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Title: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:06:06 AM
This is the new home of MIAA discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 17, 2005, 08:22:37 PM
 ;D Thanks Pat.  This may take awhile to get used to the new format, although I'm sure eventually everyone will get the "hang of it".

Not much to report as yet.  Albion started practice last week as they have a game on Labor Day weekend as you know.  Hope reported today; I'm sure some of our fellow MIAA posters will give us the news on the other teams.  I'll probably have some comments on Hope later next week when I've had a chance to see some prelims at practice.  In the meantime, best to you and all our fellow posters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 18, 2005, 10:11:01 AM
I read on another discussion board (mlive) that someone was reporting that Olivet had 60 freshman show up for football.  How does that number relate to the other schools?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on August 23, 2005, 01:58:21 PM
formerd3db:

Things are awfully quiet, especially with Albion opening up Labor Day week-end.  What's going on in the MIAA?  The L'il Giants open again against K-College, this year in Crawfordsville.  What do you think their coaching change will do for them?  Always enjoy your insights...good luck to the Hope program in '05. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2005, 05:07:24 PM
BashDad:
Good to hear from you and thanks for the kind comments.  Likewise, I enjoy your take on the various aspects.  Yes, I was thinking the same thing about it being quiet ???, although I'm sure the posting activity will increase soon.

Hope's final annual pre-first game scrimmage is not until next weekend Sept 3rd so I'll be able to tell you better then (they still only do an intrasquad one unlike some of the other schools that do the inter-collegiate scrimmages).  Albion has a ton of people out too (just like Hope); they are expecting big things (so is Adrian).  It will be interesting to see how they do against Butler.  As you know, Butler has not been that good as a IAA non-scholarship team of recent years, although I suspect they may be better this year.  Realistically, if they played like some of the better IAA non-sch teams, they should beat Albion handily.

K-zoo's new coach, from what I have heard (from a prof there), is well-liked and they have an optimistic attitude.  After the down year last season, however, it may be hard for them to turn it around that much.  I suspect that your LG's will not have any problem against the Hornets, especially since it is down at your place.  Nonetheless, it should be a great atmosphere down there for the opening game - always great to have a beautiful sunny Sept game opener.  The other MIAA teams - your guess is as good as mine!  Olivet is a wildcard as the others have noted.

We (Hope) open at John Carroll in Cleveland on Sept. 10.  Good luck to your Wabash and we'll keep in touch on the boards.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: zoofan on August 26, 2005, 09:26:28 PM
I don't have a good feeling about the new HC at Kzoo.  He seems to be saying all the right things, but I don't know if he has a grasp on what it takes 1. Being a HC and 2. Being in Kalamazoo "system" of academics.  Who knows, but I'm not sure a powerlifter is the answer there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 28, 2005, 07:45:20 PM
zoofan:
Obviously, everyone has an initial impression which is natural and, of course, a right to one's opinion.  However, I might suggest, if I may, that it is way too early to make a judgement on what you comment on.  Give the man a chance :)!  This is his first head coaching position and everyone has to start somewhere.  I can't imagine that the K administration would be duped into picking someone who might just say the right things at the interviews, not impossible, but I would be quite surprised.  Anyway, after the first season, I would think that a better assessment could then be made.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: msmith0076 on August 31, 2005, 11:32:10 AM
I'm reading all of this and see no mention of Alma...aren't they the preseason favorite.  As an Alma grad with a brother that played at Adrian and another brother that plays at Albion I will go ahead and say Scots again.
Albion will drop one to either Olivet or Adrian, as they have consistently been doing in recent years.  K again is not a conteneder.  Olivet will lose a couple that they probably shouldn't.  Adrian will lose to K and Alma down the stretch.  And Hope goes down to Albion.  Nov. 5 will decide the conference and playoffs (Alma v Albion)  WLU and TriState are not to be considereed in legitimate championship selection.
GO SCOTS
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on August 31, 2005, 11:34:28 AM
Hornets

Just learned that the K-zoo cancelled its scrimmage with St. Frances.  What gives?

My info on the 2005 Hornets is as follows:  60 on team of which 26 are Frosh .  14 returners are labeled as starters.  3 QBs in competition for start ... lead goes to last year's QB.  Coach claims a running "West Coast Offense" (? what is that?).  Little info beyond that.

The game against the Little Giants is at our house.  Not a good place to visit.  I suspect it will be feeding time at the Zoo.  However, you guys are always good people to visit and play against.  If any of you plan to come down for the game ... Wabash has a "Community Day" that day ... which has as one of the events (in addition to no cost to attend the gamer) a pic nic on the center quad ... which is open to all at no charge.  You should plan to come take advantage of that.  I am sure 'Bash would be pleased to have you all partake ... we do plan to beat you but you are good people and welcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on August 31, 2005, 03:40:05 PM
wabco:

Kzoo seems under the gun. Still, hopefully, Wabash will remember that a "cooped-up" and desperate animal can be dangerous.  K-College will leave it on the field.  We will need to be ready for them under a new coach, particularly with no film to show what they are now.  Creighton will have the L'il Giants ready.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 31, 2005, 09:59:11 PM
Obviously, anything can happen.  However, I have a slightly different prediction.  Hope always has a difficult time down at Albion, however, it will not be impossible for them to win down there.  They almost did two years ago, except for that missed offensive interference call in the endzone (although Hope did not deserve to win that game after blowing the huge lead).  Secondly, Alma plays @ Hope and it will be difficult for them to win there.  Olivet will be a spoiler and Adrian, while they should be good can be kind of a wildcard at times.  They have to play @ Hope also.

Basically, I think we'll see who is going to be the big powers in the very early part of the season.  I would not be surprised to see the championship go down to the last game of the season like it did last year rather than on Nov 5th as you predict.  We shall see! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: zoofan on September 02, 2005, 08:07:50 PM

Kalamazoo will finish last again in the MIAA and probably will lose to Kenyon (usually their confidence booster going into the MIAA play).  formerd3db, it is not too early for my assumption...wabash will have their starters out of the game very early.  I will be very surprised if the hornets win a game this year.  Ever since Tim Rogers left, the program is slipping back to the pre-Rogers era...Terrance Brooks is a far cry from the answer.  Brooks' 2-a-days are running the players into the ground...about 1/5 of their team is injured, that's why there is no scrimmage at st. francis.  hopefully they won't have to forfeit any games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 03, 2005, 07:19:56 PM
zoofan:
Fair enough.  You are closer to the situation than I.  However, my point simply is that it is unfair to start trashing the new head coach as yet.  He (as any head coach) is entitled to establish the program schedule as he sees fit.  Injuries are obviously a part of the game; sometimes it is just pure unluckiness.  Hope has had a lot of injuries too.  I think Kazoo will win at least one or two games.  The MIAA is a strange conference at times and surprises do happen just when we think they may not.  Kazoo may indeed finish last in the league, but time will tell.  The Kazoo/Wabash game is not debateable - Wabash should win easily.  I will be surprised if they lose to Kenyon.  Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2005, 01:02:25 AM
While watching the Auburn-Ga Tech game tonight, it was fun to watch the Albion score crawl across the base of the screen! ;D

Congratulations to Albion for sending all those D1 fans to Google to find out who in the heck is Albion! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 05, 2005, 12:32:57 AM
Was good to see that Albion beat Butler. (bet those that googled Albion are now asking where the heck is Mich ???) Was unfortunate that WLC did not get past Valpo. When will the rest of the MIAA jump on the DI wagon and get their schools names scrolled along the botom of ESPN?

I see Taz Wallace earned D player of the week with a TD return in a blowout.

Not saying he doesn't deserve his award (maybe I am or am biased)  :-\ but at WLC Lepke (LB) had a heck of a game vs Valpo (13 tackes 2 for 8 yards loss)as did Seiler (DL) (6 tackes, forced and recovered a fumble) Lots of work from those two in a close game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 05, 2005, 12:55:13 AM
It's tough being an associate member sometimes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 06, 2005, 08:51:16 AM
Not only an associate but a lame duck member as well!  :( 2007 is our move away from the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on September 08, 2005, 10:45:43 AM
formerd3db:

Good luck to Hope this Saturday at JCU (hope you knock them off!), and to the rest of the MIAA in week #2 (except Kzoo, of course).  Adrian had a fine opening effort; they should continue to cruise this weekend against Defiance.  Nice win, too, for Albion.  Results in week #2 should show a lot.

Still confused by the lack of "talk" on the MIAA thread.  Not sure whether the silence is sandbagging, or burying heads in the sand.  We look forward to getting our season open Saturday against K-college in Crawfordsville.

Regards.   



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 08, 2005, 10:46:34 AM
I'm starting to get a little worried - this lack of posting is like the calm before the storm.  Bring on the weekend!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2005, 06:16:04 PM
Thanks BashDad.  Good luck to Wabash on Sat also even though it is against one of ours! :o  Hopefully it will be a great sunny Sept Sat for a college game.

To our fellow MIAA posters:  Yes, I think our board has been the most quiet  ???  Not sure why.  Anyway, good luck to all the teams this weekend.  It will be a tough challenge for Hope to win at JCU i.e away.  After last Saturday's scrimmage, I think the offense will do fine; defense will be the question.  The latter will have to step it up somewhat.  Also, the special teams and kicking game will need to be on - that could be the deciding factor.  Those aspects were not sharp last Sat, but then again, it was just a scrimmage.  Everyone check in on Sun or Mon :-X 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 09, 2005, 09:25:37 AM
I have only been reading the posts for the past four years but it seems the MIAA has alwyas been behind in postings. You would think, since the MIAA is the oldest conference in the world,  8) we would have the most posts. 'Course then again maybe all the posters have gone on to the gridiron in the sky. ;D

Good luck to all this weekend. Lets get up for the games and have a MIAA sweep of the competition. We have Rockford and dedicate the new field this weekend, should be a good time. The fun begins at 1PM, or 2PM depending where you are.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 09, 2005, 12:17:50 PM
Hey K-zooers

If you are planning on attending the game against Wabash at C-ville you need to know that "Indiana time" is one hour behind "Michigan time" ... nice going down buyt not as much fun coming home.  Additionally, the first home game ... which this is at Wabash ... is always "Community Day" wherein there is a pic nic on the main quad.  It is open to whomever wishes to come (hence the word "Community") and you are Community.  It starts at 11 AM "Indiana time".  You are more than welcome to come and sit on the grass or bring a lawn chair and partake of the eats and community.  We will get a little more contentious at game time as we very much wish to win ... but not before.  So join us.  AND hopefully we will also see an injury free and fun football game.  I heard the weather will be very warm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlbionCollegeBrits on September 10, 2005, 02:30:43 AM
Hey how are you all doing?  I am new to this forum.  I used to post a long time ago, but just thought why not get back into it, and give some intellectual conversation on the topic of the MIAA.  One week of football in the books, and another week coming up.  As it is quite obvious I am a big fan and supporter of the Albion College Britons.  Currently I am a 5th year Senior.  I try to make it to most of the games.  This week we have a bye week, but Sept 17. is our home opener against University of Wisconsin-Osh Kosh.  I am getting pumped up for the game, yet at the same time kind of nervous.  Last year I drove to Osh Kosh when Albion played in one of the most lopsided games of the season, coming away with a 40-0 loss which was full of numerous turnovers.  This year, we at Albion feel this is the year for us to win the MIAA!  Last year Albion didnt make the plays necessary in a 58-35 embarrassing loss at home to the Olivet College Comets (first loss since 1975 to Olivet if I might add).  I know that loss left a bad taste in the mouth of the players.  This year's edition of the Britons will be a force to be reckoned with.  We havent been to the NCAA Playoffs in nearly 7 years, but this year see a new look upgraded Albion team.  However there is still Hope Flying Dutchmen, Adrian Bulldogs, and the Alma Scots in the way of the title.

      Good Luck to all MIAA teams this week, especially Hope, they will need it against John Carroll!         
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Toph on September 10, 2005, 06:28:10 PM
QuoteGood Luck to all MIAA teams this week, especially Hope, they will need it against John Carroll!

Truer words were never spoken.  38-13, Carroll rolls.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2005, 06:57:44 PM
About what I figured for this weekend's games.  Ouch for Hope :(, defense needs much work it appears as I mentioned; offense did worse than I would have thought with six interceptions.  Obviously JCU is much improved from last year.  Congrats to them, but Hope has work to do to improve.  Not impossible, though.

As for Kzoo, also as most predicted.  Congrats to Wabash.  Hopefully, despite the loss, the Kzoo fans enjoyed the Community Day and fantastic weather for tailgaiting.

Alma wins against Aurora, but as expected also.  As most of you have said, as the teams start to engage more stronger opponents in the next 3 weeks, including our own conference foes, it will provide a better picture as to who really has the "big" talent - Albion, Adrian, Alma possibly Hope.  (cont'd) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2005, 07:08:35 PM
(cont'd)
Wis Luth loses to a young, but improved D-IAA Valpo.  Score closer than one would think which suggest WCL might be a spoiler this year.

Adrian - as expected in a blowout of Defiance.  2 wins against weak teams, but they are still wins and confidence and experience builders. 

Olivet - gets spanked and repaid by Franklin for last year's win in a shootout.  It is very early, yet as some of our Olivet posters mentioned, it appears Olivet will be somewhat weaker than last, especially with all the changes in staff and young players.  However, they can still be a spoiler. 

Obviously, my comments are just based on scores and the brief write-ups in the paper on the games since I did not see these.  Nonetheless, with great September weather, regardless if our teams lose or win, it is great that college season is here.  Good luck to all the teams next weekend.  I HOPE that we can rebound against DePauw in the home opener and Community Day ;D  This should be an interesting game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlbionCollegeBrits on September 11, 2005, 09:32:38 PM
I am new to posting to this forum.  I am not sure if you really do Pick em's for each week's games, but as a newbie, let me give you my picks for Week #3.

Wisconsin OshKosh @ Albion   Tabbed as "Redemption Saturday Albion charges to victory!
Wittenberg @ Alma  Alma with the win going away, as Wittenberg falls to 0-3
Depauw @ Hope  Hope blows out Depauw
Kalamazoo @ Mt. St. Joseph  Kalamazoo gets destroyed, and falls to 0-2 on the young season
Olivet @ Ohio Wesleyan  Olivet evens their record at 1-1
McMurray @ Tri-State   McMurray with the win
Wisconsin Lutheran at Concordia (WI)  Wisconsin Lutheran gets first win of the year, improves record to (1-2)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on September 11, 2005, 11:19:50 PM
You know Hope has the entire Wabash community behind it on Saturday!!! :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2005, 10:58:16 AM
Thanks wabashcpa.  We HOPE to do our best and tame the Tigers! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Toph on September 12, 2005, 11:55:14 AM
formerd3db-
I thought you might be able to help me out with this.  Is Schwander that prone to throwing INT's?  I saw that his career ratio isn't that great, but 5 int's in one half is pretty out of control.  I'll assume you didn't make it to the game, so I'll do my best to describe what happened on most of his picks.  Most of the time he was flushed from the pocket, rolling to one side of the field, and throwing it up for grabs.  On several occasions he was throwing into double or triple coverage, and once, it looked as though he threw it right to a JCU defender.  Wha, what happened?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2005, 07:15:38 PM
Toph:
Good to hear from you.  You are correct, I was supposed to be @ the game, but unfortunately didn't make it (guess I'm glad I didn't :-[!).  Schwander was a starter at  QB as a freshman at Tri State University, but transferred to Hope due to curriculum choice.  He has been the starter since.  He also has a very strong arm but as you point out, has a tendency to get flushed/careless when chased out of the pocket (which unfortunately happened a lot last year and appears so far this year) and had INT's like that last year, although certainly not that many in one game.  This is obviously somewhat surprising for a Sr. QB.  As the latter, he needs to make more calculated and patient choices, wait and try to get the ball to an open receiver when scrambling, even if it means taking a shorter gain, rather than throwing it away (depending on the situation of course ;)) or risking the INT at an inopportune time.  As you saw, we have good receivers (as usual), but if the QB play doesn't improve in that regard, we could be in for trouble and a long season.

However, I do not want to "rush to judgement"; after all, it was only our first game of the season.  He could do just the opposite next game - he has that talent and potential.  Anyway, thanks for the input and good luck to your team for the remainder of the season (unless we get the "unlikely" chance to meet again in the playoffs ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on September 12, 2005, 08:28:02 PM
How bout them Dawgs.  Adrian competition hasn't been stiff but good work getting ready for the long stretch.  MIAA will come down to Alma and Adrian game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 13, 2005, 12:50:44 PM
Hope:  Here is hoping that you are far enough ahead this coming weekend to take out your starters ... but then elect not to do so and instead run up the score.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 13, 2005, 05:21:04 PM
Clog the Tigers!  Go Hope! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on September 15, 2005, 12:37:42 PM
Olivet Coaching Staff Attention:

WHAT ARE YOU DOING??????????????????

The wing-t was the diamond in the rough, and got you back to winning-and you scrap it!?

This offense no is pathic. You are getting by with athletes alone-if getting by means losing to a team you beat by 20 last year.

Dominic do everyone a favor and resign-your d sucks and you have killed a great offense.

Here is to a long year Comets.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 15, 2005, 05:06:27 PM
The result at Alma last Saturday was as expected, but the offense staying so much on the ground was not.  Is Alma more of a running team this year?  Will Wittenberg start 0-3?  We'll see Saturday. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 15, 2005, 06:20:12 PM
rome:
Nothing personal against Livedotti, but I have to agree with you about his junking the Wing-T, even though many others disagree with you and I about the validity of that type of offense.  While Olivet won't win the MIAA this year, I still think they will be the spoiler this year.

miaafan:
Althought it appears that Wittenburg is having a "very" down year, I doubt that they will be a patsy for Alma this Sat.  Despite playing an away game, I sense that Witt will be an extremely tough opponent for Alma, and if the latter is not at the top of their game Sat, it could be a disaster.

Hope vs. DePauw will be a very competitive game I believe as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on September 15, 2005, 06:52:36 PM
formerd3db:

"Competitive" is all right--but Hope will thump them, right?
All the Wabash folks are in your camp this week, with "Hope." ::)

Have a great game, I'm hoping (that word!!) that the Dutchmen will solve some of their problems this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2005, 08:33:28 AM
Bashdad:
Thanks.  I would (Hope, - yes that word! ;)) that being a home game would be the advantage for us today.  However, even though DePauw has been down somewhat the last 3-4 years, they are always tough against Hope.  Last time at our place, it was no easy win for us.  As you mention though, we need to iron out the glitches from last week.  A good solid win for us would obviously be a big boost at this point.

Good luck to Wabash against Wash U.  today.  Their stadium is a neat place to play in with historic tradition.  I would think that your 'Lil Giants will not have too much of a problem with Wash U. this year.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2005, 08:01:29 PM
Surprise loss for Albion today although Wis-Osh not that bad a team.  Hope debacle again today - see my comments on the NCAC board.  Alma gets past Witt which suggests they are pretty good, although since Witt is having a very down year this year, so it is hard to judge Alma at this point - and they play at DII Tiffin next week.  Kazoo, Wis Luth and Olivet all lose today, the latter to Ohio Wesleyan.   I don't want to sound negative, however, I sense a mediocre year for the MIAA overall this year. :P  However, the season is only 3 weeks old.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2005, 09:56:14 PM
Of other "banter":
It appears that Livedotti has junked more than just the Wing-T at Olivet.  Apparently the Michigan style winged helmets are gone also, now being replaced with red helmets and a white "O" as reported.  Too bad; I liked the winged ones :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 17, 2005, 10:48:52 PM
Was surprised to watch us get beat so bad by Concordia-Wi today. #1 for C does it all!! Our Soph QB is coming into his own. Too bad he did not play more last year. Good D by C, held Kiel to very few yards. Good day on D for WLC's Lepke and Seiler. Could have swore I saw Seiler knock down a pass and get a sack but stats are not recorded by me. Was very disappointed with the officials. One couldn't run/walk and another seemed to have left his flag at home. (not why we lost) Got next week off them homecoming with TriState. Time to turn it around and start the real season with a W.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 17, 2005, 10:51:57 PM
It was a great game at Alma today.  Yes, Witt is having a down year, but they really are much better than their 0-3 record would indicate.  They are a dangerous team, and next week I'm sure they'll get a win. 

Last week it was hard to tell just how good Alma is.  Today was a more characteristic Scot Gun offensive showing.  The defense did show some weak spots, but hopefully they'll be able to tweak things.  D-II Tiffin will be a major test next week.

Alma and Adrian are the only two unbeatens at this point.  Maybe the championship will hinge on that matchup.  Is Adrian for real?  It's hard to tell yet with their schedule so far.

I hate to say it, but the MIAA is looking at a down year.  5-12 at this point with FIVE winless teams says it all.

Good luck to everybody next week.  Let's get some more numbers in the W column!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on September 18, 2005, 04:22:58 PM
d3db

the helments are gone too, now I'm really fargon angry.

This is fargon war!

Death to Dominic.

Long live Irv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2005, 04:55:07 PM
wlcalum:  Good comments.  At times like this, one has to concentrate on the positive aspects that have been shown.  In [re] building a program, it takes time and we have to go through these "growing" stages.  One progress aspect at a time!

miaafan:  I have to agree with you - doesn't look good overall for the league this year.  Yes, good luck to all the teams this weekend.

rome:  Well, friend, I wouldn't go that far! ::)  However, I don't like the changes either.  But then, Olivet has always had a history of short term changes in its storied football history of the program.  It still is early and I think they'll have to go through a [re] building year or two. :P  Remember that as good as Irv did with the program, his middle year there was not great.  So we'll just have to allow this year to give Livedotti and his young team a chance at growing and  see what happens after next year (same goes for Kazoo).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 19, 2005, 12:23:46 PM
former 3D ... what happened?  DePauw decent or Hope stinky?

I did not care for Coach K's comments in GR Press ... appeared (at least to me) to denigrate his team.  That certainly does not help with team focus and also recruiting.  Question being danced around:  is it time to find a "Smith II"?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2005, 02:49:54 PM
wabco:
Both.  DePauw is much better than some people would believe (not a power, but decent like you mention).  Bigger than I thought and good speed, good QB.  Had Hope scored in the first quarter when they were down on goal and/or near it twice, the game may have had a different tone.  Hope has had poor offensive blocking and QB play (this week, the latter was harassed and chased out of the pocket again on almost every passing play due to the poor blocking).  Defense is not strong, they were on the field a lot and tired greatly because of it.  Running back and receivers good.  Kicking game (FG's) is terrible which is a disappointment since we have a great, veteran Sr. kicker with a long range - however, it has not been his fault as the special teams blocking is non-existant as kicks have been blocked right up the middle.

I haven't seen Coach K's comments in the GR Press so will refrain from that, other than to say that after the game, he just challenged the team for someone to step up and take a leadership role as the attitude seems to be a bit lackadaisical (sp? ??? :)).  Although the latter might be slightly understandable after being blown out in two games.  Still, no excuses for if something doesn't change, it could be a long season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 19, 2005, 03:49:29 PM
miaafbfan--

Actually, Witt is off this week so at least they won't lose.  Although I am pretty sure that they'll find a way to give up 500 yards and 35 points. 

Witt's next game is against Denison...heaven help the Tigers if they lose that one. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 19, 2005, 11:27:05 PM
formerd3db,
Posted this over on CCIW board, but it is now several pages back and probably missed...

So what's up with Hope?  Recently Wheaton vs. Hope has been a barn burner of a game (not saying it can't or won't be this year). 

Where is Hope having problems?  Seems like they are turning the ball over WAY too many times - 6 turnovers in first half against John Carroll?  Seems like the offensive that has been so potent recently is spuddering a bit?  Are there injury issues?

My "hope" is that Hope doesn't suddenly figure everything out at least until Oct. 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blue_balls on September 19, 2005, 11:47:33 PM
MIAA people.....
Tell me about Albion....How does Millikin stack up with them?  I know last year they played a pretty tough game with Albion getting the win up in Michigan...Should be a good game I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2005, 12:41:55 AM
As a die-hard Titan, but a Michigander for the last 35 years, I'll give you a FIRST assessment, since no one else has yet jumped in.

I know essentially nothing about either team in terms of specifics, but from what I've read on the various boards (and seen in the results), if the game were in Michigan, I'd (fairly) confidently pick Albion.  Since it is in Decatur, I'll (nervously) pick the Blue.

Oddly enough, I don't even have waves of nausea when supporting Millikin - I MUST be getting old and mellow!  :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlbionCollegeBrits on September 20, 2005, 03:29:20 AM
Quote from: blue_balls on September 19, 2005, 11:47:33 PM
MIAA people.....
Tell me about Albion....How does Millikin stack up with them?  I know last year they played a pretty tough game with Albion getting the win up in Michigan...Should be a good game I'd imagine.


They didnt beat Albion last year, actually Albion beat Millikin I believe like 31-26 or something like that.  I was at the game.  I dont know which game you were watching lol.......but anyway......its gonna be a tough game for Albion at Decatur, we'll just see what happens when Saturday rolls around.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2005, 03:35:31 AM
That's what he said, with Albion getting the win up in Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2005, 04:53:54 PM
Mugsy:  See my reply a couple posts above you on the MIAA board and I posted the same comments on the NCAC board as I recall in reply to another poster (I'm short on time right now, so can't check those, but you can scroll back on those).  Thanks for your comments.  Good luck to your team, except against us! :)

I think that Albion will have a tough time at Decatur this weekend.  The Big Blue is a better team this year than last from what I've heard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 20, 2005, 05:04:16 PM
formerd3db,
Ah yes... sorry I didn't see them.  I just kinda cut & pasted my CCIW post here without perusing the MIAA board enough.  Thanks for your insights.

I should be at the game on Saturday.  If so, I'll do my best to post objective comments on the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 21, 2005, 10:28:14 AM
Mugsy:
It would be great to meet you at the game Sat, however, I have a previous longtime other commitment that prevents me from going to the game.  Anyway, HOPE you enjoy the day! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blue_balls on September 21, 2005, 11:24:40 AM
Thamks fellas for helping the lad from Albion with his reading assignment ..hahaha GO BIG BLUE
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on September 21, 2005, 07:48:19 PM
Dominic!!!!

You Suck..You Jack Arse.

You have taken the winning lottery ticket- errr a great offense and fantastic coaches and run them both out of town.

Dominic!!!

You are worthless and weak...
now drop your HC title and give me twenty!!!


I can picture it now...
"you say, 401 on the ground a game and 40 + points...nah, I have a better idea..."

booo Dominic...boo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 21, 2005, 08:39:56 PM
Yeah, what are they thinking at Olivet?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on September 23, 2005, 12:10:24 PM
formerd3db:

Best of luck to the Flying Dutchmen at Wheaton this weekend.  Based on my visit there for the Wabash scrimmage, and on where the Hope team is hurting right now, it would appear that you will have your hands full.
Still, it happens on the field.  I hope for safe, injury-free play for both teams in what I know will be a hard fought game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blue_balls on September 24, 2005, 06:21:03 PM
http://www.millikin.edu/athletics/headlines.asp?ID=19086

Wrap up on Big Blue vs. Albion....Nathan Wallick another solid effort for the Big Blue.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 25, 2005, 11:14:44 AM
formerd3db,
As in the 2 previous games this year for the Dutchmen, much the same on Saturday at Wheaton.  QB was running for his life all game - sacked 7 times, hurried virtually every passing attempt.  Resulted in very low completion percentage, which seems to be consistent with their other games.  Hard to mount the same passing attack that Hope has had in recent years when you can't protect the QB.

Wheaton offense was able to mount a very balanced attack - virtually same yardage on ground and through the air, which seemed to have Hope off balance throughout the game.

Credit the Hope team in that they played hard the entire game.  They didn't fold when the score reached 41-7 mid-3rd quarter.  It might be a tough year for Hope, but they'll be back.  Best of luck to the Dutchmen on the rest of the season.

Look forward to the Wheaon/Hope game next year... and thru at least 2009.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 26, 2005, 02:11:11 PM
The warm ups are over and now we begin conference play.

Adrian heads for Albion - Can Adrian stay undefeated? I think so.
Olivet travels to Alma - Alma pick to finish as MIAA champs, they win this game.
Kalamazoo plays at Hope - Will Kazoos D put the hurts on Hope?  Nope.
Tri State traverses to Wisconsin Lutheran - Rested and recovered, WLC. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 26, 2005, 03:21:01 PM
Mugsy and Bashdad:  See my reply posts to you on your respective boards.

wlcalum:  I think you are right. 

General comments:
Albion loses a close one; the Adrian/Albion game will give a good indication as to which team is really the better and front runner.  As for Alma, either they are not as good as some think (although I am not saying they are not a good team) or DII Tiffin is a much better team than they were last year....hummmmm ???  Alma should win, but can't take Olivet lightly - stranger things have happened.  The other schools are in for a long season I think.  Hope should beat Kazoo at home.  Tri-State? What's going on there??? WCL could be a spoiler.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 26, 2005, 05:13:39 PM
I agree on the picks posted here so far.

Adrian/Albion is probably the game to watch.

Alma should have no problem with Olivet.  Recall that D-II Tiffin also rolled over Alma last year, and then the Scots ran the table in the MIAA.  They could do the same this year.  The league as a whole is weaker this year than last, IMO.  Albion and Hope are down, and Adrian is more of an unknown because of their patsy non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on September 29, 2005, 04:13:43 PM
formerd3db:

Thanks for your note on the NCAC board--we will have our hands full at OWU.  Best of luck to Hope this weekend.  I, too, expect to see Saturday evening that the Dutchmen got their win.  Haven't really looked closely at K-zoo's last game against Kenyon--although I was surprised, I thought Kenyon would take them.  K-zoo has some good athletes, but we didn't see much from them in Crawfordsville to start the season.

Hope it's a well-played and safe game for all!

Wabash Always Fights!!

     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 02, 2005, 09:28:27 AM
As expected, MIAA will come down to Adrian vs Alma.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 02, 2005, 12:00:59 PM
Indeed.  No big surprises yesterday.

Adrian/Albion must have been a good game to watch.  The question is still how far down is Albion this year and how good is Adrian?  Does anybody who was there care to comment?

Alma/Olivet was as expected in the end, although it was much closer during the frst quarter and a half.  Alma has some work to do on defense and special teams.  Penalties were also a concern, as they have been in recent years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Zap on October 02, 2005, 05:24:37 PM
Adrian Vs. Albion

Both teams looked good, Taz Wallace had an unbelievable Game, and it looked like they were throwing away from Dan Mckeown. I thought Albion looked like a solid team but just not as good as Adrian. I think that Albion seemed to get a little ahead of themselves, Adrian made some mistakes in the first half and I think Albion thought they were out of the woods. 4 wins in four years, Adrian over Albion. Looks like, Adrians got their number.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2005, 09:27:06 PM
Adrian's last three games of their schedule are highly probable wins and as such, Adrian/Alma will indeed be the big game.  However, that game is not a guarantee that will give them the title.  Most likely it will, however, it is still early, they just got by Albion, and they have to play Hope and Olivet.  Stranger things have happened in this league with games like that (recall Alma being creamed by Olivet in 1999 when they had were beating everyone else).  Hope and/or Olivet are not "gime" wins. :) 

A good win for Hope yesterday.   Beautiful day for football everywhere in our region.  Hope's game attendance was down, which was disappointing on such a beautiful day, but that's expected since they hadn't been winning.  Disappointing fan following for Kazoo, though as perhaps 100 or so and mostly parents/family.  I thought perhaps they would have a new era in following after they had that 4100 game attendance two years ago at Homecoming against Hope and had been doing better, but then again, when you have the record they have had last year and so far this year, it is not surprising and certainly understandable.

As far as the game perspective, Kazoo gave a good fight but Hope just wore them down.  I was surprised that they were not as big in size as in recent years, but then neither is Hope this year.  Kazoo had two good QB's and their punter is fantastic - latter had perfect spirals and long punts even against the wind.   Hope's kicker Barnett back on track with a 41 yard field goal.  Hope's RB Booko had 202 yards rushing and 4 TD's, although he did not appear to be running with the "terror and steamroller" style he did last year until toward the latter part of the game.

Still some interesting games left in the league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 02, 2005, 09:43:52 PM
Thanks for the info.  Adrian/Alma will be important next week, but it's still early.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 03, 2005, 09:30:55 AM
Adrian/Albion - proves how important special teams can be. What a game I bet that was to watch. The fans got their moneys worth! Heart attack city.

Week two sees Adrian in another fight as they host Alma. Alma is picked to win the MIAA but I will give this win to the home team. Adrian in another close game.
Albion goes to Tri State for Tri States HC. Albion spoiles the day.
Hope goes to Olivet for their HC. I want to say Hope takes it but think Olivet wins on the home field.
WLC runs to Kalamazoo for HC. Two fan busses making the trip. WLC won't let that many fans down.

Some very interesting games this week. The best team in the MIAA won't be settled this week but the middle of the pack and spoilers will be known.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on October 03, 2005, 11:21:52 AM
How bad are the comets???????

Little d you need to abondon ship while there still is talent at Olivet.

You gave up over 600 yards????you kidding me?

This is awful.

Please-someone send for Irv!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2005, 11:58:21 AM
rome:
Friend, I know you are extremely disappointed :(.  But please, you have to keep a positive outlook! ;)  Olivet did give Alma a run at least for one half.  You also have to keep in mind that Alma always gets a ton of yardage because of the type of offense they run.  Like I said in the above post - Olivet completely shut Alma down back in 1999 when the latter was on a steamroller against everyone else - I mean completely for those of you who were there can attest to that.  Again, stranger things have happened.  Keep the faith, man; I'm doing the same for Hope :)

wlcalum:
Good comments.  It will be an interesting weekend.  Despite what I said to Rome above, I have to go against your prediction and say that we'll (Hope) prevail at Olivet this Sat. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: msmith0076 on October 03, 2005, 01:40:10 PM
formerd3db:  I am an Alm,a grad and played on the '99 team...we beat Olivet at Olivet and went 8-1 that year.  The team that crushed us was Hope, which beat Alma 62-7 at Hope.  We went on to split the conference 3 ways with Hope and Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 03, 2005, 02:42:32 PM
formerd3db
Figured you for a hommer.   ;)
I really do want to pick Hope but the homefield advantage may be too much to overcome?!

Congrats to Seiler for d player of the week. See, WLC players do get noticed.  :)

By the way - when did Rugenstein transfer from Hope to WLC?   ??? I see he transfered and recieved HM for d player of the week.  See what a good christian education will get you.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2005, 03:41:14 PM
wlcalum:
Well, someone has to do it! ::)  Anyway, yes homefield advantage is usually the difference, but as you know, "...on any given Saturday...". 

Congrats to Seiler on the honor.  WLC will be missed when it departs for the new Wisconsin league after 2007, however, it is certainly an understandable move for them in many aspects, not to mention more regionally based rivalries.

As far as Rugenstein, must be a different person (maybe a relation, I'm not sure).   Matt Rugenstein was a freshman on last year's Hope roster; obviously a soph now and starting DE for us at first home game against DePaul, played last Sat against Kazoo.  I do not know the particulars, don't know all the players yet, but can find out for you if there is any relation.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2005, 03:49:42 PM
msmith:
My bad, I stand corrected! :-[  Indeed it was Hope that crushed Alma that year - I should have known that (because I was there at the game!!), but in my haste to post a reply and in talking about Olivet/Alma, I had Alma on my mind:D (should have have Hope on my mind!).  See what getting old does to your mind ???.  Anyway, thanks for the correction so I didn't mislead anyone.  On the other hand, my point of the post still applies ;) where the underdog pulls the upset - anything can happen, which seems to be common in the MIAA in recent years, especially with the last year and this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 03, 2005, 04:27:18 PM
Undestatement of the year. Seems upsets have become the norm - which in my book is a good thing. Never overlook.

By the way we have no Rugenstein on our roster just poking a little fun at the typo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2005, 04:33:48 PM
wlcalum:
Hilarious.  You almost had me going there for a minute :)  I'm glad most of us around here have a good sense of humor! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bizrizzo on October 04, 2005, 11:46:28 AM
hey, just another wlc alum here, except a former football player as well.  great to see the boys get a 'w' finally, and my man sellers (seiler) get some recog. in the process.

looking around the MIAA, i didn't think that kzoo was hurting that bad to only gain 4 yards on the ground and only 115 overall. wow, i knew they were struggling but not to that extent.

also, how does olivet not even have 1-100 yard rusher?alma's def. must be tough as nails to only give up 190 net rushing yards. that, and alma racked up over 300 yards on the ground, and lambourn having 168 yards on 9 carries and 2 td's is quite impressive.

one more note, i was wondering who made the decisions for players of the week.  follow up question, has there ever been co-players of the week? here is my reasoning:

OFF:  Kehl, WLC--217 yards, 25 rushes, 2td
                            68 yards, 4 receptions, 1td
         Brehm, Alma--43-27-0   311 yards, 4td
DEF:  Lewis, Adrian--6 solo, 1 assist, 3 tackle for loss, 2 of
                                 which were sacks, 1 forced fumble

let me know if any of y'all can help me out, thanks, tha biz
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2005, 05:29:30 PM
biz:
Players of the week are nominated by the assistant coaches.  There are two designated coaches (each from a different team) who are the coordinators of that, to tally the votes (at least that has been how it was done in the recent past - it might possibly be different this year - I am not sure).

I don't recall that there have been co-players of the week in the past, however, you could possibly check on that in the archives of the MIAA website.  BTW, congrats on WLC's win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 05, 2005, 08:39:30 AM
Do you guys not look at the MIAA website?  :o Week four had co-defensive players of the week. My bet is there could be co-players every week if one had time to really look over the stats of each game.

The problem with that is, and what I have seen, sometimes the stats are not up to snuff. I know in early years I traveled to watch a great game only to read the stats to find a certain player(s) did not even play in the game! 'Course the only stat that is important is the final score and an empty injury report.

Welcome to the board biz. Good to have a former players view of WLC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 05, 2005, 06:27:23 PM
wlcalum:
Obviously, I did not look at the MIAA website at the recent player-of-the-week selections! :o  Should have, but didn't take the time to check on that.  Anyway,  indeed thanks for the follow-up.

BTW, how's the home attendance been at WLC games this year?  I hope satisfactory and that the student-body supports them, of course, in perspective as to the school enrollement in the 600's.  Good luck this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 06, 2005, 08:46:18 AM
fd3db
Thanks for the good luck - right back at ya - even though I picked against ya.  :)

Home attendance has been amazing this year. The stands have been full both at home and away - if you call Concordia an away game. I would guess there have been close to 2000 people at each game which is a heck of an improvement from a couple years ago when we were lucky to get 100 - and that was all parents! I think the Warrier Underground (student support group) has really stepped it up this year. More promotions, giving away shirts, sodas, stuff like that. Two fan busses going to Kalamazoo says it all. Pretty good for a program with it's feet still wet. Takes a lot of dedication from a lot of people to keep the energy going during these beginning times. I see a lot of alumni (graduated players) coming to the games now.  Those kids took the hard knocks - glad to see they come back to support the success we are having. See ya in two weeks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2005, 03:25:18 PM
wlcalum:
You're welcome.  Also, the support you describe is fantastic.  You are right that it takes a tremendous amount of effort and dedication by all those people.  Sounds like your school has a solid foundation now.  Anyway, yes, see you in a couple of weeks; obviously, the league situation will probably be sorted out even more by then.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 06, 2005, 10:53:48 PM
Will be at Maple Stadium this weekend for Adrian vs Alma.  Gotta be for the MIAA, even this early.  Will give report.  Can't wait to see which one is for real! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 07, 2005, 07:06:55 PM
I wish I could be there as well.  It's a very important game, and it may decide the conference champ, but it is still very early.  Strange things can happen at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2005, 09:47:18 PM
miaafbfan:  Ditto. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2005, 09:48:21 PM
I will go out on a limb and pick Adrian over Alma (home stadium advantage); Hope over Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 08, 2005, 04:05:48 PM
Alma pulls out a close one at Adrian, 13-10.  Sounds like both teams are for real.  I'm curious to hear other observations from the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 09, 2005, 10:07:37 AM
Interesting day yesterday around the MIAA. 

Albion must have taken all of their frustration from the Adrian loss last week out on Tri-State:  73-0 says it all.  TSU has a long way to go before being competitive in the MIAA.

Olivet shows the potential for being a spoiler again this year by defeating Hope 31-24 at OC's Homecoming.  Hope's really having a down year, as the conference is as a whole.

And Kalamazoo shows some promise as well.  They may get another win or two in the MIAA, as they manage to get by Wisconsin Lutheran 21-13.

Alma is once again in the driver's seat, but it is still early in the season.  A lot can happen in 5 more weeks.  It's quite possible the MIAA champ will come down to a tiebreaker among teams with a conference loss.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 09, 2005, 10:25:13 AM
Let's get some more chatter going on this board.  Looking ahead to next week:

Olivet @ Adrian:  Adrian bounces back.

Kalamazoo @ Albion:  Kazoo will have to wait for that second conference win as Albion takes this one.

Tri-State @ Alma:  The Scots maintain their lead in the conference race as Alma wins with ease.

Wisconsin Lutheran @ Hope:  It's hard to pick against Hope at home.  The Dutchmen win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 09, 2005, 06:04:10 PM
Being an old bulldog it pained my heart to see the Scots comeback and beat the Dawgs.  Adrian had a 10-0 lead at half and then the offense just stopped.  Hutchinson hurt his left shoulder right before half and that had to have been the reason for his terrible second half.  He couldn't complete a pass in the second half.  Adrian even brought in their backup for a series but all he did was hand it off and that ain't their offense.  I know I am an old Dawg (from late eighties and early nineties) but Adrian does have the better team by a slight margin.  Hats off to the Scots for getting the job done in Maple stadium.  I will tell you what it was a great game to watch, some SERIOUS hitting going on from both teams.  Many passes fell incomplete from smacks across the middle and special teams had some "decleaters" from both teams.  Great MIAA battle.  Reminds me of some of the old battles when Steve Kinney and the boys came to town against Croswaite and Roedell.  Great game but am worried about an Adrian let down next week at homecoming against the Comets. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2005, 09:52:36 PM
Well, I blew the two picks I made! Agree with the previous comments that Alma is in the drivers seat...for now ;D.  Kudos to them for winning at Maple Stadium; the past few years they have had good success against Adrian at the latter's home turf.  However, also, I agree that it isn't over yet; anyone could win it yet, but the three "A"'s have the best chance; Hope and Olivet have outside and slim chances but have to "win out the rest of the way" to have a chance.  The tie breaker provision in case of a 1st place tie could be a factor.  But alas, I am getting ahead of ourselves; next week will be a major indicator.

As for the Hope game, Olivet is a good team; much better than some have given them credit.  I said from the beginning they would be a factor.  Good running game, passing and kicking games, however, are weak, their defense okay.  Hope could have won the game, but did not deserve to; mainly because of extremely poor tackling.  Taking nothing away from Olivet's two fine running backs, on many of their long runs including the TD runs, they were stopped at the line of scrimmage and/or stopped after a few yards, only to slip through the arms/hands of Hope defensive players who were "arm tackling".  It would have been a much different game had that not occurred.  Anyway, a nice day for the game despite the overcast skies which gave way to the sun in the 4th Qtr.  A nice capacity crowd at Olivet's new stadium for their Homecoming, and for once at the latter, they finally won one!  Congrats to them;   :-[ and :( to Hope as there is a lot of work for us to do this week if we even hold onto the outside chance for the title.  Never give up, however, "until the fat lady sings" :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaalooker on October 09, 2005, 11:28:35 PM
Rough Randy snatches a moral victory out of the jaws of defeat!!

Even though the Bulldogs walked away with a loss Saturday afternoon at Maple Stadium, there was a lesson to be learned from "Rough" Randy. Not only does the man call his own plays, he actually calls the play for the defense as well. He decided in the 4th quarter with 7:00 minutes to go, to pull himself out of the game for the betterment of the team, utilizing the power I running attack which has garnered national attention. It is rumored that "Rough" Randy delieved a Panda Bear during halftime as part of his Bio. 101 requirment. On the way back out to the field he threw an old ladies walker, to her surprise "Rough" Randy had cured her of her disabilities. All in all, completing 17-42 passes for 168 yards, "Rough" Randy has proved himself not only to be an athlete but one hell of a model American. "Rough" Randy is truly a god amongst men!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 10, 2005, 03:25:50 PM
Week 3 is upon us. My predictions are one team to be 3-0, one team to be 0-3, three teams will be 2-1, three teams will be 1-2. What the heck is going on out there!!

Alma big over Tri State. Keep your chins up Tri State(miaafbfan - Tri State beat us last year what does that say for us?)

Olivet goes to Adrian for homecoming - success for Adrian

Kalamazoo heads for Albion - Albion will protect the middle passing lanes/stop two recievers - Albion wins.

WLC trots to Hope for yet another homecoming game. (how many of these things do we have to play?) Will WLC spoil Hope's HC? Are they mad enough for letting Kazoo slip by? I (HOPE) so.

Olivet vs Adrian and Kazoo vs Albion will decide if the three A's do indeed rule the roost. Three very good games between the 1-1's. A simple mistake could make the differance in all three of these game.

See ya in Holland the 15th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 10, 2005, 05:09:57 PM
WLC was having a bad week.  :-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2005, 10:34:24 PM
wlcalum:
Agree with you, except HOPE that we beat you again for Homecoming ;D!  Look me up at the game; I'll be on the sidelines.

Alma/Albion will be the key after next week, I predict (although as you all know, my prediction field record is not very good so far this year! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 11, 2005, 08:35:17 AM
fd3db

Now I know who you are and will spot you right away. ::)
You will know me too as I will be in the stands wearing WLC colors and ball cap.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on October 11, 2005, 10:31:30 AM
Former 3db .... there is nno Hope.  What will it take?  Is the coaching staff just tired?  Is the talent not there?  Has self belief just abandoned the Wooden Shoes?  I am amazed.  What is the reason(s) and what is the fix?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
wabco:
There is ALWAYS HOPE! ;D  I mentioned these aspects earlier in the season, but alas it indeed appears to be what is happening this year for Hope.  No, the coaching staff is not tired - in fact, I have to commend them for an excellent job particularly in this last game at Olivet - their clock management with regard to time-out situation and the "two minute" offense at the end of the game was superb.  Unfortunately, however, the team was not, and didn't respond.

Not intending to bash anyone, but rather trying to be truthful and realistic about the situation.  The QB is a Sr. (and 4 yr starter) and is not having a very good year.  Granted, he has not had blocking all season long and is forced from the pocket, but has had a tendency to make poor choices and throwing INT's instead of throwing the ball away and/or just plain not very accurate passing, i.e. overthrowing receivers, and not being on target.  In addition, (and this has been a major problem) the another aspect has been extremely poor tackling especially arm tackling on the part of our defense.  The coaches teach and emphasize proper technique (I've seen it in pre-game so can attest to that), however, the players are the ones who have to respond on the field as we all know.  Also, overall, our linemen on either side of the ball are not big in size as compared to other years and the defense becomes very tired from being on the field alot. 

The bottom line is that every college or university at any level goes through a down season or period at sometime or another, and unfortunately, it appears that Hope is in that cycle the last two years.  We are just not a very good football team, or at least not playing up to potential.  But, we all have to endure, and as I said, "never give up HOPE! ;)" Play it out to the end and again, one never knows what might happen "until the fat lady sings" ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on October 14, 2005, 01:31:48 PM
formerd3db:

Hopefully, it's a get-well-week for Hope.  Look forward to seeing that the Wisconsin L. game becomes a win-side entry for the Dutchmen. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2005, 09:42:29 PM
BashDad:
Reply to yours is on your NCAC board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 16, 2005, 06:31:32 PM
I was wrong about Alma defeating Tri-State with ease.  The Scots did get the win, but it was much closer than a lot of people thought it would be.  Lots of guys were getting playing time, and a couple of key defensive players were out, so I guess the tough game down at Adrian the previous week was still being felt.  Aches and pains don't really explain all the penalties, though (100+yards).  There is time to get things back in order before the two tough back-to-back road games at Albion and Hope to close out the (regular) season..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 17, 2005, 10:07:24 AM
I don't think you have to worry too much about Alma getting it together.
What is up with Adrian? Two wins - two OTs? I think the only "A" really ruling the roost is Alma.

If I hear the names Rochek or Rugenstein one more time I'm going to hurl!!! Those two really tore up the turf! And our young QB. Schwander did a good job eluding Seiler then completing the play. Not as close a game as I thought it would be. Too many sacks and no scoring after the long drives. If we only had a kicker.
Point of clarity - in my weekly pick I had (Hope) to win the game. Some interesting games again on the 22nd. Will have to look into things proir to making my picks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2005, 07:34:14 PM
Wlcalum:
It was a beautiful day for the game.  Sorry your team wasn't able to provide more punch, although obviously I'm glad we won! :)  WLC didn't quite play up to the potential I think they have.    Also, I hope your two players who were hurt are okay.  Sorry we didn't get a chance to meet at the game - things are always busy on game day like that as you well know.

Alma is in control at present, but since you've not been in the league as long, I'm sure you are finding out that that doesn't really mean anything.  This more commonly than not comes down to the wire and it will only take Alma to have "a bad day" and someone else then is better "in the mix".  We'll see what happens.  Anyway, good luck to your WLC for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2005, 08:56:04 AM
fd3fb

Yes it was a beutiful day and a real nice drive with all the fall colors. The wind was pretty brisk up on top of our side. The sunshine was warm and your alum are a great bunch. Had a blast talking with them again this year. Bunch of old farts getting together to talk bull with each other it was great.

Talked to one of our olinemen on Monday and he did not mention the status of our injured - Well we talked about a couple guys who are hurting, but then again what team doesn't have a few guys playing sore?!

I agree with your "one game" commentary. So very true. One error can turn a victory into a defeat. That's why they play the game. You guys play hard this weekend and stay healthy.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2005, 02:29:44 PM
Alma goes to Kalamazoo - and comes home with the "W"

Tri State travels to Olivet - and goes home with a "L"

Adrian plays at Hope -  Adrain has OT wins vs Albion and Olivet - Olivet has beaten Hope. Do the "A's" rule the roost? Hope is at home - I'll pick the hommies Hope.

Albion crosses the border to Wisconsin Lutheran - Against by better judgement I will stay with WLC for one more week.

Wisedom tells me to pick Adrian and Albion - sometimes i listen to the little red guy on my left shoulder.  :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 19, 2005, 04:15:22 PM
Alma (3-0) @ Kalamazoo (1-2):  Alma recovers from the bumps and bruises, wins on the road, and maintains its one game cushion.

Adrian (2-1) @ Hope (2-1):  Adrian stays right on the heels of Alma with another road win for the "A's."

Albion (2-1) @ WLC (1-2):  The "A's" stay perfect for the week with Albion's win, also on the road.

Tri-State (0-3) @ Olivet (1-2):  The road wins stop in Olivet, as the home team takes this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2005, 05:30:52 PM
wlcalum:
Thanks friend, and best to you and your team as well.

My picks for this week;
Agree with you guys on Alma over Kazoo, Olivet over Tri-State; I'll go out on a limb and say we pull the home upset over Adrian; Albion over WLC (sorry ::))  Have a great remainder of the week and weekend friends.  Me thinks the wonderful fall weather is about to leave us, unfortunately (of course, if the weather guys are right ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on October 19, 2005, 06:17:29 PM
formerd3db:

Thanks much for your well-wishes--Witt is always a handful, whether home or away.  The L'il Giants will need to be sharp, Witt is hungry and backed into a corner. 

Good luck to your Dutchmen as they take on my former favorite, the Bulldogs from Adrian.  You understand that I can't say that I hope that Hope posts this Saturday's game in the win column, but I will say that I hope it's a great college football game where both teams play their best and the best team on the field Saturday wins in the end--And, that it be injury-free on both sides.  Is that weaselling?  Probably.

May it be a crisp, sunny day (beautiful football day!) in Holland!  Enjoy, and eat a hotdog for me!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 22, 2005, 11:16:34 AM
Don't worry Bulldog fans, the Dawgs will play well in Holland and stay on the heels of the Scots. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 22, 2005, 04:25:55 PM
Crazy day in the MIAA as Alma falls at Kalamazoo 38-37 and Adrian probably does the same at Hope (down 35-0 at half last I knew).  Predictions just don't work in this conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on October 22, 2005, 11:36:17 PM
Hmmm BigJ guess I should have bet you on that confidence.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 23, 2005, 01:49:23 PM
The race for the MIAA championship is far from over, as now there is a 3-way tie for first place.  Alma, Albion, and Hope all have one loss, and none of these teams have played each other yet.  I give the advantage to Albion, as they will play both Alma and Hope at home.  Alma is on the road for both Albion and Hope.  The Scots need to remember that defense wins championships (and penalties lose them). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on October 23, 2005, 08:19:55 PM
Yeah Hopefan you should have bet me.  I went with my heart and not my head.  You know shame on those Dawgs.  As I watched the Bulldogs two weeks ago against  Alma, I started to question.  They were up 10 at half, got on the ropes in the 2nd half and just really laid down.  No enthusiasm, no fire, those Dawgs need to talk to the guy in the mirror and find some heart.  Schedule favors the dawgs in the 2nd half of the season with all the top teams playing each other but after what sounds like a terrible effort in Holland I don't know what will happen.  The Dutchmen are tough in Holland but 35-0 at half, come on.  Coach Lyall better start kickin some can and see if we can start rising up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 24, 2005, 09:55:13 AM
Way to go Kazoo - played tough and brought down Alma. Surprised at the score of Hope/Adrian did not think it would be that big of a win - course you only need one more point than the opponet. ;D Tri State is scoring some point they could get a W yet this year. WLC looked like a grade school team against Albion. Tough game to watch in the rain.

Props to Shaw - my "O" player of the game - first play, one catch, 42 yards, TD, game over!
"D" player of the game #68 for Albion - had Seiler's jersey all but torn off numerous times, good tackling.... Wait a minute... isn't Seiler on WLC's Dline? Yes he is.... So my "D" player of the game would go to the refs? Sorry about that - just reporting what we, on our side of the stands, thought was not too pretty. Congrats to Albion's line they did a good job.

Question to all out there. We all hear of the smack being bantered about by the players and that is normal - I guess. Since when did the refs start talking smack? Heard of numerous barbs being tossed about by the crew this past weekend. What do you guys hear from your players?
Now, before you blast me - I am not blaming the refs for our loss(es). I know they have a hard job and never catch everything we in the stands see.  ;) Just had never heard of them mouthing off to the players before. It wasn't just at our guys either.  What have you heard?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 25, 2005, 12:10:41 PM
Albion at home vs Hope - Both teams 3-1, Hope coming off a huge win vs Adrian, Albion tromped WLC. This is the game of the week. - Albion.

Alma at home vs WLC - long drive there even longer drive home - Alma.

Olivet at home vs Kalamazoo - Kazoo huge win over Alma - Tri State scored 26 on Olivet - Both teams 2-2 - Kazoo to be 3-2.

Tri State at home vs Adrian - TS is scoring points and may get a win but not this weekend - Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on October 25, 2005, 12:12:56 PM
formerd3db:

Congrats on the Hope win! :'(   K-zoo beats Alma! ???
Things are poppin' in the MIAA!

I am glad for you and the other Dutchmen fans to see Hope put it together so well--that hotdog had to taste really good!  Had one myself in great football weather in C-ville.  Wittenberg really challenged us, as I knew they would, but the "good guys," as a team, got it done!

Again, enjoy the big win and prepare for the weekend against the Brits--we head for the mud at Gheney!

Later.    
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bizrizzo on October 25, 2005, 02:24:31 PM
wlcalum:

i was at the albion/wlc game and concur with some of your remarks. the refereeing was not the greatest, they called more holding calls on both teams in the last 5 minutes of the game, (when the score was 41-0) than in the first 55.  however, i also think that wlc did a poor job of trying to get off of blocks and if they had tried to do so, would have attracted attention to the fact that they were being held. 

every offense holds now days, but getting away with holding has a lot to do with what team you are on, and what your personal reputation is in the conference.

for instance, i recall the left tackle from alma, peters #55, a great player in the miaa who played in the d III senior bowl in mexico.  he held, but he was good at it, and had the reputation as being the best lineman in the league going into his junior and senior years. i can't recall one holding call going against him the 2 times we played. 

another would be olivet. with that many people in a compact formation, you could get blatantly held on every play and never get a call just because its too hard for the referee to see it.

i believe teams like wlc and tri-state don't get as much respect from the miaa officials in regards to "getting calls."  thats just what i have seen, and may be a reason for the umps going out of their way to get in the faces of players. i agree w/ wlcalum, the refs handled the game in an unprofessional way, bigtime.

so i'm sure i'm not the only one who has an opinion on this issue, but i had to support the minority voice in the room.

biz
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 25, 2005, 04:03:06 PM
Thanks for the input biz. Was beginning to think I was going to get a message from the admin to be nice after I scared everyone away from this board.  ;D

As I said WLC did look poor.  :-[ I think we are getting penalties to go our way, more pf's and interferance calls. Would just like to see the holding get called, it is really bad. When a guy is after the qb, running sideways with an arm pinned behind his back you would think a flag would fly from somewhere.  ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 25, 2005, 04:41:29 PM
My picks:

Albion over Hope
Alma over WLC
Adrian over TSU
Olivet over Kalamazoo

I agree that Albion/Hope is the game of the week.  I'm hoping the Dutchmen take that one, but it's a tall order.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: redman04 on October 26, 2005, 12:38:41 PM
• Everyone vote Brett Elliott for Heisman

Did everybody see this on the front page?  If not check it out and vote!  It could do nothing but help DIII football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2005, 11:19:25 PM
to my MIAA friends:
I kept telling (some) of you who seemed to think that Alma or Adrian had this thing locked up early, that it will come down to the last couple of games for the season. :)  Looks like it is.  I will admit that the Alma-Kazoo result last weekend was the last thing I would have predicted.  However, just proves that old cliche that "...on any given Saturday...".  Reminds me of the Alma debacle at Hope a few recent years back as we've discussed previously on this board. 

Anyway, this week is huge.  Hope will have a tough time down at Albion (we always do) but not impossible to knock them off.  Just HOPING the weather is good too! ;)

BTW: I would have to agree with previous poster's comments regarding the officiating this year.  While it is easy for us "arm chairs" to sit back and criticize, I must say that the officiating with regard to holding calls this year has been very poor.  Especially agree with the comment about Olivet;  their linemen held on EVERY play and in many cases, blatently pulled Hope linemen down like in a rodeo.  Despite this being done right in front of the officials and with Hope coaching staff complaining and requesting this be carefully watched, the officials failed (or refused) to do so.  Officiating is obviously a tough job, but everyone deserves a fair and better shake than has been given, IMO.  I have other personal opinions on as to why this happened, but will refrain from commenting further - it will serve no further purpose.

Bashdad:  Thanks and congrats and good luck again this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on October 27, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
I thought I would join in the discussion of the heated MIAA race.  3 games left which will decide the champ.  Who would have thought after Hope's dismal start, they would be in the thick of things as well.  Right now it is basically between Hope, Alma and Albion.  This next game between Hope and Albion will definitely show us who is still alive in the race for the championship, and who's hopes will be dashed.  I was in Wisconsin last week when Albion beat WLC.  It was basically decided in the opening minutes.  This weekend will show us who will contend for the title.

Game of the Week:  Hope @ Albion.

Hopefully you can make it to the game.  I will be there decked in my purple and gold, faced painted, cheering loudly for the Britons.  It is definitely one of the most anticipated matchups of the season.  However, all the other games on the MIAA slate are equally important.  Good luck to everyone in the MIAA!  Lets get ready to rumble  ;D
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2005, 11:00:32 AM
albionmascot:
Welcome to the board.  See you at the Albion/Hope game.  Always tough to win down there, but I HOPE we break the recent string! ;).  The loser is obviously out of the race.  If Hope wins, it will most likely come down to Hope/Alma in the last game again, just like last year.  That would be truly amazing; but once again, not surprising in the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on October 28, 2005, 01:39:22 PM
Former3db did you ever play for Hope College Flying Dutchmen?  I have been here at Albion since 2001, graduate in May 06.  Anyway, have fun at the game.  If you make it there, you will know its me, because I am one of the lone guys that paints his face.  This will definitely be one of the most compelling matches of the MIAA schedule.  The race has heated up, and every team will be tested, until we will find out the true winner.  So far the conference has shaped up to be quite interesting.  Beyond the conference winner.....can, and will any of the MIAA teams be able to compete in the playoffs.  Since the playoffs expanded the MIAA has the worse percentage, 0.0%.....the MIAA looks great when it comes to basketball, but football it isn't as strong.  However, we'll see these last 3 weeks, wait for the champion and  then discuss the team that represents the MIAA will actually be able to win a game in the playoffs or not. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2005, 10:28:55 PM
albionmascot19:
Yes, I did "many moons ago" ;D.  Indeed, it should be a great game.  My college roommate's son plays for you guys (TE and special teams).  I'll look for you and as you mention, you shouldn't be hard to find ;).  I agree with you that it certainly would be great to see one of our MIAA teams win a playoff game for once and try to get back to advancing to the second round, like Albion did back in '94 when the won the Stagg.  While they were not a powerhouse and without question had some luck in a couple of the playoff games, they were a very good team with perseverance and determination, which is why they won it all.  Sometimes, a team needs a little luck now and then, regardless of its talent level, and there is nothing wrong or shameful about that.  Seems that aspect is being proven time and time again this season at all the NCAA levels.  Anyway, see you tomorrow, and may the best team win (of course, I HOPE that it is HOPE ;D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 29, 2005, 07:51:05 AM
Good luck to all teams today.  I totally agree with the above remarks about Alma, Hope, and Albion.  We'll see today who has the upper hand between Albion and Hope, as well as whether or not Alma can bounce back convincingly after the loss at Kalamazoo last week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on October 29, 2005, 05:03:49 PM
What a beautiful day it was for watching football!!
Albion played pretty well defensively today as they beat Hope 34-0.  Alma blew out Wisconsin Lutheran, after a one point loss to Kzoo last week.  Olivet squeaks by Kzoo.  And I am not aware what happened in the Tri-State/Adrian game.   Next Saturday there is a big matchup with first place on the line, and possible playoffs implications when Alma travels to Albion. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2005, 08:37:08 PM
Yes, it was a beautiful day for football, except for the outcome of the Albion/Hope game, at least for us HOPEsters :(.  First, congratulations to Albion on their win.  I would add, however, that it was a classless act for them to run a fake punt on 4th down late in the game with the outcome already decided (although not surprising :P)

Secondly, a few observations/comments on the game:  a) certainly a debacle for Hope as they did not play well and basically beat themselves.  Albion is a good team, yet certainly no powerhous and Hope could have beaten them if they had played like they did last week against Adrian, b) once again, the officiating was extremely less then stellar, to say the least.  A ton of missed (or rather more truthfully) blatantly non-made holding calls on Albion's offensive line while Hope was nailed with several, some of which were without question blatantly vindictive calls by one of the officials in particular.  Very poor showing on the latter's part; another extremely blantant incorrect call was the stealing of the ball from Hope's running back at the goal line which was allowed and awarded to Albion when forward progress should have been called and marked.  These are not excuses whatsoever as none of these would have mattered, did not effect the outcome, and Hope did not deserve to win because of their own poor play and miscues.  Moreover, failure of officials to control player tempers and some blatant foul manuvours is ridiculous and continues to happen.  Nonetheless, it is not inappropriate to mention these aspects because it is clear that the caliber of officiating in the MIAA has declined tremendously in the last 2-3 years unfortunately. :(  No excuses, just observations. 

Again, Hope did not deserve nor play well to win; poor offensive blocking and QB play returned and the secondary had one of its worst games of the year.  From our standpoint, it is difficult to understand how Hope could play so well against Adrian last week and then essentially the opposite this week.  Yet as I mentioned before, it seems that is how the season is going at all NCAA levels this year. ::)

At any rate, indeed the title game most likely will be Alma @ Albion next week.  Hope is probably eliminated at this point, although not impossible, but even if they were to win their last two games (including Alma) and Albion lose to Alma, the tiebreaker applications might not be in favor of Hope - obviously alot would need to happen.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on October 30, 2005, 12:05:05 AM
Pointing our fingers to the referees isn't going to change anything.  People will always complain about the referees.  As we know they are human like anyone else.  And you know that they don't favor any one team.  If you see it from the perspective from other teams, they feel they have had some poor calls go against them as well.  Officiating is a hot button issue.  Maybe we need to go Instant Replay in DIII, if it were possible.  I think the game was played pretty good, except I would have hoped for a closer game.  On any given Saturday, anything can happen.  Regardless of how the officiating goes, the men still get on the field and play.  I think both teams played hard, however in the end there had to be a winner.  For me it was suprising of how Albion was able to take charge of the game.  The first series they were 3 and out.  When Hope got the ball, they fumbled, Albion could have had a chance to recover, but couldn't.  Then there was a pick that was thrown.  It seemed like the Briton defense made it a hard night for the quarterback.  I know we can debate this for a long time to come, but from where I was watching when Hope was at the 1 yard line it seemed that they fumbled and then we recovered.  You can give forward progress, but if you fumble the ball, it is considered a live ball and anyone can recover it.  Anyway....it was good that you were able to make it to the game.  Good luck next weekend!             
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 30, 2005, 08:04:08 AM
Complaining about the refs here does not change anything - but it does make one feel better. :) Does the MIAA review the refs performances? If one were to send the tapes to the MIAA would they take action against a crew?
On that note - we had the same crew this weekend - WITH the SAME results. (Something needs to be done, this crew is horrible.) Well except for our coaches and players didn't take the same trash talk they took last weekend. Of course that led to a pf flag against both teams as retaliation for grabbing the junk set in. (is this why Alma wears the skirts?) Sorry, couldn't resist it. :-* :D Really surprised our runningback has a head left. Can guarantee his neck is black and blue as I/we saw three times his head being pulled back and a hand/fist to the throat. Guess the refs did not have the same vantage point we had!? Had numerous comment from Alma fans about those shots. They too were surprised many more flags were not thrown against both teams.

Congrats to Alma they played very well. Sun shine and warm made the 8 hour drive, one way, well worth the time. Didn't hit any deer and didn't get a speeding ticket so all is well.
I had forgotten about how good the announcer is in Alma. He keeps everyone in the game and must do lots of homework as he was right on top of every play and knew all the players names. Made the crushing almost enjoyable!!

Hope Albion was a surprise - figured Hope would make it a closer game. Olivet over Kazoo was no big upset for the middle of the road teams. The rest was as predicted. Down the home path now. Time to get on the pony for those left in the race.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 30, 2005, 06:39:56 PM
I have to agree about the refs.  Many more flags could have been thrown both ways during the WLC/Alma game.  But complaining doesn't help.

Looks like the MIAA will come down to Alma at Albion next weekend.  Alma's got some key defensive players back from injury and looked much better against WLC than they did vs. TSU and of course K.  Ths should be a great game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2005, 08:51:59 PM
miaafbfan:
You are correct - complaining about officiating doesn't help ;).  However, there is nothing wrong about disagreeing with an official's call during a game and letting them know about it, nor is it inappropriate to ask them to watch for certain aspects that are felt to be overlooked or missed.  Coaches would not be doing their job if they didn't (and, of course, the fans are entitled to this as well as we all acknowledge).  Also, I wasn't complaining about this in my post but rather commenting and relating opinion on observations on what occurred during the game. ;)

Agree with you on the Albion/Alma game being a good one.  I will have to go with Albion since they are at home, and Alma historically has had the same "jinx" there as Hope.  Yet not impossible for them to beat Albion.  Once again, I hope the weather is nice and not a factor for either team. 

I pick Hope over TSU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2005, 09:09:45 PM
Pat:

Am I reading this wrong or what? ???  The Stagg Bowl info on your website relates that the game is Sat December 18th.  In looking at this year's calender (at least the one I have for 2005), Saturday's date is December 17th.  What goes?  I am planning on attending the Stagg again this year with some colleagues and don't want to hit the wrong day/date!  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2005, 09:12:48 PM
Where?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2005, 09:32:26 PM
Pat:
Click on your Stagg Bowl link, then go to the schedule for Thur thru Sat.  That must be from last year as 2004 game was on Sat. Dec 18th!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bizrizzo on October 30, 2005, 11:13:05 PM
wlcalum

to partly answer your question about the officials being reprimanded, i am pretty sure that each coach fills out paperwork for each ref crew for each game.  how much clout those reviews of the stripes holds w/ conference big whigs--i don't know, but from the looks of it, no changes have been made.

i remember as a captain talking to the refs quite a bit concerning calling penalites, and while you may be bugging the crap out them, they at least know what to look for.

i'm going to the wlc/olivet game this weekend, and will be quite surprised to see more than 2 holding penalites against them the whole game.  i'll even keep track.

hopefully the boys can right this ship before season is done. its gonna have to be a real solid performance on our part just to have a chance.

oh yea, i pick albion
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2005, 01:16:21 AM
formerd3db, that site is not part of D3football.com. I can't control the Stagg Bowl's web site. Take a look at the address at the top of the page in question, please...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 31, 2005, 08:32:28 AM
bizriz
Will see you at the game. Going to the feed after the game? You know the lasagna will be good. The Cheerleaders really know how to feed the boys. Last home game for the Seniors - hope they do step it up and put on a good show.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 09:17:11 AM
albionmascot and wlcalum:

Not to "beat a dead horse", however, I'll comment on the officiating issue per our discussion only one more time.  First, albionmascot, as I made it perfectly clear in my post, I was not insinuating whatsoever that the officiating had anything to do with the outcome of the game - it did not.  As you nicely reviewed, Hope did not play well to win at all; Albion is to be commended for a solid win and effort.  However, again, I'm merely pointing out the deficiency in the quality of officiating (as has some of our other posters) which has declined in the past 2-3 years as I stated.

You are correct that officials are human - that's obvious.  Yet, I would disagree with you that it is incorrect to say that some officials, on some occassions do favor a team.  When coaching staffs (or players) start questioning their calls, that human nature does take over at times unfortunately, and they start looking for any small thing to call against that certain team - even if it is borderline or questionable.  It does happen - we've all seen it many times.  Does not make it right, nor am I suggesting that officials (at least the majority of officials I believe) deliberatly make a call that would without question give the outcome of a game to a particular team.  All I'm pointing out is that it does occur where officiating will be rather vindictive against teams in some occasions, and not giving them the benefit of doubt in questionable calls where that would have been done in other situations.  Again, unfortunately, that does occur.

WLcalum, with regard to officiating reviews, I believe that is correct.  Yet also agree with you that I think most coaches, while making some comments, will not stoop to attempting to ban officials unless there is a major issure with calls (or miscalls) causing a safety concern as has been pointed out, or perhaps allowing unsportsmanlike conduct (including language) to get out of hand.  Most of the coaches (at least those I know), realize that anyone (including us fans ;)) get caught up in the emotion of the moment during the game and something that appears very horrible at that time, in reviewing it is not so bad.  On the other hand, as I mentioned, it is not inappropriate to question (or yes complain) about blatently poor officiating.  But, again, congrats to your Albion team and good luck against Alma this weekend (although for other reasons, I'll have to root for Alma! :o )  

Anyway, the bottom line is it is a human activity and some mistakes and misjudgements are always going to be made.  Until "instant reply" comes to DIII (which is unlikely ever, although not impossible so we'll avoid saying never ;)), this will always be a part of the game.  Sorry for this dissertation; I'll get off my soapbox [for] now! ;D

Wlcalum - one more thing.  Sorry, but I'll have to pick Olivet over your team this week; also Adrian as my other pick.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 09:21:22 AM
Pat:
After sending my last post, I assumed that you did not have control over the Stagg website, but rather just posted what they would send out.  My apologies if it appeared I was complaining against you - I was not, nor never intended it to be that way.  But rather I appreciate you providing us with that info; it is a great service.  Thus, it appears the Stagg people have just not updated that particular page for this year yet - most of their other pages and info appear updated for this year already.  Anyway, thanks for the follow-up.  The game is definately Sat Dec 17th this year! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 09:26:24 AM
Clarification:
In reply #142, the congrats on the Albion win at the end of my paragraph to wlcalum was obviously intended for albionmascot, although I was directing the entire discussion to both of you! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2005, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 09:21:22 AM
Pat:
After sending my last post, I assumed that you did not have control over the Stagg website, but rather just posted what they would send out.  My apologies if it appeared I was complaining against you - I was not, nor never intended it to be that way.  But rather I appreciate you providing us with that info; it is a great service.  Thus, it appears the Stagg people have just not updated that particular page for this year yet - most of their other pages and info appear updated for this year already.  Anyway, thanks for the follow-up.  The game is definately Sat Dec 17th this year! ;)

Right, but just to be clear, what I'm saying is I do not even run that site. It's their site, odaconline.com. I can't post what they would send out because said page is not on my server. They run the site, they write it, they design it, they post what they want. When you leave d3hoops/d3football/d3sports.com I no longer have control.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Pat:
Got it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 31, 2005, 12:35:39 PM
Had some time on my hands - probably too much!!

Adrian wins out they are 5-2
Hope wins out they are 5-2
Olivet wins out they are 5-2
Who goes on?

On the other hand...
Albion wins 1 and losses 1 they are 5-2
Alma wins 1 and losses 1 they are 5-2
Adrian as above is also 5-2
Who goes on?

Albion and Alma hold the keys - whomever wins out - wins it all.

My picks later this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2005, 12:46:49 PM
wlcalum:
I seem to have that same time situation today too!  I don't have time right now to really figure this out, but will just make a quick general comment.  In the scenarios you present, it obviously will come down to the tiebreaker system regarding points scored against each other.  Hope crushed Adrian, but lost to Olivet by 7, and Adrian lost to Olivet by 6.  So would Hope go?

Perhaps someone else can take the few minutes to evalute the scenarios you gave and let us know what might occur.  The other one, probably can't be worked out until the scores of the games to take place are known.  You are right that if either Albion or Alma win out, they go.  One thing I'm sure of is that no second place MIAA team will get in the playoffs with 2 losses - there are too many other better teams in other regions that would have 2 losses the NCAA would chose from.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 31, 2005, 03:05:16 PM
I agree fd3db - there will not be two teams from the MIAA that go on. I pray, that whoever does go on, will represent well with a couple of wins. It is time to get off our 0-for slide.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: msmith0076 on November 01, 2005, 10:47:06 AM
The only team that would have gotten in being in 2nd is Alm, had they not lost to K and only lost to Hope or Albion.  With regards to the playoffs the conference is in trouble, assuming the non-league performances are an indication of the leagues overall strength.  With this in mind Alma will go to the Stagg Bowl and pigs will fly.  This will be accompanied by hell freezing over and a female president.  Any other predictions???
GO SCOTS!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 01, 2005, 03:48:06 PM
There is no way two MIAA teams will go on this year.  As is, our champ will have a tough time winning in round one.  I also agree that the MIAA is in serious trouble in the post season.  The MIAA is viewed as a weak conference.  A team to make a decent run in the playoffs is badly needed.  I think the league would be better off this year if Alma ended up as champ.  Before you Albion fans start typing an angry reply, hear me out.  I'm not ripping on Albion (or anybody else).  Alma has the best non conference record and schedule of anybody, Adrian included.  Seeding is an important part of playoff success, and Alma has a better chance at a better playoff spot this year if they win out.  Now if Albion happens to get the nod, I will be behind the Brits 100%.  I'll post my picks for the week later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2005, 06:41:38 PM
I doubt highly that Alma would even get in if they came in second regardless of the scenario you posted or otherwise.  While they may have the best non-conference record, it is still not considered that good based on who they played.  AU is a lower tier team, Witt is having a bad year and Tiffin, well...DII, and that really isn't taken into consideration.

We've all discussed this previously on here in the past, however, I have to agree with you all.  Until the MIAA teams start playing and beating some of the higher tier non-conf foes, they will not get far in the playoffs.  That takes a long time to develop, both attitutde and talent wise.  With Hope playing the likes of Wheaton, DePauw, John Carroll (althoug the latter has been in a rebuilding mode as well; and now Central, Iowa on the schedule for next couple of years (and in the past Wabash, Wooster), and Alma playing some DII teams, others like Albion and Wis Luth (and Hope in the past) playing the DIAA non-scholarships such as Butler and Valpo, that could help, yet they have to do it on a regular basis rather than just a game or two here and there so to speak.  Of course, Butler has been like a lower tier DIII team in recent years, but Albion should con't the series in my opinion.  The other teams need to improve the non-conf foes - come on, look at Adrian beating up on the likes of Hiram, Heidleburg, etc.  Olivet has done faily well by scheduling some of the OAC teams like OWU, the latter which has started to improve too.  But, until MIAA's beat some of the higher tier DIII teams in non-conf, or play them close regularly, they are not going to develop the "attitude" necessary to go on to the next level.  And the other factor is, your team has to have the basic talent to move on, and they way most of our teams are playing of recent, that's not going to happen.  A lot of generalalities in my comments, I realize, yet just MHO ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 02, 2005, 08:46:00 AM
Why do you think the MIAA cannot win in the post season? WLC and TS are just starting programs and have no name made for themselves. Most everyone has heard of the city Kalamazoo because the name is cool - do they not know a college is there? As for the three "A's", Hope and Olivet - (no slam here) never heard of them prior to football. Is this the problem - no name recognition beyond the home field. So much great football in Michigan all the better players would rather sit the bench in D1?

Should the MIAA put together a panel to help with recruiting? By that I mean not just recruiting for your school but for all the schools - and not just for sports but for students. Does the MIAA need to study the top tier conferences to see how they are successful every year?

Does DIII football need to change to allow redshirting and sports related scholarships to attract the better players?

Just some ideas - what do you think?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 02, 2005, 01:21:34 PM
wlcalum:

Does DIII football need to change to allow redshirting and sports related scholarships to attract the better players?
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If NCAA allows D-III programs "redshirting and sports related scholarships," then D-III football as we know it "goes out the window."  As you may know, medical redshirts are still permissible in D-III.  Remove other restraints and the beauty and spirit of competitive football for the true scholar-athlete at the college level disappears.  It would become a "bidding war."   The playing field would be even more uneven than it is now.  Just my two cents...       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 02, 2005, 04:49:12 PM
D-III wouldn't be D-III if scholarships came into the picture.  I love college football at this level because the players are student athletes with the emphasis on "student."  They play because they love the game and they love their school.  It's not corrupt like at the other levels.  It should stay as it is.

As for the MIAA, I think the respective schools need to beef up their non conference schedules.  Formerd3db explained it well.  It's a change in mindset that needs to occur for the MIAA to get some respect in the realm of D-III football.  In many other ways, the MIAA schools do very well.  Albion, Alma, Hope, and Kalamazoo are all nationally recognized academically.  The others also earn respect in that way as well.  In other sports, the MIAA is consistently competitive at  the regional and national levels.  Let's hope football can be added to that list soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: b4uknewit on November 02, 2005, 06:54:08 PM
former-- always nice to talk to you bro   ;D)GO MTU Huskies! and of course Ferris State Bulldogs! catch ya later eh-- Da yooper
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 03, 2005, 08:47:50 AM
Yep - I went too far.  :-[ Should never have typed paragraph three as I agree - DIII football is because it is pure. Sorry!

Picks for the week

Kalamazoo at Adrian - Adrian wins out and they have a chance. Kazoo hurt Alma and can do the same to Adrian.
Going with the home team Adrian - but don't be surprised...

Alma at Adrian - both teams NEED this win, only one will get it. Going with the home team again, Adrian.

Hope at Tri State - Should I make it three for three going with the home team? I would HOPE not. Sorry Tri State.

Olivet at Wisconsin Lutheran - Olivet needs to win out to have an outside chance. WLC can spoil that chance. I am going with the heart and not the head - WLC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 03, 2005, 10:16:17 AM
wlcalum:

You need to look at your MIAA picks--Alma plays at Albion this Saturday, your earlier pairing is correct--Adrian plays Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 03, 2005, 11:56:55 AM
You guessed it I'm an idiot  :-[ I still am going with the home team ALBION. Thanks BashDad for keeping my honest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 03, 2005, 03:27:37 PM
My picks:

Adrian over Kalamazoo
Hope over Tri-State
Olivet over Wisconsin Lutheran


And the game of the week:

Alma over Albion in a close one
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2005, 07:37:10 PM
My picks for this week:

Hope over Tri-State
Adrian over Kazoo
Olivet over Wis Luth
Albion over Alma (it's at Albion ;D)

b4uknewit:
Thanks and same goes from me to you friend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 04, 2005, 02:15:56 PM
formerd3db:

Yes, it looks like Hope and Adrian will be looking from the outside in come playoff time. :(  I will look forward to the Hope/Tri-State score to see how your Dutchmen feel about themselves as the end of season nears--I hope to see "real good!"

Thanks for your thoughts expressed on the NCAC board regarding Wabash's upcoming Denison game.  Wabash has been playing so well and can't let down now.  Besides, the Bell game is next.  We need to go into "green-dingle" on a high.  When we whomp DePauw, I'll remember that we'll also be paying them back for the loss that Hope suffered to them in Holland early in the season. :)  Still, that game is more than one week away--one game at a time!  The Little Giants will be ready for "senior day" tomorrow...60's tomorrow in Crawfordsville (but with 50% chance of thundershowers!)--please keep the cold weather up in your neck of the woods for another eight days!

Later, friend.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 05, 2005, 05:09:54 PM
A wild and crazy week of MIAA football this week.  I was at the Albion game, it was over early.  The offense definitely stepped it up today.  Albion cruised by Alma  66-27.  As most people would have predicted, Adrian blew out Kalamazoo 42-10, and Hope disposes Tri-State 42-10 as well.  Finally Olivet, stays in this crazy MIAA race with a 28-14 win over Wisconsin Lutheran.  It all goes down to next week.  Albion travels to Olivet to play the Comets, for a key MIAA matchup.  An Albion win, and they are in, otherwise, it is a big mess...and can you tell me who would win then?  For us Britons fans, we are hoping they can take care of business against the Comets.  Next Saturday is tabbed as "Redemption" Saturday.  MIAA Game of the Week: Albion @ Olivet.  However the other games are important as well, depending on the result of the Albion game.  A crazy race, one more week to go.  Good luck everyone in the MIAA!

By the way hope you all enjoyed the nice weather!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 05, 2005, 08:28:13 PM
What a crazy good game at WLC. Thunder and lightning a fumble on the four with three int's to end the game. WLC was in it to nearly the end. No fumble on the four yard line and the win could have gone to WLC. Great game for the seniors - Seiler collects 12 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and one tackle for lost yards - not bad for a three man line. Lepke did equally as well. Both seniors showing what they were made of.

What happened in Albian? Did not expect a blow out there! Other games ended as expected. Next week decides it all. See you in Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 06, 2005, 08:09:09 AM
I didn't expect a blowout either.  Congrats to the Britons on a convincing win.  The title is theirs to lose.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2005, 09:49:38 PM
Hate to say (once again ;D) I told you so, but..."I told [some of] you guys so!".  Neither Alma (nor Adrian) had this thing wrapped up early in the season.  I predicted it would come down to the last weekend (again this year) and it has.  As you guys have pointed out, the AQ is Albion's to lose.  If Olivet upsets them again this year (which will be a tough act to repeat), it will indeed throw this thing into a "mess" to sort out with the tiebreaker system.

I was "on" in all my picks for this week (although not hard to do for anyone, I guess :P); figured Albion would win with the way they have been playing of late.  However, like most of you, I was shocked at the pasting they administered.  Alma, no doubt, will be determined for the occasion next week and although it is at our place, Hope needs to have their best game of the season and continue the momentum of this week for a win.  If Albion wins it all, hopefully their momentum will carry over into the playoffs for the sake of our MIAA.  Yet if they do make it in, it remains to be seen how they fare against further (and tougher) outside competition.  Hopefully, better than their two non-conf losses showed.  We shall see. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 08, 2005, 11:13:01 AM
Picks for the final week: (for all but one)

Albion@Olivet - Albion should have no problem here and secure the AQ.

Alma@Hope - The battle for second - and an outside chance for the AQ shoulds Albion fall? Going with Alma. (they were picked to finish first with Hope third)

WLC@Adrian - Last year Adrian traveled to WLC and got beat - yes... that was last year. Adrian gets the W.

Tri State@Kalamazoo - Sorry TS no wins this year. Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 08, 2005, 12:52:32 PM
This Saturday will be for all the marbles.  Albion travels down to Olivet College to try and capture the MIAA Championship Outright.  We will see what happens.  The last 5 games here in Albion we've seen an inspired Britons team take it to each and every opponent.  As far as I am concerned, this Saturday is labeled as "Redemption."  Albion has to continue to play their stellar defense, and their offense has to continue their onslaught on their opponents.  This has been a fun and exciting MIAA race.  Lets see what happens this Saturday.  The team that wins, better take that momentum into the playoffs.  Since the playoffs expanded we haven't had even one win.  Around the country when people look at our conference, I totally agree that they see it as weak.  This year it has pretty competitive.  However, no MIAA team is ranked in the region.  I feel the past is the past.  This is a new year, and we will have one team totally fired up, and will take care of businesses, and be competitive in the playoff field.  You can't only lose for so long, until you just have to pull through.  Hope everyone the best for this upcoming weekend!  By the way   Forrmerd3db: What guy on Albion is your former roommate's son.....just a curious question.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 08, 2005, 02:09:36 PM
The  former roomates son is the brother of the sister-inl-aw's cousin's neighbor. At least that is what I heard.  :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2005, 05:27:21 PM
Yes, it has been a wild year in the MIAA, although realistically, it really shouldn't be all that surprising to any of us!

Anyway, my pick's for Sat:

Albion @ Olivet: Albion.  While Olivet pulled the great upset last year, and despite this being at Olivet, Albion's play of recent will be too strong.

Alma @ Hope:  Alma, reeling from being pasted last week by Albion, will be more determined than ever for a shot at the title, should Albion lose.  However, despite this, I can't go against my alma mater Hope.  I HOPE we rise to the  occasion at home! :)

WLC @ Adrian:  Adrian; they're at home and WLC status "not quite there yet" this year.  Sorry, WLCalum  :o

Tri-State @ Kazoo:  Kazoo; Kazoo not great but improved, and after beating Alma and with the state of TSU at present, have to go with the big "K".


albionmascot:  #80.  Good luck this weekend.  Hope you enjoy the game.  Always an outside chance that it just might be a tighter one than most may think, but as you say, "we'll see what happens". ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2005, 05:39:07 PM
I agree that Albion will probably win, but, just for the chaos, I'm rooting for Olivet!

Probable FOUR-way tie!  Anyone got a clue on the AQ if so?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2005, 08:17:59 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I agree with you! ;D (sorry Albion fans :P)  Anyway, I have not taken the time to figure out the potential tiebreaker aspects for the AQ should a three or four way tie occur.  Obviously, it would depend on the point spreads of the results - but as you mention, that could be "somewhat" caotic, although perhaps not since Albion scored 66 against Alma, 34 against Hope, and Alma just got by Adrian, Hope smashed Adrian, Olivet beat Hope by a small margin, etc, etc.  My guess is that it still would be Albion if Olivet just barely beats them, and it would then depend on how much Alma might be Hope by or vice, versa!  It will be interesting if that occurs, I would say for sure!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 08, 2005, 09:54:36 PM
This is how it breaks down, Albion wins, they get the title outright.  An Albion loss, coupled with an Adrian loss would still put Albion in the playoffs.  However if Albion lost and Adrian winS, Adrian is in.   Looks like its Albion's title to win, as long as they pull it out on Saturday.  They have played exceptional defense in 6 league games they are giving up 10.6 points, while scoring at a 47.5 clip.  Albion will be faced with a new type of offense which primary focus is rushing the ball.  The biggest threat Olivet has is Travis Sleight.  Last week he put up 201 rushing yards and two touchdowns.  In his career he has 50 touchdowns.  However I cant emphasis enough how the defense has stepped up.  The 6 conference games have now set them up to claim their first championship outright since 2001.  We will see how it shapes up after Saturday's games are in the books. Lets hope the weather will hold up this upcoming weekend! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2005, 10:13:48 PM
albino,

So Olivet, Alma, and Hope are all already eliminated?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: msmith0076 on November 09, 2005, 12:17:25 PM
Correction albinomascot, if Albion and Adrian lose Alma goes to the playoffs.  The first tiebreaker is head-to-head, the second is overall record.  So, if Albion loses and Adrian as well then there is a 3 way tie.  Each team will have beaten one another (alma over olivet, olivet over albion, and albion over alma) so it goes to overall record.  This all hinges on an alma win...hope is not going to the playoffs and adrian and albion aren't losing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 09, 2005, 04:40:34 PM
Lots of second guessing here.  I think Albion's got things under control, however.  But for the sake of keeping things interesting, I'm pulling for the Comets.  But just like my wishes for the Scots last week, it's probably not very realistic.

My picks for the week:

Albion @ Olivet:  Albion
Alma @ Hope:  Alma
Tri-State @ Kalamazoo:  Kalamazoo
Wisconson Lutheran @ Adrian:  Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 09, 2005, 06:46:22 PM
It is interesting when more than one team comes out of a conference in the playoffs.  I know the MIAA is looked as one of the weaker conferences.  What we need is competition, and some wins in the playoffs, and better regional records, and then someday hopefully we can see two teams from the MIAA to go to the playoffs.  Right now the team that represents the MIAA, better win, and show the nation and that we are as good as anyone else.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2005, 09:25:13 PM
albionmascot:
How do you figure that?  If Alma wins, and Albion loses, Alma only then has two league losses  and would they not go by virture of having beat Adrian and Hope, even though they lost to Albion?  Overall record might not count there since I am not sure the NCAA considers games against DII foes?  If the first tie-breaker is head to head, are you talking about "who beats who" or the point spread?  Guess it depends on which teams would be in the tie.  I need to sit down and figure this out on paper! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2005, 09:49:34 PM
I think I may have this figured out ???  Here goes "that old college try!"

If Albion wins, they get the AQ obviously.

A three-way tie occurs if:
If Albion loses, they are 5-2 in conf with loses to Adrian (by 3 pts) and Olivet by?
   Adrian wins, they are 5-2 in conf with loses to Alma (by 3 pts) and Hope by 21
   Alma wins, they are 5-2 in conf with loses to Albion (by 39) and Kazoo by 1

Adrian would go since they beat Albion by 3 even though Alma beat Adrian by 3 but Alma lost to Albion by 39;?  Do you all agree or am I missing something?  I'm not sure that Alma can get in now (again, DII loss might not count; as the MIAA title is determined by league wins/loses according to the MIAA website).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2005, 09:55:43 PM
But you left off if Hope wins!

Is Olivet out of any possible tie-breaker?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2005, 11:44:04 PM
Oh yeah. 

If Hope wins, I'm not sure they (uh, we ;)) get in as Hope would have lost to Albion by 34, beaten Adrian by 34, lost to Olivet by 7; while Adrian would have beaten Albion by 3, and only lost to Olivet by 6.  So I don't think Hope gets in based on that head to head comparison.

On the other hand, if Olivet wins, they will be 5-2, beating Adrian by 6, Hope by 7, and I guess that would depend how much they beat Albion by.  They would potentially go since they beat Adrian if both they and Adrian tie with 5-2 records? ???

Man, this gets crazy.  What do you think? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2005, 11:44:47 PM
correction:
Hope beat Adrian by 21.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 10, 2005, 08:56:18 AM
If the three "A's" lose - Albion, Hope and Olivet would be 5-2. I would think Olivet would go as they would have beaten Albion and Hope has lost to Albion and Olivet.

You know this is kind of fun.

Whomever takes it - best of luck in the post season and go out and get a couple of wins for the MIAA!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 10, 2005, 02:29:28 PM
formerd3db:

It is crazy, but will sort itself out--best of luck to Hope this weekend as they contribute to the complication!  Alma will come in mad, though, after their thrashing by Albion.  I do hope the Dutchmen will have the answer. 

Wabash has its hands full with the Bell Game, one boy I know, along with the other seniors, want nothing less than to bring the Bell back to Crawfordsville before their playing days are done.  It's all very exciting and the smack-talking between fans is about what you would expect--I've finally mellowed out and am "remaining on the sidelines" and not getting involved in all that. ;)  It should be a good ballgame on Saturday.  I can't wait for gametime action to get here!  Supposed to be good, crisp fall weather in Indiana, hope the same is true for those of you in Michigan. 

Great time of year!  Best of luck to all d3 football teams in action this weekend--and my best wishes for excellent and safe football play for all!  Fond memories of MIAA football--whoever represents them this year, I wish them luck--unless they are playing Wabash!

Later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 10, 2005, 04:00:45 PM
All these tiebreakers can be thrown out if Albion beats Olivet.  I know the guys will definitely be pumped up, and trying to redeem themselves from the loss against Olivet last year.  We will see how it all shapes up after the games on Saturday.  I would have loved to watch the Albion/Olivet game, but I will be going to the Central Michigan/Western Michigan game.  I know we're definitely going to have a lot of people from our college at the game in Olivet this weekend.   Anyway, good luck to everyone in the MIAA......first things, Albion wins, they get the AQ-----otherwise.....we'll see......what else is to follow...     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2005, 07:13:35 PM
Bashdad:
Thanks, and best wishes to you and 'Bash this weekend.  It wil be an exciting time for sure as you note; dress warm, but hopefully the rain will stay away.  Yes, the MIAA "craziness" will all be sorted out this weekend.  As the others have noted, if Albion wins, then it's settled.  Crazier things have happend.  Again, have a great time this weekend.  Talk to you later.

ablionmascot:
What? ??? You're blowing off your team's potential title game to go to Central MI/Western MI? ;D  That Olivet/Albion game last year was a barnburner and tremendously exciting game.  I remember last year at the Hope/Alma game, we kept hearing the updates and it was entertaining to hear the cheers/groans as that score "swapfest" kept being updated/announced!  Anyway, the Central/Western game is a great longtime rivalry as well (I've been to that before) so I'm sure you'll enjoy a good game and day there as well.  As for missing your Albion game, I guess that's probably okay since most likely your team will win and I'm sure you're banking on that.  I agree with you that it is less probable that Olivet can repeat what they did last year, however, it is not impossible and the strangest things do occur as we all know.

Whatever the outcomes of everyone's games this Sat, I HOPE everyone enjoys the day.  It has been a rather exciting (albeit) strange and "rollercoaster" season in the MIAA this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 10, 2005, 08:17:32 PM
Well my friends had made plans to come down to Western.  My buddy ryan who I have known for 11 years is moving to Florida probably, so it will be our last hurrah.....me, Mike and Ryan, friends for 11 years.  My buddy is coming all the way from Alpena to Troy.  Tomorrow gotta go back home, and then everyone is riding with me tomm night to Western.  Not actually going to the game, just tailgating and hanging out.  I have no interest in going, but my friends want to get together for the last time in a while.  So it will be nice, however I am going to try to detour the plans and try to catch at least half of the Albion/Olivet game.  I know people that have never been to an Albion game, will be there as well.  There is so much support behind this team this year, its remarkable.  I am hoping one of my buddies will be able to inform me of the Albion score on Saturday if I can't catch any of it.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 11, 2005, 01:59:35 PM
The world is coming to an end. A self proclaimed "mascot" and an alum will skip a title game to tailgate with friends. Woe is me to see the end so near.  :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 12, 2005, 08:43:19 AM
Good luck to all teams today (especially Olivet, Alma, and WLC)!  Let's keep things interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jdean on November 12, 2005, 06:37:49 PM
Snce no one seems to be posting on this board, I went to the college site to find that Albion won today 36-19.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2005, 07:07:18 PM
jdean:
Yeah, that's kind of  :( and  :-[ (ing).  Except for the UAA board which has been almost dormant, we've not been much busier.

Anyway, you are right.  Albion leaves not doubt or confusion for anyone by winning the title outright and the AQ.  Congrats to Albion.  For those who haven't seen the day's MIAA results, they are as follows:

Albion 36 Olivet 19
Adrian 31 Wis Luth 14
Kazoo 41 Tri State 14
Hope 38 Alma 20   

Wow, I am very surprised (but obviously very happy :) that Hope beat Alma today.  I am equally surprised, though, at Alma's collapse the last few weeks.  They had a chance to wrap it up early, as did Adrian, especially with the way Albion started out the season.  But give credit to the Britons who have seemed to get better each week.  Hope finally decided it wanted to get serious, but too little, too late.  While not a great team this year in all honesty, we did, however, have chances to win the league games we lost, but again did not deserve to.

Olivet fared better than some thought, Kazoo was respectable considering a very, very big rebuilding year for them along with a new coach.  Wis Luth a tough season and even more so to say the least for Tri State.  Hopefully, the latter can start improving - I can't understand why they are so down in recent years after being a rather tough NAIA scholarship team at least one of the years a few years ago.  As for our friends at Adrian, what can you say? ???  They have this pattern of starting out great, then talking the slide.  Like I've said before, they need to beef up their non-conf schedule to be more competitive, and while they might take a beating doing that for the first couple of years or so, I believe it would help them in the end and future.

Although we'll be rooting for Albion as our MIAA representative, realistically, it will be a tough road for them to advance.  However, as we've all said, anything can happen.   They just might get some luck (which any team needs in the playoffs from time to time regardless of who they are), but I would just add that Albion need alot more of it than they had way back in 1994 when they won the Stagg.  But we'll see what happens.

BTW, congrats to Wabash and Union (NY) on undefeated regualr seasons!  That's awesome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2005, 07:10:43 PM
Correction:
"A Typo", my bad. ::)  Kazoo score is Kazoo 41 Tri-State 40 (not 14).  Kazoo wins in a squeaker.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 12, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
Hmmm!
If Hope had somehow gotten past Olivet they would have had respectible season, under the "off year" circumstances. Too bad... Must feel good after the win today, and looking forward to next year. Only a dozen or so seniors leaving, with just a few holes to fill DE, K, OL... I think they'll be OK. Congrats to the Brits. Bring back a few W's from the NCAA!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2005, 09:35:48 PM
realhopefan:
Yes, I concur with you.  The Olivet game was a stinger and disappointment.  Yet, theorizing that if Hope had beaten Olivet, with all the other games remaining the same including the Albion loss, the latter would still be going most likely due to point differential against the other teams I believe.  Obviously, it doesn't matter at this point, anyway. ::)  But yes, hopefully, Albion can press on to represent our league and get past the first round at least.

As far as Hope, they should have a good nucleus, yet a very BIG question mark will be the QB position.  This season's backup QB has good skills and potential, however, the lack of playing time for him this year having been behind the now-departing Schwander will be a a slight hindering factor to begin with, although not impossible to overcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 13, 2005, 01:33:21 AM
My congrats to Albion also. A win in the post season is what the MIAA needs.

What a game played in Adrian... This was one of the toughest hitting games I have ever watched. Congrats to the kicker who with a minute left in the game kicks a FG for the school record in a season. Congrats also to the Adrian coaching staff who ran across the field to remove some gangsta wannabees from behind our bench.. very poor showing from a fan prospective.. Words of wisdom to Taz (TO) Wallace. I have admired your "stats from afar... I now see the reson your stats are so good is because of your dline. May you one day grow up and not let your flapping mouth overload your pea size brain. There is no room for the amount of showboating you present in a game. I am embarrased to admit I ONCE admired your stats. :-[
To #19 - even though Seiler wears #57 he is a dlineman. You learned today you cannot come across the field to block him. I could have swore after Seiler hit you every joint in your body was dislocated!  :o Way to get back up. I would have called for an ambulance.  :'( Some truely awesome hits in the middle of the field... each teams got in their licks. My ears are still ringing from the popping of the pads.

Next question... who are your picks for first team MIAA? It is too late/early for me to post my guesses. Will work on that later today.

Congrats to all teams for a hard fought MIAA season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 13, 2005, 03:01:56 PM
Looks like Albion's going to have a rough game on their hands.  The trip to Wabash won't be an easy one, but I think it's safe to say that Albion is playing the best football in the league right now.  Here's hoping they can come away with a much needed playoff win for the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2005, 09:12:24 PM
bulldogalum:
Agree with you.


BTW, where is ADAWG? ???  We haven't heard from you, friend.  Now that the season is over, you can post again. ;D

Also, any of you other MIAA (i.e. non-Albion fans) fans planning on going down to C'ville for the game to support our MIAA representative?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on November 13, 2005, 09:59:49 PM
 As an old OAC dog who misses matching up with you guys, good luck against Wabash this week. They are good team and a fine representative from a conference that I have little or no respect for. So best of luck luck against the representative from the Non Competetive  Athletic ???Conference. Remember, Wabash had to beat out KENYON to get this bid. lol
All seriousness aside, I would like to see some new and different matchups in this year's platoff
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2005, 11:40:58 PM
formerd3db:

Its great to be back, the season long absence is a tough one for me to endure, but I was busy with coaching and carrying the title of video coordinator as well.  It was a good season all across the MIAA with some very competetive play from everyone all the way to WLC, one of the best 1-9 teams around.  LOts of talent, lots of stats lots of playmakers, it seems even with Albion winning the title that there is more parity in the league than in the past.  Just hoping that at this point with Albion and their strong play as of late that hopefully they can get a win in the first round at the least and maybe make some more noise than that.  As for some things that bothered me over the season, I still dont see eye to eye on the arguments for a tougher non league schedule.  It will do us no good whatsoever I understand taht it looks better on the schedule but as far as stopping the eventual "slide" of Adrian College I dont see that as a fix.  When you look at the schedules in the League this year no one had a more difficult run than us, going from Albion to Alma at Home, Olivet at home and then Hope on the road.  No one else took on the top 4 in order as we did.  Hope was an asskicking no doubt about that, we showed up and expected to win and found out what happens when you dont come to play.  As for Alma, they were a great defense against us, but it is hard to win a game minus your starting qb.  The slide as has been refered to was a 5-2 finish, if we have come from my freshman year of beating a WLC team 13-12 to now being dissapointed at 8-2 I will take it.  Injuries are what hurt everyone, look at Alma dropping to K, and by the same token it is my belief not that it carries much weight that the non league schedule of tough teams puts you in a beat up state of affairs going into the league and that is not needed in the MIAA.  That was my big sticking point im glad to be able to post again, albeit I will be on a much more self restricted shorter leash.  Not that I ever stepped on toes before, but im not gonna try to start now.  Congrats to all the teams in the league this year and good luck to the Brits in the playoffs, get a win, make some noise and make the MIAA proud.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 14, 2005, 12:24:46 AM
On to Crawfordsville, where it will be the hardest test yet for the Britons.  It was an exciting Conference schedule, now the Britons have to go to continue to play their stellar offense and defense.  Wabash comes in the game 10-0, and Albion 7-3.  The all time series is 17-17-1.  Last game at Wabash, Albion won 26-0 in 1996 under the late great Coach Pete Schmidt.  This is the new look Britons.  Definitely they need to come out strong right from the start.  We need this team to make some noise.  I will be in Indiana on Saturday.  We will see how everything turns out.   If anyone needs a ride to the game, I can help out anyone who wants to go, but doesn't have transportation.  The season was exciting, lets now focus on the Playoffs.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 14, 2005, 02:49:29 PM
formerd3db:

Thanks for your congrats to Wabash in the Bell Game, a super tough game, but--The Bell is back home!  I was really pleased to see that Hope was able to handle Alma to end on the high note! 

Will be neat to see an MIAA team in the first round of the playoffs in Crawfordsville. Other than K-College, I haven't seen a team from the MIAA play since travelling across state from Terre Haute to see the Bulldogs play in Defiance in the early 70's after I left Adrian.   As you say, Albion seems to be playing well, their stats look good and balanced.  The L'il Giants will be ready, Albion better bring their best game (I expect they will).  Should be a good one.  I hope you are able to make it down for the game, it would be great to meet you in person.  If so, I will be tail-gateing by the tracks behind Hollett  from about 10:30 (3+ hour drive for me from Evansville and Evansville is on Central Time!), and will be in the stands (front of pressbox) watching teams warm-up after about 11:15.  If you do come,  look me up, it would be great to meet you.  Just look for the oldest guy around with a Hemingway beard--that's me.   

 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on November 14, 2005, 03:59:36 PM
It will be good to see Albion again. I made a couple of trips up there back when we had a good series going on - good fans and good football. Hope you bring some people down with you all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 14, 2005, 06:15:39 PM
Yeah I know I will definitely be there.  Look for a guy with his face painted (purple).  I am also indian, and not hard to spot lol.....anyway, I am trying to see if any of my buddies want to come with me.  I know its only 8 dollars a ticket.  I called Wabash College Bookstore, and they told me they already sent out the tickets to our college, but have not heard one word of them yet, or where to get them.  I know you can buy them from Wabash online.....and pick them up in person, but order them online by going to www.wabash.edu/bookstore   Anyway, yeah I will be there.....you know if it is me......painted face, albion college shirt......and I am 22...and a 5th year senior at albion college.....and hey how about this free pizza on me.....or something lol.....anyway it should be an interesting game, we'll see how things pan out.....just want to see a great game!  I will see you all there!

TJ
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2005, 07:38:28 PM
ADAWG:
Good to have you "back".  I think you are  right about the parity issues.  I tend to disagree a bit regading the non-league aspects, though.  Injuires are part of the game anytime, whether non-conf or conf.  When I played "way back when", playing up against DII schools was a plus I believe.  Yes, it is taking a risk regarding a physical beating and it takes a few years to elevate to that next level as far as recruiting for that level of play.  However, overall, with regards to all enclusive talent level on one's team, improvement can occur and the attitudes do as well.  While I like the parity in the MIAA (to some extent i.e. of course, I'd rather see Hope beating up on everyone ;D!), I truly believe that the MIAA needs to beef up the non-conf schedules in order to be competitive in the playoffs against the regional teams.  I love the MIAA, but it has taken a slide perhaps from the late '70's - 80's, early '90's on a national basis, except not forgetting Albion's national championship in '94.  Just MO, though.  Keep in touch.

Bashdad:
Good to hear from you.  Agree with your commentary.  I am seriously thinking about making the trip down.  I'll keep you posted.  My college roommate's son plays for Albion, so that is an enticement, along with the possibility of getting my brother to come along as well.  Do I need to purchase tickets in advance, or will it be okay to wait until game time? ???

albionmascot:
If I make it down, will try to look you up too.  Good luck and have a safe trip.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on November 14, 2005, 07:54:24 PM
I would think you should be OK getting tickets at the gate.  I hope to see the home stands filled, but I expect there will be plenty of room on the visitor side (Albion, feel free to prove me wrong!).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 14, 2005, 08:26:04 PM
Well......I heard they already sent tickets to our college but havent heard anything......so I will have it probably get them online and pick them up in person.  All I know is I need a ticket.  8 dollars for adults, 4 dollars for students.

Lets all remember Mt. Union is in the bracket as well, but we'll see how Saturday shakes up
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 14, 2005, 11:20:27 PM
formerd3db:

Not that i totally disagree with you on the fact of non league play, i would like to see us play some more competitve schools which are nationally known but on the same level as MIAA. However as far as recruiting for that level of play (i.e. vs. OAC etc) the fact that we as Division III schools in michigan are recruiting against the best DII conference in the country hampers our efforts.  THis is an overall talent issue, league wide as most teams are on the same level as Adrian as shown in games and show the same drop off from first team to second team.  The fact is that in the OAC aside from teams like Mount Union Fielding over 200 players on their team they are able to get DII talent because of the fact that they have only three DII's in state.  It is commendable to play some of the UW schools, as well as OAC's and NCAC, but the fact on top of that also is that we operate on a different playing level.  The MIAA chooses to give us only 9 scheduled off season practices and does not allow us the use of a football.  The other conferences we are playing allow for 15 practices with a football, this puts us at a huge disadvantage as far as competitve issues are concerened.  What we spend time on in the first days of camps is what they already have done in the spring.  I think that factor is a large one as well, if we as a conference want to be competitive nation wide and make some noise, the powers that be need to allow us equal footing with the competetion.  Looking at teams from the past I would agree with you, the league did have a stronger national footing in years past as well as playing more teams outrside the regioun, but i think as a whole teams are having a hard tiem fielding games against anything but the top tier teams. Hope being a prime example witha v ery ambitious schedule and with Albion doing the same.  I think with the changes coming at Adrian that the same changes will come, but all in due time.  Let us remember, patience is  a virtue....on top of the fact that im now jsut rambling but the practice issue is a large one hindering efforts and the GLIAC is not helping in the pursuit of national dominance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2005, 11:34:13 PM
ADAWG:
You make some very valid points.  I unintentionally overlooked some of those other factors such as the practice issues and yes, the DII recruiting factor.  Those latter two I agree with you have some definitie bearing on this.  Moreover, another significant factor is the ever increasing cost of tuition.  While MIAA schools are less expensive than most of the Ohio and Indiana DIII's, the cost of small liberal arts education is getting much more difficult for many families to afford.  This obviously will limit many good players from enrolling.  Economics is huge (and certainly, Adrian - and Albion surprisingly - is feeling that very much now it is my understanding, unfortunately.  I was shocked to see Adrian's enrollment dipped below 1000 this year.  I don't believe that has happened for many years, although I could be wrong.

Still, strong programs attract huge numbers of players Hope >140 the past several years and same for Albion.  Yet, the Mount Union and some of the other Ohio schools situation is different as you mention due to the DII aspect; although that is changing to with more DII schools developing in Ohio and the mid-west in recent years.  Anyway, the bottom line is that the MIAA needs to continue to strive for these improvements as you mention.  But some of that is limited by the rules of the league as you correctly point out.  Thanks for your opinion; always respected.

wabashcpa:
Thanks for the follow-up. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 15, 2005, 03:14:26 PM
Very tempting to make the trip down to Crawfordsville this weekend, and there are all sorts of reasons to go.  Unfortunately, it looks as though I'll be very busy, and I probably won't be able to afford the 11-hour roundtrip drive.  We'll see. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashBacker#16 on November 15, 2005, 06:51:16 PM
Wabash press release on this Saturday's playoff game...

http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/Nov%2015%202005%20Release.pdf
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: b4uknewit on November 15, 2005, 08:22:33 PM
formerd3-- just saw anESPN Classic of Us against   you know      them(OSU)   we lost :-[ hope this ain't a bad omen :-X  Best of luck to your Conf. in the playoffs! ROLL~~RAIDERS ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 15, 2005, 08:27:47 PM
I watched that game too.  Painful game to watch.  Ohio State couldn't get into the endzone, but still won 12-10.  Should be a little more offense in this year's game, at least.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 15, 2005, 10:12:34 PM
If you need a ride, I am coming from Albion....I could help you make the trip....If anyone is near me, and you want to maximize on the gas mileage let me know.....drop me an email....tsd10@albion.edu
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2005, 04:11:03 PM
How many folks can we expect from Albion? We have a tailgate lot set up for you all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 16, 2005, 06:38:27 PM
I am not sure, how many people are going to be coming, its all up in the air, but I am hoping we'll have good support as always.  I am planning on coming.  This week is our Tip-Off Tournament in Basketball, as it is for Wabash.  How many Wabash fans will be there?  Our school didnt send us tickets, so I will have to buy them at the game.  Our athletic director emailed me and told me there probably won't be a sell out, with just Wabash fans, so I should be able to get tickets at the gate right?   Anyway, I am stoked for the game.  It should be an exciting game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on November 16, 2005, 07:07:03 PM
In football, we should probably get over 2,000 fans on our side. That's what we drew in teh first round in 2002 against an opponent that really didn't have a following. With Albion, I would expect more.

The tip-off tourney in hoops will be pretty barren. We can't change the time because Texas - Dallas needs to fly back Saturday night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on November 16, 2005, 08:37:30 PM
Tickets shouldn't be a problem.  Hopefully it wil be a little warmer than the 30 degrees we had today!

Sidenote:  Sports Illustrated "Faces in the Crowd" this week includes the Alma QB Josh Brehm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 16, 2005, 08:48:31 PM
I heard from a girl that works in Wabash Bookstore that there are like 850 students at Wabash?  Or is it more than that.  At Albion we have roughly 1950 students.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2005, 09:00:13 PM
The website states that enrollment is 850 students.  I thought it had gotten up a little higher than that, maybe around 950.  Either way, it's still a pretty small school. 

I'm looking forward to this game.  I was at the last Wabash/Albion game up in Albion in '97.  That was a great game....probably one of the top five games I've seen in 10 years of watching Wabash football. 

Despite the small enrollment, Wabash draws a good crowd.  Last year Wabash had the #2 attendance in D-III behind St. John's.  That number was skewed a bit by the huge Monon Bell crowd.  This year Wabash is drawing close to 4,000 per home game, which is still quite good.  I'm expecting a good crowd Saturday. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 16, 2005, 10:08:28 PM
Thanks for the info man.  I just heard from one of my buddies that there is transportation available to the game, so I will probably just hop on a bus!  I am looking forward in going to Wabash.  I havent been there before, but I have driven through Crawfordsville before.  I am not sure when we're leaving.  I hope to see you all there!   Hope to enjoy a great game!

Its pretty cold here right now, and still snowing, hopefully the weather will be a lot better than it is right now!         
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2005, 11:29:38 PM
It's still a little early, but the forecast for C'ville on Saturday is for the temp to creep up to around 50 and dry
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2005, 04:39:23 PM
bruknewit:
Sorry I missed your post and this delayed response.  But thanks for the well wishes this weekend.  And yes, we'll be "watching that other game too"! ;)

Wally:
Thanks for the updated weather watch.  Yes, hopefully it will be dry and a bit warmer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 09:24:38 PM
Quote from: albinomascot19 on November 16, 2005, 08:48:31 PM
I heard from a girl that works in Wabash Bookstore that there are like 850 students at Wabash?  Or is it more than that.  At Albion we have roughly 1950 students.

Remember that's 850 men, maybe only a couple hundred fewer than Albion has.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Tipps on November 17, 2005, 11:28:46 PM
I just wanted to wish the Albion and Wabash players a healthy, solid game come Saturday.

Back in the early '90s, a game between Wabash and Albion was the first Division III matchup I had ever seen. I was barely a teenager then, but there are a lot of things I remember from that day, such as the oddity of black squirrels scurrying around campus and the fact that my best friend had dropped in the mud my celebratory roll of toilet paper that I had planned to launch from the stands. But most of all I remember the excitement that hovered in the air. I grew up in South Bend, where Notre Dame football was a part of life. But I had never seen my dad, who is also a Wabash grad, so exillerated, so caught up in the moment as I did on that Saturday at Albion. That crowd said so much about small college football, without ever really saying a word.

There's almost two decades of history between these two schools. I'm happy that they have this opportunity to meet again. I hope this coming Saturday proves to be a great game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on November 18, 2005, 10:45:37 AM
This is Wabash's Jim Amidon's look at the game: http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=3005
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 18, 2005, 02:00:37 PM
Pat:
I found out a few years ago that it was an all guys school.  For most people I know that would be a challenge.  I guess the most important thing in college is academics, and then athletics.  I guess it would have been nice if they had a "sister" college.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2005, 02:17:48 PM
There's a lot more to college than just academics and athletics.  Academics certainly are higher priority than athletics, but there is way more to it than just class and sports. 

Wabash doesn't have a particular need for a "sister" school...C'ville is a surprisingly popular destination for coeds from colleges and universities all over Indiana.  The opportunities to socialize with the fairer gender are plenty.  Don't feel too sorry for Wabash men.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HScoach on November 18, 2005, 02:19:26 PM
Q: What does a Michigan girl say after sex?
Q: "Get off me dad, you're crushing my cigarettes."



Q: What's the difference between Ann Arbor and a Porcupine?
A: There's 100,000 pricks on the inside of Ann Arbor.



Q: What do you call two good looking women walking through the Michigan Campus?
A: Visitors!



Q: What do Michigan football and marijuana have in common?
A: They both get smoked in bowls!



Q: What's the difference between a Michigan fan and a carp?
A: One is a bottom-feeding, scum sucker, and the other is a fish.

Q: How many Michigan fans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: One, but he gets 3 credits.

Q: Where was O.J. hiding right before the famous white Bronco chase?
A: On the Michigan campus. That's the last place you would find a football player.

Q: Why do they throw out a sack of manure at University of Michigan weddings?
A: To keep the flies off the bride.

Q: Why don't University of Michigan fans let their kids play in sand boxes?
A: Because cats keep covering them up.

A University of Michigan fan walks into a doctor's office and removes his hat to reveal a frog sitting on his head. The doctor asks, "How can I help you?" The frog replies, "I was wondering if you could help me get this wart off my butt."

Q: Did you hear about the University of Michigan fan who locked his keys in his car?
A: He couldn't get his family out.

Q: Why do University of Michigan fans keep their diplomas on their dashboards?
A: So they can park in handicap spaces.

Two University of Michigan fans were walking down the street when they came upon a dog lying on the sidewalk licking and cleaning his groin like dogs do. The first University of Michigan fan says to the second, "Boy, I wish I could do that." The second University of Michigan fan replies, "Yeah, me too. But I wouldn't try it." The first University of Michigan fan asks, "Why not?" The second University of Michigan fan replies, "Because I'm afraid the dog might bite me."

Q: Did you hear about the power outage at the University of Michigan library?
A: Forty students were stuck on the escalator for three hours.

Q: Did you hear about the fire in University of Michigan's football dorm that destroyed 20 books?
A: The real tragedy was that 15 hadn't been colored yet.

Q: Do you know why the University of Michigan football team should change its name to the "Opossums"?
A: Because they play dead at home and get killed on the road.

Q: Did you hear the story about the semi-truck carrying pigs that flipped over on the University of Michigan campus?
A: The officials had to check ID's before letting anyone back on board.

Q: What does the average University of Michigan student get on his SAT?
A: Drool.

Q: What do you get when you breed a groundhog and a University of Michigan?
A: Six more weeks of bad football.

Q: What should you do if you find three University of Michigan fans buried up to their neck in cement?
A: Get more cement.

General Schwarzkopf was walking through the desert during the Gulf War when he found a lamp on the ground. He picked it up, rubbed, and out came a genie. The genie said to the General, "I will grant you one wish." The General replied, "I wish that we will win this war. Here is a map of the desert and all the war parties. Please make us win the war." The genie responded, "I'm not that powerful of a genie. I cannot grant you that wish." "Well," the General responds, "then can you have University of Michigan win a bowl game this year?" After a moment, the genie says, "Let me see that map again."

Q: How do you make University of Michigan cookies?
A: Put them in a big Bowl and beat for 3 hours.

Q: What do you get when you cross a University of Michigan fan and a pig?
A: Nothing. There's some things that a pig will not do.

Q: How many University of Michigan freshman does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None, it's a sophomore course.



Q. What did the Michigan graduate say to the Ohio State graduate?
A. "Welcome to McDonald's. May I take your order, please?"



Did you hear about the Wolverine fan who was so upset that the Buckeyes beat Michigan that he tried to commit suicide by jumping out his basement window?



It was reported that Michigan head football coach Lloyd Carr will only be dressing twenty players for the Ohio State game. The rest of the players will have to get dressed by themselves.





Q: How do you get a Michigan grad off of your front porch?
A: Pay him for the pizza.



Q: What's the only sign of intelligent life in Ann Arbor?
A: Columbus: 187 Miles



Four college alumni were climbing a mountain one day: an Ohio State grad, a Michigan grad, a Penn State grad, and a Notre Dame grad. Each proclaimed to be the most loyal of all fans at their alma mater. As they climbed higher, they argued as to which one of them was the most loyal of all. They continued to argue all the way up the mountain, and finally as they reached the top, the Notre Dame grad hurled himself off the mountain, shouting "This is for the Fighting Irish!" as he fell to his doom. Not wanting to be out done, the Penn State grad threw himself off the mountain proclaiming, "This is for the Nittany Lions!" Seeing this the OSU grad walked over and shouted "This is for the Buckeyes!" and pushed the Wolverine off the side of the mountain.



A guy in a bar leans over to the guy next to him and says, "Wanna hear a Michigan joke?" The guy next to him replies, "Well before you tell that joke, you should know something. I'm 6' tall, 200 lbs., and I am a Michigan grad. The guy sitting next to me is 6 ' 2" tall, weighs 225, and he's a Michigan grad. The fella next to him is 6 ' 5" tall, weighs 250, and he's a Michigan grad. Now, you still wanna tell that joke?" The first guy says, "No, not if I'm gonna have to explain it three times."




GO BUCKS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 18, 2005, 02:28:10 PM
There's seriously not a better place to do that?  Wow. 

I was listening to Rome at lunch today...some Buckeye fan called in railing all things Wolverine.  Really not a bad call until he got to a score prediction.  Jeff in Columbus called it....OSU is going to roll it up on UM by a final score of 27 to 27. 

The next hour's worth of calls and emails were priceless.  I can't make this stuff up....it's on the webpage.  Check it out.

http://www.jimrome.com/home.html

The one thing that Michigan has always been able to hold over OSU (other than their monstrous edge in the overall series) is that UM is a better school than OSU (it is) and that UM kids are smarter than OSU kids (they are).  Then Jeff comes on and proves the point.  Awesome, awesome stuff....this all coming from a guy (me) who could care less who wins that game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 18, 2005, 03:15:59 PM
Agreed, Wally, but alot of it is funny--some good material for The Bell Game chat room next year?  One wonders how long the Ohio folks have been collecting the list, or how the Ann Arbor list of jokes compares?  Those of us who live in southern Indiana have a similar list for our friends across the river in Kentucky.  Oh, well...

Michigan by 7 (UofM that is) ... while WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS!! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on November 18, 2005, 04:08:29 PM
formerd3db:

See you beneath the scoreboard at end of 1st half.
Full response to you on the North Coast board.
Travel safe.  See you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 18, 2005, 09:14:18 PM
Good luck to Albion tomorrow!  (Hard for an ALMA grad to say that!)  Represent the MIAA well.  As many have said on this board, it should be a good game with two great programs.  Go Brits!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 19, 2005, 04:12:49 AM
An alma grad huh, theres nothing wrong with that.  The Great Coach Pete Schmidt was an Alma Grad and went on to coach Albion College, and give us our lone national championship (1994).  Anyway, it should be an interesting matchup coming up at noon.  I will definitely be there.  I was thinking about driving there myself, but we have fan transportation which leaves around 6am from our college.  We should be there by about 11ish or so.  I hope to see many of you there.  Remember my face will be painted purple...and you can't miss me.   Hope it ends up being a pleasant day of football!  Go Brits!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 19, 2005, 06:08:40 PM
Congrats to Albion on a great season.

My computer crashed and I had to listen to the Albion broadcast as the Wabash stream was tapped out. Your broadcast crew was good. Very knowledgeable and professional.

Thanks for the good game and good luck next year, Britons.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2005, 02:03:31 AM
Congrats to Albion for a valient effort today and representing our MIAA.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2005, 05:12:34 PM
Apparently Tri-State's Head Coach Frey has been released from duties.  The website lists an assistant as the interim head coach.  Anyone have info on this?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2005, 10:41:42 PM
Anyone?  What did you think about the All-MIAA selections last week?  I was somewhat surprised - not sure I agree with some of the selections.  But nonetheless, congratulations to all those selected to all the teams, 1st, 2nd and Honorable Mention.

BTW, wish some of you would join me here in some occasional discussion.  I'm going to get a complex in being "the lone poster" on our board if this continues! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on November 22, 2005, 04:11:18 AM
I was in Crawfordsville, Indiana, the game was definitely ugly.  I feel the first possession on offense for Albion really set the tone of the game.  With Wabash being up 7-0, Albion got the ball back, and they appeared to score a touchdown, but the referees ruled it incomplete (he didnt hold it long enough, and then dropped it).  There was a crucial point in the game when they were down 24-6, when Albion had a punt blocked and it was recovered in the end zone for a 31-6 lead.  Albion had chances, but Wabash was the more dominant team in the game.  Albion's defense was on the field way too long.  Our offense couldnt capatilize.  On the first possession from a possible touch down, an interception was thrown.  Giving a good effort is important, but in the final game story the only stat that matters is whether you scored more points than the other teams......and there was no W.  I congratulate Albion on winning the MIAA.  However, reality is, still the MIAA hasnt won a game since the playoffs expanded.  I don't know if the problem lies in recruiting, or is it that the region record is poor.  In order to prepare for the playoffs there must be a tougher non conference schedule.  MIAA teams are flopping like no other in the Football playoffs.  Since Albion won the 1994 National Championship, I believe no current member of the MIAA has won a playoff game.  Bottom line:  We need to be competetive in the playoffs, and hopefully have another team claim the hardware.  Our conference is seen weak in football, but I feel that it will improve.  I hope our conference will get the respectability as it does in basketball!     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 26, 2005, 03:21:51 AM
fd3db
I too was very surprised at some of the selections. Too dissapointed to post. Congrats to those that made the selections. Many names not on the lists that I think could have been there, many, many names that should have been switched around. Guess name recognition goes a long way in making the selections, as do repeat winners.

I will try to help you out in not being the lone poster but job duties have been changed and I find less time to even get to this site much less post.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2005, 07:04:41 PM
wlcalum:

I agree with you.  Unfortunately, in addition to those generalized situations you mentioned, the other is that old well known saying "to the victor goes the spoils" :( :P.  It happens in any conference in that many times, the title winning team gets the most players on the 1st team selections.  Unfortunately, when that happens, many players at the other schools who are really deserving of the honors are not chosen, such as players who lead the league in various categories like interceptions, receiveing, etc. etc.  I could cite many examples over the years, but it happend even last year as well.  All that being said, as I alluded to in my post, I am not intending to trivialize or bash anyone of those who were selected.  Certainly it is a great honor and congrats to them.  They were picked and that's the way it is and always has been.

Thanks for the help in keeping our board "somewhat" active!  I know what you mean about the time factor.  I am surprised that many of our other friends/colleagues here on our board have not been as active this year.  However, like you, they've probably got other important issues to attend to and that's okay.  I don't want to be the monopolizer here, nor do I want others to think that I don't have other important things to do either because I do have a life outside this board/website ;D.,  Yet, I do enjoy conversing and posting with all of you here.  Like most, it is a way to continue enjoying being connected to the dIII football we love, and perhaps a means to "get away from the 'rat race' we all face each week" from time to time.  Anyway, just keep posting as you can, if/when time allows; your input here is always appreciated.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 27, 2005, 07:55:37 PM
wlcalum and formerd3db:

The selections werent made under the old system.  Under the old system any team could nominate all the players it wanted, as opposed to teh new system where your selections are slotted based on your finish.  First gets 16, second 14 etc, im nto sure on exact numbers but similar to that and same style.  Therefore it puts coaches in the bad position of not necessarrily picking the kids that they want and would like to see get there, but rather the kids that they think have the best chance of getting selected.  Is it perfect no, but it is alot better than the old system where 4th and 5th place teams would nominate 10+ players.  This system also hurt because several times the players who deserved to get the votes often lost some of them to the large number of nominees.  As far as All MIAA teams go i dont think anyone is ever completely happy, no coaches ever walk away thinking that everyone they wanted to get ont he team actually got it.  Its an inexact science and yes to some degree it is a popularity contest and a name recognition issue, but oh well, thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2005, 08:43:10 PM
ADAWG:
Thanks for the update on how the changes are regarding the current selection process.  You are right; no system is perfect.  However, while I see your point about votes being spread out and taking away the chances of some players in the old system, I still don't see that this system solves it any better.  By limiting the number of slots to the lower teams, that still does not do justice to players who really deserve the accalodes.  In that sense I mean that regardless of the system, if some kid has led the league in some category big time, then I don't care who the head coach is, they know and should know that that player should be afforded the votes.  Just because some player was all-conf two or three years prior should not be an automatic.  Again, I've seen many times where players who should have made the 1st team did not only because their team finished at the bottom of the standings.  Yet as you say, politics get into it inadvertently most times; unfortunately not inadvetently at others :P.  I agree with you - that's the way life is, but doesn't mean it is right ;D  Nothing anyone can do about it though.  Besides, in most cases, a player [in this case we're talking about those who deserve 1st team status] knows deep down that he did his best for his team and whether he made an all-conf team or not isn't the end of the world.  It doesn't matter in the "long run" - i.e. in the game of life.  Nonetheless, I don't think it is wrong to voice an opinion on such matters. ;)

BTW, is the rule still in where a head coach can nominate his players but not vote for them? ???  Just curious. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on November 27, 2005, 09:18:35 PM
Gentlemen, I'm the rookie here, and so far I've read some interesting comments, and I highly respect everyones opinions so here goes.... In relation to the last couple of thoughts on the All MIAA sellections I agree that a lot of players that weren't on the first and second teams should have been. And it's to bad that teams like Wisconsin Lutheran and Tri State deserved to get a few more players recognized especially the Seniors that played for four years. Your comments were right on. It boils down to not only Coaching experience but how good the Coach prepares himself and does his homework before the All- Conference selections. Thanks for listening.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2005, 10:10:57 PM
Rookie:
Valid points.  Also, welcome to the board! We'll look forward to your future contributions to the various discussions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 28, 2005, 02:37:12 PM
formerd3db:

Yes the policy on coaches nominating but not being able to vote for your own players still stands, that wasnt one of the things that was changed in the new process.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2005, 04:21:22 PM
formerd3db:

Any truth to the rumor that you'll be the head coach at Tri State next year?  It may not be Olivet, but it's a start!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2005, 08:48:52 PM
You know I'd love to if that were possible! ;D  Maybe someday ::) ???.  Anyway, welcome to the board.  Hope you are doing well and had a nice Thanksgiving before you get "back to the grind".  We missed having you last week on the trip. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2005, 09:23:44 PM
It's going to be a major sprint to the finish, but I think I have a pretty good handle on how my exams are going be.  Wish I could have gone on that last road trip, but I had an absurd amount of reading to do.  Are you going to be making a trip to the DeVos anytime soon?  It looks amazing from the pictures.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2005, 09:58:34 PM
bulldogalum:
I know what you mean.  But good luck on your exams; I know you'll do fine (although obviously, they are no fun to go through ::)).  I hope to get over there sometime soon although not exactly sure when; perhaps over Christmas break when they have the annual tournament.  Yes it looks awesome (I heard it from good sources too  :-X) I am considering going to the Stagg Bowl.  Again, good luck on exams- study hard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on November 28, 2005, 10:36:05 PM
FORMER 3DB,
I WAS LOOKING BACK AT THE 2004 ALL-AMERICAN PICKS AND I CAME ACROSS AT LEAST TWO FROM ADRIAN... GRANTED THESE ARE EXTREMELY QUALTIY FOOTBALL PLAYERS BUT WITH ADRIAN COMING IN BEHIND ALBION FOR THE LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP HOW DID THEY GET SO MANY 1ST TEAM ALL MIAA PLAYERS? ALSO, THERE IS GOT BE A THIRD TEAM MIAA BECAUSE THE QB FROM HOPE DID NOT CERTAINLY DESERVE JUST AN HONORABLE MENTION. HE'S A FINE QB. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2005, 11:12:15 PM
Rookie: 

Adrian was a pretty good team this year, they beat Albion, and had a better overall record (8-2).  I, for one, was glad to see so many Bulldogs on the All-MIAA teams ;).  As to the Hope QB, he is a very good player, and deserving of a spot on the All-MIAA team, but it's pretty hard to place him above Wasil, who was a multi-year starter on the conference champion Briton team, and Brehm of Alma, who set all sorts of records up there.  There's certainly no shame in being behind those two guys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2005, 11:14:27 PM
Also, this year, a third team might have been nice, but I'm not sure that it would be necessary every year.  This year's MIAA was about as balanced as I've seen, so it had to be especially difficult to name the all conference teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 29, 2005, 04:11:11 PM
Very interesting the way they now pick the teams. So if your team finishes with the best record you get the most votes? That should not mean that you flood the pool with your players. (if that happens)

It doesn't seem too hard to me for a coach(s) to run down the stat sheet and make some pretty educated picks. Seems to me also, that the teams are picked pretty fast. I was going to take a week and really digest the stats and give my picks but was beaten to the punch. Guess the coaches do need a life after football to get along with.

All good commments and discussion. Welcome to the board Rookie.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on November 29, 2005, 07:28:13 PM
WLCALUM,
HEY THANKS. WELL SPOKEN. ACTUALLY I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT I THINK THAT MOST OF THE SELECTIONS (FOR THE ALL-MIAA FIRST AND SECOND TEAMS) WERE ALREADY MADE BY SOME COACHES FOR THE FOUR TOP TEAMS BEFORE THE LAST REGULAR SEASON GAME. DO YOU KNOW IF THEY PICKED A "COACH OF THE YEAR "FOR THE MIAA CONFERENCE? IF SO, GENTLEMEN... WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHO IT SHOULD BE? THANKS FOR LISTENING.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 29, 2005, 09:14:57 PM
I'll give coach of the year to Rundle, even though that seems the obvious pick, being league champs and all.  But Albion started out 1-3, and Rundle did a great job getting those guys to keep their heads up, and making them refuse to quit.  Sure enough, 6 wins later, they're getting rings.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 30, 2005, 09:09:13 PM
I'll go with Kreps from Hope. Only one game away from winning it all. Good job to all the top teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 30, 2005, 09:27:58 PM
rookie, wlcalum and bulldogalum:

Good discussion.  My apologies for not replying sooner.  Rookie, I have to agree with bulldogalum on the QB league selection.  Hope's QB Schwander is a very good QB.  However, while he had some good games, overall, he did not have a banner year - too many INTs, rushed decisions.  The other QB's selected overall played better and Wasil deserved the top spot.  I also agree with wlcalum that a third team is not necessary.  Honorable metion is still a well deserved selection for players.

Traditionally, that is how it has been i.e. the team who finishes with the best record getting the most slots chosen.  I don't necessarily agree with that, particularly with it now being set up that way.  On the other hand, that does not mean it is not appropriate for a team that wins the title to get the most slots in any given year, provided the stats and observed play of those players warrants it.  All I'm saying is that it should not be automatic on a routine basis.  Unfortunately, it somehow occurs that way.  Nor am I suggesting that selecting all league teams is not an easy task by any means - I'm sure all the head coaches realize that and, certainly, they want to promote their own players as best as possible, even though they cannot vote for them.  But, if they did not really "do their homework" in reviewing this before the actuall meeting for selections, that would not be the best situation.  Not saying that happened as I obviously do not know.  I would have to agree though, that this year's meeting took place a little sooner than it usually does.  No doubt there was a legit reason for this.

As for coach of the year - yeah, a tough choice also.  Agree that Rundle is the logical choice but, indeed Kreps and perhaps Lividotti deserve consideration. 

Anyway, good to see that our board is starting to get some participation in discussion, even if it is now post-season.  We have a long way to go to catch up with the other boards as far as pages!  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: earlhamalum on December 01, 2005, 12:27:56 AM
What does the Karma thing Stand for?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 01, 2005, 02:25:39 PM
earlhamalum:

Since you are new to the board (welcome BTW!), we'll cut you some slack on this! ;D  Pat (webmaster) has mentioned this before, but nonetheless, you can go to Frequently asked questions on the main page of this website for more detailed explanation.  Basically, though, it is a way for posters to rate others posters comments either good or bad i.e. applaud or smite (for example, if someone made a really inappropriate comment that was out-of-line, that would qualify for a "smite" i.e. a minus 1 Karma).  The only qualification is, though, to my understanding, is that Pat has made the privilege of this rating system only available to "verteran" posters on this website.  Once a person reaches a certain amount of postings or as determined by the webmaster, they apparently are then allowed the privilege of giving  :) (or taking away :() karma.  Hope that helps.  We'll look forward to your postings in the future either here, on your own board and/or all of them!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 01, 2005, 08:44:24 PM
FORMERD3DB
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON WHAT YOU SAID A LIITLE WHILE AGO ON MAKING ALL-CONFERENCE (ALL-MIAA) YES, IT'S TRUE THAT IF A FOOTBALL PLAYER HAS THE STATS AND GETS OVERLOOKED BY OTHER COACHES HE SHOULD KNOW DEEP IN HIS HEART THAT HE IS TRULY DESERVING OF BEING ONE OF THE BEST AT HIS POSITION. FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE FINISHING MY HIGH SCHOOL CAREER I DID NOT HAVE THE STATS AS A BLOCKING  FULLBACK... BUT AS LINEBACKER LED OUR TEAM IN TACKLES (125) THEREFORE, I MISSED OUT ON THE SO CALLED ALL AREA TEAM AND WATCHED DEJECTEDLY AS A SOPHMORE FROM OUR TEAM WALKED AWAY WITH THE HONORS. OUR COACH RESPONDED BY GIVING ME THE MVP HONORS. NO IT'S NOT THE END OF LIFE, BUT IT STICKS WITH YOU FOR A LONG TIME. HOW ABOUT  A NORTH BOWL ALL STAR GAME IN MICHIGAN? I THINK IT'S LONG OVERDUE... AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY OF RECOGNIZING GREAT ATHLETES IN OUR AREA. OH, BY THE WAY... MY COACH OF THE YEAR GOES TO TERRANCE BROOKS UP DOWN AT "K" COLLEGE. WHY? BECAUSE LIKE USUAL THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS AGAIN... AND IT LOOKED LIKE HE GOT THE BEST OUT OF JUST THREE OR FOUR STARTING SENIORS ON THE TEAM. SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE KREPPS FOR ALMOST SURPRISING EVERONE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 01, 2005, 10:18:27 PM
Rookie: 

Not to steal FormerD3DB's question, but I'll throw a response at you.  It seems like it's the very nature of all conference teams, and unfortunately so, that every year, some deserving players are left out.  I don't think anyone is thrilled with it, but it's the nature of the beast. 

However, I don' t know how the rest of the forum feels, but it seems to me that these individual awards aren't what it's all about.  At the end of the day, the question should be "did you do everything you could to make your team the best it could be?"  If the answer to that is "yes," then the rest is just icing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2005, 04:03:13 PM
Rookie and bulldoglaum:
Well said.
An Sr. All-star game for the state's DII-DIII schools would be great.  Unfortunately, I doubt it would get much support among the various schools administrators (the fans, yes; administrators, no :()

BTW, guys, were finally starting to build pages regarding the posts!  But we still have a loooooooooog way to go to catch up with the other boards. ::)

Anyone see that Akron/NIU MAC Championship game last night?  A great game and a great story on Akron's head coach.  I hope the Stagg Bowl is as exciting this year. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2005, 04:04:54 PM
Please excuse my poor grammar and punctuation on my last post.  I could use the "modify post" option that Pat mentioned, but...I was too lazy at this time! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 02, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
BULLDOGALUM,
HEY, LET'S PUT THIS SUBJECT TO REST FOR ME AND THE REST OF THE "UNSUNG HEROES" ESPECIALLY THOSE FOOTBALL PLAYERS THAT GAVE IT THEIR BEST. WELL SAID, AND PROBABLY WELL THOUGHT OUT BULLDOGALUM. HAVE YOU SEEN A LOT OF ADRIAN GAMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS? HOW ABOUT YOU FORMERD3DB? HAVE YOU SEEN HOPE PLAY THIS YEAR? I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED... THERE WAS A RUMOR GOING AROUND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE JUST OK... WITH A LOT OF YOUNG PLAYERS ON THE TEAM. A LOT OF SURPRISES THIS YEAR... I'LL BE WAITING FOR THE ALL-AMERICAN TEAM TO COME OUT SOON. ANY COMMENTS ON ANY NOMINATED PLAYERS? THANKS FOR LISTENING.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 02, 2005, 05:47:02 PM
Is it just me or is it really hard to read Rookies posts written all in caps?

I too wouild like to see an all senior bowl in the MIAA. Would be some really great talent out there on the field. Give the guys another chance to shine. Most players I talk to would give most anything to keep their careers going.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2005, 09:11:47 PM
Rookie:
Yes, I saw most of Hope's games this season.  Kind of "rollarcoaster" ride, however, as you and others pointed out, they did not give up and played hard at the end.
BTW, if I may, just let me say that per protocol, you are not supposed to post in CAPS on the website - Pat's rule.  It is called "shouting".  Since you are new to the board, you wouldn't have known.  Just a reminder.  Anyway, thanks for your input here - your posts are appreciated.  Keep contributing.

wlcalum:
I know what you mean.  That applies to some of us "old guys" as well! ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 02, 2005, 10:53:35 PM
fd3db
Hey I.m an old guy too...the bifocals were driving me crazy. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 03, 2005, 02:35:06 PM
Rookie:

I try to make it to several Adrian games every year.  Unfortunately, I've only been able to make it to 2 or 3 the past few years.  I actually went to more Albion games this year than Adrian games (I've got a brother on the team). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 04, 2005, 05:20:42 PM
bulldogalum,
My apologies for the shoutng... thanks for the tip. What position does your brother play for Albion. Can you tell me if Albion has a JV team and how many players they carry? Will he start next year? How does he like coach Rundell? Just curious. He must have gotten his Championship ring too...
I saw the last play of the Akron game.. what a finish!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 04, 2005, 05:57:26 PM
Rookie:

My brother is a TE for Albion.  He's a junior with sophomore eligibility.  He's got a pretty good shot at starting next year, if he can put on a few pounds (he was more of a WR in HS, and has since tried to put on TE weight).  He likes Rundle, but it seems to an outsider like me that Rundle is either the kind of guy that you either love or hate (most of his players love him).  They do have a JV team, but I'm not sure what kind of numbers they have.  I think there are over 100 players on the whole roster.  They don't cut anyone, although some players cut themselves.  He'll be getting his ring in the spring, I think.  They have to be designed and ordered and all that stuff, but I'm sure he'll be thrilled to get it.  Of course, if his head gets too big, I'll remind him that Adrian has beaten his Britons for 4 straight years ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 06, 2005, 07:26:12 PM
A junior with sophomore eligability - over 100 on the roster -

Wish we had that problem - Think this year we actually left a couple players behind for the road games. Years past we had to take the full team.
Will take many more years before we get a year less eligability for our players or even over 100 on the team. Thats where recruicing comes to play and we are a very small college with no history...so to speak.
Some very successful players... who have yet to get the recognition deserved from the MIAA. That too won't happen as we are a lame duck team.
Sound pretty negative as I reread this post but not meant to be...evcept for the recognition part.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 06, 2005, 08:42:17 PM
Wlcalum,
I know exactly what your talking about. Sometimes it takes a while to build a successful football program because of the turnover in coaching and small college academic/athletic politics. Coming from a very small Catholic school south of Detroit, we were a powerhouse with only 30 players. I wish you luck with gaining the advantage and recognition in the MIAA. One day those teams with like for example "K" college will turn it around. Like the old saying goes, "you can only put 11 players on the field at a time." I'm for the underdog. Also, I know of a few players that didn't go to the MIAA first place teams basically because they wanted to play more for a college that needs players. Interesting. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 06, 2005, 08:58:13 PM
I have no doubt WLC will be able to build a strong program in the years ahead.  They've improved quite a bit over the past few years.  It's all about getting some capable coaches in place that can sell the school, themselves, and their philosophy to recruits.  Tradition may be against them, but as Rookie pointed out, there are many kids who will go to a school that isn't a traditional power because they'll be able to get more playing time.  At any rate, good luck!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 07, 2005, 06:50:29 PM
I also think, when we move to the new conference after the 2007 season we will gain local press and that should really help with the number of players who will know about us.
I am excited about the talent increases in the past five years. We will lose a ton of players this year and have no freshman class to replace them. Hopefully the coaches get busy this spring and double the numbers we got last year or our program is going to go down the dumper real fast.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 09, 2005, 03:45:45 PM
bulldogalum,
Please help me out here... I was looking at the All-Region team today and saw D. J. Howard on the third team. His stats for a fresman is not very impressive. Granted he had a good year this year as a Sophmore-but All-Region? There are many, many Seniors that had decent careers for four yearsand good accumulative statistics. It appears like the votes are for one year only, and not accumulative. So what happens next year. Could he be picked as a Preseason All-American punt returner? There a lot players that start off on special teams as freshman and sophmores (they end up blocking punts, being leading tacklers, key fumble recoveries, interceptions ect.) Then as Juniors and Seniors move on to be captians of their team and lead them in several team categories. Shouldn't these be the ones that are nominated and selected? I'm just saying that one good year shouldn't make it All-Region. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 10, 2005, 11:31:56 AM
Rookie:

Trust me when I say that I'm far from an expert on the selection of All Region teams.  I guess my response depends upon what the goal of the All Region team.  If the goal is to celebrate career-long achievements, then D.J. probably shouldn't have been named to the team this year.  But if the goal is to recognize players who had outstanding seasons, then I think D.J. fits the bill quite nicely. 

As to where I stand, I think I'm more on the season by season basis.  I say this knowing quite well that career achievements do a great deal to make a player's achievements in a season, if for no other reason than that people already know who they are heading into the season and have high expectations from the outset.  But in theory, I think it's best to reward great seasons for these teams instead of good careers.  Of course, this opinion might be biased, as DJ is in the great season--and not the good career (yet)--category ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2005, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: ROOKIE on December 09, 2005, 03:45:45 PM
It appears like the votes are for one year only, and not accumulative.

Absolutely. It is the 2005 All-Region team, not a lifetime achievement award.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 11, 2005, 09:10:51 PM
Pat,
Questions for you... Is there an outside chance of any MIAA players making second or third team All-American even if he wasn't recognized on A.) All League or B.) an All Region team? I don't know what the protocal is. Also, do you think a coach could purposely leave out a well deserved All region player just to get him on the All-American team? If it does work out that way, then it's good strategy and "politics" on his part. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 11, 2005, 09:52:59 PM
Gotta put my congrats to UW Whitewater on here since they are kinda a sister school. Would be nice if they can win it all and earn some respect for the tough Wisconsin teams.

Had the athletic banquet today at WLC. Final time for our great senior class to recieve the recognition they so richly deserve. Good luck to all the seniors in the MIAA may you find success after college.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 19, 2005, 06:31:51 PM
Exciting to see Mike Lewis named as a First Team All-American.   He's a great talent and a good guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 19, 2005, 09:24:48 PM
bulldogalum,
Good stuff. I saw Adrian play two years ago. Mike looked big, fast, and strong. Congratulations to your alma mater. thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Tipps on December 19, 2005, 11:12:56 PM
I honestly don't know how many (if any) K-zoo folk peruse the board, but I came across an AP story about a new-ish program that gives Kalamazoo public school students a chance to get a free education at a state school. You all probably have heard of it by now, but I thought it was pretty interesting.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051217/SCHOOLS/512170324/1026/METRO

Is there any chance that a program like this could hurt recruiting -- in any sport -- at Kalamazoo College or some of the other private MIAA schools? Seems like a lot of graduating high schoolers could be tempted away from the private schools if they had an inexpensive or free education at their fingertips.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on December 22, 2005, 07:15:16 PM
formerd3db:

To you, your family, and all in the MIAA, I hope you all have the merriest of Christmases and Holiday Season.  I'm glad I had the opportunity to meet you in person during the playoffs, and look forward to exchanging comments for years to come.  I've got the D-III bug too--bad!

Special congrats to Adrian's Mike Lewis, for his season, and for his All-America selection.  Russ enjoyed meeting you in Mexico and complimented your play.  The USA defense in that game was amazing!  Best of luck as you go forward with the rest of your life.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 22, 2005, 08:03:45 PM
Bashdad:

Thanks very much my friend.  Allow me to return the same sentiments to you and your family; I wish you all a most enjoyable Christmas and New Year's holiday.  I, too, enjoyed meeting you in person and enjoy our correspondence along with your colleagues.  Congratulations again on Russ's fine season and career.  I'll look forward to keeping in touch with you and your NCAC board friends in the future as well.  All the best to you.

Also, Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all of the rest of you NCAC'ers as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 22, 2005, 08:08:59 PM
To all of my colleagues and friends here on the MIAA board, same goes to all of you - I wish each of you and your families/friends a most wonderful holiday season this weekend, week and next weekend.  Enjoy posting with all of you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 22, 2005, 11:27:39 PM
Indeed, Merry Christmas to everyone on the board.  It's been a fun year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on December 23, 2005, 06:48:19 PM
I also must add Merry Christmas to you all. May ythe blessings of this season be upon you and your families.

On another (sad) note - did any of you put up a holiday tree? I have a Christmas Tree  - and will spend my time in Church enjoying the true message of Christmas.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on December 24, 2005, 09:18:31 AM
To:formerd3db, bulldogalum, wlcalum,
Gentlemen. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! It's been a good learning experience for me the last month. Let's keep this board going.
You guys are first class. Thanks. The Rookie.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 24, 2005, 02:46:10 PM
To all:

Havent been on in a while but as it is now the Christmas season I have some time to post.  Just wanted to wish a merry christmas to all and have fun but be safe ringing in the new year!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2006, 12:05:43 PM
DAWG:

Hope things are going well for you and that you had a nice holiday break.  A couple of quick questions, as I saw recently the new announcements at Adrian regarding elevating men's lacrosse to a varsity sport (and adding women's lacrosse) and the new stadium.  First, from the announcement, it appears that the new stadium will be ready for this next season 2006?  If so, wow, that is a very fast time table for construction, unless construction has started already.  Nonetheless, as much as I like Maple Stadium and it having served the college well over the last 30 years or so, it is great to see that Adrian will have an on-campus stadium returning back like in the "really old days" of old Alumni Field there.    Much better for the student body and just more of that "old college tradition".

Secondly, with Adrian elevating men's and women's lax to full varsity status, perhaps the other MIAA schools will follow their lead.  I think that is great.  Hope (and Alma more recently) have had Club Lacrosse for years with Hope's being almost nearly a varsity sport as far as its organization structure.  Way back when I was there, I remember Hope's team playing several DI schools on Spring Break down south (like Clemson, John's Hopkins, etc.) and while they got "killed" in the score, it was great experience for coming back and playing the state schools that had lacrosse (like U of M which has their lacrosse as "Varsity Club" designation which is between a club status and a full varsity status; unfortunately MSU has discontinued their program - they should restart it).

Finally, are you going to be back with Adrian staff this fall or is it time to move on in your career?  Just curious.  Best to you this year and whereever you end up, please keep in touch with us here. 

Bulldogalum:
Would like to hear your thoughts about Adrian's new announcements too!  Hope your holiday with family was enjoyable.

Rookie:
You've been kind of quiet during the holidays here (but then again, so have the rest of us on our MIAA board!)  Hope all is well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: has been coach 1 on January 02, 2006, 03:27:09 PM
Heard Tri-State hired a local High School guy with No DIII recruiting experience at all. Was also a indoor football league coach.

Heard they paid him $48,ooo and gave him two full time assitants that will make $25,000........

Dosen't sound like to much of a commitment from the administration to turn things around there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 03, 2006, 12:05:47 AM
formerd3db:

I probably don't know as much as DAWG about the timetable for finishing the stadium, as I'm not around campus as much anymore, but from what I've heard they're expecting the facility to be finished in time for next season.  My reaction was the same as yours--that's pretty quick.

At any rate, I'm thrilled to see that we're putting a stadium on campus.  When I was there, there were plenty of people that made it to games, but many students just stayed in their rooms, opting not to make the trip across town to watch a game at the Mape.  By putting a stadium on campus, we'll be able to get more of those lazy students out to the games. 

As for lacrosse, I think it's great that we're making it a varsity sport.  I made it out to a game or two last year (Adrian's first season), and it was very exciting to watch.  I certainly hope other MIAA schools will follow suit.  Lacrosse could be an exciting addition to the spring schedule.

As to DAWG returning to the Adrian sidelines, I certainly hope he does for Adrian's sake, but if a better offer comes along, I would hope he'd take it. ;D

Christmas up north was a good time.  My parents were sure to show me your Christmas card, looked good except for all the Hope attire ;).  Hopefully you had a fine holiday season as well.

Now, I'm waiting on the results of my exams from the fall, they should be posted this week sometime.  All this waiting makes it difficult to enjoy all the great bowl games on TV. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2006, 09:46:22 PM
bulldogalum:

Good to hear from you.  Thanks for your thoughts about your alma mater's "new digs" and sports program expansion.  I agree with your assessment - it can't but help Adrian.  They need to get enrollment up above 1000 for next year and hopefully that will help with both student-athletes and non-athletes.

Glad to hear you had a nice Christmas and New Year's holiday.  Glad you liked our card also ;D.  Sorry you guys couldn't go to the Motor City Bowl with us - we missed having you, but I certainly understand.  Also, good luck on the results of your exams.  I know how anxious that can be waiting and thus less able to enjoy the bowl games and such more.  However, I am confident you will have done well.  We always think we do worse than we actually do most times.  Anyway, keep the faith in ALL aspects.  Keep in touch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2006, 09:47:26 PM
wlcalum:
Hope your holidays were good.  What's the latest, if you've heard anything, on WLC program recruiting, etc.??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 04, 2006, 02:12:42 PM
fd3db

Holidays were great thanks, but did not talk football over the holidays. I would hope they are out pounding the bushes for kids.
I know there are some really good players here in north east wi who could make an impact right away. Would have thought the coaches would have tasked the players to make an appearence at their old hs to talk to some recruits but did not hear of any contact. I know some word has gotten around about WLC up here but most are scared away by the initial cost. Wish they would check into the aid available before saying no right away. I'm glad we did.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ROOKIE on January 04, 2006, 10:43:46 PM
formerd3db,
Come to think of it, yeah I have been pretty low key over the Holidays.But Ihave been watching and listening to everything that's been posted lately. Speaking of Adrians "old" Maple Stadium can you give me a little history about it. Doesn't Adrian High School play there too? Back to the question posted a few weeks ago... I don't know if "K" College will affected by recruitment in that area because of the new tuition policy in that area of the state. You know it's good to see how well the MIAA tradition keeps going year after year. There was a magazine that was given to me during the football season... it was really cool because it had the history of the MIAA and greatest games ever played. I'll have to dig it for you guys and post some of the stories in it. Later. Take care. Thanks for your thoughts. Rookie.
PS Who is DAWG? A coach for Adrian??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 05, 2006, 05:57:10 PM
formerd3db:

I hope the christmas season and the new years were kind to you and that all is well in your neck of the woods.  First off for the stadium from what I am hearing, the ground between the 13th and 16th of this month.  The weather is treating us well for this plan and the final plans are al most finished from the word ive heard passed down.  The beauty of building the stadium is that we will be digging down 7 feet which is well below the frost line and which will allow a head start before the spring. As it stands the real bulk of work on the stadium is to be done from March to September.  The agreement which I have heard from the powers that be is that at the very least the stands, locker rooms, bleachers and lights will be done and ready to go for our first game of the season.  THis is a promising future for the program and once fully completed will give us facilities that are the best in the league.  After the stadium is done there will be numerous other improvements, the track will begin in the spring and baseball, softball, swimming pool and hockey rink are all to follow. 

As for the lacrosse program a coach willbe hired soon but the sport will still be club level for the 2006 season and it is supposed to be varsity starting in 2007.  It would be beneficial for us to have the rest of the league follow suit, however lacrosse is a growing sport down in Ohio so we will have some help in that area.  It should only help build the enrollment and improve the school as a whole. 

As for my location next year, I plan on being back with the Adrian staff and am looking to hopefully advance my position a bit from this year.  However time will tell what happens with any of the jobs at the college and that time will be coming shortly.  I do know that I would hate to have been a part of the program for the last 5 years and not get to see its rebirth in 2006.  The product weve been putting n the field is good and now the facilties will finally catch up.  My goal at the moment is to gain some more experience in a farmiliar locale and then take it and run, so in final answer im hoping to parlay my current job hopefully into a two year gig or so, baring something better coming on the radar but from what I hear i dont know if thats gonna be possible for other places to compete for a while with some of the packages ive heard mentioned for our staff next year.

Its an exciting time for the college and also for the league.  It was nice to see the presidents vote to allow us use of a football in our non traditional spring practices so that we are now creeping towards equal footing with other leagues in the area.  I wouldnt mind seeing our number of non traditional dates jump from the 9 the MIAA allows now to the 15 allowed by the NCAA, but all in due time hopefully.  I think the new president here at Adrian may help to change some thinking I hearhe played a large role in passing the ball usage in spring practice and hee brings some new ideas and a great attitdue to the league and to our campus.

Thats about all ive got for now.  Hope I answered some of your questions for ya!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 06, 2006, 03:50:13 PM
Rookie:
Sounds like you had good holidays.  Sometimes "low key" is better!  Ours were like that this year.  Regarding your questions:  Maple Stadium is a nice stadium, "bowl" type atmospehere to play in; many colleges and high schools would "give their eye teeth" to have such nice facilities.  The college has shared it with the h.s. for over three decades.  However, as our [Adrian] colleagues here on the MIAA board have noted, it is time for Adrian to return to an "on campus" stadium - will be very good for the students and just the "plain" old college football tradition atmosphere there.

DAWG is a former Adrian standout fb player who now is on the coaching staff there.  He is a good regular contributor to the board here - during the "off season" of course, as he adheres to the accepted protocol of current players, coaches, staff, etc. avoiding of posting during the season ;).  Off season posting for those people is acceptable, however. ;D  BTW, hope you enjoy the MIAA  history in the magazine - some very interesting stories over all the years.


DAWG:
Good to hear from you.  Holidays were low-key here at our "end of the woods" but that's okay and enjoying family during that time and celebrating the true reason is the most important.  Hope yours was good.

Certainly exciting to see all the new changes taking place at Adrian.  Glad to hear you will be back there again and sounds like you have a good long range "game plan" for your personal future career.  We'll look forward to seeing the new stadium next season.  Also, it is encouraging to know that the league presidents finally voted in common sense with regard to the use of a football during spring workouts.  There is no reason not to, yet still be able to keep the overall traditional perspectives in context.

Yes, I hope the rest of the league will follow in upgrading lacrosse.  Hope has a stable program (I believe Alma's is also).  Thanks again and keep in touch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 09, 2006, 03:58:15 PM
Being somewhat new to DIII football - why is it that hoops and baseball can have such involved"practices/games" to get ready for the season, yet we just now get to run drills with a football this year? The MIAA has a rich football history yet "dropped the ball?" when it comes to keeping up with the other sports.

It is great to see that most of the football fields are being improved,

Wish we had room on campus to put our new complex. We need to get a move on finishing our complex. Locker rooms, showers, home grandstand, restrooms instead of port-a-poties, would be nice.  :)

Any snow across the border there guys? It's all melted here in WI. Fog report says we will get hammered end of Feb first of March. Will see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 09, 2006, 09:57:22 PM
wlcalum:

The line of thinking which I have heard from other coaches and Athletic Directors in the league is that due to the fact that Football is the most popular and also the biggest in terms of program size that it is also the most legislated.  This is true at every level from Division I all the way to Division III, the Division I baseball season with the College World Series stretches deep into the summer, well past school calendars.  As it stands the MIAA jsut this year allowed usage of footballs in spring practices but we are still operating 6 days below the NCAA allowed number of days.  This is mainly due to the fact that administrators in the MIAA see the league as being superior academically to these other leagues and thus not wanting to take away from the educational aspect of college.  This reasoning is noble however when we hear administration sources talk of how the MIAA needs to be better represented in the postseason and what not, those same people must first allow the programs in our league which are all good programs the same equal footing as the competition.  Until the day that happens the MIAA will be playing from behind as 6 days may not seem alot, but when installing base offenses and defenses it can be the difference between useful camp time and simply wasting time teaching the basics and base plays.  At least those are my thoughts on it, any others would be welcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 10, 2006, 03:00:38 PM
Seems to me, DAWG, that if league administrators are going to place an emphasis on postseason success, eventually they have to allow the programs to start on equal footing with their competition.  The MIAA is one of the strongest academic conferences in DIII, but I don't see how 6 more days will cause huge academic disruptions.  The league has come a long way, though.  I'm sure formerd3db could tell better stories than I about when the MIAA refused to enter NCAA playoffs at all due to a sense of academic pride (we're students, not athletes, they seemed to say).  Thank goodness we've balanced things a bit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 10, 2006, 07:14:55 PM
wlcalum:
Regarding your other post, I wasn't aware (or perhaps forgot ???) that WLC's new facility was not on campus?  Nonetheless (and regardless of the context of what we've been discussing concerning that issue at Adrian), at least WLC has a very nice new facility and it can only help with recruiting student-athletes in the future there as you mention and point out.

DAWG, bulldogalum, and wlcalum:

All valid points on the spring football use in the MIAA.  I would have to agree that I don't believe that six more days in spring football workouts with the use of a football (or for that matter with or without a football) is going to have any detrimental effect on the academic aspects of the student-athletes.  They know their responsibilities and besides. . .the spring sport athletes are engaged in much more days/time that those who would be participating in spring football and who are therefore not involved in the "regular" season of that sport obviously at that time.  That argument (i.e. against having the additional 6 days) doesn't make sense, nor do I think it is valid.  On the other hand, at least the MIAA has taken a step to make a comprimise, unlike the NESCAC. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 11, 2006, 03:52:37 PM
As with any learning institution, elementary school through college, education comes first and extra curricular activities are second. We can all agree on that!
I believe we also are all proud of the fact the MIAA is storied in education. That being said - paying as much as we do for our education, how many kids put more into sports than they do the books? Not many I would bet. While some kids will come to a school for the sports program, the vast majority are there for the sheepskin. Now should DIII ever award scholarships for sports...  ;D

I cannot see where six extra days of organized practice in the spring for our football program would affect book learning one bit. The benefits to our football programs would be huge. Lets hear more talk from our alum to get these things rolling.

Is football the only sport in the MIAA operating under the maximum allowed days of practice? Do the other sports use their full number of days?

fd3db - The sports complex is only about 4 blocks away from the college(half a mile or so). No room near campus unless they bulldoze houses and a hospital.  8)  You can see the big screen from Hwy45 when driving in from the north. Driving in from the south, Bluemound Road is the campus exit - Watertown Plank Road (the very next exit) is the complex exit. Keep imroving those facilities!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 11, 2006, 10:24:38 PM
WLCalum:
Valid points.  Also, your stadium being only 4 blocks away then, is really not that far and thus, certainly much different situation than was at Adrian.  Most likely, in future years, WLC will probably have the opportunity to buy land between the stadium and current campus, thereby expanding it to include the complex.  That indeed, is what has essentially happened at Hope, with the new huge Fieldhouse and campus expansion to the athletic fields soccer, baseball, track, indoor tennis complex, athletic training building buy the fields and football stadium which are at that end of the campus now. 

Flea Shooter:
It will remain to be seen if the other MIAA colleges follow suit regarding elevating their club lacrosse teams to varsity sports and even perhaps reinstating women's field hockey which was a huge sport with good traditon in the MIAA for many years.  That was dropped when women's soccer was added, but I would like to see that sport reinstated.  The eastern DIII schools still have it and so should the MIAA schools.
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Post by: wlcalum on January 12, 2006, 08:00:43 PM
fd3db ;D ;D ;D

Think that the DOT would have a BIG problem with WLC tearing down Hwy45 to ajoin the campus and complex. In all actuality I do belive the campus and complex are in two different cities. One is in Milwaukee and the other is in Wauwatosa. Even some of the campus housing is in different cities as you have to get an overnight parking pass from both depending what side of the street you park on. Only numerous parking tickets on different streets teach you those lessons. Life in the big city... ain't it great.  ::) ::) ::) Give me a couple acres in the north country, surrounded by trees, and you would never see me again.  8)
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 23, 2006, 07:15:33 AM
I am a 5th year senior at Albion College.  It would have been nice to graduate in 05, but coming back for another year, I saw some great MIAA football.  The league got pretty tight, and in the end Albion prevailed.  However, it was another year of struggle for the MIAA, as Albion wasn't able to pull through with a win in the playoffs against Wabash College, as they fell in Crawfordsville, Indiana 38-20.  I hope one day in the near future the competition will soon rise, and we will be at the same playing field as other schools.  There isn't any real constitency that I have seen, as such the case in basketball, where the MIAA is deemed as one of the best conferences, if not the best.  For Football, we are seen to be at the very bottom.  I dont know if recruiting poses an issue.  I have a dream of an MIAA team lifting the hardware sometime in the future, but right now we need to focus on just having a team win a game in the playoffs.

Even though that mystical playoff win didn't come, I was glad to see the competition in the MIAA.  I was able to travel to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where I saw Albion battle it out against Wisconsin Lutheran.  Might I say, I was very impressed with the stadium.  The warriors have a very nice field to play on.  I remember Wisconsin Lutheran used to play their games on University of Marquette's multi purpose field, but now Warriors fans can come to a stadium which they can call their own.  Also there was a nice big scoreboard, along with a screen which was playing animations.   In addition to that, the refs were miked up for the game.   It was cold, and rainy that day, but we all stuck through it to the end.  Oh yeah might I say I loved the Qdoba Grill....some great mexican food (they gave out for free, which is always a plus).

I also made the trip to Crawfordsville.  Man, what can I say, that stadium gets louder than any other stadium I have been to.  It had a lot of life to it.  The students were pretty into the game.  There were a lot of fans on the Albion side, which is always nice to see.   The game could have been something special, however that changed, as Shane Brogan couldnt hold on to the ball in the endzone.  Also the blocked punt didnt help either.  I felt there were just a lot of miscues that took place, and Albion didnt play their style of football.  Once they were rattled, it had an affect on the entire game. 

In all it was a good season for Albion, as they gained their first MIAA championship since 2001.  It was an exciting season for all the other teams involved too. 
I hope everyone has enjoyed the holidays.  I will be looking forward to another season of MIAA football, but as an alumn in Fall 06.

I am curious, as to who will be setting their eyes on an MIAA Championship run.   
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 23, 2006, 05:43:51 PM
Next year in the MIAA should be very interesting.  Unless I'm mistaken, most MIAA schools have to find new QBs, although I think Brehm is back for Alma.  Who will this affect the most?  I think Albion could have a hard time early, as Wasil has been the only QB for them for some time.  Hope should be strong, as usual, and I would imagine my Bulldogs will again be competitive in the league, especially with the opening of the new stadium.  Olivet was a dangerous team last year, will that continue next year?  Will they take a step up and win the conference? 

With Brehm back, Alma has to be the preseason favorite.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 23, 2006, 06:25:16 PM
Word out at the moment is that Albion has picked up a transfer from Tri-State University at the quarterback postion.  Further details will be posted later.  All I heard is he was at Tri State just briefly.  After an 0-10, 0-7 season, I am sure there have been some players 2nd guessing returning to Tri-State.  I believe Albion will feature Jake Wilson as the starting quarterback, as he will be a Senior in the fall.  He was mainly a backup to Wasil, and hasnt gotten many snaps in.  I haven't seen him in enough to make any assesments on his play.  However, many of his teammates say he should do well.  Just like the rest of the league, I agree there will be a shuffling of quarterbacks.  Nothing is set in stone, who will the Brits quarterback, but the front runner seems to be Jake Wilson at the moment.  He will have a hard time filling the shoes of departed QB Steve Wasil who finished his Senior season throwing 33 touchdowns, against only 12 picks, and 3,313 passing yards.

The fall should provide another year of MIAA Football at its finest.  I think this will be the year when the winless streak in the playoffs ends, and everyone can focus on bigger goals for the years to come.       
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Post by: wlcalum on January 23, 2006, 06:27:40 PM
albionmascot - thanks for the nice complements. We are really looking forward to having the complex finished. The food is good isn't it?!

bulldog - we are also bringing back our young QB. He will be a junior and learned a lot last year. With him takiing all the snaps lat year and the league leading running back returning we should have a fairly potent offense. Looking forward to the season.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 23, 2006, 08:02:35 PM
wlcalum:  No prob for the compliments.  You all have a start of an art football stadium.  So just curious, are refs are always miked up for the games?  Plus they must have spent a lot of money on the stadium.  I am curious as to how they were able to get funding for it.   Will the rest of the community play on it as well, such as the surrounding high schools?  I know you have been posting on the board for a little less than a year now, but so are you a former football player, or just a graduate, who supports Warrior football?

It was nice to have Wisconsin Lutheran in the league, too bad they are leaving the MIAA.  I know it must have been quite a hassle for traveling purposes, playing league games in Michigan.  I remember the first time I saw Albion play Wisconsin Lutheran, they had a fair share of fan support.  Now I am sure it will only continue from here.   I wish you well for next season.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 23, 2006, 10:39:56 PM
wlcalum:

Good to hear you have a returning QB.  I haven't yet gotten to see Wisconsin Lutheran, though hopefully next year I'll get a chance.  Seems like when they played at Adrian, I had other obligations on those days, and of course Albion had to go to your place this year, I couldn't quite make the trip.  I'm already excited to see some great football action next year.  Unfortunately it's quite some time before we get to that point. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on January 24, 2006, 12:24:12 AM
bulldogalum:  Do you know when Adrian College will be completing the new stadium?  Whats the status of the stadium, if you can give me any info, that'd be great. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 24, 2006, 09:11:26 AM
As far as I know, the plan is to play in the new stadium next season.  I don't know if the stadium will be fully completed at that point, but they're expecting to have the essentials finished.  They're building the stadium behind the Merillat Center, and they're digging down 7 feet to so as to create a distinct bowl effect around the entire field.  I'll be interested to see how far they've gotten by next fall.
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Post by: matblake on January 24, 2006, 01:03:49 PM
Taking a look at next year's schedule, the usual MIAA vs CCIW clashes are taking shape.  Looks like Olivet is playing both Illinois Wesleyan and Elmhurst.  Both Albion and Hope are taking on Wheaton.

Since Wheaton has played Hope frequently over the past 10 years or so and Albion was the Pool A from the MIAA, I am at least familiar with them.  However, I have not heard much about Olivet.  Are they still playing the single wing?  I think like 2 years ago they had a mammoth rushing attack?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 25, 2006, 06:32:19 PM
albion19

I would classify myself as a fan/supporter of WLC football. Never played for WLC but have a son who did and many friends of past and current players. Have been on this board for at least three years and reading it for about five. As long as WLC has had football. Think I got deleated when we changed over.

Yes the refs are miked for each game. Not sure of the financing aspect of the complex but do know donations, donations, donations. Have heard that the field could be used for local teams and other events. Still working on the details last I heard.

I never had a problem with the travel - except for the one time I overslept.  :( Driving through Chicago was the biggest hassle but got good at it over the years.  :) Will miss the fans of the MIAA. Really enjoyed the convesations I had with all the other alum. Will watch your progress after we leave next year. Looking forward to a quick summer and a new start to the football season.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on January 25, 2006, 10:00:20 PM
Albion picked up Freshmen transfer QB Zak Ford from Tri-State University.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 26, 2006, 05:18:24 PM
Don't know the kid, and not trying to be smart, but is this a great find for Albion getting a freshman qb from an 0-for team?
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 26, 2006, 10:14:47 PM
Excellent question, wlcalum.  I don't know anything about this kid either, but the fact that he wants to leave there after one year suggests that maybe he found their system to be less than desirable ???.  Perhaps he just wound up at the wrong place.  Of course, one could argue that he's not going to be the right place in Albion ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on January 27, 2006, 01:38:57 PM
How does the old saying go? The only good jobs are the one you are going to and the one you just left.  ;D
Hope it works out for the young man and for Albion and he gets a good education.

Another question for you all. How many of your guys head to Europe for summer football? I know of a couple from WLC who have gone in the past and a couple more going this year. Good experiances so far.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 27, 2006, 08:29:14 PM
Last summer Adrian went as a team to Ireland to play a game, and I think in the summer of 2002 they went to Spain.  It has been a great team builder over the past few years for the Bulldogs.
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Post by: wlcalum on January 27, 2006, 11:19:13 PM
Now that has to cost some major cash!! Do they budget for that? What a good thing to do to strengthen the team spirit. Go to Europe and see some sights, play some ball, and...  ;)
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 28, 2006, 10:57:15 AM
I know they do major fundraising to pay for that trip, and I think the players still have to pay some out of their own pocket.  The whole team doesn't necessarily go, but a good portion of the players make the trip.  They've had a great experience in the past, and I'm sure they'll continue that as often as the NCAA allows it.
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 29, 2006, 12:53:20 PM
To all speaking on Europe:

I know that Adrian has had two players in the past go over to play "proffesionally" in europe and that they both had good experiences.  As for the team trips we at Adrian take one every three years and as it stands are the only team in the area that regualrly ventures across the pond.  We have been to Spain(4 years ago) and Ireland last summer.  I was lucky enouigh to be part of these trips once as a player and once as a coach and I can say they are a great team building expeince.  On top of going overseas and beating up on some people who arent good at football yet, I got to see places I never would have seen which was nice.  We do a very good fundraising job for the trip, last year taking around 40 kids and raising over 40,000.00  as far as I know since all kids payed only about half of the price for the trip.
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Post by: bulldogalum on January 29, 2006, 02:16:16 PM
Thanks for the clarification, DAWG.  I should have passed the question to you to begin with.
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Post by: albinomascot19 on February 01, 2006, 07:40:02 AM
By the way about the freshmen transfer from Tri-State to Albion, it was a decision I believe he made on his own.  I havent met up with the guy, but I know hes here at Albion this semester.  I am not sure how he will fit into Albion's plans.  I heard from one guy he has a decent arm, but more than likely Jake Wilson will take over quarterback responsibility for his senior season.  I think Albion is going to have a lot to grapple with, especially with losing QB Steve Wasil.  Just have to see, what type of recruits Coach Rundle brings to campus in the fall, as they will definitely have an impact on the success for the Britons in the 2006 campaign. 
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 01, 2006, 09:29:13 AM
Hope looks like they might be in for a tough year next year, graduating the QB, their best WR's and now Booko has dropped out of school?  How are they gonna fill all those holes along with what they lose on the oline?  Coach Kreps always seems to make the most of his talent there but this looks like a pretty bare cupboard of skill position right now?
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Post by: wlcalum on February 01, 2006, 05:40:36 PM
Come on you guys... If I remember correctly you all had over 100 players on the roster!!  :) Granted not all are the caliber of what you lost, but try filling the holes with less than 70 guys on the roster like we have to do every year. Not complaining, just chiding a bit.

We will have to replace two outstanding O linemen, and our three best defensive players. We will be OK as we return the leagues best runnning back and a QB who improved greatly as a Soph. D will really have to step it up and stop the yards to give us a chance to break 500. Will be depending on some young and less experianced guys this fall. No worries mate.  ;D
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Post by: wlcalum on February 04, 2006, 07:00:49 AM
Anyone looking good for the pro combines? I really think Lewis from Adrian could make a go of it at the next level. Who elso do you see giving it a shot?

Were you aware the Steelers have a DIII player on the team? Kriewaldt was at Stevens Point - guess he is a special teamer but has started two games at linebacker this year. Wisconsin native and the local papers are touting his graces.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 05, 2006, 10:52:06 PM
Cody Rudolph is also going to a combine from Adrian.  In case the name doesn't sound familiar, he's an offensive lineman for the Bulldogs, and a darn good one. 
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Post by: bulldogalum on February 06, 2006, 11:04:12 PM
BTW, I was in Adrian this weekend, and was thrilled to see that construction had begun on the new football stadium.  There is currently a fleet of bulldozers standing on the field, ready to dig down 7 feet to create the bowl.  Exciting stuff.
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Post by: formerd3db on February 07, 2006, 04:50:41 PM
bulldogalum:
That is exciting to hear.  Keep us posted. 
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Post by: wlcalum on February 08, 2006, 01:44:03 PM
bulldogalum:

Good luck to your guys at the combines - hope they get noticed and give er a try.

Gotta ask, why would anyone want to be a O lineman? The only time you get noticed is when holding is called against you!  :o For the last two years we have had the leading rusher... this past year two of our O linemen only made the second team. Makes you wonder who opened those holes for our running back! Musta been the D linemen busting through.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 08, 2006, 01:56:06 PM
O linemen might not get the respect they deserve from fans, tv commentators, and outside observers, but I guarantee you their teammates appreciate their work.

As to why a person would want to be an O lineman, I would imagine everyone would prefer to be a QB, WR, or RB, but some people just aren't built for it.  Those folks still love football, and want to play.  So I guess they buy into the team concept...helping the team reach a higher level, while at the same time learning to love pancaking guys.
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Post by: bulldogalum on February 19, 2006, 07:12:45 PM
Well, a lot of dirt has been moved around at the yet-to-be-named-stadium-behind-the-Merillat-Center.  They're about 2 feet down in the main bowl, and at the moment it's kind of hard to imagine what the final product will look like, but it's good to see things moving along.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 20, 2006, 12:26:24 AM
bulldogalum:

Correction as of friday they are actually 7 feet fown in the majority of the bowl.  The one side has the bowl dug in already and the other half will be completed soon. THe diggins is going quickly and everyone at the college is excited to see things moving along so quickly. The promise has been made by all parties involved that we will be practicing on it in August and having an alumnis father being the construction manager isnt hurting our chances any!
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Post by: bulldogalum on February 20, 2006, 10:31:51 AM
Thanks for the update, DAWG.  From now on, I should leave the updating to you, as you're actually IN Adrian more often than once every few weeks!  BTW...how are the Bulldogs looking for recruits next year?
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 02, 2006, 07:48:58 PM
Adrian College Stadium Update:

Stadium digging is complete, footers were being poured for the facility today.  Final plans have come through, colors, tiles, everything. New 137 locker locker room, everything is looking great.  Front wall of stadium to be done in two weeks with framing of building complete in march and turf process begining in march with final process starting in may.  Progress is ahead of schedule and we should be practicing on it come August 16th.  Water mains are being re routed and the ground for the Hockey Rink should be broken in July with swimming pool in october from the on campus chatter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 03, 2006, 03:48:33 PM
DAWG:

Thanks for the stadium update friend.  Sounds exciting, and even more so to see I'm sure.  An ice hockey rink, also, wow!  Does Adrian have a collegiate hockey club team like Hope and Calvin do?  Please keep us posted on further progress.
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Post by: bulldogalum on March 03, 2006, 08:00:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 03, 2006, 03:48:33 PM
  An ice hockey rink, also, wow!  Does Adrian have a collegiate hockey club team like Hope and Calvin do? 

We haven't had a club hockey team, to my knowledge, but it looks like we'll be starting one.  President Docking was quite the hockey player in his day, according to some stories I've heard, so it doesn't surprise me that he wants to introduce hockey to the Adrian campus.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 09, 2006, 04:31:40 PM
What is the off season word(s) from Olivet's neck of the woods?  I am the play-by-play voice of the Elmhurst Bluejays and we travel to Olivet this fall.  This will by my 6th year covering Elmhurst football and my first trip to the great state of Michigan.  Just from looking at Olivet's Website it seems that Livedoti has really sparked this program and has it on the upswing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 10, 2006, 01:14:30 PM
jaybird:
It was actually former coach Irv Siegler who got Olivet back on track of recent, although Livedotti had a hand in that as well as his associate head coach.  Livedotti took over when Siegler retired (this is actually Livedotti's second stint as head coach at Olivet - he was HC at DII Wayne State before returning to his alma mater.  Both he and Siegler were All-MIAA fb'ers at Olivet and are in the schools HOF.)

Anyway, I don't know what the current status is in regards to recruits or prospect on this upcoming year's team.  I would think they would build on what they had this year (after going 8-2 the year prior).  I will try to find out some info for you, although Rome, who posts here (he hasn't for awhile) is an Olivet follower and he usually has the inside scoop for us.  Perhaps he can fill us in on current status.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 11, 2006, 12:13:55 PM
formerd3db-- thank you and I hope all is well with you and your family.  I am looking forward to the game.  Now in my 6th year doing EC football games, this will be my first road trip to a Michigan school.
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Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 11, 2006, 04:46:43 PM
Traditionally Livedotti has been a fun and gun one back guy whereas Siegler was a wingT adherent I believe.

With this being Livedottis second go around as head coach at Olivet I was expecting a hybrid of the two systems.  It would seem the expertise in the one back pass game complemented the Wing T as the base more than wing T run game affluence has shown  transfer to the one back. 

While traditional Belly and Down series doesnt translate to the one back, weak belly counter, stretch as a derivative down and speed pitch/option do.  Will be interesting to see if Livedotti can open up the run game some more to complement his genius in the pass game.

Would make sense if the kids already in camp are previously acclimated to the pulling, waggle and kick out blocking of the wing t to incorporate some double wing hybrid for Livedottis oneback.

Many one backs live and die by the blast, but there is potential if the wings can tote the rock from handoff for sprint rollout and waggle as opposed to simple cup.  Much of this hinges on the type of oneback recruited.  One would think a buck would be more appropriate than say a scatback.

The type of back Livedotti is already dealing with, or the type of back he is bringing in might indicate what his intentions are as should the mobility of the quarterback.     

signed,
Gerald Riggs III
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 12, 2006, 12:01:54 PM
jaybird, what can we expect to see from Elmhurst next season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 12, 2006, 09:10:06 PM
jaybird:
You are welcome and hope all is well with you too.  Will post some additional info on Olivet later on, if we hear about such.

MacLeod:

I think you are right.  This should be the year that will perhaps help to see in what direction Lividotti's system might be going.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 12, 2006, 09:12:44 PM
bulldogalum:

Hope you are doing well also and studies going well too.  I've seen the progression photos of Adrian's stadium on their athletic website.  Looks great and very exciting.

I know you are busy, but what do you hear, if anything about Adrian's potential recruits and/or spring practice status this year?  Also, how about your former Bulldog golf team, since you are a former member of that?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 12, 2006, 10:28:39 PM
formerd3db:

I have been busy, and things are about to get REALLY ugly in a couple of weeks, but I try to keep up with things to some extent.  All I've heard about Adrian's football recruiting class and about next season is that they're excited about how things are looking.  They think they've got a real shot at a ring next year, and based on their success the past few years, I don't see why they wouldn't be a contender.  According to a source currently in the admissions department, enrollment numbers in general are looking way up, so that's encouraging to hear. 

I always thought, during my days at Adrian, that the people (i.e. the coaches, professors, students, etc...) were first rate, but some of the facilities needed to be improved, and the administration was largely clueless and disinterested.  This may be a bit unfair, but I think the fact that, the moment a new administration came in, the dining hall, athletic facilities, and residential facilities were slated to be upgraded says a lot.  At any rate, I think their goal is to be around 1500-1600 students in the next few years.  That's right about where the current campus funtions best as far as numbers are concerned.

As for the golf team, they've got a decent crew returning.  Coach Riley will no longer be coaching golf, as they're making that a full time position and hiring a new coach.  The new coach has not been officially announced yet.  I know a high school teammate of mine was in the running for awhile, but unfortunately is no longer being considered.  Once they get a coach in place, they can really start recruiting for next year.  They want to be very competitive on a national level, but you have to walk before you can run.  They'll be looking for a coach who can recruit like crazy, so we'll see.

On a side note, I made it out to the golf course yesterday, and actually exhibited signs of a real, living, breathing golf game.  Hopefully it doesn't die with my lack of free time between now and finals.
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Post by: 79jaybird on March 13, 2006, 09:35:05 AM
Bulldog

Elmhurst runs a spread system and "fun and gun" is a term that I would also use to describe their offense.  Tom Journell ( HC) likes to throw some trick plays in the bag early and likes "quick strikes"  vs. opponents.
Last year we had 2 strong TE's so we had a double tight setup frequently. 
I am curious to see what formations we have this year. We lost our All Conf. running back, All American Tight End, and Elm record breaking receiver all to graduation. 
I can tell you Elmhurst uses all of the field and is not afraid to try "daring" plays. We have a solid 3rd year Quarterback and a strong offensive line.  The real question mark is how our "skilled" positions will be filled in with the new players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2006, 11:19:06 AM
bulldog:
Thanks for the follow-up and update info.  Indeed things look very positive for the improvements at Adrian.  I was concerned earlier last summer when I saw their enrollment number was way down (under 1000).  As you mention, though, these new improvements in all areas (not just athletics) should help the school tremendously.  I agree that the enrollment # you mention would be the ideal for them.

As far as the golf team, good that they are now making the coaching position full-time.

Good luck on your finals - I know how that is not much fun in "crunch time", but I know you will do well.  Thanks for your always positive contribution to posting here and the other boards.  Hang in there and talk to you later.
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Post by: bulldogalum on March 13, 2006, 11:59:46 AM
jaybird:  Sounds like an exciting approach from Elmhurst.  I don't usually make trips to Olivet unless I must  :) but it may be worth it to watch these two teams square off.  You should enjoy Olivet's football facilities, as they just opened a new stadium last year.

formerd3db:  Thanks for the well wishing on the finals.  I did alright first semester, and I'm hoping to continue that this spring.  It's a hectic time, but it'll be over soon.  What have you been up to?  Don't you have a presentation on some historical research coming up (or has it already been presented?)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 13, 2006, 12:26:12 PM
Bulldog-- I am the "voice" of the Bluejays.  This will be my 6th year doing the play-by-play after 2 years of playing for the team.  I am always eager to visit new schools and new Stadiums.  Sounds like this will be a real treat.  Also sounds like both teams are similar and improving within the last 3-4 years.  In my 6 years this will be my first game in Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2006, 08:15:25 PM
bulldogalum:
You are most welcome.  Also, you indeed have a good memory!  Yes, my (my co-author and my that is) new book is coming out this weekend (actually has been released by the publisher as we email) and the conference, unveiling of the book and my/our presentation is this upcoming weekend.  An exciting time.  I have not yet seen the final book itself since it has been released (shipped), but am told it turned out fabulous at least to the numberous illustrations it contains (some new previously unpublished ones and other information as well).  Here's hoping (no pun intended ;D) the critics will feel the same about the substance of the text!  We'll see what happens.  Take care and talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 13, 2006, 10:53:44 PM
BTW, formerd3db, how are the Dutchmen looking heading into next season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2006, 11:06:53 PM
bulldogalum:

Someone asked me that awhile back.  I still haven't had a chance to get an update from the coaches, but anticpate doing that in the near future.  My own personal take is that QB will indeed be the major position in question.  The 3 year starter has graduated and the backups have little experience.   So it should be anyone's to take - even a frosh could make a run at it.  Also, our DB's and O and D line need to step up - next year.  Some had inconsistent games.  Always seem to have a good crop of receivers; also rumor has it the starting RB might not return.  I can't refute or confirm that at present, so I don't want to comment further.  Will try to find out as prior mentioned however. 

BTW, I assume you are taking a break from all that hard studying in posting at this hour? ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 14, 2006, 09:16:30 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 13, 2006, 11:06:53 PM
BTW, I assume you are taking a break from all that hard studying in posting at this hour? ;D ;)

Hey now, take it easy on the struggling law student. ;) 

I usually do my reading and make notes in my book in the afternoon-early evening after I get out of class, and then later at night, I put some of those notes on my laptop in narrative form in case I get called on (especially the facts and procedural posture of a case, in the event that I'm called on).  While I'm putting those notes into the computer, I've gotten pretty good at multitasking.  In between cases, I usually take a few minutes to clear my mind. 

As I write this, I'm in between classes.  There's not really enough time to get anything done, and all my work for today is finished, so I've got a bit of time. ;D

Good luck unveiling your book :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 14, 2006, 09:29:00 AM
formerd3db-- Congratulations and best wishes on the new book. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 14, 2006, 11:26:03 AM
bulldogalum:
Sounds like you have a good system.  Again, good luck on the upcoming exams.  Also, thanks for the well wishes on the book.

jaybird:
Thank you also for the book well wishes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 14, 2006, 03:12:24 PM
Quite an honor and culmination of many hours of work!  Someday I hope our paths cross and we can meet in person.  We will have to get the AD's to schedule an Elmhurst/Hope game  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 14, 2006, 03:20:04 PM
jaybird:
Yes, that would be a good game to see.  I know that DePauw and Wheaton are booked on Hope's schedule for the next few years, which is good.  Perhaps, though, when Wisconsin Lutheran leaves after the 2007 season, a game with Elmhurst could be slotted.  I'll have to check Hope's future schedules - not sure if they are already filled up as I don't have them right in front of me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 14, 2006, 04:27:10 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran!!  Wheaton and DePauw are quality non conf. opponents.  Adding a 2nd CCIW school would be very attractive.  I am good friends with the WLC fb coach.  He has really been great in developing that program from scratch.  We will have to see.  I know Elmhurst has a 4 more years with Chicago and a home and home with Olivet.  I would like them to discontinue playing Benedictine, but IBC is attractive to Elmhurst because of location.  Elmhurst--Lisle, is a good rivalry based solely on geography.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on March 25, 2006, 11:36:20 PM
formerd3db:

Two things:

1)  Happy Birthday, Old Man!  Hope it was a good one for you.

2)  This Monday (the 27th) the History Channel is doing a show on a shipwreck in the Alpena area, thought you might be interested.

Now back to the football talk...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 26, 2006, 07:33:22 PM
bulldogalum:
Thanks my friend!  But like everyone else at this age (including your dad, who as you know I got to see yesterday which was a great thrill for me), I'm not counting anymore, just celebrating I guess.

Also, thanks for the info on the shipwreck program - I'll look for it tomorrow.  Hope your exams went well.  We'll keep in touch on the boards here too.  Talk to you later!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 27, 2006, 10:13:58 AM
Happy Birthday Formerd3db  and many happy returns to the day. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 27, 2006, 05:26:47 PM
Thank you friend.  LIke most people at this stage, I am not counting anymore - just having "22nd Annual Birthday Celebrations"! ;D  Hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 28, 2006, 12:28:47 PM
Hi former, age is just a number and it is how you feel.  I can't believe that in 2 years I will have my 10 yr High School Reunion!  :o
I am feeling great and I hope you are the same.  The paper is coming along smoothly as we are getting more and more sponsors to join our ship.  I am still shooting for an August 2006 "rebirth".

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 28, 2006, 07:30:08 PM
jaybird:
You are a young guy for sure!!  Good news about the paper - sounds great.  Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on March 29, 2006, 12:47:21 PM
I felt old this past week.  I went to my old High School ( Prospect in Mt. Prospect, IL)  to go and see my 16 year old Cousin play a baseball game.  He is a promising Sophomore playing for Notre Dame H.S. ( Niles, IL).  The ironic thing is 10 years ago, I was in my Cousin's shoes, playing on our field.  He is like a little brother to me and it was a moment of the "circle of life".  Tying this to football, it is great to be apart of young athletes as we are all a member of the football fraternity.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 01, 2006, 07:21:16 AM
Jaybird - you are young. Wait till you post about watching your grandchildren playing ball!!

In two years you have your 10th? Next year is my 30th!! Yes, yes I'm old!!  ;D Start the old man jokes here _______
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 01, 2006, 05:34:15 PM
wlcalum:
I don't throw stones (or boomerangs)! ;)  I'm with you!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on April 01, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
So long as you're both young enough to remember the good ol' days, you're alright ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 02, 2006, 11:00:52 AM
Ahh the good old days - let's see... what did I do yesturday?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 02, 2006, 03:27:53 PM
bulldogalum:
Thanks!  BTW, saw your post on the baseball board.  Looks like your alma mater is in control so far.  Also, hope your exams went well.

wlcalum:
Uh, oh, you'd better be care; you'll be having me doing the same thing. ;D  BtW, what have you heard, if anything, about wlc potential incoming fb class? (realizing, of course, that at DIII, no one really knows until first day of camp as to seeing who actually shows up.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 02, 2006, 10:37:14 PM
fd3db

News is not really forthcomming as yet - from what I have heard.

My information sources are beginning to dry up as most have graduated or will this year. Will still make the trips to Milwaukee this year to watch the games as I still know a few of the boys that will be seniors, but don't think I will make all the road trips as I have the last four years. Will really miss talking to all the fans. We do have some relation in MI but they live further north and east but a long road trip is not totally out of the question. At least your gasoline is cheaper there across the border.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on April 03, 2006, 02:22:11 PM
Wlc alum and formerd3db,

hehe,  I don't make jokes about old age(s) and such.  Some of my best friends are older and wiser.
Any news from Olivet?  I am eager to learn more about the Comets who we play this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 03, 2006, 07:34:17 PM
wlcalum:
I know what you mean about the travel.  It is fun but can be tedious; and your're right about gas prices being in play.  Anyway, if you get the chance to make the WLC @ Hope game Nov 11th (reg season final) let me know.  I'm sure we'll be continuing correspondence on this board long before then.

79jaybird:
Haven't heard anything.  If I do, though, I will let you know.  While Olivet does update their athletic website, they somehow don't seem to mention much about the the sports that are in their "off-seasons", including football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 06, 2006, 08:43:25 PM
The only thing that makes these gas prices tolerable is that I am lucky enough to own an E85, flex fuel Tahoe. I last paid 1.99 per gallon as everyone else is paying 2.65. I think the E10 was only 2.61 so it is cheaper at the E85 stations than regular filling stations, don't understand that?  ??? It can be a challenge finding an E85 station but they are popping up more all the time.

Gas milage is the same, as long as you keep your foot out of the V8  ;D as is the power. I notice no difference at all.

I will burn the corn and help the farmers - rather than help the rich get richer. 'Course the wife does own stock with Amoco so our retierment may be better than first expected!  ::)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2006, 03:47:19 PM
I read today in the Grand Rapids Press that the MIAA is allowing schools to have nine days of spring practice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 07, 2006, 04:12:20 PM
That is great news and will help break up the winter routine. Is nine the max allowed? Thought I read where there could be 13?? Wish we got as many as DI.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 07, 2006, 05:31:20 PM
The max is 16, actually.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 08, 2006, 12:07:31 PM
Yes, the max is 16 but by MIAA ruling our schools are only allowed 9 sessions of 2 hours each.  It is a god send that we are allowed to use a football this year though, it really lends a whole new air of functionallity to the sessions.  It would be great if we could get pads allowed for the practices at some point in the future and use them as actual spring ball but at this point im happy with the baby steps of being allowed to use a football.  The stadium is really shaping up in Adrian all the digging is done and you can really get a feel for the bowl that will be there next year.  The footers are all in and the light pole bases are being poured as well its all moving ahead of schedule.  Brick works is starting in the next week and the bleachers arrive on the 17th.  Once all the bleachers go in its going ot be a quick process of getting the building up and rounding everything off before the field starts in May from what we are hearing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 10, 2006, 11:10:27 AM
DAWG:
Thanks for the update.  That sounds very exciting.  I've seen some of the "cam" photos of construction and it looks very good.  We'll be excited to see it.  Also, thanks for the update on spring practice at Adrian.  Although I attended Hope's lacrosse game this past weekend, I haven't had a chance to ask about Hope's spring football sessions.  BTW, we beat you guys in lacrosse at Adrian on Friday as you know!  Sorry, just couldn't resist putting in that last one! ;)  Hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 14, 2006, 12:35:59 AM
It is good news to hear that improvements are progressing quickly with the new football stadiums.

It is also great news that the MIAA has, at last, decided to get football on the front page and allowing more practices and this year with a football!!?

Not being an old timer with the MIAA, I cannot understand, why they have waited for sooo long to get with the program. While I understnd change is a hard thing to do, if they want to be a contender,? a serious contender,? they need to get all the spring practice in they can and get into some serious recruiting.

With the new stadiums being built it seems that an honest effort is being made to improve the football programs, great job MIAA, but etter recruiting and spring practices are needed to bring the MIAA up a notch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 14, 2006, 12:29:59 PM
This is just the way the MIAA is. They didn't allow schools to play 10 games until a few years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on April 15, 2006, 08:10:31 AM
Thanks Pat - I think?

Come on there fellow MIAA'ers what can we do to get full practices with pads, and better recruiting? With the money being spent on the stadiums and going to games someone should be able to shake things up a bit to improve the MIAA post season play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 15, 2006, 08:33:40 AM
wlcalum:

Pat is correct.  Regarding history, the MIAA has always been somewhat "lagging in following suit" so to speak.  For years, the league banned post-season play for its football teams (1960-1977; Hillsdale College, now DII, was then an MIAA powerhouse and resigned from the league (ahead of time as it was going to be kicked out) for going to a bowl game against Iowa State).  The MIAA felt it was too expensive and that student-athletes would miss too much class time.  Of course, those aspects have been resolved today with the current NCAA format.  The MIAA, which has high academic standards by most of its schools now allows post-season play for all sports (unlike the hypocritical NESCA and the Ivy Leauge ;D).

At any rate, as you mention, spring workouts certainly can't hurt (although everyone i.e. other conferences have the same opportunity so not sure how that would overall affect aspects).  On the other hand, and we've had much discussion on this in the past here on the board as you already know, scheduling tougher non-conference opponents on a consistent basis is what will benefit the MIAA teams better in that respect (aside from individual recruiting, of course).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 24, 2006, 10:19:08 PM
I had the opportunity to watch some of Hope's spring football practice on Saturday.  A gorgeous day.  Returning players seem to be in pretty good conditioning for this time of year.  Agility drills looked good and offensive plays against the defense looked pretty good and fast (although obviously this is run through drills without pads).  Defense looks like it might need a little work.  Punters and special teams looked very sharp.  Some really booming spiral punts against a rush even.

It will be interesting to see how the incoming freshmen look this year.  Not sure every returning player was in Saturday's practice (obviously not since some playing other spring sports), however, numbers looked a little down.  I have not heard how many prospective recruits are sleighted to come in; might not have the 140 players for Auguest roster we've had the past several years.  On the other hand, I could be wrong for as we all know, that is unpredictable for the most part until you see who actually reports/shows up to camp in August in DIII.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on April 25, 2006, 09:42:36 AM
former, that is one of the things that I really like about d3, there is always players that seem to come out of nowhere.  You never know truly what you have as a fan until you get it.  I could have told you that Mt. Union would have talented guys to plug in for injured players, but to be able to predict a Nate Kmic (Stagg Bowl MOP) at this level is more difficult than the "lower" divisions. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on May 06, 2006, 03:56:17 AM
Nate Kmic is one thing, but when you have a wide receiver in Pierre Garcon, who can burn everyone, you know you are going somewhere.  This guy is totally unbelieveable.  In the championship game this past season he was able to burn everyone.  He came from Norwich where he played some good football, and then decided to transfer to the DIII powerhouse machine Mt. Union, and I dont blame him.  On a side note Mt. Union needs to move up to at least DII.  I would love to see them play against Grand Valley State.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on May 06, 2006, 03:58:44 AM
Any word on recruits for this upcoming football season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2006, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: albinomascot19 on May 06, 2006, 03:56:17 AM
Nate Kmic is one thing, but when you have a wide receiver in Pierre Garcon, who can burn everyone, you know you are going somewhere. This guy is totally unbelieveable. In the championship game this past season he was able to burn everyone. He came from Norwich where he played some good football, and then decided to transfer to the DIII powerhouse machine Mt. Union, and I dont blame him. On a side note Mt. Union needs to move up to at least DII. I would love to see them play against Grand Valley State.



albionmascot:
You are "barking up the wrong tree" re: Mount Union.  They have no desire to move "down" to DII; many of their fans/posters have discussed that at length on the OAC board in the past.  I know what you are saying, but it won't happen.  Personally, I'd like to see Hope play GVSU again, however, in recent years, Hope's team would not be able to compete with them as we know.  Alma scrimmages Northwood in preseason (and used to play Ferris and Valpo when the latter was DII) the last few years and has held their own, they also play some DII teams; it all depends on a particular year.  Not saying that Hope could never beat a DII team in some future year, but not likely in the near future.  Personally, I'd like to see them play a non-conf DII foe like we used to, and like Alma does, but, there is the issue of the power rankings for the DIII playoffs in one sense.  On the other hand, for our league, the latter really doesn't matter since everyone plays for the AQ and unlikely a second MIAA team would be taken as an at-large. 

Haven't heard much on recruits as I previously mentioned.  Hopefully, some news from the various posters might be forthcoming in the near future.  Yet as always at DIII, most times none of this is known until camp starts in August and seeing who actually shows up.

BTW, congrats to Albion on the lacrosse MIAA tournament championship.  I was impressed with their team.  Also, looks like Adrian has won the baseball title again this year - they are a good team and hopefully will go further in the NCAA regional tourney this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on May 07, 2006, 06:28:18 AM
It was just a thought, even though Mt. Union has no intentions to go to DII or higher.  Anyway they are just so dominating.  Think about them, minus getting guys that could play DI, but might not start right away at the DI level, then it could be an even playing field.  However very unlikely, considering the type of program coach Kehres has there.  Even the best teams in DIII have a tough time with Mt. Union and that was quite evident in the national championship game.  Also another thought, is this going to be the year the MIAA breaks through with a win in the playoffs?  I really would love to see a "w" as it will definitely make the conference get more positive exposure.  Anyway,  maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players.  We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players.  The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on May 08, 2006, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: matblake on April 25, 2006, 09:42:36 AM
former, that is one of the things that I really like about d3, there is always players that seem to come out of nowhere.  You never know truly what you have as a fan until you get it.  I could have told you that Mt. Union would have talented guys to plug in for injured players, but to be able to predict a Nate Kmic (Stagg Bowl MOP) at this level is more difficult than the "lower" divisions. 

Albionmascot, I was referring specifically to incoming freshman players.  Although Garcon was definitely a difference maker on that team, people were aware of his presence almost immediately and he had played college ball previously. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on May 12, 2006, 08:20:40 AM
Yep, thats right he played at Norwich.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on May 12, 2006, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: albinomascot19 on May 07, 2006, 06:28:18 AM
Anyway,  maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players.  We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players.  The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.   

One of the difficulties, in my opinion, that the MIAA has is the large number of DII programs in the area.  You have eight DII schools that sponsor football in Michigan, not to mention the other GLIAC schools that are close by.  Compare that with say Illinois and Wisconsin and you would have to go to Indiana, Minnesota, or Michigan for schools that sponsored football.  So, you have all the MIAA schools, the Division II schools, and the biggies like U of M and MSU.  That is a lot of competition for in-state athletes.  Throw into the mix that some kids want to go away to school or have other interests makes the competition fierce.  And, unfortunately you can't forget the money issue.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 19, 2006, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: matblake on May 12, 2006, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: albinomascot19 on May 07, 2006, 06:28:18 AM
Anyway,  maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players.  We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players.  The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.   

One of the difficulties, in my opinion, that the MIAA has is the large number of DII programs in the area.  You have eight DII schools that sponsor football in Michigan, not to mention the other GLIAC schools that are close by.  Compare that with say Illinois and Wisconsin and you would have to go to Indiana, Minnesota, or Michigan for schools that sponsored football.  So, you have all the MIAA schools, the Division II schools, and the biggies like U of M and MSU.  That is a lot of competition for in-state athletes.  Throw into the mix that some kids want to go away to school or have other interests makes the competition fierce.  And, unfortunately you can't forget the money issue.

And it doesn't help (not that I'm complaining) that GVSU has owned DII football for the last few years.  I know several local kids who are the right kind of guys for DIII who are walking on at GVSU just because of the history - not to mention Lubbers Stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 20, 2006, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 19, 2006, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: matblake on May 12, 2006, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: albinomascot19 on May 07, 2006, 06:28:18 AM
Anyway,  maybe our problem is we need to start recruiting taller and faster players.  We need to nab some of the talent thats out there, get some could be DI players.  The odds of that happening are slim though unfortunately, especially for MIAA Football.   

One of the difficulties, in my opinion, that the MIAA has is the large number of DII programs in the area.  You have eight DII schools that sponsor football in Michigan, not to mention the other GLIAC schools that are close by.  Compare that with say Illinois and Wisconsin and you would have to go to Indiana, Minnesota, or Michigan for schools that sponsored football.  So, you have all the MIAA schools, the Division II schools, and the biggies like U of M and MSU.  That is a lot of competition for in-state athletes.  Throw into the mix that some kids want to go away to school or have other interests makes the competition fierce.  And, unfortunately you can't forget the money issue.

And it doesn't help (not that I'm complaining) that GVSU has owned DII football for the last few years. I know several local kids who are the right kind of guys for DIII who are walking on at GVSU just because of the history - not to mention Lubbers Stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 20, 2006, 09:43:55 PM
Sorry, I hit the wrong button before writing my post.  Anyway, both of you have valid points, matblake and FDF.

FDF, while Holland Municipal Stadium is a very nice stadium for DIII (not to mention a nice school like Hope), Lubbers is indeed a great stadium and that combined with the draw of a potential scholarship for walk-ons at (even if only partial $), the lower tuition at a state school, and now the three national championships does entice players who might otherwise consider a school like Hope (or its MIAA partners) and have a chance at playing time earlier and/or possibly being a "big fish in a little pond" as the sayiing goes.  Not that these players don't have the talent or perseverence to do that at a school like GVSU because many do and will eventually achieve such status, but it does make it tougher for a school like Hope to recruit (particularly in their own regional backyard area, not to forget the other potions of the state).   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on May 22, 2006, 11:31:44 PM
We have the same problem in Wisconsin. Gotta compete with the Badgers. Minnesota also take our kids as they can go there for the same cost as UW Madison. There are numerous UW system schools for our guys to go to, get a good education and play football before they spend all the cash going to a private school like WLC, who just started a football program. It is hard to get noticed in Wisconsin unless you have some success. That will come with the new conference as we will play in-state schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on May 25, 2006, 09:48:19 AM
wlcalum,
Seems to be a similar situation for you with all the UW Schools.  I know Carthage in the CCIW gets the majority of their kids from Illinois (if not the majority then pretty darn close).  Looks like the majority of your team last year was from WI.  That would seem to be your main recruiting base. Do you think that fact that it is a newer program contributes to some of that difficulty?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on May 25, 2006, 10:34:33 PM
I've been reading this board ever since it was announced that Kalamazoo would be playing at Austin College.  AC is the closest D3 school to Dallas (an hour and a half away).  I know couple of Kalamazoo grads, and they have marked their calandars.

I closely follow the SCIAC board.  They have frequent discussions on recruiting similar to the one you are having.  The difference is that they put the blame on the extensive Junior College football programs in Southern California.

With that said, the backup QB for SCIAC champions and D3 Football #9 ranked Occidental last year is a freshman from Walled Lake, Michigan.  He claims he chose it because "it's in California." 8)

Here in Texas there are plenty of players looking to play, and they know D3 is a good option.  Except for Trinity, they don't get too many from out of state.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2006, 10:47:48 PM
The northern Dallas-Fort Worth suburbs have plenty of transplants from Michigan, usually forming the starting lines in the local club Ice Hockey teams. ;)

Your alums might find some good candidates to return to the MIAA and play football there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 26, 2006, 02:24:13 PM
That will be a nice trip for Kazoo to Texas.  Most schools have one "long distance card" to play for a regular season non-conference game and going to another state will be a good experience for the team, even if it is going to be a rather extended travel time.

As far as out-of-state recruiting, there will always be some student-athletes who desire to go far away for their college experience and that is fine.  The young man from Mich going to Oxy as you mention will have a fun experience while fullfilling a dream I'm sure and no doubt will at the same time obtain a very good education.  Yet, not everyone has the desire to do that and as we all know, there are other factors that come into play for each individual i.e. parents might not be able time-wise or economically to travel such great distances to see their son play and thus miss many games, and the experience of being so far away from home can come into play for some players.

Many schools have programs that attract "long distance" out-of-state players (Wheaton, Wabash, Hope come to mind readily) for a variety of reasons aside from their academic programs (alumns, family alumns notwithstanding).  Bottom line is obviously each student-athlete has to decide for themselves what they want and what is best for them (and/or their families).  When it does work out, though, it can be a lifetime worth of value and memories - a valuable experience.

BTW, I thought our MIAA trips to some away games were wild i.e. 8 hour bus rides and 2 hour trips for our league games are not bad, but Texas is a BIG state so I cringe to think about those "little jaunts" for in state games! ;D       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on June 02, 2006, 07:02:18 PM
Here is a little more info. Thought it was interesting. http://www.wlc.edu/athletics/

Hey Pat
When does the new NAC get it's own space to post?  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2006, 07:50:47 PM
When it sponsors football. I think that's 2008.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on June 05, 2006, 12:47:29 PM
I know in Illinois the CCIW's metro schools  Elmhurst, North Central, North Park, Wheaton, and Carthage in Kenosha, WI  compete with larger schools i.e.  Northern/Southern/Eastern/Western IL, Ill. State, etc. 
Many times these kids will go to the larger schools, find out that the playing time is scarce and much more competitive overall, and wind up back at a D-3 football school for success.
BTW  Formerd3db   the paper is going well.  Should have first issue out on September 8, 2006. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: superbob on June 05, 2006, 01:54:54 PM
Enough talk about what is going on in all the other conferences in college football, lets talk about the up coming MIAA season.  I will gladly start it off.
Business first, last season was a very interesting season for the MIAA.  Their were upsets, and shocking games all around.  Example Olivet over Hope, Hopes complete dominance over Adrian, and lastly K-Zoo over Alma.  Yet at the end of the season there was still a disappointment about the season.  This is not a shot at Albion for they were the MIAA champions at the top all alone.
The unfinished business and the question that is yet to be answered is (i will capitalize this) HOW IS GOING TO EMERGE???????????????  ???
Some say, what do u mean by who is going to emerge,  The MIAA as of the last 5 years has grown to a level that has put its popularity higher then its been since the mid 90's.  Even better the league has finally shown that there are more then just Albion.  Albion completely dominated the MIAA for nearly a decade.  Now there is compitition coming from Olivet, Adrian, and the team who gives us one nice upset every now and then K-Zoo.
If history repeats itself, we will see Hope win the MIAA title for the 3rd time in 7 years. Who is going to win the first playoff game for the MIAA?  It is obvious that not winning a playoff game since 1994 has put a huge monkey on the back of this conference being a complete D3 National Conference.  Winning the MIAA has not became enough, teams want to win nationally, and want to get that d3 playoff win.... Adrian finally got rid of Hiedleberg, and ventures to Pennsylvania....K-Zoo does something that should have been done a long time ago and plays  Austin down in Texas.  Every coach and team knows that there school, players, coaching staff, and fans, know that the MIAA is seen as a conference who cant win in the playoffs.............the race for national power begins now
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on June 05, 2006, 02:19:10 PM
Wheaton has posted it's recruits for this year.  http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/football/recruits.html  Was hoping some of you Western Michigan people had perhaps seen the following play because I couldn't find much info on them, despite being in MI myself.  Thanks!

Michael Freeland-Portage Central
Devon Gainey-Northview
Tyler Langs-Climax Scotts
Joshua Bishop-Central Montcalm
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 08, 2006, 04:11:11 PM
It's been kind of quiet on this board, friends.  I assume everyone is busy with "end of school year, graduations, perhaps family outings/weddings, etc.?).  Anyway, what's the word on various MIAA athletic fundraisers?  Alma has their annual athletic golf outing fundraiser this weekend while Hope's annual fb fundraiser is the following weekend.  For those attending, I hope you all have a great time (and thanks for your support).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 13, 2006, 01:31:57 PM
I think Adrian has a football fundraiser golf scramble coming up in the near future too.  Also, the first strips of the field turf are being laid today at the new stadium.  I took a tour of the place last week, and it's really going to be a special place.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 14, 2006, 08:34:12 PM
bulldogalum:

Speaking of Adrian's stadium, I have a ? for you.  Why did they make the visitors permanent stands so small?  It looks kind of strange, although I'm sure students will sit on the side of the hill on either side of those.  The concourse from the endzone will be a neat feature.

Also, I saw on Adrian's website that they are planning an ice hockey arena and received that huge donation from the alumni doc!  Having ice hockey will be a great addition to Hope and Calvin's teams.  I'm hoping that once Adrian elevates their lacrosse team to varsity from club status, the other MIAA schools that have teams will do the same.  But as club teams in the current collegiate league they play in now is still some great college lacrosse.  I think that Adrian will make their steady enrollment goal of about 1400. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 14, 2006, 10:53:48 PM
formerd3db:

I'm assuming a couple of things when it comes to the visitor's stands.  First, as you noted, there will be plenty of available seating on the hillside.  Second, I'm guessing that they didn't want to build too much, if that makes sense.  Why build 2,000 visitors seats when all you regularly need is 500, essentially?  Not the best answer, I know, but it's the best I have.

The entrance area to the stadium, as well as the south endzone area, will be nice gathering places for fans.  The north endzone will feature student seating, and has some homes in the neighborhood, which, at least for me, retains a little bit of the neighborhood feel of Maple Stadium in the new place.  The thing that really got me excited was what will eventually become the new locker room area and tunnel on the eastern side.  The players will come down a tunnel that drops 8 feet to field level, like a much smaller version of Michigan Stadium, but it will be a really cool effect. 

Seems as though the alumni (myself aside, at least for the time being) are really stepping up to help this new administration get the ball rolling.  I have mixed feelings about the hockey rink.  It could be a huge boost or a huge drain, depending on how they use it, and how much demand there is in the community.  I know that there isn't a sheet of ice until you hit Ann Arbor, Jackson or Toledo, so there should be plenty of potential users.  The question is, will they use it?  If they do, it's a big win for Adrian.  If they don't, heaven help us. 

As far as lacrosse goes, I'm sure the administration is banking on the fact that other MIAA schools will follow suit when Adrian's lacrosse program becomes a varsity sport.  BTW, I hear you're coming out of retirement? ;)

Word around campus is that the enrollment numbers are looking very promising.  I'm sure they'll be meeting their enrollment goals in the very near future.  It sure is exciting to see things headed in the right direction.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 16, 2006, 01:18:01 AM
I see the stadium has become a topic of conversation again so I thought Id throw my everyday info into the ring.  The visitors bleachers seemed a bit small to me as well but some of the logic is that there will be so much hillside seating as well as a large pavilion in one endzone for pregame and things of that nature which will enhance the setting.  The idea of the smaller stadium was to give it the look of a sellout every week which is a great environment to perform in.  On top of that the turf has started to go down as they have about 80% of the field itself(not surrounding area) down which is a big change.  The floors for locker rooms, showers, bathrooms, meeting room and training room are poured and construction is begining on those as well.  The press boxes are going up and all that jazz as well.  Everything is going well and with the exception of some rainy days progress is moving ahead quickly.  Enrollment is already up, an aggresive approach was taken this year which resulted in about 1800 applicants and many more denials which is good for the overall strength of the freshman class.  We are looking right now at a freshman class of about 330+ which is a nice boost from the mid 200 classes of years past.  Future looks bright and things are moving in the right direction, if theres one thing the new administration wont do it is stick with the status quo and thats a good thing.  They want the school to be nationally recognized in all aspects and they are doing what it takes to get it there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 18, 2006, 09:39:00 PM
DAWG:
Thanks for the inside info and follow-up.  The current photos of the stadium construction look great and very exciting to see the turf laid down the past 3-4 days.  Keep us posted.

bulldogalum:

Between you and DAWG, you guy's with keep me/us up to date re: the Adrian project.  BTW, thank you also (and to your brother too) for including me Fri.  Take care and we'll obviously be in frequent communication.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 19, 2006, 01:55:25 PM
interesting comments on the main page about former Kzoo coach rogers turning them in at his current post.  from the email sounded like tired of dealing with college football politics and looking for something else to do.  Coach rogers was a good guy wonder what the skinny was on that deal...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 19, 2006, 01:57:31 PM
Whatever job he has this year will be his fourth in four years. That's unfortunate on the resume.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on June 19, 2006, 04:39:10 PM
70dcalum, remember you can't spell Rogers without EGO ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 20, 2006, 10:03:59 AM
Scotty too funny.  i did almost get a GA position when he was at Kzoo until his last question and asked me if i was a minority...said the school would only offer to a minority...he did not think a tanning bed would work.  Kzoo was not real good with him there so i was suprised to see him end up there.

Pat turnover is only good on a resume if you are moving up and then it still causes you issues.  one of my highschool coaches and fellow DC alum went around many major colleges (GA for Lou at Notre Dame)  when Lou got the SC job he tried to get on the staff, lou told him he would love ot have him but wont hire him becuase he knows it would only be for a year becuase we wants to move up.  of course not all that bad...the lucky SOB gets the d-coordinator job at Western Kentucky wins a national championship, leaves and has been the linebackers coach at the raiders for the last 3 years and was the only defensive coach Art Shell kept.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 29, 2006, 09:40:38 PM
Any comments as to whom the new QB at Albion will be?
How do they look?
Would be nice to see MIAA get a win in the playoffs this year.
What do you think is lacking to make the step?
Looks like defense is the key.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on July 03, 2006, 02:47:20 PM
Quote from: D306 on June 29, 2006, 09:40:38 PM
Any comments as to whom the new QB at Albion will be?
How do they look?
Would be nice to see MIAA get a win in the playoffs this year.
What do you think is lacking to make the step?
Looks like defense is the key.

From what I have been hearing, Jake Wilson should emerge as the starting quarterback for the Britons in the upcoming 2006 season.  However there are some younger guys on the team that could also compete for the starting role.  From last year to this year, the Britons are basically having a facelift to the team might I say.  They lose their 4 year starter at Punter-Tyler Hunter.  Also it will be pretty hard to replace the Most Valuable Player of the MIAA-Steve Wasil, who had a recording breaking season last year as he led the Britons back into the post season.  He was remarkable as he threw 33 touchdowns against only  12 interceptions.  Britons also lose a part of their receivers corps which includes Shane Brogan, Kevin Polnasek, and TE Troy Rundle. I feel the younger guys will step up and make this year an even more memorable season than before.  The future looks bright.  This upcoming season I am looking forward in watching the Britons have a remarkable year, there remain questions for the quarterback position, but the running backs are solid, as well as the wide receivers.  We will find out more about them as the team gets together for practice. 

I think this year the MIAA will finally break the losing streak in the playoffs.  I have seen MIAA teams go through so much in the regular season, with all the competition and then to lose in the playoffs is unacceptable.  This year I believe we will show the nation that we're more than just basketball, we are one of the elite football conferences as well.   

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 03, 2006, 10:53:20 PM
The MIAA will definitely be tough this year.  With a possible four teams competing for the conference crown, playoff berth and a WIN in the playoffs.  Adrian is ranked pre-season #20 by Street & Smiths but that is primarily based on the info the SID's send.  The Adrian/Albion game last season was definitely a classic and I look forward to another thriller.  Alma and Hope are always in the mix.  My question is how will Olivet do with Dom?  Olivet is a tough gritty team that plays tough and is very dangerous.  K-Zoo, Tri-State, and Wisconsin Lutheran will probably compete for the cellar.  However, I can definitely see them winning a couple games that no one thinks they should.  It will definitely be an exciting season. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 07, 2006, 02:36:26 PM
Thanks for the comments

looking forward to the seasons start.
How much advantage do you think teams get from a JV team.
Good practice and instruction, or just a holding place to keep younger guys interested in playing at a school?

I think it is very helpful for freshman so they can get PT they may never get on varsity, also to get acclimated to college life, college football speed and talent level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 07, 2006, 03:55:21 PM
Just curious - which MIAA scholls - if any - have JV teams?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 07, 2006, 05:40:40 PM
Adrian, Albion, Hope, Olivet, Alma I know at least had JV teams.  I'm not sure about the rest of the league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 11, 2006, 07:52:10 AM
Great news for the Dutchmen, as Booko is coming back:

http://hollandsentinel.com/stories/071106/localsports_20060711033.shtml
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 12, 2006, 04:43:44 PM
Question for everyone

I am hearing several people at the gym, saying they are using creatine, and NO-Explode.
These guys are going to be playing FB in College, D1, and D3.
I thought these were against NCAA rules.
Can anyone comment.
I told them that I thought these were not allowed in College sports.

I commented eat right, and supplement with Whey Protein 1.5 -2 grams a pound and you will make good gains without breaking rules, am I right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 13, 2006, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: D306 on July 12, 2006, 04:43:44 PM
Question for everyone


I'm sure there're bunches of strength athletes on this board who know loads about nutrition.

Quote from: D306 on July 12, 2006, 04:43:44 PM
I am hearing several people at the gym, saying they are using creatine, and NO-Explode.
These guys are going to be playing FB in College, D1, and D3.
I thought these were against NCAA rules.
Can anyone comment.
I told them that I thought these were not allowed in College sports.

I commented eat right, and supplement with Whey Protein 1.5 -2 grams a pound and you will make good gains without breaking rules, am I right?


The NCAA and IOC cannot make creatine, in it's present form, illegal because it's food.  You'd have to quit eating red meat.

The trouble with ALL types supplements is that many, if not a majority, contain illegal substances to improve their effectiveness and build costumer loyalty.

Just ask your coach, oh wait, remember the NCAA told your coach not to talk to you about supplements, not even discuss it, 'cause most of all.....the NCAA don't wanna be sued.

Don't take my word for it, look it up.

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                      Internet Offers New Steroids Designed to Be Undetectable

By Amy Shipley
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Tuesday, October 18, 2005; Page E01

The Washington Post obtained five dietary supplements -- each of which touted its ability to build muscle fast -- available online and asked a prominent Los Angeles researcher to test them. Don Catlin...said four of the products contained previously undetected anabolic steroids. One contained a steroid that came to the attention of authorities just two years ago...the five products tested were...Superdrol...Prostanozol...Ergomax LMG...Methyl 1-P...FiniGenX Magnum Liquid...none is properly labeled as a dietary supplement, as defined in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act...click on the title to read the entire article


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 13, 2006, 12:51:11 AM
Will Adrian's new stadium bring in the recruits like Hope's Temple of the Ball-god has?  Will it be superior to the other MIAA stadiums?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 13, 2006, 09:27:03 AM
Quote from: Bilk on July 13, 2006, 12:51:11 AM
Will Adrian's new stadium bring in the recruits like Hope's Temple of the Ball-god has?  Will it be superior to the other MIAA stadiums?



Adrian's facilities will compete to be the best in Division III.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on July 13, 2006, 08:39:31 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on July 13, 2006, 09:27:03 AM

Adrian's facilities will compete to be the best in Division III.

Who has the best MIAA football stadium?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 13, 2006, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: Bilk on July 13, 2006, 08:39:31 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on July 13, 2006, 09:27:03 AM

Adrian's facilities will compete to be the best in Division III.

Who has the best MIAA football stadium?

A good question Bilk.  IMO, they all have some positive aspects in one way or another.  I'm sure our fellow posters will have their own favorites for various reasons.  Not intending to "sit the fence", but I will mention my own thoughts on each of them, again, all of which have some positive aspects I like.

Hope:  A very nice stadium (shared with the city of Holland) built into a "horsehoe bowl" shaped hill.  With larger crowds, it does have that "bowl" feeling, and especially nice is students/fans sitting on the endzone hill.  Great spacious pressbox.  Drawbacks: permament seating to far from the sidelines (old Riverview Stadium had that very cozy tight bowl feeling), natural turf has always been a problem since its construction - new style synthetic turf would be a great plus for many reasons (although it probably won't happen for quite some time).

Adrian:  Indeed, the new stadium should be a big plus in recruiting.  Although Maple Stadium was nice and served its purpose, it was very similar with regard to the above comments re: Hope's current stadium.  The new one is "state of the art", brings back the great old college feeling/tradition of an "on campus" field/stadium back to Adrian.  Mezannine area will be great - a big attraction (similar to EMU's stadium)  Drawback (although not really) - visitors stands look too small, yet on the other hand, it is my understanding they desired those to be that size so they would be filled rather than have a ton of empty seats on that side due to too large of visitors stands (besides, additional seating can always be added there, and the students will probably also sit on the hill like they did at Maple and do at Hope).

Alma: Nice on campus stadium, in traditional old athletic area nestled among the pines, old iron gates to Balhke Field are great; great view of campus, new style turf puts in in the class of Adrian and Olivet; drawbacks:  front row seats poorly designed in leaving no room for fans to walk by and no "mid-stadium" stairs/exits at that level.  Nice press box.

Albion:  Great old college tradition feel on original athletic field, cozy feeling stadium, the old early 1900's althletic wall around the field and iron gates are great; I like the permanent bricked stands to the back of the athletic building, mezannine area great, natural turf on Morely Fraser Field is usually in great shape.  Good visitor stands right up to the field. Drawbacks: Pressbox needs to be updated/renovated.

Kazoo:  Great natural bowl stadium with neat old college feeling of the original stands built into the hill since the 1930's-1940's.  Natural turf is usually pretty good (they should consider new style turf).  Visitor stands very small, but nice touch with the new "old style" iron gates at visitor side i.e. the now new main enterance to the field.  Drawback: while great 1930's tradition of the pressbox, it is entirely outdated and probably the worst in the league - needs to be completely rebuilt/enlarged, etc. as do the permanment home stands.  While Kazoo's attendance is not overwhelming, when they do have big crowds, it is great - over 4000 a couple of years ago at their Homecoming vs. Hope. Besides, when WMU has a home game, it is great to hear the roar of that crowd across the street!

Olivet:  Finally out of the cellar of the stadium rankings!  Very nice facility, on the traditional original athletic field, nice touch with old iron gates matching with Olivet's history.  Spacious pressbox, nice permanent stands on homeside - seating is appropriate for their usual crowds, when full 2500+ looks great; new style turf is nice again puts it in with Adrian and Alma.

Tri-State:  A very generous and nice alumnus donated the financing for this.  Good on-campus location, adequate seating, pressbox adequate, natural turf satisfactory.  Drawbacks: for a school that used to be scholarship, one might have expected a better stadium.  Currently (as was Olivet previous), their are better high school stadiums.  Perhaps an upgrade to new style turf might be a plus.

Wis Luth:  I have only seen this in photos having never been there.  On-campus stadium and new style turf a plus.  I am told the permament seating is adequate for their current crowds.  It will be sad to see them leave as they have made nice strides and a good contribution to the MIAA during their tenure, however, certainly understandable reasons why they will benefit from their new conference, football notwithstanding.

Calvin:  Worst in the league for this topic! ;D ;)

I forgot to mention that the MIAA stadiums have nice athletic training/sports med facilities either at or very near and accessable to their fields/stadiums.

Thus, those are my thoughts.  Do I have a favorite?  Not sure, again, I like some aspects of all of them when we visit.  To all of our fellow MIAA posters, I will look forward to seeing all of  your comments regarding this topic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on July 17, 2006, 05:44:08 AM
On the topic of MIAA Footall Stadiums, I must say Wisconsin Lutheran's football stadium is impressive, as it is one of the most amazing structures in all of DIII.  I was there last fall when Albion College played the Wisconsin Lutheran Warriors in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  I was impressed with everything.  First of all...I was impressed with its enormity.  It was gigantic.  I loved the turf.  I was surprised by their scoreboard, as it allowed for animation to be played, especially when there was a penalty, or when a team scored, or there was some spectacular play that took place on the field.  The scoreboard allowed for the participating teams to have their names on the scoreboard, instead of showing the typical Home or Visitor.  Also there was a really nice speaker system.  It allowed the refs to be micked up, which for me was the first time I have seen happen in a DIII football game.  The day was a memorable experience.  I was in so much awe.  Its definitely the real deal.  I wouldn't mind playing in that stadium anyday.  However I still hold Sprankle Sprandle Stadium dear to my heart, as its where I have see Albion College play its home games in crowds of 4000+.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on July 17, 2006, 05:56:10 AM
Quote from: ACRULZ on July 07, 2006, 05:40:40 PM
Adrian, Albion, Hope, Olivet, Alma I know at least had JV teams.  I'm not sure about the rest of the league.

I know Tri-State and Wisconsin Lutheran have JV teams as well. I remember watching the Britons take on the JV teams of both Tri-State and Wisconsin Lutheran.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 18, 2006, 10:44:44 AM
Looking at the Pre-season All-American teams I believe once again the MIAA needs to have success in the playoffs.  The MIAA has very good players but the lack of respect stems from early exits in the playoffs.  This year the MIAA will be very competitive and success in the playoffs is very possible.  At least that is my opinion.  Thoughts, comments? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on July 18, 2006, 11:51:17 AM
AlbionMascot-- I agree the WI Lutheran stadium is a thing of beauty.  If you get the chance take a look at UW Whitewater's Perkins Stadium.  Nestled in a bowl shaped depression, their Stadium is really pretty.  I think (not 100%sure)  that it is the largest in D-3.
If you like historic Stadiums, Ill. Wesleyan's is I think the 5th oldest in the NCAA.  Natural grass turf, and the structure makes you feel like you are surrounded in a fortress.
Speaking of Stadiums, how is Olivet's Stadium Structure?  We will be there in the pressbox this fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 20, 2006, 12:58:38 PM
Adrian is ranked 20 by some preseason mags.
Nice to see, had a solid year last year is there a lot of talent coming back?
Is this a reflection of the "energy" around the new stadium and improving image of the league.

Should be a good race for the league title this year.
A few of the teams have a tough looking scedule and out of league schedules. great way to prepare for league play.

Is this the year MIAA gets a win or 2 in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 20, 2006, 03:44:50 PM
There is a lot of energy around Adrian.  However, I believe Don Hansen's poll to be more accurate.  The ranking from Street & Smith's is basically info that is sent in from SID's.  However I do believe Adrian will win the MIAA (I am a little biased here) and compete nationally.  They have the talent and desire to make it to the second round.  Anything beyond that may be stretching it.  But it will not be an easy road as they open up with Defiance, who can be a very scary team with the athletes they have at skilled positions.  Then in week three its on the road to Westminster who cannot be taken lightly.  Albion is at home and will be a hard fought contest, as well as Olivet, Hope, and Alma which are all road games for AC.  So the road ahead is a tough one but as the motto goes around Adrian...Expect to Win!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 22, 2006, 08:52:28 PM
Thanks for the info.

I have heard a lot of talk of the new Stadium, will be nice to see another quality stadium in the league. Should help with crowds and recruits.

Tough to pick a winner in the MIAA this year, looks to be pretty tight again.
Albion will be interesting, have some depth on lines, and WR.
I am a big believer in QB's that execute, not always needing the big play. Defense that makes the offense work, no easy yards. Alma looks tough as usual and the Scot Gun is always exciting, comes down to Defense again for them.

On a another subject good HS allstar game today East over West  tight game.
A little sloppy but to be expected, a lot of time off for the players and mixing players from different teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on July 26, 2006, 10:59:49 PM
I see Adrian's Taz Wallace on the 2006 Preseason All-American team.  What puts him in this position....is he the best player in the MIAA?

He and D.J. Howard, Jr (Adrian) are the only MIAA'ers named, and both are 2nd team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on July 26, 2006, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: Flea on July 26, 2006, 10:59:49 PM
I see Adrian's Taz Wallace on the 2006 Preseason All-American team.  What puts him in this position....is he the best player in the MIAA?


Taz Wallace, Adrian :
2004 pre-season AA . . . not listed
2004 post-season AA . . . 3rd team
2005 pre-season AA . . . 1st team
2005 post-season AA . . . not listed
2006 pre-season AA . . . 2nd team

Can someone share a bit about Wallace's 2005 season?  Why the drop?

Adrian's defensive end, Mike Lewis, did make the 2005 AA team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2006, 11:36:03 PM
We don't take the preseason team into account at all when putting together the postseason team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 27, 2006, 09:51:37 AM
Flea,

Taz may or may not be the best player in the league.  There is no doubt that he is a big impact player and a key piece at Adrian.  In tow years as a starter he is already the schools all time tackles leader and has been named team MVP for two years in a row.  His overall stats for two years are 288 tackles, 22.5 TFL, 6 sacks, 3 ints (2 TD's) 7 PBU's and 4 Forced Fumbles.  He is a great player and a special talent that is not seen to often.  Not to mention the off the field and on field leadership he brings to the table.  He is a worthy all american.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 27, 2006, 09:52:41 AM
Also, heres a great link to check up on stadium progress at Adrian.

http://www.adrian.edu/news/stadium_construction.php
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on July 27, 2006, 10:22:55 AM
Does that ever look like it is going to be really great!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on July 27, 2006, 11:38:18 AM
Looks like the new Stadium is going to be breathtaking.  "It's a beaut Clark!"
Glad to see Adrian put in the new Astroplay surface and has a pretty large pressbox.  Some of the images remind me of Elmhurst when we had to get Astroplay Surface back in 2001 after flooding rains destroyed the field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on July 31, 2006, 12:49:56 PM
Adrain's stadium looks great!  Glad to see they open up w/ rival DC.  Is the stadium going to be located near campus & how much of the seating is reserved?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 01, 2006, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on July 31, 2006, 12:49:56 PM
Adrain's stadium looks great! Glad to see they open up w/ rival DC. Is the stadium going to be located near campus & how much of the seating is reserved?

dc has been:

Good to hear from you and hope your summer has been going well.  Yes, Adrian's stadium it looks very nice (so does DC's - always has).  The stadium is located ON campus, returning to an on-campus site after several decades.  According to their website, it will seat at least 2500 in permanent seating (with 500 on the visitors sides) although certainly more can be seated on the hillsides and the concourse (Adrian has had crowds of 3000-4000+ for big games, Homecoming, etc. at times in the past).  The press release doesn't mention how much of the seating will be "reserved seating", yet regardless, it doesn't appear that anyone will have a "bad seat in the house"!  I would venture to say it will probably generate much more community involvement.  Already, with the new president's vision, enrollment is back up over the 1000 mark (actually over 1300 as updated on the college's website) which is great for the school.

This now gives the MIAA 4 colleges (Alma, Olivet, Wis Luth -although we lose them after 2007 - and Adrian) with the new style synthetic turf.  Does anyone think that the remaining schools will ever put this in?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Briton-DL on August 01, 2006, 09:36:30 PM
Hey Hey about time I get on here!!!
Lets Talk MIAA-
My Pick for the year has to be of course Albion-yes a little bias but hey they do return a lot of skilled players. In addition to them, almost the entire defense returns and the Offensive line stays together with the exception of one Tackle. Man at the top of the Mountain didnt fall there, he got there thru a long hard climb. Pound Purple Pound-
Silver7-Holla at your Boy, walk with a swagger. :P

2.Adrian-Very talented at skilled positions but lack the lines to get them over the hump. Offensive line a little questionable and with the lost of so called All-American Mike lewis, they will lack leadership. Nobody get defended when I call him a so called All-American, just question it when a majority of his stats that got him that Honor were against no-league opponents. Taz will definitely have to lead this team to the promise land. 
3.Olivet -Talented but just doesnt have the discipline to win it all. Plus losing probably the best RB to come out of that school will hurt. They will win but just not the close one's
4.Alma-To young plus QB in my opinion is far to inconsistant
5.Hope-will hurt with out their big play recievers
6.WLC-well lets face they get a few shockers but not enough to win it
7. KZO-Too many coaches, need I say More!!!!
8. TSU-Just not there yet


ADAWGS- Good Luck this season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on August 02, 2006, 12:54:09 PM
Quote from: Briton-DL on August 01, 2006, 09:36:30 PM
Hey Hey about time I get on here!!!

2. Adrian - very talented at the skill positions but lack the line to get them over the hump.  The Offensive line is a little questionable and with the loss of so called All-American Mike Lewis from the defensive line, they will lack leadership.  Nobody get defensive when I call him a so called All-American, just question it when a majority of his stats that got him that Honor were against non-league opponents. Taz will definitely have to lead this team to the promise land. 

ADAWGS- Good Luck this season

How do you think Heidelberg, Defiance and Bluffton would compete in the MIAA?

Your assumption that they are weaker than the MIAA teams could be shaky.  Based on their NCAA playoff performances, the MIAA is a weak NCAA D3 conference.  Doing well outside of the MIAA could be a good thing when looking at post-season honors, unless those three teams are poor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 02, 2006, 01:22:37 PM
Bilk- to answer your question about Bluffton, Heidelberg, & Defiance I would say that Defiance will field a strong team this season (better than last year), Bluffton is rebuilding their program & most posters' from the HCAC board are predicting them at the bottom of the conf., & Heidelberg is one of the weaker teams in probably the strongest or at least one of the strongest conferences in DIII.  So overall, Defiance I feel would be a good team in the MIAA (top three) where the other two would be bottom dwellers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on August 02, 2006, 02:18:33 PM
What MIAA team plays the toughest non-conference schedule?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Briton-DL on August 02, 2006, 03:47:30 PM
First things first, yes those three teams are weak. I know the MIAA hasnt done well in the Post season but I think a lot of that has to be with the simple fact that the MIAA is so competetive that you cant take a week off.The teams in the MIAA pretty much beat the hell out of one another week in and week out. Plus when was the last time any of those teams won a National Championship, Im pretty sure the MIAA has the most recent one. As far as Defiance  competing in the top three in the MIAA, thats a joke. Just look at last years top Four in the League. Albion, Olivet, Adrain, Alma. Defiance got their butt's kicked by Adrian, and Adrian didnt even win the league last year, yes the League winner lost to Adrian, but I will have to say that Adrian did get very lucky in that game to come back after being down 17-0 at halftime. Albion did come out flat the third quater to let them back in it, to win in OT by a field goal. 

As far as Playoff apperance yeah we havent been there probably as often as those other leagues but remeber we just recently got an automatic Bid. I remember a very talented Albion team that went 8-2 that didnt make the playoffs in 2001 and probably would have done some major damage had they. And anyone from the league that was around those years would have to agree with me on that. As far as the Playoff records go's I do beleive that Albion did play Mount Union very often in the 90's and competed very well with them. Losing very close and competetive games to National Champs those years. And if I recall right nobody else really played tightly with Mount those years, it was kind of a cake walk for them after those games with Albion.

In End I would say that those Teams would probably rank in the lower half of the MIAA. Yeah doing good in non-conference games would be a great way to measure a player ability if his stats were extremely high in conference games but when its the opposite you need to question the Non-conference strength. Think about it if the conference was weaker than the those schools wouldnt the Athlete make more plays in those two to three years he was honored that status in League Play.
Like I said before the Non-conference schedule of Adrian is a little suspect!!! end of story. As for who has the toughest Non-conference schedule this year its a toss up between Albion, Alma and Hope. But hey thats just my opinion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 03, 2006, 08:37:39 AM
I'd agree.  Albion, Alma, and Hope have decent non conference schedules with opponents like Wheaton and Wittenberg.  The rest of the MIAA needs to crank things up a notch.  It will be interesting to see who is picked to win the championship later at media day.  Adrian, Albion, Alma, and Hope will be in the mix.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 03, 2006, 09:14:28 AM
I think determining strength of non-conference schedule can be kind of tricky.  It all depends on where you are as a program.  Personally, I think that Olivet has a good non-conference schedule.  Taking on IWU (which will be a much improved team over last year), Elmhurst (which some see as an up and comer in the CCIW) will be good tests for the Comets.  You would expect teams like K-Zoo and Tri-State to have easier schedules since they are trying to rebuild/develop programs.  I don't think it makes sense to get beat up on by top tier programs until your program develops.  I don't know enough about Wis Lutheran's opponents to know about their schedule. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 03, 2006, 04:11:47 PM
I think Albion as a tough non-Conference schedule.
Butler, Theil and Wheaton.

2 teams that are league champs and playoff teams many years.
Theil is highly ranked this year after a very good year last year.

Should prepare Albion for the MIAA.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 03, 2006, 05:18:17 PM
BritonDL - the Berg and Bluffton are bad. Defiance will impress a few this year returning 20 starters and really came on strong after the first 2-3 games last year.  the defense was always strong but i dont think DC scored an offensive point until they switched QB's around week 3-4 and ended up finishing 2nd in the conference.

i dont think you carry much weight with the we beat up each other too much during the league play so it has an impact on post season.  there are still plenty of bottom dwellers and every league has 3-4 teams at the top every year.  look at the competition in the area with PAC, NCAC, OAC, Wisconsin and Illinois conferences?  if you really think the MIAA is top to bottom better than these guys which causes you to beat up each other too much then i want some of that you are smoking.  the MIAA is on par with national respect as the HCAC.  will get a team to the playoffs who may win a game but that is it. 

Albion of the early 90's was a monster but that was a while ago.  i used to be able to see my feet when i looked down but that does not mean i am skinny today.

yes i did play at defiance so i do have to show a little love there but i also played every year we were affiliated with the MIAA so i know how much beating up goes on.  dont get me wrong i love the smash mouth style in the MIAA but i think that has littel effect on your post season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on August 03, 2006, 07:09:09 PM
2006:
Sat., Sep 9   8:00 pm   vs. Albion           
Sat., Sep 16   2:00 pm   vs. Washington U.           
Sat., Sep 23   1:00 pm   at Hope

Would anyone say Wheaton (IL) has a tough non-conference schedule?  It doesn't seem like they're looking for early-season challenges.

since 2000:
v. MIAA ... 5-3
v. other ... 9-1
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 03, 2006, 07:10:52 PM
Well it looks as though the media have picked the Bulldogs to win the MIAA this year.  Albion finished a close second in the ballot, and Hope was third.  Though I generally distrust the opinions of members of the media on such things as this, I certainly hope they're right this time.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on August 03, 2006, 09:13:47 PM
Have Adrian's and Hope's new building projects begun a trend of improvement for many of the MIAA athletic venues?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 04, 2006, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: bulldogalum on August 03, 2006, 07:10:52 PM
Well it looks as though the media have picked the Bulldogs to win the MIAA this year.  Albion finished a close second in the ballot, and Hope was third.  Though I generally distrust the opinions of members of the media on such things as this, I certainly hope they're right this time.  

Actually the media picked Alma third.  The coaches picked Hope third, and Hope was also third in the combined poll.

http://www.miaa.org/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 04, 2006, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: Trailer Dog on August 03, 2006, 09:13:47 PM
Have Adrian's and Hope's new building projects begun a trend of improvement for many of the MIAA athletic venues?


Kalamazoo has a long way to go before they start on their athletic facilities. They recently renovated their library which is incredible, and their student center (union) will be started this fall.  There's talk about a student rec center to the NE of Markin but there's little money for that at this point .  Angell field was partially renovated 5 years ago, and is fine, however Calder (locker rooms at Angell) really need to be updated. Stowe Stadium (tennis) will probably go thru continuous upgrades due to K hosting the USTA's every year.

Adrian's project is interesting. They are banking on larger class sizes to pay for these new facilities and programs (lacrosse). There was no major campaign.  They have all their coaches out on the admissions recruiting road big time. I hope it works out for them.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 05, 2006, 07:54:39 PM
To:  matblake

Wisconsin Lutheran's football non-conference opponents are Valparaiso, Dubuque, Rockford and Concordia, WI. If I recall correctly, Rockford had a great football season last year.

WLCALUM83
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on August 06, 2006, 10:50:09 PM
I am looking for Albion to return to its glory days, as the season begins.  Even though there has been some players that have been lost due to graduation, I feel the new players will step up in a big way this year.  I am curious to see how QB Jake Wilson performs this year.  I look for him to have a monster year.  The Briton offense shouldn't miss a beat.  I was looking at some new players on the 2006 roster,  there are a few things that stand out.  First of all looks like Albion did a tremendous job with recruiting as it has done with years past.  I see that Albion is bringing in size with some players being 300 lbs and above.  That should really help strengthen an already tough offensive line.  Another thing I realized is that Albion recruited a wide receiver out of MN, and a kicker from Brazil.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 06, 2006, 11:39:07 PM
Noticed WLC is picked to finish ahead of Tri-State in the lower half of the MIAA. The longer Matt Kehl stays healthy, the better the Warriors' chances will be. Not to cut them down but if they finish .500 overall on the year it'll be a major step forward.






WLCALUM83
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2006, 09:48:42 AM
Quote from: stinger on August 04, 2006, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: Trailer Dog on August 03, 2006, 09:13:47 PM
Have Adrian's and Hope's new building projects begun a trend of improvement for many of the MIAA athletic venues?


Kalamazoo has a long way to go before they start on their athletic facilities. They recently renovated their library which is incredible, and their student center (union) will be started this fall.  There's talk about a student rec center to the NE of Markin but there's little money for that at this point .  Angell field was partially renovated 5 years ago, and is fine, however Calder (locker rooms at Angell) really need to be updated. Stowe Stadium (tennis) will probably go thru continuous upgrades due to K hosting the USTA's every year.

Adrian's project is interesting. They are banking on larger class sizes to pay for these new facilities and programs (lacrosse). There was no major campaign.  They have all their coaches out on the admissions recruiting road big time. I hope it works out for them.




stinger:

Appreciate the follow-up re: Kazoo's Angell Field, etc.  I agree the field and recent renovations there are fine, although would just again relate that they really do need to construct a new press box and perhaps the home seats could be renovated (some permanent backed "reserved seats" in the middle there would be a nice touch.  I am surprised, however, that as you mention, there isn't much $ at present for those and the other campus projects you talked about.  I can't imagine that Kazoo doesn't have an organization of some rich alumni (or at least well-off alumni) to contribute to all those.  If Hope, Adrian, particularly Olivet and Alma, the latter two of which have a dedicated but not what I would call "heavily rich $ based" alumni base as compared to some of the other schools, can all do it, surely Kazoo can.  Hopefully, in the next couple of years that might occur for them.


As far as the MIAA Annual FB Media Day, results pretty much as expected.  All four of those will be in the race for the AQ Adrian, Albion, Hope and Alma.  I'm sure everyone will agree that it will probably come down to the last week or so again as usual and that the remaining MIAA teams will be spoilers to "wreck havoc" during the course of the season.  Good luck to all the teams.  I also HOPE that the weather is not too extreme (i.e. hot) when camps open next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 07, 2006, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on August 05, 2006, 07:54:39 PM
To:  matblake

Wisconsin Lutheran's football non-conference opponents are Valparaiso, Dubuque, Rockford and Concordia, WI. If I recall correctly, Rockford had a great football season last year.

WLCALUM83

In looking further into it, CUW is usually at the top of the IBFC.  Rockford did have a good record, including a win over WLC, guess I had forgotten about that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 07, 2006, 01:13:43 PM
I'm thinking I might be able to make it out to the Hope/Wheaton game.  Never having been to Holland (except for my brother's wedding in the summer where my whole schedule was already set) any ideas on what some good places to eat are for before and after the game? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2006, 08:14:15 PM
matblake:

It would be great to meet you as well if you make it to the game.  Indeed, there are a lot of good places to eat at; just north of the stadium area on U.S. 31 is all the "eatery" places and malls.  Most of the name restaurant's are there.  Some nice ones downtown in Holland, more atmospheric cafes per se, but the usual good places are north of town.  Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 08, 2006, 10:11:01 AM
It does help.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 08, 2006, 08:27:38 PM


formerd3db

You're quite right that the press box needs to be updated.   You shouldn't be suprised that the money isn't there.  Until Kzoo (administrators and execs) gets serious about their athletic department and realize that athletics can do wonders for a small college, they aren't going to spend money there.   The admin at K thinks that athletics is just another extra-curricular activity like chess club.   Budgets are the same for many sports as they were 8-10 years ago. Embarassing.   We alumns help out where we can, but I highly doubt we'll see a large campaign for athletic facilities anytime soon. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 08, 2006, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: matblake on August 08, 2006, 10:11:01 AM
It does help.  Thanks.

You are welcome.  Let me know closer to the date if/when you are coming to the game.

Quote from: stinger on August 08, 2006, 08:27:38 PM


formerd3db

You're quite right that the press box needs to be updated.   You shouldn't be suprised that the money isn't there.  Until Kzoo (administrators and execs) gets serious about their athletic department and realize that athletics can do wonders for a small college, they aren't going to spend money there.   The admin at K thinks that athletics is just another extra-curricular activity like chess club.   Budgets are the same for many sports as they were 8-10 years ago. Embarassing.   We alumns help out where we can, but I highly doubt we'll see a large campaign for athletic facilities anytime soon. 

stinger:
Except for tennis, right? ;D  That's too bad.  Kazoo has such a rich tradition in athletics, yes, including football as they were one of the very early powers in the MIAA in the 1890's.  At least they aren't going to drop the sport, like it was nastily (and very incorrectly) reported last year by some jerk from somewhere.  Anyway, you alums are to be complimented on helping out as you have and as much as you can.  Keep up the effort and hopefully, the situation with the administration will eventually change.  I have met a couple of profs from Kazoo in brief passing i.e. just briefly and in the course of our conversation, I know they are indeed supportive of the football program.  Keep us posted.  Also, hopefully Brooks will be improve the team in the next year or two.  This being his second year, I look for some improvement - as I mentioned before, they'll be a spoiler and are not to be taken lightly by any MIAA team IMO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 09, 2006, 03:05:39 PM
to throw my 2 cents in... I think football more than any sport draws attention to a school.  Specifically, small schools need attention getters.  The first "main event" for incoming freshmen and their families is the Football Game.  The players who have practiced all summer get a chance to go for a W.  The Cheerleaders get to perform their acts, etc.  and the entire puzzle gets showcased for the first time.
I can't stand hearing about schools, Alumni, or (whomever)  not fielding athletics, or not thinking Athletics is an important part of the college.
Some examples in the CCIW are the Shirk Center at IWU, North Park's new Holmgren Athletic Center and practice facility, Wheaton's Soccer Complex, Millkin's Lindsey Field, etc.  people need to proud and help out their Alma Maters.
Hopefully Kalamazoo can "get with the times" and help their football (and all sports) get the proper help it deserves.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 09, 2006, 03:44:16 PM
Has there ever been any talk about Calvin ever fielding a football team? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: M and L on August 09, 2006, 06:21:31 PM
It is a shame to see K-zoo's football program decline the way it has the past few year because they were always a big for at MSJ.  We lost to them my freshman and soph. in 02 & 03.  Things just weren't the same when they got that new head coach.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Preto on August 09, 2006, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 09, 2006, 03:44:16 PM
Has there ever been any talk about Calvin ever fielding a football team? 

Lots of talk, not much action.

For a few reasons:

1.)  students - Calvin doesn't need 'em, they have plenty.
2.)  money - Calvin's the cheapest school in the MIAA and wants to stay that way.
3.)  staff - they have a hard enough time hiring coaches who work at the college for the sports they have, let alone adding the beast called football.

But....
NAIA Dordt College (Iowa), another Reformed college, is adding football.  They will will field a junior varsity team in 2007 with a full varsity schedule in 2008.


Calvin Has No Plans to Join Pigskin Parade

Friday, October 24, 2003
By Howie Beardsley
The Grand Rapids Press

South Christian won a state football title and Grand Rapids Christian claimed its first conference championship last season. Both have been playing football for decades.

Chicago Christian recently won the Private School League championship in Illinois.

Calvin Christian is bidding for its first berth in the state playoffs this year.

Holland Christian and Unity Christian both are in their first year of varsity teams.

All those Christian high schools feed a considerable number of students -- and potential football players -- to Calvin College, which is well known for its NCAA Division III success in basketball, track and cross country.

What Calvin has never done is put together a football program.

Why?

"It isn't that we're anti-football, but when you have one specific sport leading the way, your other sports are short-changed," said Dr. Marv Zuidema, who serves as the co-athletic director at Calvin while awaiting his approaching retirement.

"We like to see all our sports receive interest."

Hope College, which is Calvin's arch-rival in the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association, has competed in football for decades, yet no one associated with the Flying Dutchmen athletic department seems to complain about being in the shadow of the football team.

The fact is, pretty much all football-playing colleges and universities hang their hat on football, including all the other school's in the MIAA. Football is also the main revenue-maker for all the other sports.

So why not football at Calvin?

"Right now, there's no immediate need or desire to jump into football," Zuidema said. "Right now, it would take a considerable amount of money to come up with all the equipment and good coaches who know the sport and our educational philosophy to play football at Calvin.

"And we'd need a field."

Nevertheless, the idea of starting up the sport at Calvin has been discussed on several occasions.

"We've probably had studies on football every 10 years or so over the last 40 years," Zuidema said. "(But) our biggest philosophy is trying to have a whole basic athletic program, and one we've been very, very successful with."

Calvin did seriously consider an intramural football program in the 1980s, "but, again, finances with regards to equipment, insurance and proper leadership were a drawback," Zuidema said.

Zuidema did not have financial figures to share when talking about the costs of playing football at Calvin.

Co-athletic director Kevin Vande Streek, who will soon become the Knights' official athletic director once Zuidema retires, says colleges that have begun football programs in the recent past have done so to improve enrollments.

"We've closed our enrollment, so we don't need football to bring in students," said Vande Streek, the Knights' men's basketball coach.

"I'm a huge football fan. I love college football, and the opportunity it gives young men who participate. And it's exciting to see those Christian high schools adding football. But I don't know how much interest there is at Calvin to begin football."

According to Calvin president Dr. Gaylen Byker, there will probably never be football played at the school.

"The cost is a huge factor," Byker said. "With Title IX, we would have to come up with more women's sports. It's just not feasible.

"My perception is that football is the most demanding sport to fit into a Christian liberal arts program. Adding football would probably double our sports budget, which would likely raise our tuition costs for all students, so I don't anticipate Calvin having football anytime in the near future."

Among area football fans who are disappointed that Calvin doesn't compete in football is Hope College athletic director Ray Smith, who is also the former legendary coach of the Dutchmen football program.

"Just like basketball, we know we would lose recruits to Calvin if it played football, because Calvin has been known to have a Christian pipeline," Smith said. "But it would be wonderful if Calvin had a football team. It would definitely enhance our league and give Hope a great, positive football rivalry just like we have with Calvin-Hope basketball.

"I guess we'll just have to respect Calvin's decision not to have football, and move on. But it would be very healthy for the MIAA, because in four to five years Calvin would be very competitive with every other football program in league, simply because when Calvin does something, it does it well."

Unfortunately, we'll never know how well Calvin would compete in football, since it appears the school will never play football.

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 09, 2006, 11:42:27 PM
Preto:

  I also was curious as to why Calvin didn't have a football team. Thanks for posting that.



   WLCALUM83
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 10, 2006, 11:57:02 AM
Looks like there are some overriding issues that are inhibiting a football plan.  It is a shame, but I can see why Calvin doesn't go through with it.  Well, one can hope than in the future, the talk about football will continue and perhaps one day we will see football at Calvin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 10, 2006, 03:14:18 PM
Preto=thanks for the quick response & the artical.  I'll agree w/ Hope's response that it would do a lot of positives for the MIAA. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on August 10, 2006, 04:43:52 PM
who will be some of the top QBs in the MIAA this year?  How will Adrian's new stadium affect the other schools?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 10, 2006, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: lakeshore on August 10, 2006, 04:43:52 PM
How will Adrian's new stadium affect the other schools?

Well, I would imagine, at the very least, opposing teams will have to go on mapquest and get a new set of directions ;D.  My guess is that the effect will be more indirect on opposing teams.  Adrian will benefit from the excitement around the new stadium, (presumably) larger crowds, and a more lively gametime atmosphere.  As a result, things will be more difficult for teams visiting the Yet-To-Be-Named (though I might suggest naming it after ADAWG, who happens to be one of Adrian's alltime greats) Stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 11, 2006, 10:21:12 AM
Knowing really nothing about  Adrian (except for its location and team name :) ) is it a school that the community supports? For example, Wheaton has a lot of alums that settle in Wheaton, IL itself therefore the college gets some support from the community.  Yes, it technically also would be considered alumni support, but the support also comes from the community.  I suspect that Hope is similar in this regard.  Any other MIAA schools in the same boat?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on August 11, 2006, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 09, 2006, 03:44:16 PM
Has there ever been any talk about Calvin ever fielding a football team? 

Quote from: Grand Rapids Press

"It isn't that we're anti-football, but when you have one specific sport leading the way, your other sports are short-changed," said Dr. Marv Zuidema, who serves as the co-athletic director at Calvin while awaiting his approaching retirement.

Co-athletic director Kevin Vande Streek, who will soon become the Knights' official athletic director once Zuidema retires, says colleges that have begun football programs in the recent past have done so to improve enrollments.

According to Calvin president Dr. Gaylen Byker, there will probably never be football played at the school.

Unfortunately, we'll never know how well Calvin would compete in football, since it appears the school will never play football.


Two fo the three quoted men are no longer in those positions.  I wonder what the current men's AD, Dr. Jim Timmer Jr., would say about it today?  He spent a few years at a D3 football school, Baldwin-Wallace.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2006, 01:45:22 PM
Re: the Calvin "non" football issue - I'll put in my "2 cents worth".  Believe me, $, student enrollment/recruitment and a field/stadium are not the issues, despite what those from Calvin quoted in the article would have you believe.  Also, as has been mentioned (and particularly in the article quoted), there are a lot of "feeder" Christian high schools that would provide excellent football student-athletes to Calvin.  The truth of the matter is that there are some (many) people at Calvin (i.e. alumni included) who simply do not want football for a variety of other reasons which I won't go into.  I respect their decision, although I personally don't agree with it; certainly as others have said, Calvin would be a great and positive addition to MIAA football if they ever decided to field a team.  However, obviously, that is not going to happen in the forseeable future and I'm not going to "hold my breath" waiting/wondering about it!  :)D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 11, 2006, 10:19:32 PM
Fortunately, K isn't Macalester. Kzoo will never consider dropping football. K does have a rich football tradition (see one Ralph Young) allbeit it has been a long time since they have won the MIAA.    Numbers, however are a problem. Coach Brooks is going to have to figure out how to get guys in. The past few years K has been down to 30-40 players as the season progresses. That's nuts. You can bet that K will be competitive in every game. What they dont have in numbers and talent, they make up for with tenacity.

I have a feeling things will get better.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 13, 2006, 12:55:49 AM
It's been a fast summer, don't you agree.

LOTS of freshmen around campus, some will be a great help to our young team. We return a good core of players. Looking forward to a solid (better than last year) running game and the maturation of our young QB. Our D has to fill three huge holes as does the O, but there is a lot of talent left from last year. We will see how the preseason turns out against Valpo and Concordia. Should we give those teams a tussle you may want to watch out?

The MIAA needs to put a bit of pressure on Calvin to field a football team. Bringing them in as WLC is leaving would solidify the AQ for the MIAA, Tri State keeps the AQ going but adding Calvin cannot be bad. The MIAA is a great conference and I am proud to say we belong(ed). Calvin could inprove an already great show. IMO Kzoo will come around very soon too rich a tradition to let it fall by the wayside.

Congrats to all the pre season all americans - may they all have great year and play with a professional attitude. I hate to see DIII players show boating as if they were in the pros!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on August 13, 2006, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: wlcalum on August 13, 2006, 12:55:49 AM

The MIAA needs to put a bit of pressure on Calvin to field a football team.

I'd like to see more MIAA schools field competative teams in "minor" sports before they start pressuring Calvin to add football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 13, 2006, 09:26:20 PM
to:  wlcalum

This is WLCALUM83. If you need to correct me on anything, just go ahead (I don't know if you've seen my prediction for this year's Warrior squad). If you didn't I said a .500 season overall would be a major step forward.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM
Quote from: Bilk on August 13, 2006, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: wlcalum on August 13, 2006, 12:55:49 AM

The MIAA needs to put a bit of pressure on Calvin to field a football team.

I'd like to see more MIAA schools field competative teams in "minor" sports before they start pressuring Calvin to add football.

Well, Bilk, let's see.  Just what do you consider as "minor" sports and competative in the league?  Seems to me that those situations already exist in both men's and women's sports i.e. women's basketball and softball (Hope, Alma, Calvin and  now Olivet coming on strong); swimming (Hope, while not rivaling Kenyon regarding the team accomplishments on a national level, they always have both men's and women's All-American swimmers and divers), tennis (Hope, Kazoo); soccer is always competative for the NCAA berth (Kazoo, Hope, Calvin and Alma having been in the mix in recent years); track and cross-country is always competative at the various MIAA schools with All-Americans; and golf has been strong at several including Adrian, Hope, Olivet; baseball has been very strong in the past two decades (Alma, Hope, Albion, Calvin and now Adrian).  Not to mention the "minor" sports like hockey (Calvin, Hope) and lacrosse coming on strong (Calvin this year, Hope improving from past years and Adrian making it a varsity sport next year).

I can see your point, yet, it seems to me these other sports have been very competative (and some on a national level - I didn't include the two women's national championships in basketball or the two in men's with the two runner- up positions in the latter either).  Bottom line is that it would not be a problem if Calvin added football regardless of what happens in the other sports (again, that's not going to happen unfortunately) - and wouldn't you agree that even if they did, the "minor" sports can still be encouraged and supported to be "competative"?  Just MO. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on August 14, 2006, 12:22:50 AM
Quote from: Bilk on August 13, 2006, 04:33:54 PM

I'd like to see more MIAA schools field competitive teams in "minor" sports before they start pressuring Calvin to add football.

formerd3, nice post.

IMO, MIAA major sports:
- football
- women's basketball
- men's basketball
- women's volleyball

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

.... softball (Hope, Alma, Calvin and now Olivet coming on strong);

Only four teams, and a couple of those listed are sliding quick.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

swimming (Hope, while not rivaling Kenyon regarding the team accomplishments on a national level, they always have both men's and women's All-American swimmers and divers)

You're correct .... it's the toughest sport in the MIAA.  Hope, Calvin and Ka'zoo have all had teams in the top-10 at the NCAA's in the same season.  But no school has a NCAA legal pool.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

tennis (Hope, Kazoo)

Only two teams trading at the top spot.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

soccer is always competitive for the NCAA berth (Kazoo, Hope, Calvin and Alma having been in the mix in recent years)

Agreed, men's and women's soccer is a major sport at many schools.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

track .... is always competitive at the various MIAA schools with All-Americans

In 2006 the Calvin women (NCAA 5th in 2006) traveled to Angola for a double duel vs. Tri-State and Adrian to compete against TWO women fromm Adrian, none from Tri-State.  Calvin have strong men's and women's team (six coaches), Albion has a strong men's team (two coaches) and Hope's four coaches are great, but look at their facility.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

.... cross-country is always competitive at the various MIAA schools with All-Americans

Calvin dominates with both teams.  The coaches made a rule limiting how many athletes from one school can receive all-MIAA.  This results in many non-all-MIAA Calvin athletes beating all-MIAA athletes every fall.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

golf has been strong at several including Adrian, Hope, Olivet

Some schools bearly field a scoring team.  Where's the top-to-bottom competativness?

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

baseball has been very strong in the past two decades (Alma, Hope, Albion, Calvin and now Adrian)

Good depth, but they do little in the NCAA's.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

.... mention the "minor" sports like hockey (Calvin, Hope)

These club sports are great.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

.... mention the "minor" sports like .... lacrosse coming on strong (Calvin this year, Hope improving from past years and Adrian making it a varsity sport next year)

see above

Quote from: formerd3db on August 13, 2006, 11:21:09 PM

Bottom line is that it would not be a problem if Calvin added football regardless of what happens in the other sports (again, that's not going to happen unfortunately) - and wouldn't you agree that even if they did, the "minor" sports can still be encouraged and supported to be "competitive"?  Just MO. ;)

I think it's important to look at how Calvin budgets it current sports. They have multiple assistant coaches for most sports.  Would football take coaches away from other sports?

Also, the MIAA model for football does not seem to work.  Having faculty coaches limits who the school can hire and teaching limits the amount of time coaches can put into coaching and recruiting.  If it worked I think MIAA teams would perform better at the NCAA level.

It seems like many MIAA program throw away certain sports.  They have limited budgets and at times are coached by people who have never coached the a sport (they are a coach of a major sport and get the other job as a fill-in).  In that vein then football is a throw away sport at Calvin.

Is there any sport tough from top to bottom? 

Have all MIAA schools won a MIAA title in any single sport?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 14, 2006, 10:35:19 AM
From reading some of the notes in regards to Calvin and football, I understand both sides and respect both viewpoints.  I personally, would like to see Calvin at least strongly consider how a football team would benefit/change the school.
Football is not for everybody.  I had a roommate at Elmhurst one year that couldn't stand football.  He couldn't even tell you who the NFL Chicago team is!  That drove me crazy because football is such a big part of my life.
I think if Calvin were to get a football team,  the rivalry between Calvin and Hope would escalate into a good battle.  You could then develop a traveling trophy between the two.  Perhaps the Golden Anchor??? :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 14, 2006, 12:15:15 PM
I too think that football at Calvin would be an interesting scenario.  Let's face it though, having a football program takes commitment to that program, and at least from the above article it doesn't seem that Calvin would have that commitment.  Add on that Calvin hasn't had a football team and there is no tradition for football.  Then there is the money factor, it is expensive to field a team.  Although it would enhance the MIAA I think, it just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 14, 2006, 06:01:08 PM
I don't buy this cost talk.  I think this is the first time I've ever heard it raised in regards to a football program.  At most schools, football is the biggest money maker.  True, there are some significant startup costs, but a football program at Calvin, if done properly (and it would be unlike Calvin if they chose not to do it right) would pay for itself in a very short amount of time.  It's a matter of commitment, and a question of whether Calvin would want to commit itself to running a football program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2006, 06:23:11 PM
It's a money maker if you need to bring in tuition-paying students. It isn't clear that Calvin feels it needs to do that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2006, 10:07:50 PM
Thanks Bilk.  You do have some good points. As far as the minor sports all being competitive, that doesn't happen in the major ones so why would we expect it to happen there (besides, this is no different than any other DIII conference in regards to all the sports - also, although I brought it up, we can exclude the "national" basis and perhaps better confine this to just the "league level" for purposes of this discussion.

On other aspects, I wasn't going to do this and rather "leave this lay as is", however, since others have continued the discussion re: Calvin football, at the risk of boring some people (or "beating a dead horse" to use that old cliche), I'd like to make some additional comment.

First, I agree with bulldogalum.  Yes, it costs $ to start up a collegiate program, however, it is not out of the reach whatsoever for Calvin to do it - again $ there is just not the problem.  Pat has hit it right on the head about the main reason why (in addition to my comments about some of the Calvin "higher-ups" including alumni and Jaybird's as to some people just not liking football- PERIOD).  There are many written articles on the cost of starting up collegiate football programs in the last five years or so as many colleges and universities (including some of the larger institutions at DII or DIAA levels) and it can be done with about $250,000 without skimping.  As far as a field, Calvin certainly has the $ (i.e. it could be easily raised) if they wanted an on-campus stadium, however, that isn't absolutely necessary if one wanted to "save some $" as there are many football facilities within a short drive from their campus which I have no doubt some arrangements could be made (at least for the first few start up years).  Again, if schools like Olivet and Adrian can raise the $ as they have (and especially Olivet), no way that Calvin can't do it.

As far as your coaching statements, not all the MIAA schools have the coaching "set-up" as you relate.  Alma was one of the first to go with non-teaching coaching positions in football and while not everyone agrees with that philosophy, it seems to work for them, and quite successfully in the past 10 years as can be seen.  I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.

At any rate, please allow me to once again relate that this is not intended as a negative in any way towards our Calvin friends, posters/supporters (fans) here - while I don't agree with the school's decision, I respect it and it is their right to choose that way.  But again, like Pat says, they don't see the need to increase enrollment and certainly not via a football program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 15, 2006, 02:54:58 PM
formerd3db-- How was your trip up north?  Hopefully, you were able to get the R&R  that keeps us going.  I am going to pick up the radio equipment today from Elmhurst, which is one of the first signs that football is approaching! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on August 15, 2006, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: bulldogalum on August 14, 2006, 06:01:08 PM

I don't buy this cost talk.  I think this is the first time I've ever heard it raised in regards to a football program.  At most schools, football is the biggest money maker. 

Not that I know, but I would be surprised if ANY D3 football team brought in more revenue than their expenses.  At the D1 level 50% of the football teams make more money than they cost. At the D2 level, Grand Valley State University football (three time NCAA champs) has $600,000 more in expenses than in revenue.

Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2006, 10:07:50 PM
.... it is not out of the reach whatsoever for Calvin to do it - again $ there is just not the problem .... As far as a field, Calvin certainly has the $ (i.e. it could be easily raised) .... if schools like Olivet and Adrian can raise the $ as they have (and especially Olivet), no way that Calvin can't do it.


Calvin has struggled to raise money for a new Athletic/Fitness Center for the past few years.  The money is not flowing like some think, many Calvin alums are more committed to giving to academic programs (ie. new Science Building).

Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2006, 10:07:50 PM
.... however, that isn't absolutely necessary if one wanted to "save some $" as there are many football facilities within a short drive from their campus which I have no doubt some arrangements could be made (at least for the first few start up years).


Good point.  Grand Rapids is a large city with many nice stadiums.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on August 15, 2006, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2006, 10:07:50 PM
As far as your coaching statements, not all the MIAA schools have the coaching "set-up" as you relate.  Alma was one of the first to go with non-teaching coaching positions in football and while not everyone agrees with that philosophy, it seems to work for them, and quite successfully in the past 10 years as can be seen.  I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.


Many MIAA schools state that they believe in a teacher/coach philosophy, but their hiring practices do not follow.

How many MIAA teams are coached by part-time staff? 
How many MIAA HPERDS departments hire and retain faculty that cannot coach? 
Many MIAA schools can't hire multiple part-timers because there isn't anyone in the small town that can do the job?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on August 15, 2006, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2006, 10:07:50 PM
I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.


Quote from: Trailer Dog on August 15, 2006, 05:24:18 PM
Many MIAA schools state that they believe in a teacher/coach philosophy, but their hiring practices do not follow.

How many MIAA teams are coached by part-time staff? 


Hope College's head coaches:

coach Stu Fritz, admissions staff (baseball)
coach Glenn Van Wieren EdD, professor (men's basketball)
coach Brian Morehouse, director of Dow and DeVos (women's basketball)
coach Wes Wooley, self-employed graphic artist (cheerleading)
coach  Mark Northuis PhD,  professor (cross country)
coach Dean Kreps MA, associate professor (football)
coach Bob Ebels, independent businessman (men's golf)
coach Eva Dean Folkert MA, women's AD (women's golf)
coach Steve Smith PhD, professor (men's soccer)
coach Leigh Sears MA, assistant professor (women's soccer)
coach Karla Wolters MA, associate professor (softball)
coach John Patnott PhD, professor (swimming)
coach Steve Gorno, Johnson Controls (men's tennis)
coach Karen Page, director of DeWitt (women's tennis) 
coach Kevin Cole PhD, associate professor (track and field)
coach  Becky Schmidt MA (volleyball)

Nine of sixteen Hope College head coaches are not teaching staff (assuming the AD also teaches).  Seems like Hope has already "gone that route".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:00:08 AM
Some additional comments/clarifications to the discussion:

Flea:

If you want to be specific, then a clarification is appropriate.  The majority of Hope's head coaches are in teaching positions and I think you would agree that the major sports have this.  It is doubtful that any of their major sports head coaching positions (not counting J.V. teams) would be given to "part-time" coaches i.e. those not affiliated in some official capacity at the college.  I believe that was within the context we were talking - if not, my apologies for not clarifying that aspect. :)


Bilk:

Personally, I don't believe that there are not plenty of people in the small MIAA towns who could do the job as "part-timers". ;)  I would dare say that all the MIAA towns have such people who could - rather those people choose not too.  Moreover, many of the MIAA schools have "part-time" assistant coaches on their staffs (we're talking football here) who travel quite a distance to coach each day and on weekends and they do so because they want to (and are qualified to do the job).  They just happen to either hold other jobs and/or are graduate students working on their advanced degrees.  To the best of my knowledge, most of these positions are paid positions also (at least I know they are at some of the schools).



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:04:06 AM
Addendum:  I might be wrong, but I believe Coach Fritz does have teaching responsibilities on occasion (or has done so in the past).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on August 16, 2006, 12:11:28 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:00:08 AM
Bilk:

Personally, I don't believe that there are not plenty of people in the small MIAA towns who could do the job as "part-timers". ;)  I would dare say that all the MIAA towns have such people who could - rather those people choose not too.  Moreover, many of the MIAA schools have "part-time" assistant coaches on their staffs (we're talking football here) who travel quite a distance to coach each day and on weekends and they do so because they want to (and are qualified to do the job).  They just happen to either hold other jobs and/or are graduate students working on their advanced degrees.  To the best of my knowledge, most of these positions are paid positions also (at least I know they are at some of the schools).

I was told firsthand by an MIAA head coach that he could not hire most assistants even if he had the budget to becasue he did not know who he would hire.  When you look at Calvin's XC and T&F staff, six paid XC coaches and six paid T&F coaches plus a few volunteers ..... this is partialy due to Calvin's location in a community of 500,000 people. 

Can Adrian, Alma or Albion find that many solid coaches within commuting distance?  I know you disagree but still .....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on August 16, 2006, 12:17:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:00:08 AM
Some additional comments/clarifications to the discussion:

Flea:

If you want to be specific, then a clarification is appropriate.  The majority of Hope's head coaches are in teaching positions and I think you would agree that the major sports have this.  It is doubtful that any of their major sports head coaching positions (not counting J.V. teams) would be given to "part-time" coaches i.e. those not affiliated in some official capacity at the college.  I believe that was within the context we were talking - if not, my apologies for not clarifying that aspect. :)


Good point, we were discussing "major" sports.

Quote from: Bilk on August 14, 2006, 12:22:50 AM
IMO, MIAA major sports:
- football
- women's basketball
- men's basketball
- women's volleyball


Would you agree with Bilk?  Are these the "major" sports?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:18:54 AM
Bish':

Hmmm, that is interesting.  I am surprised at that comment from that head coach, whom I obviously have no clue who that might be.  On the other hand, I find it surprising because I know of another head coach there who would confirm actually the opposite.  There are many qualified people (perhaps more than you may know) who would love the opportunity to serve as assistant coaches on the staff, however, it is not the right timing at present i.e. circumstances otherwise prevent that.

And yes, all three "A" schools can find/have found (particularly the northern most school) solid coaches within communting distance (I know this from first hand info/experience, both past and present "history"). ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on August 16, 2006, 12:21:08 AM
I stand corrected.  I have only heard that from one head coach.

I guess my other evidence is the lack of good coaches in the MIAA in so many sports.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 16, 2006, 12:21:20 AM
Thanks Flea and Bilk and Bish' for an interesting discussion.  Had to get my "late night" DIIIfb.com fix! ;D  Time to retire for the evening but will look forward to further topics/discussions in the near future.  Take care.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on August 16, 2006, 12:37:17 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2006, 10:07:50 PM
I'm not so sure that is the way to go for a variety of reasons (some of which includes non-athletic reasons related to mentoring a student-athlete) and which is why Hope will never go that route.


Quote from: Trailer Dog on August 15, 2006, 05:24:18 PM
Many MIAA schools state that they believe in a teacher/coach philosophy, but their hiring practices do not follow.

How many MIAA teams are coached by part-time staff? 


Calvin College's head coaches:

coach James Timmer Jr. PhD men's AD (baseball)
coach Kevin VandeStreek MA, professor (men's basketball)
coach John Ross MS, associate professor (women's basketball and men's tennis)
coach Brian Diemer, independent businessman (cross country)
coach Al Hoekstra, independent businessman (cross country)
coach Brian Bolt PhD, professor (men's golf)
coach Jerry Bergsma MA, professor (women's golf and women's tennis)
coach Chris Hughes, independent businessman (men's soccer)
coach Mark Recker, independent businessman (women's soccer)
coach Deb Bakker HSD, professor (softball)
coach Dan Gelderloos MA, instructor and aquatics manager (swimmming)
coach Kim Jong-iI PhD, professor (track and field)
coach Amber Warners MA, professor (volleyball)


Four of fifteen Calvin College head coaches are not teaching staff (assuming the AD also teaches).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 16, 2006, 10:36:03 AM
Quote from: Bish' on August 16, 2006, 12:11:28 AM

Can Adrian, Alma or Albion find that many solid coaches within commuting distance?  I know you disagree but still .....

I think so.

True, Adrian is not the thriving metropolis that Grand Rapids is, but Toledo is 35 minutes away, Jackson is 40, and Ann Arbor is 45.  I think all of those qualify as "commuting distance." 

Albion, too, can draw from Jackson, as well as Battle Creek and Lansing, all of which are easily under an hour's drive.

Alma has the roughest go of it, but it's not too terribly far to Saginaw, and Mount Pleasant is just down the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 16, 2006, 10:41:28 AM
In terms of Coaching Staffs, Adrian is probably leading the league with some change.  For the first year ever Adrian has a fulltime 8 person coaching staff, with no teaching commitments.  All part of the progress that President Docking is bringing about.  This will be it posting for me as we start camp this afternoon at 1pm.  Good luck to all this season and I hope some of you get a chance to check out the new stadium when it is complete!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 16, 2006, 11:05:10 AM
We'll miss you on the board, DAWG, but I'll see you on the sidelines...I just ordered my season tickets yesterday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 16, 2006, 12:14:25 PM
Just so I understand.  What's everyone's opinion on coaches having other responibilities other than coaching?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Preto on August 16, 2006, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on August 16, 2006, 12:14:25 PM
Just so I understand.  What's everyone's opinion on coaches having other responibilities other than coaching?

IMO, it seems like it's a budget issue.

Many athletes are shorted because the demands on their coach's time (teaching, research).  But many students are shorted because of the time demands on their professors (commitees, research, writing).  With limited, tuition driven budgets, most D3 schools are hard pressed to fill their staffing needs with full-time coaches if they want to treat all their sports equally.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 16, 2006, 06:01:56 PM
Coaches that are full time coaches?

Just off the cuff I would guess that the vast majority of coaches fill another role, either on or off campus. If that be a teaching role at the campus where they are coaching... or a job off campus.

IMO the coaches should play an active role in their student athletes education. Best to be fully involved with the student who is struggling before it affects their athletics. Yes that means I would support coaches being a teacher. Same a a city employee having to live in the city where they are employed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 16, 2006, 06:10:19 PM
At Elmhurst, the majority of the coaches are employed full time.  The Head Coach is obviously full time, the Def. Coordinator and Off. Coordinator are both full time with other jobs on campus.  The former Baseball Coach was also the Chair for Athletic Fundraising, so each coach has multiple duties.
IMO, I am indifferent whether they are full timers or not.  I think as long as bring their energy and committment to help the kids excell... that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 16, 2006, 06:13:15 PM
OK I have been gone all summer - what happened to the message system? I have a new message from someone, its blank, and I cant delete it!! Am I just proving my computer savey or is something wrong with hte message system? ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 16, 2006, 07:51:39 PM
With camp in full swing, any info on scrimmages upcoming before season?
How many players dress for games, I know there is a official number max allowed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 16, 2006, 09:53:31 PM
Quote from: wlcalum on August 16, 2006, 06:13:15 PM
OK I have been gone all summer - what happened to the message system? I have a new message from someone, its blank, and I cant delete it!! Am I just proving my computer savey or is something wrong with hte message system? ;D


The same thing happened to me.  Glad I am not the only one.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2006, 11:22:15 PM
It relates to the spam message that was sent out by a new user the other day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 17, 2006, 04:48:44 PM
Thanks Pat - now, how do I get rid of it?! Guess it dosn't really matter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 21, 2006, 08:28:13 AM
Anybody see the Albion vs GRCC scrimmage Friday?
Wondering how it went and what was the format?

Fall is here College firing up, HS games this week. Best time of the year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 25, 2006, 11:48:47 AM
So is this the calm before the storm?  Nobody saying much of anything - must be busy with fantasy teams or something  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 25, 2006, 12:25:13 PM
Got a joke to break up the monotony.

Four ministers got together to confess their sins to each other:

1- "My sin is that after the morning service, my throat is so dry I go home and have a beer!"
          (Bad)

2- "My sin is that after the morning service, I go home and I smoke a great big cigar!"
           (Awful)

3- "My sin is that after the morning service, I find myself short of money so I steal from the collection plate!"
            (OUCH!!)

Finally, they get to the last man:

"What is your sin?"
"I can't tell you, it's too bad!"
"Aw, come on, after all we shared ours!"

(Long pause for effect.)

4- "All right. My sin is gossip, and I can hardly wait to get out of here!"


(Drum rim-shots, tomato throws and/or stage drag-offs via cane optional).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2006, 03:26:39 PM
FDF:

I was thinking the same thing myself.  :)  You are right; we need to have our MIAA'ers step-it-up a bit this year.  Our board has always "lagged" behind the others regarding # of pages for posts for some reason(s) - not sure why.  We can't be that much busier than those guys on the other boards, are we??!!! ;D

Anyway, here's to encourage our fellow MIAA posters to participate more this fb season.  I look forward to seeing some good commentary and discussion.


WLCALUM83:

That was a good one. :)  We all need a little levity once in awhile around here on these boards (and in life in general, I think!) :)  Thanks.  BTW, welcome to the MIAA board.  We're sorry to see your alma mater leave after next season in 2007, but WLC has been a fine addition to the MIAA.  I'm sure they'll have fit in well in their new league when the time arrives.  Until then, we'll look forward to the compeition on the 'ole gridiron with them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2006, 03:28:23 PM
Addendum:

Oops.  Not sure why all those lines were in my last post.  I tried to clear them out and thought they were and it appeared so on the "preview".  But alas, when I posted it, they are still there.  Sorry about that; the postings are sincere, however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 25, 2006, 04:59:24 PM
WLCALUM83 - great joke, I had to instantly send it to my wife, who is the Children's Ministry Director at our church.  I'm sure the entire church staff will enjoy it as much as I did.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 26, 2006, 12:12:45 AM
Heard a great blonde and hillbillie joke today but they would need a bit of editing to go to print.

fd3db - admit it - you did the lines just to mess us up. ;D

Good preseason games - may set the tone for the season.

I think this year the MIAA is as evenly matched as ever. The top four and the bottom four leave very little room for mistakes. No clear favorites in my eye.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 26, 2006, 01:17:44 PM
wlcalum:

I could take "the 5th" on that - I am crazy enough to do such "bizaaredness" [is that a word??? ???]!  However, really, I have no idea how those lines got in there. ;D

Anyway, in all seriousness, I think you are right about the parity in the league in both tiers this year and you make a good statement i.e. ". . .very little room for mistakes."

It is interesting to see everyone's picks on the "MIAA Pick 'em" board (thanks to our poster for creating that).  Those teams open up next weekend; Hope has their final and Annual Inter-squad scrimmage the same day.  As some of our colleagues previously discussed earlier this summer, the non-conference schedules should give us a decent indication of how our teams are going to be this year - perhaps better than in past years.  However, as we all know and have been saying as in the above past few postings/discussion, when it comes to the league race - anything goes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2006, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 25, 2006, 03:28:23 PM
Addendum:

Oops.  Not sure why all those lines were in my last post.  I tried to clear them out and thought they were and it appeared so on the "preview".  But alas, when I posted it, they are still there.  Sorry about that; the postings are sincere, however.

Don't use the brackets to put the (s) in parentheses -- that's why god made parentheses. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 26, 2006, 10:11:14 PM
(parentheses) - bizaaredness - my such big words.  ;D

Can't wait for next weekend - high school ball has already started -  there is no better time of year - except for the high school wrestling season. Have you noticed that some of the best football players also were very good wrestlers in high school? Hard work says it all!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 26, 2006, 10:36:42 PM
Thats true Wrestling is all about effort and conditioning.
Many of the FB players are also Track and Field Runners or throwers great way to work on speed for sprinters, strength and footwork if your a thrower.

Good opening week, some tough games  for MIAA labor Day weekend.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2006, 02:05:42 PM
I moved your pick board to the spot where it belongs, with the others.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 27, 2006, 11:12:14 PM
Sorry Pat.  Thanks for the explanation re: the brackets.  I didn't do it on purpose, really.  Yours noted accordingly for future reference when posting!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2006, 09:41:18 AM
You know it can get really confusing with all these options sometimes it makes it really hard to just type
a message  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 29, 2006, 04:03:46 PM
FDF:
Good to see another Dutch fan with some levity! ;D BTW, it will be interesting to see what transpires at the scrimmage Sat.  I thought I heard that a freshman has the inside track on the kicking position, but that was some "3rd hand" rumor.  I have not heard who has the inside track so far on the QB position, but suspect it could be last year's back-up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2006, 04:40:38 PM
d3db - I'm going to be out of town this weekend, but will look forward to hearing (reading) your assessment of the scrimmage.

Got to have some levity - there's not much else going on right now  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 29, 2006, 05:55:05 PM
It's getting close now, isn't it?  I'll really be interested to see how Albion fares against Butler, with Butler's new coach trying to get off on the right foot.  And, of course, I'm REALLY looking forward to the next weekend, when the Bulldogs open their new stadium.  Football is sneaking up in a hurry, and I'm sure the board will be much more active once it arrives.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 29, 2006, 06:25:56 PM
FDF:
Hope you have a great weekend.  Except for the scrimmage, I'd be going o-o-t too!  Will report about it when you return.  Have a safe trip.

bulldogalum:
Yes, it will be interesting to see how the Albion/Butler clash turns out.  They have been close in recent years with Albion having the upper hand as the "other Bulldogs" have not been up to the caliber of such a IAA team, even if non-scholarship.  I could be wrong, however, tend to think that Butler will be a little tougher against Albion this year with a their new coach, even though most situations like that take awhile for a new h.c. to get his system going and improve a team to their next level.

Like you say also, indeed it will be exciting to see Adrian in your new stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2006, 09:45:56 PM
Looking forward to listening to the Adrain/DC game on the web!  Wish I could be there but living out in California doesn't give me many chances to make it back for a game.  Excited though that Adrain opens their stadium against a rival like DC.  Should be a good game too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 02, 2006, 09:33:03 AM
Best of luck to all teams seeing their first action today.  Let's get some nonconference wins for the MIAA!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 02, 2006, 03:41:09 PM
Finals:  Albion 31, Butler 10  :D
            Manchester 26, Tri-State 22  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 02, 2006, 05:56:25 PM
Valpo 54 - WLC 0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2006, 08:53:19 PM
Well, I was "way off" on the Ablion-Butler prediction.  Seems Butler has a long way to go to get to the likes of some of their counterparts in their league i.e. Dayton, San Diego, Moorehead State and even Stephen F. Austin.  I thought, perhaps, that with a new staff Butler would put on a much better showing, but regardless of what level, it does take time to turn things around.  Despite differences of opinions on this subject in past discussions on numerous boards by many people, I still am of the opinion that at it's best, DIAA non-scholarship football is a step above DIII - yet certainly it depends on the particular school and how they want to promote their program.   Although Albion is very good, I'm not sure that a full assessment can be made just yet until they play some better teams (although we could perhaps say that about some of our other MIAA teams).

Other results are about what I expected.  It appears Valpo is back on the rise (although they did win their league a couple of years ago or so), and I did think that WLC would have a better showing against them, even though I picked Valpo.  Tri-State and Manchester?  The latter is improving and again, apparently Tri-State had a better showing i.e. the didn't get pasted at least it appears from the score (admittedly, I do not have any info as to how the game actually went).  Like Butler, it will take a while with a new staff at Tri-State to improve the program.

Hope's final intra-scrimmage was very promising today (wonderful weather).  I thought it was a much better performance by both offense and defensive squads than last year's scrimmage.  Thankfully, no one got hurt (unlike the past couple of years).  Offense looked very good, although there is a battle for the QB position (my inside sources relate that it is between two right now, soph and Sr. as I recall).  Defense should be better than last year; appears a little bigger, but DB's will have to step it up a bit I believe.  However, Defensive coord/DB Coach Ricketts and Coach Vandermeer will have them ready I'm sure.  Overall, I feel more confident for Hope's start than last year, yet as we all know, anything goes - especially when you start out with an AWAY game far away.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 02, 2006, 09:40:17 PM
Albion Butler overview.

Albion looked fast and diverse in Offense. Mixed run and pass well.
Wilson throws a nice ball with a touch. He also can avoid the rush and steps up in the pocket well.
3 very very good WR for Albion, Big TE for Albion is a load. The recieverswent up and caught the ball even in traffic.
Solid running game, wide or between tackles, have some speeed there.

Albion defense was fast to the ball and tough on the power run game.
Defense stepped up each time Butler made a big play and gained field postion.

Albion had a little trouble on punt exchanges coverage and long snap.
Hopefully this can be corrected special teams wins close games.
FG team was solid, no issues on XP or FG.

Butler has good size on the lines, but was being beat off the ball.
Solid LB's for Butler. DB's were too small and not aggressive enough, or the WR from Albion are just that good.
Butler quick slants were effective when run but not much else.

Great start for Albion and a nice day on Campus. Good crowd with the holiday weekend, I am sure a lot of students went home.
traffice coming form eastside of MI was not bad with U of M playing @ 12:00
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 03, 2006, 12:13:44 AM
First off, I'd like to start by apologizing to the Albion Britons.  Clearly, they've got their act together a bit better than I'd given them credit for.  Further, Butler, it would seem, has a LONG way to go before it turns things around.  Congrats to the Brits on a fine win to open the year.

Also, as I was in Adrian today for a friend's wedding, I figured I may as well stop by the new stadium to get a look at it for the first time in a couple of months.  Let me just say, I'm absolutely giddy at the thought of thousands of people filing into that stadium to watch a game there in a week.  It's going to be a special place, and a place I'll get to as frequently as possible to watch the Bulldogs play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 03, 2006, 08:15:49 AM
I'm in Florida on a quick "before the kid goes to school" vacation, and was sure that I would be out of the loop on scores until I checked here.  Imagine my surprise when (while catching a bit of the Michigan/Vanderbilt game on ESPN)  I see the Albion/Butler score scroll by on the bottom.  Pretty cool!!

Congrats to the Brits!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 03, 2006, 03:02:08 PM
Yeah, that's always nice.  Butler, being a Division I school, is always reported on the ESPN Bottom Line.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 03, 2006, 05:24:18 PM
It is cool to see your school scrolled across the bottom of the screen. Too bad for the last three years we have been on the loss side of that scroll.  :'(

Good to see Tri State gave em a run for the money, hope they have improved over last year. Albion - keep on rolling, WLC - get it together boys!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: the_wing_t on September 04, 2006, 10:28:42 AM
Okay, Hope....better bring your BEST Dutch letters to Pella with you next week.  I'll put Jaarsma's Bakery's letters up against ANY you can bring down from up North! 

Hope you all have a safe trip to Pella.....too bad Coach Schipper couldn't be here for the game.  He would have been proud of the meeting between the two.  And you guys are gonna love the new field.....played on it two weeks ago at the Alumni game and it is pretty sweet! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bob89 on September 04, 2006, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on September 02, 2006, 03:41:09 PM
Finals:  Albion 31, Butler 10  :D
            Manchester 26, Tri-State 22  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bob89 on September 04, 2006, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on September 02, 2006, 03:41:09 PM
Finals:  Albion 31, Butler 10  :D
            Manchester 26, Tri-State 22  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2006, 10:37:28 PM
Yes, it will be a tough game in Pella on Sat.  I agree it is too bad Coach Schipper is gone - he would have loved this one.  With Central having "one under their belt" already, I agree, Hope has to bring their top game.  There is no room for mistakes.  It will be interesting to see what plays out - it is also difficult to believe this is the first meeting ever between the "sister" schools. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on September 05, 2006, 12:59:39 AM
Saturday, Sept. 2 Players of the Week

Offensive  - Albion senior quarterback Jake Wilson of Romeo (Romeo HS) completed 20-of-29 passes for 273 yards and a touchdown in the Britons' season-opening 31-10 victory over Butler. He also rushed for 37 yards on seven carries.

Defensive - Tri-State senior linebacker Travis Foster of Monroe, Ind. (Adams Central HS) was credited with 15 tackles, including 2.5 for lost yardage, in the Thunder's season-opening 26-22 loss to Manchester.

Special Team - Albion senior placekicker Sayun Allen of Jackson (Jackson HS) was a perfect 4-for-4 on PATs and he kicked a 32-yard field goal in his first collegiate football game. He was a member of Albion's soccer team his first three years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 05, 2006, 01:41:03 PM
I've long wondered why college teams do not go harder after soccer players for their kicking ability. Just the average HS soccer player could make some noise in football kicking the ball. Yes it would take practice, but what a way to make a college team. I tell the little guys who are out for HS football to grab a tee and go kick the ball! Want to make the Varsity? Kick the ball! A summers worth of practice could get you a scholarship.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2006, 06:42:01 PM
College teams should allow kickers to play soccer & football.  Really all you need a kicker for is probably 2 days a week. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 05, 2006, 06:50:01 PM
it would cost the D3 school a bundle...1 less student  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 05, 2006, 10:05:12 PM
Soccer and football at the same time?

Several questions.

Which practices would the player attend?

Which games would he play (in the event of Saturday games if the soccer team was at home and the football team on the road, or vice versa?)

Wouldn't being active in both sports at once cut big into an athlete's academic study time?

Just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 05, 2006, 10:21:39 PM
Can I sign up Nigel from "The Replacements"  for the football team?  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2006, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on September 05, 2006, 10:05:12 PM
Soccer and football at the same time?

Several questions.

Which practices would the player attend?

Which games would he play (in the event of Saturday games if the soccer team was at home and the football team on the road, or vice versa?)

Wouldn't being active in both sports at once cut big into an athlete's academic study time?

Just throwing it out there.

Which practice?  Usually soccer - how much involvement does the kicker have in the overall fball practice anyway?!

Which game?  Unless the player is indispensible to the soccer team, I'd say fball.  There are fewer fball games in a season, and the kicker is likely to be more crucial than most individual soccer players.  (Besides, there are probably plenty of soccer benchwarmers with strong legs, but other defects - the kicker need not be a soccer starter).

Cut big into academic time?  Not necessarily.  Practice time does not need to be very much over either alone.  If the soccer team never plays on weekends, game time may be an intrusion, but I doubt that is very often the case.

I'm firmly against any RULE against both - play it on a case-by-case basis
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 06, 2006, 09:14:58 AM
For our local high school (West Ottawa) the last two kickers on the football team are also soccer players - of course they are sisters (girls soccer is played in the spring) and their dad is an assitant coach on the FB team.  Both very accurate at what they do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 06, 2006, 09:55:30 AM
FlyingDutchFan-- That's like the movie "Necessary Roughness" where they have model Kathy Ireland doing the kicking chores.   :D
At my High School, we had a woman try out, and MAKE the Wrestling Team. She was pretty good too! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 06, 2006, 02:49:24 PM
I wrestled a few women in high school.....   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 02:51:14 PM
any pins ?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2006, 03:03:21 PM
Had a female noseguard on my team in high school.  She was about 5'4" 225 pounds & she could grow more facial hair then me at the time.  That is one you wouldn't want to pin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 03:05:15 PM
"Boo facial hair on a female nose guard. Hooray electrolysis."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 06, 2006, 04:20:02 PM
Yes, lord knows I had some moments during my "wild" hs days.  I can recall one time, skedaddling out of a girl's house because Daddy was there with his shotgun.  No in all seriousness, all this guy had to do was give you a stern look, and THAT was scary enough!  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on September 06, 2006, 10:03:38 PM
I just saw the most recent pics of Adrian College's stadium, and I have to say it has to be one of the most beautiful stadiums in DIII.  I was impressed by looking at the pics, yet at the same time somewhat jealous.  I wish Albion would upgrade Sprankle Sprandle Stadium.  Seems like a lot of schools are putting forth money towards building new stadiums and arenas.  I definitely have the Albion-Adrian game circled on my calendar, as I plan on making the trip to watch the Britons take on the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 07, 2006, 06:11:03 PM
Out here in WI we had a girl take second in the state in wrestling this past spring and she will be a senior this year. Also had a girl wrestle at team state a couple years ago. Some are tough most are ...well girls.
Just your average soccer player could be a very good kicker for the football team. Something for coaches to think about come recruiting time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 08, 2006, 09:32:01 PM
I posted this on the CCIW board also, but the Albion vs. Wheaton game will be broadcast on the Internet over d3football.com
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 12:39:59 PM
End of 1st Qrtr:  Cornell 10, Alma 7 (Cornell threatening to add more.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 01:11:45 PM
Halftime:  Cornell 17, Alma 10.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:02:04 PM
Just less than 3 minutes to go in the 3rd:

Alma and Cornell tied at 24! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:24:54 PM
Approximately 6 minutes left:

Alma 31, Cornell 24.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:33:34 PM
Cornell threatening again. . . 2 minutes left
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:35:59 PM
Alma making a goal line stand. . .
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 02:44:02 PM
Final:  Cornell 32, Alma 31. OUCH!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 04:51:56 PM
Hope's trailing by 11 late in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 07:18:44 PM
Have Adrian's new field dedication rites going on as I write. (I'm reminded of WLC's Homecoming festivities back in 2004. That was the only time I got to look at Warrior Field in person, and the team scored 2 touchdowns in the last 6 minutes to knock off Kalamazoo, 21-14.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 08:37:53 PM
Halftime:  Defiance 3, Adrian 0. No lie! ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 09:28:57 PM
End of 3rd Qrtr:  Defiance 3, Adrian 0. (More of a defensive battle than I expected).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 09, 2006, 09:30:47 PM
Your Hope guys did a great job the first half.  I think the Dutch just caught fire the second half.  I think it was a tale of two halves.  Central couldn't stop you guys the first two posessions, Hope did anything they wanted.  The second half Hope couldn't do anything at all.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 09:55:24 PM
Adrian's down 10 late with Defiance threatening yet again. . .
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 09, 2006, 10:04:51 PM
Sounds like the MIAA's gonna take the oh-for today. Rats!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 10, 2006, 12:40:32 AM
I hope some of you were able to hear the Albion/Wheaton game over the web.  Tough evening for Albion who never was able to get on track at Wheaton.  I was impressed with Albion's second QB  Hodkins  who came in to replace the starter.  Was he hurt or did Coach Rundle just try to mix things up with a new QB?
Hope the MIAA has better results next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2006, 11:10:08 AM
0(h) my!!!! :(  Hope and our MIAA colleagues took it on the chinstrap bigtime yesterday.  While we (MIAA) have the AQ, this does not look good for the league with regards to handling non-conf competition, and especially in the playoffs.  Of course, there is still a long way to go and definitely, the main goal is to win the league (that is for Hope to win the league ;D).

It appears Hope was coasting well in the 1st half, but fell apart in the second (concentration? or what?).  It appears that Albion and Adrian never got on track.  As for the others, I have no info, but perhaps some of our colleagues here could fill us in.

A few other surprises yesterday with Wabash and Linfield losing.  Looks like this will be an interesting season, but...again it is still early.   Thoughts anyone?

Also, I didn't get a chance to hear the Albion/Wheaton game, but I'm sure Jaybird and his colleague did a good job.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on September 10, 2006, 11:10:44 AM
Anyone have an Olivet Score?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2006, 11:16:06 AM
d3dl:
Olivet lost to Ill Wesleyan 21-7.  You can go onto the MIAA website for all the scores
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Post by: dc_has_been on September 10, 2006, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: Briton-DL on August 02, 2006, 03:47:30 PMAs far as Defiance  competing in the top three in the MIAA, thats a joke.

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Post by: 79jaybird on September 10, 2006, 03:28:46 PM
formerd3db-- I didn't get any phone calls for broken windows or cpu's after the broadcast..  so I guess everything went well.  ;D
Albion ran into a strong Wheaton team that surprised me.  The Thunder's defense, and in particular Andy Studebaker, was unstoppable all night.
Albion's defense gave them opportunities to get back into the game.  In fact, the Britons defense had the Thunder at 3rd and long from their own goalline at one point.  I still think long road trips are hard no matter who's playing.
I hope the MIAA can get back on the right track(s) next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2006, 10:08:24 PM
jaybird:

Glad the broadcast went well.  I didn't think you'd receive any broken windows, tomato throws or your banner ripped in shreds! ;D

Sounds like it was the Albion offense that was the cause of the tough game.  I'm sure they'll rebound.  I am still surprised at the Adrian score; I figured Alma would have a very close game as they did.  Obviously, I'm disappointed in the Hope score as are others "in our camp". :(

Anyway, on to week #3 (or two for some of our teams ;D)

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Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on September 10, 2006, 10:13:04 PM
Looks like the MIAA was M.I.A. this weekend :D
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Post by: bulldogalum on September 11, 2006, 12:18:43 AM
Well, I suppose it's time to weigh in on the Adrian game.  I apologize for my tardiness in writing, but it's been a busy couple of days.

First, the stadium.  It's an excellent place to watch a game.  The seats are right on top of the field, and the individual seatbacks are comfortable.  The narrow entryways from the concourse into individual sections give the field a big-time feel.  An interesting note:  From my seats in Section E (about the 42 yard line) I could clearly hear the Defiance coaching staff from their spot in the pressbox.  At times this was interesting, and at other times, infuriating.

The crowd was massive.  There were more students at this football game than I've ever seen at an Adrian athletic event, and I can only hope they continue to show support on that level.  It was really a great atmosphere.  It was also really cool that they had the gameball parachuted onto the field right before gametime.  The postgame fireworks show was also quite nice.

And now onto the game...

The big crowd was looking for a reason to get excited, and early on, some big hits by the defense helped to some extent.  I haven't looked at the time of possession statistics, but it seemed like our defense was on the field for a very long time, and often in poor field position.  In spite of that, the defense performed well.  For the most part, they were aggressive, and made good tackles in big situations.

Unfortunately, the offense did not fare as well as the defense on this night.  Though the Bulldog offense moved the ball the length of the field on several occasions, ultimately they made enough mistakes at bad times to cost them.  Bottom line, you cannot turn the ball over 5 times and expect to win the game, especially when two of those turnovers come on the way into the endzone.  The Bulldogs lost DJ Howard early in the game with what appeared to be a knee injury (no word on just how serious, though), and that clearly hurt their big play potential.  Hopefully they can make a few adjustments heading into next week that will allow them to put some points on the board.

Defiance was a solid football team, and they played like they had something to prove.  I think they cherished the thought of spoiling a team's first game in their new stadium, and they certainly did that.  They would be competitive with any team in the MIAA, there's no question about that.  In spite of that fact, and in spite of last night, I still honestly feel that if Adrian and Defiance were to play 10 times, the Bulldogs would win 8 of them.  These things happen sometimes.

At the end of the day, it was a great night in a stadium that, I am sure, will see many great games over the years.  The defense was tough, and the offense is going to have to improve, but should be able to do so before the conference season starts.  Beat Bluffton.
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Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 11, 2006, 11:14:02 AM
i think Defiance being in week 2 helped a bunch.  the DC game last week against Otterbien was almost the exact same.  5 turnovers cost the game and would love a shot at playing them again.

i used to love playing at adrian so i can only imagine how sweet it is with the new stadium.
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Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2006, 01:56:42 PM
bulldogalum:

Thanks for the info regarding the game.  Must have been great to be there to see the crowd.  Sorry you team lost, but as you and dc_alum relate, "that's the way it goes" sometimes.  Since the MIAA was "0 for" this past weekend, they need to rebound this upcoming one.  I'm sure at least some of the teams will, but as I mention, that doesn't exactly help a ton for the offseason.  As all of us have discussed on here in the past, the MIAA teams need to establish beating their non-conf opponents on a regular basis to help in the playoffs.  Until they do, I'm afraid it will be awhile before we see another team advance since Albion in 1994.  Anyway, on to week #3.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 11, 2006, 02:52:47 PM
formerd3db-- thank you for your confidence in me.  We had a good time and hoped the game would have been closer.  Albion just couldn't muster up those long, profitable drives early that put added pressure on their defense.  I am also sorry to hear that Hope couldn't pull out the W in Iowa.
BTW,  did my package arrive safely in the mail for you?  I hope you enjoy the two pieces of literature inside.  MR  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BigJ70 on September 11, 2006, 06:24:34 PM
Bulldog Alum,
I too was at the game and enjoyed the stadium and the atmosphere it generated.  It took me this long to muster up a comment here at D3.com because of my disappointment in the outcome of the game.  Here are some observations that welcome comments, especially from a Bulldog alum, and also former 3db as you obviously keep up on what is going on the in the M I 2 A.

-Its obvious to me that Adrian has abandoned the sound running, ball control offense that has been a staple of the good teams in the past.  Even in Coach Lyall's era of winning seasons the dawgs had a meaty back that could control the ball and get some yards on the ground.  We have fallen into the trap of the flashy offense with speed burners all over the place and when a QB has a less than average night we're left with a goose egg on our new scoreboard.

-Our defense is solid but when left on the field all night, any defense will weaken.

-I understand that numbers are important, especially in light of a $6.5 million stadium project...you gotta pay the bills, BUT I counted 150 players on the sideline Saturday night.  I hope we have not sacrificed quality depth with sheer numbers.  Does that make sense?  I hope practices are demanding and players are getting the reps, that's what makes champs.

-I would have saved the fireworks for the first victory, not just the first game.

I hope the Dawgs bounce back against Bluffton.  I hope to be there to give a report next week.  Again any comments are welcomed.  GO DAWGS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 11, 2006, 07:56:20 PM
BigJ70:

I'm not sure that Adrian has completely abandoned the ball control running game.  I was certainly disappointed with the run schemes we saw on Saturday, but I never give up on a team after one game.  I hope we can pound the ball and punish defensive lines more as the season continues, that would go a long way to improving the offensive output.

Obviously, our defense spent too much time on the field.  We have to find a way to get them some rest time, or else it's going to be a long season.

Your point regarding numbers is well taken.  However, I think the additional players are the result of an effort to really increase both the quantity (obviously) and the quality of student athletes at the school.  I can't speak as to the number of reps the reserve players get during practice, but I also hope that everyone is given an opportunity to work and improve in their position.

It would have been nice to save the fireworks for the first win, but it would also be impractical.  The game on Saturday, unless I am mistaken, is to be the only night game this season.  So basically, the first home win will end at roughly 4 pm, not exactly prime time for fireworks viewing.  It was a good show, though.  Too bad it had to be accompanied by the sick feeling in my stomach following the loss.

I think they'll bounce back and play well against Bluffton.  Certainly, this game will be largely about pride.  At this point, they're not playing for rankings or anything else, the league isn't starting yet, so there is no league title to worry about.  They just need to play well for themselves.  Hopefully I'll be there as well, and I look forward to a much improved effort.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 11, 2006, 08:52:46 PM
formerd3db,


I think Hope ran out of gas.  At the fourth quarter start your defense walked from the sidelines to the other end of the field.  The offense for the Dutch ran to the ball.  After the first scoring drive of the second half your D-line had their hands on their hips and looked gassed.  Just an observation.  You D-line was big but I do feel that they were not in the best shape as they seemed to be slower in the second half. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2006, 09:06:04 PM
BigJ70:
Welcome to the board.  Thanks for your comments.  You'll be joining bulldogalum (and DAWG in the off-season) as among our Adrian posters.  Also, in 1999, Adrian did have about 170 players on the roster (that included the J.V.'s).  There have been some extensive discussions over the past 1-2 years on these boards (not just the MIAA board) about roster 3's with varied opinions on that.  Anyway, you make some good points.  We'll look forward to your contributions here.

jaybird:
You are welcome.  Great story, BTW on your email!  Glad the broadcast turned out okay.  I will let you know about your first issue newspaper.  Good luck this weekend.

DutchFan2004:
Thanks for your observations.  Yes, I think we are much bigger in size on the line compared to the last couple of years.  However, you bring up a good point about conditioning.  We'll have to see how that plays out in the next couple of weeks.  Congrats on the win and a nice event in re-dedication to the new stadium to Schippers.  I'm disappointed I couldn't make the trip.  Best of luck for the rest of the season.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 11, 2006, 09:19:53 PM
formerd3db,

I was sure impressed the way you guys started.  Your Hope Dutchman took control.  I am not sure if it was partly because we didn't know what to expect and we played a little more loosely than we normally do or Hope's excellent execution on the first two drives.  Your QB could do no wrong.  He had all the time in the world to throw and he found the open guys.  After the second Hope drive the Pella Dutch didn't let Hope move the ball.   I think Hope can do some great things this year from what I saw.  GOOD LUCK THE REST OF THE WAY AND GO DUTCH!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 11, 2006, 10:34:27 PM
I saw the first half of the Albion game this weekend.
Great atmosphere in Wheaton a lot of energy with the game being the first game under the lights.

Wheaton is a good team, great size in all positions, big WR and DB's. Which is something you do not always see in D3.
QB was very mobile and had several big key runs on 3rd down when Albion brought pressure.
The turnovers and mistakes under pressure that Albion had in the first quarter set the tone for the game. Albion was on it's heals early and Wheaton capitalized.
Glad to see Albion settle down and play better in the second half.

Was Wilson (Senior QB ) hurt? did not see him in the game, after what I thought was a good game against Butler.

We will see how Albion responds to a bad game with another tough road game VS Thiel.
I think Albion will respond with a good game.
Great set up for a MIAA run, assuming Albion looks good against Thiel.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2006, 04:59:25 PM
DutchFan:
Thanks and good luck to your guys also.

D306:
Yes, indeed it will be interesting to see how these teams "rebound" after this past weekend's disappointments.  I think that you are right in that it could be a good set up for an MIAA run for any of them, especially since Hope and Albion meet on Sept 30th.  However, Hope has to deal with Wheaton on the 23rd, so they had better bring their "A" game after seeing how Albion fared.  It will be @ Hope, but will still be a tough one I'm sure.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 12, 2006, 07:06:45 PM
DB

I agree tough game for Hope at Home.
Wheaton was very good on line play. The DE Studebaker (spelling) ws in the Albion backfield way to often. Wheaton DB's that jump the route so a hitch and go would be a great call after a couple of passes.

Hope has 1 advantage that Albion did not have/ Wheaton and the Crowd and for what it worth was "FIRED UP" for the firstr game under the lights.
I still feel Wheaton was the better team but the emotion and the bad start for Albion really set them back and by the time Albion recovered the game was well in Wheatons hands.

I feel playing a tough out of conference schedule is always a help as long as you come out healthy and have a win and are competitive.

Hope VS Albion will be a big game to set the tone for each schools season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2006, 08:21:39 PM
D306:
Agree with you.  Also, thanks for the inside(insight) info re: Wheaton. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 12, 2006, 10:01:52 PM
Wheaton is a very strong opponent for Hope (and for all the other CCIW members), however they are not "untouchable"  and haven't played as well on the road.
I think the Albion/Wheaton game would have been a different story if the Britons could have controlled Andy Studebaker and that D-Line.
One advantage Hope will have is a traveling Thunder Team.  Albion looked a little "out of sorts" to start the game, perhaps due to the traveling.  The same thing may/could happen to the Thunder this week.  I think this is the second straight good MIAA/CCIW matchup this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 12, 2006, 10:14:51 PM
Ah, that should read in 2 weeks when Wheaton faces Hope.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 07:29:29 PM
End of 1st Quarter:  Manchester 0, Olivet 0.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 07:52:19 PM
5:00 left in 2nd Quarter:  Olivet 14, Manchester 0.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 08:14:17 PM
Half:  Olivet 17, Manchester 0.
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Post by: scotty on September 14, 2006, 08:29:01 PM
Thursday night football...it's the Big Time...
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 08:54:05 PM
6 minutes left in the 3rd Quarter:  Olivet 17, Manchester 14.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 09:03:29 PM
End of 3rd Quarter:  Olivet 23, Manchester 14.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2006, 09:40:06 PM
Not that it really matters, but out of curiosity: does Olivet going from 17 to 23 reflect 2 FGs or a TD and missed extra point?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 14, 2006, 09:49:41 PM
TD and missed extra point. BTW, the Comets increased that lead to 33 to 14 late in the fourth, so barring an astronomical catastrophe, Olivet opens up with a win at home.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 14, 2006, 10:24:20 PM
does Olivet even have a kicker?  my Jr year they went the hole year with out kicking an extra Pt.  funny thing is most of thier fakes was out of the PAT formation or the muddle huddle
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2006, 11:04:17 PM
To get to 17, I would certainly assume they had 2 TDs, with extra points, and a FG.  And to go from 23 to 33, I would assume a TD, EP, and FG. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2006, 11:26:05 PM
This may be a dumb question (and I should know the answer to it, yet I do not), however, here goes anyway:
Why was Olivet's game vs. Manchester tonight i.e. on a Thursday instead of as per usual this Sat?  Was there some special reason or did they just want to do it like the MAC and/or some other conferences do, such as the ESPN Thursday night games?  Just curious.  BTW, Olivet apparently won just as many of us thought.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 15, 2006, 12:25:11 AM
Congrats to Olivet on their first W for 2006.  I was secretly hoping they wouldn't have won, because that makes Elmhurst's job that much more difficult, because Olivet will have the mo factor on their side.  Course, Elmhurst has to get past U Chicago first.  I am looking forward to a good battle next week at Olivet between the 1-1 Comets and 1 (hopefully 2) and 0 Bluejays.
Re:  Thursday Night games... (I am sure this is probably NOT the reason they played this game on Thursday), however in my high school conference, one of the schools we played had a large Jewish population.  They would have Thursday games scheduled on the weeks of Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah,  for religious purposes.   That's the only "other" time I have seen Thursday night games played, other than TV and $$ factors for ESPN.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 06:50:33 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2006, 11:04:17 PM
To get to 17, I would certainly assume they had 2 TDs, with extra points, and a FG.  And to go from 23 to 33, I would assume a TD, EP, and FG. 

   Two touchdowns, a 2-point conversion after the 2nd, and a FG for the first 17. (bobbled snap on extra point attempt after first TD.) 23-33 is exactly accurate. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 08:03:48 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on September 14, 2006, 10:24:20 PM
does Olivet even have a kicker?  my Jr year they went the hole year with out kicking an extra Pt.  funny thing is most of thier fakes was out of the PAT formation or the muddle huddle

Olivet does have a kicker--Kyle Zabel. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 12:36:00 PM
End of 1st Quarter:  DePauw 0, Hope 0:
   (If Hank Stram was still around he'd say both offenses have been in "Lawrence Welk" mode--1, 2, 3, punt--1, 2, 3, punt--so far, anyway).
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 12:47:32 PM
DePaw 3, Hope 0 approaching midway through the 2nd.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 01:15:01 PM
DePauw 9, Hope 7 (Half)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 02:07:04 PM
End of 3rd:  DePauw 16, Hope 7.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 02:34:17 PM
4:36 left in 4th-- DePauw 16, Hope 14.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 16, 2006, 02:46:59 PM
Final:  DePauw 23, Hope 14.  :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2006, 09:36:06 PM
Looks like Hope is in trouble.  When you only get 21 yards net rushing (51 net by your to RB), it is hard to win games - and we have Wheaton next, but it is our place.  Still will be a tough game for sure.  Albion barely gets by Theil (not sure how to judge them as yet); as does Adrian.  Kazoo didn't lose by much either, much closer than I had anticipated; Alma squeeks by in OT.  It also appears that Tri-State is improving.  My underlying feeling is that the non-conf schedules will be "a wash" somewhat and that the "good 'ole MIAA" race will be a shoot-out as usual.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 16, 2006, 11:23:59 PM
formerd3db:

I tend to agree as to the nonconference results. 

Sounds like Hope is dealing with the same problems as Adrian on offense, although the Bulldogs looked much better offensively this week than they did last.  Add that to the fact that the defense didn't give up any points (Bluffton's TD came on a kickoff return, and we blocked the PAT), and we should at least be close in every game. 

It's always tough to go and get a big win on the road, and Albion did a nice job of that today.  I hear the radio broadcast from Thiel was somewhat less than partial, by the by. 

I think we'll learn quite a bit more in the next few weeks.  I think Olivet is better than anticipated, and Tri State appears to be improved.  As usual, there's not really an easy week in MIAA action. 

As a sidebar, how about the maize and blue today?  Very nice win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2006, 12:48:20 AM
bulldogalum:

Good to hear from you, friend.  I agree with you as well.  Olivet just might surprise some people and as always, are a "dangerous team" and "someone to be watched"! ;D  I'll tell you one thing: both Adrian and Hope better "get serious" or they could be in for a long season.

As far as the DI "boys", yes U of M had just a super day today.  Really made all the "nay-sayers" think twice and also that perhaps ND is not as good as some of the pollsters promoted them to be.  However, you know how Mich has a tendency to "blow it" after a big win like that, and of course the MSU rivalry is always "anyone's guess" - a crapshoot! ;D Also, I am not a fan of Weis, however, have to give him credit for being very sportsman like and giving the deserved kudos to Mich.

Speaking of MSU, I was indeed surprised at how they blew out Pitt in the second half.  Pitt just fell apart, kind of like Hope did last weekend and today in the second half.  I believe Pitt is a better team than they showed in the second half today - they'll just have to rebound.  Also, Northwestern (always a favorite of mine despite being a U of M fan as my dad went to the latter) just gets by Eastern Michigan.  Just shows us how far NW has dropped this year.  Although they are above .500 right now, I think they will definitely have trouble in their Big Ten schedule.  No doubt some of that has to be a result of their prev h.c. Walker's unfortunate death this summer.

Anyway, I could discuss more, but alas, it is getting late; too late.  So I will sign off and look forward to talking with you and our fellow MIAA'ers here again soon.  Take care.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on September 17, 2006, 09:09:32 PM
Players of Week #3

Offensive Player of the Week
Alma senior quarterback Josh Brehm of Ithaca (Ithaca HS) accounted for more than 400 yards of total offense as the Scots defeated UW-Eau Claire 33-30 in overtime. He completed 36-of-57 passes for 358 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions. He also rushed for two touchdowns gaining 76 yards on 24 carries. He is being honored as player of the week for the fifth time in his career.
Other Nominations: Troy Niblock, Adrian; Tom Pratt, Olivet; Courtney Sanders, Tri-State

Defensive Player of the Week
Hope junior end Matt Rugenstein of Grand Rapids (GR Christian HS) was credited with 7.5 tackles for a loss, including 4.5 quarterback sacks in 23-14 loss to DePauw. He ended with ten tackles, six of them solos, for lost yardage of 32 yards.
Other Nominations: Joel Howland, Adrian; DeRan Thomas, Olivet; Doug VanEerden, Hope; Caleb Barnes, Alma; Ryan Malone, Adrian

Special Teams Player of the Week
Albion senior Jeff Stowers of Brighton (Brighton HS) averaged 41.5 yards per punt with two inside the 20-yard line as the Britons defeated Thiel, Pa. 24-20. He executed a perfect fake punt late in the game gaining 11 yards to keep the drive alive that led to the winning touchdown. He also played the entire game in the defensive backfield intercepting a pass and making five tackles.
Other Nominations: Kyle Lindsay, Adrian; Ken Lackscheide, Olivet; Nathaniel Fitzsimmons, Tri-State
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 12:47:35 AM
Strange, but we haven't heard from any Olivet or Kazoo posters.  Rome, where are you? ??? :)

Also, to you WLC guys:  Sorry about the 3rd loss.  Tough situation for your team.  I thought they would have a better showing in their non-conf games (except for perhaps DIAA Valpo).  Hopefully, they can rebound going into the MIAA schedule, except, of course, not against Hope! ;D  ::) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on September 18, 2006, 03:30:45 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on September 18, 2006, 02:58:56 AM

9-23 projections:
Wheaton all over Hope

So true, this could get ugly. 

Do you see this as a possible turn-around game for the Dutchmen?  Will it push the program in a new and better direction if they can beat the Thunder?  Not just a new direction for 2006, but for years to come?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jim Matson on September 18, 2006, 06:40:23 PM
Wheaton's year thus far has been good, but as has been stated over on the CCIW board, it is too early to come to any definitive conclusions.  Wash U and Albion were both blow outs for the Thunder but both games were at home.  On the road in front of a good crowd at Hope might lead to a different outcome.

Thus far though, the Thunder defense is as good as I've seen it in years, so Hope will have to move the ball well to have a shot.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 06:50:04 PM
Hello Mr. Soccar-Man from Wheaton!  Yes, friend, I believe you are right.  Hope's defense has not been too bad overall in their first two games despite the losses.  The problem has been the offense and turnovers.  Indeed, Hope's offense will have to eliminate the latter (and of course move the ball, take advantage of potential scoring opportunities) to have a chance against your Wheaton.  While home field advantage and a probable decent crowd since it is our first home game (although being 0-2 could hurt that a bit) are +'s, as you know, doesn't guarantee a win.  I think it will be a good game, however, it certainly could be a blow-out (I HOPE not for us! ;D).  Even though Wheaton has blown out A & W as you mention, they seem to be pretty balanced.

BTW, are you going to make the trip up here this year?  If so, let me know - it would be great to meet you. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 06:51:49 PM
Hiker Jim:
I may have made an "oops"! :-[ Were you a soccer guy or runner at Wheaton? ???  Someone told me and I forgot. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 18, 2006, 06:53:49 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 06:51:49 PM
Hiker Jim:
I may have made an "oops"! :-[ Were you a soccer guy or runner at Wheaton? ???  Someone told me and I forgot. ;D

He's the moderator for the soccer boards, if that helps!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2006, 08:02:03 PM
Thanks, Mr. Ypsi! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 19, 2006, 10:33:56 AM
With Tri-State's new offensive scheme, how many in-conference games will the Thunder win? (Giving an up-to-now second-division team a little more attention.) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 19, 2006, 01:58:36 PM
Personally, I think this weeks game between Hope and Wheaton will be the toughest the Thunder have had yet.  Wheaton has not been away from home yet and the two have some history between them.  Personally, if Wheaton controls from the defensive side of the ball as they have been, it might turn into a long afternoon for the Dutchmen IMO, specifically because of formerd3's post.  Hope should be pretty fired up for their first home game though. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 20, 2006, 03:42:46 PM
Saturday's Elmhurst/Olivet game will be a homecoming for 5 Bluejays.
QB Mike LaFleur   Mt. Pleasant, MI
TE/WR Lex Cisler  E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Matt Long       Mt. Pleasant, MI
WR Graeme Jarrell  E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Blake Veldhuis Mt. Pleasant, MI
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 20, 2006, 03:44:04 PM
79jaybird:

Is there any specific connection between Elmhurst, EGR, and MP, or is that just a terrific coincidence?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 20, 2006, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: 79jaybird on September 20, 2006, 03:42:46 PM
Saturday's Elmhurst/Olivet game will be a homecoming for 5 Bluejays.
QB Mike LaFleur   Mt. Pleasant, MI
TE/WR Lex Cisler  E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Matt Long       Mt. Pleasant, MI
WR Graeme Jarrell  E. Grand Rapids, MI
WR Blake Veldhuis Mt. Pleasant, MI

jaybird, any idea if all the Mt. Pleasant guys went to the same high school?  Same with the E. Grand Rapids guys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 20, 2006, 08:29:10 PM
MatBlake- Mike LaFleur, Matt Long, and Blake Veldhuis are all from the same high school.  Mt. Pleasant, MI (HS) is what's listed in the football program.
Lex Cisler and Graeme Jarrell are also from the same high school in East Grand Rapids.
BulldogAlum- I know Elmhurst has recruited heavily in Michigan and Wisconsin. This is a bit of a change from when I played, when EC recruited heavily in Florida.  I think when I played, 1/4 of our team were Floridians, and now we have a fair mix of talent.
72 from IL
5 from MI
3 from WI
2 from CA
2 from FL
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 22, 2006, 10:15:04 AM
I looked at the stats and Hope definitely appears to be a team that likes to pass.  If the weather is bad, what kind of impact will it have on the game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 22, 2006, 11:02:47 AM
matblake:

As you mentioned over on your CCIW board, the grass field could have an effect if it rains in regards to the passing.  Although Hope has shown a tendency for the passing game, with rain conditions a short pass pattern game would have a better effect in moving the ball.  Even then, however, they have to refrain from turnovers i.e. interceptions which has hurt them in the previous games.  As I mentioned before, avoidance of those (turnovers) will be the key for Hope, in the sense that either team could still play a good game without turnovers and get beat.

I HOPE the weather is decent tomorrow, however, the current reports are not promising.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 22, 2006, 11:18:22 AM
Thanks formerd3.  I was going to make an attempt to get out and see the game in person, but the rain and a "honey do" list take precedence this week, especially with our trek to Illinois planned for Wheaton's Homecoming. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 22, 2006, 02:25:23 PM
Big game for Hope.
Need a win going into league play.
Wheaton and Albion played earlier how much of gage do you think this game is for Hope.
bad game for Albion at Wheaton under the lights first time at Wheaton,Couple bad turnovers and it was on.

The week off for Albion gives them an advantage to plan for Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:23:47 PM
Just past midway point of 1st Quarter:

Alma 7, Wittenberg 0.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:29:46 PM
End of 1st:  Alma 7, Wittenberg 7.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:39:22 PM
Alma 14, Wittenberg 7-- a few minutes into the second quarter.
(So far both offenses have been able to move the ball--Alma as expected---that Wittenberg running back Murray is getting his fair share of yardage to this point.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:43:13 PM
Wittenberg got a long kickoff return--just tied the game at 14-some 10 minutes left in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 01:52:04 PM
Midway thru the 2nd:  Alma 21, Wittenberg 14. (The Alma broadcast team says it's raining in Wittenberg-impending delay down the road???)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 02:05:25 PM
2:00 left in the 2nd:  Wittenberg and Alma tied at 21.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 02:13:20 PM
Wittenberg got another turnover, but couldn't move the ball:

Tigers and Alma Scots tied at 21 at the half:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 02:39:57 PM
Approx.  11:30 left in 3rd:  Alma 24, Wittenberg 21.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
End of the 3rd:  Wittenberg 28, Alma 24.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 03:10:55 PM
Just less than 10 minutes left:  Wittenberg 35, Alma 24 (Murray broke a long run for a TD).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 03:25:08 PM
5:16 to go: Wittenberg 42, Alma 24. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 23, 2006, 03:27:06 PM
Sounds like Alma is in self destruct mode.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on September 23, 2006, 03:27:06 PM
Sounds like Alma is in self destruct mode.

Final:  Wittenberg 42. Alma 24.

The rain started coming down harder late in the game, for one. Secondly. Alma's D gave up one long pass play and one long run play (respectively), both for TD's. Thirdly, the Scot's O was slowed down big time late. If Tri-State brings their A game next week and Alma comes out flat on the road, that will be a more interesting than expected match-up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 04:00:51 PM
I've shifted to the Franklin-Tri-State game; The Thunder team is in a barn-burner as I write.
28-28 in the 4th Quarter. (That's not a typo-folks).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 04:04:48 PM
5:09 left. The Thunder are at mid-field on offense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 04:11:48 PM
Tri-State turned it over, got a stop. 90 yds away, less than 2 minutes left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 23, 2006, 04:21:56 PM
Franklin 31, Tri-State 28, Final. (Franklin held, and got a long kickoff return to put them in range, then a late field goal.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 23, 2006, 05:38:02 PM
Tough loss for Tri-State.  3 losses by a td or less.  Looks like if they can keep everyone there they may be a contender in the future.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on September 23, 2006, 09:19:40 PM
Ouch...
4-18 pre-league season!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 23, 2006, 09:54:01 PM
Just returned from Olivet College after driving from Olivet to NW suburbs of Chicago in wall to wall heavy rain!  Ugh!  I hate driving in inclement weather. Literally I was driving 25 mph on the expressway because the rain was coming down so heavy.  Dark, ominous skies  and just poor driving conditions.

As I mentioned on the CCIW I want to compliment Olivet College and their Staff.  Geoff, your facilities, accomodations, and school are second to none and A+.  Your field ( I love the end zones!) and press box is beautiful.  Very spacious, comfortable, and not a bad view in the booth.  Thank you for your help during the weekend.

Coach Sparks, it was great to hang out with you and your wife at "The Gavel" Friday Night.  Except  hehe,  I was asked by one of our Assistant Coaches if I "gave away any of our secrets."  ;D
No in all seriousness, I stayed in Charlotte, MI   and really enjoyed my stay/weekend with you folks. 

As for the game,  I think the game has a whole different makeup and storyline if Olivet doesn't have the 3 major turnovers early.  3 turnovers were converted into 17 points... that is a huge hole to dig out of.  Secondly, your running back #2  is going to be a great one in the coming years.  I hope he sticks with the program and ( I believe he's only a Soph?) has two more years.  #2's running really impressed me.

That is the first win ever for Elmhurst in the state of Michigan and against a MIAA opponent.  They were previously 0-4  losing to Alma during a stretch from 1994-1997.

Best of luck to Olivet and the MIAA in the upcoming MIAA season.  (MR)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2006, 01:19:22 AM
WLCAlum:
Thanks for the game scenarios.  Also, a thanks for helping our board "get up there" in pages for posts!  We have a long way to go to even think about catching up with the other boards! ;)  Anyway, appreciate your contributions.

To fellow MIAA'er's:  see my post (i.e. opinion) on the CCIW board about the Hope/Wheaton game.

jaybird:
Glad you had a good time on your trip (except for the drive and rain - I had the exact same experience driving back from Hope tonight as well :P)  Also, good that you had some time to hang out with a former "Hopeite" i.e. Coach Sparks!  He was a great player for us awhile back.  Congrats on the Elmhurst win.  Sounds like they are a good team and have a good foundation/start heading into the league play.  Still, I was very impressed with Wheaton today.  But like any team, on any given day, they could be beat.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 24, 2006, 10:48:03 AM
formerd3db-- thank you and I too am glad you made it home safely.  You mentioned a tornado warning in Grand Rapids.  I hope everybody was o.k. and there was no tornado spotted.  Get this!  I had just finished dinner on Friday in Charlotte, MI when I go back to my hotel.  I turn on the Weather Channel to get a forecast for Saturday's game.  The first thing that the Meteorologist says is this: "Right now we want to focus on the Chicago Area where there is a dangerous situation... There is a tornado SPOTTED!  in Park Ridge, IL heading towards Niles, (and other suburbs etc.) 
I nearly choked on my glass of water (yes it was water!  ;D )
Park Ridge is adjacent to Mt. Prospect so now I am really worried about the folks at home.  I called home and my Mother says, "Well, we are in the basement, the sirens are going off, the streets are flooded, and it is really dark!"
Thankfully, there was no damage, just a lot of water.
I was watching the MSU/ND game and the heavy rain that was pelting Spartan Stadium.. is exactly what I had to drive home in.

When I called the Wheaton/Albion game I knew the Thunder were going to be strong this year.  Their defensive line (Studebaker)  is one of the strongest I have seen in a long time.  Anything can happen in conference play, but I wouldn't be surprised in Wheaton is able to bring back the hardware this year.  I think that would make 4 of the last 6 years.
2000 Wheaton (tied with 2 others) 2002, 2003

In regards to the officiating.  I am sorry to hear that there were some questionable calls and unprofessional moments with your crew.  I thought the MIAA crew that called the EC/Olivet game was very good.  There were some questionable Pass Int. calls at the end of the game (when it was 33-10), but all in all I thought it was a well officiated game.

Yes, Coach Sparks and his wife Mindy were very nice people to spend Friday Night with.  Really, all the people in Olivet and Charlotte, MI were pleasant to spend time with.  Coach Sparks and I spent some time talking about Hope Football and the last time Hope made the playoffs.

Even though Hope is 0-3  as long as they play well in conference and get that AQ,  then the 0-3 start doesn't come into play.  Similarly,  Augie (defending CCIW champs) is 1-2 but if they run the table again in conf.  then their 1-2 record doesn't matter. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 24, 2006, 12:13:36 PM
Glad to hear everyone got home safely, all homes are safe, and hopefully all teams are healthy. Get ready to start the beating boys as another season hits it's stride.

Looking forward to the homecoming game at WLC, will be there with beads on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 24, 2006, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 24, 2006, 01:19:22 AM
WLCAlum:
Thanks for the game scenarios.  Also, a thanks for helping our board "get up there" in pages for posts!  We have a long way to go to even think about catching up with the other boards! ;)  Anyway, appreciate your contributions.

To fellow MIAA'er's:  see my post (i.e. opinion) on the CCIW board about the Hope/Wheaton game.



Thanks, --fortunately the games I've picked so far haven't been blowouts. (Hey, wlcalum--got a question for you:  How can next week be our Homecoming when the football Warriors haven't even been on the road yet?--ba dumm bumm. (Unless you count the local paved roads between the main campus and practice.) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 25, 2006, 04:13:46 PM
Alum83 - It is homecoming for Seiler and Hahm who just got back from Finland!! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 25, 2006, 06:38:19 PM
Ah HA! Good response!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2006, 07:24:44 PM
Since there is apparently little to discuss in the MIAA this week (!), a d1 question:

When Michigan ventures to Minnesota this Saturday, SOMETHING'S got to give.  UMinn is averaging almost 227 rushing yards a game (2nd in the Big 10); UMich is averaging 18.5(!!) yards allowed (first in the whole country).  Who's average will be harder hit (or will one totally prevail)?

I have trouble believing that Michigan can maintain that average, but if they come even close, the rout is on.  If Minnesota's average is NOT severely impaired, things could get dicey.

Comments?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 26, 2006, 09:58:34 PM
formerd3db-- How was Hope's defensive performance last week vs. Wheaton?  The reason I ask is this:  I think if Hope can muster up a strong defensive pursuit/rush,  I think the Dutch will have some opportunities vs. Albion.
When I called the Albion/Wheaton game, the Thunder mounted a strong pass rush all game.  Albion looked a little "slow" responding to the Thunder onslaught, in particular Studebaker.
I was impressed with Albion's offense and think the Britons have a very good team.  I picked Hope as my upset special. What do you think?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 27, 2006, 12:06:26 AM
Jaybird

Wheaton had a great Dline push that game.
Albion was playing without 2 starters on offense, QB and OL.
Would have been a different game with these guys in there.
Still think Wheaton was fired up and Dline would have been the difference in the game Wheatons way.
Looking forward to this weekend, I will go with Albion in a hard fought game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 27, 2006, 12:20:54 AM
Mr. Ypsi- I don't think U of M will be able to keep Minnesota under 19 yeards rushing, but I do think they'll be able to contain them to under 100 yards rushing which is very impressive against Minnesota.  Michigan's defense is very fast this year which will show why they'll dominate the Big Ten & knock off OSU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2006, 12:40:41 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 27, 2006, 12:20:54 AM
Mr. Ypsi- I don't think U of M will be able to keep Minnesota under 19 yeards rushing, but I do think they'll be able to contain them to under 100 yards rushing which is very impressive against Minnesota.  Michigan's defense is very fast this year which will show why they'll dominate the Big Ten & knock off OSU.

That's my take (hope!) on the game.  As far as OSU, wouldn't it be great if they were each 11-0 (and ranked 1 and 2)?!

I doubt it is realistically possible, but I'd love to see them re-matched in the national championship game. ;D  My conception of heaven is TWO UM-OSU matchups (for HIGH stakes) in TWO months! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 27, 2006, 08:08:25 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2006, 12:40:41 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 27, 2006, 12:20:54 AM
Mr. Ypsi- I don't think U of M will be able to keep Minnesota under 19 yeards rushing, but I do think they'll be able to contain them to under 100 yards rushing which is very impressive against Minnesota.  Michigan's defense is very fast this year which will show why they'll dominate the Big Ten & knock off OSU.

That's my take (hope!) on the game.  As far as OSU, wouldn't it be great if they were each 11-0 (and ranked 1 and 2)?!

I doubt it is realistically possible, but I'd love to see them re-matched in the national championship game. ;D  My conception of heaven is TWO UM-OSU matchups (for HIGH stakes) in TWO months! ;)

So in your heaven, what kind of outcomes would we see?   :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 27, 2006, 10:25:41 AM
In my heaven related to U of M football is just beat Notre Dame & that team south of us that's named after a nut. ;D  It also would be great to see U of M get another National Championship if they do go undefeated it will probably be USC who they'll play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 27, 2006, 11:26:37 AM
Re U of M

I am glad to see the aggressive calls defensively and offensivley.
The way FB is in college now, you better throw the ball.
So many great athletes, someoone will break off a big play.
Michigan zone blocking looks to have some choices for Hart and he is capitalizing.
If the defense stays aggeressive and pressures teams, I believe U of M will go into OSU undefeated, then its on. Want to see how Iowa does vs. OSU. If Iowa exposes some holes in defense then I will have higher hopes of a U of M upset in Cbus.
Right now I give OSU the edge in the Big Ten and a shot at the National Title Game.

Right or wrong U of M still has me worried about letdowns and playing down to the the level of some teams.
U of M has lost the "killer" instinct in the last few years.

Kinda spoiled though if you look at all the wins U of M has, I guess I expect a top 5 - 10 finish every year which is unresonable expectations.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 27, 2006, 11:29:13 AM
After the non conference schedule and the reviews I have seen or games I have seen.
I am thinking Albion will win the league, of course there will be several big contests that determine the MIAA.

Any thoughts with the MIAA starting this week?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 27, 2006, 12:53:49 PM
I'm figuring the 3 "A" schools, Hope and Olivet will be in the thick of it. Tri-State could knock off a team or two if their opposition has a flat game.

Weaknesses:  Alma--turnover prone-D vulnerable (witness 3 "big-play TD's" given up against Wittenberg-
                        Adrian-- gives up costly unexpected penalties on occasion- kicking game thus far has been off.

                        Albion-- if the Britons come out of the gate flat any game and get pounced on immediately, they could be vulnerable (example--Wheaton).

                        Olivet--  heard early turnovers cost them big last game. Running game will do damage.

                        Hope/Kalamazoo--  haven't followed close enough to comment much on.

                        Tri-State--  The Thunder will surprise some people--just need to come out of the gate strong and play as close to all 60 minutes as possible.

                        WLC--  Have to beat either Olivet, Kalamazoo or Tri-State, (the second of those squads on the road). Interesting to see what adjustments will have been made on offense during the bye week. Had one or two players get hurt early, and in one of those cases, it's cost them a lot.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Briton-DL on September 27, 2006, 01:39:22 PM
Big One this week!!!!! Albion Vs. the Hope. This should be interesting!!! I will have to go with Albion. Of course come on would I pick against my own school in a big game like this. Since watching closely to the post and games just want to know what is up with the rest of the league!!!! Why such terrible records, are teams that down this year?  Oh in addition to that yeah, I saw a post about my comment that Defience wouldnt compete well in the conference, well lets put it like this yeah they beat Adrian, who hasnt won a conference championship in over 15 years and just recently finshed a couple times in the top three. So yes I still stick to the statement that they wouldnt be in the top 3 of the conference. As a matter of fact Albion use to play them and beat on them pretty bad. Enough of that, well I wish teams get better through the weeks so that Our Conference champs (Albion) have a legit shot at making a run in the Playoff's. As of right now I say Albion all the way they've played probably the toughest non-conference schedule and look to well prepared for the rest of the League. Pound Purple Pound !!!!!!! Go get'em this week Boys and remember FTD!!!!!!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 27, 2006, 02:32:44 PM
I agree, Albion/Hope is the game of the week. It will let us know how far the top is seperated from the middle. My bet is not by much. It was hard for me to pick Albion over Hope, went with past results.  :-\

I also like the Olivet/WLC game, and not just because I have a decided interest. This game determines the middle of the pack. Who wants it the most?!

Adrian vs Kalamazoo and Alma vs Tri State give us a preview as to the improvements the Zoo and TS have made. I hope a lot. Would be nice to see all the A's get knocked off. That would mean the MIAA is stronger, which is good for all teams. Everyone go 4-4 this year!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: albinomascot19 on September 27, 2006, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: wlcalum on September 27, 2006, 02:32:44 PM
I agree, Albion/Hope is the game of the week. It will let us know how far the top is seperated from the middle. My bet is not by much. It was hard for me to pick Albion over Hope, went with past results.  :-\

I also like the Olivet/WLC game, and not just because I have a decided interest. This game determines the middle of the pack. Who wants it the most?!

Adrian vs Kalamazoo and Alma vs Tri State give us a preview as to the improvements the Zoo and TS have made. I hope a lot. Would be nice to see all the A's get knocked off. That would mean the MIAA is stronger, which is good for all teams. Everyone go 4-4 this year!!


How does everyone go 4-4, where everyone actually plays a 10 game schedule.  But I understand you basically want there to be a logjam in the MIAA.  This weekend is just the start of another exciting MIAA Conference Schedule.  This weekend won't decide who will win it all, but it will surely give us an idea who seems like a favorite.  As the conference schedule progresses, teams will separate from each other, and eventually we will see a few teams battle it out for the MIAA Crown.  I am kind of surprised how the MIAA has struggled out the gate so far with their non conference schedules.  For Albion to take on Wheaton I knew it would be a tough task at hand, but didnt imagine them getting shelled like they did.  However I was quite pleased with an amazing effort at Theil, as they roared back down by 10 in the 4th and coming back with a nail biting 24-20 victory.  Hope may be winless right now, but Albion will be playing a hungry Dutchmen team.  Albion needs to get out of the gate making plays on both offense and defense, and then just put the foot to the gas.  I wish I could go to the game but have to take my Law school exam.  For everyone in attendance, I expect them to see the fireworks go off.  It will be a dandy of a game.  We'll see if Albion continues where it left off last season or do the Dutchmen have some tricks up their sleeve.  May the best team win. 

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 28, 2006, 10:18:44 AM
albinomascot:

Good luck on the LSAT.  I'll reserve my comments on the actual value of that exam in law school until after you've taken the exam.

As far as Albion-Hope is concerned, Hope better be hungry.  They got throttled last year, they're playing their home opener, and they're coming off a tough non-conference schedule.  I expect them to play with passion and intensity.  However, I'm not sure they'll be able to stop Albion.  The Brits have had Hope's number the past several seasons, and have done a great job attacking the Hope offense and picking on the weak spots in Hope's defense.  If they can continue to do that, there's not much Hope can do.  I may head up to Holland for the game, so I'm hoping it's a close one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2006, 10:34:00 PM
I have to agree, for the most part, with most of the recent posts.  Hope/Albion is the top header this weekend.  Neither team, IMO, is of the caliber that they have been in the past (for that matter, neither are the other MIAA teams including Alma and Adrian).  That does not mean to imply that the MIAA race will not be a barnburner again this year because I think it will be as usual (although we could all be surprised).  However, whoever wins the league, I tend to disagree with the previous post that the MIAA AQ representative will go far in the playoffs.  I do not think they will; certainly this is not supported by the caliber of play demonstrated in the non-conference schedules.  I hope that team does, yet believe it is less likely, unfortunately.  We still have a long way to go to get back to the Albion 1994 "on-track" for a national title, let along getting to the second round of the playoffs.

With regard to Hope, to expound on both WLCalum's post of less info to make an assesment and that of others who have seen Albion and/or Hope play:  Hope's problem has been two, no make that three-fold 1) no offensive blocking, basically no offense when needed, 2) poor defensive play (secondary and poor tackling fundamentals overall), and 3) too many turnovers.  A bright spot, however, is the determination showed toward the end of the Wheaton game.  Hope did not give up and did prove they can have some offensive spark.  Yet, until they sustain that, they are in trouble.  Bottom line as has already been noted by others:  even though it is a home game for Hope, they need to have their "A" game in place against one of the "A" teams. ;), but also, if Albion comes out flat i.e. has a slow start, it could be a tough time for them as well.

With poor weather again slated for Sat (rain), it could be a factor - at least certainly not as enjoyable to sit in the stands or pace on the sideline. ;D  But because we all love it (the game), we'll be doing it regardless!

Best of luck to all the teams this weekend - and preliminary congrats to the winners whoever they turn out to be!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2006, 10:34:48 PM
P.S.  bulldogalum: will look forward to seeing you if you are able to make it to the game at Holland.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 29, 2006, 02:20:22 PM
Have you guys seen today's Grand Rapids Press sports p[age article entitled "Oldie, but not a goodie" by Howie Beardsley?  (grpress.com)

He really takes some shots at the MIAA.  I do not agree with his conclusion, although I do agree that recent out of conference experience has not been exemplary.  It will make it harder to recruit in Western Michigan ... if anytone really in fact reads the GR Press ... and Oldie and not necessarily a goodie.

Comments?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 29, 2006, 02:28:58 PM
The MIAA, CCIW, Ohio conferences, etc. are great conferences with a tremendous amount of history, facts, and great players embedded inside.
The MIAA like the CCIW so far hasn't proven to be as strong as they (the confs.) have been in the past.  Still some great football is played in these conferences and players play with the most important engine-- the heart.

Just out of curiosity,  what is the weather forecast(s) for the MIAA games?
I know they are expecting rain showers for the Elmhurst/Carthage game.
I heard a story that there were Water Spouts  in Holland earlier today.  I hope everybody is ok and that the MIAA games go on without weather problems.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 29, 2006, 02:47:15 PM
Quote from: wabco on September 29, 2006, 02:20:22 PM
Have you guys seen today's Grand Rapids Press sports p[age article entitled "Oldie, but not a goodie" by Howie Beardsley?  (grpress.com)

He really takes some shots at the MIAA.  I do not agree with his conclusion, although I do agree that recent out of conference experience has not been exemplary.  It will make it harder to recruit in Western Michigan ... if anytone really in fact reads the GR Press ... and Oldie and not necessarily a goodie.

Comments?

While there may be some justification in the writer mentioning the competition from Div II football schools recruiting-wise in Michigan, (WLC has to compete with several other DIII schools a relative stone's throw away in other in-WI conferences--can't justify commenting much on Tri-State's recruiting situation)-- IMHO the writer is putting too much emphasis on just the overall record alone for this particular MIAA non-conference season.

Further, Tri-State's 3 losses have been by less than 10 points each game--if it weren't for an off-side call on a late goal line stand, Alma beats Cornell in the Scots opener. Wittenberg beat the Scots by 18, but you take 2 big 4th Quarter long-gainers for TD's away from the Tigers, that's a closer ball game. Adrian and Kalamazoo have been close in all of their games and Hope, Albion and Olivet have lost to highly ranked teams.

WLC lost at least one key player to injury for a couple of games--which factors into the Warriors' struggles.

Show me a conference that's never had a "down stretch" and I'll show you some land I've got for sale in Mississippi. (I guess by this writer's definition it's the MIAA's turn to be down).

::) :-X

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 29, 2006, 04:47:49 PM
WLCAlum83-- many schools have to deal with competition with recruits.
Around WILutheran  you have the WIAC schools, Carroll, Ripon, Marian, Beloit, and Carthage. Going South you also have Lake Forest and TIU-Deefield.
Elmhurst has to compete with the CCIW, Lake Forest, CURF, Dominican, etc.  so I guess my point is just that there is competition for talent everywhere you look.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 29, 2006, 07:10:09 PM
79 jaybird--sorry if something I wrote was misconstrued. I hadn't intended to give the impression I was disputing the reporter on recruiting--I only indicated I didn't know enough about Tri-State's recruiting specifics..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on September 30, 2006, 12:27:04 AM
Quote from: wabco on September 29, 2006, 02:20:22 PM
Have you guys seen today's Grand Rapids Press sports p[age article entitled "Oldie, but not a goodie" by Howie Beardsley?  (grpress.com)

He really takes some shots at the MIAA.  I do not agree with his conclusion, although I do agree that recent out of conference experience has not been exemplary.  It will make it harder to recruit in Western Michigan ... if anytone really in fact reads the GR Press ... and Oldie and not necessarily a goodie.

Comments?

Okay.....I know Calvin does not have football but this point was made on the XC board.

Calvin's Mens Cross Country is ranked #1 in NCAA D3, they have been in the top-2 at the NCAAs 7 of the past 8 years. 

Take a look at the Calvin XC roster (http://www.calvin.edu/sports/mxc/roster.htm).....only FOUR runners are from Michigan. 

If the MIAA only pulls football players from Michigan they will continue to lose non-MIAA games......and do ZERO damage in the NCAA playoffs.  Sure, the D2 teams do take too many athletes but Calvin does not get their top runners from GR, or even Michigan.  GVSU is almost as good in XC as they are in football.....the top-2 female Xian school runners went to GVSU this fall, and Calvin's women are ranked 6th in D3.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on September 30, 2006, 12:45:50 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on September 29, 2006, 02:47:15 PM

Show me a conference that's never had a "down stretch" and I'll show you some land I've got for sale in Mississippi. (I guess by this writer's definition it's the MIAA's turn to be down).

::) :-X


"down stretch" ... MIAA's turn ... good night, they're in a turnstile, taking turn after turn:

MIAA in the NCAA --

Five wins
Fifteen losses

Britons win one in 1993 and four in 1994

-- we suck
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 30, 2006, 01:46:52 AM
Has any of the MIAA schools from Michigan ever had a strong recruit base outside the state? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Trailer Dog on September 30, 2006, 02:37:06 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 30, 2006, 01:46:52 AM
Have any of the MIAA schools from Michigan ever had a strong recruiting base outside the state? 

Are you writing about ONLY football recruiting?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 08:51:14 AM
Quote from: Bilk on September 30, 2006, 12:45:50 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on September 29, 2006, 02:47:15 PM

Show me a conference that's never had a "down stretch" and I'll show you some land I've got for sale in Mississippi. (I guess by this writer's definition it's the MIAA's turn to be down).

::) :-X


"down stretch" ... MIAA's turn ... good night, they're in a turnstile, taking turn after turn:

MIAA in the NCAA --

Five wins
Fifteen losses

Britons win one in 1993 and four in 1994

-- we suck

You got me on that one. If things work out right with today's games, I plan to eat a lot of crow anyway. :-[ ;) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2006, 09:03:16 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 30, 2006, 01:46:52 AM
Has any of the MIAA schools from Michigan ever had a strong recruit base outside the state? 

dc:

"Way back in my day", Hope used to have a very strong recruiting base from the NY, NJ area for football student-athletes due to the association of the school with the Reformed Church in America and the strong Dutch familty heritage out that way; some of it was also due to alumni.  We had a fairly good contingent of players on the roster, some very good all-conf players who could play on some of the top tier DIII (and some DII) teams.  However, in the last decade and more, that has declined much - I'm not sure why (I haven't actually inquired about this particular aspect).  As you can see, like most of the other MIAA schools, the majority of players are from MI - alot from around the west side of the state; also "hot bed" areas from various high schools crop up where a group of players go to Hope up from time to time, but that seems to change also.

Olivet, in the mid-'90's went to the trend (like Defiance and some of the DIII Iowa schools did) of recruiting alot from Florida, however, that trend has pretty much died out.  It's a long way for young men to go for a DIII school, different climate, etc., and also since a few more DIII programs have been established in the south. (i.e. talking only NCAA programs, not forgetting about the NAIA programs in TN, KY, GA areas, etc.).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2006, 09:04:32 AM
Addendum:

Adrian pulls a few players from the Ohio area (in your DC's and Toledo area), however, again, most from MI.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 30, 2006, 10:29:08 AM
When I played at Elmhurst (1999) I would say 1/3 of our team was from Florida and the rest were from the urban IHSA schools in IL.  While these Floridians were very talented, I often wondered why Augie/MIllikin/IWU were focusing on the Chicago area, and EC was not.  Times have changed and now almost all of our recruits are from the Chicago area/suburban schools.
We do have 4 players from Michigan most notably our QB Mike LaFleur (Mt. Pleasant) and our starting WR Blake Veldhuis  (also Mt. Pleasant)
WLCAlum83-- I see I missed your point, my apologies and I agree with your point now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: 79jaybird on September 30, 2006, 10:29:08 AM
When I played at Elmhurst (1999) I would say 1/3 of our team was from Florida and the rest were from the urban IHSA schools in IL.  While these Floridians were very talented, I often wondered why Augie/MIllikin/IWU were focusing on the Chicago area, and EC was not.  Times have changed and now almost all of our recruits are from the Chicago area/suburban schools.
We do have 4 players from Michigan most notably our QB Mike LaFleur (Mt. Pleasant) and our starting WR Blake Veldhuis  (also Mt. Pleasant)
WLCAlum83-- I see I missed your point, my apologies and I agree with your point now.


I accept.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 12:16:56 PM
Tri-State vs. Alma coming up shortly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 12:50:58 PM
5:30 left in 1st Qrtr:  Alma 7, Tri-State 0. (The Thunder already have lost 1 turnover).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 30, 2006, 12:51:38 PM
When I was at Defiance we did have a lot of players from Flordia.  We used to tell trick them & tell them to watch out for snow snakes b/c they were very poisonous. :D
Trailer dog- yes i'm talkiing about football only.  Sorry I wasn't specific enough earlier.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 12:59:15 PM
End of 1st:  Alma 14, Tri-State 0. (Brehm to Cline long pass complete for TD.)
  Thunder able to move ball on first 2 possessions, after that--all Alma--to this point.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 30, 2006, 12:59:47 PM
DCHas Been-- I can remember a Freshman from Florida had never seen snow before.  He asks me innocently, "How are Chicago Winters and does it get real cold?"   :D
Needless to say January in Chicago was a shocker for him.  He had to go and buy a whole new wardrobe for Winter b/c he only packed light clothing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:10:05 PM
Approx, 13:00 left in 2nd, Alma 21, Tri-State 0.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:14:02 PM
Alma 28, TSU 0  11:15 Q2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:14:02 PM
Alma 28, TSU 0  11:15 Q2

Brehm's already got 3 TD passes.  Crow vendor?  Crow vender? Where's that crow vendor?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:21:35 PM
Still 28-0.  TSU missed a 42 yd FG.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:24:46 PM
Alma 34, TSU 0.  7:14 Q2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:27:32 PM
This writer eating crow with refreshment:

"Chomp, chomp, chomp, slurp."

"Chomp, chomp, chomp, slurp."

(Ba dumm bumm). ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
Alma 41, TSU 0  4:07 Q2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:36:28 PM
I've shifted to Adrian/Kalamazoo. Believe it or not, the Hornets are ahead 14-0. 14:43 to go in 2nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:39:36 PM
Alma 41, TSU 6  1:18 Q2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:42:26 PM
Kalamazoo 14, Adrian 7--approx 10 minutes to go in 2nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 01:46:07 PM
Alma 41, TSU 6   Halftime

Kazoo/Adrian sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 01:57:35 PM
Adrian threatened to score again--only to fumble the ball out of the end zone on a 4th down play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 02:04:04 PM
4:00 minutes left in 2nd:  Kalamazoo and Adrian tied at 14.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 02:13:47 PM
Halftime:  Adrian 21, Kalamazoo 14. (Bulldog QB on his game in the second quarter, according to the Adrian broadcasters).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:19:11 PM
Alma 41, TSU 14  9:15 Q3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:24:14 PM
Alma 48, TSU 14   7:24 Q3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:30:10 PM
Alma 48, TSU 22   5:54Q3

Both defenses seem to be folding.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 02:34:13 PM
Does TSU have 4 stops and 4 scores left in them??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:43:44 PM
Not likely, but this is the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 02:56:34 PM
Alma 55, TSU 22  10 minutes left
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:07:50 PM
Adrian 28, Kalamazoo 14, early in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 03:10:29 PM
Alma 55, TSU 30  6 minutes to go
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 03:16:04 PM
Alma 58, TSU 30  3 minutes to go
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:22:58 PM
Late in 4th Quarter:  Adrian broke a long run for 92 yds and a TD. Adrian 35, Kzoo 14, more than halfway through the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2006, 03:24:55 PM
Alma 58, Tri-State 36

Final
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:33:36 PM
Adrian 35, Kalamazoo 14--Final
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:36:43 PM
Switched again--this time to Hope/Albion. Albion is trailing by 3 with 5 minutes left in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:42:41 PM
Albion's kicker just missed a FG attempt! 2 minutes left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:50:26 PM
Albion held, threatening again--
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 03:52:31 PM
Final  Hope 24, Albion 21.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 30, 2006, 04:01:54 PM
Hope announcers said there was a final in Milwaukee:

Olivet 19, WLC 6.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on September 30, 2006, 07:48:46 PM
Hope is now 21-13-2 at home against Albion since 1926 and 3-1 since 2000. (1982 since Hope won at Albion, with a tie in '86)
Nice job Hope... On to Alma!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 30, 2006, 11:03:16 PM
Hope 24    Albion 21

Great game by all accounts.  This was the kind of game that makes watching MIAA and DIII football so great.  On a muddy field on a cool, sometimes rainy, but not altogether unbearable day, Hope made just enough plays to get the job done.  They are better in all aspects than they were last year.  That is not to say that Hope is great at everything--far from it--but they are a much better team than the team I saw Albion destroy last year.

I was most impressed by Booko, the Hope RB.  He was a very strong runner, low to the ground, who simply made a lot of big plays for Hope in short yardage situations, and provided a steady boost to the Dutchmen throughout the day.  Without his 148 yards, Hope does not win this game.

Hope's QB, Jake Manning had his moments--both good and bad.  In general, he had a solid game, and even scrambled away from pressure fairly well, but he had occasional lapses that resulted in turnovers.  I know at least one of his three interceptions came with Hope driving deep into Albion territory.

Doug VanEerden is a fine wide receiver, and had a very nice game for the Dutch.

The biggest weak spot for Hope is the same as it's been for the past few years.  Their secondary play is still fairly spotty.  Albion was able to attack the Dutch deep with a fair amount of success for much of the game.  Note to anyone playing against Hope:  Throw it downfield!!!  You may not connect every time, but there will be many situations where it will be open for you.

Albion looked pretty good offensively throughout the game.  They had a balanced attack (167 passing, 162 rushing), and protected the ball better than Hope.  Their problems came at the ends of drives--specifically two drives late in the game.  One drive ended with a missed field goal.  It must have been close, because from where I sat, I thought it was through.  The other, of course, was the last drive of the game.  These new rules make late drives difficult, especially when you've used all of your timeouts.  On that drive, Albion marched down the field, only to suffer a costly sack on 3rd down without much time left.  They tried to rush the field goal team onto the field, and actually got the ball snapped before time had expired, but not all of the Albion offensive unit had made it off the field in time.  The kick, incidentally, was no good, and Hope went stark raving bananas.

A good win for the Dutch, and a great start to the conference season.  But, as I told one Albion player after the game..."you lost your first conference game last year and still got a ring, so hang in there." 

Nobody is out of the MIAA conference race yet, but some teams, Albion included, have a little tougher road.

Adrian 35     Kalamazoo 14

They endured.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 01, 2006, 12:23:46 AM
formerd3db-- Hey hey, I should go to Vegas with my predictions!!  :P
Now if I could predict the weather and the lottery, that would be great.  No, in all seriousness I just had a feeling tht Hope would have the emotional high to knock off Albion.  They played well in the 2nd half vs. Wheaton and I just had the hunch that Hope would continue that momentum.
Congrats to all the MIAA winners.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2006, 09:12:45 AM
jaybird:
Yeah, that would be great i.e. the lottery too! ;D  Anyway, thank you for the well-wishes on the win.  Likewise in return, congrats to your Elmhurst team on their win - wow, they are 4-0, first time in a long time for that.  Hopefully, they'll be able to continue that momentum.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 01, 2006, 09:27:51 AM
formerd3db-- You are right, it has been awhile since Elmhurst is 4-0 and 3 of their wins have been against mid--strong level competition.  Excluding Benedictine,  Chicago, Olivet, and Carthage are quality wins.  Not to mention being "road warriors" the last 2 weeks.
Hope is also is good position to do some damage in the MIAA this year.  Like Elmhurst, Hope has a difficult "statement" game next week at Alma.  EC hosts Augie and we will see if the Bluejays are for real.
Congrats on the big win and glad to see our ballclubs winning the big games!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2006, 09:35:46 AM
bulldogalum:

Great to see you yesterday as always.  I agree with your assessment.  I talked with Hope's AD after the game and he said the same - it was on of the best "barnburners" for Div III he's seen and the day being what it's all about.  For the benefit of our other MIAA posters/readers who were not at the game, to be realistic, either team could have won the game.  As I said earlier in the week, unfortunately, Albion and Hope are not at the level that they have been in the past, but as you indicate, they are not bad teams either.

One aspect I liked about Albion was that the usual attitude problem was not as present yesterday as it has historically been in the past.  Also, they are a good team and their offensive plan still has the same ability to move the ball against Hope quickly in regards to the passing game and especially it seems for the last minutes of a game as they have done in the past four years - i.e. what I'm referring to is that they kill us every year with the " 'ole down and out, down and out".  You are right about Hope's secondary and in regards to that tendency, they just can't seem to cover those short passes - hence Albion's ability to easily move the ball and set themselves up for a potential game winning score.  And with a good QB as Wilson (who I was impressed with, particuarly for a guy who didn't get a lot of PT the last year or two), that is easier.  Certainly, these last minute drives by Albion have happened in the last 4 years at the least.

As we also discussed (and witnessed) yesterday, I was extremely disappointed (once again) with the poor officiating job by the MIAA crew assigned to the game.  With the exception of two of the officials, the others, including the head ref demonstrated IMO a complete lack of control, consistency and simply stated, just a poor performance.  As you saw, repeated instances of officials completely away from a play (and thus out-of-position) making a call, taking 5 minutes for a "conference" to make decisions on routine calls repeatedly, missing of blatant holding on offensive line by both teams.  Officiating football games is a tough job, however, there are a few basic aspects of conducting that in which this has been sorely lacking the past 3+ years IMO (which I and others have discussed here in the past).  That being said, and regardless, it's obvious that a team has to play over that kind of "stuff" and just execute fundamental football.

Anyway, as you say, both teams and the others still have a tough challenge for the title - we'll see who emerges in the next 1-2 weeks, although, again, I think it still might come down to the last week as usual.

Congrats to Adrian.  For a short time there, it seemed that Kazoo was going to pull the upset.  However, as you astutely penned, Adrian endured.  They will still be tough to play I'm sure.

The rest of the MIAA games yesterday were about as I thought they would go.  We travel to Alma next weekend, where it is always a tough place to play for Hope.  Again, their secondary better be ready for the aerial bombardment that typifies Alma.  Again, great to see you yesterday and keep in touch.   

Also, congrats to you other guys whose MIAA teams were winners yesterday; to those who lost, hang in there and best of luck next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2006, 09:39:58 AM
Addendum:

I forgot to mention that I think the difference for Hope was that they played better basic fundamental football than they have the past 3 weeks i.e. mainly better tackling and "outside-in" containment (still could improve on both of those a bit though), much better offensive line blocking; and secondary played better but still a long way to go on that as you mentioned.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 01, 2006, 10:22:57 AM
Yes, I concur entirely about the officiating.  There were MANY calls yesterday where I found myself shaking my head, on both sides of the ball.  The good news is this:  there were enough bad calls both ways that I don't think it really affected the outcome of the game.  Both teams played through those calls, and generally handled the disappointment in a very professional way.

I also forgot to talk about the tackling.  Hope certainly did a better job tackling this game.  Albion had guys in good position to make the play much of the time, and they frequently hit the Hope ballcarrier, but they sure didn't wrap up and finish the play.It might have been a different game if Albion had done a better job of wrapping up after hitting Hope runners.

Congrats to all MIAA winners, and best of luck in the conference season.  Beat Olivet!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 01, 2006, 10:48:53 AM
We had the SAME problems in our game at Carthage!  >:( What's with this year's crop of officials?
I can't tell you how many inadvertent whistles, officials gathering as if they threw a flag and couldn't remember what they saw/wanted to call, having to reset the clocks.. it was awful.  I think both sides EC/Car would agree that the officials were horrible.
All you ask for from the officials is to let the players (kids) decide the outcome of the game and be fair.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 01, 2006, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: 79jaybird on October 01, 2006, 10:48:53 AM
All you ask for from the officials is to let the players (kids) decide the outcome of the game and be fair.

Absolutely.  Thankfully here, they were bad, but they were balanced.  Both sides had calls go for them and against them, so the players ultimately decided the game.  Hopefully the officiating improves, and the players continue to decide the outcome of the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 01, 2006, 03:36:56 PM
Who is the best QB in the MIAA?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 01, 2006, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: bulldogalum on October 01, 2006, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: 79jaybird on October 01, 2006, 10:48:53 AM
All you ask for from the officials is to let the players (kids) decide the outcome of the game and be fair.

Absolutely.  Thankfully here, they were bad, but they were balanced.  Both sides had calls go for them and against them, so the players ultimately decided the game.  Hopefully the officiating improves, and the players continue to decide the outcome of the game.

Be happy that Todd Geerlings officiates football on the DI level .
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 02, 2006, 08:57:40 PM
We could all write a book about officials. No way could you pay me enough to put those stripes on. Still they need to do a better job.

Who is the best QB in the MIAA?
Kinda early to tell - was hoping that Bodner(WLC) would make noise but he needs a line.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 02, 2006, 09:18:01 PM
What would a good title to the book on officials be?

Unfortunately, "Crime and Punishment" is already taken.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 02, 2006, 10:07:47 PM
Quote from: wlcalum on October 02, 2006, 08:57:40 PM

Who is the best QB in the MIAA?
Kinda early to tell - was hoping that Bodner(WLC) would make noise but he needs a line.

No offense, but given WLC's current lean football times, even though he's a gamer, I figured it was best to leave his name off the poll.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 03, 2006, 11:20:24 AM
Hi all,  I am afraid I am the bringer of terrible news.
Many of you know formerd3db (Todd) who frequently posts on this board and is a Hope Alum.
Todd and I are good friends.  He sent me an email today telling me that his Mother passed away yesterday, unexpectedly.  Please keep Todd and his family in your prayers.  He asks everybody to be thinking about him and his family as I am sure it has to be very difficult for them right now.
Times like this make football take a back seat in what matters most in life.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on October 03, 2006, 11:22:34 AM
My prayers go out to formerd3 and his family.  May you feel God's presence in this time of sorrow. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on October 03, 2006, 11:29:57 AM
Formerd3db,

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.  Sorry to hear of your loss.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 03, 2006, 12:42:28 PM
Quote from: 79jaybird on October 03, 2006, 11:20:24 AM
Hi all,  I am afraid I am the bringer of terrible news.
Many of you know formerd3db (Todd) who frequently posts on this board and is a Hope Alum.
Todd and I are good friends.  He sent me an email today telling me that his Mother passed away yesterday, unexpectedly.  Please keep Todd and his family in your prayers.  He asks everybody to be thinking about him and his family as I am sure it has to be very difficult for them right now.
Times like this make football take a back seat in what matters most in life.

My condolescence to former d3db. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 03, 2006, 03:33:46 PM
If any of each wish to send a condolence card and/or your thoughts to formerd3db, email me (use my comcast email) and I will get you Todd's mailing address.  I can only imagine how hard it must be for him and his family right now. :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 03, 2006, 05:28:40 PM
fd3db

My prayers are with you and your family. May the Good Lord keep you and yours safely wrapped in His arms.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2006, 10:23:22 PM
Thank you to all of my friends here on the MIAA board for your very kind comments and prayers.  They are appreciated more than you might know.  I will talk to you all later.  God Bless all of you and thanks again.
Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 05:56:43 PM
Attempting to get Adrian's feed of the Adrian/Olivet game as I post:

Ah--success!! The broadcast just began.

(Would have started posting ealier, but I decided to take in WLC's home Northern Athletics Conference volleyball match against Benedictine of IL. The Warriors put forth a good effort, but still lost, 3 games to 1. The volleyball team has won several matches this season, though.)

Side note:  Once football joins NathCon in '08, it'll be like going from the frying pan into the fire. WLC trades off Albion, Alma and Adrian for Lakeland and Concordia WI. Six on one, half a dozen on the other.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 06:12:24 PM
Spencer just missed on a FG attempt:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 06:21:56 PM
Olivet 7, Adrian 0. (Clasgens 1 yard run). 1st Qrtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 06:43:55 PM
Olivet 10, Adrian 0. 2nd Qrtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 07:06:05 PM
1:27 left in 2nd Qrtr:  Olivet 10, Adrian 7.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 07, 2006, 09:03:43 PM
Final:  Olivet 13, Adrian 10.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Preto on October 08, 2006, 01:13:43 AM
Is the 2005-2006 Comet speedster, Raynar Hamilton, an Olivet student this fall?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on October 08, 2006, 01:33:13 AM
I hope I'm not out of line......but would it be difficult for folks to delete their game update posts a few days after the game?  IMHO they make the board harder (not impossible) to sort through and read.  If no one else cares then please ignore me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 08, 2006, 02:27:27 PM
That is a great win for Olivet to defeat Adrian!  Congrats Comets. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 08, 2006, 06:37:52 PM
Congrats to the Hornets in picking up their  first win. And congrats to Chris Werme who tied an NCAA all division record by recording an interception in 9 consecutive games. Great stuff.

Beat Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on October 08, 2006, 09:48:06 PM
SEVEN players of the week?  Seems a bit silly.

Players of the Week
Offensive Co-Players of the Week: The offensive player of the week honor is shared by Alma junior wide receiver Joe Cline of Ithaca (Ithaca HS) and Hope junior tailback David Booko of Three Rivers (Three Rivers HS). Hope edged Alma 49-43 in overtime. Cline, who is being honored for the second time this season, caught a school-record 17 passes for three touchdowns and 186 yards, Booko tied a school record with six touchdowns, all after halftime, as he rushed for 207 yards on 41 carries. Booko is the offensive player of the week for the second time in his career. Other nominations: Jake Wilson, Albion.

Defensive Co-Players of the Week: The defensive player of the week honor is shared by three players -- Tri-State freshman linebacker Tab McNally of Williamston (Williamston HS), Adrian senior lineman Joel Howland of Adrian (Adrian HS) and Kalamazoo senior Chris Werme of Schoolcraft (Schoolcraft HS). McNally returned an intercepted pass 41 yards for a touchdown in the Tunder's 33-30 overtime loss to Kalamazoo. He was also credited with six tackles, including a sack and 1.5 for a loss. Howland was credited with six tackles, four of them solos and three for lost yardage, in the Bulldogs' 13-10 loss to Olivet. He also had a sack, a forced fumble and pass deflection. Werme tied an NCAA record (all divisions) when he intercepted a pass for a ninth consecutive game. After Tri-State took a 30-27 lead with 47 seconds left in the fourth quarter, Werme blocked the extra point attempt, keeping the Hornets just three points down heading into their final drive. He returned the ensuing kickoff 53 yards to the Tri-State 28, setting up the eventual 47-yard field goal to tie game and send it into overtime. His numbers also included a forced fumble, a fumble recovery he returned 54 yards, two punt returns for 12 yards and two kickoff returns for 66 yards. Other Nominations: Mike Culliver, Albion; Joe Cleveland, Olivet; Adam Korson, Alma; Matt Rugenstein, Hope.

Special Teams Co-Players of the Week: The special teams player of the week honors is shared by Tri-State junior Matt Eby of Warsaw, Ind. (Tippecanoe Valley HS) and Kalamazoo sophomore Jon Rea of Bloomfield Hills (Brother Rice HS). Kalamazoo edged Tri-State 33-30 in overtime. Eby averaged 40 yards over five kickoff returns, including a long of 65 yards. Playing linebacker on defense, he intercepted a pass and had 12 tackles. Rea was four-five on field goals, including one that forced the game into overtime and the game-winner in OT. His field goals measured 25, 30, 47 and 20 yards. He was also three-for-three on PATs. Other Nominations: Brian Hearns, Albion; Kyle Lindsay, Adrian; Kyle Zabel, Olivet; Josh Brehm, Alma; Troy Blasius, Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hawk'ster on October 08, 2006, 09:51:33 PM
Quote from: Preto on October 08, 2006, 01:13:43 AM
Is the 2005-2006 Comet speedster, Raynar Hamilton, an Olivet student this fall?

He's not on the 2006 Olivet football roster (http://www.olivetcollege.edu/sports/m_football_roster.htm).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 09, 2006, 02:13:16 AM
Quote from: Bushop on October 08, 2006, 09:48:06 PM
SEVEN players of the week?  Seems a bit silly.

Players of the Week
Offensive Co-Players of the Week: The offensive player of the week honor is shared by Alma junior wide receiver Joe Cline of Ithaca (Ithaca HS) and Hope junior tailback David Booko of Three Rivers (Three Rivers HS). Hope edged Alma 49-43 in overtime. Cline, who is being honored for the second time this season, caught a school-record 17 passes for three touchdowns and 186 yards, Booko tied a school record with six touchdowns, all after halftime, as he rushed for 207 yards on 41 carries. Booko is the offensive player of the week for the second time in his career. Other nominations: Jake Wilson, Albion.

Defensive Co-Players of the Week: The defensive player of the week honor is shared by three players -- Tri-State freshman linebacker Tab McNally of Williamston (Williamston HS), Adrian senior lineman Joel Howland of Adrian (Adrian HS) and Kalamazoo senior Chris Werme of Schoolcraft (Schoolcraft HS). McNally returned an intercepted pass 41 yards for a touchdown in the Tunder's 33-30 overtime loss to Kalamazoo. He was also credited with six tackles, including a sack and 1.5 for a loss. Howland was credited with six tackles, four of them solos and three for lost yardage, in the Bulldogs' 13-10 loss to Olivet. He also had a sack, a forced fumble and pass deflection. Werme tied an NCAA record (all divisions) when he intercepted a pass for a ninth consecutive game. After Tri-State took a 30-27 lead with 47 seconds left in the fourth quarter, Werme blocked the extra point attempt, keeping the Hornets just three points down heading into their final drive. He returned the ensuing kickoff 53 yards to the Tri-State 28, setting up the eventual 47-yard field goal to tie game and send it into overtime. His numbers also included a forced fumble, a fumble recovery he returned 54 yards, two punt returns for 12 yards and two kickoff returns for 66 yards. Other Nominations: Mike Culliver, Albion; Joe Cleveland, Olivet; Adam Korson, Alma; Matt Rugenstein, Hope.

Special Teams Co-Players of the Week: The special teams player of the week honors is shared by Tri-State junior Matt Eby of Warsaw, Ind. (Tippecanoe Valley HS) and Kalamazoo sophomore Jon Rea of Bloomfield Hills (Brother Rice HS). Kalamazoo edged Tri-State 33-30 in overtime. Eby averaged 40 yards over five kickoff returns, including a long of 65 yards. Playing linebacker on defense, he intercepted a pass and had 12 tackles. Rea was four-five on field goals, including one that forced the game into overtime and the game-winner in OT. His field goals measured 25, 30, 47 and 20 yards. He was also three-for-three on PATs. Other Nominations: Brian Hearns, Albion; Kyle Lindsay, Adrian; Kyle Zabel, Olivet; Josh Brehm, Alma; Troy Blasius, Hope.

This poster's take is as follows:  A) With 3 of the 4 games decided by 7 points or less, it's a good bet that it was decided not to cite the most "dominant" (loosest sense of the word) player. B) It also helps spread the attention around more conference wide (that way players from Teams A & B aren't hogging the attention from normally "would-be" players from Teams X & Y regardless of entire overall team performance during a given game the week in question. 8) Sorry to get long-winded, but I hope I at least made some sense. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 09, 2006, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: Bilk on October 08, 2006, 01:33:13 AM
I hope I'm not out of line......but would it be difficult for folks to delete their game update posts a few days after the game?  IMHO they make the board harder (not impossible) to sort through and read.  If no one else cares then please ignore me.

Bilk:

To be fair about this, I figured I'd try and set up a separate poll topic for this issue and let all the MIAA posters decide on this form vs. volume matter. (If things do change--it might not be for another week to 10 days. Even after the results are gathered, there may need to be a discussion with Pat.)

Fair enough?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 10, 2006, 10:21:26 AM
Fair enough Alum83, but you do realize you can't please all the people all the time.  ;D
I like your updates and have no problem with you posting them where they are at. If you do end up posting updates in another column, guess we will have to open that page to find them.

It is good to see co players of the week, this week, as there were many close games and lots of action. Too much action to let just one person have it all no matter if they are from the high profile school or not. Good job to all who voted.

Some good games shaping up in the MIAA this week. If I were to be in Michigan for the weekend I would be torn to go to Hope or Albion. Hope has some cool Alum, Albion is in a neat area for things to do other than football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2006, 05:43:25 PM
Well, here we are at the halfway point of the entire regular season.  Difficult to believe it has gone this fast already.  I do hope that the weather does not go downhill terribly in the upcoming weeks i.e. while colder weather is expected, I hope rain and snow are little if any.  Of course, this is not under anyone's control.

A few comments:  Hope's game Saturday against Alma was a great barnburner, although obviously a tremendous disappointment for Alma, particularly for their Homecoming and a very nice/large crowd on hand and perfect Homecoming weather.  Alma blowing such a huge lead I'm sure was terribly disappointing to the coaching staff, let alone the players.  I was impressed with Alma's QB and receivers, their offensive line (and overall team size of individual players) are bigger than in recent years.  The same problem persists, however, and that is their offense - when the passing game goes "downhill", no other offense to rely on.

Secondly, what a great comeback by Hope.  The entire team and coaching staff did not ever give up.  Aside from a second consecutive week comeback, this had to be one of the greatest comebacks I've witnessed  ever or at least in a very long time.  I did not hear one negative comment or attitude among the players when things looked extremly bad for Hope.  And while it could easily have turned out on the other ending for Hope as it did for Alma, no one ever gave up.  Coach Kreps and his entire staff are to be complimented on calling a great game, especially in the tense 4th quarter and keeping calm under difficult situations - as much as the players efforts won the game, the coaching staff had a huge contribution on that as well IMO.  I was truly impressed on an overall great team effort for the Dutchmen.

The road to the title will still be a tough one.  While Hope has a very good chance, we cannot let down against an improving Kazoo team this weekend, even thought it is Homecoming at our place.  I will refrain from further comment on future games, because we all know that it is best to "take it one day, one game at a time".  Congrats to all winning MIAA teams last weekend and best of luck this upcoming one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 10, 2006, 06:49:05 PM
3DB

Nice review of the Alma Hope sounds like another great game for Hope.
As a Albion fan I must say I was hoping Alma would hold on, really surprised after I saw the score. I was at Albion game and the announcer had posted scores around the League and Hope was down big last we heard.
Great comback nice to see a team never give up, would have been easy to let up as it was on the road.

Hope is in the drivers seat right now for the title, need to stay focused every week counts.
Keep utilizing the strong running game, keeps other teams off the field, and burns time.

Alma needs to stay upbeat, and not pull a MSU and tank after a tough loss.

All I can hope is Albion finishes undefeated and Hope does not.
Alot of season left and every game writes another story, so we will see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2006, 12:19:56 AM
D306:

Thanks.  Indeed, I agree with you - the league title could still come down to the last week as it has seemed to do in recent years.  Also, glad to have you on the board to join the rest of us MIAA'ers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 11, 2006, 04:47:22 PM
formerd3db,

Nice summary of the Alma/Hope game.  I agree with everything you said.  As an Alma alum, it was tough to watch Alma's lead evaporate, but I have never seen such a comeback before...stellar effort and composure on the part of Hope. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2006, 07:27:56 PM
miaafbfan:
Thank you for your kind comments.  Certainly that is tough for any team to lose a game like that.  I know Hope would have been just as disappointed as Alma had they lost the game.  But, unfortunately, it goes that way sometimes.  Still, as I said, alot can happen yet.  Should be an exciting league finish.  Keep us posted on your assessment of Alma's future performances in the upcoming game.  BTW, hope you had a nice time at Alma's Homecoming despite the game loss.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2006, 05:39:15 PM
You MIAA fans/posters have been kind of quiet around here?  What gives? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2006, 03:08:26 PM
Wow!  Olivet up 20-10 against Albion. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: M and L on October 14, 2006, 03:11:19 PM
Best QB, eh, not guys stats really jump stand out from the rest
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on October 14, 2006, 09:59:30 PM
Congrats to Hope.  You are looking pretty tuff in your conference now.  I hope you can continue the winning ways.  GO DUTCH.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 16, 2006, 08:48:07 AM
fd3db
To answer your question as to why no one is posting, may I offer this as an excuse? Deer hunting, fall turkey season, grouse and pheasants, and the white bass, walleyes, and great lakes fish are getting the fall bite on. Now that is my excuse so I cannot speak for everyone but I am a busy guy. Also HS football is getting to playoff time and that adds another dimension to my packed schedule. Do you know what the end of HS football brings? Wrestling!!

What a great bunch of games this past weekend. Great job by Olivet to pull the, should I say, upset? Hope just keeps on rolling, keep it going boys. Albion and Adrian need a win the get back in the race. Kalamazoo is putting out a great effort and TSU and WLC will fight it out for...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 17, 2006, 12:10:00 AM
Wlcalum-- don't forget the Packers!  I am a Bear's fan, but I know the entire state of WI shuts down on Sundays, when most people like to post about the previous Saturday games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 17, 2006, 12:37:17 PM
jaybird
I too am a Bears fan as I was raised in IL. Die hard Cubs fan also. Yes I am a sad state. Was a heart attack night last night for me living in a house full of Packer Fans. They were just begging for the bears to get beat. Took a lot of "you know what" the first half. The Pack was off last weekend as they were defeated by BYE  ;D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 17, 2006, 12:56:05 PM
My short take on the MIAA race

Olivet and Hope are in good shape especially Hope.
With wins over Alma and Albion Hope is in the drivers seat, Olivet is in great shape for a split title and tie in the league.
Olivet has some tough games left while Hope has played most of the tougher teams. The Olivet vs Hope game in huge. Forget whose house it is at.
The story was Hope did not travel well, I think that was put to bed with the big win in Alma.
Olivet already showed they travel well with the homecoming win in Albion.
The Dline for Olivet was the key to the game, tough defense and pressure allowing no time to throw stimied Albion offense.
The Olivet Offense is effective but not powerful, Albion contained well, the 2 blocked punts resulting in TD and points really was the key to the game.
Albion defense played well, except for missed assignment on the long sideline pass, or did he slip I did not see the CB until it was too late.

Big games still to come, but the trend is set need some upsets to make it more than a 2 team race.

At the seasons start I predicted Albion, I am hoping for some kind of big break but I believe Hope will win the league, as Hope has more Offense than Olivet, I think someone will catch Olivet and beat them.

Glad to OC step up, makes to Conference that much tougher hope to see the conference get back to more powerful out of conference league, get playoff win on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 17, 2006, 02:41:04 PM
WLCAlum-- We are quite similar!  I am a die hard Bears/Cubs/Blackhawks fan, so you see I haven't had a lot to cheer for in suburban Chicago.  I am guilty of turning off the tv too soon!  and missing the most exciting part of the game!  >:(  I woke up this morning and read about the great news in the Tribune.
When Elmhurst played Olivet earlier in the year, I knew the Comets had a pretty good nucleus of talent.  Frankly, I think if Olivet doesn't have the 3 big turnovers early,  I think the Comets may have beat EC.  I think D306 is right that Olivet and Hope (moreso Hope)  are in good positions right now.  Glad to see some of the "others" in the MIAA climbing up the ranks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 17, 2006, 03:42:07 PM
I really think that Hope is the most dominate in the MIAA.  I know their record doesn't show it, but look who their nonconference games are against.  Still Olivet could suprise me due to what they have shown thus far.  Should be interesting to see who wins this year. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 17, 2006, 04:31:09 PM
wlcalum:
You are probably right that many of our colleagues have "a lot of other things on their plates" right now, myself included with regards to not being as active in posting.  On the other hand, some of the other boards have much more activity and perhaps they are just forgoeing other activities - who knows? ???  Anyway, I'm sorry your team is having a stellar season this year, however, much can be said for them not giving up.  Every team goes through some tough periods.  But as a fan, you know it's "support your team, do or die" and I know you are doing that.  Good luck to them, except against us (Hope!) of course!!!

D3o6 and jaybird:
I think you both have good assesments about the MIAA currently.  I would just add that although perhaps we(Hope) have the edge, no team especially Olivet can be taken lightly.  We also have to remember that Hope has to get by Adrian first.  Playing one game at a time and not looking ahead is always the key as you/we all know.  A loss to Adrian this weekend throws this back in a "tizzy".  HOPEfully, we'll win though!

Talk to you guys later.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 17, 2006, 10:17:12 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the Bulldogs fare up in Holland this weekend.  In recent years, they have really struggled against Hope, especially on the road.  I'm hoping that they will come out with a solid game plan, and execute it with precision.  From my one viewing of Hope this year, my impression was that they were/are a very good team, but a team that is beatable. 

If Adrian is to have any success against the Dutch, they'll have to attack Hope's secondary, which I believe to be the the weakest part of their team on either side of the ball, and they'll have to make Hope one dimensional on offense.  This will probably mean stopping the run, but that will be a difficult task.  Nevertheless, if Adrian allows Hope to run and pass at will, Hope will simply not make enough mistakes to lose.

If the Bulldogs are to have a chance at a league title, this is a game they absolutely must win.  This is going to be a tough league to win this year, and Hope and Olivet certainly have the advantage.  I have a sneaking suspicion that one of those two teams will go through the league unbeaten, but then again, I could be wrong... ;)

Best of luck to everyone this weekend.  Here's to good weather, close games, a Michigan victory over Iowa, and a Detroit Tigers victory over the yet-to-be-determined National League Champs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 17, 2006, 11:02:54 PM
formerd3db-- how are you doing?  I agree.  I remember we talked right after the EC/Olivet game and I mentioned that Olivet has some really good players.  OlivetSID (Geoff) and I also talked about Olivet and if (at the that time)  they could put their show together for 4 quarters, they will be very good.  Coach Livedoti is doing a remarkable job with the Comet program.  I would love to see that Olivet/Hope game coming up.
Before I forget seeing as this is the MIAA-- How about those Tigers? ;D
The entire state has to be pretty excited.  (ok, that's all the pro anything I will ever talk about)
I haven't seen Hope, but formerd3db I know you have described the team to me,  and it sounds like the Dutch have a real strong squad this year.
BTW, how did the Alumni LaCrosse game go?  Were you nervous and get the pregame adrenaline rushes?  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 18, 2006, 03:25:49 AM
It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before. The Comets will have to watch out though if Clasgens were to go down for any length of time.

(We'll see how quickly Tri-State's ideas of an upset get quashed. I was tempted to pick the Thunder again, but after what Alma did to that team earlier- I figured even I can only eat so much crow in a season. Tri-State will win at least one yet this year.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 18, 2006, 10:17:30 AM
I think the Adrian/Hope game will be very interesting.  Adrian has been a dissapointment thus far this season.  But I could see them being a spoiler.  Hope has a very potent rushing attack, however Adrian has the # 2 rush defense in the MIAA.  And against the pass Adrian is tied for first in sacks.  I look forward to following this game.  BTW, I see Adrian has another DL that is player of the week.  That is two weeks in a row.  Is their defensive line really that good?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 18, 2006, 10:46:48 AM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 18, 2006, 10:17:30 AM
BTW, I see Adrian has another DL that is player of the week.  That is two weeks in a row.  Is their defensive line really that good?

Hard to tell against Tri State, but the Bulldog D line has done a nice job pressuring the QB and stopping the run thus far.  We'll find out a lot about how good they are on saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 18, 2006, 10:49:25 AM
"It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before"  Before??  I think you mean recently b/c Olivet has won the MIAA many times.  They are also 1 of the 2 original members of the MIAA
Olivet MIAA Champs in 1895, 1901, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1913-14, 1974, and I believe 1974 is the last MIAA Championship.
I agree that seeing both Hope and Olivet in the NCAA Playoffs would be great.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 18, 2006, 02:32:28 PM
Since we are getting close to the end of the season, with upsets apleanty, we could have five teams tied with 4-3 records!!

OK, I know I have too much time on my hands and some of the upsets will not happen, but...

Looks to be a weather wise nice weekend for football. Little cool maybe some light rain/snow but nothing too bad.
Adrian@Hope is the game to watch. Albion@Alma who wants the top, who wants the middle? Olivet@TSU is Olivet for real and keep TSU on the bottom? WLC@Kzoo would love to be wrong and see WLC pick it up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 18, 2006, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: 79jaybird on October 18, 2006, 10:49:25 AM
"It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before"  Before??  I think you mean recently b/c Olivet has won the MIAA many times.  They are also 1 of the 2 original members of the MIAA
Olivet MIAA Champs in 1895, 1901, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1913-14, 1974, and I believe 1974 is the last MIAA Championship.
I agree that seeing both Hope and Olivet in the NCAA Playoffs would be great.

I stand corrected. (I took in Olivet's feed of the last game, and may have misheard something). -X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 18, 2006, 05:40:45 PM
Wlcalum-- hehe,  many do rule out Olivet because they have fallen off the map in past years.  Dominic Livedoti though is revitalizing a program and has the Comets "shooting"  :P recently across the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 18, 2006, 05:44:40 PM
I think it is great that Olivet is on the move. Hope is in the news and TSU is on the rise. All good things for the MIAA. Post season wins will do much to garner more respect across the nation and I can see that happening if not this year in a couple years for sure.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 18, 2006, 08:29:06 PM
Congratulations to Matt Spangler and Adrian College for being named to the national team of the week!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 19, 2006, 09:27:24 AM
Is the MIAA planning on adding and/or looking to add a school after WI Lutheran leaves or wil the MIAA stick with the current schools?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2006, 11:10:39 AM
From what I have heard having Tri State keeps the MIAA with the AQ so they really do not have to add another team.
My opinion is they need to add a tough team to keep the competion level up. Now don't read into my words and say WLC is a tough team or TSU is a bad team. I think both will be very good teams within the next five years. TSU has made great improvements in the past couple of years and WLC will/should get better with local press and a winning record, both of which they should get in the new conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 19, 2006, 11:24:28 AM
I would have loved to see Defiance still in the MIAA.  Their defense can keep them competitive with a lot of teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 19, 2006, 01:16:33 PM
"'My opinion is they need to add a tough team to keep the competition level up"   ??? :o
Ah,  Albion won the Nat'l Championship in 1994,  Alma is a playoff conditioned team, Adrian is very competitive, Hope has had playoff successes, I don't think anybody has ever said the MIAA is not a competitive conference.  In other words, the existing tenured schools of the MIAA are very good.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2006, 01:43:28 PM
The key words in my post are "keep the competion level up". Nothing was meant to dis the current teams as they are of excellent caliber. If the MIAA were to add another team I would hope they find an existing team the same level or tougher than the current MIAA teams. The MIAA is a very tough conference and I do not see that changing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 19, 2006, 04:33:05 PM
wlcalum:

Were you able to connect with Seiler and Hahm at Homecoming? (As long as I'm on the subject, how did the Band of Warriors sound that day?)

Know any good crow vendors near Wauwatosa? (ba dumm bumm?) ;) :) :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 19, 2006, 04:56:50 PM
Defiance had a whole two years in the MIAA going 1-5 the first 3-3 in the second, then were not brought back for a third.  I thought it was a good fit for the conference based on its location, but the HCAC has been a good fit too.  I liked the smash mouth football that the MIAA brought excluding Alma w/ their air attack.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2006, 09:17:52 PM
Quote from: 79jaybird on October 19, 2006, 01:16:33 PM
"'My opinion is they need to add a tough team to keep the competition level up"   ??? :o
Ah,  Albion won the Nat'l Championship in 1994,  Alma is a playoff conditioned team, Adrian is very competitive, Hope has had playoff successes, I don't think anybody has ever said the MIAA is not a competitive conference.  In other words, the existing tenured schools of the MIAA are very good.

Those are all nice things and yes, 12 seasons ago Albion did win the national title. But the MIAA has not won a single playoff game since. It's misleading to say the teams are very good. The facts do not reflect this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 20, 2006, 12:15:42 AM
Good point Pat. 
That's along the lines of "what have you done for me lately"  historically yes they have been strong, but lately no "in the clutch" wins in the NCAA's and Pat's point is right on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2006, 12:17:29 AM
How far back in history are we going?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 20, 2006, 05:21:47 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on October 18, 2006, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: 79jaybird on October 18, 2006, 10:49:25 AM
"It would be nice to see Olivet take the conference, seeing as they haven't done it before"  Before??  I think you mean recently b/c Olivet has won the MIAA many times.  They are also 1 of the 2 original members of the MIAA
Olivet MIAA Champs in 1895, 1901, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1913-14, 1974, and I believe 1974 is the last MIAA Championship.
I agree that seeing both Hope and Olivet in the NCAA Playoffs would be great.

I stand corrected. (I took in Olivet's feed of the last game, and may have misheard something). -X

Pat:

79jaybird's intent appears to be to look back at the entire history of the MIAA.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 20, 2006, 09:02:39 AM
WLCALUM83
I think the best crow is served on the corner of Bluemound and HWY 100. What is the name of the burrito place Quboda(sp)? Just joking, they serve the best I have found in Milwaukee. Hot, fast, and not bad prices. Take the coupon they give you at the football games and you can feed cheep. The more important question is what are you doing posting at 4:30AM!? Just getting in... or going to work?  ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on October 20, 2006, 09:19:53 AM
I love Qudoba (sp?).  Your fans are lucky if there are coupons they give out at the game.

Wheaton used to have a promotion at basketball games (they may still have it for all I know)  that if Wheaton won you called a certain Dominos and say "Wheaton won" you could get a 2 topping pizza for 5 bucks.  Some of my friends who previously hated sports suddenly became superfans because of that promotion. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 20, 2006, 10:16:08 AM
It has been a couple years ago but got free pizza coupons at a Rockford football game, also hooked up some coupons to a restaurant in the tower clock mall... Never got any coupons at any Michigan games!! :P :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 20, 2006, 10:23:26 AM
You're right, no coupons for Michigan football games.  However, if you went to basketball or ice hockey games, there were coupons available.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 20, 2006, 10:39:01 AM
Quote from: wlcalum on October 20, 2006, 09:02:39 AM
WLCALUM83
I think the best crow is served on the corner of Bluemound and HWY 100. What is the name of the burrito place Quboda(sp)? Just joking, they serve the best I have found in Milwaukee. Hot, fast, and not bad prices. Take the coupon they give you at the football games and you can feed cheep. The more important question is what are you doing posting at 4:30AM!? Just getting in... or going to work?  ;)



I just have trouble going back to sleep--so I do the next best thing--post!! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on October 20, 2006, 11:04:06 AM
In today's world, the majority of folk doesn't care about what you did in 1900, if you won Nat'l Championships in the 80's, or if you had a success before there was color TV.
My point was just that Olivet is not having success in the 1990's-2000's but at one time they were.
Pat's point is that the MIAA hasn't won a playoff game since Albion's title.  Case in point, 2006 is a different year and anything can happen.  Perhaps this year, the MIAA will get that playoff monkey off their back and we will see one of the MIAA teams making it to the 2nd/3rd rounds of the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 20, 2006, 11:26:13 AM
I apologize. :-[ :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 20, 2006, 11:46:51 AM
I think we have all made good points in our posts and we all basically agree that we would like to see the MIAA improve. We can pick apart our posts and find different points to agrue but that will get us no where.
My main concern right now is why we don't get free food coupons in Michigan for football games!! :D (sorry - slow day at work)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 12:20:44 PM
Olivet  vs.  Tri-State   coming up shortly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 12:43:48 PM
Tri-State 7, Olivet 0. 10:25 left 1st Qrtr. (Olivet fumble recovered, returned for TD).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 12:53:57 PM
Tri-State 14, Olivet 0. (Not a mis-print-folks). Thunder scored on a running play. (Still early yet.) 5:00 left in 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2006, 01:03:53 PM
How great would it be if there were gametrax during games?  WLCalum-you are doing a great job, thanks for the updates. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 01:06:09 PM
Tri-State 14, Olivet 0, end of 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 01:07:27 PM
14:49 left in 2nd, Tri-State 21, Olivet 0. (long bomb for TD).
Olivet's #2 QB is in there now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 01:20:38 PM
Tri-State 21, Olivet 7  (Comets got long punt return for TD). 8:30 left in 2nd Qrtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 01:40:39 PM
Tri-State 21, Olivet 7--half (Garvin, one of TSU's top defensive players seriously injured during 1st half).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 02:30:32 PM
End of 3rd: Tri-State 21, Olivet 7.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 02:48:08 PM
Midway thru the 4th, Tri-State just blew another scoring opportunity. (a turnover).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:03:49 PM
Tri-State wins!
Tri-State wins!
    Tri-State wins! 21-7.

      --Thunder D pitched a shutout.
      --Thunder D also tipped several passes that led to Olivet turnovers.
      --Olivet's  QB's had  a bit of an off-day throwing the ball.
      --TSU's turnovers were for the most part, harmless.
       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2006, 03:06:13 PM
Wow!  Congrats to Tri-State. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:18:11 PM
Switched to Hope vs. Adrian. Hope's up 21-10 early in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:22:34 PM
Approx. 10 1/2 minutes left in 4th. Hope 21, Adrian 13. (Spencer 24 yd FG).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:30:16 PM
Hope missed a FGA  6:30 left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 21, 2006, 03:31:45 PM
Still going to be tough for Adrain.  Have to get the 2pt conversion too if they score. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:36:07 PM
Adrian couldn't move the ball. Hope got a long punt return, just scored again. It's 28-13 Dutchmen now. 4:28 left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:45:08 PM
Evans just scored for Adrian. Hope 28, Adrian 20. 2:09 left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:48:20 PM
Per Hope announcers:  Kalamazoo 31, WLC 19. Final :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 03:52:43 PM
Hope 28, Adrian 20. Final.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 21, 2006, 08:07:45 PM
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 21, 2006, 08:07:45 PM
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!

Hold off at least a week before sending the gift. Hope plays at Tri-State next week. If the Flying Dutchmen come in there flat and TSU is on top of its' game things could be interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 21, 2006, 11:00:24 PM
You know, if I could continue to vote on the QB poll, I would.  Today was the first time I got to see Brehm from Alma, and there is simply not a better QB in the league.  Not only is he a fine passer, but he is an excellent runner, and even had a couple successful pooch punts today.  He IS the Alma offense. 

Shame to see the Bulldogs lose up in Holland today, but that's the closest game in recent memory for Adrian at Hope, so that's a good sign.  Looks like a league title is a stretch now, but hopefully they can finish strong.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 22, 2006, 12:16:38 PM
After TSU's knocking off of Olivet, anyone want to chime in on what was the most memorable MIAA football upset they heard of or saw? Mine is WLC beating Adrian at home in '04. Adrian broke out to a 17-0 halftime lead-only to see the Warriors come back and beat them 20-17 on a last second Ryan Eilbrecht field goal that barely cleared the crossbar. (I took that in on the radio). ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 22, 2006, 12:53:04 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2006, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 21, 2006, 08:07:45 PM
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!

Hold off at least a week before sending the gift. Hope plays at Tri-State next week. If the Flying Dutchmen come in there flat and TSU is on top of its' game things could be interesting.


I was just saying that Hope owes a lot to TSU for knocking off Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 22, 2006, 01:25:19 PM
Gotcha. Didn't mean to misunderstand you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 22, 2006, 08:10:10 PM
Any Tri-State fans who attended the Olivet game want to chime in as to how much of a post-game celebration there was (if any?).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 22, 2006, 08:33:08 PM
That has got to be the biggest win Tri State has had in football since joining the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 23, 2006, 01:14:39 AM
Quote from: bulldogalum on October 22, 2006, 08:33:08 PM
That has got to be the biggest win Tri State has had in football since joining the MIAA.

2004 TSU won 2 MIAA games vs WLC and Kzoo, WLC was 2-5, 2-8 and Kzoo was 0-7, 1-9.  TSU was 2-8 that year

2005 TSU was 0-7 in the MIAA. 0-10 overall

I think its a good observation to say this was TSU's biggest MIAA win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 23, 2006, 06:12:02 AM
I recall TSU's 2004 win over WLC. TSU scored a TD late in the game to pull it out at Angola. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise long-term for the Warriors. That was the first time Matt Kehl had a better-than-average game--particularly rushing. (First Warrior game I took in via radio broadcast). :) ;) :D 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 23, 2006, 11:53:56 AM
Congrats to TSU. Shows these boys never give up or take anyone for granted. Play one week to the next and good things will happen. Keep getting the W's, except against WLC.  :)

Have to agree that this is TSU's biggest win in the MIAA. I was in Angola for their win against WLC - was that a long drive home!! There were some interesting D calls in those last few minutes?! I did talk with a couple of TSU parents after that game and they were gearing up for a celebration. Can only imagine what type of after game celebration they held for their boys after the huge Olivet upset.

Biggest upset in recent MIAA history could be the WLC win over Adrian. From where I was sitting in the stands it was really hard to see if it went through. The refs even had a hard time seeing if it made it over the bar.  ;D Heart attack game for WLC fans for sure.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 23, 2006, 12:18:33 PM
Ugh, do we really have to dredge up those painful memories on a week where Adrian must travel to WLC??? :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 23, 2006, 12:33:17 PM
To answer you bulldogalum...yes, yes we do!! ;D ;) Give us something to look forward to.  :) If you do not like this answer check out my picks for the weekend.  :o :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 23, 2006, 01:08:38 PM
wlcalum:  I certainly hope your pick is right, but it seems like we always struggle when we make that road trip. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 23, 2006, 02:06:49 PM
I think the Adrian - WLC game will be a good one.  Adrian may be a bit in the dumps now and WLC always plays AC pretty tough.  Adrian definitely should not look over WLC, I believe they see Adrian as being a very beatable team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 23, 2006, 03:09:43 PM
Adrian really needs this win to even "Hope" to stay in the hunt. I do not think they will overlook WLC. True Adrian does struggle a bit in Milwaukee but I do not see this game as being a close one. Adrian is not giving up very many points and WLC is not scoring very many points.

Would like to see WLC's running game go into a higher gear and the passsing game get into a good groove. The oline is really hurting after graduating Evans and Schaefer. The dline only lost Seiler to graduation but I guess that was a lot.
I think the main reason WLC is so down this year is they changed their helmet design. I liked the old green and logo design over the new white and lettering. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Hope92 on October 23, 2006, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 21, 2006, 08:07:45 PM
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!

I must respectfully disagree with your opinion that "Adrian had the better team".  Adrian did make some mistakes that cost them. However Hope also made several mistakes (4 interseptions and costly penelties) that Adrian could have capitalized on.  Adrian did not, may be because the Hope defense is too good. 

Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 23, 2006, 10:27:57 PM
Quote from: Hope92 on October 23, 2006, 07:58:03 PM
Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound. 

Booko's rushing yardage is not necessarily an indictment of the Adrian rush defense.  Having seen Booko play earlier this year, I'm convinced there is no better tailback in the league, and probably few better in the Midwest.  He runs hard, is elusive, finds holes and attacks them, and never quits.  Even a great defense could struggle against a back like that. 

That defense of the Adrian, well...Defense, is not to say I wholeheartedly agree with ACRULZ.  Having seen both teams play this year, but having missed the game on Saturday, I can't really say that either team is much better than the other.  That, by the way, is true of what I've seen from Albion and Alma as well.  I haven't seen Olivet, but they have two high quality wins and one very disappointing loss, so I don't know what to make of them.  At any rate, it looks like there are 5 very even teams in the league this year, and so far, Hope is winding up on the right end of the close games, and Albion and Adrian are not.  Some of that is luck, some of it is skill, and some of it is coaching, but it's clear that there are many dogfights remaining this football season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 24, 2006, 03:17:41 PM
Heard one of Tri-State's better defensive players (Adam Garvin) won't be able to play against Hope due to injury.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on October 25, 2006, 09:22:45 AM
Congrats to the Dutchmen on righting the ship.  After a rocky start you guys have done a great job in conference.  Good Luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 25, 2006, 02:16:03 PM
Yes, the Dutch are definitely on a role.  For that I give them credit.  If the Dutch do win the MIAA and reach the playoffs, hopefully Manning will not have the poor showing he had against Adrian.  Against a good, playoff football team four interceptions will be sealing their own fate.  During this off season I hope Adrian concentrates on recruiting a QB and some O-linemen which are the two most glaring weaknesses Adrian had this season.  Denryter is not very good under pressure and the Adrian O-Line is porous at best.

Speaking of quarterbacks, from what I hear Brehm may be the best QB in D III.  Any opinions on that?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 25, 2006, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: Hope92 on October 23, 2006, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 21, 2006, 08:07:45 PM
I watched the Adrian - Hope game today.  I do not want to take anything away from Hope, however I believe Adrian had the better team.  Adrian had a terrible day on special teams (leading to 2 Hope scores).  Booko is an amazing back.  He runs tough!  The Bulldog defense is very tough.  They played on a 40 yard field pretty much the entire second half.  Adrian's offense struggled as usual but their defense is really something special.  Congratualtions to Hope!  Job well done...Tri-State better be on your Christmas Card list!

I must respectfully disagree with your opinion that "Adrian had the better team".  Adrian did make some mistakes that cost them. However Hope also made several mistakes (4 interseptions and costly penelties) that Adrian could have capitalized on.  Adrian did not, may be because the Hope defense is too good. 

Aslo Adrian was suppose to have the best run defense in the conference, yet the the Hope Oline and David Booko racked up 170 yards on the gound. 

Hope defense is very good.  Rugenstein is a hell of a player.  Not only did he pressure the Adrian Offense all day last week.  He made several plays in coverage.  However, I think the most underrated player on Hope's defense is Zach Huizing, that kid can flat out play.  He has my vote for Defensive MVP of the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 25, 2006, 03:28:40 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 25, 2006, 02:16:03 PM
Speaking of quarterbacks, from what I hear Brehm may be the best QB in D III.  Any opinions on that?

Well, if I had to name the best DIII QB I've seen, it's Brehm.  He has an excellent arm, knows their offensive scheme well, and is always a threat to run.  More than anything, he always appears to be firmly in control of the action on the field.  If you get a chance to see him this year, I'd do it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 27, 2006, 04:04:42 PM
Cool, possible rain, and lots of wind in Milwaukee for Saturday. Forecasts of gusts up to 30mph expected. Don't expect a lot of passing yards. Gut it out on the ground boys.

Brehm is my pick for QB - very good arm and brain to match.
Booko is a great RB but I still like the kid from WLC.
Rugenstein is my DMVP with a name like that you gotta be tough! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 27, 2006, 06:14:05 PM
Lots of wind in the forecast for Michigan as well tomorrow.  Earlier this week I picked Alma over Olivet.  Now I am beginning to wonder if Alma's air attack will suffer too much to overcome Olivet.  Even with the best QB around, the Scots are going to have their work cut out for them battling the weather and the Comets.  Good luck to all teams on a wet and windy day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 27, 2006, 08:54:26 PM
Wonder if TSU head coach Matt Land got the Gatorade soaking last weekend? (Just couldn't pass that one up.) ;D :D ;) :) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 12:08:42 PM
Could be lower-than-usual scoring today, depending on when the strong winds move in. Could depend on who gets the early breaks.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 12:35:27 PM
Hope  vs.    Tri-State  on deck:
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 01:06:18 PM
Well, well, wouldn't ya know--Hope just got an INT and returned it for a TD. 7-0, Flying Dutchmen  13 minutes left in 1st.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 01:28:15 PM
Hope scored on a 1-yd TD run-Flying Dutchmen 14, Thunder 0. End of 1st.
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 01:40:13 PM
Olivet 14, Alma 0 early 2nd quarter
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 01:45:42 PM
Olivet 14, Alma 7  8:58 2nd
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 01:54:49 PM
Olivet 21, Alma 7  5:18 2nd quarter
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 02:00:32 PM
Olivet 21, Alma 14  3:02 2nd
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 02:06:20 PM
Hope 14, TSU 0. Half (Hope's D is making a big-time statement thus far.)
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 02:17:22 PM
Olivet 21, Alma 17 at the half
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 02:19:27 PM
Per Hope announcers:

Adrian 20, WLC 12. Half. (C'mon, Warriors, keep this close.)

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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 02:51:37 PM
Hope 21, TSU 0. (Dutchmen recover a TSU muffed pitch in the end zone). End of 3rd.
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 03:02:50 PM
Alma 24, Olivet 21  1:58 3rd
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 03:11:14 PM
Olivet 28, Alma 24  early in the 4th
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 03:15:31 PM
Hope 21, TSU 7, midway through the 4th quarter.
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 03:23:23 PM
Olivet 28, Alma 24  8 minutes to go (Olivet missed FG)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 28, 2006, 03:32:10 PM
Hope 21, TSU 7, Final. (2 Dutchmen defensive TD's the difference.)
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Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2006, 03:42:46 PM
Olivet 28, Alma 24  Final  (Alma "Hail Mary" fails)
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Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2006, 08:41:37 PM
Indeed, the wind primarily (also cold weather and in some cases, wet turf) had a hand in some of the games today.  Just back while from the game down in Angola today.  A good win for Hope, although thanks to the defense.  Hope's offense will need to step up a notch for next weekend at Olivet.  Tri-State is not as bad of a team as some may think.  They did a good job in staying the course and making the game close.  Strong winds played havoc with the passing and kick games for both teams; TSU receivers made some outstanding catches in the wind.  Their lineman overall size is smaller in past years, but as a team, they look promising in regards to improvement for next year and beyond.  As far as Hope, they are playing well, have great determination and great coaching all of which won the game today, defense stepping up.  Yet if we make the playoffs, offense will need to continue to improve and score when the opportunities present.

TSU facilities are probably the worst in the league right now, however, we heard there today that a new domed stadium and synthetic turf will be in place for next season.  That would be a welcome improvement.

The Olivet/Alma game was a surprise.  Olivet despite losing last week, appears to be a "jeckle and hyde" team, but still good.  Appears Alma succumbs to its usual passing demise with bad weather.  Hope still will need to be sharp next weekend and especially since it is at Olivet.

Anyone for details of the other games today?  Hope all of you stayed warm today.  I fear the good weather is gone for the season. ;) 
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 29, 2006, 09:42:42 AM
Who will win the Hope-Olivet showdown?  ;)
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 29, 2006, 09:49:45 AM
In a way, it's a shame for Alma, given how great the Scots' offense is when Brehm is on his game. At this point, IMHO, I expected Alma and Adrian to put up more of a challenge. Olivet and Tri-State are my 2 "surprise teams" thus far. :) ;) :D :) ;) :D

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Post by: ACRULZ on October 29, 2006, 05:10:46 PM
The Adrian score was 20 - 0 at the half, not 20 - 12.  The final score was 33-13, the last TD was scored on Adrian's 2 defense in which WLC called a timeout with about :30 left...with their 1 O still in.  I will say, Kehl is a great back, better than Booko I believe.  Looks like Coach Cole was right when he declared Hope MIAA champions several weeks ago.
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Post by: ACRULZ on October 29, 2006, 05:16:38 PM
I think the Kzoo/Alma game will be very interesting.  Kzoo has a pretty decent offense that goes against a suspect defense this week.  I think Kzoo will pull off the upset over Alma.  Also I like Hope over Olivet, even at Olivet.  Hope is in contol of their own destiny and I think their destiny is to be league champs and go to the playoffs.
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Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 29, 2006, 05:29:14 PM
Olivet as a surprise team is exciting to me as I have followed this revolving door that has been their previous four head coahces, leaving and returning as well being assistant under one another.

The success under the one back or spread guy this time might be proving one of my hyptohesis about the wing t informing both run and shoot as well as spread, or in other words all oneback teams.

best regards,
the slotbone
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 29, 2006, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 29, 2006, 05:10:46 PM
The Adrian score was 20 - 0 at the half, not 20 - 12.  The final score was 33-13, the last TD was scored on Adrian's 2 defense in which WLC called a timeout with about :30 left...with their 1 O still in.  I will say, Kehl is a great back, better than Booko I believe.  Looks like Coach Cole was right when he declared Hope MIAA champions several weeks ago.

I stand corrected on the score. Thanks for the positive props on Matt Kehl. Even though it's been a lean football year for WLC, regardless of what happens the rest of this season, one of the things he'll be remembered for is his major contributions to a few Warrior wins over the last couple of years. ;)
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Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2006, 09:42:12 PM
ACRULZ:
Nothing against or to be taken away from Kehl as I'm sure he is a great player and student-athlete.  However, I would say that most people would disagree with you in your comments that he is a better back than Booko.  The latter is just one, tough, bruising back who has speed, agility, and strength to run over people yet make moves when necessary to "jock" people.  He is also has good hands and is a good blocker.  His overall league stats at least in running are better than Kehl's and this with his not being 100% and missing this last game due to an ankle spain (he should be back to form for the Olivet game).

At any rate, while admittedly I have not yet seen Kehl, as for my opinion, in all fairness I will wait until having the opportunity to see them both at the same time when Wis Luth visits us at Hope for the final reg season game in two weeks.  That being said, as WLCALUM83 noted, I also add my congrats Kehl for his overall career and contributions to WLC's program, despite their tough season this year.

MacLeod:
O wpi;d jave to agree with you and the others in Olivet being the real surprise team in the league this year.  I was surprised that they beat Alma, after having seen the Alma/Hope game.  Of course, you having been associated with Olivet as you mention, you know more of the "inside" info as to the offenses in past years.  However, without opening that "can of worms of a discussion again", I still like them when they had the Wing-T (and those U of Mich helmet logos!) - their 8-2 season despite not winning the league that year was tremendous.  And for those who maintain the Wing-T has not brought them success in the post-season i.e. in the run for a Stagg Bowl national championship), neither has any other offense for the MIAA teams since Albion's 1994 wonder year! ;D ;)

I look for a close tough game at Olivet on Sat, but, of course, have to agree with the others (and pick) that Hope will win. :)

Now Kazoo vs. Alma could be a tough one to pick, especially with the way Alma has been self destructing as of recent.  On the other hand, I think they'll beat Kazoo, despite it being at Kazoo.  The latter is much improved, but still not as good as Alma I believe, after having seen both teams play. 

Talk to you all later.
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Post by: wlcalum on October 30, 2006, 08:57:01 AM
Just a couple numbers to throw out there to explain why we at WLC are so high on Kehl.
He needs 38 yards to surpass 3000. He needs 93 yards to be the MIAA all time rushing leader. He was the MIAA 2004 and 2005 rushing leader. and lead the MIAA in 2004 in all purpose runing with 204.7 yards per game. He is still averaging 124 all purpose yards per game this year compared to Booko's 140.8. Booko is doing it all running, for the most part. Kehl can run and catch.
Now we could brag on Matt all day long but I guess the real stat is what have you done for me lately and WLC has won how many games in the last three years? :-[
No disrespect meant to Booko as he is a great runner and no disrespect taken for Kehl - we just like who we like and that is that. Best of luck to both these young men as Kehl will graduate and we get the honor of watching Booko tear it up next year.
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Post by: ACRULZ on October 30, 2006, 10:00:46 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 29, 2006, 09:42:12 PM
ACRULZ:
Nothing against or to be taken away from Kehl as I'm sure he is a great player and student-athlete.  However, I would say that most people would disagree with you in your comments that he is a better back than Booko.  The latter is just one, tough, bruising back who has speed, agility, and strength to run over people yet make moves when necessary to "jock" people.  He is also has good hands and is a good blocker.  His overall league stats at least in running are better than Kehl's and this with his not being 100% and missing this last game due to an ankle spain (he should be back to form for the Olivet game).

At any rate, while admittedly I have not yet seen Kehl, as for my opinion, in all fairness I will wait until having the opportunity to see them both at the same time when Wis Luth visits us at Hope for the final reg season game in two weeks.  That being said, as WLCALUM83 noted, I also add my congrats Kehl for his overall career and contributions to WLC's program, despite their tough season this year.



Kehl may not have the stats but look at what blocks for Booko and what blocks for Kehl.  I have seen both backs and both O-lines.  Hope's O-Line is far superior.  I believe if Kehl was running behind Hope's O-Line he may have surpassed 3000 career yards already.  Also Hope has a decent passing game, a lot better than WLC's which also takes pressure off of Booko and on Kehl.
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Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2006, 10:33:29 PM
ACRULZ and wlcalum:
Likewise, no disrespect intended nor taken. :)  Kehl has indeed done a great job as you outline.  I would only clarify that while I agree that he would most likely do even better behind Hope's line; with all due respect to our line, it is not playing as good as Hope's line has in recent past years.  That makes Booko's performance all the more impressive; moreover, his receiving stats are less than Kehls because Hope doesn't throw to him much at all - the offense passing game is not designed for that.   Yet, again, no disrespect to our offensive line since those young men (as is all Hope's team) are presently playing their hearts out after such a rough 0-3 start.  Obviously, the defense picked it up this last game as I mentioned.

Anyway, as mentioned, I will hold off on my final comments after I've had the opportunity to see both Kehl and Booko in the season final.  Yet again, I do compliment him on a great career and good individual season so far, despite the tough year WLC is having as a team.  Indeed, you guys can be proud and promote the great back that Kehl is.  Best of luck to WLC this week; maybe this will be their "break out" Sat as in "any given Sat".
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Post by: Superfoot Wallace on October 31, 2006, 11:11:11 AM
The Scot gun rides again for all those in cahoots with Albion.   CWRU had a guy on their team in 98 named William Wallace,  Brehm sounds more Pennsylvania Dutch.   :)


the Duluth Eskimos
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 31, 2006, 03:21:49 PM
bulldog alum:

Of the following wins, which one was the most satisfying for you? :) ;) :D ;D (After all, I shared mine).

2000:   Adrian 13, WLC 12.

2002:   Adrian 56, WLC 26.

2003:   Adrian 31, WLC 17.

2005:   Adrian 31, WLC 14.

2006:   Adrian 33, WLC 13.
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Post by: 79jaybird on October 31, 2006, 04:11:53 PM
Who will win the Hope/Olivet game this weekend?  While I think Olivet will give the Dutch a good fight and it helps having the home field/fans at their backs,  I think the Dutch prevail in the 4th quarter.  I could see it being something like 28-17  with 10-14 points coming in the 4th quarter.  Tough game to gauge because both teams have had great moments, and poor moments throughout the year.  I know in the Elmhurst/Olivet game when we were up there (week 3) Olivet was plagued by turnovers, otherwise I think the Comets are right there with the Bluejays.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 31, 2006, 04:33:20 PM
If Booko can go the whole game it'll be a big help for the Dutchmen. He was held out for much of the TSU game. Booko vs. Clasgens-how's that for a potential matchup of good runners, eh? ;) :D
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Post by: bulldogalum on October 31, 2006, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on October 31, 2006, 03:21:49 PM
bulldog alum:

Of the following wins, which one was the most satisfying for you? :) ;) :D ;D (After all, I shared mine).

2000:   Adrian 13, WLC 12.

2002:   Adrian 56, WLC 26.

2003:   Adrian 31, WLC 17.

2005:   Adrian 31, WLC 14.

2006:   Adrian 33, WLC 13.

well, to be fair, I didn't see any of those games (for whatever reason, the game against WLC was NEVER a good weekend for me when I was in school, always some other obligation).  I'll take the win this year, simply because it's the freshest in my mind, and it's a win against WLC in our last game against them before they leave the MIAA.  Hopefully this will not be the last time the Bulldogs face Wisconsin Lutheran, in spite of the fact that we've had our troubles in Milwaukee, I know our players and coaches have always really enjoyed that trip.  Best of luck on the rest of the season!
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Post by: 79jaybird on October 31, 2006, 09:49:22 PM
Milwaukee is a beautiful town  and the schools WI Lutheran, UW Milwaukee, Concordia WI (not too far away), Carroll (just down the road) etc.  really make the city very nice.  Going larger you have Marquette (Sister's Alma Mater) that is really pretty.  The downtown area on Lake Michigan is very nice and with the improvements at Miller Park, the Bradley Center, and the Midwest Convention Center downtown, Milwaukee is like a small Chicago with that small town charm to it.
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 01, 2006, 10:21:10 AM
I must agree milwaukee is a great city.  And if you like the night life, Water Street is a must see!  But back to football I think Olivet will pull off the win in a close one over Hope.
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Post by: 79jaybird on November 01, 2006, 11:50:55 AM
ACRulz- Yes, Water Street is a nice place and one where you can get "tipsy" very easily.  ;)
What are some of your keys and/or reasons why you think Olivet will beat Hope Saturday?
The Olivet Team that I saw in Week 3 (Olivet/EC) game was a Comet Team that was still developing and gelling.  I still think the Comets (perhaps) may have beat us if they didn't cough up the ball early.  They have a sleek runner and a pretty good line.  Their QB was o.k. but that also could be because it was week 3 and still getting the rhythms established.
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Post by: wlcalum on November 01, 2006, 01:55:21 PM
bulldog alum
WLC will be in the MIAA for next year - if I understood correctly

Water Street in Milwaukee is not watered down by any means ;)

Hope will win this weekend because they understand the importance of this game. Not that Olivet doesn't, as they will be playing their hearts out for a share of the championship. Just do not see Hope letting it slip. That being said, all it takes is one tiny mistake to change the face of this ball game. The turnover ratio will be key as will the mix of pass and run plays that Hope will use. Would really like to watch this game.
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Post by: 79jaybird on November 01, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
WLCAlum--My Sister went to Marquette (1999-2003)  and I spent many weekends at her dorm/apartment when I was at Elmhurst.  The town is beautiful and I really enjoyed my visits up there.
I agree that Hope gets the job done on Saturday.  I do think that this will be a close game though.  As always turnovers, TOP, and penalties will be 3 major factors for both sides.
Ah, fun time of the year when the conference races go down to the wire.  I am happy to see that we are talking about Olivet at this time of the year for the MIAA crown.
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 03, 2006, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: 79jaybird on November 01, 2006, 11:50:55 AM
ACRulz- Yes, Water Street is a nice place and one where you can get "tipsy" very easily.  ;)
What are some of your keys and/or reasons why you think Olivet will beat Hope Saturday?
The Olivet Team that I saw in Week 3 (Olivet/EC) game was a Comet Team that was still developing and gelling.  I still think the Comets (perhaps) may have beat us if they didn't cough up the ball early.  They have a sleek runner and a pretty good line.  Their QB was o.k. but that also could be because it was week 3 and still getting the rhythms established.


I believe Olivet is more of a blue collar team and will be more physical than Hope.  I think it is going to wear on the Dutch and eventually they are going to fold in the 4th.  I like Olivet's Defense, I think they have more playmakers than Hope.  However both Olivet and Hope run a very patient methodical offense.  Olivet will win this game, it will be close, howver Olivet will make more plays on defense and special teams.
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Post by: bulldogalum on November 03, 2006, 09:36:10 AM
Boy, I don't know.  The one time I saw Hope this year (v. Albion), they played a very physical game.  Especially in their running attack, Hope is not afraid to come out and punch you in the mouth.  Olivet may well win this game, but I'm not sure that they'll out-physical Hope.  I'll be interested to see how things turn out.

As a side note, did anybody watch that Louisville-WVU game last night?  Someone really ought to tell the Big East about a little thing called "defense."
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 03, 2006, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: bulldogalum on November 03, 2006, 09:36:10 AM
Boy, I don't know.  The one time I saw Hope this year (v. Albion), they played a very physical game.  Especially in their running attack, Hope is not afraid to come out and punch you in the mouth.  Olivet may well win this game, but I'm not sure that they'll out-physical Hope.  I'll be interested to see how things turn out.

As a side note, did anybody watch that Louisville-WVU game last night?  Someone really ought to tell the Big East about a little thing called "defense."


I don't know either, I watched hope play Adrian and Olivet play Adrian.  Olivet played very physical, I thought Adrian played more physical than Hope but Hope just made a few moreplays than Adrian.  It will be a good game regardless.  I just believe that Olivet is the most physical team in the league.

The WVU-Louisville game did turn into a track meet, I agree with you there!
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2006, 12:04:36 PM
bulldogalum:

As it is still season Im only commenting on the WVU/ Louisville game.  Talking defense is nuts, that game was bound to be a track meet from the get go with both of those teams being inside the top 10 in total offense for the year.  Their defenses are good but in a game like that the offenses will break them down, to much speed across the field and to good of coaching from both offensive staffs.  WVU didnt look ready for the games, the fumbles by Slaton were uncharecteristic and the punt coverage where 4 WVU defenders ran 10 yds past the punt was nuts.  AS for the big east getting in the national title game, if Louisville wins out and doesnt drop the ball against Rutgers I can see it happening.  OSU should beat Michigan and the BCS rankings should be very tight after that game, but if U of M drops that OSU game I dont see a rematch.
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Post by: D306 on November 03, 2006, 01:01:41 PM
I will take Hope over Oli.
In a tight well played game.
Both teams practice ball control and a time consuming offense.
I believe Hopes offense is a little more explosive, and diverse.
Olivets defense I believe is superior, but don't think Olivet can score enough to win this game, especially if it is not raining/snowing making turnovers a key, ball security for hope is the deciding factor.

RE: Lou vs WV neither team could play in a major conference, the defenses are bad and undersized. Second after a couple of games the injuries would pile up and lack of depth would kill them. A one time meeting is the best advantage that these teams hold. The surprise of the multiple sets, and atheletic QB's.

They are WAC teams 1990's revisited.
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Post by: bulldogalum on November 03, 2006, 03:21:06 PM
DAWG:

I didn't mean to suggest that Louisville doesn't have a shot to play for the national title, I think if they win out, they will probably face the winner of UM-OSU for a national title.  However, I don't necessarily buy the whole offensive superpower theory.  It's true that Louisville and WVU are very fast on offense, but I don't think their O-Lines would match up well at all with Michigan or OSU's defensive fronts. 

Louisville would be a tougher match up for Michigan than WVU, I think, because of the quick passing attack.  If they could block the front 4 long enough to get those passes off, which isn't all that long, they could have some success.  This is especially true if they choose NOT to pick on Leon Hall.

OSU has a stronger secondary, and I think would do better against Louisville.  That said, I think that, in any single game, either of those teams could find a way to win, especially if they got a few breaks/turnovers.

Beat Albion.
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2006, 03:25:14 PM
bulldogalum:

Having heard WVU's offensive line coach speak at a clinic in Cincinnati I honestly feel based on technique and schemes they dont need the same type of player.  As physical of a team as WVU is they are somewhat of a finesse style up front using alot more scoop blocks and allowing defensive momentum of players to influence where tehy want to go.  No doubt Michigan is bigger and stronger on the lines, but with the quicker tpye player and zone scheme of WVU with the type of speed Michigan doesnt have nor see very often would make for an interesting game.
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Post by: bulldogalum on November 03, 2006, 03:51:43 PM
I'll buy that.
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Post by: 79jaybird on November 03, 2006, 05:05:24 PM
I mentioned my reasoning why I think the Dutch pull out the W at Olivet tomorrow, but I think also it has to do with history at this time of the year.  Hope has been to the playoffs and (as a program) knows how to turn it "up a notch" when a playoff birth is near.  Olivet is a very good team, but can they match that intensity as the playoff dream nears?  For the Comets' sake, I hope so, but I think the Dutch find a way to win.
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Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2006, 09:41:13 AM
Very interesting discussions, my friends.  I, too, think it will be a close game at Olivet today.  However, I obviously have to go with Hope.  Olivet is a tough team and especially at home.  For some reason in recent years, Hope has always had a more difficult time playing there, even when they have won.  With the MIAA title and AQ at stake, this "should" be a tremendous game.  I hope the weather holds; I'm off to see the game in a bit so will check in with you guys later.  I hope all of you have a great day and enjoy the game(s) that any of you may be going to today.  Go HOPE!
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 12:45:32 PM
Hope vs. Olivet  on deck:
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 01:18:52 PM
Hope 7, Olivet 0. End of 1st.
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 01:47:30 PM
Hope 10, Olivet 0. Half:  (2 Olivet turnovers so far, the Dutchmen have scored off both). To this point, both defenses have performed as expected otherwise.
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 02:19:38 PM
Alma 21, Kalamazoo 21  halftime

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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 02:35:29 PM
Per Hope announcers:

Albion 28, Adrian 12  at least Halftime.
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 02:48:54 PM
Alma 28, Kalamazoo 21  early in the 3rd
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 02:57:27 PM
Hope 10, Olivet 0. End of 3rd:
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 03:09:11 PM
Alma and Kalamazoo are tied at 28 near the end of the 3rd
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:18:20 PM
Hope 16, Olivet 0, 3:24 left. (The Dutchmen got a 76-yd INT return for a TD-missed EPA
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Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 03:24:21 PM
Alma 34, Kalamazoo 28  about midway through the 4th
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Post by: Stinger on November 04, 2006, 03:24:47 PM
That should have been 28-13 Adrian at the half. It's now 31-26  Adrian with about 8:30 to go
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:25:57 PM
Olivet has scored--Hope went into the proverbial "pre-vent defense". TD and 2-pt conversion. Now 16-8, Hope. 2:08 left. (I stand corrected on the other score).
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:32:45 PM
Hope 16, Olivet 8:  Final: Hope is the 2006 MIAA Football Champion!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 03:34:45 PM
Kalamazoo 35, Alma 34 late in the 4th

Looks like a repeat of last year's 1 point Kalamazoo win if the Hornets can hold on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:37:46 PM
shifted to TSU-WLC. TSU ahead 38-31 but WLC threatening:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:39:40 PM
One last chance, WLC's at the TSU 6 with 5 seconds left:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 03:43:21 PM
WLC has scored!--but they miss the extra point! TSU wins, 38-37.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 03:54:07 PM
Alma 37, Kalamazoo 35 with about a minute to go
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2006, 04:01:14 PM
Alma 37, Kalamazoo 35  Final

Congratulations to this week's winners, especially Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 05:30:03 PM
Hope's D has come up big the last 2 weeks. One offensive TD vs. TSU, and all 3 of today's scores came off of Olivet turnovers. (2 of which led to short drives for 10 of the 16 points today.) The Flying Dutchmen held Olivet when they had to. It'll be interesting to see how they plan- finishing the regular season against a WLC team that has to be utterly demoralized and then going into the playoffs. If Hope faces a high-octane passing offense that rarely turns the ball over in the playoffs---- ??? ??? ??? :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2006, 07:38:47 PM
I know I don't post here much, if at all, but I was looking over the Hope/Olivet boxscore

How on Earth did Hope win?........5 firstdowns?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 08:43:59 PM
sac--it was a punt fest a good share of the game and Olivet had 3 turnovers that led indirectly to all of Hope's scores (2 of which were made by the defense--again).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2006, 08:50:11 PM
If you were ruler of Angola, IN how would you reward TSU coach Land this year? (I'm putting my sense of humor to work here, folks).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 05, 2006, 04:16:20 PM
Olivet's starting punter was also hurt I hear.  In a punt fest that will definitely make a difference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 05, 2006, 04:17:57 PM
How do you folks think Hope will do in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 05, 2006, 06:21:45 PM
That will depend greatly upon their matchup.  They should be competitive with just about anyone they face.  I think if Booko can have a good game, and Hope can move the ball offensively while continuing to get help from its defense, they will be able to break this MIAA losing skid in the postseason.  Having said that, I am nowhere near the foremost authority on Dutch football, so if my analysis is wrong, I will admit my idiocy and defer to wiser parties.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2006, 07:33:17 PM
Since Hope is the only (likely) North region playoff team not in the regional rankings, I'd say there is a fairly good likelihood that they will find themselves in Alliance for the first round.  If so, I don't much like their chances of seeing the second round! ;)

If, instead, they go to Mt St. Joe or Concordia (Wisc), they should be competitive, though the home team would be a strong favorite.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 05, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
Congrats to the Flying Dutchman!  It is nice to see our sister school in the playoffs.  Look forward to coming there next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2006, 11:50:19 PM
Quote from: sac on November 04, 2006, 07:38:47 PM
I know I don't post here much, if at all, but I was looking over the Hope/Olivet boxscore

How on Earth did Hope win?........5 firstdowns?
Quote from: ACRULZ on November 05, 2006, 04:16:20 PM
Olivet's starting punter was also hurt I hear.  In a punt fest that will definitely make a difference.

sac:
Hope won because of the defense, which made big stops when they had to.  It was a defensive slug-fest and both teams played tremendous in that aspect.  Olivet is a very good team and my (our) "helmets are off to them" for a great effort and game; they are, IMO, the MIAA surprise team of the year.  Both teams, however, did not play that well offensively.  Granted, the Comets could pass the ball against Hope's secondary, which had trouble covering their very good WR's, especially on long "down and out" patterns.  However, Hope's pass rush was too intense for Olivet, and their QB made the mistake of throwing the ball not anticipating Hope's CB (Blasiak) being in position for the long TD score.

Hope, on the other hand, will have to indeed crank up the offense to have a chance in the playoffs.  They repeatedly could not convert 3 and 1 (or less) situations which needs to be improved.  And the 1-13 passing in the first half is not a great stat except that it was for the TD pass, and in the end, that's what counts.

It was a very good MIAA game, with a pretty good crowd - near but not capacity which was slightly disappointing since it was essentially for the MIAA title - I expected more Olivet fans for overflowing standing room only.  Their football complex and the synthetic turf, however, is very nice.

Our coaching staff did a tremendous job, the players never gave up and had great intensity when it got tough towards the end.  Also, I compliment Olivet's coaching staff which did a good job also along with their players.  Officiating, however, was not very good yesterday - a topic and situation which continues to get worse in the MIAA unfortunately, and one which we've discussed here in the past as well as in general on other boards.

Anyway, congrats to the Hope team and their staff on the MIAA title and AQ.  We still have one game left vs. WLC to "run the table" after the 0-3 start before even starting to think about the playoffs.

Congrats to the other MIAA winners yesterday - it appears there were some very good games.



ACRULZ:
In most cases that is usually true, however, yesterday it did not make a difference.  Both punters did fairly well; there were a few shanked or shorter kicks, but with good bounces in favor of the kicking team and none that put people in extremely poor position that I recall.  The poor kicks were, IMO, due to the tremendous pass rush by both teams.  Olivet's punter did a pretty good job; but so did our kicker Bowen (although the latter missed a PAT, his fieldgoal was a fairly long one and dead on accurate - could have cleared another 10+ yards at least).  Nonetheless, the kicking game can make the difference in a game like yesterday's and it almost did, had Olivet pulled out another score in the last 2 minutes of the game.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2006, 11:54:39 PM
Oops!  Somehow, my post got placed in the previous cited posts rather than in the usual section below those - sorry about that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 06, 2006, 12:32:05 PM
formerd3db,

Hey buddy, long time no talk.  Hopefully is all is well with your daughter.  TMC has their big Bridge Bowl game this week at home against an undefeated MSJ. 

One of my customers has a son who is a freshman CC runner at Hope.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 06, 2006, 03:38:21 PM
Congrats to Hope.  They've won the close games all year, and in doing so, proven that they're the best team to represent the MIAA in the playoffs.  Here's hoping they can break this losing streak in the playoffs, and make a nice run.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2006, 05:44:17 PM
SaintsFAN:

Good to hear from you.  Yes, it's been awhile since we've "posted back" at each other, although I've seen some of your posts on the other boards.  That's great that your customer has a frosh runner at Hope.  My own "clan" at Hope both are doing fine - thanks for asking.  Sorry about your TMC having a tough season - they seem to be like Alma is this year as well.  Hope all is well your way - from your posts, it appears you are doing well.  Anyway, I'm glad we've clinched a playoff spot, but like everyone else here, I HOPE we don't draw Mount Union ;D  Talk to you later friend. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2006, 05:45:48 PM
bulldogalum:
Thanks for the support.  Also, I'm sure that you were glad to see your Bulldogs beat Albion.  At least 3/4 of your family was not I'm sure ;D  Hope things are going well for you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 06, 2006, 06:56:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2006, 11:54:39 PM
Oops!  Somehow, my post got placed in the previous cited posts rather than in the usual section below those - sorry about that.

saw it thanks,  sounds like it was a real Midwestern slugfest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 06, 2006, 08:50:35 PM
what a great hope played saturday  verus  olivet there d shut them down
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2006, 09:23:44 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 06, 2006, 08:50:35 PM
what a great hope played saturday  verus  olivet there d shut them down
Quote from: sac on November 06, 2006, 06:56:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2006, 11:54:39 PM
Oops!  Somehow, my post got placed in the previous cited posts rather than in the usual section below those - sorry about that.

saw it thanks,  sounds like it was a real Midwestern slugfest.



Yes, it was one of the best and toughest games I've seen in a while.  As I mentioned, Olivet is a very good team - much better than people want to believe, give them credit for and/or than their record indicates.  Anyway, those are the kind of games that are fun, except when your team loses ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 07, 2006, 01:24:45 AM
"How will Hope fair in the post-season?"
I think Hope has a good shot against everybody, with the exception being Mt. Union.  I think everybody in the Midwest Region could say the same thing and don't want to face the Purple people eaters in Alliance.  Teams like Capital, Wheaton, Concordia-WI, MSJ, etc.  are beatable and as long as Hope plays to their capabilities they could compete.  Keep in mind I think Hope would probably have a ROAD game in the first round, which makes things a little more difficult than if the game was in Holland.  Any given Saturday, anything/everything can happen.  I would like to see the MIAA get a playoff win, hopefully not at a CCIW school's expense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 08, 2006, 11:23:34 AM
I think we all would like to see Hope win a couple games and they sure have the talent to do so. Will have to wait to see what the pairings are before we can make a good guess.
Lets hope they do not rank based on past post season performance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2006, 11:37:04 AM
Doesn't really matter -- if they seed based on the actual criteria Hope will still be last out of this group.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 08, 2006, 12:58:47 PM
Just my opinion but I believe The MIAA teams need to branch out of Michigan and recruit players from elsewhere.  With 3 MAC schools and countless GLIAC schools the kids that are left in Michigan are pretty well picked over.  I believe that is the reason for poor showings in both non-league games and the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Hope92 on November 08, 2006, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2006, 11:37:04 AM
Doesn't really matter -- if they seed based on the actual criteria Hope will still be last out of this group.


[Isn't possible Hope could get the number 7 seed in the North?  The reason I ask is Wittenberg also has 3 losses; Capital (7-1) now ranked 5th overall, Dayton not ranked and Ohio Wesleyan (3-7) also unranked on 10/21.  Hope's three losses; first three games of the season were to Central(9-0) now ranked 10th, Depauw (6-3) un ranked, and Wheaton (8-1) now ranked 18th.  Seems that Hope should get consideration to move ahead of Wittenburg based on thier recent loss to Ohio Wesleyan, and the quality of teams Hope has lost to.]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on November 08, 2006, 08:57:24 PM
The loss to Depauw should weigh more heavily in my consideration because there will be an opponent in common as between the two conferences.  Believe the same analysis holds true for the Dayton loss as well.

Butler beat Dayton and Butler was beaten by an MIAA.  Have to take into account the higher division status of Dayton.  Remember there were no regional points to be lost or gained in this matchup.

The Monon Bell has an NCAC, beaten by Wittenberg, playing a team that beat Hope head to head.  A Wabash win in this rivalry game has to favor Witt, whereas a Depauw win gives little insight unless the margin is great.

The OWU loss looks terrible and quite possibly will land Witt below Hope, but expect this analysis is too close to call and the NCAA will look to other criteria for the seeding, such as thinning Ohio teams by pitting them against each other, press box issues in either the CCIW or IBFC and general trends such as disdain for rematches from the regular season in the first round.

Would expect Capital will not see Witt in the first round.  Witt has not played either MSJ or MUC, so would expect that Witt will see one or the other if the NCAA wishes to thin the Ohio representatives.  Bythat analysis Cap would face MSJ and Witt gets MUC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2006, 09:21:26 PM
MacLeod,

So far as I know, there are no longer any pressbox (or other field deficiencies) in the CCIW - Carthage fixed their problem VERY promptly after losing home field!

I haven't heard anyone speak with authority concerning the alleged deficiency at CUW - but no one has denied it either.  The "conventional wisdom" at this point seems to be that they will not be able to host, but I just don't know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2006, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on November 08, 2006, 12:58:47 PM
Just my opinion but I believe The MIAA teams need to branch out of Michigan and recruit players from elsewhere.  With 3 MAC schools and countless GLIAC schools the kids that are left in Michigan are pretty well picked over.  I believe that is the reason for poor showings in both non-league games and the playoffs.

Not a bad idea.  The tuition at MIAA schools is less than most of the out-of-state schools and the academics comparable (if not better in some cases ;D i.e. depends on whose arguing that ;D).  As one example, Hope used to get a lot more players from NY, NJ, Conn areas due to the Reformed Church affiliations.  However, for some reason, that has declined alot in recent years.  On the other hand, some players like to be closer to home for a variety of reasons.  To each his own I guess. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2006, 10:37:45 PM
Hope92:

If Hope were to end up ahead of Wittenberg why wouldn't they be ranked ahead of them in the regional rankings already? They're at least two spots behind.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2006, 12:19:04 AM
Hope92,

Something Pat did not include:  Witt only has TWO in-region losses (Dayton doesn't count).  Since Witt plays Hiram on Saturday, I wouldn't count on a third loss!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Oval on November 09, 2006, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: wlcalum on November 08, 2006, 11:23:34 AM
I think we all would like to see Hope win a couple games and they sure have the talent to do so.

I don't understand this talent idea.  The Flying Dutchmen haven't won a non-MIAA game in 2006....Central, DePauw and Wheaton all beat Hope.  Do you see those three teams as going into the 3rd round of the NCAA's?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 09, 2006, 02:46:18 PM
In the Midwest, I think each team will go as far as Mt. Union.  The Purple Raiders aren't going to be beat in the first 2-3 rounds (if any) in 2006.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2006, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: Oval on November 09, 2006, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: wlcalum on November 08, 2006, 11:23:34 AM
I think we all would like to see Hope win a couple games and they sure have the talent to do so.

I don't understand this talent idea.  The Flying Dutchmen haven't won a non-MIAA game in 2006....Central, DePauw and Wheaton all beat Hope.  Do you see those three teams as going into the 3rd round of the NCAA's?

Oval:
Have you seen Hope (or any of those teams) play?  Indeed, Wheaton is a very, very good team and I was impressed with them (as I posted "way back" after the Hope/Wheaton game).  However, with a few breaks, Hope could have very well beaten them; but they just did not play well enough to do so that day - Wheaton deserved the win.  Hope's offense was playing better at times in some aspects then as opposed to the last couple of weeks in other aspects.  As many of people have said using that old but very true cliche, it all comes down to "any given Saturday".  Pontentially, with some luck, of the 3 you mention, I think Central and Wheaton could go that far.  Yet, as everyone not doubt agrees, history and current "talent" ;D is on Mount Union's side. :)  We shall see...I'm just happy that we (Hope) got to the first round of "the dance". :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 09, 2006, 10:07:04 PM
Anyone who would suggest that Hope has no playoff game against anyone other than Mt. Union is bonkers.  That's not to say that Hope would win, but they've been playing very well on defense, and if they can play somewhat better on offense, they're going to be a handful for just about anyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 10, 2006, 09:24:47 AM
I think depending on the match-up Hope can and will win a Playoff game.
Hope is playing good defense presently, avoid the turnover and they can beat many teams.

All bets are off if they play Mount Union, that is a whole different class of team.

Brings up the posts about why MIAA teams struggle in playoffs, I concur with the comments about the large number of D2 and D3 colleges in the area. A big draw on talent spread out too thin.

I also think many young men make the mistake of being a "redshirt" or player waiting for a chance in D2, in the misunderstanding that all D2 and D1 non scholarship teams are a better level of play.

There are some very talented D3 players and teams.
I think numerous young men come to D3 because, the education and personal contact with Professors leads to a better Academic experience.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 10, 2006, 11:49:43 AM
Hope will NOT win a playoff game.  First they are more than likely going to play Mt Union and second they are the best team in the MIAA but nationally they are definitely every bit of an 8 seed.  We have to remember Hope has won a lot of close games this year on luck, luck doesn't last forever.  Against Albion Hope was in a tight one and I believe Albion blew that game.  Against Adrian Hope caught some breaks and pulled it off.  Hope had 5 first downs against Olivet..etc.  All season long Hope has pulled off wins even though in those games they were not, talent wise anyway, the better team.  Hope cannot play like that in the playoffs and expect to win...especially not against a team like Mt. Union.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2006, 01:10:47 PM
ACRULZ
Are you a "Hope hater" or something like that? ;D  Not sure I agree with you on the talent issue.  Nonetheless, your post concurs with the rest of our opinions in that it takes "some breaks/luck" to win some games at times.  It could happen for Hope in the playoffs, although as I think we all agree, that will be difficult if Mount Union is the opponent.  Regardless, I hope you are pulling for your MIAA respresentative in the playoffs.  Your negativity against Hope is not helpful.  We root for whatever MIAA team respresents the league in the playoffs.  I went to last year's Albion playoff game and supported them (even though they are arch rivals) - while they did not play well enough to beat Wabash, it wasn't a blow-out either and with a few of those "breaks" you talk about, it could have occurred.  Yet, it didn't and that's history.  Give us a "break" and point some "Hopeful" support for the playoffs please. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 10, 2006, 02:14:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2006, 01:10:47 PM
ACRULZ
Are you a "Hope hater" or something like that? ;D  Not sure I agree with you on the talent issue.  Nonetheless, your post concurs with the rest of our opinions in that it takes "some breaks/luck" to win some games at times.  It could happen for Hope in the playoffs, although as I think we all agree, that will be difficult if Mount Union is the opponent.  Regardless, I hope you are pulling for your MIAA respresentative in the playoffs.  Your negativity against Hope is not helpful.  We root for whatever MIAA team respresents the league in the playoffs.  I went to last year's Albion playoff game and supported them (even though they are arch rivals) - while they did not play well enough to beat Wabash, it wasn't a blow-out either and with a few of those "breaks" you talk about, it could have occurred.  Yet, it didn't and that's history.  Give us a "break" and point some "Hopeful" support for the playoffs please. ;) 


LOL!  I didn't mean for it to come off that way however I was just looking at it realistically.  I do "hope" for the MIAA rep to do well in the playoffs.  I just do not want any false "hope" out there either.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2006, 02:22:29 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on November 10, 2006, 02:14:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2006, 01:10:47 PM
ACRULZ
Are you a "Hope hater" or something like that? ;D  Not sure I agree with you on the talent issue.  Nonetheless, your post concurs with the rest of our opinions in that it takes "some breaks/luck" to win some games at times.  It could happen for Hope in the playoffs, although as I think we all agree, that will be difficult if Mount Union is the opponent.  Regardless, I hope you are pulling for your MIAA respresentative in the playoffs.  Your negativity against Hope is not helpful.  We root for whatever MIAA team respresents the league in the playoffs.  I went to last year's Albion playoff game and supported them (even though they are arch rivals) - while they did not play well enough to beat Wabash, it wasn't a blow-out either and with a few of those "breaks" you talk about, it could have occurred.  Yet, it didn't and that's history.  Give us a "break" and point some "Hopeful" support for the playoffs please. ;) 


LOL!  I didn't mean for it to come off that way however I was just looking at it realistically.  I do "hope" for the MIAA rep to do well in the playoffs.  I just do not want any false "hope" out there either.


No offense taken!  We thank you for the support.  But of course, you know that we have to give it "that old college try" and go into the game with the belief we can win.  Just as any team would/should.  Strange things have happened i.e. the unexpected - look at Rutgers beating Louisville last evening! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2006, 03:46:27 PM
Although they probably won't see this because they shouldn't be on this site (uh, check that, perhaps better said they could see this yet should not be posting during the season ;D), I'd like to take this opportunity to wish all the senior football players on all the MIAA teams the very best in their last games (last regular season game for those at Hope).  This is a time of mixed emotions because it is a celebration of (usually) 4 years of hard work, dedication, commitment for not only themselves but the spirit of their respective school and all that collegiate football stands for, while on the other hand is a melencholy time since it will be most likely the last time they "pass this way".  So, again, good luck and God Bless all the senior players and their families in the MIAA for tomorrow's finale.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2006, 09:58:08 AM
Looks like we're going to be playing in that "lake effect" snow/rain/sleet weather phenonm that WLC is accustomed to!  I'm about to leave for the game @ Hope and "Hope" to stay dry and warm today!  Good luck to all the teams today - except WLC, of course as we want to finish this and "run the table" after that 0-3 start. ;D  For those of you going to games, dress warm and stay dry!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 11, 2006, 10:41:50 AM
Mr. Ypsi is right that with the upgrade to Carthage's Pressbox, every CCIW could host a NCAA Playoff Game if they were to earn a playoff game.  I still feel bad for that Carthage Team that had to go on the road, when they should have had the home game.
Recruiting is tough, especiall in your state because the D-II in your state is probably the best D-II football in the nation.  So after D 1, 1AA, and D-II has picked the "ripe" ones, there is only a handful left.  I think Division III is head and shoulders above the others, but recruiting and $$$ doesn't always agree with this.
I know Elmhurst Coaches spent a lot of time recruiting the Mt. Pleasant and Central Michigan Area heavily.  2006 Michiganders include QB Mike LaFleur, WR Blake Veldhuis, WR Lex Cisler, WR Matt Long, and WR Graeme Jarrell.  Going back a few years we had an All-Conference MLB  Dallas Till who was our leading tackler all 4 years he played.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 11:40:25 AM
It's a good bet that Hope's starters don't go the whole game. No point in getting key personnel hurt this game. ;) ;) :D :D ;) ;) :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 12:47:21 PM
Tri-State at Albion on deck.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 01:11:22 PM
Albion 7, TSU 0. 13:35 left in 1st. (To add insult to injury, TSU's Foster is out of the game--serious ankle injuy).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 01:16:49 PM
TSU's Sanders just broke a 50 yarder for a TD. Score tied at 7, 12:36 left in 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 01:37:29 PM
Albion 14, Tri-State 7, less than 1 minute left in 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:05:22 PM
Tri-State 14, Albion 14, less than a minute left in 2nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:13:51 PM
Albion 21, Tri-State 14;  Half  Jake Wilson's had a hot hand throwing thus far. TSU coach Land has been batting .500 with his "Kenny Rogers"-like 4th-down gambles on offense. (I'm referring to the singer, not the pitcher, folks.) :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:43:53 PM
Tri-State 21, Albion 21. Sanders pass to Hartmann. Approx. 8:00 left in 3rd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:49:25 PM
Albion 27, TSU 21:  TD, missed EPA. 6;00 left in 3rd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 02:58:09 PM
Albion 30, Tri-State 21;  Brits got a 30 yd FG to end the 3rd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:08:14 PM
Going to try some quick shifting, folks.

Adrian trailing vs. Alma. 35-28.  4:32 left in the 3rd.

Olivet ahead of Kzoo 30-17.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:29:23 PM
back to TSU/Albion. Albion still up, now 30-28 with just over 1 1/2 minutes left in 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:36:24 PM
Albion 30, Tri-State 28.  Final. (Not exactly what Matt Land wanted, but it beats the daylights out of the 73-point throttling the Brits gave them last season.)  :) :) :) ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:40:33 PM
Back to Adrian/Alma: 

Adrian down 45-28 with some 7 minutes left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:45:37 PM
Stick a fork in the Bulldogs, they are done. Denryter just had a pass intercepted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 03:48:33 PM
Shifted to Olivet vs. Kzoo again.

Olivet in command:  37-17, less than 8 minutes left in 4th.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BVHawk on November 11, 2006, 10:20:08 PM
Congrats to Hope on making the playoffs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 11, 2006, 11:06:16 PM
Congrats to the Dutch on the great conference season this year and making the playoffs.  It's great to see a team we played from another conference make the playoffs.  Good luck on the seating and make some noise now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BVHawk on November 12, 2006, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2006, 10:43:46 PM
Who would you vote for for MIAA football coach of the year?

Wouldn't the Hope coach be the front-runner?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 12, 2006, 11:18:08 AM
If that's based on regular season alone, that would probably make the most sense, if a fan was to go by strictly what was on paper. (Are pro-Hope posters waiting untill the Flying Dutchmen's playoff resuts before they respond?). Hope was projected to finish 3rd, Olivet 5th and Tri-State last in pre-season. If one goes by most-unexpected performance from a used-to-be perpetual underdog, that's where Tri-State enters the picture. Though the on-paper numbers still may not stack up in comparison, the Thunder team is in consideration because of the unexpected level of heart shown, particularly in their "near-miss" losses and both conference wins. Since this poster likes it when a long-time underdog makes strides, he's going with the Angola squad on the poll. :) ;) :D :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 12, 2006, 11:25:58 AM
Hey, ACRULZ, this poster's got a suggestion for a Christmas gift Hope could send Tri-State for beating Olivet--how about a 6-month supply of Gatorade?  ::) ???  (Why not? TSU could either keep it in storage or use it for more soakings after future victories!!) Ba dumm bumm.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 12, 2006, 02:35:14 PM
Congratulations to Hope, and good luck in the playoffs.  Unfortunately, the MIAA doesn't appear on track to get a playoff win this year, with Hope heading to Mount Union in the first round.  Let's hope they make a decent showing at least, which I think they will. 

I was also glad to see Tri-State make significant improvements this year.  They almost took out Albion yesterday, by the sound of it.  I know Albion is having a down year, but coming so close to defeating the Brits at home does show some promise.  I think TSU will contribute to the competitiveness of the MIAA down the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 12, 2006, 02:52:44 PM
This poster wouldn't be surprised if Hope's secondary gets a real test next week. If Hope's D is on like it's been the last few weeks--(how about getting early points off turnovers?)  ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section13raiderfan on November 12, 2006, 05:48:38 PM
Heres a tip-o-da-hat to Hope College for making the playoffs and drawing Mount Union first round. It will be nice to see a game against someone we have never met in the playoffs before. You might be encouraged to learn that the Raiders are somewhat banged up, including several key starters. On the downside...the Raiders are pretty deep since many backups play a quarter or more regularly. LK wont have 200+ kids to choose from in the playoffs though. I hope you bring many fans for this since the drive is not untolerable. See ya Saturday. Good Luck.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 12, 2006, 06:27:54 PM
I voted for Coach Land at Tri State because, having seen that team play the last few seasons, I don't think any team improved more this season.  They went from being an automatic win to a team that was much tougher to get past, and that is a big step in a program like that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 12, 2006, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 12, 2006, 11:25:58 AM
Hey, ACRULZ, this poster's got a suggestion for a Christmas gift Hope could send Tri-State for beating Olivet--how about a 6-month supply of Gatorade?  ::) ???  (Why not? TSU could either keep it in storage or use it for more soakings after future victories!!) Ba dumm bumm.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D :) ;) :D


Lol!  I agree!  Congrats to Hope and good luck in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 12, 2006, 07:04:50 PM
Also, the Scots just beat the crap out of my Bulldogs Saturday.  The Bulldogs didn't mail it in for the season, they came out and played hard.  Alma was just a better team athletically.  Congrats on the win Scots!  By the way, Braveheart's Pub in Alma has great burgers!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 12, 2006, 07:41:22 PM
Congratulations to Hope College as MIAA Champs and (HOPEfully- no pun intended) an upset of Mt. Union.  Hey David vs. Goliath has happened before and if the Dutch play to their capabilities, anything can happen.  Also I want to extend Congratulations to Olivet and HC Dom Livedoti's Team as the Comets had a very good year.  I think they will be fairly strong next year also.
Formerd3db-- How about that.  I remember emailing you telling you that Hope was my "favorite" to make the playoffs back in October... How come I can't be right on other "life" predictions like I was on this one?  :P
How long of a drive/travel is it from Holland to Alliance?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2006, 08:58:05 PM
jaybird:
Yes, only if it were so easy like that! ;)  Anyway, thanks for the congrats - you were right.  As far as the distance, it is about 6 1/2 hours drive - not too bad.  Also, congrats to your Elmhurst on a fine season.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 13, 2006, 04:01:55 PM
Formerd3db-Thank you for the EC praise.  We had an o.k. year, but like most confs. the competitiveness from top to bottom is extreme and we fell short in a couple of heartbreakers.
I think the Dutch should and will go into Alliance with the thought of playing well enough to win.  We all know Mt. Union is a fb giant, but they are human, flesh, and blood like all of us, so go and fight hard for the MIAA.
I am surprised that only 1 person (now 2 as I voted) think Dom Livedoti deserves COA Honors.  He really helped build the Olivet program and gave the Comets a shot at post season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 13, 2006, 06:30:30 PM
Mount Union is human flesh and blood???  Where have you been?  They are a machine--just wait and see!! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2006, 06:58:59 PM
Quote from: theaprof on November 13, 2006, 06:30:30 PM
Mount Union is human flesh and blood???  Where have you been?  They are a machine--just wait and see!! :o

theaprof:

But even machines break down at times! ;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2006, 06:59:35 PM
Quote from: theaprof on November 13, 2006, 06:30:30 PM
Mount Union is human flesh and blood???  Where have you been?  They are a machine--just wait and see!! :o

I hope you don't carry that over to the classroom! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section13raiderfan on November 13, 2006, 07:19:22 PM


For your info, there is an airport 25 minutes drive from Mount Union College. Its called Canton-Akron airport and its airport sign is CAK if you want to check into flying in and out. I just flew from CAK to DET airport and it was 25 minutes in the air. I dont know who would rather fly than drive...but you do have options. How far is Hope College from Detroit anyways?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2006, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: section13raiderfan on November 13, 2006, 07:19:22 PM


For your info, there is an airport 25 minutes drive from Mount Union College. Its called Canton-Akron airport and its airport sign is CAK if you want to check into flying in and out. I just flew from CAK to DET airport and it was 25 minutes in the air. I dont know who would rather fly than drive...but you do have options. How far is Hope College from Detroit anyways?

From Hope (Holland, MI) to Detroit is about 2 1/2 - 3 hours (depending on traffic).  Drive from Lansing about 5 hours; 6 1/2 from Holland.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 14, 2006, 10:38:53 AM
Not much chatter going on over here!!

For those Dutchmen planning on making the trip to Alliance, I would suggest taking the Ohio Turnpike to I-77 south to 62 east--get off 62 at the State Street-Alliance exit and head east--that will take you right to our campus and the Stadium.

A shorter, but slightly more complicated route is to take the Ohio turnpike to Streetsboro and then take 14 east through Ravenna and continue on until you go under I-76--about 3/4 of a mile later take 183 south into Alliance--you will join up with Union Ave when you get into Alliance--take that south to State Street and the campus--the Stadium is in the southwest corner of campus.

There are a couple of hotels in Alliance, but you would probably do better to look for a place in Canton (where I-77 and 62 intersect)

Tailgaiting is usually tolerated in the parking lot on the southwest corner of the stadium--keep it in a cup and you probably won't get hassled.

Safe travels to all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 11:00:24 AM
theaprof:
Many thanks for the information.  It will be helpful to our Hope followers for sure.  See you at the game (although, perhaps we can get some more "chatter" postings here and on your board before everyone leaves on Friday ;)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 14, 2006, 11:24:54 AM
Hello Hope faithful!

A Mount fan here who would be interested in learning about what kind of offense the Dutchman run, and who is considered their "big guns"? 

It's nice to get some prior knowledge of who's who before the game.

Thanks, and safe journeys to anyone that is traveling.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 14, 2006, 02:56:38 PM
While I do think Hope has their work cut out for them,  I think it is very important for the Dutch to get off to a "good start" on Saturday.  If they walk into Alliance and fall behind by 14-21 points early,  it is going to be a long afternoon.  On the flipside, if the Dutch are hanging in their and perhaps only down 7-10 points throughout,  then anything could happen in the 4th quarter.
I don't by the "machine" analogy with Mt. Union.  They are a great team indeed, however they are susceptible to fumbles, the elements, etc. just like every other team in D-3.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OU#25 on November 14, 2006, 03:04:35 PM
79jaybird:
I agree with your assessment of Hope getting out to a fast start on Saturday.  Mount has not trailed in any game this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 14, 2006, 04:10:56 PM
"Mount has not trailed in any game this season"  So one might wonder how the Purple Raiders will react if they were to be down and/or in a dogfight late in the 4th quarter. ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OU#25 on November 14, 2006, 04:33:51 PM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on November 14, 2006, 04:41:27 PM
If you can swing it Hope fans, try and catch the NFL Hall of Fame.  The game is at noon, so it might be hard to swing.  But definitely worth the trip.  When Wheaton played down there in 97 my Dad and I hit the Hall the morning of the game, but I think the games started at 1 PM back then.   Word has it that Mount has a great buffet before the game too, I'm sure you'll be hearing about that soon enough...... :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 14, 2006, 05:11:34 PM
79jaybird,

I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.  I know that "On any given day" could happen, but it didn't happen for over 100 conference games till last year, and that was to an excellent team in ONU.  It also has randomly happened in the playoffs, but not to a 7-3 first round opponent.

Congrats to making the playoffs, enjoy the trip and the atmosphere, but it will take a lot more than a couple of turnovers to beat the Raiders.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 14, 2006, 06:25:22 PM
KirasDad, I am not getting my "HOPEs (no pun intended) up to high" I am just stating facts that as a huge underdog, Hope has to come out of the gates sharp, be ready to play, and play fundamentals limiting mistakes.  On the flipside, MUC being a big "incumbent"  doesn't want to let an underdog hang around, because that's when upsets occur.  Do I think Hope is going to win on Saturday?  Not really  Do I think that Hope has a shot?  Yes as do all the playoff teams in the NCAA's this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 14, 2006, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on November 14, 2006, 11:24:54 AM
Hello Hope faithful!

A Mount fan here who would be interested in learning about what kind of offense the Dutchman run, and who is considered their "big guns"? 

It's nice to get some prior knowledge of who's who before the game.

Thanks, and safe journeys to anyone that is traveling.

Hope's "big guns" on offense are:  QB Jake Manning, RB David Booko, FB Andy Serrano, WR Doug VanEerden and TE Kevin VandenBosch. Booko's forte is being a "punishing" type of runner who knows how to fake defenders out with moves. He is seldom called upon to catch the ball. VanEerden and VandenBosch are 2 receivers Manning likes to go to when he needs to throw. Hope's more prone to run than to throw. I'll let another MIAA poster elaborate further.

On defense, Hope's stepped it up quite a bit in their last several games. DE Matt Rugenstein has been a stopper. DB,s Troy Blasius and Kevin Roschek have come up with several interceptions the last few games. Chris Bowen's punting isn't to be overlooked, either. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rscl70 on November 14, 2006, 07:29:17 PM
[quote author=kirasdad link=topic=3548.msg609264#msg609264 date=1163542294

Congrats to making the playoffs, enjoy the trip and the atmosphere, but it will take a lot more than a couple of turnovers to beat the Raiders.
[/quote]

I hope there is some "atmosphere" to enjoy.  With rain in the forecast and Ohio Sate playing that other team from up north, folks may be inclined to stay indoors and party.  Could be a slim crowd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 14, 2006, 09:32:47 PM
I was looking at the post season awards for the MIAA today and I'm wondering about some things.  I'm about to be called a "hope hater" again but anyway.  How does the Defensive POY award go to Rugenstein over Taz Wallace.  I understand Rugenstein is a great player, I seen him first hand.  But Wallace is the best linebacker the MIAA has seen in years.  Every one will say Adrian pads his stats, if you watched Taz over the last 4 years you know he is ALWAYS around the ball.  And I know I am a bit biased here but he is very deserving.  I mean this guy is the most prolific tackler ever in D III history.  He broke a record for average tackles per game in a career.  If a guy has numbers and credentials like that, how do you not give him POY honors???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 10:26:53 PM
ACRULZ:
You make some valid points re: Wallace for consideration.  Several posters here had this similar discussion last year; seems like every leagues followers have this discussion every year. ;D    The award signifies "this year", not a career.  According to league stats, Wallace had more total tackles than Rugenstein, however, the latter had more sacks overall and averaged at least one per game.  He also had some bigger key plays for stops it would appear.  Another factor is that Hope won the league and it usually occurs that "to the victor goes the spoils", even if that might seem and/or be unfair at times.  I recall in several seasons where the championship team afforded the most all-league selections when, for sure, there were a few players from other teams that were not chosen First Team who perhaps should have been.  Last year as I recall, the league interception leader was among those and in the opinion of many, should have been.  Of course, there are many deserving players, but unfortunately, only specific # of spots for first team.  While Wallace is certainly deserving of the MVP, so is Rugenstein, and in life sometimes,
"that's the way it goes".  My congrats to Wallace, though, on a fantastic career at Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 10:30:42 PM
I forgot to add this: ...and my congratulations to all the student-athletes who were chosen for MIAA honors; First, Second and Honorable Mention Teams and all the MVP and Schmidt Award selections.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 10:36:34 PM
WLCALUM83:
I would say that is a pretty good assesment, although I'm glad you made it and not me, lest I get accused of "giving secrets or advantage to the opponent". ;D

BTW, your team gave us a pretty good scare in the first quarter of last Saturday's game.  They just kind of "ran out of gas" as Hope continued to pound away.  I give them credit for not quitting, however, and the WLC coaching staff exhibited class in congratulating Coach Kreps and his staff and all the players and wishing us well in the playoffs and in representing the league.  Hopefully, WLC can improve for next year, their last in the MIAA as you know, before they head into their new conference.

Also, do you know how WLC's injured player (knee) is doing?  I hope he is doing better. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 15, 2006, 07:47:47 AM
Thanks for the props. Congrats to all who made All-Conference.

(Just as a side note:  Last I heard, Matt Kehl's studying to become a chiropractor. Best of luck to him!).

:) ;) :D :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 15, 2006, 03:18:06 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 14, 2006, 10:26:53 PM
ACRULZ:
You make some valid points re: Wallace for consideration.  Several posters here had this similar discussion last year; seems like every leagues followers have this discussion every year. ;D    The award signifies "this year", not a career.  According to league stats, Wallace had more total tackles than Rugenstein, however, the latter had more sacks overall and averaged at least one per game.  He also had some bigger key plays for stops it would appear.  Another factor is that Hope won the league and it usually occurs that "to the victor goes the spoils", even if that might seem and/or be unfair at times.  I recall in several seasons where the championship team afforded the most all-league selections when, for sure, there were a few players from other teams that were not chosen First Team who perhaps should have been.  Last year as I recall, the league interception leader was among those and in the opinion of many, should have been.  Of course, there are many deserving players, but unfortunately, only specific # of spots for first team.  While Wallace is certainly deserving of the MVP, so is Rugenstein, and in life sometimes,
"that's the way it goes".  My congrats to Wallace, though, on a fantastic career at Adrian.

All good points...Two great players, one award leads to tough choices.  But either way both kids had great years.  Nobody is ever completely happy when league awards come out but congrats to all the athletes named ALL MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bushman on November 15, 2006, 08:17:42 PM
Congrats to Hope Flying Dutchman for making the playoffs.  Even though you have to play Mt. there is a plus side to this matchup for Hope.  First of all you will get to see how you stack up against one of the better programs in D3.  You can use it as a measuring stick for what your needs are in order to improve for the future.  Second, the experience will be invaluable for your underclassmen next year.   To be the best you must play the best.  Good luck on your trip to A town.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2006, 11:59:45 PM
Quote from: bushman on November 15, 2006, 08:17:42 PM
Congrats to Hope Flying Dutchman for making the playoffs.  Even though you have to play Mt. there is a plus side to this matchup for Hope.  First of all you will get to see how you stack up against one of the better programs in D3.  You can use it as a measuring stick for what your needs are in order to improve for the future.  Second, the experience will be invaluable for your underclassmen next year.   To be the best you must play the best.  Good luck on your trip to A town.

Thanks bushman.  We'll see what happens; our players will just have to do the best they can and hopefully we'll have a decent showing and maybe a surprise or two (like the upset of the century?! ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 16, 2006, 08:54:17 AM
Yeah, right! Somehow I don't think it's going to happen--but as they say--on any given Saturday....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 16, 2006, 09:11:07 AM
Shock the world, Dutchmen, shock the world!  Make it two big wins for the State of Michigan down in O**o this weekend!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 16, 2006, 09:40:21 AM
It's 9:39 AM in Ohio.......and Michigan (and Hope) still suck!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hawk'ster on November 16, 2006, 11:06:06 AM
Again....to the recruiting.  Calvin puts two volleyball players on the AA team, both from Ohio.  The MIAA is not going to win NCAA playoff football games using Michigan high school'ers.

Quote from: hawk'ster on November 16, 2006, 11:02:44 AM
2006 AVCA NCAA Division III All-America Volleyball Team (http://www.avca.org/collegiate/DIIIawards/06DIIIAA.asp)

AVCA DIVISION III FIRST-TEAM ALL-AMERICA
Kristen Kalb   Calvin College   OH   Jr.   5-9   Stow, Ohio

AVCA DIVISION III SECOND-TEAM ALL-AMERICA
Molly Krikke   Calvin College   MB   Jr.   5-11   Greenwich, Ohio
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: raiderguy on November 16, 2006, 11:47:43 AM
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.

Go Bucks!

Go Raiders!

Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?

You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?

It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams. 

Make that three :-X :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: raiderguy on November 16, 2006, 11:47:43 AM
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.

Go Bucks!

Go Raiders!

Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?

You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?

It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams. 

Make that three :-X :-X


You know what they said about David and Goliath in the Bible (and Rutgers last week) don't you?! :) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 16, 2006, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: raiderguy on November 16, 2006, 11:47:43 AM
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.
Go Bucks!
Go Raiders!
Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?
You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?
It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams. 
Make that three :-X :-X
You know what they said about David and Goliath in the Bible (and Rutgers last week) don't you?! :) ;) ;D

I'll give you David and Goliath but Rutgers/Louiville is not the same as Hope/Mount Union.

Maybe if Boise State were to beat Ohio State, that might be closer to this matchup.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 16, 2006, 03:46:09 PM
Quote from: kirasdad on November 16, 2006, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: raiderguy on November 16, 2006, 11:47:43 AM
And Michigan is not going to beat Ohio State even with their second tier Ohio players.
Go Bucks!
Go Raiders!
Hey Hope!......it's the playoffs. How about some smack?
You aren't just coming to Alliance to lose are you?
It looks like you played a challenging schedule and as mentioned earlier two of your losses came to playoff teams. 
Make that three :-X :-X

That sounds good, perhaps it will happen if Boise State makes the Rose Bowl! ;)
You know what they said about David and Goliath in the Bible (and Rutgers last week) don't you?! :) ;) ;D

I'll give you David and Goliath but Rutgers/Louiville is not the same as Hope/Mount Union.

Maybe if Boise State were to beat Ohio State, that might be closer to this matchup.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 16, 2006, 03:48:11 PM
Sorry about that, my quip is in there somewhere.  To avoid making everyone sort through that mess, I'll repost it here:

In response to the idea of Boise State beating Ohio State:

That sounds good, perhaps it will happen if Boise St. makes the Rose Bowl! ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 16, 2006, 04:30:47 PM
What is/are the itinerary plan(s) for Hope traveling to Alliance?  Are the Dutch leaving today or tomorrow (Friday) for the Buckeye State?
I know they are expecting rain and possible snow showers in IL/IN today, so is there a chance this storm system will be over OH/PA on Saturday?
I think a messy field will benefit an underdog, which would possibly help Hope.  While I think it is a large uphill climb, I will be pulling for Hope on Sat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HScoach on November 16, 2006, 04:51:05 PM
Don't owrry about a sloppy field.  MUC installed Field Turf a few years ago. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 16, 2006, 04:57:04 PM
I know MUC's Field is Field Turf (AstroPlay I believe??) but if it is raining and/or snowing, even turf can get slippery and difficult to maneuver on.  We have AstroPlay at Elmhurst and in the rain, the carpet is tricky to make the quick cuts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: raiderguy on November 16, 2006, 05:01:04 PM
Bulldogalum

The Buckeyes are going to be in Arizona so they won't see Boise State in CA.

With a 500 yd performance last week on the ground bring on a messy field?

But like hscoach said "Field Turf"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 06:41:39 PM
kirasdad:
Sorry to disagree, but the analogy is a legit one.  No way Rutgers beats Louisville in repeat games; it was a fluke they did, albeit they deserved the win.  Rutgers is having a Cinderella year and is a good team, just like Hope.  Very few people expected Rutgers would actually win (even less dared to predict it).  Again, while admittedly Hope's chances are slim if that, on rare occasions, the unexpected happens.  It indeed would be a miracle and I'm not going to hold my breath, however, it would be ridiculous to think that Hope is not going to "give it that old college try" i.e. come down to Alliance with a losing attitude like they don't have a chance at all. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 06:43:29 PM
jaybird:
Team bus leaves very early AM tomorrow.  Indeed, the weather does not look promising.  I HOPE it clears up (like no rain would be nice!).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 06:46:31 PM
Since we're discussing "impossibilities", can I throw another example as in the Centre College upset of Harvard back in the 1920's?! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rscl70 on November 16, 2006, 07:01:07 PM
Forecast for Saturday is a 20% chance of showers after noon, with light winds.  Should not effect the game at all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 16, 2006, 07:33:31 PM
formerd3db-  Have a safe trip and safe travels to all the Hope players, fans, parents traveling.  I assume you are traveling with the team Doc?
Talk to you soon.  M
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 16, 2006, 08:09:44 PM
Other famous past upsets:

Pros:  1985 New England playoff run.

College:  1974. Wisconsin over Nebraska.

               1981. Wisconsin over Michigan

               1981. Wisconsin over Ohio State

               Penn State over Miami, FL (one of the years V Testaverde was QB).

               1998. Texas A & M over Kansas State (Big XII Championship)

               

And back in Div III.

              Wisconsin Lutheran over Adrian, 2004.

              Tri-State over Olivet, 2006.

               :) ;) :D :) ;) :D :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bushman on November 16, 2006, 08:20:54 PM
I expect Hope will see a steady diet of run run and more runs.  Not much passing on saturday by the Raiders. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 16, 2006, 08:28:56 PM
Wishes for safe travel for all of the Flying Dutchmen and their fans.  See you Saturday!--Look for me, I should be easy to find--I'll be the one dressed in purple!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2006, 08:49:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2006, 06:46:31 PM
Since we're discussing "impossibilities", can I throw another example as in the Centre College upset of Harvard back in the 1920's?! ;D

Contrary to persistent rumor - I was NOT at that game! 

Arguably the greatest upset of all time (though in bball, not fball) was Chaminade over Ralph Sampson's #1 Virginia.  If THAT could happen, Hope COULD beat MUC!  (I'm not crazy; I doubt it will happen, but don't give up HOPE!) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 16, 2006, 09:27:30 PM
I'd rank Villanova over Patrick Ewing's Georgetown squad in '85 NCAA final 2nd or 3rd. :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2006, 09:48:29 PM
While that was quite an upset, it was not even the biggest upset of that NCAA tourney!  Georgetown was NOT ranked #1 in the country at the outset - Michigan was - 'nova beat them in the second round.

And for d1 final fours, I still rank NCState over Houston's 'Phi Slamma Jamma' as even a bigger upset than what 'nova did.

The point for THIS board is that, while Hope over MUC would be a HUGE (ALMOST unimaginable) upset, even bigger upsets have occurred.  Keep HOPE alive! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 17, 2006, 06:51:39 AM
Good luck to Hope this weekend and safe travels to all playoff teams!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 17, 2006, 07:09:00 AM
Man, you guys are just too nice.  :)

Safe travels to Alliance this weekend!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section13raiderfan on November 17, 2006, 03:59:35 PM
For all you Hope fans who think playing Mount Union at home is an impossible task.
A  team from Texas with the initials UMHB will disagree with you. It took a last second Hail Mary to do it...but it happened. I pray it doesnt happen again..but it happened. Just back yer boys and all will be well anyways. I hope you enjoy the contest ( but I hope we enjoy it more) and also enjoy you day in Alliance.

God Bless Bo Schembeckler. Rest in Peace. Remember you Meeeechiganners...he was from Ohio and he graduated from THE Ohio State University. No wonder he was good for TSUN!    Just had to get that in. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2006, 09:44:45 PM
The one Michigan-OSU game I remember is the 1974 match-up in which a last-second Michigan field-goal attempt went awry. (Thought it looked good from on TV.) OSU ended up winning, 12-10. :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 17, 2006, 09:53:21 PM
WLCAlum83-
Are you going back to your Alma Mater for the NC/CUW game tomorrow?  If you are,  stop by the pressbox after the game, I would like to meet you.  I will be calling the game with Wes Anderson.  I will be wearing my Elmhurst Windbreaker, so I can be easily spotted. Hehe
Good luck to Hope and all playoff teams on Sunday.  Tis' the weekend for upsets!  :P ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2006, 10:02:23 PM
Quote from: section13raiderfan on November 17, 2006, 03:59:35 PM
God Bless Bo Schembeckler. Rest in Peace. Remember you Meeeechiganners...he was from Ohio and he graduated from THE Ohio State University. No wonder he was good for TSUN!    Just had to get that in. ;)

While Bo had solid Ohio roots (and never had the antipathy for OSU that Woody had [or feigned] for TSUN), make no mistake about it - for the last half of his life, Bo was TOTALLY a 'Michigan Man'!  (When Bill Frieder gave 3-weeks notice on the verge of the 1989 bball tourney, Bo (then both AD and fball coach) fired him on the spot and angrily announced "A Michigan Man will coach Michigan, not an Arizona State Man".  Sure enough, 3 weeks later it was erst-while assistant coach Steve Fisher cutting down the net after Michigan's only bball national championship.)

Despite his gruff public persona, Bo was a 'teddy bear' at heart - he was beloved by former players, whether stars or end-of-benchers.  After the death of his beloved first wife, 'Millie', he raised tens of millions of dollars for cancer research.  I'm not ashamed to admit that I have been tearing up periodically all day, and I never even met the guy!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2006, 05:52:30 AM
Quote from: 79jaybird on November 17, 2006, 09:53:21 PM
WLCAlum83-
Are you going back to your Alma Mater for the NC/CUW game tomorrow?  If you are,  stop by the pressbox after the game, I would like to meet you.  I will be calling the game with Wes Anderson.  I will be wearing my Elmhurst Windbreaker, so I can be easily spotted. Hehe
Good luck to Hope and all playoff teams on Sunday.  Tis' the weekend for upsets!  :P ;)
l

Sorry, 79jaybird, doesn't look like I'll be able to make it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2006, 06:03:01 AM
 I'll be away from my machine when the games begin:

   Go, Hope!  If you aren't able to pull off the upset, give Mount Union a darn good run for its' money!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 18, 2006, 01:29:02 PM
Hope's down 42-0 at the half.  Ouch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 18, 2006, 07:27:33 PM
Looks like the MIAA has a long way to go to compete on the national level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bushman on November 18, 2006, 07:29:36 PM
Congrats to Hope, I thought you played as hard as you could.  I also hope the player that was hurt is going to be OK.  I saw him waive to the crowd as he left the stadium.  Once again you never gave up and played hard and showed excellent sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 18, 2006, 07:49:34 PM
Congratulations Hope on your great season, despite what happened this afternoon.  They don't call them the Purple Machine for nothing and still should hold your heads up high b/c you are the 2006 MIAA Champs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 18, 2006, 07:54:32 PM
Keep your heads up Dutchman you weren't the only losers today.  Congrats to a fine season and conference championship.  Look forward to coming up there next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: theaprof on November 18, 2006, 08:20:01 PM
Congrats to Hope for a hard fought game.  I hope that Mr. Oostervan who was injured is okay--he played a whale of a game.  It was very heartening to see him wave to the stands as he was wheeled off the field.  I can't imagine how hard it was for all of the players to get back into the game after the injury.  I was pleased to see that the NCAA allowed his parents to come out onto the field.

Maybe we can meet again next year.  Congratulations again for a fine season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 18, 2006, 10:49:32 PM
"You weren't the only losers today"
Dutchfan2004  I personally wouldn't call anybody losers this afternoon.  Yes there were the teams that got the W's and L's but to make it into the Playoffs, put all your heart into the game(s), etc.  these young men are NOT losers.
Hope is a champion this year.  They might not have made it to the 2nd round, but they are still the 2006 MIAA Champion that is respectable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rscl70 on November 19, 2006, 08:42:26 AM
Congratulations to Hope on your championship season.  Perhaps we'll meet in the playoffs again next year.  Reports here this morning are that Oostveen was treated and released.  Best wishes to him and his family for a quick recovery from any lingering effects of that hit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section13raiderfan on November 19, 2006, 09:21:07 AM
This Raiderfan was pleased to read in the morning paper that Nick Osterveen was treated and released from the hospital. Nobody wants to see anybodys kid leave the field on a backboard.  It was awful watching his parents apprehensively walk out there, not knowning what they would encounter when they got there. Thankfully the hospital is so close to the stadium if you need it.

To the Dutchman faithful who made the drive to Alliance to back your boys....take heart...your team is quite young and the best is still ahead for them. The underlying talent is there...it needs more experience...but its there.

Your cheerleders were great. You should call them the FLYING Dutchwomen. They had a tough job but seemed pleased to do it anyways.

Sorry about them Wolverines......wanna rematch?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 19, 2006, 11:35:33 AM
If I was voting, I would have the rematch (UM/OSU) in the National Championship Game.  Big 10 is Football to me.  None of the (business) with the SEC, Pac 10 etc.  Stagg, Schembechler, Hayes, etc. are football pioneers and all from the Big 10.
Glad to read that Osterveen is out of the hospital.  I wasn't at the game so could somebody fill me in on what happened?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2006, 07:34:45 PM
section13rf, rsc170, the aprof, jaybird:

Thanks for the kind comments and also your concern for Nick Oostveen.  He was not injured seriously and is doing fine.  Also, to you Mount followers, congrats on a fine win - we were impressed with Mount's team, particularly the speed and quickness.  Yes, perhaps we'll get another shot at Mount again next year ;).  Personally, I will be surprised if they do not win another Stagg Bowl this year.

To the Hope players and coaching staff, congratulations on a fine championship season and making the playoffs.  Thanks also to all of Hope's followers/supporters, family and fans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 19, 2006, 09:39:40 PM
79jaybird,

That was a better way to put it.  The athletes are not losers themselves, but the teams did lose.  I just wanted them to know they weren't alone and it's not fun. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 20, 2006, 02:40:19 AM
DutchFAn2004 I agree it is never a good feeling to lose in any sport, and at any level.  I am a hockey goalie and have been on both sides of a 7-0 score.  Nobody feels "worth" anything when they lose, but they sure do feel like a million dollars when they win!  ;)
Hope's a Champion and will be champion until almost a year from today. Congratulations again on the fine 2006 campaign and HOPEfully they can build on this. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2006, 01:36:11 PM
Congratulations to Alma's Josh Brehm on being named one of the 10 finalists for the Gagliardi DIII Award.    Excellent; I think he might have a very good chance at it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 22, 2006, 02:41:28 PM
HOPE  (no pun intended) you all have a Happy Thanksgiving Day tomorrow.  Those who are driving, have safe travels and eat lots of Turkey.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 22, 2006, 04:07:32 PM
formerd3db,

Sounds like Nick O. was in good hands with your medical staff as my personal experience can attest (back in 1999). 

Anyways, thats great news about his release/not being seriously hurt.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.  Go Lions?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2006, 06:27:47 PM
SaintsFAN:

Yes, that was good news.  Thanks friend and Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.  As far as the Lions, wouldn't it be the usual (historical) "irony" is Harrington has another big game and this time against his old teammates? ;D

jaybird:
I would like to ditto your comments in wishing you and everyone else here and on the other boards an enjoyable and safe Thanksgiving holiday.  Despite life's roadblocks from time to time, I think we all have a lot to be thankful for when it comes down to it.

P.S. Hope everyone is not a glutant and eat too much turkey and pumpkin pie! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 25, 2006, 06:24:09 PM
I hear that Adrian's new offensive coordinator will open up their offense a ton.  I'm talkin 4 and 5 wides every play.  Any truth to that anyone???  Also, what are your opinions on what the MIAA needs to do to get a team past the 1st round and finally get some respect?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 25, 2006, 06:59:06 PM
As far as MIAA future playoff success--someone's definitely going to have to do a better job non-conference as well as in-conference. (Hope's winless non-conference record was a contributing factor to the Flying Dutchmen's unfortunate playoff placement). Albion had the best non-conference record but had a down year otherwise.

Another MIAA team to watch out for next year is Tri-State. (How many more upsets will Coach Land have up his sleeve?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 25, 2006, 10:28:03 PM
I agree, Tri-State will be a team that will be competitive in every game.  They have a lot of young talent and a good coaching staff.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2006, 04:17:24 PM
Although we've discussed this to some extent earlier in the year, I agree.  The MIAA teams need to schedule upper tier non-conference teams to help prepare them for post-season play.  It takes a few years to improve one's level of play by doing this, but does work.  It did back in the late'70's just when the MIAA was beginning to be allowed to go to the playoffs; it helped in the mid-'80's to some extent as well - remembering, though, that the playoffs had only 8 spots then and in regards to that, comparatively, I believe the MIAA teams were better in talent to face some of those playoff teams than they are now.

Hope in long time past has played some DII teams as did Alma and Hope  has continued series with Wheaton, DePauw, and previously Wabash and at times DIAA teams, as does Albion.  With Alma scheduling DII teams and some teams such as Wittenburg as they have can't hurt.  Again, it does take a few years of continuously doing this to eventually see the results, but it needs to be done on a continual basis.

One of the potential challenges is the travel factor as many of the "nationally" ranked teams are a long distance away and schools like to (i.e. need to) attempt to keep travel costs down and as such usually like to only schedule on real long distance trip if that.  Also, playing DII and DIAA teams, while making it a great experience, doesn't actually help in the ratings for any teams that would qualify in the Pool C column, if that were to occur (i.e. example possibly is Deficance this year in the HCAC), although the majority of the time that won't be an issue as the AQ is present anyway for the title winner.  On the other hand, I think there are enough upper tier DIII teams in the 4 state region are that MIAA schools can schedule to accomplish the desired objective.
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on November 27, 2006, 06:08:22 AM
WLCALUM,

I see what you mean when you say Hope's non-conference 0-3 showing didn't help their playoff placement, but do you think a 3-0 record vs. non-conference opponents with a combined record of, say, 6-24 would have been a better thing?  The teams that Hope went 0-3 against finished something like 26-4, I believe.  Is the answer to schedule non-conference cupcakes and look good to the committee or to play the best and let the chips fall?  It would appear that Hope learned this year, that losses to good teams doesn't do much for you in the seeding.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 27, 2006, 06:58:16 AM
Tough call there, but I'd still err on the side of playing upper echelon (not necessarily ranked) teams.
Just for comparison, I looked at another playoff team (Concordia, WI) schedule and the only "strong" non-conference team on their schedule was North Central. (The Falcons' 2 other non-conference opponents--, Simpson and WLC--combined had only 3 wins all season).  Concordia also went undefeated in conference, but didn't break into the Top 25 until the final regular season poll.

Then there's the overall strength factor of each conference. From what little this poster has read, both Hope's and Concordia WI's conferences appear to have been weaker in terms of nationwide reputation, to this point, anyway.

In contrast, yearly power Hardin-Simmons of Texas, (for example) would be on the other side of the spectrum, scheduling toughies from week to week like UW-Whitewater  and  Linfield--play like gangbusters for the most part in- a tougher top-to-bottom conference (by nationwide reputation)  (with ranked Mary Hardin Baylor among others) and still though being ranked all season,  have a dogfight on their hands to get in the playoffs. In a case like that, all it can take is one loss at the wrong time, as that squad found out in 2005.

To a certain extent, 1) it can be a crapshoot and 2) the MIAA is trying to buck a deck that appears to be somewhat stacked against it, at least for now.

(The above is not intended to be a bash-knock on the MIAA or any other conference mentioned.)



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2006, 12:20:15 PM
"No bashing taken"!  A good analysis of the dilemma.  Personally, (as I was attempting to explain) I believe that it helps a team more by scheduling tough non-conference teams because it will, in the majority of cases, over time, make your own team better and prepared for that type of competition.  Yes, it didn't help Hope that much this year, however, it depends on the team build-up of a particular year and this was a rebuilding year for Hope.  Besides, if your conference has the AQ like the MIAA does, then it's not a problem if you you go 0-3 non-conference, you get the bid anyway.  To me, seeding doesn't really make a difference in that regard because 1) you still have to be good (or play a great game) to win a playoff game and advance and 2) the NCAA is going to try and match teams for the shortest travel distance as much as possible anyway, and even if, for example, if Hope had an 8-2 record this year, they still would have been paired with a very good team in the north region regardless of who it was.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on November 28, 2006, 09:44:38 PM
I agree with formerd3db that you should schedule decent--great teams in non conference play.  I think playing teams that are at or better than your current level, will get you prepared for the 7 week conference slate.
Ex. Augustana always plays challenging teams in non conf. UW Platteville, Central IA as does Wheaton scheduling Albion/Hope/ in 2008 Concordia WI etc.  whereas teams like Carthage/Elmhurst/North Park (up until recently) North Central etc. playing Benedictine/Concordia IL, Eureka.  The talent difference is immense when comparing these non conference slates.    There is a direct corrollation between the teams that have scheduled toughies winning the CCIW over those that have scheduled creampuffs and not winning the CCIW.  My point here is that I believe teams should schedule challenging teams in non conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: odacbballfan on December 01, 2006, 10:13:44 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 04, 2006, 07:12:51 AM
Don't forget to watch Taz Wallace in the Magnolia Classic (Blue-Grey Bowl) December 23rd.  He will be the only DIII player to compete in it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 05, 2006, 05:43:12 PM
Congratulations to Alma's Josh Brehm for making the Final Four as a Gagliardi Award candidate!

:) ;) :D :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on December 05, 2006, 06:54:18 PM
I was very happy to read about Brehm's placement on the final four list.  He was a phenomenal quarterback...lots of fun to watch during his career.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 05, 2006, 08:42:03 PM
Once again congrats to Josh Brehm on being named to the final 4...Great accomplishment!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2006, 05:06:13 PM
I join in with the others in congratulating Alma's Josh Brehm in being selected as a finalist for the Gagliardi Award.  I think he has a very good chance at winning the award. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2006, 05:28:58 PM
Pat reported elsewhere (NCAC?) that Brehm wasn't all-region only because he wasn't nominated - anyone know the story on his lack of nomination?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 08, 2006, 07:26:14 PM
That is the reason Brehm is not All-Region?  I thought it was once again a story of the MIAA getting snubbed.  However how do you not nominate a Gagliardi finalist???  I know I'm biased here but I do not agree with Taz Wallace being second team All-Region.  Granted the Bulldogs didn't have the season they wanted but he is still in the top three linebackers in the region if not in all of DIII.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 08, 2006, 08:07:52 PM
Easy reason for Broehm not being nominated is that their SID is really not very good at her job.  In talking with some Alma people she does little to nothing to promote players, they had the same thing happen with Josh Peters who if you remember was a 4 time all MIAA Player yet received little to no recogntion out of conference.  If they want their players to begin getting the recognition they deserve than they need a real SID.  I am also a bit biased but agree with the previous post by ACRulz about Taz Wallace.  The snubbin g he received for the second year in a row from the first team all region team blows my mind.  We are talking about a kid with 430+ tackles including another 130+ season this year.  Not to mention a ten tackel performance at the East Coast Bowl(IAA/II all star game) and the fact that as far as I know he is the only DIII player to be invited to the Magnolia bowl as well as having NFL teams looking at him to the tune of tapes being requested by the Chicago Bears.  Not to shabby for an LB who isnt even one of the best three in the reigon.  Enough cant be said about him, not on the field but off, you will also never meet a higher class person or better leader than Taz Wallace.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 12, 2006, 01:27:40 PM
Congratulations to Broehm for winning the Gagliardi Award. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2006, 05:02:36 PM
I second those props, 79jaybird!--it's a fitting end to a fine, fruitful career (a playoff game vs. Carthage in '04 and boatloads of new Alma school records set throughout--)  He sounds like a winner off the field as well.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on December 12, 2006, 06:12:40 PM
Congratulations to Josh Brehm for the Gagliardi win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2006, 06:19:43 PM
Indeed, congratulations to Alma's Brehm for winning the Gagliardi.  A great accomplishment and well-deserved, especially with his community service aspects.  It is nice recognition for him and, secondarily, the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 13, 2006, 01:15:23 AM
I would also like to give my congratulations to Josh Brehm.  Great Job!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 13, 2006, 11:36:56 AM
Just reading the front page article on Broehm shows that he must have been some talent to watch!  Wish I could have seen a few of his games.  Congrats again.  Any news/chances that he will go on to play somewhere and continue his playing?  (Europe, Arena, etc.)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on December 13, 2006, 08:00:53 PM
It was indeed a thrill to watch Brehm.  Countless times I was impressed by how cool-headed he stayed, even when things weren't going well for Alma as a whole.  Brehm is certainly deserving!  This has also been good PR for Alma and the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACfbfan on December 14, 2006, 11:53:44 AM
There was word a little while ago around here that Brehm was being looked at by the Jets and Raiders.  No news recently though.  I would think he would probably go the CFL route or maybe Arena.  I'll let you guys know if I hear anything here though (I work for Alma :))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2006, 04:25:04 PM
Quote from: ACfbfan on December 14, 2006, 11:53:44 AM
There was word a little while ago around here that Brehm was being looked at by the Jets and Raiders.  No news recently though.  I would think he would probably go the CFL route or maybe Arena.  I'll let you guys know if I hear anything here though (I work for Alma :))

Thanks; yes, please keep us posted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2006, 11:32:55 AM
Great photos of Alma's Josh Brehm and Head Coach Jim Cole at the Gagliardi Awards ceremony on this web's front page website (click on the appropriate area).  At least DIII has created its own atmosphere for the award like the DI Heisman. ;)  Also, some good photos of the teams practicing in Salem and the stadium.  Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 15, 2006, 02:19:52 PM
The Jets and Raiders must like MIAA football players.  Rumor is Taz Wallace is also being looked at by the Jets, Raiders and the Bears.  Also good luck to Taz Wallace who is leaving Sunday to participate in the Magnolia Classic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2006, 02:50:54 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on December 15, 2006, 02:19:52 PM
The Jets and Raiders must like MIAA football players.  Rumor is Taz Wallace is also being looked at by the Jets, Raiders and the Bears.  Also good luck to Taz Wallace who is leaving Sunday to participate in the Magnolia Classic.

Ditto in good luck wishes to Adrian's Taz Wallace in the Magnolia Classic and beyond.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hawk'ster on December 16, 2006, 11:00:06 PM
Adrian's Taz Wallace earned First Team All-American, nice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Preto on December 16, 2006, 11:06:57 PM
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2006, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: Preto on December 16, 2006, 11:06:57 PM
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.

Actually, I thought he was Third Team AA according to the local papers today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2006, 11:20:11 PM
Anyway, congrats to all of those MIAA honorees mentioned (Wallace, Brehm, Cline) - some well-deserved post-season awards.  BTW, a good interview replay today Brehm with Pat Coleman on the D3fb.com Stagg Bowl pre-game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on December 17, 2006, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 16, 2006, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: Preto on December 16, 2006, 11:06:57 PM
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.

Actually, I thought he was Third Team AA according to the local papers today.

Not according to the D3sports.com team (http://www.d3football.com/tow/06/allamericans.htm).  What AA team are you referring to?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2006, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: Bushop on December 17, 2006, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 16, 2006, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: Preto on December 16, 2006, 11:06:57 PM
Alma junior Joe Klein is a Honorable Mention AA at receiver.

Actually, I thought he was Third Team AA according to the local papers today.

Not according to the D3sports.com team (http://www.d3football.com/tow/06/allamericans.htm).  What AA team are you referring to?

According to the local paper, in an article from New York, it was the Associated Press Little All-America, and he was a thrid team selection.  The Little AA team is comprised of Division II and III players.  Alma's Brehm, despite winning the Gagliardi Trophy as the most outstanding player in DIII, was not on the AA Little AA team as DII quarterbacks were chosen.  GVSU's Finnerty was on one of those teams, and he was the runner-up for the Harlon Hill Trophy, awarded for the most outstanding player in DII.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 17, 2006, 02:06:12 PM
Yes, congrats to Brehm, Cline, and Wallace on their well deserved All-American honors.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 18, 2006, 09:39:54 AM
It looks like Ithaca High School is well represented on the All-American Teams (Brehm, Cline).  Maybe the rest of the MIAA should try to pry away some talent from that area.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 20, 2006, 05:03:19 PM
formerd3db,

you have mail.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bushop on December 20, 2006, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on December 17, 2006, 02:06:12 PM
Yes, congrats to Brehm, Cline, and Wallace on their well deserved All-American honors.

Which all-american list is Brehm (Alma) on?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 23, 2006, 12:57:38 PM
HOPE you all have a very merry Christmas and happy New Year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2006, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: 79jaybird on December 23, 2006, 12:57:38 PM
HOPE you all have a very merry Christmas and happy New Year.

Ditto the above. :)  For those traveling, be careful and safe journies.  I've enjoyed posting and the discussions with all of you this past year.  Wishing everyone all the best for 2007.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 24, 2006, 12:14:04 PM
D3DB - You got mail.

Pat what happened to the HCSC board, it is no longer showing up or i am going stupid...either is a strong possibility
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2006, 11:16:33 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 24, 2006, 12:14:04 PM
D3DB - You got mail.

Pat what happened to the HCSC board, it is no longer showing up or i am going stupid...either is a strong possibility

dc alum:  You have mail in return! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 30, 2006, 12:57:40 PM
Happy New Year to each and all.  Hope 2007 is prosperous for everybody.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 30, 2006, 01:24:58 PM
Ditto on jaybird's well-wishes for everyone.  BTW, not much activity going on here in our board, but I guess that might perhaps because the MIAA doesn't have any coaching vacancies or controversies going on right now! :)  Still, it will be great when we reach page 100 of posts!  At least we're now ahead of the HCAC guys, but only by default; no fault of theirs! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 31, 2006, 12:11:47 PM
formerd3db-  Now you are at 100 on the Karma!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2006, 02:25:40 PM
jaybird:
Hey, now what a nice way to start out the New Year.  My thanks to you and everyone and, more importantly, thanks for some great discussions.  BTW, you are getting up there now too!  No more in the negative!! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 08:27:53 PM
Happy New Year, All Posters!

This one's MIAA wish list for 2007:

1-- WLC wins at least one football game:
2-- Tri-State continues to improve:
3-- The MIAA playoff rep wins at least one playoff game:

:) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on January 02, 2007, 01:30:37 PM
I think WLC will start improving (records wise) once they move to the NAC after this year.  Hopefully they continue to improve. That is a pretty school up there in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2007, 05:30:31 PM
WLCALUM83:

I'd like to see those events occur too (except, obviously, no wins for WLC and Tri-State against Hope! ;D).  I think both will improve in time.  Personally, while I realize it is good and in the best interests for WLC to move to their new conference after the 2007 season, I will be sad to see them go.  They have made a fine contribution to the MIAA and certainly helped out when needed as far as the AQ was concerned.  I wish your alma mater all the best in their future program when they move.  Thanks also for your contributions to the MIAA board - you'll be missed after next year, although obviously, we'll have you and your colleagues around for at least one more season.  Hope your holidays were enjoyable.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2007, 05:34:14 PM
BTW, has anyone heard any further information about Tri-State's proposed new football stadium?  When we were down at the game there this fall, some of their student-athletes told me that they were actually going to improve Shive Field and build a domed facility.  If that is going to occur, that indeed would be impressive.  They should, though, at least put in the new synthetic turf as the field condition was not good.  Appreciate any follow-up info any of you might have - thanks. (I suppose I could check their website, but haven't as yet ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 03, 2007, 10:06:45 PM
Speaking of new turf.
Albion would be served well to upgrade to synthetic grass.
With the number of grads, and success the school traditionally has in Football I would think they could raise the cash.

Our senior year in HS our school built a new field and it had Turf Grass like Ford Field. it was great. Soft and fast, no real turf burns like the CARPET in the Pontiac Silverdome. Talk about a brick and turf burns!

FB, Soccer, Lacrosse all utilized the field as well as the track being built around it from track and field.

Though I did miss the mud and snow, that really made it feel like playoff football. Since we were a power run team the muddy fields and slow high grass always helped us.

Changed the style of play and players for Soccer as it became a fast field and out of bounds became an issue even with the full size field now being available. Ball just rolled more.

My number one wish for the MIAA is a playoff win maybe ven two just to be greedy.


Happy New Year folks
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2007, 04:16:26 PM
D306:

I'm wondering, too, when the remaining MIAA schools might install the synthetic turf fields (Field Turf, AstroPlay) now that Alma, Olivet and Adrian have them.  While I agree that "good old grass" is neat for football from a "traditional standpoint", I admit that I like the new synthetic turfs.  As you point out for both of these, no (or rarely if any) "carpet burns" and a big advantage for multiple team sports usage (and less maintainance).  Cost of the turf and its installment probably would not be as much for Hope, Albion (and perhaps Tri-State) as it would be for Kazoo, since those others schools have stadiums in place requiring less renovation/improvements for the field than Angell Field (maybe ???).  Now, all they need to do is get some rich alumni (or one individual very rich alum ;D) to donate for the projects, and they'll be all set! ;)  It will be interesting to see if any of this occurs in the next couple of years or so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 05, 2007, 08:27:33 PM
D3DB

I agree with some of the numerous successfull grads from the MIAA, and a little pledge and fund raising I would think they all could get the monies.

Would help in the recruitment of players also.
Many of the HS have "turf" in the newer suburbs and cities. Some kids may think their HS fields were nicer than the Colleges at this point.

I like the traditions in many of the MIAA stadiums, so you must be carefull to keep that traditional feel and look, if these are updated to "turf"
The great and long history of some of the MIAA colleges is something to be proud of, nourished , and preserved.

Do not to ruin a stadium like the "spaceship" that landed on Soldier field in Chicago. Spoiled a legendary stadium with that mess.

Miss college football already, only the OSU trouncing of Florida left.
Pro football does not have the same feel to me, not sure why I think it is the "showboating" and self promotion of to many players and advertisements.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 05, 2007, 11:28:54 PM
D306:
I couldn't agree with you more.  Indeed, the remaining MIAA stadiums i.e. Albion and Kazoo (with the exception being Hope's Holland Munincipal Stadium and WLC and Tri-State since they are all newer) have a that great old traditional feeling and basically being on the original fields.  Keeping that "atmosphere" is a good aspect and important (at least it is to me! ;D) and I think Olivet accomplished this by keeping their stadium renovation on their original field of over 100 years.  That being said, we can't really put Adrian's beautiful new stadium or the others in that category (except perhaps Alma since theirs remained on part of their old 1929 field, albeit switching positions a bit with the then baseball field), but these new ones are in a somewhat different light.  Holland Munincipal has a great "semi-bowl-like" setting and is a more modern style; Adrian's while very modern is similar, yet what makes the latter's attractive is it's return to an "on campus" stadium.   I think that was very important for the Adrian students although the college certainly shared a very good relationship with the high school and its community over the recent decades when at Maple Stadium (which is a neat stadium itself).  Overall, if Hope, Kazoo and Tri-State put in turf, it will make those fields/stadiums even more attractive.

I also think you hit on an additional important point.  Since many of the high schools have now put in wonderful, expensive modern stadiums with state-of-the art facilities, and the turfs, indeed the small colleges have to upgrade their stadiums to be able to attract student-athletes for football (and the other sports that use their stadiums).  It doesn't look good to a propective recruit to come to a college, even if it is a small college, when their own high school stadium is light years ahead of the college's.  That is one aspect (although among other aspects) that was a hinderance to Olivet for a long time.  Paticularly, in this era, when it is becoming more difficult to recruit due to costs and competition from the DII schools in the state, this is one area the small schools i.e. MIAA schools need to keep up on.  Zeeland's newest and 2nd h.s. Zeeland West built a beautiful facilitity, bricked stadium, brick and iron fencing around the field giving it that "old style feeling" and, of course, the new turf.  Kind of makes Holland Munincipal feel even more behind the times perhaps, although obviously not entirely.

Anyway, as we've discussed, it will be interesting to see what happens, although again, I think it might be another year or so at least before considerations for this become "real"??!!!  On the other hand, maybe the process will start moving faster.  Thanks for your input and opinions.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on January 07, 2007, 09:01:27 PM
What's new with Olivet?  Any Comets that could give me an update.  I have a feeling Olivet is going to be real strong in 2007.  They sure showed me a lot of spunk when we played them last year.  I think if you were to take away those two costly turnovers that led to 14 points early,  I think the Comets stood a good shot at beating us.  I remember they were mostly Sophs/Juniors too, which makes me think they are going to be pretty strong this Fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 08, 2007, 01:02:18 AM
Witt has them online for next season as well.

Think they are a very dangerous team.  If they had/have a player like Almas Brehm they could be North Region contenders given their offensive philosophy and evolution.

Several of the games they lost last season scared the heavily favored opponents right down to the last whistle.

Wont go into the whole coaching carousel and the xs and os of two major systems being hybrid at Olivet, but lets just say there are some peculair talents and developed skills lurking that could lead to what might be viewed in the early season as upsets.

Their coach is very experienced and proud.  The next few years could help to put them on the map.  The windows brief as players with skills from the former regime will turn over within the next two to three years, but if this thing gets on track they could be the next real contender from the MIAA.

signed,
sixkiller and lujack
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2007, 06:16:30 PM
Thanks, formerd3db. 

I didn't think they had to do much in there, but doctor called me on Saturday.  My labrum was detached, rotator cuff was torn and the bicep was detached.  In addition to all that, they had to shave down the humerus and another bone in there so the rotator cuff didn't get roughed up again.   I'm sure I'll be glad I had all that done, but this is the most pain I've been in. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2007, 06:24:33 PM
SaintsFAN:
You are welcome.  See my reply post to you on the HCAC board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on January 09, 2007, 10:19:42 AM
"my labrum was detached, rotator cuff was torn, and the bicep was detached..."
SaintsFan,  your nickname is not Lucky is it?  ;)  Sorry I couldn't pass that one up!
Hopefully you return to full health soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2007, 08:36:02 PM
Thanks, Jay...  no it definitely isn't.

The injuries came from repetitive motion...ie throwing.  Insurance took their time to approve the surgery so as a result of the wait the bicep injury occured. 

I'm just glad we found all of it...

formerd3db

check the front page and HCAC page.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 21, 2007, 12:10:35 AM
It sure is quite on this board!  I guess most of you are concentrating on the BB season and upcoming spring sports in our MIAA ;)  Not much apparently going on in the MIAA football world it appears!  At this rate, our friends on the HCAC board are going to surpass us quickly in postings, despite them having to start all over again with the mysterious loss of post countings!! ;D  I guess I should include myself in this since I've not posted much here either (at least not much about any MIAA fb info in all honesty! :-[).  Anyway, if you have any news about what's going on at your MIAA school fbwise, let us know!  Thanks my friends.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cowman on January 23, 2007, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: mjfasteenwolf on January 23, 2007, 12:22:40 AM

Two side notes, was anybody as surprised as I was to see Kirk Cousins was offered a scholarship to play QB at MSU, I mean I know they're dissapointed about losing Nichol but is Cousins really a Big Ten talent. Would love to hear more on that from somebody who knows more about him.


Ask someone from Zeeland West ..... 55 - 21
To me, it seems like Cousins and Josh Rooks  (Northwestern) would have had wonderful careers at a place lke Hope instead of sitting the bench or getting their heads kicked in while in the Big Ten. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 06:25:05 AM
Quote from: Cowman on January 23, 2007, 12:44:09 AM
Quote from: mjfasteenwolf on January 23, 2007, 12:22:40 AM

Two side notes, was anybody as surprised as I was to see Kirk Cousins was offered a scholarship to play QB at MSU, I mean I know they're dissapointed about losing Nichol but is Cousins really a Big Ten talent. Would love to hear more on that from somebody who knows more about him.


Ask someone from Zeeland West ..... 55 - 21
To me, it seems like Cousins and Josh Rooks  (Northwestern) would have had wonderful careers at a place lke Hope instead of sitting the bench or getting their heads kicked in while in the Big Ten. 

It might not be so much that particular player alone as Michigan State appears to be re-loading across the board (what with getting rid of Coach Smith, and QB Stanton graduating and all). Just my .02.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 23, 2007, 12:26:51 PM
Long time since I posted.

What does everyone think of a D3 player, transfering to D1.
Especially a team like MSU whom was mentioned above.
MSU is having a whole sale change of Coachs and hopefully attitude.
I would think some solid Sophomore or Junior could catch some eyes in East Lansing.
Especially someone whom may have been hurt or has grown alot after HS and was overlooked or thought of as injuried during their Recruitment ages of 17 and 18.

I have seen several of the MSU Freshman, and Sophomores play, and some of the D3 players in the MIAA could compete, if not outproduce.
I know many of the decsions are based not only on skills but opportunities and or recognition. It is the number of kids of quality skill that the D1 schools have that makes to difference.

It is a big jump in time committment for a D3 player with the travel, and sheer speed of the league. I think that is the biggest change is the speed and size that the skill players have. The lineman are huge and fast, that you cannot coach or train yourself to be fast, you either are fast or you are not.

Tough call for the SB I think Indy wins, but I like Rex he has been taking a lot of S#%* and would love to see him pull it out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on January 23, 2007, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 05, 2007, 11:28:54 PM
D306:
I couldn't agree with you more.  Indeed, the remaining MIAA stadiums i.e. Albion and Kazoo (with the exception being Hope's Holland Munincipal Stadium and WLC and Tri-State since they are all newer) have a that great old traditional feeling and basically being on the original fields.  Keeping that "atmosphere" is a good aspect and important (at least it is to me! ;D) and I think Olivet accomplished this by keeping their stadium renovation on their original field of over 100 years.  That being said, we can't really put Adrian's beautiful new stadium or the others in that category (except perhaps Alma since theirs remained on part of their old 1929 field, albeit switching positions a bit with the then baseball field), but these new ones are in a somewhat different light.  Holland Munincipal has a great "semi-bowl-like" setting and is a more modern style; Adrian's while very modern is similar, yet what makes the latter's attractive is it's return to an "on campus" stadium.   I think that was very important for the Adrian students although the college certainly shared a very good relationship with the high school and its community over the recent decades when at Maple Stadium (which is a neat stadium itself).  Overall, if Hope, Kazoo and Tri-State put in turf, it will make those fields/stadiums even more attractive.

I also think you hit on an additional important point.  Since many of the high schools have now put in wonderful, expensive modern stadiums with state-of-the art facilities, and the turfs, indeed the small colleges have to upgrade their stadiums to be able to attract student-athletes for football (and the other sports that use their stadiums).  It doesn't look good to a propective recruit to come to a college, even if it is a small college, when their own high school stadium is light years ahead of the college's.  That is one aspect (although among other aspects) that was a hinderance to Olivet for a long time.  Paticularly, in this era, when it is becoming more difficult to recruit due to costs and competition from the DII schools in the state, this is one area the small schools i.e. MIAA schools need to keep up on.  Zeeland's newest and 2nd h.s. Zeeland West built a beautiful facilitity, bricked stadium, brick and iron fencing around the field giving it that "old style feeling" and, of course, the new turf.  Kind of makes Holland Munincipal feel even more behind the times perhaps, although obviously not entirely.

Anyway, as we've discussed, it will be interesting to see what happens, although again, I think it might be another year or so at least before considerations for this become "real"??!!!  On the other hand, maybe the process will start moving faster.  Thanks for your input and opinions.   


Adrian's new stadium is definitely one of the better in D III but you are right, it did sacrifice some of the tradition of playing at Maple Stadium.  I played at The Mape myself, one part of the tradition I will not miss is the Yellow Bus ride to the stadium and meeting in the elementary school at halftime.  On the whole I think it is a good thing that so many schools are upgrading their facilities.  As a conference I think we need this to compete with other leagues that have great complexes.  Albion's is not bad and Hope's is right there also with the exception of being a bit antiquated, in my opinion.  Hope College, the dressing in the swimming pool locker rooms has to go, $20 million+ for a basketball arena but the football facilities???  Anyway it would be nice if all fields had turf at the very least, which is still an expensive project.  But you are right hopefully this process will start moving faster.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 30, 2007, 03:06:28 PM
Anybody do any looking into the depth charts around the MIAA?
Whom looks strong next year?
I have not yet, but will star checking the returning talent, and possibly any transfers out of the MIAA.
Moneys tight so I expect several MIAA kids are heading to Public Universities this winter and Fall semesters.

RE: Superbowl my heart says DA' Bears, my head says the Colts.
I hope it is at least a game, so many SB are flat out blowouts.

27-24 DA Bears since I have to go with my Heart and there is no money here to lose.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2007, 08:41:49 AM
Seeing as us Wisconsin natives are due to go into a deep freeze weather-wise, thought I'd pass this along:

(Pre-historic comic strip B. C.)

1st slide:  B. C:  "Hello, Operator??"

                Operator:  Yes??

                B. C. "Could you give me the area code for the North Pole?"

2nd slide:  Operator:  "One moment, please, while I look that up."

3rd (and last) slide:  Operator:  "It's n-n-n-nine  f-f-f-five  t-t-t-two."

   Ba dumm bumm! :-X :o :-X :o :-X :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on February 02, 2007, 10:29:48 AM
I hear that Adrian has lost out on the Schneider kid from Addison.  I guess he is going to Ferris State for the pharmacy program.  Also I hear they may be landing the Dameron kid from Ann Arbor Pioneer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 17, 2007, 04:34:57 PM
I was on Tri State's website today looking for some information on some of their basketball players, and stumbled upon some of their campus improvement plans, including their new domed football facility.  It looks like it's going to be a pretty nice setup, although there are no sketches of the inside of the building.  That being said, I'm still not convinced an indoor facility is necessary, ideal, or even desirable, and if it were my school, I'd have a lot of questions that would need to be answered.  Regardless of my personal reservations, it is good to see Tri State upgrade its facilities--the old stadium really lacked character.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2007, 09:38:51 PM
bulldogalum:

I actually heard about that new facility when we were at Tri-State for the Hope football game.  I talked with several current athletes there who related the plans to me.  While this will certainly be a "new innovation" for the league, an indoor facility is not a bad idea.  Obviously, there are pros/cons to this.  First, Northern Michigan has had one for years (as has Syracuse) and definitley in the bad weather extremes (rain, snow, cold), this will be an advantage.  The field at the Hope game there this year was a mess regarding the turf, sidelines etc.  In this era, the new synthetic turfs are here to stay and TSU will obviously be upgrading and joining the likes of Adrian, Olivet and Hope.  Admittedly, the traditionalists of football natural fields will not care for this, however, the advantages of synthetic turf for a smaller school such as Tri-State, Alma, Adrian, Olivet, etc. are numrous as many of us have discussed this here (and others on the other boards) many times in the past.  IMO, Hope needs to advance to that as well for their stadium (natural turf has always been a problem there), although that is slightly more of a challenge since the stadium is under the city's administration.  But even the new Zeeland West has a nicer field and stadium that Hope/Holland does now in some of those aspects.  (Albion's neat Sprankle-Sprandel Stadium with its Morley Fraser Field would be greatly enhanced and be "awesome" if synthetic turf was put in).

Getting back to Tri-State, they will also be using this for lacrosse, which like at Adrian, will be a full varisty sport there for both men and women next year.  Although outdoor lacrosse, like football is a very exciting atmosphere, the indoor lacrosse game is great as well.  A school like Tri-State (actually for that matter all the MIAA and even the smallest DIII schools like Eureka, etc.) have to "keep up with the Joneses (sp? ??? ;D)" if they want to continue to attract good student-athletes and thereby also support and further solidify and build-up the school (Adrian is doing that in their own way as you well know).  It is a competitive world out there for the small schools in regards to attracting and retaining students, especially with the high cost of a small private four year liberal arts college or university.  They have to do it, or fall behind.

Overall, I like the concept of the domed stadium and I think it will be good for Tri-State.  On the other hand, I will admit, I'm glad some of the schools will be keeping their traditional outdoor stadiums albeit with new synthetic turf.  Now, if we could only get Kazoo to put the latter in at Angell Stadium/Field! :D ;D.
What do some of your other colleagues think about this Tri-State plan?

BTW, I was also glad to see Tri-State preserving their remaining historic college structures.  You and I talked about that re: Adrian (and of course, Hope, Olivet and Albion).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 18, 2007, 12:05:22 PM
Formerd3db:

Yeah, I sort of agree with the indoor facility from a weather perspective, although I'd be willing to bet that Marquette and Syracuse get significantly higher snowfall each year, with more potential for early season storms, than does Angola.  Still, it'll be nice to know that games there in the end of October will be every bit as nice as games in September. 

It's a shame to see all the demise of the natural field surface--I always enjoy watching a mud bowl type game--but this field turf is so realistic, and such a better and more consistent surface, that it's much more practical for schools to spend a big chunk of money once rather than small chunks of money each year.

I agree that field turf at Albion would do a lot to help the allure of that facility, but of course, I wouldn't want to give Albion any ideas on how to steal more of Hope's and Adrian's recruits, now would I? ;)  They have a fantastic facility, it's only a shame that whenever I walked onto the field last season, I sunk down at least 4 or 5 inches in the mud.  That's the problem with building a stadium so close to the river, I guess.

As for Lacrosse, Adrian and Tri State will have full varsity programs.  Hope has a strong club program going, I would have to imagine that the rest of the league can't be far behind.  This has the looks of a budding league sport.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 18, 2007, 02:55:57 PM
bulldogalum:

Yes, that's right - we wouldn't want Adrian or Hope's advantages to be lessened!

Although this is the fb board, I will just mention that Calvin has perhaps the best lacrosse team in the MIAA right now (they are also club status).  They went to the CCLA regional tournatment last year (winner of the MIAA usually skips the MIAA season ending tournament to go to the CCLA regional) and went on to the national collegiate club lacrosse national championships administrated by the U.S. Lacrosse Association last year in Dallas (U of Mich and MSU are also in the CCLA with the MIAA teams although in Section A).

Albion has a good lax team as does Alma, however, right now I would say that for this season Calvin, Hope and Adrian are the initial pre-season teams to beat.  Hope scrimmaged Calvin last week and the latter is picking up right where they left off.  I believe that Tri-State is not fielding a team until next spring in 2008, but it will be varsity along with Adrian.  Hopefully, Olivet and Kazoo will follow and that all the MIAA teams will be elevated to "varisity status".  Right now, the only difference is that the teams only receive minimal amount of financial assistance from their respective colleges while having to raise the remainder of funding themselves and counting on donations as well.  The teams, however, are still under the auspices of the college.  Both U of Mich and MSU are run the same way, although it is my understanding that both are lobbying hard for eleveation to varisity status (MSU used to be up until the early '90's - title IX had much to do with it).  Some of the MIAA schools have women's teams as well and personally, I see both men's and women's lax as becoming varisty sports in the next 2-3 years - and hopefully sooner).

One last aspect: the NCAA Lax Championships all divisions DI, DII and DIII were all held at the NFL's Eagles stadium in Philadelphia last Memorial Weekend.  The attendance for the DIII game was >25,000 and 51,000 for the DI game.  Likewise, the collegiate club U.S. Lax championships had very good crowds down in Dallas last spring it is my understanding.  So we'll see what goes for this year.  Hope's non-conference games are vs. DII schools (and we may have a game lined up against a DI and certainly for next year).  Anyway, sorry for the lax "pitch" here on the fb board.  I'll keep these on the lax board in the future.  Let's have some of you MIAA posters contribute over there at your convenience - check DIII independents/club programs category.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 19, 2007, 05:56:10 PM
formerd3db,

Did you get a chance to see Olivet play last season?  See they have returning offensive playmakers at receiver, tight end and running back; not to mention two offensive linemen that garnered some all MIAA accolades.

Could save the defensive discussion for later, am most interested in the freshman, soon to be sophomore running back, Clasgens.  Not phenomenal numbers, but pretty decent yards per rush.  An apparent double wing set up of sorts looking at the numbers of the next two leading rushers making for nearly 1200 yards rushing amongst the top three with a near even split after the leader, though numbers do not always tell the whole story.

Do we have any youtube on these guys? 

Have not looked for the stats on returning quarterbacks, but assuming Livedotti has returned to his ways of a spread. Expecting the quarterback must be more than capable to make it click.  The fact the tight end garnered such attention indicates an ability to formation people.

Felt Alma had the distinct disadvantage of playing at Witt, could be a dangerous and unassuming MIAA run for the Tigers considering Olivet beat Alma last year.  Guess no win is discounted, but Alma gets the homefield and Olivet might be a more capable road team.

Always nice to get a win over a team with a Gagliardi, but things always seem to work in cycles, and maybe the MIAA dropped back and burned the fields to come back even stronger with regards to gleaning talent.  Felt the same was true for the NCAC and saw some perennial bottom dwellers rise due not only to gleaning higher standards at the top, but enhanced ability on their part as recruits were able to envision winning against the big boys.   The leagues were down last year and remember the MIAA being torn a new one by the press, but an individual honor of such esteem as the Gagliardi for a conference team surely will enhance the conference recruiting and team efforts. Russian battle tactic or Redwood ecology, one or the other.

In Pigskin,
Billy Jack Haynes the Wildman from Oregon
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2007, 09:58:17 PM
MacLeod:

Yes, I did see Olivet against us (Hope) last year.  They gave us a tough game and could almost have won it.  However, Hope was on a roll then with improved play, intensity and attitude.  Anyway, I agree with you in that I think Olivet will be a dangerous team this fall and IMO, just might be among the top contenders for the title, with some of the returners as you mentioned.  They were sort of a "Jeckle and Hyde" team this past season.

The NCAC and MIAA "bottom feeders" as somewhat similar I think in that they have started a trend of improvement and while they will never be the yearly "powers" in the league that the others have been, it is nice to see them improving.  Remember Olivet was and 8-2 team just a couple of years ago and came within a game of the title and NCAA bid.  Lividotti in this second time around as HC appears to have maintained a solid base from his co-year administration with Siegler.  Only time will tell and I think this season for them will be a key one with regard to the program direction.

As far as the remainder of the MIAA, we've all had the discussion in the past about what the teams need to do to attain the "next level" i.e. advancing in the NCAA playoffs.  The problems with competing in recruiting with all the DII schools, of course, has played a part in this in recent years, yet with the student-athletes these schools do get, there is no reason why they can't progress.  Again, as I've said before, I believe the key is playing tougher non-conference opponents on a regular basis, even if it means losing some games.  Heck, way back in my day, we did that and I truly believe it helped, even though the playoffs were not an option during some of those years.  Anyway, thanks for your assesment and input.  Hopefully, some of our colleagues will post more here in this off-season - we've got to try and keep up with the other boards! ;) ::)

Signed,
"Pudge" Angell, Alma College

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 20, 2007, 03:53:51 PM
D3DB

Interesting topic regarding talent level in DIII.
I personally know several MIAA players whom had DII offers and preffered walk on status at DI schools.
These players elected to attend a DIII school(s) in the MIAA due to the superior education, and size of the colleges.

The sheer number of Higher Level, talented players, the time spent, and University resources applied is the diference between DII and DIII.

DII has a roster of partial scholarship players, and students that feel FB is the man driver for them in college. The DIII players have a range of skills, some are highly talented players whom have chosen to focus more on the educational aspects.

I guess I should clarify the statement regarding DII players, I am not trying to disparage anyone, many do not have the financial resources to make the choice of DIII premier schools. They may have chosen a DII school for numerous other reasons, IE: socially the  larger size has its advantages.

A Hillsdale education is a superior education and a DII university, were a player can still get some assistance to play FB.

In my thought pattern most premier DIII colleges offer a far superior education than most of the DII colleges I am aware of in the geographic area served by MIAA specifically.

Let's face it, the vast majority of these Student Athletes are not going to play FB after college, why would anyone let that be your sole deciding factor for your educational opprotunities?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on February 20, 2007, 11:13:39 PM
Perhaps it would be wise to "tread lightly" on the DIII is a superior education generality.  For example, Ferris State has an outstanding pharmacy program if I'm not mistaken and Grand Valley, an excellent education program.  Can you get these educational programs at a DIII school?  Education? Yes.  Pharmacy? Not to my knowledge. 

My point is, I don't know if it's fair to generalize that anyone who went DII did so because they didn't care about (or couldn't afford) a good education.

Not trying to light you up, here, but even after your clarification, I think you're missing the reason some kids go to DII schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 21, 2007, 07:17:57 AM
D3DL


I concur with your comments a little general of a comment on my part.

I guess I should make a more specific comment. 1 point at a time.
The first comment I would like to clarify in more detail.
I believe that to many young men, get enamored with the DII level opportunity, to play FB.
I did not say or mean to infer, that student athletes that elect to attend DII schools are making a poor decision.
I am saying to many young men, let the offer of FB partial payments cloud their decision.



Good topic a little bug and diverse to detail, in a quick post.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on February 21, 2007, 05:18:26 PM
I get your point, and in that sense, I agree.  Some kids head off to places they have never heard of because "they offered me a scholarship!"  Not the #1 reason to pick a college!  I get you now!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: d3dl on February 20, 2007, 11:13:39 PM
Perhaps it would be wise to "tread lightly" on the DIII is a superior education generality.  For example, Ferris State has an outstanding pharmacy program if I'm not mistaken and Grand Valley, an excellent education program.  Can you get these educational programs at a DIII school?  Education? Yes.  Pharmacy? Not to my knowledge. 

My point is, I don't know if it's fair to generalize that anyone who went DII did so because they didn't care about (or couldn't afford) a good education.

Not trying to light you up, here, but even after your clarification, I think you're missing the reason some kids go to DII schools.

Wilkes University has a top-notch pharmacy program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on February 28, 2007, 07:35:25 AM
Ohio Northern has a pharmacy program as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on February 28, 2007, 08:20:28 AM
Okay, guys, I think we're missing my point, here.  Unless of course, your position is that DIII is inherently better than DII.  All I was trying to say was that some kids actually choose a DII school with education in mind.  I have to think that the majority of those kids know the odds of them ever making a living playing football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:23:20 AM
Six Killed in Bluffton baseball bus crash... this is just awful.   Our thoughts and prayers to all in the Bluffton Family:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6522208
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2007, 09:10:06 PM
Yes, what a horrible tragedy.  We don't know why the Good Lord's plan involves this; nonetheless, the Bluffton players and their families and the Bluffton University community will be in my thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: INQBScout on March 03, 2007, 09:33:54 AM
QuoteIn my thought pattern most premier DIII colleges offer a far superior education than most of the DII colleges I am aware of in the geographic area served by MIAA specifically.

Let's face it, the vast majority of these Student Athletes are not going to play FB after college, why would anyone let that be your sole deciding factor for your educational opprotunities?

Interesting topic. Good points brought out on both sides. Bottom line is this IS generalizing, but I think DIII schools overall represent better academic institutions. Diplomas from DIII schools, I think, carry more weight in the job market (academic rigor, alumni network,etc.). I think it also gets down to liberal arts vs. traditional schools. While a DIII school may not have a pharmacy program or medical school and/or program, they certainly do produce doctors and nurses, etc.

I tend to agree with the "if you can't (or don't want to) go DI, DIII is the way to go". Although the D II route is obviously a great fit---for college and later in life----for many, many kids.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 04, 2007, 08:46:21 PM
The more details we hear about the Bluffton accident the worse this becomes.

What a blow to a fine college and it's families and friends.

Sometimes it amazes me that more accidents/imjuries do not occur.
Long bus rides, no seat belts on these big monsters.
Always thought it strange when I have taken the long trips via bus for games or travel/work kinda scary. Especially overseas, tough roads and small streets extreme traffic jams on the roads.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 04, 2007, 08:51:46 PM
Any news on good recruits or JV players/freshman and soph.  moving up that will make an impact?

That is the exciting thing about college and high school Football teams can make a big change from year to year.

Though coaching and quality programs never stray from being quality programs. The difference comes when you get a group of great athletes that play as a team. Then the chance for a deep playoff run comes.

Look at Mount Union, great coaching and a tradition of winning, just keeps the quality athletes coming to a well run program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Brits39 on March 14, 2007, 07:53:40 PM
Hey I havent been keeping track of everything this year and was wondering how recruiting was going for each school and how each school looks for next year any info would be great since Im coaching up in Minn. and get very little news about stuff from back home
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 15, 2007, 09:09:30 PM
Quote from: Brits39 on March 14, 2007, 07:53:40 PM
Hey I havent been keeping track of everything this year and was wondering how recruiting was going for each school and how each school looks for next year any info would be great since Im coaching up in Minn. and get very little news about stuff from back home

I haven't had the opportunity to talk with coaching staff(s) that I know as yet; nor have I heard from others about the "general" recruiting to date.  Hopefully will have the chance to do so in the near future.  For conversation's sake, as we all know, however, that aside from general numbers, no one really knows how the recruiting classes shape up at the DIII level until seeing who actually shows up at the start of pre-season camp in August.

BTW, welcome to our MIAA board, Brits39.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 18, 2007, 07:12:32 PM
Has been brought to my attention that I misspelled Coach Lividotti's name in an earlier post.  As I have confused Olivet Nazarene with Olivet College in the past should not be considered a slight. 

On that note, expect Olivet will give the Tigers everything they have in the fall, so as to not let their alma mater or coach go unknown.

Should be a nice changeup this fall with many MIAA teams facing NCAC schools, expecially considering the victory chain that went through the Pioneer League via the NCAC and the MIAA.

signed,
the Wild Man from Oregon
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 24, 2007, 08:35:47 PM
Heaqr from a couple players that Spring Ball has been busy.

Turnout has been good.
I hope this means some improved play and a better showing out of league, and in the playoffs.

It all starts with conditioning and commitment.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 25, 2007, 11:15:18 AM
My karma has been runover once again by dogma.  At risk of forever being tragically misunderstood, should think my karma is nein. 

They don't score they don't win.  Get your hand raised?  Howbout a safety? 

The Scotgun probably has a pistol to go with that shotgun, as expecting the MIAA is pinning those ears back.  With two of the three returning rushers back and the leader being a graduated Gagliardi title holder, the Scotgun might benefit from getting both the junior running backs involved at the same time in the same formation.  Take some of the rushing pressure off the new gunslinger at the helm.

And without further ado, as the Jayhawks went silently into the night of March Madness a further tribute in my tagline to those who also exited the tournament of 65.

signed,
Frankenberry, Igor and Eyegore
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 27, 2007, 12:54:37 PM
So what is everybody's thought on out of conference FB.
Is the MIAA going to show a little better?

A glance at the 2007 schedules that are posted show many games at home this year.
Especially for the traditionally stronger teams in the MIAA.

I know its early but, any FB talk is good FB talk.

I am certainly looking for an improvement, from the MIAA.

I think Olivet, and Hope should return strong again.
Hope question is how to make up the yardage and strong running of Booko?
Can young QB carry the play without Booko?

Olivet is returning many of the starters for last years strong run.
Need to see consistency from Olivet. Could take the league in 2007.

Adrian confuses me, I expected more last year.
The new energy and momentum of the stadium and emphasis on FB should pay dividends this year.

Albion is a wait and see, in QB, lost several very good players on the DL. and WR.
Have some talent returning on WR with last years injuries giving some quality PT to some of the younger players. RB should be strong and deep no HUGE move the pile runner but several quick and tough runners.
Should have a fight for QB with Senior QB's in house and some talented Sophomores coming up.
Defensive backfield will be key. OL is a strength with talent and depth.

Tri State I expect to continue the growth and win more games this year.
Big improvements and energy last year.
Good size team, and have a attitude that I think they are tired of being down.

Alma lost a great QB.
The Alma system makes the QB key and the line play better be good or new QB will be learning on the run.
Need to tighten up on D, can not outscore everybody every week.

Wisky and Kazoo need numbers and some more focus from the University to fire up the programs.
Kazoo number of players look low.


Well there is my admittedly not expert review of what I remember from watching games last year.
Lets hear some thoughts of the upcoming season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 28, 2007, 07:55:57 PM
Noticed WLC replaced Valpo with Aurora IL and Kzoo gets Valpo.

At this extremely early stage--on paper, anyway--the "statement games" appear to be WLC/Concordia-WI,  ??? Alma/Wittenberg, and MIAA/Wheaton matchups.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 28, 2007, 09:26:35 PM
83

I like to see the tough schedule.
Can not get better if you do not challenge yourself.

Albion has a tough non conference with Wheaton and Theil after a trip to Butler to open the season.
Have not seen all the teams schedules but a few in the conference have Wheaton on the schedule, that is a good tough team.

Is WLC moving to another Conference in the future?
Or have I mistakenly  heard that, can not remember when I heard that sometime last season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 28, 2007, 09:40:19 PM
Yes, after the 2007 season WLC's football team will join the Northern Athletics Conference (Aurora, Benedictine of IL, Concordia-WI, Concordia-Chicago, Lakeland,  Rockford and Maranatha Baptist will also be in that conference.) That conference has been in existence for nearly a year in virtually all other sports.

Regardless of how WLC football does this season, I'll remember the '03 season in which the Warriors went 3-3 in-conference and 5-5 overall as its' best.

Most unpredictable WLC rivalry games:  any with Adrian, hands down.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 28, 2007, 11:31:32 PM
Good to be back on the board and posting, Ill be here full time from now on.  For those of you who knew me as a coach at Adrian, im longer in that capacity.  As such with some nice inside info on all teams, I'll now offer my thoughts on the league.

Adrian -  Things look they could be a bit iffy at Adrian.  They lost lots of very good players from last years team, most notably on defense.  The loss of Taz Wallace will hurt, but more so will the loss of AJ Marry who was as good an LB as their was in the league and was the yin to Taz's Yang.  Also lost is their best DL, with their best pass rush DE leaving school as well as their starting FS graduating.  Returning are some good players in Brandon Mohney and Aaron Kieltyka.  The offense is full of question marks, losing two OL from a weak unit, their QB, most consistent WR, TE, RB and offensive coordinator.  From what Ive seen of the new O, its a bit gimmicky, but time will tell.  SPecial teams also took a hit losing the all league kicker and best avg per punt punter.   

Albion -  A rock solid program that has gone through some ups and downs this year.  They did lose some talent on defense, but still have some waiting in the wings.  Their QB will have a year under his belt and returns 4 of 5 starters up front from a very good unit which will do nothing but help.  A strong commitment to the running game and sound defense also keep this team at the top of the league every year, you cant count them out.  Everyone has speculated about Rundles future, but I cant see him leaving, I expect a much better year than last out of Albion.

Alma - Loss of Broehm is huge, hard to replace a QB like him in DIII football.  Coach Cole knows what he is doing as does Leister and with the return of two very good RB's I wouldnt be suprised to see a stronger commitment to running from the spread.  On the other hand I cant recall the last time that Alma struggled with the QB, from Slowke to Broehm, Im sure they will have someone ready to go.  The defense was a much maligned unit last year, but that was also a bit of an anomaly, Alma is traditionally stout on both sides and I would expect to see that again next year.

Hope -  You cant discount what Coach Kreps does in holland.  This year they were picked to finish fourth, and rarely receive the credit they are due.  They are the top dog in the league in my eyes with a commitment to sound football on both sides of the ball.  Booko returns at RB and will be the class of the leauge and Hope is often underrated upfront with some players that might not be the best in the eyeball test, but who get after you with good schemes.  The QB position has been shaky this last season, but again another year and more of a comfort level should help.  The defense was amazing, with the MVP of the leauge and deservedly so, he is the highest impact player I have seen in the leauge in the last 7 years he can run with receivers and bowl over the OL.  ALl this adds up to a possible repeat by Hope.  If the offense can step up to the table and deliver I could see this team getting the elusive MIAA win in the playoffs this year.

Kalamazoo - Things at Kzoo are always tough.  There are some good ideas from the coaching staff but limited personell can only take them so far.  I cant see Kzoo ever really being more than the spoiler that they have been in the last 7 years.  They will compete, they will win some games they shouldnt, but they will forever be a middle of the pack team with their academic standards.  Its hard to win football games when you only bring in 20 freshman a year and other teams bring in 80, the talent level and depth really becomes an issue.

Olivet -  A near miss this season.  Olivet had it all in their sights but their offense completely took a dive against Hope.  I cant recall the last time I saw an Olivet team run for negative yards and I imgaine that I will not see it again soon.  Olivet was a young team this last season and returns some great talent on both sides of the ball.  Again a strong commitment to the run game should prove to help in league and the passing game if properly developed would be a great asset.  Bob Frye on the coaching stuff defiently helps, despite his record at TSU.  The defense had amazing athletes and will have them next year, they LB's can close seams like crazy and the defensive backfield is full of playmakers with the FS really being able to deliver a hit.  I see this team with an improved offense challenging for the top spot.

Tri State - Things greatly improve at Tri State and look to continue to do so.  Coach Land brings some great ideas and som real innovation to what was a bottom feeder of a program.  His coaching staff also brings a great deal of enthusiasm to the field and recruiting which will pay dividends in the long run.  This season they were a low flyer, challening some of the top teams, putting up points one week and looking strong on defense the next.  A very young team which is not the key to wins right away but is down the road.  I know they would like to throw the ball more than they do, but before they can go anywhere, both sides of their lines need real improvement.  On film they look small and overpowered and that translates to the games.  Recruiting should help out as should the new commitment to athletics at TSU the future is bright, I just dont see them winning more than 4 games this next season, maybe 5.

Wisconsin Lutheran - They reeled with the loss of some great OL this last season and Kehl despite being a great back looked rather pedestrian at times with the poor blocking he received.  The defense is a real problem showing littel abiltity to stop the run or pass.  This is a team on its way out of the MIAA and should improve greatly once they join their new conference.  They have had some good teams, but the most recent was 3 years ago with the great group of seniors they had.  Best of luck to them in this last MIAA season and best of luck in the future in the new conference.

Thats my take on this next season, time will tell as will recruiting but things are usually pretty steady.  The only negative I would put out there about the new stadium and admin at Adrian is a large increase in pressure.  At times it appears that they forget the core values of DIII sports in terms of producing good people, there is a very larege emphasis on winning and winning now with the new administration.  The stadium seems to have brought a DI mentality as well as the thinking that once you have a stadium you should compete for a national championship which realistically for Adrian or the MIAA is years away.  Youve gotta knock on the door before you can enter the party and so far we cant knock on the door.  Thats my take on this next season, time will tell as will recruiting but things are usually pretty steady I look forward to being able to meet some of the other posters this upcoming season at MIAA events and also to enjoy the atmosphere of tailgating and not being stressed with game day preperation!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 28, 2007, 11:33:08 PM
wlcalum83:

Adrian vs. WLC is always a great rivalry.  At this point there doesnt seem to be any love lost and there have been some great games.  I played in some good games against WLC and despite not having the best talent, they always put up a good fight.  I too will remember the 3-3 5-5 team as a great group of players who played great team football. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 29, 2007, 10:26:58 PM
Dawg4life

Nice to see you on the board.

great comments, look forward to more insites.

83 thanks for the info, I agree the move will be good for WLC.
Close travel and a league they are more competitive with.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAAalum on March 30, 2007, 11:13:29 AM
83,

I was curious to find out if you knew anything about how long WLC will keep letting their coach turn in subpar performances?  I know it takes time to build a program, but with the facilities your school has (with are far superior to any other MIAA school) you would think WLC would have no problem bringing in top level D-3 recruits. 
I have watched the teams you have put out over the past few years being in the MIAA, and the atheletes are there, it just seems to be an issue of getting those athletes to put it together on the field. 
Maybe I am way off in my thinking, but I would think that patience with your Coach would be growing thin.  Do you think with the changing to a more local league will help?

Best of Luck in 07!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 30, 2007, 06:17:27 PM
WLC Coach Miller currently also serves as Vice-President of Student Affairs. He was taken on by President Greenfield back in 1998 to start the football program from scratch. A few years later, President Greenfield retired and was replaced by Tim Kriewell. Given the positive early steps the first few seasons, this poster would think that Coach Miller would be given another 2-3 years yet. It remains to be seen how things will shake out in the NAthCon football conference, (I heard a couple of the squads --Concordia-Chicago for 1-- that are joining WLC in '08 also have had "down" stretches.)

Another factor--in the MIAA, WLC's been a "cub" among "bears." Your Michigan squads have been competing nearly 100 years while the Warriors have been for less than 10. WLC's expectations would appear to have been toned down accordingly.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 30, 2007, 07:54:08 PM
1) DAWG:
Welcome back to the board, friend.  BTW, what will you be doing this year?

2) Also, I would like join the others here in wishing the best of luck to you WLC posters and your team for its last season in MIAA.  We'll miss having you in the league, but I'm sure your new conference experience will be exciting.

3) Don't forget about another potential "statement game" i.e. Hope vs. Central (IA).  If Hope beats them (and Wheaton), could be a tremendous start.  Then again, always difficult to predict - recalling what happened last year at the start before the "long run".

Good to see everyone posting again.  Maybe our board will soon hit the #100 page! :)   

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 31, 2007, 11:55:58 PM
formerd3db:

I will be taking this next year starting in may to begin and complete a teachers education program that will have me certified to teach in high school.  From there I dont know where I will go, but it will open up many new avenues for me which should be exciting.  As for what Ill be doing when not in school I will attend the Adrian games and would like to attend some non Adrian MIAA games as well to get a better feel for the league.  As much as I will miss coaching, I wont miss the new high stress environment at Adrian and will enjoy the freedom to tailgate and enjoy the game!  I look forward to meeting alot of the posters I have known only through posts and enjoying some football with them in person!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on April 01, 2007, 12:43:00 AM
I can confidently say that the coaching staff's loss is the tailgater's gain at Adrian.  ADAWG, you're welcome at any tailgate I ever throw.  Looking forward to another exciting MIAA season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 05, 2007, 10:11:37 AM
Well now that the teams have had some walk thru's.
Does anyone have any info about teams.

As I look at comments on the other conferences there is a lot of talk about incoming players and things at schools.

I have not had a chance to watch sny walk thrus for the teams yet.

"this work stuff is overrated" will try to get by some before the spring ball ends
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 08, 2007, 05:46:57 PM
D306:

I haven't heard anything either.  Alma is gets out of school this week before the short spring term to Memorial weekend (they are always done by the second week of April, which gives their students a jump on summer jobs, i.e. those who are not involved in spring sports or who take their mini-spring term).  I was up to Alma last weekend for the Hope/Alma/Holy Cross lacrosse games, but didn't get a chance to talk with Alma coaches at that time.  Hope is done in 3 weeks with graduation May 6th; I might be able find out some info from them when I see a lacrosse game there.  Might have been able to find out this weekend but the lacrosse games at Albion for Albion/Adrian/Hope were cancelled due to the return of the winter weather.  I will be out-of-town from April 12-April 22nd so won't be posting here for awhile.  Anyway, keep us posted on what you may hear.  Perhaps some of our other MIAA colleagues will find out some info as well.  Hope you had a nice Easter weekend.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 09, 2007, 12:00:06 AM
Adrian has begun their spring practices.  I havent had a chance to get up and see them yet, I know they had at least one cancellation because of the weather, hardly seems like april out right now.  I know Adrian is going through the installation of a new offense, and Im sure some things on defense will be tweaked as well.  I will report what I see after I finally get up and catch a practice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 09, 2007, 09:12:12 AM
I remember Alma getting done so early, does help with the summer job opportunites. The mini - class is also a good way to get some of the mandatory classes out of the way.
Albion and many others also are done in early May.

I trust you all had a good Easter I certainly did.

Couple guys I spoke with tell me that, they are running alot, this spring ball.
The walk thrus for basic alignments are going well, getting a chance to see how some of the younger guys are learning the systems.

Weather has been bad, it builds character or at least thats the story they used to tell us back in the day. Of course it was colder and longer practices back in the day too!!!! LOL

I hear the big emphasis is on speed, on both sides of the ball this year. Guys are getting bigger by nature, there is numerous big lineman out there now, but speed on the edges and at LB is the big push from a couple locations I have heard from.
DB and safety are the areas that I think the MIAA needs to improve on, alot of passing for yardage and completing 3rd downs. Have to get of the field.

Well my travels should allow me to see a practice or two this week, so hopefully I will have something worth posting.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 09, 2007, 11:17:40 PM
D306 and DAWG:
Thanks for the updates.  Good commentary and some interesting aspects for sure.  Hopefully, I too will have something to report on in the near future.  Later friends.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on April 10, 2007, 04:13:04 PM
ANybody hear any news about recruiting classes?  Any big name guys coming into the MIAA?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 12, 2007, 08:11:00 AM
The following one-time MIAA football players have found a new league to continue putting that athletic talent to use in:

The link is:  http://www.continentalindoorfootball.com/  (click on team logo, then "roster")

Team                           Player                                      Position                               School attended

Kzoo Xplosion             D White                                    RB                                        Kzoo
Kzoo Xplosion             K Lackscheide                           OL/DL                                  Olivet
Kzoo Xplosion             A Storey                                    OL                                       Olivet

Muskegon Thunder     M Cumings                                LB/DB                                   Hope
Muskegon Thunder     D McKeown                               WR/DB                                 Adrian
Muskegon Thunder     A Pringle                                    DL/FB                                  Albion
Muskegon Thunder     S Wasil                                      QB                                       Albion
Muskegon Thunder     T J Williams                                RB/DB                                  Adrian

Miami Valley Silverbacks    J Oliver                                QB                                       Tri-State

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 12, 2007, 09:24:08 AM
WLCALUM83:

Not that he is in the same league, but you missed out on Mike Lewis who is actually playing in the AFL2 right now in Albany New York, he actually posted 6 solo tackles in his first game.  Heres the link to the team web page www.albanyconquest.com
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on April 12, 2007, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on April 12, 2007, 08:11:00 AM
The following one-time MIAA football players have found a new league to continue putting that athletic talent to use in:

The link is:  http://www.continentalindoorfootball.com/  (click on team logo, then "roster")

Team                           Player                                      Position                               School attended

Kzoo Xplosion             D White                                    RB                                        Kzoo
Kzoo Xplosion             K Lackscheide                           OL/DL                                  Olivet
Kzoo Xplosion             A Storey                                    OL                                       Olivet

Muskegon Thunder     M Cumings                                LB/DB                                   Hope
Muskegon Thunder     D McKeown                               WR/DB                                 Adrian
Muskegon Thunder     A Pringle                                    DL/FB                                  Albion
Muskegon Thunder     S Wasil                                      QB                                       Albion
Muskegon Thunder     T J Williams                                RB/DB                                  Adrian

Miami Valley Silverbacks    J Oliver                                QB                                       Tri-State



What was the big kid's name from up in Kingsley that played for Olivet a couple of years ago.   He ran the Wing-T in Kingsley and thrived under Sigler's Wing-T.  Was that Storey?  I saw that name above and coudn't remember.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 17, 2007, 08:29:42 AM
I noticed in some of the other links in North Divison
That teams like MUC are having a scrimmage this weekend.
I believe offense vs. defense with itself

Does any of the MIAA teams have a scrimmage this weekend?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on April 17, 2007, 09:58:02 PM
As far as I know no one does, because the MIAA does not wear pads(I dont believe OAC does either).  On top of the fact that for the MIAA the rule states that the practices have to be completley "non contact" which would really prevent a scrimmage situation.  It would be great to see some pads in these practices as the teams would be able to get alot more done that just skeleton and OL/DL drills with air (supposedly).  There is only so much you can do with no contact and no pads, but by the same token the MIAA finally agreeing to allow spring practices where you can use a football is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 18, 2007, 08:16:25 AM
Dawg

Thanks for the info.
I thought this yeart the teams could hold scheduled spring practice and that would include pads, for a week or so.

Until the commitment to football, equal to the other Conferences in D3 the MIAA will have trouble playing with these teams.
I doubt the players would have any problems with the contact or the extra time, Players play, and they would like the extra chances to get things done and impress a coach.

I do not want the whole D1 thing, as D3 schools are about education first and  foremost. I believe a week or two of pads and a scrimmage would go a long way in improving the MIAA play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3dl on April 18, 2007, 01:38:59 PM
FYI:  From the NCAA Div. III Manual

Quote17.11.6.1 Exception

An institution is permitted to conduct conditioning and strength training sessions and limited skill instruction during a consecutive five week period outside the playing season.  During this five week period, the institution may conduct athletically related activity on a maximum of 16 days with no more than four days of athletically related activity in any one week.  Any athletically related activity (per Bylaw 17.02.1.1) shall constitute the use of a day.  Skill instruction during this period shall be limited to passing, catching and kicking related drills. Such instruction may include offensive and defensive alignments, but may not involve contact.  Except for footballs, the use of helmets, pads, blocking sleds or any other form of sport-related equipment is prohibited.  No missed class time is permitted for these sessions.  (Adopted: 1/10/05, Revised: 1/9/06)

Pretty sure that no one in D3 is supposed to be wearing pads, having contact, or conducting scrimmages.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 18, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
D3DL

MY Mistake

I must have assumed that others whom are having a scrimmage were in pads.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Not so sure 7 v 7 is good for much, maybe a little timing for QB and WR's
Good for raising the interest of the student body.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 25, 2007, 07:29:10 PM
So with a couple of key players in the MIAA graduating, how does the following teams replace the lost talent.
Alma QB
Adrian LB, and DL major contributors
Albion DE Both, and CB all of which were highly rated in league.
Hope I can not recall any major grads could be wrong.
OC most of the team returns
Can not comment accurately re: Kazoo, Wis,
I thought Tri-State was pretty young.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 25, 2007, 07:34:17 PM
The biggest "name" WLC will have to replace is Matt Kehl.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard Tri-State had either 3 seniors who played a lot last season, or 3 seniors on their entire squad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on April 30, 2007, 01:20:50 PM
Congrats to Taz Wallace!!!  As he was invited to the Lions rookie camp!  Good luck!!!


http://www.adrian.edu/sports/football_taz_lions.php (http://www.adrian.edu/sports/football_taz_lions.php)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 30, 2007, 01:40:41 PM
Best of luck to Taz Wallace!   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 30, 2007, 07:27:31 PM
Great News
Hope he can catch someones eye, and get a chance Special Teams using his speed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on May 01, 2007, 03:27:26 PM
Is there any word on Brehm or any other D III guys that have landed invites or FA signings somewhere?  Looks like D III is well represented this year in the professional leagues.  So with recruiting slowing down for the D III guys, what is the word with possible recruits that may see some time as freshmen?  I hear Adrian is bringing in another huge class, not real sure about the talent level however.  Any word on the other MIAA schools?  Any surprises out there regarding transfers?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2007, 10:32:54 PM
ACRULZ, check the D3football.com front page. Two stories -- one with draftees, another with signees and free agent invites.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2007, 07:00:42 PM
Fellow MIAA followers:

I was told by a very reliable MIAA source that Alma's Brehm and Adrian's Wallace have signed as free agents with the Detroit Lions and are now at the mini-camp.  Great news, although it will be interesting to see how far they can go.  Obviously, Brehm is competing against MSU's Stanton.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2007, 08:22:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2007, 10:32:54 PM
ACRULZ, check the D3football.com front page. Two stories -- one with draftees, another with signees and free agent invites.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 07, 2007, 10:42:01 PM
formerd3db:

It is true that both were invited to the Lions mini camp along with about 30 other non signed rookie invites.  Unlike the other teams in the NFL this camp for the Lions was only rookies thus they needed numbers to fill out the camp as opposed to most NFL teams that bring the whole team in plus rookies.  While they were in camp, as far as I know they have not signed any contract of worth.  Word is that Taz looked good, speaking with the Adrian D coordinator today he actually picked Brehm off in the first day of practice.  Both players are considered long shots to make the roster and I think it would be great if either was able to land on the practice squad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on May 08, 2007, 11:38:36 PM
I believe there are pictures of Taz at the Lions camp on the Adrian site if anyone is interested. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 13, 2007, 06:42:24 PM
Quote from: bulldogalum on May 08, 2007, 11:38:36 PM
I believe there are pictures of Taz at the Lions camp on the Adrian site if anyone is interested. 

Great photos and articles on Adrian's athletic website about Taz at the Lions mini-camp.  However, we haven't heard anything about whether or not he was invited back or not for the pre-season camp or possibly assigned to NFL-Europe, etc. (also nothing on how Brehm did).  I checked on the Detroit Lions official website and unfortunately, there is nothing listed at all about how these non-drafted, unrestricted free agents, and invitees did at the camp, other than the couple of "big name" guys the Lions invited or signed before camp and a general interview with the Lions HC who basically just talks about the latter.  You would think the Lions would have something about who was cut, who made it, etc. on the "blog" section of the website.  With all the "hype" it is projected as a great website, it kind of reflects how mediocre the Lions are in all other aspects!  ::)  Anyone have any other info...bulldogalum, ADAWG,???? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 13, 2007, 07:13:30 PM
Word on a local Michigan Website is Brehm signed a 90 day contract to be at the Grenn Bay packers Training Camp.

See if he can make it,or get a NFL Europe Contract.

$250K is the rumored rate.

Nice start hope he makes it.

GB needs somebody in the near future, even if he gets 3rd string and learns
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 14, 2007, 10:53:28 AM
formerd3db:

The only word I knew on Taz was that he was a rookie invite to the Lions rookie minicamp.  He had some good moments, but I have not heard any plans or word of him being signed to the squad for training camp.  The lions run their first camp different than most teams, only rookies are present thus they bring in about 30 rookie invites to participate and fill out the numbers.  Like I said the word is that Taz did great and that he was well liked, but I have heard nothing regarding signing.  Ill do some digging and see if I can hear anything.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 14, 2007, 07:41:20 PM
Thanks DAWG; keep us posted.  Hope all is well with you.

Thanks also, D306, please do the same.

BTW, fellow MIAA'ers, I need to check today to see where/who Hope baseball team plays in the NCAA Regionals.  I would assume in the Cleveland area, but then the NCAA has been known to do some strange things! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 14, 2007, 10:17:45 PM
Hope's first game is Wednesday, 7pm, vs Marietta (defending national champion, but many were surprised they even got a pool C this year); Wooster is the host, but the games are in Strongsville,OH (a Cleveland suburb).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 11:03:21 AM
Check D3baseball.com, Doc.

Come on, man -- you're inheriting the Mr. Ypsi mantle of not doing your own research. Read the  front page of the site for something important like that!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 15, 2007, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 11:03:21 AM
Check D3baseball.com, Doc.

Come on, man -- you're inheriting the Mr. Ypsi mantle of not doing your own research. Read the  front page of the site for something important like that!

Oops!  Sorry Pat, my bad!  In my haste to post, I should have checked your site before that; actually, the baseball question was a "late" thought in my post.  I should have figured that the pairings/selections were posted by then, since it was early evening!  I should know better in regards to my researcher/historian background! :-[ ::)  :P

Anyway, Hope is not a bad team and has been steadily improving of recent, yet getting Marietta will be no easy game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 06:17:53 PM
Well, at least we're crediting Ypsi with having dispensed with said mantle. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on May 15, 2007, 08:32:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 15, 2007, 05:38:49 PM
Anyway, Hope is not a bad team and has been steadily improving of recent, yet getting Marietta will be no easy game.

Let me preface this by saying I've been too lazy to look at the stats, and so I have no idea if what I'm saying is backed up on paper.  My impression of the Hope baseball team is that they're a good team, and might be able to steal a series or two in the tournament, but not much more than that.  They've got some guys that can flat out hit the ball, and their offense is clearly their greatest strength.  I don't remember them having many base stealing threats, but they put the bat on the ball enough to get the runners around.

I thought Hope's pitching was relatively unimpressive.  It seemed like a rotation full of #3 starters--guys that'll get you some good innings, and who are pretty good pitchers, but nobody that can take over a game, and nobody that absolutely astounds me.   I think if they want to extend their playoff lives, they'd be well served to plan on putting up at least 6 or 7 runs per game.  I don't think they'll be able to get by against good teams like Marietta with much less than that.

Now that I've said that, watch them with the national title whilst giving up 0 runs and winning endless strings of 1-0 and 2-0 games. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 16, 2007, 11:03:27 AM
Heard a couple of Milwaukee area prep players are headed WLC's direction:

The link is:  http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=603775
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 18, 2007, 07:28:32 PM
I realize I should be posting this over on Pat's d3baseball web, however, thought I would just mention this here for anyone interested (besides, I'm not signed up over on that site ;D).  Anyway, unfortunately, Hope's "run" in the NCAA baseball regional ended today with a 6-5 loss to Ohio Wesleyan University.  Thus, ironically, Hope's season began in Florida and ends with a close loss to the same team.  After getting walloped by defending national champion Marietta on Wed this week 9-1 and being placed in the "elimination" bracket, Hope rebounded by upsetting the nation's #1 D3 team Wooster (OH) 5-3 yesterday.  Despite this, is was a good season for Hope, certainly much better than last year I would say.   Bulldogalum's assessment was pretty much on it appears, although one never knows about the post season as strange things can happen.

Nonetheless, congratulations to Coach Stu Fritz and all the Hope team as they had a very good season, MIAA champs and representing the league in these NCAA's.  I think that any one of the Ohio teams in this regional could certainly go all the way, certainly Wooster and Marietta could, although unfortunately and obviously, only one can advance.  The only other comment I might add would be that similar to our discussions regarding football and basketball, IMO, I think that Hope and the MIAA teams need to play some tougher teams in their early spring trips - although Hope did play OWU, I'm talking about on a consistent basis - and some upper level teams (i.e. DII and DI) during parts of the season to gain additional experience that would help in the playoffs.  Some of the teams in the MIAA are returning to that philosophy (Alma plays some DII teams now, returning to situation similar to when they used to play several DI teams - in the early '80's, they played U of Detroit, Eastern MI, Central MI, Iowa State, Georgia Tech - and Olivet played DI Eastern and Western MI this year - despite Olivet losing those games, they gained good experience and almost did beat Eastern in one of the games).  Anyway, it will be interesting to see who wins the DIII baseball title this year.  With all due respect to all the d3 baseball teams, I am (almost ;)) ready for the football season to begin (of course, after the collegiate lacrosse season concludes next weekend! :D).  I will look forward to any other comments that any of you have about any of the above if anyone cares to do so, friends.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 18, 2007, 07:30:43 PM
BTW, guys, keep on posting - we're almost to page 100! ;) ;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 18, 2007, 07:50:59 PM
former,

A signup on one d3sports.com site is a signup on all.  No more excuses for avoiding d3baseball.com!  (Though I suppose we probably won't see you 'til next season.)

And congratulations to Hope on a very nice season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 19, 2007, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 18, 2007, 07:50:59 PM
former,

A signup on one d3sports.com site is a signup on all.  No more excuses for avoiding d3baseball.com!  (Though I suppose we probably won't see you 'til next season.)

And congratulations to Hope on a very nice season.

Mr. Ypsi:

Good to hear from you and thanks for the congrats to Hope.  Yes, it was a nice season for them and they did come close to getting to the final game today.  But as that old saying goes..."close but no cigar!"

Anyway, I guess I'm "dumb" because I was unaware that signing up (i.e. registering) on any of the d3.com sites allows you to participate in them all.  That is great and thanks to Pat and crew for allowing that.  Yes, I'll probably not post on the baseball site (although I like college baseball and have some nice memories of when my brother played in the NCAA DIII baseball regionals some years ago, I'm still a fb and now also lacrosse man!).  Anyway, I wish good luck to the teams that make it into the DIII "World Series".  Also, hope you are doing well and have a great upcoming Memorial Day Weekend and, of course, summer as well.  August fb will be here before we know it!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 19, 2007, 11:33:50 AM
Getting back to football, has anyone heard anything more about Tri-State's indoor football/lacrosse facility since it was announced last fall?  I tried to find the section on their website that outlined the plans which several of us saw late last fall, however, I couldn't locate it on there now.  Just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 19, 2007, 09:37:52 PM
formerd3db:

From what i had heard before leaving Adrian is that plans for that had been scrapped and that it was no longer going to be an indoor facility.  I dont know if thats the truth or not, but rather just mumblings from althletic department officials.  It never made sense to me why they would build an indoor stadium as football season is usually such great weather and there field is normally in such prime shape with their turf managment program.  It would be a shame to see the nicest grass in the league go by the wayside.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 21, 2007, 11:38:58 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 19, 2007, 09:37:52 PM
formerd3db:

From what i had heard before leaving Adrian is that plans for that had been scrapped and that it was no longer going to be an indoor facility.  I dont know if thats the truth or not, but rather just mumblings from althletic department officials.  It never made sense to me why they would build an indoor stadium as football season is usually such great weather and there field is normally in such prime shape with their turf managment program.  It would be a shame to see the nicest grass in the league go by the wayside.

DAWG:

I thought perhaps that might have been the case.  From what I heard among the staffs around the league, they were questioning the reasoning for those plans as well.  Since those plans/campaign is no longer posted on the TSU website, it would appear your assessment is right on.

On the other hand, while an indoor facility would be, shall we say, somewhat "different" in these regions, although certainly not crazy since Northern Michigan Univ has one as does Syracuse, in one sense, it does make sense.  I would differ with you on Shive Field's natural turf - last year when we played on it, it was horrible - the worse I've seen in many years including when Hope had old Riverview Park Stadium.  It was so bad, that even the sidelines, which were covered with expensive tarps, would sink down about a foot and water would run into your shoes.  An indoor facility would also take care of those severe cold, rainy, snowy weather days for both practice and games toward the end of the season.  However, critics will rightly point out the "counter-argument" for that is 1) football is made to play outside i.e. the "traditionalists" view and 2) TSU can solve the field problems by installing synthetic turf.  At the very least, they (IMO) should renovate and update the stadium itself i.e. seating, attractive brick and old style iron entry gates to add to the "old college atmosphere" (they've kept and renovated their oldest two buildings on campus i.e. Old Main and another building on campus in keeping with that "atmosphere") similar to what they did for the baseball stadium, obviously they need locker rooms at the stadium.  I believe that at least some of these are planned.  If they are smart they'll do this (and they seem to get enough $ contributed by big-time business alums for their campus projects which continue to grow).  Certainly, at the very least they need the synthetic turf (my apologies to the naturual turf lovers  ;D and there is nothing wrong with that!).   Natural turf allows for many other sports to use it, and also allows, for example, early Feb games for lacrosse, even when it snows - and they are going full varsity with lacrosse next year as you know.  Anyway, those are just MO's.  Thanks for the follow-up.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 22, 2007, 10:54:01 AM
formerd3db,

Yes...doing well here.  Just busy with work.  I am working for a 3rd Party Logistics Provider....so its the busy season with produce moving for the Holiday. 

How are things with you and the family?

Also, check out the HCAC Board.  Thomas More is moving forward with a new athletic complex....Bank of Kentucky has donated $1 million to get started..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 23, 2007, 02:22:11 AM
formerd3db:

I was down at TSU for a late season JV game this year and although the field was not up to the standard it was the previosu year it was better than some.  I took it as a lack of upkeep based on the rumor for the domed stadium, but who knows.  All I know is that two years ago, they had the most well maintained turf I had personally ever seen football played on, but as wel know alot can change in a year. 

As for Northern Michigan and their domed stadium, it does make sense for them as they are pounded by snow much earlier than the rest of the state and on a more frequent basis along with more accumulation.  The same goes for Syracuse which if you recall last year had basketb all games cancelled due to the amount of snow that fell.  While I do think it would be an interesting addition to the menagrie of stadiums in the league, I agree that it would be more efficent to simply install field turf.  I agree that their stadium does need updating, they have the worst press box I had ever been in with a low angle and windows that obsturct vision, it felt like playing at a small high school rather than a college.  For a great example of what a stadium should look like, take a look at Franklins, beautiful stadium, red brick, gates, the whole deal.  Thats just what I recall from playing there several years ago, but it was a wonderful atmosphere.

Adrian toyed with the idea of doming their field in the winter, an idea which was put forth in recruiting materials last year.  Needless to say with all the hoopla and pomp and circumstance around the facilities it has yet to appear.  President Docking has explicitly stated in speeches with recruits that they would dome the field.  I dont know if it will happen or if he is just blowing smoke, only time will tell.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on May 23, 2007, 03:58:43 PM
Who do you guys believe the early favorites are to be MIAA champs?  I know there is not much info available on incoming recruits, but I think we are in for another very competitive MIAA season.  Especially with a lot of teams improving like Tri-State (lot of youth coming back and enthusiastic youthful coaching staff).  I think it could come down to any of the top five teams in Adrian, Alma, Albion, Hope, and Olivet.  It will be interesting to see how some of these teams respond with losing some very key players (Adrian's Wallace & Marry, Alma's Brehm & Cline, Albion's Shaw & Sheldon, Hope's Huizing, Olivet's Warren).  I think the MIAA race will be very interesting!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 25, 2007, 11:23:32 AM
I gave some early predictions for the upcoming season a while ago, but its so fun to do I will do it again.  As it is every year I see this being a very competitve race, but I see it coming down to three teams with a possible darkhorse fourth.  The top three I see are Hope, Olivet and Albion with Alma being the darkhorse depending on how the QB position comes around.

Hope - Great coaching staff and a great program put Hope in contention every year, even though they are often overlooked and under the radar.  The return of the MIAA defensive MVP is huge as well as the return of Booko at RB.  Receivers are always good and the qb position should be stronger this year.  Strong lines on both offense and defense highlight hope teams as well as strong fundamental play on both sides of the ball.  If the passing game is in line with the run, Hope is the team to beat.  Always a well tested team coming into the MIAA season with their non confrence schedule.

Olivet - Coach Livedotti has one great thing going for him, that is an experienced team with a ton of athletes.  The Olivet defense was the number one in the league last year and for good reason, athletic players who closed fast and some great safety play.  The offense will punch you in the mouth and tell you it is going to and can afford to with its stable of RB's and its offensive lineman.  If the passing game for Olivet can average 150yds a game Olivet could make some big noise.

Albion - Consistency is the hallmark of the Albion program and Coach Rundle has done an excellent job with this program despite disagreements with administration.  A strong season should be in the works with 4 out of 5 OL starters returning next year from a very good and well coached unit with Coach Shudel.  Albion is  a power team in terms of the run and will stretch the field on you in the passing game.  Defensivley they are solid up front but did lose some key players.  They will no doubt be in the running the whole season and ready to go with the tough non confrence schedule that they play.

Alma - Another great and creative coaching staff, obviosuly the Scot Gun was a new thing in the MIAA years ago when it came about, but it appears that many teams still havent quite figured out how to stop it.  The QB position is going to be key as they lost Broehm to graduation, but Alma has had a tradition of great QB play for the last 7 years(Slowke and Broehm).  I would imagine that coach Leister will have someone ready to go, Alma also returns two good RB's who will be looked at to carry much of the load.  A fast attacking defense is always in the works at Alma and as much as their numbers dont show it due to the amount of time they are on the field, they are a very solid unit. 

Adrian - Huge question marks with the Adrian program.  Lost their two best defensive players from last years team and both are ILB's with little experience to replace.  Also lost the best overall DL from their team and there are still some questions as to whether the best pass rusher will be back.  The secondary could be a great unit next year with lots of players back.  Offensivlety Adrian lost its starting QB, RB, TE, WR, best offensive lineman and is going through the learning curve of a new OC.  Word is he wants to start a freshman QB which more than likely wont be good for the win column.  With the new administration and stadium there is huge pressure to win and win now.  Coach Lyall's job could be in jeopardy without an MIAA title this year and with all the losses and change it could be a tough year.  Also Adrian is fairly untested with its non confrence schedule over the last several years, although they have picked up Huntington from Alabama this year.

Tri State - If they improve as much this year as they did last year, they could be a pleasant suprise.  A young and enthusisatic coaching staff has brought life to what two years ago was a doormat program.  The question now will be can they sustain the growth as team size and the lines on both sides of the ball were a bit lacking.  Hung in alot of close games this past season and played some of the big boys tight.  It is a school that looks to be doing things right with a new emphasis on their athletics.

Kzoo - Hard to win football games when you are hampered by recruiting quotas and IVy leauge standards.  Coach Brooks has done a good job in getting his players to belive they can win, now it is just a matter of winning games.  Offensivley Kzoo is limited in what it can do due to lack of size, but still comes up with creative options.  The defense is traditionaly solid and very creative.  Kzoo has played spoiler to some MIAA contenders in the past, but I dont know if the program can ever compete for a title.  Due to the intelligence of their players however they are always well coached and have a large variety to their offense and defense which at least for a half allows them to cover their lack of size and speed.

Wisconsin Lutheran - WLC had one good year since joining the MIAA(5-5 3-3).  They had some great players on that team but have not really had that many since.  Two years ago they did have three very good OL to go along with Kehl at RB, but this last season without the OL Kehl stuggled(not for lack of talent he was the best RB in the MIAA).  Defensivley they have a collection of players that are to small or to slow who have a hard time stacking the line against the strong MIAA run games and als a hard time keeping up with the spread teams.  This is their last year in the MIAA, and they should fare much better in their new league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Brits39 on May 25, 2007, 01:16:29 PM
ADAWG-
What will the Freshmen classes for each team look like this year? Any Impact players coming in that may shock some people. Also any information on Albion would be great, from anyone. And Finally,Thanks for the update and predictions for next season. Glad to see that you're still involved with the MIAA even after Leaving Adrian. What have you been up to lately? Just coaching up here in the Northern Country of Minn.

See ya at Red Beard's Cabin the 7th


Pound Purple Pound!!! 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: iKNOWstuff on June 03, 2007, 06:38:04 PM
I'm new to this website and I've been reading some questions but i do have an answer to the recruiting class, I m a recruit myself but we will get to me later.

Have you ever heard of Lumen Christi, the 2,3,4, i dont know time defending state champs, but there quarterback, a d1 prospect will be joing the class of 2011 in the fall.  I guess he's the one someone was saying will probably start next year but I dont know.  oh yeah his name is Jeff Watjusik (dont know if i spelled his last name right.

plus a hard hitting Inside Linebacker-Jason White of jackson high school

He is the Jackson Area Defensive player of the year
here are some stats from max preps...but he's a pretty nice solid linebacker...
edited to shorten link (http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Player.mxp/AthleteID-b19ab5ca-4140-49e7-94a3-ac2bc6719770/SchoolID-56376272-0fa8-4526-a1af-a7b29e6ca801/Boys_Varsity_Football_Fall_06-07/Michigan/AreaID-c29d54d3-010a-4cb2-841f-650bffcbec7e)

oh yeah he is gonna wear #49,,,WINK WINK
there are some articles of him i will try to post them some time but you have to give me some time....

we have a solid i mean solid recruiting class this year, i was up there for recruit day and Klotz was telling us how they were focusing on the best recruits possible they aren't bringin that much in probably around 30--35 its some nice players look foward to see these players on the field

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 03, 2007, 09:52:44 PM
iknow:

Welcome to the MIAA board.  Thank you for sharing your info with us.  We'll look forward to your contributions to the discussions.  One minor reminder though, just in case you were not aware.  The "unwritten" protocol on all of D3.com is that if you are an current player (or coach) on any college D3 team (or for that matter any college team), one should refrain from posting once the "in-season" begins i.e. once camp opens in August.  When the regular and playoff seasons are completed, then one can return to posting according to this generally accepted "rule".  So you have until you report to college camp in August to post your opinions on here. ;) ;D  Again, welcome to the board! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 03, 2007, 10:08:12 PM
****BREAKING NEWS****

Adrian College Defensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach has resigned his position with the college.  He made his announcment to Head Coach Jim Lyall on Friday and announced it to members of the team today.  Not making money and a new job opportunity led him to leave and take a new position with a company in Adrian.  I dont know for certain but having been inside the Adrian Staff and seeing how the new administration so "subtly" applied pressure to win and win now on the program did not lend itself to nearly as cordial of a working environment as had been present in the past.  Couple this with the fact that with win and win now pressure job security doesnt seem as secure at Adrian as it used to be.  I can only hope that now with only one Adrian guy left on the staff with Coach Lyall that he still has the loyality and understanding of what Adrian College Football is and always has been about.

This also lends even more pressure to a team that is filling holes for next season.  Unless they hire from within which could be doubtful they will be looking at installing a new defense and a new D coordinator for the season opener in early August.  I hope that they are able to find a solid and qualified replacment in the time that is available and the best of luck for next season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: iKNOWstuff on June 03, 2007, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 03, 2007, 10:08:12 PM
****BREAKING NEWS****

Adrian College Defensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach has resigned his position with the college.  He made his announcment to Head Coach Jim Lyall on Friday and announced it to members of the team today.  Not making money and a new job opportunity led him to leave and take a new position with a company in Adrian.  I dont know for certain but having been inside the Adrian Staff and seeing how the new administration so "subtly" applied pressure to win and win now on the program did not lend itself to nearly as cordial of a working environment as had been present in the past.  Couple this with the fact that with win and win now pressure job security doesnt seem as secure at Adrian as it used to be.  I can only hope that now with only one Adrian guy left on the staff with Coach Lyall that he still has the loyality and understanding of what Adrian College Football is and always has been about.

This also lends even more pressure to a team that is filling holes for next season.  Unless they hire from within which could be doubtful they will be looking at installing a new defense and a new D coordinator for the season opener in early August.  I hope that they are able to find a solid and qualified replacment in the time that is available and the best of luck for next season.

where did you get your information....i dont believe it...tell me your just joking
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 04, 2007, 12:02:43 AM
I coached there for the last three years, I played there for 4 before that, I recently left.  I talked to both Aaron Klotz as well as players in the program.  If you want better than that I dont know what to tell you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 04, 2007, 11:23:10 AM
Given Adrian's new stadium and all, anyone think poorer than expected attendance is a factor in those developments?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 04, 2007, 01:53:47 PM
What, klotz resigning related to poor attendance?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on June 04, 2007, 02:52:16 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on June 04, 2007, 11:23:10 AM
Given Adrian's new stadium and all, anyone think poorer than expected attendance is a factor in those developments?



That does not make much since.  Why would the defensive coordinator be fired for low attendance?  One thing I have noticed is that Adrian's attendance is about the same as all the other MIAA schools.  Not bad but not very good either.  From what I hear Klotz left because he found a job that doubled his money.  I don't know what Adrian was paying him, but whenever someone pays you double that would be hard to turn down.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 04, 2007, 05:29:57 PM
Only threw the attendance supposition out there--wasn't sure whether that dog would hunt anyway (pardon the pun).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 05, 2007, 08:37:56 AM
Attendance has nothing to do with coaching or with Klotz's decision to resign.  He simply found a better job offer that would greatly increase his compensation.  When it comes down to it, you have to make enough money to live on and support a family and while I guess that there are other factors in play I do not know what those are. 

The attendance at Adrian has nothing to do with the new stadium the coaches or even a teams record.  While the hope was that the on campus stadium would cause more students to attend, that did not happen.  The fact is that the best word to describe Adrians student body and the town itself towards athletics is apathy.  Students do not care about any athletic event, and for big crowds(i.e. some basketball games) other sports teams had meetings and made the teams go to the game afterward. I remember as a senior in 2002-03 we were 8-1 playing for a share of the league title and had an attendance of 900 for the final game.  As much as the players care and as much as the admin seems to care, the student body is not on the same line of thinking and until that occurs attendance at Adrian will always be a problem.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 05, 2007, 05:16:07 PM
DAWG:

Some valid and interesting comments you make.  I would like to follow-up and share my thoughts on those as well.  First, I agree with you about the coaching job situations in DIII.  As a recent coach yourself (and my own personal experience in the past as well), I know first hand what you are talking about.  For someone who desires a coaching and teaching career for the right reasons and especially at the DIII level, it can turn into a rewarding lifetime experience.  However, you are indeed correct that it is, perhaps somewhat more difficult today for young recent grads to do that.  We all know that DIII level assistant coaching jobs, even if you are full-time faculty, are not high paying jobs.  Trying to raise a family on that type of salary is most difficult, although, I'm sure we could apply the same to those who are in the high school coaching/teaching ranks as well.  It is obviously easier for a single young man to begin his coaching career in that way at a small college and either stay (if he is of the persuation of trying to do one's entire career at one school - a rarity today, but extremely noble and rewarding for those who desire and can do it) or move up the coaching ladder and different levels (DII, DIAA, etc) if that is what one's goals are.  Yet in Klotz's situation, the opportunity for having a tremendous raise in salary to support his family is a very important, significant, difficult, yet necessary decision in many cases.  I know a coach who was in a similar situation just a few years ago.  Great guy, head coaching material - however, with a wife and children, an opportunity to more than double his full time coaching salary at a small school was a "no brainer".  Still a difficult decision to make.  Similarly as for Klotz, being an alum of Adrian as you are, likewise, I'm sure it was difficult and perhaps even a bit "heart-wrenching".  But again, one never knows what life will bring and sometimes those decisions have to be made when an opportunity comes along.  Perhaps he will have a chance to coach again sometime as a part-time assistant.  Many people are able to do that.  I wish him and his family all the best in their new path.

The second discussion is with regards to attendance.  I understand and agree with you on those general aspects as well.  I don't know all the details with regard to Adrian as much as you obviously, however, I do know some alumns and thus am not ingnorant as to the situation you describe.  For colleges like Hope and Albion (and even Calvin perhaps for the non-fb category!), they have always had a tremendous relationship with the community and as such, that has been reflected in attendance at football games.  I recall in my own playing days, we always had +4000 for the major games.  Of course, when a team is winning, that always helps attendance averages, but also it appears that DIII attendance has been declining (as has DII and DIAA at most schools - not all), in recent years.  Not sure as to all the factors in that.  I'm sure some of our colleagues perhaps know more about those aspects.  I haven't taken the time to look into that, other than what I know about what pertains to our MIAA.  Most small DIII schools have horrid attendance, although how can you blame the? It is understandable - i.e. most will be parents, families of the players, yet it is no less important to the players for obvious reasons.  As mentioned also, if a school has a traditionally poor program record, that does not help.  Yet schools like Olivet who have worked hard to improve their program in recent years, with a new commitment from the administration (perhaps similar to Adrian at present), have seen a tremendous increase in average attendance.  Olivet will never have the avg that Hope or Albion does, but considering about 2000 per game for the a size school that Olivet has is very good IMO.  Of course, Hope was down this past year despite what they ended up doing for the season.  Perhaps the poor start had a lot to do with it.  Perception of opposing teams and hype in any given year is a contributing factor as well - i.e. I recall just a few years ago in the mid-90's when the Albion/Alma game had about 8,000 for the title game (we had simiilar back in my day - at least +5000 for some).  Not so in recent years, but back then, Albion was at the "top of their game"  Also, as much as we know the situation is at Kazoo as has been discussed by various people on this board in the past, they did have +4000 for their Homecoming game against Hope about 2 years ago (uh, maybe it was 3 years ago) which was fantastic for them and a great site to see.

Overall, small college football with its tradition and excitement and the importance to those of us who played at those type of schools will always be that - very important and special place in our hearts and those who follow it - obviously for all the right reasons for college football and education at these type of schools and for future life careers, experiences, etc.  While I personally don't think that attendance (for whatever reasons) will ever be on the incline for small schools, nonetheless, whether a small crowd or a larger one shows up for games, those who do is still important and meaningful to the players regardless of that crowd size.

As far as Adrian, I've never perceived the college as having the type of relationship to the city, community, etc., like Hope has, although I may be wrong and I'm also not implying that it is a bad one either.  Yet, perception of that, and working towards that might just perhaps be what would help Adrian in the future, along with tyring to come up with some approach to get the student body more interested.  Hope needs to do the same in the latter category a bit IMO, although we all know that there will always be students at any college who do give a rip about the fb program.  Sad but true - I think every student should go to at least one game sometime during their career at their school!

Anyway, my apologies to you and all our collleagues here for rambling on.  However, just wanted to share some of my general thoughts on this with all of you.  Besides, it is still the "off-season" and thus conversation of any topic goes (well, not all, but almost all topics! ;D ::) ) Thanks for listening friends.  I look forward to hearing comments and thoughts from all of you on this if you are inclined.

Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 05, 2007, 09:48:52 PM
DAWG and Formerd3db:

I generally agree with both of you.  Dawg, I think we both witnessed widespread apathy during our time at Adrian, and it's really quite disheartening.  For a fan as passionate as I am, I just don't understand how people can take no interest in what is going on around campus.

I'm really hoping that the new emphasis on athletics, coupled with the increased enrollment (and with it, students with stronger scores, etc) we'll see a bit of a transformation in that regard.  I always thought while I was at Adrian that the admissions office relied too heavily on recruiting Lenawee County.  Don't get me wrong, Adrian College doesn't exist without the support it gets from Lenawee County.  But the downside to that is that many students go home on the weekends, since home is just down the road.  Because they go home, they're not on campus to make their way to the weekend athletic events and other campus events.  If we can attract more students from outside the county, I think more would stay on the weekends (at least, they'd probably stay more often), and by the simple fact of their being on campus, we'd see an increase in attendance.

Formerd3db, certainly every D3 school would love to have the relationship with the community that Hope has.  Adrian's not there, and probably will never get there.  I know during my time there, efforts were made to make more ties between the college and the community, but the fact of the matter is, it probably takes more than just a few years to change the culture of a community. 

I know also that during basketball season, Adrian's basketball team is usually not covered as well as Siena Heights is across town.  This was even true last season when Adrian did quite nicely in the league, while Siena Heights only won a few games all year.  I'm not sure what can be done to remedy that little problem, but I'd sure love to see the Adrian basketball program get a little more respect from the local paper.

Anyhow, that's an awful lot of writing to basically just agree with the two experts on the panel.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: iKNOWstuff on June 05, 2007, 10:33:49 PM
so with klotz leaving who will most likely take his position...
and what do they tell the recruits that klotz recruited....
...ummm i guess we probably have to call the school for information now
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 05, 2007, 10:35:41 PM
Great string of comments folks.

Nice to see some real conversation on the board.
I agree the local college aspect, with so many of the students now having cars, weekends are at home or other colleges to see friends.

I find that to be a shame, youlose so of the experience and growth of going away to college, if you spend every weekend at home, eating moms food and having all the comforts fo home.

I am serious, I believe that is why the NON elite or higher end schools have so much turnover, and lower grad rates for incoming freshman making it through the program.

On the football end any players reading the board, work hard this summer it pays off on the field. Come into camp in August in top shape ready to play and you will be rewarded.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 06, 2007, 12:00:37 AM
The bond between Adrian College and the City of Adrian is minimal at best.  Adrian is never the top bill for any sport, football, baseball, basketball it doesnt matter.  Often programs find themselves taking second billing to a game between two division 6 high school football programs or baseball, or softball.  When Adrian won its second MIAA baseball title it received a one paragraph column on the second page of the sport section.  Part of this is that Adrian appears to want little to do with the town.  I know in my 7 years there, the football program at least never did any community outreach such as reading in elemtary schools or anything of the sort, something that I did in highschool even.  Could a bond develop, it could will it, who knows.  There is some bad blood with highschool football fans in Adrian as by building our own stadium, we did not go in halves with Adrian High School to refurbish Maple Stadium.  Even on community day in Adrian we never drew much of a crowd.

I think the lack of community support would be common at DIII schools and the reason is simple.  It is hard to get behind a team of players from all across the state when you have your own highschool in town.  People in town dont know the players on the team like they do the highschools, they dont know the coaches like the highschool either.  The bond between a community and highschool I think will always be stronger than that of a DIII school and the town it is in.  I could be wrong and I would love to hear what anyone else has to say on that subject.

bulldogalum:

You always were a passionate fan and I agree with your assesment that Adrian has in the past been hurt by its large numbe rof leanwee students.  Not that they bring down the school, but rather that they make it a suitcase college with their constant trips home every weekend, thus making the student body population greatly reduced every weekend.  It will take many years to change the level of community involvment, I just hope the new administration understands that and is there long enough to make the change.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 06, 2007, 12:04:16 AM
iknowstuff:

I know for a fact that Coach Deere has been asked to get a resume and cover letter together for the defensive coordinator position.  He has been with Adrian for the last 14 years as the ILB or OLB  coach and is an amazing coach.  He currently works full time as an electrician but during the season still puts in about 40 hours a week coaching, gameplanning and doing everything a D coordinator would do.  He has coached numerous all league players and makes everyone he coaches much better.  He would be a great asset to bring in as a fulltime coach as he has a great passion for the job and would provide continuity for the program. 

As for who to contact I dont believe Klotz's resignation was immediate, if you had questions you can still contact him, if he is not available Coach Lyall should be reachable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 07, 2007, 05:31:22 PM
Took this from the main page:

"I'm most proud of the fact that we produced student athletes that played the game hard but also did well in school and contributed to the community," Zebrowski said. "We had relationships with Big Brothers & Big Sisters, the Boys & Girls Club and our players read at several elementary schools in the area. Our student-athletes learned how to give back to the community and I think that helped them create a stronger bond with Lakeland."

This is exactly the type of bond that is missing with Adrian.  When you reach out and do things like this, only good will come if and I think that is a lesson to be learned by all schools, not just Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 07, 2007, 06:17:51 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 07, 2007, 05:31:22 PM
Took this from the main page:

"I'm most proud of the fact that we produced student athletes that played the game hard but also did well in school and contributed to the community," Zebrowski said. "We had relationships with Big Brothers & Big Sisters, the Boys & Girls Club and our players read at several elementary schools in the area. Our student-athletes learned how to give back to the community and I think that helped them create a stronger bond with Lakeland."

This is exactly the type of bond that is missing with Adrian.  When you reach out and do things like this, only good will come if and I think that is a lesson to be learned by all schools, not just Adrian.

A side note on Lakeland. That football team was good enough to make the D3 Playoffs in '05, losing to Augustana, IL in the opening round. WLC will get the Muskies in football beginning in '08. The Warriors have been in a heated basketball rivalry with Lakeland for years in the LMC/NathCon--women having more success than men. Lakeland's volleyball and basketball teams have had awesome in-conference home records the last several years.

Just this poster's .04.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: iKNOWstuff on June 08, 2007, 06:54:38 AM
from what i heard coach embry may get the defensive coord. job at adrian.  coach deere would be able to get it but he is in the same position as klotz (a full time job).  i heard he has a interview sometime this week
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 08, 2007, 09:56:03 AM
What you hear and what I know are two differnt things.  Coach Deere would be willing to take the pay cut leave his job as an electrician and take that job, having just spoke with him on wednesday he told me this.  While Im sure that Coach Embry would do  a good job given the time, he does not bring the same experience to the table that Coach Deere does.  Either way I see them as needing to hire a guy from the program as an outside guy wont want to run a defense thats not his. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on June 08, 2007, 02:17:57 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 08, 2007, 09:56:03 AM
What you hear and what I know are two differnt things.  Coach Deere would be willing to take the pay cut leave his job as an electrician and take that job, having just spoke with him on wednesday he told me this.  While Im sure that Coach Embry would do  a good job given the time, he does not bring the same experience to the table that Coach Deere does.  Either way I see them as needing to hire a guy from the program as an outside guy wont want to run a defense thats not his. 


Just how much does the Adrian job pay?  Electricians make pretty good money, to take a pay cut like that Adrian may have to pony up a few bucks to make the pay cut blow a little softer.  Who are the other candidates for the job?  Are they program guys?  It looks like as a whole the Adrian staff is pretty young to begin with.  Could that have had something to do with why they finished 5-5 last season.  Youth is good to a point when you talk about motivation, excitement and passion.  But when it really comes down to crunch time is when you may suffer.  On the other hand, there are some great young coaches out there.  Klotz himself had a pretty solid defense most of his career, he could be no more than what 30 or 31?  Well anyway I wish the Bulldogs the best of luck in their search.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 08, 2007, 08:40:35 PM
Regarding the poll question I just put up, refer back to Reply #1188 on Page 80 of this board (Had I put this note in as part of the question, the question would have ran extremely long).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 08, 2007, 10:56:15 PM
The job at adrian from what i know of the guy they hired last year pays 35000 with 5% raises for the first three years.  Coach Deere has already stated he would take the pay cut which I believe he said would be around 17000.  The staff at Adrian is young because they want to have alot of turnover in the intern positions.  The idea by the president is to have three full time staff members and 4 interns who work full time for either 7500 or 15000 a year.  These positions are one year contracts that rotate so the trend would be to have youth in those positions. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAASUPERMAN on June 10, 2007, 01:48:37 AM
ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE.................why as an Alum of Adrian, and a recently x-employee do you speak so low of the institution?  Why do you have to air the college's information on d3football.com?  Are you upset that you were fired from the football staff this past winter?  Is that why you speak down on the college and some of the staff members?  Is this the only way that you can get back at the school for letting you go?  If you have that many regrets and problems about AC just let it go instead of giving the college bad publicity on here.  Please explain to me, because it is very disappointing as a parent of a future AC football recruit to read your posts on here every single week.  Some of which make no sense and are ridiculous in nature. 

The rest of the MIAA does not need to know about everything that you hear from a friend within the athletic department.  Nor is that info meant to be posted on this website or Mlive.com. 

Furthermore, my son was called last week about the change in coaches.  The coaching search is being opened up on a national level because the administration wants to bring in a top quality guy who has experience outside of AC.  That came directly from my son's mouth per one of the other assistants. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 10, 2007, 10:54:52 AM
Quote from: MIAASUPERMAN on June 10, 2007, 01:48:37 AM
Furthermore, my son was called last week about the change in coaches.  The coaching search is being opened up on a national level because the administration wants to bring in a top quality guy who has experience outside of AC.  That came directly from my son's mouth per one of the other assistants. 

If you have a son playing then why are you posting from the Adrian campus at 1:48 in the morning?

If you guys want to lie about who you are and all that, go post on footballscoop. We don't take that here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 10, 2007, 11:35:12 AM
MIAASUPERMAN:

FIrst off I would like to know in what way I have talked poorly of the program.  I have mentioned several apects of the new administration that no coach of a Division III institution should be subject to and furthermore I will post on here as I continue to do not as an ex coach, but as an Alumni.  If you for second presume you can understand the inner workings of what is currently going on at Adrian or for one second believe that I do not want to see the Adrian Football program succeed than you are dead wrong.  For 4 years I played for that program, sweat, bled and did more for it than you ever will.  I saw the program rise for a 2-8 doormat to an 8-2 contender my loyalty lies with the program, but in no way does this mean that I am fully in line with the new administration.  Furthermore I do not need to explain myself to you or anyone on my posts and if anything have been putting them up to give the members of this board and this website the best information possible that they deserve.  Never have I said that students should not go to Adrian or run down the program it is a fin program with fine coaches which I still support, rather it is the policies of the admin which I do not believe in and did not believe in when I was still employed at the college.  As for my Mlive comments I clarified what I meant with those and explained my stance for recruits and about the football program once I realized they could be taken in the wrong manner.  In hidnsight it was wrong of me to post on mlive and I was caught up in the lowbrow talk which I aplogized for.

If we want to talk about what comments I have made that speak down of Adrian I assume you are reffering to the posts about apathy from the students and a lack of involvement by Adrian in the community  and perhaps my preseason predictions.  The fact is that Adrians students are apathetic, but if your son chose Adrian or any DIII school to play in front of big crowds than he will be suprised.  This is a fact of the college and you and your son will find out about soon enough.  The comments about the lack of community involvment are true as well, but I would venture to say that they are true across the board at many DIII schools.  As for my preseason predicitons I foresaw a rough year coming even when there so if you think that is because of my leaving the program than you are also mistake.

On another note, we are all friends on this board, the conversation is cordial and personal attacks such as yours are exteremly rare.  I would say that you have already gotten off on the wrong foot as noted by Pat Colemans post to you.  As Pat pointed out it is also hihgly unlikely that you even have a son going to Adrian as you posted at 1:48am from the Adrian campus you are forgetting he can see the IP address.  Your type of post belongs more on Mlive than it does on this board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 10, 2007, 02:02:16 PM
DAWG certainly doesn't need my support but I'm going to give it.  You're out of line, MIAASUPERMAN.  If you're posting from the Adrian campus at 1:48 AM, you probably know who DAWG is, and you probably know who I am too.  If you don't, you could find out easily.  We don't hide behind our names here. 

DAWG has always been an honest poster, and his posts have consistently provided thoughtful analysis of MIAA football in general and Adrian football in particular.  He has been more critical of the administration than I have, but perhaps that is the case because I'm not in Adrian fulltime anymore. 

Don't for one second question his loyalty to the Adrian program.  This guy is as passionate a believer in Adrian College athletics as I've ever met, and I can guarantee you that he'll be at every game he can this season.

You, on the other hand, come on here and, without so much as establishing some sort of credible reputation, attempt to attack the character of one of the highly respected posters on this board.  You hold yourself out as a parent, but as Pat mentions, you're posting from the campus in the middle of the night.  Why don't you go back to mlive?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 12, 2007, 05:27:17 PM
MIAASUPERFAN:

Regardless of who you are (parent of prospective Adrian player or current player), you overlook a couple of simple facts and protocol.  First, all of us here on the MIAA board (whether former players or just alumni fans) have extreme pride in our alma maters.  Moreover, while everyone wants to see their colleges improve in many aspects, that does not mean that we always agree with the approaches that the respective administrations take in various areas to achieve the stated goals, whatever they may be (or for that matter, sometimes even the league administraton itself).  Indeed, we may perceive those as being totally opposite of what we personally would like to see; rare, but it does occur on some occasions (and I include myself in that aspect as well).  Secondly, everyone is entitled to their opinions, including you.  Yet even in differing opinions or dissent, courtesy protocol dictates avoidance of personal attacks.  As bulldogalum stated, you overstepped that boundary.  You can state your opinion including with zeal, in a respecful way even if it is a "180" from the others.

DAWG, bulldogalum, WCLalum, D306, ACRULZ and many others are veteran posters on our board and who I believe have been extremely respectful to others when posting their opinions about the various discussions here on this board.  We've had many discussion on many topics here over the recent years and season, and I dare say, I do not recall any of us having delved into a vehemently, personalized disagreement/argument with any of the others, even if we have differing opinions.  As a newcomer here, we welcome your input, opinions and contributions to the discussion, however, we ask that you do it in a respectful manner.  IMO, I would have to agree with bulldogalum that you owe DAWG an apology.  So please "knock it off, clean it up" and join us for some fun, insightful and meaningful discussion about our MIAA and related D3 fb topics.  BTW, just be thankful that we are not as "revengful" as some of the posters on other boards are. ;D ;)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on June 12, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
"BTW, just be thankful that we are not as "revengeful" as some of the posters on the other boards are"
Hehe, on the CCIW board we would have skinned you alive.  ;) 

We had a similar problem awhile back on the CCIW board with RedBus.  I think he made 4-5 posts, had a karma at -50 or so, and had no significant information to share.

Any more word(s) on who the MIAA favorite is this year?  I really am keeping my eyes on Olivet this year.  I think Coach Livedoti has a good group of returnees and the Comets will be a fast, physical group. 
Then there's always those Blue and Orange Dutch to keep close watch on right former?   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 12, 2007, 06:33:10 PM
79jaybird:

If you look back a couple pages, I have a pretty in depth analysis of the league as I see it, that could give you a decent look if you want to give it a gander.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on June 12, 2007, 07:08:46 PM
ADAWG:


I noticed the picture of the O-Line from Adrian under your screen name.  That was the 2003 team that only allowed one sack?  I could swear it was the 2002 team.  Did not DaRonco and Spence, graduate in 2002?  I could be wrong, I just remember following that team very closely.  That 2002 team really sparked the charge for Adrian's resurgence since 2002; although they only finished 6-4 or 7-3 if you count the forfeit from the K-Zoo game.

Also is there anymore word on Adrian's D-Coordinator search?  I haven't heard too much about the candidates? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 12, 2007, 07:37:32 PM
YOu are correct, thats a typo on my part it is the 2002 line.  I will ammend it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 12, 2007, 09:08:43 PM
The 2003 line wasn't half bad either, as I recall. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Brits39 on June 13, 2007, 09:05:19 AM
Just got caught up on everything that has been discussed in the last few pages. Has there been any official news or announcement's who Adrian is bringing in to interview for the DC job yet? Also Wow I didnt realize that there's been that many changes in staff over the last few years! :-\ Thats too bad I feel they had a good staff there when I played them. Well other than that information, I guess I'm just wondering if anyone knows if any of their guys stuck around campus to train with each other? Also does anyone think that this may be the Year that MIAA Champ will get pass the first round of the Playoff's? I myself hope that  Albion Wins, but if not I'll hope that whoever it is can make it past the first round for the MIAA and represent us well.

Pound Purple Pound!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on June 13, 2007, 01:20:04 PM
ADawgisadawgforlife-  Thank you and yes I agree with your predictions.  I took a look at your blog and found myself agreeing with the majority of your forecast. 
Looking at the Elmhurst/Olivet game from 2006  I think if Olivet doesn't put themselves behind the 8 ball with those 3 turnovers in the beginning, the game might have had a different outcome.  Tough to recover when you hand the ball to the other team in the red zone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 14, 2007, 11:13:55 AM
Random Thoughts

Does anyone know how the NEW President at Albion feels about sports.

Looking at the FB season, it looks pretty open as to whom may win league.

Olivet and Hope return a lot of players from their league leading teams last year.
No offense but neither looked like a dominate team, I think a few of the other teams could step up and take the conference this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 14, 2007, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: D306 on June 14, 2007, 11:13:55 AM
Does anyone know how the NEW President at Albion feels about sports.

Totally secondhand information, but from what I heard, the new president is not particularly interested in athletics.  Don't know much more than that, if I hear anything I'll let you know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 15, 2007, 12:41:39 AM
From what I have heard at the least he has a much better relationship with Rundle.  That is to say he isnt overbearing and anti football like the previous president.  Even disinterest at this point would be an improvement over the last guy at Albion.  The longer they can keep Rundle around the more success they will have.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 15, 2007, 02:37:06 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 15, 2007, 12:41:39 AM
From what I have heard at the least he has a much better relationship with Rundle.  That is to say he isnt overbearing and anti football like the previous president.  Even disinterest at this point would be an improvement over the last guy at Albion.  The longer they can keep Rundle around the more success they will have.

he would be a she, and she hasn't moved into her office yet.

http://www.albion.edu/ac_news/releases2006-07/randallannouncement.asp
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 15, 2007, 09:12:33 AM
So sorry on that mistake, but the rest of my post holds true at least from the intial meetings between the two.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: iKNOWstuff on June 15, 2007, 01:39:35 PM
another recruit for adrian college is QB Mike McGee,Brookhaven (Columbus, Ohio)
google him you should be able to find him
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 18, 2007, 11:22:55 PM
I see that Olivet is adding onto the Campus.

New track and some Campus improvements.

Good to see.

Any improvement is an improvement for all the conference.

This goes with the New BB Coach, Olivet is on the move.

Be interesting if the FB team can keep the energy and level of play from last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on June 19, 2007, 02:48:17 PM
I agree.  Olivet seems to be putting a lot of effort into improving their overall athletics program.  Men's swimming took the conference the last 2 years, the FB program has been doing well, as have the golf teams, and track is improving also.  Bringing in a BBall coach that is a proven winner and good recruiter, and Olivet will no longer be a bottom dweller as far as all sports awards/commissioner cup is concerned.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on June 20, 2007, 09:49:18 AM
The Olivet improvements are a welcome sight.  Olivet, MI is a pretty part of the world/state, very relaxed, picturesque, and good people living there. Last year when we were up there, I had the chance to tour the campus and community,  and was really caught up with the fine architecture and history surrounding the college.  The improvements to the Comets' Athletic Teams just add to the overall makeup of the college.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 21, 2007, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: 79jaybird on June 20, 2007, 09:49:18 AM
The Olivet improvements are a welcome sight.  Olivet, MI is a pretty part of the world/state, very relaxed, picturesque, and good people living there. Last year when we were up there, I had the chance to tour the campus and community,  and was really caught up with the fine architecture and history surrounding the college.  The improvements to the Comets' Athletic Teams just add to the overall makeup of the college.

Beautifull Eaton County!   ;D

This makes me so happy, I grew up 15 minutes up the road..........well up the road, over a couple miles and then back up the road but anyway.......your one of the few who's expressed this opinion.


I bet it makes a few people chuckle though.  ;) :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on June 21, 2007, 04:04:59 PM
Having grown up in suburban Chicago with the city's skyline as a backdrop, I love a relaxed, rural setting!  I like the fact that you have the city gathering around the college and attending the Comets' games as the town's "main event".  We don't get that here because in Chicago, you have so many sporting events/teams to choose from.  Olivet has something very special.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 22, 2007, 12:05:08 PM
I think I know the answer to this question but maybe I will get Lucky.

I was reading the Pre Season football Mags.
Listing the major D1 colleges, anybody know a magazine or website that discusses D3?

Reading the College and Pro Mags. has me excited for a new season.

Now that Hockey and the most over rated sport in the World (THE NBA) is done not much news out there.

I love my Tigers  ( baseball) but it is not a do or die situaction like most football games, 1 game can make a huge difference in the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on June 22, 2007, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: D306 on June 22, 2007, 12:05:08 PM
I think I know the answer to this question but maybe I will get Lucky.

I was reading the Pre Season football Mags.
Listing the major D1 colleges, anybody know a magazine or website that discusses D3?

Reading the College and Pro Mags. has me excited for a new season.

Now that Hockey and the most over rated sport in the World (THE NBA) is done not much news out there.

I love my Tigers  ( baseball) but it is not a do or die situaction like most football games, 1 game can make a huge difference in the season.


Easy on the basketball comments D3!  Lol!  I love a good basketball game from time to time.  I don't know about it being overrated.  But anyway, I agree I am getting very excited about the upcoming season.  It is good to see that Olivet is upgrading their campus.  Also, I looked at Hope's new weight room for the first time on the internet...UNBELIEVABLE!!!  For a D3 that is great, seems like Hope has set the bar pretty high.  I also heard a rumor that they are going to build a new stadium, is that true?  Any new news on Adrian's D-Coordinator job?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2007, 01:33:28 PM
Quote from: D306 on June 22, 2007, 12:05:08 PM
I think I know the answer to this question but maybe I will get Lucky.

I was reading the Pre Season football Mags.
Listing the major D1 colleges, anybody know a magazine or website that discusses D3?

There's a site called D3football.com which might be of some interest. :)

Seriously, though, we're the place. We also do a preseason publication online that covers all 240 teams the way the big mags do Division I-A. Look for more about it later in the summer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 22, 2007, 02:33:42 PM
Pat

No disrespect implied by my post.   :-[

I was actually looking for Print media IE: magazines.


I found your site just prior to last season and enjoyed the pre season previews.

I have been commenting on this site for a little while now and enjoy the information. Best part about the site is no " running of the mouth" like so many other sports websites.

Keep up the good work.

Now can I remove foot from my mouth or did I just switch feet?  LOL  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 22, 2007, 02:59:32 PM
Excellent. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 22, 2007, 06:05:17 PM
Adrian has interviewed two current staffers and is looking to interview two more outside the program.  The search was kept inside the midwest from what I understand.  The decision I believe is to be made at some point in early July and it is my speculation that the farther along it gets into the summer the more likely they are to hire one of the coaches that has already worked at Adrian.  My money would be on Coach Deere if anyone were taking bets as he has done much of the defensive coordinating work for the last several years and has been with the program for 15years. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 22, 2007, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on June 22, 2007, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: D306 on June 22, 2007, 12:05:08 PM
I think I know the answer to this question but maybe I will get Lucky.

I was reading the Pre Season football Mags.
Listing the major D1 colleges, anybody know a magazine or website that discusses D3?

Reading the College and Pro Mags. has me excited for a new season.

Now that Hockey and the most over rated sport in the World (THE NBA) is done not much news out there.

I love my Tigers  ( baseball) but it is not a do or die situaction like most football games, 1 game can make a huge difference in the season.


Easy on the basketball comments D3!  Lol!  I love a good basketball game from time to time.  I don't know about it being overrated.  But anyway, I agree I am getting very excited about the upcoming season.  It is good to see that Olivet is upgrading their campus.  Also, I looked at Hope's new weight room for the first time on the internet...UNBELIEVABLE!!!  For a D3 that is great, seems like Hope has set the bar pretty high.  I also heard a rumor that they are going to build a new stadium, is that true?   Any new news on Adrian's D-Coordinator job?

This would be news to me, they are building permanent seating for their baseball and softball fields.............where they'll actually be Stadiums when done.   Holland Municipal Stadium is far from being antiquated (sp?), its actually a  very nice stadium the only problem is the field which is grass and overused with Holland HS football.  There really is no need to build a new stadium, and I'm sure ranks near the bottom of on campus needs.

But then there is a giant open field in front of DeVos Fieldhouse, so who knows. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on June 23, 2007, 03:56:17 PM
Can someone tell me why Olivet has stuck with Dom?

They had gold with Irv Sigler and due to health he had to retire--but why Dom? Why not someone that could have kept the offense that was running wild in the league?

Side Question:
What has happen to the MIAA--no real playoff success since Pete and the Albion glory days--what gives?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 23, 2007, 05:17:45 PM
Quote from: sac on June 22, 2007, 07:28:40 PM
But then there is a giant open field in front of DeVos Fieldhouse, so who knows. :)

That would ruin the whole image of the place, just like adding much needed parking spaces. ;D

Quote from: rome on June 23, 2007, 03:56:17 PM
Can someone tell me why Olivet has stuck with Dom?

They had gold with Irv Sigler and due to health he had to retire--but why Dom? Why not someone that could have kept the offense that was running wild in the league?

You mean aside from the fact that they finished tied for second in the league last season?  ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 23, 2007, 11:29:28 PM
Rome:

I agree a big part of the problem Olivet has is that their offense which had been dominant for the last several years and really took a dive when Livedotti decided to go to the pro set instead of the straight T that olivet had been running.  I think part of the decision was the loss of the leagues best full back which really hinders the offense.  I have always made the argument that with their mentality they should be able to do whatever they want on offense from a physical standpoint and that they have the athletes, it appears they lack imagination and a QB however.   The defense has been top notch and looks to be again next season. 

I would say the reason they kept livedotti was for continuity.  It would be a tough transition to go through head coaches as it always is and it is the comfortable move to go with someone you know and who is already there.  I think it was more of a comfort zone thing than anything.  From what I have heard however, Livedotti was not Irv's choice and when Olivet broached the idea of having Irv back for a game and ceremony, he said he wouldnt come back while livedotti was there.  I dont know how much truth there is to that, just secondhand info.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: INQBScout on June 24, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
Street and Smith's Preseason Top 25 has Hope at #19.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 24, 2007, 08:37:02 PM
Great to see Hope ranked.

I trust that means a competitive team if they get to the playoffs.
The MIAA needs a win bad in the playoffs.

The league champion somehow needs to get ranked a little higher so it is not a Trip to Mount Union for the first round game.

MIAA needs a good out of conference showing.
There is some good quality teams in the out of conference schedule lets hope for a few wins for the conference.

Season is getting close another month and camp begins.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on June 24, 2007, 10:11:40 PM
AGREED!!!  The MIAA needs a win in the playoffs bad!!!  I think the race is going to be wide open however.  Adrian, Albion, Alma, Hope and Olivet are all in the running for league champ I believe.  A couple of those teams (including Adrian) underachieved last season.  It will be interesting to see how these teams respond this season.  Who knows, maybe Tri-State of KZoo can through a wrench in the plans.  I am getting very excited for what should be a very interesting season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on June 25, 2007, 10:54:56 AM
Does the MIAA plan on acquiring a new school once WLC leaves next year?
Hope at #19 very good.  We should get a good "playoff caliber" showdown when Hope plays Wheaton in the non-conference.  Wheaton is our conference favorite and IMO, should go undefeated in conference play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 25, 2007, 12:33:11 PM
Hope is handsdown the best team in the league with all the retuners they have coming back, they deserve that #19 ranking and will play to or above that level.  I expect a much better non league season from them this year, last year was a bit rough, but the talent level was high.  The year of experience their starters now have in playing teams like that will pay off.  The only problem they will face in getting a good seed is the OAC power block in seeding that always wants to put their number 2 or 3 abouve the MIAA number one.  Dean Kreps actually talked about this two years ago at the MIAA coaches meeting after the season. 

79jaybird: 

I Dont believe there is a plan to bring another team in to replace WLC after they leave.  With the addition of Tri State it pushed the league to 8 teams so when we lose WLC we will have 7 and still get the AQ for the playoffs.  I cant think of any team that makes a ton of sense to add in the league either from a location stand poiint.  The idea I always thought would be interesting would be a merger between the MIAA and the UAA it would raise the number of teams in the new confrence to 11(after WLC leaves) and they are all in the same region so travel wouldnt be to bad.  The schools are all the same size and have the same type mission statements and it would give the UAA teams a crack at an AQ as well.  Carnegie Mellon did get in last year, but it was no AQ.  I dont know the odds of that ever happening, but its just something i saw that would be interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on June 25, 2007, 05:10:55 PM
ADAWG- Thank you and you strike up an interesting point.  Certainly Case, Carnegie Mellon, UChicago,  are all relatively closeby.  I have often wondered why Chicago doesn't try to enter the CCIW as they are pretty close to North Park, Elmhurst, Wheaton, and North Central.
Doubtful that Chicago would get into the CCIW seeing as how Benedictine's attempt/bid a few years ago was denied.
Besides Hope, who would be the second favorite to be near the top?  Alma Albion?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 25, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
The UAA is an academic conference, the only MIAA school that even belongs in the same breath as the UAA schools metioned is Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2007, 06:10:52 PM
Quote from: sac on June 25, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
The UAA is an academic conference, the only MIAA school that even belongs in the same breath as the UAA schools metioned is Kalamazoo.

And then only if they can claim WMU's research as their own!  UAA consists of major, private research universities.

Chicago would not be a fit in that sense for the CCIW either.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 25, 2007, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2007, 06:10:52 PM
Quote from: sac on June 25, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
The UAA is an academic conference, the only MIAA school that even belongs in the same breath as the UAA schools metioned is Kalamazoo.

And then only if they can claim WMU's research as their own!  UAA consists of major, private research universities.

Chicago would not be a fit in that sense for the CCIW either.
Quote from: sac on June 25, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
The UAA is an academic conference, the only MIAA school that even belongs in the same breath as the UAA schools metioned is Kalamazoo.

You both have points, however, some people would legitimatly differ with you on that.  Hope has for years been a leader in annually receiving extremely important national research grants for sciences (for example chemistry, biology, etc., ) for some important US government research projects; in addition, Hope has had numerous profs appointed as major advisors to government administrators, including the President and others in the White House.  Obviously, the UAA has the well deserved reputation as major private research universities as has been noted, however, Hope (and Kazoo I presume) while less known on a common "national basis" indeed have been in these categories (perhaps not in the overall total $ count, but for sure a leader in such grants).  Just my $0.02 worth ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 25, 2007, 08:00:53 PM
Believe the UAA has an urban setting requirement as well.

signed,
Hillbilly Jim
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 25, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
Glad to see Hope ranked, however, not sure about that totally.  Also, as DAWG has mentioned, there are no plans to add another school to the MIAA in football at present.  Several of us had discussed this a couple of years ago or so when the Tri-State, WCL issues were in the "changing plans".  Calvin was approached about starting a football program, but refuses to do so (I will not bring up that "sore matter" again ;D, although I personally disagree with that decision, but my opinion doesn't count nor carry any weight whatsoever ;D).  Other schools who might fit with the conference would be Spring Arbor or Concordia (Ann Arbor), however, they have no interest in starting football programs either.  The only other possibility would be Hillsdale (who as most of you know was a charter member of the MIAA and in until 1960), however, they prefer to stay at the DII level and rightly so.  Thus, the MIAA will be staying the same for at least quite some time, yet at least the AQ has been preserved and that was the goal with regard to the original expansion beginning with the Defiance trial.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 25, 2007, 08:15:19 PM
Quote from: MacLeod on June 25, 2007, 08:00:53 PM
Believe the UAA has an urban setting requirement as well.

signed,
Hillbilly Jim

Another good point MacLeod.

Signed,
Dennis Grady
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2007, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 25, 2007, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2007, 06:10:52 PM
Quote from: sac on June 25, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
The UAA is an academic conference, the only MIAA school that even belongs in the same breath as the UAA schools metioned is Kalamazoo.

And then only if they can claim WMU's research as their own!  UAA consists of major, private research universities.

Chicago would not be a fit in that sense for the CCIW either.
Quote from: sac on June 25, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
The UAA is an academic conference, the only MIAA school that even belongs in the same breath as the UAA schools metioned is Kalamazoo.

You both have points, however, some people would legitimatly differ with you on that.  Hope has for years been a leader in annually receiving extremely important national research grants for sciences (for example chemistry, biology, etc., ) for some important US government research projects; in addition, Hope has had numerous profs appointed as major advisors to government administrators, including the President and others in the White House.  Obviously, the UAA has the well deserved reputation as major private research universities as has been noted, however, Hope (and Kazoo I presume) while less known on a common "national basis" indeed have been in these categories (perhaps not in the overall total $ count, but for sure a leader in such grants).  Just my $0.02 worth ;)

Hope (and presumably Kazoo, as well as some CCIW schools - IWU for sure, don't know which others) does indeed do some excellent research, but for better or for worse (IMO, for better!) are primarily liberal arts teaching colleges, not research universities.  Your highlighted sentence kind of gives it away: while doing excellent research, how can they be 'leaders' if not in the $ count?  That points to where the emphasis is.

Quote from: MacLeod on June 25, 2007, 08:00:53 PM
Believe the UAA has an urban setting requirement as well.

signed,
Hillbilly Jim

I'm not sure that is a formal requirement, but it does seem to be the case.  The only d3 schools I can think of that would fit the UAA 'profile' (urban or not) would be Caltech (I suspect the UAA may already be far-flung enough!) and Johns Hopkins (do I recall correctly that they once WERE UAA - was their d1 status in lacrosse an issue?).  Most (if not all) NESCAC schools (and MANY other individual schools) are certainly the UAA's equal in academics (i.e., average SAT scores, etc.), but I can't think of any others with the research emphasis.  And, despite being a retired professor specializing in statistics and research methodology, that is NOT a defect of the other schools!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2007, 11:47:39 PM
There's talk of Tufts and Catholic U. as UAA profile institutions as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 25, 2007, 11:51:20 PM
formerd3db:

Good to see you around, I havent read a post of yours in a while.  I dont know that the MIAA would want to see Hillsdale come back to the fold.  They far outweigh any MIAA school in funding and their facilities are top of the line which would be a huge edge in recruiting.  The only drawback they would suffer would be like Kzoo in that they have incredibly high academic standards and that would lose them some recruits.  The thing that would help is that they are already recruiting MIAA type kids, I know that I and some of the other Adrian coaches had some down to the wire recruiting battles with Hillsdale.  Their coaching staff would be another excellent asset as they are all great coaches, that is the only reason they win 5 games a year, its not necesarily the talent.

For the argument of the academic confrence, as much as that is the case, the confrence alignment is for athletics over anything else.  The fact that they are all small private colleges is the key.  I will grant that all 4 UAA schools trump many of the schools in the MIAA in academics, but for sure Hope and Kzoo are up there with them.  For athletics it would seem to be a good fit as both confrences would receive some new blood and competition, Im sure Carnegie Melon would have been quite a challenge in the MIAA(the game film I broke down on them was impressive).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 26, 2007, 12:45:39 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2007, 11:47:39 PM
There's talk of Tufts and Catholic U. as UAA profile institutions as well.

I confess that I didn't know either of them had that degree of research emphasis.  Is this a hint that either is considering such a move (or just an observation regarding their orientation)?

[And apologies to MIAA posters for temporarily hijacking the board!]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 26, 2007, 10:22:58 AM


Question a little off topic of Football but about the MIAA Sports all the same.

I have a daughter whom has the grades to get into most any college she is considering, her decision is if she wants to stay here in Michigan or go out of state.

Secondly is to play Softball or not and at what level.

If she chooses to stay local it is U of M or a MIAA school she thinks ( at least today, Teenage girls!!! ) No real playing time at U of M IF BIG IF she makes the team. What MIAA school has the best Softball program? ( I think Alma has been on a run recently) She is looking at Hope, Kazoo, and  possibly Albion academically. Hillsdale is an outside chance for GLIAC school.

She has not filed with the NCAA yet, still up and down about playing in College. Wants to Study abroad and Intern if at all possible.

I have spoken with her about needing to focus on what she wants to acheive in College. Something has to give.
I will support either path she chosses and help her reach these goals if I can.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2007, 01:31:06 PM
I have no info on either seeking a move. Catholic was more of the talk when Johns Hopkins was playing its half-UAA schedule, but I think it was an athletic department desire that the university administration wouldn't fund.

New university administration must be willing to fund something, since Landmark travel will be more costly than CAC travel.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 26, 2007, 07:05:44 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Good to hear from you, friend.  I understand your points.  Just some brief follow-up comments.  For Hope, it has never been about the $, but rather the pride in the fact that its well known science, pre-professional programs (and to some extent its religious and politcal programs) are annually awarded research grants for a long time.  Also, it is conceivable that a school could be a leader in research by the number of grants it receives and yet not be the leader in total $ received for those.  Admittedly, I do not know the totals off-hand for Hope, nor am I suggesting that is the case with them.  However, my point was simply that compared to other MIAA schools and schools its size, Hope is a nationally recognized leader in research grants and variety of types.  Also, neither Hope nor any other MIAA school sees itself in the category as the UAA research universities.  As you pointed out, Hope and the MIAA schools are liberal arts teaching colleges and always will be and will always promote themselves in that light with regard to research grants, etc.  As for the athletics comparison UAA/MIAA are entirely different stories/approach. ;D

As to whoever gave me the "neg" karma; I suspect it was for the Calvin comment (although perhaps it could have been for the above discussion topic).  Regardless, that was opinion with no personal attacks or negative conotations and as such a neg karma is out-of-line.  I even posted a  ;D for levity.  Come on, people, chill out.  I don't do that to any of you for such reasons.

DAWG:
Good to hear from you as well.  Indeed, I have not been as active in posting of recent here on the board - a lot is going on in my life right now (but then, it is as well for everyone else here I know!).  At any rate, I agree with your assessment on Hillsdale.  Like you mention about Adrian, I know they have competed against Hope for some of the same football recruits.  However, recruits still see Hillsdale as the next level DII despite Hillsdale still having many of the same attributes that our MIAA DIII schools have.  Hillsdale itself will never return because they want to continue to be at their current perceived DII level and it is a very good college.  BTW, in a related topic, a UAA/MIAA combination will never occur either.  Nonetheless, camparisons make for great conversation/discussions on here.  Take care and keep in touch.

D306:

Indeed, Alma has had the best softball program in the league in the last decade or so.  Coach Denny Griffin has taken them to the next level to where they are nationally recognized almost annually now.  They should have won the national title 4-5 years ago or so when they made it to the final four.  Of course, Hope and Kazoo as you mention (and also Calvin and Olivet) have good programs - heck all the MIAA schools do.  Coach Farnum at Olivet has tremendously improved that program and taken it to another level.  They will have new facilities soon there to continue their athletic complex upgrade.  Hope, of course, will have the best softball complex stadium in the league as it's new concourse is under construciton (see their website for details).

While Hope (and the other MIAA schools) have opportunities for overseas study, of course, Kazoo is the recognized leader in that aspect.  As for comparing big vs. small schools, obviously if you daughter was to go to a U of M and make the team, the experience and atmosphere is entirely different as you well know.  I would opt for the DIII experience, but obviously, she has to make up here own mind.  IMO, campus visits and "the tour" are a MUST.  Go walk the campuses, meet with the coaches and current student-athletes as well as academic advisors, see the facilities - we took our daughter on this type tour several times for various schools in 3 different states - 13 schools in 2 1/2 days on one trip.  That is the only way to compare; it will also come down to her deciding if she wants to make the commitment to do both athletics/academics.  A big time commitment, but much fun and a life preparing experience in many ways if one chooses to do it.  Anyway, all best wishes to her (and you) in going through the process as she eventually makes her decision.  Please keep us posted.

Well, all, I guess I've managed to make this long enough.  That should make up for the lag in the recent past, now, shouldn't it DAWG?!!! ;)  Talk to you all later.

Your colleague/friend,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 26, 2007, 07:13:26 PM
formerd3db:

How do you give people Karma?  I have seen the numbers and wondered how that works.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 26, 2007, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 26, 2007, 07:13:26 PM
formerd3db:

How do you give people Karma?  I have seen the numbers and wondered how that works.

See FAQ.  After 200 posts, you will be given 'applaud' and 'smite' buttons, so karma comes from fellow, longer-term posters.  In principle, it could be a great tool for rewarding civility and insights, or curbing boorishness.  In practice, snce it is anonymous and not tied to specific posts, it all-too-often gives rise to petty vendettas.  (Especially with Hope and Calvin, SOME posters from each camp seem to almost reflexively 'smite' the 'foe' and 'applaud' the 'ally'.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 26, 2007, 08:13:05 PM
Ah, I see.  Thats the real negative to when they switched systems for the message boards and I did not activate my username fast enough to save all my posts.  It dropped me right back to square one, but seeing as I was in season  at the time, I didnt even realize it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2007, 08:27:40 PM
Research universities, doc, probably requires being a university. Mentioning Hope in that same class is a stretch and you know it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on June 26, 2007, 08:36:44 PM
DAWG:

I totally agree with you on the Hillsdale situation.  Their coaching staff is excellent and they do a lot of things to reduce the obvious mismatches that they incur each week.  As for coming down to D III, I also highly doubt that.  They manage only to win 4 or 5 games a year in the GLIAC.  You would think at some point in time that the players would get sick of playing to get 5 wins and would want to play for a championship and an opportunity to play in the playoffs.  But I guess that allure to some kids about being "scholarship athletes" is more important than actually competing and playing on a winning team, no matter what division.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 26, 2007, 09:47:42 PM
ACRULZ:

I can tell you that certainly the allure of being a "DII" player will make a kid go to a program without a chance at a championship.  After two years of recruiting and talking to other coaches, you lose players every year to measley 500 dollar scholarships or even to academic scholarships to DII's just so the players can say tehy are DII or that they "signed".  Its really a shame.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 27, 2007, 12:31:16 AM
D3DB


Thanks for the info.
Coming into Senior year, so we will see more this summer with College Exposure tournements and Senior year of school and season.

Had a very good Junior year and summer so far, so the interest in playing is peaking.

Have had some contact for schools, both Athletically and Academically after the SAT, MEAP and ACT testing.

Consulor at HS have been talking up a couple MIAA schools, as well as Hillsdale if she choses to stay in state and not to go to U of M.

Consulor is Kazoo grad and feels, for intern and /or Study Abroad Kazoo is the way to go. I do not know much about Kazoo except Academics are high and Reputation is good for graduates.
We liked Hope when seeing some FB games there and the Academics are solid.
We have family experience with Albion so we feel good about them also.

Will have visting all the schools by the end of fall.

For all the talking she could end up at Georgetown if she gets in, we are told it is tough to be accepted grades or not. Gtown, Notre Dame and BC are the prime out of State choices, all are tough to get into so can not put all the hope in getting in.


Well I posted way to much on my little world.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 27, 2007, 12:36:09 AM
DAWG

I can attest to your comments about, players choosing DII offers, even small offers just to say they are on Scholarship.


I know too many kids that have made that choice, and end up at a school that is not right for them, and they get no playing time to boot.

Pretty sad, need to pick the right school for you, the chances of ever going any farther after College are very slim. Take the best Education, or location for you is my advice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 27, 2007, 01:23:30 AM
D306:

The best piece of advice I got when I was being recruited was from Coach Pierce at Ferris State.  I had been offered a partial ride to go there as well as a couple other DII's and was having a difficult time making a choice.  His advice was "Dont go where you are getting the most money, dont go where you think you will play the most, thats not whats most important.  Go to the school that fits you best and makes you comfortable."  When it was put to me that way, DIII was really the way to go, the money would have been great and I could have won some championships, but I would never have traded my experience at Adrian for a championship or a scholarship, the fact is that DIII is a unique experience that I think everyone should get a chance to live through, I tried to convey that in recruiting but some kids dont listen, it is just their loss.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 27, 2007, 07:04:47 PM
Pat:
You are right and I agree with you.  The point that I was simply trying to make (although obviously rather poorly worded and my apologies) was that a school like Hope has a tremendous history of high quality and nationally recognized research grants in several areas, perhaps more so than many other schools of its own type.  I was not trying to put them in the category of the research universities as we know them and the accepted genre for those.  I could have done a better job in explaining that position I guess, and my opinion was not intended as a slight in any way towards those research universities.

D306:

Thanks for sharing and, no, you did not post too much about "your own little world".  I think everyone here enjoys hearing and sharing about each other's personal and family experiences in DIII.  That's part of what these boards are about and Pat and staff have provided us a wonderful opportunity to do so.

DAWG:

Ditto yours.  Each player has to make their own decision obviously.  For some, just being on the team at a DI school and perhaps getting the opportunity to play a few plays and/or on special teams in their careers is their goal and satisfying to them.  There is nothing wrong with that.  However, like you, while I had a chance to do that, I wouldn't trade my DIII experience athletically and/or academically - I do it all over again.  The key, I believe, is that it comes down to narrowing one's choices down to schools that will fit their academic aspirations/goals as well as one where they will have a realistic chance at having some decent playing time.  Of course, anything can happen and it can turn out great or sour at any level.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 27, 2007, 08:38:39 PM
I heard the numbers are low at Kalamazoo for Football players.

Can anyone confirm this? I know watching them play VS. Albion last year the squad was not large in numbers.

I understand Kazoo has higher acceptance standards but is that the only reason?
They are a long time member of MIAA, I hope they can return to bigger numbers and that will result in more consistant teams.

Kazoo has some very strong teams in other sports so I am wondering why the low numbers in Football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 27, 2007, 09:31:37 PM
D306:

Since you are newer to our board, you may not be aware of that this topic has been discussed in the past by our colleagues here.  However, it is always good to "revisit" and rediscuss a topic.  For sure, numbers for football at Kazoo have returned to taking a downslide of recent.  When Kazoo played at Hope last fall, the Hope program listed 55 players on the roster at Kazoo (and it is my understanding that this was not the travel roster but the full roster).  Coach Brooks has been attempting to improve the program and we all know that it takes a few years to improve a program let alone "turn it around".  With the various coaching changes at Kazoo in recent years (both in head coach and assistant coaching positions), it has been a somewhat slower progress to say the least.

Moreover, Kazoo's academic faculty (not all, but most) has never been high supporters of the football program, let alone the intercollegiate athletic program as a whole except perhaps the nationally renowned tennis program and that not overwhelmingly? (all this according to various alumni that we've all talked with, know, and/or even those who have posted here).  There was some gleam of hope recently as 3-4 years ago when Kazoo upset Wabash in fb and also had +4000 people in attendance at its Homecoming game vs. Hope at Angell Stadium Field.  However, it has been a tough road since.

Kazoo is indeed a great academic institution as you and others have pointed out and many people know.  It also has a great athletic history including in football and many of us would like to see them return to an upper tier in that.  While they will never be a powerhouse, being a competitive program is not impossible as Olivet has proven in recent years.  But, of course, it is not easy.  Hopefully, they will improve in time - whether or not Brooks is the one who will be able to lead them to it is difficult to say.  Time will tell and I hope he can.  Another tidbit which has been previously discussed:  while they have made some improvements to Angell, they are in desparate need of continuing that further i.e. like synthetic turf, new seating in the home hill stands and a new press box.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 27, 2007, 09:34:04 PM
From simply watching the sidelines (and being too lazy to check the rosters), I'd be willing to bet Kzoo has fewer players than most of the other MIAA schools.  Part of that is due to their high admissions standards, but I also think the school administration might not support its football program (and indeed, its athletic programs--minus tennis) as well as some other MIAA schools, especially regarding recruiting budgets.  High academic standards + small recruiting budget = small rosters.  Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on June 27, 2007, 09:35:43 PM
looks like we were posting at the same time, d3db.  My post was wasted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 27, 2007, 10:07:19 PM
Kzoo is also victim of a quota system from what I have heard.  In talking with Coach Rogers(previous coach) they were only allowed to bring in a certain number of players in realtion to the size of the class.  That makes recruiting classes in the 20-25 range which is not enough to compete at a high level unless you string together a couple great classes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 28, 2007, 08:25:59 AM
Thanks for info.

Too bad, smart kids play football too. :D

I can not see how having quality football players or for that matter a 40 - 50 man recruit class lowers the quality of school. It is not like Albion, Hope, Wheaton, Carnegie Melon or numeous other D3 schools are easy to meet the entrance requirements.

If the Academic requirements are held high, Kazoo can still maintain their well earned Reputation while still enjoying a Spirit and school pride sport.
Football and/or any sport teachs and provide quite a bit more than just another sport to the Colleges and the students themselves.

The lessons learned playing a sport while excelling in College Academics, is a life leasson that prepares students for being productive leaders in the future.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 28, 2007, 10:32:25 AM
I never understood the need for a quota if it exsists nor do I see how it is so hard for Kzoo to bring kids in.  The conversation I had with Coach Rogers was at a recruiting night after he had left for Depauw, I asked him if it was any easier recruiting there and he said no, he still needed 3.7's and 27's.  This is no different than Kzoo and Depauw brings in very good recruiting classes and is competitve at a national level.  I would love to see a stronger Kzoo team and another legit contender every year, I can attest from experience that when the stars line up and Kzoo has some good players in their system, they can play the spoiler and be competitive with the top teams in the league.  I just dont know that with the numbers and depth issues that they will ever be able to get over just playing spoiler.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 28, 2007, 01:12:57 PM
bulldog, DAWG, and D306:

I agree with you.  I've never understood the quotas either.  The Ivy Group has those, but that, as we know, is a different story.  I agree that I don't see where not having quotas would hurt Kazoo.  In fact, Hope's admissions standards are even getting tougher.  They have had almost 2800 applications for the about 720 freshman slots for this upcoming school year (i.e. this fall's entering class), and I know of kids who have 3.7 GPA and/or higher and have high SAT scores and they are not getting admitted.  It is becoming very competitive.  Yet, Hope is still competitive in athletics high admissions standards and no-quotas.  Seems Kazoo could do it too without sacrificing their high reputation and associated standards.  As you say, you have to have decent #'s to be at least competitive - if not for the "body count" i.e. having enough players to scrimmage at the very least! ;D (although Coach G at St. John's would argue with that ;)) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 28, 2007, 01:16:33 PM
Actually, I meant to type in that I know of some prospective students with 3.8 and 3.9's with high SATs that are not getting admitted there. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on June 28, 2007, 05:02:11 PM
D3DB:

I agree that Hope is a great academic school, however I do not believe that it sits on the same pedestal as Kalamazoo academically.  I also have knowledge of a few kids who applied to Hope and were accepted with far less than a 3.7 and a above average test score.  I am not trying to bash Hope here but I just want to make the point that in terms of academic prestige Kalamazoo far exceeds that of Hope and any other school in the MIAA.  Depending on K-zoo's leadership, they may feel that more of a commitment to athletics may take away some of that prestige academically.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 28, 2007, 05:35:19 PM
Depends on any one individual's perception.  Also, I don't think Hope wants to be "on the same pedestal as Kazoo" -  moreover, they don't need to, nor is there any reason to do so.  I'm not bashing Kazoo either, however, I will take Hope's atmosphere of academics/athletics any day over one like Kazoo's.  Indeed, Kazoo is a tremendous academic school, yet, my education at Hope (and my daughter's) was responsible for placing me right up with anyone in any program with respect to my career (and I do not consider myself an academian by any means) and without a doubt is what landed her her job in her field among many competitors.  As you say, Kazoo may feel that more commitment/attention to athetics may take away some of their academica presitige; they may perceive that, yet in reality, it won't take away the opportunities for it's student-athletes to go on in their chosen careers whatsoever.  But, to each it's own; Kazoo's "powers that be" will do what they want and what they see as best for their school - but, with the current approach, as everyone has said, they'll never attain the level that a Hope, Albion, or Calvin will in athletics overall.  Still, they are a valuable part of the MIAA.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 29, 2007, 09:50:58 AM
Adrian College has named Jim Deere the new defensive coordinator.   Coach Deere has been at Adrian for the last 14 years and has coached linebackers with great results as well as having tremendous input on game planning, and all other aspects of the defense as well as calling the defenses for the last several years from the booth.  He will be a great addition to the staff and be able to do even more for the team now that he will be there full time rather than after he gets out of work for practice.  A great hire by Adrian to keep the defense intact and bring in one of the most knowledgeable coaches I have ever met.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 29, 2007, 06:33:56 PM
DAWG:

Thanks for the update.  Congratulations to Coach Deere.  What a nice promotion and situation for him.  It is great to see that Coach Lyall and the Adrian administration has decided to reward loyalty and hard work to someone who has served their program faithfully for a long time.  Also, from what you've shared in the recent past, it is great to see that Coach Deere was in a position to be able to accept a full-time coaching appointment.  Despite his other previous regular job, it is not easy to manage two commitments like he has in the past, especaily in this era of a difficult economy.  Anyway, I wish him well and it appears to be a good move for Adrian.  Sounds like their staff is still stable despite the recent changes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 01, 2007, 09:13:16 AM
At 'K' admissions are now closer to 3.8, 30, and top ten per cent of class.

K's incoming freshmen classes are capped at 350, or less than half of Hope's, so there a fewer athletes all round, not just for football. But football obviously relies on numbers more.

This year K is bringing in only 12 football players. Their total roster will be around 50, or about the number of freshmen most other MIAA schools will have.

The real problem is not so much admissions as financial aid. It costs around 35 large per year to attend K. FA department makes it so about the only people who can afford the college are those whose parents can afford the full boat, or those who qualify for a lot of "need." So, prospective "middle class" student-athletes usually go where it's more affordable. The college is on a diversity kick in all areas currently, too.

I don't know whether Brooks is the guy to make K competitive on the gridiron or not. He had no head coaching experience and has had to do a lot of "on the job" training. Under the current circumstances, he doesn't have much of a chance, regardless of his abilities.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2007, 10:51:08 AM
blb:

Welcome to the board and thank you for the update information regarding K's current admissions situation and policies.  Very interesting.  I agree with most of what you discuss with a minor exception regarding the cost of education in the sense that that is not exclusive to K College.  Hope and Albion are right up there with K (Hope will be over $31,000 this year) and all of the MIAA schools are climbing in tuition as are essentially every other college and university.  Regardless of which MIAA school one chooses, it is still more difficult for the middle class potential students for attending and obtaining FA.  Often times, what FA a middle class student qualifies for is miniscule, although every little amount does help.  Regardless, the MIAA schools are still a bargin compared to many of the DIII schools, for example, in Ohio which are about $10,000 more (i.e. in the >$40,000) than K or Hope, and the Ohio schools academics not any better per se than K or Hope.  Again, no slight intended toward Ohio schools, just relating the truth.  Anyway, hopefully, K can continue to improve their fb program and other athletics.  Again, thanks for sharing.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 01, 2007, 11:43:15 AM
Good points all, db.

What I was trying to say is, for example, if a prospective player is offered a $16g/year package from both 'K' and Hope (which is an average figure and common scenario), and Hope is $4g a year less, where does one go?

Ironically enough, there is a commentary in today's Kalamazoo GAZETTE sports on the state of Kazoo athletics, coinciding with the naming of the school's new AD.

Among the interesting points:

- 24.6% of the student body play at least one varsity sport, apparently a high figure.

- K's overall winning percentage last year was .376, .371 in MIAA. Subtract men's and women's tennis (14-0) from the latter and the figure is .274.

- The new AD (Kristen Smith) says K has the smallest athletics budget in the MIAA by a "good percentage."

- Other areas needing addressing mentioned were facillities and lack of full-time coaches.

- The president was quoted as saying "I would love for our teams to be more competitive, but that's not what keeps me awake at night."

- On a more positive note, the school is awaiting results of an external department review done by AD from Kenyon and athletics-PE chair from Marietta.

Hopefully they will have constructive recommendations for improvements that the K administration and trustees will act upon.

However, the president (ominously perhaps) further said athletics is an area "we need to pay better attention to as soon as our resource space allows."

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 01, 2007, 12:15:59 PM
blb:

It is sad to see that K is only bringing in 12 recruits this year, that is a very poor number and one that wont keep the program around for long.  K has never had big teams that is no doubt, but a twelve person recruiting class, even by recent standards is very poor and I would say a troubling sign.  Academics are a great at K and the high standards are a mark of pride, but the high cost of tuition goes a long way to discourage parents from sending their students to a school such as that.  Having recruited at Adrian, we would always bring up price differences in recruiting, we may have only been offering 12,000.00 for fin aid and K would offer 16,000.00 like you said and we would still come out way ahead.  People say money isnt everything, but it is right up there with food and water so it is a large determining factor.  I was also a bit puzzled by the hiring of Coach Brooks, I think for a school such as K you have to bring in a coach with a large amount of experience in dealing with such a cost restrictive and high caliber private college and especially some amount of headcoaching experience. 

I must say it also blows my mind that a school with a 144 million dollar endowment lacks so much in funding athletic programs which are the lifeblood of division III schools.  That is the dirty little secret of division III, without athletics, the majority of schools would not survive.  I know at Adrian it is over 30% of the students who are involved in athletics with between 10-15% in football alone.  When you look around the MIAA at endowments, Adrian is very small, 38million dollars and still are able to support athletic programs, TSU is even smaller in endowment but is increasing the athletic funding and budget.  Hope has an endowment larger than K and they are also able to make athletics and academics work.  I would have to say that looking from the outside in, it appears that the administration does not really care about the success of the colleges athletic teams and that is their priority as academics should and do come first at all schools.  However I think most schools look at their sports as a point of pride, and it appears that is a point of pride that Kzoo is just not interested in cultivating or embracing which is sad as I know K has had some very good teams and coaches in the past who deserve more.

I would like nothing more than to see K be successful in all their sports and I think everyone in the MIAA would as well as it would be good for the conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 01, 2007, 12:29:28 PM
*** correction ***

Hope's endowment is smaller than Kzoo's. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 01, 2007, 03:19:04 PM
WIth the hiring of Deere at Adrian, who has been there for fourteen years, correct?  Will Adrian be running the same defense or are they going to change philosophy?  Also, will he be there just during the season or is he a full-time guy?  Who were some of the other candidates for the job?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2007, 08:37:18 PM
blb:

The further details you share with us are encouraging.  Kenyon is very similar to Kazoo (I have known a couple of people who have attended that school and their current head fb coach came from the Univ. of Chicago).  I think that if Kenyon can be fairly competitive like they have been heading in the last 3-4 years (recall back in the late '80's they won their conference they were in), then Kazoo can do it also.  The outside review you mention from those particular schools should be helpful.  Sounds like it is not all lost at Kazoo but it will take awhile to get back to where even Rogers had them in his best years.  Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2007, 08:45:02 PM
DAWG:

Indeed, that low # of recruits is dismal and will not be of much help in the long run as you mention.  I will say, however, that it is highly unlikely that Kazoo would ever drop their program.  There was a nasty and false rumor that they would which some jerk initiated about 2-3 years ago, however, that was entirely false.  I compare them to Olivet and Northwestern as far as having a fb program a reality - i.e. for years people were calling for them to be kicked out of their respective conferences, but it won't happen.  Both programs did what was necessary to make them at least competitive at times and even though we know neither will be a powerhouse ever like some of their fellow conference members, at least the programs survive and provide opportunity for some student-athletes there.

Like blb said, whether Brooks is the one who will help them "turn the corner" and get back to where they seemed headed, at least the year they beat Wabash and when they also had that 2 loss season a few years back, remains to be seen.  However, he deserves the chance and regardless of what level a hc is at (DI, IAA, II or III) they should be afforded at least 5 years - it takes that long at the very least, and particularly to change attitudes among players and everyone else.  I agree with you, though, that we need Kazoo in the league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2007, 08:48:54 PM
ACRULZ:

I thought that DAWG indicated that the position Deere was appointed to and accepted was to be a full-time job and that he was leaving his previous regular non-coaching job.  DAWG can clarify that for us and the other questions you had.  I agree with you that it will be interesting to see if they keep the same defense or change it.  There are advantages/disadvantages for doing it either way, of course.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 01, 2007, 09:16:14 PM
ACRULZ:

Deere was appointed to a full time 12 month position.  He has wanted to get into coaching full time and this has provided the perfect opportunity.  He is leaving his job as an electrician and will be starting on July 9th.  I would imagine with more time to tinker with the defense that there will be some changes.  I have heard rumblings of a 3-5 defense this year, but Adrian did run some of that last year so it would probably be an expanded package as opposed to something new, other than that I would look to see the 4-4 that Deere had there previously to continue.

formerd3db:

I agree Brooks should have at least 5 years, this isnt DI and even they should be granted that much.  I think he has some great ideas and brings alot of dedication and enthusiasm to the college.  I dont think that K would ever drop the program either but if recruiting numbers were to dip lower and do so for more than a year or two it would be hard to continue, that is my only concern.  You hit the nail on the head as the attitude needs to change, from the admin on down and then true change can occur.  I remember when Kzoo was a tough game in the league and was a threat every week, as recently as 3 years ago, i hope they begin to make their way back down that path and that it leads to winning seasons and contention for the MIAA championship, the stronger the weakest link in this league the better off it will be.(note I am not implying K is the weak link)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2007, 09:48:28 PM
Hey guys.  We've finally hit "Page 90"! :)  Let's see if we can try to hit 100 before the pre-season camps start.  Good to see some fb discussion returning now, although it is still summer (only July 1st) and some people still have some vacation time left.  Yet, the pre-season camps will be here before we know it, and I'm sure that will seem even more so for the players (at least I remember it did for me "way back when" ::)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2007, 09:52:14 PM
DAWG:

I agree with your assesment and opinion on that.  Anyway, hope you are doing well.  Let me know if you are going to be at the Hope/Adrian game this year and perhaps we can visit.


bulldogalum:
BTW, where are you? ??? I assume you are studying hard right now - or at least you should be ;D  Yet, hope you get some vacation time this month or next.  Same goes for you at the Hope/Adrian game this year if we can both attend it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 02, 2007, 09:28:18 AM
Not to beat a dead horse, but rather to sum up:

Kazoo athletics, perhaps football most of all, has been suffering from institutional neglect for some time. Whether this is intentional, as ACRULZ stated, because the administration and trustees fear a strong all-round athletic program would damage the school's academic reputation, or as DAWG4 wrote, they simply don't care is open to question. Either way, the result has been the same.

I remember when then-AD Rolla Anderson, former 'K' football coach, spoke to one of my grad classes on athletic administration. He said, "You can't be good at everything, so why try?"

We will have to wait and see if the college will make the necessary committment, especially financially, to give Hornet student-athletes and coaches a chance to compete on a more level playing field.

As for Coach Brooks, I agree he should get at least another two to four years to build his own program. Of course, if things don't change with the college's philosophy of athletics, he may get frustrated and leave on his own by then. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 02, 2007, 09:45:24 AM
Thanks for the clarification DAWG!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 02, 2007, 03:11:23 PM
blb:

Its a sad sad thing to hear a president say something like that about any aspect of a college.  The last thing and administration needs is a leader with a defeatist attitude.  I strongly hope that the college does make the right choice in funding the football program as well as other programs.  I know they have invested an incredible amount in tennis and it has paid off, I can only imagine that they would like to see such success in other sports as well. 

formerd3db:

I am planning on attending the Adrian Hope game this year, Im hoping that I wont be in my current job still which has me working second shift on thursday - sunday which would be troublesome.   I would like to find a nice 9-5 with weekends off and be able to attend the Adrian home games as well as to make it to some other MIAA games and get a better feel for the league.  I would love to attend an Hope vs. Albion game as I have never had the experience, but think it would be a blast.  As it is now one of my buddies is attempting to lure me to Florida to teach as he may be getting a head coaching job but I do not know that I am ready for a move to Florida yet. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 02, 2007, 08:00:55 PM
DAWG and blb: 
Thanks for the follow-up.

DAWG:
I will contact you "off-line" on the personal messages board to share some teaching info with you.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 03, 2007, 12:44:27 PM
When are most teams reporting to camp this year?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 04, 2007, 08:19:00 AM
ACRulz


I am not sure of the exact date but it is the second week of August.

That is the earlist players can be in dorms and official practices start.

I know "captains practices" and 7-7 is already going all summer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 04, 2007, 10:22:26 AM
Not 100 per cent certain of this but I believe Kalamazoo players report Labor Day weekend. Their first game isn't until Sept. 15, one to two weeks after rest of MIAA ('K' only plays nine again this year).

On paper, the Hornets could win three if they can beat Bluffton at home, Tri-State and Wisconsin Lutheran on the road. If not, it could be a long year. They will be hard-pressed to beat any of the "traditional" league schools.

Valparaiso, against whom 'K' has not had much success, is the opener (home) and other non-league game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 04, 2007, 12:11:03 PM
Hope reports Monday August 13th when athletic physicals will be administered to them and the other fall sports.  NCAA rules require that pre-season practices do not start any earlier than 3 weeks prior to one's first game.  Hope's first game was moved to Labor Day weekend Saturday when DePauw cancelled out of its contract for the originally scheduled Sept 16th weekend game, due to Colorado College coming into their conference and need to schedule them.  Thus, Hope added Wis-RF, however, the only available date was Labor Day weekend, which gives Hope a "bye" weekend in Sept.

Hope has opened the season on Labor Day weekend on occasion in the past as did Albion last year.  As a sidenote, some of you might be interested to know that Hope has classes on Labor Day Monday if you can believe it!  They've done that the past several years, although didn't when I went there "way back when"!  Still, we stayed on campus because we always had a Labor Day Monday afternoon practice (had Saturday after the final intersquad/team scrimmage off until Monday afternoon).  Anyway, regardless of when pre-season practices begin for the teams, it always seems to be the hottest and most humid week of the month! ;D     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 04, 2007, 12:14:43 PM
BTW, I wish each of you a safe and enjoyable 4th of July holiday today.  Seems a bit strange having it in the middle of the week as compared to a "long holiday" weekend, but still nice to have the day to enjoy I'm sure most of you would agree.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 04, 2007, 12:35:53 PM
The first day of practice is a somewhat complicated formula that includes not only the day of the first game but also the school's first day of classes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 04, 2007, 02:10:59 PM
This has always been another hurdle for Kazoo football to overcome. The college typically starts the fall quarter on the third Monday of September (Sept. 24 this year).

So the Hornets normally get one week of two-a-day practices before their first game week, or one to two weeks less developmental time than most of their MIAA brethren. Some years, freshmen have played three football games before attending their first class!

Additional obstacles have been players in summer quarter (usually SIP) missing practice time, and the college is reticent to pay (sound familiar?) for more pre-season time (housing and meals) when the calendar, schedule,  and stars align just right.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 04, 2007, 03:33:16 PM
Very true, Mr. Coleman.

blb:

I had forgotten that Kazoo is on that system (similar to what Michgian State University was for years).  Indeed, that is a different situation for players.  And yes, it sounds familiar with regard to the college/university not wanting to put up the $ to house the student-athletes anymore than they have to - for obvious reasons I guess. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 04, 2007, 11:43:16 PM
blb:

I heard good things about the way Kzoo's football team spend so much time together during the early season and how it helped them out to not have to worry about anything else.  When I was at Adrian, our starting QB in 02-03 and 03-04 was a K transfer and he said the guys on the team really enjoyed that.  I think that K has generally shown a better record during the period without school as well and have suffered when they get into the rigors of their firs trimester I think 02-03 is the best example, they were 4-0 heading into confrence play and were garnering top 25 votes.  I guess I could be confused though, I think what you are saying is despite the time they may spend together prior to classes starting, they do not get the actual two a days before the first game because the shcool doesnt want to pay the cost right?  Help me out as my mind is a bit cluttered from years of abuse to my head while blocking for glory boys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 05, 2007, 09:01:29 AM
That is correct, DAWG. At 'K' they have one week of pre-season practice. They play their opener Saturday of the second week. It used to be the outside scrimmage before the schedule expanded.

Some years, because of the schedule and school calendar, the players would be together for four weeks before Fall Quarter started.

I know the QB you are referring to (AT). Great kid.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 05, 2007, 11:29:40 AM
blb:


I agree he is a great guy, one of my closest friends.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 05, 2007, 12:20:59 PM
blb:



How is Kzoo affected by the climatization rule by the NCAA?  That one week of pre-season practice, do they only go one practice a day?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 05, 2007, 04:53:41 PM
That I don't know, AC. But I would assume they are on the 1-2-1-2, same as everyone else.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 05, 2007, 05:33:50 PM
blb and AC:

If K has only one week of practice before their first game, then they cannot follow the 1-2-1-2-1 schedule.  NCAA rules require that teams for the first 5 days only run one practice a day which would severely inhibit K's progress towards the first game.  During the first week of practice(game week) K could run on the 1-2-1-2-1 schedule, but not until after their 5 days of acclimization.  Thats my understanding, since the NCAA change rules, we have had to run one a days for the first 5 days, then after we began two a days and one a days, that is the policy as I understand it if anyone else can clarify. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 05, 2007, 06:44:10 PM
DAWG, I'm sure you are correct on this issue, which means 'K' may have had to change their organizational model ($$ not withstanding).

Sorry if I misled anyone - I assumed (and we all know where that gets one!) that things were the same since I was "intimately" involved, and had not heard otherwise from my buddies that I left behind to fight the good fight

If I find out the facts (for certain, this time!), I will post.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on July 05, 2007, 09:46:49 PM
I've enjoyed reading the recent posts, unf, most about the lack of institutional support of athletics at Kzoo.  I've had many a a gripe about this.   Most of you have read them in the past.  I can't believe K is intientionally doing this. There are too many very good liberal arts schools that have great sports programs across the board.  It doesn't take away from the academics.  No doubt K will never be known as a powehouse (unless your talking men's tennis), but there's no reason why K cannot be at least competitive in most sports.

The fact of the matter is that 25% of the student body competes in intercollegiate athletics at K, it's too big to ignore. This isn't just some thing to do after classes end for the day.   Personally, I learned just as much about life "down the hill" at the Rolla Dome as I did at the Dow Science Center. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 06, 2007, 12:44:19 AM
Me too, Stinger.  It is great to see Kazoo supporters posting.  I hope this encourages others from our fellow MIAA schools to contribute this season to this board.  Also, hopefully some of our veteran posters will return also.  Rome (Oliveter), where art thee? ???

P.S.  Only 9 (or 8 1/2 pages) to go and we hit the "100" mark. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 06, 2007, 01:22:08 PM
ADAWG:


I have been trying to do research on Coach Deere.  Has he ever been a coordinator or head coach?  I saw on the HCAC board Adrian had the opportunity to hire an "established" guy who's defenses ranked in the top in DIII.  On paper to me anyway, it looks like a bad decision by Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 06, 2007, 05:54:20 PM
ACRULZ:

Coach Deere has been at least a 50% hand in the defense at Adrian for the last 6 years.  For the last several years he has been a part time coach, coming in from about 4pm -11pm each day.  He has been responsible for the game day defensive calls, game planning and many other aspects of the defense.  On top of being in charge of all these tasks, he has also coached numerous all league players, one All American and a host of other honors.  He is one of the brightest football minds that I have ever met and is an incredibly creative coach as well as hard working.  You will be hard pressed to find a coach that put in as many hours as a part time as he did especially for around 4500.00 a year which is all he received.  His titles may not indicate it, but his experience is a immense and he brings a wealth of knowledge and creativity to the Bulldog defense.  I look for absolutley no drop off and if anything I would imagine there may be some improvement as well as new looks now that he will be at Adrian all day every day and be able to coach the coaches as well.  It may look like a "bad hire on paper" but I can assure you that from what I know and have seen, it is not a bad hire.  Time will tell how it works out, but I look for good things and I hope that the hire works out very well for the Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 07, 2007, 04:36:08 PM
I've been reading this page for quite sometime...finally chiming in.  It is exciting to see so many people on this board and excited to talk football.   Some schools will be heading into camp in about five weeks.  Wow.  The summer is going fast.

MIAA football should be exciting as every year.  As a true fan of the league I'm very excited about this year. 

ADAWG:  You have great knowledge it seems of Adrian College and the league.  How long did you work at Adrian and why did you leave?  It seems you have a ton of passion for the Bulldogs and if I remember right you coached there for the last couple of seasons, right?  Great to have you here.  Seems like you can provide that inside look to us outsiders.

ACRULZ:  You know so much about the program (recruits, players, etc.) and not the new coach Deere?   Is this guy gonna be a good hire for Adrian?  I just heard DAWGS thoughts, what do you think?  It seems like a very untimely departure.

D3:  Did you coach at one time at Hope?

If I remember right throughout the MIAA a lot of these young assistant coaches bail over the course of time.  Albion had a good coach leave like seven years ago for high school.  I think Alma lost one of their coaches last summer.  Hope lost a coach to the high school.  What is the case, just better life outside of the small college world?

I'm excited to see everyone on here.  I look forward to talking with you all this season.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on July 07, 2007, 04:51:06 PM
I've been away from the board since last season.  It's great to see so much going on here.  Very interesting posts regarding Adrian and Kalamazoo.  Hopefully the momentum carries through this fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2007, 05:22:52 PM
HOF: Welcome.
Miaafbfan: Welcome back. :)

There hasn't been a whole lot of talk about the MIAA in recent years. Hopefully you guys can help the regulars here sustain it and bring people in for the fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 07, 2007, 11:20:19 PM
Thanks Pat!   I hope I can add some flavor here.

Anyways, I heard Olivet's running back was shopping around the MIAA.  Not starting rumors here, that is why I haven't said the kids name.  I have a source that says he was trying to hook up in with Albion and Hope.  Anybody got anymore info.

Can players shop around or can they get in trouble?

Get ready for a heat wave on Sunday.  Just looked at the weather...98 degrees and HOT.

I'm heading for the pool.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 08, 2007, 10:29:40 AM
miaafbfan:  yes, welcome back.  Looking forward to you good contributions to the board again.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 08, 2007, 10:37:19 AM
HOF:

I joing Pat and the others in welcoming you to the board.  Thanks for your contributions.

I haven't heard anything about Olivet's RB with regard to what you are mentioning, although will attempt to find out more info.  As far as student-athletes "shopping around", remember this is DIII and since they are not on scholarship, players are free to consider transferring to other schools.  One of the aspects they need to consider in such a move, however, is if they have any academic scholarships and/or grants from their current school and/or community or other sources and if the school they are considering transferring to would be able and willing to match that.  Of course, all that is assuming the coaching staff at the "new" school is serious about having them come in.  Just some thoughts.

Also, check your personal message board here for another mesage I sent you.

BTW, to everyone here:  I will be out-of-town until July 16th, so might not be posting much until next week, unless I have access to a computer.  Hope everyone had a nice 4th of July day/extended weekend (if you had the latter), but now it is "back to the grind" and perhaps kind of the "summer doldrums" for some of us (unless you are taking a vacation before the start of school and the season in August ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 08, 2007, 02:00:38 PM
HOF:

I forgot to make a few comments in reply to your question about assistant coaching opportunities for young coaches.  Being new to the board, you wouldn't have known about this, however, there have been several discussions about that topic on this board and others in the past, including more recently.  As such, I won't reiterate in great detail what was shared.  Basically, the consensus was that it comes down to the small salaries that colleges can offer to these young coaches, unless they are associated in a full-time teaching position at that school and that is difficult to raise a family on live (although a bit easier if they are single).  On the other hand, this is probably not much different than for those just entering the regular secondary teaching system and a person has to start somewhere.  It also depends on the career goals of the individual person.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 08, 2007, 04:50:25 PM
F3DB:  Got your message.  Once I figure out how to respond I will and when I have more time.

I guess that is the downside of DIII atheltics.  I mean basically with no committment, besides word, you could lose your guy one summer and the next fall he's playing against you.  I guess that is how it goes.  The word is that the RB is unhappy with some of their coaches and also got beaten out last year.  I'll also dig deeper and find the news.

Any transfers gonna impact the league? 

Who is gonna be the QB at Alma, Adrian, Albion?  If my memory serves me right that is the three schools who graduated QBs.

Back to the pool.  Will check in tonight.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on July 08, 2007, 10:01:04 PM
While it is possible for players to transfer from one conference school to another, I don't think it happens very often.  Personally, I couldn't imagine what it would have been like transferring from Adrian to any other MIAA school and playing a sport. 

Further, I know for a fact that some coaches flat out will not take players from other schools in the conference if they transfer.  Remember that many of these coaches, though competitive on the playing field, are on relatively good terms off the field.  Many, as a matter of professional courtesy, will not take a player transferring from one of those schools, or at the very least, will do everything in their power to dissuade that player from making the move.

It will be interesting to see what facts come to light about this Olivet RB situation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 08, 2007, 10:20:52 PM
HOF:

Nice to have a new face on the board who can contribute new thoughts and ideas to the conversation.  To answer your question from a day ago, I coached at Adrian for three years, after playing there for 4.  I have never had a better experience than those 7 years(with the exception of parts of the last). The staff at Adrian from day one was very welcoming and energetic and continued to be that way once I joined it.   I dont have much to say right now, Im a little drained from a long day at the lake in the sun yesterday and trying to relive the youthful indiscretion of my college days only to find out my body doesnt like that anymore.  I should be more eloquent and helpful once I shake the cobwebs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 08, 2007, 11:02:33 PM
DAWG and HOF:

Must be nice to have access to a pool and the lake during this very hot/humid weather~ ;D



HOF:

Interesting about the Olivet RB.  As bulldogalum mentioned, I think that most of the MIAA coaches discourage transfers due to strictly a football decision alone, except perhaps if the academic situation would be the same for that person as most of them want what is best for the student-athlete academically first.  On the other hand, if the Olivet RB you mention lost playing time behind someone else there, he might potentially have a difficult time breaking the starting position at another MIAA school especially if there are returning lettermen waiting in the wings who have been there and put in their time so to speak to replace a graduating senior, although this is certainly not impossible to do.  If the RB is a determined student-athlete with perseverence, it could be done.  Whatever transpires for him, I certainly wish him all the best in his future and hope it turns out good for him.  It's too bad it is not working out for him at Olivet, because as many have said, they have worked hard to improve their program and have stablized the coaching staff in the past decade or so.  Just some random thoughts on this.  BTW, I will for your reply message on the personal message board if/when you have the opportunity to do so (remember, I will be out-of-town until July 16th, starting tomorrow).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on July 10, 2007, 11:10:34 AM
Great to see Dom is again killing the OC program---

D3--I did not go to OC--but became a big fan after I saw what Irv Sigler did to turn things around there and make the program competitive again--

Dom ran out a # of Irv's staff and is like watching a hour glass--the sand keeps falling away and eventually there will be nothing--similar to what Dom did before
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 10, 2007, 12:15:41 PM
rome:

I heard that Sigler isnt even a fan of Dom?  The story I heard was that they wanted to have Sigler back for a game to honor him and he said he wouldnt do it as long as Dom was the coach?  Do you know anything about that?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on July 10, 2007, 03:48:47 PM
Is the Olivet RB in discussion Clasgens?
I saw Clasgens last year @ Olivet and he single handedly almost helped the Comets comeback against us.  I really can't see Clasgens choosing to shop around and/or leave OC.  That would shock me if he did.
He is a pretty solid RB and seems to be a great fit for Olivet's Offense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 11, 2007, 05:59:39 PM
Not Clasegans, it was LJ.  Must not be truth to the rumor or else I'm sure somebody could confirm it more.  So we move on.

Must be a busy week for everyone, no response from a ton of post.

I see on the Adrian website they announced who Coach Deere was.  Looks like a man with some history to the program like ADAWG mentioned.  That should be interesting for opponents who play AC, two new coordinators.  I can't imagine much will change.  Any scoop on their new offensive guy ADAWG?

In talking with some Albion fans at a recent gathering I was at, they seem to have thrown the towel in on Coach Rundle.  I look back at the recent years and just see a ton of success.  If you ain't winning it every year, I guess your in trouble.

I'm always amazed by the job Alma does year in and year out.  Not much press on the Scots, but year after year they win and compete for the league title. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on July 11, 2007, 07:19:27 PM
Rundle is a divisive figure.  Many people outside the program don't care for him much because he pretty much tells it like it is, but players will run through brick walls for the guy.  Bottom line, he's an excellent football coach with a strong personality that rubs some people the wrong way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 11, 2007, 09:10:31 PM
HOF:

Lonnie Jones is the one looking to transfer?  He when healthy was the best back I had seen in the MIAA from a pure talent standpoint in the last couple years.  In the '05 Adrian Olivet double overtime game, we were letting out a collected sigh of relief when he hurt his leg and we only had to deal with Sleight.  I cant imagine that he would have a hard time transferring but I did hear a rumor that his grades(at least from HS) were poor.  I know many teams would get a shot in the arm at the RB position with him on their rosters. 

Which ne offensive guy are you speaking of at Adrian?  I know they had one leave and take a job down south and shifted one of the defensive interns who had been a player at Defiance this last season to offense to coach FB/TE's.  But if you could let me know a bit more about which coach you are reffering it would help. 

AS for Albion fans throwing in the towel with Rundle is absurd.  You cant win the MIAA every year but you can be in the running and that is something that Coach Rundle has been able to do in his time there.  Despite the fact that the last president was not helpful to Rundle at all he has still managed to churn out consistent contenders and rock solid teams.  I would agree with bulldogalum that his personality may rub some people the wrong way, but his players will do anything for him and he graduates good solid people which is the hallmark of a DIII program.

Alma is a team which does great work on a yearly basis and they have a great staff up there.  I would say that the team that is the most fundamentally sound and most well prepared on a week by week basis though while also flying under the radar the most of the time would be Hope.  A league championship last year after being picked to finish 4th and never getting quite as many all MIAA players as they should Coach Kreps and his staff do a great job not finishing below second since 1995 which is an amazing feat.   

I would be interested to hear from you HOF on what your take is for the MIAA next year, Ive offered up some pre season predictions and I would love to hear someone elses.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 12, 2007, 12:34:37 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 11, 2007, 09:10:31 PM
You cant win the MIAA every year ............


Please see MIAA standings from 1990 to 1996 where Albion went 34-0-1 in the MIAA.  :D ;)

........and over a 13 year period beginning in 1989 Albion won 11 of 13 MIAA Championships.  In the last 5 they've won just 1 and just went 5-5 for the second time under Rundle in 5 seasons (both the worst seasons since 1982 and in each of those 5 seasons Albion has been blown out by a non-conference opponent at least once.  Its never a fair comparison but when you look at the last 8 or 9 years of Pete Schmidt compared to the last 5 or 6 under Rundle then you can understand why some people might be disappointed in the Britons on field performance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 12, 2007, 11:49:55 AM
sac:

Obviously comparing the golden era of any college with the coach who comes after is not quite fair.  Pete Schmidt was on a whole other level when he was at Albion and his teams demonstrated that.  But to say that ALbion is a program where fans should be losing interest in the head coach now is not right.  I dont think Albion fans know how good they have it or know how bad it could be, when 5-5 is one of your worst seasons then its not all bad, look around the rest of the league and compare.  The grass is always greener on the other side, but I dont know that Albion would find a coach more commited to winning, commited to his players or commited to Albion college than the coach that they currently have. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on July 13, 2007, 08:19:01 AM
Interesting topic here:
Was the domination of the MIAA by Albion a result of superior coaching, OR did they simply out-recruit the rest of the conference?
Since the departure of Pete S. I do not believe the MIAA has a single playoff win.  ???
(sidenote: '94 by Albion went through both Mount Union & St. Johns)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 13, 2007, 11:45:30 AM
rome:

I would have to say it was a result of both the coaching and recruiting.  There is no doubt that Pete Schmidt was an excellent coach, as noted by his movement to higher levels and the success that he was able to have at Albion as well considering he won over 78% of his games there and won MIAA titles from 1989-1996.  The talent level at Albion from what I understand was also amazing.  When you look at any DIII national champ even back in the early 90's they had and have players that could play at higher divisions.  It is my understanding that Albion had several players that year who were getting attention from NFL scouts and it has been the opinion of coaches in the league that I talk to as well that many of Albions players could definetly have played at a higher collegiate level.  While coach Rundle has done a very good job recruiting, it could be said that Rundles first two MIAA champion teams were won with Schmidts players as Schmidt would have recruited the upperclassmen on those teams(JR's, Sr's.).  However Rundle also won a title on his own in 2001 and 2005 (oh how quickly Albion fans forget success).  Thats just my take as I am hardly an Albion insider.  It would be nice to hear from someone with a bit more intimate knowledge on the subject.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 13, 2007, 06:18:45 PM
First, Pete Schmidt was a terrific coach/person, they still talk very highly of him around Albion.

Second, Albion did have superior talent compared to the rest of the MIAA but it was nothing overwhelming, such as a Mount Union level.  The 94 team that won the NCAA Championship completely waxed the MIAA.

Adrian 60-18
Olivet 65-8
Hope 35-12
Alma 26-0
Kalamazoo 34-7

(I specifically remember the Hope game, I believe it was 35-0 at halftime, it was supposed to be the game for the MIAA crown.)

When they got to the playoffs they beat Augustana by 7, Mt. Union by 1, and St. John's by 3 before blowing up Washington and Jefferson for the title.  Very talented team for sure, but they weren't head and shoulders more talented than other title contenders in D3, just much more talented than the MIAA.

During their 11 time run as MIAA Champs or Co-Champs Albion went 1-4 in NCAA tournament games minus the 94 run, and didn't get an invite to the tournament 6 times when they won at least a piece of the MIAA.

I haven't seen alot of MIAA football but I've seen enough Hope/Albion games to know, Albion was always a bit bigger, stronger, faster and deeper than Hope was.  I think that was fairly typical of the last decade or so of the Schmidt era.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 14, 2007, 08:26:45 AM
Pete Schmidt was a great all-round coach, but he also was working for a college where having a winning football program was important (the previous coach, alum Frank Joranko, was let go because he didn't win enough).

So Albion was moving forward in the 80s-90s under a top-notch leader while the rest of the MIAA was more or less status quo.

In the last dozen or so years, most of the other schools have done things to make their programs more competitive.

So Rundle's biggest flaws are he's not Pete Schmidt and is competing on a more level playing field. And yes,  I know his personality can be prickly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 14, 2007, 11:09:57 AM
Wow...just joined the board through the Albion conversation out there and here we are now.

I'll chime in.

Pete Schmidt was a great guy and coach.  A guy that was so driven by winning, it was unreal.  I remember attending his funeral on the campus of Albion and seeing a who's who in college football coaching....Schembechler, Carr, Moeller, Saban, Perles, etc.

Here is my two cents:

1)  He had the president on his side.  Meaning, borderline kids got into school.  That isn't happening too much anymore around there.  I'm not defending Rundle and saying he can't win because of this, but it has and is a well know fact, Pete said and told some upper level people...hey I need this kid and guess what he got them in.  Pete might have been the most powerful person on the campus, I'm serious. That is why when he left I'm sure the others said we aren't letting this guy run this place.

2)  The players were much better during his time.  Yes this is true.  You know why.  Grand Valley wasn't a national power yet, either was Saginaw Valley, or Northwood.  The GLIAC didn't get back together until 1999.  Ferris State had a run from like 1992-1997, but they didn't steal DIII kids.  I think the GLIAC now steals them and this is why the MIAA is down in talent.  Is there talent...yes great talent in the MIAA, but not like it use to be.  Those kids now are walk-ons in the GLIAC.  Which is sad, because they could help some of our MIAA teams compete in the NCAA playoffs.

3)  He could coach.  That man could coach.  That is why he left for Indiana with Cam Cameron.  Cam Cameron was quoted as saying Pete Schmidt is the best football mind I've ever been around.  Pretty strong words for a guy who himself is now the head coach for the Miami Dolphins and was coaching with guys named Schembechler and Carr, etc during those times.  Well maybe not Carr in that group....haaaa.

4)  He could recruit.  That is pretty plain and simple.  The great players like Robinson, Montego, Lefere, Taylor.  Guys who should've and could've played at much higher levels.  I can't forget James Debadalden (sp) back in the day.  I think spent some time in the league.  A FS that was 6-4 225 and could play.  Robinson was a great RB that might've played a tad in the NFL or had tryouts.  Montego was a solid QB.  The kid they won the National Championship, Klein, was a freshman QB from a Class D high school.  Hank Weimann, a RB, who was 5-4 or something like that.  Help me Albion fans. My memory fails at my age.

Do I think Rundle is a good coach.  Yes I do.  You must understand football to see that.  That might be the one thing that bugs me, people who judge coaches.  If you understand the game, then you can talk, but if not, don't say a word.  Rundle can coach with anybody in America.  I say that not being an Albion fan.  His teams are always well prepared, provide numerous looks to others and have great special teams.  Maybe some years better than others, but all in all a quality program, year in and year out.

He does rub some people wrong, but who cares.  He's trying to win..and win he does.  I wouldn't want to be living in the shadow of one of the greatest coaches in DIII history.  I say that with great pride, meaning one of our own from the MIAA is one of the greatest in the game and his name was Pete Schmidt.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on July 14, 2007, 12:04:31 PM
Let us not forget the OC for Albion who set school records for points and yardage...Coach Purtill who has a dynasty going for him in the MWC at St. Norberts. Since 1999 he has won or shared 7/8 conference titles and scored a playoff victory. Not bad.

I guess Albion minus Pete and Purtill means they moved back towards the pack a little.

Random Question:

Are there any D3 schools in the UP? and If so could they/would they be conviced to  play Football in the MIAA--a great number of athletes in the UP--just curious
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2007, 12:18:33 PM
I am relatively new to this forum, and D3 football, but this seems like a great site for information. 

My son just graduated from high school and is going to be playing football at Tri-State.  He met with coaches from a number of schools, and chose Tri-State because of their engineering program and he really like the coaching staff at Tri-State.  I met the coaches and they seem like a good group of guys.  I have seen just a limited number of posts about them, and I know they haven't exactly tore the league up (yet   ;D  ).  I have not followed the program too much up until now.  What is the word on Tri-State?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on July 14, 2007, 12:54:48 PM
There is one DIII school in the UP:  Finlandia University.  They do not sponsor a football team.  They are a provisional member of NCAA after reinstating intercollegiate athletics in 1999.  They offer women's basketball, ice hockey, cross country, Nordic skiing, soccer, softball, and volleyball.  They have men's basketball, ice hockey, Nordic Skiing, cross country, baseball, and soccer.  Their hockey teams are members of conferences, but other teams are independent and "currently seeking membership in several regional conferences." 

Perhaps they should add football to even up the number of men's and women's teams to 7 each?  Being at the western end of the UP (in Hancock), it would be closer for them to head down into Wisconsin to compete.  And as mentioned here before, it is costly to start a fb program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 14, 2007, 09:47:28 PM
blb:

I would respectfully differ with you slightly regarding Frank Jorenko.  He was also a good coach and while he may have not had the winning % that Schmidt did, his teams were well coached and tough.  He was not let go because he didn't win enough, rather he had planned to retire about the time he did and the plan all along when he brought Schmidt as his assistant/associate head coach was for Pete to take over the reigns after a couple of years or so.  JOrenko selected Schmidt for all the reasons that HOF mentioned in his post.  Plus, there were some good Okemos, MI/Albion connections associated with that.  As I recall, Jorenko wanted to gradually slide out of coaching ranks (i.e. including his baseball head coaching position) and concentrate on the athletic administration aspects at Albion as he did (similar to the late great Morely Fraser).   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 14, 2007, 09:48:08 PM
Uncle Rico:  Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 14, 2007, 10:11:04 PM
db, you may be right. However, I was told by a coach who had worked with Joranko at Ferndale HS prior to his Albion days, and remained close with him, that he was eased out of the football job by the college administration (he coached baseball for awhile longer).

The version of events you recount may have been to put the best possible spin on a delicate situation for public consumption. Or they may be factual.

Regardless, as HOF points out, Albion made commitments to its football program that put it ahead of the MIAA competition at that time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2007, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2007, 12:18:33 PM
I am relatively new to this forum, and D3 football, but this seems like a great site for information. 

My son just graduated from high school and is going to be playing football at Tri-State.  He met with coaches from a number of schools, and chose Tri-State because of their engineering program and he really like the coaching staff at Tri-State.  I met the coaches and they seem like a good group of guys.  I have seen just a limited number of posts about them, and I know they haven't exactly tore the league up (yet   ;D  ).  I have not followed the program too much up until now.  What is the word on Tri-State?  Thanks!
Uncle Rico, welcome to the boards.

The best information that I can give you will come in the annual football e-magazine that Pat Coleman and Keith McMillan produce called "Kickoff".

It will cost under $10.00, but it will cover all 240 schools.  The proceeds of the sales will be used to fund the operations of the websites.

You don't see any pop-ups on these sites because of the revenue from Kickoff.  Its purchase is one significant way for us fans to support D3sports.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 14, 2007, 11:13:00 PM
blb:

The information was provided to me personally by some Albion College administrators and coaches as well as other persons, all of whom were close/involved with the situation and who I knew as well (including Jorenko).  As you mention, perhaps it may have been some of both.

Reminiscing a bit, some of you may remember back then, the MIAA was just emerging into experiencing some national spotlights and post-season play when the MIAA relieved it's longstanding ban on the latter in 1977.  Jorenko's 1976 and 1977 teams were excellent teams with the 1977 team being the first MIAA team to be selected for the playoffs in the "new era" (actually, that should be the first team allowed to go as Hope's 1975 team was considered to be selected but could not participate; Albion's 1976 may have been also).  While Hope and Adrian were dominant in the next 5-6 years after the Albion 1977 team, there were only 8 playoff spots available during that time and difficult for MIAA teams to get (of which perhaps a couple of them should have - Adrian ranked in the top 8 one year and Hope's undefeated team of 1984 as some may recall). 

Regardless, Albion did make some commitments to their fb program as you point out that perhaps other schools were not willing to make at the time.  As has been mentioned, during Schmidt's tenure, they had some tremendous teams and gave our MIAA some national attention.  Hopefully, the league can return to providing a more prominant showing in the fb playoffs, although that task will not be easy for a variety of reasons as many have discussed in the past on this board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 14, 2007, 11:25:02 PM
unclerico:

Welcome to the board!  TSU is a program with some very good coaches who work hard and believe strongly in doing things the right way.  One of my friends is actually a coach down there and they are truly pointing that program in the right direction for the future.  I hope your son enjoys DIII and that you do as well it is a great environment to spend 4 years of college in.

formerd3db:

That is a great bit of MIAA history, I was not aware that the MIAA even had a ban on post season play, but then again I was -5 at the time of it being repealed. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 15, 2007, 12:51:00 AM
Uncle Rico:


Tri-State is a program that I believe is on the rise.  They are very young however the coaching staff has done a good job having them prepared for each game.  If this team stays together over the next few years Tri-State will compete for the MIAA title.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2007, 10:16:04 AM
Thank you all for the quick responses.  This seems like a great website. Three of my son's high school teammates are also going to play D3 football, and I am going to pass on this web site to them as well.  I just signed up for the Kickoff e-magazine, and look forward to the 2007 preview. 

Based on the replies, it sounds like my families impression of the coaching staff was correct, and that is reassuring. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 15, 2007, 11:29:12 PM
Uncle Rico:

We'll all look forward to your sharing and contributions on the MIAA board!  BTW, just a brief FYI:  the "unwritten" rule for all these boards is that current players and coaches should not be posting on the boards during the season, for obvious reasons.  The "off-season" is a different story - i.e. it is not "frowned upon" for that, so they are allowed and/or encouraged to participate if they desire to do so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 16, 2007, 12:00:22 AM
Yes -- we have no rule against players posting, though coaches may feel differently.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 16, 2007, 08:14:35 AM
Did everyone notice EMU forced President of U. out.

Found him guilty of hiding the story of a Female student that was Raped and Killed on Campus.

Does EMU ever get off the "joke " list.
Bad buildings, dangerous campus, President spending millions on his on house, now "bury" the details of Rape and Murder ON CAMPUS.

Too bad EMU has some great programs, and numerous quality young academics have graced their hallways.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 16, 2007, 08:20:38 AM
Rico

Our family has visited Tri-State twice for visits for our Kids.

There IS a noticable energy on campus regarding Football with the recent changes in staff.

While my kids have selected other colleges to attend we felt the football program was on the right path.

Welcome to the board, and enjoy our families time in MIAA it all goes by to fast.
Make it to every function you can, you will miss it when it's over.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 16, 2007, 02:23:51 PM
D306:

That president has been skating on thin ice for a while with all the cover up thats going on plus that lavish mansion he lives in.  I remember seeing in the paper several weeks ago that the board of trustees had levied a no confidence vote against him and it was something like 24-1 or some ridiculous number like that for the no confidence measure.

On the Tri State theme, they are definetly making a commitment not only to sports, but also the school.  TSU the way I see it has a big edge over other MIAA schools if they can get their sports on par as they carry specialty programs (i.e. engineering) which most other MIAA schools do not carry.  Couple that with the infusion of cash and facilities that seem to coming and it looks like they have a solid plan.  I've said it before and I will say it again, give the staff at TSU some time to recruit and get their team together and have the school grow around it and they have a chance to be a top team in the MIAA, thats just my opinion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 18, 2007, 06:30:29 PM
Does anyone have any word on when Media day is and we can expect to see finalized rosters and the preseason rankings out?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 18, 2007, 07:26:13 PM
Dawg mot sure of Media day.

Of note 2 teams in the MIAA have posed a new note about 2007 preview.

Albion and Hope have some preseason info on websites.

Hope has a alot returning, and is planning on building on last years success.
Hope returns QB, RB, and very strong Dline

Albion is replacing several key players on defense, but feels they have some depth and talent coming up in the system.
Offensively Albion is returning a lot and should have a strong line.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 18, 2007, 08:41:29 PM
Here is some MIAA thoughts, remember my opinion here, nobody else:

Tri-State:  The jury is still out to me if TSU has good coaches.   They need to prove that they can carry the excitement for a couple of years.  Most programs get new excitement when a new staff arrives on campus.  I know, they coached arena football...not the same game.  I did look at this staff page yesterday and saw they hired Findlay University's ex-head coach, who was the head coach at University of Toledo and was the DCoord at West Virginia.  Seems like a good retirement gig for him.  It is a strange move in my mind.  It also says he is the QB coach.  That will be tough since they run that offense.....

I don't care for that offense they run.  That in my mind doesn't win.  It kept them in games, but won't win in the MIAA.  I know...I know...Olivet did it.....but....Olivet could've ran a ton of looks that year and won. 

I think the engineering angle only works with a handful of recruits.  I think if Hope and Tri-State are going after the same kid, the school programs only matter so much.  I believe most recruits look at schools with football first in mind and schooling second.  Am I far off?  Help me here?  I also think they won't be able to go into Michigan and steal good kids.  While I also think they won't be able to fence in their backyard either with the NAIA power right there and DII St. Joe's.

With all that said, Uncle Rico, welcome and I still believe the decision is a good one.  And remember my opinions don't hold much weight...lol...I really don't know what the heck I'm talking about most of the time....lol.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 18, 2007, 09:26:07 PM
HOF:

The offense Tri State currently runs is not the offense that they want.  It is born of necessity and the lack of skill position players as well as lineman that they possess.  In speaking last year with one of their coaches and knowing their arena football background, they want to become much more of a passing team as opposed to the run.  I would say this offense is a band aid which is an attempt to make them respectable and help recruiting until they can transition.  The interesting idea I heard from this staff was that they wanted to go a whole season without a run play, just screens, bubbles etc instead.  I dont know if thats feasible, but its an interesting idea and I think indicates the direction they will take. 

As for the claim of kids looking to schools for football first, I will have to disagree.  Having spent the last two years recruiting in the MIAA and DIII i can atest that you are behind the 8 ball if you dont have  a recruits desired program and there are many who want to go into engineering suprisingly to me.  You will have a hard time convincing a parent to shell out MIAA tuition when the school doesnt offer the program they are looking for.  The problem I see and agree with you will be the michigan angle as well as competing with schools in their area.  St. Francis(NAIA) is probably not as much of a concern as they are recruiting at a bit higher level, that is truly and awesome program.  But they do have St. Joes as well as a number of HCAC schools to compete with as well. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2007, 11:14:32 PM
I cannot speak for everyone and their reasons for picking a certain school.  My son was also accepted at Mt Union, Hope, Adrian, Albion, and K-Zoo. They are super schools for various reasons, and he had great visits and a warm reception at all.  He has very good grades and is a very good football player.  If he strictly based his decision on football, he would be prepping for Mt Union right now.  Those championship rings that some of the coaches were wearing sure looked good.  I joked with him and said "if you go to Mt Union you might be able to get one of those rings."  He replied right back at me, if he goes to Tri-State he will help them get one of those rings.

He ultimately chose Tri State because they had everything he wanted...an up and coming program, enthusiatic coaches, AND a major he is interested in for a career.  He loves football, and also knows his education will carry him in life.  Hopefully kids are factoring in more than just football when they choose a college, because even thought most won't be playing in the NFL 4-5 years from now, they can at least get a good education while playing ball.

The D3 schools afford the opportunity for these guys to continue to play the game they love, AND get a great education.   He could have gone to a D2 school, maybe walked on, and possibly got a little playing time.  At D3, he's got a good shot at playing and he won't have his classes with 200 other kids in a big auditorium. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 18, 2007, 11:23:24 PM
uncle rico:

Your son hit the nail on the head with his comment on helping TSU to win a title, the same reason I picked Adrian years ago.  YOu also have the whole concept of DIII nailed as well, its good to see how well grounded both you and your son sound!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2007, 11:30:01 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 18, 2007, 11:23:24 PM
uncle rico:

Your son hit the nail on the head with his comment on helping TSU to win a title, the same reason I picked Adrian years ago.  YOu also have the whole concept of DIII nailed as well, its good to see how well grounded both you and your son sound!

My wife deserves all the credit....she keeps us both in line.   :D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 19, 2007, 01:13:45 AM
My2cents:

You seem to have trouble with the Terms of Service. First, you tried to register with a name that was clearly in violation of the rules. Then your first post does nothing but bash a poster.

You really ought to READ the Terms of Service, the way the registration instructions say. You won't last wrong long with two strikes already against you.

(1 a.m. typo, corrected for the record.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 19, 2007, 01:17:19 AM
Pat:

Whats this my2cents guy?  Did he have a post that got removed, what happened?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 19, 2007, 01:23:09 AM
Yep.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 19, 2007, 09:22:37 AM
Good job, Pat - way to be heads up!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 19, 2007, 03:09:15 PM
Good Call   Pat

We do not need another  ##$$*,  I will leave the site un named.
The basic post reads: someone asks a legitimate question and 20 dolts preceed to rip them to shreads.

This is a great site for actual conversation and debate about D3 sports and college in general.

By the way couple weeks and players report to camp, I can smell football in the air. And no that is not just the "stench" from the Michael Vick nightmare story. Lowest kind of sub human behavior I have heard in a long time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 19, 2007, 04:09:53 PM
D306:

Couldnt agree with your more about the "other site" and also about Mike Vick.  Im torn because despite the fact that this is his first offense the severity of the crime is outstanding.  I dont know whether he should be suspended and dealt with harshly now or if they should wait until the case goes through and then make a decision.  I would say that if they wait and the case goes through, his 3 co defendants will turn on him to reduce jail time and if convicted I have a hard time seeing Vick not serving time in prison as all charges are felonies.  Its also important to note that this is a federal prosecution, the feds dont make a habit of going to court with people that arent guilty or at least that they cant convict, they do boast a conviction percentage of above 95% which has to be a startling number for both Vick, the Falcons and the NFL.  Needless to say guilty or not, his marketing and popularity will take a big hit.  I myself have viewed him as a thug type guy who was unable to seperate from the streets for the last several years, the way he acts, treats fans and carries himself in the public has never been very endearing.  Players like Vick and Pacman Jones give the NFL a bad name, despite the fact that many of the players in the NFL come from very rough backgrounds the majority are able to seperate and improve themselves and those around them while a few bad apples ruin it for everyone.  For a great example of a guy who had a rough life, take a look at Warrick Dunn and the things hes accomplished.  Its a shame the negative aspects get more press than the positive, but hey thats what sells ads and newspapers I guess.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 19, 2007, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 19, 2007, 04:09:53 PM
D306:

Couldnt agree with your more about the "other site"

Feel free to invite the sane members of that board over. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 19, 2007, 04:54:10 PM
Mike Vick....nice job punk.   Falcons better call Joey Herrington...lol.

Read the Albion preview yesterday.  Coach Rundle looks like he is staging a good season, but Albion for the first time in a tad, doesn't have that great kicker...on paper....yet.

ADAWG:  I forgot to add a thing or two a week ago and looking back at my post I was talking about the new offensive coordinator at Adrian.  Any news on what he might bring to the table.  Give me your inside Adrian thoughts.

I, myself, think Hope will be tough as nails.  I've talked with a couple of people associated with the program and have heard Rugenstein is gonna be a bear, like he wasn't good last year.  Wow.

Any recruits from the MIAA playing in the East - West Allstar game coming up?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 19, 2007, 05:07:39 PM
HOF:

Well my inside info is a little lacking with the OC. He became OC only after the season and what I saw from the workings was only a preliminary playbook, not the final copy.  Obviously I wont spill anything to telling.  The offense I have seen and heard of so far involves the spread, he is a GVSU guy this last season and brought some concepts from there.  The run game is a zone scheme with some power and it appears he will be fairly imaginitive with formations and the like if his special team coordinating was any insight into the offense.  I would expect to see the ball tossed around a bit he had always seemed to me to lobby for the pass over the run.  He has been all over the board, 9 schools in 14 years so he has experience from several locations.  The last place I know he was OC at was St. Marys which is an NAIA in Kansas.  I dont know how the team did overall but from his bio they were ranked 8th in the NAIA in passing, he also was co OC at Lane where he helped install the spread.  I would imagine you will see more of the same, passing with some run, spread and lots of formations etc.  Word is also that Adrian has a transfer QB coming in from Ohio U.  Dont know how good he is, I think he was a DII kid that walked on there and is now transferring but we all know not to trust the transfers rumors until we see them produce.  All in all though as I have said before its a big year for Adrian, transitioning the offense and replacing several key players at important spots.  Time will tell, but thats all I have for you for insight, hope that helps you out.

Rugenstein was the best defensive player I saw in 7 years in the MIAA.  He is a great two way DE and he also has the athletic ability to drop back in coverage with even the fastest WR's.  I  remember a play last year where he dropped off the line and ran step for step with Desmond Upshaw who was our fastest receiver and tipped the ball away.  He is a game changer and the type of player that you must gameplan around.  Hope does return a very solid core and always seems to be extremely well coached and versed in fundamentals while not trying to do anything to fancy. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 20, 2007, 09:59:03 AM
Pat

I would send the "sane" from the other site, but I am afraid the ignorant will follow and you would spend way to much time policing these idiots.
Ignorance is bliss, I choose leave them to their vices. :-X

Dawg

I have no Mercy for Vick, he has been a low life for years, the media has pumped him up for ever. He is a marginal QB whom shortly will be in Jail and Joey Ballgame will be leading the Falcons. Possibly the Falcons will pick up another over-rated QB in Culpepper. I think the Falcons would be well served to have Joey QB, he is a servicable average QB and on a "real team" he will act as a calming force and not embarass the team publically.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 20, 2007, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: D306 on July 20, 2007, 09:59:03 AM
Pat

I would send the "sane" from the other site, but I am afraid the ignorant will follow and you would spend way to much time policing these idiots.
Ignorance is bliss, I choose leave them to their vices. :-X

I find sometimes those people don't want their e-mail address on their posts so they won't follow. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 20, 2007, 12:43:48 PM
D306:

I agree that he is an overrated QB, its a mockery of the pro bowl that he has been elected to it as a QB ever.  He is quite possibly the best athlete in the game but that doesnt make him worthy of the pro bowl, QB's with 74 qb ratings dont belong there, ever.  AS for Joey ballgame, I always thought he was treated a bit unfairly here in Detroit and that the Lions ruined him.   He has never been with a team that had a real coach for a QB or an idea of what they were trying to do on offense.  I would imagine that Harrington could be just the type of QB for the Petrino system.  Despite what people say he is smart and somewhat mobile and tough which is never a bad combo as well as a conusmate proffesional, even when he was getting railroaded out of Detroit.  Time will tell if and when Vick goes to jail, but I can imagine that if convicted he wont, they are all felonies and possible to hit him with 6 years.  If that happened I would venture to say it could be the death knell for his career, I just dont know how many teams would want to invest in an average QB that had been in the pen for a year or so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 20, 2007, 12:52:26 PM
ADAWG:  Thanks for the info on Adrian's new offense.  I just hope the GVSU look goes over well and the new guy doesn't think he has Cullen Finnerty running the O.  A DI MAC transfer will help and if he is good, he'll make an impact on the Adrian team this season.

Hope has five sets of brothers coming this fall.  Looks like Dean Krepps didn't have to leave the campus much to recruit those kids.   Lol.

Here is to the weekend.  Michigan High School game....should be good weather.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 20, 2007, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 20, 2007, 12:43:48 PM
D306:

I agree that he is an overrated QB, its a mockery of the pro bowl that he has been elected to it as a QB ever.  He is quite possibly the best athlete in the game but that doesnt make him worthy of the pro bowl, QB's with 74 qb ratings dont belong there, ever.  AS for Joey ballgame, I always thought he was treated a bit unfairly here in Detroit and that the Lions ruined him.   He has never been with a team that had a real coach for a QB or an idea of what they were trying to do on offense.  I would imagine that Harrington could be just the type of QB for the Petrino system.  Despite what people say he is smart and somewhat mobile and tough which is never a bad combo as well as a conusmate proffesional, even when he was getting railroaded out of Detroit.  Time will tell if and when Vick goes to jail, but I can imagine that if convicted he wont, they are all felonies and possible to hit him with 6 years.  If that happened I would venture to say it could be the death knell for his career, I just dont know how many teams would want to invest in an average QB that had been in the pen for a year or so.

DAWG:

I agree Vick is a marginal QB at best, but if you are going to bash him...well Joey never lit it up in Detroit.  He had multiple opportunities.  And actually believe it or not the coaches weren't that bad, not good but not bad.  I also agree that Vick is a thug and gives the NFL a bad name, however on a different note...now that Vick will more than likely be gone, everyone is excited about Joey, who has proved nothing in the NFL.  I fully believe, whether anyone chooses to or not, it is still about the great white hope.  The position of QB has, is and always will be a topic of great debate when it comes to race.  I do not wish bad luck on Joey but, I will say this, he is a great number 2 guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 20, 2007, 05:40:00 PM
ACRULZ:

Everyone is excited about Joey just as everyone was excited about Mike Vick.  Everyone was saying how deidcated he was this offseason and how into the offense and paying attention he was.  I think it speaks negativley against Vick again that people were highlighting these points as he should have been doing this all along.   As for Joey never lighting it up that is true, but do you think he was ever surrounded by a cast that could help him or even playing in a system that would help him?  I think Petrino's system is better suited to him involving more drop back and long ball type passes than the west coast system that Harrington was forced into in Detroit.  It was the classic square peg in a round hole.  What GM and Coach would decide to draft a vertical strong arm gun slinger to come and play in a dink and dunk west coast offense?  As much as Petrino does like the short game he does not do it like the west coast style and is a more aggresive play caller(if his college games translate).  I also never said Joey was a savior but rather that he could do better and you will note that I never said he was a pro bowl QB either.  In essence what I have done was call Harrington a potential "system" qb if the system suits him and if the offense gels he is the type of player that wont wow you but also will not dissapoint.  It behooves the falcons and their fans to both A. promote excitement about JOey and B. be excited about Joey, lets remember thats all they have. Thats all I am saying about Joey, I hope that clarifies my stance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 20, 2007, 07:44:10 PM
ACRULZ , D306 and DAWG:

I'll throw my "2 cents worth" in here, if I may! ;).  While Harrington obviously didn't do any herorics or remarkable feats during his tenure in Detroit, I would slightly disagree with some of you in that I think he can be a good starting QB in the NFL (not a superstar certainly, but a good QB, and at least on par with the basic average QB's in the league at present) if he has a good offensive line (and there are many "average" non-superstar starting QB's in the NFL at present as you all are aware).  In addition, you well know that, particularly, in his last season in Detroit, he had no blocking at all; a prime example was that last game, televised at that.  As soon as he received the handoff and turned his back (split second) he was hit from behind and/or dragged down immediately - that blocking was absolutely pathetic.  I dare say it was probably the worst I've ever seen, including in in my entire h.s., college and semi-pro days.

Harrington didn't do too bad in Miami, although I will admit that I was surprised he left and went to Atlanta (especially since it was obvious that Culpepper was on his way out).  I think he deserves a chance and, hopefully, he will get that this year - although it remains to be seen including with the Vick garbage that is transpiring at present.  I won't even comment on that and save you all from my "verbage" ;D  Then if Harrington doesn't take advantage of that chance, everyone can say that he had it and didn't step up, thereby proving all of you right and me wrong! ::) :o

On more pleasantries, as HOF mentioned, Hope has a (unprecedented?) 5 sets of brothers on this year's pre-season roster.  What a great experience that is for those young men.  Also, for those interested, you can check out Hope's pre-season review on their official website.  A whopping 174 players are tentatively listed (75 freshman, 51 sophs and 29 seniors) - up from the about 140 we've had the past couple of years.  The six game J.V. schedule also provides a good development opportunity for some of these new players and as some have discussed on here in the past, the J.V. programs/schedules in the MIAA have much improved in recent years as they have in other conferences, much doing to the increased #'s seen on many rosters on the various teams.

Like all of you, I am getting exciting about the upcoming season.  As usual, it appears it could be a tight race and I suspect (HOPE! ;) that the MIAA will fare much better this year in the playoffs with HOPE in the lead of course (sorry my friends, but just had to get that "light jab" in ;D ::)).  Hope you all enjoy the remaining summer weeks - they are passing by all too quickly as usual.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on July 21, 2007, 09:57:11 AM
Unfortunately db you (unintentionally) highlight another area where 'K' falls behind in MIAA football: The Hornets do not have the numbers to play JV games, so their freshmen lose game experience.

Of course, one recruiting "selling" point for 'K' football is, if you go there, you are on the varsity immediately - in some cases, second string right away! But obviously freshmen won't get the same experience as at other MIAA schools. And if too many of them play significant time, they're going to lose anyway.

Another area that impacts 'K' football occasionally is the lack of a track and field program. It has been a deciding factor between schools for some kids who have wanted to compete in both sports.

Hope has more freshmen, and as many juniors and seniors combined, as Kazoo's entire roster!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 21, 2007, 03:49:46 PM
blb:

I know what you mean.  I didn't mention that Kazoo doesn't have a JV program as I didn't want imply or focus on a "negative" aspect.  It would be great to see Kazoo be able to develop a JV program eventually if they can bring up the numbers.  A difficult task, but not impossible to do.  I remember not too long ago, that Alma's program, which had experienced about 66 or so players on the roster for several years, was concerned about having enough "healthy" bodies to even field the JV program, let alone having some underclassmen to fill in if/when the need arose regarding injuries to some of the full time varsity players.  Some JV games had to be cancelled, yet they slowly worked at improving the entire fb program to a yearly competitive level which brought in more overall numbers.  This subsequently helped the JV program become more solid as well.  Of course, we all know that "success entices success" as people want to come to successful programs and Albion, Hope, Adrian and to some degree now Olivet have seen increased numbers for incoming freshman after successful winning seasons and particularly after championship years.

Of course, you "hit the nail on the head" in describing the challenges that Kazoo faces and the impossibility of fielding a JV program.  On the other hand, the opportunity to be on the full time varsity immediately I would think should be/would be a draw to some potential recruits (uh, I mean student-athletes :)).  Sometimes as we all know it comes down to a "#'s game" (no pun intended ;D) in that regard, but it works both ways as you allude to.  For example, schools like Hope, Albion, Mount Union, etc. who have upwards of 200 players coming in (accounting for the usual attrition, of course), some players at positions where there are less returning players have a real chance at perhaps attaining significant playing time or starting; other times it works just the opposite.  At a school like Kazoo, the chance to play immediately is enticing, but then again, becomes a worry with regards to the "injury bug" as the season progresses which in turn can hamper the program.  This happend to Olivet back around 1999 or so the year before Irv Siegler was enticed to return to his alma mater.

Anyway, as we've discussed, hopefully, Kazoo can build up the program to become more competitive.  Also, yes, it's too bad they don't have a track and field program.  Do you know the reasoning behing that?  I'm just curious.  Thanks for the info.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 21, 2007, 03:51:37 PM
BTW guys, we are slowly creeping to that "Centennial" mark for pages of posting!  Do any of you think we'll reach that level before  the start of the pre-season camps?  I do, but we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 21, 2007, 07:52:09 PM
As I read these post I decided to surf the MIAA websites to see about JV football.

I was rather shocked to see Adrian playing a ton of JV games.  It looks like they are playing two games on the same date.  I'd assume they'd have some heavy numbers coming in. 

Look like Adrian has 12 JV games, while Hope plays six games.  Olivet eight games.  Tri-State eight games.  Albion's website was down.

Another thing to factor in is cost for these games.  Usually we are talking six refs, game mangement, travel, food, etc.  So all in all if a school can't afford them due to a small budget, that is something else to thing about.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 21, 2007, 08:26:05 PM
HOF:

That is shocking.  Actually, it is a little "insane" IMO.  They must be having a ton of players coming in, although I was not able to find out any info on their website as to the #'s.  Even so, and with "split squads", while that will provide a lot of playing time for the incoming freshman, they might as well just have a "freshman" team like in the old days...because, I believe, that NCAA rules only allow a player a total of 10 games (not including any playoff games).  This means that for every JV game that a player participates in (even stepping one foot on the field for a play), that is one less varsity game they could play in.

JV programs can indeed be a big plus as many have discussed here for a variety of reasons.  In some programs, a new player who has a great outing in a JV game can actually earn a spot on the traveling squad roster and special teams, which indeed is a great motivating factor for them.  On a perhaps less important aspect, it also provides some of the younger assistant coaches with opportunities to gain experience as an offensive or defensive coordinator or coaching other related position groups or even special teams.   

Now, most of you will probably (and correctly) point out that most of these young players will not have much of a chance to get in a varsity game anyway.  However, even if playing in a few JV games one's first year, the thrill and potential opportunity of getting in a varsity game (even if for a few plays in a blowout) is something to be considered for a first year player.  Another (although perhaps minor) concern is with regards to injuries - with split squad games, chances of that will be higher per player.  Also, it will be interesting to see how Adrian will be thus able to split up their training staff to help assist in these away JV games.  While I think a JV program has merit and helps the overall varsity as well as providing opportunity for new players to gain some experience at the collegiate level (which even in DIII is so different than h.s.), IMO, I think a 12 game JV schedule is a bit overboard.  Six games are plenty, and even then, some of those become cancelled due to the injury factor (and in rarer instances for some schools - although this obviously won't apply to Adrian this year - not wanting to waste a potential game for a player that might be needed later in the season.  With regard to the latter, I have seen that situation occur in the past).

At any rate, it will be interesting to see if this works out for the Adrian program.  Personally, I doubt all 12 JV games will be played, but then again, I could be wrong - it wouldn't be the first time! ;)

All of the above are just some general thoughts I wanted to share.  Perhaps our friends from Adrian DAWG and bulldogalum will share their opinions and comment on this.

Very interesting.  Also, great to see all the discussions going on here on our board.  Keep it up guys!  We still have a long way to go compared to some of the other boards.  It is always great to have new people join us here along with the veteran contributors here.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 21, 2007, 09:53:17 PM
D3DB:


Talking to a couple of guys close to the program at Adrian, they will have close to 180 or 190 guys on the team.  The coaching staff felt that the JV players were not prepared enough as they became varsity players; that they lacked game experience.  For younger guys I believe the more game experience the better.  Six games to me is not nearly enough for the number of freshman that Adrian will have.  Some guys mentioned that last season they had some positions that were 6 or 7 deep; which equals not nearly enough reps.  Also what it does help is keeping the younger players motivated.  When the JV team plays their last game I'm sure the effort and focus in practice drops off a bit.  Thus giving the starters a bad look in practice with regards to the scout teams.

But on the whole I do believe a solid JV program can only benefit a program.  Speaking in Adrian's case a lot of their former standout players were JV products including Taz Wallace, Dan Regan, and Dan Mckeown, who at some level were All-Americans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 21, 2007, 09:57:38 PM
DAWG:


BTW, I hear that another coach left Adrian???  What is going on there?  Was it a personal decision or are egos  clashing in the land of the Bulldogs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 21, 2007, 10:39:57 PM
Funny thing....I just put two and two together....my comment about Vick and Herrington...I didn't really realize that Herrington was the back up guy....lololol.

I do agree 12 games is a tad too much, but if ACRULZ is right, I do agree these kids need to play...in the long run...they are paying to play....you pay for school.  It will be interesting to see how it works for the Bulldogs.  Adrian trying to be Mount Union?

Another coach left Adrian?  Wow, must be the water down in Adrian.

I also believe if playing that many games is a good thing....why wouldn't everyone do it.  I have concerns with injury, cost and beat up players.  I'd imagine that having that many kids playing in those games might affect those early week practices, with kids beat up, etc.  It was probably an easy thing with six deep at each position, because everyone didn't play, but with each kid playing more, this will wear them down....thus making scout teams even worse.

D3, still haven't figured out how to send messages.....I didn't forget.






Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 21, 2007, 10:41:40 PM
HOF: You're not going crazy -- new users don't have the ability to send PMs after we had some trouble with them in the past.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 22, 2007, 11:24:14 AM
HOF:


I disagree, injuries are going to happen.  When you have that many guys on your team, you can't worry about getting them too banged up, its gonna happen anyway as the season progresses.  And as for why doesn't everyone do it?  Well just because a certain number of people don't do or do something dosen't make it right or wrong.  Knowing Coach Lyall, he could care less what Mt Union, Hope, Albion or any other school does for that matter.  His whole mantra at Adrian is to concentrate on what WE do.  Also, it doesn't hurt that Adrian has a pretty generous football budget!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 22, 2007, 11:42:15 AM
ACRULZ:

Yes another coach did leave, the guy that they hired from LSU was there for about 5 months and decided to take another job I believe in Arkansas.  From what I hear he had some other issues as well none with the program or other coaches but other issues.  It was a personal decision to leave but trust me he will have to be in Michigan at least one more time.

HOF:

Yes Adrian is playing 12 games this year for JV and I agree that it is a very large number.  The reason behind the split squad games is so that they can get their freshman a chance to play.  As they are looking at bringing in about 85-100 freshman or transfers this year they need to find a way to play them all.  That is one promise coach Lyall makes to incoming freshman that they will all get a chance to play and he is very good about that in JV games.  We will see how the 12 works out as it will split the staff to different locations and could possibly take away from their monday game planning if they have JV road games, but time will tell.  In theory it is a great idea as the freshman very much enjoy the JV experience and it can be fun for the younger coaches as well. 

formerd3db:

In the past Adrian has always tried to play an 8 game JV schedule and even before the move to a 12 game split squad schedule this year they were trying to schedule 10.   The thinking behind that is that the more games they can play the better off they will be.  It also becomes hard to keep some of the players interested in practice when they have played their last JV game with 4 weeks left in the season and are now truly just going through the motions on scout team.  It gives the freshman something to look forward to and allows them to take some personal pride in what they do.  I know the JV team I was the HC for at Adrian that went undefeated was very proud, to the point where they all donated money and we have Adrain JV Undefeated MIAA Champs ****s made!  I still have it hanging in the closet it comes out for special occasions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 22, 2007, 12:47:49 PM
Breaking News Adrian appears to be losing another coach as the intern they had hired from Defiance who has been at Adrian again for about 5 months is leaving.  The preliminary word  is that he will be leaving the intern position to go to EMU to take over as the Video Coordinator.  A good move to make as he will receive a huge increase in pay and be at a DI program(albeit a low level) which will afford him lots of opportunities and connections.

Just talked to a source at EMU and he is heading up for an interview on Tuesday, it is not official but it looks promising.  Thought I would edit this on so that it doesnt make it set in stone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JacketsFan on July 22, 2007, 01:21:37 PM
Whoa! I finally got all the synpases in my brain working and remembered my dang password. How the hell is everyone? Doc Todd, good to see you're still around. Drop me a line.

It's been good reading everyone's posts and bringing back old memories about seasons gone by. Richard graduated from DC in the spring and he and his g/f moved down to Florida to live with us temporarily. Richard got a management job with Publix , thanks to the biz and economics degree from DC, so he and Emily are living with us until they save up the bucks for a place of their own. They got engaged in mid-May. The poor sap got on his knees and popped the question. I think she had to help him up off the floor afterward.

I'm missing being a football dad already, but I'm seeing firsthand the withdrawal a player endures when he hangs up his cleats for the last time. But, we still bleed purple and gold in this house and we've already made plans to attend a couple of games at DC this year, thanks to an el-cheapo airline that just started flying to Columbus from nearby St. Augustine. I think our homecoming game tickets if we buy them now will run us about $150 each round trip. Plus, the prez's office at DC has talked with me about maybe coming up from time to time and doing lectures in criminal investigations and writing. That should be fun if it pans out. I really came to love the place.

Now, the important stuff. DC's offense will be improved this year.  Look for a new look on the O-line. The new O-line coach came in and whipped them into shape. He doesn't want slow, fat toads up front. The defense will be formidable again this year. The secondary retained some of it's workhorses. Upfront, they lost some heavy firepower but I hear the replacements are looking promising. Will they be as good as last year? Tht might be a bit of a reach, considering how some said last year's was the best they've seen. Maybe not right away but my guess is that by maybe by the third game or so they'll be coming along nicely if everyone stays healthy.

I guess the question looming in everyone's mind right now is whether Vetter will have improved or will we see a repeat of last year? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that last year was the sophomore slump, complicated by a massive case of inflated ego. I think the answer will be how he handles himself in the first game if he's still the starting QB. If he comes out and keeps control of the ball and doesn't throw pics, I believe that will set the tone for the season. If he comes out doing what he did last year, I think it'll be another year of hunker down in the trenches and wait for the shelling to stop. I hear there's some talent at RB and of course Dillon will be back. I think Gary Allen is back, too.

I hope they've got someone who can punt this year.

How will the rest of the conference line up? I think Franklin is going to come out slugging to get up front and stay there. I'm drawing a blank on MSJ. I have a hard time believing that Hanover will be that much better than last year. I have a hunch that RHIT is going to be much improved. Those kids from Tri-State will be improved but not enough to matter. They have some talent but I think it'll be next year before they do anything with it. I look for Man-U and Bluffton to be about where they were last year. At this point, I see DC in second or third place, depending on what they return with on offense. That's the ticket. Taylor will get a defense out of them.

Good to be back. Hope all is well with all. Especially you DC guys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JacketsFan on July 22, 2007, 02:01:42 PM
Oops! Obviously, some very important brain synapses still ain't working. Okay, this post was obviously supposed to go on the HCAC board, for all you people who're scratching yours heads and asking yourselves what kind of chemicals I've been imbibing. But to you MIAA friends of mine, hello anyway.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 22, 2007, 04:37:46 PM
It seems as though Adrian has a "mini cradle of coaches" situation going on.  A lot of their coaches are "moving up".  That is two guys at EMU, one guy at D 1 AA Central Arkansas and a current assistant who will be with the Detroit Lions during training camp.  Yes there is a lot of turnover but essentially their coaches are moving to bigger and better things.  Which can be both good and bad.  Anyone have thoughts on the situation???

Are there anymore season previews out yet?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2007, 07:05:38 PM
McMurry opens its season at Huntingdon, so we see them before they play Adrian. 

Huntingdon started a football program five years ago.  They were the first D3 program in Alabama and were able to get some very good athletes in their first few years.  Huntingdon has scheduled aggressively and has not been afraid to travel where they can get games.  They and Lagrange move to the SLIAC next year where I think they contend for the title in the first season.

I believe that you will see a very talented, very good team with respect to fundamentals.  The program is now entering its fifth season and the last of the program's founders graduated last year.  The program went 0-7 in its first year and lost 11 games before winning its first game in the fifth game of 2004.  Huntingdon has gone 17-7 over the last two and one-half seasons, and the Hawks now have a record 17-18 thru its first four seasons.

I think that there is a very good chance that they are at least 2-1 going into the Adrian game.  (I favor them over McMurry and Maryville and see them losing barely to UW-Oshkosh, but look forward to their review in Kickoff 2007.)  You will be impressed with the Huntingdon team speed.

Huntingdon even has an unofficial web site (http://football.huntingdon.edu/).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 22, 2007, 08:23:18 PM
Ralph:

Thanks for the info!  Looks like Huntingdon is not to be taken lightly.  The Bulldogs may be in quite a fight!  I will have to check out that site, thanks again!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 22, 2007, 10:05:23 PM
ACRULZ:

I would disagree with the cradle of coaches situation.   The fact is other than Coach Embry who is the one interning with the Lions, two of the other three have never even coached a game at Adrian or spent a full semester at the school.  Coach Krepps who is now at EMU did serve the entire season coaching the FB/TE and did a very good job and did move on to a GA position at Eastern which was a good move for him.  As for the one that left and is now down in Central Arkansas, spent from February until about April as he was often gone and down south for the summer until his departure.  The new candidate at EMU isn't gone yet, but sounds like he will be and has been at Adrian since maybe the end of February.  I'm not disagreeing that they are moving up and doing well for themselves, but it just seems odd to me to call it a "cradle of coaches" when many of them simply seem to be using it as a very temporary stepping stone.  As an Adrian guy I would like to see a little more loyalty from coaches who have been given good starts.  I'm not saying by any stretch they are obligated to stay for a year, but they did sign a contract and by leaving so late in the summer leave a program in a bind in terms of replacements.  It is not easy to fill low level job openings so late into the offseason with camp approaching and can become a problem to assimilate a new coach to the offense or defense as well as the school and players so late in the game.  Thats just my thoughts on the issue.

Ralph:

Huntingdon from the little research I have done looks like they should be a solid team and a good early season test to see where Adrian is at.  I noticed that they have not been afraid to schedule out of region opponents nor are they afraid to schedule against playoff caliber teams which they have been highly competitive with.  I would imagine they should have alot of athletes as there are very few southern DIII teams which could lend itself to a very exciting offense and big play defense.  I would wonder what type of underclassmen they had behind their founding group?  Often teams will be very strong when they can have a group of players come through for all 4 years together any insight into returning starters or the like?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2007, 11:37:21 PM
Good evening, Dawg.

I am not sure what type of players started at Huntingdon.  Their AD started the program, and then he moved to LeTourneau.  Huntingdon then brought in a real "football guy", the current head coach, Mike Turk for the second season.

The AD had the foresight to get the program off on good footing.  I guess that this is the fourth year under Coach Turk, and so we are seeing the first class of his graduating seniors.

My knee-jerk response was that these players were a bunch of Southern high school football players who loved the game so much that they could not give it up.

That seems to be a common D3 story.  :)

Dawg, I think that Adrian is in for a real "dawg-fight"!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 22, 2007, 11:44:37 PM
Ralph:

In that case they may see even better growth by the way you say it.  The addition of a strong recruiter and football guy to a program can do wonders especially in a target rich environment like Alabama.  I will be interested to see what brand of football they bring with them up north and am hoping to get that Saturday off of work to be able to head out and see it for myself.  I do applaud Adrian for adding what appears at least initially to be a tougher contest than some they have had in the past. 

The D3 Story in and of itself is guys that love football and cant give it up.  Its a good blend as many of the players are plenty talented enough to play at a higher level but understand that their love for the game is not a buisness and make the choice to go D3 the higher you get the more the game owns you, not vis versa. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 23, 2007, 09:38:22 AM
Wow

Go away for a few days and the board "lights up".
Great to see the interest and the energy is high as the season approachs.

Don't shot me just what I hear, but some of the numbers at Adrian seems to "jive" with the word in the HS Seniors and Juniors comments, that Adrian is in a big push to improve the campus, and get more kids in the College. Enticing athletes with a hard push about sports and playing time/interest in them.
I would be interested in the numbers in other sports, are they also high?
12 games and 2 JV teams actually is exciting, seeing that much interest just wonder how many will make it out the other side, in Football or graduating from AC.

Hope seems to be the team to beat in the MIAA, in what looks to be another very tough MIAA season. I think no one gets out undefeated in the conference.
Olivet, and Albion are going to put a scare in Hope.
Albion with what I think will be a high scoring Offense and a defense that will need to make some big plays, with a lot of unproven and untested talent.
Olivet returns a ton from a very tough team, and a solid defense with alot of secondary help. A Olivet offense that can play ball control and run power straight at you.
Adrain continues to confuse me, I thought they were going to be a force last year. This team has numbers and some talent, the numerous changes I think hurts the continuity.
Alma with the Scot Gun will continue to put up points, new QB's thrive in the system. Line play and defense need to make a statment to be more consistent and win the league.
Tri-State is the team on the rise, this year or next year Tri-State is going to push it's way into the top echelon of the league.
WLC I am weak on, and wonder if the change in conferences would not be the best thing for WLC. Local games, Local families and excitment.
Kazoo, the issue has been discussed numeorus times on the board.
Need numbers in a big way, can not judge coaching, team or anything else without players. Kinda sad for a long time member of the MIAA.

OK I am caught up on my thoughts after vaca.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 23, 2007, 12:25:09 PM
D306:

You have heard right, Adrian is taking some much needed steps to improve their campus.  The changes have been happening for the last year and as an alumnus it is nice to see something positive happening on a campus that was stagnant for the first 6 years of my involvement with it.  Buildings are being redone and there is a big push to make it a campus more students will want to live on and stay at on weekends which would be big.  The school has bought numerous houses surrounding the  campus and is turning them into "theme housing" for students to live in.  Not a bad idea for the students but I doubt neighbors will like living next to college students, not that there is any real resolution but it is a big bonus that students like.  I do know the one policy that is unpopular along with the housing purchases is the change to a 4 year residency requirement at Adrian which never existed in the past, it was met with quite a bit of student opposition.   But the facilities and buildings and programs looking to be added are all a great thing and about 15 years overdue.  The president and his staff have done a great job initiating about 15 years of change and hoping to do it in two.   The college is expecting a freshman class of over 500 which would be the biggest since the vietnam war era.

Also, agree with your predictions for the upcoming season, but I would put Alma a little higher up, time will tell and we all know the MIAA season is highly competitive and hard to predict.  I would imagine that Hope will be picked 1st in the poll and we will see if that is the kiss of death as is often the case or if Hope can break that trend. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 23, 2007, 11:00:30 PM
Dawg

I listed some thoughts of the teams going into the year.
While it was in no particular order.
I would think that possibly switching Adrain and Alma in positions that could be pretty accurate.

Well, back out of town, visiting a couple more potential schools with my daughter.
Funny how 2 kids, 2 years apart can have such different thoughts of what they want in a college experience. My Daughter has only 2 Michigan based schools on the list. My son turned down out of state offers and considered only a couple in state seriously. Best thing about it is "they" are/were active and excited about college, instead of it being a "mandatory" or optional stage in life. Pretty tough now a days to land a good job unless you get a College degree and possibly a Master on top of that.
After visiting many schools in the last couple years, if you get past the "thrill" of a big city campus, and look at the quality of the school and the "feel" on Campus D3 schools really shine in my view point.

Though I was very impressed with Gtown and Miami Of Ohio. For different reasons but both are impressive and visually Great Campuses.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on July 24, 2007, 12:17:39 AM
D306:

Can't go wrong with either Miami-Ohio or Georgetown.  Both fine schools in great atmospheres.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 25, 2007, 07:23:46 PM
Hope's and Albion's 2007 Pre-Season football reports are now on their respective web-sites:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 25, 2007, 07:47:58 PM
http://hollandsentinel.com/stories/072507/localsports_20070725059.shtml


Just an article, nothing special.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 25, 2007, 11:43:23 PM
I see everyone is picking Hope and Albion to be at the top of the league...well my top three are actually Alma, Hope and Adrian.  With Alma's passing game and stable of QB's they will always be tough, not to mention the blitz happy defense they have.  Hope has a good coaching staff and a very good defensive line, their offensive line is pretty good (not the best, that honor probably goes to Albion) but as I felt in the 2006 season, Hope won't KO anybody but they will stay in the fight and wait for you to make a mistake...if opposing teams play disciplined football against Hope they are a very beatable team.  Adrian I believe is anyone's guess.  Year after year I'm just not sure what Adrian team we will see.  Even with the coaching changes...and mind you that these changes are not as problematic as people think.  The D-Coordinator spot ONLY GOT BETTER!  I believe the O-Coordinator spot has improved (look at Hancock's track record) Calhoun had a tendency to find something he liked and run the crap out of it, even if it didn't work too well.  Also from what I hear, Calhoun tried to coach the entire offense, well when you do that, you can't pay attention to the little things.  Hopefully Hancock lets his coaches coach.  They lost the FB/TE coach, ok big deal...I understand it is on a different level but USC lost 5 coaches before last season and they did pretty well.  The BIG coaching spots (HC, OC, DC) remain the same which is the important thing.  I personally can't wait to see Hancock's offense.  I think it will be very explosive, Adrian has a weak O-Line (at least last season they did), but I think Hancock will scheme to hide this factor.

Well all in all...I'm wishing that the MIAA will win a playoff game and finally get some respect.  When it comes down to it, we all want the MIAA to succeed!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 26, 2007, 07:33:54 AM
As usual Mount Union is the #1 team in the pre-season poll.

After reviewing the 2006 Roster, I see that the team members are from numerous states.
Mount runs the FB program like a D1, is that and a solid Coaching staff the main reason they have such success. I know success breeds success , and players want to go to a winner. But I see numerous Fla. players on the Mount Union roster. How many kids want to come to our type of weather for college? Is Mount Union that highly thought of Academically?
Lots of lessons to be learned, from reviewing other teams rosters.
I see Wheaton in Ill. has quite a mix of players, I know Wheaton has a great reputation, a great campus and location.

No intimating anything questionable about successful teams, looking for opinions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 26, 2007, 10:50:15 AM
You'll get much better answers in the OAC room.


Mount Union is smack in the heart of high school football in Ohio.   Plus, I think their success has opened up some recruiting avenues that probably weren't there 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 26, 2007, 11:50:57 AM
ACRULZ:  Sounds like Adrian added some quality coaches.  I jumped online today and broke down their OC and DC.   Sometimes the coaches might be better than others...just like anthing in life, but it seldom comes down to coaches.  Yeah you can out coach a guy or two, but in the end it is the arrows, not the Indian shooting them.

If I remember right, AC's oline and dline were very weak.  Maybe the new guys can bring something else to help them out.  Cause I'm sure it ain't the coaches coaching those positions, as much as it is the players playing them.

I have Hope, Olivet, Albion in my top three.  I think Adrian has a chance, but they just don't have the players right now at key positions on paper.  So time will tell with them.

Look out for Alma...they always seem to make it interesting.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 26, 2007, 11:52:57 AM
Their football program attracted our attention, but ultimately my son went somewhere else because they did not offer the major he was interested in.  If they had that curriculum and a good reputation with that curriculum, he might have gone there.  Certainly a strong football program will draw a look, all things being equal.  They also get some kids overlooked by the D1 and D2 schools for whatever reason, who still want to make football their primary goal in life and plan to get visibility / recognition by going to a national contender.   I do not know how many NFL'ers played for Mount Union.

We met two kids from Florida during our campus visit this past winter.  The temp was literally about 5 degrees out side, not factoring the wind chill, and the snow was blowing.  They had never seen snow before.   They were wearing their winter coats zipped up even in the classrooms, they thought it was so cold!  Pretty funny!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on July 26, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
For you Albion and Hope fans, here is the link to the Wheaton Season Preview.
http://athletics.wheaton.edu/index.asp?path=football
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 26, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
matblake


Very nice preseason detail and website for Wheaton.

After seeing Wheaton play last year, I was impressed.
The DE  mentioned was outstanding and the difference maker in the game I saw, dominate player.

I think Wheaton will have another very good year. Very tough game for Hope and Albion even with Wheaton on the road at Albion.

Great to see Wheaton on the schedule for Albion and Hope, can not be the best without playing the best. Good prep game to get ready for the MIAA conference games
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on July 26, 2007, 04:28:25 PM
D306, thanks for the props on my alma mater.  I like the non-conference games vs. the MIAA schools.  I'll be at the Albion game, which will probably be my only Wheaton game of the year since I live in Detroit.  The Hope game got too close at the end for my liking last year, and Albion got overwhelmed at Wheaton's first night home game under the new lights.  Good luck to all the MIAA schools, as long as they are not playing CCIW schools!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 26, 2007, 04:30:22 PM
Quote from: D306 on July 26, 2007, 03:22:43 PM

Great to see Wheaton on the schedule for Albion and Hope, can not be the best without playing the best. Good prep game to get ready for the MIAA conference games

Hope's played Wheaton for 7 straight season's now, and have them on the schedule through 2009.   They add Carthage in 08 and 09 as well, though I have no knowledge of their stature in the CCIW.

I've always thought Hope played a pretty tough non-conference schedule, sometimes too tough.  Frequently playing teams that made the tournament the previous year.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/chrono.html

Although, I'm not even much of a Hope football fan  (passive at best) but it does seem very strange to see no DePauw on the Hope schedule.  The first time since 1975 by the way.

Hope occasionally snuck Wabash onto the schedule as well...........no word as to whether they gave Hope the Monon Bell when they beat both. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 26, 2007, 11:09:21 PM
Quote from: HOF on July 26, 2007, 11:50:57 AM
ACRULZ:    Sometimes the coaches might be better than others...just like anthing in life, but it seldom comes down to coaches.  Yeah you can out coach a guy or two, but in the end it is the arrows, not the Indian shooting them...



We are going to have to agree to disagree on this point.  Talent is a very important thing however the coaches have to put the players in a situation to excel...If it rarely comes down to coaches lets just have the players line up and draw plays in the dirt.  Having your team prepared and ready to play is something that the vast majority of players could not do without the coaches.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 27, 2007, 08:18:17 AM
matblake

Are you a Detroiter that made a mistake and went to Wheaton instead of a MIAA school, or a transplanted Chicago Area guy whom is stuck in the D for work? LOL :D
I also will be at the Wheaton VS Albion game, hoping for better results than last year. You are right Wheaton came out "fired up"  with the first home game under the lights, and jumped on the Brits before they knew what hit them. After settling down it was to late for a comeback. By the way great atmosphere on Campus that night.

Rico/SAC

I am glad to see the teams play home and home, and run a string together with each other. Builds a rivalary and interest.
I think a tough non-conference schedule is a good thing, in most cases, as long as it is not all on the road or VS. 3 superior teams. Teams need a win and tough games to get better.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on July 27, 2007, 10:40:51 AM
I see Alma has St. Johns on their schedule for the first game of 2008.  Talk about a tough non-conference game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on July 27, 2007, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: D306 on July 27, 2007, 08:18:17 AM
matblake
Are you a Detroiter that made a mistake and went to Wheaton instead of a MIAA school, or a transplanted Chicago Area guy whom is stuck in the D for work?

Transplant, but I kind of like Detroit.  Definitely different than Chicago, but really nice people here too.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on July 27, 2007, 11:49:12 AM
Quote from: miaafbfan on July 27, 2007, 10:40:51 AM
I see Alma has St. Johns on their schedule for the first game of 2008.  Talk about a tough non-conference game.

If you want to be the best, you have to compare yourself to some of them.  I think it is a good measuring stick for where the Scots want to be.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on July 28, 2007, 08:04:59 AM
Agreed.  As discussed here before, part of the solution to improving the MIAA and getting that first playoff win is scheduling some tough non-conference games. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 28, 2007, 09:15:32 AM
matblake

I have been to most of the eastern and midwest cities (majors).
Metro Detroit while it gets a negative Rap in the media, is actually a great place to live.
I am sure for some the weather can be a drag at times, but I enjoy the change in seasons. Only thing I do not like is the week of -15 or -20 degrees we seem to get every year. That is stupid cold, hurts to even walk the dog for any amount of time.

I visit Chicagoland often and think it is very vibraint and has more to offer than Detroit. Though it does come with a price money and time in traffic are a heavy cost of living.

I have no interest in California, Oregon been there seen the "friuts and nuts" that roam the overcrowded streets. Way to Liberal of a lifestyle and politics for me.
Oregon, outstate would be nice, but then if I wanted that I would live "up north" in Michigan.

Well here's to hoping the MIAA gets a playoff caliper team in the next couple of years. I am not sure anyone is there anytime soon, have not seen a dominate team in the last couple of years since I have followed the MIAA close.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on July 30, 2007, 06:00:05 PM
Good to see Rugenstein on the Second Team All-MIAA.  Good to see Hope finally represented, for a while it was Taz Wallace.  Just kidding, Adrian fans.

Media Day in the MIAA is set for Aug. 2 according to www.miaa.org.  So we should start seeing more of the preseason write ups popping up.  I think MIAA rule is that preseason info has to be online that day for the media to access it. 

This new ESPN football show has me getting jacked up!

Camp is getting closer.

Any more coaching changes, players not reporting to camp, good rumors, etc.??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 30, 2007, 06:10:35 PM
WLC's pre-season football report is now up on that school's athletic website:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2007, 07:33:31 PM
It looks like the indoor stadium is a no-go after all, but the field and facilities are still going to be updated....

http://www.tristate.edu/news/TSU-News-newathletics.cfm

Somewhat of a bummer, but I like football played outside anyway.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 31, 2007, 02:27:59 PM
Uncle Rico:

The indoor stadium idea never seemed to make sense to me.  Angola is not home to that varied of a climate compared to michigan or to exposure to more rain etc so it didnt make sense from a playability stand point.  I can understand that they intended to use it as a year round facility for other sports to practice and the like, Adrian had the same idea when they opened their stadium except they were going to get one of those driving range type domes over about half of the field.  That idea to this point hasnt come to fruition and time will tell if it does.  Tri State at least two years ago had the best natural grass field I had ever seen at the DIII level, I imagine this has something to do with the fact that they have people who are well trained in grass maintenace with the golf course on campus.  I actually thought I heard rumblings that they had a turf management program like MSU, any truth to that?  Needless to say their stadium needed some big improvements, the stands were lacking as were the pressboxes and it would be nice to see lockerrooms installed closer to the field itself.  Im not all that familiar with the current building plans, can you fill me in?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 31, 2007, 05:09:05 PM
It would have been neat (and certainly different) if TSU would have gone through with their domed stadium concept.  Of course, there are other considerations against doing that as DAWG has pointed out.  Well, at least they'll have the new style synthetic turf.  As DAWG also mentioned (and we discussed earlier this year), their actual fb playing surface was very nice a couple of years ago.  However, this past year, it was a disaster.  So the new synthetic turf should be of help, even if they have a turf management department. 

I agree that their press box and stands are in need of improvement.  While the alumni business man (Shive) who donated the $ for entire original fb complex when they started the program, it is at the bottom of the league "chart" for now, similar to what Olivet had before renovating their complex.  So overall, this and the new additional upgrade's to TSU's athletic sports park as they have "coined" it, should be very nice.

I wonder how long (if ever) it will take for Hope and Albion to "join the team" and get the new style turf?  (Kazoo?, well, unfortunately, I doubt they will, but IMO, they really should as we have discussed in the recent past).

The MIAA Media Day is always a neat day.  For any of you who have had the opportunity to attend one in the past, you know what I'm talking about.  Lots of handouts (media guides, etc.) and a good meal, as I recall.  I haven't been to one in years, so not sure if they still have a luncheon (I could check and find out, but I'm too lazy right now ;D ::)).

Anyway, great to see all the discussion here on our board gentlemen.  Let's keep it up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2007, 05:46:37 PM
You have to admit, Tri-State Thunder's "Thunder Dome" would have sounded SO cool!   :)

The overall impression I am getting is that while there may be some favorites for the MIAA title, there are many teams that will factor in, and a few upsets along the way.  Should make for an exciting season, and I am pumped! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 31, 2007, 07:03:21 PM
formerd3db:

Ive had the pleasure of going to two MIAA media days, one at Kzoo as a player and one we hosted at Adrian while I was coaching.  It was a fun time at both as you get to meet and greet with lots of league people and as you said you receive every teams fall media guide which is pretty cool as well.  Both media days I attended had excellent luncheons, At K it was a buffet type set up which was nice as there were options, at Adrian it was just a plate of food brought into you, granted it was still good food. 

I dont know how much of a rush Albion will be to put in the new style turf as theirs is generally in excellent shape, with few exceptions.  Hope on the other hand playing at a municipal stadium will have a better chance I would guess if they can get the high schools to sign on the dotted line with them.  I doubt Kzoo will ever get it, it goes against the whole not spending any money policy they seem to have established. 

Also good to see Rugenstein get the second team all American this pre-season, he is an excellent player and should have a great year along with the Hope Defense.

Uncle Rico:

You are right, I didn't even think of being able to call it the "Thunder Dome", that would have been great, "two teams enter, two teams leave" that could have been great!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 31, 2007, 11:15:15 PM
Uncle Rico:

Great name for the "not to be stadium"!  Also, great to have your enthusiasm on board!  + karma for you for that.  We have to get you started on that too!

DAWG:

Thanks for sharing your experiences on the MIAA Media Day.  Also, yes I think you are right on the "playing surface" topics.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 01, 2007, 01:28:45 PM
Regarding Pre-season All-Americans

The Hope - Wheaton game will have 2 outstanding DE's playing.
Should be a good game.

So does Albion suffer a significant drop off on DE after graduation of 3-4 that played most of the minutes. Sheldon was very good,Vernon was a tough stay at home DE. What do they have coming up? Should see what comes with Wheaton - Albion game.

Week or so until players report.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: INQBScout on August 01, 2007, 01:54:08 PM
QuoteThe Hope - Wheaton game will have 2 outstanding DE's playing.

Rugenstein definitely plays with a high motor...

What's the mood in the Hope camp? Seems as though expectations are high????

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on August 02, 2007, 12:05:43 AM
Finally,

The MIAA has gotten to 99 pages!


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Yes
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 02, 2007, 06:37:36 AM
My MIAA Picks for Media Day today:

1.  Hope (7 first place votes)
2.  Olivet (1 first place vote from Dean Krepps)
3.  Albion
4.  Alma
5.  Adrian
6.  Tri-State
7.  Kalamazoo
8.  Wisc. Lutheran

Let's here it....get your votes out....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 02, 2007, 07:11:52 AM
Quote from: HOF on August 02, 2007, 06:37:36 AM
My MIAA Picks for Media Day today:

1.  Hope (7 first place votes)
2.  Olivet (1 first place vote from Dean Krepps)
3.  Albion
4.  Alma
5.  Adrian
6.  Tri-State
7.  Kalamazoo
8.  Wisc. Lutheran

Let's here it....get your votes out....

WLCALUM 83's picks:

1. Hope
2. Olivet
3. Albion
4. Alma
5. Tri-State (should all hands stay healthy)
6. Adrian
7. Kalamazoo
8. WLC
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on August 02, 2007, 07:47:56 AM
I wonder, given the mindset of the new college president:

If Adrian finishes sixth (or even fifth) if Coach Lyall will still be there in 2008?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 02, 2007, 10:24:19 AM
The reason this poster put Tri-State above Adrian was mainly because of Adrian's relatively unsettled off-season assistant coaching situation compared to the other conference schools. I would hope Adrian's coach would be given more time after this season.

I'd also like to see WLC get 1 win (at this point--conference or non-conference it wouldn't matter.) The Warriors have a boatload of unanswered questions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 02, 2007, 10:47:05 AM
Some of you people must have heard more than the rest of us re: Adrian.  There has been a lot of rumor around the league over the past year or two since Adrian's President announced the Renaissance program which included the expanded athletic program (some of it I suspect is envy from some others around the league, however, I could be wrong).  As such I'm not sure that there is "discord" about the coaching staff at Adrian - obviously DAWG and bulldogalum would know more about that than the rest of us and they might be able to share a bit about that (hopefully without putting themselves in a comprimised position with respect to people they know in that program).

Assistant coaches come and go all the time at the DIII level and even staffs that have been together for a long time eventually will change due to many factors i.e. retirements, other opportunities either within the college or leaving altogether, or just "burnout".  Up until recent, Adrian has had a staff a long time (just like Hope did for many years the latter of which has began to reestablish that longevity again).  So it is no surprise that Adrian's staff has several changes and even with coaches leaving in a short span doesn't necessarily mean "trouble in Bulldog land".  Head coaches who have been with a program a long time are going to have up and down periods - it happens to everyone and I can't imagine that the president at Adrian is going to put Coach Lyall in a "win or else" situation.  If he does, I would have to consider losing some respect for him even if he is an alum of there.  Lyall should have the opportunity to go out on his own choosing - he has done a lot for that school over the years as has his longtime assistants, including those who are still at the school in other positions and/or retired.  If there are "rumblings", my guess is that it is from alumns but if so, they should think again about "throwing stones" - how much support have they given Adrian in terms of attendance in recent years? ::)  Again, I could be way off base, but from an "outside" perspective, just MO. ;)

As far as MIAA Media Day today, I would generally agree with the picks listed above - I have a "toss-up" for second between Olivet and Albion - can't make up my mind ::) ;)  On paper perhaps and from outside enthusiasm, I would pick Olivet second, but they have a tendency to be inconsistent at times when it comes down to the wire and my gut feeling says Albion.  Of course, Alma is always in the mix, but could be down a bit this year with the loss of QB Brehm and...as we all know, if Hope is picked #1, that has proven to be a "not so good" aspect for teams picked in that position in recent years.  We'll see what happens.  Also, yes, it would be nice to see WLC go out with a good showing this year.  Too bad we'll be down to 7 teams after this season, but at least we'll have that for the AQ. 

BTW, let's see who of our MIAA posters will be the one to put us to page #100!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 02, 2007, 12:05:31 PM
formerd3db:

I have talked alot about how the new president operates and I wont do much of that now, the only thing I will say is that he brings a Division I mindset to Adrian.  This can be seen as good and bad and time will tell how things play out there I cant say I know exactly what is going on and how things are being handled, the only people I think can would be the President, athletic director and Coach Lyall. 

As far as MIAA media day it seems all the recent picks go along with what I have had earlier in the offseason.  I will post mine as well again simply because its fun to see everyones up here.

Hope(7 first place)
Olivet(1 first place)
Albion
Alma
Adrian
Tri State
Kalamazoo
Wisconsin Lutheran
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 02, 2007, 01:14:07 PM
DAWG:

I know what you mean.  I also did not expect you to divulge publically some of the real specifics regarding the "inside" info you know for obvious reasons - as you were part of the staff previously, you should not put yourself in any situation that might be precarious so to speak ;D.  Thus, I think your general comments are sufficient.  As you say, the "mindset" that Adrian's president brings has pros and cons.  On the positive side, since no athletic scholarships are involved, adding sports brings in many additional students which is a ton of $ for the college.  Adrian's enrollment dipped under 1000 for the first time in a few decades last year which was not a good thing.  It is my understanding that they had to cut off applications this year which topped well over 2000 and that they want a target enrollment of about 1500 to 1700 at the most.  I do not doubt that they could get over the 2000 mark, however, the physical plant of the campus can't accomodate that many students at present. 

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens at Adrian in the future.  Thanks for your comments (and also your picks!) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 02, 2007, 04:53:35 PM
I read this board faithfully (but typically do most of my posting on the basketball side).  I couldn't resist the chance to make a predicition (and a shot to be the one to push this board to 100 pages):

Hope(7 first place)
Olivet(1 first place)
Albion
Tri State
Alma
Adrian
Wisconsin Lutheran
Kalamazoo

[EDIT]  Looks like I was the lucky one - 100 pages and counting  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 02, 2007, 06:07:06 PM
formerd3db:

The target enrollment should be there, I know they are bringing in a freshman class of over 500 this year and football is bringing in another 85+ more than likely, we will find that out for sure when they post their rosters after media day.  The size of the college was a big problem and Adrian had been suffering declining enrollment for several years, I think realistically at times in second semesters the enrollment probably dipped to right around 900 or below which is not a viable number to sustain a college.  The new administration has done a great job at least in their first two years of improving retention which is key, you can bring in 400 but if you lose 150 its not that big of a class after 4 years.  I think the perfect size for Adrian is around 1400-1500 as that would result in all the dorms being full as well as the other housing options which is not something that has occured for years.

The picks so far all seem to be fairly consistent with Hope at number one and Olivet at number 2.  Albion, Alma and Adrian in all but one round out the top 5.  It will be interesting to see how the vote shakes out tommorow.  In the past the Number 1 pick has been a kiss of death it was last year and I know it has been quite sometime since there was a wire to wire(for lack of a better term) Number 1 pick. 

Flying Dutch Fan:

Congrats on pushing the board to the 100 page mark, I think all of us are a bit jealous as it is an honor I know I wouldve like to have myself. 

It is good to see all the chatter on this board and I hope it continues to grow stronger once we get into the season!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 02, 2007, 06:50:39 PM
Flying Dutch Fan:

Congratulations on being the one to get us to the "Centennial page mark".  Although you are a basketball guy, I forgive you (especially since you are a Hope man at that  ;)).  Thanks for helping us out as well as your predictions.  BTW, like you reading this board, I read the bb board as well.  However, I think most of us try to stay away from posting there - you guys are vicious over there! ;D

DAWG:

The target enrollment at Adrian has indeed been already reached this year (I was informed of that by an Adrian official previously).  I was not aware of the second semester attrition problem they had faced that you discuss - that is surprising to me.  However, I do not think that they will have a problem retaining students now that they have reached at least the 1400-1500 mark.


Totally tangetial topic but...as much as I love college football and having had the opportunity to play it for four years, am I glad I don't have to do those "two-a-days" in pre-season camp anymore.  This heat/humidity brings back a lot of memories in that regard - not all of them pleasant! ;D




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 02, 2007, 07:22:56 PM
formerd3db:

I agree the two a days wont be a thing that I miss.  I enjoyed them as a player, but man they are rough as  a coach at least as a player you are afforded a little down time.  I never understood how much the coaches worked until I tried my hand at it.

The official results from the media day poll came out and are as follows (this is a combo of both media and coaches poll)

1. Hope (19)
2. Adrian (1)
3. Olivet
4. Albion
5. Alma
6. Tri State
7. Kalamazoo
8. Wisconsin Lutheran

I spoke with a person who was at the event and the coaches poll was more similar to the guesses by the posters on this board with Hope at number 1 followed by Albion then Olivet, Adrian, Alma, Tri State, Kzoo and WLC.  So now its official and we dont need to guess anymore but we can now nitpick the selections if we wish.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 02, 2007, 09:14:42 PM
I guess the poll doesn't surprise me that much.  Adrian at number two is somewhat a surprise, but if you look closely at the points, between second and fifth, not much room.  85 to 59...if you know what I mean.

I do have a question for you Adrian fans.  I read the Adrian preview on their website and it just dawned on me...I didn't see any mention of All-American DJ Howard and a good looking player in Matt Spangler???  Any insight?  These are the disappoinments in DIII.  I remember watching Howard two years ago...wow! 

I haven't read many other previews, so fill me in of any surprises.

One day closer to the start of the season.

I saw on the front page that Tri-State opens on Aug. 30.  I might have to get in the car and go watch that one...got that football fever. 

NFL starts Sunday with the Hall of Fame game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 02, 2007, 10:43:35 PM
HOF:

DJ Howard tore several ligaments in his knee in the opening game of the season.  He was out for the entire season and has found some success in other endeavors where he is turning himself a nice profit from what I understand.  As such he is no longer enrolled at Adrian as far as I know and is doing his own thing.  Once he was injured and out for the year I believe he felt a little left out from the team and felt he was an afterthought.  He was truly a dynamic player and a game breaker to say the least his presence on special teams was sorely missed the entire season and he will be a difficult player to replace. 

Matt Spangler was also a great player and one who had some issues as well.  He was not with the college or the program and was going through steps to return to the team as well as to college.  Last I knew he was not going to be re enrolling at Adrian and is actually out in Arizona.  He had been trying his hand in some Mixed Martial Arts competitions as well which is something he appeared to have success in as well as I have seen some pictures from his first bout that he won and he was laying down a pretty heavy fist.

You cant go wrong with the opening NFL game always fun watching some of the no names get a chance to shine on national TV.  I will always remember the Hall of Fame game with a touch of sadness though as it was the last game that Chris Spielman played when he was with the Cleveland Browns.  The football fever is spreading I cant wait to get around the league and see some of the teams play this year rather than just seeing whoever Adrian was playing!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 02, 2007, 10:59:44 PM
My question is why is everyone so surprised with the Adrian ranking?  The only game that they had no chance of winning in the fourth quarter was the season ending debacle at Alma.  Adrian has beat Albion five years in a row, loss 13-10 to Olivet, and even including the post halftime implosion at Hope they still had a chance to win it in the fourth.  Red headed step child I guess...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 02, 2007, 11:15:51 PM
ACRULZ:

I agree with you on those games, Adrian's season could have ended up much differently in the win loss column than it did.  I think the surprise however stems from the losses of key players at many positions for Adrian.  It is important to note that most pre season rankings usually take those into account and when you consider that Adrian losts its starting QB in Andy Denryther, TE in Brian McKenna, TB in TJ Williams , RG in Gabe Garcia, C in Carlos Lozano, WR in Chester Evans, WR in DJ Howard, ILB in Taz Wallace, ILB in AJ Marry, DE in Joel Howland, DE in Matt Spangler, DT in Mike Campbell and FS in Mark Westenberg it is not that strange to see why people are surprised.  Not to mention the installation of a new offense with new personell etc.  Adrian does have some very good players returning like Brandon Mohney, Aaron Kieltyka, Desmond Upshaw, Kyle Dunaj, John Ahearn(Potential all league OL) and some very good young players who have yet to prove themselves, thats what the season is for.  I think that Adrian could be again a 5-5 team, but also with the right breaks and no injuries has the potential to be successful as well.  Only time will tell if the ranking is accurate or not and I cant wait to see how it shakes out. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 02, 2007, 11:24:58 PM
+k all around for reaching 100 pages! :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 02, 2007, 11:46:09 PM
DAWG:


I'm going to have to disagree with you.  With all of those players Adrian has lost...they finished 5-5.  So maybe it was more coaching than anything else.  And maybe it is a good thing with the staff turnover.  Especially on the offensive side of the ball.  People always talk about yardage to gauge an offense.  Well from what I saw last season, yardage wasn't a problem...it was scoring.  AC's offense could not score.  I'm excited about the new OC and the rest of the "revamped" staff.  I think Adrian will win at least 7 games.  I just hope they can find some players for the O-Line and a QB...The O-Line was HORRIBLE last season.  Denryter started off rocky then warmed up but he was still only average.  But then again if would have had a good O-Line maybe he would have been more effective.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 03, 2007, 12:18:31 AM
ACRULZ:

I would disagree with the contention that coaching was the problem with scoring on the offensive side of the ball.  Many people want to point the finger that way and I have heard many point that finger at the former OC, people quickly forget that his offenses broke almost every single offensive record in both 2003 and in 2005, one down year is not indicative of poor coaching.  The thing that really hurt the offense last year was the loss of DJ Howard who the entire scheme was built around using and exploiting defenses with him.  When he went down, there was a need to change the way many things were done.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on August 03, 2007, 01:23:10 AM
Utes guys is worse than that A-Rod feller and Bonds.  One is chasing Hank and the other is flogging 499.  !001 pages egads!

Will be some nice NCAC-MIAA bids this season what with the Tigahs of Springtucky Ohio gettin' it on wit the Scots and the Comets.

Have some personal ideas about the Comets on year two of the transition from the winged T to what some would call the spread and I prefer to call the one back, but what of Alma with the loss of Brehm. 

Outside of the Marietta-Saint John's tilt, these MIAA-NCAC shindigs are unusual barometers for the midwest of Division 3.

Read some of the Alma stuff posted, and should appreciate more, but what of Olivet?  Any word to be had?  What's to be expected.  Are these the conference frontrunners?

signed,
WRXti
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 03, 2007, 07:08:11 AM
Thanks ADAWG for the info!

From what I hear from my friends around the league, the AC coaches have to win a certain amount of games this year, or else.  Might be rumors, but I just heard that last night from some friends who have close ties in the MIAA.  That my friends is a shame.  Some of these presidents don't understand.  Take aways the 70 plus kids these coaches recruit and bam....they lose some serious cash.  Not to mention all of the MIAA coaches mold these kids into young men that become great leaders in the business, education, medical world.  Shame on that President if this is true.  I've been around the MIAA and there hasn't been many coaches fired.

ACRULZ:  Great to have excitement about the new staff and new scheme, but remember, time will tell.  I agree, after going back and looking at everything, Adrian had a chance to win it last year.  But so did Olivet, Alma, etc.  The old saying....five big plays will decide a game seem to be true in every football game.  I wish Adrian all the best.  For the players sake, they will be fine, but five coaches leaving and five new ones will take some time to get use to.  I imagine some of those players played for the same coach for their whole career.  Kinda like that new girlfriend you get after dating the other girl for a while.  You see what you can get away with and what you can't.  If you know what I mean. 

I see Hope running the table simply because they have a great D and can run the ball every down if they want.  If you can run the ball, you'll be a good team in the MIAA and DIII or any division for that level.  You must keep your D off the field and control the clock.

I think we'll see a great race this year and I think I just put two and two together...TSU is playing Manchester on a Thursday night?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2007, 07:33:43 AM
Yes, Tri-State is playing on a Thursday.  Going to take a vacation day for that one!  My son is going to school on Tueday and he can't wait to get started.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on August 03, 2007, 07:48:27 AM
I am not an Adrian insider but know some MIAA football people very well. My speculations are based on what I've been told.

The new Adrian president reminds me a lot of Don Lubbers, the former GVSU president for whom their football stadium is named. He used athletics to help make a name for the school (and himself).

The bar has been raised on US-23. With the investments in facillities, staff, etc., there better come a return. He has already "promoted" Mensing. If Lyall doesn't win, I don't think he'll get a pass for long just because of his years of service or because he's a good guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 03, 2007, 09:56:01 AM
A little side note from the MIAA meeting yesterday - Tom Renner with an official announcement about leaving his position with the MIAA:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/080307/localsports_20070803049.shtml
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2007, 10:12:52 AM
Some info from Tri-State......

http://www.tristate.edu/tsuathletics/football/footballoutlook.cfm


Go Thunder!   ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 03, 2007, 10:31:30 AM
Rico

certainly feel the energy from the coachng staff even in the Pre Season info.

I like the idea of a high pressure blitzing defense. If you have speed this is a great way to upset a superior teams, rythem.

As I have commented before, I think TSU is on its way up in the MIAA.
I could be just caught up in the hype of a new coaching staff, but I like what I hear and have seen in the last year.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 03, 2007, 10:40:16 AM
After seeing the Media day preseason picks

I see a large difference between Coachs and Media thoughts except for Hope which is consistent as the #1 pick.

I think Hope should be #1 but I still will go with Albion and Olivet in a fight for #2

Every team in the top 4-5 had several close would have, should have games last year. The same will repeat this year. 7-2, 5-5 are only a couple plays away from each other in football if you compete and are well coached.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 03, 2007, 11:39:05 AM
Congratulations to Tri-State on earning full member status.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 03, 2007, 12:11:07 PM
Adrian's and Tri-State's 2007 pre-season team previews are now up on their respective athletics sites.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabashcpa on August 03, 2007, 02:33:41 PM
In reading the Tri-State preview, I see Eric Watt will be in the mix at QB.  He had a great senior year at South Newton, and I expect he'll give the returning QB's all the competition they want.  A good recruit for an improving team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 03, 2007, 03:09:50 PM
Interesting blurb about Olivet and the preseaon picks for the MIAA
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007708030369
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 03, 2007, 04:53:50 PM
DAWG:

I am aware of how potent the Adrian offense was in those seasons.  Unfortunately the 2006 season was not a beneficiary of that.  Also, to build your entire offensive or defensive scheme around one player is foolish, i.e. DJ Howard being injured...what do you do then?  You have to rely on your other players and get them coached up.  If not scoring was not a direct result of coaching, then what was it?  All good coaches know that you should never blame a player for a loss, bad plays or whatever.  Everything is a result of coaching.  Hope has some great players but they also have a great coaching staff, which is probably why they won those close games last season.  The Hope coaches made the right adjustments and the other team's coaches did not.  And of course there are some things that happen through out a game that is just considered luck or "freakish" but not very often.  I am not bashing the old coaching staff I am just simply stating my opinions on the lack of scoring by the AC offense last season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 03, 2007, 06:32:54 PM
ACRULZ:

I didnt want to make it seem that you were bashing the coaching.  I agree that a large part of any teams success is built around the coaching staff that they can assemble. I will also agree with you that it is foolish to put all your eggs in one basket with a certain player but it has been done by coaches time and time again, when that player stays healthy no one notices when they dont or have a bad year they do.  I think a more balanced offensive plan wouldve helped Adrian adjust but that was not the case.  Hope is by far the finest coaching staff in the league overall in my eyes, they always have incredibly solid and fundamentally excellent players who dont panic and play with poise at all times.  I think a key part of any team is the level of mental toughness that they have, adjusting to bad breaks and the like and that is always something a championship team shows.  But anyways in conclusion scoring was a huge problem, the red zone offense was terrible last year and I will admit a large part of that had to do with the Oline that Adrian had on the field.  There was not a sense of toughness or urgency with the group and they were rather complacent unless they were actually called out.  They were in the Westminster game after a sorry start and responded with the three touch down drives.  The group has some potential this year if some of those players are used the right way.  The offense should be creative to say the least and make defenses work with lots of formations and motions and personell pairings and the like.  It should be interesting to see a new offense for the first time in around 6 years although Calhoun always changed the offense somewhat from year to year it was still the same OC. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 03, 2007, 10:46:45 PM
DAWG:


I agree that a lot of coaches do practice that policy.  I also agree with you about Hope's coaching staff.  As an Adrian fan, I obviously do not have the inside info that you do, but I totally understand your points about the mental toughness factor.  That is a HUGE factor among the makeup of a football team.  Well it will be an interesting season, the is quite a bit of parity in the MIAA and I eagerly await this season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MId3Fan on August 04, 2007, 04:15:06 PM
This is my first post.  I have been following the board since my son first started considering playing football at a MIAA school.    Now we are a week from reporting for practice.  I am geeked to have him continue playing football and to have him getting a good education.  Prior to this year I had rarely gave notice to the MIAA except in passing, now it has my attention.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 04, 2007, 04:49:11 PM
Welcome MId3Fan.

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 04, 2007, 11:04:26 PM
Quote from: MId3Fan on August 04, 2007, 04:15:06 PM
This is my first post.  I have been following the board since my son first started considering playing football at a MIAA school.    Now we are a week from reporting for practice.  I am geeked to have him continue playing football and to have him getting a good education.  Prior to this year I had rarely gave notice to the MIAA except in passing, now it has my attention.



Welcome!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 04, 2007, 11:15:34 PM
MId3Fan


Welcome to the site.
You will find this a friendly well informed group, whom share the excitement of D3 colleges and all they have to offer.

Enjoy your sons games. Great thing to see your kids playing, something for them and you to be proud of.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 04, 2007, 11:27:08 PM
~3 weeks of 2 a days and film study and the season starts.

Big Ten and GLIAC also start practice this week.

My quick picks:

U of M- Good shot at it, Offensive firepower, Hope the defense can pick it up a little.
Got embarrassed in Rose Bowl.

Grand Valley- Been a cut above for a couple years in a row now, should get pushed a little harder this year in conference.

Hope- Returning champs alot of returning Seniors, I would say out of the 3 divisions this is the most open for an upset.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 04, 2007, 11:40:07 PM
After reading all the print media I could find on the MIAA Press Day...I have formed several opinions....

1)  Everybody thinks Hope is gonna win the league pretty easily.  I don't think it will be easy, as the QB is a little eratic.  What lucky rabbitt will Dean K. pull out this year?

2)  Looks like Olivet has themselves another Andy Storey....a 25 year old freshman.  God bless this kid for fighting over in Iraq!  Dominic is always a show stealer...and steal the show once again he did.

3)  The other four are jammed up in the race.

4)  In looking at the picture on the Adrian site, I couldn't help but notice that Coach Rundle was missing from the head table.  Anyone know why he wasn't at the media day, that was held at Albion.  Is his health okay?

Great speeches tonight at the Hall of Fame ceremony.  I was glued to the set from 6-10 pm!  8 pm Sunday night...Steelers vs. Saints.  Here goes the cable company's and the NFL putting the screws to everyone...putting this one on the NFL network only!

Barry just went yard!...755.  Steroids or not....that is a hell of a feat!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 05, 2007, 09:09:18 AM
Quote from: D306 on August 04, 2007, 11:27:08 PM
~3 weeks of 2 a days and film study and the season starts.

Big Ten and GLIAC also start practice this week.

My quick picks:

U of M- Good shot at it, Offensive firepower, Hope the defense can pick it up a little.
Got embarrassed in Rose Bowl.

Grand Valley- Been a cut above for a couple years in a row now, should get pushed a little harder this year in conference.

Hope- Returning champs alot of returning Seniors, I would say out of the 3 divisions this is the most open for an upset.

Way out on a limb there D306.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 05, 2007, 10:03:32 AM
Stinger  :) LOL I know way to go out on a limb on my part.

I am nothing if not consistent.

Really though, GVSU is a D1 school , with D1 players whom transfer in after tough time in D1 or no playing time. Northwood / SVSU should give them a go this year.

I am hoping for Albion in MIAA, but would not be surprised with Olivet, just don't think either can finish. Hope is always consistent, well coached and has a lot of returning talent sooo....

U of M after having a mental block and typically being "out coached" in OSU and Bowl games I think Carr pulls it out this year and plays to win from the start instead of playing not to lose.
All that said Carr is still a very successful coach who has the Burden/Luxury of being the U of M coach. I like Carr kids graduate and typically do not embarass the University, he is "old school" and that is a good thing. I know his players Love him, he treats them very well but expects alot in return.

Always being questioned and never good enough unless they win Big Ten and beat OSU.
Carr is Cooper of OSU revisited could win 80% - 85% of games but loses to Michigan and Bowl games doomed the guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 05, 2007, 10:47:51 AM
Ok, I admit I am a little biased and do not know the other teams that well, but I think Tri-State will finish at least one or two notches higher than predicted.  They are returning 21 starters and their coaches have another year of experience in the MIAA.  They lost a couple of close games that they might be able to turn around.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 05, 2007, 01:25:18 PM
Uncle Rico,

Yes Tri-State should be better, but the 21 starters returning are 21 sophomores and juniors, opposed to being 21 seniors.  So don't bank on a big turn around.  Senior led teams in the MIAA tend to out man the younger squads, experienced or not.

I say TSU goes, 4-6.  That will be a good thing for the program and the MIAA.  Help get some respect.

Raining like crazy in the great state of Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 05, 2007, 01:28:25 PM
Uncle Rico:

As much as they have 21 starters returning, some of those players more than likely will not start this coming fall.  I would venture to guess that they will have some freshman come in and contribute, some as starters.  Their recruiting class is supposed to be strong and I would be that some of those freshman will take jobs.  I would agree with 4-6 or 5-5 as a possibility for TSU and also as always say that they should be on the rise.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 05, 2007, 05:29:15 PM
A continuing mystery:

Why the perennial rumors about Carr's imminent retirement?  Heck, he's young enough to be JoePa's son! ;D  But I would agree that if he doesn't beat Tressel real soon, he is in danger of bcoming John Cooper, part two.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 05, 2007, 08:11:01 PM
I may be naive, but if that many starters are returning, chances are they will be better than they were last year for that reason alone.  In addition, as mentioned by others, if there are some incoming recruits good enough to fit in, that would make the team even that much better.  And Tri-States coaches will have a better understanding of the league, its teams, and D3 football...it won't be their first year. 

I am not saying Tri-State will compete for the MIAA title, but a one or two spot improvement in a league with the parity that the MIAA seems to have might not be too much out of the question. 

OK, I might be a little brainwashed.  I should probably try to sandbag more too!   :D  No matter what, it should be a fun season to sit back and watch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 05, 2007, 08:41:22 PM
Uncle Rico:

I agree that Tri-State will be a much improved team.  However I can guarantee that some of those 21 returning starters may be in that role due to need from last season.  The Tri-State coaching staff may have had no other choice but to play some of those guys.  From what I hear they just needed numbers last season and did not focus as much on quality.  With a year under their belts they may have recruited better players than what they actually have returning.  Of course what is sacrificed by playing freshman is game experience.  But like you said their coaching staff may have a better grasp of what MIAA competition is like.  As an Adrian fan, I hope they can knock off one of the higher ranked schools (as long as it is not Adrian).  Well week 1 is right around the corner, I cannot wait!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 07, 2007, 12:08:13 PM
So...

When does everyone report to camp.  I saw on the freep.com that UM and MSU reported this weekend.  Looks like UMs media day is pretty loose.  I always heard that about Lloyd...the players love that guy.

I know you have a rule as far as how many weeks you can run the season, but was just wondering when teams reported.

Any preseason scrimmages set up?

I think Albion usually does the GRCC thing, while Kzoo was doing Carthage and Adrian did Ohio Northern...still the same, different...throw it out there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 07, 2007, 12:12:32 PM
Adrian reports to camp on August 12th, 5 more days.  As far as I know they will still be scrimmaging ONU as they have been doing for years and years.  Its always a pretty good measuring stick, the years we have been able to take it to them or been able to play at the same level have been good years.

I just talked to one of the players on U of M's team last night and he said camp is like a prison, he said he didnt mind the practice but the incredibly long film sessions and someone coming into his room and making him turn his lights off at 10:30 reminded him of prison. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 07, 2007, 01:36:39 PM
HOF


Albion reports Wednesday for an afternoon meeting. Not sure when practices and pads start.

I know there is "x" many days of practice allowed before first game. Not sure what technically equals a practice, I would guess with more than 7 players and a coach present.

Since Albions first game is Sept. 1st I would guess that Albion is in as early as allowed, or why come in on a Wednesday?

I know players at Hillsdale , U of M, MSU they all reported this week also.

Hey I even watched, listened to the HOF Game, this weekend, I must be ready for football, 1 set of downs for many of the starters and they were gone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2007, 06:06:55 PM
The first date of practice in Division III football is also dependent on the school's first day of classes, which is why practice starts on different days for schools who all play on Sept. 1.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 07, 2007, 07:05:14 PM
Pat,

That may be true with budget, meals, etc. for the start of practice for some, but if my sources and memory is right you have so many weeks from your last competition.  Meaning if your last game is on Nov. 10th, you have XX number of weeks from your last game.  I think it is 15 weeks.  It might also be like 25 practices before your first game.  Maybe one or the other or neither????

I could be wrong, but thought that was what the NCAA goes off of.   Because if Albion starts school on Monday say, they couldn't practice more weeks then somebody else because they start school earlier than everyone else.  Did that make sense.

Just curious....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 07, 2007, 07:29:03 PM
Kzoo starts classes the 24th of Sept.   

I think I remember a past conversation about how their annual late start affected their ability to practice for the first game of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 07, 2007, 08:00:56 PM
They are allowed 29 practices before their first game, but with the five-day break-in period and the double-session rule, it will be hard to have more than seven or eight two-a-days before hitting game

Copied the above from a SI article about the new practice rules.
This was from 2003 season.

This does not address how early you can start but does address the number and type. 5 days of no hitting basically and a limit on number of 2 a days.

I will continue to search for official statement
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 07, 2007, 09:24:19 PM
Anyone have any word on Albion supposedly getting four Division I transfers in this year?  Heard a mention of it today and was wondering if anyone had some hard info on it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 07, 2007, 10:03:29 PM
http://www.ncaa.org/releases/diviii/2003042501d3.htm


Link to practice rules vis NCAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2007, 10:43:52 PM
D306:

Thanks very much for the NCAA link regarding the 2003 rules changes affecting pre-season practice.  Thus, it does appear that the rule basically requires or insures that a team starts practice no earlier than 3 weeks prior to the first game in order to accommodate the 25 practice rule and within the alternating double-single sessions and the single sessions in the last week before the first game.

For sure, as sac mentioned, then if Kazoo doesn't report until later as has happened on occasion in past years, they seem to be at a disadvantage somewhat in that they only have 2 weeks of practice before their first game instead of three.

Anyway, reading the official NCAA rules obviously clarifies this for everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 07, 2007, 10:44:44 PM
DAWG:


Albion getting four D I transfers?  I guess my question would be are these guys legit?  Did they simply go to D I schools and are transferring or were they walk-ons who realized they couldn't hack it at that level.  I have never heard of a D III school getting 4 D I transfers in one year.  I don't even know if Mt. Union has ever had that happen.  If you find out any info on that I would like to know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Brits39 on August 07, 2007, 10:59:35 PM
From what I heard they did get a few kids from D1 schools. And not kids that couldnt hack it, but kids who were small town guys that didnt like the Big School Atmosphere. And Mount Union get well's over 4 D1 transfers a year, any kid in that state that decides that they dont like OSU transfers to Mt. Union.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 07, 2007, 11:23:52 PM
BRITS:

All I'm saying is usually when you about the D I transfers, they are not the top scholarship guys.  There are a few exceptions, but on the average they are guys that didn't belong there in the first place.  I even heard that Adrian's D I transfer was a walk-on.  And I don't want to take anything away from the kids that walk-on to big school programs, a lot of these guys transfer out and become very productive at their new schools.  Believe me Mt. Union gets its share of DI guys but the same goes, not MANY D I scholarship guys transfer from OSU to Mount.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 08, 2007, 12:18:42 AM
ACRULZ:

Couldnt agree with you more on transfers, they are a mixed bag to say the least.  In my time at Adrian we had one DI transfer who was gone after a year, three DII transfers one who became all MIAA, one that played about half the time and one who never saw the field.  I have also heard the rumor that Adrians is a walk on and more than likely was a DII caliber kid so who knows what will come of that.

Brits39:

I can believe that Albion may get 4 DI transfers, but I agree with ACRULZ in that I would find it hard to believe that they are top level guys.  I would be they are more along the lines of DII type players who were either over recruited or who were preffered walk ons etc.  However it may turn out they are all studs we will have to wait and see.  If there were names and schools to go along with the rumors it would dispell this talk one way or another.  Also, as good as Albion is and has been, lets not compare them to Mount in terms of getting transfers.  Mount Union is hands down the best DIII program in the country.  They get DI transfers because they win national championships and offer the best of the best when it comes to a DIII program, not just because they have a small town atmosphere.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2007, 01:12:55 AM
Quote from: Brits39 on August 07, 2007, 10:59:35 PM
Mount Union get well's over 4 D1 transfers a year, any kid in that state that decides that they dont like OSU transfers to Mt. Union.

This isn't anywhere NEAR true, Brits39. Name me last year's more-than-four D-I transfers to Mount Union, or the year before, or the year before, ore more than ONE Ohio State kid who transferred to Mount Union.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 08, 2007, 10:37:32 AM
RE: DI transfers at Albion

I can not confirm or deny 4- DI transfers to Albion.

If you compare the 2007 media list for Soph - Seniors on Team you will find a couple new names not found on the Roster ( Albion Website) for 2006

Are these D1 transfers, other transfers or guys whom may have not played last year because the were "studying Abroad" who knows?

Regarding talent of DI transfers to any school in DIII.

If someone is a DI transfer, the only guarantee is they are a good Athlete, nothing more.
I know MIAA players whom had DI preferred walk-on status, as well as DII offers, and they chose for numerous reasons to go to a MIAA school.
The 2 in particular that I know quite well both made the choice because of the Academic reputation of the MIAA schools they attend.

If you think like I do , unless you are some "superstar" player with Pro aspirations, it is all about the "fit" for you on a personal level. College, Academics, social life...
If you are a DI player who still is looking to go Pro and are not getting your Opportunity then you head to GVSU, SVSU or some lower level DI, not DIII.

I am not bad mouthing the level of Play in DIII there are many great players, but it is Academics first and foremost. If you are truely gifted and want to try the next level, you will get noticed at a combine. It is just a harder road and requires a few breaks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 08, 2007, 11:23:54 AM
Alma's 2007 Pre-Season prospectus is now accessible through that school's athletic site.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 08, 2007, 12:23:34 PM
Tri-State football players reported yesterday (08/07/07).  Lots of team meetings and conditioning.  Don't know when they put on the pads.  They have a scrimmage scheduled on 08/23/07 at 4:30 PM at Tri-State, and their first game is on 08/30/07 at Manchester College (7:30 PM kickoff).

GO THUNDER!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 08, 2007, 12:37:21 PM
Direct quote for a friend of mine who is an Albion Alum and was a member of their coaching staff for a couple years but has now moved on to another school.  I asked him if he had heard about any DI transfers and this was his response:

"yes I have, 1 from austin peay and his brother, 1 from michigan state, 1 from central who did not play there but was pretty good at chelsea".

It would appear that one is from a Division I school and was playing football(MSU), one is from DIAA(Austin PEay) and his brother isnt mentioned as playing there and the last is from Chelsea highschool via CMU and did not play football in college.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 08, 2007, 02:44:13 PM
DAWG: 

How long did you coach in the MIAA?  It seems that you know quite a lot of people...inside scoop is always good!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 08, 2007, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 08, 2007, 12:23:34 PM
Tri-State football players reported yesterday (08/07/07).  Lots of team meetings and conditioning.  Don't know when they put on the pads.  They have a scrimmage scheduled on 08/23/07 at 4:30 PM at Tri-State, and their first game is on 08/30/07 at Manchester College (7:30 PM kickoff).

GO THUNDER!

Welcome aboard!  This poster was wondering when a few more Tri-State fans would begin posting. WLC's had some interesting games against that squad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 08, 2007, 04:56:53 PM
ACRULZ:

I have sent you a couple private messages via the messages system so far.  I dont know the rule on it, and what status you need to have to be able to return or what not, but Id be more comfortable talking specifics with you via private message than on the board!  Let me know if youve gotten them or someone else clue me in if I am missing some info here!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 08, 2007, 05:39:25 PM
WLC:


You're right the TSU and WLC series has been interesting.  WLC and Adrian also have had some very heated games as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 08, 2007, 10:49:32 PM
I've definitely confirmed the 1 d1 transfer from MSU from a reliable source
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 12:14:55 AM
ACRULZ:

You'd be surprised at who we know around the league.  So be careful in what you say! ;) :o  Anyway, you are right in that most DIII schools don't get that many DI transfers and if they do, it is usually one, not several.  It will be interesting to see if and how much they'll be able to contribute to Albion's program right away.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 12:22:09 AM
BTW friends, has anyone heard what the status is with Adrian's Wallace and Alma's Brehm as far as the NFL or otherwise?  I haven't seen anything posted on websites nor heard from anybody, yet on the other hand, of recent, I haven't had a chance to talk with any MIAA coaches.  If no one has any update info, I can find out next week (unless you guys beat me to it! :).)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 09, 2007, 01:55:28 AM
D3DB:

I think you may be surprised who I know!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 09, 2007, 12:09:08 PM
WLCALUM3:

We're just babies in the MIAA with lots to learn.  My son is a freshman attending Tri-State this fall.  We didn't know much about the MIAA until several of the MIAA schools started pursuing him late last year/early this year.  We visited many campuses, talked to a lot of coaches, and chose Tri-State.  We are very excited about where Tri-State's program seems to be heading.  My son had an opportunity with Mt. Union also but decided he'd rather be a part of building a championship team vs. trying to maintain one.  We believe Tri-State is on the right track, and we're very excited to watch what happens over the next four years.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 09, 2007, 02:54:44 PM
LetItRain:

WLC's progam also is a baby in the MIAA (the Warriors' football program has been in existence some 3 years less than Tri-State's has:)

Tri-State's squad showed a lot of character last season in several near-miss losses, a 14-point upset victory over 2nd place Olivet (one veteran poster called that the biggest  win TSU's had since joining the conference), and a comeback from 21 points down against WLC on the road last year. (WLC is 2-2 vs. Tri-State going into this season). Sounds like TSU coach Land has started a good thing, and if it continues, your squad will figure to be very competitive in the MIAA in the future.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 04:03:02 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on August 09, 2007, 01:55:28 AM
D3DB:

I think you may be surprised who I know!

I probably wouldn't be!  We probably know many of the same people well.  Anyway, have you heard anything about Wallace and Brehm?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 04:04:47 PM
LetItRain:

Welcome to the board and best wishes to your son at TSU (except against Hope, of course! ;D)

WCLAlum:
Glad to see you posting.  We're going to miss you on this board next year.  So guess we'll enjoy it this season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 09, 2007, 05:20:58 PM
formerd3db:

Hope was one of the colleges pursuing him.  Coach Kreps seems like a good guy and has the Hope program running pretty well - we were impressed.  However, Hope didn't offer the degree my son wanted and after all, these kids are going to college to get an education.   :)  (blasphemy, I know...)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gridironmom on August 09, 2007, 05:26:06 PM
Hello all - I'm new to your board - my son will be a freshman lineman at Hope this year. Our family is all about football, our boys play, my husband coaches (and played D-tackle at Wisconsin many moons ago) and my daughter and I have helped out with the team trainer role. I grew up in the glory years of the Packers and I have no brothers - guess who dad taught to love football  ;)
We are a true football family and really looking forward to being a part of the MIAA. We live in Wisconsin so probably won't make it to all games but we sure will try. I can see already that this board will help us learn our way around the league. I may be lurking more than commenting, but will speak up if I can.
gridironmom
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 07:38:55 PM
LetItRain:

Indeed, Coach Kreps is a great guy and coach (and so are all of his staff).  Yet, as you say, the academic part of the equation is what is most important and your son has to do what is best for him in choosing for that as well as a football program. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 07:42:21 PM
gridironmom:

Welcome to our board.  It will be nice to have a female poster on here - there are a few on the other boards, so we'll look forward to your views on the various topics and happenings.  That also means that everyone should be on their best behavior in posting! ;), although I will say our board has been very good in that respect as compared to some of the other boards.

Welcome also to your son to our Hope both with regard to the school and football program.  Top notch for both, although am the first to admit I am very biased! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: thunderdad on August 09, 2007, 07:57:59 PM
Hello all. I am new to D3 and this is my first post. My son  is a freshman at TSU this year. So far, this seems like a great forum. It got nasty on the gridiron over the last few years. Any how, anybody know anything about all the new freshman TSU got this year? I know this much, we have a bunch of top rated talent coming in and I expect TSU to have a winning season this year and go undefeated for the next three years after that.  If it sounds far fetched, that's because I am now a TSU fan and have no choice but to support my son's team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 08:18:19 PM
thunderdad:

Welcome to you as well to our MIAA board!  Wow, this is great having all these new posters such as you joining us here.  Good luck to your son also at TSU.  Admittedly, I don't know much (if at all) about TSU's team other than what the previous TSU supporters have posted.  So most likely they'll be able to fill you in on that more.  Anyway, again welcome aboard and...we'll see you around the board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2007, 10:15:24 PM
Thunderdad, it looks like us Tri-State fans are taking over!   ;D  Hope to meet you all at the games this year.  Were you there for the parents meeting Tuesday?  I like what Coach Land said.  It will be a fun season, for sure.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 09, 2007, 10:35:09 PM
Thunderdad:

I like your enthusiasm, and I share it!

"I expect TSU to have a winning season this year and go undefeated for the next three years after that."

There's something special happening at Tri-State, and you can actually feel it when you're there.  They are right on the edge of something big.  I have no doubt about it.

My son is a freshman at Tri-State this year as well.  Perhaps we'll have an opportunity to meet sometime at a game.

Gridironmom:

Your family sounds like ours.  Our lives revolve around football season and I love every single minute of it.  There is nothing better on earth than watching my boys play football.  I woke up Tuesday morning thinking "Finally, it's football season!".  Good luck to your son at Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 09, 2007, 11:05:42 PM
Thuderdad & Letitrain:

Welcome to the board, it is great to have some Tri State Posters around as they have been sorely missing since TSU joined the league!  I share your feelings on Tri State being on the verge of something big, Coach Land seems to have the backing of administration and some good ideas and coaches as well.  I actually know one of the coaches on staff and he is very excited with the program as are all around it.  As an Adrian fan I wish the Thunder good luck in all but one game this season!  Your sons have both made a great choice in becoming part of the rich history and tradition of the MIAA and could be a large part of it if and when TSU is able to turn it around and start making some noise!!!  Nothing beats being part of a program and knowing that you put the program on the right track!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 09, 2007, 11:51:44 PM
The CCIW was once the CCI (though the W was not added for Carthage, but for the since departed Carroll).  You guys never became the MWIAA for the soon-to-be-departed WLC, but what if Tri-State starts being a real presence?  You ever gonna be gracious and become the MIIAA? ;) ;D

[Though I feel that, to give proportionate representation to all schools, it should be the CCIIIIIIIW.  So the MMMMMMIIAA would be acceptable!] ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MId3Fan on August 10, 2007, 08:27:10 AM
Hi All,  My son reports Sunday at Hope for the first time.  Kreps and Ricketts won him over and he is geeked to get practice started.  It has been a little wierd having his old high school start practice this week and not him involved.  I am looking forward to watching a little football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: thunderdad on August 10, 2007, 09:46:47 AM
Uncle Rico and LetItRain:

What High school's did your boy's come from? My boy was a Pioneer Panther. I can't wait for the first game, I hope to get to go and meet you all. Any other TSU parents on this forum please let me know what school's your boys are from as well.

P.S. What are the Karma points on this forum all about?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2007, 10:57:06 AM
Thunderdad...I will send you an email.

I wouldn't want to embarass my son any more than I already do.    ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 10, 2007, 11:11:31 AM
Thunderdad:

I just sent you an email as well with data on my son.

I'm planning to attend the scrimmage on 8/23, and I'm also planning to go to the game at Manchester College on 8/30.  Will you be at these events?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 10, 2007, 05:31:58 PM
MId3fan:

Welcome to the board and, of course, the Hope family! ;)  Good luck to your son at Hope - it is a great place and program.

Thunderdad:

Go to FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) on this site and it will tell you about what the Karma program is.  Webmaster Pat has set this FAQ section up which should provide you with further info about the overall D3fb.com site.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 11, 2007, 03:44:12 AM
Whats the word on who all the MIAA teams are scrimmaging?  I know Adrian will be going with ONU as they have for years, it will be up in Adrian this year rather than Ida.  I forget the exact date however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2007, 09:15:45 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 11, 2007, 03:44:12 AM
Whats the word on who all the MIAA teams are scrimmaging?  I know Adrian will be going with ONU as they have for years, it will be up in Adrian this year rather than Ida.  I forget the exact date however.

DAWG:

Hope does not scrimmage other colleges as they have a final controlled intrasquad scrimmage, yet it is a big deal just like any of the other colleges.  I do not believe that Kazoo has a scrimmage against other schools either, although admittedly, I am not sure.

I have not heard anything about any of the other MIAA school's tentative scrimmage plans for this year as yet.  Alma traditionally has scrimmaged DII Northwood the past 10 years or so; last year Albion scrimmaged Grand Rapids Junior College; I don't recall who Olivet scrimmaged nor TSU or WLC.  Probably our new board posters from TSU can inform us of this.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 11, 2007, 10:23:03 AM
formerd3db:

I like that idea of an intersquad scrimmage in place of an actual scrimmage.  It was my thought that even though teams dont "game plan" for scrimmages they do spend time preparing for the other team during camp.   This time can be better spent doing install or even prepping for the first opponent.  Playing your own team perhaps in a special teams and a half with your 1 offense and 2 defense vs. your 1 defense and 2 offense would be interesting.  How exactly does Hope run their scrimmage, just a game type set up or your traditional scrimmage with special teams, situations and a half, something like that?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 11, 2007, 11:39:33 AM
The Scrim talk:

These scrims against outside teams are sometimes, in my mind, a waste of time.  So, I also like the Hope thought of intrasquading. 

The problem I have with outside scrims is this:

1) Nobody wants to show off their good plays, sets, blitzes, etc., due to usually film exchange with their first opponent.  Therefore, these hyped up outside scrims turn into basic plays, basic defenses, etc.  The old I don't want to give anything away, eventhough we've been doing this for 10 years thing.

2) Outside scrims usually always have one key injury.  I know this can happen in intrasquading, but at least the programs coaches can tell others.... "Hey don't do this to this person, etc., no blocking below the waist, no crack back blocks, etc."  I do understand that injuries are part of the game and my happen at any time, but you do have the ability to control your own intrasquads.

3)  Why waste time preparing for a team that isn't gonna get you a win.  Spend more time on practice and gearing up your own D or O.  Usually you don't have to prepare too much for a intrasquad because you see that same O or D everyday in practice.

I'm looking forward to the fall.....

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2007, 12:34:38 PM
DAWG and HOF:

Both good points.  I have to agree with you about the intrasquad scrimmage philosophy.  While it is somewhat of a thrill to play another school even in a controlled scrimmage to just "see what we've got and how we might potentially stack up" against a different non-league opponent, for example when Alma scrimmages DII Northwood, I agree with you that it actually serves the team better in preparation for the opening game by going with your own players.  In addition to those that you both mention, another important reason (IMHO) is that it does give players "one last chance" so to speak to prove "their stuff", particularly, say, those who are "on the edge" and competing for starting positions or special teams.

To answer your question DAWG, Hope runs their scrimmage by having full paid refs for the game, 1st D vs. 2nd O and 2nd D vs 1st O, however, new freshman players and others do get significant number of reps; the periods are placed into 25 play sets i.e. the offense gets 25 plays and if they score, kickoff teams and receiving teams get their opportunity just as in a regular game.  Similaryly, there are also special teams periods including goal line situations, field goals, etc.

The entire scrimmage is in a "game day" atmosphere - team photo takes place before the start of warm-ups, parents and many fans line the field, there are T-shirt and souvenier sales, college administration is there in attendance, full athletic training and medical staff with ambulances (unfortunately as you say, there is always the chance of injury and we've had a few in recent years); the entire scrimmage is done by 12:00 Noon which then gives the player the remainder of the weekend off (when it was held on Labor Day weekend, however, Hope's first game is Labor Day weekend this year).  Anyway, that is how it works at Hope.  While some people may think that is old fashioned, it has worked well for Hope.  I am also not saying that for other schools, the other way is not good i.e. each school and coaching staff has to do what they think is best for their program. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 11, 2007, 01:19:26 PM
HOF:

Great points.  I know from when I was playing at Adrian we would run the most basic sets of our offense and nothing else.  As a matter of fact we had a whole offense based on Jet motion and the jet sweep etc and we didnt even run it in the scrimmage, we only ran 4 run plays and 4 passes so we were quite vanilla.  As far as the injury bug is concerned I can attest last year with Adrian it was there, we lost AJ Marry a very good ILB to an MCL tear in our scrimmage.  But that could be the case in practice or an intersquad scrimmage as well, those injuries are just to hard to avoid.

formerd3db:

That sounds like a great set up that they have up there in Holland.  I like the idea of the game day atmosphere with the fans, it helps to get players ready, especially the young ones.  It is nice of Hope as well to get their players done early in the day and get them out for the weekend, I know Adrians scrimmage this year is in mid camp or so and from my playing days we had the scrimmage before the end of camp as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 11, 2007, 01:42:20 PM
Injury is hard to avoid in this game of football. 

I've been around some coaches who have told me of injury's at practice, game and some even outside of practice.  The moral of the story....injury(s) happen.

Time to go on the lake for the evening.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 11, 2007, 02:56:02 PM
DAWG & D3DB:

As a former player myself, I much rather scrimmage a different team, just to see where you stand.  Also It also helps with morale I believe.  Guys get sick of hitting each other all of the time during camp.  i think they get pumped when there is an opportunity to put yourself in a game like situation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 11, 2007, 03:43:04 PM
ACRULZ:

From a player standpoint I much preffered to play against another team in a scrimmage.  Its a great test and its different than seeing the same guy you have been seeing all camp.  From a coaching standpoint is where i dont necessarily favor it for the reasons already stated, game planning, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2007, 03:45:55 PM
ACRULZ:

Being a former player myself like you and DAWG, I can see where you are coming from.  However, one of the pitfalls with scrimmaging another college is that it can become more or less just an exercise for the first team players.  By that I mean the potential is there for the coaching staff to focus only on those players (or at least them and some of the top reserves) as to how they will be preparing for the first game only, rather than really attempting to see which players are going to "step up" and be potentially immediate contributors and choosing who is going to make the traveling squad or perhaps get significant playing time in the first game whether it be home or away.  If several players are "on the fence" in being equal as far as vying for a starting position, the scrimmage (aside from camp) is a legit way to see how they handle it under pressure. thereby allowing the coaching staff to make a decision.

Sometimes, however, in a scrimmage among other colleges, the "reps" are limited which cuts down on the # of a players potential reps on the field at that particular scrimmage; of course, that depends on the "rules and prearranged" design of the scrimmage itself between the two school's coaching staffs .  Also, certainly, anyone can have a "bad day" regardless of the type of scrimmage it is, and that doesn't mean that a player who does poorly in the scrimmage will not have opportunity at more playing time in the future in games, as we all know.  I'm just saying that the "atmosphere" in an intrasquad scrimmage provides for perhaps a better in-depth evaluation as opposed to trying to show that "we can beat this other team and especially if it is a DII scrimmage opponent" - priorities can inadvertantly become askewed even if that is not the intent or desire and that is just the nature of it i.e. no one's fault, neither coaches or players.

At an intrasquad scrimmage such as Hope's, it indeed is a "big day" and as a player, even if one is down the depth chart, if that player is not ready and/or can't get himself up for that (even though he's been scrimmaging against his fellow teammates during camp for the last two weeks), he either should rethink the situation or pehaps not even be there.  Again, everyone will have their own opinion and favorite as to what they would prefer with regard to this "final" scrimmage format (and this is just MO and there are pros/cons for both), but as we all know, as a player, it's out of our hands. ;D   

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2007, 03:47:55 PM
DAWG:

You hit it the exact nature of it i.e. the pros/cons with respect to the vantage point of a player vs. being a coach.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 11, 2007, 04:12:38 PM
formerd3db:

I know when Adrian and ONU scrimmage it is set up so that it is only 1's and 2's.  Simply from a travel position this makes it more manageable than bringing the whole 150+ person rosters to each others places.  So yes in that sense it fails your freshman and career backups.  But the scrimmage is set up with an open session for each teams 2 offense to go agaisnt the 2 defense for a 25 minute session and run as many plays as they can.  It gets the 2's some solid reps.  It isnt a perfect set up, but it works okay.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2007, 05:50:32 PM
DAWG:

I suppose that in once sense, you could say that a coaching staff would already have their "mindset" as to who the 1st and 2nd offense and defensive teams would be, so that a scrimmage with another college indeed would be a "tune up" for the first game and perhaps determine a few spots that might be "up for grabs" between a 1st and 2nd team players.  In relation to that, then perhaps now that a great number of college teams have junior varsity teams, that fills the purpose for determining further depth chart status among the newcomers and some other veterans.  Then, as we have previously discussed, the J.V. programs still provides opportunity for these other players to earn a special teams/traveling squad spot with a great performance and/or when unfortunate injuries occur to starters or second team players.

Still, I like the intrasquad scrimmage concept because even if players are "tired of playing against their own" after two weeks of preseason camp, it still makes them feel part of the overall team (even if they know their chances of playing much during the season other than getting in a game or two is small) - unless, as mentioned by others previously, that newcomers are told from the start that they will be part of the J.V. or in some cases, the "all freshman" team for their first season.  The latter I can see with colleges that have a ton of players such as Adrian this year, Hope, Albion, Mt. Union, etc., but in the case of colleges with much smaller numbers, I think that intrasquad scrimmage giving everyone "a final shot at it" works (although you can make a case also that those colleges with smaller numbers, their players are going to get a chance in the scrimmage against another college regardless, again, just due to the numbers situation).

I won't bore you guys further in beating this topic to death anymore, since I think we've all brought out some good points for either system.  As I said before, each coaching staff has to decide which format is best for their program.

Thanks all of you for an interesting discussion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 11, 2007, 10:27:01 PM
I would still have to disagree even from a coaches standpoint (I have only coached high school ball however).  If you a good enough job as a coach evaluating in drills, team, 7 on 7, and inside.  You should know who your top players are.  For the upcoming season a coach would need his 1's, 2's, and maybe a few other key guys ready.  As for the 4th or 5th offensive tackle or whatever, well he will get his shot when the time comes.  I don't believe that you can create a game like situation unless you scrimmage another team.  Thats my opinion on the situation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 11, 2007, 11:52:25 PM
Six in one and a half dozen in the other...

It is nice to have some former coaches on this board to provide their input.  Football is football, no matter where you coach.  Sometimes I think some coaches in DIII might be smarter than some of the coaches in the higher levels...they just don't know the right people.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I've met some coaches in the high school ranks, that could run circles around other college coaches, but just don't want to get involved coaching college with time and hassle, etc.

Any more schools report to camp this weekend?



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 12, 2007, 08:36:59 PM
Albion scrimmage (not sure if it is controlled or a practice game)

Saturday 8-25-07 @ East Grand rapids VS. GRCC. according to the GRCC website.

Any word on practices and whom looks good, for any of the MIAA teams

I read earlier that it was confirmed Albion has some transfers, any word on if they are a difference maker?
I heard 1 is a RB, another possibly a DE/DL.
Not sure of the others.

I had thought Albion would be tough with the returning players from last year, if Albions Defense which took some hits due to graduation, is solid they will make some noise in the Conference race. The offense returns a lot of talent, and gets some of last years early in the year starters lost to injury back for their Senior years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 12, 2007, 09:33:32 PM
HOF:

Thanks.  I also know what you mean.

D306:

Thanks for the further info regarding Albion.  It will be interesting to see how they fair out.  I have no doubt that Albion will be tough regardless of who they have returning.

Also, for you and HOF and the others, Hope starts tomorrow with practice after physical exams.  With this weekend's heat and humidity wave, especially today, I imagine it will be more than "a sauna" so to speak ;).  For all the players everywhere, make sure you drink plenty of fluids in between practices to keep hydrated (the training staffs and coaches will obviously make sure that occurs during practices as well).  Good luck to all players as they begin this week.  For the freshmen reporting, welcome to college football one of the greatest lifetime experiences you might have in many ways (hopefully positive for your personal goals); for the seniors, espeically good luck for a great "last hurrah" before the "cheering stops".  You only get one "go around" at this last effort so give it 110%!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 13, 2007, 09:46:46 AM
Great to see on the D3Football front page that several D3 Alum made some impact this weekend.

I think with the reduction of Scholarships in D1 colleges and the more "open" offenses that D3 players will be more common in the future. WR, Slot, LB, DB are prime locations
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 13, 2007, 09:49:52 PM
Adrian opened camp with somewhere around 80 freshman/transfers on sunday.  No official roster posting as of yet, but from recruiting experience there are some very good freshman in that class.  Whats the word on the other teams?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2007, 10:58:12 PM

DAWG:

Hope had about 172 report today.  I forgot the breakdown on that, but someone had posted those figures a few weeks ago.  At least the first day of practice today for the players everywhere in our league was not anywhere as humid as this past weekend.  Hope has about 12 QB's on the roster it was my understanding today.  Should provide some interesting competition.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2007, 11:08:44 PM
I believe Tri-State has about 150 players across the board this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MId3Fan on August 14, 2007, 08:24:16 AM
Updated as of 8/13:

76 Freshmen
42 Sophmores
18 Juniors
28 Seniors
____________
164 Total

reported for camp....but who's counting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 14, 2007, 06:15:28 PM
80 frosh?  172 players on the roster?  Those are some huge numbers?  MIAA teams must have been on the recruiting trails hard in the off-season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2007, 08:59:01 PM
MId3Fan:

Thanks for the specifics.  Yes, there was some attrition as usual (no shows and/or some that were not medically approved to start practice).  Still, those are some big numbers.  See also my comments below.

ACRULZ:

Actually, both Albion and Hope have had in the 140 range the last 3-4 years.  Even back in 1999, Adrian had about 177 players (a huge accomplishment for them - I remember seeing and saying..."where are they going to put all these guys, both with regard to the varsity and JV? ::)  It seemed like they "just kept coming out onto the field!" :D

Certainly, when programs get success, that draws in recruits.  Alma used to have in the high '60's but in recent years above 100.  "Way back when", in my playing days, Hope had 110 out which was the highest turnout at that time in its history (they even made some cuts after the first week).  However, as we all know and has been discussed in the past, there is always some attrition in the first week.  It will be interesting to see how things go in regards to this after this first week at all the MIAA schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2007, 09:02:10 PM
BTW, no one has yet posted any info in regards to my question as to the fb status of Adrian's Wallace and Alma's Brehm.  Does anyone know their current status?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 14, 2007, 09:41:57 PM
More scrimmage info:

Tri-State is scrimmaging Anderson University (Anderson, IN) on 8/23 at Tri-State. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 14, 2007, 09:54:27 PM
Ahhh....the first week of camp is always a good thing.  Tired legs, tired bodies, great spirit and competition....it doesn't get any better than this.

Presidents love this time....as they can walk out on the practice field and count their money.

170 kids at Hope equals big time money for the school.

Camp is always a surprise...coaches can get ticked off easy around this time.  They recruit a kid from November through July and the kid shows up with great potential, only to quit after one day.  It happens in every camp, but a big let down for coaching staffs.  A slap in the face if you will.  Probably the one thing I dislike about DIII.  No binding commitment.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 15, 2007, 07:13:43 AM
This seems like a great recruiting year in the MIAA.  Word from Alma is that their freshman class will be possibly the largest ever with around 450 students.  They expect 70+ freshmen at FB camp.  Alma will scrimmage Northwood August 24.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 15, 2007, 01:12:45 PM
HOF, I see your point about the binding committment and the player quitting.  I think it goes both ways though.

I wonder how often it happens that a player is told by a coach they are the best kid they have seen, a #1 recruit, etc...etc... and they show up and see 50 other kids that were all told the same thing.  They might feel they were mislead, and don't want to play for a coach like that.  Am I wrong, or aren't some coaches getting paid extra for the number of kids they recruit?  Using the football program to boost enrollment?

Don't get me wrong...I still feel it is best for a kid to keep his committment.  They also need to earn their positions.  No kid should show up expecting anything to be given to them.  And if they quit because they didn't think they would have to work for that position then perhaps it is best they don't play. 

But last I heard kids in div 3 aren't getting paid to play.  As a matter of fact, unless they are getting a fair amount of financial aid, they are paying to be on that field.  If a coach misled a player into coming to their program just to boost their numbers than that is a little disappointing too.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 15, 2007, 05:15:50 PM
Uncle Rico,

I agree.

I'm also on the fact if there is 300 kids on the team, who cares.  If you like to compete and your the best at that position and get a fair shot...then damn...you can't ask for anything else.  If your the type of kid that goes man....ten WRs...I'm outta here...that also tells me you don't like competition and the coach probably doesn't want somebody who doesn't want to compete.  This all barring that you get a fair look. 

Most coaches in the MIAA don't get more pay for more kids.  If coaches lie about playing time, it comes to bite them in the butt.  I don't think many programs give the old you can start.  If they do that...they're rookie coaches and will find that doesn't work and makes kids quit believing in you.  I think they sell their programs more.

I'm sure Adrian sells their facilities, Hope sells their overall record of dominance in the MIAA, Albion sells their attitude, Kazoo sells low numbers = quicker playing time, etc.

All is all...with everything I said...my perfect TEAM would be about 75 kids.  Two deep at each position, a couple of swing guys, some extras and four QBs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 15, 2007, 07:13:05 PM
HOF:

Good points.  Only exception I would counter with is that 75 IMO is just a bit too low.  2 deep at every position can be difficult at times.  That example happed at Alma in the late '90's; with about that for the linemen, they had a string of injuries unfortunately, to the point where they almost did not have enough to live scrimmage or at least take the chance to do so (although if you run a program like St. John's, that latter aspect might not matter ;)!).  By having some additional players, that provides an opportunity for some of them to "step up" when they get their chance even though obviously no one likes to see anyone get injured.  But that is part of the game as we all know.

Uncle Rico:

I agree with you that coaches should never promise playing time.  I agree with HOF, though, that no one in the MIAA to the best of my knowledge, gets paid extra for bringing more fb recruits in - certainly doesn't happen at Hope.

miaafan:
Indeed, we had heard that Alma's overall student freshman class was it's largest in history.  That is a good boost for that school, and with 70 freshman fb players, almost unheard of there!  Thanks for the info regarding the scrimmage.   

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 15, 2007, 09:13:53 PM
Thanks for all the comments, guys.  This is certainly a learning experience and this is a great forum to pick up knowledge.  The numbers that some of these schools pull in is great, and hopefully the MIAA in general will be a stronger conference all the way around as a result.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ScotsFan on August 16, 2007, 09:54:45 PM
It's funny that on the front page of D3football they had a photo of a Tim Hiller that is gunning for the starting QB job at Adrian.  There is a local kid from the Wooster area named Tim Hiller that is gunning for the starting QB job at Western Michigan as well.  He was actually the freshman of the year in the MAC before he sustained an injury that kept him out of action last season.  What a coincidence that there could be 2 Tim Hillers QBing at a DI and a DIII school in the state of Michigan!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 16, 2007, 10:04:25 PM
D3DB:

As far as I know Taz Wallace is not playing anywhere right now, but he is finishing his degree at Adrian.  However, this is only hearsay.  I am not sure about Brehm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on August 16, 2007, 10:59:44 PM
Not to worry, ACRULZ, hearsay is admissible in this forum, although it is treated accordingly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 16, 2007, 11:05:50 PM
bulldogalum, ACRULZ and D3DB:

LAst time I spoke with Taz things had fallen through in the NFL, his agent really didnt do much work for him and Taz fired him shortly after the Lions Camp, because the agent didnt do any work there wasnt much else out there for him NFL wise.  The other leagues were all playing their seasons already and therefore interest was low there as well.  He will be out of football for now, but is still pursuing avenues in the AFL and CFL as well as always listening to any interest from the NFL.  I believe also that he is finishing his degree at Adrian, it would be great to see him finish up and go for it with the new All American Football League that there is talk of starting up.  Needless to say that he is a very balanced person and as much as he loves football wont let it define him and he realizes that which is good.  I wish him the best of luck and hope all others do as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 17, 2007, 03:02:45 AM
Did a little Google research and found out some background on Adrian Colleges QB transfer.  His name is Mike McGee, got that much from the roster and he is a Columbus area native, played for Brookhaven High school and over his last two years passed for 3745 yards and 46 touchdowns, leading Brookhaven to the Division II Title as a junior.  He was a walk on at Ohio University this past fall and was red shirted thus transfers in with 4 years of eligibility for the Bulldogs.  If his numbers in HS are any indication of what he is going to do at Adrian things could be looking very good for the black and gold this fall.  Sounds like he is a great transfer in and it should be exciting to see how things shake out with him and the returners from Adrian come the season opener. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 17, 2007, 08:36:01 AM
Talk about the new football league and in today's www.freep.com you find a story on the league.  Ironic. 

I heard from a friend that Brehm is waiting right now as well, but is ready to just move on.  I give those two (Wallace and Brehm) a ton of credit.  Not many players who have the chance to be in a NFL camp can just let the dream die and move on.  But it sounds as if these two will be doing just that and I have more respect for them moving onto their professional lives.  That is a big decision.  My source also tells me that he believes Wallace and Brehm are pretty close and talk quite a bit.  Pretty cool if true.

Think back now...we had two of the most noted players in the MIAA last year in the history of the league.  Brehm was the DIII Heisman, while Wallace broke or ranks up to the top of numerous NCAA records.  I think he holds a couple.

Congrats once agian to them.

Now...who will be next....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchDad on August 17, 2007, 12:11:33 PM
HOF:

For what it is worth, this appeared in a story in the Holland Sentinel this week:

Hope College senior Matt Rugenstein dominated the line of scrimmage so much last year that he is getting looks from NFL teams

Rugenstein, who was the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association Defensive Player of the Year and an All-American selection, had a combine workout for the Detroit Lions this summer. He also was called by the New York Jets before he started practice for the MIAA season.

"Just thinking there's a chance you could play at the highest level is pretty exciting," Rugenstein said. "A guy from Ohio Northern (a Division III school) signed with the Jets last year, and he's about my size."

That size is 6 feet, 5 inches and 255 pounds.

"He is that big and he can run and catch," said Hope coach Dean Kreps. "I don't know where he would fit in the NFL, but he could fit somewhere."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 17, 2007, 01:26:37 PM
Dutchdad:

Having seen both of those players play (Trusnik and Rugenstein) I can honestly say that Rugenstein would appear to be the better prospect.  He is a play maker in all aspects of the game and the best combination of size, speed and strength I have seen in the last 7 years in the MIAA.  His ability to play the run and the pass from the line as well as to drop back and cover WR's is something you generally dont see out of DE's in Division III.  I would agree with Coach Kreps that Im not sure where he would fit, but I would guess someone may take a flier on him as an OLB type much like the jets are doing with Trusnik from ONU, everyone loves athletic OLB's that can rush the passer.  I look forward to watching Rugenstein play this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Carl Yastrzemski on August 17, 2007, 01:28:55 PM
I question the combine workout with the Lions. It is illegal for an NFL team to tryout  a player who still has eligibility.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchDad on August 17, 2007, 03:35:09 PM
From the NCAA rules on eligibility:

E. Tryout After Enrollment. A student-athlete shall not try out with a professional athletics team in a sport or permit a professional athletics team to conduct medical examinations during any part of the academic year (i.e., from the beginning of the fall term through completion of the spring term, including any intervening vacation period) while enrolled in a collegiate institution as a regular student in at least a minimum full-time academic load, unless the student-athlete has exhausted eligibility in that sport.

The student-athlete may try out with a professional organization in a sport during the summer or during the academic year while not a full-time student, provided the student-athlete does not receive any form of expenses or other compensation from the professional organization. [12.2.1.2]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Carl Yastrzemski on August 17, 2007, 06:56:05 PM
I never stated it was an issue with the NCAA regarding eligibility. It is an issue with the NFL and the rules within their league. I may have gone over the edge calling it illegal, but NFL teams simply do not hold combines for kids in the summer who still have eligibility. One reason is college coaches wouldn't allow it due to risk of injury.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 17, 2007, 07:27:16 PM
Carl Yastrzemski:

I believe the stumbling block here is calling it a combine when in actuallity that is not what it is at all.  Taz was worked out by two NFL teams (Lions and Jets) in the spring of his junior year.  This workout was done on campus at Adrian and was conducted by only two scouts with no one else present.  He was recorded in three 40 yard dashes, and they took his height, weight and measurments as well as having him take what I believe was a wonderlic test.  At no point was he tested in agility, bench vertical or position drills.  This is a very basic workout which just gets some minimals stats on players before their senior years to give NFL teams a bit more info.  I spoke with both scouts and they had just come from doing the same testing up at GVSU.  It is not a combine in that sense, players dont need to travel, there are no expenses and no benefits gained so it is completely kosher.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 17, 2007, 11:22:14 PM
Anybody see any of the inter-squad games today and I think Saturday also.

I know Albions was today, I could not attend anyone have any comments on how they looked?

Should be some scrimmages coming up in the next week also so the time is close.

I am sure the players are ready to play somebody besides themselves and be done with 2 a days.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Carl Yastrzemski on August 18, 2007, 07:50:11 AM
Before I first posted, I asked the question to a number of Scouts I know around the NFL. I heard back from scouts with 9 different teams(two of which are the head of scouting for their team), and all had the same response that nobody in the NFL tests or holds a workout for student-athletes with eligibility.  I got the same response when I asked a couple of ex-NFL assistant coaches. I guess the Liedowns and the Jets are in the minority and they do workout/test student-athletes with eligibility remaining.

D306,
I was able to catch a scrimmage yesterday. The team I watched had some unreal talent, stuff that hasn't been seen around the MIAA for a long time. During the whole scrimmage, I didn't see one missed tackle, one incomplete pass, one fumble or interception. However, I also didn't see one player or coach on the field. I am new to the Grand Rapids area, and a former friend (as of yesterday) told me I should go check out the Calvin College Knights football team, as they were holding a practice open to the public. Now I know why everyone looked at me like I had two heads when I asked where the football team was practicing. What a waste of a good Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 18, 2007, 10:17:48 AM
Yaz


Welcome to Michigan, you will Love West Michigan.
Great area growing and great wildlife, Beachs etc...

LOL You will find Calvin does have a very good BBall Team, and Track and Field.
Would like to see them get FB, do not think it will happen anytime soon.

Everybody enjoy the Liedowns today, I think the 10 wins Kitna projected will have to include preseason to get any where close but I admit they are improving.
Should air the ball out and look like WAC football exciting but gets smoked by any real teams. A few more years before they are a solid if they do not implode, need some talent in Defensive side after a few possibles if they stay healthy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: old 40 on August 18, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
Carl Y;
I never post on this league site. I am a former NFL scout, Retired last year. You are most correct as most teams work out D2,D3 and NAIA in their Senoir year usually during the season or right after. I never did full workouts during their seson. Usually observe practice, watch film and measure. Watching practice helps you evauluate Body type, feet, quickness, flexibility, etc.

Have I ever done some evaluating in the summer before a senoirs season? Yes, generally as a favor to a friend who is a coach who may have a borderline prospect. My son is a D3 Head coach and I usually evauate his talent every year. This was not at the direction of our team. IMO, some of the scouts do things like this and are interpreted the wrong way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 19, 2007, 12:35:05 AM
DAWG and HOF:
Nicely said about Brehm and Wallace.  I, too, wish them all the best in whatever life brings their way next, whether football is involved or not.

Carl Y:
Sounds like you got "taken" for a moment there, sorry :o ::)  We would have helped you out for sure if you would have asked us here and/or you could have checked the MIAA listing (standings) of teams in the league right here on this website.  At any rate, I join in welcoming you to our state and league area.  Besides, Hope, you have GVSU and GRJC in your immediate area as well (and Western Mich if you want to count it that far) for college fb.  Glad to have you around and we'll look forward to your posts and contributions here on our page as you see fit to do so.  Again, welcome. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 19, 2007, 06:42:52 AM
Carl - looks like they took that bait, hook, line, and sinker.   ::)

Those of us who know you from the hoops side and have gotten to enjoy your sarcasm for several years might not have.  Happy to know you're still out there - even if it is in Knight country   :D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on August 20, 2007, 08:08:21 PM
RE: YAZ

I think the taken may be on you posters.  Carl Yaz has been around the MIAA for sometime.

Those of you who remember Gregg the great Yashbi, may realize that Carl Yaz and the Great posted quite often on the MIAA basketball log.

Don't think he took the Calvin football hook, line and sinker, but I do think you all did!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 20, 2007, 09:33:10 PM
section7:

Well, indeed then, the joke is on us :-[ ;)!  I've seen Carl's name before on some other boards in the past, although admittedly, didn't recall his being on the MIAA bb board as I don't frequent that one much.  Nonetheless, just goes to show that we can take a joke here too! ::) ;) and I'd say that most here would say that any fun discussion on our board is welcome.  Some would say though, that Calvin should take football "hook, line and sinker"! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: K-Mack on August 21, 2007, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: thunderdad on August 09, 2007, 07:57:59 PM
I expect TSU to have a winning season this year and go undefeated for the next three years after that.  If it sounds far fetched, that's because I am now a TSU fan and have no choice but to support my son's team.

Funny and honest.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: K-Mack on August 21, 2007, 11:15:43 PM
Some info in Kickoff about the transfers. Just reading back several pages on this board, and saw the references to it, thought I'd mention it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MId3Fan on August 23, 2007, 08:19:50 AM
Are there any teams that have scrimmages against other teams this weekend?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 23, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
Tri-State scrimmages Anderson University at 4:30 PM this afternoon (8/23).  I'll be hitting the road to travel to Angola in just a few minutes....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 23, 2007, 12:49:51 PM
Adrian scrimmages ONU on Friday and I believe the start time is 1pm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 23, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
Albion plays GRCC in Grand Rapids Saturday 10AM at East Grand Rapids Stadium

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 23, 2007, 04:09:08 PM
Hope's Annual final intra-squad scrimmage, the Blue/Orange scrimmage, is this Saturday at 1:30 PM at the college's E. Buys practice field/Brewer Track and Field Complex, next to Holland Muninicpal Stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 23, 2007, 04:13:03 PM
I also thought that someone had posted a few days ago that Alma scrimmages DII Northwood University today as these two schools have done the past few years. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 23, 2007, 10:29:53 PM
Season openers are right around the corner...it will be an exciting season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 24, 2007, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 23, 2007, 12:49:51 PM
Adrian scrimmages ONU on Friday and I believe the start time is 1pm.

I think this will be a good scrimmage for both schools.  Adrian gets to go against some top level competition and see what they have under a more controlled setting. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 26, 2007, 03:06:55 PM
I will look forward (as I'm sure the rest of you will also) to hearing reviews from anyone on the various MIAA team scrimmages from the past 3-4 days.

As far as Hope's Annual Blue and Orange scrimmage yesterday, the rain cleared the time of the 1:30 PM scrimmage and it was a beautiful sunny/warm and mildly cloudy day; warm yet without the humidity of the last two years for this event and due to a nice breeze.  Good crowd (parents, family, friends, some community supporters, on hand as usual.

The offense did well and certainly much better than the past two years in this scrimmage.  Seemed to move the ball well with balanced passing and running games.  Linemen overall appear to be bigger this year and everyone appeared in much better conditioning shape as compared to last August's scrimmage.  Several key starters held out due to some minor "nagging" injuries, however, should be ready for the opener this Saturday.  Unfortunately, it was disappointing to learn that starting senior tailback Bucho is out for a two game suspension due to a violation of team policy (the nature of which is has not been, nor will be, publically made known).  Defense should be fine, but needs to work on some "fine tweaking" i.e. a few minor aspects this week, but should be ready.  Final team count after the usual attrition during the two week pre-season yesterday was 152, which thus having only 8 leave the program is not bad.  JV team should be well-stocked and plenty of opportunity for some to earn some varsity playing time, at least perhaps on special teams.

Wis-RF will be a tough oppenent and Hope needs a good win to start the season out.  Overall, though, most who saw the scrimmage felt the offense "had a shot in the arm" much needed after the playoff loss last November.  Hope should be ready for Saturday.  Like all of you, I hope the weather is great and a good turnout for the season opening game/first home game of the season.  Good luck to all the teams this upcoming Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on August 26, 2007, 09:15:27 PM
David Booko RB for Hope, not "Bucho"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 26, 2007, 09:32:11 PM
Ahhh vacation is good!  Just got back and ready to start up this short work week and get ready for some college football.

I was watching Wisc. River Falls on TV today.  They looked very beatable last year, but they were also playing Whitewater....wow!

Scrimmages I assume went well...

Alright game week preperations are taking place before us now...film is being broken down, scouting reports cut and practice is now meaningful....not that the others weren't meaningful, but you know....game week!

Time to watch the return of Donavon McNabish!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 27, 2007, 12:05:21 AM
Thank you section7.  I have a friend with the name spelled the other way and after talking about him today just prior to posting here today, I typed the wrong spelling for this.  Stupid mistake, my bad :-[ That's what happens when one gets old -er, like me ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 27, 2007, 12:09:46 AM
Guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow, oops, I mean later today for others to post and fill us in on the various other MIAA scrimmages.  It appears the rest of you were busy enjoying the weekend and remaining vacation instead of sitting in front of the computer today  ;D(actually, good choice). :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 27, 2007, 12:29:10 PM
I do not have much to offer, I was unable to attend the scrimmage.  I heard the Tri-State defense played aggresively and swarmed the ball well.   They must have been eager to hit someone else other than themselves for once.  I will be at the game Thursday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 27, 2007, 12:42:53 PM
Albion Scrimmage started a little late as changing field locations due to weather the night before. After late start weather turned out great.

Offense over all looked to be able to run, with several RB's coming back from last year and a returning injured upper classman who missed most of last year. He can fly, and hits the hole quick. Passing game has a lot of returnig starters in WR's and TE. The QB has a Gun, he is young and got a little playing time last year so the growth curve will be the key to success.
Recognition of defense will be his issue not talent, can not force passes.
The Oline will be a strength of the team, most of the line is returning and was solid last year. There is depth behind this line so I expect no real issues.

Kicking game was very good, 1st and 2nd team was accurate and good punt coverage with distance on the kicks.

Defense is the key to the season, replacing several key players, saw talent.
The Dline looks to have the most competition for playing time. Depth at DE while young this group is fast. Key will be "staying at home" and not trying to make the big play every time. Returning NG is solid and DT's need to build from there. LB play was fast, learning their assignments is key to success. DB's seemed to be quick to the ball and have some size.   Tackling was solid early sloppy later, not sure how deep these guys were in the rotation though.


Over all I thought GRCC which is ranked #3 in NJCC Division 1, "won" the scrimmage, scored late, so take that for what it is. GRCC is very big, on both lines, very fast in skill positions. Sloppy to poor on special teams, Saw a lot of CMU pants on these guys. Must be a lot of players working to get grades up for CMU or something.
Solid practice and the type you like to see. 2 deep recieved significant playing time. Everybody got in, no serious injuries.
Players got to hit somebody with intent, and you see plays, players that you do not know already. Got to see how the younger players react to challenges.

Great day, ready for the season to start.

Albion will be solid, the preseason is tough so I think Albion will be ready for league play and getting better every week with so many new starters on Defense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 27, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
I also have little to offer, had to go in to work early on Friday which nixed my plans on going to watch Adrian.  From what I hear ONU looked to have the upper hand in the scrimmage.  I had a friend who was there and he said Adrians defense looked to be ahead of the offense at this point, with the offense faltering a bit at times.  There were several players out for the scrimmage as well from what I was told which probably didnt help but was probably smart to get them healthy for the DC game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 27, 2007, 06:43:48 PM
Who is attending games this weekend?

I actually have a wedding in Fort Wayne to attend...how far is Defiance from there??

I know what Mapquest will tell me, but I have three hours in between the wedding and the reception...instead of doing the regular bar thing....maybe it is a sixer and go watch some football in between.  Interesting thought???

Of course I have to have someone drive me....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 29, 2007, 08:17:25 AM
Booko and Mostrom for Hope, both suspended for 2 games........

http://hollandsentinel.com/stories/082907/localsports_20070829039.shtml
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on August 29, 2007, 09:05:45 AM
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I actually have a wedding in Fort Wayne to attend...how far is Defiance from there??

It depends on location of the wedding.  If you're on the east side, near New Haven, Defiance is a quick forty minutes further east, depending on traffic lights (both of them, going up US 24, and three more, after exiting on SR 66, south, once in Defiance on Clinton Street  ;).  Field is only about a mile from the exit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on August 29, 2007, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: D306 on August 27, 2007, 12:42:53 PM
Over all I thought GRCC which is ranked #3 in NJCC Division 1, "won" the scrimmage, scored late, so take that for what it is. GRCC is very big, on both lines, very fast in skill positions. Sloppy to poor on special teams, Saw a lot of CMU pants on these guys. Must be a lot of players working to get grades up for CMU or something.
Solid practice and the type you like to see. 2 deep recieved significant playing time. Everybody got in, no serious injuries.



GRCC head coach is Jim Schulte who was at CMU for over 35 years as an assistant so Im sure the pants thing has something to do with that.  Hand me downs are always welcome at the JUCO level!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 29, 2007, 05:35:21 PM
Lakeshore

Quality info.
You are probably right.

Finally the season starts for College football best time of the year, Baseball races, Pro Football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 30, 2007, 01:07:11 AM
The weather forecast for Manchester calls for nothing but THUNDER all night long!     Go Tri-State!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 30, 2007, 01:07:11 AM
The weather forecast for Manchester calls for nothing but THUNDER all night long!     Go Tri-State!   ;D

Wow, kinda cheesy but it definitely got a chuckle out of me.

Enjoy the game. Good luck tonight to all involved.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 30, 2007, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 30, 2007, 01:07:11 AM
The weather forecast for Manchester calls for nothing but THUNDER all night long!     Go Tri-State!   ;D

Wow, kinda cheesy but it definitely got a chuckle out of me.

Enjoy the game. Good luck tonight to all involved.

VERY CHEESY, but I just got a little fired up for the start of the season! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 30, 2007, 10:31:25 AM
I had planned on attending 5 Adrian games this season but now that isnt in the plans.  I have 4 open saturdays and would love to check out some other MIAA games.  If anyone could recommend games for the dates of Sept. 22nd, Oct. 20th, Nov.3 and Nov. 10th I would be interested to check something different out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 30, 2007, 10:38:13 AM
Here is a story from the Detroit Free Press on Rugenstein from Hope.

Rugenstein story (http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070829/SPORTS08/708290383/0/SPORTS06&theme=COLLEGEFB07&GID=69MlzKKiS+NskwuSj/45wfBob9Utm2LLYLT855HqViA%3D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 30, 2007, 10:40:52 AM
Here is the Detroit Free Press "All-Small College Team" from their college football preview.   All-Small College Team (http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070829/SPORTS08/708290306/0/SPORTS06&theme=COLLEGEFB07)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 30, 2007, 10:43:10 AM
Here is some MIAA info from Alma and Tri-State that was in the Detroit Free Press.  I was pretty amazed that they got the DIII info correct.  MIAA info (http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070829/SPORTS08/708290402/0/SPORTS06&theme=COLLEGEFB07)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 30, 2007, 10:59:59 AM
Have been a big fan of Rugenstein. One tough kid who stood out from the minute he hit the field. Best of luck as he moves forward...and yes, stay off the skateboard!!

Uncle Rico - I don't think it was cheesy at all. Sure did make me laugh. Good way for me to start the day!!!

Wow, welcome, a bit late, to all the Thunder fans. Good to see you all so fired up about the new season. Best of luck to your team.

Picks for this weekends game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 30, 2007, 11:32:14 AM
I just have to say congrats to the Thunder.  Tonight will be their first official contest (in any sport) as an official member of NCAA DIII!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 11:41:09 AM
Oooh, nice nugget. We may need to use that later. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 30, 2007, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 30, 2007, 11:32:14 AM
I just have to say congrats to the Thunder.  Tonight will be their first official contest (in any sport) as an official member of NCAA DIII!!!

I'm going to technically challenge this.........the TSU women's golf team hosted an invitational this past weekend.

http://www.tristate.edu/tsuathletics/womensgolf/wgol_headlines.cfm
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 30, 2007, 01:15:26 PM
.......and I'm going to technically challenge myself.  TSU becomes an official D3 member on September 1, 2007

http://www.tristate.edu/tsuathletics/news/index.cfm
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 30, 2007, 01:36:26 PM
+k sac
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on August 30, 2007, 04:48:45 PM
Are we picking here?

Lets go with TSU over Manchester - now is the time for TSU to step up.
Adrian at Defiance - go with the home team.
Albion at Butler - stay with the home team.
UWRF at Hope - gotta stay with the home team and go against a WI team.
Aurora at WLC - Being a homer gotta go with the home team - is'nt this game in IL?

Stay healthy this weekend guys - enjoy the long weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 30, 2007, 06:20:00 PM
Quote from: wlcalum on August 30, 2007, 04:48:45 PM
Are we picking here?

Lets go with TSU over Manchester - now is the time for TSU to step up.
Adrian at Defiance - go with the home team.
Albion at Butler - stay with the home team.
UWRF at Hope - gotta stay with the home team and go against a WI team.
Aurora at WLC - Being a homer gotta go with the home team - is'nt this game in IL?

Stay healthy this weekend guys - enjoy the long weekend.

WLCALUM83's picks:

TSU over Manchester in a tight one.
Defiance over Adrian
Albion over Butler
Hope over UW-River Falls
Aurora over WLC (hope the Warriors at least do better than they did in their opener last season).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 30, 2007, 06:37:41 PM
sac:
Thanks for the link.  Word was out but "mum" by college administrators and coaching staff on Saturday at the scrimmage for obvious reasons.  I assume it wasn't officially made public (generally) until the college and players allowed the interview with the Sentinel.  At any rate, while unfortunate for the players and Hope, those things happen in life and hopefully, the players will learn from it.  I dare say we've all made some stupid mistakes and done some stupid things in our lives, so while sad to see, I'm sure most of us can relate to this situation in that sense.  Although it does cause some disappointment for the players involved from an individual and personal standpoint (aside from the coaching staff, team, student population and community), it does provide an opportunity for the other players who will be in their place to "step up".  I'm sure they would prefer the latter to occur through other circumstances, nonetheless, that is part of the game and life and when presented with a chance regardless, one must be ready for the challenge.  Overall, I think Hope will be ready for opening day as far as the "right attitude".  I wish everyone there, including Booko and Mostrom, all the best.

wlcalum:
Here are my picks for the weekend:

Tri-State over Manchester (TSU a stronger team on the rise with great expectations and enthusiasm, but while making strides also, Manchester not quite there yet)
Defiance over Adrian (sorry DAWG and bulldog and colleagues ;D)
Butler over Albion (DIAA Bulldogs should be improved)
Hope over UW-RF (RF is always tough, however, Hope good attitude and appearing stronger (assuming backups do well despite loss of Booko) and as you say, it's a home game with good community crowd).
WLC over Aurora (admittedly, don't know much about either team other than what you and others have posted.  However, it's a home game for WLC and Aurora, while not being a team that is not "hungry", they apparently are in a rebuilding stage as well.  Again, I would go with the home team advantage).

Good luck to all the teams though.  Of course, may the best teams win and it also appears that the weather reports (at least so far) say it will be beautiful days for Saturday college football.  I wish everyone a great time at the games and also a safe and enjoyable Labor Day weekend.  Everyone travel safe and smart.   (BTW, Too bad Hope has classes on Labor Day Monday, though :( ??? :P)
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 30, 2007, 06:42:16 PM
Uncle Rico and Pat:
Have to give you guys a +k for the "cheesy" comments! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 30, 2007, 07:29:54 PM
Tri-State vs. Manchester on deck:
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 30, 2007, 07:50:50 PM
Manchester 3, Tri-State 0--6:15 left in 1st Qrtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 30, 2007, 08:05:23 PM
End of 1st Quarter:  Manchester 3, Tri-State 0.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 30, 2007, 08:43:02 PM
Halftime:  Manchester 3, Tri-State 0. (To this point, both offenses have sputtered--TSU has given up 3 INT's already but the Thunder D is on its' game.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 30, 2007, 09:24:44 PM
Picks for the Weekend:

I will forgo picking the TSU Manchester game as it is in progress.

Adrian @ Defiance: I am going with the home team as both have undergone alot of change in the offseason
Albion @ Butler:  Taking Albion, they played them tough the last two years and I like the squad they have.
UWRF @ Hope:  Tons of talent, great coaching and the home field, I take Hope.
Aurora @ WLC:  I will take the home team as I admittedly know little about either.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 30, 2007, 09:59:36 PM
Tri-State has taken the lead, scoring 14 unanswered poiints, but Manchester just scored with a failed 2-pt conversion attempt. It's now 14-9 TSU with approx. 12 minutes left in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 30, 2007, 10:42:20 PM
WLCalum:

What's the latest on TSU/Manchester?  Is it a final yet ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on August 30, 2007, 11:06:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 30, 2007, 10:42:20 PM
WLCalum:

What's the latest on TSU/Manchester?  Is it a final yet ???

According to the scoreboard here on d3football.com, Tri-State won, 14-9.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 31, 2007, 07:17:27 AM
Friday morning....I'm jacked for kick-off on Saturday of the college football season.  I know some played last night, but come on....nothing like tailgating on Saturday morning, listening to some Michigan football pregame in the parking lot and going to watch some college football.   Then I remember....I got a wedding!  Ahhh well....I'll still work something out someway.  Doesn't look like I can make the trip to Defiance, but I'm sure I can find a bar with a TV and nice beverage.

Tri-State wins...congrats.  I know it is the first game, but to only beat a bad Manchester team 14-9...leaves me wondering what is going on.  I see their QB chucked three INTs, while Manchester's threw four.  If that is the same kid as last year, TSU's passing game will be below average.

Did they run the Wing Tish?  Spread?  They dropped back 30 times....I'd be curious...

Anyways....don't want to steal their THUNDER (no pun intended), but fill us in, whoever attended...

My picks:

Adrian 21, Defiance 14:  Adrian appears to have good overall team speed from everything I read.  Speed usually makes big plays early and Adrian will have three of them Saturday.

Albion 35, Butler 21:  Albion takes it to the Bulldogs in the new Butler Bowl.  I assume they are playing back on campus this year and not off campus.  Butler has the awesome schedule to recruit from, but too many kids in Indiana dream about playing in Hinkle fieldhouse, not the Butler Bowl.

UW-Riverfalls 28, Hope 24:  I saw Riverfalls on TV last week.  They have some good talent.  Hope is without their starting RB.  Though they think they can replace him....the mojo of having Booko out will affect the team.

Aurora 35, WLC 7:  No Matt Kehl = no offense.  I don't know, but I gotta believe last year they struggled to score with him....now without him....Dennis Miller might not sleep tonight.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 31, 2007, 08:50:51 AM
Congratulations to Tri-State on the win last night.  I know Manchester is far from a powerhouse team, but it was an early road win for TSU, which is never a bad thing.

My picks for tomorrow:

Adrian over Defiance
Butler over Albion
UWRF over Hope
Aurora over WLC
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 31, 2007, 12:59:05 PM
I could "eat my words" here, however, for those of you who are skeptical about Hope tomorrow due to the loss of starting RB Booko, I wouldn't count out replacement Jones.  He is a tough RB and has looked very good in camp (according to my sources).  Granted, he is a "rookie" so to speak with regards to varsity experience, he just might be a surprise and we've all seen that happen on occasion at other schools.  Certainly, however, as I and others previously mentioned, UW-RF is no sloutch team and Hope had better come with their "A" game or it could be a repeat start of last year in losing the opener.  Of course, I HOPE that doesn't happen. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 31, 2007, 11:14:43 PM
With my Thunder blue colored glasses on, I would have to say that the Tri-State game was a good start.  They played a comparably ranked team at their place, on the road, and got the W.   They lost to Manchester last year.

The defense played awesome...they clamped down on Manchester when they had to.  The offense sputtered in the first half, but the coaches made good adjustments, the team executed, and scored two td's in third quarter.  Defense sealed the deal with some big int's.  Still more work to be done, they are a relatively young team, but they showed they could play under pressure. 

http://www.tristate.edu/tsuathletics/football/footballnews.cfm


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 01, 2007, 05:27:23 PM
Any Adrian fan's our there have the final to the DC vs. Adrian game?  Last I heard Adrian was putting an unfortunate whooping on DC 35-7 at half.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 01, 2007, 07:07:15 PM
Adrian won the game 35-9.  Thats what I heard as a final which would mean DC got a safety towards the end.  Congrats to the bulldogs on starting off strong, perhaps the transitions will not effect them as much as I previously thought, but time will tell.

I also appear a bit foolish taking Hope and Albion, anyone have any insight as to what happened in those contests?

Lastly, for all you U of M fans out there, How bout your wolverines?  I was very glad to see Appalachin State pull it out after outplaying Michigan for the game.  If you are a fan of U of M or not, you have to be happy for those kids, thats a career win right there.  As for U of M things look bleak, I cant imagine they wont take a severe drop in the polls, this is the first time ever that an AP top 25 team has lost to a DIAA opponent so thats probably going to hurt.  As for a national championship this season that looks slim to, a BCS game is probably only going to happen with a Big Ten Championship and with the way U of M's defense was exploited.  Anyone else have thoughts on that game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 01, 2007, 07:16:30 PM
WLC gets a win 23-13. Thats what I get for picking against them. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2007, 08:50:04 PM
DAWG:

Congratulations to your alma mater on their big win against Defiance.  I was surprised at the score as I would have thought it to be a closer game.

As far as the Hope debacle today (a 54-24 loss), for us about the only good thing was the great weather (quite hot mid-'70's and clear blue sunny skies) and nice decent crowd, at least for a Labor Day weekend.  It was not a fun day for Hope; quite frankly it was ugly.  Hope's defense could not handle UW-RF's huge OL which averaged 302 lbs (from LT - RT across: 285, 282, 330, 325, 290) - they were huge and not slow; Hope's secondary self destructed being unable to cover simple seam passes which went for TD's (despite 5 DB's).  There were glimmers of hope (no pun intended) with some defensive stops, however, I fear that poor tackling techinque still has it's tendency to haunt from last year.  Offensively, QB Manning did not have a good day passing (either errant throws and/or no time to set up), Hope could not get "around end" in their ground game, Jones and Rodriquez gave admiral efforts in filling in for Booko, but overall, just no offensive punch today.  Another aspect, IMO and that of many others, was the extreme lack of enthusiasm today by the Hope players for some reason.  Perhaps it was the shock of initially falling behind and not being able to generate any momentum. 

Overall, UW-RF appears to be a very good team, although it is somewhat difficult to give a true appraisal since Hope played so poorly.  As for Hope, unfortunately, there is a lot of work to do between now and next week when Central, IA comes in.  I fear a repeat of last year's start - I hope I am wrong.

As to the Albion game, the information I relate is from the Bulter Univ. athletics website.  It appears Butler has returned to improved form at least as far as a D-IAA non-scholarship team (sorry, I mean the former D-IAA classification!) with a 42-14 pasting of Albion.  Same weather conditions and crowd size there as at the Hope game.  People can read the box score/game review on Butler's website.  Not sure if that means Albion is not as good as last year or just had a bad day and/or Butler vastly improved - perhaps a combination of all to some degree.

WLCalum:  Congratulations to WLC on their win.  I had a feeling they would pull a "W" today - just a hunch, as again, I admittedly didn't really know anything about the two teams.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2007, 08:59:37 PM
DAWG:

I forgot to opine on the Mich/Appl.St. game.  It is, for sure, a sad day for U of M, however, as many people indicated, Appl.St is no slouch team.  Anyone who saw them in the last two D-IAA Championship games (now the Championship Division) can attest to that.  It just goes to support what I and many others have said in past discussions on such a topic, that any given day, anything can happen and indeed, a team that perhaps should not have a chance to upset a major level team can certainly do it.  Some have pointed out to the parity in college football over recent years (due to the scholarship limits), however, regardless of that, it cannot be denied that this is a great opportunity and happening for a school such as Appl.St.  Probably, the greatest victory in the history of their program, although I would agree with others that perhaps the greatest upset in college football history still remains the 1921 Centre College upset of Harvard.  Anyway, you all know that it will be a tense and "not happy" atmosphere in Ann Arbor this week.  Like you, I will be interested to hear others comments on this game and it's potential effect.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 01, 2007, 09:07:58 PM
formerd3db,

big win for Thomas More today with a freshman QB playing (starter is out with an ACL)...over Hanover in what looks to be the final game of the rivalry...

IMO, Lloyd Carr just buried himself today.  NO WAY does he survive this season in Ann Arbor.  A proud program will not stand for what happened today.  As well as App St played today, the Wolverines were simply not ready to play today. 

Hope you are doing well...about time the 2007 season got started
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 01, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
formerd3db:

I would say that Michigan was rather foolish to even schedule App St.  When you want to play a cupcake team, you generally play a cupcake, not the best cupcake in the country the last two years.  I have watched App st play several times on TV the last two seasons and what always struck me was the speed which they had.  That was something Michigan had no answer for today, which was highlighted on that long TD in the first quarter when Michigans players had no chance in catching the young man from App. St.  I think this game also speaks to the greed of DI football these days, expanding the schedule so that the power schools can beat up on weaker competition while making millions in revenue.  This is what can happen, theres no reason a school should play twelve games in a season and not have a playoff, its absurd.  I am glad to see the knock off and I think the best part at least in my eyes is that these games always come with quite the payout something in the 300-500K range.  So it must be nice for App St to walk in, beat U of M and ruin their season and also get handed a large check for doing so, thats not bad work if you can get it. 

On another note I dont see how U of M can stay in the Top 25 after this game.  It would be one thing if they played a lesser DI school and lost, I would chalk that up to a bad game.  However a top 5 team even on a bad day should be able to dispatch a DIAA opponent.  If any voter can honestly cast his vote this upcoming week and explain how U of M is a top 25 team after losing to a team that isnt even a top 119 by virtue of their classification id love to hear it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2007, 10:03:05 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 01, 2007, 09:07:58 PM
formerd3db,

big win for Thomas More today with a freshman QB playing (starter is out with an ACL)...over Hanover in what looks to be the final game of the rivalry...

IMO, Lloyd Carr just buried himself today.  NO WAY does he survive this season in Ann Arbor.  A proud program will not stand for what happened today.  As well as App St played today, the Wolverines were simply not ready to play today. 

Hope you are doing well...about time the 2007 season got started

SaintsFAN:

Good to hear from you.  Congratulations on TMC's opening day win - it is always great to have the first game be a "W".  I saw your previous posts regarding the apparent end of the TMC/Hanover rivalry - that is unfortunate.  Perhaps they get another two year series in future years.  I compare it to Hope's on/off rivalry with Wabash and DePauw (and Wheaton).  It changes every few years.  

I would have to agree with you about U of Mich.  However, while I think Carr is in his last year (either via retirement or being let go), I am not quite convinced that the Mich "brass" would do it until towards the end of the season - if they are going to.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see what plays out.  I am a Wolverine fan as my dad is an alum and my nephew is a junior there.

I am doing satisfactory.  Hope you are doing well.  Indeed, like you, I am glad to see football season here.  Talk to you again soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2007, 10:08:54 PM
DAWG:

I've watched App'l.St. on TV too and have the same opinion as yourself (indeed speed and not bad size either).  I agree with you also regarding the 12 game set up - ridiculous.  As I mentioned in regard to multifple discussions that have occurred regarding this topic in the last couple of years or more on all these boards, I am probably in the minority, however, regarding lower division classification teams playing upper division ones (at all NCAA levels) as I like to see the upset (just not against Mich and my other teams ;D!).  Always like to see the "little guy" win!

Yes, it will be interesting to see just how far Mich drops in the polls.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 01, 2007, 10:16:37 PM
App State v Michigan

Allow me to add my couple bucks here since I have much to say and little outlet.

I actually contemplated skipping this game and heading to Holland.  Seems my resulting feelings would have been the same, except the sun burn might be on the other side of my face.   App State held no interest for me and truthfuly I watched the game for the most part with my elbows on my knees in shear boredom, wishing the sun wasn't so dang hot with no breeze.  And wishing what was going on in front of me would just go away.

If I hadn't seen the game with my own eyes I'd be more upset but quite frankly Michigan got manhandled today and really had no business having a chance to win.  App State dropped a sure TD pass, that resulted in a missed FG, dropped a 3rd down pass to an uncovered WR late in the 4th, the resulting punt led to Michigan's go ahead TD.  Threw 2 INTS right at a Michigan defender, and had a costly fumble on another drive that looked surely to end in points.  Then inexplicably ASU went for the game winning FG with 30 seconds on the clock on 1st down leaving Michigan time for a miracle which they nearly pulled off.   Had Michigan won it might have been remembered as the worst coaching gaff of all-time.

I don't know what the future holds for Carr, quite simply Michigan was badly unprepared for this game, or at least it seemed.   Thats two straight and unfortunately becoming a common theme in losses.   But the more disturbing thing was the lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball.  Its going to be a very long year in Ann Arbor.   I questioned UM's lofty pre-season rankings anyway, you simply can't lose 4 starters to the NFL and not expect a dropoff, and what a dropoff.  Its doubtfull UM has anyone at LB or the secondary who would start at Wisky, OSU or PSU.

Anyone who thought (including me) that UM had solved its defensive frailties of the past decade last season can now only question if maybe the last 3 games have exposed Michigan's first 11 wins of 2006 as poor quality.  App State had a better offense than any of those teams, and thats the truth.

There's a formula for beating UM now and App State fit it to a T.  Simply spread UM out and pick them apart.  Offensively Michigan makes enough mistakes and sputters enough that you can outscore them.

Certainly a very disappointing day, and the natives are definately wrestless, the walk back to the car was not pleasant.  Alot of things being said that really shouldn't be.  Many people are jumping on the tab as greatest upset ever etc, and frankly I don't see that.  UM is not a top 20 team on defense and I'm afraid they will lose a number of games untill or if they straighten out how to cover a spread offense.  Fortunately the Big 10 is not loaded with spread offenses, but enough for the losses to pile up.  At the end of the year if UM ends up 7-5 or 8-4 this will not be the biggest upset ever, and only will be if UM performs a miraculous transformation and finishes strong.  Maybe then.

With my own eyes I've seen far less talented teams beat Michigan, there's a perception barrier that people will have a hard time getting over and thats a shame to Appalachian State.  A very  fine well coached team that could give just about anybody fits.  Unfortunately the focus will be on UM losing and not ASU winning.

Carr's future is not my decision of course, as a fan I've loved the way his teams never quit, and always fight.    There have been some serious Michigan comebacks in his tenure and some big upsets (though none recently)  Despite the last few years its rare Michigan is truely outmanned on either side of the ball, or out of any contest.  But my true feelings have been that the program has dodged the losing season bullet many times, somehow they've dug themselve out of holes at times you didn't think they could.....and unfortunately they've needed many combacks to escape major losses.  They've avoided the mental collapse that every other major college program has suffored since the scholarship reduction days started.  However its getting harder and harder to support Carr and his in game philosphy.  Today was what happens when 1985 philosophy meets 2007 philosophy and thats the sad thing.  The big change in Michigan's offense this season is that they installed some shotgun offensive sets.  Read that again and remember that this is 2007.

Today was certainly disappointing but it wasn't the end of the world for Michigan football.  I mean really it would have a sham if App State had lost to be honest.  It will be interesting to see how Michgan reacts but if there ever was a scenario where the mental collapse finally happens, boy this is it.  Bottom line is if Michigan continues to play D like they did today, every single team on M's schedule can beat them and thats not a joke.  I also know that won't happen.



Well anyway thanks for indulging me.  Sorry to see Hope and Albion weren't more competitive.


As I write this a Red Sox pitched a no-hitter so at least UM isn't the top story anymore........at least in the Northeast.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 01, 2007, 10:51:20 PM
Sac:

Great insights from someone who was also there.  I would agree that it would have been terrible had App state lost the game as I agree Michigan really shouldnt have had that chance to win.  I especially liked and enjoyed a good laugh at the sentence "And wishing what was going on in front of me would just go away."  Im sure that was a feeling shared by many across this great state.

As you pointed out Michigan fell victim to the same formula that bites them every time which is spreading them out and having a mobile quarterback, as good a coordinator as English is it blows my mind why he and the coordinators before him have been unable to stop that.  That is a problem however that goes all the way back to U of M vs. Syracuse when Donovan Mcnabb ran all over U of M and embarassed them, but that was many moons ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2007, 11:33:16 PM
Since I don't have UM tickets, and Comcast won't show BTN games, I did NOT see the game (though I listened to it).  But I have seen the box score.  Michigan had more first downs, and had more yardage by far (leading in both running and passing) - where's the 'domination'?  If Mike Hart had had two healthy legs (188 yards and 3TDs is not too shabby for limping through less than half the game!) and played in place of Brandon (Butterfingers) Minor, UM would have won easily, and this story would not be dominating the airwaves.  And that horrible defense DID give up but 6 points in the second half.

Give Appalachian State some credit.  ADAWG, I respect your posts (usually!), but saying they were not even in the top 119 (by classification) is downright silly, and you know it.  Grand Valley would kick butt against a majority of d1aa teams, and many more than a handful of d1a teams.  Mount Union would take out a majority of d2 teams, many d1aa teams, and (I suspect) at least a handful of d1a teams.  While I doubt ASU has the depth to compete at a high d1a level week-in-and-week-out (or MAYBE they do!), their starters are clearly top 50, perhaps even bottom of top 25 quality.  This WAS an upset, and UM should have won even with a one-legged Hart, but it was 'the greatest upset of all time' only to those who have no respect for 'lower' divisions and don't realize how much overlap there is between uppers in one (and ASU is THE upper in d1aa) and the lowers of another.

I will STILL be disappointed (and very surprised) if Michigan doesn't win at least 10 games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 01, 2007, 11:46:14 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 01, 2007, 10:51:20 PM
"And wishing what was going on in front of me would just go away."  Im sure that was a feeling shared by many across this great state.


Fortunately Delaney's ego prevented many from seeing it. ::)

Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 01, 2007, 10:51:20 PM
As you pointed out Michigan fell victim to the same formula that bites them every time which is spreading them out and having a mobile quarterback, as good a coordinator as English is it blows my mind why he and the coordinators before him have been unable to stop that.  That is a problem however that goes all the way back to U of M vs. Syracuse when Donovan Mcnabb ran all over U of M and embarassed them, but that was many moons ago.

Goes back even further....Ricky Foggy ring a bell.   Basically to beat a spread you have to either contain it or outscore it.  Michigan refuses to run an offensive philosophy that can outscore anyone.  So when they can't contain it, they lose.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2007, 11:33:16 PM
  Michigan had more first downs, and had more yardage by far (leading in both running and passing) - where's the 'domination'? 

The stats lie Chuck, App State dominated the first half and once they got the lead made the inexplicable decision to quit throwing the football.  App State sticks with its offense this one wouldn't have been close.

I apologize for poluting the board with this garbage. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2007, 12:33:50 AM
sac and Mr. Ypsi:

Thanks for your insights regarding Mich.  Although I obviously didn't see the game and will have to read the accounts in this AM's newspapers, you didn't mention how Michigan's secondary played.  In addition to some of the problematic areas you noted they have had the past couple of years or more, IMO, the secondary has been one of those.  They can't cover a tight end (or the short pass) and that has cost them games many times, particularly in the bowl games and championship games.

Also, sac, I agree with your statement about "wishing what was going on in front me would just go away" :(  As DAWG mentioned, there plenty of others who shared your sentiment - including me and all the others in the home stands at HMS today.  It was almost like a nightmare and like your experience, the game seemed to just drag on the more we thought about it.  On days like that, when nothing is going right, even though you don't (or at least are not supposed to) give up and give the effort until the end, an additional and perhaps appropriate feeling is hoping that the game will "just get over with" ;D  As much as I hate to admit that, many of us felt that way today :-[ ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 02, 2007, 12:39:17 AM
former,

The ASU coach was quoted postgame as saying they had seen on film that UM didn't cover the middle of the field, and that they successfully exploited that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2007, 05:22:31 AM
its been said on here that Michigan should not have scheduled this game....I want to bring a point of view about scheduling...

Most D1 teams schedule their games YEARS in advance.  It would be interesting to see when this contract was made for the game...  Its a crapshoot to see what teams will be like when you put them on the schedule..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 02, 2007, 07:08:57 AM
Rumor has it that U/M is seeking to put The Little Sisters of the Poor on its schedule next year as an opener, but LSP as the favorite wants more money than U/M is prepared to provide.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2007, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 02, 2007, 05:22:31 AM
its been said on here that Michigan should not have scheduled this game....I want to bring a point of view about scheduling...

Most D1 teams schedule their games YEARS in advance.  It would be interesting to see when this contract was made for the game...  Its a crapshoot to see what teams will be like when you put them on the schedule..

SaintsFAN:

Schedules usually are made several years in advance at most schools.  However, I thought I saw in the newspapers last week that the Appalachian State game was added last year in regards to scheduling the 12th game now allowed.  Although I am a Michigan fan, perhaps someone who follows them a little closer than I have of recent such as sac and Mr. Ypsi and/or others can commet in more detail about this.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 02, 2007, 10:04:29 AM
I remember when they scheduled the game, Bill Martin was quoted saying something to the effect of "we're not thrilled playing a DIaa, but if we're going to play one, we may as well play a two time defending national champion."

I didn't see a play of the game, and couldn't listen to it on the radio, but got relatively regular updates via the internet.  I was afraid of the game beforehand, and even when they took the lead late knew they would lose.  It's over now, we'll find out what this team is about in the next three weeks.

On the plus side, Adrian won.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 02, 2007, 10:06:38 AM
wlcalum and myself giving Warrior Coach Miller the Gatorade soak after yesterday's win--

"One, two, three, --heave-- splash!"  :) ;) :D

(WLC's men's basketball team upset ranked Aurora at home last season--maybe some of that carried over--Ah-ha-that's it.)

Heard Bodnar had a great day throwing. Well, one of my 2007 new year's wishes on this board has been met. If Tri-State wins 2 more games that'll make 2 out of 3.

Wouldn't you know on a day I'm away from a computer--.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchHawk on September 02, 2007, 01:10:39 PM
Hey Hope fans...tough loss to River Falls but they are a pretty good football team. Big it looks like. Whats the outlook on next weeks game?? The Dutch D came to play yesterday and didnt hardly give the offense any field time. Is your RB still going to be out. Come on over to the IIAC board for some chat as well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 02, 2007, 01:22:33 PM
App State was scheduled between Jan. and March of last spring.  Michigan says they couldn't find a D1 opponent with an open date for Sept 1, and couldn't work out a switch in the schedule.

Many years ago I saw a schedule that had CAL and NC coming to Michigan, both have dropped those games, I'm almost positive one of them was for this year.  When the NCAA went to a 12th game Michigan had an open date for both 06 and 07.  Vanderbilt and App State were both scheduled within 6-8 months of the game.

I believe they have an open date available for next year as well, although they just added Utah so maybe that took care of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 02, 2007, 02:15:52 PM
 My thoughts on the Butler VS Albion game. 45-14 Butler.

The score was pretty indicative of the game.

Butler dominated taking the opening drive of the game in for a pretty easy score. The Albion offense seemed a little troubled early, tried to establish the run. Butlers size advantage paid dividends on the Dline.
Butler had a good mix of pass and run to build a 28 -0 halftime lead. Albion had few 1st downs in the 1st half.
Albion seemed to settled down right before the half, and make some changes offensively to move the ball. Diversity in play calling and passing more with better protection for QB. I believe Butler recorded 3 if not 4 sacks. 1 ending a deep Albion drive into Butler red zone.
3rd quarter brought an unfortunate turnover on a tipped pass and Butler was knocking again on the Albion goal line. Albion's defense tightened up in the 2nd half with more rotation of players and challenging Butler a little more. Butler seemed to be able to "get the corner" on Butler, hooking the DE and sealing off the LB for good gains to the outside, or cut backs.

Albion struck back with a nice long pass to WR, #7 whom had a very good day. great hands, nice routes and good speed and size. I believe he had both TD's for Albion in the 45-14 loss.
Butlers last TD was a late 4th quarter desperation pass that was returned for a TD.

Offenssively Albion got the run moving with the counter, RB is quick to the hole and runs hard. 3 INT's put an end to any idea of a comeback. Though 1 was tipped, 1 late in the game Hail Mary.

Albion did not seem to pick up any of the breaks that were out there.
DT on Albion hit RB and Ball popped out  bounced 10 years down the field,  Butler WR beat 2-3 Albion DB's, Safeties to the ball. That play was critical as it was right after a Albion TD, momentum swing coming up.
Butler proceeded to take that drive in for the 35 th point sealing any idea of a comeback. Butler put the ball on the carpet 2-3 times and Albion did not come up with it.

Over all thoughts, Butler is big and I think a very solid team Albion mistakes or not Butler was the better team and dominated. By the way nice field and stadium for Butler, once they put some stands back in. The whole idea of removing seating so they will not be D1 and keep attendance low is annoying. Cut lose some funds for Football and make the school proud. Look at Butler Basketball it is a legend in the area, and nationally known.

Albion Defense needs to tighten up, too may crossing patterns in the middle of the field completed. Dline needs to work with LB's to stop the wide runs, and cut backs. I thought the Dline played better with the rotation, that was employed in the middle and later in the game. DE have to stay at home over pursued numerous plays or OLB did not cover, I did not have the knowledge of the assignments, just the view of a old LB eyes.

Home game VS. Thiel next week, I think it will be a new game and we will see the adjustments. I see athletic talent, have to see if it was a bad day and Butler being to big and at home. Or if Albion is in real trouble on defense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2007, 09:33:28 PM
D306:

Thanks for the recap of the Albion/Butler game.  Also, agree with you about Butler's stadium, the Butler Bowl ;)


Also, to all of you colleagues:

If you missed this one last year (I did), here is something I think will put everything in perspective for you.  It did for me, another reminder for the next time I start whining or complaining about something regarding my day in life.  Go to:  http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qTiYA1WiY8

This is as good as that story on the autistic h.s. basketball player last earlier this year.  Hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 02, 2007, 09:53:27 PM
I forgot to do this yesterday, but I must say congrats to Adrian on the win.  I must admit I was unsure of what to expect from this years team, but their defense turned in amazing showing and their offense definetly answered some questions and highlighted some great team speed and big play ability.  I would say to look out for the QB combo of Troy Niblock and Mike McGee it appears that Adrian may have a Chris Leak/ Tim Tebow combonation on their hands which is never a bad thing.  Glad to see Adrian start off with a win and hopefully they continue to get healthier and more refined with their bye week and can carry the momentum from the win over the their game against Bluffton.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 02, 2007, 11:47:26 PM
Does he have Tebow's jump shot though.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 03, 2007, 01:09:43 AM
sac:

Time will tell, that would be an intersting goal line play to see, but I dont think its a regular for anyone.  Based on his stat line though I think hes got the athletic ability, 14 carries for 100 yds is a pretty good day for any QB or RB.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 03, 2007, 10:26:43 AM
Just got back from a wedding filled weeked in Fort Wayne!....

I did make the Defiance-AC game....I kinda stuck out...looked liked an agent....the only dude in the whole place with a shirt and tie...haaa.

Anyways....I caught the first half and saw the two QB system everyone is talking about.  They do present the combo of Florida...Niblock is white and McGee is African-American.  Niblock can run and McGee can throw the rock.  Not a pretty throwing motion, but a quick release.  Niblock did display the play of the year to this point when Adrian was going for two after a TD and Defiance had him sacked.  He's right-handed...so as he is wrapped up and going down, he transfers the ball to his left hand and option pitches' it to a WR for a perfect two pointer.  I'd love to see film on that, because that was an unreal play.

Overall being a MIAA fan, I'd put this Adrian team right in the mix.  Their "D" looked fast, but small, they fly to the ball.  The "O" lived off of big plays, so hard to tell how good they are.  35 points on 270 some yards of total offense is somewhat mind boggling.  They capitalized on their scoring chances, but the D provided them with four turnovers.  Mind you all this just in the first half, then I had to go.

Defiance appeared to me to rank in the bottom half of the MIAA.  I wasn't impressed with their QB, who just threw the ball up for grabs.  The QB draw was the only play they had success on against Adrian.  I did like #7 from Defiance...that dude could play, but Defiance didn't want to get him the ball I guess. 

Alright...just my opinion....next week I think I'll head to Albion to watch the Brits.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 03, 2007, 11:56:31 AM
HOF

I too will be at Albion game.
I will be interested to see how Albion plays.
I think Butler is very solid this year, and really jumped on Albion right out of the gate.

The defensive adjustments were key for Albion, 2nd half was certainly better than first. 28 - 0 at halftime is tough to overcome.

Offense put up almost 400 yards so I think moving the ball will be OK for Albion.

I will try to post my review of the game independant of any others comments just to get a fresh look.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on September 03, 2007, 02:50:32 PM
Congrats to Adrian, Tri-State and WLC!  Minor setbacks for the other MIAA teams that played but their competition was very tough. 

ADAWG:

You are right AC has a mini version of Leak/Tebow!  Did you make it to the game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 03, 2007, 03:19:20 PM
Correction

42-14 Butler.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gridironmom on September 03, 2007, 04:16:13 PM
Just a bit different angle for you on this weekend's Michigan game....

We are from Wisconsin, my son is a Freshman OLman at Hope and so we took the opportunity this weekend to go see the only Badger Game we'll have a chance to go to this year (my hubby used to play there and we have season tickets but will be heading to Holland more than Madison in the next few years). And honestly - we feared after watching two practices and a scrimmage at Hope that UWRF might give them some trouble since we are familiar with the UWRF program.

Anyway.... when they put the 4th quarter (but not final) Michigan score up on the Jumbotron, the crowd sent up a friendly competitive roar but everyone around us was saying - "That can't last" as we all know there's some delay in getting the scores and hey - it's Michigan!  But when they put up the Final score......there were a couple of seconds of stunned silence and then there was a crowd noise that could be heard that really was not the usual. It was really more the sound of everyone turning to their seat partner saying "Can you believe that?" and "What the heck happened there - can't wait to see the highlights of THAT game." Later as we watched the highlights, we all commented on the fact that Coach Carr who, after all his years in coaching, should never have had to say "We just weren't prepared". I think the rest of the staff should be worried too if that's the case because we all know that a head coach looks good when his coaching staff are all doing their jobs.... and vice versa.

Let's cross our fingers that Hope fares better next week - I'll get to see the game in person next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on September 03, 2007, 05:33:58 PM
Best of luck to Hope this year.....I have a daughter heading there next year...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 03, 2007, 11:36:27 PM
ACRULZ:

Didnt make it to the game, plan on making a couple a bit later in the season first one likely being the home opener.  Unfortunately for me, I work most all of the weekends so I had to put in for some time off.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2007, 01:54:46 PM
Looking forward to coming to the game this weekend.  One question for the Hope posters.  Looking at the results of the game did your all american Rugenstien not play.  I didn't see his name down for any tackles.  If memory serves from last year he was a force and with his preseason pick as AA I thought he would have a huge amount.  Just curious. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 04, 2007, 03:32:13 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2007, 01:54:46 PM
Looking forward to coming to the game this weekend.  One question for the Hope posters.  Looking at the results of the game did your all american Rugenstien not play.  I didn't see his name down for any tackles.  If memory serves from last year he was a force and with his preseason pick as AA I thought he would have a huge amount.  Just curious. 

You are correct that he did not play - he was suited up, but did not play a single down.  From what I heard, he tweaked his hamstring, and should be on the field this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 04, 2007, 03:50:51 PM
Quite the tumble for U of M in the polls.  Dropped from 5 in both to 33 in the AP poll and 27 in the Coaches Poll.  One coach still had them as number 10 in the country, does Lloyd Carr get a vote?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?pollId=null&weekNumber=3&seasonYear=2007
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 04, 2007, 04:43:21 PM
I think Carr had a vote last year, not sure about this year.  I think that's probably a little bit excessive on the part of the voters, but that being said, if UM can win some upcoming games, I think it will be easier for them to jump in the polls than for some of the teams around them. 

I hate the polls.  It's just a shame to me that college football ultimately becomes a popularity contest.  Michigan benefits from this plenty, but the whole notion of style points is unappealing to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2007, 06:39:37 PM
Flying Dutch Fan and Dutch Fan:

That is correct.  Rugenstien has been recovring from a hamstring injury and was only about 80% on Saturday.  So while he dressed and probably could have gone, he decided not to take a chance.  Thus he, the coaches and training staff made the decision to have him not play and give it an additional week for further recovery.  He should be ready for this Saturday's game; at least that was the "game plan" from this past weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2007, 07:43:00 PM
Well that is good.  I am happy that he is not hurt badly.  Are you sure he shouldn't rest another week?  ;D  That might keep some our people heathy too! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 05, 2007, 01:34:21 PM
For any Albion/MIAA fans, this CCIW guy will be making the trip to see the Wheaton/Albion game this weekend.  It should be a good game.  In reading the posts regarding the Butler game I'm not really sure how this game will pan out.  Last year Albion beat Butler, this year it seems like Butler had really improved.  Here's hoping for a fun, safe contest! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 05, 2007, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2007, 07:43:00 PM
Well that is good.  I am happy that he is not hurt badly.  Are you sure he shouldn't rest another week?  ;D  That might keep some our people heathy too! ;D

DutchFan:

We will certainly need him against your team.  I expect your Central to be a very tough opponent - again this year against us.  If you are making the long trip to the game, I hope you have a safe trip.  The night game this year will be a special event for our campus and school.  Best wishes to your team, although I HOPE we win ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 06, 2007, 08:16:22 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 05, 2007, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2007, 07:43:00 PM
Well that is good.  I am happy that he is not hurt badly.  Are you sure he shouldn't rest another week?  ;D  That might keep some our people heathy too! ;D

DutchFan:

We will certainly need him against your team.  I expect your Central to be a very tough opponent - again this year against us.  If you are making the long trip to the game, I hope you have a safe trip.  The night game this year will be a special event for our campus and school.  Best wishes to your team, although I HOPE we win ;D


I would expect you to HOPE that you would win.  Yes Mrs Dutchfan, I, Son, Daugher in Law, Inlaws, and two grandsons will be there.  What is the weather outlook for Saturday.  Rain? Cool? Hot? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 06, 2007, 10:42:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 05, 2007, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2007, 07:43:00 PM
Well that is good.  I am happy that he is not hurt badly.  Are you sure he shouldn't rest another week?  ;D  That might keep some our people heathy too! ;D

DutchFan:

We will certainly need him against your team.  I expect your Central to be a very tough opponent - again this year against us.  If you are making the long trip to the game, I hope you have a safe trip.  The night game this year will be a special event for our campus and school.  Best wishes to your team, although I HOPE we win ;D

This should be a very difficult game for Hope.  Central handily defeated St. Thomas, a respectable MIAC team.  The long trip certainly should make things a little more difficult. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 06, 2007, 05:13:57 PM
Let's get the picks going for this week.

Sept. 8

Wheaton (IL) at Albion:  Wheaton
Alma at Cornell (IA):  Alma
Central (IA) at Hope:  Central
IL Wesleyan at Olivet:  Olivet
WLC at Dubuque:  Dubuque
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 06, 2007, 06:08:16 PM
Wheaton @ Albion: Wheaton
Alma @ Cornell(IA): Alma
Central(IA) @ Hope: Central
IL Wesleyan @ Olivet: Olivet
WLC @ Dubuque: WLC (why not?)
Adrian @ Bye: Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2007, 07:16:16 PM
Preliminary reports for weather on Saturday are slight/partly cloudy but with sunshine and mid-'70's (not as hot as last Saturday or the last two days here).  Rain later tonight but supposedly to clear by tomorrow and Saturday (...supposedly ;), but for sure, I hope it doesn't rain on Sat evening).

Anyway, my picks for this week:

Wheaton @ Albion:  Wheaton
Alma @ Cornell (IA): Cornell
Central (IA) @ Hope:  Hope (can't go against my/our team ;D;)
IL Wesleyan @ Olivet:  Olivet
WLC @ Dubuque:  Dubuque
Adrian: Idle


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2007, 07:18:32 PM
Oops!  Tri-State is also Idle this weekend. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2007, 09:21:22 PM
FWIW, over on the CCIW pick-ems, Olivet is so far leading 10-4 (though we use a 'confidence factor' [with 7 CCIW teams in action this week, 'certainty' of selection is ranked from 1 to 7, with 7 the most confident] - only ONE picker rated the game higher than 3, and he picked IWU [I'm picking my Titans, but only at 3]).

Wheaton is picked unanimously, and usually at 6 or 7.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 07, 2007, 11:41:13 AM
Weekend Picks:

Wheaton/Albion:  Wheaton
Alma/Cornell:  Cornell
Central/Hope:  Central
Ill Wesleyan/Olivet:  Olivet
WLC/Dubuque:  Dubuque
Michigan/Oregon:  Michigan (dare to dream)
LSU/Virginia Tech:  LSU

Enjoy the games, everyone!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 07, 2007, 09:29:54 PM
Wheaton / Albion    Wheaton How does the defense adjust?
Alma  / Cornell         Cornell  How is the defense? I do not know New QB?
Central / Hope         Central Hope draws another tough assignment.
Ill. Wesleyan / Olivet Olivet  Olivet carries the torch for the MIAA this week
WLC / Dubuque        Dubuque  WLC is improving but not there yet.

UofM / Oregon          U of M
MSU / Ball St             MSU
ND / PSU                   PSU

Tough week for the MIAA

Michigan gets back on track, boy do they need to find some DB's quick, and how about learning to block on FG a senior letting his guy by him twice on the inside to block FG's. Proves the point that on any day, you need to come to play. While I always root for the D1AA teams and the D2 teams when they play a big name school. I never thought it would be Michigan to get upset. Good for App ST. creates a buzz.  :-[

MSU no let ups after seeing the Michigan nightmare, I think they are still cheeering in East Lansing about that.
I know they were at Butler while at the Albion Game.

ND going to find out that Brady Quinn really carried the load for them, the last couple years. Proves the point that players make the difference good coach or not.

OK so after I get half of these wrong, don't bury me. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 08, 2007, 03:52:21 AM
Spent the last month catching up on 116 pages of MIAA posts and almost feel like I know some of you now.  What a great board you have!  It is the most respectful and knowlegeable I have ever read - what a class act.  Well, I couldn't hold back any more so I decided to jump in to say hello and thanks.

Attended the Tri-State v. Manchester game.  The speed and hitting, the rich collegiate atmosphere, and the midwest landscape offered a genuine slice of  Americana.  In our often cynical and commercial times it was truely a field of dreams to me.  Free ice cream and a Thunder victory made it even sweeter.  Manchester was a great host.     

I can appreciate your loyalty to D3 football, and the incredibly rich tradition of the MIAA.  Good luck to all your teams this weekend. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 08, 2007, 08:20:36 AM
Deaconblue,

Welcome to the board.  It's always good to have more people on who appreciate the respectful tone on this board.  I totally agree with you.

Good luck to all MIAA teams today!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 08, 2007, 04:28:58 PM
56 - 3 end of 3rd. WLC is getting ....... :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on September 08, 2007, 05:13:45 PM
It would be nice to see a nice series of rivalries develop between the MIAA and the CCIW.  Alas, the CCIW continues its dominance over the Michigan League once again. 

It also seems as if we are seeing more and more Michigan kids pop up on CCIW rosters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 08, 2007, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: lakeshore on September 08, 2007, 05:13:45 PM
It would be nice to see a nice series of rivalries develop between the MIAA and the CCIW.  Alas, the CCIW continues its dominance over the Michigan League once again. 


Hope is adding Carthage to the football schedule next year and 09, to go along with the now long running Wheaton series. 

Its an easy match between the conferences really.


Anyone with an update from Holland, internet hookup won't work for me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 08, 2007, 11:04:01 PM
I have to take my hat off to Albion today.  They played tough all day.  Austin Rogers was around the ball all day.  Josh Silvernail made big catches.  Blake Evans gave the defense fits when he turned more into a runner. 

The complex was very nice and Albion was very gracious hosts.  It was a good game and a very hard fought win for the Thunder.  The Britons should hold their heads extremely high.  Based off what I saw, the MIAA should watch out for Albion. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 08, 2007, 11:23:04 PM
Mat blake

Thanks for the kind words.
Wheaton is very fast, and well coached.
Albion could get nothing going on Offense.
The Albion defense played pretty well, considering the field position Wheaton had all day.

I feel Wheaton will have another very strong season.
Hard to believe that was Wheatons first game of the year, very few mistakes.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 09, 2007, 12:30:06 AM
Quote from: D306 on September 08, 2007, 11:23:04 PM
Thanks for the kind words.
Wheaton is very fast, and well coached.
Albion could get nothing going on Offense.
The Albion defense played pretty well, considering the field position Wheaton had all day.

I feel Wheaton will have another very strong season.
Hard to believe that was Wheatons first game of the year, very few mistakes.

Thanks D306.  Today was a good start for us, but we'll need to fix some things to compete in the CCIW. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 09, 2007, 09:23:45 AM
Doing my daily check of scores around DIII on my Sunday....

Somethings that make you go hmmmmm?

Defiance's WR Dillion....who last week when I watched him for one half during the wedding looked like he could catch anything and be a special player, but Defiance didn't want to throw him the ball.....well Coach Taylor must read this board....this week Dillion had 17 catches for 258 yards.  Makes you wonder who is the defensive coordinator allowing this to happen....then you look further.....none other than Randy Moore...Hope College's worst defensive year came under him....if I remember right......Hope had all these starters back from an unreal D and Moore messed them up.

Defiance won 16-14 over Otterbein...game started at 10:45....ouch!

MIAA took it on the chin this week!

I made it over to Albion yesterday.....Wheaton is good....they always seem to be loaded! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 09, 2007, 05:51:46 PM
Just got back to Iowa from Holland.  Thanks for the great time in your state.  It was the first time for me.  Holland was a wonderful town.  You were great hosts.  Thanks for the great fireworks after the game.  The grandkids loved it.  I hope that your season turns out the same way for you as it did last year after we played and you can keep your hold on that trophy for the all sports champions of the MIAA. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2007, 07:15:38 PM
DutchFan:

Glad you made it home safe and also that you had a good time at our Annual  Community Day game.  Third largest crown in Hope history at that stadium (just under 6,000 about 5820 was the official tally, although there may have been more if you count the other support fans/staff, etc.).  The game under the lights was a neat experience and seeing all those people in the stands and sitting on the hill and endzones was as well.  Yes, the fireworks were quite a sight, too.  They went "all out" for that - and we thank the the city, companies/individuals, school, etc., who donated $ for that.  I didn't eat at the community cook out, but heard it was excellent also.

It was a good game despite the loss for us; I thought Hope might pull it off.  However, I/we were impressed with your Central team; good speed on both sides of the ball, lineman not quite as big as I thought (at least compared to UWis-River Falls last week), but hard-hitters including the backs.  Good luck to your team the rest of the way.  It looks like we are having a repeat (at least so far) of last year's start, but there was a lot of positives and improvement last night from the first game.  BTW, I hope your injured player's groin/hip area injury turns out not to be a more extensive one (can't recall his name, but he is a 5th yr. senior with a brother on the team).  Our starting QB injured his shoulder so we'll have to see what goes with that this week, although if it is not serious, then he'll have two weeks to recover before the Wheaton game.  His backup did fairly well for not having much game experience   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 09, 2007, 08:37:16 PM
I've heard rumors that Hope has a fantastic training staff, so I'm sure he'll be back on the field as soon as he can be.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchHawk on September 09, 2007, 09:40:40 PM
Sounds like I missed a good game! Good luck to Hope the rest of the year in your quest to repeat...hopefully its a good year to be Dutch! Also hope that your injured players return soon! You guys seem like a class act and best of luck to ya!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2007, 10:57:28 PM
Batten down the hatches!

The Wolverines are 0-2.
The Lions are 1-0.

Can the Apocalypse be far off? :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on September 10, 2007, 04:46:26 AM
I remember when the Lions were world champions (1952, 1953 and 1957 - don't remember the 1935 championship season) and when the Wolverines were 2-7 on the season (1962). Saw live the 1952 and 1957 championship games and all of the 1962 Michigan home games except for the Ohio State one. Upon reflection there is a reason that I did not see live Michigan's 1962 home game against Ohio State - it was an away game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on September 10, 2007, 06:49:39 AM
Wolvies 0-2
Irish 0-2
Spartans 2-0
Lions 1-0
Hornets still undefeated.

It's been a pretty nice couple of weeks for this poster.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 10, 2007, 12:51:23 PM
I haven't heard the injury update for him as of yet.  He is a tuff kid and if he can return he will.  I was shocked to hear that your QB got hurt.  I didn't see him get hit.  I thought maybe your coaching staff had wanted to see what your backup could do after that second INT.  I will be rooting for him to recover.  He played well until he got hurt.  Your back up didn't do poorly.  He has a good arm and if he hasn't had much game time then I would say he did better than expected. 

The real surprise was that your D line appeared to be out of shape.  The 3rd quarter they had their hands on their hips and walking slowly back to the huddle after every play.  In the 4th quarter your whole defense appeared to be gassed and thats when we started to get the rushing stats.  Before then you seemed to have the running game in check but couldn't stop the pass.  Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2007, 09:04:20 PM
DutchHawk:
Thanks and best of luck to you guys as well.

DutchFan2004:

I think you analysis is right on.  Unfortunately, our secondary has been the "Achilles heel" so far, and it did appear that the defensive line was "sucking air" in the 4th quarter.  Anyway, thanks for the well-wishes for our QB as well as our team the rest of the way; and again, hopefully your player will be able to return.  Reciprically, I wish you guys the best of luck the rest of the way too.  Who knows?...a rematch of Hope/Central in the playoffs?? Probably not, but it has happened before (Alma/Witt, Hope/Wheaton).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2007, 09:13:57 PM
Stinger:

Glad to see you on the board.  We'll look forward to your contributions once your Kazoo Hornets get into action this weekend.  BTW, perhaps this has been discussed before and, if so, my apologies for bringing it up again.  However, why is it that Kazoo has chosen to only schedule 9 games istead of 10?  They seem to be like U of Chicago at times in this aspect.  I realize Kazoo is on a different academic schedule and that one possible reason is no students would be around to attend a home game at the start of Sept (at least the students at Kazoo who would actually show up for a game ;)), however, in one respect that wouldn't matter as Brooks could schedule an away game for the first game of the season.  Perhaps they are attempting to save $ by delaying bringing in the players a week later, but if so, I think that is somewhat "different".  Then again, I guess that we shouldn't complain because at least Kazoo has a fb team and that is the important factor.

BTW, are they going ever going back to having those black and orange horizontally striped sleeves on their jerseys?  I always thought those were neat - kind of "throwback to tradition" :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2007, 09:14:50 PM
bulldogalum:

Now where did you hear that? ??? ::) ;D  Anyway, hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 12, 2007, 12:17:14 AM
Doesn't this recent autumn weather flood one with memories of football all the way back to the old backyard.  Must be in the blood. 

Anticipating Tri-State's home opener against Defiance on Saturday.  I can use some background information if any of you have the time.  To those that witnessed the Bulldog victory, how would you assess DC?  I know the pass to WR Dillon lit it up against Otterbein last week, yet I'm suprised the yardage did not yield more points.  Adrian seemed to have figured the game out, any black and gold secrets of success out there?

Secondly,  how has the MIAA and the Heartland matched-up historically?  We just played Manchester, Defiance is on Saturday, and Franklin is next week.  The Heartland pre-season poll ranks them in that ascending order.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2007, 01:42:04 PM
DEACONBLUE:

The key to Adrian being able to shut down Luke Dillon was the fact they were able to put alot of pressure on Vetter.  Im not alone in saying this and I think many DC fans on the HCAC board would agree, Vetter would make a better RB than a QB.  He is very athletic and able to create some plays with his feet, but is lacking in the overall QB skills department.  The pressure was key to creating no throws or poor throws to all the receivers not just Dillon, but I think Adrian is also well suited with the CB's and safeties they have.  Even with this pressure defense DC was still able to rack up some pretty good yards and also control the game in time of possesion. 

DC's defense seemed to do a pretty good job shutting down the run, except for a QB sweep that Adrian ran quite a bit and had great success with, Niblock one of their two QB's ran for 100yds on 14 carries.  However RB's had a tough go netting 5 yards on 10 carries.  The OL for Adrian is not its strong point at this time so depending on how TSU looks up front things could be different.  Adrian did feature a pretty good passing game against Defiance and has some solid receivers who can make teams pay, DC was susceptible to the big play giving up TD's of 55, 40 and 36yds during the game.

I do know that DC lost many of its stud defensive players last year, I believe pretty much their whole front seven but they still go with the 3-4 aggresive stunting and blitzing defense so Tri State will have to be ready for that.

Best of luck to the Thunder this weekend and hopefully your program continues on the up and up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 12, 2007, 08:54:36 PM
ADAWG,

Thanks for the great detailed analysis on both sides of the ball, it is very useful.  Like you implied- each contest creates its own chemisty, yet it helps remove some of the mystery before game time.  Now it will be fun mentally comparing strenghts and weaknesses of both teams and see if they play out as imagined.  Thanks again for your time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on September 12, 2007, 09:29:44 PM
ADAWG:

I was at the Defiance/Adrian game.  Defiance gained most of their rushing yards (85 yds) via the QB scrambling for his life from the Adrian LB's and lineman.  Most of the second half Adrian's second defense was in as well.  So those stats can be somewhat misleading.  Also, ADAWG, I hear through the grapevine that there is a bit of a rift between you and AC?!?!?!  But anyway, here are my picks for this week:

Adrian over Bluffton (BIGGGGG time blowout here!)

Thiel over Albion (some may be surprised)

Eau-Claire over Alma (Wisconsin schools are tough!)

Valpo over K-Zoo (The Hornets get their "first" loss)

Wittenberg over Olivet

Tri-State over Defiance (Go get'em Thunder!)

WLC over Concordia


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
I have to go with ACRULZ in regards to this week's picks:

Adrian over Bluffton
Thiel over Albion
Wis-Eau Claire over Alma
Valpo over Kazoo (DIAA team much improved)
Witt over Olivet
Tri-State over Defiance
WLC over Concordia
Hope has a "bye" weekend








Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2007, 10:12:56 PM
ACRULZ:

If you would like to discuss my status with the college, I would prefer to do so in private not on the public forum.

As for the defensive stats I spoke with the D coordinator at Adrian and he conveyed that info to me as well, he said that even though they gave up over 100 rushing yards he really didnt mind because of the number of carries it took for them to get there.  I have nothing but confidence in the defense at Adrian and know that it will be extermely well coached and well prepared every week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2007, 10:18:32 PM
Picks for the week:

Adrian over Bluffton (I agree with ACRULZ this could be very ugly)
Albion over Thiel (Thiel had one strong year and was 5-5 last season)
UW-Eau Claire over Alma
Valpo over Kzoo
Tri State over Defiance (Vetters still the QB right?)
Concordia over WLC
Wittenberg over Olivet (forgot this one the first time)
Hope over Bye
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2007, 10:21:59 PM
ACRULZ:

Check your messages.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 13, 2007, 10:21:04 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2007, 10:18:32 PM
Picks for the week:
Hope over Bye
+k for you ADAWG.  That's one good way to make sure you get one in the win column!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 13, 2007, 10:55:11 AM
matblake:

Thanks for the karma, I jsut really think that Bye doesnt have what it takes to be any MIAA school, let alone Hope. 

Love your signature quote as well, UHF, great flick.  Find the marble in the oatmeal and you get a drink from the fire hose!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 13, 2007, 11:47:09 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 13, 2007, 10:55:11 AM
Thanks for the karma, I jsut really think that Bye doesnt have what it takes to be any MIAA school, let alone Hope. 

Maybe not, but I hear their math department is pretty good.   ;)

Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 13, 2007, 10:55:11 AMLove your signature quote as well, UHF, great flick.  Find the marble in the oatmeal and you get a drink from the fire hose!

If you can find the dvd version, definitely get it.  Al does the commentary and it is really interesing.  He even remembers street addresses of buildings and such in Witchita, KS where the movie was filmed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on September 13, 2007, 11:48:57 AM
Adrian at Bluffton - no bluff here, Adrian big
Thiel at Albion - Sorry Albion, cold showers for you.
Alma at UWEC - Going with the WI team.
Valpo at Kazoo - have played Valpo before and they get the V.
Witt at Olivet - Witt with the win.
Defiance at TSU - Thunder claps again.
WLC at Concordia - going with the WI team again  ;)... WLC rides back across town with the loss. Sorry boys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 13, 2007, 12:10:53 PM
Booko back this week?  If so, they'll really handle the BYE.

Adrian at Bluffton....Adrian big, but does their cupcake schedule ever have any tough preseason games.  I guess I'd like to see them upgrade their schedule so we can see if they're the real deal.  It seems like every year they start out really good and then finish 4-3 in the MIAA.  I'm not sold on them yet.  I do like the offense they run and think they can score some points after watching them for a half against Defiance.

Thiel at Albion...Coach Rundle will pull one off here.  Albion after the chips fall will always be there.

Alma at UWEC...On the road, in Wisc....sorry Scots...no Josh Brehm....though McKenzie McGrady is making some believers.

Valpo at Kzoo...Valpo...Homer Drew playing....count on the DI-AA non schollys...

Witt at Olivet....thinking about attending this one....Witt will win....where was the Clasegns kid from last year...what about Lonnie Jones....that is the problem with the Vet....players never stick around.....

Defiance at TSU....Defiance...I like their style....eventhough Adrian hung 35 on them....I think there D was very good....they held a decent Otterbein team to 14 points.....count of DC winning 6 to 7 games....

WLC at Concordia....Concordia....new coaching staff up there doesn't slow them down....

I heard UM fired Carr today....they hired some Chinese guy named Win Sum Soon....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 13, 2007, 12:24:34 PM
HOF:

Oddly enough back in my first two years with the program when we finished a combined 4-16 over two seasons we played some very good competition.  Both of those years our non league schedule included Baldwin Wallace, Carthage, Thomas More and Defiance.  It seemed odd at the time as we played many freshman and had little experience in those games but schedules are made in advanc, it did pay off the next two seasons.  Carthage stayed on the schedule through my Junior season and we finally beat them, that was the turning point in recent history for the program (02-03 season that is).  Since then we have played the likes of Franklin, Heidlberg, Bluffton, Westminster.  I think we caught Franklin at the right time as when we played them they were in the similar building phase of the program, at least thats how it appears based on their performance recently.  I know that Huntingdon(AL) has been added to the schedule for this season and from all I have been able to find out about them they should be a tough team.  Unfortunately they wont be on the schedule for next year as they have joined a conference.  However I do believe that Capital(OAC) has been added to the Adrian schedule for next season.  Defiance is the one constant and I would be surprised to see them off the schedule at any point in the near future.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on September 13, 2007, 01:14:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 10, 2007, 09:13:57 PM
Stinger:

Glad to see you on the board.  We'll look forward to your contributions once your Kazoo Hornets get into action this weekend.  BTW, perhaps this has been discussed before and, if so, my apologies for bringing it up again.  However, why is it that Kazoo has chosen to only schedule 9 games istead of 10?  They seem to be like U of Chicago at times in this aspect.  I realize Kazoo is on a different academic schedule and that one possible reason is no students would be around to attend a home game at the start of Sept (at least the students at Kazoo who would actually show up for a game ;)), however, in one respect that wouldn't matter as Brooks could schedule an away game for the first game of the season.  Perhaps they are attempting to save $ by delaying bringing in the players a week later, but if so, I think that is somewhat "different".  Then again, I guess that we shouldn't complain because at least Kazoo has a fb team and that is the important factor.

BTW, are they going ever going back to having those black and orange horizontally striped sleeves on their jerseys?  I always thought those were neat - kind of "throwback to tradition" :) 


Sorry for the delay, FD3DB.  Was travelling the past few days.  I have to say, I'm not really connected into the Football program. However I do hear a little of what's going on.  There are many unhappy football alumns.  From what I hear it's getting to a pretty scary point.  The school is doing very little to help the program survive.  And I think it's pretty much in survival mode now.   K just can't (or doesn't want to) compete with Albion, Hope, Adrian, etc when it comes to financial aid.  The same kid that would get a $3K package to K would get $10-12K at Albion. It's tough. But I also think Coach Brooks needs to take a look at his practices. I don't care how tough it is, you can't bring in 15 recruits and have a football program. They don't have to be 5 star recruits at this point, they just need numbers.   

In all honesty, their goal is probably just to be able to field a team as the season progresses.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 13, 2007, 01:20:19 PM
stinger:

I have always heard that Kzoo imposes a quota on recruiting for football, that there incoming freshman can only be a certain percentage of the freshman class or something along those lines.  Have you ever heard of anything like that?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on September 13, 2007, 03:20:32 PM
I've never heard of a quota, not sure how that would work or how legal it would be.

The fact is that admissions needs to work a little closer to the program and the coaching staff needs to get out and recruit kids in MI, IL, OH and IN, not in Carolina, Florida, Texas, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 03:21:19 PM
Fairly certain a private school can do as it pleases there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 13, 2007, 06:43:14 PM
Picks for Sept. 15th:

Adrian at Bluffton:  Adrian
Thiel at Albion:  Thiel
Alma at UW-Eau Claire:  Alma
Valpo at Kazoo:  Valpo
Wittenberg at Olivet:  Wittenberg
Defiance at Tri-State:  Tri-State
WLC at Concordia:  Concordia

Good luck to all MIAA teams this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 13, 2007, 08:40:33 PM
Defiance at Tri State:  Tri State
Valpo at Kzoo:  Valpo
Alma at EauClaire:  Eau Claire
Thiel at Albion:  Thiel
Adrian at Bluffton:  Adrian
Wittenberg at Olivet:  Wittenberg
WLC at Concordia:  WLC

Meanwhile, I'll be sitting in Michigan Stadium, hoping to see something better than I saw last week.  Hey, at least I know I'll hear two good fight songs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 14, 2007, 11:47:17 AM
A band/fight song competition between the two schools might be more interesting than the game   :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 14, 2007, 01:43:13 PM
DC VS. TSU   TSU at home, I'll pick the mild upset   TSU
Vaqlpo VS Kazoo  Valpo Kazoo needs numbers bad
Alma VS Eau Claire  Ill go Eau Claire at home I think it will be tight
Thiel vs Albion  Albion at home and improving, Albion in tight one.
Adrain VS. Bluffton Adrian in control early, holds on for win.
Wittenberg VS Olivet  Hate to say it road team puts it to MIAA here
WLC VS Concordia  Home game for Concordia have to go with them, I am light on info here.

A lillte better weekend for the MIAA, lets hope everyone leaves healthy for the MIAA league play to start.

U of M vs ND hard to believe these 2 have been reduced to a Joke Game. How the mighty have falling. See no quick fix for either this year. Though I think U of M will win this game. Have to find some DB'S and learn how to tackle, looked like HS kids with the number tackles they missed the last 2 weeks.

Upset special Wisconsin goes down this weekend, as Big Ten continues to look bad this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wittdad on September 14, 2007, 03:10:16 PM
You MIAA guys shouldn't be so sure about Witt over Olivet. They are playing a lot of freshman. 15 on the 2 deep list for this game. Lost a lot from last year but the coaching staff appear, at least from the scrimmage against Muskingum (OAC) and the Capital game, to be using a lot of in-experienced players. Maybe trying to beef up for next two years having the soph QB. O-line is half young and was easily penetrated by senior laden Cap Defense, but some much bigger guys on the sideline. QB spent some time on his rear, even limping toward end of game. Don't place your bets yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 14, 2007, 08:08:17 PM
Correction

I meant Ohio State goes down this weekend.

Wisconsin plays another easy game.
No huge upsets like the U of M fiasco anytime soon.
Coachs are pointing to the U of M game as this is why every game every play is important
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on September 14, 2007, 08:35:14 PM
HOF:


Adrian's non-league schedule is not as tough as other teams I will give you that.  But if I am head coach, I would rather be 3-0 or 2-1 coming into league play as opposed to 0-3 or 1-2.  I think the psyche of a 3-0 team is much better than that of the latter; no matter what type of competition you play.  And if you look, Defiance just beat Otterbein, which is a solid program.  And as ADAWG mentioned, from talk around these boards Huntingdon is no slouch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on September 14, 2007, 08:36:40 PM
Forgot one thing...Good Luck to all the MIAA teams this weekend!  Lets show the country that last weeks shut-out was just a fluke!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 14, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
The last two MIAA Champions, Hope in 06, Albion in 05 both started the season 0-3 outside the conference.  In fact the 03 Champs, Hope, started 1-2 outside the league.

It seems only Alma has won a conference Championship with a winning non-conference record in recent seasons, in both 04 and 02.  And I would argue Hope and Albion played very tough non-conference competition.

Food for thought, and weird.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 14, 2007, 11:14:19 PM
ACRULZ:  I'm with you on the mojo for a team and the good start, but I always can't tell if Adrian is for real and can compete for the prize until they do so against some MIAA teams.  Nothing against Bluffton and the other down teams they've played in the past, but I do like to see teams battle the tough preseason foes since the at large is the league champion.  You know what I mean?  I also think since I was able to watch Adrian in person two weeks ago, that they'll be right there in the end.

ADAWG:  I'm really glad to hear the Bulldogs added Capital (eventhough they appear to be a bear!  Who got that on the schedule?!?!?!?!).  The Huntingdon add is good too.  Always nice to bring some out of region football your way.  Why all the changes in the schedule?  I mean ever since the last couple years I always saw the same teams on the preseason schedule.  Defiance, Heidelberg, Bluffton, etc.

That leads me to another question outside the box for all to answer.  Who does the scheduling at most MIAA schools?  Head Coaches, ADs, assistants, GAs, etc.??  I know at the big DIs the ADs handle it for the most part with some consulting, but at the DIII level the coaches have their hands on it.  I'd be interested to hear.   

Good luck to all teams and especially to those two teams playing in the big house who are playing not to lose, instead of playing to win.  Never a good thing right there.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 14, 2007, 11:47:28 PM
HOF:

At Adrian, at least last season, Aaron Klotz, the assitant head coach was in charge of scheduling and he set the schedule for what should be the next couple years.  Before Klotz, long time Adrian AD Henry Mensing had been responsible for the schedule and always did a good job with it.  Adding Huntingdon was a good move and should be a good game this year, however they had to pot out of the game down at their place in '08 now that they have joined a league.  Heidlberg actually  opted out of their contract with Adrian and dropped us from the schedule after the 61-14 loss they suffered in 2004 which put Adrian in the pinch to add Huntingdon and also Westminster last year as a one year stop gap.  The Berg decided to actually go out of region and try to schedule some games I believe out east to hopefully add a recruiting edge out that way.  Hopefully it works out as the Berg has a proud football tradition that has fallen on hard time recently, but thats a whole other post all together.  I personally think it would be good to see the MIAA and the OAC reach some sort of agreement where they play each other in the season openers as I know the OAC only has one non conference game.  I think it would be nice to see the 1st place teams play each other and so on down the line.  It may not bode to well for the MIAA but if you want to beat the best you have to play the best right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 14, 2007, 11:59:18 PM
Ahh, game day eve.  Tomorrow - tailgating, listening to the pre-game radio show, soaking in the festivities of a home opener, and a MIAA sweep.  Oh the good life.

Hope fans, you should have no problem with Bye. We had them last week...they're nothin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2007, 12:37:09 AM
I hear Martin is trying to get them on the schedule in Ann Arbor next season.

"If your going to play a bye, you might as well play the best bye out there"

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 15, 2007, 12:42:59 AM
Quote from: sac on September 15, 2007, 12:37:09 AM
I hear Martin is trying to get them on the schedule in Ann Arbor next season.

"If your going to play a bye, you might as well play the best bye out there"



They've already scheduled them this year, under the alias "Eastern Michigan". ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 15, 2007, 01:50:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 15, 2007, 12:42:59 AM
Quote from: sac on September 15, 2007, 12:37:09 AM
I hear Martin is trying to get them on the schedule in Ann Arbor next season.

"If your going to play a bye, you might as well play the best bye out there"



They've already scheduled them this year, under the alias "Eastern Michigan". ;D

HA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on September 15, 2007, 02:18:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 15, 2007, 12:42:59 AM
Quote from: sac on September 15, 2007, 12:37:09 AM
I hear Martin is trying to get them on the schedule in Ann Arbor next season.

"If your going to play a bye, you might as well play the best bye out there"



They've already scheduled them this year, under the alias "Eastern Michigan". ;D


Now thats funny!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 03:17:32 PM
Is Olivet still on top of Witt?  Looks like the MIAA might be bouncing back nicely from last week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 15, 2007, 04:01:30 PM
Despite the appreciation from ADAWG and ACRULZ, I owe EMU an apology - they beat NIU today!  Looks like the bye week was actually today - they're up 10-0 on ND after 7:26 of the 1st quarter. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 15, 2007, 04:34:27 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Must admit I was shocked to see the EMU win as well, I saw them play last weekend against Ball State and they did not look like  a team that would crack the win column anytime soon.  I would imagine NIU is going to have a bit of a down year, but hey maybe EMU is on the up and up.

On a side note, Adrian vs. Bluffton is a final, Adrian 20 Bluffton 0.  Havent seen any stats yet, but it appears in the score to be another strong showing for the Adrian defense, congrats!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 15, 2007, 05:13:37 PM
It's now UM 31, ND 0 at the half!

Maybe the national jokesters will finally leave Michigan alone and switch to Notre Dame (like a just world demands)! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2007, 09:24:52 PM
Take bye, give the points against ND.

My, my now thats a bad football team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 15, 2007, 09:40:34 PM
Tri-State 17
Defiance 13

This was an unbelievable game.  All I can say is I believe in Eric Watt!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 15, 2007, 10:22:42 PM
Letitrain:

Congrats to Tri State on the win, its good to see them making strides in the right direction and hopefully the momentum just keeps carrying!

Further thoughts on the Adrian Bluffton game.  I just got home from work and was able to look at the boxscore and WOW, what a game by Jim Deeres Defense at Adrian.  Bluffton must like smashing its head against a wall because thats the only equivalent I can see for running the ball 46 times for 23 yards.  Only giving up 106 passing yards on the day for a total of 129 yards is a great showing.  If anyone was at the game I would like to hear thoughts on the offense.  It looks at least by the stats that the running game continues to struggle 32 carries, 73 yards is not a great day by any means does anyone have any thoughts.  Passing game looks to have ignited some big plays for Adrian again, Beehler(great young WR) with a 45yd TD and I think everyone will have to get used to Troy Niblock scoring touch downs on the ground as he is an amazing athlete.  Turnovers looked like an issue for Adrian as well, 2 Int's and one fumble lost, all in all though a good win, anytime you can blank a team and do so at their place you have to be happy.  Congrats to all the Bulldogs on the win!  I look forward to catching my first game and seeing this team in person for the first time all season, hopefully thats this coming weekend!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 15, 2007, 10:30:29 PM
Albion let one get away today. 13-10

Defense played very well, fighting field position all day.

Offense showed signs of moving the ball. Just are not clicking, block FG and a fumble while going into score really came back to bite Albion.

Great weather for a game, nice crowd.
A bye week next week and the "real" season starts, if Albion can get a little Rythym to the offense they will be a force in the MIAA. getting beat on the outside rush too much need to get some backfield help on pass plays.

Defense is shaping up pretty nice, good punter hang time and coverage.

Glad to see the MIAA play some tough out of conference games, need to come out on the winning end of some of these.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 16, 2007, 12:53:34 AM
LetItRain,

What a game, eh!  It's getting hard not to believe in these guys, because they believe so much in themselves.  They sure made believers to the home crowd that set a new attendance record at TSU today.  Coach Land had said it would take three to four games to find out who they really are, and I think they are on track putting the pieces together.  You can notice their physical veteran defense anchored by definite individual conference stand-outs begin to ferment, and the offense invigorated with some key talented true freshmen begining to perform to levels well beyond their experience.

Exciting... you bet, but what most impressed me is their collective tenacity to never let up until the final gun.  Next week is Franklin, rated top in the HCAC.  A real trial as the team is still fine tuning itself, whatever the outcome I believe the Grizzleys will come to know the "never say die" attitude Coach Land and his staff has instilled in this Thunder team.

Tangled up in Blue.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 16, 2007, 01:30:44 AM
I will say this about the Michigan game:  Michigan played much better today.  They came out with an intensity I did not see last week against Oregon, and I think if they played the way they played today every week this year, they'd probably be 2-1.  They tackled better, they were flying around on special teams, and both the offensive and defensive lines dominated the line of scrimmage.

That said, Notre Dame is the worst team I've seen in a long time.  Clausen looked every bit the freshman, but his line gave him zero help.  It's telling that Notre Dame's best play all day was a fake punt in the first half (which I might add was a very nice, if necessary, call given the score at the time).  I have not looked at ND's schedule the rest of the way, but the folks in South Bend better brace themselves for an awfully painful season.

We'll see now if Michigan can build on its improvements next week against a strong Penn State squad.

As for the MIAA--glad to see Adrian get a win, pleasantly surprised by the defensive performance and slightly underwhelmed by the offensive output, but all in all a nice win.  Happy to see Tri State continue its winning ways.  Disappointed that Olivet couldn't pull out a victory over Wittenberg.  Looking forward to an exciting weekend upcoming!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 16, 2007, 10:30:45 PM
Any Olivet fans making the trip to Elmhurst next week and looking for good places to eat/hang out before/after the game here are a few spots close to campus.
Fitz's Pub wings, burgers, etc.
Mc Nally's Irish Pub casual Irish Bar/Grill
100 South York Restaurant (fancy and somewhat expensive)
Maple Tree Pancake House & Restaurant  good food
Kopper Kitchen Restaurant  very good food.
All are within 2-3 blocks of campus.
Safe travels to all and hope you can make down to the game.
Last year I think it took me 2.5 hours from suburban Chicago to Olivet, MI.  Give yourself some extra time as there is always a hangup on 80/94 south of Lake Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 18, 2007, 12:08:25 PM
Rules clarification please.

Can a player play in the JV game, and the Varsity game in the same week?

I thought I heard somewhere a reference to number of plays on Varsity.

What consistutes the same week. Sunday thru Saturday.

If a team has a by week on Saturday can a player play the following Monday and still be in that Saturdays game 5 days later?

Thank You in advance

By the way the League play starts with this next game. I think the league will be wide open again, several teams in the mix.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 18, 2007, 02:10:28 PM
It was my understanding that as long as the player still had the 24 hour no contact period during the week (sunday to sunday) then he could play in both games.  At Adrian one year, we had a player play 3 games in one week, JV on Monday, Varsity Saturday and JV Sunday.  He had the Sunday off as a 24 hour no contact thus fulfilling the requirement the only long term problem that you can run into is that players are only allowed 10 games and a scrimmage, so if they play to many JV games you lose them for varsity or vis versa.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 18, 2007, 06:15:59 PM
Dawg

Thanks for the info.

I thought I noticed some of the same players when I was watching a JV and Varsity game.
While they were in separate weeks, it got me thinking the above question.

I could see how the 10 game rule could be burned up his availabilty quickly on a young player whom is good, and varsity can not decide if they should use him or not in a game.

I would think getting the varsity play would be more beneficial , but if they only get a series or 2  then it is a lost game on JV level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 18, 2007, 06:22:21 PM
Football fans

Go to the CCIW postings

Scary story about Wheaton QB injury, sounds like he will be OK Thank God.

He is in our prayers, as it could happen to one of My boys 1 day and should not happen to anyone.

Remember to tell your kids, and players how proud you are of them, no matter how they played (or did not get in ) because it is hard work and can come to a crashing end all to quickly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on September 20, 2007, 08:08:42 AM
Here are my picks this week:

Adrian over Huntingdon - Will be a close one
Alma over Wittenberg - My upset special
K-Zoo over Bluffton - With Bluffton's offense K-Zoo's defense will look like stars
Olivet over Elmhurst
Franklin over Tri-State
Wheaton over Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 20, 2007, 03:41:58 PM
Adrian over Huntingdon
Alma over Wittenberg
Bluffton over Kzoo
Elmhurst over Olivet
Tri State over Franklin
Wheaton over Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 20, 2007, 04:11:02 PM
Picks for Sept. 22

Huntingdon, Ala. at Adrian:  Adrian
Wittenberg, Ohio at Alma:  Alma
Bluffton, Ohio at Kalamazoo:  Kalamazoo
Olivet at Elmhurst, Ill.:  Elmhurst
Tri-State at Franklin, Ind.:  Franklin
Hope at Wheaton, Ill.:  Wheaton
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 20, 2007, 05:32:00 PM
Picks:

Adrian over Huntingdon: Should be a good game Huntingdon has athletes.
Wittenberg over Alma
Kalamazoo over Bluffton
Elmhurst over Olivet: Elmhursts QB is dynamite and Olivet seems to have problems there.
Tri State over Franklin: I want to believe  and think TSU might be scrappy enough
Hope over Wheaton: It has to come together sooner or later
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2007, 07:51:37 PM
My picks for this weekend:

Huntingdon @ Adrian:  Adrian (While Huntingdon is much improved   
                                    team this year, Adrian too strong)
Wittenberg @ Alma:  Wittenberg (Witt just got by Olivet, but Witt
                                  historically is a tough team vs. Alma even at the
                                  latter's place)
Bluffton @ Kalamazoo:  Bluffton (Although Bluffton is 0-2 and Kazoo
                                      scored 24 on DIAA Valpo, I think Bluffton having
                                      played two games is the advantage over a thin #'d
                                      squad at Kazoo; I could be wrong however ::))
Olivet @ Elmhurst:  Elmhurst (BlueJays are a good team and it is at
                                their stadium - Olivet struggling which is surprising
                                although they should have beaten Witt last week)
Tri-State @ Franklin:  Tri-State (TSU is much improved and on a roll -
                                  hope the bubble dosn't burst this Sat ;D)
Hope @ Wheaton:  Hope (As DAWG said, it has to start 
                                somewhere  :) ;D, even though it is a Wheaton and
                                their starting QB is out for the season most likely -
                                BTW my prayers are with him and his family and the
                                Wheaton team in that situation - and Hope historically
                                has not always played as well at Wheaton, Hope just
                                might pull this one in IF they don't self-implode.  I have
                                to go with my alma mater in this one ;D)
Albion and Wis-Luth both have a "bye" this week.


Good luck to all MIAA teams this week and safe travels to all of you who will be going on the road to see those games.

Best regards to all my MIAA colleagues here,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 20, 2007, 08:06:20 PM
Greetings, Hope fans!  It's been some time since I've last been able to check in on you all--the women's basketball final four two years ago in Springfield, to be exact.

Normally, I cover games photographically for d3football.com in the South Region, as I live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area.  However, a business trip will be bringing me to the Chicago area this weekend, and I'm going to be able to shoot the Wheaton/Hope game Saturday evening.  (Thank goodness for the 7 p.m. kickoff!) If you'd like to see some of my other game coverage, you can check it out by visiting the Photo Galleries link on the front page of this site.

Please be sure to look for the photo gallery on Sunday, and please support this site by ordering prints early and often.  I also take special requests, so if there's anyone that would like me to snap some shots of something in particular, please send me a private message or email me offline--I'll be glad to accommodate any and all requests.

I'm looking forward to my first taste of real, midwest football in a long time this weekend.  Please say "hi" if you see me and introduce yourself--it's always great to meet fellow DIII fans!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 20, 2007, 11:37:08 PM
ADRIAN over Huntingdon - tough defensive battle...Doghouse is the edge
ALMA over Wittenberg - cocky Alma offense shows-off at home, lots of points
KALAMAZOO over Bluffton - tooo close, hornet victory assured if throwback stripes worn
Elmhurst over OLIVET - Jays are really pumped up this year, plus home field
TRI-STATE over Franklin - upset special, Thunder doesn't know any better than to be intimidated by a national ranked team's home opener.
HOPE over Wheaton - Wheaton favorite (home, depth, recent emotional purpose), but bad timing, Hope now clicking while Wheaton is suddenly regrouping.

Good luck MIAAsters, would be nice to have a MIAA sweep just before we all begin to mix it up between ourselves.  Well said formerd3db, "safe travels to all".

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 21, 2007, 10:25:25 AM
Hey Hope and MIAA fans.  I know that David Booko has not played in the first 2 games due to suspension, is he expected back this week vs. the Thunder?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 21, 2007, 12:24:58 PM
Quote from: matblake on September 21, 2007, 10:25:25 AM
Hey Hope and MIAA fans.  I know that David Booko has not played in the first 2 games due to suspension, is he expected back this week vs. the Thunder?

matblake:

Yes, Booko's suspension was for the first two games; he was to be eligible to play for the Wheaton game.  No having checked the with anyone and/or the Hope and MIAA website yet, and I have not heard anything to the contrary, but assuming he is healthy, he should be ready to go for the game.  Not sure if he is starting, but since he is a Sr. and Captain, I would suspect so, even though his back-up did a great job in the last game.

Deaconblue:
Thanks and good luck to your team this weekend.  Great to have you on the board.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 21, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
Thanks former.  I hope Wheaton is not looking past this game.  I believe that Hope is better than their record indicates.  With Booko returning and adding in the injury to Zach Ullrich and having a less seasoned QB in the game things could get interesting. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchDad on September 21, 2007, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2007, 12:24:58 PM
Quote from: matblake on September 21, 2007, 10:25:25 AM
Hey Hope and MIAA fans.  I know that David Booko has not played in the first 2 games due to suspension, is he expected back this week vs. the Thunder?

matblake:

Yes, Booko's suspension was for the first two games; he was to be eligible to play for the Wheaton game.  No having checked the with anyone and/or the Hope and MIAA website yet, and I have not heard anything to the contrary, but assuming he is healthy, he should be ready to go for the game.  Not sure if he is starting, but since he is a Sr. and Captain, I would suspect so, even though his back-up did a great job in the last game.

Deaconblue:
Thanks and good luck to your team this weekend.  Great to have you on the board.



From what I have been told, RB David Booko is expected to start on Saturday.  QB Jake Manning is a game time decision, but doubtful.  Everyone else is healthy with DE Matt Rugenstein back to full speed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: burly on September 21, 2007, 10:25:51 PM
What high school also plays at the same stadium as Hope?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 21, 2007, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: Billy Pilgrim on September 21, 2007, 10:25:51 PM
What high school also plays at the same stadium as Hope?

Pilgrim:

Holland High School also uses the Holland stadium.  Holland West Ottawa High School has their own field/stadium as I recall.  Nearby Zeeland and Zeeland West High Schools have their own facilities also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: burly on September 22, 2007, 12:52:16 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2007, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: Billy Pilgrim on September 21, 2007, 10:25:51 PM
What high school also plays at the same stadium as Hope?

Pilgrim:

Holland High School also uses the Holland stadium.  Holland West Ottawa High School has their own field/stadium as I recall.  Nearby Zeeland and Zeeland West High Schools have their own facilities also.

Has there been any talk about building a stadium?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 22, 2007, 08:32:08 AM
Good luck to all MIAA teams today.  Hopefully our non-conference winning % improves before the race begins next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 22, 2007, 04:43:55 PM
Tri-State:  14
Franklin:  38

QB Eric Watt was hurt during the game, but I don't know the extent of the injury.  They're announcing either a knee or ankle injury, no idea of how severe at this time.

Paul Curtis was also out for this game - there was some mention that he is sick, but no details.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 22, 2007, 07:27:17 PM
Looks like a tough day again for the MIAA congratulations to Kzoo on a big day as well as to Jordan Tallman on a big day passing, 398yds and 3 TD's, even with 2 INT's nothing to scoff at.

I was able to attend the first half of the Adrian game today and it was some downright exciting football with a half time score of Huntingdon 22 Adrian 19.  Adrian came out strong a big pass play setting up two runs for the TD on the first drive followed by a long TD to Pat Reagan on  the next drive.  Two 15 yarders on that play resulted in a missed PAT and kicking from the 15 however.  Huntingdon came back after their starting QB got knocked out of the game and their backup came in and played very well he was a gritty player to say the least and finished with 4TD passes.  Adrian showed some big play ability with TD passes of 55, 27 and 22yds in the game although Adrian QB's did combine for 4 INT's on the day and were hit hard on several occasions despite allowing one sack.  The defense stepped up in the second half and in overtime keeping Huntingdon out of the endzone and played as solid game after the first half lots of scrambling by the Huntingdon QB opened up some real passing opportunities but all in all another very solid game from the AC defense.  All in all from what I saw and what the game ended up as some great football Huntingdon was a solid team that gave Adrian a test and let the players come back which gave them some adversity to overcome which is never a bad thing before the league season.  A better effort running the ball by Adrian today, gaining 100+ yards, but still lacking a bit in the ypc category which could prove troublesome down the road, sitting at slightly over 3.  Improvement though is gradual. 

I was also able to attend the EMU vs. Howard game today and to get some sideline passes which was an experience, it was alright some decent football from EMU some dumb plays from Howard.  Highlight there had to be Howard Universities marching band at halftime, I encourage anyone who gets a chance to see an MEAC marching band to do so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 22, 2007, 10:20:08 PM
Any Hope updates out there?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 22, 2007, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 22, 2007, 10:20:08 PM
Any Hope updates out there?

Wheaton 42 - Hope 7.   7 minutes left in the game.  Hope's lone TD came after Wheaton jumped offsides and blocked a Hope FG, giving Hope a 1st down in the redzone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 22, 2007, 11:12:41 PM
Yikes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 22, 2007, 11:56:19 PM
Yikes is right, but that's putting it mildly! ;D :( :o :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 23, 2007, 01:12:36 AM
No excuses.  Franklin is good.  Near perfect execution on both sides of the ball the entire first quarter 28-0.  It was scary as they played in mid-season form with almost "patriot" vision.  ;D ;)  By late in the second quarter TSU started to settle down, adjust, dig in, and play hit for hit, but a catch-up offense against this caliber of a team is almost as futile as spitting into the wind.

Hail K-ZOO - impressive!  The "Lords of Dogtown" 3-0 - nice!

Now the fun begins - MIAA Football!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 23, 2007, 10:29:36 AM
As they'd say over on the basketball board, the "preseason" is over, and now it's time to get down to business.  Good luck to everyone on another MIAA season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 23, 2007, 11:08:05 AM
MIAA play should be interesting.  With Albion, Alma, Hope, and Olivet all starting out 0-3, it's hard to say what will happen.  Clearly the MIAA is way way down this year.  Only Adrian looks decent, and Tri-State is much improved. 

I saw Wittenberg at Alma yesterday.  Alma's QB is young, but he'll improve with experience.  For a sophomore, he showed a lot of speed and mobility.  They have some good receivers, and the O-line looks decent as well.  The offense is typical for Alma.  When things are clicking, they move the ball fast, and are very potent, but yesterday they fell behind 16-0 and couldn't bounce back.  At one point in the 3rd quarter they had closed the gap at 23-15 and were threatening to score, but that's as close as it ever was.  Defense was also pretty typical.  Time will tell.  If McGrady can settle down a little and the defense can make some adjustments on pass coverage, the Scots will be alright. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 23, 2007, 12:15:41 PM
Though Olivet is 0-3 they looked pretty good for a quarter yesterday in Elmhurst.  Their receiver Chris Smith #16 was a deer running down field and scored their first TD.  As I posted on our board, I cannot understand why OC didn't continue to try and burn our CB who was consistently 2-3 steps behind on the deep routes?  There was a chance for 2-3 more scores with an overthrow and drop.  OC should have beat IWU, had the game vs. Wittenberg basically won, so they could easily be 2-1 as opposed to 0-3.
From an outsider's opinion (mine) I think the MIAA trophy is up for the taking and whomever can mount 6-7 weeks of hustle and execution, will be making it into post season. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 23, 2007, 01:09:03 PM
So much for Booko's truimphant return.  Did he even see the field?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 23, 2007, 01:33:08 PM
Word from a third party at the Adrian game was that Adrian looked sloppy most of the game, and that Huntingdon was pretty athletic, not a bad team at all.  That considered, it was good for Adrian to come back and get that win.  Hopefully they'll use this nonconference season as a springboard to a good MIAA campaign, though I'm sure the conference will be every bit as tough as it's been in recent years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 23, 2007, 03:45:02 PM
section7:

I was not able to attend the game, however, in quick review of the comprehensive game stats posted on Hope's fb website, his name does not appear.  Thus, it appears he may not have played, although if he did, no rushing attempts which would be very strange.  We'll find out the "story" later this week, although perhaps some of our colleagues here might know and be able to share/post some info regarding this before then.  I wonder what happened? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 23, 2007, 04:00:02 PM
jaybird:

Nice analysis although we would expect that from you being in the job position you are in for Elmhurst! ;)  Congrats to your alma mater on their win yesterday and a great 3-0 start.  Sounds like it might be a "barnburner" against Carthage next weekend.

As far as Olivet, indeed it would seem strange as to why they would not try to capitalize on an area where they had some success.  That doesn't sound like the usual "Big O" coaching strategy - very strange to me ???.  Some people are probably surprised at the poor start that Olivet has had as some expected them to be a fairly decent team this year and a good start - although on the other hand, some people are probably not surprised at their 0-3 start ;D  I will say, however, that in recent years they are traditionally a very dangerous team once MIAA play starts and anyone of the MIAA teams who takes them lightly could be in for a surprise.

I must admit that the 0-3 start by the several MIAA teams is surprising, disheartening, and somewhat puzzling.  Many of us have discussed this here before, but by playing tougher non-conference teams in the early season should help improve a team for post-season play eventually i.e. in the long run.  However, the MIAA, while many of their teams have stepped up in scheduling some tougher non-conf foes, with this even worse start than in previous years, it appears that things are getting worse.  This leaves me (and I'm sure others) wondering when our teams will "turn the corner" and start to see some results of that stategy/philosophy. ??? :-\

Additional general thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 23, 2007, 04:36:54 PM
The MIAA isn't way down, its exactly how it's been for the last 3 seasons.  The last 2 MIAA Champions are 1-5 in non-conference play.

2007 ..7-16
2006..5-18
2005..8-16
2004..11-12
2003..21-5
2002..17-10

Maybe they are scheduling tougher opponenets. ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 23, 2007, 05:33:51 PM
formerd3db- Good to hear from you and yes, my color analyst and I kept shrugging our shoulders in the booth, trying to figure out why they abandoned the deep post?  I could see them going to other things if EC was stopping the Comets deep threats, however that wasn't the case.  Oh well, no crying over spilled milk and I think the MIAA should be aware that #16 in Red/White is dangerous.  ;)
Non conference records can be deceiving.  There were a couple of seasons in the late 90's where EC was 2-1 or 3-0 in non conference, only to struggle mightely in conference.  We all know that the only thing that matters is how you far in your conference.  It appears that the MIAA is similar to the CCIW in that there is high parity and anybody can beat anybody any given (Sat)day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 23, 2007, 05:58:36 PM
sac:

They may not be way down in the years you list and they may be scheduling tougher opponents, however, the question is when will be be seeing the desired results? ??? ;D  I don't think anyone knows the answer to that question. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 23, 2007, 06:06:15 PM
jaybird:

Great to hear from you as well.  Thanks for contributing to our board.  I know what you mean re: the parity issue.  Obviously, the important #1 team goal is winning the conference and gaining the AQ.  But, while the parity is good within, as I alluded to in my previous post above, it then comes down to "when will we see some progress in the playoffs" and how can that be accomplished?  Better non-conference games, better players recruited or a combination of both? With regards to the MIAA, that may be more of a challange, due in part to the DII teams in our region recruiting for that available talent as some have discussed on here concerning this topic in the past.  Thanks for your discussion.  Good luck to Elmhurst the rest of the way.  Might we see an Elmhurst/Hope match-up in the playoffs? ??? ;D   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 23, 2007, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 23, 2007, 03:45:02 PM
section7:

I was not able to attend the game, however, in quick review of the comprehensive game stats posted on Hope's fb website, his name does not appear.  Thus, it appears he may not have played, although if he did, no rushing attempts which would be very strange.  We'll find out the "story" later this week, although perhaps some of our colleagues here might know and be able to share/post some info regarding this before then.  I wonder what happened? ???

Wheaton radio broadcasters mentioned something about how Booko was supposed to be returning but he hurt his hamstring during the week.  I can't confirm this obviously, but he didn't play a down.  In addition the 2nd string RB was hurt as well.  Hope started a 3rd string, freshman RB.  The guy has potential as he ran really hard.  He just didn't have any holes to run through.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 23, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
formerd3db-- boy I would love that!  My immediate goals for Elmhurst are to attain 7 to 8 wins and build from there.  We should have been 7-3 last year, but the shoulda, coulda, woulda routine is well- you know.   
I think EC has a shot in every game in the CCIW just as I think Olivet, Hope, and Albion have a shot in every MIAA game this year also. 
My own personal opinion, while I think a lot of it is coaching, I think much of it is recruiting and colleges really looking to attain the incumbent's strengths. (If that makes any sense) For example, in our conference Wheaton has been the stalwart of the 90's/00's and EC/Car/NC have all been using the Thunder (mostly Coach Swider) as a barometer to try and measure up.  Part of the problem with EC/NC and Carthage is that you compete for virtually the same kids in such a small geographic window.  This is where Millikin/IWU/Augie had the advantage through the 1960's-1980's.
I am sure Hope will do very well in the MIAA this year.    Getting ready to cheer on my Bears tonight, so I will bid goodnight and wish Hope and the MIAA success here on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 24, 2007, 01:20:01 AM
Albion, Alma, Hope, Olivet, and Tri-State all played elite national ranked teams in the "pre-season".  Guys, the best in the NATION.  Heck, Hope played two teams in the top ten!   8)

Most of these schools get their ranking based on previous season's success factoring in the amount of returning lettermen.  These programs are usually ahead of the curve (readiness) in the early season.  Interesting that they find it constructive to play MIAA schools, and not each other.  We should expect early season trouble from these squads, but by November teams become "seasoned" and things never quite look the same as they did in September.  My thoughts...the early season has not reduced the MIAA's chances of playoff success...it's a long season.   

Should we be scheduling perennial powers?  The obvious benefit is that a win could propell one into the early national rankings, and that can work like adrenaline allowing a team to perform above expectations.  I still believe the difference between a good team and a real good team is state of mind.  There is also the belief that you learn to play to the level of your competition.   

The down-side of these early season challenges is based on the potential of facing a team far more advanced (readiness) at that point in the season.  MIAA football certainly does not lack the talent nationally, but lacks the depth of some conferences (enevitable & desireable - geography,gpa, ect.) Early injury is always a threat.  Just as important, early season games serve to perfect execution and assess personnel in real-game pressure.  Being forced dramatically out of gameplan or forced to use only limited personnel for multiple quarters may leave a team behind the curve when conference play begins.  Lastly, a point trouncing in the early season can have lasting effects to a team that fails to put it in perspective.

Sorry for the long post, but an interesting subject.  Keep an eye on Hope and Adrian (examples of both strategies).     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 24, 2007, 11:01:35 AM
There are some really interesting matchups to start the conference season this week.  Can't wait to see how this plays out.

With all the talk about Kalamazoo being down, they beat the same Bluffton team Adrian beat last week, and have showed surprising vitality in their early games.  We'll learn a lot about both Adrian and Kzoo from how that game goes this week.

Similarly, I think we'll find out a great deal about how far this Tri State program has come in their matchup with Alma.  If they can take the Scots out in week 1, it will say quite a bit about the status of their program.

These two games almost overshadow the annual fistfight that is Hope v. Albion, but not quite.  One would imagine these two programs would have a very large say in who wins the MIAA title, as they do just about every year.  Clearly, these two programs don't care much for one another, and it will be interesting to see if they can top last year's battle in Holland.

I know I'm giving short shrift to Olivet and WLC, but I suppose that game will be a nice measuring stick for both teams, especially for Olivet, given the comments that have been directed toward them recently on this board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 24, 2007, 12:18:52 PM
Some food for thought:

Non-league results,etc.

Adrian (3-0/opponents record 2-8)
Defiance 1-2/Bluffton 0-3/Huntingdon 1-3
The skinny:  Defiance loss to Tri-State not good...Bluffton gets blown away by Kzoo...Huntingdon and their 1-3 record doesn't look great and they took AC to OT...will Adrian falter again after a hot start??
Strength of Non-league: C-
MIAA pick:  3rd

Alma (0-3/7-3)
Cornell 2-1/Eau-Claire 3-1/Wittenberg 2-1
The skinny:  Life without Brehm seems rather tough, but so does the Scots schedule.  Look for coach Cole to lead the troops back into the hunt this year.
Strength of Non-league:  A-
MIAA pick:  3rd

Albion (0-3/8-3)
Butler 4-0/Wheaton 3-0/Theil 1-3
The skinny:  The Brits first two oppo's are tough...they played Wheaton tough...played Theil tough, who seems to be down after two good years...Brits D will hold them in it, while a new QB settles down.
Strength of Non-league:  A
MIAA pick:  2nd

Hope (0-3/8-2)
River Falls 1-2/Central 4-0/Wheaton 3-0
The skinny:  They got blown away by River Falls...0-3...been there done that...just getting healthy...Hope will be there and will run away....they can run the ball...always good up front and remember the Oline wins titles.
Strength of Non-league:  A
MIAA pick:  1st

Kzoo (1-1/3-4)
Valpo 3-1/Bluffton 0-3
The skinny:  Throwing the ball might be the ticket for Kzoo....with lack of numbers playing over air will help...but can they stop anyone?...nope....but they do improve.
Strength of Non-league:  C
MIAA pick: 4th

Olivet (0-3/6-3)
Ill Wesleyan 1-2/Witt 2-1/Elmhurst 3-0
The skinny:  No QB and no proven RB has the Comet faithful wondering what to expect....you can count on a game from the Comets...where is Lonnie Jones?
Strength of Non-league:  B
MIAA pick: 4th

TSU (2-1/5-4)
Manchester 2-1/Defiance 1-2/Franklin 2-1
The skinny:  Weak preseason along with Adrian has them sitting 2-1...is it real?  I think they are improved, but not quite there yet.
Strength of Non-league:  C
MIAA pick:  5th

Wisc. Lutheran (1-2/6-4)
Aurora 1-2/Concordia 2-2/Dubuque 3-0
The skinny:  I don't know much about the warriors...what....Kehl ain't back....told you I don't know much.
Strength of Non-league:  B-
MIAA pick: 6th

Thoughts.....just for fun remember.....I thought the records of the oppo's was rather interesting.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 24, 2007, 01:04:50 PM
HOF:

I agree with your assesment.  The only point I would add is to look deeper with Huntingdon.  Their overall record is 1-3, however all 3 losses have come to undefeated teams.  Including a loss to 3-0 UW-Oshkosh, a loss to 3-0 Adrian and a loss to 4-0 Maryville.  They are by far the best team that Adrian played in the non conference although not on the same level as some other MIAA teams opponents.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on September 24, 2007, 01:33:40 PM
HOF: 


As far as Adrian's non-league schedule...not tough, I agree.  Huntingdon, despite its 1-3 record is a good football team.  They also played tough competition.  But anyway, tough non-leage, tough league schedule...it doesn't matter.  If Adrian played a tough non-league schedule and went 0-3 they would try to find positives out of it just like Albion and all the other schools are doing.  I still contend that it is important for a team to build confidence before the "real" schedule begins.  I'm no expert and neither is anyone else on this board but the head  coach generally knows the psyche of a team and knows who needs to be scheduled or not scheduled. 

All in all, the "new" season starts now and all of this becomes a moot point anyway.  The MIAA champion will go to the playoffs and because of the non-league performance there will not be any at-large berths for MIAA teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2007, 05:26:38 PM
Interesting and very insightful comments all of you.  Only one I might minorly disagree with is HOF's "grade" for Hope against non-league opponents.  Not intending to take away anything at all from the good effort given by our players, but the secondary has had significant problems in giving up "the long TD" passes on simple routes (fly and posts) and the offense has struggled in the red zone.  As such, I'd probably give them a "B" grade, considering the competition we've played, so in regards to the latter, I would agree with HOF :)

Indeed, it is now a "whole new season" and it will be interesting to see what transpires.  As everyone is aware, we all could be witness to a "see-saw" performance each week by all the teams if MIAA history of play continues as it has in recent years during the regular season!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2007, 10:00:36 PM
I just saw the announcement that Tri-State will be changing its name by 2009 to Trine University to honor one of its successful and high contributing financial backers and his wife.  I had forgotten that TSU had formed a committee a while back regarding a name change, which is apparently being done for several reasons as noted in D3.com's article.

What do you Tri-State backers think about this?  I am intersted in your opinions on the topic (as I'm sure others are).  Sounds like the Rowan University situation a few years back. ;D  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 25, 2007, 12:36:41 AM
formerd3db,

Thanks for the heads-up, I've been waiting for that announcement.  Trine University had been the prediction around campus coolers.  Though the counter-arguement stated that colleges are not named after doners, only buildings are...until someone mentioned Rowan as you did.

I thought perhaps they might call it Angola University, following the tradition of the MIAA schools keeping the local identity such as Adrian, Albion, Alma...whoa...maybe too many "A" teams.  :D

There is some sadness that the Tri-State name dating back to 1884 will no longer exist.  Though the misinterpretation of TSU as a state college has plagued them for a long time.  The possibility of a name change took on a more serious tone recently with the increasing market competition for students, and TSU efforts to sell itself as a small private college.

I suppose Trine still contains the TRI.  We can also keep the "T" on the helmets.  There was also talk, did not see any mention of it in the D3 article, of changing the nickname Thunder back to the Trojans?  Could have been just a rumor. 

Now, the big problem is all the Tri-State gear I have.  One more year and it is all obsolete.  Oh well, guess people still wear Beatles t-shirts.   

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 25, 2007, 01:21:31 AM
I like the Angola University idea.

Trine Trojans  ???
Title: Boo Olivet
Post by: rome on September 25, 2007, 07:40:35 AM
In the '07 season opener against IWU, Olivet rushed for  60 yds. (160 yds. passing).  In the second game against Wittenburg they had -11 yds. rushing (219 yds. passing).  And against Elmhurst they had 66 yds. rushing. (219 yds. passing). They are now 0-3.

Compare those numbers with the last game of the 2004 (Irv Sigler's last game) vs. then first place Albion (MI) College; 477 yds. rushing (110 yds. passing)  That team led the nation with an average of 417.1 yds. rushing a game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2007, 07:45:48 AM
Deacon Blue...after next year, your Tri-State stuff will be collectors items and "throwback" gear, harkening back to the good old days of "Tri-State."   ;D     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2007, 07:56:51 AM
Widener is also named after a donor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 25, 2007, 12:36:15 PM
Glad to see everyone is still alive!  I've often wondered about the activity pattern this board has....one day 10 post...one day no post.  I'm included in that.  Maybe we outta get our priorities straight...post and then work...haaa.

Anyways....I like how the Okla St. coach stood up for his player.  Colin Herd, however, does not.

I'm thinking about going to watch the Dutch at Albion.  A major clash right off the bat.

My sleeper might be Olivet.  The last three years, they always find away to beat some people.

How has the attendance been at some places?

I'd like to see Pat and the gang come visit a MIAA match-up....any thoughts for you to come watch the MIAA?  Maybe you have?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 25, 2007, 01:29:37 PM
HOF:

The attendance at Adrians home opener was very good.  No where near what it was last season, but to be expected, full stands and seating on the hill.  The student section is still quite lacking and going back to a long ago post of mine the students are much to apathetic at Adrian, no one gets involved in supporting teams but other athletes. I dont know if thats the case everywhere or just Adrian.

Olivet was my pick for a top contender this year as well, but sleeper may be more likely.  I have come off of Olivet a bit now as their running game seems to have disappeared and that has always been their bread and butter so it will be interesting to see how they adjust.  Their defense is still dangerous but the O has bigger questions than before.  I am troubled by the fact that their top two running backs from last year are gone as well in Clasgens and Jones Clasgens not getting any carries and Jones no longer with the team, that was a very good one two punch and is obviously proving hard to replace.   Any Olivet insiders out there who know why clasgens has fallen out of favor and where Lonnie Jones has gone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 25, 2007, 07:30:41 PM
Deacon:

Thanks for the follow-up info. Indeed, as Uncle Rico has said, your TSU gear will be collectors items, so hold onto that stuff.  Like, you, I think Angola would have been a good name, but as we know, $ speaks and in this era's economy, small schools have to do what they have to do to keep up with all the others.  No doubt the Trine's have nothing but the best intent for their university and their gifts and contributions are appreciated for sure.  No doubt other schools would love to have donors like that.  I also a "traditionalist" like you and the history of the "Tri-State" name going back to 1884 is indeed a bit sad to lose.  But, "that's the way it goes".  It will be interesting to see if the Trojan nickname does come back, however, I tend to agree with sac that the "Trine Trojans" does have a, well let's just say, a weird ring to it! ;D  Finally, it will also be interesting to see the eventual updates to their stadium.

Pat:  Thanks for that info re: Widener.  I did not know that.

Rome:  Glad to have you back!  Where have you been?  We welcome your insight on the "Big O" :)  Please contribute.





Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 25, 2007, 07:34:51 PM
Deacon Addendu:

I know what you mean about the "streak" posting.  While our board has stepped it up a lot the past 4 months or so, we all need to keep this going.  Heck, the HCAC board is fast catching up with us even after losing all their post counts a while back (we used to be more than double ahead of them in pages).  I would just like to join in with you in saying, that I, too, have appreciated the insightful and civility of posts that our MIAA colleagues have done here.  I thank all of you for your "class", even when we have differing opinions.  Let's keep it up.

I'll post my predictions for this week later.  I will be with Hope at our game @ Albion this weekend.  I look for a "barnburner" as usual as bulldogalum has pointed out!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 26, 2007, 12:40:12 AM
Absolutly right, Uncle Rico and this season and next season are still the "good old days" of Tri-State Thunder football!  We're writing history now, let's puncuate it with a gallant ending signaling a new beginning.

As a tribute to the start of the conference play, I believe you would agree with me in saying it is an honor being a part of the tradition of the MIAA - the oldest collegiate league in the nation.  Next year Albion and Olivet celebrate 120 years and Adrian 100 years, this year Kalamazoo 110 years and Alma 105, last year Hope reached 80 years.  They've bumped heads with University of Michigan, Notre Dame, and Michigan State.  The tradition just drips off of this league, and the pureness of D3 football preserves it.

Looking forward to the trip to Alma this weekend, the beautiful Michigan countryside beginning to turn color as one heads further north.  The pre-game festivities, the famous Scots Marching Band, and ultimately the clash of the Blue and Maroon as only the MIAA can serve up.  Whew!

HOF: Agreed, love reading all the posts.  Answer to your question - all of TSU's games were near or at capacity attendence.  The MIAA web site posts the attendence in their game stats, if I remember correctly we averaged 3K - 4K.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2007, 08:11:19 AM
formerd3db,

Pat found me the picture of "the meeting" Justin Harris and I had back in 1999..


I'm sending you a link in your personal messages..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 26, 2007, 11:48:50 AM
Justin Harris, the DT from Alma?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on September 27, 2007, 08:44:16 AM
Dom needs to step down now...

This current crop of players is the last bit of talent that Irv brought in...he is running off quality players and what offense is he running? Well, it is what you see on Sundays--but without the skill---this staff is in over its head and it shows

04 it looked like Olivet was ready for a run at the conference and the playoffs---now it is like watching a stone in water--back to the basement.

OC should have stayed in-house---but on the OFFENSIVE side--Jay Carrigan would have had this team playing hard nose football.


Boo---Boo---Boo!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on September 27, 2007, 10:40:08 AM
My picks this week:


Adrian over K- Zoo - Big time blowout
Albion over Hope - Battle of the beaten's
Tri-State over Alma - My upset special
Olivet over WLC
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 27, 2007, 03:47:47 PM
My picks:

Adrian over Kalamazoo
Hope over Albion
Alma over Tri-State
Olivet over Wisconsin Lutheran
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 27, 2007, 05:23:00 PM
My picks: (basically agree with everyone else ;D)

Adrian over Kalamazoo
Hope over Albion (Hopefully we'll get lucky there for once ;D)
Alma over Tri-State
Olivet over Wis-Luth

Good luck to all teams this weekend.  Initial report appears the weather will be nice.  Safe drive to all who are traveling to the games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 27, 2007, 05:43:39 PM
Adrian over Kalamazoo
Hope over Albion (Booko Returns)
Tri State over Alma (No Brehm + TSU scoring 36 last year and improved this year)
Olivet over Wisconsin Lutheran

Notes:

Adrian is rolling at this point and as good as Kzoo's offense looked against Bluffton, they will not be able to match that performance against the Bulldog Defense.  Adrians offense has been playing well, if the running game becomes more consistent and the turnovers are limited things are looking very up.  Kzoo while always having good defensive schemes is just outmanned in most games this will be the case here as well.

Hope has a ton of talent and if Booko can return and get back on track they will be a much improved football team and it will take pressure off of the QB and passing game.  The defense is solid and will show itself well as it always does in the MIAA season.  Albion is a solid team, though they have suffered key losses on defense at some positions which may hinder them in this game.  I think it will be a very close game but Hope has the edge.

Tri State is a much improved team this year despite the loss to Franklin last week.  Coach Land and his staff did a good job last year with a rather bare cupboard and with another year of recruting under their belts should be better.  Even last year TSU wasnt the pushover they have been and their offense did manage 36pts against Alma.  Alma suffers from the loss of an amazing quarterback and while MCgrady has promise this isnt his year to replicate Brehm.  TSU is my upset pick, but this game could slide the other way just as easliy as Coach Cole always does a good job with his team.

Olivet is a strange team this year.  I dont know quite what is going on with them as the commitment to the running game which has been their staple in years past seems to have gone by the wayside.  This class is the last of Irv Siglers recruits so they do still have some very good talent.  WLC is an unknown to most of us MIAA fans as they are a distant team.  Losing Kehl is a huge blow for them and will greatly hamper their efforts in the MIAA this season.

Good luck to all MIAA teams, hopefully everyone stays healthy this season as it should be a close and exciting MIAA race.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 27, 2007, 11:06:39 PM
This week's picks - with a bit of color - I stand with ADAWG

ADRIAN over K-ZOO:  No doubt Hornets can sting, but Dawgs have depth and a 3-0 swagger.  Adrian will control both sides of the ball.

HOPE over ALBION:  The "Game of the Week", potential MIAA champs and angry for a win - dangerous!  Albion has the home field advantage, but lack the returners Hope enjoys from last year's championship team.  Game a slugfest at first, then Hope slowly wears down Britons

OLIVET over WIS. LUTH:  Both teams rebuilding, but Olivet has played a more difficult schedule and will not suffer from the "bus-lag" of WL.

TRI-STATE over ALMA:  (I know, I'm playing favorite, but not really an upset if - let me explain.)  TSU's veteran defense anchored by LBs Pearson & Eby will keep MacGrady and company in check, the Scots may compile yardage, but the bend not break Thunder defense will hold them to a few points.  The key is the Thunder offense.  They have had stellar performances from their "fab three freshmen" RB-Brill, QB-Watt, and WR Curtis, but have never quite had all three cylinders in sync.  If Thunder play selection improves to balance these weapons the result will be an impressive TSU victory.  If not expect a low scoring defensive battle - edge ALMA.

Have a great MIAA Saturday everyone!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 28, 2007, 08:17:26 AM
Adrian over Kazoo - Kazoo has been moving the ball in non conference, but I think that was due to quality of opponents. Adrian too much depth. Adrain is feeling good about themselves right now.

Alma over Tri-State while Tri-State has certainly imporved I still think the Alma Offense will find a way to outscore Them. Tri- State a year away from really making some noise in conference.

Olivet over WLC Everything I see says Olivet is in a Funk with loss of RB and Offense Power Game. That may be but I still say it is enough to take down WLC

Albion in a mild upset over Hope. Albion's defense has improved every week. The key to Albion's success is Offense not committing drive ending penalties and turnovers in the RED ZONE on both side of the field. Hope has a lot returning but the offense looks confused. Booko I think will be back so he could be the difference maker. I say Albion with Homecoming makes a statement.

U of M in a blowout vs. Northwestern. Mallet or Henne, I say play Mallet let Henne get healthy while getting Mallet some more time.

Wisconsin over MSU. I want to go MSU but I have to see them play a better team that has equal talent and not self distruct before I am a true believer. MSU is improving and playing better, lets see what happens when it counts now. I am worried that the big boys from Wisconsin will run the power game right over MSU Dline.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 28, 2007, 09:49:51 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 26, 2007, 11:48:50 AM
Justin Harris, the DT from Alma?

Yessir.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 28, 2007, 12:02:02 PM
Saintsfan:

Last game of my freshman year I had the pleasure of playing against Harris.  Never saw another DT as good in the next three years, he was a monster.  Pretty good goal line fullback as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 28, 2007, 12:05:58 PM
D306:

Good picks I hear you on all of them.  A word on Wisconsin though, they are not the team they appear and have been struggling all year.  Reference the Citadel game and the UNLV game for examples and they also stuggled mightly against Iowa a team that was beaten by Iowa State who was beaten by Northern Iowa.  They are good, but MSU will be the best team theyve faced so far, Id look for MSU to pull the upset in this one.  I dont think Dantonio is going to let this team falter as they had in the past under John L, he gets it and thats a good thing when they get into Big Ten play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 28, 2007, 09:45:11 PM
Dawg

I understand your point.
I annually think Wisconsin is over rated. Typically play no one in Non conference. Lose to Michigan and OSU go to a mid ranked Bowl and beat some WAC or 3-4th place Team from some BCS cponference.
Always makes them look decent but if you watch the games they roll the teams they should and loss the tough ones.

Wish in some ways U of M and MSU would have that fervor on the gams they are supposed to win.

I still have the wait and see attitude on MSU it takes a while to purge the Sloppy play, and loose rules they have been plagued with for too many years now.

I hope you are wrong on the Albion VS Hope game. Really not sure, I have the feeling some game this year the Albion offence will start "clicking" and they will be on a roll. The defense while thin in many positions with lack of back-up talent, is really coming along. A little ball control and cut out the turnovers especially inside the 20 ours and theirs and the defense will really shine. Outside contain, and quick slants are the areas the D needs to improve on.

The Dawgs look to be very confident, and I think that results in aggressive play, I believe momentum is key in college ball. Many a game the team with lesser talent pervails due to momentum and confidence that they can. That is not imply Adrian has lesser talent than otherss in the MIAA just pointing out Confidence is HUGE in college ball.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 29, 2007, 02:03:01 PM
Didn't make it to any games...just laying around the house, but I'm online checking some things out...

Great video feed for the Albion-Hope game....14-14 right now in the 2nd.

Olivet 55, WLC 2 HALF

Adrian 24, Kzoo 7 2nd

UM is down at the half....ikes!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 29, 2007, 05:23:12 PM
Wow, some high scores in the MIAA and some great shows of force.

The Hope vs. Albion game sounds like it was a track meet, lots of offense, lots of scoring and no doubt an exciting game but it seems as if both teams may have some defensive deficiencies that need to be addressed, Silvernail with 254yds receiving seems troublesome for Hope, but Albion allowing two 100+ yard rushers also is a change from the norm. 

Olivet appears to have woken up and took WLC out behind the woodshed for the duration of the first half, showing something not seen in recent years, a balanced offense, 250+ rushing and 250+ passing is not the typical Olivet day, but may prove to be more sustainable down the long haul than the run heavy approach.

Adrian traveled to KZOO and completely shut down a potent offense allwoing only 185 total yards including another dominating game against the run allowing only 28 yards on 23 carries.  The Adrian offense did its part as well putting up 38 points (1 INT for TD by Brandon Mohney) Troy Niblock having a great day on the ground with 160yds rushing and 2TD's, he is the MIAA's Tim Tebow for certain.  Adrian looks very potent and the team to beat, the offense is kicking in and the defense is reviatlized and swarming under new DC Jim Deere.

Alma over TSU, I thought it may happen but I held out hope for TSU's young squad.  A better showing for TSU at least on defense from last year, allowing about 30 less points.  The passing game seems to have faltered for TSU with only 85yds, but all things come in time.  Alma put up a great balanced display that is typical of Coach Cole and Leister and will no doubt be seen around the MIAA for the rest of the season.

Congrats to all the winners, its good to see the league take some shape and begin to show what the teams are capable of!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 29, 2007, 09:05:49 PM
Just got back from Albion game, and a visit to Frat for some dinner and watch MSU self distruct. Boo Thought they might pull it out.

Hope VS Albion was a who has the ball last type of game.
Hope running wild 6-8 yards an attempt. Nothing fancy Booko overthe right side every play a couple cut backs/draws a  few will timed screens.

Albion throwing to Silvernail deep and the DB safety getting burned or an interference all to often.

I saw defensive issues on both teams, while the offenses seemed to be able to move the ball pretty easily considering they both had at least 2 turn overs.

Entertaining game, and both will show well in the league but MUST shore up defense or they will be playing who has the ball last wins all year.

I think Hope ran for well over 200 yards, burning the clock and wearing out the defense of Albion They could not get off the field on 3rd down.
Albion should rotate the Defensive players and use more of the Bench can not continue to be "worn out" in 2nd half of games.

Hope needs to get some DB's a big WR will dominate them all year at this rate. Silvernail just went up and grabbed a few passes right over DB's and safety. I called both the long TD passes as soon as I saw the offense line up and 1 on 1 coverage with Safety over the top is not going to do it.

All in all a great game and never a dull moment. Nice day, good halftime show naming the King and Queen. A hall of Fame ceremony for new inducties. Numerous Alumni present. Many Hope and Albion familys Tailgating together prior to game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on September 29, 2007, 09:25:34 PM
Frustration and Mystery in Angola tonight.

I hate it when the worst case scenario of predictions come true.  As forcasted, the key to a TSU victory would be their offense and the balance of play-makers - RB Izzy Brill, QB Eric Watt, and WR Paul Curtis...well,... they never made it into the game!  Curtis and Brill were dressed and on the sidelines and Watt was missing.  Perhaps injuries, no one seems to know.  The Alma defense was not the strongest the Thunder had faced, but TSU lacked the break-away talent to take advantage of it.  Fourth quarter turnovers eventually sealed it.

The Thunder defense held tough for three quarters, Tri-State actually had the lead most of the game, but the great talent of QB McGrady and RB Ryan finally broke through and wore them down in the fourth. 

Congrats to Alma, no doubt the winners. (great host and super marching band).

Guys, if the Thunder does not recover full strengnth soon, I fear they may only win one more game...perhaps next week.  I was so optimistic.   *#@$#*!!!  Why??? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 29, 2007, 09:59:52 PM
Not being cocky, Hope is very good upfront and Booko is pretty darn good...they will be tough to beat.

Deacon Blue:  I understand and agree.  TSU might improve this year, but also might not have many more wins to show for it, but in the big pic, the improvement is the key. Wins are good, but I'm pretty sure Coach Land is building for next year and the following.  That will be his fourth year.  Alma always will be solid with Cole at the helm.

ADAWG:  Looks like Adrian is still rolling, but we all know it is what you can do against the big five...Olivet, Adrian, Albion, Hope and Alma.  Kzoo does put up great numbers no doubt, but in my years of watching many Kzoo teams, they all have the same traits....pretty good O, decent D, but they never win...when playing Kzoo, it is a win that you need (ask Alma, K has been tough on them), but sometimes is that confidence builder every MIAA team needs.  You know.  Congrats on the win Bulldogs!

All in all,  I think Adrian is starting to get that confidence going, but if I remember right Olivet has had their number.  I think if I can I'll be down at Adrian next Saturday to watch this one.  Olivet might not have a great record, but Dom always gets the crew ready to play under the lights and against Adrian. 

I think Hope is the team to beat, with Adrian a close second.....then again, last year I thought a couple teams were the one's and they ended up fourth and fifth.  That is why we play the games!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on September 29, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
Certainly a great opportunity for Adrian to shine next weekend.  Not only is it homecoming, it's also a night game, which means it will certainly be a great atmosphere for the game.  Olivet also had a chance to gain some confidence this week, letting out some frustration on WLC.  A week from today, we'll find out if either team's abilities are accurately reflected in their record.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 30, 2007, 09:24:50 AM
Keep the faith, Deacon Blue.  Keep the faith.    :)  I still think they are moving in the right direction...just a bump along the way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 30, 2007, 10:36:07 AM
That's right.  Tri-State is in the midst of a turnaround, and it takes time.  They're making progress.  Winless in 2005, 2 wins in 2006, and they already have 2 this year.  They will win more games yet this season.  It doesn't happen overnight, but it is happening, and that's the important thing.  Keep your chin up.  TSU will be making some noise very soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2007, 05:37:14 PM
D306:

I was at the Hope/Albion game as well.  A beautiful day for a game and, for sure, disappointing for Albion and you alumni in losing on Homecoming.  Yet, indeed, it was a great "barnburner" as usual in recent years between these two teams.

Agree with you that it came down to "who had the ball last".  Yet, the key was clearly Hope's offensive line.  For the first time this season (IMO), they put their mind to it to get the job done.  The last two Hope drives saw them just exploding and burying Albion's D line with the latter getting simply very tired, although certainly Hope's players were also.  So I congratulate them.  Of course, Booko, Jones (RB's) and receivers such as VanErden did a great job as well.

I was impressed with Albion's offensive players, very quick and talented as usual.  However, Hope couldn't make the adjustment on two aspects (which we should have easily) 1) the counter off-tackle run that Albion consistently ran for big yardage - outside containment just wasn't there as people caught up inside and if one of our DL or LB stayed "home" that play would have been jammed up and 2) agree with you about the Hope DB play.  I've pointed that out since the beginning of the season.  Taking nothing away from Albion's receivers as they are excellent, however, when you have your DB's consistently getting beat on simple fly, post patterns or veers because they are not watching and/or anticipating the correct situation, it is frustrating.  Hope has given up the long bomb consistently in all of their games and until that is corrected, it is going to be "an Achilles Heel" for us. 

Anyway, at least for Hope, it was a great win; first one @ Albion since 1982, which is hard to believe - an that nemesis of having a tough time playing down there goes all the way back "to my day" ;D.  Still, a fantastic feeling to be there on a gorgeous late September autumn day and feel the tradition of college football being played at an historic field, campus, etc. and a very nice crowd for Albion (full stands with standing room only on Albion's side) although I was a little disappointed that our visitors side was not full.  Despite the loss, I hope your time visiting former Albion classmates was enjoyable.  I saw several people I knew.

It will be interesting to see what happens./   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 30, 2007, 09:39:11 PM
D3DB

Glad you had a good time at the game this weekend.
I agree the game was controlled by the Hope Oline, and the tough running. I swear Albion had no answer for what to me looked to be 3 set plays over the right side of the OLine.

I felt Albion was playing catch -up all day.

Great game, enjoyed the day.
Hate to say it but I think the better team won the game, Albion had a chance, but Hope made the plays in the 4th quarter.

I still say Albion has to rotate more on D. Can not get tired and have someone run like that. Hope controlled the 4th quarter.
Have some LB shooting gaps, Run Blitz, bring in another speed lineman to shoot B Gap, something...

It was nice to see Albions Oline and offense clicking moved the ball pretty well on the ground as well.
#40 Bacarella (spelling?) runs hard and has some speed.

OK I am done with my little whinning good win and good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 01, 2007, 01:20:16 AM
Uncle Rico & miaafbfan:  your encouraging words helped warm the cold morning light.  It was just so frustrating starting off the "real" season with our shiny new offensive weapons missing.  Let's hope we can get them back soon and start to establish the "Big Six" (HOF  ;D)
Reminded me of that reoccuring dream ex-players have:  (you know the one where you're on the field and suddenly realize you're missing a shoe) - ok, Freudians have at it.   ;).

HOPE/ALBION:  Wish this would have been a night game, I would have driven over.  They kept announcing D1 scores during the Alma game ...who cares...I wanted the Hope/Albion score!

OLIVET - Ouch!  WLC must have never seen that truck coming.  :o

.......and ADRIAN just keeps rolling along.  8) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 02, 2007, 01:46:14 PM
Was driving back from a Business trip to Chicago Monday afternoon.

Blew by Albion and pulled into see if the JV game was still going in the rain.
Put on the Monsoon wear in the trunk like any good football fan carries and braved the weather.

What a mud bowl the game was. Great to see the fans some were still in the stands in the 4th quarter when I pulled up. It was something out of the games you played as a kid, raining so hard you could not grip the ball, the football must have weighed 7 pounds. Passing was tough and many exhanges were bobbled. I was wishing I was a kid again, out on the field I always loved these mud bowl games. A testiment to the Young mens resolve to get out there and concentrate in the driving rain.

Game finished 0-0 after regulation and it was getting too dark to play OT.

I credit the coachs for Alma and Albion for hanging in there and working with the JV on a miserable day. Shows you the commitment coachs have for the game, not to just blow this thing off and say they are saving the players and field for another day.
Albion is traveling this weekend so the field will get a chance to recover.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 02, 2007, 03:47:57 PM
I would advise everyone to grab a seat to the Adrian/Olivet game this weekend!  I think it will be one helluva game.  It is the Bulldogs homecoming and OC is coming off of a big win!  It will be exciting I hear that Adrian is expecting upwards of 5000 people at the game.  One thing is for sure it will definitely have league title implications!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 02, 2007, 04:04:38 PM
I'm pretty much physically sick at the thought that I'm going to have to miss this game.  Olivet has had our number in recent years, but if anything can turn it around, it's 5,000+ rowdy Bulldog fans in a homecoming atmosphere on a lovely fall evening. 

In the other games, Albion should be able to get off the mat in a game with WLC, and it will be interesting to see how Tri State fares in a matchup with Kzoo.  I expect the Thunder to respond well.

Hope-Alma will be a similar game to Adrian-Olivet in that it will provide a measuring stick game for both programs.  We already know that Hope is a strong team, but Alma will answer a lot of questions by the way it performs in Holland this weekend.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on October 03, 2007, 07:00:09 PM
It does seem like all eyes will be down at Adrian on Saturday night.  That is why I like the MIAA.  Every weekend seems to have one key match-up and this week is down under the lights at Adrian.  A big crowd is always fun to play in front of, especially a homecoming crowd, which I'm sure will be all filled up (with soft drinks I'm sure!..ha)

I have spent some time breaking this one down on the web the last couple of days.

You have the MIAA's number one scoring O (Adrian, 34 ppg) and the number two scoring O (Olivet, 25 ppg).  The MIAA's number one scoring D (Adrian, 11 ppg) and the number two D (Olivet, 20 ppg).  You also have the two best "statistical" D's in the league.  Something has to give.  Either team has giving up much rushing yards per game.
 
Everything is shaping up to be a dandy!

My edge is going to go to Olivet.  Why?  I think they'll be able to rush the ball and control the clock.  Clasegans seems healthy now and eventhough he doesn't seem to be a flashy runner, he is a runner who is patient.  Adrian's D is always good, so it will be tough.  If Olivet can eliminate the big Adrian play, they'll win.  Adrian has scored six TDs this year from 40 yards out or more. 

I'm working on the trip.  I hope to be in attendance and get my first glimpse of all the "new" facilities Adrian is building.

I look forward to ADAWG and ACRULZ outlook on this one. 

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has seen Olivet in action this year.

The Alma at Hope game will be interesting as well....I don't think Cole will let happen this year, as he did last year.  That 20 point lead over the Dutch I'm sure was drilled in their head this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 04, 2007, 01:07:00 AM
This week's picks - (early season is tough)

(safest) ALBION over WLC:  Brits talent and coaching too much

(safer)  HOPE over ALMA: Dutch offense penetrates Scots defense

(safe)  TRI-STATE over K-ZOO:  Thunder defense will help if offense not 100% yet

(close)  ADRIAN edges OLIVET:  Homecoming helps.  Momentum will ultimately decide
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 04, 2007, 08:48:16 AM
This weeks fearless picks.
I think I have been fairly good this year except for the miss on the Albion upset of Hope last weekend.

Albion over WLC long bus ride or not Albion is starting to round into shape. Need to work on stopping the draw and the cut back after seeing the Hope game.

Hope over Alma. Hope has a powerfull line and quality RB's. Alma needs to put the ball up with quick slants, and a couple double post moves as Db's and safties are still a work in process for Hope.  I just do not think Alma can stop the Hope running attack.

Tri-State over Kazoo.  Tri-State I think is improving and I think this will be a close game. Kazoo can score, but lack of depth I think costs them in the end.

Best game of the week, for League implications. Adrian over Olivet.
Olivet is Jykle and Hyde ( spell check please ) what a points outburst last week and I am not sure Adrian has beat anyone  to get a read on them yet they remain perfect ( Thats not a knock on Adrain just a comment of Fact and begs the question).  I think HC is a big factor and Adrian pulls the close game out. This game should tell us alot about the league race.

Michigan over EMU. U of M looks to be an adventure every weekend. I think U of M can beat any team and lose to any team. If the opponent has a spread offense and a mobile QB I do not care what level they are U of M now has a mental block when it comes to this offfense. Way to many years in a row to let this type of offense eat them up.

MSU over NW  Lets see if MSU stays focussed and puts it too NW like they should.
I am pulling for MSU, even as a U of M fan first.

Lions break the 20 game losing streak in Washigton this weekend. If for no other reason than odds say they must some year. I think they have a offense that can score points on anyone if they pass early and often. I also believe they are mentally tougher than in past years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 04, 2007, 10:19:20 AM
My picks for the week:

Albion over WLC - After last weeks fiasco I will be surprised if WLC wins a game.

Alma over Hope - The Scots get revenge!

TSU over K-Zoo - TSU gets the DUBB!

Adrian over OC - Game of the week...This one may come down to the last second!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 04, 2007, 03:55:03 PM
My Picks:

Albion over WLC

Hope over Alma

TSU over Kzoo

Adrian over Olivet

Michigan over EMU:  If not, work next week will be brutal.

MSU over Northwestern by more than the experts think (I know, that sounded way too much like Lee Corso).  No way Northwestern can get up like they did last week two weeks in a row.

LSU over Florida:  Night game in Tiger Stadium too much for the Gators, who will lose two weeks in a row.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 04, 2007, 04:32:02 PM
October 6 picks:

Olivet over Adrian
Albion over Wisconsin Lutheran
Alma over Hope
Tri-State over Kalamazoo
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 04, 2007, 08:49:12 PM
This week brings Homecoming to Adrian and Tri-State.  Sunny weather is predicted, but could reach 88 degrees I hear (good time to choose those white jerseys).  By Adrian's night game temp should be comfortable.

Is it also Homecoming for Hope or WLC?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 05, 2007, 11:46:34 AM
Picks for the Week:

Albion over WLC
Hope over Alma
Tri State over KZOO
Adrian over Olivet

Notes:

Olivet @ Adrian:

THis game will be a test for both teams at this early point in MIAA play.  Both teams are coming off of decisive victories last week with Olivet rolling WLC and Adrian shutting down KZOO.  Olivet appears to be a more balanced team this year on offense, with a solid running game led by Pat Clasgens and a big strong offensive line as well as having a QB who can make some throws and receivers who are able to make plays.  Adding balance is a new dimension to Olivet as in the past it has been run run run with a lack of a passing game.  Their defense is fast and physical and did a very good job containing Adrian last year.  Adrian has an excellent defense which is keyed upon its speed, the speed has created issues for opponents all year and has created numerous big plays for Adrian, Adrian has a great Dline this season highlighted by two MIAA players of the week who are sure to give Olivet some trouble.  It will be the ultimate test of a power offense running right at a speed defense, but I would place my bets on Jim Deere's defense at Adrian college.  On the offensive side Adrian relies on a spread offense featuring two quarterbacks, both of whom have significant playing time through 4 games this season and both having very different rolls.  Freshman Mike Mcgee has the making of a great QB by the time his career ends at Adrian and Troy Niblock is Adrians only consistent running game and their version of Tim Tebow.  If Adrian can avoid the curse of the past 3 years of folding when a physical team comes out and punches them in the mouth there will be no problems.  I think they will overcome this problem but even so think that Olivet will give them a very close game.  In the end Adrian will prevail but it will be a large test for them and a close game which will thrill the Adrian homecoming crowd.  But hey, thats just my take. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 05, 2007, 01:29:21 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 05, 2007, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: bulldogalum on October 04, 2007, 03:55:03 PM
My Picks:

Quote from: miaafbfan on October 04, 2007, 04:32:02 PM
October 6 picks:
Quote from: DEACONBLUE on October 04, 2007, 01:07:00 AM


(safe)  TRI-STATE over K-ZOO:  Thunder defense will help if offense not 100% yet


Tri-State over Kalamazoo


TSU over Kzoo


Tri State over KZOO
 



Shock the world Kzoo!  Make these so-called experts eat their words!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 05, 2007, 01:46:53 PM
Im flattered as Im sure all others are to be called an expert, its a great day to be an expert!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 06, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
Might not be so shocking Stinger.

I really do not have a good feel for the Hornet defense yet.  I hear they use the old Chicago Bears 46 formation to stuff the run.  As I have mentioned earlier the TSU offense is still struggling to find itself.  At Alma the pass was almost non-existent, and the run could grind but not break away.  If the 46 Def. can stuff the run TSU could be in trouble.

The key I believe would be the K-ZOO running game.  On paper it looks like the Hornets lack a running game, but enjoy a great passing game.  The Thunder defense is tough (turnovers) especially when the can focus on a single-dimensional offense.  If K-ZOO can finally establish a run, your effective QB could open things up like McGrady did last week.

Just my humble thoughts    ;)       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 06, 2007, 11:38:56 AM
i think the hope alma game today will be in a shoot out  today with hope pulling it out i will have to listen to the olivet and adrian game tonight schould be a great game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 07, 2007, 12:43:21 AM
Tough break for Adrian today. Defense played a great game allowing only 7 points, special teams let up a big kick return TD after an Adrian TD drive.  The Olivet defense played well keeping Adrian off sync for much of the game and only allowing 13 points and -1 rushing yards on the day doing a good day stopping the Adrian QB running game.  I have said it numerous times here that the Adrian run game would haunt them in league and it appears to have hurt them saturday.  Tough way for Adrian to lose at the end like that congrats to Olivet.

Hope seems to have laid the wood down on Alma applying a nice pasting anyone have the story on that one?

Congrats to Tri State on the third win of the season, its a big one for a young program and its great to see them headed in the right direction! 

Also a congrats to Albion for getting of the schnide this week and taking home the W against WLC!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on October 07, 2007, 01:22:38 PM
Well what a day.  I made it to Adrian last night.  The old lady gave me a free pass and I left my house about 5 and made it just in time.

A couple of things...

First the atmosphere.  The other schools in the MIAA better look out.  I've never been to the campus of Adrian for quite sometime.  I thought I rolled up to an ACC tailgate.  We had bands playing, RVs, coolers, girls, coolers, grills, coolers, TVs, did I say coolers.  Anyways...unreal...great atmosphere for a DIII.  I understand it was homecoming, but wow!  Nice job to the new president.   Sometimes I feel in the MIAA everyone frowns on that type of fun, but what an exciting thing.  This is college.  So my hats off to the president at AC.

The game.   These two teams are equal and if they played each other 10 times, they eached win five.  Olivet and Adrian have some great defensive players.  Offensively, I'd give the edge to Adrian, but they really rely on the air game.  Olivet held AC to -1 rushing, but when a team doesn't try to run it much, that doesn't mean much to me.  If I read that in a boxscore, I'd be wow, if I wasn't at the game, but since I was...it doesn't impress me too much.  Without going into the game too much, I thought both coaches are probably thinking I wish I would've done that.  Several greedy calls.

Great game to watch...right down to the last minute...nice call ACRULZ.

Great crowd...I'd say 4,000 jammed tight.  I sat on the visitor side hill.  I almost got buzzed off the three coed's sitting right next to me. haa.

After watching these two, they're right in the mix, but Hope is still the team to beat...60 points!  Wow!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 08, 2007, 02:20:43 AM
miaafbfan:  you alone picked them all correct last week!  I believe Olivet suprised us all, even though most predicted a close game (HOF did give Olivet the nod).  I'll be interested in your calls this week.

I believe the most revealing game was Hope's offensive onslaught against Alma.  The Scots were picking up momentum and even though defense was not their stong suit, Hope's 60 points are impressive against a "big 5" rival.  Two weeks into the regular season the Dutch have emerged as the team to beat.

Olivet's close victory over the Dawgs even adds more mystery to the actual strength of both teams, and how they may stack up against Albion who slugged it out with Hope.

TSU benefited by getting their new QB and WR back just in time for the K-Zoo game and it showed, allowing the defense to be strong all four quarters.   Now if we can get our leading RB back in time for the Adrian game, we should be able to give the Dawgs a game.  It's nice to be playing at home, we'll take the Blue-Crew as a 12th player for this one.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 08, 2007, 10:16:12 AM
DeaconBlue:

My son plays for Tri-State and we've been attending all of their games.  Please shoot me an email if you get a chance and fill me in on who your son is, etc...  We'll be at the Adrian game this weekend, tailgating before the game with the other parents/fans behind the visitor bleachers.  It would be good to meet another Thunder parent!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 08, 2007, 02:04:38 PM
My brother and I had a good laugh over Hope's drive chart, neither one of us could believe the score untill we saw it.

29, 44, 84, 28, 33, 53, 43, 29, 41

only 1 drive over 53 yards, and had to go less than half the filed 7 times.  Yikes!

5 Alma turnovers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 08, 2007, 02:10:17 PM
Thats a great way to lose ballgames right there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 09, 2007, 07:59:38 AM
Quote from: HOF on October 07, 2007, 01:22:38 PM
Well what a day.  I made it to Adrian last night.  The old lady gave me a free pass and I left my house about 5 and made it just in time.

A couple of things...

First the atmosphere.  The other schools in the MIAA better look out.  I've never been to the campus of Adrian for quite sometime.  I thought I rolled up to an ACC tailgate.  We had bands playing, RVs, coolers, girls, coolers, grills, coolers, TVs, did I say coolers.  Anyways...unreal...great atmosphere for a DIII.  I understand it was homecoming, but wow!  Nice job to the new president.   Sometimes I feel in the MIAA everyone frowns on that type of fun, but what an exciting thing.  This is college.  So my hats off to the president at AC.

The game.   These two teams are equal and if they played each other 10 times, they eached win five.  Olivet and Adrian have some great defensive players.  Offensively, I'd give the edge to Adrian, but they really rely on the air game.  Olivet held AC to -1 rushing, but when a team doesn't try to run it much, that doesn't mean much to me.  If I read that in a boxscore, I'd be wow, if I wasn't at the game, but since I was...it doesn't impress me too much.  Without going into the game too much, I thought both coaches are probably thinking I wish I would've done that.  Several greedy calls.

Great game to watch...right down to the last minute...nice call ACRULZ.

Great crowd...I'd say 4,000 jammed tight.  I sat on the visitor side hill.  I almost got buzzed off the three coed's sitting right next to me. haa.

After watching these two, they're right in the mix, but Hope is still the team to beat...60 points!  Wow!


Yes the atmosphere was great!  Even after a loss there were people still hanging around consoling the team and yes...still tailgating.  HOF, I agree with your take on both teams.  However, on the last drive when Olivet scored the TD and XPT to go ahead, I know, I'm a bit biased, both of the two pass interference calls were suspect.  Both of them on 4th down as well, I don't think the refs should control a game like that.  But MIAA officials are the worse also (unless you're Hope)!!!  But all-in-all a great game to watch and great efforts by both teams.  I would agree that Hope is the team to beat and I think that Adrian wins out and represents the MIAA in the playoffs!  Good luck to all this week!  Go Dawgs!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 09, 2007, 04:30:16 PM
Sounds like I miss quite a show this weekend down in scenic Lenawee County.  Not many games over the last couple of years have been able to match the games between Adrian and Olivet.  Unfortunately, yet again, the Bulldogs came out on the wrong end of the whole affair.  Congrats to the Comets for surviving the festive homecoming atmosphere and a game against a team that I still think will have a lot to say about the outcome of the MIAA championship race this season. 

Things do not get easier for Adrian this week, however, as a revitalized Tri State team will be sure to provide an adequate adversary down in Angola.  I'd like to believe that Lyall's legions can bounce back and get well on their way into what could be another huge matchup with the Flying Dutchmen, but each week is a challenge, and this is the first week the Bulldogs will have to respond to the emotional letdown of a loss.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 09, 2007, 04:53:03 PM
Alum

Adrian needs to put a bad loss behind them.
You have to win the games you are supposed to win, that means this weekend.
Adrian has a good record going in, must be mentally tough and not lose the season over a defensive breakdown in the last drive to allow OC last minute win.

I would say the Offense needs to put the points up early to alleviate the pressure and get the team to lighten-up and move on.

There is a lot of season left, OC can fall in the coming weeks. Adrian needs to take care of their business and the rest will play out.

I look forward to coming to Adrain to see the new stadium have not seen a game there, after seeing the construction along the way.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2007, 06:04:49 PM
ACRULZ:

We've (Hope) had our share of "botched, questionable, and just outright wrong" calls in recent years, including this one.  While the MIAA refs work hard and are human just like all of the others officials across the country, I will say that their performance in MIAA games for all MIAA teams the past 3-4 years or so have been less than stellar.  Many have had this discussion several times in the past year or so.  Fortunately, it has only cost some of the teams a game or two as far as deciding outcomes (and that's not "sour grapes" at all, but rather the truth).  I agree, one never likes to see the outcome of a game decided on an officials's call.  Anyone in favor of the Instant Reply? ;D ??? (like used experimentally for the DIII championship game and the other NCAA fb bowl and/or championship games??).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 09, 2007, 08:40:23 PM
Also made it to the Adrian game...

Totally agree, Adrian's stadium is insane!!  It's football Disneyland.  Not only is it visually beautiful, but functionally perfect.  Everyone was commenting that the architech was a genius and knew football.  I loved the sharp elevation of the stands, that put one atop of the action.  The end zone pavillion- a perfect touch, not to mention the artistry in landscaping design.  Now add the warm evening and atmosphere HOF & ACRULZ so acurately described - it was a Mackinac Island mid-summer night's dream.  Almost wish we were playing in Adrian this weekend.   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 10, 2007, 01:23:15 PM
Did I just see Adrian and Mackinac Island being compared in the same sentence? :D

...or was that the weather?, which I agree has been stunning.  ;)



Any odds on the wooden shoes finding a new home this weekend?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 10, 2007, 06:14:33 PM
Picks for Saturday, October 13:

Adrian at Tri-State:  Adrian The Thunder keep this one close.
Albion at Olivet:  Olivet  Another close game.
Hope at Kalamazoo:  Hope  The Wooden Shoes stay put convincingly.
Wisconsin Lutheran at Alma:  Alma  The Scots roll.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 10, 2007, 08:54:44 PM
Week 3 of League play things starting to shape up.
Hope looks to be strong and the favorite, somebody needs to pull the upset or Hope takes the crown by a game or 2 as everyone else I believe will have at least 1 loss.

Adrian VS Tri-State Adrians Defense to tough for Tri-State to get the getting over injuries on Tri-State offense to score consistently.

Albion VS Olivet game of the weekend. 2nd big game in a row for Olivet.
I am leaning Albion can Olivet stay focused and perform at a high level to keep Albion off the score board. Olivets offense struggled and hurt itself ( with the help of stout Adrian D) last week to put points on the board.

Hope VS Kazoo. Hope has too much for Kazoo. Depth on the Dline will be sorely tested by the strong running game of Hope

WLC VS Alma  Alma too much offense foir WLC to handle especially after the long trip over.


U of M over Purdue if Mich  has any pass defense this is the game they need to show they have adjusted. I am thinking they pull the win.


MSU VS IU Man MSU is pulling the usual act, I thought they would be mentally tougher with new Coach D. I think they are but I am not sure. I will take MSU since it is at home.

Upset Special Lions do not have any running game and blow a big lead as they can not run down the clock VS the BY week.
Seriously can they get any runnning game at all, or is Kitna going to just keep taking a beating as every team just floods the backfield with no fear of a Lions running game.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2007, 10:51:58 PM
My picks for this weekend:

Adrian @ Tri-State: Adrian Adrian will be on a mission after losing that close one last weekend.  Sorry TSU fans, even though your team is markedly improved this year and this game is at your home field, I think Adrian will come out on top.

Albion @ Olivet:  Olivet Olivet is starting to get in the groove.  However, Albion is still a good team and very capable of an upset; thus, if Olivet is not careful, Albion could spoil this home game for the "Big O".  Yet, I'll go with Olivet since it is at their own stadium.

Hope @ Kalamazoo:  Hope  Agree with the others that Hope is too much for Kazoo and that the Wooden Shoes remain in Holland.
Besides, none of you wouldn't expect me to pick against my alma mater, now would you?? ??? ;D ::) (I couldn't do it anyway!)

Wisc Luth @ Alma: Alma  Like Adrian, Alma will be intent on making a statement and big win after that stinging loss to Hope last weekend.  That, in addition to it being at home in Balhke Statdium and with Alma just being a better team (sorry Wis Luth friends), Alma should win big.

BTW, miaafbfan, sorry about copying your color highlights - it looked good :-X.

I HOPE that the weather is good this weekend.  Yet after that rare but fantastic stint of last weekend and this rainy, cold front now descending, I fear that usual October fall cold weather may be here to stay.  But, the games go on regardless as we all know.  As always, safe travels to all of you this weekend as you go to the games and best of luck to all the teams.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 11, 2007, 12:49:22 AM
Picks for the week:

Adrian @ Tri State: Adrian wins on a rebound from last week.  Adrians defense is to much for a young team like TSU to handle, that is part of the growing pains to build a program.  The offense should get back on track this week, regardless of a commitment to a running game or not, Adrian needs to establish one, it will help to put games away and make a good offense more balanced with more threats.

Albion @ Olivet:  Olivet beats Albion.  Olivet has some very solid defensive players and some very good schemes which were able to frustrate the Adrian offense and negate the running game.  As good as Josh Silvernail is, the Albion attack has always been keyed on the run.

Hope @ Kalamazoo: Hope.  Hope has way to much for kalamazoo to handle.  Kalamazoo will gain some yards and could pose a threat the Hopes secondary with its passing game, however to do so their offensive line will need to keep pressure off Tallman.  Look for Hope to run the ball all over Kzoo this weekend.

WLC @ Alma: Alma rebounds from their blowout loss to Hope last weekend.  Some very talented youth will get a chance to shine and build some confidence for Alma this week.  WLC is in for a long rough season the way I see it.

Its nice to see some fall weather return to Michigan.  Last saturday was a great fall day ruined by over 80 degree weather one of those days that we will never get back.  Im all for this 50-60 degree weather, thats football, not the heat we have seen.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 11, 2007, 01:46:25 AM
"Saturday in the Parks"

(safest pick) HOPE over K-ZOO:  The Hornet defense sustained many injuries that they could not afford last weekend.  Meeting Hope is like putting salt on a wound.  The Hornets do not lack guts, but tell me when it's over...I can't look.

(safe pick) ALMA over WLC:  Scot-gun offense at home will be firing magnums (lots of points).  WLC will be able to score, but hard to keep up when time of possession is low.

("extremely difficult to admit" pick)  ADRIAN over TRI-STATE: I've heard TSU will be missing their top two RB's Brill & Hickock which could prove costly if the Dawg defense is as strong as they look on stat sheets.  Thunder defense is strong, but needs the offense to relieve them.  Watt is a good QB, but will require rushing production to keep the pressure off.  Do not believe Adrian defense is as powerful as Franklin was, but they appear to be the strongest we've faced since. (this is just the pragmatist talking, not the Thunder fan inside who knows a football isn't round and has been known to bounce in unexpected directions...Go Thunder prove me wrong!)

(tough-"game of the week" pick) ALBION edges OLIVET:  Short trip for the Brits, so home field not a big factor.  Hard to compare these two teams yet.  Believe that both teams will produce multiple scores - the difference maker will be Coach Rundle.       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 11, 2007, 06:33:56 PM
Here's a couple tidbits from the world famous Holland Sentinel

HOPE's COACHING STABILITY
http://hollandsentinel.com/stories/101107/localsports_20071011057.shtml


FOOTBALL MILESTONE
http://hollandsentinel.com/stories/101107/localsports_20071011051.shtml
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on October 12, 2007, 12:16:30 PM
My picks....

side note...while doing some research on the pics for this week I look at all the MIAA schools websites....anyways...Adrian appears to be headed to DI with their new CSTV website.  Nice touch.  Check it out.

On to the pics....

Adrian over TSU:  Adrian has had the Thunders number in the last couple years.  This year is no different.  AC 42, TSU 7.

Hope over Kzoo:  Hope just keeps running and running and running and running.  If Adrian posted some running numbers on Kzoo....watch out for the Dutch...I'm looking for Booko to have 200 and 4 TDs.  Hope 48, Kzoo 7.

Albion over Olivet:  I like Albion.  They're young, but Rundle gets the boys back on the bus.  Olivet has the Adrian hangover.  Albion 28, Olivet 17.

Wisc. Lutherand over Alma:  What did I just say.  WLC has had some success if I remember right over the Scots.  No D in this one.  WLC 38, Alma 35.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 12, 2007, 02:01:03 PM
My picks...

Adrian @ TSU:  Adrian in a close one

Albion @ Olivet:  The comet defense will be too much for the Brits

Hope @ K-Zoo:  Sorry K-Zoo fans...the wooden shoes stay at Hope yet again

WLC @ Alma:  Scots Win!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 12, 2007, 09:03:26 PM
LETITRAIN:  Sorry for the delayed reponse, your post was the last on a previous page and I missed it completely.  Unfortunately due to an occupational hazzard I am presenting at a conference at the University of Western Ontario in London (Canada) this weekend.  I'll be returning to Angola around 4PM if connections play-out.  If I make it before the crowd leaves,  I will check-out the tailgate area, I'll be the one with an umbrella calling out "Let it rain".

Good luck to everyone this weekend, as always I will be looking foward to your post-game assessments when I return.  Forcasts call for a crisp autumn afternoon.  Can't wait to get - Back in the MIAA!     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 13, 2007, 04:56:34 PM
****UPSET ALERT****

TSU 23
Adrian 20

Tri State kicks the game winning field goal in overtime after stopping Adrian on the first possesion.  Shocking upset for me to see, I listened to the better part of the second half and the overtime via TSU's website.  Tri State played a good game from the way it sounds, Adrian's 5 INT's cant have helped the cause.  Congratulations to Tri State, Coach Land and his staff, that program is headed in the right direction.  I will be anxious to see the final boxscore for this weeks game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 13, 2007, 05:51:29 PM
what happened to  the dogs today next week schould be a good game vs hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 13, 2007, 06:45:16 PM
Wow

I did not see TSU winning over Adrain

Is the 5 intereceptions comment right, man tough day for QB

Congrats to Olivet, dominating Defense won the game vs. albion.
Olivet held field position all day.
The 2 big runs by Olivet really accounted for the offense as Albion defense played well, battled poor field poition and being on the field to long/ to often.

Lousy refs at the game, lost control of the game in 4th quarter strted looking to call things that did not need to be called.

Hope VS Olivet really will be a great game, my quick observation as seeing boith play Albion.
Olivet has the better defense and is extremely quick and aggressive defense calls take advantage of this speed.
Hope has a superior offense,  pass defense needs work but Olivet does not pass that well. this will be a very good game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gohope on October 13, 2007, 08:28:21 PM
Congrats to Hope College on their 400th win today in football!

Go Hope!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 13, 2007, 09:01:43 PM
At least Hope had to go more than 50 yards a few times this week, still the drive chart is full of short ones.

37, 70, 74, 79, 66, 40, 40, 8 and 50.  But to Hope's credit their 4 long drives came during the meat of the game when it was still in doubt at least score wise.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 13, 2007, 09:32:38 PM
The 5 Int comment is right, 4 from one QB, one of them going back for a TD.  Adrians defense wasnt helped with TSU having six possessions starting inside the Adrian 44 yard line that makes for a tough day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on October 13, 2007, 11:08:20 PM
Wow...great win for TSU...you fooled me.  No disrespect for your win, but same old Adrian to me.  Win four in a row against week comp and get beat by average MIAA talent.  Once again, this is why we play the games.  Congrats to Matt Land.  I was wrong and I admit it.  I didn't think you guys had the level to win this year, but remember....after all is said and done Adrian and Kzoo could be down in the bottom, but that does mean TSU ain't down in the bottom.

Hope rolls...no biggie...this was expected.

WLC plays Alma tough....must be getting better...Dennis Miller is a great coach...this shows in the scores...no wins, but better results....

Olivet stomps Albion...wow!  Dom has the Vets going.  All kinds of haters, but Dom does win in the MIAA.  His tough preseason schedule pays off. 

Go Kentucky!....basketball schools winning now...hell go Oregon St....wow....the world is crumbling right before my eyes...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 14, 2007, 01:02:05 AM
Everyone knew the Thunder Defense was great, but worried they would wear if kept on the field too long due to the reputation of the Adrian D.  Well, they solved that problem by grabbing 5 INT breaks and giving their offense short field opportunities.  TSU triumphs in the "battle of the defenses", and takes the Black & Blue Border Brawl Trophy for the first time!  8)

Hope and Alma wins were pretty much as predicted.

Olivet's margin of victory over Albion, though, was suprising and could be revealing.  Perhaps Albion is not as strong this season.  This could help account for Hope's offensive output, playing the defenses of K-zoo, Alma, and Albion so far this season.  It appears, on paper,  Tri-State, Olivet, and Adrian have the strongest defenses.  Adrian/Olivet and Adrian/Tri-State have been close defensive battles determined in the last minutes.  Of these three whoever can strengthen their offense, could be the team to pose a challenge to Hope's current surge.   :-\   

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 14, 2007, 11:15:12 AM
Deacon Blue - I didn't see your post until today so I wasn't looking for anyone carrying an umbrella in the tailgate area after the game.  We always arrive early and stay late, so you can count on us being there at the next home game as well as tailgating at Olivet next weekend.

As far as the game goes, I was very impressed with how our defense performed.  They've been good all season, but in this game they just seemed to really step it up, put it all together and carry it thru the entire game.  It was incredible and exciting to watch.  So many players contributed to the success yesterday both offensively and defensively.  All of the players are stepping up, and the depth shows.  Coach Land and his fellow coaches are certainly on the right track - they have our total support!

We actually brought two football recruits (and their parents) from our local high school to the game with us yesterday, and both boys left with that gleam in their eye - the gleam that says they want to be a part of the THUNDER!  Coach Land and his staff rolled out the red carpet for these boys (as they did for us when our son was a recruit) and made them feel like they were part of the team already.  They were incredibly generous with their time despite the fact that they were coaching a big game yesterday.  The boys were invited to stand on the sidelines with the team during the game, which turned out to be a really great experience for them (especially in light of how the game went!).  I really can't say enough great thing about the Tri-State football coaches.  They are in a league all by themselves.

As far as the team goes, I've said it before and I still believe it - this is a team on the edge of something great, and I'm thrilled that my son is going to be part of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2007, 07:51:32 PM
Wow, I, too, was wrong about Tri-State.  Congrats to them on a great win.  As always, the league race is shaping up and pointing towards a couple of teams.  However, that being said, even though Hope is considered the frontrunner by many, they will still have to stay focused with regard to the upcoming games against Adrian, Tri-State and Olivet.  All three of those teams are capable of upending Hope if we are not careful.  Playing at Adrian next weekend will be a tough assignment and if they get by there, despite playing at home against Tri-State and Olivet, they are still not "out of the woods yet".  Of course, that also depends on how Olivet and Tri-State do in the next couple of weeks. 

Like many of you as well, I was surprised by the Olivet/Albion game, although I did pick Olivet.  Quite an accomplishment since the 1975 season as has been mentioned; yet that rather intense rivalry believe it or not dates all the way back to 1884.

Anyway, I will be at the Hope/Adrian game next weekend so perhaps might see some of you Adrian fans there.  I HOPE the weather remains nice.  I also HOPE all of you have a good week.  See you on the boards later.

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 16, 2007, 03:20:07 PM
d3db:

Hope you enjoy your first trip to the friendly confines of the new stadium.  Sorry to say I'll be back home for a wedding, but I trust that it will be a battle down there.  It would be nice of Adrian could do the rest of the league a favor and knock off the mighty Dutchmen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2007, 09:19:34 PM
bulldogalum:

I am "bummed" that you will not be able to attend the game, however, indeed, understand about needing to attend the wedding.  It would have been great to grab a burger/beverage after the game with you and colleagues.  BTW, I saw your brother at the Albion game and we had a nice visit to update each other on what has transpired with our families for the  few minutes we had to chat.  As far as this week, I'll obviously be HOPEing that your Adrian team continues in their way of previous performance the past two weeks in the game against us this Saturday ;D ::).  Also, this will actually be my second trip to the stadium as I was there earlier this year for the Hope/Adrian lacrosse game - very nice facility.  Anyway, hope all is well with you and talk to you again in the not too distant future.  The MIAA fb race will be interesting to see what pans out in the next 2-3 weeks - obviously and most likely we'll know who gets the AQ by then.  Take care.
   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2007, 09:21:04 PM
Okay, DAWG and ACRULZ - if you guys are at the game on Sat, you'd better look me up! ;)  Anyway, let's pray for good weather and a great game (with Adrian the loser of course!! ;D ::) :P).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 16, 2007, 10:26:02 PM
Something's gotta give--I'm not sure if I can handle another really close loss.  If Adrian is to buck this trend, they may as well do it with a win!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 17, 2007, 02:44:32 AM
Some BIG pieces of the MIAA puzzle should come together this weekend.  Every game as mysterious as the weather, which could also become the X-factor in the unraveling dramas this Saturday.

1)  Hope proven premier MIAA team with a power offense unmatched so far this season enters (with a swagger) the unfriendly Dawghouse.  Adrian waits, still stinging from the anger of two final seconds losses both defensive slugfests.  Angered further by the fact that they could have easily had the respect of being 6-0 facing Hope, if not for the mistakes.  IMPLICATIONS:  For Hope this is the first time they will be confronting one of the elite defenses in the MIAA, if they are able to move the ball effectively...question answered...they will be the MIAA Champion.  For Adrian their 2007 season hinges on the outcome.  They HAVE to beat Hope at home to regain respect, meet their own high expectations, and mathamatically have a shot at the crown.  This is the battle of Midway.

2)  Is there life after Hope?  How strong is Olivet?  Is Tri-State a gathering storm or just distant thunder?  Well, TSU travels to Olivet and crucial questions should be answered.  Both teams beat Adrian in close defensive battles.  It may come down to a game of offensive chemistry.  IMPLICATIONS:  If Olivet wins they set the stage for an MIAA championship game with Hope.  If TSU wins but especially if Hope loses too...the MIAA is really up for grabs.

3)  Is Albion as weak as their record and is Alma as strong as their record?  These questions will be settled on the gridiron alongside the Kalamazoo River.  It should be an offensive firestorm, and when the smoke settles a clearer picture of the MIAA should be exposed.  IMPLICATIONS:  Albion, like Adrian, needs this game to salvage the season.  A must win before a home crowd, nothing will be spared.  For Alma, they are positioned well for a possible MIAA bid depending on the destiny of others.  In order to keep their hopes (no pun) alive they must win out.

4)  This hasn't been the most productive season for K-Zoo and WLC, but this is the match-up both have been awaiting as the opportunity to move ahead.  From an outsider's point of view it becomes an interesting match-up.  IMPLICATIONS:  For WLC this is their last season in the MIAA, and one they would like to leave a positive mark before the home crowd.  They have been experiencing greater production as the season has unfolded.  For the Hornets, it has been frustrating to have talent, but not the depth.  For both teams a win is paramount to the alternative of a possible winless season.               

Looking forward to everyone's predictions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 17, 2007, 03:14:18 PM
DeaconBlue

+karma for an excellent summation.  You made me wish I could watch every one of the games this weekend.  Sadly, I'll have to settle for listening to a few via the internet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on October 17, 2007, 03:45:22 PM
The Dutch facing a good defense in the MIAA maybe this week.  They have faced a decent defense this year in the nonconference.  That may help them and give them the edge they need to continue to win in the MIAA :)


Go Dutch good luck in the MIAA. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 18, 2007, 01:07:06 AM
Flying Dutch Fan:

Thank you.  Luckily I will be making the trek up I-69 to Olivet.  Don't know wether to bring a winter coat, rain coat, or sunscreen - the weather map shows fronts coming in from all directions.  I too wish I could witness all these pivotal games.  It's too bad that in this age of cell phones the MIAA stadiums don't organize a network to update each other on the progress of games.  It's always exciting to hear the rare update of a MIAA score from the game or radio announcer.

I'm starting to see Hope being mentioned on other North Region boards in early playoff talk.  I imagine it's got to be an time exciting for Dutch fans.  Can't wait for the trip to Holland, I'm a Great Lakes fanatic and just being near the big water is food for the soul.   8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2007, 04:10:30 PM
Quote from: DEACONBLUE on October 18, 2007, 01:07:06 AM
It's too bad that in this age of cell phones the MIAA stadiums don't organize a network to update each other on the progress of games.  It's always exciting to hear the rare update of a MIAA score from the game or radio announcer.

Shoot -- if the schools all used our scoreboard they could simply read off the Web.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 18, 2007, 04:11:37 PM
Picks for Saturday, October 20:

Hope at Adrian:  Hope  The vast difference in pre-conference schedule strength shows in this one.  Hope rolls.
Alma at Albion:  Albion  Alma struggled a bit with WLC last week.  That doesn't bode well on the road at Albion.
Kalamazoo at Wisconsin Lutheran:  WLC  This one is close, but home field advantage makes the difference.
Tri-State at Olivet:  Olivet  Everybody is talking about Hope.  Don't overlook the Comets.

Good luck to all MIAA'ers this weekend.  I hope I am wrong about a couple of these games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 18, 2007, 04:45:54 PM
Alright, I've got to respond to this whole vast difference in preconference schedule business, knowing full well that because I do, I'll probably stick my foot in my mouth on Saturday.  A couple of comments have been made on here about Adrian being "the same old Adrian" and knocking the schedule of the team.  I think the latter is fair--perhaps they could schedule better opponents, but there are arguments that have been made the mitigate the scheduling deficiencies--but I don't care much for the former claim.

This is not the same old Adrian.  When I got to school there in the fall of 2001, the football team was a losing team, and had struggled mightily for a few years.  Starting around that time, in large part due to the hard work of guys like ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE, the program was transformed into a winning program, and a program was was consistently competitive in the league.  To suggest that this year's team is the "same old Adrian" requires a person to engage in a bit of definition.  Just how old is old, really?

And as far as the vast differences in scheduling are concerned, I really don't buy that argument this far into the season.  Even if Adrian played a vastly inferior nonconference schedule, they've played two tough games against good teams the last two weeks.  That, if nothing else should help get them up to speed.  And let's not forget, one of those games was against a team that everyone here would agree played a strong nonconference schedule.  Sure, Adrian lost taht one, but it was by one thin point.  They've lost the last two weeks by a total of 4 points.  That does not smack of a team that is underprepared through weak nonconference competition (unless you're going to argue that Adrian has considerably better talent than the teams they lost to, a point which I would not willingly concede), but instead of a team that is competitive in games, and who for any number of reasons (including, at times, self injury and poor fortune) has wound up on the wrong end of a couple of really good games.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 18, 2007, 05:24:06 PM
miaafbfan:

2005 Adrian started 4-0 before losing a 13-10 game to Alma without its starting QB for the second half and then lost to Hope two weeks later and were the only team to knock off MIAA champ Albion(6-1) that season.  Not exactly the collapse that is portrayed here.

2003 Adrian started 5-0 before losing to MIAA champ Hope(5-1) and didnt lose again until the last week of the season against a solid KZOO squad.

2002 Adrian starts the season 5-1 before losing to Olivet and then losing to MIAA champ Alma(6-0) two weeks later. 

The two other years in recent past 2004 and 2006 were both dissapointing years in general with plenty of conference and non conference losses.  But recent past is hardly indicative of a team that is unprepared for league play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2007, 07:30:26 PM
My picks for this week:

Hope @ Adrian: Hope  in a close one, even though it is at Adrian's great new stadium.

Alma @ Albion:  Albion as Alma always has a very tough time there.

Kalamazoo @ WLC:  WLC, probably a close one, but agree with miaafan that the home field advantage will be just that for WLC.

Tri-State @ Olivet:  Olivet  My "gut feeling" is that this will be a great and exciting game to see.  While TSU is a vastly improved team and very good, I think Olivet is on "a mission", will be concentrated, it is at their home i.e. that home field advantage again, and they want to make it to Hope for a championship game.  Of course, stranger things have happened, and they dare not be looking past this game, nor TSU past Hope the following weekend and visa versa, as there are 3 Saturdays still to play and anything can happen.  The race for the title is up for grabs but if Hope or Olivet loses, it could be "crazy"!

I join all our other colleagues here in wishing everyone safe travels to the games this weekend.  Today's weather report related it is supposed to be a nice weekend weatherwise (although we've all heard that before from the weatherpeople and...it is October!! ;)




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 18, 2007, 07:57:29 PM
Picks for the Week:

Alma @ Albion: Albion gets back in the win column and makes a push for a respectable record on the season.

Kalamazoo @ WLC: Kalamazoo, WLC has shown improvement over the last several weeks but I'm sticking with the air show that is KZOO.

Tri State @ Olivet: This should be a knock down defensive battle from what I have seen heard and can gather from the stat sheets.  Tri State is a program on the rise and Olivet is a program that has been knocking on the door, when this is done one will be much more established in the MIAA race.  That being said I think the power offense that Olivet runs may prove to much for Tri State to control from a ball control perspective.  I am going to take Olivet in a close one.

Last but not least....

Hope @ Adrian:  This game has huge ramifications for both teams.  Adrian has dropped two games in a row and seems to have fallen out of MIAA title contention.  Hope is as usual on the rise after their tough start against non conference powerhouses.  The Hope offense is in high gear, averaging 53 points per game in league play with the MIAA leading rusher,  2nd leading receiver (yards) leading receiver(TD's) and to this point the most efficient QB in the league.  Their defense isn't as strong as some thought but is always fundamentally sound and comes ready to play, every game could be the game that Rugenstein breaks out.  Adrian seems to be lacking an identity on offense, the run game that has buoyed Adrian for the last 6 years has been pushed to the wayside in place of a pass heavy offense that has been eratic to this point.  There are questions coming into this game with how the Bulldogs will respond and if there will be depthchart changes as well  can Adrian run the ball on Hope or will we see an aireal circus with deep passes that have cause Hope problems so far this season.  The Adrian Defense however is the class of the league, in its first year with Jim Deere at the helm the Adrian defense leads the MIAA in scoring defense, rushing defense, passing defense, total defense, opponents 1st downs, Red Zone defense and opponent 3rd down conversions and is second in the MIAA in sacks.  This will be the Adrian defenses biggest test of the year and the same may go for Hope.  All this being said I look for a game that will be low scoring, Hope should be held well below its 53pt per game average.  Adrian's offense needs to step up and find itself in this game or it could be a long day for the Adrian defense, as the offense has struggled the last two weeks when facing solid defense, as much as it pains me to say it and as much as I'm sure a certain coach will see fit to use this as bulletin board material as he has once already this season I have to follow the numbers and take Hope in a close game with the Adrian defense and home crowd keeping them in it until the end.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on October 18, 2007, 08:39:13 PM
My picks:

Alma at Albion:  I really don't know....a toss up...but I think Alma wins in a close one, with perhaps whoever has the ball last scoring to win.

K @ WLC:  WLC gets on the board and wins.  WLC always seems to be ready in midseason and plays some teams tough.  This week they win, retire Kehl's number and Dennis Miller will dance a dance at the midfield and they will play it on the big screen...just joking.  I've never seen this scoreboard, but heard it is something.

TSU @ Olivet:  The Comets keep winning and keep the MIAA wondering how good they really are...I think they are good!  Just like it says on the front page about Franklin...run the table, but beware of knocking in the eight ball.

Hope @ Adrian:  In talking with my Hope friends, they say it shall be an exciting venue down at Adrian.  Having hockey open up this weekend on campus, the Stanley Cup on campus and oh yeah...a pretty big football game.  You are actually telling me they put this stuff in the lockerroom?  I might call you a legend if you can make the lockerroom.  I could see Lee Lamberts getting in lockerrooms, but us?  I don't know Jim Deere, but his Defense looks good.  Tough for you to bet against your former team...ouch!  Anyways....I take Hope too...but I don't think AC can slow them down...35-10.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2007, 09:05:32 PM
I do not know the teams as well as many of you, but I have seen Tri-State a few times now, and their defense really can turn it on.  They have a SOLID linebacking core.  IF they cut down on the turnovers, their offense is a lot more potent than people realize as well, especially the passing game.  I would not be at all suprised if they take one from Olivet this Saturday. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 18, 2007, 10:59:57 PM
Im going out on a limb here and saying that the Adrian defense holds Hope to right around 14 I think they are that good and can do that well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 18, 2007, 11:12:49 PM
My thoughts..."The term UPSET cannot be applied to this week".  I would agree there are "favored" teams, but a reversal would not suprise me in the least.  Reviewing stats and head to head competition just reminds me that there are still important pieces missing that need this weekend to answer.  So guys, forgive me, but I'm taking a less committed stance on Saturday's predictions.

Favored team HOPE (record/OF-stats) BUT ADRIAN can easily win this posessing a stronger DEF, home field, and the emotional edge MOJO if controled.  I agree with  ADAWG's assessment that the Adrian offense is crucial to a victory.  Hope's defense is hard to evaluate yet.  After playing the Olivet D and TSU D, the Dawgs "could" be pleasantly suprised.  My own humble suggestion to the Adrian offense would be to find more ways to keep both Niblock and McGee on the field at the same time.

Favored team OLIVET (record/home) BUT TSU can easily win this using their powerful DEF to stuff the Comets just as Adrian had done.  Remember the DAWGS had a KO-TD scored against them.  The Thunder wildcard is special teams - best KO coverage and FG kicker, in a defensive battle these become aces - ask Adrian.  The question here again is the TSU offense which has been mediocre in conference play so far.  But hold on...the Blue offense finally looks to be 100% healthy now, and I have a suspision Coach Land has something up his sleeve for this one.

Favored team WLC (home/stats) BUT the HORNET'S AirZoo offense and their individual defensive stand-outs, while stuggling against the MIAA's finest, could finally gain traction against a less formidable opponent.

Favored team ALMA (record) BUT mid-season records can be deceptive.  ALBION can easily win.  Brits look almost stronger on paper and will be playing before a home crowd.  One thing is for certain...lots of points.               

Pat: 
You're right.  The D3 Web Scoreboard would take a lot less coordination.  Perhaps some MIAA announcers that monitor this page will take advantage of the idea.       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on October 19, 2007, 12:03:49 AM
If Adrian holds Hope to 14 points I'd be very surprised.  I've been wrong before and I'm going to be wrong again.  But it is fun just to go out on a limb.  Is this limb cracking right now...???

Not saying the D at AC isn't that good, but I just think Hope's Oline is much better than the Dline at Adrian.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen both these teams and I see a much better Oline at Hope and a much better offense at Hope.   With all the talk down at Adrian, if they lose three in a row...are the jobs safe?  I've heard rumors around the league about the coaches down at Adrian.  I'd hate to see that happen in the MIAA.  I just don't think the "hot seat" should be here at DIII, when you get kids that come to school for football and academics and not on athletic scholarships....you know.

Olivet is somebody I really like.  I like that D they put on the field.  I thing they have the best D in the league.  Great players at the OC, but their O is questionable, but if they don't get greedy, they'll be alright. 

My question is this...if Rundle loses a couple more is he done at Albion?  Any other coaches on the hot seat?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 19, 2007, 12:15:18 AM
Things are getting a little more defined in the MIAA.

Hope and Olivet have stepped up to show they are the leaders in the MIAA.

TSU is playing tougher than expected and continuing the rapid rise in the Conference.

Albion and Alma are struggling with young teams and lack of consistency.

Kazoo looks to have awide open offense but lack of D and depth are hurting them.

WLC has been improving I think the change in leagues will help. Not as many long trips for games, more local compeition and more instate recruits to follow.

Almm at Albion both teams under performing in my mind, youth in starting line-ups and key positions is evident. I will go with Albion in a high scoring game.

Kazoo at WLC I will take Kazoo I like the offense to outscore WLC.

TSU at Olivet 2 tough defenses, I think Olivet has the best defense in the league and it will show in a low scoring game. Olivet is confident and will not let this game get away with the chance to win the league this year.

Hope at Adrian  Adrians defense has been tough and the game is at home for the Dawgs. I just do not see Adrian putting enough points on the board or holding Hope down low enough for the win.

The Hope / Olivet game will be a contrast in styles in a couple weeks.
Will Hopes offense still be able to run on Olivets fast and aggressive D?
Olivet is not a passing team and that is were Hope is vunerable.
olivet pounds out the yards and plays field position.
This will be the game of the year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 19, 2007, 12:22:52 AM
HOF

I never gave any thought to Rundle being in any trouble at Albion.

I do not think they have the talent this year, very young in key positions.
Lost too much on defense with both starting LB whom should be Seniors out this year. If you look at the defensive lapses it is power runs and out side cut backs.
LB play with experience would address this issue. I would like to see more rotation on the Dline of fresh players and also a little more bringing the LB on Blitzs or run blitz to support. Some atheletes in secondary though young bode well for the next couple years. same story on Dline very young but some good atheletes that will mature with the amount of time they are getting as under classmen.

The offense can not maintain a drive. I do some times question the calls but that is the fan in us. Too many breakdowns in assignments on Oline for me.
I would like to see some passes in the flats or crossing patterns everything is deep in the passing game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 19, 2007, 12:46:39 AM
Will toss my picks in here even though I have been off the board for a couple weeks.

Hope @ Adrian - Hope is scoring lots o points. Hope wins. This will be a very good game and if I could afford the gas would travel to see this one.
Alma @ Albion - Tough pick for evenly matched teams. Home crowd gets the win.
Kazoo @ WLC - Gotta win one for the home crowd.
TSU @ Olivet - Is the stat correct? Olivet only 21 points against? Sorry TSU, looks like you are up against a shut down D. If TSU pulls out the W, I would not concider it an upset.

By the way - the scoreboard at WLC is awesome. Third largest in WI to the Packers and the Badgers. Cannot wait until they get the whole stadium area finished.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 19, 2007, 09:05:29 AM
Completely off topic but has been discussed before on site.

Is it me or does it seem that Scholarships and Grants are less and harder to get than in the past?

The GPA inflation I see is huge, especially when you look at the ACT writing results compared to the schools teaching the ACT test so schools the district looks good on MEAP.

Obviously I am in the College search game again for a Senior this year.

MIAA is looking better all the time, after reviewing educational value vs. cost in State Schools and out of state National Universities.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2007, 09:47:11 AM
DeaconBlue:
I agree with you regarding the term "upset" not applying to this weekend's MIAA games.  As you say, any of these teams have the capacity to win as no one is displaying "powerhouse" football at this point.  I would even venture to say that an "upset" wouldn't be in "play" regarding whoever ends up winning the AQ, including if it comes down to the Hope/Olivet game being the contest for the championship.  Of recent, Hope/Olivet games have been tough nosed football games.  But alas...I need to refrain from looking ahead too far. ;)

HOF and D306:
Some general thoughts on yours.  First, I agree with you and DAWG in the following aspects;  Hope's OLIne has been playing tremendously well the last 3 weeks and seems to finally have found their "groove".  However, I also agree that Hope's defense is vulnerable with regard to the passing game.  While their defense has done well of recent, as some of us have noted previously, the secondary has been the "Achilles heel" this season.  If Adrian concentrates on putting up a good passing game, that could be the key.  I still see that game as a close one and while I think Hope will win, it is not going to be easy since it is at Adrian, barring a total Adrian collapse.  From what I hear from "inside" sources, however, I believe that Adrian will be very ready this week. 

As to the topic of DIII being a "hot-seat" for coaches, I agree that at this level it should not be.  However, in recent years, that has not been the case in some instances.  At some of our league schools, there indeed has been some pressure on coaches for performance which has factored into their being retained or not.  As to the Rundle situation, you are/were aware of some of the paramiters of that the last couple of years with regards to the differences of opinion with the former administration regarding direction, philosophy of the program i.e. you recall he was seeking and almost had the DePauw job.  Obviously, I don't know the "inside" details at present, however, it appears that with the change in administration/president coming on the scene, this might/may have improved.  On the other hand, for sure, some Albion alumni would like to see a change made.  After the long powerhouse streak in the '90's under Schmidt, this varying records in years has been a little worrisome to some  as I have heard.  It will be interesting to see what happens at the end of this season, depending on how Albion ends up, although I am not saying or predicting that Rundle will leave.  You guys know more inside info than I at present.

Concerning the "tangential" topic i.e. grants/scholarships, first, I don't think any of us consider it "off-topic" per se, but rather relevant to these boards in the overall "picture".  Anyway, I would agree that these are becoming more difficult to obtain.  Having gone through the process recently as well, I would also say that indeed, the MIAA schools are a bargin compared to other small colleges and universities in surrounding states as they are roughly about $10,000 less than many of those schools (and the academics just as good - if not better in some cases).  Yet, the bottom line is that it comes down to a variety of factors for one's son or daughter in making their decision i.e. the specific academic tract (some out-of-state schools might offer a degree not available at the other schools), distance one wants to be away from home which includes the parents, again, grants and scholarships offered by one school vs. the others, the "feel", structure and layout of the campus including the "atmosphere" presented by the students, faculty, etc. to visiting prosepective students and their families, and, of course, the athletic programs and specific opportunities for the prospective student-athlete including the "#'s" game. 

I'm not telling you guys anything you don't already know with regards to the above aspects and I'm sure that you have some others that I have missed or perhaps not experienced or thought of.  Nonetheless, just thought I would share some general comments in response to the topic which you mentioned.  Again, I feel it is good to share and discuss these other tangential aspects here as it is insightful, helpful to many I'm sure.  Besides, for those of us who have been through this experience in recent years, it brings back a ton of memories! ;) ::) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2007, 09:50:41 AM
I forgot to add/mention one aspect with respect to the grants/scholarships, etc.;  even if these are small in amounts that our sons or daughters might receive from whatever source, every little bit helps for sure!!! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2007, 04:31:49 PM
Okay you guys, it is pretty dead in here while the other boards are "chatting up a storm"! ;)  That means either 1) you guys are working hard at your places of employment on the Friday before TGIF and those guys are "goofing off", or 2) you've said it "all" already about this weekend's MIAA games i.e. nothing left to say but for the players to just "play the games" tomorrow and/or 3) a combination of all the above in #1 and #2! ;D :D ;) ::)

As I said in an earlier post, the weather reports the other day for the weekend said it was going to be nice (like mid-afternoon yesterday a nice breezy sunny/partly cloudy very comfortable October fall day before the tornados and severe thunderstorms hit here in Michigan and Indiana, Chicago and parts south Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, etc.).  However, right now it is cold-er, cloudy, windy and looks like it might rain.  I hope this clears by tomorrow - we'll all have to watch the weather reports on the late news this evening (or check the Weather Channel is better I guess! ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 19, 2007, 07:17:30 PM
NOAA for Adrian, MI says.....

Mostly sunny, with a high near 70. Breezy, with a west wind between 14 and 21 mph, with gusts as high as 29 mph.


Sounds like  a nice day to run the football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2007, 07:59:21 PM
sac:
Thanks, friend, for that good news.  Now, if only our Hope team will cooperate in the same way! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 19, 2007, 08:07:30 PM
Wow, I didn't expect my single sentence about the difference between Hope's and Adrian's pre-conference schedules to get such a reaction.  I stand by my observation.  Hope has had a much tougher pre-conference schedule than Adrian, but don't read more into it than that.  It's not a criticism of this year's Adrian team.  In fact, I hope they do knock off the Dutchmen and make the MIAA race even more interesting.  (Sorry, formerd3db.)  Here's hoping for good weather, and good, clean football tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2007, 10:06:57 PM
miaafan:

No offense taken! :)  Of course, you want Adrian to knock off Hope as you want the best for help for your own team - nothing wrong with that and it is only natural.  At any rate, you need not worry about causing a stir about the scheduling debate.  I have to somewhat disagree with my good friend bulldogalum - he is very correct about Adrian as a team having to be ready and doing so in regards to whomever they play in the non-conference games.  However, one of the aspects that critics have leveled at them is that they indeed have played some "cream-puff" teams for those early games - no way around it, that is a fact.

Now before bulldogalum and DAWG and ACRULZ all blast me for that, allow me to say that my own theory and argument in reverse of that with respect to gaining experience for the eventual NCAA playoffs should one's team win the AQ (putting aside the fact that anyone's team obviously wants to gain good experience and from their non-conference games and be prepared for the soon to follow league games), is that it doesn't seem to be working for my Hope team! ;)  In recent years, Hope has returned to playing tougher non-league opponents (like we did way back in my day when we played some DII teams, and like Alma has periodically for the last couple of decades and sometimes Albion does currently does also) and in theory, that should eventually (make take 3-4 years or so) propel a team to be accustomed to playing upper tier talent and thus translate into success in the playoffs.  However, that has not happened for Hope or any of the MIAA teams that have made the playoffs since Albion's 1994 national championship as we all know.

I am at a loss to explain why this has not been working for Hope.  Still, I can't but believe that in the long run, a team will eventually benefit and become stronger for post-season experience by playing upper level talent in the early non-conference games.  Of course, there are some of our colleagues who believe otherwise and also that such a philosophy/system runs perhaps a higher risk of injuries, confidence/attitude problems, etc. and perhaps they might be right to a degree on some of those aspects.  Anyway, time will tell most likely and I think we could make a judgment then once a team gives such a system an adequate trial of several consecutive years.  That might blow my theory out of the water entirely,; then again, perhaps not and moreover, it just might make things more confusing and unable to make a decision either way! ;D  How's that for a "bunch of mumbo-jumbo" rambling on a topic??!!! ::)  Let me know what your own opinions/theory on this is.  We've discussed this multiple times here on this board (and others have on the other boards as well), however, IMO, it is always an interesting topic and discussion.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 19, 2007, 10:22:18 PM
Weather Channel for Olivet, MI says...
Sunny, gametime temp average 64.  Winds W-SW at 17 mph diminishing later.  Huh... they say threating thunder will be present throughout the afternoon?

SAC:  Your mention of the directional wind gusts and the running game got me thinking.  As long as I've been around the game I've never given this aspect of the game much serious thought:  Is there a legal compass point orientation for a gridiron.  Recently I've noticed fields run north-south (hence the phrase - he's a north-south runner).  I also suppose a N to S field gives no advantage to either team looking into the late sun, or being affected by the westerly prevailing winds.  However, I remember playing on east-west running fields, but they were older stadiums.  Is there a requirement?  I hope I'm not the only one on the planet that does not know this, I've just never given it much thought.

Guys, we all know every game this weekend is a crucial game, and that the finest of men are prepared to play them.   Only 4 can know victory.  Wishing all the opportunity to be "perfect" (ie...Friday Night Lights).  MIAA FOOTBALL - Gotta love it!     

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 19, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
formerd3db,

I read your post about the MIAA.

I have another take about the MIAA and football in D3 in 2007.

Look who was in D3 in 1994...

Not the Northwest Conference.

Not the American Southwest Conference.

Trinity TX had not won a D3 playoff game.

In 1993, Pac Lutheran beat Westminster PA in the NAIA-II championship game.
In 1994, Westminster PA returned the favor 27-7 over PLU.

There was a 16-game playoff (http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/1994.htm).  Look at the distribution of those teams in the playoffs.  No WIAC team is represented.

The whole game of football has changed.  The emphasis in some schools with a more highly visible playoff system has changed.  I think that a different athlete is playing in D3.

Since the playoffs have gone to the Pool system in 1999, the MIAA has not won a post-season game.  I believe that the factors above have something to do with it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 19, 2007, 10:51:26 PM
Deacon Blue,

There is no requirement for the field to run north-south.

Jackson Field, Sul Ross State University in Alpine TX, runs east-west along side the BNSF railroad. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 19, 2007, 10:52:12 PM
Deacon,

Interesting question!  Ypsi HS's football field is N-S, but the soccer field is E-W, and facing the sun can be a HUGE disadvantage since games are nearly always late afternoon/evening.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 20, 2007, 12:00:45 AM
Albion's football field runs E-W, as well as the soccer field. K's football field is a N-W, however Waldo , home to Western Michigan run's E-W. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 20, 2007, 10:20:01 AM
Ralph:

Good to hear from you.  Your points are all valid and I would agree.  Some people here in Michigan have also suggested that an additional reason is the competition in recruiting from the DII schools not only in our state, but the surrounding states including OH (and that includes the NAIA scholarship teams).  Those DII schools have made a big push to upgrade their programs and facilities and as such are getting many of the very talented players who might otherwise in past years gone to DIII schools before the changes overall that you discuss.  However, that still leaves me wondering as to why the MIAA schools then continue to have difficulties as I discussed, because in essence, they are still competing with all the other regional DIII schools for the available talent among those who will go to (and/or choose to go to) the DIII level.  These players are still talented players and allowing that in this situation, opportunities for more h.s. players to participate in collegiate football have been now available because the the changes you describe (and thus, in part, an additional reason why we are seeing the huge increase in rosters well over the 100 mark for many of schools), we all know that even at DIII, it is a step-up from h.s. football i.e. there are still some kids who are very good h.s. football players who are not good enough (or great if one wants to throw that in) for even the DIII level.  Indeed, this is an interesting topic and many factors are involved as you astutly point out.  I supposed we could apply a similar or tangential model to the parity that has occurred at the DI level as well (i.e. examples of Rutgers, Northwestern, Marshall, Univ of South Florida, Applalachian State, etc., etc., to name a few). 

BTW, on a tangential topic, I noticed that Univ of San Diego is undefeated and has some players who will have a very legit shot at the next level (i.e. NFL - in fact, their QB was just selected for the E-W Shrine Bowl game).  While some will again argue that this is still the non-scholarship Pioneer League, some of those schools continue to progress, particularly USD as Harbaugh really improved that program during his tenure before moving on to Stanford (and look what he is doing there!) - USD trounced Yale last year and while that is IVY (also non-scholarship), many of those schools are no slouch teams. 


On the other subject; the city stadium that Hope College uses runs N-S, although sometimes the sun in late afternoon on Saturday still can be a factor for awhile coming from the SW before it sinks behind the hill and built-in stands and pressbox (the stadium is built into a bowl type hill with grass hill seating in the south endzone).   As I recall, Adrian's new stadium, Olivets, and Alma's all run N-S as well, while Tri-State's Shive runs NW-SE I believe (help me out on the latter here Deacon and Uncle Rico! ;)) Not sure on WLC (although as we know, this is their last season in our conference).   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on October 20, 2007, 03:43:42 PM
Good game today at Adrian... Hope D the difference. Solid running from Jones all day, especially after Booko was injured on the ballsy 4th down TD.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 20, 2007, 04:39:04 PM
Alma 30, Albion 22
Wisconsin Lutheran 28, Kalamazoo 26

Hope 24 Adrian 14

(added Hope score)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 20, 2007, 04:45:21 PM
Olivet holds off a late TSU rally...

Olivet 21, TSU 14
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 20, 2007, 04:52:02 PM
Great game by Hope, defensivley they played solid all day and shut down the Adrian offense, two big plays accounted for Adrians scores.  The Hope offense played well especially running the football, the QB was just throwing the ball up for grabs though which didnt help them at all.  Booko played very well and Jones stepped in for him to finish the game.  The Adrian defense came to play yet again, even though the scoreboard says 24 the D really only allowed 17 which is a good showing an Adrian turnover at the 1 accounted for the rest of the score.  Again great win for Hope, congrats to the Dutch and good luck the rest of the way.

Adrian has some real issues on offense that need to be addressed for this season to end on a high note.  Turnovers are killing the offense and putting the defense in bad spots and the run game has been lackluster.  Consistency is key and being able to control the clock and protect the football is something they need to work on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 20, 2007, 05:39:04 PM
a good win for hope today  now 2 straight   home games vs  tri state then olivet 2 big game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 20, 2007, 08:23:07 PM
Arrived back about just before 6 PM from the game.  Agree with the assessments of the Hope/Adrian game today.  Nice day for a game - the wind was slightly annoying in the first hafl, however, died down for the second half.  Very nice stadium and set up; I was disappointed in Adrian's home crowd attendance yet not to be unexpected I guess with the recent two consecutive week losses - hardly anyone in the box seats section, although both end sections filled and scattered students sitting on the hills and the endzone seating section.  I was impressed with Adrian's band - a very nice touch and the announcer is great like Alma's Dick Lee.

Both teams' punters put on a very nice show.  Hope's defense stepped up when it needed; for sure, the two plays they gave up for scores hurt, however, the one was just the right offensive call at the time that Adrian did when Hope sent a blitz and went out of its normal alignment (coaches told me usually in that situation, that scheme is not called for them).  Anyway, indeed, Adrian needs to work on their offense, particuarly their running game.  I did like the fancy "trick" offensive alignments (4-5 receivers for potential double-pass), however, if you are going to use those, then "use them" ;) i.e. set up a series, which they did not.  I was impressed with Adrian's LB corps, very hard hitters, especially the 5'6" Sr.; although many times their defense seemed to be basically "chop blocking" at people's knees rather than just making solid standard technique tackles.

As I predicted, it was a close game, with 17-14 score with about 6 minutes left.  We were lucky and dodged the fumble on the kickoff after Adrian's last score, otherwise, we might have been in trouble.  Manning needs to make some better decisions on either throwing the ball away when receivers covered or just running for the first down.  For awhile, I thought he was going to make All-MIAA selections out of Adrian's db's ;D ;)

So the bottom line is this:  Adrian will have to try and salvage their season; Alma wins at Albion which is surprising as they always have a difficult time winning there "historically", yet they are not a bad team this year - this also essentially (really) confirms to us that Albion is having a very down year; Hope needs to not look past TSU next week so that the MIAA showdown will for sure be the Olivet @ Hope game in two weeks (assuming Olivet stays focused as well next week).

BTW, DAWG, we missed seeing each other.  I was looking for you and had a gift for you - now you will have to send me your "snail mail" address to I can send it to you (send it to me via the personal message board).  I am sorry we didn't get a chance to visit; although can understand if you were swamped seeing many people you know (and also didn't want to talk much after the loss ;) ;D).

Anyway, anyone to fill us in on the details of the other MIAA games today?
Take care everyone and be talking to you further on our board.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 20, 2007, 08:25:21 PM
I forgot to mention that Jones did another great job at RB today as did Booko (especially when the latter tweaked his ankle).  It is indeed fortunate that Hope has two RB's for that "double punch" on offense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 20, 2007, 09:56:39 PM
Deacon and Uncle Rico:

So what's the line on what transpired at Olivet today in your TSU's game there?  Sounds like it was a close one.  Olivet plays @ Alma next week and I suspect that will be tough game for them, especially up there.  Alma is always explosive.

Of course, TSU comes to our place and with your team still tremendously improved despite the loss today, Hope cannot take your guys lightly.  That was proven today at Albion.

Anyway, I will be curious to hear some general details about today's other MIAA games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 20, 2007, 09:59:25 PM
Awesome I see Hope had a 4 play 1 yard drive for a TD today.


Love those yard grinding, time consuming drives. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 21, 2007, 12:47:51 AM
Well, sac, I do too, especially when we needed it.  You should have seen it.  Adrian "stuffed" us 3 plays in a row and we just told the kids to "get mean and jam it in there".  So that's just what Booko did - ran right over the guy - Booko was like a freight train.  As mentioned, we needed to score one like that for once. :)

As far as drives though, Hope's offense came through again in the last minute or two, like they did in the Albion game, in getting first downs to keep the drive going and thus run out the clock to win the game.  To win, a team needs to do drives like that and Hope is now doing that.  I hope it continues - I hate not being able to get first downs at the end of the game for clock possession. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 21, 2007, 12:52:30 AM
Here'e the TSU/Olivet wrap-up & State of the Thunder Address:

As expected both defenses were tough, however Olivet's D was the difference-maker by dancing 2 INTs for TDs from within 30yrds in the first half.  Olivet's only offensive score came from a Pat Clasgen's (really beautiful) 69 yrd run.  Besides the break-away run TSU kept the Comets out of the endzone and shut down their passing game.  This was no small feat, for Clasgens is a very talented and dangerous runner, the best we've seen.

The TSU offense out-scored Olivet, but was still not firing on all cylinders.  Most of our scores this season have been short-field, helped by defensive turnovers or opponents penalties.  TSU runs often, but the run game lacks consistent success.  Usually a 3 yard blast, or a wide sweep that takes 25 yrds  to make 4 yrds.  The Thunder passing game is potentially dangerous, but without sustained rushing the qb is usually put in high pressure pass situations that limits success.       

Here's the skinny on the Thunder:  They are (honestly) at 100% DEF but 50% OFF to be championship material.  The defense, both pass & run, is talented and tough.  Pearson, Eby, Latta, McNalley just to name a few of Thunder stand-outs on defense who rank in the MIAA.  In special teams, Hoover in KO and FG is amazing for D3.  On offense TSU's QB Watt is not only an accurate passer, but has great instincts and has the fortune of an array of sure-handed receivers.  He has been very successful when "must pass situations are kept to a minimum. 

But the running game is keeping TSU back.  The wingbacks (flanked on the line) are quick, especially Langley, but the play design has them running almost a 40 yard dash toward the opposite sideline before they turn it up.  Sometime it works, mostly minimal yardage.  The fullback position (more like a tailback) usually gets the best efficiency (2-5 yards) from tackle to tackle hole.  We had started the all-state freshman Brill there for the first two games of the season.  He had some break-away potential, (in fact he still leads the team in rushing), but apparently he had been injured in the Franklin game and I'm not sure when he will return.  Until then I'm not sure what the Thunder can do, short of restucturing the run offense to better take advantage of the talent they have.

That's about it guys....I think this week proved many things in the MIAA that I'd like to elaborate on later...but one thing I feel for certain now...Hope is the team to beat...if that's possible.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 21, 2007, 09:36:27 AM
WLC 28, Kzoo 26.  :) ;) :D

This one's more satisfying for 3 reasons;  a) it's an in-conference win, b) it was WLC's homecoming, and c) it means when WLC leaves the conference it won't be with the albatross of having to do it riding a long in-conference losing streak (last in-conference win prior to yesterday was a 37-14 win over Tri-State at home in '05). 

(Huge sigh of relief after reading the account of the game from WLC's website.)  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 21, 2007, 03:17:39 PM
WLCALUM:
Congrats on the win.  It must also be exciting looking a bit toward next year, new rivalries, less exhausting travel time, also allowing more fan support at away games.  WLC appears to be getting tougher as the season progresses.  I am looking forward to our final contest at Angola in a couple weeks.  I am going to miss the journey to Wisconsin.  Even though it made for a long trip, we all had a great time with many good memories.

Question to MIAAsters:  Sorry if this has been answered before, but any news for next year without WLC?  Is another team going to replace them, if not will there be a conference bye week for each team? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 21, 2007, 06:29:49 PM
DEACONBLUE:

I would imagine that there will just be a 4th non leauge game picked up as it used to bed, if there was an in league bye the MIAA would return to a 9 game schedule, is that what you are reffering to?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 21, 2007, 07:07:41 PM
DEACONBLUE:

First, thanks for the review on the TSU/Olivet game and the "state of TSU".  Indeed, sounds like it was a very good game to watch (from a spectator's standpoint), but a tough one to lose, if your team is the latter.  Still, I think that next week's game will be a tough one.  I will look forward to meeting you sometime before or after the game (perhaps even at halftime).

Second, as DAWG points out, currently there are no plans for bringing in another MIAA team.  This has been discussed extensively here on our board last year and the year before, but no need for you to apologize for bringing it us as you could not have known this, being a newcomer to the board.  I won't go into all the details regarding the various aspects of this discussion, but rather summarize it to say that none of the other colleges in the state that currently do not have football are willing to start a program.  Hillsdale, which used to be in the MIAA (and was a charter member) is a school of similar size, but they are very comfortable and desirous of staying at the DII level.  Thus, aside from St. Mary's which won''t have fb for obvious reasons, Calvin would be the logical choice, however, for reasons of their own (which I won't go into here), there is no interest in adding football.  Many of us believe that is disappointing because they would have a great recruiting base and can you imagine the Hope/Calvin rivalry that would ensue, along with some other great contests they would have with the other MIAA schools?

Anyway, acquiring and maintaining the AQ was always the original goal and why TSU was desired to be added, particularly with the school's academic and athetic goals and close proximity, once they decided to drop NAIA scholarship football and go DIII.

So DAWG is correct that the 4th game will be a non-conference game (just like it was for years), now that the league has sanctioned 10 season games (with the exception of Kazoo which many times just wants to schedule 9 games for various reasons - a previous discussion on this took place here this year in pre-season as I recall).  Unless one of the other MI state schools like Sienna Heights, Spring Arbor, Acquinas, Cornerstone, or Concordia (or like Bethel in your region) wants to start a program OR perhaps Taylor would switch like your TSU, most likely the MIAA will remain a conference with 7 fb playing schools for quite some time.

DAWG:

Thanks for your message on the private board.  I will reply there also.  Appreciated you sharing your insight and experience from yesterday and in past years.  Again, sorry we didn't meet up - guess we just missed each other not by much.  Agree with you about your LB friend who is a "dynamite" player package!   


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 21, 2007, 10:24:18 PM
D3DB & DAWG:

Thanks for the info.  Let me see if I've got it right:  All teams (except K-ZOO) will play the first 4 games against non-conference teams without a bye week, then once the conference season starts each week one MIAA team will have a bye (no pair being available).  Sound right?

D3DB :  My "better half" and I are thinking of heading to Holland Friday.  Are there any hotels and resturants near the waterfront you might suggest?

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 21, 2007, 10:46:25 PM
The only thing near the waterfront in Holland is sand, rich people and ill-placed powerplant, metal recycling center and a drydock.  Although the drydock gets a pass because,........well you need water to have a dock don't you.  Ooo almost forgot the pickle factory.


Plenty of hotels in Holland.  North of town are closer to shopping eating etc. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 21, 2007, 11:35:21 PM
DEACONBLUE:

You are welcome.  I think that (i.e. the scheduling) sounds about right.  Bye weeks can either help or hinder one's team, depending on the particular year.  ;D

Also, sac is indeed correct.  Nothing out by the waterfront or beaches of Lake Michigan.  The motels are on U.S. 131 going north (toward Muskegon) and just about 3 miles from campus.  Plenty of Holiday Inn Express, Country Inn & Suites, etc., the malls, Wal-Mart, Lowes, Meijer's, and many many restaurants, etc.  Downtown Holland has some very nice restaurants if you want a more elevated atmosphere (also has some very nice shops, although those stores will be closing by early evening after the game when you are ready to get something to eat.)  Some good restaurants are Crazy Horse, Charlie 'O's, the IHOP, Applebees, Logan's, etc.

See you Saturday, but I'm sure we'll be talking more here on the board before then. ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 22, 2007, 12:14:24 AM
Downtown Holland is a wonderful place.  Dont they have heated sidewalks?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 22, 2007, 08:26:44 AM
I help coach a youth football team and had to missed the Tri-State game, but I heard from someone who was at the game that Tri-State outplayed Olivet and coulda - shoulda - woulda won if not for a couple of turnovers deep in their own territory.  The defense only gave up one score.  Still, turnovers are a part of the game...no excuse.  Olivet gets the W. 

It IS encouraging that Tri-State is beating or at least hanging with teams that were expected to be able to roll over them before the start of the season.  They went from being a doormat in the league to a contender and a factor in the conference.   As a new Tri-State fan I have to feel good about where they are heading, AND where they are now. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2007, 08:49:16 AM
DAWG:

The sidewalks are indeed heated in downtown Holland.  If I recall correctly, they were one of the first, if not the first, of their kind in the nation.

Uncle Rico:

Yes, it is good to see TSU (soon to be Trine - I'm still trying to get used to that soon to be name change, no disrespect to the Trine family :)) improve.  It is great for both them and the league overall.  I recall that they had a 10-0 season just a few years ago (in the short history of their program) when they were scholarship NAIA and it wasn't against slouch teams either I believe.  Not sure why the drastic slip from then until now, but it appears they are building a solid base as you and your colleague Deaconblue have been discussing.  I assume you will be at Holland this Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 22, 2007, 09:35:19 AM
Holland Hotels - there's a nice Holiday Inn Express and a nice Hampton Inn side-by-side on Felch Street in Holland.  Both include hot breakfast, I believe.

TSU vs. Olivet - Uncle Rico's source is correct.  TSU outplayed Olivet on Saturday and I think everyone at the game knew it.  Two less picks and it's a different game.  I concede the win to Olivet on the score alone - not on the game itself. 

We'll be tailgating at Hope this weekend, getting fired up for the game!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2007, 06:56:43 PM
LetItRain:

Those are nice motels/hotels, however, there are several youth hockey teams that stay there each weekend, including about now.  It sometimes gets quite noisy and difficult to sleep.  That's one reason why the Country Inn & Suites is an alternative and/or the motel by the Wooden Shoe Factory (near the south Meijer's) i.e. the former Red Roof Inn, or the Regular Holiday Inn.  Just an FYI.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 22, 2007, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 22, 2007, 06:56:43 PM

Those are nice motels/hotels, however, there are several youth hockey teams that stay there each weekend, including about now.  It sometimes gets quite noisy and difficult to sleep


Ha! now lets see where did I learn first hand how rowdy those youth hockey kids can be.............ah yes, Stevens Point, WI.  It is true they are a rowdy bunch.  But after 7 or 8 hours of driving, sleeping is easy.

I had to be in Holland today and was trying to figure out where I'd stay if I were visiting, probably the north side but the old Holiday Inn.......which I believe is now a Doubletree hotel is the nicest and closest to the college.  You could probably call and see if there are rooms at the college's Haworth Inn, right on campus.

It won't help you now but they are building a "boutique" hotel (whatever that is) in downtown Holland.......for future reference.

http://holland.org/sections/20-hotels

quite a few I'd forgotten.


Since I lived there I never had use for this site, but its very helpfull

http://holland.org/


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2007, 10:23:05 PM
sac:

Of course we aren't trying to make this an advertizement for Holland area motels and hopefully Pat won't get upset with us for this line of discussion ;D, but hopefully the info we've discussed will be helpful to visiting teams parents and fans  :)  Not that I doubt your info regarding the Doubletree Inn (formerly Holiday Inn), and not to keep plugging the Country Inn & Suites, but the latter (aside from the college's beautiful Haworth Inn) is extremely nice and caters (or advertizes) for visiting teams supporters and Hope College parents, fans, etc. as well.  It is a great inn, with extremely nice rooms, a nice, comfortable, cozy lobby with TV and great AM Continental breakfast.  It is close to campus (less than 2 minutes), right by restaurants, the malls, etc., and the wonderful Old Dutch Village attraction!! ;D

As for the Haworth, as mentioned, a beautiful inn as well - only problem is that it is almost always booked!  But highly recommend staying there sometime also if anyone gets the chance.  Indeed, right on the beautiful campus and in very short walking distance of downtown shops, restaurants, etc.  Again, sorry for the plugs! ;) :D ;D

Okay, we'll now get back to football talk!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2007, 10:32:51 PM
Sad news as it was just learned over on the OAC board that former Baldwin-Wallace head coach Bob Packard, passed away Saturday of an apparent heart attack at age 64.  For those who might not know his DIII history, he only recently retired as head coach there in 2001, having coached previously there under Lee Tressel, current Ohio State coach Jim Tressel's dad.  A shock for sure; my thoughts and prayers to his family and the BW community.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 22, 2007, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 22, 2007, 10:23:05 PM
  It is close to campus (less than 2 minutes), right by restaurants, the malls, etc., and the wonderful Old Dutch Village attraction!! ;D

Now I've been accused of being a bit of lead foot in the past, but I find this to be truely remarkable drving. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on October 22, 2007, 10:46:17 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 22, 2007, 10:32:51 PM
Sad news as it was just learned over on the OAC board that former Baldwin-Wallace head coach Bob Packard, passed away Saturday of an apparent heart attack at age 64.  For those who might not know his DIII history, he only recently retired as head coach there in 2001, having coached previously there under Lee Tressel, current Ohio State coach Jim Tressel's dad.  A shock for sure; my thoughts and prayers to his family and the BW community.
As a B-W grad, I was deeply saddened to hear the news about Coach Packard. As a SID student asssistant, he was one of my favorite coaches to work with. Not only was he a great coach, but he was also a great person. Before every home game, he was very gracious and knew that I was there to do my job: to check starters, get his signature in a program for the giveaway and find out if he wanted offensive or defensive starters announced at the start of the game.

If you have time, go to http://www.bw.edu/athletics/fb/packard/ (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/fb/packard/), and check out the highlight video from his recognition dinner. With the help of several other people, putting together that video was one of my last assignments at B-W before I moved here to Michigan.

My prayers are with Coach Packard's wife, two children and two grandchildren.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2007, 12:03:08 AM
now sac, the CI&S is less than 1 mile from the exit on Main Street at the US 31 overpass, which is then about 1/2 mile from DeVos at the most! I've made it there in about 2 minutes going the speed limit (with my wife giving me that "Dutch look" - yes, she is Dutch :D! - to make sure I don't have "your" lead foot!), of course, if the traffic is not too heavy. ;D ;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2007, 12:06:50 AM
OC_SID:

Thanks for sharing that with us here.  You were indeed blessed to be able to know Coach Packard and have the kind of experiences you did.  Many of us know exactly what you are talking about as we've experienced the same with our coaches and administrators in college.  While our prayers are obviously with the Packard family as you mention, as I mentioned, mine are also with people like you who knew him as well.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 23, 2007, 01:17:19 AM
D3DB, SAC, LetItRain:  Thanks for the abudance of travel information, I'm armed and ready now.

SAC: I'm still laughing over your description of the waterfront!  While boating on the Great Lakes I've stopped at many ports, but somehow missed Holland.  Many ports (especially on the sunset coast) have been reworked for the tourist economy, and yet others still maintain their traditional industrial economy.  Somehow I pictured the Holland waterfront being the former, imagine my suprise (suitcases in hand) if I wouldn't have asked you guys!   :o

On to Football:  Now that the dust has settled from last weekend, some of those season intangibles have materialized.  Here's one man's attempt to put some pieces together.

Hope's victory over Adrian on the road (24-14) answered some big questions:  1) Hope can score effectively on a MIAA's elite defense.  The Dawgs did bring down their scoring average, but 24 points is an offensive victory.  2)  Both offenses posted 300's in yardage, Hope a balanced pass/run and Adrian heavily favoring the pass.  The balance of Hope's offense is a key to their success, yet their pass defense (as noted by others on the board) is their soft spot.  Had Adrian a more effective run game (as noted also on the board) this relatively close game could have gone the other way.  Significance:  Hope should run the table in the MIAA.  TSU and Olivet have comparable defenses to Adrian, yet both would have to find a way to score over 24 points to keep in the game.  This could be difficult especially when both teams have not found great success passing which is Hope's only vulnerability.

Olivet's victory over Tri-State (21-14), was like TSU's victory over Adrian, it was a defensive battle with interceptions declaring the winner.  It was the lowest yardage total of the weekend with each team near 250.  The difference was Olivet's 222 yrds rushing to 77 for TSU, and TSU's 156 yrds passing to Olivet's 53.  Significance: Olivet, Tri-State, and Adrian, all three with the top MIAA defenses and more unbalanced offenses, are technically equal teams...any given Saturday.  To upset Hope, the Olivet and TSU offenses will need the help of defensive TDs and short fields to keep up with Hope's point production.

Alma's victory over Albion on the road (30-22) was very revealing.  Both offenses as expected putting up 300 balanced yards.  The difference could be the Alma defense, that appears to be getting stronger.  Significance:  Alma's offense undeniably elite in the MIAA next to Hope, if their defense has improved...they could be hier to the throne.  Albion on the other hand could be vulnerable to a possible upset on the Hornet's home field this week.

WLC victory over K-Zoo (28-26) was the greatest offensive explosion of the weekend with each team producing 400 yards offense.  Where WLC balanced their pass/run attack, the Hornet's passed for 391 yards and only 4 yrds rushing.  Significance:  Both defenses are suspect, especially WLC pass defense.  WLC offense does benefit from a more balanced attack, and this could have been the difference between these closely matched teams.

Power Poll RANK: Hope-Alma-Olivet-TSU-Adrian-Albion-WLC-KZOO   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 23, 2007, 09:19:56 AM
Fiirst off.

Holland great area, tons to do.
Make a weekend out of it.
Downtown, couple of the tourist sites, head up to Grand Haven 30 minutes north. Great Beachs and nice boardwalk.
Son almost was playing for them, looking at the run recently at least from a football stand-up would have been a good choice LOL.

On to the games

Tri-State proves what belief in yourself can do, good coaching great energy.
Nice to see team becoming a force. Great for the league.

Alma young, improving defense active offense. Still question those incrediably wide "spreads" on offensive line.

Albion is a disappointment, this year. Young defense can not get off the field to many big plays allowed. When DB's and Safety are among leading tacklers something is amiss.
Offense can not sustain drives, hit a couple big passes, and some tough running, but line play is not there.

Hope and Olivet will be the game. battle of styles.
Offense vs. defense.

Olivet has the best D in league, fast aggressive and a lot of athletes.
Hope has the best Offense, great line and 2 quality RB's.

Weather will be a factor, if it is raining and windy this negates Olivet passing which is Hopes defensive weakness.

Both teams need to stay focused on 1 game at a time get to this game undefeated.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2007, 03:16:41 PM
Those of you who have seen TSU and Olivet play are obviously more informed and "in tune" with what can be expected from them in the upcoming games against Hope.  Although most of you have predicted that Hope will run the table now (again like last year), I can tell you that indeed Hope cannot take either team lightly.  I believe that each team will be a tough challenge for Hope despite it being at our home stadium confines and crowd support, and I am not just saying this to downplay the atmosphere.  Not wanting to look past TSU, but assuming Hope gets by them this weekend, and having witnessed many an Olivet/Hope game in past years, I suspect (expect) as tough-hitting "slug fest" and fast-paced game, with "back & forth" scoring as in previous years (although perhaps and realistically, not as high scoring as previous).

For sure, as has been pointed out on this board by some of you, the weather will most likely play somewhat of a factor depending on the severity of that.  Nonetheless, I still expect a tough, even perhaps nail-biting game and will be very surprised if it ends up being some type of "blowout".  But...again, not to jump ahead as a very important game for us remains for this Saturday.

D306:
BTW, Alma has been using those wide spreads since Leister instituted the "open" offense back in his first year early '90's.  Yet, Hope (dating back to even my day) used to utilize the same very wide spreads.  It can have a tendency to "throw the defense off" their confidence and plan somewhat in just its objective appearance, at least until the defense can get used to it and make adjustments.  On the other hand, wide spreads mean wide holes and unless LB's and OL's are quick enough (and not spread out too far) it can be challenging.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 23, 2007, 04:13:31 PM
i can not wait till saturday to watch a good football game hope vs tri state 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2007, 05:58:22 PM
hope1:
Just remember to bring your rainsuit and umbrella, although I hope you don't need them. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 23, 2007, 08:49:16 PM
i know  they are calling for a 40 %  chance of rain saturday i got my packed in the car alderly to go at  1.00
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 25, 2007, 06:40:59 PM
Saturday, October 27 Picks:

Wisconsin Lutheran at Adrian:  Adrian  The Bulldogs Bounce back.
Albion at Kalamazoo:  Albion  The young Brits have to get a break at some point this season.  Angell Field seems a good place for it.
Tri-State at Hope:  Hope  Hope stays the team to beat this week.  Will they run the table?
Olivet at Alma:  Alma  If this were at the Cutler, I'd pick Olivet, but the Comets winning at Bahlke Field?  Wet and windy weather might help them do just that.  This should be an interesting game featuring two very different styles.

I hope everyone stays dry this weekend.  Good luck to all teams. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2007, 06:48:04 PM
What kind of surface does Alma play on these days?  Nothing was better then playing on the parking lot they called astroturf. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 25, 2007, 07:08:30 PM
D3DB


RE: Defensing Alma's wide splits.

I concur the wide splits do make for an interesting challenge.
I think it comes down to "assignment" football for the DLine and the LB's.
Have to resist the temptation to shoot the gaps thinking you will make a big play in the backfield. DL and LB's most hold their gao assignment and let the play come to them. It requires discipline and good one on one tackling.

This weekends guess:

WLC at Adrian. AC solid defense at home is the best recipe for a win.

Albion at Kazoo. High scoring affair, rain in forecast hurts the Kazoo reliance on the passing game. I will take Albion. See how this young team maturees and stays focused after what is considered a bad season so far.

Tri-State at Hope. Tri-State is improving but on the road VS Hope is not a game I see them pulling. Hope suffers no let down on the quest for a MIAA repeat crown.

Olivet at Alma Toughest game of the week to call.
I like the Alma home field advantage it will make the game tight, I think turnovers and the Tough Olivet defense wins the day.
Olivet is on a mission, really see the unity and drive when you watch this team play. Offense does not blow anyone away methodical and consistent. Defense is a weapon along with an excellent punter whom really is a offensive weapon in the field position game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 25, 2007, 07:20:54 PM
Picks

WLC @ Adrian: Adrian in a close one.  Defense will play as they have all year, offense is banged up and that could cause problems for a unit that has been struggling.

Albion @ Kzoo: Albion gets in the win column.  As good as the Kzoo offense has played at times, Albion will stop the attack and the offense will put up enough points to get the win.

Tri State @ Hope: Hope. Tri State is young and improving, their time will come but right now they are still going to have to take some lumps that come with that growth.

Olivet @ Alma: Olivet.  Almas offense can cause teams problems but Olivet has the speed and athleticism on defense to counter that spread.  Olivet will run the ball on Alma and set the show down for the MIAA championship.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2007, 08:13:36 PM
dc_has_been:
Alma has one of the new synthetic playing surfaces; AstroPlay, which is made by the same company of the orginial AtroTurf.  Alma has had this surface now for almost not quite 10 years, although has had a synthetic playing surface at Balhke Stadium since 1985 - they had the old Omni Turf.  Alma was the 4th school in the country to use AstroPlay (University of Seattle and Detroit Country Day H.S. had it just before Alma purchased and installed it).  Of course there are others now, such as Field Turf which a majority of colleges, universities use, however, AstroPlay is the same.

D306:
Agree with you about the wide splits.

My picks for this Saturday:

WLC @ Adrian: Adrian  Agree that Adrian bounces back, and it is at their home field.  WLC improved, but Adrian better.

Albion @ Kazoo:  Albion  Albion just too much for Kazoo

Tri-State @ Hope:  Hope  Have to go with the "hot" team and my alma mater, of course! ;D ;)

Olivet @ Alma:  Alma  This is a tough one.  I agree with Miaafan, if this was at Olivet, I would go with them.  However, since it is a home for Alma, I think that gives them the edge.  That being said, Olivet is difficult to figure out sometimes.  Remember not too long ago when they went 8-2 as I recall, they were supposed to lose to Albion in the last game of the season but ended up pounding them, taking away the championship from them.  However, that game was at Olivet!

I think our nice weather is done for the season on "game days", however, I hope I am wrong.  Take care and safe drives to everyone this Friday and/or Saturday in traveling to the games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2007, 08:14:38 PM
Rome, Rome, where art thou?  We miss your astute commentary on the "Big O" i.e. Olivet. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 26, 2007, 01:12:39 AM
Ready for a wet, windy, and cold Saturday?  Regional forecasts are predicting 70% chance of showers (all day), 22 mph winds, and wind chill in the mid-40's.  "Any skyboxes still available at Hope's field?"

My soggy predictions: (bring your run game, weather will make the pass difficult - but watch out for those fumbles)

ADRIAN wins big over WLC.  The Dawgs a bit too much on both sides of the ball.  Also...not a good time to visit the Dawghouse...(bad mood..shhh)

ALBION outscores K-ZOO.  Brits have actually scored well this season, the battered K defense will not slow them down.  Hornets will gain some success on long pass, but not enough to outlast a more balanced Albion.

ALMA edges OLIVET. (tough call) The Scots have a more balanced offensive attack - plus the advantage of a qb that can run.  If the Alma defense keys on Olivet's reliance on the run, they could stay ahead of the Comets.  Now add the home field advantage, and the fact that Olivet has only played 2 away games.  The key to the game will be how well can Alma contain RB Clasgens.  He is a proven break-away runner and the Alma D has given up the big run in the past.  Clasgen's will score on 2 long runs...but 14 points isn't enough to beat Alma's 20+...this will be the strongest "conference" offense Olivet has faced.

HOPE solid over TSU.  (don't like to admit it)  Hope proved they can score consistently against a top defense last week, but what really puts them on top of the MIAA is their turnover ratio - they make few mistakes.  TSU needs those mistakes to fuel their struggling offense.  If Hope plays mistake free they could post the first shut-out in league play.  The Thunder D should be able to hold the Dutch to one score per quarter, less if the TSU offense can increase their time of possession.  (however, D3DB is right.  Hope cannot take this game lightly, an off-game with mistakes in ugly weather - the TSU defense could make it difficult to recover)

I'd say break out those warm blaze orange hunting clothes for the game...but it's too close to Hope's colors.   ;D     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2007, 08:42:00 AM
Deacon Blue...from a fellow Tri-State fan (slappy).

I agree with most of your predictions, but wouldn't call that Hope win over Tri-State solid.  Hope has been scored on a lot, even in its wins.  Perhaps most of those came in the final quarter of some blow-outs, but I don't fear the Hope defense.  They won't get a shut-out, that much I am confident.  The Tri-State defense and special teams are VERY solid and should help keep Tri-State in good field position.  If the offense can limit mistakes and get it done in the red zone the game is very win-able.   

Go Thunder!  :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2007, 06:06:58 PM
DEACONBLUE and Uncle Rico:

Agree with your comments regarding the game @ Hope tomorrow.  Will look forward to possibly meeting you guys sometime tomorrow.  Perhaps at the side gate near the scoreboard beginning of game or halftime?  Let me know.

Also, if LetItRain comes too, although we don't like his "posting" name!  Bad omen for tomorrwo! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 26, 2007, 07:47:56 PM
NOAA forcast for the Tulip City Airport

Saturday: Occasional showers, mainly before 8am. High near 56. Breezy, with a northwest wind 7 to 10 mph increasing to between 21 and 24 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%.

It may rain, but it sounds better than it did earlier this week.  Looks like another good week to run the football. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2007, 09:05:54 PM
Thanks for the update sac.  I'm still bringing my rainsuit and dressing warm!  Yes, I think they had better hold onto the ball!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 26, 2007, 09:40:17 PM
DeaconBlue, Uncle Rico and formerd3db - Let's shoot for the side gate near the scoreboard about 1/2 hour before game time.  I'll drag along a couple of other Tri-State parents that tailgate with us as well.

I say "LET IT RAIN" and bring on the THUNDER!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 27, 2007, 10:25:08 AM
My Picks

Adrian
Albion
Hope
Olivet
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 27, 2007, 10:35:13 AM
WLC @ Adrian - My head says go with the home team. My heart says WLC. Both O's can score and WLC gives up a lot o points. I will go with the winning streak of WLC.

Albion @ Kalamazoo - Albion gets the road victory.

TSU @ Hope - Can TSU do it? Nope, it's Hope.

Olivet @ Alma - Olivets D is better going with Olivet.

All road victories except @ Hope. The limb I am standing on is pretty thin!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 27, 2007, 05:08:48 PM
Thank you Alma!  ;) 8)

Adrian 54, Wisconsin Lutheran 7
Albion 34, Kalamazoo 13
Hope 45, Tri-State 35
Alma 38, Olivet 25
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 27, 2007, 05:13:17 PM
WOW WLC!  What was that, a complete debacle on both sides of the football against Adrian today.   The Adrian defense once again came to play and show its the best in the MIAA giving up only 133yds for the day great showing including yet again allowing .5yds per rush on the day.  Adrian offense looks like it took major advantage of a weak WLC defense, breaking off lots of big runs and taking advantage of some WLC turnovers as well.   Congrats to Adrian for winning this one, now its on to Albion who looks to be a bit better following today and a tough matchup with Alma ending the season.  Adrian isnt out of the woods yet.

Hope had another great offensive showing, but their defensive showing still leaves something to be desired.

Congrats to Albion getting on the board in MIAA play and knocking off KZOO.

Olivet loses a big game up in Alma and now has to hope they can knock Hope off for a share of the MIAA title.

On a note to Tri State, that team is growing by leaps and bounds and it is wonderful to see them coming of age in the MIAA.  Tough losses as much as they are heartbreakers are part of building up to that successful  program, keep playing every game with all youve got and its gonna fall into place!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 27, 2007, 05:32:58 PM
WLC must have sent the JV to Adrian.  :-[ Wait... WLC does not have a JV team. WLC scored with .47 seconds left in the game. Seems kinda      league to me to take the goose egg off the board. What a whooooping.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 27, 2007, 08:33:18 PM
i think the player of the game hope vs tri state was the reffs  they were that bad like only 2 peantlys for  tri state and the rest hope     

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
Not quite the blowout that some had expected.   

I think Tri-State turnovers contributed more to the closeness of the game than Hope committing the penalties.  Facemasks, late hits, pass interferences. Strange, usually the home team gets the benefit of the calls. 

The Hope QB had a good game...big Hope o-line gave him time to throw.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 27, 2007, 10:36:39 PM
I agree thast the officiating in the Hope / Tri-State game was atrocious.  Apparently if you touch the helmet of a player from a school in Indiana, that is a face mask (typically 15 yard version). Looking at the stats for the game,

Team - Penalties - Yards

Hope - 14 - 144
Tri-State - 4 - 11

The Hope D worked hard all day, but the stripes did a lot to keep the Thunder drives going.  Tri-State had 5 first downs via penalties.  I'm not saying those were all bad calls, but at least 3 of them were, which kept touchdown drives alive.

Kudos to the Dutchmen for playing through it all.

Play of the day - 1 minute left in the game, Hope up by 3, third & 21, and Tri-State has called a timeout to stop the clock.  Everybody in the stands is talking about they gotta run the ball to keep the clock moving, and what do we a get  - a 54 yard touchdown pass to VanEerden.  Caught everyone in the stadium, including the Thunder defense off guard.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 28, 2007, 03:46:25 AM
LetItRain: 
Sorry, I did not get your post in time, we left for Saugatuck Friday afternoon.  What a game!  Even though the Thunder came out on the short end, one thing I believe all TSU fans and all MIAA opponents can agree on - TSU plays all 4 quarters to win.  I was expecting a more low scoring 24-7 battle assuming both teams limited their mistakes,  instead TSU's turnovers, and Hope's penalties certainly boosted the offensive production of both. It is odd for the TSU defense to give up 45 points, and just as odd for the TSU offense to score 35 points.  Kind of a mixed blessing.

I believe this game established a new reality in both TSU athletics and the MIAA.  It was mentioned earlier in the season that there are an elite five teams in the MIAA that have a realistic shot at the crown every year.  Now there are six.  No conference foe has had it easy with TSU.  Our losses to Alma, Olivet, and Hope (undisputed leader) have been 4rth quarter struggles.  I would agree wholeheartedly, Uncle Rico, we could have the best defense and special teams in the conference.  TSU is no longer the "improving or young or maybe in the future" team.  They have arrived and are running with the big dogs now. 

Being the sober pragmatist I am, It was obvious at the game that the only thing that stands in the way of TSU and the MIAA crown is their ground game.  FB 101: establish the run and the pass will come (ie..Hope & Alma).  Unfortunately, our 3 yard run average lacks the yardage neccesary for consistent 1st downs.  This places greater reliance and pressure on the pass forcing shorter more dangerous between coverage routes.  I am confident Coach Land and his staff will make the needed adjustments in the off-season that can bring the MIAA crown closer to Angola. 

Two more - Six and four     Go Thunder!             

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 28, 2007, 07:33:52 AM
DBlue - I must agree wholeheartedly - the Thunder are no longer an "easy" game on any team's schedule, and I think will be in position to challenge for the league crown in the next 2-3 years.  The coaching staff has done an excellent job, and with all the youth on that team, there is a very bright future for Tri-State.  That is a big plus for everyone in the MIAA, as a stronger league benefits everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2007, 09:51:48 AM
LetItRain, DEACONBLUE, Uncle Rico:

My sincere apologies also for not being able to meet up with you guys - obviously not your fault.  I, too, did not see LIR's message and due to an early Sat AM commitment, I was behind schedule and just arrived prior to the start of the game; my official duties there then prevented me from getting over to your meeting place.  So I am disappointed, but again, not your fault.  We'll have to try next time.

As far as the game, my compliments also to Tri-State players and coaching staff.  Indeed, the team is tremendously improved and now elevated to a real contender for the title.  I agree with FDF's comments regarding this - it is great for the league as well as TSU itself.  I was expecially impressed with TSU's speed and quickness, also size of linemen much improved from what I remember last year.  TSU passing game was very good, although I think Hope's secondary did a good job on coverage - certainly better than in past years.  And TSU's TD kickoff return near the end of the game was awesome - for you guys! :)  That player was fast and just simply outran everyone, even in traffic.  So I was very impressed overall with Tri-State.

Hope's Manning did have a good game - he made much better decisions on when to throw the ball away, choice of receivers, etc., and again, our OL did an outstanding job.  Jones running continues to be amazing (Booko's injuries from last week kept him out for yesterday's game, although we expect him back for next week for Olivet.  VanErden's receiving - simply a work of art and awesome.

I have to bring up one "big" negative on the game, however.  I do agree with FDF and hope1, however, in that the officiating was indeed atrocious - and this is for several reasons and not "sour grapes" (it can't be the latter since we won the game ;D ;)).  Seriously though, the penalities did keep Tri-State's couple of drives going, especially their last score.  I don't think anyone expected it to be a blow-out by any means (I certainly did not and mentioned or at least alluded to that all week in my prior posts).  Yet, without those penalties, it might not have been such a dramatic last few minutes, although perhaps so - who knows.
I and many others have commented in the past that unfortunately, the MIAA officiating crews have not been very good over the past at least 3-4 years now and yesterday I would have to seriously say was the worst I've seen in many years.  Holding calls were simply not called all day for both teams, late hits were justifiable calls except one and also with the exception of one face mask call, the remainder of face mask calls were just simply incorrect - particularly with the officials standing right in front of the play - it was obvious that all except one of those were "shoulder pad tackles" and tackler's hand was nowhere near the face mask.

Yet what was particularly egregious was, what I would simply call, the lack of professionalism from the officials and they simply didn't do their job - no explanations on calls, they simply "blew that off" on several occasions with the remarks such as "well, that was the call" or "he - i.e. the other official - called it, I didn't", etc.   Moreover, and this was perhaps the most serious mistake the officials made was not enforcing the rules.  One example - several players had their "kneepads" above their knees.  As I'm sure most of you know, this has been the "fashion fad" for many players the past couple of years (somehow, they think it "looks cool").  However, it is not only dangerous, but a violation of NCAA rules, just as not wearing hip and tailbone pads, or for that matter, wearing an "unpadded cast" for hand injuries.  I've seen officials address this knee pad issue at other games, however, yesterday, when I and others asked the officials to address it, we were told, and I quote "we've mentioned that to players and coaches every week, we did today".  When we then replied that it was still illegal, just as improper equipment, they again replied "we told them".  We basically then replied to them "then you are simply not going to do anything about this - just ignore it and look the other way" and no further answer was given.  They just ignored our questions on this from then on.  This is simply unacceptable - a warning should have been given and then if it happened again, penalties accessed.  They did it for "sideline warning" of players crowding the sidelines and also for coaches "out of the box" toward the 20 yard line (for ours but not TSU).  I bring this up because this is a serious issue of safety - we don't want anyone on either team to get hurt and if you are not going to enforce even simple rules like that, then why even have them.  Missed or controversial calls are part of the game - we all know that, however, this lack of intentful disregard of rules and what I again would term unprofessionalism from the officials is just simply wrong.  Now before anyone starts harping on me about this as being "sour grapes", let me say that it had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, and further more, regardless if any controversial calls or "no calls" being made, we all know that a team just has to "play over the latter".  Officials have a tough job and take alot of "heat" all the time by coaches, players and fans obviously (and an understatement).  However, these other issues I've discussed should not be allowed or tolerated; safety and also just not having an explanation on some calls for the coaches - it's absolutely the official's job to do so.  I have not decided yet if I will contact the league officiating director about this yet; not sure if it will do any good - it should though, if brought to the attention of that office and particularly since, at least yesterday's crew, admitted they were aware of the "problem" yet knowingly chose to ignore it.  A safety issue is legit and important.

Okay, I will "step down from my soapbox" if I may be permitted to use that perhaps worn out and old phrase.  Yesterday's game was still a very exciting game.  Too bad the weather kept the crowd down - sun came out just as soon as the final horn sounded.

Good luck to Tri-State the rest of the way.  I was very surprised at the other MIAA scores.  We're still expecting another tough, close game next week when Olivet comes to our place (although, who knows after their "meltdown" at Alma yesterday  ???).  Thanks for your indulgance in my venting on the quality of officiating - my apologies.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 28, 2007, 10:25:58 AM
Yesterday's Alma/Olivet game was a surprise in many ways.  It was not as close as the score would indicate.  Alma led throughout.  The score was 35-3 at the end of the 3rd quarter, and Alma had lots of young players getting some time on the field at that point and after.  Alma's defense was surprisingly effective, and Olivet's was not.  Alma moved the ball at will, racking up about 350 yards in offense by halftime.  Olivet's late rally was too little, too late.  If the same Olivet team shows up at Hope next weekend, the Dutchmen have nothing to worry about.  But as mentioned before on this board, Olivet can be a "Jekyll and Hyde" type of team.  If they bring their A-game, Hope will have a battle on their hands.

Formerd3db, you make some good comments on officiating.  The MIAA really must do something about the poor officiating in recent years.  The officials were not decisive at all yesterday at Bahlke Field either.  At times they were right on, and other times they missed some calls.  Sounds like it was much worse in Holland, though.  While missed calls are part of the game, and the officials do have a tremendously difficult job, we're hearing about the officiating week after week all around the MIAA.  The league has to address this at some point.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on October 28, 2007, 10:46:21 AM
It is sad to hear the the MIAA has yet to address the officiating during games. Not calling holding was always a pet peeve of mine. If they are now not addressing safety issues it has gotten much worse. It is my hope that the coaches throughout the MIAA (or is it a D3 thing) will start making some phone calls and get this corrected.

That being said, I would hate to be any type of official as there are people, like me, who disagree with every call they do or don't make. ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2007, 11:05:25 PM
miaafan and wlcalum:
I agree with you.  Hopefully, these concerns can be addressed/improved in the future.

Thanks miaafan for the recap on the Alma/Olivet game.  Changes things slightly now.  If Olivet were to beat Hope next weekend, and then both them and Hope win their final games along with Alma winning their remaining two, there will be a 3 way tie for the league title.  Obviously, I hope that doesn't happen ;D ;) ::)


DAWG and bulldogalum:
Looks like your Adrian team got back on track as you discussed.   

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 29, 2007, 12:56:56 AM
I didn't see this mentioned but according to the Holland Sentinel, Hope College set a school record for consecutive MIAA victories Saturday.  It now stands at 14.  8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2007, 06:59:20 AM
I'm assuming Albion has the MIAA record during the Pete Schmidt days...

What a weekend of football.

I'm very upset that Olivet went down.  I wanted them to head to Holland this weekend with a perfect record.  Ohhh well....I still think they can beat Hope.  I'll be there Saturday, if plans allow.

Nice wins to all this weekend....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on October 29, 2007, 08:33:33 AM
fd3db:

Yeah, I was glad to see Adrian get back on track.  Looks like they played pretty well.  Unfortunately, they jump right back into the fire this weekend for a battle with Albion.  I'm probably going to venture into Calhoun County for this matchup, which always proves to be entertaining.  It'll be my first chance to see the Bulldogs this year, and I'm anxious to see how they look.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 29, 2007, 09:42:01 AM
Regarding the officiating at the Tri-State/Hope game this weekend...

Personally (being a Tri-State fan), I thought the officiating was fine!   :D

But seriously, this is not the first time I've seen poor officiating at a game this season.  We've been baffled before by plays called during a game.  Tri-State's game against Manchester College was something else - the officials had to have been on Manchester's payroll, I swear.  Alma was another game where the officials were very questionable.  I hope the NCAA and MIAA are taking this seriously and addressing these issues - especially the safety concerns identified by formerd3db.

I would like to point out that while the Hope fans feel that the penalties may have been lopsided, Tri-State also helped you out with five turnovers so I really don't feel too badly.  It was an exciting game.  Hope will win or share the MIAA title this year and I congratulate them for it.  However, don't get too comfy with that title because it isn't going to be yours for long.   ;)

Sorry we missed everyone at the game.  We'll have to try to meet at another time. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 29, 2007, 12:37:56 PM
Dawg, BDAlum

Should be a good game at Albion this weekend.

I honestly am a little disppointed in both teams.  ???
I expected more from them both.
I thought Hope would win the league, but I expected both Adrain and Albion to push them.
Albion is young and it shows, not sure why there is not a lot of upper classmen on defense. I know there was some heavy graduation and both the LB's whom were Seniors this year are out.

Adrian seems inconsistent but has talent. Albion has young talent that continues to grow each week.

The homer in me says Albion the objective fan looks at both teams and is
undecided.  Hows that for sitting on the fence. :)

Guess I will make a guess later in the week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 29, 2007, 01:37:01 PM
Rain - no doubt the trunovers by Tri-State played a huge role in deciding the outcome of the game on Saturday.  Whoever wins the trunover battle will typically win the game.  And I think players can accept that - if they make a mistake, then it has a negative impact on the team.  Players can even accept that if they are called for a legitimate penalty.  All of those things let the game be decided by the players.

What I have a very difficult time handling is when the officiating enters into deciding the outcome.  And when, as described by d3db, it crosses the line of safety for the athletes, the officials involved need to be removed permantly. 

In my mind, the officials must always be concnered first and foremost with safety.  The officials are there to provide "an environment of fairness and sportsmanship" (taken from the 2007 NCAA Football Rules Book).  It also states that "Every participant in the collegiate football scene shares a responsibility for ethical conduct"  Choosing not to enforce a rule hardly seems to meet that standard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 29, 2007, 02:30:45 PM
Flying Dutch Fan - I totally agree with you on the safety issues and indicated that in my post.  It is nothing to be taken lightly.  I don't want my son getting hurt over something as stupid as trying to be fashionable by wearing kneepads above the knee, or some other goofball rule infraction.  I did not make light of this - we are all in agreement on this issue.

Officials make mistakes.  Sometimes blatent mistakes.  And sometimes the fans think mistakes have been made when the officials are right.  Bottom line - I certainly would not want to be an official.  However, when a person chooses to become an official they need to enforce all of the rules, and enforce them as objectively as possible.  Unfortunately, I personally have not seen a lot of evidence of objective, balanced officiating this season.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 29, 2007, 03:30:15 PM
formerd3db:

That knee pad issue is one I have noticed at all the games I have been to this year. Players think it looks "cool" but it actually just makes them look like they are wearing biking shorts and doesnt protect the knee from bruising or collision which is ridiculous. 

LetItRain, formerd3db, miaafbfan, wlcalum:

Everyone is right on with officiating in this league.  For the last 8 years on many occasions it has been mediocre at best and some crews definitley seem to carry a bias in games that I have played in, coached in and attended now as a fan.  The crews in the MIAA seem to miss a large number of calls that aren't hard to see and also seem to pick and choose what penalties they feel like calling and what they don't.  I know in the past an MIAA crew has worked the national championship game and I have no clue how they were awarded that honor.  I know from personal experience that some coaches are much more lenient on the official review cards than they should be and often let alot of things slide that should be brought to the MIAA's attention, only by coaching staffs holding the officials accountable will there be any change.

Hands down the worst call I have ever seen in the MIAA was in 2001-02, Adrian was playing #12 Thomas More at home.  With Adrian leading 19-13 with under a minute to play Thomas More throws a deep pass up the visitors sideline, Adrian's safety jumps straight into the air to play the ball, Thomas More's receiver jumps headlong into our safety, pass intereference on our safety.  Thomas More scores on a run from the 2 yard line two plays later wins 20-19.  The crew was lucky to get out of the stadium as the fans and team were irate.  I know from that however the play was sent to the MIAA, and that official did not work another Adrian College game for 5 years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2007, 04:16:37 PM
bulldogalum:
I hope you have an enjoyable time at the game this Saturday, and especially since it will be the first game you've been able to attend this year.

Rain, FDF, and DAWG:

I agree with all of you as well regarding the officiating topic(s).  I also do not think that anyone was "taking this light".  Yet, also, I want to have my own opinion clear as well - like all of you, I realize and appreciate that officials are human beings, mistakes are made on calls (that's inevitable) and, for sure, get undeserved and rigourous rantings from fans, coaches, and even players on occasions.  Of course, none of the latter is within our ideal of sportsmanship and obviously we need to remind ourselves at times (myself included) to keep our protests in a professional and sportsmanship demeanor.  While any of us can get over-excited and rather very upset in the heat of the game in regards to controversial and/or just plain wrong calls, I don't believe, however, that I have ever "crossed the line" and made any disagreement with calls downright nasty and/or personal attacks against officials, nor do I believe any of you have or would.  That does not mean, though, that we do not have the right to protest, and/or moreover, we have the duty to point out inadequacies and simple flagrant disregard for the set rules, particularly and above all about safety - as you all have very eloquently stated - and much better than I did and was attempting to do.  At any rate, we can only hope that these aspects we are discussing are addressed appropriately and improved for the sake of everyone from players to coaches and all our fellow fans.  I appreciate everyone's insightful discussion and genuine concern about this topic.  While fb is just a game, it almost goes without saying that in other aspects, it transcends that and is much more with regard to the all these issues/asepcts we are talking about in "the game of life".

DAWG:
I think all of us have one great example of a call like that during our playing, coaching and/or fan careers in the MIAA (or before!)!!!! ;D ;) ::)  For sure, there have been some "doozies"!  But while we are on this topic, it reminds me that even the instant reply/review (which I love and am in favor of) for officiating is fallible as witnessed by that reversed call taking away a most definite TD pass by Ohio State in their game against Penn State.  The review officials most definitely "blew that one"! ;D

BTW, everyone - did you see the video that Pat and crew have on the front page here showing the multi-lateral last play of the game resulting in a TD and win by Trinity over Millsaps?  Unbelievable - that has to almost, if not definitely replace the Cal-Stanford "The Play" in being one of the greatest plays ever in the history of college football at any level.  It is fantastic!  It reminds me of everytime I watch "The Play", I start laughing uncontrollably because it is so great to see - just unbelievable all the laterals - and this one is the same (of course, it is not so funny, nor ever, ever will be for the losing teams, Millsaps and Stanford :)  The only thing missing in this one was the band and its trombone player!!!!! ;D :D     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 29, 2007, 09:10:08 PM
I did see the video here, but after I had seen it on SportsCenter as the #1 play of the day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 29, 2007, 09:46:50 PM
The players on some of the local HS teams are wearing the high pants, no knee pads look.

I would bust them hard if my players try that.

The biggest thing I see is lack of holding calls in the MIAA.
I am not talking about hands caught up in the jersey, I am talking hands outside the frame, and blocks in the back on Kicks.

Punts are an adventure, when the runner reverses field.

Wow anybody watch Monday night football?
Denver is really poor on run defense I mean pitiful, even green Bay is running at will on them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2007, 10:08:45 PM
D306:
Right on, friend.

FDF and HOF:
If you guys will be at the game on Sat (Olivet @ Hope), maybe we'll get a chance to visit (if I get there earlier this time ;D).  BTW, I heard somewhere "thru the rumor mill" that the MIAA winner could be paired up with Wheaton instead of Mt. Union in the playoffs, should the former win and depending on where in the ratings the MIAA team was placed/'seeded".  Only speculation, at this point as to what might be.  I tend to think, however, as has been speculated/reasoned/discussed on some of the other boards, that most likely though, it will be Mt. Union again, down at their place ( ::)).  But...not to get ahead of ourselves - two games left to play before any of that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on October 30, 2007, 02:22:05 AM
Guys, blowin a little sunshine here...but...it's really been a pleasure talking with all of you on the board this season.  I wish I would have known of this site earlier, it has really added another dimension to following MIAA football.  I've actually gained a greater respect and fondness for MIAA rivals by getting to know you all.  Believe it or not...I have found myself saddened by an Adrian loss, and smiling at a Hope win (as long as TSU is not involved...I still have some dignity).  It sure has been a dramatic season so far.

Just a bit of politics...speaking of drama, watching the Hope/TSU game reminded me of the real sacrifice these athletes are making.  I've been privy to the recruiting practices in D2 football, which I assess as a pathetic effort at best.  Without going at length into the politics and sometimes outright laziness in the selection process, many of our athletes would excell at D2 schools and many D2 players would struggle in D3 programs.  An imperfect science.  Yet our athletes (many who were overlooked in the scholarship process of D2) had to make the tough decision of high tuition costs or possibly never to play football again.  More often than not it is the player and parents that in the end will struggle financially with their decision.  Finer educational and social experience...you bet and worth paying extra...but to many atheletes if not for the added incentive to continue in the game, the financial sacrifice might not have been made.  It's too bad D3 could not offer at least a 1/4 tuition athletic stipend to help relieve some of the economic burden which can be 3X greater cost than state schools.  There always seems to be enough money for facility upgrades to attract recruits, how about just a "little" relief for those who sacrifice so much for the love of the game.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 30, 2007, 08:28:35 AM
Pardon the intrustion from a IIAC fan living in west Michigan.

I hear Wisconsin Lutheran will be dropping out of the MIAA.  Does that mean the Conference loses it automatic qualifier for the D 3 playoffs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 30, 2007, 09:53:14 AM
d3db - I can't believe I have to say this, but I won't be at the game on Saturday  :'(  - family commitments. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2007, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 30, 2007, 08:28:35 AM
Pardon the intrustion from a IIAC fan living in west Michigan.

I hear Wisconsin Lutheran will be dropping out of the MIAA.  Does that mean the Conference loses it automatic qualifier for the D 3 playoffs?

DBQ1965:

You are not intruding.  We appreciate everyone sharing from other boards.  Besides, many of us often visit the other boards as well.  Thanks for your inquiry and visiting our board!

To answer your question:  No, because we will still have 7 teams - Adrian, Albion, Alma, Hope, Olivet, Kalamazoo and Tri-State (BTW, Tri-State is changing their name to Trine University after next year).  WLC, which was in our MIAA only for football, will be missed, however, in reality, it is a much better situation for them to be in the Wisconsin mega-conference they are joining with regards to travel, travel costs, rivalries, etc. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2007, 11:13:26 AM
FDF:

Totally understandable and legit.  We all have had to do that on occasions.  We know you'll be there supporting in "thought and spirit"! :)   Thanks for your contributions on this board.  We'll talk to you again soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on October 30, 2007, 12:11:22 PM
Deep thoughts by Jack Handy:

I just got done watching the endzone film of the Millsaps vs. Trinty play.  If I'm Mike DuBose (Millsaps coach/former Alabama coach) I might kill the player just sitting behind watching all of this unfold.  Go to Trinty's site and watch the endzone shot.  If that guy isn't hurt, he would be today by me!  He appears to be just sitting there watching this all unfold.   

It was also Millsaps HC...wow!  Talk about some watercooler talk that night around the keg.

Looks like I might be going to East Lansing instead of Holland this weekend.  Thanks to the Olivet loss, I've loss my hunger to see Dom and the boys.

The NCAA pairings aren't figured out til late at night on Championship Sunday.  So saying the MIAA champ is going West is a little premature...I think anyways.   It just depends on geographic locations and who made the playoff's and where they are located. 

I heard some rumblings about Kzoo's coach not being asked back?  Any truth to the rumor?  Just what my friends in Waldo's World tell me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 30, 2007, 02:38:40 PM
HOF:

Thats the first rumor I have heard about coach Brooks at KZOO.  It would make sense looking at his record, but looking at the schools commitment to football I dont really think it matters who they bring in to coach.  You are never going to win and may never contend in the MIAA with a roster of 60.  Kzoo's issues start at the top and work down, if the school makes a commitment to the program they can succeed they arent the only high academic football program around, Depauw has an academic requirement much like Kzoo but manages to field a good football team.  The best they can hope for with their current commitment level is about the 5 wins that Rogers was able to get out of that program years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 30, 2007, 04:02:41 PM
d3db    hey  me and the kids will be at the game we sit  next to the stairs going down to the field  where the players go down  we sit in 3 chairs  there talk to dean and my son gives the players high 5 when the hope players go down 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2007, 04:35:02 PM
Quote from: HOF on October 30, 2007, 12:11:22 PM
Deep thoughts by Jack Handy:

I just got done watching the endzone film of the Millsaps vs. Trinty play.  If I'm Mike DuBose (Millsaps coach/former Alabama coach) I might kill the player just sitting behind watching all of this unfold.  Go to Trinty's site and watch the endzone shot.  If that guy isn't hurt, he would be today by me!  He appears to be just sitting there watching this all unfold.   

It was also Millsaps HC...wow!  Talk about some watercooler talk that night around the keg.

Looks like I might be going to East Lansing instead of Holland this weekend.  Thanks to the Olivet loss, I've loss my hunger to see Dom and the boys.

The NCAA pairings aren't figured out til late at night on Championship Sunday.  So saying the MIAA champ is going West is a little premature...I think anyways.   It just depends on geographic locations and who made the playoff's and where they are located. 

I heard some rumblings about Kzoo's coach not being asked back?  Any truth to the rumor?  Just what my friends in Waldo's World tell me.

The NCAA pairings are actually announced in the morning or early afternoon on Selection Sunday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2007, 05:39:01 PM
hope1:
Will look for you on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2007, 05:52:34 PM
DAWG:

You are probably right.  Yet as you mention, I agree that, in reality, as Kazoo holds its academic programs in the same vein as the UAA's (Chicago, Wash U - which they play on occasion) and the Depauws and Rochesters, there is no reason why they can't have a decent and successful football program, even though the faculty there is not 100% supportive of it as compared to the other MIAA schools.

For the record, since you touched on the subject, Kazoo had 5 win season in 1982, 1983, 1991, 2000, 2001, and in 1993 a 7-2 record and in 2003 a 6 win season.  Not to mention "way back" in the early '60's when they were MIAA champs and crushed some good teams (with the great Jim Harkema, former Grand Valley and Eastern Michigan MAC and California Bowl champs head coach, who was an All-MIAA QB).  So it can be done.  Yet as far as how long Brooks will stick around is anyone's guess.  I suspect that he may tire of the situation and look elsewhere, especially since he came from out east.  I thought that Rogers was making great progress to get them on-track during his tenure there, but that obviously fell apart when he left for Cornell in the IVY, before his one year stint at DePauw (the latter of which didn't pan out well for philosophical aspects with the administration there according to some of what was reported at the time).

Kazoo won't drop their program (as some people unfortunately started on the rumor mill a couple of years ago - they have too much MIAA historic tradition - but I'd have to agree with you they won't be a big contender anytime soon.  I hope the program can somehow eventually be elevated.  If Olivet and Tri-State can do it, so can Kazoo.  Just my take on the situation. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cush on October 31, 2007, 09:29:05 PM
"Depauw has an academic requirement much like Kzoo but manages to field a good football team." 


Well, i knew a few guys that played at depauw and they didn't have much academic firepower...YET, speaking of depauw i would think they would be a great fit for the MIAA and replace wlc if they ever get tired of the travel with the SCAC
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 31, 2007, 09:45:12 PM
cush:

I spoke with Coach Rogers who was at Kzoo then Cornell before he was at Depauw.  This was two years ago at a recruiting fair in walled lake.  I asked him if it was any easier to recruit at Depauw than at Kzoo, he responded no, they were still looking for 3.6's and 26's.  Now as to whether or not they have some kids who are below probably, but since Kzoo brought in 11 kids in its last class its probably hard to do that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cush on November 01, 2007, 12:21:58 PM
I was kinda joking about depauw, its a good school but really 3.6+ sounds high, well, maybe not for a cornell football player...probably alot lower for an awesome hockey player though.  Of course, everybody does like to pump up their academic team profile, who knows what range a school really looks at. I guess it also depends on how good the player is, i'm thinking B/B+ core average is fine for a school in depauw's range. The guy  i knew went to depauw had a good HS GPA but just down right awful SAT scores but he had talent, which is pretty helpful.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 01, 2007, 12:57:11 PM
Cush:

Very true, Talent cant do alot of things for one in life, however for some reason it doesnt seem that Kzoo is one of those places.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on November 01, 2007, 04:42:39 PM
Last winter when the K-College recruiter came to our school he said that prospective student-athletes had to have a 3.8 and a 30.

Throw in the cost and low financial aid packages at 'K' and it's not hard to see why their football program isn't even competitive.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wlcalum on November 01, 2007, 08:30:57 PM
A 3.8 and a 30!!?
I would think you would have to be in the top ten (students not percent)of your class to have that!?
How does Kalamazoo have any students much less football players? One would think with those grades and scores an academic scholarship to DI would be in the cards.
Isn't a 3.0 and a 26 good enough to get you into college anymore?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cush on November 01, 2007, 09:44:51 PM
Holy Cow...a 3.8 and 30 needed to get into K-college?, think that's more of an example of some dude trying to really pump up his school's academic profile than reality. Of course, there is a difference from just getting into a school like k-college compared to getting full aid, in the latter case you probably do need a high average. In any event, a 3.8 GPA 30 ACT score student would be welcomed at a lot of places, throw in athletic ability and they get to pick, not at the kc level...Here's some , not so recent info on duke:

Earlier this month, the San Jose Mercury News, examining data from 1994-97 (the last four-year period the NCAA used for documentation of grades and test scores), found that freshmen entering Duke on basketball scholarships during that period had an average SAT score of 968. The average SAT score for Duke's freshman class as a whole is generally in the high 1300s.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 02, 2007, 07:17:55 AM
My son was recruited by and accepted at K-College.  He had a 3.688 GPA and 24 ACT.  However, the academic scholarship they offered barely made a dent in the annual tuition/room/board, etc... (about $8K of the $34K, I believe).

We liked Coach Brooks, but the college did not offer the degree my son was interested in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2007, 09:49:29 AM
wlcalum, cush,LIR, DAWG, blb, et al:

Some of this discussion has been talked about here and other boards in the past.  However, it is always interesting to revisit it every so often (especially for some of our newcomers) for updates; and it is relevant.  While most of us are aware that GPA is not the only criteria that colleges look at (putting aside SAT scores for a moment), I can tell you that I have seen a 3.0 GPA putting some prospective students "on the borderline" for admission at some places, and including at Hope.  It is becoming very competitive to gain admission to the small colleges and universities, and especially with the continuance in rising costs to attend, as well as the limited or reduced financial packages that are being offered at many places.  Even though parents might be in the middle income bracket and making enough to survive/get by, live on comfortably, etc., paying over $100 K for a 4 year degree (and obviously even more so if you have two kids in college) is a huge task and not easy, even if you have saved, and again, espescially if a financial aid package is minimal.  People have offered suggestions at looking for the variety of some of the more obscure and less-known scholarships and grants available from other outside sources, companies, etc. (not associated with any particular school) and while that has been helpful for some students, those are still fairly difficult to obtain.

Anyway, the cost of a college education is not inexpensive.  All of us do what we have to do to help our kid(s) get one.

BTW, I'll post my picks for tomorrow's game in a separate post.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2007, 11:35:31 AM
My picks for tomorrow:

Adrain @ Albion:  Albion  Even though Adrian rebounded last week, I'll go with Albion because they are at home and will be primed to get a win.

Wis Luth @ Tri-State:  Tri-State   After seeing Tri-State play last week, they are too strong for WLC and will pound them at home.

Olivet @ Hope:  Hope   Hope is on a "roll" and it is at home.  Also, once again, I can't pick against my alma mater ;D

Kazoo @ Alma:  Alma  Alma just too strong for Kazoo, plus Alma is at home.

Once again, I wish all of you safe travels to the games and best of luck to your teams.  I hope the weather is nice tomorrow (reports say it is supposed to be) although dress warm since it will be cold.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2007, 11:37:05 AM
Oops!  I hit the color yellow instead of purple for Albion in my predictions! :P ::) :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2007, 11:44:57 AM
Here are some attendance statistics that perhaps some of you might find interesting.  It is good to see that attendance is up a bit this year for both home and away games, at least for Hope; although we did have a bit of a decrease last week against Tri-State, which I would attribute to the poor weather.  Here are the stats:

Home games:
3150 Wis RF  (opener)
5820 Central IA (Community Day)
4893 Alma (Homecoming)
1850 Tri-State

Total is 15,713 for an avg. of 3928

Away games:
3751 Wheaton
2637 Albion (disappointing for Albion since it was their Homecoming)
2350 Kazoo (not bad for Kazoo, although it was their Homecoming)
2790 Adrian

Total is 11,528 for an avg. of 2892

Overall, not too bad and it is nice to see some increased crowds.  I have not checked the other schools to see how their figures compare.  Anyway, just thought some of you might be interested in seeing these figures and/or the trend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 02, 2007, 12:51:10 PM
Couple of tough games to call this week.
MIAA championship implications for the Hope and Olivet game.

Albion Vs Adrain: Close game and 1 of the 2 tough games to pick.
I will go with Albion at Home, offense is coming on lately and defense has matured and changed a few things up. Adrian defense is tough but I just think Albion will puy enough points up in this close game.

WLC Vs Tri-State:  Tri-State is playing well and with confidence convincing win.

Olivet Vs Hope: Wish Olivet could have pulled the win last week for the simple reason it would be for the Championship outright Saturday.
Hope at home will continue to score as they have on everyone. Olivet defense was exposed last week. I still believe Olivet has the best D in the Conference but what was up last week. Shows Alma's offense always year in year out produces points. Close game and the 2nd of the 2 tough games to call this week, I just do not see Olivet scoring enough to hang with Hope's powerful offense.

Kazoo Vs. Alma: This could get ugly Alma at home with the way the offense is jelling!!!

Great football weather this weekend a little nip in the air but should be no rain.

HS playoffs in full swing in Michigan. Some great games friday night, I will be visiting a few.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 02, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
Hey D306 ...

I will be at the Lowell - Caledonia game.  Where will you be?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 02, 2007, 04:05:14 PM
yes it is supposed to be 52 saturday  i hope the crowd is big for the last home game this year for hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 02, 2007, 05:07:48 PM
Picks for Saturday, November 3:

Adrian at Albion:  Albion  As mentioned, this is a tough on to call.  I'll go along with the home team.
Kalamazoo at Alma:  Alma  Not so tough to call.  Alma is way too much for the Hornets to handle.
Olivet at Hope:  Hope  As much as I'd love to call this one the other way, I can't do it.  Hope clinches.
Wisconsin Lutheran at Tri-State:  Tri-State  The Thunder will play tough at home.  This will be a long day for the Warriors.

And might as well throw in Michigan over MSU.

Safe travels and great games to everybody this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 02, 2007, 05:18:10 PM
my picks for nov 3

adrian over albion    by a lot of points
alma  over kzoo    by a lot  of points
tri state over  lutherean
hope over olivet by a  toutchdown i think 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 02, 2007, 05:37:15 PM
Picks

Adrian over Albion.  I dont know where to go with this one, i feel a bit torn, but my head tells me to take Adrians defense in this one.

Alma over Kzoo.  Alma is hitting stride and Kzoo appears to be going in the wrong direction.

Tri State over WLC.  Tri State will be looking to rebound after the loss to Hope.  WLC will be looking towards joining a new conference.

Hope over Olivet.  Olivet has to deal with a must win situation here, I dont know how they will rebound after last week but having seen both play I think Hope is the superior team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 02, 2007, 05:42:30 PM
DBQ

Rochester Adams VS B'ham Brother Rice or Lansing Everett VS Detroit Catholic Central.

Some very good other Games too I wish I could make.
Dakota VS CV
Holt VS Rockford

D1, D2 and D3 are my interests due to friends, family playing in the mix.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on November 03, 2007, 01:20:35 AM
Wins of November picked early:

ADRIAN over ALBION:  Albion has not fared well against strong defenses, yet Adrian has had success against weaker defenses.  I expect a "relatively" low scoring game (late season has seen offenses scoring more) with a two score advantage for the Dawgs.  (I do have a soft spot for the Brits though, historic flagship of the MIAA).

ALMA big over K-ZOO:  Ouch!  The Scots send a message that they warrant a rematch with Hope.

HOPE over OLIVET:  The Comets have suffered on the road and Saturday will not end their suffering.  This is the one the Dutch have been waiting for and they will not leave any doubt they are the elite of MIAA.

ANGOLA  ;D over WLC:  The Thunder offense and defense will have a chance to boost their statistics as they face their easiest opponent of the season.  This could be a blow-out, especially if WLC's RB Hairl is still inactive.  Expect alot of AC/DC over Shive Field's loudspeakers.

This weekend I'll be stalking the elusive whitetail and will have to miss the game, but in the silence of the Michigan wilderness...perhaps I might hear the distant roar from an MIAA field.  Safe trip everyone and stay warm.  (whoever invented metal bleachers forgot about November)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2007, 02:08:19 PM
Watching the Adrian Albion game on a live feed from Albions website http://media.albion.edu/sportsvid.  PRetty good picture and a great feature for any fan of DIII football. 

So far the game is a defensive struggle, lots of 3 and outs and the punters may have sore legs after this one.  Albion missed a long bomb TD pass by about 2 feet shortly before the half.  I missed from 1-1:11 so I dont know if there were any scores in that time but since Ive been watching there havent been any.  Both defenses are playing great, Albion and Adrian dont appear very imaginitve in their play calling so far.  Albion is the same old Albion run the ball, go deep.  Adrian is running their shotgun action and QB runs but is appearing very predictable to this point and hasnt really done much of anything.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2007, 02:24:33 PM
Correction

Albion 3 Adrian 0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2007, 03:13:20 PM
4th Quarter 5:59 left

Adrian 17   Albion 10
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2007, 03:36:22 PM
Just got done watching the Adrian Albion game.  Turned into a half way decent game to watch.  Adrian was able to get their offense rolling in the second half, but still nothign creative and im not exactly sure what was the problem with Albions defense.  The Adrian offense had great success with Troy Niblock running the football which he is very good at, 40 carries for 190+ which is a great game.  I Have persoanlly watched 3 Adrian games this season and could sit and call the play before Adrian ran it, so Im not sure how Albions defense struggled so mightily against the play calling.  Adrian showed some identity today, but its been missing all season and their is no great imagination or variety to what they try to do.  Great game again from the Adrian defense, Albion was not able to run the ball effectively at all and their passing game was inconsistent at best.  Albions offense picked up some of their yards on the last drive of the game as well but Adrian was able to stiffen and keep them out of the endzone. 

Next weeks game should be interesting between Adrian and Alma, not sure what Alma is doing today but they have been on a role. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 03, 2007, 04:38:53 PM
a good hope vs   olivet game today with olivet winning on the kicking game hope missed a  field goal and extra point
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 03, 2007, 09:40:40 PM
Wow...three way tie and it could end in a three way.

Head to head doesn't solve anything...

Olivet beat Hope
Alma beat Olivet
Hope beat Alma

So talk to me...since all three beat each other, it goes down the line of who beat who....that solves nothing, cause they all beat everyone. 

Does it go to overall winning percentage? Overall record...that doesn't solve anything...each would be 6-4.

So what is the criteria for this one...least points?  most points?

Good wins today in the MIAA...

Tom Renner, Geoff Henson...whoever is involved in the MIAA...find out how this works...SAC come on over and figure this out!!! 

Who is going to get the AQ??

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 03, 2007, 09:53:22 PM
I imagine at some point the tiebreaker comes down to non-conference record.

hmmmm.........a coin toss maybe!  ::)




By the way, no one mentioned that Olivet scored two TD's in the final 3 minutes.  The same fate suffored by a former MIAA member today.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 03, 2007, 10:53:15 PM
Don't know the MIAA tie-break system, but in the CCIW a 3-way tie (each 1-1 against the others) goes first to scoring margin in the games against each other.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 04, 2007, 12:28:33 AM
After thinking about this a little...I'm really confused, but maybe this is how it will shake out:

Say all three win next week:

Hope
beat Alma
lost to Olivet

Alma
beat Olivet
lost to Hope

Olivet
beat Hope
lost to Alma

I'm assuming the commish will get involved.  Dan A'Donna says on his blog, that Hope goes with an Alma win.  I just don't get that.  I think he forgot that Alma is in the mix too.  They all beat each other and beat everyone else in the league.  I looked all over the MIAA site, but couldn't find anything.  Somebody get in the manual and see what it says, if it even does!

If Alma loses:  then Hope and Olivet go head to head and Olivet goes!  Right?

If Hope loses:  then Alma goes based on them beating Olivet.

Right now in my world it looks like Olivet could be in the driver seat because I think Alma has a very tough game at Adrian.  I'd take Adrian over Alma at Adrian next week.  I think Adrian has a little left in the tank and I've heard through people in the league that Adrian HAS to win...

Hey Sac....didn't Albion host a basketball tournament in the MIAA because of a "flip"??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2007, 12:47:02 AM
Quote from: HOF on November 04, 2007, 12:28:33 AM

Hey Sac....didn't Albion host a basketball tournament in the MIAA because of a "flip"??

Yes, 2003 when Hope and Albion tied, they split the regular season, and each had a loss to the 3rd place team Albion to Kzo, Hope to Calvin.  Calvin and Kzoo were tied for 3rd.  That year was a real mess.

Well, maybe D'Adonna is using the tie-breaker Ypsi brings up, which would be margin of victory between the three

Hope +26 over Alma -3 to Olivet = 23

Alma -26 to Hope +13 over Olivet = 13

Olivet +3 over  Hope -13 to Alma = -10

So if the MIAA follows the CCIW's tie-breaker then it would be Hope.


But I really don't know just guessing, maybe Kzoo, WLC or Adrian will make it easy and win one of their games next week.  Maybe Tom Renner could sort that out.

We could put together an all-star team of the 3 teams, take them to Alliance, OH and see what happens. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2007, 01:03:29 AM
In many sports there are very reasonable formulae for breaking ties, but with the short season of football it is a challenge.  Record against next best team usually won't work since (as with MIAA this year) the co-champs typically didn't lose to anyone else.  Overall record is a horrible option since it encourages scheduling cupcakes.  Winning margin among the tied teams is probably the best option, with the one (big?) downside of encouraging running up the score (who knows who you may end up tied with?).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 04, 2007, 01:12:47 AM
Wow would have liked to see Olivet score twice in the last 3 minutes.

Could make for an interesting who goes to the playoffs, assuming no changes next week.

Adrian can play the spoiler in this with their good defense.


I was at the Adrian / Albion game.

Good game, I agree with dawg4life.

Adrians defense was strong again.

Albion  offense way to predictable and only 3-4 drives of more than 3 plays does not win many games.

Noted Albion had a Freshman QB for the whole game, this could account for the conservative play calling and so many 3 and outs, along with the stout Bulldog defense.

Adrian put the game away with a TD after a Albion Turnover, and the very next drive a nice ball control drive for seven was the game.

Albion defense played well until last couple of series, fighting field position all night. Albion needed some Linebacker play, runs were mostly up the gut not on the edges.
Adrian QB was running on every play and picking holes for good gains all 4th quarter. Noted Adrian QB is also one of the leading runners in league for goood reason, he runs hard and has good vision.

One week left guys enjoy the last game.
Hope everybody makes it out of the season healthy.

How about that UofM / MSU Finish!!!




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2007, 01:19:08 AM
I think its pretty unusual for a conference with a full-robin to have a 3 way tie any.  I'm sure it doesn't happen often.


In 1999 Hope-Albion-Alma tied at 5-1 with the same 1-1 vs each other problem.  Alma went to the playoffs at 8-1 (Hope 5-4, Albion 6-3), but I believe Alma made it based on the merit of their record as an at-large team.  The MIAA didn't have an auto-bid I don't think.

Interesting that if margin of victory would have been used that year Hope would have won hands down with +49, Albion +3, Alma -52.  In an odd twist and eerily similar to this season Hope beat Alma 62-7 and lost a norrow 20-14 game to Albion.

Also odd Chuck, 1999 Hope played IWU in football losing 19-11, I believe this is the only meeting between the two schools.

The only other 3 way tie I could find in the MIAA was in 1958 with Hillsdale-Hope-Albion

This is certainly an unusual occurrance.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 04, 2007, 01:47:37 AM
First impressions on Adrian and Albion after having seen them today:

Adrian's Defense is legitimate.  They're fast, they tackle well, and they follow their assignments.  I'm here to tell you they probably haven't lost a game for this team all year.

The Offense is pretty predictable, but they do block well on the predictable plays.  The O line stepped up quite a bit in the second half, with their physical play enabling Adrian to wear down the Albion defense.


Albion is a good squad, but not quite good enough.   My brother said this would be a matchup of strengths against strengths (Albion's O v. Adrian's D), and alhtough Albion's O showed signs of life, Adrian's D got the better of that matchup.

Albion's player of the game was their punter.  He singlehandedly kept Albion in the thick of things in the first half.

Hopefully Adrian cna knock off Alma next week and make the league a bit more interesting.
Silvernail is a great WR, but he couldn't handle Adrian's phsical play, it really seemed to throw him off.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2007, 01:14:21 AM
Tri-State 30, WLC 10

The up-and-coming Thunder squad end up getting the advantage in this all-time rivalry 3 games to 2 over the years.

As long as I'm posting on MIAA rivalry records, here's how WLC fared against the rest of the conference all time.

Albion:  The Brits always had the Warriors' number: WLC 0-fered.
Hope:  Ditto, barring a total shock in next weekend's '07 finale.
Alma:  Went 1-5 all time, (every year since '04 WLC's pre-season web-site release points to the '03 49-28 win as one of the biggest ones in WLC's football program.
Olivet:  Also went 1-5 with the victory coming in '03.
Kzoo:  Believe it or not WLC went 3-3 all time against the Hornets (wins in '03, '04, 07).
Adrian:  A very deceptive 2-6--wins coming in '01 and '04. (could very well have 0-fered against the Bulldogs here if not for a break or two.)


Thanks for allowing the "young cub Warriors" an opportunity to at least show what they could do as a football program still in its' relative infancy.

Best to MIAA football in '08 and beyond! :) ;) :D

+ "k" to all!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 04, 2007, 01:24:06 AM
Just for those who are curious about how WLC's fared against teams the Warriors will be playing starting in '08:

vs Concordia-WI:  0-fered.
vs Rockford, 5-3
vs. Maranatha Baptist, 2-0
vs. Lakeland, 0-1
vs. Aurora 1-0

WLC did not play Benedictine or Concordia-Chicago previously.

(for you MIAA winter sports fans, maybe your men's basketball teams will continue to have NAthCon's numbers come tournament time

(also, 2 in-NAthCon schools--MSOE and Concordia-WI have hockey programs-MSOE is scheduled to play Adrian a bit later on--)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on November 04, 2007, 06:49:55 AM
In the NCAC ... in the event of a tie ... the team which went last to the playoffs is NOT selected.  Example:  if 3 tie and Hope went to playoffs last year, Hope would be disqualified and then you would look to head to head between the remaining two.  At least I think that is the convoluted way NCAC does it.  Not set up to necessarily get the "best" football team there but rather spread it around among qualifying teams.

Next week in the MIAA will be interesting ... especially if the opponents bring their game and understand they have nothing to lose by being conventional and everything to win (be remembered) by playing one game over their heads and outerbody.

BY the by ... good luck to all and no injuries.

And .... Depauw to Hell Wabash Has the Bell.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on November 04, 2007, 07:33:34 AM
Quote from: wabco on November 04, 2007, 06:49:55 AM
And .... Depauw to Hell Wabash Has the Bell.

Ya, gotta love it spreading out to other boards...  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 04, 2007, 07:39:34 AM
According to what I heard last week (anticipating this possibility), the tie breaker works like this (assuming they all win their last game):

1. Conference record - a tie

2. Head to head record - still a tie

3. Overall record - still a tie

4. Winning percentage of the teams they played in non-conference

Right now Hope has the lead, but Central is playing an 8-1 Wartburg team, and if IWU beats Wheaton next Saturday, it could get really interesting.

Hope 20 -7 (UWRF 3-6,  Central 9-0, Wheaton 8-1)
Olivet 18-9 (IWU 6-3, Witt 7-2, Elmhurst 5-4)
Alma 16-11 (Cornell 2-7, UWEC 7-2, Witt 7-2)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 04, 2007, 08:47:04 AM
WLCALUM: 

Thanks are in order to WLC as well for being a very good fit, and a fine opponent in the MIAA over the years.  I'm sure you will be the class of your new conference soon enough, but don't be a stranger on this board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 04, 2007, 04:48:27 PM
Interesting day yesterday!  Seems we have a complicated scenario on our hands if Alma, Hope, and Olivet all win next weekend.  I think Flying Dutch Fan spelled it out accurately.  Hope has the upper hand at this point, but as we saw yesterday, things can happen to make things interesting. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2007, 08:29:52 PM
What an interesting "mess" we have in the MIAA after yesterday's action! ;D  Everyone's comments as to the the "tie-breaker" (if that is necessary) are interesting and legit.  Yet, from what I was told yesterday after our game from "the sources who will remain anonymous" is that if all 3 win i.e. Hope, Alma, Olivet, then Hope goes because of the better record of its non-conference opponents.  If Alma loses, and both Olivet and Hope win, then Olivet goes since they beat Hope (Alma would have 2 league losses).  I think the only way Alma can go is if both Hope and Olivet lose.  Regardless, it will be interesting to see what happens.

sac:
In 1999, the MIAA did have the AQ  (recall that Defiance was in the league that uyear also - it was their last year in the MIAA), but Alma went by virtue of winning the league tie-breaker, which I can't quite remember, but I belive was either by virtue of the better overall record or better scores/  performance against non-league teams.  Alma got hammered by Wittenberg in the playoffs 42-19.  The following year, Hope got in by a Pool C bid I believe in winning the conference but not having 7 teams to qualify for the AQ (before Tri-State and Wis-Luth).

Now as to Hope's game yesterday:

Indeed, very disappointing for us "Hope people" :(.  Hope had its chances to win - missing two scoring opportunities within the "red zone" early in the game and missing a field goal.  Also, a dropped INT in the endzone at the end of the game on the play right before Olivet's final TD would have sealed it for Hope.  However, that being said, great credit goes to the Olivet team and their coaching staff - neither gave up.  Olivet is a good team, very quick and hard hitting.  Hope's defense played hard, although did get tired in the third quarter when having had to be on the field for a long time when Hope's offense began to sputter.  Once again, however, the Hope pass defense in secondary had a difficult time, although did have two great INT plays, both on long passes, one thwarted a TD, the other was run back a long way for a TD.  However, the pass coverage breakdown on the last two Olivet scoring plays (i.e. the TD and the 2 point conversion) were devastating.  Hope would have had a chance to try and get into field goal range, had they not fumbled and lost the ball on the ensuing kickoff with Olivet running out the last 35 seconds.

Again, a disappointing loss.  Beautiful day for a game, however, and nice crowd.  My congrats and compliments to Olivet players and staff.  I'm Hoping, course, Hope, Alma and Olivet all win next week as we would then get the AQ as I understand it (as discussed above).

One final aspect:  I, too, would like to thank WLCAlum and his other WLC colleagues for their contribution here on our board during WLC's years as a football member of our MIAA.  Class people all the way.  As bulldogalum mentioned, I join in wishing you and WLC all best wishes in your new fb league and, yes, please don't be a stranger on our board.  We may "drop in" on yours occasionally as well.  Again, thanks.  One more game against you next week and, please forgive me, but I hope HOPE wins it! ;D ;)

Other commentsanyone about any of the games, in addition to what you others have posted?

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 04, 2007, 09:08:07 PM
A big thanks to WLC for giving the MIAA the Pool A bid over these last 5 years.

I sincerely believe that the MIAA would not have earned an at-large bid in at least 2-3 of the current 5 years that MIAA has had the Pool A bid.  :)

The other credit goes to the MIAA Brain Trust for understanding the changing nature of the football pools as teams added football and conferences moved en masse to conform to the Pool A requirements.  Getting WLC as an affiliate was strategic and brilliant as was adding Tri-State.

In 1999, the last year that the MIAA had the Pool A bid, the MIAA was one of only 15 Pool A bids (to go with 9 Pool B bids) in the 28 field team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
Ralph:

Recall that the MIAA Brain Trust saw to it before 1999 when they first had the AQ by adding Defiance.  Now, if we could only get the NESCAC to "see the light" ;D.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
First, we need to see the NESCAC play a round-robin in basketball. ::)


Thanks for clearing up 99, formerd3db, I don't know how I missed Defiance in the standings (skimming I'm sure).


For a November 3rd, yesterdays weather gets an  A++. 8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: sac on November 04, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
First, we need to see the NESCAC play a round-robin in basketball. ::)

They do. Surely you want a double round-robin. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 04, 2007, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 04, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
Ralph:

Recall that the MIAA Brain Trust saw to it before 1999 when they first had the AQ by adding Defiance.  Now, if we could only get the NESCAC to "see the light" ;D.   
Man, 1999!  That is ancient history!

The ASC was created for the sole purpose of joining D3 in 1996.

Any D3 before D3football.com is before my time!  :D

Newbies on these sites probably don't give any thought to not having D3Football.com.  The Internet has given us our own media channel.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2007, 11:26:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: sac on November 04, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
First, we need to see the NESCAC play a round-robin in basketball. ::)

They do. Surely you want a double round-robin. :)

...but of course :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 05, 2007, 08:53:10 PM
Quick question for the board.

Now that the season is winding down, what team surprised you the most? What team disappointed you the most?

To me it is very clear:

Tri-State is the surprise fo the year, while all the pre season talk was of the energy and great growth Tri-State has made I did not think they would grow so fast into a real force in the league. They were in every game and surprised a few people in my mind. Good work guys's

Albion is my disappointment possible based on past history I expected more out of this yong team. Veteran coach established program, returning several Oline starters and above average WR's. Very inconsistent on offense, while they scored points they never really sustained drives. Did not move ball at all VS. the stronger Defenses. Young defense could not stop the run. Is this a trend or a result of so manmy young starters is the question for Albion.

Early comments on upcoming weeks games:

Hope VS WLC Hope is in a bad mood after losing the lock on the league take it out on WLC

Alma VS Adrian championship implications, Alma a little too much offense for Adrian who keeps it close with solid defense.

Albion VS. Tri-State Tri-State at home closes out a very impressive season with a solid win.

Kazzo VS Olivet  Olivet defense too much for Kazoo

Assuming the out of conference games go as expected Hope gets the AQ.
I hope they do not meet Mount Union in the first round again.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on November 06, 2007, 12:46:25 AM
WLCALUM83:  I was not able to make it to last Saturday's game, but I heard the Warriors played TSU a lot tougher than the score indicated.  That's not bad considering you were without your top runner.  Let me join the others in wishing WLC the best in their new conference, it should be an exciting time.  We will be following the progress of WLC, a MIAA "favorite son" so to say.  Thanks for being part of MIAA history.

D306:  I agree with you.  TSU took a larger stride toward respectability than many had predicted, and Albion seems to be suprisingly less threatening.  I believe the Thunder's unexpected success is due to the quick maturation of their veteran defense, and the added flexibility of their new quarterback.  From what I can assess about Albion - they are a solid squad, but in the relative paridy of the MIAA they suffer from being "average" on both sides of the ball.  They have a good balance of talent on offense and defense, but either has aquired enough octane to secure a victory against the league leaders.  I find the upcoming TSU/Albion clash an interesting match-up.  TSU has a strong defensive advantage and Albion has the offensive edge (depending on their qb situation).  Late season has seen offenses score better against defenses, so I believe turnovers will ultimately decide the outcome.  The Thunder is undefeated at home which benefits TSU, but being the last game will help Albion overcome a bit of the home crowd effect.

Looking at this MIAA season it appears there is a 3 tier step in strength, yet they are small steps.  Hope, Alma, and Olivet are on the first tier, with no one team dominant.  On the second tier is TSU, Adrian, and Albion, each team played the first tier very competetively but lacked enough balance to pull it out.  The third tier is WLC and Kalamazoo, and each had played a tough game against a second tier opponent.  The potent offenses have been Hope, Alma, and Albion and the defensive strength has resided with Olivet, TSU, and Adrian.  "A very competetive season".

                     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 06, 2007, 12:51:48 AM
I don't see the MIAA AQ meeting anyone else than the "MOUNT"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2007, 07:36:50 AM
As a Tri-State fan, all this talk praising Tri-State and the disappontment in Albion scares me.  The season isn't over, and I hope there is not a let down in Angola as a result.  Albion shouldn't be overlooked, they have a good coaching staff and I suspect they will come in to Tri-State with a "nothing to lose" attitude and they will leave it all out in the field.  Don't start patting yourselves on the back yet, Tri-State, finish the season strong and beat the predictions that were made about your team.  I know you CAN do it, but you gotta play the game out on the field, and Albion will be bringing it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 06, 2007, 10:30:48 AM
Rico

No let all the talk to go to their heads  ;)

Albion needs this win

Should be a good game, just not sure which QB will be in for Albion.
Freshman showed some poise in the pocket, but does not run the offense as well as Evans and is not the same threat to run for big yardage.
If Fussee (spelling) starts again then I expect the offense to be opened up a little with another week of practice and being prepared to start.

Either way Albion has had trouble with the better defenses in the league, generating a consistent offense. Albion has hit many a big play that has lead to most of their points.
The defense is getting better with playing experience and involvement of some of the younger players seeing more time. Albion does not seem as worn down at the end of games as they were earlier in the year. I do not think it is conditioning as much as improved rotation of players and situactional changes as the coaching staff has faith in a few of the younger players to see more time.

I plan on attending hope the weather is good.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2007, 04:52:25 PM
My picks for this week:

Hope @ WLC:  Hope  I agree with D306 as Hope will be on "a mission" to win the league after losing to Olivet.  Despite being at home, it appears that WLC hasn't shown it is quite in Hope's tier, although anything can happen as we all know.  Barring a total Hope collapse (like in the Olivet game), Hope should get the win.

Alam @ Adrian:  Alma.  While Adrian is a home and a good team and improved since there mid-season losses, I think Alma will also be "on a mission" to share in the league title even though their chance at getting the AQ is less than Hope's or Olivet's.  Adrian's defense has been among the best, but Alma's explosive offense could be a problem for them.  On the other hand, despite big passing #'s historically, Alma has been known to "implode" with turnovers i.e. INT's do them in alot.  Should be an interesting game.  I'd like to see Alma win it because with an Olivet win, it means we (Hope) goes to "the Mount" - at least we would have a chance to "shock the world" as one of my colleagues has termed that possibility! ;D

Albion @ Tri-State:  Tri-State   As "U Rico" has said, despite Albion's disappointing (for them) record, they can still be a shock maker.  However, having seen both play, I think Tri-State is the stronger team and will win the game, particularly with being at home.  It might be a close one, though.

Kazoo @ Olivet:  Olivet    "The Big O" is simply too strong a team for Kazoo and also the "O" is at home.  Yet, strange things have happened in the past - just ask Alma about Kazoo ;).  Olivet has to win to have a chance at the AQ and Hope that Alma loses, again, as I understand it.  As I mentioned though for obvious reasons (at the risk of sounding like a broken record ::)) I am hoping the "big three" all win this weekend. 

My usual message is early this week, but still sincere as always:  safe travels to all of you on the way to your games this weekend and don't forget your warm coats.  Everyone may need those this time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2007, 07:01:56 PM
It is awfully quite on our board this week.  What, no one have any other comments for this week i.e. are we all on this for the "bus ride"? ??? ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on November 08, 2007, 11:34:48 PM
D306:  Your point about Albion's coaching staff is well taken.  Of all of the MIAA coaches I've had the pleasure to meet, I've been most impressed with Albion's staff.  Not only friendly, but intelligent and sincere (no rah-rah hype) which comes with experience.  This speaks to their wisdom to assess talent and use it situationally that you spoke of earlier.  Could be the difference maker if Saturday's game is a close one.

*These two heavyweights will not take their opponents lightly (too much at stake):

HOPE over WLC - Dutchmen are too good to have two off games in a row.  Hope rolls on.

OLIVET over KZOO - Rock beats sirrors.  Olivet rolls on.

*Need to take out the chemistry set for these two (too many variables):

ALMA over ADRIAN - The Scots are very similar to the Brits, except more veterans.  This will be enough to out-pace Adrian.  If the Dawgs can deny Alma momentum opportunities they could edge by, once the Scots get the MOJO it's hard to contain them.

TSU over ALBION - Defense.  It's been the force behind every Thunder victory.  Undefeated at home and the season finale, the D should be (as Uncle Rico would say) "bringing it".  Some individual all-conference honors could also be at stake.  If Albion can play mistake free offense they could pull it out.  The deciding battle will be the Brit offense vs the Thunder defense.

Expect the unexpected, on another November 10th the unthinkable occurred - the powerful Edmund Fitzgerald went down.       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 09, 2007, 08:21:33 AM
D3DB

It is quiet on the board this week.
Only good thing I can say is this boards posters are typically intelligent and do not run childish smack so I will take a little slow over some of the drivel I see on other sports websites.

Deacon I agree I always thought Albion runs a tight program, at times recently seems to have lost a little steam with support from the College powers that be.
I trust the new leadership restores the focus. I think sports is integral to the college experience no matter what level of play.

This last year the offense was not as diverse or potent as usual, I am sure it is a function of the type of players and skills that this young team has. As this group progresses and additional talent comes on board I expect to see the prolific offense return. Next year several of the offense players will be entering their Junior and Senior years this bodes well for the upcoming season. This holds true on defense as well. Albion does lose several offensive linemen in particular and what I believe is the conferences best WR in Silvernail.

That is one thing I like about HS and College over the Pro's. You really can see the progression of some of the players and every year is a new story.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: joepieters on November 09, 2007, 11:26:52 AM
Just wondering. 
The Little Giants will be playing the MIAA champion in the first round of the playoffs next week.  I see who's on top of the standings right now, but what is the tie-break formula?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 09, 2007, 12:22:14 PM
Joe- the Little Giants may be playing the MIAA champ.  There is still one week left & the playoff "projection" is not set in stone.

My question for the MIAA board is, who do think would represent the MIAA best in the playoffs?  It looks as if who ever goes will be a 7 or 8 seed, so you could be facing Mount Union or a number of diff., teams @ the 2 spot depending on what happens on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 09, 2007, 12:25:58 PM
My picks for Nov. 10:

Alma at Adrian:  Alma  The Bulldogs' defense keeps this one very close...well within upset range.
Albion at Tri-State: Tri-State  The Thunder can make a statement this week by defeating a traditional power.
Kalamazoo at Olivet:  Olivet  Kalamazoo's woes continue.
Hope at Wisconsin Lutheran:  Hope  Barring an Alma loss to Adrian, looks like Hope represents again.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: joepieters on November 09, 2007, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 09, 2007, 12:22:14 PM
Joe- the Little Giants may be playing the MIAA champ.  There is still one week left & the playoff "projection" is not set in stone.

My question for the MIAA board is, who do think would represent the MIAA best in the playoffs?  It looks as if who ever goes will be a 7 or 8 seed, so you could be facing Mount Union or a number of diff., teams @ the 2 spot depending on what happens on Saturday.

True enough, DC.
The question remains though, what's the MIAA tie-breaker?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 09, 2007, 01:03:27 PM
Wally


Review a couple of pages worth of this discussion and playoff scenarios on these earlier threads.

Formal process is also listed within these threads
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 09, 2007, 01:03:56 PM
Joe Wally and dc:

Let's see if I/we can answer you questions.  The race for the MIAA title is interesting this year, with Alma, Hope, and Olivet all still in the hunt.  All three have 5-1 league records, and all three could make that 6-1 tomorrow.  All three would have 6-4 overall records, so overall record doesn't work as a tiebreaker.  Head-to-head also doesn't work because Hope beat Alma, Alma beat Olivet, and Olivet beat Hope.  We have to then rely on combined record of opponents.  This is also not as clear as it first appears.

Hope's opponents are 20-7.  (UW River Falls at 3-6, Central at 9-0, and Wheaton at 8-1)
Olivet's opponents are 18-9.  (Illinois Wesleyan at 6-3, Wittenberg at 7-2, and Elmhurst at 5-4)
Alma's opponents are 16-11.  (Cornell at 2-7, UW-Eau Claire at 7-2, and Wittenberg at 7-2)

It first appears that Hope has the advantage, but when you consider that Central plays a good Wartburg team and Illinois Wesleyan plays Wheaton this weekend, Hope and Olivet could end up tied in this regard.  What then?  I don't know.  This really looks like a two-horse race for the AQ between Olivet and Hope. 

Anybody else have thoughts?  I have to give credit to Flying Dutch Fan for spelling out the info on opponent record in a previous post.  I just repeated it here.

As for which MIAA team would best represent the league in the playoffs, realistically the AQ  will be either Olivet or Hope.  Hope has the playoff experience.  That's not to say they would necessarily be the best.  If you consider end of season momentum, Alma might have an edge, coming off 5 straight wins assuming they win tomorrow.  They seem to be improving as the season progresses.  This is a moot point, though, as I believe Hope will get the AQ. 
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Post by: dc_has_been on November 09, 2007, 01:12:37 PM
+1 karma for you miaafbfan.  Nice work!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on November 09, 2007, 01:27:22 PM
In most leagues, if a tiebreaking rule eliminates one team but still leaves others tied, you revert back to the 1st tiebreaker with the teams that are still tied.

If this is true in the MIAA, if Alma's NCOs' records eliminate them and Hope and Olivet are still tied, you would revert back to head-to-head and Olivet wins the AQ.

As I said, this is common operating procedure in most leagues (from the NFL on down).  But I do not know whether the MIAA has adopted this policy or not.
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Post by: joepieters on November 09, 2007, 01:31:18 PM
Thanks, MIAA.  Appreciate the information.
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 10, 2007, 09:42:41 AM
Picks

Adrian over Alma, low scoring game much like the 13-10 Alma win from two years ago.  This game could go either way, but I have to go with the Adrian defense.  Huge ramifications in this one if Alma loses as Olivet will most likely be the MIAA rep to the playoffs.

Tri State over Albion, to much defense for Albion.

Olivet over Kzoo, could be ugly.

Hope over WLC, Same as above.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on November 10, 2007, 03:25:54 PM
Looks like Olivet will represent the MIAA unless Alma can score twice in the last 3 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 10, 2007, 04:28:38 PM
Looks that way, as the Adrian D keeps Alma from sharing the title.  Hope and Olivet both win, so it looks like Olivet is in based on head to head.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 10, 2007, 08:17:16 PM
Congratulations are in order for Olivet on its trip to the NCAA playoffs.   Hopefully they can put up some fight in the first round as its my guess that as a 6-4 champ from a lesser regarded conference they will be heading down to Alliance for a chance to see how they stack up against the Purple Raiders.
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Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2007, 10:58:11 PM
Well, who would have thought this ending?  Indeed, congratulations to Olivet team and Coach L's staff and all "The Big O" fans on their co-championship and AQ for the playoffs.  I also congratulate our Hope players and Coach K's staff and fans on our share of the league title, although obviously it is bittersweet in not getting the playoff spot.

For the fans, this season sure ended up being an exciting one right down to the last.  Moreover, it is difficult to imagine and perhaps a bit ironic that Adrian ends up with a 7-3 record but doesn't get the league title or a playoff spot due to the 3 losses being in the league.  Nonetheless, the overall record has to be a least some solice for Coach L and staff and the players after many people were blasting them during the slump.

Anyway, where has Rome been all season?  We haven't had much posting from "The Big O" faithful.  I'd like to see that this week and, of course, although the rest of us are disappointed that our teams did not get the AQ, we need to support our representative Olivet College.  I hope that they can "shock the world" to borrow a phrase that one of my colleagues on another board has used to describe that 'im'-probable happening. ;D  But wouldn't it be something? (although obviously not for the Mount fans or whoever Olivet gets paired with in the first round!).

I'll probably have some additional general comments/summary opinion on the league season and our MIAA teams later in the next few days, but will leave the above to suffice for now.  Thanks to everyone for posting and participating this year.  I think this has been one of the better years for our MIAA board and all of you have made it fun and "with class".  Thanks.  Yet, the season isn't done yet, so let's continue some talk on here fairly regularly - at least for another week friends!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2007, 11:04:41 PM
Congrats to Olivet on their first MIAA Football title since 1974, and believe it or not just the second since 1914, and the schools 10th overall.

For Hope their share is their 20th overall MIAA title and a second consecutive.  Its hardly been dominant but its their 6th in 11 seasons, you have to go back to the pre-Albion domination run of the 90's to find a better run of success for Hope.

Congrats to both and good luck to Olivet in the playoffs.
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Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2007, 11:22:04 PM
Well said, sac.  BTW, "just for the record", this indeed is Olivet's first "official" MIAA title since 1974, however, they actually had a 7-1-1 record and shared the title in 1991 with Albion that year, but had to vacate it due to unfortunately inadvertently using an ineligable player that season.  The 1974 title was Olivet's first in some 60 years, the last dating back to the 1914 and 1913 seasons when they shared the title with Hillsdale in former year while winning it outright the year before.  But their greatest team may have been the 1901 team when they had the "goat for a mascot" - a great team photo - one of my all-time favorites. ;D 
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2007, 11:33:08 PM
1901, eh?  Wasn't that the year Fielding Yost's Wolverines won by a cumulative score of something like 502-0?!  Maybe Olivet should have 'gotten their goat'! ;D
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Post by: hope1 on November 11, 2007, 10:01:54 AM
good luck to olivet this week
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 11, 2007, 01:24:03 PM
GOOD LUCK TO OLIVET IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!
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Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 11, 2007, 02:22:24 PM
Congrats to Olivet and our sister school Hope.  A rematch would have been a fun one to watch. 
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Post by: DutchHawk on November 11, 2007, 02:22:52 PM
How well does Olivet travel down to Iowa? We should have a large crowd and plenty of seating for everyone! Looking forward to Saturday!

Go Dutch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DustySJU on November 11, 2007, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 11, 2007, 02:22:24 PM
Congrats to Olivet and our sister school Hope.  A rematch would have been a fun one to watch. 

I "Hope" someone from Olivet finds the time to post this week.  You guys have a chance on Saturday?   8)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 11, 2007, 09:17:44 PM
Good luck to Olivet in their playoff game! 
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Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2007, 09:30:27 PM
Indeed, I join in wishing good luck to Olivet on Saturday.  It will be a great atmosphere for a playoff game down there, although it will also be a tough place to play.  Central is a good team, quick and hard hitting as evidenced by their game with us up at Holland earlier this year.  As good as Central is, I do believe Olivet has a chance to beat them, but Olivet has to stay focused, sustain their drives and make their plays, cashing in on opportunities like they did against Hope.  The cannot revert to playing like they did in their first three games, or the letdown against Alma. 

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.  It appears, as usual i.e. tradition, that this week of practice for the first round playoff game will be a cold, possibly wet one.  Hopefully, there is excitement on the Olivet campus this week for this special occasion.
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Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2007, 09:47:31 PM
BTW, I went to a book signing today at the local Barnes & Noble.  The author is former longtime Alma College football head coach Phil Brooks (his wife helped also!) who also coached at Eastern Michigan, several high schools and most recently St. Joseph (MI) Catholic.  His is a great new book entitled "Forward Pass, The Play that Saved College Football" by a major publisher in PA.  It entails the history of the development of the forward pass from the late 1880's to 1913 involving Stagg and Jesse Harper, the latter former Alma College, Wabash College and Notre Dame coach (Harper played for Stagg at U of Chicago, and then later coached Rockne and Dorias in their senior years at ND after his stints at Alma and Wabash).  The book is meticulously researched from the archives (including the papers of Rockne, Harper, Stagg) at Alma, Notre Dame, University of Chicago, Carroll (Wis) College, St. Louis University, West Point, the College Football Hall of Fame and interviews with Harper's son, etc. .  He was at the Notre Dame/Air Force game yesterday and evening, signing books there and it was well received.

This is a great book and having already delved into it (and being a historian and author myself on college football and other "stuff") I can highly recommend it.  Those of you who love college football and its history will want to add this to your personal library collection - it is a great read.  (And no, Coach Brooks did not pay me for this "plug" for his book!! :D).  Pa

Pat, you should check this out! :)

P.S.  Coach Brooks meticulous research dispelled a long time myth that Notre Dame used the first ever forward pass against Alma the week before it was unveiled against Army in 1913.  I won't spoil the story in the book, but it is neat to read this.  Harper had contacted his former Alma friends and administrators and invited Alma down to play Notre Dame four years in a row from 1913-1916 and as a result, these Alma teams became known as "The Suicide Squads"! ;D  for obvious reasons - combined cumulative score from those four games was 144-0 in favor of ND! (ouch! But at least Alma gave it "that old college try" and what an experience doing it! ;D).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Duster72 on November 12, 2007, 08:04:48 AM
I can't find the book anywhere to purchase online.  Can you help us out on finding the book?  Thanks.
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Post by: bulldogalum on November 12, 2007, 08:24:16 AM
d3db:

Alma might have a shot against the Irish this year, and I would imagine the forward pass would play a pivotal role in determining the outcome of the game.

Best of luck to Olivet in the playoffs.  Go out and get a big win for the MIAA!
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Post by: dutchfan1 on November 12, 2007, 10:53:17 AM
Olivet -- welcome to the playoffs! The Central Dutch are excited to welcome you to Iowa! I've linked you to some hotel information, for anyone travelling to the game in Pella.
http://www.hotels-rates.com/Pella/IA/usa/#visited=true

Pella is approximately 45 minutes from Des Moines; anyone wishing to fly in would need to take that into consideration. Please come early to enjoy the Dutch hospitality.

Safe travels, and good luck in the playoffs.

Oh, and Go Central!!
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Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2007, 01:35:37 PM
Quote from: Duster72 on November 12, 2007, 08:04:48 AM
I can't find the book anywhere to purchase online.  Can you help us out on finding the book?  Thanks.

The book was published by Westholme Publishing, LLC; address s Eight Harvey Avenue, Yardley, PA 19067
Their website is www.westholmepublishing.com
and the book's ISBN # is ISBN:  978-1-59416-052-3
The book is hardcover with dustjacket (great photos), is 262 pages and cost is $29.95.

If you check Barnes & Noble website and/or go to one of their branch stores, it should be there as they have been a sponsor for him for some of the book signings at their stores.  I hope that helps.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2007, 01:40:05 PM
bulldogalum:

Yes, I think Alma just might have a chance! ;D  For that matter, probably better chances would be  ;)Mount Union and Grand Valley State and perhaps even North Dakota State and Appalch' State.  It will be interesting to see what the ND administration does with this Weis situation overtime in view of and after the people bashing Faust, Willingham and even to some extent the Holtz years.

Do you think Olivet can pull this one off?
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2007, 02:17:11 PM
bulldogalum and formerd3db:

If Navy and Airforce can beat Notre Dame I think almost anyone would have a chance.  App St would for sure and NDSU would as well, as for Mount and GVSU who knows but it would be fun to see.  Its a shame for NDSU that they cant go to the playoffs this year even as the number 1 in IAA because they are on probationary membership moving up from DII, it would seem to be that shouldnt bar a team from the playoffs as a move down for DI would.

Olivet got good news with the seedings, I give them a slight chance now whereas if they had been seeded with Mount that chance would have been at none.  Olivet is physical and aggresive which will help but I dont know they have all the tools to win in the playoffs.

formerd3db, you saw Central play did you not? What can you tell us?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 12, 2007, 04:43:14 PM
Congrats to Olivet!  Represent.

Today is All-MIAA day...

My picks for MVP on Offense are:  Niblock, Adrian and VanEerden, Hope or Booko, Hope

My picks for MVP on Defense are:  Hakeem Yakubu, Olivet or Courtney Pearson, TSU

Coach of the Year (I know they don't give one):  Matt Land, Tri-State or Dominic Livo, Olivet

We shall see soon!

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Post by: bulldogalum on November 12, 2007, 06:01:14 PM
Do I think Olivet has a shot?

Well, I haven't seen either team this year, but everyone compares Olivet and Adrian defensively.  If they are, indeed, comparable, I would say that Olivet should have a shot against just about anybody, because they'll be able to hang around long enough to maybe make a big play or two on offense.  I know Olivet will come out fired up, and will play with a great deal of passion.

You've seen both of these teams play.  What are your impressions?
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 12, 2007, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: HOF on November 12, 2007, 04:43:14 PM
Congrats to Olivet!  Represent.

Today is All-MIAA day...

My picks for MVP on Offense are:  Niblock, Adrian and VanEerden, Hope or Booko, Hope

My picks for MVP on Defense are:  Hakeem Yakubu, Olivet or Courtney Pearson, TSU

Coach of the Year (I know they don't give one):  Matt Land, Tri-State or Dominic Livo, Olivet

We shall see soon!





I understand the arguments for both Yakubu and Pearson but...yes I am going to be biased...Kyle Dunaj the MLB from Adrian deserves to be right in there.  His numbers may not be as good but he is the most valuable, however he is #2 in league play behind Pearson.  He is probably the best player on the Adrian D which is the best defense in the league...held Alma to 226 yards I believe and held Hope to 169 rushing yards on 58 carries???  That deserves it alone.  Even if he is not the D MVP he deserves a first team slot.  Olivet also has a solid Defense but compared to Adrian, they are not even a close second.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 12, 2007, 07:26:10 PM
I actually disagree, at least in theory, ACRULZ.  Dunaj is the best player on the best defense, but I look at that entire defensive team as a unit.  The reason they were so good is because they functioned well as a unit, not because of any great individual efforts.  But of course, I guess that sort of tips my hand as to how I feel about MVP's in general. :-\
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Post by: ACRULZ on November 12, 2007, 07:48:06 PM
I understand your argument but from what I understand...my nephew plays at Adrian...Dunaj is the guy everyone else looks to, counts on, and that makes plays.  Which makes that defense not as good without him.  So hence my argument again, the best player on the best defense.
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Post by: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2007, 07:52:38 PM
Courtney Pearson, no doubt, for Defensive MVP.  Check out the stats...look at the numbers....the only 2 time defensive player of the week in the MIAA...148 tackles for the season...over 40 more tackles than the next person.

Not sure how this could be debated any other way!  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 12, 2007, 08:50:52 PM
Adrian had the best D in the league.  I agree, but nobody jumped out like bulldogalum mentioned.  That doesn't make it a bad thing, but rather to me a more impressive thing as the crew worked together as a unit and was damn good.

This league has a ton of players that are all worthy, but from what I'm told the coaches (good guys or not) tend to get fishy during league voting.  Voting off here and there just so there players have a better chance at becoming First Team. 

In a perfect world all kids would be honored, but I remember back in the Pete Schmidt era when Kyle Klein (Albion's QB) was the MVP, but was the Second Team All-MIAA QB.

So long of short, kids get screwed, but hey if you ain't got a ring, it don't mean a thing!

No offense to the teams that didn't win the league this year, but that is the most important thing in my book, not First Team All-MIAA or MVP...Championships sell and you remember that ring on your finger rather then that plaque on your wall. 

That is nice too!...lol

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 12, 2007, 09:10:52 PM
HOF:


I must say you are 100% correct!  If you don't have a ring it don't mean a thing!  That I will agree with you!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2007, 09:11:55 PM
First, DAWG; yes.  When Central played us, I was impressed with their speed, quickness, not only with their skilled players, but linemen and overall.  They are a good team.  For awhile, Hope had a chance to beat them, however, at that time, Hope's offense and also their line were not playing well.  They had trouble sustaining drives to pick up first downs, unlike what they started to do in with the Albion game and beyond (until the Olivet game, of course!).  Also, what hurt against Central and our early games was the secondary play, which as has been previously mentioned, was Hope's "Achilles heel" this year in the opinion of many of us.

At any rate, the point being that Central is a very good team.  I do feel Olivet has a chance, although it will be tough playing down there at Central's nice stadium and home crowd.  Olivet will have to be virtually mistake free, IMO, and capitalize on opportunities, run their offense like they have the past two games, with balanced tough running along with a great passing game.  Special teams (i.e. punter and field goal kicker could be the difference for them if the game is close - Olivet's tandem is good).  So those are my preliminary thoughts.  I am obviously rooting for Olivet, but Central has more "mental" experience in playing in the playoffs, but that doesn't mean Olivet couldn't pull an upset here.

Now, some brief comments regarding the All-MIAA team selections that some of you have been discussing.  Good comments HOF.  I will say, however, for the others that, as we have discussed this aspect in past years, indeed does "to the victors goes the spoils" as that old saying goes.  There have been many deserving players who should have made first team in past years (and that goes back 2-3 decades); I recall several years, for example, in which players who were starters and led the league in a certain category (example, in interceptions) didn't make the first team while other players who had "zero" interceptions in the league did so.  Some of that was because the latter's teams won the league title, while the other teams were down the line and/or in last place.  I've always had a hard time figuring that out and it is for sure disappointing for those it happens to.  Yet, it does happen and "that's just life and the way it goes".  While coaches want to obviously support their players for these selections as well as players wanting to make it, as you have nicely stated, there are other important aspects in this over-all "big picture" (and I'm not just talking about the "game" or league title) for a student-athlete to consider beyond whether they made the first team or not (and deserving or not).  Anyway, thanks everyone for their comments regarding this discussion.  It is always interesting to see what ends up happening each year and how the resulting "debates" ensue! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2007, 09:12:50 PM
The defense at Adrian prided itself on not having that one star who stood out and unfortunatley the MVP goes to players who are stars and stand out.  Kyle Dunaj is an excellent player as are all the rest of Adrians defense, but outside of Brandon Mohney I dont know that I would call any of them stars. The team is the first issue and all those players play amazing team defense.
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Post by: DEACONBLUE on November 12, 2007, 09:22:35 PM
Way to Go OLIVET!  Bring your "A" game to Iowa and win one for the Conference.  Beating two Dutch teams in one season is called a "Dutch Treat", so make Central "pay" for it.  Best Wishes Comets!

Uncle Rico- I agree Pearson should be D-MVP.  It would not suprise me if he also received all-American due to his national ranking.

My O-MVP would have to be Mackenzie McGrady, incredible passing and running ability ie. total offense.

Bulldogalum-In theory, your point is well taken.

D3DB- Thanks for the winter reading tip. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2007, 09:47:43 PM
Offensive MVP

Niblock/VanEerden

Defensive MVP

Courtney Pearson/Player from Olivet, cant remember his name or number, wanna say 32 or 33.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 12, 2007, 09:55:20 PM
So your saying you know this is a fact ADAWG?  You must have the inside scoop.  Because this shouldn't be released til the AM from my sources.  I guess coaches can't keep their lips shut.   Not a bad thing for this board.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2007, 09:58:33 PM
No im guessing, thats not a fact.  thats what I think.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2007, 09:59:03 PM
I just cant remeber the Olivet guy, I only saw them once and looking at the stats they were very similar.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 12, 2007, 10:29:32 PM
formerd3db,

Looks like Olivet is a lot like your team a very big line.  From the stats of the games they seem to run the ball pretty well.  From the stats they seemed to not dominate the TO category being at -2.  I am sure that they will be a very tough opponent as they have a win over you (a very good team).  What are your insights to the Comets I read what you thought about us.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2007, 11:27:06 PM
DEACONBLUE:  Your're welcome.  I hope you enjoy it.

DutchFan2004:  Thanks for the nice comments about our team.  Although we were a good team, we were not a great team unfortunately.  As far as Olivet, you are right-on.  They are very similar to your team - very fast, quick and hard-hitting, with great passing game, good receivers, OL-DL good and good LB's.  Running game is not that bad either.  As I mentioned, though, if "The Big O" has turnovers and/or doesn't execute in their passing game as they have the past two games, I think your team will pound them down.  I suspect that it could be a very good game - could be close, but if Olivet slips up, your "C" could pull away.  Again, I think having your home crowd will be a big plus.  We'll be watching.  Thanks for your sharing on our board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 12, 2007, 11:59:04 PM
D3DB:

A little self-righteous are we???  You must be the self-appointed voice of reason!  LOL!!!

Well anyway, in competition tempers get flared and egos are busted.  I'm sure when the coaches vote for All-League players they forget that it is about the kids and try to stick it to certain coaches...which is wrong! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dutchfan1 on November 13, 2007, 09:57:24 AM
formerd3db, will you be attending the game?

Safe travels to anyone making the trip to Iowa for the game!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 13, 2007, 10:48:27 AM
I am an IIAC guy living in west Michigan.  Olivet will have a chance but they will have to be almost perfect on both offense and defense.  My alma mater ... University of Dubuque ... lost to Central by a field goal in 3 overtimes ... and that was just one of 5 or 6 games where Central had to come from behind to win.  They are the proverbial "bend but don't break" team.   I'd love to see the Comets pull it off.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2007, 01:46:15 PM
All-MIAA Offensive First Team
OL – James Boyd, Olivet* (senior from St. Charles, Ill./Stoney Creek HS)
OL – Wren Chellis, Alma** (senior from Ellsworth/Central Lake HS)
OL – Jake Droppers, Hope** (senior from Kalamazoo/Portage Northern HS)
OL – Erik Ladomersky, Hope** (junior from Grandville/Grandville HS)
OL – Evan Walters, Albion* (senior from Laingsburg/Laingsburg HS)
TE –Kevin Vandenbosch, Hope** (senior from Grandville/Calvin Christian HS)
WR – Joe Cline, Alma*** (senior from Ithaca/Ithaca HS)
WR – Josh Silvernail, Albion* (senior from Livonia/Clarenceville HS)
WR – Doug VanEerden, Hope* (senior from Grand Rapids/Grand Rapids Christian HS)
RB – David Booko, Hope** (senior from Three Rivers/Three Rivers HS)
RB – Pat Clasgens, Olivet* (sophomore from Livonia/Stevenson HS)
QB – Troy Niblock, Adrian* (junior from White Pigeon/White Pigeon HS)

All-MIAA Defensive First Team
DL – Marc Miller, Olivet* (senior from Sunfield/Lake Odessa HS)
DL – Ward Ritter, Adrian* (senior from Rockwood/Oscar A. Carlson HS)
DL – Matt Rugenstein, Hope*** (senior Grand Rapids/Grand Rapids Christian HS)
DL – Zac Zanotti, Alma* (senior from Bay City/Bay City Central HS)
LB – Courtney Pearson, Tri-State* (junior from Fort Wayne, Ind./South Side HS)
LB – DeRan Thomas, Olivet** (senior from Detroit/H.W. Notre Dame HS)
LB – Drew Weigl, Hope* (senior from Saginaw/Nouvel Catholic Central HS)
LB – Hakeem Yakubu, Olivet* (sophomore from Kalamazoo/Central HS)
DB – Troy Blasius, Hope* (senior from Gaylord/Saint Mary's Catholic HS)
DB – Nate Hughes, Olivet** (senior from Marshall/Marshall HS)
DB – Brandon Mohney, Adrian* (senior from Napoleon/Napoleon HS)
DB – Michael Terranova, Olivet* (junior from Lansing/Catholic Central HS)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 13, 2007, 02:58:56 PM
formerd3db,

From the posting of the All MIAA team looks like Olivet is or has more standouts on D that O.  Would you say the strength of the team is the D?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 13, 2007, 04:00:31 PM
DAWG:


My only thought is that it is very hard for me to see that Hope would have as many selections on the first defensive team seeming as though they gave up close to 375 a game...If anything give Olivet more guys if nobody thinks the Adrian guys earned it!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2007, 04:39:43 PM
Suprise picks to me from the MIAA 1st team All League.

Evan Walters Albion - Had a great year last year, but came in this year way to heavy and was ineffective at tackle in the games I saw.
Matt Ruggenstein Hope - Has the best tool set of any DL in the MIAA but at times did not appear to be used effectivley and his stats suffered as a result.  Was a virtual non factor when I watched him play against Adrian  That being said he is still an amazing talent but had an off year.


My shocker for a player being left off of the team.

Gino Panza Adrian - My opinion the best DT in the MIAA from a motor standpoint and a physical ability standpoint.  Amazing hands, always moving and always making plays yet left off of the first team in favor of some other DT's.  Second team isn't bad for a Sophomore but on the year he had it is a disservice. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 13, 2007, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2007, 04:39:43 PM
Suprise picks to me from the MIAA 1st team All League.

Evan Walters Albion - Had a great year last year, but came in this year way to heavy and was ineffective at tackle in the games I saw.
Matt Ruggenstein Hope - Has the best tool set of any DL in the MIAA but at times did not appear to be used effectivley and his stats suffered as a result.  Was a virtual non factor when I watched him play against Adrian  That being said he is still an amazing talent but had an off year.


My shocker for a player being left off of the team.

Gino Panza Adrian - My opinion the best DT in the MIAA from a motor standpoint and a physical ability standpoint.  Amazing hands, always moving and always making plays yet left off of the first team in favor of some other DT's.  Second team isn't bad for a Sophomore but on the year he had it is a disservice. 



When we played at Hope Ruggenstein was nursing a Ham string injury.  He was not near the player the year before.  I have never pulled a ham string but they say it is very painful and if he only missed like one game I would be willing to bet he was never 100%.  If that is so that he was never at 100% he still did pretty well from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 13, 2007, 07:06:50 PM
ADAWG:

I would have to say that is pretty much right on!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on November 13, 2007, 09:50:42 PM
Post-season question?

I realize this question may have answered at length on this board before my time...and I have viewed the NCAA's +30 page document on it...but, if a simple explaination is possible...What is the transfer conditions between MIAA schools?  If an athelete played football and remained eligible at the end of the Fall semester...could he play football for another MIAA school next Fall, assuming he either finished the Winter semester at the original school or a junior college meeting the required credits and 2.0 average?  And...does this happen often in the MIAA?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2007, 10:25:00 PM
DutchFan2004:
Olivet had some very good linebackers and although their db's were smaller, they were good as well.  I would say, however, that at least in their game with us, I was more impressed with their offense.  Yet, their defense will have to bring their "A" game against your team to have a chance.

Also, Ruggenstein unfortunately did not have the type of year that he did last year.  Indeed, hamstring strains, even the lesser ones, basically bother a player for the rest of the season (it usually really takes 6 months to recover fully from those).  I know that affected him to some extent.  However, as you and others have noted, he is still a great player and I know he gave 100%.   



DEACON:
Not having the NCAA rule book at my immediate use, I will attempt to answer your question from what I know (i.e. admittedly only a little ;D) and from what I recall was discussed on here and some of the other boards in the past.  As far as the NCAA, there is no "sit-out" rule when transferring to another DIII school i.e. lateral move, like there is at DI (and DII I believe; likewise, if a player transfers "down" i.e. from DI to DII or DIII, they do not have to sit out a year).  However, most transfer rules are by each league's own rules and, of course, a particular school's requirements would play into that as well.  As far as I know, a player has to be fully enrolled at the school to be elibible to play.  In the scenario you relate, it wouldn't matter that the athlete competed and finished the season prior at another school, even if he didn't attend that school (or any school for the subsequent spring semester).  I don't recall that the MIAA has any requirement that you have to have "x # of credits" a semester before to be eligible - I could be wrong on this, although there may be a similar type requirement that would apply to basketball players transferring in "the middle of the year" as far as being eligible for the second half or semester of the season.  But I believe that if a coach has a player who wants to transfer in from another school, as long as that student-athlete is accepted into the college and enrolls full time by the deadlines for the fall semester, I believe he is eligible.  One of the Hope players on this year's team did that from Olivet it is my understanding.  Perhaps some of our MIAA colleagues are more knowledable on this as far as the MIAA specific rules.  I'll see what I can find out from my "inside sources"!  Interesting question.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bonk78 on November 13, 2007, 10:48:07 PM
I'am curious how do players get selected I know it is important how the team finishes but do any of these coaches actually pay attention to any other players other than their own!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on November 13, 2007, 11:38:47 PM
D3DB- Thanks for the info.

ADAWG- You nailed the MVP's.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2007, 12:00:29 AM
bonk:
Sometimes they do; unfortunately sometimes they don't.  I've known it to go both ways.  IMO, the selections should be based on what a player did in the current year, not their overall careers and talent.  That's why I've mentioned in the past my concern when a player who leads a category in the league in a particular year doesn't get selected to the first team (I'm not talking about someone who got in a few games and was "in the right place at the right time" to "pad their numbers" so to speak, but rather a player who was a starter and big-time contributor to a team that year).  Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen and again, many times, the team who wins the league gets the most players.  As I and others have always said, there are players every year who are deserving of 1st team, but don't ever receive that honor.

Also, it has been striking, or should I say, surprising, that the trend in recent years has been to select more than 11 players for the defensive and offensive teams.  While I realize that, at times in some years, there indeed may be two players at the same position who are "equal" and both deserving of the 1st team honor, IMO, sometimes that has been "overdone".  The player who demonstrated the best overall performance for that year should be the one selected - period - even if his team finished last.  Again, just MO ;D

DEACON:  You are welcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 14, 2007, 10:32:10 AM
Deacon,

I can shed some light about transfers.  Here it the IIAC we had an all conference selection transfer from Coe to Wartburg this year.  There are no NCAA restrictions on the transfer from one school to another.  Any restrictions would have to be by the conference ie from Olivet to Hope that sort of thing.  The player was a starter for Wartburg for the whole season.  There was some rumblings amongst the posters that the IIAC may look at this but I doubt it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 14, 2007, 12:20:10 PM
Deacon:

When a player transfers laterally at the scholarship level they must sit out, if a player transfers up or down there is no stipulation that players sit out I do not believe.  So if you go from DI to DI or DIAA to DIAA you must sit out.  However if you go from DI to DIAA you do not need to and if you transfer up from DIII to DII I also do no believe that you must sit out.  I know that transferring laterally at the DIII level does not require the athlete to sit out as we at Adrian had one of our players transfer to Bluffton and he played against us the next year.  Thats just my understanding of the situation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2007, 01:34:53 PM
As long as your in good academic standing, and have no discipline issues you can compete at another D3 school from semester to semester in the same sport if you wish.  Barring of course any leagues that have rules against it.  The MIAA does not.

About 3 or 4 years ago (or longer) a Hope JV basketball player transferred after the first semester to Alma and played varsity for the Scots the 2nd sememster.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 14, 2007, 05:08:16 PM
DEACONBLUE:  I hope you're not asking all of these "transfer" questions because your son is moving to another MIAA school next fall.  Tri-State just got on the right track this year and we certainly don't want to lose anyone other than those graduating.  Hopefully you're asking so some talented individual out there from another MIAA school can transfer to Tri-State!   :)

Congrats to Olivet this year!  Our friend's daughter attends Olivet and she's been taunting us all year about winning the MIAA in football.  Guess I'm going to have to swallow my pride a bit and extend congratulations to her next time I see her.

Make the MIAA proud in the playoffs, Olivet!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on November 14, 2007, 10:54:33 PM
Thanks for your added knowledge on transfer DutchFan, ADAWG, and SAC.

LetItRain:  My son was not playing at TSU, though I wish he had been because he was a very successful RB at the collegiate level.  I believe that is the one area the Thunder needs to improve upon next year in order to take it to the next level.  Their defense was outstanding, and their new QB shows promise, but their RBs could only muster about 3.0 yrd average and  about 40 yrds a game.  Compare this to the conference elite teams and it becomes obvious you need a reliable breakaway run threat to dominate.  This would also help to relieve the pressure off of our passing game which ranked last in the league due to this fact.  I really don't believe it is a roster problem as much as the odd wing-t set up they run (1 lone blocking back, and two split backs flanked near the tackles).  Reminds me of the time Dallas attempted to use the QB option in the NFL...fancy but just not productive.  If the Thunder can strengthen the run game-watch out next year!  My curiosity on tansfering was wondering how frequently MIAA teams gained needed positions by this process and if it was a difficult process.

How do you guys assess the needs of your teams next year?  (with depth and loss of seniors).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bonk78 on November 15, 2007, 10:04:57 PM
formerd3db  thank you for answering my question but i have one more,are the coaches going to vote on the honorable mention players
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2007, 01:48:21 PM
bonk78:

The decision was made this year to get rid of the honorable mention selections.  I dont know the reasoning behind it nor can I say that I agree with it, but that is the direction they have decided to go.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Airborne Dutch on November 17, 2007, 04:33:48 PM
Hats off to Olivet. You gave us a helluva scare in the first half. Unfortunately, that has been commonplace for the Dutch and they know how to make second half adjustments. Best of luck next season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 17, 2007, 06:32:47 PM
Congrats to Olivet on a fine season!!!!!!!!!!

The Bulldogs of Adrian will make sure we get that playoff win next season however!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Old Dutch on November 17, 2007, 08:51:26 PM
I'll be  a witness to a great effort by the Olvet Comets today in Dutchland.  You have some solid young guys and a loud cheering section, keep it going.  If only the our Iowa Hawkeyes could've beat a Michigan team today they'd be bowl bound.  Have a great of seaon and maybe we'll meet again next year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 18, 2007, 06:36:01 PM
Sad to see Olivet lose yesterday, although I think that's the first time I've ever had to express such sentiments for the Comets.  Nevertheless, a fine season for them. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2007, 10:04:10 AM
Adding to bulldogalum and ACRULZ posts...I join in on congratulating the Olivet team and Coach Livedotti and staff on a fine season.  Despite ending up being 6-5, it still was a fine season with the improvement they made and winning the league title with its AQ, which is the first goal.  For sure, was sad to see them lose to Central, although the latter proved what a good team it is, which I again can attest to after seeing them play against us (Hope) earlier in the season.  As the others mentioned (and also as noted in the article recapping the game summary on Olivet's fb page on their website), they did give a good run in the first half and had a chance.

Still, it would be nice to see one of our MIAA teams win the first round game and advance, but like the HCAC, we'll have to wait another year for that chance.  Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see what plays out in the remainder of this year's playoffs.  Anyway, again, congrats to Olivet. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dutchfan1 on November 19, 2007, 10:08:20 AM
Very respectable season -- hats off to Olivet. You guys played well, and have a lot to look forward to in the future! Best of luck next season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2007, 10:32:53 AM
Old Dutch and dutchfan1:

From one "Dutch" to you others, best of luck to your Central team in the rest of the playoffs.  It would be great to see them pull the same result as way back in 1974!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 19, 2007, 12:34:41 PM
I had the pleasure of attending Adrian's end of season banquet yesterday...There was a TON of people there!  They had t pull out more tables and chairs for people, including myself.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2007, 01:12:13 PM
ACRULZ:

That is a good sign, especially after the "rumblings" we all heard during the mid-season "skid" that Adrian had.  It is good to know that the Adrian "faithful" follow them no matter what.  It would be even better to hopefully see the student body at Adrian support the team even more.  As you, DAWG, 'bdalum have mentioned in the past, the latter has been somewhat apathetic and I'm not sure why, now that new and fantastic facilities are in place and some new enthusiasm.

Perhaps needless to say (although I will go ahead and say it anyway ;) ::)), that it is also ironic that Adrian ends up 7-3 overall but gets "no title/AQ and no at-large playoff bid" - very strange in a sense, but that's just the current system.  Anyway, congrats to Adrian on a fine season as well, even though you guys obviously wanted the 3 losses (if any!) to be non-league and thus a different outcome i.e. grabbing the title which is always the first goal as we all know, although I still say that 7-3 is no slouch season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2007, 01:40:06 PM
Not unusual at all to not get an at-large bid at 7-3.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2007, 03:26:46 PM
formerd3db:

The MIAA has had better teams than that not receive at large bids.  No knock on Adrians season they had a fine year but there have been stronger teams left sitting at home.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2007, 10:14:58 PM
Pat and DAWG:

I agree with you both entirely.  I was not saying it was "unusual", rather just ironic, and my comment about it being "strange" was from the sense that most people not familiar with the current playoff setup situation i.e. someone looking in from the outside, would think it odd.  But, of course, as we all know, it is not.

DAWG, indeed you only have to go back and look at the history - Adrian and Hope both were top teams in the '80's but did not get bids - of course, the playoff system was much different than today.  Also, Olivet was 8-2 just recently and they did not get a bid.  Many other examples in other conferences of this as Pat has alluded to (i.e. Franklin last year).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2007, 10:18:39 PM
I think the automatic bid model is pervasive enough in the NCAA that people will get it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2007, 10:34:10 PM
For sure.  Yet, you might be surprised at a few of the "outsiders" who don't follow it (DIII) regularly who ask about it...and some of the people who I've talked to who aren't really fb fans, but know of my and other people's interest (because we talk about it so much ;D ::)) who actually ask about that also.  Anyway, bottom line is yes - the AQ is persuasive enough!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2007, 10:37:15 PM
Hey Pat...BTW, have you taken out your winter coat permanently now for covering the remainder of the playoff games and up to the Stagg (uh, for your outside reporting and to & fro' the car/buildings, not while you are in the booth of course?!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 19, 2007, 11:03:47 PM
Ahh yes...back online finally!

Congrats to Olivet for a great year!  Finally, Dom might quiet some of his critics.

Sad day for Michigan football. 

Any coaching changes, players transferring or any of that good gossip??

We gotta keep this board going...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 20, 2007, 12:15:34 AM
From what I hear at Adrian the rumor that the coaches jobs were in trouble were true, but I guess that is not the case anymore.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 20, 2007, 07:57:41 AM
I will start with Congrats to Olivet on winning the MIAA.
Proves that defense and belief in your system is the key to Football.
If you review a couple key games for Olivet the coming from behind victories AT Hope and AT Adrian were HUGE.

Looks like several teams get hit hard by graduation this year, so things will stay tight and shake up again next year.

I have a "sleeper" if you can call Albion a sleeper (based on History).
Albion lost several close games this year with a predominately very young team. The Brits graduate a couple key members, but I believe have more speed and talent coming up to Junior and Senior years. Close game losses while still a loss are something you learn from if you are a young team. Just a flat out loss if you are a veteran team.

Keep your ears out for incoming MIAA players and is if we can keep the board hopping.

Last Thought Congrats and Thank You to Coach Carr class act and U of M will miss him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 20, 2007, 11:15:44 AM
I'm gone for the holiday...but I would like to wish everyone a very happy AND safe Thanksgiving!!! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2007, 08:05:41 PM
I don't want to re-type all my comments here, but was just wondering what some of you thought about who might be U of Mich's next hc?  Please see my comments regarding this over on the HCAC board.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 20, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
I, for one, would put Brian Kelly near the bottom of my list of candidates.  It's nothing to do with his coaching ability--he's a good head coach and a brilliant offensive mind--but instead relates to his ability to represent the University of Michigan in a way consistent with Michigan tradition.  He's a jerk, but that can be overcome.  My biggest problem is the way he handled his departure from Central last year, the acceptance of the Cincinnati job, and the opportunity to coach at Michigan State.  IMO, very shady all around, although I'm not sure how much of it has come to public light.  Again, I think he's a fine coach, but I would be very disappointed if he were to follow Carr as the head coach.

Obviously, Les Miles is the popular choice around Ann Arbor, and it's easy to see why.  He's a product of the Schembechler Era, and knows what it means to be a Michigan Man, but has also had experiences outside of the University of Michigan.  He's won everywhere he has gone, including the doormat of the Big 12 in the years preceding his arrival, Oklahoma State.  He'd bring what I would assume to be a livelier attitude to Ann Arbor, and would increase recruiting potential in the South. 

I also happen to think he's the best choice, but am uncertain as to how we're going to be able to bring him in giving the timing right now.  I'll be rooting for whoever plays LSU the next couple of weeks, as that would increase the likelihood of his arrival in Ann Arbor.

The general belief here in Ann Arbor is that nobody on the current staff will get the job.  Can't say that I would be upset if this was true.  Debord had all sorts of trouble in his attempt at head coaching at Central, and English has no head coaching experience.  Personally, I'd like to see someone who has been a head coach before, and has had some success at it. 

People have been mentioning Gruden and Petrino of the NFL, but one would assume both would have to take a considerable pay cut to come to Michigan, and on top of that, Gruden at least would have been away from the recruiting trails for quite some time.  Not sure that either would be a great fit.

An interesting NFL-style option is Bill Cowher.  Not sure if he's interested in the college game, or how long he would be willing to coach if he came to Michigan (Bill Martin says he's looking for a guy who will stay at least 10 years), but he's a solid coach, and a pretty reasonable option if he's amenable to the idea.

Jim Harbaugh is probably 2 years away from being ready, assuming folks in Ann Arbor forgive him for his comments earlier this year about the difficulty of classes taken by athletes.

Really, other than Les Miles, I don't see any clear choices.  If Miles turns down Michigan, or if Martin decides to go in a different direction, I really think we'll be surprised by the result.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 20, 2007, 08:43:46 PM
I personally think that Michigan could be very well served to look outside of the family.  It is a great program with an immense tradition but it is mired in the past.  The offense remains conservative and as such it appears U of M misses out on many of the top athletes when it comes to recruiting, every year teams know what U of M is going to do.  Defensivley the lack of athletes appears to hurt them the most as noting their lack of success against spread teams with fast QB's.

Having said all that....

Les Miles is obviously the number one choice I would think with his pedigree and his success. However he does have a 1.25 million dollar buy out which may muddy things a bit and in my opinion he would be a fool to leave the situation he has at LSU.  One sad thing is that the caliber of coach of Les Miles would not be considering this job if he were not a U of M grad, this job has lost some of its luster as has the program to some extent mainly with the rise of Ohio State and the influx of athletes across the nation.

Brian Kelly from Cinncy would seem to be a great choice he wins at every level and every where he has been and has proven himself a great recruiter with some very strong ties to the state of michigan and the midwest in general he also brings with him an innovative offense that U of M would surely benefit from.  That being said he doesnt have the DI experience im sure U of M would like. 

Personally I think Harbaugh would be a good choice.  Lack of experience aside he is a bright young coach mind who is very energetic and enthusiastic about coaching and would brong some fresh life to  Michigan.  Even though he is a Michigan man I do not believe that he would bind himself with the traditional offenses taht Michigan uses.  His comments may have hurt him from earlier this year, but the way I see it he was just saying what everyone knows and if he can recruit at stanford he can recruit at U of M.

Whatver happens I would be that Lloyd Carr will have a hand in picking his successor which may or may not benefit the program long term.  Lloyd has always been about leaving the program in better shape than he found it so I think he would do a good job with this.  That being said it is also my understanding that Lloyd is not a huge Les Miles fan so if that is the case it may diminish the likliehood of Miles being in the Maize and Blue.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2007, 09:51:51 PM
bulldogalum and DAWG:

Thanks for your opinions on the subject, which I would agree with as well.  With regard to Les Miles, while coaches have to say certain things at press conferences in handling situations like this for obvious reasons, I would be very surprised if Miles left LSU at this point to go to U of M.  You may not have seen his own press conference this AM which ESPN reported on, however, he basically said that he could not and would not leave LSU presently.  He told/asked the reporters to do "exactly what he was doing and that was to put it to rest" period.  He indeed seems to be a man of integrity and I would take him at his word as he has not proven to be otherwise, unlike someone like Saban.  Anyway, as I said, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchHawk on November 20, 2007, 09:53:58 PM
Congrats to Olivet on their season. You guys played tough and hung tight! Hopefully we will end up going a ways in the playoffs!!

Good luck to all in the offseason!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 20, 2007, 10:04:31 PM
Les Miles is not a lock, and doesn't quite fit the profile Bill Martin laid out in one of his press conferences.  He wants a coach that will be at UM a long time, unless he feels 10 years is a long time, Miles is 54.  LC was 49 when he took over Michigan and it didn't take long for people to call him old and crusty.

Martin also wants a coach who handles the press well and represents the University.  Miles has had his slip ups, and is known to sometimes provoke the other team with his pre-gameweek comments.   Such as "I guess Alabama's an f'ing rival now" and this gem from this week pronouncing Arkansas, Are-Kansas.   Considered derogatory in Arkansas.

What Miles would bring is enthusiasm that has been sorely, sorely missing from UM for a number of years.  He knows the history and tradition, and that may or may not be a good thing.  Hiring another Schembechler protege would be going down the same path Alabama took with its long list of Bear disciples.  I'm not sure thats what Michigan wants or needs.

Les has apparently been lobbying for this job as far back as 1995 when LC was an interim coach, it is simply put, his dream job, and if offered I have no doubt he would take it for any amount of money.  The most interesting comment coming from Carr was "you do not seek this job, this job seeks you", so perhaps Les Miles is not the top candidate as most think.

If Les were hired, I think most people would embrase him and some excitement would return.   I'd be surprised if he wasn't candidate #1.  But I do not believe he's a lock for the job.

After Les I think its a long list of people no one is thinking about.  Gruden,  Cowher, Kelly etc get mentioned but I don't think any are very viable candidates for differing reasons.  The one name I think that may pop up is Kirk Ferentz at Iowa, who's made it known in the past Michigan is the only job he'd consider leaving Iowa to take.  Brady Hoke, Ball State, Paul Johnson, Navy just to name a couple others.  Chuck Martin at GVSU was thrown around in one publication I saw, longshot but he'd be a heck of a defensive coordinator.


The chances of one of the current assistants landing the job are zero in my opinion.  DeBord is one of the worst mistakes Carr made, English is just not ready and neither is anyone after him.  There are only about 2 or 3 coaches on the staff that any other college team would even take.

Whomever the next coach is I'll embrace with all my maize and blue vigor.  My only wish is that he clean house in the assistant coaches offices and strength and conditioning offices and hire an actual special teams coach.

Its been 48 years since Michigan actually went out looking for a coach, when Glen E. Schembechler was hired in 1969, no one had heard of him.   Except Woody  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 20, 2007, 11:26:10 PM
formerd3db:

It would be extermely odd for Miles to leave before the national championship game if they make it,   and it would also be very unlikely of michigan to apparoach that early.  It would cause Bo to roll in his grave if any recall his response to Arizona State hiring Michigans Bball coach away before the final four many years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2007, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 20, 2007, 11:26:10 PM
formerd3db:

It would be extermely odd for Miles to leave before the national championship game if they make it,   and it would also be very unlikely of michigan to apparoach that early.  It would cause Bo to roll in his grave if any recall his response to Arizona State hiring Michigans Bball coach away before the final four many years ago.

Combine that (and Bill Martin being well aware of that) with Martin saying the coach would be hired before the end of the year, and I'd say it will NOT be Miles.

Here's an idea from left field that might be good for UM (and would likely be good for 237 other schools in d3!) - hire Larry Kehres. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2007, 12:00:11 AM
Mr. Ypsi

That would be a great move for the other 237 schools in DIII, and it might end up being a great move for Michigan, but I would put the odds on that at about 10,000,000,000 to 1.  But hey, we can dream....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 21, 2007, 01:26:38 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2007, 12:00:11 AM
I would put the odds on that at about 10,000,000,000 to 1.  But hey, we can dream....

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.......so your saying....there's a chance!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2007, 01:54:18 AM
sac:

I love it +K for you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 21, 2007, 09:24:37 AM
Interesting topic we had a the Gym yesterday.

With more teams going to the "spread" and several more upsets of "powerhouse" programs in College football. Has the "recruit" profile for D1 colleges changed?

Are good athletes that are not "prototype" size players getting more attention and a shot? I know that many of the Big Ten and major colleges hae a official list of "measurements" players most reach IE: Height, Weight, 40 time, 225 REPS.

I am sure we all know young men that are great athletes and do not get noticed or marginal scholarship attention due to these profiles.
I think this is why many smaller and non traditional powerhouse teams are winning these games recently. In a lot of ways a player is a player, not everything is about these measurables.

To that end does this bode well for some of the DIII stand-out players in getting looks from the Pro Ranks? More and more I see slot recievers that are small,fast and run good routes. I think this also holds true for some DE, LB's good athletes but are "undersized"

Have a good Holiday drive safe. 
Watch the Lions VS Packers at your own Risk of spoiling another Holiday  LOL
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 21, 2007, 03:42:28 PM
d306----I think what the spread offense has done, is almost completely nullify the offensive and defensive line play.  This is where the big programs have always had the biggest advantage.  Everything is now designed to create one on one matchups between outside athletes, and frankly guys who can run are really a dime a dozen.    The offensive lines of a spread team are not required to engage the DL for very long on either a running or passing play, they need only occupy their man for 1 or 2 counts and usually the ball is already gone.  Therefore its not necessary for them to be big, strong and they can even be mildly talented.  The only requirement seems to be good footwork.

My personal belief is the two biggest reasons we have such parity now, is #1) the spread, and for the reason I outlined above.  #2)  The gap between facilities is really almost nothing today.   There has been a HUGE emphasis by most of the big time colleges to improve their facilites  in every aspect.  Everyone pretty much has the same basic weight training center that only the elite used to have.  #3) and it actually might be the biggest reason,  there are now 64 teams that will be participating in post season bowls.  Thats over half of Division 1.

Only 8 years ago in 1999 there were only 44 teams participating in bowls.  A bowl game gives you up to 5 extra weeks of practice as a team.  Things you cannot do if your sitting at home.

Think of it like this between Michigan and Michigan State, over the past 4 seasons Michigan has had 20 extra weeks of practice and 4 more games of experience.  How much better would MSU had been with the same extra practice time.  So Michigan has had almost an entire extra season of practice.  I'm sure thats played a part in the 6 straight victories, among other minor miracles on the field.

  If you want to know why it always seems like the same teams end up in the post-season D1AA, D2 and D3 tournaments, its mainly because of all the extra practice time they rack up during the post season.

Grand Valley State, has turned the GLIAC season into the most boring pointless display of a conference season there is, over the past 4 years GVSU has been able to practice 20 extra weeks and has played about 16 more games than their conference foes, thats a whole seasons worth of games and then some.  Thats a HUGE advantage.


Beyond just the 3 reasons I've outlined, you can add in scholarship limits (more on that latter), kids wanting to play NOW, and the general gameday experience improvements that a number of Universities have done.   In 1990 going to an Oregon or Kansas State game was not an event, but it is now.  In the Big 10 you need look no further than Wisconsin.  These are just more programs that add to the pool of the top programs competeing for kids.

People throw out the scholarship limits as a reason but I tend to disagree with that, those have been around for 20 years now, and we didn't have unranked teams beating top 5's at the current rate back then.  The only real, glaring thing the scholarship limits have done, is put teams that suffer a rash of  injuries in dire straits.  See UM 2005, 2007.  But thats been going on for years now.


For me at least, I believe #1 and #2 are the primary reasons for parity.  The spread gives teams of lessor talent the ability to compete, it just becomes a game of one on one matchups in space.  I find it incredibly boring football to watch a QB stand in the shotgun......look over to the sideline with his whole team, take a snap, fake to the rb and wing it out to a WR for a 3 yard gain.  Every time.  I don't enjoy watching 45-35 games as much as I do 24-20 slugfests.

The weight training facilites are all basically equal, its pretty hard to go to any division 1 campus and not see construction on some football facility somewhere.  Heck even GVSU is getting and indoor football building.


So these are my explinations, would love to hear others.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2007, 06:31:53 PM
sac and D306:

Great comments.  I think all those factors are involved.   Yet, I also believe that the "facilities" aspect can be applied to DIII.  A great number of DIII schools have had to do this as well just to "keep up with the Jones'", particularly the very smaller DIII schools who historically in some cases have had a difficult time competing in recruiting with the bigger DIII schools and ones who have had established and more successful programs.  Although it is still a factor to some degree, the "cost factor" for most of the DIII schools is pretty much the same anymore, although not completely.  By that, I mean (as we had discussed recently on another board these similar topics), for example some of the DIII schools in Ohio are about $10,000 more than in our state (and this cost applies the same for in-state and out-of-state students in some cases in Ohio).  Thus, in many instances, a prospective student-athlete (let's stick to fb) might as well just stay in-state in Michigan since the cost difference is not as much as a factor, unless there is an academic program at an out-of-state school not available at one of the in-state colleges and/or they just really want to go further away in regards to location for their college experience (and perhaps even because a particular campus setting - the latter is not a "far-fetched" consideration i.e. it is a legit one for some students.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchHawk on November 21, 2007, 07:41:47 PM
Is there really any talk of Kirk Ferentz up in Michigan? We here in Iowa dont really believe it, and dont really want him to leave with the 2 seasons weve had it would be hard to get a coach equal to him to replace him! Just wonder what the news is up there!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2007, 07:48:17 PM
DutchHawk,

His name has been on most of the lists, but they are often pretty long lists.  One thing nearly everyone seems to forget is that MOST Michigan coaches were 'nobodies' when first hired (Schembechler's hiring was greeted with newspaper headlines of 'Bo Who?')  It would not surprise me a bit if the eventual hiring was someone not on any of the current (public) lists.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 21, 2007, 08:55:34 PM
SAC, D3DB

Great comments folks.

I think you hit many of the same points I also believe are significant.

Look at the WAC and many other smaller conferences all the games are 40+ points for both teams.
Any team can win in this type of game, the ball is always in the air big plays are made defensively as well as offensively.

I think that more DIII players will be making the step to the Pro's also, due to the Spread. Look at a couple of the Lions WR these guys are not very big at all yet they are fast and fearless.

I also think this is why there is a few "smaller" DE out there now. They are speed rushers or LB's that can run well. Somehow you need to get pressure on the QB and force throws before the route is completed. I also like to see the DB bump the WR off the line. I think with so many smaller LB and DB players as teams look for "Athletes" as they call them that Tackling is a lost art. IE: Dre Bly great cover and instincts he can jump route well. That said he could not tackle a TE or Big Reciever unless he caught them off balance while making the catch.

All this said The Pats are amazing this year, they are just blowing teams away, every play is specifically targeted even when the game is already won. I think they have a point to prove about the "Camera" issue.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchHawk on November 21, 2007, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2007, 07:48:17 PM
DutchHawk,

His name has been on most of the lists, but they are often pretty long lists.  One thing nearly everyone seems to forget is that MOST Michigan coaches were 'nobodies' when first hired (Schembechler's hiring was greeted with newspaper headlines of 'Bo Who?')  It would not surprise me a bit if the eventual hiring was someone not on any of the current (public) lists.

Good point, Im just saying its harder for us at Iowa to replace a guy like Ferentz (national coach of the year 04 I think) especially coming off 2 6-6 seasons.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on November 22, 2007, 09:21:51 AM
I think Ferentz' name is coming up more because Michigan's president, Mary Sue Coleman, came from Iowa than anything.

Ferentz is a good coach, but would be a tough sell to Wolverine fans because of his record the last three years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 22, 2007, 10:55:33 AM
Just wanted to wish a happy thanksgiving to all, if youre driving drive safe and if youre eating eat way to much!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2007, 11:58:27 AM
I would also like to join the others in wishing everyone a blessed and enjoyable Thanksgiving Day.  Despite any differences of opinion, problems at work, relationships, or with life in general, let's all just put those aside for today and give thanks and focus on the positive aspects we have had.  One quote that I recently came across, have on my desk at home and look at everyday before going to work is the following:  "When you awaken each day, thank God that you have something to do today regardless of whether you want to do it or not"  (can't recall who penned it right now).  Anyway, as DAWG said, safe travels to everyone and again have a great Thanksgiving Day today.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 22, 2007, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: blb on November 22, 2007, 09:21:51 AM
I think Ferentz' name is coming up more because Michigan's president, Mary Sue Coleman, came from Iowa than anything.

Bingo, nothing more than speculation because they've worked together before.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 23, 2007, 07:06:44 PM
Well after watching LSU drop one to Arkansas, they arent in the national championship hunt anymore, maybe Les Miles will end up at U of M.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2007, 11:23:24 AM
Somehow, I think he will.  However, as Gary Barnett (the former coach and one of the  current ESPN analysts), I hope Michigan approaches this process with class.  I think they will, but would be surprised if they don't.

Who do you pick as the winner of these two games  Central (IA) game and the Curry game today?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 24, 2007, 01:46:38 PM
Curry of course!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2007, 11:11:05 AM
Some interesting scores from the playoffs yesterday.  Curry got blasted, although from what others said, they were the best team in a conference that wasn't as good this year.  Anyway, does anyone feel any of the remaining teams has a chance to upset Mount Union?  Obviously, the SJF game should be a good one, given those two teams contest in the playoffs last year.  Central was surprising in handling St. Johns, but also WisWW and Wabash are still in the running, as is Mary H-B from Texas.

Any news about any coaching staff changes (based on the fan "rumblings" this season) at Kazoo, Albion?  With the 7-3 season, saved Adrian as some of you mentioned.  Just curious.

Also, did anyone hear what the "problem" was at Defiance with their hc Taylor?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2007, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 25, 2007, 11:11:05 AM
Obviously, the SJF game should be a good one, given those two teams contest in the playoffs last year.  Central was surprising in handling St. Johns ...

I wouldn't say it's obvious based on last year's game. Last year's Central/St. John's game was a good one last year and it wasn't this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2007, 01:17:55 PM
Actually, Pat, from a general standpoint, it would seem that it would have been a good game i.e. close game this year (having seen Central play and also that St. John's was not having their usual stellar year).  However, you are right, it wasn't a good game this year from the fan's standpoint (except for Central's fans, of course ;D) in the sense that the Georgia/Kentucky game was yesterday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 26, 2007, 12:56:57 PM
D3DB


Do you know something we dont?

I have heard rumblings RE: Kazoo and Albion also.

Kazoo is a tough job, the numbers are very low.
Seems to me that Kazoo alters the game plan for the talent they have, numbers and the size of those players are both very small.
I think the College as a whole needs to buy into the program and spend some money and energy to bring the program up. Could a new coach fire this up? Possibly, I think more is on the College itself.

Albion is a little more troubling. I expect more from Albion, they have history and nice field and good numbers in program.
I think 2007 season was hurt by lack of Experience on the field, very young. Is that on Coach, your call.
Loss of 2 Senior LB's really was evident when DB's lead team in tackles. Needed support on the run, to get off the field.
2008 is critical team returns most of the starters and have few long trips to go for games.  Is the "new" Admin Sports Friendly? New President attended and participated at the home games I attended. I know the Alums especially 90's group wants to see the dominance return.

I do not value the "Higher Stds" comment that I hear for Kazoo,
Hope and Albion are plenty selective and have high standards for the incoming students. I know several current players whom maintain 3.7 and higher GPA's that are performing at a high level in this league.

I think next year is a big year for several coachs in the league, for different reasons.
TSU can they keep the momenteum, OC now that several key people graduate what happens? Hope Booko, and some good linemen are gone now what? Alma the spread never fails to create offense can defense get better? Adrain the pressure remains Big money has been spent expectations are high in league not easy out of league games.

Should be a good off season to see the recruits and transfers that make a difference.

MIAA needs to be like GVSU load up on JC, and D1 transfers to build a stud team.
OOPS did I say that, now that GVSU is a power it is not quite as prevalent as it was in the past. Winning brings recruits less need for JC and Transfers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bonk78 on November 26, 2007, 09:30:51 PM
Coach Brooks resigned effective immediately!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2007, 10:11:27 PM
D306:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and opinions regarding Albion for next year.  As far as Hope, with Booko's departure, we already have an able returning RB in Jones as he was a part-time starter this year with some +100 yard games.  Hopefully, some one will step-up for the second RB.

No, I didn't know anything more than you or others regarding the just noted Brooks resignation at Kazoo.  However, it is not surprising as there were rumors during the season he would leave after it was concluded.  These were general rumors and I can't tell you any sources since I truly don't know where they actually came from but only that I "heard" them from some alumni.  Also, recall that he is an "east coast" guy (Va) so it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up going back to that region.

From the press release that Pat has posted on the front page here, it appears that the President and AD are committed to improving the fb program.  Kazoo will never drop it, but they do need to continue working on gaining further support from alumni and also trying to get more faculty support from the general faculty, which to my understanding, has been one of the longtime traditional problems there, among others.

As far as Albion, you would know more than the rest of us on that; it will be interesting to see if the administration would push for a coaching change if they have another losing season next year.

Jr. College and DI transfers less likely to happen in a general trend in the MIAA.  While there have been the latter on occasion in recent years at some of the schools, it is not a routine happening.  Besides, the cost of going to an MIAA school sometimes is a difficult aspect for some, unless, they qualify for the general aid/grants, academic and other scholarships available to the all students.  As I and others have mentioned in the past, the increased opportunities at the DII schools in our state and the Midwest region has affected the recruiting for MIAA and other DIII schools in the region.

It will be interesting to see who Kazoo picks for the new hc.  Keep us posted on anything you hear.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 26, 2007, 10:13:48 PM
Coach Brooks is gone....best of luck to him. 

Do we (the MIAA) have any assistants in the league to take over these jobs?  I always see in other leagues coaches changing schools all over to other schools.  Sure would be good to see someone else from our league become a coach.  Good for the league.  Somebody in the league might understand what it takes at Kzoo, but then again maybe they wouldn't.

I heard today from a coach in the MIAA that Adrian is opening up with Capital next year.  That is an upgrade.  Either somebody from Adrian reads this board or somebody said lets do it from the AD.  I'd be interested to hear how they hooked up with them. Good for the league, I guess!  Ouch?

Black Monday in the coaching ranks for DI schools....ouch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 26, 2007, 10:29:50 PM
Wow things happen fast today on the board.

Best of luck for Brooks, be interested to see where he is headed.

I was being somewhat fecisus about JC and D1 transfers, cost and recognition would be a big issue. DIII is not typically that sports orientated

I would like to see more emphasis be put on performance in the league though. No reason MIAA can not win a playoff game once in a while.
There is enough talent in the Great Lakes area, the educational value in the MIAA I feel is very good. Many students will get some assistance and this will bring the cost within reason compared to most state schools. I am basing this on student athletes whom have a good ACT, GPA. If you are not getting much assistance then MIAA is expensive, as is all private schools.

Regarding Jones the younger RB at Hope, please do not remind me Hope put a ton of yards on the Brits with the tandem this year. LOL
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 26, 2007, 10:30:55 PM
Actually Adrian has been scheduled to play Capital in 2008 for more than a year now.  From what I hear this was a decision made entirely by the coaching staff.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 27, 2007, 12:47:16 AM
Coach Brooks was in a tough situation that may have amounted to a no win, its my opinion that the best that program is and was capable of with the low level of support and commitment from the College is the 4-5 win seasons Coach Rogers was able to get.  Until the school decides to take its football more seriously than a JV highschool team any coach will find it a rough going.  With the overbearing academic standards and lack of financial aid packages or scholarships for incoming students football will continue to struggle.  If the school has anymore of the 11 freshman recruiting classes that it had last season the team and program could die.  I do not envy any coach who ends up at K next and I for one would be looking for some form of commitment from administration (i.e. TSU) before I would even touch that job.

formerd3db:

Obviously the rumblings at Kzoo turned out to be correct.  As for Albion everything I have heard is that Rundle's job is safe.  The man has an incredible track record at Albion despite complaints from fans and alumni recently, sure they went 2-8 this year but they did win the MIAA two years ago and everyone goes through rebuilding at some point, it just took Rundle longer than most to get to that point which is a testament to his coaching and recruiting ability.  In watching Albion play they have some good young talent but suffered from some injuries and players returning out of shape, on top of the fact that there were serious issues that I saw with their defensive coordinator, I think they would be well served to make a change there.

The Adrian coaching staffs jobs are safe, the win against Alma was a big one for the coaches and the team. While I cannot say for certain that they would have lost their jobs had they failed to beat Alma, I would have placed a wager that they would. 

Regarding Capital on the schedule, that has been scheduled since before last season.  Before Aaron Klotz left Adrian he set the schedule in order and one of the big upgrades he made was to add Capital to the schedule and increase the strength of Adrians non conference schedule.

On another note I have heard rumblings that Aaron Klotz is in the final runnings for the head coaching job at Bluffton University, a position I am sure he would bring some enthusiasm and energy to.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 27, 2007, 06:57:00 AM
ACRULZ:  Thanks!

ADAWG:  Thanks!  I'm very happy that Adrian has decided to upgrade their schedule with Capital.  The good news is that AC upgraded their schedule, the bad news is AC upgraded their schedule with Capital.  Nothing to lose by playing that powerhouse.  Hopefully not a QB??

Kzoo has been a tough place to coach and recruit to.  If they only lowered those standards a tad....the potential would be unlimited, I think??   WMU right across the street, DIII school in a major DI town in Michigan.  The facility is pretty bad and the price tag is crazy, but hey new blood, we'll see.

Good to hear that a former MIAA guy is up for another job.  If I recall, Adrian and Bluffton tangled for the last couple years.  Is that game still set?  If so that would be a quick "homecoming".  Good luck to him.

Well Thanksgiving is gone, now all I hear on the radio is Christmas music.  I like it, but it kind makes me say....where the hell did the time go?  I thought I was just reading that football was starting in three weeks????
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2007, 07:10:46 PM
DAWG:

Thanks for your info.  I did not know that Bluffton was looking for a new head coach - I will have to check their website.  As I recall, the hc there has been at the college for a long time as an assistant before taking over about 5 years ago or so when the former longtime coach retired.  Hopefully, Klotz will get the job - he would be a great asset to them. 

As far as Kazoo, as I said, they will never drop the program, IMO.  However, I agree with your and HOF's assesments.  It is a tough sell, but perhaps some youn alum who played for them and knows the situation, such as the young man who is currently their interim head coach, might be the answer.  He would know how to approach the administration and other aspects in attempting to improve the program, as opposed to bringing in yet another "outsider".  It still would be a difficult and slow process, but not impossible.  All of you need to remember that this very same situation was at Olivet for years and years and people said they would never get to a level which they are now (then again, all you are too young to remember that, which means I am really an old "former"! ;D ;)).  Anywaya, they do need to upgrade the facilities there, even though they did a little in recent years (the locker room, iron gates at the "new" side entrance and new visitors stands).  Presssbox is horrible!  I'd start there, keep the home stands as is, but obviously with new seats and, of course, add the new style synthetic turf.  The soccer teams could use that as well.  Just my thoughts.  Anyway, as you both said, it will be interesting to see what happens there in the new coach selection process.

Albion will rebound I don't doubt it.  As for Adrian, yeah, I guess a 7-3 season does wonders, even if you didn't win the title.  Still, firing Lyall would not be a good move IMO, he should be allowed to go out on his own terms when he's ready.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 27, 2007, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 27, 2007, 07:10:46 PM
Still, firing Lyall would not be a good move IMO, he should be allowed to go out on his own terms when he's ready.


I have not been around Adrian long but one thing I do know is that people LOVE Coach Lyall!  He is an all-around great guy.  I could not be happier having my nephew play for him!  He produces quality young men and he actually cares about the kids more than he does winning or being named Coach of the Year.  The kids love this guy!  That was evident at the end of the Alma game this year.  After the game was over the players chanted "Lyall!  Lyall!" over and over again.  It was a great thing to see!  I agree with you when you say he should be able to leave on his own terms.  If there were more coaches in college football like him I have a feeling we wouldn't see all of the off-the-field stuff that goes on with players these days.


BTW, sad day to hear what happened to Sean Taylor.  My prayers are with his family.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 27, 2007, 09:43:33 PM
formerd3db and ACRULZ:

Just adding a little more on the firing Lyall being a bad decision.  As much as President Docking wants to win now and win big, that is not what Division III football is entirely about, there are no NFL players, there are no TV contracts and there are no 14 million dollar bowl games.  There is however the growth and learning one goes through in 4 years of collegiate football, both as a player and a person.  Lyall has always been good in guiding young men to make the right choices, to take their academics seriously because thats what will last and to be accountable for your own actions.  He instills a great individual pride in the players as well as a pride in the school and program that is truly exceptional.  During my time at Adrian from 2000-2007 as a player and coach the majority of kids that came to Adrian cited Coach Lyall as well as the coaching staff as the big reason for attending Adrian.  When my freshman class came in to Adrian there was no field, there was no facilities, it was Jim Lyall that got kids on campus with his enthusiasm and pride in the school.  Even in down years players never quit on him, 2-8 or 8-2 everyone played and plays for coach Lyall.  If the administration ever made the decision to remove Lyall from his position it would be a monumental mistake as there would be almost 20 years of football Alumni who would most certainly take offense to the decision and I know myself personally would have no involvement with the program if they should ever move in that direction.  At the end of the day winning is what matters, it is what people will remember but it is not the only thing, as long as Lyall has the kids on his side, runs a clean trouble free program and stays true to the identity of Division III football he should always have a place at Adrian and should only leave on his terms when he sees fit.  The same should be true for any coach, whether it is Rundle at Albion, Kreps at Hope or any other coach in Division III.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 28, 2007, 09:16:27 AM
I think it's best for both parties that Coach Brooks resigned.  I don't think that he really understood the challenges of being at a Division III school, especially at a school like Kalamazoo that doesn't lend its support to athletics in general. I believe that you need to find a Kalamazoo football alumnus.  Two names that come to mind immediately are Jamie Zorbo and Jeff Sokol.   Zorbo is a 2000 grad that played under Rogers and followed him to Depauw. He is currently the Linebakers coach.  Sokol is a 1996 grad who started at Defiance and has been on the University of Chicago coaching staff for 8 years, offensive coordinator for the last 3 years. I believe Sokol was on the final list before Brooks one the job.  I know Jeff personally, and think that he would be an excellent candidate. 



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 28, 2007, 12:50:22 PM
I will join the bandwagon of support for Jim Lyall.  He's as enthusiastic as they come--and not just about football, but about the success of his kids in life.  I think he represents both Adrian College and the MIAA in a great way, and he has really developed a fine program at Adrian.  I'm glad to see him continue to receive the support of his players, coaches, former coaches, and interested parties throughout the state and hope he continues to coach the Bulldogs for quite some time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 28, 2007, 01:52:02 PM
Stinger:

Good points, I had the same kind of thoughts when they first hired Brooks.  Kzoo isnt exactly a college that someone without experience and an idea of what it is all about can come in and succeed with.  For K hiring from the family may be the best move as they would be more attached and more in tune with what the program needs and what it could take to be successful.

That being said K still needs to step up its commitment to its football team as it has for several other sports.  While I agree that K will never cancel its football program if it continues to bring in 11 freshman than it may not have a choice it is a numbers game and even though K has never had huge numbers, 11 freshman will kill a program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 28, 2007, 03:19:38 PM


My son and I had friends whom played for Kazoo.
They told us to come to Kazoo as he would play right away due to numbers. Not that he was some stud player. He did play elsewhere.
We did not make that choice, not based on Football but on programs offered and cost/scholarships elsewhere.

All I am trying to say is the numbers issue has been going on for a while now.
Great school, in a major city, strong Academics has had success in other sports.
I do not think it would be that hard to generate more support if the school wanted to. The program needs some financial support to bring the grounds and the faciluties up.
Visual impression is huge on a 17-18 year kid trying to decide if he wants to play, and if so is this the place. Many people that visit Kazoo are looking more to the educational offering than Football as that is the reputation Kazoo has built and fostered.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on November 28, 2007, 03:28:03 PM
Stinger, agreed Sokol would be a fine candidate too.

Also Brian Coon, offensive coordinator under Rogers. He may be looking to get out of Cornell and might welcome a chance to come back to Michigan.

However - none of these three have head coaching experience, which may have been part of Brooks' struggles. On the flip side, they are familiar with the college - its philosophy, strengths, weaknesses.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 28, 2007, 05:14:45 PM
I remember Stinger mentioning that the past President, Jones I think, didn't care for athletics much, maybe what we're seeing at Kzoo is just a result of that pseudo neglect, its not just football that has taken a step or two backwards.

On the facilities side, other than the top notch tennis center which no one in the MIAA will ever top, I see Kzoo's facilities slowly sliding down the pecking order in the MIAA hierarchy.

Just look at what Adrian, Hope, Albion, Alma have done, and what Calvin and Olivet are doing or going to do.  In the 17 years I've traveled to Kzoo for a sporting event I've never seen any construction of any kind. 

I'd be interested to know the state of athletics at Trinity, CT, which is where the former Kzoo president went after K I think.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bonk78 on November 28, 2007, 08:35:47 PM
I hope K hires a coach with passion to light a fire in this program and hopefully the administration (trustees) and the alumni will support the program! There are a few parents of current players that are pushing the administration to upgrade the facilities inorder to show future recruits that the school does support athletics!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2007, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: Stinger on November 28, 2007, 09:16:27 AM
I think it's best for both parties that Coach Brooks resigned.  I don't think that he really understood the challenges of being at a Division III school, especially at a school like Kalamazoo that doesn't lend its support to athletics in general.

He came from a Division III school.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 29, 2007, 12:44:39 AM
Whatever happened to Coach Rogers from Kazoo?  The last I heard he was at Cornell and then DePauw.  I thought he did a great job for being at Kazoo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on November 29, 2007, 01:01:42 AM
Quote from: ACRULZ on November 29, 2007, 12:44:39 AM
Whatever happened to Coach Rogers from Kazoo?  The last I heard he was at Cornell and then DePauw.  I thought he did a great job for being at Kazoo.

Please forgive my intrusion from the dark depths of the NCAC and HCAC boards.
Regarding Coach Rogers at DePauw, there were some major disagreements with the administration a couple of years ago which have been tied up in litigation.  Have heard nothing of the outcome (geez, that sounded like Jack Webb...)  

Wes Anderson, esteemed columnist for the South Region for ATN, formerly DPU3619, and distinguished Dannie alumnus, might be able to provide perspective of that affair.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 29, 2007, 06:23:12 AM
Rogers was very good.  He does however say what is on his mind.  Sometimes that is not the right thing to do.  Anyways he is now on the west side of the state coaching GR West Catholic or something like that.  Maybe somebody can find the exact location for him.

Looks like Michigan might get Les after all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 29, 2007, 10:57:30 AM
Coach Rogers was a helluva coach at K.  He constantly butted heads with the administration at Kzoo , specifically Jones (much like Coach Haklin).   As far as Depauw goes, I know a little about what went down due to his resignation. I do not know where litigation stands if there is any.

I did a little digging, and Coach Rogers was with GR Catholic Central this past fall. From the CC website:

Tim Rogers has been with us since the spring and has already made a positive impact on the student athletes at Catholic Central. Tim will be teaching Physical Education, Business and is our new Varsity Football coach. Tim is a veteran educator and coach who has worked primarily at the collegiate level. He has been a very successful coach and teacher at DeLaSalle Catholic High School in Chicago, Kalamazoo College, Eastern Michigan University, Cornell University and most recently at DePauw University in Indiana. We are excited to have Tim join our staff

I will try to find out what I can about what the direction of the Athletic Department at Kzoo in terms of a new hire.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 29, 2007, 07:09:10 PM
Thanks for the info on Coach Rogers!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2007, 08:38:01 PM
I suppose I could apply this to myself as well, however...are you guys "dead" in here now?  Some nice discussion up until this weekend, now nothing for two days! ;D :D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 02, 2007, 11:24:40 PM
Im still checking every day, but I havent had much to offer.  Ive kind off been waiting for someone to spark something.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 03, 2007, 08:32:07 AM
Funny

I was doing the same, checking but nothing to say RE: MIAA

I hope someone, anyone beats Mount Union only for the reason that I want it to be competitive in the league.

Has the College Football become completly political and all about money.
Look at this weekend and the comments from the various coachs begging for the NC shot, and the way LSU/Les M handles the U of M attempt to talk to LM.

Well the Lie-downs are officially dead, back to their old ways, did not even attempt to have a running game in the last several weeks. Defense getting run on like a HS team. So is our offensive coordinator the self proclaimed genius leaving or becoming the next head coach?

U of M pulling a Jan 1st game and Tebow well sorry Carr goes out with a loss. Tebow will have 2 TDs Running and 2 TDs throwing. Michigan can not handle the spread, and a athletic OB whom is bigger than some of the LBs is that much more of a problem.  Wish U of M had been asked to a lesser bowl, Carr and the seniors could Graduate on a good note.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 03, 2007, 01:03:09 PM
D306:

They had a running game in the thanksgiving game, but the one thing that has never materialized is the "greatest show on turf"  Martz's passing game has been awful all year and he appears to refuse to want to use Calvin Johnson, even when Roy Williams goes down.  It makes no sense not to use him, all they had to say about him was how well he was picking up the playbook and how good he ran routes in training camp, I cant imagine thats stopped now.  The best thing the Lions this offseason will be to let Martz find the door and get himself another job, they have the talent now to run a real offense, not that cute mess he runs with 4 rushing attempts.  I wouldnt be to sad to see the Lions go after Derek Anderson this offseason either to shore up the QB position, sure it will probably cost them their 1st and 3rd round pick, but Millen would just waste those anyway, might as well get a very good young QB who is athletic and has the arm to throw to the talent the Lions have. Thats just my opinion on the mess that is the Lions.

I agree that U of M got a bad draw for their team against Florida, to much talent to many athletes and they wont be able to counter Tebow, who should be the hands down Heisman trophy winner if they actually want to give it to the best football player in the country.  U of M wouldve been better off in the Motor City, but now it looks like that senior class wont win a bowl game or beat OSU which is a shame for Jake Long and Henne, I dont much care about Hart though because he runs his mouth to much. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 03, 2007, 03:18:33 PM
Dawg

I agree, I did not like the Martz hire.
He is full of himself. I swear he threw to Johnson 9 times in a row the other game just to piss people off because everyone said we do not throw enought to him.
then he ran 9 times in a row, because people  said we do not run enough.

I like the QB idea as Kitna, is going to be dead before this year is over. He gets to many hits and sacked to often. Martz's offense always has the QB on an island.
I have no problem throwing if it is like the Pat's quick slants, quick hooks vs. zone.
It is almost like running if executed correctly.

Do not think drafting Peterson would have made a running game in Detroit, it is mental make-up of Offense and the play calling not the talent, that holds them back.
Running is about mindset and toughness. The talent is not that much different all NFL lineman are tough, big and fast. Yes there is better players but that is not the major reason.

Wow looking at MU football roster.
Alot of out of state players, MUC football has created its own draw for football. While must MIAA schools are Education and local in the most part.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 03, 2007, 05:23:26 PM
You know, if any of you are looking for a new and exciting posting topic, I could paste the fact pattern for my complex litigation paper onto the board, and you guys could help me try to certify a class! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2007, 06:09:52 PM
Quote from: bulldogalum on December 03, 2007, 05:23:26 PM
You know, if any of you are looking for a new and exciting posting topic, I could paste the fact pattern for my complex litigation paper onto the board, and you guys could help me try to certify a class! ;D

Nice try!  But with Detroit looking for a pro football team, Michigan looking for a coach, GVSU looking for yet another title - not to mention various possible MIAA topics - I feel I would have no problem certifying a class (MIAA posters, with or w/o lurkers) to sue you for trying to pawn off your homework! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 03, 2007, 06:48:19 PM
good luck collecting damages. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2007, 07:25:54 PM
Aye, there's the rub!  Though future earnings as a lawyer will presumably outstrip mine as a sociology grad student. :P  We can be patient on our pay-off. 8)

I don't recall where you're located (if you've said) - will you be a regular at AC games?  Since I used to make the run often for Ypsi-Adrian youth soccer games, perhaps I'll come to other than the Hope game this year and meet you?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 03, 2007, 08:05:05 PM
I'm actually in Ann Arbor, and I try to make it to every game I can.  I make it to most home games and several of the away games.  Feel free to let me know if you're going to be down in Lenawee County and I'll try to catch up with you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2007, 09:32:45 PM
Assuming you're at UM Law School, and gas prices being what they are, give me a call (I'm in the phone book, and used to post under my name 'c a bonney')  - with the student loans you're likely facing, you could use a break (and we'll be VERY patient on those damages)! ;)

If you're at Ave Maria, give me a call anyway - we'll likely disagree on nearly everything, but it oughta be good conversation (and you could probably still use a break on gas money)! ;D  (We retirees can be very flexible.)

Although no one else seems to be using the board, maybe you oughta PM me before someone chimes in "why don't you guys get a room"! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on December 03, 2007, 11:12:06 PM
Picking up on an earlier thread - "the challenges facing Kalamazoo College football"  let me elaborate (with social commentary) on another obstacle facing the Hornet program.  Here's one for the Stinger.

Back in my school days (late '60s-early '70's) the U of M games were filled, but a different crowd than today.  They seemed to be comprised of more students, alum, and locals.  The MAC (my conference) had trouble filling stadiums, and I was told MIAA attendance was often less than most high schools then.

Today, I've seen college football (even NFL) take on an almost "festival-like" quality.  They have become "events" beyond the game itself.  Popular culture has embraced the experience as a social obligation that has now attracted more fair-weather fans as well as the non-fans.  The NFL and D1 have witnessed the usual sell-out crowds followed by the second quarter exodus of  these social-fans seeking the comfort of resturants and bars with the satisfaction of "I was there".  This has been great financially for schools and their programs, though they have to enter the "arms race" of facilities to attract this new consumer...which in turn enhances recruiting.

Now, to Kalamazoo College.  Unfortunately, they are the only MIAA team that has to share their city with a D1 program - WMU (across the street).  In the other MIAA cities D3 is the "big game" in town.  WMU has gone wild with facilities and the successful marketing of the "big college game in town".  This has pulled away all the potential social-fans (as noted above) that would have been attracted to K-College games if it was the only college gig in town.  This leaves K-College with only a fan base of parents and alum.  To try to enter into a facilities competition with WMU would be futile.  I salute Kalamazoo College on their commitment to uphold a historic football program against unique challenges not found at other MIAA schools.  Long may they run.           
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2007, 11:36:21 PM
DeaconBlue,

Nice summary of the Kzoo challenge.  While at a different divisional-level, I'm sure you can now understand what I've been saying about EMU vs. U of M. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 04, 2007, 06:32:27 PM
Deacon:

Ditto Mr. Ypsi's comments to yours i.e. nice summary.  I would just add that one of the problems at Kazoo has been the faculty as opposed to the administration.  The latter has supported the football program for a long time, seeing the overall value it adds to the educational experience for student-athletes, and not just those who are on the team.  From my "inside sources" associted with the school in one way or another that  I've talked to over recent years, general faculty non-support (although not all of the faculty as there are some that do value the fb program) has been a big drawback. 

However, I do not for one minute believe that Kazoo can't improve the program like Olivet did.  When you can still have over 4000 for your Homecoming fb game like Kazoo did just even 3 years ago, that says something i.e. is at least some positive aspect, even if small.  The other problem, in addition to the faculty aspect and those aspects that you nicely spelled out for the rest of us, is again, the academic factors that others have discussed here as well.  But again, if the likes of Olivet (and Northwestern, and let's throw in EMU for Mr. Ypsi's sake! ;D), then Kazoo can also.  I hope that whoever they pick as the new coach can help be a spark plug for that (i.e. picking an alum as some have suggested might just be that spark - it couldn't hurt for sure).  We'll see what happens.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 04, 2007, 07:06:47 PM
ADAWG:


Maybe you should throw your name in the running for the K-Zoo head job!?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on December 04, 2007, 09:21:18 PM
Speaking of jobs...any of the MIAA guys get any head jobs yet?  I know we had some talk a week or so ago about a couple.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 04, 2007, 10:10:49 PM
ACRULZ:

Thats an idea, but I dont think I have quite what they are looking for, but hey the worst they can do is say no so I may just send my stuff on over.  I'm actually heading down to Florida on the 16th about a teaching/coaching job with a friend of mine who also played and coached at Adrian, hes the HC at a pretty good program right now so Im hoping I can catch a break and perhaps move to warmer climes.  No more freezing my a$$ off when I take the dog out if I make that move.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on December 04, 2007, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: HOF on December 04, 2007, 09:21:18 PM
...any of the MIAA guys get any head jobs yet?

A little personal eh HOF?  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on December 05, 2007, 08:20:59 AM
Kalamazoo has announced the hiring of Jamie Zorbo, K'00.   I think it's a great hire.

http://www.kzoo.edu/sports/fb/fb07/fbcoach-zorbo-07.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 05, 2007, 08:36:36 AM
Glad to hear it.

Looks like a good hire, give a Alum. a chance at HC, he has experience, local contacts.

Hope he can improve the numbers first for the program, then add some depth and talent.

keep us posted Stinger.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 05, 2007, 09:37:58 PM
Wow

Anybody checking the Blogs, and furoms about Michigan football coach

Scary group of posters.'
They all want to fire Martin and act like anybody but LM is a travesty.

I am a fan of sports but these folks give fans a bad name.
Alot like way to many of the OSU fans when you go to Columbus LOL

But seriously, Mich will get a good coach is LM the right guy or a great coach I do not know but Wow the headline news on ESPN and all the pundents act like U of M killed somebody and ,messed up the hiring.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 06, 2007, 09:57:24 AM
Count me among those that support Les Miles, but these guys are crazy.  One look at mgoblog.blogspot.com (http://mgoblog.blogspot.com) makes me ashamed to be a Michigan fan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 06, 2007, 09:02:21 PM
Bulldog


You want to see fans that will make you embarassed to be from the State of Michigan

www.Mlive.com pick a subject Mich.FB / MSU FB/ HS Football/ News etc...

Scary did we let all the 12 years have access to these sites?

I swear it is like middle school playground mentality on there.
Mixed with a feew guys whom actually want to discuss a topic or share some info.

Glad this site is pretty above board with real comments.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 06, 2007, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: bulldogalum on December 06, 2007, 09:57:24 AM
  One look at mgoblog.blogspot.com (http://mgoblog.blogspot.com) makes me ashamed to be a Michigan fan.

Agree, but I have to admit, his website response to the Appalachian State loss was absolutely classic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2007, 12:56:34 PM
Today let us remember our Soldiers and Sailors who lost their lives at Pearl Harbor and those who survived the attack in our prayers and thoughts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2007, 12:24:38 PM
My apologies for the "off" postings here, however, here are a few "potpouri" comments:

1) Congratulations to Jamie Zorbo on being named Kazoo's next head fb coach.  I agree with you guys in that it is a great hire.  Before hearing that announcement, he is one person that had come into my mind - an alum may just be the answer to start things out.  It is a fantastic opportunity for him, especially a young, enthusiastic coach as he is.  I wish all the best and hopefully, we'll see Kazoo improve back to the momentum that Rogers had going (I hope that, except against Hope, of course! ;D).

2) What a fantastic hockey game last evening as Hope defeated Calvin College 4-3 at the Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids in their annual game there.  A great contest with much action, paticularly in the 3rd period.  There was a huge crowd there, well over 2000, probably in the 3000-4000 range (not sure of the exact count as yet, however, Calvin sold over 2000 tickets it was my understanding - in one year, there was upwards of 8,000 people at the game; they always have it right after a Grand Rapids Griffin's game of the AHL, which helps attendance, however, it is well supported by Hope and Calvin fans anyway).  Hope and Calvin need to join Adrian and make these officially varsity sports as everything is run that way already, including use of the college's team bus by Hope, a very generous allowance by the administration.  The only disappointment I personally had was not being at the Hope basketball game where Tom Renner (longtime Hope SID and MIAA SID/publicist) and his wife were honored at Hope's DeVos Arena for their distinguished, longtime, unselfish service to Hope College with the DeVos' media center/press box being named in their honor.  I would have liked to be there, however, had purchased hockey tickets quite some time ago.  Anyway, congratulations to Tom and his wife for a very much deserved honor and many thanks as well for their service.

3) Looks like the weather will be a little better for today's semi-final DIII fb games.  I suspect that we'll see a Mt. Union vs. Wis Whitewater Stagg again. as eveyone else does as well, although one never knows.

4) Quite an interesting process occuring with the search for the next U of Mich fb coach.  Did anyone really expect Rutger's coach to leave for that?  I didn't, especially after the latter gave him such a great deal following last year's success and this year's as well, and especially since he is from New Jersey and has many family ties there as reported.  Right now, I don't have clue or idea as to who would be best for U of Mich.  DeBord and English are on the list, however, I'm not sure they would be the best choices at this time (or perhaps they are! ;D.  Local newspaper reports this AM that English is on the list for Arkansas).  Keep watching!

5) I suspect Grand Valley will keep rolling today towards another National DII title.

6) Don't forget about the Heisman selection tonight.

Hope you all have a nice Saturday today.  I'm off to do some Christmas shopping, errands, etc. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 08, 2007, 02:19:46 PM
As to hockey, the only disappointing thing for me about Adrian's hockey team this year is that we haven't scheduled some sort of game--exhibition or otherwise--against Hope and Calvin.  The Bulldog hockey squad has been very good in their first year, it would be interesting to see how they stacked up against more established programs like Hope and Calvin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2007, 06:22:25 PM
bulldogalum:

Yes, I would have liked to have seen that happen as well.  I am not sure as to the official NCAA policy on such situations i.e. if a game that a varsity team schedules with a legit club college team that is administered in the same manner as a varsity program under the auspices of the particular school (such as Hope or Calvin) can be counted as a regular season game or if it has to be designated as an "exhibition".  Either way, I agree with you that there should be no reason why Adrian couldn't have done that early in the season, especially since it is their MIAA "brothers".  Same goes for them in lacrosse, although I think we (Hope) have scheduled them for a scrimmage early in the lacrosse season, even though they have left the CCLA for DIII independent status in their inaugaral year.

Swithing topics here:  as predicted by most, it will be a repeat "Purple" Stagg Bowl (can anyone say "three-peat"? :) ;D) as Mount Union and Wis-Whitewater both won today.  I am wondering if it will be a closer game in the Stagg this year though.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2007, 06:35:20 PM
Actually, by Mount standards, UWW has played close games in both previous Staggs: 35-28 in 2005 and 35-16 in 2006.  Rather than continuing the trend (35-4 seems an unlikely final score!), I'll predict a Raider win by somewhere between the previous two margins.

Any likelihood that hockey and/or lacrosse will become official MIAA sports in the foreseeable future?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2007, 08:08:25 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

You are probably right in regards to your Stagg Bowl predictions for this year, although I would not put an upset out of reach of WW, unless they have an early "implosion" like most teams seem to do against Mount Union.

As far as hockey and lacrosse becoming MIAA sports, I don't see that as happening anytime soon.  One of the main reasons is that Hope, Calvin and Albion are the only other schools in the conference that already have teams in hockey, with Alma having lacrosse.  I don't see the other schools having the means to add hockey at least in the forseeable future (Olivet, Alma, Tri-State and certainly not Kazoo).  A four team "MIAA hockey" league could be formed (similar to the UAA in football) if these other 3 schools (Hope, Calvin, Albion) were to elevate their hockey programs to varsity, however, I see them most likely choosing to be independent status at least at first, yet indeed playing each other on their schedules.

Realistically, lacrosse would have a better chance at becoming a league sport right now were it not for Title IV.  I say lacrosse being in a better position for this because 1) Adrian and Tri-State both are varsity teams now, 2) both Hope and Calvin have both men's and women's teams already, and 3) Alma and Albion have men's teams but could possibly be puruaded to add women's teams.  The overall cost of starting up a lacrosse program is obviously much less than hockey.  Yet, it is my understanding that the Alma administration decreased its fairly substantial funding support to the lacrosse program last year, while Hope kindly increased its support significantly (as I'm sure everyone knows, as club status, the colleges contribute some financial support while the majority of it has to be provided/fundraising by the players and their families and other outside support with college having control of the program as if it were full varsity status).  I'm not trashing this system, because something is better than nothing, and the collegiate club hockey and lacrosse programs have national championships run by national organizations essentially administrated and overseen exactly like the NCAA.   

One potential scenario would be that lacrosse could be sanctioned by the MIAA for men only and then the MIAA starting up women's field hockey for all schools again (the latter sport was dropped several years ago, but with its big history and tradition in the MIAA, I've heard talk among the various rumor mills that that might be a possibility, although personally I doubt it.  I see the MIAA as preferring to add the same sports opportunities for both men and women rather than the hypothetical I mentioned above.

IMO, I don't see any of the other schools being able to establish hockey programs or lacrosse programs right now, so I think it will be quite some time before they become league sports.  Yet, again, Hope, Calvin could do independent teams as varsity for hockey and lacrosse right now with the former having the best chances I believe as the programs are essentially "all in place in all parameters" right now with full coaching staffs, equipment, use of facilities, transportation, etc., etc..

All that being said, I would love to see it happen.  Perhaps the other schools and the MIAA as a whole are waiting to see how Adrian and Tri-State do for a couple of years.  We'll keep campaigning at Hope though. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 08, 2007, 09:59:09 PM
formerd3db:

From everything I have heard and read it would appear that Schiano isnt going to leave Rutgers unless the ideal situation should arise.  Everything I know of points to him staying at Rutgers until Joe Paterno takes his final bow and the Penn State job opens up.  That i believe is the goal he has for himself. Michigan is in some trouble they are getting snubbed across the board right now and it would seem a bad fit to hire a mediocre MAC coach or to promote from within on that staff.  I found it interesting that Brian Kelly let it be known that he didnt want to be at U of M before they even decided to contact him.   I said that the Michigan job had lost much of its presitge the last several years and a friend of mine told ,e that "there are 116 Division I coaches who would kill for that job" its looking now like thats not the case.  I think the diminished reputation and the fact that U of M is second fiddle in the Big Ten now but refuses to admit it is going to scare coaches off the pressure is to high for what it is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2007, 11:52:10 PM
DAWG:

I agree.  One surprising aspect is that Kelly now not interested, although I'm not sure Michigan would have gone soliciting him.  From what I heard, they were not interested in him, at least initially.  Indeed, it will now be interesting to see who does get the job.

Right now, I'm watching the DII semifinal with Northwest Missouri State vs. our Grand Valley State.  GVSU appears in trouble of not advancing to their 3rd consecutive DII title game, but still a lot of time left.  It sure does look cold there, however, a very good crowd despite the weather.

Speaking of NCAA division titles, the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly DIAA) will have a great game next week with Delaware vs. Applach. State.  Former DIII Rowen coach and Delaware alum K.C. Keeler has this Delaware team back for another title try (already had won one there his first year after being blanked in the Stagg at Rowen in DIII i.e. the "Buffalo Bills of DIII" ;D).  Again, I think that will be an exciting game although suspect Applach. State will win another title.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Knightstalker on December 09, 2007, 01:44:06 AM
From what I have been hearing on ESPN and reading in a couple papers, Michigan is not ponying up the cash.  The way things are in D-I now, you need to pay a ransom for a good coach.  Either pay or go for someone from a lower division that you can get on the cheap.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 09, 2007, 02:40:14 AM
Well, I don't want to get into the business of rumor mongering about the Michigan job, but I'll say that what I've heard comes from what I consider to be reputable sources, and I have heard that the stories being reported are not 100% accurate about the Schiano situation and the Miles situation.  Sorry to be so vague, but I really don't want to go any further publically.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 09, 2007, 03:09:21 PM
bulldogalum:

Totally understandable and, indeed, there are always "behind the scenes" aspects that do not get accurately reported.  I do think, however, that all of us can agree (like Knightstalker alldues to) that it almost always comes down to the $, as unfortunate as it is.  In reality, there is no valid reason for that, but "that's the way it is" in today's society.

In talking with a very reliable source person who I know personally today about the Michigan situation, I truly have no idea who will next be a considered candidate.  I guess we just "stay tuned"!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 09, 2007, 10:28:28 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to add hockey as a varsity sport Hope, Calvin and Albion would have to add a women's varsity sport.........correct?



Michigan---everyone has a source and nobody's 100% right about anything
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2007, 10:30:21 PM
Not necessarily -- there is more than one way to be in compliance with Title IX.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 10, 2007, 04:35:48 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2007, 10:28:28 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to add hockey as a varsity sport Hope, Calvin and Albion would have to add a women's varsity sport.........correct?



Michigan---everyone has a source and nobody's 100% right about anything
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2007, 10:30:21 PM
Not necessarily -- there is more than one way to be in compliance with Title IX.

Pat is correct, however, from what I know from reliable sources, at least some of those schools would want to do it that way i.e. add a women's sport.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 10, 2007, 04:36:52 PM
sac:

You are right about sources, too! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 10, 2007, 04:48:21 PM
Hey Pat Coleman:

BTW, I should know this but can't remember (due to old age or stupidity or both ;D :o).  Does the NCAA have a roster limit for the DI bowl games similar to the other division championships and playoffs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2007, 09:20:07 PM
Who are any of you picking for the games this weekend?

FCS (formerly DIAA) Applach. St. vs. Delaware (my pick = Applc. State)
Applach St. is a great team and Delaware is a very good team; although I would like to see Delaware win, I think the former is too strong.

DIII Mount Union  vs. Wis Whitewater (my pick = probably Mount Union, although an upset by WW not impossible, but probably improbable ;D)

DII Northwest Missouri State  vs. ? (I forgot ;D :o ::); however, after seeing NWMS dismantle Grand Valley State last weekend, my pick = Northwest Missouri State.

On other tangential topics, wow, what a week with the "coaching 'go-round" across the country.  Very interesting, if not entertaining...to some extent! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 13, 2007, 10:03:43 PM
D3DB

I agree App St. will win this weekend. Solid team regained focus after U of M buzz wore off.

Valdosta St vs NW Miss in DII:  NW Miss. looked very good last week.

DIII MU over Wis. Though I am hoping for the upset, just to give the rest of us some hope  ::)

I am not really to worried about whom Michigan hires, it will be a quality coach and half the people will Love the choice the other half will whine.
Hang tight because it still may be Les M. Something does not smell right with all his contract and the comments from LSU.

We need some quality coaching rumors or transfers to discuss.
Possibly some recruit info.
Dont these MIAA coachs get DUI's, or get caught bribing some stud Player LOL ;D

Not much on my end except I know some players that probably will be going to 2 different MIAA schools.  A QB/DB and a LB/TE No comments until they confirm. Both very solid players and very good Academically, nice fit for DIII.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2007, 10:47:56 PM
D306:

I think you might be right about the Michigan situation.  But if it doesn turn out that way, you know that the LSU people (both administration and fans) will be extremely upset similar to the Atlanta Falcon's owner, players and fans over the Patrino fiasco. ;).  At this point, I really think Michigan would be better off not hiring Miles regardless due to how the situation has transpired over the last 2-3 weeks.

Indeed, we need some "fodder" i.e. good topics to discuss for our MIAA now that the "off-season" is near.  As many have discussed on the other boards in past years, it is difficult to assess recruiting at DIII schools until the players actually show up for pre-season camp in August, except in situations such as you describe i.e. where we might personally know about some of the potential recruited student-athletes.

Speaking in a general sense, I will still be interested to see how Zorbos immediate recruiting at Kazoo goes over this winter now that he is set in as the new head coach.  Same goes Livedotti at Olivet - they might need to "reload" a bit.  As far as Tri-State (uh, I mean Trine U ;D)), it will be interesting to see if they can continue to build on the momentum and improvement they made this year, although their hc seems to be one who can get it done. I don't usually worry about Hope, Albion or Alma (or even Adrian) because they obviously have the appeal to draw enough talent and in #'s (and do), although after Albion's down year, that might be a slower process; then again, maybe not.

BTW, yes thanks for the reminder that it is Valdosta State as the other team in the DII final.  They are usually pretty good also, however, if NWMS plays like they did last Saturday, I again agree with you that the latter will win.







Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2007, 10:49:56 PM
Clarification:
My second sentence in the preceding post was meant to say... if it does turn out that way... (i.e. Miles going to Michigan).  Sorry.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2007, 11:47:01 PM
During the FCS Championship game tonight, ESPN is reporting that now one of the candidates for the Michigan job is Rich Rodriguez of West Virginia.  Wow, I hope he doesn't get the job - I am not a fan of his.

With regard to the above game, Appalch. State is just too strong a team for Delaware, although the latter in reality had at least at least one TD robbed from them by the officials.  While the officiating crew was not a factor in the outcome of the game, they really did a poor job unfortunately.  However, what was even more shocking, was the lack of class shown by severa; pf tje Appalch State players (Delaware had a player or two also, however, the most offenses were by the AS players) - and there is no excuse for that.  Moreover, the NCAA is going to have to take some serious steps regarding security and crowd control at these championships games because the ending of the game (last 4 minutes) was absolutely a very dangerous situation with the crowd rimming the sidelines, in the teams' space, etc.,  very, very dangerous.  The Chattanooga stadium security was simply overwhelmed.  Appaclh St has an extremely talented team and now a "mini-dynasty" in FCS being a 3 time consecutive champion, however, aside from their head coach and his staff, a disappointing performance otherwise tonight.  It kind of almost ruins it.  And...ESPN announcing tonight for the game, I would rate "fair".  I hope tomorrow's championship games DII and DIII are more fun and conducted better for everyone.  Just MO. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2007, 11:50:12 PM
Clairification:
When I said "fair" regarding the ESPN announcing, I meant fair as opposed to good or great, and that was with a veteran crew, which their performance IMO was surprising given that fact.  They did redeem themselves quite a bit at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 14, 2007, 11:55:04 PM
formerd3db:

Why not a fan of Rich Rodriguez?  I think he would mark a huge change for the program, many things would be different and there would be some huge changes in terms of personnel and style of play.  The West Virginia offense is one that with the right players and speed the Big Ten would have a hard time contending with, also one that you dont see to often.  Rodriguez has shown a great ability to recruit some very talented players as well as a ton of speed to WVU, something that is sorely lacking at U of M these days.  The Pro Style offense that Michigan has been running is good, but lacks imagination and creativity which in the end is its undoing, the stubborn insistence that they can run the ball on anyone and the lack of any real game breakers has hurt Michigan for years.  Even though I am not a Michigan fan persay I was excited to hear that Rodriguez's name was being mentioned for the job, I think he would bring a new attitude and a complete change of system and style in Ann Arbor. 

On another note, I think the coach that Michigan would really liked to have had is Mike D'Antonio.  If Lloyd had opted out one year earlier I think he would have been there man.  He is a Big Ten guy who understands what needs to be done to win, he has great midwestern roots and has proven to be a successful coach.  Michigan State got a great hire in him and I think he will do a fine job of turning MSU around over the next several seasons.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2007, 12:05:50 AM
DAWG:
It goes beyond the "X's and O's".  I know someone whose brother was an assistant coach with him at several schools, including on his staff at WV, and from what I was told, he is not very nice to work with.  Some would say..."well it was that way with Bo and Woody", however, there is a trust issue apparently.  While his enthusiasm and style would be something that Michigan could use as you mention, IMO, I don't think he is a good fit for them in regards to the personality aspect.  I won't say more.  We'll see what plays out.  Personally, I hope Mich takes a little more time and interviews more candidates - while obviously you wouldn't want this to drag on into late January due to the recruiting aspects, they do have a little time yet, I would say through the holidays.  Why rush just to make a decision?  No need to.  They obviously want to (at least that has been their tradition) look for a coach who will be there a long, long time so certainly one would want to take whatever time is necessary to evaluate all parameters in a coach.  On the other hand, that does not seem to be how it works these days in the football coaching profession.

D'Antonio would have been a good choice.  Do you think, however, that they would have taken a former OSU coach (and former Mich State assist??!)  ;D :)Just kidding, as one of their current assistants is a former Michg State assistant as you know.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 15, 2007, 01:03:01 AM
If Dantonio were available this season, and Bill Martin called to talk to Dantonio, the conversation would have gone like this.

Mark Dantonio:  Hello

Bill Martin:  Hello Mark, this is Bill Martin from Michi.....

Mark Dantonio:<click>

No way in haddes that man would ever have coached at Michigan.


Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 14, 2007, 11:55:04 PM


Why not a fan of Rich Rodriguez?  I think he would mark a huge change for the program, many things would be different and there would be some huge changes in terms of personnel and style of play. 


Mike Mundy transferred from Michigan to WV this past season and he said the biggest difference was in the off-season training program.   Judging by UM's lineman and such, I take that to mean WVU has one, UM doesn't.   Rodriguez's players are always in shape, very physical to go along with his progressive offensive philosophy.   

The only knock I think I've heard about him is #1) He's had success vs a Big East schedule and lost the 2 biggest games in WVU history that both would have put them in the BCS  #2)  He's recruited some less than character kids to WVU, not sure he'll get away with that at Michigan, but then he probably won't have to take as many recruiting risks.  Other than that I think he'd be an acceptable hire at UM.  Its not as if Bo, Moeller and Carr were sunshine on a cloudy day to deal with.

If Rodriguez does get the job, there will be a whole bunch of out of shape Michigan players getting very nervous......and they won't play soft under him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 15, 2007, 01:26:15 AM
formerd3db:

Bo was an OSU guy, thats worth noting so I dont think that would deter them, MSU may have more so.  I know from a story Coach Lyall once told me about Les Miles, who actually was thinking of interviewing for the MSU job when it was open, however U of M made it clear to him that if he even interviewed for the job he would never coach at U of M. 

I think the biggest thing that will hinder Michigan in its search is that I dont feel that it is willing to open the wallet.  They have gotten by for years underpaying Lloyd Carr and I dont know that they necesarilly want to pay the market rate (4million for Saban) for top level coaches. 

Sac:

I agree with you on the physical condition of the players at WVU vs. U of M.  West Virginia's players down to the OL are lean and fast, while Michigans OL have leaned up the last several years they still seem drastically outmatched by top level DL's.  The Big East schedule and the losses are a detrement, but that is something that any coach (except Kheres) has on their resume.  The character is an interesting topic but I agree the low charecter kids he has taken in are a result of him having to recruit Morgantown West Virginia and that schools amazing tradition(sarcasm).  Needless to say even with the slight decline(public perception) of Michigan players still want to be there.

Your comment about alot of out of shape Michigan players getting nervous reminds me of something Dan Dierdorff said during Bo's memorial service.  It was in regards to Bo taking over at U of M, Dierdorff saw him in the offices for the first time and walked up with a big smile and hand out to shake and said "coach Schembechler its great to have you. Bo responded by grabbing Dierdorff around the waist and saying "Youre fat, youre lazy and youre mine." That was when Dierdorff knew things were going to change.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2007, 10:21:22 AM
Sac:
That is true (re: Bo, Moeller, and Carr), however, when you have assistant coaches who are colleagues with a guy making some comments about character, that raises a some questions for sure.  I'm just saying that if I were running the search, I would look around a bit more as I mentioned.

DAWG:

Great stories.  Also, Bo was more of a Miami OH guy thatn OSU, but you are right there have been connections before.  But if they said that about Miles, then would they have said the same thing about D'Antonio if he had ever been interested in the job?  On the other hand, he was somewhat removed from his OSU and MSU days being the head man at Cincy.  But alas, all that is a mute point right now.

BTW, what did you guys think about the Appal. St/Delaware game last night and the situation(s) that happened?

Also, predictions for todays Stagg anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 15, 2007, 11:47:42 AM
formerd3db:

I didnt catch much of the App St game, all I saw was a little bit before halftime at which time App St was up big and it wasnt looking good for Delaware.  The crowd situation is a problem at that level or any level, even high level DI I just dont think that there is any way for the limited security staffs to maintain order if the students and fans in the stand choose to come on the field.  There are just to great of numbers for that to happen, however by the same token I dont understand the infatuation with rushing the field, it is the teams win let them enjoy it let them celebrate its not about you.

Today for the Stagg Bowl:

Id love to say that I thought the third time was going to be the charm for UWW but I just dont think it is.  Mount is to strong, to experienced and to confident.  I think it will be a good game, not a blowout as some finals have been in the past, but in the end I think Mount will win by about 14-17 pts to secure their third back to back to back set of championship under Kehres.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 15, 2007, 12:23:30 PM
I've had enough Appalachian State for my lifetime, thanks. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2007, 01:45:39 PM
sac and DAWG:

Newspapers report today that WVa's president says that he and administration have no knowledge (at least as of earlier this AM) of Rodriguez talking to Michigan officials about the head coach position.  He also said that they had not been asked by Michigan officials for permission to talk with Rodriquez nor had Rodriquez said anything to them about permission to talk with Michigan and if he had already talked with them, then they would be really surprised at such an action by Rodriquez.  Rodriquez said today in a pre-bowl game practice press conference that if any reporters asked about the Michigan situation, he would immediately end the press conference.

Humm...what does that tell you about Rodriquez?  I think my coaching source colleague might have some credibility in what was related about Rodriguez (not that I doubted him, however).  The saga continues... ;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2007, 01:49:55 PM
I should have clarified my post to say that..."if that is true, what does that tell you about Rodriquez?"  On the other hand, if it is not true, what does that tell you about WVa's president? ;)  And what then, was Rodriquez doing in Toledo?  Perhaps he was visiting some relatives ::).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 15, 2007, 11:35:33 PM
Just got done watching the Stagg Bowl on DVR after getting out of a terrible day of work.  I was very happy to see that UWW was able to get over the hump and get that team a win after falling short so close to the top the last two years!  I will be on the road off to florida in about 3.5 hours which should be nice, hopefully the snow isnt to bad and things go well, if they do I may be making a move to Florida which isnt so bad!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2007, 11:48:38 PM
DAWG:

Yes, the Staff outcome was a surprise to many, but a very good game.  Nice to see UWW finally come out on top, especially for those who were on the team and came in 2nd the past two years.  Anyway, drive safe and be careful with the weather.  Hope you have a good time down there and good luck with your job search.  Keep us posted. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2007, 02:52:14 PM
Michigan has a new coach

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2007/12/breaking_news_rodriguez_to_be.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Oval on December 16, 2007, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2007, 10:28:28 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to add hockey as a varsity sport Hope, Calvin and Albion would have to add a women's varsity sport.........correct?


Calvin has more women's sports than men's right now (no football).  I see indoor T&F and Lacrosse as the next sports added to the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on December 16, 2007, 03:28:17 PM
Quote from: Oval on December 16, 2007, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2007, 10:28:28 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to add hockey as a varsity sport Hope, Calvin and Albion would have to add a women's varsity sport.........correct?


Calvin has more women's sports than men's right now (no football).  I see indoor T&F and Lacrosse as the next sports added to the MIAA.

Indoor track?  No way in the MIAA.  Calvin is adding a competition track but Hope skipped it when they build their new place and Albion's is 180m three or four lanes.  I see hockey before indoor t&f.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2007, 03:35:15 PM
sac:

If that report turns out to be true, then I will be very disappointed for several reasons.  I guess we'll all find out tomorrow AM.  Very surprising that Martin would leak that to the reporter of that article, when Rodriguez remains "tightlipped". ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2007, 03:39:31 PM
Flea and Oval:
I believe that lacrosse and hockey would have the inside tracks (no pun intented ::)).  Also, though, as I previously mentioned, for women, field hockey might turn out to be a distinct possibility they would consider bringing back in, somehow to balance this Title IX thing, if necessary.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2007, 03:41:39 PM
Its pretty much official.

http://mgoblue.com/football/page.aspx?id=12116


No truth to the rumor that WVU's hockey coach is the #1 candidate to replace Red Berenson when he retires.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 16, 2007, 04:04:16 PM
Well, regardless of whether this is a good hire or not, it seems as though Michigan has officially found itself a new rival.  Pretty sure folks from WV will not be happy about UM stealing a head basketball coach and an head football coach in the same calendar year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2007, 04:20:31 PM
bulldogalum:
I think you are right, especially if it was down "not above board" as it appears to have been done from the scant reports that have surfaced so far.  I thought Michigan was going "to do it the right way".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 16, 2007, 09:28:33 PM
I think it is a good hire for U of M.
Shows they are aggressively looking to be more active on the field and off.

I think any major college is under incrediable stress to hire a coach now, look at the circus that was this process. Most of the issues were media created, they all think they have the inside scoop. Sorry it is a process, and when you second, and third guess every call and movement things look bad.

I swear ESPN and the sports stations are sometimes the worst thing that ever happend to sports. Bad stories, players playing for TV time on sportscenter, showboating, Baseball highlights are strictly, HR and no story. Has our attention span really become 3 seconds, or 20 seconds for a complete topic?

My only concern for Michigan is that the academic standards do not go down. We all know they have had some questionable admits, but in the big part they have a first class program. I do not want SEC, Big East, Big 12 type troubles.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2007, 10:37:27 PM
D306:

I agree with you about the ridiculous media circus that always occurs during these situations.  I realize that we cannot believe everything that is printed and/or said in the media, however, do you really think Michigan would procede in talking with a head coach from another school without permission from the latter's administration as has been reportedly said by the WVa president?  As I said before, if that did occur, Bill Martin and Sue Coleman do not have the intergrety that many believe they do (i.e. a first class program per your terms), or at least should have, which I think most of us would agree, putting "looking to be more active on the field and off" aside.  Do people really want to do it right or not? ??? ;)  Personally, I hope those reports of "non-permission" which appeared in yesterday's papers are false.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on December 16, 2007, 11:22:47 PM
I'm with you, formerd3db:

My biggest concern in this coaching search was that Michigan find a coach that acts with integrity, and respects the Michigan way of doing things.  Turns out I might have been well advised to look for an athletic director and university president more in line with those qualities as well.    Anytime there is a change like this, you'd have to be lacking in some capacity if you were not at least a little nervous.  I don't know if this is a good hire, but I hope it is.  We'll find out soon enough I suppose.

Also, fair or not, this hire will likely define Bill Martin's tenure as athletic director.  He's done a lot of good things for the school, but if it turns out that Rich Rodriguez brings dishonor to the program in any way, it will severly tarnish the Martin Era of Michigan athletics.  Likewise, if Rodriguez runs a great program, Martin will be mentioned in the same breath as Canham.

At any rate, it will be interesting to see what the next few months bring.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2007, 12:10:56 AM
What troubles me is that Bill Martin said he didn't contact Les Miles 'til after the SEC Championship (by which time it was too late) because he promised the LSU AD that he wouldn't.  For that he took tons of grief, but I thought "good; ethical decision".  Now WVU claims he never sought permission (he says he did and got it).  Someone is lying, and (for Michigan's sake) I just hope it is not Martin.

On a related note, I wonder how long 'til someone brings up the Michigan - WVU = Yankees - KC A's parallel (or isn't anyone else as old as me? ;D).   New WVU hiring slogan for the athletic department: Miami of Ohio claims to be the 'cradle of coaches', but they're just generic; WVU is the 'cradle of Michigan coaches'! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 17, 2007, 01:05:51 AM
UM-Morgantown  :D ;) ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 17, 2007, 06:58:57 PM
I am under the understanding that U of M did contact WVU prior to talking to RR.

At this point I am more concerned about transition.

Michigan always hired within the family so everything is new, I think to some extent that is a good thing.
IS RR the right guy, all you ever know is he has a good history with building teams, he has won with his guys and others.

Has anybody done any looking to see who, has what coming back in the MIAA?

I will do some reviews before I comment on 2008.
Then it still will be a crapshoot,  ;D
It's not like I was perfect with my predictions this year.
Not bad year but missed a few picks, that hurt.

By the way have a great Holiday folks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2007, 09:17:31 PM
Well, they might not want to be so hasty as to call it U of M - Morgantown after Coach B's Michigan guys lost to Central Michigan in basketball over the weekend.  While I like to see the "littler guys" beat the "big guys" on occassion, that was not a great aspect in the "building block" for restoring Michigan's bb program (it was like Grand Valley State beating Mich State this year - too bad it was labeled an "exhibition game" and not counted/scheduled as a regular season game - but, oh, we've discussed those aspects in the past so I won't bring up and get into that discussion - like DIII Wheaton almost beating Northwestern at the buzzer last year - a great game!).

Seriously, though, you all make good points.  D306, you are right that transition now is the step at hand since it is a done deal now.  However, I will again say that it does matter as to who is telling the truth regarding who contacted who or not and when and IMO, that should be made public.  If the media circus jerks make such a big deal about trying to "get the scoop" first, then they should pursue this and find out who is telling the truth.  I will be among the many waiting to see how Rodriguez now does - I still don't care for him based on what I've been personally told and also seen in the past.  Time will tell.

D306, yeah, we'll all have to do some digging and find out about the MIAA returnees and as recruiting progresses over the winter.  Problem is though, in most cases, for the new recruits, everyone doesn't really know exactly how it will turn out until they see who actually shows up for the first day of pre-season camp, even if they have a decent list of "committed" recruits.  Should be interesting, though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2007, 09:23:02 PM
Oops!  Clarification!  In my above post, I forgot to put a  ;D in after my comment about Morgantown in the first sentence as well as "However" should be in bold in the second sentence, second paragraph instead of the sentence before. Sorry::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on December 18, 2007, 10:55:04 PM
In talking with some guys at the local watering hole a rumor was flying around that Rickett's from Hope also interviewed at Bluffton University last week.  So two MIAA guys up for the job?  Wow...that is pretty cool, unless your the Hope fan! :P :P

So is Hope going to lose a Defensive Coordinator??

Any word on those jobs???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 19, 2007, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 17, 2007, 06:58:57 PM


At this point I am more concerned about transition.

Michigan always hired within the family so everything is new, I think to some extent that is a good thing.

Perhaps ignorance on my part, but curious as to Bo's previous links to UM when he replaced Elliot?  My recollections were Barberton High, "Mother Miami," Grad Asst at OSU under Hayes (Moeller was a captain of that championship team), Presbyterian College, back to Miami as HC, and then UM.  Am I missing something in between?   Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 19, 2007, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on December 19, 2007, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 17, 2007, 06:58:57 PM


At this point I am more concerned about transition.

Michigan always hired within the family so everything is new, I think to some extent that is a good thing.

Perhaps ignorance on my part, but curious as to Bo's previous links to UM when he replaced Elliot?  My recollections were Barberton High, "Mother Miami," Grad Asst at OSU under Hayes (Moeller was a captain of that championship team), Presbyterian College, back to Miami as HC, and then UM.  Am I missing something in between?   Thanks!

1952 Ohio State assistant
1954 Presbyterian assistant
1955 Bowling Green assistant
1956-1957 Northwestern assistant
1958-1962 Ohio State assistant
1963-1968 Miami University
1969-1989 Michigan

He made Michigan his own.  If he's like any other person from Ohio who played and coached for Woody I doubt he had much affection for Michigan untill he got there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 20, 2007, 10:21:40 AM
HOF:

Word is that Klotz has decided to take his name out of the running for the Bluffton job, seems to still be a lack of commitment to the program for a coach to go in and make it a winner.  Had not heard the rumors of rickett, but that would be odd to see a new face on the Hope staff.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2007, 07:06:47 PM
DAWG:

Please clarify re: Bluffton atmosphere.  I must be dumb or something ( ;D ::)) as I missed that Bluffton was in the search for a new head coach.  I assume that Brooks was fired after this 1-9 season for them or did he just resign.  I couldn't find anything on their website about this.  As I recall, he had been there for many years as an assistant before taking over the head job when their longtime former coach "retired" 4-5 years ago or so.

It will be interesting to see who takes that job. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2007, 11:30:51 AM
Despite the glutance of DI bowl games. some of which are rather boring (although I'm sure not to those players involved), last night's Hawaii Bowl game between Boise State and East Carolina was actually a very exciting game.  It came down to the wire.  Certainly, Boise State is a good team and it is good to see their new coach continue the great improvement and success their program has had the past 3-4 years.  However, it was also good to see the East Carolina program get a win like that.  East Carolina historically, IMO, has kind of been like a Central Michigan, but has made great strides in recent years to become much more competitive at DI.  While they'll perhaps not ever be perennially as strong as even as "newcomer" Boise State to that category, it was exciting to see that kind of game.  There is always a good contest or two each year that emerges out of this crazy, over-expanded bowl lineup. :D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2007, 02:27:53 PM
Merry Christmas to everyone.  May you have a wonderful time with your family and friends.  Safe travel to all those who have to do so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 24, 2007, 08:23:11 PM
I would also like to wish a very Merry Christmas to all and a blessed New Year!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 29, 2007, 02:10:43 PM
What do you guys think?  Good move for Jim Collins going to D II Saginaw?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 29, 2007, 08:53:43 PM
ACRULZ:

As I mentioned in my post regarding this over on the OAC board, I do not doubt that this was a difficult situation for Collins to decide.  While he obviously felt very passionate about his time at Capital and his commitment to the student-athletes there in DIII, sometimes opportunities present in life that you make a decision to change.  I'm sure his decision was similar to Creighton's from Wabash in that you get a direction that "this is where you are meant to be" - that can only come from one source.  Of course, I'm sure the financial considerations come in to play for he and his family, and while I don't know the details, I would not be surprised if his package was better than what he was getting at Capital.  He also had some previous ties in the mid-Michigan area per history (see the announcement/bio that is posted on Capital and SVSU's webs).

So while Capital's program is left in great shape from Collin's hard work, dedicaton and direction, obviously it is a loss for them, but a gain for SVSU.  For sure, going to DII presents somewhat of a slightly different approach as far as recruiting student-athletes, however, I would have to believe that Collins has his players' longterm life and educational interests at least on equal basis with their football aspects, if not slightly above, the latter for the time they are players for him.  I think people can expect to see him do well in leading the SVSU program and building on their recent better success.  As has been mentioned by many on these boards, SVSU has been closely chasing GVSU, and although having some good success, not quite able to get to that next tier in advancing in the DII playoffs when they've made it.  SVSU has a great stadium and facilities, good following, good recruiting base and has many alums in the NFL (one who was not mentioned on their website is Eguene Maurve, from Flint, who played for them back in the last '70's-early 80's and is a NFL player agent).

Finally, not much was mentioned in the press up this way about Awrey's dismissal, although I think SVSU handled it with class.  In today's paper, it mentioned that one of the NCAA infractions was his paying apartment rent for his two sons, who were players for him on SVSU's teams.  I obviously do not know the details of that situation, and while perhaps he thought that since he was a parent and coach of the program that somehow there might be an exemption for that; at least that's how I took it from what his attorney seemed to be "implying", or perhaps I was reading into it.  Nonetheless, all of us knowing basically what is allowed and not allowed by the NCAA in such aspects, I can't for the life of me understand how he could think that and/or if so, at least inquired about it from appropriate sources before doing it.  Sounds kind of "fishy" to me ;D.  In view of the implications and investigations, it appears that SVSU had no other choice but to not renew his contract.

Anyway, I wish he and his family the best in their new situation, and also the same to whoever Capital chooses as their next head coach to lead their fine program.  One of their longtime assistants might be at the top of their "short list" some are saying.  It is tough for a DIII college to play in the "backyard" of a big school like Ohio State, but Capital has done quite well in recent years in upgrading their program in many respects, including some nice facilities. 

Sorry about the long posting in response to your question, but "that is my take" on the situation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: K-Mack on December 29, 2007, 10:44:17 PM
That about sums it up.

I usually think people are ganging up on the NCAA before they know the facts, but if that's true about a parent, in any capacity, not being able to pay his sons' rent, something is wrong with the rules.

Maybe they could have said it was from the Mom?  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2007, 05:42:13 PM
What's the latest on Jones possibly going to WVa?  I wouldn't be surprised if he did go, although, tough on CMU in then having to get a new coach, the 3rd in recent years.  They do have their problems trying to get someone to stay.

Also, interesting discussions on the other boards about the DIII coaching searches going on for Wabash and Capital, the latter of which we have discussed a bit.

Anyway, Happy New Year's Eve and Day to all of you and may I reiterate what some of our colleagues around here have already done: be safe tonight everyone and don't do anything stupid.  Remember, the Designated Driver rule!  That being said, I hope everyone has an enjoyable evening and day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2008, 05:08:16 PM
Oh, what might have been if Henne and Hart had stayed healthy! :o

The game would have been over a lot sooner if not for 'Butterfingers' Hart! ;)  Geez, the guy already had a fumble in September of his freshman year; did he have to do it again (and again)?  I wonder if anyone tracks that stat: 1002 touches between fumbles has got to be the all time record. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: joepieters on January 01, 2008, 05:17:36 PM
Tremendous effort by the Wolverines.

Great way to send Lloyd Carr out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 02, 2008, 12:40:08 PM
Despite not being a Michigan fan in any sense of the word I was happy to see Lloyd go out with a win as he has been given a great deal of negative press, and reaction from the fans that I feel is unwarranted for the job he did at U of M.  That being said, if I was a U of M fan I would certainly be upset after watching that game.  Why on earth did lloyd and his staff wait until their last game to open up with a spread offense, they looked great and were able to outpace a fast SEC team and still assert their dominance up front.  As for the defense, maybe if English had used such an aggressive attacking scheme in some of their earlier games they wouldve had a better record for the year.  It was two different teams from the first twelve games to that bowl game and a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 02, 2008, 02:52:53 PM
I didn't really think UM's play calling was any more agressive than usual, it was just executed for a change..........passes were caught that had been dropped.....blocks that had been missed were executed.........passes were accurate that had been inaccurate........all year.

There were some nice twists, and things Michigan hadn't done much of all year, but mostly they executed.


As for the mighty SEC speed, somewhat of a myth to me really.  Michigan's debunked that 7 times in 10 bowl games and were only overmatched in that department by Tennessee (who probably should have been in the BCS title game that year).  Whenever an SEC beats a big 10 its because they were so fast, but when a big 10 beats an SEC.......speed is not the reason? ?, and thats just wrong.  Michigan is plenty fast, they just don't use it as well as they need to, and thankfully that is changing my friend.

Nothing sums it up better than this.......
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and this........
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2008, 03:41:23 PM
DAWG and sac:  I think it was a little bit of both.  Michigan did seem to have a few "razzle dazzle" plays they normally don't do in games, yet at the same time, they did finally execute plays better and especially when they needed to (and for once, they covered the tight end and those little or semi "dink" passes out in the flats, etc.).  Their pass rush was great finally, although they did miss nabbing Tebow several times, yet that is not unexpected since he is indeed a great player.  Save for Hart's two fumbles at the goal line/in the endzone, Michigan would have been up more and it not been so much of a "nail biter" near the end. 

While I like Urban Meyer, I am disturbed that he doesn't rein in some of the "shennaigan showboating" that his players tend to do (I'd like to see some of the other coaches start doing this).  I realize one can't totally control that emotion in some of these kids and I'm all for expressing emotion and happiness when scoring a TD or making a great player, whatever.  However, do it with class with regard to this showboating stuff, I have to agree with Herbstreit on ESPN when he said the same thing about USC's player who did the "flip into the endzone" - i.e. "if he were the coach, that kid would have been benched for the remainder of at least the half".  That is similar to what Schembechler and other used to do when even their star players performed some good old fashiioned football "fumbles" , showboating notwithstanding.  Anyway, it was a great game to watch regardless of who one was rooting for, although as a Michigan fan, I'm glad they won a game like that for once - and especially for Carr and the outgoing coaches as you guys have mentioned.  It was also nice to see many of the fans holding up cards saying "thank you, Coach Carr" - a nice touch of class by fans for once. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2008, 03:45:18 PM
Oh, also sac:  great photos in you last post - really neat! :)

BTW, Happy New Year to everyone and best wishes to you all for a blessed 2008.  "Keep the faith" in whatever life may bring your way this year, including any tough times.  But let's hope the latter are few. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2008, 03:46:56 PM
My favorite 'trick play' was one that, alas, didn't work - the attempted lateral to Jake Long.  Geez, that would have been the most fun since Refridgerator Perry! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2008, 03:52:12 PM
Yeah, even my wife thought that was a fantastic play.  She and I were kind of laughing, not AT Long, but just at the play since he made such a tremendous effort to jump and try to catch the ball!  He jumped as high as he could, being turned somewhat backwards as you recall.  But, for sure, like you say, that would have been a great play had it worked.  I'm glad they tried it; heck, there is no reason not to have some fun in these bowl games by having teams throw in some of these trick plays.  (Quite frankly, I'd like to see more of that done during the regular season, although understandably, the steaks/risks are higher for obvious and various reasons then as compared to the bowl game genre ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 04, 2008, 05:20:13 PM
Happy new Year Folks

Just returning from a long trip, so been off site for a while.
Wanted to say I am very happy for Coach Carr very decent man, good to see him go out on a winning note, against an SEC team, as we are always told they are faster and better Athletes. Nice win in what was basically a home game for FLA.
As usual an Urban Meyer team no class.

I for one would Love to see coachs bust a few of these players back to "prep squad". I have no problem with an honest excitement and sharing the joy of a important score with your teammates, but stomping on others logo's burying flags on others fields, jumping up and down and celebrating a tackle on random plays, smacks of no class and me first, no team mindset or discipline.

I know I am "old" and "stuffy" / "not keeping it real" or whatever I will be called, oh well it is a young mans sport. I still enjoy watching and following teams.

The playoffs should exciting as there is a wealth of what looks to me marginal teams, anyone could win any game except for  NE, INDY, not sure I would include Dallas after that a crap shoot on whom is hot and who gets turnovers.


I am picking OSU over LSU in another "home" game for the SEC.
LSU does not impress me, and like him or not the "sweatervest" is alsways ready to play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 06, 2008, 10:41:44 PM
I don't think I can yet qualify as "old and stuffy," but I too think it's absurd what these players get away with.  Frankly, I can't for the life of me understand why a player would feel the need to call that kind of attention to himself--you just scored a touchdown/got a sack/caught a pass for a first down, 1)that's what you're supposed to do, and 2) even if you're in it for personal glory, isn't simply accomplishing the task at hand the best way possible a good enough way to get attention?

Personally, I'd rather just hand the ball to the official and try to score another one.  Jeeze, I haven't been out of school for a full 3 years yet, and I'm already way behind the times.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2008, 10:59:59 PM
Quote from: bulldogalum on January 06, 2008, 10:41:44 PM
I don't think I can yet qualify as "old and stuffy," but I too think it's absurd what these players get away with.  Frankly, I can't for the life of me understand why a player would feel the need to call that kind of attention to himself--you just scored a touchdown/got a sack/caught a pass for a first down, 1)that's what you're supposed to do, and 2) even if you're in it for personal glory, isn't simply accomplishing the task at hand the best way possible a good enough way to get attention?

Personally, I'd rather just hand the ball to the official and try to score another one.  Jeeze, I haven't been out of school for a full 3 years yet, and I'm already way behind the times.

Or, hopefully, ahead of the times!

Maybe I'm living in a bubble, but I sure hope that these "look at me, I did my job!" inanities are a passing fad.  ("Geez, dude, congratulations!  Another week before you start saying 'would you like fries with that?')

The above may be the fate of (some) failed d1 players - it is NOT supposed to be the case with  d3 players. :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 07, 2008, 08:37:32 AM
Random thoughts>

So who else is happy for The "G"Men and Eli?

I am tired of all the negative comments about the guy.
He is a pretty good QB, he just is not Payton, such is the "curse" and blessing of coming from such a great football family.

So who will be the Lion's QB after Kitna gets run of town next year?

I am glad the Lions do not have a high draft choice. Alot of money and pressure to make another poor choice, also they can not ruin Jake Longs career as he will be gone by the Lions choice and we obviously do not take linemen or we would have Joe Thomas for the next 10 years. Who is the overrated WR or undersized DB but is "fast and has a nose for the ball" we are taking this year?

By the way the primary is coming up in Michigan. You have to LOVE the wide array of Democrats on the Ballot. LOL What a joke the political process has become. Elections have nothing to do with whom is the right "person" for the job, but what political hack in the newspaper and special interst group you can get to promote you. Thanks lets all follow Oprah and Obama, he must be great Oprah likes him. Oh wait he never has done anything, do not let the facts get in the way, the media loves the guy.

Did anyone notice the Red Wings? They are playing very well, and OZZY is like Eli mentioned above. Very Solid and always criticized. Hope he gets the shot in the playoffs. he has earned it.

Enjoy the BCS game tonight, I will stay with OSU in a close game. While the annoucers fall all over LSU in the pregame shows.

Sorry I must be in a "smartass" mood today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 07, 2008, 01:53:01 PM
"With the 15th selection in the 2008 draft.......The Detroit Lions select.........(pause).....(<whisper>, is this right....you sure)..........The Detroit Lions select.....Colt Brennan, Quarterback, Hawaii."



PS...sure feel bad for the Patriots, I mean just 2 months after picking up another Super Bowl, you get stuck with a #7 overall pick.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 08, 2008, 08:37:00 AM
SAC


LOL

Please not another QB that is a system and lack of competition ( makes him look good) QB. Though nothing surprises me about the Lions lack of focus.

Wow the Buckeyes layed an dud again. I was surprised just how undisciplined OSU was last night. I guess all the questionable and JC transfers OSU has came back to bite them. I missed that guess as I thought OSU was going to show up and win a close game.

I would say SC, GA. were significantley better than LSU. LSU was not that impressive, some fast defensive lineman, nice mix on playcalling.

I see Adrian is heading to italy for a game this year, anyone else heading overseas? I think that is great for the school.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 08, 2008, 12:15:19 PM
I was plenty impressed with LSU, they're two triple OT losses away from being mentioned among the best in college football history, and thats exactly what people would think of them had they won those games.   They overpowered a team that had overpowered everyone else.

Every year someone has a compelling argument to be there, but Georgia got smoked by Tennessee and lost to South Carolina.  USC lost to Stanford, Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech.  West Virginia lost to Pitt, etc.   Bottom line no team was going to satisfy the lust for a true national champion, and playoff wouldn't gauruntee it either (Villanova anyone)

Maybe we were all robbed when Dennis Dixon hurt his knee.


As for OSU, the old Dennis Green soundbites never rang more true for me.  Just substitute Buckeyes for Bears and picture Lloyd Carr.........add a few "wells" if it helps.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cDAq5tyfk9E


New Buckeye logo, can't take credit for it but I thought it was amusing.

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 08, 2008, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: D306 on January 08, 2008, 08:37:00 AM

Please not another QB that is a system and lack of competition ( makes him look good) QB. Though nothing surprises me about the Lions lack of focus.


What was I thinking, they already have Drew Stanton.  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2008, 12:32:35 PM
OB, let's be honest, that's hardly an original thought.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2008, 06:41:17 PM
Can't quite agree with all you mention OxyBob ;D

Regarding your inquiry...let's see...how about Virginia Tech (and Oklahoma)? ??? ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 08, 2008, 08:04:09 PM
If I am not mistaken GA. and Oregons losses were in direct correlation to Major injuries.

The (way to long off) time off between season and bowls let most teams get healthy. Also some lost focus and got fat, or lost coachs and direction.

I know U of M could also claim the same, except for the App St nightmare.
They were improving all year fighting off the injuries that cost them the Wisconsin and OSU games. Oregon just smoked them while they were down and were way to polished for the U of M defense early in the year.

I concur OSU was overrated and LSU was very good, I just believe at the end of the year SC and Ga, were the best teams.
Played real teams during the year to prepare and won convincingly their bowl games. LSU did do the same though.

I guess the same "we need a playoff" applies.

Actually I had no problem with the OLD bowl system, Bowl games were just a reason for kids (players) to get a vacation, and fans to have an excuse to travel somewhere warm and watch some football over the Holiday's. Why do you think U of M, OSU, Notre Dame (until they flat out stunk) etc... always go to bowl games (and often go to bowls that might be considered over their record that year. Certianly has been Michigans problem the last few years.) Northern Big Ten fans travel and spend money in host towns.

The importance of bowl games now has certainly been raised, a lot of money and recruits at stake.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2008, 10:07:06 PM
D306:
I have to respectfully disagree with you to a degree.  As I said, LSU is a great team and deserved to win the game.  However, IMO, OSU was not overrated.  Anyone of those teams that will be in the top 10 or so could at one time or another had a shot at the national championship and were good enough to win - at any given time i.e. sometime.  The key is...just that i.e. when is that given time?  By that I mean they all faultered at some point in the season and you could, in a sense, compare that to when the Red Wings, Tigers and Pistons all crushed and dominated their opponents in winning the regular seasons in recent years, but unfortunately hit a slump at the wrong, inopportune time i.e. in the playoffs.  Same goes for these bowl games - at least for this year - some of the teams peaked, while others faultered OSU, Georgia, Michigan, Florida, LSU, etc., etc.  While LSU is a strong, great team, OSU could have beat them with a few breaks and less stupid mistakes - but alas, you don't win games by "could have, should have, if, etc. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on January 08, 2008, 10:57:29 PM
I agree, formerd3db--I was amazed by the stupid mistakes made by Ohio State last night, yet even well into the second half, it felt like they had a chance to win the game (this from someone who makes no bones about being anti-Ohio in general).  LSU played better and made fewer mistakes--they deserved what they got, a national championship victory. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 09, 2008, 11:44:14 AM
D3DB

I think we are not far apart on this.
I also had thought OSU was going to win the game, prior to the game and even after they started a little come back.
Way to many stupid penalties and mistakes.
I still think OSU is a good team, (not #1, maybe I should not have said overrated, though technically Being rated #1 was overrated) LSU out played them and  looked to be the better team that day and through out the year played better competition.

I take nothing away from LSU, I just thought at the end of the year if there was a playoffs GA, SC would be the best teams.

Did you see Rich Rod brought (6) Strength and Conditioning coachs with him.
any of the misconception that U of M is fat and slow will certainly be changing with that type of emphasis.
I do not believe the faster and better Athlete arguement I believe it is level of total team talent and speed that makes a difference and coaching. Individually I think there are numeorus Big Ten Players that are fast and Athletic I do also think that many Warm Weather schools have greater team speed, and a more aggressive game plan. Make big plays and take big risks, that is why the scores are always higher for both teams in other conferences.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 13, 2008, 05:08:24 PM
bulldog and D306:
Yes, I think we're pretty much of the same opinon on the OSU game.

BTW, any thing "newsy" about fb at your MIAA schools, either recruiting or coaching?  Usually not too much news about this time for any of the DIII schools, but also particularly since it is January. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on January 13, 2008, 05:45:02 PM
I spoke with new FB coach Jamie Zorbo at the men's basketball game last night. He seems very excited to be back in Kalamazoo and realistic at the challenge at hand.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 13, 2008, 07:31:28 PM
stinger:
Thanks for the info.  As was discussed briefly before, I think that Zorbo being an alum is just exactly what Kazoo's program needs.  His enthusiasm, youth and experience in coaching already will be big +'s IMO, even more so than the previous coach Brooks, again, primarily since Zorbo knows the school, administration, the "atmosphere" and what needs to be done and how to go about it in that atmosphere.  I'm hopeful and wishing him all the best.  Keep us posted on what you hear occasionally.  BTW, did he mention anything about his staff i.e. any changes, additions, etc.??  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 14, 2008, 08:19:38 AM
Not much new as far as recruits though I know 2 players heading to the MIAA. 1 very solid and going to play with his brother whom already is playing in the MIAA. The second really comes down to if he wants to play DII or attend DIII, he has DII offers but thinks the education and course work he is looking at is better in the MIAA.

Nice to hear Adrian is heading overseas for a game.
Wish Albion would schedule a game, price is not to bad and it allows extra practices, and team building, great for a young team. I think from a growth stand point educationally and emotionally it is also a bonus for the players.

I am pulling for Kazoo to regain some focus and be competitive, long time  MIAA member and a quality school, students and players deserve better.

So how is everyone's team doing in off season training?
DIII is tough to keep a high quality off season program, some players need something over their head to keep them focused and improving each week.

I am glad for Eli and the G-MEN, he has been taking a lot of heat and now they have their shot at a legend and the chance for a Super Bowl game.

Pat's in a walk to the Super Bowl, then we will see whom they play.
Brady was his usual self, and the play calling was solid. Chargers are to banged up to handle the Pat's at home in the playoff's.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 14, 2008, 01:40:55 PM
D306:

Indeed, it can sometimes be a difficult choice with regard to the aspects you mention i.e.  DII vs. DIII for many student-athletes and their families.  Anyway, I wish the two young men you mention all the best.

Regarding overseas games:  for sure, those can be a wonderful experience for the teams.  Alma has done that in the past also, several years ago.  Many "positives" as you mention, although the one drawback can be the cost.  While the colleges usually have some $ to put towards such a trip, the players and their families usually have to come up with the bulk of it.  That can be very expensive, depending on a number of factors (location, air fare, accomodations, etc., etc.).  I believe (and please don't quote me on this) that, for example, for Elmhurst's trip last year, it was about $2000 per player or slightly more.  I recall for Alma, it was somewhere between $1200 and $1500 per player, although that was several years ago as mentioned.  Obviously, the NCAA has rules/regulations overseeing these trips, yet it is a great opportunity for those who able to go.

Tangential topic:  regarding the NFL yesterday, some surprises (San Diego), some not (Dallas).  Most likely as you said, New England will probably reclaim their title, although as we know, anything can happen.  To be honest, I'm not really an NFL fan, so only follow this peripherally (i.e. I like to see the DIII and DII and DIAA players) - like the college game so much better (except for the ridiculous shennigans that take place in DI ;)). 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on January 15, 2008, 06:56:15 PM
The Elmhurst trip to Italy last year was closer to $2300-2500/player, which is why only 20%-30% of the team made the trip.  Our punter actually saw time as a MLB on defense!  He had a great time playing a position he wouldn't normally play.

The players had to pay most, if not all (not sure) of the expenses for the trip.

Formerd3db is right on the experience.  Had I been given the opportunity to go as their radio broadcaster- I would have jumped at the chance.  Also helps to be 50% Italian.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 16, 2008, 08:41:31 AM
I happened to be looking through the "open dates" section of D3 football and noticed that Olivet has all September dates open.  I'm sure a lot will happen between now and September ... but that seems a little odd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 16, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
Foreign Travel is a great thing for a program, not only from getting the experience of a different culture and different country, but also the opportunity for spring practice.  I was part of two overseas trips one to Spain as a player after the 01-02 season at Adrian and the other as a coach, to Ireland after the 04-05 season.  The opportunity to get your players in pads and have 10 full practices with them is extremely helpful as it gets some of your players who may have been backups but are no going to be starters some great experience with the system and also allows a great opportunity to watch some of the freshman you may not have had a chance to in the fall.  Both years following the over seas trips Adrian saw large improvement, in 01-02 Adrian was 2-8, 02-03 Adrian was 6-4(*7-3) in 04-05 Adrian was 5-5 and in 05-06 Adrian posted an 8-2 mark on the year.  Needless to say those trips did pay dividend. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 17, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 16, 2008, 08:41:31 AM
I happened to be looking through the "open dates" section of D3 football and noticed that Olivet has all September dates open.  I'm sure a lot will happen between now and September ... but that seems a little odd.

All of the September 2008 dates for Olivet have been filled.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 01:31:05 PM
One of the reasons we made changes to the open dates board was because schools were not doing their due diligence in letting us know dates had been filled. This meant the board was out of date and less useful.

Now schools will get e-mail reminders periodically with their dates and will have access to remove them from the board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on January 17, 2008, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 13, 2008, 07:31:28 PM
stinger:
Thanks for the info.  As was discussed briefly before, I think that Zorbo being an alum is just exactly what Kazoo's program needs.  His enthusiasm, youth and experience in coaching already will be big +'s IMO, even more so than the previous coach Brooks, again, primarily since Zorbo knows the school, administration, the "atmosphere" and what needs to be done and how to go about it in that atmosphere.  I'm hopeful and wishing him all the best.  Keep us posted on what you hear occasionally.  BTW, did he mention anything about his staff i.e. any changes, additions, etc.??  Thanks.

I didn't dig in much about staff. We were at a function after the game and it was Zorbo, Eric Soulier and Coach Nickert.   I am pretty sure those two will remain. However, I wouldn't be able to confirm any of that.
Title: Tri State Football Upgrade
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2008, 04:54:27 AM
You can watch the progress of the new football field / athletic complex at this web link...

http://www.tristate.edu/tsustadium/

Here are more details...

http://www.tristate.edu/news/TSU-News-upgrade-sports.cfm

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2008, 07:11:49 AM
Looks chilly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 23, 2008, 12:14:32 PM
Great to see Tri-State expanding, great for the school and the league.
They certainly have a lot of momentuem in the school.
I expect TSU will be moving up another Notch in the MIAA next year.

I think the MIAA will be very competitive next year, not sure there is a clear favorite at this point.
My wish always remains the same, have a MIAA playoff win for whom ever represents the conference.
Conference has to get a playoff win, I think more out of conference big name teams and tough pre-league play is key.
Not sure if the conference will ever get back to the point of being a real playoff powerhouse.

What does a University have to do to get to the level of play required?
That is the question I throw out for a topic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 24, 2008, 12:19:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2008, 07:11:49 AM
Looks chilly.

If you want to talk about chilly, take a look at the webcam at our new facility.

http://www.olivetcollege.edu/construction/events_center/live_image.htm

The construction crew has been putting the roof on the building this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 25, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
Indeed, the new facilities being built at Olivet and Tri-State (Trine) will be a great addition to their campuses and athletic programs.  With TSU getting the new artificial turf for its fb field, joining Olivet, Adrian and Alma, I think its time that Hope, Albion and Kazoo seriously think about those options.  Anyway, thanks for providing us with the updates...and like Pat said, yes, it sure does look chilly out there.  I'm glad I'm not one of the construction workers having to work out in such cold conditions! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on January 29, 2008, 11:26:03 AM
Wheaton has filled a 2nd slot in their non-conference schedule for the 2010 and 2011 seasons.  They will be playing Albion again after a 2 year break.

So they now have UW-Platteville and Albion on the schedule for 2010 and 2011, with one more slot to fill.

Looking forward to competing against Albion once again starting in 2010.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on January 31, 2008, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 25, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
Indeed, the new facilities being built at Olivet and Tri-State (Trine) will be a great addition to their campuses and athletic programs.  With TSU getting the new artificial turf for its fb field, joining Olivet, Adrian and Alma, I think its time that Hope, Albion and Kazoo seriously think about those options.  Anyway, thanks for providing us with the updates...and like Pat said, yes, it sure does look chilly out there.  I'm glad I'm not one of the construction workers having to work out in such cold conditions! :)

I know that Albion has been taking a serious look at field turf.  However, there has to be a justification for the cost and use of more than one sport for the field.  I know that soccer coaches are not big fans of playing on that playing surface. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 31, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: Stinger on January 31, 2008, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 25, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
Indeed, the new facilities being built at Olivet and Tri-State (Trine) will be a great addition to their campuses and athletic programs.  With TSU getting the new artificial turf for its fb field, joining Olivet, Adrian and Alma, I think its time that Hope, Albion and Kazoo seriously think about those options.  Anyway, thanks for providing us with the updates...and like Pat said, yes, it sure does look chilly out there.  I'm glad I'm not one of the construction workers having to work out in such cold conditions! :)

I know that Albion has been taking a serious look at field turf.  However, there has to be a justification for the cost and use of more than one sport for the field.  I know that soccer coaches are not big fans of playing on that playing surface. 

Stinger:

I know what you mean.  I believe it is the same at Hope regarding the soccer players (at least some of them), although I am aware that soccer players at Wheaton like their new style turf.  On the other hand, the football stadium at Hope is an entirely different situation.  Due to the fact that Holland stadium is just not used by Hope but by Holland h.s. (b the area high schools as well, the city will seriously have to further looking into installing the turf at some point in the future IMO (many of the other outlying high schools in the area do).  There has been rumored talk that Hope might eventually purchase the stadium from the city - they've always had a great working relationship.

In addition, the lacrosse team likes the new style turf as well (BTW, Hope's lacrosse team will be playing in Holland Munincipal Stadium for a home game against DII Ferris State University on April 2nd).

Bottom line is:  do schools like Albion and Hope (and in the VERY long term Kazoo) in reality have to "keep up with the Jones's" with regard to new style turf for recruiting student-athletes?  Obviously the other MIAA schools have chosen to do so (have to for survival in one sense) not only in fb, but bb and other sports.  The MIAA colleges have had to upgrade their aging facilities in all aspects, not just sport and we have seen some fine results of that of recent as you know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 31, 2008, 02:32:26 PM
Additional comment:

As to the cost, Albion can certainly afford it.  Their stadium complex and structure is all set as compared to many other DIII schools who have had the expensive additional cost of renovating their entire stadiums (i.e. new locker room facilities, restrooms, training room, concession stands, home stadium seating, vistors stand, etc., etc.).  All Albion would have to do is put in the field - and that cost for the field is usually aroung $555,000 (well less than $800,000 or 1 million+ that it usually costs in those other type of situations).  I am not, however, saying that the 1/2 million is not inexpensive because, for sure, that is a lot of $.  Yet, Albion has good backing and IMO, could easily raise the $ and do it, if they choose to do so in the future.   Besides, I think it would look very classy there, with the old historical stadium walls and the newer renovations they've done to Morely Fraser Field at S-S Stadium.  Of course, as we've discussed before, they do need to renovate and enlarge the press box and that would add to the cost of just installing the field, thereby being more than the 1/2 mil I mentioned! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 31, 2008, 05:49:13 PM
Holland High may use the stadium for football...........but its up for debate as whether they actually play football.  :P



Article here in Lansing says Olivet is looking to hire Holt High School's head coach in some sort of capacity.  Doesn't go into any more specifics than that, but I thought it was interesting.  Holt's had two outstanding years in a row.

Didn't see it mentioned here but Lividotti (sp?) was named the athletics director at Olivet last week.  He'll mantain both the AD and Head Football coaches roll.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 31, 2008, 06:26:13 PM
Indeed, the Olivet appointment and potential hire of Holt's coach were announced earlier this week.  I was going to post that here, although thought that perhaps one of our board's Olivet posters would do so.  Holt's coach has had some excellent teams in the past few years, particularly the last two as you mention.  It would be a loss for them, however, a good gain for Olivet.  He could still live in the Holt/Lansing area without disrupting his family as the commute to Olivet is not that far.   As you mention sac, Olivet's announcement did not specifiy what coaching role he would assume and there has not been any mention of any of the current fb assistants leaving (at least not that I have heard).

So it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on February 04, 2008, 07:19:58 PM
In "keeping up with the Jones's," it appears Alma may be making some much needed improvements as well. 

http://www.alma.edu/news/releases/archives/2008/02/04/facilities

These won't directly affect football, but other programs, especially basketball and volleyball, look to get a boost.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 08, 2008, 06:22:26 PM
It's about time Alma decided to upgrade those facilities.  While the current ones are nice, in reality they are basically like very nice high school facilities (I'm talking about the basketball arena).  Even at the DIII level, in this current and competitive era, upgrading and "keeping up with the Jones's" is important in bringing good numbers of student-athletes to one's school.  Having a "state-of-the art" area with the new style permanent seating, Big Ten-NBA style hanging scoreboards is fine, not only helps with those aspects but also is even more appropriate if it is going to be used for other events at the college and even for events in the surrounding community/city for the general public and many small colleges that have such great working relationships with their towns.  Besides, a new area at Alma should help with their basketball recruiting I would think.   BTW, they really need to step up and proceed with Phase II of their baseball stadium (of which Phase I was done several years ago, but put on hold by the administration) and also they are in need a nice complimentary softball facility for their great softball program (now that Hope has the class facilities of the league for those sports).

In addition, while we're on this topic, on the way for an "out-of-town" business trip today, I took the opportunity to stop by the Olivet campus which was on my way and viewed the progress of their new athletic facilites i.e. Phase II of the Cutler Athletic Complex.  Very nice addition to the Main Cutler entrance of the athletic building and new football stadium.  A nice "traditional" touch with wrought iron fencing, a block entrance with iron arch over it with lettering for the complex name has been added to connect the building and the stadium i.e. at the new ticket entrance.

All they need to do now once this current portion is completed is to finish Phase III, which my understanding is upgrading the baseball and softball facilities adjacent to the arena and football stadium.  Very nice and needed improvements to Olivet's facilities.
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 11, 2008, 12:47:28 PM
In talking with a recent recruit that visited Adrian.  One of the coaches at Adrian that is recruiting this student athlete said that Adrian has made a move to upgrade their non-league schedule.  He mentioned that Adrian is playing Capital for the next two years.  He also mentioned that Adrian is working on completing deals with Wheaton and Wisconsin Whitewater.  If true, wow!!!!  Big upgrade from Bluffton and Heidelberg.  Any truth to this??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 11, 2008, 01:08:58 PM
Adrian does have Capital added to the schedule, that was done a while back and is a definite upgrade over heidlberg etc.  I am a bit out of the loop but I havent really heard of adding Whitewater or Wheaton.  Adrian had the opportunity two years ago i believe to pick up one of the UW schools for its open date and passed it up.  Time will tell, but it would be a good move to test themselves against some top level talent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 12, 2008, 12:37:24 PM
Just got done looking at the 2008 and 2009 schedules for Adrian.  Capital is added, they play Adrian on Sept 6th in 2008 and Sept 5th in 2009.  Adrian has also added Lake Erie, not to familiar with them but Adrian plays at Lake Erie on the 27th of September in 08 and plays them at home on the 26th of September in 2009.  Schedules posted below.

2008 Schedule

Date   Opponent   Time
6-Sep   At Capital   1:30 PM
13-Sep   DEFIANCE   7:00 PM
9/20/2008 Aquaintance Day    BLUFFTON   1:00 PM
27-Sep   At Lake Erie   1:00 PM
4-Oct   KALAMAZOO (HC)   7:00 PM
11-Oct   OPEN   
18-Oct   at Albion   2:00 PM
25-Oct   HOPE (Parents/Family)   1:00 PM
1-Nov   at Alma   1:00 PM
11/8/2008 Aquiantance Day   TRI-STATE   1:00 PM
15-Nov   at Olivet   6:00 PM


2009 Schedule

Date   Opponent   Time
5-Sep   CAPITAL   6:00 PM
12-Sep   At Defiance    1:00 PM
19-Sep   At Bluffton   1:00 PM
26-Sep   LAKE ERIE (HC)   7:00 PM
3-Oct   at Kalamazoo   1:00 PM
10-Oct   OPEN   
17-Oct   ALBION (Parents/Family)   7:00 PM
24-Oct   at Hope    2:00 PM
31-Oct   ALMA   1:00 PM
7-Nov   at Tri-State   12:30 PM
14-Nov   OLIVET   6:00 PM
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 12, 2008, 06:13:54 PM
ADAWG:  Thanks!  I think this was more like 2010 and what not.  Dig into your connections at Adrian and find out.   Don't disappoint...you are always in the loop, I'm sure  ;)

How about all these late season coaching moves in DIII???  Marietta loses it head coach yesterday?  St. Olaf?  The business I guess.

Anybody tell me what happened at Olivet with Shaw being removed from AD and Livo returning??  OC_SID post on the basketball room, maybe he'll advise us more over here.  They are the defending MIAA Champs!   Now the head coach goes Barry Alvarez on us.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 14, 2008, 12:16:00 PM
Alot of changes and nice promotions for DIII coachs.
Nice to see some recognition for the coaching talent.

Off Topic ____  Did anyone else see Albion with the 3 pointer to win on ESPN Top 10 highlights?

All the press DIII can get the better.

Now how about DIII scores at least on the scroll under the screen during football season.

Maybe we can have Albion on Sportscenter scroll if they beat D1AAA Butler in the first game of the Football season. I think last years loss :'( was on scroll of scores.

MIAA scheduled recruit just accepted a IVY league opportunity, good for him great student and quality player. I will leave the name off his brother is in the MIAA football family.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on February 16, 2008, 09:17:48 AM
Is Livedoti going to give up the head football coaching duties now that he is AD (I know press release said he would remain HFC)?

There are rumblings in this area that Holt HS's Mike Smith may be replacing him in the coaching position.

Hard to believe Olivet would pass up Bob Kubiak to bring in a HS coach, hower successful, over him as head guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2008, 01:44:20 PM
blb:

I haven't heard any "inside" info as to the changes going on at Olivet (although I could find out as I know a couple of people who would know - I just haven't had the time to actually do that; or rather I just haven't taken the time ;D.  My own thoughts on this are:

1) I can't imagine that if Lividotti were to step down as HC, that they wouldn't offer it to Kubiak unless he doesn't want it.  Kubiack would be the logical choice since he is an alum and has the experience from his having been a head coach at the hs level for several years.

2) If Kubiack didn't want it, then what about Sparks?  He has been there for a few years now and even though he is a Hope alum, he seems to be well liked by the Olivet players and has the intensity needed. 

3) As far as the Holt Hight School HC, as several of us previously mentioned, the Lansing State Journal did not have any info as to exactly what position was being discussed for him at Olivet, nor did the coach offer any info regarding that - he said it was to "be determined" as I recall.  Yet, I can't imagine that a very successful hs. head coach as he is (and at a younger age) would give up that position to go to a small college unless, he gets a substantial pay raise via the salary (which is not likely at Olivet based on past history) or he is just ready for a change and wants to go to the college level.

Yet, as you mentioned, however, the official info released by the college relates Lividotti will continue in both positions).  It will be interesting to see what happens.

On other topics:  I see where Wabash is putting in field turf for their football and soccer stadiums as well as all practice fields (cost was mentioned on the other board as being around $800,000).  Although we've discussed that topic here of recent, I still wonder when Hope and Albion are going to "cave in" and do the same.  Many schools are going to this for all sports.  Anyone heard any "new" info regarding this?  Of course, as prior noted, the Hope situation involves the City of Holland.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2008, 01:53:15 PM
D306:

Re: the Albion-Butler matchup.  While Butler has been quite poor as a DIAA non-scholarship team in recent years as we all know, with the new staff, they just might be "creeping up" back to when they were more of a challenge in the early '90's.  It might be more difficult for Albion to beat them this year due to that and after last year's loss, although one never knows ;).  I sense that perhaps the Pioneer DIAA schools might continue to improve to the caliber of San Diego when Harbaugh was there, especially with coaches like Creghton formerly of Wabash who is now at Drake.  On a tangent thought, it is kind of neat to see that a couple of the DIAA Pioneer football schools have their DI bb counterparts among the top ranked teams in the country - Butler and Drake.  Good publicity I guess in a sense. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 17, 2008, 04:34:37 PM
I think it will continue that D1AAA schools will have wins in BB and occasionally wins in FB VS. the D1 schools.

In BB 1-2 Players make a team if you have some kind of talent with them.
In FB the "spread" and the reduction in scholarships, along with D1AAA teams getting a little more press helps them draw talent.

Butler is almost always a very good BB team, though correct me if I'm wrong, are they not D1 in BB. I thouight they have scholarships for BB. ( too lazy to look this up right now)

As far as Albion pulling the upset and beating Butler. I am not sure they will, Butler look pretty good last year and has renewed / improved their efforts regarding FB.

Albion was very young last year I hope the "early" playing time for the underclassmen last year plays off this year. There was some speed and athletic talent on the team. Experience and some changes to a few positions, I think precludes this years better showing.  Lost quality OL starters to graduation, ( though experince for young players started due to injuries last year) lost a game changing WR to graduation. Alot of starters or players whom had significant time are returning. Make more plays on 3rd down and get off the field, get a flow on offense sustain drives even if these do not result in points is critical. Defense was on the field way to much last year. I really thought that fact was "owned" on both sides of the ball. I trust experience ( last year) for the young LB core will make a difference this year. I would look at moving some "size" into the LB group, help fill the gap on running plays. I liked what I saw at the end of the season from the DL line most if not all return.
Good RB's coming back as the 2 leading RB's return. QB play should improve as both QB's who saw time were underclassmen, and I would think will return. Lost a very good punter and the TE as well to graduation. Both have been weapons in the Albion attack for all of Rundles coaching tenure, I am sure he will develop a good replacement for both.

Well thats my mid winter man I miss football already ramblings.

Go catch a MIAA BBall game if you can, league is very competitive and entertaining this year.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 17, 2008, 05:03:25 PM
Confirmation to the rumor of Adrian adding UW Whitewater.  There is talk of adding them as recently as 2009, but from what I hear for sure in 2010.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2008, 07:59:29 PM
D306:
Thanks for your thoughts and info.  Very informative and interesting.  Also, yes Butler, Drake, etc. all have DI classification and offer athletic scholarships for those in their other sports.  Their football teams i.e. the Pioneer League are non-scholarship DIAA (or rather Football Championship Subclassification now) - named Pioneer League as that league was the first to go the route of non-scholarship "upper level' football, but with DI in other sports.  Actually (and for those who already know this please forgive me, but thought I'd just mention it), this was eventually the result of the so-called "Dayton Rule" that the NCAA mandated i.e. you can't have DIII football and DI in other sports (with the exceptions of the lacrosse and hockey programs that were "grandfathered" in i.e. Johns Hopkins, Colorado College, etc.).

DAWG:
Hope you are doing well.  What's new with you - are you still in Michigan or still considering a move to FL?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 18, 2008, 02:00:19 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 17, 2008, 01:44:20 PM
  Anyone heard any "new" info regarding this?  Of course, as prior noted, the Hope situation involves the City of Holland.

Right after they figure out what to do with the Civic Center.......should be around 2015.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 18, 2008, 01:48:58 PM
Thanks ADAWG...wow...that is great for Adrian.  They go from cupcakes to being the cupcake...so to speak...no pun intended.  Whitewater in possibly one year, Capital this year.  Is the president saying let's play these guys or is the coaching staff finally figuring out the automatic berth is still there in the end?

From an outsider looking in I'd say all the other sports at Adrian are feeling the heat due to the first year hockey program being a national power.  I mean they bring in a new program, new coach, 25 new first year players and dominate DIII hockey and win the league in the first year.  From what I hear the new president down in Adrian will be saying to the other programs..."look how easy it is."

Any thoughts?

I think the bar if it wasn't already, is now raised.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 18, 2008, 10:34:48 PM
Hope and Calvin (and Albion) already have that i.e. hockey in place and ready to go, if the administrations chose to go to varsity status.  Heck, Hope and Calvin play at VanAndel each year and get anywhere from 5,000 to 8,000 people at the games (although this is either before or after the Griffin's game, but heck so what ;D).  Hope gets up to 1,000 spectators at some of it's games.  Hope has secured the automatic bid to the national championships to be held at Rochester, MN March 13-15 (last year they were at St. Louis, MO and prior to that at Phoenix, AZ).  Yet, I don't see the other MIAA schools even considering adding hockey at this point.

Lacrosse, on the other hand might have a chance at being there first.  Rumor has it that the MIAA has formed a committee to look into it, since Adrian and Tri-State have gone varsity.  Hope and Calvin have women's teams; Albion, Alma are the other schools that have club lacrosse.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 18, 2008, 11:22:29 PM
I'd be really interested to see how Hope, Calvin and Albion match up with Adrian in hockey.  I really have no idea, but I suspect Adrian would do alright--they lead D3 in pretty much all offensive categories.  It would be nice to see the MIAA add hockey and lacrosse. 

I'd be careful about the whole "look how easy it is" mentality, though.  I don't know a ton about DIII hockey, but I know that the conference we play in is not viewed as a strong one.  On top of that, I'd imagine there are far fewer schools that play hockey than play basketball, or football, or baseball at the DIII level.  Thus, recruiting isn't quite as competitive, and it's easier to make a big splash quickly.  This is not to dilute anything the Bulldog hockey team has done this year, I'm amazed by their level of success, but it's just meant to underscore that there may be factors present in other sports that make immediate improvement and competitiveness on a national scale difficult.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 19, 2008, 12:03:52 AM
bulldogalum,

These numbers are rather dated, but as of 2005(?), d3 men's teams:
  basketball  394
  baseball     359
  football      231
  lacrosse     130
  ice hockey   68
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 19, 2008, 07:01:43 AM
bulldogalum...I was meaning the "look how easy it is" comment for the other coaches at Adrian to start winning.  I could see the President saying to coach Lyall..."come on we won a league title in eight months, you can't win a league title in ten years??"  or to the men's and women's basketball coaches..."come on beat Hope and Calvin, it is easy, just recruit better players."

You see....

I have some experience in hockey and was able to watch Adrian play.  They would work over the other MIAA schools.  In talking with several NHL scouts at a Junior tournament a couple of weeks ago.  One said, "what Adrian has done down there is amazing.  They have two potential NHL draft picks on that team and a handful of other great players, DI kids."  So I think it is unfair to judge the other MIAA teams against Adrian.  The level of hockey is a tad higher and if you don't think so get down to Adrian this weekend and watch...I think the playoffs start down in Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 19, 2008, 09:45:50 AM
HOF:

My mistake.  I did get a chance to watch a few minutes on Saturday during halftime of the basketball game.  At that point, it was early in the second period and we were up 7-0, I think it wound up being 20-2.  I really hope they're able to make it into the NCAA tournament (my understanding is that their league's automatic bid doesn't kick in until next year) to see what they're really made of.  My impression is that they may make it, but barely, and would face some of the best competition out there immediately.

Anyhow, I think it plausible that Docking would go to the other coaches and suggest that they could easily follow hockey's lead by recruiting.  I still think it's a bit more complicated than that, as I hinted at in my last post. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 19, 2008, 10:20:10 AM
I'm with you bulldogalum.

So anymore talk about coaching changes?

Albion:  Who did they hire?
Adrian:  Anyone get fired?
Alma:  I heard Liester shaved his head?
Hope:  What is new?
Kalamazoo:  How is Zorbo doing?
Olivet:  Dom doing alright as the AD?  Any news on a car accident I heard Dom was in?  Not starting rumors, but heard he got dinged up in an accident?
Tri-State:  I get worried about the Thunder..nobody has anything to report.

Any assistants leave, get jobs, etc.

How is recruiting??  Heard Alma is getting a DII transfer.  Just what the league needs...another Josh Brehm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 19, 2008, 04:31:56 PM
Bulldogalum: 

Other programs would have a hard time following hockeys success since most sports cannot take advantage of the Canadian scholarship like Hockey can, they are in a unique position to capitalize on some changes at Adrian and it would be my bet that they will not be participating in Division III hockey for long.

HOF:

Just up at Adrian today and the faces all seem to be the same so I think jobs are secure at the moment.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 19, 2008, 05:00:42 PM
DAWG:

Agree wholeheartedly on all hockey-related points.  Hope things are well with you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2008, 06:24:48 PM
HOF, bulldogalum and DAWG:

HOF, I am not doubting your points regarding the calibur of Adrian hockey because I have not seen them play.  However, I know some Hope hockey parents who have and they said it was good.  On the other hand, have you seen Hope or Calvin play?  I have and it was very good hockey.  Overall, they might not have the full talent of hockey players that Adrian has, yet they are no slouches.  The goalies at both Hope and Calvin are excellent (and so is Northwood's) and they could definitely play at a higher level.  The game at VanAndel was a "dog fight" and some of the best hockey I've seen, including at the DI level.  Anyway, should Hope and Calvin (I would say Albion has a way to go before they get to either of those two school's caliber of play) decide to go "varsity", it would not take them long to get to Adrian's level.  You have to remember, this is still DIII hockey and with no scholarships, the playing field (uh, excuse me ice) is in the "parity level", despite being able to get some Canadians cross the border to Adrian because of the close proximity.

One thing I have heard about Adrian hockey is that the Canadians they've recruited have caused some trouble re: the underage drinking problem.  That does not appear well for Adrian and I hope they take appropriate measures to prevent further problems and keep those players and their actions accountable and under control.  They may be "legal" in Canada, however, it gives them no excuse for such actions here in the USA and the MIAA. 

DAWG, as far as Adrian going up to another level in hockey in the long term future, I doubt it (if that is what your post was alluding to).  I believe there is an NCAA "grandfather clause" for DIII schools having DI hockey programs (i.e Union in NY, Colorado College).

All of the above, just MO, of course ;) ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 19, 2008, 07:00:16 PM
Sorry this has turned into D3hockey.com...haaa.

I think all points today are great...nice job...we woke up the board...just with hockey talk...haa.

I also found out Adrian has some interesting things going on in that hockey program:

Canadians get free tution.  They have to pay for room and board, but I also heard many of them are on Canadian aide thus many are paying peanuts to go to Adrian.  My buddy said three kids that are freshman turned down DI $ because the package at Adrian was cheaper.

President loves hockey, "favorite sport" my source says for Dr. Docking.  He said the hockey lockerroom has plasma tvs, wii's, surround sound, big wooden lockers.  He said it is "DI" as it can get down there. 

Back to football:   What there is nothing???  Come on...

Any other interesting schedules released yet??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 19, 2008, 07:06:39 PM
Smith retiring as Holt football coach
Geoff Kimmerly
Lansing State Journal


Holt football coach Mike Smith will retire as a teacher and high school coach at the end of this school year and take a coaching position at Olivet College, Holt athletic director Rick Schmidt confirmed today.

Smith has been rumored to be taking a job at Olivet since confirming he was in talks with that school last month. He will be an assistant coach.

Smith will be recognized for his Holt accomplishments during a ceremony between Thursday's home junior varsity and varsity boys basketball games, at approximately 7 p.m. All in attendance will be invited to talk with Smith afterwards.

Smith has a 133-57 coaching record since 1989, including his stint with the Rams since 1994. He's also been a head coach at both Dansville and Eaton Rapids and played at Michigan State from 1971-75.

Holt finished 11-1 last season and hasn't lost a league game since 2004.

Schmidt said the football coaching position will be posted in the next week to 10 days and that he'll move quickly to fill it.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 19, 2008, 07:56:37 PM
HOF:

Hadnt heard the stuff about the fancy locker room for Hockey, but ther football/performance stadium locker room has some of those perks as well, from what I have heard.

Hockey is president Dockings favorite sport, he played through highschool and tried out at MSU but didnt make the cut, that has never been a secret about Hockey being his sport.

Regarding Canadians not paying tuition from what I know it is a 14000.00 scholarship or there abouts for being Canadian but I had heard as well the big time financial aid which was available to incoming Canadians, not a knock on hockey at all but rather a bonus for the program and students coming in.  It wouldnt suprise me at all that the packages Adrian put together were better than some DI offers.

So does this coaching move from Holt to OC indicate that Livedoti will step down as HC or will the new guy simply be taking over some sort of position or coordinator responsibility?  I would imagine if he was stepping down as a teacher he would have to be getting a pretty good position at Olivet.

From what Ive heard Adrian is having another good year recruiting, lots of talent from all over and lots of kids who will be able to come in and challenge some upper classmen.  With the schedule at Adrian looking to be toughening up it would be good to get some freshman in who can cut their teeth early.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 19, 2008, 11:47:38 PM
On the news tonight, it was stated Smith would be taking an assistants position on the Olivet staff "for now".

He will be put in charge of something called "Freshman Retention".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 20, 2008, 10:19:56 AM
Sounds like he can probably retire from the public schools.  He has 31 years in, which is enough to get that retirement.  He can go over to Olivet make his $35-40, which is a nice retirement supplement income.  Plus with two boys at Olivet he probably will get that free school for the boys which doesn't hurt.

He is a good coach and the rest of the MIAA should take notice.  With Livo in charge he is fixing to have a great staff and is really turning things around at Olivet.  They are making a push to become a contender each year.  New facilities are popping up, great coaches...a win-win for the MIAA and Olivet.

That staff at Olivet is pretty good.  Older, proven coaches.  Not a knock against the young coaches in the MIAA, but when you can get good, successful coaches to coach in the small college the experience and knowledge is hard to beat.  I would like a 40-50 year old man who has seen the game and experienced the game versus a fresh young coach out of college.  Those halftime adjustments come easier for the older and wiser.  Just MO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 21, 2008, 05:37:18 PM
From yesterday's Lansing State Journal by Mike Smith

Its not a direct quote but Smith says at the bottom of the article he'd be interested in the HC job in the future.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008802200347
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 21, 2008, 06:49:02 PM
HOF

You had mentioned in this thread listing questions about each MIAA school
regarding Albion you asked whom did they hired?.

Is there a posion open we do not know about?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on February 21, 2008, 08:33:11 PM
D306:

Albion College added two new positions, one full time and one intern type position.  They made a great addition to an already solid staff by bringing Dustin Beurer back to Albion from Morehead State University as well as hiring someone from Hillsdale who's name I do not know to serve as the intern.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 21, 2008, 09:14:46 PM
Thanks Dawg

Thats why you have to love this site.

You ask and you shall recieve.

I looked up Coach Beurer, nice story to see a local boy coming back.
Especially as a former player and coach. Looks like he got some solid experience and completed grad school.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on February 22, 2008, 01:32:56 PM
I don't know if anyone responded to HOF from Tri-State (didn't see anything, but I was scanning the posts very quickly):

So anymore talk about coaching changes?

Albion:  Who did they hire?
Adrian:  Anyone get fired?
Alma:  I heard Liester shaved his head?
Hope:  What is new?
Kalamazoo:  How is Zorbo doing?
Olivet:  Dom doing alright as the AD?  Any news on a car accident I heard Dom was in?  Not starting rumors, but heard he got dinged up in an accident?
Tri-State:  I get worried about the Thunder..nobody has anything to report.

As far as Tri-State goes, they've moved up changing the name of the university to 8/1/08 (originally planned for 6/1/09).  This fall we will become the Trine University Thunder.  Word is that the new field is being installed with the name "Trine" in the endzone, so they had to move up renaming the university. 

As far as coaching goes, I'm very pleased to report that Coach Land and his staff remain. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on February 25, 2008, 01:18:03 AM
Been away for awhile but I have been trying to catch up on the recent discussions.  The Adrian Hockey team is doing very well.  However as far as I know, the $14,000 scholarships are all gone and in actuality they do not receive any other aid from Adrian or the US gov't funds.  Which leaves another $14,000 to take care of.  From what I hear the Canadian hockey players take out loans through Canadian sources to finance their educations.  These programs are things such as http://www.internationalstudentloan.com/canadian_student/index.html.  Not to forget that Coach Fogarty is a D-I guy and used a lot of his connections to find these players.  Also these guys are anywhere from 21 - 23 years old.  Most of them have played junior hockey in some capacity.  So in essence you have grown men playing against 18, 19 year olds. 

HOF, you are entitled to your opinion but I do resent the fact that you single out Coach Lyall.  He may not win as many MIAA championships as most would like, but what he does do is graduate his players and mold fine young men.  Also, whether or not the coaches at Adrian have been fired (which they have not been) or not, is really none yours or anyone else's business outside of that program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 25, 2008, 09:20:31 AM
ACRULZ,

I did not in any way, shape, or form mean to say Coach Lyall is a bad coach or single him out.  I've heard he is the class of the MIAA.  I was just using him as an example on the football board.  So I'm sorry to have confused you.  No doubt that all these coaches in the MIAA graduate players and become a second father to most.  All coaches do in general.  If they don't do those things I think that is a problem more so than winning and losing.  Again sorry to Coach Lyall and the Adrian program if I've came across wrong.   I was just saying that I heard the president at AC thinks winning is as easy as building new stadiums, etc.  Which we all know it is tough to be a champion.  That is why they're special!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on February 26, 2008, 06:14:44 PM
Congrats to Adrian baseball!  Big win over Emory University who was ranked #5 in the country!  HOF, just a missunderstanding on my part, I do agree on your points regarding winning.  Building a new stadium is not a factor that will cause you to win right away.  I think that the prez down at Adrian does not realize how competitive the MIAA is in other traditional sports.  He is a W & J guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 01, 2008, 11:28:36 AM
OK it's been a little slow here on the MIAA board.

So open question?
Is there anyone from the MIAA getting any looks in the NFL combines or real chance via walk on?

MIAA teams are busy with off season conditioning, I see some of the schools have posted 08 Rosters as of Feb. dates.
I noticed some names missing from some teams. Is there some guys that have transferred or are not planning on playing in 08?

lets get the off season and spring practice comments rolling.

Does Albion get back in the upper level of MIAA?

Adrian does all the talk of pressure and expectations lead to wins, or stagnate the program?

Alma I hear talk of a big name DII QB tranferring in Yes / NO ?

Tri-State/Trine do they continue to perform and improve like last 2 years or is the next step a little harder ? New stadium I hear as well.

Hope, does the defense pick up as the offense seems to be solid and a force that last few years?

Kazoo, is the new coaching staff getting the support required to bring Kazoo back to a force? Any talk of Stadium upgrades? The Alumni have money and typically are successful time to put the "arm" on them.

Some are repeat issues sorry just firing up ideas
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 01, 2008, 11:34:06 AM
Right now Trine's football field would make a great dirt bike track.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 01, 2008, 11:36:38 AM
Man I forgot to put Olivet in there and they were only the league champs

Sorry

Olivet so what is the situaction with coach added from Holt?
Is graduation hitting them hard, they seem to have some momentuem right now with Faciluties upgrades as well
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 01, 2008, 11:37:38 AM
SAC

will stadium be ready for the Season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 01, 2008, 02:41:49 PM
I can't imagine that Trine's stadium won't be ready for this upcoming season.  Even though it is a "mess" right now as SAC mentions, they started construction right after the season and it should be done.  At least that's what the "game plan" is as far as the original construction schedule was it is my understanding goes.  If Olivet and Adrian can both get their new stadiums constructed in the same time frame like they did, no reason that Trine won't either, barring some extensive streaks of horrendous weather causing delays (or a construction strike! ;D). 

Olivet's construction to their new arena next to the football stadium is moving right along.

I have not heard any specific info on fb recruiting from the various MIAA campuses as yet - haven't had a chance to chat with coaches I know.  I do know, however, as you say, that the players are gearing up for spring workouts.  I'm sure we'll all hear some news in the near future from the various campuses.

As far as Smith going to Olivet, I talked with some people I know from Holt and they mentioned that he has been considering a "move/change" for the past 3-4 years, so in one sense, it wasn't much of a surprise.  However, I will again mention that, I will be surprised if/when Livedotti steps down that Kubiak wouln't get the position ahead of Smith, since Kubiak is an alumnus unless he (Big K) doesn't want it.

BTW, I hope that we can get some additional MIAA posters to join all of us on this board for this fall.  We need and welcome more from some of the other schools - Kazoo, Alma and even Olivet as we lost a couple from the latters that participated before.  So let's encourage people.

Hey DAWG; what's the latest update on your job/move situation?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 02, 2008, 10:34:41 AM
formerd3db:

No real word from Florida so I don't know what if anything is going to happen there.  I have had some interviews lately with companies in what I would call more of a sales capacity but I'm pretty sure thats not something that interests me so I will see what happens with that.  I have a possible job prospect lined up here in the Adrian area which would be preferable so we will see what happens with that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on March 02, 2008, 12:44:12 PM
The joke around campus at Trine/Tri-State is that they are building a new motocross track where the football field used to be.  However, they moved a lot of dirt this week and I've been told by my son that they're working on the field until late in the evening to try to get it done ASAP.  The goal was to have the lacrosse team playing on the new field this spring but I don't know if that's going to happen. 

I haven't seen any construction on the new football support building (just to the left of the field if you're looking at the webcam), but they still say they're planning to have it open for the 2008 season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 02, 2008, 12:54:44 PM
LetItRain:

Moving the dirt is a huge part of getting that field done.  When we were getting the new field at Adrian one of the most time consuming parts was getting the ground leveled.  Once they do that they can start filling and what not which is a much quicker process.  As for the support building I would imagine it will be semi ready for the 2008 season.  With any building of that magnitude just like the locker room complex at Adrian when you rush to finish some corners will likely get cut that will need to be gone back on during and after the season to fix and finish out.  There were several little problem's at Adrian despite the building having the apperance of being finished as far as I recall it wasn't cleared for occupancy until after the season with the team never even using the new locker room until the very last game.  The field will be one thing, the building will just be icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on March 02, 2008, 05:16:12 PM
I hadn't heard about any DII transfer to Alma, but I'm not really in the loop.  Sounds similar to Josh Brehm a few years back.  A repeat of that scenario would be just fine!  Not that Alma needs a new QB.  Last year MacGrady did very well.  Some say even better than Brehm initially.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2008, 05:45:43 PM
MacGrady is an excellent QB and a great young man.  He had off-season shoulder surgery to his non-throwing shoulder which he injured during mid-season, but should be back fine when the season starts.  I forgot, but where did Brehm transfer from?  I thought he started out at Alma, but like you, I'm not in the loop there ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2008, 05:48:15 PM
DAWG:

Good to hear from you.  Sorry the situation in Florida hasn't panned out yet, but we'll keep pulling for you for either something there or here in Michigan in Adrian as you mention.  Keep us posted.

BTW, have you heard anything about Adrian's recruiting so far?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 02, 2008, 07:18:32 PM
formerd3db:

No specifics, I havent really asked about those.  But I hear they are bringing in a good deal of talent, enough that some returning starters may need to be worried.  The stadium and facilities are still a huge boost in the recruiting area and I imagine will remain so until someone tops them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 02, 2008, 09:10:44 PM
From what I am told the DII QB transferring to Alma is Josh Rouhan he was at Wayne State and was recruited, got injuried, he is at Alma for the Winter Semester already.
Alma already has a good young QB so this could be interesting, I wonder is MacGrady not fully recovered.

I do not know, if these are confirmed facts, just a discussion I had with a co-worker whose son played at Alma several years ago.

I agree with the comments that the new stadium at Adrian is a great recruiting tool.

Albion may have some player movement the Defense has a wealth of quality underclassmen and Juniors in the 08 season. This should be a strength for the next couple years as they recieved considerable playing time last year.
The Academic rating of the MIAA, Albion and Kazoo in particular is gaining attention in the Detroit area, the MIAA should have a good influx of Metro Detroit talent. If the interest I see is indication.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2008, 09:46:30 PM
D306:

Here are some of my random, general thoughts on the topic you discuss.

That is good regarding the MIAA academic reputation becoming more noted in the Detroit area.  Albion has always recruited well from those areas (particularly in years back when Joranko and Frazier were at the helms).  Olivet used to get quite a few players from the Detroit suburbs - problem was for them at the time that much of the recruiting classes only stayed around there for a couple of years and the rebuilding process was not helpful to the program.  However, that has changed obviously in recent years as Olivet has made the commitment in upgrading their football and other athletic facilities as we've discussed often.  They have seemed to recruit more of the outling mid-Mich areas (greater Lansing) in recent years, but perhaps a return to the Detroit suburban schools may happen for them.

Same with Kazoo - perhaps with the new coaching staff and if that administration jumps on board and makes some commitments to upgrading the facilities and the program, with the awareness of the academics, perhaps they'll draw more from the Detroit area.

It would be neat to see some of that for Hope as well, although traditionally, they've usually obtained most of their players from the west side of the state, NY/NJ with the RCA connection, northern MI (Traverse City), some Lansing areas for awhile) and occasional player(s) from Flint or eastern part of the state.

Adrian drawing from Detroit and southern MI (occasionally from greater Flint area) and heavily toward Toledo.

I know that Alma has tried to recruit more in the Detroit area in the past and while they do get a good number of players from that way (many from alumni connections), it has not been the "hot bed school" for players to go to.

I suspect that Trine will continue to draw heavily from IN, although southwest MI may be a bigger draw with their new facilities taking shape (and since Kazoo has not yet got to that latter situation).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2008, 09:49:13 PM
I forgot to mention that in addition to the upgrading of facilities, schools like Olivet and Trine have really improved their academic programs and a wide variety of degress offered it seems.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on March 03, 2008, 05:29:09 PM
Brehm transferred from Michigan Tech I believe.  He was from Ithaca, just down the road from Alma.  Alma gets most of its players from mid Michigan, with some from metro Detroit and a few kids from northern Michigan as well.

This Wayne State transfer sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 12, 2008, 09:40:44 PM
Does anyone know if Steve Wasil Fomer Albion QB is playing FB this year.
I just saw an article that says he has left the team, and Muskegon is looking for a QB.

Did he leave for another team, or decide to stop playing?

Nothing new to report on the Recruit side of things, hear some names but no actual info to share.

Spring Ball starts soon hopefully we can get a feel for a few teams.
Hopefully all the teams will list the returning players as I see Hope and Albion have.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 12, 2008, 10:17:54 PM
Word i have heard on Alma's Wayne State transfer is that he is a books only scholarship kid who from Wayne State.  Very credible sources indicate this.

Brehm was a unique transfer who left Michigan Tech when the school decided to cut funding for the football program and before it was brought back through private funding.  At least thats my understanding on Brehm and the new transfer possibility.  Alma would be very well served to stay the course with McGrady as he is a very good qb and also a dual threat which is a huge asset in their system I.M.O.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 15, 2008, 07:04:55 PM
Looks like Adrian will be getting some form of indoor practice facility.  Apparently now that hockey season is over the ice will be taken up and field turf will be installed.  Its not U of M, but its better than most DIII colleges can offer!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 17, 2008, 11:51:25 AM
The indoor idea is a great use of the building.

Multiple sports teams could get some prcatice time in the building during the off season.

Looks to me like the MIAA is stepping up to the plate with improved Campus offerings.
I think it is required with the cost of College and the way HS look now you have to impress the potential students, not only Academically but Visually as well.

Weather is finally breaking, Spring Ball coming up with at least no snow mounds on the field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on March 17, 2008, 12:03:15 PM
Help me here.  If this is true, how are we gonna put field turf down in the hockey arena and then tear up the field turf in the fall?  Just seems like they'd have to do some old school turf for this to work with all the tires that go into the new stuff.

And if the football team can use the indoor in the spring, wouldn't they want to go outside??  Hockey starts in August right?  So football wouldn't have it for the season, cause the ice would be down??

Help me...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 17, 2008, 03:19:54 PM
HOF: 

Im not to clear on the particulars on how the turf will go down in the arena, i do know the ice is being taken up here shortly so thats gone, however I dont get how the field turf is going into the arena, the turf and rubber etc seems like it would be a hassle.  I heard one rumor that they are looking into how they can make it retractable i.e. the Arizona Cardinals stadium.  That doesnt seem feasible or cost effective on top of the fact that the ice arena wasnt built with anything like that in mind.  Id tell you more if I knew, but I dont know the real specifics.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on March 17, 2008, 03:45:46 PM
ADAWG:  Thanks!  Sounds like a real sweet plan for AC.  I just think it might be watercooler talk, you know??  Whatever happened to the bubble they told all the recruits about a couple of years ago that was being thrown around this board?

Speaking a Brehm?  Did he ever make it?  What about Wallace?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 17, 2008, 07:35:01 PM
HOF, DAWG:

There are ways to have synthetic turf rolled into place for various occasions.  Just depends on if Adrian wants to spend the $ for this.  As to the retractable roof for the stadium as originally proposed and on the architectural drawings, it was my understanding (from sources that will remain unnamed, of course,  ;D) that due to the costs involved and budget concerns (i.e. and in relation to all the other new athletic facilities and upgrades that are part of the Renaissance Program), that was one of the areas that had to be cut from the original design.  However, I also heard (from the same sources) that it could be added in a Phase II, if the college ever decides to impliment that.

While I agree that it would be some substantial cost for turf for inside (although certainly not as much as a full field), it would not be a waste for indoor practices for all the sports including football and soccer (or even baseball and lacrosse) in the spring.  Besides, when school is done for the summer, there is plenty of time between June and August 1st to return the ice in time for the start of late August/early September ice hockey pre-season practice.  In reality, all of this would not be such a bad idea, as many school teams have to end up renting indoor facilities for late winter/early spring practices (of course, again, all this would have to wait until the ice hockey season was completed, but that is not a problem in DIII).  BTW, speaking of ice hockey, Hope's team came in 5th place overall in this weekend's National Championships for the Amercian Association of Collegiate Hockey championships in Rochester, MN.  They lost only one game, but had they won that, it is very possible they might have won the national championship as they beat some top teams. 

As far as Brehm and Wallace, I heard that they played in one of the lower level Arean football leagues, however, I cannot recall where/who I heard that from i.e. can't substantiate it right now.  Perhaps our friend bulldogalum can help us out in that regard.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 18, 2008, 07:02:47 AM
HOF, Formerd3db:

Taz Wallace is finishing school at Adrian right now.  I believe he still has some prospects but he is getting his degree which is a very wise thing to do.  I saw him the other day and he still looks to be in excellent shape if not better so than when he was playing.  Im not sure of his exact future plans, but getting the degree is hugely important and he has always realized that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on March 19, 2008, 09:07:56 AM
Thanks ADAWG.  I wish Taz Wallace luck.  I had a chance to meet him one day and what a class act he was.  You always root for somebody like that to do well.

Is Mike Lewis still playing?  Last I saw on here, it said he was playing in the Arena League 2?

Saw Rich Rod started practice down at UM Saturday.  Hard to believe that another college football season is upon us all.  I love this time of year when it starts staying lighter out longer and the weather temps keep rising.

ADAWG...I also saw on the Adrian website that Coach Rod Marinelli is in town Friday for a coaches clinic, not to mention some great coaches talking as well.  Are you attending the clinic??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 19, 2008, 11:51:56 AM
HOF:

It does look to be a very good clinic at Adrian this year, obviously Rod Marinelli is quite a draw.  The two coaches I would want to hear speak the most though would probably be Jason Mensing, who is a high school coach from tecumseh who will be speaking on the Wing T and then Jim Deere, Adrians DC who is a genius who will be talking about the Adrian 3-4 and 3-5 defenses and how to use them effectively.  I dont know yet whether or not I will be attending there may be some things that get in the way, work etc. but I'd really like to. 

I dont know if Mike Lewis is still playing or not, I just checked the Albany Conquest website where he played last year and he isnt listed on the roster.  Now I do know that he is playing.  Just checked the AFL2 website and it appears Mike Lewis will be playing for the Amarillo Dusters this season in the AFL2.  Congrats to Mike!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 22, 2008, 04:46:12 PM
Taz Wallace Update:

Taz Wallace will be heading to Denmark to play football overseas.  He will be playing with the Triangle Razorbacks, one of the top level teams in the Danish American Football Federation, the Razorbacks actually winning the last two "Mermaid Bowls" the DAFF equivalent of the Super Bowl.  The team Taz will be joining posted a 9-1 record last regular season.  It is a 10 game season over there and the set up apparently is similar to the CFL.  The DAFF has been playing since 1988
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 23, 2008, 07:46:50 PM
DAWG:

While I obviously don't know the particulars other than what you've shared with us, that is probably a good opportunity for Taz, although I don't think one has to go that far away to continue their post-collegiate football career, unless the $ was the "thing".  If one has a chance to do that "once in a lifetime experience" i.e. experiencing another country while playing a sport; if one can afford that in both time (of their lives) and $, then why not?  For Taz and others in similar situations, this is probably the best time to do that - obviously in regards to their age/athletic ability in being able to do so as well as the "timing" i.e. right after finishing their degree.  On the other hand, as we all know, there will eventually come that time when it is realistically "time to hand up the cleats and get on with one's life".  That being said, I wish all the best to Taz in his next endeavor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 24, 2008, 02:45:16 PM
This week I think some of the teams in the MIAA are having spring ball.

I also noted a few teams have the 2008 spring Roster up.

Spring Ball. March madness, spring training all good signs that spring is coming.

If I get the time I am going to review the returning starters for a few teams and get a feel for what teams will be strong this fall. No promises sounds like a good idea time to do so is another story.

That is one thing about College FB you can get a big turnover in league with Graduations and some good recruits, or growth in the young players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on March 24, 2008, 05:41:40 PM
i think hope starts spring  pratice the first week in april
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 24, 2008, 11:25:14 PM
D306:

Adrian has another European trip this spring, Italy this time I believe.  They will be holding their alloted 10 padded practices this spring, not sure if they will be holding the other opportunities with that or if thats not allowed.  All I know is that in the past when Adrian has held the true spring ball practices they have responded with good seasons, so thats a thing to look out for.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on March 25, 2008, 11:26:59 AM
Tri-State/Trine changed the school colors about two weeks ago.  We will no longer be royal blue/white.  The new colors are navy and gold (think Notre Dame).  We've been told that the mascot (Thunder) is not changing, but we were also told that the school colors would not be changing so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I believe the change in the school colors affected the installation of the new football field.  New colors = new field.  I assume the field will be ready for the first home game this fall.

Tri-State/Trine starts spring ball next week (3/31).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 25, 2008, 09:49:11 PM
Wow Trine is making changes name, new field new colors.

I am thinking Trine will have a improved record next year, the momenteum is still spreading.

Like we discussed before on the board. I think the overseas trip ia a bonus all the way around. Good for the team chemistry, good for recruiting, along with the new campus improvements.

The MIAA Colleges seem to recognize the need to upgrade the Campus look and offerings, students have more mobility than in the past the competition for students is fierce now.

Thanks for the news.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Tri-State / Trine will be returning all but 2-3 starters.  I am sure Coach Land will have a good recruiting class, even though Pryor left him hanging until he slipped away to Ohio State.   ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 29, 2008, 01:13:07 PM
Rico

Thanks for the info.

Almost all the starters returning for Trine, and the energy of the new field I think they will have a good. year.

RE: Pryor I am going to say your better off without him.
Sounds like a headcase and will be on the suspended list at OSU.
Just a guess, too much hype, too many incedents with arguements and fights during the BBall season.
I am sure Tressel was very pleased with the delays and the "University of Ohio State" comment at his press conference. Press conferences for a 18 year old kid to annouce were he is going to play football. Notice I did not say go to school no way he makes 4 years. Either in trouble or leaving early for draft if he is half of the hype.

Tell your son to keep working hard, and enjoy it the time goes by way to fast in college life.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on March 29, 2008, 01:19:57 PM
Uncle Rico:

Good TSU update, what starters are they losing?  They were a very tough squad last year and Im sure they will be again this year.  Best of luck to the thunder.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on March 31, 2008, 02:57:01 PM
There were only a handful of seniors on Tri-State's team this year.  Here are a few notables:

Justin Hoover, kicker
Matt Eby, outside linebacker
Nick Johns, center
Luke Hickock, RB (out most of last season due to a broken leg)

I think most of these positions were filled before recruiting began this spring, but that doesn't mean we're not going to miss these guys.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 31, 2008, 03:03:30 PM
Thanks LetItRain...I couldn't find my roster.   :)  I remembered we didn't lose a big number of kids, but the ones that are gone were good.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 03, 2008, 10:09:37 PM
I like let it rains idea of listing significant graduations

Albion had roughly a dozen Seniors on the Roster and several playing significant time at the start of the season.
Due to a mireade of injuries underclasssmen recieved significant playing time.
The OL was Senior dominated at the start of the season, with several 2-3 year starters. Due to injuries Defense Lineman had to brought to the other side of the line, and underclassmen played significant time.

Leighton SR RG
Popovici SR C
Lemond SR RT
Walters SR LT
Benko SR TE
Arrasmith  SR FB
Silvernail SR FL
Lantco SR SE
Eggleston SR RG
Hearns SR Punter
Lefere SR CB
Jados SR FS
House SR FL

Have all moved on and most missed games last year due to injury.
I believe that played a significant role in Albions rough record last year, as the Brits lost several games by less than 1 score.
The upside is the underclassmen have game experience going into their Junior years and Injuried lineman Jones a Sophmore in playing terms, will be back from a injury that had him miss the complete season last year.

The question for the Brits will be how does the OL jell, with the majority of the SR's were on the offense side of the ball. Many of the skill positions return for Junior and Senior years.


The defense returns almost all of the starters and all recieved significant
time. The majority of the defense will be Juniors in 08 season. This will be a strength as this is a athletic group. Secondary will be replacing some 2 SR. starters though those slated did see significant time, due to injuries as well.
The DL and DE position are very deep, a few position changes would not surprise me to get more size in LB group.


Well thats my overview of Albion going into spring ball, things change as guys grow, others leave the team for what ever reason and maybe a transfer or a freshman great athlete comes in.

Finally looking like spring, weather has broke, and the Tigers are off and playing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 11, 2008, 10:32:36 AM
I saw on another website that Jeff Rouhan QB formally at Wayne State and a potential MSU recruit prior to his injuries has been at spring practice with Alma, and that he has tested very well in off season weight training program.

Sounds like Alma has a good problem, a couple of quality QB's in the program.
Assuming this info is correct.

By the way what is up with the Tigers.
All these big name hitters and they have 1 win, and a .230 batting average.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 14, 2008, 03:15:25 PM
There are some comments on a D2 forum....  http://www.d2messageboard.com/archive/index.php/t-9058.html .  Injuries are just too bad.   No one wants to see someone get hurt.  Hopefully he is able to play at his full potential (but has an off-game against Tri-State / Trine). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on April 18, 2008, 04:22:30 PM
Progress on the new Trine football field at last!! 

http://www.tristate.edu/tsustadium/

We also received confirmation this week that the mascot will remain "Thunder" at Trine.  Let's hope this is permanent.

Trine spring scrimmage is Saturday, 4/26.  Bring it on!

Only 3 1/2 more months until the start of the season. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on May 01, 2008, 10:32:57 AM
Saw on another board Brehm is playing in Germany.  Good for him.  Any updates on that.

What about Taz Wallace.  Any updates on him.

How did spring ball go for everyone.

Watching the Big 10 Network and seeing spring games got me going. 

I can't wait til fall.

Any transfers or impact recruits coming in the MIAA??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on May 02, 2008, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on April 18, 2008, 04:22:30 PM
Progress on the new Trine football field at last!! 

http://www.tristate.edu/tsustadium/

We also received confirmation this week that the mascot will remain "Thunder" at Trine.  Let's hope this is permanent.

Trine spring scrimmage is Saturday, 4/26.  Bring it on!

Only 3 1/2 more months until the start of the season. ;D

It's gotta to be exciting for Tri-State fans when you view the web camera today. They are starting to lay down the turf! I know that it was exciting around Olivet on the first day that the turf was being put down.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 03, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Yes, it is exciting to see the new turf being laid down at Trine.  I was wondering however - 1) are they replacing the home stands and a new press box? (I hope so) and 2) is the football building (with locker rooms, etc.) that is to be at the adjacent end of the field already under construction?  Can't tell from the current angle of the live webcam.

One other question:  what type of scrimmage did Trine have?  I assume perhaps a 7 on 7 passing (with linemen standing in place?? ::)) since no contact is allowed.  Just curious.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2008, 11:25:19 AM
I think the eventual plan is to build new home stands, and the old home stands will be the visitor stands.  I do not think the football building is going to be done this year, they have a number of facility upgrades in the works and I think the football building will be next year.  It will be located at that far corner.

Scrimage went well.  Basically 7 0n 7.  Passing looked very good, but hard to tell how that will translate when the pads come on and the real games start.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on May 05, 2008, 05:47:40 PM
Looks like Thunder is going to be in white letters in both end zones.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 06, 2008, 11:39:04 PM
Saw in the AA News tonite that the Chelsea qb (who had a scholarship offer from Stanford and a preferred walk-on offer from UM) will be going to Albion.  Unfortunately, the paper is already out at the street for recycling, and I can't recall anything else (even the name), but he sounds like he might be the real deal at the d3 level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on May 07, 2008, 08:51:58 AM
http://www.mlive.com/highschool/annarbornews/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1210084812112720.xml&coll=2

Good news Mr. Ypsi.  He is coming off a blown out knee...hence to drop off...but none the less a great pic up for the MIAA.  With Albion hurting at the QB spot, this could mean early PT. 

With him being by Adrian, I mean 12 miles away, you got to wonder why he didn't pick Adrian with all the new things going on.

Isn't Adrian over in Italy now???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2008, 09:45:55 PM
Mr. Ypsi and HOF:

That is interesting news, which brings to mind two points, one of which has been discussed "in general" in the past: 1) another example of a student-athlete who could play at a higher level i.e. DI but chooses to go DIII; and 2) why the "drop-off"?  I know of a couple of at least one example of a player who had DI scholarship offers in fb, had a "blown-out" knee (and a severe head injury i.e. two unrelated injuries) in his Sr. h.s. season in fb, and despite those injuries, the university still gave him the "full-ride" for fb and he went on to play and become a 3 year starter.  So I am curious as to why this kid "was dropped" by Stanford and U of M and/or why he didn't still want to pursue either of those?  Just curious. 

Signed,
Chester S. Brewer ;D (Oops! Sorry, McLeode!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2008, 09:54:32 PM
Addendum:

Sorry, I didn't notice the newspaper article link that was posted before I made my post.  Still, while Krauss made his own decision, it still doesn't answer if Stanford was still interested in him or not.  Anyway, I don't think anyone can argue that he didn't make a good decision; not taking anything away from his opportunity to have gone DI.  Everyone has to make their own decision/choice as he did and as he said, that is not easy.  Indeed, a big plus for Albion.  They always seem to get good QB's! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 07, 2008, 10:07:18 PM
I couldn't tell (and don't know) whether the offer from Stanford was still on the table, but the 'preferred walk-on' offer from UM came AFTER the injury.  I suspect he may have realized that he was likely to buried on the depth chart at a premier d1 school (and don't know if he got an offer from Central).  I suspect that all MIAA schools except Albion (and Calvin! ;D) may regret his 'cold feet' (or realism).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 07, 2008, 11:16:52 PM
Mr. Ypsi, formerd3db and HOF:

Stanford was off the table once his knee was injured.  From what I have heard GVSU came at him with some small money towards the end in an attempt to steal him away from Albion, but to no avail.  Adrian is right in the back yard for him but rumor has it that for some reason (no indication why) he soured on the school as a choice and Albion took the front runner position and ran with it doing a great job to hold off the GVSU push at the end. 

HOF:

Adrian left for Italy on the 5th, taking a very large number of players with them overseas, actually having to take two flights this time which is far removed from the 30 or so people that went when I was a sophmore at Adrian.  Every year they take the chance to go overseas the numbers grow and if the past is any indication Adrian should have a strong year, the last two times they took the trip they finished 7-3 and 8-2 the following seasons.  The extra practice no doubt helps, especially being able to have the players who are making the trip practice in pads, its a great opportunity for the team to see how some freshman who might not have gotten the most attention during the regular season practices look on the hoof.

Uncle Rico:

Good to hear that progress is moving ahead at Trine (weird) Universities new stadium.  The process is exciting, i remember when it was going on at Adrian and you can really gauge how they are moving in watching the field being laid, cut outs being put in etc.  Do the new home stands include a new press box for coaching staffs?  The current set up that TSU has is abysmal, angles are to low and they have a terrible window selection in terms of being able to see the field as well as no room for camera crews or more than one or two coaches.  It doesnt help that every time fans in the front row stand up they obscure your vision as well as hear you swear if and when that may have happened.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2008, 11:30:37 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
I believe you might be right!

ADAWG:
Still seems strange that Stanford would pull the offer.  The player I was talking about was at a skilled position also and he had a very serious injury.  Came back fine and was a tremendous DI player.

Also, I can't remember, however, isn't there an NCAA rule that limits how many times a school can go overseas within a certain year-span period?  If that is "in play" (pardon the pun  ;D), since Adrian is going this year and went recently during your playing tenure, I would think this would have to be the last trip for awhile at least.

As far as the Trine Press Box, I would have to agree with you.  It was similar to that of Olivet's before that one was replaced with the new spaceous one, although I would say that Trine's is still better than Kazoo's antiquated one as well as Albion's.  The latter's really needs to be replaced, expanded and a covered "third story" for filming the games in bad weather would be a big plus.  Right now, I would have to say that, obviously, Adrian, Hope and Alma have the best Press Boxes in their stadiums.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2008, 11:31:59 PM
I should include Olivet's in there also, although admittedly, I have not been inside that new one yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 08, 2008, 12:23:59 AM
ADAWG,

I'm certainly not privy to Krauss's thought processes, but a discussion on another board concluded that the ideal school is one close enough to home that one can visit (and drop off laundry!) when needed, but far enough away that the 'rents won't drop in unexpectedly!  Adrian may never have had a chance! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 08, 2008, 09:35:31 AM
Nice to see the board hopping with comments the last couple of days.

RE: Krauss I hear/Read he liked the Gerstacker program for business and the real opportunity to Graduate in 4 years instead of "redshirt" then see what comes in the following years, and become a 5 year student. He is a smart Student Athlete 4.03 GPA per article.  Rumor is also may or may not be ready to play with Knee conditions in 08.
Glad to see another very good Academic Student Athlete come to Albion

Couple other Albion players ( no gurantees until they step on the filed in D3)

Adam Shireman RB from MCC 1st team all state. Keeps the line of MCC qulity players coming to Albion with Evans 07 starting QB also from MCC

Devinne Pettaway deceased Martin Luther King DB whom has choosen Albion over a couple DII offers and Jackson State down south. Sad to see a 17 year old die of a Asthma attack in Gym class in HS 2nd student this spring to die of "Natural Causes" from the State Champion MLK football team. What a devastating feel that must be to the school.

Lost a quality player to Northwood, the Schooly was very small from Northwood, never understand those choices. As we discussed here before I guess the "I played DII" outways the what I fee is better education, and better total schooly when you look at the Academic support you can get with high level grades and acheivements from DIII schools.

I think now that the impressive science wing addition, and the tear down of the old hall are completed. Albion will have capital funds to upgrade the DOW Center and the Football feilds.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2008, 03:12:24 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
I know what you mean.  Another option to solve that is choosing a school close enough but far away for the reasons you mention, but also bringing your laundry with you on "away game" trips, having your parents take it home and send it back UPS on Tuesday!  Always worked great during the season! ::) :o ;D ;) :P :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2008, 03:19:12 PM
HOF:

Like you, I don't know the details about is injury.  However, perhaps there was more to it than just "an ACL" since even with reconstruction, most people are able to get back to full in 6 months - although they relate their knee doesn't feel nearly back to normal until 1 year.  On the other hand, those knees are never really the same ever since it is "not a normal knee" i.e. tendons used to replace and simulate a ligament.

BTW, as you mentioned upgrades to the Dow and the football fields at Albion.  What further upgrades do they have to do to the Dow?  I thought those were pretty much done 3-4 years ago.  Except for as we've discussed previously on this board recently and in the past, after they added the wonderful scoreboard, new "old style" iron fencing and the new concourse, concession stand, preserved the old early 20th century concrete fence around the stadium/athletic fields, Albion needs to upgrade the stadium press box.  Also, do you think they will put in the new artificial turf with any new upgrades to the football field?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2008, 03:34:04 PM
Hey, can anybody help?  My photo here somehow "disappeared" and I have been unable to get it back posted.  It was one of my own, however, I can't seem to get it transferred via the "change profile" aspect, by doing it with posting one's own photo from an attachement via one's own computer.  What gives?? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 09, 2008, 12:34:35 AM
formerd3db:

I believe the rule is every third year.  Adrian went when i was a sophmore, then again my first year of coaching and this year is three years later.  That is the limit and time period and Adrian take advantage of it everytime and will for the forseeable future from what I understand.

Kzoo is in desperate need of a new press box, theres is as cramped as I have ever been in.  Olivets is not nearly that spacious when you are in the visitor section, but it is a very nice upgrade over what they used to have.  As for Albion, their pressbox is the roof of the real press box, for coaches anyway.  Not bad when it is a nice day, but if it is raining or windy and you are trying to chart anything it is a real hassle.

Mr. Ypsi:

That is a great feature to look for in a college, just close enough that you are able to drive home, but just far enough that your parents wont want to drive up to see you!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 09, 2008, 11:29:15 AM
ADAWG:

Thanks for the info and your thoughts on the press boxes as well.  I can't imagine that will Kazoo's new coach being an alum, that he won't try to make a push for improvements to that and perhaps other portions of the stadium as well.  I know that historically, their faculty hasn't been the "big fan" of football or athletics as we've all discussed here on the board from time to time.  However, that school has and/or can get the $ raised to put in new synthetic turf and other upgrades, which would be of tremendous benefit for all the programs since their successful soccer teams could use it as well.  I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to do that (on the other hand, maybe I can! ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 10, 2008, 01:57:30 PM
Here's one for you guys.  I saw in today's news that due to the NFL's NY Giant's mini-camp, draft pick LB Jonathan Goff of Vanderbilt missed his graduation ceremony this weekend.  His mother and brother had to go to Vanderbilt to accept it for him.  Just another example of the NFL "we only care about us" attitude.  IMO, that's ridiculous in making someone miss their graduation ceremony - a once in a lifetime event and particularly since Goff is one of the fewer people who made the effort and did the right thing by completing his college education, unlike so many other players choose not to do.  Then again, that's the mindset in today's society and especially in the NFL and another reason why I don't care about the NFL, even though all of us know there are problems in collegiate football as well. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 10, 2008, 09:28:46 PM
Lloyd Carr was the Commencement speaker today at Albion.
He spoke of character and honor, I would have loved to be there.
I am told it was a very good speach.
I expected no less from Carr whatever the doubters say about his coaching, he believed in and demanded character from his players.

Be good to the MOM's in your life folks they deserve it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2008, 11:10:26 AM
In the month of May the VFW distributes Buddy Poppies.  Please take time to give a dollar and take a poppy.  The proceeds of this go to aid the  Disabled Vets  (http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=cmty.levelc&cid=127&tok=1)

Mike Dougherty
Commander VFW Memorial Post 3776
Secaucus NJ


In Flander's Field
by John McCrae
In Flanders Fields the poppies blow,
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly,
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead.
Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved and now we lie,
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw,
The torch, be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us, who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow,
In Flanders Fields.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on May 14, 2008, 12:15:24 PM
I imagine Adrian College is done with the trip oversea's to Italy, but I haven't found anything on this trip on their website or the D3football.com website.  Usually if the info is provided Pat puts it on.

Anybody have any insight???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 14, 2008, 06:37:44 PM
Quote from: HOF on May 14, 2008, 12:15:24 PM
I imagine Adrian College is done with the trip oversea's to Italy, but I haven't found anything on this trip on their website or the D3football.com website.  Usually if the info is provided Pat puts it on.

Anybody have any insight???

There was much confusion when their Italian opponent showed up for the football "friendly".

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 15, 2008, 10:54:57 AM
HOF:

I just spoke with Coach Lyall today and Adrian won their game in Italy 28-0 he said that it could have been worse, but they kept it at 28.  All in all it sounded like a wonderful experience, a great country, great game and hosts and all the players and coaches Im sure enjoyed a wonderful time.  That runs Adrian's overseas record to 4-0 now.  2 games having been played in Spain, one in Ireland and one in Italy.  As I have said before in years when Adrian heads over seas they usually have a very good season the following fall, hopefully this is the year that they can put it over the top and take full advantage of the trip! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on May 19, 2008, 06:56:14 PM
CONGRATS TO ADRIAN COLLEGE BASEBALL!!!!  GOOD LUCK IN THE COLLEGE WORLD SERIES!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on May 22, 2008, 03:37:05 PM
Yes...congrats and good luck to the Bulldog Baseball team.  That is great for the MIAA as well.  All MIAA followers should be rooting for the Bulldogs. 

I'm sure Coach Lyall is hoping the same for his season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 29, 2008, 12:14:19 PM
First off Good job to the Bulldogs in the Playoff run

Question/Comment  7 on 7 during the summer.
Incoming freshmen and transfers are welcome as this in not a sanctioned practice and no coachs allowed?

How many MIAA teams run a few passing days, or 7 on 7?

I would expect all do with Seniors and captains leading the practices.

There really is very little time between when the NCAA allows on campus practices and the start of the season, summer commitment to studying your assignments and staying in shape / getting bigger, stronger, faster is critical.

Anyone brave enough to guess a lions record. fast start brutal finish again is my call.
6-10, 7-9 at best. I actually think they will be better than last year but record will be about the same record, they were very lucky last year, seemed to get the bounces and calls, that winning teams get.

Summer almost here, when does Global Warming start, there was frost on my plants again today.  ??? >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on June 05, 2008, 09:47:06 AM
Any word on how recruiting classes are shaping up?  Any big time recruits going to MIAA schools, I think we all know about Krause going to Albion...any others?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on June 20, 2008, 11:29:47 AM
I happened to golf at the Hornet Golf Jamboree Monday at Yarrow in Augusta (beautiful facility).  The President spoke afterwards about the future of Hornet athletics, including Football.  I have to say that she made a clear statement that K is committing themselves to making sure Student-Athletes at K will have a great experience, with a greater committment to coaches and facilities.  I don't know what's in the works, but seems to me there's a plan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 20, 2008, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: Stinger on June 20, 2008, 11:29:47 AM
I happened to golf at the Hornet Golf Jamboree Monday at Yarrow in Augusta (beautiful facility).  The President spoke afterwards about the future of Hornet athletics, including Football.  I have to say that she made a clear statement that K is committing themselves to making sure Student-Athletes at K will have a great experience, with a greater committment to coaches and facilities.  I don't know what's in the works, but seems to me there's a plan.

Stinger:

That is encouraging news.  Let's hope the Zorbo can build on that.  We'll be watching and keep us posted on the "inside info" as you can. 

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on June 24, 2008, 10:26:09 AM
Stinger,

Nice pronouncement by the president. Easy to say though - sounds pretty short on specifics.

I'm skeptical - Wait and see or I'll believe it when I see it, especially re football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 25, 2008, 11:07:47 AM
can anyone confirm if All Conference Linebacker Hakeem Yakubu ( spelling) is not coming back for Olivet.

Seen this rumor out there.
Did he transfer, or study abroad, or just done with Football for personal reasons

Another 4-5 weeks and camp starts for many schools
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OCMan on June 25, 2008, 06:56:37 PM
Hello all I am new to the MIAA board and look forward to chatting with all of you this coming year. I am close to the Olivet program and can give some insight to any questions or concerns. Regarding Yakubu and his leaving the Olivet program it is a high possibility as his family has moved and he may leave with them. It would be a loss to Olivet but hopefully not a critical one. Thanks and look forward to continued conversations with you all!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 02, 2008, 07:10:52 AM
Welcome to the board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 02, 2008, 01:24:59 PM
OCman

Sorry for the delay in response been on vacation.

Thanks for the info.
I see Olivet has a large number of graduations of starters, be interesting to see if they can stay at the top of the MIAA this year.

Another month or so before it really heats up on the posts, as Camps will start and news will be flowing out of camps.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OCMan on July 02, 2008, 06:34:26 PM
News from Olivet: seems that Yakubu will be sticking around for the coming year because of credit transfer issues from Olivet to whatever school he was trying to attend. He decided it would be easier to stay at OC for one more year than basically start over at a new school so that is one more piece back for Olivet.

Yes they were hit hard by graduation and they need to shore up some spots along both lines but should be ok in almost every other position. A good recruiting class, from what I hear, should have a couple contributors. Can't wait for camps to start.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2008, 07:23:38 PM
If I can pull off the IWU @ Hope game Labor Day weekend, will I meet any posters?

BTW, I see Hope will host IWU and Wheaton, and travel to Carthage.  About one more and we might make you eligible for the CCIW title! :D  (Why not pick up Augie or NCC and make things really tough on yourselves! ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 10, 2008, 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 07, 2008, 07:23:38 PM
If I can pull off the IWU @ Hope game Labor Day weekend, will I meet any posters?

BTW, I see Hope will host IWU and Wheaton, and travel to Carthage.  About one more and we might make you eligible for the CCIW title! :D  (Why not pick up Augie or NCC and make things really tough on yourselves! ;))
I'll most likely be there. 

We could join the CCIW, but then you'd have to go and change the name of the conference, and we'd have conference games out of region in basketball (talk about a can of worms)   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2008, 04:59:57 PM
The UAA gets all of its conference games in-region despite being scattered across the country. Wouldn't be an issue for the CCIWM.

Plus you'd have more regional games since your conference schedule would be longer. Two fewer games against Aquinas, if Hope can survive that. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 10, 2008, 05:35:06 PM
Mr Y, hope it doesn't mess up your plans, but Labor Day is Sept 1.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 10, 2008, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on July 10, 2008, 05:35:06 PM
Mr Y, hope it doesn't mess up your plans, but Labor Day is Sept 1.

Oh, geez, you're right!  My little pocket calendar said it was the 8th. >:(  I've made reservations at a Holland-area campground for Thursday through Monday 'Labor Day weekend'!  Fortunately, I'll bet they would be delighted to get a reservation for the following weekend instead, since they'll have little trouble filling up for the holiday.

FDF (and anyone else), barring the sort of family upset which caused me to miss the season-opening bball tourney at Albion (where IWU was a participant), I WILL be at Hope on the 6th of September.  Be forewarned: I haven't seen IWU lose a football game in 39 years, and I don't plan to start now!  (The fact that I haven't seen them WIN a football game in 39 years either is just a nit-picking detail. :D)

cwru70, +k for catching what could have been a most expensive gaffe! :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 11, 2008, 08:14:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2008, 04:59:57 PM
The UAA gets all of its conference games in-region despite being scattered across the country. Wouldn't be an issue for the CCIWM.

Plus you'd have more regional games since your conference schedule would be longer. Two fewer games against Aquinas, if Hope can survive that. :)

I of course knew that when I posted it (guess I needed to indicate the fact that my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on July 11, 2008, 08:21:10 AM
I nearly made the same gaffe myself earlier.  Give an assist to our moderator, as it was Pat's post that drew me a board I don't usually check out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2008, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 11, 2008, 08:14:28 AM
I of course knew that when I posted it (guess I needed to indicate the fact that my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek).

Sure, but there are other posters here who may not know that or catch the tongue placement.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 11, 2008, 02:13:50 PM
True enough - especially since we don't have the same issue with FB
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 11, 2008, 10:34:06 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I will be there also at Hope's opener vs. IWU.  Hopefully, we'll finally get a chance to meet.  Hope your summer is going well.  It is flying by for everyone as usual.  Our oldest daughter gets married next weekend, so I'm "dealing with that" (i.e. it is a good thing and will be a wonderful time but one of those life milestones if you know what I mean) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 11, 2008, 10:38:25 PM
OCMan:
I join the others in welcoming you to the board.  It will be good to have another Olivet poster here, especially since while one of the other OC posters contributed last year, another veteran OC supporter Rome didn't frequent us here much last season with his posts. 

Also, it is good to hear that Yakubu will be able to finish out his final season at the Big O, despite being away from his family.  That is good news for OC.  Anyway, we'll look forward to your posts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: birddawg on July 13, 2008, 07:19:29 PM
formerd3db:

Thanks for the kind words over on the NCAC board. You were asking where we live in Georgia. We are from Flowery Branch, where the Atlanta Falcons training camp is located.  I am a UGA grad and a longtime season ticket holder, where the crowd is around 93000, so going to a D3 game will be a different environment for us but I am sure will hold the same passion for football.  Best of luck to your team this fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 13, 2008, 07:33:02 PM
Welcome to D3 birddawg!  IMHO, D3 is just as much fun as D1.  One of my Auburn daughters sent this for our off-season enjoyment!   ;)
   
QuotePA-ROLE TIDE...............for all Saban fans

20% OF THE U. OF ALABAMA FOOTBALL TEAM HAS BEEN ARRESTED DURING THE PAST
YEAR AND THE JOKES ARE FLOWING OUT OF AUBURN .

PA-ROLE TIDE....................Enjoy!
____________________________________________________

A lady in Tuscaloosa calls 911. Hysterically, she says, "Someone's just
broke  into my house, and I think he's going to rob me!"

The police officer says, "We're really busy at the moment. Just get the
guy's jersey number and we'll get back to you."
___________________________________________________

Q: What is Nick Saban's biggest concern?

A: Does the NCAA count bail money as a recruiting violation?
_____________________________________________________

Q: What do you call a drug ring in Tuscaloosa ?

A: A huddle
___________________________________________________ __

Q: Four Bammer players in a car, who's driving?

A: The police
_____________________________________________________

Q: Why can't most of the Bammer players get into a huddle on the field?

A: It is a parole violation to associate with known felons.
_____________________________________________ _______

The Bammer team has adopted a new Honor System.

"Yes, your Honor; No, your Honor".
_____________________________________________________

The Tide is expecting a 7-6 season this year.

7 Arrests, 6 convictions.
____________________________________________________

Q: How will the Tide spend the first week of Spring Training?

A: Studying their Miranda Rights
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 13, 2008, 10:30:05 PM
Ralph:
Those are hilarious! :)  Fits right in with Saben's type of (or rather lack of)discipline! ;D
Hope you are doing well and enjoying the summer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 14, 2008, 03:42:06 PM
Fellow posters!  Does anyone know where media day is going to be held this year?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on July 15, 2008, 03:03:31 PM
Fall Sports Press Day will take place Thursday, August 7 at Alma College.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 02, 2008, 02:00:51 PM
Well about a week until Camp opens for most teams

Seems the first games are a week later this year after the Holiday.

I think the MIAA is wide open this year.

Last years top 2 teams had heavy graduation.

I think there will be no undefeated teams this year in league play.

Excited for the season to start
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 03, 2008, 02:38:34 AM
Just got home from a trip out west and thought someone might get a kick out of this.  I've been to Ypsilanti, ND, a couple of times, but they're so small they have no school to have a mascot or colors.  But this trip we stumbled across Michigan, ND.  They apparantly decided prudence required not choosing sides: while the only store in town had a blue 'block M' in the window, the school colors are green and maize (they may call it gold, but it would pass for maize), and the mascot is neither a Wolverine or a Spartan - they're the Bulldogs!  (Alas, I couldn't find anyone to ask whether or not they knew about Adrian.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 03, 2008, 11:26:43 PM
Congrats to Troy Niblock, one of Adrian's 2 QB's on being named to the Consensus Draft Services (CDS) Division III Pre-Season All-American list!  Definitely looking forward to a great MIAA season.  I also believe that the MIAA will be a wide open race...definitely excited to see how Trine will do this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 04, 2008, 02:16:41 PM
Courtney Pearson from Trine was also named as a CDS D3 Pre-Season All American as well as a Pre-Season All American by D3Football.com.

Michael Terranova and Ryan Patten from Olivet were also recognized by D3Football.com.

Congratulations to all of the MIAA athletes that have been recognized for their contributions!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 04, 2008, 04:39:28 PM
IMHO...   ;D

Trine is going to give everyone a run for their money this year and may very well end up taking the MIAA.  Most of the starters are returning and there's lots of talent stepping into the few vacant spots that remain.  This program is now thriving thanks to the excellent coaching staff and the recruiting efforts they have made since taking the helm.  2008 is going to be the first of many very exciting seasons for Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 05, 2008, 01:28:25 PM
Early Predicted Order of Finish:

Hope: Solid team, good returners Kreps has finished out of 1st or 2nd only once in his tenure.
Adrian: Very good defense, and a great offense if they stick to what works (running the ball)
Olivet: Very aggresive, very athletic could go either way as Olivet often does.
Tri State: Surprised some people last year, now looking to build.
Alma: Solid all around with some bright spots, big talk about the DII transfer at QB.
Albion: Exiting the cellar and making moves to get back to the pack.
Kalamazoo: Sitting in the basement as always, new coach has quite a job cut out for him.

Top 4 teams should all be very close, I doubt anyone will make it through the year undefeated in MIAA play, but it seems like it should be a very good season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 05, 2008, 02:40:30 PM
Dawg

early picks I like the thought pattern

I am holding out until camp starts to hear about a few question marks on a few teams.
My thoughts, in no particular order of finsh intended yet.

Hope graduated hard, but as you point out have always finished high and play a tough out of conference schedule, so they are always ready to play and willing to compete.

Olivet lost a lot of OL and starters, but return a very good defense. Quality RB's are returning, lost a lot of lineman that is the question for Olivet.

Trine is improving quickly and returns most of team. I think they make another step to the higher level in the standings. Like the energy in the program.

Alma and Albion are  the big questions, NEW QB's at both schools are possible, both of which are D1, D2 players whom were injured. lets see if they are ready to play.
As someone whom saw all the Albion games the last few years, I can not believe Albion can give away as many games again this year. Numerous close games and bad decisions seem to haunt them recently. Very young last year on defense, and offensive line due to injuries played not to lose instead of aggressive,  both on offense and defense in my mind.

Alma always is exciting with the open offense, defense is question. Possibly due to the wide open offense exposing the defense to more time on the field and field position issues, return a decent amount of starters.

Adrian I have to see what happens should have strong D, and I think this may be the year they do not underacheive in the rankings from preseason rankings in many peoples minds.
I agree run the ball,  they have an elusive QB returning, move him around and open up the field when teams load up to stop run.

Kazoo has a new coach, and needs a University commitment to the program to return to being a force.  Best of luck great educational institution wish they supported football more. I do not buy the high end education means they can not get Athletes as the sole source of the programs struggles.

Well thats the view from another "Armchair QB", any way you look at it Football starts soon and I will be at numerous College and HS games. I enjoy them more than the Pro game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 07, 2008, 02:09:10 PM
Inside info released from the MIAA media day.  I only got the top two picks for MIAA finish, but the league coaches and media seem to agree with me.  Hope picked to finish first, Adrian picked to finish second.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OCMan on August 07, 2008, 04:10:59 PM
Heard it was an interesting day today at the MIAA media day. As I hear it once again Hope was picked to win it again followed by Adrian, Olivet, Trine, Alma, Albion and Kzoo. Interesting picks from the media on the outcome this year. Not too long before camps start. Olivet expecting a big turnout this year of 150+ kids. Excited to see how things turn out this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on August 07, 2008, 06:53:33 PM
yes only a couple of more weeks to pratice starts  but that means fall is around the coner
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on August 07, 2008, 07:51:24 PM
Hope Letter winners:
14 seniors- all letter winners
32 Juniors- 7 letter winners
48 Sophs- 4 letter winners

Anyone know about Hope's 75 freshmen, and if many of them will get a chance? Sure seems like a relatively young team. I hope Dean's recruits pan out quickly!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 12, 2008, 10:50:34 AM
ADAWG:

You may know this...is there any truth to the rumor that Adrian will have over 200 players this season???  I have to imagine that with their facilities it is easy to recruit to Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 12, 2008, 03:33:29 PM
ACRULZ:

I dont know if the number will be over 200, but from what I hear its gonna be right around 200 if not there.  Its good to have a solid recruiting class, but Ive said it before and will say it again, once any school gets numbers so high there becomes an issue in managing that many players and keeping everyone involved.  On Adrians behalf I do believe they are playing a 14 game JV schedule so that as many people as possible can play, that also includes about 6 split squad JV games which is a unique twist.  Its always been my take that a program is good at about 130-150 players tops.  But saying that it looks like Adrian has a good plan to support that many, I am curious about how they will give them all locker facilities etc, but then again we can all remember that there will be some that quit in these coming weeks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2008, 04:12:35 PM
Two JV teams, wow...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 13, 2008, 12:51:41 AM
Pat,

Yeah its a wild and great idea in a way.  If you are going to have the numbers you have to get the kids the opportunities to play or else your retention will really drop off.  I think that it will help out development and getting kids involved and interested over the entire course of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2008, 02:16:09 PM
or be as good as Mount Union year in and year out....to keep the kids interested (having only one JV team)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 14, 2008, 11:33:33 PM
Ahhh football is in the air...good to be back.  Been watching all off season, but failed to post.  Gotta start sometime....

MIAA football....so Adrian and Hope huh?  I'd say maybe this could be the year of the Dogs.  What scares me about that is their opener.  In years past we trashed Adrian about their schedule.  Adrian must watch the board...Capital for their opener???  Ouch....who scheduled that???  Just joking...  Don't they scrimmage Ohio Northern as well?  If so I'm sure they'll find out how good they can be.

Hope....I don't know...I had a chance to talk with Coach Krepps about a month ago.  I got the same old song and dance...we'll be lucky to win five games speech...you know....he'll have them boys ready and will run the ball to win many games.

I think Craig Rundle and the Albion Brits will give everyone all that they want.  Don't count them out.

I think Olivet loses the close games this year.

Tri State has reached their peak....5-5 is about all they can do.

Jim Cole will have something up his sleeve....he'll be searching for a ring in week 10.

Kzoo....they'll be the Homecoming game for the MIAA...you know the team that seems to appear on the schedule as everyone's HC...fun for the kids...bad luck for the program.

All in all it should shape up to be fun!!!!

I think I just saw a shark swim...ohh wait that is Dan Phelps...he'd be a 1st Team All MIAA swimmer....haaa
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 15, 2008, 03:41:23 AM
HOF:

Adrian really upped the ante by adding Capital.  There was a time when Adrian was a very aggressive non conference scheduler.  Back in the day of my freshman year (2000) we had BW, Carthage and Thomas More on the non con schedule.  Then come around my Junior year that turned into Carthage, Franklin and Heidlberg.  I would add Defiance, but we play them every year so they feel like a conference team.  It is nice to see the stepped up level of competition, time will tell if it results in losses or wins, but either way I think it will strengthen the team for the upcoming season.  Adrian does scrimmage ONU, that fall son the 30th this year I believe, a saturday down at their place.  Adrian has always scrimmaged tough, going against ONU for at least the last 8-10 years.

I agree on Albion, I think they will be able to pull a good season off and for lack of a better word suprise some people.  Alma is always in the thick of it and I doubt it will be different this year.

I would say I think Trine has some more upside than you give them credit for, having been part of a losing program I can attest to the steps that get taken from 2-8 to 8-2 and from what I know and have seen it appears that Trine is doing what they need to do.

Olivet can be a roller coaster, I'm sure most of us still remember back when they were picked to win the MIAA and then lost all their league games.  Im not saying that is going to happen, I doubt it will but they always seem to be one surprise or another.

As for Kzoo, its a shame to see what that program has become.  As recently as 2003 they were still a competitive program in the MIAA, lead by strong defense and also a very inventive offense that played to their strengths.  They knew they couldnt snap it up head to head with the rest of the MIAA but they were smart, well coached and always went hard something that kept them in their games and allowed them to be the spoiler as well.  Lately that seems to be lacking at Kzoo and its a shame, the program is in dire straits without some sort of backing and encouragement from the administration, look around the MIAA, no program that competes for the title exists separate from the admin, if a school wants to compete athletics and administration need to be working towards a common goal, something that doesnt appear to be happening at K.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 15, 2008, 05:50:58 AM
Quote from: HOF on August 14, 2008, 11:33:33 PM

I think I just saw a shark swim...ohh wait that is Dan Phelps...he'd be a 1st Team All MIAA swimmer....haaa

Michael Phelps can blow this Dan fella out of the water. ;)


Phelps recorded a world record 4:03.84 in 400m IM , Phil Heyboer of Hope won and set the MIAA record this year in 4:03.55...... the 400 YARD IM, meaning Phil's time for 400m translates to about  4:26.35.........or Phelps' time translates to the 400yd at around 3:42.96

.......or about 3/4ths the length of the pool, either one.  :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 15, 2008, 09:56:50 AM
I think I know a Dan Phelps...haaa....

I guess welcome back...huh SAC...haa...you always keep us informed with correct info...lol.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DEACONBLUE on August 17, 2008, 01:18:17 AM
Hey Guys...Happy Almost Autumn.  Here's my feeble attempt at a pre-season MIAA prediction:

Defense dominant teams:  Adrian, Olivet, and TU (team which improves offense most will rise)
Offense dominant teams:  Alma. Albion, and Hope (team which improves defense most will rise)

RANK:
1) ADRIAN- Look for a re-adjusted dawg offense to finally compliment their high caliber defense.  The team to beat.
2) ALMA- Well tuned scoring machine.  Does need an improved defense to battle for crown
3) ALBION- My sleeper pick- balanced.  Last year a transition...can't keep down good coaching and tradition..
4) HOPE- Perennial power takes a breather with the loss of some motivational seniors
5) TU- New move to a pass dominant spread-offense needs a year to jell.
6) OLIVET- Defense cannot score enough points to make up for a thinning offense.
7) KZOO- Hornets need to find a way to maximize the minimum...depth. 

I could be wrong ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 19, 2008, 02:35:10 PM
It does not look like Spencer Kruass will be playing Football this year for Albion. Not sure if it is health or his choice.

Albion does have a returning QB in Fusse who started several games last year. Albion also has a transfer QB whom is returning to Michigan from an out of state college.

Couple of weeks until the first game in MIAA should be a competitive season. I do not see any team as a clear favorite all have questions or graduated quite a few key players.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 20, 2008, 11:59:57 AM
OK so I was wrong I just saw Spencer Krauss name on the roster.

Good luck to all the teams, with season starting stay healthy
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 23, 2008, 11:26:01 AM
Gotta love a Saturday morning like today...woke up and turned on ESPN and here Corso, Herby and Fowler on College Gameday!  Oh yeah...Lou Holtz....

MIAA news:

Who is scrimmaging who this year?  Is Adrian doing the Ohio Northern deal?  Albion doing the GRCC?  Kzoo in the past scrimmaged Carthage?  Alma the Candians?  Hope has their annual Blue and Orange game?

Give me some dirt??

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 23, 2008, 06:57:44 PM
Alma usually scrimmages DII Northwood University from the GLIAC.  Hope continues to be a "traditionalist" by not scrimmaging another college for its final scrimmage as they have their annual Blue and Orange Intrasquad Scrimmage next Sat Aug 30th.  I recall DAWG saying the Adrian will again scrimmage ONU.  Sorry, however, I have not heard about any of the remaining MIAA college scrimages. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 25, 2008, 08:49:41 AM
So how is Trine's new field looking?  I'm sure I can see pics on the website, but just wanted to know from some Trine people who might have seen this in person.

When does Albion plan on getting some kind of surface?  It seems like every year, they have a nice field and then a JV game tears it up.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 25, 2008, 12:26:54 PM
The new field at Trine is great.  However, many of the other MIAA teams have expressed disappointment that we replaced our grass with the new surface since our grass field was pretty good, too.  I believe they've broken ground on the new football building that will stand on the East side of the field (where the visitor stands used to be).  When this building is complete the East side of the field will become the "home" side of the field.

Trine scrimmages at Anderson University on Saturday, 8/30.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 25, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
Not sure about Albion getting some kind of Surface or Field Grass
I like the Grass they have, but it does get wet and then torn up by end of season

Albion looked good in scrimmage Saturday.
Defense held up well, and showed some depth and speed.
Return all of the Dline from last year, and added some size and speed to the LB core.

The Oline with several new starters was solid.
Albion has depth at RB and some speed on Offense, return QB whom saw significant time last year as well as some new speed QB's as well. Do not be surprised to see some running out of the QB's.

Injuries hit Albion hard last year, help develop this years young core. I think it pays off this year and next as most of the starters are Juniors this year.

Young Team, so  they will improve as the year goes on.
Been a very hard working, all business Camp.
Albion will finish the MIAA season higher than the preseason ranking.
Good out of conference schedule will prepare the team for League play.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 25, 2008, 06:47:40 PM
I'll be coming to the Sept 6 IWU @ Hope game - who will I see there?  I'll be staying at Drew's Country Campground (4 miles north on US 31) from Thursday evening to Tuesday morning - stop by to say hello and have a cold one on me!

On a U of M note, if you haven't seen the Sam McGuffie videos on utube, do yourself a favor and do so - amazing!  Since they are highlights, I don't know how many fumbles or weak runs may have hit the cutting-room floor, and have no idea the quality of the opposition, but unless the opposing Ds are TOTAL stiffs, this kid is a potential Barry Sanders! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2008, 08:09:59 PM
Thanks for the updates, all.  Most interesting.

LIR:  On the other hand, there are just as many people in the league who are glad that Trine has added the new synthetic surface.  I, for one, am a supporter of it.  When we played at Trine 2 years ago, your grass field was horrible and a real safety issue.  Same goes for our place at Hope, which has been a major concern ever since it was put in almost 25 years ago.  That stadium was supposed to have synthetic turf, however, mostly financial issues at the time nixed that.  Then despites a couple of renovations to the field, it still is not right - same problem we had at the old stadium when I played "many moons ago".  There has been much talk "behind the scenes" recently about Hope/Holland putting new turf in.  Almost all the area h.s. schools have it - maintainance issues for grass are a big consideration.  We've all had this discussion regarding turf many times and the bottom line is that, everyone has their own opinion/favorite regarding it.  I do not doubt that some schools, like Albion and Hope and Kazoo may continue to have natural grass, yet the other MIAA schools that have put it in have a nice "+" for recruiting in some instances in that regard.

Mr. Ypsi:  I will be at the game - perhaps we can finally meet in person for a few minutes at halftime.  Talk to you later.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 26, 2008, 12:39:26 AM
formerd3db,

Geez, I give you an invite to my RV, and the best you can offer is a few minutes at halftime - not even pre-game tailgating or post-game celebrating/commiserating?! :o

However it happens, it would be great to put some faces to the 'names' on the board.  Veteran posters will already know that I'm Chuck Bonney, but a heads-up if any others want a visit (since I don't yet know my campsite number).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Brits39 on August 26, 2008, 09:46:03 AM
Does anyone have anymore info on How Albion is doing? I will for sure be shocked if they finish as low as they are predicted to!! Other than that what the Opening games for everyone else?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 26, 2008, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 26, 2008, 12:39:26 AM
formerd3db,

Geez, I give you an invite to my RV, and the best you can offer is a few minutes at halftime - not even pre-game tailgating or post-game celebrating/commiserating?! :o

However it happens, it would be great to put some faces to the 'names' on the board.  Veteran posters will already know that I'm Chuck Bonney, but a heads-up if any others want a visit (since I don't yet know my campsite number).

Yeah, I know, that's terrible! :-[  You are very kind for the invite.  Yet, my official duties with the team limits my "free time" - I won't be able to arrive to the game until a few minutes before start and then have to leave near right after due to an job related out-of-town commitment.  If it were not for that (and/or if I could get over before that i.e. the day before), I would certainly take you up on your very kind offer.  Not excuses, but rather the truth of the situation for this particular day.  HOPEfully, though, at least we'll get a chance to meet in person and "put faces with names" as you mention.  I've had the pleasure of doing that a some away games with other of our colleagues/posters on here in the past 3-4 years and it is always a great experience.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OCMan on August 29, 2008, 10:27:37 AM
Today is a day where OC fans will see what kind of expectations they should have for their defending champion comets. Olivet travels to Defiance today for a scrimmage and then just one short week until the true test with Wittenberg in the opener down in Springfield under the lights. Good luck to all this season and can't wait for the openers! Hopefully the MIAA has better luck out of conference this year as a whole and we start to get some respect....can't afford to "hang" with our non-conference opponents anymore. MIAA needs wins! Once again good luck to all
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on August 29, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
OCMan,  looking at some of the MIAA's non-conference matchups, I definitely think there are many opportunities this year for the MIAA to earn some respect.  Obviously, they have to win most of these games to earn the regard, but just looking at some of the matchups, there are some great games early in the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on August 30, 2008, 09:36:37 PM
Any good news on the scrimmages?  Updates, updates, updates...game week is here!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2008, 10:56:36 PM
former, you're forgiven!  I know nothing about Hope's stadium - how shall we meet up?

Regarding UM - ouch!  If not for the fumble and blocked punt in the 4th, plus the incredibly stupid Ute penalties, we would have lost by 4+ TDs - yet still might have won if the refs had not suddenly swallowed the whistle on a pass interference with 2 minutes left. :o

The ONLY bright spots I saw were the kicker (he was accurate last year, but his longest was 42 yards; that 50-yarder would have been good from 60!) and the second-half defense.  The latter is probably key to whether the Wolverines can break .500 - play like the first half, they'll be lucky to win 5 games.

I'm not gonna permanently give up on players' first starts, but neither QB looked acceptable, and none of the RBs impressed - both probably largely due to a (so far) horrid OL.  Since they are all young, I haven't thrown in the towel on the season just yet! ;)

[While I liked our kicker, and the punter was adequate, how I'd love to have Louie Sakoda!  4 for 4 on FGs (and his 53-yarder would have been good from 70! :o), and a 60-yard punt under extreme pressure.  The kid has got to be the best kicker AND punter in college today!]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 02, 2008, 04:54:15 PM
I put together a quick review of the non-conference teams that the MIAA teams will be playing:


School     Opp 07 Record   Opp 07 Win %     Opp Conferences
Adrian     21 - 19   0.525      OAC, HCAC(2 teams), Ind
Albion     21 - 22   0.488      Pioneer (DIAA), PAC, CCIW, IIAC
Alma     18 - 22   0.450      HCAC, CCIW, NATCH, WIAC
Hope     31 - 11   0.738      CCIW(3 teams), WIAC
Kalamazoo     15 - 25   0.375      NCAC, NATCH, HCAC(2 teams)
Olivet     26 - 16   0.619      NCAC, CCIW(2 teams), NATCH
Trine     19 - 18   0.514
      		HCAC (3 teams), Ind

Blufton (1-9 in 2007)is the most common opponent - playing Adrian, Alma, and Kalamazoo. 

The CCIW is the best represented conference, with 6 of the 8 teams playing MIAA opponents - only North Park and Augustana are not playing MIAA schools
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2008, 05:17:36 PM
FDF:
Not to be picky, however, Albion's first game non-league opponent Butler's football team is a member of the Pioneer League, the DIAA non-scholarship league; their basketball DI scholarship team plays in the other league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 02, 2008, 05:21:34 PM
It's time to start picking this week's games:

Saturday, September 6
Adrian at Capital, Ohio, 1:30 p.m. ET    Capital
Butler, Ind. at Albion, 1 p.m. ET    Butler
Bluffton, Ohio at Alma, 2 p.m. ET    Alma
Illinois Wesleyan at Hope, 1:30 p.m. ET    Hope
Denison, Ohio at Kalamazoo, 1 p.m. ET    Denison
Olivet at Wittenberg, Ohio, 7 p.m. ET    Witt
Manchester, Ind. at Trine, 12:30 p.m. ET   Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 02, 2008, 07:53:18 PM
MIAAFBFAN


Nice list, I wish I could post something different for conversations sake but these are pretty clear choices to me.
The only game I do not know enough about would be Manchester IND vs Trine. I do not have any feel for Manchester team

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Rhino_05 on September 02, 2008, 08:40:06 PM
Greetings from IIAC-land.  I'm a Central guy wondering what there is to do in Albion on Friday nights before we come up in a few weeks.  Also, what kind of tailgating goes on over there?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 02, 2008, 10:57:34 PM
Rhino_05

Cascarellis is a decent place to gather for drinks and food, college kids hang out there, but its a nice place.  If you really want to go classy you can hit up the Phoenix if its still open, thats a great place.  SUPERBOWL!!!!!

WEEKLY PICKS

Adrian @ Capital       Adrian
Butler @ Albion        Albion
Bluffton @ Alma        Alma
IWU @ Hope             Hope
Denison @ Kzoo        Denison
Olivet @ Wittenberg   Wittenberg
Manchester @ Trine    Trine

Adrian -  Expecting big things from Adrian this fall.  From all I hear very fast, very quick and very talented, impact players all over on offense and a solid defense with what seems to be great depth and skill.  This could be the year they go over the top.
Albion - Rebuilding year, I woulndt look for Albion to be down for to long, great track record from Rundle and an infusion of younger high energy coaches along with some good incoming talent and returners should help out.
Alma - Big time offense, good QB's and always solid running game, Defense always fast and downhill, needs to limit mistakes.
Hope - Hope is hope, solid football program always fundamentally strong, brings alot to the table and any team who plays them will have to work hard not to beat themselves.
KZOO - Could be another long year for the Hornets
Olivet - Alot coming back as always seems to be the case, but which Olivet will show up.
Trine - Big things from Trine, solid fast and young.  Good coaching staff who has a system and style they believe in, if they are going to make it over the hump this should be the year.

This is not a predicted order of finish, just another quick update on how I see the teams looking.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 03, 2008, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 02, 2008, 05:17:36 PM
FDF:
Not to be picky, however, Albion's first game non-league opponent Butler's football team is a member of the Pioneer League, the DIAA non-scholarship league; their basketball DI scholarship team plays in the other league.
Thanks for catching that (I've corrected my post). 

FYI - I don't consider accuracy to be picky   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on September 03, 2008, 08:47:13 AM
ADAWG good to hear from you...been sometime...

Weekly Picks
Adrian @ Capital:  Capital.  Home field, QB returning form injury, 14 starters back from a team that lost to just Mount and Whitewater last year.  I hope Adrian plays tough and wins, but it just seems like a very tough game.  Good opener.

Bluffton @ Alma:  Alma.  Bluffton was bad last year and I don't see them getting better especially with a new staff in place.  Whatever happen to the MIAA guys that were up for this job?  Did they not get it, turn it down?  That would've been interesting to see some MIAA guys coaching this team and having their first game be some MIAA teams.

Butler @ Albion:  Albion.  Albion and Rundle will rebound.  Like ADAWG said, they weren't very good last year, but only lost several games by tight margins, I believe.  I like Albion this year.   If they don't win, I see Rundle moving on.

IWU @ Hope:  IWU.  Nothing against Hope but they still won't win the non conference this year, but watch them be right in the thick when the chips are on the table this fall.

Denison @ Kzoo:  Denison.  Kzoo has young alum Zorbo coaching them.  They'll get better, but what is better...4-6?  The Big Red roll in this one.

Olivet @ Wittenberg:  Wittenberg.  I like Olivet, defending league champs, Dom is a good coach...but Witt at home is tough!

Manchester @ Trine.  Trine.  Manchester is weak, terrible and bad.  Trine rolls.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on September 03, 2008, 04:27:06 PM
ok my picks for this week

Capitail
bulter
alma
hope
witt
deision
trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 04, 2008, 09:11:32 AM
I've considered making my picks, but really don't know the football scene well enough (although those who have seen my hoops picks wonder why it hasn't stopped me there). 

Got a lot of work to get done in the next few days if I'm going to make it to the Hope game on Saturday, but I ususally seem to find a way.  Sounds like the weather should be fine (not nearly as hot as last years opener). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 06, 2008, 05:11:30 AM
Can't sleep...too excited for the first game.

I don't know the non-division opponents very well at all, so I won't even try to make predictions other than I think Trine will win.  I admit I am biased, but having seen them in scrimmage and the fact that they return so many key players has me believing they are going to take this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on September 06, 2008, 12:02:27 PM
nice weathear today for the first foobtall game yes
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 02:23:07 PM
Cap gets a pick-6 for a TD.  Unsportsmanlike after the TD makes it a 35 yd extra point that is blocked.

20-0 Cap
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 02:37:53 PM
Capital comes up with a goal line stand after Adrian had first-and-goal at the 2 just before half.

20-0 Cap at halftime
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 03:06:39 PM
Assman to Alexander again.  PAT good, Cap 27-0 over Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 03:34:17 PM
Capital D with another stand deep in their territory.  Offense takes over at their own 10, leading 27-0 heading to the 4th qtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 03:38:56 PM
Adrian scoops and scores on a Capital fumble on the first play of the 4th.  27-7 Cap.

Assman a little dinged up (ribs) and hasn't played since about the middle of the 3rd qtr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 03:43:12 PM
Capital answers Adrian's defensive TD on the next drive with a 4 play drive ending with a TD pass from back-up QB Alexander to Evan Blake.

34-7 Cap.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 03:46:49 PM
Adrian answers right back.  34-14 Capital, just under 12mins to go.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 04:09:10 PM
Capital wraps it up 34-14.  Stats to follow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JK on September 06, 2008, 04:27:32 PM
Some unofficial stats from the Cap broadcast team:

Capital 286 passing yards
Assman 10-16, 134 yds, 2 TD
N. Alexander 125 yds, 1 TD

Rushing- DeAndrea 9 carries/ 47 yds

Receiving- Alexander 6-113 yds- 2 TD
Evan Blake 4-62 yds- 1 TD

Adrian QB McGee had 115 passing yards, and their other "QB" Niplock did a little of everything, including being Adrian's leading rusher and having 6 catches.

Good luck to Adrian the rest of the way.   Have fun MIAA fans...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on September 06, 2008, 04:54:38 PM
hope lost by  3  today   they need help in extra point  missed 3 of them  today a big difference in the game and a big fumble   on the kick off return
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 06, 2008, 07:45:17 PM
Wittenberg scores at the 9:43 mark of the first quarter, Olivet scores at the 9:43 mark of the second quarter to tie the score at 7-7. The Tigers answer with a touchdown but miss the PAT kick for a 13-7 halftime lead.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 06, 2008, 08:49:03 PM
Hope is on a rather dubious streak, today's loss to IWU is now the 13th consecutive non-conference loss in a row, 12th in the regular season.  This dates back the 2004 opening win over John Carroll 21-20

DePauw 35, Hope 14
Wheaton 45, Hope 28
John Carroll 38, Hope 13
DePauw 38, Hope 12
Wheaton 48, Hope 7
Central, Iowa 24, Hope 13
DePauw 23, Hope 14
Wheaton 35, Hope 21
Mount Union 49, Hope 0 *** NCAA Tournament first round
UW-River Falls 54, Hope 24
Central, Iowa 36, Hope 17
Wheaton 42, Hope 7
Ill. Wesleyan 28, Hope 25

With games at Carthage, Eau Claire and a homer with Wheaton.......this streak might continue into 2009.  Though admittedly I know nothing of these teams.

Probably should point out Hope is 23-5 vs the MIAA in the same span with an outright title in 2006 and shared in 2007..........and also 15-1 in their last 16 MIAA games.

FWIW
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 06, 2008, 08:58:08 PM
Trine rolls 41-13 against Manchester.  Starters were rested most of the 4th quarter.   Trine barely won 14-9 last year against Manchester.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 06, 2008, 09:21:02 PM
We were watching the ND game today, and the announcer said something like "....not a bad play from the converted ND QB."

and someone who shall remain nameless deadpans "What was he Methodist?"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2008, 10:25:01 PM
Hope had just as much chance to win the game today as did IWU.  Too many mistakes, most inexcusable; aside from the poor special teams play particularly on kickoffs and the missed PAT's, the fumble on a potential scoring drive hurt, although the biggest hurt was giving up the long pass leading up to the TD right before the half.  This has happened for 4 straight years now (secondary giving up the long ball).  While IWU is a good team and deserved the win, Hope could have easily won the game as well.  IWU had huge linemen, a great QB and, of course, the CCIW's probable best WR.  Again, they are a good team and should compete well in their league this year.

Overall, a most disappointing opening season loss again for Hope and especially in front of a very nice Community Day crowd.  Great weather, although it did "spit" some rain for a few minutes just before and at the half, but that blew away and it was very warm for the rest of the game.   

On a side note, Mr. Ypsi (a CCIW poster and IWU alum and Eastern Michigan prof) and I did get a chance to meet and have a nice visit at halftime.  A nice gentlemen, although we knew that from his great posts in the past.  It is always great to meet our fellow posters/colleagues when the opportunity arises - nice to put faces with posting names. :)

I think Hope may have a chance for a win at their other non-conference games except for Wheaton, although certainly the other two games will be tough to win.  Hopefully, they'll rebound.

My personal feeling was that Butler would beat Albion today.  Butler is not the same lowly DIAA team it has been the past 3-4 years when it played Albion.  Other MIAA scores are about what I expected as well - and as most of you others had figured.  Bluffton is not a very good team.

Anyway, nice to see a good number of you posting.  Let's keep it up. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 07, 2008, 09:02:11 AM
Overview fo the Butler VS Albion Game
Great Weather, large crowd 3500-3700 fans.
Butler had a group of friendly fans who seemed to enjoy the area and game.

Butler was the superior team, with Albion playing very tough early on. Butler's size and skill positon play stayed focused and pulled a solid win.

The Brits scored first on a solid drive and a field goal.
Butler used the screen pass, slant passes, and 3 step drop very well.
Last year Butler ran the ball hard on Albion, in a change of direction this year and a marked improvment in line play on defensive line, Albion was pretty tough on the run.

Both offenses seem to struggle with consistant ball movemet, though Butlers mix of quick outs and timely power runs moved the chain on most drives. Late in the game a huge punt return by Butler set them up for a TD which then changed the tone of the game as Albion then had to try to open up the passing game to catch up. This lead to 3 and outs and Butler field postion for the final score.  20 -6.

A serious loss for the brits was Senior RB Bacurella is out probably for the season to a knee injury.  He is a hard running back who was a key to the running game.

The defense was much improved for Albion, with a good mix of rotation by coaching with the hot weather. Adjustments for the short and slant passs will be made and Albions defense will be good this year. I thought the DL played well, held the corners, and applied pressure though the 2 and 3 step quick outs make it tough to get to QB they did force short reads. LB play was rotation of players with a few new faces.

Offensivley Albion still is developing the OL and a consistant attack. Some QB rotation was shown this week with 2 Qb's seeing time. A little change of pace with these changes. This maybe something that is seen most weeks.
Albion has some size with a 2 tall TE and some speed in slot recievers.

Solid kicking game for Albion should be solid all year, A timing issue on a missed FG.

Overall Albion will be pretty solid and will finish higher than the coachs poll prediction. Young team showing signs of being a player. Get a little more on Offensive drive capability and it will be interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 10, 2008, 06:50:02 PM
How about some picks for this week?

Saturday, September 13
Defiance, Ohio at Adrian, 7 p.m. ET Adrian
Thiel, Pa. at Albion, 1 p.m. ET  Albion
Alma at Illinois Wesleyan, noon CT  IWU
Hope at Carthage, Wisc., 1 p.m. CT  Hope
Kalamazoo at Rockford, Ill., 1 p.m. CT  Rockford
Elmhurst, Ill. at Olivet, 1 p.m. ET  Elmhurst
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 10, 2008, 11:49:01 PM
I will go with:

Adrian
Albion
IWU
Carthage
Rockford
Elmhurst

I hope to see a few more MIAA wins but I think these are the results

I do not see a clear MIAA winner this year wide open race for the conference
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 11, 2008, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: D306 on September 10, 2008, 11:49:01 PM
I will go with:

Adrian
Albion
IWU
Carthage
Rockford
Elmhurst

I hope to see a few more MIAA wins but I think these are the results

I do not see a clear MIAA winner this year wide open race for the conference

As an IWU and CCIW partisan (but Michigan resident for almost 40 years), I certainly agree with IWU over Alma, and suspect Elmhurst will down Olivet, but I think Hope will break their non-con streak in Carthage.  It's the Red Men's first game, and Hope no doubt lost some jitters in the tight loss to IWU.  A Carthage win would not surprise me (they are VERY tough at home), but I'll pick Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on September 11, 2008, 04:16:32 PM
adrian
albion
alma
hope
rockford
olivet 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2008, 10:28:14 AM
Picks:

Adrian
Albion
Alma
Hope
Rockford
Olivet

Obviously im looking for a strong showing from the MIAA this week, Kzoo is questionable every week even against Rockford, Hope bounces back and Albion finds a way to win.  Olivet will depend as always on which Olivet team shows up.  Adrian could win big, home opener, looking for revenge after an opening loss.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 13, 2008, 08:24:31 PM
In case anyone was wondering the 70 points allowed today by Hope was the most ever and broke an 87 year old mark in a 65-0 loss.

http://hope.edu/pr/athletics/

I was told today the Irish are the new Dutch..........take the Spartans and the points, run don't walk.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2008, 08:43:05 PM
I was stunned by that Carthage/Hope score, since the concensus on the CCIW board seems to be that IWU has a more potent offense than Carthage.  Strange.

I thought Michigan thoroughly outplayed ND today, but when you have 8 fumbles, losing 4 of them, AND throw 2 interceptions, your gonna be hard-pressed to beat K'zoo.  TOs led directly to 21 Irish points, and prevented 2 likely TDs for the Wolverines - that game could have easily been a 31-14 win. :(  (I suspect that Nick Sheridan may have taken his last snaps today, barring mop-up action in a blowout.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 13, 2008, 09:58:50 PM
I think Michigan spent too much time trying to learn their offense, and not enough time learning how to field kicks, and tackling.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 14, 2008, 12:06:42 PM
Random comments:

Congrats to Kazoo, 1st win for the new coaching staff, big last minute drive for FG.

U OF M  playing too many of the young guys and trying too many Spread Plays before the team is up to speed on system.
Way to many drive killing or point generating for ND turnovers.
Hold onto the ball. Bad weather game, fundamentals win, not flash.
Have a quality RB, nice moves and great speed, watch for him the nice couple years

I attended the Albion game, man was it raining the whole day.
Great execution and ball protection for Albion.
The defense was strong and took away the run,  plugged up the middle and contained the edges forcing the flow to LB's, DE's pressured QB all game. This young group is shaping up to be a force.

Strong running, on a wet day, some good play calls with the passes in the flats, and use of TE.  Ball security was the key, as well as stopping the run.
Field crew at Albion did a great job having and maintaining the field as there literally was streams of water running by the field as the crew pumped the sidelines and cleared the field of play. The field has a nice crown on it so the water ran to the sidelines.

MIAA had a rough weekend, Hope and Alma score in the 30-40"s and take loss. Looks like we will see some wide open football during the conference play.

So who sets a personal record for Green Bay today VS. the Lions lousy tackling and weak Oline play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 14, 2008, 01:51:31 PM
Yes, good win for Kalamazoo.

Also good to see Albion and Adrian win as expected.

Alma's shootout with Illinois Wesleyan was no surprise, as both teams have potent offenses, but Alma's D is typically unable to keep up.

Hope's loss at Carthage was surprising.  Looks like a wide open conference race.

I don't know what the story is with Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
D306:

All the more reason for Albion to put in the new style synthetic turf! ;D  Hope needs to do this also and there is serious talk "'behind the scenes" for this happening possibly next year or in 2010.  Still, that remains to be seen.

I, too, was very surprised to see the Hope score - a pasting by Carthage.  I was not at the game, and while I'm sure Carthage is a good team, Hope must have self-destructed again.  Like Alma, you can't put up a ton of points without having your defense being able to stop some drives.  Anyway, like most of you, I see the conference race as another "shootout" this year and I think all have a shot at it except Kazoo.  Teams will obviously start "jockying" themselves in about a couple of weeks once conference play gets underway.

Despite the experience of playing some better teams, these losses still do not help in regards to the playoffs, at least for this year.  Perhaps in the long run in the sense that by playing better teams non-conference will help in experience "of the situation" per se, yet if you don't end up getting the better talent, your team is not going to progress in the playoffs against the consistent upper tier teams.  Then again, perhaps that is never going to happen for our MIAA due to the larger number of DII programs in our state competing for some of this talent - a situation that some of the other DIII regions don't have - this has been discussed before so is not a new theory obviously.

BTW, I agree, a nice win and good positive for Kazoo's program.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 14, 2008, 08:51:33 PM
D3DB

I think as you said the amount of D1 and DII teams in the general area does hurt the MIAA.
I know several players in the MIAA whom had preferred walk-on at D1 and DII offers but choose a DIII or D1 non scholarship school due to the Educational value, and the Academic Scholarships they recieved. Lets face it if you are not going to play on Sunday or are a "stud" I would pick one of the above schools over DII schools with few exceptions IE: Hillsdale if we speak locally. We all have been over this subject before on the site.

So who is with me wishing Drew Stanton was healthy, I would pull Kitna and try Stanton. Kitna has a knack of throwing interceptions forcing the action late in games. Late interceptions the last 2 weeks. he will never be a playoff quality QB. I will say the Oline is so porous that I am not sure Brady or Manning would be their great selves with this line. Look at Manning with Indys OL injures this year. Just a thought out of udder amazement at the new ways the Lions self distruct every week.

Packers look to be fine at QB give Rodgers this season he will be a player for a while. Smart QB and has a arm. Good example of letting a QB learn the game prior to putting them into the fire. Look at all the recent big name QB's must are failing miserably.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on September 15, 2008, 01:16:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2008, 08:43:05 PM
...the concensus on the CCIW board seems to be that IWU has a more potent offense than Carthage. 

Mr. Ypsi,

Who ever said that?  I don't think that was ever a topic we discussed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 15, 2008, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: usee on September 15, 2008, 01:16:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2008, 08:43:05 PM
...the concensus on the CCIW board seems to be that IWU has a more potent offense than Carthage. 

Mr. Ypsi,

Who ever said that?  I don't think that was ever a topic we discussed.

You nailed me, and 'concensus' was certainly too strong a word.  But there was talk of IWU having a very potent offense (perhaps as potent as any in the conference, with Ladd, Ceisel, Lanter - who may not even be the starting RB even when healthy the way Christian is going), but a suspect defense with all the graduation losses.  I just don't recall much talk of Carthage in the 'potent offense' department - it appears that either we were wrong, or my memory is shot!  (Or that too much should not be read in from one game!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2008, 02:37:40 AM
Oh I'd have to say IWU has the more potent offense

Look at these drives by Carthage

3 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
9 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
3 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
3 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN

Have you ever seen a team struggle to move the ball 0 yards like that before?  :P

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/08/HOPE.HTM
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 15, 2008, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on September 15, 2008, 02:37:40 AM
Oh I'd have to say IWU has the more potent offense

Look at these drives by Carthage

3 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
9 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
3 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
4 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN
3 plays 0 zero yards  TOUCHDOWN

Have you ever seen a team struggle to move the ball 0 yards like that before?  :P

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/08/HOPE.HTM

In "Comic Book Guy" voice: Strangest stats ever.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 16, 2008, 08:28:58 AM
Slight recording error, or just still stunned by the number of TD's and gave up recording  ;D

Wow never seen that many points in a game, was there any defense?
110+ points combined.
Looking at that drive chart you can see there must have been numerous "huge" plays with only 3-4 play drives.

matblake please tell me the CCIW is very strong this year, I noticed the MIAA is not doing well VS them this season.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 16, 2008, 01:06:30 PM
Quote from: D306 on September 16, 2008, 08:28:58 AM
matblake please tell me the CCIW is very strong this year, I noticed the MIAA is not doing well VS them this season.

A quick, unofficial tabulation of CCIW vs. MIAA contests since 2000 resulted in a 22-5 record in favor of the CCIW. 

Wheaton is 11-3 against the MIAA since 2000, with 2 of the losses going to Hope in 2000 & 2001.  Wheaton also lost to Alma the first game of the season in 2001, but Wheaton won the rematch during the playoffs.  So Wheaton has won their last 10 games against the MIAA.

The rest of the CCIW is 11-2 against the MIAA since 2000.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on September 16, 2008, 04:18:35 PM
Elmhurst is 3-4 lifetime against the MIAA
Alma  0-4
Olivet 3-0

Alma's games were pretty lopsided.  Elmhurst and Olivet's games have been more competitive.  Elmhurst has won 16 straight non-conference games but has continued to be sub .500 in the CCIW.  (Makes me think EC should consider switching i.e. NAC).
Looking at some of the series Elmhurst has a winning series record vs. only 1 school NPU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 16, 2008, 04:24:37 PM
Quote from: D306 on September 16, 2008, 08:28:58 AM
matblake please tell me the CCIW is very strong this year, I noticed the MIAA is not doing well VS them this season.

I hate to be an annoying nit-picker, but it depends on what you mean by strong.  I would say at this point in the season, the front runners Wheaton and North Central competed well. Despite the scheme change, Augustana has looked like Augustana as far as the wins go so far and you can't rule them out to challenge for the conference crown.  With the personnel losses that IWU and Carthage had due to graduation and enlistment, we are still in a wait and see mode as far as their strength, although Carthage's point total is impressive and IWU has beaten 2 of the top teams in the MIAA. I would characterize Elmhurst to be a wait and see mode too.  Millikin is unknown and North Park has struggled.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 16, 2008, 04:50:27 PM
formerd3db:

What happened on saturday?  I dont know that I have ever seen or heard of a Hope team giving up points on that scale.  A credible source informs me that the Dutch had a hard time adjusting to trips all day, but that seems a bit far fetched as reasoning for 70 pts.

Adrians defense looks tough again, Id say it is an improvement  over what was a very solid unit last year, very fast to the ball with a nose for negative yardage plays.  Having watched them saturday against Defiance id say they will give all the other MIAA teams a hard time this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 16, 2008, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 16, 2008, 04:50:27 PM
formerd3db:
Adrians defense looks tough again, Id say it is an improvement  over what was a very solid unit last year, very fast to the ball with a nose for negative yardage plays.  Having watched them saturday against Defiance id say they will give all the other MIAA teams a hard time this season.
I wouldn't get too excited about how tough their d looked against Defiance.  DC is going to struggle offensively this year against all of their opponents. 
They did on the other hand do a good job shutting down Cap's run game.  They'll have another field day against Bluffton & should beat Lake Erie too. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2008, 06:31:58 PM
I second what dc_hasbeen said.  Defiance doesn't have a legitimate passing offense. 

I don't doubt that Adrian's defense will be good (they've come a long way since we've played them), but I don't think Defiance tested them one bit.  Good luck this year.

Sounds like formerd3db could be in for a long year.  Sorry to hear that.  You're one of the most classy people on this website.  Its probably a blessing in disguise with all the wedding planning going on.  Sidenote, I know we talk about this annually, but I haven't yet got to thank you for what you did for me that day at Alma in 1999.  This is the year I think, my cousin and I are meeting in Salem for the Stagg Bowl.  I'll even lend you a TMC shirt, should you make it!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 16, 2008, 07:08:54 PM
I agree with Dc_has_been and SaintsFAN, DC hasnt had a legit offense overall for several years.  Not knocking DC as they were a very solid program in my playing days but it seems that recently when they can run thy cant pass and vis versa.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 17, 2008, 02:21:25 AM
"long season"

This is Hope's non-conference results from a year ago.......

Sep 01   UW-RIVER FALLS......... 24-54 L
Sep 08   CENTRAL................ 17-36 L
Sep 22   at Wheaton College.....  7-42 L

They ended up MIAA co-champs, as I've said before losing non-conf games is nothing new to Hope, we're up to 14 in row now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 17, 2008, 09:47:03 AM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on September 17, 2008, 02:21:25 AM
"long season"

This is Hope's non-conference results from a year ago.......

Sep 01   UW-RIVER FALLS......... 24-54 L
Sep 08   CENTRAL................ 17-36 L
Sep 22   at Wheaton College.....  7-42 L

They ended up MIAA co-champs, as I've said before losing non-conf games is nothing new to Hope, we're up to 14 in row now.


... and in 06 Hope went 7-0 in the conference after an 0-3 start.  So while these pre-conference games have long been a struggle for Hope, the conference games are more manageable.  Speaks volumes about the strength (or lack thereof) of the conference.

Makes me wonder if the tough pre-conf games make Hope that much hungrier when the conf games begin.  The fear of course is that you could end up with "beaten puppy syndrome" if your non-conf games are blow-outs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 17, 2008, 11:31:41 AM
I think a tough non-conference schedule is a positive, though I would like to get 1 win at least and play a few teams that are competitive.
I agree I worry about the large blow-out, no chance to win games.

The sad truth is the MIAA has not been very competitive once we hit the Playoff's.  There are teams in many conferences that the MIAA upper echelon can compete and defeat.

I do not know what it will take to get there, the disparity in support from the College Admin. at many Colleges is obvious.
The sheer number of DI, DII, and DIII Colleges in area also is a issue.
This reduces the depth of talent available to MIAA teams, and also reduces the depth in a program, injuries become a killer as the 2nd string or younger players are not near the starters level.

I look forward to a very competitive MIAA, but do not see a long playoff run for the eventual conference champion. I hope I am wrong and a young team develops into a power through season.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 17, 2008, 04:14:05 PM
While a long play-off run would be great, I think we would all celebrate a single first round win in the tournament.  Given the recent history of the MIAA, I think that has to be the first step.

Oh well, all of that is still a long way off, and there are games to be played.  Best of luck to all the teams this weekend, and most importantly, here's to an injury free game (and practices)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 17, 2008, 04:36:50 PM
And speaking of games to be played, this week:

Saturday, September 20
Bluffton, Ohio at Adrian, 1 p.m. ET 
Albion at Millikin, Ill., 1 p.m. CT
Rockford, Ill. at Alma, 1 p.m. ET
Hope at UW-Eau Claire, 1 p.m. CT
Manchester, Ind. at Kalamazoo, 1 p.m. ET
Olivet at Concordia, Ill. 1 p.m. CT
Trine at Defiance, Ohio, 1:30 p.m. ET

I'm thinking the winners will be:

Adrian
Millikin
Alma
UW-Eau Claire
Manchester
Olivet
Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 18, 2008, 08:00:38 AM
Interesting discussion on Mike & Mike (on ESPN) this morning.  They were selecting their game of the week.  Each week they are picking a game between little known shools, and then asking their listeners to "name the game".  This morning they discussed the Hope vs Eua Clare game, but passed on it.  They did settle on Trine vs Defiance
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 18, 2008, 08:19:50 AM
I am glad a DIII game was mentioned.

I never understood, how with America's love of Football.
The DIII games are not on ESPN Locals or ESPN 6 or what ever.

They have all kinds of HS games, Football and Basketball.
ESPN has non sports like paint ball league on TV for Gods sake. >:(

OKO I am done with my whining.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2008, 07:18:11 PM
DAWG:

Sorry for the delay in this reply.  I don't know what happened last Sat but it was obviously not good (I was unable to attend and cover the game as I had to go to a required conference in Florida).  Anyway, it appears that Adrian has the upper edge so far in regards to the MIAA teams, although it is still way too early to tell.  As I mentioned here previously, these next two weekends should obviously give us all a little better indication - yet as we all know, the MIAA race is almost always unpredictable.

Anyway, for you and all our colleagues here, my picks for this week are:

Adrian (over Bluffton)
Milliken (over Albion)
Alma (over Rockford)
Hope (in an upset over Eau Claire ;D)
Manchester (over Kazoo)
Olivet (over Concordia, IL)
Trine (over Defiance)

Good luck to everyone's teams and please drive safely for all of you who will traveling to the games.  We need you home safely!  It looks like we'll have some nice weather again after all that rain (hopefully!) ;)  Later, friends.

formerd3db

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 20, 2008, 12:26:15 PM
Picks, im cutting it close but here goes.

Adrian over Bluffton
Albion over Millikin
Alma over Rockford
Eau Claire over Hope
Olivet over Concordia
Trine over Defiance
Kzoo over Manchester
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 20, 2008, 07:54:31 PM
Here's how the "Clash of Mother Nature's Wrath" turned out this afternoon:

Trine Thunder:  42
Defiance Yellowjackets:  14

Tune into ESPN2 or ESPN radio from 6:00 - 10:00 AM on Monday morning to hear Mike & Mike in the Morning interview Coach Matt Land.  They're also supposed to break down this game and show highlights.

;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 21, 2008, 12:14:02 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on September 20, 2008, 07:54:31 PM
Here's how the "Clash of Mother Nature's Wrath" turned out this afternoon:

Trine Thunder:  42
Defiance Yellowjackets:  14

Tune into ESPN2 or ESPN radio from 6:00 - 10:00 AM on Monday morning to hear Mike & Mike in the Morning interview Coach Matt Land.  They're also supposed to break down this game and show highlights.

;D

Final score from "The Clash" was just mentioned at the end of SportsCenter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 21, 2008, 10:04:17 AM
D306 bemoaned earlier the absence of D3 sports on TV  -  imagine my surprise last night, when arising at 1:00 AM I decided to briefly turn on the TV to check out a score or two, I found Baldwin Wallace vs John Carroll on STO (sports time Ohio) -  I couldn't leave it and stayed up past 2:00 watching BW win with less than 2 minutes left.   Totally entertaining.

When ESPNU was developed, I thought that was the channel that might give D3 more exposure - unfortunately, it hasn't.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 21, 2008, 12:45:38 PM
STO wish we had someting like that.
I would watch "late night" or tuesday reruns of the DIII games Thanks for the heads up Hopefan

Albion was the tale of 2 games. Absolutley no offense in first half less than 50 yards total. The defense had troubles with the quick passes in flats and 2 step drop quick outs again, then the delayed draw would bust the middle for gains. At the half 24-0 Milliken
2nd half started with the defense "challening" Milliken and pulling up on the short routes and pitched a great 2nd half, only points allowed were on a interception return to the Albion 2 and Milliken punched it in.  The offense came alive with a mix of quick hits, and seam routes that moved the ball, had some chances late but could not finish.

Final was 30-13

Albion had the ball in the RED zone a few times and could not come away with points.

This inabiity to control the ball, through a power run, and finish drives offensively, along with the defenses "soft zone" are the major issues that Albion will need to work on to win more games.

Tough game with central coming to town next week and in a bad mood after taking a loss they did not expect.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on September 21, 2008, 01:59:19 PM
d306,

thanks for your report on the millikin game and your visits to the cciw board. good luck to albion the rest of the way.

btw, it's Millikin (with an 'i'), not Milliken.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 21, 2008, 06:46:40 PM
usee

Millikin (spelling ;D) was a nice looking field, and school. Did not get to see all of the campus running late Saturday. I am a fan of Grass fields.


Best of luck to you and yours.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 21, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
D306  -  I'm actually now in Missouri - The STO I mentioned is available on Direc TV on channel 662 - Don't know if it's a weekly feature to cover D3 or not, but the telecast was totally oriented towards the OAC - updating OAC scores several times.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 21, 2008, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: hopefan on September 21, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
D306  -  I'm actually now in Missouri - The STO I mentioned is available on Direc TV on channel 662 - Don't know if it's a weekly feature to cover D3 or not, but the telecast was totally oriented towards the OAC - updating OAC scores several times.

I know that all five Baldwin-Wallace home games will be on STO ... I don't know for sure, but I would assume that for the rest of the weeks, another OAC game will be featured.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 21, 2008, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: usee on September 21, 2008, 01:59:19 PM
d306,

thanks for your report on the millikin game and your visits to the cciw board. good luck to albion the rest of the way.

btw, it's Millikin (with an 'i'), not Milliken.



You'll have to forgive Michigan residents for constantly spelling Millikin wrong.  Milliken is a famous name in Michigan politics,.......William Milliken was governor from 1969 to 1983.


So this post can be filed in my "what I learned today" file.........Michigan has had just 5 governors since 1963 and just 7 since 1949.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 21, 2008, 11:04:26 PM
And IMO Bill Milliken was the best governor of the last few decades (as well as the last Republican I've voted for ;)).

Now whether or not D306 is old enough to use Bill as an excuse, I don't know! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 22, 2008, 08:46:24 AM
Technically I am old enough to use Bill Milliken as an excuse, I use Bill becuase we are tight.

Is that why?, not sure but it sounds good to me.  :D

Another week another loss for the Lie-downs, how do you give up already and it is 3 games into a season?

Better question, is why do I care? 




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SKOT on September 24, 2008, 12:57:00 PM
The Trine-Defiance game made espn.com yesterday.  Its under the "Obsucre College Score of the Week" section.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/080923&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab6pos1#obscure
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 25, 2008, 09:04:23 PM
Saturday, September 27
Adrian at Lake Erie, Ohio, 1 p.m.
Central, Ia. at Albion, 1 p.m. (HC)
UW-River Falls at Alma, 1 p.m. (HC)
Wheaton, Ill. at Hope, 7 p.m.
Kalamazoo at Bluffton, Ohio, 1:30 p.m.
North Central, Ill. at Olivet, 6 p.m.
Franklin, Ind. at Trine, 1 p.m.

Picks:
Adrian
Central
Alma
Wheaton
Kalamazoo
North Central
Franklin
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 26, 2008, 07:08:16 AM
Adrian over lake Erie
Central Over Albion what ever happened to playing a "easy" team for HC?
UW over Alma Ditto above comment
Wheaton over Hope
Kazoo over Bluffton
North Central over Olivet
Franklin over Trine


The MIAA will again have a brutal week in non conference.

I will say it again no undefeated teams in league play, wide open as to who wins league.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 26, 2008, 11:40:19 AM
Did Hope try to compile the hardest nonconference schedule possible? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 26, 2008, 12:21:12 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on September 26, 2008, 11:40:19 AM
Did Hope try to compile the hardest nonconference schedule possible? 

I actually thought this years was softer next to last years

UW-River Falls 54, Hope 24
Central, Iowa 36, Hope 17
Wheaton 42, Hope 7

I could be wrong but I thought in 2006 all 3 non-conf teams were in the D3 tournament the year before.  DePauw, Wheaton and Central, Ia.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on September 27, 2008, 01:52:59 PM
what a nice night for some hope football and maybe there 1st win for the year tonight at  7.00
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 27, 2008, 08:43:43 PM
Trine 30   Franklin 27

Awesome game...back and forth the entire time.

Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 27, 2008, 09:07:41 PM
Quote from: D306 on September 26, 2008, 07:08:16 AM

I will say it again no undefeated teams in league play, wide open as to who wins league.



There is one MIAA team undefeated going into league play.   ;)

http://www.trine.edu/trineathletics/football/archives.cfm

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 28, 2008, 09:08:40 PM
A majority of d3 conferences have formal 'pick 'ems' contests (Pick-Ems, under 'General Football') - how are we ever gonna be a 'power' conference without a pickems contest?! ;D

Therefore, with the onset of conference play, I've started one.  Since it is brand new, I've kept the rules as simple as possible.  I hope (and for all you other fans, that's a lower-case h on hope! ;D) you'll come play!

Just make sure you whup this CCIW guy (though 38+ year Michigan resident) or you may be hearing about it! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 28, 2008, 09:45:50 PM
Great win for Trine yesterday.  The conference hasn't had a quality win like that yet this season.  Adrian was as expected.  I did think that either Kalamazoo or Alma had a shot as well.  The Scot defense actually did what it needed to in the last 13 minutes of the 4th quarter, stopping River Falls on a couple of drives and handing the offense decent field position.  Tough loss in front of a great homecoming crowd at Bahlke Field.

Now conference play begins, and our friend Mr. Ypsi has been so kind as to get a real pick 'em contest going.  Thanks!  Let's get some discussion going.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 28, 2008, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: D306 on September 26, 2008, 07:08:16 am

I will say it again no undefeated teams in league play, wide open as to who wins league.




There is one MIAA team undefeated going into league play.   

letitrain

I will say great win for Trine solid team to beat.

I will stick by the no undefeated teams in the MIAA play.
I hope Trine continues to play well, have not seen them play yet this year.

League play is a whole different thing than non conference play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 29, 2008, 07:26:50 AM
D306 - I couldn't agree more.  I hope that the Trine boys stay focused on what really counts - league play.  It may be great to beat a nationally ranked team, but that's not what's going to put a championship ring on their fingers.  And we're starting out with a team that is going to be chomping at the bit for a win this weekend - Hope. 

I believe I misunderstood your original comment.  I thought you meant no one would be undefeated going into league play - not coming out of league play.  I'll have to wait and post again after Trine defeats Adrian on 11/8.   ;)

Good luck to all teams this season.  Let's pray for everyone to play at the top of their game and for no major injuries.  Should make for an exciting MIAA season overall.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2008, 05:43:19 PM
I've always been a believer in the philosophy that by playing upper tier teams in non-conference will make your own team better, not only for the immediate season, but also for the successive years regarding participating in the playoffs.  One can argue that might not hold true since the make-up of the team's players changes over that time.  On the other hand, the reverse can be said as playing lesser talented non-conference teams, as some of the schools have done in the past, doesn't help you either in both one's own league or the playoffs. 

All that being said, I'm beginning to question my first theory after all these years.  My Hope, for example, just doesn't seem able to "turn the corner" in that regard - this makes 4 consecutive years of an 0-for something start against very good non-conference teams.  I am not quite sure about the reasons why, yet obviously there could be several explanations for that and/or a combination of those.  I would think, however, that by "staying the course" and continuing to play upper tier competition, that eventually it will work i.e. at least in changing the over-all "attitude" in approaching that type of competition.  By that, I mean to compare the example of Northwestern in the Big Ten, that I have used for several years.  Formerly, the laughingstock of that league, and while they will obviously never be a powerhouse, still they have a good program, even in their "down" years of recent and are very competitive.  Question remains, will that eventually work for Hope and the other MIAA schools?? ???

Congrats to Trine on a fine start.  Now it will, indeed, get interesting with the opening of league play.  I have to agree with the rest of you - chances of any MIAA team going undefeated in league play, IMO, are "slim and none". ;)

On another topic (and quickly), I think the wonderful fall weather will now be leaving us most likely, although I hope not.  Get out your team jackets, parkas and gloves (and umbrellas perhaps). ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 29, 2008, 05:55:10 PM
former,

In the previous three 0-fer non-con seasons, Hope has proceded to go 18-3 in conference!  I'd say the tough schedule works pretty darn well! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2008, 10:58:46 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Indeed, that is true and really great in that it secures the league title and automatic bid - we always love that! ;D  Yet, at least for this year, while I don't want to admit it (and will still be heavily rooting that we do win the title), I am less confident that it will be repeated in the same fashion. :( ???  The league race will be much tougher this year I believe and, as always, it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the next 2-3 week OR down to the last week as had occurred on many occasions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2008, 11:31:27 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 30, 2008, 10:58:46 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Indeed, that is true and really great in that it secures the league title and automatic bid - we always love that! ;D  Yet, at least for this year, while I don't want to admit it (and will still be heavily rooting that we do win the title), I am less confident that it will be repeated in the same fashion. :( ???  The league race will be much tougher this year I believe and, as always, it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the next 2-3 week OR down to the last week as had occurred on many occasions.

Don't JUST be 'interest[ed] to see how that plays out', come join us on the MIAA pickems [General Football/Pick-Ems] contest I set up!  There's only 3 of us so far, but this is opening week (so no one is behind) and I hope to be kept busy tabulating results. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: old 40 on October 01, 2008, 10:26:16 PM
Picks for this week, week 1 in the NAC race;

M.Baptist  at CUW- CUW. Ouch this will hurt. 46-0

WLC at CUC- CUC 28-24 in a close offensive game.

Rockford at Lakeland- Rockford has the "O" and QB, Should be low scoring but Rockford prevails 14-12.

BU at AU. AU begins their run in a big way. 38-3. AU out to revenge last years lost at BU. BU is not firing on all cylinders this year.

Good Luck to everyone's teams and safe travels.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: old 40 on October 02, 2008, 08:22:35 AM
I apologize to the MIAA board. I made a mistake on my NAC picks and clicked on the wrong conference. Good Luck to your teams this week. Your conference did a number on our conference in th non-conference schedule. Good Luck.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 03, 2008, 06:44:13 PM
Reminder to all that there is a new MIAA Pick Ems contest on the Pick Ems boards.  We've got 7 entries so far; you've got about 18 hours to join us!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 04, 2008, 01:13:33 PM
Not doing pick em or league picks, getting ready to head up to enjoy some adult beverages and tailgate.  Only pick.

Adrian in a blowout!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2008, 06:37:36 PM
Trine wins at Hope, 31-30.  Heard it was a wild one.  A blocked extra point at the end....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 04, 2008, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2008, 06:37:36 PM
Trine wins at Hope, 31-30.  Heard it was a wild one.  A blocked extra point at the end....

I guess it is a matter of perspective.  I was there ... and it didn't seem all that wild ... but I'm sure Trine loved it.

I think the PAT guy for Hope missed two earlier in the game and there was murmuring at the end that Hope should have gone for two and the win rather than kicking after the final TD ... and ending up with a loss.  Of course ... hindsight is 20-20!

I was more intrigued when I heard the 10-5 score of Albion and Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2008, 07:19:15 PM
I could not make the game, but was lucky that my wife could give me up-to-the minute updates.  The stats said there were two blocked PAT's.  It looks like both teams exchanged scores until the very end.  I did not not realize it was their homecoming.  Heard that Hope had a very good passing attack.  Hope had only 1 yard rushing, 497 passing.  Trine was 135 rush, 321 pass. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2008, 10:48:24 PM
I was there (at our Homecoming vs. Trine) and it was only "a wild one" in the last few minutes of the game.  I was very impressed with Trine - very big, very fast, and physical.  Excellent passing game and your QB is superb in play action faking and passing; punter excellent.  While Trine is the better team, Hope did have its chances to win and pullout the upset.

On a turnover late in the 4th quarter, Hope gets down around the 14 yard line and is unable to get the ball in the endzone in 4 tries.  Trine subsequently goes down the field passing, Hope stops them and Trine settles for a FG making it 24-16.  Hope comes back (via passing) to score with about 6 minutes (as I recall the clock), goes for two and makes it tying the score.  Trine then comes back with their passing (hammering Hope as they did all day with this) all the way up the field, then scores on a run - Score 31-24.  Ensuing kickoff is bobbled, putting Hope in poor field postion, however a long bomb almost scores, our WR tackled around the 5 yard line.  Hope passes it in to make it 31-30 with under 40 seconds left.  We elect to go for the tie, and as has been mentioned in the other posts, the kick is blocked (again like it was earlier), preserving Trine's win - a well deserved one, albeit slightly lucky today.

Of course, people are going to "second guess" the call as you mention in going for the tie vs. going for two.  It was a flip of the coin.  I would have made the same call - odds are that we should have made the extra point - yet our PAT team failed us today - both blocks coming right up the middle.  If there had been more time, then perhaps going for two would have been the better choice, still allowing a chance at a FG for the win, but with under 40 seconds left, essentially impossible.

Hope's running game was essentially non-existent (a couple of nice runs but that was about it), offensive blocking fair, defensive secondary is the Achilles Heel unfortunately and has been all season with receivers blowing by almost everyone, which I can't understand; our defense got somewhat hammered today and blown out several times.  Overall, I personally sensed no enthusiasm by our Hope players - I realize being 0-4 going into this game is demoralizing, however, one has to "stay the course" and bounce back with enthusiastic determination.  You can't just "go through the motions".  Anyway, a very nice post-game speech by Coach Kreps in presenting the challenge to the players and not giving up.  I hope they will  bounce back, yet next week's game is at Albion and that is always a tough stadium and atmosphere to play in, one in which we've come out on the short end more than we like. 

Today, was a beautiful day for the game (slightly chilly needing a jacket) but wonderful fall day, nice size Homecoming crowd (not the biggest we've had), but yet a disappointing day for us Hopester's.  This will now be an extremely difficult challenge to even have a chance at the league title.  Right now, IMO, Trine, Albion, Adrian (and perhaps Alma) are the ones in favor - although as we all know, the MIAA can be unpredictable in the second half of the season.

Congratulations to Trine on a nice win and putting them in great position [for now  ;)].  Time to regroup for us, put this one behind and get ready for next week.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 05, 2008, 08:32:09 AM
good luck to trine  rest of the year   and it was a great game yesterday
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 05, 2008, 01:43:36 PM
I was also at the Trine/Hope game yesterday.  The last 4 minutes were almost heart-stopping from my perspective.  Hope's QB and two receivers were all but unstoppable during the entire game, which was incredibly frustrating for the Trine fans (as well as the team, I'm sure).  We knew it was going to be a tough game and it was.  Good luck to Hope for the rest of the season.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 05, 2008, 05:33:30 PM
Adrian as expected looked great against KZoo.  Offense came out right away firing on all cylinders, Running game was completely dominant and Kzoo had no answer for it, something to the tune of 400+ rushing yards I believe and over 7yds per carry was a dominant showing.  Niblock looked great at QB when he was in and Mike Mcgee did a very good job as well when throwing.  Defense did a great job on the game as well and outside of the two TD's that K scored in the second quarter when already down big early the Defense did a great job of keeping K out of the endzone.  300 passing yds isnt to much to be worried about either with 50 attempts, add to that a total of 25 rushing yards and a 1.6ypc for K and Adrian looked great.  Really looking forward to the Adrian vs. Trine came this year and hoping I can get out of work for it.  Congrats to the winners this week, especially to Adrian one step closer to the MIAA crown, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 06, 2008, 02:31:58 PM
Good weekend of Football last week.

Close games last weekend, Olivet and Albion played tough D.
The offenses will be the key to these teams season, both defenses will keep them in the game, have to get a little more consistant drives on offense and they will both be a factor.

Trine and Hope put on a offensive show, moving the ball, tough way to lose Homecoming for Hope missing Extra points.  Great effort by Trine to get I believe their first win at Hope.

This weekends key games:

Trine VS Alma we will find out how Alma is this year, Trine has proved their metal with 2 very big wins already this year. Alma's Scot Gun puts up points, how will the defense handle the diverse Trine attack.

Hope travels to Albion, Hope needs to settle the ship, I can not believe the losing trend can last all year. As Albion's offense Gels they will very tough to beat. The flow was better last game for Albion getting a good mix on play calls.
Dline has been very good for Albion, nice rotation of players in the line play.
The defense improves through out the game, as players are fresh and the in-game adjustments lead to strong second half.


Adrian was too powerful for Kazoo, and continues to validate their high preseason league ranking. Kazoo is wide open on offense always a exciting game. Adrian has a BYE week. Then a trip to Albion for what should be a key game this year in league.

I will go with Trine, Olivet, and Albion this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 07, 2008, 06:27:14 PM
i think hope is going to play a good game at albion and maybe get there 1st win of the year 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2008, 11:12:28 PM
Quote from: hope1 on October 07, 2008, 06:27:14 PM
i think hope is going to play a good game at albion and maybe get there 1st win of the year 

As much as I would like that, it will be an extremely tough task to pull off for obvious reasons, notwithstanding the fact that we've always had difficultly playing at S-S Stadium/Morley Fraser Field (formerly Alumni Field). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 10, 2008, 01:15:22 PM
Untill last season, Hope was 0-11-1 since the early 80's playing at Albion.

Overall, I think they have about 11 total wins on Albion's field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 11, 2008, 03:39:23 PM
hope lost to albion today 28 to 21 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 11, 2008, 04:42:32 PM
Is it possible to lose back to back conference games in a more dramatic way.  A punt return with under 5 minutes to go?  Seriously?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 11, 2008, 05:26:23 PM
I may be the last to jump ship, but I'm officially quitting on Michigan's season. :(

After their stirring rally against Wisconsin, I though they might have a shot at a decent bowl.  After they were blown out by Illinois, I held out hope they might still win 7 games.  After they lost for the first time ever to a MAC team today (mind you, a 1-4 MAC team!), I now can't see how they win more than 4 games, and that may be a stretch. >:(  (BTW, the Illini juggernaut lost today to the all-powerful Gophers.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 11, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
Don't worry Mr. Ypsi, there is always MSU ;D.  They looked good against Northwestern, but they have a tough test against OSU next week. 

Congrats to Trine to keep the train rolling. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 11, 2008, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 11, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
Don't worry Mr. Ypsi, there is always MSU ;D.  They looked good against Northwestern, but they have a tough test against OSU next week. 

Congrats to Trine to keep the train rolling. 

Pointing to the success of the Spartans is NOT a way to cheer up a Wolverine! >:( ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2008, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: sac (in exile) on October 11, 2008, 04:42:32 PM
Is it possible to lose back to back conference games in a more dramatic way.  A punt return with under 5 minutes to go?  Seriously?

Well, sac, yes it is.  Especially when mistakes are made that simply shouldn't be i.e. poor technique, missed tackles, poor coverage, no blocking.  Not to mention a fumble, an interception (a ball that should have been thrown away) that killed two drives that would (most likely) have resulted in scores.

The day was gorgeous (80 degress - very hot); I was quite surprised to see such a sparse crowd at Albion - shocking actually.  While Albion has not had a stellar year by their standards, still, they usually get more home attendance than what was there yesterday (I don't know if they had "fall break" like Hope did this weekend through Tuesday or not).  Without having checked the box score before posting this, I would have estimated the number of spectators in the home side stands in S-S stadium at about 600.  Field was in great condition, but...I still "hate" that field and stadium - too many bad memories for us Hope guys, both as former players and now alumni/fans! ;D

I almost hate to say (or admit) this, however, I am almost starting to believe that Hope is just not a very good football team this year :-\.  I thought perhaps we just were on the short end of some plays, bad luck or whatever, however, too many simple mistakes which all goes back to making basic plays, technique and fundamental football.  With yesterday's loss, Hope assured themselves of a losing season, one of only a few in the last 30 years.  However, at 0-6, this seems to bring Hope back to the time before they had consistent winning teams/contenders back 40-50 years ago.

I know the players and coaching staff are disappointed and perplexed (not to mention us fans :() Regardless, I hope the kids bounce back and at least give it their all for the remainder of the season and salvage what they can.  Next weekend's "bye" should help in "regrouping".  But then we have Adrian and Alma before concluding with Olivet and Kazoo.  On paper, the first two should be the toughest challlenges, however, none of them can be overlooked. 

At any rate, congrats to Trine on the win over Alma at home.  It's not a done deal yet, but Trine right now is in "the driver's seat".  Yet, as we all know, anything can happen in the last 3-4 weeks of an MIAA season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 12, 2008, 11:01:42 AM
D3DB

Hope VS Albion was a story of 2 halfs.
Hope was contolling the line and moving the ball the first several drives, and let points get away. With turnovers. Had field position all half.
Albion left a TD on the field just before Halftime and got no points out of it.

2nd half was mainly Albion, moved ball on ground, stopped Hope except for a big 2 play drive and nice throw by Hope QB hit WR in stride on long sideline pass..
The defense really stepped up for Albion in the 3-4 th quarter.
I have said this all year the rotation and depth of the D is Albions strength late in games they are not tired and they make big plays.
Albion O is finding groove, passing game has opened the running lanes up so teams can not put 8 in the box and load up on the run.

Yes it is "break" everyone left town, Thursday/Friday

Good game another tough loss for Hope, big OL and DL. Big plays hurt. Solid team I think a little snake.

Does not get any easier for Albion.   Adrian next week, then Trine on the road. Before finishing with Kazoo and Alma on the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Parker45 on October 12, 2008, 10:05:46 PM
I read earlier in these posts,  talk about no team going undefeated. I think Trine has as good of a shot as any in a long time. They have shown a lot of poise for such a young team. Who was the last team in the MIAA to do it? I can't think of one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 12, 2008, 10:11:35 PM
Quote from: Parker45 on October 12, 2008, 10:05:46 PM
I read earlier in these posts,  talk about no team going undefeated. I think Trine has as good of a shot as any in a long time. They have shown a lot of poise for such a young team. Who was the last team in the MIAA to do it? I can't think of one.

If your talking MIAA Hope went unbeaten in 2006 7-0

If your talking full season 1996 Albion was the last to do it.

1897 Kalamazoo (5-0)
1898 Kalamazoo (5-0) 
1901  Olivet (8-0)
1911 Adrian (8-0)
1916 Kalamazoo (7-0)
1925 Michigan State (8-0)
1928  Albion (8-0)
1932 Hillsdale (8-0)
1935 Alma (8-0)
1938 Hillsdale (8-0)
1942 Alma (7-0)
1948 Alma (8-0)
1949  Hillsdale (8-0) 
1955 Hillsdale (9-0)
1956 Hillsdale (9-0)
1961 Albion (8-0)
1962 Kalamazoo (8-0)
1964  Albion (8-0)
1967  Alma (8-0)
1968 Alma (8-0)
1969 Albion (8-0)
1976 Albion (9-0)
1980 Adrian (9-0)
1984 Hope (9-0)
1991 Albion (9-0)
1993  Albion (9-0)
1994  Albion (9-0)
1996     Albion (9-0)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2008, 07:41:56 AM
Quote from: Parker45 on October 12, 2008, 10:05:46 PM
I read earlier in these posts,  talk about no team going undefeated. I think Trine has as good of a shot as any in a long time. They have shown a lot of poise for such a young team. Who was the last team in the MIAA to do it? I can't think of one.

I like Trine's chances, but it looks like Albion handled Hope easier than Trine did.  Albion and Adrian are both going to have much to say re: the final MIAA results.  Albion / Adrian should be a great game.  KZoo is going to catch some teams as well.  THe MIAA is still wide open.  I don't think anyone can be overlooked or afford to be over-confident. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2008, 04:48:56 PM
D306:

Thanks for the further infor regarding Albion being on fall break.  I thought there had to be some underlying reason why attendance was sparse.  The official listing of attendance in the Box Score lists just over 2000, however, I think they were counting players and soccer people!  It sure didn't look like that many to me.  Anyway, I agree with your assessment of the game.  My point was simply that Hope is not playing well at all to win games in which they have a chance at.

Uncle Rico:  Actually, I think that Trine overall handled Hope better.  While last week's game against Trine for us was close in score, in reality, if you saw they game, it really was not, IMO.  Trine made some mistakes in the last quarter that let it be that close; Hope just couldn't cash in.  Trine basically just ran over and passed over Hope.  With regards to this past weekend's Albion game, while Albion did not have a great first half as D306 relates, they really did not run over Hope at all until the last 2 minutes of the game.  The game was indeed a "true" close one including the score -again Hope just made mistakes that cost them the game. 

I agree with you though that Albion and Adrian will have a big role in determining the outcome.  Like hope did back in 2006, all Trine needs to do is keep winning the rest of the way.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2008, 06:43:12 PM
Thanks for the perspective, D306.  I could not make the Trine - Hope game, work keeps getting in the way of my personal life.  I based my observations merely on the scores (not always an accurate picture), and the fact that Hope came so close to at least tying it in the end against Trine.  I am very much a Trine fan, but there is so much parity in this league that no game on the schedule is a clear W for anyone.   No one can be taken lightly.  I have a feeling this season will age a lot of people more than the calendar says it should!    :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 13, 2008, 09:42:39 PM
D3DB, Rico

As a final thought on the Hope VS Albion game

I did not mean to imply Albion just ran all over Hope, in the 2nd half. Sorry if you feel it reads that way, that is not inteneded in my comments. :)
Albion scored 21 points in the 2nd half, while the last 7 came from a fortunate punt return late in the game.
Hope had the chance in the 1st half to put it away, ball control and field position. Turnovers hurt Hope bad.
Albion started to move the ball late in the first half and was able to keep that momentuem after the half.

I think that most of the upper level MIAA games will run the same as the last 2. Whomever limits the turnovers and gets a big play will win the games. I think the teams are that close, that includes Hope they will win the majority of their remaining games as long as they have not lost faith in themselves.

A lot of questions get answered this weekends schedule of games.

Yes the stands looked a little sparse. Get alot of fence standers especially in the shade by the Concession stand on sunny days. But you are right must of counted the Soccer crowd as well LOL. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on October 16, 2008, 01:39:55 PM
My Picks for the Week.

Alma over K-Zoo.

Olivet will be playing hard this week, look for them to steal one against Trine.

Adrian seems to be really focus on what they want this year, expect them to put up some big numbers agaisnt Albion.

Hope needs a to focus in thier BYE if they are to travel to Adrian and salavage any of thier season.
Big week here fella's.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on October 16, 2008, 02:22:05 PM
Fellow posters (especially formerd3db) -

What are you thoughts on the future of the Hope football program?  Is it time for a change at the top?  Would this ever happen with the current athletic administration?

This year has been a major disappointment.  I'm not as concerned with the 0-6 as that Hope is just not even competitive with the top notch programs.

Thanks
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on October 16, 2008, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: section7 on October 16, 2008, 02:22:05 PM
Fellow posters (especially formerd3db) -

What are you thoughts on the future of the Hope football program?  Is it time for a change at the top?  Would this ever happen with the current athletic administration?

This year has been a major disappointment.  I'm not as concerned with the 0-6 as that Hope is just not even competitive with the top notch programs.

Thanks

Through 2007 Dean has a 75% league record with 6-1sts and 6-2nds... I think he is doing OK!

Maybe Hope should build a fancy new stadium... It didn't hurt the basketball program.

And who in our league has shown they are competitive with the top notch programs? The 5 NCAA wins all belong to the '93 and '94 Albion teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 16, 2008, 06:24:14 PM
dean is doing a good job i think it is a young team at rb  and the defense is young     i think next year will be a good one for hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 16, 2008, 09:35:22 PM
Wow how quick we bury somebody!!!!

Hope has won or been in 2nd place in the league consistently in the recent years.  Undefeated in league a couple years ago.

Yes  Hope is a little disappointing this year, it happens to everyone.
The program is strong and has good numbers, and talent they will be fine next year and beyond.

No one in the league has been real competitive in the playoffs in a dozen years. I hope that it happens soon. I think it may as the quality and commitment to football looks to be growing in the conference.

Big weekend some key games.

Get out and enjoy the  Fall colors and the crowd only 4 - 5 weeks left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 16, 2008, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: D306 on October 16, 2008, 09:35:22 PM
Wow how quick we bury somebody!!!!


Seems to be a popular sport in this state.  (sneers at the goofballs in AA who want to fire a coach after 6 games)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchDad on October 17, 2008, 09:46:30 AM
Quote from: section7 on October 16, 2008, 02:22:05 PM
Fellow posters (especially formerd3db) -

What are you thoughts on the future of the Hope football program?  Is it time for a change at the top?  Would this ever happen with the current athletic administration?

This year has been a major disappointment.  I'm not as concerned with the 0-6 as that Hope is just not even competitive with the top notch programs.

Thanks

I echo the comments supporting Coach Kreps. This is a very young Hope team.  There are only 11 seniors and only 22 returning letterman (most of whom were not regulars last year).  Contrary to what some might think, these young men have not given up on the season or on Coach Kreps or any of the other coaches.  This has been a tough season.  The losses to Trine and Albion were extremely disappointing for everyone involved as was the Eau Claire game that was a lot closer than the score might indicate.  Give them a break.  Things will turn around and we'll all be back singing their praises.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on October 17, 2008, 11:34:27 AM
Wow, everyone is a little touchy.

My post was in question form regarding Hope football.  Not a bash or call for anyone's head.  I referenced formerd3db, because his posts are informative, well-thought out and accurate.

I didn't propose a website of www.firedeannow.com or anything like our friends in Ann Arbor.

I would ask the question, why can our other athletic programs (Basketball, Volleyball, Golf, Baseball, etc.) compete and even win at the top level of d3 athletics, but football (agreed the entire MIAA) continues to struggle.

I would encourage us all the scout the high school playoffs for a few kickers that the coach can recruit and bring to Holland, dare I suggest maybe a soccer castoff, too.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2008, 03:01:58 PM
Adrian 14, Albion 0, after 3 quarters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2008, 03:42:16 PM
Trine 21  Olivet 10  final score
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2008, 08:38:06 PM
Adrian won 28-6.

Anyone hear anything from Alma?  Scoreboard has no results (or links) and last I checked, the Alma site had nothing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 18, 2008, 09:08:56 PM
Congrats to the Bulldogs!!!  Be sure not to look over Hope.  Adrian keeps rolling!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 18, 2008, 10:26:29 PM
Congrats Adrian

Good win at Albion today.

Albion looked very flat today, so many errors dropped balls 2 in endzone,  missed 3 FG and a PAT not sure what the issue was, typically a solid part of game this year for Albion. 3 fumbles for Albion and a interception, Albion had not turned the ball over much prior to this game.

I am sure Adrians aggressive and fast defense had alot to do with it.
Run blizted and stunted all day. Applied great pressure stopping the run game, limiting the time in the pocket on pass plays.

Adrians offense is very diverse great QB play scrambling out of trouble often for big gains. The 2 seam passes for TD's in the first half were key.
I thought the Adrian coach called a great game offensively, keep the defense on edge. Albion played a soft contain zone early and Adrian really picked the holes and moved the ball early in game.
2nd half Albion played solid defense with the adjustments at half time, but chasing the clock and points lead to poor field postion on turnovers and Adrian capitalized for a late scores.

I felt the superior team won today, well executed game by Adrian, had a game plan and executed it. Very aggressive offensively and Defensively.


Albion needs to forget this game take the bye week and regroup for Trine in 2 weeks.  Going to need some help now from the rest of the MIAA if the Brits are going to get back to the top of the standings.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on October 20, 2008, 01:49:48 PM
Adrian looked very good this week. They struggled a little in the second half due to Albion's adjustments but looked like a team that has a very good chance at an MIAA Title this year.

It's Hope Week at Adrian, As with the Greats like Michigan/Ohio St., its an exciting time of the year.
Can Adrian and stay perfect in the MIAA this week? Even a better question, can Trine stay perfect here down the stretch? Only time will tell Ladies and Gentleman, But I have the Bulldogs going all the way this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 10:58:07 PM
All Division III schools are restricted in how they could actually accomplish what you're alleging. They cannot give more aid to student-athletes than to non-student-athletes (not more than 4% over).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on October 21, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 10:58:07 PM
All Division III schools are restricted in how they could actually accomplish what you're alleging. They cannot give more aid to student-athletes than to non-student-athletes (not more than 4% over).

Whatcha talkin about Willis???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
A post that has since been deleted, wisely, alleging top football programs succeed because their schools offer more aid to football players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 21, 2008, 05:00:55 PM
Getting into this debate a bit late, not so much debate but discussion.  Anyone who feels Hope needs to make a change from Kreps is insane.  The man runs a highly competitive and high character program that has been the class of the league for years.  In 13 years as the head coach Kreps has 6 MIAA championships as well as only finishing out of the top two once in 13 years.  What other coach in the MIAA or program even can boast that sort of record? One down year does not mean room for change, Hope has always run a fairly simple system, both on offense and defense but if for some reason they dont have the horses this year, things will be tough.  I personally wouldnt be worried at all about the long term success that Hope will have with Kreps at the helm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on October 22, 2008, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
A post that has since been deleted, wisely, alleging top football programs succeed because their schools offer more aid to football players.

LOL... I figured as much!

We've heard that in the basketball boards as well... Lots of haters out there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 24, 2008, 11:45:43 AM
What no enticing games this weekend for comments?

I will have to go with the favorites.

I hope the Adrian VS Hope game is tight and exciting. Maybe a upset there or  Kazoo VS Trine just to make things interesting in the league standings.

Need some upsets here to make it intersting or is everyone waiting on the Adrian VS Trine game already?


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 24, 2008, 12:31:06 PM
Adrian v. Hope

From what i have heard Hope seems to be running a bit slow this year in terms of team speed, word is their good RB is returning this week though so that may help.  If Hope is suffering for talent on the defensive side of the ball, not sure if they are, but Adrian brings a full stable of speed from all the skill positions.  I would never expect a Hope team to get blown out, this year so far is an anomaly for them as they have never been winless to this point under Kreps, but I do expect Adrian to take the game with Hope providing a good test for them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on October 24, 2008, 12:32:17 PM
my picks:

Alma over Olivet
Trine Over Kzoo, Beware the Upset.
Adrian Over Hope

comments?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dkaiser on October 24, 2008, 02:20:51 PM
 Coach Kreps is a class person and deserves the schools full backing. Hope has played a very difficult pre-season that got them behind the 8-ball early. Yes they are having a down season but I'll bet before the season is over they trip somebody up they weren't suppose to. Rest assured all you Hope faithful....Hope will be back!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dkaiser on October 24, 2008, 02:22:41 PM
Trine will not lose to K-Zoo, they are too good
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on October 25, 2008, 11:25:44 AM
Trine may be the better team, but this is the point in a season where a good team can lose focus and drop a game to an unexpected opponent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2008, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: riverrat6806 on October 24, 2008, 12:32:17 PM
my picks:

Alma over Olivet
Trine Over Kzoo, Beware the Upset.
Adrian Over Hope

comments?
Is the score still 28-21 Kzoo? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 25, 2008, 03:12:17 PM
kzoo  28   trine  21  11.00  minutes left in the game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 25, 2008, 03:24:25 PM
35 -21 Kazoo with 8:52 left
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 25, 2008, 03:53:17 PM
Big couple plays for Trine up 36-35 guts call on going for 2 with min and a half left gives Trine the lead
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Parker45 on October 25, 2008, 03:54:43 PM
Wow!!! Trine takes a made extra point off the score board with a penalty on Kzoo and goes for two and wins by 1 (36-35)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on October 25, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
The Adrian offense rolled over Hope today racking up a 39-3 victory. Keep it up Dawgs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 25, 2008, 09:15:58 PM
I was at the Kalamazoo/Trine game today and I'd like to tip my hat to the Kalamazoo Hornets.  Based on what I saw today they are greatly underrated and are poised to make their presence known in the MIAA in the next year or two.  Oustanding QB and o-line, to be sure.  While our boys in blue certainly weren't playing at their full potential today, Kalamazoo had a great deal to do with our less than stellar performance.  Good luck for the remainder of the season, Hornets! 

To the Thunder Men - enough is enough.  Time to get back on track, wrap up your first MIAA title and get to the playoffs.  Let's keep the Thunder rolling!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 27, 2008, 07:11:13 AM
Trine University breaks into the D3Football.com Top 25 at #25 this week.   ;D

Congratulations to the Thunder.  Keep rolling!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Parker45 on October 27, 2008, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on October 27, 2008, 07:11:13 AM
Trine University breaks into the D3Football.com Top 25 at #25 this week.   ;D

Lets just hope that it is not like the SI cover or Maden cover jinx.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 28, 2008, 09:16:34 AM
Lets not crown Trine champions just yet.  Remember they still have to play Adrian.  Adrian ROLLED over two teams that Trine struggled with...K-Zoo and Hope.  Albion will be no easy task either.  However it shakes out it will be fun to watch.  Go Bulldogs!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 28, 2008, 10:03:39 AM
No one (least of all we Trine fans) believe this season is wrapped up.  Albion and Adrian are two gigantic hurdles standing in our way.  No one said anything about Trine already winning the title.  All I said is that Trine is being recognized as a Top 25 team and I wanted to acknowledge that and congratulate the team.  It's good for Trine and it's good for the MIAA to have a team (or teams) that are recognized nationally since NONE of the MIAA teams get a lot of respect nationally.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 28, 2008, 10:47:20 AM
With the defense I have seen Trine play and the points scored by other teams, I would not count out Albion in the game VS Trine this weekend


Trine is the favorite and should be, but Albions defense is pretty good, the offense has struggled, turnovers killed and lack of execution on 5 trips inside the 30 vs Adrian was hard to stomach. Each week previously Albion's O has improved, I see this being a VERY Close game.

Let It Rain I do not believe you are calling for Trine as the league Champ already, and I am glad to see Trine Nationally Ranked, the MIAA needs a representative, possibly 2 in the Playoffs.


If I had to guess the league Champs when the season is done I would pick Adrian, certainly will have a better feel after this weekends games good luck to all and stay healthy on the field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2008, 01:18:44 PM
I hope that Trine is not letting all the attention get to them mentally. Mike and Mike show, rankings, defeating Franklin, etc... To be honest, I would be concerned that has been a distraction.  They best not lose sight of the first goal...Win the MIAA.  If they stay focused and take each game one at a time they will do fine. 

Adrian should be considerd the MIAA favorite.  They were considered by many to be the favorite from the get-go.  Trine was predicted to finish 4th or 5th. 

I think that if Trine gets back to attacking their opponents and seizing momentum they will do fine.  Albion and Adrian are too good to be approached any other way.  If Trine kicks back and thinks they can simply turn it on or off at will, they will be disappointed in the end. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2008, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 28, 2008, 09:16:34 AM
Lets not crown Trine champions just yet.  Remember they still have to play Adrian.  Adrian ROLLED over two teams that Trine struggled with...K-Zoo and Hope.  Albion will be no easy task either.  However it shakes out it will be fun to watch.  Go Bulldogs!!!

Very true.  Adrian is the top dog (no pun intended) in many peoples eyes. 

Even though those were both road games for Trine, and they were Kzoo's and Hope's Homecomings, Trine coulda-shoulda-woulda done better against them.  The only positive I saw in the Kzoo game was that the boys learned they can come back despite the odds and score.  They learned to never give up on themselves, and that is a huge lesson.  I was also encouraged on how the defense adjusted at half time.  Hopefully it was a wake up call.

I look forward to a great game with Albion!  And not ANY further than that for now.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 28, 2008, 01:37:26 PM
Just to clear things up...by no means did I mean that Adrian has the MIAA all wrapped up!  They have a good Alma team to play this Saturday, that should be first and foremost to them.  Then finishing with Trine and Olivet will be no easy task!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: fc_alum_84 on October 29, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
The MIAA still has some late season drama unlike the HCAC.  FC plays a home game with RHIT (very winnable and would be a mild upset at the least if FC were to lose).  FC wraps up with seemingly hapless (wo)manchester and as some of the folks on the HCAC board have paraphrased "the worst Hanover team to ever take the field"


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on October 30, 2008, 02:34:21 PM
whats everyones thoughts on this weekends play?
a few big games, whose gonna win'em?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAAfan44 on November 01, 2008, 10:13:29 AM
I am going to be at home for the next few weeks, and want to listen to some MIAA games.

Are there any good broadcasters in this league?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 01, 2008, 11:27:41 AM
i think hope will get there 1st  in today over olivet
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on November 01, 2008, 02:23:27 PM
Adrian Up Early On Alma 24-10 at the half.

After a slow start, The Bulldogs seem to be gaining momentum in the Second Quarter.
Lets see what the second half brings.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Parker45 on November 01, 2008, 11:31:08 PM
Trine vs Albion..... 30-7final Trine wins. It was good to see them play a solid game. It has been a few games since the looked sharp.   

Also here is a shameless plug on a web site of mine for game pics

http://hceimages.exposuremanager.com/g/trine_-vs-_albion

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on November 02, 2008, 04:15:45 PM
Championship is decided this week.

Trine holds the better ranking in the North, however they are facing a ranked Adrian team also.

When it comes down to it, Who is the Underdog this week?

Trine does come to Adrian, does this play a factor?

It will be one for the books. Argueably(sp) the best Trine/Tri-State team in a decade, facing a very determined, tough Adrian team who has yet to lose a home game this year and is 11-3, since 2006 at home in their new home.

Close to call, But I Like ADRIAN
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 02, 2008, 05:10:26 PM
Adrian - Trine will definitely be the game to watch in the North Region.  I know this may be no surprise but I am picking Adrian to beat the Thunder!  Adrian is on a roll their defense looked solid against Alma yesterday and their offense is absolutely unstoppable.  McGrady did give Adrian some fits at times however.  The Scots managed to sneak in a late score against Adrian's second string defense.  But all in all I expect a great game between the Thunder and the Bulldogs Saturday.  Besides Capital, Adrian has rolled through most of its competition this season, hopefully that trend continues!  Good luck to all!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2008, 05:19:00 PM
Some Random (IMHO) Thoughts Post-weekend of Nov 1st games:

1) Hope finally breaks the losing streak, thus avoiding the potentially longest losing streak in the history of football at our school.  Vert nice fall weather for a game, especially for Nov 1st, mediocre crowd (although not unexpected given the circumstances of the season to date ;D).  Hope played much better obviously than in past weeks, however, still "not quite there yet".  Missed passes by inches, some poor tackling fundamentals still haunting them, which seems to be the "story" of the season.    While the players (and coaches, of course) were very happy to get the win, they seemed to be just going through the motions at times and no enthusiasm or hustle - walking back to the huddle, walking to and from time-outs - i.e. just "no zip", and some inadvertant comments overheard that many just want to get the season over with .  This is understandable to some degree, although to their credit, they did not give up.  A nice win for them and there were some positive aspects i.e. the kicking game much improved (see Hope's website for recap of the game in these regards).

I will say that, overall, Olivet is not a bad team from what I witnessed and they hit hard, have good size and speed for the most part, yet just didn't play that good and missed some opportunities.  But they are having the kind of year Hope is and seem to be reverting back to "their usual mode of operendi" in past history.  Kind of ironic in a sad sense that the two teams who tied for the MIAA championship last year both have only 1 win so far this year.  Then again, that's just the way it goes sometimes.

2) As some of our colleagues have commented already, Trine has seemed to start putting it more together, at least yesterday when blowing out Albion, the latter being a solid team as evidenced when we (Hope) played them at Albion.  A slight surprise there after Trine having a pair of close wins the past few weeks - yet as I said before, Trine made those games close when they should not have been as Trine was blowing people away in much of the game action.   They just made some mistakes to make it close.

3) In relation to #2 above, as has been mentioned by others as well, Trine-Adrian will make the decision.  It obviously comes down to who wants it the most.  It will be a tough challenge for Trine being that it is at Adrian's home turf.  I could see this one going either way, but have the feeling that the home advantage gives Adrian the edge; also Adrian seems to be on a crescendo i.e. toward a peak.  On the other hand, I would not count Trine out.  This will be a neat game to watch.

4) More re: Adrian.  I am slightly surprised that they are managing well less than 2000 people in attendance for home games, especially since they are in the race and having only 1 loss.  Even at their Homecoming vs. Kazoo, there was only just over 3300 in attendance.  Perhaps this will change with the league title up for grabs this weekend.

5) Alma comes to Hope and while the former was blasted yesterday, it will still be a tough game for Hope even with it being on Hope's home field.  Alma's aerial attack is always an "artillery attack" and given Hope's difficulties in the secondary all season long, it could be a tough afternoon.  Hopefully, (for us Hope fans ;), they will step up to the occasion and at least contain Alma in that regard.  Yet Hope's offense will need to play like they did yesterday as well as the kicking game could be a factor in regards to winning the game. 

6)  I hope the weather will hold out to be nice for the final two weekends of the regular season, but that is always uncertain at this time of year in November.  I guess we've been blessed in that regard this past month - well, actually all season to be sure.

It is good to see some new posters on our board joining in with our veterans and some good discussions.  Thanks for sharing everyone and we'll look forward to more of it for the remainder of the season and the playoffs, of course, with regards to which team ends up representing our MIAA.  It just might be the year that our representative team wins a first round game since Albion's 1994 national championship season.  But...still two more games to go before worrying about that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2008, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on November 02, 2008, 05:10:26 PM
Adrian - Trine will definitely be the game to watch in the North Region.  I know this may be no surprise but I am picking Adrian to beat the Thunder!  Adrian is on a roll their defense looked solid against Alma yesterday and their offense is absolutely unstoppable.  McGrady did give Adrian some fits at times however.  The Scots managed to sneak in a late score against Adrian's second string defense.  But all in all I expect a great game between the Thunder and the Bulldogs Saturday.  Besides Capital, Adrian has rolled through most of its competition this season, hopefully that trend continues!  Good luck to all!

Perhaps a tad provincial, since the North Region also has (6-2, 4-1) Augustana @ North Central (8-0, 5-0) for the CCIW AQ and (8-0, 7-0) Mount Union @ Otterbein (8-0, 7-0) for the OAC AQ! ;)

But, considering this is the MIAA board, we'll let it slide! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 02, 2008, 06:01:06 PM
i"m just a tad biased!!!!    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 02, 2008, 07:10:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 02, 2008, 05:19:00 PM
Some Random (IMHO) Thoughts Post-weekend of Nov 1st games:

1) Hope finally breaks the losing streak, thus avoiding the potentially longest losing streak in the history of football at our school.  Vert nice fall weather for a game, especially for Nov 1st, mediocre crowd (although not unexpected given the circumstances of the season to date ;D).  Hope played much better obviously than in past weeks, however, still "not quite there yet".  Missed passes by inches, some poor tackling fundamentals still haunting them, which seems to be the "story" of the season.    While the players (and coaches, of course) were very happy to get the win, they seemed to be just going through the motions at times and no enthusiasm or hustle - walking back to the huddle, walking to and from time-outs - i.e. just "no zip", and some inadvertant comments overheard that many just want to get the season over with .  This is understandable to some degree, although to their credit, they did not give up.  A nice win for them and there were some positive aspects i.e. the kicking game much improved (see Hope's website for recap of the game in these regards).

I will say that, overall, Olivet is not a bad team from what I witnessed and they hit hard, have good size and speed for the most part, yet just didn't play that good and missed some opportunities.  But they are having the kind of year Hope is and seem to be reverting back to "their usual mode of operendi" in past history.  Kind of ironic in a sad sense that the two teams who tied for the MIAA championship last year both have only 1 win so far this year.  Then again, that's just the way it goes sometimes.

2) As some of our colleagues have commented already, Trine has seemed to start putting it more together, at least yesterday when blowing out Albion, the latter being a solid team as evidenced when we (Hope) played them at Albion.  A slight surprise there after Trine having a pair of close wins the past few weeks - yet as I said before, Trine made those games close when they should not have been as Trine was blowing people away in much of the game action.   They just made some mistakes to make it close.

3) In relation to #2 above, as has been mentioned by others as well, Trine-Adrian will make the decision.  It obviously comes down to who wants it the most.  It will be a tough challenge for Trine being that it is at Adrian's home turf.  I could see this one going either way, but have the feeling that the home advantage gives Adrian the edge; also Adrian seems to be on a crescendo i.e. toward a peak.  On the other hand, I would not count Trine out.  This will be a neat game to watch.

4) More re: Adrian.  I am slightly surprised that they are managing well less than 2000 people in attendance for home games, especially since they are in the race and having only 1 loss.  Even at their Homecoming vs. Kazoo, there was only just over 3300 in attendance.  Perhaps this will change with the league title up for grabs this weekend.

5) Alma comes to Hope and while the former was blasted yesterday, it will still be a tough game for Hope even with it being on Hope's home field.  Alma's aerial attack is always an "artillery attack" and given Hope's difficulties in the secondary all season long, it could be a tough afternoon.  Hopefully, (for us Hope fans ;), they will step up to the occasion and at least contain Alma in that regard.  Yet Hope's offense will need to play like they did yesterday as well as the kicking game could be a factor in regards to winning the game. 

6)  I hope the weather will hold out to be nice for the final two weekends of the regular season, but that is always uncertain at this time of year in November.  I guess we've been blessed in that regard this past month - well, actually all season to be sure.

It is good to see some new posters on our board joining in with our veterans and some good discussions.  Thanks for sharing everyone and we'll look forward to more of it for the remainder of the season and the playoffs, of course, with regards to which team ends up representing our MIAA.  It just might be the year that our representative team wins a first round game since Albion's 1994 national championship season.  But...still two more games to go before worrying about that.

Good analysis of the Hope - Olivet game.  Since Saturday's weather was too good to waste, I drove down to Holland to watch the game ... wondering I would see 0-8 history being made. 

Having seen the Hope -Trine game earlier in the season ... this wasn't my first look at Hope this year.  By the end of the 1st quarter, I could see why the combined record of these two teams was 1-14.  Hope still didn't look all that impressive ... but did show some promising young talent which bodes well for next year.  Olivet didn't show much offensive spark ... played respectable defense marked by several critical letdowns which put Hope in command of the game.  I had the feeling the Comets weren't playing with much, if any, emotion.

D-III football may not have all the "hoorah" of D-I ... but it still is great fun to watch ... and a bargain in the process.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 03, 2008, 08:13:04 AM
Congrats to Trine and Adrian setting up a very big game for the league.
Undefeated Trine vs. 1 loss Adrian. Both teams undefeated in league play.

I will go with Adrian as the defense seems superior to me, both teams can score and run diverse offenses. The Adrian defense is faster and more aggressive, they have held everyone down on points against. Trine has been up and down defensively. Last but not insignificant point: Game is at Adrian.

Well I have to comment on the SAD performance of the Brits VS Trine.
First nice new field and Dorms, really like whats happening on the Campus.

Trine came right out and moved the ball vs. Albion.
Speed was the biggest difference I saw.
Albions defense which has been pretty solid considering they play ~70 plays a game due to lack of consistent offensive attack.  Albion Really felt the loss of 2 Defensive Line regulars, lost another regular to a ACL injury in the first half.
Trines speed seemed to get the corner all to easy. The WR speed also lead to crossing patterns wide open in the middle of soft zone.
Dominate performance all around.
Albion lost their QB who was hurting since the Adrian game and struggled to throw early in game. After another sack they made the switch at QB. I hope he is OK to play the remaining games of the season, and Albion gets a few of the DL guys back.

Should be a wide open game VS Kazoo who throws alot.

Get out and Vote Tuesday.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 03, 2008, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on November 02, 2008, 05:10:26 PM
Adrian - Trine will definitely be the game to watch in the North Region.  I know this may be no surprise but I am picking Adrian to beat the Thunder!  Adrian is on a roll their defense looked solid against Alma yesterday and their offense is absolutely unstoppable.  McGrady did give Adrian some fits at times however.  The Scots managed to sneak in a late score against Adrian's second string defense.  But all in all I expect a great game between the Thunder and the Bulldogs Saturday.  Besides Capital, Adrian has rolled through most of its competition this season, hopefully that trend continues!   Good luck to all!
Other than Capital, Adrian hasn't played anyone w/ a current winning record. Plus Capital is not the same team as they were the past few years.  I'm not saying Trine is going to win this one, but right now Trine looks to be the better team w/ an unblemished record & a victory over a very good Franklin team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WAF78 on November 03, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
Good luck to Trine and Adrian this weekend. Lots of people will be watching this weekend.
Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 03, 2008, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 03, 2008, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on November 02, 2008, 05:10:26 PM
Adrian - Trine will definitely be the game to watch in the North Region.  I know this may be no surprise but I am picking Adrian to beat the Thunder!  Adrian is on a roll their defense looked solid against Alma yesterday and their offense is absolutely unstoppable.  McGrady did give Adrian some fits at times however.  The Scots managed to sneak in a late score against Adrian's second string defense.  But all in all I expect a great game between the Thunder and the Bulldogs Saturday.  Besides Capital, Adrian has rolled through most of its competition this season, hopefully that trend continues!   Good luck to all!
Other than Capital, Adrian hasn't played anyone w/ a current winning record. Plus Capital is not the same team as they were the past few years.  I'm not saying Trine is going to win this one, but right now Trine looks to be the better team w/ an unblemished record & a victory over a very good Franklin team.


I don't see how you come to that conclusion...Adrian has completely outplayed every team that it has come across...with the exception of Capital...Trine has not, i.e. K-Zoo, Hope.  And the way the AC offense is running the football I would have to say that Adrian wins this game.  And with the exception of Franklin, Trine hasn't played much of a schedule either.

And last...yeah I'm almost done...Trine struggles on the road.  And believe me the Adrian crowd will be LOUD!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2008, 03:05:11 PM
ACRULZ:
Earlier season performances overall don't really matter at this point, except for this just past weekend, which is where both teams have positioned themselves as far as readiness, peaking, etc.  Both are good teams are primed for the game.  As I posted previously, indeed, Adrian may have an extra advantage since it will have the home crowd.  However, just remember, anything is possible and people can lose the big game at home.  Overconfidence is "the real enemy" ;D ;)

D306:

I agree with you regarding Trine regarding their strengths.  Despite their almost losing to Hope, in reality they really outplayed Hope - actually smashed them for most of the game and the two aspects which impressed me the most, as you have pointed out, was their speed and ability to get the corner so fast on the run.  Besides, their QB and passing game was impressive - timing, coordination, well run routes.  Anyway, I think the Trine/Adrian game will be an excellent and close one; unless someone just downright faulters and an unexpected blow-out occurs.  Less likely, howevr, IMO, however,...I've been wrong before ;D ;) :D

DBQ1965:
Thanks.  I also agree with your own analysis.  Glad you were able to make the game and take in a very nice classic day for small college football.



   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAAfan44 on November 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM
I listened to the Alma broadcast last week and they seemed to be okay. I didn't have a lot of time.

Who should I tune in this week for the big game? Trine or Adrian? Do they both have radio broadcasts online?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 03, 2008, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: MIAAfan44 on November 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM
I listened to the Alma broadcast last week and they seemed to be okay. I didn't have a lot of time.

Who should I tune in this week for the big game? Trine or Adrian? Do they both have radio broadcasts online?
http://88xradio.com/sports.php
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 03, 2008, 03:37:00 PM
D3DB:

I understand what you are saying but, K-Zoo and Hope both had chances to win those games.  Adrian has looked dominant in every MIAA game they have played, thats my point.  Yes Trine may have made mistakes to keep those teams in the game, but hey, that is part of the game, take advantage of your opponents miscues.  Like I said before I don't think it will be a blow-out, it will be a close game, but I think Adrian is just too tough at home right now, especially with their offense on track.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 03, 2008, 04:15:08 PM
I say we up the ante on Saturday's showdown - if Trine wins the Michigan IAA has to officially rename itself the Michigan-Indiana IAA. 8)

[Afterall, the CCI eventually became the CCIW. ;)]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on November 03, 2008, 04:36:52 PM
I don't think that overconfidence will be a problem in the Adrian camp this week.
This team knows what they want, and will do all they can to win it all.
In past years Adrian has been a choke team. I just dont see this happening this weekend.
Look for a BIG win over Trine.
Adrian does not have a problem running up the score this year it seems.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on November 03, 2008, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: MIAAfan44 on November 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM
I listened to the Alma broadcast last week and they seemed to be okay. I didn't have a lot of time.

Who should I tune in this week for the big game? Trine or Adrian? Do they both have radio broadcasts online?

Quote from: dc_has_been on November 03, 2008, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: MIAAfan44 on November 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM
I listened to the Alma broadcast last week and they seemed to be okay. I didn't have a lot of time.

Who should I tune in this week for the big game? Trine or Adrian? Do they both have radio broadcasts online?
http://88xradio.com/sports.php

I also recommend Trine's broadcast ... Aaron Coyle does an excellent job ... As a matter of fact, I always listen to the archive of our games, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, etc., against Trine ... Aaron always mentions something about one or more Olivet athletes that I had never been told.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2008, 06:43:55 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 03, 2008, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: MIAAfan44 on November 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM
I listened to the Alma broadcast last week and they seemed to be okay. I didn't have a lot of time.

Who should I tune in this week for the big game? Trine or Adrian? Do they both have radio broadcasts online?

Quote from: dc_has_been on November 03, 2008, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: MIAAfan44 on November 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM
I listened to the Alma broadcast last week and they seemed to be okay. I didn't have a lot of time.

Who should I tune in this week for the big game? Trine or Adrian? Do they both have radio broadcasts online?
http://88xradio.com/sports.php

I also recommend Trine's broadcast ... Aaron Coyle does an excellent job ... As a matter of fact, I always listen to the archive of our games, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, etc., against Trine ... Aaron always mentions something about one or more Olivet athletes that I had never been told.

I will second OC_SID's comments.  Aaron Coyle and Tyler Benner do an awesome job.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2008, 09:13:37 PM
I would have to agree that in the past, Adrian has been the "big choke" team to use your own phrase.  For sure, I think we all agree that it will be a close game.  However, I will believe [er] in Adrian it if/when I see it - i.e. an Adrian win.  Then, of course, we can say the same about Trine - they have to proove to the rest of us they are "the real deal". ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2008, 09:22:36 PM
I would also just say that, with a quick glance at the scores, really the teams are comparable as to their results.  Adrian wins agains some pretty poor teams, Defiance, Bluffton, Lake Erie, blows out Kazoo.  The Alma and Albion games are about the same for both teams; Trine has very close games against Kazoo and Hope, Adrian loses to Capital.  So overall, at least at a general glance, the stage is set and both have reached a good point of preparation.  Any team can have a bad day or two, but the bottom line is finding a way to win.  Trine did that in their close games.  I am not saying Adrian couldn't put this one away easily because that could very well happen; and...I have not seen Adrian play (I missed the Hope game which obviously was a blowout), but have seen Trine and Hope play.  Rather I'm just saying that I think both Trine and Adrian are where they want to be as far as preparation for the game.

Also, if there is not a huge crowd for this one at Adrian, then something is amiss down there are your school/community.  Let's hope there is a huge crowd and nice weather for a great MIAA championship game, like has happened several times in history over recent decades for "the really big ones". ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 04, 2008, 12:32:32 PM
formerd3db:

Huge crowds have been lacking at Adrian for several years, with the exception of Homecoming and the season openers.  I have been to several games this year and the crowds I have seen at the on campus stadium are lacking compared to what we used to draw to the old Maple Stadium.  The biggest lack of involvement seems to be from the students at the college themselves, with the exception of HC and the opener the student section is a virtual waste land, sparsely populated.  THe stands seem to be fairly full but the student body at Adrian appears to be apathetic.  I wish the best for the Bulldogs this Saturday and actually I think work will afford me the opportunity to be at the game and get paid to see it, but the team and coaches deserve fuller stands, and a more rowdy crowd to show the support for what is a fine program.  Championship implications dont seem to be that big for attendance either, hopping in the way back machine to Nov. 15th 2003, we (Adrian) at 8-1 were playing Kzoo @ home, a win and we would split the MIAA title (Hope would lose that day) and more than likely would have gotten an at large for the playoffs.  Needless to say we did not go on to win, and we played in front of about 900 fans as opposed to the several thousand we were used to earlier in the season and the 6000 or so that were at HC that year.

All that being said I see an Adrian win this week.  The team is fast and physical well coached on all sides and is playing like they have the desire.  This seems to be the year that everything falls in the right place, a strong D to go with a strong O.  I see it being a tight game, but I see this being an experience for Tri State ( I cant call it Trine, thats like call IAA the FCS) in getting over the hump.  Adrian has been there several times in the past and this Bulldog thinks this will be their year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2008, 07:39:22 PM
DAWG:

Good to hear from you and thanks for your insight as a former player and coach there as to the attendance issue at Adrian.  That is too bad as from a historical standpoint, Albion and Hope have always pretty much been the leaders among their MIAA colleagues in having the most solid support from not just the students, but moreover the community with regards to attendance numbers even in "down or lean" years (including not just at the "specialty days" i.e.  HC or Community or Parent Day, etc.).

Let's hope that this Saturday might be an exception to the "usual" at Adrian and thus a huge crowd  show up.  That just might happen with Trine being at such an improved level, with more "awareness" and respect in the league having been built of recent.  It would be neat to see a 5000-6000 crown there.  I recall playing in front huge crowds similar to that for the really "big" games (I remember when my brother played at Alma, they played at Ferris in front of about 11,000 people one year - awesome!) and also recall the MIAA championship game of Albion at Alma back in the mid-1990's when over 8,000 people showed up.  As I recall, that was the highest ever for attendance at an MIAA game, although I personally believe there were way more than that actually present.  Although schools do a good job and try the best they can at keeping attendance records, I believe that there are times when additional people have attended games and not been counted for whatever (variety of inadvertant) reasons.

Anyway, I do hope it will be a great game Saturday.  It would be one to see, however, I will be at the Alma @ Hope game of course! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2008, 07:43:16 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Intriguing point re: the league name-change :o.  Yet, if they didn't do it when these other schools joined in the recent past (Defiance, St. Mary's, Wisc Lutheran), I can't imagine that would ever go through let alone be considered.  I realize you were saying this mostly in jest, but on the other hand, it is not a "weird" potential thought at all - actually a reasonable suggestion.  However, the MIAA from the historical standpoint would not go for this I would dare say (Just MHO, but then, what do I know ??? ;D ::)!!!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAAfan44 on November 05, 2008, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 03, 2008, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: MIAAfan44 on November 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM
I listened to the Alma broadcast last week and they seemed to be okay. I didn't have a lot of time.

Who should I tune in this week for the big game? Trine or Adrian? Do they both have radio broadcasts online?

Quote from: dc_has_been on November 03, 2008, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: MIAAfan44 on November 03, 2008, 03:33:41 PM
I listened to the Alma broadcast last week and they seemed to be okay. I didn't have a lot of time.

Who should I tune in this week for the big game? Trine or Adrian? Do they both have radio broadcasts online?
http://88xradio.com/sports.php

I also recommend Trine's broadcast ... Aaron Coyle does an excellent job ... As a matter of fact, I always listen to the archive of our games, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, etc., against Trine ... Aaron always mentions something about one or more Olivet athletes that I had never been told.

Thank you! I'll tune them in.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 05, 2008, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 04, 2008, 12:32:32 PM
formerd3db:

Huge crowds have been lacking at Adrian for several years, with the exception of Homecoming and the season openers.  I have been to several games this year and the crowds I have seen at the on campus stadium are lacking compared to what we used to draw to the old Maple Stadium.  The biggest lack of involvement seems to be from the students at the college themselves, with the exception of HC and the opener the student section is a virtual waste land, sparsely populated.  THe stands seem to be fairly full but the student body at Adrian appears to be apathetic.  I wish the best for the Bulldogs this Saturday and actually I think work will afford me the opportunity to be at the game and get paid to see it, but the team and coaches deserve fuller stands, and a more rowdy crowd to show the support for what is a fine program.  Championship implications dont seem to be that big for attendance either, hopping in the way back machine to Nov. 15th 2003, we (Adrian) at 8-1 were playing Kzoo @ home, a win and we would split the MIAA title (Hope would lose that day) and more than likely would have gotten an at large for the playoffs.  Needless to say we did not go on to win, and we played in front of about 900 fans as opposed to the several thousand we were used to earlier in the season and the 6000 or so that were at HC that year.

All that being said I see an Adrian win this week.  The team is fast and physical well coached on all sides and is playing like they have the desire.  This seems to be the year that everything falls in the right place, a strong D to go with a strong O.  I see it being a tight game, but I see this being an experience for Tri State ( I cant call it Trine, thats like call IAA the FCS) in getting over the hump.  Adrian has been there several times in the past and this Bulldog thinks this will be their year!

Shame I used to love to play at the old Maple Stadium and have to deal with the students in the late 90's.  of course Defiance was typically week 1 or 2, but it was great getting off the bus and there were already a hundred or so drunken Adrian students on couches harasing us as we came of the bus.  To be even more impressed is they did their homework and could call out players by name and try to get into their kitchen at 10am.

D3DB thanks for the call out on your list :) didnt you hear Defiance now has a winning streak! while we are still "poor" thank goodness we are no longer homeless poor!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2008, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 05, 2008, 12:59:29 PM

Shame I used to love to play at the old Maple Stadium and have to deal with the students in the late 90's.  of course Defiance was typically week 1 or 2, but it was great getting off the bus and there were already a hundred or so drunken Adrian students on couches harasing us as we came of the bus.  To be even more impressed is they did their homework and could call out players by name and try to get into their kitchen at 10am.

D3DB thanks for the call out on your list :) didnt you hear Defiance now has a winning streak! while we are still "poor" thank goodness we are no longer homeless poor!!
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70_dc_alum:

You are welcome! ;)  In all seriousness, though, while I realize there were "issues" to some when Defiance was in our MIAA, I, for one, appreciated them being in and overall, it did benefit all the teams including Defiance and served a purpose (i.e. the NCAA automatic bid, which the MIAA would not have had were it not for Defiance coming in those years).  On the other hand, I truly feel that the HCAC is the better fit for Defiance if not just from a historical and geographical standpoint.

On the other topic, glad to see Defiance has a win streak going now!  We'll see if that holds true for us (i.e. Hope) this weekend, although I dare say it will be a tough task with Alma coming into our "house".  I'll see some of my former colleagues (but still friends) from there this weekend!

Good luck to all the teams this weekend, and, as always, safe driving to all of you who will travel to attend the games.  Let's hope we are lucky and have at least one more great weather Saturday for this season.  That would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 06, 2008, 06:36:17 PM
D3DB:

I remember that Albion @ Alma game back in 1994.  Albion won, and then went on to win the national championship.  We were told there were 8,000 on hand for the game, but it was hard to tell.  All seats at Bahlke Stadium were full, and hundreds of people were standing along the fence.  Alma hasn't seen a crowd close to that since.  A couple of games have gone over 4,000.  Attendance this year has not been high, aside from a nice crowd for Homecoming.  They have organized a student section, but results are mixed. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2008, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on November 06, 2008, 06:36:17 PM
D3DB:

I remember that Albion @ Alma game back in 1994.  Albion won, and then went on to win the national championship.  We were told there were 8,000 on hand for the game, but it was hard to tell.  All seats at Bahlke Stadium were full, and hundreds of people were standing along the fence.  Alma hasn't seen a crowd close to that since.  A couple of games have gone over 4,000.  Attendance this year has not been high, aside from a nice crowd for Homecoming.  They have organized a student section, but results are mixed. 

miaafbfan:

Good to see you back on the board and thanks for sharing your comments.  Indeed, that was a fantastic game, wasn't it?!!! (Even though Alma lost  ;D).  For sure as you say, the crowd was standing room only all over the place.  I truly believe the attendance was well more than 8,000.  Regardless, as I recall, the MIAA has considered it the largest crowd ever to witness an MIAA[/i] game.

It is neat to see games with over 4,000, and especially when organized student sections are present for the various schools.  Heck, I remember even at Kazoo about 3 years ago (perhaps it was 4 - I'd have to check) they actually had over 4,000 in attendance for their Homecoming fb game against Hope - that was fantastic for Kazoo.

Anyway, as I mentioned, it will be interesting to see what the crowd is for Adrian/Trine championship.  Also, the Hope/Alma game this weekend is always a, shall we say, spirited contest! ;D.  I'll be able to see some of my "old buddies" from there (coaching and training staffs).  Tomorrow's forecast is rain, but I'm not sure about Saturday - I hope it is going to be clear.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2008, 10:16:03 PM
BTW friends.  It would be nice to see our board get to at least 200 pages by the end of this fb season.  Let's see if we can do it with two weeks left and at least one week for the NCAA playoffs with whoever represents our league in the first round.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on November 07, 2008, 01:19:17 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2008, 10:16:03 PM
BTW friends.  It would be nice to see our board get to at least 200 pages by the end of this fb season.  Let's see if we can do it with two weeks left and at least one week for the NCAA playoffs with whoever represents our league in the first round.

That's a pretty tall order, d3db!  Hopefully Saturday's games generate a lot of talk.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 07, 2008, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2008, 10:16:03 PM
BTW friends.  It would be nice to see our board get to at least 200 pages by the end of this fb season.  Let's see if we can do it with two weeks left and at least one week for the NCAA playoffs with whoever represents our league in the first round.

I am an IIAC follower living in west Michigan and I usually check out what MIAA folk are saying on here.  So ... I will do what I can to help you get to 200 pages.

And because I tend to pull for the underdog ... and Trine has been one for so long ... I hope they win tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 07, 2008, 09:52:28 AM
Agree the MIAA was not the right fit for DC, actually from a travel perspective it was about the same or a little better becuase with the HCAC you still have places like MSJ in Cincy (3hr drive) and Hanover which is another 1-1.5 hrs past Cincy.  only advanatge is Bluffton which is about 20 minutes and a rivalry.  From a school perspective the HCAC is a better fit.  Defiance recruits Michigan heavily and got a lot more from there than indiana so being in the MIAA helped with that, but a lot of that was becuase the ties our coaches have to Michigan. I liked the MIAA, but also played it the 2 years we were inn and the 2 years before when we were trying to get in so we pretty much played the schedule...I still follow MIAA and with pride have my 1st team MIAA plaque in my office to remember the good old days prior to being buried in a PC 10 hrs a day!!

thanks for the note and good luck this weekend.  i am pulling for at least 1 Michigan team with the Lions.  as long as they keep thier current streak i dont have to worry about the Bengals screwing up another #1 pick!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2008, 01:56:07 PM
Hope has closed their campus until Tuesday morning due to a Norovirus outbreak - including cancelling all on-campus athletic activities. 

http://www.hope.edu/hopetoday/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 07, 2008, 02:40:42 PM
So football game or no?

Holland Municipal Stadium isn't considered on campus.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 07, 2008, 02:55:37 PM
Inregards to the talk of DC in the MIAA, it was nice b/c my family lives in Michigan & it made it very easy for them to go to the games.  But as mentioned before, the HCAC is a much better fit for DC, but I still hope they continue their rivalry w/ Adrain.  Hopefully DC improves & makes it more competative.
All the best to Trine & Adrian, I will be listening to that one for sure.
Also, go Detroit Lions, strive for the #1 draft pick & find a way to sckrew that up! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 07, 2008, 03:04:50 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 07, 2008, 02:55:37 PM
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Also, go Detroit Lions, strive for the #1 draft pick & find a way to sckrew that up! ;)

Oh they're serious about winning now, did you hear they signed Dante Culpepper.  ::)





Alma at Hope is cancelled I guess, no word yet on a reschedule, if at all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2008, 03:07:53 PM
Ilove the headline I saw in one paper about Culpepper, saying something like "The Lions are a perfect fit for me".  Like your a loser just like they are?    ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2008, 03:09:07 PM
Just found this on the Hope website

WEEKEND ACTION

All weekend activities home and away have been cancelled. No decision has been made regarding the rescheduling of these events. (see announcement above)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 07, 2008, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2008, 03:07:53 PM
Ilove the headline I saw in one paper about Culpepper, saying something like "The Lions are a perfect fit for me".  Like your a loser just like they are?    ;D

or........they're willing to pay me lots of money when no one else would and good performance is not a requirement, and they have no other qb's of any consequence who can beat out a washed up formerly retired, overweight minimally successfull former NFL QB.  The sad part is, this really is an improvement for them.


The best part about being away for two weeks is I didn't have to see the Lions, not even highlites.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2008, 03:15:44 PM
Quote from: sac (semi tanned, stuffed with shrimp,  treadmill on order) on November 07, 2008, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2008, 03:07:53 PM
Ilove the headline I saw in one paper about Culpepper, saying something like "The Lions are a perfect fit for me".  Like your a loser just like they are?    ;D

or........they're willing to pay me lots of money when no one else would and good performance is not a requirement, and they have no other qb's of any consequence who can beat out a washed up formerly retired, overweight minimally successfull former NFL QB.  The sad part is, this really is an improvement for them.


The best part about being away for two weeks is I didn't have to see the Lions, not even highlites.


The Lions have highlights??  Who knew.

Since their string of sell-outs at Ford Field has finally been broken, NONE of us have to see the Lions anymore!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2008, 03:20:40 PM
Actually the Lions have lowlights - and lots of them. 

MR Y, you may enjoy the beauty of the Lions being blacked out, but those of us on this side of the state will still be stuck with them.  It's been so bad I nearly switched to watching Figure Skating a couple weeks back.    :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2008, 07:11:10 PM
70_dc_alum and dc_has_been:
Thanks for your postings.  I also hope that the MIAA schools continue to play Defiance from time to time for non-conference games.  I do like Defiance's football stadium and field - very neat and the campus has kept some old character along with its new buildings and development.  Talk to you guys again soon.

DBQ1965:
Thanks for your contributions and help! :)  Always good to have some "outside" input and especially from another DIII fb fanatic like me/us!

sac, Flying Dutch Fan (and other Hopite's):
It is my understanding from a reliable source (my daughter, a Hope student) that indeed all athletic contests have been cancelled.  While it is true that Holland Stadium is not "technically" on-campus, nonetheless, because Hope students would obviously be involved in all aspects of the game as players, fans, etc., etc., this activity by state law/mandates regarding health and safety issues has to be cancelled.  I also understand that Hope's hockey team's away trip/game up at Midland vs. Northwood University has been cancelled i.e. the college is not permittig the team to travel.

I hope all the affected students recover quickly and wish them well; also hope that no others become ill.  This is a short lived, but nasty virus syndrome.  It is unfortunate that this occured and cancellation of Parent's Day Weekend events, the traditional ones, special ones and, of course, the athletic events, but safety comes first obviously (I was looking forward to a the planned Father/Daughter lunch gathering with my daughter at her sorority before the game tomorrow).  No word on if/when the Hope/Alma football game will be rescheduled - I am wondering if it will be able to be rescheduled at all (since neither Hope nor Alma will be in any post-season play, perhaps they might consider playing it on Nov 22nd; but I have no idea what the philosophy of "the powers that be" might be regarding this.  I wouldn't be surprised if they just decided to not play the game and add an *asterisk next to the slot on the college's schedules in the record books. ??? ::) :-\

For further info, as has been posted by FDF, go to the hope college website for the official announcement and further details regarding outbreak and notovirus itself.

Obviously, if any of us hear anything different regarding the football game, we'll try to let everyone know on the board.  A disappointment for this weekend, but..."that's the way it goes in life sometimes".



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2008, 07:44:35 PM
Adrian is favored by most, at home, and at the start of the season ranked higher by the MIAA coaches and most posters here.  Adrian did better against Hope and Kzoo.  Adrian has every reason to feel confident.

BUT, I like Trines chances for a number of reasons...

Offense...Trine has more weapons.  Talent is spread out among a number of players.  Different players have stepped up each game.  Well balanced.  They can pass and run.

Special Teams...Great kicking...Field Goal kicker and Punter are excellent, as well as coverage

Coaching...Coach Land and assistants have turned the program around.  Land has won wherever he has coached...High School, College, and Arena.  He knows how to get his team motivated.  They are excellent at making half-time adjustments.  Their 3rd and 4th down conversion ratios speak volumes about the play calling they make.

Defense...If you look strictly at the numbers, Adrian's look better.  But their schedule was not as tough.  Trine has an All-American at LB, and a veteran defense.  Both teams have great run defenses, but Adrian did not fair well against Capitals run defense (ranked worse than Trines).

Intangibles...

Trine has had the 11th hardest schedule in D3, according to this web site.  Adrian's was 39th. 

Trine was 3-0 in their non-conference games against teams that were 13-11.  Adrian was 2-1 against teams that were 8-16.  Adrian lost their only game against a team with a winning record.  Trine won a big game against #22 Franklin. 

The Hope score was close. Hope's passing attack was tough, and I believe Hope's reputation against Trine was a factor.  Trine had never beaten Hope. They played Hope on the road at Hope's homecoming, and got the "unable to beat Hope" monkey off their back.  Although Trine has tons of respect for Adrian, they will not have fear against Adrian, having beaten Adrian last year.

This was not a shining moment, but Trine's game against Kzoo at Kzoo's homecoming also showed character.  It may have been the best thing that could have happened to Trine. When down by 14, less than 8 minutes left, the Kzoo fans screaming, and the pressure intense, Trine did not quit and pulled out the win.  It was a slap back in to reality, from the press and attention they had been getting.  Got their heads on straight again.  They bounced back nicely against Albion even though Albion had two weeks to prep for Trine. 

The pressure is on Adrian.  It is at their house, and they must win in order to live up to the expectations many have placed upon them.  Trine has already surpassed most everyones expectations, and a victory at Adrian will further validate the improvements that Trine has made.

Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 07, 2008, 10:06:22 PM
Forcast for Adrian

Saturday: A chance of rain showers before noon, then a chance of rain showers and sleet. Cloudy, with a high near 43. Southwest wind between 9 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 23 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%.


keep it on the ground.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2008, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2008, 07:44:35 PM
Trine has had the 11th hardest schedule in D3, according to this web site.  Adrian's was 39th. 

Trine has the 165th hardest schedule in D-III, according to this Web site. Adrian's was 217th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 07, 2008, 10:50:22 PM
Crazy stuff in Hope!!  Wow!  Get better!

This just in:  Don't compare schedules, games, stats....when the title is on the line everything changes.  Believe me!  Should be a good game down at Adrian Saturday!  Five plays decide this game....

Adrian 24
Tri-State 7

Adrian advances to play Mount Union....ouch....congrats on the title....here...see how good you are....

Best of luck!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2008, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: HOF on November 07, 2008, 10:50:22 PM
Crazy stuff in Hope!!  Wow!  Get better!

This just in:  Don't compare schedules, games, stats....when the title is on the line everything changes.  Believe me!  Should be a good game down at Adrian Saturday!  Five plays decide this game....

Adrian 24
Tri-State 7

Adrian advances to play Mount Union....ouch....congrats on the title....here...see how good you are....

Best of luck!

I don't see the MIAA rep having to go to Alliance, but going to North Central, Wabash, or CRWU may be only marginally better. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 07, 2008, 11:12:57 PM
Why not?  Hope went to Alliance in 2006.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 07, 2008, 11:36:32 PM
Im calling for the Adrian win this weekend, offense with tons of weapons and talent and a defense that constantly has different people stepping up, it may be the fastest Trine sees this year, barring them making the playoffs, even then it may be up there.

Adrian 28
Trine   10
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2008, 11:46:18 PM
Quote from: sac on November 07, 2008, 11:12:57 PM
Why not?  Hope went to Alliance in 2006.

I just don't see the MIAA rep being an 8th seed.  Trine might be as high as 5th (or even 4th, and host), Adrian would likely be 6th or 7th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2008, 05:37:13 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2008, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2008, 07:44:35 PM
Trine has had the 11th hardest schedule in D3, according to this web site.  Adrian's was 39th. 

Trine has the 165th hardest schedule in D-III, according to this Web site. Adrian's was 217th.

I must have mis-understood this link...

http://www.d3football.com/strength-of-schedule/2008

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAAfan44 on November 08, 2008, 07:58:54 AM
Good luck to Adrian and Trine today. After going over all the stats and players, I have to say:

Adrian 23
Trine 21

:o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on November 08, 2008, 09:15:16 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2008, 05:37:13 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2008, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2008, 07:44:35 PM
Trine has had the 11th hardest schedule in D3, according to this web site.  Adrian's was 39th. 

Trine has the 165th hardest schedule in D-III, according to this Web site. Adrian's was 217th.

I must have mis-understood this link...

http://www.d3football.com/strength-of-schedule/2008



Uncle Rico, the table is sorted by winning percentage ... The team's strength of schedule rank is beside the name of the school.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 08, 2008, 09:15:25 AM
maybe if trine wins today and wins out maybe they could host a 1st round game number 5 in the region
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Parker45 on November 08, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
Trine up 2-0... after 1st and goal and comming up with nothing they get the safety 6:05 second quatrer
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Parker45 on November 08, 2008, 02:13:33 PM
Trine up 2-0 @Halftime  :o and no that is not a soccer score 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 08, 2008, 03:14:45 PM
Sounds like a barn burner!!!  :o ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 08, 2008, 03:17:45 PM
Trine up 9-0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 08, 2008, 03:20:22 PM
K fumbled in the red zone.
Albion had to punt on their possession.
K returned the punt 60 yards to the 2
6:00 to go K up 13-10 on a field goal...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 08, 2008, 03:25:04 PM
Albion 52 yd TD pass!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 08, 2008, 03:30:47 PM
Turnovers and no O in the red zone killed K.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 08, 2008, 03:38:31 PM
Trine wins and moves on! Congrats!!!

Represent the MIAA well in the NCAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 08, 2008, 04:10:16 PM
Congratulations to Trine on the win today!  Going on the road and shutting out a good, physical team like Adrian is great experience that will help in the playoffs.  The Thunder will represent the MIAA well.  If Trine goes 10-0, they may get a better seeding in the playoffs and break the MIAA losing streak.  Good luck!

Great last-second play by Albion today to lift them over Kalamazoo at home and give the Britons some momentum for next week's "Battle of Britain" with the Scots at Alma.

No word on when (if?) Alma @ Hope will be rescheduled.  Best wished for a quick recovery for any affected Hope students.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 08, 2008, 04:20:39 PM
Congrats to Trine for winning the MIAA.  Don't overlook next week. 
If Trine wins next week & w/ a loss coming from Otterbein & one of the other top three likely to be shipped out Trine will probably host a first round game.  Possibly vs. CWRU or a rematch vs. Franklin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2008, 04:30:25 PM
Congratulations to Trine players, coaches and all you fans on clinching the MIAA championship.  Very exciting for you all.  Looking back on "the journey" it has been quite a 4-5 year or more ride, since the undefeated season in the scholarship NAIA days.  While I did not pick a score or actually a winner, I did post that I thought it would be a close game and it appears it turned out that way.  I had a feeling that it would be and that Trine had a very good chance at winning despite it being at Adrian's own turf.  To you Adrian fans/former players here, I'm sorry it didn't turn out for your team - that is always disappointing.  But I guess it is just that as some of you had said since Adrian seems to have difficulty in winning the big one's in recent years and "finishing the task". 

Anyway, nothing against Trine's final opponent, however, I do hope they win out and thus perhaps get a better seed as miaafan mentioned.  It would be nice to see them go beyond the first round and break the "tough luck" that the MIAA has had in the playoffs in recent years.

As to Albion, they pull one out again.  I'm sure that is disappointing for the Kazoo fans, yet, if you look at it overall, Kazoo has made some big strides this season under new coach Zerbo.  A new attitude tramsmitting into improvd effort evidenced by the fact that they came close to winning some key games in recent weeks.  While they did not quite achive that, it suggests, at least for now, good things to come next year in which they just might "go over the edge" and win those types of games.  Such results, however, do take time.

We'll wait and see re: Alma vs. Hope rescheduling.  Again, I will "go out on a limb" and say that I will be very surprised if they actually reschedule the game.  Other than giving the seniors one "last hurrah", there really is no "absolute compelling reason" the game has to be played given the current situation and standings.  Look for the asterisk, although I/we could end up being surprised. ;D :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 08, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
Has Trine finally earned the respect they deserve from the rest of the MIAA?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2008, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 08, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
Has Trine finally earned the respect they deserve from the rest of the MIAA?

Diezel1:

With all due respect, why not/why wouldn't they have earned it? ???  Any team who wins the MIAA title should have the respect of its fellow schools/players, as long as they competed with/treated its opponents with the same.  As far as I know of, Trine's players and its staff and fans have done just that and conducted themselves accordingly throughout the season.  No taunting of players (unlike reports that have been coming out of Westerville, OH today regarding Otterbein, which really surprises me).  Do you know something I and/or the others don't? ???  ::) in that regard.   

Anyway, as has been said here by others, let's wish Trine the best in representing our league (but, of course, they can't overlook their final game - one more next week).  Anyway, all of the above is Just MHO ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 08, 2008, 07:30:31 PM
It just seems that it took Trine to win the MIAA for them to get respect. In the preseason poll they were voted 5th out of the seven teams.  It just appeared that the MIAA still looked at Trine as the sub-team they were a few years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 08, 2008, 07:37:30 PM
Congrats to Trine


Huge win, great defense to shut down Adrian at home
Both teams played great on defense to shut each other down in a 9-0 game.

Finish strong Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 08, 2008, 07:46:28 PM
I'll put my plug in for Hope v Alma being rescheduled.........they've played each other every year since 1946,..... 1927 if you take out the war years of 43, 44 and 45.  Postponement due to war is one thing...........you can't let a little virus get equal treatment with a war.  Though, I suppose if your one of the unfortunates with the virus, it probably feels like a war.

--------------------------------------------------
Congrats to Trine, a win next week gives them the first perfect season in the MIAA since Albion in 1996 (9-0)

Trine now has as many MIAA Championships as Eastern Michigan, and are just one behind Michigan State.   They've also done something Calvin has never done. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2008, 07:53:00 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 08, 2008, 07:30:31 PM
It just seems that it took Trine to win the MIAA for them to get respect. In the preseason poll they were voted 5th out of the seven teams.  It just appeared that the MIAA still looked at Trine as the sub-team they were a few years ago.

Well, that is the way it always is with any team.  Historically, when a team is down for many years, for example the way Olivet was for a long time, then obviously a team is not going to get respect naturally until they start winning (or at least becoming competitive) and doing it in the right way.  You have to remember that Trine has not been in the league that long and had to rebuild from the bottom once they came into the league.  I dare say that when Trine had that undefeated year (10-0 as I recall) in the mid-'90's when they would have been very competitive with most of the MIAA teams (although Albion was in its prime with those consecutive championship titles) even though they were in the NAIA, which some people thought was somewhat "renegade programs" at some of those schools and not on par with the upper tier of DIII teams.  I don't recall off hand - perhaps our Trine friends here Uncle Rico, LetItRain, etc., can inform us of the details of this more - I'm not sure if Trine was NAIA scholarship (I thought they were although I could be mistaken) and if so, even though those were "paritial scholarships" in the sense as compared to higher level full rides, nonetheless, they attracted some very good players who were very good (perhaps some, although not all, could have played at higher levels) players who might otherwise have gone to DIII schools.  

Anyway, I see your point about getting the respect.  All I'm saying is that the process is a "natural" and usually the same for all teams.  Those winning teams that don't get respect are those that are arrogant, taunting and disrespectful to their opponents.  Unfortunately, we've had a few of those types in the MIAA on occasion, although I don't think now (at least not so much ;D).

Hey, good to have you on the board Diezel1.  Keep posting and help us/your board get to that 200th page before the end of this season! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2008, 07:54:22 PM
sac:
Yeah, that makes sense.  Obviously, the only viabel date will be Nov 22nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2008, 09:21:34 PM
Final weekend's games (except for possible Hope/Alma reschedule) is:

Adrian @ Olivet - probable Adrian win as they will be ready to vindicate themselves after yesterday.  However, it is a Olivet's home turf and they are always tuff at home.  The "Big O" wants to go out on a positive note for 2008.

Hope @ Kalamazoo:  Usually an easy win for Hope, this could be a tough challenge to pull this off, espescially with Kazoo at home and playing improved as Kazoo has.

Albion @ Alma:  This could be a shootout; always tough up at Balhke Stadium.  Alma could win this but Albion has a shot at it as well.

Trine @ Kentucky Christian:  Should be a win for Trine, as Ky Christian is a newer program and not that good.  However, it is at KY's turf and an "away" game letdown needs to be avoided by Trine; don't look ahead to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 08, 2008, 09:36:56 PM
d3db: I completely understand you have to earn the "respect" to get it.  With Trine improving from 2-8 two years ago, to 6-4 last season and returning numerous upper classmen, you would think they would have been picked higher in the preseason. And for Trine to be the "underdog" this weekend just seems to show the lack of believing in what the Thunder are doing
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 09, 2008, 12:06:15 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 08, 2008, 09:36:56 PM
d3db: I completely understand you have to earn the "respect" to get it.  With Trine improving from 2-8 two years ago, to 6-4 last season and returning numerous upper classmen, you would think they would have been picked higher in the preseason. And for Trine to be the "underdog" this weekend just seems to show the lack of believing in what the Thunder are doing
I are you really complaining???  If you are a Thunder fan just enjoy it & if you are not then respect what that program has done over the past couple of years. 
I hope their coaching staff gets some bonuses.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 09, 2008, 01:00:17 AM
Thunder Fans:

I stand corrected in my predicition.  That was an excellent display of defensive football today, on both sides of the ball.  Tri State, sorry Trine did a great job of tying up the Adrian running game which even though they run the spread is a run first offense, great job also of pressuring the QB all game causing havoc in the backfield and really throwing the Adrian offense off balance.  THe pressure and lack of the ability to run really hurt the continuity and ability of the offense of Adrian to produce at the level it had been.  Trines QB left me impressed, never looking amazing, but at the same time making numerous plays when he needed to the most and be very scrappy during the game, very good scrambling abilitiy as well even though he didnt look as if that would be his forte.  Adrians defense played a great game and minus the safety gave up only the 1 TD which was yet again another great showing from their defense.  Congrats to Trine on the win (even though they will always be Tri State to me) and best of luck with the last game and hopefully this is the year that the MIAA gets a win in the playoffs. 

On a more down note I was personally sad to see Adrian miss out on the prize yet again.   As a program we have come a long way since I started there in 2000 and it is nice to see the foundation being built and improving but at the same time frustrating to not see the program be able to get over the hump.  There are some great coaches and kids at that program who deserve to get theirs someday, but unfortunatley this wasnt the day.  Best of luck to Adrian in their last game and to finish on a high note, the last game this season sets the tone for the first game next season and as deflating as this loss could be having had one similar it cant turn into two losses.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 09, 2008, 07:02:52 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 08, 2008, 07:30:31 PM
It just seems that it took Trine to win the MIAA for them to get respect. In the preseason poll they were voted 5th out of the seven teams.  It just appeared that the MIAA still looked at Trine as the sub-team they were a few years ago.

I think it's a matter of not knowing.  The vast majority of us are looking at these teams from the outside.  We go on what we know, and with Trine being relatively new to the MIAA, we have very little tradition to look back upon.  That 2-8 season was probably a big contributor to many people's lower expectations of Trine.  As you say, respect needs to be earned, and Trine certainly has done that.  I have said it before, but I will say again that the Thunder will represent the MIAA well in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2008, 09:27:40 AM
diezel1:

Again, I can see your point to a degree.  However, for those of us who have followed the MIAA for a long time, we know that historically the preseason poll means nothing.  It seems to almost always go on "last years" (or the year before) results i.e. that is to say, perhaps a little on "emotion" (although that obviously did not constitute all of the "criteria" used in making those predictions).  By that I mean usually the team that has won the title is almost always picked to be on top (or near there) in the poll.  Obviously, for a long time (in the '90's) those predictions came true when Albion was on its run.  Yet, with that not being true so much any more as evidenced by the recent 7-8 years or so, most of us have come to view the pre-season pole with a "wink" so to speak.

Overall, I think miaafan sums it up well in his view on it about Trine being a newer program.  Again, that approach in the polls/"respect" category is a natural, but not one that I would say is "vindictive" or belittling.  Trine needed to prove their "belonging" in the so-called "upper tier" of the league, which again, they have done wonderfully well (and just as Kazoo needs to do and Olivet has done).  Of course, the "parity" aspects have something to do with that a bit as far as school's recruiting they type of student-athlete football players, but certainly a reflection of having the right coaching staff in place and establishing a solid working relationship together as Trine's staff appears to have done in a short 3-4 years or so. (forgive me for reminiscing, but schools like Hope, Albion and even Adrian have done that over the years and so now has Olivet - as compared to 20-30 years ago).

Anyway, I don't want to "beat this horse" anymore as I think everyone has covered this quite well with each of our own view on this, including your own.  Suffice to say that Trine has earned my respect (and the others I'm sure) as we've said and if I were a "betting man" (which I am not), I will "go out on a limb" and predict that Trine will be at the top (or near it) at next August's 2009 MIAA pre-season pole.

While we all want to see our "own" teams win, it is great to have programs on the rise such as Trine (and even Olivet and Kazoo) to represent our league and hopefully earn some "respect" for the MIAA in the regional and national circles.


     

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2008, 09:33:14 AM
Speaking of Trine, do any of you know much about Kentucky Christian?  I don't, other than "perusing" their website.  Just curious.  There are many small schools with pretty good programs down in KY and TN, although many are in the NAIA, I don't think some of those have been as "renegade" as some of the other schools that have been in that organization have been perceived to be that way by some people historically.

Still, I think Trine needs to be focused so they don't go down there thinking KY Christian is a "push-over".  An away trip to a state or two away is always a "dangerous, dangerous thing, and something to be watched". ;D ::) (disclaimer:  quote borrowed and paraphrased from Gorilla Monson and Jesse "The Body" Ventura from a WWF broadcast back in the '90's ;D :P ::))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2008, 11:49:15 AM
Congrats to both teams.  It was a defensive struggle, for sure.  Both teams d's played well enough to win.  Adrian's defense had huge red-zone stops, and Trine's defense did as well, and put two points on the board.  Trine's offense added 7, and got some big first downs towards the end to burn some time off the clock and dig themselves out of poor field position.  Both teams represent the MIAA well.

I hope Trine does NOT go to a reserved seating format when they finish their football complex and the new home side stands.  At Adrian, it made the attendance on the home side look worse than it actually was, seeing the unoccupied yellow seats.  At the very least, they should let anyone sit in them unless the actual seat owner / ticket holder is there to claim it.  With as much money as parents pay for tuition, why try to squeeze more money by charging extra for the nice seats? The facilites at Adrian were awesome, and maybe that is one way to fund it, I guess.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 09, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on September 29, 2008, 07:26:50 AM
I believe I misunderstood your original comment.  I thought you meant no one would be undefeated going into league play - not coming out of league play.  I'll have to wait and post again after Trine defeats Adrian on 11/8.   ;)

Hey D306 - do I get to post now?   ;)

There is one MIAA team undefeated in league play this year! 

Congratulations to the Trine Thunder football program! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 09, 2008, 12:30:25 PM
formerd3db - I don't know a lot about the Trine (formerly Tri-State) program before we arrived on campus last fall (2007 season).  I do know they were part of the NAIA but I have no idea about whether they offered scholarships, etc...  Those of you that have been following the MIAA longer than I probably have a much better idea of how the program looked before NCAA/MIAA participation.  Sorry I don't have more to share.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 09, 2008, 12:39:56 PM
letitrain:

Tri State was formerly a scholarship NAIA program.  At one point I believe evena  national champion caliber NAIA program(?) but at the least they were competitive with what they did.  Its time in NAIA was short lived, having started playing football again in 1995 for the first time since the early 1900's.  They had some very good players left over towards the end of their transitional period but struggled under coach Frey and the transition from scholarship NAIA to non scholarship NCAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2008, 02:49:40 PM
DAWG:

Thanks for the clarification re: Trine.  I was fairly sure they had been a NAIA scholarship program, however, didn't want to commit to posting that without checking the files (didn't have enough time or was lazy I guess - actually a little of both ;D).  They did have a 10-0 season before the transition, although lost in the NAIA playoffs as I recall.  As you mentioned, it was a tough road going through the transitional period for them and, of course, they had the NCAA moretorium/transitional period to have their scholarship players move either by transfer or graduation.  Frey did a credible job (he is now at Olivet as an assistant as most of us know), but it takes time to get a coordinated staff as I mentioned.  BTW, Dan Simmerel, former head coach at Findlay, longtime offensive coordinator at DI West Virginia (and former DI Toledo head man) is now an assistant at Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 09, 2008, 04:55:10 PM
formerd3db:

Frey was a good coach, at the time however Tri State(thats what it was then) wasnt making the commitment it is now.  More than likely because of said transitional period and looking more for a steward to carry the program through that time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 09, 2008, 05:46:48 PM
Congrats to Trine on a big win and good luck in the playoffs!  Adrian, good job on a valiant effort, now go beat the Comets!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2008, 06:35:47 PM
A posting on the MIAA bball board that Hope is now closed through at least Wednesday morning, with 400 confirmed norovirus cases reported.  The poster was very dubious that Hope would re-open even Wednesday.

While this would (rightfully) be far down the priority list, does anyone know if the football team has been isolated and/or allowed to practice elsewhere?  It would be a shame if the @Kzoo game also had to be cancelled.  (My same question would also apply to other teams who, I believe, would be gearing up for national tourneys this week.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on November 10, 2008, 08:47:09 AM
So with Trine clinching a playoff berth, and Adrian losing two games to ranked opponents, could we possibly have two teams represent the MIAA this year in playoff contention?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2008, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: riverrat6806 on November 10, 2008, 08:47:09 AM
So with Trine clinching a playoff berth, and Adrian losing two games to ranked opponents, could we possibly have two teams represent the MIAA this year in playoff contention?

It would be very unusual for a team with 2  losses to make the playoffs ... unless they are a conference champion.  However ... the selection committee's decisions are sometimes very unusual ... so anything is possible
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 10, 2008, 10:37:57 AM
riverrat:

Much as I would like to believe that two teams from the MIAA could make it the reality will be that only Trine will go.  Several factors play into this, a main one being the down year for the entire MIAA, and the years the non conference teams Adrian played had.  As it stands right now Adrian has lost to the only two teams on its schedule that had winning seasons.  Further the MIAA's poor track record in the playoffs, not having won a game since Albion in the mid 90's will be a strong negative factor when considering to take two teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 10, 2008, 11:07:18 AM
LET IT RAIN

Yes you have my permission to post now.  ;D
Enjoy while you can Albion gets back on top next year LOL  ;)

As I said earlier congrats to Trine, finish strong and hoepfully pull a win in the Playoffs. I am hoping for someone beside MU as an opponent.

I think the seating should allow that, as Trine is ranked and hopefully finishes the season undefeated.

I do not believe Adrian will get an invite. 2 Losses and not a very strong schedule. Combine that with the MIAA lack of impact in the Playoffs and league only having 2 winning records. I see little chance of an invite.

I wish they would let Hope and Alma play their cancelled game. Possibly the league will allow it. I note that the Volleyball tourney was cancelled and Hope advanced by virtue of being in first place.

Trine should be tough next year, huge roster and returning alot of players.
Nice momentuem going on Campus growth and Campus grounds. Wish all the schools could get that type of Cash influx, would improve the league as a whole. Great job by the Dean/President securing the monies.

Lets hope the league gets a few more teams with a winning record, need some clout for the Playoff pairings or things will never change. AQ will be the only representative of the league.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2008, 05:15:03 PM
riverrat:

I agree with DBQ1965, DAWG and D306 - there is no way Adrian is going to get an "at-large" Pool C bid, for all the reasons they mentioned.  Plus the fact that there are too many other teams with 1 loss that would be given consideration for a Pool C bid over any two loss team.

No new word yet on rescheduling of the Hope/Alma football game as yet (decision to be made in the next couple of days it is my understanding).  No athletic teams have been allowed to practice, but will be allowed to resume this on Wed, when the college is scheduled to re-open.  Barring a major increase in any outbreaks of the virus, which there has not been as of today, the campus should re-open.  Those teams which had less practice will just have to deal with it re: any post-season play (i.e. soccer, volleyball teams).  As far as I know to date, this Saturday's Hope @ Kazoo football game is still on.  This is a weird situation.  ::) :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2008, 11:25:57 PM
At least the Football team should be rested..........underweight probably, but rested.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 11, 2008, 01:31:13 PM
How does Alma play this weekend?

2 weekends off at the end of the season as they were on a BYE going into the game with Hope.

I do not think I would want that much time off, need to hit somebody besides your own guys.

Hope, I would think may will suffer from the bout with the Virus, I wonder about the effects and number of players effected.

Will be interesting to see who, and how Albion plays.
Started numerous first year and first time starting players VS Kazoo due to injuries last weekend.
Not sure if the 3rd string QB will again start this week, he played pretty well last week limiting the turnovers and throws a good ball, needs some "seasoning" but I felt he handled himself well VS Kazoo.

Defensive Line was short players  the last couple weeks for Albion, forcing alot of plays and less rotation than typical. With Trines speed and Kazoo passing attack it was a very tough assignment.  DL got 1 lineman back last week to help with the play load.

Hope everyone finishes the season healthy and we get decent weather this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: riverrat6806 on November 11, 2008, 01:46:13 PM
Thanks for the input guys. In my opinion both teams deserve to go, both being very good programs this year, but in the end, to the victor go the spoils.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2008, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2008, 11:25:57 PM
At least the Football team should be rested..........underweight probably, but rested.

It depends how many of those guys 1) had the virus and 2) of those who were unfotunate to have the virus, how many had "double blowouts" from it! ;D ::) :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 11, 2008, 05:11:23 PM
Hope v Alma has been rescheduled (for both kinds of football)

ATHLETIC MAKEUP DATES ANNOUNCED
The Hope at Alma men's soccer game has been rescheduled for Friday, Nov. 14 at 3 p.m.
The Alma at Hope football game has been rescheduled for Saturday, Nov. 22 at 1 p.m.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 11, 2008, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: D306 on November 11, 2008, 01:31:13 PM
How does Alma play this weekend?

2 weekends off at the end of the season as they were on a BYE going into the game with Hope.

I do not think I would want that much time off, need to hit somebody besides your own guys.

Alma hosted Adrian the week before the Hope game was postponed.  Perhaps a bye would have been better.   ;D

Nov. 22 down in Holland could be frigid.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 11, 2008, 07:23:19 PM
MIAAFBFAN


My mistake thanks for the heads up.

Should be a good game, both teams fighting for 3rd in the league.

Yes Nov. 22 in Holland will be cold
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 11, 2008, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: D306 on November 11, 2008, 07:23:19 PM
Yes Nov. 22 in Holland will be cold

Nov 15 in Holland will be cold

Saturday: Rain and snow showers likely. Cloudy, with a high near 42.

.........good thing the games down south in Kalamazoo this weekend. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 11, 2008, 09:22:07 PM
Don't even know why I'm mentioning this as I found it on MLIVE which is normally far less than reputable.  But i was looking for some other peoples thoughts on this Pat, yours included on the plausibility of such a scenario taking place?

".If.. they defeat Olivet saturday.NCCA is extending provisional playoff berth to Afdrian if they win.Allso, div 3 office said MIAA will get two entry's from now on but the No. 2 willb e provisional. must have no more than 1 loss in conference and 1 out of conference. If a tie for league champion then best overall record becomes 1st berth and second must be no more than 2 losses. So... on some occassions there may be no second team from MIAA. Meaning League would need to step up play and win non-conference games. "

Again, thoughts?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2008, 09:24:59 PM
This is for football? This is complete nonsense. It doesn't work that way -- not even close.

However, MIAA teams do need to step up and win non-conference games in order to get a second team in the field. And it wouldn't hurt if some of those non-conference games were occasionally in Week 12 or later. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on November 11, 2008, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: sac on November 11, 2008, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: D306 on November 11, 2008, 07:23:19 PM
Yes Nov. 22 in Holland will be cold

Nov 15 in Holland will be cold

Saturday: Rain and snow showers likely. Cloudy, with a high near 42.

.........good thing the games down south in Kalamazoo this weekend. :P


Early weather reports for the Adrian vs. Olivet game this week, 6 p.m. start in Olivet: rain, snow mix with temps in the low 30s ... It's going to be cold ... I am glad that I will be in the press box!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 11, 2008, 10:48:22 PM
Pat,

I knew it made no sense, its never been that way and NCAA would never call and let people know a week early even if it was.  MIAA would not get two bids until someone proved something, OAA in most years would probavbly be more deserving to get in their 3 seed than we would our second.  No knock on Adrian or the MIAA, but the conference just hasnt done what it needs to when it gets to the playoffs to make people respect them yet.

I have been hearing rumblings of if Otterbein loses and a big Adrian win, but I still dont think that would be enough.  Heres to wishful thinking as I know I would love to have made the playoffs, but the pay off of going down to play Mount Union isnt that appealing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2008, 10:54:03 PM
Adrian would still need other teams to lose elsewhere: W&J, RPI, Redlands, Hampden-Sydney, UW-Whitewater and UW-Stevens Point, Ithaca, Montclair State ...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 11, 2008, 11:03:30 PM
formerd3db,

See my reply to you on the HCAC Page.  Hope things ar well for you and your family.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 11, 2008, 11:07:22 PM
Pat,

Thats what I thought ive never heard of a scenario where its all on one team like that unless its a matter of who would win the league.  Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2008, 07:54:57 PM
Indeed, Pat, that is too many other teams to have to lose for consideration ;)  Perhaps easier in past years when some scenarios might allow that to be possible when only say 3-4 teams were vying for an at-large slot.  However, even with the expanded playoffs, that is much less likely in this day and age.

MIAA colleagues:
As has been mentioned, the weather forecast is not that great for this weekend.  Thus, standing on the sidelines (or sitting in the stands) might not be as fun as in past weeks (unless everyone dresses warm obviously).  Anyway, good luck to all your teams this weekend (except Kazoo, of course ;D).  BTW, I was surprised to hear that the Alma/Hope game was rescheduled for Nov 22nd.  Not sure why that was absolutely necessary other than to give the seniors of both teams "one last hurrah".  JustMHO ;)   


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 12, 2008, 08:30:11 PM
formerd3db,

re: Friendships and comraderie made on here.

I 100% agree with you.  Thats the great thing about here.  I've met most of the guys on the HCAC Board...and you (though under unfortunate circumstances!).  The brotherhood on here is like having a 2nd family. 

Glad to hear the daughter made it out of the Hope Health crisis with nary a "scratch".  Stay warm up there this weekend and beat KZoo. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 14, 2008, 10:37:31 AM
Wow just watched Highlights of the Trine VS Adrian game this year.

What a intense game, both teams left a ton of points on the field.
Missed FG's, fumbles, interceptions, dropped passes in endzone.
I am sure Adrian is kicking themselves for lost opportunities and Trine is thankful they made big plays when they needed to.

What a way to decide the champions both teams really fought hard in this game and defenses kept up the pressure all day, containing high powered offenses.

Looking at D3 front page playoff reviews, looks like Trine may get a Home game, and a possible rematch with Franklin.

Play tough Thunder and bring home a win in round 1.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 14, 2008, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: D306 on November 14, 2008, 10:37:31 AM
Play tough Thunder and bring home a win in round 1.

Amen to that!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2008, 09:20:14 PM
I really hope Trine does not slip up and overlook this next game in Kentucky.  A home playoff game could possibly be riding on this. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2008, 10:50:34 PM
Its all about the shoes

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F06woodenshoes2.jpg&hash=50c0d380961d88e23714eb8d7100f88d15d9522c)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Parker45 on November 15, 2008, 02:13:01 PM
8:48 left in the 2nd Trine up 20-6
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 15, 2008, 04:09:00 PM
good  job hope today way to have the shoes for a another year vs kzoo
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 15, 2008, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: sac on November 14, 2008, 10:50:34 PM
Its all about the shoes

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F06woodenshoes2.jpg&hash=50c0d380961d88e23714eb8d7100f88d15d9522c)

Hope 42 Kzoo 16

13 in a row now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BillBanchez67 on November 16, 2008, 02:53:07 AM
congrats to Trine on the win, i wish them the best of luck in the playoffs, they should get a good seed unless they get shafted, hopefully that doesnt happen, but good luck next weekend boys. you guys are having a great year, keepup the good work and end the drought that the MIAA has in the playoffs and get a playoff win. GOOD LUCK
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 16, 2008, 08:58:57 AM
good  luck trine on a nice seasson

on d3 football they have trine seeded 2 in the region they schould play home maybe vs franklin 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 16, 2008, 01:11:23 PM
D306   Are the Trine-Adrian highlights you mention on-line?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAAfan44 on November 16, 2008, 02:16:55 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 16, 2008, 01:11:23 PM
D306   Are the Trine-Adrian highlights you mention on-line?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNqYkq2xhI
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 16, 2008, 03:54:43 PM
Trine will host Wheaton in round 1 in an all Thunder game.  That could get confusing.  Good luck, Trine!  Wheaton is a very good team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 16, 2008, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on November 16, 2008, 03:54:43 PM
Trine will host Wheaton in round 1 in an all Thunder game.  That could get confusing.  Good luck, Trine!  Wheaton is a very good team.

Get your tickets now it'll be THUNDER!!! ........THUNDER!!!..........THUNDER!!!!


Tough draw, but it is the playoffs.

Hope played Wheaton the week before they played Trine

Wheaton 47 Hope 7
Trine 31 Hope 30
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on November 16, 2008, 06:01:08 PM
Congrats to Trine, and congrats to all the teams in the MIAA for another hard fought season.  Here are the Wheaton cumulative stats (http://athletics.wheaton.edu/Sports/football/fb_stats/teamcume.htm) to hopefully spark some discussion for you guys.  Good luck to Trine in their first football playoffs.  Enjoy the experience, enjoy the fruit of your hard work!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2008, 07:22:05 PM
Thoughts From This Weekend:

First, congrats to Trine players, coaching staff and fans for their undefeated regular season and playoff spot.  A great accomplishment for the program.  Drawing Wheaton is a touch challenge, however, not impossible to win.  Trine just has to make sure they don't have any temporary let downs during the game as they did against Hope and Kazoo as well as capitalize on their opportunities unlike they did in the Adrian game.  For sure, Wheaton will be "gunning" even though they are playing an "away" game.  Hopefully, the home crowd will be of an emotional boost for Trine.  Overall, the bracket that Trine is in is a very tough one.  Weather is going to be..."not nice", but the game goes on and both teams have to deal with the conditions.

Hope had a nice win yesterday.  Give credit to the players and the coaching staff.  One aspect that was nice to see was a renewed attitude among the players.  Two weeks ago, I commented on the "depressed" attitute among them, but it was evident that they decided to not give up and persevere yesterday.  Perhaps the two week layoff helped somewhat in that regard.  Hope executed quite well yesterday - there were a few minor breakdowns, but overall they did well.  One of our players (#29) fractured his clavical in the latter part of the game yesterday and we wish him well and good recovery for that.  Hope must stay focused for the final game this weekend against a good Alma team that defeated Albion yesterday.  QB McGrady and his air arsenal will test our secondary, but if the latter plays like they did yesterday against Kazoo, they should be okay.

As far as Kazoo, my hats off to Coach Zerbo and his staff as they are doing a great job.  It was very evident that a new attitude is at Kazoo now as well.  From conversations with various parents there and others yesterday, it appears that the administration and alumni are soundly behind the coach and helping in recruiting of good student-athletes for them yet in keepin with their academic expections.  Kazoo had some bright spots yesterday and while they have a long way to go, I think they have a good chance of vastly improving the program (if Olivet can do it in recent years, so can Kazoo).  Despite a small crowd, the Kazoo people were enthusiastic and it was great to see all the tailgaiters out there at historic Angell Stadium/Field.  Our Hope fan's jam-packed the visitors side (along with many standing on the parimeter) so that was good to see.  Weather wasn't too bad, stopped raining by game time and when the wind was not around, it was comfortable with the sun actually coming out several times in the second half and the last two minutes of the game.  It was nice to see some of the younger reserve players get a chance to get some playing time in the 4th quarter.  Western Michigan had their game against Toledo going on at the same time, which is always exciting to hear the roar of both Kazoo and Western crowds alternating at time.  The Air Force jet formation pre-game for Western flew over Angel Field as well, so that was a neat sight to see.

Anyway, best wishes to all the seniors on all the MIAA football teams this year as they eventually move on in their next endeavors in "the game of life". 

A few more posts for this week's Alma/Hope game I'm sure and for Trine's playoff week as well.  Talk to you all later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2008, 08:59:52 PM
Trine 31 Hope 30

Wheaton 47 Hope 7
Adrian 39  Hope 3

Trine 9  Adrian 0

Trine must have forgotten to look at Hope scores when they played Adrian.  Gotta believe they will wear the same blinders when they play Wheaton.   :)

It looks like Wheaton's loss to 7-3 Elmhurst on the road was still to a good team.

Some people at Trine where a little disappointed ESPN gave more attention to Wheaton than Trine.  They managed to say a least a sentence for about every team listed, except for Trine.  For a minute I thought Wheaton was the #2 seed.   No one will give respect until it is earned, no doubt.   Should be a great game at Angola.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 16, 2008, 09:04:07 PM
CWRU70

Youtube link referenced by miaafan44 is were I saw the highlights.

Tough draw for Trine, Wheaton will be a tough game.

Wheaton has had their way with MIAA lately, least hope Trine reverses that trend and gets this one.

Home field will be a nice change for the MIAA.

Congrats to all Seniors and Coachs in the MIAA.
I wish the Graduating Seniors found memeories and friendships from thier efforts on the field.
All these years later I recall my football days at every level and have life long friends from those teams.
I think sweating and pushing yourselves to places you did not think you could go, builds Character and a bond you do not outgrow or forget.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 16, 2008, 10:32:49 PM
Who has seen Trine and can tell me about them? I am a Wheaton fan and look foward to coming to Angola and adding Trine to the teams I have seen in D3. Should only be a 2.5 hr drive from chicago?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2008, 05:12:52 AM
Wheaton is very excited to play Trine, apparently...

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4077.0

"If I am Wheaton...this is the best possible draw. MIAA champ and a much friendlier than usualsecond round opponent."

"I love this time of year as a CCIW fan.  Overrated 10-0 teams "match-up" in the playoffs, and get beat up by a more physical CCIW teams. 

Thunder(Wheaton) 31-10"

"#7 (8-2) Wheaton is listed as a 7.5 point favorite AT #2 (10-0) Trine" in their pick-ems.

"Now with the talent they have, and a new appreciation for where they are at, this could be a great recipe for the Thunder.  It's not easy sledding to get to the third round, but it is very doable.  definitely looking forward to a Wheaton/NCC rematch!"   Looking ahead already to the third round.

"My philosophy (shared by some, perhaps not all) is that once the conference battles are over, I'm a CCIW fan.  Go Cards and (Wheaton, not Trine) Thunder!"  Mr Ypsi  

"Looking like an All-CCIW regional final."

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 17, 2008, 09:53:06 AM
Definitely no respect being given to the MIAA, and this all looks to be great locker room posting material.  On the other hand, respect does need to be earned, and I'm looking forward to Trine beginning that process on Saturday! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on November 17, 2008, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2008, 05:12:52 AM
Wheaton is very excited to play Trine, apparently...

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4077.0

"If I am Wheaton...this is the best possible draw. MIAA champ and a much friendlier than usualsecond round opponent."

"I love this time of year as a CCIW fan.  Overrated 10-0 teams "match-up" in the playoffs, and get beat up by a more physical CCIW teams.  

Thunder(Wheaton) 31-10"

"#7 (8-2) Wheaton is listed as a 7.5 point favorite AT #2 (10-0) Trine" in their pick-ems.

"Now with the talent they have, and a new appreciation for where they are at, this could be a great recipe for the Thunder.  It's not easy sledding to get to the third round, but it is very doable.  definitely looking forward to a Wheaton/NCC rematch!"   Looking ahead already to the third round.

"My philosophy (shared by some, perhaps not all) is that once the conference battles are over, I'm a CCIW fan.  Go Cards and (Wheaton, not Trine) Thunder!"  Mr Ypsi  

"Looking like an All-CCIW regional final."

It should be pointed out that the quote in red is from a very rare Wheaton poster who is not a typical poster.  He rarely posts and when he does it usually isn't well received, even by Wheaton posters.  His significant negative post to karma ratio exhibits that.

The other poster has only posted 10 times... so these quotes should be taken with a grain of salt.  They do not represent the tone of most on the board.

The quote attributed to the point spread line between Wheaton and Trine comes from the OAC Pick-Ems.  This was not set by anyone affiliated with Wheaton or the CCIW! 

Furthermore you need to consider that 98% of us had Wheaton turning in their gear this morning.  At 8-2 their season was over, until all the upsets occurred last Saturday (even then it was a stretch).  There is some understandable excitement...

You probably don't have the context that Wheaton is 5-0 in first round games, only to head to Alliance, OH for most 2nd round games, where like most teams who play MUC the season ends abruptly.  Added to that Wheaton has beaten the MIAA the last 13-14 times they have played over the past 5-6 seasons.  So... no MUC until far into the playoffs and playing the MIAA in the 1st round where we've had some success.  I don't believe this was intended as a slight on Trine.

I can guarantee you Coach Swider and the Wheaton players will not take Trine lightly at all and will show nothing but respect.  You don't get to 10-0 without having a very strong team.

If you want locker room posting material from quotes attributed to people about as far away from the program as possible, so be it.  That is not the attitude of those close to the program.  Given the recent track record of the MIAA in the playoffs, playing with a "chip on the shoulder" is a good thing.

I'm looking for a great game on Saturday between the Thunders, but I'm hopefully the southwest version comes out on top.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 17, 2008, 10:43:10 AM
The MIAA hasn't won a playoff game since Albion's 1994 title win, and every loss this decade, with the exception of  Alma/Carthage '04 has been a blowout.  I would say it's the best possible match-up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 17, 2008, 11:40:06 AM
Im not familiar with the way the top 25 works and I know this has been talked about before on here but how is Trine still below Franklin in the rankings? Is it based on the differences in the HCAC and the MIAA?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2008, 11:42:52 AM
There's been a fair amount of discussion on this and it's basically been boiled down to a few points:

1. It was a three-point game on Trine's home field, right around the average value of home field. The poll tries to measure who would beat whom on a neutral field.
2. Trine hasn't exactly looked strong with some of its conference wins.
3. The game was in September and Trine hasn't looked like that team consistently.

All can be erased with one playoff win, though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2008, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2008, 11:42:52 AM
There's been a fair amount of discussion on this and it's basically been boiled down to a few points:

1. It was a three-point game on Trine's home field, right around the average value of home field. The poll tries to measure who would beat whom on a neutral field.
2. Trine hasn't exactly looked strong with some of its conference wins.
3. The game was in September and Trine hasn't looked like that team consistently.

All can be erased with one playoff win, though.

Understood, but Trine also outplayed Franklin in the other common opponents they had in Defiance and Manchester.   

However, as proven before, it is hard to judge a team by common opponents when you compare Adrians performance against Kzoo / Hope and Trines performance against Kzoo / Hope, and the fact that Trine beat Adrian at Adrain.  It is all about matchups I guess.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on November 17, 2008, 03:09:46 PM
You don't get to be an undefeated conference champ by being a slouch.  I'm sure both teams will be ready.  IMO whichever team is more consistent will be the victor.  At times this year, Wheaton has had some problems with being consistent.  It should be a great game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 17, 2008, 03:34:08 PM
Looks like things are heating up between the CCIW and MIAA.  Personally, I am glad Wheaton is playing Trine.  Wheaton is a solid, well-coached program, and the vast majority of their fans are respectful and leave the trash talk for the other boards. Let's face it, the MIAA would be thrilled to be where the CCIW is right now in terms of quality and depth.  We need a playoff win against a quality opponent.  Wheaton is most definitely that.  This should be a great game.  May the best Thunder win!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: thundermike11 on November 17, 2008, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2008, 05:12:52 AM
Wheaton is very excited to play Trine, apparently...

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4077.0

"If I am Wheaton...this is the best possible draw. MIAA champ and a much friendlier than usualsecond round opponent."

"I love this time of year as a CCIW fan.  Overrated 10-0 teams "match-up" in the playoffs, and get beat up by a more physical CCIW teams. 

Thunder(Wheaton) 31-10"

"#7 (8-2) Wheaton is listed as a 7.5 point favorite AT #2 (10-0) Trine" in their pick-ems.

"Now with the talent they have, and a new appreciation for where they are at, this could be a great recipe for the Thunder.  It's not easy sledding to get to the third round, but it is very doable.  definitely looking forward to a Wheaton/NCC rematch!"   Looking ahead already to the third round.

"My philosophy (shared by some, perhaps not all) is that once the conference battles are over, I'm a CCIW fan.  Go Cards and (Wheaton, not Trine) Thunder!"  Mr Ypsi  

"Looking like an All-CCIW regional final."



At this point I don't think Wheaton is taking anyone lightly. They are just excited to have the opportunity to play at all. If these were quotes from Wheaton players or coaches it would be a different story, but you will not hear anything of the sort coming from them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 17, 2008, 03:45:47 PM
Looking ahead to Saturday - here's the forcast for Angola:

High 37°F

Precip 10%
Thunder 100%
Wind: SSW 10 mph
Max. Humidity: 67%
UV Index: 2 Low



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on November 17, 2008, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 17, 2008, 03:45:47 PM
Thunder 100%

+k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 17, 2008, 05:08:52 PM
Pat,

I understand those reasons, so how does Trine get the 2 seed and Franklin is the 5? Just curious???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2008, 05:11:43 PM
Hey Stinger:

Great to see you back on the board.  Please give us your summary thoughts on Kazoo this year and Zorbo's program so far.  BTW, were you at the game this past Saturday?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 17, 2008, 05:08:52 PM
Pat,

I understand those reasons, so how does Trine get the 2 seed and Franklin is the 5? Just curious???

Because the NCAA goes solely on records and not on how good a team actually is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 17, 2008, 06:45:59 PM
Best of luck to Trine, drawing a two seed and getting the home game in the first round should help them out.  They definitely got a tough draw with a good Wheaton team to play in the first round.  Historically MIAA teams struggle to get out of the first round while Wheaton expects to get out of round one.  I think experience in big games and postseason play from the coaching staff on down will provide a significant edge for Wheaton.  Having seen Trine play, I am impressed with the physical nature of their defense and the ability of their offense to come right after opposing defenses.  The Franklin game and playing Adrian should have provided good tests for Trine coming in, especially from the defensive side of the ball.

Anyone hear have some good insight onto what to expect from Wheaton this year, what are we looking at coming up to Angola?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 17, 2008, 08:10:45 PM
Wheaton is a solid all around team. Their best player is pete ittersagen. He is a corner and one of the best players in d3. He also is the nations top punt returner. They have a sr defense and are pretty solid all around defensively. On offense they have a strong workhorse type running back named rocky gingg. He is tough to tackle and they will run right at you. Their qb has a great arm and is mobile. They have a wr that is one of the fastest players in d3. Their special teams have won a lot of games for them. Their weakness is the offensive line at times. In their two losses they gave up 9 sacks and turned it over 10 times. Their other 8 wins they were only sacked 4 times w 11 turnovers. If you want to win you have to pressure their qb.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 17, 2008, 10:42:26 PM
Thanks Pat.  That definately clears up the seedings
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 18, 2008, 10:43:23 AM
USee:

Thanks for the insight.  Sounds like a very solid team coming to play Trine.  One thing that sounds as if it might bode well for Trine is Wheaton struggling when pressured.  Trine was able to put quite a bit of pressure on Adrian in their game and that made a big difference in how well the Adrian offense was able to perform.  IF they can bring the same type of pressure when they play Wheaton it would be a good thing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 18, 2008, 12:35:19 PM
To whomever may know:

I hear that the MIAA all-league selections will not come out until the Alma-Hope game is completed.  Is that correct?  I would assume so...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2008, 02:44:34 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on November 18, 2008, 12:35:19 PM
To whomever may know:

I hear that the MIAA all-league selections will not come out until the Alma-Hope game is completed.  Is that correct?  I would assume so...

There is nothing posted on the MIAA website, nor any of the individual school's websites either.  I have also not had a chance to ask about this with "the usual sources".  However, it obviously makes sense that it would not be fair to consider all-league selections whatsoever until all the regular season games are completed.  I cannot imagine it would not be done this way and would be extremely surprised (and shocked :o) if that ever happened.

BTW, you people attending the Hope/Alma game and the Trine/Wheaton playoff game (and/or any other games for that matter  ;D) better dress warm for Saturday.  Holland has had quite a bit of snow the last couple of days and even if some of it melts, the projected forecast is for colder weather (although sunny).  Keep posted on the updated weather reports later in the week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: thundermike11 on November 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Just in case you all are interested, these are the first team all-CCIW players for Wheaton. Just to give you an idea of their strong points:

1st Team Defense
Pete Ittersagen, Sr. DB
Stephen Pagh, Sr. LB
Ben Khenzle, Sr. DL

First Team Offense
Rocky Gingg, Soph. RB
Alex Pokorny, Sr. WR
Jesse Scott. Sr. OL

First Team Specialists
Pete Ittersagen, Sr. RS
Tim Ellingsen, Sr. K

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 18, 2008, 04:36:03 PM
On an unrelated post id like to go ahead and congratulate the Adrian College Defensive coaching staff for finishing as the number one defense in the MIAA for the second year in a row.

Ranked 1st:
Scoring Defense
Passing Defense
Total Defense
Def Pass Efficiency
Opponents 1st Downs
Sacks by
Opponents 3rd down conversion
Opponents 4th down conversion
Red zone defense

Ranked 2nd:
Rushing  defense

National Rankings:
Total defense 9th in the Nation
Rushing defense 6th in the Nation
Scoring defense 10th in the Nation
Opp 3rd down conversion 12th in the Nation
Opp 4th down conversion 11th(T) in the Nation
Redzone defense 4th in the Nation

Needless to say id be surprised to see only two Adrian players make first team all MIAA defense like happened last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2008, 04:46:40 PM
NOTE to those in MIAA Pickems - the contest continues as long as MIAA teams are playing.  I've already got your Alma @ Hope picks (though you may change your pick if you wish), but you need to pick Wheaton @ Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 18, 2008, 05:29:41 PM
ADAWG,

what can you tell us about Trine?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on November 18, 2008, 05:51:59 PM
Quote from: thundermike on November 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Just in case you all are interested, these are the first team all-CCIW players for Wheaton. Just to give you an idea of their strong points:

1st Team Defense
Pete Ittersagen, Sr. DB
Stephen Pagh, Sr. LB
Ben Khenzle, Sr. DL

First Team Offense
Rocky Gingg, Soph. RB
Alex Pokorny, Sr. WR
Jesse Scott. Sr. OL

First Team Specialists
Pete Ittersagen, Sr. RS
Tim Ellingsen, Sr. K

Just to round out some other names, there were a few 2nd Team selections:

Shane Woodward, Sr. S
Nick Theobald, Jr. DL
Sean Norris, Jr. QB
Mike Berttucci, Jr. TE
Mike Orr, Sr. OL

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2008, 06:06:55 PM
Quote from: thundermike on November 18, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Just in case you all are interested, these are the first team all-CCIW players for Wheaton. Just to give you an idea of their strong points:

1st Team Defense
Pete Ittersagen, Sr. DB
Stephen Pagh, Sr. LB
Ben Khenzle, Sr. DL

First Team Offense
Rocky Gingg, Soph. RB
Alex Pokorny, Sr. WR
Jesse Scott. Sr. OL

First Team Specialists
Pete Ittersagen, Sr. RS
Tim Ellingsen, Sr. K



First teamers for the MIAA have not been released yet.  I suspect there might be one or maybe two from Trine.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 18, 2008, 08:10:27 PM
Usee:

Trine is a very stout team.  Having only seen them play once against Adrian I dont have the best overall insight on them.  But in talking to others ive been able to piece together more.  Their defense appears to be farther along than their offense with the ability to put pressure on the passing game as well as to shut the running game down very well.  They held an Adrian team that had been averaging 240 rushing yards or so a game to 122 total yards in their MIAA championship matchup.  The strong D which ranked second in the MIAA was complimented well by an offense that takes opportunity of other teams mistakes having a +12 turnover margin on the season, they averaged over 28 a game on the season but lack consistency at times and have had dry stretches followed by explosions of scoring (see the Kzoo game).  Their main strengths lie in the physical nature of both sides of the ball they are a very good running team with a QB who despite not looking overly athletic will surprise with what he can do, complimented by a passing game that can hurt you if you let it.  Their coaching staff is very young and imaginitive, having come from the highschool ranks as well as Arena football, Coach Land their head coach was formerly the head coach for the Fort Wayne Freedom in IN.  One thing to look out for is their pass rush, Wheaton has struggled with that at times on the season and Trine has 29 sacks on the season through 9 games, their last game not being recorded at this point.  They can rush the passer and make the offense make mistakes which could be a huge factor in the game on saturday.  Tough running game, physical OL and an opportunistic defense that will punch you in the mouth, thats a good expectation for this Saturday from Trine i would expect.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2008, 10:06:57 PM
I will just add to DAWG's comments that Trine has a good passing attack; their QB has a great release, similar to Dan Marino's style QB/WR combo has a great timing especially on long routes.  TE is good also.  I was impressed with the overall speed and size of Trine when they played Hope.  Overall, I can see it being a potential tight game unless Trine succumbs to the "first time jitters" and Wheaton blows it open early.  Of course, I'm rooting for Trine as our MIAA representative (sorry you Wheaton guys! ;)  ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2008, 10:43:28 PM
Now THIS is conference loyalty, given that Hope lost to Trine by 1 and Wheaton by 40! ;)

+k for formerd3db. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BillBanchez67 on November 18, 2008, 11:01:21 PM
what do all you guys think about the survey question on the side of D3 homepage? How do you guys feel about trine being most likely to be upset this week? i think the guys on the Trine team will see this as a motivation. lets face it everyone thought every week that they were going to lose, and i think those guys in Angola will take this in and use it to their advantage, i feel they will play their buts off just to prove people wrong, to try to get some respect nationally.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2008, 12:49:32 AM
BillBanchez67:

I should hope that the Poll on the front page would be motivation for all the Trine players, being picked the first high seed to get bounced from the tournament isnt exactly a ringing endorsement or validation for a program.  That being said I can understand why people would pick Trine for that dubious honor.  They certainly had a great season, 10-0 no one in the country has a better record, but detractors will point to the weak level of play this year in the MIAA, the overall poor showings by the MIAA in the playoffs and the inexperience of both the players and coaches of Trine in the playoffs/postseason as reasons for picking them to lose out to what is a much more nationally recognizable program (at the DIII level) in Wheaton who has the experience and name recognition.  I personally would like nothing more than to see Trine earn the MIAA their first playoff win in the last however many years and if they show up to play, do what they need to on offense and get after Wheaton on defense they can do it.  No one said it would ever be easy, but nothing worth anything in life ever is.  Best of luck to Trine this saturday, im sure they will be getting plenty of wishes of luck on this board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 19, 2008, 06:51:08 AM
I don't want to get in the mix of all the playoff discussion, but did want to respond to FD3DB's question. I think Coach Zorbo is the right guy for the job, hands down.  A 4 year player at K (we spent one year at K at the same time) and then coached under Tim Rogers.   It's apparent that Coach Zorbo knows the unique challenges that arise at K and recruiting is his number one priority.  The administration at Kalamazoo is very supportive of the program and understands the needs for upgrades. There have been plans drawn for a new fieldhouse and field at the same site. However, the past 2 months have thrown a serious wrinkle into those plans.  We shall see how K moves forward. One thing's for sure, Coach Zorbo is doing a hell of a job.  K could have easily had 3 or 4 more wins this year. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 19, 2008, 01:14:55 PM
I appreciate the comments on Trine. I look forward to a tough battle.

RE: the front page survey.  If the Trine players need to get motivation from that they are in serious trouble Saturday. I would think being in the playoffs at home against a successful program is all the motivation they will need.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 19, 2008, 04:11:43 PM
wheaton is going to try and run   vs trine there tailback rocky is a good back he tore hope apart  when they played  them  good luck trine they are going to need all the breaks they can saturday 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cardinals1226 on November 19, 2008, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 18, 2008, 08:10:27 PM
Usee:

Trine is a very stout team.  Having only seen them play once against Adrian I dont have the best overall insight on them.  But in talking to others ive been able to piece together more.  Their defense appears to be farther along than their offense with the ability to put pressure on the passing game as well as to shut the running game down very well.  They held an Adrian team that had been averaging 240 rushing yards or so a game to 122 total yards in their MIAA championship matchup.  The strong D which ranked second in the MIAA was complimented well by an offense that takes opportunity of other teams mistakes having a +12 turnover margin on the season, they averaged over 28 a game on the season but lack consistency at times and have had dry stretches followed by explosions of scoring (see the Kzoo game).  Their main strengths lie in the physical nature of both sides of the ball they are a very good running team with a QB who despite not looking overly athletic will surprise with what he can do, complimented by a passing game that can hurt you if you let it.  Their coaching staff is very young and imaginitive, having come from the highschool ranks as well as Arena football, Coach Land their head coach was formerly the head coach for the Fort Wayne Freedom in IN.  One thing to look out for is their pass rush, Wheaton has struggled with that at times on the season and Trine has 29 sacks on the season through 9 games, their last game not being recorded at this point.  They can rush the passer and make the offense make mistakes which could be a huge factor in the game on saturday.  Tough running game, physical OL and an opportunistic defense that will punch you in the mouth, thats a good expectation for this Saturday from Trine i would expect.

I'll help fill in the gaps.  ;) I'm a student at Tri-State (It'll never be Trine to me) so I've seen all but 4-5 games the past 2 years. Tri-State is a very young and talented team. They bring a lot of pressure on d and play a defense similar to the 3-4. The D-line is a strong, fast group that puts a lot of pressure on the run game and the quarterback. At Adrian two weeks ago they essential stopped a very good running team. In the past few weeks that has been the strongest part of the defense behind linebackers Courtney Pearson and Joe Curtis. For the most part, the defense capitalizes on big plays and will take advantage of their opponents' mistakes, something that has hurt the last few Tri-State opponents. The pass defense is pretty good too, but have a tendency every now and then to give up a huge play through the air.

As for the offense, it's a pretty balanced run/pass offense. Eric Watt is a mobile QB who has good speed and can shed tacklers and has a strong arm. The running game is usually split between several players and there isn't really one player getting all the carries. The O-line is a good run blocking team and help create a hole for Langley, Brown, Watt, and Glidden. The biggest weakest to the offense is how young they are. Many of the wide receivers are freshman/sophomores and have a tendency to drop balls, especially in the last few weeks, most notably in the Adrian game. The thing that works to their advantage is their speed. Paul Curtis, Mario Brown, and Lemar Qualls are exceptionally fast and when they get in the open are usually gone. Also, the offense tends to score in bunches. In the Kalamazoo game most notably, scored 22 points in the last 4-5 minutes. The offense can be explosive at times or be very inconsistent like they were again Adrian, Hope, and Kalamazoo.

And as a side note, I think the lack of respect, which is common for a team who is essentially unknown, will only help Tri-State Saturday. I think that will only add to their fire for a win and prove that they are a good team and deserve recognition. I'm excited for Saturday and have a feeling the game will be one of the better ones played throughout D-III this weekend. Go Tri-State Thunder.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 19, 2008, 05:36:24 PM
I don't think Trine needs motivation for this weekend.  They have been picked as the underdog in numerous occasions because of their lack of experience and/or past lack of success. The poll only adds "fuel to the fire", to prove to the nation that this team is a good solid team. They haven't lost a home game in two years and you can bet that Coach Land and the other coaches will have them fired up and ready to play hard on Saturday and send a message.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2008, 05:40:42 PM
cardinals1226:

I just call it Trine to be nice, when I played them and knew them it was Tri State and will always be to me as well!  Good to see a new name on the board and one that can offer more insight into the goings on at TSU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 19, 2008, 05:51:07 PM
I keep reading the words "lack of respect" for Trine and I'm wondering where this is coming from.

Is it just simply the few random quotes from internet posters?

Because it surely can't be from receiving a #2 seed from a conference that hasn't won a playoff game since 1994, can it?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2008, 05:51:07 PM
I keep reading the words "lack of respect" for Trine and I'm wondering where this is coming from.

Is it just simply the few random quotes from internet posters?

Because it surely can't be from receiving a #2 seed from a conference that hasn't won a playoff game since 1994, can it?

As a Trine fan, here is what I have seen....How about a number of postings in the CCIW forum proclaiming big wins, and an easy road, for Wheaton.  The ESPN bracket coverage mentioned something for just about every team except Trine.  People picking Trine as the most likely upset of the top 8 seeds.  D3football.com placing Franklin ahead of Trine even though Trine beat them, and Trine also beat their common opponents by a larger margin than Franklin did.  Early on, the predictions of finishing middle of the conference in spite of the fact that Trine was returning about 19 of 21 starters (when they finished 6-4).  Maybe in some minds Trine has not done anything yet to deserve respect, but the lack of respect has not gone unnoticed either. 

I am hoping for a great game on Saturday.  Wheaton is a super team.  Trine wins, maybe some more people will believe.  Wheaton wins, Trine will have represented themselves well regardless.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cardinals1226 on November 19, 2008, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 19, 2008, 05:36:24 PM
I don't think Trine needs motivation for this weekend.  They have been picked as the underdog in numerous occasions because of their lack of experience and/or past lack of success. The poll only adds "fuel to the fire", to prove to the nation that this team is a good solid team. They haven't lost a home game in two years and you can bet that Coach Land and the other coaches will have them fired up and ready to play hard on Saturday and send a message.

There is no doubt about that. The home games here for the last 2 years have been so of the loudest and most entertaining games I've been to, including watching my high school making a few state runs. I've enjoyed watching the intensity of this team and I think a home game against a tough team like Wheaton is the perfect opportunity to get over the hump both as a team and the MIAA. Good luck to both.

Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2008, 05:40:42 PM
cardinals1226:

I just call it Trine to be nice, when I played them and knew them it was Tri State and will always be to me as well!  Good to see a new name on the board and one that can offer more insight into the goings on at TSU.

Absolutely. I've been hiding in the shadows reading the posts the entire season and finally decided to join. I wasn't a big fan of how the name change occurred and for the reasons it did, the reason for my disinterest to call the school Trine.  ;D

Quote from: sac on November 19, 2008, 05:51:07 PM
I keep reading the words "lack of respect" for Trine and I'm wondering where this is coming from.

Is it just simply the few random quotes from internet posters?

Because it surely can't be from receiving a #2 seed from a conference that hasn't won a playoff game since 1994, can it?

It has nothing to do with the number 2 seed. Honestly, I don't think they would have gotten a 1-3 if it wasn't for Wabash's loss last weekend. Let me start at the beginning by say that 3 years ago the team had a 20 game loosing streak while led to the firing of the previous coach and the hiring of Matt Lamb and his staff. In his first year he turned the team into a 2 game winner then a 6, and finally this year 10 and O. The team has turned things around faster than anyone's expectations, but very little has been said of that.

Going back to this year, the team played a ranked Franklin team, ranked 18 at the time and beat them. While Franklin lost only 2 spots in the poll, Tri-State received no recognition. It wasn't until the team was 6-0 and had a chance at a playoff birth before the team crack the top 25, but where somehow still below Franklin even though they beat them. It had to come down to them actually winning the conference and getting a high bidding, mostly with the help of Wabash, to even get their name said, which was only a fraction of a second until the convo switched back to how amazing Mount Union is and how they are going to run the table. I listened to the post analysis of the pairings and very little was said about them when every team got a few minutes. When the coach of Wheaton was asked if he knew anything about Tri-State, and he said no, that was the last time Tri-State was mentioned the rest of hour and half show. Going back a bit, but they beat Franklin at home where they have been 10-0 the last 2 years and a current win streak of 12 games. Even with all that success they are still below Franklin in the polls. Plus, as mentioned by Uncle Rio, nearly every starter returned from last year and were still picked to be below Adrian and Alma in the conference pre-season standings. The poll about which top seed will lose in the first round was only the cherry on top of the cake.

I don't think it's wrong to say that they are the underdog or that you have to earn respect before you get it, but there has been a lot of hear no evil, see no evil going on when Tri-State is mentioned. They should be just as scary as any other top team. They are 10-0 and the ability to have a home game for some time if they keep winning and that has been when they play the best football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on November 19, 2008, 08:05:56 PM
Well stated, Cardinal, and best wishes to Tri-State this weekend.  As one with origins just across the border in Bryan, the school will always be Tri-State to those engineers, some who are personal friends and relatives, who weathered their years in Angola.  I'm just waiting for Defiance to follow similar circumstances and become "McMaster" University.  :D

"Oh, there is one!  There is one!"
                                      - Natalie Wood   ;)


Besides, any school with a handgun team can't be all bad.  ;D

Signed,

Denny Crane
                                     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cardinals1226 on November 19, 2008, 08:09:32 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 19, 2008, 08:05:56 PM
Well stated, Cardinal, and best wishes to Tri-State this weekend.  As one with origins just across the border in Bryan, the school will always be Tri-State to those engineers, some who are personal friends and relatives, who weathered their years in Angola.  I'm just waiting for Defiance to follow similar circumstances and become "McMaster" University.  :D

"Oh, there is one!  There is one!"
                                      - Natalie Wood   ;)


Besides, any school with a handgun team can't be all bad.  ;D

Signed,

Denny Crane
                                     

Got to love those C.J. majors....  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Augie6 on November 19, 2008, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2008, 05:51:07 PM
I keep reading the words "lack of respect" for Trine and I'm wondering where this is coming from.

Is it just simply the few random quotes from internet posters?

Because it surely can't be from receiving a #2 seed from a conference that hasn't won a playoff game since 1994, can it?

As a Trine fan, here is what I have seen....How about a number of postings in the CCIW forum proclaiming big wins, and an easy road, for Wheaton.  The ESPN bracket coverage mentioned something for just about every team except Trine.  People picking Trine as the most likely upset of the top 8 seeds.  D3football.com placing Franklin ahead of Trine even though Trine beat them, and Trine also beat their common opponents by a larger margin than Franklin did.  Early on, the predictions of finishing middle of the conference in spite of the fact that Trine was returning about 19 of 21 starters (when they finished 6-4).  Maybe in some minds Trine has not done anything yet to deserve respect, but the lack of respect has not gone unnoticed either. 

I am hoping for a great game on Saturday.  Wheaton is a super team.  Trine wins, maybe some more people will believe.  Wheaton wins, Trine will have represented themselves well regardless.   :)

The only thing that will earn Trine (or any MIAA team) respect outside of their conference, is to win a playoff game.  When a conference hasn't won a playoff game since 1994 and hasn't been all that competitive in their most recent playoff appearances (7 first round losses since 2000 with an average score of 39-18) it's natural for most people to not give the conference's representative much of a chance in the playoffs.  The fact that they beat a good Franklin team this year is great, but let's not forget that the HCAC hasn't had much more success in the playoffs than the MIAA.  If Trine beats Wheaton this weekend, Trine and the MIAA will have earned the respect of people outside the conference.  If not, my guess is you'll see the same types of things next year for whoever the MIAA playoff rep is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 19, 2008, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: Augie6 on November 19, 2008, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2008, 05:51:07 PM
I keep reading the words "lack of respect" for Trine and I'm wondering where this is coming from.

Is it just simply the few random quotes from internet posters?

Because it surely can't be from receiving a #2 seed from a conference that hasn't won a playoff game since 1994, can it?

As a Trine fan, here is what I have seen....How about a number of postings in the CCIW forum proclaiming big wins, and an easy road, for Wheaton.  The ESPN bracket coverage mentioned something for just about every team except Trine.  People picking Trine as the most likely upset of the top 8 seeds.  D3football.com placing Franklin ahead of Trine even though Trine beat them, and Trine also beat their common opponents by a larger margin than Franklin did.  Early on, the predictions of finishing middle of the conference in spite of the fact that Trine was returning about 19 of 21 starters (when they finished 6-4).  Maybe in some minds Trine has not done anything yet to deserve respect, but the lack of respect has not gone unnoticed either. 

I am hoping for a great game on Saturday.  Wheaton is a super team.  Trine wins, maybe some more people will believe.  Wheaton wins, Trine will have represented themselves well regardless.   :)

The only thing that will earn Trine (or any MIAA team) respect outside of their conference, is to win a playoff game.  When a conference hasn't won a playoff game since 1994 and hasn't been all that competitive in their most recent playoff appearances (7 first round losses since 2000 with an average score of 39-18) it's natural for most people to not give the conference's representative much of a chance in the playoffs.  The fact that they beat a good Franklin team this year is great, but let's not forget that the HCAC hasn't had much more success in the playoffs than the MIAA.  If Trine beats Wheaton this weekend, Trine and the MIAA will have earned the respect of people outside the conference.  If not, my guess is you'll see the same types of things next year for whoever the MIAA playoff rep is.

Guilt by association then  :D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2008, 09:18:24 PM
Augie6:

Couldnt agree more.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 19, 2008, 10:04:05 PM
I have intentionally chosen to stay out of the fray about what people are posting about Trine.  However, it's time to weigh in.  My perspective may be somewhat different than most Trine supporters, but so be it.

I like flying under the radar.  I like being the underdog.  I like people assuming they can come in and walk all over us.  It's worked in our favor all year - why stop now?  Every post, every comment, every TV or radio interview, every poll in D3football.com - it's all fodder for the coaches to use to get the team fired up.  So, keep it coming.  Help build the fire in the bellies of our boys.

Those of us who know the coaches and the players already know what this team is capable of.  So what if no one outside of the Trine "village" respects our team?  The people that really count already respect you - who cares about everyone else.  Are you here to earn respect or to win a National Championship?  Stop worrying about people respecting you and get the job done on the field.  Let's start on Saturday by kicking some Wheaton butt!!

GO TRINE THUNDER!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2008, 12:23:44 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
As a Trine fan, here is what I have seen....How about a number of postings in the CCIW forum proclaiming big wins, and an easy road, for Wheaton.  The ESPN bracket coverage mentioned something for just about every team except Trine.  People picking Trine as the most likely upset of the top 8 seeds.  D3football.com placing Franklin ahead of Trine even though Trine beat them, and Trine also beat their common opponents by a larger margin than Franklin did.  Early on, the predictions of finishing middle of the conference in spite of the fact that Trine was returning about 19 of 21 starters (when they finished 6-4).  Maybe in some minds Trine has not done anything yet to deserve respect, but the lack of respect has not gone unnoticed either. 

In the two minutes I was given to talk about each bracket, I tried to spotlight as much as possible.

I didn't talk about St. John's, one of the most tradition-laden teams in Division III. So taking my not talking about Trine personally is rather silly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 20, 2008, 07:00:15 AM
All this talk about "lack of respect" is wasted effort.
I hope that Coach Land and the Trine Thunder are game planning and not wasting time putting up bulletin board info about lack of repsect.
I find when teams get caught up in what others say about them, they play emotional and try to make "BIG" plays instead of running the system and what got you there in the first place.

Believe me Trine needs no motivation to play Wheaton.
Wheaton is a successful proram that has had its way with the MIAA recently.
Trine will be fine if the defense comes to play like the Adrian game.
The defense is a aggresive pressure unit, with mulitple angles of attack.
This type of defense causes breakdowns and turnovers the key is to capitalize on these tunrovers, becuase when you apply the pressure defense you can also give up big plays with 1 on 1 coverage.

I expect a close game and hope Trine comes away with the win, I think the home field advantage is big for Trine. Trine has been on a good roll at home. I also believe Trine will be aggressive on the offensive end, I think Coach Lands Arena ball experience is reflected in the teams style of play.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2008, 12:58:40 PM
I was not trying to beat a dead horse, just answering SAC's question of where that sentiment comes from.  I explained how this fan felt.   :)

I am not trying to use this forum to "fire up the troops" or get locker-room material.  I am not a coach, and I trust that they know how to get the team ready.  They won't need me or a forum to motivate them.

I also agree 1000% with many that a playoff win or two or three will go a long ways towards bringing respect, more than anything else. 

I DO think that NOT mentioning Trine at all is rather silly, or dismissive, since you have a team that went from 0 to 2 to 6 to 10 wins, and earns a SECOND seed (even if you may disagree with that seeding).  But my skin is thicker now and I will get over it.   ;)

I promise to get off my soapbox (for the remainder of this season, anyway).    :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2008, 03:05:58 PM
Thanks Mr. Ypsi, you are most kind my friend.  Have to support the league's rep for sure!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2008, 03:15:57 PM
Just ask DePauw (and Wabash) about being an underdog after this last weekend. ;D ;)  Or we might ask Northwestern or Central Michigan aor Western Michigan or Appal State (i.e. last year) about that as well.  Anything can happen.

Anyway, people are always spouting about "how terrible this team is and how lousy that team is" when it comes to the playoffs.  For sure we know there are some weaker teams from some conferences, and while the odds are against these teams in the majority of situations, yet, again, one never knows what might happen on occasion.  Sometimes a "fluke" or miracle (or whatever term one wants to use) does happen.  IMO, any team that goes undefeated in their regular season deserves respect.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 20, 2008, 06:16:24 PM
Quote from: Augie6 on November 19, 2008, 08:25:30 PM
The only thing that will earn Trine (or any MIAA team) respect outside of their conference, is to win a playoff game.  When a conference hasn't won a playoff game since 1994 and hasn't been all that competitive in their most recent playoff appearances (7 first round losses since 2000 with an average score of 39-18) it's natural for most people to not give the conference's representative much of a chance in the playoffs.  The fact that they beat a good Franklin team this year is great, but let's not forget that the HCAC hasn't had much more success in the playoffs than the MIAA.  If Trine beats Wheaton this weekend, Trine and the MIAA will have earned the respect of people outside the conference.  If not, my guess is you'll see the same types of things next year for whoever the MIAA playoff rep is.

Very true.  Respect needs to be earned on the field.  Trine has had a great season and is in a good position to do just that. 

Quote from: LetItRain on November 19, 2008, 10:04:05 PM
GO TRINE THUNDER!!

Ditto.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2008, 12:51:25 PM
Best of luck to Trine tomorrow afternoon, go out there and get the win, show them the MIAA means business.  As long as Trine plays their game, they should have a great day tomorrow, get after the QB and play that solid brand of offense!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2008, 08:44:41 PM
There is no doubt that if Trine takes it to Wheaton, attacks them on offense and defense, and doesn't lay back, Trine will win.  They have worked too hard to let it end tomorrow!  Go TRINE THUNDER!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on November 22, 2008, 12:26:21 AM
Ok, I know I'm going to be the bad guy...but I have to be the realist and say it...Trine will not win tomorrows game.  Wheaton will beat Trine.  And yes I am a little bitter!    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 22, 2008, 06:57:17 AM
Uncle Rico,

Your post seems to indicate that because Trine has worked hard they should win. I think the Wheaton team has worked pretty hard too so what makes you think Trine has an advantage because of that? I am sure Trine is an excellent football team but Wheaton is no slouch.

Its going to take a lot more than hard work to win for either team today. Taking care of the football, executing, and the old adage of getting off blocks to make a tackle will rule the day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 22, 2008, 08:49:37 AM
good  luck trine today  get a win
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on November 22, 2008, 03:04:09 PM
Congrats to Trine on an outstanding season.  They played very well today. Better than most were giving them credit for...

The coaching staff has done an outstanding job building the program there.  Lots of very talented, young players...  Trine should be a force in the MIAA next year and I'm looking for them to break through an win a playoff game for the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 22, 2008, 05:02:06 PM
Thanks for your kind words, Mugsy.  Obviously many of us in the MIAA are disappointed with today's result.  The playoff drought has been long, but it will end.  The young and talented Trine players may yet have a chance to end it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2008, 07:39:36 PM
Congratulations to the Wheaton and you Wheaton fans for the first round win against Trine today.  I would also like to congratulate Trine's team and their fans for a very fine season.  Although the result for the MIAA was another first round loss in the NCAA playoffs, nonetheless, the game as a closer one than in recent years.  I would say a surprise somewhat in that (as had been previously mentioned by others) that Wheaton smashed Hope and Trine only beat Hope by a point.  Anyway, best of luck to Wheaton the rest of the way - they will, however, have to step it up a notch I believe to continue to advance.  They'll need to try and capture their early season momentum before the losses that set back their campaign a bit.

As to the Hope/Alma game today, I must say that it was a good game to watch.  Obviously, a disappointing loss for Alma.  I was impressed by their DB's and, of course, their excellent QB McGrady who had a fine day.  Their OL and DL lines were good as well and the coaching staff did a fine job and mixed it up and stayed positive.  Overall, though, it just wasn't their day as Hope returned to their much better form.  It was, indeed, Hope's day - running game and blocking went well; our kicking game has finally arrived, defense played much better.  Although there were still a few glitches in the secondary, they did have some great plays today and stopped some drives with INT's.  Good hard hitting on a snowy field, but a much more comfortable day for the game than many of us thought it was going to be (windless almost and sun came out).  A smaller crowd as expected, however, very loyal and boisterous support by both team's fans.  Overall, a nice positive way for Hope to rebound and end the season; coaching staff did a great job in keeping everyone positive and not dejected; by teaching this i.e. the perseverence and dedication from this season by the players is a good lesson for life, particularly as the seniors move on to the next step in life - i.e. the disappointing season for seniors at Hope and those at Alma in losing their last game.  Anyway, I would like to wish all of them the very best in their future endeavors and may eveyone reflect and cherish the good memories in their careers and this season, even among the disappointments.  Also, thanks to all the fans for supporting their teams and the enthusiasm and sharing on this board here among our colleagues/friends. 

We'll continue to follow the playoffs.  This is always an exciting time of the year, even though we know the season is nearing the end.

BTW, Grand Valley State defeated Ashland University in the second round of the DII playoffs today (in a rematch of their regular season game).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2008, 07:42:06 PM
I forgot to mention that I was shocked to see that St. Johns lost quite overwhelmingly today. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 22, 2008, 07:46:07 PM
Back from Angola. Although Trine did not win the game, they certainly could have. That has not been true of past MIAA playoff representatives. The type of athlete that is playing at Trine I have not seen from MIAA teams since the Albion teams of the late 80's and early 90's. I think they will win their share of playoff games. Trine's defensive front is as good as I have seen from most teams this year. They are big and physical. Pearson is a stud. 6 foot something 250 pds and he brings the lumber. He is an excellent player. Also the other LB's and Dline were very well coached and physical. Trine's db's are not great at pass coverage but they are very physical and well coached. If your offense had been more efficient and you were able to take advantage of the chances Wheaton gave Trine, they very easily could have prevailed today. If this Trine team is an indication of the type of football we will see from the MIAA rep going forward then the North Region will be a lot more competitive.

Congratulations on an excellent season. A great atmoshpere for a d3 game. Packed crowd, loud fans and band and the parachute guys before the game was insane. 4 guys dropping out of a plane from 3500 feet in subzero weather and they came down fast. Very cool.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: fc_alum_84 on November 22, 2008, 08:42:59 PM
Congrats to Trine on a great season 10-0 is tough and Trine won some tough games to get their. I was at the Trine/FC game and Trine took advantage of FC mistakes coupled with making big plays when they needed to be made and won the game.  That specific game had specific bearing on the seedings and sent FC on the road (we got the win today but we are still on the road as a result).

Trine's QB play was particularly memorable as he is a solid thrower and can run outside the pocket.  FC did not have an answer that afternoon
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2008, 09:00:40 PM
Just because all MIAA football teams are now done for the 2008 season, let's not all disappear from this board you guys.  I'd like to hear your comments/opinions on the further playoff games as they occur.  Also, don't forget that MIAA league selections will be forthcoming this week and I'm sure there will be some interesting comments and probable controversy as usual over some of those ::) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2008, 09:05:18 PM
I'd also like to put a "plug" i.e. a big thank you to some of the Hope College maintainence staff and maintainence sports staff (and our administration) on the great job they did for preparing the field at Holland Municipal Stadium today.  It is my understanding that the city did not (or was not able) to get the job entirely done and the Hope people "stepped up to the scrimmage line" to get the snow cleared on the lines, paint markings for that as well; portable heaters for the players; athletic training staff did a great job as usual, too.  Thanks to all the "behind the scenes" people.

Alma fans were a nice group to visit with as well.  As I mentioned, they along with our Hope fans were very, very vocal for a smaller crowd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Parker45 on November 22, 2008, 10:02:56 PM
I photographed the "thunder bowl" today. I wish the results had been better but us thunder fans can look forward to more good years to come with this talented young team.

Here is the link to my online gallery

http://hceimages.exposuremanager.com/ (http://hceimages.exposuremanager.com/)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 23, 2008, 10:51:02 AM
nice seasson trine to bad you could not beat wheaton
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2008, 08:24:27 PM
Any of you care to briefly 'throw in" any predictions and/or your own choices for ALL-MIAA selections at some of the positions before this week's meeting and vote?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 24, 2008, 07:44:41 AM
1st congrats to Trine for the great season.
I was hoping for a win, though it is 1 step at a time for the MIAA.
It was a good competitive game, and Trine represented the MIAA as competitive this time.

As far as post season awards I will have to review the stats, as that is what the votes are for not always the "best" players.

Will be tough to pick on the offensive side.  Some big numbers posted by several players.  I expect trine and Adrian will gather quite a few, good years and some big numbers. Alma QB, and Kazoo WR had some sick numbers as well.

Good stuff guys lets try to keep this rolling during the off season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 24, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
When does the MIAA meet to choose the all-conference players?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2008, 02:16:48 PM
Today, it seems.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2008, 04:14:59 PM
I believe Pat is right.  In many years, they have usually met on the Thursday after the last regular season weekend, although I think they have moved that up to the Monday after the past couple of years or at least last year for one time.  Of course, it was disrupted this year due postponed Hope/Alma game; a delay to allow for everyone to have a "fair" and equal chance (as much as possible) for the accalodes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2008, 10:00:51 AM
All MIAA Honors....

http://www.miaa.org/fb/index.html

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 25, 2008, 10:01:46 AM
MIAA all conference picks are out

Offensive Most Valuable Player
Troy Niblock, Adrian
(senior from White Pigeon/White Pigeon HS)


Defensive Most Valuable Player
Courtney Pearson, Trine (senior from Fort Wayne, Ind./South Side HS)

Pete Schmidt Memorial Award
Buddy Scarborough, Alma (senior from Romeo/Romeo HS)


First Team All-MIAA Offense
QB -Eric Watt, Trine* (sophomore from Kentland, Ind./South Newton HS)
RB-Troy Niblock, Adrian** (senior from White Pigeon/White Pigeon HS)
RB-Pat Clasgens, Olivet** (junior from Livonia/Stevenson HS)
RB-Mikael Glidden, Trine* (senior from Indianapolis, Ind./Monrovia HS)
WR –Andrew Schaar, Alma* (sophomore from DeWitt/DeWitt HS)
WR-Jimmy Semelsberger, Kalamazoo* (junior from Bloomfield Hills/Lahser HS)
WR - Lemar Qualls, Trine* (freshman from Indianapolis, Ind./Arlington HS)
OL-John Ahearn, Adrian* (senior from Tecumseh/Tecumseh HS)
OL-James Vinston, Adrian* (senior from Ypsilanti/Ypsilanti HS)
OL-Cameron Reichow, Albion* (junior from Albion/Albion HS)
OL-Erik Ladomersky, Hope*** (senior from Grandville/Grandville HS)
OL-James Greenlee, Trine* (junior from Columbus, Ind./North HS)
TE-Troy Hirschy, Trine* (senior from Monroe, Ind./Adams Central HS)

First Team All-MIAA Defense
DL-Gino Panza, Adrian* (junior from Monroe/Jefferson HS)
DL-Austin Rodgers, Albion* (sophomore from Dexter/Chelsea HS)
DL-Erik Walker, Trine* (junior from Grand Rapids/Ottawa Hills HS)
DL-Justin Judd, Adrian* (sophomore from Grosse Ile/Grosse Ile HS)
LB-Courtney Pearson, Trine** (senior from Fort Wayne, Ind./South Side HS)
LB-Hakeem Yakubu, Olivet** (junior from Kalamazoo/Central HS)
LB-Harry Bailey, Adrian* (senior from Hudson/Hudson HS)
LB-Joe Curtis, Trine* (senior from Walkerton, Ind./John Glenn HS)
DB-Christon Calley, Adrian* (senior from Grosse Pointe Woods/Warren Lincoln HS)
DB-Steve Charon, Kzoo* (senior from Ionia/Ionia HS)
DB-Michael Terranova, Olivet** (senior from Lansing/Catholic Central HS)
DB-Corrie Latta, Trine** (senior from Battle Creek/Delton-Kellogg HS)

First Team All-MIAA Specialists
P-Ryan Patten, Olivet**(junior from Charlotte/Charlotte HS)
K-Jeremy Howard, Trine* (sophomore from Elkhart, Ind./Concord HS)
Return Specialist-Jared Edwards, Adrian* (freshman from Bellbrook, Ohio/Bellbrook HS)
* - Number of years All-MIAA First Team

Second Team All-MIAA Offense
QB-Mackenzie McGrady, Alma (junior from Portland/Portland HS)
RB-Brandon Cooley, Adrian (senior from Adrian/Adrian HS)
RB-Aaron Dolkowski, Albion (freshman from Dearborn Heights/Dearborn Divine Child HS)
RB-Tyler Periard, Alma (junior from Birch Run/Birch Run HS)
WR-Kyle Dietrich, Hope (sophomore from Gobles/Gobles HS)
WR-Joey Beehler, Adrian (junior from Wakarusa, Ind./Penn HS)
WR-Sam Hartman, Trine (senior from Fort Wayne, Ind./Bishop Dwenger HS)
WR-Aaron Baker, Albion (senior from Constantine/Constantine HS)
TE-David DeBoer, Hope (junior from Grosse Pointe/South HS)
OL-Jared Andrzejewski, Kalamazoo (junior from Saint Johns/Saint Johns HS)
OL-Bryce Sims, Trine (sophomore from Columbia City, Ind./Columbia City HS)
OL-Kelly Durr, Alma (senior from Bad Axe/Bad Axe HS)
OL-Mike Fowler, Trine (senior from Saint Johns, Ind./Lake Central HS)

Second Team All-MIAA Defense
DB-Travis Martin, Alma (senior from Fennville/Fennville HS)
DB-Alex Hill, Olivet (senior from Berrien Springs/Berrien Springs HS)
DB-Ryan Rickaby, Trine (freshman from Adrian/Adrian HS)
DB-Aaron Selking, Trine (sophomore from Decatur, Ind./Adams Central HS)
DL-John Kinville, Adrian (junior from Northville/Detroit Catholic Central HS)
DL-Jeremy Green, Albion (sophomore from Chattanooga, Tenn./The McCallie School)
DL-Buddy Scarborough, Alma (senior from Romeo/Romeo HS)
DL-Chris Eichman, Trine (sophomore from Yoder, Ind./Carroll HS)
LB-Derek Jackson, Albion (sophomore from Allegan/Gobles HS)
LB-Zach Comer, Alma (senior from Alma/Alma HS)
LB-Bobby Watson, Adrian (senior from South Lyon/South Lyon HS)
LB-Chris Batterbee, Hope (junior from Gladwin/Gladwin HS)

Second Team All-MIAA Specialists
P-Nathan Fitzsimmons, Trine (senior from Warsaw, Ind./Warsaw HS)
K-Justin Warner, Adrian (junior from Paw Paw/Paw Paw HS)
Return specialist-Kyle Dietrich, Hope (sophomore from Gobles/Gobles HS)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flea on November 27, 2008, 01:55:25 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 22, 2008, 09:00:40 PM
Just because all MIAA football teams are now done for the 2008 season, let's not all disappear from this board you guys. ::) ;)

Anyone know of any two-sport athletes (one being football)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cardinals1226 on November 27, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: Flea on November 27, 2008, 01:55:25 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 22, 2008, 09:00:40 PM
Just because all MIAA football teams are now done for the 2008 season, let's not all disappear from this board you guys. ::) ;)

Anyone know of any two-sport athletes (one being football)?

For Tri-State, the only one I know of is Jeremy Howard. He plays baseball as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 28, 2008, 05:45:38 PM
Here is a few of the Albion Football players whom also play another sport.

Charles Green LB Track and Field
Jeremy Green LB Track and Field
Austin Rodgers DL Track and Field
Nicholas Salley DL Track and Field

Interesting they are all DL or LB on Football

Brad Polnasek Baseball  WR / Pitcher

Looks like there will be some cold, wet games this weekend.
The weather can really change the picture of a game in favor of the strong running teams, that is why going strictly on records is not always the best way to predict a winner.

Wow was last weekend ugly for Football around this state.
The Lions 0-2 this week both Mercy rule games
MSU, Uof M, CMU, and MIAA representative Trine all lost last weekend in big games for each team.





Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
RE:  MIAA football players that participate in two sports:

Two that come to mind (without checking the full rosters right now) are:

Nick Glass of Olivet- football (DB) and wrestling

Jon Rodriquez of Hope - football (RB) and track
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on November 29, 2008, 12:11:36 PM
Sean Misko (starting FB) and wrestling. Sean will be in the starting lineup very soon for wrestling.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 30, 2008, 06:00:22 PM
Found this on the Hope website this morning...........

Football Alumni Guide Teams to State Titles
Hope football alumni have coached Michigan high school football teams to unprecedented success this year. Three Hope alumni are the head coach of teams that captured Michigan state high school championships this past Thanksgiving weekend and another 11 alumni are members on coaching staffs of state championship teams. These 14 Hope alumni were on the staffs of six state championship teams.

Peter Stuursma '93 is head coach at East Grand Rapids High School. His team won a third straight Division 3 state championship.
Pat Collins '97 guided Montague High School to the Division 6 state championship in his fifth season as head coach.
Greg Vaughan '99 led Traverse City St. Francis High School to the Division 7 state championship in his first season as head coach.

Alumni on the staffs of state championship teams include: Joe Schwander '07 and Randy VanderVeen '75, Division 1 Rockford HS; Joe Cossey '89, Division 2 Muskegon HS; Matt Putnam '99 and Bill Kowal '95, Division 3 East Grand Rapids HS; Josh Rumpsa '04, Josh DeHaan '06, and Matt Workman '03, Division 4 Holland Christian HS; Cary Harger '94 and Jim Smith '96, Division 5 Muskegon Oak Ridge HS; and Jay Mulder, Division 6 Montague HS.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 30, 2008, 06:08:01 PM
sac:
Thanks for that great piece of research info.  Quite impressive for sure.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2008, 12:43:14 AM
Quote from: D306 on November 28, 2008, 05:45:38 PM
Wow was last weekend ugly for Football around this state.
The Lions 0-2 this week both Mercy rule games
MSU, Uof M, CMU, and MIAA representative Trine all lost last weekend in big games for each team.

Depends on which part of the state you root for! ;)

Andy Schmitt broke the all-time NCAA record with 58 completions, while Tyler Jones tied the all-time NCAA record with 23 receptions - and already-fired HC Jeff Genyk got 25% of his wins against CMU, finishing at 16-42 over five years.  If EMU/CMU were UM/OSU, Butch Jones would be John Cooper! ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 01, 2008, 01:29:17 PM
Ypsi

Your comment is true though based on the context and time that I wrote my comments I was referring to CMU losing to Ball State after winning several in a row to have a very solid record.
The loss to EMU just was another kick in the butt, and after my comments were posted.

I would like to see EMU return to some soild football, in my opinion they will need some help to get there. Alot of the MAC is on a growth spurt.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 01, 2008, 04:30:56 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 01, 2008, 01:29:17 PM
Ypsi

Your comment is true though based on the context and time that I wrote my comments I was referring to CMU losing to Ball State after winning several in a row to have a very solid record.
The loss to EMU just was another kick in the butt, and after my comments were posted.

I would like to see EMU return to some soild football, in my opinion they will need some help to get there. Alot of the MAC is on a growth spurt.


Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2008, 12:43:14 AM
Quote from: D306 on November 28, 2008, 05:45:38 PM
Wow was last weekend ugly for Football around this state.
The Lions 0-2 this week both Mercy rule games
MSU, Uof M, CMU, and MIAA representative Trine all lost last weekend in big games for each team.

Depends on which part of the state you root for! ;)

Andy Schmitt broke the all-time NCAA record with 58 completions, while Tyler Jones tied the all-time NCAA record with 23 receptions - and already-fired HC Jeff Genyk got 25% of his wins against CMU, finishing at 16-42 over five years.  If EMU/CMU were UM/OSU, Butch Jones would be John Cooper! ;D



Since we're talking about MAC football right now (and not DIII/MIAA, which is certainly okay ;)), I will jump in here with a few comments on this EMU/CMU aspect.  Ypsi and I have had quite a few discussions regarding EMU's program, so I won't reiterate those here.  Like you D306, I also would like to see EMU's program return to some solid football and I really believe they can do it (just like many of the other "similar" programs I always use as examples concerning the same task regardless of level i.e. Northwestern, Olivet (MI), and others; heck, even Buffalo and Temple are improving, and look at Wake).  A tough goal, however, not impossible with the right people and it appears EMU's president and AD have a "new" commitment to that end - at least it appears that way from their recent comments upon Genyk's dismissal.

One aspect I will add, however, is that even though I had some friends play at Central Michigan and it is good to see that program do well, I still have a "craw" in for them when they were the "ringleaders" in attempting to get EMU thrown out of the MAC back in the 1980's.  That was dispicable and no reason for it.  While those responsible are essentially gone from the school (having retired, left or whatever), still that reputation lingers.  As such, I was glad to see back then when EMU kicked CMU's tail all the way and won the MAC and California Bowl back in '88 I believe.  While they have fallen a long way from that, again, I think with the now parity in college football at all levels, EMU can make a respectable showing.  Northwestern did it and is doing it and some people have been trying to kick them out of the Big Ten for decades.  I, for one, am glad they've stayed and kicked some others tails a times in the process, although don't tell that to U of Mich fans (of which I'm one also since my dad was an alum and my nephew attends there, aside from being a Northwestern fan as well  ;D)   Anyway, we'll see what happens with EMU.

Not much to report on the MIAA right now, unless you are a basketball fan! :D  But we'll have to get some Stagg Bowl discussion going on the board here.  We can't just "fade away" now friends. ::) ??? ;) ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2008, 05:23:51 PM
While probably possible to at least occasionally be good, EMU has some huge obstacles.  Probably number one on the list is sitting 7 miles from the Big House - they are totally overshadowed even in their own home town.  And it may take a miracle fo them to even retain d1A status, due to the attendance requirement.  They dodged the bullet the first time from a massive PR campaign (and the purchase of thousands of tickets by business sponsors - something they cannot count on too often).  The second time they dodged the bullet through outright fraud: attendance numbers were proven to have been inflated by 50-300%.  I'm not sure how they can survive a third time.  Against Central (Central!) they eliminated ticket prices (i.e., FREE admission to all) and had attendance of 5500, about half of whom were cheering for CMU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 01, 2008, 06:23:15 PM
I find it odd that EMU only has about 25 kids from the Detroit area on their roster.  Not many PSL kids either, most are suburban kids.

If you buy into recruiting rankings, one site has their last 4 classes as

05--103 (this yr's Sr's)
06--104
07--85
08--85

WMU and CMU weren't ranked much higher. 

A year or 3 in what used to be I-AA might do them some good.  The closest 1AA around I can think of is Youngstown.

PS. They've sucked since they dropped the 'Hurons'. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 01, 2008, 07:02:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2008, 05:23:51 PM
While probably possible to at least occasionally be good, EMU has some huge obstacles.  Probably number one on the list is sitting 7 miles from the Big House - they are totally overshadowed even in their own home town.  And it may take a miracle fo them to even retain d1A status, due to the attendance requirement.  They dodged the bullet the first time from a massive PR campaign (and the purchase of thousands of tickets by business sponsors - something they cannot count on too often).  The second time they dodged the bullet through outright fraud: attendance numbers were proven to have been inflated by 50-300%.  I'm not sure how they can survive a third time.  Against Central (Central!) they eliminated ticket prices (i.e., FREE admission to all) and had attendance of 5500, about half of whom were cheering for CMU.

Let's just blame it on Monihan for foresaking his Domino's roots in Ypsilanti, and moving his complex to an agrarian, but Ann Arbor/ Dixboro address.  ;)

Quote from: sac on December 01, 2008, 06:23:15 PM


PS. They've sucked since they dropped the 'Hurons'. ;)

Good Point... in light of the Miami sellout (they'll aways be the Redskins to this curmudgeon), I wonder how Central has managed to avoid the political correctness?  Perhaps Eastern can take a similar stance and claim to be named for the river in town as well?  ;D  Former D3 - which friends of yours played ball in MP?  I had a bunch of the 1975ers (Szymarek, Neumann, Riordan, Smallbone, and Kovaleski among others post eligibility) playing rugby much to Kramer and Deromedi's chagrin in that timeframe/warp.  Any inane post to help y'all reach 200.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2008, 07:49:25 PM
Both the Hurons (now mostly in Oklahoma) and the Wyandottes (same tribe, but in Canada) wanted the Huron name retained (which the NCAA has accepted for specific tribal names, such as the Chippewas).  It was the administration (especially detested former President Shelton) who caved to pressure from 'generic' Indian activists and their misguided non-Indian allies, who apparently felt that the Hurons were too simple-minded to know that they should be offended.  Personally, I was and will always be a 'Huron'.  (And I'm hardly alone: while EMU refuses to officially recognize its existence, by far the largest single alumni group is the "Once a Huron, Always a Huron" chapter.)

I find it especially galling that the Huron emblem was a very respectful (and accurate) representation of Huron dress, while the Eagle (a bird sacred to many Native American cultures) is a ridiculous cartoon character (maybe we can get PETA or the Audubon Society to protest the slur ;)).  Not to mention that 'Huron' was unique, while there must be several hundred (if not thousands of) 'Eagles'.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 01, 2008, 09:52:46 PM
Ypsi, cave2, and sac:

+k for all you guys!  Great commentary all.  Indeed, I've always been p.o.'d about that nickname insane, ludicrous and very aptly desicribed misguided (by Ypsi) arguement for changing it.  Those idiots sure did cave in; lest anyone call me a racist, I have Native American direct lineage (albeit small about 5%).  That nickname circus business has been another "craw" with me regarding EMU.

Anyway, all that being said, Ypsi brings up some valid concerns.  Duely pointed out is the $ for ticket buyouts by corporations is most likely gone give the current economic situation.  BTW, I was shocked to learn that the attendance for the EMU/CMU game was only 5500 - that is as much as we get at the big MIAA games :).  While I was aware (again thanks to Ypsi ;)) that many of the tickets were free admission, that is still shocking.  Particulary when they drew well over 25,000 the same year that Mich Tech and Grand Valley State played there and drew 51,000 about 3 years ago or so.

On the other hand, I would be disappointed if they dropped to the former DIAA (i.e. now FCS) status and if they did, as I mentioned before IMO and albeit that some of the MAC schools have had better success/attendance (but in reality not up the the expectations of "true" DI i.e. FBC level) then the entire MAC should really be in that category.  It will be interesting to see who they get for the next head coach.  We'll ask our friend Mr. Ypsi for his astute sports commentary on that when it happens. :)

Also, cave2, I will answer your question in the post which will immediately follow this one!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 01, 2008, 09:59:22 PM
cave2:

Again, good comments re: EMU.  Moreover, indeed, thanks for your help in getting us to that #200! :)  We need all the help we can get! ;D

My friends were Rykulski, Verrell and Knickerbocker.  I know the first two more, as the first name was a high school teammate of mine (Carman i.e. now Carman-Ainsworth) and still a longtime friend of mine; the other two we played against at our rival high school (Swartz Creek), Verell roomed with Rykulski one year I believe, then Verell was an assistant principal at our daughter's high school here.  Knick was again a teammate of Verrell's in h.s. however, admittedly, I only knew of him peripherally via the other two.  Small world and since you were from S.C as I recall (or had relatives there??).   

Anyway, I hope that you and your family had a nice Georgia Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 02, 2008, 07:29:26 AM
EMU has been scuffling with it's image and reputation for several years now.
The name change was an insult to all former Huron's and the Tribe itself.
The change is and was an example of the political correct idiots in Academia.
The Presidential nightmare of a few years ago and the high profile death recently have all damaged the EMU reputation.
EMU has always been a power house in training our teachers and I am confident in saying anyone who attended school in Michigan has had at least 1 if not more EMU educated teachers in their life.

The college needs a high level influx of professional marketing, the programs offered are strong the educational value is under rated by so many presently.
The University also needs to define itself as to the student profile it desires, mixed message recently.

The growth of GVSU, CMU, UT, and WMU have hurt EMU status and capability to draw students and athletes. I also believe the energy around the east side of the state is poor presently the westside has a better vibe. This comes from someone whom lives in the Detroit area and who also owns property (and lived for 5 years)on the westside of the state.

I know so many whom attended EMU over the years the sad thing is they all are from "back in the day". Of my 3 kids circle of friends or the other students whose famlilies were active in PTO, Sports, Quiz Bowls, whom graduated recently only 1 attended EMU or even had them on the list of possibles.  He choose EMU for a Baseball Scholarship. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 02, 2008, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: D306 on December 02, 2008, 07:29:26 AM
EMU has been scuffling with it's image and reputation for several years now.
The name change was an insult to all former Huron's and the Tribe itself.
The change is and was an example of the political correct idiots in Academia.
The Presidential nightmare of a few years ago and the high profile death recently have all damaged the EMU reputation.
EMU has always been a power house in training our teachers and I am confident in saying anyone who attended school in Michigan has had at least 1 if not more EMU educated teachers in their life.

The college needs a high level influx of professional marketing, the programs offered are strong the educational value is under rated by so many presently.
The University also needs to define itself as to the student profile it desires, mixed message recently.

The growth of GVSU, CMU, UT, and WMU have hurt EMU status and capability to draw students and athletes. I also believe the energy around the east side of the state is poor presently the westside has a better vibe. This comes from someone whom lives in the Detroit area and who also owns property (and lived for 5 years)on the westside of the state.

I know so many whom attended EMU over the years the sad thing is they all are from "back in the day". Of my 3 kids circle of friends or the other students whose famlilies were active in PTO, Sports, Quiz Bowls, whom graduated recently only 1 attended EMU or even had them on the list of possibles.  He choose EMU for a Baseball Scholarship. 


Would have to agree, regarding the competition for both students and athletes in Michigan, especially with competitive emergence of DII schools in the GLIAC.  If there is any good news for EMU and the MAC, the Amstutz-less Toodleedoo situation and the more volatile circumstance at BG this past weekend might even up the playing field a bit.  :o  Begs into question, which one is bigger - Charlie Weis, Tom Amstutz, or Ray Majerus  ???

According to the Toledo rag, quite a few of the early commitments are taking a "wait and see" after Gregg's, post UT meltdown about attendance/ fair-weather fans (though I would agree that the traditional, mid-October exchange between the Glass Bowl and Doyt Perry was preferable to the ESPN scheduling dictates).  ;)

Thanksgiving in Toledo (if there is such a thing  ;D) should have remained commited to the HS "Shoe Bowl" played at UT.  Wow - memory flashback!  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2008, 04:48:49 PM
Again, great comments guys (and +karma for you too D306 :)).  I'll bet Mr. Ypsi can't believe (?understand ???) why all this talk about EMU?!!! (Why not since it is now "off-season" for the MIAA football teams and besides, talking about the DIII playoffs, we need these other topics so we can reach that great plateau of 200 pages of posts ::)).  Anyway, I don't want to "beat a dead horse" but I think we're all on the same mindset on the EMU situation and what must (should be) done for the football program.  I'm sure we'll revisit this with some comments when they select the new head coach in the near future.  But for now, I'll try to "let it rest" ;D.

While we know that anything can happen in the DIII playoffs and that perhaps it is fairly apparent who will probably (or rather should) win this weekend, what are your predictions as to the winners of this next round in the playoffs?  My predictions are Mt. Union, Wheaton, UW-W and MHB.  Nothing against Wheaton, but it would be neat to see Franklin continue their season, although I think Wheaton would have a better chance against Mount Union.  Warburg is having a great season, however, I think that UW-W is just too strong (and has the experience edge as far as being in the playoffs and to the Stagg's "big show" obviously).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 05, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
Mount Union they are a machine
UW-W staying strong.
Wheaton getting hot at the right time 
MHB do not know much about this game so I am taking a guess ( like the rest are'nt as well LOL ;D)

OK don't shot me, just a rumor that I did not start but will ask on the site because this site is certainly more accurate and civil then were I read this rumor.

Olivet leaving the MIAA after 09 season. Not sure I  believe that and then what happens to the AQ if this rumor is true?
The rumor is getting some comments regarding the conference they may join. I hope this is not true, Olivet is a long standing College and in the heart of the conference landscape why leave?


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 05, 2008, 09:32:08 AM
D306:

I know not whether Olivet is leaving the conference after the 09 season or not, but I will say this.  If there was a team leaving, especially a team with such a long standing tradition in the MIAA, it would not be able to be kept as a secret of this level for this long.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 05, 2008, 12:55:05 PM
I cannot imagine Olivet even contemplating leaving the MIAA.  They are a charter member and, as mentioned, have had an integral part of the history of the league.  While they have struggled at times over those 120 years, they have made great strides in both the athletics and academic programs.  I don't mean this as a negative, yet realistically, they have a difficult time even winning in the MIAA, so I'm not sure why they would contemplate leaving for another conference.  The only one I can think ("NCAA wise") that would even be remotely a reasonable choice for them would be the HCAC, however, think of the further disadvantages of that i.e. even more travel costs than it is for the MIAA schools which are within 2 hours drive for most.  I don't see Olivet's chances at winning in that conference any more than in the MIAA.

Not chastizing you at all D306, but where did you hear that rumor?  If I was a betting man (which I'm not ;)) I would venture a guess that it might have come from the same venues as that Kazoo rumor a year or two ago that they were going to drop football (such as the M-line - which has about as much credibility and character as Barney Frank, or O.J. Simpson or O.J. Simpson or Harry Reid or a combination of all of them ;D :D :) :o).  Anyway, like DAWG said, I would hate to see them leave and actually would be very disappointed and crushed.  I will try to check with my league sources on any credibility of this rumor and will get back with you guys on this once I've done some "sleuth" work.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 05, 2008, 02:04:02 PM
D3DB

You are correct I read it on M-Live which I concur is not a very reliable source or site.

That is why I asked and prefaced my comments the way I did.
I can not imagine Olivet moving on from the MIAA.

The question I was more concerned with was what would happen IF the  MIAA lost a member.
Would the size decrease automatically drop the MIAA out of the AQ for football playoffs?

Hey you know the rumors fly after and just before the season.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2008, 02:36:32 PM
A conference has a two-year grace period to get back up to seven teams in a particular sport once it falls below that threshold.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 05, 2008, 05:24:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2008, 02:36:32 PM
A conference has a two-year grace period to get back up to seven teams in a particular sport once it falls below that threshold.

Picture a scene at the Calvin College Presidents house, a dark cold winter evening.  Snow slowly gathering in piles.  Twelve dark figures trudge towards the door.

ding dong.

"Why its the other six presidents and six athletic directors of the MIAA, come in gentlemen.  So what would you like to discuss............"




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 05, 2008, 10:02:41 PM
Pat

thats why "your the man" and I posted on this site to ask the question.
I knew we would get an answer, and not alot of stupid talk.

SAC

LOL you are very right about that, or the MIAA goes a calling to Hillsdale to ask them to come back to the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 06, 2008, 12:38:41 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 05, 2008, 10:02:41 PM

LOL you are very right about that, or the MIAA goes a calling to Hillsdale to ask them to come back to the MIAA.

That, I can assure you will never happen.

Honestly if Olivet did leave the MIAA would be in quite a pickle.  There aren't any D3 independants around and to my knowledge none of the NAIA's have applied for NCAA membership.  I've heard a couple rumors that 2 or 3 Michigan NAIA's have explored the possibility, but none play football.  So they'd have to start from scratch.

Seems like the options would be

1)  Convince Calvin to explore their manhood and discontinue their medievel study hall philosophy.

2)  Invite Finladia to start a football program and become a part-time member ala Wisc-Lutheran and endure playing in 12 feet of snow in late October (not likely to happen, the Finlandia part, the snow part happens.)

3)  An NAIA program in Michigan jumps to D3 and starts a football program.  Seems the most logical

4)  Very far fetched but combine with another conference for football, leaving the current MIAA as a division and have a championship game

5)  punt
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2008, 01:35:05 PM
In further follow-up discussion: 

1)  It has been discussed on here quite extensively in the past, and from our sources (including the "powers that be", Calvin will never add football to their athletic programs, at least not in our lifetimes.  Strange as it may seem, nor do I understand that line of reasoning nor believe in it, unfortunately, that's just the way it is.

2) I agree with you - no way Hillsdale will return to the MIAA and DIII.  They've done decent in DII in the GLIAC and are more than comfortable staying there.  They have a unique situation as compared to the the other DII universities in that league.

3) I also agree that the most logical aspect would be for one of the Michigan NAIA schools to go NCAA DIII and establish a football program.  It can be done and probably much more easier than some people may think, including the $.  IMO, most logical choices would be Spring Arbor or Aquinas or perhaps even Concordia (Ann Arbor).  Not sure a school like Lawrence Tech would be interested in bringing back football; U of Detroit would be great, but they are DI so that is not a possibility.  Finlandia, while that might be great, highly doubtful.  Now, on the other hand, a real crazy idea would be for Grand Rapids Community College to become a 4 year institution - they already have a football team - but, some might question the academia qualifications in comparing these to the other MIAA schools.  If Nazareth College was still around, the Moles would have been a potential idea, but they would have had to start a football program ;D (can you imagine the jokes about the mascots in rivalries with our MIAA schools with that one? ??? ::) ;D).

What about Taylor (IN) NAIA?  Other NAIA schools down that way (St. Francis, etc) seem to be comfortable in that mode.

Final wild idea - anyone for bringing back Benton Harbor College's football team from the turn of the century? ;D (oh that is basically still in existance as Lake Michigan College ;))

4) Although the MIAA has brough in non-Michigan colleges in the past decade and 1/2, no way would they merge with another conference - I just don't see that ever happening.  They would somehow go to great lengths I believe to get some type of deal like an affiliate if possible as they did before and/or work like crazy to convince some school to start a program (if that's even possible).  If they were not able to accomplish either of those, then I think they would just go the route of Pool C and try to take the chances (IMO, obviously not what we would prefer and we might never see the playoffs the way we've been playing in recent years ;D).

Bottom line is for all this "Olivet leaving rumor" to be unfounded, which I think (and hope) it is.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2008, 02:13:16 PM
Hey, how about EMU for the MIAA? ;D

Barring a miracle, one of these days they ARE gonna get the boot from div1A for lack of attendance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 06, 2008, 11:27:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2008, 02:13:16 PM
Hey, how about EMU for the MIAA? ;D

Barring a miracle, one of these days they ARE gonna get the boot from div1A for lack of attendance.

Michigan Normal (now EMU) was a member of the MIAA from 1892-1926.  They overlapped with Michigan State (then Agricultural) 1888-1907.

I don't believe Hope ever played EMU in football, they had a few games with Western State Normal (WMU), and Mt Pleasant Normal (CMU) in the teens and 20's.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 07, 2008, 07:01:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2008, 02:13:16 PM
Hey, how about EMU for the MIAA? ;D

Barring a miracle, one of these days they ARE gonna get the boot from div1A for lack of attendance.

I know you were just joking, Ypsi.  I would just add, however, that EMU would have to be a FCS (formerdly DIAA) independent or join another FCS/D1AA conference like the Pioneer League for football since they would still be D1 in all other sports.  I don't see them dropping football, but if they do get the boot for lack of attendance, they'll have to do one of those other options.  I do think, though, that if EMU got the boot, most of the other MAC schools should as well because they don't always get the required 17,000 per game either.  Heck, the MAC Championship game this past Friday two nights ago between a very good (albeit previously unbeaten) Ball State team and Buffalo only drew just over 12,000 people.  IMO, MAC teams should really be in the FCS classification.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 07, 2008, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: sac on December 06, 2008, 11:27:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2008, 02:13:16 PM
Hey, how about EMU for the MIAA? ;D

Barring a miracle, one of these days they ARE gonna get the boot from div1A for lack of attendance.

Michigan Normal (now EMU) was a member of the MIAA from 1892-1926.  They overlapped with Michigan State (then Agricultural) 1888-1907.

I don't believe Hope ever played EMU in football, they had a few games with Western State Normal (WMU), and Mt Pleasant Normal (CMU) in the teens and 20's.

sac:

Hope has indeed played Eastern Michigan in football.  EMU was originally known as Ypsilanti Normal School and/or Michigan Normal School as you mentioned.  Hope played EMU in the following years:

1935, 1937, 1941, 1946-1955, 1957 and 1958.

The 1935 game as a 7-7 tie. Hope's record against EMU is 5-7-2.

Besides, EMU, WMU and CMU, of other current DI football schools, Hope has also played Bowling Green (1930, a 19-0 loss), Eastern Illinois (1962, 1963, both wins 26-7 and 15-6 respectively).  They've also played Wayne State, Northern Michigan, and U of Detroit (which dropped football in the early 1960's).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GrizPride on December 07, 2008, 10:22:20 PM
As a new poster, Id like to congratulate the Trine Thunder on a great season!  They were an excellent team this year and I was glad I was able to compete against them earlier this year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2008, 07:06:11 AM
GrizPride...

Congrats on a super season this year.  Big wins against Otterbein and North Central.  As a Trine Thunder fan, it is too bad our teams could not have met again in the playoffs!  We both caught a Wheaton team that caught fire at just the right time, it seems.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GrizPride on December 09, 2008, 09:45:04 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2008, 07:06:11 AM
GrizPride...

Congrats on a super season this year.  Big wins against Otterbein and North Central.  As a Trine Thunder fan, it is too bad our teams could not have met again in the playoffs!  We both caught a Wheaton team that caught fire at just the right time, it seems.   :)

Thanks Uncle Rico, Wheaton has just caught some serious fire havent they?  Yes,  I was really hoping to get another shot at Trine up at Angola, but oh well.  Both of us had some great seasons this year.  Good luck to Trine next year! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2008, 06:28:35 PM
Congratulations to Coach Matt Land of Trine, selected as the North Regions Coach of the Year by D3.Com, and Courtney Pearson, who is a 1st team LB! 

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2008, 11:13:28 PM
Okay you guys, return from your "posting hiatus" and make some predictions.  While I would like to see Wheaton pull the upset, I think that it will most likely result in the Stagg Bowl this year having the same two teams as last year i.e. Mount Union vs. UWis-Whitwater.  What say 'ye?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2008, 12:47:25 AM
Since 90+% of the D3 world does NOT want MUC-UWW, Episode IV, and since I'll root for Wheaton but don't much cotton to their chances, I'm going for MUC-UMHB in the Stagg.

Which would work out well, since that was my d3.football pickems, and I'm currently in a multi-way tie for 38th (out of 11 hundred-something).  Maybe I can finish in the top 20! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 12, 2008, 10:18:42 AM
Ypsi

You are right I would like to have 2 new contestants in the Championship game.

That said I will say it will be a repeat. MUC vs. UW

I would like to see Wheaton win VS. MUC how many years have they hit the roadblock known as MUC.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2008, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 12, 2008, 10:18:42 AM
Ypsi

You are right I would like to have 2 new contestants in the Championship game.

That said I will say it will be a repeat. MUC vs. UW

I would like to see Wheaton win VS. MUC how many years have they hit the roadblock known as MUC.



In the modern playoffs, Wheaton is 9-0 against everyone else, 0-5 in Alliance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2008, 05:29:53 PM
As most everyone expected, Mount Union and UW-W will return to the Stagg Bowl again this year.  Quite incredible that this will be the fourth year in a row.  While both teams are excellent, I sense that Mount Union will regain the top spot and win yet another national football championship.  Then again, as always, we never know what might happen and we might just be surprised. 

Speaking of championship NCAA football, it must be very frustrating for NW Missouri State who just lost for the fourth straight year in the NCAA DII National Championship game this afternoon.  While Univ of Minn-Duluth deserved the win the game, one can sense how the NWMS players must feel about being "the Buffalo Bills of DII".  Unfortunately, that's just the way it goes sometimes.  And who would have thought that Grand Valley would lose in the playoffs this year also?...

FCS semi-finals going on this afternoon Richmond @ Northern Iowa in the UNI-Dome (ouch, that old style turf there needs to be replaced for sure); and I thought perhaps Delaware won the other game, but not sure at the moment - I could be wrong. 

Anyone making the trip to the Stagg Bowl next weekend?  If you've never been, you have missed a great experience.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 15, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
Is there a location that has the 2009 schedules for the MIAA
I do not see it on teams websites?
Possibly not all teams have the schedule complete though I would think most would.

OK pretty general question but I am looking for a way to get the MIAA site to 200 pages before Christmas ;D



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DutchDad on December 16, 2008, 09:32:44 AM
I don't know about the other schools, but Hope's future schedules are posted here:

http://www.hope.edu/athletics/fb/future.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2008, 12:50:09 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 15, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
Is there a location that has the 2009 schedules for the MIAA
I do not see it on teams websites?
Possibly not all teams have the schedule complete though I would think most would.

OK pretty general question but I am looking for a way to get the MIAA site to 200 pages before Christmas ;D





Suggestions to try to get to Page 200:

How about talking about your favorite MIAA one-time underdog FB team that made good? (be it for just one year, or the beginning of a rise to being a perennial power) (My example of this --before WLC left the MIAA--is Tri-State/Trine. I remember the Thunder upsetting Olivet back in '06, having to repeatedly reassure that the score wasn't a mis-print back then, and look at Trine now!)

   Or:

How expected was it the year Albion took it all?

   Or:

Will the Detroit Lions go 0-16?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2008, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2008, 12:50:09 PM
Will the Detroit Lions go 0-16?

New Orleans, unlikely, though its the last home game but the Saints are still fighting for the playoff however small those chances are.  They may have been eliminated already, not sure.

Might sound funny but the Lions can win at Green Bay in two weeks.  It would also be like the Lions to win their last two so they miss out on the overall #1 pick.  Its between Cincinnati, St. Louis and Detroit.........the Lions have a 2 game "lead".  I'm not sure how those tie-breakers work out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2008, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 15, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
Is there a location that has the 2009 schedules for the MIAA
I do not see it on teams websites?


Hope's MIAA schedule is exactly the same with the locations reversed from this year.   I would guess the rest of the MIAA is the same.

(remembering the Alma/Hope game was supposed to be two weeks earlier than it was played.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2008, 07:08:53 PM
I was reminded tonight the Saints are out of the playoff hunt officialy, so there's the opening.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 16, 2008, 08:41:58 PM
Thank You for schedule replies.

Hope again has a tough out of conference schedule.

RE: the Lions  I am hoping they win at home this week, no way they win in Green Bay last week of year.

Start Dan-O he is pretty solid and improving.
Draft lineman both sides of the ball with every pick they can, and possible Ohio State LB if he is till around.

QB has no chance presently, until the line play improves why get a another QB to get damaged, let Dan O develop and see if he is a player or not. There is always a QB available every season that is a veteran.  I see no Mannings/Brady in this draft.  Culpepper is not the answer, he has been done since 2002

By the way Michiagn D coordinator retired  thankfully..3-5-3 defense what are we playing in the XFL and and the teams have everybosy in motion so we need all "skill players"  get a stout 4-3 and some speed in DB's a SS with an attitude to hit somebody with bad intent and things will improve.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 16, 2008, 08:58:06 PM
Sorry  correction RE: UofM defense

3-3-5 not 3-35-3 that is the problem Trick/Gemic Defense with the atheletes UofM had, dumb idea

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2008, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 16, 2008, 08:58:06 PM
Sorry  correction RE: UofM defense

3-3-5 not 3-35-3 that is the problem Trick/Gemic Defense with the atheletes UofM had, dumb idea



Hey, I bet THAT defense would work pretty danged well! ;D

[Unless you get some dang math-major ref. :P]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2008, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: D306 on December 16, 2008, 08:58:06 PM
Sorry  correction RE: UofM defense

3-3-5 not 3-35-3 that is the problem Trick/Gemic Defense with the atheletes UofM had, dumb idea



Get used to it, this is Rich Rod's preference.  It was Shafer that wanted to stay with the 4-3, and depending who you ask was forced to use the 3-3-5, which was a disaster.

Shafer made an interesting comment today about being solely responsible for the current state of the Michigan program.  Not sure what to make of this.......he's either an incredibly generous fall guy or things just didn't work out and he was the obvious 5th wheel on a staff that has mostly worked together before.

Michigan has many talent deficiencies, the most obvious QB, the other two LB and S.  The middle linebacker is recruited FB, and one safety a recruited RB.   Doesn't matter what scheme you use if your not strong in those two places on the field.

Next year that weekness will again be LB and S positions, although there is hope a couple redshirt Fr. or true Fr can step in.........and thats the problem,  Freshman.  But next year we get the added bonus of a very thin Dline, they may be forced to play a 3-3-5 because they won't have enough DL.  I'm not sure any d-coordinator can step in and make drastic improvements.  I hope so, but I'm not confident.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2008, 11:34:19 PM
Oh and my brother made the most astute observation of the season somewhere in the middle of the Wisconsin game.

"I don't understand how they can have different coaches and still tackle like crap"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2008, 06:40:34 PM
Well, Rodriquez better do something or he'll be in trouble - i.e. on the hot seat even more (which, BTW, won't make me sad at all...and I'm a Michigan fan!)

Since we're talking about a variety of subjects including MIAA topics and beyond (to help us get to the 200 page milestone ;D), I was surprised to see that Brady Hoeke left Ball State.  Of course, it's obvious he left for the $ and who can blame him in one sense.  Yet it is still somewhat disappointing to see some of these guy jump/abandon the ship especially when it seems they are just getting a program on the rise.  While we all know that MAC programs like Ball State are not going to have those type of seasons year in and year out, nonetheless, it seems like every time someone gets one of those programs near the "next level", they leave and it has to start all over again.  Oh well.

Also, I was greatly disappointed that Charles Barkley had to inject the race card into the Auburn coaching selection, although that doesn't surprise me from him.  His stock in the "respect category" has continued to go down hill for a long time and IMO, is below rock bottom.  There is, at least to our knowledge, no evidence or any reports that racism played a part and he and some of his "croanies" always feel they have to make this an issue.  Sorry, but just my $0.02 worth on that topic.::)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2008, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: sac on December 16, 2008, 11:34:19 PM
Oh and my brother made the most astute observation of the season somewhere in the middle of the Wisconsin game.

"I don't understand how they can have different coaches and still tackle like crap"

A very astute comment, sac! :)  Very true!  Sad, but true!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 18, 2008, 11:38:53 PM
Wasn't surprised Hoke left myself, thats as good as he's going to do at Ball State.  They've had two winning seasons since 1996, last year at 7-6 and this years 12-1.

Consider that Ball State had the #119 ranked schedule according to one source, out of 120 teams.

Next year Ball State will play Auburn, not sure what the rest of it looks like,  the chances they pull off another 10 or 11 win season is pretty slim in my estimation.  Hoke's maximizing his value while he can.

He was offered 3 times his Ball State salary to go to San Diego State, no brainer............its San Diego over Muncie.  A better conference and a chance to resurect a pretty meh football program, with a much better and bigger recruiting territory.

In some ways I think the NCAA has created this monster, when they leveled the playing field years ago, they took programs that were perenial losers and gave them hope.  Now doormat programs think they can be USC, and think they should hire and fire to get the next great thing.  Coaches have too much leverage, alumni and big doners have too much influence etc.  Very few have the patience to let coaches build something.

Tommy Tubberville is the latest example, here's a coach who was nearly railroaded out a couple season's ago.  And now finds himself out of a job for no other reason than a few boosters think they can do better after one bad season, and they got stuck with Chizek. 

Tubs 4 years at Auburn previous to this one
04 13-0
05 9-3
06 11-2
07  9-4

This include 3 bowl wins out of 4, and the SEC Championship in 2004, not to mention beating Alabama 6 straight years.  Absolutely ludicrous he gets fired (or is asked to resign) for one bad season


I've always thought Tubberville was one of the cleverest around, I think Auburn will miss him a lot. (Rodriguez left in the wrong year by the way, he would have had his pick of Tennessee, Clemson and Auburn this year and each would have bid him up BIG!!!)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 18, 2008, 11:39:52 PM

Lloyd Carr's still busy trying to keep his cronies employed, Stan Parrish was named the new Ball State head coach. 

Carr is also rumored to have advised Eastern Michigan on who to interview.  No surprise 4 of the candidates are Corwin Brown (played, never coached at UM), Ron English, Mike Debord, and Erik Campbell.

I hope none of them take the job,  because its such a black hole for coaches.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 19, 2008, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 18, 2008, 06:40:34 PM

Also, I was greatly disappointed that Charles Barkley had to inject the race card into the Auburn coaching selection, although that doesn't surprise me from him.  His stock in the "respect category" has continued to go down hill for a long time and IMO, is below rock bottom.  There is, at least to our knowledge, no evidence or any reports that racism played a part and he and some of his "croanies" always feel they have to make this an issue.  Sorry, but just my $0.02 worth on that topic.::)




Although I must agree that I am not a huge Barkley fan...the fact still remains that there is much discrimination in the coaching profession.  At the D-I level I believe there are only 3 or 4 minority coaches.  Which to say is simply a shame!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 02:58:22 PM
sac:

I agree with your analysis regarding the current state of college football.  It was headed and has been that way now for a long time.  Unfortunately, I don't see that changing.

I disagree somewhat with your other opinions.  While I think you are right about Hoke leaving, IMO, the San Diego State job is a lateral move.  To some people, sunny California is nice (not to me as I have no interest in ever going there), the school is never going to be a super power.  Many people (including some I know in the DI coaching ranks and relatatives of them) compare SDSU like a Ball State or CMU or WMU in the MAC.  I'm sure you recall Stolz left Bowling Green after elevating that program for a good 10 year run, winning the title at SDSU in his first year, only to be run out after the third.  You are right - Hoke left because of the $ plain and simple.  That is his choice and IMO, we can't blame him and coaches like him for doing so, given what the system is today.  That being said, thankfully, there are still some people who consider staying put a loyalty issue, and/or that $ isn't everything (I can't imagine Hoke didn't live well even on his Ball State salary), but then again, who is to say BSU wouldn't fire him down the road if they had several mediocre seasons?  It is not impossible or unlikely that would happen, again given the "super power wannabes" like you've nicely outlined.

The other aspect is EMU.  For sure, that has been the black hole for coaches for a long time as you've mentioned (and many of us have discussed that program here in detail of recent).  However, Mike DeBord certainly couldn't do any worse than he did at CMU; but then again, maybe so! ;D  Still, it would at least be a start for a young coach like Campbell, etc.  They said that about Gill at Buffalo (that school was lousy in past years) and look what he has done there.  Also, I was slightly surprised you mentioned that it was "rumored" Carr gave advice to EMU about interviewees - I was not surprised because that was definitely announced in the media/newspapers that he had been hired as a "non-paid" consultant to do so.  You must have missed that in the paper! ;) ;D surprised that

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 02:59:55 PM
sac addendum:

BTW, I forgot to mention thanks for your comments/opinions.  I always appreciate your input.  These situations that come up whether it be DIII or DI are indeed interesting, aren't they? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 03:12:52 PM
ACRULZ:

While what you say regarding the number disparity is true, still I get tired of all these guys who consistenly try to place the race card.  While I am not saying racism doesn't or perhaps hasn't played a role in some instances of these hirings (I cannot say for sure because we only know what is printed in the paper and we all know that the media is incorrect and misguided many, many times), I do not believe that this occurs in every case at the DI level or otherwise, as others would unfortunately always have us believe.  For sure DI gets the attention, but let's see what the real statistics are; i.e. let's have these schools put out the list of candidates and just how many minority coaches actually apply for the job ( in one sense, just because a school may have candidates in mind, doesn't excuse coaches and those who cry racism for not applying because they certainly have that opportunity), all their credentials, and just exactly how these people stack up agains all the candidates, including their reasons for wanting to be at that particular school, their coaching and life philosophy, etc., etc.  There are a ton of aspects that are and should be taken into affect regarding the selection of a head coach at any level other than the $ and title of "being a head coach".  Moreover, in the "whole picture", let's have the media put out the statistics of all the minority coaches at all the collegiate levels (obviously, the NCAA has this information in its annual football yearbook) and then let's see what the true overall numbers are, including the traditional black colleges and universities.  Do you think they would hire a white guy for a head coach? (it has been done I believe, but rare).  I am not a racist whatsoever, however, as I said, I nonetheless get tired of these idiots who always play that card regardless of the situation and it does happen a lot.  While it is unfortunate that they are few minority background head coaches, still there is no excuse for that former aspect either.  I'm off the soapbox now! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 03:18:37 PM
sac #3:

BTW, regarding the Auburn/Tubberville situation.  I know from a very inside source and friend (who I am not at liberty to disclose) that while Auburn is a very tough place to be head coach as you know and well stated, on the other hand, Tubberville had a part in his own demise.  I was told that he actually put his name in the running for the Arkansas job and another one as well last year without even being approached by those schools nor being "badgered or given ultimatums by Auburn" and that actually "sealed his fate there" for this year.  I agree with you that he is a good coach, but on the other hand, he knew what he was getting into when he left Mississippi to take the Auburn job (or at least he should have ;)).  Regardless, just another chapter/episode in the college football world as we've been discussing. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 19, 2008, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 03:18:37 PM
sac #3:

BTW, regarding the Auburn/Tubberville situation.  I know from a very inside source and friend (who I am not at liberty to disclose) that while Auburn is a very tough place to be head coach as you know and well stated, on the other hand, Tubberville had a part in his own demise.  I was told that he actually put his name in the running for the Arkansas job and another one as well last year without even being approached by those schools nor being "badgered or given ultimatums by Auburn" and that actually "sealed his fate there" for this year.  I agree with you that he is a good coach, but on the other hand, he knew what he was getting into when he left Mississippi to take the Auburn job (or at least he should have ;)).  Regardless, just another chapter/episode in the college football world as we've been discussing. :)

Thats kind of funny give the clause about interference he had in his contract.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: sac on December 19, 2008, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 03:18:37 PM
sac #3:

BTW, regarding the Auburn/Tubberville situation.  I know from a very inside source and friend (who I am not at liberty to disclose) that while Auburn is a very tough place to be head coach as you know and well stated, on the other hand, Tubberville had a part in his own demise.  I was told that he actually put his name in the running for the Arkansas job and another one as well last year without even being approached by those schools nor being "badgered or given ultimatums by Auburn" and that actually "sealed his fate there" for this year.  I agree with you that he is a good coach, but on the other hand, he knew what he was getting into when he left Mississippi to take the Auburn job (or at least he should have ;)).  Regardless, just another chapter/episode in the college football world as we've been discussing. :)

Thats kind of funny give the clause about interference he had in his contract.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: sac on December 19, 2008, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 03:18:37 PM
sac #3:

BTW, regarding the Auburn/Tubberville situation.  I know from a very inside source and friend (who I am not at liberty to disclose) that while Auburn is a very tough place to be head coach as you know and well stated, on the other hand, Tubberville had a part in his own demise.  I was told that he actually put his name in the running for the Arkansas job and another one as well last year without even being approached by those schools nor being "badgered or given ultimatums by Auburn" and that actually "sealed his fate there" for this year.  I agree with you that he is a good coach, but on the other hand, he knew what he was getting into when he left Mississippi to take the Auburn job (or at least he should have ;)).  Regardless, just another chapter/episode in the college football world as we've been discussing. :)

Thats kind of funny give the clause about interference he had in his contract.

Oops!  I hit the wrong button before typing in my post (what an idiot I am! ;D).  Anyway, I was going to say that, indeed, that is funny.  I guess people do some strange things sometimes and they should be careful in what they say and do (and that includes our friend Rodriguez at our beloved U of M   ;) :o ::) ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 19, 2008, 03:48:22 PM
The guy had every opportunity to throw either QB (using the term lightly) under the bus and he didn't.  He took the high road with those guys alot this year.

The problem at UM is the alums and donors don't understand its going to be different and more importantly it needs to be different.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 19, 2008, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 03:12:52 PM
ACRULZ:

While what you say regarding the number disparity is true, still I get tired of all these guys who consistenly try to place the race card.  While I am not saying racism doesn't or perhaps hasn't played a role in some instances of these hirings (I cannot say for sure because we only know what is printed in the paper and we all know that the media is incorrect and misguided many, many times), I do not believe that this occurs in every case at the DI level or otherwise, as others would unfortunately always have us believe.  For sure DI gets the attention, but let's see what the real statistics are; i.e. let's have these schools put out the list of candidates and just how many minority coaches actually apply for the job ( in one sense, just because a school may have candidates in mind, doesn't excuse coaches and those who cry racism for not applying because they certainly have that opportunity), all their credentials, and just exactly how these people stack up agains all the candidates, including their reasons for wanting to be at that particular school, their coaching and life philosophy, etc., etc.  There are a ton of aspects that are and should be taken into affect regarding the selection of a head coach at any level other than the $ and title of "being a head coach".  Moreover, in the "whole picture", let's have the media put out the statistics of all the minority coaches at all the collegiate levels (obviously, the NCAA has this information in its annual football yearbook) and then let's see what the true overall numbers are, including the traditional black colleges and universities.  Do you think they would hire a white guy for a head coach? (it has been done I believe, but rare).  I am not a racist whatsoever, however, as I said, I nonetheless get tired of these idiots who always play that card regardless of the situation and it does happen a lot.  While it is unfortunate that they are few minority background head coaches, still there is no excuse for that former aspect either.  I'm off the soapbox now! ;D ;)


Agreed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 08:33:21 PM
Quote from: sac on December 19, 2008, 03:48:22 PM
The guy had every opportunity to throw either QB (using the term lightly) under the bus and he didn't.  He took the high road with those guys alot this year.

The problem at UM is the alums and donors don't understand its going to be different and more importantly it needs to be different.



Oh, I definitely agree with you on that.  I was referring to the integrity of his actions during his hiring process debacle.  I also am friends with a source who has someone who coached with Rodriguez and he doesn't have a high opinion of Coach R at all (I could tell you some doozies of stories about that, however, I will refrain from doing so. ::)).

ACRULZ:
Thanks for your response and previous thoughts as well.  BTW, anything of worthy news about Adrian at this time?  I suspect not as it is the same with all of our MIAA schools right now!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 08:42:12 PM
As you can see, since I was not able to make the Stagg Bowl trip this year, I'm sitting at home posting responses here (I guess I'm helping you guys get us to that 200 page milestone! :D).  Although I had the day off to finally get some personal business and errands done, I ended up spending most of it snowblowing our driveway and sidewalks (3 times) due to the heavy winter snowstorm we received last night/early this AM and on into late this afternoon) as well as getting other "honey do list items" done in the house which I've neglected for sometime ;D.

Anyway, since we've been on the DI topics (which I guess I'm the culprit for starting), I thought I would throw the topic back to our DIII.  So here goes.  What are your predictions as to who will win the Stagg Bowl tomorrow and by what general score?  I guess I'm going with the majority of our DIII posting colleagues on the various boards in saying that Mount Union will win it this year and I'm guessing by about 13-14 points.  Of course, we'll see what happens!  I've got my TV set tuned in for ESPN tomorrow for 11 AM.  That still gives us the remainder of the day to "do other stuff"!  I've got my Christmas shopping done, so I guess I'll have to find other things to keep me occupied!  What about you guys? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2008, 08:55:00 PM
A two-TD win by MUC would certainly not shock me, but I'm going a bit closer - 7 or 8.  (I took UWW and the 9.5 points on OAC pickems, but MUC straight-up on CCIW.)

I'll go with either 28-21 or 35-27.  Wheaton corralled Kmic for one quarter (I think it was 8 yards on 7 carries), but Micheli made 'em pay (17-0 lead).  When they focused more on Micheli, Kmic added another 303 yards!  I just don't think any d3 defense can stop them both for a whole game (though UWW is probably better than Wheaton).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 19, 2008, 09:16:20 PM
Guessing that MUC will take it by 9, and going further out on the limb (a dangerous proposition at my present heft (d*mned holiday foodstuffs  :D), predict Kmic will get 147, Micheli throws for 198 with 2 TDs and scrambles for another 36. 

Wow - pretty easy when one hasn't a dog in the fight and just looks forward to a three hour respite from leaf mulching and garage reorg. Now, if only the dog, cat, and wife will honor the sabbatical.   ;D  62 at 9:15 PM, fmrd3 - good weekend to be south!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 10:29:03 PM
Mr. Ypsi and Cave2:

Good predictions and reasoning.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  I just hope it doesn't end up being a blowout.  Another close game in the Stagg would be great.

BTW, Cave2, indeed, I would rather be raking/mulching down your way than snowblowing and freezing up here!

Ypsi:  In your sleuth expertise ways, have you heard anything at all regarding the EMU coaching search?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2008, 11:14:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 10:29:03 PM
Mr. Ypsi and Cave2:

Good predictions and reasoning.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  I just hope it doesn't end up being a blowout.  Another close game in the Stagg would be great.

BTW, Cave2, indeed, I would rather be raking/mulching down your way than snowblowing and freezing up here!

Ypsi:  In your sleuth expertise ways, have you heard anything at all regarding the EMU coaching search?  Just curious.

I heard the three finalists were Fielding Yost, Vince Lombardi, and YOU. ;D

No, I have no insider info.  Chances are I'll know nothing until rumors (or founded reports) in the AA News - which you may see earlier than I if you follow MLive. :P  But I'll post if I do hear anything.

Follow-up on my prediction: MUC never could completely shake Wheaton (their starters were still in in the 4th, which is probably a first this year).  IF UWW is better (which I would certainly suspect), this one may be in doubt to the final gun.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 20, 2008, 12:04:42 AM
Bowl Season kicks off tommorrow

Eagle Bank Bowl
Wake Forest v Navy

New Mexico Bowl
Colorado State v Fresno State

magicjack St. Petersburg Bowl
South Florida v Memphis

Pioneer Vegas Bowl
Brigham Young v Arizona


pretty much a joke.......at least BYU and Arizona is somewhat interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2008, 12:13:57 AM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2008, 12:04:42 AM
Bowl Season kicks off tommorrow

Eagle Bank Bowl
Wake Forest v Navy

New Mexico Bowl
Colorado State v Fresno State

magicjack St. Petersburg Bowl
South Florida v Memphis

Pioneer Vegas Bowl
Brigham Young v Arizona


pretty much a joke.......at least BYU and Arizona is somewhat interesting.

Alas, for most of the country (if the broadcasters' info about viewers is accurate) they're all better than some 'joke' called the Stagg Bowl. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2008, 01:59:23 PM
I just posted over on the OAC board, commenting on the officiating crew, which hasn't been up to the usual standards they've had in recent Stagg Bowls.  Although it hasn't had a direct effect on the game, still it can be somewhat demoralizing/frustrating to a team.

UW-W just hasn't got that "extra-punch" and it looks like Mount Union will return to being the national champion after being dethroned last year.  Despite their having just scored to make it 31-20, time is running out for UW-W, although you never know.  Me thinks, though, that Mount will win and it appears like some (most of) of us have predicted i.e. somewhere around that 2 TD margin, more or less.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2008, 02:29:45 PM
A little closer than some of us thought!  Too bad UW-W's kicker missed those two FG's earlier in the game.  That would have won it for them, assuming of course, the other scores would occur as they did.  A tough situation for him.

Anyway, while UW-W gave it a valient try, Mount Union overall is clearly the stronger team.  I think they had a little let down in the 4th quarter in perhaps starting to celebrate a little too early.  It turned out to be a pretty good game though and at least it wasn't a blowout.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: orsky on December 20, 2008, 05:07:30 PM
I didn't really think MUC was celebrating, it felt more like they were hanging on for dear life.  After the first quarter, UWW basically outplayed them the rest of the way.  One tipped pass from winninng outright.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2008, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: orsky on December 20, 2008, 05:07:30 PM
I didn't really think MUC was celebrating, it felt more like they were hanging on for dear life.  After the first quarter, UWW basically outplayed them the rest of the way.  One tipped pass from winninng outright.

I agree with you in that I think Mount Union, although an excellent team, was lucky to win this game given what happened.  However, my intent wasn't referring to an outright celebration in the sense that we usually think of, but rather the idea that I think Mount's players thought they had it won and just decided to try and coast the rest of the way to the win.  You know, similar to how golfers try to "play it safe" when they have a big league to use just one example.  I truly believe that with a 31-13 lead with, what was it about 6-7 minutes or so left in the game, it appeared to me they said "we've got this in the bag" and let's just ride it out to the win.  Again, great credit goes to UW-W for giving it their all to the final whistle, but they just didn't have that little extra "umph" to do it this year.  Besides, as I mentioned, I thought the two missed FG's when they happened, were going to come back to haunt them and it did just that.  I feel bad for the UW-W kicker, but "that's life".  In all, I thought it was a great Stagg Bowl game to watch and am glad it was not one of the blowouts that have happened in some years.  Although I will say, we've had some good close ones in recent years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2008, 06:26:27 PM
I missed seeing the first missed FG, but the second was most unfortunate - if the zebras hadn't blown it on the pass reception (calling it out-of-bounds when he clearly was dragging his foot in-bounds), the kick would have been 8-9 yards shorter (and, probably, made).  That, plus the phantom roughing-the-kicker call, were HUGE breaks for MUC (who hardly need breaks from the refs)!

On the other hand, Micheli's fumble at the goal line (and Anderson's fumble which was recovered by a teammate for a 7 yard GAIN) were HUGE breaks for UWW - 'luck' tends to balance out (usually) over the course of a game.

While it is the classic lament of losers, UWW would have some justification in saying "We didn't lose; we just ran out of time"! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2008, 07:52:22 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I was wondering if you were "lurking around" and when you would post! ;D  Thought perhaps you might have taken a break from the "boob tube" (and some of those other "crappy" bowl games!) after the Stagg and gone out doing some last minute Christmas shopping or just "went out" for whatever ::) (eggnog, hootch, etc.! ;D :D :o :P :D :) ;)).

Anyway, good and fair analysis you make.  BTW, thanks for including me on "the short list" for the EMU job!  I could win there, I know it!!! (Just kidding ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2008, 07:59:35 PM
And since the other two finalists are dead, even with EMU hiring practices I think you've got a shot! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 20, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Weird that this hasn't made the news wires, but I guess Ron English has been hired as the next head coach at Eastern Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on December 21, 2008, 01:11:25 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2008, 08:33:21 PM

ACRULZ:
Thanks for your response and previous thoughts as well.  BTW, anything of worthy news about Adrian at this time?  I suspect not as it is the same with all of our MIAA schools right now!


To my knowledge all is quiet at Adrian as of now.  The staff will be returning, no surprise transfers, and really that is about it at good ol' Adrian.  One thing however, I hear they are expanding their recruiting areas quite a bit.  Not real sure where to but they may be hitting places they haven't in years past.  Let the search to replace Troy Niblock begin!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 01:16:13 AM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Weird that this hasn't made the news wires, but I guess Ron English has been hired as the next head coach at Eastern Michigan.

Thanks for the early "tip" sac.  I guess we'll see what the AM papers say.  Wow, that is a good hire for EMU and I think English has a good chance (hopefully) of doing what Gill has for Buffalo.  Also, as a minority background hire, at least the race card baiters can't complain about this selection. ;) ::) :-X  He deserves this opportunity (frankly, I'm surprised he wasn't on the top of other lists of recent DI coaching openings - like he was a year or two ago).  Anyway, he is a good coach, enthusiastic and dynamic, so and let's hope that EMU's reputation of "the graveyard of coaches" does not have an effect on him.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 01:18:53 AM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Weird that this hasn't made the news wires, but I guess Ron English has been hired as the next head coach at Eastern Michigan.
Quote from: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 01:16:13 AM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Weird that this hasn't made the news wires, but I guess Ron English has been hired as the next head coach at Eastern Michigan.

Thanks for the early "tip" sac.  I guess we'll see what the AM papers say.  Wow, that is a good hire for EMU and I think English has a good chance (hopefully) of doing what Gill has for Buffalo.  Also, as a minority background hire, at least the race card baiters can't complain about this selection. ;) ::) :-X  He deserves this opportunity (frankly, I'm surprised he wasn't on the top of other lists of recent DI coaching openings - like he was a year or two ago).  Anyway, he is a good coach, enthusiastic and dynamic, so and let's hope that EMU's reputation of "the graveyard of coaches" does not have an effect on him.  

Hey, Mr. Ypsi:
What do you think of that choice?  Also, I see you are once again (like me) "burning the midnight candle or oil"! ;D  Or is it that you are wrapping all those Christmas gifts you bought today at your local mall? :D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 01:20:21 AM
ACRULZ:

Thanks for the Adrian update.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2008, 01:28:39 AM
Yeah, I'm still here! ;)

My initial reaction is 'good hire', but I'll wait for definite confirmation and further scuttlebutt.  I've been burned by 'good hire' reactions in the past! :(

Oh, and I watched no other bowl games, but I did follow Elmhurst's (slight) upset of #1 WashU. :)  And couldn't resist giving my wife an early present (which didn't fit, so back to the mall :().
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 21, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
Kudos to the MIAA on getting to #200.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 21, 2008, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 01:18:53 AM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Weird that this hasn't made the news wires, but I guess Ron English has been hired as the next head coach at Eastern Michigan.
Quote from: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 01:16:13 AM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Weird that this hasn't made the news wires, but I guess Ron English has been hired as the next head coach at Eastern Michigan.

Thanks for the early "tip" sac.  I guess we'll see what the AM papers say.  Wow, that is a good hire for EMU and I think English has a good chance (hopefully) of doing what Gill has for Buffalo.  Also, as a minority background hire, at least the race card baiters can't complain about this selection. ;) ::) :-X  He deserves this opportunity (frankly, I'm surprised he wasn't on the top of other lists of recent DI coaching openings - like he was a year or two ago).  Anyway, he is a good coach, enthusiastic and dynamic, so and let's hope that EMU's reputation of "the graveyard of coaches" does not have an effect on him.  

Hey, Mr. Ypsi:
What do you think of that choice?  Also, I see you are once again (like me) "burning the midnight candle or oil"! ;D  Or is it that you are wrapping all those Christmas gifts you bought today at your local mall? :D ;D

Nothing on the EMW website as of Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
The AA News has a report this morning suggesting Ron English is 'likely' to be named 'shortly', but admitted they could get no confirmation from either side.

The EMU website would certainly not post anything until it is a done deal.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 21, 2008, 03:47:05 PM
Made it to 200.  Woop,  wooop

There's another rumor that English was offered the DC position at Michigan (completely oddball) turned it down when EMU offered the HC position.

I find this highly unlikely but still funny to think about.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 05:31:21 PM
Hey friends, +k to all for helping us get to the 200 page mark!  I will try to add some to those who helped us in the past couple of weeks as well.  Thanks, and we did it before Christmas.  I thank all of you for some great discussion here regarding our beloved college football, even if it isn't specifically about the MIAA. 

Yes, nothing was in our local paper here other than one of the sports writers had mentioned in their column that several candidates had turned EMU down.  While I realize that nothing was confirmed as yet, my previous comments are intended for "if this does come to fruition".

I also would find it hard to believe the story that English turned down the offer for DC - especially if a HC job is "in the works".  Keep us posted all and we'll keep on the lookout for announcements in the media.

BTW, Mr. Ypsi, I see you have that kind of problem, too, like me and some others i.e. getting the wrong sizes (or thing) for the wife! ;D  At least you are taking care of it now instead of at the last minute.  On the other hand, I remember when I was young and my dad would take the entire day off work on Christmas Eve day to take both my brother and me to the mall with him to shop for mom.  It was a tradition for us and we had a "blast".  Shopping, eating Coney Island hot dogs for lunch, then getting home and prohibiting mom from coming into the bedroom as we quickly wrapped presents.  Of course, shopping so late always resulted in nothing fitting her and she had to take them back (not to mention some of the outlandish outfits we bought her which were not her style, but we thought they might work out since they were "the in thing" at the time - you know, mini-skirts, Nancy Sinatra knee high dress boots, etc., etc. ;D oops!, I'm dating myself here :o ::) ;D :D.  Anyway, we had fun and those are some great lifetime memories, which I'll always enjoy, especially now that both my parents have passed away.  Sorry if I bored any of you with this, but...it is the Christmas season and "off-season" now for our DIII fb topics!

Talk to you guys later, my friends and if I for some reason don't post here, I will just go ahead now and say I wish all of you a blessed and most enjoyable Christmas and New Year's holiday over the next two weeks.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 05:37:19 PM
Mr. Ypsi, I gave you a +k yesterday for one of your posts, so due to Pat's "24 hour rule" for this website, I'll have to wait until tomorrow to give you one for helping us get to 200 pages!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2008, 07:45:24 PM
Comcast website just posted on their Sports Headlines via a Detroit Associated Press article that Ron English, former U of Mich and current Louisville defensive coordinator has accepted the head coaching position at Eastern Michigan University and will definitely be introduced as that tomorrow at an AM press conference that has been scheduled by EMU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 23, 2008, 12:53:17 PM
YPSI   1 Karma for you for rooling over the 200 mark AND getting English as a Coach

Very good hire, young aggressive guy, with locakl success and Friends with Carr will bring the recruits

Alot of Offense returning he is a defensive coach by trade so expect an attitude change and improvment.

EMU will be moving up in the MAC I am very excited for the team and college.

Per everyones earlier posts, I think many of us want more for EMU

Have good Holiday folks :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 23, 2008, 03:08:24 PM
Far be it for me to ever get excited about EMU football, or EMU anything........I guess I'm kind of indifferent to this hire.  English appears to be a good guy with a promising future but at UM as the DC he had one good defense in 2006.  That defense included 5 current NFL players in David Harris, Jamar Adams, Alan Branch, Lamar Woodley and Leon Hall.  Throw in NFL reserves Prescott Burgess and Shawn Crable along with potential 09 draftees Terrance Taylor and Morgan Trent (highly doubtfull imo) and he simply had a stacked defense talent wise to work with.   Behind them though was very little, and those players certainly didn't progress much in the 2 years English was running things.

Michigan's D's have had a terrible habit of poor tackling and taking poor angles of pursuit for several years now, English did nothing to improve this aspect while at UM.  Harris, Woodley and Hall were solid tacklers in their own right, once they were gone so went the tackling.  I'll also add the Big10 was the worst offensively in 2006 I have ever seen it, so while viewed as a 'great' defense by fans, they didn't face much of a challenge.  They got schooled by Ohio State and So. Cal, two teams with great fire power.

In 2007 the defense regressed but I still would have preferred Rodriguez give him a shot for a couple more years.  English was one of only 3 coaches I would like to have seen retained  (Fred Jackson and Erik Campbell the others)


With all that said I somehow think English will do well at EMU, but I just can't see them being anything more than middle of their MAC division.  They seem to be well behind CMU and WMU.   Two or Three good years and he'll be off to somewhere else like Brady Hoke.

I guess the question I have is, without Lloyd Carr's influence in this search, is Ron English even a candidate for this job?   Something we'll never know of course.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 23, 2008, 06:52:57 PM
As an outsider, let me say that I think it would be good for the MAC if EMU has some successes and is able to up-grade its program to be a consistent winner.  EMU is a perennial underdog in the MAC ... plus it sits in the shadow of the so-called Big House ... and that has got to create some sense of inferiority. 

Because I almost always pull for the underdog ... I say Go E & E ... English and Eagles
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 23, 2008, 09:52:34 PM
sac:
To be honest with you, I don't think any of the coaches in the MAC who do real well for a long time will/would be around a long time.  Let's face it, the MAC is really a FCS (i.e. I-AA level league).  While I agree with you that I think English will do well at EMU (and/or at least have a very good chance at it), as far as his stint at Michigan, to be honest, you have to go back even further before him in regards to what you relate about Michigan's defense.  Heck, even back in Schembechler's day, Michigan has always had trouble with covering the tight end, poor tackling, failure to have a great pass rush from their D-line late in the game, etc., especially in the bowl games.  So it pre-dates even English.  As great as some of the teams that Michigan has had even in it's best years, IMO, those aspects have always been their "Achilles heel" and one that has prevented them from being "really great".  And I'm a big U of M fan myself, being that my dad was an alum of the school.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how English does and who he puts together for his staff.  I'm wondering if he'll keep a few of the current coaches - from the current website, it appears he, so far, has kept some of the younger guys in the GA and FO positions, especially the young man from Adrian College, one of our former ALL-MIAA players.  We'll see what plays out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 28, 2008, 10:06:58 PM
Why stop at 200 we're on a roll..........

Bad news, Lions go 0-16  (remember I said the Lions could beat GB, it was 21-24 with 7 1/2 min to go, they could have.........then the Lions secondary showed up :D)

The good news is the Cowboys missed the playoffs so the Lions will also have pick #19 in the first round.  Bad news is they also have pick #1 and #33 which means they stunk.

3 of the top 33 can't hurt (if they don't screw it up), even though they need 30 of the top 33.

So, who do they take at #1?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 30, 2008, 01:02:21 AM
Best article about the Detroit Lions ever written......

http://www.freep.com/article/20081229/COL01/81229054
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 30, 2008, 01:19:43 AM
Only ONE team in the history of the NFL has had TWO 100-yd+ receivers and TWO 100-yd+ rushers all in the same game.  Who?

Why, the Packers as they gave the Lions their 16th loss, of course.  Becoming the 'official' worst team in the history of football wasn't enough - the Pussycats needed to make their opponents the most versatile offense in the history of football at the same time! :o >:( :(

There has just GOT to be some sub-clause somewhere in the NFL by-laws to permit firing William Clay Ford.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 30, 2008, 10:11:45 AM
Bail Out...  perhaps spearheaded by the sidelined Honorable John Dingell?  ;D

Might Mitch alter his tone 180 degrees from his last book and pen a Lion's Litany?

At least this Michigan ex-pat still has the Wings to root for  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2009, 03:51:43 PM
It would be a good move to get the young McDaniels at Detroit.  I think he would be a good choice - at least give this young coach a shot at his first hc job.  He's done a tremendous job as OC in the pros.  BTW, I saw it mentioned on ESPN that Stanford was finalizing a contract extension for Jim Harbaugh as he was listed as a potential candidate for the Oakland Raiders head job.  I hope he stays at Stanford - while he was a good pro assistant (aside from being a good player in college and the NFL), he's a good college coach and has done a good job at the schools he's been at.  Hopefully, he still has his desire and passion for the college game like his dad and also Pete Carroll at USC. 

Any thoughts on some of the bowl games, anyone?  I thought the attendance was very good for almost all the games, which is a good sign.  Also, many were not blowouts and actually some good games to watch.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on January 02, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
Got a call the other day...

Is Dom done at Olivet or just another "internet" rumor? I have called the campus and have gotten no reponse--anything on this end?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2009, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: rome on January 02, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
Got a call the other day...

Is Dom done at Olivet or just another "internet" rumor? I have called the campus and have gotten no reponse--anything on this end?

rome:

I have not heard anything regarding that, although I must admit that I also have not taken the time nor had the opportunity to check out that other Olivet rumor about them possibly leaving the MIAA either.  As was mentioned by some before, the rumor about leaving the conference IMO (without having yet checked with any sources that I personally know and who would have that info) is ridiculous and highly likely one of those stupid, irresponsible rumors that some jerks post on the M-Live chat site (I signed up for that site about 3 years ago or so, however, quite posting since it was such a collection of ridiculous and out-of-control posters).

Yet, as far as the "Dom rumor", I would be sad to see him step down right at this point, but on other other hand, could certainly understand it.  He is possibly getting "tired" and has done a good job in continuing the upgraded and stable program that Irv Siegler established (along with Dom's help, too).  They also would have a very capable candidate to step right in for the head job in Kubiak.  Anyway, although I said this before (forgive me as the holidays got in the way and also, I still had some work days around those before and after of course ;D), I will try to check with some inside sources I know and hopefully find out more about this.

BTW, rome, where have you been?  You've not participated in posting with us here for quite some time!  Do you not like us anymore?! ;D :D  We need and desire you insight, input and contributions regarding "The Big O" here!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
Didn't intend my last sentence of my last post here to slight OC_sid!  We need all the posters here we can get to support our MIAA board and the more "Big O" people we have, the better! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 03, 2009, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: rome on January 02, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
Got a call the other day...

Is Dom done at Olivet or just another "internet" rumor? I have called the campus and have gotten no reponse--anything on this end?

You have not gotten anyone when you called campus because it has been shut down for the Holiday break ... The last day for employees was Dec. 19 and we return to work Monday ... Now, some employees did work during the break ;) ... We had a home women's basketball game on Dec. 22 and today ... men's basketball was away on Dec. 30 and wrestlers were away on Dec. 29-30.

Quote from: formerd3db on January 03, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
Didn't intend my last sentence of my last post here to slight OC_sid!  We need all the posters here we can get to support our MIAA board and the more "Big O" people we have, the better! :)

Don't worry about slighting me!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on January 03, 2009, 08:38:54 PM

You have not gotten anyone when you called campus because it has been shut down for the Holiday break ... The last day for employees was Dec. 19 and we return to work Monday ... Now, some employees did work during the break ;) ... We had a home women's basketball game on Dec. 22 and today ... men's basketball was away on Dec. 30 and wrestlers were away on Dec. 29-30.

Quote from: formerd3db on January 03, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
Didn't intend my last sentence of my last post here to slight OC_sid!  We need all the posters here we can get to support our MIAA board and the more "Big O" people we have, the better! :)

Thanks OC_SID.  We would never want to do that!  You input is valued here.  BTW, since we've brought up the topic, can you possibly address those two recent rumors regarding Olivet possibly leaving the MIAA and Dom stepping down/retiring as Head Coach - are you at liberty to discuss any of that?  If not, we understand. 

Don't worry about slighting me!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2009, 01:39:40 PM
Oops!  Sorry, I accidentally included my post in the "reply quote" section instead of typing it in separate - typed and  :-[ :Phit the wrong button.  But you can read it anyway.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2009, 01:41:56 PM

(Will try this again ;) )

Thanks OC_SID.  We would never want to do that!  You input is valued here.  BTW, since we've brought up the topic, can you possibly address those two recent rumors regarding Olivet possibly leaving the MIAA and Dom stepping down/retiring as Head Coach - are you at liberty to discuss any of that?  If not, we understand. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 04, 2009, 01:57:49 PM
As I posted a few weeks ago on the basketball board, there is no truth to the rumor about Olivet leaving the MIAA ... Reading the rumor about Dominic on this board is the first time that I heard it ... Unless things have happened over break that I am not aware of, I would so that is also a rumor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on January 04, 2009, 01:57:49 PM
As I posted a few weeks ago on the basketball board, there is no truth to the rumor about Olivet leaving the MIAA ... Reading the rumor about Dominic on this board is the first time that I heard it ... Unless things have happened over break that I am not aware of, I would so that is also a rumor.

Thanks again OC_SID.  I/we must have missed your posting over on the basketball boards (I read only occasionally over there on that board).  Anyway, regarding both of those rumors, it is what I expected.  Anyway, thanks again and we'll talk to you again "down the road".  BTW, Hope plays at Olivet this Wed as you know.  I am going to try and see if I can attend the game although it depends on my work schedule/load.  I would like to see the new "basketball digs".  Also, for what it's worth, my dad was one of the architects who designed Olivet's student center (the modern white building at center campus on the west side of Main Steet - can't recall the current name right now without pulling up your website ;)) many years ago when he was with that firm (before starting a very successful firm of his own).  Anyway, hope the new athletic center is working out nicely for you guys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 04, 2009, 04:57:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 04, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on January 04, 2009, 01:57:49 PM
As I posted a few weeks ago on the basketball board, there is no truth to the rumor about Olivet leaving the MIAA ... Reading the rumor about Dominic on this board is the first time that I heard it ... Unless things have happened over break that I am not aware of, I would so that is also a rumor.

Thanks again OC_SID.  I/we must have missed your posting over on the basketball boards (I read only occasionally over there on that board).  Anyway, regarding both of those rumors, it is what I expected.  Anyway, thanks again and we'll talk to you again "down the road".  BTW, Hope plays at Olivet this Wed as you know.  I am going to try and see if I can attend the game although it depends on my work schedule/load.  I would like to see the new "basketball digs".  Also, for what it's worth, my dad was one of the architects who designed Olivet's student center (the modern white building at center campus on the west side of Main Steet - can't recall the current name right now without pulling up your website ;)) many years ago when he was with that firm (before starting a very successful firm of his own).  Anyway, hope the new athletic center is working out nicely for you guys.

Yes, the new athletic facility is working out great ... It is just the right for a school the size that Olivet is ... not too big and not too small ... We have had many compliments from parents, alumni, opposing coaches, players, etc. ... I am sure that now the men's team is getting into conference play, we will get many positive compliments from those head coaches (VanWieren, VandeStreek, Riley) since they are the ones who were around for the old and out-of-date facility ... If you do come to the game on Wednesday night, please come up and introduce yourself ... I will be the one behind the computer doing stats ... It should be a good game ...

I am glad to get the football board closer to 202 pages!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2009, 08:20:13 PM
OC_SID:

Appreciate the update on the new facility.  I do like the old buildings on Olivet's campus (and any college campus as well) as it gives that great tradition feeling.  While the old basketball facilities, including "The -original- Pit", were outdated, still, hope that Olivet will keep McKay Gynasium for extra intramural or perhaps some other department in the future.  Structurally, the building appears to be sound - at least from outside observation. 

If I am able to make the game Wednesday, indeed I will come over to meet you.  BTW, your help in getting us to continue to "up the page count here" is always appreciated!  We'll never catch the other boards, but...we'll keep trying and we do have a good quality group of posters here on our MIAA board.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 04, 2009, 10:11:54 PM

How about Boston College telling their coach if he goes through with interviewing for the NY Jets job he's fired.

Good for BC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 05, 2009, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: sac on January 04, 2009, 10:11:54 PM

How about Boston College telling their coach if he goes through with interviewing for the NY Jets job he's fired.

Good for BC.

sac:

I couldn't agree with you more.  Yes, BC is to be commended.  It is good to see that some schools will now try to (key word is try) to return some respectability, integrety, and loyalty in the messed up system of coaching contracts and $. ;D :o ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 05, 2009, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 04, 2009, 01:41:56 PM

(Will try this again ;) )

Thanks OC_SID.  We would never want to do that!  You input is valued here.  BTW, since we've brought up the topic, can you possibly address those two recent rumors regarding Olivet possibly leaving the MIAA and Dom stepping down/retiring as Head Coach - are you at liberty to discuss any of that?  If not, we understand. 



Its good anytime the SID or someone from that office posts on these pages. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 05, 2009, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 05, 2009, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 04, 2009, 01:41:56 PM

(Will try this again ;) )

Thanks OC_SID.  We would never want to do that!  You input is valued here.  BTW, since we've brought up the topic, can you possibly address those two recent rumors regarding Olivet possibly leaving the MIAA and Dom stepping down/retiring as Head Coach - are you at liberty to discuss any of that?  If not, we understand. 



Its good anytime the SID or someone from that office posts on these pages. 

I would agree, yet obviously they have to be careful, using their professional discretion in doing so. ;)  This certainly is a slightly different situation with regard to the "unwritten and accepted rule here and by the coaches themselves" as to coaches and active players not posting. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on January 05, 2009, 10:16:03 PM
Glad to have found a solid answer--thank you OC SID
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 09, 2009, 07:36:27 AM
Does anyone know when Academic All American List is posted?

Is this done at the end of the College year and all the sports listed, or is after each season?

I have been searching the internet for an answer to no avail.

I know a few MIAA players whom have the grades, though I do not truely know the requirements or procedure.

By the way pretty poorly played NC championship game last night.
Way to many dumb penalities, and OK offensive play calling was suspect, should have been in hurry up all night, moved ball with that system.

Tebow is a horse, strong arm, fairly accurate, but a slow release will hurt him on next level.
Can not just run, Vince Young proves that, strong arm, poor delivery strong runner adds up to great college player but flash in pan in pros.

Hope I am wrong about Tebow I really like him, his enthusiasm and the off the feild persona.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 09, 2009, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: D306 on January 09, 2009, 07:36:27 AM
Does anyone know when Academic All American List is posted?

Is this done at the end of the College year and all the sports listed, or is after each season?

I have been searching the internet for an answer to no avail.

I know a few MIAA players whom have the grades, though I do not truely know the requirements or procedure.



The Academic All-District/America teams for football are done in-season ...

MIAA football players on the 2008 Academic All-District IV teams were:
      Alex Hill, Olivet -- first-team DB
      Sean Misko, Olivet -- second-team RB
      Phil Koops, Olivet -- second-team OL
      Michael Terranova, Olivet -- second-team DB
      Jimmy Semelsberger, Kalamazoo -- second-team WR
      Nate Kopydlowski, Kalamazoo -- second-team LB

First-team selections from each of the eight CoSIDA districts advance to the national Academic All-America ballot. Therefore, Alex was the only one to advance and he was not named to any of the three national Academic All-America teams.

Basic criteria for nomination:
     3.30 or higher GPA
     Athlete must have played in at 50% of team's games at the position listed
     Must have completed one full academic year at the current institution
     Starter or important reserve
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 09, 2009, 09:50:14 AM
OC_SID

1 karma for you, fast and factual reply

Funny 1 player I am thinking of had a 3.9 GPA played in 9 of 10 games hurt for 1.  He also is a upperclassmen with a 3.76 GPA overall.
I know he covers all the criteria, is it based also on some number of catchs, tackles,  passing / rushing yards etc... compared to other players in the same postion?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2009, 12:41:27 PM
Schools nominate players and then SIDs throughout the region vote. Whatever criteria they choose is up to them, but a player is supposed to be a key contributor on the field as well as strong in the classroom.

When I voted in the mid-90s, I definitely gave more weight to specific majors but I usually went for star players with strong GPAs over star students with average on-field credentials.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 10, 2009, 09:25:21 AM
Pat/OC_SID

Thanks for the replies.

I suspected it had more to do with being in the top 5 of your position in stats then academic record, which it should be, a recognition of great on the feild and off the feild production.

Some good games this weekend in the pro's stay warm and hopefully not snowed in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2009, 10:07:57 AM
You also have to be nominated, of course, and I know from the D3football.com All-Region teams that getting some schools to nominate is like pulling teeth. We go through an extra step or two now to try to make sure every worthy student-athlete gets nominated but that's not all that possible with an academic all-american team, since GPAs aren't exactly widespread public knowledge.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 10, 2009, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2009, 10:07:57 AM
You also have to be nominated, of course, and I know from the D3football.com All-Region teams that getting some schools to nominate is like pulling teeth. We go through an extra step or two now to try to make sure every worthy student-athlete gets nominated but that's not all that possible with an academic all-american team, since GPAs aren't exactly widespread public knowledge.

Pat:

That is interesting, yet also surprising.  You would think that just the essence of being "DIII" that the schools (i.e. the SIDs and ADs) would be enthusiastic and determined to nominate their qualified student-athletes for this and thus further promote the academic accalodes.  As you well know, DI has had these academic all-americnan teams for years, yet it wasn't until the 1980's that many of the DIII conferences started really promoting those post-season teams, with the assistance of some organizations such as Kodak, the SID national organization, etc., etc.  Anyway, thanks for enlightening us further on this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2009, 02:42:39 PM
I posted my comments regarding this on two other boards, so I won't reiterate those again here other than to say that I think Detroit and Cleveland (and even perhaps Indy now that Dungy is reported as stepping down later this afternoon), may have "missed the boat" in not selecting Josh McDaniels as their hc as Denver has apparently announced.  Congrats to McDaniels, a DIII product and wishing him all the best in his next position.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 12, 2009, 05:46:11 PM
McDaniels is coach people have heard of, that eliminates him from consideration for the Lions immediately. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2009, 06:20:30 PM
sac, you are right as usual!! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2009, 06:32:27 PM
Have we already forgotten MSU's Darryl Rogers and Izzo's buddy Steve Mariucci?

(We're trying, but the nightmares keep returning.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

How true, how true! ;)  You never cease to amaze me.  Between you and sac on here, "you keep us at the top of our game" or rather, better said, at least trying to be there!  Hope you are doing well.

BTW, it was probably mentioned on one of the other boards of recent if I recall correctly (my apologies for as I've posted some of recent, I haven't been "intently reviewing in great detail every post on the boards"), but what DIII players, if any, have been selected for the "big-time" annual college football all-star bowl games (i.e. Hula, Senior, etc.)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 12, 2009, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2009, 06:32:27 PM
Have we already forgotten MSU's Darryl Rogers and Izzo's buddy Steve Mariucci?

(We're trying, but the nightmares keep returning.)

No but the NFL did.............just two more on the long list of Lions head men who were never again the head man at another NFL franchise.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 18, 2009, 09:00:47 PM
Holy Cow! ::) :D  I posted this over on the MIAA basketball board, however, just had to post this here as well.  While the Great Rivalry Hope/Calvin basketball game was played yesterday, so was the great Hope/Calvin ice hockey rivalry, played at Hope's home ice arena, "The Edge" in north Holland, which I had the great pleasure of attending the game.  Like the basketball game, a huge, intense, very spirited game for both schools.  A capacity, standing room only crowd of well over 1,000 people (possibly 1,500 or more depending on the fire-code regulations of the facilitiy; as additional tickets were sold I think even after it appeared filled - oops!  hopefully, no code violations!).

Anyway, the game was a "barnburner" just like yesterday's basketball game, with the opposite outcome - Hope winning in a Shootout after an Overtime period after the regulation 3 periods ending in a tie.  "Hat's off" to Calvin as their players are very, very fast, intense and skilled skaters and they pounded Hope's net all evening.  However, Hope's players stepped up and persevered playing just as intense a game with Senior starting goalie Mike Headley playing perhaps one of the greatest games of his career and in Hope hockey history.  His fanstastic saves were incredible time after time, which Calvin outshooting Hope by over 2-1 (possibly more - I did not get the final stats) and Headley saved the day and the game by stopping Calvin's last skater's last shot point blank to win the game for Hope, after Hope scored the go-ahead goal during the Shootout (Hope scoring twice, missing one, Calvin scoring one and missing two during the Shootout).

A fantastic win for Hope, great play by Headley and his teammates keeping it going against a very fast Calvin team.  Some people have said Calvin's team is not as good as some of its past recent teams, however, while their record may not reflect that this year, having seen them the past two years, I think this team is better, more talented - which makes Hope's win all that much better!  Congrats to Hope.

Please forgive me posting this "hockey story" here, but just had to share it with you.  Besides, it's still abou the MIAA ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 09:30:23 PM
I understand that Calvin has not beaten Hope in Football in decades!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 18, 2009, 09:39:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 09:30:23 PM
I understand that Calvin has not beaten Hope in Football in decades!  ;D

I believe they would say undefeated. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: sac on January 18, 2009, 09:39:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 09:30:23 PM
I understand that Calvin has not beaten Hope in Football in decades!  ;D

I believe they would say undefeated. ;)
Did Calvin play football before WW II?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 18, 2009, 10:23:56 PM
I don't think they've ever played football, maybe as a club sport back in the leather helmet days.

Never in the MIAA though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 19, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: sac on January 18, 2009, 09:39:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 09:30:23 PM
I understand that Calvin has not beaten Hope in Football in decades!  ;D

I believe they would say undefeated. ;)
Did Calvin play football before WW II?
Quote from: sac on January 18, 2009, 10:23:56 PM
I don't think they've ever played football, maybe as a club sport back in the leather helmet days.

Never in the MIAA though.

sac and Ralph:

According to two published sources containing histories of Calvin College itself and its athletic history and association with the MIAA, Calvin has never engaged in football, no mention of even intramural contests among students (I could not find any reference to any form of football among the sources I personally have - that doesn't mean there not might have been some intramural happenings, perhaps recorded in some paper buried in the library collections at Calvin ;)).  John Timmerman's 1976 Centennial History of Calvin College and the Celebrating the Student Athlete, MIAA Centennial book edited by Head Editor Renner, Myers and Wagner in 1988, relates that Calvin's first athletic association was formed in 1919 with the first team ever being basketball; a group of disgruntled students, formed a team called "The Rivals" playing several area teams, much to the not-so-pleased Calvin administration, which kicked the students out of the college and banned the seniors on the team from taking final exams (ouch! :o ::) :P :( >:(). (p. 76).  Anyway, basketball returned later and was formally run by the students until 1934 when the college formally administrated it, according to the above sources.  Of course, Hope met Calvin in basketball officially sanctioned games well before each joined the MIAA (Hope in 1926 and Calvin in 1953) and as that saying goes..."the rest is history" (including Calvin's refusal to add football to its great athletic programs ;D :( - oops, we won't go there - several of us have had that discussion on here in past years ::) :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 19, 2009, 01:01:18 PM
Addendum:

Most of you have probably heard (or seen) those T-shirts at various colleges who have dropped storied football programs many years ago, which read..."Undefeated in football since XXXX".  Well, I've heard that Calvin students (at some time in the past) have had T-shirts that read "Calvin College, All-Time Undefeated in Football" ;D ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2009, 02:27:00 PM
Long time Hope AD and winningest coach in MIAA history, Ray Smith, announced his retirement today:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 23, 2009, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2009, 02:27:00 PM
Long time Hope AD and winningest coach in MIAA history, Ray Smith, announced his retirement today:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/


Well, I knew it was "coming down the field sometime" in the future, however, I just didn't expect it quite this soon.  I thought it would be awhile yet.  I guess I am slightly surprised yet not, if that makes any sense.  I am not embarrassed to say here that I have the greatest respect and admiration for this man; he is a great family man, devoted husband and father, a man of great Faith, a great friend to his colleagues and also to the many players he coached; as my college coach, he has been and still is a mentor to me and like a "second" dad to me.  As can be seen by the press release announcing his intention to retire, his accomplishments both personal and in the service to Hope College and others are tremendous, although he is a very humble man in all of this.  I am sad  :( to see his era ending, although certainly understand the difficult process and situation I'm sure he is going through when one considers that the time has arrived to make that decision.  Hope College has been very blessed and is so fortunate to have someone as Coach Smith among the many great coaches/administrators and friends it has had in its history.  I wish Coach Smith and his wife Sue all the best in their future (although I would bet - if I was a betting man - that he won't be too far away in watching the Dutchmen in the future ;)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 29, 2009, 07:09:17 PM
As I've been posting on other boards, I guess I should be helping out here to continue to increase our pages!  Anyway, have any of you, especially you "Kazooites", "Albion people" and "Hopesters" heard anything further as to football field improvements at these schools i.e. installation of synthetic turf?  We've discussed this before, yet I was just curious as to any further potential developments.  I am quite sure it will eventually happen at Hope in the not too distant future (not this year though), however, I suspect less likely for Kazoo and Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 30, 2009, 08:49:38 AM
I have not heard of any immediate Field improvements for Albion
I am not a "insider" so take that for what it is worth.
I like the Albion Field great setting and view. The turf itself is sound the issue is inclimate weather and heavy rain can lead to a torn up field.
Several times the JV games have been moved or played at visitors field even as home team, as the field needed a break to be ready for upcoming Varsity game.
I would like a artificial turf for play/upkeep reasons but I like grass for look and feel.

I expect a strong season from Albion next year and the following 3 seasons.
The vast majority of starters returning on Offense and Defense. Numeorus returning starters will be Juniors and Seniors next year. Last years freshman recruits was/is a large class, and had very good size for line play. Several good Athletes came in as QB/Athlete.

The Football Awards banquet was very well attended, by Family, Faculty, President, Academic Directors, Athletic Trainers staff.

I expect a competitive season in the MIAA next year, alot of teams return numerous starters.
As always the goal is to win the MIAA and hopefully the MIAA Champion wins a playoff game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 30, 2009, 10:38:42 AM
D306:

I like the atmosphere of Albion's field/stadium as well.  Being located in the historic area on campus that it is (Albion's original "original" field pre-1900 was just a few yards north of the current field - actually where the building and walkway from the front gates are now before it was moved to present location after 1900).  Knowig that history, overall, IMO it gives that old college traditional atmosphere.

I know what you mean re: the natural turf.  It is nice at Albion except for rain and JV games and that is the same situation at Hope's home stadium Holland Stadium.  We've discussed this before so I won't go into reiterating my opinions and details on this other than to say IMO, a synthetic turf in the long run would be better for both schools for all sports and maintainance.  It will come to Hope eventually; I'm just not sure when, although I know they are discussing it and will continue to do so in "long range" planning.

Thanks for the update on your opinion/projection on Albion's football season for 2009.  I agree with you although I obviously don't know details either i.e. I'm not an "insider" regarding Albion by any means, nonetheless, my general feeling is that they will be much improved.  I believe the same for Hope - it will be a rebuilding year and although they didn't do too well this past season in the overall record as everyone knows, winning the last 3 games was a big boost for them in confidence as well as experience.  Replacing Manning at QB after he was the starter during his entire career will be a major focus.  His previous backup is very capable and a good player, it's just that he has not had the opportunity for extensive playing experience, although he filled in well during the times he did for Manning. 

I was able to talk briefly with some of the underclassmen fb players at a recent Hope hockey game and they related being anxious to start spring sessions and seem to be very positive/excited.  They are currently doing "unofficial" i.e. captain's workouts as we called them in my day ;) now for pre-spring conditioning.  I will know a little more (as will all of you about your school's) once they start actual spring sessions and hopefully by then we'll all know more about how recruiting went this year as well regarding prospective student-athlete football players coming in.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 15, 2009, 03:46:51 PM
OK this is a shameless post to get the MIAA thread rolling again.

Anybody have any inklings of players heading to the MIAA?

Seen/hear visitation of alot of players at Albion, now who and how many are coming is unknown to me.

The boys are off and working on conditioning, the Seniors and Captains are making a commitment to being ready for spring ball in top condition.

I think DIII is going to see an influx of players, with cut backs on funding at many levels of D1 and DII, I think DIII will benefit. The Student Athlete whom has good grades may or may not be seeing the funds they did in the past especially at State schools, I think this leads a few more quality players to DIII.

Dregs of the sports fan time of year, waiting for March Madness and Hockey playoffs. Pro basketball is completely un-watchable. They do not even pretend to follow the rules anymore, walk, carry, isloation game with no ball movement, no heart.
Bring on march Madness and Hockey Playoffs now that is intensity and effort.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 15, 2009, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: D306 on February 15, 2009, 03:46:51 PM
OK this is a shameless post to get the MIAA thread rolling again.

Anybody have any inklings of players heading to the MIAA?

Seen/hear visitation of alot of players at Albion, now who and how many are coming is unknown to me.

The boys are off and working on conditioning, the Seniors and Captains are making a commitment to being ready for spring ball in top condition.

I think DIII is going to see an influx of players, with cut backs on funding at many levels of D1 and DII, I think DIII will benefit. The Student Athlete whom has good grades may or may not be seeing the funds they did in the past especially at State schools, I think this leads a few more quality players to DIII.

Dregs of the sports fan time of year, waiting for March Madness and Hockey playoffs. Pro basketball is completely un-watchable. They do not even pretend to follow the rules anymore, walk, carry, isloation game with no ball movement, no heart.
Bring on march Madness and Hockey Playoffs now that is intensity and effort.



I haven't heard anything regarding Hope's potential prospects, although in part because I haven't had a chance to ask some of the coaches.  Indeed, this is the time of year that many students have been making their on-campus visits.  Most likely we'll have some better idea about the progress of this in the next 3-4 weeks or so.  I'll try to find out regarding Hope and report back later.

Perhaps there, indeed, might be some degree concerning the possible cut-backs you mention.  It will remain to be seen.

I also agree with you about the NBA - I can't stand it.  It has become nothing but a "high level of street ball".  Although, obviously, I am biased to the college game(s) and always enjoy watching the collegiate basketball and hockey national tourneys for all the collegiate divisions (I through III) including the other collegiate leagues/national championships regarding hockey.  Regarding the latter, Hope will be in the American Collegiate Hockey Association National Tournament March 4-7 in Rochester, NY along with 3 other teams in Hope's league (i.e. Saginaw Valley State, Delta College and Grand Valley State.  Calvin failed to qualify for one of the other 2 remaining spots this weekend during the league's qualifying tournament.  Speaking of that, it is too bad that Albion discontinued their hockey team this year in that league.  I realize they struggled, yet they are missed.  Perhaps they can get it reorganized and return in the next year or so.

I haven't checked on Adrian's NCAA D III independent men's (and women's) temas - guess I could have checked their website before posting this -  although I hear via the "rumor mill" that they've done pretty good again this year.  Also, it is surprising that they have a DIII club collegiate team this year similar to Hope, Calvin, Saginaw Valley State, Northwood, Oakland University, Davenport, Grand Valley State, etc. in our league.  With the expansion of hockey at Adrian, apparently this has sparked interest enough to have a collegiate club team as well.  With regard to Hope and Calvin's teams, they are essentially "virtual varsity" as the college supports them quite well although obviously not able to 100% to "elevate" them to the full varsity status.  Nonetheless, this is still collegiate hockey (and not some "rinky dink" league type of play). 

Anyway, thanks for the "stimulus" package for posting here D306.  Perhaps you'll spark some of our fellow posters to start posting again here, at least on occasion, before the pre-pre-season "banter" starts for football again. ;D



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 15, 2009, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 15, 2009, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: D306 on February 15, 2009, 03:46:51 PM
OK this is a shameless post to get the MIAA thread rolling again.

Anybody have any inklings of players heading to the MIAA?

Seen/hear visitation of alot of players at Albion, now who and how many are coming is unknown to me.

The boys are off and working on conditioning, the Seniors and Captains are making a commitment to being ready for spring ball in top condition.

I think DIII is going to see an influx of players, with cut backs on funding at many levels of D1 and DII, I think DIII will benefit. The Student Athlete whom has good grades may or may not be seeing the funds they did in the past especially at State schools, I think this leads a few more quality players to DIII.

Dregs of the sports fan time of year, waiting for March Madness and Hockey playoffs. Pro basketball is completely un-watchable. They do not even pretend to follow the rules anymore, walk, carry, isloation game with no ball movement, no heart.
Bring on march Madness and Hockey Playoffs now that is intensity and effort.



I haven't heard anything regarding Hope's potential prospects, although in part because I haven't had a chance to ask some of the coaches.  Indeed, this is the time of year that many students have been making their on-campus visits.  Most likely we'll have some better idea about the progress of this in the next 3-4 weeks or so.  I'll try to find out regarding Hope and report back later.

Perhaps there, indeed, might be some degree concerning the possible cut-backs you mention.  It will remain to be seen.

I also agree with you about the NBA - I can't stand it.  It has become nothing but a "high level of street ball".  Although, obviously, I am biased to the college game(s) and always enjoy watching the collegiate basketball and hockey national tourneys for all the collegiate divisions (I through III) including the other collegiate leagues/national championships regarding hockey.  Regarding the latter, Hope will be in the American Collegiate Hockey Association National Tournament March 4-7 in Rochester, NY along with 3 other teams in Hope's league (i.e. Saginaw Valley State, Delta College and Grand Valley State.  Calvin failed to qualify for one of the other 2 remaining spots this weekend during the league's qualifying tournament.  Speaking of that, it is too bad that Albion discontinued their hockey team this year in that league.  I realize they struggled, yet they are missed.  Perhaps they can get it reorganized and return in the next year or so.

I haven't checked on Adrian's NCAA D III independent men's (and women's) temas - guess I could have checked their website before posting this -  although I hear via the "rumor mill" that they've done pretty good again this year.  Also, it is surprising that they have a DIII club collegiate team this year similar to Hope, Calvin, Saginaw Valley State, Northwood, Oakland University, Davenport, Grand Valley State, etc. in our league.  With the expansion of hockey at Adrian, apparently this has sparked interest enough to have a collegiate club team as well.  With regard to Hope and Calvin's teams, they are essentially "virtual varsity" as the college supports them quite well although obviously not able to 100% to "elevate" them to the full varsity status.  Nonetheless, this is still collegiate hockey (and not some "rinky dink" league type of play). 

Anyway, thanks for the "stimulus" package for posting here D306.  Perhaps you'll spark some of our fellow posters to start posting again here, at least on occasion, before the pre-pre-season "banter" starts for football again. ;D





To respond first to the hockey questions:  Adrian's NCAA women's hockey team is ranked 9th in the country with a 17-5-1 record.  The men's NCAA team is, firstly, not an independent, but is a member of the MCHA.  They just finished their conference regular season, and were overall 23-1-1, and 20-0 in the conference.  They're ranked 8th in the country right now.

Also, Adrian has not one, but two men's club hockey teams.  This is the first year for the Club DIII team, and they appear to have struggled a bit, looks like they finished the season at 6-10.  The other club team is ACHA DI, and plays against Michigan, Eastern, MSU, as well as schools like Villanova, Arizona, Arizona State, etc.  They're sitting slightly above .500 with a couple of games remaining in their season. 

I was a little bit surprised to see a second ACHA team added this season.  I don't have any numbers in front of me, but hockey in general might have started to rival football for number of athletes at Adrian nowadays. with 3 men's teams and one women's team.

As for recruiting news from Lenawee County, I really haven't heard much.  I know in my various trips down there for basketball games that I've seen numerous recruits parading through campus, so recruiting efforts are certainly in full swing, but that's no surprise.  I'll be interesting to see if DIII gets that bump in talent level.  If so, I hope many of these student athletes make the right choice and come to Adrian! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 16, 2009, 08:43:24 AM
bulldogalum:

Thanks much for the update on Adrian hockey.  I forgot that their NCAA DIII varsity team was in a conference.  Now that I recall, they were actually snubbed last year for the national regional playoffs as they should have been selected.  Among the hockey circles of parents, administrators, etc., I heard it was one of those usual cases of "politics" and I believe it was one of those "jealousy" situations i.e. people surprised they did so well in their first year and thus they "discounted" who they played as being a weaker schedule.  IMO, when you have a record like they did last year in their first year, a team deserves to get in the tourney.  Anyway, glad to see they have done well and hopefully they'll "get a shot at it" this year (pun intended  ;D ;)).

As far as Adrian's other ACHA teams, that is just simply amazing.  The interest at Adrian in hockey is phenominal, although obviously I'm sure it helps to have one's own ice arena right on campus.  What many people don't realize is that organizations like ACHA (or the U.S. Lacrosse Association and it's various leagues such as the Central Collegiate Lacrosse Association to which U of Mich, MSU, Hope, Calvin, etc. belong to for that sport) govern actual collegiate hockey i.e. this is not intramural hockey as some misinformed people (fans) erroneously think.  While the talent in these may not be overall on the tier of the varsity programs, still even at schools like MSU and U of Mich who have DI NCAA full varsity teams, their club collegiate hockey teams are high level programs.  These programs hold try-outs and have cuts and in some instances, occasionally a player might eventually be invited/elevated on to the varsity team.  In reality, at many (although not all) schools, their club collegiate hockey and lacrosse programs are "virtual varsity" programs - which basically means they are run like varsity programs under the auspices of the college, usually under the college student organization administrators i.e. actual high lever college administrators and not students (and in which have the actual final say in many/most significant decsions for the program including scheduling, overseen by the AD).  The college pays for a portion of the budget, although the players, their parents and boosters are responsible for raising the other funds, coaches are actually paid (and hired by the the school), just to mention a few aspects of these programs.  I know at Hope, the college pays for all the ice arena ice rental for all practices and games, head coach is paid (not much  ;D), school allows use of the college's team bus, school colors, logo, etc., and even the SID and his department have very kindly given the program tremendous support.

So while hockey may not become a full varsity sport at Hope and Calvin for quite some time (although they should be now IMO) due to the economy, hopefully someday that will occur.  The difference is, I believe, that Hope and Calvin have not had the enrollment issues that Adrian faced before the latter decided to assist in that regard by its president starting your "Renaissance Program" that was so instrumental in helping improve and stablize enrollement at Adrian.  Also, lacrosse in the MIAA is close to becoming full varsity sponsored sports (thus joining in with Adrian and Trine) and will most likely be designated as such well before hockey does (in part due to the Title IX aspects as Hope, Calvin, Adrian, Trine all have women's lacrosse programs at their respective categories at present), yet all this is apparently on hold right now due to the econonmy situation.  However, at least we have these programs and that is better than "nothing at all".

Thanks for your input in all of Adrian's sports for us.  I know that this is a football board and in that regard, most of us would like to be posting more football topics, but hey...it's the off-season so what do you/we expect??!!! ;D   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 18, 2009, 07:26:35 PM
Sad news today for college football fans in our state.  Former Michigan State great Brad Van Pelt was found dead this AM at his residence in Harrison, MI as reported by WLNS Channel 6 News on their early evening TV news broadcast.  Van Pelt, who was from Owosso, MI was one of Michigan State's all-time great football stars, he was starting safety, won All-Big Ten honors (and All-American I believe) and went on to a 14 year career in the NFL as a LB (for the NY Giants as I recall).  He was also a 7 letterwinner at Michigan State where he started on the basketball and baseball teams.  As a very young kid, I remember his playing days well, even though my dad was a U of Mich grad and thus me being a U of Mich fan   He was a great player and in his recent years, in great shape and a great golfer.  He would have been 58 y/o later this spring.  Although I did not know him, my condolences to his family and friends.  A shame, but then again, we all know that..."it isn't our call". 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 18, 2009, 08:06:05 PM
BTW, it is difficult to believe that DIII baseball season will begin in 3 weeks.  Hope starts their season March 13th with games on their Spring Trip in Florida.  But that just means that football season is not far behind. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2009, 05:49:37 PM
This may have been "overlooked" perhaps, yet does anyone have any comments regarding QB Steven Threet's (Adrian native) announcement that he is transferring from Michigan?  I wonder what goes?  Seems he is not quite sure just what he wants to do.  He enrolls early at Georgia Tech in 2007, then transfers to Michigan early fall and has to sit out the 2007 season.  He then starts 8 of Michigan's games this past season in 2008.  Now unless he transfers down a level to DII or DIII (or FCS), he'll have to sit out another season.  I think if he is smart, he'll go to a school where he doesn't have to sit out another year.  Then again, I'm not sure that he know just what the heck he wants to do.   Thoughts anyone? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 19, 2009, 06:02:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 19, 2009, 05:49:37 PM
This may have been "overlooked" perhaps, yet does anyone have any comments regarding QB Steven Threet's (Adrian native) announcement that he is transferring from Michigan?  I wonder what goes?  Seems he is not quite sure just what he wants to do.  He enrolls early at Georgia Tech in 2007, then transfers to Michigan early fall and has to sit out the 2007 season.  He then starts 8 of Michigan's games this past season in 2008.  Now unless he transfers down a level to DII or DIII (or FCS), he'll have to sit out another season.  I think if he is smart, he'll go to a school where he doesn't have to sit out another year.  Then again, I'm not sure that he know just what the heck he wants to do.   Thoughts anyone? 

I hear that bulldogalum has him on stake-out 24/7! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bulldogalum on February 19, 2009, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 19, 2009, 06:02:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 19, 2009, 05:49:37 PM
This may have been "overlooked" perhaps, yet does anyone have any comments regarding QB Steven Threet's (Adrian native) announcement that he is transferring from Michigan?  I wonder what goes?  Seems he is not quite sure just what he wants to do.  He enrolls early at Georgia Tech in 2007, then transfers to Michigan early fall and has to sit out the 2007 season.  He then starts 8 of Michigan's games this past season in 2008.  Now unless he transfers down a level to DII or DIII (or FCS), he'll have to sit out another season.  I think if he is smart, he'll go to a school where he doesn't have to sit out another year.  Then again, I'm not sure that he know just what the heck he wants to do.   Thoughts anyone? 

I hear that bulldogalum has him on stake-out 24/7! ;)

You must have me on stake-out 24/7! 

I really can't figure what the deal is with Threet's decision to transfer.  Certainly it's possible that one of the freshmen would beat him for the starting spot, but my guess is that it would have been at least a 50% chance that he'd be the guy at the beginning of the year next season.  As a Michigan fan, I appreciated the effort he gave last season, despite his struggles.  I think Michigan is a worse team in the short run because of his transfer.  All I can hope is that things work out well, both for him and for the Wolverines.  Of course, if he chose to place a call to Coach Lyall, I wouldn't complain either ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 23, 2009, 02:45:41 PM
2009 Albion schedule

Butler Away: Tough way to start season, nice little rivalry forming with so many games recently.

Thiel Away: Wonder which Thiel it will be, very tough for a few years then faded last year.

Milliken Home: Dominated Albion at Milliken last year, perennial powerhouse program. Will be a real barometer as both teams will have games under their belts.

Bye Week

Olivet Home: Rough year last year for the Comets after a Championship year, always expect a tough physical game from Olivet.

Hope Away: Finished strong last year, always a strong team. Depends on new QB for Hope. Well coached and typically large on the lines.

Adrian Away: Adrian has been on a roll vs Albion maybe this year the Brits break the streak, Adrian losses some Offensive staples. Tough to read Adrian I thought they were the best team last year in league. May come into the year with a fired up team looking to prove a point.

Marian Indiana Home:  Fairly new Team to DIII from what website says, large roster a lot of transfers this year, many from Indiana State coming in.

Trine Home: Trine will be tough again a lot of talent returning from their Undefeated season. Expect another good team I really like the support the school has been supplying to the Thunder lately and it shows in the product on the field.

Kazoo Away:  Year 2 for new coaching staff expect even more aggressive and skilled Kazoo team.

Alma Home:  Brits need to return the favor Alma jumped on Albion early last year, Brits never could bring it back. Alma looks much the same team every year to me, just a matter of a break or 2 as to the final record. Speaks well of the coaching staff.

Looks like a competitive season with some good out of conference games mixed in.

I expect a good Albion team in 2009 the answer comes from getting the offense moving, need some sustained drives and field position.  Albion needs to be a little more aggressive on the defensive pressure also as teams are running the spread more, Defenses can not sit back and play read and contain. A lot of starters returning for Junior and Senior years.  Waiting for QB and OL situation to clarify before I can take a serious guess at record.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 24, 2009, 09:35:36 PM
Nice analysis D306.  I thought that Marian was an NAIA Mid-States program that offered football scholarships - I could be wrong however.  Their coach (Kerras) is a former Northwestern player, former Head Coach at Rose Hulman and also the nephew of Alex K of Detroit Lions fans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 24, 2009, 10:00:16 PM
D3DB

I checked again the website and you are correct.

NAIA program. Scholarships are part of the program.

Should be another tough game, I trust this has Albion ready for a run at the MIAA title. 

Regarding Lions: I am worried the Lions are drafting a QB bad move.
I want Linemen, Oline and Dline. A LB would be nice.
Sad to see Orlovsky leave, Culpepper is done has been for years.
Anderson is available trade for him, sign him or another veteran for a year, then get Colt McCoy or Bradford next year.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 24, 2009, 10:40:49 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 18, 2009, 07:26:35 PM
Sad news today for college football fans in our state.  Former Michigan State great Brad Van Pelt was found dead this AM at his residence in Harrison, MI as reported by WLNS Channel 6 News on their early evening TV news broadcast.  Van Pelt, who was from Owosso, MI was one of Michigan State's all-time great football stars, he was starting safety, won All-Big Ten honors (and All-American I believe) and went on to a 14 year career in the NFL as a LB (for the NY Giants as I recall).  He was also a 7 letterwinner at Michigan State where he started on the basketball and baseball teams.  As a very young kid, I remember his playing days well, even though my dad was a U of Mich grad and thus me being a U of Mich fan   He was a great player and in his recent years, in great shape and a great golfer.  He would have been 58 y/o later this spring.  Although I did not know him, my condolences to his family and friends.  A shame, but then again, we all know that..."it isn't our call". 

They had a moment of silence at the MSU/Wisconsin game Sunday for 3 Spartans that had passed away.   I was quite shocked to here Brad VanPelt's name.  I was to young to remember his playing days, but growing up around Lansing and with an uncle at Michigan State I'm quite sure I met him many years ago at a baseball game.


Quote from: formerd3db on February 19, 2009, 05:49:37 PM
This may have been "overlooked" perhaps, yet does anyone have any comments regarding QB Steven Threet's (Adrian native) announcement that he is transferring from Michigan?  I wonder what goes?  Seems he is not quite sure just what he wants to do.  He enrolls early at Georgia Tech in 2007, then transfers to Michigan early fall and has to sit out the 2007 season.  He then starts 8 of Michigan's games this past season in 2008.  Now unless he transfers down a level to DII or DIII (or FCS), he'll have to sit out another season.  I think if he is smart, he'll go to a school where he doesn't have to sit out another year.  Then again, I'm not sure that he know just what the heck he wants to do.   Thoughts anyone? 


There are 4 ways to look at this..........

A (the preferred outlook)  Tate Forcier has been so impressive in workouts that Steve just said 'damn' and decided he wouldn't play behind either of the two Freshmen recruits (the only 2 QB's on scholarship).   May the ghosts of Ron Powlus' four Heisman's rain down on the Michigan hype machine.  Go Tate.


B.   Steve just decided the spread offense was not his calling (duh!) and actually believes he'll be a better QB in a better system somewhere else, and still holds a shred of belief he can make a career out of football.  Either that or he's just one confused kid who hasn't found a school to his likeing.

C.  Nick Sheridan has improved............no seriously. :D

D.  Everything they've said about Rich Rodriguez is true. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 25, 2009, 02:51:38 PM
A voice from Grand Rapids ...

In the midst of roundball season, its good to see some MIAA football chat on here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on February 25, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
Is it too early to put a finger on incoming football players at d3 schools? I'm guessing that most all of the dI & dII schools have accounted for their incoming scholarship players, and the rest of the high school seniors are sorting out what their options are. Any word of mouth on who some MIAA schools are "probably" bringing in?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 26, 2009, 04:46:36 PM
RFMichigan:

It is usually the accepted "norm" that as you inquire, indeed, it is too early to evaluate just exactly how recruiting results are for most DIII schools.  While many players commit early to the small schools (mostly those who are not going to be DI or DII material and/or simply have chosen to go to a small school), in part some of this is due to the financial aspects.  Overall, it is not usually seen until reporting at pre-season camp the first day just how many actually show up out of the "recruiting list".  No doubt the coaching staffs at our various MIAA schools have some idea to date how their recruiting has fared, although I have not yet had the opportunity to talk with any of Hope's staff to gain some preliminary information.

BTW, welcome to our board and glad to have you with us.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 26, 2009, 05:13:17 PM
On the OAC board, there has been an interesting discussion on attendance figures for this recently completed DIII 2008 season after our webmaster's nice article regarding the same on the main page of this website.   You can check some of the comments on the OAC site there.  With regard to our own MIAA, I summarized the figures and present them here along with my some of my personal comments/observations for your enjoyment and review; also I invite your own comments/observations about this.  At any rate, the 2008 MIAA football attendance figures are as follows:

*Statistics include home games only (Disclaimer: my apologies for any errors, mathmatics not my specialty and I also claim "old age" ;D)

Hope
Stadium:  Holland Munincipal  (Capacity: 5,325)
Game       Attendance       Total: 14,630  Avg: 2926
Ill Wes                       4050
Wheaton                   3870
Trine                         3900
Olivet                        1910
Alma                            900

Olivet
Stadium:  Cutler Athletic Complex (at Griswold/Reed Field)Capcty: 2200
Game            Attendance  Total: 4400  Avg: 880
Elmhurst                       375
North Central (IA)         585
Albion                          2050
Alma                              855
Adrian                            555

Trine
Stadium: Shive  Capacity: 2500
Game               Attendance  Total: 18,686 Avg. 3737
Manchester                    3468
Franklin                          4379
Alma                               3568
Olivet                             3579
Albion                            3692
*Does not include NCAA Playoff home game vs. Wheaton

Albion
Stadium:  Sprankle-Sprandel Capacity 4244
Game                Attendance   Total: 14108 Avg: 2351
Butler                                3246
Thiel                                  1472
Central IA                          3248
Hope                                  2033
Adrian                                2237
Kazoo                                1872

Alma
Stadium: Bahlke Capacity 4,700
Game                       Attendance  Total: 6905 Avg: 1151
Bluffton (OH)                          1460
Rockford (IL)                          1175
UW-River Falls                       2351
Kazoo                                    1015
Adrian                                    1193
Albion                                    1013

Adrian
Stadium: Multi-Sport Performance Capacity 3,000
Game                      Attendance  Total 11121 Avg: 2224
Defaince                                 1250
Bluffton                                   1833
Kazoo                                      3304
Hope                                        1690
Trine                                        3044

Kazoo
Stadium:  Angell  Capacity 3,000
Game                        Attendance    Total: 4525 Avg 905
Denison                                       750
Manchester                                  550
Olivet                                           875
Trine                                           1450
Hope                                             900


Observations:
Highest home attendance for most MIAA schools was obviously at Homecomings.
Trine obviously led the league in attendance: winning always aids that as Olivet can attest to from 2007.  Hope, despite having a poor record this year, did quite well at home attendance - they are always well supported by the community.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 26, 2009, 05:16:58 PM
I forgot to add one comment (I wanted to post my typed stats before I accidentally got "kicked" off the log in site since I didn't do it for "unlimited" time, but rather the one hour limit ;D).  Anyway, what I wanted to also add is that having smaller capacity stadiums does help in the "psychological" department at least for scenary in that with decent crowds, it just looks better when the stadium is near or more full as opposed to having a huge stadium and a "dinky" crowd.  For that reason, IMO, the small colleges need to build stadiums with that in mind according to their usual and reasonable yearly avg home attendance figures.  A nice small stadium with individual seating, all the new aspects and other ammenities is just as nice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 27, 2009, 10:53:10 AM
Additional:

I belive that Hope would have averaged more than 3,000 fans per game were it not for the Alma game.  The latter, which drew only 900 obviously brought the average down when you look at the attendance figures.  However, it was the last game of the season due to the rescheduling resulting from the campus closedown from the virus, it was a meaningless game per se (except with respect to the seniors) and it was extremely cold and snowy.  The latter is okay, I guess, when your team is involved in the playoffs, but for a season ending game in the context of some of the above parameters, not too many fans are going to come out and endure the inclement/cold weather other than parents, college administrators, some die-hard students and fans! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on March 02, 2009, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 24, 2009, 09:35:36 PM
Nice analysis D306.  I thought that Marian was an NAIA Mid-States program that offered football scholarships - I could be wrong however.  Their coach (Kerras) is a former Northwestern player, former Head Coach at Rose Hulman and also the nephew of Alex K of Detroit Lions fans.

This is correct. And former K men's basketball coach, Joe Haklin,  is the Marian Athletic Director.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 03, 2009, 06:55:38 PM
Thanks for the reminder, Stinger.  I had totally forgotten that Haklin had left Kazoo for Marian after his long career at the former.  Remember also, as I recall, he was an assistant football coach at Kazoo after he stepped down as bb coach there before he left for Marian, as you know.

BTW, have you heard through the rumor mill and/or via your own sources any news about Kazoo's fb recruiting so far?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 20, 2009, 10:05:03 AM
I am thinking that many of the teams are starting "spring ball" in the next couple weeks.

Excited to hear some comments and thoughts.

Hoping to see if Albion QB Krauss is healthy, prior to serious knee injury senior year in HS, Krauss had several D1 offers as well as Ivy League options. Choose Albion for proximity and the Gerstacker Institute resources. He was red shirted in 08 due to injury. Above average student and athlete.

UofM held up their end in NCAA hoping to see a long run for MSU, and some more Big Ten wins. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 24, 2009, 10:47:17 PM
Not heard much as yet D306.  With Hope just returning yesterday from Spring Break (baseball team returning from Florida trip/games), things will start to get back into action with lacrosse resuming, football practices soon to follow.

BTW, as I'm sure most of you have now seen, Colorado College dropped football.  That is sad news as it was a storied program (see my post over on the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference board regarding this).  With tight economic times, it wouldn't surprise me that some of the smaller DIII schools are going to face some tough choices regarding their athletic programs. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on March 29, 2009, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 24, 2009, 10:47:17 PM
Not heard much as yet D306.  With Hope just returning yesterday from Spring Break (baseball team returning from Florida trip/games), things will start to get back into action with lacrosse resuming, football practices soon to follow.

BTW, as I'm sure most of you have now seen, Colorado College dropped football.  That is sad news as it was a storied program (see my post over on the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference board regarding this).  With tight economic times, it wouldn't surprise me that some of the smaller DIII schools are going to face some tough choices regarding their athletic programs. 
I just saw that Colorado College dropped their program and it wouldn't surprise me to see other programs in the nation following suit. (I wrote about this in the Northern Athletic Conference board more extensively) It seems that CC has some other major factors at work in their athletic department:
     1) They're funding a dI hockey prgram at a cost of $1 million per year.
     2) Their closest football conference rival was 600 miles away and they therefore had to fly to all their away games. Yikes!

I told this news to my brother whose son was being recruited by a DII school in the Mountain Time zone, and he was shocked to hear that CC was the only football playing school in that time zone.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 29, 2009, 04:59:48 PM
In Division III, yes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 29, 2009, 06:41:56 PM
CC having to travel that much and I am sure Title IX probably came into play.
Too bad they could not have enough interest to be a D1 were they had local competition. Admittedly this would only increase the cost.
Funny how they can be D1 in Hockey as it is thought of as a smaller sport in interest, goes to show what can be supported if there is interest.

I am sure there will be more DIII teams to be in trouble, the economy and the cost of DIII schools will reduce the number of DIII students and monies available.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 29, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
RFMichigan and D306:

Pat has already pointed out the "time zone" aspect applying to DIII.  Yet, the Colorado School of the Mines, Northern Colorado and Mesa State are in the Mountain time zone since those schools are in Colorado.  However, they are DII football programs, with the exception of Northern Colorado which went DIAA (oops, I mean FCS ;D).  IMO, if CC had made a decision to continue football, their better option would have been to go to DII or DIAA, since there are more programs at those levels in their region.  Obviously, though, going that route would have increased costs via scholarships, of which $ was the issue/problem as has been told already.  Remember also, that CC had used to be a major football program just a few decades ago, but began to deemphasize their program back in the 1960's.  If you have ever seen their published football history (I have) it is very interesting (at least in the "old days" and including the 1920's - late 1950's, early 1960's).  As someone noted on one of the other boards, their stadium Washburn (which used to be huge and is set into the hillside on campus) is one of the oldest in that region (1898 I believe).  You might recall also, that just in the early 1990's, they have very good success with two current Albion coaches being the head coaches there, so that is just another reason why it is sad to see them drop the program.

As far as the Title IX issue, as has been mentioned on one of the other boards already, I don't believe that was an issue since women's softball was dropped as well.  I am glad they play DI hockey as that is a neat situation, but IMO, dropping football is a mistake.  They could raise the $ easily if they really wanted to.  I only point to Michigan Tech, which as many of you will recall, was going to drop their historic football program in the early 2000's, yet their supporters, fans, boosters, etc., raised $3 million in about 3 months to save the program and have now developed a sustaining program for that.  Then they had that 51,000 attendance at the game with Grand Valley about 4 years ago at U of Mich stadium.  So, even though it may have cost CC $ to continue the program at DII, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have been less $ as compared to their overall travel costs and, again, I it is my understanding they have a fair amount of alumni who could contribute to sustain the program if they wanted to (of course, we were not informed of the process and/or more in-depth details as to just how they made the unfortunate decision to drop football).

Bottom line, IMO, is that if school's really want to save their football programs if this becomes an increasing issue for the smaller DIII schools, there is still a way to do that - it is not impossible.  Unfortunately, not all the administrations are interested in doing that - IMO, many want to take the easy way out - it is always easier to drop a program (regardless if it is sports or otherwise) - then again, that's the way many in our society act in today's era, which is unfortunate.  Oh, sorry, I'll get off my "soap box" now. ;D ;)  Anyway, thanks for the interesting discussion friends - especially since we needed some further "spring" activity on this board!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 29, 2009, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: D306 on March 29, 2009, 06:41:56 PM
CC having to travel that much and I am sure Title IX probably came into play.

This is totally an aside but I was flabergasted and then some to hear there were two members of a local school board who didn't know what title IX was.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 29, 2009, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: sac on March 29, 2009, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: D306 on March 29, 2009, 06:41:56 PM
CC having to travel that much and I am sure Title IX probably came into play.

This is totally an aside but I was flabergasted and then some to hear there were two members of a local school board who didn't know what title IX was.

Good grief, that is absurd on their part. :o ::) :P  Actually, it is more than that as it is simply unacceptable that people in those positions do not have a clue.  Perhaps that is one of the reasons (albeit small and obviously not the main reasons :o ::)) why our school districts are having problems in many areas. ;D ;)  I suppose I could make some speculative opinions as to why they didn't know about this, however,...it's probably best I just leave this as is.  Anyway, sac, thanks for tonight's good tongue-in-cheek laugh!:P ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 31, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
Albion starts spring practice April 1st Wednesday.

Some kind of cruel joke by the coachs? :D

Actually scheduled to start Last Sunday but the snow and sleet lead them to delay until Wednesday let weather and field improve.

Does anyone know if any teams are taking a spring game overseas this year. In the current financial situaction that would be a tough game to sell to some families to pay for their son's trip.

Tigers Good move letting Sheffield go, get a better fielder and speed out there. Have to play these young guys and build some kind of future.
Pitching staff will be the issue again this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 09, 2009, 02:54:32 PM
Please excuse this cross-posting, however, I just wanted to mention that Hope College continued its unbelievable lacrosse season so far when it defeated Saginaw Valley State University last evening 21-5!  For those interested, you can read my post over on the lacrosse boards (DIII club team link).  A tremendous accomplishment for Hope.

Anyway, I hope all of you have a blessed and enjoyable Easter weekend with your family and friends for those who hold that holiday.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on April 13, 2009, 10:53:13 AM
I have no idea what it takes to launch a D3 lacrosse program, but why doesn't Hope move from a club team to a D3 team like Adrian and Trine?  It would be great to have more MIAA/local teams with actual D3 lacrosse programs to compete against. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 13, 2009, 08:59:11 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on April 13, 2009, 10:53:13 AM
I have no idea what it takes to launch a D3 lacrosse program, but why doesn't Hope move from a club team to a D3 team like Adrian and Trine?  It would be great to have more MIAA/local teams with actual D3 lacrosse programs to compete against. 

LIT:

I posted this quite a while back on the lacrosse board (in the DIII club lacrosse teams section) and you may inadvertently missed it, however, I will relay the informaton again here for those who are interested.  Hope (and perhaps Calvin) is (are) the closest to elevating lacrosse for both men and women to varsity status.  You may have not heard, however, back in June last year (2008) the MIAA Presidents and ADs voted to have the MIAA make both men's and women's lacrosse varsity sports, thus Hope, Calvin, Albion and Alma will eventually be joining Adrian and Trine.  The Title IX issue was not necessarily a problem, since both Hope and Calvin already have women's club lacrosse teams; Alma and Albion said they would form them, it is my understanding.  Both Hope and Calvin's teams are already run like varisty sports already i.e. "virtual varsity".  In addition, the MIAA administration was not going to force Olivet and Kalamazoo to begin lacrosse programs, however, they did request them to immediately do a feasibility study and long range planning.  I have not heard the results of those as yet.  Anyway, varsity play in the MIAA was to begin for next year spring 2010 season.

However, unfortunately, that decision was put on hold back in December 2008 (i.e. 4 months ago) as the MIAA decided to hold off for at least another year due to the economic situation that hit the nation.  While some of that is understandable, on the other hand, I do not agree with it since, at least at Hope (I can't speak for Calvin) they are funding the sport substantially quite a bit (jerseys bought, coach paid) and similar to their hockey team, although obviously, the lacrosse student-athletes still have to pay to play and due their own fundraising.  Nonetheless, the college administration still has the overall control and overseeing of the program.  Also at Hope, the college administration has been very supportive of the program including the public relations department which has helped in publicity and the website on the college athletic website; also, use of college vans has been graciously allowed.   And in recent news, it was recently learned that the renovations to the college's soccar field will also include provisions for lacrosse; there will be a nice stadium to be used for both sports, seating for 800-1000 in a nice stadium grandstands and the new style artificial turf.

Thus, in view of all the current status and support (including financially), I can't imagine that it would cost the college that much more to make the program "officially" varsity status.  Certainly, travel costs would not increase substantially.  IMO, there is no reason not to do it, but I believe that Hope and Calvin are probably waiting until at least some of the other MIAA schools decide to go the full route, even though Alma and Albion said they would last year.  So that is disappointing, but where it stands now.  I believe that, at least at Hope, lacrosse will eventually become a varsity sport and before their hockey program does, although both should be at least independent DIII programs now IMO.  All that being said, in reality, Hope and Calvin are already playing collegiate lacrosse as even though these are club programs, it is still collegiate lacrosse.  Recruiting has improved likewise, in getting even more talented, experienced h.s. lacrosse players (as can be seen by Hope's marked improvement this year).

One last aspect; in view of the national economic situaton, which has affected the colleges to some degree, perhaps an additional reason for the delay at Hope and Calvin is that they have not seen the need to use lacrosse (and hockey) as a potential additional modality for enrollment recruitment/increase, unlike Adrian has successfully used lacrosse, hockey and skating.  Hope and Calvin both have had a an increase in applications this year over last and enrollments will not decline. 

Anyway, that is what the status is for now and I hope that is some helpful info to update you and other of our colleagues here.  Again, though, I do agree with you that it is feasible for at least Hope and Calvin to "do it now".  We'll just have to be patient ;D ::).     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 13, 2009, 09:11:42 PM
BTW, Hope's lacrosse program is one of the oldest in the state.  They actually played the likes of Michigan State, U of Mich, Ohio State and Clemson "way back when" (got blasted by those teams, but still a great experience for those guys! ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on April 14, 2009, 08:52:48 AM
formerd3db - thank you so much for taking the time to provide the info on MIAA lacrosse.  I really appreciate it.  My nephew plays for Trine.  I'll be sure to send him your post so he can see what's happening in the MIAA (if he doesn't already know this info).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 15, 2009, 10:26:00 PM
LIR:

You are most welcome.  BTW, Hope beat Calvin in lacrosse @ Calvin last evening 18-8 ensuring Hope a spot in the CCLA playoffs and the first season of beating Calvin in all games for the season.  I can't believe how well Hope is doing in lacrosse this year.  A big test will be against Grand Valley State University this Saturday.  I Hope we play better against them than we did last year.  Best of luck to your nephew at Trine in his lacrosse.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 01, 2009, 09:26:22 PM
Please forgive this posting here (I posted this over on the lacrosse page, DIII club teams), however, wanted to share it with you MIAA colleagues here.  Hope College defeated Oakland University in today's Quarter-finals opening round of the Central Collegiate Lacrosse Association's Tournament at Saline, MI in an exciting overtime game, 16-15!  This is Hope's first ever appearance in the CCLA playoffs (any playoffs for that matter).  They face Davenport Univesity tomorrow in a Semi-final game at 12:00 Noon.  The winner of today's Grove City (PA) College/Grand Valley State University game will play the University of Dayton tomorrow in the other semi-final, with the CCLA Championship game slated for Sunday May 3rd.  The CCLA Champion will then receive the bid to the National Collegiate Championships sponsored by the U.S. Lacrosse Association. 

A great accomplishment for Hope's lacrosse program.  Best wishes to the team and Coach Mike Schanhals and staff for tomorrow's game.  GO HOPE!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 01, 2009, 11:47:48 PM
Not to break up d3db's excellent Hope lacrosse updates but I've been meaning to post this list for a few days now and kept forgetting.


This list of football "commitments" appeared in the Lansing State Journal, unfortunately it only provides names and not positions.

Dan Allen, Mason -- Mount Union College (Ohio)

Wes Dolen, East Lansing -- Albion College
David Lopez, Holt -- Trine
Jesse Meyer, Olivet -- Olivet College
Seth Murray, Alma - Alma College
Jacob Schafer, Portland -- Olivet College
Justin Schafer, Portland -- Olivet College
Wes Sherman, Haslett -- Albion College
Ryan Smith, Carson City-Crystal -- Olivet College
Brian Spencer, East Lansing -- Albion College
Julius Widman, Fulton -- Alma College





Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 02, 2009, 09:17:43 AM
To add a little info to some of the players listed in SAC thread

Wes Dolan LB/TE from East Lansing  6" 200 Pds. CAAC league LB

Brian Spencer WR/DB from East Lansing no stats CAAC league WR

Wes Sherman RB/DB from Halsett  no stats CAAC league RB

This is what I could gather looking at LSJ newpaper archives.
Looks like some good skill players, heading to Albion wish them the best in the Academics and Football efforts.

I will try to get more info on other Albion or MIAA players I am aware of.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 04, 2009, 03:06:23 PM
Thanks sac and D306 for the football updates and for sac's kind comments.  I did not get the opportunity to talk with our football coaches at Hope during yesterday's graduation ceremonies, however, plan to do so in the near future.  However, I suspect that Hope did not fare as well this year in mid-Michigan recruiting due to the uncharacteristic poor season this past fall.  On the other hand, one might tend to think that some recuits would possibly see that as an opportunity to come in a make a significant conribution right away.  Yet, as we all know, it is difficult for that to happen unless someone is in the right place at the right time and...if the "#'s game" at one's position is just right for that particular year.

As far as the lacrosse update, Hope bowed out in the semi-final on Saturday after an extremely valient effort against Davenport University 20-17 (actually, the score was 20-18, however, the refs incorrectly took a goal away against Hope).  Hope came close to pulling the upset.  I hate to say this, however, must comment as many times it appeared the officials did not want Hope to win.  The calls were very one sided, although I will also say that this did not cause Hope to lose.  Nonetheless, it is disappointing to see such blatently inconsistent officiating in such a game.  Anyway, Hope played well and had they played Grand Valley State during the weekend, they may very well have had the opportunity to pull the upset there also.  GVSU did not play anywhere near like it did when it beat Hope 2 weeks ago 23-13 as GVSU struggled against Grove City College and then lost to the University of Dayton, the CCLA Div II Champion which now goes to the National Championships.

In CCLA Div I, U of Mich played U of Buffalo in the Championship yesterday, although I do not know the outcome as the results were not posted as of this AM on the CCLA Tournament website.  Michigan State lost to Buffalo in the semi-final.  I was also very impressed with the way the CCLA ran the tournament - very much like the NCAA football playoffs.  Excellent crowds and great facilities at Saline, MI.

Speaking of facilities, Hope had the ground-breaking ceremony on Friday for the new soccer complex which will also allow the lacrosse teams to use.  It's facade will match the new baseball and softball stadiums in design with brich walls/arches, permanent covered seating for 1,400 fans, new synthetic turf; also wrought iron fencing with brick posts to match the current gateway pillars at Buys Athletic fields there which was built with the old bricks/stone from Hope's historic Carnegie-Schouten Gymnasium when that structure was unfortunately torn down several years ago.  Anyway, the new soccer/lacrosse complex is scheduled to be completed by mid-Oct this fall so the soccer team will be able to use it for the latter part of the season.  Very exciting.  For those interested, Hope's athletic website has the plans; also a very nice tribute to Coach Ray Smith, who retired this weekend from Hope as was previously announced and discussed a couple of months ago.

That's all for now.  The MIAA baseball race concludes this upcoming weekend.  I hope all of you have a safe and enjoyable upcoming Memorial Day Weekend - it will be here before we know it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 10, 2009, 01:54:14 PM
Update FYI:

A retirement celebration was held for Coach Ray Smith by his family at Hope College last evening.  My wife and I feel very privileged to be among those former players, friends, coaches, administrators, neighbors, etc., who were invited to attend.  It was a wonderful evening of reminiscing, reflection, sharing (and yes, a little roasting) for Coach and his family and many of our former teammates, friends and college administrators past and present.  Since many on this board have previously discussed the lifelong accomplishments and service of Coach Smith to Hope College, the community and the thousands of student-athletes over his career there, I won't reiterate all those aspects here. 

However, I would like to say the following.  It was well-acknowledged last evening that Coach Smith always had the right vision - it was more than just coaching but rather his goal to see the potential that each student-athlete (and regular students) could become for the greater good of all with the Christian faith and whatever endeavors in life one chooses.  In that regard, his Faith was always evident, but never bombarded on anyone; in essence everyone knew that by his actions and the way he treated people.  Obviously, Coach Smith and his wife Sue will be missed at Hope (although they won't be around campus at times and not very far away I suspect; actually I know ;D).  I will close with this statement by Coach Smith to me..."The Lord has given me peace about retirement and his calling the Ray Smith family to Hope has been a blessing...."  Coach,...I think we all concur but even more so that it was the other way around i.e. a blessing to all of us at Hope and beyond.  Truly (at least IMO) he ranks among the great coaches and men in DIII football in the realm of Gagliardi, Kehres, Schipper, Tressel, Buttefield, etc,.  Anyway, here's wishing Coach and his wife Sue all the best in whatever the Good Lord has planned for them in the next chapter of life.  Thanks Coach Smith.  Also, thanks to all of you here on the board for allowing me to take a moment to update you and share a little more of my reflections.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 18, 2009, 02:18:18 PM
Absolutely quiet on this board the past several days.  I assume that many of you are busy with graduations, end of school year aspects, perhaps early vacations? and/or just plain busy at your jobs. ;)  No news, anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 18, 2009, 07:19:36 PM
Interesting development from the MHSAA that has largely gone unoticed.

8-player football approved for Michigan high school
The Associated Press, May 18, 2009 4:23 p.m.

EAST LANSING, Mich. - A Michigan High School Athletic Association committee has approved an eight-player football playoff division starting with the 2010 season.
The association says in a release that Class D schools with a maximum enrollment of 223 for the 2009-2010 academic year will be eligible to field eight-player teams.

A 16-team, four-week playoff will be held in 2010 if at least 20 schools commit. A 32-team, five-week playoff will take place if more than 40 schools commit.

Association executive director John E. Roberts says the format will help smaller schools that struggle to field enough players to support football.

Fields for eight-player games will be the traditional 100 yards long but will be narrowed in width from 53 1-3 yards to 40 yards.

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A couple Falls ago I found myself in Frankfort, Michigan on a cool October night and stopped in to see a Frankfort vs. Mesick game.  Both Class D schools located along Michigan's LP Northwest coast, Division 8 for football.  Frankfort had a full squad of players and could fill a two deep roster with spares.   Mesick had 7 kids on the sidelines during game action.  Midway through he 2nd quarter Frankfort was ahead 35-0 which started the automatic running clock.  Mesick never gained a positive yard in the time I stayed to watch, and had about 3 kids come off with injuries who had to go back on the field even while obviously hurt.

At one point it got so bad presumeably the sister of a Mesick player ran on the sideline to confront a Frankfort tackler..........I guess she felt he brother was getting a little roughed up.  It was an odd place to be, and a little uncomfortable to see a bunch of high school kids getting thoroughly pummled like they were.  It wasn't just a numbers disadvantage but size as well.   Since I was sitting on the Mesick side, I could sympathize with their plight.  This was rough to watch........so rough I left at the end of the 3rd Q with the score something like 56-0 and Frankfort was desperately trying to not score.  What do you do when FB dives go for 20 yards a pop? 

Frankfort ended up winning 65-0.


That game has stuck in my mind, and  have also witnessed my own high school's undermanned and undersized teams struggles vs the "football powers".  Two falls ago down 21-0 3 minutes into a game.

It will be interesting  to see how many high schools opt for the 8 man game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 01, 2009, 10:09:56 AM
I think 8 on 8 Football is a great thing for many of the small schools.

Some of the football games over the years are not a game it is a "blood letting" keep some of these kids from getting seriously hurt playing both ways and "nicked up" trying to tough it our for the team.

This will also reduce the cost for many schools, concern about travel though as there will only be so many 8 man teams to play.

This will also effect the 5-6 wins required to make the playoffs.
Every year some very marginal teams make the playoffs and possibly get a "home" game when it is obvious these teams do not even compare to a low level team that has missed the playoffs due to playing a competitive schedule.

The point system of winning a D1 game or playing a D1 team is also a little "squirrely". Every year teams with high "points" are smoked by a team that just make it in with 5 wins in tough league.

Quality of schedule is the real key to who moves on once the playoffs start.
Home field also helps in a close game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 03, 2009, 07:44:40 AM
Texas has 6-man.

http://www.sixmanfootball.com/

High school players participate in 8-on-8 football as part of the unofficial off-season conditioning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 16, 2009, 10:27:12 AM
Off topic but it has been to long since we had a MIAA post.

Bill Lambeer leaves WNBA after winning 3 titles in 6 years.
Nice record!!!

I think he would be a great assistant coach and get hm ready for a head coaching position.
He obviously learned some patience coaching in the WNBA after his "bad boy" image in the NBA.

I think he is an example of a thinking mans game, and "coaching player up"
He was not the most talented guy but he won rebounding titles, and defense titles due to his hard work and attention to detail, doing what ever the team required.

All NBA players have skills it is getting them to play together and defense that wins championships. 
" does not hurt to have a Lebron, or Kobe, to get every call and make crazy shots"

2 months until camp starts.
Looks to be a competitive year in the MIAA this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 18, 2009, 06:32:04 PM
The Sporting News College Football '09 Preview is out ... along with their D3 pre-season top 25.  Trine didn't get a mention anywhere.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 18, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
Trine returns alot from last years good team.
Should and probably will be the leagues preseason favorite when the coach's vote comes out.

I think until a MIAA team wins a playoff game and returns the majority of that team we will not see a top 25 ranking preseason for a MIAA team.

Do not think any deserve it until the league proves something.

By the way when is the league meeting? Did not see anything on a web search.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 18, 2009, 09:54:06 PM
D306:

I think you are right.  Anyway, the league meeting is always the Thursday before camps open, usually the first week in August.  At Hope, football physicals are Thurs August 13th when the players report; as such, I suspect the league media day will be Thurs August 6th.  We'll obviously have to await the announcement, although I would expect that to be out any day soon.  Hope's first game is Sept 5th at Ill. Wesleyan and that is 3 weeks after the August 13th report date, which is the NCAA limit that teams can report for preseason, i.e. about 3 weeks before the first game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 18, 2009, 10:40:27 PM
D3DB

Thanks for the info.

I believe Albion reports the same day.
Albion also has Butler Sept 5th for the first game.
Start off with a tough game

I expect Hope to rebound from Last years rough season.
As always Hope has a brutal out of conference schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 19, 2009, 10:48:20 AM
D306:

You are welcome.  Likewise, I appreciate your updates here as well as I'm sure our MIAA board colleagues do.  Indeed, Hope always has a tough non-conference schedule.  Yet, I think it's obvious that we need to start winning some of those.  One would think that after a few years string of playing those type of schools/games, the "experience" would take effect and in essense upgrade the program i.e. which translates into, can we say... "playoff wins"?!!! ;D  At least that's always been my philosophy in general regarding that topic and situation.  Way back in my MIAA playing days, I believe that did help us, although, admittedly, the overall general "national" talent pool regarding schools was perhaps a little different than it is today.  By that I mean it perhaps was a little easier in one sense to get to that next level and compete with the better teams out of region because there were fewer more powerful teams in the "outer regeions" so to speak.  Yet, at the same time it was still difficult because once the MIAA allowed post-season play in football, the playoff spots were few making it really tough to achieve (I won't go into all that history since most of our people here are familiar with the MIAA fb playoff history including the "near misses" and "slights" in selections!).

Anyway, I am not sure (in my own mind) how we (Hope) will fare this year.  I would obviously hope we will be much better and improved, although one never knows.  IMO, it has been a rather strange last 3-4 years with all the MIAA teams in that while parity is finally making the scene, it is still unpredictable.  You've had different teams in the title run (Olivet, Trine, Alma) while others who traditionally have been in there (and should have) having some down years (Hope, Albion, and Alma too).  Maybe I'm just getting old, but even with following the pre-season scrimmage and practices, I am just not confident in being able to assess/predict how we'll start out.

As far as your Albion, for sure, I would expect them to rebound and be much better than last year.  Starting out with Butler will be a huge test.  While people have mocked/scoffed at Butler in more recent years as being basically a DIII level program even though they are DIAA non-scholarship, they will be much better as their new coach enters a second year.  Admittedly they had some down years, however, I believe they will rise back to the level of the somewhat tougher competition in their Pioneer DIAA league that is, if we're truthful, for most teams there a step up above most the DIII programs (and in some cases, on the level of some of the DII programs).

That being said, I still love it when a DIII team pulls and upset over a DII or DIAA non-scholarship program and Albion has done that.  I would not count them out this year either against Butler, so it should be interesting to see what happens.  Speaking of Butler regarding a tangential (and minor i.e. a very less important aspect), I was disappointed to see that they basically "demolished" their old stadium the Butler Bowl.  While they obviously wanted to (and needed to) keep up with the modern times and upgrade facilities by putting in new field, improving the seating, IMO, it was sad to see them essentially change the entire atmosphere there from that old college traditional stadium feel to just another nice modern field.  Their seating, while nice and also the field surrounded on the other side by some new dorms, just doesn't have that "neat old bowl stadium" feel.  On the other hand, I guess they also figured since the "times have changed" with regard to their situation, it was time to change the "digs" to conform to that as they never were able to fill that old stadium to capacity.  They have a long way to go to catch up with their league opponents such as Dayton and San Diego in those type of aspects (attendance, "bigger time" programs that play some of the bigger former DIAA now FCS schools).

And finally, speaking of the latter, did you see where Fordham (another non-scholarship DIAA i.e. FCS program in the Patriot League) has announced they will be returning to scholarship DI football in the FCS?  They have worked out an agreement with the Patriot League that will allow them to stay in that league to play opponents, but will have to be trying for an at-large bid for any FCS playoffs and/or other bowl games.  Kind of neat in their trying to return to somewhat return to their glory days of the "7 Blocks of Granite"!  It will be interesting to see how that goes, but IMO, kind of exciting.

Okay, guys, sorry for the digression from MIAA discussion, however, it still is the off-season, so I guess I/we can "still go there" for a while longer! :D  Besides, like you said, it's been awhile since we've had much posting here on our board, so we can try to generate some discussion.  I'm sure that will pick up soon in the upcoming July weeks as we approach the pre-season camps.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on June 19, 2009, 08:41:31 PM
Trine reports to camp on 8/11 this year, a couple of days earlier than the others (it would seem).  However, we also have an earlier game.  Trine will travel to Manchester College for a Thursday night game on 9/3. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on June 30, 2009, 07:07:18 AM
Wow

I have been reviewing some of the other Conferences boards.
The list"s of incoming freshman and transfers listed for numerous teams is interesting.
The local papers must report heavy on who, is going to what college to play.
Either that or "insiders" are posting on the website.

Seems that many other leagues enjoy a more rabid fan base than the MIAA. I am sure a significant amount is linked to the success level of the teams as well.

It is almost time for us to start the pre-season league picks.
I think I will wait until I see / hear some info from camps.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 06, 2009, 09:45:57 PM
D306 and colleagues:

Indeed, there has been more activity on many of the other boards than ours, although it appears that even those posters are among the "die-hard" few.  Yet, it is still the off-season and mid- and/or towards the end of vacation for our current collegiate football student-athletes.  Obviously, more posting will occur by the end of the next 3 weeks I would bet as we near the opening date of the MIAA camps.

I am guilty of being in the above "absentee posting group" as well since I was out-of-town for 8-9 days of vacation the last week of June and, since our youngest (and last) daughter, also a recent Hope College graduate, was married this past weekend on July 4th.  Anyway, I'll try to return to doing some more posting and like D306, encourage all of you to do the same - in good time, of course, pending your own summer vacations and other activities, etc.

I will just add that this season at Hope College will be a special one in that we will be celebrating the 100th season of intercollegiate football there (Hope actually started before then, however, "officially" this is the actual 100th season due to the years with no teams such as WWI and WWII and a couple of other "skips".  Some special activities are planned for Homecoming in that regard by SID Tom Renner and our staff (which we square off against Albion on October 10th; some new info on Hope football history which we've found, celebration for former AD and Coach Ray Smith and all former football players at Hope, etc.).  So it should be a fun time.  I am anxious to see what the make-up of our team will be - obviously we have some very good returning players, yet also it will be interesting to see if any of the newcomers will break-in and contribute immediately.  The latter is always difficult and not that common, but does occur as we all know.

I'll look forward to all of your own "takes" on your MIAA teams as well as just "plain posting" with you guys again this year.  Also, I hope all of you had an enjoyable and safe 4th of July holiday this past weekend.

Regards to all,
formerd3db  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on July 10, 2009, 09:36:12 PM
Is it football season yet???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 12, 2009, 11:54:02 AM
LetItRain:

This time of the year is like being a little kid waiting for Christmas!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 12, 2009, 11:56:44 AM
AS hard as this is for me to watch...it was a great defensive battle!  Hopefully there will be another dramatic finish in the MIAA this year!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNqYkq2xhI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNqYkq2xhI)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 22, 2009, 09:14:53 PM
On a sad note, former Kalamazoo College standout player FB Kevin Moody (Class of '78 at Kazoo and originally from Flushing, MI near Flint), a well-known attorney in East Lansing, MI who was involved much in various state law as well as Native American law issues and whose son is a star pitcher for Michigan State University, passed away earlier this week after a tough battle with pancreatic cancer.  Please keep his wife, son and family in your prayers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on July 31, 2009, 08:07:00 AM
This is my first post and only my second year following the MIAA daily - but the description of "like a kid waiting for Christmas" was so correct!!  I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments, descriptions, stats, insites and professionalism in their posts on here - - - just ready for more!!  With Media Day now less than a week away hopefully more will get started!  Aug 6 @ Hope from my understanding.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 31, 2009, 11:33:38 AM
Quote from: 4852lkrick on July 31, 2009, 08:07:00 AM
This is my first post and only my second year following the MIAA daily - but the description of "like a kid waiting for Christmas" was so correct!!  I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments, descriptions, stats, insites and professionalism in their posts on here - - - just ready for more!!  With Media Day now less than a week away hopefully more will get started!  Aug 6 @ Hope from my understanding.

4852lkrick:

Welcome to the board!  On behalf of our colleagues here (including myself), I will take the liberty of thanking you for your kind comments.  Our board may not be as active as some of the others, however, I agree with you, as well as take pride in the fact, that, unlike some of the other boards, our posters here on the MIAA board indeed are very civil, professional and courteous in their opinions, responses and comments, even when we don't agree with each other at times.  Anyway, we'll look forward to your contributions in posting with us.  Again welcome.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on July 31, 2009, 02:43:49 PM
ADAWG:

I haven't heard from you in a long time...do you have any scoop on the Bulldogs?  What are they going to do without Niblock?  I have to imagine their defense won't be as good as it was last season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 03, 2009, 11:02:15 AM
Hey guys - I need your help.

I have an opportunity to be in Holland on Thursday of this week (MIAA Media Day).  I'd like to attend Media Day events but I don't know if the public is welcome or not.  I believe some of you have attended in past years.  Can any of you fill me in on how this works?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 03, 2009, 04:59:49 PM
Interesting news from one of NAIA neighbors......
http://www.concordiacardinals.com/article/724.php

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 03, 2009, 10:47:35 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 03, 2009, 11:02:15 AM
Hey guys - I need your help.

I have an opportunity to be in Holland on Thursday of this week (MIAA Media Day).  I'd like to attend Media Day events but I don't know if the public is welcome or not.  I believe some of you have attended in past years.  Can any of you fill me in on how this works?

Thanks!

LetItRain:

I attended several years ago, and as I recall, public could attend.  However, I believe that there is a private luncheon for the coaches and media people before the actual comment session, the latter being what any interested people from the general public might be able to attend.  Yet, admittedly, I am not sure of any of this now, regarding the current set-up and policy.  Perhaps one of our fellow MIAA posters here (OC_SID? help! :)) might be able to help you/us with this.  I can't imagine that if you really wanted to be there (and being related to a current MIAA player!) that they might not allow you to do so - seems to me they would welcome the interest and potential further publicity.  But then again, I really do not know what the current league policy is.  All that being said, I hope you are able to be there if possible.  Good luck and we'll keep watching here for the definitive, eventual answer/outcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 03, 2009, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: sac on August 03, 2009, 04:59:49 PM
Interesting news from one of NAIA neighbors......
http://www.concordiacardinals.com/article/724.php



I wondered how long it was going to take Concordia to make such as decision.  Despite the tough economic times across the country, as we all know, there are several colleges and universities that are either bringing back their long ago "storied" and discontinued programs, while others are starting teams for the very first time.  I guess that as is mentioned in the article, many of these administrators at the various schools see it as a great tool for increasing enrollment and interest in their schools, which I believe in most cases it is.  On the other hand, Concordia is planning on participating in scholarship football, and even if it is NAIA (which athletic scholarship aid is more "akin" to that in NCAA DII - or even less), it still will be more expensive than having their program in NCAA DIII or some other type of non-scholarship football program.

Yet, in one sense, it does make sense (pardon the rhetoric/pun, etc. ;D) since Concordia's athletic programs are already NAIA scholarship status and thus staying with similar type institutions for football is logical.  However, again, the economics can't be overlooked (obviously, I'm sure the administrators at Concordia have not overlooked this); certainly, a Concordia joining the MIAA would also be a logical consideration.  Besides, one could compare them in that regard to Trine, which after being an NAIA scholarship program from its inception in the 1990's (including one year being undefeated), they decided on the different route and, as we know, joined our MIAA.  It also saved costs for them obviously.

At any rate, I'm glad to see that Concordia is taking this step.  It will be interesting to see what transpires - we all should keep ourselves updated on this.  Thanks for the "find" and info sac - great work from you as always.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on August 06, 2009, 02:33:47 PM
Media Day Poll, I hear this is the early word...not so sure about the rest of the league.


1. Trine
2. Adrian
3. Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on August 06, 2009, 04:08:53 PM
www.miaa.org   

And D3football honorable mention lists Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 06, 2009, 09:45:32 PM
IWU is at Alma on Sept. 12th.  IF I make it there, will I meet any posters?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 08, 2009, 07:38:35 AM
Poll Results (First-place votes in parenthesis):
1. Trine (7) 23 pts. 2. Adrian (5) 28. 3. Hope (2) 44. 4. Alma (1) 52. 5. Albion 53. Kalamazoo 84. Olivet 87.

This is the posting from the MIAA.ORG website

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I think we all expected Trine to be preseason favorite.

I believe the league will shape up differently, Albion will make some noise, and push for league championship.

I will post my guess after the teams get into camp and we hear whom returns and is healthy, new recruits, etc.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 09, 2009, 09:13:58 AM
Does anybody know how often the preseason poll has accurately picked the eventual MIAA champion?  My first thought is not very often.  Trine as the preseason favorite is an obvious pick, more so than any in recent memory.  As others have said, we'll know more when camps begin and we hear more about recruits, injuries, returns, etc.

And wouldn't it be nice if Concordia eventually went down the same path as Trine? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 12, 2009, 11:39:24 AM
I did a quick search and found a few of the past preseason polls. Eventual MIAA champs are in bold.

2008 preseason poll
1. Hope (2)                  27
2. Adrian (7)                33
3. Olivet (6)                  34
4. Alma                         56
5. Trine                         64
6. Albion                       67
7. Kalamazoo            100

2007
1. Hope (19) 21 pts.,
2. Adrian (1) 59,
3.Olivet 65,
4. Albion (1) 70,
5.Alma 85,
6. Tri-State 119,
7. Kalamazoo 121,
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 152.

2005
1. Alma (7) 40,
2. Albion (4) 47,
3. Hope (5) 51,
4. Adrian (3) 56,
5. Olivet (1) 81,
6. Tri-State 122,
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 126,
8. Kalamazoo 133.

I'll research some more when I get the time, I am curious to know how well they have been predicted as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 12, 2009, 06:06:28 PM
Waxx welcome to the board, way to start off by doing the research +1 on the karma

Teams reporting this week for everyone I think.
Great to see the season getting rolling.

Glad to see Concordia getting a FB team though I am not sure the Academic Standing is high enough to be a MIAA team, if they were to follow the Trine path into the MIAA as mentioned.

I was in Albion the other day, the field is looking very good, nice thick growth to the turf.
I am a big fan of natural fields, though I know the play and heavy rains does a number on many teams fields most seasons, that is the charm of it all. Mud games are something you always remember, even the ones from your HS days.

Funny how a kids game we played soooo many years ago still stays with us as we get older. I would suit up today, if I could ( the body may object about 10 Minutes in  ;D)
What is the saying: the older I get the better I was.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on August 12, 2009, 07:11:21 PM
Olivet football players move in on Sunday, and I think the first practice is not until next Monday night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 13, 2009, 04:15:50 PM
Quote from: waxx on August 12, 2009, 11:39:24 AM
I did a quick search and found a few of the past preseason polls. Eventual MIAA champs are in bold.

2008 preseason poll
1. Hope (2)                  27
2. Adrian (7)                33
3. Olivet (6)                  34
4. Alma                         56
5. Trine                         64
6. Albion                       67
7. Kalamazoo            100

2007
1. Hope (19) 21 pts.,
2. Adrian (1) 59,
3.Olivet 65,
4. Albion (1) 70,
5.Alma 85,
6. Tri-State 119,
7. Kalamazoo 121,
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 152.

2005
1. Alma (7) 40,
2. Albion (4) 47,
3. Hope (5) 51,
4. Adrian (3) 56,
5. Olivet (1) 81,
6. Tri-State 122,
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 126,
8. Kalamazoo 133.

I'll research some more when I get the time, I am curious to know how well they have been predicted as well.

Thanks for the info!

I can add a little to that.  The following comes from the article found at:

http://www.manchesterenterprise.com/stories/081309/spo_20090813003.shtml

"Teams have reason not to take much stock in the early predictions. Since 1996, the preseason favorite has followed through only twice, both times sharing the crown (Albion in 1999 and Hope in 2007)."

I'm not saying Trine won't follow through this year.  After all, we've never had a 10-0 team before.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2009, 06:03:29 PM


Thanks for the info!

I can add a little to that.  The following comes from the article found at:

http://www.manchesterenterprise.com/stories/081309/spo_20090813003.shtml

"Teams have reason not to take much stock in the early predictions. Since 1996, the preseason favorite has followed through only twice, both times sharing the crown (Albion in 1999 and Hope in 2007)."

I'm not saying Trine won't follow through this year.  After all, we've never had a 10-0 team before.


[/quote]

Thanks miaafan.  I was trying locate that info but wasn't able to recall where I had seen it before.  Also, in the "NCAA Div. III Playoff Era", while we've (i.e. the MIAA) have not had a 10-0 team before, actually we've had a) 9-0 team Hope 1984 (no playoff spot however); b) 9-0 tealm 1993 Albion going into the post-season with eventual overall record 10-1; c) 9-0 team with final 13-0 record National Championship team Albion; and d) 8-0-1 team Hope 1975 (no playoff spot as MIAA wouldn't allow Hope to accept a potential bid).  And with the exception of Albion coming back the following years (i.e. 1994 and 1995 after those two above), the other teams who were undefeated in the regular season during "the era" failed to return to claiming the league title.

Trine did have an undefeated team in the mid 1990's (as I recall they were 10-0), however, that was when they were NAIA DII designation.

Anyway, thanks to all for the interesting historical info regarding this topic (i.e. pre-season league poll).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 13, 2009, 09:14:20 PM
Adrian opened camp yesterday, conditioning tests and the like.  Excitment is present, lots of talent back and some great freshman coming in from what i understand.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2009, 01:21:36 AM
Hope players report this weekend on Sunday also with physicals and first practice scheduled for Monday.  According to the team's website, 148 players are scheduled to report.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 17, 2009, 01:37:13 PM
I think that all the MIAA teams have reported to camp and we are off!

Quick couple comments I saw at Albion, my last time there.

~135ish Athletes in the program this year.

Some visable changes to the staff, Coach Rundle is installing new defense this year and will be in charge of defense.  Coach Polnasek has moved into new Position as Athletic Coordinator for all mens sports (congratulation) and will coach the Special teams, recievers.
Coach Schudel will assume the Offensive Coordinators position.
Coach Beurer (former player / asst coach) returns from Morehead State coaching position to coach the Offensive Line.
Coach Dooley has joined the coaching staff to assist as QB coach. Dooley was starting QB last year prior to injuries.

The defensive plan has been modified to meet the the teams skill set.
I believe you will see a more aggressive defense, challenging the QB and offense to make things happen.
I expect the DL to be very good with everyone returning except NG from a strong unit last year.
A lot of DB's in camp, expect some serious competition for playing time.

The offense will have a heated competition for QB, with 2 of 3 QB's who started varsity games last year returning, and a highly regarded third being healthy after missing last year due to injuries.
The OL should be strong and will start the season with 5-6 healthy upperclassmen and hopefully some stability after the injury bug last year.
I noticed some freshmen with very good size in camp for OL as well.
Skill players return starters from last year, losing #1 WR from last year.
RB earned a lot of experience (2nd team all MIAA) with the #1 RB hurt for season in first game of year.

Keep up the conversations guy's looking forward to the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on August 18, 2009, 07:19:26 PM
I will be joining this board on a regular basis now as I have a daughter transfering to Hope College. I have been following D3 football since 1998. I have had two sons play in D3... one for Bethel University in Minn and the other for Wabash College. My son that graduated from Wabash is now coaching at Anderson University in the HCAC. I will be attending some of his games with Anderson...looks like 2 Hope College games...A couple of Wheaton games...A couple of Wabash games...A couple of Depauw games and I hope to make a couple of North Central games...Then...playoffs....

I should see some great football being played

I look forward to interacting with you on this board...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 18, 2009, 09:53:34 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on August 18, 2009, 07:19:26 PM
I will be joining this board on a regular basis now as I have a daughter transfering to Hope College. I have been following D3 football since 1998. I have had two sons play in D3... one for Bethel University in Minn and the other for Wabash College. My son that graduated from Wabash is now coaching at Anderson University in the HCAC. I will be attending some of his games with Anderson...looks like 2 Hope College games...A couple of Wheaton games...A couple of Wabash games...A couple of Depauw games and I hope to make a couple of North Central games...Then...playoffs....

I should see some great football being played

I look forward to interacting with you on this board...


With that variety of colleges, isn't "DadofBashWarrior" picking favorites among your kids? :o ;D

Or are YOU a Little Giant?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on August 19, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
Nada on being a Little Giant...I am actually a Drake University Alum 76'...If your meaning that I am not seeing many Bethel or Hope games there is a reason on that. Bethels conference is a much longer drive to see their games. I live in the burbs of Chicago. Coach Johnson from Bethel is truly a great coach...and I love watching what he does with his teams...I have actually made long drives to see certain games after my son was gone from Bethel like when Bethel was playing St. John the last game of the regualr season at Collegeville for the conference championship...the same year that ST John won the National Championship earlier this decade...It was the best game I have ever seen...ever...the coaching on both sides was unbelieveable...

If Hope works it's way to the top of the conference this year I may take in more of their games. I will be at the Hope Wheaton Game and the Hope Homecoming game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 19, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
You may want to check out the Trine/Hope game on 10/3 in Angola, IN.  It would be a shorter drive and you'd get to see both Hope and the defending MIAA Champs!  10/3 is Homecoming for Trine.  You are welcome to join us for tailgating if you choose to attend this game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on August 19, 2009, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 19, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
You may want to check out the Trine/Hope game on 10/3 in Angola, IN.  It would be a shorter drive and you'd get to see both Hope and the defending MIAA Champs!  10/3 is Homecoming for Trine.  You are welcome to join us for tailgating if you choose to attend this game.

Thanks for the invite LetItRain...I will keep it in mind and let you know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 25, 2009, 09:46:52 AM
Trine scrimmages the University of St. Francis on Thursday (varsity) and Friday (JV) this week.  Who else has scrimmages scheduled?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 25, 2009, 11:05:51 AM
Albion had a scrimmage VS GRCC last weekend

I do not believe there is any other scrimmages arranged for Albion.
By the way is there a limited or set number to the number of scrimmages allowed?

2 weeks folks, you can smell the football in the air.

I have attended some HS 4 ways, and watched the Lion's stink it up, some things never change.

Great HS football season coming in Michigan several good teams, I see no real lock for a Favorite in the top 3 divisions.

Looking forward to the D3 Kickoff from the D3football.com
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 25, 2009, 04:38:52 PM
Looking forward to another exciting season of D3 football.  And only 3 days until some HS games as well.  With football beginning and the weather we've been having, I'm almost expecting the leaves to turn any day  :)

Having said that, we'll probably have some 80+ degree days in October, and be sweating through some MIAA games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 25, 2009, 08:29:43 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 25, 2009, 09:46:52 AM
Trine scrimmages the University of St. Francis on Thursday (varsity) and Friday (JV) this week.  Who else has scrimmages scheduled?

Alma will scrimmage Northwood University in Midland on Thursday.  I don't know about any other MIAA teams other than Albion and Trine as mentioned already.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2009, 10:46:38 PM
More RE: Scrimmages

Hope will have its annual pre-season intra-squad team scrimmage i.e. the Annual Orange and Blue Scrimmage at home on their practice field this Saturday as usual.  Hope remains one of the few(er) DIII schools that does not scrimmage another college/university for their final "tune-up" prior to the first game of the season.

As has been mentioned, the Alma/Northwood and Albion/GRCC scrimmages are continuations of those series between those schools in recent years.  Regarding the Trine/St. Francis and Alma/Northwood scrimmage match-ups, I personally like that idea of some schools scrimmaging an upper level (i.e. a DII or NAIA scholarship team) as it helps playing some tough competition for a good initial basic test prior to the start of the season.  However, as we all know, the risk is the potential for getting some of your top personel injured, although that could obviously happen regardless of any team that you would scrimmage.

Saturday's preliminary forecast (at least currently) shows cloudy and rain, although that could change before then.  Usually (traditionally) it has been extremely hot and humid for Hope's final pre-season scrimmage in recent years (actually, historically).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 28, 2009, 03:37:23 PM
Hello all:

Although perhaps most of you already know about this, I just wanted to again mention that this is the 100th Season Celebration of Hope College Football.  The College has just expanded their athletic website with stories, facts and info regarding this.  You might enjoy checking it out - there is some new research is unveiled about Hope's first collegiate game, other facts and some great stories of memories by former Hope players, etc., etc.  I really enjoy reading about the DIII schools football history and especially when the various colleges have featured their 100th years and/or other special celebrations regarding their programs.  Enjoy. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 29, 2009, 10:17:13 AM
Trine played very well against University of St Francis Fort Wayne.  USF is ranked #4 in the NAIA, and they were much bigger physically.  But Trine held their own and gave some back as the scrimmage finished with the "score" tied.  It was also encouraging because Trine seemed to do a lot more substitutions and they still played USF even.  I like that they scheduled a tough opponent, and gave a lot of kids some time on the field. 

http://www.saintfranciscougars.com/football/football-news/2009-news/usf-collides-with-trine-in-scrimmage

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 29, 2009, 08:06:22 PM
Thanks for the summary update regarding Trine, Uncle Rico.  Sounds like Trine is ready to start the season.  Hope had their Annual Orange & Blue Meet the Dutchmen Scrimmage today also.  It was somewhat different in that it was cloudy, overcast, in the mid-60's, and cool - a major contrast to the 90 degree and humid weather we've had for this day for the scrimmages the past 4-5 years.  This was actually quite nice - wonderful football weather and the rain held off until long after the scrimmage was done.  It actually became much colder and more windy once after the end of the scrimmage.  

Overall, the scrimmage went well with the defense doing very well.  Offense needed to move the ball better, however, had some good plays.  The RB's and QB did very well.  This was not as intense of a scrimmage as has occurred in past years, however, it was still a good tune-up for next week's season opener at Illinois Wesleyan.  IWU will be a tough opponent for Hope again this year, especially since it is at IWU's stadium (a neat old stadium BTW, one of the oldest in that region as I recall).  Yet, the best aspect was that we had no injuries, which is always a blessing.  After seeing Hope today, I believe they are ready for next week - the enthusiasm from the players and staff is very high and "READY TO GO"!  I'm sure everyone is in that mode now.  Looking forwad to posting with you guys again this year.  I'm sure we'll start seeing more "chatter" on here this week.  :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 01, 2009, 12:55:04 AM
Posted CCIW Pick-em's Contest rules and week #1 games.  All are welcome to participate.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 02, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
Mr. Ypsi - are you running the MIAA Pick 'Ems site again this year?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 02, 2009, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on September 02, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
Mr. Ypsi - are you running the MIAA Pick 'Ems site again this year?

I forgot about it - but OK.  It's now such short notice, I guess we'll start with week two (though, as sac is the defending champ, I should take advantage of his loyalty this Saturday!).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on September 03, 2009, 09:32:38 AM
Kickoff tonight @ 7:00!!  Good luck Trine! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 03, 2009, 09:46:26 AM
I am so pumped up for today.  I don't think I could have waited much longer for the season to start!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2009, 06:22:37 PM
The rest of the evening belongs to Trine, but first a baseball note - the Tigers completed their sweep of the Tribe. :)

They now lead the Twins by five, with each having 29 games to go.  The Sox are in deep doo-doo, down 7 and only 27 games to go.  I ain't counting my chickens just yet, but I'm starting to get a taste for post-season play! ;D

(If Porcello wins the clincher, you suppose the cops would look the other way if the 20-year-old swigs some champagne? :o :D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 03, 2009, 07:07:20 PM
Ypsi

I am trying to be calm about the Tigers but I think they are pulling away and starting to hit.
Great coaching job this year, pitching is tough and hitting, young players are starting to excel, all the while OLD Gravel voice is making the right call on who plays that day.

Let's start the MIAA ff on a Good note and see a Trine win tonight.
Pretty easy win last year and Trine returns a lot of key players to this years team.

I will be interested and attending the Albion VS Butler game.
Should be a good test to see were Albion is this year.
I expect a good game and possibly even a close upset win by the Brits.
Defense will carry the day while the Offense continues to jell.
The new defensive system suits this teams athletes well and will challenge other teams to make a play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 04, 2009, 12:47:04 AM
Final:  Trine 16, Manchester 14.

I know nothing but the score from scoreboard, but a bit closer than I would have expected from a team hoping to crack the top 25.  Just a blip, or a giver of hope to the rest of the conference?  (Or is Manchester not as bad as I assumed?)

Any first person reports?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 04, 2009, 02:25:55 AM
For the most part the Tigers have a favorable schedule for themselves ahead them after this weekends series with Tampa Bay, they have 10 games with KC (6) and Toronto (4) both below .500,........ how difficult the final 3 weeks of the season will be determined there imo.

However, they finish the year with 13 of the final 16 vs chasers Minnesota and Chicago, with a series at Cleveland mixed in.  The final week of the season includes 7 games with Minnesota (3) and Chicago (4) at Comerica.

However the Twins have it even easier with series with KC, and Toronto and Cleveland.  They have a midweek series vs Oakland in a couple weeks along with another series with Chicago.  Pretty much the only winning team on their schedule is the Tigers if the Sox don't shape up.


The White Sox have the tougher run in by far but only because of their next week, Boston for 4 this weekend, then 2 with Oakland and 3 games at the Angels and 3 more at Seattle.  In comparison to what the Twins and Tigers face, thats a brutal stretch.  Their finals games are all vs the Tigers and Twins with a couple series against the Indians and Royals.  If they're still around, 6 of their last 9 are against the Tigers.   They have to survive the next 12 games without losing more than a game in the standings.......it might be better to say they need to make up a game or two.


From the looks of it though, it would seem the Tigers and Twins will be battling right to the final week, with the White Sox being a factor, if not a contender.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 04, 2009, 07:56:01 AM
The Trine/Manchester score was a lot closer than I, and probably many others, expected.  By the numbers, it looks like Trine struggled.  Hard to tell if it's just a bump in the road, or reason for hope on the part of the other MIAA teams.  Good luck to the others in tomorrow's games.  I'm glad to read the pick 'em contest will be up and running for next week. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 04, 2009, 08:13:04 AM
i asked what happened on the HCAC board too, but we tend to not get many posts from Manchester there.  from the game recap it sounds like Trine came out very flat gave up a couple of big plays and was down 14-0 before they knew they were in  ball game.  Trine caught a huge break right before the half with a bad put snap that gets trine the ball deep in Manchester territory to setup a score on the last play of the half.  would be interesting to see froma Trine fan who attended what they thought.  is Manchester that much improved, was Trine just that slopy, is there an overconfidence hangover? 

Manchester got a lot better throughout the year last year and ended up as one of there better teams in a long time (yes they have been real bad for the last couple decades).  Being an HCAC guy i am curious if they are a team that might make some waves or they just caught a good Trine team on a bad night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 04, 2009, 08:18:25 AM
It was definitely a slow and shaky start for the Thunder.  The offense struggled finding any rythm at all in the first half and the defense had a hard time getting to the quarterback.  I was very impressed with Machesters QB #13.  He did a phenominal job getting rid of the ball quick and hitting his outlet recievers.  This kept Trines D-Line and blitzing linebackers at bay almost the whole game.  Manchester looked very quick and played hard.  I will be interested in seeing how they continue their progress in the season.

But in the end the Thunder pulled out a win and now they go straight into a bye week.  Im sure they will find plenty of things from last nights film to work on for the next two weeks to get ready for Defiance.  Good Luck to the rest of the MIAA this weekend.

FOOTBALL IS FINALLY HERE!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2009, 08:59:16 AM
Welcome to the board, BOYA87.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 04, 2009, 09:56:55 PM
The Trine defense did a good job.  I understand that the offense was not at full strength.  There are some kids with nagging injuries that the upcoming break should help.  Also heard from some of the players that Manchester was much improved from last year, with a great deal of senior starters.  Glad Trine was able to take one on the road, but they will need to play much better.  It was certainly a nail bitter, and the players responded to a 14-0 deficit in the 1st quarter.  They did not panic, unlike me.   :)  Much too close for comfort.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 04, 2009, 10:07:22 PM
I decided pickems was way too short notice for this week (especially now that Trine has already played! ;)), but the slate of games for next week is now up on pickems.

Let's get LOTS of pickers this year. :)

[I somehow doubt anyone will pick before tomorrow's results, but this let's you know which games to focus on! ;D]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2009, 12:37:08 AM
Tigers win, Twins lose! :o

6 up, 28 to go.  I'm startin' to feel those post-season vibes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2009, 01:47:31 AM
Tigers, Twins, and Sox all win - but that's one less game for the chasers to catch us!

But, c'mon, it's football Saturday and not ONE post all day?! :o

While Alma had the only win today, Hope and Adrian (in particular) both acquitted themselves well.  No comments or reports from anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 06, 2009, 07:49:48 AM
Ypsi

I will start with the good news.
Tigers pull out another win, hitting is coming around.
Tigers need to keep the pressure on and beat KC in this series.
The twins series at the end of the year is coming, need the breathing room.
I am confident Tigers finsh strong and keep this lead.

U of M and MSU won , glad to see a good start for both teams.

On to the MIAA Ugly weekend, Trine gets by Manchester thanfully a game I thought was an easy win. Shows good coaching to come back after spotting 14.
Alma pulls a win and the rest of the league took a loss.

I was at the Albion game, Butler is moving the program into full D1 soon. That is the stated goal and the numbers and quality of young players in the program reflects this. Costs were up for parking , and tickets. Local TV, field looked good, Campus was expanding.
On to the game, started with a back and forth series of stops for both teams the first 3-4 series for each team.
Albion rotating QB's and featured backs.  4 - 5 first string starters not on the field for Albion. Rough last week of practice, several injuries not season ending but sitting these players or limited play to 2-3 series then out for game.
Butler is physicaly bigger on the lines, especially with 2 returning starters out on the DL. Butler seemed to capitalize on the misdirection play, and play action passes against the flow. Albion's new high pressure defense was caught several times over presueing, leaving 1 on 1. DB or safety on WR or backs in the flats, with no support over the top.
Pretty solid tackling by Albion. I think as the team understands their defense format better this will improve, there is athletes on defense and it showed, most of Butlers scoring was BIG plays, not a lot of sustained drives.  I know, I know how do you see anything in a score like this? Is what people think.

Offensively Albion rotated QB's and RB's heavy. The starting RB did not see the field, neither did a key WR. QB play looked safe but not in time with recievers, numerous passes just behind WR, WR not finding the balls coming out of the breaks. I expect the timing to improve, looked like a couple times WR / TE did not finish the route or cut the correct way. Balls on other side of the cuts after the break by WR.  Butlers defense was very aggressive, the speed was the difference.
Albion has a good RB with very good speed he got the corner several times.

The new punt format looks a little out of time, small line huge splits with 3 blockers back. Had a punt blocked and another tipped. Assignments up front and wedge need to be understood, 4-5 guys rushers getting back to the wedge prior to the punter getting the ball and ready to punt. Simple numbers 3 wedge 4-5 blitzers add up to trouble. Expect some changes to the splits and possibly a little more size up front on this.

I will attend the Thiel game and expect the modifications and upgrades as well as the majority of the injuried starters to return.  this should supply a better idea what the Brits will look like this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 06, 2009, 10:59:02 AM
When you say full DI do you mean 85 scholarship DI or are you referring to them becoming a full IAA program and beginning to actually offer scholarships unlike they currently do?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 06, 2009, 11:33:11 AM
dawg

Yes I mean the stated goal is to be back to full D1 status like the Basketball team.
35-40 redshirt freshman on the roster.
New coaching staff, field and practice facility upgrades.
Several transfers in.
I was told there are plans for a complete new football stadium.
$8 for parking, $12 per ticket are the new prices so they are building some funds and expectations. You no longer can stand above the field by the parking lot and watch game. The fences are now covered with Plaques and banners that run the full fence.

Spoke with a couple Butler folks, nice guys who commented they are aggressivly targeting full D1. Number of years to acheive this is open to progress, or not know to the guys I spoke with. Not sure how the players are being "motivated" to transfer or come there presently. I will not speculate about Loans, grants etc...
Not looking to infer or suggest anything on the edge of the rules.

I thought Butler was solid, well coached not a lot of unforced errors, especially for first game of the year.
Last Years starting QB was released from the team this week, broke some rules and was suspended from team.  QB who played has a very nice touch, lead WR and had good pocket presence felt the pressure and knew were the safety check down was to get some kind of positive yards.

Take this for what it worth, just conversations I had with Butler Fans, Dads, and supporters Saturday.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2009, 04:50:44 PM
My, oh my!  Twins and Sox both lose; Tigers, down 3-1 in the 9th, have Brandon Inge (bad knee and all) hit a grand slam! :o

It would now take a collapse of historic dimensions to not make the playoffs. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 07, 2009, 09:12:53 AM
For those Adrian Fans who cant make the game this week Defiance does a live video broadcast of all home games on their athletics website.  the video is not HDTV but still is not too bad and i thought the announcers did a very good job keeping things interesting compared to most D3 play by play guys.  last week it had a pregame show that lasted about 50 minutes, halftime show and post game...pretty good way to get your D3 fix if you cant make a game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2009, 03:50:12 PM
MIAA Pickems starts this week.  The rules and slate of games is up on the Pickems site (General Football).  This year let's all remind sac that he is a basketball guy! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 07, 2009, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2009, 03:50:12 PM
MIAA Pickems starts this week.  The rules and slate of games is up on the Pickems site (General Football).  This year let's all remind sac that he is a basketball guy! ;)

Just to prove to Ypsi I'm multi-faceted (fascinating).......I give this fantastic nugget of knowledge.

Hope has now dropped 17 consecutive non-conference games.   With Carthage, Eau-Claire and Wheaton remaining, my money is on reaching 20.

Need I remind the orange and blue faithful, Carthage dropped 70 on the Dutchmen last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2009, 08:58:05 PM
As you mention, another consecutive non-leauge as well as season-opening loss for Hope.  This is not fun and is getting to be the opposite of that long running consective win streak of Homecoming wins we had for 20+ years.  Ironically, same score as last year's loss to IWU.

Anyway, Carthage will, indeed, be a tough game, even though it is the home opener for Hope.  However, I doubt that Carthage will throw up 70 against us, especially at the Annual Community Day - although I will be very surprised as well as extremely disappointed if that occurs.

Good news is that our punting and kicking game looks good so far this year.  A nice 43 yard average for our man!

RE: Butler - it was good to hear that they are aiming for a return to DI - IMO, they should do that in keeping with their other sports.  Sounds like they are markedly improved and well on the way to building a nice foundation for the goal.  For sure, if they intend to return to that level. they need to build a new football stadium after "ransacking" and basically dismantling the old Butler Bowl (which, admittedly, was apparently in need of much repair).  No upset by Albion and no just "squeeking by" Albion by Bulter this year. ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 09, 2009, 08:58:05 PM
As you mention, another consecutive non-leauge as well as season-opening loss for Hope.  This is not fun and is getting to be the opposite of that long running consective win streak of Homecoming wins we had for 20+ years.  Ironically, same score as last year's loss to IWU.

Anyway, Carthage will, indeed, be a tough game, even though it is the home opener for Hope.  However, I doubt that Carthage will throw up 70 against us, especially at the Annual Community Day - although I will be very surprised as well as extremely disappointed if that occurs.

Good news is that our punting and kicking game looks good so far this year.  A nice 43 yard average for our man!

RE: Butler - it was good to hear that they are aiming for a return to DI - IMO, they should do that in keeping with their other sports.  Sounds like they are markedly improved and well on the way to building a nice foundation for the goal.  For sure, if they intend to return to that level. they need to build a new football stadium after "ransacking" and basically dismantling the old Butler Bowl (which, admittedly, was apparently in need of much repair).  No upset by Albion and no just "squeeking by" Albion by Bulter this year. ;D



Former 3db,

We lived in Western Michigan in the latter part of the mid-nineties. Although a Buckeye and a MUC alum and player, I could not undertand why the MIAA conference did not have some dominate teams. I followed MSU after OSU and met several people from MIAA schools. The people and many of the schools were great.

Any thoughts why the programs are not like many in the OAC? Not all the best players all go to MSU and U of M.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2009, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 09, 2009, 08:58:05 PM
As you mention, another consecutive non-leauge as well as season-opening loss for Hope.  This is not fun and is getting to be the opposite of that long running consective win streak of Homecoming wins we had for 20+ years.  Ironically, same score as last year's loss to IWU.

Anyway, Carthage will, indeed, be a tough game, even though it is the home opener for Hope.  However, I doubt that Carthage will throw up 70 against us, especially at the Annual Community Day - although I will be very surprised as well as extremely disappointed if that occurs.

Good news is that our punting and kicking game looks good so far this year.  A nice 43 yard average for our man!

RE: Butler - it was good to hear that they are aiming for a return to DI - IMO, they should do that in keeping with their other sports.  Sounds like they are markedly improved and well on the way to building a nice foundation for the goal.  For sure, if they intend to return to that level. they need to build a new football stadium after "ransacking" and basically dismantling the old Butler Bowl (which, admittedly, was apparently in need of much repair).  No upset by Albion and no just "squeeking by" Albion by Bulter this year. ;D



Former 3db,

We lived in Western Michigan in the latter part of the mid-nineties. Although a Buckeye and a MUC alum and player, I could not undertand why the MIAA conference did not have some dominate teams. I followed MSU after OSU and met several people from MIAA schools. The people and many of the schools were great.

Any thoughts why the programs are not like many in the OAC? Not all the best players all go to MSU and U of M.


Michigan has some of the best programs in d2 - especially perennial title winner/contender Grand Valley.  I suspect that there may be no other state that has quite the siphoning of otherwise d3 talent to d2 that Michigan has.  And, of course, there are the d1 MAC schools - MIAA doesn't lose to specifically UM and MSU (those guys wouldn't be d3 anyway - not even at MUC! ;)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2009, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 09, 2009, 08:58:05 PM
As you mention, another consecutive non-leauge as well as season-opening loss for Hope.  This is not fun and is getting to be the opposite of that long running consective win streak of Homecoming wins we had for 20+ years.  Ironically, same score as last year's loss to IWU.

Anyway, Carthage will, indeed, be a tough game, even though it is the home opener for Hope.  However, I doubt that Carthage will throw up 70 against us, especially at the Annual Community Day - although I will be very surprised as well as extremely disappointed if that occurs.

Good news is that our punting and kicking game looks good so far this year.  A nice 43 yard average for our man!

RE: Butler - it was good to hear that they are aiming for a return to DI - IMO, they should do that in keeping with their other sports.  Sounds like they are markedly improved and well on the way to building a nice foundation for the goal.  For sure, if they intend to return to that level. they need to build a new football stadium after "ransacking" and basically dismantling the old Butler Bowl (which, admittedly, was apparently in need of much repair).  No upset by Albion and no just "squeeking by" Albion by Bulter this year. ;D



Former 3db,

We lived in Western Michigan in the latter part of the mid-nineties. Although a Buckeye and a MUC alum and player, I could not undertand why the MIAA conference did not have some dominate teams. I followed MSU after OSU and met several people from MIAA schools. The people and many of the schools were great.

Any thoughts why the programs are not like many in the OAC? Not all the best players all go to MSU and U of M.


Michigan has some of the best programs in d2 - especially perennial title winner/contender Grand Valley.  I suspect that there may be no other state that has quite the siphoning of otherwise d3 talent to d2 that Michigan has.  And, of course, there are the d1 MAC schools - MIAA doesn't lose to specifically UM and MSU (those guys wouldn't be d3 anyway - not even at MUC! ;)).

Mr. Ypsi,

You are right, I forgot about the top level D2 programs there including Grand Valley being the top one. Are they poised for another title this year?

We, like you have many D1 programs in the MAC that attract the many athletes that do go to OSU. That said, what school in the MIAA can be a playoff contender this year?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2009, 12:15:31 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2009, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 09, 2009, 08:58:05 PM
As you mention, another consecutive non-leauge as well as season-opening loss for Hope.  This is not fun and is getting to be the opposite of that long running consective win streak of Homecoming wins we had for 20+ years.  Ironically, same score as last year's loss to IWU.

Anyway, Carthage will, indeed, be a tough game, even though it is the home opener for Hope.  However, I doubt that Carthage will throw up 70 against us, especially at the Annual Community Day - although I will be very surprised as well as extremely disappointed if that occurs.

Good news is that our punting and kicking game looks good so far this year.  A nice 43 yard average for our man!

RE: Butler - it was good to hear that they are aiming for a return to DI - IMO, they should do that in keeping with their other sports.  Sounds like they are markedly improved and well on the way to building a nice foundation for the goal.  For sure, if they intend to return to that level. they need to build a new football stadium after "ransacking" and basically dismantling the old Butler Bowl (which, admittedly, was apparently in need of much repair).  No upset by Albion and no just "squeeking by" Albion by Bulter this year. ;D



Former 3db,

We lived in Western Michigan in the latter part of the mid-nineties. Although a Buckeye and a MUC alum and player, I could not undertand why the MIAA conference did not have some dominate teams. I followed MSU after OSU and met several people from MIAA schools. The people and many of the schools were great.

Any thoughts why the programs are not like many in the OAC? Not all the best players all go to MSU and U of M.


Michigan has some of the best programs in d2 - especially perennial title winner/contender Grand Valley.  I suspect that there may be no other state that has quite the siphoning of otherwise d3 talent to d2 that Michigan has.  And, of course, there are the d1 MAC schools - MIAA doesn't lose to specifically UM and MSU (those guys wouldn't be d3 anyway - not even at MUC! ;)).

Mr. Ypsi,

You are right, I forgot about the top level D2 programs there including Grand Valley being the top one. Are they poised for another title this year?

We, like you have many D1 programs in the MAC that attract the many athletes that do go to OSU. That said, what school in the MIAA can be a playoff contender this year?

Just after I hit 'send' it occurred to me that the MAC is more an Ohio conference than a Michigan conference, but the MAC probably has only slight overlap with d3 on recruits.  I'd imagine that most MAC recruits plan on a scholarship (with only slight exceptions for family ties).  MIAA schools get occasional players who saw the hand writing on the wall at MAC schools, but the basic competition is d2 (and NAIA) schools.  Often the economic difference is not that drastic, but the allure of 'athletic scholarship' can be big for an 18 year old's ego.

I really don't follow d2 - I'd assume that it is still GVSU and Saginaw, but I just don't know.

As far as the MIAA, after last year one has to assume that Trine is the favorite.  Adrian is certainly a contender (I'll be very interested in their game Saturday), and Hope should never be counted out (they have a habit of going 0-fer on the non-con, then winning the conference).  We can assume that Calvin is not a contender. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 10, 2009, 12:19:44 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 10:07:38 PM

You are right, I forgot about the top level D2 programs there including Grand Valley being the top one. Are they poised for another title this year?



GVSU is currently ranked #1, SVSU #13, Ashland #17 from the GLIAC

coincidently  GVSU hosts SVSU this weekend
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 10, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2009, 12:15:31 AM
We can assume that Calvin is not a contender. ;)

Indeed we can.  :)  Trine is the favorite, but in addition to them, Hope, Adrian, and Alma look like the most likely contenders this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 10, 2009, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 10:07:38 PM

Mr. Ypsi,

You are right, I forgot about the top level D2 programs there including Grand Valley being the top one. Are they poised for another title this year?

We, like you have many D1 programs in the MAC that attract the many athletes that do go to OSU. That said, what school in the MIAA can be a playoff contender this year?


a little more info.........

Ohio High Schools 718
Michigan High Schools 622
----------------------------------

D1 programs

Ohio--(7) Akron, Bowling Green, Kent St, Miami, Ohio, Ohio State, Toledo
Michigan--(5) Central Mich, Eastern Mich, Michigan, Michigan State, Western Mich

FCS or D1AA
Ohio--(2) Dayton, Youngstown State
Michigan--none

D2 programs
Ohio-- (3) Ashland, Findley, Tiffin
Michigan-- (8 ) Grand Valley St, Ferris St., Hillsdale, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, Northwood,   Saginaw Valley St., Wayne State

NAIA programs
Ohio -- (4)  Malone, Urbana, Ohio Dominican, Walsh
Michigan --none

Total scholarships available (excluding NAIA)
Ohio--766
Michigan 713

obviously this does not take into account scholarships that go to out of state students.   This is crude, but there is 1 scholarship for every 46 Ohio football players, vs 1 scholarship for every 50 Michigan football players.

The biggest difference...........
Consider that the State of Michigan has approx. 4500 fewer kids playing football (based on a complete guess of avg roster of 50 for both states).  The talent pool is simply not as deep, nor is the football culture as strong state wide in Michigan.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 10, 2009, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: sac on September 10, 2009, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 10:07:38 PM

Mr. Ypsi,

You are right, I forgot about the top level D2 programs there including Grand Valley being the top one. Are they poised for another title this year?

We, like you have many D1 programs in the MAC that attract the many athletes that do go to OSU. That said, what school in the MIAA can be a playoff contender this year?


a little more info.........

Ohio High Schools 718
Michigan High Schools 622
----------------------------------

D1 programs

Ohio--(7) Akron, Bowling Green, Kent St, Miami, Ohio, Ohio State, Toledo
Michigan--(5) Central Mich, Eastern Mich, Michigan, Michigan State, Western Mich

FCS or D1AA
Ohio--(2) Dayton, Youngstown State
Michigan--none

D2 programs
Ohio-- (3) Ashland, Findley, Tiffin
Michigan-- (8 ) Grand Valley St, Ferris St., Hillsdale, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, Northwood,   Saginaw Valley St., Wayne State

NAIA programs
Ohio -- (4)  Malone, Urbana, Ohio Dominican, Walsh
Michigan --none

Total scholarships available (excluding NAIA)
Ohio--766
Michigan 713

obviously this does not take into account scholarships that go to out of state students.   This is crude, but there is 1 scholarship for every 46 Ohio football players, vs 1 scholarship for every 50 Michigan football players.

The biggest difference...........
Consider that the State of Michigan has approx. 4500 fewer kids playing football (based on a complete guess of avg roster of 50 for both states).  The talent pool is simply not as deep, nor is the football culture as strong state wide in Michigan.





Mr. Ypsi,

Great information and while I knew the Ohio numbers, I was unsure of those in Michigan.

Thanks for your work. Also, I am a CMU alum in addition to MUC, so
I have ties to both states.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on September 10, 2009, 09:40:21 PM
No offensive intended Sac, but you neglected two other Ohio programs - Lake Erie joins the GLIAC next season and those Cincinnati Bearcats of Brian Kelley's...

Raider68 - when were you strolling the scenic  :D, environs of Mt P?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 10, 2009, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 10, 2009, 09:40:21 PM
No offensive intended Sac, but you neglected two other Ohio programs - Lake Erie joins the GLIAC next season and those Cincinnati Bearcats of Brian Kelley's...

Raider68 - when were you strolling the scenic  :D, environs of Mt P?

Sac,

Sorry I gave credit to Mr. Ypsi for all your stats.........good job.

Cave2bens,

Received my MBA from CMU 1975-1976, how about your time there?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on September 10, 2009, 11:38:17 PM
68 -

Sent you a message.  ;D

cave2bens
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 11, 2009, 07:13:28 AM
Good research guys.

My simple comment is it has been to long, MIAA desparately needs a Playoff win.

I do not see that this year, no real powerhouse in the league on a national level. :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
Raider 68:

Welcome to the board.  My apologies for this tardy reply to your initial post.  At any rate, I won't reiterate here the reasons why most people feel the level of DIII talent here in Michigan has somewhat decreased in the last 1 1/2 decades as Mr. Ypsi and others have covered that quite well (i.e. the improvement/development of the DII programs).  Many of us had a rather extensive discussion on that here on this and other boards last year.  Many of the MIAA coaches here believe that is the main reason as well.

Don't get me wrong; DIII football in Michigan is still very good collegiate football and there are many very good players in high schools in Michigan that are not able to make it at the DIII level schools.  Competition is still good, and while we all know that, overall, most of the DIII players are a step too slow and/or a bit too small for DI level football, still there are those occasional players being (non) recruited by those latter schools who can indeed make it there.  It also depends on having the opportunity to be in the right place at the right time (i.e. the #'s game at one's position at a DI school as well as one's specific position).  Then there is also the fact that a few MIAA players have made it in the NFL for a short time.   

Anyway, we'll look forward to your additional contributions to discussions here on our board.  BTW, while you were at CMU, one of my high school best buddies played there, while I was playing at Hope.  Of course, CMU had that great championship year in 1974!  Speaking of them, will they pull another upset tomorrow against MSU like they did in the 1990's?? ??? :o     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2009, 06:26:47 PM
Quote from: D306 on September 11, 2009, 07:13:28 AM
Good research guys.

My simple comment is it has been to long, MIAA desparately needs a Playoff win.

I do not see that this year, no real powerhouse in the league on a national level. :'(

Yes, it has been a very long and disappointing stretch since Albion's National Championship in the Stagg Bowl back in 1994.  Like all of you, right now, I'd just settle for one playoff win.  I agree with you and the others that will be difficult again this year, unless one of our teams "takes off like a bat out of The Lake of Fire" from mid-season on! :o ;D ::) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2009, 06:28:29 PM
Yes, great research as usual sac!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 12, 2009, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 11, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
Raider 68:

Welcome to the board.  My apologies for this tardy reply to your initial post.  At any rate, I won't reiterate here the reasons why most people feel the level of DIII talent here in Michigan has somewhat decreased in the last 1 1/2 decades as Mr. Ypsi and others have covered that quite well (i.e. the improvement/development of the DII programs).  Many of us had a rather extensive discussion on that here on this and other boards last year.  Many of the MIAA coaches here believe that is the main reason as well.

Don't get me wrong; DIII football in Michigan is still very good collegiate football and there are many very good players in high schools in Michigan that are not able to make it at the DIII level schools.  Competition is still good, and while we all know that, overall, most of the DIII players are a step too slow and/or a bit too small for DI level football, still there are those occasional players being (non) recruited by those latter schools who can indeed make it there.  It also depends on having the opportunity to be in the right place at the right time (i.e. the #'s game at one's position at a DI school as well as one's specific position).  Then there is also the fact that a few MIAA players have made it in the NFL for a short time.   

Anyway, we'll look forward to your additional contributions to discussions here on our board.  BTW, while you were at CMU, one of my high school best buddies played there, while I was playing at Hope.  Of course, CMU had that great championship year in 1974!  Speaking of them, will they pull another upset tomorrow against MSU like they did in the 1990's?? ??? :o     

Former3db,

Thanks for your reply. Although a Buckeye, MUC grad and player, I do follow
CMU little and look for MSU in the Big Ten standings. I think the game today CMU/MSU could be a good one.

I agree DIII in Michigan is not as strong as Ohio, but sac's comparison
shows overall that both states have areas of strength. In today's economy especially, competition for new students and players is all that moe difficult
and while Ohio has been tough economically, Michigan is worse. It is
much easier to attract the best athletes when the school is making news (MUC) vs. others compete in a tougher environment.

What I have seen lately is some of the smaller schools in Ohio are in the process of rebranding themselves in order to attract new and more students and athletes. That process takes planning and resources.

Hope the MIAA can poduce a playoff contender!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2009, 10:31:43 AM
Raider 68:

You are welcome and thanks for your reply back.  I agree with you regarding many of the schools having to implement strategic planning for the future to attract students and that includes in the athletic areas, not just academics.  While some people may think that is essentially "keeping up with the Jones's", in reality that is what it takes i.e. competition for both.  Your MUC did that over a several year period - I remember when they were not that good in football.  Yet with the right vision from past administrations, that has obviously become a complete turn around and the school has grown in all areas, not just football.  Same can be said for some schools in our conference such as Olivet and Adrian, which have built new facilities for both athletics and academics to attract more students.  

As far as Hope, the campus and athletic facilities have also been expanded, yet they have not had any lack of being able to attract students in this economic times as opposed to some other DIII schools.  As far as the football aspect, while we've had huge numbers for players each year, I'm not sure how that translates into why we haven't been able to get back to a higher level of being able to compete with some of the stronger non-conference teams, other than the "DII factor" as has been discussed.  It certainly is not the coaching because our staff has done a tremendous job and inspired getting the best out of our talent.  But as has been said, the student-athletes coming out of high school today have more options regarding all the academic and athletic considerations at the collegiate level today (aside from i.e. not including the top "blue-chippers" who will obviously only consider DI level options and are not DIII material in regards to this situation).  Then again, the more important academic purpose is and always will be the mainstay of the DIII model.  That doesn't mean we don't want to not get to the highest level of competition in our arena as you know!

Anyway, thanks for the well-wishes for an MIAA playoff contender.  Perhaps we'll (and I hope it would be Hope, of course) get another shot at your MUC someday (although that is most likely a long time away).  However, as we've discussed, that first playoff game roadblock has to be taken care of!    

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2009, 02:14:47 PM
Just flipping through briefly and saw the mention of steps to attract students in the future.  The new admin at Adrian is doing something very right, enrollment is up in the 1600 range now, built a brand new apartment complex and had to convert lobbies into dorm rooms, not a bad problem to have!

On another note Adrian leads Defiance 14-0 early in the second quarter.  Defense is making things very tough on Defiance, Adrian is handling the Defiance OL right now, DL looks great so far.  Offense looks solid so far, if they can gain some more consistency that was lacking last week things should be okay, they have a dearth of talent. 

Adrian just completes a long bomb down the Defiance sideline, Adrian ball at the Defiance 2 so Id imagine its gonna be 21-0 here shortly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2009, 02:18:06 PM
Good stand by Defiance, TFL on first down after a penalty forced Adrian back and to settle for a field goal.  17-0 Adrian over Defiance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 12, 2009, 03:26:13 PM
dawg - it is turning ugly...watching the live video on the iphone and it is sitting at 31-2

DC cant seem to do anything right.  drive it to the goaline and fumble thank goodness Adrian screwed up the snap to get the saftey on the next play.

As long as OSU represents the Big 10 (in a good way) tonight!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: aw11 on September 12, 2009, 03:33:28 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 10, 2009, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: sac on September 10, 2009, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 09, 2009, 10:07:38 PM

Mr. Ypsi,

You are right, I forgot about the top level D2 programs there including Grand Valley being the top one. Are they poised for another title this year?

We, like you have many D1 programs in the MAC that attract the many athletes that do go to OSU. That said, what school in the MIAA can be a playoff contender this year?


a little more info.........

Ohio High Schools 718
Michigan High Schools 622
----------------------------------

D1 programs

Ohio--(7) Akron, Bowling Green, Kent St, Miami, Ohio, Ohio State, Toledo
Michigan--(5) Central Mich, Eastern Mich, Michigan, Michigan State, Western Mich

FCS or D1AA
Ohio--(2) Dayton, Youngstown State
Michigan--none

D2 programs
Ohio-- (3) Ashland, Findley, Tiffin
Michigan-- (8 ) Grand Valley St, Ferris St., Hillsdale, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, Northwood,   Saginaw Valley St., Wayne State

NAIA programs
Ohio -- (4)  Malone, Urbana, Ohio Dominican, Walsh
Michigan --none

Total scholarships available (excluding NAIA)
Ohio--766
Michigan 713

obviously this does not take into account scholarships that go to out of state students.   This is crude, but there is 1 scholarship for every 46 Ohio football players, vs 1 scholarship for every 50 Michigan football players.

The biggest difference...........
Consider that the State of Michigan has approx. 4500 fewer kids playing football (based on a complete guess of avg roster of 50 for both states).  The talent pool is simply not as deep, nor is the football culture as strong state wide in Michigan.





Mr. Ypsi,

Great information and while I knew the Ohio numbers, I was unsure of those in Michigan.

Thanks for your work. Also, I am a CMU alum in addition to MUC, so
I have ties to both states.



Don't forget about the University of Cincinnati also Lake Erie College (D2) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 12, 2009, 03:35:36 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 12, 2009, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 11, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
Raider 68:

Welcome to the board.  My apologies for this tardy reply to your initial post.  At any rate, I won't reiterate here the reasons why most people feel the level of DIII talent here in Michigan has somewhat decreased in the last 1 1/2 decades as Mr. Ypsi and others have covered that quite well (i.e. the improvement/development of the DII programs).  Many of us had a rather extensive discussion on that here on this and other boards last year.  Many of the MIAA coaches here believe that is the main reason as well.

Don't get me wrong; DIII football in Michigan is still very good collegiate football and there are many very good players in high schools in Michigan that are not able to make it at the DIII level schools.  Competition is still good, and while we all know that, overall, most of the DIII players are a step too slow and/or a bit too small for DI level football, still there are those occasional players being (non) recruited by those latter schools who can indeed make it there.  It also depends on having the opportunity to be in the right place at the right time (i.e. the #'s game at one's position at a DI school as well as one's specific position).  Then there is also the fact that a few MIAA players have made it in the NFL for a short time.   

Anyway, we'll look forward to your additional contributions to discussions here on our board.  BTW, while you were at CMU, one of my high school best buddies played there, while I was playing at Hope.  Of course, CMU had that great championship year in 1974!  Speaking of them, will they pull another upset tomorrow against MSU like they did in the 1990's?? ??? :o     

Former3db,

Thanks for your reply. Although a Buckeye, MUC grad and player, I do follow
CMU little and look for MSU in the Big Ten standings. I think the game today CMU/MSU could be a good one.

I agree DIII in Michigan is not as strong as Ohio, but sac's comparison
shows overall that both states have areas of strength. In today's economy especially, competition for new students and players is all that moe difficult
and while Ohio has been tough economically, Michigan is worse. It is
much easier to attract the best athletes when the school is making news (MUC) vs. others compete in a tougher environment.

What I have seen lately is some of the smaller schools in Ohio are in the process of rebranding themselves in order to attract new and more students and athletes. That process takes planning and resources.

Hope the MIAA can poduce a playoff contender!

Former3db.

How about those Chips beating MSU, I am proud of my other Alma Mater!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2009, 04:23:50 PM
70_dc_alum,

Im gonna assume that Adrian was in shotgun on the safety play?  I know thats their thing on every play and it can turn ugly when you get a bad snap.  I watched it in and out on the live feed online, kudos to Defiance on that.  I didnt catch the last two TD? Did Adrian still have the starting defense in? Either way I cant imagine that Adrians DC will be to happy with that ending.  Good rebound for Adrian, way to get on the board with a W, keep it rolling!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2009, 04:24:58 PM
Am I reading the Adrian v Defiance stats right? Adrian had 10 sacks on the day?  Great effort!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 12, 2009, 04:25:48 PM
I'm seeing some early scores:

Illinois Wesleyan beats Alma 43 - 7 (from IWU's website).
Adrian beats Defiance 31 - 16 (LiveStats).
Kalamazoo beats Rockford 44 - 9 (D3football.com)
Carthage beats Hope 26 - 19 (D3football.com)

Looks like Elmhurst beat Olivet, but I can't find the "final" yet.  I haven't found anything on Albion/Thiel. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 12, 2009, 05:19:50 PM
not sure on safety I was in the middle of discussing with ATT why there DSL was jacked up and I heard was fumbled snap and when I picked up the phone to look was a big pile in the endzone

Defiance played better in the second half not sure if both TD was against 2s or not

10 sacks would not suprise me Adrian dline was owning the oline
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
Raider 68:
Yes, that was exciting.  I had a feeling that CMU would pull the upset today, although most Mich State people were prediciting an MSU victory in the range of 34-10.  A great win for CMU.  Last week against Arizona, although they only lost by 19-6, the stats, however, showed that Arizona really smashed them.  Anyway, one of our player's dads who played at CMU was at the game today and was obviously elated at his alma mater's win - but was made bittersweet when Hope lost.

Also, Toledo beat Colorado last night at Toledo 54-38 quite impressively.  I was, however, disappointed that Toledo couldn't even fill their Glass Bowl - it was nowhere near full - pehaps half at the most and that was obviously on the home side.  Not sure of the Indiana-Western Mich final score; Kent State was blasted by Boston College I believe.  Anyway, the MAC is doing better in showings against the more major teams.  Parity, better coaching, improved players or a combination of all three?!!!

DAWG:
Congrats on your alma mater Adrian's win today, although not sure how to measure/assess that regarding Adrian's actual team strength as Defiance is just not a good team this year.  However, any win is great and we'll take those for our teams anytime. 


Let It Rain: 
Elmhurst beat Olivet 17-9 today as I recall.  Like you, without checking Albion/Tiel here on D3.com right now, I am not sure on that score.

Okay for the Hope rundown:  A very disappointing day.  Hope actually gave the game away.  They played better than I thought, however, same old mistakes of poor secondary play, a missed FG and extra point, not scoring from the Red Zone, and LB getting caught up inside on the endruns.  Some good sparks of offense with some great catches, however Frey at QB had an "off day" many overthrows and just plain missing his targets.  Carthage was a smaller sized team, but hit very, very hard.  Their QB (at 200 lbs) was a good runner and good arm, good recievers also.  Hope lost the game in the last 5-6 minutes, allowing Carthage to tie up the score at 19-19; then when having them pinned down around the goal line, allowed a 17 yard pass for first down, then a long bomb and Carthage goes into score to win it with 50 seconds left.  An INT in the waning seconds ended it for good.  In all, a  very disappointing loss which could have given Hope a big boost.  Decent Community Day crowd and a beautiful sunny day in the mid-high '70's after thick fog burned off by noon.

Seeing that Illinois Wesleyan beat Alma quite handily today, I guess with Hope only losing to them last week by 28-25 isn't all that bad.  However, as Head Coach Dean Kreps said after the game today to the team in the immediate post-game huddle, Hope needs to find ways to win games - they have to finish it and play all 60 minutes - instead of poor techniques and just plain failure to execute.  BTW, one unfortunate note:  our Sr. kicker/punter Hazecamp went down with a knee injury which could be season ending.  Hopefully not, although final results will be pending the next few days.  I/we wish him the best.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on September 12, 2009, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2009, 04:23:50 PM
Im gonna assume that Adrian was in shotgun on the safety play?  I know thats their thing on every play and it can turn ugly when you get a bad snap.  I watched it in and out on the live feed online, kudos to Defiance on that.  I didnt catch the last two TD? Did Adrian still have the starting defense in? Either way I cant imagine that Adrians DC will be to happy with that ending.  Good rebound for Adrian, way to get on the board with a W, keep it rolling!
Yes, Adrian was in the shotgun.  The snap was at his feet.  From my seat on the 50, it looked like the QB put his knee on the ground when he picked up the ball, but they didn't blow it dead until he was actually tackled.  Guess it doesn't matter.

I got the feeling the 2nd string D was in, but I can't tell you that for sure.  If I was an Adrian coach, I'd be more upset about the 12 penalties for 130 yards than the late scores.  In fact, a roughing the passer helped DC on the first TD drive and a fair catch interference and a horse-collar tackle moved DC down the field on the second drive.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 12, 2009, 10:03:46 PM
Altor:

Yeah I heard the penalties were an issue.  Upon further review the second string defense played the whole 4th quarter so thats where the scores came in.  Penalties will be killers every time.

Adrian was in shotgun on the safety play, thats what they run out of 99% of the time on offense, I can probably count the number of under center plays in the last 3 years on one hand and if not one hand, than two.  It has been working for them though, as the offense has been putting up some serious numbers.  The running game at this point still troubles me as they dont seem to be having much success there.

formerd3db:

A win is a win and if nothing else it will build confidence and enthusiasm.  Defiance has been a down team it seems like for about 3 years now, they were very poor up front on offense, although Adrians DL from my experience can make many players look that way.  There feet seemed slow and that was reflected in the school record 10 sacks on the day. 
Looks like Hope played Carthage tough this year, I know last year they gave up a ton of points in that game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 13, 2009, 02:46:32 PM
Sloopy game for the Brits.  Losing 20-10 at Thiel in their home opener.

No offense intended to Thiel but this is a game Albion should/could have won.

4 turnovers was the official record, numerous bad exchanges as the Brits continue to rotate QB's. Albion was down 13-0 right out of the gate first 2 possesions for Thiel.

2nd play of the game Albion lost a Senior DE to a ACL injury, and with 2 other starters on the DL out the Brits were very thin and very young on the line again.
The defense seemed to be more comfortable with the new alingment, after the initial adjustments and shock of losing another key starter to injury.

Shut Thiel down after the first quarter. The Brits trying to force a tunrover late got caught pinching the routes and gave up a long TD pass late in the 4th quarter.

Offense was inside the Thiel 30 numerous times, losing the ball to a bad snap leading to a funmble, a fumble after gaining a 1st down, and a missed FG all in the second half.

Looks like the offense was slowly getting thier rythem, with movement but inconsistent offense. Turnovers and the lack of capitalizing inside the Red Zone killed the comeback.

I expect the Brits will decide on a starting QB this week, and he will play the majority of the snaps in the last non-conference game. Albion heads into a BYE week after next weeks game, then starts the Conference schedule.  Albion needs the BYE week hopefully they return after the BYE with most of the early season injuries cleared up, 1st team all conference DL Captain is still not playing, starting DB out, returning 2nd team all conference RB has not seen the field yet, find out this week if DE is lost for the season.

I felt going into the season Albion was going to make some noise in the league. I still feel that way, hard to say after seeing the last 2 weeks. This weeks game proved they have the talent to win games, the sloopy play must improve the turnovers and bad exchanges have to end. Hopefully the injured players get back on the field. The lack of depth and youth of the team is showing, not enough depth to have solid playmakers behind the starters in key positions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 14, 2009, 04:48:33 PM
I have been reading your discussion concerning DIII football quality drop off in Michigan.  I can remember in the not too distant past Wabash and DePauw used to play back to back against Albion and Hope and get all they wanted.  From the present discussion, there appears to be fingers pointed toward cost of the MIAA liberal arts colleges as responsible for the change (drop) as well as the rise of Grand Valley and other D II schools ... going after the same gene pool. 

While I think there is truth that these factors are certainly ones to be confronted and they have a substantive " hand" in this, I don't think that is the core of the matter.   I believe the quality of Michigan football is and remains, in general, very good and Michigan footballers are in fact under recruited.  Wabash comes up here and recruits several kids each year from the state (both east and west sides) who go on to become good students and impact players. 

I think the problem is (external) one of recruiting area and also (internal) in acceptance of the "state of the union".  First the internal:  There was an article in the Grand Rapids Press about the time preseason practice started wherein a couple of coaches from MIAA schools in our GR Area were quoted as essentially saying they just were having trouble recruiting against D II etc. etc. etc. with the result they didn't have the quality teams other area D III schools had.  (Go dig out the GR Press Article.  I could not believe what I was reading.)  If I were a young stud athlete who can academically make it, this article would have sealed it for me AGAINST an MIAA choice. You have to really really believe in yourself and your product before others will.   No disrespect here ... rather respect toward example: Smith and his coaching and his talents in understanding his school and product and recruiting for Hope.

The second is external: If you look at the Wabash roster you will see a change from years ago.  While Indiana still furnishes the great majority of players, Calif, AZ, MI, Tx, Fla, Ohio, Ill. ... just to mention a few ... are all there.  We changed and enlarged our opportunity area.  (Opportunity for Wabash and opportunity for the students and families being recruited.)  We did not change our academic criteria or cost/scholarship/financial aid programs.  We did upgrade facilities and but largely ... we simply worked harder and ranged further.  We believed in ourselves and what the College had to offer and took Div II and NAIA head up.

From my perspective and experience with the Wabash football program, I really think successful Div III recruyiting requires a wider recruiting area.  There are lots of opportunities out there and youngsters (and their parents) are not always the brightest ones at understanding WHY you choose a Kalamazoo College or a Hope or an Albion ...  they often have trouble understanding that football is not the end but rather an important "add" to what College and future opportunity for their son is all about. 

I think you have to go out there and never apologise or find an excuse in a D II or whatever.  Take them head up ... sell your product.  The parents and students (and sadly the same is true of high school counselors) need to be educated and made "smart enough" to understand what your school IS offering them, the opportunities that WILL open up to them ... not smoke and mirrors but REALLY.  They will pick you and be glad they did and become your missionaries.

Your school's winning track record with academics and preparation for the future careers are a most important "weapon".  Cost, can usually come reasonably close.  They just need to really understand that if you want to ... example ... go to medical school  YOU CAN GET THERE if you work from (place name) your MIAA school ... AND we are going to have a vibrant and winning football program in Div III, even planning to defeat Mount Union or Wisc Whitewater in the not too distant future.

It was fun playiing Albion and Hope.  I regret we no longer (due to scheduling problems) do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 14, 2009, 05:51:55 PM
Wabco good post...I would agree the confidence level is not near what it was in the 90's in the MIAA (no not becuase Defiance left after the 99 season :) )

i would counter though there is a significant drop off in talent in MI.  but that is strictly in Detroit and reserved for Ford field and those pesky Lions!!! (thats bad considering I'm a Bengals Fan)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 14, 2009, 10:23:45 PM
Quote from: wabco on September 14, 2009, 04:48:33 PM
I have been reading your discussion concerning DIII football quality drop off in Michigan.  I can remember in the not too distant past Wabash and DePauw used to play back to back against Albion and Hope and get all they wanted.  From the present discussion, there appears to be fingers pointed toward cost of the MIAA liberal arts colleges as responsible for the change (drop) as well as the rise of Grand Valley and other D II schools ... going after the same gene pool. 

While I think there is truth that these factors are certainly ones to be confronted and they have a substantive " hand" in this, I don't think that is the core of the matter.   I believe the quality of Michigan football is and remains, in general, very good and Michigan footballers are in fact under recruited.  Wabash comes up here and recruits several kids each year from the state (both east and west sides) who go on to become good students and impact players. 

I think the problem is (external) one of recruiting area and also (internal) in acceptance of the "state of the union".  First the internal:  There was an article in the Grand Rapids Press about the time preseason practice started wherein a couple of coaches from MIAA schools in our GR Area were quoted as essentially saying they just were having trouble recruiting against D II etc. etc. etc. with the result they didn't have the quality teams other area D III schools had.  (Go dig out the GR Press Article.  I could not believe what I was reading.)  If I were a young stud athlete who can academically make it, this article would have sealed it for me AGAINST an MIAA choice. You have to really really believe in yourself and your product before others will.   No disrespect here ... rather respect toward example: Smith and his coaching and his talents in understanding his school and product and recruiting for Hope.

The second is external: If you look at the Wabash roster you will see a change from years ago.  While Indiana still furnishes the great majority of players, Calif, AZ, MI, Tx, Fla, Ohio, Ill. ... just to mention a few ... are all there.  We changed and enlarged our opportunity area.  (Opportunity for Wabash and opportunity for the students and families being recruited.)  We did not change our academic criteria or cost/scholarship/financial aid programs.  We did upgrade facilities and but largely ... we simply worked harder and ranged further.  We believed in ourselves and what the College had to offer and took Div II and NAIA head up.

From my perspective and experience with the Wabash football program, I really think successful Div III recruyiting requires a wider recruiting area.  There are lots of opportunities out there and youngsters (and their parents) are not always the brightest ones at understanding WHY you choose a Kalamazoo College or a Hope or an Albion ...  they often have trouble understanding that football is not the end but rather an important "add" to what College and future opportunity for their son is all about. 

I think you have to go out there and never apologise or find an excuse in a D II or whatever.  Take them head up ... sell your product.  The parents and students (and sadly the same is true of high school counselors) need to be educated and made "smart enough" to understand what your school IS offering them, the opportunities that WILL open up to them ... not smoke and mirrors but REALLY.  They will pick you and be glad they did and become your missionaries.

Your school's winning track record with academics and preparation for the future careers are a most important "weapon".  Cost, can usually come reasonably close.  They just need to really understand that if you want to ... example ... go to medical school  YOU CAN GET THERE if you work from (place name) your MIAA school ... AND we are going to have a vibrant and winning football program in Div III, even planning to defeat Mount Union or Wisc Whitewater in the not too distant future.

It was fun playiing Albion and Hope.  I regret we no longer (due to scheduling problems) do.


Wabco,

On the subject of geographic recruiting here is a brief summary of Mount Union's freshman class:

- Total freshman- 111
- Ohio 52%
- Florida 14%
- Penn. 6%
- New York 5 %
- Indiana 5%
- Michigan 5%

The other 11 states account for 19% of the class
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2009, 11:39:25 PM
wabaco:

Excellent post and I agree with the majority of what you said.  However, I will say this: the "DII factor" is a reality.  I have talked with many parents in recent years whose sons are in their college search and the lure of the athletic scholarship simply because of "that in name" and what it implies is there, even though DII scholarship limits are smaller and the actuall scholarship being not really a full ride.  Going to Hope, or Albion or Kazoo is a steep price compared to the DII schools (I will quailify this also by saying I mean no disrespect to the DII school education because students will get a good education there IF they apply themselves just like you say regardless of where they attend).  Unless a student-athlete qualifies for a substantial amount of finanicial aid need at a Hope or Kazoo, etc., many parents cannot simply afford that.  I know this from experiene because my wife and I just spent over $200,000 for two daughters to attend 4 full years at Hope (and while they both graduated cum laude with high grades, their academic scholarships were small compared to financial aid packages many other students quailify for in need and what they receive.  In this day and age, unfortunately, the cost is a major factor, regardless of how much a prosepective student-athlete may like a school and wish to participate in their particular football program.   Again, as I mentioned, most (although not all) of the DIII schools in other states bordering MI are $10,000-12,000 more in cost than most of the MIAA school.  I would chose (I'll use my own alma mater as an example) my Hope over the DII schools in a hearbeat for all the reasons you say and find a way for my kid to go.  However, there are many, many factors that come into such decisions as you know (aside from recruiting and selling your school), yet cost is an undeniable aspect and...the DII factor is not a myth per se.  I would also have to agree with the others that I think to some degree, the overall talent level in Michigan is down for some reason.

Thanks for your opinions on this - very valid and adds much to this discussion.  BTW, I agree with you in Hope not playing DePauw and Wabash.  Those were always great games, even when I played "way back when".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 15, 2009, 09:14:19 AM
I apologise if my post of yesterday seemed to indicate I was referring only to Hope or Albion or Kalamazoo.  Those are simply the schools in the MIAA with whom I am most familiar.  I was trying to make the point that the school(s) in the MIAA can be stronger or weaker in football as is their college focus.  Examples from our (Wabash's) conference.  Colleges of Wooster, Wittenberg, Wabash, Allegheny place greater college resources upon their football than do ... say Kenyon or Hiram, or Oberlin or ... soon to be lost (some would say it has been lost for a while) Earlham.  (Denisen seems to be trying as to their football focus.)

What is true with the three "Ws" and Gheny ... is that these colleges provide a goodly number of coaching resources and coordination with their Admissions departments regarding recruiting football players.  They see the coaches as additional recruiting arms for the college admissions as a whole ... the college's quality requirements do not change ... there is simply an appreciation that a quadrant of the male gene pool which falls within the perameters of acceptance has - as one of its principle foci - enjoyment of quality football participation as a significant part of the college experience.  In this day of greater effort/competition to find, enroll, and hold quality males at the college level, a quality football program and collegial cooperation between Admissions and coaches (again ... not in any way sacrificing academic quality) is seen as avaluable additional tool and an advantage in accomplishing a good student body for these schools.

Schools such as Kenyon, Oberlin, and Earlham (to the extent I am qualified to speak for them) in their leadership policy do not see a quality football program as fitting their view of themselves and what they are about ... in fact an aspect of their leadership is probably negative toward the whole idea.  Example:  the Earlham President making a public statement that winning 50% of their sports games would be a good expectation.  Now ... with a statement such as that... Earlham has just probably turned away a segment of outstanding students who also hold playing football in a quality college enviornment.

So, looking at my own conference ...  college commitment in attitude and resources (without change of academic requirements or financial aid requirements) makes a huge difference and does pay back.  There simply has to be a conversion in approach:  it WILL result in better and more good qualified male students with greater retention (they like it here), a more vibrant general overall school enviornment (it is more fun ... they all like it here), trickle down to more alumni and friends participation and attendance AND resulting financial support, trickle down to more positive general overall recognition for the school (example:  when we played Hope, we always received some Grand Rapids Press attention which somewhere in the article referred to Wabash in a positive academic way.).

I firmly believe the college believing (KNOWING) internally the value to the school of a properly supported and coordinated football program and then externally providing the resources in coaches and Admissions coordination and coordination with the whole college ... will redound to very real benefit to the college and the students and will result in the success of the D III football program. 

The easy and quick road is to cut costs ... and football is a cost (if you ignore the "income" brought to the school in increased - or in today holding the line - students, alumni financial support - again increased or held, general overall recognition (never klnow what benefits that brings until it brings it). The harder road is to increase sales by deciding what sales you want (more qualified students, vibrant campus, increased alumni support, increased general recognition) and then focusing the resources to accomplish this.  Never sacrifice quality.  That is all you have.  Just do not take the easy road ... which is inevitably down hill.  I know I am singing to the choir.  But the choir can become the leaders in this effort.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2009, 07:38:29 PM
A small sampling of D2 roster sizes around Michigan

GVSU -- 124
Ferris State. -- 102
SVSU --134

D2 can give 67 scholarship (I think), some partials.........an awful lot of walkons at those schools would look good in the MIAA.

Tuition at GVSU is roughly 9,000 per year vs mid 30's for a large chunk of the MIAA.

.......Plus they have an indoor football building. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2009, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: wabco on September 15, 2009, 09:14:19 AM
I apologise if my post of yesterday seemed to indicate I was referring only to Hope or Albion or Kalamazoo.  Those are simply the schools in the MIAA with whom I am most familiar.  I was trying to make the point that the school(s) in the MIAA can be stronger or weaker in football as is their college focus.  Examples from our (Wabash's) conference.  Colleges of Wooster, Wittenberg, Wabash, Allegheny place greater college resources upon their football than do ... say Kenyon or Hiram, or Oberlin or ... soon to be lost (some would say it has been lost for a while) Earlham.  (Denisen seems to be trying as to their football focus.)

What is true with the three "Ws" and Gheny ... is that these colleges provide a goodly number of coaching resources and coordination with their Admissions departments regarding recruiting football players.  They see the coaches as additional recruiting arms for the college admissions as a whole ... the college's quality requirements do not change ... there is simply an appreciation that a quadrant of the male gene pool which falls within the perameters of acceptance has - as one of its principle foci - enjoyment of quality football participation as a significant part of the college experience.  In this day of greater effort/competition to find, enroll, and hold quality males at the college level, a quality football program and collegial cooperation between Admissions and coaches (again ... not in any way sacrificing academic quality) is seen as avaluable additional tool and an advantage in accomplishing a good student body for these schools.

Schools such as Kenyon, Oberlin, and Earlham (to the extent I am qualified to speak for them) in their leadership policy do not see a quality football program as fitting their view of themselves and what they are about ... in fact an aspect of their leadership is probably negative toward the whole idea.  Example:  the Earlham President making a public statement that winning 50% of their sports games would be a good expectation.  Now ... with a statement such as that... Earlham has just probably turned away a segment of outstanding students who also hold playing football in a quality college enviornment.

So, looking at my own conference ...  college commitment in attitude and resources (without change of academic requirements or financial aid requirements) makes a huge difference and does pay back.  There simply has to be a conversion in approach:  it WILL result in better and more good qualified male students with greater retention (they like it here), a more vibrant general overall school enviornment (it is more fun ... they all like it here), trickle down to more alumni and friends participation and attendance AND resulting financial support, trickle down to more positive general overall recognition for the school (example:  when we played Hope, we always received some Grand Rapids Press attention which somewhere in the article referred to Wabash in a positive academic way.).

I firmly believe the college believing (KNOWING) internally the value to the school of a properly supported and coordinated football program and then externally providing the resources in coaches and Admissions coordination and coordination with the whole college ... will redound to very real benefit to the college and the students and will result in the success of the D III football program. 

The easy and quick road is to cut costs ... and football is a cost (if you ignore the "income" brought to the school in increased - or in today holding the line - students, alumni financial support - again increased or held, general overall recognition (never klnow what benefits that brings until it brings it). The harder road is to increase sales by deciding what sales you want (more qualified students, vibrant campus, increased alumni support, increased general recognition) and then focusing the resources to accomplish this.  Never sacrifice quality.  That is all you have.  Just do not take the easy road ... which is inevitably down hill.  I know I am singing to the choir.  But the choir can become the leaders in this effort.



Good post ~  its been my observation around the MIAA that there is a renewed focus among member schools to provide good/better facilities in athletics to support a more stable enrollment base.  Evidence is in the Millions spent to upgrade facilities at every instituition over the past decade, some significantly (see Adrian).

As far as strictly football, I've always felt and observed that all MIAA institutions, other than a few sad years at Kzoo, have always given their football programs ample chances to succeed.  With up years and down years.

When the NAIA football programs in this state went D2 in the late 80's early 90's, they immediately began drawing away players from the MIAA, and they'll continue to do so as long as the GLIAC remains one of D2's premier conferences.  Frankly the competition in that league is fierce.

In the 80's, GVSU was the smallest (or near smallest) state school in Michigan, way out in the cornfields of Allendale, with below average facilities nearly across the board and an academic reputation not nearly where it is today.  Today GVSU has nearly 25,000 students, and some of its degrees could seriously be on par or better than some MIAA programs.  This is where the tuition issue hits hardest now.

I know it sounds like I'm harping on the D2 issue, but its real and a difficult thing for MIAA coaching staffs to compete against in this state.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 17, 2009, 08:57:10 AM
All of these arguments are extremely valid.  As a former DIII athlete, it was not too long ago that I faced the tough decision of whether to go DII or DIII, so I thought I might weigh in with some  of my thoughts

Never underestimate the appeal of an athletic scholarship to a high school senior.  What better way to attest to the quality of your high school coach, team, and school than to acquire a scholarship to continue your football career?  It's the ultimate achievement and the closest thing to getting paid to do what we all love, playing football (the ultimate goal being the NFL which many of us will never have the chance to achieve from DI DII and DIII)

DIII also faces the challenge of having to sell student athletes on so much more than football.  They must make students believe in the coach, the team, the education, and the student life!  THAT'S A HARD SELL!  Many DI and DII schools say "here's a scholarship, come play football for us" and that's all they preach on.  Those student athletes are getting money to PLAY FOOTBALL, not to BE A STUDENT.  This is extremely difficult to compete with.  They are fishing with dynamite and we are fishing with a stick and a string.  And I'm not referring to our bait as our facilities, because I feel like there are some DIII schools with absolutely amazing facilities for the size of the college or university.  But I am saying that DIII just doesn't have the bargaining power that DII and DI have. 

I had a chance to play DII football but decided to go DIII.  I wouldn't change that decision for anything.  I loved playing with people who were playing the sport simply because they loved the game.  They weren't doing it for money, they weren't doing it for their dad or their high school coach, they were doing it for themselves. 

I can't wait for another great weekend of games!  Go MIAA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2009, 04:28:02 PM
 Nicely said, BOYA87.  BTW, welcome to the board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 17, 2009, 05:46:59 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 17, 2009, 08:57:10 AM
All of these arguments are extremely valid.  As a former DIII athlete, it was not too long ago that I faced the tough decision of whether to go DII or DIII, so I thought I might weigh in with some  of my thoughts

Never underestimate the appeal of an athletic scholarship to a high school senior.  What better way to attest to the quality of your high school coach, team, and school than to acquire a scholarship to continue your football career?  It’s the ultimate achievement and the closest thing to getting paid to do what we all love, playing football (the ultimate goal being the NFL which many of us will never have the chance to achieve from DI DII and DIII)

DIII also faces the challenge of having to sell student athletes on so much more than football.  They must make students believe in the coach, the team, the education, and the student life!  THAT’S A HARD SELL!  Many DI and DII schools say “here’s a scholarship, come play football for us” and that’s all they preach on.  Those student athletes are getting money to PLAY FOOTBALL, not to BE A STUDENT.  This is extremely difficult to compete with.  They are fishing with dynamite and we are fishing with a stick and a string.  And I’m not referring to our bait as our facilities, because I feel like there are some DIII schools with absolutely amazing facilities for the size of the college or university.  But I am saying that DIII just doesn’t have the bargaining power that DII and DI have. 

I had a chance to play DII football but decided to go DIII.  I wouldn’t change that decision for anything.  I loved playing with people who were playing the sport simply because they loved the game.  They weren’t doing it for money, they weren’t doing it for their dad or their high school coach, they were doing it for themselves. 

I can’t wait for another great weekend of games!  Go MIAA

Quote from: formerd3db on September 17, 2009, 04:28:02 PM
Nicely said, BOYA87.  BTW, welcome to the board.

BOYA87,

Many years ago I had a full ride to play for a D-1  School in Ohio
that is playing in Cleveland, OH this weekend. In the end I kinda
got screwed since my college test scores were lost and I had to retake
the tests later. By that time scholarship money was half of what it should have been. I told them to stick their offer and went to Mount Union.

Although Mount was a D3 school and not a great power back then, I
never regreated my decision. You chose wisely!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 17, 2009, 06:44:33 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 17, 2009, 05:46:59 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 17, 2009, 08:57:10 AM
All of these arguments are extremely valid.  As a former DIII athlete, it was not too long ago that I faced the tough decision of whether to go DII or DIII, so I thought I might weigh in with some  of my thoughts

Never underestimate the appeal of an athletic scholarship to a high school senior.  What better way to attest to the quality of your high school coach, team, and school than to acquire a scholarship to continue your football career?  It’s the ultimate achievement and the closest thing to getting paid to do what we all love, playing football (the ultimate goal being the NFL which many of us will never have the chance to achieve from DI DII and DIII)

DIII also faces the challenge of having to sell student athletes on so much more than football.  They must make students believe in the coach, the team, the education, and the student life!  THAT’S A HARD SELL!  Many DI and DII schools say “here’s a scholarship, come play football for us” and that’s all they preach on.  Those student athletes are getting money to PLAY FOOTBALL, not to BE A STUDENT.  This is extremely difficult to compete with.  They are fishing with dynamite and we are fishing with a stick and a string.  And I’m not referring to our bait as our facilities, because I feel like there are some DIII schools with absolutely amazing facilities for the size of the college or university.  But I am saying that DIII just doesn’t have the bargaining power that DII and DI have. 

I had a chance to play DII football but decided to go DIII.  I wouldn’t change that decision for anything.  I loved playing with people who were playing the sport simply because they loved the game.  They weren’t doing it for money, they weren’t doing it for their dad or their high school coach, they were doing it for themselves. 

I can’t wait for another great weekend of games!  Go MIAA

Quote from: formerd3db on September 17, 2009, 04:28:02 PM
Nicely said, BOYA87.  BTW, welcome to the board.

BOYA87,

Many years ago I had a full ride to play for a D-1  School in Ohio
that is playing in Cleveland, OH this weekend. In the end I kinda
got screwed since my college test scores were lost and I had to retake
the tests later. By that time scholarship money was half of what it should have been. I told them to stick their offer and went to Mount Union.

Although Mount was a D3 school and not a great power back then, I
never regreated my decision. You chose wisely!!


Spell check  not working on Regretted, Sorry!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 17, 2009, 09:11:41 PM
Tigers lose 9-2 today.  The pathetic Royals have won 6 of the last 7 games against Detroit.  (If they didn't feast on Tiger meat, they'd be the Nats!) >:(

Jackson's slider is lately totally ineffective - a rest before the playoffs would have been nice.

Barring a Tiger sweep of the Twins this weekend, looks like the race will go to the wire after all.  If not for the Royals, the race would already be effectively over. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on September 18, 2009, 06:15:42 AM
My son plays tomorrow.....   lets talk MIAA  ;D

Predictions?  Scouting reports?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 18, 2009, 07:50:32 AM
4852 my thoughts to your question

Looking at the non conference games for the MIAA:

After 2 weeks the MIAA looks to be improving, on a national basis.
I do not see any "powerhouse' MIAA team but I do see the level improving.
I believe accross the board the MIAA has improved, though the "high end" of the league has regressed.

It is early and the next couple weeks will tell us more.

Couple random thoughts/observations:

Kalamazoo is making quick strides to regaining a solid football team.
Kazoo can put up points, new staff will have the team ready to play and moving into the upper echelon of the MIAA within 2 years.

Trine continues its progress over the last few years, excited growing campus flush with money. The coaching staff is strong and the recruits are becoming more diverse. Trine will be tough this year, but not as strong as last, lost too much defensive talent, will reload and improve as the year progresses and as defensive  gets more playing time.

Olivet, was the improved play of recent years a "blip" last year was rough, were is the program going? I can not get a "read" on Olivet. Team always seems to have some speed and some great athletes but not much depth or consistent level of play.

Albion made big changes to the coaching style, new defense and a focus on "speed" will this pay off? The learning curve continues as from what I have seen so far the team is starting to understand, but the "mis-reads" result quickly in points against. The last few years the offense has been flat, this from a team that traditionally has put up points. The injury bug has been brutal this year and pre-season. I believe when healthy the Brits will contend the key is will they get healthy soon enough to make a run?

Adrian continues the strong defense, and improved non-conference games I believe prepares the team for "big games" latter in the league play. Program continues to be strong need the signature win to move them over the top, not let games get away.

Hope continues the tougher than anyone non conference games.
What does not kill you makes you tougher plan right.
Hope's program continues to be solid and well coached, if the pass defense improves the team will be near the top of the league again.
Hope is always in the mix, strong program strong Alum support and family retention leads to a stream of players every year.

Alma the Scot gun produces points, always has always will.  Defensive execution is key. I believe the location for Alma is what makes it tough to retain/gain interest for many people. Recruits do not travel to see the campus, if they did I believe it would change some opinions and help improve recruit level. The team is mainly local players which is great for moral and support but leads to the many flucuations in talent level. Tough to achieve consistant high level player every year.


4852  that is my not so educated overview of what I saw or have read so far regarding the MIAA...

Welcome to the league and I hope you enjoy your sons games, great schools and education.

As commented earlier making the choice to go DIII instead of DII by Raider and Boya
My son played DIII MIAA Football for the educational advantages after turning down preferred walkon status in the Big Ten and DII scholarships and he still believes it was the right choice these many years later.

Enjoy the games guys nice weekend weather ahead.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 18, 2009, 09:50:29 AM
Trine has a home game this week and they always bring a little extra at home.  It was a struggle 2 weeks ago against Machester but coming off a bye week I expect to see vast improvements in many areas.

Some things I expect to see on Saturday:

QB:  Watt gaining comfort with his young recieving core and throwing the ball more confidently.  And of course continuing his MO of extending plays with his legs

WR:  Some young recievers in place for Trine but they already have 1 game under their belt so theres no such thing as a freshman anymore.  Paul Curtis will bring some much needed consistency and experience this week as he returns from injuries and should add a lot to the passing game.

Defense:  It was hard to tell if Manchesters line was that good or their QB that fast, but Trines D-line and linebackers struggled getting pressure.  This week will prove if they have worked out the kinks.  I expect to see speed after the ball at all times this week.  Less thinking on the defensive side and more running to the ball.

its between the 1st and 2nd week when you really see how much a team improves.  This week will prove a great test against Defiance as it seems they gave Adrian a decent game last week.  Trine will be choppin at the bit to play football after having 2 weeks off and I expect them to come out firing this week.

Go Thunder and Go MIAA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on September 18, 2009, 10:45:59 AM
Thanks D306 for the great insites!!  I have two boys - both All State Class A senior HS year - both county leaders in interceptions.  One went D2 for a year.  Red shirted - told 3 years before he'd see varsity play time - said kids who play don't talk to the ones that don't - said even after a full season he didn't think a coach knew his name.  Took the love of football out of him - also got injured and wasn't offered a scholarship back - had the talent, but only 5'8".  Still attends there - 4th year with a 3.2 gpa.  We figured life out quick with that.  He had alot to do with my second son going D3.  For the love of the game.  My second son started D3 as a freshman last year - tied university intercept record.  Tuition is twice that of the D2 college, but what he received in "scholarships" from D3 equaled that of the partial football scholarship we received for D2.  Those boys and coaches are out there for great reasons and receiving excellent educations.  I love Saturdays in the fall!

We we first went D2 we thought 130 man roster was crazy....  That was with the 67 partial scholarships.  Adrian's roster is at 194 this year?  Wow. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2009, 01:42:18 PM
Welcome to the board you two "new" guys (4852 and again BOYA87).  Some additional comments on the topic:

For sure, the larger roster numbers are amazing.  Mount Union often tops 200.  From a purely football standpoint (aside from the academic factors) I've always wondered why someone would want to go there with that many, be anywhere from 8th-11th string and wait 3 years before getting a chance to play (although some frosh and soph there have broken into the lineup quite often) when they could attend other colleges and have a better chance at playing time earlier.

When Adrian had 174 in recent years, that was almost overwhelming.  With the exception of Alma and sometimes Olivet, the MIAA schools have been well over a 100 routinely in recent years (Hope and Albion ranging from the 140's to the 160's at times).  When I played "way back when" at Hope, we had about 110, but that usually waned down to around 90 after a couple of weeks.  Some conferences limit their rosters to 100 in efforts to contain costs.  Of course, traveling squad numbers are limited as are NCAA playoff rosters, so with high rosters numbers that is a tough situation for some players to face.  On the other hand, the establishment of the J.V. programs for these schools has helped tremendously in that regard in allowing some development for the underclassmen.  During my college coaching stint, I always (and still do) encouraged the younger players to use that as the opportunity to showcase their talent and be ready because that many times can earn someone a spot on the traveling squad when unfortunate injuries occur to others.  So it is important.

While everyone obviously prefers to be on the Varsity roster full time, sometimes one just has to wait their turn as it can be a #'s game and often one has to be in the "right spot at the right time".  Regardless, it is a great experience and for those who stick it out, can provide memories for a lifetime.

As far as Hope, we'll have another tough contest tomorrow against non-conf Wis-Eau Claire.  Pass defense needs to be sharper than last week and our offense capitalize on their opportunities when driving the ball...or we're in trouble again.  Anyway, good luck to your sons and teams tomorrow everyone and drive safely. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 18, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
Thanks d3db!

I agree with the #'s on the roster.  It is almost rediculous!  In my experience we had incoming freshman classes pushing 80 players.  It was difficult to get through camp even with that many young guys because the older players were ready to go and build on last years knowledge where as the freshman were starting from square one.  I have a ton of respect for coaching staffs who take on that challenge year in and year out. 

also concerning the mass amounts of freshman, I feel like there are many talented freshman that come into DIII programs expecting to be the go to guy, or the #1 man just like they were in high school.  I think its a pretty big shock to these guys when they report to camp and realize they are number 2, 3 or even deeper on the depth chart.

The great thing about all these numbers is that it says a lot about all of the schools and programs.  its pretty amazing that these MIAA schools with somewhere between 1000 and 3000 students can have almost 200 of them be football players!  It means kids want to attend these schools and they want to be a part of these programs.

But I hope the MIAA doesnt only keep growing in numbers, I hope they continue to grow in quality.  When I played there wasnt a single game that I overlooked even when schools were having down years like Kzoo and Albion of recent.  But I think these guys and the rest of the MIAA are growing and becoming more and more competitive which should keep making the championship chase more and more interesting.  I look forward to watching the MIAA battle every week because I really feel like each weeks games are going to be hard fought wins for everyone
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 18, 2009, 04:17:36 PM
Great topics today. And welcome BOYA87 and 4852lkrick!

I hope to get to Olivet on Saturday and see if CUC can improve on last year's performance.  I think last year's Olivet thumping showed how whole conferences are just totally different, especially the physical nature of play. 

This whole "huge numbers on the roster" thing is mind-boggling to me as well. On the one hand I am just plain surprised that freshman wouldn't get shellshocked (and maybe even shy away from going out) by the shear numbers alone when they get to camp in the late summer. But then again they're freshman who probably were pretty good in high school and figure that there will probably be playing time for them in their first year. (They just don't know any better!)

One thing I would love to know is the turnover rates of players at different schools. Of those 60+ freshman that most MIAA schools are bringing in, how many do not go out for football their sophomore year? And how many aren't even in the school after their freshman year? Are there some general rule of thumb percentages? Outside of checking individual rosters from year to year, could someone fill me in on this?

On the other side of this coin, I think the #1 thing that keeps "marginal" players in a program after their freshman year, beyond "the love of the game", beyond "the hope of playing by their junior or senior year", beyond the friends made, is simply the coach. My daughter has a friend who wasn't even a starter in high school but went out for football as a freshman because he and his family were impressed by the coach. And then when he didn't play much his freshman year, he still went out his sophomore year. Why? The coach is just a great person and leader.

Good health to all this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 18, 2009, 09:23:49 PM
Last week we had 9 entrants on MIAA pickems.  Only 7 picks so far this week (and new entrants are welcome).  Be sure to get picks made by 11 am tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2009, 09:15:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 18, 2009, 09:23:49 PM
Last week we had 9 entrants on MIAA pickems.  Only 7 picks so far this week (and new entrants are welcome).  Be sure to get picks made by 11 am tomorrow.

Okay Mr. Ypsi, here are my picks for today:



Adrian @ Bluffton -  Adrian

Kalamazoo @ Manchester - Kazoo

Concordia (IL) @ Olivet (MI) - Olivet

Defiance @ Trine - Trine

Alma @ Rockford - Alma

UW-Eau Claire @ Hope - Hope

Millikin @ Albion - Albion  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 19, 2009, 04:01:29 PM
Listened to the last few minutes of Hope/UWEC........quite exciting.  UWEC scored a TD and 2pt conversion to go up 45-38, after Hope had taken a 1 point lead just minutes earlier.  Hope then tied the game with :17 left.

First OT, Hope went nowhere, and failed on 4th down.  UWEC worked the ball in position for a FG, but missed wide right.


2nd OT
UWEC completed a 4th down pass from about 40 yards for a TD in the 2nd OT, Hope couldn't respond with a score and came up short on 4th and 1.


Yet another heartbreaking loss, in this long non-conference losing streak.


UWEC 52 Hope 45  2OT

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 19, 2009, 06:13:08 PM
MIAA scoreboard today:

Kalamazoo 48, Manchester 37 (did I misread, or was K'zoo down a bunch at the half?)
Alma 51, Rockford 3 (don't get TOO excited - Rockford just might be the worst team in d3)
Trine 40, Defiance 9 (a smashing win over a not-bad team)
Adrian 41, Bluffton 7 (a smashing win, but over ??)
Millikin 30, Albion 13 (I like scheduling CCIW teams, but it doesn't seem to be working very well)
CUC 12, Olivet 7 (unless CUC is MUCH improved over past seasons, this does not bode well for Olivet)
UW-Eau Claire 52, Hope 45 [2 OTs] (what a heart-breaker!  with Wheaton next, yet another 0-4 start seems inevitable, but with close losses to excellent teams, Hope should not be discounted as a title threat - I say 3rd behind Trine and Adrian)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2009, 01:04:50 AM
Indeed, Kazoo was down at halftime.  Looks like Coach Z has them sporting a new attitutde.  Alma, Trine, Adrian as expected.  However, I, too, am surprised at Olivet and the Albion scores.  I agree wth Mr. Ypsi that doesn't look good for Olivet, which is somewhat surprising, since Concordia is not that good.
 
As far as the Hope game, sac gave a nice synopsis.  Hope actually was playing "catch up" all game.  That they stayed in the game was surprising as UWEC was a huge and fast team, but just didn't put the game away.  Hope kept coming back.  Hope did play tremendously well and never gave up, which is a great credit to the players.  However, they again came up short and just can't seem to "finish".  On UWEC's winning TD, Hope's DB was right there and no defensive back could have played that better as he and the receiver both caught the ball.  However, the WR wrestled it away (actually the "tie" goes to the receiver) and hence the TD.  Hope's 4th and 1 on the ensuing chance was stopped inches short - the handoff bobbled by the RB which cost them that play.

Scoring to tie the game at the end was a great accomplishment for them and a big confidence booster, however, it would have been a huge win and nice to win one of those type of games for once.  Yet, it was not to be.   Another beautiful day for football and a nice size crowd again, but seems like a waste.  As Mr. Ypsi said, it doesn't look good for us as Wheaton is next, so it could be another 0-4 start - I hope not, though. ???  

Overall, it will be another tight MIAA race I believe, based on what we've seen so far in the non-conference games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 20, 2009, 11:04:11 AM
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I was able to watch the CUC-Olivet game yesterday - just a beautiful afternoon for college football. A few observations about Olivet (and one or two about CUC):

1) An incredible statistic: Olivet punted ONCE and only scored 7 points (and that with 7 seconds left in the game.) That's what 6 turnovers (including four inside CUC's 30) and three 4th down stops will do. Overall they were able to move the ball with regularity, but turnovers just killed them.

2) CUC's offense is pass first and . . . pass second. Other than maybe Alma's Scotgun, they're not going to see much of that type of offense all year. If a team is clicking with that type of pass offense, it isn't easy to prepare for it.

3) After last year's 59-0 shellacking Olivet put on CUC, I would bet that, even though the coaches preached against it, the players thought  . . . well, you guess the rest. And I think that the saying, "If you let an underdog stick around long enough, it's easier for him to bite you", might have rung true here. CUC  gained a lot of confidence when they looked at the scoreboard at halftime and they hadn't given up any points even though Olivet hadn't punted once and had five drives die deep in CUC territory.

4) I think Olivet will be able to put points on the board against teams if they cut down the mistakes and turnovers. However they are breaking in a new quarterback and the transition is not always easy. (and I'm not sure of the health of their starter as he went out of the game during the last last series with a hand injury.)

Good luck to Olivet the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 20, 2009, 12:37:11 PM
I attended the Albion game this weekend and there were some positives for their team.  They have a QB, spencer Krause I think the name is, first start of his college career whjo looked good.  Threw the ball 36 times and had the mobility to escape pressure and to create some yards on his own.  With some time he can be a  good QB it appears.  Albion appeared to abandon the running game a bit early once Millikin got on the board.  Defensivley Albion looked solid at times, but there were numerous coverage break downs in the deep secondary that left Millikin players wide open.  Millikin didnt take full advantage though as their QB often got to excited and threw off his back foot instead of setting up.

Interesting tidbit of info, in the last 4 years that Adrian has played Bluffton they have not given up an offensive touchdown or a FG yet have one shutout in that time period.  Two years had pick sixes and this year a kick off return for a TD.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2009, 12:51:51 PM
A tip of the hat to Kalamazoo.  I just saw a game recap, and, indeed, they were down 37-14 in the third quarter, before reeling off 34 unanswered points!  Comeback of the year so far!

I don't know if lightning can strike twice in one year, but opponents might be concerned whether any lead is 'safe'.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 20, 2009, 01:48:33 PM
dawg4life

Glad you were at the Albion game and saw the same I have the last 2 weeks.
Great weather, maybe even a little warm for football.

I like the QB, makes some solid plays, strong arm, good pocket awareness of pressure. Played well for first college game action.
Defense is adjusting to the the new format. Just as the Thiel game, tough defensive stands but get beat deep way to often.

Brits need 2 things to improve to be a force in the MIAA.

1) Get the offense going, I think commiting to Krauss will help get more reps and timing will improve. Get starting RB back he has not seen the field yet this year.
To many dropped passes yesterday for Albion, catch the ball.

2) Get healthy, 6-7 starters or main rotation players did not even dress yesterday. The dline played well, with 2 starters out and seriously limited rotation of lineman.
Get starting DB back should help with the speed and coverage.

I know every team struggles with injuries, Albion needs to overcome and adjust, no excuses. there is talent on the team need to make plays.

Albion has a BYE week next weekend, sorely needed to get healthy and work on assignments in the defensive backfield.
Homecoming and Olivet coming to town in 2 weeks, should be a good game.

Of note the Dogs look strong again this year, defense will carry the day while Offense adjusts to losing last years MIAA offensive leader.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 20, 2009, 01:50:58 PM
Ypsi


You are right
Amazing comeback for Kazoo, that was a huge number of points to overcome in less than a half.

By the well tell our Tigers they need the win today, making this scary with the Twins
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2009, 02:14:33 PM
Yes, I'd have to agree re: the Kazoo comeback.  IMO, it doesn't matter what the level of talent/competition for any one team in any one game in that type of situation as that is simply a lot of points to score for anyone.  It will be interesting to see how Kazoo responds further as it heads into the MIAA tough competition.  

Also, thanks everyone for your game summaries and observations from yesterday's games.  For sure, it was a gorgeous afternoon for football.  I hope we have a couple of more Saturdays with that type of weather.  You know we'll all be wishing it was like this in mid-late October when the cold(er) and rainy weather starts occuring.  Perhaps we'll get lucky this year and it won't be as bad i.e. maybe we'll have one of the "good old fashioned" late "Indian (Autumn) Summers".  On the other hand, that might be a little too much to ask for!  Anyway, great to see the great conversation activitiy on our board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 20, 2009, 06:51:24 PM
It was another beautiful Saturday.  I'd be willing to say almost too beautiful as I am now the proud new owner of a nasty sunburn on my face and neck.  You just dont get the same sun protections at a football game without a helmet on your head!

But WOW for this weeks games!!  5/7 games this week with MIAA teams scoring over 40 points!  It looks like MIAA fans are in for a high scoring entertaining year.

Kzoo...AMAZING!!  now that is a football game I would have liked to be at.  That is if I would have stuck it out the whole game and not gotten frustrated and left at half time.  That should be a great boost to the Hornets confidence and any teams confidence for that matter who finds themself in a "down and out" situation.

Not a lot to say about the Trine game.  The score pretty much says it all.  I believe they punted once the whole game and had no turnovers.  The offense found its rythm this game as Watt was connecting with recievers all over the place. 

Next week Trine plays Franklin AT Franklin.  Always a difficult game for us as Franklin has a team that is always in the national spotlight.  Should be a good game and a great test for Trines defense. 

Only 2 more weeks till we get some hot MIAA on MIAA matchups.  Usually you have to pay double for that kind of action.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2009, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 20, 2009, 06:51:24 PM
... as Franklin has a team that is always in the national spotlight. 

If by always you mean "the past two years," sure. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 21, 2009, 10:03:21 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on September 20, 2009, 11:04:11 AM
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I was able to watch the CUC-Olivet game yesterday - just a beautiful afternoon for college football. A few observations about Olivet (and one or two about CUC):

1) An incredible statistic: Olivet punted ONCE and only scored 7 points (and that with 7 seconds left in the game.) That's what 6 turnovers (including four inside CUC's 30) and three 4th down stops will do. Overall they were able to move the ball with regularity, but turnovers just killed them.

2) CUC's offense is pass first and . . . pass second. Other than maybe Alma's Scotgun, they're not going to see much of that type of offense all year. If a team is clicking with that type of pass offense, it isn't easy to prepare for it.

3) After last year's 59-0 shellacking Olivet put on CUC, I would bet that, even though the coaches preached against it, the players thought  . . . well, you guess the rest. And I think that the saying, "If you let an underdog stick around long enough, it's easier for him to bite you", might have rung true here. CUC  gained a lot of confidence when they looked at the scoreboard at halftime and they hadn't given up any points even though Olivet hadn't punted once and had five drives die deep in CUC territory.

4) I think Olivet will be able to put points on the board against teams if they cut down the mistakes and turnovers. However they are breaking in a new quarterback and the transition is not always easy. (and I'm not sure of the health of their starter as he went out of the game during the last last series with a hand injury.)

Good luck to Olivet the rest of the way.

CUC's win is the first one the NAthCon's had over an MIAA team in 6 tries over 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Random Thoughts (something must change):

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

18 game losing streak in non-MIAA games dating back to 2004 season.

Dean Kreps, career non-MIAA record, 10-38, .208 winning percentage, 3-23 (.115) since 2002 season.

Unacceptable?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 22, 2009, 01:09:00 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Random Thoughts (something must change):

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

18 game losing streak in non-MIAA games dating back to 2004 season.

Dean Kreps, career non-MIAA record, 10-38, .208 winning percentage, 3-23 (.115) since 2002 season.

Unacceptable?

The only way you say this is unacceptable is if you look at only those games in some kind of vacuum - where you don't look at who those teams were (I'm doing some research on them statistically), and you don't look at how these games have prepared the team for MIAA competition.

<edit: to add some statistics>

Based on info from the Hope website, the Dutchmen's non-MIAA record from 2002 - 2008 is 3-22 (.120)  The cumulative records for the team they have played in that stretch is 200-73 (.733).  There have been a total of 2 teams under .500 during that time, and Hope won 1 of those games (vs UW Platteville in 2002), and lost the other (vs UW River Falls in 2007).  There have also been 11 games against teams that finished their year at .800 or higher.  That's some pretty tough competition.

Hope's conference record during that same time frame (2002-2008) is 36-11 (.766), including 3 conference championships.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 22, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2009, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 20, 2009, 06:51:24 PM
... as Franklin has a team that is always in the national spotlight. 

If by always you mean "the past two years," sure. :)

haha really?  I guess I have only been following D3 football for the past 5 years so that seems like always to me. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 22, 2009, 07:54:07 PM
Section7:

Perhaps it would be unacceptable if Kreps didnt have such a stellar record in MIAA play.  In his 14 years at Hope Dean Kreps has only finished outside of 1st or 2nd in the MIAA twice.  I think there are several schools in the MIAA that wouldnt mind having that type of unacceptable coaching in a 14 year period.  In that period Kreps is 68-22 in MIAA play. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 23, 2009, 07:48:23 AM
How will Trine do against Franklin this Saturday?  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 23, 2009, 10:43:01 AM
I guess my question regarding the football program and the head coach is, why do the other sports at Hope maintain a great MIAA record and in most cases stellar non-conference record (ie. Basketball (M&W), soccer, golf, baseball, softball, etc.) but our football program continues to lag and not be competitive with the "tougher" schools.  I understand the football program has performed well in the MIAA and I am glad for this.  But we all know, the MIAA is a weak at best Div III conference, which makes my question even more poignant.

Also, look at all the close games that Hope continues to lose (non-conf or MIAA).  That has to have something to do with coaching, my observation, clock management.

BTW, thanks for the negative karma, for raising a realistic observation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 23, 2009, 11:43:30 AM
section7 - Now that's a really good question.  I suspect the answers will be roughly the same discussion that's been going on about the MIAA's recruiting difficulties - at least in my mind that's what it is.   Comparing to the other sports is tough - the talent pool of who is available to recruit is so different from one sport to the next - plus the legacy of certain sports and facilities all contribute. 

I agree that losing 3 close games begs the question of why the team can't seem to "finish".  No doubt the streak of non-conf losses puts added pressure on the team. 

I for one, would love to hear others input on this..

Regarding your karma - IMHO had you asked your original question like you did in the previous post, I suspect you wouldn't have lost any karma (certainly not from me, but then I wasn't the only one who smited you).  Comparing Hope to the Detroit Lions was a really low blow.  If karma is important to you, then you shouldn't make those kinds of comments.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 23, 2009, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsportsillustrated.cnn.com%2F2008%2Fwriters%2Fdarren_eliot%2F09%2F22%2Filya.kovalchuk%2Flions-mascot.jpg&hash=ef215287e56222a82f635410baa67b6d55e3b883)


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Fmiscathletics%2F97DutchMascot.jpg&hash=df4d4d6b32dca3de33ac3b585418b9b9b79aa6fd)

Dutch is much more stylish, Roary looks like he rolled out of bed late for his 8am psych class.

.......and there is no comparison between one of the worst all time stretches in NFL history, and a bad stretch of non-conference games vs exceptionally good quality opponents for your level.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 23, 2009, 01:15:43 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 23, 2009, 11:43:30 AM
section7 - Now that's a really good question.  I suspect the answers will be roughly the same discussion that's been going on about the MIAA's recruiting difficulties - at least in my mind that's what it is.   Comparing to the other sports is tough - the talent pool of who is available to recruit is so different from one sport to the next - plus the legacy of certain sports and facilities all contribute. 

I agree that losing 3 close games begs the question of why the team can't seem to "finish".  No doubt the streak of non-conf losses puts added pressure on the team. 

I for one, would love to hear others input on this..

Regarding your karma - IMHO had you asked your original question like you did in the previous post, I suspect you wouldn't have lost any karma (certainly not from me, but then I wasn't the only one who smited you).  Comparing Hope to the Detroit Lions was a really low blow.  If karma is important to you, then you shouldn't make those kinds of comments.

Lol FDF, do not really care about the karma, was just making the observation.

The comparison was the Lion's losing streak = Hope's losing streak which are both (dreadfully) impressive.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 23, 2009, 01:25:15 PM
Section7:

I think the difference that needs to be pointed out here is that the Lions have a terrible losing streak ongoing, with no wins in the mix.  Hope on the other hand does not.  The caliber of teams that Hope plays in the non MIAA schedule far outpaces what the rest of the league has been doing for years.  One would assume there would be a point where this caught up or where Hope came out on top, as of yet it doesnt look like it.  I think the big thing for Hope from these games is playing at a higher level of competition and being prepared for whatever comes at them in the MIAA.  Realistically those games dont matter only the 6 (used to be 7) that occur in the MIAA do.  If you win those games everything else is water under the bridge, you get the title and a berth to the playoffs with experience against better competition to boot.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 23, 2009, 01:27:48 PM
An addendum to my previous post.  Hope has a very strong tradition in basketball, not that football doesnt.  But Hope college basketball is nationally known in the DIII circuit which aids greatly.  It also doesnt hurt that they have the best facilities for a DIII basketball team that I am aware of.  That grants them a huge edge that the football team doesnt have, as they still play at a municipal stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 23, 2009, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 23, 2009, 01:15:43 PM
The comparison was the Lion's losing streak = Hope's losing streak which are both (dreadfully) impressive.

Sorry - but that's not even in the same continent as a valid comparison


ADAWG - very well said in both posts
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 23, 2009, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 23, 2009, 07:48:23 AM
How will Trine do against Franklin this Saturday?  :-\


Trine @ Franklin this week, a game that should be in the spotlight of Midwest match-ups if not in the national spotlight.  Trine just poked through into the Top 25 coming in at 22 this week, just 2 paces off from where the Thunder finished last years season.  The Grizzlies come into the week caught on the outside looking in barely missing the top 25 and getting an honorable mention at 26th in the vote getting.

As far as game analysis, it's hard for me to say.  Trine has look great (see Defiance game) and Trine has looked out of sync and struggling (see Manchester Game).  However I do feel like they have found their rhythm and will be bringing that style of play into Franklin. 

Franklin seems like they have a lot of new faces on their Defense unless some players changed their numbers from last year that I no longer recognize.  They are a great program though and I fully expect them to fill spots with quality players. 

However, there is always the mental side of football that can play a huge role in any game and that is what Trine must overcome at Franklin.  It is a long grass field with holes here and there.  The weather is always hot and the fans are always mean.  But in the end the field is 100 yards long and they are only playing with 11 men on the field...just like us.  I would love to see the Thunder go in there and show that they deserve to be ranked in the nation and show that last year was more than just a one hit wonder.

The game will come down to turnovers (revolutionary idea, I know).  The Thunder defense has not been getting many takeaways, but their offense has also done a great job holding onto the ball and not giving it up.  If they can maintain this formula they should come out on top this weekend.  Although I would like to see the defense get a couple picks or fumbles just to be safe. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 23, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 23, 2009, 07:48:23 AM
How will Trine do against Franklin this Saturday?  :-\


BOYA87 gave a good summary - I'd concur with pretty much everything.

This game does seem to be giving fits to the oddsmakers.  It is a 'national game of interest' on both OAC and NCAC pickems, and I can't recall HSCoach and wally_wabash ever disagreeing so much on a spread.  OAC favors Trine by 8.5; NCAC favors Franklin by 6.5!  If I did spreads on the MIAA pickems (which I don't - straight up is tough enough!), I'd put Trine up by 2.5, allowing for home-field advantage for Franklin (or, possibly, 4.5 to allow for MIAA home-'field' picking ;)).  (In light of that, I'll pick Franklin on OAC, but Trine on both NCAC and MIAA.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 23, 2009, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 23, 2009, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 23, 2009, 07:48:23 AM
How will Trine do against Franklin this Saturday?  :-\


Trine @ Franklin this week, a game that should be in the spotlight of Midwest match-ups if not in the national spotlight.  Trine just poked through into the Top 25 coming in at 22 this week, just 2 paces off from where the Thunder finished last years season.  The Grizzlies come into the week caught on the outside looking in barely missing the top 25 and getting an honorable mention at 26th in the vote getting.

As far as game analysis, it’s hard for me to say.  Trine has look great (see Defiance game) and Trine has looked out of sync and struggling (see Manchester Game).  However I do feel like they have found their rhythm and will be bringing that style of play into Franklin. 

Franklin seems like they have a lot of new faces on their Defense unless some players changed their numbers from last year that I no longer recognize.  They are a great program though and I fully expect them to fill spots with quality players. 

However, there is always the mental side of football that can play a huge role in any game and that is what Trine must overcome at Franklin.  It is a long grass field with holes here and there.  The weather is always hot and the fans are always mean.  But in the end the field is 100 yards long and they are only playing with 11 men on the field…just like us.  I would love to see the Thunder go in there and show that they deserve to be ranked in the nation and show that last year was more than just a one hit wonder.

The game will come down to turnovers (revolutionary idea, I know).  The Thunder defense has not been getting many takeaways, but their offense has also done a great job holding onto the ball and not giving it up.  If they can maintain this formula they should come out on top this weekend.  Although I would like to see the defense get a couple picks or fumbles just to be safe. 

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 23, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 23, 2009, 07:48:23 AM
How will Trine do against Franklin this Saturday?  :-\


BOYA87 gave a good summary - I'd concur with pretty much everything.

This game does seem to be giving fits to the oddsmakers.  It is a 'national game of interest' on both OAC and NCAC pickems, and I can't recall HSCoach and wally_wabash ever disagreeing so much on a spread.  OAC favors Trine by 8.5; NCAC favors Franklin by 6.5!  If I did spreads on the MIAA pickems (which I don't - straight up is tough enough!), I'd put Trine up by 2.5, allowing for home-field advantage for Franklin (or, possibly, 4.5 to allow for MIAA home-'field' picking ;)).  (In light of that, I'll pick Franklin on OAC, but Trine on both NCAC and MIAA.)

You guys pretty well captured it. I agree it will be a toss up and turnovers could and usually do. I also think it will have a strong influence on the remainder of the season for both schools. We'll see!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 23, 2009, 05:46:37 PM
Since it is only mid-week, I hope no one will mind a diversion.  The topic of EMU football has been discussed on here a few times (can they ever be competitive; should they drop down from 1A - which, if they can't improve attendance, may happen whether they choose it or not).

I was just looking over the MAC all-time records, and was mildly surprised to see that EMU is NOT the overall worst team.  Of current members, Buffalo is by far the worst at an all-time winning record of .225, and has never even competed for a title.  Kent St. is at .328, having won one title almost 40 years ago.  EMU, while perennial doormats recently, did win ONE title (1987) and is 3rd worst at .343.

Three former members were also worse.  Butler won exactly 1 game in their 3 seasons (1947-49), to finish at .091.  Western Reserve (now half of d3 Case Western Reserve) went .314 from 1947-54.  Most satisfyingly, Central Florida (who openly boasted that they would condescend to dominate the MAC for a while before joining a 'real' conference and becoming peers with Florida, FSU, and Miami) went .333 from 2002-04, before slinking off to Conference USA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 23, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
Buffalo has only been a member of the MAC since 1999. 

Buffalo dropped football in 1971, reinstated it in 1978 as a Division III program, then went 1-AA in 1985 where they stayed until they went for the bigtime and rejoined Division 1 and  the MAC in 1999.



.....by the way not to burst your chest thumping Ypsi, but since 1999, Buffalo ranks #117 in win %, Eastern Michigan #111   ;) ..........at least Eastern is 3-0 vs Buffalo in that time frame.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 23, 2009, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: sac on September 23, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
Buffalo has only been a member of the MAC since 1999. 

Buffalo dropped football in 1971, reinstated it in 1978 as a Division III program, then went 1-AA in 1985 where they stayed until they went for the bigtime and rejoined Division 1 and  the MAC in 1999.



.....by the way not to burst your chest thumping Ypsi, but since 1999, Buffalo ranks #117 in win %, Eastern Michigan #111   ;) ..........at least Eastern is 3-0 vs Buffalo in that time frame.

Hardly chest thumping! ::)

Aside from Buffalo, I was surprised we were not THE worst! ;D

(And I admit I WAS delighted by the flop of UCF. 8))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 23, 2009, 11:13:06 PM
section 7:

I assume you've been at the recent games.  I will say that at last Saturday's game during the last 3 plays in the final series at the goal at the end of regulation time, the coaching staff almost made a serious gaff in regards to poor time management i.e. not calling time outs quick enough.  However, that did not cost the game nor did coaching in the other losses either.  Rather, the answer to your question is simply poor play by the players - they are just not getting it done.  I hate to say this, however, our overall talent at certain positions is just not good.  Our defensive backs simply don't have the speed or skills to cover one on one with most of the receivers (not just my observation, but in talking with some of our coaches), and unfortunately, this goes back 2-3 years.  Last year, the opening losses were largely a result of poor secondary play, in addition to overall poor tackling by the entire defense and some breakdowns on special teams, and I commented on this last year.  When you are giving up "the bomb" routinely still in the 4th and 5th games of the season as was happening last year, no excuses.  Similar to this year, on 3rd and long, poor coverage has resulted in first downs by the opponents in key drives.  Offensively, the receivers and QB have not quite coordinated at all times as yet, however, much signs of improvement this past game.  That will come in due time as they get more experience, I'm sure.

In addition, poor play position on defense has contributed to this as well.  Our LB's and some defensive linemen continue to get "caught inside" time and time again, thereby not being able to contain the corners.  I listened to our defensive coaches relate this to the players constantly last game and some of the players were not able to make that adjustment.  Also, I think there is a need for recruiting larger linemen overall - in recent years that has been a problem (i.e. we have had and currently have a few big linemen, but I'm talking about getting "everyone" that size!).  I will say, though that in the last couple of games our linemen, particularly offensive line has done a very good job and improved much.

Overall, I'm not saying the players are not trying, because our kids played their hearts out particularly this last game - they never quit.  However, they just can't seem to finish it, yet I believe that will eventually change.  We'll get over that obstacle sometime, and hopefully it will be in the near future i.e. to win those close games.  Sometimes, it just takes an extended time for such to happen and with attitudes changing i.e. "that mindset" - it has happened the same way at Northwestern in the Big Ten and Olivet in our league to use examples in the last decade or so.  Although that old saying "close but no cigar" rings true i.e. close doesn't count, nonetheless, we were very close in winning these first 3 non-conferene games.  Had we had a break here and there (a little luck, which sometimes does occur and all it takes as we all know), we'd be 3-0 and people would be talking how great a turnaround and how good Hope is.  Still if that had happened, I'm not sure I'd say we were ready to start conquering the tougher competition in the playoffs, although it would be a good start in trying.

As I've said on here before, I am a believer in playing tougher non-conference competition routinely because in the longrun, I think it does help in experience in those type of situations (it did when I played there a long time ago).  Yet times have changed a bit as far as national competition obviously...and in our case, this "getting to the next level" is unfortunately just taking a little longer! ;D  Regardless, I give our players all credit for not giving up and continuing to give it "that old college try".  All that being said, it will still be a very tough task this Saturday in trying to upset powerful Wheaton College.

sac:
With all due respect, friend, I'm sorry, but I have to say that I can't stand our current Mascot "Dutch".  Good grief, not only is it very ugly, but IMO, the student council and others who contributed to this and came up with the idea wasted a ton of $ (the over $5,000 almost $6000 spent on this was ludicrous).  Bring back "the real(istic) Flying Dutchman (cape, scarf, goggles and all). ;)  

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 24, 2009, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 23, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 23, 2009, 07:48:23 AM
How will Trine do against Franklin this Saturday?  :-\


BOYA87 gave a good summary - I'd concur with pretty much everything.

This game does seem to be giving fits to the oddsmakers.  It is a 'national game of interest' on both OAC and NCAC pickems, and I can't recall HSCoach and wally_wabash ever disagreeing so much on a spread.  OAC favors Trine by 8.5; NCAC favors Franklin by 6.5!  If I did spreads on the MIAA pickems (which I don't - straight up is tough enough!), I'd put Trine up by 2.5, allowing for home-field advantage for Franklin (or, possibly, 4.5 to allow for MIAA home-'field' picking ;)).  (In light of that, I'll pick Franklin on OAC, but Trine on both NCAC and MIAA.)

A game like this, no matter who wins or loses, will have a definite impact on the teams remaining season.  Last year both Trine AND Franklin responded positively after their match-up in Angola.

Trine suffered many years of...well, one would probably need to describe those seasons with some four letter words which I won't use on this forum.  Then after going 2-0 at the beginning of last year they beat the 14th ranked team in the nation!  That was like their Super Bowl.  That team very well could have been satisfied with what they had accomplished and clocked out for the season, but they didn't.  They continued to hunger for that success and worked harder to achieve the best regular season record in school history.

Franklin on the other hand, suffered a terrible defeat to a team that had been viewed as very mediocre (although the remainder of the year would prove otherwise).  But they went on to have a very successful season and make a very impressive playoff run.

After the game on Saturday we will find out again what these teams are made of.  Win or lose will they respond positively?  I think these teams are too well coached and too disciplined to let a non conference game get their hopes down too much.

And what is this about the point spread?!  One person has Trine up by almost a TD and the other has Franklin up by almost a TD?!  I hate to say it, but this game is going to be within a field goal.  It should be a goodie
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on September 24, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
Trine has always struggled playing at Franklin.  If I remember correctly, the last two times Trine has traveled to Franklin neither game was close.  The offense failed to execute in the red zone and the defense gave up 30 by midway thru the 2nd quarter.  Franklin is a very hostile environment and I think that plays into the minds of the Trine players.  And since Trine "upset" Franklin last year in Angola, the fans probably aren't going to be very nice.  Franklin players are also going to remember it and I just don't see either team winning by more than a field goal, unless one team has an issue with turnovers.  The game should be very close and very interesting
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 24, 2009, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on September 24, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
Trine has always struggled playing at Franklin.  If I remember correctly, the last two times Trine has traveled to Franklin neither game was close.  The offense failed to execute in the red zone and the defense gave up 30 by midway thru the 2nd quarter.  Franklin is a very hostile environment and I think that plays into the minds of the Trine players.  And since Trine "upset" Franklin last year in Angola, the fans probably aren't going to be very nice.  Franklin players are also going to remember it and I just don't see either team winning by more than a field goal, unless one team has an issue with turnovers.  The game should be very close and very interesting

If the players are truly concerned about "fans who aren't nice", the team will have BIG issues.  Players shouldn't be thinking about the fans at all.  Every year teams go into hostile environments.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on September 24, 2009, 11:19:26 AM
I think every athlete who knows they are going into a hostile environment thinks about it no matter the level of competition they are playing in.  Thats what home field advantage is all about. If you can't take the crowd out of the game in a tough place to play it does make the game more difficult.  And the last two times Trine traveled to Franklin the team was very young.  And as all people know a young team and a tough crowd makes for a difficult game.  I couldn't agree with you more mugsy, but I didn't mean just fans who aren't nice
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 24, 2009, 01:34:21 PM
Thanks for everyone's thought on the Hope situation.

Here are a couple of responses and further thoughts:

1.  I agree Hope has had nice MIAA results in past years and I hope that they win out and win the MIAA and represent us in the NCAA tourney.  However, I don't live in a "vacuum" of the MIAA only agrument.

2.  ADAWG - the nationally known and facilities argument just doesn't hold water.  The basketball team played in the CIVIC CENTER for years, a terrible facility, but seemed to do just fine with recruiting and results both in and out of conference.  I have not been to all the new or redone MIAA stadiums (Adrian for one example), but I know you can't compare the Football stadium to the CIVIC CENTER.  Although the football stadium may not have all the bells and whistles of some of the newer stadiums it still is a pretty nice field and stadium (locker rooms another story).

3.  Losing streak - in my humble opinion, 18 straight non-conference losses is unacceptable.  I don't care where you played, who you played or who played for your team.  The one constant at Hope has been the coaching staff.  At least with the Lions (who I cancelled my season tixs for 2 years ago), have changed mgmt and coaches, albeit, not very effectively.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 24, 2009, 01:50:45 PM
"So, you know, honestly, the thing when I read some of them is I feel terrible for them because there's no way they're happy. They've got to be some of the most unhappy people in the world, and I feel bad because we just made them less happy, and I hate to be a part of making someone less happy. I mean, they're already miserable and to make them less happy, I'd feel bad."  ~  Jim Tressel
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2009, 02:21:29 PM
Quote from: sac on September 24, 2009, 01:50:45 PM
"So, you know, honestly, the thing when I read some of them is I feel terrible for them because there's no way they're happy. They've got to be some of the most unhappy people in the world, and I feel bad because we just made them less happy, and I hate to be a part of making someone less happy. I mean, they're already miserable and to make them less happy, I'd feel bad."

sac:

I'm not sure what you're talking about.  However, if you are referring to discussions/opinions regarding the Hope losing streak/situation, all of us Hope fans feel bad about it, and particularly for the players.  Yet, "it is what it is" and nothing wrong with you, me and everyone being honest about the assessments.  No one is impuing anyone on a personal vendetta at all, rather people, deep down are simply aware of what the plain truth is (I'm not accusing you of saying anyone is doing the former, just relating some thoughts here :)).  The coaches will tell us the same thing - actually they have, but that doesn't prevent them from continuing to encourage the players to not give up and do better, nor stop their coaching obviously.  Even players know they are not playing up to their potential - unfortunately, that just sometimes happens in life - the reality.  Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.  Nonetheless, I'm sure most will agree that there is no sense in anyone trying to "sugar coat" any situation! ;) ;D  Besides, this current game situation will, in the long run, be a very good experience/life lesson for players in their longterm future lives I'm sure.  Unlike the latter, this is just a game! ;) ;D

Anyway, if I have totally mis-read, mis-construed your meaning and "just plain blew this regarding what you, I and/or anyone is talking about", please forgive me - my sincerest apologies :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 24, 2009, 02:43:07 PM
Maybe if I properly site the qoute it would make more sense....... ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2009, 02:47:24 PM
sac:

That's okay!  If you did, it would probably make me feel even more like an idiot than I do now! ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on September 25, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
I'll be attending my first Hornet game of the fall tomorrow at Angell Field.  I'm looking forward to seeing Luczak, McCain, and Semelsberger in action.   They should be fun to watch. 

Cpl of stats so far:

Luczak  is 100 for 160, 1277 yds and 14 TDs. McCain is averaging 10 catches for 170yds (8 TD catches), Semelsberger is avg 141yds/game and has 5 TDs.  Impressive numbers, but I'm sure once the league season comes around, things will get much tougher with hardly a running game.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 25, 2009, 11:30:19 PM
AAARRGH!  Bonine and 3 relievers stymied the Sox for 2 hits (Bonine had a no-hitter thru 5) - the Tigers lost 2-0.  Meanwhile, the Twins won 9-4.

It's gettin' dicey.  Still, with the last 7 games at Comerica, I'm pretty confident.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 26, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
Ugh... not impressed with the Wheaton 3-4 defense.  Hope has dominated the game since mid-2nd quarter.  Hope has over 160 yards rushing - 100 of it in the 3rd quarter.  Hope has had possession of the ball in the 3rd quarter for 10 minutes to Wheatons 1:36.

Hope is playing very well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 26, 2009, 11:15:38 PM
Hope is a much improved team and the MIAA had better be ready.  

Very impressed with their OLine and mixture of power and finesse RB's.  1 carry will be the quick, slashing style of Elzinga (22 carries for 122 yards), then you get the beast Loveless (8 carries for 50 yards).  QB play needs some improvement however - some very questionable throws (10 of 34 for 150 yards, 1 TD & 1 INT).

Wheaton defense was dearly missing nose guard Nick Theobald.  Hope rushed for 218 yards on 48 carries.  100 yards rushing in the 3rd quarter alone - with over 13 minutes of possession.  

As much as Hope dominated the 3rd quarter, Wheaton took over in the 4th.  Blocked punt was HUGE.  Wheaton scores 2 plays later - proves to be the decisive score.

From my perspective it is clear Wheaton is still adjusting to a new offensive coordinator and the switch form a 4-3 to 3-4 defensive scheme.  Best of luck to the Dutchmen in the remainder of 2009;
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on September 26, 2009, 11:36:08 PM
Oh yeah... one other thing for Hope.  3 punts for a 14 yard average and 1 blocked punt isn't going to help.  A primary reason why Wheaton won tonight, other than Sean Norris.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2009, 11:52:08 PM
Pickems results for the week are up.

Next week's slate sometime tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on September 28, 2009, 05:56:20 PM
Looks to be a very interesting first week this week to start conference play.  Anyone have insight on Kalamazoo and if they can put up the same kind of offensive numbers against Adrian? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 29, 2009, 07:48:36 PM
A heart-breaker at Comerica this afternoon.  Tied 1-1 after 9, the Twinkies got 2 in the top of the 10th.  The Tigers got one back in the bottom of the inning, but lost 3-2.

In the nightcap, so far Justin is being Justin - 1 hit, no runs in three innings (he struck out the side in the second).  The Tigers have a HR from Cabrera, but otherwise the offense has not yet shown up.  1-0, middle of the third.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 29, 2009, 08:36:12 PM
as promised, the Trine vs Franklin game proved to be pretty amazing.  I didnt get to go to the game and I still havnt gotten to listen to the webcast, but I did get to recieve text message updates from friends who had the info.  what an exciting way to enjoy a football game...not!

I cant wait for MIAA football action this weekend!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2009, 08:38:42 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Here are my picks for this upcoming weekend, October 3rd:


Adrian @ Kazoo - Adrian

Olivet @ Albion - Albion

Hope @ Trine - Hope

Alma has a bye
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 30, 2009, 03:59:12 PM
Adrian 31 K zoo 17

Albion 21 Olivet 7

Trine 35 Hope 24
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2009, 10:12:39 PM
Final from Comerica: Tigers 7, Twins 2!

Up by three with four to go - I like our chances! ;D

(I hope we clinch before Sunday, so Verlander isn't needed and can rest up for the Yankees.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on October 01, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2009, 10:12:39 PM
Up by three with four to go - I like our chances! ;D
Make that up by two with three to go.  And I'll remind you of my Reds in 1999, when they were up 3 with 3 to go and ended up losing to the Mets in the 1-game playoff.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 01, 2009, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: altor on October 01, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2009, 10:12:39 PM
Up by three with four to go - I like our chances! ;D
Make that up by two with three to go.  And I'll remind you of my Reds in 1999, when they were up 3 with 3 to go and ended up losing to the Mets in the 1-game playoff.

Yeah, I'm not counting the chickens just yet, but better 2 up than 2 down! :D

Plus, the Twins still have to face Greinke (who owes us after beating the Tigers so many times!).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2009, 06:31:49 PM
Has anyone seen the extended forecast for Saturday's games?  Just curious.

Also, for you Trine guys, I will be at the game on Saturday with our Hope team and perhaps might have a chance to meet some of you at halftime, if my official team duties don't consume me.  I think it will be a good game and I'm also looking forward to seeing Trine's new stadium and synthetic turf.  Last time we were there it was a "mud-bowl". ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 01, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Is Hope the best winless team in the nation right now?

It sure seems that way looking at their opponents and the scores, this coming from a totally unbiased point of view. 

Well, I was friends with Hope alum Pepper Geiersbach back in High School.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 01, 2009, 10:19:46 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on October 01, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Is Hope the best winless team in the nation right now?

It sure seems that way looking at their opponents and the scores, this coming from a totally unbiased point of view. 

Well, I was friends with Hope alum Pepper Geiersbach back in High School.

I'm not a Hope guy, per se, but if there's a better winless team, I have no idea who it would be.

But I'm sure the Hope fans would regard that as equivalent to 'world's tallest midget', and prefer some wins! ;D

This Saturday in Angola is a tough way to try to start, but I think Hope will still finish 5-5 (at worst, 4-6).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on October 01, 2009, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on October 01, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Is Hope the best winless team in the nation right now?

It sure seems that way looking at their opponents and the scores, this coming from a totally unbiased point of view. 

Well, I was friends with Hope alum Pepper Geiersbach back in High School.

After watching them give Wheaton all they could handle, I was very impressed with them.  Way better than an 0-4 record would indicate.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 02, 2009, 03:26:24 PM
Former,

The forecast for tomorrow in Angola looks like rain and in the 50's.  The new turf is nice and they just added lights to the field so night games will be a possibility in the future.  Hope is always a tough team to play in the miaa after their brutal non-conference schedule.  It would be nice to see a rainless day so that both offenses to run their entire playbook but that could be wishful thinking.  But like always it should be a pretty darn good game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 02, 2009, 03:41:09 PM
Any speculation on whether rain will hamper one team more than the other in any of the MIAA games?  I'd especially welcome any insights on Hope/Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 02, 2009, 04:38:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 01, 2009, 06:31:49 PM
Has anyone seen the extended forecast for Saturday's games?  Just curious.

Also, for you Trine guys, I will be at the game on Saturday with our Hope team and perhaps might have a chance to meet some of you at halftime, if my official team duties don't consume me.  I think it will be a good game and I'm also looking forward to seeing Trine's new stadium and synthetic turf.  Last time we were there it was a "mud-bowl". ;D

Well there might be rain Saturday but at least it wont be another mud bowl!  I remember that game and Shive Field was never the same after that.  The turf is great but as you will notice the midfield "T" faces the visitors stands.  Thats because they still plan to build an all new building to that side with a new home side stadium with press box and even locker rooms and coaches offices in it.  I know that project got pushed back a little bit so Im not sure when they plan to start it.  But also as Diezel said, they just had lights installed!!  the first night game at the stadium will be between 2 of the local high schools on October 9th.

but enough about the field, football is football no matter what type of surface.  I think it will be a good game tomorrow.  Hope is known for being a heavy pass team and Trines defense is usually very strong against the run but employes almost a "bend but not break" style with their pass defense.  Again I think the key for Trine comes down to getting pressure on Hopes quarterback. 

as far as the rain affecting the teams, I think Trines offense is better suited to handle the wet weather as opposed to Hope.  Trine is usually pretty balanced with their attack but has so much depth at running back that they could run the ball literally every play.  Being a former reciever I hope they dont, but the capability is there. 

Formerd3db, come on down to the tailgate at halftime if you want a beer!  I'll have one waiting for you!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 02, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
As Boya said Trine's offense is pretty balanced.  There offensive averages are about the same passing as they are rushing.  Trine's qb is always a running threat when throwing, giving the offense another chance to pick up rushing yards.  I think Hope has good running backs that will allow them to run the ball but IMO plays into the strength of Trine's defense.  Last year Hope's passing game gave Trine a lot of problems so once again IMO Trine is better suited to play in the rain than Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2009, 06:27:02 PM
BOYA87 and Diezel1:

Thanks for the detailed info and your opinions.  I agree with you in the assesments.  I think Hope has a chance for the upset, however, if Trine decides to engage its passing game more, Hope could be in trouble because our secondary has been having a difficult time on several occasions.  Also, as you say, football is football regardless of the weather, although it will be nice to have the synthetic turf.  This will be two consecutive games on such surface for Hope.  I'm looking forward to seeing your "new digs" at Trine.

I will dress warm; also BOYA, I will look forward to meeting you at halftime if I can make it over there - thanks for the invite, you are most kind.  You guys drive safe and also, don't forget to dress warm!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on October 02, 2009, 06:44:15 PM
MIAA Capsules

Albion-Olivet: The oldest rivalry west of the Alleghenies renews itself tomorrow afternoon in the 109th meeting between these two teams. I haven't been too impressed with Olivet thus far this season. I think Albion, which has had two works to prepare and get healthy, is hungry for a win, and they will get one tomorrow.

Albion 35 Olivet 0

Kalamazoo-Adrian: This is the most intriguing game of the day for me. Just how good is Kalamazoo? I think they're pretty good and they're going to upset some people in the MIAA this year, that starts tomorrow.

Kalamazoo 35 Adrian 31

Trine-Hope: This match up features last years MIAA champion against the team I think has the most talent in the league this year. I think the game will be close, but I think the Dutchmen will avenge last years loss and prove their a force to be reckoned with in the conference.

Trine 24 Hope 33
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2009, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on October 02, 2009, 06:44:15 PM
MIAA Capsules

Albion-Olivet: The oldest rivalry west of the Alleghenies renews itself tomorrow afternoon in the 109th meeting between these two teams. I haven't been too impressed with Olivet thus far this season. I think Albion, which has had two works to prepare and get healthy, is hungry for a win, and they will get one tomorrow.

Albion 35 Olivet 0

Kalamazoo-Adrian: This is the most intriguing game of the day for me. Just how good is Kalamazoo? I think they're pretty good and they're going to upset some people in the MIAA this year, that starts tomorrow.

Kalamazoo 35 Adrian 31

Trine-Hope: This match up features last years MIAA champion against the team I think has the most talent in the league this year. I think the game will be close, but I think the Dutchmen will avenge last years loss and prove their a force to be reckoned with in the conference.

Trine 24 Hope 33

Good synopsis RBritannia.  The Kazoo and Hope games do have a good chance for upsets.  I think you are also right on regarding the Albion/Olivet game.  Olivet is having a rather disappointing and surprising year so far.  The 109th meeting (starting way back in 1884 when the two teams met twice that year) is, indeed, a great continuation of an historic rivalry.  Although I believe, as you do, that we'll not see a close 10-5 score as occured during one of those first meetings and again a couple of years ago! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 03, 2009, 01:09:42 PM
Adrian 7 Kzoo 0.  Kzoo has the ball in Adrian territory, Adrian applying pressure with only 3 DL.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 03, 2009, 04:12:18 PM
Adrian final Adrian 62 Kzoo 15.  Anyone at the game today to give any insight?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2009, 09:27:33 PM
I was sure wrong about Kazoo.  Adrian is always tough, however, this year it appeared they might be vulnerable and that Kazoo was on the rise as a potential serious challenger in the MIAA race.  But alas, Kazoo is back to their usual performance.  I'm sure they look to bounce back against Olivet next week at "The Big O's" Homecoming in Olivet.

Speaking of the latter, Olivet did as expected.  Albion seems to have handled them easily.  I was surprised that only 2017 were in attendance at Albion however.  Albion will be primed to unload on Hope at our Homecoming next weekend in Holland.  Hope and Olivet are both now 0-5 - unbelievable almost.

Now to the Trine/Hope game.  I was very impressed with Trine's line size, speed, and their RB and QB.  The only aspect they need to improve on is eliminating the "cheap shotting" in tackling - that was a continuous negative yesterday.  Aside from that, a great attendance for Trine's Homecoming - great to see all the stands filled including the endzone bleachers section as well as standing room only all the way around the field.  Synthetic turf looked great and was nice - new lights great also.  The only aspect that I think might be a nuisance next year is when Trine switches the home stands to the current visitor's side when they redo the stadium.  The wind and rain will be blowing right into the home crowd faces as it is a SW - NE usual wind direction with the field lined up NW - SE.  BTW, sorry I missed meeting you Trine guys ABOY and colleagues - my duties keep me busy at halftime.  Nonetheless, I hope you enjoyed your Homecoming win and tailgates.  Those are obviously always nicer when you win! :D

As far as other aspects of the game, Hope could have won the game, but failed to control.  Costly mistakes, particularly on special teams hurt.  QB Feys has found his touch in passing, throwing several precision completions including for a TD - except his INT throw directly to the Trine player (I forgot if it was a LB or DL) in the mid-4th quarter was the "death bell".  Except for our Hope's loss ( ;D, it was a pretty nice day -  the weather, which did a "Jeckyll and Hyde" all day going from sleet/heavy rain, terrible wind to very nice sunny/cloud scattered nice fall weather and changing about every 10-15 minutes in real time.  Nice campus at Trine with preservation of the old buildings, yet great additions with the new ones.  Angola a nice town as well - seems to be more busy than Alma or Albion - many neat preserved old buildings, Victorian houses, antique stores with new commercial and housing developments.  I like the addition of Trine to our MIAA, except when they beat us! ;)

Hope will need to try and focus now - tough Homecoming game with Albion next weekend, which could spoil the 100th Year Football Season special celebrations and other activities going on campus around the game.  Hope appears heading in the same direction as last year, although I hope not. :( :P ;D ;D ;D ;D

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 04, 2009, 10:03:02 PM
No offense to Kzoo, but I was shocked to see the number of people picking them over Adrian.  Adrian has abosrbed two losses to tough teams, Capital and Lake Erie and has played both of them tough.  Kzoo is Kzoo and this is not meant to be disparaging.  Their 3 wins came against three teams that combined going into last week were 0-9 and the team that beat them (Denison) had one win, that being over Kzoo.  Ive seen it before, go back to I believe 2001 Kzoo started 4-0 and was receiving some love from this site, and i believe was close to entering the top 25 and went on to lose all 5 league games that year.  It is the same issue every year, Kzoo has some good players but lacks the depth overall to bang with some of the higher notch MIAA teams.  Good coaching which they have in spades has kept them in many games in the past and they are very adept at playing spoiler but they have some inherent problems.  The main one being the size of recruiting classes which they bring in which from what I know are usually in the 15 player range which leaves little room for error in who you bring in.  The commitment from the top down does not seem to be present from K.  A lot of people will cite their academic standards and tuiton for the recruiting, but many schools have success with high standards and high costs, Depauw comes to mind off the top of my head.  I cant say K isnt capable of winning against top teams as i have experienced it first hand in both my junior and senior years, my senior year a Kzoo loss kept us from a split MIAA title and also a possible second MIAA team making the playoffs.  They arent a team to sleep on by any stretch as they can come up to bite you and do some damage and I think they can win around 3 MIAA games this year which would be great to see but Adrian coming off the Lake Erie loss had something to prove and Kzoo was simply the next team on the schedule.  Sorry to go off on a tangent I just looked back at the pick 'ems and a little of the old black and gold decide to come through.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on October 04, 2009, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on October 01, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Is Hope the best winless team in the nation right now?
Five losses by a total of 32 points to teams that are a combined 16-4.  My computer has them 93rd in D-III, which is the best of any 0 win team at this point in the season.  Probably little consolation for the Flying Dutchmen, however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2009, 11:24:22 PM
Quote from: altor on October 04, 2009, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on October 01, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Is Hope the best winless team in the nation right now?
Five losses by a total of 32 points to teams that are a combined 16-4.  My computer has them 93rd in D-III, which is the best of any 0 win team at this point in the season.  Probably little consolation for the Flying Dutchmen, however.

It's even more dramatic if you factor in that two of their opponents played each other yesterday (IWU 42, Carthage 16).  Against everyone except each other, Hope's opponents are 15-3! :o

Fortunately I have almost three weeks to figure out Adrian @ Hope - except perhaps that game, I predict they will run the remaining table.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 05, 2009, 12:17:58 PM
A few thoughts about ths weekends action:

Trine over Hope.  Good game from the Thunder infront of a packed house despite the weather.  It looks like they return an offense that is as good if not better than the confrence champion team of a year ago.  A lot of young talent that I expcet to get better as the season progresses.  The defence on the other hand looked suspect at times. Looked solid up front with the DL and LB's plying the run, but the LB and DB's still struggle stopping the pass.  It looks like the D will be asked to hold opponents just enough to let the potent offense win games.  Hope on the other hand will win some games.  They are better than their recond would suggest, and I would expect a much better record in the second half of the season.

Adrian over Kzoo.  A battle of a couple of teams with misleading records.  I believe Kzoo was exposed to be a team that ran up big numbers against some very weak teams.  I like the way the program is heading,  it looks like they are still a year or two away.  Adrian showed that they are still going to be a serious player in the league after a couple of loses to some good non conference teams.  I dont agree with running up 60+ points on an opponent, unless your second and third string are still scoring.  I have been on the wrong end of a game like that, and believe me, the Kzoo players will not forget about this in the future matchups with the bulldogs.

Albion over Olivet.  Its good to see Albion get on track with a win, and to see a defence who was highly touted in the off season, pitch a shutout.  As far as Olivet, I would be suprised to see them win a game.  havent seen many positives out of the Comet camp.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on October 05, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: altor on October 04, 2009, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on October 01, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Is Hope the best winless team in the nation right now?
Five losses by a total of 32 points to teams that are a combined 16-4.  My computer has them 93rd in D-III, which is the best of any 0 win team at this point in the season.  Probably little consolation for the Flying Dutchmen, however.

This is all so sad.  Comments about Hope being the "best" 0-5 team in the country.  Wow, where have the good 'ol days gone.

In the words of Herm Edwards, "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!"  We can talk all we want about the schedule, the opponents records, wah, wah wah.

We are 0-5 period!  And may I say without getting bashed to badly, soon to be 0-7 after Albion and Adrian.

As I said, a few weeks ago, time for some changes and I bet they will be coming about December.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 05, 2009, 01:24:05 PM
Great weekend in the MIAA

High scoring game with Adrian and Kazoo 62 points is hard to do.
Kazoo really had a let down after a solid non conference.
Defense wins games the wide open offense with no ball control really puts the defense in a bad spot. Adrian defense really must have had great pressure on Kazoo with the turnonvers and time of possesion.

Hope and Trine from what I read must have been a great game. Competitive and intense crowd. Trine continues to put points up, aggressive play calling and young team with skill players performing. Hope continues to have defense backfield issues. The question is it players in specific or is it time for a change in format or base defense? The league seems to be more wide open on the offensive side, I think pass pressure and defense are key. Unless a team is running downhill all day a 3-4 or hybred line and more speed from LB and DB is the key now in the MIAA.
This is not a only a Hope issue but accross the board in the league.


I attended the Albion Homecoming. Decent crowd on the Albion side surprised at the lack of Olivet fans. Rain and Homecoming seemed to delay the attendance until well into the 1st quarter. I think there was alot of "freebie" tickets which may not be part of the official count. I was expecting a bigger crowd with Homecoming and first MIAA league game. Might be due to of a couple below par seasons recently.

Olivet at Albion. I think the BYE week was very good to Albion. QB whom was playing his 2nd game as a starter certainly controlled tempo and pace of offense more effectivley.
2 RB's came back for the first time with playing time after pre-season injuries. Both RB put up good numbers, nice rotation of fresh RB coming into and out of line-up. The Brits used multiple sets which increased the options and assignments for the Olivet defense.
Defensively Albion got 2-3 starters back, DL and DB both returned Starters who were injuried. The DL played extremely well controlled the line of scrimmage. Pressure on both Olivet QB's lead to turnovers.
The line play (BOTH SIDE OF THE BALL) I believe is Olivets biggest issue presently, I felt the Lineplay from Albion was the reason for the Albion win.
I expect another starter possibly 2 back for Albion next week at Hope.
The Brits are getting back to full strength and also getting comfortable with the changes to the offensive and defensive base systems.
I expect a very good game in Holland. Hope is a solid team and has been on the wrong side of a couple close competitive games. They will win several MIAA games this year.
If the Brits are to win this game they will have to control the time of possesion Hope has a effective offense. 30 some odd points VS Trine at Trine is quality offense.

Say your prayers for the Tigers, need to pull a win in the "Hanky Dome" Tuesday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 05, 2009, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: section7 on October 05, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: altor on October 04, 2009, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on October 01, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Is Hope the best winless team in the nation right now?
Five losses by a total of 32 points to teams that are a combined 16-4.  My computer has them 93rd in D-III, which is the best of any 0 win team at this point in the season.  Probably little consolation for the Flying Dutchmen, however.

This is all so sad.  Comments about Hope being the "best" 0-5 team in the country.  Wow, where have the good 'ol days gone.

In the words of Herm Edwards, "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!"  We can talk all we want about the schedule, the opponents records, wah, wah wah.

We are 0-5 period!  And may I say without getting bashed to badly, soon to be 0-7 after Albion and Adrian.

As I said, a few weeks ago, time for some changes and I bet they will be coming about December.

Section,

After watching the game saturday at Trine I dont see Hope going 0-7.  They are a talented team that just needs to eliminate a couple mistakes a game.  One major mistake was at the end of the second quarter when  Trine broke a long run and capitalized with a long field goal which ended up being the difference in the game.  But they are a good team and it would not suprise me if they win 4 games in conference. Which from an overall standpoint doesn't give them a good overall record but would keep them in contention for the conference championship and thats really all that matters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 05, 2009, 06:08:04 PM
Boredatwork56:

Adrian had their subs in in the 3rd scores for them came from backups after the half.  I to have been on a side of a game where the score was being run up, my freshman year lose to Albion 56-10 still brings back bad bad memories...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 06, 2009, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 05, 2009, 06:08:04 PM
Boredatwork56:

Adrian had their subs in in the 3rd scores for them came from backups after the half.  I to have been on a side of a game where the score was being run up, my freshman year lose to Albion 56-10 still brings back bad bad memories...

ADAWG: 

I dont know if that says more about Kzoo's D or Adrian's depth, although i assume that Kzoo was also playing their reserves. I was on the wrong end of a 73-0 game against Albion, on Tri-State's homecoming no less.  This was a game where Albion's starters were not pulled until extreamly late in the game and where unnecessary shots were taken (if I remember right, the 73rd point came on a long field goal near the end of the game) and there are still ill feelings about that game as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 06, 2009, 10:09:09 AM
Wow, a lot of good topics coming on today.

First I'll comment on Adrian Kzoo.  There was a lot of talk about this game coming in and people saying Kzoo had a shot at an upset.  I think some of the Adrian players might have read some of those comments and taken it to heart.  They put a beat down on Kzoo.  I wouldn't say that I every thought Kzoo was going to pull an upset, but with the way their season had started I had very high hopes that a very down team in recent years was making a huge surge much like the Tri-State/Trine of recent.  I was hoping to see their offense continue to produce but it looks like Adrian picked them apart on both offense and defense. 

Albion looks to have handled Olivet fairly easily and Olivet looks to continue to struggle.  No one may expect Olivet to contend for the MIAA Championship but I full expect them to have a spoiler opportunity for some contender that overlooks them.

Trine vs Hope was the game I got to attend this weekend and I was impressed with both teams.  I thought coming into the game that Trines running attack would have the advantage should the weather be bad but Hopes running game was impressive.  Definitely a different offense than I remember playing against.  Their full back was huge and it didn't take much for him to make a hole for their tailback.  Also Hopes tight end #86 was a HUGE target for their QB during the game.  If it got to be 3rd down you better believe Hope was looking at #86.  Even in scrambling situations the QB always seemed to find his big target. 

Trine on the other hand still had an impressive offensive game.  Kent Biller (RB) did not get to play last week against Franklin due to a death in his family but boy did he come back strong!  Ever since Coach Land took over for the Thunder they have utilized many different running backs in the offense, but Biller is an every down back and they used him as such this weekend.  He is amazingly quick, fast, and strong.  He pops through holes that are only there for an instance and if he gets into open space you better take a good pursuit angle to catch him.  I wouldn't want to be a D coordinator trying to game plan against the arm and running abilities of Watt at QB and now the running threat of this young RB as well.

Alma had a bye but I very much look forward to the Trine @ Alma match-up.  Alma always gives Trine a good game and their offense has put up big numbers.  It could be a shoot out in Alma Michigan on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Carl Yastrzemski on October 06, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
I rarely post on this board, I am more of a basketball fan. But I had to break up the "who got beat by Albion worse" support group. I must say the amount of information you can find on the internet is great. A quick search of the stat sheets for the two games in question reveals some interesting things.

Boredatwork- I haven't laughed this hard in a while. That had to be the first time I have ever heard of an extra point being called a long field goal. You were correct on one thing, the 73rd point came late in the game, only because the Albion reserve players went on a 13 play drive ending with a TD taking more than 7 minutes off the clock. It looks like none of the scoring drives by the 1st team offense took more than 5 plays. The only FG Albion tried took place in the 1st qtr and they missed it.

Adawg- Looking at the stat sheet I would find it hard to say the score was run up. Yes it was a lopsided score, but it looks like the starters were out with more than half of the 3rd qtr remaining. One of the 2nd half scores was a fumble return by the defense for a TD. Turning the ball over 4 times in the 2nd half didn't help Adrian out either.  At least 30 players recorded a tackle for the Albion defense, and it looks like 7 different RBs carried the ball. It sure does seem like they cleared the bench.

That is all for me this football season. I look forward to seeing most of you during another exciting MIAA basketball season.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACRULZ on October 06, 2009, 01:29:54 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 06, 2009, 10:09:09 AM
First I'll comment on Adrian Kzoo.  There was a lot of talk about this game coming in and people saying Kzoo had a shot at an upset.  I think some of the Adrian players might have read some of those comments and taken it to heart.  They put a beat down on Kzoo.  I wouldn't say that I every thought Kzoo was going to pull an upset, but with the way their season had started I had very high hopes that a very down team in recent years was making a huge surge much like the Tri-State/Trine of recent.  I was hoping to see their offense continue to produce but it looks like Adrian picked them apart on both offense and defense. 


First of all K-Zoo beat 3 really, really bad teams, and then lost to a bad team...I don't understand where all of the hype came from.

Trine beat quality opponents on their way to the top, I must say there is no comparison there.  I also agree that Adrian must have been fed up hearing about Kalamazoo all week long...they certainly made K-Zoo look like K-Zoo. 

I believe Adrian's record is a bit misleading...yes they beat Defiance and Bluffton...two bad teams, but also had very competitive games with Capital (#21 in the country) and Lake Erie, who has become quite a competitive team and will be joining the GLIAC next season.  Adrian had opportunities to beat Capital in the 4th and were up on Lake Erie 21-0...to become a great team we all know the Bulldogs need to win these games...however, the blatant disrespect of people giving K-Zoo soooo much credit as to pick them over Adrian?????  I believe that just ticked the Bulldogs off just a bit!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 06, 2009, 02:07:12 PM
Carl-

Thanks for putting in the legwork to clear up some memories of a game that, for the most part, have tried to forget.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 06, 2009, 04:27:08 PM
I was just reading the article on d3football.com about Kzoo and maybe Adrian got some extra motivation by that article.  It will be interesting to see how their offense fares against Olivet.  Although Olivet is struggling, conference play is completely different than bad non-conference teams
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 06, 2009, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: ACRULZ on October 06, 2009, 01:29:54 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 06, 2009, 10:09:09 AM
First I'll comment on Adrian Kzoo.  There was a lot of talk about this game coming in and people saying Kzoo had a shot at an upset.  I think some of the Adrian players might have read some of those comments and taken it to heart.  They put a beat down on Kzoo.  I wouldn't say that I every thought Kzoo was going to pull an upset, but with the way their season had started I had very high hopes that a very down team in recent years was making a huge surge much like the Tri-State/Trine of recent.  I was hoping to see their offense continue to produce but it looks like Adrian picked them apart on both offense and defense. 


First of all K-Zoo beat 3 really, really bad teams, and then lost to a bad team...I don't understand where all of the hype came from.

Trine beat quality opponents on their way to the top, I must say there is no comparison there.  I also agree that Adrian must have been fed up hearing about Kalamazoo all week long...they certainly made K-Zoo look like K-Zoo. 

I believe Adrian's record is a bit misleading...yes they beat Defiance and Bluffton...two bad teams, but also had very competitive games with Capital (#21 in the country) and Lake Erie, who has become quite a competitive team and will be joining the GLIAC next season.  Adrian had opportunities to beat Capital in the 4th and were up on Lake Erie 21-0...to become a great team we all know the Bulldogs need to win these games...however, the blatant disrespect of people giving K-Zoo soooo much credit as to pick them over Adrian?????  I believe that just ticked the Bulldogs off just a bit!

I agree, but it was wishful thinking on my part to see a down team begin theyr rise.  I am all for the competitiveness of the MIAA and I hope all the teams become contenders for good competition AND strength of schedule sakes!

but as far as picking that as an upset I did not.  I posted early last week my pick for that game as Adrian 31 Kzoo 17.  I guess if anything I didnt give Adrians offense enough credit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2009, 05:12:31 PM
Re: Adrian/Kazoo - I haven't gone back to check what may have been said on THIS board, but as the MIAA Pickems compiler I can tell you the picks were unanimously for Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2009, 07:21:57 PM
Not intending to cause some irritation here or be "argumentative", however, since these topics have been brought up and discussed, I'll throw in my $0.02 worth for the sake of "sprited discussion"! ;D

First, to my respected Adrian friends here on the board.  I have to agree with our good friend Mr. Ypsi on this Adrian topic.  Also, I don't, whatsoever, believe that anyone here on the board meant any disrespect towards Adrian with regards to the discussion of a possible Kazoo win in that game.  While I, indeed, said that in effect that Kazoo could potentially pull an upset, I did pick Adrian to win.  Furthermore, in games such as that and as you all know, many times, it doesn't matter "who has played who" in the past - even if they are "bad" teams (and both Adrian and Kazoo did play some very less talented teams as has been correctly mentioned) - a team can surprise someone and rise to the occasion to pull an upset.  There was a real possibility that Kazoo could have done so this year, perhaps more than in past years - although, admittedly less likely and again accounting for why most of us picked Adrian.  This has happened many times in the MIAA even in recent years (too numerous to mention here, although I can provide you with specific examples if you desire).  

As to the topic of "running up the score", it does happen, although also infrequent.  Case in point; Albion did so in 1996 against Alma in an ugly 80-40 win (and unfortunately it was blatent), although Alma repaid them the following year without "running up the score" in a 58-16 win the following year.  One never likes to see that happen, but it does, although again, in frequent.  Now you Albion people, please don't go "off the deep end" and berate me for mentioning this as, again, my intention is not to "throw stones" rather just mentioning some factual aspects that have happend in the past with respect to the topic of discussion.

Anyway, as far as this upcoming weekend, I've already given my opinion that it will be a very tough, rough game as usual between Albion and Hope, even though it is Hope's Homecoming.  Albion always plays a tough game there and I expect perhaps a "barnburner", yet as we all know, someone could conversely just "blow it out" i.e. if it got out of control at some point (has happened before).  My Hope is that obviously Hope wins and that there is good sportsmanship, unlike what happend a couple of years ago when Albion visted here that year.  Good, heated rivalry is good, as long as sportsmanship is kept priority (can you also say U of Mich/Mich State? ??? ::) ;)!

We'll see how things play out for the teams that have perhaps the better shot at the title (Adrian, Alma, Albion Trine and perhaps Hope).  I also agree that Kazoo and Olivet will be spoilers.  Obviously, some of the  teams who lose this week will be out of the running. - certainly that applies to Hope.  

All that being said, let's hope for better weather this weekend (although the weather last weekend wasn't all that bad), but it is October and with what has been going on already this week, it might not be promising.  But, the games go on!  Thanks everyone for some great discussion on this board.  It has been extremely more active than it usually has been in the past years and that is good!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2009, 07:58:17 PM
Tigers 4, Twins 4, top of the 8th.

Tigers have men on 1st and 2nd with one out.

For heaven sake, if you are not watching (or at least listening), TURN IT ON! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 06, 2009, 08:00:21 PM
The "lack of respect" angle has been so played in this state.........


but fwiw, I was handed this last week.....
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmgoblog.com%2Fsites%2Fmgoblog.com%2Ffiles%2Fmarkdantiononorespect_thumb.jpg&hash=f3ca61c256ab7462ff7f627df162d7067bd78d1a)

I have to admit, it was funnier on Friday. :-\


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2009, 08:39:15 PM
Tigers had men at first and third, no one out in the top of the ninth.  Couldn't score. :(

Heading for the tenth.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2009, 10:12:52 PM
After stranding approximately 347 baserunners, the Tigers lose in the bottom of the 12th.

Since I never imagined them leading the division for nearly the entire season, I can't be TOO disappointed, but it still leaves a bitter taste.  Kinda like my league bowling today - I had my best series in years, but it SHOULD have been so much better! :D

[A game that begins XX/XXX/ is criminally under performing to finish 195! ::)]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 06, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2009, 10:12:52 PM
After stranding approximately 347 baserunners, the Tigers lose in the bottom of the 12th.

Since I never imagined them leading the division for nearly the entire season, I can't be TOO disappointed, but it still leaves a bitter taste.  Kinda like my league bowling today - I had my best series in years, but it SHOULD have been so much better! :D

[A game that begins XX/XXX/ is criminally under performing to finish 195! ::)]

Blame the rest of rest of the Central Division, who went 1-17 vs the Twins down the stretch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2009, 10:59:11 PM
Quote from: sac on October 06, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2009, 10:12:52 PM
After stranding approximately 347 baserunners, the Tigers lose in the bottom of the 12th.

Since I never imagined them leading the division for nearly the entire season, I can't be TOO disappointed, but it still leaves a bitter taste.  Kinda like my league bowling today - I had my best series in years, but it SHOULD have been so much better! :D

[A game that begins XX/XXX/ is criminally under performing to finish 195! ::)]

Blame the rest of rest of the Central Division, who went 1-17 vs the Twins down the stretch.

While the Tigers got no help (even from Greinke >:(), ultimately they lost it themselves.  The hitting was WAY to erratic, and the pitching, while generally very good, would collapse at the worst possible moments.

[Though right now I'm still fixating on my bowling - when you have 144 in the 6th frame, you do NOT (happily) settle for 195! :-[ >:(]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 07, 2009, 10:16:37 AM
Mr Ypsi - thanks for the laugh.  I'm sorry it was at your expense, but it's nice to know the Tigers aren't the only ones in the state of Michigan who can't finish.  Guess none of use should count our division titles...

eh - 200 games...

eh - chickens before they hatch.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 07, 2009, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: Carl Yastrzemski on October 06, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
I rarely post on this board, I am more of a basketball fan. But I had to break up the "who got beat by Albion worse" support group. I must say the amount of information you can find on the internet is great. A quick search of the stat sheets for the two games in question reveals some interesting things.

Boredatwork- I haven't laughed this hard in a while. That had to be the first time I have ever heard of an extra point being called a long field goal. You were correct on one thing, the 73rd point came late in the game, only because the Albion reserve players went on a 13 play drive ending with a TD taking more than 7 minutes off the clock. It looks like none of the scoring drives by the 1st team offense took more than 5 plays. The only FG Albion tried took place in the 1st qtr and they missed it.

Adawg- Looking at the stat sheet I would find it hard to say the score was run up. Yes it was a lopsided score, but it looks like the starters were out with more than half of the 3rd qtr remaining. One of the 2nd half scores was a fumble return by the defense for a TD. Turning the ball over 4 times in the 2nd half didn't help Adrian out either.  At least 30 players recorded a tackle for the Albion defense, and it looks like 7 different RBs carried the ball. It sure does seem like they cleared the bench.

That is all for me this football season. I look forward to seeing most of you during another exciting MIAA basketball season.



Damg Carl you should know that stories get better over time (& beers).  i had a few in my day in the late 90's with Defiance usually against mount union but they new how to not run it up even thought they score would still get nasty.  thier starters actually showered at halftime my sophmore year i think they were up 35 or 42 pts ended 55-0.

only one that i ever thought that was run up  was freshman year 96 at the concrete pad knnown as Alma's field and they were up 62-20 and kicked a FG with little time left.  that was the year we started 18 true freshman and everyone was really pissed on the sidelines and motivated to beat them for a year.  following season we go 1-8 and the 1 win is over Alma where we played our A game and they were 4 or 5-0 coming into the game...  as Earl Hickey would say Karma!! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 07, 2009, 11:06:46 AM
Former,

I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to KZoo and possibly Olivet in the aspect of spoiling it for someone.  Kzoo now has some players that are capable of making plays and if over looked can beat you.  I think that was the intentions of the posters in regard to the Adrian-Kzoo game last week.  No disrespect intended but an upset can happen and with the way KZoo was playing, it seemed possible.

And Ypsi,

Although the Tigers lost last night, that game might be one of the greatest baseball games to ever be played.  And I believe Inge's jersey was hit in the top of the 12th which should have scored a run.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2009, 03:14:10 PM
True. I consider that a makeup call for the obvious strike that was called a ball on Brandon Inge in the 10th. It was clear Randy Marsh couldn't see the inside corner for crap last night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 07, 2009, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2009, 03:14:10 PM
True. I consider that a makeup call for the obvious strike that was called a ball on Brandon Inge in the 10th. It was clear Randy Marsh couldn't see the inside corner for crap last night.

The real funny thing about that Pat is Randy Marsh was very consistent throughout the first 8 innings or so.  Then it seemed like he lost focus or something because pitches he was calling balls in the beginning of the game became strikes and one pitch it would be a strike and the next time it was in the same location it was a ball.  I dont know if it was the foul balls he took to the mask or what but he clearly lost his consistency in the extra innings. And how do you see the ball hit Aubrey Huff's pant leg but not Inge's jersey???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 07, 2009, 03:59:53 PM
I agree on everything said about the tigers game.  Not happy with the result of the game, or the season for that matter, but I was glued to the TV for every pitch during the best baseball game I have seen in a long time.



Now onto the picks for this weeks MIAA action!

Expect Alma to put up big numbers in the air and Trine control the clock with a big day on the ground.  Trine 35 - Alma 31

Hope gets over the hump in front of the homecoming crowd in a tight game with Albion.  Hope 28 - Albion 24

Kalamazoo goes back to putting up big numebrs over Olivet. Kzoo 41 - Olivet 20
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 08, 2009, 02:09:38 PM
I like your picks and scores BoredatWork.  Mine are going to be similar.  I cant believe its Thursday already and another day of games is almost upon us.

Trine has been putting up big points but faces another offense who has been potent.  I bet both D-Coordinators have been racking their brains this week trying to figure out a way to stop the other Offense.  In the end I think Trine holds on 35-31

We all saw last week that maybe Kalamazoo wasnt back to contend in the MIAA but they play very well against weak teams which is what they are playing this week.  Kzoo gets back on stride with a win over Olivet 38-17.

Lastly I thought Hope was a very strong team against Trine with a very good offense and decent defense.  I say they take the game against Albion 28-21
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 08, 2009, 02:48:59 PM
i think that hope will gets 1 win  saturday home vs albion  for homecomming weekend
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2009, 09:53:25 PM
I have to agree with you guys - my picks for this week:

Trine

Hope  

Kazoo  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 09, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
Forcast for Alma Michigan tomorrow,

High of 56 partly cloudy.  The rain should hold off till later in the evening so that we can see these explosive offenses without any distractions or excuses.  Should be a good show!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 10, 2009, 02:34:47 PM
Trine vs Alma score just before half, 

Trine 34 Alma 7

Alma's special teams is giving Trine phenominal field position and making scoring easy for the Thunder.  Trine just got the ball back on Alma's 38 with 3:00 left and are about to score again.  Sounds like Trines Offense and Defense are playing very well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 10, 2009, 05:17:32 PM
Today's scores

Trine 51, Alma 14
Hope 14, Albion 6
Kalamazoo 24, Olivet 14
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2009, 10:25:33 PM
Regarding today's scores:

1) For once I picked them all correct! :D ;D ::), although that probably wasn't hard for today :P

2) Trine's smashing of Alma was a surprise.  Alma will have to regroup hard now.  

3) Hope finally "finished one".  As Coach Kreps commented after the game, "it was not a pretty win, but we'll take it"!  A great Homecoming crowd, weather was good, although got very cold in the second half and the sun disappeared.  Hope's offense did not have a great game today - almost completely opposite of last week's performance.  Our defense came through at the end with a big stop (D-Line did a tremendous job today), although our secondary is still having major problems.  I was impressed with Albion's punter; our Hope punter did a fine job today as well.  Albion moved the ball well at times, but is just not anywhere near their best/better teams of the past.  

4)  Kazoo at Olivet - as expected.

5) IMO, the overall officiating this year in the MIAA (at least so far) has been good - a great improvement over what it has been the last 4 years.  Still a few missed and/or non-calls, however, no one is perfect and it is good to see the improvement, especially the consistency in calls.

Hope has the "bye" next weekend; a good chance to rest up before Adrian invades Holland.  I'll be interested to hear all of your comments regarding the other games today.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2009, 10:29:16 PM
I forgot to mention that we also had some great activities this weekend on campus for the Homecoming and 100th Year Celebration of football at Hope.  It was great to see many former teammates as well as others from the various years/decades and coaches.  The Recognition Dinner for Coach Ray Smith was a highlight and it was so nice to see former Albion Head Football Coach (and QB himself) Frank Joranko and former Albion QB/current MIAA Commissioner Dave Nielson in attendance at the dinner.  You can be assured some great stories were told last evening at the dinner at all the tables and...that all of those were true! ;D :o ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 11, 2009, 09:03:52 AM
D3DB


Congrats to Hope on the Homecoming win today
Nice day in Holland for me and mine except for the Brits loss :'(
We always enjoy the trip and the town. Attended some HC events and all were very cordial to a ragged looking Brit fan.

Good crowd even though it was getting cold with the wind.
Tough day for the FG teams with the wind, and wet.
I felt the big reason for the Hope win was the DL was very good for the Hope controlled play, and generated pressure with a 4 man front not many "blitzes" which helped the DB's with press coverage.

You mention the officiating I felt it was terriable in the game, Officials should not be noticed in the game and have little to no effect on outcomes. Todays crew missed plays big and made 2 critical "calls" that should never been made. Directly leading to points or removing turnovers.
I am not making excuses as Hope was the better team controlled the tempo and won the battles on the line. Fullback for Hope continued to get critical first downs and move the chains. Brits need to score more points if they want to contend for MIAA crown.

Should be a competitive MIAA this year the games across the board should be tight for the top 2-3 teams in the hunt for the MIAA title.

Albion will need to generate some offense, Defense again played well, getting close to 100% healthy still hurting on DL. DB's look to be getting a better understanding of the new system and had no major missed assignments this week that is 2 weeks in a row after a rough start to the season.
Brits need to win out the rest of the schedule and get some help from Adrian in 2 weeks VS your Hope squad.

Well off to Mass here in Holland ( we visit a different church on every trip) a late breakfast, then back to east side of state.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2009, 04:45:15 PM
D306:

Thanks for the congrats.  As always, I appreciate your comments/opinions/contributions to the discussions on our board.  I wish I had known you were at the game as it would have been nice to meet you.  I'm sure that all of our colleagues here agree that it is always nice to meet with fellow posters and "put a face with a posting name/real name".

Also, glad you enjoyed some of the activities around HC here, even thought it was "our" Homecoming.  As I mentioned, I, too, had a great time seeing some of my former teammates.  BTW, neat "tradition" you have of visiting a church in the towns you visit for the games.

I am interested to hear about the calls you are referring to.  IMO, (and I was on the sidelines the entire game), there were no crucial calls that led to not getting points.  There was one call that you Albion fans were clearly upset over late in the game; I know of one ruled incomplete pass on an Albion drive, however, the ball was clearly trapped.  I can point out to the roughing the kicker call against Hope on Albion's kicker, however, Hope's punt returner was not given enough room to field the ball on that and IMO, there should have been a penalty on that thereby having "offsetting calls" and a repeat fourth down rather than Albion getting a first down.

Regarding other calls, there were several missed holding calls for both teams by the officials and, on at least two that I witnessed right in front of me (a third that was complained by one of our coaches of which I did not personally witness), Albion players should have been called for deliberatly blatant personal fouls (head swipes/head shots) in making tackles on the Hope runner/receiver.  However, all that being said, we all know that officials do miss some call, yet my point is simply that, compared to the last 4 years and particularly the last two, the officials were very consistent yesterday for both sides, the calls that were missed were AND, the officials were not blatently, consciously ignoring rules that should be enforced especially with respect to safety rules (aside from the two missed personal fouls I alluded to above - the officials did say that those were "warning or talk-to incidents to which I totally disagree as did our coaches - then again, we are biased ;D ;)).  I will say and agree with you that yesterdays crew was not quite as good as the other one's we've had so far this season at least at our home games and the MIAA game at Trine last week, but again, they were not "out of control" like some particularly last year in all of Hope's MIAA games as well as their non-conference home games.     

So that is my opinion regarding that subject.  Also, I will just add that I did not perceive your comments on the subject as excuses or "sour grapes" - you did not come across that way.  Certainly, there are going to be some calls in any game that either side will have a question on, but again, my point was that these were minimal and the level of officiating has been tremendously improved in the MIAA games I have seen that last 4 years and certainly including the Albion/Hope games during that period both at your place and ours.

Anyway, by the time you read this, I hope you had a safe journey home today.  Best of luck to your Britions for the remainder of the season.  This may turn out to be quite interesting to see "who disrupts who" for the MIAA title.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 11, 2009, 08:03:33 PM
A few thoughts on the Trine - Alma game:

Trine's offense showed its versitility by dominating Alma's defence on the ground and through the air.  The runshing attack was very impressive, compiling over 300 yards on the ground.  They did in in a variety of ways with a variety of different players.  13 different rushers got a chance to carry the ball as the reserves played the majority of the second half.  Trine showed that it could run inside and outside.  They also showed more option than they had all year.  Watch for more of this in the future.  They have some athletes that can get to the edge and can do some damage.

We all knew Trine had a good running game, but their passing game was equally impressive on Saturday.  They threw for over 200 yards and 4 touchdowns, but most of that was in the first half, as they kept it on the ground for most of the second half.  Overall, the offense was clicking, even with backups.  They didnt punt until halfway through the 4th quarter.

The Defence played perhaps their best game of the year.  The key to holding Alma was getting pressure from the front three.  McGrady was on the run most of the game and was forced to throw the ball into the stands several times.  The fact that Trine could drop 7 or 8 and still get pressure made it a long day for the Alma O.

If Trine keeps clicking on both sides of the ball like they did Saturday, they are going to be hard to beat the rest of the way out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2009, 08:37:24 PM
I admit I was very worried about the Alma game, but the coaches changed up the pass defense and they played MUCH better.  There seem to be a LOT of weapons on offense as well.  Still a long road ahead, however.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 11, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
D3DB

Yes we have had the "tradition" for years of attending Sunday or Saturday night services in every city we see a game at. I started this in my HS years with a few priests and continued through all my playing days.
We also do the same for my Daughters games presently, as well as when my son played college ball.

There certainly was a few calls that went both ways and I do not like to get "hung up" on them. The "points" came from the Interference call late in the first half on Albion. Hope WR ran a corner route or fade ( not sure as he broke it off and stopped) then as the DB came up on the WR's cut the pass was 10 yards over their heads into the endzone and they bumped. Uncathcable ball the WR could have been alone in a flat out sprint and he had no chance to catch that ball. The ensuing couple plays lead to the late in the quarter TD instead of Hope punting it away.
Sounds as you may have an opportunity to possibly see the game films, if I am incorrect I apologize but it was not even close from my vantage point.

That is my last comment on officiating or calls relative to this game because I always feel arguing calls or pointing them out after the game is "whinning" As we were always told by our coachs "shut-up" overcome it and score more points.
I only commented as a reply to your mention of the officiating in this game in particular.
I can not speak for the officiating in prior years you mentioned in your reply, as I have just started to follow the MIAA the last few years with my return to Michigan and "business" with the Colleges around the state. I know a few families that have players on Albion so this is why I attend/root for them in particular. You know us "old" guys it is always back in the day and we can not give up the sport. I truely enjoy watching any sport and stop on my travels to watch a random game at a HS if my schedule allows during the midweek.
I have always been a fan of the D3, MIAA, and Private colleges such as Hillsdale.
I believe these colleges offer a superior education, values, opportunities to lead and make an impact that is lost at larger universities. ( That said my daughter attends a very large university  ;D for a good reason though )

Good luck to Hope as I said before Hope deserved the win, I make no excuses for Albion. 6 points does not cut it, offense has to step it up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 13, 2009, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 10, 2009, 10:25:33 PM
Regarding today's scores:

1) For once I picked them all correct! :D ;D ::), although that probably wasn't hard for today :P

2) Trine's smashing of Alma was a surprise.  Alma will have to regroup hard now. 

3) Hope finally "finished one".  As Coach Kreps commented after the game, "it was not a pretty win, but we'll take it"!  A great Homecoming crowd, weather was good, although got very cold in the second half and the sun disappeared.  Hope's offense did not have a great game today - almost completely opposite of last week's performance.  Our defense came through at the end with a big stop (D-Line did a tremendous job today), although our secondary is still having major problems.  I was impressed with Albion's punter; our Hope punter did a fine job today as well.  Albion moved the ball well at times, but is just not anywhere near their best/better teams of the past. 

4)  Kazoo at Olivet - as expected.

5) IMO, the overall officiating this year in the MIAA (at least so far) has been good - a great improvement over what it has been the last 4 years.  Still a few missed and/or non-calls, however, no one is perfect and it is good to see the improvement, especially the consistency in calls.

Hope has the "bye" next weekend; a good chance to rest up before Adrian invades Holland.  I'll be interested to hear all of your comments regarding the other games today




Former3db,

At the halfway point of season, How would you rank the finish by teams for the MIAA?

Who will win it all and can they go deeper into the playoffs?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 13, 2009, 04:57:00 PM
thats a great question and a good time of the season to ask it at the halfway point.  I think overall in the MIAA teams are becoming more competitive in general both with eachother in the MIAA and in their non-conference schedule (I know many teams struggled in their non-conference schedule but Hope played some good games against some very strong teams)

As far as placement goes I would put them like this:

1. Trine
2. Adrian
3. Hope
4. Alma
5. Kalamazoo
6. Albion
7. Olivet

as a former player I know the importance of taking ever opponent seriously and not overlooking any game.  However as a fan I cannot help but be anxious for another match-up of Trine and Adrian at the end of the season for the championship!  Last years game was...epic!  and both teams look just as strong if not stronger than last years. 

I think Trines offense has the depth and potency to put up big numbers against any team even in the cold climate of the playoffs should they make it.  Their defense however lost so many influential starters from last year and they are still trying to catch up.  However this last week Trines defense played lights out against an always dangerous Alma Scotts Offense.  I think they have found their rythme and are going to be playing with a great amount of confidence from here on out.  I think this creates a dangerous combination for a playoff run should the opportunity present itself.  Trines one downfall, a loss to Franklin which would hurt their seeding. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
D306:

Thanks for the follow-up and sharing of your experiences.  I couldn't agree with you more!  As far as that call you discussed, I will make only a few more comments as well.  First, I know what you mean about people "whinning" about officiating.  I guess we all do it on occasion, however, I will say again that I did not think you were doing that at all.  I see nothing wrong with any of us discussing any particular call in any game as long as people don't "cross the line", start making it personal against anyone and/or as long as it is done in a civil and constructive manner.  Of course, as you astutly point out, there comes a time to "move on" in such because we all know that the call can't be changed.

Secondly, I remember the call you mention.  I think it is as you describe, with one exception - I believe (as did our coaches and what one official had explained) that the interference call was on the Albion DB before the bump that you describe - he actually slightly held the WR before the ball was over them.  Indeed, it was eventually an uncatchable ball, but the first contact occured before that and, thus, regardless if it was an uncatchable ball, the latter is irrelevant since it occured after the initial infraction.  In that vein, from my/our vantage point, it was the correct call.  I believe everyone was focusing on the "end outcome" i.e. the bump portion and "overthrown" ball that you have correctly described, but people missed the earlier bump/hold which was milliseconds before the final portions of that play.  Anyway, enough said on this topic! ;D

Thanks for the well-wished to us (Hope) for the remainder of the season.  Same to you and your Albion.  Talk to you again here on the board soon.





Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2009, 05:14:13 PM
Raider 68:

I agree with BOYA87 - that is a great question.  However, it is, obviously, also a tough one to answer.  It always is at this time in the MIAA race because we've always seemed to have it "come down to the wire" in recent years.

Right now, I'd have to agree with BOYA87's list rank in answer to your question, with the exception that I think either Hope or Alma could be interchangable in the order he listed.  I see Trine as the favorite, but Adrian could be a surprise team in there as well.

As far as the eventual playoff situation for our MIAA AQ, as you know, we've been frustrated in not having one of our MIAA teams make it past the first round since Albion's 1994 National Championship win in the Stagg Bowl.  I think that either Trine or Adrian, should they win the MIAA title, would have a good chance of breaking that streak this year, although, for sure, that depends on who they would be paired with.  If they were to get a team that is not quite the calibur i.e. powerhouse that Mount Union and/or Wheaton are this year, then I think they would have a good chance, no disrespect to any of the other teams that would be in our region for the first round.

Indeed, it will be interesting to see what plays out.  I'm sure that your Mount Union will be on their way to another Stagg Bowl game.  Thanks for occasionally contributing to our board - much appreciated.  I think I speak for our colleagues here (if I may) that it is always great to have posters from other boards from time to time.  Besides, we are woefully behind your OAC board and need all the help we can get, although our guys do a nice and fun job of posting IMO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 13, 2009, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 13, 2009, 05:14:13 PM
Raider 68:

I agree with BOYA87 - that is a great question.  However, it is, obviously, also a tough one to answer.  It always is at this time in the MIAA race because we've always seemed to have it "come down to the wire" in recent years.

Right now, I'd have to agree with BOYA87's list rank in answer to your question, with the exception that I think either Hope or Alma could be interchangable in the order he listed.  I see Trine as the favorite, but Adrian could be a surprise team in there as well.

As far as the eventual playoff situation for our MIAA AQ, as you know, we've been frustrated in not having one of our MIAA teams make it past the first round since Albion's 1994 National Championship win in the Stagg Bowl.  I think that either Trine or Adrian, should they win the MIAA title, would have a good chance of breaking that streak this year, although, for sure, that depends on who they would be paired with.  If they were to get a team that is not quite the calibur i.e. powerhouse that Mount Union and/or Wheaton are this year, then I think they would have a good chance, no disrespect to any of the other teams that would be in our region for the first round.

Indeed, it will be interesting to see what plays out.  I'm sure that your Mount Union will be on their way to another Stagg Bowl game.  Thanks for occasionally contributing to our board - much appreciated.  I think I speak for our colleagues here (if I may) that it is always great to have posters from other boards from time to time.  Besides, we are woefully behind your OAC board and need all the help we can get, although our guys do a nice and fun job of posting IMO.

Former3db,

Thanks for your informative and kind thoughts. While as an alum and former
player at Mount Union, I have ties to " The state up North" as Woody used to say. Having lived in Michigan for three years in Portage and followed MSU a little, Our son played soccer for Portage Central which was (maybe still is) a premier program. We liked Michigan and on top of that, I am also a Central Michigan graduate( MBA). I also worked with the head of enginnering for a former employer who had two children graduate from Hope.

Based upon our good experience there, I hope that the MIAA does well
and thus my inquiries. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 13, 2009, 10:34:55 PM
Formerd3,

I agree that Alma and Hope are interchangeable in this case.  I actually had Alma ahead of hope but after seeing how they performed against Trine this weekend I think Hope has a better chance to compete in the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2009, 10:44:58 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 13, 2009, 10:34:55 PM
Formerd3,

I agree that Alma and Hope are interchangeable in this case.  I actually had Alma ahead of hope but after seeing how they performed against Trine this weekend I think Hope has a better chance to compete in the MIAA.

Agreed.  In fact, I expect Hope to win out, with the possible exception of when they host Adrian - I'm not ready to commit on that game yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 15, 2009, 04:36:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2009, 10:44:58 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 13, 2009, 10:34:55 PM
Formerd3,

I agree that Alma and Hope are interchangeable in this case.  I actually had Alma ahead of hope but after seeing how they performed against Trine this weekend I think Hope has a better chance to compete in the MIAA.

Agreed.  In fact, I expect Hope to win out, with the possible exception of when they host Adrian - I'm not ready to commit on that game yet.

IMO, the bye week couldn't come at a better time for Hope.  It gives them an extra week to figure out Adrian and come up with a solid game plan.  I dont think Adrian is a good as the teams Hope played in their non-conference schedule so I think the edge has to go to Hope.  And if Hope does win, it creates a possible three way tie for the championship
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 15, 2009, 08:03:03 PM
Having seen Alma when they hosted both IWU and Trine, I'd place them about 4th or 5th in the MIAA.  The two Alma wins so far this year are against some pretty weak teams.  They did play UW-River Falls tough, but RF is at the bottom of their conference, albeit one of the toughest in the country.  I've been watching the Scots for a few years now, and haven't ever seen them dominated at home like they have been this year.  Their offense is one-dimensional (more than usual), and their defense looks weaker than in years past.  McGrady looks pretty good, though.  Too bad it's his senior year.  With some younger players in key positions this year gaining experience, next year might have promise.  But the Scot-gun relies so heavily on the QB, and who will fill McGrady's shoes next year?  Looks like a lot of uncertainty.  We'll know more  about this year when Alma plays Kalamazoo.  These teams look similar in many ways.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 15, 2009, 09:56:54 PM
Very interesting match up with Kzoo and Alma facing off this weekend.  Alma is tough against the pass and Kzoo is ranked as the second highest pass offense in the nation.  Kzoo gives up over 400 total yards of defense a game.  My uneducated guess would say we are lookin at a 100+ point game between the two this weekend.  Should be a heck of an offensive explosion
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 16, 2009, 09:33:16 AM
haha knowing diezel personally this is a VERY uneducated guess, haha.

But I cant wait to see the box score of that Alma vs Kzoo game.  Maybe it wont be as high scoring as this region has had crapy weather for the last 2 weeks, but should still be an exciting matchup.

UPSET ALERT!

3 years ago a winless Tri-State team went into an undefeated Olivet team to get their first win in 18 games (I think that was the number) ruining their chances for a conference title.  Dont think that Olivet has forgoten this.  Now the tables have turned with Trine undefeated in the conference and Olivet searching for any sign of hope.  I think this Trine team is too disciplined to let a game like this slip, but it is something to think about going into Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 16, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
BOYA87 - I would never have expected a comment like that from you!!  Where is your loyalty???   ;D

Trine cannot take Olivet (or any team) lightly, that's for sure.  In MIAA it's always "any given Saturday...".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 16, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
Oh trust me, I am simply pointing out a fact that these two teams are already very aware off.  I just thought I would share it with the board some of which may not remember this game.  I dont think Trine will let this one slip by, but it is definitely something the teams have talked about. 

I cant wait to get back to Angola and catch some Thuder football!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 16, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 16, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
Oh trust me, I am simply pointing out a fact that these two teams are already very aware off.  I just thought I would share it with the board some of which may not remember this game.  I dont think Trine will let this one slip by, but it is definitely something the teams have talked about. 

I cant wait to get back to Angola and catch some Thuder football!


HAHA!!!! And I'm that uneducated??? Atleast I can spell THUNDER!!!  But, I too think the coaches at Olivet haven't forgotten about that game and neither have the coaches at Trine.  I don't think you can compare the talent of the two teams  from then and now though. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 17, 2009, 10:01:17 AM
My last minute picks of the week:

Adrain 35 - Albion 10

Kzoo 42 - Alma 38

Trine 31 - Olivet 7

Adrain and Trine should stay on track for the showdown in Angola the last week of the year, (I hope).  And I expect the Kzoo - Alma game to come down to who ever has the ball last in a game that will probably feature the most passing yards by any two teams this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 18, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
Although Trine won big over Olivet, 42-17, Olivet outplayed Trine for 40 minutes of that game.  The first quarter was what you would expect from the Trine team, scoring on their first three drives with a very balanced offense.  The score was 21-0 after one, but it could have been worse as a long touchdown pass was called back due to a holding call.

After that, Olivet flat outplayed the Thunder, holding a 17-14 scoreing edge over the next 35 minutes of the game.  Trine uncharacteristically missed tackles, committed stupid penalties and made mental errors. Finally, the Defence made a big play with about 5 minutes to go in the game to deny Olivet a score in the red zone, and seemed to light a fire under the team, who returned to their typical play and finished the game strong with a touchdown in the final two minutes.  I dont know if they got lulled to sleep by a big early lead, or if it was one of those games where you just dont have it.  Either way, Trine cant afford to have a full 60 minutes like that or they will give a game away.

Elsewhere around the league, the Alma-Kzoo game featured over 950 yards of offense. I bet it was an exciting game to watch.  it sounds like Almas 200+ yards on the ground was the difference maker.

Congrats to the Brittons on knocking off Adrian.  Sounded like a thrilling finish with Albion scoring the go ahead touchdown with less than two minutes remaining.  For anyone who was there, I would like to know how that game went down.  Did Albion take it to Adrian, or did Adrian let one slip away?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 18, 2009, 06:43:55 PM
56

I would say neither team took it to the other.
Defenses played well on both sides.
Each team missed 2 FG's
Early I would say Adrian was moving the ball in the in-between the 20's but failed to capitalize on thier opportunities and 4 Interceptions. Adrian had field position early with the turnovers. Adrain went in with a lead at Halftime after a nice TD run and a FG.
The second half of the game Albion scored on a pick 6. Brits defense has been strong this year.
A Adrian turnover gave the Brits good field position the Adrian defense held strong forcing a FG.
Adrian forced a turnnover deep in Albion territory the Brits defense held again forcing a FG.
The 4th quarter Albion's run game, screens, and swing passes in the flats moved the ball.
Late in the 4th Albion drove 60 + yards completing on 2, 4 downs.
The first at the Bulldogs 35 or so on a QB sneak.
The Bulldogs then stiffend again forcing another 4th and 3 for Albion. with less than 2 minutes on the clock.
Albion called a naked bootleg, and QB had the option to run or throw, QB swung wide and was running for a close call with the game on the line DB came up to challenge QB, Albion TE came free on a crossing pattern after a "chip Block" on DE.
QB hit TE at about the 25 and he took it in unchallenged.

Adrian drove furiously down the field with quick sideline passes, and smart routes to step out of bounds. Adrian drove to the Brits 25-30 or so, the wind was blowing straight on so Adrian tried to pick up a few more yards with 38 seconds left on the clock. Albion DB who had made the interception for a TD earlier made a diving interception on a pass in the middle of the field at the 3 or 4 yardline.
Albion took a knee a few times forcing Adrian to use their timeouts and the clock ran out.

Intense game, numerous turnovers and hard hitting game.

I felt both defenses played very well, while both offenses moved the ball in the middle of the field but struggled to capitalize on turnovers or in the RED ZONE with misses FG's.

Big Game for Adrian next week at Hope, the Dogs need the win to keep in the running for the league title, and a end of year showdown with Trine.

Albion interestingly enough needs the Dogs to win this weekend as well, after a close loss to Hope the Brits are "hoping" for a Adrian win,

Things are heating up in the MIAA every game is critical and there is no freebies out there right now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2009, 07:39:17 PM
Well, we (Hope) have a "bye" weekend, I go away for the same, and, "wow"... the situation changes "just like that"!  A surprising loss by Adrian, although, in reality, it really isn't, or at least shouldn't be a surprise.  I say that because we all know that the MIAA race in this decade of the 2000's, almost always turns into a "free for all" near the end such that four teams usually have a shot at it.

On paper and in review of the last six weeks, as has been mentioned, Hope "should" be more than good enough to win the game against Adrian.  Yet, that will not be "a given" nor will it be an easy task.  Hope better bring their "A" game because Adrian will be in full steam for a tough game and especially since they lost to a not so great Albion team.  As all of you have mentioned, no MIAA team that is in the race for the title at this point can afford to take any game lightly.  One loss and their officially done so to speak.  Another aspect that I think could certainly lurk in the background - is it possible that our eventual MIAA champion (such as Hope or Alma or even Albion just to cite examples) in representing our league in the NCAA playoffs could have an overall losing record or at the very least be 5-5?  Although less likely to happen, that would be a very strange (actually weird) situation if it did occur - perhaps even a first for all of Div III.

Anyway, as has already been noted by several of you, this Saturday will obviously sort this race out even more.  Your picks this week will be interesting.  I'll post mine later this week.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 20, 2009, 03:05:20 PM
its amazing how just like that, the conference can get turned on its head.  Trine now has control of the league which is dangerous because now the target on their back is bigger than ever!  A lot of these teams (Albion, Adrian, Hope) NEED Trine to lose a game and luckily 2 of those teams are going to have a shot to do it themselves (Albion and Adrian). 

I think it becomes more important now than ever for teams to focus on one team at a time and to only focus on the things they can control (winning their own games) and not worry about the things they cant control (who is beating who in the conference).

I hope I get to make it up to Trine to finally see this Kzoo team in action but im still not sure if I will be able to make it there.  If I dont make it....GO THUNDER!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 20, 2009, 09:07:05 PM
formerd3db:

Thinking of making the trip up to Holland this week to see the game.  Depending on if I have some ride alongs with me or not will be the key, but i figured if give a heads up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 21, 2009, 11:23:04 AM
Your special teams tips of the week............play to the whistle and don't catch field goals if you don't have to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS1vkS_bv-c  you can quit watching at 2 min


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1JpJ53FbXg&feature=player_embedded   you can  also quit watching at 2 min
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 21, 2009, 06:20:30 PM
ADAWG:

Indeed, let me know if you are going to be able to make the trip.  I am only going to be able to cover the first half of the game because my brother is being inducted as an individual into our high school athletic Hall of Fame that evening (he is already in his college athletic Hall of Fame as a team member) and I have to be over in Flint by 6:00 PM.  That is one crazy (perhaps "insane") drive having to first go over to Holland, then back and then on to Flint, all within a 7 hour time frame ::) :P, but I'm up to the task and have done even longer (worse ???) trips in a similar fashion!  Thus, I'll have to leave by halftime, by 3:00 PM at the latest, although the first half should be done by then.  Anyway, if you end up coming to the game, I'll make sure I get there early enough (i.e. earlier than usual) so that we can have a chance to visit for a few minutes before the actual start.  Again, just let me know and we can discuss more details later.

BTW, what is your prediction for the game?  Not to put you (or me ;D) on the spot, but just curious.  In all honesty, while I obviously hope that we(HOPE) win the game, it will be a tough one and it could possibly go either way.  It all depends on who wants it the most/who is fired up the most, who obviously makes the least mistakes and just plain whoever plays with "controlled, reckless abandon" to borrow the phrase made famous by my former coach at Hope! :D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 21, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
formerd3db:

Ill post my prediction tomorrow, I have tried twice now and somehow accidentally backpaged deleting it both times and am getting a bit frustrated with my keyboard at the moment so I think I'm going to call it a night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 22, 2009, 12:26:13 PM
Here are my picks of the week.

Trine 42 - Kzoo 24.  Trine returns to form with a good game against the high powered Kzoo passing attack.

Alma 35 - Olivet 14.  Alma will jump to an early lead and coasts to the finish.

Adrian 31 - Hope 30.  By far the best match up of the week.  Could go either way, but I see Adrian winning a close one.

Albion 21 - Marion 14.  Dont know much about Marion, so its a flat out guess on this one.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 22, 2009, 03:34:48 PM
I was sorting through some stats and came across some evidence that points to Trine and Kalamazoo racking up some huge numbers this Saturday.

Kalamazoo D has two of the worst defensive performances of the year nationally, giving up the 72nd and 6th highest offensive outputs of the year.  Trine on the other hand has two of the top 130 offensive games in the country (130 and 107)

Luczak has posted 5 of the top 33 individual passing performances, including 7th and 8th, while leading the number 3 passing O in the nation.  Trine is 220th in the country in pass defense.

Trine has the 23rd best rushing attack, while Kzoo gives up over 180 yards per game.  Expect that number to go up, because Kzoo has only faced 2 teams in the top 100 teams in total rushing. The highest being 73rd ranked Manchester.


The only thing that gives me hope that Trines secondary wont get torched, is that they held McGrady (who has the highest single game passing total in the nation) to his second lowest passing total of the year, 215 yards. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2009, 03:51:33 PM
My picks are similar to BAW's, however, with one (obvious) exception :D:

Olivet @ Alma - Alma

Adrian @ Hope - Hope   (in a close one)

Marian (Ind) @ Albion - Albion

Kalamazoo @ Trine - Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 22, 2009, 07:55:55 PM
My picks for the weekend.

Alma over Olivet - Olivet can not score enough to keep up.

Trine all over Kazoo - Kazoo defense can not slow down teams, trine puts up points.

Albion over Marian - Home game for the Brits and they are rounding into shape offensively. Better ball security limit turnovers and win the game.

Big Game of the Weekend 2nd week in a row for Adrian
I will take Adrian over Hope in a war. 
For 2 reasons:
1) last week Adrain lost a heartbreaker
2) The Brits need Hope to have 2 losses if they are to have a shot at the league  ;D

Sorry  D3DB I typically am a Hope fan except this week,  the Brits need some help.

Looks like cold rain this weekend turnovers will play a deciding factor.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2009, 11:32:36 PM
D306:

That's okay.  Totally understand :).  In reality, I can't ever pick against my own team either, although when Hope is out of the picture i.e. when one of our MIAA teams represents our league in the playoffs, I always pull for them as I'm sure all of our MIAA colleagues do the same in that same type of situation.

As you mention, it looks like cold and rain is on the weather forecast/radar for this weekend.  Although I love college football and our MIAA, I am not looking forward to being out in that type of weather for the remaining games of the season.  That is the only thing I don't like about this time of year i.e. regarding the latter 1/3 of the football season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 22, 2009, 11:45:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 22, 2009, 11:32:36 PM
D306:

That's okay.  Totally understand :).  In reality, I can't ever pick against my own team either, although when Hope is out of the picture i.e. when one of our MIAA teams represents our league in the playoffs, I always pull for them as I'm sure all of our MIAA colleagues do the same in that same type of situation.

As you mention, it looks like cold and rain is on the weather forecast/radar for this weekend.  Although I love college football and our MIAA, I am not looking forward to being out in that type of weather for the remaining games of the season.  That is the only thing I don't like about this time of year i.e. regarding the latter 1/3 of the football season.


Chin up, soldier!

Especially after this mostly crappy October, we are due SOME good weather in November.  I can recall at least two Michigan Novembers where I have gotten sunburned canoeing!  Mother Nature, we deserve some good stuff! :D

[Though, I confess, since I've got the flu (and possibly pneumonia), I've surrendered and winterized the RV. :(]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 23, 2009, 06:14:24 AM
The last couple posts bring up a question I never understood.

Why do some people just LOVE to watch other teams in their league lose or get caught in a bad situaction?

I for one, support all MIAA schools, except when they play Albion.
I also support certain schools outside of the MIAA, teams that I have no association with at all. IE: Wheaton, programs I consider "clean" Academically, faith based / family based schools.

Have you every thought why you choose to support or dislike teams in particular?

For example I know numerous Ohio State Fans, they flat out "pray" for UofM to lose all the games, get excited if there is "bad" news about a UofM player. Typically are flat our rude if your go to the "shoe" to watch a game as a Michigan fan.

I look at it this way, I want every team in the league to win all their games except the games that my team is playing them or needs some help to win league.
Every win a opponent has makes my teams wins look that much stronger. A strong league also makes the league more interesting.

Ypsi

Yes it was a quick end to the "camping / hiking" season except for the diehards.
my gang that camp or hike with us usually have called it a season already.
I just "dress for the mess" and take the dogs and struggle through, I feel it clears the soul and relax's my mind to sweat a little and feel the sting of the cold/wet on my face.  Haved to admit slowing down a little, age, and knees are not what they used to be.

Soupy died there goes part of our and our kids childhood  :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2009, 02:58:04 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
You made a smart move re: the RV!  Anyway, hope you are doing well.  Thanks for coordinating the weekly picks.

D306:

Regarding your prospective question:  I think it just happens and is human nature for that at times.  While we all know that the nicer and "higher road" is to wish the best for the others, exceptions accepted for current opponents of one's team for that particular day, there are circumstances from time to time that occur to incite those rather less than admirable thoughts and feelings.  Sometimes, and unfortunately, it is arrogance and downright nastiness projected against one teams fans and players against the others and that includes coaches and administrators "looking the other way" in allowing that to go on, although for sure, I would dare say that 99.9% of those in the latter two job/position categories do not condone such behavior if they know it is occurring.  Of course, this untoward behavior of one teams fans and even players has occurred at all levels of college football, yet, it is sad to say I've seen it happen in our own MIAA.

In fact, just last week during the week of the Michigan/Michigan State game, I was rather appalled to hear some of the players (particularly Michigan State players) who were interviewed on TV by the various stations and reporters actually say they "hated Michigan, its players, etc."  While some might interpret this as "just part of the rhetoric of the game and rivalry", to me, it personally seemed quite genuine.   My own theory is that this is what some of these young players have had "ingrained" in their thought process over the years and as they've come up through the system and into these respective rivalries.  And that is very sad and just shows to what lows many aspects in our society have sunken to.  This is obviously not to say that everyone employs such behavior because we all know that is not true.  Nonetheless, it is much more prevelent than should be or anyone likes to see; good natured and intense rivalry notwithstanding, which there is obviously nothing wrong with the latter. 

I am guilty at times in past years of not having had much "well-wishes" for some other teams in our league both as a player and now after for various reasons (and I won't go into that here as it is not necessary).  However, that being said, I will say that I would never take it to the level of "hating someone" like the Michigan State players stated (and again, I don't think they were joking - if they were, their demeanor failed to disclose that - and if they do truly believe that, it is without question "over the line" and unacceptable).  Even in those times I've had some dislike for behavior or tone towards me/our team by opponents in the past, still I like to think that I try to "take the high road" most of the time (certainly do not take it to the level of "hate") and, yet, as I said, will always root for our MIAA representative in the playoffs, regardless of which team that might be.  Just my general thoughts on this since you brought up the question for discussion. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 23, 2009, 04:35:15 PM
It has been my long held opinion that any institution that is teaching its students or student athletes to hate another school and its students, players, fans etc .........are failing as educators.    Respect for another school is not something I hear enough about these days.


I also think that when someone says ' I hate such and such school' what they really mean is 'I hate losing to such and such a school'..........however there are indeed people who have lost all perspective on sports and do have deep seeded hatred for another institution.......and well these people are just lost souls and beyond help and are best ignored.




I'll pass on this experience I had at the Michigan/Michigan State game a few weeks ago............on my walk to the stadium the Michigan State women's basketball team passed by and all 18 or 20 of their entourage was pointing out anyone wearing Michigan gear and 'booing' at them as they walked past.

Part of me laughed and in fact I joined in on the fun and pointed back at them and 'boo'd'........I also laughed because there's something funny about seeing 6-8 Allyssa Dehaan towering over everyone.

But apart of me wondered what exactly the NCAA would think of this from a sportsmanship perspective, this was one its athletic teams with coaches present, not showing good sportsmanship.  I wondered if I'd ever see something like that at D3......my conclusion was no, and that if it did happen it would be squelched immediately.

Its just a different world 'up' there (or down depending on your perspective).


Quote from: D306 on October 23, 2009, 06:14:24 AM

For example I know numerous Ohio State Fans, they flat out "pray" for UofM to lose all the games, get excited if there is "bad" news about a UofM player. Typically are flat our rude if your go to the "shoe" to watch a game as a Michigan fan.

Every school at that level has fans like that..........f'instance the largest cheers at Michigan Stadium this past Saturday was the announced scores of Purdue leading Ohio State and thats pretty typical.  ND, MSU and OSU all get that kind of treatment.

I'm quite sure there were people there that were much happier OSU lost than that Michigan won.  Its crazy and I don't get it...........I should point out I was getting frequent text messages from my Columbus captive brother with score updates, and yeah they made me smile. ;)

(while we're on the subject of things we hate, I hate the term 'Big House', but if Keith Jackson says it, you go with it)...........




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 23, 2009, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: sac on October 23, 2009, 04:35:15 PM
It has been my long held opinion that any institution that is teaching its students or student athletes to hate another school and its students, players, fans etc .........are failing as educators.    Respect for another school is not something I hear enough about these days.


I also think that when someone says ' I hate such and such school' what they really mean is 'I hate losing to such and such a school'..........however there are indeed people who have lost all perspective on sports and do have deep seeded hatred for another institution.......and well these people are just lost souls and beyond help and are best ignored.




I'll pass on this experience I had at the Michigan/Michigan State game a few weeks ago............on my walk to the stadium the Michigan State women's basketball team passed by and all 18 or 20 of their entourage was pointing out anyone wearing Michigan gear and 'booing' at them as they walked past.

Part of me laughed and in fact I joined in on the fun and pointed back at them and 'boo'd'........I also laughed because there's something funny about seeing 6-8 Allyssa Dehaan towering over everyone.

But apart of me wondered what exactly the NCAA would think of this from a sportsmanship perspective, this was one its athletic teams with coaches present, not showing good sportsmanship.  I wondered if I'd ever see something like that at D3......my conclusion was no, and that if it did happen it would be squelched immediately.

Its just a different world 'up' there (or down depending on your perspective).


Quote from: D306 on October 23, 2009, 06:14:24 AM

For example I know numerous Ohio State Fans, they flat out "pray" for UofM to lose all the games, get excited if there is "bad" news about a UofM player. Typically are flat our rude if your go to the "shoe" to watch a game as a Michigan fan.

Every school at that level has fans like that..........f'instance the largest cheers at Michigan Stadium this past Saturday was the announced scores of Purdue leading Ohio State and thats pretty typical.  ND, MSU and OSU all get that kind of treatment.

I'm quite sure there were people there that were much happier OSU lost than that Michigan won.  Its crazy and I don't get it...........I should point out I was getting frequent text messages from my Columbus captive brother with score updates, and yeah they made me smile. ;)

(while we're on the subject of things we hate, I hate the term 'Big House', but if Keith Jackson says it, you go with it)...........






Sac,

Great post!

Here in Ohio, many of the same things happen. A cheer goes up when a Michigan (losing) score is announced, not so much with MSU though.

I have heard some (count on my one hand) boo's at a D3 game, and the D3 people across the board do not tolerate it without a shame on you response. College sports (football) far exceeds the true spirit of the game unlike what is played on Sundays, but often the big D1 programs lose sight of that fact.

The question is have the BCS, the bowls  turned the 120 D1 programs into big businesses that have lost the 'old" college fall weekends persona across the campuses?

I for one think yes, until  there are playoffs like D3, a mindset paradigm shift. The true supporters/ followers look the colleges and universities for what they were established for decades ago: education of our young people.

So, while everyone has their favorites and are alums for a school or the ones up north, let's support all of them in a way that ensures good sportsmanship and respect.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 23, 2009, 05:30:21 PM
The 'hatred' (hopefully, the quotation marks are usually appropriate!) is perhaps excusable for the students themselves (I remember feeling that way about arch-rival Millikin when I was at IWU), but is truly pathetic among mature alums (though many of the worst offenders never attended the school they 'support').  It very much surprised me how delighted I was when Millikin won the women's bball title a few years ago. ;)

When the Monon Bell approaches, things can get pretty hot and heavy, but ultimately seems mostly in good fun.  (The NCAC football board is so Wabash-centric that I think the [mostly well-accepted] regulars from DePauw may be the second most numerous group!)

With only a few exceptions, the Hope/Calvin barbs on the bball board seem the same way; an intense rivalry, but, deep-down (sometimes VERY deep-down ;)) a mutual respect.

Which is as it should be - if UM can ever remember how to beat OSU, I always found it much more satisfying to kick their butts if the Buckeyes were undefeated than if they had 3-4 losses! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 23, 2009, 08:22:07 PM
Great Thread folks

Thanks for the interesting comments.

I agree that it vaires from place to place and cetainly is more intense at D1.

Enjoy the games Saturday and stay dry folks.

There are several key match-ups through out all levels of Football in the midwest this week.


Good news the Lions have a bye week so they can not ruin our Sunday  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2009, 08:48:07 PM
I agree, colleagues, a very intriguing and substantive discussion.  I think everyone has summarized this well.

However, sac, I will say one thing.  You mention you haven't seen that at D3, well, I have and including, unfortunately, right in our own MIAA.  I will refrain from mentioning the exact schools and persons involved, only to say over the years it has been only on a few occasions, but it did/does happen and as recent as the last 3 years.  In fact, I witnessed this already during an MIAA this season.  It seems, as I have mentioned in my opinion that it has been more with this younger generation.  The bottom line is, as said, that most people say those things in jest, however, there are unfortunately a few misguided individuals who let reality get out of hand and do not (this includes players and yes, sad to say a few - very few - coaches).

In conclusion, I'm glad you have not witnessed this in D3, yet, not intending to throw negative thoughts your way, I just want you to be aware that, yes, it unfortunately happens even in our MIAA.  Rare, thankfully, but it does happen.  Anyway, enough said on this - I think we all agree on what is right and what is wrong and that we all want to encourage and promote the good sportsman(woman)ship that is expected from everyone, players and fans alike. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2009, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: D306 on October 23, 2009, 08:22:07 PM
Great Thread folks

Thanks for the interesting comments.

I agree that it vaires from place to place and cetainly is more intense at D1.

Enjoy the games Saturday and stay dry folks.

There are several key match-ups through out all levels of Football in the midwest this week.


Good news the Lions have a bye week so they can not ruin our Sunday  :)

D306:

Your last sentence is, indeed, good news to look forward to for a nice ending to our weekends, regardless of what happens on Saturday during the games! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 24, 2009, 04:45:30 PM
formerd3db:

I meant to go ahead and post a prediction for the game yesterday, but for some reason I never got around to it.  If I had it would have read much as todays game played out, both teams coming out with some great defense and the offense struggling which is often the case when Adrian travels to Holland Municipal Stadium.  Adrians defense was able to keep them in the game until they were able to get that score on the board in the 4th quarter, nice call with the 4th down play to get the TD.  Defense came up with a huge stop to force the Hope FG and then again to get a piece of the kick and preserve a 7-6 lead.  SOunds like it would have been a great game to be at, unfortunatley I couldnt get anyone to make the trip with me which nixed that plan.  Best of luck to Hope the rest of the way, they are in a rare 2 season dry spell at this point which is highly out of character.  All that being said it is nice to see Adrian get the win and stay alive, as long as they win out they will get their league championship whether it be by split or outright.

Anyone know much about Marian?  I wasnt anticipating an Albion loss, but I cant say why as I dont know to much about Marian.

Trine keeps rolling and Alma appears to take it to what looks this year to be a bad Olivet team.  Any insight from someone that was at the Adrian v Hope game or any of the others would be awesome for those of us that were home bound today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on October 24, 2009, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 23, 2009, 05:06:43 PM
Here in Ohio, many of the same things happen. A cheer goes up when a Michigan (losing) score is announced, not so much with MSU though.

I've never been to one myself, but I hear fans at OSU hockey games have an interesting tradition.  When the announcer says, "One minute remains in the period," the fans reply with, "And Michigan still sucks!"

I suppose these types of things could be construed as bad sportsmanship.  I'd like to think it's just friendly rivals having a little fun with each other.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 24, 2009, 07:57:56 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2F355%2Ffootball%2F09MudBowl355.jpg&hash=0ab9c7537d47fcf68e174f80e92a8841e5a6e28c)


I believe this photo is from today's Hope/Adrian game.......I think you can kind of get an idea why this was 7-6.

.......and no your eyes aren't deceiving you, Hope wore Purple jerseys for their "Purple game for Cancer research"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 24, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: sac on October 24, 2009, 07:57:56 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2F355%2Ffootball%2F09MudBowl355.jpg&hash=0ab9c7537d47fcf68e174f80e92a8841e5a6e28c)


I believe this photo is from today's Hope/Adrian game.......I think you can kind of get an idea why this was 7-6.

.......and no your eyes aren't deceiving you, Hope wore Purple jerseys for their "Purple game for Cancer research"

sac,

How many teams play on this field and how often, this is unbelievable?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 24, 2009, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 24, 2009, 09:16:04 PM

How many teams play on this field and how often, this is unbelievable?

Hope shares Holland Municipal Stadium with Holland High School, I don't think there was a game there last night though.........it rained all day Friday in most of Michigan  and through most of the early afternoon, so I'm sure the field was saturated.    I don't think the field was a problem for last weeks game.......but then I wasn't there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 25, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
yes  holland high  did not lay on it friday  just thuresday  the jv  played for holland no more home games for holland the field was really bad  i thought they were talken to putting  a different kind of turf
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 25, 2009, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: hope1 on October 25, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
yes  holland high  did not lay on it friday  just thuresday  the jv  played for holland no more home games for holland the field was really bad  i thought they were talken to putting  a different kind of turf

Hope1, Former3db,

When Mount replaced the grass field with Astro-Play (new style turf),
it cost aprox. $800K and that was at least 6-7 ago. Maybe Hope has
enough Alums to cover the cost to replace it. The Mount Field was/is used
by Alliance High School and now the MUC soccer teams use the field
after the new turf was installed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 25, 2009, 12:30:27 PM
Rumor mill has Hope having donors lined up to build a stadium and lay turf.  They just finished building a 3000 seat turf soccer stadium, I know the turf salesman on that one.  Apparently the hang up is having a contract with the city for the municipal stadium.  Just what I hear, but sounds very credible.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2009, 06:04:59 PM
DAWG:

Sorry you couldn't make it to the game yesterday.  As I mentioned, I was only able to stay for the first half as I had to drive from Holland all the way to Flint to attend my high school's Athletic Hall of Fame annual dinner in which my my brother was being inducted as an individual.  So it was a crazy and long day/evening for me.  Anyway, I thought the game was a pretty good one, despite the field conditions.  I expected Hope might pull it out and was listening to the second half on the radio on the drive back, however, lost the station out of range with about 6 minutes left to go in the game.  Give your Adrian team credit for not giving up.

Unfortunately, it is the same old story for Hope.  They just seem to come up short.  It is another lesson that if you get inside the red zone, you must score a TD rather than settle for FG's.  On both of Hope's first two FG's, they should have scored TD's and missed their opportunities to do so with "1st and goal to go".  The third FG attempt was the "nail" as it was blocked as you know.

Adrian still has a good chance - I see it coming down to them and Trine, although after seeing Trine play, I have to give them the preliminary edge.

Alma killed a very poor Olivet team.  The score was not indicative of how the game went.  I talked with an Alma source at the HOF dinner for my brother and he related with the score up 45-3 I believe, that Alma started playing their reserves and Olivet scored their TD's.  With Olivet having a team mainly of underclassmen (frosh and sophs as it is my understanding), hopefully they be able to build on that.  I was told that their lineman are much smaller than the "behmoths" they've had the luxury of in their recent "win streak years".  I will be able to provide a better assessment of their team next weekend as I'll be at the Hope/Olivet game at "The Big O's" place.  I'm sure OC_SID can provide us with his take on yesterday's game.

It sounds like Kazoo gave an intial tough first half to Trine, but the latter then obviously pulled away.  While anything can happen as we all know with 3 weeks left in the season, Trine is currently in the "driver's seat".

Regarding the discussion on Holland 's stadium; indeed, the field conditions were horrible yesterday, almost to the point of being unsafe.  We have the same problem we had way back in my time there at the old Riverview Park stadium.  That was the underlying reason why Holland stadium was to be built, since the college's football and occasionally the soccer team played games there as did Holland High School for both varsity and J.V. games (Hope's J.V. football games as well).  However, there was a glitch back then which prevented the artificial turf from being part of the original construction (for a variety of reasons which I will not go into here and thus spare all of you!) and the field has had these condition and drainage problems ever since.

As has been mentioned, the City of Holland and Hope College have been in some discussions the past two years regarding the possibility of some type of change in arrangements, either the college buying the stadium with some land swaps, etc. as well as putting in the new synthetic turf.  Yet, there have been some roadblocks with that, some of which I'm told from some sources is rent concerns (i.e. Holland Christian High which rented the wonderful DeVos from Hope for it's home basketball games is going to use the old Holland Civic Center because of the rent issues).

Overall, whoever ends up having the stadium whether Holland retains it or Hope obtains it, they really need to quit the delay and put the new synthetic turf in for many reasons, all of which we all know and have discussed, the safety issue notwithstanding (heck, even Zeeland's newer high school stadium as well as Holland Christian H.S. stadium has it).  In addition, while the stadium itself might need a few minor upgrades, it certainly wouldn't need a major overhaul like some small colleges have to do when they've installed the new turf and that would certainly decrease the cost.  Putting in the turf would be about 1/2 million (it wouldn't necessarily cost the $800, 000).  While Hope certainly could get donars to cover this cost (as well as some fundraising), it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to do that unless Hope owns the stadium.

This situation needs to be resolved IMO, if not for the safety issues alone regarding the field conditions.  While for many people (i.e. the purists ;D and some of "oldsters"), it is great to have the football game being played on natural turf as it was from the "beginning", in reality the times have changed.  It is nice in the first part of the season when the weather is wonderful, but at this time of the year, it becomes a quagmire and nightmare; also not to forget to mention the tremendous improvement in the synthetic turf itself in recent years.    Not sure how the situation in Holland will go; obviously, time will tell, but something should be done.

P.S.  Yes, the purple jerseys worn by Hope yesterday was a strange sight (orange and purple not my favorite combo ;D ::) :D), however, it was for a very good cause as has been mentioned i.e. cancer research with all the profits from the $ being raised for those jerseys going to the VanAdal Cancer Research Center.  A class act yesteday by Coach Kreps and his staff/team and the college and all those who helped in doing that event.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on October 25, 2009, 07:32:37 PM
I wasn't at the game yesterday ... Had a home women's soccer game, so I had to be around for that game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2009, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on October 25, 2009, 07:32:37 PM
I wasn't at the game yesterday ... Had a home women's soccer game, so I had to be around for that game.

Okay!  Then I'll get the "run down" from you this Saturday when I we visit at your Olivet for the Hope/Olivet game! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2009, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 25, 2009, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: hope1 on October 25, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
yes  holland high  did not lay on it friday  just thuresday  the jv  played for holland no more home games for holland the field was really bad  i thought they were talken to putting  a different kind of turf

Hope1, Former3db,

When Mount replaced the grass field with Astro-Play (new style turf),
it cost aprox. $800K and that was at least 6-7 ago. Maybe Hope has
enough Alums to cover the cost to replace it. The Mount Field was/is used
by Alliance High School and now the MUC soccer teams use the field
after the new turf was installed.

Raider68:

Thanks for the info re: MUC's turf.  While that would have solved a lot of the problems at Hope, obviously, that won't happen now since soccer has it's own stadium.  Certainly for them, it works out nice since both the college men's and women's soccer teams will play there, which happens at the same time the home football games are taking place.  In once sense, that is an advantage.

Also, the lacrosse teams will play there in the spring.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2009, 09:13:15 PM
Alright, you Trine people.  We haven't heard from you yet re: yesterday's game.  Also, the Alma posters have been rather quiet on our board this year.  We also haven't heard much from any Kazoo and Olivet (other than OC_SID) posters.  Where are you stinger, rome, miaafan, etc., - what goes you guys? ???   We need to post like ...mad...to get the page # up!  I think we've had more activity here on our board this year than in past years, although we've also had some help from friends like Mr. Ypsi, Raider68, etc. (Ypsi being a regular here essentially, even though he is one of those CCIW alumns but has Michigan/EMU roots :D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2009, 09:30:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 25, 2009, 09:13:15 PM
Ypsi being a regular here essentially, even though he is one of those CCIW alumns but has Michigan/EMU roots :D.

What is this libel about my EMU roots?! :P

After losing to 0-7 BSU, I think they've gone about as low as they can go.  I'm still hopeful that Ron English is the man to turn it around, but if he can't do it in 3-4 years, I have no clue what to do.  A handful of their programs are legitimate MAC/D1 programs, but not many.  I'd suggest D2 GLIAC, but right now even with their D1 recruits I suspect Grand Valley would blow them out - once they only had D2 recruits they might rapidly fall to the basement.  I suspect the MIAA would not be very welcoming. ;D

I really lean towards cutting their losses, putting the money into other programs, and just dropping football.  Being so TOTALLY overshadowed by the 'Big House' (just 7 miles away), they are NEVER going to be (consistently) even decent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2009, 11:14:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2009, 09:30:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 25, 2009, 09:13:15 PM
Ypsi being a regular here essentially, even though he is one of those CCIW alumns but has Michigan/EMU roots :D.

What is this libel about my EMU roots?! :P

After losing to 0-7 BSU, I think they've gone about as low as they can go.  I'm still hopeful that Ron English is the man to turn it around, but if he can't do it in 3-4 years, I have no clue what to do.  A handful of their programs are legitimate MAC/D1 programs, but not many.  I'd suggest D2 GLIAC, but right now even with their D1 recruits I suspect Grand Valley would blow them out - once they only had D2 recruits they might rapidly fall to the basement.  I suspect the MIAA would not be very welcoming. ;D

I really lean towards cutting their losses, putting the money into other programs, and just dropping football.  Being so TOTALLY overshadowed by the 'Big House' (just 7 miles away), they are NEVER going to be (consistently) even decent.

Mr. Ypsi:

Oops!  My apologies and please allow me to clarify that i.e. ..."your EMU former connections"!! ;D :-X ;)

Wow, I am shocked that they lost to BSU and have to agree with you - that is bad, not good, etc.  I also agree you that they need to give Ron English a legit chance to turn it around.  You pose some interesting and difficult thoughts about what their future vision should be.  I am not in favor of them dropping football - they've too much a history of having the program.  While putting the $ into their other sports is a legit option as you mention, on the other hand, those programs are not always consistent and have difficulty competing in their respective leagues/annual schedules.  For sure, the MIAA would never be an option for EMU - they would never return to those roots nor would the MIAA accept them IMO - I think that's obvious.  Yet, I don't see the GLIAC as being the option either.  Grand Valley's best teams would probably have beaten EMU and/or given them a good tough game, however, even as bad as EMU is this year, GVSU is not that great either in comparing the latter to their recent championship teams and thus I think EMU would still beat them.  Dropping to DII would be a huge embarrassment for EMU and especially in comparison with their state counterparts CMU and WMU.  The latter team is not that great and overall, while some of the MAC teams as you say compete with and beat some of the higher tier DI teams on occasion (CMU having "beefed" up their non-conf schedule the past decade and, of course, beating MSU this year), in reality, even those better MAC teams will never be at the level of most of the DI teams.  They are more on par with Army and the top FCS teams (formerly DIAA).  So, IMO, I see EMU's only option is to "stay the course" i.e. at least the FCS option in the "worst case" scenario (i.e. barring dropping of the program).  Hey, Michigan Tech wanted to delete their program about 5 years ago and proved they can be competitive as did Northwestern in the Big Ten and Olivet in our league.  For sure none of those teams will ever be powers but they will be competitive enough to compete and I think EMU in the long run will be able to do that.  I know you probably don't think so and, of course, have very legit and knowledgable reasons as to why not, but...again, IMO, dropping the program is not the answer nor best.  I hope they do not go to the "Swarthemore and more recently Colorado College" debacles.  Shameful. ;D ::) :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 26, 2009, 08:38:59 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 25, 2009, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 25, 2009, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: hope1 on October 25, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
yes  holland high  did not lay on it friday  just thuresday  the jv  played for holland no more home games for holland the field was really bad  i thought they were talken to putting  a different kind of turf

Hope1, Former3db,

When Mount replaced the grass field with Astro-Play (new style turf),
it cost aprox. $800K and that was at least 6-7 ago. Maybe Hope has
enough Alums to cover the cost to replace it. The Mount Field was/is used
by Alliance High School and now the MUC soccer teams use the field
after the new turf was installed.

Raider68:

Thanks for the info re: MUC's turf.  While that would have solved a lot of the problems at Hope, obviously, that won't happen now since soccer has it's own stadium.  Certainly for them, it works out nice since both the college men's and women's soccer teams will play there, which happens at the same time the home football games are taking place.  In once sense, that is an advantage.

Also, the lacrosse teams will play there in the spring.

Former3db,

So is Hope and the city of Holland working jointly on a new stadium, if so
who will control it, fund it and design it?

Also, as a new poster, how does the karma thing work? What causes it to
move up and down?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on October 26, 2009, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 26, 2009, 08:38:59 AM
Also, as a new poster, how does the karma thing work? What causes it to move up and down?

Karma is given and taken away by other posters.  I think you have to have 200 posts before you can do this, though.

When you say something insightful or witty, people tend to give you karma points.  When you say something un-insightful or appear to be trolling, people tend to take karma points from you.  It's totally up to the other members what is worth +/- karma and you have no way of knowing who gave or took karma points (unless they tell you). 

Think of it as a guide to tell you who is worth listening to and who you can ignore.   :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 26, 2009, 09:04:42 AM
formerd3db,

You asked for it.  Here is my take on Saturday's Trine v Kzoo game:  Trine outplayed Kzoo on O, D, and special teams.

Trine's O held a good lead in TOP, which in my opinion, was the biggest key to the game.  They racked up over 300 yards on the ground and had two backs with over 100 yards.  They only attempted 21 passes, so it was obvious what the game plan was against Kzoo's D.  Overall they looked solid with almost 500 total yards. They also set a couple of school records, with their third straight game of 40+ points and two backs with 100+ yards. One last note about the offense- the top two backs are both underclassmen, so watch out in the next couple years for more records to fall.

Trine's D had a bend but dont break mentality, giving up over 400 yards.  But they tightened down in inside the 40 only allowing 20 points to this  high powered offense.  They have been going with a smaller, more athletic, set of linebackers the last couple games and it looks like it has been working well for them.  They continue to get pressure from the D Line, and that allows the secondary to make plays.  They havent got many sacks, but have caused a lot of rushed throws.

The special teams finally had the game they were looking for.  Kick coverage looked better than it has all season.  It has been a glaring problem the last few games and it is good to see that fixed.  Other than that, the kicking game was solid as usual.

Luczak didnt start the game, and didnt come in until the second quarter.  does anyone know why?  was he injured, or suspended?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 26, 2009, 10:14:19 AM
Good activity on the board this weekend

I did not make the Albion Game this week, out of country and back all in a weekend can you say jet lag?

The overview of Albion game will be second hand info here.

Marian is has large lines, couple 6-5/6-7 tackles at 300+
They like the power run game, with fly routes when you put 8 or more in the box.

Albion sat 3 starters and limited play of another on defense.

Albion had opportunites early with a forced fumble inside the 30 came away with FG. The next drive an interception inside the 30 again leading to a tough drop in the endzone on 3rd down and a missed FG.
Why is it that missed opportunites always come back to huant you?

Marian hit a 50+ pass pattern on 3rd and 10 the next drive and proceeded to run the ball in on the subsequaint set of downs.

The remainader of the game was pretty even, with both teams moving the ball at points, Marian more effectively on the ground.
Albion had 2 costly turnovers inside their 20 in which Marian capitalized with TD's hence the comment about always coming back to haunt you.
Albion sat starting QB the 2nd half. Limited some play of others once the 1st of 2 deep in their own zone turnovers lead to a TD.

Cold wet day in Albion, though looking at the Hope pictures on board nothing like that field that is ugly!!!

All in all I think if Albion was healthy and had put a focus on the game, Marian still would have come away with a close win, Lineplay on both sides was impressive Marian LB flow to the ball, DB's were good size but not overly tight to ball or fast.  Defense started with the front 4 keeping LB's clean and pressure on QB's.

Marian RB and FB were big and fast ran hard, FB looked to 235-240 and had speed.
Several lead runs, power delays, full house backfield.

As I said this is a second hand review, sounds like Marian is a solid power team.

I do not think Albion was looking forward to Trine as much as I think coaching staff rested some nicked up guys, and focused on a few different wrinkles in the offense to get ready for the stretch drive.
I am sure Albion would have liked a win to keep spirits high, though I also think coaching staff wisely chose to play things safe, play a few new guys and get right for big game with Trine.

Big Adrian win / tough loss for Hope
With Trine coming to Albion this weekend the conference championship comes into focus.
Albion needs to pull the upset, can not afford to have 2 losses in league play.
Adrian and Trine need to remain focused and not look past this weeks games.
The re-match means nothing if they lose this weekend, they then control their own destiny. You do not want to then have to scorebard watch and look for help.

Let's hope for dry weather so a wet ball does not effect turnovers and limit game plans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:20:26 AM
Raider68:

RE: karma - altor nicely related the "karma rules".  As he mentioned, a poster has to have a significant amount of posts before they are allowed to give karma, although karma can be given/taken away from them before that.

As to the stadium in Holland, there will be no "new" stadium built - I have heard nothing whatsoever regarding that possibility and, IMO, that is extremely unlikely.  Certainly updated renovations need to be made to the current Holland Municipal Stadium, yet the situation to be decided is exactly as you mention as to who will be the owner/overseer of the facility.  Therein lies the underlying aspect in the discussions or negotiations (if we can call it that i.e. the latter term).  Right now, from what I've heard most recently, the city wants to keep ownership of the stadium.  IMO, I think it would be a better situation if Hope purchased it and, I can't believe that a very good mutual/contractual agreement couldn't be made for allowing Holland High School the use of it that would suit all parties.  Then again, we all know how politics plays into these matters.  We'll see what may or may not play out, if anything, over the next few months.

BAW:
Thanks for the summary of the Trine/Kazoo game.  After seeing Trine play Hope, I was, indeed, impressed with Trine's RB's, so as you mention, they will be a big offensive weapon for teams to contend with next year and beyond.  From your description and what I saw at the Trine/Hope game also, I think that Trine will have to definitely improve on defense to have a good chance to advance beyond the first round of the NCAA playoffs if they end up winning the MIAA title.  While Trine is good, I'm afraid there are just too many other regional teams that are (once again) better than any of this year's MIAA teams.  Hope did well against some tough non-conference competition, yet perhaps aside from Wheaton (which has lost a game now), the others who may still yet make the playoffs are not overpowering teams compared to some of the others (again, I'm just basing my opinion on what I saw in the Hope games and have only peripherally followed those non-conference opponents we played).  All that being said, as I mentioned in a previous post, whoever is our league AQ, I am definitely going to be rooting for them.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:37:26 AM
D306:

Others had asked about Marian.  I had reviewed their football website in the past, but will admit other than that, I know little about them.  They started a new program from scratch and as I understand it, have never had a football program in the history of that school.  Their coach is Ted Karras, a former Northwestern standout in the Big Ten (and nephew of the famous Detroit Lion Alex Karras).  Ted Karras was the former Head Coach at Div III Rose-Hulman and got their program back to a good, competitive level; prior to that he was Head Coach as I recall at NAIA St. Francis and had a top program there, winning or at least in the national championship game I believe (not sure on that without checking that on the website right now).  Anyway, from reviewing the roster, it appears that Marian is, indeed, on the course of recruiting some more talented players, although as we all know, it takes a few years to do that (they are only in their third year I believe).  Also, I think they are a scholarship program (I could be mistaken on that and should really check before posting this, but again, I'm trying to recall this at the moment).  They also have to recruit in the same regions as DePauw, Wabash, Franklin and, of course, the other DIII schools in Indiana; Karras also has some strong connections in the Chicago area so I believe they try and tap into that region as well.  And if they are a scholarship program, we know that gives them a perceived advantage in recruting, at least in the eyes of some of the parents and student-athletes in that process.   Being they are a newer program, I thought they would lose to Albion, yet on the other hand, they've obviously improved and we also know that your Albion is not at their best this year as compared to past years.  But that's the way it goes.

BTW, speaking of Albion playing non-conference foes like that, I see where Butler, who Albion has beaten in recent years is undefeated overall this year so far at 7-0 (they are technically FCS classification, yet as everyone knows their league is non-scholarship - formerly D-IAA Pioneer League).  Still, they have beaten the likes of San Diego who Jim Harbaugh took to the next level (and who beat teams such as Yale) before he moved on to Stanford.  I've heard through the rumor mill that Butler is planning on moving back to a "higher level" of competition in D-I and very possibly going back to scholarship football at that level, to match the other sports in their program.  Fordham University in NY has just done the same - kind of like returning to their earlier years or at least attempting to ;) (does anyone recall hearing about the 7 Rocks of Granite? - and for a trivia bonus point, who was a member of that Fordham group back then? ;D Hint: famous NFL legendary coach).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on October 26, 2009, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:37:26 AM
D306:

Others had asked about Marian.  I had reviewed their football website in the past, but will admit other than that, I know little about them.  They started a new program from scratch and as I understand it, have never had a football program in the history of that school.  Their coach is Ted Karras, a former Northwestern standout in the Big Ten (and nephew of the famous Detroit Lion Alex Karras).  Ted Karras was the former Head Coach at Div III Rose-Hulman and got their program back to a good, competitive level; prior to that he was Head Coach as I recall at NAIA St. Francis and had a top program there, winning or at least in the national championship game I believe (not sure on that without checking that on the website right now).  Anyway, from reviewing the roster, it appears that Marian is, indeed, on the course of recruiting some more talented players, although as we all know, it takes a few years to do that (they are only in their third year I believe).  Also, I think they are a scholarship program (I could be mistaken on that and should really check before posting this, but again, I'm trying to recall this at the moment).  They also have to recruit in the same regions as DePauw, Wabash, Franklin and, of course, the other DIII schools in Indiana; Karras also has some strong connections in the Chicago area so I believe they try and tap into that region as well.  And if they are a scholarship program, we know that gives them a perceived advantage in recruting, at least in the eyes of some of the parents and student-athletes in that process.   Being they are a newer program, I thought they would lose to Albion, yet on the other hand, they've obviously improved and we also know that your Albion is not at their best this year as compared to past years.  But that's the way it goes.

BTW, speaking of Albion playing non-conference foes like that, I see where Butler, who Albion has beaten in recent years is undefeated overall this year so far at 7-0 (they are technically FCS classification, yet as everyone knows their league is non-scholarship - formerly D-IAA Pioneer League).  Still, they have beaten the likes of San Diego who Jim Harbaugh took to the next level (and who beat teams such as Yale) before he moved on to Stanford.  I've heard through the rumor mill that Butler is planning on moving back to a "higher level" of competition in D-I and very possibly going back to scholarship football at that level, to match the other sports in their program.  Fordham University in NY has just done the same - kind of like returning to their earlier years or at least attempting to ;) (does anyone recall hearing about the 7 Rocks of Granite? - and for a trivia bonus point, who was a member of that Fordham group back then? ;D Hint: famous NFL legendary coach).




I'll try this from memory: Was it Vince Lombardi - legendary Green Bay Packer coach?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on October 26, 2009, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:37:26 AM
....Fordham University in NY has just done the same - kind of like returning to their earlier years or at least attempting to ;) (does anyone recall hearing about the 7 Rocks of Granite? - and for a trivia bonus point, who was a member of that Fordham group back then? ;D Hint: famous NFL legendary coach).



I'll try this from memory: Was it Vince Lombardi - legendary Green Bay Packer coach?



RFMichigan:

You are correct and "win the prize". ;D  I owe you a hot dog and a beer (or a Coca-Cola) if we ever meet up at one of the DIII games!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 03:57:13 PM
BAW and BOY, where are your Trine colleagues?  Uncle Rico and LetItRain have been quiet around here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 26, 2009, 04:15:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 03:57:13 PM
BAW and BOY, where are your Trine colleagues?  Uncle Rico and LetItRain have been quiet around here.

I don't think anyone would really claim to being colleagues with either of those two.  Just kinda got stuck with them, with no choice.  So, I think Boya drove off Uncle Rico and LetItRain
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 07:28:19 PM
Diezel1:

I, of course, hope you are joking (if you are, you forgot to put in one of the face symbols ;D ;)).  No one should drive anyone off our board here.  I (and others) have always intended our board be somewhat different than some of the other boards.  While there can be - and is - spirited discussion here at times, I dare say that I don't ever recall anyone here taking it to an inappropriate level by making personal attacks or "crossing the line" with regards to offensive comments, foul language, etc. against or toward anyone else here unlike what occurs at times on other boards.  So with that said, I hope everyone makes the choice to continue to contribute and participate here as they can and/or desire, and/or at least once in awhile. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 26, 2009, 08:06:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 03:57:13 PM
BAW and BOY, where are your Trine colleagues?  Uncle Rico and LetItRain have been quiet around here.

Wow - I've been called out.    ;)

Sometimes flying under the radar is the way to go and that's how I've been feeling about this season.  I hated seeing Trine lose to Franklin but knocking us out of the Top 25 may have been the best thing that happened to us this season.  It seems to have calmed everyone down so they can focus on football and they can stop worrying about the big target painted on our backs.

Speaking of knocking someone out of the Top 25 - Franklin got a taste of that themselves this weekend.  Who would have thought that one loss would result in a 20 point drop in the poll - yikes!

I don't know if I have any earth-shattering observations this year.  Trine's offense looks better than they did last year.  However, our defense worries me just a bit.  There's a lot of newer players starting this year and they're working hard to get into their "groove".  The veterans are doing their best to make up the difference, but the newer players also need to step up.  That being said, I also think I'm being a bit harsh/critical since they've only lost one game and that was by only one point, so obviously the defense is doing their job.  Nothing would please me more than to see Trine repeat as the MIAA champs but to even hope this will happen is almost like tempting fate, so I've been quiet.

I will say that Trine set a new school record by scoring 40+ points in 4 games so far this season.  It's always good to set these kinds of records and affirms the fact that the offense has really been playing well. 

I'm just harder on the defense since my son plays defense.  Typical parent, right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2009, 08:14:19 PM
LIR,

Good to see you back.  I was going to point out that your were still a regular on pickems, and were maybe just still licking your wounds from the 17th! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 26, 2009, 08:26:28 PM
While I may be currently a regular on pick-ems I think it would be better if I stuck to posting on this forum than trying to pick games this year.  I'm getting beaten up this year on pick-ems.  Can't seem to catch a break (other than sticking with Trine each week).   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 08:28:39 PM
LIR:

I second Mr. Ypsi's comment.  I agree with you that sometimes "lurking" is the better part of valor, however, please don't make it such a long stretch.  We do appreciate your commentary and discusion on here.

I have questions for you (and the other Trine people).  What is the next phase for your football stadium?  When we (Hope) played there a few weeks back, it sure looked great to see the new turf, lights, etc.  I heard there that the permanent stadium stand (brick and block) and new pressbox were to probably be in action for next year, but not sure.  It was also my understanding that the master plan called for the main stadium i.e. home stands to switch sides of the field and thus be where the current visitors stand are.  I would just add my opinion that if that is so, it won't be as nice for you home spectators because the wind, rain, sleet, etc. will be blowing right directly in your faces due to the orientation of the field as the weather usually (traditionally) comes from the SW to NE.  I know it was nasty in that regard for us that day we played at Hope when it intermittantly went from rain, sleet, high winds to sunny/windy and back again all day.

One final question; is it also in the plan to have a new lockerroom building at the end of the stadium and much closer for the teams?  I assume also you'll have a nice matching gateway entrance and ticket booth in the final stage.  Overall, at least the field is a tremendous improvement with the new synthetic turf as compared to the mudhole you guys had a couple of years ago when we played.  Unfortunately, as I'm sure you've read in the posts/discussion above, Hope still has the exact same problem - see the photo above.

Anyway, glad you haven't abandoned us! :)
   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2009, 08:31:58 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on October 26, 2009, 08:26:28 PM
While I may be currently a regular on pick-ems I think it would be better if I stuck to posting on this forum than trying to pick games this year.  I'm getting beaten up this year on pick-ems.  Can't seem to catch a break (other than sticking with Trine each week).   ;D

Yes, that HAS worked out a lot better than if you were an Olivet 'homer'! ;D

On CCIW pickems I generally pick IWU at least 95% of the time in both fball and bball.  Some years that puts me at or near the top; other years, not such a good strategy! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 08:33:11 PM
Oops!  Sorry for the minor modifications - had to correct my typos - should have checked those fully before hitting the "post" button. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 26, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
Trine broke ground on the new football building on 10/3.  The building will house new locker rooms, press box, a weight room, football offices, etc...  As you indicated, the home stands are moving across the field and will be built into the side of the new football building (similar to Adrian's building but without reserved seating - that I know of anyway).  The new building is scheduled to be complete in time for the 2010 football season. So to answer your question - yes, the home stands will now be facing the sun, wind, rain, sleet and snow starting next season.  Don't think we fans haven't already talked about this a bit...   :(

We did purchase and install lights from Memorial Stadium in Ft. Wayne.  It is my understanding that we also purchased the "jumbotron" from Memorial Stadium and it will be installed somewhere around the field for next season.  I heard this from a Trine faculty member so I trust that it is reliable info.  It will be very cool if it actually happens.  Wouldn't it be nice to see some instant replays at a D3 stadium?

I'm not sure about the plans for a new entrance, ticket booth, etc..., but I have to imagine this is all part of the plans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2009, 09:24:04 PM
Sorry you missed me, Deisel1.  I am still here, just trying to work out the kinks of that time travel machine that Kip built.  :)

People are talking about how the offense is better than last year (true), and that the defense is probably worse than last year for Trine (not totally convinced).  Here are some stats comparing the same opponents from this year and last...

Last year Trine was 246-149 (Points For / Points Against). 
This year Trine is 257-139 (Points For / Points Against).

The defense has given up less points than last year, and that 139 would be even lower except that Trine put in the subs a few times this year (more so than last year).  I admit that these numbers are still awfully close, and it does not really factor in any improvement or decline in the other teams.

Trine strikes me as being very deep, especially seeing all the substitutions they are doing and shuttling players in.

Very excited about the Albion game and Adrian coming up.  The race to the top is still wide open, no looking past the game at hand.  I see it very difficult for the MIAA to get more than one team in the playoffs again, so the best chance any team has is to win the crown.





Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2009, 09:30:00 PM
Also, I like Boya87 (pronounced boo-yah?) and BoredAtWork's posts.  They are very insightful!  

LetItRain, don't forget about the newly completed Athletic and Recreation Center (ARC).  Nice to see some of those track stars crossing over to football as well. 

http://www.trine.edu/alumni_advancement/alumni_publications/TBolt6-7-2009/arc.html

http://trinethunder.blogspot.com/2009/08/arc-pictures.html

http://www.chooseneindiana.com/news.aspx/2009/6/26/trine-indoor-track-facility-crosses-finish-line
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
Thanks for all the updates guys; very informative.  Now this is very good - we've added two pages to our posts all in about one day!  Talk to you all later in the week.  I'll post my picks sometime by Friday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 27, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
Being the Homer I am: ;D

Hope over Olivet  - Hope has a solid defense and will put up enough points, Olivet struggling to score continues.

Adrian over Alma  - Adrain defense will slow down the Scots and win to keep the pressure on Trine for next weeks showdown.

Albion over Trine - Home game for the Brits, Albion defense is tough, defensive/special teams points provide the difference in a low scoring game.

Hopefully Albion's 3-4 defensive starters that did not dress or played limited minutes last week return, if so I feel my prediction is solid.  If they do not return and play at some kind of level I think Trine controls the clock with their running game and wins the game.

How is that for "hedging" my bets? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 27, 2009, 08:22:34 AM
It looks like I missed most of the good discussions about the Trine facilities and team yesterday, but i will put my two cents in.

I am glad other people on this board find my posts insightful.  I am not very far removed from the Trine program and still talk with several players and coaches.  It has also worked out with me living in south central MI, that most of Trine's away games have been just as close, if not closer than the home games.  I have been at most of them (unlike my counterparts - Diezel and BOYA, What gives guys?)

The people who designed the new facilites probably never watched a game at Shive Field, and never took the weather into consideration. Its those stupid engineers with no common sense  ;).  The new Football Facility was originally scheduled to be completed at the beginning of the 2008 season, but got postponed due to lack of funds. IMO the University was over budget on the new apartments they were building and had to move some funds to finish them, but that was just the rumor on campus. (or maybe I am just a little bitter  that I wasnt able to use the new building while I was still there  ;))

As Uncle Rico pointed out, the defense has given up about the same amount of points as last years team.  But the biggest difference is the rush defense.  This years team is still leading the conference with giving up 107 yards per game in conference play, but its not as dominating as last years D was in giving up roughly 30 yards per game.  That D was in the top 5 in the nation most of the season in rushing yards allowed.  I believe that this years D is faster and more athletic, but smaller and younger.  But of late, they have looked much better than earlier in the year.

It was brought up a little yesterday about the MIAA's chances in the playoffs.  The only playoff caliber team we have played this year was Franklin, with a one point loss on the road.  But Franklin showed last week that they are not the class of the HCAC like they were last year.  So all we have to go on is Trine's playoff game against Wheaton last year. Even thought Wheaton snuck into the playoffs, they were ranked as high as 4th last year, and as high as 3rd this year.  Trine played competitive, but their offense struggled. The offense is better this year, so I think with a better draw than a top 5 team, a playoff win isnt out of the question.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves.  They have three very tough games left that they need to focus on or else all the talk about playoffs will be made from the couch instead of the sidelines.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 27, 2009, 10:55:43 AM
I take 1 day off from looking at the boards and I have to spend all morning catching up on my reading!  I guess that's what I get.  A lot of good input and discussion this week!

FormerD3DB,
Don't worry about Diezel1's comments.  He is just bitter towards me from all the times I burnt him on routes when we played together at Trine.  ;) haha

And also I have to comment on your previous post about Marion head coach Ted Karras, and I quote "nephew of the famous Detroit Lion Alex Karras"  I have concerns about the phrase "famous Detroit Lion" that is NOT followed by the name Barry Sanders.  I didn't think there were any other famous ones!   :) ;) :D ;D  (notice I put many icons to show my playful and joking manner in which this comment is meant)  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 27, 2009, 11:19:28 AM
I also suppose I will throw my 2 cents worth in concerning Trines offense and defense for this year.

I think at the end of last year there were a lot of concerns for Trine on the defensive side of the ball.  They lost so many key players that its natural and acceptable to have this feeling.  Just to name a few of the key players they lost: Corrie Latta DB, Joe Curtis LB, Courtney Pearson LB, Tab McNalley LB, Dan Chase DL, Jeremy Troutman DL.  These guys account for about 22 varsity years of experience.  That is hard to replace!

So if we must compare them to last years team, they still continue to stop the run and they still continue to struggle against the pass.  If there is one major difference between the defense of last year and this year I would say turnovers.  Now, I dont have the numbers to back this up, but from what I have seen this years defense has not created as many turnovers.

I will be honest and say that I was one of those people who had doubts about this years defense, but look at what they have done!  They have put my worries to rest and are doing exactly what they need to be doing to win games.  Keep up the good work Trine D!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 27, 2009, 12:41:53 PM
Leitrain:

Sounds like Trine is really doing it right, the addition of weight room and dedicated football offices is huge as you can never have a big enough weight room.  Adrian is still operating in one weightroom for the whole campus and it is not the most spacious place on earth, a lot fits in and they get good use out of it, but it would be beneficial for the athletic programs to have an exclusive use weight room, that should apply to all schools.  The football offices will lend even more credence to a program on the rise, kudos to Trine on getting it done.  It appears that Trine poses a real threat of becoming a top notch finisher in the MIAA for years to come with the things they are doing.  Facilities wise it looks as if Adrian and Trine are going to be the lead dogs in the race.  Id love to see the trend continue across the MIAA as it will only strengthen the league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 27, 2009, 01:35:14 PM
Sorry to those that might have taken my words towards BOYA and BoredAtWork seriously.  I was just doing a little joking with them and probably should have thrown in a couple smiley faces.  And the only time BOYA burnt anyone on a route was when coached called for a water break  :).  But in regards to building the new stadium, I would have thought that by now they would have changed the plans so that the home stands would remain where they are.  If I recall correctly, the coaching staff isn't really happy with looking into the sun or having the weather in their faces. In regards to the Trine/Albion game this weekend its going to be a high powered offense against a solid defense.  Trine, in the past, has struggled against solid defenses in the red zone (ie against Adrian and Wheaton last year).  If they get in the red zone and capitalize, I think it Trine will win.  If Albion holds them to field goals and forces a turnover or two then Albion has a good chance to come away with the victory.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 27, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
Thanks for all the updates guys; very informative.  Now this is very good - we've added two pages to our posts all in about one day!  Talk to you all later in the week.  I'll post my picks sometime by Friday.

Former3db,

So does Trine still look like the MIAA winner with an AQ for the playoffs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 27, 2009, 04:57:09 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 27, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
Thanks for all the updates guys; very informative.  Now this is very good - we've added two pages to our posts all in about one day!  Talk to you all later in the week.  I'll post my picks sometime by Friday.

Former3db,

So does Trine still look like the MIAA winner with an AQ for the playoffs?

Well, Raider, they are in the "driver's seat" so far and basically control their own destiny.  Yet as our Trine poster/colleagues have said, they aren't looking past any of the remaining three games.  There are four teams that still have a shot at it; Trine, Albion, Adrian and Alma, however, some will be eliminated this weekend.  Sure is a different scenario than what your Mount annually has! :D  Thanks for contributing to our board even though you are a "Raider" (although you do have those "honorary" Michigan roots as you've shared with us previously ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 27, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 27, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
Thanks for all the updates guys; very informative.  Now this is very good - we've added two pages to our posts all in about one day!  Talk to you all later in the week.  I'll post my picks sometime by Friday.

Former3db,

So does Trine still look like the MIAA winner with an AQ for the playoffs?

Raider if you don't mind I can give you some insight on your question.  Trine does hold the inside track to winning the MIAA and becoming the AQ for the playoffs.  However, if they lose one of their next two games there could be a tie atop the MIAA with the tie breaker going to the head to head (I believe that is how it works).  Both Albion and Adrian are tough teams that could "upset" Trine.  IMO, Trine will beat Albion this Saturday and the championship will come down to Adrian vs Trine @ Trine.  Trine has not lost a regular season home game in over 2 years, so it will be tough for Adrian.  So to answer your question, if Trine plays to their potential without any let downs then yes, they will win the MIAA but it won't be an easy task
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 27, 2009, 05:04:52 PM
Diezel:
No problem.  I assume you will be going to the game this Sat.  At least Trine/Albion and us (Hope) at Olivet will have the better field conditions with the new artificial turf.

I expect Hope to win this weekend, however, being that it is at Olivet, the latter will be very hungry for their first win this season. (oops, I just gave away one of my picks for the week ;)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 27, 2009, 05:08:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 27, 2009, 04:57:09 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 27, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
Thanks for all the updates guys; very informative.  Now this is very good - we've added two pages to our posts all in about one day!  Talk to you all later in the week.  I'll post my picks sometime by Friday.

Former3db,

So does Trine still look like the MIAA winner with an AQ for the playoffs?

Well, Raider, they are in the "driver's seat" so far and basically control their own destiny.  Yet as our Trine poster/colleagues have said, they aren't looking past any of the remaining three games.  There are four teams that still have a shot at it; Trine, Albion, Adrian and Alma, however, some will be eliminated this weekend.  Sure is a different scenario than what your Mount annually has! :D  Thanks for contributing to our board even though you are a "Raider" (although you do have those "honorary" Michigan roots as you've shared with us previously ;D)

If there is a downside to a dominant program, it is the lack of consistant
competition. Mount is kind of like Tiger Woods, in that some year a team
from the OAC will be close, then another year it could be someone else. 17
OAC championhips in a row just confirm like in Tiger's case, his competition
has come from a list of others not just Phil.

I think the OAC is becoming stronger and now you have 2 former Raiders as coaches. For the MIAA, someone needs to step up and set a winning
approach for the long term. If I were coaching in the MIAA, I would make
a trip or two to Alliance and pick Coach Kehres brain. If you want to be the best, learn from the best!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 27, 2009, 11:13:15 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 27, 2009, 05:08:35 PM
If I were coaching in the MIAA, I would make
a trip or two to Alliance and pick Coach Kehres brain. If you want to be the best, learn from the best!


Hope's first lesson didn't go so well.........

2006       Mount Union, Ohio, 49 Hope 0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 29, 2009, 08:21:21 AM
Here are my picks:

Adrian 31 - Alma 24.  Adrian's D does just enough to hold off the scot gun.

Hope 28 - Olivet 14. Olivet will still be searching for answers as Hope plays a solid game on both sides of the ball.

Trine 38 - Albion 14.  Even if Albion plays a great game defensively, they might hold Trine to 24 points.  Albions anemic offense wont score that much, Trine in an easy one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
My picks for Saturday are:

Albiona @ Trine - Trine

Adrian @ Alma - Adrian

Hope @ Olivet - Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 30, 2009, 07:10:48 PM
I know it's late in the season, but you guys should check out the MIAA pick'em board.  Looks like your picks match pretty well with what is being posted there.

Good discussion on facilities in the MIAA.  It seems like a lot of great things are happening at Trine and Adrian.  Don't overlook the improvements at Olivet and Hope, though.  Alma is also renovating their PE center and adding a new arena, and their fairly new student activities center is very nice.  I don't know about Kalamazoo, Calvin, or Albion, but I'm sure these schools won't let themselves fall behind.

As for the MIAA race, it looks like Trine is in the driver's seat.  An Alma win over Adrian this weekend, followed by an Adrian win over Trine next would really make things interesting.  We've had endings like that before.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2009, 08:27:51 PM
miaafan:

Good have you back posting.  Indeed, it is great to see all the improvements in athletic facilities in our MIAA.  Calvin just opened their huge new basketball arena this past winter, so they are pretty much upgraded like the other schools you mention.  IMO, aspects that remain are: Kazoo needs to renovate Angell Stadium/Field with new state-of-the-art press box, artificial surface, some additional wrought iron fencing/brick to match what they have recently done; Olivet and Alma to renovate their baseball, softball facilities; Albion and Hope to get artificial turf for football; Hope could also use a larger inside student athletic general facility like Alma's, Calvin's and Albion's not only for the general students but also so that some of the sports teams could practice inside on occasion if bad weather (Hope's current Dow Center built back in 1978 has those type facilities, but is too small and the DeVos was obviously built for baseketball/vollyball, the weight rooms, and for community activities, etc.).

I think Alma's new arena will be great; they just need to work on getting the community to come to more games (i.e. increase attendance) like Hope has the support in the Holland community.  I also know that Coach Griffin (Head Softball Coach) really has wanted the softball facility to be upgraded like Hope's and some of the others - he and his team have done a very nice job in "home sweat equity" in recent years.  However, as has been discussed on the board, in this current era of sports, even at DIII, the schools not matter how small need to have the modern facilities.  While old facilities are nostalgic, which I like, still the schools need to "keep up with the Jones's" - it's just the way it is.

As far as the picks here, I missed the first couple of weeks or so, thus, I just list them here rather than on the official pick-em board as it wouldn't be fair to chime in late.  What is your prediction for Alma's game tomorrow?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 31, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
Adrian D pitches a shut out against Alma this afternoon, I havent seen Alma shut out as long as I can remember, does anyone know when the last time this happened was?  Adrian D held the Scot Gun to 2.8 yards per play today in another great showing, giving Adrian a 7-0 win to keep them alive for next weeks show down with Trine.  Dline came through big today, tons of pressure, lots of hits and a few sacks, one big stick at the end of the game on McGrady that will have him uncomfortable when hes sleeping tonight.

Looks like Trine put another great game together, 310 rushing yards today at a 5+ ypc clip is a good way to win games on top of the huge time of possession that they had today.  Looks like Albion wasnt able to stop the run all day as Trine needed only 90 passing yards to get the 33-14 win.  9/15 on 3rd down conversions and 6/7 on redzone chances will win you a lot of games.  Looks as if it will be a showdown Saturday with Trines offense hitting on all cylinders and Adrians defense doing the same, should be an interesting game.

formerd3db: 

How was the hope game from your perspective, good to see Hope get the second MIAA win and it looks like they really put it to Olivet on the ground today, another 300+ rushing day there which is impressive along with the passing to have over 500 yards of offense that will win a lot of games as well.  What were your thoughts on Olivet?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 31, 2009, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 31, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
I havent seen Alma shut out as long as I can remember, does anyone know when the last time this happened was? 

Oct 4, 2003   Hope 21 Alma 0

http://miaa.org/fb/stats/03over/1004HOAM.HTM

212 total yards of offense that day.

Alma had just 168 today vs Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 31, 2009, 08:45:04 PM
Sac:

Nice job on that.  I knew it had been a long while and on top of the shut out the yardage total was very impressive.  I think until today Alma had been averaging something like 440yds of offense and as you said were held to 168 today.  A very good showing for Adrian and it looks like they will need it as I said against Trine as their offense is humming.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 31, 2009, 10:20:27 PM
I attended the Trine vs. Albion game today and I couldn't believe how well the field held up.  But in regards to the game Trine controlled the game on the ground.  Albion really had no answer for the Trine rushing attack which has been very good the last few weeks.  Trine defense gave up some big plays against the run early which helped Albion stay in the game.  Albion's offense works well for them if they can pick up good yards on first down and get to 2nd and medium and 3rd and short.  Quarterback had a tough day delivering the ball to the intended receiver.  Not sure if that has been a problem all year or if he just had an off day.  Albion's RB has very good vision and finds the cutback lane and hits the hole hard.  Big match up once again for the title between Adrian and Trine next weekend.  Should be another tough game for the championship
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 31, 2009, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 29, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
My picks for Saturday are:

Albiona @ Trine - Trine

Adrian @ Alma - Adrian

Hope @ Olivet - Hope

Former3db,

Your picks were corrent, looks like Trine will win the MIAA, glad Hope won
again!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 01, 2009, 12:11:03 PM
With the win against Albion on Saturday Trine has clinched at least a share of the MIAA title.  However, it will take a win against Adrian on 11/7 to get the AQ for the playoffs. 

Stay strong, boys in blue, and work hard this week.  Let's keep the Black & Blue trophy in Angola where it belongs and let's get that AQ into the playoffs!!!

GO THUNDER!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 01, 2009, 09:44:06 PM
I might make this a regular feature..........'This week in Special Teams Basics'

Lesson 1.....don't tackle your own punt returner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3k63CsqII&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2009, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: sac on November 01, 2009, 09:44:06 PM
I might make this a regular feature..........'This week in Special Teams Basics'

Lesson 1.....don't tackle your own punt returner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3k63CsqII&feature=player_embedded

Great find - I don't think I've EVER seen that before! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 02, 2009, 08:25:51 AM
It looks like ADAWG and Diezil covered the Trine - Albion game pretty well, so all I will say about Trines offense is that they need to improve their play in the red zone.  As ADAWG pointed out, they were 6 for 7, but three of those were field goal attempts from inside the 10.  In next weeks championship game against Adrain, they will need to finish drives and get 7 points instead of 3 in a game where scoring oppertunities might be hard to come by.

Something else I want to ask the board has to do with the quality of officiating in the MIAA.  Before I start, I would like to preface this by saying I am not claiming that the officiating is biased, or the typical "my team got robbed" routine.  I am just going to use three examples from the Trine - Albion game that really sum up what I have seen in the last 5 years of watching MIAA football.

Albion is punting to Trine and the Trine punt returner catches the ball and starts to the sideline on what looked like a promising return when the play was blown dead.  The Back Judge claimed that another player on the reutrn team made a fair catch signal and therefor the ball was dead upon the catch.  I had no idea that anybody else besides the person catching the ball could make a fair catch signal, espically an anti gunner who was blocking for the entire play.  Now, I haven't checked the rule book on this one, so if the call was correct, please let me know.

There was two calls made by the line judge on the home sidelines that seemed very questionable.  One was when Albion was on offense.  Albion had a WR in motion across the formation when the running back came out of his stance, took a step, then came back to his stance.  To me, this was either a false start or two men in motion.  Instead, the offical did nothing for about 5 seconds before awarding Albion a time out called from the sideline.  Again, if this was the correct call, please correct me.

The last call came from the same official.  Trine was on offense.  They pitched the ball to a running back who fumbled the pitch, then picked it up and made a move to the outside picking up a few yards when the play was called dead because the dropped pitch was called an incomplete forward pass.  I had a pretty good view from the sideline to see that the pitch was not forward.  but that is not my issue with the play.  If the official thought the ball was an incomplete pass, the call should have been made immediatly, not after the ball was picked up and advanced down the field on what could have been a very big play.

I know these kind of calls  happen to every team on every Saturday.  My concern is that our teams are getting poor officiating because of sub par officiating crews.  if anyone has any insight about the inner workings of how these crews are trained, or selected compared to other conferences, I would like to get some feedback about it.  I am tired of seeing these types of questionable calls at this level of competition.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 02, 2009, 09:55:07 AM
Bored,
Wow those calls seem pretty rediculous.  Officiating always seems to be a topic on the mind of fans on both the win and lose side.  People like to play the "what if" game a lot.  "well what if we didnt get that one play called back, we could have won the game!"  or "What if the officials werent so bad, we wouldnt have been so nervous in the 4th quarter with this close game"

The fact of the matter is, we are imperfect people living in an imperfect world.  Also we are DIII football with non-scholarship athletes...maybe our officials are volunteer?!  hahaha.  But even the big guys at DI with cameras on them at all times make missed calls or make wrong calls.  Its a part of the game that is just as expected as the opening kick off. 

I know its easy as fans to sit high up in our seats, see the whole field, and bitch and moan (pardon my french) about the calls that are being made.  However as former players I think we all know that the view on the field is a whole lot different than what the fans are able to see.  Football is the best sport in the world and I hate to see people get caught up in officiating.  Its almost a little demening to the sport.  (listen to myself, this coming from the guy who got kicked out of a football game, 2 baseball games, and 2 basketball games before the age of 12!  Luckily I cleaned up my sportsmanship before getting to the MIAA). 

In the end,  I understand where your frustration comes from.  In my opinion the problem with officiating does not come with the bad calls that are made but more in the consistency.  If you call something once you better be ready to call that same penalty the entire game.  even in the final minute with one team driving to score!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 02, 2009, 10:36:21 AM
Congrats to the Trine guys on the board here.

Trine deserved that win, great running team, positive yardage on most plays, and the quick screen/bubble pass to keep the LB's honest.

The keys I saw in the game.

Trine diverse running game, can not take away the run and not get hurt on the edges.
Field position, special teams. Trine started inside the Albion territory or midfield all to often.
Albion could not sustain enough drives to get field position back, way to many dropped passes.

Looking ahead to next weeks big tilt.
I believe Trine will prevail, Trine moves the ball and has a solid defense.
Adrian has a very good defense but has had trouble pointing points on the board at a high pace this year.
Last key for the game Game is at Trine, great support and home field advantage for Trine.

Lets hope for a few more weeks of decent weather.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on November 02, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
Regarding the officiating of the Trine/Albion game...  how about the one where Albion had four guys jump on defense and were still in the neutral zone when the ball was snapped and no flag...

And the one who got called for calling fair catch was my son...  Said he was doing no such thing - lined up just like his corner position on punt returns and was blocking the whole way down the field.  Interested in the real ruling for that one too.

If by chance (just a chance  ;) just throwing this out:  If Adrian wins their next two games and both Adrian and Trine go 5-1, who receives the playoff bid?  Adrian, because they won the head to head?  Or overall record?  Thanks.

Weather for Saturday is currently looking great!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2009, 11:22:01 AM
Don't know for the MIAA specifically, but I don't know of any conference where head-to-head is not the first tie break.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 02, 2009, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 02, 2009, 09:55:07 AM

But even the big guys at DI with cameras on them at all times make missed calls or make wrong calls.  Its a part of the game that is just as expected as the opening kick off. 

Football is the best sport in the world and I hate to see people get caught up in officiating.  Its almost a little demening to the sport. 



BOYA-

I know that bad calls happen, and that they are expected in every game. No one is perfect.  And i know there is going to be fans second guessing calls after every game. I agree with your thought of not liking people who get caught up in the officiating, and blaming that on the outcome of the game. I just would like to see more games where you can say "that was a bad call", instead of "that was a bad crew".   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 02, 2009, 03:06:03 PM
Do the MIAA officials get rated like they do in the MHSAA (Michigan High School Athletic Association)?  Score cards are turned in after every game by the teams.  Even in our youth football program, we use MHSAA officials and turn in score cards.  I would like to think the governing body of the MIAA does something similar, and rewards officials who score high, and works on further training of officials to help make them better.  

We all make mistakes, as officials, coaches, parents and players.  With some type of scorecard system at least super performers can be identified and officials who are struggling can get more attention.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on November 02, 2009, 03:49:52 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 02, 2009, 08:25:51 AM
Albion is punting to Trine and the Trine punt returner catches the ball and starts to the sideline on what looked like a promising return when the play was blown dead.  The Back Judge claimed that another player on the reutrn team made a fair catch signal and therefor the ball was dead upon the catch.  I had no idea that anybody else besides the person catching the ball could make a fair catch signal, espically an anti gunner who was blocking for the entire play.  Now, I haven't checked the rule book on this one, so if the call was correct, please let me know.

Yes, anybody on Team R can make a fair catch signal.

QuoteThere was two calls made by the line judge on the home sidelines that seemed very questionable.  One was when Albion was on offense.  Albion had a WR in motion across the formation when the running back came out of his stance, took a step, then came back to his stance.  To me, this was either a false start or two men in motion.  Instead, the offical did nothing for about 5 seconds before awarding Albion a time out called from the sideline.  Again, if this was the correct call, please correct me.

An illegal shift (two men in motion, without coming set) would not be flagged until the snap and does not cause the play to be immediately blown dead.  If the official did not rule it a false start, he would not have any reason to call anything because the other WR in motion always has the opportunity to come set himself before the snap.

QuoteThe last call came from the same official.  Trine was on offense.  They pitched the ball to a running back who fumbled the pitch, then picked it up and made a move to the outside picking up a few yards when the play was called dead because the dropped pitch was called an incomplete forward pass.  I had a pretty good view from the sideline to see that the pitch was not forward.  but that is not my issue with the play.  If the official thought the ball was an incomplete pass, the call should have been made immediatly, not after the ball was picked up and advanced down the field on what could have been a very big play.

First, I've also noticed that forward/backward passes are not always called correctly.  I personally give the officials a break on this because of the parallax involved.  The head linesman and line judge simply are not in a good position to make that call, but they are the only ones who are even close.  That's a much easier call to make from the stands.

Second, I've noticed football officials no longer carry the whistle in their mouth, probably because of too many inadvertent whistles.  So, it takes a second or two for an official to put the whistle into his mouth and blow the play dead.  Also, most crews have mechanics to tell each other if it was forward or backward, so he may have been looking to his teammates to see if any of them had ruled it forward or backward before he blew the play dead himself.  This would also take a second or two.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 02, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
unclerico:

Each MIAA head coach fills out an evaluation form on the officials after each game, its standard procedure.

MIAA tie breaker in the event of a league tie I believe goes head to head, than it may go most points etc, not sure but I do know for naming a champ there is no tie breaker, only split champions for the playoffs is where the tie breaker comes in obviously.  However I do believe there is some sort of who ever hasnt been to the playoffs longest in the event of a tie in all categories takes place.  THis may be the case if a situation arose where lets say Albion, Adrian and Trine had all finished with one loss, Adrian losing to Albion, Trine losing to Adrian and Albion losing to Trine then it goes further down the list and I believe potentially to whoever hadnt been there the longest.

Trine guys:

I will be heading down to the game this saturday, hows the parking situation down there these days should I plan on getting there early?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 02, 2009, 05:21:55 PM
ADAWG,

The parking hasnt been too horrible this year, although I always park in the Trine tailgating area so its hard to tell.  Again the whole season comes down to this last week (not to undermind everything else that has been accomplished this year).  Especially with the way the game between Adrian and Trine went last year I expect there to be a huge Trine and Adrian support so I would always suggest getting there early.  Plus, if the weather is cold it wouldnt hurt to get some coco in you before the game.

I cant wait for this weeks game!  Hopefully the weather is nice so we can really see these teams talents shine.  Hopefully we will see some more scoring than last years game. (I was afraid that game would end 2-0)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 02, 2009, 05:57:35 PM
altor

Thanks for clearing that up.  I am happy to hear that the calls, which looked questionable on the surface, have a fairly simple explanation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 02, 2009, 08:27:22 PM
BOYA87:

Dont expect to much from Adrian fans, they travel well because of the parents who are the ones that truly care and are invested, but if there was one word to describe the student body towards football as a fan base it would be apathetic.  It is really dissapointing to go to games and see the "student section" all but empty and an overhwhelming lack of students to be seen that arent on the sideline or in the band.  Its really a sad site to see as good as the program has been for the last 6 years and with the stadium moved to campus the students still dont come out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2009, 08:30:46 PM
DAWG:

Sorry for the delay in this reply post to yours, however, after the game Saturday, I was out-of-town for the remainder of the weekend until this evening.  Anyway, my take on the Hope/Olivet game:  overall, I thought it was a good game.  Not at pretty win for Hope, but we'll take it! ;D  I think Olivet has a good team; fast offense, big offensive linemen, and their defense has some really good players, especially at LB and DB (unfortunately, they will lose some of those people due to their being seniors this year).  Olivet could have won the game, they missed a couple of key opportunities yet did tie it at 14-14 at one point.  On the other hand, Hope had a couple of opportunities to put it out of reach - should have had probably two other TD's - a minor controversy regarding the time clock at the end of the half with Hope on about the 1 yard line.  Olivet has two good QB's (their starter unfortunately sustained a knee injury during the game and was out for the remainder, some good RB's, WR are fast but I think Hope's secondary did a much better job than in some of their previous games.  To summarize Olivet in short, I think they are like Hope this year i.e. with a couple of breaks here and there, they could have won the game and I'm sure some of their other games this year.  As many people said about Hope earlier in the season before we won our first game, Hope was probably the best winless team in the nation at that time - I think the same can be said about Olivet.  IMO, they are not an 0-8 team talentwise and they do have a good coaching staff.

It was a good and much needed win for Hope.  Now on to Alma this upcoming weekend.  I hope you enjoy your weekend at Trine - Adrian will have to bring their "A" game to beat them at this point I believe.

As I mentioned to their SID on Sat (a great guy BTW - seriously), I was impressed with the facilities for Olivet (I've seen them before, but nice synthetic turf, press box and stands on each side.  Their new basketball/vollyball complex addition to the Cutler Athletic Complex is nice as well.  I also thought their home crowd support was good to see despite their losing season.  Although their home attendance has been paltry this season  in the 500+ range (that's what happens in a losing season obviously) with the exception of having a nice homecoming crowd of nearly 2400 - their fans are really supportive and made a lot of noise in cheering them.  Weather was cold, but rain held off and the sun peaked through about 3 times during the course of the afternoon for about 2-3 minutes each time.  It would have been nicer except for the wind which made it colder with the wind chill.  Also, a nice following of Hope fans to the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2009, 08:38:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 31, 2009, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 29, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
My picks for Saturday are:

Albiona @ Trine - Trine

Adrian @ Alma - Adrian

Hope @ Olivet - Hope

Former3db,

Your picks were corrent, looks like Trine will win the MIAA, glad Hope won
again!

Thanks Raider 68.  Looks like I kind of lucked out this time! :)  We'll see what happens this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2009, 08:41:48 PM
A good and legit discussion on the officiated in the Trine game.  I won't make any general comments on officiating as for one, I obviously didn't see the game, and second, I think you've all covered that quite well and, third, we discussed the MIAA officiating this year in general earlier.  Hope/Olivet game officiating was decent - they missed several holding calls, but were consistent overall IMO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 02, 2009, 10:35:02 PM
ADAWG:

Word in the MIAA is if AC doesn't win, their staff is possibly going to be let go?  Is this rumors?  Seems to me this has been mentioned in years before as well.  If true, that is sad.  Facilities or not, no president should let go a D3 coach, who keeps the schools enrollment up with recruiting 100 kids, like Jim Lyall has done for what, 18 years.   I imagine a guy like Coach Lyall who has been at Adrian for so long, has the support of former players, right?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 03, 2009, 08:02:23 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 02, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
Trine guys:

I will be heading down to the game this saturday, hows the parking situation down there these days should I plan on getting there early?

There is adequate parking behind the tailgate area (South side of football field).  The entrance into the parking area is next to the railroad tracks off Park Ave. and usually has an "Event Parking" sign posted.

FYI - Trine does not allow entry into the stadium until noon.  People start lining up about 11:45 AM to get in to get their preferred seats.  Visitors need to go to the main entrance/ticket area (there's a "tailgate" entrance for the Thunder Club members). 

Looking forward to a good game on Saturday.  Adrian is always tough but Trine needs to pull this one out to get back to the playoffs again.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 03, 2009, 11:13:44 AM
ADAWG,

Thats a shame to hear about the student support for Adrian.  I thought at last years championship game there was a good student turnout in the north endzone at least.  But perhaps that was simply because it was a big home game to end the year.

I am overwhelmed with the support Trine has grown over the past couple of years in its athletics.  Not only football but it seemed like volleyball and basketball games had grown quite a bit in attendance as well.  It was some experience for me to go from playing in front of a couple hundered parents in the stands one year to playing in front of 5 thousand + parents, friends, students, and community members.  After going undefeated last year in the regular season, the Angola mayor even declared a day as "Trine University Football Day".  It just goes to show the kind of support that goes around in the Angola area. 

I hope it all isnt a bandwagon effect and that the support always continues.  I also hope Adrian can figure out a way to gain more involvment with its students.  The student body is the hearbeat of any campus and its always a little disheartening to athletes and the community if that heartbeat is weak.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2009, 12:16:29 PM
Boya87:

The Trine game last year was a good crowd, one of the top three for the year the other two of note were homecoming and the opener which are usually the only big two.  I would expect good support if the game were home, but in my 9 years of being around and associated with the Adrian program I cannot recall a time when the student fanbase travelled well which is a shame for the athletes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 03, 2009, 02:21:35 PM
ADAWG,

Do the liscensed seats at Adrian cause any problems for the shortage in attendence? The student section at the Trine/Adrian game last year was packed, but if I remember correctly the home stands were pretty empty.  I know that really has nothing to do with the student body traveling well but I thought there wouldn't have been an empty seat in the stadium
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 03, 2009, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 02, 2009, 08:38:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 31, 2009, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 29, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
My picks for Saturday are:

Albiona @ Trine - Trine

Adrian @ Alma - Adrian

Hope @ Olivet - Hope

Former3db,

Your picks were corrent, looks like Trine will win the MIAA, glad Hope won
again!

Thanks Raider 68.  Looks like I kind of lucked out this time! :)  We'll see what happens this weekend.

Will Trine move up in the North region rankings this week, if so how high? :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 03, 2009, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 03, 2009, 03:43:57 PM

Will Trine move up in the North region rankings this week, if so how high? :-X

I only see Trine moving up 1 spot to #9.  North Central should drop out of the top ten with their second loss of the season.  Otterbein, the only other team in the North Regional Rankings to lose last week, will fall.  But i dont think they will fall far enough for Trine to pass them.  However, Otterbein does play Mount Union next week so they may be out of the top ten after that.

I dont see Trine leap-frogging any team that wins out, based solely on the fact that there are no zero or one loss teams left on their schedule.  I wouldnt be suprised to see Trine end up in the 6-7 range by the end of the year.   

 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 03, 2009, 04:07:43 PM
Good assessment, BAW56 - I came to the same conclusion myself after looking at who lost this past weekend.  That being said, we may not move up at all.  It's all good, tho - still flying under the radar.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 03, 2009, 04:19:50 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 03, 2009, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 03, 2009, 03:43:57 PM

Will Trine move up in the North region rankings this week, if so how high? :-X

I only see Trine moving up 1 spot to #9.  North Central should drop out of the top ten with their second loss of the season.  Otterbein, the only other team in the North Regional Rankings to lose last week, will fall.  But i dont think they will fall far enough for Trine to pass them.  However, Otterbein does play Mount Union next week so they may be out of the top ten after that.

I dont see Trine leap-frogging any team that wins out, based solely on the fact that there are no zero or one loss teams left on their schedule.  I wouldnt be suprised to see Trine end up in the 6-7 range by the end of the year.   

 


Quote from: LetItRain on November 03, 2009, 04:07:43 PM
Good assessment, BAW56 - I came to the same conclusion myself after looking at who lost this past weekend.  That being said, we may not move up at all.  It's all good, tho - still flying under the radar.   ;)

Trine does not want to be 8th in the region if Mount Union stays in the North. If however, Mount moves to the East and is replaced by UWW
from the West, that option is not good either. For Trine's sake, their best
hope is 6-7th.

I agree North Central will drop out as will Otterbein (after Saturday).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 03, 2009, 04:52:31 PM
Raider,

Not sure you are aware (since Mount is almost always the #1 seed), but the regional rankings aren't always the indicator of the seeding you will get in the playoffs.  Last year Trine was #4 in the final regional rankings but were the #2 seed in the bracket.  And Wheaton, who was not in the regional ranking was the #7 seed.  Although being ranked higher in the regional ranking would better your chances in getting a higher seed in the tournament it all depends on those wacky NCAA officials who make up the tournament pairings  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 03, 2009, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 03, 2009, 04:52:31 PM
Raider,

Not sure you are aware (since Mount is almost always the #1 seed), but the regional rankings aren't always the indicator of the seeding you will get in the playoffs.  Last year Trine was #4 in the final regional rankings but were the #2 seed in the bracket.  And Wheaton, who was not in the regional ranking was the #7 seed.  Although being ranked higher in the regional ranking would better your chances in getting a higher seed in the tournament it all depends on those wacky NCAA officials who make up the tournament pairings  :) :) :)

Diezel1,

Your are correct, but oftentimes they (rankings) are reasonably accurate, but the NCAA does always have some surprizes and some "for certain" teams do not even make it
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 03, 2009, 05:48:59 PM
Call me crazy, but (pending a Trine win this weekend) bring on Mount Union!

What better way to really judge your programs strength and progress then to play the best?!  Of course it would be great to get a good seed and have a better opportunity to get a DIII playoff win (something that Trine University has NEVER done). But I gaurantee if Trine draws Mount Union, those are going to be some excited players and some excited coaches! 

I know I sure would have loved the opportunity to measure up my personal abilities as well as my teams abilities against a program like Mount Union!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 03, 2009, 06:02:45 PM
Boya77

Be careful what you ask for!!!
I will take anybody but Mount.
I would rather Trine carry the flag for the MIAA and win a game in the playoffs, the MIAA cerrtainly needs a win in the playoffs.

First things first, I believe Trine will win the big game this week VS Adrian
Trine has too much offense and Adrian has struggled to put up points recently.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2009, 06:38:45 PM
Trine vs. Adrian = Offense vs. Defense it would appear.  Trines offense scoring 41 pts a game vs. Adrians defense who is giving up 9.5.  Classic unstoppable force vs. immovable object it will be interesting to see which way the game tilts.

The Adrian offense has been down lately, if they can get the ball in their playmakers hands as they have plenty of them they should be able to get rolling, Trine will likely give them some trouble up front, but I have to believe (and hope) that the Adrian offense is going to break out of its funk one of these days, heres hoping its Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 03, 2009, 09:03:09 PM
I agree that when Trine is on offense, it will be an epic battle between the best offense and the best defense in the league.  It will be really interesting to see which way the scale tips in that match up. 

The key to the game, in my opinion, will be the other match up.  Both Trines defense and Adrains offense are middle of the pack statistically.  Whichever team wins this less anticipated battle will give their teammates on the other side of the ball a cahnce to win the game.  Trines offense really clicks when the defense can give them good field position and turnovers, the same way Adrains defense plays better when the offense produces (i know, a revolutionaly thought, right? :))

About Trine drawing Mount Union in the playoffs, I would much rather see this match up in the National Semi's instead of the first round.  ;)  You need to walk before you can run, and a playoff win would be the first step to proving that someone from the MIAA can run with the big boys of D3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 03, 2009, 09:16:06 PM
RE: Trines draw for the playoffs

It would be nice to see an MIAA team not get the bottom seed in their region for once and have a chance to get a win instead of going up against the Mount Unions of the world.  If Trine should win and Im hoping they dont because of my personal ties to Adrian, it would be nice to see them draw a middle of the pack seed and get a good matchup.  Should Adrian win, as I will be predicting and then beat Olivet, the 7-3 record they would finish with if they get it would be a sure bet for that 8th seed making it an even tougher proposition to win in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 03, 2009, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: D306 on November 03, 2009, 06:02:45 PM
Boya77

Be careful what you ask for!!!
I will take anybody but Mount.
I would rather Trine carry the flag for the MIAA and win a game in the playoffs, the MIAA cerrtainly needs a win in the playoffs.

First things first, I believe Trine will win the big game this week VS Adrian
Trine has too much offense and Adrian has struggled to put up points recently.


Assuming Trine wins the MIAA, it would be best if they did not meet a Mount Union or possibly UWW in the first round.

Boya77 is right, get a win or two under the MIAA's belt, then go from there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 09:03:27 AM
former3db,D306,BoredatWork56,Diezel1,LetitRain,Boya87

The MIAA board is very quiet! Where are all the posters? :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 04, 2009, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 03, 2009, 05:48:59 PM
Call me crazy, but (pending a Trine win this weekend) bring on Mount Union!

What better way to really judge your programs strength and progress then to play the best?!  Of course it would be great to get a good seed and have a better opportunity to get a DIII playoff win (something that Trine University has NEVER done). But I gaurantee if Trine draws Mount Union, those are going to be some excited players and some excited coaches! 

I know I sure would have loved the opportunity to measure up my personal abilities as well as my teams abilities against a program like Mount Union!

Been there, done that, fun = yes, good for old stories while drinking beer with the buddies not so much unless you are discussing the NCAA record for most points scored against a team in the shortest amount of time (yes MUC put 21pts in a 14 second period to start the second quarter  in the first game of the 96 season!)

the only way to beat MUC is with a killer D that creates a lot of turnovers and an offense good enough to capitalize on it for 7 pts.  no one can shoot it out with MUC.  if the MIAA  has a team right now that would have a chance it would be adrian becuase the front 7 on Defense...but being a realist it is something less than a 5% chance and that is only becuase anything is possible (ask Syracuse BBall)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 10:51:44 AM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 04, 2009, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 03, 2009, 05:48:59 PM
Call me crazy, but (pending a Trine win this weekend) bring on Mount Union!

What better way to really judge your programs strength and progress then to play the best?!  Of course it would be great to get a good seed and have a better opportunity to get a DIII playoff win (something that Trine University has NEVER done). But I gaurantee if Trine draws Mount Union, those are going to be some excited players and some excited coaches! 

I know I sure would have loved the opportunity to measure up my personal abilities as well as my teams abilities against a program like Mount Union!

Been there, done that, fun = yes, good for old stories while drinking beer with the buddies not so much unless you are discussing the NCAA record for most points scored against a team in the shortest amount of time (yes MUC put 21pts in a 14 second period to start the second quarter  in the first game of the 96 season!)

the only way to beat MUC is with a killer D that creates a lot of turnovers and an offense good enough to capitalize on it for 7 pts.  no one can shoot it out with MUC.  if the MIAA  has a team right now that would have a chance it would be adrian becuase the front 7 on Defense...but being a realist it is something less than a 5% chance and that is only becuase anything is possible (ask Syracuse BBall)

So you think Adrian beats Trine with their tough Defense?

Regarding Mount Union, in their 4 losses in 10 years, a great defense
is the major way they lost those few games. They just do not turn the ball over very often at all. It would take superior athletes and great coaching
strategy to make that happen. All if those factors have made Mount an
elite program, but other schools have adopted their philosophy. A school in the MIAA could do the same, as did UWW, W & J, ONU and others.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on November 04, 2009, 11:30:13 AM
Are you all assuming the NAthC champion will be shipped out of region too?

Concordia, IL, is 7-1 but was not on last week's Regional Ranking.  Trine's current OWP is well above Concordia's.  Also, Concordia beat Olivet by 5 and Trine won by 25.  Assuming Trine wins the conference, I don't think they are an 8 seed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 11:57:34 AM
Quote from: altor on November 04, 2009, 11:30:13 AM
Are you all assuming the NAthC champion will be shipped out of region too?

Concordia, IL, is 7-1 but was not on last week's Regional Ranking.  Trine's current OWP is well above Concordia's.  Also, Concordia beat Olivet by 5 and Trine won by 25.  Assuming Trine wins the conference, I don't think they are an 8 seed.

I would think there is a good chance Mount Union will move to the east again!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on November 04, 2009, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 11:57:34 AM
I would think there is a good chance Mount Union will move to the east again!

Perhaps, but then they are worried that UWW comes to the North again.  They didn't like that scenario either.  I'm trying to tell them that Trine is not an 8 seed at this point (but they got to get in first).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 04, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Just to clarify my previous comments, of course I would not PREFER the MIAA representative to play MU in the post season first round game.  However, the only things that Trine and Adrain have any control over is whether they win their final 2 games.  Other than that it is all left up to the committees, boards, coaches, computers...or whatever else decides the playoff seeds!  All I am saying is that whatever draw a team gets in the first round, it is going to be a good team.  These are all teams that have won their conference or at least preformed well in a very strong conference.

So, should the MIAA representative draw MU in the 1st round I say....Bring on Mount Union.  Dont be upset, dont be scared, dont back down, and definitely dont let them win the game before it even begins.  They play on the same field we do.  they play with 11 men on the field just like we do.  and their team is made up of 18-22 year old men, just like ours!

Respect your opponents, but never fear them. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 04, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Just to clarify my previous comments, of course I would not PREFER the MIAA representative to play MU in the post season first round game.  However, the only things that Trine and Adrain have any control over is whether they win their final 2 games.  Other than that it is all left up to the committees, boards, coaches, computers...or whatever else decides the playoff seeds!  All I am saying is that whatever draw a team gets in the first round, it is going to be a good team.  These are all teams that have won their conference or at least preformed well in a very strong conference.

So, should the MIAA representative draw MU in the 1st round I say....Bring on Mount Union.  Dont be upset, dont be scared, dont back down, and definitely dont let them win the game before it even begins.  They play on the same field we do.  they play with 11 men on the field just like we do.  and their team is made up of 18-22 year old men, just like ours!

Respect your opponents, but never fear them. 

BOYA87,

If the Trine and Adrian players have the same attitude as you, then they
have the right mental fortitude to succeed.

The committees will make the calls, but I would also want to play the best right out of the gate to see what my program has to do to grow.

In 2002-03 ( I think, will have to verify exact dates), the University of Wisc.
Whitewater scheduled Mount Union for their first games to learn from
an elite program. Not only did they learn ( despite two large losses) but went on to be a major power in D3.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 04, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 04, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Just to clarify my previous comments, of course I would not PREFER the MIAA representative to play MU in the post season first round game.  However, the only things that Trine and Adrain have any control over is whether they win their final 2 games.  Other than that it is all left up to the committees, boards, coaches, computers...or whatever else decides the playoff seeds!  All I am saying is that whatever draw a team gets in the first round, it is going to be a good team.  These are all teams that have won their conference or at least preformed well in a very strong conference.

So, should the MIAA representative draw MU in the 1st round I say....Bring on Mount Union.  Dont be upset, dont be scared, dont back down, and definitely dont let them win the game before it even begins.  They play on the same field we do.  they play with 11 men on the field just like we do.  and their team is made up of 18-22 year old men, just like ours!

Respect your opponents, but never fear them. 

BOYA87,

If the Trine and Adrian players have the same attitude as you, then they
have the right mental fortitude to succeed.

The committees will make the calls, but I would also want to play the best right out of the gate to see what my program has to do to grow.

In 2002-03 ( I think, will have to verify exact dates), the University of Wisc.
Whitewater scheduled Mount Union for their first games to learn from
an elite program. Not only did they learn ( despite two large losses) but went on to be a major power in D3.

around that same time frame, we also scheduled St. John's and one or two NAIA ranked teams....we got our buts whipped, but we learned a lot from it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 04, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
02 Warhawk:

I work with a UWW graduate from back a ways.  I provide him with Trine updates each Monday and he returns the favor with UWW updates.  You guys are having another good year.  Heard about your 300+ yard running back - pretty amazing.  Good luck in the playoffs.  I'll be pulling for you (unless you're playing Trine, of course).   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on November 04, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
02 Warhawk:

I work with a UWW graduate from back a ways.  I provide him with Trine updates each Monday and he returns the favor with UWW updates.  You guys are having another good year.  Heard about your 300+ yard running back - pretty amazing.  Good luck in the playoffs.  I'll be pulling for you (unless you're playing Trine, of course).   ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 04, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 04, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Just to clarify my previous comments, of course I would not PREFER the MIAA representative to play MU in the post season first round game.  However, the only things that Trine and Adrain have any control over is whether they win their final 2 games.  Other than that it is all left up to the committees, boards, coaches, computers...or whatever else decides the playoff seeds!  All I am saying is that whatever draw a team gets in the first round, it is going to be a good team.  These are all teams that have won their conference or at least preformed well in a very strong conference.

So, should the MIAA representative draw MU in the 1st round I say....Bring on Mount Union.  Dont be upset, dont be scared, dont back down, and definitely dont let them win the game before it even begins.  They play on the same field we do.  they play with 11 men on the field just like we do.  and their team is made up of 18-22 year old men, just like ours!

Respect your opponents, but never fear them. 

BOYA87,

If the Trine and Adrian players have the same attitude as you, then they
have the right mental fortitude to succeed.

The committees will make the calls, but I would also want to play the best right out of the gate to see what my program has to do to grow.

In 2002-03 ( I think, will have to verify exact dates), the University of Wisc.
Whitewater scheduled Mount Union for their first games to learn from
an elite program. Not only did they learn ( despite two large losses) but went on to be a major power in D3.

around that same time frame, we also scheduled St. John's and one or two NAIA ranked teams....we got our buts whipped, but we learned a lot from it.

Now you have some activity on this MIAA board. A comment about UWW
got some ink. The former coach at UWW saw opportunities and went after
them.

A few post back, I mentioned Trine's opportunites in the playoffs, if they were 8th or higher will potentially see UWW at some point. This assumes
Mount Union is not in the North and UWW is.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on November 04, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
02 Warhawk:

I work with a UWW graduate from back a ways.  I provide him with Trine updates each Monday and he returns the favor with UWW updates.  You guys are having another good year.  Heard about your 300+ yard running back - pretty amazing.  Good luck in the playoffs.  I'll be pulling for you (unless you're playing Trine, of course).   ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 04, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 04, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 04, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Just to clarify my previous comments, of course I would not PREFER the MIAA representative to play MU in the post season first round game.  However, the only things that Trine and Adrain have any control over is whether they win their final 2 games.  Other than that it is all left up to the committees, boards, coaches, computers...or whatever else decides the playoff seeds!  All I am saying is that whatever draw a team gets in the first round, it is going to be a good team.  These are all teams that have won their conference or at least preformed well in a very strong conference.

So, should the MIAA representative draw MU in the 1st round I say....Bring on Mount Union.  Dont be upset, dont be scared, dont back down, and definitely dont let them win the game before it even begins.  They play on the same field we do.  they play with 11 men on the field just like we do.  and their team is made up of 18-22 year old men, just like ours!

Respect your opponents, but never fear them. 

BOYA87,

If the Trine and Adrian players have the same attitude as you, then they
have the right mental fortitude to succeed.

The committees will make the calls, but I would also want to play the best right out of the gate to see what my program has to do to grow.

In 2002-03 ( I think, will have to verify exact dates), the University of Wisc.
Whitewater scheduled Mount Union for their first games to learn from
an elite program. Not only did they learn ( despite two large losses) but went on to be a major power in D3.

around that same time frame, we also scheduled St. John's and one or two NAIA ranked teams....we got our buts whipped, but we learned a lot from it.

Now you have some activity on this MIAA board. A comment about UWW
got some ink. The former coach at UWW saw opportunities and went after
them.

A few post back, I mentioned Trine's opportunites in the playoffs, if they were 8th or higher will potentially see UWW at some point. This assumes
Mount Union is not in the North and UWW is.



Trine is 8th week, if the rankings hold for 2 weeks, BOYA87 may have his wish! However, the NCAA moves other teams to other regions not just a top-seed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2009, 05:37:36 PM
Don't forget that the NathCon has an AQ, yet no one in the rankings.  Their AQ, whoever it turns out to be, is almost certainly the 8th seed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 04, 2009, 07:08:04 PM
Boya,

I totally agree with your way of thinking.  Every athlete on every level dreams of playing the "top dog" in their sport.  Why not give them your best shot and see what your made of?  If ya get beat bad who cares, not like your the first or the last one.  Anything can happen on any given night.  If you happen to pull off the upset thats a story you can tell for the rest of your life.  Sure getting a win for the conference would be great but if you want to improve as a program sometimes you have to play the best to evaluate where you stand
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 05, 2009, 03:50:24 PM
There are some really interesting matchups this week.  I cant wait to get to this weekends action.  Can Adrian upset Trine and sneak into the playoffs?  Will the Alma offense get back on track against Hope?  Will Ablion's defense hold the Kzoo passing attack?  So many questions, and I cant wait for the answers!

Trine 28 - Adrian 17

Hope 24 - Alma 21

Kalamazoo 38 - Albion 14
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2009, 07:55:42 PM
My picks this week:

Trine @ Adrian - Trine

Hope @ Alma - Hope

Albion @ Kalamazoo - Albion

Olivet has a "bye" this weekend

For all of you who are traveling to the games, please drive safe and...dress warmly!  Best of luck to your teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2009, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2009, 07:55:42 PM
My picks this week:

Trine @ Adrian - Trine

Hope @ Alma - Hope

Albion @ Kalamazoo - Albion

Olivet has a "bye" this weekend

With the way Olivet's season is going, maybe you'd better pick that outcome too! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 05, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2009, 07:55:42 PM
My picks this week:

Trine @ Adrian - Trine

Hope @ Alma - Hope

Albion @ Kalamazoo - Albion

Olivet has a "bye" this weekend

For all of you who are traveling to the games, please drive safe and...dress warmly!  Best of luck to your teams.

I have hope for Hope this Saturday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
Thanks Raider 68! +k for you, our friend!  We know that we don't need hope for your MUC this weekend though! 

Also, +k for you Mr. Ypsi!  Love your levity!  BTW, best of luck to your IWU Titans this weekend as well.

Talk to you guys later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 06, 2009, 10:16:29 AM
BREAKING NEWS!

Angola Weather Forcast

The National Weather Service has issued a severe thunderstorm warning for the Angola IN area on Saturday, November 7th 2009 around 1:00 PM and dissipating around 4. This is said to be one for the record books. A storm this big hasnt been seen since 1 year ago in Adrian MI. Residents in the area please be advised.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 06, 2009, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 06, 2009, 10:16:29 AM
BREAKING NEWS!

Angola Weather Forcast

The National Weather Service has issued a severe thunderstorm warning for the Angola IN area on Saturday, November 7th 2009 around 1:00 PM and dissipating around 4. This is said to be one for the record books. A storm this big hasnt been seen since 1 year ago in Adrian MI. Residents in the area please be advised.

Hey - haven't I seen this somewhere before....?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 06, 2009, 11:32:07 AM
Those weather forecasts for severe Thunderstorms never get old.  However, Boya, I do believe it was somebody else that would announce the breaking news :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 06, 2009, 02:59:39 PM
From this week's Around The Nation, highlighting the 10 best program turnarounds of the last 10 years.

"7. Trine.
I wrote last season about the program formerly known as Tri-State's journey from reviving a dormant program in 1995 to NAIA power from 1998 through 2003 to 0-10 in Division III in 2005. Coach Matt Land's from-the-ground-up strategy was interesting after the Thunder's first nationally significant win early last season, and since then, the only losses have been in the playoffs to final four-bound Wheaton, and 30-29 in the rematch with Franklin this season. Trine is 17-2 and 13-0 in the MIAA since the start of last season, a remarkably quick turnaround for a team that surrendered 48 points a game in 2005."

Congrats to the coaching staff and the program for doing all the right things and getting a little national press.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on November 06, 2009, 03:03:13 PM
D3 Around the Nation is also believing in Trine tomorrow....

Not just a thunderstorm, but a whiteout  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 06, 2009, 09:33:31 PM
boredatwork56:

Regardless of the outcome of the Adrian v Trine game, I dont see 28 points being scored on the Adrian defense.  Time will tell, but im pretty confident in what the Adrian D can do tommorow. 

Ill be pulling into the Trine parking lot down there around 1230pm, looking forward to experiencing what I hear should be a great atmosphere and hoping that I can go home happy.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2009, 10:07:02 PM
I don't see 28 points scored total, between both teams.   :)

Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 06, 2009, 10:59:51 PM
Uncle Rico:

If last year is any guide as to how the game will go this year I will say you and me nail that prediction.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 06, 2009, 11:19:36 PM
Any Trine posters on here, heads up for if you see me around and want to say hello.  Ill be the large man with a shaved head and a goatee wearing a gray Adrian College T shirt, interlocking AC with football under if on the left chest and a long sleeve white shirt underneath.  Pretty specific but Im sure someone else will be wearing the same thing and its just a heads up as it would be nice to put some faces with names!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2009, 11:32:10 PM
Hey DAWG:

I hope you have a great time at the Trine game tomorrow and also meeting any of our Trine colleagues.  I'm sure it will be an even better time if your Adrian wins ;D.  Anyway, it is a nice town and nice campus and great field.    I hear that the weather is supposed to be very good as well tomorrow for our games.  Safe driving.

We (Hope) play up at Alma tomorrow.  It will be a nice return for me in seeing some of my colleagues there from my previous time (and my brothers school).  I expect a close game, though, as Alma is always tough against Hope at their home Bahlke Stadium. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 07, 2009, 07:16:43 AM
it would be nice if hope could put 2 wins back to back 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2009, 07:51:38 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 06, 2009, 11:19:36 PM
Any Trine posters on here, heads up for if you see me around and want to say hello.  Ill be the large man with a shaved head and a goatee wearing a gray Adrian College T shirt, interlocking AC with football under if on the left chest and a long sleeve white shirt underneath.  Pretty specific but Im sure someone else will be wearing the same thing and its just a heads up as it would be nice to put some faces with names!

Thank you for the info.  Indiana State Police have been notified and your description provided.  They will be waiting to "greet" you at the state line.    :)

Perhaps we could meet at half time under the scoreboard.  I will have a white Trine University hat on.  I have a graying goatee (I put grey in it on purpose to make me look distinguished).  Not sure what coat / shirt I will wear yet!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 07, 2009, 10:40:00 AM
Uncle Rico:

Half time under the score board should work, Ill look for the distinguished gentleman with a Trine hat and graying goatee!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 07, 2009, 05:33:42 PM
Congrats to the Trine Thunder, great game today and great job in coming up with the big plays when they were needed.  I expected to see a strong showing from both teams and I did not leave today without seeing just that.  Clearly I am disappointed with the result of the game but I can honestly say that was one of the better MIAA games I have witnessed with both teams making plays.  Adrian made a great decision when they replaced McGee with his backup Justin Hemm who came in and did a great job providing a spark to the Adrian offense and getting the ball moving, making a lot of plays with his feet and extending plays.  Trine came out firing and looked very good on both sides of the ball is well their offense is tough and I am confident they will make a good showing come the playoffs.  Both teams came out on both sides of the ball today but in the end it comes down to it being a game of inches and with 6 inches more the pass by Adrian on 4th and 6 may well have been complete and then who knows what happens.  I feel that both teams should be proud of their efforts today, while Adrian came out on the losing end, their coaching staff did what was needed to put the team in a position to win and the team never quit during the length of the game.  Trine did the same coming out playing for a title and fully realizing what was at stake, it was a pleasure to watch such a well executed football game by both teams

Play of the gamefor Trine from my point of view, the 30+ yard QB scramble for a TD by Trine was a great play by the QB and if Im not mistaken was the winning score for the game the QB is an athlete who presents some problems.  The tipped pass on 4th and 6 could also be chosen as well.

Play of the game for Adrian would have to be the interception by Austin Fritz a defensive end on a bubble screen which he ran back 57 yards to give the offense prime field position which they finished on.  I could also nominate any number of plays where Hemm scrambled to keep plays alive and keep Adrian going.

Again congrats to Trine and good luck next weekend, hopefully with a win in the final game Trine can get a solid seeing and bring home the MIAA's first playoff win since Albion in '94.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2009, 10:15:43 PM
I was there for a brief time by the scoreboard but did not see you.  If you were looking for someone distinguised that might have thrown you off!

The seating arrangements were all screwed up because they had to move the visitor bleachers to prep for the new football complex.  It would have been nice if they had waited until after this game, but sitting with some Adrian fans was not as much of an unpleasant experience as I expected.  :)  Actually I did not see any problems with the mix, everyone seemed to get along fine.

It was an exciting game.  You could feel the momentum shifts throughout the contest.  I cannot count how many times the Adrian QB slipped out of some potential sacks, and how Adrian kept converting on 3rd downs, even 3rd and longs.  As ADAWG mentioned, there were a lot of big plays made at key moments.  Gut wrenching.  

Good luck to Adrian next week!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 08, 2009, 10:23:31 AM
Uncle rico: 

I looked for you on my way back from the bathrooms at the half, but apparently it wasnt meant to be.

The stands issue was dissapointing to see that the only bleachers for Adrian fans were stuck down in the endzone.  I must admit I was disgusted to have to pay $5 for a ticket when there were no stands to sit in and while I understand they need to pour footers for the new construction, I think it is poor planning on their part to take the stands down with 2 games left in the year.  I made up for the charging of $5 by simply ignoring the posted signs and standing on the sideline though, so I guess I cant complain that much.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2009, 03:45:05 PM
Congratulations to the Trine players, coaching staff, and all of you Trine fans/alumns/supporters for winning the MIAA title and AQ.  We'll be rooting for you in the playoffs.

A tough and disappointing loss for Hope yesterday, although a much needed boost for Alma.  Congratulations to Alma's players and their coaching staff for a nice win (also construction proceeding well with the facilitiy additions and new basketball/vollyball area at Alma).  Nice crowd yesterday and beautiful weather; in all everyone was treated to a really good, close action MIAA game, a very nice day for experiencing college football.  BTW, thoughts and prayers are with the injured players from yesterday.  Although I know Hope's players, coaching staff and our fans/parents/alumns are disappointed, and especially this is not the way any of us would have liked the 100th Season Celebration to go, I and everyone encourgage them to "press on" for the final game next week and go out on a positive note that will send the seniors with just that i.e. a positive memory for their next phase in life.  A win as such would also be good confidence in beginning of planning and looking toward next year.  "Press on"...GO HOPE.

Anyone from Albion or Kazoo care to share with us your perspectives on that game yesterday?  With one more week to go in the regular season, it may be too much to ask for just one more great weather day for the games as we had yesterday ??? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 08, 2009, 04:03:13 PM
Trine's back-to-back outright MIAA Championships are the first since Albion in 1995 and 1996, at the end of their great run of 8 consecutive MIAA Championships.




Hope finishes with Kalamazoo and their annual battle for these beauties.....
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F06woodenshoes2.jpg&hash=50c0d380961d88e23714eb8d7100f88d15d9522c)

Hope's won 13 in a row and the last 4 haven't been close.........comparing results, I think you have to make Hope at least a 10 point favorite.


Hope's 3 conference losses are by a combined total of 6 points.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 08, 2009, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 08, 2009, 03:45:05 PM
Congratulations to the Trine players, coaching staff, and all of you Trine fans/alumns/supporters for winning the MIAA title and AQ.  We'll be rooting for you in the playoffs.

A tough and disappointing loss for Hope yesterday, although a much needed boost for Alma.  Congratulations to Alma's players and their coaching staff for a nice win (also construction proceeding well with the facilitiy additions and new basketball/vollyball area at Alma).  Nice crowd yesterday and beautiful weather; in all everyone was treated to a really good, close action MIAA game, a very nice day for experiencing college football.  BTW, thoughts and prayers are with the injured players from yesterday.  Although I know Hope's players, coaching staff and our fans/parents/alumns are disappointed, and especially this is not the way any of us would have liked the 100th Season Celebration to go, I and everyone encourgage them to "press on" for the final game next week and go out on a positive note that will send the seniors with just that i.e. a positive memory for their next phase in life.  A win as such would also be good confidence in beginning of planning and looking toward next year.  "Press on"...GO HOPE.

Anyone from Albion or Kazoo care to share with us your perspectives on that game yesterday?  With one more week to go in the regular season, it may be too much to ask for just one more great weather day for the games as we had yesterday ??? :)

Former3db,

Your were right, Trine wins the MIAA tow years running. Congrats to them.
Let's see if they can win a few in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 08, 2009, 08:08:23 PM
Congrats to Trine

Good season, solid play on both sides of the ball.
Strong running team, good depth and aggressive coaching,
Bring home a playoff win for the MIAA.

D3DB

You ask for a Albion VS Kazoo game summary.

Great weather, nice crowd at Kazoo.
MIAA Championship Soccer game being played up the hill in the Stadiums area.
Albion brought home a hard fought Womens MIAA Championship in a shootout after several OT's 

Albion and Kazoo played a hard hitting football game.
Albions run game was very strong, and controlled the clock strking on a couple long runs in the first quarter and controlled the first half.
To start the second half Kazoo scored on long ball control passing attack. Kazoo ran a quick pass / timing pass attack.
Albions defense generated good pressure with a mix of 4-3 and 3-5 front and a few well timed blitzes that lead to interceptions.
Albions run game and solid punting game controlled the clock adding points and keeping Kazoo starting deep in thier own zone, inside the 10 a couple times.

I have not reviewed the game stats but I would guess Kazoo threw 75-80% of the offensive plays. Kazoo ran 1 series with the Wildcat alignment no QB in the backfield. This was a change and the only real attempt to run in the game.

Albion controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, leading to a soild win.

Nice crowd, Senior day recognition of the Seniors thier Academic and Athletic accomplishments.
I always like the Tents and Charis set up right along the endzone great family atmosphere. The neighborhood around the stadium and campus is always impresive large wooded streets unique homes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 09, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
Congrats to both Trine AND Adrian on another great game!  This game was not decided until the final minutes and it was really exciting to watch!  A special thanks to "The Big Man" for some awesome weather as well this Saturday!

Trines offense looked great in the first half and had a ton of momentum going.   Their defense was also playing very strong while the starting QB #13 was in the game, but when #8 came in at QB you could really feel the momentum shift.  Adrain began driving the ball much more efficiently.  The QB added a lot to the run game and was much more ellusive against the Trine pass rush.  And then, right before the half #97 made the play of the game picking off Eric Watts bubble pass and taking it all the way to about the 10 yrd line, setting up the go ahead score.  That really took the wind out of Trines sails going into halftime!

The 2nd half was a battle through and through.  Nothing was coming easy to any team.  Really the only big play that I can remember is Eric Watts big run for a TD early in the 3rd quarter.  After that the offenses were held pretty much in check the whole half.  The final Adrian drive was an impressive one and I'd be lying if I didnt say I was nervous.  But Trines DE Chris Eichman made a huge play when he had to to put the game one ice and gave Trine the win!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2009, 10:51:46 PM
Raider:
So were the Trine guys!  Adrian did have a chance though.  They just couldn't quite finish, like the story has been all year for Hope. 

D306:
Thanks for the synopsis of the Albion/Kazoo game.  Glad to hear that there was a nice crowd at Kazoo - that is good for them.  Also, I agree with you that the tailgates behind the endzone at Angell is great and the campus and surrounding old historic homes is a really neat "old college football atmosphere".  I always enjoy the trip there.  In that regard, too bad our game against Kazoo is at Holland this week! ;)

BOYA87:
Thanks also for the further details on the Trine/Adrian game.  You guys kind of have a "breather" this weekend in a non-conference game, although obviously, the Trine players will not be taking that one lightly.  They need to keep up the enthusiasm, intensity to help further get them prepared for the playoff weekend.   Good luck this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 10, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
So if Trine wins this weekend, what seed will they get for the tournament?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 10, 2009, 01:03:10 PM
If everyone wins out, this is how I see the North Regional seedings:

1. Wisc. Whitewater
2. Wittenberg
3. Mount St. Joe
4. Illinois Wesleyan
5. Case Western Reserve
6. Trine
7. Wabash
8. Concordia (Ill.)

Then again, I never saw Trine getting a #2 seed last year.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 10, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
Isn't Whitewater in the West?  Or, are you saying they will move them?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 10, 2009, 02:07:21 PM
Let it Rain -

Yes, Whitewater is in the west.  But from everything I have read (mostly from d3football) Mount Union will move from  #1 in the North to #1 in the East, Whitewater from #2 in the West to #1 in the North.  This would leave St. Johns as #1 in the West and Wesley #1 in the South. 

This would put the four teams widely regarded as the teams worthy of #1 seeds in different brackets.  A similar situation happened ast year when Mount Union moved from the North to the East regional
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 10, 2009, 04:17:35 PM
Interesting.  I knew about moving Mt. Union out East like they did last year but hadn't seen the speculation about moving Whitewater to the North.  Thanks for taking the time to explain it.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 11, 2009, 11:09:44 AM
A couple other things I wanted to mention about this weekends MIAA Championship game.

First off, my apologies to any Adrian fans that thought Trine might have been rude or inconsiderate with the placement of the visiting teams bleachers.  When I arrived at the game I was shocked to see the visitors bleachers placed in the south endzone.  The reason I learned is that Trine started construction on the new stadium this week and it required those bleachers to be moved.  I hope all you Adrian fans at the game still had a decent view of the action and my apologies for any inconvenience it may have caused.

Lastly I just wanted to give a shout out to Adrian running back Mike Johnson.  Johnson started his college career at Tri-State University his freshman year.  I played with Mike that year and there couldnt be a nicer guy from the time I spent with him.  I was suprised to see him still playing this year since I thought last year was his senior year just like mine, but perhaps he took a year off somewhere in there.  But however it was nice to see him have such a good game.  He gave Trine fits all day running the ball.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 11, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
BOYA87:

I understand the bleachers needing to be moved for construction, it just seems like very bad timing to do it with two games and especially when the main reason I heard was that they needed to pour the footers before the ground froze, the ground freezing being a ways off still.  I cant speak to the view from the endzone as I simply walked onto the sideline to watch the game the view from there was fantastic though, outcome not so much.  I am curious to see the new stands on the visitors side as in speaking with a Trine coach I know after the game I got a bit better idea of what they were doing locker rooms, offices etc it all seems to be top notch.  When did Trine build those condo type building located off of summit street?  Those things appear to be a wonderful asset for students there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 11, 2009, 03:16:36 PM
The construction of all those new "dorms" began about 2 years ago.  I say "dorms" because technically thats what they are but they are more like apartments.  The quality of housing has improved so much the past few years with all of the new apartment style on campus housing as well as fraternities building brand new, LARGE houses just off campus.  Soon there wont be any more of the traditional style "dorms" with community bathrooms and all that jazz.  I'd be willing to bet Trine has some of the finest campus housing in the country.

Thanks for noticing our campus changes  :)

But I agree that the timing is a little odd to move the bleachers with 2 HOME GAMES left in the season!  But I'm sure they have their reasons.  Im just excited to see what the finished stadium will look like next year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 11, 2009, 05:14:18 PM
First Boya, like always, I need to correct you.  It is MYKE Johnson who gave Trine fits all day running the ball.  And, he is only a junior this year because well he took two years off.  But you are right he is one of the nicest guys I have ever met.  He definately would have been a nice asset to have around and Trine but he is sticking to his guns at Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 11, 2009, 06:50:53 PM
BOYA87:

Thats an amazing commitment by Trine to give students what they want in terms of a living situation. I  enjoyed living in the dorms in college, but also enjoyed living off campus once I got the chance.  If there was a way to combine the two that would be a huge boon to college students.  I too will be curious to see the finished product at Trine, as I stated before it sounds like they are doing it big and from what I can tell with the rest of the campus that is nothing but the truth.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 12, 2009, 12:26:41 PM
Here is a question! If Trine does not play Wabash in the first round, how
far can they go in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 12, 2009, 01:45:38 PM
I know its just for speculation and guessing sake, but I dont want to touch that question at all!

its been a long while (anyone know how many years?) since the MIAA has even gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.  So just like the team will look at it, so will I.  1 game at a time.

I am very much looking forward to seeing who Trine will be facing when they brackets come out on Sunday.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 12, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
The MIAA has not won a playoff game since 1994, the year Albion went on to win the Stagg Bowl.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 12, 2009, 06:01:02 PM
The MIAA is 2-17 in first round NCAA games........Albion owns the only two wins in 93 and 94.  Overall playoff record of 5-18.....all 5 wins by Albion.

Since the first NCAA tournament appearance by Albion in 1977 the MIAA has failed to  qualify a team 13 times.

Overall records
Albion 5-7
Hope 0-4
Alma 0-3
Adrian 0-2
Olivet 0-1
Trine 0-1
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2009, 06:39:06 PM
Great reseached stats sac!  Thanks for sharing those with us.  However, also don't forget that at least a couple of MIAA teams were "snubbed" by the NCAA selection committee before the current "AQ system" due to the NCAA's old and rather ridiculous rule about not taking two teams from the same region.  Both Hope's undefeated team back in 1984 as well as Adrian one of those years in the 1980's were ranked in the top 10 nationally in the final poll, but were not chosen for one of the then 8 playoff spots.  As I mentioned over on the NCAC board among some of the discussions there on this topic, that also happend to a top-3 ranked Wabash College team one year as well back in about 1982.  A real travesty, but then, that's just the way it is (or was ;)).

I do hope that Trine can break the unfortunate streak this year and win at least one game.  Of course, they really first need to concentrate on their last game this Sat, the non-conference one so that they can be focused and have a good positive start for that following week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 12, 2009, 09:51:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 12, 2009, 06:39:06 PM
Great reseached stats sac!  Thanks for sharing those with us.  However, also don't forget that at least a couple of MIAA teams were "snubbed" by the NCAA selection committee before the current "AQ system" due to the NCAA's old and rather ridiculous rule about not taking two teams from the same region.  Both Hope's undefeated team back in 1984 as well as Adrian one of those years in the 1980's were ranked in the top 10 nationally in the final poll, but were not chosen for one of the then 8 playoff spots.  As I mentioned over on the NCAC board among some of the discussions there on this topic, that also happend to a top-3 ranked Wabash College team one year as well back in about 1982.  A real travesty, but then, that's just the way it is (or was ;)).

I do hope that Trine can break the unfortunate streak this year and win at least one game.  Of course, they really first need to concentrate on their last game this Sat, the non-conference one so that they can be focused and have a good positive start for that following week.

Former3db,

Trine has a chance to win that first one, if they are seeded 4/5. A win for them would really help the MIAA with only a 2-17 record in the playoffs!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2009, 11:00:29 PM
Raider 68:

I think you are right.  Although in one sense I kind of hate to see the committee "orchestrate" (maneuver, manipulate, steer, influence or whatever term we would choose to use for this ;D) the course and/or outcome of the playoffs (to what degree that could be done for what it's worth ;)), on the other hand, we (MIAA) can use all the help we can get!! ;D  But yes, a Trine win would be very exciting and again, I think it is very possible this time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2009, 03:58:25 PM
What, it's Friday and you people haven't posted anything today?  What goes? ??? ;D

Anyway, here are my picks for tomorrow's season ending games (except for Trine, of course):

Olivet @ Adrian - Adrian

Kentucky Christian @ Trine - Trine

Alma @ Albion - Alma

Kalamazoo @ Hope - Hope


The weather is predicted to be nice again, which is strange for this time of year (as others have also mentioned on some of the other boards), although most welcome.  I wish all the seniors the best tomorrow in their final games as well as the same for the next phase of their lives.  At Hope, it is the Annual Parent's Day game in addition to the battle for the Wooden Shoes Trophy between the two teams.  Anyway, you fans and parents have a safe drive and enjoy the day - as you know, there is only one time for these events, but, of course, the memories will last a lifetime.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 14, 2009, 08:20:55 AM
Olivet @ Adrian   Adrian wins to send the seniors out winners

Kentucky Christian @ Trine    Trine (they need this for seeding)
 
Alma @ Albion  Alma

Kzoo @ Hope   Hope (though I think Kzoo could pull an upset.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2009, 09:51:04 AM
I agree with your picks and reasoning DAWG.  Also, were it not for our supporting our respective alma mater MIAA teams, the game to have been going to in person today would be The Monon Bell Game at DePauw vs. Wabash.  Probably about 11,000 in attendance expected there.  Regardless of where you, I and our colleagues will be today, it appears it will be a very nice day weatherwise for football to wrap up the season for most of the DIII teams.  I'll bet, however, that the playoffs will have some cold, rainy (and perhaps maybe some snow flurries) weather at some point!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 14, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 14, 2009, 09:51:04 AM
I agree with your picks and reasoning DAWG.  Also, were it not for our supporting our respective alma mater MIAA teams, the game to have been going to in person today would be The Monon Bell Game at DePauw vs. Wabash.  Probably about 11,000 in attendance expected there.  Regardless of where you, I and our colleagues will be today, it appears it will be a very nice day weatherwise for football to wrap up the season for most of the DIII teams.  I'll bet, however, that the playoffs will have some cold, rainy (and perhaps maybe some snow flurries) weather at some point!

former3db,

I hope you are wrong about your last weather sentence!! ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 14, 2009, 12:00:14 PM
formerd3db:

I agree, alma maters aside I would like to attend some of the more notable DIII games in the country and as you said its a beautiful day for football went for a run this morning and it was brisk but has rounded into a beautiful day, suns shining, the birds are singing kick off is at 6pm for the Bulldogs so it should be a good atmosphere for a game!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2009, 06:05:11 PM
its like......the best November ever man. ;D

the scores so far.....

Albion 60, Alma 10
Hope 45, Kalamazoo 33
Trine 36, Kentucky Christian 21
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2009, 08:18:34 PM
Raider 68:
Yes, actually I hope I am wrong about that too!  Congrats on your Mount Union's fine season so far - they smashed Marietta today.  I'll say good luck to them in the playoffs, however, they probably won't need it.

DAWG:
Glad you enjoyed the run this AM.  Indeed, it was a beautiful day.  You are probably at the game right now, which is probably in the second half already.  I doubt Adrian will have much trouble with Olivet.

Well, as far as the other games today:  I was totally dumbfounded about the Alma-Albion score.  Albion simply smashed Alma, which I am surprised after seeing Alma against us last weekend and, of course, us having beat Albion.  My brother went to the Alma game (his alma mater) and texted me during that time (which was about the 3rd quarter of our game) and when he related to me what was going on at Sprankle-Sprandle Stadium, I couldn't believe it - neither could he. :( :-[  He said that mistakes, turnovers, etc., were killing Alma.   Not a good way to go out of the season, especially after last week.  However, I guess that is how the season has been going for Alma, similar to Hope's.

Regarding Hope's game, the final score was not really indicative of the game.  While both teams combined for over 1,000 yards, Hope pretty much dominated Kazoo.  The only aspect was in the 4th quarter, I felt that our defense let down a bit and Kazoo scored twice, moving the ball quite easily down the field.  Unfortunately, again, our secondary had a tough time.  I will give Kazoo credit as they didn't give up and showed some signs that they have a base for improvement, as many people have commented on earlier this year.  They just need a few more key players.  BTW, two of the hardest hits I've seen in a long time in a small college game occurred today - both by Hope players on Kazoo players.  As for Hope, it was a nice, positive way to go out of this season for Coach Kreps, his staff, and the team, especially, the seniors - always nice to win the last game of one's career.  It was obviously not exactly the season we wanted for the 100 Years Celebration of Hope College Football, but..."that's the way it goes".  Anyway, for Hope, it is now looking on to 2010.

Trine won quite easily it appears and as I mentioned, that is a good start in gearing up for next weekend's playoff game.  We'll see tomorrow who they draw.  Although the season is done for the rest of our MIAA teams, let's have you all keep this board going in the off-season.  We've had some great discussions and posts on here and perhaps the most activity we've had in a couple of years or so.  Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
I forgot to add that congratulations are in order to Hope's RB Tim Elzinga who went over the 1000 yard rushing mark for the season today.  He finished with 1038 rushing yards according to the MIAA stats and that, indeed, is a tremendous accopmplishment for a 10 game season.  Of course, one can't do that without a great offensive line in front of him and certainly credit is due to those guys up front who blocked for Elzinga.  So congratulations - that is great.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 14, 2009, 09:43:53 PM
Alma had numerous bad plays today, unsportsmen conduct calls, roughing the kicker.
I also think Albion running game has been improving all year the last 2 weeks, Clinton Orr has been healthy after missing some games and it shows 187 yards or so last week 305 yards today from a freshman running back. Multiple 50+ yard TD's both weeks, 90 yard TD today.

I did not understand the Alma defensive plan, run blitzed numerous times. The zone blocking from Albion, good vision and pateince lead to these long runs from both RB and FB. Clear the initial wave of players and it was a foot race to the endzone Orr is extremely fast no chance to catch him if he is in full stride.

Albion's defense has been strong all year, and playing with a lead the last 2 weeks let the defense cut loose, leading to pressure, sacks, hurried throws and several interceptions even another pick 6.

Great weather and family day at Albion, large crowd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2009, 10:01:46 PM
D306:

Thanks for the further "rundown" on the game.  Yes, it was nice to see that such a good (larger) crowd was at Albion (about 3200), especially and also somewhat surprising, since this was the season finaldespite their season record and less attendance at their earlier home games of the season. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 14, 2009, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 14, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
I forgot to add that congratulations are in order to Hope's RB Tim Elzinga who went over the 1000 yard rushing mark for the season today.  He finished with 1038 rushing yards according to the MIAA stats and that, indeed, is a tremendous accopmplishment for a 10 game season.  Of course, one can't do that without a great offensive line in front of him and certainly credit is due to those guys up front who blocked for Elzinga.  So congratulations - that is great.

former3db,

Great wins for Trine and your alma mater, Congrats!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 14, 2009, 10:38:41 PM
Adrian wins 45-20.

Rumor is that Lyall and the staff will be dismissed, further information coming as the situation updates but there are some shady circumstances surrounding the decision etc.  I have a post prepared but would like to get it confirmed before I let fly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2009, 02:44:04 AM
Hey DAWG:

Rumors to that sort have been reported for the past 3-4 years or so, as you well know.  We've heard some rumors "from the back of the room" from some unknown people who have suggested that Kreps be let go at Hope also, which would be a huge, misguided mistake.  I believe the same applies to Lyall and his staff at Adrian.  People have to look at more than the W-L record of a coach - and more to what he has contributed to the lives and development of his players as persons for their future lives.

Of course, everyone wants to win, but if that is the all important aspect at DIII (which it obviously isn't nor should ever be), then even the smallest of DIII schools who traditionally have terrible seasons should be firing their coaches with regularity.  That usually doesn't happen, although some might suggest that is because it is difficult to get coaches to take those jobs with the exception of younger upcoming coaches just starting their careers and who want/need that first head coaching position.  On the other hand, at some DIII schools it has happened as is well known (and several examples can be cited in the OAC and MIAA even in the last couple of decades).  IMO, I think that overall, for someone like Lyall, who has been there for many years, just to use that as an example, should be left to finish out their career as head man i.e. step down at their own decision, unless they have done something egregeous, which to my knowlegde he has not.  Of course, critics will point out that there comes a time to make a change, to change attitude and direction, however, IMO (from what little I know about the situation at your Adrian), that doesn't/shouldn't wash - unless, again, there is some underlying event that has occurred.  Yet, as we all know, politics can and does at times rear its ugly head even at DIII.

One last aspect (and this is just some friendly advice as a friend and fellow poster); if I were you, I would not post "your posts/comments" until after any potential announcement is made, and even then, make sure you note which part of it is your own personal opinion as well as make sure any info you post about any underlying "subterfuge" - if any occurred at all - is for sure the the truth.  You do not want to be accused of slander/liable, etc.  Anyway, we'll await to see what happens.  It is late, uh, I mean early AM, so "I'm out for now until later today"!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 15, 2009, 12:25:50 PM
nice to see hope win there final game this year  and would to say good luck in the playoffs to trine hope they can go far in the ncaa playoffs
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 15, 2009, 12:33:53 PM
formerd3db:

I wouldnt post anything further until I had confirmation, still waiting on that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 15, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
As I sit here waiting for 230 to arrive and the D3 selection show, I saw on D3.com that Trine is projected as a 7 seed.  I was a little suprised at that but hopefully when the decision is announced it is more favorable!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 15, 2009, 03:56:58 PM
Looks like Trine will be traveling to Clevelend to take on Case Wester.  I've been trying to find any info on them that I can online, but does anyone have a take on them?  They are obviously very good with a 31 regular season game winning streak and ranked 9 in the nation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2009, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 15, 2009, 03:56:58 PM
Looks like Trine will be traveling to Clevelend to take on Case Wester.  I've been trying to find any info on them that I can online, but does anyone have a take on them?  They are obviously very good with a 31 regular season game winning streak and ranked 9 in the nation.

You should go over to the other boards (CWRU's and perhaps the UAA also) and ask some of the regular posters there.  I'm sure they will share with you some info.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 15, 2009, 08:37:19 PM
It is a dark dark day for Adrian College football...

http://www.lenconnect.com/sports/x870215258/BREAKING-NEWS-Adrian-College-parts-ways-with-football-coach-Jim-Lyall

Its official, Jim Lyall was terminated at 2pm this afternoon.  As of now I am aware of 5 coaches having been terminated, Lyall, Hancock, Embry, Evans, Johnston.  I do not have word either way as to whether the other two Deere, Haines have been retained at this point but will update when i find out more.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 15, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
The above article mentions it but it appears that Jim Deere has been named the new head coach, there will be a press release tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 15, 2009, 03:56:58 PM
Looks like Trine will be traveling to Clevelend to take on Case Wester.  I've been trying to find any info on them that I can online, but does anyone have a take on them?  They are obviously very good with a 31 regular season game winning streak and ranked 9 in the nation.

You can watch:

http://www.youtube.com/user/case#p/search/2/oBtoC2xgfnE
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 16, 2009, 07:05:15 AM
Adrian Coaching Change

The change in direction and coachs at Adrian is not all that surprising.
The monies spent for the new Stadiums, numerous high ranked recruits coming to the program, the level of talent was high we are told by the reviews each year.
The unexplained flat play during several games this year, poor home record this year.

I also think the sudden success at Trine / Tri-State has lite a fire under the Admin. at Adrian.

I am not close enough to the program to say if these criticisms are fair and accurate, I will leave that to those closer to the team.

I would like to thank the coachs for thier many years of hard work and success in the MIAA. They have had a significant influence on many young men.

I think Trine's success has sent a "shock - wave" through several programs.
The long time founders and members of the MIAA, should be looking hard at themselves and ask are we doing all we can, while staying in the framework of what the MIAA is all about, Academic Performance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 16, 2009, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 15, 2009, 08:37:19 PM
It is a dark dark day for Adrian College football...

http://www.lenconnect.com/sports/x870215258/BREAKING-NEWS-Adrian-College-parts-ways-with-football-coach-Jim-Lyall

Its official, Jim Lyall was terminated at 2pm this afternoon.  As of now I am aware of 5 coaches having been terminated, Lyall, Hancock, Embry, Evans, Johnston.  I do not have word either way as to whether the other two Deere, Haines have been retained at this point but will update when i find out more.


Wow...i have a lot of respect for coach Lyall and obviously Embry since i played with him.  nothing like letting go of a 20 year Head Coach after back to back 2nd place finishes.  when did Adrian become Notre Dame expecting perfection every year?  especially considering there have been some really bad years that they never took action on.  not much of change foing to someone who has been on staff for 17 years...Rodriguez should be looking for a job in another week after the Bucks leave Ann Arbor
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 16, 2009, 08:05:27 AM
First, a congratulations to all of the players and families who just played or watched their sons played their last games.  Playing four years of college football is an incredible accomplishment, and all of the memories made will be cherished long after the playing days are through.

I heard the rumblings about the Adrian coaching change shortly after the Trine game.  As a player that went through a complete coaching overhaul at Trine, I can say that a fresh face at the head of the football program can completly turn a program around.  Adrian isnt nearly as low as the Tri-State team was when the coaching staff was replaced, so perhaps the turnaround will be a quick one.

For all of you wondering about Case Western Reserve and the playoff matchup against Trine:  Case has a very good offense, ranked 7th in the nation with 478 ypg.  The offense is lead by a passing attack ranked 7th in the nation.  They put up some big numbers scoring 44 ppg.  Thats good enough for 3rd in the country.  They have a balanced offense as far as ball distribution.  No one player has dominating stats rushing or catching the ball.  the quarter back is ranked 2nd in passing efficiency.  The defense is above average ranked 53rd.

They are impressive statistically, but they have been largly untested this season.  They have only played one team with a winning record.  That was a 14 point win against 5-4 Chicago.  That was also their closest game of the season.  Their opponents winning percentage is very poor, ranked 213th in the nation.  For comparison, Trine had the 98th toughest schedule. it will be interesting to see if the big numbers are a product of a very weak schedule, or the product of a very good team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on November 16, 2009, 09:15:38 AM
Congrats to Trine.

First, Case has a very different and neat stadium ... with dorms integrated into and looking out on the field.  They are good hosts.

Second, Case has an outstanding QB with receivers to match.  Wabash beat them the last two times we met (both times at their field) but it was a barn burner both times.  They are hungry - as we got them out ogf the playoffs each time - so bring your "A" game.  Stop their QB and their "all World" LB and you will have a chance ... but play sloppy and bad things will happen ... they are that good and will take advantage.

Good luck.  Great to see three teams from Indiana in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2009, 12:48:52 PM
D306:

"The monies spent for the new Stadiums, numerous high ranked recruits coming to the program, the level of talent was high we are told by the reviews each year.
The unexplained flat play during several games this year, poor home record this year."

The money spent was great but the fact of the matter is that Jim Lyall, his accomplishments and the connections and relationships are a large part of what built that stadium the same goes for the talent without lyall it wasnt going to be there when the stadium was built.  The fact of the matter is that this is Division III football.  Lyall was 55-25 in the  last 8 years a 69% winning percentage, finished second in the MIAA for the last two season after taking Trine to the wire each year.  If Trines success is now going to result in a win at all costs atmosphere than I would hate to see that happen.  Lyall still had the players and still had the program, 100 or so players were there to see him off with much applause.  I may look at it differently but I feel the role of a division III coach should be as a recruiter and molder of men something that coach lyall did in spades.  The reason he is gone is because he did not win a title in the 4 years that the new administration took over, if the MIAA gets in the process of getting rid of coaches for not winning titles in 4 year spans than I for one dont want to be associated with it anymore.  Coach Lyall was the embodiment of what an MIAA and Division III coach should be, he won, he recruited, he shaped the lives of young men, he fund raised, and he made sure we all graduated.  I dont know what more one can realistically expect.  Sometimes you win the big one sometimes you dont, but by the standard set at Adrian Cole, Kreps, Rundle and others wouldnt have a job if they worked at Adrian.

70_dc_alum:

I agree the focus was on winning far to heavily and not on the other aspects that make a coach successful.  There were many lean years, I was part of a couple but coach Lyall was able to recruit and bring the talent in then to turn it around and since then Adrian has been a top MIAA .  I would agree that it seems to be change for the sake of change by bringing someone in that played and coached under Lyall.  I can say that I feel that Deere will do a very good job as he shares the same type of passion that great coaches posses.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 16, 2009, 01:46:41 PM
It is sad to see such a long standing coach at a long standing program have to leave the MIAA.  To coach as long as Lyall did and still be achieving success in the MIAA should not be seen as a failure.  I do understand how a new face can reenergize a program and a campus, but its still sad to see a new administration get rid of an old coach just because he hasnt "won the big one" in 4 years.

As far as Case Western goes, I watched some film on them and they look very quick and talented.  Their QB has an absolute cannon for an arm and seems like he likes to throw on the run a lot.  Trine has always struggled against strong passing teams defensively using a sort of "bend dont break" method of play.  However I feel like they have been much stronger against the pass after moving former DB Matt Curry to outside linebacker.  He adds better speed and coverage in those underneath zones which is helpful and our D line and inside backers always do a good job of stopping the run.  I dont know if I will get to make it to Clevelend this weekend but I certainly cant wait to see how the game goes.  I think Trine has a great opportunity to get a win in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometFan on November 16, 2009, 02:09:22 PM
First time poster....A little late in the season, I know.  Sorry about that.  Just wanted to get opinions on this d3 senior classic.  As far as I know, 2 young men from Olivet and 2 from Kalamazoo have been selected.  Any thoughts or opinions on this situation.  Congratulations to these seniors. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2009, 02:43:06 PM
This is the one in Salem on Dec. 5? We're kind of taking a wait-and-see approach ourselves. Depends on who the players are and how good the product is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2009, 04:58:04 PM
Coach Lyall is a class coach/gentlemen (even his longtime friend and former staff coach Adrian AD Duffy said the same as quoted in the article).  I am sad to see this change and, while I do not know the particulars of why and how the process was done (i.e. how it was handled by the college administration), as an "outsider", I don't agree with it.  All I can say is that if the new head coach Deere doesn't win an MIAA title in the next 2-3 years, are they going to be consistent and hold him to the same standards?  Nothing personal against Deere since I don't know him and I'm sure he is a fine coach, but while his defense was highly ranked as metioned in the article, Adrian didn't stop some teams to win some games - in that regard, I guess they don't count that as being a part of the need for change. ???  That is puzzling to me as was the decision also to not open the search for a head coach to the outside intially if they wanted a "big change", although certainly include Deere as a candidate in the intial search.  While rumors were abound around the league about this coming down, still, I'm shocked.  I know some other Adrian alumns are not happy with this decision either.  It will be interesting to see where Lyall may end up if he decides to continue his coaching career.  It will also be even more interesting to see how Adrian fairs next year.  

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 16, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
Best wishes to coach Lyall.  It's disappointing to see anybody let go that way.  I also wonder how this changes the tone in the MIAA.  Time will tell.

Good luck to Trine in the playoffs!  It's an interesting matchup.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2009, 05:01:39 PM
Hey CometFan, welcome to the board!  You should have joined in earlier this season, unless there was some underlying reason that would have precluded you from doing so i.e. within the rules here! ;)  Anyway, we'll look forward to your contributions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2009, 08:11:16 PM
What Really happened to Jim Lyall:

After the game Saturday night the staff was informed by Coach Rainey and Fogarty that they would need to meet with the head of HR in the classroom under the stadium. At that meeting they were given letters explaining that there would be meetings on Sunday regarding their employment. No one from administration was present and they pawned the job of breaking the news off to the baseball coach (Rainey) and hockey coach (Fogarty). Sunday at 2pm Lyall met with the HR director and athletic director no explanation was given for the dismissal and none was asked for to prevent giving validity to what they were trying to do. The meeting was brief, by 2:15 Lyall was back and cleaning out his office with the help of alumni and some seniors, all the coaches who were let go were also out of their offices and the Merrilat Center by Sunday evening. As Lyall was cleaning his office out they had a campus safety officer present to escort coach Lyall off of college property.  Coach Lyall always taught us as players and as a coach when I worked under him to have character and integrity, something that was lacking in the colleges actions on Saturday and Sunday.  When Coach Lyall finished cleaning out his office he left the offices to find roughly 100 players and numerous alumni waiting for him which he received extended applause from. Through it all Coach Lyall still never lost the players or the team and that is truly the only reason that a coach at the Division III with his success should be let go and left Adrian College with nothing but positive words for the players and a positive attitude despite the misfortune that was heaped upon him today.  Coach Lyall deserved far better treatment than the administration decided to give him.

Part of me wants to be happy for Coach Deere as I have known him to be a good man and an excellent coach who I think has the potential to do good things at Adrian College.  The hire was the best possible outcome of a terrible decision making process that will give the program and the players some stability which is what it is all about.  At the same time I do not know that I will ever be able to forgive Adrian College for what it has done to Jim Lyall, he was and still is Adrian College football.  If there was such a pressing need to be rid of Coach Lyall and wipe the slate clean as they have than I am a bit confused still to this point as to how that was done by bringing in a coach who played for and worked under Lyall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2009, 08:40:59 PM
Despite the above post, and the disgust I feel with the way Jim Lyall was let go so callously I do support the hiring of Jim Deere as the head coach in the aftermath.  Jim Deere is a good man and one of the two smartest football minds I have ever met in my life.  He will carry on the love of the college and the program that Jim Lyall had as the head coach and bring  an enthusiasm that I know well to the sidelines and practice.  If there is one silver lining from this situation it is that a coach so competent and able as Deere will get a chance to show what he can do as he toiled in the background at Adrian for years.  I hope that Jim Deere can pick up and not miss a beat where Jim Lyall left off, hopefully he can win a championship as that appears to be the only bench mark that matters.  He has three years to do it and I hope that I can see him accomplish this so that he does not have to even think of suffering the same fate as his predecessor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2009, 11:14:46 PM
DAWG:

Of course, I (and I'm sure others) wish Deere all the best too in his new position.  However, let's hope that he is able to "not be looking over his shoulder all the time" in the next year or so.  Some big shoes to fill and some high expectations.  Then, I guess, every new head coach faces the same no matter what school it is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on November 17, 2009, 01:43:44 AM
I shake my head at this and wonder why the change was made.  I mean really, why was this needed?  Sad day in the MIAA. 

ADAWG:  Jim Deere, the new head coach, didn't he have a pony tail coaching a couple of years ago?  If so, I never thought he'd be in control, not saying a guy with a pony tail couldn't be a head coach, but from the sounds of it, the president at AC probably wouldn't let the pony tail back on the sidelines, LOL.  I remember some great stories provided about that guy from friends that played with him.  Congrats to him!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 17, 2009, 07:38:18 AM
HOF: 

Coach deere did have the pony tail and a glorious pony tail it was!  I wish he could grow it back but the admin doesnt like long hair or facial hair so thats not an option.  Hes a great man who will do a great job, like I said I just hope he has the success the admin wants so he doesnt have to look over his shoulder as formerd3db stated.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 18, 2009, 08:10:52 AM
Congratlations to all the players recognized as all conference selections.  Expecially to all the Trine players who are well represented again this year, and to Eric Watt who won the offensive player of the year

All-MIAA First Team
Offense
QB – Eric Watt, Trine** (junior from Kentland, Ind./South Newton HS)
RB – Kent Biller, Trine* (sophomore from Nappanee, Ind./NorthWood HS)
RB – Tim Elzinga, Hope* (junior from Grand Rapids/GR South Christian HS)
WR – Andrew Schaar, Alma** (junior from DeWitt/DeWitt HS)
WR – Kyle Dietrich, Hope* (junior from Gobles/Gobles HS)
WR – Jimmy Semelsberger, Kalamazoo** (senior from Bloomfield Hills/Lahser HS)
TE – Nick Leeman, Trine* (senior from Noblesville, Ind./Hamilton Heights HS)
OL – Cameron Reichow, Albion** (senior from Albion/Albion HS)
OL – Kelly Durr, Alma* (senior from Bad Axe/Bad Axe HS)
OL – Josh Droppers, Hope* (sophomore from Kalamazoo/Portage Northern HS)
OL – James Greenlee, Trine (senior from Columbus, Ind./North HS)
OL – Bryce Sims, Trine* (junior from Columbia City, Ind./Columbia City HS)
* - Number of years All-MIAA First Team

Defense
DL – Gino Panza, Adrian** (senior from Monroe/Jefferson HS)
DL – Charles Green, Albion* (senior from Chattanooga, Tenn./The McCallie School)
DL – Austin Rodgers, Albion** (junior from Dexter/Chelsea HS)
DL – Matt Medina, Trine* (junior from Decatur, Ind./Adams Central HS)
LB – Jared Kwiatowski, Adrian* (junior from Warren/Cousino HS)
LB – Zach Jones, Hope* (junior from Three Rivers/Three Rivers HS)
LB – Brandon Foutz, Kalamazoo* (senior from Grand Blanc/Grand Blanc HS)
LB – Jake Vance, Trine* (junior from Fenton/Lake Fenton HS)
DB – John Parvin, Adrian* (senior from White Lake/Walled Lake Northern HS)
DB – Chris Greenwood, Albion* (sophomore from Detroit/Martin Luther King HS)
DB – Kyle Warren, Hope* (junior from Grandville/Hudsonville Unity Chrisitan HS)
DB – Aaron Selking, Trine* (junior from Decatur, Ind./Adams Central HS)

Specialists
K – Jeremy Howard, Trine** (junior from Elkhart, Ind./Concord HS)
P – Ryan Patten, Olivet*** (senior from Charlotte/Charlotte HS)
RS – Andrew Schaar, Alma* (junior from DeWitt/DeWitt HS)


All-MIAA Second Team
Offense
QB – Brandon Luczak, Kalamazoo (senior from Rochester Hills/Rochester HS)
RB – Clinton Orr, Albion (freshman from Buchanan/Buchanan HS)
RB – Mike Martin, Olivet (sophomore from Caledonia/Wayland HS)
WR – Eric Suttie, Adrian (senior from Sylvania, Ohio/Northview HS)
WR – Paul Curtis, Trine (junior from Cassopolis/Ross Beatty HS)
WR – Mario Brown, Trine (sophomore from Battle Creek/Battle Creek Central HS)
TE – Nick Hemmingsen, Adrian (senior from Clinton Twp./Chippewa Valley HS)
OL – Brett Rude, Albion (senior from Waterford/Kettering HS)
OL – Shane Jesiel, Albion (freshman from Sterling Heights/Henry Ford II HS)
OL - Jared Andrzejewski, Kalamazoo (senior from Saint Johns/Saint Johns HS)
OL - Deryck Jefferies, Trine (senior from Fort Wayne, Ind./Homestead HS)
OL – Tyler Terry, Trine (junior from Stroh, Ind./Prairie Heights HS)

Defense
DL - Austin Fritz, Adrian (junior from Ayersville, Ohio/Ayersville HS)
DL – Justin Judd, Adrian (junior from Grosse Ile/Grosse Ile HS)
DL – Jeremy Green, Albion (junior from Chattanooga, Tenn./The McCallie School)
DL – Cody Stripling, Alma (senior from Haslett/Haslett HS)
LB – Danny Taylor, Adrian (junior from Commerce Twp./White Lake Lakeland HS)
LB – Conrad Bovee, Alma (sophomore from Ithaca/Ithaca HS)
LB – Chris Behnke, Olivet (junior from Bellevue/Olivet HS)
LB – Aaron Shoemaker, Trine (sophomore from Onsted/Onsted HS)
DB – Jacob Lee, Albion (senior from Spring Lake/Spring Lake HS)
DB – Robbie Moffett, Albion (junior from Chelsea/Chelsea HS)
DB – Bart Blystone, Alma (senior from Mount Pleasant/Mount Pleasant HS)
DB - Ryan Rickaby, Trine (sophomore from Adrian/Adrian HS)

Specialists
K – Justin Warner, Adrian (senior from Paw Paw/Paw Paw HS)
P – Mychal Galla, Albion (junior from Muskegon/Catholic Central HS)
RS – Joey Beehler, Adrian (senior from Wakarusa, Ind./Mishawaka Penn HS)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on November 18, 2009, 12:10:44 PM
And out of those 15 Trine players listed, only 3 are seniors.....   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 18, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
I vaguely remember this topic being discussed last year around playoff time, but for those who my not know, or those who need a refresher, I will pose the question again.

Why does the NCAA limit the number of players allowed to dress to in the playoffs to less than in regular season road games?  Is this due to travel costs?  I think this rule hurts deep teams that use a lot of players either in rotations or on special teams, by forcing them to leave kids home that contribute on a weekly basis.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind this rule?  Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2009, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 18, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
I vaguely remember this topic being discussed last year around playoff time, but for those who my not know, or those who need a refresher, I will pose the question again.

Why does the NCAA limit the number of players allowed to dress to in the playoffs to less than in regular season road games?  Is this due to travel costs?  I think this rule hurts deep teams that use a lot of players either in rotations or on special teams, by forcing them to leave kids home that contribute on a weekly basis.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind this rule?  Any other thoughts?

Since the NCAA picks up the tab in the playoffs, I'm sure you correctly guessed that it is holding down costs.  While some players who might have seen action during garbage time in a blow-out may be left home, I seriously doubt any team uses SO many players during competitive games that any such player is absent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 18, 2009, 02:19:56 PM
Mr. Ypsi-

Thanks for clearing up the reasoning.  But I know that players who contribute get left off of the playoff rosters.  Just an example:  A second string linebacker who has started games this season and gets regular playing time gets left off for a 4th string linebacker who is on kickoff.  In these situations, one contributing player has to be left home no matter how the coaches decide to cut the roster. 

I'm sure these are some of the hardest decsions of the season for the coaching staff and I wouldnt want to be in their situation.  The emotion must run high for both the players and coaches when these situations come about.  It must be a tough pill to swallow knowing that someone who has played in ten games in a season wont be there with his teammates in the most important game of the season.

I guess this is the unfortunate reality that happens when playoffs roll around.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2009, 09:47:12 PM
BAW and Mr. Ypsi:

Valid comments absolutely.  Indeed, this topic has been discussed on the boards in past years.  I won't reiterate all those aspects but rather share this.  I agree with yuo BAW in your opinion, although other people do not agree with us.  When I first found out about this rule several years ago (in watching the Stagg Bowl), essentially the same situation had occured regarding some players who had to be left off the roster.  I wrote a personal letter to the NCAA President (who was a former Albion College student-athlete) inquiring about this.  He did not have the courtesy to reply to me, but rather had his "assistant" do it, who happened to be very involved in the entire DIII playoff administration committee.  The answer he gave me was, yes, in regard to $, however, it was also very lame in all the other "reasoning" aspects, among them being that they had to limit the number of players on the sidelines "because it was too crowded for media, TV camera men and sideline announcers, NCAA and other personel with all their equipment in addition to all the players, coaching staffs and support people (trainers, team doc, equipment people), etc.. etc.  What a crock - give me a break! :D ::) :P  They allow much more personel on the sidelines for the "big-time" teams at the bowl games, so that particular lame excuse doesn't wash with me.

Moreover, the $ aspect is riduculous IMO as well (again, others disagree with me but their entitled to their opinion also).  If the NCAA is so worried about the $ (heck, they get it from the big-time TV contracts from the DI basketball tournament as we understand it to fund championships in all NCAA sports and they have enough to cover additional players), then let the colleges and/or parents fund the extra players.  Some argue that is worthless because the majority of these "extra players" will not get in the game.  However, I would argue that making it to the playoffs and certainly to the Stagg Bowl is a once in a lifetime experience (except, of course if you are Mount Union, Wis Whitewater or St. Johns, etc. ;D) and I know many of these kids would cherish the opportunity to just be suited up on the sidelines, even if they knew it was highly unlikely they wouldn't get to play.  But...the powers that be don't see it my way and that's just the way it is.  Anyway, just my own opinion here. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 19, 2009, 03:50:59 AM
First time posting here. I tend to agree that you should be able to take as many players as you want. It's always disappointing when guys who bust their humps don't get to suit up. This also brings up another great point. We know that d3 is without scholarships so rosters can be pretty wide ranging. I mean some schools are in the high 100's and others can be around 50. I say give schools a travel allotment for a certain number of players and then if there are more they want to bring have the school cover it.  There ought to be a way that teams can bring all the players they want.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 4852lkrick on November 19, 2009, 06:15:03 AM
I didn't realize about the limited roster (only being my second year in MIAA)....  That's awful!  Everyone needs everyone at that point.


Nice article today on Trine on D3.  Sounds like it should be a great game!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 19, 2009, 07:43:11 AM
Former -

Those reasons that the rep from the NCAA sent you almost poured salt in the wound.  I thought they would at least have a legitimate reasoning behind the rule.  I dont know the exact numbers allowed on the roster, but when you cut your traveling roster from around 60 players to 50 players, you can't tell me that cutting a roster by 15% wont effect a team.  You are losing key backups or special teams players. 

I dont think teams should be able to bring however many kids they want, 100 players on a sideline for a playoff game would be too many.  But I do think there should be the regular travel roster.  Its just not fair for a player who has made the travel list his entire career be left off a playoff roster because of this NCAA rule.

Does anyone know how this works in other levels of NCAA football?  I believe DI takes the entire roster to bowl games.  thats easilly 100+.  I'm sure they dont get in the way of media or anything... ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 19, 2009, 08:07:03 AM
I was told yesterday that Trine can dress 52 players for the game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on November 19, 2009, 08:59:27 AM
From page 21 of the Division 2009 Division III Football Championship Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2009/09_3_football.pdf).

QuoteOfficial Traveling Party
[Reference: Per Diem and Transportation in the Division III General Section.]
Transportation and per diem expenses will be provided for the official traveling party of 62 (including a maximum of 52 players in uniform).

Division II is 70 in the party with a maximum of 54 in uniform.
Division I-AA is 130 in the party with a maximum of 60 in uniform for the first three rounds.  For the championship game, 140 can be in the party with a maximum of 70 in the uniform.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 19, 2009, 09:51:11 AM
Quote from: 4852lkrick on November 19, 2009, 06:15:03 AM
I didn't realize about the limited roster (only being my second year in MIAA)....  That's awful!  Everyone needs everyone at that point.


Nice article today on Trine on D3.  Sounds like it should be a great game!

well not everyone...i remember a game i played at Mount Union (regular season) and they had around 200 people dressed.  warmups were hilarious as they went from the 50 to the back of the track for stretching.  took me forever to find out who to talk trash to since there were 6 guys wearing the same number of the guy i was going against.

there needs to be a limit for a travel roster, but crazy it is different than regular season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 10:10:52 AM
Quote from: altor on November 19, 2009, 08:59:27 AM
From page 21 of the Division 2009 Division III Football Championship Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2009/09_3_football.pdf).

QuoteOfficial Traveling Party
[Reference: Per Diem and Transportation in the Division III General Section.]
Transportation and per diem expenses will be provided for the official traveling party of 62 (including a maximum of 52 players in uniform).

Division II is 70 in the party with a maximum of 54 in uniform.
Division I-AA is 130 in the party with a maximum of 60 in uniform for the first three rounds.  For the championship game, 140 can be in the party with a maximum of 70 in the uniform.



Clearly D1-AA is larger than D2 or D3 but why is it that they can travel twice as many people in the party?  Do they carry a trainer for every player? And since the NCAA foots the bill for these people to travel with the team it seems it would be better served to up the roster size for D2 and D3.  All it would take is to reduce the party numbers by say 10 or 20 and it would give each division 5-10 more players.  IMO, it would benefit schools more to have players that they have used all season long instead of having someone on the sidelines just taking up the precious space that needs to be saved the media :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on November 19, 2009, 12:41:10 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 10:10:52 AM
Quote from: altor on November 19, 2009, 08:59:27 AM
From page 21 of the Division 2009 Division III Football Championship Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2009/09_3_football.pdf).

QuoteOfficial Traveling Party
[Reference: Per Diem and Transportation in the Division III General Section.]
Transportation and per diem expenses will be provided for the official traveling party of 62 (including a maximum of 52 players in uniform).

Division II is 70 in the party with a maximum of 54 in uniform.
Division I-AA is 130 in the party with a maximum of 60 in uniform for the first three rounds.  For the championship game, 140 can be in the party with a maximum of 70 in the uniform.



Clearly D1-AA is larger than D2 or D3 but why is it that they can travel twice as many people in the party?  Do they carry a trainer for every player? And since the NCAA foots the bill for these people to travel with the team it seems it would be better served to up the roster size for D2 and D3.  All it would take is to reduce the party numbers by say 10 or 20 and it would give each division 5-10 more players.  IMO, it would benefit schools more to have players that they have used all season long instead of having someone on the sidelines just taking up the precious space that needs to be saved the media :)

I could be wrong, but the travel party for both Division I levels includes the bands for the school.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 19, 2009, 03:11:39 PM
everyones making great points, and I agree that there should be limited roster spots but CUTTING the spots back from what the normal travel restrictions are during the regular season?  This is just another difficult obsticle to overcome.  As if playing in the biggest game of the season wasnt enough pressure now teams must do it down players.

I was formerly a member of the Student Athletic Advisory Committee at Tri-State/Trine and these are the types of things that the student athletes can do something about.  Of course I had no idea about the rule seeing as I never even sniffed the playoffs until my senior year, but I always attended conference meetings with reps from each school in the MIAA.  I dont know if this issue would be something SAAC could help handle directly with the NCAA because it is sport specific, however I have to imagine that this is an issue that might affect many different sports when it comes tournament time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 05:43:16 PM
I agree, you should not be able to take your entire team but be able to bring the same amount as a regular season game.  Teams like  Mt. Unions,UW-W and other perennial powers gain even more of an advantage because of their rediculous amount of talent that they have on their teams because they can fill their roster will players that are very talented.  Less fortunate schools are forced to make decisions that may hinder say special teams or certain offensive and defensive packages that they have used all season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2009, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 05:43:16 PM
I agree, you should not be able to take your entire team but be able to bring the same amount as a regular season game. 

Since conferences and teams have separate policies all over the place, who do you think should determine what number we all use?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2009, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 05:43:16 PM
I agree, you should not be able to take your entire team but be able to bring the same amount as a regular season game. 

Since conferences and teams have separate policies all over the place, who do you think should determine what number we all use?

If each conference or team has policies that are different than those of the NCAA, then the NCAA should make a policy that every conference should use.  From our experience going to the playoffs last year, I know it was a difficult decision for coaches to choose who was able to dress and who had to watch from the stands.  With the 54 player restriction, we weren't even able to dress some of our second string players or players who played throughout the year.  I just think that it should be loosened up to allow up to 65 players
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2009, 06:11:24 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 06:05:11 PM

If each conference or team has policies that are different than those of the NCAA, then the NCAA should make a policy that every conference should use. 

This is what it is doing in the postseason.

The NCAA doesn't like to get into dictating conference decisions for the regular season. When the postseason starts, lots of things are dictated by the NCAA -- travel squad sizes, game times, the ball used, the amount of warmup time, the style of the public address announcement of starting lineups, the lack of comp tickets ...

It's unfortunate that there were feelings hurt, apparently, for the cut to 52-man rosters for the postseason. But I am sure feelings are hurt when you or your son don't make the travel squad for regular-season games. I think players understand that coaches have to make decisions.

When you get to the playoffs more often, it will become apparent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 06:21:38 PM
I agree with you Pat and I guess my question is how did the NCAA come up with the 52 man roster? Is it just a basic 2 deep at every position and add 8 or was there some other method that they used?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2009, 06:39:05 PM
The reply that formerd3db received from the NCAA was indeed lame (space on the sidelines, etc.).  While the NCAA limits the number who can dress, I'm pretty sure there is no rule against others still being on the sidelines in street clothes (Pat?).  I would hope that schools and/or booster clubs would see to it that ALL players do make it to the game and not literally be left at home!

BAW, I had forgotten to account for players regularly seeing action on special teams or in special formations - I'll yield that a limit of 52 probably DOES leave out some players who would see PT at other than 'garbage time'.

Am I correct in assuming that the 52 player limit does not mean the same 52 players throughout the playoffs?  While bitterly disappointing for players left out, in a way this does add to the 'chess player' importance of coaches: which players do I MOST need against THIS opponent?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2009, 06:41:48 PM
I think there is a limitation against the others being on the sidelines in street clothes. They cannot be in the box, and for them to be outside of the box, milling around on the sidelines, they would absolutely be in the way of photographers and the like.

The number was 48 a few years back, then increased to 52 when a little more funding came available.

Your 52-man roster is fluid up until 10 minutes before kickoff. Until that point you can make changes and it's certainly able to be different from week to week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2009, 06:50:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2009, 06:41:48 PM
I think there is a limitation against the others being on the sidelines in street clothes. They cannot be in the box, and for them to be outside of the box, milling around on the sidelines, they would absolutely be in the way of photographers and the like.

The number was 48 a few years back, then increased to 52 when a little more funding came available.

Your 52-man roster is fluid up until 10 minutes before kickoff. Until that point you can make changes and it's certainly able to be different from week to week.

Yeah, I did forget to account for the fact that d3 stadia tend to be a bit less roomy on the sidelines than the Big House (or even Rynearson)! :-[  There are always dozens of injured players, former players, etc., on the sidelines there!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 19, 2009, 07:02:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

There is a limit to how many people can in the "party" and I believe that number is 70.  That would include any players in street clothes, coaches, athletic training personnel and whoever else the coaches wish to bring with the team.  These people are given passes so they are allowed to be in the players and coaches only areas
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 20, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
I am really excited for tomorrows matchup.  it will be interesting to see how Whalen does against the best defense he has seen all year.   I like Trine's offense to score in the 28-35 on Case's untested defense, but can Trine's defense hold on long enough to get the win? I think so.

Trine 35 - Case 31

A big step for the Trine program and the MIAA as a whole. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 20, 2009, 02:21:12 PM
I totally agree with you.

I think that the MIAA has several teams in it that probably helped Trine prepare for this game during the regular season also. Albion and Adrian both had very stingy defenses and Trine figured out a way to beat thos teams. Then you throw in the pass happy offenses of Kalamazoo College and Alma and the Trine defense has seen it all and stopped them when they needed too.

My prediction is Trine 25 - Case Western 21.

Go Thunder!

Time to go listen to a little ACDC
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 20, 2009, 02:40:43 PM
Well I would like to be the first to welcome you to the boards adidas.  Its about time you got here.  Trine has seen it all this year while Case is known for not really being tested.  Hopefully the guys step up and play some great football tomorrow because if they do take plays off Case can hurt them
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 20, 2009, 02:56:49 PM
I wanted to take the chance to wish the Thunder luck before I head to Clevelend for the weekend which should prove to be a great game.  Case Western is a very very good team with a senior quarterback who has lead them in 3 undefeated regular seasons!  I cant wait to see how the Thunder D contains him. 

We all know that Case "hasnt been tested" this year, but I hope Trine is giving them all of the respect in the world.  Many teams from other conferences would probably say the same thing about Trine.  But I hope Trine respects Case Western enough to give them their absolute best game and to show them what its like to be tested!

I'm not even going to make a score prediction because its going to be too good of a game.  All I can say is Trine in a close one!  I cant wait to see the game, and I hope everyone in attendance brings their umbrella or ponchos for the Thunder Storms!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 20, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
I am positive that the Trine coaching staff isnt taking this untested team lightly.  Case has an incredible record over the last three years. That doesnt happen by accident, even with a weak schedule.  This is a really good team, and the Trine coaches and players know they need to have a great game to have a chance at the schools first playoff win. 

I too am making the long drive to Cleveland.  BOYA, I will see you there
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 20, 2009, 09:22:59 PM
Anyone who can't make it to Cleveland can watch on-line here:

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast/index.htm

click on the megaphone icon
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2009, 02:22:36 PM
With the playoff limit on number of players who can dress, sounds like Trine and Case both decided to only bring their offenses!  28-28 at the half!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 21, 2009, 04:34:00 PM
Congratulations to Trine on their 51-38 win over Case Western Reserve University.  The online video coverage was very nice.  It looked like a great game that was well-played on the part of both teams.  Congratulations also to CWRU on a very good season.

Trine's win was so important for the MIAA.  Good luck next week vs. Witt!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on November 21, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Well done Thunder.  The Spartans had no answer to thr running game.

Best of luck against the Wittenberg D which should be a sterner test.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 21, 2009, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on November 21, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Well done Thunder.  The Spartans had no answer to thr running game.

Best of luck against the Wittenberg D which should be a sterner test.

Congrats to Trine, get ready for Wittenberg, they have a tough defense.
Your offense was great. It is good to see the MIAA get another playoff
opportunity! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2009, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2009, 02:22:36 PM
With the playoff limit on number of players who can dress, sounds like Trine and Case both decided to only bring their offenses!  28-28 at the half!

The bus bringing Trine's defense pulled in to the parking lot at half time and got them in by the third quarter.   :)  Held them to just 10 in the second half. 

Very exciting game, and an excellent field / stadium. 

Even when down by 14-0, Trine kept their composure.  They had seen these circumstances before, and just kept plugging away.  I am impressed by their character and never-say-die attitude. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 22, 2009, 12:06:17 AM
I wanted to say, as an impartial observer, this game was a blast to watch. Both teams played like they belonged in the playoffs and I can give no greater praise than that. Trine just happened to have the better ground game on the day and that really opened some mega-passes. While watching, I just couldn't help but think that with the UAA always looking for teams Trine v. CWRU should turn into a yearly thing. I think everyone who is a D3 football fan would appreciate a few more exciting games like that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 22, 2009, 12:24:11 AM
Great job on getting the MIAA a win Trine, making steps to making the league as a whole better.  Best of luck to the Thunder second round as Wittenberg will be a far stiffer test defensively than was Case.  Keep it rolling, the more wins the better, obviously.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 22, 2009, 07:44:57 AM
First off


Congrats to Triine
Way to carry the MIAA flag and do us proud, keep up the hard work next week.
First MIAA win in years.
Trine is making a continued run into a power in DIII

On to Olivet  anyone else notice coach Liv stepped down?

I have the same question after Lyall was forced out, I think the winds of change are coming to the MIAA. Winning not only the league but on a DIII playoff level is the goal and schools are going to push themselves and the coachs to reach this level.

The MIAA prides itself on the it's high level of Academic's
I hope in the quest to be more of a force in the DIII football world we as a conference do not lower our Academic standards.

There are many DIII schools with great academic standards that perform at a high level in football so I am not impling anything about those schools. I am raising the point that I trust the Admin. to insure this level does not stray from the DIII concept of a great private school education.
With money tight and schools looking for revenue, sports is a great way to bring in students and excitement to the campus, I am worried at what cost. If you want DII and DI "Academic" (I use the term in jest) standards then we have lost what makes DIII great.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
Way to go Thunder!      Case CLOSED!

Case student section handed out shirts that said "Try again Trine", and the players had messages shaved into the top of their heads, and #36 was more worried about mocking the Trine fans afterthe 14 - 0lead than the fact that there was still a lot of football left to play. It must be that the scouting report that case had on Trine didn't say anything about the Trine team never quitting, and always making the correct adjustments in the second half. Oh yeah, I didn't see anyone wearing those stupid shirts on the way out either.

Anyways on to the game, The Case QB had a rocket fo an arm and was FAST, he took a lot of hits in the second half and got up every time. He is outstanding! The fullback for Case is a LOAD, I don't remember him not getting the first down in short yardage situations.

I wouldn't trade Watt for any QB I've seen in D3 over the last several years. The kid is a football player, an athlete, a leader, and a winner. Biller is tough and fast, and moving Leas from DB to RB early in the season may be one of the biggest reasons Trine is still paying. He allows Biller some plays off, and also gets the first down in short yardage situations, and can break the big run also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Case04 on November 22, 2009, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
Way to go Thunder!      Case CLOSED!

Case student section handed out shirts that said "Try again Trine", and the players had messages shaved into the top of their heads, and #36 was more worried about mocking the Trine fans afterthe 14 - 0lead than the fact that there was still a lot of football left to play. It must be that the scouting report that case had on Trine didn't say anything about the Trine team never quitting, and always making the correct adjustments in the second half. Oh yeah, I didn't see anyone wearing those stupid shirts on the way out either.




Seems like you were more interested in the student section than the game also. If the game was at Trine I'm sure the student section would have been totally different.

Anyways, good luck next week. The better team did win on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 22, 2009, 10:44:13 AM
nice job trine now   beat witt saturday
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 22, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
In Re: D306 post
There are several reasons why this actually wouldn't be the case. First, during a recession the better students who receive better academic scholarships are more likely to be able to foot the bill. Because there isn't as much financial aid to go around only the best students get money. Second, both DI and DII use an academic clearinghouse as their method for academic standards. As far as I know D3 admissions is left to each individual institution. In many ways the Oberlins and Grinnells of the world make it a lot harder than they have to if they want to win championships. Finally, look at the NCAC, every single school is a US NEWS tier 1 liberal arts institution. At one point they had three teams regionally ranked (Wab, Witt, All). To me this says schools just have to be cognizant  of finding STUDENT-athletes.

I agree with your opinion, I just think if students are at a D3 school to play football and not study they completely missed the boat. There are so many factors stacked against recruiting athletes without regard to academics it would be utterly inane for any D3 school to pursue that course.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association - Case04
Post by: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 12:36:10 PM
Seems like you were more interested in the student section than the game also. If the game was at Trine I'm sure the student section would have been totally different.

Anyways, good luck next week. The better team did win on Saturday.


Case04, my point was that Case seemed to think the game was won in the first quarter. You didn't see the Trine players acting as if the game was over after they took the lead in the second half. Case Western players and fans thought the game was over after the 14-0 start. That was my point. I thought the shirts were great and kind of funny. But, why flaunt them before the game?

One more question. Why no visitors bleachers at the stadium at Case Western?

 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association - Case04
Post by: ADL70 on November 22, 2009, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 12:36:10 PM

One more question. Why no visitors bleachers at the stadium at Case Western?


There won't be any at Wittenberg either.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association - Case04
Post by: jam40jeff on November 22, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 12:36:10 PM
Case Western players and fans thought the game was over after the 14-0 start.

I knew the game was far from over, so you didn't read my mind correctly.  I can't speak for the rest of the fans and players, but I don't think anyone thought the game was over at that point.  People were excited we jumped out to an early lead, yes, but I think most people were still waiting to see what our defense would do.  At that point, Trine had only had one posession, and was moving the ball before the QB fumbled, so I was uncomfortable even with a 14-0 lead not yet knowing whether our defense could stop the Trine offense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 22, 2009, 07:54:34 PM
No bleachers at Case or Wittenberg?  Awesome, now Trine fans can have the same fun Adrian and Kentuck Christian fans had at Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 22, 2009, 07:55:54 PM
I sure was proud to be a Thunder alumni and fan this past weekend!  I know how hard those guys have worked these past years leading up to this playoff run and they deserve all the success they are achieving.  

Leading up to this weeks game there was a lot of talk about Case not having much competition this season, but I think both teams got more than they bargained for in the first half with a score of 28-28.  When Trine took the lead in the 2nd half I believe that was the first time all season that Case trailed in a game.  I think that fact ingnited Trines defense as they played phenominal in the 2nd half making a play every time they had to.  

As far as the offenses go, I dont think this game dissapointed in the least.  I thought that Case Westerns QB would play a bigger role in the game making more passes and more bootleg type pass/run options.  Instead I saw what looked to be a 300 lb full back running right down the gut all day!  It was very effective and they had a lot of success but when Case got behind they struggled transitioning into a faster paced bigger play offense.

I give Trine a great amount of credit for coming out and showing they were the better team in all aspects of the game.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 22, 2009, 07:57:56 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 22, 2009, 07:54:34 PM
No bleachers at Case or Wittenberg?  Awesome, now Trine fans can have the same fun Adrian and Kentuck Christian fans had at Trine.

haha touche ADAWG!  It was actually a fine experience sitting on the home side at Case.  I guess its just nice getting to see the reactions of your own team on the sideline.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 22, 2009, 08:29:45 PM
BOYA87:

Yes indeed.  Didnt mind the lack of bleachers at Trine to much when I was there, I just stepped over the chain and stood on the sideline.  I have seen film of Case before and it looks like they have ample seating on their home side.  Not sure if that is the case with Wittenberg or not, but as long as theres room on the home side I dont see it as being much of an issue.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 09:19:26 PM
No bleachers at Case or Wittenberg?  Awesome, now Trine fans can have the same fun Adrian and Kentuck Christian fans had at Trine.

That was a great comeback, and should have been expected I guess. But, the difference is that the visitor bleachers were move for construction purposes. Case and Wittenberg are both very nice, finished stadiums and it just seems odd that there are no visitor bleachers.

It would be like Adrians awesome complex not having the visiting side, . I really thought that Case had a great campus, and field. What a great view for those students whose dorms overlook the field
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jam40jeff on November 22, 2009, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 22, 2009, 07:55:54 PM
When Trine took the lead in the 2nd half I believe that was the first time all season that Case trailed in a game.

CWRU actually trailed twice in the second half at Wooster (25-24 and 32-31) before going on to win 53-32.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 22, 2009, 10:44:13 AM
nice job trine now   beat witt saturday

This will be a really interesting matchup of opposites.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 12:45:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 22, 2009, 10:44:13 AM
nice job trine now   beat witt saturday

This will be a really interesting matchup of opposites.

Could you explain further?  I'm guessing Trine = 'offense' vs. Witt = 'defense', but unsure?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2009, 02:36:33 AM
Yep, that was all I was going for.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 23, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Congratulations to the Trine players and coaching staff for their impressive win on Saturday.  This is a huge win for the program and the conerence as a whole. It is unbelievable how far this program has come in the last 4 years.  Going from a laughing stock to talks of building a D3 power is an impressive feat.

The offense looked outstanding in putting up their best game of the year. What impressed me the most was the way they won. After falling down early, they did not get sucked into a passing battle, they stick to their gameplan and imposed their will on the defense with the running game.

The defensive adjustments at half time were outstanding. The D played much better in the second half holding the 3rd ranked offense to only 3 points over a span of a quarter and a half.  This coahing staff as done an excellent job all year making adjustments and did it again on Saturday.

Next week will be a dramatically different game.  Trine will be facing the number one ranked scoring defense in the country.  The offense that scored 51 points last week will be facing a team that has given up 53 points all year. Another classic "untoppable force vs immovable object" matchup.  I can not wait to see how this one shakes out, but regardless of the outcome, it has been a wldly sucessul season for Trine and the MIAA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 01:24:07 PM
I can not wait to see how this one shakes out, but regardless of the outcome, it has been a wldly sucessul season for Trine and the MIAA.

I don't want to take anything away from Trine or the MIAA, both have had incredible seasons and have been a lot of fun to watch and follow. I was just curious about what I like to call the "Layer Cake" that is D3 football. Essentially, there are conferences that every year put two teams in the playoffs that have a chance to win it all (OAC, WIAC, maybe IIAC and ASC). Then there are conferences that are putting two in, but don't really have a chance to make it to the semis (CCIW, ASC, IIAC maybe NCAC). Beyond that are the conferences that usually are good for a game or two in the playoffs and from time to time put two in (NCAC, PAC, MIAC, MAC) a lot of conferences could argue this one. Finally, there are the conferences that are happy to have a win (all conferences, but most not specifically mentioned above).  As of right now I see Trine and the MIAA in the last category (not knocking just saying). My question to others who read this is what does the MIAA do to take the next step? Is it for Trine to keep winning the conference and then a playoff game each year? Is it having a second legit team for pool-c ? Is it for there being parity, that the AQ goes to a different school each year? Is it for the big boys of the MIAA to schedule and win tough out of conference games? I don't really have an answer, I am just posing this more as a hypothetical situation.

In short, I want to know what you think makes a season wildly succesful in the eyes of D3 fans around the country, how do you do it, and at what point you get that national respect?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 23, 2009, 01:47:31 PM
maripp -

I think getting the playoff losing streak over with makes this season successful for the MIAA. You are correct in your assessment of the conferences expectations.  Each team and conference has a diffrent definition of what it means to have a successful season.  For example, if Mount Union and the OAC only made it to the second round of the playoffs, it would be considered somewhat of a failure.  On the other hand, the non power conferences who are looking to make the leap into the next layer of your conference "Layer Cake" would consider the same second round playoff game a big success.  This is the situation that the MIAA is in and this win is the first step in making that leap.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 01:54:32 PM
I agree, you have to get some playoff wins for respect. I think Trine is on the path, I just want to know what you think is best for the conference? Would you want Trine to keep going back, should they schedule the Franklin's etc., should the MIAA become a race for second like the OAC? Just throwing it out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 23, 2009, 02:10:59 PM
maripp,

First, if a team continously wins conference, gets to the playoffs, and gets experience with tougher competition that helps the team and carries over to the next year.  If that team continues to dominate in conference play then you do get the race for second, which forces the other teams to get better or not have a chance to win the league.  I think this situation has happened in many conferences making those conferences better.  For example, the OAC.  Every team in the OAC tries to make their team good enough to beat MUC.  If you are structuring your team to beat the best team in the country you have to be pretty darn good
Title: Changes at Olivet
Post by: rome on November 23, 2009, 02:33:44 PM
any truth to the rumor that Dom resigned this past weekend?  Saw it posted on footballscoop.com and was looking for confirmation
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 23, 2009, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 01:54:32 PM
I agree, you have to get some playoff wins for respect. I think Trine is on the path, I just want to know what you think is best for the conference? Would you want Trine to keep going back, should they schedule the Franklin's etc., should the MIAA become a race for second like the OAC? Just throwing it out.

Trine won the MIAA by beating Hope and Adrian by 3 and 5 points this year...........last year they won the MIAA by beating Hope by 1, Kzoo by 1 and Adrian 9-0.

I hardly think the MIAA is in any danger of being a race for 2nd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 04:11:28 PM
I agree that right now the MIAA is balanced. What I was asking about is how does a conference earn national respect? Is it to have the same team coming back year after year in the playoffs, or is to have a new team every few years, which one is the path to respect? 

I think the obvious answer is you have to win playoff games, plain and simple and you have to do it year in and year out. Look at the HCAC and the MWC. Last year Franklin made a very good two win run into the playoffs a first in HCAC history. This year Mount St. Joe's got beat up by the PAC champs and the NCAC champs in back to back weeks, and no one batted an eyelash. Same pretty much goes for Monmouth. Just because you win a playoff game doesn't mean people start to think a leopard changed his spots.

I guess the point I am getting at is that, the MIAA doesn't get the respect it deserves, but also one playoff run doesn't earn insta-respect. So what is the "blue print" here? Keep seeing Trine back or hope another team can make a run into the playoffs? What is better for the conference's national rep? I don't think there is a right answer. IMO, it would be to see something like a "perennial champ" and hope for a pool-C team that can make a run.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 23, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
As a Trine alumni and fan I would absolutely LOVE to see a Trine dominated MIAA, however this is simply a back to back conference winning season which is only 5 years removed from a winless season.  And just like sac posted "Trine won the MIAA by beating Hope and Adrian by 3 and 5 points this year...........last year they won the MIAA by beating Hope by 1, Kzoo by 1 and Adrian 9-0."  It is going to take much more than that to prove Trine is the an automatic #1 in the conference, however the defending champion is always the team to beat going into the next season so they definitely will come into next season at #1.

I think that this kind of competition during the conference season coupled with playoff success is the winning formula for the MIAA and the teams it is comprised of.  Lets think about it, if Trine continues having success in the playoffs maybe it makes the powers that be re-evaluate the conference...maybe that Adrian team and Hope team were stronger contenders than we thought.  If the MIAA can get to a point where 2 teams are getting national recognition in the top 25 or near it then I think that will do leagues for building the conferences strength of schedule and the competition will only grow greater inside of the conference, which will better prepare the team that will make a run in the playoffs.

2nd, I think that saying this season has been successful for Trine and the MIAA is a valid statement, but ONLY if the team does not become satisfied with their success.  I still think they will be in a battle next week and have a chance to get another win.  However, the season has already been successful as Trine has accomplished something that has NEVER been accomplished by the school.  They also accomplished something that the conference has not done in years!  This season will help the conference next year when the playoffs are "seeded" and even throughout the season with team rankings. 

This season has gained the conference a little respect, but unless it is delivered on a consistent basis it will go away very quickly.  Just like a football team, the program is not turned around in 1 year...it is a process.  Step by step the MIAA will keep competing with each other.  Several schools have already taken steps in hopes to improve themselves next season and ultimately the improvement of these teams is the absolute best thing that could happen to the conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 23, 2009, 05:10:19 PM
Boya, that is exactly what I'm saying.  If you look at any conference with a perennial contender, every team in it is trying to beat the best.  By doing that, you make your team and your program better.  When more teams start becoming more competitive the conference will get better.  Then as you play non-conference and tournament games you see better competition.  As you begin to win those games national respect is given.  And ultimately, winning ball games is the only formula for gaining that respect.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 05:55:29 PM
Perhaps this post should wait until the MIAA is out of the play-offs, but I'm afraid I'd forget my question by then! :P

I really admire Hope's non-con schedule (3 CCIW contenders and an above average WIAC team - and they acquitted themselves well against all four), but I wonder if it might be TOO ambitious?

I haven't checked their schedules prior to 2008, but am assuming that the philosophy of ambitious scheduling was probably in place then too.  Prior to 2008, it seemed to work very well for preparing Hope for the conference schedule.  The last two years, it seems otherwise.

In 2008-09 has Hope been too beaten down (mentally) or too beaten up (physically) to continue their previous success, or were they just not as good as previous years?  (With other plausible conclusions obviously being that the MIAA competition was better or that it is just a two year statistical glitch.)

Has Hope taken "The Audacity of Hope" (pun intended) too far?  (And yes, I know that this year they came within a TD of all four non-con opponents, but was it too costly?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 23, 2009, 06:10:32 PM
This was posted on the basketball board, thought I should post it here to.........

Hope Coaching Legend Russ DeVette Dies


Russ DeVette, teacher and coach at Hope College for four decades, died Monday, Nov. 23, at Hospice House in Holland, Mich. following a long illness. He was 86 years of age. DeVette taught and coached at Hope for nearly 40 years, from 1948 until retiring in 1988 as professor emeritus of physical education.

"Russ DeVette is a man I greatly respect and admire. For many of us who had the privilege of playing for him and coaching with him, he was a father figure of pervasive positive influence," said Hope College president James E. Bultman. "While his athletic and coaching achievements are legendary, I'll always remember him as a man who lived his life with extraordinary Christian convictions. I'll miss him."

An outstanding basketball player at Hope in the 1940s, he was the first recipient of the most valuable player award from the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association (MIAA).

At times in his Hope career he coached three sports in the same school year. He coached the men's basketball team from 1948-51 and from 1956 to 1977. He was also the head football coach from 1955 to 1969. He remained on the football coaching staff as defensive coordinator through 1987. He also served as head coach in both baseball and women's track. The teams combined to win 14 MIAA championships.

In 2007 the Hope College Alumni H-Club presented him the "Hope for Humanity Award." A holiday men's basketball tournament is named in his honor. The main basketball gymnasium in the college's DeVos Fieldhouse honors him and his wife Doris who survives him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 23, 2009, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 05:55:29 PM
Perhaps this post should wait until the MIAA is out of the play-offs, but I'm afraid I'd forget my question by then! :P

I really admire Hope's non-con schedule (3 CCIW contenders and an above average WIAC team - and they acquitted themselves well against all four), but I wonder if it might be TOO ambitious?

I haven't checked their schedules prior to 2008, but am assuming that the philosophy of ambitious scheduling was probably in place then too.  Prior to 2008, it seemed to work very well for preparing Hope for the conference schedule.  The last two years, it seems otherwise.

In 2008-09 has Hope been too beaten down (mentally) or too beaten up (physically) to continue their previous success, or were they just not as good as previous years?  (With other plausible conclusions obviously being that the MIAA competition was better or that it is just a two year statistical glitch.)

Has Hope taken "The Audacity of Hope" (pun intended) too far?  (And yes, I know that this year they came within a TD of all four non-con opponents, but was it too costly?)

IMHO yes...........but Hope has pretty much always played an ambitious non-conf schedule with few exceptions.  In the 4 years I was at Hope, they played DePauw, Wabash every year and had Michigan Tech, Drake and Findley on the schedule.

Hope future football schedules are softened up a bit

2010 and 2011  flipping sites in 2011
Saturday, Sept. 4 - Illinois Wesleyan at Hope, 1:30 p.m. ET (Community Day)
Saturday, Sept. 11 - Hope at Wisconsin Lutheran, noon CT
Saturday, Sept. 18 - Hope at Millikin, Ill., 1 p.m. CT
Saturday, Sept. 25 - Lakeland at Hope, 1 p.m. ET

2012 and 2013  again flipping sites in 2013
Saturday, Sept. 1 - North Park at Hope, 1:30 p.m. ET (Community Day)
Saturday, Sept. 8 - Hope at Millikin, Ill., 1 p.m. CT
Saturday, Sept. 15 - MIAA/NAC Challenge (away, opponent tba)
Saturday, Sept. 22 - opponent/site to be determined

2014 and 2015
only games confirmed  MIAA/NAC Challenge


I'm sorry to see the Hope/Wheaton series ending, thats been tremendous competition for a number of years and is frankly a no brainer schedule wise for both schools.

Hope also had a long running series with DePauw that ended in 2006 and frequently played Wabash until they joined the NCAC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 06:35:11 PM
IMO, I think Hope is doing the right thing scheduling tough non-conf. games. If you look at this last year's results Hope was not out of any single game they played, and that starts to add up. This weeks ATN podcast actually deals with this subject in some measure talking about teams like Monmouth that blow everyone out on their schedule and then have a tough time in close games. Hope's tough schedule and hard losses this year make for a better, tougher, team next year. If Trine keeps the momentum going into next year that could spell a Pool-C for the MIAA. I honestly love what many of the MIAA teams do schedule-wise. You can only win the games you play, but making those games as solid as possible usually pays off (this year's Pool-C excluded). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 06:45:02 PM
I'd have to say that subbing WisLu, Millikin, and Lakeland for UWEC, Wheaton, and Carthage is softening more than a bit!  And IWU starts 15 seniors, so even the one continuity may be 'softened'! ;D

And when you then replace IWU with NPU on your schedule, I think 'tough scheduling' is history! :(

Way too early to say for sure, but expect me in Holland on September 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 07:04:42 PM
I have to say that with D3 football one of the things that makes it fun is the mercurial nature of winning and losing. There are MUCs and St. Johns out there, but with those few exceptions any year can be "the year". Look at Concordia Chicago. Last year 3-7 this year 8-2. Just two years ago St. Thomas had like 2 wins and this year they've got a playoff win, Franklin was a 5-5 team one year and then a 9-1 team the next. It's always hard to tell how good a team is going to be two or three years from now, so you just schedule teams and hope they have their A-game when you get to play them. Sometimes it works out in your favor and sometimes not so much. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 07:04:42 PM
I have to say that with D3 football one of the things that makes it fun is the mercurial nature of winning and losing. There are MUCs and St. Johns out there, but with those few exceptions any year can be "the year". Look at Concordia Chicago. Last year 3-7 this year 8-2. Just two years ago St. Thomas had like 2 wins and this year they've got a playoff win, Franklin was a 5-5 team one year and then a 9-1 team the next. It's always hard to tell how good a team is going to be two or three years from now, so you just schedule teams and hope they have their A-game when you get to play them. Sometimes it works out in your favor and sometimes not so much. 

I'll agree with you to a point, but the reason we remember the CUCs and Tommies is because they are rare.  Past performance does not guarantee future results (required disclaimer by the SEC - sorry! ;D), but it has more often than not proven to be a good way to bet. ;)  I somehow doubt that WisLu, Millikin, and Lakeland will be better than UWEC, Wheaton , and Carthage in 2010 (or any time soon!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 07:30:55 PM
I think that W&J ran into something like this this year. They scheduled some not-so-winning programs this year likely thinking it to be a rebuilding year. And instead they won enough and ended up in Pool-C. I am rarely for "scheduling down", but for whatever reason they tend not to ask the fans what games we want to see.  :)

It is part of the same reason I don't like the NCAC's agreement with the UAA. I don't mind teams scheduling maybe one UAA team, but I would like to see them go take on another Pool-A conference team for that second game. I would suggest Wabash v. a CCIW contender, Wittenberg v. an OAC contender, Allegheny v. a PAC contender, etc. I think that would do more for the conference than a second game with an UAA opponent. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2009, 12:46:15 AM
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 07:30:55 PM
I think that W&J ran into something like this this year. They scheduled some not-so-winning programs this year likely thinking it to be a rebuilding year. And instead they won enough and ended up in Pool-C. I am rarely for "scheduling down", but for whatever reason they tend not to ask the fans what games we want to see.  :)

It is part of the same reason I don't like the NCAC's agreement with the UAA. I don't mind teams scheduling maybe one UAA team, but I would like to see them go take on another Pool-A conference team for that second game. I would suggest Wabash v. a CCIW contender, Wittenberg v. an OAC contender, Allegheny v. a PAC contender, etc. I think that would do more for the conference than a second game with an UAA opponent. 
Quote from: maripp2002 on November 23, 2009, 06:35:11 PM
IMO, I think Hope is doing the right thing scheduling tough non-conf. games. If you look at this last year's results Hope was not out of any single game they played, and that starts to add up. This weeks ATN podcast actually deals with this subject in some measure talking about teams like Monmouth that blow everyone out on their schedule and then have a tough time in close games. Hope's tough schedule and hard losses this year make for a better, tougher, team next year. If Trine keeps the momentum going into next year that could spell a Pool-C for the MIAA. I honestly love what many of the MIAA teams do schedule-wise. You can only win the games you play, but making those games as solid as possible usually pays off (this year's Pool-C excluded). 
Quote from: sac on November 23, 2009, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 05:55:29 PM
Perhaps this post should wait until the MIAA is out of the play-offs, but I'm afraid I'd forget my question by then! :P

I really admire Hope's non-con schedule (3 CCIW contenders and an above average WIAC team - and they acquitted themselves well against all four), but I wonder if it might be TOO ambitious?

I haven't checked their schedules prior to 2008, but am assuming that the philosophy of ambitious scheduling was probably in place then too.  Prior to 2008, it seemed to work very well for preparing Hope for the conference schedule.  The last two years, it seems otherwise.

In 2008-09 has Hope been too beaten down (mentally) or too beaten up (physically) to continue their previous success, or were they just not as good as previous years?  (With other plausible conclusions obviously being that the MIAA competition was better or that it is just a two year statistical glitch.)

Has Hope taken "The Audacity of Hope" (pun intended) too far?  (And yes, I know that this year they came within a TD of all four non-con opponents, but was it too costly?)

IMHO yes...........but Hope has pretty much always played an ambitious non-conf schedule with few exceptions.  In the 4 years I was at Hope, they played DePauw, Wabash every year and had Michigan Tech, Drake and Findley on the schedule.

Hope future football schedules are softened up a bit

2010 and 2011  flipping sites in 2011
Saturday, Sept. 4 - Illinois Wesleyan at Hope, 1:30 p.m. ET (Community Day)
Saturday, Sept. 11 - Hope at Wisconsin Lutheran, noon CT
Saturday, Sept. 18 - Hope at Millikin, Ill., 1 p.m. CT
Saturday, Sept. 25 - Lakeland at Hope, 1 p.m. ET

2012 and 2013  again flipping sites in 2013
Saturday, Sept. 1 - North Park at Hope, 1:30 p.m. ET (Community Day)
Saturday, Sept. 8 - Hope at Millikin, Ill., 1 p.m. CT
Saturday, Sept. 15 - MIAA/NAC Challenge (away, opponent tba)
Saturday, Sept. 22 - opponent/site to be determined

2014 and 2015
only games confirmed  MIAA/NAC Challenge


I'm sorry to see the Hope/Wheaton series ending, thats been tremendous competition for a number of years and is frankly a no brainer schedule wise for both schools.

Hope also had a long running series with DePauw that ended in 2006 and frequently played Wabash until they joined the NCAC.
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 23, 2009, 05:10:19 PM
Boya, that is exactly what I'm saying.  If you look at any conference with a perennial contender, every team in it is trying to beat the best.  By doing that, you make your team and your program better.  When more teams start becoming more competitive the conference will get better.  Then as you play non-conference and tournament games you see better competition.  As you begin to win those games national respect is given.  And ultimately, winning ball games is the only formula for gaining that respect.


You younger guys (and "newer" posters to this board probably haven't had the opportunity to see the previous discussions on the board regarding this topic that us older and "verteran" posters have had.  There have been many opinions as to the reasoning for the more recent lack of success in advancing beyond the first round of the playoffs as well as the "philosophy" of playing tougher non-conference teams.  I will briefly reiterate/summarize my own opinion on those aspects.  Back in "my day", we played some tougher non-conference opponents (and some DII teams), of which I've always believed in the long run will help a team get to that next level.  It doesn't happen overnight and in essence it is about changing one's attitude in believing it can be done (i.e. again my examples of Northwestern in the Big Ten and Olivet in our own conference).  Of course, there will be some set-backs and "steaks" (i.e. Olivet's and Hope's poor seasons the last two years).  However, in the long run, I think that this will pay off for Hope in the next couple of years.

In addition then, with regard to the playoffs, it also takes a little luck - and I mean that sincerely.  As good as Albion's 1994 National Championship team was, were it not for a little luck here and there in the playoffs, they very nearly would have not been in the Stagg Bowl.  Certainly, recruiting and the nature of the competition, both at DIII and in competition of recruiting against DII schools in many regions has had an effect on this to a degree.  Yet, again, overall, I think that the MIAA can get back to the next level and be a good competitor with its teams in the playoffs.  Hopefully, Trine's success will continue and carry that over.

One last comment on that, as sac has mentioned in his post; it is disappointing to see that the Wheaton/Hope series has now ended (at least for awhile) and the same for the Hope/DePauw and Hope/Wabash series of a few years back.  I and many others would like to see those return, although the Hope/IWU series is a good one and the Carthage one as well.  Yet, not sure what North Park will add to this overall "scheme" as I discussed above - although a win (most likely) certainly doesn't hurt the confidence. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2009, 12:50:21 AM
Sad to hear that Coach DeVette passed away, although he is no longer suffering.  I am glad and so thankful I had the privilege of playing for him, being taught by him both in football and "in the game of life" and all the right values, as Pres/Coach Bultman summarized in his statement.  I am also glad I had the opportunity to see him at Homecoming this year as most of us knew it was getting near the end for him.  My thoughts and prayers will be for his wife and family this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 24, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
I will give my rookie view on the scheduling topic, although it might not be as insightful as you veterans formerd3 ;)  I think it is extremely important for teams to challenge themselves in their outside competition.  For one, this really gives your team a good measure of where you stand nationally as well as personally.  I have always loved "The Big Game" and for some schools that don't make the playoffs or compete for a conference championship often these non-conference "Big" games could be the only ones they get.

However, I think in Hopes case it is a positive thing that they lighten the schedule.  It seemed that they made their first 4 games much harder on themselves than it needed to be.  Yes, these non-conference games should challenge your team but they should not destroy it.  Lets face it, these games are as close to a pre-season as any college season will have.  It is a chance for your team to further evaluate new players and make sure everyone is in the right spot.  It is a chance to put your offense and defense into full motion and see if there are any holes.  It is essentially "practicing" you for the conference season (because without success in the conference, there is a slim chance for a playoff run.)

Take this last year for example, Hope played well against their tough non-conference schedule but not well enough to get a win.  Although they start their season 0-4 they are still positive with heads up because those were some damn good teams they competed against.  However as soon as that first conference game comes they drop to 0-5.  This can really punch a team in the gut and take the wind out of their sails.  They are now only 1 game into the conference season and yet they stand ZERO chance of a winning season.  This do can do real damage to a teams psyche.

And so Im in support of scheduling a difficult team or 2 in the non-conference schedule, but I don't think you should allow the team to get "beat up on" by the non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Hayden Fox on November 24, 2009, 12:38:01 PM
What's the story with Olivet?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 24, 2009, 03:50:53 PM
Liv is gone.

A formal search is in process.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2009, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: Hayden Fox on November 24, 2009, 12:38:01 PM
What's the story with Olivet?
Quote from: D306 on November 24, 2009, 03:50:53 PM
Liv is gone.

A formal search is in process.



While I do not doubt you, it is quite strange that there is nothing posted on the Olivet athletic website about Coach Liv stepping down.  Perhaps our colleague OC_SID can inform us of what is going on.  I figured Coach Liv would consider stepping down in the next couple of years, however, if it is true he did so now, I am surprised.  I would have liked to see him continue for another year or so.  On the other hand, it has been rumored that Coach Mike Smith, whom he hired last year after Smith's successful longtime stint as Head Coach at Holt High School (south suburb of Lansing), would be the leading candidate for the next head coach when Liv decided to step down.  I also think assist coach Mike Sparks (a former Hope College football standout who also has high school head coaching experience, as well as being a coordinator in both high school and at Olivet as well) would be a very good choice as well.  We'll see what transpires in the next couple of weeks or so.  I assume that the time table for selecting a new coach (again, if Coach Liv actually did step down) would not linger much longer after the Thanksgiving Day holiday and certainly before Christmas I would hope.  This would obviously be a help in recruiting for them.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2009, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 24, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
I will give my rookie view on the scheduling topic, although it might not be as insightful as you veterans formerd3 ;)  I think it is extremely important for teams to challenge themselves in their outside competition.  For one, this really gives your team a good measure of where you stand nationally as well as personally.  I have always loved "The Big Game" and for some schools that don't make the playoffs or compete for a conference championship often these non-conference "Big" games could be the only ones they get.

However, I think in Hopes case it is a positive thing that they lighten the schedule.  It seemed that they made their first 4 games much harder on themselves than it needed to be.  Yes, these non-conference games should challenge your team but they should not destroy it.  Lets face it, these games are as close to a pre-season as any college season will have.  It is a chance for your team to further evaluate new players and make sure everyone is in the right spot.  It is a chance to put your offense and defense into full motion and see if there are any holes.  It is essentially "practicing" you for the conference season (because without success in the conference, there is a slim chance for a playoff run.)

Take this last year for example, Hope played well against their tough non-conference schedule but not well enough to get a win.  Although they start their season 0-4 they are still positive with heads up because those were some damn good teams they competed against.  However as soon as that first conference game comes they drop to 0-5.  This can really punch a team in the gut and take the wind out of their sails.  They are now only 1 game into the conference season and yet they stand ZERO chance of a winning season.  This do can do real damage to a teams psyche.

And so Im in support of scheduling a difficult team or 2 in the non-conference schedule, but I don't think you should allow the team to get "beat up on" by the non-conference schedule.


BOYA87:

You younger guy's opinions are just as important.  Anyway, I agree with you.  While this year we (Hope) only lost by a few points to the non-conference teams (and probably should have won at least two of those games), I think that scheduling two "upper tier" non-conference teams and two others that a team would have a good chance of winning is the best route to go, at least for now (although, unfortunately, sometimes a team can find ways to lose those "easier" games. such as Hope seemed to do this year).  You also have to have the talent on the field and some of the teams this year need to improve in that area IMO.  While this last statement may seem like and an obvious and unnecessary one, I'm talking about having better "upper tier" players rather than just "good fooball players".  There is indeed a difference and, by that, I mean there are some good high school football players who are not really good enough to play even at the small college level and there are some really very good players who are not either and/or just don't pan out even at that level.  Attitude has alot to do with it and, unfortunately, in some cases, I've seen that "zeal" lacking in some of "today's" players on many college teams.  While losing is frustrating, some people don't rise to the occasion and just give up and "go through the motions".  Just MO. ;) 
Title: Olivet
Post by: rome on November 24, 2009, 10:10:30 PM
If Liv is gone--Bring Irv Back---not Irv---Bring in Jay Carrigan
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2009, 10:36:00 PM
Olivet "Update":

Guys, I went back and searched Olivet's athletic website and there is a Press Release that was dated last week Nov 19th posted there relating that Heather Bateman, Olivet's current Head Women's Basketball Coach had been appointed as Athletic Director of the college by President Donald Troski.  While Troski thanked Coach Livedoti for "stepping in" to fill that role when needed, there was no mention whatsoever about his stepping down and/or not continuing as Olivet's head football coach.  Thus, until that is announced, confirmed, or proven that otherwise it was just a rumor, it appears that Livedoti is still the coach.  I tend to not lend any credibility to other "blogs" (such as M-Live) that erroneously report such assumed situations.  As such, I would encourage anyone to only pay attention to the official Olivet athletic website for any such future announcements.  Anyway, the press release also states that Bateman will continue in her position as basketball coach.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2009, 10:45:57 PM
On the MIAA website, it says the Olivet coaching position is vacant...

http://www.miaa.org/fb/fbcoach.html

Updated 11/18/2009

MIAA Coaches
League Coordinator: Jeff Posendek, Trine  < posendekj@trine.edu>

Adrian: Jim Deere < jdeere@adrian.edu >
Albion: Craig Rundle < crundle@albion.edu >
Alma: Jim Cole < cole@alma.edu >
Hope: Dean Kreps < kreps@hope.edu >
Kalamazoo:  Jamie Zorbo < jzorbo@kzoo.edu >
Olivet: vacant <>
Trine: Matt Land < landm@trine.edu>

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 25, 2009, 06:50:51 AM
Guys

I can confirm Liv has stepped down.

I will not share who, or how I know it.
It has been handled quietly at Olivet, so I will leave it to those associated with the College to put more info out.

Good luck to Trine this weekend, it would be a BIG win this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2009, 09:49:41 AM
Thanks for the additional info, and I respect your request for confidentiallity D306.  Yet, I still find it very strange that Olivet would choose to handle it this way i.e. in keeping it quiet.  Of course, speculation does no good/solves nothing here,  but I can only venture a guess that perhaps it wasn't quite a "mutual decision", although, again, I could be wrong and way off base. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 25, 2009, 11:30:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 25, 2009, 09:49:41 AM
Thanks for the additional info, and I respect your request for confidentiallity D306.  Yet, I still find it very strange that Olivet would choose to handle it this way i.e. in keeping it quiet.  Of course, speculation does no good/solves nothing here,  but I can only venture a guess that perhaps it wasn't quite a "mutual decision", although, again, I could be wrong and way off base. 

former3db,

In your opinion, what are the keys to the game for Trine against Wittenberg this Saturday?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 25, 2009, 11:46:09 AM
Like was said earlier this week, this game is one with an explosive offense and a stringent defense.  I believe the term that has been used to describe such a game is "an unstoppable force VS an unmovable object" and I think that is a fitting set-up for this weekends game. 

The keys for a Trine victory I think comes at the hands of the offense.  Their game against Case Western showed a great formula for success.  Establish the run game early which opens up big opportunities in the passing game.  However with such a tough defense this could be a difficult task so Trine needs to take advantage of every opportunity they get.  If they get in the red zone they HAVE to get 7.  If their defense gets them a turnover they HAVE to reward them and turn it into points.  I think creative play calling and big plays could mean the difference in this game.  I am sure we wont see the methodical drives like we saw last week so this game could very well come down to a couple of big plays.  No turnovers, no penalties, and I think Trine will put themselves in a great opportunity to win this game.

Thanks for your continued posting with us Raider
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometFan on November 25, 2009, 01:37:46 PM
As a recent Olivet Alum, I will confirm that yes, indeed, Coach Livedoti has stepped down as the head coach of the college, in pursuit of retirement.  There will be interviews soon for the head coaching position, becareful what you believe out here because the rumor mill is in full force in small town Olivet.  In my opinion, coach Sparks is the best candidate for the job, great defensive coordinator, motivator, role model and leader.  His love for the game is truly what the team needs to get back in championship form.  Congrats and good luck to Trine this weekend, do us proud!!  Witt's D is tough, but im sure you guys got something schemed up for them.  Another congratulation goes out to Hakeem Yakabu, Ryan Patten and Alex Hill (all from OC) representing the MIAA in the d3 senior classic game next saturday! Represent us proudly and greatly (probably the only positives out of the comets season)!  Also, congrats I believe to Jimmy Semelsberger and Luzack from Kzoo for their invites as well (sorry about the spelling on their names). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 25, 2009, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 25, 2009, 11:46:09 AM
Like was said earlier this week, this game is one with an explosive offense and a stringent defense.  I believe the term that has been used to describe such a game is "an unstoppable force VS an unmovable object" and I think that is a fitting set-up for this weekends game. 

The keys for a Trine victory I think comes at the hands of the offense.  Their game against Case Western showed a great formula for success.  Establish the run game early which opens up big opportunities in the passing game.  However with such a tough defense this could be a difficult task so Trine needs to take advantage of every opportunity they get.  If they get in the red zone they HAVE to get 7.  If their defense gets them a turnover they HAVE to reward them and turn it into points.  I think creative play calling and big plays could mean the difference in this game.  I am sure we wont see the methodical drives like we saw last week so this game could very well come down to a couple of big plays.  No turnovers, no penalties, and I think Trine will put themselves in a great opportunity to win this game.

Thanks for your continued posting with us Raider




BOYA87,

Good analysis! Thanks
Title: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Old Raven on November 25, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
 The Trine boys better get fired up.  Giving up 30+ points will not work against Witt.  You guys need to win this game damnitt!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 25, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 24, 2009, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 24, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
I will give my rookie view on the scheduling topic, although it might not be as insightful as you veterans formerd3 ;)  I think it is extremely important for teams to challenge themselves in their outside competition.  For one, this really gives your team a good measure of where you stand nationally as well as personally.  I have always loved "The Big Game" and for some schools that don't make the playoffs or compete for a conference championship often these non-conference "Big" games could be the only ones they get.

However, I think in Hopes case it is a positive thing that they lighten the schedule.  It seemed that they made their first 4 games much harder on themselves than it needed to be.  Yes, these non-conference games should challenge your team but they should not destroy it.  Lets face it, these games are as close to a pre-season as any college season will have.  It is a chance for your team to further evaluate new players and make sure everyone is in the right spot.  It is a chance to put your offense and defense into full motion and see if there are any holes.  It is essentially "practicing" you for the conference season (because without success in the conference, there is a slim chance for a playoff run.)

Take this last year for example, Hope played well against their tough non-conference schedule but not well enough to get a win.  Although they start their season 0-4 they are still positive with heads up because those were some damn good teams they competed against.  However as soon as that first conference game comes they drop to 0-5.  This can really punch a team in the gut and take the wind out of their sails.  They are now only 1 game into the conference season and yet they stand ZERO chance of a winning season.  This do can do real damage to a teams psyche.

And so Im in support of scheduling a difficult team or 2 in the non-conference schedule, but I don't think you should allow the team to get "beat up on" by the non-conference schedule.


BOYA87:

You younger guy's opinions are just as important.  Anyway, I agree with you.  While this year we (Hope) only lost by a few points to the non-conference teams (and probably should have won at least two of those games), I think that scheduling two "upper tier" non-conference teams and two others that a team would have a good chance of winning is the best route to go, at least for now (although, unfortunately, sometimes a team can find ways to lose those "easier" games. such as Hope seemed to do this year).  You also have to have the talent on the field and some of the teams this year need to improve in that area IMO.  While this last statement may seem like and an obvious and unnecessary one, I'm talking about having better "upper tier" players rather than just "good fooball players".  There is indeed a difference and, by that, I mean there are some good high school football players who are not really good enough to play even at the small college level and there are some really very good players who are not either and/or just don't pan out even at that level.  Attitude has alot to do with it and, unfortunately, in some cases, I've seen that "zeal" lacking in some of "today's" players on many college teams.  While losing is frustrating, some people don't rise to the occasion and just give up and "go through the motions".  Just MO. ;) 

Question when did Hope schedule all of these tougher non-conference games?  was it earlier when there was no automatic bid for the MIAA champ and Hope was better and needed a tougher schedule to have a chance at the postseason?  would make sense although i am not sure you have to lock in your schedule several years in advance like 1A since there are 2x as many teams in D3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 25, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on November 25, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 24, 2009, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 24, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
I will give my rookie view on the scheduling topic, although it might not be as insightful as you veterans formerd3 ;)  I think it is extremely important for teams to challenge themselves in their outside competition.  For one, this really gives your team a good measure of where you stand nationally as well as personally.  I have always loved "The Big Game" and for some schools that don't make the playoffs or compete for a conference championship often these non-conference "Big" games could be the only ones they get.

However, I think in Hopes case it is a positive thing that they lighten the schedule.  It seemed that they made their first 4 games much harder on themselves than it needed to be.  Yes, these non-conference games should challenge your team but they should not destroy it.  Lets face it, these games are as close to a pre-season as any college season will have.  It is a chance for your team to further evaluate new players and make sure everyone is in the right spot.  It is a chance to put your offense and defense into full motion and see if there are any holes.  It is essentially "practicing" you for the conference season (because without success in the conference, there is a slim chance for a playoff run.)

Take this last year for example, Hope played well against their tough non-conference schedule but not well enough to get a win.  Although they start their season 0-4 they are still positive with heads up because those were some damn good teams they competed against.  However as soon as that first conference game comes they drop to 0-5.  This can really punch a team in the gut and take the wind out of their sails.  They are now only 1 game into the conference season and yet they stand ZERO chance of a winning season.  This do can do real damage to a teams psyche.

And so Im in support of scheduling a difficult team or 2 in the non-conference schedule, but I don't think you should allow the team to get "beat up on" by the non-conference schedule.


BOYA87:

You younger guy's opinions are just as important.  Anyway, I agree with you.  While this year we (Hope) only lost by a few points to the non-conference teams (and probably should have won at least two of those games), I think that scheduling two "upper tier" non-conference teams and two others that a team would have a good chance of winning is the best route to go, at least for now (although, unfortunately, sometimes a team can find ways to lose those "easier" games. such as Hope seemed to do this year).  You also have to have the talent on the field and some of the teams this year need to improve in that area IMO.  While this last statement may seem like and an obvious and unnecessary one, I'm talking about having better "upper tier" players rather than just "good fooball players".  There is indeed a difference and, by that, I mean there are some good high school football players who are not really good enough to play even at the small college level and there are some really very good players who are not either and/or just don't pan out even at that level.  Attitude has alot to do with it and, unfortunately, in some cases, I've seen that "zeal" lacking in some of "today's" players on many college teams.  While losing is frustrating, some people don't rise to the occasion and just give up and "go through the motions".  Just MO. ;) 

Question when did Hope schedule all of these tougher non-conference games?  was it earlier when there was no automatic bid for the MIAA champ and Hope was better and needed a tougher schedule to have a chance at the postseason?  would make sense although i am not sure you have to lock in your schedule several years in advance like 1A since there are 2x as many teams in D3

I don't believe Hope has ever scheduled with the NCAA tournament in mind.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 25, 2009, 06:06:35 PM
On the topic of our previous discussion about this past weeks game being a BIG win for Trine and the MIAA, there was a nice article posted today on D3 that includes Coach Lands view on the importance of the win.  It was a nice article.  I recommend checking it out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2009, 09:51:06 PM
Raider 68:

I agree with BOYA87 who has given a good analysis as you mentioned.  Indeed, as Witt's defense is a solid one, I think the key for Trine is definitely their offense.  They will have to match scores on every opportunity they get and try to be in position to either be ahead near the end or at least in a position to win it with a score if they are behind.  If they fall behind by a fair margin, while not impossible (because Trine is a good team), it will, IMO, be very tough to come back and win it.  Obviously, though, I am rooting for them!

CometFan:
Thanks for the further update info on the Olivet situation.  As I mentioned earlier, I knew (at least it was my opinion) that Coach Live would be thinking of retirement in the near future, yet still I thought he might go another year or so.  It will be interesting to see who they choose, although I agree with you, they have some very qualified people on their own staff.  In that regard and IMO, it isn't necessary at this time for them to go "outside" for their choice.

70_dc_alum:
Hello friend.  Sac has it right in that Hope has never scheduled in light of the NCAA either in the pre-AQ days nor presently.  That being said, they also have scheduled some tougher teams with improving the team overall in the long term as I mentioned, yet rivalry series has played a part in that as well with DePauw, Wabash, etc. as stated previously also.  While these type of series have been an important part of Hope football, Hope has also seen the value of changing series every few years or so for a "change of scenery" if you will.  Keeping these in reasonable travel distance regions is also a factor (the $ aspect included) as it is for most other DIII teams as well.  Also, it is impossible to predict that some teams might be doing better or poor in future years when these schedules are set; although some might debate that point regarding the recent edition of North Park to the series as the latter has not been very good for quite a few years.

I would also just add that, indeed, some DIII teams do lock in their schedule for a few years in advance, just like in DI.  It can, in fact (as it has been for some teams) be a challenge to fill some "open" dates at the "last minute" if that i.e. a series with some team has not been done in advance a few years prior.

Anyway, those are some of my opinions on these various topics.  I wish everyone a very blessed, enjoyable and safe Thanksgiving Day tomorrow with your families and also for the weekend.  Of course, we'll all be looking forward to this Saturday's next round of the DIII playoffs.  Again, I wish Trine and their fans the best of luck in representing us and hopefully we'll have our MIAA representative advancing to the third round! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 25, 2009, 10:30:59 PM
RE:

locked in schedules and playing a tough out of conference schedule.

Albion has 4-5 more years with Butler as the opening game still left on contract.

Tough way to go, with the current state of Butler football.

Great game for Albion to truely test yourself but record wise this could be another story.

Enjoy the holiday folks take time to catch up with family, especially the "older folks" they live to hear about the kids, and grandkids.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 26, 2009, 10:26:03 AM
i would not be shocked to see butler try to get out of that as they are trying to go full scholarship.  they play a few D3 games but i would imagine if they were going to keep 1 on the schedule it would be the Albion game since they have been plaing that one for a long time.

Happy Thanksgiving to all and good luck to Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2009, 10:57:16 AM
You make a good point.  Butler could potentially request being let out of the agreement to play Albion since they are going towards scholarship football.  On the other hand, as you say, they might just leave it to complete the cycle and commitment.  Most schools who transition to a higher level do that i.e. have a mixture of different level teams that have been already scheduled, then gradually replace those with equivalent tier teams as those contract agreements run out.  I would think Butler will do the same.

Speaking of Butler's transition, a good friend and colleague here on these boards was talking with me yesterday about this (and various other topics related to these boards) and he brought up the question as to exactly what level Butler might be "aiming for" at the scholarship level.  By that, I mean, what "level" do you all see Butler as realistically being - similar to the MAC or rather like the FCS teams such as James Madison, Delaware, Indiana State (ISU hasn't been very good lately!), etc.???  Also, if Butler is going scholarship level, they will obviously be leaving the Pioneer League.  Just curious as to your thoughts.

I, too, again, wish all of you a most enjoyable, blessed Thanksgiving Day today.  Safe travels to all who have to do that and...don't eat too much turkey and stuffing, etc. ;D :D  I always say that every year and then end up doing just that - thereby, just sitting on the coach, watching the rest of the Turkey Day NFL games (and/or an old movie) and having that very "heavy bloated" feeling, ugh!!!! ::)  My own fault!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 26, 2009, 10:13:51 PM
Former,

I could see Butler maybe joining the Ohio Valley or Missouri Valley conferences.  Both have teams that are of similar size and are all geographically in the same region.  I dont think joining the MAC would be a good move for Butler right away. Other than Eastern, each team has had pretty solid teams and success on a higher level in the last few years.  Good luck to the Thunder this Saturday and getting some more recognition for the MIAA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on November 27, 2009, 08:51:14 AM
i think it would have to go 1AA.  1A would be brutal.  look at Western Kentucky, they were a power in 1AA and only a couple years off the National Championship, now they are the doormat of 1A.  granted they lost a heck of a coach with dad Harbaugh retiring but the level of competition immediatly changed on them
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2009, 10:07:58 PM
Thanks guys for the replies re: your opinions on Butler.  I would have to agree - probably the MVC is the best option.

As far as tomorrow, all best wishes to Trine and here's hoping they come out on top with a win against a very good Witt team.  It appears the weather will hold out to be decent.    
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on November 28, 2009, 08:08:47 AM
good luck trine beat witt today
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 28, 2009, 11:53:00 AM
10 minutes till kickoff!  Good Luck Thunder!  Trine has pretty much been favored in every game they have played this year until today.  It should be interesting to see how they play with a chip on their shoulder!  Its going to come down to the little things, special teams, field position, penalties, sustaining blocks, and making tackles on the first hit!

GO THUNDER! BEAT WITTENBURG!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2009, 03:22:15 PM
Sorry to hear that Trine lost this afternoon to Witt 34-17.  Witt is always tough and, recalling the Witt/Alma playoff game back in 1999, you can't spot them 2-3 TD's in the playoffs as it is just tough to come back against that.  Regardless, Trine had a great showing for themselves and the MIAA; so my congratulations to them for a fine season.  As many of you have said, they should be the "team to beat" in the MIAA again next year.

We'll await hearing further details on the game from some of Trine supporters who were there (once you've had a chance to return from the trip, of course).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on November 28, 2009, 08:50:23 PM
I watched the Trine v. Witt game on the Wittenberg website, and I just wanted to say congratulations to Trine on a great season. Matt Land was my HS wrestling coach and off. coordinator and of course as a Little Giant it was difficult to root against the NCAC. With that said, Trine never ever gave up and refused to let Witt really finish it off. Even if the MIAA aren't making deep runs into the playoffs people around the nation are taking notice that Trine isn't an opponent to look forward to. Once again, congrats on a great season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 29, 2009, 01:17:28 AM
This game was heartbreaking!  I wish I could use all the excuses of "the refs sucked" or "we didnt play our best game" but I can honestly just say that Wittenberg was a phenominal team!  I am sure that Trine could have done some things better in this game, but Wittenberg earned everything that they got.  Congrats to them and good luck on the rest of their playoff run!

In the first couple drives of this ball game I thought it was going to be an extremely close and exciting game.  Wittenberg scored with a very impressive drive down the field on their first offensive posession followed by a Trine 3-out.  When things began to look similar to starting the game down 14 pts just like at Case, Trines defense stepped up huge and stopped Witt on 4th down when they were in 4 down territory.  Having the defense step up like this for the O is a huge deal and it gave them the confidence to drive down the field on the #1 ranked defense in the nation.  On that drive, Trine made Witt's #1 Defense look just like any other defense.  Sadly from there on, that defense looked pretty dang good and Trine was not able to put another drive like that together almost the whole game.

What was really heartbreaking was one of the side notes on such a big game.  Trine's running back, Kent Biller, only needed 4...FOUR rushing yards to become the 3rd running back in Trine/Tri-State history to rush for over 1000 yards in a season.  Wittenberg held him to -2 rushing yards.  Kent Biller is one of the nicest guys I know and definitely deserved to achieve that milestone.  It was sad for me that he could not achieve this feat.  He is only a sophomore though and as he continues working on his speed for track season (2 sport athlete) I can only see him becoming more explosive for next year.

Like I said before the game I thought the key to Trine's victory would be to establish the run on the offense.  They obviously could not do this as -2 rush yards for Biller illustrates.  The offense simply seemed out of rhythm all day as a result of this.  Passes that were made a million times during the season in games and practices were just off today.  Not having a run game caused some abnormal play calling and took the offense out of their comfort zone.

A great amount of credit to Wittenberg's defense for this as they showed up and proved to be worthy of the title "#1".  I am proud of all my Trine boys and as painful as it is, I know they will come back next year with even higher goals and expectations.  The sky is the limit for the MIAA and I cant wait for the future!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 29, 2009, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 29, 2009, 01:17:28 AM
This game was heartbreaking!  I wish I could use all the excuses of "the refs sucked" or "we didnt play our best game" but I can honestly just say that Wittenberg was a phenominal team!  I am sure that Trine could have done some things better in this game, but Wittenberg earned everything that they got.  Congrats to them and good luck on the rest of their playoff run!

In the first couple drives of this ball game I thought it was going to be an extremely close and exciting game.  Wittenberg scored with a very impressive drive down the field on their first offensive posession followed by a Trine 3-out.  When things began to look similar to starting the game down 14 pts just like at Case, Trines defense stepped up huge and stopped Witt on 4th down when they were in 4 down territory.  Having the defense step up like this for the O is a huge deal and it gave them the confidence to drive down the field on the #1 ranked defense in the nation.  On that drive, Trine made Witt's #1 Defense look just like any other defense.  Sadly from there on, that defense looked pretty dang good and Trine was not able to put another drive like that together almost the whole game.

What was really heartbreaking was one of the side notes on such a big game.  Trine’s running back, Kent Biller, only needed 4…FOUR rushing yards to become the 3rd running back in Trine/Tri-State history to rush for over 1000 yards in a season.  Wittenberg held him to -2 rushing yards.  Kent Biller is one of the nicest guys I know and definitely deserved to achieve that milestone.  It was sad for me that he could not achieve this feat.  He is only a sophomore though and as he continues working on his speed for track season (2 sport athlete) I can only see him becoming more explosive for next year.

Like I said before the game I thought the key to Trine’s victory would be to establish the run on the offense.  They obviously could not do this as -2 rush yards for Biller illustrates.  The offense simply seemed out of rhythm all day as a result of this.  Passes that were made a million times during the season in games and practices were just off today.  Not having a run game caused some abnormal play calling and took the offense out of their comfort zone.

A great amount of credit to Wittenberg’s defense for this as they showed up and proved to be worthy of the title “#1”.  I am proud of all my Trine boys and as painful as it is, I know they will come back next year with even higher goals and expectations.  The sky is the limit for the MIAA and I cant wait for the future!

Quote from: formerd3db on November 28, 2009, 03:22:15 PM
Sorry to hear that Trine lost this afternoon to Witt 34-17.  Witt is always tough and, recalling the Witt/Alma playoff game back in 1999, you can't spot them 2-3 TD's in the playoffs as it is just tough to come back against that.  Regardless, Trine had a great showing for themselves and the MIAA; so my congratulations to them for a fine season.  As many of you have said, they should be the "team to beat" in the MIAA again next year.

We'll await hearing further details on the game from some of Trine supporters who were there (once you've had a chance to return from the trip, of course).

BOYA87, Former3db,

Just saw the Trine-Witt score, was on a plane back to Ohio.

You are correct, cannot spot a good team a couple of TD's since it is tough
to come back.

Great season for Trine representing the MIAA, now come on the OAC board and support the Raiders! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 30, 2009, 09:02:52 AM
Wow.  Wittenberg's defense does not disappoint.  If they play well against UWW I think they have a shot at an upset.  But congrats to the Trine guys on a very good season.  They have a lot of key players coming back next year and I can't wait to watch them play again.  Hopefully the coaching staff can have a great recruiting class to bring in some more athletes that can contribute so they can get past the second round of the playoffs next year.  And hopefully, since all teams in the MIAA are done playing, we can keep some good conversations going on here throughout the off season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 30, 2009, 10:11:25 AM
Diezel - You pretty much wrapped up my thoughts rom the game with "Witt's defense did not dissapoint".  They sounded like the real deal as I was hunched over a radio listening to the game.  I hope they give UWW all they can handle. 

Looking back on the game, Trine can hang their hat on a few moral victoies.  The Thunder did gain more yards against Wittenberg than any other team all season with 260, and Trine became just the third team to score in the first half on the Tigers. The 17 points allowed were also a season-high for Wittenberg (pulled off d3football.com)  They also scored two rushing touhdowns on a defense that gave up 3 all season.

Congrats to them on a great season, especially to the seniors.  It is always bittersweet to end a playing career.  But I dont think it is to early to look to next season.  I think this returning group is primed to make some serious noise in the national spotlight.  They are returning 12 all conference players.  They will have a lot of seniors who have been starting since freshman and sophmores, along with the coaching staff that is entering their 5th season together and will continue to get better.

I wish good luck to all the MIAA teams for a good offseason in the weightroom and in recruiting, and cant wait to see this conference continue to get better.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 30, 2009, 02:06:45 PM
Bored,

What in the heck are you living in the 1950's for?? The game was on Wittenberg's website. It was probably much more impressive to watch live than listen to on the radio.  But, we will see how good they are this weekend
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 30, 2009, 02:57:54 PM
Diezel-

In laws house + dial up internet = resorting to the technological ice age  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 01, 2009, 12:29:30 PM
A lot of names being thrown around for Olivet job

Dean, Sparks, Haygood.

Should be interesting to see whom they decide on.

Glad to see an extended search indifference to a quick, in-house hire.

The program was been up and down dramtically recently, there needs to be a program installed, set a target and a student ahtlete profile you wish to recruit and move form there.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on December 01, 2009, 08:00:45 PM
Although he might just be what OC needs, especially being an alum, I doubt Olivet can match what Dean is making as a a public school teacher-coach with a dozen or so years in at Lowell.

Haygood has a grand total of four years' coaching experience, none as a coordinator much less as a head coach. Can OC take a chance on somebody who's never written a practice plan much less managed a game?

Sparks was defensive coordinator for teams that went 1-19 last two years and ranked last or next to last in MIAA in every defensive category. Are they going to hire someone who evidently was "part of the problem"?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 01, 2009, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: blb on December 01, 2009, 08:00:45 PM
Although he might just be what OC needs, especially being an alum, I doubt Olivet can match what Dean is making as a a public school teacher-coach with a dozen or so years in at Lowell.

Haygood has a grand total of four years' coaching experience, none as a coordinator much less as a head coach. Can OC take a chance on somebody who's never written a practice plan much less managed a game?

Sparks was defensive coordinator for teams that went 1-19 last two years and ranked last or next to last in MIAA in every defensive category. Are they going to hire someone who evidently was "part of the problem"?

blb:

Good points on the first two, although, respectfully, I don't agree with you on the third.  Admittedly, I don't know anything about Dean.  Yet, I'm sure that it would be a dilemma in giving up a pretty good salary with some established "tenure" in the school district for anyone.  On the other hand, for someone who might have the desire to be a head coach in college, as that old saying goes, one has to start somewhere and be given a chance.

As far as Haygood, while he doesn't have the experience per se as you mention, again, sometime one has to start somewhere and be given the chance, if they are the chosen finalist for such a position.  However, another aspect that is just as viable a possibility is that I'm not sure he would want to go to the DIII level after being at DII Saginaw Valley State (even thought SVSU has recently not been the caliber of teams they've had there in the past) as well as the fact that he apparently is being considered as a candidate for an assistant coaching position at now DI Western Kentucky it is reported.  Being a former Big Ten player and with WKU now attempting to go "big, big time" like South Florida, unless Haygood wants to leave the state, I can't imagine he would turn down such an opportunity if the situation (i.e. $ and postion) is "right" if offered to him (you know that old saying..."the right position at the right time" or so it goes).

Regarding Sparks, I would disagree with you for a few legit reasons.  He has head coaching experience (unlike Haygood), he has been in Olivet's system for 9 years now, so he knows what the College and program is looking for, being a coordinator is different than being the "head guy", he's a former MIAA player and thus, knows the league, the various coaching styles/programs' intent and how they're run (especially his alma mater Hope).  Also, did you see Olivet play this year?  While they were obviously winless, they were not that bad of a team, and, in fact (despite statistics perhaps) their defense was not that bad - actually pretty good when I saw them play - some good players.  The "problem" was the offense not being able to cash in on oppotunities and put up points to "win the games" when they had the opportunity in some.  In that regard, very similar to Hope - in fact, Olivet almost beat Hope.  So, again, I would disagree with you that he was not "part of the problem" as you relate.  Overall, I think Livedoti did a good job at Olivet in his second tenure (he and Sigler got them back on track to be competitive), you forget Livedoti had a championship and NCAA playoff berth just three seasons ago (actually two years ago 2007).  They also lost quite a few players who did not return to school, had a very young team this year.  Regardless, I think that Sparks would be a good, young candidate to lead Olivet.

Kubiak, might also be a good choice (Olivet grad, head coaching experience, coordinator, etc.), although I haven't heard his name being mentioned as being in the candidate pool nor if he is even interested (yet, I would probably be surprised if it turned out he isn't interested).  Of course, Smith has been rumored to have been the "person selected in waiting" for the job when Livedoti decided to retire, that being a rumored reason why Smith was hired away from Holt two years ago.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see who they select.  I'm sure there is quite a pool of candidates that are on their list and being interviewed that we don't even know about.  Keep us posted on anything you might hear, although as we all know, anything any of us might post on here is probably speculation, unless we have legit "inside sources" and/or authorization to relate info ;D, yet that doesn't preclude anyone of us from posting our opinions on here for discussion. ;D ;)  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 01, 2009, 10:42:00 PM
It never occurred to me the Mike Sparks at Olivet was the same Mike Sparks that was a classmate of mine at Hope.   :-\


When Mike Smith left Holt High School after 31 years to go to Olivet, I was sure it was because he would be next in line for the job.  I don't know if he's a candidate but it wouldn't surprise me.


from his Olivet bio.
Mike Smith is in his second season as an assistant football coach, working with the tight ends, and is the special teams coordinator. He also serves the college as a retention officer.

Prior to joining the Olivet staff, Smith was a successful teacher and coach at Holt High School for 31 years. At Holt, he served as the head varsity football coach for 14 years. Smith was also the head football coach at Dansville and Eaton Rapids. In 18 years as a head coach, he compiled a 133-57 record.

Smith played football at Michigan State University (MSU) from 1971-74. He earned a bachelor's degree in health and physical education from MSU in 1976.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on December 02, 2009, 09:19:55 AM
db,

Good points all.

Let me clarify: It's hard for a college's administration to sell alumni and fans that they're serious about winning when they hire internally from a staff that has done poorly (one win) the last two years. It's about perception to a large degree.

Sparks, Smith, and Kubiak all have things in their background that would recommend them for the job. And any of those three would probably do as well as anyone from the outside could. Players of course almost always want a current staff member promoted because like all human beings they are resistant to change. "The devil that you know..."

And yes, I know about Irv's success and the Comets making the playoffs in 2007. Which makes the precipitous descent back to the MIAA basement all the more alarming - and hard to comprehend - if you're an OC grid supporter.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on December 02, 2009, 10:39:39 AM
When Tri-State was looking to make a change in coaches I remember feeling upset for the exact reasons you stated, fear of a change.  I dont know why I would ever fear that change since it could only be a change for the better (0-10 my freshman year).  So the interview process began and the administration was nice enough to allow current players to have an opportunity to interview the candidates.  One of those candidates was a current coach which I am sure a lot of the older players wanted to keep as a coach.  However I think the administration made an extrememly wise decision in their hire with Coach Land (hindsite makes that easy I suppose).

In situations like these, a program NEEDS an outside hire!  They need someone who is not biased by how things WERE done because ultimatly that way is not the way it should be done.  They need someone who is going to come in and assert himself and his vision. 

A little note to those teams getting new outside hire coaches...tough it out...those first couple of months and possibly even the first year are going to be tough!  But thats exactly what needs to happen to turn programs around.

Good luck to those teams in their search for coaches (including ND)!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on December 02, 2009, 01:35:58 PM
Boya87,

I couldn't agree more with what you said, the easy thing for the players to do is back the giy that is already on staff, but sometimes the easy thing isn't always the best thing.

Trine got it right with the hiring of Land and I'm glad you hung around and finished your career at Trine. It was a pleasure to watch you play. I don't know how many times I used you as an example of what I thought my sons should look to strive to become as football player and a person.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on December 02, 2009, 02:00:44 PM
That is the greatest compliment I could recieve not as a player but as a person.  Thank You!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on December 02, 2009, 02:09:07 PM
Haha Adidas, if only you knew.  Sorry BOYA had to get my weekly shot in at ya  :)
Title: Re: Olivet Job
Post by: miaaol on December 02, 2009, 06:10:49 PM
Any word on contenders for the job at OC?  The school seems to be keeping it close to the vest.  The only names I have heard are Sparks (dc) and Noel Dean from Lowell?  Any other info out there?
Title: Re: Olivet Job
Post by: 02 Warhawk on December 02, 2009, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: miaaol on December 02, 2009, 06:10:49 PM
Any word on contenders for the job at OC?  The school seems to be keeping it close to the vest.  The only names I have heard are Sparks (dc) and Noel Dean from Lowell?  Any other info out there?

Charlie Wies?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on December 02, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
Some MLive posts (you know how reliable they are!) ate suggesting Herb Haygood.

Haygood was standout WR at MSU, played in NFL and other peripheral leagues.

Coached at OC in 2006, has been WR coach at Saginaw Valley State last threee seasons.

Has no head coaching or coordinator experience, and there also some internet posts that say he may be headed to Western Kentucky.

Look for Olivet to hire internally - Sparks, Smith, or Kubiak.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaaol on December 03, 2009, 11:35:01 AM
After the performance of Kubiak's offense the past few years do you really think he is a candidate? 

I have heard the Haygood did a great job when he was at OC and could be a great choice as an OC for the new coach??? 

It seems to me that they would want to get something done soon so they can maybe get some recruits in there who can play? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 03, 2009, 05:15:34 PM
blb:
Thanks for the follow-up comments.  Indeed, there are aspects on both sides of the issues for all the OC candidates.  We'll just have to wait and see what happens.  BTW, I agree with you MLive is simply "non-credible" in the majority of the postings. ;D :P

miaaol:
Your point is a legit one.  I would just say, though, that one can't always judge that by that aspect alone.  By that, I mean...  (and please know that I'm just throwing these aspects out for consideration in the general discussion) that:

a) your third point says it exactly i.e. despite what some may believe, it is not always the coaching that is "the problem", rather simply it is the players.  OC does need to get an increased numbers of talented players to campus, like they did three years ago and just before then.  If we were to use the "performance criteria" simply as a judge for picking a candidate (although admittedly and unfortunately, that is what happens even at the DIII leve - can you say Adrian? ;D ::) :P), then even Kreps should be gone at Hope - of course, some have suggested that.  However, I will say that is simply not the problem and won't happen at Hope nor should it.  Kreps is a great coach and, moreover, IMO (and others as well), it wasn't coaching this year at Hope, but rather the players just didn't make the plays when necessary.  they simply came up short, partly because of the talent some would say (no disrespect intended to the players), but alot of it by "simply the breaks, i.e. no luck" - and I truly believe that does occur; and

b) in following the reasoning in "a" above, Kubiak's offense in their title season three years ago was very good.  They had some huge people on their offensive line and some great inovative plays and play calling.  Likewise, this year, again similar to Hope as I alluded to in a previous post, they weren't that bad, including their offense (which was scrappy and moved the ball well at times) and had some good performances almost winning some games, and some they should have.  As mentioned, if Hope had won the close games they lost, including the early season close ones and particularly against eventual playoff team IWU, I can almost guarantee you that they would have been seen as an entirely different team this year, at least by some.  Still, they need to improve in some areas just like Olivet, and while coaching obviously plays a great deal in that, IMO, the need lies in the "players" right now.  So, my apologies for going a long way around to answer your question in that, yes, I think Kubiak is a good candidate.  But Sparks and Smith are too, and if Olivet is going to stay "in house", I think it will be a tough decision in choosing between some of those guys.  

I also haven't heard if Jones, currently on the staff is interested and/or even being considered.

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 03, 2009, 05:24:52 PM
In other unrelated topics:

It was sad to see that two DIAA i.e. FCS universities took the "Swarthemore" way out and dropped football; Hofstra University dropped football yesterday and Northeastern University did last month (I guess I missed that latter announcement).  Many of you recall that university has had several NFL players in recent years.  Northeastern University joined its "neighbor" Boston University in "throwing in the towel" after 74 years (and, I guess not to forget that Fairfield did the same 3-4 years ago or so - I don't recall the exact year just off hand).  Simply too bad.  An ironic aspect of this is that 4 teams from their league are still in the FCS championship playoffs rounds.  I guess I won't be paying attention (and/or rooting for) to those schools anymore. ;) 

Despite those schools dropping football, there are apparently 13 new programs starting for next year, according to the College Football section on Comcast spots section.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 03, 2009, 07:36:42 PM
RE:  the coaching vacancy at Olivet College.

For what its worth, Noel Dean might be just the ticket for the Comets.  When I moved to the Grand Rapids area in 1990, Lowell High School football was the doormat of the OK White Conference.  Along came Dean and now LHS has trouble filling non-conference dates because no one wants to take on a loss early in the season.

I think Noel Dean would bring energy, enthusiasm, discipline, success, and a strong sense of community to the Olivet campus and their football program ... but I (and the community of Lowell) would sure hate to see him leave his present position.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 03, 2009, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 03, 2009, 07:36:42 PM
RE:  the coaching vacancy at Olivet College.

For what its worth, Noel Dean might be just the ticket for the Comets.  When I moved to the Grand Rapids area in 1990, Lowell High School football was the doormat of the OK White Conference.  Along came Dean and now LHS has trouble filling non-conference dates because no one wants to take on a loss early in the season.

I think Noel Dean would bring energy, enthusiasm, discipline, success, and a strong sense of community to the Olivet campus and their football program ... but I (and the community of Lowell) would sure hate to see him leave his present position.

No doubt, he probably would.  Yet, as has been brought up earlier on the board, do you and/or any of your Lowell area colleagues think Dean would actually leave his highly successful program, very stable (I presume) current teaching job to take over at Olivet College?  It obviously depends on what they would offer (pay) him there and if it was worth it to him to leave Lowell.  Of course, going back to one's alma mater (IMO) is always a lifetime dream for most people and if he has aspirations of being a head coach at the college level, it very well might be for him.  Then again, many young coaches would jump at the chance.  As far as the $, we all know that the small college coaching jobs don't pay that much, but there are obviously other tangibles that may be/ are more important depending on one's personal aspirations, goals, values, etc.

Good input and I'm sure your area people agree with you that it would be sad/a loss to see him leave.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 03, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 03, 2009, 05:24:52 PM
In other unrelated topics:

It was sad to see that two DIAA i.e. FCS universities took the "Swarthemore" way out and dropped football; Hofstra University dropped football yesterday and Northeastern University did last month (I guess I missed that latter announcement).  Many of you recall that university has had several NFL players in recent years.  Northeastern University joined its "neighbor" Boston University in "throwing in the towel" after 74 years (and, I guess not to forget that Fairfield did the same 3-4 years ago or so - I don't recall the exact year just off hand).  Simply too bad.  An ironic aspect of this is that 4 teams from their league are still in the FCS championship playoffs rounds.  I guess I won't be paying attention (and/or rooting for) to those schools anymore. ;) 

Despite those schools dropping football, there are apparently 13 new programs starting for next year, according to the College Football section on Comcast spots section.

even sadder........one less Flying Dutchmen in the ranks.    (although they changed their name to Pride in 2004 for P.C. reasons, but they'll always be the Flying Dutchmen to me)

...also curious despite being a school of Dutch heritage their motto is in French.     Je maintiendray   -- which means I shall maintain........which apparently didn't apply to their nickname or football program. :-\
Title: RE: Olivet Job
Post by: miaaol on December 03, 2009, 11:14:31 PM
Being a close observer of the MIAA since I was done playing (years ago) I have seen a lot of football games involving the Comets.  I remember when they were one of the worst programs in the country.  Like when they lost to Albion something like 80-7.  I also saw Irv (career high school coach) lead them to respectability and made a name for them around the country.  Olivet was actually known for something other than being terrible.  After Irv departed I saw them regress for a couple of season until Sparks had control of the defense and was able to recruit some of his players.  The defense won them the MIAA in 2007, no doubt about it.  So it seems to me the decision comes down to the loyal assistant who had a huge part in the most recent success of the program...or the hot alum who has had major success at the high school level (like Irv).  This is a big hire for Tuski and Bateman.  Hopefully there is some word soon?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on December 04, 2009, 04:14:38 PM
I think we should be carefull before throwing players under the bus for the success, or lack their of, of a program.  I can attest to the quality of talent on the Tri-State team prior to now Trines success and to be honest there isnt a huge difference.  The biggest difference is attitude.  A coaching staff sets the entire tone for the team and if that tone is weak then it wont matter how good of players you have on the team. 

Trines coaches will be the first to give back all the credit to their players for their success because as one coach said "we arent out there playing these games".  But I give them a huge amount of credit for turning the Trine team around and even breathing life into the campus of Trine.  It was an attitude change, not a talent change, that helped Trine become successful.

p.s. The players must be able to buy in to the new vision and changes a coaching staff will make or else it will fail.  The coaches must be strong and willing to sacrifice players that jeopardize that vision.
Title: Re: RE: Olivet Job
Post by: formerd3db on December 04, 2009, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: miaaol on December 03, 2009, 11:14:31 PM
Being a close observer of the MIAA since I was done playing (years ago) I have seen a lot of football games involving the Comets.  I remember when they were one of the worst programs in the country.  Like when they lost to Albion something like 80-7.  I also saw Irv (career high school coach) lead them to respectability and made a name for them around the country.  Olivet was actually known for something other than being terrible.  After Irv departed I saw them regress for a couple of season until Sparks had control of the defense and was able to recruit some of his players.  The defense won them the MIAA in 2007, no doubt about it.  So it seems to me the decision comes down to the loyal assistant who had a huge part in the most recent success of the program...or the hot alum who has had major success at the high school level (like Irv).  This is a big hire for Tuski and Bateman.  Hopefully there is some word soon?

Good points and historical summary.  Remember also that both Irv and Dom were alums -  All-MIAA football players at Olivet.  Indeed, I would assume they would want to make a decision by Christmas/New Year's i.e. before the semester is out for the holidays.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 04, 2009, 05:50:47 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on December 04, 2009, 04:14:38 PM
I think we should be carefull before throwing players under the bus for the success, or lack their of, of a program.  I can attest to the quality of talent on the Tri-State team prior to now Trines success and to be honest there isnt a huge difference.  The biggest difference is attitude.  A coaching staff sets the entire tone for the team and if that tone is weak then it wont matter how good of players you have on the team. 

Trines coaches will be the first to give back all the credit to their players for their success because as one coach said "we arent out there playing these games".  But I give them a huge amount of credit for turning the Trine team around and even breathing life into the campus of Trine.  It was an attitude change, not a talent change, that helped Trine become successful.

p.s. The players must be able to buy in to the new vision and changes a coaching staff will make or else it will fail.  The coaches must be strong and willing to sacrifice players that jeopardize that vision.

I agree with you about the "attitude" aspect.  That was a huge aspect for the Northwestern turnaround (and, again, I have to throw Olivet in there as well).  Players for years there had the attitude they couldn't win and until Barnett changed that attitude (and now Fitz as their coach in continuing that), they believe they can win.  As I've said many times, these type of schools may never be powerhouses, but they are competitive and, indeed, can win the league title on occasion.

That being said, you still have to have talent to a large degree.  I think I mentioned this before, however, there are many very good high school football players who are not quite good enough to play at the DIII level because the base of talent pool is quite even and in many cases better.  By that I mean, you see all the time at various programs that all state players at smaller high school divisions are on the team, and while very good players, in some cases they just aren't able to compete consistently all the time with other players on the teams who simply have even better talent.  I'm not saying players can't improve and become good, heck even great during the course of their college careers, if they stick it out in "climbing the ladder" for playing time, because that does happen for sure commonly i.e. there are many "late bloomers/developers".  Some of that also depends on being at the "right place at the right time" i.e. the #'s game at one's position (and even, unfortunately, moving up on the depth chart due to the "injury factor".  However, if you don't have some players of higher calibur talent, you are not going to win consistently - and again, as many have said, I believe there is truth to the aspect that many of the higher talented players who used to go to the DIII schools are being picked up by the now increased DII programs and attraction for that in many aspects - at least in our Midwest area that appears to be a huge factor.  I don't think anyone is trying to "throw players under the  bus", but rather being realistic that talent, indeed, is a major part (factor) of the puzzle.

One question: how would you then have compared as well as described the situation at Trine (then Tri-State) in their undefeated NAIA team?  Do you not think there was a change in talent to some degree in the transition period going from scholarship to non-scholarship football?  Or are you saying that was entirely attitude in regards to the various coaching staff transition also?  While I obviously do not know anything as such about their program at that time as far as some of these details, still I have a hard time believing that a combination of the "needed" factors I've mentioned didn't play a part, at least to some degree, in all that.  Again, you make some good comments in the discussion. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on December 05, 2009, 02:31:13 AM
Actually during Tri-States most recent 0-10 season there were still several scholarship players on the team from the NAIA transition.  They were amazingly talented players but at that point in their career I dont know how much they cared about winning.  I vividly remember my freshman year and thinking "this is not what college football should be!" when I saw the attitude of the team and the coaching staff.

I personally was hardly recruited out of high school to play in college and would hardly call myself an "amazing" athlete or an "impact" player, but I had the opportunity to start on the varsity for 4 years at Tri-state/Trine and to help them get to where they are today.  So I dont know if it is so important to get the quality of player in DIII but the quality of person to play for your team.  Obviously you want the best talent on the field that you can get, but ultimatly DIII is about the STUDENT athlete not about the student ATHLETE.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 05, 2009, 08:52:55 AM
Well said, BOYA87.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on December 05, 2009, 06:41:17 PM
Just to reiterate a little on what Boya said, the last year Tri State went 0-10, there were many players on the team that were scholarship players or would have been on scholarship had the school remained NAIA.  The attitude of the team however was horrible.  It was if players were going through the motions and it would have been great to win but if we lost it wasn't a big deal.  The first team workout Coach Land found out who wanted to work hard and wanted to win and those who were just there because it was football.  Those who didn't want to make the sacrifice chose not to and left the team.  For us returners, we wanted to work as hard as we could and show everyone that we could play. 

While at Trine, I saw numerous very talented athletes come and go for numerous reasons.  Coach Land made it very clear that if you came to Trine you were going to work your butt off in the classroom and on the football field.  If you didn't there were serious consequences.  And if you did work hard, the team would be rewarded.  As those mentality spread throughout the team it made everyone better. 

As the team has reached success in the MIAA, the talent of the players coming in may be getting better but the coaching staff has not loosened up their standards in saying they only want kids who are gonna work hard in the classroom first and foremost and also on the football field. 

So, I guess what I'm trying to say in all my babbling is that attitude has been the biggest factor in turning around the program at Trine.  And all the credit goes to the coaches for instilling that into the players on the team
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2009, 09:12:18 AM
Thanks for the additional comments and insight Diezel.  For sure, Trine's success is not only good for them, but good for our MIAA.

BTW, who are you (and for that matter all our colleagues here) predicting will win next weekend's games to get into the Stagg Bowl?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on December 07, 2009, 08:36:16 AM
This might be a little redundant, but as the other former Tri State/Trine player on these boards, I will put my two cents in on the attitude vs talent issue.

I dont think it was necessarily one factor over the other that lead the turnaround, but how the right attitude lead to better talant on the team.  I cannot agree more that some of the most talented players I have ever played with were the few NAIA scholarship guys that played into the transition to DIII.  But, like it has been pointed out, they were just going through the motions, not caring about the outcome.  When the new coaching staff came and the attitude of the program changed, it caused a lot of talented football players to quit the team.  I remember some of the offseason meetings that were held in a classroom because there were only about 30 returning players on the team.

So the talent has always been there, the difference is now, with a better team attitude, the talent stays on the team.  The winning attitude that  has been instilled by the coaches has been the factor that keeps the talented players on the team for four years, instead of a "one and done". 

Of course, the recent success has made it easier to recruit talented players to the team, and hopefully those players will buy into the winning attitude and stay in the program for four years.  This is a cycle, that if kept going, could lead to long term sucess for the program.

Relating this to the Olivet coaching vacancy, I think getting a coach that can change the attitude of the program and the University would be the right fit.  It is easier to hire someone that the players are fimiliar with, but sometimes shaking things up is the better way to go. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on December 07, 2009, 08:39:36 AM
As far as the Stagg Bowl match up: 

I dont want to see the rematch for the 17th year in a row ::), but i think MU and UWW are the class of Division III football and will meet once again.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on December 07, 2009, 10:06:34 AM
Unfortunately I don't think there will be any shake up in the championship this year and once again it will be UWW vs. MUC.  Both teams are just way too good and unless something catastrophic happens it will be another rematch in Salem
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on December 07, 2009, 06:14:30 PM
Lets not be too quick to put MU and UWW back in the Stagg Bowl so quick!  You gotta look deep into each matchup and I think I have found an upset.  Linfield will be playing at UWW this Saturday and after much deliberation and research I think I have found the 1 common denominator that makes for a championship DIII team...their colors!  Linfield also has purple as their primary color which I think gives them a great chance to be amoung the other elite teams in DIII(Mount Union=Purple, UWW=Purple).  So watch for an upset and a new team wearing purple in the Stagg Bowl this year!  I think after Tri-States name change to Trine and color change, that they would have been better advised to put purple on those uniforms somewhere if they ever want to win a national championship!  That is obviously what seperates MU and WWU from the others.




::)I hope you all take this post as light hearted as I meant it to be ::) :D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2009, 06:44:45 PM
Yes, I took it as light-hearted, but there may be something there!  UMHB (generally regarded as #3 the last few years, and loser to Linfield in round two)) - purple.  UST (reasonably close loser to Linfield on Saturday in the Elite 8 ) - purple.  I haven't gone through all the teams, but has any purple team this year lost to a non-purple team?! ;D

More seriously, while I expect MUC to handle Wesley with ease, I think Linfield has a reasonably decent chance of upsetting UWW this Saturday (and would feel that way even if they wore royal blue ;)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on December 07, 2009, 08:47:32 PM
Defiance was 4-6 and Bluffton was 0-10.  Five of those sixteen losses were to non-purple wearing MIAA teams.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2009, 09:18:56 PM
Quote from: altor on December 07, 2009, 08:47:32 PM
Defiance was 4-6 and Bluffton was 0-10.  Five of those sixteen losses were to non-purple wearing MIAA teams.  ;)

Duh - I meant among the playoff teams. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
Alfred lost to Albright. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2009, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
Alfred lost to Albright. :)

If that's the only exception (and assuming Wesley doesn't shock the world at Alliance on Saturday), we stand at:

6 of 32 playoff teams wear purple.
1 lost of a non-purple team.
4 lost to a purple team.
1 took home walnut-and-bronze. :o ;D

Or, an alternative accounting:

Purple teams went 0-1, 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, and 5-0!

Or, purple: 15-5; all other colors: 16-26.

I think I'm ready to sign on to this conspiracy theory! 8)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 07, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
Since this is the MIAA board

Someone needs to get Albion ( purple uni's ) back into the playoff mode and complete the purple dominance

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on December 08, 2009, 09:58:41 AM
So even though real men wear pink, championship football teams must wear purple  :). I wonder how long it will take for the other divisions to pick up on this?? And I also wonder if this will be used as a recruiting tool for incoming freshmen??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 09, 2009, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on December 07, 2009, 06:14:30 PM
Lets not be too quick to put MU and UWW back in the Stagg Bowl so quick!  You gotta look deep into each matchup and I think I have found an upset.  Linfield will be playing at UWW this Saturday and after much deliberation and research I think I have found the 1 common denominator that makes for a championship DIII team...their colors!  Linfield also has purple as their primary color which I think gives them a great chance to be amoung the other elite teams in DIII(Mount Union=Purple, UWW=Purple).  So watch for an upset and a new team wearing purple in the Stagg Bowl this year!  I think after Tri-States name change to Trine and color change, that they would have been better advised to put purple on those uniforms somewhere if they ever want to win a national championship!  That is obviously what seperates MU and WWU from the others.




::)I hope you all take this post as light hearted as I meant it to be ::) :D ;D

BOYA87,

You may have a good point that maybe another purple team arrives at the Stagg Bowl. However, I would not put too much money on that happening!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 09, 2009, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2009, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
Alfred lost to Albright. :)

If that's the only exception (and assuming Wesley doesn't shock the world at Alliance on Saturday), we stand at:

6 of 32 playoff teams wear purple.
1 lost of a non-purple team.
4 lost to a purple team.
1 took home walnut-and-bronze. :o ;D

Or, an alternative accounting:

Purple teams went 0-1, 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, and 5-0!

Or, purple: 15-5; all other colors: 16-26.

I think I'm ready to sign on to this conspiracy theory! 8)

That is why TCU is being kept out of the BCS Championship Game.  They don't want to have to admit to the conspiracy!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
You guys are aweful quiet on here!  I assume you are all busy with your jobs as well as trying to finish your Christmas shopping! >:( ::)  What, no opinions on the ND coaching selection and process?  Also, what goes, do you think this weekend in both the DII Championship with Grand Valley State as well as our DIII semi-finals?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 11, 2009, 05:41:38 PM
ND made the hire they should have made 5 years ago.


GVSU will win, and Chuck Martin won't have to run across the field to tell the other coach he won't call t.o. to stop the clock in the final minute.

Mt.Union/Whitewater.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 11, 2009, 07:37:49 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
You guys are aweful quiet on here!  I assume you are all busy with your jobs as well as trying to finish your Christmas shopping! >:( ::)  What, no opinions on the ND coaching selection and process?  Also, what goes, do you think this weekend in both the DII Championship with Grand Valley State as well as our DIII semi-finals?

former3db,

Who do you like in these games and Why?

Mount Union/Wesley

Linfield/Whitewater
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 11, 2009, 07:37:49 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
You guys are aweful quiet on here!  I assume you are all busy with your jobs as well as trying to finish your Christmas shopping! >:( ::)  What, no opinions on the ND coaching selection and process?  Also, what goes, do you think this weekend in both the DII Championship with Grand Valley State as well as our DIII semi-finals?

former3db,

Who do you like in these games and Why?

Mount Union/Wesley

Linfield/Whitewater


Raider68:

I agree with what beenhit2hard said over on your OAC board tonight in that Wesley has the potential to play tough against Mount and quite possibly if they played their best game ever, could upset them.  However, I don't think that will happen.  While they are a very good team (and perhaps similar to the Rowan team the year they upset Mount), my "gut feeling" is that Wesley will falter as they did last year and Mount will win by a handy score.

As far as the other semi-final game, both Linfield and Wis-Whitewater are very good teams as well.  I'm not sure because we all know how that old cliche goes in that "anything can happen in the playoffs".  I like both teams, and while some people would like to see a different match-up this year (no offense intended to our Wis-Whitewater fans/colleagues), my "gut feeling" is that it will once again be Mount Union/Wis-Whitewater in the Stagg Bowl.

How about you?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 11, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 11, 2009, 07:37:49 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
You guys are aweful quiet on here!  I assume you are all busy with your jobs as well as trying to finish your Christmas shopping! >:( ::)  What, no opinions on the ND coaching selection and process?  Also, what goes, do you think this weekend in both the DII Championship with Grand Valley State as well as our DIII semi-finals?

former3db,

Who do you like in these games and Why?

Mount Union/Wesley

Linfield/Whitewater


Raider68:

I agree with what beenhit2hard said over on your OAC board tonight in that Wesley has the potential to play tough against Mount and quite possibly if they played their best game ever, could upset them.  However, I don't think that will happen.  While they are a very good team (and perhaps similar to the Rowan team the year they upset Mount), my "gut feeling" is that Wesley will falter as they did last year and Mount will win by a handy score.

As far as the other semi-final game, both Linfield and Wis-Whitewater are very good teams as well.  I'm not sure because we all know how that old cliche goes in that "anything can happen in the playoffs".  I like both teams, and while some people would like to see a different match-up this year (no offense intended to our Wis-Whitewater fans/colleagues), my "gut feeling" is that it will once again be Mount Union/Wis-Whitewater in the Stagg Bowl.

How about you?


Former 3db,

Thanks for your response and I agree with your assessment!

Let's see how it plays out. but by 4 PM I think Mount and "that other team up North" will be in VA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2009, 05:41:38 PM
ND made the hire they should have made 5 years ago.


GVSU will win, and Chuck Martin won't have to run across the field to tell the other coach he won't call t.o. to stop the clock in the final minute.

Mt.Union/Whitewater.

Sac, in reply to your replies:

...and the one that Michigan State should have made also 3 years ago.

I agree.

I agree.

Right now, I'm watching a pretty good FCS semi-final game William & Mary @ Villinova.  Looks like 'Nova, the higher ranked team and who had beaten W & M in the regular season back in October, might be in jepordy of not making it to the national championship game next Friday.  Surprising somewhat since 'Nova beat New Hampshire last weekend.  On the other hand, neither of these teams have been to the title game so it will be good to see that one of will, indeed, do so this year.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 10:54:31 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for yours!  Are you going to the game tomorrow?  If so, you'd better dress warm. :D  I'd love to be going to the Stagg Bowl next weekend, however, we're having an early Christmas with my brother and some of our family as I have to work for actual Christmas weekend, while the other portion of our family won't be here until New Year's so we'll have the remaining Christmas holiday with them.  So it looks like I'll have to plan for next year.  The one good thing about all that is at least I'll be very warm and comfortable, having snacks, sitting in our family room watching the Stagg Bowl on HD TV and not freezing outside in Salem Stadium! ;D  Plus, I won't have the 10 hour drive back home!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2009, 10:18:31 AM
I spoke too soon when posting last night while watching the FCS semi-final game of William & Mary @ Villinova.  'Nova was getting killed in the first half and couldn't do anything against W & M, although they were still in the game with the score only being 10-0.  Offensive line of  W & M was blowing open some big holes (although there was a lot of offensive holding going on that wasn't being called - yet they started calling it late in the second half).  'Nova came back to score and held on for a 14-13 win.  As the ESPN announcers said, it was not a "pretty win", but nonetheless a win for 'Nova and it was a good to see a close, exciting game in the semi's of the FCS playoffs for once.  Now, if 'Nova can pull off the win in the national championship game next Friday night now annually held in Chattenooga, TN (nice stadium complex there for the Univ. of Chattenooga) then it will have come "full circle" for 'Nova in their (hi)storied football program since bringing it back 25 years ago after dropping it for a year.  The other semi-final is today with Appal. State (yes, you remember them from U of Mich's loss to them 2(?) years ago) vs. a very good Montana team.  Should then be a good national championship game next week whoever wins that one.

As far as today, we'll be watching to see if our Grand Valley State can win another national championship in the DII title game today in Florence, AL.  GSVU is becoming like Mount Union in DIII (especially if they win this one). ;)  Although obviously not a given, I think they have a good chance in winning today.  We'll see. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 12, 2009, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 10:54:31 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for yours!  Are you going to the game tomorrow?  If so, you'd better dress warm. :D  I'd love to be going to the Stagg Bowl next weekend, however, we're having an early Christmas with my brother and some of our family as I have to work for actual Christmas weekend, while the other portion of our family won't be here until New Year's so we'll have the remaining Christmas holiday with them.  So it looks like I'll have to plan for next year.  The one good thing about all that is at least I'll be very warm and comfortable, having snacks, sitting in our family room watching the Stagg Bowl on HD TV and not freezing outside in Salem Stadium! ;D  Plus, I won't have the 10 hour drive back home!

former3db,

Sorry W & M lost, we have ties to Virginia and well as Michigan. For one, we have been a long standing members of The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation.

We live about 20 miles from the Mount campus in Alliance. I will be leaving for the game soon, but fighting a bad cold. My wife has the same, but is not going to the game. I am the "diehard". Let you know how it went when
I return.

GO Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 12, 2009, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 12, 2009, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 10:54:31 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for yours!  Are you going to the game tomorrow?  If so, you'd better dress warm. :D  I'd love to be going to the Stagg Bowl next weekend, however, we're having an early Christmas with my brother and some of our family as I have to work for actual Christmas weekend, while the other portion of our family won't be here until New Year's so we'll have the remaining Christmas holiday with them.  So it looks like I'll have to plan for next year.  The one good thing about all that is at least I'll be very warm and comfortable, having snacks, sitting in our family room watching the Stagg Bowl on HD TV and not freezing outside in Salem Stadium! ;D  Plus, I won't have the 10 hour drive back home!

former3db,

Sorry W & M lost, we have ties to Virginia and well as Michigan. For one, we have been a long standing members of The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation.

We live about 20 miles from the Mount campus in Alliance. I will be leaving for the game soon, but fighting a bad cold. My wife has the same, but is not going to the game. I am the "diehard". Let you know how it went when
I return.

GO Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Former3db

Here is my take on the game;

1. A good crowd with sun and some wind, but a nice crisp day for a
    semi-final game.

2. Wesley was the size of Central Michigan, with speed and a lot of
    Swagger.

3. The keys to Mount's win were:

     - controlled the line of scrimmage
     -  4 turnovers (3 pics, 1 fumble)
     - controlled the tempo, even though lost starting QB in Qtr 1
     - second half surge by All- America WR who took over as QB
       (Cecil Shorts) top offensive player in North region this year
     - Defense held Wesley to only 1 of 5 in 3rd down conversions

4.  They will be ready for the Stagg and so will Kurt Rocco, Now UWW
      has something to think about with Shorts.

5. My personal prediction for the Game was Mount 31-14, so at 24-7
    I was close.

I hope you can watch the Stagg, and all the best to you and your family
for the Holidays! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2009, 05:50:11 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 12, 2009, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 12, 2009, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2009, 10:54:31 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for yours!  Are you going to the game tomorrow?  If so, you'd better dress warm. :D  I'd love to be going to the Stagg Bowl next weekend, however, we're having an early Christmas with my brother and some of our family as I have to work for actual Christmas weekend, while the other portion of our family won't be here until New Year's so we'll have the remaining Christmas holiday with them.  So it looks like I'll have to plan for next year.  The one good thing about all that is at least I'll be very warm and comfortable, having snacks, sitting in our family room watching the Stagg Bowl on HD TV and not freezing outside in Salem Stadium! ;D  Plus, I won't have the 10 hour drive back home!

former3db,

Sorry W & M lost, we have ties to Virginia and well as Michigan. For one, we have been a long standing members of The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation.

We live about 20 miles from the Mount campus in Alliance. I will be leaving for the game soon, but fighting a bad cold. My wife has the same, but is not going to the game. I am the "diehard". Let you know how it went when
I return.

GO Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Former3db

Here is my take on the game;

1. A good crowd with sun and some wind, but a nice crisp day for a
    semi-final game.

2. Wesley was the size of Central Michigan, with speed and a lot of
    Swagger.

3. The keys to Mount's win were:

     - controlled the line of scrimmage
     -  4 turnovers (3 pics, 1 fumble)
     - controlled the tempo, even though lost starting QB in Qtr 1
     - second half surge by All- America WR who took over as QB
       (Cecil Shorts) top offensive player in North region this year
     - Defense held Wesley to only 1 of 5 in 3rd down conversions

4.  They will be ready for the Stagg and so will Kurt Rocco, Now UWW
      has something to think about with Shorts.

5. My personal prediction for the Game was Mount 31-14, so at 24-7
    I was close.

I hope you can watch the Stagg, and all the best to you and your family
for the Holidays! :)

Raider68:

My ramblings:

1) See my post over on your OAC board re: Rocco.

2)Glad you had a good time at the game, and, of course, congratulations that your alma mater won.  Sounds like it was a good game.  While you were pretty much right on with your prediction and, I also suspected that Wesley might not have just enough "guns" to pull the upset, I'm still somewhat surprised that if they were the size of Central Michigan as you mention (which I don't doubt at all since you were at CMU in the past and familiar with them) that Wesley didn't have the power to overwhelm and beat Mount.  That tells me even more about how good Mount teams are, although I know that from having seen them play in the last 10 years.

3) I will, indeed, watch the Stagg on ESPN.  Watched GVSU self-destruct today in their championship game, although Northwest Missouri State, indeed, deserved to win the game.  It nice for them and their coach to get the "monkey off their back" after losing the last 4 consecutive DII title games, including two to GSVU - although NWMS has won two DII titles themselves the last back in 1999 with this same current head coach, prior to this third one today.

4) For sure a disappointment for Coach Martin, his team and the players.  I thought that GSVU looked very disheveled out there today.  While they played with great determination in the second half and almost tied the game, they just didn't quite have it.  Too many miscues, no sharpness.  Also, I am not a fan of these offenses that have the team almost get set, then everyone steps back, looks over to the sideline, gets the play (or its check-off), then returns to set and then the play.  In a situation like today's game, it many times makes for too much confusion, too rushed and loss of value seconds on the clock, especially if you are trying to play "catch-up" and not having your "A game" performance for that particular day like GSVU was today.  Critics will argue that the good teams can do that i.e. it's like running a great "2 minute" mode, and while that is true many times, IMO overall, it doesn't run smoothly many other times.  It's not my personal choice of style, but then again, I've been accused of being "old school" and still living in the '70's ;D ::)

5) Speaking of games, it looks like it will be a good FCS National championship next Friday (the night before the Stagg) as I mentioned.  The Montana/Appal St. game is pretty good right now.

6) Predictions for tonight's Heisman?  I would like to see the Stanford guy win it.

7) It was also great to see Wayne State's RB win the Harlan Hill Trophy in DII.

Also, thanks for the holiday well-wishes and I wish the same to you and your wife and family.  My wife has a nasty cold right now as well, so I hope all of you get better soon.  That is no fun.  (I'm telling my wife to stay away from me temporarily so I don't get her cold!!! ;D)  Again, hope you have a great time at the Stagg Bowl. Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 13, 2009, 08:06:55 AM
Yesterday I told my wife that if GVSU won another national champtionship, Coach Martin would move on to be the DC at ND ... and if they lost, he would be back at GVSU to take another shot at it.  Now we shall see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 13, 2009, 09:26:30 AM
The App St vs. Montana game was one of the best games i have seen in a long time.  a night game in Montana, mid December, during a winter storm warning, and about 1000 fans with no shirts on (including girls in sportsbra) and it is below 0.  that place was going crazy one of the best atmospheres i think i have ever seen.   the only way you could tell the student section was the ratio of shirtless bodies increased but the whole place was going nuts.  too bad for AppSt the WR dropped the tying TD.  would have loved to seen that one go to OT.

you think TV mad the call for it to be a night game when it would be bitter cold or did the host site get to choose.  i know the boys from north carolina must have been thrilled!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 13, 2009, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 13, 2009, 09:26:30 AM
The App St vs. Montana game was one of the best games i have seen in a long time.

you think TV mad the call for it to be a night game when it would be bitter cold or did the host site get to choose.  i know the boys from north carolina must have been thrilled!

At 34 degrees, overcast, and raining - Boone wouldn't have been much better!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
I agree - the Montana/Appal. State game was one of the best I've seen in a long time as well.  It was great seeing the stadium at capacity as you mentioned.  I, too, would have liked to see it go into overtime, and it was disappointing for that WR to drop the potentially game tying TD.  I do believe, however, that Appal. State's QB did not throw his passes as well in those last 4 plays near the goal line.  While he was pressured, he tried to force the passes in covered situations rather than looking for the other outlets and/or had already made a decision at before or at the snap as to which specific receiver he was going to throw to.  Still, he had a great, natural arm especially throwing in those weather conditions.  Regardless, both teams played well and Montana did deserve to win.  I guess it is just fitting that they, as the #1 ranked team be playing in the final i.e. title game next week.  As I've said, I think that will be a good game against 'Nova.

cave2bens - I think you are right!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2009, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 13, 2009, 08:06:55 AM
Yesterday I told my wife that if GVSU won another national champtionship, Coach Martin would move on to be the DC at ND ... and if they lost, he would be back at GVSU to take another shot at it.  Now we shall see.

I think you are probably right.  The ESPN announcers mentioned that Martin had said since he had turned down Kelly twice, that his opportunity had probably been now missed i.e. he was skeptical that Kelly would ask him now to come to ND.  Had he gone to Cincy with Kelly, I think that he would definitely be at ND with Kelly.  Martin said he would go to ND if asked by Kelly regardless of the outcome of the title game, however, now that GSVU lost it, I agree with you that it is less likely he will be at ND i.e. I think that if Kelly was still thinking even the slightest about asking him, now that they lost, that slight chance is possibly gone (although in reality, why would it be?  If Kelly thought he was good enough before, why not now, just because of one game loss.  You have to look at the overall record as well as "state of the program".  Anyway, as you say, we will have to wait and see what plays out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 14, 2009, 01:10:22 PM
formerd3db,

Hope things are well for you.  I'm trying to get down to Salem this Saturday, but its "wait and see" with work.  I referenced the "hit" from Justin Harris in 1999 on the OAC board... you might find it interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2009, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on December 14, 2009, 01:10:22 PM
formerd3db,

Hope things are well for you.  I'm trying to get down to Salem this Saturday, but its "wait and see" with work.  I referenced the "hit" from Justin Harris in 1999 on the OAC board... you might find it interesting.

AF (formerly SF):

Thanks, I'm doing fine - plugging along and surviving like you and everyone else.  I hope you have a great time at the Stagg Bowl - say hello to all our d3fb.com guys/colleagues for me.  I wish I could join you there.  I did go back and read your reference about that hit up at Alma that year you were involved in and remember it well.  I agree with you - when it comes to concussions (and especially if there are other residual complications i.e. siezures, headaches, etc.) you don't mess around with those.  In fact, my son-in-law just had one last Thurs night - a former collegiate player, he now is an assist. coach for his h.s. hockey team and fell on the ice at practice.  He had a grade III one also.  I sat with him in the ER for about 4-5 hours - they admitted him overnight, he is doing better, but has some residual headache, and very lucky (CT scan neg).  He got my "lecture" about not wearing his helmet, even for practice! ;D  After last year's tragic incident involving Liam Nissan's wife, I wasn't taking any chances.  Anyway, I'm glad the NFL is taking a harder look at this - even at that level, IMO, the players are crazy if they take chances as many have said they do, but you know that many will continue to do so if they can get away with it.  At least at the collegiate level, it is good to see the training staffs and team physician staffs "play it by the book".  

BTW, I see you switched your posting "nickname" - but we know we'll still enjoy the same SF's levity and insight! :D :o  Take care and again, have a great and SAFE time at the Stagg Bowl.  I'll be watching on TV and perhaps we'll see you on the ESPN cameras!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2009, 09:32:24 PM
Speaking of hits, did any of you see that hit that the Northwest Missouri State special teams player put on that Grand Valley State player in Saturday's NCAA Div. II title game?  While a legal hit, it was scary and certainly the best hit of the year IMO at any of the collegiate levels I've seen, and quite possibly the best hit I've ever seen.  I still cringe at seeing the reply.  I hope the GVSU player is okay - haven't heard that he isn't, but certainly hope he is fine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 14, 2009, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 14, 2009, 09:32:24 PM
Speaking of hits, did any of you see that hit that the Northwest Missouri State special teams player put on that Grand Valley State player in Saturday's NCAA Div. II title game?  While a legal hit, it was scary and certainly the best hit of the year IMO at any of the collegiate levels I've seen, and quite possibly the best hit I've ever seen.  I still cringe at seeing the reply.  I hope the GVSU player is okay - haven't heard that he isn't, but certainly hope he is fine.

Former 3db,

I remember in high school, all you did was run. In college all you did was hit,
but I do not remember the bone crushing hits we are seeing most recently.
It happens now at all levels of college football, not to mention the pros!

I am glad my son was a big soccer player!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2009, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 14, 2009, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 14, 2009, 09:32:24 PM
Speaking of hits, did any of you see that hit that the Northwest Missouri State special teams player put on that Grand Valley State player in Saturday's NCAA Div. II title game?  While a legal hit, it was scary and certainly the best hit of the year IMO at any of the collegiate levels I've seen, and quite possibly the best hit I've ever seen.  I still cringe at seeing the reply.  I hope the GVSU player is okay - haven't heard that he isn't, but certainly hope he is fine.

Former 3db,

I remember in high school, all you did was run. In college all you did was hit,
but I do not remember the bone crushing hits we are seeing most recently.
It happens now at all levels of college football, not to mention the pros!

I am glad my son was a big soccer player!

That hit reminded me of my own similar experiences.  I was involved in one hit like that in high school and one in college (both of which I, thankfully, was the "giver" and not the "receiver"! ;D :o.  In both of them, however, I did have a minor injury to myself - in the h.s. incident, I bit my own tongue and slightly sprained my ankle (the guy I hit was "knocked out" for a few seconds, but was okay eventually) and the one in college, while the QB I hit was sacked for a 5 yard loss and stunned, so was I as I saw a few "stars" and was headed toward the oppoenents sideline when one of my fellow DB teammates, grabbed me and said, "come on, our sideline is this way" and proceeded to escort me there! ;D

Anyway, I know what you mean - in that regard, I guess it is good your son was a soccer player (although as you know that stuff can happen there also), but even better - my wife and I had two daughters so such collisions were avoided.  Yet we had "collisions" of other sorts at times!!! ;D

Hope you have a great time at the Stagg Bowl.  You should hook up (or at least meet) Andy (former SaintsFAN) there if you get the chance.

Title: Olivet
Post by: rome on December 16, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
Look for something to happen this weekend--would not be suprised if the name is released by Monday.
Title: Re: Olivet
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2009, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: rome on December 16, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
Look for something to happen this weekend--would not be suprised if the name is released by Monday.

rome:

It's about time you chimed in here! ;D  You've been away from the board for too long - we missed you this season.  Anyway, while Olivet has kept quiet about info concerning the football coaching search (which is understandable), what is your opinion as to who you think might be the leading candidate?  I realize this is pure speculation, however, was just curious as to your own personal opinion? (assuming you have heard of some of the potential candidates that may have applied). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 17, 2009, 02:27:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 16, 2009, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: rome on December 16, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
Look for something to happen this weekend--would not be suprised if the name is released by Monday.

rome:

It's about time you chimed in here! ;D  You've been away from the board for too long - we missed you this season.  Anyway, while Olivet has kept quiet about info concerning the football coaching search (which is understandable), what is your opinion as to who you think might be the leading candidate?  I realize this is pure speculation, however, was just curious as to your own personal opinion? (assuming you have heard of some of the potential candidates that may have applied). 

Former 3db,

Any chance of interest in any former Raider guys for the HC? Would program attract any top talent out there?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2009, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 17, 2009, 02:27:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 16, 2009, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: rome on December 16, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
Look for something to happen this weekend--would not be suprised if the name is released by Monday.

rome:

It's about time you chimed in here! ;D  You've been away from the board for too long - we missed you this season.  Anyway, while Olivet has kept quiet about info concerning the football coaching search (which is understandable), what is your opinion as to who you think might be the leading candidate?  I realize this is pure speculation, however, was just curious as to your own personal opinion? (assuming you have heard of some of the potential candidates that may have applied). 

Former 3db,

Any chance of interest in any former Raider guys for the HC? Would program attract any top talent out there?

Raider68:
I sent you a personal message in reply to this as I was on that forum at that time. ;D  Anyway, from what we've heard via the "rumor mill" Olivet should be making an announcement soon - I assume before Christmas if they get done with the interviewing whatever candidates they've invited for such.  On another topic, if you made it down to Roanoke/Salem for the Stagg Bowl, what are you doing to pass the time this afternoon with the game delay until it (hopefully) starts about 4 PM?   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2009, 10:43:29 PM
Apparently no word yet from Olivet. :-\ :-X ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on December 22, 2009, 09:41:03 AM
My source tells me their candidate asked for more time (no hurry with students off-campus and no recruiting till after the new year)...but I could not get a name....IMOP  OC should bring back Irv and get this rolling again...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 22, 2009, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 21, 2009, 10:43:29 PM
Apparently no word yet from Olivet. :-\ :-X ;D

former3db,

Who are the lead candidates for Olivet? I would think filling the HC position as soon as possible is critical for recruiting. Any progress now is key down the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on December 22, 2009, 01:41:16 PM
Slightly off topic of these boards, but noteworthy enough for a mention:

Jilleane Rookard, a Michigan native, is an Olympic U.S. Speed Skater. She lost her mother to a battle with cancer. I just returned from her mom's funeral in Woodhaven, MI.

Jilleane reminds me a lot of a D3 Athlete. She has incredible heart and incredible character. She has fought through adversity and risen through the ranks of the unknowns to accomplish her dream. She is a rising star in the speed skating world. I've gotten to know her as she has trained at the Petit Center in Milwaukee.

Michigan and Wisconsin (and the USA!) has a gem in  Jilleane Rookard.

A part of her story is told in Sunday's edition of the Detroit Free Press:

http://www.freep.com/article/20091220/SPORTS17/912200490/Speedskater-will-draw-inspiration-from-her-mother
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 22, 2009, 05:08:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3BorxSYgyo&feature=player_embedded

This was described to me as the worst trick play ever, maybe if the Giants had scored, but its still terrible.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 22, 2009, 11:45:32 PM
Quote from: rome on December 22, 2009, 09:41:03 AM
My source tells me their candidate asked for more time (no hurry with students off-campus and no recruiting till after the new year)...but I could not get a name....IMOP  OC should bring back Irv and get this rolling again...
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 22, 2009, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 21, 2009, 10:43:29 PM
Apparently no word yet from Olivet. :-\ :-X ;D

former3db,

Who are the lead candidates for Olivet? I would think filling the HC position as soon as possible is critical for recruiting. Any progress now is key down the road.

Rome and Raider:

First, I'm not sure why the "lead" candidate, whoever, he is if he was already offered the job, would ask for more time.  He should have had all his parameters (family, personal, job, financial needs/projections, etc.) already figured out before he applied - and... if he did not know what the potential salary would be that Olivet would offer, I would think he should have inquired after the first round of interviews, if they did it via a sequential process i.e. initial interview, then invited back for a second - although perhasp they did not do it that way.  Yet, at the same time, if this candidate is from "within the system", IMO, he should have had an idea of what the basic package there would probably be.  Moreover, if it involved a family decision i.e. spouse considering this as well, then, again, I think a candidate should have that figured out in his considerations before applying.  I am not intending this to be critical of any of the candidates, rather just "talking out loud here" as to what some of the considerations should be, IMO, for someone who has a serious interest in trying to land the HC job at Olivet, or for that matter, anywhere.

Second, to answer you question Raider, I do not know who the leading candidates are.  what I've heard via the "rumor" mill is what everyone else here has speculated on and discussed from the beginning (although we do know these guys had expressed interest in the job at some time in the past if not the present) i.e. Kubiack, Smith, Sparks on the current staff, with Jones on the current staff and Haygood of Saginaw Valley State being mentioned as possibly having interest.  Other than that, I do not know who else was seriously considered on the Olivet administration's "short list" although I don't doubt there were probably many outside applications from the high school ranks.

Indeed, this is an important decision and while I argued that make such at the DI level for example in the ND situation and others, IMO, while important, is not an absolute necessity in making it before the bowl games even despite the signing date in early February, neither do I think it a "do or die" situation at DIII.  However, that being said, once a school starts the interview process, narrows it down and then apparently offers the job, I think there should be a "window" deadline, for example of 24 hours to decide.  Either one wants the job or not, although we all know of cases where coaches at all the levels, including DI have accepted a job only to change their mind within 24 hours and decide to stay at their current jobs.  Of course, "big" $ plays a big part in that at the DI level, not so much at the DIII level.  Just my thoughts on this and as I've said in the past, it will be interesting to see who ends up accepting the Olivet job.

Almost forgot; Rome, while it would be great to have Irv back, I seriously doubt that will happen.  He said at his last retirement that as he was getting up in years, he was getting tired and mainly wanted to spend more time with his family.  So doubt he would come back; then again, Stagg coached until he was 98 and we've had Paterno and up to this year Bowden as well as Gagliardi at St. Johns.  If Irv did change his mind, in that sense, it might not be a surprise to some - however, I would be surprised. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2009, 12:13:40 AM
I understand Olivet had someone in for an interview last Thursday. If that's so, it might be a stretch for Olivet to have even made an offer yet, and certainly not unusual to expect there wouldn't be a response yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 23, 2009, 07:39:09 AM
Merry Christmas to all, enjoy your family.

Unconfirmed rumor making the rounds in mid Michigan area

Rich Holkuw  Marshall HS AD and Head Football coach has accepted the Olivet Job
Holkuw is a mulitple State Champion coach with 2 decades of coaching experience.
Most recent success State Championship D4 2009 Football

Can not confirm this, just throwing it out for discussion
If this is the case, I would believe it is an attempt to have local draw for football recruits, a proven coach ( HS level) local name recognition.
This would be a hire outside the "family", a direct attempt to change the direction of the program.
Olivet seems to have had huge swings in talent and "game plan", as I have said before regarding "recruits" set a profile of the type of Student Athlete you want in your program and recruit those kids. This holds true for every team, consistency in skill set, coaching, and expectations of student athletes leads to a strong program.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2009, 10:40:13 AM
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2009/12/23/1816/olivet-hires-coach-of-high-school-state-champs.html

Confirmed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 23, 2009, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2009, 10:40:13 AM
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2009/12/23/1816/olivet-hires-coach-of-high-school-state-champs.html

Confirmed.


Obviously this is his most prestigious honor.......
http://www.detroitlions.com/news/article-1/Rich-Hulkow-of-Marshall-Named-Lions-High-School-Coach-of-the-Year/e6eda44f-e0aa-42d4-9f69-cc6304842dbe
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2009, 11:01:44 AM
I believe the runner-up for that honor got to coach the Lions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 23, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2009, 11:01:44 AM
I believe the runner-up for that honor got to coach the Lions.

it was offered, but turned down...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on December 23, 2009, 12:50:07 PM
So, their "national search" extended all of about 10-15 miles!    ::)

Nevertheless, Hulkow is a fine coach who will do a good job at Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: blb on December 23, 2009, 07:18:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2009, 11:01:44 AM
I believe the runner-up for that honor got to coach the Lions.


In 2006 I was notified that I had been named "Detroit Lions Coach of the Week" and was horrified until I realized it was an honorary title awarded to a HS coach each week.

Thought I was actually going to have to coach Millen's losers and misfits for seven days...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 23, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
Surprise selection for Olivet.  While they ended up not going far to select their next head coach and I don't doubt that there were other high school coaches who applied, it does provide a person with an opportunity to get started at the college level if that is their ultimate (or eventual dream).  It may also help with regional recruiting as has been mentioned.  Hopefully, though, this now former high school coach will stay awhile, at least longer than Irv did, despite his being in the high school coaching ranks for quite some time already.  As far as a national search, I'm sure that someone can assure you that it really was. ;D   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 24, 2009, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 23, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
Surprise selection for Olivet.  While they ended up not going far to select their next head coach and I don't doubt that there were other high school coaches who applied, it does provide a person with an opportunity to get started at the college level if that is their ultimate (or eventual dream).  It may also help with regional recruiting as has been mentioned.  Hopefully, though, this now former high school coach will stay awhile, at least longer than Irv did, despite his being in the high school coaching ranks for quite some time already.  As far as a national search, I'm sure that someone can assure you that it really was. ;D   

Former 3db,

The new Olivet coach can  really recruit in the area and knows the where the best players are. The question is, can Olivet as a school attract them vs. the competition.

All the Best for a Merry Christmas to you and your family, Great health and a Happy New Year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2009, 01:01:00 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 24, 2009, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 23, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
Surprise selection for Olivet.  While they ended up not going far to select their next head coach and I don't doubt that there were other high school coaches who applied, it does provide a person with an opportunity to get started at the college level if that is their ultimate (or eventual dream).  It may also help with regional recruiting as has been mentioned.  Hopefully, though, this now former high school coach will stay awhile, at least longer than Irv did, despite his being in the high school coaching ranks for quite some time already.  As far as a national search, I'm sure that someone can assure you that it really was. ;D   

Former 3db,

The new Olivet coach can  really recruit in the area and knows the where the best players are. The question is, can Olivet as a school attract them vs. the competition.

All the Best for a Merry Christmas to you and your family, Great health and a Happy New Year! :)

Raider68:

I would agree with you.  Hopefully, he/they can; I think there is a good chance for that happening.  They've done it at times in recent years (despite the occasion down years during this stretch) and the administration, staff, alumni, etc. have really made commitments in the last decade or so in improving all aspects of the college, including the academic program.  I, for one, like their slogan..."Education for Individual and Social Responsibility".  Anyway, like Zorbo/Kazoo and Deere/Adrian, the "watch will be on".

Thanks for the holiday well wishes and I wish you and your family as well as all our other colleagues/friends here on our board the same.  I've really enjoyed our board here this year, posting with all of you - we've had some great discussions and perhaps more activity than we've had in past years.  I look forward to more of the same in 2010.  A great thanks once again to Pat and his staff for making all this possible in the first place.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: short on December 24, 2009, 01:07:02 PM
I don't know much about this new Coach but I can tell you recruiting at this leave takes a whole lot more than knowing the area and the coaches from the area.  Best of luck to him and his staff (is the rest of the staff the same).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2009, 01:13:33 PM
short:

I agree with you on both statements.  Even at the small college level, recruiting for the sport and the college is a "different animal" and is a different challenge even for the most experiened and successful high school school coach regardless of where they've been and/or come from.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 26, 2009, 06:58:42 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 24, 2009, 01:13:33 PM
short:

I agree with you on both statements.  Even at the small college level, recruiting for the sport and the college is a "different animal" and is a different challenge even for the most experiened and successful high school school coach regardless of where they've been and/or come from. 

One key to recruiting is to convince that "blue Chip' player to come to your
college/university that is a known athlete. Others will follow if they know that the program is moving in the right direction. That process often takes a few years, but if done right it is a building block provided that the program make positive steps!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 28, 2009, 12:15:46 PM
Congrats to Olivet on what looks to be a good coach (although he will be made through recruiting). Question I have is why is he taking it?  I am guessing he is a legend at his former role 2 state titles 1 state runner up, 5 semis, 11 league titles, and well north of 200 wins and a heck of a lot better $ when you factor in teaching for 25+ yrs and that senority He takes a job leaving one he has 25 yrs history as HC to coach a typically bottom half school in the MIAA with 1 win in last 2 yrs and I am assuming the roster is not filled with a lot of returning all league guys!

Only thing I can think of is (you can do this in Ohio) he got his 30yrs and is retiring collecting full pension and dbl dipping with a salary from OC. In Ohio you can work at the same school but you have to take a 30day break. Maybe a different law in MI where you can't dbl dip same place??

What ever the reason it works out for olivet!  Will be interesting to see how he does. Just like you tell a freshman after their first Oklahoma drill. This isn't high school anymore, big difference, welcome to college football!

Happy holidays to all

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 28, 2009, 05:54:23 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 28, 2009, 12:15:46 PM
Congrats to Olivet on what looks to be a good coach (although he will be made through recruiting). Question I have is why is he taking it?  I am guessing he is a legend at his former role 2 state titles 1 state runner up, 5 semis, 11 league titles, and well north of 200 wins and a heck of a lot better $ when you factor in teaching for 25+ yrs and that senority He takes a job leaving one he has 25 yrs history as HC to coach a typically bottom half school in the MIAA with 1 win in last 2 yrs and I am assuming the roster is not filled with a lot of returning all league guys!

Only thing I can think of is (you can do this in Ohio) he got his 30yrs and is retiring collecting full pension and dbl dipping with a salary from OC. In Ohio you can work at the same school but you have to take a 30day break. Maybe a different law in MI where you can't dbl dip same place??

What ever the reason it works out for olivet!  Will be interesting to see how he does. Just like you tell a freshman after their first Oklahoma drill. This isn't high school anymore, big difference, welcome to college football!

Happy holidays to all



70_dc_alum:

I would think it would have to something along those lines.  As much as I love small college football, the truth is the actual coaching jobs do not pay that much.  As such, it is so much easier for these younger coaches who are just getting into the field early in their careers to do just that i.e. make it their career.  For someone like Olivet's new coach, they would have to be faily well set financially to make such a change.  In addition, for a person who is in that type of situation, it is great that they get such an opportunity to make a change and get into college coaching, if that is what they're dream has been at some point in time and/or "just that they are ready for a change".  The other side of the argument, some people might argue that it is obviously easier to appoint a coach from the ranks of those who are already in at that level.  A much smoother transition.

All that being said, I, too, wish the new Olivet coach and their program great success.  However, I will also note and agree with you that, indeed, it is a "very different animal" in coaching college football even at the small college level and in playing the game itself.  Even at DIII, there are some very, very good h.s. athletes that are not good enough to make it at that level; coaching in a college system, recruiting not only for that but the academic aspects of the equation all are totally different than the challenges and duties for coaches at the high school level.  Your quote regarding the 'ole Oklahoma Drill says it all and is so, so true... it brings back a lot of memories i.e. seeing some first time newcome just get smashed in that drill on the first day of contact in preseason camp - "Welcome to college football"!   ;D  ;) :D :o ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 28, 2009, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 28, 2009, 05:54:23 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on December 28, 2009, 12:15:46 PM
Congrats to Olivet on what looks to be a good coach (although he will be made through recruiting). Question I have is why is he taking it?  I am guessing he is a legend at his former role 2 state titles 1 state runner up, 5 semis, 11 league titles, and well north of 200 wins and a heck of a lot better $ when you factor in teaching for 25+ yrs and that senority He takes a job leaving one he has 25 yrs history as HC to coach a typically bottom half school in the MIAA with 1 win in last 2 yrs and I am assuming the roster is not filled with a lot of returning all league guys!

Only thing I can think of is (you can do this in Ohio) he got his 30yrs and is retiring collecting full pension and dbl dipping with a salary from OC. In Ohio you can work at the same school but you have to take a 30day break. Maybe a different law in MI where you can't dbl dip same place??

What ever the reason it works out for olivet!  Will be interesting to see how he does. Just like you tell a freshman after their first Oklahoma drill. This isn't high school anymore, big difference, welcome to college football!

Happy holidays to all



70_dc_alum:

I would think it would have to something along those lines.  As much as I love small college football, the truth is the actual coaching jobs do not pay that much.  As such, it is so much easier for these younger coaches who are just getting into the field early in their careers to do just that i.e. make it their career.  For someone like Olivet's new coach, they would have to be faily well set financially to make such a change.  In addition, for a person who is in that type of situation, it is great that they get such an opportunity to make a change and get into college coaching, if that is what they're dream has been at some point in time and/or "just that they are ready for a change".  The other side of the argument, some people might argue that it is obviously easier to appoint a coach from the ranks of those who are already in at that level.  A much smoother transition.

All that being said, I, too, wish the new Olivet coach and their program great success.  However, I will also note and agree with you that, indeed, it is a "very different animal" in coaching college football even at the small college level and in playing the game itself.  Even at DIII, there are some very, very good h.s. athletes that are not good enough to make it at that level; coaching in a college system, recruiting not only for that but the academic aspects of the equation all are totally different than the challenges and duties for coaches at the high school level.  Your quote regarding the 'ole Oklahoma Drill says it all and is so, so true... it brings back a lot of memories i.e. seeing some first time newcome just get smashed in that drill on the first day of contact in preseason camp - "Welcome to college football"!   ;D  ;) :D :o ::)

former3db,

Great points! Only the top level D3 coaches earn an attractive compensation package and we know there are only a few of them across the board.

A HC has too win his conference and go into the playoffs (multiple times) to command a very respectable salary. The same can be said for D2 as well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 30, 2009, 06:54:49 PM
Thanks Raider68.  You make good points as well.

BTW, did you and all our other colleagues here see the announcement that Grand Valley State Head Coach Chuck Martin has been offered and accepted the defensive backs coaching job at Notre Dame under his former boss Brian Kelly?  I totally missed that the other day (i.e. apparently it was announced Monday).  Does that surprise anyone?  I think not, since Martin had been offered to go with Kelly to both Central Michigan and then Cincinnati, but turned him down.  Also, Martin had said on the day of the Div. III title game that he wasn't sure if Kelly would offer him again at ND since he had turned Kelly down twice before.  In addition, it was considered skeptical by some since GVSU lost the title game this year.  Overall, though I'm not totally surprised.  Some had also just mentioned that a minor consideration/factor was that Martin also had an Irsih/Catholic background and always wanted to consider coaching at ND in some capacity.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see who Grand Valley State picks as their next head coach.  Do any of you know if any of the current staff has a chance at being considered?  Or will they "go outside" this time?  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on December 31, 2009, 12:13:50 PM
I heard that defensive coordinator is the likely choice for head coach.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 31, 2009, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 30, 2009, 06:54:49 PM
Thanks Raider68.  You make good points as well.

BTW, did you and all our other colleagues here see the announcement that Grand Valley State Head Coach Chuck Martin has been offered and accepted the defensive backs coaching job at Notre Dame under his former boss Brian Kelly?  I totally missed that the other day (i.e. apparently it was announced Monday).  Does that surprise anyone?  I think not, since Martin had been offered to go with Kelly to both Central Michigan and then Cincinnati, but turned him down.  Also, Martin had said on the day of the Div. III title game that he wasn't sure if Kelly would offer him again at ND since he had turned Kelly down twice before.  In addition, it was considered skeptical by some since GVSU lost the title game this year.  Overall, though I'm not totally surprised.  Some had also just mentioned that a minor consideration/factor was that Martin also had an Irsih/Catholic background and always wanted to consider coaching at ND in some capacity.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see who Grand Valley State picks as their next head coach.  Do any of you know if any of the current staff has a chance at being considered?  Or will they "go outside" this time?  

Missed this myself.  This means former Michigan and NE Patriot Defensive Back Corwin Brown is available.  Whoever hires him is getting one heck of a recruiter and coach.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 01, 2010, 07:26:29 AM
From the Grand Rapids Press regarding the coaching vacancy at Grand Valley:

http://www.mlive.com/lakers/index.ssf/2009/12/grand_valley_state_begins_inte.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
DBQ1965:

Thanks for the update.  For once, something of substance posted on MLive, although that was easy since it was a legit newspaper column! ::) ;D ;)   It will be interesting to see who GVSU chooses.  There has been some interesting discussion regarding that (i.e. the candidates) over on the WIAC board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 02, 2010, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 02, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
DBQ1965:

Thanks for the update.  For once, something of substance posted on MLive, although that was easy since it was a legit newspaper column! ::) ;D ;)   It will be interesting to see who GVSU chooses.  There has been some interesting discussion regarding that (i.e. the candidates) over on the WIAC board.

former3db,

I wonder if GVSU is just interviewing to say they looked at other candidates
vs. the current staff coach. It would not surprize me if this decision came early next week. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 02, 2010, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 02, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
DBQ1965:

Thanks for the update.  For once, something of substance posted on MLive, although that was easy since it was a legit newspaper column! ::) ;D ;)   It will be interesting to see who GVSU chooses.  There has been some interesting discussion regarding that (i.e. the candidates) over on the WIAC board.

former3db,

I wonder if GVSU is just interviewing to say they looked at other candidates
vs. the current staff coach. It would not surprize me if this decision came early next week. Your thoughts?

Raider68:

I think you are right.  I guess it is somewhat of a "Catch 22" if I may borrow that old phrase.  On one hand, if they pick the current staff coach, some people are going to say it was "nepotism"; while on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me that some people would be upset if they didn't pick him.  I'm sure all the candidates are good, including him and also Liepold from UW-W.  It is a tough decision, for sure, yet, like you, I won't be surprised if they make the announcement sometime this week.

On a similar albeit tangent topic, I think it will also be interesting to see who these various new head coaches at all the levels end up picking for their resepctive staffs.  BTW, has anyone heard if Texas Tech said anything about giving that interim coach the "permanent" title as yet?  He did a great job against Michigan State last night in the Alamo Bowl and seemed to be a really nice, honest and grateful person in the interviews.  While anyone can get lucky in a game in that type of situation that he was placed in, on the other hand, you do have to have some talent and experience to handle such situations and he's been at TT for a few years, knows the system, the staff, administration and kids.  Speaking of that, it sure was terrible what some of those TT fans have been saying and doing in that situation.   Those people are crazy, dangerous and "have no clue".  Guess it takes all kinds to make up this world as that saying goes. :o ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 03, 2010, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 03, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 02, 2010, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 02, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
DBQ1965:

Thanks for the update.  For once, something of substance posted on MLive, although that was easy since it was a legit newspaper column! ::) ;D ;)   It will be interesting to see who GVSU chooses.  There has been some interesting discussion regarding that (i.e. the candidates) over on the WIAC board.

former3db,

I wonder if GVSU is just interviewing to say they looked at other candidates
vs. the current staff coach. It would not surprize me if this decision came early next week. Your thoughts?

Raider68:

I think you are right.  I guess it is somewhat of a "Catch 22" if I may borrow that old phrase.  On one hand, if they pick the current staff coach, some people are going to say it was "nepotism"; while on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me that some people would be upset if they didn't pick him.  I'm sure all the candidates are good, including him and also Liepold from UW-W.  It is a tough decision, for sure, yet, like you, I won't be surprised if they make the announcement sometime this week.

On a similar albeit tangent topic, I think it will also be interesting to see who these various new head coaches at all the levels end up picking for their resepctive staffs.  BTW, has anyone heard if Texas Tech said anything about giving that interim coach the "permanent" title as yet?  He did a great job against Michigan State last night in the Alamo Bowl and seemed to be a really nice, honest and grateful person in the interviews.  While anyone can get lucky in a game in that type of situation that he was placed in, on the other hand, you do have to have some talent and experience to handle such situations and he's been at TT for a few years, knows the system, the staff, administration and kids.  Speaking of that, it sure was terrible what some of those TT fans have been saying and doing in that situation.   Those people are crazy, dangerous and "have no clue".  Guess it takes all kinds to make up this world as that saying goes. :o ;)

Texas Tech should talk to Michigan State about permanently hiring interim bowl coaches...........Bobby Williams was a really nice, honest and grateful person as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 03, 2010, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 03, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 02, 2010, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 02, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
DBQ1965:

Thanks for the update.  For once, something of substance posted on MLive, although that was easy since it was a legit newspaper column! ::) ;D ;)   It will be interesting to see who GVSU chooses.  There has been some interesting discussion regarding that (i.e. the candidates) over on the WIAC board.

former3db,

I wonder if GVSU is just interviewing to say they looked at other candidates
vs. the current staff coach. It would not surprize me if this decision came early next week. Your thoughts?

Raider68:

I think you are right.  I guess it is somewhat of a "Catch 22" if I may borrow that old phrase.  On one hand, if they pick the current staff coach, some people are going to say it was "nepotism"; while on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me that some people would be upset if they didn't pick him.  I'm sure all the candidates are good, including him and also Liepold from UW-W.  It is a tough decision, for sure, yet, like you, I won't be surprised if they make the announcement sometime this week.

On a similar albeit tangent topic, I think it will also be interesting to see who these various new head coaches at all the levels end up picking for their resepctive staffs.  BTW, has anyone heard if Texas Tech said anything about giving that interim coach the "permanent" title as yet?  He did a great job against Michigan State last night in the Alamo Bowl and seemed to be a really nice, honest and grateful person in the interviews.  While anyone can get lucky in a game in that type of situation that he was placed in, on the other hand, you do have to have some talent and experience to handle such situations and he's been at TT for a few years, knows the system, the staff, administration and kids.  Speaking of that, it sure was terrible what some of those TT fans have been saying and doing in that situation.   Those people are crazy, dangerous and "have no clue".  Guess it takes all kinds to make up this world as that saying goes. :o ;)

former 3db,

Great points! On the GVSU opening, I think they go with the staff coach, since this will enable them to utilize all the recruiting perspective/activity already established by Coach Martin.

IMHO, Texas Tech will seek a clean break with an outside coach. Just too many hard feelings left and unfortunately the interim  coach will not benefit, but I could be totally off.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2010, 10:39:55 PM
Yes, but no comparison there, sac - not on this one.  Williams never showed that kind of brilliance which Coach "R" did last night.  As I mentioned, that could certainly be "pure luck" and a "one time wonder/occurance", however, I'd take that anyday and hire the guy.  Also, Williams was essentially "recommended" by the players as you recall, not so much on his interim conduction of games; quite unlike what we witnessed last evening.  Just MO. ;D ;)  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2010, 10:46:13 PM
Raider68:

Despite my just posted comments in reply to sac's, I think that what you say in the end of your last post, could very well happen.  Of course, we're all speculating here with personal opinion on all of these various topics/matters.  However, that being said, I will admit that in this current era, I'm not really sure what to think anymore sometimes when it comes to this "stuff".  People (read admistrations, coaches, etc.) seem to do the opposite of what sometimes either makes sense or what someone would usually do in the same situation i.e. as sometimes usually expected, or just to do something different and/or even the fact that no one can figure out why a specific decision was made despite what those who made it claim, state, defend or otherwise give as their reasoning.  Good grief, does that even make any sense ??? :o ::) :P ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 05, 2010, 11:28:33 PM
Just had on the news -- GVSU's new head coach is Matt Mitchell.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 06, 2010, 10:04:29 AM
From Grand Valley about their new hire.

http://www.gvsulakers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010510aae.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 06, 2010, 05:04:16 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 06, 2010, 10:04:29 AM
From Grand Valley about their new hire.

http://www.gvsulakers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010510aae.html

How much of this decision was influenced by the family relationship vs.
being an internal candidate? I guess we will see over the next few years
how GVSU stays on top!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 07, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
former3db,

My other alma mater Central Michigan wins 44-41 over Troy. Like to see QB LeFevour get a good shot in the NFL. Congats to the Chips!!!!! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 07, 2010, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 07, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
former3db,

My other alma mater Central Michigan wins 44-41 over Troy. Like to see QB LeFevour get a good shot in the NFL. Congats to the Chips!!!!! :)

A group of us caught the last few minutes of regulation and OT at a restaurant last night..........definitely a pro-Chippewa crowd.  Fun.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 09, 2010, 12:31:07 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 07, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
former3db,

My other alma mater Central Michigan wins 44-41 over Troy. Like to see QB LeFevour get a good shot in the NFL. Congats to the Chips!!!!! :)
Quote from: sac on January 07, 2010, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 07, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
former3db,

My other alma mater Central Michigan wins 44-41 over Troy. Like to see QB LeFevour get a good shot in the NFL. Congats to the Chips!!!!! :)

A group of us caught the last few minutes of regulation and OT at a restaurant last night..........definitely a pro-Chippewa crowd.  Fun.

I watched the game also.  It was a great game and also good to see Central finish one off for once.  Troy has a good team and although too bad they have lost two bowl games in a row now, but then...someone has to lose. ;D  Troy, however, has come a long way from when they were a DIII then DII program in recent years.  Anyway, congrats to Central Michigan.  It will be interesting to see who they select as their new head coach.  BTW, in watching the game, the interim HC Stripling didn't seem to be all that emotional of a coach.  On the other hand, perhaps that is just his style of coaching.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 09, 2010, 12:33:49 PM
Regarding the Grand Valley State selection, that really comes as no surprise ;D ::) (although we all essentially had discussed that as being the probable outcome).  Anyway, I would tend to think that there will be no great letdown or slump in their calibur of team play, although I will be surprised if there is i.e. at least a big one if that were to occur.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 09, 2010, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 09, 2010, 12:31:07 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 07, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
former3db,

My other alma mater Central Michigan wins 44-41 over Troy. Like to see QB LeFevour get a good shot in the NFL. Congats to the Chips!!!!! :)
Quote from: sac on January 07, 2010, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 07, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
former3db,

My other alma mater Central Michigan wins 44-41 over Troy. Like to see QB LeFevour get a good shot in the NFL. Congats to the Chips!!!!! :)

A group of us caught the last few minutes of regulation and OT at a restaurant last night..........definitely a pro-Chippewa crowd.  Fun.

I watched the game also.  It was a great game and also good to see Central finish one off for once.  Troy has a good team and although too bad they have lost two bowl games in a row now, but then...someone has to lose. ;D  Troy, however, has come a long way from when they were a DIII then DII program in recent years.  Anyway, congrats to Central Michigan.  It will be interesting to see who they select as their new head coach.  BTW, in watching the game, the interim HC Stripling didn't seem to be all that emotional of a coach.  On the other hand, perhaps that is just his style of coaching.

We should know in the coming weeks where Qb LeFevour stands with the other QB's in the draft. The CMU HC assignment should be wide open IMHO
just like Texas Tech. but we will see! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on January 11, 2010, 09:57:17 PM
Post on Mlive, yes I know that doesn't mean much, says:

Former Adrian Football Coaches Jim Lyall and Jeff Hancock were hired by cross-town rival Siena Heights to develop a football program.

Has anyone else heard this?


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 11, 2010, 10:53:32 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on January 11, 2010, 09:57:17 PM
Post on Mlive, yes I know that doesn't mean much, says:

Former Adrian Football Coaches Jim Lyall and Jeff Hancock were hired by cross-town rival Siena Heights to develop a football program.

Has anyone else heard this?




adidas28:

Yes, you are right about MLive.  So much misinformation and just blantantly wrong info posted on that "rumor mill".  When it first came out, I signed on, however, left and refuse to even read on there.  The majority of posters don't know what they're talking about (have no clue) and I'm not sure if that is just natural for them or if by design due to their being miscreants to cause confusion and rumors among serious people who want to post. 

That being said, I heard from reliable sources shortly after Lyall was fired that he was interested in and a possible candidate for the new football program at Concordia University in Ann Arbor.  Admittedly, I have not heard anymore about that nor have I been aware of any announcements or updates from the school regarding if they have hired a coach already or if the search process is still on-going - of which former U of Mich head coach Lloyd Carr was serving as a consultant to the search committee it was reported.  If there was an update on Concordia's situation, perhaps I missed some of this while being preoccupied during the recent holidays.

Anyway, that is a long way to get to answer your question, at least from my standpoint  ;D - and that is I haven't heard anything from anyone or anywhere that Lyall and Hancock were being considered for Siena Height's exploration for a potential football program.  I was also unaware that they were considering that, although it might make sense in that they fit in with Concordia's region/concept for a football program at the NAIA scholarship level.  Question is - does Siena Heights really have the $ to start and support a football program and would there be a following?  IMO, Concordia has a better chance at that - despite the fact that they'll have to play schools of similar designation in OH and Indiana, although perhaps they'll schedule some of our MIAA and other DIII schools and/or occasional GLIAC DII schools for non-conference games - if they join a conference.

Regardless, it will be interesting to hear about any further updates/clarification about Lyall/Hancock and Siena Heights, although, again, I wouldn't trust MLive for any info on anything whatsoever.  There are more reliable sources of info - but...MLive does make for good irrelevant speculative discussion if one is into that. ;) ;D :-X   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on January 12, 2010, 02:50:58 PM
The word from the Siena Heights campus (my younger sister is a 2 sport athlete there) is that the football program is still in a very preliminary stage.  They are trying to decide if it would be a good monatary decision for the school or not. 

At this stage in the game, I can't imagine that they would have a coach picked out yet.  But you would think Lyall would be on the top of the list of possible candidates. He can already recruit the area, and still has strong support from the community. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 12, 2010, 03:10:40 PM
Found this article on the home page for Siena Heights:

http://www.sienaheights.edu/PreviewNewsMore.aspx?NewsArticleID=4482
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2010, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on January 12, 2010, 03:10:40 PM
Found this article on the home page for Siena Heights:

http://www.sienaheights.edu/PreviewNewsMore.aspx?NewsArticleID=4482
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on January 12, 2010, 02:50:58 PM
The word from the Siena Heights campus (my younger sister is a 2 sport athlete there) is that the football program is still in a very preliminary stage.  They are trying to decide if it would be a good monatary decision for the school or not.  

At this stage in the game, I can't imagine that they would have a coach picked out yet.  But you would think Lyall would be on the top of the list of possible candidates. He can already recruit the area, and still has strong support from the community.  

Thanks for the further info BAW56 and OC_SID.  According to the Siena Heights official school website regarding this, SH's President stated recently that the school is not adding football at this point, but rather the process is exploratory only at present.  It also noted that Lyall and Hancock were hired as consultants only for this process.  

Also, according to Concordia University's website, particularly athletics, the two articles/announcements currently posted, one from July announcing they will definitely be adding scholarship football at the NAIA level and more recent late Sept that applications are being/have been accepted for the head coaching positon which is to be decided on sometime this winter.  From my reliable source today, it is my understanding that Lyall has applied.  That is all I know at this point.  Everyone stay tuned.

BTW, OC_SID - any knowledge you can share with us as to when Olivet's new head football coach will be naming his staff and/or if any of the current assistants from this past recent season of 2009 will be retained?  Please keep us posted.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 12, 2010, 10:19:51 PM
Former3db,

What is your early assessment in the MIAA for 2010? Will Trine be strong again and who will challenge them? Will Adrian, Hope or Kalamazoo have stronger years and what top recruits come to mind? :-\

(Any other input from MIAA posters is welcome. I followed MIAA schools when we lived in Portage and am a CMU alum as well as a Mount alum and player.) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on January 16, 2010, 08:15:00 PM
Football banquet tomorrow.  Heard the rings are GINORMOUS!   :D

I miss college football season already.  Let the recruiting begin!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2010, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 12, 2010, 10:19:51 PM
Former3db,

What is your early assessment in the MIAA for 2010? Will Trine be strong again and who will challenge them? Will Adrian, Hope or Kalamazoo have stronger years and what top recruits come to mind? :-\

(Any other input from MIAA posters is welcome. I followed MIAA schools when we lived in Portage and am a CMU alum as well as a Mount alum and player.) :)

That's a good question.  Without really having glossed over and/or specifically "who has who" returning as yet, I'm just going with my "gut feeling".  For sure Trine has to be the front runner; I suspect Hope will be right up there and improved from last year.  Adrian could be strong, but with a "new man" at the helm, it could be a building/transitional type of year - even though Deere has been there for several years.  Sometimes, even "keeping things in-house" in a coaching change does not always equate with instant, continued and/or "improved success". ;)  I suspect Olivet will have a good chance at improving with someone new at the helm now, but will still take sometime and they'll probably be in the lower tier of the league (we might just be surprised, however).  Alma is the "sleeper" as they will have a new QB in charge and while they are always strong and "in the hunt" the past 8-10 years, not sure with a new QB that they can do it all.  Kazoo I see slow but steady progress - Zorbo is a good coach and should get much out of what they have.  IMO, I didn't think they were as bad as everyone thought last year, after seeing them play against us.  Albion I expect to be improved, but I will be surprised if they really give a challenge to Trine, Adrian - but I could be very wrong.  In that regard, whether Albion is a good or weaker team, it is always a "crap shoot" when they play Hope. 

Perhaps we'll all have some additional, updated thoughts on this once we see the early recruiting lists/commitments (as those go in DIII) by end of March/mid-April before the schools get out.

BTW, thanks for the kind comments over on the NCAC board.  You had a good post also. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2010, 11:26:58 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on January 16, 2010, 08:15:00 PM
Football banquet tomorrow.  Heard the rings are GINORMOUS!   :D

I miss college football season already.  Let the recruiting begin!!



Good grief!  The football banquet this late and after the first of the year?  Alma did that a couple of years a few years back.  While in one sense, it "makes sense" in that it is less hectic than right after the end of the season, nearing final exams and before the holiday breaks and in this year's case, the playoffs for Trine; on the other IMO, I've always felt it takes some of the enthusiasm off, despite it being more for the seniors.  Yet, since Trine had such a great year and extended into the playoffs for themselves and our MIAA this year, perhaps it won't be i.e. it will probably be a very enthusiastic gathering.  Regardless, enjoy the day tomorrow and don't let those rings blind you (and don't drop them)! :D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2010, 08:19:37 PM
Trine scheduled the banquet late (last year and this) so that the MIAA Championship rings could be ordered and passed out at the banquet.   They got them out last year, but the rings were late this year.  The coaches had theirs, and they are pretty cool.  It will still be another week or two for the players.

I am excited about next years team.  They have lost some key seniors, but are returning their skill players, almost all their starters, and they will be deeper than last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 21, 2010, 09:08:42 PM
So our buddies in Spartan land may be changing their logo.........
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.mlive.com%2Fganggreen%2Fphoto%2Fsplit-old-new-spartans-logojpg-1a7f7547c5b08dd0_large.jpg&hash=2cb4bb88a18438a6b77ec6ef74fe3eca98d3a1e5)
from this ...........................to this



this was my personal favorite
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg532.yfrog.com%2Fimg532%2F2196%2Fspartyhelmet1copy.jpg&hash=0e1f8563f70d3f8da97729ea411d1da9b2e1969d)

.......ski mask optional.   ;)  I kid, I kid.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 21, 2010, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: sac on January 21, 2010, 09:08:42 PM
So our buddies in Spartan land may be changing their logo.........
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.mlive.com%2Fganggreen%2Fphoto%2Fsplit-old-new-spartans-logojpg-1a7f7547c5b08dd0_large.jpg&hash=2cb4bb88a18438a6b77ec6ef74fe3eca98d3a1e5)
from this ...........................to this



this was my personal favorite
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg532.yfrog.com%2Fimg532%2F2196%2Fspartyhelmet1copy.jpg&hash=0e1f8563f70d3f8da97729ea411d1da9b2e1969d)

.......ski mask optional.   ;)  I kid, I kid.


If MSU is going to change the logo on the helmet, why not do something more different. This change looks like a newer Thunderbird vs. an old '57. :-\

How about a white helmet with the logo like Marshall!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 21, 2010, 10:09:21 PM
They wore this one in 1954
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.helmethut.com%2FCollege%2FMichState%2FMSU54a.jpg&hash=16205605ca2c0331e9efe75e329174f21e0b1b16)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 21, 2010, 11:00:31 PM
Kind of reminds me of the movie "Leatherheads". Always liked the green and white colors, do not like the name on the front of the Jersey. Everyone
know its the Spartans, so why print it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 29, 2010, 08:56:26 PM
Fellow D3 football friends.

I am relocating to address a Medical issue in the family.

I will check in to keep up on the MIAA
I just will not have good first hand info, that I at times could share.

Thank You the conversations folks.
Congrats to Triine, keep up the good work guys glad to see the MIAA get a playoff win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 29, 2010, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: D306 on January 29, 2010, 08:56:26 PM
Fellow D3 football friends.

I am relocating to address a Medical issue in the family.

I will check in to keep up on the MIAA
I just will not have good first hand info, that I at times could share.

Thank You the conversations folks.
Congrats to Triine, keep up the good work guys glad to see the MIAA get a playoff win.

Best of luck to you and the patient.

Is this the standard 'helping elderly parent' or something else?  If you prefer to keep it private, I fully understand.

In any event, God bless.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 29, 2010, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: D306 on January 29, 2010, 08:56:26 PM
Fellow D3 football friends.

I am relocating to address a Medical issue in the family.

I will check in to keep up on the MIAA
I just will not have good first hand info, that I at times could share.

Thank You the conversations folks.
Congrats to Triine, keep up the good work guys glad to see the MIAA get a playoff win.

D306,

All the best to you and your family! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 30, 2010, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: sac on January 21, 2010, 09:08:42 PM
So our buddies in Spartan land may be changing their logo.........
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.mlive.com%2Fganggreen%2Fphoto%2Fsplit-old-new-spartans-logojpg-1a7f7547c5b08dd0_large.jpg&hash=2cb4bb88a18438a6b77ec6ef74fe3eca98d3a1e5)
from this ...........................to this



this was my personal favorite
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg532.yfrog.com%2Fimg532%2F2196%2Fspartyhelmet1copy.jpg&hash=0e1f8563f70d3f8da97729ea411d1da9b2e1969d)

.......ski mask optional.   ;)  I kid, I kid.


What for?  Sometimes, somethings just don't need to change.  Unfortunately, in this "day and age", someone always has to think that needs to be done - just for the sake of doing it and/or "keeping up with the Jones'.  IMO, not necessary; the old one looks better.  However, of course they can do what they want.  Just MO. ;D

P.S.  Disclaimer:  Admittedly, I am not an MSU fan, however, I do like their current logo. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 30, 2010, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: D306 on January 29, 2010, 08:56:26 PM
Fellow D3 football friends.

I am relocating to address a Medical issue in the family.

I will check in to keep up on the MIAA
I just will not have good first hand info, that I at times could share.

Thank You the conversations folks.
Congrats to Triine, keep up the good work guys glad to see the MIAA get a playoff win.

D306:

I join our colleagues in wishing you all the best in this situation you are facing.  Sorry to hear about that.  I will keep you and family in thought and prayer for this and wish you all God's blessings.  Doing what we all have to do sometimes is never easy.  Yet, indeed, please continue to post with us here as you can periodically - we've enjoyed your sharing and contributions to our MIAA board.  Please keep us updated on your family situation.  People do care.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 30, 2010, 05:57:23 PM
Former 3db,

Well said!!! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 30, 2010, 05:58:37 PM
Congrats Former3db,

3500 posts, WOW!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 30, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Thanks for both comments Raider 68.  You are most kind.  I must admit, however, I didn't even notice the number of posts I had.  Anyway, your count is steadily rising too!  We appreciate your contributions and participating here on our board, even though you are an OAC board mainstay as well.  Talk to you again in the near future.  I'm going to watch the Senior Bowl which is on now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 01, 2010, 06:55:07 AM
Thank You for the kind words and best wish's.

Great group of people on the site, typically intelligent posts and interest in our fellow posters.

The medical issue, is unfortunately a "lifetime" issue for my family.
I have been blessed, I am in a place in life were I can make a change, and relocate to help.
Breaks your heart to see these kids strugggle, we as a family have made the decision we will make a difference in their lives.

Well change of subject, Wednesday we find out who is going were, at the D1 schools, which leads to a lot of DIII selections are made as well.

Enjoy ythe Superbowl, should be a exciting game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 01, 2010, 01:14:07 PM
D306,

All the best again to you and your family! Hope you find the West a great place to be. Keep tabs on D3 and the MIAA. :)

In the meantime, GO COLTS, Go Pierre, bring home the Super Bowl Trophy! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on February 01, 2010, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: D306 on January 29, 2010, 08:56:26 PM
Fellow D3 football friends.

I am relocating to address a Medical issue in the family.

I will check in to keep up on the MIAA
I just will not have good first hand info, that I at times could share.

Thank You the conversations folks.
Congrats to Triine, keep up the good work guys glad to see the MIAA get a playoff win.

I pray that all goes well with you and your family. Keep checking in!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 04, 2010, 02:19:03 PM
Anyone heard what schools top state of Michigan recruits are considering other than the big schools? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 10, 2010, 02:05:23 PM
Former 3db,

This board is so quiet, has to be something to talk about in Michigan other than the Spartans (they just might lose the Big Ten).

Back to football! :) The question for next season is who in D3 makes it to the NFL and joins Pierre Garcon, London Fletcher and a few others?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 12, 2010, 10:24:58 AM
Raider68:
Yes, it has been quiet here on our board.  Seems that is the "norm" each year - I guess that's "just the way it is".  

Anyway, admittedly, I have not really followed, from the general info available and/or what I've read or seen on other boards or in the papers, who might have an opportunity to try out for an NFL team.  I'm sure there will be some free agent opportunities for those who wish to pursue that when the time nears later this spring.

As far as other news, I saw this AM on the Comcast page in Sports News that the NCAA rules committee has made recommendations for several rules changes, which most likely will be approved.  Most of them I agree with, however, as usual, there is at least one each year that I just have to scratch my head and wonder what the heck that committee is thinking.  It is even more baffling since coaches sit on that committee also, it is my understanding (for example, former Oregon Head Coach Mike Belotti is the current Chairman).  Among the proposed rule changes are:


1) Penalties for taunting during the course of scoring a TD - of which I personally approve this one

2) More restrictive rules regarding concussion syndromes - the proposal is that players who suffer concussions will have to have a physician's clearance before being allowed to return to play.  Duh... ??? ::)  I thought the college programs at all levels had that requirement - at least the college's own rules for such..  I know the ones I've been associated with and also know in our conference have had this requirement.  IMO, any school that does not, is taking a huge liablility chance - and...frankly is very stupid and foolish.  Common sense and deceny do not dictate otherwise.  I applaud this rule.

3) Elimination of the rule that states a player's pants have to cover the knee.  I think this is a ridiculous rule change i.e. very dangerous in eliminating it.  Obviously, we've seen the trend in the last 3-4 years that players like to have their pants above the knee - their excuse is that WR's, RB's and DB's like it because it "makes them faster - i.e. doesn't hinder their running.  The real reason is they think "it looks cool".  I personally believe this is dangersous because it exposes the knee to potentially more injury - that is an obvious and non-disputed aspect if we are all honest about this.  Moreover, I fail to understand why the committee would make an exception for this rule, however, while retaining the one which requires players to wear tailbone and hip pads.  A little confusing and, frankly, smacks of inconsistency and a little hypocrisy.  Some of you might disagree with me on this, however, it is just MO.  I certainly have seen injuries result from this.  In additon, the officials have not always enforced this rule during games, which they should have done.  They do the others, so in essence, there is no excuse for not having done this...when the rule was in place.  Oh well.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 12, 2010, 01:53:21 PM
Former 3db,

I agree with your thoughts on the rule changes and like you I have a problem with Rule #3. The knees and their exposure to injury is a cause for many players to have shorten careers and for those who go on to play at the next level it impacts their ability to walk. Any protection on or around the knee is more important to player and his health than a little more speed.

With the size of the players today knee pads of any kind are so critical just like protection for the hips and tail bones. I remember when Jim Brown played (greatest running back of all time, IMHO) did not wear hips pads, but he was an exception. What makes no sense is that many QB's wear rib pads, so the NCAA need to re-think this rule. Consistency of policy is needed! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 12, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Agree, Raider68!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 14, 2010, 04:20:09 PM
Former 3db,

Other than Trine, what schools bring the strongest line-ups back for 2010?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on February 16, 2010, 09:15:46 AM
Former,

As a player who liked to try to play with my knee pads above my knee, I think it really does free up the movement of your knees.  I would trim down my knee pads and also take the hard plastic piece out of my thigh pads and only use that.   If a WR, DB, or RB has a huge bulky knee pad covering up their knee it is going to restrict their movement.  A knee pad can't prevent knee ligaments from tearing, so basically its only purpose is to prevent bruises on the knee.  No pad, regardless of placement, is going to help save you from tearing something inside your knee.  If the player doesn't care about a bruise on their knee then I say let them play with their knee pad where they want to. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on February 16, 2010, 10:46:57 AM
FormerD3db,

Another in the agreement column regarding rule 3, and a laudable tack for any level of prevention versus potential future business.  ;)

While respectful of the "caveat emptor" philosophy, many of my rugby cohorts now sport scars marking youthful (and some not so young  ::)) exuberance. Future consequences (and treatment or lack there of...) are cartilage degeneration, osteoarthritis, and other related complications - wife goes under the knife (reconstruction just short of full replacement) in two weeks, and a scope experience is on the horizon for me as well.  An ounce of prevention...  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 16, 2010, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on February 16, 2010, 10:46:57 AM
FormerD3db,

Another in the agreement column regarding rule 3, and a laudable tack for any level of prevention versus potential future business.  ;)

While respectful of the "caveat emptor" philosophy, many of my rugby cohorts now sport scars marking youthful (and some not so young  ::)) exuberance. Future consequences (and treatment or lack there of...) are cartilage degeneration, osteoarthritis, and other related complications - wife goes under the knife (reconstruction just short of full replacement) in two weeks, and a scope experience is on the horizon for me as well.  An ounce of prevention...  8-)

I was very fortunate not to have had any knee injuries when I played and my knees are fine. :) Knee pads were required then and not optional.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 16, 2010, 05:23:42 PM
Good friends:

Diezel:
You have a point about knee pads not preventing ligament injuries.  I also respect your opinion.  However, for years, many of us ran very fast (for those of us who were fast ;D) with knee pads when those were required by the NCAA, as Raider68 points out.  However, knee pads do help in other ways - just ask other players who have missed games because of severe contusions (bruises), abraisons from direct hits on knees without knee pads.  And if you want to use that type of reasoning, then the NCAA should ban the use of tailbone pads and hip pads.  Then those guys who end up getting a severe "hip" contusions on their greater trochanters can enjoy sitting on the bench watching for 2-3 games while they hope those heal enough to allow them to return to play. ;D  Again, I'm not knocking your opinon, I'm just stating my own.  Equipment was made for a reason and in a contact sport such as football, my preference is still to use as much as possible - of course, I guess you can say I'm somewhat biased in regards to "my day job" ;)  That being said, I don't think wearing knee pads ever slowed down any WR enough to severely comprimise their performance -  ask Garcon!

Cave2bens:

I concur.  BTW, my best to your wife in her upcoming surgery.  We'll keep her in prayer for that (and you too when you eventually undergo yours scope).  BTW, I hope you both are enjoying your trip/vacation now.  Keep us posted - thanks for your periodic posts!

Raider68:
Agree.
BTW, Imy apologies for not replying back sooner reqarding your question on returnees for the other schools.  I haven't had the opportunity to peruse the rostes of the various schools just yet.  However, "off the top of my hear", and "gut feeling" is that all the other teams will be improved.  Alma has to replace their longstanding starting QB McGrady who is graduated, although I expect them to be challenging for the title.  Adrian should be good, and with Deere having been theri, the transition might not be too bad but we'll hae to see.  Kazzo shold be imporved, but I stil think they'll be in the bottom tier, Olivet with a new coaching staff (majjority) remains to be seen, but I doubt will rise to the top right away after going 0-10.  That leaves Hope and Albion and I will be very surprised if both of these teams reamin mediocre as they have been the past two years, it being very uncharacteristic of those programs and I expect to see them back in the hunt for the title.  AGain, I will be very surprised if they are not. 

The above, of course, is just off the top of my head, but I perhaps might have a better commentary after I've had a chance to look at the rosters of returnees at some time in the future.

Thanks to all of you for keeping some discussion going here on our board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 16, 2010, 10:34:22 PM
Former 3db,

Thanks for your great post!

1. For 2010, it looks like a battle between Trine and Adrian for the top spot in
    in the MIAA with Trine having the edge at this point. They play at UWRF a
    WIAC team this year who is not that strong, let's see how they do up there.

2. The knee pads will not, I agree with Diezel prevent torn ligaments, but
    those scraps, cleat marks and bruises pile up. Also, while most schools
    now have new style turf, it still burns a bit, not not as much as the old
    astro-turf.The problem is the NCAA being consistent and looking out for the
    player's health vs. a little more speed.

3. At this point I am not sure who the next potential NFL player will be coming
    from D3, but my best guess would be Cecil Shorts WR, Mount Union who
    will come back this year after a great All-American in '09. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 16, 2010, 10:51:50 PM
Raider68:
Thanks and I return the same compliments to you!  You posts are very insightful.  I think that Shorts might have a chance also, if he continues to rise as he has.  Obviously, time will tell.

BTW, any chance you are thinking about attending that first ever Ohio College All-Star football game scheduled for April 17th?  I would really like to go to that, but have to decide as we (Hope) have a lacrosse game that same day and I might have to be there for it.  On the other hand, the lacrosse game is a night game, so I could possibly drive back from Ohio in time, although that would be insane in some respects!  Of course, I've been accused of being just that before so it probably wouldn't matter! ;D :o ::) :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on February 17, 2010, 08:48:31 AM
Former,

That is exactly why I had to trim my pads up and have them above my knees, wasn't blessed with a whole lot of speed. :)  I understand the severe bruises and contusions but shouldn't you have to wear elbow pads then? I do agree that pads do help prevent injury and there is a reason you wear them but I think even having a knee pad just above your knee can help with injury prevention.  And I also think the chances of taking a direct hit to the knee are smaller than taking a hit to either the thigh, hip, or unfortunately getting knocked on your butt (which occurs to some a lot more than they would like  :))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
(Vin)Diezel: ;D

I know what you mean. ;)  As for myself, I did wear elbow pads when I played.  They were those J-Pads (from Johnson & Johnson), which were really quite good pads for that era, i.e. the early prototypes of today's nice, form fitting elbow pads.  But oops!  I'm showing my age with that admission! ;D  Anyway, thanks for contributing to our board and you are welcome here anytime.  Don't be a stranger! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 17, 2010, 09:06:33 PM
Haven't posted in quite sometime, but read everyday...

tell me my friends from Adrian...i talked to another MIAA source who is very trustworthy.  He tells me that all of Adrian's defensive line has transferred, one of their coaches has been fired already and recruits are down.  He also told me that an alum, who was to play Adrian this year, dropped them cold turkey like two weeks ago for this year?!?!? 

Sounds like a rough start to the new era...

thoughts...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2010, 10:49:10 PM
HOF:

I am not doubting your friend/source as you say that person is trustworthy.  Nor would I be surprised at this, if all of that is true.  I do know from several close friends of mine who are Adrian alums, that a large number of alums are not happy at all with the way the coaching change was handled, even if it was time for a change.  As such, I think you will see that Adrian's donations for sports (especially football) will be down, and it might hurt their momentum of having raised their enrollement via adding those other sports (hockey, lacrosse) at least for a while.  Also, I wouldn't be surprised about another of their assistants having left (even if fired) as you relate has happened.    

As I mentioned, I have not personally heard about any of these new developments you relate, however, I can certainly find out from one of my close sources that would know.  Perhaps Adrian might not be as strong as some of us anticipate for next year, but then again, I could be very wrong.  Sometimes in our MIAA, we just never know and "it plays out as the season progresses" with surprises as we can all attest to.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2010, 11:05:47 PM
HOF Follow-up:

I am not intending the following comments to be negative towards Adrian.  However, I just checked their website and saw the recent announcements of the new hirings of assistant football coaches.  While it is good to see Head Coach Deering has hired some young coaches who played at DI and DII levels, which can help their program I'm sure, I also would be concerned as to just how long these guys will actually stay at Adrian.  If they are interested in using this as a "stepping stone" to go on to other positions at those other levels eventually (and there is nothing wrong with that if it is their own personal dream, although my own persona opinion is that I would want guys who are committed to "DIII" for the longterm) changing of coaching staffs i.e. not having a stable one for a substantial period of time certainly can't be the ideal situation for any school.  While I have my own personal concerns/reservations about that, I certainly wish Adrian well and their coaching staff also.  As I said previously though, obviously time will tell "what goes" and it should be interesting to see what happens.  Again, not intending this to be "smack" towards Adrian - it's just that it is MO. :) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 18, 2010, 08:08:21 AM
From Former 3db,

BTW, any chance you are thinking about attending that first ever Ohio College All-Star football game scheduled for April 17th?  I would really like to go to that, but have to decide as we (Hope) have a lacrosse game that same day and I might have to be there for it.  On the other hand, the lacrosse game is a night game, so I could possibly drive back from Ohio in time, although that would be insane in some respects!  Of course, I've been accused of being just that before so it probably wouldn't matter! 

Not sure what I have going that weekend. Love to get back to Columbus, we lived there 8 years and liked  it alot. :) Hope this first Ohio All-star game is a good one given the broad base of players and time of the year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on February 18, 2010, 04:30:51 PM
formerD3:

Well put and well taken.  I did confirm today from an "Adrian Alum" that all three of those things have went down.  ADAWG might be able to provide more info as well?  I'm sure this is just some of the stuff going on.

I heard the first full time hire was let go - I'll simply put from what I'm told, "it wasn't good".

A school dropped them for next year.  That school's coach is a former Adrian alum and former staff member with Lyall.  From what I'm told, he didn't like how they handled it and got support from his bosses to go ahead.  So it sounds like Adrian is scrambling for a 10th game.

Two full-time defensive line guys did leave the team.  One transferred to Northwood, the other is not in school.  From what I'm told these guys were pretty good.  Take that they lost the MIAA defensive MVP, that might hurt a tad.

Like you mentioned, I as well wish Adrian luck in the future, but it sounds like the football family around the country supports giving a man a good exit, rather than pushing him out classless. 

What goes around comes around????
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 18, 2010, 09:24:48 PM
Thanks HOF and may I say "well said" to your own comments.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 18, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Raider68:

I know what you mean.  Keep me posted - let me know if something works out that you might be able to go to the game.  I will do the same and if, by chance it works out for me, then perhaps we can hook up there.  I hope the inaguaral game is a success.  It is a neat idea and would be great to see our state have a similar one, although, obviously, $ is a big factor with regards to sponsorship.  Not sure if that would be possible here in our state right now.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 20, 2010, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 18, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Raider68:

I know what you mean.  Keep me posted - let me know if something works out that you might be able to go to the game.  I will do the same and if, by chance it works out for me, then perhaps we can hook up there.  I hope the inaguaral game is a success.  It is a neat idea and would be great to see our state have a similar one, although, obviously, $ is a big factor with regards to sponsorship.  Not sure if that would be possible here in our state right now.



Former 3db,

How is recruiting going for the MIAA, any ideas on what school can improve the most for the fall?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 20, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
Raider68:

I haven't heard anything as yet.  In all honesty, I really haven't had a chance to chat with any of our coaches or some from the other schools that I know.  I'm hoping to do so in the near future.  I will share what I know with you and our colleagues when I do find some info out.

Obviously, at least at Hope, I know that aside from having recruits come to the football games in the fall, historically, we've had athletic recruiting days a few times in the winter where prospective student-athletes for all the sports come to the college for a weekend with their parents.  They meet with academic advisors and department chairs, tour the campus, attend some of the campus special events on the weekend including, of course, a basketball and/or volleyball game.  I remember "way back when" during my playing days when we football players on the team would be sitting in the Phelps Cafeteria at Hope eating and watching all the high school football players come in with their letterjackets and medals on - everyone scoping everyone out both ways i.e. them us and us them" ;D (trying to figure out if one of those guys was going to be a challenge at one's own position! ;)).  Then again, I also very clearly remember one of my own recruit visits to Hope when I was one of those same "high school i.e. prep guys" thinking I was so "cool" all decked out in my own lettersweater, medals and letterjacket, long hair and all!!!! ;D ::) :P  Of course, we were also scoping out the college chicks!  Now, I'm really dating myself. ;)

Anyway, it is all part of the fun and system and a great tradition at all the schools that do this or similar.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 22, 2010, 09:00:36 AM
Former 3db,

What are the typical  number of freshman football recruits and what school lead the way in the MIAA? Will a coaching change at Olivet help the recruiting process in terms of number of recruits?  :-\  Will Trine be the leader again? :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 22, 2010, 09:25:22 AM
Raider68:

Many years ago when I played, typically Hope, for example, had about 40 freshman come per year in our recruiting classes.  Of course, that has now increased for most of the schools in the MIAA with the exception of Kazoo and occasionally Olivet.  Up until last year, Olivet had larger numbers come in (I think one year about 60 in the early mid-2000's), but the last couple of years that was down.  With the new coaching staff this year and a decent core of returnees, I believe they will have some increase in numbers coming in, a larger squad and I do think they'll be improved, win some games and be a challenger or at least a spoiler again.  It will take a couple of years for them to get back to the strides they were making under Sigler and Livedoti, until last year.

Hope the last couple of years has had anywhere from 140-160 report in August (that includes returnees which are probably about 80-90) so that gives you an idea.  Same for Albion and Adrian, one year Adrian had about 177 total on the team.  Not sure how that will be for Adrian this year due to the coaching change and how it went down and some of the rumored concerns that are going on there currently as has been discussed already.  Alma is typically pretty steady in recruiting - years ago, they typically had about 66 on the team, which meant less in #'s for incoming freshman, however, in more recent years they've topped the 100 mark I believe (I'd have to check their roster - didn't do that before posting this, although some of the schools don't have their off-season updated roster of returnees posted on their websites always).  Kazoo doesn't get the numbers (they had somehwere in the high 40's back in Brooks last year a couple of years ago.  However, Zorbo is a good coach, loves his alma mater and I think you'll see those numbers go up in the next couple of years or so.  I could be wrong, but I think that may happen.

I'm talking in general here, but that gives you a basic idea.  As you know at this level, the cost of these schools is much for families and can be difficult unless these guys qualify for community, academic, and/or need based aid/scholarships to knock down the cost for their parents.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 22, 2010, 10:27:30 AM
Former 3db,

Great post!, do you know how many of the MIAA schools have a no cut policy?

From you post , I assume that if the MIAA schools have 150+ players in camp, that does provide for the competition they seek, with 50-75 incoming freshman. The costs as you point out are so high for so many of the D3 programs, that without some aid many top athletes and their parents cannot afford to send them. From a coaching perspective the state schools have a huge advantage, but those scholarships programs are limited to the best of the best. I am really surprized that the incoming freshman numbers are so high. At Mount, I still am amazed the numbers of freshman remain as high, given the costs and the wait your turn reality that exists there. Coach Kehres has a no cut policy, yet the participation remains one of the highest in the country. Winning alot and being in a position to win it all helps a little ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 22, 2010, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 22, 2010, 10:27:30 AM
Former 3db,

Great post!, do you know how many of the MIAA schools have a no cut policy?

From you post , I assume that if the MIAA schools have 150+ players in camp, that does provide for the competition they seek, with 50-75 incoming freshman. The costs as you point out are so high for so many of the D3 programs, that without some aid many top athletes and their parents cannot afford to send them. From a coaching perspective the state schools have a huge advantage, but those scholarships programs are limited to the best of the best. I am really surprized that the incoming freshman numbers are so high. At Mount, I still am amazed the numbers of freshman remain as high, given the costs and the wait your turn reality that exists there. Coach Kehres has a no cut policy, yet the participation remains one of the highest in the country. Winning alot and being in a position to win it all helps a little ;)


When I was at Hope my freshman year, they made cuts for the first time in the history of Hope's program. We had 110 report (again, we had 40 freshman in my class) and Coach cut down to 90, which they thought at that time was most manageable.  Today, as far as I know, none of the MIAA schools have a "cut policy" and I agree with that.  In part, some of that is a result of the schools having the return of J.V. programs in recent years, which obviously provides the incoming freshmen a chance to get used to the system, get some playing time and even on occasion have a chance to earn a traveling squad spot.  

I do admire your Mount's program in that they have among the highest, if not the highest turnout each year of players around the 200 mark.  However, aside from the obvious fact that people want to go to the program that has consistantly won the "top prize, play for one of DIII's greatest coaches and go to a good school as Mount is, one aspect that is difficult for me to understand is still why many of them would choose to do that when they could most likely have a chance at playing right away at another school.  Aside from the fact that all the players Mount recruits are exceptionally good, obviously not all of them can play right away, and I'm not sure I would want to wait for 2-3 years to get a shot at playing regularly for one.  On the other hand, I'm sure many of those players think they are good enough to crack the lineup earlier, but in all honesty, that is not going to happen for all of them.  Yet, I guess one could say the same for Hope and all these other programs that have 130+ report each year   Anyway, it comes down to people having to make theri own decisions and some are fine with taking that chance and just being a part of a top championship team if it doesn't work out for them like they desired regarding their careers and p.t.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 22, 2010, 05:50:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 22, 2010, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 22, 2010, 10:27:30 AM
Former 3db,

Great post!, do you know how many of the MIAA schools have a no cut policy?

From you post , I assume that if the MIAA schools have 150+ players in camp, that does provide for the competition they seek, with 50-75 incoming freshman. The costs as you point out are so high for so many of the D3 programs, that without some aid many top athletes and their parents cannot afford to send them. From a coaching perspective the state schools have a huge advantage, but those scholarships programs are limited to the best of the best. I am really surprized that the incoming freshman numbers are so high. At Mount, I still am amazed the numbers of freshman remain as high, given the costs and the wait your turn reality that exists there. Coach Kehres has a no cut policy, yet the participation remains one of the highest in the country. Winning alot and being in a position to win it all helps a little ;)


When I was at Hope my freshman year, they made cuts for the first time in the history of Hope's program. We had 110 report (again, we had 40 freshman in my class) and Coach cut down to 90, which they thought at that time was most manageable.  Today, as far as I know, none of the MIAA schools have a "cut policy" and I agree with that.  In part, some of that is a result of the schools having the return of J.V. programs in recent years, which obviously provides the incoming freshmen a chance to get used to the system, get some playing time and even on occasion have a chance to earn a traveling squad spot. 

I do admire your Mount's program in that they have among the highest, if not the highest turnout each year of players around the 200 mark.  However, aside from the obvious fact that people want to go to the program that has consistantly won the "top prize, play for one of DIII's greatest coaches and go to a good school as Mount is, one aspect that is difficult for me to understand is still why many of them would choose to do that when they could most likely have a chance at playing right away at another school.  Aside from the fact that all the players Mount recruits are exceptionally good, obviously not all of them can play right away, and I'm not sure I would want to wait for 2-3 years to get a shot at playing regularly for one.  On the other hand, I'm sure many of those players think they are good enough to crack the lineup earlier, but in all honesty, that is not going to happen for all of them.  Yet, I guess one could say the same for Hope and all these other programs that have 130+ report each year   Anyway, it comes down to people having to make theri own decisions and some are fine with taking that chance and just being a part of a top championship team if it doesn't work out for them like they desired regarding their careers and p.t.

If I were going to chose today I am not sure I would be willing to wait. I turned down a D1 ride (Toledo) back then and was unsure if I was going to play football. Mount at that time was a 500 level win team or a tad better, but nowhere near a conference winner then.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 22, 2010, 11:22:47 PM
Raider68:
I'm with you on that. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on February 23, 2010, 08:15:43 AM
My son was recruited by Mt. Union.  He and a teammate from high school went for a visit and liked what they saw/heard, but in the end it came down to two things.  First, they didn't have the academic program my son wanted (engineering) and second, my son decided that he wanted to be a part of building a football program vs. trying to maintain a football program.  He also wanted to play vs. wait years to earn a starting position on varsity.  He was very flattered that Mt. Union recruited him but it just wasn't the program/school for him.  In the end, his teammate attended Mt. Union and was 2nd string JV.  He was incredibly disappointed because he thought he would get there and earn a starting varsity position right off which we knew would probably not happen.  His teammate left Mt. Union after only one year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 23, 2010, 08:54:02 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on February 23, 2010, 08:15:43 AM
My son was recruited by Mt. Union.  He and a teammate from high school went for a visit and liked what they saw/heard, but in the end it came down to two things.  First, they didn't have the academic program my son wanted (engineering) and second, my son decided that he wanted to be a part of building a football program vs. trying to maintain a football program.  He also wanted to play vs. wait years to earn a starting position on varsity.  He was very flattered that Mt. Union recruited him but it just wasn't the program/school for him.  In the end, his teammate attended Mt. Union and was 2nd string JV.  He was incredibly disappointed because he thought he would get there and earn a starting varsity position right off which we knew would probably not happen.  His teammate left Mt. Union after only one year.

I can see that happening with players unwilling to wait their turn. As of this fall  though Mount will offer engineering. I would not say that  Mount is in a maiintaining mode.  Every year is a new one and each team has its strengths and areas to improve. Many top athletes want to play as soon as they can and are more conerned with that than just being part of a top program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 01, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
While there is still alot of snow in Michigan, are all the MIAA teams having spring drills in 2010? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 01, 2010, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 01, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
While there is still alot of snow in Michigan, are all the MIAA teams having spring drills in 2010? :-\

To my knowledge, they will.  The NCAA designates a specific time period for which the spring drills need to be held/completed (I don't have the manual right in front of me/available right now so I am remiss at stating the specific regulations - perhaps Pat and/or other of our colleagues here can relate the exact rule), and, of course, the limited number of practice sessions that can be held.  Most of the snow, at least historically, will be gone or nearly so by the time practices come around in late March/early April.  However, certainly the schools that have synthetic turf in the league (Alma, Trine, Adrian and Olivet) will have no problem in holding the sessions if they have them outside as usual.  I will say, thought, that since the official allowance for DIII schools holding spring football sessions, having those outdoors hasn't been a detriment to Hope even though they have natural turf practice fields and no synthetic turf at the football stadium.  Yet that situation is now made even better as Hope could potentially use, if necessary, the new Soccer/Lacrosse stadium which has the new synthetic turf provided it didn't interfere with any dates for the lacrosse games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 01, 2010, 02:23:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 01, 2010, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 01, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
While there is still alot of snow in Michigan, are all the MIAA teams having spring drills in 2010? :-\

To my knowledge, they will.  The NCAA designates a specific time period for which the spring drills need to be held/completed (I don't have the manual right in front of me/available right now so I am remiss at stating the specific regulations - perhaps Pat and/or other of our colleagues here can relate the exact rule), and, of course, the limited number of practice sessions that can be held.  Most of the snow, at least historically, will be gone or nearly so by the time practices come around in late March/early April.  However, certainly the schools that have synthetic turf in the league (Alma, Trine, Adrian and Olivet) will have no problem in holding the sessions if they have them outside as usual.  I will say, thought, that since the official allowance for DIII schools holding spring football sessions, having those outdoors hasn't been a detriment to Hope even though they have natural turf practice fields and no synthetic turf at the football stadium.  Yet that situation is now made even better as Hope could potentially use, if necessary, the new Soccer/Lacrosse stadium which has the new synthetic turf provided it didn't interfere with any dates for the lacrosse games.

Former 3db,

I think Mount had issues with the weather last year and we are way down south in Ohio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on March 01, 2010, 03:06:39 PM
Seems like every year it's different, which is true for the Midwest.  Year one - cold and rainy.  Year two - almost warm enough for shorts.  Year three - cold but sunny.  Who knows what this year will bring.  I'd rather have snow than rain, but a bright, sunny day would be my personal preference.   ;D

I think Trine starts spring football in early April.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 01, 2010, 05:57:54 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 01, 2010, 02:23:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 01, 2010, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 01, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
While there is still alot of snow in Michigan, are all the MIAA teams having spring drills in 2010? :-\

To my knowledge, they will.  The NCAA designates a specific time period for which the spring drills need to be held/completed (I don't have the manual right in front of me/available right now so I am remiss at stating the specific regulations - perhaps Pat and/or other of our colleagues here can relate the exact rule), and, of course, the limited number of practice sessions that can be held.  Most of the snow, at least historically, will be gone or nearly so by the time practices come around in late March/early April.  However, certainly the schools that have synthetic turf in the league (Alma, Trine, Adrian and Olivet) will have no problem in holding the sessions if they have them outside as usual.  I will say, thought, that since the official allowance for DIII schools holding spring football sessions, having those outdoors hasn't been a detriment to Hope even though they have natural turf practice fields and no synthetic turf at the football stadium.  Yet that situation is now made even better as Hope could potentially use, if necessary, the new Soccer/Lacrosse stadium which has the new synthetic turf provided it didn't interfere with any dates for the lacrosse games.

Former 3db,

I think Mount had issues with the weather last year and we are way down south in Ohio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Quote from: LetItRain on March 01, 2010, 03:06:39 PM
Seems like every year it's different, which is true for the Midwest.  Year one - cold and rainy.  Year two - almost warm enough for shorts.  Year three - cold but sunny.  Who knows what this year will bring.  I'd rather have snow than rain, but a bright, sunny day would be my personal preference.   ;D

I think Trine starts spring football in early April.

Raider68 and LetItRain:
I know what you guys mean.  One never knows what April will bring.  There have been some nasty snowstorms in mid-April in some years as you all know.  LIR- nice summary of the weather since the spring football pracitce has been instituted for DIII.  One comment though - in reference to your posting name, I thouhgt you'd love rain for spring practice! ::) ;D :)  Just kidding!! :D  Indeed, I'd rather have anything but rain, yet sunny days even if a bit chilly like last year is fine with me.  Certainly, with the synthetic turf available, that makes it much easier and more fun, IMO.

Thanks for keeping our board active you guys.  We are always behind the other boards, but at least we're doing some actitivity here, more than a couple of the other conference boards I guess.

BTW, I sent in a question to Pat, our Great Moderator, but will also pose it here:  what happened to the DIII lacrosse board here?  Hope has already had two games, so I assume that Trine has started their season as well (although admittedly, I have not checked your school's athletic website).  Talk to you guys later.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on March 01, 2010, 07:34:07 PM
Trine's first LAX game was scheduled for last Saturday but it was postponed until tomorrow.  Trine has participated in a few indoor scrimmages but the actual season starts tomorrow.

Formerd3db - the rain I look forward to comes with a "Thunderstorm" warning each Saturday during football season!   ;)

23 weeks and counting....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2010, 07:49:32 PM
I suspect that Trine could hold some activities in the new ARC building if the weather did not cooperate, but it is football and it would have to be pretty nasty to move it inside.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 01, 2010, 07:49:37 PM
LIR:
Thanks for the update!  I think you are right about the "Thunderstorm" warnings for this season.  I have to believe that Trine is once again the favorite at this point.  Nor would it surprise me to see that they will continue the recent break of the past trend of the team who is voted the favorite to win the title at the MIAA Press Day.  While the MIAA race is always tight, some of the other "usual" contenders will need to step it up a notch this year.  Otherwise, it could very well be Trine for the third year in a row.  Then again, IMO, I hope not! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2010, 08:16:33 PM
The way the weather has turned the last couple of days, the snow should all be gone in a few more!  The park I take my dog to is already more muddy than snowy.

Barring a long dry spell, you'd destroy the turf (if it IS turf), but plenty of time for regeneration before summer drills! ;)

P.S., this report is from SE Michigan - can't guarantee it applies to central or SW Michigan! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 02, 2010, 07:43:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 01, 2010, 07:49:37 PM
LIR:
Thanks for the update!  I think you are right about the "Thunderstorm" warnings for this season.  I have to believe that Trine is once again the favorite at this point.  Nor would it surprise me to see that they will continue the recent break of the past trend of the team who is voted the favorite to win the title at the MIAA Press Day.  While the MIAA race is always tight, some of the other "usual" contenders will need to step it up a notch this year.  Otherwise, it could very well be Trine for the third year in a row.  Then again, IMO, I hope not! ;D


What is Trine bringing back in terms of their 2-deep roster and what school has the 2nd most returning starters?

It should be time that we all hear about perspective recruits for 2010!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on March 02, 2010, 09:11:15 AM
Let it Rain,

Nice job pulling out the Thunderstorm warning in March! Although used in some corny situations (by someone who will remain nameless, and I think you know who he is :)), it still sounds cool every time you hear it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on March 02, 2010, 12:34:40 PM
Diezel1 - sorry, couldn't resist.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on March 02, 2010, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 02, 2010, 07:43:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 01, 2010, 07:49:37 PM
LIR:
Thanks for the update!  I think you are right about the "Thunderstorm" warnings for this season.  I have to believe that Trine is once again the favorite at this point.  Nor would it surprise me to see that they will continue the recent break of the past trend of the team who is voted the favorite to win the title at the MIAA Press Day.  While the MIAA race is always tight, some of the other "usual" contenders will need to step it up a notch this year.  Otherwise, it could very well be Trine for the third year in a row.  Then again, IMO, I hope not! ;D

What is Trine bringing back in terms of their 2-deep roster and what school has the 2nd most returning starters?

It should be time that we all hear about perspective recruits for 2010!

Raider - I believe we only have 3 or 4 starters that graduated last year so most of our starting lineup should be back.  Maybe a couple of more seniors that were #2 in their position.  However, Coach Land will field the best team possible, even if that means the best person for the position didn't start last year.  I would like to tell you that I am "in the know" with the coaches but I'm not, so these are just my own opinions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 04, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on March 02, 2010, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 02, 2010, 07:43:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 01, 2010, 07:49:37 PM
LIR:
Thanks for the update!  I think you are right about the "Thunderstorm" warnings for this season.  I have to believe that Trine is once again the favorite at this point.  Nor would it surprise me to see that they will continue the recent break of the past trend of the team who is voted the favorite to win the title at the MIAA Press Day.  While the MIAA race is always tight, some of the other "usual" contenders will need to step it up a notch this year.  Otherwise, it could very well be Trine for the third year in a row.  Then again, IMO, I hope not! ;D

What is Trine bringing back in terms of their 2-deep roster and what school has the 2nd most returning starters?

It should be time that we all hear about perspective recruits for 2010!

Raider - I believe we only have 3 or 4 starters that graduated last year so most of our starting lineup should be back.  Maybe a couple of more seniors that were #2 in their position.  However, Coach Land will field the best team possible, even if that means the best person for the position didn't start last year.  I would like to tell you that I am "in the know" with the coaches but I'm not, so these are just my own opinions.


Sounds like Trine is going to be the MIAA leader again in 2010!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 09, 2010, 03:19:17 PM
Maybe Spring drills will have the benefit of some sun and decent temperatures if this week's weather is an indication! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 09, 2010, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 09, 2010, 03:19:17 PM
Maybe Spring drills will have the benefit of some sun and decent temperatures if this week's weather is an indication! :)

I hope you are right Raider68.  However, I will be surprised if that holds true.  Ever since I can remember, from my playing days at Hope "way back when", we've always had this nice week of weather in early March - either the first or second week.  So much that people were/are running around in shorts, tank tops, etc.  This always seemed to occur right before Spring Break (although in our case, it was actually a good 3-4 weeks before since back then, Hope's Spring Break was always around Easter in the first week of April while now it is mid-March as Hope starts their break this Friday).

Anyway, as I recall, we always got/get blasted thereafter with at least one more big snowstorm :(  Perhaps everyone will get lucky this year and the weather will be nice as you say for spring football drills, not to mention for the baseball and lacrosse games! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 09, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 09, 2010, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 09, 2010, 03:19:17 PM
Maybe Spring drills will have the benefit of some sun and decent temperatures if this week's weather is an indication! :)

I hope you are right Raider68.  However, I will be surprised if that holds true.  Ever since I can remember, from my playing days at Hope "way back when", we've always had this nice week of weather in early March - either the first or second week.  So much that people were/are running around in shorts, tank tops, etc.  This always seemed to occur right before Spring Break (although in our case, it was actually a good 3-4 weeks before since back then, Hope's Spring Break was always around Easter in the first week of April while now it is mid-March as Hope starts their break this Friday).

Anyway, as I recall, we always got/get blasted thereafter with at least one more big snowstorm :(  Perhaps everyone will get lucky this year and the weather will be nice as you say for spring football drills, not to mention for the baseball and lacrosse games! ;)

I am trying to be positive that we will start seeing some spring-like weather, but I know from prior years that we still have some cold weather before it really becomes nice.

I am just getting use to the idea that D3 has spring drills. I think it is great for both the players and coaches to ensure that the players are keeping fit and provides the coaches with a preview of returning players as well as holes or gaps they must fill through recruiting. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2010, 10:15:15 AM
This is not directly related to our board, nonetheless, has anyone heard anything further regarding the progress of Concordia University's (MI) football program?  I haven't heard if they have even selected a coach as yet?  I thought that was in the process - even if they are not going to officially start until 2011, that should have been in place by now I would think.  Just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 13, 2010, 11:08:13 AM
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/concordia-university-football-hopes-to-become-ann-arbors-little-house/

old press report, but it contained these key paragraphs

Limback said a budget and five-year plan has been laid out, but he declined to provide details. The blueprint includes efforts to build an on-campus football stadium. The athletic department is exploring contracts with area high schools for an immediate game-day venue.

"We're going to have to campaign to raise money, but we think it's going to open up a completely different donor base," said Limback. "The interest in football here is high, and we feel like we can help embrace that."

Concordia, an NAIA affiliated school, is in the process of applying for membership in the Mid-States Football Association. The goal of the university is to operate as a club program next season and become a varsity program by 2011. Related sports on the docket for addition are competitive cheerleading and competitive dance, which would help the university stay in compliance with Title IX.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 13, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
http://www.cuaa.edu/CUAANews/6038.html


Take a look at the attached link.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 14, 2010, 09:19:51 AM
Several Spring questions for the MIAA.

- a new coach at Olivet
- optimism at Trine
- Who will lead Adrian return to challenge Trine in the fall
- Will Hope move to the higher level of the MIAA
- Will the weather cooperate for the teams

Let's see what happens after 16 sessions! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 16, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Wow, I just noticed this on the main page here - Pat Coleman's article about Finlandia University in Michigan's Upper Peninsula having announced it will be adding a DIII football program in 2012.  Most people don't realize that this school used to be named Suomi College, founded back in the 1870's from the Finland and Norway immigrants to that area for the mining industry.  They already have DIII basketball and hockey.

While I'm sure some of the MIAA schools would then schedule Finlandia for an occasional non-conference game, still, as mentioned in the article, it is more logistical for Finlandia to schedule and perhaps eventually join a conference with teams from the Wisconsin area as it is closer.  While small (464 students, similar to Eureka, IL and Menlo, CA), adding football will most likely add to enrollment, similar to how it has helped Adrian College by adding additional sports.  IMO, a good move for Finlandia.

BTW. once Concordia - Ann Arbor gets its program underway, that is a potential non-conference game for some of the MIAA schools as well (no different than playing other DII schools such as Gannon, Tiffin, Uiversity of Indianapolis, etc. as osme of our MIAA schools have done in recent years).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 16, 2010, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 16, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Wow, I just noticed this on the main page here - Pat Coleman's article about Finlandia University in Michigan's Upper Peninsula having announced it will be adding a DIII football program in 2012.  Most people don't realize that this school used to be named Suomi College, founded back in the 1870's from the Finland and Norway immigrants to that area for the mining industry.  They already have DIII basketball and hockey.

While I'm sure some of the MIAA schools would then schedule Finlandia for an occasional non-conference game, still, as mentioned in the article, it is more logistical for Finlandia to schedule and perhaps eventually join a conference with teams from the Wisconsin area as it is closer.  While small (464 students, similar to Eureka, IL and Menlo, CA), adding football will most likely add to enrollment, similar to how it has helped Adrian College by adding additional sports.  IMO, a good move for Finlandia.

BTW. once Concordia - Ann Arbor gets its program underway, that is a potential non-conference game for some of the MIAA schools as well (no different than playing other DII schools such as Gannon, Tiffin, Uiversity of Indianapolis, etc. as osme of our MIAA schools have done in recent years).


I did not think that the UP had that many people living there, not mention having a D3 school who will now have football! At less than 500 students, I give the Administration credit for taking that step. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 16, 2010, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 16, 2010, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 16, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Wow, I just noticed this on the main page here - Pat Coleman's article about Finlandia University in Michigan's Upper Peninsula having announced it will be adding a DIII football program in 2012.  Most people don't realize that this school used to be named Suomi College, founded back in the 1870's from the Finland and Norway immigrants to that area for the mining industry.  They already have DIII basketball and hockey.

While I'm sure some of the MIAA schools would then schedule Finlandia for an occasional non-conference game, still, as mentioned in the article, it is more logistical for Finlandia to schedule and perhaps eventually join a conference with teams from the Wisconsin area as it is closer.  While small (464 students, similar to Eureka, IL and Menlo, CA), adding football will most likely add to enrollment, similar to how it has helped Adrian College by adding additional sports.  IMO, a good move for Finlandia.

BTW. once Concordia - Ann Arbor gets its program underway, that is a potential non-conference game for some of the MIAA schools as well (no different than playing other DII schools such as Gannon, Tiffin, Uiversity of Indianapolis, etc. as osme of our MIAA schools have done in recent years).


I did not think that the UP had that many people living there, not mention having a D3 school who will now have football! At less than 500 students, I give the Administration credit for taking that step. :)

I beg your pardon - the UP has over 100,000 residents, giving it a person per square mile rate slightly above Siberia! :D  Finlandia (formerly Suomi College) has blessedly been repositioned as West Region (as Great Lakes, it's nearest in-region foe was almost 500 miles away; there are dozens of schools in Wisconsin, and even Minnesota, that are closer), but, since it is still allegedly in Michigan, it still has all the original in-region teams too due to administrative region. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 16, 2010, 11:34:18 PM
The UP's population is slightly over 300,000.  1/6 living in the 3 cities of Sault Ste. Marie, Marquette and Escanaba.  Finlandia is in Hancock, right across the river from Houghton  on the Keewenaw Penninsula (the area is often referred to as Houghton-Hancock) and records ridiculous amounts of snow each year.  Houghton is home to Michigan Tech University, a football program that in recent years has been running on financial life support.

There are actually a good handful of traditionally solid high school football programs from the UP.  Most are in Class C or D.

Ishpeming, Iron Mountain, Crystal Falls Forest Park, Lake Lindon-Hubbel (right up the road from Finlandia) come to mind.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 17, 2010, 07:44:21 AM
Quote from: sac on March 16, 2010, 11:34:18 PM
The UP's population is slightly over 300,000.  1/6 living in the 3 cities of Sault Ste. Marie, Marquette and Escanaba.  Finlandia is in Hancock, right across the river from Houghton  on the Keewenaw Penninsula (the area is often referred to as Houghton-Hancock) and records ridiculous amounts of snow each year.  Houghton is home to Michigan Tech University, a football program that in recent years has been running on financial life support.

There are actually a good handful of traditionally solid high school football programs from the UP.  Most are in Class C or D.

Ishpeming, Iron Mountain, Crystal Falls Forest Park, Lake Lindon-Hubbel (right up the road from Finlandia) come to mind.

sac,

Thanks for the UP info, been to Sault Ste. Marie, but not too familiar with the other areas. Still think its great for a small school to start a program and there must be strong interest! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 18, 2010, 11:36:12 AM
Useless knowledge of the UP is almost a hobby of mine.

Before the age of 30 I had only been across the bridge once, and that was just to say we went across the bridge.  In 2001 I took a 4 day trip across the UP for some Fall color viewing and have tried to go back every year.  There aren't very many places up there I haven't been at least once now.  Its a love it or hate it place.

I'm a waterfall chaser and the UP has around 200......some easy to find, others not so much.  But the waterfalls drew me to drive and explore the UP and over 10 years I've accumulated quite a collection of photos and memories, and have found many surprising places with interesting history.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 18, 2010, 12:48:01 PM
Quote from: sac on March 18, 2010, 11:36:12 AM
Useless knowledge of the UP is almost a hobby of mine.

Before the age of 30 I had only been across the bridge once, and that was just to say we went across the bridge.  In 2001 I took a 4 day trip across the UP for some Fall color viewing and have tried to go back every year.  There aren't very many places up there I haven't been at least once now.  Its a love it or hate it place.

I'm a waterfall chaser and the UP has around 200......some easy to find, others not so much.  But the waterfalls drew me to drive and explore the UP and over 10 years I've accumulated quite a collection of photos and memories, and have found many surprising places with interesting history.

While living in Michigan, we liked Traverse City and :) Charlevois (sp) the best!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 22, 2010, 03:42:47 PM
Any news on Spring drills for the MIAA? This board is very quiet! ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 26, 2010, 11:41:52 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 22, 2010, 03:42:47 PM
Any news on Spring drills for the MIAA? This board is very quiet! ???

Hello, anyone home ? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on March 29, 2010, 08:14:20 AM
Trine starts spring ball today.  I think the scrimmage is scheduled for 4/24.  I do not have a lot of info about the recruits.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 29, 2010, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on March 29, 2010, 08:14:20 AM
Trine starts spring ball today.  I think the scrimmage is scheduled for 4/24.  I do not have a lot of info about the recruits.

Do the other MIAA schools start as Trine does or are they earlier?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 02, 2010, 06:01:22 PM
Yes Raider, it has indeed been too quiet here on this board!  Although I have contributed to it being that way as well ;D :D!!  Anyway, I haven't talked with any of the coaches for awhile, so I don't know about spring workouts over at Hope.  However, since they were on Spring Break last week and just returned, I'm sure it has started up.  I will be over there tomorrow for Hope's lacrosse game in the afternoon, so I'll be able "get the scoop" and will report back sometime thereafter in the next couple of days or so.  Baseball will be going on at the same time as Hope plays the remaining two games of the series with Calvin.

Anyway, I wish you and everyone here on our MIAA board a blessed and enjoyable Easter weekend with your families.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 04, 2010, 12:27:24 PM
Hope Everyone as a Happy and Safe Easter! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 09, 2010, 08:38:41 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 02, 2010, 06:01:22 PM
Yes Raider, it has indeed been too quiet here on this board!  Although I have contributed to it being that way as well ;D :D!!  Anyway, I haven't talked with any of the coaches for awhile, so I don't know about spring workouts over at Hope.  However, since they were on Spring Break last week and just returned, I'm sure it has started up.  I will be over there tomorrow for Hope's lacrosse game in the afternoon, so I'll be able "get the scoop" and will report back sometime thereafter in the next couple of days or so.  Baseball will be going on at the same time as Hope plays the remaining two games of the series with Calvin.

Anyway, I wish you and everyone here on our MIAA board a blessed and enjoyable Easter weekend with your families.

Former 3db,

Have a good visit to Hope? Hear anything for the spring?  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 12, 2010, 04:58:40 PM
Anyone heard from Former 3db, must be real busy! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dreads90 on April 14, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
I see that Adrian picked up UW-Whitewater for the 1st game of the season. This will be an interesting match-up and a good test to see where the program is at after all the changes that have been made since last season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 14, 2010, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: dreads90 on April 14, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
I see that Adrian picked up UW-Whitewater for the 1st game of the season. This will be an interesting match-up and a good test to see where the program is at after all the changes that have been made since last season.

I give Adrian and their staff credit for wanting to play one of the top programs. I think it is a win/win for Adrian!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 14, 2010, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 14, 2010, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: dreads90 on April 14, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
I see that Adrian picked up UW-Whitewater for the 1st game of the season. This will be an interesting match-up and a good test to see where the program is at after all the changes that have been made since last season.

I give Adrian and their staff credit for wanting to play one of the top programs. I think it is a win/win for Adrian!

I'll be rooting for Adrian to make enough of a game of it to benefit, but I fear it could get very ugly very quickly.  IWU finished #9 in the final poll, yet was destroyed by UWW, 45-7, in the second round of the tourney.  (I honestly thought the Titans could give them a solid challenge - I was wrong. :()

But I agree - props to Adrian for guts!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 14, 2010, 09:11:02 PM
A stadium project some D3's would blush at........

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1074494
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 14, 2010, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: sac on April 14, 2010, 09:11:02 PM
A stadium project some D3's would blush at........

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1074494

SOME??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 15, 2010, 07:49:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 14, 2010, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 14, 2010, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: dreads90 on April 14, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
I see that Adrian picked up UW-Whitewater for the 1st game of the season. This will be an interesting match-up and a good test to see where the program is at after all the changes that have been made since last season.

I give Adrian and their staff credit for wanting to play one of the top programs. I think it is a win/win for Adrian!

I'll be rooting for Adrian to make enough of a game of it to benefit, but I fear it could get very ugly very quickly.  IWU finished #9 in the final poll, yet was destroyed by UWW, 45-7, in the second round of the tourney.  (I honestly thought the Titans could give them a solid challenge - I was wrong. :()

But I agree - props to Adrian for guts!

Don't think it will be a close game either, but what Adrian as a team and coaches learn from preparing and playing a top team will help them in the MIAA conference! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on April 15, 2010, 09:35:22 AM
I work with a guy that has strong ties to UWW and he's saying that UWW will not be the same team this fall that they were in 2009.  Too many seniors are leaving that were instrumental in their positions.  They should continue to be competitive but probably not at the same level as last year.  Hopefully Adrian will put up a good fight.

Trine is playing UW River Falls and LaGrange this fall - new match-ups for Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 15, 2010, 10:03:27 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on April 15, 2010, 09:35:22 AM
I work with a guy that has strong ties to UWW and he's saying that UWW will not be the same team this fall that they were in 2009.  Too many seniors are leaving that were instrumental in their positions.  They should continue to be competitive but probably not at the same level as last year.  Hopefully Adrian will put up a good fight.

Trine is playing UW River Falls and LaGrange this fall - new match-ups for Trine.

I have been keeping an eye on UWW, and 2010 will be a interesting season for them for the reasons you mentioned. They will be more running oriented with Coppage and a new QB. I hope Adrian will be competitive and think Trine will be.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dreads90 on April 15, 2010, 12:29:27 PM
I suspect Trine will make a good run next year and into the playoffs with the QB RB TE and some wr's returning to lead that great offense of theirs and as well as a few of the playmakers they have on defense but my heart is still with my Adrian Bulldog family despite my feelings towards the administration there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dreads90 on April 15, 2010, 12:45:40 PM
*next season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 15, 2010, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: dreads90 on April 15, 2010, 12:29:27 PM
I suspect Trine will make a good run next year and into the playoffs with the QB RB TE and some wr's returning to lead that great offense of theirs and as well as a few of the playmakers they have on defense but my heart is still with my Adrian Bulldog family despite my feelings towards the administration there.

Another school with an administration problem? Another Capital? What is it will these D3 administrators? :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 15, 2010, 03:26:55 PM


INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Wedge blocks and eye black with messages will be banned in college football next season. And taunting penalties could cost teams points in 2011.

All three measures were approved by the NCAA on Thursday.
The organization's rules panel followed the NFL's lead by barring wedge blocks on kickoffs for safety reasons. Infractions will result in a 15-yard penalty from the spot of the foul or from the spot the kick returner was tackled if he is behind where the foul took place.

Beginning in 2011, the committee approved another proposal that will disallow touchdowns for taunting, if the foul occurs before the player scores.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 16, 2010, 09:16:25 AM
Quote from: sac on April 15, 2010, 03:26:55 PM


INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Wedge blocks and eye black with messages will be banned in college football next season. And taunting penalties could cost teams points in 2011.

All three measures were approved by the NCAA on Thursday.
The organization's rules panel followed the NFL's lead by barring wedge blocks on kickoffs for safety reasons. Infractions will result in a 15-yard penalty from the spot of the foul or from the spot the kick returner was tackled if he is behind where the foul took place.

Beginning in 2011, the committee approved another proposal that will disallow touchdowns for taunting, if the foul occurs before the player scores.


Saw the article, the new rules make sense!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 19, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
Former 3db,

Did not make to the All-star game, but heard the D3 guys represented
themselves well! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on April 19, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
Let it Rain-

I don't know....looks like Wisc. Whitewater might not be the same, but if I want any returners back I want the Oline, All-American RB and All time WR leader back...don't forget the rumors that Adrian lost three of four Dline starters from last year - they either transferred or graduated.

The 2010 Warhawks return seven starters on defense and five offense. Sixteen more players that were listed on UW-W's two-deep are also back. Among the players returning are All-American running back Levell Coppage (2,107 yards, 35 TD's), four of the five offensive linemen including All-American guard Matt Weber, and wide receiver Aaron Rusch, UW-W's career reception leader.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on April 20, 2010, 08:22:04 AM
I'm only going by what my co-worker told me.  He's a UWW graduate and follows their program very closely. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 20, 2010, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: HOF on April 19, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
Let it Rain-

I don't know....looks like Wisc. Whitewater might not be the same, but if I want any returners back I want the Oline, All-American RB and All time WR leader back...don't forget the rumors that Adrian lost three of four Dline starters from last year - they either transferred or graduated.

The 2010 Warhawks return seven starters on defense and five offense. Sixteen more players that were listed on UW-W's two-deep are also back. Among the players returning are All-American running back Levell Coppage (2,107 yards, 35 TD's), four of the five offensive linemen including All-American guard Matt Weber, and wide receiver Aaron Rusch, UW-W's career reception leader.

UWW will present a strong challenge for their opponents this fall as well, but I like that Adrian wants to see how they do. UWW will have players ready to move up, but it may take them a few games to get there. Playing them early in the season is a good opportunity! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 22, 2010, 09:36:24 AM
What is Adrian bringing back this fall and how do they match up against Trine?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dreads90 on April 22, 2010, 03:31:11 PM
http://adrianbulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/adri-m-footbl-mtt.html

Here is Adrian's 2010 roster (as of now). McGee will be back at QB which is a plus for the team. Adrian has had a strong defense over the last few seasons and I dont see that changing anytime soon. I think the Trine/Adrian game will be a fun one to watch this year as always and will be a great way to start MIAA play this year for the Dawgs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 22, 2010, 03:59:10 PM
Quote from: dreads90 on April 22, 2010, 03:31:11 PM
http://adrianbulldogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/adri-m-footbl-mtt.html

Here is Adrian's 2010 roster (as of now). McGee will be back at QB which is a plus for the team. Adrian has had a strong defense over the last few seasons and I dont see that changing anytime soon. I think the Trine/Adrian game will be a fun one to watch this year as always and will be a great way to start MIAA play this year for the Dawgs.

Thanks for the info! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on April 23, 2010, 12:17:28 PM
Dreads,

One name I didn't see on the roster was RB Myke Johnson.  Is he not playing this year or did he leave after the coaching change?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dreads90 on April 23, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
I have not heard anything on Myke as of yet about his status. I havent been able to talk to any of my sources from Adrian but I will keep you posted once I do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 24, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
I heard from a reliable source very close to the school (who I won't/can't name due to obvious reasons) that Siena Heights University in Adrian, MI (across town from Adrian College) will very, very likely be adding intercollegiate football next year.  Their Board of Trustees meets in a couple of weeks and I was told it is highly likely.  Of course, their program will be NAIA scholarship football, just like Concordia-Ann Arbor who they play against in the same conference for other sports (although they will most likely be in the Mid-States football conference like Concordia and the other NAIA schools in the greater region that play scholarship DII football).  A very interesting development and I can see perhaps the potential for an occasional non-conference game for some of the MIAA schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 24, 2010, 05:36:27 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 24, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
I heard from a reliable source very close to the school (who I won't/can't name due to obvious reasons) that Siena Heights University in Adrian, MI (across town from Adrian College) will very, very likely be adding intercollegiate football next year.  Their Board of Trustees meets in a couple of weeks and I was told it is highly likely.  Of course, their program will be NAIA scholarship football, just like Concordia-Ann Arbor who they play against in the same conference for other sports (although they will most likely be in the Mid-States football conference like Concordia and the other NAIA schools in the greater region that play scholarship DII football).  A very interesting development and I can see perhaps the potential for an occasional non-conference game for some of the MIAA schools.

Former 3db,

Your presence has been missed on this board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 25, 2010, 08:28:19 PM
Thanks Raider68, you are most kind.  I/we also appreciate your being a part of our board even though you are originally and "OAC guy"! ;D  Yet, your "Michigan" connection/years qualifies you for here as well. :)

Anyway, I've been in-out of town frequently the past 4 weeks, plus busy at my "day job", so I haven't had much time to post here, which is uncharacteristic for me.  Yet, I'm sure I'll be returning back here to the more usual posting pattern in the near future.  BTW, a slight belated congratulations on your 100th +karma point - well done!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 26, 2010, 07:20:35 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 25, 2010, 08:28:19 PM
Thanks Raider68, you are most kind.  I/we also appreciate your being a part of our board even though you are originally and "OAC guy"! ;D  Yet, your "Michigan" connection/years qualifies you for here as well. :)

Anyway, I've been in-out of town frequently the past 4 weeks, plus busy at my "day job", so I haven't had much time to post here, which is uncharacteristic for me.  Yet, I'm sure I'll be returning back here to the more usual posting pattern in the near future.  BTW, a slight belated congratulations on your 100th +karma point - well done!!


Thanks 3db,  :)

Have heard very little on the All-star game in Columbus and did not make it there, except that a few D3 guys (K. Rocco, Pietro) had a good game! Have you heard anything else?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 26, 2010, 02:09:27 PM
Raider:

You're welcome!  I also didn't make it to the recent all-star game and haven't heard anything else other than what you mentioned and was posted by some of the others on the OAC board regarding that.  Likewise, things have been very quiet around the league circles and I haven't heard anything about tentative incoming players for most of the schools.  I guess most people are concentrating on the spring sports.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 27, 2010, 03:35:09 PM
So going into this fall Trine and Adrian are the teams at the top of the MIAA, anyone else who can challenge for the title and playoffs? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 29, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 27, 2010, 03:35:09 PM
So going into this fall Trine and Adrian are the teams at the top of the MIAA, anyone else who can challenge for the title and playoffs? :-\

Former 3db,

What is your take on the above?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 29, 2010, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 29, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 27, 2010, 03:35:09 PM
So going into this fall Trine and Adrian are the teams at the top of the MIAA, anyone else who can challenge for the title and playoffs? :-\

Former 3db,

What is your take on the above?

Raider:

I would agree with that i.e the assessment of Trine and Adrian, even though Adrian has a new coaching staff.  I think their players will be "hungry" even though overall, many of their players, alumni and fans have been upset over the way the coaching change was handled.  Regarding the others, I think that Olivet and Kazoo will again be the bottom tier teams.  With a new coaching staff (including the 3 retainee assistant coaches), Olivet will have some new enthusiasm, however, unfortunately, I think Olivet will have a difficult time since they upgraded their non-conference schedule with some pretty tough teams.  Kazoo has made some strides (if small, but nonetheless some improvement) with Zorbo, their passionate alumni coach and I think they'll make some further imporvement, yet not enough to make a difference this year - it obviously takes time.

As far as the remaining teams, it's a "toss-up"IMO.  On paper, Hope should be right up there, however, the players have not played up to their potential the past two years and IMO, that has not been the fault of the coaching staff.  Alma should be in the race, although admittedly, they have to replace their 3 year starter McGrady at QB.  As far as Albion, who knows?  They should be improved, however, the "verdict is out on them - I'm personally just not sure how to eval them from what little I know, which isn't much ;D  I will say, though, that I never count them out - certainly not against Hope as it is always a barnburner when we play them - I'd have to say our most heated rivalry - at least it was when I played "way back when" ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 29, 2010, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 29, 2010, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 29, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 27, 2010, 03:35:09 PM
So going into this fall Trine and Adrian are the teams at the top of the MIAA, anyone else who can challenge for the title and playoffs? :-\

Former 3db,

What is your take on the above?

Raider:

I would agree with that i.e the assessment of Trine and Adrian, even though Adrian has a new coaching staff.  I think their players will be "hungry" even though overall, many of their players, alumni and fans have been upset over the way the coaching change was handled.  Regarding the others, I think that Olivet and Kazoo will again be the bottom tier teams.  With a new coaching staff (including the 3 retainee assistant coaches), Olivet will have some new enthusiasm, however, unfortunately, I think Olivet will have a difficult time since they upgraded their non-conference schedule with some pretty tough teams.  Kazoo has made some strides (if small, but nonetheless some improvement) with Zorbo, their passionate alumni coach and I think they'll make some further imporvement, yet not enough to make a difference this year - it obviously takes time.

As far as the remaining teams, it's a "toss-up"IMO.  On paper, Hope should be right up there, however, the players have not played up to their potential the past two years and IMO, that has not been the fault of the coaching staff.  Alma should be in the race, although admittedly, they have to replace their 3 year starter McGrady at QB.  As far as Albion, who knows?  They should be improved, however, the "verdict is out on them - I'm personally just not sure how to eval them from what little I know, which isn't much ;D  I will say, though, that I never count them out - certainly not against Hope as it is always a barnburner when we play them - I'd have to say our most heated rivalry - at least it was when I played "way back when" ;D ;)


Thanks, great incite! Maybe your alma mater will be the dark horse this year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on May 03, 2010, 10:19:43 PM
After completing a thorough five-month exploration process, Siena Heights University announced it is starting intercollegiate football that will begin play in fall 2011.

President Albert said the decision was made to move forward with football based on the recommendation of the Football Task Force she established in January. The task force was led by SHU Athletic Director Fred Smith and included SHU faculty, staff and students as well as board members and members of the community. This task force gathered extensive information, including how football would impact the athletic, academic, financial and student life areas of SHU. After this information was compiled and presented, the SHU Board of Trustees met May 1, 2010, and approved the plan to begin football, which was the final step in the approval process.

"Adding football at Siena Heights has been talked about for years, but this was the right time for us," Smith said. "I was impressed by the way our community came together and looked at all the factors involved in this decision, which were many. I would especially like to thank all those who were involved in the process. I am thrilled to have helped lead this exploration process and believe football will enhance the university as well as our athletic program."

Siena Heights also introduced the coach who will begin Siena Heights' football tradition. Veteran coach Jim Lyall was introduced as Siena Heights' first head coach. With more than 20 years as a college head coach as well as being a former player at the University of Michigan under the late legendary coach Bo Schembechler, Lyall will bring his combination of leadership, experience and character to Siena Heights, according to Smith.

"We couldn't have asked for a better person to lead our football program," he said. "We wanted someone who understood not only how to run a college football program, but could build it the right way. We want success both on and off the field, and Jim will accomplish that for us at Siena Heights."

"Since the very first day I came over and interviewed with Sister Peg, her focus is on the students here at Siena," said Lyall, who served as a consultant during the exploration process. "Everything she does is pointed in that direction. How do we make the mission come alive here? How are we going to affect these young men and young women at Siena Heights for really the rest of their lives. ... Having the opportunity to talk with Sister Peg, I know how important the mission is to Siena Heights University and that a program could be built around that whole idea of helping young men become competent, giving them purpose, meaning in their lives. And teaching and modeling ethical behavior. That has to be the foundation of the program."

Lyall said he and new offensive/recruiting coordinator Jeff Hancock will begin recruiting student-athletes immediately. The Saints, who will become the only Catholic college or university in Michigan to offer football scholarships, will play a junior varsity schedule beginning in fall 2011. SHU has applied for membership in the Mid-States Football Conference, one of the top NAIA conferences in the country. If accepted, Siena Heights will begin conference play in 2012.

"We need to have young men who understand the whole meaning of character and integrity," Lyall said. "Because we don't have any senior leadership right now, it's going to be important for us to recruit a certain type of student-athlete. We're going to target captains. We're going to going to target players from programs that have been successful."

The Saints will also compete on a new, on-campus, artificial grass outdoor performance stadium that is expected to be completed by the start of the 2011 season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 03, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: HOF on May 03, 2010, 10:19:43 PM
After completing a thorough five-month exploration process, Siena Heights University announced it is starting intercollegiate football that will begin play in fall 2011.

President Albert said the decision was made to move forward with football based on the recommendation of the Football Task Force she established in January. The task force was led by SHU Athletic Director Fred Smith and included SHU faculty, staff and students as well as board members and members of the community. This task force gathered extensive information, including how football would impact the athletic, academic, financial and student life areas of SHU. After this information was compiled and presented, the SHU Board of Trustees met May 1, 2010, and approved the plan to begin football, which was the final step in the approval process.

“Adding football at Siena Heights has been talked about for years, but this was the right time for us,” Smith said. “I was impressed by the way our community came together and looked at all the factors involved in this decision, which were many. I would especially like to thank all those who were involved in the process. I am thrilled to have helped lead this exploration process and believe football will enhance the university as well as our athletic program.”

Siena Heights also introduced the coach who will begin Siena Heights’ football tradition. Veteran coach Jim Lyall was introduced as Siena Heights’ first head coach. With more than 20 years as a college head coach as well as being a former player at the University of Michigan under the late legendary coach Bo Schembechler, Lyall will bring his combination of leadership, experience and character to Siena Heights, according to Smith.

“We couldn’t have asked for a better person to lead our football program,” he said. “We wanted someone who understood not only how to run a college football program, but could build it the right way. We want success both on and off the field, and Jim will accomplish that for us at Siena Heights.”

“Since the very first day I came over and interviewed with Sister Peg, her focus is on the students here at Siena,” said Lyall, who served as a consultant during the exploration process. “Everything she does is pointed in that direction. How do we make the mission come alive here? How are we going to affect these young men and young women at Siena Heights for really the rest of their lives. … Having the opportunity to talk with Sister Peg, I know how important the mission is to Siena Heights University and that a program could be built around that whole idea of helping young men become competent, giving them purpose, meaning in their lives. And teaching and modeling ethical behavior. That has to be the foundation of the program.”

Lyall said he and new offensive/recruiting coordinator Jeff Hancock will begin recruiting student-athletes immediately. The Saints, who will become the only Catholic college or university in Michigan to offer football scholarships, will play a junior varsity schedule beginning in fall 2011. SHU has applied for membership in the Mid-States Football Conference, one of the top NAIA conferences in the country. If accepted, Siena Heights will begin conference play in 2012.

“We need to have young men who understand the whole meaning of character and integrity,” Lyall said. “Because we don’t have any senior leadership right now, it’s going to be important for us to recruit a certain type of student-athlete. We’re going to target captains. We’re going to going to target players from programs that have been successful.”

The Saints will also compete on a new, on-campus, artificial grass outdoor performance stadium that is expected to be completed by the start of the 2011 season.

That is great news for the MIAA, if they will complete in the conference. Where are they located? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 03, 2010, 11:25:34 PM
They're in Adrian, but play in NAIA.  But it does give another option for non-con games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOF on May 04, 2010, 12:01:17 AM
Yes...sorry for misleading you here.  Jim Lyall, the new head coach at Siena Heights, is the former head coach at Adrian College.  Perhaps we might see the Adrian College vs. Siena Heights match up someday?  I know schedules are usually done two years in advance, but you never know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 04, 2010, 12:07:08 AM
Quote from: HOF on May 04, 2010, 12:01:17 AM
Yes...sorry for misleading you here.  Jim Lyall, the new head coach at Siena Heights, is the former head coach at Adrian College.  Perhaps we might see the Adrian College vs. Siena Heights match up someday?  I know schedules are usually done two years in advance, but you never know.

Siena Heights/Adrian is such an obvious rivalry, I'd be shocked if it didn't happen pretty quickly.  Since Adrian would probably slaughter them the first few years, maybe not instantly, but I'll bet it happens within the first decade.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on May 04, 2010, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 03, 2010, 11:25:34 PM
They're in Adrian, but play in NAIA.  But it does give another option for non-con games.

Another take on the "3 Rs" - River Raisin Rumble   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 04, 2010, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 24, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
I heard from a reliable source very close to the school (who I won't/can't name due to obvious reasons) that Siena Heights University in Adrian, MI (across town from Adrian College) will very, very likely be adding intercollegiate football next year.  Their Board of Trustees meets in a couple of weeks and I was told it is highly likely.  Of course, their program will be NAIA scholarship football, just like Concordia-Ann Arbor who they play against in the same conference for other sports (although they will most likely be in the Mid-States football conference like Concordia and the other NAIA schools in the greater region that play scholarship DII football).  A very interesting development and I can see perhaps the potential for an occasional non-conference game for some of the MIAA schools.
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 03, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: HOF on May 03, 2010, 10:19:43 PM
After completing a thorough five-month exploration process, Siena Heights University announced it is starting intercollegiate football that will begin play in fall 2011.

President Albert said the decision was made to move forward with football based on the recommendation of the Football Task Force she established in January. The task force was led by SHU Athletic Director Fred Smith and included SHU faculty, staff and students as well as board members and members of the community. This task force gathered extensive information, including how football would impact the athletic, academic, financial and student life areas of SHU. After this information was compiled and presented, the SHU Board of Trustees met May 1, 2010, and approved the plan to begin football, which was the final step in the approval process.

“Adding football at Siena Heights has been talked about for years, but this was the right time for us,” Smith said. “I was impressed by the way our community came together and looked at all the factors involved in this decision, which were many. I would especially like to thank all those who were involved in the process. I am thrilled to have helped lead this exploration process and believe football will enhance the university as well as our athletic program.”

Siena Heights also introduced the coach who will begin Siena Heights’ football tradition. Veteran coach Jim Lyall was introduced as Siena Heights’ first head coach. With more than 20 years as a college head coach as well as being a former player at the University of Michigan under the late legendary coach Bo Schembechler, Lyall will bring his combination of leadership, experience and character to Siena Heights, according to Smith.

“We couldn’t have asked for a better person to lead our football program,” he said. “We wanted someone who understood not only how to run a college football program, but could build it the right way. We want success both on and off the field, and Jim will accomplish that for us at Siena Heights.”

“Since the very first day I came over and interviewed with Sister Peg, her focus is on the students here at Siena,” said Lyall, who served as a consultant during the exploration process. “Everything she does is pointed in that direction. How do we make the mission come alive here? How are we going to affect these young men and young women at Siena Heights for really the rest of their lives. … Having the opportunity to talk with Sister Peg, I know how important the mission is to Siena Heights University and that a program could be built around that whole idea of helping young men become competent, giving them purpose, meaning in their lives. And teaching and modeling ethical behavior. That has to be the foundation of the program.”

Lyall said he and new offensive/recruiting coordinator Jeff Hancock will begin recruiting student-athletes immediately. The Saints, who will become the only Catholic college or university in Michigan to offer football scholarships, will play a junior varsity schedule beginning in fall 2011. SHU has applied for membership in the Mid-States Football Conference, one of the top NAIA conferences in the country. If accepted, Siena Heights will begin conference play in 2012.

“We need to have young men who understand the whole meaning of character and integrity,” Lyall said. “Because we don’t have any senior leadership right now, it’s going to be important for us to recruit a certain type of student-athlete. We’re going to target captains. We’re going to going to target players from programs that have been successful.”

The Saints will also compete on a new, on-campus, artificial grass outdoor performance stadium that is expected to be completed by the start of the 2011 season.

That is great news for the MIAA, if they will complete in the conference. Where are they located? :-\
Quote from: HOF on May 04, 2010, 12:01:17 AM
Yes...sorry for misleading you here.  Jim Lyall, the new head coach at Siena Heights, is the former head coach at Adrian College.  Perhaps we might see the Adrian College vs. Siena Heights match up someday?  I know schedules are usually done two years in advance, but you never know.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 04, 2010, 12:07:08 AM
Quote from: HOF on May 04, 2010, 12:01:17 AM
Yes...sorry for misleading you here.  Jim Lyall, the new head coach at Siena Heights, is the former head coach at Adrian College.  Perhaps we might see the Adrian College vs. Siena Heights match up someday?  I know schedules are usually done two years in advance, but you never know.

Siena Heights/Adrian is such an obvious rivalry, I'd be shocked if it didn't happen pretty quickly.  Since Adrian would probably slaughter them the first few years, maybe not instantly, but I'll bet it happens within the first decade.
Quote from: cave2bens on May 04, 2010, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 03, 2010, 11:25:34 PM
They're in Adrian, but play in NAIA.  But it does give another option for non-con games.

Another take on the "3 Rs" - River Raisin Rumble   :D

That is great news.  I guess my source was "right" :) ;)  Also, although I didn't mention this, I figured that Coach Lyall would probably be among the candidates for consideraton, even though he was a consultant for the process initially (just like he was a consultant for Concordia-Ann Arbor).  While there were most likely some additional very qualified candidates, I think Lyall is a good and logical choice to start the program.  He is a veteran coach, knows the area, has connections and has the benefit of coaching at the DIII level as well as playing at U of Mich i.e. scholarship programs.  I think it will be a benefit to Siena Heights as he will integrate the DIII philosophy with regards to athletics and academics as he indicated, even though they will be a scholarship program.  One other minor aspect for that is it also eliminates he and his wife from having to move from the area :)

Also, not a surprise that he has already added Jeff Hancock to his staff, who had been with him at Adrian as I recall.

It will be interesting to see their program develop and, I , too, see the very possibility of some SH as well as Concordia-Ann Arbor match-ups with MIAA teams for some non-conference games.  IMO, that shouldn't be a detriment to anyone.

BTW, please forgive any typo's/misspellings here in my post - no time to modify those right now -thanks! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 04, 2010, 10:20:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 04, 2010, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 24, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
I heard from a reliable source very close to the school (who I won't/can't name due to obvious reasons) that Siena Heights University in Adrian, MI (across town from Adrian College) will very, very likely be adding intercollegiate football next year.  Their Board of Trustees meets in a couple of weeks and I was told it is highly likely.  Of course, their program will be NAIA scholarship football, just like Concordia-Ann Arbor who they play against in the same conference for other sports (although they will most likely be in the Mid-States football conference like Concordia and the other NAIA schools in the greater region that play scholarship DII football).  A very interesting development and I can see perhaps the potential for an occasional non-conference game for some of the MIAA schools.
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 03, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: HOF on May 03, 2010, 10:19:43 PM
After completing a thorough five-month exploration process, Siena Heights University announced it is starting intercollegiate football that will begin play in fall 2011.

President Albert said the decision was made to move forward with football based on the recommendation of the Football Task Force she established in January. The task force was led by SHU Athletic Director Fred Smith and included SHU faculty, staff and students as well as board members and members of the community. This task force gathered extensive information, including how football would impact the athletic, academic, financial and student life areas of SHU. After this information was compiled and presented, the SHU Board of Trustees met May 1, 2010, and approved the plan to begin football, which was the final step in the approval process.

“Adding football at Siena Heights has been talked about for years, but this was the right time for us,” Smith said. “I was impressed by the way our community came together and looked at all the factors involved in this decision, which were many. I would especially like to thank all those who were involved in the process. I am thrilled to have helped lead this exploration process and believe football will enhance the university as well as our athletic program.”

Siena Heights also introduced the coach who will begin Siena Heights’ football tradition. Veteran coach Jim Lyall was introduced as Siena Heights’ first head coach. With more than 20 years as a college head coach as well as being a former player at the University of Michigan under the late legendary coach Bo Schembechler, Lyall will bring his combination of leadership, experience and character to Siena Heights, according to Smith.

“We couldn’t have asked for a better person to lead our football program,” he said. “We wanted someone who understood not only how to run a college football program, but could build it the right way. We want success both on and off the field, and Jim will accomplish that for us at Siena Heights.”

“Since the very first day I came over and interviewed with Sister Peg, her focus is on the students here at Siena,” said Lyall, who served as a consultant during the exploration process. “Everything she does is pointed in that direction. How do we make the mission come alive here? How are we going to affect these young men and young women at Siena Heights for really the rest of their lives. … Having the opportunity to talk with Sister Peg, I know how important the mission is to Siena Heights University and that a program could be built around that whole idea of helping young men become competent, giving them purpose, meaning in their lives. And teaching and modeling ethical behavior. That has to be the foundation of the program.”

Lyall said he and new offensive/recruiting coordinator Jeff Hancock will begin recruiting student-athletes immediately. The Saints, who will become the only Catholic college or university in Michigan to offer football scholarships, will play a junior varsity schedule beginning in fall 2011. SHU has applied for membership in the Mid-States Football Conference, one of the top NAIA conferences in the country. If accepted, Siena Heights will begin conference play in 2012.

“We need to have young men who understand the whole meaning of character and integrity,” Lyall said. “Because we don’t have any senior leadership right now, it’s going to be important for us to recruit a certain type of student-athlete. We’re going to target captains. We’re going to going to target players from programs that have been successful.”

The Saints will also compete on a new, on-campus, artificial grass outdoor performance stadium that is expected to be completed by the start of the 2011 season.

That is great news for the MIAA, if they will complete in the conference. Where are they located? :-\
Quote from: HOF on May 04, 2010, 12:01:17 AM
Yes...sorry for misleading you here.  Jim Lyall, the new head coach at Siena Heights, is the former head coach at Adrian College.  Perhaps we might see the Adrian College vs. Siena Heights match up someday?  I know schedules are usually done two years in advance, but you never know.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 04, 2010, 12:07:08 AM
Quote from: HOF on May 04, 2010, 12:01:17 AM
Yes...sorry for misleading you here.  Jim Lyall, the new head coach at Siena Heights, is the former head coach at Adrian College.  Perhaps we might see the Adrian College vs. Siena Heights match up someday?  I know schedules are usually done two years in advance, but you never know.

Siena Heights/Adrian is such an obvious rivalry, I'd be shocked if it didn't happen pretty quickly.  Since Adrian would probably slaughter them the first few years, maybe not instantly, but I'll bet it happens within the first decade.
Quote from: cave2bens on May 04, 2010, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 03, 2010, 11:25:34 PM
They're in Adrian, but play in NAIA.  But it does give another option for non-con games.

Another take on the "3 Rs" - River Raisin Rumble   :D

That is great news.  I guess my source was "right" :) ;)  Also, although I didn't mention this, I figured that Coach Lyall would probably be among the candidates for consideraton, even though he was a consultant for the process initially (just like he was a consultant for Concordia-Ann Arbor).  While there were most likely some additional very qualified candidates, I think Lyall is a good and logical choice to start the program.  He is a veteran coach, knows the area, has connections and has the benefit of coaching at the DIII level as well as playing at U of Mich i.e. scholarship programs.  I think it will be a benefit to Siena Heights as he will integrate the DIII philosophy with regards to athletics and academics as he indicated, even though they will be a scholarship program.  One other minor aspect for that is it also eliminates he and his wife from having to move from the area :)

Also, not a surprise that he has already added Jeff Hancock to his staff, who had been with him at Adrian as I recall.

It will be interesting to see their program develop and, I , too, see the very possibility of some SH as well as Concordia-Ann Arbor match-ups with MIAA teams for some non-conference games.  IMO, that shouldn't be a detriment to anyone.

BTW, please forgive any typo's/misspellings here in my post - no time to modify those right now -thanks! ;D

What is the benefit of being a NAIA school with a D3 approach? :-\ Who do you play in Michigan that has strong programs?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2010, 03:10:09 PM
Raider68:

Here is my "take" on that, although I'm sure many people will disagree with me.  I think there are several potential benefits for some of the Michigan DIII schools playing an occasional non-conference game against some of these new NAIA schools.

1) While admittedly, new programs, especially in their first year or two, are not very good, on the other hand, I have the distinct feeling that these two new ones in Michigan will be.  Lake Erie College did it quite quickly and they are DII already (although that was their "game plan" all along) and North Carolina Wesleyan did also, along with Christopher Newport, just to mention a few examples.  On the other hand, one could point to St. Vincent College in PA which has had a tougher go at this.  In addition, many people feel that many of the NAIA schools are not as good as the better DIII schools, yet I would beg to differ on that since I think that many of them would beat and/or give the DIII schools a tough game - particularly at this time with regard to how the MIAA teams have been playing.  The NAIA competition is better than some people i.e. general fans/football followers let on or believe, although also many of those programs have been labeled and run as "renegade" programs (recruiting practices, etc. in some instances).

Taking all that into consideration, it gives the MIAA schools an opportunity to play "some different schools for a change (as opposed to the typical and routine scheduling other DIII's in nearby states - again I'm mentioning this in the sense of playing one game per season).  

2)  Assuming some of these NAIA schools are better/stronger than they were in general in past years, that in the long run will (should ;D) make the MIAA teams better overall and with regard to (hopefully) better success in the playoffs.  I've always had that philosophy and have discussed that on the boards in the past.  Way back when I played, we played DII schools on occasion and IMO, that really helped.  So did some of the other MIAA schools although also admittedly, some of those DII schools are now "way better" than they wre back then.

Alma scrimmages Northwood in pre-season the past few years and I think that is great and helps.  Also, some of the MIAA schools play the D-IAA non-scholarship schools (uh, I mean the FCD ;D)  and I think that helps also (although some people disagree with me since they feel that many of those schools are no better than some of the DIII schools, to which I don't believe is true in all cases most of the time - certainly some years in the past 1 1/2 decades that has not been true).  Personally, I'd like to to see our MIAA schools schedule a DII or DIAA occasionaly/more often for one game per season.

3)  Also, with regard to Concordia-Ann Arbor and Sienna Heights, even though they will be new programs, I believe they will draw some very good players - certainly some of the general pool is much better for all schools in DII and DIII in this 5 state region than historically in the past.  As such with a verteran coach such as Lyall and his assistant so far, with the enthusiasm that will be in effect from players, families, fans and the communities for these being just that i.e. new programs and "something different", I think there is a real possibility for earlier success.  

4)  In regards to all the above, I think some neat new rivaliries could potentially be established.

5)  With regard to the economic factors, certainly it would help cut down on travel costs for the MIAA schools, even though they usually only do one long distance non-conference game per year now anyway.  Yet, I'm sure everyone will agree that every little bit helps.

6)  I could be wrong, but with regard to the SOS and the DIII playoffs, I don't think that would affect the MIAA schools that much because a) it is only one game "out of region or out- of -DIII", b) the MIAA champion gets the AQ anyway and 3) the way our MIAA teams have been playing in recent years, we're highly unlikely to get a second team bid anyway (at least for a while, unfortunately) ;D :( ::)

Finally, with regards to a NAIA scholarship school having the DIII philospohy, I'm just following up on what Coach Lyall said in this statement and I take him at his word for that.  I can't speak for Concordia-AA, however, it appears, at least from the press release that the Sienna Heights Committee and its school president appeared to suggest that, again, in conjunction with Lyall's statement.  

My apologies for rambling perhaps, yet I just thought I'd share and expand on that in reply to your question.  Besides, for the simple reason I think this would be a challenge and "just something different" and further besides, why not i.e. what the heck? ??? ::) ;) ;D.  What do you think?  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2010, 03:24:19 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention Finlandia.  However, that could be "a different animal" ;D  Also, I just thought I would confine my examples to the "closer located" two schools. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 06, 2010, 04:06:32 PM
former,

Good summary.  But on the point of making the MIAA stronger, might not the fact that they can offer scholarships to players who might have otherwise gone MIAA run the risk that the MIAA will end up weaker?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2010, 04:32:20 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Thanks.  Good to hear from you also.  

You have a valid point and I agree.  Yet, also, that has already been happening the past several years.  Nonetheless, I think that can only potentially help the MIAA players get stronger.  In theory, it should, although admittedly that will not always happen and were a team to take that path, it most likely would take a few years to see the results - if they scheduled consistently (the latter has not really happened of recent though).

I dare say that some of the NAIA schools in Kentucky and Tennessee are very good teams and could beat many of the DIII teams including some of the upper tier DIII teams.  I never believed that a few years ago, however, after following a few of those from time to time of recent, I'm beginning to change my mind.

BTW, in reading over on your CCIW board, it appears that your IWU is further doing well and "reloading" for this season.  Are you planning on coming to the game at Hope this year (it is the first one of the season)?  If so, let me know and perhaps wer can hook up for dinner after the game  i.e. more time to visit than when you were here a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 06, 2010, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 06, 2010, 04:32:20 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Thanks.  Good to hear from you also.  

You have a valid point and I agree.  Yet, also, that has already been happening the past several years.  Nonetheless, I think that can only potentially help the MIAA players get stronger.  In theory, it should, although admittedly that will not always happen and were a team to take that path, it most likely would take a few years to see the results - if they scheduled consistently (the latter has not really happened of recent though).

I dare say that some of the NAIA schools in Kentucky and Tennessee are very good teams and could beat many of the DIII teams including some of the upper tier DIII teams.  I never believed that a few years ago, however, after following a few of those from time to time of recent, I'm beginning to change my mind.

BTW, in reading over on your CCIW board, it appears that your IWU is further doing well and "reloading" for this season.  Are you planning on coming to the game at Hope this year (it is the first one of the season)?  If so, let me know and perhaps wer can hook up for dinner after the game  i.e. more time to visit than when you were here a couple of years ago.

I've got the Hope/IWU game on my calendar, but not sure.  I'll be going to Bloomington to the Homecoming game (my 40th reunion :o :() - not sure how traveling to TWO games in one season would fly with my wife! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 06, 2010, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 06, 2010, 04:32:20 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Thanks.  Good to hear from you also. 

You have a valid point and I agree.  Yet, also, that has already been happening the past several years.  Nonetheless, I think that can only potentially help the MIAA players get stronger.  In theory, it should, although admittedly that will not always happen and were a team to take that path, it most likely would take a few years to see the results - if they scheduled consistently (the latter has not really happened of recent though).

I dare say that some of the NAIA schools in Kentucky and Tennessee are very good teams and could beat many of the DIII teams including some of the upper tier DIII teams.  I never believed that a few years ago, however, after following a few of those from time to time of recent, I'm beginning to change my mind.

BTW, in reading over on your CCIW board, it appears that your IWU is further doing well and "reloading" for this season.  Are you planning on coming to the game at Hope this year (it is the first one of the season)?  If so, let me know and perhaps wer can hook up for dinner after the game  i.e. more time to visit than when you were here a couple of years ago.

The Ohio NAIA teams are not that strong IMHO!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2010, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 06, 2010, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 06, 2010, 04:32:20 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Thanks.  Good to hear from you also. 

You have a valid point and I agree.  Yet, also, that has already been happening the past several years.  Nonetheless, I think that can only potentially help the MIAA players get stronger.  In theory, it should, although admittedly that will not always happen and were a team to take that path, it most likely would take a few years to see the results - if they scheduled consistently (the latter has not really happened of recent though).

I dare say that some of the NAIA schools in Kentucky and Tennessee are very good teams and could beat many of the DIII teams including some of the upper tier DIII teams.  I never believed that a few years ago, however, after following a few of those from time to time of recent, I'm beginning to change my mind.

BTW, in reading over on your CCIW board, it appears that your IWU is further doing well and "reloading" for this season.  Are you planning on coming to the game at Hope this year (it is the first one of the season)?  If so, let me know and perhaps wer can hook up for dinner after the game  i.e. more time to visit than when you were here a couple of years ago.

The Ohio NAIA teams are not that strong IMHO!

Raider:

I can agree with you on that.  But also, as I mentioned, I do think that several of the KY and TN NAIA teams are strong teams.  Of course, the one out in Carroll, MT which has won the national championship is not all that bad either.


Mr. Ypsi:

I totally understand.  I hope you have a great time for your reunion there.  Nonetheless, keep me posted, and if by some chance you end up being able to sneak to the Hope/IWU game as well, we'll  try to work something out for a quick lunch or dinner visit either before or after the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 06, 2010, 11:10:30 PM
The article mentions Sienna Heights will join the Mid-States Football Association........that is a HUGE conference, 16 teams currently split into 2 divisions.


In its current format, the two division play each other once with the games counting in the standings.   Everyone gets one crossover game vs the other division, which doesn't count in the league standings.  This means at most Sienna will have 2 non-conference openings per season.......and it won't take long for Adrian/Sienna to hook up on the football field, thats a serious basketball rivalry complete with its own traveling trophy.


I would assume Sienna Heights would be in the Mid East League

Mid East League
Malone University Pioneers
Marian College (Indiana) Knights
Olivet Nazarene University Tigers
Saint Xavier University Cougars
Taylor University Trojans
Trinity International University Trojans
University of Saint Francis (Indiana) Cougars
Walsh University Cavaliers


Midwest League (MWL)
Grand View University Vikings
Iowa Wesleyan College Tigers
McKendree University Bearcats
Quincy University Hawks
St. Ambrose University Fighting Bees
University of Saint Francis (Illinois) Fighting Saints
Waldorf College Warriors
William Penn University Statesmen
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2010, 12:46:01 AM
Quote from: sac on May 06, 2010, 11:10:30 PM
The article mentions Sienna Heights will join the Mid-States Football Association........that is a HUGE conference, 16 teams currently split into 2 divisions.


In its current format, the two division play each other once with the games counting in the standings.   Everyone gets one crossover game vs the other division, which doesn't count in the league standings.  This means at most Sienna will have 2 non-conference openings per season.......and it won't take long for Adrian/Sienna to hook up on the football field, thats a serious basketball rivalry complete with its own traveling trophy.


I would assume Sienna Heights would be in the Mid East League

Mid East League
Malone University Pioneers
Marian College (Indiana) Knights
Olivet Nazarene University Tigers
Saint Xavier University Cougars
Taylor University Trojans
Trinity International University Trojans
University of Saint Francis (Indiana) Cougars
Walsh University Cavaliers


Midwest League (MWL)
Grand View University Vikings
Iowa Wesleyan College Tigers
McKendree University Bearcats
Quincy University Hawks
St. Ambrose University Fighting Bees
University of Saint Francis (Illinois) Fighting Saints
Waldorf College Warriors
William Penn University Statesmen


sac:

Indeed, that is a huge conference.  Some of those schools have been pretty strong teams, IMO, such as St. Francis (both the IL and IN ones), Olivet Nazarene on occasion, and even Marian IN has been improved despite being one of the new programs (former Rose-Hulman Head Coach and Northwestern i.e. Big Ten star Ted Karras - nephew of Detroit Lions great Alex) is the head coach there and has been building a pretty good program.  These schools, especially the St. Francis two and Olivet Nazaene (the latter of which has played MIAA and other DIII schools regularly in the past and beatne them handily, although Olivert IL hasn't been great of recent) are schools that I would consider among some of the upper tier of NAIA and certainly can beat and/or give DIII schools a tough time.  Some might even beat the weaker DII teams around the Midwest.  Nonetheless, it is neat to see some of these schools banding together to provide even more opportunities for college football for student-athletes (but, does that further delete the pool of talent and/or just provide parity in some instances as we've discussed ?????)

On the other hand, some of the other schools such as Quincy, Mckendree, IA Wesleyan, Wm Penn and St. AMbrose are pretty weak and, IMO, essentially are on par with some of the weaker DIII teams.

Don't forget that Notre Dame College in Ohio will be joining that league as well as Ohio Dominican I believe (or was Ohio Domincan going DII - on second thought, I think the latter is the scenario - I should check back on the OAC board regarding Capital's coach who left recently for that school ;D :-[ - it is very late so please forgive me!!), so it will become even larger.  

It will be interesting to see how some of this plays out as you mentioned and I agree that Adrian/Sienna Heights will become an intense rivalry most likely.  Also, I see Concordia-AA vs. Adrian and/or Sienna as one also.  As far as Finlandia, as we've discussed previously, I see them hooking up more with the Wisconsin and MN teams, although I think they will play an occasional game against some of the MIAA schools (and or quite possibly Northern MI or Mich Tech since they are close in distance especially Tech across the river - although those two DII teams would/will probably smash Finlandia ;D ::) :o ;)

Thanks for your good input.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2010, 08:23:50 AM
I think Mr Ypsi makes a very valid point about another scholarship offering program taking away some DIII players.  Michigan already has some very good DII schools that attract kids.  A ton of choices for a player to make.  The strength of the MIAA DIII schools has to be an excellent education, generous academic scholarships, and the opportunity to play football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2010, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2010, 08:23:50 AM
I think Mr Ypsi makes a very valid point about another scholarship offering program taking away some DIII players.  Michigan already has some very good DII schools that attract kids.  A ton of choices for a player to make.  The strength of the MIAA DIII schools has to be an excellent education, generous academic scholarships, and the opportunity to play football.

I wholeheartedly agree with you Uncle Rico.  The only problem is that these DIII schools are extremely expensive, although the MIAA schools are about $10,000 less than many of the DIII schools in OH and IN, etc.  As you point out, academic scholarships are available, yet, unfortunately, sometimes that is not even enough to assist parents.  As such, when their sons are offered the partial scholarships that the DII schools and the NAIA schools are able to provide along with the lesser tuition/R&B that those schools also have, that adds to the eventual choice for the latter in many instances , although obviously not all.  Unfortunately, it still comes down to $ many times in today's society - that's just the way it is.  On the other hand, sometimes parents and the student-athletes aren still able to find a way to attend the DIII school of their choice despite these conditions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 07, 2010, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 07, 2010, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2010, 08:23:50 AM
I think Mr Ypsi makes a very valid point about another scholarship offering program taking away some DIII players.  Michigan already has some very good DII schools that attract kids.  A ton of choices for a player to make.  The strength of the MIAA DIII schools has to be an excellent education, generous academic scholarships, and the opportunity to play football.

I wholeheartedly agree with you Uncle Rico.  The only problem is that these DIII schools are extremely expensive, although the MIAA schools are about $10,000 less than many of the DIII schools in OH and IN, etc.  As you point out, academic scholarships are available, yet, unfortunately, sometimes that is not even enough to assist parents.  As such, when their sons are offered the partial scholarships that the DII schools and the NAIA schools are able to provide along with the lesser tuition/R&B that those schools also have, that adds to the eventual choice for the latter in many instances , although obviously not all.  Unfortunately, it still comes down to $ many times in today's society - that's just the way it is.  On the other hand, sometimes parents and the student-athletes aren still able to find a way to attend the DIII school of their choice despite these conditions.


The D3 schools in Ohio are around $31-38K per year before any financial assistance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2010, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 07, 2010, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 07, 2010, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2010, 08:23:50 AM
I think Mr Ypsi makes a very valid point about another scholarship offering program taking away some DIII players.  Michigan already has some very good DII schools that attract kids.  A ton of choices for a player to make.  The strength of the MIAA DIII schools has to be an excellent education, generous academic scholarships, and the opportunity to play football.

I wholeheartedly agree with you Uncle Rico.  The only problem is that these DIII schools are extremely expensive, although the MIAA schools are about $10,000 less than many of the DIII schools in OH and IN, etc.  As you point out, academic scholarships are available, yet, unfortunately, sometimes that is not even enough to assist parents.  As such, when their sons are offered the partial scholarships that the DII schools and the NAIA schools are able to provide along with the lesser tuition/R&B that those schools also have, that adds to the eventual choice for the latter in many instances , although obviously not all.  Unfortunately, it still comes down to $ many times in today's society - that's just the way it is.  On the other hand, sometimes parents and the student-athletes aren still able to find a way to attend the DIII school of their choice despite these conditions.


The D3 schools in Ohio are around $31-38K per year before any financial assistance.

Raider68:

I think you are talking about the cost of tuition only.  Just about 4-8 years ago when we were taking our daughters around looking at colleges and universities, many of the OH (and some IN) DIII schools were $10,000 above the highest cost MIAA schools for total costs.  According to the current websites of the following schools, that still appears to be the situation and all of these figures I'm listing below include tuition, R&B, etc. :

1) Kenyon College - total cost $50,400
2) Case Western Reserve  - total cost $44,000
3) Ohio Wesleyan - total cost $45,674
4) Rose Hulman (IN) total cost $54,314
5) Hope College total cost $34,620
6) Olivet College (MI) total cost $26,000

Hope, Kazoo and Albion have traditionally had the highest total costs.  Olivet, while providing a very good education, is at the bottom i.e. lowest cost.  I did not check Trine or Kazoo, however, included the above two MIAA schools just to show the comparison as again, I know that Hope has been among the top 1-2 in the MIAA for many years.

The bottom line as we all know is that the cost of a college education is not inexpensive anymore (heck, it never really was if we really compare the different eras that our parents and we grew up in ;)).  In addition, while many of the DIII schools have some nice financial aid packages, it still is a tough challenge.  For example, on one of the above listed OH schools finanical aid/cost sections on their website, it mentioned that the average finanicial aid package awarded to students - which included all types of scholarships including community scholarships, etc.) was $27,000.  However, not everyone gets that "break"/opportunity i.e. while many do, there is at the same time a large number of families who do not qualify for such and end up paying the majority of those costs (believe me I know! ;D :P and regardless of what type of employment or career someone is in, I'm sure that most everyone will agree with me when I say that it still is not easy to fund the cost of a college education for one's son or daughter.  Moreover, we all know it is even more freightening and difficult, to say the least, for those students who do not have the privilege/luxery or whatever term one wishes to use (let's play semantics here ;D) of having some family assistance in that and thus have to do it all on their own.

I'm not complaining here, nor being critical, but rather just sharing all of the above information about financial costs as listed on the current websites of the above DIII schools for the purpose of our general discussion.  Also, in this context, I would just add, if I may, that even at the DIII level, recruiting for football student-athletes is just as intense as at other levels and we all know that besides having to "sell one's school" to prospective recruits (which of course, also depends on other factors that players are seeking i.e. academic curriculum for a specific desired career, the town, the campus, etc., etc.), the coaching staff in working with/in conjunction with the financial aid staff at any school has to try and see what the best financial aid package is for any family even though it is not an "athletic scholarship".  Without getting too much more into this philosophy regarding DIII vs DI or DII as far as athletic/academics (and all the factors that go along with someone choosing between those levels as far as their athletic careers if they have that choice), I'm sure most all of us would agree that those who are offered and choose a "full ride" (or partial ride at DII or DIAA uh, FCS I mean ;)) certainly are fortunate to have their education financed totally or in part.  Of course, that also applies to DIII for those receiving aid (although if it is in the form of loans as opposed to grants such as the athletic scholarships, that is a different situation per se and thus, those who receive the grants and don't have to pay back any of the $ are even more fortunate in that regard).  Just my opinion, but also, a worthwhile "off-season" discussion. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 08, 2010, 02:24:19 PM
Don't forget Olivet's reduced tuition program for students who choose to "commute", its a pretty significant reduction, 50% comes to mind but I've forgotten the true number.

13,000 vs 30,000+ in the rest of the MIAA is a pretty significant difference.


Albion and Kzoo are either pretty close or have gone over the $40,000 mark.



That 13,000 at Olivet is more than I paid for 1 year at Hope 20 years ago now....and thats crazy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
sac:

Indeed, that is crazy!  Calvin (non-football, of course) has been a little more than Olivet in the past, yet still is in the mid-'20's I believe (without having checked their website of recent).  As I recall, just a few years back i.e. within the last 10 or so, when Olivet was around $16,000 total, they were somewhere around $18,000 or slighly above.  I do not know if Calvin has a reduced benefit for commuters, although they do have a substantial amount of commuting students.

Also, I could be wrong, however, I think Hope will be going up slightly and be over $36,000 for the upcoming year.  And even though we are talking about total costs here for all the schools, that still doesn't really cover all the true costs as there is additional monies spent by the students for other activities at school extracurricular, of course ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2010, 10:14:01 PM
http://www.calvin.edu/prospective/tuition/

2010-2011 Academic Year

    * Tuition: $24,645
    * Room & Board: $8,525
    * Fees: $225
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 08, 2010, 11:12:00 PM
Another issue is that all these college costs come from after tax dollars from the parents.  If one assumes a 35%  total tax bracket then the income necessary to pay for one year of a D3 school whose total cost is $40,000 would be $61,500 before tax per year or almost $250,000 for four years.

Obviously student loans would ease the parents burden, but another issue is finding a good job in today's market given the investment for a BA degree. The student better chose the right major field of study! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on May 09, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Trine will run $33,900 this year all in (tuition, room, board, activity fees/parking, etc...).

Every year we get a letter defining the increase in tuition.  Our son will be a senior this fall.  I think Trine ran about $29,000 all in when he was a freshman. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 09, 2010, 03:08:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2010, 10:14:01 PM
http://www.calvin.edu/prospective/tuition/

2010-2011 Academic Year

    * Tuition: $24,645
    * Room & Board: $8,525
    * Fees: $225


Thanks Pat for checking on those #'s for us.  I knew that Calvin's was at least in the mid-'20's, although admittedly am surprised they are at the $33,000 range.  I guess we shouldn't be surprised at that as it is similar to Trine as LIR just shared with us and as all the schools have to keep up with increased costs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 09, 2010, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 08, 2010, 11:12:00 PM
Another issue is that all these college costs come from after tax dollars from the parents.  If one assumes a 35%  total tax bracket then the income necessary to pay for one year of a D3 school whose total cost is $40,000 would be $61,500 before tax per year or almost $250,000 for four years.

Obviously student loans would ease the parents burden, but another issue is finding a good job in today's market given the investment for a BA degree. The student better chose the right major field of study! :o

Excellent points Raider68.  Indeed, for the 4 years at many of the DIII schools now it is well over $200,000 (and just think how that is for those of us who had two kids going to DIII schools at the same time - ouch ::) :o :P ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 09, 2010, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on May 09, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Trine will run $33,900 this year all in (tuition, room, board, activity fees/parking, etc...).

Every year we get a letter defining the increase in tuition.  Our son will be a senior this fall.  I think Trine ran about $29,000 all in when he was a freshman.  

LIR:
Thanks for sharing that with us.  It puts Trine essentially "right in line" i.e. in the middle of the MIAA schools in regards to that as well as on the same average of annual increases in cost.

BTW, best wishes to your son as he enters his senior year.  That will be exciting for him as well as you as a family.  I'm sure that you will find that it seemed like it has passed by very quickly i.e. perhaps just "seems like yesterday" when he reported as a freshman to pre-season camp.  Of course, I'm sure you will agree with me when I say that "the end to the bleeding in insight for you and your wife i.e. the financial aspect for you  ;D.  At least I recall that feeling the past 1-3 years in regards to our own daughters!  Anyway I hope h has an enjoyable summer - this should be the "best "one - it was for me before entering my senior collegiate football year and and I wish him all the best for that as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 09, 2010, 03:31:54 PM
I forgot to mention awhile back that recent Alma College QB and graduate MacKenzie McGrady signed a pro football contract in Finland and is playing for the Lappeenranta team (American style football) in that European league.  It is my understanding he is already there after having graduated from Alma College last month at the school's annual spring graduation.  Congrats to McGrady.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 10, 2010, 07:49:29 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on May 09, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Trine will run $33,900 this year all in (tuition, room, board, activity fees/parking, etc...).

Every year we get a letter defining the increase in tuition.  Our son will be a senior this fall.  I think Trine ran about $29,000 all in when he was a freshman. 

When our son went to Mount, he received a reduction of his tuition for being a Legacy. A legacy is granted to students whose parents were prior graduates of the school. At that time,
it was about $3-4K reduction off tuition. Do the MIAA schools have the same program?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on May 10, 2010, 09:42:03 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 10, 2010, 07:49:29 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on May 09, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Trine will run $33,900 this year all in (tuition, room, board, activity fees/parking, etc...).

Every year we get a letter defining the increase in tuition.  Our son will be a senior this fall.  I think Trine ran about $29,000 all in when he was a freshman. 

When our son went to Mount, he received a reduction of his tuition for being a Legacy. A legacy is granted to students whose parents were prior graduates of the school. At that time,
it was about $3-4K reduction off tuition. Do the MIAA schools have the same program?

Kalamazoo has a legacy scholarship, however I am not sure how large it is. 

K's total cost is at $40,419.  There are relatively few full-pay students.  I enrolled at K in the fall of 1993. I believe total cost was $19,900.   Pretty amazing that's it doubled in that time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 10, 2010, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: Stinger on May 10, 2010, 09:42:03 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 10, 2010, 07:49:29 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on May 09, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Trine will run $33,900 this year all in (tuition, room, board, activity fees/parking, etc...).

Every year we get a letter defining the increase in tuition.  Our son will be a senior this fall.  I think Trine ran about $29,000 all in when he was a freshman. 

When our son went to Mount, he received a reduction of his tuition for being a Legacy. A legacy is granted to students whose parents were prior graduates of the school. At that time,
it was about $3-4K reduction off tuition. Do the MIAA schools have the same program?

Kalamazoo has a legacy scholarship, however I am not sure how large it is. 

K's total cost is at $40,419.  There are relatively few full-pay students.  I enrolled at K in the fall of 1993. I believe total cost was $19,900.   Pretty amazing that's it doubled in that time.

When we in western Michigan, we lived in Colony Woods, in Portage, Our son graduated from Portage Central HS, after his first 2 yrs in Ohio.  He had a few friends/classmates that went to K'zoo when he went to Mt. Union.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 10, 2010, 08:42:40 PM
Hope has an Alumni scholarship for students whose parents (and/or grandparents, etc.) went to Hope.  It is $5,000. 

Surprising that there are relatively few full-pay students at Kazoo.  I would have assumed that it would be otherwise.  I don't think it is that high of %'age at Hope, although I could be wrong (again, I will just add that for our two daughters, we paid near full, unfortunately for us! ;D (but in all seriousness, it was worth every penny).  While one could say that every school has few "full-pay" students and even though there are these "alumni" scholarships which aren't really that much (although certainly every "little bit" helps), one could make the arguement that is essentiall a full-pay or near full-pay as compared to those students who are lucky enough to get half- or more of the the tuition paid for through other scholarships, loans, grants-in-aid.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 10, 2010, 08:44:04 PM
Raider68:
Wow, "small world" as that saying goes.  One of my best/closest friends who I grew up with (and whose brother went to Hope being a couple of years ahead of me) lives in Portage and is a pediatrician there.  Great area.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 10, 2010, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 10, 2010, 08:44:04 PM
Raider68:
Wow, "small world" as that saying goes.  One of my best/closest friends who I grew up with (and whose brother went to Hope being a couple of years ahead of me) lives in Portage and is a pediatrician there.  Great area.

Former 3db,

We liked  Portage and the Western Michigan area, just a great area of the state, however Eastern Michigan is no great shakes at all.  The legacy scholarships are nice, but given the costs of these schools, it is relatively small.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2010, 05:05:08 PM
For anyone interested, link to Coach Bobbby Knights commencement speech at Trine University...

http://www.vimeo.com/11718142

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 16, 2010, 09:17:33 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2010, 05:05:08 PM
For anyone interested, link to Coach Bobbby Knights commencement speech at Trine University...

http://www.vimeo.com/11718142



From what I saw of it, it was a good speech! Bobby did not exactly dress for the occasion, but that is Bobby Knight!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on May 16, 2010, 12:36:37 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 16, 2010, 09:17:33 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2010, 05:05:08 PM
For anyone interested, link to Coach Bobbby Knights commencement speech at Trine University...

http://www.vimeo.com/11718142



From what I saw of it, it was a good speech! Bobby did not exactly dress for the occasion, but that is Bobby Knight!

Don't know about Coach Knight's sweater "look" but is sure easier on the eyes than his old Red/Black glen plaid sport coat - particularly if any of the newly-minted grads were suffering from pre-ceremony, bottle flu.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 16, 2010, 03:24:28 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on May 16, 2010, 12:36:37 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 16, 2010, 09:17:33 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2010, 05:05:08 PM
For anyone interested, link to Coach Bobbby Knights commencement speech at Trine University...

http://www.vimeo.com/11718142



From what I saw of it, it was a good speech! Bobby did not exactly dress for the occasion, but that is Bobby Knight!

Don't know about Coach Knight's sweater "look" but is sure easier on the eyes than his old Red/Black glen plaid sport coat - particularly if any of the newly-minted grads were suffering from pre-ceremony, bottle flu.  :D

Bobby Knight spoke to 300+ graduates. With today's job market, it would be interesting to know what majors these grad have. Not real close to Trine to know the school's best fields of study.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on May 17, 2010, 08:02:42 AM
Trine has a colleges of engineering, education, business, arts & sciences and professional studies.  Here's a link to the undergraduate degrees offered at Trine.

http://www.trine.edu/academics/undergraduate_majors/

Trine also offers Masters Degrees in Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Criminal Justice and Leadership.  They're also adding a Masters of Biomedical Engineering program this fall.

This was one of the reasons my son chose Trine - the ability to earn a degree in engineering vs. earning a BA degree with an "emphasis" in engineering.

Trine is #2 in the state of Indiana for their engineering program.  #1 is Purdue.  I can't speak for the other colleges nor do I know the breakdown of majors of the 300 graduates.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 17, 2010, 08:19:26 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on May 17, 2010, 08:02:42 AM
Trine has a colleges of engineering, education, business, arts & sciences and professional studies.  Here's a link to the undergraduate degrees offered at Trine.

http://www.trine.edu/academics/undergraduate_majors/

Trine also offers Masters Degrees in Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Criminal Justice and Leadership.  They're also adding a Masters of Biomedical Engineering program this fall.

This was one of the reasons my son chose Trine - the ability to earn a degree in engineering vs. earning a BA degree with an "emphasis" in engineering.

Trine is #2 in the state of Indiana for their engineering program.  #1 is Purdue.  I can't speak for the other colleges nor do I know the breakdown of majors of the 300 graduates.


Thanks for the info on Trine. Engineering has been one of those fields that the demand continues even in these tough times for recent college graduates.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 17, 2010, 06:39:34 PM
Without checking their website right now, as I recall, I believe that Rose-Hulman in Indiana offers an Engineering degree as well.  I recall that because my nephew (my brother's son) was looking at DIII (and some DII) schools that offered Engineering degrees and had football programs as well.  There aren't that many (or at least were not that many back then i.e. 5 years ago).  Morevover, the total cost at Rose-Hulman was over $41,000 at that time, so that was a deterant.  He was being recruited by DII Michigan Tech at the time, although in the end he chose to not continue his football career and went into journalism/writing, earning a degree in that field and graduated from the Univ of Mich (Ann Arbor) a year ago.  Go figure!  After doing an internship in NYC last year, he is still looking for a job (that market is tough as well) and is now moving out to California in hopes of latching onto an entry level position as a writer for one of the networks.

Anyway, it appears that there are a few more choices for Engineering degrees at DIII school now than there were a few years ago.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 17, 2010, 06:54:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 17, 2010, 06:39:34 PM
Without checking their website right now, as I recall, I believe that Rose-Hulman in Indiana offers an Engineering degree as well.  I recall that because my nephew (my brother's son) was looking at DIII (and some DII) schools that offered Engineering degrees and had football programs as well.  There aren't that many (or at least were not that many back then i.e. 5 years ago).  Morevover, the total cost at Rose-Hulman was over $41,000 at that time, so that was a deterant.  He was being recruited by DII Michigan Tech at the time, although in the end he chose to not continue his football career and went into journalism/writing, earning a degree in that field and graduated from the Univ of Mich (Ann Arbor) a year ago.  Go figure!  After doing an internship in NYC last year, he is still looking for a job (that market is tough as well) and is now moving out to California in hopes of latching onto an entry level position as a writer for one of the networks.

Anyway, it appears that there are a few more choices for Engineering degrees at DIII school now than there were a few years ago.



Former 3db,

Mount starts engineering this fall with majors in mechanical and electrical programs.  I am not sure how many other Ohio schools offer those programs, at least those who  in D3!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 20, 2010, 03:06:28 PM
Only 4 from the Lansing area headed to the MIAA so far, college choices seem to be very late this year across the board.  No positions listed, sorry.


Colin Kopke, Haslett -- Alma College
Ross Richard, Perry -- Alma College
Jacob Robinson, St. Johns -- Adrian College
Brett Pettit, Portland -- Adrian College

4 other locals are headed to D3, 3 to Defiance and 1 to Rose-Hulman with the awesome name of Joel Stiffler.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on May 20, 2010, 03:42:39 PM
Kalamazoo has a 3/2 engineering program that has formal partnerships with UM and Wash U.   I've seen some athletes at K complete the 3 years and leave after Jr year, but some will remain for their Sr. seasons.  That said, it's not a big major here by any means.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 21, 2010, 06:43:02 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on May 17, 2010, 08:02:42 AM
Trine also offers Masters Degrees in Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Criminal Justice and Leadership.  They're also adding a Masters of Biomedical Engineering program this fall.

The Criminal Justice program even has a competitive pistol shooting team, if I am not mistaken.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 21, 2010, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 17, 2010, 08:19:26 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on May 17, 2010, 08:02:42 AM
Trine has a colleges of engineering, education, business, arts & sciences and professional studies.  Here's a link to the undergraduate degrees offered at Trine.

http://www.trine.edu/academics/undergraduate_majors/

Trine also offers Masters Degrees in Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Criminal Justice and Leadership.  They're also adding a Masters of Biomedical Engineering program this fall.

This was one of the reasons my son chose Trine - the ability to earn a degree in engineering vs. earning a BA degree with an "emphasis" in engineering.

Trine is #2 in the state of Indiana for their engineering program.  #1 is Purdue.  I can't speak for the other colleges nor do I know the breakdown of majors of the 300 graduates.


Guys,
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 17, 2010, 08:19:26 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on May 17, 2010, 08:02:42 AM
Trine has a colleges of engineering, education, business, arts & sciences and professional studies.  Here's a link to the undergraduate degrees offered at Trine.

http://www.trine.edu/academics/undergraduate_majors/

Trine also offers Masters Degrees in Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Criminal Justice and Leadership.  They're also adding a Masters of Biomedical Engineering program this fall.

This was one of the reasons my son chose Trine - the ability to earn a degree in engineering vs. earning a BA degree with an "emphasis" in engineering.

Trine is #2 in the state of Indiana for their engineering program.  #1 is Purdue.  I can't speak for the other colleges nor do I know the breakdown of majors of the 300 graduates.


Thanks for the info on Trine. Engineering has been one of those fields that the demand continues even in these tough times for recent college graduates.
Thanks for the info on Trine. Engineering has been one of those fields that the demand continues even in these tough times for recent college graduates.

Guys,Thanks for the info on Trine! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 25, 2010, 10:00:51 PM
Former 3db,

What is the outlook for your alma mater this fall, how competitive will they be and any top recruits that may a diffence? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 29, 2010, 08:57:54 AM
Hope everyone has a safe and thoughtful Memorial Day Weekend! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: fanofall12 on May 31, 2010, 12:14:05 PM
two kids from Orchard Lake St mary's (state runner up in division III two of the last three years) will be playing in the MIAA
Phil Brimer- DT, 3 year letterman. He is going to Albion
Joe Kowalski- junior year starter at DT, senior year at right offensive tackle. Hi is going to Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 02, 2010, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: fanofall12 on May 31, 2010, 12:14:05 PM
two kids from Orchard Lake St mary's (state runner up in division III two of the last three years) will be playing in the MIAA
Phil Brimer- DT, 3 year letterman. He is going to Albion
Joe Kowalski- junior year starter at DT, senior year at right offensive tackle. Hi is going to Adrian.

Any summaries of recruits for the other MIAA schools for this fall?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on June 03, 2010, 06:27:52 PM
Lindy's ranked Trine #5 in their pre-season football poll.  The Sporting News has Trine ranked #20. 

http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=3301
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 04, 2010, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on June 03, 2010, 06:27:52 PM
Lindy's ranked Trine #5 in their pre-season football poll.  The Sporting News has Trine ranked #20. 

http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=3301

One poll for Trine is to high, the other may be too low at the pre-season. We see how it is mid- season and beyond! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on June 07, 2010, 09:09:02 PM
Raider says:  One poll for Trine is to high, the other may be too low at the pre-season. We see how it is mid- season and beyond! :-\

In your humble opinion, anyway... ;)

Shout out to Chris Greenwood of Albion.  Lindy's put Chris on their 2010 All-D3 First Team Defense.  Congratulations!  Nice to see an individual MIAA player recognized.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 07, 2010, 09:37:46 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on June 07, 2010, 09:09:02 PM
Raider says:  One poll for Trine is to high, the other may be too low at the pre-season. We see how it is mid- season and beyond! :-\

In your humble opinion, anyway... ;)

Shout out to Chris Greenwood of Albion.  Lindy's put Chris on their 2010 All-D3 First Team Defense.  Congratulations!  Nice to see an individual MIAA player recognized.

I guess polls are just what they are, opinions, some may be humble others not so much, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on June 14, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
The MIAA will have some coaches checking out the Sound Mind Sound Body Football Academy (http://www.soundmindsoundbodycamp.com/index.html) in Detroit this weekend. Adrian is sending three coaches, Hope and Olivet are sending two each.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 14, 2010, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: ziggy on June 14, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
The MIAA will have some coaches checking out the Sound Mind Sound Body Football Academy (http://www.soundmindsoundbodycamp.com/index.html) in Detroit this weekend. Adrian is sending three coaches, Hope and Olivet are sending two each.

Great, this board is waking up, Thanks ziggy! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on June 17, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 14, 2010, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: ziggy on June 14, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
The MIAA will have some coaches checking out the Sound Mind Sound Body Football Academy (http://www.soundmindsoundbodycamp.com/index.html) in Detroit this weekend. Adrian is sending three coaches, Hope and Olivet are sending two each.

Great, this board is waking up, Thanks ziggy! +k :)

Pretty sad if it takes a Calvin fan to wake up the board.
Here's to another undefeated season for the Knights!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 17, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
Quote from: ziggy on June 17, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 14, 2010, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: ziggy on June 14, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
The MIAA will have some coaches checking out the Sound Mind Sound Body Football Academy (http://www.soundmindsoundbodycamp.com/index.html) in Detroit this weekend. Adrian is sending three coaches, Hope and Olivet are sending two each.

Great, this board is waking up, Thanks ziggy! +k :)

Pretty sad if it takes a Calvin fan to wake up the board.
Here's to another undefeated season for the Knights!

I am unsure why the MIAA board is not more active. Maybe now, since there is at least one playoff team Trine and maybe another Adrian, it will begin to energize other fans/supporters. Since I lived in Michigan for 4 years, I became familiar many of the schools, but as a Mount alum and former player, I support the OAC. For a long time the most cosnsistent MIAA poster has been Former 3db, but he could use more posters! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 17, 2010, 04:46:12 PM
Here, you can look at the new football stadium improvements at Trine....

http://www.trine.edu/webcam/stadium2/index.htm

http://www.trine.edu/about_trine/campus_transformation/webcam/index.htm

http://www.trine.edu/about_trine/campus_transformation/ongoing_projects/


There are not a lot of new developments going on that the average MIAA poster has access to.  Our kids aren't in school now so we don't get football related news from them.  Many of us don't have pipe-lines directly to the coaches or administrations to hear their talk of recruits, etc...  I think also that a lot of us are busy right now trying to pay for our kids super education.   :)

I am sure that once there is more to talk about, and connections re-established, it will pick up.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 17, 2010, 05:06:48 PM
Ziggy, why doesn't Calvin have a football program?  Has it ever been considered?  It looks like their enrollment is over 2-3x that the other MIAA schools.  I understand their track program is very good.  Just curious. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 18, 2010, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 17, 2010, 04:46:12 PM
Here, you can look at the new football stadium improvements at Trine....

http://www.trine.edu/webcam/stadium2/index.htm

http://www.trine.edu/about_trine/campus_transformation/webcam/index.htm

http://www.trine.edu/about_trine/campus_transformation/ongoing_projects/


There are not a lot of new developments going on that the average MIAA poster has access to.  Our kids aren't in school now so we don't get football related news from them.  Many of us don't have pipe-lines directly to the coaches or administrations to hear their talk of recruits, etc...  I think also that a lot of us are busy right now trying to pay for our kids super education.   :)

I am sure that once there is more to talk about, and connections re-established, it will pick up.



Thanks for the update, maybe you can increase the interest and participation! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 20, 2010, 07:18:37 AM
To all those fathers out there, Happy Fathers Day! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 23, 2010, 12:57:38 PM
Where is Former 3db, must really be busy this summer? :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on June 24, 2010, 10:15:08 PM
I am SO ready for some football!  Who's with me???   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on June 24, 2010, 10:15:08 PM
I am SO ready for some football!  Who's with me???   ;D

I am SO ready for a nice, leisurely summer.  Who's with me?? ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 25, 2010, 01:53:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 24, 2010, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on June 24, 2010, 10:15:08 PM
I am SO ready for some football!  Who's with me???   ;D

I am SO ready for a nice, leisurely summer.  Who's with me?? ;D

Teams start football practice in the leisurely summer too, so you both are happy! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 28, 2010, 10:39:35 AM
Alma has been a 5-5 team for the past 3-4 years, is this the year they improve on that record? They face Heidleberg at home for the first game, can they win this? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on June 28, 2010, 10:51:17 AM
If Alma can find a couple players to get their "Scot Gun" offense rolling and step it up a little on defense they have a good chance to finish above .500.  McGrady will be tough to replace at quarterback, so I think the key to Alma next year is how well his replacement does.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 28, 2010, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on June 28, 2010, 10:51:17 AM
If Alma can find a couple players to get their "Scot Gun" offense rolling and step it up a little on defense they have a good chance to finish above .500.  McGrady will be tough to replace at quarterback, so I think the key to Alma next year is how well his replacement does.

Heidelberg will be a real test, since Coach Hallett has made great progress in the past few years to upgrade the program!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 02, 2010, 09:30:39 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 23, 2010, 12:57:38 PM
Where is Former 3db, must really be busy this summer? :o

I haven't forgotten about you guys!  Alot has been going on in my life recently both with work and family as well as that I have been out-of-town for about 10 days recently.  Thanks to you Raider68 and all our other friends here who have been keeping our MIAA board going (even though you are an OAC poster first! :)).

I'll post more in the near future, although will be gone another week for "one last vacation hurrah" for the summer before football starts.

Anyway, I wish you and everyone here a blessed, safe and enjoyable 4th of July holiday with your families.

Best,
Formerd3db

P.S.  BTW, thanks to Uncle Ric for the webcam links he posted regarding Trine's new football stadium improvements.  Looks great.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 02, 2010, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 17, 2010, 05:06:48 PM
Ziggy, why doesn't Calvin have a football program?  Has it ever been considered?  It looks like their enrollment is over 2-3x that the other MIAA schools.  I understand their track program is very good.  Just curious.  



Uncle Rico:

That is a long story (and sore point with some of our Calvin colleagues over on the basketball board ;D ::)).  We had a very extensive discussion about this last year on these boards so rather than revisit that here and stir up "old feelings" so to speak, if you would like to discuss this off-line on the personal message board, I will be glad to fill you in.   I know much about this from the front line sources.  Hope you are doing well and again, have a great 4th of July weekend.


Formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 02, 2010, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on June 28, 2010, 10:51:17 AM
If Alma can find a couple players to get their "Scot Gun" offense rolling and step it up a little on defense they have a good chance to finish above .500.  McGrady will be tough to replace at quarterback, so I think the key to Alma next year is how well his replacement does.

Just off hand without knowing the particulars of their recruiting class, I have to agree with you Diezel.  I envision them being as you say, unless they've really got some high talented recruits who can step right in as well as some of their letterman stepping up to take them back to the higher tier they were in 3-4 years ago and just before that.  They have that potential of exploding on anyone in both non-conference and in the MIAA, yet the last couple of years have sputtered at key opportune times -being varying in consistency as you noted about their record.  However, they are still a scary team to play anytime, IMO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 02, 2010, 11:12:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 02, 2010, 09:30:39 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 23, 2010, 12:57:38 PM
Where is Former 3db, must really be busy this summer? :o

I haven't forgotten about you guys!  Alot has been going on in my life recently both with work and family as well as that I have been out-of-town for about 10 days recently.  Thanks to you Raider68 and all our other friends here who have been keeping our MIAA board going (even though you are an OAC poster first! :)).

I'll post more in the near future, although will be gone another week for "one last vacation hurrah" for the summer before football starts.

Anyway, I wish you and everyone here a blessed, safe and enjoyable 4th of July holiday with your families.

Best,
Formerd3db

P.S.  BTW, thanks to Uncle Ric for the webcam links he posted regarding Trine's new football stadium improvements.  Looks great.



Former 3 db,

Great to hear from you, we'll get caught and get your take on the MIAA'a first games! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 02, 2010, 11:36:27 PM
Thanks Raider68!  BTW, if you haven't done so already, check your personal message board - I sent some follow-up to you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 03, 2010, 10:26:08 PM
Let us all Remember and Treasure what happen on July 4, 1776

Everyone have a safe and joyful Holiday! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 06, 2010, 08:19:28 AM
I see that Trine has a Thursday evening game at home against Manchester. Early non-Saturday starting games trend seems to growing! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 06, 2010, 08:38:36 AM
If opening weekend is also Labor Day weekend, teams are allowed to play Thursday night by Division III rule. Why the sad face?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometAlum on July 06, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
What would be considered an acceptable year for Hulkow at Olivet?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on July 06, 2010, 10:12:53 AM
Raider:

Trine has opened up the season 2 of the last 3 years playing at Manchester on Thursday night and now that Trine has installed lights on their field, they are now opening up on Thursday also.  I loved getting the chance to open the season before everyone else and playing under the lights is always fun!

Comet:

I think if Olivet gets 3-4 wins it will be an acceptable year. The players and coaches on the team, I'm sure, want to win more than that, but I think that is a good starting point to build momentum for next year and in the future.  And looking at their schedule from last year, they lost 5 games by 19+ points so another emphasis for the coaching staff is going to be playing closer, more competitive games, IMO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 06, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 06, 2010, 08:38:36 AM
If opening weekend is also Labor Day weekend, teams are allowed to play Thursday night by Division III rule. Why the sad face?

Maybe the trend has been there all along. I am not sure how many teams have a Thursday night opener, but  think night games are great early in the season!  I do not recall OAC teams playing many Thursday night games until this year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 06, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
This is the first time I can ever remember a full list of Hope College athletic recruits being listed in one place by the media for any sport.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x41620396/List-of-Hope-College-football-recruits

I'd cut and paste, but I guess the Sentinel has their high tech security guards on full alert and it won't let me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 06, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: sac on July 06, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
This is the first time I can ever remember a full list of Hope College athletic recruits being listed in one place by the media for any sport.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x41620396/List-of-Hope-College-football-recruits

I'd cut and paste, but I guess the Sentinel has their high tech security guards on full alert and it won't let me.

Over 50 recruits for Hope, Former 3 db should be elated! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 06, 2010, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: sac on July 06, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
This is the first time I can ever remember a full list of Hope College athletic recruits being listed in one place by the media for any sport.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x41620396/List-of-Hope-College-football-recruits

I'd cut and paste, but I guess the Sentinel has their high tech security guards on full alert and it won't let me.
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 06, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: sac on July 06, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
This is the first time I can ever remember a full list of Hope College athletic recruits being listed in one place by the media for any sport.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x41620396/List-of-Hope-College-football-recruits

I'd cut and paste, but I guess the Sentinel has their high tech security guards on full alert and it won't let me.

Over 50 recruits for Hope, Former 3 db should be elated! :)

sac:

Actually, the Flint Journal and the Detroit Free Press did it for all the MIAA schools (they featured one school each week while in other years they just listed the ecruits in columns like the daily scores for each school during others) for about 3-4 years many years ago (late 1970's and early 1980's), however, they have not done it for many years.  Yet, it is great to see that the Holland Sentinel has done it.

Raider68:

Yes, that is great news.  I don't recall the exact numbers the past two years, although I think the recruiting classes were slightly larger in number than this year's class - I will have to check on that with the coaches.  Yet, as we all know, there will be the usual attrition the first week of practice and even some right before then.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 06, 2010, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 06, 2010, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: sac on July 06, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
This is the first time I can ever remember a full list of Hope College athletic recruits being listed in one place by the media for any sport.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x41620396/List-of-Hope-College-football-recruits

I'd cut and paste, but I guess the Sentinel has their high tech security guards on full alert and it won't let me.
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 06, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: sac on July 06, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
This is the first time I can ever remember a full list of Hope College athletic recruits being listed in one place by the media for any sport.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x41620396/List-of-Hope-College-football-recruits

I'd cut and paste, but I guess the Sentinel has their high tech security guards on full alert and it won't let me.

Over 50 recruits for Hope, Former 3 db should be elated! :)

sac:

Actually, the Flint Journal and the Detroit Free Press did it for all the MIAA schools (they featured one school each week while in other years they just listed the ecruits in columns like the daily scores for each school during others) for about 3-4 years many years ago (late 1970's and early 1980's), however, they have not done it for many years.  Yet, it is great to see that the Holland Sentinel has done it.

Raider68:

Yes, that is great news.  I don't recall the exact numbers the past two years, although I think the recruiting classes were slightly larger in number than this year's class - I will have to check on that with the coaches.  Yet, as we all know, there will be the usual attrition the first week of practice and even some right before then.

Former 3 DB,

The key as we all know is how many freshman make it to graduation. It begins with that first year, maybe Hope can take advantage of a good recruiting year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 06, 2010, 11:28:47 PM
Raider68:

Indeed, that eventually becomes the bottom line.  I agree with you.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 06, 2010, 11:31:13 PM
Quote from: CometAlum on July 06, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
What would be considered an acceptable year for Hulkow at Olivet?


Quote from: Diezel1 on July 06, 2010, 10:12:53 AM
Raider:

Trine has opened up the season 2 of the last 3 years playing at Manchester on Thursday night and now that Trine has installed lights on their field, they are now opening up on Thursday also.  I loved getting the chance to open the season before everyone else and playing under the lights is always fun!

Comet:

I think if Olivet gets 3-4 wins it will be an acceptable year. The players and coaches on the team, I'm sure, want to win more than that, but I think that is a good starting point to build momentum for next year and in the future.  And looking at their schedule from last year, they lost 5 games by 19+ points so another emphasis for the coaching staff is going to be playing closer, more competitive games, IMO.

I think you are right on regarding Olivet Diezel.
ASlo, CometAlum - what is your own opinion to your own question.  BTW, welcome to the board and looking forward to your participation with us.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometAlum on July 07, 2010, 08:18:51 AM
I would say this, without trying to air dirty laundry, I personally know team moral was not were it should have been when classes ended. I talked to several would be seniors and the fire was not there during spring ball as the seniors before them was. Two, Hulkow has made some comments about recruiting that has made several people nervous. I do not think him and some of his staff realize what they are getting into. Third, they do not have the resources they once had. Heather Bateman, the A.D., has took over the whole wing that was used for football. There is not, at least back in May it wasn't, a designated film/meeting room anymore, most of the assistant coaches are cramped in a 10x20 office, and there was just a "gloomy" feeling when I last walked thru there. I still do not know if players even have a playbook to study. But, they did keep a good coach in Larry Smith and added Ryan VanDyke to the staff.

I still cannot get over the fact they past up on Mike Sparks as the head coach. I think with him at the helm they would have been in the mix of things.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 08, 2010, 12:11:10 AM
CometAlum:
Thanks for your personal evaluation of the situation.  I have to agree with you that, IMO, Mike Sparks would have been a great head coach and I would have liked to see him get that chance.  It is too bad if the sitauation at Olivet is as you say, however, I guess all that can be done at this time is to give the new head coach and his staff a chance.  With the coaches they did retain, perhaps that will be enough to sustain some stability there.

I will say this, however, that indeed making the change from high school coaching to the collegiate level - regardless of what level/tier i.e. DI, DII or DIII - is not a forgone conclusion of being an easy change/transition - even for the best of high school coaches.  It is an entirely different atmosphere - even at the DIII level.  If Hulkow doesn't produce after a fair and adequate amount of time (say 4-5 seasons or so), I would think he will be gone.  I hope that your Olivet will not revert back to the doldrums which they experienced for years.  Other than the 0-10 year that occurred last year, I believed they had come a very long way in the last decade or so as a competitive program with much potential.  Anyway, time will tell obviously.  Let's hope for the best.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometAlum on July 08, 2010, 09:03:08 AM
Being on the inside I can see why we went 1-19 the last two seasons. I do not know if people on the outside understood what happend. It goes back to the 2007 season (championship year). Many of our number 2's were junoirs who backed up all conference players and did not get a lot of PT. Such as WR's and TE's, we lost just almost all of our O-Line, all of our D-line. We lost two young RB's, ( Jackson & Jones)who got a lot of PT that year and a potential Senior QB. We lost that entire freshman class (all but 3, who will be seniors now) and two seniors due to personal issues. So the team that has been fielded the last two seasons was fairly young, I beleive we started and played more freshamn than any other team. If we did not lose some of those guys or if the others had more playing time earlier in thier careers I truly think we could have repeated as conference champs and been very competitive last season as well.

As a Comet, I want them to do well, but I'm just not sold on the fact on the coaching decsion that was made.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on July 08, 2010, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: CometAlum on July 08, 2010, 09:03:08 AM
Being on the inside I can see why we went 1-19 the last two seasons. I do not know if people on the outside understood what happend. It goes back to the 2007 season (championship year). Many of our number 2's were junoirs who backed up all conference players and did not get a lot of PT. Such as WR's and TE's, we lost just almost all of our O-Line, all of our D-line. We lost two young RB's, ( Jackson & Jones)who got a lot of PT that year and a potential Senior QB. We lost that entire freshman class (all but 3, who will be seniors now) and two seniors due to personal issues. So the team that has been fielded the last two seasons was fairly young, I beleive we started and played more freshamn than any other team. If we did not lose some of those guys or if the others had more playing time earlier in thier careers I truly think we could have repeated as conference champs and been very competitive last season as well.

As a Comet, I want them to do well, but I'm just not sold on the fact on the coaching decsion that was made.

CometAlum: I am wondering whether the situation which you describe is actually fairly common with dIII teams trying to establish their programs as consistant winners. You bring in a TON of freshman, but when they don't play right away for whatever reason, they may drop out of football. Then if you happen to have a year where the team is top-heavy with seniors, you may have short-term success, but struggle in following seasons because younger players either don't get groomed with playing time (as you seem to indicate happened at Olivet in their championship year) or just get tired of waiting and quit. Suddenly you are relying on freshman and sophomores and that just doesn't work in college football. This sounds like the situation which you describe as what happened at Olivet.

It is a skillful coach who can keep a core of younger players in the program while they're not seeing much playing time so that they're still around for their junior and senior years. One thing that I think a coach does to help themselves is to: a) recruit kids who may attend that school even if they weren't playing football, and b) create an atmosphere where the players like to be at the school and be part of the team regardless of whether they play alot as underclassmen.

Two questions for CometAlum, formerd3db, or anyone else who may have insight into a MIAA football:
1) How much is having a junior varsity schedule is helpful to keep younger players interested in sticking around in a program.

2) What is a rough percentage of freshman who come into an MIAA program that are still around as sophomores from year to year? juniors? seniors?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 08, 2010, 12:34:22 PM
"Two questions for CometAlum, formerd3db, or anyone else who may have insight into a MIAA football:
1) How much is having a junior varsity schedule is helpful to keep younger players interested in sticking around in a program. "

If the school desires to have a growing, successful program, then a JV program and defined schedule is vital to retain interest and groom players. As a note Mount's JV's play a 9-10 game schedule!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometAlum on July 09, 2010, 07:19:31 AM
I think it can be very helpful to have a JV schedual. You can, as I like to say, guesstimate what your talant will be like in two years (maybe sooner for certain players). But there are a couple of problems, first, the evaluation comes against competition that isn't "developed" yet. They are the same as they are just with a diffrent color jersey( assuming they are not transfers from DI orDII). .Second, there just aren't enough coaches to coach 85+ players. Most MIAA programs have aporox. 9-10 coaches. I cannot speak for other schools, but outside of installation (class) many underclassman do not get proper coaching due to lack of coaches. Third, they are used as the scout team and do not get run thru the plays they need to know, but are trying to recreate what the next opponets is doing. So kids get fustrated when they are either not playing, getting quality reps, or getting any snaps during practice. It gets especially difficult when schools are not winning because the young players feel they could do better.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on July 09, 2010, 09:19:58 AM
It is very difficult to keep younger guys around for all four years.  At Trine, we would bring in 80+ freshmen a year and maybe 10-15 stay for their senior year.  Numerous players drop out during camp because "college football is not for them" or various other reasons.  Also, kids transfer or flat out fail out of school.  Serious injuries also occur, which you can never account for.  But, playing a JV schedule is important because it gives these kids a chance to play against other teams and get a chance to show they can play.  I'm not sure how it works at other schools, but our coaches did film JV games and did watch it to evaluate those players.  Our coaches kept the play calling at the JV level simple so that everyone who does play should know those plays.  I think success of the program is the overall key to keeping more freshmen for all four years.  Winning solves a lot of problems.  But, like CometAlum said, if the team is struggling younger players get upset because they feel like they can do better than who is playing and that can force people to leave
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 09, 2010, 09:36:22 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on July 09, 2010, 09:19:58 AM
It is very difficult to keep younger guys around for all four years.  At Trine, we would bring in 80+ freshmen a year and maybe 10-15 stay for their senior year.  Numerous players drop out during camp because "college football is not for them" or various other reasons.  Also, kids transfer or flat out fail out of school.  Serious injuries also occur, which you can never account for.  But, playing a JV schedule is important because it gives these kids a chance to play against other teams and get a chance to show they can play.  I'm not sure how it works at other schools, but our coaches did film JV games and did watch it to evaluate those players.  Our coaches kept the play calling at the JV level simple so that everyone who does play should know those plays.  I think success of the program is the overall key to keeping more freshmen for all four years.  Winning solves a lot of problems.  But, like CometAlum said, if the team is struggling younger players get upset because they feel like they can do better than who is playing and that can force people to leave


If Trine is a good model for MIAA, then the other programs need to build on that approach. Many other schools have used the Mount Union strategy and have been successful! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on July 15, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
What is the scoop on Hope College for the coming season...Do they return many starters and what about the recruiting class?

I have a daughter there and was able to attend the Hope Wheaton game last year...and listened to a couple games online...was a very tough season for them...

They had to be the best 0-5 team in the country at that point as they played Wheaton very well until late in the game...it seemed to just get away from them...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 15, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on July 15, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
What is the scoop on Hope College for the coming season...Do they return many starters and what about the recruiting class?

I have a daughter there and was able to attend the Hope Wheaton game last year...and listened to a couple games online...was a very tough season for them...

They had to be the best 0-5 team in the country at that point as they played Wheaton very well until late in the game...it seemed to just get away from them...


Former 3db is a regular poster on this board. He is also a Hope alum and former player, so he is most knowledgeable about Hope! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on July 09, 2010, 09:19:58 AM
It is very difficult to keep younger guys around for all four years.  At Trine, we would bring in 80+ freshmen a year and maybe 10-15 stay for their senior year.  

Trine will have 25+ seniors this year, if I am not mistaken.  I remember during Coach Lands first season there were only about 6-8 seniors.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on July 17, 2010, 10:24:37 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on July 09, 2010, 09:19:58 AM
It is very difficult to keep younger guys around for all four years.  At Trine, we would bring in 80+ freshmen a year and maybe 10-15 stay for their senior year.  

Trine will have 25+ seniors this year, if I am not mistaken.  I remember during Coach Lands first season there were only about 6-8 seniors.  

Actually Uncle Rico, I don't think we even had 6 seniors that year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 17, 2010, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on July 09, 2010, 09:19:58 AM
It is very difficult to keep younger guys around for all four years.  At Trine, we would bring in 80+ freshmen a year and maybe 10-15 stay for their senior year. 

Trine will have 25+ seniors this year, if I am not mistaken.  I remember during Coach Lands first season there were only about 6-8 seniors. 

How many of those Trine seniors are starters and/or part of the 2-deep depth chart? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2010, 08:28:48 PM
 How many of those Trine seniors are starters and/or part of the 2-deep depth chart? :-\
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Just based on last years roster, my guesstimate is that there may be at least 9 starters this season that will be seniors (they were starters last year as juniors).  It looks like there may be at least 8 starters that will be juniors (they were starters last year as sophomores).  

The coaching staff does not bother to consult me (smart move on their part   :) ), so I am not too up to date on the depth charts.  They have been attracting some very good players and it is possible some underclassmen could crack the starting lineup.  This will be the most experienced team that Trine has had since I have been following them.  

On a side note, their preseason rankings are anywhere from #5 to #22.  They finished #17 last year and I think this team will be even better, for whatever that is worth, based on the specific players that are returning and their experience level.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 17, 2010, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2010, 08:28:48 PM
How many of those Trine seniors are starters and/or part of the 2-deep depth chart? :-\

Just based on last years roster, my guesstimate is that there may be at least 9 starters this season that will be seniors (they were starters last year as juniors).  It looks like there may be at least 8 starters that will be juniors (they were starters last year as sophomores).   

The coaching staff does not bother to consult me (smart move on their part   :) ), so I am not too up to date on the depth charts.  They have been attracting some very good players and it is possible some underclassmen could crack the starting lineup.  This will be the most experienced team that Trine has had since I have been following them. 

On a side note, their preseason rankings are anywhere from #5 to #22.  They finished #17 last year and I think this team will be even better, for whatever that is worth, based on the specific players that are returning and their experience level.


[/quote]

Some schools publish 2-deep charts as part of the normal season summaries. I did not see one for Trine, so I asked the question.

Thanks for your response! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on July 18, 2010, 04:29:48 PM
Trine has 28 seniors returning this fall.  We also have 8 starters returning on each side of the ball.  This doesn't mean 8 seniors on each side of the ball (which is always a possiblity), but 8 starters.  Like Uncle Rico I'm not privy to the depth chart info, especially since I'm sure it has not been established at this time.  You never know what will happen during camp that will affect the depth chart - what freshman have been recruited?  Who really stepped it up during the offseason?  Etc...  You just never know.  Trine players return to campus on 8/10 and their first game is on Thursday, 9/2 vs. Manchester College at home (7:30 PM kickoff). 

I also agree with Uncle Rico that the Trine team this fall will likely be the best team Coach Land & his staff have fielded yet.  It's going to be another exciting year and I'll be at every game to watch.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 18, 2010, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on July 18, 2010, 04:29:48 PM
Trine has 28 seniors returning this fall.  We also have 8 starters returning on each side of the ball.  This doesn't mean 8 seniors on each side of the ball (which is always a possiblity), but 8 starters.  Like Uncle Rico I'm not privy to the depth chart info, especially since I'm sure it has not been established at this time.  You never know what will happen during camp that will affect the depth chart - what freshman have been recruited?  Who really stepped it up during the offseason?  Etc...  You just never know.  Trine players return to campus on 8/10 and their first game is on Thursday, 9/2 vs. Manchester College at home (7:30 PM kickoff).  

I also agree with Uncle Rico that the Trine team this fall will likely be the best team Coach Land & his staff have fielded yet.  It's going to be another exciting year and I'll be at every game to watch.



So this fall should be a great one for Trine, best chance to win the conference, maybe get into the later rounds of the playoffs and most important, build  for the future. With that many senior starters, the key will be to get their back-ups some PT. :) +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 19, 2010, 04:42:22 PM
Hello colleagues.  I have been away on vacation the past 9-10 days with no access to a computer (which is good in some aspects ;) I'm sure most of you will agree with me on that).  Anyway, great discussions and comments all of you.  Some of the best our board has had in a long time, particularly for the off-season/pre-season time period.

Anyway, I'll just try to reply i.e. add my perspective to some of the questions/issues you all discussed and asked, although you all covered it quite well IMO.

RF and CometAlum had some great insight into the JV programs.  I agree that those are essential to having a good solid program, espescially in this era for the DIII programs (and perhaps some DII's if they have those).  It is almost as if college football has gone back to this idea, similar to what the "big-time" DI schools used to do when freshmen were not eligible for varsity play.  As you all have said, it does provide some playing time for the underclassmen, some "live-lay" if you will, so they don't become complacent during the "hum -drum" of practice curing the course of the season when they are not getting any PT during the varsity games.  Moreover, coaches do evaluate players during those games - I know at several schools that players are told that if they do well during those games, it can provide a steppingpstone opportunity for them to make the traveling squad, for example on special teams and/or s a back-up - this is particularly important when injuries occur.  The younger players need to be ready to "step-up" as their opportunity may be only one play away dure to an injury - obvivously no one wishes that for anyone ahead of them at their position, yet we all know that injures are naturally inherent to the game.

The one aspect, which you all pointed out as well, is that on the ohter hand, underclassmen can become disappointed in not making that step up to the varsity druing those first two years.  While the JV program serves a great purpose, certainly if one doesn't get some PT at least on special teams by their junior year, IMO, they need to re-evaluate their situation and decide if they really want to continue or not.  For some, that is not a problem because they love the game, want to be a part of the team, and deep down, they know that some of their fomrer hs teammates don't even get the opportunity they had.  Other reasons, as has been mentioned, are that some players (yes, even the top ones in some cases) get tired and decide they just don't want to devote their extra time to playing football - and...there is nothing wrong with that if one makes such a decsion.  Yet, for those that stay, even if one never becomes a starter, there can be lasting memories in many ways - I know many people who feel that way about their careers when they look back on those.  I guess it comes down tomaking your own decision.  I know for me, I loved the college game and was determined to stick it out for myself for all four years no matter what.  Fortunately, it turned out wonderful for me, for which I am very grateful, humbled and feel blessed.

One final aspect I might add is again related to the injury aspect.  I know that can certainly be a problem for some JV programs.  When some of those players get injured, it can put a crunch on the varisty team in some situations - an example is I recall one years in recent years at one of the MIAA schools, varsity starters on the offensive and defensive lines got injured and when they needed to go to some of the underclassmen for those positions, they didn't have enough because of injuries there - and that also affected the JV program having to be canclled to preserved "bodies" for the varisty.  Yet again, if one's school has well-over the "100's" coming out for the team with big recruiting classes as has been mentioned, that tends not to be a problem overall, with the exception of the bad-luck situatioan it is for those individuals who get hurt on JV (if that makes sense ??? ::) :)).

So in summary, I agree with all of you that a JV program is essential to the majortiy of the DIII programs - exception would be some of the smallest DIII schools who are only able to field under a hundred anyway.

P.S. Having been away, I haven't had a chance to "get the scoop" on HOpe's incoming class and/or visions for the upcoming season - I did tact a couple of coaches but we haven't connected as yet.  When I do, I'll try to post csome comments here.  But to answer the one question that was asked by DadoBash, I will say that the past two years of 3-7 has not been charactersitic of Hope College Football - at last no since the '70's overall.  You have to go back before then to find some of the less achieving teams as far as the W-L column.  Up until the Ray Smith era, Hope's overall all-time record was under .500.  Hopefully 9pun intented ;D) this season will see a return to the winning ways.  Of course, we shall see if that is to occur.

Sorry for the long post, but I guess I made up for my abseenteeism! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 19, 2010, 04:53:58 PM
CometAlum:

Thanks for the "inside info" as to what some of the challenges and problems were at your Olivet the past couple of years.  Many people were wondering as you said as to why your team didn't repeat a champs or at least be right up there consistently thereafter.  Personally, from what I know (and now in addition to what you shared with us), I don't think it was all the fault of the coaching staff.

As I'm sure you know, Olivet has had a history of "the problem of retention" of players - this goes way back to my own era in the MIAA.  I had several friends from high school (both some of my own former h.s. teammates and those who we played against) go on to play for Olivet.  They'd bring in big freshman classes (50 or so), however, those students would be gone in two years and they had to start all over again.  Part of the problem/challenge was no stability in the coaching staff- changing head coaches and assistant coaches often doesn't help.  Part of it was also perhaps the type of students the college was trying to attract - of course, tremendous strides have been made in the past two decades at Olivet as you well know with regards to the academic programs and, certainly the athletic programs as well.

All that being said, when you have players opting out for a variety of reasons as you mention (whether personal issues, academic issues and/or the playing time aspects) that obviously has a negative affect on everyone, regardless of how much effort both the players and coaching staff are giving.  Anyway, hopefully, Olivet can make some major improvement this year, although as you mentioned previously, if they win 3-4 games, IMO, that will be a very good start/step in the right direction.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 19, 2010, 10:11:33 PM
Do all the MIAA schools have football JV teams, and how many games do they play each year?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAAalum on July 21, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
Any thoughts on Alma's OC - Leister's son leaving Ferris St. to come run the Scotgun?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 23, 2010, 06:10:27 PM
This board is so quiet given that summer camp for most teams is only 4 weeks away! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2010, 12:48:29 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 19, 2010, 10:11:33 PM
Do all the MIAA schools have football JV teams, and how many games do they play each year?

I believe all have JV teams except Kazoo, the latter due to their low roster #'s.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2010, 12:49:18 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 23, 2010, 06:10:27 PM
This board is so quiet given that summer camp for most teams is only 4 weeks away! :o

We'll try to start getting this "reved up"!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2010, 12:56:29 AM
Quote from: MIAAalum on July 21, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
Any thoughts on Alma's OC - Leister's son leaving Ferris St. to come run the Scotgun?

I hadn't heard that, but, indeed interesting.  Nothing is posted yet on the Alma football website, although it appears their SID is currently working on it as their is a partial 2010 roster being posted.  Also interesting is the fact that 1/2 of Alma's coaching staff will be new this year it appears.  Several recently graduated former players have been added to the staff - quite a larger # than usual for a turnover in staff which happens periodically/frequently at any small school, yet a great opportunity for the young coaches.

Speaking of the Alma area itself, I heard today that one of it's town doctors (he is NOT the College's team physician) is one of 4 persons (including the high school's superintendent) missing lost in Lake Michigan in a small plane crash this AM.  They were on their way to the Mayo Clinic where the superintendent was being treated for cancer according to the TV reports this evening.  The only survivor is the pilot, the others are missing and presumed dead.  A very tragic happening and my thought and prayers go out to the families of those missing.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 24, 2010, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 24, 2010, 12:49:18 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 23, 2010, 06:10:27 PM
This board is so quiet given that summer camp for most teams is only 4 weeks away! :o

We'll try to start getting this "reved up"!

Anyone know the conditioning protocol among the MIAA teams going into summer camp? Are they all much the same or does one school put the players through a more rigorous program? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2010, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 24, 2010, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 24, 2010, 12:49:18 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 23, 2010, 06:10:27 PM
This board is so quiet given that summer camp for most teams is only 4 weeks away! :o

We'll try to start getting this "reved up"!

Anyone know the conditioning protocol among the MIAA teams going into summer camp? Are they all much the same or does one school put the players through a more rigorous program? :-\

Raider68:

I can only relate a little bit about this currently and in a more general sense on some other aspects.  I don't doubt that each school has a pretty rigourous program, just perhaps some variences.  In other tangential aspects, I know that at Alma, for a long time, they have held some of the practices in the evening when it was cooler (although in some recent years, the weather patterns have changed so that it is even hotter and more humid after 5 PM until mid-evening as we all know).  I believe all of them still have meetings at night as well and that still makes for a long day (as we all recall ;)).  At Hope, during the second week, it is mandetory that freshman players be excused for some orientation and setting up classes and other aspects, testing, etc. whenever those days occur.  As you mentioined, perhaps some of our colleagues here can expound on more detail as to what the current protocol is at their alma maters and/or their son's schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 24, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
What MIAA team will have the toughest opener this fall?  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 25, 2010, 12:00:32 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 24, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
What MIAA team will have the toughest opener this fall?  :-\

I'd like to say Hope, since they open against my Titans, but I think they are somewhat trumped by Adrian, who opens at UW-Whitewater! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 25, 2010, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 25, 2010, 12:00:32 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 24, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
What MIAA team will have the toughest opener this fall?  :-\

I'd like to say Hope, since they open against my Titans, but I think they are somewhat trumped by Adrian, who opens at UW-Whitewater! ;)

Yeah, Mr. Ypsi, I'd have to agree with that one. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 25, 2010, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 25, 2010, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 25, 2010, 12:00:32 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 24, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
What MIAA team will have the toughest opener this fall?  :-\

I'd like to say Hope, since they open against my Titans, but I think they are somewhat trumped by Adrian, who opens at UW-Whitewater! ;)

Yeah, Mr. Ypsi, I'd have to agree with that one. :)


Mr. Ypsi,

If Adrian can hold UWW to under 3 TD's, they should consider it a good showing! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 11:29:11 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 25, 2010, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 25, 2010, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 25, 2010, 12:00:32 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 24, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
What MIAA team will have the toughest opener this fall?  :-\

I'd like to say Hope, since they open against my Titans, but I think they are somewhat trumped by Adrian, who opens at UW-Whitewater! ;)

Yeah, Mr. Ypsi, I'd have to agree with that one. :)


Mr. Ypsi,

If Adrian can hold UWW to under 3 TD's, they should consider it a good showing! ;D

not only that...but they would be in position to win the game if they hold UWW to under 3 TD's!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:39:53 AM
With due respect to Whitewater

Week 1 Butler at Albion   FCS ( ::)) vs D3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
I think the bigger question, on Dutchmen minds anyway, is will Hope win a non-conference game this year?

ILL. WESLEYAN
@ Wis-Lutheran
@ Millikin
LAKELAND

Hope has lost 21 straight regular season non-conference games, and 23 in a row including playoffs.

Its got to end this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
I think the bigger question, on Dutchmen minds anyway, is will Hope win a non-conference game this year?

ILL. WESLEYAN
@ Wis-Lutheran
@ Millikin
LAKELAND

Hope has lost 21 straight regular season non-conference games, and 23 in a row including playoffs.

Its got to end this year.

Wis-Lutheran will be a winable game...they aren't too strong.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 26, 2010, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
I think the bigger question, on Dutchmen minds anyway, is will Hope win a non-conference game this year?

ILL. WESLEYAN
@ Wis-Lutheran
@ Millikin
LAKELAND

Hope has lost 21 straight regular season non-conference games, and 23 in a row including playoffs.

Its got to end this year.

Wis-Lutheran will be a winable game...they aren't too strong.

I believe Lakeland is the same team that UWW met in first round of last year's playoffs. There were in the game for awhile against UWW.

Hope may need Formerd3db to come back and help them, so they can win that non-conference game this seaaon! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 12:22:40 PM
Quote from: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 26, 2010, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
I think the bigger question, on Dutchmen minds anyway, is will Hope win a non-conference game this year?

ILL. WESLEYAN
@ Wis-Lutheran
@ Millikin
LAKELAND

Hope has lost 21 straight regular season non-conference games, and 23 in a row including playoffs.

Its got to end this year.

Wis-Lutheran will be a winable game...they aren't too strong.

I believe Lakeland is the same team that UWW met in first round of last years's  playoff. There were in the game for awhile against UWW.

Hope may need Formerd3db to come back and help them, so they can win that non-conference game this seaaon! ;D

Raider 68 - you're joking, right?  ;)  That was a 70-7 game (all within 3 quarters).  I'm not sure anybody could put that kind of a positive spin on that game. Lakeland had 7 first downs for the entire game. I witnessed it...it was over before it started.

well the score was 7-7 midway through the first quarter. then the game got ugly from there on out. so if "for a while" he meant the first 7 minutes, then yes they were in it  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 26, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 12:22:40 PM
Quote from: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 26, 2010, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
I think the bigger question, on Dutchmen minds anyway, is will Hope win a non-conference game this year?

ILL. WESLEYAN
@ Wis-Lutheran
@ Millikin
LAKELAND

Hope has lost 21 straight regular season non-conference games, and 23 in a row including playoffs.

Its got to end this year.

Wis-Lutheran will be a winable game...they aren't too strong.

I believe Lakeland is the same team that UWW met in first round of last years's  playoff. There were in the game for awhile against UWW.

Hope may need Formerd3db to come back and help them, so they can win that non-conference game this seaaon! ;D

Raider 68 - you're joking, right?  ;)  That was a 70-7 game (all within 3 quarters).  I'm not sure anybody could put that kind of a positive spin on that game. Lakeland had 7 first downs for the entire game. I witnessed it...it was over before it started.

well the score was 7-7 midway through the first quarter. then the game got ugly from there on out. so if "for a while" he meant the first 7 minutes, then yes they were in it  ;D

Bobo, 02 Warhawk.

I am kidding  ;D , but it got your attention! Hope will have a chance against Lakeland! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
The sad part about that game is it had to be a playoff game. You couldn't help but feel bad for the Muskies -- they had no answer for anything the Warhawks did that day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
The sad part about that game is it had to be a playoff game. You couldn't help but feel bad for the Muskies -- they had no answer for anything the Warhawks did that day.

but those first 7:00 were a bit shocking. we scored on a long TD pass on the first posssion...then Lakeland got the ball back and drove right down the field on us to tie the game up. It was an impressive drive...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on July 26, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
The sad part about that game is it had to be a playoff game. You couldn't help but feel bad for the Muskies -- they had no answer for anything the Warhawks did that day.

but those first 7:00 were a bit shocking. we scored on a long TD pass on the first posssion...then Lakeland got the ball back and drove right down the field on us to tie the game up. It was an impressive drive...

Agreed, the 11 play drive was a bit shocking -- but UWW scoring 2 more TD's in about 5 minutes, making it 3 for the first quarter and the Muskies needing 4 more possessions to run another 11 plays kind of took the luster off of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: short on July 26, 2010, 01:04:44 PM
I was looking at other MIAA non-league games and I noticed Olivet's 2010 Schedule:
Week 1 Wittenberg
Week 2 Elmhust
Week 3 North Central
Week 4 Wheaton
Week 5 Bye

Hopefully they can get past Bye without a loss too. ;-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 26, 2010, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:39:53 AM
With due respect to Whitewater

Week 1 Butler at Albion   FCS ( ::)) vs D3

I saw that game listed, but thought I remembered from here that Butler was really, really bad.  I don't follow them - have they gotten better than d3 top 25?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: short on July 26, 2010, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 26, 2010, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:39:53 AM
With due respect to Whitewater

Week 1 Butler at Albion   FCS ( ::)) vs D3

I saw that game listed, but thought I remembered from here that Butler was really, really bad.  I don't follow them - have they gotten better than d3 top 25?

They were 11-1 last season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 26, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: short on July 26, 2010, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 26, 2010, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: sac on July 26, 2010, 11:39:53 AM
With due respect to Whitewater

Week 1 Butler at Albion   FCS ( ::)) vs D3

I saw that game listed, but thought I remembered from here that Butler was really, really bad.  I don't follow them - have they gotten better than d3 top 25?

They were 11-1 last season

Like I said, I don't follow them - but I stand corrected!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on July 26, 2010, 08:33:25 PM
Raider,

I do know the coaches at Trine hold a run test to see if returners followed the summer workout.  And it was not easy
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 26, 2010, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on July 26, 2010, 08:33:25 PM
Raider,

I do know the coaches at Trine hold a run test to see if returners followed the summer workout.  And it was not easy

I thought having the mile run test the first day was a smart technique and I trained to be able to do it. Good conditioning has so many positive effects on the players and it makes the coaches' job easier with players who have that extra stamina! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 27, 2010, 08:57:38 AM
Albion football has a Fitness test, timed mile, lifting and agility test first week of Football.
The last few years Albion has included more off-season Yoga, and whole body core work.
With last years change in defense to a more "speed" based defense this will continue.

Trine will be the favorite again this year, very strong team returning.
I continue to say the University committed monies, and resources to the football team, athletics, the school in general new buildings and stadiums.
Semi-Pro coaching staff and energy are paying off.

Albion will have a more explosive offense this year, solid RB's with great speed still young, OL is key to Offensive success, lost a lot of starters.

Albion defense features a couple key high level returning players, DB, DE and DT.
Albion lost several starters on the DL and safties who were key to last years very strong defense until injuries showed the lack of depth.  Young players experience from last year and understanding the new scheme is key for Albion.

Couple weeks and camps begin. est time of the year cominig, will try to be back in Michigan for a few games, for Albion and Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 27, 2010, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: D306 on July 27, 2010, 08:57:38 AM
Albion football has a Fitness test, timed mile, lifting and agility test first week of Football.
The last few years Albion has included more off-season Yoga, and whole body core work.
With last years change in defense to a more "speed" based defense this will continue.

Trine will be the favorite again this year, very strong team returning.
I continue to say the University committed monies, and resources to the football team, athletics, the school in general new buildings and stadiums.
Semi-Pro coaching staff and energy are paying off.

Albion will have a more explosive offense this year, solid RB's with great speed still young, OL is key to Offensive success, lost a lot of starters.

Albion defense features a couple key high level returning players, DB, DE and DT.
Albion lost several starters on the DL and safties who were key to last years very strong defense until injuries showed the lack of depth.  Young players experience from last year and understanding the new scheme is key for Albion.

Couple weeks and camps begin. est time of the year cominig, will try to be back in Michigan for a few games, for Albion and Hope.

Maybe the other MIAA teams need to adopt the Trine training methods. Regarding other improvements, that is important as well providing each school has the financial strength and alumni support to make those upgrades. In today's economics many schools are struggling to stay viable. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on July 27, 2010, 01:43:33 PM
The coaches at Trine change up the run test every year, so you really don't know what to plan for.  Keeps it more difficult that way.  But in the past we had timed 110 yard sprints and half gassers.  We also had a mini combine in which the coaches would test your 40, broad jump, and cone drills.  I always hated those days
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2010, 09:18:29 PM
They were 11-1, 3-0 against D-III teams, but I don't think they were better than UW-Whitewater last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on July 28, 2010, 02:38:48 PM
Quote from: MIAAalum on July 21, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
Any thoughts on Alma's OC - Leister's son leaving Ferris St. to come run the Scotgun?

Great news for Alma and the MIAA!  He's listed on the roster, and the local paper there did a story back in June on his transfer from FSU to Alma. 

http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2010/06/24/sports/srv0000008635164.txt

Hopefully it's a good fit both football-wise and academically.  It would be nice to see another young QB flourish at Alma like Brehm and so many others.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 28, 2010, 03:05:05 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on July 28, 2010, 02:38:48 PM
Quote from: MIAAalum on July 21, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
Any thoughts on Alma's OC - Leister's son leaving Ferris St. to come run the Scotgun?

Great news for Alma and the MIAA!  He's listed on the roster, and the local paper there did a story back in June on his transfer from FSU to Alma. 

http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2010/06/24/sports/srv0000008635164.txt

Hopefully it's a good fit both football-wise and academically.  It would be nice to see another young QB flourish at Alma like Brehm and so many others.

Good news for the MIAA! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 01, 2010, 05:55:20 PM
Formerd3db,

300 +k's, Congrats! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2010, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 01, 2010, 05:55:20 PM
Formerd3db,

300 +k's, Congrats! :)

Thank you!  And congrats on your own milestone 200+k's!  Thanks also for contributing and helping to keep our MIAA board going.  You add much to the discussions (heck, sometimes you are the discussion guy!) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 07, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 07, 2010, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 01, 2010, 05:55:20 PM
Formerd3db,

300 +k's, Congrats! :)

Thank you!  And congrats on your own milestone 200+k's!  Thanks also for contributing and helping to keep our MIAA board going.  You add much to the discussions (heck, sometimes you are the discussion guy!) :)

Thanks for the comments. Glad you are back, since you mainly and a few other posters have been the voice of the MIAA! :)

What are you hearing if anything about the upcoming summer camps? Trine seems prime to win the conference, but can another team, like an Adrian challenge them? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 08, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
From my "inside" sources; Hope players report next Sun night/Mon (Aug 16th), with physicals scheduled for Monday.  Apparently about 120 on pre-season roster, down from the 140-160 we've had for the past few years.  I suspect that is because of the economic times, higher cost of Hope, although I was also informed that Hope did meet its expected/planned freshman class again of 800+ which is what they have set as their goal the past several years.  Anyway, with regard to football, should know more after next week.

I heard that Olivet will have some players returning who played a couple of years ago, but not last year.  That will be good, although perhaps our Olivet colleagues on this board, including OC_SID, Rome, CometAlum  can enlighten us more on the upcoming roster.  I have not heard anything else about some of the other MIAA schools.  Although we've heard from our Trine colleagues here about their prospects and other aspects, let's hear from some of you guys from the other MIAA schools.  I assume that everyone opens camp next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 08, 2010, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 08, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
From my "inside" sources; Hope players report next Sun night/Mon (Aug 16th), with physicals scheduled for Monday.  Apparently about 120 on pre-season roster, down from the 140-160 we've had for the past few years.  I suspect that is because of the economic times, higher cost of Hope, although I was also informed that Hope did meet its expected/planned freshman class again of 800+ which is what they have set as their goal the past several years.  Anyway, with regard to football, should know more after next week.

I heard that Olivet will have some players returning who played a couple of years ago, but not last year.  That will be good, although perhaps our Olivet colleagues on this board, including OC_SID, Rome, CometAlum  can enlighten us more on the upcoming roster.  I have not heard anything else about some of the other MIAA schools.  Although we've heard from our Trine colleagues here about their prospects and other aspects, let's hear from some of you guys from the other MIAA schools.  I assume that everyone opens camp next week.

Formerd3db,

If Hope has 800+ freshman coming, what is their total enrollment?

It seem very unusual to have players just skip a year, then decide to play (Olivet)! ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on August 09, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 08, 2010, 09:52:22 PM

It seem very unusual to have players just skip a year, then decide to play (Olivet)! ???

Please excuse my (big) "butt-in", but circumstances do alter traditional, 4 yr football participation - family issues, grade point eligibility, financial issues, or even off-campus internships or classroom requirements.

68 - I recall the brother of a certain all-league running back during our second year (fall 76) in Mt Pleasant who was suddenly not playing for a junior season.  The TA's inflexibility to alter miscreant's classroom performance/attendance records relegated said grad student from Brooks Hall labs to a field fellowship in Antrim County and an extra year to complete classes due to a 130 minute commute, each way.  WTH - better fishing around Traverse than Isabella or Mecosta counties.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 09, 2010, 10:04:59 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on August 09, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 08, 2010, 09:52:22 PM

It seem very unusual to have players just skip a year, then decide to play (Olivet)! ???

Please excuse my (big) "butt-in", but circumstances do alter traditional, 4 yr football participation - family issues, grade point eligibility, financial issues, or even off-campus internships or classroom requirements.

68 - I recall the brother of a certain all-league running back during our second year (fall 76) in Mt Pleasant who was suddenly not playing for a junior season.  The TA's inflexibility to alter miscreant's classroom performance/attendance records relegated said grad student from Brooks Hall labs to a field fellowship in Antrim County and an extra year to complete classes due to a 130 minute commute, each way.  WTH - better fishing around Traverse than Isabella or Mecosta counties.



Good points!, Other than normal stoppage of playing over a 4 year period due to grades, personal issues, etc, my question involved not wanting to play for the former coach vs. now a new one at Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on August 09, 2010, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 09, 2010, 10:04:59 AM
Good points!, Other than normal stoppage of playing over a 4 year period due to grades, personal issues, etc, my question involved not wanting to play for the former coach vs. now a new one at Olivet.

Good point there as well - very "Jimmy Chitwood"-esque  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 09, 2010, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 08, 2010, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 08, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
From my "inside" sources; Hope players report next Sun night/Mon (Aug 16th), with physicals scheduled for Monday.  Apparently about 120 on pre-season roster, down from the 140-160 we've had for the past few years.  I suspect that is because of the economic times, higher cost of Hope, although I was also informed that Hope did meet its expected/planned freshman class again of 800+ which is what they have set as their goal the past several years.  Anyway, with regard to football, should know more after next week.

I heard that Olivet will have some players returning who played a couple of years ago, but not last year.  That will be good, although perhaps our Olivet colleagues on this board, including OC_SID, Rome, CometAlum  can enlighten us more on the upcoming roster.  I have not heard anything else about some of the other MIAA schools.  Although we've heard from our Trine colleagues here about their prospects and other aspects, let's hear from some of you guys from the other MIAA schools.  I assume that everyone opens camp next week.

Formerd3db,

If Hope has 800+ freshman coming, what is their total enrollment?

It seem very unusual to have players just skip a year, then decide to play (Olivet)! ???

Hope has been around 3,000 for awhile now, last year over 3200 for the 4th year in a row I think.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 09, 2010, 05:50:24 PM
"Hope has been around 3,000 for awhile now, last year over 3200 for the 4th year in a row I think." per sac

How do the other MIAA schools compare? It would be interesting to know the relationship of the number men playing football  vs. the total number of men enrolled in the school. That would address the quantity but obviously not the quality of a given program, IMHO! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2010, 07:58:28 PM
Raider 68: Full-time undergraduate enrollment numbers are on the team pages on D3football.com.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 09, 2010, 10:05:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2010, 07:58:28 PM
Raider 68: Full-time undergraduate enrollment numbers are on the team pages on D3football.com.

Thanks Pat! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2010, 10:58:47 PM
sac and Raider:

Yes, that is correct.  Hope has been over the 3200 mark the past few years.  It is my understanding that while they could expand with even more enrollement, they want to stay around 3300.  Part of this is due to land issues, (Hope could use another large dorm) although the campus has expanded tremendously in the past couple of decades and, there is the possibility it could do so even more (the school has a great relationship with the city and community).  However, again, for now, they want to stay around 3300 at tops.   

Cave2:  Good to hear from you.  Indeed, there are many factors involved which can and do account for players sometimes taking a year off (or even just deciding to give it up permanently, even when they are at the top of their game and a key top player for their school).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 10, 2010, 11:19:02 AM
The coach's picks for the MIAA have been published:

Poll Results (First-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Trine (6) 6 pts. 2. Albion 13. 3. Adrian (1) 14. 4. Hope 22. 5. Alma 25. 6. Kalamazoo 32. 7. Olivet 35.

Here's the link to the announcement on the MIAA site:

http://www.miaa.org/index.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 10, 2010, 05:32:13 PM
No surprise that Trine is picked to win the MIAA.  I was a bit surprised that Albion was picked second.  However, I am sure the coaches know a lot more than I do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 10, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on August 10, 2010, 05:32:13 PM
No surprise that Trine is picked to win the MIAA.  I was a bit surprised that Albion was picked second.  However, I am sure the coaches know a lot more than I do.

I thought Adrian would be #2, and they get UWW for their opener! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 10, 2010, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 10, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
I thought Adrian would be #2, and they get UWW for their opener! ::)

I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on August 10, 2010, 11:14:53 PM
Speaking of Adrian can anybody tell me anything about the program they have their and how they are this year? Getting into football a little early since the Brewers are horrible and I want the Warhawks to win another title before I finally leave UWW after 5 years with my masters, and I'm curious of the opposition.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 11, 2010, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: MasterJedi on August 10, 2010, 11:14:53 PM
Speaking of Adrian can anybody tell me anything about the program they have their and how they are this year? Getting into football a little early since the Brewers are horrible and I want the Warhawks to win another title before I finally leave UWW after 5 years with my masters, and I'm curious of the opposition.

Here is some info:

Adrian Bulldogs:
Colors- Black and Gold
HC- Jim Deere (1st yr) former DC and alum
Record last 11 seasons 61-48 with winning seasons over last 6 years
Football began in 1892
Picked 3rd in the MIAA this fall, many think should be #2 behind Trine

Check the Official site for player details ,etc. :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on August 11, 2010, 10:40:16 AM
I think Albion is a good pick for the number 2 spot.  They have a pretty solid ground game and defense coming back from last year. With Coach Deere taking over and some key players not coming back, I think Adrian may have some kinks to work out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 12, 2010, 02:33:19 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on August 11, 2010, 10:40:16 AM
I think Albion is a good pick for the number 2 spot.  They have a pretty solid ground game and defense coming back from last year. With Coach Deere taking over and some key players not coming back, I think Adrian may have some kinks to work out.

Albion may have a good shot at #2 in the conference, but have a tough 2nd game at home against Wheaton and another tough 4th game in Wisc. against UWSP. Their season will be greatly impacted by these non-conference games and also provide how strong they may or may not be in the conference! :-\

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on August 13, 2010, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on August 11, 2010, 10:40:16 AM
I think Albion is a good pick for the number 2 spot.  They have a pretty solid ground game and defense coming back from last year. With Coach Deere taking over and some key players not coming back, I think Adrian may have some kinks to work out.

I agree, I think the learning curve of the first season without the previous coach will effect the Bulldogs early. However, I also think that Albion is still a year away from being in the hunt. So, I am picking Adrian to finish second, followed by Albion, Hope, Kalamazoo, Alma, and Olivet. Trine should win their 3rd consecutive conference title and make a deep run in the playoffs.

Go Thunder!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2010, 04:59:56 PM
I miss "adawgisadawg4life's" posts and his Adrian perspective.  Come back dawg if you are still out there....you brought a lot of good insight to the board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 14, 2010, 08:18:03 AM
I think the coachs poll looks good.

Trine is the clear favorite with the players returning. I hope for another playoff win.

Albion should be 2nd. a lot of quality skill players coming back.
As I commented before OL and cut down the bad turnovers.

Adrian has players but coachng changes need at least a year to blend into the fabric and get past the shake up.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 14, 2010, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: D306 on August 14, 2010, 08:18:03 AM
I think the coachs poll looks good.

Trine is the clear favorite with the players returning. I hope for another playoff win.

Albion should be 2nd. a lot of quality skill players coming back.
As I commented before OL and cut down the bad turnovers.

Adrian has players but coachng changes need at least a year to blend into the fabric and get past the shake up.



Assuming Trine wins the conference (very likely), both Adrian and Albion have brutal non-conference games before conference play. Their seasons could be impacted significantly in the first 4 games, we'll see! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 09:35:32 AM
The MIAA board has gone real quiet, surprizing since training camp for most schools has started! ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 17, 2010, 11:18:57 AM
I was taking a look at the websites of Wheaton's non-conference opponents and saw Olivet's schedule.  Wow!  Pretty tough way to start out! Fortunately for the Comets looks like 3 of the 4 non-conference are at home.  Anyone know if there is a strategy here of trying to improve (though they were the MIAA rep in the playoffs in 2007) or were these just the games they were able to negotiate?
9/4 v @ Wittenberg
9/11 v Elmhurst
9/18 v  North Central
9/25 v Wheaton
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: matblake on August 17, 2010, 11:18:57 AM
I was taking a look at the websites of Wheaton's non-conference opponents and saw Olivet's schedule.  Wow!  Pretty tough way to start out! Fortunately for the Comets looks like 3 of the 4 non-conference are at home.  Anyone know if there is a strategy here of trying to improve (though they were the MIAA rep in the playoffs in 2007) or were these just the games they were able to negotiate?
9/4 v @ Wittenberg
9/11 v Elmhurst
9/18 v  North Central
9/25 v Wheaton

The Comets have one of the toughest 1st 4 games in all of D3, and with a new HC. Kind of reminds me of the Miami Hurricanes who also have a brutal 1st 4 games, but Olivet is not Miami! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 17, 2010, 02:05:42 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: matblake on August 17, 2010, 11:18:57 AM
I was taking a look at the websites of Wheaton's non-conference opponents and saw Olivet's schedule.  Wow!  Pretty tough way to start out! Fortunately for the Comets looks like 3 of the 4 non-conference are at home.  Anyone know if there is a strategy here of trying to improve (though they were the MIAA rep in the playoffs in 2007) or were these just the games they were able to negotiate?
9/4 v @ Wittenberg
9/11 v Elmhurst
9/18 v  North Central
9/25 v Wheaton

The Comets have one of the toughest 1st 4 games in all of D3, and with a new HC. Kind of reminds me of the Miami Hurricanes who also have a brutal 1st 4 games, but Olivet is not Miami! ;D

That might be true, but I wouldn't want Willamette's schedule to start the year.
@ UW-Stevens Point   (second best team in the WIAC)
@ Hardin-Simmons   (has one of the best QB's in DIII)
Southern Oregon   (NAIA)
@ Linfield    (#3 in the country)

This is a very good team that could start the year 0-4... :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 17, 2010, 02:05:42 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: matblake on August 17, 2010, 11:18:57 AM
I was taking a look at the websites of Wheaton's non-conference opponents and saw Olivet's schedule.  Wow!  Pretty tough way to start out! Fortunately for the Comets looks like 3 of the 4 non-conference are at home.  Anyone know if there is a strategy here of trying to improve (though they were the MIAA rep in the playoffs in 2007) or were these just the games they were able to negotiate?
9/4 v @ Wittenberg
9/11 v Elmhurst
9/18 v  North Central
9/25 v Wheaton

The Comets have one of the toughest 1st 4 games in all of D3, and with a new HC. Kind of reminds me of the Miami Hurricanes who also have a brutal 1st 4 games, but Olivet is not Miami! ;D

That might be true, but I wouldn't want Willamette's schedule to start the year.
@ UW-Stevens Point   (second best team in the WIAC)
@ Hardin-Simmons   (has one of the best QB's in DIII)
Southern Oregon   (NAIA)
@ Linfield    (#3 in the country)

This is a very good team that could start the year 0-4... :-\

I give both Olivet and Willamette's staff for taking on the challenge! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 17, 2010, 05:40:12 PM
Adrian's start ain't exactly chopped liver (though overall perhaps not quite as tough):  @ UWW (the single toughest game on any of these schedules), then home to Defiance, Augustana, and Trine.  (Their 4th non-con game, in week six, is @DePauw.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on August 17, 2010, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 11, 2010, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: MasterJedi on August 10, 2010, 11:14:53 PM
Speaking of Adrian can anybody tell me anything about the program they have their and how they are this year? Getting into football a little early since the Brewers are horrible and I want the Warhawks to win another title before I finally leave UWW after 5 years with my masters, and I'm curious of the opposition.

Here is some info:

Adrian Bulldogs:
Colors- Black and Gold
HC- Jim Deere (1st yr) former DC and alum
Record last 11 seasons 61-48 with winning seasons over last 6 years
Football began in 1892
Picked 3rd in the MIAA this fall, many think should be #2 behind Trine

Check the Official site for player details ,etc. :)



While I did take a look that didn't help. Reading that info isn't the same as knowing how the team functions by watching it. I can read stats and height and weight info but without actually seem that it really means nothing. That's why I was hoping someone would be able to write up how they think the offense and defense are going to be this year and how they feel they'll stack up in the game.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 07:42:34 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on August 17, 2010, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 11, 2010, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: MasterJedi on August 10, 2010, 11:14:53 PM
Speaking of Adrian can anybody tell me anything about the program they have their and how they are this year? Getting into football a little early since the Brewers are horrible and I want the Warhawks to win another title before I finally leave UWW after 5 years with my masters, and I'm curious of the opposition.

Here is some info:

Adrian Bulldogs:
Colors- Black and Gold
HC- Jim Deere (1st yr) former DC and alum
Record last 11 seasons 61-48 with winning seasons over last 6 years
Football began in 1892
Picked 3rd in the MIAA this fall, many think should be #2 behind Trine

Check the Official site for player details ,etc. :)



While I did take a look that didn't help. Reading that info isn't the same as knowing how the team functions by watching it. I can read stats and height and weight info but without actually seem that it really means nothing. That's why I was hoping someone would be able to write up how they think the ians's


Do not know Adrian's program that well, just trying to help! :-\ Need an Adrian alum/poster to answer your question.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on August 17, 2010, 07:44:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 07:42:34 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on August 17, 2010, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 11, 2010, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: MasterJedi on August 10, 2010, 11:14:53 PM
Speaking of Adrian can anybody tell me anything about the program they have their and how they are this year? Getting into football a little early since the Brewers are horrible and I want the Warhawks to win another title before I finally leave UWW after 5 years with my masters, and I'm curious of the opposition.

Here is some info:

Adrian Bulldogs:
Colors- Black and Gold
HC- Jim Deere (1st yr) former DC and alum
Record last 11 seasons 61-48 with winning seasons over last 6 years
Football began in 1892
Picked 3rd in the MIAA this fall, many think should be #2 behind Trine

Check the Official site for player details ,etc. :)



While I did take a look that didn't help. Reading that info isn't the same as knowing how the team functions by watching it. I can read stats and height and weight info but without actually seem that it really means nothing. That's why I was hoping someone would be able to write up how they think the ians's


Do not know Adrian's program that well, just trying to help! :-\ Need an Adrian alum/poster to answer your question.

Unfortunatly the board seems rather dead. We need to find where they've been hiding and drag em out.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on August 18, 2010, 10:25:11 AM
Master Jedi,

With the new head coach and staff its hard to tell what they will do this year, but in the past they ran a spread offense.  I think they ran a 4-3 defense but not sure on that one.  Defense has always been their strong point.  Pretty athletic at most positions.  Get the ball to their athletes in open space and let them create something.  Quarterback is a pocket passer but if you get pressure on him he tends to make bad decisions.  The back up runs more and is pretty elusive.  Don't know how much that helps ya, but that's what I can remember from the past few years
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 18, 2010, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on August 18, 2010, 10:25:11 AM
Master Jedi,

With the new head coach and staff its hard to tell what they will do this year, but in the past they ran a spread offense.  I think they ran a 4-3 defense but not sure on that one.  Defense has always been their strong point.  Pretty athletic at most positions.  Get the ball to their athletes in open space and let them create something.  Quarterback is a pocket passer but if you get pressure on him he tends to make bad decisions.  The back up runs more and is pretty elusive.  Don't know how much that helps ya, but that's what I can remember from the past few years

Good post +k ! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Tipps on August 19, 2010, 07:54:05 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 07:42:34 PM
Do not know Adrian's program that well, just trying to help! :-\ Need an Adrian alum/poster to answer your question.

...or just need to wait a couple more days and get yourself a very detailed copy of Kickoff 2010 (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/)  ;) Who knows, it might even have an interesting MIAA feature in it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 19, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: Ryan Tipps on August 19, 2010, 07:54:05 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 17, 2010, 07:42:34 PM
Do not know Adrian's program that well, just trying to help! :-\ Need an Adrian alum/poster to answer your question.

...or just need to wait a couple more days and get yourself a very detailed copy of Kickoff 2010 (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/)  ;) Who knows, it might even have an interesting MIAA feature in it.

It may be in the Kickoff 2010, since Adrian plays the defending Nat. Champs UWW in their opener, so no doubt it will offer some details on Adrian, which is a good thing! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 23, 2010, 12:02:50 PM
Any camp news from the MIAA teams, all is quiet thus far? :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 23, 2010, 12:40:32 PM
Trine is scrimmaging against University of St. Francis (NAIA) on Tuesday, 8/24. 

The first signs of fall - scrimmage this week and the first game next week!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 23, 2010, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 23, 2010, 12:40:32 PM
Trine is scrimmaging against University of St. Francis (NAIA) on Tuesday, 8/24. 

The first signs of fall - scrimmage this week and the first game next week!



LIR,

Thanks for that! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 23, 2010, 05:22:35 PM
Adrian's pre-season info sez they're runnin a 4-4 on D. (goin back to that post)

http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-footbl/2010-11/cosida_info10.pdf
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 24, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
This has been in the works for a while now.  Look for some great changes to the athletic fields at K.   The blue prints are fantastic and will bring a nice, and much needed change to Kzoo Athletics. 

http://tinyurl.com/2fzmbv3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 24, 2010, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Stinger on August 24, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
This has been in the works for a while now.  Look for some great changes to the athletic fields at K.   The blue prints are fantastic and will bring a nice, and much needed change to Kzoo Athletics. 

http://tinyurl.com/2fzmbv3

That is great news for Kalamazoo, Hope the Board goes ahead with the program. Wabash just put in a new field , and its looks fantastic. Go to NCAC board for Pics! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 24, 2010, 03:59:45 PM
COMING SOON!!!  The third annual MIAA Pickems!!

Check the Pickems section of General Football - I'll have rules and scoring up soon (it will be the same as last year), and the Week I schedule later tonight or tomorrow.

The more the merrier!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 24, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 24, 2010, 03:59:45 PM
COMING SOON!!!  The third annual MIAA Pickems!!

Check the Pickems section of General Football - I'll have rules and scoring up soon (it will be the same as last year), and the Week I schedule later tonight or tomorrow.

The more the merrier!

Mr. Ypsi

As a former Michigan Resident (Portage-Kalamazoo) I followed some of the MIAA teams, though a Ohio native and Raider alum/player. I want to participate in the MIAA pickems as well as OAC. I am sure the rules and scoring are the same/similiar. Thanks for your hard work on this! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 25, 2010, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: Stinger on August 24, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
This has been in the works for a while now.  Look for some great changes to the athletic fields at K.   The blue prints are fantastic and will bring a nice, and much needed change to Kzoo Athletics. 

http://tinyurl.com/2fzmbv3

good news!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 28, 2010, 12:19:23 PM
I look for Trine to win big against Manchester on Thursday! Anyone see it otherwise? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 28, 2010, 04:11:58 PM
No way! The only one I think Trine might lose is @UW-RF. Also I don't know anything about LaGrange though....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2010, 04:18:53 PM
Kickoff will tell you more about LaGrange and give you an idea who we think will win that game:

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on August 29, 2010, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 28, 2010, 12:19:23 PM
I look for Trine to win big against Manchester on Thursday! Anyone see it otherwise? :)

I totally agree with you. If the starters stay in the for the entire game I can see Trine winning by 21 or more. Thursday night can't get here soon enough, it will be a long week!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 29, 2010, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on August 29, 2010, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 28, 2010, 12:19:23 PM
I look for Trine to win big against Manchester on Thursday! Anyone see it otherwise? :)

I totally agree with you. If the starters stay in the for the entire game I can see Trine winning by 21 or more. Thursday night can't get here soon enough, it will be a long week!

Manchester has won 27 games in 11 years against 83 losses. They were 5-5 for the past 2 years and have not had a winning season for those 11 years. My guess is that Trine will win by 3-4 TD's. Not sure if they may need their starters much past the 4th qtr. but we will see! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 30, 2010, 11:43:35 AM
Any Adrian followers here?  Can someone tell me something about their team?  We'll be playing them Saturday and I was curious to know what they would bring to the table. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on August 30, 2010, 12:36:42 PM
can anyone comment on the Alma/North Park scrimmage?  I heard Alma QB's served up 6-7 picks but again that's just hearsay. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 30, 2010, 01:39:56 PM
Today's football tip.........

don't do this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXcaxjFgF8&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 31, 2010, 09:43:12 AM
Where is Formerd3db? I am really surprised he has not been on ths board so close to the season, hope all is well wtih him! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 31, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 30, 2010, 11:43:35 AM
Any Adrian followers here?  Can someone tell me something about their team?  We'll be playing them Saturday and I was curious to know what they would bring to the table. 

Adrian is running a base multiple offense, and a 4-4 base defense. Here's the link to their COSIDA infor page:
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-footbl/2010-11/cosida_info10.pdf (http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-footbl/2010-11/cosida_info10.pdf)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 31, 2010, 11:02:34 AM
Thanks, sfl
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 31, 2010, 04:04:46 PM
Yep...NP
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on August 31, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
I've been reading this board for a long time but finally decided to register so I could join the "discussion". As my name reveals I am completely biased but hopefully at least partially objective.  Anyway, I can't wait for Thursday night when my son and his teammates take the field.  As I write the new stadium is being polished up and even a Jumbotron is being installed.  With skydivers, fireworks and a full house the Thunder will inaugurate their run for a third consecutive MIAA crown. GO THUNDER!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 31, 2010, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: TrineDad on August 31, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
I've been reading this board for a long time but finally decided to register so I could join the "discussion". As my name reveals I am completely biased but hopefully at least partially objective.  Anyway, I can't wait for Thursday night when my son and his teammates take the field.  As I write the new stadium is being polished up and even a Jumbotron is being installed.  With skydivers, fireworks and a full house the Thunder will inaugurate their run for a third consecutive MIAA crown. GO THUNDER!

As a fellow Trine supporter, and D3 fan, welcome!  We will be tailgating at the Thunderbus if you want to stop by.  You will recognize the Thunderbus, don't worry!  :)  LetItRain will no doubt be there also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 31, 2010, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: TrineDad on August 31, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
I've been reading this board for a long time but finally decided to register so I could join the "discussion". As my name reveals I am completely biased but hopefully at least partially objective.  Anyway, I can't wait for Thursday night when my son and his teammates take the field.  As I write the new stadium is being polished up and even a Jumbotron is being installed.  With skydivers, fireworks and a full house the Thunder will inaugurate their run for a third consecutive MIAA crown. GO THUNDER!

Welcome Trinedad, from an OAC poster with ties to Michigan. Hope Trine does well! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gohope on August 31, 2010, 11:05:15 PM
Nice article on some local players for Hope in today's Kalamazoo Gazette


http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/08/area_trio_of_josh_droppers_zac.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kalamazoosports+%28Kalamazoo+Gazette+Sports%29
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 01, 2010, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: gohope on August 31, 2010, 11:05:15 PM
Nice article on some local players for Hope in today's Kalamazoo Gazette


http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/08/area_trio_of_josh_droppers_zac.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kalamazoosports+%28Kalamazoo+Gazette+Sports%29

Nice article, counting on Hope to have a better year, along with Formerd3db! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 01, 2010, 10:59:10 AM
Just a heads up that the CCIW pick ems have started for this year.  If you wish to participate, the more the merrier.  Come join us!

For the rules, you can see Mugsy's post #672 on the CCIW pick em page.  Please note:  Picks are due this week by Friday at 5 PM (Central Time) due to the Friday Night Augustana game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 02, 2010, 02:52:25 AM
Hey guys. Just like TrineDad said, I've been following these boards for a while and am in for some MIAA discussions. I work for WEAX (Trine University's on-campus radio station) doing color for the football broadcasts. I'm an alum and I also work full-time at Trine, so this is really what I do. No biases here  ::)

I'm looking forward to tomorrow night with the debut of the new Fred Zollner Athletic Stadium, along with the nighttime activities, capped off with fireworks at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2010, 03:21:56 AM
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 02, 2010, 02:52:25 AM
Hey guys. Just like TrineDad said, I've been following these boards for a while and am in for some MIAA discussions. I work for WEAX (Trine University's on-campus radio station) doing color for the football broadcasts. I'm an alum and I also work full-time at Trine, so this is really what I do. No biases here  ::)

I'm looking forward to tomorrow night with the debut of the new Fred Zollner Athletic Stadium, along with the nighttime activities, capped off with fireworks at the end of the game.

For those of you that have not heard their broadcast, they do an excellent job!  Also, the fireworks you can get and use in Indiana are WAY better than what has been legal in Michigan.  As a Michigander, I confess to checking out Shelton's on more than one occasion traveling to and from Trine.    ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 02, 2010, 08:24:29 AM
I'm excited to see the "show." I'm thinking that it'll be worthwhile because it's Community Night. As long as the rain holds off, I think we'll be in for a good night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 02, 2010, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 02, 2010, 02:52:25 AM
Hey guys. Just like TrineDad said, I've been following these boards for a while and am in for some MIAA discussions. I work for WEAX (Trine University's on-campus radio station) doing color for the football broadcasts. I'm an alum and I also work full-time at Trine, so this is really what I do. No biases here  ::)

I'm looking forward to tomorrow night with the debut of the new Fred Zollner Athletic Stadium, along with the nighttime activities, capped off with fireworks at the end of the game.


Welcome OnAirThunder to the MIAA board. :) I am an OAC poster, Mount alum, former player with ties to Michigan and the MIAA. With your position at Trine, you can provide a up front perspective!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on September 02, 2010, 10:15:46 AM
For those of you interested in the Adrian vs UWW game but can't make it to The Perk (http://www.instacam.com/instacamimg/wwatr/wwatr_l.jpg) in person, HERE (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/2007/9/20/followthewarhawks_09202007.aspx) is the link to live stats, audio and streaming video (it's free) -- just follow the online instructions on the UWW football webpage.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on September 02, 2010, 11:29:28 AM
I dont know about the rest of you, but I am excited about the college kickoff weekend!

I see a few new Trine faces on the board, so let me introduce myself.  I am a former Thunder player, senior on the '08 10-0 team. 

I have really high hopes for this year's team.  They have a very talented and experienced senior class who, if my memory serves me right, have only lost 5 (4 coming their freshman year) regular season games in their career and have never lost a regular season home game.  The rest of the team seems deep, as a lot of young players have contributed in big roles the last two years.

On that note, I think manchester is a program slowly pulling out of the bottom of the HCAC, but I think Trine will pull off a fairly easy win. 

I have not been following the rest of the conference as closely as I used to.  Any word on other expatations from all you others who are close to your respective teams?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on September 02, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
Welcome back Bored. Must have been pretty busy at work lately since you haven't graced us with your presence lately.  And I was just watching the weather channel and they said there is a sever thunderstorm warning for tonight in Angola around 7:00 tonight and it should let up around 10 (Sorry Uncle Rico and LetItRain, I had to).  Unfortunately, I have to work tonight so I can't make it to the game but I'm going to try and get updates as much as possible. GO THUNDER!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2010, 03:49:42 PM
I join Diezel, Raider68 and all the others in welcoming you new Trine posters (and the others) to our board.  Good luck to Trine tonight in their season opener.  Hopefully, the weather will clear so as to make it an enjoyable evening for football at the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 02, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
Checked the radar... looks like things might clear up around 6 PM to me...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 02, 2010, 04:37:27 PM
Does anyone have a link to site plans of the new athletics complex at Trine? I keep seeing all the advertisements and I hear that annoying voice-over every time I visit the Trine Athletics page, but I haven't seen official siteplans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 02, 2010, 10:01:16 PM
Any reports from Angola?  Should be late in the game by now, but nothing on scoreboard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 02, 2010, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 02, 2010, 10:01:16 PM
Any reports from Angola?  Should be late in the game by now, but nothing on scoreboard.

Trine a 55-7 winner! Boy, that was close!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on September 02, 2010, 11:09:06 PM
What a difference a year makes.  After an all day rain the skies cleared and the only Thunder heard was on the field.  A really impressive opener from Trine. This team looked hungry and came out firing on all cylinders.  I am anxious to see the stats but the offense appeared to be pretty balanced between the run and the pass.  Even with the loss of Mario Brown there was no shortage of talented receivers and several running backs were impressive as well.  Watt seemed totally in control and gave you the feeling that any time he wanted to he could pass - or run - the offense out of trouble.  The defense played really well also.  Again I am anxious to see Manchesters offensive stats but they can't be good.  The QB was under pressure all the time from a great Trine D-line and the D backs made some really nice plays as well.  For an opening game there were few penalties on either side which I thought was impressive.  No subsitution calls or jumping offsides or illegal procedures.  Trine appeared in midseason form and it was a great night to be Trinedad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2010, 11:32:42 PM
Congratulations to you Trine people (and, of course, your team) for a nice opening season win this evening.  Glad the weather cleared.  I'm sure it was a festive night - always a fun time at night games in college.

Looking forward to more of the season, and certainly when we (Hope) play you guys. 

I hope everyone on this board has a safe and enjoyable Labor Day weekend.  Everyone please be careful and drive safe.

Godspeed everyone,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 02, 2010, 11:39:32 PM
I believe the final number was 642 offensive yards, which eclipsed a record from 1998 when Tri-State played against St. Francis. 303 rushing yards and 339 passing yards, if I'm correct.

It was a huge win for the program and should make some waves across the D3 nation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2010, 12:09:03 AM
A very impressive opener for Trine.  If Kickoff is correct, Manchester was not a bad team (about dead-center among the 238 d3 teams, ahead of 4 MIAA teams, and two slots behind Hope).  To beat them so resoundingly certainly seems to justify Trine's Top 25 status.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2010, 01:04:46 AM
Congrats to Trine for a dominate victory this evening.  It will be interesting to see how this squad does against a top notch team.
I think Trine's biggest weakness is their nonconf. schedule.  If they had Adrian's schedule, it would better prep for the playoffs.  I don't want to assume that they'll win the MIAA, but they are the obvious front runners. 
Good luck the rest of the season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 03, 2010, 07:24:29 AM
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 02, 2010, 11:39:32 PM
I believe the final number was 642 offensive yards, which eclipsed a record from 1998 when Tri-State played against St. Francis. 303 rushing yards and 339 passing yards, if I'm correct.

It was a huge win for the program and should make some waves across the D3 nation.

The scary thing is that it could have been even bigger.  A lot of backups saw playing time, which is a positive.  Trine showed depth.  Good to see a lot of players involved.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on September 03, 2010, 08:13:19 AM
I am going to piggy back of a couple of the Trine posters and give some thoughts and observations from last nights game.

O - They have a very balanced and explosive attack.  Like was mentioned before, they had 300+ yards rushing and 300+ yards passing.  Watt looked very impressive, very accurate with his down field passes and accurate on the run. They had 5 rushing TDs and 3 through the air.  On the night, they averaged over 10 yards per play and over 20 yards per completion.

D - They were in Manchester's backfield all night, racking up 14 TFL and 5 sacks.  They held the spartans to about 230 total yards.  Only 108 through the air, but it doesnt look like Manchester was a passing team.  But they did hold what looks like a decent rushing attack in check. The only downside, like in previous years, they gave up some big pays.  a 50 yard pass, and a couple long runs on 3rd and long.  But in an impressive feat, Manchester had more punting yards than offensive yards.

Depth - Trine showed that they have been recruiting well the past couple years.  With a big lead, reserves started seeing time late in the 3rd.  Several freshman saw time in the backfeld, 11 people carried the ball, and none seemed too out of place.  A lot of backups saw time on D as well.  34 players recorded a tackle.  The second team D played well, even having a goalline stand late in the game.  I also noticed several players in street clothes on the sidelne, including a few starters. 

Facilities - Trine debuted their new stadium last night, and did not disapoint. It is a top notch facility that would rival any in division 3 (and most other divisions as well).  It also increased the capacity by quite a bit as well.  There was a record crowd of 5,100+ and by the looks of it, a few more could have fit in the visitor stands.

With all that said, was it all a product of a weak Manchester team, or a really good Trine team that is ready to compete on a national level.  The truth probably falls somewhere inbetween, but only time will tell. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 03, 2010, 08:19:18 AM
Great summary, Bored. After the first three scores, it was only a matter of how many points the 1st string offense was going to put up before Coach Land pulled them. Balanced offensive attack and great depth in the every single defensive spot lead towards their success.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 04, 2010, 09:44:10 AM
Alma could be in trouble, D-2 transfer, RS Freshman will not start. Scots will start true freshman for first time in 8 years.

http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2010/09/04/sports/srv0000009274158.txt (http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2010/09/04/sports/srv0000009274158.txt)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 04, 2010, 05:30:10 PM
Tough losses for the MIAA schools today... followed the Adrian/WW game for a little bit...nothing really happening.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 04, 2010, 09:40:15 PM
So the Hope streak continues for one more week, I lost track what are we up to now?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 05, 2010, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: sac on September 04, 2010, 09:40:15 PM
So the Hope streak continues for one more week, I lost track what are we up to now?

????
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 05, 2010, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 05, 2010, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: sac on September 04, 2010, 09:40:15 PM
So the Hope streak continues for one more week, I lost track what are we up to now?

????

Need Formerd3db to inspire them and give hope to Hope! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2010, 01:29:31 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 05, 2010, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: sac on September 04, 2010, 09:40:15 PM
So the Hope streak continues for one more week, I lost track what are we up to now?

????

Hope hasn't won a non-con game since 2004.  From 2005-2007 they went 18-3 in conference (including at least one title), yet never won a non-con game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on September 05, 2010, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 14, 2010, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: dreads90 on April 14, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
I see that Adrian picked up UW-Whitewater for the 1st game of the season. This will be an interesting match-up and a good test to see where the program is at after all the changes that have been made since last season.

I give Adrian and their staff credit for wanting to play one of the top programs. I think it is a win/win for Adrian!

It's my understanding Coach Lyall scheduled the game and should be given the credit. In any case, after watching the game, I don't think it would have hurt Adrian a bit to have him there.   ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 06, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2010, 01:29:31 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 05, 2010, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: sac on September 04, 2010, 09:40:15 PM
So the Hope streak continues for one more week, I lost track what are we up to now?

????

Hope hasn't won a non-con game since 2004.  From 2005-2007 they went 18-3 in conference (including at least one title), yet never won a non-con game.

Wow, I didn't know about that. They'll break that though for the WLC game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2010, 08:39:52 PM
Mr. Ypsi, Raider,sflzman and other friends:

Well, Mr. Ypsi's team did it to us again - 3 years in a row.  From our standpoint, it was a very disappointing loss - and not just because we've opened the season with a non-conf loss for the "umpteenth" time in a row or that we've lost to IWU three years in a row now.  IWU is a very good team (they proved that by not giving up and coming back), however, I don't think they are as good as last year.  Until the last 8-10 minutes of the game, Hope outplayed them.  Hope gave the game away, 2 missed PAT's and a missed FG.  Making the FG and one of those and Hope wins.  When we missed that FG early in the 1st qtr after a long drive, I knew that would come back to haunt us.  Overall, the lines did a great job, passing game better (although a few poor throwing decisions in the second half that should have been thrown away).  Hope is much imporved, however, we have to find a way to not self-detruct.  What did them in was the reverting to the same old problem as the last 2-3 years - the secondary giving up TD's on simple post-patterns - there is no excuse for receivers getting so far out in front on those patterns - some mental breakdowns.  That was disappointing since the secondary had done such an outstanding job in the first half.  Also, all blocked kicks came from up the middle, thus, special teams have much work to do for this week.

So you can imagine how the excitement of a very nice Annual Community Appreciation Day home team crowd weaned to nothing-shock and disappointment during the last 8 minutes of the game to see an almost victory slip away.  This is not intended at taking anything away from IWU as, again, their perseverence prevailed and they did what was needed.  That old saying - never give up.

So anyway, as others have mentioned, I anticipate Hope will rebound this week against WLC, although that is not a given - because it is also a home game for the latter.

On other aspects, I was shocked at the Alma score.  Their opponent is improved this year, however, even though Alma has a lot of new, young players, I did not expect that kind of score.  Disappointing.


Congrats to Mr. Ypsi's team - you win the Hope/IWU trophy again (:( for me ;))  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2010, 09:17:40 PM
formerd3db,

Three years, Ten points difference.  You will NEVER beat IWU, but you scare me every time! ;D  (Except 2008, when I was there - despite the closeness of the game, I was never in doubt who would win. ;))

I agree that Hope's horrendous non-con losing streak should end this week (and have already said so on Pickems).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 07, 2010, 10:37:55 AM
I  don't know anything about Hope's football team but Wisconsin Lutheran is a very weak program.  Hope should get a win.  If they don't they are probably in for a very long and disappointing season.   Lakeland is another opportunity for a nonconference win.  They aren't very good.  Neither of these programs is even close to IWU.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 07, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
Looking to next week, Trine faces Bluffton, who beat Kalamazoo. Hopefully the Thunder don't look past Bluffton before making the trek up to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 07, 2010, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 07, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
Looking to next week, Trine faces Bluffton, who beat Kalamazoo. Hopefully the Thunder don't look past Bluffton before making the trek up to Wisconsin.

Trine will have their hands full when they travel to Wisconsin! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 07, 2010, 11:20:36 AM
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 07, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
Looking to next week, Trine faces Bluffton, who beat Kalamazoo. Hopefully the Thunder don't look past Bluffton before making the trek up to Wisconsin.

Couldn't have said it any better myself!  My biggest fear is that Trine will look past someone and get bit.  Based on the non-conference schedule and the lack of respect that the MIAA gets, Trine cannot afford to have any letdowns.  The fact that some sites had Trine ranked lower this year than last, even though they have returned so many key players and have a great deal more depth, shows that Trine will have to keep their foot on the throttle to help their seeding for the playoffs...if they get there.  Cannot look past anyone!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 07, 2010, 02:36:38 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 06, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2010, 01:29:31 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 05, 2010, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: sac on September 04, 2010, 09:40:15 PM
So the Hope streak continues for one more week, I lost track what are we up to now?

????

Hope hasn't won a non-con game since 2004.  From 2005-2007 they went 18-3 in conference (including at least one title), yet never won a non-con game.

Wow, I didn't know about that. They'll break that though for the WLC game.

Except, maybe the loss will be a bit narrower than the thrashings WLC got before the Warriors' shift to a newer league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on September 07, 2010, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 07, 2010, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 07, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
Looking to next week, Trine faces Bluffton, who beat Kalamazoo. Hopefully the Thunder don't look past Bluffton before making the trek up to Wisconsin.

Trine will have their hands full when they travel to Wisconsin! :-\

I honestly don't think that the Trine coaching staff will allow this team to overlook anyone. The Bluffton team beating Kalamazoo College should be plenty of bulletin board material to keep them focused on the task at hand. I'm not even commenting on the Wisconsin trip, one week at a time, the most important game of the season is the one that is being played next.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 07, 2010, 09:24:27 PM
Hope's non-conference losing streak

2004
Sep 11   JOHN CARROLL........... 21-20 W   3410  *LAST non-conf win
Sep 18   at DePauw University... 14-35 L   1200
Sep 25   WHEATON................ 28-45 L   3075

2005
Sep 10   at John Carroll........ 13-38 L   2949
Sep 17   DEPAUW................. 12-38 L   2575
Sep 24   at Wheaton.............  7-48 L   2587

2006
Sep 09   at Central College..... 13-24 L   1800
Sep 16   at DePauw University... 14-23 L   2500
Sep 23   WHEATON COLLEGE........ 21-35 L   2201
Nov 18   at Mount Union.........  0-49 L   1624  **NCAA playoff game

2007
Sep 01   UW-RIVER FALLS......... 24-54 L
Sep 08   CENTRAL................ 17-36 L
Sep 22   at Wheaton College.....  7-42 L

2008
Sep 6    ILLINOIS WESLEYAN...... 25-28 L
Sep 13   at Carthage............ 46-70 L    350
Sep 20   at UW-Eau Claire.......  6-28 L   3200
Sept 27  WHEATON................  7-47 L   3870

2009
Sep 05   at Illinois Wesleyan... 25-28 L   1000
Sep 12   CARTHAGE............... 19-26 L   3776
Sep 19   UW-EAU CLAIRE.......... 45-52 LO  2150
Sep 26   at Wheaton............. 20-32 L   2876

2010
Sep 04   ILLINOIS WESLEYAN......16-20 L



20 regular season non-conference losses in a row
21 non-conference losses in a row

*Note - there are a lot of NCAA qualifiers or teams that either won their conference or were in contention on this list.



Hope as never lost to Wis-Lutheran  (8-0), Hope plays Wisc-Lutheran this Saturday.  :)

....but then Hope hasn't won a non-conf road game since 2002. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2010, 11:00:44 PM
The Hope nightmare ends this Saturday - guaranteed*.

*While believed to be true, this guarantee is not valid for damages on planet Earth. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 08, 2010, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2010, 11:00:44 PM
The Hope nightmare ends this Saturday - guaranteed*.

*While believed to be true, this guarantee is not valid for damages on planet Earth. ::)

Now that Formerd3db is back at the post, Hope will win for sure, right! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 09, 2010, 08:31:34 AM
It's unfortunate that Hope has had such a long streak of losses in that capacity, but I tell you what, Hope is one of the most difficult teams Trine plays every year, whether it be at home or on the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2010, 07:50:04 PM
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 09, 2010, 08:31:34 AM
It's unfortunate that Hope has had such a long streak of losses in that capacity, but I tell you what, Hope is one of the most difficult teams Trine plays every year, whether it be at home or on the road.
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 08, 2010, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2010, 11:00:44 PM
The Hope nightmare ends this Saturday - guaranteed*.

*While believed to be true, this guarantee is not valid for damages on planet Earth. ::)

Now that Formerd3db is back at the post, Hope will win for sure, right! ;D
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2010, 11:00:44 PM
The Hope nightmare ends this Saturday - guaranteed*.

*While believed to be true, this guarantee is not valid for damages on planet Earth. ::)

You guys are most kind.  Thank you very much.  Indeed, I HOPE the nightmare ends this weekend!  I will be going to the game with the team, so we'll see what happens.  Good luck to all your own teams as well (Trine, IWU and MUC...oops, I mean MTU  ;D) and drive safe if/when you go to the games.  Talk to you all later.

Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 10, 2010, 05:58:54 PM
How will the MIAA do this weekend, wins vs. losses? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on September 11, 2010, 05:32:28 PM
76-7 Trine over Bluffton!  I know Bluffton isn't that good of a team, but wow!!! That's pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 11, 2010, 08:01:21 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran 17, Hope 14

Ay carumba!!!


PS  Mr. Ypsi is hereby banned from making guarantees involving all Hope College athletic teams under penalty of being the rope in the Hope College Pull.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 11, 2010, 08:18:32 PM
"I feel the earth move under my feet
I feel the sky tumblin' down. . . . "

          Seriously, folks, it's too bad WLC had to leave the conference before getting off the schneid angainst Hope.  You guys used to wallop us royally.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 11, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: sac on September 11, 2010, 08:01:21 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran 17, Hope 14

Ay carumba!!!


PS  Mr. Ypsi is hereby banned from making guarantees involving all Hope College athletic teams under penalty of being the rope in the Hope College Pull.

Duly noted. :-[

In my defense, I was hardly alone - MIAA Pickems went Hope 10, WLC 0.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometAlum on September 12, 2010, 08:21:18 AM
Hope fans were wishing their nightmare was going to end. I have just one question for them, DO YOU WANT TO SWITCH? I'll be happy to switch nightmares with you.

FIRE HULKOW AND BATEMEN NOW! The program will has not and will not get better.

I can take losing, but I cannot stomach the serious lack of competitiveness, 124 total yards game 1, 115 game 2. They have been outscored 85-13, only 16 first downs, 2.3 yds per play (opp 6.4), top recievers stats Games2, REC  3, YDS 29. Top rusher  15 att, 46yds, 3.1per carry. They can't score, they can't stop anyone from scoring. JUST PLAIN PATHETIC!

I REPEAT, FIRE HULKOW AND BATEMAN NOW!!!!


I am thinking about wearing a brown paper bag over my head to the next game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: short on September 12, 2010, 08:34:19 AM
Sometimes it gets worse before it gets better!  Their problem is that they have no business playing school like Wittenberg, Elmhust, North Central, and Wheaton, in their non-miaa schedule.  Maybe one of those schools but no all of them.  Getting beat like that can kill a teams confidence before it gets started.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 12, 2010, 08:46:31 AM
Not to rub it in Bluffton's face, but it was actually 76-6... Chris Verley recorded his school record 11th blocked kick in the 1st quarter which really turned Trine's defense around. Bluffton started the game off by botching an onsides kick, which the kicker almost swung and missed the ball. Trine got the ball at the 29 because Bluffton was also offsides (on the onsides) so they got 5 more yards.

Trine is treating the trip up to River Falls like a playoff game. It'll be a true test of their skills early before heading into the MIAA schedule. It's the 2nd game of their 3-game roadtrip (3rd game is @ Adrian) and I'm looking forward to the trip. It's a 9-hour drive, which is going to make for a LONG weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 12, 2010, 08:59:14 AM
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 12, 2010, 08:46:31 AM
Not to rub it in Bluffton's face, but it was actually 76-6... Chris Verley recorded his school record 11th blocked kick in the 1st quarter which really turned Trine's defense around. Bluffton started the game off by botching an onsides kick, which the kicker almost swung and missed the ball. Trine got the ball at the 29 because Bluffton was also offsides (on the onsides) so they got 5 more yards.

Trine is treating the trip up to River Falls like a playoff game. It'll be a true test of their skills early before heading into the MIAA schedule. It's the 2nd game of their 3-game roadtrip (3rd game is @ Adrian) and I'm looking forward to the trip. It's a 9-hour drive, which is going to make for a LONG weekend.

Seems that some of the MIAA team really need to look at their schedule. Trine shouldl never be playing a team like Blufton and Olivet and others the opposite scenario. IMHO I thought K-zoo and Hope would get a win at home, but it did not happen. Except for Trine and Adrian, the conference race is becoming more clear already after week 2, in terms of who has strength 2010! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometAlum on September 12, 2010, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: short on September 12, 2010, 08:34:19 AM
Sometimes it gets worse before it gets better!  Their problem is that they have no business playing school like Wittenberg, Elmhust, North Central, and Wheaton, in their non-miaa schedule.  Maybe one of those schools but no all of them.  Getting beat like that can kill a teams confidence before it gets started.  

They knew who they were playing 8 months ago. They have had plenty of time to prepare for them and as the season goes on it is not going to get any easier. This majority of this coaching staff has no place in college football. Send those guys back to Marshall, bring in a head coach who has the competence to run a football program.

I put just as much blame on Heather Bateman for destroying what little football pride Olivet had. She was a horrible basketball coach and is a biased Atheletic Director. She knew what she was doing by hiring this guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 12, 2010, 02:07:46 PM
God Bless the NFL season!  Another day of the week which we can sit and watch football ALL day!  Everyone have a good Sunday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2010, 02:31:38 PM
I am almost speechless - note the key word "almost", my friends - however, most of you know that is probably impossible since I tend to be so "long winded" on here at times. ;D  Also, to Mr. Ypsi, I did see the students practicing for the Pull on Friday before our team bus left for Wisconsin - don't worry, we won't use you for the rope!  Despite being for "that other team" you're still my/our friend!

Nice little stadium for WLC - iron gates, bricked iron fencing, nice sign entrance to their athletic complex, synthetic field turf, nice permament home stands and press box and lighting (for the size of the school and crowds they can expect to get - both of which are small).  Fantastic huge bricked electronic scoreboard that any DI, DII or DIII school would love to have - only problem is they need to build a visitors locker room at the one endzone for visiting teams - a tent doesn't make it ::), not even at the h.s. level, although it is my understanding that is in the next phase.  Weather for the game actually turned out just fine.  After raining hard all morning, by game time it stopped, was pleasant and in the 4th quarter, the sun came out and it started to get humid.

Now to the main aspects: this has got to be the most disappointing point in Hope's program for many years.  Taking nothing away from WLC, our friend WLCAlum, congrats to your team.  I was impressed by the size of their players, several starting linemen in the range from 294, 297, and 304 and those guys were not slow.  The DB's were DI size safeties, hard hitters.  WLC is a good team - average I'd say and certainly tremendously improved from when they were in the MIAA and... they deserved to win the game - they came right back when Hope went ahead and did what they needed to do to win it.  However, Hope had its chances to win and could easily have been 2-0 right now.  After being behind 10-0 for 3 quarters, Hope came back to go ahead 14-10 with about just under 6 minutes left in the game.  Yet, mistakes allowed WLC to score with 2 min left (a 49 yrd run); Hope drives down to the 15 yard line, misses a TD pass (receiver falls down) and then misses on a 3rd and 4; sets up for the FG which would send it into OT and the kick is blocked right up the middle, the same as last week 3 times against IWU.


I have to say this:  it is NOT the coaching staff.  Overall, the players just don't seem to have that "desire to do what it takes to win", unfortunately.  The skill players are not making the plays and great players i.e. above average players make those plays.   You have to do that in order to win - you can't depend on lucky beaks here and there to win those close games.  I realize the "losing or disappoingting" mindset (attitude) is extremely difficult to change when a team is in a losing mode for such a long time - example is Northwestern and even our Olivet before their improved streak until the recent last 3 years - but it can be done as those teams demonstrated.  However, as much as I hate to say it, I think it will be a very long time before we get back to the level that Hope has known in the past - and part of that is due to the recruiting barriers (for which there are many various reasons that I will not go into here) even though one might say that Hope is in the same predicament at the DIII level that any DIII school is- although we all know in reality, that is not true as each school facdes its own challenges and difficulties in that regard.

The bottom line is, as much as I hate to say it, it could very well be another long season for Hope (of course, I hope that doesn't happen).

I was also surprised to see how bad Alma lost.  Trine score - not a surprise to me because Bluffton, while improved om what little I know of them and have heard, is not a very good team.  Still, as we all know, anything can happen in the MIAA race itself.  No one should take anyone lightly.  Talk to you all later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 12, 2010, 08:39:38 PM
Thanks for the accolades, this is the 8th yearl that WLC's utilized that facility. (Wasn't enough land availabe right at the main campus for a gridiron field.) Truth to tell, this poster thought it'd be another few years before WLC would ever knock off Hope. An overall record over .500 would be great for WLC's program. (have yet to beat Benedictine and Lakeland yet, and we know Concordia-Chicago will be gunning for us big time).

Good luck the rest of the season! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 12, 2010, 11:18:31 PM
formerd3db, you are right.  Changing a teams losing attitude can prove to be a daunting and time consuming task.  But it all starts at the top...the coaching staff.  I cant speak for Hope and their experience in this difficult time but I can speak for myself as I was a part of the Tri-State/Trine transition from 0-10 to 10-0.  I can tell you that although the coaching staff did a great job of recruiting young classes they did not come into a situation with a great number of players, great quality of players, or great size of players.  But what they did do is find those players that were going to sweat and bleed and work.  those that were going to buy into the idea that the past is the past and that we could create a new future.  They insipred and they also found players and students that could inspire.  Never underestimate the power of attitude.  It is always nice to have competitive conference play so I hope Hope finds out whatever works for them to become competitive again. 

And as for WLC, I remember playing at that nice field.  I agree about the locker rooms though.  We played them over 6 years ago and they still have those tents up?!  Hopefully they get something figured out there.  So how has WLC been doing in their programs history.  I know when we played we were both teams at the bottom of the barrel.  How has time treated you guys over these past 6 years?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 13, 2010, 08:07:20 AM
Since WLC moved over to the NAthCon our in-conference record has been better than it was our last 2 years in the MIAA, we still have yet to have a season with an overall record better than .500 however. (We still have yet to beat Lakeland, Concordia-WI and Benedictine, and we figure Concordia-Chicago will be gunning for us big time this year.)

Yeah, it's better, but not nearly as good as Tri-State/Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 13, 2010, 09:35:46 AM
Sitting in St. Louis looking at the scores - while my WSOC Scots dropped a heartbreaker to #3WASHU - I remembered exactly why I hate Trine.

Why would you beat someone 76-6? It goes against every bit of the word sportsmanship. The worst part is this is D3. It in the end means nothing. D3 doesn't mean beating someone 76-6. It's just absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 13, 2010, 10:04:24 AM
If you didn't see the Trine game then you don't know what was done to prevent the score from getting that high.  2nd and 3rd string players for the entire 2nd half.  Not returning punts.  Taking a knee on the last two possessions.  What would you have had Trine do?  Not playing is also disrespectful to the other team. 

It's easy to criticize when you don't know the facts.  No one was happy about this score.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 13, 2010, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2010, 09:35:46 AM
Sitting in St. Louis looking at the scores - while my WSOC Scots dropped a heartbreaker to #3WASHU - I remembered exactly why I hate Trine.

Why would you beat someone 76-6? It goes against every bit of the word sportsmanship. The worst part is this is D3. It in the end means nothing. D3 doesn't mean beating someone 76-6. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

The score does not tell a complete story.  Trine had all their starters out after the first half.  Should they have taken them out after the first quarter?  Bluffton played the first quarter tougher than the score indicated.  After the first half, Trine played 2nd / 3rd / 4th string / etc...  Even those players played well.  Trine is very deep with talent this year, and I suspect a lot of the 2nd and third team kids could start on other teams, and they were also eager to show what they can do after sitting on the bench.   If I am a 2nd or 3rd string player I am not going to let up...I want to show the coach I should be in and can play also.  I do not think you should tell kids to drop passes, miss tackles, etc... etc....  Most of the plays were run up the middle.   Bluffton also had turnovers and other miscues that did not help, including 5 fumbles.  Bluffton also had the ball for 33 minutes vs 26 for Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 13, 2010, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 12, 2010, 02:31:38 PM
only problem is they need to build a visitors locker room at the one endzone for visiting teams - a tent doesn't make it ::), not even at the h.s. level, although it is my understanding that is in the next phase. 

The visitors locker room has been the "next phase" for years, I cant believe its still not done.  We played there back in 2005 and they had a tent, word then was the visitors locker room was the next step.

That being said I was shocked to check the MIAA scores and see WLC pull off the upset of Hope, its been a while since Ive seen WLC but beating Hope is a big win either way based on past history.  Hope seems to be on very hard times now for quite a stretch, amazing to see as they were the model of consistency in the MIAA.

As for Trine vs. Bluffton, Bluffton is a bad football team, the school doesnt invest the resources to win, or compete at this point, the coaching staff is under paid and under manned and that hurts all phases of the program from recruiting on down.  No one should be mad at 2nd and 3rd string players for scoring, they want to play the game too and if Bluffton coudlnt stop third string football players they need to reevaluate where they are with there program and where they are going.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 13, 2010, 11:58:53 AM
It was tough talking about the game. I tried to put myself in Bluffton's shoes and remembered that Trine was in that same exact place 6 years ago when Albion came down to Angola and stomped on the Thunder 73-0 at homecoming.

I believe the halftime score was 44-6. They really did take out quite a few of their starters... even #11, Brock Reinig, moved from DE (he recorded a sack) to 3rd string QB at the end and just took knees and handed the ball off.

The fact of the matter is, if Trine wanted to run up the score, it could have been 120-6.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 13, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Random Thoughts (something must change):

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

18 game losing streak in non-MIAA games dating back to 2004 season.

Dean Kreps, career non-MIAA record, 10-38, .208 winning percentage, 3-23 (.115) since 2002 season.

Unacceptable?

I have updated my post from this time last year, 10-40, .200 winning percentage, 3-25 (.107) since 2002 season.
I know that I will get ripped repeatedly for this post, but them the facts!
Formerd3db, I love your posts and respect your insight, but I must disagree with your assessment of players vs coaches, many players have changed since 2002, many losses have not and coaches have not.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 13, 2010, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on September 13, 2010, 10:04:24 AM
If you didn't see the Trine game then you don't know what was done to prevent the score from getting that high.  2nd and 3rd string players for the entire 2nd half.  Not returning punts.  Taking a knee on the last two possessions.  What would you have had Trine do?  Not playing is also disrespectful to the other team.  

It's easy to criticize when you don't know the facts.  No one was happy about this score.

A huge whitewash of a game, does not do much for either team IMHO. For the victors a change to play about eveyone. The team who lost, a real quandry as to where is their program. You cannot fault a team who plays all the  players and still wins big. Buflton needs to determine many things, but keeping your head up and moving on will be the real coaching challenge, the other factors will take more time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 13, 2010, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2010, 09:35:46 AM


Why would you beat someone 76-6? It goes against every bit of the word sportsmanship. The worst part is this is D3. It in the end means nothing. D3 doesn't mean beating someone 76-6. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

The scots didn't exactly backdown in the Scotgun when things were clicking with that offense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2010, 03:11:18 PM
I don't see a huge difference between 76-6 and the 64-7 that Alma beat Olivet with in 2001.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 13, 2010, 05:09:45 PM
I was at that Alma/Olivet game in 2001.  As others on here have already pointed out, a lopsided game does little good for either team.  Starters were pulled of course, just as I'm sure Trine did on Saturday.  Pretty much any school that has been around football awhile has been involved in a whitewash, on either side of the outcome.  Prejudice aside, I think those of us with the MIAA should be happy for the fact that Trine is a strong program this year.  Let's not be too critical of each other's respective teams for something that is often tough to avoid, only makes a few fans on the winning side happy, and most schools could be accused of at some point in their history.  I for one wish Trine continued success.  They seem to be carrying the banner for our MIAA this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 13, 2010, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: sac on September 13, 2010, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2010, 09:35:46 AM


Why would you beat someone 76-6? It goes against every bit of the word sportsmanship. The worst part is this is D3. It in the end means nothing. D3 doesn't mean beating someone 76-6. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

The scots didn't exactly backdown in the Scotgun when things were clicking with that offense.

The last blow-out win for the Scots (2009 51-3 over Rockford) After the 1st quarter no TDs were scored throwing the ball.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
BOYA87 and section7:

Thanks for your kind comments and I also respect your own opinions.  I have been around Hope's program for a long time and I will share this with you.  I realize what you both are saying and, in most instances, that is true.  However, when the coaching staff instructs players repeatedly about some specific action they are supposed to do and that player/those players continually fail to perform that specific action, that is not on the coaching staff.  It is absolutely true that coaches don't play the games, and that, as you say, it is their responsibility to instill enthusiasm, perseverence and the will to win.  Hope's coaches are have been trying to do that, while at the same time not be too overly harsh on players - the latter can be just as detrimental.  The bottom line is that, unfortunately, our players have simply not made the plays or perform their duties to do what it takes to win, especially some of the more verteran players.  Certainly, there have been some bright spots and I truely believe Hope is improved somewhat from last year.  However, the players have not played up to their potential and that is not the coaches fault.  The have done everything they can to insight being upbeat, postive, enthusiastic.  But, again, you can't force players to have the will to win and or play.  Also, four blocked kicks right up the middle in two games - somethings wrong and it isn't the coaches for that one.  Perhaps Coach Kreps and his staff need to make some changes in the lineup, although I know there are people who have doubts that would even be helpful at this time.  Again, my point was players have to make the tough plays to win close games and they just haven't done it.  Coach Kreps even went out of his routine this past game to make some "gutsy" calls, when some of us weren't quite so sure.  Luckly, a couple of those plays turned out, yet unfortunately, the others did not when we needed it the most.

I'm not intending to be disrespectful or down on the players.  I'm just simply stating the truth of the situation as it now stands.  As I said, I hope this changes or it will be a long season.  On the other hand, if we had won those two close games, then people would be singing a different tune I'm sure, yet there would still be some areas of concern.  But that is a natural occurance for any team regardless.  Just MHO ;D  Anyway, obviously takiing one week at a time is the only thing that can be done.  This is a new week. :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2010, 07:26:20 PM
Hey DAWG:

Glad to have you back on the board!  You've been away for quite some time.  Please don't be a stranger :)  Your posts and insight has been a fine contribution here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 14, 2010, 12:00:11 AM
can anyone remember the travel roster size for away games?!  I know in the playoffs its something like 52 but during the season I think you can travel upwards of 60 players.  I am sure if Trine played Blufton at home in which they dressed their 100+ players that they have on their team, there would have been 5th 6th and 7th string players in, but regardless it was an away game and most teams only have the luxury of sending their 1st 2nd and hopefully most of their 3rd string players.  As a Trine fan I never want to see a score run up in the name of sportsmanship but I am also extrememly proud of the many young and hungry players Trine has who are willing to go out and work hard at a point in the game that really doesnt matter.  Were all of us not taught to never give up?  To treat every down like its your last?  Congrats on another great performance Trine!  and if you can take that attitude and desire into every game then its going to be a hell of a season! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2010, 12:34:35 AM
Conference games are usually run by conference rules. For non-conference games, traveling parties are sometimes agreed to in the contract.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 14, 2010, 09:05:20 AM
FYI...

I talked to Coach Land this morning and there isn't a set limit, rules-wise on the number a program can bring. However, it comes down to budget restrictions. Trine brought 70 players on Saturday and every single one of them was listed on the participation report.

Of course, playoff games are different.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on September 14, 2010, 09:34:18 AM
I have been on both sides of games that have gotten out of hand.  Most notably the 73-0 loss to Albion on Tri-States homecoming a few years ago.  Although there were some hurt feelings, lessons were learned in that game that helped turn the program around.  Hopefully the same can be said in a few years for Bluffton.

Knowing Coach Land, he in no way intentionally ran up the score.  He is a very demanding and competitive coach, but he has the upmost respect for his peers.  As has been said before, he played reserves for most of the second half.  You cant expect the 2nd and 3rd stringers to take it easy.  They are going to play their butts off whenever they get a chance.  Land getting all 70 players on the field is quite a feat (i wish that happened more often, i could have padded my stats - or at least had some stats).  I wouldn't for a second commend him for putting up a 70 point win, but i would commend him very much for getting some of these palyers experience and in doing so, prepping his team to win in the future.

Looking forward to next week, I wish the Thunder the best of luck in their first big test of the season.  These long trips bring a new dynamic to game day, getting the players and coaches out of  their comfort zone of the normal game day routine. I am excited to see how they respond.  Hopefully they stay disciplined and come out with a victory against their toughest opponent so far.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 14, 2010, 03:49:14 PM
Having become more and more familiar with the WIAC conference in the past few years, IMHO, Trine will have a tough go at UW-RF. If there was a line on the game it might be Trine to win by 7 -10, since they are 2-0 and RF is 0-2, but UW-RF played #11 Ohio Northern away and lost another game away to a ranked St. Thomas. Trine has not had a tough game and has a 500 mile ride to Wisconsin, so we see if those factors have an impact. :-\

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OnAirThunder on September 14, 2010, 04:36:44 PM
I'm more concerned about my travel than Trine's. Coach Land talked about it briefly in our pregame show that they were going to treat it like a playoff game. The guys would get on the bus, watch a movie, take a nap, and they would be there. They're leaving campus at 10 AM which will put them up in WI-RF around dinner/bed time.

One thing that I've learned about this coaching staff and this team is that they are able to put on the blinders, ignore almost everything around them, and focus on the task at hand.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2010, 06:18:18 PM
I was really hoping to get to that game but we had a death in the family this week so I will be traveling, but not for football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: maripp2002 on September 14, 2010, 06:58:33 PM
Pat, sorry to hear that, my condolences.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
Yes, Pat, very sorry to hear about the death in your family.  I will keep you and the family members in thought and prayer.  It is never easy, regardless of how close the relative is.  God Bless and safe travels.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2010, 08:36:14 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 14, 2010, 12:00:11 AM
can anyone remember the travel roster size for away games?!  I know in the playoffs its something like 52 but during the season I think you can travel upwards of 60 players.  I am sure if Trine played Blufton at home in which they dressed their 100+ players that they have on their team, there would have been 5th 6th and 7th string players in, but regardless it was an away game and most teams only have the luxury of sending their 1st 2nd and hopefully most of their 3rd string players.  As a Trine fan I never want to see a score run up in the name of sportsmanship but I am also extrememly proud of the many young and hungry players Trine has who are willing to go out and work hard at a point in the game that really doesnt matter.  Were all of us not taught to never give up?  To treat every down like its your last?  Congrats on another great performance Trine!  and if you can take that attitude and desire into every game then its going to be a hell of a season! 
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2010, 12:34:35 AM
Conference games are usually run by conference rules. For non-conference games, traveling parties are sometimes agreed to in the contract.
Quote from: OnAirThunder on September 14, 2010, 09:05:20 AM
FYI...

I talked to Coach Land this morning and there isn't a set limit, rules-wise on the number a program can bring. However, it comes down to budget restrictions. Trine brought 70 players on Saturday and every single one of them was listed on the participation report.

Of course, playoff games are different.

Hope traveled with 53 players this past weekend to the WLC game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 14, 2010, 09:49:45 PM
When I started out at Adrian we took one bus full of players and then a 12 person van, probably around 55 or so players tops.  By the time I left there we were traveling with 2 full sized buses for road games, so our roster had ballooned, it came in handy for large wins, but other than that it was just a lot of bodies and a more crowded vistors locker room.

Im curious to see the scores this weekend, Adrian faces another tough test in Augustana after a lesser opponent in Defiance, itll be another measuring stick game for them to see where they are really at as a team both offensively and defensively.  Hope @ Milikin and Trine @ UW RF are two other intriguing games.  It would be nice to see Hope get off the losing streak they are on and Trine will be testing itself against some very good talent which could make for their first test on the year.  I may be taking in the Albion game this weekend, not sure yet as no plans are set and my car is acting up a bit which may prevent the drive.

formerd3db:

Ill be in and out, probably not as in depth as I have been in the past things have picked up on my end with new job, planning a wedding, home ownership etc and the changes that were made at Adrian, not as heavily invested as I had been at the moment, no hard feelings towards the program or staff, but the administration is another story.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on September 15, 2010, 08:14:03 AM
Yeah I heard the story of how they fired the HC at Adrian.  Very unprofessional and disrespectful to a man who had served the college so long.

Adrian will be in for a tough test in Augie who we know in the CCIW as a perennial contender.  Like the top 4-5 teams in the CCIW, Augie could enter most other D3 leagues and win it year in and year out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 15, 2010, 10:22:56 AM
Lakeshore:

Augie has always been a tough team, the first year schedule for Coach Deere at Adrian isnt doing him any favors @ UWW, home against Augie, @ Depauw.  A tough non conference schedule for anyone, Defiance is the only easy non con game they had and they open their conference play against Trine, it could shape up to be a very tough first 6 weeks with Olivet and Defiance being the lower tier games in that stretch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 15, 2010, 10:48:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2010, 12:34:35 AM
Conference games are usually run by conference rules. For non-conference games, traveling parties are sometimes agreed to in the contract.

My condolences for your loss, Pat. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 15, 2010, 10:53:07 AM
Pat, thoughts and prayers with you and your family.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dumezrules on September 16, 2010, 08:15:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 13, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
BOYA87 and section7:

Thanks for your kind comments and I also respect your own opinions.  I have been around Hope's program for a long time and I will share this with you.  I realize what you both are saying and, in most instances, that is true.  However, when the coaching staff instructs players repeatedly about some specific action they are supposed to do and that player/those players continually fail to perform that specific action, that is not on the coaching staff.  It is absolutely true that coaches don't play the games, and that, as you say, it is their responsibility to instill enthusiasm, perseverence and the will to win.  Hope's coaches are have been trying to do that, while at the same time not be too overly harsh on players - the latter can be just as detrimental.  The bottom line is that, unfortunately, our players have simply not made the plays or perform their duties to do what it takes to win, especially some of the more verteran players.  Certainly, there have been some bright spots and I truely believe Hope is improved somewhat from last year.  However, the players have not played up to their potential and that is not the coaches fault.  The have done everything they can to insight being upbeat, postive, enthusiastic.  But, again, you can't force players to have the will to win and or play.  Also, four blocked kicks right up the middle in two games - somethings wrong and it isn't the coaches for that one.  Perhaps Coach Kreps and his staff need to make some changes in the lineup, although I know there are people who have doubts that would even be helpful at this time.  Again, my point was players have to make the tough plays to win close games and they just haven't done it.  Coach Kreps even went out of his routine this past game to make some "gutsy" calls, when some of us weren't quite so sure.  Luckly, a couple of those plays turned out, yet unfortunately, the others did not when we needed it the most.

I'm not intending to be disrespectful or down on the players.  I'm just simply stating the truth of the situation as it now stands.  As I said, I hope this changes or it will be a long season.  On the other hand, if we had won those two close games, then people would be singing a different tune I'm sure, yet there would still be some areas of concern.  But that is a natural occurance for any team regardless.  Just MHO ;D  Anyway, obviously takiing one week at a time is the only thing that can be done.  This is a new week. :)



Hope players have not played up to their potential for years...eventually that has to come back to coaching....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dumezrules on September 16, 2010, 08:17:07 AM
Quote from: section7 on September 13, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Random Thoughts (something must change):

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

18 game losing streak in non-MIAA games dating back to 2004 season.

Dean Kreps, career non-MIAA record, 10-38, .208 winning percentage, 3-23 (.115) since 2002 season.

Unacceptable?

I have updated my post from this time last year, 10-40, .200 winning percentage, 3-25 (.107) since 2002 season.
I know that I will get ripped repeatedly for this post, but them the facts!
Formerd3db, I love your posts and respect your insight, but I must disagree with your assessment of players vs coaches, many players have changed since 2002, many losses have not and coaches have not.

You will also notice that the head coach repeatedly calls our players in the media for mistakes....not a good way to motivate
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 16, 2010, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: dumezrules on September 16, 2010, 08:17:07 AM
Quote from: section7 on September 13, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Random Thoughts (something must change):

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

18 game losing streak in non-MIAA games dating back to 2004 season.

Dean Kreps, career non-MIAA record, 10-38, .208 winning percentage, 3-23 (.115) since 2002 season.

Unacceptable?

I have updated my post from this time last year, 10-40, .200 winning percentage, 3-25 (.107) since 2002 season.
I know that I will get ripped repeatedly for this post, but them the facts!
Formerd3db, I love your posts and respect your insight, but I must disagree with your assessment of players vs coaches, many players have changed since 2002, many losses have not and coaches have not.

You will also notice that the head coach repeatedly calls our players in the media for mistakes....not a good way to motivate

Then is time for the Hope Administrators to start cleaning house with the coaches. The question is why have they not done so already? Maybe Formerd3db has some inside information on this! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on September 16, 2010, 10:18:46 AM
I am watching this weeks Trine/UWO game closely. I was very impressed with Trine when Wheaton played them in Angola in 2008 playoffs and subsequently they have been able to reload and have fairly handily won the MIAA. Last years playoff success was not surprising and now playing a tough game against a solid WIAC team on the road will be a great indicator of where their program has come. I personally think Trine is poised to take the next step in D3 to be a consistent playoff team and top 15 program each year. We will soon see.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 16, 2010, 05:18:40 PM
Good luck with that.  I think you mean you'll be watching the Trine/UW-RF game closely.  Trine plays UW-River Falls and Oshkosh has a bye. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2010, 07:37:50 PM
Quote from: dumezrules on September 16, 2010, 08:17:07 AM
Quote from: section7 on September 13, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Random Thoughts (something must change):

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

18 game losing streak in non-MIAA games dating back to 2004 season.

Dean Kreps, career non-MIAA record, 10-38, .208 winning percentage, 3-23 (.115) since 2002 season.

Unacceptable?

I have updated my post from this time last year, 10-40, .200 winning percentage, 3-25 (.107) since 2002 season.
I know that I will get ripped repeatedly for this post, but them the facts!
Formerd3db, I love your posts and respect your insight, but I must disagree with your assessment of players vs coaches, many players have changed since 2002, many losses have not and coaches have not.

You will also notice that the head coach repeatedly calls our players in the media for mistakes....not a good way to motivate

dumezrules:

Cite a (or some) SPECIFIC documentation (examples) of this please.  I have never seen Coach Kreps or the other staff members be vindictive about that at all.  I would hope that coaches "tell it like it is" in the media, rather than attempting to "sugar coat" the situation.  Neither is he or the staff the kind of people who make excuses for themselves (i.e. like trying to save their jobs if you are implying or hinting? at such).  As we all know, coaches don't play the games.  When players, including their replacements, make the same repeated mistakes time and time again, that is NOT the fault of coaching - if you believe otherwise, that is simply misguided ;)  If the talent is not there, no coaching job is going to salvage that, regardless of how motivational or great, it's not going to happen.  I don't want to get into a "p******" match here as far the discussion is concerned; rather I'm just relating the truth of the situation.  

While no one likes losing, as you well know, there are much more important life aspects than the W-L column involved in coaching/teaching these young men in many atributes, especially at this level and the current staff is exemplary of those standards.  Anyway, I think we all know where all of us stand on this topic now that we've expressed our opinions on such. Again, I respect yours as well as the others here.  I will try to refrain from further comment on this.  I guess we'll obviously just have to see how this all plays out in the future.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on September 16, 2010, 09:29:01 PM
Bhawk-

Thanks for the correction. I was thinking river falls and typed oshkosh. You knew what I meant to think I said though :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 17, 2010, 06:53:44 AM
ROAD TRIP!!  13 hours to River Falls, WI...

Good luck to all of the MIAA teams this weekend.  Everyone travel safely.

GO THUNDER!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2010, 02:53:24 PM
Pat and entire D3.com staff:

Wow, fantastic new website design!  Congratulations!  It looks very nice and easy to navigate around in.  Thanks so much.  You have come a long way since 1999. 

Best to you all,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 17, 2010, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: USee on September 16, 2010, 10:18:46 AM
I am watching this weeks Trine/UWO game closely. I was very impressed with Trine when Wheaton played them in Angola in 2008 playoffs and subsequently they have been able to reload and have fairly handily won the MIAA. Last years playoff success was not surprising and now playing a tough game against a solid WIAC team on the road will be a great indicator of where their program has come. I personally think Trine is poised to take the next step in D3 to be a consistent playoff team and top 15 program each year. We will soon see.



Solid WIAC team? UWRF is very beatable. Alma should have taken them down last year, but a 100+ yard INT TD and a couple other tourovers in UWRF territory cost them big time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 17, 2010, 09:54:30 PM
If Trine wins at UW-RF, they will IMHO be not only the MIAA conference winner, but will have the opportunity to go farther in the playoffs this year.

That said, each game going forward means that anything is possible, but I like their chances!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 17, 2010, 10:05:32 PM
Our Canadian friends recently had their own version of "Leon Lett"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ogI_K-JmCc&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on September 18, 2010, 04:18:35 PM
Trine 28 River Falls 14 with about 10 min to go in the 4th.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on September 18, 2010, 07:45:25 PM
A really solid win for the Thunder this afternoon....35 to 14!   Actually it could have been 42 to 14 but Trine elected to take a couple of knees at the end of the game (are those of you who accused the Thunder of running up the Bluffton score listening?)  instead of getting another score.  I've not seen any stats but the Thunder pretty much owned the second half after the first half resulted in a 14-14 tie.  For those around the nation who had doubted Trine I'd say the doubts were answered.  This is a team playing with confidence and is a team to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 18, 2010, 07:57:35 PM
I just read the recap of the Trine game that D3 had posted and WOW!!  Here's a little clip of it

"Hence would finish the day with four receptions for 104 yards.  He also ran 10 times for 107 yards to lead Trine (3-0)

Watt, a 2010 Gagliardi Trophy candidate, connected on 11-of-17 passes for 202 yards and three touchdowns. He also rushed for 89 yards on 14 carries.  The Thunder pounded out 515 yards of total offense, including 313 yards rushing. UWRF (0-3) tallied 270 yards of offense,  104 passing."

1st of all, props on the new website...it looks great!

2nd, I am 1000 times suprised about how this Trine teams identity is taking shape this year.  With all of this talent at the specialty positions returning with tons of experience (Watt, Curtis, Wyman, Hence) I would have thought we would be burning up the skies!  But look at these rushing yards!  This team is just as tough and gritty as ever willing to plow through defenses and win games the old fashion way.  But dont you dare for a second try to take that run game away because you know Watts experience in the backfield and his smart and athletic recievers are going to make you pay the 2nd you commit to taking away the run. This offense is so balanced that I think its scary.  Perhaps this is all yards pilled up on poor opponents who it would be unfair and inconsiderate to air a full out air born attack on them, but still this run game is looking pretty good.

3rd, I am not one to look at individual stats and think to much into them because football is the ultimate team sport, but look at the numbers that Hence put up.  104 yds on 4 catches (26 yds per catch!!!!!)  10 rushes for 107 yds (almost 11 yds per carry!!!!!!)  This kid is a joy to watch run around the field and the Trine O line is allowing him some great opportunities to spread his young wings!


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on September 18, 2010, 08:35:18 PM
Formerd3db-After reviewing todays Heidelberg games, Alma may actually be quite bad
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 18, 2010, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 18, 2010, 08:35:18 PM
Formerd3db-After reviewing todays Heidelberg games, Alma may actually be quite bad

My thoughts (fears) exactly. 

Alma trailed Rockford, a team they blew out last year on the road, 10-3 at the end of the 3rd quarter.  11 penalties for a total of 111 yards is just inexcusable.  I know some folks on the board have been questioning Hope's current situation (how responsible is the coach for lack of non-conference wins, etc.).  Many of the same questions can be raised regarding Alma.  It seems we have seen the tale of a sub-par defense and inconsistent Scot-gun offense mixed in with an embarrassing number of penalties repeated over the last couple of years.  The last three seasons Alma has gone 5-5, and it looks like it will be a miracle if they can accomplish that this year.  Where is the program going?  My hope is this is the end of the slide and coach Cole can get things back on the right track.  I have the same hope for a number of other MIAA programs, as things look pretty shaky right now around the league.  Our bright spot is Trine.  Another nice win today!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 18, 2010, 11:02:29 PM
miaafbfan,

I feel your pain. :(  I know nothing about Ky. Wesleyan (except that they used to be one helluva basketball team), but another 5-5 would indeed be a miracle.  I don't really see any winnable games in the MIAA except Kazoo and Olivet, and they may not even be favored in those.  I'd think 2-8 is realistic (beating either Kazoo or Olivet, but not both).  The MIAA desperately needs a rebound by Hope and a rise by the lower teams.  Let's not become the MWC or NathCon! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on September 19, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
yes it sounds like trine is really good this year  hopefully hope gets there 1st win this week at  home it would be nice to see them get some wins going
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 19, 2010, 10:11:01 AM
Quote from: seventiesraider on September 18, 2010, 08:35:18 PM
Formerd3db-After reviewing todays Heidelberg games, Alma may actually be quite bad

There's no doubt that Alma is on a down year. We had a d2 transfer, and a Jr. QB playing during camp, the Jr. quit when he was named 2nd QB. The transfer was ruled academically ineligable the day before the first game. The scots started a true freshman for the first time in 8 years. He has not completely grasped the offense yet...not to mention losing 4 of the top 5 WRs from last year.

On d the secondary had a HUGE turn-over. Almas DBs are young and inexperienced - aside from Scotty Cole who has played amazing through 3.

The scots threw some new things at Rockford which seemed to be very affective, including a Wild Cat with Andrew Schaar. And for the first time I had ever seen, the Scots had a fullback, in big Ed Mason. The 250 lb LB.

The scots need to be able to run the ball more affectively this season with the FR QB. Althogh, i dont see that happening....unless - just throwing this out there - Andrew Schaar converted into a full-time RB....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 19, 2010, 01:40:10 PM
Mr. Ypsi and sflzman,

Thanks for your insights.  That is a good sign that Alma might be trying some new ideas when the status quo isn't working.  As for their record at the end of this year, 2-8 certainly would be disappointing, but not unlikely.  Alma last finished under .500 in 1996 (4-5).  I don't know anything about Kentucky Wesleyan, other than that they are DII.  I'll have to do some digging before I post my pick-ems. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 19, 2010, 02:11:42 PM
I thought that Adrian would perform better this past weekend, and at this point IMHO, I do not see anyone in the MIAA to challenge Trine this year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 19, 2010, 04:02:45 PM
It will be interesting if Trine moves up in the rankings.

Trine wins at UW River Falls  35-14.

UWRF loses at #11 Ohio Northern  35-21.  If you look at the score and the location, it looks like Trine played them better than Ohio Northern.

UWRF loses at #4 St Thomas 27-3.  Would the score have been closer if it were at UWRF?  Maybe? 

Guess we are just fortunate that Trine was able to play UWRF as well as they did, compared to the #4 and #11 teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2010, 06:13:46 PM
Indeed, it looks like Trine is on track to steamroll to the MIAA title this year, and...probably will.  However, having been around the MIAA for a long time, I would just metion that several times in past years when that has appeared to be the case for some other teams, it is not a "given".  The MIAA has been a very unpredictable league when it comes down to the league games, including when Albion was on their roll for that decade in the '90's.  At times, when it came down toward the end, sometimes someone either gets upset or, at the very least, just gets by with a win, when in all liklihood, they should have blasted the other team.

I am not suggesting at all that Trine will take their situation for granted and get over-confident.  Not having seen them play yet and obviously only going on what has been posted here on our board, my own opinion at this time is that, again, they'll probably roll on to the title - at least for now, nothing would suggest otherwise.  Yet, I also think that they might just end up having a tough time with one of the MIAA teams upcoming in the league race.  You never know, but certainly that remains to be seen.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 19, 2010, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on September 19, 2010, 01:40:10 PM
Mr. Ypsi and sflzman,

Thanks for your insights.  That is a good sign that Alma might be trying some new ideas when the status quo isn't working.  As for their record at the end of this year, 2-8 certainly would be disappointing, but not unlikely.  Alma last finished under .500 in 1996 (4-5).  I don't know anything about Kentucky Wesleyan, other than that they are DII.  I'll have to do some digging before I post my pick-ems. 

About KWC -

Heard they have enough talent to share. Supposedly very good D2 talent, with a Ju-Co coaching staff. So they should be too much to handle. But you can read into that however you would like.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2010, 09:28:51 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 19, 2010, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on September 19, 2010, 01:40:10 PM
Mr. Ypsi and sflzman,

Thanks for your insights.  That is a good sign that Alma might be trying some new ideas when the status quo isn't working.  As for their record at the end of this year, 2-8 certainly would be disappointing, but not unlikely.  Alma last finished under .500 in 1996 (4-5).  I don't know anything about Kentucky Wesleyan, other than that they are DII.  I'll have to do some digging before I post my pick-ems.  

About KWC -

Heard they have enough talent to share. Supposedly very good D2 talent, with a Ju-Co coaching staff. So they should be too much to handle. But you can read into that however you would like.

Actually, KWC in the past has been a non-scholarship DII program (in the same "vein" as the current non-scholarship programs that are in the FCS i.e. the former DI-AA non-scholarship programs).  While not having great teams in the past, they haven't been horrible either from what I recall.  Admittedly, however, I have not checked their website recently and as such, I am not sure if they have changed their program to a scholarship type or have remained a non-scholarship program.  If they are the former,  then Alma might possibly have a tough time this year.  Yet as you say, perhaps any of us "could read into that" since we really don't know much about KWC.  Thus, it obviously will be interesting to see what happens in the game.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 19, 2010, 10:25:47 PM
KWC hasn't had a winning season in the past 4 and I stopped at 2006 when they went 0-11.

09---2-9
08---4-7
07---3-8
06---0-11

They are 2-1 thus far, with their only loss to Indianapolis.  UI recently took D2 #1 Grand Valley State to the wire.

KWC's website:   http://www.kwcpanthers.com/index.aspx?path=football&

They seem to have a ton of Freshmen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 20, 2010, 07:37:17 AM
KWC Also has a 350 lb. nose tackle. Alma's offensive line averages 258.4 lbs in size.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2010, 07:47:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 19, 2010, 06:13:46 PM
Indeed, it looks like Trine is on track to steamroll to the MIAA title this year, and...probably will.  However, having been around the MIAA for a long time, I would just metion that several times in past years when that has appeared to be the case for some other teams, it is not a "given".  The MIAA has been a very unpredictable league when it comes down to the league games, including when Albion was on their roll for that decade in the '90's.  At times, when it came down toward the end, sometimes someone either gets upset or, at the very least, just gets by with a win, when in all liklihood, they should have blasted the other team.

I am not suggesting at all that Trine will take their situation for granted and get over-confident.  Not having seen them play yet and obviously only going on what has been posted here on our board, my own opinion at this time is that, again, they'll probably roll on to the title - at least for now, nothing would suggest otherwise.  Yet, I also think that they might just end up having a tough time with one of the MIAA teams upcoming in the league race.  You never know, but certainly that remains to be seen.



Every year there have been some close games for Trine that but for a play or two could possibly have caused the outcome to change.  As you point out, former d3db, I don't think they should take the conference lightly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2010, 04:16:49 PM
Thanks for the info sac re: KWU and nice job on that.  As I mentioned, they weren't a great team, yet despite their records of recent as you've noted, they weren't totally inept either.  It appears they are improving and as we've discussed, I think Alma may have a challenge especially since it is down there in KY at KWU's home field.

Uncle Rico:  yes, there is always a game like that which causes a "little heartburn"! ;D  Anyway, I am looking forward to when we (Hope) play you guys this year.  It would be great to finally meet you and some of your Trine colleagues.  Good luck this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 20, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
After the first few weeks on the season, we know Trine is the conference leader thus far. Who will be competiting for the number two slot? Before the season I would have said Adrian, but now I am not so sure! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 20, 2010, 06:18:26 PM
I have been thinking Albion all the way. Clinton Orr is a beast. Before the season I was thinking the most intriguing battle would be Adrian/Alma/Hope for 3rd....but with Alma's QB situation they've definately dropped off of that list.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2010, 06:36:21 PM
sflzman:

So what is the latest on Alma's QB situation?  Has Leister definitely been ruled ineligable for the season due to academic credit transfer issues?  I haven't had the chance to check with my "inside" Alma sources at that college.  Anyway, IMO, Alma will still be a dangerous team for anyone in the conference - could be the spoiler.  They've done that in recent years.  For sure, it will be interesting to see how they respond.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 20, 2010, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 20, 2010, 06:36:21 PM
sflzman:

So what is the latest on Alma's QB situation?  Has Liester definitely been ruled ineligable for the season due to academic credit transfer issues?  I haven't had the chance to check with my "inside" Alma sources at that college.  Anyway, IMO, Alma will still be a dangerous team for anyone in the conference - could be the spoiler.  They've done that in recent years.  For sure, it will be interesting to see how they respond.

"Officially" it is still open to NCAA rule.

"Unofficially" Leister will be ineligable for the season. If the NCAA has not made an official ruling yet than I doubt one will be made later. At this point we can consider it Ross Richard or bust...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 22, 2010, 02:04:04 PM
Good luck to Albion, they will need more than that at UW-Stevens Point!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 24, 2010, 10:50:56 AM
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1916544674/Hope-football-player-Eddie-Thornton-driven-by-memories-of-parents
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2010, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 24, 2010, 10:50:56 AM
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1916544674/Hope-football-player-Eddie-Thornton-driven-by-memories-of-parents

section7:
Thanks for posting/sharing this article with us.  I'm sure everyone will agree that it puts things in perspective, especially at the DIII level.  It also, IMO, shows what kind of coach Kreps is, his value to the College, its football program and to the student-athletes and their families, more than any W-L will ever do. ;)  What could possibly be more important? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 24, 2010, 03:40:35 PM
Formerd3db,

Will Hope win this weekend??? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2010, 08:14:47 PM
Raider68:

I will "go out on a limb" and say yes.  Indeed, I do hope so (no pun intended).  However, as I've mentioned to other people this week, I have this slight apprehension (that I'm trying to bury out of my thought process) that we might end up losing another one.  From the way we have been playing, it wouldn't surprise me, yet it obviously would be most disappointing.

Anyway, I know I don't have to ask the same question about your Mount team tomorrow! :)

BTW, from the current weather reports, most of the Midwest region is supposed to have decent weather for tomorrow's games.  Perhaps a little windy, but a nice partly cloudy fall day.  Let's hope that prediction holds.
I wish all of our colleagues on here a safe drive tomorrow as you travel to the games and an enjoyable weekend.  Best of luck to your teams. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 25, 2010, 08:20:54 AM
Formerd3db,

I have "hope" that your alma mater will win this week and I picked them. Mount will win big, but HScoach's plus 49.5 pts is alot. Not sure if K-zoo wins away at Benedictine though.

Great fall weekend weather, good luck to the MIAA teams.  :) Albion could have a long day however!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
I am not saying Albion will win, but I don't think it will be a blowout - closer than some are expecting.  They gave Wheaton a fairly close game and Wheaton is ranked higher than UWSP.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 25, 2010, 03:44:26 PM
Wow, Alma's holding there own in the first against D-2 Kentucky Wesleyan. Alma really should be up 17-7, at least 17-14. You can see where KWC's size is coming into play, a PAT deflected (and bounced around the uprights, and in) and a FG blocked and returned for a TD.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2010, 04:07:03 PM
I don't believe Kentucky Wesleyan gives scholarships in football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 25, 2010, 05:04:41 PM
Not a banner day for the MIAA as Hope drops to 0-4 with a 27-12 loss at home to Lakeland, and Albion falls to 1-3 with a 59-14 pasting by UW Stevens Point.

Alma seems to be holding up surprisingly well down at Kentucky Wesleyan.  Last score I heard had things all tied up at 28 very early in the 4th quarter.  Let's hope they can pull off a win and even things up at 2-2.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2010, 05:15:00 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
I am not saying Albion will win, but I don't think it will be a blowout - closer than some are expecting.  They gave Wheaton a fairly close game and Wheaton is ranked higher than UWSP.

I won't make a living predicting football scores, that's obvious....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 26, 2010, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2010, 05:15:00 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
I am not saying Albion will win, but I don't think it will be a blowout - closer than some are expecting.  They gave Wheaton a fairly close game and Wheaton is ranked higher than UWSP.

I won't make a living predicting football scores, that's obvious....

lol, we all have our off days... :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 26, 2010, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2010, 04:07:03 PM
I don't believe Kentucky Wesleyan gives scholarships in football.

Pat, they did not in the past.  As far as I know, that hasn't changed - at least I haven't heard or seen any announcements.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 26, 2010, 05:04:39 PM
Gentlemen:

I'm not sure what to say; I'm almost speechless (I'm sure that might surprise some of you since you know how long some of my "dissertations" are here at times ;D).  Hope is now 0-4.  Self destruction again.  Extra points blocked, INT for a TD that stops cold what might have been the "go-ahead" drive, as well as other same mistakes as in the last 3 games.  Congrats to Lakeland for a tough fought contest - they deserved to win.  BTW, one of their players sustained a fractured ankle, so my thoughts and prayers go to him for a speedy recovery.  I'm sure his team's win somewhat made his injury/pain slightly more bearable (at least that is what he was heard to say).

The weatherpeople were sure wrong about yesterday and this entire weekend for that matter.  It was overcast all day, colder and windy with only spurts of sunlight for 5 minutes or so (during which it was comfortable), followed by light drizzle periods. Overall, not too bad of weather for football with the exception of the rain.

With the MIAA race itself now set to begin, we'll be seeing who will be beating up on who among the "chasers" of Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 27, 2010, 07:36:16 AM
Quote from: miaafbfan on September 25, 2010, 05:04:41 PM
Not a banner day for the MIAA as Hope drops to 0-4 with a 27-12 loss at home to Lakeland, and Albion falls to 1-3 with a 59-14 pasting by UW Stevens Point.

Alma seems to be holding up surprisingly well down at Kentucky Wesleyan.  Last score I heard had things all tied up at 28 very early in the 4th quarter.  Let's hope they can pull off a win and even things up at 2-2.


Alma gave up 3 TDs in the 4th, and lost 49-28....It was really a lot closer than the score. It probably should have been a lot close. Alma threw 2 INTs, they had a FG blocked and returned for a TD with 35 seconds left in the 1st half and had a punt go through the snappers legs which set up a Kentucky TD.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 27, 2010, 12:07:13 PM
This might offer a little insight into the current state of Hope football

Attendance vs Lakeland:  1450

Hope men's soccer attendance vs Calvin: 2700+

..now granted Calvin was ranked #1, and it was...ya know, Calvin.  But there just hasn't been this much of a difference at Hope, maybe ever.   Hope has always drawn pretty decent crowds for football regardless of opponent.  Also I wasn't there earlier in the day when the weather may have been a little more iffy, the weather for the soccer game was pretty decent.

I may be completely off on this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 27, 2010, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 13, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Random Thoughts (something must change):

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

18 game losing streak in non-MIAA games dating back to 2004 season.

Dean Kreps, career non-MIAA record, 10-38, .208 winning percentage, 3-23 (.115) since 2002 season.

Unacceptable?

I have updated my post from this time last year, 10-40, .200 winning percentage, 3-25 (.107) since 2002 season.
I know that I will get ripped repeatedly for this post, but them the facts!
Formerd3db, I love your posts and respect your insight, but I must disagree with your assessment of players vs coaches, many players have changed since 2002, many losses have not and coaches have not.

Thank goodness, this doesn't have to be updated again until 2011?!?

DK, non-MIAA record, 10-42, .192 winning %
Hope, non-MIAA record since 2002, 3-28, .097 winning %
23 straight non-MIAA loses
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 27, 2010, 02:45:11 PM
Quote from: dumezrules on September 16, 2010, 08:17:07 AM
Quote from: section7 on September 13, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: section7 on September 22, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
Random Thoughts (something must change):

Have the Flying Dutchmen taken on the look of the Detroit Lions?

18 game losing streak in non-MIAA games dating back to 2004 season.

Dean Kreps, career non-MIAA record, 10-38, .208 winning percentage, 3-23 (.115) since 2002 season.

Unacceptable?

I have updated my post from this time last year, 10-40, .200 winning percentage, 3-25 (.107) since 2002 season.
I know that I will get ripped repeatedly for this post, but them the facts!
Formerd3db, I love your posts and respect your insight, but I must disagree with your assessment of players vs coaches, many players have changed since 2002, many losses have not and coaches have not.

You will also notice that the head coach repeatedly calls our players in the media for mistakes....not a good way to motivate

Dumez,

Here is an example from the Holland Sentinel, after Saturday's game.................does this make your point?


"Chris has to play better," Kreps said. Feys struggled in a 27-12 loss to Lakeland (Wis.) College Saturday in front of a Holland Municipal Stadium crowd of 1,450.

Feys completed 14 of 41 passes for 140 yards and was intercepted twice. One of those was returned 65 yards for a touchdown early in the fourth quarter that pushed Lakeland's lead to 13 points.

The defeat left Hope 0-4 overall and extended its losing streak outside the MIAA to 23 games.

"(Lakeland) loaded the box and said they were not going to let us run it," Kreps said. "Go ahead and throw it, they said, (and) we were not good enough to throw it. We roll like (Feys) rolls. If he's not doing well, we're not going to do well. He's our best quarterback, and he's got to play better."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 27, 2010, 04:37:31 PM
14-41 is atrocious
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 27, 2010, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: sac on September 27, 2010, 04:37:31 PM
14-41 is atrocious

Agree, maybe it is time to talk more about a good team in Trine! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 27, 2010, 06:54:34 PM
sac:

Hope's opening season home game attendance was 3325.  Very good for any DIII team.  Granted it was Community Day. however, I also think everyone will agree that when a team is winning, the attendance obviously goes up.  I suspect that, with the exception of Homecoming, Hope's remaining home game attedndance will be similar to the Lakeland game.  Yet, the same can be said for all the other MIAA teams with the exception of Trine this year.

As to the comments about Feys, Coach Kreps is completely right.  Unfortunately, Feys is making the same kind of upperclassman mistakes as Manning did in his later years.  You can't have your veteran QB telegraphing passes, throwing into crowds of coverage, and throwing INTs when the ball should be thrown away - you are not going to win with that kind of play.  Feys is a better QB than that, however, as Kreps mentions, he needs to play better.  Hope also is in trouble with the kicking game and the blocking on that for special teams as well as secondary play is still plagued with being beat on easy pass plays.  Improve on all those aspects and Hope wins the kind of games it has lost this season.  We'll see what goes this week.  Alma will be "gunning" for Hope as usual and if Hope's players can't get psyched up for this game, they're in bigger trouble than many of us have perceived.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2010, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 27, 2010, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: sac on September 27, 2010, 04:37:31 PM
14-41 is atrocious

Agree, maybe it is time to talk more about a good team in Trine! :)

Let's talk instead about the upcoming conference race!   :)  People think Trine is the front runner, but just one Trine loss in-conference and the race could be wide open if someone else makes a run.  All this non-conference talk is nice, but the conference run is a whole other season since that will determine the playoff rep from the MIAA.  The Trine / Adrian game will be a big one...at Adrian and it is Adrian's homecoming.  I think that will be a very tough contest, and it has been a close one the past few seasons.  There are a good 2-3 teams that could be capable of winning out with the right breaks, and other teams could very well play the spoiler.  The conference teams are close enough that anything could happen.  Let's focus now on the in-league battles.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 28, 2010, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: sac on September 27, 2010, 04:37:31 PM
14-41 is atrocious

Ranks right up there with 10-42 and 3-28!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 28, 2010, 09:45:43 AM
PASS EFFICIENCY         Team   Eff.
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Eric Watt........... TRIN SR   246.7
2. Sam Landry.......... KZOO FR   135.4
3. Mike McGee.......... ADRI SR   120.5
4. Nick Jones.......... KZOO JR   110.8
5. Ross Richard........ ALMA FR   109.4
6. Spencer Krauss...... ALBI SO    99.1
7. Chris Feys.......... HOPE SR    83.4
8. C J. Gregory........ OLIV JR    62.8


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 28, 2010, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: sac on September 28, 2010, 09:45:43 AM
PASS EFFICIENCY         Team   Eff.
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Eric Watt........... TRIN SR   246.7
2. Sam Landry.......... KZOO FR   135.4
3. Mike McGee.......... ADRI SR   120.5
4. Nick Jones.......... KZOO JR   110.8
5. Ross Richard........ ALMA FR   109.4
6. Spencer Krauss...... ALBI SO    99.1
7. Chris Feys.......... HOPE SR    83.4
8. C J. Gregory........ OLIV JR    62.8


Pretty sad, that according to the head coach, "He is our best qb and how he rolls, we roll."  Based on this stat we can shoot for 7th place!  Nice picture about our future qb situation also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2010, 03:47:47 PM
section7:

Are you not a Hope fan, or a disgruntled Hope fan, or someone who's son isn't getting (or didn't) get some P.T. at Hope? ???  ;) You are pretty negative in your posts towards Hope. ::) Just curious. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2010, 03:52:27 PM
Uncle Rico:

Good points.  I agree that the Trine/Adrian game is a key one this weekend.  Actually, so is the Hope/Alma one in a sense.  Depending on how either of the latter two come out with the "W" and depending on the calibur of how they playin the game, at least IMO, it will give an indication as to if they have a chance against Trine.  By that I mean if either one plays good and starts to get into sync, by the time the Trine game comes around for them, that could be a good sign.  Assuming of course, they keep focus for one game at a time, which I think most of these teams do.  It appears that way so far.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on September 28, 2010, 04:26:05 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 28, 2010, 03:47:47 PM
section7:

Are you not a Hope fan, or a disgruntled Hope fan, or someone who's son isn't getting (or didn't) get some P.T. at Hope? ???  ;) You are pretty negative in your posts towards Hope. ::) Just curious. :)

Thank you for your question formerd3db.  I am a Hope fan, but best word I can use to describe my feelings towards the current state of football program is MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT.  To use your wording from many of your posts......speechless (almost).  Not disgruntled and no son who didn't play, sorry.  I am just stating the facts as the history since 2002 has shown it.  Also, I am perplexed how we got here, continue to stay here and no real changes.  I have been watching Hope football since the days or Mark Spencer, Greg Heeres, Greg Bekius, Thurland Cole, etc., so I have seen more than just the last 10 years.

I am quite comfortable in my belief that if the men's bball, men's soccer, men's baseball, women's bball or women vball, too name a few, had the track record of the last 10 years that the football program has had, something would be different.

I hear you when you say the kids are not listening or doing what they are coached.  But, not to offend u, but that screams a problem within the coaching ranks.

To be fair, I did post a nice feel-good, positive story on a Hope player last week, that was reported in the Holland Sentinel.  I think Coach Kreps was awesome in that setting.

However, if disgruntled is your word, I am fine with that.  Because I have a hard time believing our football program is elite or where it should be, based purely on the facts and results on the field.  If the program continues this trend, the ability to influence and help will disappear.

My thoughts only, sorry, if you don't agree.

Here is to a MUCH NEEDED win against Alma (although I have my doubts :) ;) :D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 28, 2010, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 28, 2010, 03:52:27 PM
Uncle Rico:

Good points.  I agree that the Trine/Adrian game is a key one this weekend.  Actually, so is the Hope/Alma one in a sense.  Depending on how either of the latter two come out with the "W" and depending on the calibur of how they playin the game, at least IMO, it will give an indication as to if they have a chance against Trine.  By that I mean if either one plays good and starts to get into sync, by the time the Trine game comes around for them, that could be a good sign.  Assuming of course, they keep focus for one game at a time, which I think most of these teams do.  It appears that way so far.

For those interested in "Stats", take a look at the Trine stats for D3 National Team Ranking stats under NCAA, it is amazing!

Here is the link http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/mainpage.jsp
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2010, 11:48:35 PM
section7:

You are welcome and thanks in return for your reply/opinion.  I meant no disrespect to you - you are entitled to your opinion and I share some of that, although we do disagree on some aspects, and that is okay.  Also, indeed, you did post that nice article on the Hope player that was in the Holland newspaper and I posted on here that you did (I gave you +k for that! ;)).

Actually, (for what is is worth, if anything - probably not ;D/!) I have you beat as far as longevity at Hope and the MIAA! ;D  I've also coached in the MIAA.  As far as the coaching, I would disagree with you in that a coach should not have to repeatedly show, relate, instruct, plead, etc., etc, with a player(s) for doing some particular technique or aspect.  Failure to comply is simply the players fault absolutely, no other explanation.  One might argue then that it is the coach's fault for not replacing said player with someone else in attempt to "get the job done", but...when you don't have the players to do that, you can't fault the coach there either.  Again, as I said previous a while back, my intent is not to denigrate the players, because they are doing the best they can, they are, after all, just young men and, unfortunately, sometimes things just do not play out the way one desires (just ask the Northwestern players of a couple of decades ago - they were not terrible players, they obviously had talent to be at the Big Ten level; they just weren't as good as others at their level).  The bottom line is that win or lose, these young men will learn something from this experience that will for sure help them in the more important aspects of later life.

Obviously, you, myself and others have our opinions on this topc and we've expressed them well, so I'll refrain from posting further comment on this. :)  Hopefully, we'll have some bright spots in Hope's season as yet! Anyway, thanks for your continued participation here on the board.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on September 30, 2010, 09:57:16 AM
It's pretty quiet on here for being the first week of conference games.  Is it because most teams have had a disappointing non-conference schedule or is everyone just busy? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 30, 2010, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on September 30, 2010, 09:57:16 AM
It's pretty quiet on here for being the first week of conference games.  Is it because most teams have had a disappointing non-conference schedule or is everyone just busy? 

IMHO, it is the former. The potential challengers to Trine have not shown much and Trine seems to be the only big story in the MIAA thus far! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 30, 2010, 11:40:31 AM
Quote from: section7 on September 28, 2010, 04:26:05 PM
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Thank you for your question formerd3db.  I am a Hope fan, but best word I can use to describe my feelings towards the current state of football program is MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. 


Actually those are two words.  ;)
With Hope losing to Wisconsin Lutheran I can completely understand your frustration.  WL is simply not a good team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 30, 2010, 12:43:05 PM
Well it has been a while since I posted as I am no longer LOCAL to the MIAA, Michigan.

I hate to be the guy whom drops a BOMB on the teams after not posting much this year. Michigan resident last 50 years, attended 12 MIAA games last year.

The real question is Trine that much better or the rest of the MIAA teams that BAD?

I think a little of both, website is Trine dominated and why not, they are winning improving the program and gaining the MIAA a little repsect, after several dark years.

Albion and Hope have long time Coaching staffs, did they suddenly become poor coachs. and recruiters? How have these 2 teams in particular become so weak?

Albion had a chance last year, had some very good talent, injuries and complete lack of depth really hurt them last year. Had a very good defense last year when their 3 best players were healthy. Thin still at a couple key postions this year, HOW WHY is my question. Great Academic School, why is there no depth? Several very good players in skill positions, OL/DL play and LB remain question marks.

Hope with a great school, long time staff, team continues to under perform / or have no talent which is it?
Best Campus and city to live in of the MIAA, beachs, GR close, nice neighborhood.

Adrian coaching  changes, infighting within program have them in limbo presently, should have made wholeale changes last year, nothing against current staff but make a change if you going to make a change in the manor it was handled last year.

Kalamazoo is gaining repsect, numerous changes, I like the effort to focus on High GPA players from proven programs. Parochial kids and high end academic schools, these guys are used to the work load while maintaining academic level they require. let's face it kazoo has higher academic standards/reputation not a football reputation. A lot of the athletes are there for the education first, not football.

Alma solid coaching staff too many local players, will ride the wave of talent with this recruiting profile.

Olivet, another coaching and player profile change, get a coach give them some time, and select a player profile you want move from there, always will be thought of as a lower tier education in comparison to the others in conference.

These thoughts and comments are a quick summary of current and recent HS seniors, MIAA players, that I and my wife have taught, or coached.

Couple BIG games this weekend, should be a good clue as to the current year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 30, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
Well the way I read into it, Trine has become a very good program in a very short amount of time - not starting rumors....but there is a lot of money floating around in that school - and have become instant-contenders for the league championship each year. And a threat to go past the first round of the NCAA tourney.

Alma has missed there "go-to-guy" at WR the past few years, after losing Joe Cline, the key man in Josh Brehm's Gagliardi-winning season. Something a lot of people may not realize, is that last season's seniors are the first graduating class from Alma not to win a championship since the seniors is 1995.

Adrian has not finished worse than 4th since 2005.

Albion should be decent, and in my opinion, Trine's biggest competition for the league championship.

Kalamazoo could be looking at a down year.

Olivet has only gone downhill since there league championship in 2007.

Hope....well Im still trying to figure out the Dutchmen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 30, 2010, 09:45:03 PM
Someone must have posted this somewhere else, but I ran across it tonight

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Video-Your-daring-Division-III-interception-of?urn=ncaaf-273482
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2010, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: sac on September 30, 2010, 09:45:03 PM
Someone must have posted this somewhere else, but I ran across it tonight

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Video-Your-daring-Division-III-interception-of?urn=ncaaf-273482

It first surfaced as part of our Play of the Week, in fact.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2010, 10:19:02 PM
D306 and sflzman:
Good points/analysis. 

D306, good to have you back posting.  I recall you mentioned you were moving from the area/region (state) due to some personal family aspects.  I hope you are doing well and that things are okay.  Your contributions here are missed, so if you have the time on occasion, don't be a stranger here on this board, even if you feel you aren't as "close or knowledable" of the teams due to the "long distance".  Heck, some of us here (myself included) are close to the teams, and as sflzman astutely says, even we can't figure them out! ;D  I will be the first to admit that (i.e. I joint sflzman in that regard) ;) Anyway, take care.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2010, 05:36:23 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 30, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
Well the way I read into it, Trine has become a very good program in a very short amount of time - not starting rumors....but there is a lot of money floating around in that school - and have become instant-contenders for the league championship each year. And a threat to go past the first round of the NCAA tourney.

That's what happens when an alumnus named Trine generously makes an eight figure donation, you hire an energetic coaching staff the players and parents relate to, you upgrade all the facilities with the $ noted above, and you offer a respected university curriculum.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 01, 2010, 07:47:55 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2010, 05:36:23 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 30, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
Well the way I read into it, Trine has become a very good program in a very short amount of time - not starting rumors....but there is a lot of money floating around in that school - and have become instant-contenders for the league championship each year. And a threat to go past the first round of the NCAA tourney.

That's what happens when an alumnus named Trine generously makes an eight figure donation, you hire an energetic coaching staff the players and parents relate to, you upgrade all the facilities with the $ noted above, and you offer a respected university curriculum.

Yes, I was at Trine the spring of 2009 for the MIAA softball tournament and driving around campus I was impressed, expecially with the athletic facilities that I saw. The only thing I didnt like was the water tower with TSU on it. I still have not seen the Fred Zollner athletic Stadium or complex, whatever it is, so I might go down for the Alma/Trine game.

Trine really has only been good in Football, Softball, and baseball - in a weak conference - men's golf is having a good year this year....though i dont know much about the history of trine golf.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 01, 2010, 08:19:20 AM
sflzman - I don't know what rumors you would be stating by pointing out the upgrades on the campus of Trine, but its not like they are doing anything secret. All of the donations from the alumni have been put to use in a very public manner  ;)

The renovation on campus was long over due.  It started in 2006, with the construction of he new University Center.  That happened to be right after the 0-10 season, so I don't think there was any correlation between a good football program briging in money that otherwise wouldn't have been donated.  The new football facilities were also in the works around that time, and took several years to raise funds. It just so hapened that by the time it was constructed, the team turned itself around.

The turnaround had nothing to do with the upgrades on campus, it had everything to do with the new coaching staff that came in when I was a sophmore, in the fall of 2006. they were able to recruit talented players, and if nothing else, the improvements on campus helped in retention. 

If you get the chance, come down for the Trine/Alma game.  The new football facilities are top notch and make for a comfortable and exciting place to watch a football game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 01, 2010, 08:37:40 AM
D3DB

Thank you for the nice comments.
Back in Michigan this week and may go to Albion Homecoming game, have friends there and on both teams.

Thank you for remembering my family issues, Yes things are pretty good, have a schedule and a support staff for the grandkids. Will be a lifetime requirement for the kids, so we do what we can to help our Daughter in law, she is overwhlemed with the kids and loss of our son. Thought of having them move to Michigan but have a DR she/we feel comfortable with so we will stay here for the forseeable future.

Back to MIAA football, as with all things it is cyclical unfortunately for some of us we are on the wrong end of the cycle presently.  >:(
I have high expectations, I can handle a loss, I do not do well with lack of commitment and dumb mistakes.
Tough being an "old" coach, do not want to be the the "back in the day" guy.  ;D
Trine has done a great job in the past several years, we all saw this coming, look back in the threads to a few years ago, growth of college, energetic coaching staff, year round program. Funny thing the same comments I am starting to see, Money, recruits etc... Sound exactly the things  I/we hear about top HS teams.  Strong programs are built from the top down, winning recruits winners, and sets expectations if you enforce the core program beliefs, you will be solid every year.
In general I think that football has been hurt by too many options for our youth, laptops, video games,multiple sports playing year round, Soccer "moms"  ;D. The comment being lack of being a die hard ahtlete, this is why in my mind the majority of "great" Pro athletes come from small towns,  less options,.
All that being said I think the general skill level has increased, kids are bigger faster, stronger, though not as well coached in fundementals.  

Well best of luck to Hope and your family, get off the snid this wekend, too good of a program to play like they have


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2010, 08:39:53 AM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on October 01, 2010, 08:19:20 AM
sflzman - I don't know what rumors you would be stating by pointing out the upgrades on the campus of Trine, but its not like they are doing anything secret. All of the donations from the alumni have been put to use in a very public manner  ;)

The renovation on campus was long over due.  It started in 2006, with the construction of he new University Center.  That happened to be right after the 0-10 season, so I don't think there was any correlation between a good football program briging in money that otherwise wouldn't have been donated.  The new football facilities were also in the works around that time, and took several years to raise funds. It just so hapened that by the time it was constructed, the team turned itself around.

The turnaround had nothing to do with the upgrades on campus, it had everything to do with the new coaching staff that came in when I was a sophmore, in the fall of 2006. they were able to recruit talented players, and if nothing else, the improvements on campus helped in retention.  

If you get the chance, come down for the Trine/Alma game.  The new football facilities are top notch and make for a comfortable and exciting place to watch a football game.

I agree.  Trine has done a tremendous job in all areas in improving the college. A few years ago, as you well know, it was just another small college, and in some respects, not very impressive to potential recruits, including the campus.  Despite the 10-0 season right after the football program was reinstituted (NAIA - and scholarship football as I recall - is that correct?), it was somewhat relatively unknown here in Michigan - although they had played Albion in basketball for some years.  Yet, as you say, the administration and alumni made commmitments and the campus development and improvements have been tremendous.

I have always had a fondness for the old college campuses and although Trine is a small school like most of our DIII schools are, I really like how they preserved the oldest buidlings on campus from the 18880's -really gives it some character.  The town of Angola itself is nicde as well, with character also and the surrounding modern development in the community has been failry controled i.e. not sprawled.  With good coaching staff and faculty and expanded curriculum programs, Trine has grown and become a very stable and desirable college.  Of course, as you've all pointed out, it does help to have very wealthy alunmi such as Trine and Shive who gave tons of $ for the college and it's football program respectively.  Also, as you know, Trine has the luxury of being one of the very few small colleges that has its own golf course.

BTW, perhaps some people do not know this, but before Trine reinstated football in the mid-1990's, they actually had an official team back in 1899-1900. I believe the 1900 team was its last until the new era.  Anyway, you Trine guys have a lot to be proud of.  Despite your team kicking all of us around on the football field of recent, I'm glad they/you are in our MIAA. ;D  Now we just need to get the rest of some of our traditional strong programs in football back to their former levels.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2010, 08:49:35 AM
D306:

You are most welcome and I will continue to keep you and yours and your entire extended family in prayer.  I can imagine how tough a challenge it is for all of you, but Keep the Faith.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the current status of our MIAA.  I agree with you on these aspects as well.  Like you, I don't want to be that "old coach guy" always saying..."well, it used to be like this and...we need to get back to the way it was so to speak", etc.  We all know that things change in life and indeed, it is cyclic like you point out very well.  I know people who would remember (yes, there are other MIAA people older than my time ;D) who will recall the days when even Kazoo in the '60's and Alma in the late '60's/early '70's kicked everyone's tail.  But, times and goals do change in all aspects of colleges and there are, indeed, many factors such as you relate that play into the football aspects of today.  Not to mention (and this has been discussed by many others here on this board and other boards in the past) the rise of the DII and other scholarship football programs in our region of the Midwest.  That, without a doubt along with the economy has been a factor as well.  I would disagree with anyone who says otherwise (and so would many of our MIAA coaches! :)).

Anyway, I hope you enjoy your weekend back here.  Thanks again for posting and, again, please visit us on the board when you can.

Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 01, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
Formerd3db-  You are correct. Tri-State made the switch from NAIA to DIII in 2004 (I believe - some of my fellow Thunder can correct me if I am wrong).  There were a few scholarship players left over on the 2005 team.  They went through a 4 year probationary period before becoming a full member of the NCAA, as well as being eligible for the palyoffs, in 2008.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 01, 2010, 09:47:43 AM
Very true the economy, and the huge growth in GVSU, WMU, CMU student population has hurt the MIAA.
Tough to make that Tuition payment when there is good state school so close, let alone the growth of DII schools in area.

I think this also holds true for the tough spot alot of Parochial schools, all school districts actually are in through out Michigan.
SOC, Charter Schools, every school fighting for state dollars and head count. While education is the main issue at HS, it has a tangental effect on the quality and quantity of Athletes as well to get us back to MIAA football topic.

Feels like football weather finally, as the Conference season heats up, enjoy the season guys.
Let's get some bonfires going and tailgate, those are the times we will remember. Love the smell of burning leaves and branchs in the fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 01, 2010, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 01, 2010, 07:47:55 AM

Trine really has only been good in Football, Softball, and baseball - in a weak conference - men's golf is having a good year this year....though i dont know much about the history of trine golf.

Trine men's golf has always been good (top 3 all but 1 year in their MIAA run), and is the only MIAA program with its own golf course.  Zollner G.C., not a bad course.  I think I remember seeing some NAIA banners in their fieldhouse for golf, maybe not.

BTW this year's MIAA race might be the most competitive in a long, long while.  Just 31 strokes separate 1st from 5th with 2 rounds to go, in college golf 31 shots is nothing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 01, 2010, 10:57:51 AM
Take a look at the head count of the D2 rosters in our state, those programs are pretty big even for D2.  There are a lot of walk-ons at GVSU, SVSU and Ferris that could play and play well in the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2010, 02:43:09 PM
BAW56:

Thanks for the details.  While I/we knew of the probationary period for the transition to NCAA DIII, I wasn't sure about the "hold-over" scholarship players.  I thought perhaps many of them would have transfered.  BTW, just out of curiosity (and Trine friends here, please forgive me in asking this question as it may have been discussed long past), but why did Trine decide to do away with scholarship football?  Was the cost of providing scholarships the only factor?  Just curious.

D306:
Indeed, those are great memories and smells! ;D

sac:
You are right on.  Although the DII schools are allowed only 36 full scholarships (I've never figured out why the NCAA mandates that at that level - I can understand the 85 limit at DI), and most players then get a 1/2 "ride", the prospect of eventually obtaining a scholarship is enticing for the walk-on players to those schools as well as the lower tuition as you've pointed out.  For sure, the MIAA is now not getting those type of players as you mention and the MIAA football coaching staffs at most of those schools have pointed to this as one of the fundamental factors for quite some time now.  Still, as we all know, a prospective player has to have the GPA and competitive college entrance exam scores to be considered for acceptance at the MIAA schools. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2010, 02:45:27 PM
BTW, thanks for the golf info re: Trine.  Admittedly, except for Hope, I haven't followed MIAA golf much or that closely.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 01, 2010, 03:22:50 PM
IMHO, football and the private schools need to have a competitive college/university behind them to attract the good athletes. The sports programs (football) have to demonstrate to the prospective player that their school is moving forward not treading water.

Other than Trine, which MIAA schools are "really" moving forward and what others need changes in their programs and the support of a competitive administration? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on October 01, 2010, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 01, 2010, 03:22:50 PM
IMHO, football and the private schools need to have a competitive college/university behind them to attract the good athletes. The sports programs (football) have to demonstrate to the prospective player that their school is moving forward not treading water.

Other than Trine, which MIAA schools are "really" moving forward and what others need changes in their programs and the support of a competitive administration? :-\

Is there really a simple answer to that question?  As fans, everyone wants a competitive program, but those same pressures for investment exist in every department of the institution.  I'm not certain I'd wish to decide how to spend an non-designated windfall if forced to choose between new field turf or a sorely needed wing on the science building.  Should that $250,000 go to this year's travel budget for a new womens' rowing team - a Title IX balance for the resurrected wrestling team which disbanded in the 1980s, or would it better serve as an investment into an HP GC Mass Spec with full library and auto injectors in the chemistry laboratory, where they've been limping along on 15 year old, antiquated equipment and are losing NSF and NIH grant opportunities as result?

Some schools are truly blessed with instant infusions of cash, others have substantial endowments (as long as the investments retain stability  :o), and some limp along, doing the proverbial "hand to mouth" routine.  Several MIAA schools have retained long term memberships in the GLCA, CTMD, and Annapolis groups - all of which have pretty rigorous academic standards to uphold.  Identity and reputation play major roles in all three, and it all comes down to institutional priorities.

Large donors are not dissimilar to stock investors, and it comes back to ROI, product, and gut feelings.  I'd wager that 85% of the boosters at Ohio State have never set foot in the main library on the Oval - but what's important to Buckeye Nation is Tressel-mania.  DIII is a different animal - football is an important element of campus life (I dare not say "extracurricular" do I?), but ultimately, it's not the be all to end all for most of the participants or the fans.  Over here in Botswana, trust me, I depend on DIII radio broadcasts to retain sanity and maintain a touch of home on Saturday night - Sunday morning.  Growing up near Angola (IN and not the LA prison  ;D), I'm pleased to see Trine's resurgence, but enjoy following all of the northern region programs, win or lose.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2010, 05:12:38 PM
cav2:

Great to hear from you and I hope you and yours are doing well.

Very thoughtful insight and you bring all those other factors "to the table" in addition to those that have been discussed.  Without a doubt, as you relate, it is a very complex issue with many facets that the colleges have to consider.

Another example, since you mentioned the field turf, is that in attempting to be competitive which includes attracting student-athletes to the college for general enrollment anyway (and not just their particular sport), the colleges have to keep up with the times regarding the field facilities.  Olivet was one example in the MIAA in obtaining that (as did Adrian); Hope was blessed with the new synthetic turf for its soccer/lacrosse new stadium and badly needs the turf for its practice fields and the football stadium (actually stadium is owned by the City of Holland but both Holland High School and Hope College use it - Hope needs to obtain the stadium IMO and that of others and that has been in consideration now for a couple of years - but that is another story!

Yet, the key is, as you also related, is the source of the $.  You "hit the nail on the head".  The difference is that some alumni gave the $ to Olivet and Hope for specific purposes of the athletic facilities and that is different than sourcing it from endowments, etc. and grants.  Bottom line is as you nicely explained is that is certainly is a complex and challenging situation for all these DIII schools, no matter how large or small they are.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 01, 2010, 06:01:07 PM
First off, SAC: Thanks for the golf info.....

Quote from: D306 on October 01, 2010, 09:47:43 AM
Very true the economy, and the huge growth in GVSU, WMU, CMU student population has hurt the MIAA.
Tough to make that Tuition payment when there is good state school so close, let alone the growth of DII schools in area.

I think this also holds true for the tough spot alot of Parochial schools, all school districts actually are in through out Michigan.
SOC, Charter Schools, every school fighting for state dollars and head count. While education is the main issue at HS, it has a tangental effect on the quality and quantity of Athletes as well to get us back to MIAA football topic.

Feels like football weather finally, as the Conference season heats up, enjoy the season guys.
Let's get some bonfires going and tailgate, those are the times we will remember. Love the smell of burning leaves and branchs in the fall.

As far as tuition goes....say you're a student-athlete in mid-michigan, you only have d3 talent. If you stay local-ish, looking at CMU, Ferris and Alma, your price difference from CMU or Ferris to Alma is about 16,000-20,000 a year. Is being an athlete really worth that much money?

This is including room and board.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2010, 06:17:50 PM
In your scenario, why would any student ever pick a Division III private college?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2010, 06:18:56 PM
sflzman:

It all depends on how bad one wants to play college football.  But, certainly, you do have a very valid point.  For some, there certainly might be a way to get financial aid to help decrease the deficit, yet, for many, that just isn't possible.  So the huge difference as you outlined, can and does make the decision for some people unfortunately.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 01, 2010, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2010, 06:17:50 PM
In your scenario, why would any student ever pick a Division III private college?

They go to a private D3 school because they know they will receive a great education, their professor knows their name, tradition ( a family member) went there, and they have a good chance of continuing to play football. :)

Yes, it costs more (same scenario in Ohio) but the football programs have to moving forward to even attract them, or they may go to a D3 school that has the history, tradition and the strategic foresight for continued success.

Sorry, I just fell off my soap box, or someone pushed me! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 02, 2010, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 01, 2010, 02:43:09 PM
BAW56:

Thanks for the details.  While I/we knew of the probationary period for the transition to NCAA DIII, I wasn't sure about the "hold-over" scholarship players.  I thought perhaps many of them would have transfered.  BTW, just out of curiosity (and Trine friends here, please forgive me in asking this question as it may have been discussed long past), but why did Trine decide to do away with scholarship football?  Was the cost of providing scholarships the only factor?  Just curious.
 

My understanding of why Tri-State/Trine did away with their NAIA athletic scholarships is because of availability of scholarship money.  By entering into DIII that freed up tons of money for the school to offer more competitive academic scholarships, not only for its athletes but for all students.  They wanted to recruit great students and grow the quality of the university.  They also wanted to students who did play sports to be great STUDENT athletes and not the other way around.

When I was looking at colleges, playing football was a huge selling point to me.  I was going to go somewhere that would give me the opportunity to play football.  What eventually led me to Trine was its small campus and class sizes, the professors that I met with prior to attending my freshman year, the opportunity to continue my athletic career AND I received more scholarship money for my academics than I would have been able to receive at any DII school that I looked at.  That is what I love so much about DIII football, it is full of great kids, students and athletes that play for the love of the game!

So anyways, we are getting a taste of some real fall weather today!  This is what football weather is suppose to be like!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 02, 2010, 08:39:05 PM
Wow, I thought Hope would beat alma by maybe 1 TD, and Alma would have a legit chance of pulling of the upset.....I guess not.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2010, 10:20:05 PM
Just back from the Hope game.  I, too, was surprised that Hope beat Alma so easily.  Alma just did not have a great day.  Hope, on the other hand, had everything go right for once, including the PATs, passing game as Feys was much more accurate, made good choices, running game was good and secondary much better play this weekend.  Hope got the breaks it needed i.e. they made the key plays when they needed, unlike the first four games.  Which makes me more disappointed as had Hope made those plays, not missed FGs and extra points, they could easily have been 5-0 at this point.  We are obviously not a great team, however, they showed me today that all is not lost and they didin't give up.  At least they got the "monkey off their back" today and a much needed win.  Congrats to the players and Coach Kreps and staff.  This will be a much needed boost in attitude and confidence going into next week's game at Kazoo, the latter of which showed some spunck today also against Albion.

As for Alma, they are not a terrible team as some have suggested, rather I think they just had a horribly off day.  Obviously, their QB is young and made the true freshman mistakes so common.  However, Alma has size and speed, but IMO, just didn't play up to what I think they probably can.

Regarding the weather, I am getting sick of the rain each Saturday, but I thiink it is here to stay.  That's the way it goes.  Anyway, on to Kazoo next week! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 02, 2010, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 02, 2010, 10:20:05 PM
Just back from the Hope game.  I, too, was surprised that Hope beat Alma so easily.  Alma just did not have a great day.  Hope, on the other hand, had everything go right for once, including the PATs, passing game as Feys was much more accurate, made good choices, running game was good and secondary much better play this weekend.  Hope got the breaks it needed i.e. they made the key plays when they needed, unlike the first four games.  Which makes me more disappointed as had Hope made those plays, not missed FGs and extra points, they could easily have been 5-0 at this point.  We are obviously not a great team, however, they showed me today that all is not lost and they didin't give up.  At least they got the "monkey off their back" today and a much needed win.  Congrats to the players and Coach Kreps and staff.  This will be a much needed boost in attitude and confidence going into next week's game at Kazoo, the latter of which showed some spunck today also against Albion.

As for Alma, they are not a terrible team as some have suggested, rather I think they just had a horribly off day.  Obviously, their QB is young and made the true freshman mistakes so common.  However, Alma has size and speed, but IMO, just didn't play up to what I think they probably can.

Regarding the weather, I am getting sick of the rain each Saturday, but I thiink it is here to stay.  That's the way it goes.  Anyway, on to Kazoo next week! :)


Formerd3db,

Glad to see your alma mater win a game big to get them going! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 03, 2010, 07:45:12 AM
yes i though hope played pretty good saturday  to    they moved a couple of fr up from the jv    jackson the rb played really good is pretty fast and hope defense scored a another score  now off to kzoo
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2010, 08:39:17 AM
I, too, was surprised to see them move a couple of players up from the JV, although I guess I shouldn't have been since I've been one who has been saying (complaining  ??? ::) ;))) about people not playing up to their potential and not getting the job done.  Jackson, although small, was a sparkplug - his 99 yard run for the TD showed he had speed and the Alma defensive players could not catch him.  He also had some great blocking in the game by our offensive line.  RB Elzinga sustained a sprained ankle in the first quarter and was not able to return.  Hopefully, he can rebound for Kazoo, although you know how ankle sprains can be - frustrating at times, even for the milder ones.  So, as you say, we'll see how the team responds at Kazoo.

Speaking of Kazoo, nice win for them vs. Albion.  I suspect Albion (without having seen them play yet) is having some of the same problems as us and Alma.  Still, I know when we play them down there in a couple of weeks, it is not going to be easy - it never is at Sprankle-Sprandle Stadium at Morely Fraser Field. :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2010, 08:42:32 AM
Thanks Raider68.  Indeed, it is a good feeling for all of us to finally win a game.  Now I know what Northwestern (and Olivet) felt like all those years. ::) ;D

Of course, your Mount keeps on rolling.  I was surprised at their score yesterday.  Also, your other "school" CMU is having a tough time this year it looks like.

Speaking of Northwestern, how about them?  They are undefeated, although I'm sure that is not going to last long.  Yet, it is good to see them being competitive routinely now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 03, 2010, 09:12:43 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 03, 2010, 08:42:32 AM
Thanks Raider68.  Indeed, it is a good feeling for all of us to finally win a game.  Now I know what Northwestern (and Olivet) felt like all those years. ::) ;D

Of course, your Mount keeps on rolling.  I was surprised at their score yesterday.  Also, your other "school" CMU is having a tough time this year it looks like.

Speaking of Northwestern, how about them?  They are undefeated, although I'm sure that is not going to last long.  Yet, it is good to see them being competitive routinely now.


Formerd3db,

On the Mount/ONU games which I attended, the general feeling was it would be a close hard fought game with the Raiders have a slight edge for home field. Many thought this would be a year in which ONU could pull out a win like they did in 2005.  In the final analysis, the Raider defense controlled the LOS, clock, only a few penalties while creating 4 turnovers.

Unsual for Mount they have 8 starters who are sophomores, but have top talent. Not a good sign for for the rest of the OAC! :)

The Kalamazoo/Hope game will be a good one, but K-zoo has that homefield advantage and like Hope they are coming off a big win.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 03, 2010, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 02, 2010, 10:20:05 PM
Just back from the Hope game.  I, too, was surprised that Hope beat Alma so easily.  Alma just did not have a great day.  Hope, on the other hand, had everything go right for once, including the PATs, passing game as Feys was much more accurate, made good choices, running game was good and secondary much better play this weekend.  Hope got the breaks it needed i.e. they made the key plays when they needed, unlike the first four games.  Which makes me more disappointed as had Hope made those plays, not missed FGs and extra points, they could easily have been 5-0 at this point.  We are obviously not a great team, however, they showed me today that all is not lost and they didin't give up.  At least they got the "monkey off their back" today and a much needed win.  Congrats to the players and Coach Kreps and staff.  This will be a much needed boost in attitude and confidence going into next week's game at Kazoo, the latter of which showed some spunck today also against Albion.

As for Alma, they are not a terrible team as some have suggested, rather I think they just had a horribly off day.  Obviously, their QB is young and made the true freshman mistakes so common.  However, Alma has size and speed, but IMO, just didn't play up to what I think they probably can.

Regarding the weather, I am getting sick of the rain each Saturday, but I thiink it is here to stay.  That's the way it goes.  Anyway, on to Kazoo next week! :)


Alma will be good in the next years, but you can tell we have a true freshman QB. Richard just isn't ready, and I don't think he will even play again after this year. I beleive that Jarrett Leister will definately come back as the starter next if all goes as planned.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 03, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
That was Kalamazoo's first win over Albion since 1983 folks.  27 years.

Its worth noting that Kzoo hasn't beaten Hope since 1995.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2010, 07:46:00 PM
Thanks for that info sac.  I knew it was quite some time, however, without checking the data myself, I didn't realize it had been that long.  Indeed, a great accopmplishment for Coach Zerbo and his players and staff.  I'm sure the Kazoo fans are thrilled as well.

14 years is a long time also for the last win against Hope.  I'm sure it will probably be a good game, but obviously, I am optimistic for Hope win.  It is a Kazoo's Angell Field, so it will be interesting to see how big a crowd they have.  I would suspect that the possibility might be for a larger crowd then they have had of recent due to yesterday's win, although I could be wrong.  It would be nice to see the 4,000 they had for their Homecoming against Hope about 5 years ago or so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 03, 2010, 09:14:17 PM
In the MIAA Pickems, NOBODY picked Kazoo over Albion.  I can hardly wait to see the Kazoo/Hope pickem distribution.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 04, 2010, 07:39:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 03, 2010, 09:14:17 PM
In the MIAA Pickems, NOBODY picked Kazoo over Albion.  I can hardly wait to see the Kazoo/Hope pickem distribution.

Yes thats gonna be a tough one....but no-one listen to me while picking....my picks have sucked and I am currently 10 gb of 1st place....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 04, 2010, 03:49:51 PM
i think hope will beat kzoo 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 04, 2010, 04:09:23 PM
Hey Hope1 - I think you need to look at your Pick 'Ems again.  You picked the current MIAA games but the other games are from last weekend instead of this coming weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 04, 2010, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on October 04, 2010, 04:09:23 PM
Hey Hope1 - I think you need to look at your Pick 'Ems again.  You picked the current MIAA games but the other games are from last weekend instead of this coming weekend.

Silly Dutchmen, trix are for kids....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2010, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 04, 2010, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on October 04, 2010, 04:09:23 PM
Hey Hope1 - I think you need to look at your Pick 'Ems again.  You picked the current MIAA games but the other games are from last weekend instead of this coming weekend.

Silly Dutchmen, trix are for kids....

Silly sflzman, I need a clarification over on Pickems. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on October 04, 2010, 09:34:40 PM
If my memory is correct, the last time Alma was shut out was 1994 versus Albion.  It was late in the season, and both the Scots and Britons were undefeated.  Albion left Bahlke Field with a 26-0 win and eventually went on to win the Stagg Bowl.  I do recall a very nice crowd on hand for the game (probably 6,000+).  Maybe formerd3db remembers this as well. 

It looks like a beautiful weekend for college football around the upper midwest this weekend.  Hopefully Alma has a large Homecoming crowd.  Wherever we might be headed this weekend, let's enjoy some fine weather and competitive college football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2010, 10:53:17 PM
miaafbfan:

I do rememer that game very well.  Indeed, I was quite surprised that Alma was shutout.  I thought they would win the game that year.  Actually, there were over 8,000 people at that game.  I really thought there might be a possibility that 10,000 would attend as both teams were really good that year and had a lot of "press" coverage in the media.  However, the weather wasn't the greatest that day and I truly believe that was a cause of some people not attending the game and thus not reaching the 10,000 attendance range.  Nonetheless, the atmosphere was absolutely fantastic that day -"electric"!  What a great experience to either play in and/or witness a game with that many people in the stands.  I can only imagine what it would be like to play in front of the crowds that U of M or MSU play in front of - just for once!  Although, as you and others may recall, Grand Valley State and Michigan Tech played in front of 51,000 at U of Michigan Stadium about 6 years ago or so for the GLIAC Championship game (Michigan had an "away" game that day, so the GLIAC rented the stadium - a great move on their part).

It looks like the weather will be nicer for this weekend's games (if we can believe the weather people - they were wrong once again this past weekend ::) ;D  Indeed, I hope Alma has a nice, large crowd for Homecoming this weekend.   

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2010, 10:55:06 PM
sflzman:

I'm giving you a +k just for the chuckles on that one! ;D :D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 05, 2010, 07:22:19 AM
Quote from: miaafbfan on October 04, 2010, 09:34:40 PM
If my memory is correct, the last time Alma was shut out was 1994 versus Albion.  It was late in the season, and both the Scots and Britons were undefeated.  Albion left Bahlke Field with a 26-0 win and eventually went on to win the Stagg Bowl.  I do recall a very nice crowd on hand for the game (probably 6,000+).  Maybe formerd3db remembers this as well. 

It looks like a beautiful weekend for college football around the upper midwest this weekend.  Hopefully Alma has a large Homecoming crowd.  Wherever we might be headed this weekend, let's enjoy some fine weather and competitive college football.

Alma was shut-out 7-0 last year at Adrian. It was amazing because Mackenzie McGrady averaged 28.76 ppg in his 3 years starting at QB...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on October 05, 2010, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: section7 on September 28, 2010, 04:26:05 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 28, 2010, 03:47:47 PM
section7:

Are you not a Hope fan, or a disgruntled Hope fan, or someone who's son isn't getting (or didn't) get some P.T. at Hope? ???  ;) You are pretty negative in your posts towards Hope. ::) Just curious. :)

Here is to a MUCH NEEDED win against Alma (although I have my doubts :) ;) :D)

Great win for the Flying Dutchmen on Saturday.  Only thing that was off, was the weather.  Was really impressed that Coach Kreps brought up a few kids from the JV and they played and made an impact.  I think Alma is way down to previous years, but when you are 0-4, you just need a victory.  Not exactly sure what to think about Alma's QB (Ross Richard), only a freshman, but boy did he look over his head and very confused at times.

KZOO vs HOPE for the Wooden Shoes and a piece of 1st place..................when was the last time that happened?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 05, 2010, 07:14:15 PM
Wooden shoes?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gohope on October 05, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 05, 2010, 07:14:15 PM
Wooden shoes?

The game between Hope and Kalamazoo will mark the  renewal of the "Wooden Shoes" rivalry between the Flying Dutchmen and Hornets. The rivalry started in 1910. It has been known as the "Wooden Shoes" rivalry since 1931.
 
Having a pair of hand-carved wooden shoes as a traveling trophy was the idea of Hope football coach Milton "Bud" Hinga who was a Kalamazoo College graduate.


 
 
 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 05, 2010, 10:54:16 PM
section7:

I agree with you - it was good to see some of the younger players (underclassmen) given a chance and step up.  They did a great job as you mentioned.

gohope:
You do know you history!  Thanks for enlightening some of our younger colleagues here on our board and sharing about the MIAA trophy history between Kazoo and Hope.  I am looking forward to a competitive game.  Yes, if we win, first place - at least for a while! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on October 06, 2010, 07:53:34 AM
The BPD3 Level System Top 25 unveiled:

NOTE:
BPD3 Level System Top 25
To add to the intrigue and fun of the ranking system, I am creating "Levels" within the Top 25. In the "Level System", I will be grouping teams that are reasonably comparable in my opinion and exposing where I believe there is a drop-off of some kind between ranks. 

Is there anyone "intruding" on Level 1 with UW-W and Mount Union?

Where do the "breaks" occur between levels?

What rank and level does Trine hold?

www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 06, 2010, 02:54:29 PM
Who is the favorite on Saturday, Kalamazoo or Hope, and why? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 06, 2010, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: gohope on October 05, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 05, 2010, 07:14:15 PM
Wooden shoes?

The game between Hope and Kalamazoo will mark the  renewal of the "Wooden Shoes" rivalry between the Flying Dutchmen and Hornets. The rivalry started in 1910. It has been known as the "Wooden Shoes" rivalry since 1931.
 
Having a pair of hand-carved wooden shoes as a traveling trophy was the idea of Hope football coach Milton "Bud" Hinga who was a Kalamazoo College graduate.


Thakns! That helps a lot....it's kind of a cool traveling trophy.

On a sidenote about MIAA rivalries - Alma/KZOO will meet for the 100th time this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 07, 2010, 08:25:53 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 06, 2010, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: gohope on October 05, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 05, 2010, 07:14:15 PM
Wooden shoes?

The game between Hope and Kalamazoo will mark the  renewal of the "Wooden Shoes" rivalry between the Flying Dutchmen and Hornets. The rivalry started in 1910. It has been known as the "Wooden Shoes" rivalry since 1931.
 
Having a pair of hand-carved wooden shoes as a traveling trophy was the idea of Hope football coach Milton "Bud" Hinga who was a Kalamazoo College graduate.


Thakns! That helps a lot....it's kind of a cool traveling trophy.

On a sidenote about MIAA rivalries - Alma/KZOO will meet for the 100th time this year.

Hope@Kalamazoo is also the 100th meeting
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 07, 2010, 11:00:00 AM
How many traveling trophies are there in the MIAA. We all know about the famous wooden shoes, but what are the others?

Trine-Adrain has the Black and Blue Border Brawl trophy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 07, 2010, 02:33:23 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 07, 2010, 08:25:53 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 06, 2010, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: gohope on October 05, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 05, 2010, 07:14:15 PM
Wooden shoes?

The game between Hope and Kalamazoo will mark the  renewal of the "Wooden Shoes" rivalry between the Flying Dutchmen and Hornets. The rivalry started in 1910. It has been known as the "Wooden Shoes" rivalry since 1931.
 
Having a pair of hand-carved wooden shoes as a traveling trophy was the idea of Hope football coach Milton "Bud" Hinga who was a Kalamazoo College graduate.


Thakns! That helps a lot....it's kind of a cool traveling trophy.

On a sidenote about MIAA rivalries - Alma/KZOO will meet for the 100th time this year.

Hope@Kalamazoo is also the 100th meeting

Who is the favorite? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: realist on October 07, 2010, 03:56:35 PM
Following up on the discussion on the b-ball board regarding Calvin adding football. 
How many of the D3 football programs operate in the black (break even or make a profit) or are most programs subsidized?  What are the operational expenses on a yearly basis to field a football program? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 07, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: realist on October 07, 2010, 03:56:35 PM
Following up on the discussion on the b-ball board regarding Calvin adding football. 
How many of the D3 football programs operate in the black (break even or make a profit) or are most programs subsidized?  What are the operational expenses on a yearly basis to field a football program? 

That is a very difficult question to answer, because it depends on what revenues should be counted.  I'd say that direct football revenues vs. direct football costs, virtually every d3 program would be in the red.  But if alumni giving rises due to fb, or, especially, if a number of students are paying tuition who otherwise would not be enrolled, many if not most fb programs would be cost-neutral or even profitable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 07, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on October 07, 2010, 11:00:00 AM
How many traveling trophies are there in the MIAA. We all know about the famous wooden shoes, but what are the others?

Trine-Adrain has the Black and Blue Border Brawl trophy.

I had heard of something "way-back-when" with Albion/Alma....but I don't know if anything exists now.

I also know Kalamazoo/Olivet is supposedly a "Huge" rivalry, and even got shown on ESPN's 50 states in 50 days leading up to the first week of College football last summer, but I do not remember if it said anything of a traveling trophy.

I am close to the Alma SID, and I know he has an MIAA history book so I'll look at that sometime later this week to see further....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 09, 2010, 12:13:50 PM
WOW

Looking at the "pick-ems" I was surprisd to see so many people picking Kazoo over Hope

I thought I saw something in the young Kazoo team others would wait longer to trust.

Get a little defense play and they can make some noise in the coming years, with this young group of offense talent.

Great set of games in HS and College this weekend. Good weather to take in a few.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2010, 08:15:03 PM
Actually, I wasn't surprised that some people picked Kazoo over Hope today.  Since they beat Albion last week, in part, that I do not doubt had something to do with it.  In addition, after seeing them play today against us (Hope) I can see why.  Kazoo is a much improved team compared to its recent years.  Had Hope not "made the plays" when they needed to today (unlike they were not able to do in our first four games), Kazoo certainly could have won the game.  However, Hope was not going to let happen what did last year when Kazoo came back blazing in the second half and almost (although not quite) won the game.  Hope's 35-24 win today was a much needed additional boost of confidence, which we'll need for next week playing down at Albion.  It is always tough playing down there, even with Albion having a tough year as it has been.

It was extremely hot/humid today at the game - no clouds, totally sunny and no breeze at all.  While I will take that over the rain we had the last couple of weeks during the games, it was almost too hot.  Towards the end of the game, some players started having cramps even though they were taking lots of fluids.  Also, starting QB Feys sprained an ankle in the 3rd quarter but was able to return to finish the 4th quarter.  He'll probably play next week, but will obviously need to work with the training staff this week.

Reports on the other MIAA games today?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 09, 2010, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 09, 2010, 08:15:03 PM
Actually, I wasn't surprised that some people picked Kazoo over Hope today.  Since they beat Albion last week, in part, that I do not doubt had something to do with it.  In addition, after seeing them play today against us (Hope) I can see why.  Kazoo is a much improved team compared to its recent years.  Had Hope not "made the plays" when they needed to today (unlike they were not able to do in our first four games), Kazoo certainly could have won the game.  However, Hope was not going to let happen what did last year when Kazoo came back blazing in the second half and almost (although not quite) won the game.  Hope's 35-24 win today was a much needed additional boost of confidence, which we'll need for next week playing down at Albion.  It is always tough playing down there, even with Albion having a tough year as it has been.

It was extremely hot/humid today at the game - no clouds, totally sunny and no breeze at all.  While I will take that over the rain we had the last couple of weeks during the games, it was almost too hot.  Towards the end of the game, some players started having cramps even though they were taking lots of fluids.  Also, starting QB Feys sprained an ankle in the 3rd quarter but was able to return to finish the 4th quarter.  He'll probably play next week, but will obviously need to work with the training staff this week.

Reports on the other MIAA games today?

Formerd3db,

Congrats on the big Hope win, this may really help their season for the positive! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2010, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 09, 2010, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 09, 2010, 08:15:03 PM
Actually, I wasn't surprised that some people picked Kazoo over Hope today.  Since they beat Albion last week, in part, that I do not doubt had something to do with it.  In addition, after seeing them play today against us (Hope) I can see why.  Kazoo is a much improved team compared to its recent years.  Had Hope not "made the plays" when they needed to today (unlike they were not able to do in our first four games), Kazoo certainly could have won the game.  However, Hope was not going to let happen what did last year when Kazoo came back blazing in the second half and almost (although not quite) won the game.  Hope's 35-24 win today was a much needed additional boost of confidence, which we'll need for next week playing down at Albion.  It is always tough playing down there, even with Albion having a tough year as it has been.

It was extremely hot/humid today at the game - no clouds, totally sunny and no breeze at all.  While I will take that over the rain we had the last couple of weeks during the games, it was almost too hot.  Towards the end of the game, some players started having cramps even though they were taking lots of fluids.  Also, starting QB Feys sprained an ankle in the 3rd quarter but was able to return to finish the 4th quarter.  He'll probably play next week, but will obviously need to work with the training staff this week.

Reports on the other MIAA games today?

Formerd3db,

Congrats on the big Hope win, this may really help their season for the positive! :)

Thanks Raider.  Yes, it was nice to get that and, as I mentioned, it will be a postive for heading into next week's game at Albion (even though it will be tough down there).

Congrats on your Mount's win also.  While I expected them to win, I was surprised to see that they only beat Marietta by 28-14.  I guess Marietta is a much improved team it would appear.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 09, 2010, 09:30:34 PM
FormerD3db,

The Mount game was a very sloppy and one of the worst for the Raiders in terms on concentration. While Marietta has improved, Mount should have won by 42+, but rarely do they have down weeks! When you have a young team, it can happen!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CometAlum on October 10, 2010, 08:06:53 AM
I can take a loss, but I cannot take lack of game preperation and competitiveness. Olivet's program has been run into the ground.

After speaking with a senior who quit due to the lack of competence from the the coaching staff, I learned why we won't win a game this year. Players are not required to weight train or watch film. They do not have playbooks they can study, the coaches many of the coaches show up right before practice and leave right after practice. Players are not allowed to give feedback to the defensive coordinator on what's happening on the field. Roster is down to 60 players, they do not run a scout team. This program is just plain bad.

I know it is a new coaching staff and they had a very hard non-conference schedual, but three of those four teams we have been playing anyway and ha e been semi-competitive against them. Now we get blown out at Homecoming against Adrian. 4 first downs and 0 3rd down conversions. How long do play cover 2 before you realize it is not working.
It may be a lack of talant, but come on same story diffrent week.

I am thinking about wearing a paper bag over my head at the next home game.
Signed, Depressed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 10, 2010, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: CometAlum on October 10, 2010, 08:06:53 AM
I can take a loss, but I cannot take lack of game preperation and competitiveness. Olivet's program has been run into the ground.

After speaking with a senior who quit due to the lack of competence from the the coaching staff, I learned why we won't win a game this year. Players are not required to weight train or watch film. They do not have playbooks they can study, the coaches many of the coaches show up right before practice and leave right after practice. Players are not allowed to give feedback to the defensive coordinator on what's happening on the field. Roster is down to 60 players, they do not run a scout team. This program is just plain bad.

I know it is a new coaching staff and they had a very hard non-conference schedual, but three of those four teams we have been playing anyway and ha e been semi-competitive against them. Now we get blown out at Homecoming against Adrian. 4 first downs and 0 3rd down conversions. How long do play cover 2 before you realize it is not working.
It may be a lack of talant, but come on same story diffrent week.

I am thinking about wearing a paper bag over my head at the next home game.
Signed, Depressed.


Wow, that's definately not what you want to here from a team that is struggling. I know the coaches at Alma were still in the film office at 8:00 pm on Friday working on film for Trine. There isn't a day of the week where I don't see those guys in the office by noon, or out of the office before 7:00. This also may be easier with the great coaching facilities at Alma - not sure what Olivet has - becuase we have 3 full coaches offices for football, each of them have 2 workstations, along with a film office that has 2 workstations, and a complete workroom that has two (going to be 4 within the next year) workstations.

But on the flipside, with the cover 2 you are talking about. At one point, if you're a coach, you may decide that you're bad, so just try to build your program with the offense and defense you are going to run....you may struggle for a few seasons, but at least you're putting in your offense/defense into the program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2010, 09:23:50 AM
CometAlum:

If how the program is being run is true (assuming what the senior told you is exactly what has been going on), that is not only very sad, but disappointing.  And the attendance turnout for yesterday's Homecoming game there as reported was atrocious. :( Those kind of arrangements constitute the same type of situation that Olivet was in before Sigler took over a few years back; coaches arriving late (or not showing up at all people reported), and the roster getting down to about 42 people for the latter half of the season one year.  Of course, a new staff has to be given some leeway and a chance, particularly in the first year.  However, if Coach Hulkow and his staff continue to run the program like you say it is, I would say that most people would agree with you that Olivet is in trouble for quite some time.  Could it be that Hulkow is in over his head?  This, albeit small college football, is college football and it is a completely different "animal" than high school, even if someone had a successful career in running a top notch high school program including state championships.

I realize that at the majority of small schools (and particularly one the size of Olivet), the assistant coaching staff salaries are miniscule, most of the coaching staff are part-time, holding other full-time jobs with families and/or are going to school and the hours even at this level are very long and time consuming - much, much more than high school.  You can't run a program like it is done in high school in most of the ways it is done at the latter level and if coaches aren't able to commit to the extreme amount of time it takes at this level, a program will be at the lower tier and medicore at best.  I am not saying that Hulkow and staff are not committed nor putting additional time into their weekly preparation, as obviously, I do not know any details or particulars other than what you have told all of us here, and based on what you are sharing from the senior (and assuming that person is not just a disgruntled player who did not get playing time or some other underlyiing dispute/problem between him and the coaching staff). However, if what you relate is the status of the program at present, Olivet has/is regressing back to its very poor state of operations that it had a few decades ago and that is very sad.  I can't believe the administration and/or the alumni would allow that to happen at this point - they seemed to have made some great strides the past 12 years or so overall including the facilites, the last 3 years in football notwithstanding.  Yet, when only 955 people show up for the Homecoming football game, something is wrong.  Just my take on this based on the info you have related.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 10, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
"Albion a difficult place to play"

For the record, Hope's record at Albion is abysmal, so much so I don't want to look it up again. :-[

But hey, first place Dutchmen....Wooooo!

...and these babies can be placed back in their display case for another year.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3Aq1-YcOEIzHQfUM%3Al&hash=75205ef1a8c1edb8c11c56b4bcb3d735a8af8d37)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 10, 2010, 05:36:32 PM
I think it's safe to say that the Dutchmen only have a few more weeks til Trine rolls into town....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2010, 08:37:21 PM
sflzman:
Yes, we know that, but...we'll enjoy this for now! ;)  I can safely say also that Hope will be taking/thinking about only the next game one at a time. ;)

Sorry Alma's Homecoming was spoiled by Albion.  Nice crowd for that (3,000 as was mentioned) and although it would have been nicer to have about 4,000 in the stands, I'm sure that it was a gorgeous day on campus for the reunions, activities, and later evening parties despite the football game loss.



sac:
Yes, nice photo and those shoes are in good shape after all these years.  They'll look nice in the display case at Hope again!  Also, you are very correct about the record at Sprankle-Sprandal Stadium/Morely Fraser Field (formerly known as Alumni Field), however, like you, I don't even want to look it up or think about it!  Too many memories of bad game outcomes down there when I played "way back then". ;D :( ::)  Maybe, just maybe we'll get lucky this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 10, 2010, 10:04:44 PM
It's unfortunate for the loss, yes, but Alma truly was as good as Albion. Besides the 2 big play's by Orr (50 yard run to set up a TD, and 70+ yard TD reception) Alma was right in the game. The secondary was clearly hurting - no pun intended - when our starting FS and CB went down with injuries, and starting the 2nd True Freshman of the season is always tough. Although, Garrett Cook looked a lot better than what I had seen from Richard 5 games in....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2010, 10:34:12 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 10, 2010, 10:04:44 PM
It's unfortunate for the loss, yes, but Alma truly was as good as Albion. Besides the 2 big play's by Orr (50 yard run to set up a TD, and 70+ yard TD reception) Alma was right in the game. The secondary was clearly hurting - no pun intended - when our starting FS and CB went down with injuries, and starting the 2nd True Freshman of the season is always tough. Although, Garrett Cook looked a lot better than what I had seen from Richard 5 games in....

Sorry to hear about the injuries to the players in your secondary.  I hope those are not serious.  Also, indeed, I saw from Alma's website that you guys had started another freshman QB for this game.  Somewhat surprising that Coach Cole and Coach Leister would make a change at this point, unless Cook had really beaten out Richard this past week in practice.  One has to consider that any true freshman is going to make mistakes for awhile until they continue to get more experience as each week goes by.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see how that plays out for you guys the remainder of the season.

Also, I think that from what you've described, and what we've all seen so far from the various teams, is that Alma, Albion, Hope, Kazoo (and Adrian) are all pretty much near the same and that it just depends on any particular Saturday which team has their "poor" day i.e. that any of these teams could beat each other.   Obviously, each week we'll see who is eliminated and who emerges to be the "final" challenge against Trine for the title and that should be interesting, although, most likely, this scene will clear up very quickly in the next two weeks or so.  Someone will be the real spoiler I'm sure.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2010, 10:47:37 PM
sflzman and colleagues:

Ok, friends, I need some help.  I am a "computer idiot" and am having trouble uploading a photo for my profile for posting here.  How does one do this?  When I go to the change profile section, I can't get my photo, which I have as a jpeg in my C drive on my computer, to get placed/copied on the profile page.  On the other hand, are we still allowed to upload the photos from the "helmet project" website and if so, how do I do that i.e. does anyone have the www. and/or url and how to do that, if I am not able to upload my own photo?  Thanks for your help.

formerd3db
computer idiot ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 11, 2010, 07:40:30 AM
Well, for the helmet project you need the url, which is: http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/Alma_MI.gif

You probably don't want the alma helmet, but it works the same way for others, http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/School_2 Letter State Abbreviation

If the picture you want is on your computer, then you need to upload it on to a website before you can get it to your profile.

Hope this helps

Quote from: formerd3db on October 10, 2010, 10:34:12 PM
Also, indeed, I saw from Alma's website that you guys had started another freshman QB for this game.  Somewhat surprising that Coach Cole and Coach Leister would make a change at this point, unless Cook had really beaten out Richard this past week in practice.  One has to consider that any true freshman is going to make mistakes for awhile until they continue to get more experience as each week goes by.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see how that plays out for you guys the remainder of the season. 

Cook had been the JV starter, and had apparently played really well, as our JV has averaged something like 40 points a game. I really don't know how much better our offense is going to do, no matter who's at QB. I think our offense is trying to get through the season, then Leister can start and it'll be all good. Then our problem is that we loose Schaar, who - in my opinion - is the best WR in the league.

The other thing I've noticed that has caused a handful of interceptions this year is our extreme lack of size at WR. That crossing route that had always been there for McGrady in the past seasons with Matt Brown, or Brad Gray isn't working as well this season because of the lack of big strong receivers. Barak Henderson is 6-6 with good speed, but he can't get hit, and I don't think we have any other major receivers over 6 feet tall....

I do also agree that 2nd place is going to go any of the teams - i doubt alma or olivet, both being 0-2 - and it's going to come down to the last week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2010, 08:17:49 AM
sflzman:
Thanks for the info on both accounts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2010, 10:43:20 AM
Helmet Project doesn't let you do that with its photos, however, and other sites may similarly block that type of usage. Some online photo services do the same thing, however, last I saw photobucket was still allowing you to display images hosted on their site remotely on other sites.

You can find the URL of a photo in general by right-clicking on it and selecting Copy Image Location if you're in Firefox, or clicking Properties in IE and then copying the location from the window that pops up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2010, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2010, 10:43:20 AM
Helmet Project doesn't let you do that with its photos, however, and other sites may similarly block that type of usage. Some online photo services do the same thing, however, last I saw photobucket was still allowing you to display images hosted on their site remotely on other sites.

You can find the URL of a photo in general by right-clicking on it and selecting Copy Image Location if you're in Firefox, or clicking Properties in IE and then copying the location from the window that pops up.

Obviously, I don't want to impinge on copyrights - I'm a published author myself, so I am well aware of those aspects.  :) Yet, admittedly, I was not aware the Helmet Project wouldn't allow posting of the helmets here.  When I clicked on the site, the Hope helmet came up, although I see it is now changed, either by you or them - which is fine with me.  Still, I see that some other posters on here apparently still have the helmet project photos still up on their profiles.

Here is my problem Pat; I have a photo of a Hope helmet that I took myself, but it is on my C drive of my own computer and I can't get it to copy on the profile page you have for some reason i.e. it won't transfer over from my computer when tyring to attach it from the "browse" section of my own documents - the "location" on my computer in my documents gets posted on your area of the profile, but then the picture doesn't come through.  Any suggestions? Help please!  Your instructins regarding the "right click" andProperties in IE apply?  Sorry for my ignorance on this as again, I am not as knowledgable on these aspects as you and our colleagues.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 11, 2010, 12:19:12 PM
Formed3db,

Maybe I can help with that. You notice that I have a Raider helmut. Is there a picture of one available on a website? I check as well! :)

I sent you a PM, I have the Hope helmut picture!! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2010, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 11, 2010, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2010, 10:43:20 AM
Helmet Project doesn't let you do that with its photos, however, and other sites may similarly block that type of usage. Some online photo services do the same thing, however, last I saw photobucket was still allowing you to display images hosted on their site remotely on other sites.

You can find the URL of a photo in general by right-clicking on it and selecting Copy Image Location if you're in Firefox, or clicking Properties in IE and then copying the location from the window that pops up.

Obviously, I don't want to impinge on copyrights - I'm a published author myself, so I am well aware of those aspects.  :) Yet, admittedly, I was not aware the Helmet Project wouldn't allow posting of the helmets here.  When I clicked on the site, the Hope helmet came up, although I see it is now changed, either by you or them - which is fine with me.  Still, I see that some other posters on here apparently still have the helmet project photos still up on their profiles.

Here is my problem Pat; I have a photo of a Hope helmet that I took myself, but it is on my C drive of my own computer and I can't get it to copy on the profile page you have for some reason i.e. it won't transfer over from my computer when tyring to attach it from the "browse" section of my own documents - the "location" on my computer in my documents gets posted on your area of the profile, but then the picture doesn't come through.  Any suggestions? Help please!  Your instructins regarding the "right click" andProperties in IE apply?  Sorry for my ignorance on this as again, I am not as knowledgable on these aspects as you and our colleagues.  Thanks.

No, you have to get it onto the internet somewhere else -- we don't have space to host avatars for posters.

68, for example, found his Raiders helmet somewhere besides the Helmet Project.

http://www.rowanfootball.com/images/Mount_Union%20helmet.gif
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 11, 2010, 05:40:53 PM
If you're looking for Hope, I have another URL. http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/HopeFootball.GIF

If you're not looking for Hope, just use the URL, but change the word "Hope" as long as the team is in a conference relatively close to alma, it should be there. I think it stretches to the MIAC West, and the OCA/HCAC East...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 11, 2010, 05:45:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2010, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 11, 2010, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2010, 10:43:20 AM
Helmet Project doesn't let you do that with its photos, however, and other sites may similarly block that type of usage. Some online photo services do the same thing, however, last I saw photobucket was still allowing you to display images hosted on their site remotely on other sites.

You can find the URL of a photo in general by right-clicking on it and selecting Copy Image Location if you're in Firefox, or clicking Properties in IE and then copying the location from the window that pops up.

Obviously, I don't want to impinge on copyrights - I'm a published author myself, so I am well aware of those aspects.  :) Yet, admittedly, I was not aware the Helmet Project wouldn't allow posting of the helmets here.  When I clicked on the site, the Hope helmet came up, although I see it is now changed, either by you or them - which is fine with me.  Still, I see that some other posters on here apparently still have the helmet project photos still up on their profiles.

Here is my problem Pat; I have a photo of a Hope helmet that I took myself, but it is on my C drive of my own computer and I can't get it to copy on the profile page you have for some reason i.e. it won't transfer over from my computer when tyring to attach it from the "browse" section of my own documents - the "location" on my computer in my documents gets posted on your area of the profile, but then the picture doesn't come through.  Any suggestions? Help please!  Your instructins regarding the "right click" andProperties in IE apply?  Sorry for my ignorance on this as again, I am not as knowledgable on these aspects as you and our colleagues.  Thanks.

No, you have to get it onto the internet somewhere else -- we don't have space to host avatars for posters.

68, for example, found his Raiders helmet somewhere besides the Helmet Project.

http://www.rowanfootball.com/images/Mount_Union%20helmet.gif

Formerd3db,

Pat is correct and I have the Hope helmut from another source. Just let me know and we can get it done for you! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2010, 09:36:56 PM
Raider, sflzman and Pat:

Thanks all of you for the help.  Also, Raider and sflzman, I sent you guys a note - check your personal messages.

Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 12, 2010, 01:47:56 PM
formerd3db,

You are welcome, helmut looks good! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 12, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
formerd3db, I saw on the Hope website the soccer team is doing the purple uniform thing for one of its games.

Is the football team going to do that again this year?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2010, 03:50:28 PM
Thanks Raider68 and thanks again for the help.  I'm just trying to keep up with you guys and the high standards expected here! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2010, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
formerd3db, I saw on the Hope website the soccer team is doing the purple uniform thing for one of its games.

Is the football team going to do that again this year?

sac:

From what I heard a few weeks ago, the possible scenario this year that was to be considered is to just take up donations from the players and their families.  While the football team players and coaching staff obviously liked contributing to such a worthy cause, the color of the purple jersey's didn't go over all that great.  Although they are a "keepsake" and memory of the occasion, the jersies did cost a lot of money, players weren't so sure they would wear them around later in the off season, and, rather than spend the $ on colored jerseys that would only be used once, the thinking was it would be better just to contribute $ to the cause rather than waste additional $ on jerseys.  I haven't heard if they thought about doing just an armband or perhaps even just a sticker for the helmets or something similar.  Of course, those kind of aspects still have to be approved by the NCAA and those also still costs extra $ (unless a business donates those).

As I mentioned, that is what I heard a while back, however, admittedly, I do not know what, if any, updated plans are for contributing and participating in that cause for this year.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 12, 2010, 07:56:06 PM
...but purple and orange go so well together. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2010, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2010, 07:56:06 PM
...but purple and orange go so well together. ;)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! :o :P  We'll see about that this Saturday!  I hope you are doing well sac.  Will you be at the game down at Albion?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on October 12, 2010, 11:44:19 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
formerd3db, I saw on the Hope website the soccer team is doing the purple uniform thing for one of its games.

Is the football team going to do that again this year?

The purple uniform game was tonight. Olivet won the game 3-2 in double overtime. Comets sent the game to overtime with a goal with 23 seconds left in regulation and won it 3:05 into the second overtime. Should also mention that Olivet is the only MIAA men's soccer team to beat Hope on the Van Andel turf. Comets won 1-0 last year in the first-ever game there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 13, 2010, 12:08:22 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 12, 2010, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2010, 07:56:06 PM
...but purple and orange go so well together. ;)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! :o :P  We'll see about that this Saturday!  I hope you are doing well sac.  Will you be at the game down at Albion?

I will be in Ann Arbor.  :) or  ??? or  ::) or  >:( or  :o or  :-\  or  :'( or  ;D

Quote from: OC_SID on October 12, 2010, 11:44:19 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
formerd3db, I saw on the Hope website the soccer team is doing the purple uniform thing for one of its games.

Is the football team going to do that again this year?

The purple uniform game was tonight. Olivet won the game 3-2 in double overtime. Comets sent the game to overtime with a goal with 23 seconds left in regulation and won it 3:05 into the second overtime. Should also mention that Olivet is the only MIAA men's soccer team to beat Hope on the Van Andel turf. Comets won 1-0 last year in the first-ever game there.

Well the Hope men's soccer team has done a sensational job throwing away all the good feelings from beating #1 Calvin at home a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 13, 2010, 07:39:09 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on October 12, 2010, 11:44:19 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
formerd3db, I saw on the Hope website the soccer team is doing the purple uniform thing for one of its games.

Is the football team going to do that again this year?

The purple uniform game was tonight. Olivet won the game 3-2 in double overtime. Comets sent the game to overtime with a goal with 23 seconds left in regulation and won it 3:05 into the second overtime. Should also mention that Olivet is the only MIAA men's soccer team to beat Hope on the Van Andel turf. Comets won 1-0 last year in the first-ever game there.

That would really stink losing the first game ever in your brand new arena/stadium....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 14, 2010, 08:43:18 AM
So with Hope starting off 2-0 in conference, is this another year where their tough non-conference schedule has helped prepare them for the MIAA ? Because I remember the last time they won the conference they ran the table in the MIAA and finished 6-4.  And I hate to look ahead, but could next weekend be the showdown for the conference championship?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 14, 2010, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on October 14, 2010, 08:43:18 AM
So with Hope starting off 2-0 in conference, is this another year where their tough non-conference schedule has helped prepare them for the MIAA ? Because I remember the last time they won the conference they ran the table in the MIAA and finished 6-4.  And I hate to look ahead, but could next weekend be the showdown for the conference championship?

Sure it is! As long as both teams take care of business this weekend, then the following week end ends up being the match up of undefeated teams in the conference. I do think that Hope definitely has a tougher test than Trine does this week.

Albion should be looking to prove some things against Hope, while Alma is on the road with a true Freshman starting at QB. I do believe that Trine's only concern this week is beating Alma - they will not look past the Scots.

Hope has played Trine as tough as anyone thepast few years, that being said andme being a Thunder fan I still think Trine beats Hope in two weeks by 21. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 14, 2010, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 14, 2010, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on October 14, 2010, 08:43:18 AM
So with Hope starting off 2-0 in conference, is this another year where their tough non-conference schedule has helped prepare them for the MIAA ? Because I remember the last time they won the conference they ran the table in the MIAA and finished 6-4.  And I hate to look ahead, but could next weekend be the showdown for the conference championship?

Sure it is! As long as both teams take care of business this weekend, then the following week end ends up being the match up of undefeated teams in the conference. I do think that Hope definitely has a tougher test than Trine does this week.

Albion should be looking to prove some things against Hope, while Alma is on the road with a true Freshman starting at QB. I do believe that Trine's only concern this week is beating Alma - they will not look past the Scots.

Hope has played Trine as tough as anyone thepast few years, that being said andme being a Thunder fan I still think Trine beats Hope in two weeks by 21. 

Good post, nice helmut! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2010, 01:00:27 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 14, 2010, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 14, 2010, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on October 14, 2010, 08:43:18 AM
So with Hope starting off 2-0 in conference, is this another year where their tough non-conference schedule has helped prepare them for the MIAA ? Because I remember the last time they won the conference they ran the table in the MIAA and finished 6-4.  And I hate to look ahead, but could next weekend be the showdown for the conference championship?

Sure it is! As long as both teams take care of business this weekend, then the following week end ends up being the match up of undefeated teams in the conference. I do think that Hope definitely has a tougher test than Trine does this week.

Albion should be looking to prove some things against Hope, while Alma is on the road with a true Freshman starting at QB. I do believe that Trine's only concern this week is beating Alma - they will not look past the Scots.

Hope has played Trine as tough as anyone thepast few years, that being said andme being a Thunder fan I still think Trine beats Hope in two weeks by 21.  

Good post, nice helmut! +k :)

Ditto to all 3 of you! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 14, 2010, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on October 14, 2010, 08:43:18 AM
So with Hope starting off 2-0 in conference, is this another year where their tough non-conference schedule has helped prepare them for the MIAA ? Because I remember the last time they won the conference they ran the table in the MIAA and finished 6-4.  And I hate to look ahead, but could next weekend be the showdown for the conference championship?

I got a chance to talk to a couple of the Trine coaches last weekend, and believe me, they are not going to let themselves or their players overlook anybody.  They seem very focused on the goal at hand, and taking it one game at a time.

Hope has to get past a good Albion team first, but they do seem to be back in the conference hunt. And Hope has played Trine very tough the last few years.  I will never forget the 31-30 game from a couple years ago. (winning at the last second on a blocked extra point will stick in your mind)

But  to look ahead to any potential "conference championship" matchups is a mute point.  Halfway through the year, Trine has showed they are the class of the conference.  Lets see if they can handle having the target on their back and getting everyone else's best shot.  Even with one conference loss, Trine should be alright as I think the rest of the conference will beat each other to the point where there will be a bunch of 3-3 teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 15, 2010, 10:11:23 AM
Your right Bored, looking ahead to anything in the MIAA is putting the cart before horse.  Anything can happen in this conference on any given day. And I too remember that PAT getting blocked like it happened yesterday.  I brought up the Hope comment because of the discussion about players/coaches when Hope was struggling.  And almost every year Hope struggles during non conference and some how turns it on when MIAA play starts
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 15, 2010, 10:30:19 AM
Diezel1:

I know what you mean.  While Hope is not a great team obviously, still they could have easily won any of those first four games they lost had they "just made the plays when they needed to".  Good teams do that, although I will say, in the two wins in the last two weeks, they have done just that and...the overall attitude is so much better. Of course, one can argue that always is the case when you win! ;) Yet, had Hope won those first four games, I can just imagine how, perhaps, some people would have been saying how great a team they were.  I said this many tiimes here in the longterm past (as have some others) that I still personally believe (as I'm sure many others do), that until we can turn the corner and win those non-conference games, we'll not have much chance in progressing in the playoffs when Hope gets the latter opportunity in any year they end up winning the league title.  Still, by playing a tough non-conference schedule, I think in the long run (pun intended ;D), it does help a program, although, admittedly, it is no fun not winning.  You have to win those games - at least some of them for "for the sake of saving your sanity"! ;) ;D ::)

Regardless, as you, Bored, and the others have said, no one in the MIAA who is contending for the title (in any year) can take for granted any MIAA team.  Aside from Albion's ten year or so run in the 1990's, the MIAA race has always been one that, for the most part, comes down to the latter portion of the season.  As such, people better be ready.

Anyway, good luck to everyone's team tomorrow (except Albion against us! ::) :P ;D). I'm sure we'll have some good topics to talk about after tomorrow's game results.  Also, you people be careful and drive safe if you are going to the games (too many very sad auto related deaths of several young people in our home community region here this past week :() .  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2010, 01:06:41 PM
Here's some notes about the Hope game from Albion's side of things:
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/3884-football-team-prepares-to-tackle-hope

It also looks like they will have live video of the game:
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/varsity-schedule/1174


There is also a video called 'Inside the Briton Huddle' which talks mostly about last weeks game.  My computer hated it and decided it could go on no longer, and I had to stop it about 1/3 in.

http://www.albion.edu/sports/


I also didn't know that before 1976 teams had to walk 3 blocks from the locker rooms at Kresge Gymnasium to the stadium. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 15, 2010, 04:13:18 PM
sac:
Thanks for the Albion info.  Very informative. BTW, (and I'm "dating" myself here ::) ;D, although I can still knock some people around on a field! ;)), I remember those pre-and-post 1976 times well.  I played in that 1975 Hope/Ablion 10-10 tie down there - the one which was saved in the last 10 seconds of the game when our tallest player receiver Dave "Duff" DeZwaan batted the ball down at the goal post in a driving wind and snowstorm to prevent us from losing.  That year, it was us that ended up in the top ten NCAA Div. III national rankings, but, like Albion the next year in 1976 as was noted on the web site article you linked for us, we could not accept an invitation to the playoffs then due to the (ridiculous ::) ;D) MIAA ban on post-season play at that time.  That was unfortunate because either year, '75 and '76, both us and Albion would have had a great chance at advancing in the playoffs, IMO.

That year was the last for Alumni Field in that form - i.e. the field is in the same place and the bleachers were up on the hill where the permanent brick/concrete homestands are now and close to full field length of bleachers (4 sets) on the visitors side, with the early 1900's concrete athletic field fencing as it is today, gave (and still does) the stadium a really neat, closed in feeling.  Of course, the current stadium which was then built the following year in 1976 as you noted with locker rooms there instead of at Kresge, is very nice and has been expanded as far as facilities in recent years, although Albion needs to enlarge/renovate and update the pressbox (with a covered top for the photographers/video crews on the top to protect them from the weather!).  In 1977, we lost a tough game down there, which was the year Albion went to the NCAA playoffs, being the first team to do so since the 1960 ban on post-season play.

My apologies if I've bored anyone with the above "trip down memory lane", but I thought I would just share those with all of you in response to the comment about Kresge on their campus as well as, again, in reference to the discussion several of us have had this week here on our board as to what a tough place it is to play down there at Albion.  It's never been kind to us. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 15, 2010, 04:55:07 PM
Formerd3db,

Any prediction on the Hope/Albion game, what will be the deciding factors? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
Raider68:

Of course, I hope we win, however, as I've mentioned previously here, it is always a tough situation for us when we play down at Albion.  I personally think that we tend to get "psyched out" in that way i.e. that we're in for a tough time, although obviously if you think that way, then negative things tend to happen.  Anyway, it is hard to predict.  Albion has had a good running game of recent it appears, so if Hope can shut that down, that will be a key.  Certainly, our secondary needs to not give up the big pass play and they've done a good job of that the past two weeks.  If they falter in that, I think we're in trouble.  Finally, Hope just needs to make the plays when they have to i.e. we can't be missing extra points, or blocked field goals or not scoring a TD when you are in the red zone as happened in the first four games.  Overall, I expect a close game, but as always in a Hope/Albion game, there is that possibility (fear ::)) of a blowout happening - it only takes a few short minutes for the game to "get out of hand" and that somewhow seems to occur late in the game (say end of 3rd quarter) - which makes for "playing catch-up" in the last minutes a very tough task.  We'll see what happens.

BTW, it will be interesting to see how your Mount Union responds today (at least after reading the posts in discussion from you and your colleagues over on the OAC board).  Have a great time if you are going to the game.  Looks like the weather will be nice today - at least not that horrid humidity we had last Saturday (although I'll take that over rain any time. ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 16, 2010, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 16, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
Raider68:

Of course, I hope we win, however, as I've mentioned previously here, it is always a tough situation for us when we play down at Albion.  I personally think that we tend to get "psyched out" in that way i.e. that we're in for a tough time, although obviously if you think that way, then negative things tend to happen.  Anyway, it is hard to predict.  Albion has had a good running game of recent it appears, so if Hope can shut that down, that will be a key.  Certainly, our secondary needs to not give up the big pass play and they've done a good job of that the past two weeks.  If they falter in that, I think we're in trouble.  Finally, Hope just needs to make the plays when they have to i.e. we can't be missing extra points, or blocked field goals or not scoring a TD when you are in the red zone as happened in the first four games.  Overall, I expect a close game, but as always in a Hope/Albion game, there is that possibility (fear ::)) of a blowout happening - it only takes a few short minutes for the game to "get out of hand" and that somewhow seems to occur late in the game (say end of 3rd quarter) - which makes for "playing catch-up" in the last minutes a very tough task.  We'll see what happens.

BTW, it will be interesting to see how your Mount Union responds today (at least after reading the posts in discussion from you and your colleagues over on the OAC board).  Have a great time if you are going to the game.  Looks like the weather will be nice today - at least not that horrid humidity we had last Saturday (although I'll take that over rain any time. ;))

Formerd3db,

I think the Hope/Albion game will be a close one. On the Mount Union game, Mount should come back with a strong game at home against Heidelberg, but probably missing their best player today WR Cecil Shorts with a toe issue last week. I'll watch the game on tape delay, since our children bought us tickets(anniversary) to see "Blue Man Group" at Playhouse Square in Cleveland. Heard the show has done well! :)

Maybe your new Helmut logo on this board will bring Hope some magic! +k ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 16, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
So far, no good on that helmet logo for Hope....

The Scots surprisingly were only down 17-0 at the half to Trine, although it looks like Trine didn't really play "full-out"...Alma should get beat pretty badly, so many injuries.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2010, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 16, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
So far, no good on that helmet logo for Hope....

The Scots surprisingly were only down 17-0 at the half to Trine, although it looks like Trine didn't really play "full-out"...Alma should get beat pretty badly, so many injuries.....

QB Eric Watt was hurt and missed most of the game.  Hargraves did a good job in relief, and the defense stepped it up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 18, 2010, 07:33:43 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2010, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 16, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
So far, no good on that helmet logo for Hope....

The Scots surprisingly were only down 17-0 at the half to Trine, although it looks like Trine didn't really play "full-out"...Alma should get beat pretty badly, so many injuries.....

QB Eric Watt was hurt and missed most of the game.  Hargraves did a good job in relief, and the defense stepped it up.

Oh, Watt was hurt...I didn't know that...I assumed Watt didn't play because Trine figured with all of Alma's injuried they would roll over and Trine could win without Watt - that way saving him from injury.

Do you know how serious?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 18, 2010, 07:45:54 AM
Not serious.  He should be back for the Hope game this weekend.  I think they just decided to rest him after he was injured.  I agree with Uncle Rico - Hargraves did a good job of stepping up during the game.

Lots of injuries in the NFL yesterday.  It's been a crazy year for injuries.  Lions may have to rotate back to Stafford again!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2010, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 18, 2010, 07:33:43 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2010, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 16, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
So far, no good on that helmet logo for Hope....

The Scots surprisingly were only down 17-0 at the half to Trine, although it looks like Trine didn't really play "full-out"...Alma should get beat pretty badly, so many injuries.....

QB Eric Watt was hurt and missed most of the game.  Hargraves did a good job in relief, and the defense stepped it up.

Oh, Watt was hurt...I didn't know that...I assumed Watt didn't play because Trine figured with all of Alma's injuried they would roll over and Trine could win without Watt - that way saving him from injury.

Do you know how serious?

Sflzman ... Alma didn't seem to roll over, and played the game with some hard-hitting.  


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on October 18, 2010, 09:50:35 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2010, 05:21:52 PM
Well, obviously the chance for a "match-up of the league unbeatens" went down the drain on Saturday with Hope's very dismal performance in the loss to Albion.  I give Albion credit as they are a much better team than people have indicated (although, obviously, they had the chance to improve since the beginning of the season).  I will say, though, that I was surprised we collapsed as we did.  We crushed Alma, but Albion struggled to beat them (according to all the Albion people I talked with the game on Saturday) and then they end up crushing us.  Go figure - I guess, perhaps, that is some of the parity overall that the MIAA has shown the past 3-4 years or so (similar to like that in NCAA DI as we've all seen).  But, again, it shows what I was talking about all last week here on this board about how tough it is for us (Hope) down at Spankle-Sprandal Stadium/Morely Frazer Field. :( ;)

Beautiful day for the game on Saturday - perfect fall football weather, nice crowd at the stadium.  It was nice to see that Ron Vanderlinden received his award/induction into the Albion Athletic Hall of Fame.  I remember playing against him.  He currently is a full-time assistant on Paterno's staff at Penn State since 2002; prior to that he was head coach at the Univ. of Maryland, prior to that Def coordinator at Northwestern with Barnett, prior to that with him out at Colorado, and priior to that 10 years with Denny Stolz at Bowling Green, and 1-2 years at Albion after his graduation.  A great coach and career. So congrats to Vanderlinden on his award.

I guess that we can only hope for an upset against Trine this Saturday at Homecoming.  Would be nice to meet you Trine guys even if only for a few minutes.  So if Uncle Rico, LIR and Bored, and colleagues are going to be there as I'm sure most of you will, let me know and we can try to at least say hi for a minute or so and "put a face to a name" of fellow posters here all of us. :)    
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 18, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2010, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 18, 2010, 07:33:43 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2010, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 16, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
So far, no good on that helmet logo for Hope....

The Scots surprisingly were only down 17-0 at the half to Trine, although it looks like Trine didn't really play "full-out"...Alma should get beat pretty badly, so many injuries.....

QB Eric Watt was hurt and missed most of the game.  Hargraves did a good job in relief, and the defense stepped it up.

Oh, Watt was hurt...I didn't know that...I assumed Watt didn't play because Trine figured with all of Alma's injuried they would roll over and Trine could win without Watt - that way saving him from injury.

Do you know how serious?

Sflzman ... Alma didn't seem to roll over, and played the game with some hard-hitting.  




I sure would hope we wouldn't roll over....even if you think you don't have a good chance of winning, you always want to be the team who upsets the top 25 team, and shakes up the conference....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2010, 07:19:12 PM
I forgot to mention:  I saw on the main page here on D3fb.com that that college in PA Mesericordia is adding football, to start in 2012.  Very interesting.  I thought I new just about everything (well...a fair amount anyway ;D) about the majority of small colleges that participate in DIII athletics, but I had never heard of this school before.  Perhaps that is because they've never had a football team before and my intereste/research in the past regarding college football with regard to DIII has essentially been confined to those schools who have had programs from the either the beginning of the college game or have had teams for a long time. 

Anyway, it is good to see them adding the sport and being in the CC in PA.

Of course, we'll have the two new programs of Concordia-Ann Arbor and Siena Heights starting next year, although they will be NAIA scholarship programs.  Still, a Siena Heights/Adrian College game cross-town rivalry will be neat to see.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 18, 2010, 09:32:21 PM
I believe Finlandia is adding NCAA football too....interesting to see how they'll be at that....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2010, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 18, 2010, 09:32:21 PM
I believe Finlandia is adding NCAA football too....interesting to see how they'll be at that....

Yes, we discussed that on this board earlier this spring, although, understandably, you wouldn't have known that since you hadn't joined as a poster here until recently.  Anyway, I agree with you in that it will be interesting to see how they handle it.  The general consensus here was that they would probably concentrate more on recruiting in Wisconsin and perhaps even Minnesota a bit, although no doubt they may get their share of Michigan recruits even though it is a very long way up there to the UP.  Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan seem to do quite well with recruits from down this way in mid and lower Michigan, although Finlandia will be DIII non-scholarship so it might be slightly more difficult.  On the other hand, perhaps not since tuition there is probably not as high as the other DIII schools down this way (of course, that is my assumption as, admittedly, I have not checked the college's website to see what it actually is for this year).  With an enrollement just over 500, they'll be like some of the smallest DIII schools playing football, so again, it will be interesting to see how that plays out.  I don't expect big attendence to their games, but then again, who knows at this point?  They have a DIII hockey program and a basketball team, so like those teams, I'm sure they'll play some of the smaller schools downstate here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 18, 2010, 11:13:01 PM
With 4 weeks left, it appears that the North Region will be a tough one and that Trine will have some real competition. A few good teams come to mind, Ohio Northern, North Central, Case Western Reserve, Wittenberg. It will be interesting to see how the teams are bracketed.  :-\

But, now back to the regular season! The thought of the playoffs should make it more interesting for MIAA and Trine supporters! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 19, 2010, 01:43:20 AM
thoughts of playoffs already?!?!  too many games left in the season for that talk!  But yes the north region always seems to be stacked with talent in the playoffs.  whatever team gets the automatic bid from the MIAA never has an easy game in the first round.

Now I know ranks are just numbers and nothing else but it was very exciting when Trine became ranked for the first time ever 3 years ago.  Should they continue to win in the MIAA does anyone forsee them rising any higher than 15 in the D3 polls or is the strength of schedule simply not there to support a higher bid?!  just a thought for discussion
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 19, 2010, 05:10:20 AM
True...way too early to talk playoffs.  I recall Hope and KZoo have given Trine some very close matches.  One slip up and the conference title and a good playoff start are in real jeopardy.  The only game that matters is the one on Saturday.  Trine still has to earn that playoff spot before they can think about regional pairings.

Regarding rankings, Trine could win their next few games by 50 each week, and they still won't get higher in the D3football.com polls unless a bunch of teams above them lose, as well as the ones below them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 19, 2010, 06:58:04 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 18, 2010, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 18, 2010, 09:32:21 PM
I believe Finlandia is adding NCAA football too....interesting to see how they'll be at that....

Yes, we discussed that on this board earlier this spring, although, understandably, you wouldn't have known that since you hadn't joined as a poster here until recently.  Anyway, I agree with you in that it will be interesting to see how they handle it.  The general consensus here was that they would probably concentrate more on recruiting in Wisconsin and perhaps even Minnesota a bit, although no doubt they may get their share of Michigan recruits even though it is a very long way up there to the UP.  Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan seem to do quite well with recruits from down this way in mid and lower Michigan, although Finlandia will be DIII non-scholarship so it might be slightly more difficult.  On the other hand, perhaps not since tuition there is probably not as high as the other DIII schools down this way (of course, that is my assumption as, admittedly, I have not checked the college's website to see what it actually is for this year).  With an enrollement just over 500, they'll be like some of the smallest DIII schools playing football, so again, it will be interesting to see how that plays out.  I don't expect big attendence to their games, but then again, who knows at this point?  They have a DIII hockey program and a basketball team, so like those teams, I'm sure they'll play some of the smaller schools downstate here.

Yes their basketball team has been average to slightly above the last couple of years....soccer not so much.

A couple of years ago alma beat them in soccer 18-0....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on October 19, 2010, 07:41:01 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 19, 2010, 05:10:20 AM
Regarding rankings, Trine could win their next few games by 50 each week, and they still won't get higher in the D3football.com polls unless a bunch of teams above them lose, as well as the ones below them.

I agree with Uncle Rico on this one.  The perception is that Trine has a weak schedule so it doesn't matter how well we play against whom.  I honestly believe we'll hover around 15 for the rest of the season (assuming we keep winning).  We just have to 1) win the conference (top priority) and then 2) prove ourselves worthy of being in the playoffs.

Nice to see the AFCA poll has Trine ranked at #8 this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 19, 2010, 08:18:38 AM
former,  unfortunately I will not be at the Trine-Hope game this weekend (I have a wedding to attend :-\) but I am sure our paths will cross in the future.

As far as the rankings go, I don't foresee Trine moving more than a couple spots between now and the end of the year.  The MIAA still doesn't have the respect nationally to warrant a top 10 team, no matter how good this Trine team might be.

The good thing, however, is that the d3 top 25 polls have no correlation between regional rankings and playoff seeding.  I recall a 20th ranked Trine team garner a 2 seed in the 2008 playoffs.  With the north region being so strong, there is a good possibility that a top team (Mount Union) might move to a different region, freeing up a higher seed.  Hopefully Trine can take care of business, because there are four more big games before they should even think about playoffs.  But that's what the boards are for, right? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2010, 02:58:53 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on October 19, 2010, 08:18:38 AM
former,  unfortunately I will not be at the Trine-Hope game this weekend (I have a wedding to attend :-\) but I am sure our paths will cross in the future.

As far as the rankings go, I don't foresee Trine moving more than a couple spots between now and the end of the year.  The MIAA still doesn't have the respect nationally to warrant a top 10 team, no matter how good this Trine team might be.

The good thing, however, is that the d3 top 25 polls have no correlation between regional rankings and playoff seeding.  I recall a 20th ranked Trine team garner a 2 seed in the 2008 playoffs. 

And losing to No. 25 Wheaton in the process, which doesn't speak much for the relatively quality of the NCAA seedings vs. our poll.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 20, 2010, 01:51:51 PM
When your nonconference games are against teams that are currently are 7-18 and two of those wins are coming from Kzoo it is hard to give that team a high ranking.  Plus, like the HCAC, why should the MIAA have the respect nationally?  If Trine is the real deal, then they will prove it come playoff time and not have to worry about what their ranking is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 20, 2010, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 20, 2010, 01:51:51 PM
When your nonconference games are against teams that are currently are 7-18 and two of those wins are coming from Kzoo it is hard to give that team a high ranking.  Plus, like the HCAC, why should the MIAA have the respect nationally?  If Trine is the real deal, then they will prove it come playoff time and not have to worry about what their ranking is.

Dont get me wrong, I am not saying that the MIAA deserves national respect, i am just saying that they don't have the national respect to have a team ranked any higher than they are now.  The non-conference schedule, combined with a weak (relatively speaking) conference will do that to you.

My point was that this Trine team might be the one to start to change the national view on our conference.  Check out some of these rankings, keeping in mind that Trine hasn't played the toughest schedule.  They are still quite impressive

Trine is ranked in the top 25 nationally in the following categories: (overall ranking in parentheses)

Rushing Offense (10)
Total Offense (4)
Scoring Offense (3)
Rushing Defense (24)
Total Defense (11)
Scoring Defense (4)
Punt Returns (22)
Turnover Margin (2)
Passing Efficiency (2)
Sacks (7)
Tackles For Loss (16)

Impressive, no matter who you play.  The rest can be found here: http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2010&org=30037

And just as a point of reference, Mount Union is ranked in the top 25 in 9 of the same categories, with the highest overall ranking of 7th. (I know, I know.  The level of competion is different, just throwing it out there as a discussion point)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 20, 2010, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 20, 2010, 01:51:51 PM
When your nonconference games are against teams that are currently are 7-18 and two of those wins are coming from Kzoo it is hard to give that team a high ranking.  Plus, like the HCAC, why should the MIAA have the respect nationally?  If Trine is the real deal, then they will prove it come playoff time and not have to worry about what their ranking is.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you.  With the perceived reputation that the MIAA has, wins over the MIAA teams aren't going to boost Trines rankings unless they are coupled with some major upsets against those ranked higher.  Plus, I admit to getting too hung up on the rankings anyway.  If rankings were always held true, Wheaton wouldn't have won a couple years ago (as Pat noted) nor would Trine have beaten Case Western in the playoffs last year.  Oldest cliche in the book..."that's why they play the game!"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 20, 2010, 04:03:39 PM
Bored,
I think Trine needs a little more help from at least one or two other schools to help get some respect as a conference.  The HCAC is having the same problem and we can't even get one team in the top 25.  Not enough fire power to get notice.  Look at the OAC, NCAC, ASC, MIAC, CCIW, and so on.  All those conferences always have two or more teams that can contend with pretty much anyone (excluding Mount Union & Whitewater).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 20, 2010, 08:18:57 PM
Last week I was thinking a drive down from Grand Rapids to see the Hope-Trine game and a battle between two teams unbeaten in conference play might be interesting.   The Albion took some of the shine off that game.  Is it still worth it?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 20, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 20, 2010, 08:18:57 PM
Last week I was thinking a drive down from Grand Rapids to see the Hope-Trine game and a battle between two teams unbeaten in conference play might be interesting.   The Albion took some of the shine off that game.  Is it still worth it?

I would say yes.  With the strange unpredictable play of all these MIAA teams so far this year (except for Trine, of course), as we've all discussed, anything can happen as has been shown in previous years.  Also, it is Homecoming at Hope and, aside from Hope self-imploding, the Homecoming incentive just might be an emotional boost for Hope to play a tough game against Trine.  As our Trine posters have mentioned, Hope has always seemed to give Trine a tough time, although I will say, it could just as easily become a "blowout" if Hope doesn't show up to play.

So my own personal (obvious ;D) bias aside, I think you should come down to see the game.  Besides, if it turns into an ugly rout, you can always leave early and enjoy a very nice relaxng dinner at one of downtown Holland's neat atmosphere restuarants. :)  Seriously.  

Anyway I am hoping for a very interesting game (and a Hope upset), even if our Trine colleagues are not! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 21, 2010, 12:08:23 PM
With 4 games left, it looks as though # 2 in the conference will be between Albion and Adrian. Given the remaining games for each, whoever is #2 will have only a 5-5 season overall.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 21, 2010, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 21, 2010, 12:08:23 PM
With 4 games left, it looks as though # 2 in the conference will be between Albion and Adrian. Given the remaining games for each, whoever is #2 will have only a 5-5 season overall.  :-\

That's a little premature no?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 21, 2010, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: Stinger on October 21, 2010, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 21, 2010, 12:08:23 PM
With 4 games left, it looks as though # 2 in the conference will be between Albion and Adrian. Given the remaining games for each, whoever is #2 will have only a 5-5 season overall.  :-\

That's a little premature no?

Maybe Hope can move to #2, are there any other scenarios? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2010, 01:40:09 PM
I know I sound like a broken record on this topic, but you shouldn't hear any Trine supporters talking about who is #2 since #1 is not even decided yet.  Trine does not have the conference wrapped up, and they best not believe they do until all other teams are mathematically eliminated.  I think the other MIAA teams aren't settling in for 2nd place with a bunch of games still remaining.   

I also think the MIAA competition is better than their win loss record shows since other MIAA teams played schools like Whitewater, Depauw, Wheaton, UWSP, Wittenburg, and North Central Ill.  Substitute those teams with some mid-level or lower competition and that MIAA non-conference win-loss number might be improved.  That is something hurting Trine's D3.com football rankings...lack of a "big time" win. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 21, 2010, 03:56:50 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll Released

Team       
1. UW-Whitewater (16)   400
2. Mount Union                381
3. Wesley                        361
4. St. Thomas                  346
5. North Central               332
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor      328
7. Delaware Valley           262
8. Wittenberg                  261
9. Hardin-Simmons           252
10. Ohio Northern            240
11. Linfield                       218
12. Thomas More             216
13. Wartburg                   213
14. Wheaton                   187
15. Montclair St.              183
16. Trine                          171
17. St. John Fisher           164
18. Bethel                        136
19. Coe                            123
20. Central                       99
21. Pacific Lutheran          88
22. Hampden-Sydney       85
23. Cal Lutheran              46
24. Ursinas                       36
25. Case Western            17


Also Receiving Votes:
Wabash (15), Franklin (12), Rowan (12), Willamette (12), Illinois Wesleyan (6), Cortland State (6), Augustana (5), Depauw (4)

www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 22, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
Will the most interesting MIAA game on Saturday be Kalamazoo at Adrian or Trine at Hope? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2010, 02:02:48 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 22, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
Will the most interesting MIAA game on Saturday be Kalamazoo at Adrian or Trine at Hope? :-\

That is an interesting question in and of itself, Raider68.  I sense that it could be a "tie" in that regard - I could see a tight game in either, yet, either could also easily turn into a blowout.  Kazoo is not as bad as some people tend to think - they can be explosive and if Adrian doesn't bring it's "A" game, then it could be a close contest.  I've already commented on Trine/Hope earlier this week.  However, of course, I have to admit my bias and go with that game as potentially being the most interesting. ;D

BTW, which game in your OAC do you think will be the most interesting this week?  Does the "Flaming Pile" have a chance at the title if someone knocks your Mount off? ;D ::) :o :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on October 22, 2010, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 22, 2010, 02:02:48 PM
BTW, which game in your OAC do you think will be the most interesting this week?  Does the "Flaming Pile" have a chance at the title if someone knocks your Mount off? ;D ::) :o :)

former brings out the the big guns!   :o  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 22, 2010, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 22, 2010, 02:02:48 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 22, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
Will the most interesting MIAA game on Saturday be Kalamazoo at Adrian or Trine at Hope? :-\

That is an interesting question in and of itself, Raider68.  I sense that it could be a "tie" in that regard - I could see a tight game in either, yet, either could also easily turn into a blowout.  Kazoo is not as bad as some people tend to think - they can be explosive and if Adrian doesn't bring it's "A" game, then it could be a close contest.  I've already commented on Trine/Hope earlier this week.  However, of course, I have to admit my bias and go with that game as potentially being the most interesting. ;D

BTW, which game in your OAC do you think will be the most interesting this week?  Does the "Flaming Pile" have a chance at the title if someone knocks your Mount off? ;D ::) :o :)

It will not be Mount/Cap or ONU/JCU, my guess Marietta/Heidelberg! :) No, it will not happen for the REGULAR season. Maybe UWW! if they both get to the Stagg Bowl.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2010, 04:10:05 PM
Quote from: matblake on October 22, 2010, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 22, 2010, 02:02:48 PM
BTW, which game in your OAC do you think will be the most interesting this week?  Does the "Flaming Pile" have a chance at the title if someone knocks your Mount off? ;D ::) :o :)

former brings out the the big guns!   :o  ;)

matblake:
Hilarious! ;D (I guess for those who know the story behind that term! ::) :o -and I'm not even an OAC'er!). Although, it was not my intent to stir up a storm! :)  Good to see you posting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2010, 04:11:26 PM
Raider68:

You just might be right about that one i.e. Marietta/Heidelberg.  Also, I meant that the "FP" i.e. BW having a chance at the OAC title.  But I see where they play Mount in about 3 weeks.  Had they not lost to ONU last week, it might have been a big-show down against Mount.  Would an 8-2 BW team have a chance at a playoff non-AQ spot?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 22, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
Jake Vance (LB) and Eric Watt (QB) from Trine as well as Cory McCain (WR) from Kalamazoo have been selected to play in the Tazon de Estrellas (Bowl of the Stars, formerly known as the Aztec Bowl) in Toluca, Mexico on December 18.  This is a game between D3 football all stars and Mexican all stars.  Of course, this is only if these players are not needed in the U.S. to play in the NCAA playoffs at that same time.   ;)

Congratulations to all three players!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 22, 2010, 04:36:06 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 22, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
Jake Vance (LB) and Eric Watt (QB) from Trine as well as Cory McCain (WR) from Kalamazoo have been selected to play in the Tazon de Estrellas (Bowl of the Stars, formerly known as the Aztec Bowl) in Toluca, Mexico on December 18.  This is a game between D3 football all stars and Mexican all stars.  Of course, this is only if these players are not needed in the U.S. to play in the NCAA playoffs at that same time.   ;)

Congratulations to all three players!!



Uncle Rico:

Indeed, congratulations to those players (especially the one you personally know! ;)) for their well-deserved selections!  That is great.  Although I'm sure the Trine guys will be trying for and hoping to be in the NCAA Div III playoffs as you mentioned. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 22, 2010, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 22, 2010, 04:11:26 PM
Raider68:

You just might be right about that one i.e. Marietta/Heidelberg.  Also, I meant that the "FP" i.e. BW having a chance at the OAC title.  But I see where they play Mount in about 3 weeks.  Had they not lost to ONU last week, it might have been a big-show down against Mount.  Would an 8-2 BW team have a chance at a playoff non-AQ spot?

IMHO, it is unlikely that an 8-2 team makes the playoffs. It could happen, but there are too many good teams that could only have 1 loss. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 22, 2010, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 22, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
Will the most interesting MIAA game on Saturday be Kalamazoo at Adrian or Trine at Hope? :-\

I think the most interesting team to watch will be Alma....we won't loose this week! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 22, 2010, 09:34:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 22, 2010, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 22, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
Will the most interesting MIAA game on Saturday be Kalamazoo at Adrian or Trine at Hope? :-\

I think the most interesting team to watch will be Alma....we won't loose this week! :)

You won't wIIn, either! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 23, 2010, 08:16:57 PM
Drove down to Holland to watch the Hope-Trine game today.  Rain stopped about 10 minutes before kick-off and the muddy, torn-up field between the 30s affected the game for only the first quarter.  Trine looks good ... with no bad players at any position either O or D.  I think they could compete (but not necessarily win) with the top teams in the only other D-3 conferences with which I am familiar ... the IIAC and the CCIW.

For a Homecoming game, I thought Hope looked a little flat.  The offense seemed tentative, especially in the first half ... maybe because QB Feys seemed out-of-sync too much of the time.  His receivers dropped some passes they should have caught, but more often I thought Feys too often threw just beyond his receivers or too many times threw behind them.  And a few times, he was downright careless holding on to the ball.  Hope's running game was sporadic ... as was the defense.   A few great stops ... but also some poor tackling.

On a very different note, the Grand Rapids Press had Coach Kreps saying earlier this week he thought they could beat Trine, go on to win the conference and make the playoffs ... at 5 and 5.  I guess we all create our own reality.

So that's it from the "for what its worth department" when no one asked me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 24, 2010, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 23, 2010, 08:16:57 PM
Drove down to Holland to watch the Hope-Trine game today.  Rain stopped about 10 minutes before kick-off and the muddy, torn-up field between the 30s affected the game for only the first quarter.  Trine looks good ... with no bad players at any position either O or D.  I think they could compete (but not necessarily win) with the top teams in the only other D-3 conferences with which I am familiar ... the IIAC and the CCIW.

For a Homecoming game, I thought Hope looked a little flat.  The offense seemed tentative, especially in the first half ... maybe because QB Feys seemed out-of-sync too much of the time.  His receivers dropped some passes they should have caught, but more often I thought Feys too often threw just beyond his receivers or too many times threw behind them.  And a few times, he was downright careless holding on to the ball.  Hope's running game was sporadic ... as was the defense.   A few great stops ... but also some poor tackling.

On a very different note, the Grand Rapids Press had Coach Kreps saying earlier this week he thought they could beat Trine, go on to win the conference and make the playoffs ... at 5 and 5.  I guess we all create our own reality.

So that's it from the "for what its worth department" when no one asked me.

If the MIAA conference winner is not Trine (unlikely), then the conference playoff qualifier could be a 5-5 team,! :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 24, 2010, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 24, 2010, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 23, 2010, 08:16:57 PM
Drove down to Holland to watch the Hope-Trine game today.  Rain stopped about 10 minutes before kick-off and the muddy, torn-up field between the 30s affected the game for only the first quarter.  Trine looks good ... with no bad players at any position either O or D.  I think they could compete (but not necessarily win) with the top teams in the only other D-3 conferences with which I am familiar ... the IIAC and the CCIW.

For a Homecoming game, I thought Hope looked a little flat.  The offense seemed tentative, especially in the first half ... maybe because QB Feys seemed out-of-sync too much of the time.  His receivers dropped some passes they should have caught, but more often I thought Feys too often threw just beyond his receivers or too many times threw behind them.  And a few times, he was downright careless holding on to the ball.  Hope's running game was sporadic ... as was the defense.   A few great stops ... but also some poor tackling.

On a very different note, the Grand Rapids Press had Coach Kreps saying earlier this week he thought they could beat Trine, go on to win the conference and make the playoffs ... at 5 and 5.  I guess we all create our own reality.

So that's it from the "for what its worth department" when no one asked me.

If the MIAA conference winner is not Trine (unlikely), then the conference playoff qualifier could be a 5-5 team,! :-[


The non-Trine scenario I can see happening most would be if Albion wins out (6-4, 5-1 MIAA) and Trine would only loose to Albion in the last week of the season. Trine (9-1, 5-1) would have good chances to get an at-large bid, and the MIAA would have two teams in the playoffs for the first time since ____ (only have been in the MIAA for - this is my 3rd season)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: labart96 on October 24, 2010, 11:18:32 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 24, 2010, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 24, 2010, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 23, 2010, 08:16:57 PM
Drove down to Holland to watch the Hope-Trine game today.  Rain stopped about 10 minutes before kick-off and the muddy, torn-up field between the 30s affected the game for only the first quarter.  Trine looks good ... with no bad players at any position either O or D.  I think they could compete (but not necessarily win) with the top teams in the only other D-3 conferences with which I am familiar ... the IIAC and the CCIW.

For a Homecoming game, I thought Hope looked a little flat.  The offense seemed tentative, especially in the first half ... maybe because QB Feys seemed out-of-sync too much of the time.  His receivers dropped some passes they should have caught, but more often I thought Feys too often threw just beyond his receivers or too many times threw behind them.  And a few times, he was downright careless holding on to the ball.  Hope's running game was sporadic ... as was the defense.   A few great stops ... but also some poor tackling.

On a very different note, the Grand Rapids Press had Coach Kreps saying earlier this week he thought they could beat Trine, go on to win the conference and make the playoffs ... at 5 and 5.  I guess we all create our own reality.

So that's it from the "for what its worth department" when no one asked me.

If the MIAA conference winner is not Trine (unlikely), then the conference playoff qualifier could be a 5-5 team,! :-[


I know that's how the system works  ... but something just seems wrong with that when teams with far better records get left out.!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 24, 2010, 03:01:50 PM
To follow-up on DBQ1965's comments:  Hope was more than just flat.  It didn't show up for the game at all.  No spark, no enthusiasm. Offense was essentially non-existant, other than a few good plays as you mentioned.  Unfortunately, Feys was way-off.  Our secondary, unfortunately, also remains a major problem - poor tackling and even moreso- still giving up long pass plays on simple post-patterns or flys as they have all season, which puts you in a hole. :( Thereafter, when your offense can't come back and put points on the board, the game gets out of hand as it did yesterday.  All Hope can do now is keep fighting to the end, keep determined to try and win out its last two remaining games and just give it "that old college try".  Perhaps next week's bye will help.  Despite the weather and although nothing near the larger Homecoming crowds (>4000) that Hope gets when it is winning during a season, there was a good crowd at Homecoming yesterday (attendance was 3550), at least for the first half, although at the start of the 3rd quarter, more than half of those left  - not surprisingly. The weather ran the entire range i.e. from rain DBQ1965 relates at the beginning, to cold, windy, then "junking the umbrellas" whe it became sunny and warm (many ended up taking their jackets off as well) for quite some time - another nice last vestage of autumn, then becoming overcast and colder for the last portion of the final quarter.

I agree with DBQ1965's assesment of Trine.  They have a very nice team; very solid.  Fast, big and all their people run and hit like a "freight train".  Many times Hope players just couldn't handle tacking them, being run over.  There were a few nice defensive plays for Hope, but, overall, Trine was just too strong.  Perhaps had we been able to score on theim early when we had the chance, it might have changed the flavor of the game, but it was not to be.
I think Trine, should they win the remainder of their games, will have a good chance to advance in the playoffs.

To: Uncle Rico/LetItRain:  congrats to your team (and your #54 played a great game :)).  Sorry we did not end up being able to meet - once again we ended up missing out on that - no fault of yours.  I looked for your "van" but was unable to find it; couldn't find you after the game, although I had other duties to attend to - again, my fault in missing you.  So my apologies, but..anyway, congrats and good luck to your team the rest of the way.  I was very impressed with Trine.

On other MIAA games, I heard that Olivet had some very good bright spots against Albion, but couldn't "play catch-up" after giving up 2 or 3 big/long plays.  It might come down to an Albion/Trine fight for the title - if Albion could knock Trine off as was mentioned earlier by Raider68, although after seeing both teams play, IMO, Trine is a much better team. However, we all know that anything can happen.  We'll see what plays out eventually.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 24, 2010, 08:06:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 24, 2010, 03:01:50 PM
Fast, big and all their people run and hit like a "freight train".

Don't you mean roll and hit like a freight train? It's been a long time since I saw a freight train running down the tracks!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 24, 2010, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 24, 2010, 08:06:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 24, 2010, 03:01:50 PM
Fast, big and all their people run and hit like a "freight train".

Don't you mean roll and hit like a freight train? It's been a long time since I saw a freight train running down the tracks!  ;D

Yes, you have me there, sflzman!  That's why I only got (uh, I mean "received" :D) an A- in my writing class at Hope College! ;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 24, 2010, 09:53:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 24, 2010, 03:01:50 PM
To follow-up on DBQ1965's comments:  Hope was more than just flat.  It didn't show up for the game at all.  No spark, no enthusiasm. Offense was essentially non-existant, other than a few good plays as you mentioned.  Unfortunately, Feys was way-off.  Our secondary, unfortunately, also remains a major problem - poor tackling and even moreso- still giving up long pass plays on simple post-patterns or flys as they have all season, which puts you in a hole. :( Thereafter, when your offense can't come back and put points on the board, the game gets out of hand as it did yesterday.  All Hope can do now is keep fighting to the end, keep determined to try and win out its last two remaining games and just give it "that old college try".  Perhaps next week's bye will help.  Despite the weather and although nothing near the larger Homecoming crowds (>4000) that Hope gets when it is winning during a season, there was a good crowd at Homecoming yesterday (attendance was 3550), at least for the first half, although at the start of the 3rd quarter, more than half of those left  - not surprisingly. The weather ran the entire range i.e. from rain DBQ1965 relates at the beginning, to cold, windy, then "junking the umbrellas" whe it became sunny and warm (many ended up taking their jackets off as well) for quite some time - another nice last vestage of autumn, then becoming overcast and colder for the last portion of the final quarter.

I agree with DBQ1965's assesment of Trine.  They have a very nice team; very solid.  Fast, big and all their people run and hit like a "freight train".  Many times Hope players just couldn't handle tacking them, being run over.  There were a few nice defensive plays for Hope, but, overall, Trine was just too strong.  Perhaps had we been able to score on theim early when we had the chance, it might have changed the flavor of the game, but it was not to be.
I think Trine, should they win the remainder of their games, will have a good chance to advance in the playoffs.

To: Uncle Rico/LetItRain:  congrats to your team (and your #54 played a great game :)).  Sorry we did not end up being able to meet - once again we ended up missing out on that - no fault of yours.  I looked for your "van" but was unable to find it; couldn't find you after the game, although I had other duties to attend to - again, my fault in missing you.  So my apologies, but..anyway, congrats and good luck to your team the rest of the way.  I was very impressed with Trine.

On other MIAA games, I heard that Olivet had some very good bright spots against Albion, but couldn't "play catch-up" after giving up 2 or 3 big/long plays.  It might come down to an Albion/Trine fight for the title - if Albion could knock Trine off as was mentioned earlier by Raider68, although after seeing both teams play, IMO, Trine is a much better team. However, we all know that anything can happen.  We'll see what plays out eventually. 

Formerd3db,

Sorry your alma mater did not show up on Saturday for Homecoming. I was surprized they were so flat. Trine IMO is pretty solid across the board. My alma mater won by the 4 TDs that I mentioned before +10. Cap is not as strong as they once were just a few years ago! :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 24, 2010, 10:13:45 PM
Thanks Raider68.  Indeed, this is baffling and so disappointing.  While I feel bad for all the players, I feel it the most for the seniors since they could very well be on three consecutive 3-7 teams if Hope only wins one of two remaining games (after this upcoming Saturday's "bye", they have Adrian @ Adrian, then finish up at home against Olivet for the Annual Senior Day).  I also feel bad for the coaches because they not only feel bad for the players, but are doing everything they can in trying to keep encouragement (i.e. that "old college spirit") and rectify things.  I guess one thing that can be learned by the players from this season is about facing adversity and perseverence even when things are not going well.  They'll face that in later life, beyond football once their careers are done as nothing in life always goes like we would like to have it.  And that, as we all know, is really what is most important here even though all of us love the college game so much.   

Also, I figured that your Mount would win fairly handily against Capital since I had heard that the latter, like Hope, is in a down period.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 25, 2010, 08:26:50 AM
A big congraulations to the three players that were selected to play in the all star game.  Personally knowing the two Trine players, I am very happy for them and know they earned that high parise. Uncle Rico and Let It Rain, I know you must be very proud.

Not to bring up an old topic, but I think this all star recognition has something to do with the national respect that was discused on these boards last week. It looks like someone out there is paying attention to what Trine has been oing the last few years.  I wonder if there would have been some other players from the last few Trine tams that may have been considered for all star games?

Looks like the rest of the MIAA games this weekend pretty much went as expected.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 25, 2010, 12:31:53 PM
I was reading in the D3.com general football fan top 25 poll section where a couple people thought Trine should be higher, but are under-rated because of the competition they have played.  The strength of schedule is hurting them.   There were also other posters who felt Trine was over-rated.  All this speculation is nice, but the only way to get respect is to earn it by winning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 25, 2010, 02:12:59 PM
I would like to give props to Adrian and Olivet for giving a helping hand to MIAA for scheduling some pretty tough teams.  They may have lost those games, but Adrian playing DePauw tough and played a solid game against UWW for the first half at least shows a lot, plus they played Trine to a tight game too.  Olivet playing North Central, Witt, and Wheaton is crazy, but they are still functional says a lot.
Trine, is very well a tough team, but they will need to make some noise in the playoffs to get that respect.  Then they'll need to schedule some tougher teams for nonconference action to strenghten their program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 25, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
Bored,
I do believe Eric Walker was selected for an All-Star game last year. I'm not sure if he went, but he was selected
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 25, 2010, 04:56:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 24, 2010, 10:13:45 PM
Thanks Raider68.  Indeed, this is baffling and so disappointing.  While I feel bad for all the players, I feel it the most for the seniors since they could very well be on three consecutive 3-7 teams if Hope only wins one of two remaining games (after this upcoming Saturday's "bye", they have Adrian @ Adrian, then finish up at home against Olivet for the Annual Senior Day).  I also feel bad for the coaches because they not only feel bad for the players, but are doing everything they can in trying to keep encouragement (i.e. that "old college spirit") and rectify things.  I guess one thing that can be learned by the players from this season is about facing adversity and perseverence even when things are not going well.  They'll face that in later life, beyond football once their careers are done as nothing in life always goes like we would like to have it.  And that, as we all know, is really what is most important here even though all of us love the college game so much.   

Also, I figured that your Mount would win fairly handily against Capital since I had heard that the latter, like Hope, is in a down period.

Formerd3db,

While football in college is important to a player as well as winning, my most favorite memories are the people , brothers and character of the school.  As an alum I remain very interested in Mount Union and still have contacts and some on-going involvement. Keeping the spirit up is key! :)

If Hope College keeps positive, it will happen!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2010, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 25, 2010, 04:56:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 24, 2010, 10:13:45 PM
Thanks Raider68.  Indeed, this is baffling and so disappointing.  While I feel bad for all the players, I feel it the most for the seniors since they could very well be on three consecutive 3-7 teams if Hope only wins one of two remaining games (after this upcoming Saturday's "bye", they have Adrian @ Adrian, then finish up at home against Olivet for the Annual Senior Day).  I also feel bad for the coaches because they not only feel bad for the players, but are doing everything they can in trying to keep encouragement (i.e. that "old college spirit") and rectify things.  I guess one thing that can be learned by the players from this season is about facing adversity and perseverence even when things are not going well.  They'll face that in later life, beyond football once their careers are done as nothing in life always goes like we would like to have it.  And that, as we all know, is really what is most important here even though all of us love the college game so much.   

Also, I figured that your Mount would win fairly handily against Capital since I had heard that the latter, like Hope, is in a down period.

Formerd3db,

While football in college is important to a player as well as winning, my most favorite memories are the people , brothers and character of the school.  As an alum I remain very interested in Mount Union and still have contacts and some on-going involvement. Keeping the spirit up is key! :)

If Hope College keeps positive, it will happen!

I agree with you Raider68.  Also, thanks.  Yes, hopefully they will keep positive and give that 110% no matter what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 26, 2010, 09:32:55 AM
Adrian vs. Albion, who wins this one, the numbers say it will be close: :-\

                               Adrian                   Albion

Scoring                       181                      191
Pts. per game             25.9                     23.9

First downs                  136                      127

Rushing yards              1022                    1144
Ave. per game             146                      143

Passing yards              1509                    1505
Ave. per game             216                      189

Total Offense               2531                    2659
Ave. per game             362                      332

Points allowed               148                      200
Ave. per game              21                        25

Fumbles-lost                12-6                       9-6
Penalties                    53-518                 47-433
Time of Poss.               30:22                   28:16
3rd down Conv.             43%                     35%
4th Down Conv.             50%                     14%
Red-Zone scores            74%                     65% 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 26, 2010, 10:24:34 AM
Adrian v Albion looks like a toss up, but along the same lines, has there been a bigger statistical mismatch than Trine v Olivet? I am not going to lay out the stats like Raider, but take a look.  Its pretty staggering.  I have a feeling that this could be over early and turn into a game where Trine gets to empty the bench.

On the other hand, i do remember a 0-6 Tri-State team upset a 6-0 Olivet team...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2010, 11:33:30 AM
I will have to go with Adrian on this one.  Their strength of schedule is much tougher than Albions, and if their stats are that close, it shows Adrian did it against tought opponents.

http://d3football.com/seasons/2010/schedule?tmpl=sos-template
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 26, 2010, 04:23:09 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

1. UW-Whitewater (20) 500
2. Mt. Union     479
3. Wesley    453
4. North Central   435
5. St. Thomas   417
6. UMHB    394
7. Delaware Valley  336
8. Hardin-Simmons  318
9. Ohio Northern   305
10. Linfield    300
11. Wartburg    288
12. Wittenberg   269
13. Thomas More   264
14 Wheaton    242
15. Montclair St.   233
16. Trine    210
17. Coe     169
18. Bethel    167
19. Central 134
20. Hampden-Sydney  133
21. California Lutheran  90
22. Ursinas     84
23. St. John Fisher   56
24. Alfred     46
25. Pacific Lutheran 46

Dropped Out: Case Western Reserve

Others receiving votes: Case Western Reserve (36), Depauw (21), Rowan (17), Wabash (17), Franklin (16), Cortland St. (12), Willamette (8), Augustana (4)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 27, 2010, 04:50:45 PM
Although the numbers are close, I would pick Adrian by 7pts over Albion. Just a better defense, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on October 28, 2010, 09:55:11 AM
In case you havn't seen it, the first regional rankings are out. Here is the North Region:

1. Wheaton (Ill.) 7-0 7-0
2. North Central (Ill.) 7-0 7-0
3. Mount Union 6-0 7-0
4. Ohio Northern 5-1 6-1
5. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0
6. Trine 6-0 7-0
7. Baldwin-Wallace 6-1 6-1
8. Franklin 5-1 6-1
9. Wittenberg 6-0 8-0
10. Wabash 6-0 6-1
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 11:48:07 AM
At least we know that Wheaton or North Central will have at least one loss since they play eachother.  I also don't think CWRU is going to win out as they have two tough games coming up in their league action.  Baldwin-Wallace will add one more loss to their season too.  Witt and Wabash have to play eachother as well, so one of them will knock themselves out of the top 10. Overall I would predict that Trine would be a top four team by the end of the season if they win out. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 28, 2010, 12:52:58 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 11:48:07 AM
At least we know that Wheaton or North Central will have at least one loss since they play eachother.  I also don't think CWRU is going to win out as they have two tough games coming up in their league action.  Baldwin-Wallace will add one more loss to their season too.  Witt and Wabash have to play eachother as well, so one of them will knock themselves out of the top 10. Overall I would predict that Trine would be a top four team by the end of the season if they win out. 

IMHO, I think Trine does stand a chance of being in the top 4, Here is what I see for the top five at this point:

1. Mount Union - Do not think a CCIW team is ahead of them
2. North Central or Wheaton - I'll go with NC
3. Ohio Northern - a good year except when they played MTU
4. Trine - They will win out, while some others fall
5. Wittenberg - They beat Wabash in a very close game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 01:32:55 PM
Raider 68, I agree with you with your top 5.  The only reason the CCIW teams are ahead of mount is b/c they have more regional wins.  Mount will be the 1 seed what ever region they get placed in come playoff time. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 28, 2010, 06:07:52 PM
Does anyone see any chance of there being a non-UWW/Mount U Championship game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 29, 2010, 11:13:24 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 28, 2010, 06:07:52 PM
Does anyone see any chance of there being a non-UWW/Mount U Championship game?

sflzman.

It will depend on the brackets to a degree, but let's see who "could maybe" beat either one them:

UWW:
1. Linfield- played UWW tough last year

2. St. Thomas- has had a good year against some tough teams

3. Mary Hardin Baylor- pretty good year, but has struggled against UWW

Mount Union:  
1. North Central- depends where they play, but NC is having a good year
                           but has to beat Wheaton first

2. Wesley- good year so far, but their competition in the second half of the
                 season is much weaker, lost to the Raiders in the semi's 24-7 in '09 but
                 Mount lost their QB in the first quarter of the game

3. Ohio Northern- a rematch for Coach Paul against his Alma mater is possible
                            ONU has had a good year, except for the 27-0 loss to the
                            Raiders.

So what are the odds that UWW and Mount Union meet for the 6th straight time, it could  be 3:1 at this point, IMHO :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2010, 11:20:11 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on October 28, 2010, 01:32:55 PM
Raider 68, I agree with you with your top 5.  The only reason the CCIW teams are ahead of mount is b/c they have more regional wins.  Mount will be the 1 seed what ever region they get placed in come playoff time. 

I doubt this is a factor. They're all undefeated and that's all they really look at for winning percentage in football. SOS is a big difference right now, however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
Raider68:

Yes, IMO, in one sense, it really doesn't matter (i.e. the regional rankings) because...as you say, Mount Union will be ranked as the #1 seed in any region they are placed in (it is unlikely that they wouldn't be and if they aren't, I will be surprised).  Yet, also, regardless of "who is placed where" as a result of the regional rankings at the end of the regular season, any one team still has to get by Mount Union in their bracket to make it to the next step on the way to the Stagg Bowl.  That is a tough challenge as everyone knows, although as history has shown (and as nicely outlined in KM's ATN article), Mount has been upset a couple of times in the last decade+ during the playoffs.  Again, a difficult task to pull off; not impossible, but odds against it, unless Mount has an off day.  It seems to some extent that they are not the great powerhouse type of team this year as they've had in the past, however, they "always rise to the occasion" when the playoffs are in process.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 29, 2010, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 29, 2010, 11:13:24 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 28, 2010, 06:07:52 PM
Does anyone see any chance of there being a non-UWW/Mount U Championship game?

sflzman.

It will depend on the brackets to a degree, but let's see who "could maybe" beat either one them:

UWW:
1. Linfield- played UWW tough last year

2. St. Thomas- has had a good year against some tough teams

3. Mary Hardin Baylor- pretty good year, but has struggled against UWW

Mount Union:  
1. North Central- depends where they play, but NC is having a good year
                           but has to beat Wheaton first

2. Wesley- good year so far, but their competition in the second half of the
                 season is much weaker, lost to the Raiders in the semi's 24-7 in '09 but
                 Mount lost their QB in the first quarter of the game

3. Ohio Northern- a rematch for Coach Paul against his Alma mater is possible
                            ONU has had a good year, except for the 27-0 loss to the
                            Raiders.

So what are the odds that UWW and Mount Union meet for the 6th straight time, it could  be 3:1 at this point, IMHO :)



Thanks for that info!

The other thing that has popped into my mind about this topic, is that what is "better" for d3 football, another title rematch, or some parity that we haven't seen much of...like a Trine in the national championship...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 29, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
sflzman,

What would be good for D3 is the rest of the teams to raise their programs to the Mount Union and UWW level:

Mount Union- 10 National titles since 1993, 21 playoff appearances since 1985

UW- Whitewater- 2 National titles since 2001, at least 10 playoff appearances (do not have actual numbers)

Mr. Ypsi is correct that the rest of teams to raise their level is unlikely, but one would think some can! :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 06:04:01 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 29, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
sflzman,

What would be good for D3 is the rest of the teams to raise their programs to the Mount Union and UWW level:



Easier said than done. :P

And if ALL 236(?) other d3s managed to do it, d1 would disappear for lack of players! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 29, 2010, 08:44:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 06:04:01 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 29, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
sflzman,

What would be good for D3 is the rest of the teams to raise their programs to the Mount Union and UWW level:



Easier said than done. :P

And if ALL 236(?) other d3s managed to do it, d1 would disappear for lack of players! ;D

Well...either that or d3 teams would be eliminating msoccer, cross country, and any other men's sport thats in the fall  cuz d3 itself would run out of players....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 08:52:19 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 29, 2010, 08:44:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 06:04:01 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 29, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
sflzman,

What would be good for D3 is the rest of the teams to raise their programs to the Mount Union and UWW level:



Easier said than done. :P

And if ALL 236(?) other d3s managed to do it, d1 would disappear for lack of players! ;D

Well...either that or d3 teams would be eliminating msoccer, cross country, and any other men's sport thats in the fall  cuz d3 itself would run out of players....

No.  D3 wouldn't be adding players, just having a whole bunch of Pierre Garcons and Andy Studebakers!  There'd be no GOOD players left over for D1!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2010, 10:30:05 PM
Just a question...Do you think programs such as Grand Valley (D2 Champions multiple times), located in the heart of MIAA country, take some of the talent away from the D3 schools that surround it?  I have to believe that the number, football quality, and cost of D2 schools provide more options and may somewhat drain the talent pool.  I also confess to not knowing the relative strength of D2 programs in other areas of the nation.  Just wondering if a powerhouse like Grand Valley were not located where it is, if some of the MIAA schools might benefit from a football strength perspective.  2-3 very talented football players might make a difference to a team that is on the verge of turning things around.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on October 29, 2010, 11:59:40 PM
I do think it hurts the MIAA as does the rest of the GLIAC. There are many schools in Michigan that take away very talented players from the MIAA due to athletic acholarship options
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2010, 09:45:39 AM
Uncle Rico:

You most likely missed some of the past postings on this topic awhile back.  Several of us here on the MIAA board as well as others on the OAC board have had multiple discussions on this in the past (there was some about 3 weeks ago or so over on the OAC board as I recall) and the reasons for it.  The bottom line i.e. the consensus is that the D2 schools in MI and now in OH, have definitely hurt the recruiting for DIII teams, at least in Michigan.  Most of the MIAA coaching staffs believe that (including Hope's staff) as they have seen that effect in the last several years.  Also, now with some of the other smaller colleges and universities in MI and OH that are adding scholarship football programs, albeit in the NAIA, there is a concern that it will further delete the available pool of players for the DIII schools, especially in Michigan.  

With the current economic times and the costs of the MIAA schools (most of which are about $10,000 overall less than many of the OAC schools - and even Rose-Hulman in IN), unless a player/his family recieves enough grant-in-aid $, academic and/or community scholarships, etc., to cut the cost about half, they are going to take the "1/2" scholarship offers they recieve from the D2 (and/or NAIA) schools - even though that may only about $9,000 or so and, of course, we're talking about those players that are of the upper tier talent level at high school (and/or are FCS level players or just not quite at the level that the big DI schools are looking for.  The MIAA schools (at least Hope) is just not getting those type of players anymore.  As for Trine and some of the IN schools, while there are several scholarship NAIA programs around, those and the fact that there are only a couple of DII schools in the immediate region (Univ of IN and St. Joseph), it appears to not have affected the smaller schools as much as it has in MI since there are many of the GLIAC DII schools.  Heck, even Wayne State in Detroit, which used to be the laughing stock of the GLIAC and almost dropped football back in the mid-80's, is doing so much better in football and is attracting many good players.  The HC there Paul Winters has done a good job and they even have a good attendance spectator base now to their games.  

One additional big factor (that I've also heard from MIAA coaching staffs) is that, the financial aid packages are less and some families just can't afford it, again, especailly if a 1/2 football scholarship is in the offering.  Also, the admissions departments are getting tougher with the academic standards i.e. there are many very talented high school players who could do excellent in the MIAA as an athlete and would do fine as students, however, they aren't being accepted for admission to the college.  It has been seen where even students who are not athletes with high very high GPA's have not been accepted and some students who are athletes with not as high of GPAs but are good students are not being accepted either - the competition is getting toughter in that regard. Unfortunately, I don't see this changing/improving for the MIAA much in immediate future years (that is my fear), but beyond what I've mentioned here, I don't know what the answer/solutions might be to help the smaller schools for this situation. Although we all know that great team streaks go in cycles (examples, Albion, Augustana, etc.)perhaps Trine will be doing well for a long time and the above factors regarding the DII and NAIA schools not affecting them that much.  Then again, how does one account for the slight downcline in the talent level of some of the other IN DIII schools -wouldn't they be in the same postition as Trine?  Not sure I can answer that.

My apologies for the reiteration of these aspects for those who have already read/heard this in the past discussions.  However, it is important and for those of us who may have not had the chance to be involved in the past discussions, it is relevent. Any other remaining thoughts, anyone?  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 30, 2010, 10:30:22 AM
I was comparing Alma's tuition with room and board to like SVSU, GVSU, MSU, and CMU and Alma's easily 15,000-20,000 more.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2010, 10:44:58 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 30, 2010, 10:30:22 AM
I was comparing Alma's tuition with room and board to like SVSU, GVSU, MSU, and CMU and Alma's easily 15,000-20,000 more.....

Yes.  Many pages back on this board (I don't recall without scrolling back and this was way back in the late spring or early summer as I recall) during this same discussion, someone posted a very nice list of all the MIAA school's upcoming costs for R&B/Tuition, etc. and it was very interesting.  As with any school anywhere, those figures don't even include all the extra costs that a student/family will spend that year for example on extra food, extra ammenities/supplies for daily living, etc., etc..  So, as you mention, it can be seen that a "1/2 ride" football scholarship offer to a prospective student-athlete at a DII school is going to significantly cut down on that $15,000-$20,000 difference at Alma and many tiimes does in fact make the decision for the athlete/his family.  Add to that any additional monies they may get from community, church, academic scholarships, etc, it really makes an education at a DII even more appealling (unless, of course, there is some specific academic program that a student-athlete really wants at some particular DIII school - provided his family can somehow find the means to pay for that difference in $).  Thanks for the info slfzman.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 30, 2010, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on October 29, 2010, 11:59:40 PM
I do think it hurts the MIAA as does the rest of the GLIAC. There are many schools in Michigan that take away very talented players from the MIAA due to athletic acholarship options

GVSU, FSU, SVSU etc carry pretty big rosters even for D2.  There are a bunch of walk-ons at those schools that would do very well in D3.

GVSU has 130 players listed on their roster.   Today they play Michigan Tech who has 102 on the roster.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2010, 11:32:56 AM
Quote from: sac on October 30, 2010, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: Diezel1 on October 29, 2010, 11:59:40 PM
I do think it hurts the MIAA as does the rest of the GLIAC. There are many schools in Michigan that take away very talented players from the MIAA due to athletic acholarship options

GVSU, FSU, SVSU etc carry pretty big rosters even for D2.  There are a bunch of walk-ons at those schools that would do very well in D3.

GVSU has 130 players listed on their roster.   Today they play Michigan Tech who has 102 on the roster.

Actually, that's not too much different than DI regarding relative % of players on scholarship and walk-ons.  As DII schools are only permitted 36 full football scholarships, most of them provide the "1/2" scholarships, although I'm sure some split a few of the scholarships even more so that a certain # of players might only have a 1/3 scholarships, with the remaining players being walk-ons as you mention.  Admittedly, I do no know the exact #'s of how any of the GLIAC schools split some of those, but I know it is done.

I agree with you sac, that those walk-ons would do very well at DIII.  Certainly there are some who transfer to a DIII school when things don't work out the way they planned at DII as far as playing time, or even in some situations, not liking the school and/or its atmosphere in general for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2010, 03:20:08 PM
Alma 27, Kazoo 10, early in the 4th! ::)

Albion 31, Adrian 21, early in the 4th.

Scoreboard shows Olivet up on Trine, 51-6, but I've gotta believe they have it reversed - that would be the shocker of 2010! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2010, 03:57:13 PM
All finals:

Alma 35, Kazoo 10 (WOW! :o)

Albion 38, Adrian 21.

Trine 51, Olivet 14 (despite what it shows on 'scoreboard'!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
Wow, indeed, Mr Ypsi! Thanks for the summary final scores from today's MIAA games.  It looks like Trine and Albion will be playing for the MIAA title in two weeks, assuming Trine beats Kazoo next week.  The chances of that not happening for a championship showdown are less likey and also since Albion has their "bye" weekend next week.  Once again, as we've all said and seen in the past many times, the MIAA title is coming down to the last week of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 30, 2010, 05:23:02 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 30, 2010, 05:12:19 PM
Wow, indeed, Mr Ypsi! Thanks for the summary final scores from today's MIAA games.  It looks like Trine and Albion will be playing for the MIAA title in two weeks, assuming Trine beats Kazoo next week.  The chances of that not happening for a championship showdown are less likey and also since Albion has their "bye" weekend next week.  Once again, as we've all said and seen in the past many times, the MIAA title is coming down to the last week of the season.

Formerd3db,

Surprized that Albion soundly beat Adrian, and more surprized how K-zoo was beaten as well by Alma. On any given Saturday, you just don not know.

Some close games in the TOP 10 today as well! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2010, 05:28:26 PM
Raider68:

You are so right.  Very surprising and again, I guess just another example of the parity in the MIAA (except for Trine, of course).  Albion has steadily improved each week and doing what it takes to win.  I'm surprised Kazoo has taken a skid the past 3 weeks after beatiing Albion and a good showing against Hope. 

I posted a comment about your Mount's today's game and the playoffs over on the OAC board.  I'll be interested to hear your take on this so far at this point.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 30, 2010, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2010, 03:57:13 PM
All finals:

Alma 35, Kazoo 10 (WOW! :o)

Albion 38, Adrian 21.

Trine 51, Olivet 14 (despite what it shows on 'scoreboard'!)

I know everyone says WOW, but - this may just be my Alma bias - I've thought that Alma could compete with Kzoo from the day the season started, and continued to believe so after Leister was ruled ineligable....

It continued to back my thoughts up in the game against Albion....Albion was my pick to finish 2nd in the conference, and Alma really could have beaten them if not for 1 big run by Orr, and another big reception by Orr...that's 2 Albion TDs right there, and take away those it's a 17-13 Alma win...even taking away 1 it's till only a 3 point loss....

The Scots are proving that even without a QB that they can get the ball into Schaar's hands....he had a career-high 187 receiving yards today, 2 40+ yard receptions that were flat-out AMAZING catches, 1 that could easily be a SportsCenter top 10.....

The only thing you can say is the lack of a QB is hurting Alma. This game could easily have been 52-10 or even more had the QBs not horribly underthrown a wide open Barak Henderson who was streaking towards the endzone, or missed wide open slot receivers streaking down the middle....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 31, 2010, 09:20:47 PM
How do I put this......Kzoo always seems to be a little more emotionally into the Albion/Hope games.  It never surprises me when they play those two tough and then get beaten soundly by teams you think they might play well against.  Thats just been Kzoo football for about the past decade. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: sac on October 31, 2010, 09:20:47 PM
How do I put this......Kzoo always seems to be a little more emotionally into the Albion/Hope games.  It never surprises me when they play those two tough and then get beaten soundly by teams you think they might play well against.  Thats just been Kzoo football for about the past decade. :)

Thanks for the tip.  Could you remind me NEXT year when pickems is underway! ;D

(I haven't reviewed for sure, but I think I've lost more points on Kazoo than any other team. :P)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2010, 10:37:01 PM
sac:
Sure seems that way re: Kazoo.  Also, what happened to your/our U of Mich last night?  Doesn't look good.  Rich Rod in trouble?

sflzman:
I like the Alma helmet logo - looks good!  Although Alma's tradional block "A" that you had was good, I like the helmet logo better.

Two more weeks left in the MIAA season.  Looking back, it has gone fast, although during the process, not so fast, especially when you lose.  Regardless, as we've all discussed of recent, the showdown is now Trine/Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
Gotta be frustrating for the UM offense to know they need 40-50 points every game to have any realistic chance of winning.

My speculation would be RichRod needs 2 more wins to have a decent chance of another year.  (And, regardless of record, all bets are off if the NCAA comes down hard.  UM was once proud of the cleanest overall program in the NCAA.  Basketball put a huge dent in that; football would be fatal to the image.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on October 31, 2010, 11:59:50 PM
One of my former students posted on Facebook last night, "Muskingum has a better defense than Michigan".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2010, 12:20:24 AM
Quote from: seventiesraider on October 31, 2010, 11:59:50 PM
One of my former students posted on Facebook last night, "Muskingum has a better defense than Michigan".

Alas, it is possible. >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 01, 2010, 12:31:24 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 31, 2010, 10:37:01 PM
sac:
Sure seems that way re: Kazoo.  Also, what happened to your/our U of Mich last night?  Doesn't look good.  Rich Rod in trouble?


PSU watched the UMASS film and copied the game plan virtually verbatim.  

Michigan's defense is simply too young and inexperienced (and poorly coached in certain areas) to compete at the Big 10 level.

Their starting 11 consisted of

LB Kenny Demens, Soph making his 2nd career start after hardly playing all year and taking the place of 5th year Sr Obi Ezeh who was recruited as a FB but played LB and was simply god awful at this position.
LB Craig Roh, soph--a DE playing LB due to injury to starter, he's a good DE, not so good LB

HYB Cam Gordan--Soph, first game at this position, has played FS all year, and was recruited as a WR
CB James Rogers, 5th year Sr who has bounced between Def and Off for 4 years, never seeing the field until this year due to injury to starter Woolfolk
CB J.T. Floyd, Soph--actually not terrible, but not good either
SS Jordan Kovacs--Soph, former walk-on.  Sadly the teams best tackler and undersized for the Big 10  is on scholarship because they have literally no one else
FS  Ray Vinopal, True Freshmen making first career start, infact this was the 2nd time I think he's played all year.  WAY undersized for Big 10 play.

others that played were two other true Freshmen CB's who needed to redshirt, but have to play because they have no one else.  Another RS Freshmen, and then another RS Freshmen who was recruited as a QB, but is playing one of the hybrid positions....and still another true Freshmen who's missed part of the year because of injury.  All together I think 8 Freshmen played, and played alot.


... and best player DT Mike Martin was hurt going into the game, and hurt the other ankle on the first series and didn't return, thus reducing Michigan's front 3 (argh) to a bunch of guys who have been career backups and not very good ones.


The defense is horrendous and everyone knows it.  AD Dave Brandon seems like a sensible guy and doesn't strike me as someone who makes rash decisions.  I'm pretty sure he knows how dire Michigan's defensive depth chart is and how ridiculously young it is.  That doesn't mean there won't be changes, because there should be  (I'm looking at you Tony Gibson).  But a change at the top would be another multi-year rebuilding, and we can start calling ourselves Notre Dame.

Mgoblog.com did a series titled The Decimated Defense which should be required reading for every Michigan fan, followed by lots and lots of ...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft1.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRzb2nBTfgW2N03bwkrbk-HRSR3G5tgb_apY2kZnk5uU1ZBfTo%26amp%3Bt%3D1%26amp%3Busg%3D__-7Y0l9d33DArGYCbqGDFR7aPnIk%3D&hash=1fa9486a90e82c96bb325b1bd3e0c9958a568151)

Seriously I recommend it for anyone who can't stand watching them, it will answer just about every question about why they are where they are on that side of the ball.

Illinois should pound this team like they have the last 2 years.  If they don't its because of Ron Zook.

Wisconsin will pound this team like last year

and Ohio State.....oh God, oh God, oh God be merciful.

Purdue is the one and only legit shot at the all important win #6, win that and its some kind, any kind of bowl game and the much needed extra practice in December.  Lose all 4 and seriously all bets are off for retaining Rich, because the snobby people might just get their way and push him out.  That would make me sad.

..Oh and Purdue has beaten Michigan 2 years in a row.

Thats where Michigan football is right now and its just sad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 01, 2010, 07:37:59 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 31, 2010, 10:37:01 PM
sac:
Sure seems that way re: Kazoo.  Also, what happened to your/our U of Mich last night?  Doesn't look good.  Rich Rod in trouble?

sflzman:
I like the Alma helmet logo - looks good!  Although Alma's tradional block "A" that you had was good, I like the helmet logo better.

Two more weeks left in the MIAA season.  Looking back, it has gone fast, although during the process, not so fast, especially when you lose.  Regardless, as we've all discussed of recent, the showdown is now Trine/Albion.

I like the helmet too...the only problem is that i need it spun around, the "A" is traditionally worn on the right side, but not the left....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
sflzman:
Well, you are right about the "A" being currently worn on the right side of the helmet in recent years.  However, there were several years where it was worn on both sides of the helmet.  Anyway, looks good.  Also, if Alma wins this weekend, you'll have to change your quote underneath the helmet! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 10:13:17 AM
sac:

Agree with almost all of your points re: Michigan.  Unfortunately, their secondary is worse this year than it has ever been (and in recent years, it hasn't been very good).  The only aspect I would disagree slightly with you is regarding the "size" of some of the defensive backs.  They are not really undersized to play in the Big Ten - recall that a couple of years ago, Wisconsin had that former walk-on db who was small, yet was one of the leading db's his last 2-3 years.  The difference is that these Michigan guys just aren't as good as he was.  While size usually is a big determinator in the Big Ten, it isn't always IMO - it just depends on the particular player's talents and there have been many examples regarding that over the years (I won't bore you or others with some of those).

At any rate, I agree with Mr. Ypsi regarding the offense.  Although Robinson is a talented athlete, Michigan can't rely on a "one man" offense.  They have no running game and the Michigan offensive line play is not what it usually has been in the past.  I agree with you - I think Michigan is in trouble for the rest of the season , even though Purdue got blasted this weekend.  As for Rodriguez, sorry, however, I'm not in your corner regarding him.  I won't be sad if/when he is let go (and that goes beyond the W-L reccord -  "What goes around, comes around". ;D)

Anyway, we can now get back to DIII and the MIAA topics! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 01, 2010, 01:25:11 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 01, 2010, 07:37:59 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 31, 2010, 10:37:01 PM
sac:
Sure seems that way re: Kazoo.  Also, what happened to your/our U of Mich last night?  Doesn't look good.  Rich Rod in trouble?

sflzman:
I like the Alma helmet logo - looks good!  Although Alma's tradional block "A" that you had was good, I like the helmet logo better.

Two more weeks left in the MIAA season.  Looking back, it has gone fast, although during the process, not so fast, especially when you lose.  Regardless, as we've all discussed of recent, the showdown is now Trine/Albion.

I like the helmet too...the only problem is that i need it spun around, the "A" is traditionally worn on the right side, but not the left....

Nice Helmet! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
We like your helmet, too, Raider68! :D  Perhaps we'll have a society around these boards called..."The Helmet Club"! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 01, 2010, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 10:13:17 AM
sac:

Agree with almost all of your points re: Michigan.  Unfortunately, their secondary is worse this year than it has ever been (and in recent years, it hasn't been very good).  The only aspect I would disagree slightly with you is regarding the "size" of some of the defensive backs.  They are not really undersized to play in the Big Ten - recall that a couple of years ago, Wisconsin had that former walk-on db who was small, yet was one of the leading db's his last 2-3 years.  The difference is that these Michigan guys just aren't as good as he was.  While size usually is a big determinator in the Big Ten, it isn't always IMO - it just depends on the particular player's talents and there have been many examples regarding that over the years (I won't bore you or others with some of those).


Hope's starting FS is 6-2, 195.  Ray Vinopal is listed at 5-11, 180 and those are both lies.


Also, where the heck are Hope's Seniors?  I (very quickly) counted only 10, that has to be the smallest Sr class I've ever seen for Hope..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 01, 2010, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
sflzman:
Well, you are right about the "A" being currently worn on the right side of the helmet in recent years.  However, there were several years where it was worn on both sides of the helmet.  Anyway, looks good.  Also, if Alma wins this weekend, you'll have to change your quote underneath the helmet! ;) ;D

Technically, win or lose, I'm gonna have to change it  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 07:16:23 PM
sac:

There are actually 18 seniors on this year's Hope team - as listed on the official roster in the recent Homecoming football program against Trine.  Actually, in 1977 there were 14 seniors on the team; those being the players who lasted all 4 years from an original recruiting class of 40.  Without going back through past year's programs at the moment, I don't know the # of seniors in other years, although I think they were similar to this year.

There has been a good discussion on this topic on one of the other boards the other week.  The attrition is pretty much in the same range for most DIII schools over a 4 year period as to how many seniors remain all four years from an original recruting class.  As a general example, if 50 freshman come in, many had senior classes of anywher from 11 to 18-20.  I remember one year at Alma in the late '90's, they had 28 seniors, which was a larger class considering the usual total roster there was like 66 (although they had upwards of 80-90 players for a stretch of a few years, which is pretty much the norm at Alma now). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 01, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
sflzman:
Well, you are right about the "A" being currently worn on the right side of the helmet in recent years.  However, there were several years where it was worn on both sides of the helmet.  Anyway, looks good.  Also, if Alma wins this weekend, you'll have to change your quote underneath the helmet! ;) ;D

Also, the new renovated downstairs of the Alma Athletics building has football stuff dating all the way back to the very first "modernish" helmets....white with a solid - more red - maroon A.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 01, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
sflzman:
Well, you are right about the "A" being currently worn on the right side of the helmet in recent years.  However, there were several years where it was worn on both sides of the helmet.  Anyway, looks good.  Also, if Alma wins this weekend, you'll have to change your quote underneath the helmet! ;) ;D

Also, the new renovated downstairs of the Alma Athletics building has football stuff dating all the way back to the very first "modernish" helmets....white with a solid - more red - maroon A.

Sounds great.  I remember the football artifacts they had in the previous athletic concove, so I'll look forward to the new area in the new arena.  I assume they moved all the Hall of Fame and other photos, awards, memorials of all the sports there also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 02, 2010, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 01, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
sflzman:
Well, you are right about the "A" being currently worn on the right side of the helmet in recent years.  However, there were several years where it was worn on both sides of the helmet.  Anyway, looks good.  Also, if Alma wins this weekend, you'll have to change your quote underneath the helmet! ;) ;D

Also, the new renovated downstairs of the Alma Athletics building has football stuff dating all the way back to the very first "modernish" helmets....white with a solid - more red - maroon A.


Where is the helmet? :o Is it coming back?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 02, 2010, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 02, 2010, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 01, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
sflzman:
Well, you are right about the "A" being currently worn on the right side of the helmet in recent years.  However, there were several years where it was worn on both sides of the helmet.  Anyway, looks good.  Also, if Alma wins this weekend, you'll have to change your quote underneath the helmet! ;) ;D

Also, the new renovated downstairs of the Alma Athletics building has football stuff dating all the way back to the very first "modernish" helmets....white with a solid - more red - maroon A.


Where is the helmet? :o Is it coming back?

I may have to put it on the shelf until this Soccer run is over....but don't worry, it'll be back! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2010, 09:40:42 PM
Uncle Rico and all other colleagues on here:

There is a good discussion going on right now over on the OAC board about the recruiting and DII issue affecting DIII schools.  As we touched again on that topic last week, you might find those postings over on the OAC board very interesting.  Some very good points made.  Just an FYI.

P.S. sflzman:
I agree with Raider68 - bring back the helmet! ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 03, 2010, 07:33:07 AM
There we go, now I can support both!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 03, 2010, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 03, 2010, 07:33:07 AM
There we go, now I can support both!

The "Big" helmut is too big and draws away from the the quality of your posts, IMHO :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 03, 2010, 05:57:06 PM
It's alright, no-one wants to read the crap I post anyways!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2010, 09:52:48 PM
sflzman:

No, no, sflzman, don't say that.  Your posts contributions on here are valued and appreciated - seriously.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 03, 2010, 10:03:19 PM
I'm sure everyone's posts are appreciated, because all men are created equal. Thereforet their posts shall be too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 05, 2010, 09:43:07 AM
The season is not over yet, so why is this board so quiet? The MIAA has an undefeated team and a playoff bound team in Trine. Other than discussing sflzman's new helmet, there has been no conversation! :(

1. Will Trine win the MIAA, Yes ?

2. Can Hope win away at Adrian?

3. Does Olivet win a MIAA game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 05, 2010, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 05, 2010, 09:43:07 AM
The season is not over yet, so why is this board so quiet? The MIAA has an undefeated team and a playoff bound team in Trine. Other than discussing sflzman's new helmet, there has been no conversation! :(

1. Will Trine win the MIAA, Yes ?

2. Can Hope win away at Adrian?

3. Does Olivet win a MIAA game?

Glad you brought that up Raider, as I had the thoughts about the lack of conversation this morning.

To make long answers short...

1. Yes, they win against Kzoo and lock up a share of the MIAA and a playoff birth

2. They can, but they won't

3. I will give Olivet as much chance to win one of their last 2 as I do Trine losing one of their last 2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2010, 11:15:56 AM
Raider, I agree with BoredatWork (BAW) somewhat ;D Here are my opinions on your questions:

1) Yes, Trine will win the MIAA.
2) Yes, Hope could win, but...it is at Adrian and the latter has been playing so much better than Hope, so it will be difficult.
3) Hope should win at home in the season final, however, Olivet is never a push-over for them in recent years, even when Olivet has been at their less successful seasons.  If Hope continues to play like they have the last two games before last weekend's "bye", Olivet could have a good chance at beating Hope at the latter's home turf.  Obviously, I "Hope" that doesn't happen. :)

Also, I was wondering the same as both of you re: why the lack of "other" discussion on our board.  Perhaps everyone has conceded that Trine will win and since their/our teams are not having very good seasons, they're waiting for it to end.  Although, in that regard, it puzzles me because Albion still has a good chance at winning the title and gaining the AQ, especially the way they have been playing of recent.  Our Albion colleagues should be "writing books" here on our board for that! ::)  Yet, as for the rest of us (with the exception of Trine) we should have the attititude that our teams (and us as their supporters) need to stay focused and fight on to the end regardless (you know, the "Custer's Last Stand or the Alamo or that "goal line stand" principles";))  Such experiences and the process that our teams are going through this year are an important lession for later years when the playing careers are over. So my prayer and advice to players on these other teams is to stay focused, give 110% no matter what, have fun and savor the experience and memories with your teammates and your school.    As that old saying goes..."you only pass this way once in life".  Those of us "old(er) ;D guys, know that all too well.  My apologies for the philosophical and reminicsing here my friends, but, you wanted some discussion activity!!! ;D :o :) At least my answers to the questions were short like BAW's!!!

As always, please drive safe tomorrow for those of you going to the games and I hope you all have an enjoyable day and weekend.  Dress warm, too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 05, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
To be honest, K-zoo scares me and so does Albion. Trine struggles at K-zoo and Orr could run for 250. He has the potential to keep the ball in Albion's hands for a long time and that makes me nervous
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 05, 2010, 01:18:33 PM
Diezel,

I agree with you to some degree.  Playing at Kzoo has been tough the last few years and if you dont mind another trip down memory lane, the last time Trine visited Kalamazoo, Kzoo jumped to an early lead and dominated  the line of scrimmage for most of the game until Trine made a furious comeback fueled by turnovers and huge plays through the air to score with less than two minutes to go with a chance to tie the game.  They kicked the PAT to tie, but took the points off the board on a defensive penalty to go for 2 and the win. Thats another game I will never forget.

Now that I have that out of the way, Kzoo and Albion are fairly one deminsional on offense.  I have faith that Trine can buckle down and stop either the pass or the run on any given Saturday.  I have a feeling they will be able to get good pressure on the Kzoo QB, and load the box and make Albion beat them through the air.  A good balanced team could give them some trouble, but they might not run into one until the playoffs.

Either Albion or Kzoo might be able to put some points on the board, but neither of them will be able to stop this very balanced, very dangerous Trine offense.  Trine wins both even if the defense falters and they simply have to outscoring them
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 05, 2010, 01:43:32 PM
I agree with you BoredAtWork.

Trine's balance is what seperates it from the rest of the MIAA. There offense has so many formations and personnel groups they simply find what's working and then roll up the yards and points. The defense puts a ton of pressure on the QB to help make the defensive backs job easier and the linebackers are great against the run. Again, they rotate alot of peoplein on the defensive front to keep them fresh.

The area that doesn't get mentioned enough in my opinion is Trine's Special Teams. How many points have they scored this year with blocked punts, and punt and kick returns? Not to mention the Verley kid is always a threat to block a pat or field goal. Howard is a great a kicker and the punter is darn good also.

One other thing, they have the best coaching staff in the conference, and the half time adjutments they make always seemto be the right ones.

With all that being said, I think that having to win out to win the Conference Title outright will only help Trine in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 05, 2010, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 05, 2010, 09:43:07 AM
The season is not over yet, so why is this board so quiet? The MIAA has an undefeated team and a playoff bound team in Trine. Other than discussing sflzman's new helmet, there has been no conversation! :(

1. Will Trine win the MIAA, Yes ?

2. Can Hope win away at Adrian?

3. Does Olivet win a MIAA game?

1. Do I need to answer?

2. No. Adrian will win by 13+

3. If they are going to, it has to be tomorrow....I still give about a 1.5% chance....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 05, 2010, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 05, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
To be honest, K-zoo scares me and so does Albion. Trine struggles at K-zoo and Orr could run for 250. He has the potential to keep the ball in Albion's hands for a long time and that makes me nervous

Orr's a beast, and has the potential to lead Albion to an upset anytime, but I just don't see it happening based on what he's done this season....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 05, 2010, 03:52:39 PM
Food for thought....

Is there any chance that Alma will finish in a Tie for 3rd? Here's my reasoning to yes....

A win at Olivet will put them at 2-3...Adrian I believe will beat Hope, and Trine will definately beat Kzoo.

Standings should look like this:

1. Trine (5-0)
2. Albion (4-1)
3. Adrian (3-2)
4. Hope (2-3)
4. Alma (2-3)
6. Kalamazoo (2-4)
7. Olivet (0-5)

It should come down to: Do you think Alma will beat Adrian on Senior Day where Alma has not lost since 1996...an 80-40 massacring at the hands of Albion.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2010, 04:54:34 PM
sflzman:

If Alma plays the way it is capable of, I think they will beat Adrian, especially since it is at home for Alma and a very special day i.e. Senior Day as you mention.

BTW, I remember that shellshacking 80 point game by Albion.  While Alma could do nothing right that day it seemed, Albion piled on the score, which obviously didn't go over well with Alma's coaching staff or the players I might say.  However, they got paid back the next year when Alma finally smashed Albion in a 56-16 win, one of the more larger losses by an Albion team in a long time during that stretch of the '90's.

Anyway, as we've all been discussing, the last two games of this season for the most of the MIAA teams will be to try and salvage what they can out of their "season gone bad".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on November 05, 2010, 05:57:13 PM
Frankly, Trine's run so far had been so dominant that doing a lot of chest thumping on this board has seemed a little like piling on.  That being said...my son is a senior...I have enjoyed the hell out of this season and I do not want it to end.  I cannot be real objective but this is a deep and talented team that has been focused all season long.  I expect no less tomorrow.  As pointed out above Trine is a team that has got to be a defensive coach's nightmare. There are simply too many weapons to cover them all.  And while the offense gets all the press the defense has been a constant smothering presence and as the weather gets colder that becomes an even more important weapon.  I'd be shocked if this team failed to "show up" tomorrow or next week and expect an undefeated regular season.  How far they go in the playoffs....who knows...but the talent is there, the ability is there, the coaching is there.....what a ride!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2010, 06:44:19 PM
TrineDad:

Great to have you on the board.  You can be very proud of your son.  Great to know about so many of the Trine parents/families being able to enjoy this culmination with their son's careers.  For what it's worth, I don't think anyone here on this board would take yours or any of your Trine colleague's comments as "chest thumping".  Trine has earned the accalodes so far and as that more modern current saying goes..."it is what it is" (which is a modern way of saying that..."it is simply the truth". ;))

Anyway, since we (Hope) can't win it, I'm pulling for you guys to advance even further in the playoffs this year.  However,...obviously I should not jump ahead as you have to take care of business this week first and then on the final Sat of the regular season - one game at a time.  Good luck tomorrow against a tricky Kazoo team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2010, 06:59:55 PM
IF Albion somehow pulls off a miracle next week, it will be interesting to see if Trine gets a pool C.  Their SoS is pretty weak, and there look to be a LOT of 9-1 teams.

Methinks the Thunder better take care of business (I think they will) or they should be VERY nervous on selection day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2010, 08:57:22 PM
You have a good point there, Mr. Ypsi.  Like you, though, I think that Trine will rise to the task and take care of business.  It will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 05, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2010, 06:59:55 PM
IF Albion somehow pulls off a miracle next week, it will be interesting to see if Trine gets a pool C.  Their SoS is pretty weak, and there look to be a LOT of 9-1 teams.

Methinks the Thunder better take care of business (I think they will) or they should be VERY nervous on selection day.

I think that Trine will get an at-large bid even if they lose to Albion...with the two wins last year, the name "Trine" should be respected a bit more, even though the name "MIAA" may not....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2010, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 05, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2010, 06:59:55 PM
IF Albion somehow pulls off a miracle next week, it will be interesting to see if Trine gets a pool C.  Their SoS is pretty weak, and there look to be a LOT of 9-1 teams.

Methinks the Thunder better take care of business (I think they will) or they should be VERY nervous on selection day.

I think that Trine will get an at-large bid even if they lose to Albion...with the two wins last year, the name "Trine" should be respected a bit more, even though the name "MIAA" may not....

sflzman:

I tend to disagree with you on that.  Although I think Trine is deserving of an at -large bid if they were to have 1 loss; like Pat and Mr. Ypsi said, there are too many other teams that would be most likely 9-1 with much stronger SoS ratings.  As much as I am not necessarily a fan of the SoS in the way it is set up and/or interpreted, I think that Trine would be shut out due to the committee that makes the decisions being so in to that system.  They would most likely go with the more "known" or name teams out East that have traditionally been stronger or "to the dance" before, much more than Trine.  If that happens, I am not saying I would agree with that, but also admitting my MIAA bias for Trine, I would not be happy if that were to occur.

Anyway, lets hope that Trine just wins out and all the above will be a mute point - i.e. pure speculation before the actual final outcome happened obviously. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
IF Trine goes 9-1 and doesn't get a pool C, it is purely the fault of the MIAA.  The OAC, with 10 teams, plays only ONE non-con game per team - inevitably their OWP is VERY close to .500.  With only 6 conference games per team, the MIAA can have an OWP WAY above (or below) .500.  Alas, for the MIAA, it is WAY below. :(

Step it up, Olivet, Hope, Alma, ... 8-)

Though, Trine, you COULD step up your own OWP (8-25??!!)! :P  Perhaps it wouldn't be PURELY the fault of your conference partners. ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2010, 12:02:06 AM
Correction on previous post.  UWRF is non-region, so the Trine OWP is 8-17.  (Ironic that, because they are WIAC, 0-8 UWRF seemed, at the time, to be Trine's most impressive non-con game! :P)  [And, of course, 8-25 (or the corrected 8-17) is only the non-con OWP, not the total OWP (which IS still pulled down by MIAA opponents).

I think Trine has advanced to the neighborhood that (say) Franklin and Wabash would be much more appropriate than Anderson and Bluffton.  I realize that it take 'two to tango', so if Trine has already tried to upgrade and been rebuffed, my apologies.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 06, 2010, 05:48:49 PM
No surprise on today's finals....

Alma 35, Olivet 21
Trine 59, Kalamazoo 17
Adrian 33, Hope 7
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2010, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 06, 2010, 05:48:49 PM
No surprise on today's finals....

Alma 35, Olivet 21
Trine 59, Kalamazoo 17
Adrian 33, Hope 7

Indeed, there were not.  I just got back from the Hope/Adrian game.  Hope played terrible again.  First half was not too bad, only 14-7 at halftime.  However, Hope was in the redzone with about 2 minutes left right before the half and couldn't score.  They didn't show up in the second half; two many mistakes, lackadaisical play.  Adrian didn't really have to make any adjustments - they just played their game.  Huge running plays and long pass plays for TD's; although Adrian had two blocked PATs.  A beautiful day for football this late in the season (sunny but cold when the sun went under the clouds) and a nice day for Senior Day for the senior players and their parents (they also acknowledged the senior cheerleaders, band members, dance team, etc., which  I thought was a nice touch).  ADrian has a very nice and sizable marcing band which is great.

Nice stadium with single permanent seating as most of you know.  One aspect I like is the top tier of the main press  box is enclosed for the film crews filming the game.  It would be nice if the rest of the MIAA stadiums had that (hint, hint to Kazoo when they build their new press box, renovate Angell Field ;) ::)).  Only disappointing aspect is that the attendance was not that great - of the five main sections, only 3 filled and the main reserved seating was so sparse you could "hear a pin drop".  However, that is not surprising (i.e. the attendance) from what we've heard from Adrian posters here in the past.

It shoiuld be a tight game with Adrian at Alma next week up at Alma as slfzman has mentioned.  As far as Hope, they had better "shape up fast" or they might end up having a problem with Olivet in the season final at home for Parent's Day next Saturday.  Of course, it is now for the MIAA title next week between Trine and Albion.  Although I think Trine will win, despite Albion having lost to Kazoo and Trine blasting Kazoo today, that doesn't mean anything in a title game.  It will be interesting to see that outcome.

BTW, what a barnburner at U of Michigan today.  67-65 is like a basketball score.  Luckiy for Rich Rod because if they had lost that game, I think his job would be in more peril than it is.  Anyway, I will be interested to hear the rest of your takes on the other MIAA games today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
RichRod may have dodged the bullet today, but Glen Robinson is toast.  If Rodriguez didn't already plan to change the DC, I'd suspect that might be a condition of his continued employment!

BTW, MIAA Pickems results and the final slate are now up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 06, 2010, 07:00:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2010, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 06, 2010, 05:48:49 PM
No surprise on today's finals....

Alma 35, Olivet 21
Trine 59, Kalamazoo 17
Adrian 33, Hope 7

Indeed, there were not.  I just got back from the Hope/Adrian game.  Hope played terrible again.  First half was not too bad, only 14-7 at halftime.  However, Hope was in the redzone with about 2 minutes left right before the half and couldn't score.  They didn't show up in the second half; two many mistakes, lackadaisical play.  Adrian didn't really have to make any adjustments - they just played their game.  Huge running plays and long pass plays for TD's; although Adrian had two blocked PATs.  A beautiful day for football this late in the season (sunny but cold when the sun went under the clouds) and a nice day for Senior Day for the senior players and their parents (they also acknowledged the senior cheerleaders, band members, dance team, etc., which  I thought was a nice touch).  ADrian has a very nice and sizable marcing band which is great.

Nice stadium with single permanent seating as most of you know.  One aspect I like is the top tier of the main press  box is enclosed for the film crews filming the game.  It would be niced if the rest of the MIAA stadiums had that (hint, hint to Kazoo when they build their new press box, renovate Angell Field ;) ::)).  Oonly disappointing aspect is that the attendance was not that great - of the five main sections, only 3 filled and the main reserved seating was so sparse you could "hear a pin drop".  However, that is not surprising (i.e. the attendance) from what we've heard from Adrian posters here in the past.

It shoiuld be a tight game with Adrian at Alma next week up at Alma as slfzman has mentioned.  As far as Hope, they had better "shape up fast" or they might end up having a problem with Olivet in the season final at home for Parent's Day next Saturday.  Of course, it is now for the MIAA title next week between Trine and Albion.  Although I think Trine will win, despite Albion having lost to Kazoo and Trine blasting Kazoo today, that doesn't mean anything in a title game.  It will be interesting to see that outcome.

BTW, what a barnburner at U of Michigan today.  67-65 is like a basketball score.  Luckiy for Rich Rod because if they had lost that game, I think his job would be in more peril than it is.  Anyway, I will be interested to hear the rest of your takes on the other MIAA games today.


It is too bad Rich Rod got a win...I wanted him to lose so he could go to my Gophers!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 06, 2010, 10:09:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2010, 12:02:06 AM
Correction on previous post.  UWRF is non-region, so the Trine OWP is 8-17.  (Ironic that, because they are WIAC, 0-8 UWRF seemed, at the time, to be Trine's most impressive non-con game! :P)  [And, of course, 8-25 (or the corrected 8-17) is only the non-con OWP, not the total OWP (which IS still pulled down by MIAA opponents).

I think Trine has advanced to the neighborhood that (say) Franklin and Wabash would be much more appropriate than Anderson and Bluffton.  I realize that it take 'two to tango', so if Trine has already tried to upgrade and been rebuffed, my apologies.

Aren't non-conference games scheduled three or four years in advance? It wasn't too long ago that Trine was the Olivet of the conference and were 0-10.  Six years ago I believe. The following year they were 2-8 in the current coaching staff's first year. Since then they have been 6-4, 10-1, 11-1, and the current  9-0.   I am guessing that the weak non-conference games we are discussing now may not have seemed like blowouts when they were scheduled.   

Also, Trines rececent non-conference schedule has included Franklin, Defiance, Wisconsin Lutheran, Kentucky Christian (NAIA), and this year they added LaGrange College from Georgia (also NAIA). So it's not as if they continue to play the same bad teams. It looks like they are trying to find a good mix.

My early prediction for next Saturday: Trine 42 - Albion 17.

Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2010, 10:30:03 PM
adidas, in d3 I'm pretty sure just 1-2 years in advance is much more common than 3-4, but point taken.  You never know for sure what a team will be like when you actually play them.  (But some are pretty predictably bad [e.g., Bluffton], others pretty predictably good [e.g., Wabash].)  (BTW, Wisc Lu was MIAA for a spell - did Trine ever play them as a non-con?)

Scheduling UWRF may well have been an attempt to 'upgrade' which went lamentably bad.  Still, there are programs that would be predictably an upgrade over the Andersons of the world. ;)  (Of course, it is also possible that Trine may now be in that 'sticky-wicket' place: a very tough team from a weak conference that no one wants to play; a win gets too little credit and a loss is entirely too possible.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2010, 11:29:53 PM
adidas:

Mr. Ypsi is correct.  Most DIII contracts are for at least a two year series (sometimes 3-4).  For example; Hope had those with Wheaton for about 4 years, also used to have Wabash and DePauw.  This year, having played IWU, next year will be the 4th and last in that series, to be then replaced by North Park for 3-4 years; having played Millikin this year also, they are scheduled to play them through 2013. 

Also, as you mention, no one really knows how good (or bad) teams will be in the future when these games are scheduled.  What may have been a powerhouse team before a series is scheduled, might end up being an average or below average team by the time those years actually take place.  In addition, we've discussed this here many times in the past, but some people (like myself) believe that trying to play upper tier teams in one's non-conference schedule can't help but improve the program over a period of time, at least as far as knowing what to expect and what it takes to advance to "that next level" and the playoffs.  For some teams, that seems to work, however, for Hope, while that helped many years ago, unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case in recent years.  One reason for that is the recruiting challenges in regards to the DII schools as we've also recently discussed here.

Regardless, I think with Trine's success the past 3 years after they were at the bottom tier, they will have a good chance of progressing further in the playoffs this year, if they win the league against Albion next week (which I think they will) and also because there seems to be even more parity in DIII this year than ever in the past few years.  Speaking of Trine, I have one other comment regarding the AQ, howeve, since this post is already long, I will post that in the next right after this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2010, 11:32:27 PM
I noticed on the main page of D3fb.com in the summary review article tonight of those colleges that clinched their league's AQ today, that they had listed Trine as doing so today also.  I think that is incorrect because Trine is 5-0 in the league and Albion is 4-1; thus as we've discussed, if Albion upsets Trine next Saturday in the final game, then Albion would clinch by virtue of beating Trine.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2010, 11:40:02 PM
adidas:

BTW, nice Trine helmet logo on your profile!  You are now an official member of our "helmet club" here on this MIAA board :)!  Welcome! (You can credit Raider68 - he started it all here even though he is from the OAC board; he is a member of this board too!!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 07, 2010, 08:40:00 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2010, 11:32:27 PM
I noticed on the main page of D3fb.com in the summary review article tonight of those colleges that clinched their league's AQ today, that they had listed Trine as doing so today also.  I think that is incorrect because Trine is 5-0 in the league and Albion is 4-1; thus as we've discussed, if Albion upsets Trine next Saturday in the final game, then Albion would clinch by virtue of beating Trine.  

Former - you are right.  Trine has clinched a share of the MIAA title but they have to beat Albion to advance to the playoffs.  I believe the deciding factor for the playoff berth is the head to head competion and if both Albion and Trine end up 5 - 1 in the MIAA then Albion gets the nod since they beat Trine.  At least that's what our boys believe so they know it is IMPERATIVE that they beat Albion next weekend.

Saturday, 11/13 will also be Senior Day at Trine.  It was senior day at Kazoo yesterday and they announced 8 seniors.  Before the start of the season Trine had 28 seniors on the roster (I think we've lost one or two since then).  I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before but what is the senior count for the other MIAA schools?  

As many of you know, my son is a senior at Trine this year.  I'm still stunned that the 4 years have gone by so fast.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 09:29:23 AM
LetItRain:

Thanks for the follow-up.  I (and most of us here) thought that was the case.  Most likely, the writer of the artcle meant that Trine had clinched a share like you mentioned.

I know what you mean about the time going by so fast.  As parents (and even for those of us who were former players), it doesn't "hit you until" that last week as you have mentioned.  So, for what it's worth and although I know you and yours (and your son) will being doing this already, I wish you all a wonderful week and enjoyable time as you savor the memories of his last four years and, of course, this Saturday's game and hopefully clinching of the playoff berth.  I'm sure your son will make the most of and savor his last practices this week.  Although all of us hated practice at times  ;D, I never enjoyed them so much as I did that last week of my own collegiate career.  I gave it more than 110% (not that I didn't all those years before ;D ::) ;)).  So all the best to your son and you and yours as well.

Regarding your question, Hope has 18 seniors listed on the roster this year.  I don't think we've lost anyone.  So it will be a special day for them also this Saturday in the last home game/last game of the year for them.  Although, at Hope, they call it "Parent's Day" to honor not only the players, but the parents of the senior players as well.  I'd have to look at the other game programs of the other MIAA schools to count the # of seniors on those rosters, but perhaps some of our colleagues on this board from those schools will help us out.

Take care.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 07, 2010, 09:38:17 AM
Let it Rain

The college experience goes by too fast.

Enjoy it, have to say 3 of the proudest/saddest days in my life.
When my College Football Days ended and when my kids football days were over.
I was certainly more reflective when my son's graduated.

Next week is a big game. I think it is a home game for Trine.
Like they need any help.   ;D
Have to go against my team and say Trine wins.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 10:35:08 AM
Nice reflections D306.  I can relate the same.

BTW, "Oh ye of little faith"! ;D  Although the odds are against it, you should pick your Albion in an upset!  As much as I realize when Hope is probably not going to win in some particular games at times, for some reason I can't quite bring myself to pick against them, even though I am delusional in those situations! ::) ;D

Now, having said that, and in relation to what I've posted here earlier in the week, the way we (Hope) have been playing of recent, you/I could probably "flip a coin" to pick the winner of this upcoming Saturday's Hope/Olivet game.  I think it could go either way, but, again, I have to go with my alma mater.  I am picking them since it is Parent's Day at home and there might be an emotional high for that (although, unfortunately, our players haven't been quite able to reach such heights in the last two weeks :( ;)).  We'll see what happens.  I am hoping that the weather might remain wonderful like it has this weekend (or even just decent), however, I have a fear that it could be one of those very cold, grey/cloudy, windy or rain drizzling type days (or even perhaps a mild flurry of snow) like it usually is for the last regular season game in Novemeber over the years.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 07, 2010, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 10:35:08 AM
Nice reflections D306.  I can relate the same.

BTW, "Oh ye of little faith"! ;D  Although the odds are against it, you should pick your Albion in an upset!  As much as I realize when Hope is probably not going to win in some particular games at times, for some reason I can't quite bring myself to pick against them, even though I am delusional in those situations! ::) ;D

Now, having said that, and in relation to what I've posted here earlier in the week, the way we (Hope) have been playing of recent, you/I could probably "flip a coin" to pick the winner of this upcoming Saturday's Hope/Olivet game.  I think it could go either way, but, again, I have to go with my alma mater.  I am picking them since it is Parent's Day at home and there might be an emotional high for that (although, unfortunately, our players haven't been quite able to reach such heights in the last two weeks :( ;)).  We'll see what happens.  I am hoping that the weather might remain wonderful like it has this weekend (or even just decent), however, I have a fear that it could be one of those very cold, grey/cloudy, windy or rain drizzling type days (or even perhaps a mild flurry of snow) like it usually is for the last regular season game in Novemeber over the years.   

Formerd3db,

Sound like your attendance to the Hope /Adrian was enough to change the outcome. Trine is the real deal for the MIAA, so let's see where they are slotted for the playoffs. It was cold in Ohio at the Mount Union/ B-W game, but a good crowd of 6,500 + fans. The cooler weather provides the atmosphere to any fall game, as long as it is not raining. :)

The "Helmet Club" is growing, kind of neat! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 02:39:16 PM
Raider68:

Well, I thought we might have had a chance, but when we were on Adrian's 1 yard line (it that or near there - my memory is a little cloudy without looking at the stat/replay sheet right now) with the score only 14-7, less than two minutes left in the 2nd quarter before the half and we can't score, then I knew we were in trouble.  You can't expect to win when you can't make the plays.  Then Adrian comes right out on the opening drive of the 2nd half and scors, so we were down 21-7; when they scored again, any visions of a potential comeback went down the drain because Hope could do nothing thereafer. So other than the nice weather as you mentioned was at your game as well, it was not a very fun day for us Hope people. :( 

Also, wow, 6500+ for the Mount/B-W game - that is great!   I mentioned this a week back or so on another board, but were it not for us having our last regular season game next week, I would love to go down to the Monon Bell game.  Perhaps some year, I can (perhaps in some weird year where our "bye" week falls on the last game of the season and we are done early, although I doubt the schedules would ever be that way).

Anyway, indeed, "The Helmet Club" is growing and that is neat.  With you as our "President", it can only get better.  Perhaps some of our other colleagues on both boards will do more helmets, although the college logos are neat as well.  "To each his own" as that saying goes, but I like the helmets!


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 02:40:58 PM
Raider68:
P.S. Congrats on your 300th +k. Also, "Eureka" (and I'm not referring to that college ;D ::)) - we've finally made page 300 here on the MIAA board!  We'll never catch the other boards, but at least we are not in last place! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 07, 2010, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
RichRod may have dodged the bullet today, but Glen Robinson is toast.  If Rodriguez didn't already plan to change the DC, I'd suspect that might be a condition of his continued employment!

BTW, MIAA Pickems results and the final slate are now up.

I was there, at halftime my brother turned to me and said he felt like he had watched a whole ballgame already.  It was 31-31.  I've re-watched it twice(I fast-forward through the Michigan defense, because seriously whats the point) and I still can't believe all the great plays.

Also Glen Robinson is a former Purdue basketball player....Greg Robinson is the Michigan DC.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on November 07, 2010, 06:40:49 PM
I think the thing I was most impressed with in Trine's win over Kzoo yesterday was the way the team executed in the first half.  I know coaches always say you take them one at a time and the next opponent is always the toughest and so on.  But, I don't think that anyone on Trine's team really thought that Kzoo would beat them.  That is a dangerous thing.  It is a tribute to the coaches and the team itself, and it is consistent with the way this team has approached each game that the Thunder came out firing on all cylinders on offense and defense in the first half.  Trine made it clear from the very first series that there would be no upset in Kzoo this year!  With that kind of focus and execution next week and beyond who knows how long this season might last!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2010, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: sac on November 07, 2010, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
RichRod may have dodged the bullet today, but Glen Robinson is toast.  If Rodriguez didn't already plan to change the DC, I'd suspect that might be a condition of his continued employment!

BTW, MIAA Pickems results and the final slate are now up.

I was there, at halftime my brother turned to me and said he felt like he had watched a whole ballgame already.  It was 31-31.  I've re-watched it twice(I fast-forward through the Michigan defense, because seriously whats the point) and I still can't believe all the great plays.

Also Glen Robinson is a former Purdue basketball player....Greg Robinson is the Michigan DC.  ;)

OOPS! :-[  I knew it was Greg, but typed Glen anyway!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 08:24:55 PM
I was going to mention that too, but I figured that Mr. Ypsi knew it also, despite having typed in the wrong first name (I've done the same thing by mistake in the past when trying to post too quickly and not proof-reading my comments and then not getting back to "modify" the mistake).  Anyway, Mr. Ypsi is not unfamiliar with Michigan (and Eastern Michigan) football by any means.  So you are forgiven, Mr. Ypsi! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 08:29:33 PM
TrineDad:

Indeed, that is a dangerous attitude to have.  As good as your Trine team is, and should (will probably) beat Albion, they dare not take that same attitude into the game because Albion will jam them good and pull the upset.  Historically, Albion is very (is always) capable of doing that and can be very dangerous regardless of how they have played during a season. I don't mean that as any disrespect to your Trine team.  It's just that playing Albion is always a tough task no matter what the situation has been.  On the other hand, the home field advantage for Trine with a huge crowd I expect will be a major advantage for Trine.  It could be a good game, although it could also just as easily end up in a blowout if Albion is "shellshocked early", although regardless, I expect that Trine will win. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 08:36:20 PM
TrineDad:
P.S. You need to get a helmet logo posted on your profile and join us in "The Helmet Club"! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on November 08, 2010, 05:52:05 AM
I'll work on that.....although I'll probably need my son's help!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 08, 2010, 07:32:24 AM
I've got a Trine link for ya if ud like...

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/TrineFootball.GIF

Just copy that and paste it into your profile page....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 08, 2010, 08:14:52 AM
sflzman - thank you for the helmet link!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2010, 08:52:43 AM
LetItRain:
Welcome to "The Helmet Club"! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 08, 2010, 09:25:03 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on November 08, 2010, 08:14:52 AM
sflzman - thank you for the helmet link!

LetItRain,

Well done! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 08, 2010, 09:27:55 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 02:40:58 PM
Raider68:
P.S. Congrats on your 300th +k. Also, "Eureka" (and I'm not referring to that college ;D ::)) - we've finally made page 300 here on the MIAA board!  We'll never catch the other boards, but at least we are not in last place! ;D

Formerd3db,

Thanks for that and the Helmet Club grows!. Sunday's playoff announcements will be interesting! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2010, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 08, 2010, 09:27:55 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 07, 2010, 02:40:58 PM
Raider68:
P.S. Congrats on your 300th +k. Also, "Eureka" (and I'm not referring to that college ;D ::)) - we've finally made page 300 here on the MIAA board!  We'll never catch the other boards, but at least we are not in last place! ;D

Formerd3db,

Thanks for that and the Helmet Club grows!. Sunday's playoff announcements will be interesting! :)

You are welcome and indeed, it does.  I also agree that it will be interesting to see how the final selections play out this Saturday.  The good news, at least for here in Michigan and the Midwest is that the projected weather forecast for Saturday is supposed to again be extremely nice for this time of year - sunny with some slight clouds and slight chill but with temps in the high 50's.  It should be comfortable when the sun is out, as long as the wind stays down.  That will be great, although as we all know, those predicted weather reports could very well change by game time on Saturday.  However, I hope not! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on November 08, 2010, 11:10:43 AM
Thanks sflzman!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2010, 12:32:53 PM
Welcome to "The Helmet Club" TrineDad! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 08, 2010, 01:11:42 PM
Can I play?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft1.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcQXLV9k0B4jdu_uSfTO3sCvAKg2_HWZLHvtrphvnJKpDTBmVbU%26amp%3Bt%3D1%26amp%3Busg%3D__lOLNo72JSdMB7UfFllaxoy3LzgA%3D&hash=bad002e404e6b8192c61a56129441ff42e3ad074)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 08, 2010, 02:29:59 PM
So random, but oh, so funny.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 08, 2010, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on November 08, 2010, 08:14:52 AM
sflzman - thank you for the helmet link!

No problem! Always glad to help with the few things I know....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 08, 2010, 09:53:34 PM
Just checkin to see if my helmet link worked
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on November 08, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
Unless there's a really small red "x" in the upper left hand corner of a real pale white helmet, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 08, 2010, 10:07:49 PM
I'm getting the pale white helmet with the blue box and a white question mark in the middle ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2010, 10:36:18 PM
Come on, diezel, get it together!  We'll be awaiting you getting the helmet uploaded.  BTW, as you are having trouble uploading your helmet logo, something must be going on with the site link as I'm not able to even post the smiley faces or other symbols on here this evening for some reason.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2010, 10:39:54 PM
sac:
Of course, you can, and we'll give you some leeway on that! Especially since you are paying tribute to the late Sparky Anderson who passed away last week with his photo on your profile!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2010, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: sac on November 08, 2010, 01:11:42 PM
Can I play?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft1.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcQXLV9k0B4jdu_uSfTO3sCvAKg2_HWZLHvtrphvnJKpDTBmVbU%26amp%3Bt%3D1%26amp%3Busg%3D__lOLNo72JSdMB7UfFllaxoy3LzgA%3D&hash=bad002e404e6b8192c61a56129441ff42e3ad074)

Even though I've had cats virtually that calm and docile, it always surprises me.  If you tried that with my current cat, you'd be missing some fingers! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 09, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Formerd3db,

Where is the Flying Dutch Fan, he has been MIA on this board?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 09, 2010, 10:23:13 AM
I'm struggling here. I tried putting the address in that sflzman posted and I clicked on I have my own pic but its not uploading. I'm just getting the crappy pale white helmet with the little red x in the corner...What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2010, 11:34:26 AM
You had http:// twice. I fixed it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 09, 2010, 12:03:59 PM
So simple. Thanks Pat
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 09, 2010, 12:09:27 PM
That's the thing with computers...they're supposedly SO smart, but they can't fix a common little mistake like that...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 09, 2010, 01:13:51 PM
So ... who can tell me how to get a University of Dubuque helmet on ?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 09, 2010, 01:47:32 PM
Here ya go!

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/DubuqueFootball.GIF
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 09, 2010, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 09, 2010, 01:47:32 PM
Here ya go!

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/DubuqueFootball.GIF

Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 09, 2010, 02:48:42 PM
So ... now we see if it works.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 09, 2010, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 09, 2010, 02:48:42 PM
So ... now we see if it works.

DBQ1965,

Nice Helmet! +K! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 09, 2010, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 09, 2010, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 09, 2010, 01:47:32 PM
Here ya go!

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/DubuqueFootball.GIF

Thanks.


No Problem! Welcome to the "helmet club" ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 09, 2010, 04:18:25 PM
D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

1. UWW (20)  500
2. Mount Union  478
3. North Central  453
4. Wesley   439
5. St. Thomas  418
6. UMHB   397
7. Delaware Valley 351
8. Hardin-Simmons 338
9. Ohio Northern  325
10. Linfield   314
11. Wartburg   297
12. Wittenberg  274
13. Trine   260
14. Thomas More  249
15. Bethel   223
16. Coe    206
17. Wheaton   186
18. Cal. Lutheran  149
19. Depauw   111
20. Pac. Lutheran 105
21. Central   86
22. Cortland State 75
23. Rowan    67
24. Montclair  54
25. Franklin   48

Dropped Out: #23 St. John Fisher, #24 Wabash

Also receiving votes: Hampden-Sydney (34), St. John Fisher (20), Willamette (19), Washington U (5), Salisbury(4),Wabash(4),Williams(4), Alfred (2), Illinois Wesleyan (2), Albion (1), Baldwin-Wallace (1), Muhlenberg (1)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2010, 10:39:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 09, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Formerd3db,

Where is the Flying Dutch Fan, he has been MIA on this board?

Raider68:
Good question!  He and some other of our regular posters from previous years of our other MIAA schools have been missing this year.  I wish they would return - good contributors all.  At least sac is here, but he is off at U of M games at times! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2010, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 09, 2010, 02:48:42 PM
So ... now we see if it works.

I "ditto" sflzman's welcome to you - welcome to "The Helmet Club"! :)  Between sflzman and Raider68, those two guys are our "recruiting coordinators" for that! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2010, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 09, 2010, 10:39:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 09, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Formerd3db,

Where is the Flying Dutch Fan, he has been MIA on this board?

Raider68:
Good question!  He and some other of our regular posters from previous years of our other MIAA schools have been missing this year.  I wish they would return - good contributors all.  At least sac is here, but he is off at U of M games at times! ;D

FDF is alive and well on the basketball and soccer boards.  I think he just bailed on the Hope football season to find more promising grounds! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2010, 12:18:16 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 09, 2010, 10:39:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 09, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Formerd3db,

Where is the Flying Dutch Fan, he has been MIA on this board?

Raider68:
Good question!  He and some other of our regular posters from previous years of our other MIAA schools have been missing this year.  I wish they would return - good contributors all.  At least sac is here, but he is off at U of M games at times! ;D

7 home games this year.  Thats a lot of weekends that are pre-planned.  $20 and a 4 hour drive will get me to Purdue...and I'm considering it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
I imagine most have seen this somewhere, but if you haven't enjoy this trick play.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Video-The-middle-school-trick-play-that-gained-?urn=highschool-283434
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2010, 07:32:22 AM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
I imagine most have seen this somewhere, but if you haven't enjoy this trick play.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Video-The-middle-school-trick-play-that-gained-?urn=highschool-283434

I saw it on SportsNation, and Colin Cowherd said something along the lines of "it was cheap, and un-sportsmanlike"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2010, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 09, 2010, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 09, 2010, 02:48:42 PM
So ... now we see if it works.

I "ditto" sflzman's welcome to you - welcome to "The Helmet Club"! :)  Between sflzman and Raider68, those two guys are our "recruiting coordinators" for that! ;D

This is a perfect time to slip this in as you mention "recruiting", this game is pretty fun, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who would enjoy it on this board: http://whatifsports.com/gd/

Also, the helmet club still needs to recruit Mr. Ypsi!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 10, 2010, 07:53:12 AM
Looking back to the D3 Fan Poll, I see Albion recieved one vote.  I guess an Albion alum has a vote!  At least now we have a top 25 matchup this weekend!  ::)

As the season winds down for all but one of our MIAA teams this week, I would like to wish all the seniors (and family) the best of luck in their final games.  It is a very bittersweet time, but one that will be looked upon fondly.  Enjoy every last minute of it, because once it is gone all you will have is the memories,  so go make some good ones!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 10, 2010, 08:32:24 AM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 10, 2010, 07:53:12 AM
Looking back to the D3 Fan Poll, I see Albion recieved one vote.  I guess an Albion alum has a vote!  At least now we have a top 25 matchup this weekend!  ::)

As the season winds down for all but one of our MIAA teams this week, I would like to wish all the seniors (and family) the best of luck in their final games.  It is a very bittersweet time, but one that will be looked upon fondly.  Enjoy every last minute of it, because once it is gone all you will have is the memories,  so go make some good ones!


Well said BoredatWork56, +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on November 10, 2010, 11:27:42 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 10, 2010, 07:32:22 AM
I saw it on SportsNation, and Colin Cowherd said something along the lines of "it was cheap, and un-sportsmanlike"

Indeed.  I haven't been over to officials.com recently, but there was the one video made its rounds where the kid was yelling at his coach that it was the wrong ball.  The center handed the ball to the QB so he could "take it over to the coach."  Then, he turned upfield for the cheap score.  All the football officials in that forum said they would have thrown a 15-yard unsportsmanlike flag.  I imagine this gets the same thing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 10, 2010, 02:29:23 PM
We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2010, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: altor on November 10, 2010, 11:27:42 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 10, 2010, 07:32:22 AM
I saw it on SportsNation, and Colin Cowherd said something along the lines of "it was cheap, and un-sportsmanlike"

Indeed.  I haven't been over to officials.com recently, but there was the one video made its rounds where the kid was yelling at his coach that it was the wrong ball.  The center handed the ball to the QB so he could "take it over to the coach."  Then, he turned upfield for the cheap score.  All the football officials in that forum said they would have thrown a 15-yard unsportsmanlike flag.  I imagine this gets the same thing.

Yes I saw that one as well, I once was fooled into giving up a TD in 6th grade football for a "practice snap"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2010, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 10, 2010, 07:53:12 AM
Looking back to the D3 Fan Poll, I see Albion recieved one vote.  I guess an Albion alum has a vote!  At least now we have a top 25 matchup this weekend!  ::)

It was my vote that put Albion there, my #25 spot was between Albion and Washington&Lee. My MIAA bias helped lead to that decision  ;D

Hopefully Albion doesn't make a fool of my vote on Saturday
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 10, 2010, 04:01:17 PM
Anybody else surprised to see Trine drop to 6th in the regional rankings?  They got jumped by Wittenburg who went from 9th to 5th after a win against Wabash (7-2). 

I am a little surprised. They havn't lost focus or let any team put up much of a fight over the last few weeks.  They have outscored their opponents 230-46 over their last 5 games since their only close game this season against Adrian.  Thats an average of 46-9.2 for those of you scoring at home.

That just goes to show how much they take into account the strength of schedule when compiling these regional rankings.  Most of us on here know Trine is a very good team, regardless of who they have played, and have a good chance to make a playoff run.  Even though they just may have to do it starting on the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 10, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 10, 2010, 04:01:17 PM
Anybody else surprised to see Trine drop to 6th in the regional rankings? 

Not surprised at all.  As you noted, the powers to be look at stats and numbers combined with strength of schedule.  Unfortunately, those lofty numbers for Trine also do not reveal that for most of those games many of the starters were mercifully pulled after 2-3 quarters.  I suspect very few of those doing the rankings have seen Trine play in person (just like I have not seen these other teams   :) ). 

I knew at the start of the season there was not a lot of first hand knowledge when Trine started the season ranked worse than they finished last year, despite returning so many starters, and having so many seniors, from a team that last year squashed the #10 team Case Western, at Case, in the playoffs.   

Most people only look at that SOS and rank them that way.  One or two higher quality wins would have made a difference.  It is what it is, nothing that can be done about it now, except that if I were a player I would be highly motivated to prove people wrong.

Before any of that can happen, however, they have to beat an Albion team that has been prepping for two weeks and is hungry for a playoff game themselves.  Who is more hungry?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 10, 2010, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 10, 2010, 04:01:17 PM
Anybody else surprised to see Trine drop to 6th in the regional rankings?  They got jumped by Wittenburg who went from 9th to 5th after a win against Wabash (7-2). 

I am a little surprised. They havn't lost focus or let any team put up much of a fight over the last few weeks.  They have outscored their opponents 230-46 over their last 5 games since their only close game this season against Adrian.  Thats an average of 46-9.2 for those of you scoring at home.

That just goes to show how much they take into account the strength of schedule when compiling these regional rankings.  Most of us on here know Trine is a very good team, regardless of who they have played, and have a good chance to make a playoff run.  Even though they just may have to do it starting on the road.


Those rankings will change again for the selection on Sunday, how much, who knows, but I think Trine should have a home game, since they have had a very good year. Not sure how strong Wittenberg really is this year? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 11, 2010, 08:08:38 AM
I agree with Raider. I think Trine will get a first round home game (if they beat Albion), then have to go on the road.  And that is fine with me. In order to really make a splash in the world of D3 football, I think Trine needs to win atleast 2 games.  And in regards to the top 25, they have to beef up the schedule a little because as we have said numerous times, the MIAA isn't looked upon as a "tough conference".  I think Trine could win every regular season game, every year and not break the top 10.  If they set their schedule up like some other MIAA teams and played (and beat) some CCIW teams, then they would move up in the top 25
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
Well said Diezel. I believe that Trine is becoming the Boise State of D3 football. The ceiling placed on their national ranking is a direct result of the respect given to the conference they play in. Beefing up the non-conference schedule is the only way they will be able to crack the top 10 pre-season polls. That being said I would not schedule non-conference games like Hope and Olivet have.  Why go through a gauntlet like Hope did? it has to wreck them physically and mentally before the start of the conference games. I think if your going to play four non-conference games you should try and schedule two teams you can be successful against, a team that will push you, and a team that would be considered an upset if you win.  Just my opinion.

I also wonder what happened to the Defiance and Franklin games, did they drop Trine or wasit the other way around?

Go thunder! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
Well said Diezel. I believe that Trine is becoming the Boise State of D3 football. The ceiling placed on their national ranking is a direct result of the respect given to the conference they play in. Beefing up the non-conference schedule is the only way they will be able to crack the top 10 pre-season polls. That being said I would not schedule non-conference games like Hope and Olivet have.  Why go through a gauntlet like Hope did? it has to wreck them physically and mentally before the start of the conference games. I think if your going to play four non-conference games you should try and schedule two teams you can be successful against, a team that will push you, and a team that would be considered an upset if you win.  Just my opinion.

I also wonder what happened to the Defiance and Franklin games, did they drop Trine or wasit the other way around?

Go thunder! 

I don't know how yo can say that. Boise not only plays a solid non-con schedule - unlike Trine - they run the table in a weak conference - which Trine does - but they have not lost in the post-season, whereas Trine has only won one post-season game...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on November 11, 2010, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
I also wonder what happened to the Defiance and Franklin games, did they drop Trine or wasit the other way around?
Earlham happened to both Defiance and Franklin.

I was surprised to see it was Trine dropped from the DC schedule this fall, if only because it would keep travel costs down.  They decided to keep the game against Muskingum instead.  *shrug*
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 11:45:28 AM
Anthony Sabatella (the should have been MIAA Defensive player of the week) was named to the d3football.com Team of the Week yesterday...

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2010/11/10/TOW10

Complete Team: http://d3football.com/awards/tow/2010/week10
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 11, 2010, 12:07:51 PM
Good analogy adidas.  I think the MIAA in d3 does compare to the WAC in respects to one team being dominant and one or two other teams being competitive against better teams.  I also agree that playing a schedule like Hope or Olivet would be very challenging if things went wrong, but I think Trine would benefit more by playing 2 or 3 tougher teams. With the schedule the way it is now, Trine may be playing on the road in the playoffs (considering they win on saturday).  Play a couple tougher games and win, you move up.  If they would lose against those tougher teams and still win the conference, they would still be playing on the road.  Ultimately, the goal is to get to the playoffs and win some football games.  Having to play on the road in the playoffs makes that tougher and due to a weak conference schedule, that is what this team is looking at
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 11, 2010, 01:27:43 PM
Regarding the Trine scheduling, I dont think scheduling tougher teams will have the most impact on their rankings/seedings/national respct, etc. beause it will be another 3-4 years before the tougher schedule comes into play.  Who knows if they will be a dominant team by then. We all know how cyclical these things can be.

The best way to get where they want to be is to make a run in the playoffs.  If they are one of the last 8 teams left in the playoffs, that might vault them into a top 10 ranking next season.  And a top 10 team will stay there as long as  they win, regardless of who they play.  The best way to play good teams and prove that you can play with the big boys, is to do it when it matters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
Well said Diezel. I believe that Trine is becoming the Boise State of D3 football. The ceiling placed on their national ranking is a direct result of the respect given to the conference they play in. Beefing up the non-conference schedule is the only way they will be able to crack the top 10 pre-season polls. That being said I would not schedule non-conference games like Hope and Olivet have.  Why go through a gauntlet like Hope did? it has to wreck them physically and mentally before the start of the conference games. I think if your going to play four non-conference games you should try and schedule two teams you can be successful against, a team that will push you, and a team that would be considered an upset if you win.  Just my opinion.

I also wonder what happened to the Defiance and Franklin games, did they drop Trine or wasit the other way around?

Go thunder! 

I don't know how yo can say that. Boise not only plays a solid non-con schedule - unlike Trine - they run the table in a weak conference - which Trine does - but they have not lost in the post-season, whereas Trine has only won one post-season game...

I never said they were there yet. I said becoming  the Boise State, not  just like Boise. My point is the strength of the conference is hurting them in the rankings and their recent success is hurting them in regard to scheduling. They definitely need that deep run in the playoffs to earn any direct comparisons to Boise. I'm hoping this is the year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 11, 2010, 01:27:43 PM
Regarding the Trine scheduling, I dont think scheduling tougher teams will have the most impact on their rankings/seedings/national respct, etc. beause it will be another 3-4 years before the tougher schedule comes into play.  Who knows if they wil be a dominant team by then. We all know how cyclical these things can be.

The best way to get where they want to be is to make a run in the playoffs.  If they are one of the last 8 teams leaf in the playoffs, that might vault them into a top 10 ranking next season.  And a top 10 team will stay there as long as  they win, regardless of who they play.  The best way to play good teams and prove that you can play with the big boys, is to do it when it matters.
Great points, can't say I disagree with any of them. Definitely looking forward to that long playoff run!

Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
Well said Diezel. I believe that Trine is becoming the Boise State of D3 football. The ceiling placed on their national ranking is a direct result of the respect given to the conference they play in. Beefing up the non-conference schedule is the only way they will be able to crack the top 10 pre-season polls. That being said I would not schedule non-conference games like Hope and Olivet have.  Why go through a gauntlet like Hope did? it has to wreck them physically and mentally before the start of the conference games. I think if your going to play four non-conference games you should try and schedule two teams you can be successful against, a team that will push you, and a team that would be considered an upset if you win.  Just my opinion.

I also wonder what happened to the Defiance and Franklin games, did they drop Trine or wasit the other way around?

Go thunder! 

I don't know how yo can say that. Boise not only plays a solid non-con schedule - unlike Trine - they run the table in a weak conference - which Trine does - but they have not lost in the post-season, whereas Trine has only won one post-season game...

I never said they were there yet. I said becoming  the Boise State, not  just like Boise. My point is the strength of the conference is hurting them in the rankings and their recent success is hurting them in regard to scheduling. They definitely need that deep run in the playoffs to earn any direct comparisons to Boise. I'm hoping this is the year.

How bout a schedule worth saying you play NCAA Football?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
Well said Diezel. I believe that Trine is becoming the Boise State of D3 football. The ceiling placed on their national ranking is a direct result of the respect given to the conference they play in. Beefing up the non-conference schedule is the only way they will be able to crack the top 10 pre-season polls. That being said I would not schedule non-conference games like Hope and Olivet have.  Why go through a gauntlet like Hope did? it has to wreck them physically and mentally before the start of the conference games. I think if your going to play four non-conference games you should try and schedule two teams you can be successful against, a team that will push you, and a team that would be considered an upset if you win.  Just my opinion.

I also wonder what happened to the Defiance and Franklin games, did they drop Trine or wasit the other way around?

Go thunder! 

I don't know how yo can say that. Boise not only plays a solid non-con schedule - unlike Trine - they run the table in a weak conference - which Trine does - but they have not lost in the post-season, whereas Trine has only won one post-season game...

I never said they were there yet. I said becoming  the Boise State, not  just like Boise. My point is the strength of the conference is hurting them in the rankings and their recent success is hurting them in regard to scheduling. They definitely need that deep run in the playoffs to earn any direct comparisons to Boise. I'm hoping this is the year.

How bout a schedule worth saying you play NCAA Football?
Who would you suggest they schedule instead of Alma?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 11, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
While the Raiders only have one open non-conference game, maybe Trine should give Mount a call or maybe they have already. Not a long drive from Angola to Alliance! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2010, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 11, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
While the Raiders only have one open non-conference game, maybe Trine should give Mount a call or maybe they have already. Not a long drive from Angola to Alliance! :)

Hmmm ... replace Bluffton with Mt. Union?!

Not sure they wanted to upgrade quite that far! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 11, 2010, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 11, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
Well said Diezel. I believe that Trine is becoming the Boise State of D3 football. The ceiling placed on their national ranking is a direct result of the respect given to the conference they play in. Beefing up the non-conference schedule is the only way they will be able to crack the top 10 pre-season polls. That being said I would not schedule non-conference games like Hope and Olivet have.  Why go through a gauntlet like Hope did? it has to wreck them physically and mentally before the start of the conference games. I think if your going to play four non-conference games you should try and schedule two teams you can be successful against, a team that will push you, and a team that would be considered an upset if you win.  Just my opinion.

I also wonder what happened to the Defiance and Franklin games, did they drop Trine or wasit the other way around?

Go thunder! 

I don't know how yo can say that. Boise not only plays a solid non-con schedule - unlike Trine - they run the table in a weak conference - which Trine does - but they have not lost in the post-season, whereas Trine has only won one post-season game...

I never said they were there yet. I said becoming  the Boise State, not  just like Boise. My point is the strength of the conference is hurting them in the rankings and their recent success is hurting them in regard to scheduling. They definitely need that deep run in the playoffs to earn any direct comparisons to Boise. I'm hoping this is the year.

How bout a schedule worth saying you play NCAA Football?

The interesting thing is, right now masseyratings.com has Boise State at #49 in schedule played, Ohio State #56.......and their full schedule still ranks higher than Wisconsin and MSU's.

Massey does not like the Big 10. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 11, 2010, 05:08:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2010, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 11, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
While the Raiders only have one open non-conference game, maybe Trine should give Mount a call or maybe they have already. Not a long drive from Angola to Alliance! :)

Hmmm ... replace Bluffton with Mt. Union?!

Not sure they wanted to upgrade quite that far! :o

I'd doubt it  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
I don't think the schedulers for Trine could have anticipated how the non conference opponents would fair this year, based on last years performance.  Bluffton did not have a good track record, but Lagrange was 9-2 last year.  Manchester had played .500 ball last year, so they weren't necessarily a cellar dweller. 

River Falls only had a 3-7 record last year, but played in a very strong conference and may have faired better with an MIAA schedule.   The benefit of playing them is the experience of playing a long distance road game (likely in a playoff situation) against a team in a tough conference who would not have any respect for Trine, based on the caliber of the other teams River Falls played. 

I think the Trine coaches might have anticipated a tougher non conference schedule this year than how it worked out.

HUGE game against Albion, who played some very good teams tight.  I think Albion is a bit under-rated and I expect this to be a close one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2010, 11:40:12 AM
Great round of discussion all of you.  This has been some of the most numerous segments we've had on this board for quite a long time (as evidenced by the number of pages we've progressed in just these last few days).  So keep it up! :)

As far as tomorrow's games, I am kind of "bummed" that the weather report is now being predicted as being colder, cloudier and possibly rain.  After having such beautiful weather here in Michigan the last few days and particularly today, why can't we just have that for one more day on Saturday tomorrow? ??? ::)  Yet, I guess this just has to follow "tradition" as, usually, the last game of the season is a cold, cloudy, rainy (or snowy) "typical" November day!

Anyway, I join you others in wishing all the seniors on our MIAA teams (and their parents and families) who will be playing the last game of their careers tomorrow (and for that matter the other DIII teams across the nation) a most enjoyable conclusion.  It has been a great "ride" and hope you cherish the good memories.  Drive safe everyone and God Bless.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 12, 2010, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 12, 2010, 11:40:12 AM
Great round of discussion all of you.  This has been some of the most numerous segments we've had on this board for quite a long time (as evidenced by the number of pages we've progressed in just these last few days).  So keep it up! :)

As far as tomorrow's games, I am kind of "bummed" that the weather report is now being predicted as being colder, cloudier and possibly rain.  After having such beautiful weather here in Michigan the last few days and particularly today, why can't we just have that for one more day on Saturday tomorrow? ??? ::)  Yet, I guess this just has to follow "tradition" as, usually, the last game of the season is a cold, cloudy, rainy (or snowy) "typical" November day!

Anyway, I join you others in wishing all the seniors on our MIAA teams (and their parents and families) who will be playing the last game of their careers tomorrow (and for that matter the other DIII teams across the nation) a most enjoyable conclusion.  It has been a great "ride" and hope you cherish the good memories.  Drive safe everyone and God Bless.

formerd3db

Formerd3db,

Well said, those memories grow more important as we each grow older! I  would not trade for anything! :) +k

Hope the weatherman helps out on Saturday. In Ohio we are still looking at a dry fall day! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2010, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 12, 2010, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 12, 2010, 11:40:12 AM
Great round of discussion all of you.  This has been some of the most numerous segments we've had on this board for quite a long time (as evidenced by the number of pages we've progressed in just these last few days).  So keep it up! :)

As far as tomorrow's games, I am kind of "bummed" that the weather report is now being predicted as being colder, cloudier and possibly rain.  After having such beautiful weather here in Michigan the last few days and particularly today, why can't we just have that for one more day on Saturday tomorrow? ??? ::)  Yet, I guess this just has to follow "tradition" as, usually, the last game of the season is a cold, cloudy, rainy (or snowy) "typical" November day!

Anyway, I join you others in wishing all the seniors on our MIAA teams (and their parents and families) who will be playing the last game of their careers tomorrow (and for that matter the other DIII teams across the nation) a most enjoyable conclusion.  It has been a great "ride" and hope you cherish the good memories.  Drive safe everyone and God Bless.

formerd3db

Formerd3db,

Well said, those memories grow more important as we each grow older! I  would not trade for anything! :) +k

Hope the weatherman helps out on Saturday. In Ohio we are still looking at a dry fall day! :)

Thanks Raider68.  Indeed, if you end up having that kind of weather it will be a fantastic day for football down your way.  Probably one of the last good weather days for the rest of the season for the Ohio State/Michigan game and Mount Union playoff games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 12, 2010, 03:39:09 PM
Weird forecasts...

Holland
Saturday: A 40 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 59. Breezy, with a east southeast wind between 16 and 20 mph, with gusts as high as 29 mph.

This is Lansing

Saturday: Partly sunny, with a high near 59. East wind between 9 and 14 mph, with gusts as high as 22 mph.


at Alma

Saturday: Partly sunny, with a high near 56. East wind between 9 and 16 mph.

at Angola

Saturday: A 30 percent chance of showers after 4pm. Partly sunny, with a high near 64. Southeast wind between 5 and 10 mph.


Alma, Lansing and Angola are pretty much aligned North to South
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 12, 2010, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: sac on November 12, 2010, 03:39:09 PM
Weird forecasts...

Holland
Saturday: A 40 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 59. Breezy, with a east southeast wind between 16 and 20 mph, with gusts as high as 29 mph.

This is Lansing

Saturday: Partly sunny, with a high near 59. East wind between 9 and 14 mph, with gusts as high as 22 mph.


at Alma

Saturday: Partly sunny, with a high near 56. East wind between 9 and 16 mph.

at Angola

Saturday: A 30 percent chance of showers after 4pm. Partly sunny, with a high near 64. Southeast wind between 5 and 10 mph.


Alma, Lansing and Angola are pretty much aligned North to South

I think the weather will be great in Alma tomorrow considering what it has been in the past....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2010, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
I don't think the schedulers for Trine could have anticipated how the non conference opponents would fair this year, based on last years performance.  Bluffton did not have a good track record, but Lagrange was 9-2 last year.  Manchester had played .500 ball last year, so they weren't necessarily a cellar dweller. 

River Falls only had a 3-7 record last year, but played in a very strong conference and may have faired better with an MIAA schedule.   The benefit of playing them is the experience of playing a long distance road game (likely in a playoff situation) against a team in a tough conference who would not have any respect for Trine, based on the caliber of the other teams River Falls played. 

I think the Trine coaches might have anticipated a tougher non conference schedule this year than how it worked out.

HUGE game against Albion, who played some very good teams tight.  I think Albion is a bit under-rated and I expect this to be a close one.

.500 in the HCAC is like playing another MIAA team. If that's the high end, then honestly, that's not a challenge.

If it makes you feel better to cherry-pick one year of LaGrange football history, that's fine, but here's their preseason rank every year of their existence, according to Kickoff:

214, 227, 217, 67, 166
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2010, 09:19:10 PM
Where did I say that Manchester was high end?  ???  I think you are reading too much in to my post.

Point was that I don't think Manchester was viewed as a cellar dweller. Never claimed they were a strong opponent, but not a "terrible" one either.

Yes, I "cherry picked" the most recent season for Lagrange, being 9-2.  Didn't make me "feel better," but probably did make me feel more accurate to look at a teams more recent performance than what they did 3-4 years ago.

My whole point was that I don't think the schedulers thought the SOS was going to be as bad as it turned out to be based on past history.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2010, 09:19:10 PM
Where did I say that Manchester was high end?  ???  I think you are reading too much in to my post.

Point was that I don't think Manchester was viewed as a cellar dweller. Never claimed they were a strong opponent, but not a "terrible" one either.

Yes, I "cherry picked" the most recent season for Lagrange, being 9-2.  Didn't make me "feel better," but probably did make me feel more accurate to look at a teams more recent performance than what they did 3-4 years ago.

My whole point was that I don't think the schedulers thought the SOS was going to be as bad as it turned out to be based on past history.  

What I said was, if the high end of Manchester, the ceiling, the best you could expect, was .500 in the HCAC, you're not getting much. Instead Trine got the low end of Manchester.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 13, 2010, 04:15:16 PM
Ouch! Bad loss here in Alma, 24-13 to Adrian...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2010, 09:19:10 PM
Where did I say that Manchester was high end?  ???  I think you are reading too much in to my post.

Point was that I don't think Manchester was viewed as a cellar dweller. Never claimed they were a strong opponent, but not a "terrible" one either.

Yes, I "cherry picked" the most recent season for Lagrange, being 9-2.  Didn't make me "feel better," but probably did make me feel more accurate to look at a teams more recent performance than what they did 3-4 years ago.

My whole point was that I don't think the schedulers thought the SOS was going to be as bad as it turned out to be based on past history.  

What I said was, if the high end of Manchester, the ceiling, the best you could expect, was .500 in the HCAC, you're not getting much. Instead Trine got the low end of Manchester.


Uncle Rico is right Pat, you were ripping on Trine, your signature says let's discuss in a positive way but that's not really what you mean is it? You are back tracking after Rico called you on it. I say spot the ball, Trine will play anybody, anywhere. Trine doesn't need your approval for their schedule. They have come a long ways in a very short time and if this staff stays in place they will keep the ball rolling.

Go Thunder!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 06:56:58 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 13, 2010, 04:15:16 PM
Ouch! Bad loss here in Alma, 24-13 to Adrian...
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And you want to rip on Trine's schedule. Don't forget to watch the selection show tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on November 13, 2010, 07:06:05 PM
The Thunder have suited up and played whoever took the field against them each week this season.  Sometimes it's as impressive when a team executes well against an opponent they expect to dominate as it is when they stay tough through a close game.  What's that you say, Iowa or Utah? Say what you will about Trine's opponents but the Thunder have shown up and played hard each week.  They deserve their undefeated season, they deserve to host a playoff game or two but sometimes you don't get everything you deserve...so be it.....Bring them on....whether we play in Angola or Naperville or Springfield I don't give a flying ****.   On to Salem!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 06:55:36 PM
Uncle Rico is right Pat, you were ripping on Trine, your signature says let's discuss in a positive way but that's not really what you mean is it? You are back tracking after Rico called you on it. I say spot the ball, Trine will play anybody, anywhere. Trine doesn't need your approval for their schedule.

Go Thunder!!

Not sure that makes sense -- I could have discussed Trine's schedule in much less professional tones.

If Trine will play anybody anywhere, next time don't drive five hours past UW-Whitewater to get to UW-River Falls. I am sure UW-Whitewater would like to play D-III schools rather than having to play two NAIA schools next year.

Indeed, they do not need my approval. But isn't it interesting that the NCAA doesn't approve either? They're behind two one-loss teams in the last regional rankings.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 13, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: TrineDad on November 13, 2010, 07:06:05 PM
On to Salem!

Don't be afraid to jump the gun a little....

According to the d3football.com daily dose projected bracket, first you have to be ready to go "On to Naperville" as the projected bracket has Trine going to #5 North Central
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 13, 2010, 09:24:49 PM
First, congratulations to the Trine Thunder football team.  Regardless of SOS they went 10 - 0 which is an accomplishment no matter what.  The players have worked hard and I'm sure the coaches have worked even harder.  This program has gone from 0 - 10 the year before Coach Land arrived (2005) to 10 - 0 (2008), 9 - 1 (2009), and 10 - 0 (2010).  They just won their third undefeated MIAA Championship.  The seniors on this team have never (repeat NEVER) lost a regular season home game in their careers at Trine.  Regardless of how the world feels about the MIAA these are great accomplishments in anyone's book and these players/coaches should be congratulated by all.  They have earned it.

Going forward, we don't know who we'll be playing or where next Saturday but we will be ready to play.  This team will work hard to prove they deserve to be in the playoffs and they deserve their current ranking.  I, for one, will be there cheering them on regardless of what happens. 

GO THUNDER!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 10:07:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 06:55:36 PM
Uncle Rico is right Pat, you were ripping on Trine, your signature says let's discuss in a positive way but that's not really what you mean is it? You are back tracking after Rico called you on it. I say spot the ball, Trine will play anybody, anywhere. Trine doesn't need your approval for their schedule.

Go Thunder!!

Not sure that makes sense -- I could have discussed Trine's schedule in much less professional tones.

If Trine will play anybody anywhere, next time don't drive five hours past UW-Whitewater to get to UW-River Falls. I am sure UW-Whitewater would like to play D-III schools rather than having to play two NAIA schools next year.

Indeed, they do not need my approval. But isn't it interesting that the NCAA doesn't approve either? They're behind two one-loss teams in the last regional rankings.

Let's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.     - As long as everyone agrees with you right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 10:12:30 PM
No -- I'm pretty sure if you look at more than two or three of my thousands of posts you'll see plenty of people disagree with me. There's not a problem with that. I'm just pointing out the facts and the NCAA seems to agree with my assessment on this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 13, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
No surprize in Trine's win, but a projected tough first playoff game is unfortunate, like to see them go farther! Close game at Hope, glad they got it done, Formerd3db. How was the weather in Michigan, great in Ohio! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 10:12:30 PM
No -- I'm pretty sure if you look at more than two or three of my thousands of posts you'll see plenty of people disagree with me. There's not a problem with that. I'm just pointing out the facts and the NCAA seems to agree with my assessment on this one.

I'm pretty sure that in Rico's post he was saying that when the games were actually scheduled it probably didn't seem like such a week schedule, and you knocked him for "cherry picking" - that's all I'm saying, everyone was pretty much in agreement that the SOS is weak, my problem is your comment to Rico not the obvious point on the SOS, I don't see anywhere in the previous posts where anyone said they had a tough schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 10:41:20 PM
I don't see anywhere in the previous posts where anyone said they had a tough schedule.

Nor did I say anyone said they did.

Rico was hanging Trine's hat on two games: LaGrange has had one good season in its history -- who knows when the game was scheduled but that's all they've ever had. Manchester was 5-5 two years in a row and I'm saying that 5-5 for an HCAC team is still not good, so even at Manchester's peak, that's not a test for a team that wants to be in the Top 10, have a Gagliardi finalist and win a couple playoff games.

Rico immediately got something different in his head: "Where did I say that Manchester was high end?"

And now you are pouncing on that. But you are still misunderstanding what I actually said. Hopefully this third explanation covers it.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2010, 12:10:25 AM
I'll jump in here, if I may.  I understand what Uncle Rico was trying to say as well as what Pat was trying to get across.  I think both are right in what they intended.  As far as the NCAA and SoS, the NCAA committee has made some questionable decisions in the past IMO.  I personally have never been one to hold as much in the SoS as some people.  I think that any team that goes 10-0, regardless of what their schedule is, deserves high consideration for hosting a first round playoff game.  Some people argue against that relating that playing in a weaker conference (such as the former Illini-Badger to use one example, or, okay, we can use the current MIAA as another ;D) and going undefeated shouldn't be in such consideration.  However, even in weaker conferences, teams do not routinely go undefeated every year - I'd like to see the statistics that reveal teams doing that on a consecutive basis and/or in a high % - it just doesnt' occur, at least to my knowledge.  One can argue that teams could stack their schedules with patsies, however, again, it rarely occurs that those in such situations go 10-0 every year.  Obviously, a Central IA or NCC plays in a tough confernce and much more so that the MIAA and one loss teams in those situations are usually the obvious stronger teams and as such, they get the nod for hosting by virtue of the SoS.  Yet, I think a very legit case can be made for an undefeated team hosting regardless.  Many people will obviously disagree with me, but...that's MO. ;D

However, all that being said, the bottom line is that the NCAA committee obviously makes the decision and it doesn't matter what any of us think whatsoever period.  So the team that gets the AQ takes what they get  and tries to make the best of it.  I don't agree with many of the decsions the NCAA makes in many aspects, even beyond this selections business, however, that's just the way it is.  No one has a choice.

Anyway, thanks Raider68 (as expected, your Mount had not trouble today - so congrats on their win and season). Yes, it was nice for Hope to get the win and their seniors go out with a positive memory.  The weather was actually decent in the first half - overcast, but very comfortable in the mid-high '50's.  However, at halftime, it started raining and never quit. It would get light rain and drizzle for a few minutes, then start up heavier again - enough to make the entire second half horrible in the weather aspect.  It was getting somewhat unsafe in the 4th quarter with both team's players slipping on the natural turf, although thankfully no one got hurt from that.  Surprisingly, the turf held out fairly good and nothing like last year when it was horribly torn up with huge divots and large sod pieces causing a hazard.

Hope's defense played good today to hold out and win the game - despite scoring two TD's, the offense did not play well and Hope was lucky to win the game.  Olivet, had they taken advantage of a couple of situations, could have easily won the game.  Olivet was stopped in the red zone in the waning seconds of the first half, otherwise the score would have been tied (Olivet's starting QB suffered a concusion on that last play and was out for the second half).  Hope's defense stopped an Olivet drive late in the game down near the 20 yard line or so, essentially preserving the victory as the offense then took on a drive to burn up the remaining minutes pretty much.  Decent crowd for the Parent's Day/Senior Day at about 1800.  One consolation I mentioned to a few of our people after the game was that although Hope has now been 3-7 the last 3 years, at least that streak is not as long as Wis River Falls which has had that same record for the past 8 years I believe.  But, agiain, winning the last one is a positive for pointing to next year.  Hopefully, we can recruit some big linemen for next year too! ;)

I did feel sorry for Olivet's players and coaches - going 0-10 for the second year in a row isn't a good feeling.  So winning today for us as I said is what obviously makes somewhat of a difference in that regard.  Nonetheless, my congratulations to Trine on their 3rd consecutive MIAA title and wishing them all the best in next week's playoff game, whoever they draw.

On a final note, aside from the win and being glad for our coaching staff and the players, it was a fun day for me as I got to reminisce with 3 of my former Hope teammates, including my college roommate who made a surprise visit to the game and campus (a long drive for him). We had a great dinner visit after the game.  During the game, you can be assured that there were a lot of old stories told today among the several of us about past plays/games we were involved in that have gotten better over the years.  As one person mentioned, that old saying could be applied..."we're legends in our own minds" ;D ::) :P :o    
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 14, 2010, 08:07:02 AM
Formerd3db,

It is all about the great memories, glad you enjoyed the day and evening! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 14, 2010, 08:15:53 AM
Something I just wanted to pass along-- for the first time in the history of WLC's football program, the Warriors finish above .500, going 6-4 on the year.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on November 14, 2010, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 13, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: TrineDad on November 13, 2010, 07:06:05 PM
On to Salem!

Don't be afraid to jump the gun a little....

According to the d3football.com daily dose projected bracket, first you have to be ready to go "On to Naperville" as the projected bracket has Trine going to #5 North Central

Not jumping the gun at all.....merely stating a goal.   Would you really prefer the goal to be On to Naperville or On to Springfield, or wherever?  My point was that the Thunder have earned respect but whether they get it or not doesn't really matter as I have no doubt they will strap it up and come out to play tough whoever they draw and wherever they play.   I would rather set the goal high and take the chance of failing than set it low and succeed!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2010, 08:21:30 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2010, 09:19:10 PM
Where did I say that Manchester was high end?  ???  I think you are reading too much in to my post.

Point was that I don't think Manchester was viewed as a cellar dweller. Never claimed they were a strong opponent, but not a "terrible" one either.

Yes, I "cherry picked" the most recent season for Lagrange, being 9-2.  Didn't make me "feel better," but probably did make me feel more accurate to look at a teams more recent performance than what they did 3-4 years ago.

My whole point was that I don't think the schedulers thought the SOS was going to be as bad as it turned out to be based on past history.  

What I said was, if the high end of Manchester, the ceiling, the best you could expect, was .500 in the HCAC, you're not getting much. Instead Trine got the low end of Manchester.


Uncle Rico is right Pat, you were ripping on Trine, your signature says let's discuss in a positive way but that's not really what you mean is it? You are back tracking after Rico called you on it. I say spot the ball, Trine will play anybody, anywhere. Trine doesn't need your approval for their schedule. They have come a long ways in a very short time and if this staff stays in place they will keep the ball rolling.

Go Thunder!!

Pat also is stuck on Franklin being an 8 seed even so far as putting them the eighth in the west.  Somehow an 8-2 Wabash team gets a better road then Franklin.  BTW Franklin actually attempts to schedule decent non conference opponents.  Carthage this year, Trine the last 3-4 years, Wabash twice in the last 4 seasons, 1AA FCS teams, etc.  If you are not from the OAC, WIAC, or CCIW you dont get much love.  We shall see at 3:30

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 14, 2010, 09:33:49 AM
Quote from: TrineDad on November 14, 2010, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 13, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: TrineDad on November 13, 2010, 07:06:05 PM
On to Salem!

Don't be afraid to jump the gun a little....

According to the d3football.com daily dose projected bracket, first you have to be ready to go "On to Naperville" as the projected bracket has Trine going to #5 North Central

Not jumping the gun at all.....merely stating a goal.   Would you really prefer the goal to be On to Naperville or On to Springfield, or wherever?  My point was that the Thunder have earned respect but whether they get it or not doesn't really matter as I have no doubt they will strap it up and come out to play tough whoever they draw and wherever they play.   I would rather set the goal high and take the chance of failing than set it low and succeed!

As your name is TrineDAD, I'm sure you wouldn't nderstand this, but as a player and a coach you only look to the next game. If you're looking forward to Salem, you're gonna lose, guarantee it. You look at one game at a time, that's the approach the coaches have to take, the players have to take, and that's how you have to do it. You say set the goal high and suceed, sure, even Olivet's goal was to make the Stagg Bowl....you just need to be looking at one game at a time, and be ready for NCC or whoever you're gonna get, cuz I sure plan to be watching ESPN News today in between 2, and 2:30 for the seeding anouncements...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2010, 11:38:45 AM
Congrats to Trine on their 3rd straight MIAA Championship.

Looking at the archives, 3 in row really hasn't happened that much in the MIAA's long history.

http://miaa.org/fb/fbchamp.html

looking ahead, only Hillsdale in the 50's and Albion in the 90's have won 4 in row. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 14, 2010, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 14, 2010, 09:33:49 AM
Quote from: TrineDad on November 14, 2010, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 13, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: TrineDad on November 13, 2010, 07:06:05 PM
On to Salem!

Don't be afraid to jump the gun a little....

According to the d3football.com daily dose projected bracket, first you have to be ready to go "On to Naperville" as the projected bracket has Trine going to #5 North Central

Not jumping the gun at all.....merely stating a goal.   Would you really prefer the goal to be On to Naperville or On to Springfield, or wherever?  My point was that the Thunder have earned respect but whether they get it or not doesn't really matter as I have no doubt they will strap it up and come out to play tough whoever they draw and wherever they play.   I would rather set the goal high and take the chance of failing than set it low and succeed!

As your name is TrineDAD, I'm sure you wouldn't nderstand this, but as a player and a coach you only look to the next game. If you're looking forward to Salem, you're gonna lose, guarantee it. You look at one game at a time, that's the approach the coaches have to take, the players have to take, and that's how you have to do it. You say set the goal high and suceed, sure, even Olivet's goal was to make the Stagg Bowl....you just need to be looking at one game at a time, and be ready for NCC or whoever you're gonna get, cuz I sure plan to be watching ESPN News today in between 2, and 2:30 for the seeding anouncements...

Oops, meant between 3, and 3:30....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 14, 2010, 12:06:41 PM
BTW, newest projected bracket has Trine at Wittenberg, then UWW the 2nd round...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on November 14, 2010, 01:03:45 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 14, 2010, 09:33:49 AM
Quote from: TrineDad on November 14, 2010, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: sflzman on November 13, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: TrineDad on November 13, 2010, 07:06:05 PM
On to Salem!

Don't be afraid to jump the gun a little....

According to the d3football.com daily dose projected bracket, first you have to be ready to go "On to Naperville" as the projected bracket has Trine going to #5 North Central

Not jumping the gun at all.....merely stating a goal.   Would you really prefer the goal to be On to Naperville or On to Springfield, or wherever?  My point was that the Thunder have earned respect but whether they get it or not doesn't really matter as I have no doubt they will strap it up and come out to play tough whoever they draw and wherever they play.   I would rather set the goal high and take the chance of failing than set it low and succeed!

As your name is TrineDAD, I'm sure you wouldn't nderstand this, but as a player and a coach you only look to the next game. If you're looking forward to Salem, you're gonna lose, guarantee it. You look at one game at a time, that's the approach the coaches have to take, the players have to take, and that's how you have to do it. You say set the goal high and suceed, sure, even Olivet's goal was to make the Stagg Bowl....you just need to be looking at one game at a time, and be ready for NCC or whoever you're gonna get, cuz I sure plan to be watching ESPN News today in between 2, and 2:30 for the seeding anouncements...


Assume away, sflzman
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 14, 2010, 03:30:27 PM
Trine the 6 off to Depauw, then at Whitewater, a 2 seed
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on November 14, 2010, 03:45:38 PM
Trine got an easy first round draw with Depauw. Looking forward to seeing something new in two weeks since I'm going to assume Trine and UWW will win rather easily. Now we'll show you how an elite WIAC team plays.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2010, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 14, 2010, 03:30:27 PM
Trine the 6 off to Depauw, then at Whitewater, a 2 seed

Both Trine and DePauw played  Adrian this year.

Oct 2 at Adrian...Trine 24 Adrian 16
Oct 16 at DePauw...DePauw 23 Adrian 19
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2010, 04:32:07 PM
It astounds me that DePauw retained a #3 seed (over two undefeated teams, no less) after that shellacking Wabash put on them yesterday. :o

Go Thunder - do a Wabash on 'em! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2010, 06:11:38 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I agree with you.  Again, as I mentioned in my post last evening, that is just another example of how the NCAA committee makes some questionable decisions sometimes.  But, it is what it is.  sac reminded us of the comparison of the regular season games against Adrian and from that, it would appear that it might be a very close game next week.  Although as we all know, anything can happen.  I would assume that Trine will have a very large contingent of fans down at Blackstock Stadium next week as it isn't that far away.  In that regard, with DePauw hosting at home, I would think there may be a very large crowd.

Speaking of attendance figures this weekend, overall in many of the various DIII games across the nation, there seemed to be very good attendance ranging from 2000 at some to almost 5,000 at the Wittenberg/Wooster game, the 10,300 at the Ithaca/Cortland game, the 12,000 at Wabash/DePauw and the 8,000 at the St. Thomas game.  I think that is great.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2010, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 14, 2010, 08:15:53 AM
Something I just wanted to pass along-- for the first time in the history of WLC's football program, the Warriors finish above .500, going 6-4 on the year.  :)

WLCALUM83:
Congratulations on WLC's winning season.  That is great! Except for beating us (Hope) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2010, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 14, 2010, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 14, 2010, 08:15:53 AM
Something I just wanted to pass along-- for the first time in the history of WLC's football program, the Warriors finish above .500, going 6-4 on the year.  :)

WLCALUM83:
Congratulations on WLC's winning season.  That is great! Except for beating us (Hope) ;D

Now former, play fair!  If they had NOT beaten Hope, they would NOT have had a winning season! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 14, 2010, 07:20:10 PM
Former3 - I belive the Trine/Albion game attendance was probably close to 5000 also. I'm sure the rain holding off helped tremendously. Albion fan attendance was great. Hopefully the weather is decent next Saturday also. 12000 at DePauw/Wabash game is huge!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2010, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2010, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 14, 2010, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 14, 2010, 08:15:53 AM
Something I just wanted to pass along-- for the first time in the history of WLC's football program, the Warriors finish above .500, going 6-4 on the year.  :)

WLCALUM83:
Congratulations on WLC's winning season.  That is great! Except for beating us (Hope) ;D

Now former, play fair!  If they had NOT beaten Hope, they would NOT have had a winning season! ;D

Yes, that is true, Mr. Ypsi!  I guess I inadvertently overlooked that! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2010, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 14, 2010, 07:20:10 PM
Former3 - I belive the Trine/Albion game attendance was probably close to 5000 also. I'm sure the rain holding off helped tremendously. Albion fan attendance was great. Hopefully the weather is decent next Saturday also. 12000 at DePauw/Wabash game is huge!  

Oops!  I did not mean to overlook that either.  In fact, that is one of the games I was referring to when I mentioned the nearly 5,000.  I just forgot to type in "Trine/Albion" and I guess it is just because I am "too close" to it i.e. it being our own MIAA!  Anyway, I'm sure that was a fantastic site to see the new stadium packed at Trine, especially since it was for the league title as well as an undefeated season for Trine.  Good luck to your team this Saturday.  I really think it will be a good game and, of course, I'm rooting for Trine in representing our MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2010, 09:13:18 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 14, 2010, 08:21:30 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 13, 2010, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2010, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2010, 09:19:10 PM
Where did I say that Manchester was high end?  ???  I think you are reading too much in to my post.

Point was that I don't think Manchester was viewed as a cellar dweller. Never claimed they were a strong opponent, but not a "terrible" one either.

Yes, I "cherry picked" the most recent season for Lagrange, being 9-2.  Didn't make me "feel better," but probably did make me feel more accurate to look at a teams more recent performance than what they did 3-4 years ago.

My whole point was that I don't think the schedulers thought the SOS was going to be as bad as it turned out to be based on past history.  

What I said was, if the high end of Manchester, the ceiling, the best you could expect, was .500 in the HCAC, you're not getting much. Instead Trine got the low end of Manchester.


Uncle Rico is right Pat, you were ripping on Trine, your signature says let's discuss in a positive way but that's not really what you mean is it? You are back tracking after Rico called you on it. I say spot the ball, Trine will play anybody, anywhere. Trine doesn't need your approval for their schedule. They have come a long ways in a very short time and if this staff stays in place they will keep the ball rolling.

Go Thunder!!

Pat also is stuck on Franklin being an 8 seed even so far as putting them the eighth in the west.  Somehow an 8-2 Wabash team gets a better road then Franklin.  BTW Franklin actually attempts to schedule decent non conference opponents.  Carthage this year, Trine the last 3-4 years, Wabash twice in the last 4 seasons, 1AA FCS teams, etc.  If you are not from the OAC, WIAC, or CCIW you dont get much love.  We shall see at 3:30

GRIZ: They were a 7 in my last projection, not an 8. St. Norbert was the 8 in that mock bracket.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 15, 2010, 09:01:51 AM
A few thoughts about the hot topic in all of DIII football today. And I know it's a little long, but there is some good stuff in here - I promise  ;)

Trine falls victim to the dreaded weak SOS and gets a 6 seed, even though i think it is a good draw.  I happened to stumble across the DePauw - Wabash on TV Saturday (I was shocked to find it, and if i knew they were going to be the next opponent, I would have paid more attention  ;))  DePauw didn't look good at all, and Wabash laid out the perfect game plan to beat the Tigers.  All Trine needs to do is watch the film and take notes.

Even though this is probably the best Trine team they have had over this three year run, they have a terrible strength of schedule.  If you take out all of the MIAA in-conference games (which, of course, will result in .500 win percentage) the MIAA as a whole had a .285 winning percentage, and taking out Trine's 4-0, the rest of the conference was a combined 4-20 for a .167 winning percentage.  No matter how good Trine has looked, the football gurus will fall back on those numbers.

However, Trine is one of three teams in the whole country that are in the top ten in both scoring offense and scoring defense* (2nd and 7th respectively). The other two teams are Franklin (1st and 8th) and UW-Whitewater (6th and 4th).  And that is impressive, no matter who you have played.  *(as of week 9 stats - NCAA hasn't updated to week 10 yet)

Compared to the last two playoff appearances, they are missing that statement game to boost their season.  In 2008, they had a sos of .455 with wins over 9-1 Franklin and 8-2 Adrian earning them a 2 seed.  In 2009, they had a sos of .422 with a loss to 7-3 Franklin and a win over 6-4 Adrian earning them a 5 seed.  This year they have a sos of .408 with a win over 5-5 Adrian and 5-5 Albion.

With all that being said, I think they are better than a 6 seed.  I think the strength of schedule debate for the entire bracket lead to some head-scratchers.  But I also think Trine got a gift going to a very beatable team.  Watching the Wabash D, it reminded me a lot of the way the Trine D plays.  Should be a very very interesting game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 15, 2010, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 14, 2010, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 14, 2010, 07:20:10 PM
Former3 - I belive the Trine/Albion game attendance was probably close to 5000 also. I'm sure the rain holding off helped tremendously. Albion fan attendance was great. Hopefully the weather is decent next Saturday also. 12000 at DePauw/Wabash game is huge!   

Oops!  I did not mean to overlook that either.  In fact, that is one of the games I was referring to when I mentioned the nearly 5,000.  I just forgot to type in "Trine/Albion" and I guess it is just because I am "too close" to it i.e. it being our own MIAA!  Anyway, I'm sure that was a fantastic site to see the new stadium packed at Trine, especially since it was for the league title as well as an undefeated season for Trine.  Good luck to your team this Saturday.  I really think it will be a good game and, of course, I'm rooting for Trine in representing our MIAA.

The official attendance for the Trine-Albion game was 4,853.  Trine has topped 5,000 twice this year with 5,187 opening night vs. Manchester and 5,524 for homecoming vs. LaGrange
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 15, 2010, 09:15:56 AM
One last thing:  A big congrats to Trine safety Aaron Selking.  He had a huge game with 3 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles, and a fumble recovery.  The 3 interceptions ties a school record, and I couldn't verify it, but I am going out on a limb and saying the 6 turnovers is a school record.  If someone else can find it, I am curious if that is any kind of conference record.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: section7 on November 15, 2010, 11:35:35 AM
Good Morning all -

Attended a very entertaining and well played Zeeland East vs East Grand Rapids football game on Saturday.

Many players who I would expect over the coming years will be playing at the college level.

The most interested thing of note, however, had to do with the EGR sidelines.

I sat on the EGR side of the stadium and talked and heard from "several" supporters who are very concerned that Peter Stuursma will not be wearing the blue and gold next year, but the blue and orange.

Let's "HOPE" they are right!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2010, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 15, 2010, 09:15:56 AM
One last thing:  A big congrats to Trine safety Aaron Selking.  He had a huge game with 3 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles, and a fumble recovery.  The 3 interceptions ties a school record, and I couldn't verify it, but I am going out on a limb and saying the 6 turnovers is a school record.  If someone else can find it, I am curious if that is any kind of conference record.

Both Eric Watt and Aaron Selking were named MIAA Players of the Week....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 15, 2010, 02:24:12 PM
I've had to do a lot of catching up on my reading of all the topics/discussions/arguments going on the boards for the last couple days!  Now all is said and done though and theres nothing left to do but play football!  Yes I think that Trine deserved a home game with its recent history of success, number of returning startes, AND another 10-0 season but I can guarantee you that this Trine team is going into this game with a chip on their shoulder and ready more than ever to show the nation that it can go toe to toe with any team!  I cant wait for Saturday

But througout all of the arguments about SOS and how "horrible" the MIAA lets not forget that all of these athletes are out here working hard, playing hard, and studying hard!  I hope that nothing that as been said has hurt or degraded any of these student athletes that have put in so much of their lives to a sport they love!  Lets not forget that this is DIII football and I know for a fact that the student athletes in these MIAA programs are first and foremost great people.  I was a part of an 0-10 and a 10-0 team an to be honest...it was still football!  I loved it either way!  So congratulations to all of the MIAA student athletes on another great season of playing the sport that you love!  Your efforts and commitment are appreciated by your families, school, alumni, and the DIII community!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 15, 2010, 04:14:16 PM
A little outsider info...DePauw is certainly NOT as awful as they looked in sparkling high definition on Saturday.  What happened Saturday was the product of DPU probably not quite being ready mentally for this installment of the Monon Bell Classic and an ultra-determined Wabash team that wasn't going to let their season end on a sour note.  DPU had trouble getting going, Wabash scored early and increased the pressure...and the whole thing snowballed out of control for DPU. 

They have a senior-laden team that will probably be playing with a little more urgency this Saturday if they can shake off the epic beating they just took.  But it is possible...DPU has twice beaten a playoff-bound Wabash team in that game and Wabash twice bounced back to win their first round game. 

This quadrant of the bracket is exceptionally brutal.  If Trine was to be placed in this quadrant (and we knew that they would) and if Trine was to, quite frankly, get jammed out of a home game (they did), there probably isn't a better draw for them than to get a trip to DPU.  There aren't many road favorites in the playoffs, but I think Trine probably ought to be one of them.  Good luck down in Greendingle this weekend, fellas. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2010, 04:22:06 PM
BOYA and wally:

Class statements and quotes both of you.  +k for both (although I gave you one earllier wally on another board post, so I'll have to wait the required 24 hour time period ;))  I agree with you both - as I mentioned earlier, certainly DePauw will be no pushover, especially at home.  However, as you both stated, both teams have intense reasons for being with high adrenalin and motivation for winning and proving a point.  I think it will be a close game - unless someone gets lucky and makes a blowout early like the Monon Bell two days ago as wally mentioned.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 15, 2010, 04:26:03 PM
Quote from: section7 on November 15, 2010, 11:35:35 AM
Good Morning all -

Attended a very entertaining and well played Zeeland East vs East Grand Rapids football game on Saturday.

Many players who I would expect over the coming years will be playing at the college level.

The most interested thing of note, however, had to do with the EGR sidelines.

I sat on the EGR side of the stadium and talked and heard from "several" supporters who are very concerned that Peter Stuursma will not be wearing the blue and gold next year, but the blue and orange.

Let's "HOPE" they are right!

I have wondered if he would make the move back to his alma mater.  They certainly could use him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2010, 04:33:46 PM
BTW wally; I agree with your post over on your own board about Wabash not getting in the playoffs this year.  It is too bad, because I think Wabash would have had a good chance at advancing.  That loss at WashU really hurt.  As you said, it still was a very good season for Wabash.  Yet, as much as it was disappointing they didn't get in the NCAA playoffs this year, it still doesn't compare to the disappointment and sting when they were not given a bid back in 1982 when they were 10-0 only because Baldwin-Wallace and Augustana were ahead of them in the same region that year.  If any team deserved a bid, it was that one.  That was really tough, although the"rules of the game" were much different back then as opposed to the current selection critieria.  On the other hand, there still is some questionable decision making involved to some extent even today as has been discussed - it always isn't that "cut and dry" ;D  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 15, 2010, 04:44:59 PM
Wally,

If there is one thing that scares me it is playing a team after a tough loss let alone an embarrasing loss which in all regards sounds like what the Wabash/Depauw game was!  I wouldnt go putting Trine in the 2nd round just quite yet!  However knowing this senior group very well and getting to watch this team play, I feel like they have such a dynamic group of athletes at so many different positions that it is going to be hard for any team to key on one thing that this Trine team does.  I would not want to be a defensive coordinator going up against Trine. 

Obviously their run game looks great because of their dominating wins throughout the season which have caused them to run the ball simply to keep from running up scores, but their aeriel attack is scary.  Watt is a triple threat.  He can and will beat you with his arm, his feet, and his mind.  He has developed a ton since his freshman year and is fully intigrated and comfortable in this offense.  And with the seniors on the defense at such key positions like DE, LB and FS...this defense is going to be in the right positions at the right time to make plays! 

I am always confident in my Thunder so I expect them to be favored even with the road game.  This is a team that has shown for the last 3 years that it can win no matter where they play.  Saturday cant come soon enough for this fan!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on November 15, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
Congratulations to Trine on winning their 3rd consecutive MIAA championship in convincing fashion. It was cool to see the league race come down to the final week of the season, especially with my rooting interest involved. Sadly, the game did not live up to it's possible billing, however, the atmosphere was outstanding. Trine has a gorgeous facility down their which is both nice looking, and the space feels enclosed with the fans close to the action. Great to see a marching band too, as I think (no partiality to me actually being in a marching band, of course  ;D) that a marching band really enhances the atmosphere. It was good to see so many Albion fans making the trip as well.

Anyways, hats off to Trine, you guys are excellent, and best of luck representing our conference in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2010, 05:07:35 PM
RuleBrit:
Good comments. Also,, I couldn't agree with you more about a marching band.  It is so great to see that Albion, Alma, Trine and Adrian have marching bands.  On the other hand, it is sad that Olivet dropped their marching band program several years ago.  The "Big O" Marching band was always a delight to see and they do have a good music program at Olivet.  

In that same train of thought, many of us at Hope have wished our school would have a marching band for football also.  For years, Hope would invite area high school bands to play at home football games, which was a neat experience for the high school students,  yet also provided a treat for fans attending the game.  However, this year (after at least 4 decades I believe) that program was dropped - I guess in today's era, there are so many other opportunities for h.s. bands to participate in other events that doing so at a place like Hope is no big deal anymore.  Still, Hope not having a marching band is disappointing.  Hope has a very good music school as well.  We used to have a "Hope Pep Band" play at the football games, which was, at least something, and the next best thing to having a "real marching" band. However, alas, that "went by the wayside" a few years ago as well.  At least back in my playing days, it was always a motivation as a player to hear our fight song played by them.  I remember as a player, many times on a Thursday early afternoon about 3 hours before practice, I would be watching game film in our old (now torn down gym) film room up in the balconey - yes, I'm giving away my age here ::) ;D and always got fired up and goose bumps hearing the Hope Pep Band marching in the street outside playing our fight song.  It got me really motivated for practice and in thinking about the historicall tradition of Hope football in the old days/beginning.  That also carried over the next day for the Friday "walk through" practice and team dinner as I couldn't wait until Saturday game time- seriously.  

Anyway, I think Trine and Adrian has "got it right" by adding the marching band program for football in joiniing your own Albion and Alma, the latter two which have been the stalwarts in that category for the MIAA.  Again, I wish Hope would join in (it would be so much nicer to hear a "real" marching band play our fight song instead of that more docile version of the fight song recording by the indoor concert band played over the loudspeakers at home games ;D - no offense to those students in the Hope concert band who kindly gave of their time and talents do record that for their school and alumni :).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2010, 05:26:54 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on November 15, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
Congratulations to Trine on winning their 3rd consecutive MIAA championship in convincing fashion. It was cool to see the league race come down to the final week of the season, especially with my rooting interest involved. Sadly, the game did not live up to it's possible billing, however, the atmosphere was outstanding. Trine has a gorgeous facility down their which is both nice looking, and the space feels enclosed with the fans close to the action. Great to see a marching band too, as I think (no partiality to me actually being in a marching band, of course  ;D) that a marching band really enhances the atmosphere. It was good to see so many Albion fans making the trip as well.

Anyways, hats off to Trine, you guys are excellent, and best of luck representing our conference in the playoffs.

I was very impressed by the size of the Albion contingent, and the noise they made.  They packed the visitors stands more than any other team I have seen at Trine.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2010, 10:18:51 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 15, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
Trine will handle DePauw, not by the same Wabash score. Their reward will be the opportunity to play UWW at the Perk! Wow! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on November 15, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
As per what voice (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3741.msg1259514#msg1259514) posted, Adrian has brocken its agreement with UWW and fled from playing them again next year.

EDIT: Voice is a link if you can't see it that well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 15, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on November 15, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
As per what voice (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3741.msg1259514#msg1259514) posted, Adrian has brocken its agreement with UWW and fled from playing them again next year.

EDIT: Voice is a link if you can't see it that well.

If they don't have the class to honor a coach who put in 36 years of hard work for them, why would anyone think they would honor a contract?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 15, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
Trine will handle DePauw, not by the same Wabash score. Their reward will be the opportunity to play UWW at the Perk! Wow! :)

Did Whitewater already beat Franklin?     ;)   Whitewater fans may believe they can look past Franklin until Mt Union, but Trine should take it one at a time.  It will be a great game in Greencastle.    
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 16, 2010, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 15, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
Trine will handle DePauw, not by the same Wabash score. Their reward will be the opportunity to play UWW at the Perk! Wow! :)

Did Whitewater already beat Franklin?     ;)   Whitewater fans may believe they can look past Franklin until Mt Union, but Trine should take it one at a time.  It will be a great game in Greencastle.   

Uncle Rico,

Not sure how a team gets ready to play mentally when they lose (DePauw)
badly, then have to face a tougher team in Trine. Maybe the Home field will help them, but I think HSCoach's spread of DePauw at +7.5 is realistic. :)

It will be very difficult for Franklin at UWW, IMHO!


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2010, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 15, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
Trine will handle DePauw, not by the same Wabash score. Their reward will be the opportunity to play UWW at the Perk! Wow! :)

Which is a tremendous opportunity for Trine should they get to the second weekend.  Any team in the field that doesn't want to get their shot to knock off the best probably shouldn't be in the tournament. 

This is a point I've made a handful of times over the years...UMU and UWW have a hard time getting games in September because there is very little upside for anybody to play that game.  If you play that game against those teams and lose, you've crippled your chance to get invited to the tournament if you slip in league play.  If you win, you get to be the lead story on d3football.com for a week, but that's about it.  You don't get walnut and bronze unless you beat them in the tournament.  So, if you're going to catch lightning in a bottle and get over on either of those teams, why waste it in September?  It makes more sense to me to take your shot in the tournament. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 16, 2010, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2010, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 15, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
Trine will handle DePauw, not by the same Wabash score. Their reward will be the opportunity to play UWW at the Perk! Wow! :)

Which is a tremendous opportunity for Trine should they get to the second weekend.  Any team in the field that doesn't want to get their shot to knock off the best probably shouldn't be in the tournament. 

This is a point I've made a handful of times over the years...UMU and UWW have a hard time getting games in September because there is very little upside for anybody to play that game.  If you play that game against those teams and lose, you've crippled your chance to get invited to the tournament if you slip in league play.  If you win, you get to be the lead story on d3football.com for a week, but that's about it.  You don't get walnut and bronze unless you beat them in the tournament.  So, if you're going to catch lightning in a bottle and get over on either of those teams, why waste it in September?  It makes more sense to me to take your shot in the tournament. 

Wally,

Good points +k! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2010, 01:55:47 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 15, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
Trine will handle DePauw, not by the same Wabash score. Their reward will be the opportunity to play UWW at the Perk! Wow! :)

Did Whitewater already beat Franklin?     ;)   Whitewater fans may believe they can look past Franklin until Mt Union, but Trine should take it one at a time.  It will be a great game in Greencastle.   

To my knowledge no WHITEWATER fans will playing in Saturday's game with Franklin. ;)  As for the team and coaching staff Coach Leipold's comment  "If we don't beat Franklin, the seeding is a moot issue" pretty well sums up their focus.  Make no mistake we didn't get where we are by overlooking opponents. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 16, 2010, 02:55:13 PM
The 2010 All-Conference Teams have been announced.  Congratulations to all of the players that have been recognized!

http://www.miaa.org/fb/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 16, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
I won't say I'm happy having to go on the road to play DePauw, but knowing the coaches at Trine and the players on the team, this type of situation fits them well. The coaches and players have always prepared with a "chip" on their shoulders when it comes to these situations and have been pretty succesful. The talk about Trine playing a weak schedule and what not just gives them extra motivation.  The coaches and players work too hard to feel slighted. And I'm excited to see what happens on Saturday
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2010, 05:45:59 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 15, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on November 15, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
As per what voice (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3741.msg1259514#msg1259514) posted, Adrian has brocken its agreement with UWW and fled from playing them again next year.

EDIT: Voice is a link if you can't see it that well.

If they don't have the class to honor a coach who put in 36 years of hard work for them, why would anyone think they would honor a contract?

+k for you bleedpurple.  You couldn't have said it better and "we'll leave it where it lay" as we don't want to open that bad can of worms again. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 16, 2010, 11:59:41 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 15, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
Trine will handle DePauw, not by the same Wabash score. Their reward will be the opportunity to play UWW at the Perk! Wow! :)

Did Whitewater already beat Franklin?     ;)   Whitewater fans may believe they can look past Franklin until Mt Union, but Trine should take it one at a time.  It will be a great game in Greencastle.    

I'm overlooking Franklin because I think they suck!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 17, 2010, 12:00:28 AM
I was actually just kidding in my above post, but I always wanted to read someone say that.  ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2010, 07:47:36 AM
Congratulations to those who were chosen for the 2010 ALL-MIAA football teams.  Thanks to Uncle Rico for mentioning this.  In recent years, the coaches have chosen the teams in the early part of the week right after the last regular season game (many years ago, it used to be until the end of this week).  I was also surprised at some of the selections; not quite sure I agree with all of them.  One aspect that has always seemed to me somewhat overboard(and others have commented similarly on this same topic here and on some of the other boards) is the selection of more than 11 honorees for offense and 11 for defense.

I'm sure that some will disagree with me regarding the above by noting that in a few situations occasionally each year, the candidates are very close and, thus, should share in the honor.  However, I am of the "old school" tradition that there are only 11 spots on each side of the ball that are allowed to play the game and there should be only 11 chosen.  Also, as we all know and again have discussed in past years, someone always gets the "short end of the straw" sometimes and doesn't get selected despite probably should have been.  Yet, I don't want to detract from the honor that these players have been afforded as that is the way the current rules are and the honor is well-deserved.  So again, congratulations to this year's honorees.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 17, 2010, 03:58:20 PM
I hate that Andrew Schaar got screwed-over with the QB situation at Alma. Had he had Leister, he easily could have been a 1000 yard receiver this season...not to mention the fact that we couldn't run the ball so the opposite of the "8 in the box" teams could simply drop 8 and shut down our receivers (although I personally would bring 6 or 7 if I were DC)...

but either way, at least Schaar was featured on the 2nd team...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2010, 08:21:45 PM
Don Banks (SI.com "NFL Power Rankings") didn't seem to be impressed by the Lions/Bills game.  By losing, Detroit fell from 25th to 28th; by winning Buffalo fell from 30th to 31st! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 18, 2010, 10:49:43 AM
Like my other Trine constituents, I am very happy and proud of the players and coaching staff and wish them the best of luck this Saturday. I think they have the mental stand point, as a team, to not get discouraged about going on the road.  They can keep playing with a chip on their shoulder.  Look to see a focused and determined team in Greencastle this weekend.

Looking forward to the game, here is how they match up (at least stat wise)

                          Trine (national rank, actual) DePauw (national rank, actual)
Rushing Offense  11, 268.1                             200, 99.7
Passing Offense   39, 247.3                             18, 286.5
Total Offense       2, 515.4                               60, 386.2
Scoring Offense   2, 47.8                                 72, 29.3
Rushing Defense  32, 103.1                             77, 129.1
Passing Defense   42, 164.0                             106, 186.3
Total Defense       31, 267.1                             72, 315.4
Scoring Defense   6, 10.7                                 89, 21.8

Trine is also ranked in the top 25 in 4 additional statistical categories (of the ones here http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2010&org=30037)  including 1st in turnover margin and 2nd in passing efficiency.

DePauw is ranked 17th in sacks allowed, and not ranked an higher than 44th in any other category.

Just looking at the numbers, the key to this game may be:  Can DePauw stop the Trine rushing attack and get their offense on the field long enough to put up enough points to out score Trine?  I would look for Trine to try to grind it out and play keep away.  They can be very effective, and are at their best when the offense uses the run to set up their passing game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 18, 2010, 11:13:34 AM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 18, 2010, 10:49:43 AM
Like my other Trine constituents, I am very happy and proud of the players and coaching staff and wish them the best of luck this Saturday. I think they have the mental stand point, as a team, to not get discouraged about going on the road.  They can keep playing with a chip on their shoulder.  Look to see a focused and determined team in Greencastle this weekend.

Looking forward to the game, here is how they match up (at least stat wise)

                          Trine (national rank, actual) DePauw (national rank, actual)
Rushing Offense  11, 268.1                             200, 99.7
Passing Offense   39, 247.3                             18, 286.5
Total Offense       2, 515.4                               60, 386.2
Scoring Offense   2, 47.8                                 72, 29.3
Rushing Defense  32, 103.1                             77, 129.1
Passing Defense   42, 164.0                             106, 186.3
Total Defense       31, 267.1                             72, 315.4
Scoring Defense   6, 10.7                                 89, 21.8

Trine is also ranked in the top 25 in 4 additional statistical categories (of the ones here http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2010&org=30037)  including 1st in turnover margin and 2nd in passing efficiency.

DePauw is ranked 17th in sacks allowed, and not ranked an higher than 44th in any other category.

Just looking at the numbers, the key to this game may be:  Can DePauw stop the Trine rushing attack and get their offense on the field long enough to put up enough points to out score Trine?  I would look for Trine to try to grind it out and play keep away.  They can be very effective, and are at their best when the offense uses the run to set up their passing game.

BoredatWork56,

Thanks for the info! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 18, 2010, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 16, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
I won't say I'm happy having to go on the road to play DePauw, but knowing the coaches at Trine and the players on the team, this type of situation fits them well. The coaches and players have always prepared with a "chip" on their shoulders when it comes to these situations and have been pretty succesful. The talk about Trine playing a weak schedule and what not just gives them extra motivation.  The coaches and players work too hard to feel slighted. And I'm excited to see what happens on Saturday

Trine should take care of Depauw.  Then it will be chip against chip!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 18, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
Lol bleed. Well in that case I hope Coach Land still has the "big f'in chip" laying around from a couple years ago because they are going to need it if they make it to play UW-W.  It's bad enough Trine would have to play them in the second round, but playing the #1 team in the nation while they are in a bad mood is not good news for anyone
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 19, 2010, 08:11:40 AM
If you guys remember the Trine vs Case Western playoff game last year it was a shoot out!  After Trine's defense made them punt for the first time I knew the game was over because from there on out they pretty much kept trading scores.  Could this game be the same way?!  Depauw's offense is not nearly the calliber that Case Westers was hyped to be but I feel like if Trine's defense can come out and make one or two big stops early, then that prolific offense can put Depauw in a very deep hole very early in the game. 

Thats just my little key to victory
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2010, 08:17:51 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2010, 07:47:36 AM
Congratulations to those who were chosen for the 2010 ALL-MIAA football teams.  Thanks to Uncle Rico for mentioning this. 

formerd3db...I think you mistook LetItRain for myself.  It was LetItRain that mentioned the ALL-MIAA teams.  LetItRain is much better looking than I am.   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 19, 2010, 08:45:44 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2010, 08:17:51 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2010, 07:47:36 AM
Congratulations to those who were chosen for the 2010 ALL-MIAA football teams.  Thanks to Uncle Rico for mentioning this. 

formerd3db...I think you mistook LetItRain for myself.  It was LetItRain that mentioned the ALL-MIAA teams.  LetItRain is much better looking than I am.   :D

Aw, shucks!    ;)

Safe travels to everyone that is on their way to games this weekend.  No injuries to any players and no injuries to any fans, either.

GO THUNDER!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2010, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2010, 08:17:51 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2010, 07:47:36 AM
Congratulations to those who were chosen for the 2010 ALL-MIAA football teams.  Thanks to Uncle Rico for mentioning this.  

formerd3db...I think you mistook LetItRain for myself.  It was LetItRain that mentioned the ALL-MIAA teams.  LetItRain is much better looking than I am.   :D
Quote from: LetItRain on November 19, 2010, 08:45:44 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2010, 08:17:51 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2010, 07:47:36 AM
Congratulations to those who were chosen for the 2010 ALL-MIAA football teams.  Thanks to Uncle Rico for mentioning this.  

formerd3db...I think you mistook LetItRain for myself.  It was LetItRain that mentioned the ALL-MIAA teams.  LetItRain is much better looking than I am.   :D

Aw, shucks!    ;)

Safe travels to everyone that is on their way to games this weekend.  No injuries to any players and no injuries to any fans, either.

GO THUNDER!!

Oops! ;D  Sorry about that.  +k for you too LIR!  Good luck to you guys tomorrow.  Initially, I was hoping to make it down to the game, however, something came up now that I can't - my loss.  Regardless, I'll be rooting for your Trine.  If they win tomorrow, I am going to look at trying to make the next game.  We'll see.  Take care and, indeed, safe travel to the game tomorrow.  BTW, dress warm also. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 19, 2010, 01:24:59 PM
Good luck tomorrow to Trine College.  I know a lot of Trine faithful have felt that the school is not getting enough credit for how good they really are.  Well, from here to the dIII top 25 fan poll you're being talked about, so make some noise tomorrow and convince the rest who you are!  Again, good luck!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 19, 2010, 10:53:00 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 18, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
Lol bleed. Well in that case I hope Coach Land still has the "big f'in chip" laying around from a couple years ago because they are going to need it if they make it to play UW-W.  It's bad enough Trine would have to play them in the second round, but playing the #1 team in the nation while they are in a bad mood is not good news for anyone

They are definitely not in a good mood. It will be interesting to talk about a Trine/UW-W matchup if both teams survive tomorrow.  UW-W has Franklin, who leads the nation in scoring.  The key for UW-W will be pressure.  I think both Trine and UW-W will have similar game plans tomorrow. Pound the rock and wear down the opponent.  Good luck to the Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on November 20, 2010, 10:55:23 AM
MIAA has another rep in the playoffs in former Adrian QB Joe Davis...now OC @ Wheaton

http://athletics.wheaton.edu/staff.aspx?staff=57 (http://athletics.wheaton.edu/staff.aspx?staff=57)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2010, 12:44:54 PM
It has just been reported over on the NCAC board that 1) there is a huge crowd that showed up at DePauw for the game and 2) Trine is up 27-7 and it is still in the first quarter - wow :o :o!  Still, a long way to go in the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on November 20, 2010, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2010, 12:44:54 PM
It has just been reported over on the NCAC board that 1) there is a huge crowd that showed up at DePauw for the game and 2) Trine is up 27-7 and it is still in the first quarter - wow :o :o!  Still, a long way to go in the game.

As little respect as Trine has received this year, I for one feel they are a team to look out for.  Trine gave Wheaton all it could handle two years ago in a 14-0 game.  All Trine has done since then is to continue to improve.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2010, 02:14:37 PM
Uh, oh.  DePauw has come back and taken the lead at 28-27 as reported over on the NCAC board.  Early in the second half I believe.  Trine better keep it going.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on November 20, 2010, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2010, 02:14:37 PM
Uh, oh.  DePauw has come back and taken the lead at 28-27 as reported over on the NCAC board.  Early in the second half I believe.  Trine better keep it going.

Yeah, I come on here to pay Trine a compliment and everything goes to heck.  Blame me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2010, 03:00:54 PM
You're safe, Mugsy! ;)  I hear Trine is now up 45-35 with 3 minutes left in the game. Go MIAA! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2010, 03:05:32 PM
D3fb.com reports that Trine has defeated DePauw 45-35.  Congratulations to the Trine team and staff.  A playoff win for the MIAA - another step.  They will have a big challenge next week, and although Franklin is now losing to UWW 31-14, they took it to UWW for awhile as it was 14-14.  We'll see what happens.  But for now, Trine can celebrate tonight and tomorrow, then it is "back to work".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mugsy on November 20, 2010, 03:49:06 PM
Congrats to Trine on a big win today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
Not a bad record in predictions today by the D3fb.com staff! Essentially right on most of those; only exceptions as to a few surprises:

Pat was the only one who picked Thomas More to win
Pat was the only one to pick Bethel
Pat and keith took Wheaton
Pat and Keith took Alfred to win
Ryan picked Delaware Valley (I, too, thought Salisbury might win that one)
Ryan and Keith pick Trine
All three picked Hampton-Sydney but they lost

The rest of the picks were as expected. Not bad you guys. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 20, 2010, 07:03:52 PM
Congrats to Trine, players and coaches. Now go give UWW a heck of a game! You can do it! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on November 20, 2010, 08:46:30 PM
Looking forward to seeing Trine next week. A new team comes to the Perk. Good luck, but not too much luck.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dallas on November 20, 2010, 09:59:20 PM
Good luck Trine.  Looking forward to the game next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 20, 2010, 11:04:13 PM
Great game Thunder! You "weathered the storm" in the second half and showed a lot of mental toughness with some huge 3rd down conversions by the offense - whata catch by Nash in the 4th quarter, and made some great defensive plays to close out the game. Killingbecks interception was HUGE!

I guess the SOS didn't matter as much in this one as you thought, huh Pat?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on November 20, 2010, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
Not a bad record in predictions today by the D3fb.com staff! Essentially right on most of those; only exceptions as to a few surprises:

Pat was the only one who picked Thomas More to win
Pat was the only one to pick Bethel
Pat and keith took Wheaton
Pat and Keith took Alfred to win
Ryan picked Delaware Valley (I, too, thought Salisbury might win that one)
Ryan and Keith pick Trine
All three picked Hampton-Sydney but they lost

The rest of the picks were as expected. Not bad you guys. :)
Selection committee went 11-5 (lost three #3s, best round 1 since 2007).
d3football.com poll went 14-2 (best since 2006).
AFCA went 12-4 (best since 2007).
My computer went 15-1 (picked Wartburg, best since I "wrote" it in 2006).

In short, there simply weren't the upsets today that we've seen the last couple years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2010, 11:46:29 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 20, 2010, 11:04:13 PM
Great game Thunder! You "weathered the storm" in the second half and showed a lot of mental toughness with some huge 3rd down conversions by the offense - whata catch by Nash in the 4th quarter, and made some great defensive plays to close out the game. Killingbecks interception was HUGE!

I guess the SOS didn't matter as much in this one as you thought, huh Pat?

I don't believe I pinned my pick solely on SOS. That's the NCAA that did that, 28. In fact, I gave my reasoning in the predictions column, if you read it.

So, let's say for argument's sake that Trine loses to UWW next week. What will we have learned about Trine?

1) Trine is better than DePauw.
2) Trine is not better than UWW.

So where in that span of about 35 teams should a voter place them?

Obviously, I'm getting ahead of myself. But I'm just pointing out that for the second year in a row, Trine has beaten an unranked team in the first round of the playoffs. It just doesn't show much. In a 32-team playoff, there must be some unranked teams, and you don't necessarily garner a lot of respect by beating them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2010, 06:14:46 AM
"for the second year in a row, Trine has beaten an unranked team in the first round of the playoffs. It just doesn't show much. "

Wasn't Case Western ranked #10 last year going in to the playoffs?

The way I look at it, in a playoff setting, Trine has twice traveled to the higher seeded conference champion homes of a 9-1 team and a 10-0 team and beat them.  

I think it shows a little something.  And the fact that Trine beat an unranked opponent that some people thought would beat Trine indicates that some people have underestimated Trine perhaps a little.  Of course, those people would not admit it.    ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2010, 08:21:52 AM
Hey Uncle Rico:

What time did you get back from the game last evening (how far a drive?).  Also, how far a drive will it be to UWW for you and yours?  (I'm too lazy to "google" that right now!).  Anyway, congratulations on the win.  What did your son think about the game and the experience?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on November 21, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
I know this is a college football board, but I would like to post something about the Olivet High School football team.

The Eagles have advanced to play in the MHSAA Division V state championship game next Saturday at Ford Field. Olivet has played its four playoff games on the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2010, 09:57:23 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2010, 06:14:46 AM
"for the second year in a row, Trine has beaten an unranked team in the first round of the playoffs. It just doesn't show much. "

Wasn't Case Western ranked #10 last year going in to the playoffs?

The way I look at it, in a playoff setting, Trine has twice traveled to the higher seeded conference champion homes of a 9-1 team and a 10-0 team and beat them.  

I think it shows a little something.  And the fact that Trine beat an unranked opponent that some people thought would beat Trine indicates that some people have underestimated Trine perhaps a little.  Of course, those people would not admit it.    ;)

Bah, you're right about Case -- I got my years crossed. But beating someone you're supposed to ... it shows I was wrong (hey, I couldn't get ALL 16 games right) but it doesn't validate No. 12 as a ranking either.

Not all conference champs are created equal, Rico. There are 23 of them, for goodness sakes! (And more if you count the four-team UAA.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2010, 10:34:15 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 21, 2010, 08:21:52 AM
Hey Uncle Rico:

What time did you get back from the game last evening (how far a drive?).  Also, how far a drive will it be to UWW for you and yours?  (I'm too lazy to "google" that right now!).  Anyway, congratulations on the win.  What did your son think about the game and the experience?

It took about 5 hours to drive back from DePauw.  It always seems longer coming home than going to the game.   :)  We are estimating it to take about 7 hours to get to Whitewater.  DePauw had a very vocal crowd.  Our son was very impressed with their running back.  He said he was a tough back to bring down. 

In a sense I am glad Trine had a close one on the road.  A wake up call, a little pressure under fire.  Hopefully they learned not to let up when you get a lead.  It was a good test for them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 22, 2010, 11:05:48 AM
Pat,

I guess my thinking is that if this DePauw team was a team that Trine was SUPPOSE to beat...then why did we get a road game and why did you pick us to lose!?!  2 years ago when this Trine team had their first 10-0 season ever all you and DIII.com had to say were great things and wrote some really nice articles about us!  Now all of the sudden our consistency has made everyone all of the sudden say "oh they just have terrible SOS.  This team isnt anything special!"

Now I know your just trying to do your job and I wont be mad at you for picking UWW to win this weekend like almost everyone will.  But dont be suprised when this Trine team comes out and looks like a team worthy of national recognition and dont be suprised if come Saturday you find yourself eating your words.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
Regardless of their SOS nobody here in WARHAWKLAND is taking Trine lightly.  Well some of our fans may but I know for certain none of our players and/or staff will be.  All of our staff were noticeably missing from the celebratory get together after the Franklin game and it wasn't because they went home to rest. 

We look forward to your arrival Friday.  Have a safe trip and let's get it on Saturday noon.

If anyone from Trine has any questions about our area feel free to pm me or just post them here.  I'll be happy to clue you in if I'm able.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on November 22, 2010, 11:36:47 AM
I am new to post on the boards but have been following them for the last 4 years. It's been interesting to read the conversations between everyone each week. So, for my first post I want to Congratulate Trine for their great season and the 45-35 win in the first round.....emphasis on win and securing another week in the playoffs. As for UWW.....buckle up for the Thunder is coming to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2010, 11:57:14 AM
Welcome to the board(s), John 316.  We'll look forward to your sharing your opinions/comments in the discussions here in the future.  BTW, love your posting name. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on November 22, 2010, 12:02:06 PM
Thanks for the welcome....as far as the name I always wanted to do that at an NFL game...but thought this was the next best thing!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 22, 2010, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 21, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
I know this is a college football board, but I would like to post something about the Olivet High School football team.

The Eagles have advanced to play in the MHSAA Division V state championship game next Saturday at Ford Field. Olivet has played its four playoff games on the road.

I'm throwing my support behind the Ishpeming Hematites in Division VII, the lone U.P. representative in Detroit this weekend.  They'll be playing Hudson, who at one time or other held the record for most consecutive wins in the State of Michigan.


Mid-Michigan teams don't seem to make it to Detroit very often, what Olivet HS has done is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 22, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
Regardless of their SOS nobody here in WARHAWKLAND is taking Trine lightly.  Well some of our fans may but I know for certain none of our players and/or staff will be.  All of our staff were noticeably missing from the celebratory get together after the Franklin game and it wasn't because they went home to rest. 

We look forward to your arrival Friday.  Have a safe trip and let's get it on Saturday noon.

If anyone from Trine has any questions about our area feel free to pm me or just post them here.  I'll be happy to clue you in if I'm able.

Yea, how does one get a job in the press box rather than sitting in the cold during the game   ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 22, 2010, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 22, 2010, 12:02:06 PM
Thanks for the welcome....as far as the name I always wanted to do that at an NFL game...but thought this was the next best thing!  :)

Welcome John 316 to the MIAA board +k to you. I was adopted on this board by Formerd3db, all great posters! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on November 22, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: sac on November 22, 2010, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 21, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
I know this is a college football board, but I would like to post something about the Olivet High School football team.

The Eagles have advanced to play in the MHSAA Division V state championship game next Saturday at Ford Field. Olivet has played its four playoff games on the road.

I'm throwing my support behind the Ishpeming Hematites in Division VII, the lone U.P. representative in Detroit this weekend.  They'll be playing Hudson, who at one time or other held the record for most consecutive wins in the State of Michigan.


Mid-Michigan teams don't seem to make it to Detroit very often, what Olivet HS has done is pretty cool.

Interesting match-up in the VII for sure, Sac.  Ishpeming was the team that broke Hudson's 74 game win streak in the Class C final in 1975.  The Tigers' last previous loss was their season opener in 1968 to Blissfield.  I'd bought a cottage just north between Hudson and Addison, in 1974, and drove by their field on US 127 most every weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2010, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 22, 2010, 11:05:48 AM
Pat,

I guess my thinking is that if this DePauw team was a team that Trine was SUPPOSE to beat...then why did we get a road game

Because the NCAA doesn't care what we rank them. If you've been following Trine for more than a year or so you probably remember that the NCAA's seeding doesn't match our ranking and isn't a good indicator of how a team will perform.

Quote from: BOYA87 on November 22, 2010, 11:05:48 AM
why did you pick us to lose!?!

Pretty sure I stated this in the predictions column already but I'll boil it down: DePauw better tested, got to see its flaws up close and personal the week before, playing at home. And since I predicted a score of 21-17, I think you know that that means I thought it would be a close game, but if you didn't, I also said it out loud.

"So, hypothetically, let's say I had picked Wartburg to win by the 13-10 score I picked them to lose by. That would make it a unanimous Wartburg pick, but all close, low-scoring games. You could look at that and say, wow, they don't give us (Bethel) any chance to win. But frankly, that's bull — all of us would think Bethel is in the game and has a chance to win. Just make sure to look at the margin of victory."

Sorry to drop some facts in there and disrupt your attempt to play the "no respect" card, Boya.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2010, 03:55:06 PM
BOYA:

I don't think Pat meant any disrespect to Trine.  While I was obviously rooting for Trine as well, Pat did have a point that DePauw had more experience/more tested than Trine as far as big games like that (despite Trine winning their first playoff game last year) by virture of past years, the teams they play and, of course, the Monon Bell game, again, despite their losing that the week before to Wabash.  Trine did well and proved they didn't give in, although as you well know, for a while it could have gone the other way with the comeback that DePauw had.  Anyway, it doesn't matter because in the end, Pat picked the wrong team! ;D ;)

This week, I don't think that UWW will have any disrespect for Trine and will take them seriously.  Obviously, they wore down Franklin, but for quite a while, Franklin gave UWW all they could handle.  Still, Trine will have to have their "A" game on at all times if they want to pull the upset.  Of course, no disrespect to UWW, but...I'm rooting for Trine as our representative of the MIAA. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 22, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=179731227

Well I'm guessing a 3% chance is about as good as your gonna get from a computer. As long as Trine can keep it close for 3 1/2 quarters anything can happen
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 22, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=179731227

Well I'm guessing a 3% chance is about as good as your gonna get from a computer. As long as Trine can keep it close for 3 1/2 quarters anything can happen

Computers are only as good as the people that program them, and those programmers all graduated from Whitewater, no doubt!    :D   Spot the ball baby!  Let's eat! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 22, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 22, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: sac on November 22, 2010, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 21, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
I know this is a college football board, but I would like to post something about the Olivet High School football team.

The Eagles have advanced to play in the MHSAA Division V state championship game next Saturday at Ford Field. Olivet has played its four playoff games on the road.

I'm throwing my support behind the Ishpeming Hematites in Division VII, the lone U.P. representative in Detroit this weekend.  They'll be playing Hudson, who at one time or other held the record for most consecutive wins in the State of Michigan.


Mid-Michigan teams don't seem to make it to Detroit very often, what Olivet HS has done is pretty cool.

Interesting match-up in the VII for sure, Sac.  Ishpeming was the team that broke Hudson's 74 game win streak in the Class C final in 1975.  The Tigers' last previous loss was their season opener in 1968 to Blissfield.  I'd bought a cottage just north between Hudson and Addison, in 1974, and drove by their field on US 127 most every weekend.

That is fascinating and strange at the same time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2010, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2010, 03:17:39 PM

...since I predicted a score of 21-17, I think you know that that means I thought it would be a close game, but if you didn't, I also said it out loud.


I guess by predicting DePauw would win, but the game would be close, you were only a little wrong.   :)



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2010, 10:57:55 PM
I'm really just saying nobody can say I gave Trine no chance, though that seems to be the perennial prevailing opinion here. That's all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 22, 2010, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 22, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=179731227

Well I'm guessing a 3% chance is about as good as your gonna get from a computer. As long as Trine can keep it close for 3 1/2 quarters anything can happen

I love that on this link they have "Trine" written for the school name but the TSU logo!  better not let Dr Brooks catch a glimpse of that or there will be hell to pay! haha

and Pat, all I am saying is that leading up to the Depauw/Trine game all you had to say were reasons of why Trine didnt deserve a home game and why they wouldnt win...not a lot of positivity has come out of you about this team.  But luckily nothing that anyone says matters during the week because Saturdays always tell the truth!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2010, 11:41:58 PM
I did -- I didn't choose to share them with the message board on my hands-down busiest week of the year, but I did share them with many more people in the predictions column.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2010/surprises-disappointments-predictions
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on November 23, 2010, 01:07:52 AM
Aside from the annual opening of the Pokagon toboggan run and ice-out at Bledsoe's Beach, it's obviously Angola's busiest time as well...  ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for the site, Pat, and permitting me a smidgen of sanity among all the silk-shorted, soccer smurfs here on the Dark Continent.   ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 23, 2010, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: sac on November 22, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 22, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: sac on November 22, 2010, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 21, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
I know this is a college football board, but I would like to post something about the Olivet High School football team.

The Eagles have advanced to play in the MHSAA Division V state championship game next Saturday at Ford Field. Olivet has played its four playoff games on the road.

I'm throwing my support behind the Ishpeming Hematites in Division VII, the lone U.P. representative in Detroit this weekend.  They'll be playing Hudson, who at one time or other held the record for most consecutive wins in the State of Michigan.


Mid-Michigan teams don't seem to make it to Detroit very often, what Olivet HS has done is pretty cool.

Interesting match-up in the VII for sure, Sac.  Ishpeming was the team that broke Hudson's 74 game win streak in the Class C final in 1975.  The Tigers' last previous loss was their season opener in 1968 to Blissfield.  I'd bought a cottage just north between Hudson and Addison, in 1974, and drove by their field on US 127 most every weekend.

That is fascinating and strange at the same time.
Saugatuck is another great story.  They nearly dropped their football team a few years back, but now will face Mt. Pleasant Sacred Heart for the title in Division 8.  In the last 3 years, coach Bill Dunn has lead the Indians to more wins (26) than they had in the previous 10 years (22).  Quite the turnaround!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 23, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 23, 2010, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: sac on November 22, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on November 22, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: sac on November 22, 2010, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 21, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
I know this is a college football board, but I would like to post something about the Olivet High School football team.

The Eagles have advanced to play in the MHSAA Division V state championship game next Saturday at Ford Field. Olivet has played its four playoff games on the road.

I'm throwing my support behind the Ishpeming Hematites in Division VII, the lone U.P. representative in Detroit this weekend.  They'll be playing Hudson, who at one time or other held the record for most consecutive wins in the State of Michigan.


Mid-Michigan teams don't seem to make it to Detroit very often, what Olivet HS has done is pretty cool.

Interesting match-up in the VII for sure, Sac.  Ishpeming was the team that broke Hudson's 74 game win streak in the Class C final in 1975.  The Tigers' last previous loss was their season opener in 1968 to Blissfield.  I'd bought a cottage just north between Hudson and Addison, in 1974, and drove by their field on US 127 most every weekend.

That is fascinating and strange at the same time.
Saugatuck is another great story.  They nearly dropped their football team a few years back, but now will face Mt. Pleasant Sacred Heart for the title in Division 8.  In the last 3 years, coach Bill Dunn has lead the Indians to more wins (26) than they had in the previous 10 years (22).  Quite the turnaround!!

Flying Dutch Fan,

Welcome back! +k  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 23, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 23, 2010, 10:15:49 AM

Saugatuck is another great story.  They nearly dropped their football team a few years back, but now will face Mt. Pleasant Sacred Heart for the title in Division 8.  In the last 3 years, coach Bill Dunn has lead the Indians to more wins (26) than they had in the previous 10 years (22).  Quite the turnaround!!

I remember that.  Didn't they combine with Holland Christian while the Maroons got their program up and running?

Both have now played in a state championship game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 23, 2010, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: sac on November 23, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 23, 2010, 10:15:49 AM

Saugatuck is another great story.  They nearly dropped their football team a few years back, but now will face Mt. Pleasant Sacred Heart for the title in Division 8.  In the last 3 years, coach Bill Dunn has lead the Indians to more wins (26) than they had in the previous 10 years (22).  Quite the turnaround!!

I remember that.  Didn't they combine with Holland Christian while the Maroons got their program up and running?

Both have now played in a state championship game.

Good memory there sac!  They did indeed have a combined team for 2 years (I think). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 23, 2010, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on November 22, 2010, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 22, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=179731227

Well I'm guessing a 3% chance is about as good as your gonna get from a computer. As long as Trine can keep it close for 3 1/2 quarters anything can happen

I love that on this link they have "Trine" written for the school name but the TSU logo!  better not let Dr Brooks catch a glimpse of that or there will be hell to pay! haha

and Pat, all I am saying is that leading up to the Depauw/Trine game all you had to say were reasons of why Trine didnt deserve a home game and why they wouldnt win...not a lot of positivity has come out of you about this team.  But luckily nothing that anyone says matters during the week because Saturdays always tell the truth!

It's very true that anyone who can keep it close for 3 1/2 quarters has a chance against anyone!  The hard part against UW-W will be keeping it close for that long.  Keeping it close for a half is one thing. 3 1/2 quarters is a different animal.  As well as Franklin played, they couldn't do it. The score was 45-21 at that point.

Of course, I'm sure the story is the same or even more impressive for Trine. Which gets me to the second point:

"..Saturdays always tell the truth."  I love that and I'm going to steal it!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 23, 2010, 09:20:33 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 22, 2010, 11:36:47 AM
I am new to post on the boards but have been following them for the last 4 years. It's been interesting to read the conversations between everyone each week. So, for my first post I want to Congratulate Trine for their great season and the 45-35 win in the first round.....emphasis on win and securing another week in the playoffs. As for UWW.....buckle up for the Thunder is coming to Wisconsin.

Welcome to the Board John316. 

Thanks for the warning. We will all buckle up and brace for the mighty Thunder.  And when the game is over, you can always draw comfort that the game was just one of those "things" in Romans 8:28.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2010, 09:23:26 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 23, 2010, 09:20:33 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 22, 2010, 11:36:47 AM
I am new to post on the boards but have been following them for the last 4 years. It's been interesting to read the conversations between everyone each week. So, for my first post I want to Congratulate Trine for their great season and the 45-35 win in the first round.....emphasis on win and securing another week in the playoffs. As for UWW.....buckle up for the Thunder is coming to Wisconsin.

Welcome to the Board John316. 

Thanks for the warning. We will all buckle up and brace for the mighty Thunder.  And when the game is over, you can always draw comfort that the game was just one of those "things" in Romans 8:28.  ;)

I would give you a +K for that if I knew how.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 23, 2010, 09:52:48 PM
Uncle Rico- 200 posts gives you magical Karma powers. Patience grasshopper......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 23, 2010, 11:52:18 PM
Quote from: USee on November 23, 2010, 09:52:48 PM
Uncle Rico- 200 posts gives you magical Karma powers. Patience grasshopper......

More sage advice from Master Po... ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2010, 01:13:31 AM
Congrats to the MIAA's Gagliardi Trophy finalist. Fans, don't forget to go out and vote.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2010/11/gagliardi-trophy-finalists
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on November 24, 2010, 08:04:37 AM
Pat beat me to it, I was sound asleep at 1:30 this morning.  But a giant congratulations to Eric Watt for being named a finalist for the Gagliardi Trophy.  He has definitley earned this honor with his performance this year.

I had the pleasure of playing with him for two years and knew from the start that he was going to be a phenomenal quarterback, when in his first game of significant playing time, he came in at halftime against Defiance in 2007 and lead a second half comeback including a game winning drive in the final two minutes.  I know some other posters on here (including one who had a huge 4th down reception on that drive) remember that game well, and had similar thoughts about our quarterback.

I don't want to get in between this Pat Coleman vs Trine argument, but all I have to say is that if Trine can give UWW a close game, win or lose, it will be a major victory for the program. There are only a handful of teams in the country that can hang with the top level programs and if Trine can put themselves in that category, I would say a job well done by this team and coaching staff.

I wish both teams the best of luck on Saturday (well, just a little more luck for Trine) and I hope the Trine players enjoy playing in front of a crowd that will be twice as big as anything they have ever played in front of before. And like Diezel said... if you play someone close for 3 1/2 quarters, anything can happen! Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on November 24, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Boredatwork...you beat me to it.....My Congrats goes out to Eric Watt for making the top 10 for the Gagliardi Trophy! He most definitely deserves to be in this group.

Just a thought......I have never seen purple blood before......can't wait for the comfort on Saturday.   ;)


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 24, 2010, 11:47:33 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to all MIAA Posters, may your trips be safe and your gatherings warm and cheerful! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on November 24, 2010, 03:13:56 PM
Dittos on the Happy Thanksgiving wishes to everyone.  The same is true for the congratulations to Eric Watt.  What a pleasure it has been to watch that young man grow as a leader and athlete.  I can't wait for Saturday.  I don't care about the whole respect issue...I guess you eventually get the respect you deserve.....If the Thunder can pull off the upset Saturday there's no question about the respect they'll receive.  I think this game represents an incredible opportunity for my son and his teammates.  If you want to be the best you need to beat the best...so let's have at it and see where we really stand - no fear - all out!  I really want a win though for really selfish reasons......I don't want this ride to end....so go get 'em Thunder.  This is one proud Dad who wouldn't miss it for the world!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2010, 08:19:39 PM
Nice article about Trine on the D3 football site.

http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2010/where-trine-wants-to-be

"There are no moral victories," Land said. "Whoever made up that cliché lost the game."



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 25, 2010, 06:20:38 AM
And that is the reason why we wanted Coach Land to be our head coach. That is the attitude that the coaches had from the beginning and has instilled that into every player that has stuck with the program. As Uncle Rico said, "Spot The Ball!"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2010, 10:12:39 AM
As much as we all love this college game, some pretty poignant and wonderful stories on the main page here of d3fb.com to remind us that "it is more than just a game".  That puts it in perspective for me.  Thanks to the d3fb.com staff for those great articles (re: Macalister, Cortland State, Marietta's coach).  I wish everyone here a blessed and wonderful Thanksgiving Day and weekend.  As Raider68 mentioned, safe travels to those of you who are visiting friends or relatives and, of course, those of you who are traveling to the next DIII playoff game, wherever/whoever that is (or any other game for that matter).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 25, 2010, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on November 24, 2010, 08:04:37 AM
I know some other posters on here (including one who had a huge 4th down reception on that drive) remember that game well, and had similar thoughts about our quarterback.

but all I have to say is that if Trine can give UWW a close game, win or lose, it will be a major victory for the program.

Ya I think I remember that Defiance game that you were talking about back in 07...the programs first win in almost 2 years.  A freshman QB leading a game winning drive!?  Definitely set Watt up for the career he is having now!  But I dont remember what receiver made that 4th down catch...must have been a nobody.

But as far as keeping it close and getting a moral victory I dont want any part of that.  Just like Coach Land said in that article posted by UncleRico.  "There are no moral victories here.  Whoever made up that cliche lost the game!"  I love that quote!  gave me chills!

Everyone have a safe holiday and enjoy your time with family!  I will be going to bed early tonight as my retail schedule will require me working from 4am - 4 pm on friday!

Happy Thanksgiving
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 25, 2010, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 24, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Boredatwork...you beat me to it.....My Congrats goes out to Eric Watt for making the top 10 for the Gagliardi Trophy! He most definitely deserves to be in this group.

Just a thought......I have never seen purple blood before......can't wait for the comfort on Saturday.   ;)

If you get your way, you'll see purple tears!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2010, 08:21:05 AM
Posted in the WIAC forum...

"No offense, but teams the quality of Whitewater don't lose to teams like Franklin or Trine."

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2010, 08:21:05 AM
Posted in the WIAC forum...

"No offense, but teams the quality of Whitewater don't lose to teams like Franklin or Trine."



That person obviously has forgotten the old quote..."on any given Saturday..." ;D  One never knows! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2010, 08:21:05 AM
Posted in the WIAC forum...

"No offense, but teams the quality of Whitewater don't lose to teams like Franklin or Trine."

Yes posted in the WIAC forum...BUT let's be totally honest here Uncle Rico...comment made by a non-WIAC fan, non-Whitewater poster....   ::)

...the rest of the story needed to be told to protect the innocent...  ;)

Sincerely,

Paul Harvey
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2010, 08:21:05 AM
Posted in the WIAC forum...

"No offense, but teams the quality of Whitewater don't lose to teams like Franklin or Trine."

Yes posted in the WIAC forum...BUT let's be totally honest here Uncle Rico...comment made by a non-WIAC fan, non-Whitewater poster....   ::)

...the rest of the story needed to be told to protect the innocent...  ;)

Sincerely,

Paul Harvey

Bobo, yes, you are absolutely right - it is important (and necessary) to "get the rest of the story" in all cases (can we throw in another old quote here..."the facts, just the facts mame/sir.." ;D). But also, the other quote I posted still applies regardless of what school the "original" poster is from! ;D :D  

Signed:
The Man from Dragnet ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 10:35:32 AM
^ That's Sergeant Joe Friday (Jack Webb)  - however, there was the "Man from U.N.C.L.E." otherwise known as Napoleon Solo (Robert Vaughn).   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 26, 2010, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 10:35:32 AM
^ That's Sergeant Joe Friday (Jack Webb)  - however, there was the "Man from U.N.C.L.E." otherwise known as Napoleon Solo (Robert Vaughn).   ;)

BoBo,

Hope you are safe over there, in view of all the tension these days! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
Bobo:

Thanks for the reminder!  I had a "senior moment" when I typed the post (you know, when your mind goes blank at times in the middle of a thought or conversation) and I couldn't remember the name, only the show! ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 10:35:32 AM
^ That's Sergeant Joe Friday (Jack Webb)  - however, there was the "Man from U.N.C.L.E." otherwise known as Napoleon Solo (Robert Vaughn).   ;)
I know all these references, loved the, "Man from U.N.C.L.E."   Don't forget llya Kuryakin (David McCallum)   Geez, I feel really old.........
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
Bobo:

Thanks for the reminder!  I had a "senior moment" when I typed the post (you know, when your mind goes blank at times in the middle of a thought or conversation) and I couldn't remember the name, only the show! ;D 

I have NOOOOOOOO idea what you are talking about..........................  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 26, 2010, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
Bobo:

Thanks for the reminder!  I had a "senior moment" when I typed the post (you know, when your mind goes blank at times in the middle of a thought or conversation) and I couldn't remember the name, only the show! ;D 

I have NOOOOOOOO idea what you are talking about..........................  ;D

How about " Peter Gunn", starring Craig Stevens, circa, 1958-61! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 10:35:32 AM
^ That's Sergeant Joe Friday (Jack Webb)  - however, there was the "Man from U.N.C.L.E." otherwise known as Napoleon Solo (Robert Vaughn).   ;)
I know all these references, loved the, "Man from U.N.C.L.E."   Don't forget llya Kuryakin (David McCallum)   Geez, I feel really old.........

Isn't he on some show currently? Can't think of it at the moment - you know "a senior moment!!"  He really looks old.

"there once was a man from Nantucket..."

fbf413 - did you know that Robert Vaughn has a PhD in communication from USC or UCLA? It's true. You can be a spy and a great communicator at the same time. What a man!!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 11:11:42 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 26, 2010, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
Bobo:

Thanks for the reminder!  I had a "senior moment" when I typed the post (you know, when your mind goes blank at times in the middle of a thought or conversation) and I couldn't remember the name, only the show! ;D  

I have NOOOOOOOO idea what you are talking about..........................  ;D

How about " Peter Gunn", starring Craig Stevens, circa, 1958-61! ;D

OK, anyone who gets this one is really old..........I was born in 58!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 11:11:42 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 26, 2010, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
Bobo:

Thanks for the reminder!  I had a "senior moment" when I typed the post (you know, when your mind goes blank at times in the middle of a thought or conversation) and I couldn't remember the name, only the show! ;D  

I have NOOOOOOOO idea what you are talking about..........................  ;D

How about " Peter Gunn", starring Craig Stevens, circa, 1958-61! ;D

OK, anyone who gets this one is really old..........I was born in 58!  ;)

How 'bout "Martin Kane, Private Eye" from the early 50's, starring William Gargan, later Lloyd Nolan and Lee Tracy. Remember that one and you're officially as old as dirt!!  ;)  This started on radio, btw, than moved to tv.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 26, 2010, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 10:35:32 AM
^ That's Sergeant Joe Friday (Jack Webb)  - however, there was the "Man from U.N.C.L.E." otherwise known as Napoleon Solo (Robert Vaughn).   ;)

BoBo,

Hope you are safe over there, in view of all the tension these days! :)

So far so good...let's see what this weekend brings...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2010, 11:20:55 AM
United Network Command for Law Enforcement

and of course no mention of UNCLE is complete without mentioning their arch enemy THRUSH.
Technological Heirarchy for the Removal of Undesireables and the Subjugation of Humanity
who believed in the two party system...masters and slaves.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 26, 2010, 11:23:45 AM
^ I could never remember Subjugation in that acronym!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 11:43:43 AM
Okay, Bobo, Raider68, footballfn413, and badgerwk!  +k for all of you, but you guys are making me feel really old now ;D!  

Any prediction for some of tomorrow's DIII playoff games?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 26, 2010, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 11:43:43 AM
Okay, Bobo, Raider68, footballfn413, and badgerwk!  +k for all of you, but you guys are making me feel really old now ;D!  

Any prediction for some of tomorrow's DIII playoff games?

Aww, c'mon. For the first time in a long time I was feeling YOUNG! Predictions you ask?

www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 01:00:50 PM
bp:

Okay, we'll let you feel younger for a while longer!  However, just remember that "time marches on" and that someday you'll be like the rest of us former DIII players still trying to participate in the fun here! :)

Anyway, thanks for the link to the predictions.  IMO, I think that most of those are pretty close to being what will happen, although I think Ohio Northern will win.  Also, I could see 2-3 of the other games going the other way if certain teams continue playing their "A" games i.e. Wheaton, Montclair State, maybe even St. Thomas.  While you and your UWW brethren obviously feel that your team will eventually overwhelm Trine, being from our MIAA, I have to root for Trine in going for the upset. ;D  Such has happened on occasion in the past at all NCAA levels.  But, of course, we'll see what goes.  

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 01:00:50 PM
bp:

Okay, we'll let you feel younger for a while longer!  However, just remember that "time marches on" and that someday you'll be like the rest of us former DIII players still trying to participate in the fun here! :)

Anyway, thanks for the link to the predictions.  IMO, I think that most of those are pretty close to being what will happen, although I think Ohio Northern will win.  Also, I could see 2-3 of the other games going the other way if certain teams continue playing their "A" games i.e. Wheaton, Montclair State, maybe even St. Thomas.  While you and your UWW brethren obviously feel that your team will eventually overwhelm Trine, being from our MIAA, I have to root for Trine in going for the upset. ;D  Such has happened on occasion in the past at all NCAA levels.  But, of course, we'll see what goes.  
Please, please, please.........be right about the first one!  

But the second one, I understand is out of loyalty.................... ;) :D ;D  

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 01:21:11 PM
Thanks for your understanding, footballfan413!! :) ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 26, 2010, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on November 26, 2010, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2010, 01:00:50 PM
bp:

Okay, we'll let you feel younger for a while longer!  However, just remember that "time marches on" and that someday you'll be like the rest of us former DIII players still trying to participate in the fun here! :)

Anyway, thanks for the link to the predictions.  IMO, I think that most of those are pretty close to being what will happen, although I think Ohio Northern will win.  Also, I could see 2-3 of the other games going the other way if certain teams continue playing their "A" games i.e. Wheaton, Montclair State, maybe even St. Thomas.  While you and your UWW brethren obviously feel that your team will eventually overwhelm Trine, being from our MIAA, I have to root for Trine in going for the upset. ;D  Such has happened on occasion in the past at all NCAA levels.  But, of course, we'll see what goes.  
Please, please, please.........be right about the first one!  

But the second one, I understand is out of loyalty.................... ;) :D ;D  

I'm with my sister 413 on this one.  I will be pulling for YOUR prediction tomorrow on the ONU/NCC game.  It seems WAY TOO early to be playing the last football game at the Perk for  the year.  And I understand your loyalty prediction, too.  While those "any given Saturdays" are scary, they are also what help make football fun and helps ALL fans enjoy and appreciate when their team comes out on top!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 12:41:55 AM
I was watching the Oregon/Arizona game this evening.  Obviously, Oregon is a very, very good team worthy of its #1 rating so far, although Arizona did put up a good fight and hung with Oregon for quite some time until mid-late 3rd quarter.  Arizona is a good team also, yet they have lost 3 in a row now.  I was impressed with their QB - 6'4" and 245, a great arm and very agile despite playing with a recently subluxed/dislocated kneecap about 3 weeks ago.

However, in watching the game, the officiating, IMO, was very poor and it was very obvious that the officials favored Oregon.  I'm not sure I've seen such blatant favoritism in quite some time.  Some very poor and incorrect calls on several occasions against Arizona - I am not saying this cost them the game at all, rather just mentioning that it was so disappointing to see that happen.  In addition, while I agree with and appreciate officials now trying to interpret the new rules about safety/prohibiting "head hits", it is clear they are being overzealous on many occasions in that regard.  Some may argue that is good i.e. erring on the side of safety, to which I would agree, however, commen sense should prevail and at least a couple of those calls I'm talking about this evening were so blatantly wrong and misinterpreted, it was pathetic.  While Stoops (Arizona's Stoops ;)) is not one of my favorite coaches (and that's just my own personal opinion), I don't blame him for being extremely upset and verbalizing that to the offciating crew. I just hope for his sake and his players/school, he doesn't violate the league rule and publically make a statement about this evening's performance by that officiating crew (although I wouldn''t blame him either if he slipped and did so ;D ::)).  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 01:01:25 PM
Other scores:

Ohio State 10 Michigan 0 2nd Qtr. early
Michigan State 14 Penn State 3 2nd Qtr.
Northwestern @ Wisconsin 3:30 PM
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 01:54:28 PM
Update:
Ohio State 24 Michigan 7 Halftime (Michigan stops Ohio State at 1 yrd line with 7 seconds left with an INT, otherwise it could be worse).
Michigan State 14 Penn State 3 Halftime

No word/update on DIII scores the other than what has been listed on front page d3fb.com (except NCC 7 ONU 3).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 01:55:38 PM
Correction:

Wow!  UWW 24 Trine 17 so far!  Go Trine/Go MIAA!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 02:27:46 PM
UWW 31 Trine 24 Halftime.  Wow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 03:17:26 PM
Update:
Heading to 4th Qtr. UWW 31 Trine 31.

Ohio State crushing Michigan 37-7 and Michigan State in command of Penn State 28-10.  NCC holding down Wheaton 21-3 - somewhat surprising, although not to some of the CCIW people, especially North Central.  Mount Union wins handily as does Wesley and MHB, Alfred ends Cortland State's season.

I'm hoping the UWW/Trine game goes down to the wire - with the latter, of course, coming on top. ;D  Wouldn't it be nice for that to happen for just once? ??? ::) ;D ;) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 03:55:48 PM
Final: UWW 45 Trine 31.

Congrats to UWW, but also congrats to Trine coaching staff and players for a great, great season. Very few people (except your own followers and some of your MIAA brethren, of course:) thought you would give UWW a close game like you did.  Thanks for representing our MIAA well. Maybe our league is not quite as bad as some people think. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 27, 2010, 04:24:26 PM
Congrats to Trine and the staff on a fine year! You represented the MIAA very well and gave UWW all they could handle today! :)

The program IMHO has raised the bar for next year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2010, 04:43:39 PM
Congratulations, Trine.

Great game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: usee on November 27, 2010, 05:11:40 PM
Trine played a game I expected them to play. Having seen them play in 2008 I was very aware of their capabilities. I think they made a great showing in Whitewater going toe to toe with the big dogs well into the 4th quarter. A great season and Trine will stay in my top 10 at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 27, 2010, 06:04:04 PM
Really good game by Trine. They spread the field nicely and had the Warhawks defense on their heels much of the 1st half. The second half was a different story and Trine could only get on the board with 1 TD. They played hard and played to win. It was an exciting game to watch - don't see too many of those at the Perk. Congrats on a fine season. Your QB is very good and deserving the attention he is getting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2010, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 03:55:48 PM
Final: UWW 45 Trine 31.

Congrats to UWW, but also congrats to Trine coaching staff and players for a great, great season. Very few people (except your own followers and some of your MIAA brethren, of course:) thought you would give UWW a close game like you did.  Thanks for representing our MIAA well. Maybe our league is not quite as bad as some people think. :D

Trine proved THEY are very, very good.  But only Adrian (who was a victim of Trine by less than anyone else they beat) can perhaps claim 'credit' based on Trine going toe-to-toe with the defending national champs.  Hope lost by 'only' 3 TDs; everyone else was totally blown out.

Alas, the MIAA gains no credit for Trine's great performance until they can give Trine a game. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Yeah, I know that Mr. Ypsi! ;)  Although, Hope hung "close" with Trine for the first half.  BTW, in bringing up an old subject, I did see where Eastern Michigan had close to 21,000 in attendance for the Central Michigan game this year (however, were the majority of those fans Central Michigan supporters? ??? ::) ;)).  Probably the largest crowd EMU played against this year.  Speaking of that as well, Temple did pretty well in the MAC this year and drew fairly well at home I saw.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2010, 10:53:51 PM
Trine was very good and frankly could have beaten any other team in the WIAC.  Watt is a very talented qb.  He gave our defense all they could handle and then some.  It easy to see why he was the top rated qb in DIII.  Congrats on a great season and best of luck in the future. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on November 28, 2010, 01:26:50 AM
A great game today Trine, your offense is especially impressive.  You played as your coach said "there are no moral victories".  Having seen both the Franklin and Trine games at UWW, I was most impressed with Eric Watt for the best QB.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 28, 2010, 10:50:22 AM
Hope the MIAA faithful keep posting through the off-season and look forward to 2011. Trine raised the bar this year not only for them but the MIAA in general! :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2010, 03:05:33 PM
Thanks Raider68.  I'm sure I speak for our other MIAA posters here that we've also appreciated your participation on ou r board.  So don't be a stranger here either during the "off-season".  However, it is obviously not "off-season for you yet because your Mount Union is still going. :)  So good luck to your alma mater.  We'll be following that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 28, 2010, 03:34:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 28, 2010, 03:05:33 PM
Thanks Raider68.  I'm sure I speak for our other MIAA posters here that we've also appreciated your participation on ou r board.  So don't be a stranger here either during the "off-season".  However, it is obviously not "off-season for you yet because your Mount Union is still going. :)  So good luck to your alma mater.  We'll be following that.

Formerd3db,

Thanks for that! The Buckeyes handled Michigan again, but maybe you will get your wish!

Here is a question: In your opinion which 4 teams will win the quarter finals:

UWW
Mount Union
Wesley
Mary Hardin Baylor
St. Thomas
North Central
Bethel
Alfred

The North and South Brackets have the overall strongest teams, so something has to give, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
Raider68:

I'm probably wrong, but I'm going with Mount Union, North Central, Wesley and St. Thomas! ::) ;D  Who are your picks? ???

P.S. Yes, after that shellshacking yesterday, it will be interesting to see if Rodriquez gets the axe.  I think he will be allowed to coach in whatever bowl game Michigan gets to, but if they lose in that one, especially if it is a bad loss, I would be disappointed if they didn't let him go.  BTW, Brian Kelly lucked out last night when ND beat USC.  While I am not a fan of the former, I don't like USC's new coach either.  Also, ND's freshman QB's dad is a full-time assistant coach at Northwestern (my 2nd most favorite Big Ten team ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on November 28, 2010, 07:06:38 PM
Congrats on a great game and season, Tine! Your team was impressive but formerd3db, your picks are not............... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2010, 07:41:07 PM
footballfan413:

I know...I figured you (and your colleagues) wouldn't like a certain one especially! ;D  Most likely, your UWW will play a strong game.  As defending champs, and being such a great team as they are, they'll have the edge.  So NCC will have to bring their "A" game and maintain it all the way if they want the chance at an upset. ;)  Nonetheless, good luck to your team and for this weekend, may the best teams win, but I hope the players have fun doing and savor the eventual lifetime memories of just being in the playoffs regardless of the outcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 29, 2010, 03:25:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 28, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
Raider68:

I'm probably wrong, but I'm going with Mount Union, North Central, Wesley and St. Thomas! ::) ;D  Who are your picks? ???

P.S. Yes, after that shellshacking yesterday, it will be interesting to see if Rodriquez gets the axe.  I think he will be allowed to coach in whatever bowl game Michigan gets to, but if they lose in that one, especially if it is a bad loss, I would be disappointed if they didn't let him go.  BTW, Brian Kelly lucked out last night when ND beat USC.  While I am not a fan of the former, I don't like USC's new coach either.  Also, ND's freshman QB's dad is a full-time assistant coach at Northwestern (my 2nd most favorite Big Ten team ;D).

So Northwestern is your second favorite team, what about MSU or even OSU ;D. If Michigan plays a good team and loses, then the party is over for Rich Rod. The question is, can U of M get Jim Harbaugh? or would he leave Stanford , Yes! Michigan's administration has to suck it up and say they made a mistake and bring in a Michigan alum, IMHO! :)


My top four in the quarterfinals are:

Mount Union
UWW ( in a close one)
MHB (in a close one)
Bethel (in an even closer one)

The Raider game will not be that close!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 29, 2010, 06:05:13 PM
Raider68:

Yeah, I've always liked Northwestern for a variety of reasons, especially since they showed everyone they can be competitive and belong in the Big Ten after all those years of some people trying to (or at least wanting to) kick them out.  They did things the right way and their current coach is a good one (sorry about that you OSU fans, although you know I'm a U of Michigan guy because of my father being an alum.  However, in all honesty, I did like Wayne Woody Hayes! :D  i.e. all the great Bo & Woody stories).

Not sure if Michigan can get Harbaugh, but, I hope they do eventually.  I agree with you and I think the U of M administration is crazy if they don't.

Anyway, I think your picks are decent - obviously a little different than mine, but we'll see what goes Saturday! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 29, 2010, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 29, 2010, 03:25:10 PM



So Northwestern is your second favorite team, what about MSU or even OSU ;D. If Michigan plays a good team and loses, then the party is over for Rich Rod. The question is, can U of M get Jim Harbaugh? or would he leave Stanford , Yes! Michigan's administration has to suck it up and say they made a mistake and bring in a Michigan alum, IMHO! :)


Ugh, I'll never understand this line of thinking.

Michigan's 3 best coaches...

Yost -- West Virginia
Crisler -- Univ of Chicago
Schembechler -- Ohio State

Neither Moeller or Carr were UM grads, the last UM grad to coach Michigan was Bump Elliot and that was during the 50's and 60's in Michigan's decidedly least successful time period until the last 3 season's.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on November 29, 2010, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 25, 2010, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 24, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Boredatwork...you beat me to it.....My Congrats goes out to Eric Watt for making the top 10 for the Gagliardi Trophy! He most definitely deserves to be in this group.

Just a thought......I have never seen purple blood before......can't wait for the comfort on Saturday.   ;)
I didn't see any purple blood or tears for that matter.....but I did see one heck of a football game. Congrats to Trine for putting on a performance for all the Division III world to see. Hats off to the coaching staff and all the seniors for a putting in their time for the past four years. Take in all in and take it with you as you finish out your senior year at Trine University. It was a great "comfort" knowing that these seniors became the young men they are today through the game of football......



If you get your way, you'll see purple tears!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 29, 2010, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 29, 2010, 09:57:34 PM
I didn't see any purple blood or tears for that matter.....but I did see one heck of a football game. Congrats to Trine for putting on a performance for all the Division III world to see. Hats off to the coaching staff and all the seniors for a putting in their time for the past four years. Take in all in and take it with you as you finish out your senior year at Trine University. It was a great "comfort" knowing that these seniors became the young men they are today through the game of football......

It was a great football game. Congratulations to Trine's players and coaches.  They played REALLY WELL!  UW-W is getting pounded on these message boards because Trine did so well.  I happen to believe Trine is far better than anyone realizes. UW-W will do our best to hammer NCC to send the message for you!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 29, 2010, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: sac on November 29, 2010, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 29, 2010, 03:25:10 PM



So Northwestern is your second favorite team, what about MSU or even OSU ;D. If Michigan plays a good team and loses, then the party is over for Rich Rod. The question is, can U of M get Jim Harbaugh? or would he leave Stanford , Yes! Michigan's administration has to suck it up and say they made a mistake and bring in a Michigan alum, IMHO! :)


Ugh, I'll never understand this line of thinking.

Michigan's 3 best coaches...

Yost -- West Virginia
Crisler -- Univ of Chicago
Schembechler -- Ohio State

Neither Moeller or Carr were UM grads, the last UM grad to coach Michigan was Bump Elliot and that was during the 50's and 60's in Michigan's decidedly least successful time period until the last 3 season's.


sac,

I was just  thinking of Harbaugh or Miles, since UofM supportors would love a Michigan alum if possible. Not sure what top coaches would be available if Rich Rod does not last ! :-\

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 29, 2010, 11:28:25 PM
Raider68:

IMO, Miles will not be in the running for the Michigan job.  Although Miles was an assistant at Michigan, he "burned his bridges" in the way he handled his potential candidacy last time; add to that the problems he's had at LSU. So I will be extremely surprised (and disappointed) if he is considered/placed on the list of candidates by the Michigan administration and AD.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 30, 2010, 07:43:10 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 29, 2010, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 29, 2010, 09:57:34 PM
I didn't see any purple blood or tears for that matter.....but I did see one heck of a football game. Congrats to Trine for putting on a performance for all the Division III world to see. Hats off to the coaching staff and all the seniors for a putting in their time for the past four years. Take in all in and take it with you as you finish out your senior year at Trine University. It was a great "comfort" knowing that these seniors became the young men they are today through the game of football......

It was a great football game. Congratulations to Trine's players and coaches.  They played REALLY WELL!  UW-W is getting pounded on these message boards because Trine did so well.  I happen to believe Trine is far better than anyone realizes. UW-W will do our best to hammer NCC to send the message for you!  ;)


It was an exciting game for sure!  If not for the Trine fumble near the goal line towards the end, trying hard to get the TD, the score MIGHT have been a little closer.  Our receiver has made super plays all season and almost pulled off another one.  Then an onside kick, Watt driving the team with some last second heroics, etc...etc...etc...  Sorry for dreaming a little.  :)

A game against UW-W is a benchmark, and Trine wants to be in that same light.  Based on how far the program has come, Trine's coaches know what they are doing, and how to get there.  Although we don't need a UW-W playoff run to validate our season, and we are willing to stand on our own merits, I do hope UW-W goes all the way and pounds everyone in its path.  I think that some of UW-W's competition wants to believe there is some chink in the Warhawk armor rather than admit Trine is better than people thought.   :)

Good luck Warhawks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on November 30, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 30, 2010, 07:43:10 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 29, 2010, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 29, 2010, 09:57:34 PM
I didn't see any purple blood or tears for that matter.....but I did see one heck of a football game. Congrats to Trine for putting on a performance for all the Division III world to see. Hats off to the coaching staff and all the seniors for a putting in their time for the past four years. Take in all in and take it with you as you finish out your senior year at Trine University. It was a great "comfort" knowing that these seniors became the young men they are today through the game of football......

It was a great football game. Congratulations to Trine's players and coaches.  They played REALLY WELL!  UW-W is getting pounded on these message boards because Trine did so well.  I happen to believe Trine is far better than anyone realizes. UW-W will do our best to hammer NCC to send the message for you!  ;)


It was an exciting game for sure!  If not for the Trine fumble near the goal line towards the end, trying hard to get the TD, the score MIGHT have been a little closer.  Our receiver has made super plays all season and almost pulled off another one.  Then an onside kick, Watt driving the team with some last second heroics, etc...etc...etc...  Sorry for dreaming a little.  :)

A game against UW-W is a benchmark, and Trine wants to be in that same light.  Based on how far the program has come, Trine's coaches know what they are doing, and how to get there.  Although we don't need a UW-W playoff run to validate our season, and we are willing to stand on our own merits, I do hope UW-W goes all the way and pounds everyone in its path.  I think that some of UW-W's competition wants to believe there is some chink in the Warhawk armor rather than admit Trine is better than people thought.   :)

Good luck Warhawks!

Uncle Rico.......It's okay to dream that's how a team starts to become great....and great they did become....you can't take that away.

bleedpurple.....You can't argue with what took place....As much as I would like another team to get to Virginia (Trine for sure) hope your prediction comes true  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 30, 2010, 07:20:56 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 30, 2010, 07:43:10 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 29, 2010, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: John 316 on November 29, 2010, 09:57:34 PM
I didn't see any purple blood or tears for that matter.....but I did see one heck of a football game. Congrats to Trine for putting on a performance for all the Division III world to see. Hats off to the coaching staff and all the seniors for a putting in their time for the past four years. Take in all in and take it with you as you finish out your senior year at Trine University. It was a great "comfort" knowing that these seniors became the young men they are today through the game of football......

It was a great football game. Congratulations to Trine's players and coaches.  They played REALLY WELL!  UW-W is getting pounded on these message boards because Trine did so well.  I happen to believe Trine is far better than anyone realizes. UW-W will do our best to hammer NCC to send the message for you!  ;)


It was an exciting game for sure!  If not for the Trine fumble near the goal line towards the end, trying hard to get the TD, the score MIGHT have been a little closer.  Our receiver has made super plays all season and almost pulled off another one.  Then an onside kick, Watt driving the team with some last second heroics, etc...etc...etc...  Sorry for dreaming a little.  :)

A game against UW-W is a benchmark, and Trine wants to be in that same light.  Based on how far the program has come, Trine's coaches know what they are doing, and how to get there.  Although we don't need a UW-W playoff run to validate our season, and we are willing to stand on our own merits, I do hope UW-W goes all the way and pounds everyone in its path.  I think that some of UW-W's competition wants to believe there is some chink in the Warhawk armor rather than admit Trine is better than people thought.   :)

Good luck Warhawks!

That's exactly what's happening. And people are underestimating both UW-W and Trine as a result.  But the truth is that Trine is good.  Really good.  Don't put it past UW-W to run the table. Imagine, UW-W beats 3 consecutive #1 seeds and then saying after the season that Trine was their toughest game!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 30, 2010, 07:58:51 PM
bleedpurple,

Trine was real good this year, no doubt. Do you really think that UWW would not have the Raiders in the back of their mind, and while many on the WIAC have not noticed Mount has steadily improved each week and the stats reflect that. At this point Mount has an easier chance to be in Salem then the Warhawks, whether they do or not, we will know soon. North Central, Wesley or MHB still pose some challenges for the Warhawks. Can they make it to Salem again, sure but a month ago the path appeared to be easier than today, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on December 02, 2010, 06:52:47 AM
Eric Watt, Sr. QB from Trine, is one of the 4 finalists for the Gagliardi Trophy.  Congratulations to Eric!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 02, 2010, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on December 02, 2010, 06:52:47 AM
Eric Watt, Sr. QB from Trine, is one of the 4 finalists for the Gagliardi Trophy.  Congratulations to Eric!!

He got my vote! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 02, 2010, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 02, 2010, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on December 02, 2010, 06:52:47 AM
Eric Watt, Sr. QB from Trine, is one of the 4 finalists for the Gagliardi Trophy.  Congratulations to Eric!!

He got my vote! :)

Mine too!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 02, 2010, 06:58:11 PM
Formerd3db,

Congrats on your 400th +k, here it is!! :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on December 02, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
KZOO college with almost 80 kids...outstanding effort by the Hornets staff.....I like them channeling their inner Northwestern and bringing it strong.

Now when will Irv return to Olivet.......Bring the T back baby!

Memo to the Brits........I want the early 90s back.....and until OC brings back Irv...run 80 on them....you still have that in the DNA right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: nccfac on December 03, 2010, 04:58:47 AM
Quote from: sac on November 29, 2010, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 29, 2010, 03:25:10 PM



So Northwestern is your second favorite team, what about MSU or even OSU ;D. If Michigan plays a good team and loses, then the party is over for Rich Rod. The question is, can U of M get Jim Harbaugh? or would he leave Stanford , Yes! Michigan's administration has to suck it up and say they made a mistake and bring in a Michigan alum, IMHO! :)


Ugh, I'll never understand this line of thinking.

Michigan's 3 best coaches...

Yost -- West Virginia
Crisler -- Univ of Chicago
Schembechler -- Ohio State

Neither Moeller or Carr were UM grads, the last UM grad to coach Michigan was Bump Elliot and that was during the 50's and 60's in Michigan's decidedly least successful time period until the last 3 season's.

Schemechler had been an assistant at "The Ohio State University"  ; ;) but was the head coach at Miami of Ohio before he went to Michigan. He let after my freshman year and the players who did nothing but bad mouth him before they knew he was leaving, cried like babies when they heard he wouldn't return to Miami.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 03, 2010, 05:37:38 AM
Quote from: nccfac on December 03, 2010, 04:58:47 AM
Quote from: sac on November 29, 2010, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 29, 2010, 03:25:10 PM



So Northwestern is your second favorite team, what about MSU or even OSU ;D. If Michigan plays a good team and loses, then the party is over for Rich Rod. The question is, can U of M get Jim Harbaugh? or would he leave Stanford , Yes! Michigan's administration has to suck it up and say they made a mistake and bring in a Michigan alum, IMHO! :)


Ugh, I'll never understand this line of thinking.

Michigan's 3 best coaches...

Yost -- West Virginia
Crisler -- Univ of Chicago
Schembechler -- Ohio State

Neither Moeller or Carr were UM grads, the last UM grad to coach Michigan was Bump Elliot and that was during the 50's and 60's in Michigan's decidedly least successful time period until the last 3 season's.

Schemechler had been an assistant at "The Ohio State University"  ; ;) but was the head coach at Miami of Ohio before he went to Michigan. He let after my freshman year and the players who did nothing but bad mouth him before they knew he was leaving, cried like babies when they heard he wouldn't return to Miami.

And prior to being the "Redskins" main man, he was a "Blue Hoser" in South Carolina, eh? Still recall Moeller blowing open holes for Ferguson, Snell, and Warfield during his tenure in C'bus - and now feeling a bit ancient.  ;)

Were the players lamenting Bo's departure or the watered down beverages at the Boar's Head and Purity?  Always opted for the dill pickles at Al and Larry's during conjugal visits to Porter Hall  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 03, 2010, 08:03:59 AM
nccfac / Cave

The first year I played for BO, we all thought he was a hard-a*% the first couple weeks.
Shortly after we would "run through a wall" for him if that is what he asked.
The guy could connect with you on a level that few people every could, or have in my lifetime.
Bo actually "cared" about his guys as young men, what we would become "after" we left the program. What mark did we leave on the people we touched.
I swear coach was like a dad to me, I came from a rough neighborhood and had a "mean streak" as he would say.
The "mean streak" was really just survival mode, as the token "Arab" in a mixed and downward spiral part of Detroit.
Bo as he would tell us "slow your mind down", take in the big picture. You are what you want to be.   Success is judged individually, on a personal basis, man by man, family by family, community by community. Quite a holistic big picture "FAMILY" man, the public image was a hard nosed football coach.

Take a look at the comments from the current and former Penn St. players in this months Sporting News article, very good article.
The true legends in FB helped build young men, these coachs always felt you could judge the success of a coach 20 years after they left the program. Did you develop into an outstanding citizen and family man.
Sadly, Major D1 football will never have another Bo, or Paterno. IT is a business now, a very big business. This is why I am a DIII fan. These young men (for the most part), play for the game and each other. 1 son played DIII, 1 son played D1 , both loved their
football days and believe it was some of the best times in their lives, that few ever get the chance to acheive, maybe that is why we are here on the web today.


Congrats to Trine another great season.  
Continue to carry the flag for the MIAA.
Respect is earned not given, and you are earning that respect.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 03, 2010, 09:34:54 AM
Quote from: D306 on December 03, 2010, 08:03:59 AM
nccfac / Cave

The first year I played for BO, we all thought he was a hard-a*% the first couple weeks.
Shortly after we would "run through a wall" for him if that is what he asked.
The guy could connect with you on a level that few people every could, or have in my lifetime.
Bo actually "cared" about his guys as young men, what we would become "after" we left the program. What mark did we leave on the people we touched.
I swear coach was like a dad to me, I came from a rough neighborhood and had a "mean streak" as he would say.
The "mean streak" was really just survival mode, as the token "Arab" in a mixed and downward spiral part of Detroit.
Bo as he would tell us "slow your mind down", take in the big picture. You are what you want to be.   Success is judged individually, on a personal basis, man by man, family by family, community by community. Quite a holistic big picture "FAMILY" man, the public image was a hard nosed football coach.

Take a look at the comments from the current and former Penn St. players in this months Sporting News article, very good article.
The true legends in FB helped build young men, these coachs always felt you could judge the success of a coach 20 years after they left the program. Did you develop into an outstanding citizen and family man.
Sadly, Major D1 football will never have another Bo, or Paterno. IT is a business now, a very big business. This is why I am a DIII fan. These young men (for the most part), play for the game and each other. 1 son played DIII, 1 son played D1 , both loved their
football days and believe it was some of the best times in their lives. That few ever get the chance to acheive, maybe that is why we are here on the web today.


Congrats to Trine another great season. 
Continue to carry the flag for the MIAA.
Respect is earned not giving, and you are earning that respect.


Agree D306, +K

Bo was a class guy, I looked forward to seeing him and Woody on opposite sidelines in Columbus and Ann Arbor. Many Buckeye fans, myself included, say that Michigan has not been the same since Bo retired. Time UM found a great coach close to Bo's talents to lead Michigan! IMHO :)

Love for the game that D3 football has is missing in D1, I beleive!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on December 03, 2010, 11:36:38 AM
Thank You Raider

I just reviewed my rambling in your reply.
Looks like I need a spell check function, on my cell.  ;D



Good Luck this weekend.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on December 03, 2010, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 02, 2010, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 02, 2010, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on December 02, 2010, 06:52:47 AM
Eric Watt, Sr. QB from Trine, is one of the 4 finalists for the Gagliardi Trophy.  Congratulations to Eric!!

He got my vote! :)

Mine too!

And mine also!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 03, 2010, 11:45:43 PM
Thanks Raider68!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 04, 2010, 12:16:31 AM
rome:

Where have you been all season? ??? :)  We missed having you here and could have used some of your comments/input.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 05, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
Well now that Trine has bowed out of the playoffs, let's not "go silent" on our board here, my friends.  I'm sure that all of us have some comments, opinions, and/or just "something" to say about the remainder of the DIII season to the Stagg Bowl and/or even just our league and college football in general. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 06, 2010, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 05, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
Well now that Trine has bowed out of the playoffs, let's not "go silent" on our board here, my friends.  I'm sure that all of us have some comments, opinions, and/or just "something" to say about the remainder of the DIII season to the Stagg Bowl and/or even just our league and college football in general. ;)

Formerd3db and all MIAA posters,

What is your anaylsis of the Semi-finals? who do you like and why, does UWW not win this close game. Is Wesley the best team this year and/or is Mount Union just quietly buidling momentum for Salem?  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Raider68:

In the Semi-finals, I think that UWW will prevail.  Wesley is a very good team, however,, they just haven't seemed to be able to win one of the "big-ones" in the playoffs.  UWW has shown tenacity each successive week, enough that I think they will get into the Stagg Bowl again to defend their national championship.  As to the other game, while Bethel is a very good team as well, and though they want to avenge their previous playoff loss in the past, I think that Mount will win - their experience and make-up of the team as well as the way they also have been playing of recent will put them back in the Stagg Bowl.  So overall, IMO, I see another "all purple"   Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl again! :) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
D306 and nccfac:
Thanks for sharing your history of playing for Bo and your opinions about DIII.  One never knows where life will take you - many choices at times, yet somehow whatever one chooses, for most, I'd say it usually works out for the best in the end.  I almost chose to walk-on at your alma mater; had partial offers to two other Big Ten schools, but in the end chose Hope and no regrets.  Despite our dad being a Michigan alum (big-time ;)) and I will remain a Michigan guy always - I had a great and memorable career at Hope under a former PAC-10 player who was our head coach, who like Bo, was a great coach and is a great man. Anyway, thanks for sharing, and also posting here on our board to "help us keep our page #'s up! ;D   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 06, 2010, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Raider68:

In the Semi-finals, I think that UWW will prevail.  Wesley is a very good team, however,, they just haven't seemed to be able to win one of the "big-ones" in the playoffs.  UWW has shown tenacity each successive week, enough that I think they will get into the Stagg Bowl again to defend their national championship.  As to the other game, while Bethel is a very good team as well, and though they want to avenge their previous playoff loss in the past, I think that Mount will win - their experience and make-up of the team as well as the way they also have been playing of recent will put them back in the Stagg Bowl.  So overall, IMO, I see another "all purple"   Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl again! :) ;)

Formerd3db,

My take is that UWW will beat Wesley, but it will be a TD or so only. I think they (Wesley) have a  very good team and can take the next step, but not sure if they have that "star" to take them over the top.

Conversley, Mount Union has that star in Shorts, and UWW has Coppage, but he is not as multi-dimentional as Cecil Short is. If it is an all purple Stagg again, will the young Raiders avenge last years' game  or will UWW win again. This year I would not bet against Mount Union, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on December 06, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 06, 2010, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Raider68:

In the Semi-finals, I think that UWW will prevail.  Wesley is a very good team, however,, they just haven't seemed to be able to win one of the "big-ones" in the playoffs.  UWW has shown tenacity each successive week, enough that I think they will get into the Stagg Bowl again to defend their national championship.  As to the other game, while Bethel is a very good team as well, and though they want to avenge their previous playoff loss in the past, I think that Mount will win - their experience and make-up of the team as well as the way they also have been playing of recent will put them back in the Stagg Bowl.  So overall, IMO, I see another "all purple"   Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl again! :) ;)

Formerd3db,

My take is that UWW will beat Wesley, but it will be a TD or so only. I think they (Wesley) have a  very good team and can take the next step, but not sure if they have that "star" to take them over the top.

Conversley, Mount Union has that star in Shorts, and UWW has Coppage, but he is not as multi-dimentional as Cecil Short is. If it is an all purple Stagg again, will the young Raiders avenge last years' game  or will UWW win again. This year I would not bet against Mount Union, IMHO! :)

I don't know...feeling a lot like a "wire to wire"' kind of year to me!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on December 06, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 06, 2010, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
Raider68:

In the Semi-finals, I think that UWW will prevail.  Wesley is a very good team, however,, they just haven't seemed to be able to win one of the "big-ones" in the playoffs.  UWW has shown tenacity each successive week, enough that I think they will get into the Stagg Bowl again to defend their national championship.  As to the other game, while Bethel is a very good team as well, and though they want to avenge their previous playoff loss in the past, I think that Mount will win - their experience and make-up of the team as well as the way they also have been playing of recent will put them back in the Stagg Bowl.  So overall, IMO, I see another "all purple"   Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl again! :) ;)

Formerd3db,

My take is that UWW will beat Wesley, but it will be a TD or so only. I think they (Wesley) have a  very good team and can take the next step, but not sure if they have that "star" to take them over the top.

Conversley, Mount Union has that star in Shorts, and UWW has Coppage, but he is not as multi-dimentional as Cecil Short is. If it is an all purple Stagg again, will the young Raiders avenge last years' game  or will UWW win again. This year I would not bet against Mount Union, IMHO! :)

I don't know...feeling a lot like a "wire to wire"' kind of year to me!  ;D

Indeed, it will probably "go down to the wire"! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 07:43:22 PM
Well, unfortunately, the "ax just dropped" on DIII'er Josh McDaniels as the Denver Broncos owner fired him as head coach - breaking news just now on Comcast and other sports outlets.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on December 07, 2010, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 07:43:22 PM
Well, unfortunately, the "ax just dropped" on DIII'er Josh McDaniels as the Denver Broncos owner fired him as head coach - breaking news just now on Comcast and other sports outlets.

Broncos interim coach Eric Studesville is a UW-Whitewater graduate (1988)!!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 07, 2010, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: BoBo on December 07, 2010, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2010, 07:43:22 PM
Well, unfortunately, the "ax just dropped" on DIII'er Josh McDaniels as the Denver Broncos owner fired him as head coach - breaking news just now on Comcast and other sports outlets.

Broncos interim coach Eric Studesville is a UW-Whitewater graduate (1988)!!  ;)

I had forgotten that.  Hopefully, he can do some turnaround to some extent for the rest of the season.  Too bad for McDaniels, although I think he'll probably resurface again somewhere as a head coach perhaps at the college level if he desires to return to those ranks.  Then again, after being in the NFL for the past few years, he may desire to continue on there in some capacity as an assistant.  We'll see what happens for both Studesville and McDaniels.  Thanks for the update Bobo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: altor on December 08, 2010, 08:51:13 AM
Flipped over to WJR on the ride to work this morning and heard that Adrian won a game in the Big House last weekend.

Yes, it was hockey.  No, it wasn't against the Wolverines.

Congrats to the Bulldogs on the win in the first ever D-III outdoor hockey game!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 08, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
Here is a question for the MIAA experts:  :)

While the season is still fresh in everyone's minds,

1. What does it look like by team for 2011, in terms of returning players?

2. Whose schedules pose challenges (non-conference)

3. Any coaching changes for 2011?

4. Will Trine lead the MIAA again?

5. Will there be another schools vying for the title?

6. Who will land the best recruits?

7. Will Trine end the year in the D3 Top 10?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on December 09, 2010, 12:43:47 PM
Congratulations to Trine head coach Matt Land who was named the 2010 North Region Coach of the Year. This is his second COTY award in the last three seasons.

Additional congratulations to the other MIAA All-Region athletes.

First Team

Clinton Orr, RB, Albion
Tyler Terry, T, Trine
Chris Greenwood, CB, Albion


Second Team

Eric Watt, QB, Trine
Shane Jeisel, T, Albion
Aaron Selking, S, Trine


Third Team

Tom Wyman, TE, Trine
Christian Verly, DT, Trine
Tony Galamo, DE, Alma
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 09, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
Special Congrats to all the MIAA players who made the All-Region team and Trine HC MATT Land, great job! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on December 11, 2010, 04:13:29 PM
Trine deserves far more respect nationally than they get.  Coach Land is doing an EXCELLENT JOB.  In spite of some rather LOUD posters in the South Region, Trine would give Wesley everything they can handle!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 11, 2010, 06:17:36 PM
Formerd3db,

Did you catch either game today? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2010, 11:13:43 PM
Raider68:

No, unfortunately, I didn't.  We had our annual Christmas get-together with some friends, so we were out-of-town.  Got back awhile ago, so I just now saw the scores.  As a result of that, I also missed the Heisman presentation this evening, although that doesn't bother me this year - the outcome was not in doubt and, despite what a great player Newton is, he, unfortunately, has not been the best role model throughout his college career.

Anyway, good luck to your Mount next week in the Stagg Bowl.  I think it will be a good game.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on December 12, 2010, 10:56:24 PM
thank you for the love d3db

have not really followed this season...all i know is this

Kzoo is running tony franklin system and actually looking like a college team

scot gun was down this year but the fans are still wild

albion is not the albion I knew under coach pete

adrian--they have everything they need to win in this conference...when will it happen?
heck they have a british coach--very cool

olivet...I don't get, I just don't get it there....

hope...historically very strong--kerps knows his stuff....no idea what they are now

trine...??? are they looking to go to another league? they have kicked the door down and if the michigan teams can't show some life...trine may have to go to another conference to take the next step


Question: What happen to this conference--early/mid 90s this was a solid conference and now I look at scores and it looks ugly

any insight??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on December 12, 2010, 10:57:45 PM
btw

how does karma work

how do i get love and how do I bump up someone's karma?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2010, 11:48:21 PM
Quote from: rome on December 12, 2010, 10:57:45 PM
btw

how does karma work

how do i get love and how do I bump up someone's karma?

Young grasshopper, you will learn the mystery when you hit 200 posts, and 'applaud' and 'smite' buttons suddenly appear on your orbiter. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on December 13, 2010, 08:21:35 AM
Good morning, everyone!

Trine head coach Matt Land is one of the five finalists for Liberty Mutual's Coach of the Year for D3.  There's a nice bio on him on the Liberty Mutual website. 

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Coaches-Finalists-Profile.aspx?coachid=253#fbid=2J4Kh6UlBpX

Please cast your vote once per day for our very own Coach Land!!

Thanks, and GO THUNDER!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 13, 2010, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on December 13, 2010, 08:21:35 AM
Good morning, everyone!

Trine head coach Matt Land is one of the five finalists for Liberty Mutual's Coach of the Year for D3.  There's a nice bio on him on the Liberty Mutual website. 

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Coaches-Finalists-Profile.aspx?coachid=253#fbid=2J4Kh6UlBpX

Please cast your vote once per day for our very own Coach Land!!

Thanks, and GO THUNDER!!

LetItRain,

He got my vote! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
LIR and Uncle Rico:

Did your son and the others play in that All-Star game?  I guess I must have missed seeing any articles/media coverage on it here or elsewhere, but I was curious.  I hope it was a great experience.  Or is that coming up now?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
It is on Saturday.  It does not appear that it will have any coverage, but I will be going and post an update.   Thank you for asking! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on December 13, 2010, 02:56:04 PM
The Tazon de Estrellas ("Bowl of the Stars") will be played on Saturday, December 18.  Here's a link to a press release about the game:

http://globalfootball.com/files/2010/tazonestrellas-announcement2010.pdf

This is the bowl game formerly known as the Aztec Bowl.  There is one Trine player (Jake Vance) and one Kalamazoo player (Cory McCain) representing the MIAA in this game.  Eric Watt from Trine was also invited but he's going to be a bit busy this week with Gagliardi Trophy festivities in Salem, Virginia so he had to cancel.

Unfortunately there will be no live media coverage for the event.  Uncle Rico is attending the game and will be sending updates home.  I'll try to post them when I get them.

GO TEAM STARS & STRIPES!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2010, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
It is on Saturday.  It does not appear that it will have any coverage, but I will be going and post an update.   Thank you for asking! :)
Quote from: LetItRain on December 13, 2010, 02:56:04 PM
The Tazon de Estrellas ("Bowl of the Stars") will be played on Saturday, December 18.  Here's a link to a press release about the game:

http://globalfootball.com/files/2010/tazonestrellas-announcement2010.pdf

This is the bowl game formerly known as the Aztec Bowl.  There is one Trine player (Jake Vance) and one Kalamazoo player (Cory McCain) representing the MIAA in this game.  Eric Watt from Trine was also invited but he's going to be a bit busy this week with Gagliardi Trophy festivities in Salem, Virginia so he had to cancel.

Unfortunately there will be no live media coverage for the event.  Uncle Rico is attending the game and will be sending updates home.  I'll try to post them when I get them.

GO TEAM STARS & STRIPES!!


You are most welcome and thank you both.  Yes, please keep us posted here.  Have a great trip and best wishes to your son for a great game and experience.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2010, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: rome on December 12, 2010, 10:56:24 PM
thank you for the love d3db

have not really followed this season...all i know is this

Kzoo is running tony franklin system and actually looking like a college team

scot gun was down this year but the fans are still wild

albion is not the albion I knew under coach pete

adrian--they have everything they need to win in this conference...when will it happen?
heck they have a british coach--very cool

olivet...I don't get, I just don't get it there....

hope...historically very strong--kerps knows his stuff....no idea what they are now

trine...??? are they looking to go to another league? they have kicked the door down and if the michigan teams can't show some life...trine may have to go to another conference to take the next step


Question: What happen to this conference--early/mid 90s this was a solid conference and now I look at scores and it looks ugly

any insight??

You are welcome rome. Also, I think your assessments are pretty much on the mark - although I do hope Trine stays in the league as they will help everyone in bringing it back up to the next level. :)  Seriously, though, I don't think anyone has to worry about them leaving as they are quite happy with the MIAA, at least as far as what I know and have heard.
As far as your Olivet, I think the new staff needs at least one more season for us to make some observations.  Aslo, as there has been much previous discussion by many here on this board in the past year or so on the question you pose as to what has happened to the MIAA in the last decade, rather than reitierate that here and bore everyone to death, I can either PM you or perhaps you can scroll back several pages to find some of those postings (the latter shouldn't be so hard because we don't have anywhere near the amount of pages as the other boards do, so it shouldn't take that long! ;D ??? ::) :o :D :) ;) (at least not as long as some of my own posts are! ;D  Sorry about that you guys!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
Pat:

BTW, are you guys going to have any info about the upcoming "Bowl of the Stars" i.e. the former Aztec Bowl being played this Saturday?  I realize you will be involved in The Stagg Bowl broadcast and festivities, however, I was just curious if you had any plans/time for at least some updates/info on that for everyone.

I assume you are leaving for The Stagg tomorrow (or Wed at the latest)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 14, 2010, 10:29:50 AM
At the Vikings game last night - which turned out to be a miserable display of football for my Vikes who are now eliminated - I found out the the Giants LB coach, has a son going to Alma...a freshman DB from Saline, MI...just thought I'd throw that one out there...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 14, 2010, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 13, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
Pat:

BTW, are you guys going to have any info about the upcoming "Bowl of the Stars" i.e. the former Aztec Bowl being played this Saturday?  I realize you will be involved in The Stagg Bowl broadcast and festivities, however, I was just curious if you had any plans/time for at least some updates/info on that for everyone.

I assume you are leaving for The Stagg tomorrow (or Wed at the latest)?

Leaving Wednesday afternoon. We haven't heard word one from the Estrellas people (personas?) this year. I am thinking that we won't know much about this game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 14, 2010, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 13, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
Pat:

BTW, are you guys going to have any info about the upcoming "Bowl of the Stars" i.e. the former Aztec Bowl being played this Saturday?  I realize you will be involved in The Stagg Bowl broadcast and festivities, however, I was just curious if you had any plans/time for at least some updates/info on that for everyone.

I assume you are leaving for The Stagg tomorrow (or Wed at the latest)?

Leaving Wednesday afternoon. We haven't heard word one from the Estrellas people (personas?) this year. I am thinking that we won't know much about this game.

Yes, I guess we'll have to wait and hear from the parents of players who are participating.  Anyway, have a safe and great trip to The Stagg.  Have a toast (egg nog,spiked, of course! ;D) for me and the rest of us D3fb.com posters who can't be there with all of you. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2010, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on December 14, 2010, 10:29:50 AM
At the Vikings game last night - which turned out to be a miserable display of football for my Vikes who are now eliminated - I found out the the Giants LB coach, has a son going to Alma...a freshman DB from Saline, MI...just thought I'd throw that one out there...

That is neat.  BTW, how was the actual attendance for the game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 15, 2010, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 14, 2010, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on December 14, 2010, 10:29:50 AM
At the Vikings game last night - which turned out to be a miserable display of football for my Vikes who are now eliminated - I found out the the Giants LB coach, has a son going to Alma...a freshman DB from Saline, MI...just thought I'd throw that one out there...

That is neat.  BTW, how was the actual attendance for the game?

The game is listed as a "paid" attendance of 45,910, about 15,000 short of capacity if memory serves.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2010, 10:42:35 PM
Thanks sac.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2010, 05:00:10 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 14, 2010, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 13, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
Pat:

BTW, are you guys going to have any info about the upcoming "Bowl of the Stars" i.e. the former Aztec Bowl being played this Saturday?  I realize you will be involved in The Stagg Bowl broadcast and festivities, however, I was just curious if you had any plans/time for at least some updates/info on that for everyone.

I assume you are leaving for The Stagg tomorrow (or Wed at the latest)?

Leaving Wednesday afternoon. We haven't heard word one from the Estrellas people (personas?) this year. I am thinking that we won't know much about this game.

The game will be webcast here ...  http://www.udlap.mx/tvudlap/deportivos.aspx   But you will need to brush up on your spanish.  :)

They also have a facebook link ...  http://www.facebook.com/#!/TazonDeEstrellas2010



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 16, 2010, 07:39:17 AM
Quote from: sac on December 15, 2010, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 14, 2010, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on December 14, 2010, 10:29:50 AM
At the Vikings game last night - which turned out to be a miserable display of football for my Vikes who are now eliminated - I found out the the Giants LB coach, has a son going to Alma...a freshman DB from Saline, MI...just thought I'd throw that one out there...

That is neat.  BTW, how was the actual attendance for the game?

The game is listed as a "paid" attendance of 45,910, about 15,000 short of capacity if memory serves.

That's what the announced attendance was. It was really quite the atmosphere, more like a college game than an NFL game. Lots of fun...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on December 16, 2010, 09:22:28 PM
Trine QB Eric Watt won the 2010 Gagliardi Trophy tonight!

Way to go Eric!  We are very, very proud!

GO THUNDER!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2010, 09:25:32 PM
Oh my gosh!  Congratulations to Eric Watt on the 2010 Gagliardi Trophy!  What a great event.  That gives our MIAA two Gagliardi winners this decade-wow! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on December 16, 2010, 10:12:20 PM
Congratulations goes out to the one the only Eric Watt this years winner of the Gagliardi Trophy. You did a great job on and off the field and represented Trine University all the way. The Trine Thunder Football Family is so proud that you were our QB for the last four years......Be Proud.....Be Loud.......THUNDER!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 16, 2010, 10:17:28 PM
Congrats to Eric Watt and the Trine University. Everyone from the MIAA should be very proud of this young man. I am thankful I had the privilege to vote for him! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on December 16, 2010, 10:23:07 PM
Congratulations to Eric Watt! He is a great player and is obviously a great young man as well.  Yet another feather in Trine's cap. Congrats!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on December 17, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
What an awesome honor to be bestowed upon Eric Watt, Trine University, and the MIAA!  representing truely what it takes to be a DIII athlete!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on December 17, 2010, 10:18:47 AM
A big congrats to Eric Watt, our newest Gagliardi Trophy winner.  He impressed A LOT of Warhawk fans with an awesome performance against us and is, clearly, a step above most off the field as well! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on December 17, 2010, 01:55:24 PM
Congratulations to Eric Watt & Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on December 17, 2010, 02:06:02 PM
Good job to Eric...he deserves it.

I'm glad we don't have to face him again  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 17, 2010, 02:30:21 PM
Let me join in the congrats for Eric and Trine.  Great accomplishment.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2010, 02:58:54 PM
Hey sac:

Did you by chance go to the "Big Chill" U of M/MSU hockey game at The Big House last weekend?  My son-in-law, who played hockey for Hope College and now coaches for his former high school hockey team got the chance to go down there during the week as his team played a regular season high school game there the Tues before (Adrian College also played one of their games there as well - heck, since U of M went to all that trouble to put in the ice rink, they might as well have take full advantage of it for use as they did in making it available for other teams to use before the "Big Chill" game).  Anyway, my s-i-la said it was a fantastic experience and the photos are awesome, but...it was so very cold!  However, after freezing his tail off at their game ;D ::), he decided not to go back down to the "Big Chill" game so he gave his tickets to a relative!  I was just curious as to if you went down.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 17, 2010, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 17, 2010, 02:58:54 PM
Hey sac:

Did you by chance go to the "Big Chill" U of M/MSU hockey game at The Big House last weekend?  My son-in-law, who played hockey for Hope College and now coaches for his former high school hockey team got the chance to go down there during the week as his team played a regular season high school game there the Tues before (Adrian College also played one of their games there as well - heck, since U of M went to all that trouble to put in the ice rink, they might as well have take full advantage of it for use as they did in making it available for other teams to use before the "Big Chill" game).  Anyway, my s-i-la said it was a fantastic experience and the photos are awesome, but...it was so very cold!  However, after freezing his tail off at their game ;D ::), he decided not to go back down to the "Big Chill" game so he gave his tickets to a relative!  I was just curious as to if you went down.




I did not, but would have liked to in hindsight.  I determined last spring that since the Univ couldn't guarantee me my football seats, or good weather or no snow for parking cars for 110,000 people (they dodged a huge bullet there) that I would be happy to watch it at home.

As it turned out I was invited to a dinner at Hope honoring Glen VanWieren, a really good and interesting time.    So I recorded it, but have yet to finish.

I was at the game at the 'Cold War' game at Michigan State in 2001, pretty cool experience.  I had way better seats there than I could have had a Michigan, first row, upper deck.  As I remember Michigan played football at MSU that year and it was colder for the football game in late September than it was for the hockey game in December.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2010, 05:26:25 PM
sac:

Thanks for the follow-up.  I totally understand.  Yeah, I also remember the weather situation for that "Cold War" game at MSU back in 2001 as you mention (difficult to believe it has been that long before they tried this venue again).

Anyway, sounds like the dinner for GVW was great - similar to the one we went to for Ray Smith when he retired.  Have a good time if you are going to the Hope BB games tonight or tomorrow at the annual tournament.  I see where they are leaving for Florida early this week.  Speaking of basketball, I saw where Alma played Western Michigan last week in a regular season game (not an exhibition) and got killed.  While that is a great experience for them (i.e not the "killed part" but rather simply getting the chance to play the DI one guys  ;D), Alma's basketball teams are not very good and, IMO, it would have been better for one of Hope's or Calvin's best teams to do that (although, of course, neither of them are in that category this year it appears - but that's the way it goes).  I recall that Wheaton almost upset Northwestern about 4 years ago or so; Adrian played U of D many years ago in 1977 when the latter went to the NCAA's under Vitale (Adrian was tied with them 50-50 at halftime, but got blown out in the second half as I recall) and Albion played Eastern Michigan about 3-4 years ago.  All of those games were regular season games and not exhibitions, like some of the other small schools have been playing against the DI teams.

Personally, I have no problem with a DIII team playing a game against the DI's (or ?DII's) in the ealry season - even if you lose, it still is a neat experience.  And besides, you never know - just sometime, perhaps an upset might occurr.  Of course, in baseball, you can get away with playing the "big boys" easier - as it is a much different game in that regard.  Olivet beat Toledo in baseball in 2009; I remeber when Alma split with Iowa State and Georgia Tech many years ago when my brother was playing.  Of course, those latter teams were throwing their 6th and 7th pictures while Alma was using their #1 and #2 "Aces"! ;D ;)  But...I digress.... ;D  not much else to do on the eve of The Stagg Bowl, since I can't make it there or to the Hope BB game tonight! ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 79jaybird on December 17, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
formerd3db-  I wish I was there suited up in the net. In Elmhurst we have the YMCA which is a recreational adult hockey league outside battling the elements. Very cold, but priceless fun.    I saw the highlights on TV. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 17, 2010, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 17, 2010, 05:26:25 PM
sac:

Thanks for the follow-up.  I totally understand.  Yeah, I also remember the weather situation for that "Cold War" game at MSU back in 2001 as you mention (difficult to believe it has been that long before they tried this venue again).

Anyway, sounds like the dinner for GVW was great - similar to the one we went to for Ray Smith when he retired.  Have a good time if you are going to the Hope BB games tonight or tomorrow at the annual tournament.  I see where they are leaving for Florida early this week.  Speaking of basketball, I saw where Alma played Western Michigan last week in a regular season game (not an exhibition) and got killed.  While that is a great experience for them (i.e not the "killed part" but rather simply getting the chance to play the DI one guys  ;D), Alma's basketball teams are not very good and, IMO, it would have been better for one of Hope's or Calvin's best teams to do that (although, of course, neither of them are in that category this year it appears - but that's the way it goes).  I recall that Wheaton almost upset Northwestern about 4 years ago or so; Adrian played U of D many years ago in 1977 when the latter went to the NCAA's under Vitale (Adrian was tied with them 50-50 at halftime, but got blown out in the second half as I recall) and Albion played Eastern Michigan about 3-4 years ago.  All of those games were regular season games and not exhibitions, like some of the other small schools have been playing against the DI teams.

Personally, I have no problem with a DIII team playing a game against the DI's (or ?DII's) in the ealry season - even if you lose, it still is a neat experience.  And besides, you never know - just sometime, perhaps an upset might occurr.  Of course, in baseball, you can get away with playing the "big boys" easier - as it is a much different game in that regard.  Olivet beat Toledo in baseball in 2009; I remeber when Alma split with Iowa State and Georgia Tech many years ago when my brother was playing.  Of course, those latter teams were throwing their 6th and 7th pictures while Alma was using their #1 and #2 "Aces"! ;D ;)  But...I digress.... ;D  not much else to do on the eve of The Stagg Bowl, since I can't make it there or to the Hope BB game tonight! ;D



Iowa State and Georgia Tech just had cardboard cutouts on the mound, and Alma could still only get a split?! :o ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2010, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: 79jaybird on December 17, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
formerd3db-  I wish I was there suited up in the net. In Elmhurst we have the YMCA which is a recreational adult hockey league outside battling the elements. Very cold, but priceless fun.    I saw the highlights on TV. 

There is something special about playing hockey outside like used to be done almost all the time many years ago for youth hockey (exceptions being the NHL, minor league and college hockey).  So that is fun, but yes, indeed, can be very cold.  I assume, however, that you prefer playing at the indoor arenas for your league! :) 

Went to see my s-i-l (former Hope College goalie like you :)) coaching at the high school hockey game last evening.  Very lively crowd and good game for high school hockey.  But it was even cold indoors too.  BTW, they have a fantastic locker room for both the coaches and players, which matches with (and in some instances) is even better than some DI programs - essentially like the pros.  The head coach played at Michigan State, the with the Pittsburgh Penguins system for several years; he got many people and companies to donate $ - they have 7 differnet jerseys to wear for various commemorations (Cancer Support Night, Environmental Green Night, Military Night,, etc. plus they even have "home and away" helmets; plus moiunted photos of every plyaer he's had who went on to play collegiate and/or pro hockey.  Really something and most of the other high schools are salivating over this as they wish they could be so fortunate to have the same.  Sorry I got carried away rambling about this here on the football site, but, I guess I'm just a proud f-i-l! ::) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2010, 01:41:03 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Yeah, I guess it was because the Alma guys were a "little" in the ozone due to the Red Devil chaw they had back then when it was legal before the NCAA banned such miscreant habits! ;D ::) :o :)  But, at least they did get the split instead of being creamed in both games of the doubleheaders.  Besides, they played in front of several thousand people in minor league stadiums!  Fantastic experience.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on December 18, 2010, 09:00:30 PM
Tazon de Estrellas 2010

Team Stars & Stripes - 48
Team Mexico - 7

FINAL

Congratulations to the Warhawks also!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
Pat:

Thank you to you, Keith, Frank and your other staff/colleagues for a very nice job on the broadcast.  Since I was not able to view the game on TV (I have all the ESPN channels except ESPNU, unfortunately, :(), I listened to your broadcast and it was great.  Next year, if I can't make it down to The Stagg Bowl in person, I am definitely going to watch it on TV but with your audio broadcast instead of ESPN's!  Hope you had a great time and thanks again for another great year.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 20, 2010, 07:55:22 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
Pat:

Thank you to you, Keith, Frank and your other staff/colleagues for a very nice job on the broadcast.  Since I was not able to view the game on TV (I have all the ESPN channels except ESPNU, unfortunately, :(), I listened to your broadcast and it was great.  Next year, if I can't make it down to The Stagg Bowl in person, I am definitely going to watch it on TV but with your audio broadcast instead of ESPN's!  Hope you had a great time and thanks again for another great year.

formerd3db

I know, too little too late, but you could've watched it one espn3.com. The game was there and it was 100% free...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 20, 2010, 03:59:51 PM
MIAA Posters:

Why aren't there posts about Trine finishing in the D3 Top 10! :o :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on December 20, 2010, 04:28:28 PM
I didn't realize that they released the final Top 25.  D3football.com has Trine at #10.  The AFCA Coaches Poll has Trine at #8.  Eric Watt won the Gagliardi.  Now we just need Matt Land to win Liberty Mutual's D3 Coach of the Year!

GO THUNDER!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 20, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
Congrats to Trine on their top 10 finish.  First for the MIAA in the d3football.com poll.....probably ever.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 20, 2010, 05:59:18 PM
Montana Tech has themselves a gem of a coach........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LikNOLkPc50

for some reason it starts over at the 3 minute mark, so the video is really only 3 minutes and worth a watch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2010, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
Congrats to Trine on their top 10 finish.  First for the MIAA in the d3football.com poll.....probably ever.


sac:

I join you in congratulating Trine for the above - that is greatm, not only for them, but also the MIAA as you say.  However, I disagree with that it will probably be ever - I can't imagine that it will never happen again, for them or for another MIAA team such as Albion or Hope.  Might take a while, but I doubt it wouldn't ever happen. 

Also, for what it's worth, while this is obviously the first time for such an occurance in teh d3football.com poll, it is not the first time an MIAA team has been nationally ranked in the final top ten poll of the year in the NCAA and the nation.  That has occurred for Hope, Albion and Adrian in the past.  Just thought I'd throw that in there for the record! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2010, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: sflzman on December 20, 2010, 07:55:22 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
Pat:

Thank you to you, Keith, Frank and your other staff/colleagues for a very nice job on the broadcast.  Since I was not able to view the game on TV (I have all the ESPN channels except ESPNU, unfortunately, :(), I listened to your broadcast and it was great.  Next year, if I can't make it down to The Stagg Bowl in person, I am definitely going to watch it on TV but with your audio broadcast instead of ESPN's!  Hope you had a great time and thanks again for another great year.

formerd3db

I know, too little too late, but you could've watched it one espn3.com. The game was there and it was 100% free...

sflzman:

You're kidding! :( :'( I didn't know that.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2010, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 20, 2010, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
Congrats to Trine on their top 10 finish.  First for the MIAA in the d3football.com poll.....probably ever.


sac:

I join you in congratulating Trine for the above - that is greatm, not only for them, but also the MIAA as you say.  However, I disagree with that it will probably be ever - I can't imagine that it will never happen again, for them or for another MIAA team such as Albion or Hope.  Might take a while, but I doubt it wouldn't ever happen. 

Also, for what it's worth, while this is obviously the first time for such an occurance in teh d3football.com poll, it is not the first time an MIAA team has been nationally ranked in the final top ten poll of the year in the NCAA and the nation.  That has occurred for Hope, Albion and Adrian in the past.  Just thought I'd throw that in there for the record! ;D

sac was clearly talking about the past 11(?) years - not predicting the future. ;)

There were postings on several boards about a way to watch on line - you've gotta get out of just your North region shell! :o ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2010, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2010, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 20, 2010, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: sac on December 20, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
Congrats to Trine on their top 10 finish.  First for the MIAA in the d3football.com poll.....probably ever.


sac:

I join you in congratulating Trine for the above - that is greatm, not only for them, but also the MIAA as you say.  However, I disagree with that it will probably be ever - I can't imagine that it will never happen again, for them or for another MIAA team such as Albion or Hope.  Might take a while, but I doubt it wouldn't ever happen.  

Also, for what it's worth, while this is obviously the first time for such an occurance in teh d3football.com poll, it is not the first time an MIAA team has been nationally ranked in the final top ten poll of the year in the NCAA and the nation.  That has occurred for Hope, Albion and Adrian in the past.  Just thought I'd throw that in there for the record! ;D

sac was clearly talking about the past 11(?) years - not predicting the future. ;)

There were postings on several boards about a way to watch on line - you've gotta get out of just your North region shell! :o ;D

Actually, I knew that Mr. Ypsi.  But, I just had to put in the "historical" perspective too! ;D

As for the options of watcing on line, yes, I guess I should have/could have checked on other boards.  Actually, I did check on a couple of other boards, but no one was able to help , although they kindly tried.  Also, while listening to d3fb.com's live audio broadcast of the game, the USTREAM chat list on the side had people (UWW fans predominantly) discussing and trying to find out how to get a video cast of it.  No one was successful (they weren't very happy about it, obviously by some of the comments that were posted ;D ;) ::)), but also, I tried one of the links someone suggested there and it didn't work - it actually brought up a porno site (which I almost had trouble trying to get rid of off my computer - now I don't mean myself not wanting to but rather the computer aspect of tryiing to rid it - but I finally was successful! ::) :o ;D AND I would have had to pay for the service to get the live video of the game.  Even then, when deleting their site, they were very persistent in trying to get you to commit i.e. every time you clicke on cancel, another message came saying..."are you sure you want to cancel? We can give you a discount".  To say the least, I was frustrated, but as mentioned, did hear the game.  Next year, I'll know better and be prepared ahead of time, unless, of course, I can make it to The Stagg Bowl in person. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2010, 08:33:56 PM
You should have checked the CCIW board (we collectively know EVERYTHING! :P)  Mugsy (or was it Q?) posted a site (quite possibly pirated, I don't know, or care ;)) which had a free link (though I never could figure out a way to get it beyond about 3" by 5".)  I had also seen the same link on two/three other boards.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2010, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 20, 2010, 03:59:51 PM
MIAA Posters:

Why aren't there posts about Trine finishing in the D3 Top 10! :o :o

To be honest, I thought Trine would have been ranked higher based on the season they had, and how well they played against Whitewater.  If not for the fumble near Whitewaters goal line towards the end of the game, it was even closer.  I don't see how many of Whitewaters other competition played better against them, especially with Trine playing them on the road while most of the other playoff teams had them at home.  People can harp on the strength of schedule, but when you actually measure performance against the best team in the nation,  I think Trine deserves better than what they got.  You can play the toughest over all schedule, but when it comes down to duking it out with the best, isn't that what you really strive for?  I don't want to be judged by how well I did against everyone else, I want to be judged by how well I did against the best.  And in that scenario, Trine's performance deserved better than #10 in the nation, in my opinion...:) .

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2010, 09:09:27 PM
Thanks for the info, Mr. Ypsi.

Uncle Rico:

I thought they should have been rated higher also.  Oh well, at least they are in the Top Ten.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2010, 09:14:03 PM
I returned home this morning from the Tazon de Estrella's game featuring a group of American D3 all star football players vs a Mexican all star team.  The Stars and Stripes team won 48-7.

One of the lasting impressions I had, other than the joy of watching my son play, was how the Mexican people embraced our players, and how well the players responded to them.

After the game, many many families would come up to the American players and ask for autographs, or to have their picture taken with the players.  Little kids would slowly walk up to one of the team and very politely ask to have their picture taken with the player.  It was so nice to see, and I hope our kids felt honored.  I think they did.  What a wonderful opportunity to spread "American futbol" to Mexico, with our players as ambassadors.   And what a great host Toluca was for our team.  A lot more than just a game of football happened that Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2010, 09:36:07 PM
Agreed on barely mentioning Trine's final ranking.  Although 10th is the highest the MIAA has achieved since the d3football.com poll has begun, I thought they got robbed!  I would have them at least 7th or 8th.  Good grief, they were tied at the end of three with the team that was both the defending and future national champions! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 21, 2010, 09:41:49 AM
Who is the leading candidate to fill the shoes of Eric Watt at Trine for 2011? Tough act to follow! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2010, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: sflzman on December 20, 2010, 07:55:22 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
Pat:

Thank you to you, Keith, Frank and your other staff/colleagues for a very nice job on the broadcast.  Since I was not able to view the game on TV (I have all the ESPN channels except ESPNU, unfortunately, :(), I listened to your broadcast and it was great.  Next year, if I can't make it down to The Stagg Bowl in person, I am definitely going to watch it on TV but with your audio broadcast instead of ESPN's!  Hope you had a great time and thanks again for another great year.

formerd3db

I know, too little too late, but you could've watched it one espn3.com. The game was there and it was 100% free...

Everything we were told was that it wasn't on ESPN3.com. Did you actually watch it there? Some people were passing around the channel-surfing.net URL but we didn't want to mess with something that seems to have sketchy legal standing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 22, 2010, 12:42:14 PM
Texas high school state championship game trick play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vAuBIDl4t8&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on December 23, 2010, 10:17:43 AM
Raider,

I believe Ryan Hargraves is the leading candidate to fill Watt's shoes at this point. I think Ryan has a similar skill set to Watt ie runs well and throws a good ball. He got some playing time this year and has had 2 years of learning the system behind a great quarterback. So unless Coach Land brings in a qb better than Ryan, I believe he is the guy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 23, 2010, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on December 23, 2010, 10:17:43 AM
Raider,

I believe Ryan Hargraves is the leading candidate to fill Watt's shoes at this point. I think Ryan has a similar skill set to Watt ie runs well and throws a good ball. He got some playing time this year and has had 2 years of learning the system behind a great quarterback. So unless Coach Land brings in a qb better than Ryan, I believe he is the guy.

Diezel1,

Thanks for the information. +k to you  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 23, 2010, 01:28:28 PM
To all those MIAA posters, may you and your families have a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 23, 2010, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2010, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: sflzman on December 20, 2010, 07:55:22 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
Pat:

Thank you to you, Keith, Frank and your other staff/colleagues for a very nice job on the broadcast.  Since I was not able to view the game on TV (I have all the ESPN channels except ESPNU, unfortunately, :(), I listened to your broadcast and it was great.  Next year, if I can't make it down to The Stagg Bowl in person, I am definitely going to watch it on TV but with your audio broadcast instead of ESPN's!  Hope you had a great time and thanks again for another great year.

formerd3db

I know, too little too late, but you could've watched it one espn3.com. The game was there and it was 100% free...

Everything we were told was that it wasn't on ESPN3.com. Did you actually watch it there? Some people were passing around the channel-surfing.net URL but we didn't want to mess with something that seems to have sketchy legal standing.

No I was away all day, but I was talked to someone who watched it online, and I just assumed it would be on espn3 because nearly all of ESPN live sports are on that too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 09:32:10 PM
OK. Good -- like I said, it wasn't on ESPN3 from what ESPN told us.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 24, 2010, 10:18:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 09:32:10 PM
OK. Good -- like I said, it wasn't on ESPN3 from what ESPN told us.

Well that's definately interesting...I wonder why not...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 26, 2010, 03:59:30 PM
What can we expect from Trine in 2011?

  - Will they finish higher than #10 in the final D3 Poll?

  - Can they win a second playoff game?

  - Do they lose too much, in addition to Eric Watt and not even make
    a top 10 finish?

  - Does another MIAA school beat them and win the conference?

Here is a Non-D3 bonus question, but football related: Does U of M
bring back Coach Rod  in 2011, regardless of the Gator bowl result? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 28, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Come on guys, let's keep this board warm! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on December 30, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
Raider,

I'll try to answer your questions. In regards to finishing in the top 10, I'm not sure. I believe they will reload and put another solid team on the field that can win the MIAA but I'm not sure if they will be as dominant as they were this year. If they get a favorable match up in the second round, I believe they can win a second round game. Trine has gotten two less than favorable matchups the last 2 years in Wittenberg in 09 and Whitewater in 10 but everyone is tough in the tourney. I don't think another MIAA team will knock them off and win the conference but it is only December and you never know with transfers, recruiting, and other various reasons who will be on the team next year
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 30, 2010, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on December 30, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
Raider,

I'll try to answer your questions. In regards to finishing in the top 10, I'm not sure. I believe they will reload and put another solid team on the field that can win the MIAA but I'm not sure if they will be as dominant as they were this year. If they get a favorable match up in the second round, I believe they can win a second round game. Trine has gotten two less than favorable matchups the last 2 years in Wittenberg in 09 and Whitewater in 10 but everyone is tough in the tourney. I don't think another MIAA team will knock them off and win the conference but it is only December and you never know with transfers, recruiting, and other various reasons who will be on the team next year

Thanks Diesel1,

Will Coach Rich Rod survive another year at U of M?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2010, 09:18:38 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 28, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Come on guys, let's keep this board warm! ;D ;D

Don't keep prodding the board -- they know how to post here and don't need a Purple Raider running the board for them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: snoghosts on December 31, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
Raider has been posting on this board for awhile and is good company, so if he wants to prod here then he can prod.
Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 31, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
Safe travels to all and may 2011 be a Happy and Healthy New Year for all! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
Actually, prodding has been bothering me for a while and I decided to finally say something about it. Raiders already run one board, no need for a Raider fan to run another.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
Actually, prodding has been bothering me for a while and I decided to finally say something about it. Raiders already run one board, no need for a Raider fan to run another.

Wow, did you have a bad day today or what? :o  Actually Pat, I am quite surprised you make such a comment.  While this site is obviously yours and you have the right to make the rules, why should it matter who posts on what boards, as long as they keep it professional and within the accepted limits of some levity (which BTW, you, I, and many others know that many posters on your site do not).  Personally, I have enjoyed and appreciated Raider68's comments/discussion and contributions to our board, nor do I care if he is from another board.  With all due respect to you, he is "not running" our board, and, in fact, because our board has obviously been so far behind most of the others, I'm glad he's encouraging others here, who are MIAA'ers to post.  Good grief, there are people here who could post and I'm sure our colleagues who regularly post would welcome their input. but for whatever reason they choose not to post (perhaps they read, but don't post).  Obviously, that is their choice.  So as far as I'm concerned, I don't care's who posts here to contribute to our board.  I, for one welcome it; and I respectfully disagree with you that Raider68 is "running this board".  He is not and yes, we know how to post here; those of us who do, do it quite well IMO, and enjoy it.  I only wish others would take Raider's (and my own encouragement) to join us in the fun. :)

So, again, with all due respect to you, while you are entitled to your opinion, I think you are a "little over the top" on this one.  If you think so strong on it, why don't you then make a comment to those other "Raiders" on that other board whom you think run that one.  There have been others on other boards who "have prodded" much more than anyone here and certainly on many other topics non-relevent to DIII football or any football in some cases (of course with some very crazy bantering as well, allthough I will admit I'm benn guilty of that at times as well as I think most everyone has at one time or another), and I don't recall you making a comment towards them about it, yet again, IMO, you shouldn't.  Heck, I've particpated on other boards, including the one I think you are referring to, and while many have replied back, shared their opinons wih me and others, some don't even answer back, which is obviously their perogative, but IMO, a little arrogent and disappointing.  But really then, who should care?; it's their perogative.  So I guess according to you, I should then not "encourage (prod to use your term) others on other boards to post?  It shouldn't matter if Raider68 is on this board a lot, a least he is encourageing others to participate and you should welcome that and ANY appropriate posting on any of the boards.  I've supported you on many issues in which others have either disagreed with you and/or perhaps attacked you, and while I know you certainly don't need me to defend your opinions, my apolgoies, but I felt compelled to respond to your post.  Sorry, but again I disagree with you on this one, friend.

So now that I've said that and purged myself by venting, in all sincerity, I wish you and your family and for that matter, everyone here a very Happy New Year's Eve and weekend and certainly all the best for 2011.  Anyway, for what it's worth, thanks for making this board even possible.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:52:13 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 30, 2010, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on December 30, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
Raider,

I'll try to answer your questions. In regards to finishing in the top 10, I'm not sure. I believe they will reload and put another solid team on the field that can win the MIAA but I'm not sure if they will be as dominant as they were this year. If they get a favorable match up in the second round, I believe they can win a second round game. Trine has gotten two less than favorable matchups the last 2 years in Wittenberg in 09 and Whitewater in 10 but everyone is tough in the tourney. I don't think another MIAA team will knock them off and win the conference but it is only December and you never know with transfers, recruiting, and other various reasons who will be on the team next year

Thanks Diesel1,

Will Coach Rich Rod survive another year at U of M?


IMO, I think if Michigan loses tomorrow, and especially if the loss margin is big and/or just not a good game for them, I think Rich Rod is gone.  I've said here before that I am not a fan his and I personally wish U of M would make the change now.  But heck, what do I know? ;D

BTW, did you guys see where Michigan State's OC Don Treadwell was named Miami (OH)'s head coach I believe today? Although he obviously wants/wanted a HC job and I think he'll be good at it, still I think it Kind of surprising he would leave Michigan State for the MAC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 02:13:48 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:52:13 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 30, 2010, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on December 30, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
Raider,

I'll try to answer your questions. In regards to finishing in the top 10, I'm not sure. I believe they will reload and put another solid team on the field that can win the MIAA but I'm not sure if they will be as dominant as they were this year. If they get a favorable match up in the second round, I believe they can win a second round game. Trine has gotten two less than favorable matchups the last 2 years in Wittenberg in 09 and Whitewater in 10 but everyone is tough in the tourney. I don't think another MIAA team will knock them off and win the conference but it is only December and you never know with transfers, recruiting, and other various reasons who will be on the team next year

Thanks Diesel1,

Will Coach Rich Rod survive another year at U of M?


IMO, I think if Michigan loses tomorrow, and especially if the loss margin is big and/or just not a good game for them, I think Rich Rod is gone.  I've said here before that I am not a fan his and I personally wish U of M would make the change now.  But heck, what do I know? ;D

BTW, did you guys see where Michigan State's OC Don Treadwell was named Miami (OH)'s head coach I believe today? Although he obviously wants/wanted a HC job and I think he'll be good at it, still I think it Kind of surprising he would leave Michigan State for the MAC.

Perhaps he is a fan of the career path of Bo Schembechler?!

Going from OSU to Miami didn't work out too badly for him. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2011, 08:00:09 AM
Well said formerd3db.  Very well said.  I much prefer Raiders prods than those from certain people that just occasionally pop in that are usually critical, sarcastic or patronizing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2011, 08:34:41 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 26, 2010, 03:59:30 PM
What can we expect from Trine in 2011?

Honestly, I don't know if Trine will be able to finish higher than #10 next year.  They are losing a lot, but also returning some great players and their depth is better than most realize.  I stopped concerning myself with the polls since I don't always agree with them, the goal is to win it all (thank goodness for the playoff system), and there is too much to overcome in order to be ranked where they should in the D3football.com poll. 

I think they can win a second playoff game, it just all depends on the matchups as noted below.  It is unfortunate Trine did not play one of the highly ranked teams during the non conference schedule to be able to show how they could do against them.  No one from the MIAA will make the playoffs except the conference winner anyway, so perhaps they can take more of a risk than what played out this year.  As long as they can win the conference they should be ok.

I think they are losing a lot, but again, the depth is there.  A lot of different kids got playing time this year other than just the starters.  Having talked to a number of players, they all seem to agree that they have a lot of talent on the team underneath them. 

Trine will be my favorite to win the MIAA again next year, but I am biased.   :)

If Michigan can get Harbaugh then I have to say goodbye to Rich Rod, regardless of the results of todays game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 01, 2011, 09:57:10 AM
Thanks Uncle Rico.  Looks like Raider's prodding worked - we're posting! ;D  Anyway, thanks for sharing your insight on Trine for next year.  Obviously, they are the favorite and as you relate, it appears they have some great depth.  Actually, that sounds quite exciting as it is a good situation for many of the players who will get their chance at moving up the depth chart, starting, etc.  I think their season this year is an example of when teams start to reach that next level as Trine has, a lot of players get the opportunity at playing time i.e. not just the starters and thus why they can maintain being at that level for awhile because they have some many players with talent and experience that can step in and play.  When a team starts winning fairly handily, while a coach doesn't always want to pull the starters too quickly, on the other hand, being up in the score on some games as Trine did, provides that opportunity for some of the other players to get that p.t. and experience.  Thus, when they're called on in certain situations when those may arise, the confidence is there that..."the team won't miss a beat".  A true luxery IMO.

Anyway, hope you have a great New Year's Day today in watching the games.  It should be interesting.  I'd like to see Northwestern pull one out (since they lost their bowl game last year in a close one), however, I think that Texas Tech will quite possibly overwhelm them.  Both teams have those wide-open offenses that can score points "whirlwind like", yet I think Northwestern's defense has a tendency to cave in at times.  I sense that it will either be a shoot-out or a blow-out! ;D ::)  I think Michigan State and Michigan both lose today and Wisconsin, whle they may have a good chance if they play their "A" game, I think TCU is too strong.  I'm rooting, of course, for the Big Ten teams, but, I have reservations. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 01, 2011, 10:04:56 AM
Mr. Ypsi:

Yes, that path has proven good for many.  We'll see what happens. If he wins there fairly quickly, most likely we'll see him bolting for the first really "big time" job that opens.

BTW, what do you think about the report that Weis is going to leave the Kansas City Chiefs in the NFL to go to Miami as OC?  IMO, I think his talents and philosophy belong more in the NFL rather than the college game.  Not sure why he would want to leave since he actually did a great job with their offense this year.  One ESPN report said that it could be the $, however, I question that as I can't imagine he doesn't have enough $ from his past coaching jobs (even if he didn't win his frivilous lawsuit against his cardiac surgeons, which he should not have anyway ;) :P).  Maybe he just wants to go south for the warmth! ::) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Wow, did you have a bad day today or what? :o  Actually Pat, I am quite surprised you make such a comment.

Actually, I have said the same elsewhere as well. It's not much different than someone popping in and saying "why aren't we talking about suchandsuch" rather than just talking about suchandsuch to start the conversation.

Sorry if this upsets you guys, but it is how I feel. This has been bothering me for some time, as I said, and I finally was able to put it into words.

Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PMIf you think so strong on it, why don't you then make a comment to those other "Raiders" on that other board whom you think run that one.

Seriously? Because it's the OAC board and the Purple Raiders are certainly on-topic there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 01, 2011, 04:38:45 PM
All of this "prodding" about Trine and I kinda have to stay quiet, because I don't really know much past the fact that Watt is a good QB or maybe really good, but not a big a difference to solely make a team go from 10-0 to 2-8 or 3-5.

But besides Watt and Jeremy Howard, I don't see any other seniors whos names a recognize so I can only assume they aren't great players...

I'd say based on that as long as Trine has a solid year from their QB (whoever it will be) they will make another undefeated run for the MIAA championship. I don't however think Trine will win 2 games unless they are a 1 seed or can get a team coming off an upset...

But, there's no reason for you to listen to a Scot - who while we're on the topic will be ready to bounce back from that horrible season with the return of RS sophomore, Jarrett Leister, along with our whole "back 7" on defense...

But anyways, hope you all had great holidays, and remember, always, Go Scots!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM
OUCH!  The Big Ten goes 0-5 today.  I can't decide which is more painful:

1.  In Big Ten vs. SEC matchups, the SEC went 3-0 by a combined score of 138-45.  Their supporters were already insufferable; this should turn it up another notch. :P

2.  Having watched much of the games (I don't get ESPN-U for the Northwestern game, and often switched away from both UM and MSU in utter disgust), I am STILL convinced that Penn St. was better than Florida (driving for a late TD that would give them a 31-30 lead, they threw an interception, returned EIGHTY yards for a Gator TD) and that Wisconsin was better than TCU.  Alas, the scoreboard says otherwise. :(

The one bit of good news is that I can't imagine that Dave Brandon won't totally clean house.  Both defense and special teams absolutely stink, and even the offense (RR's only hope for redemption) could only score 14 first quarter points against a team that just wasn't THAT good.

[I just wish that TCU had joined the Big East earlier to keep out UConn (surely the worst team to ever play in a BCS bowl).  Any team that can only score TEN points against the Michigan defense should not be within sniffing distance of a BCS bowl!]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 01, 2011, 09:59:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM


The one bit of good news is that I can't imagine that Dave Brandon won't totally clean house.  Both defense and special teams absolutely stink, and even the offense (RR's only hope for redemption) could only score 14 first quarter points against a team that just wasn't THAT good.



Mississippi State's 4 losses were to #1 Auburn, #8 Arkansas in OT, #10 LSU and #15 Alabama.  Their record belies their abilities.  This was a mismatch from the day it was announced.  Michigan should have been in either the Texas Bowl or Insight.com bowl giving up 50 points to Missouri or Baylor.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 01, 2011, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 28, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Come on guys, let's keep this board warm! ;D ;D

Thank you Raider68 for trying to keep people interested in the board, I enjoy the insight that everyone brings to this board whether its from the MIAA, OAC, Maine or Bahamas.  Football talk is football talk.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 01, 2011, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 01, 2011, 10:04:56 AM
Mr. Ypsi:



BTW, what do you think about the report that Weis is going to leave the Kansas City Chiefs in the NFL to go to Miami as OC?  IMO, I think his talents and philosophy belong more in the NFL rather than the college game.  Not sure why he would want to leave since he actually did a great job with their offense this year.  One ESPN report said that it could be the $, however, I question that as I can't imagine he doesn't have enough $ from his past coaching jobs (even if he didn't win his frivilous lawsuit against his cardiac surgeons, which he should not have anyway ;) :P).  Maybe he just wants to go south for the warmth! ::) ;D ;)

It was reported that Weiss didn't see eye to eye with someone within either the KC organization or coaching staff.    Muschamp wants to run a pro-set offense, and you know......Weiss and his schematic advantages and all.   Plus, yes Florida was able to throw a nice truckload of money at him to be an assistant.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: sac on January 01, 2011, 09:59:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM


The one bit of good news is that I can't imagine that Dave Brandon won't totally clean house.  Both defense and special teams absolutely stink, and even the offense (RR's only hope for redemption) could only score 14 first quarter points against a team that just wasn't THAT good.



Mississippi State's 4 losses were to #1 Auburn, #8 Arkansas in OT, #10 LSU and #15 Alabama.  Their record belies their abilities.  This was a mismatch from the day it was announced.  Michigan should have been in either the Texas Bowl or Insight.com bowl giving up 50 points to Missouri or Baylor.

Yeah, I'm aware that the southern MSU lost only to really good teams, but I watched much of the game - they are not THAT good.  We already knew that the defense and special teams sucked; today we learned that the offense is not THAT good either. :P

I hope than Brandon will clean house.  And, considering their recent record against MSU teams, I sure hope they don't have Montana State (Morgan State, etc.; hell, Montclair State! ;D) on the schedule! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 01, 2011, 11:05:08 PM
While I'm here I might as well share my feelings on UM football.....

I've been a RR supporter since day 1, I couldn't believe they got him and really still can't.  He has a great mind for the offense he runs, and I'm as convinced as ever it will work against anyone.  He just had a season with a first year starting true Sophomore QB who rushed for and passed for 1,500 yards.....the first to ever do that in NCAA history.  Let that sink in.

To truely understand how I feel, you have to understand what I believe about Michigan football.......its has sucked since 2005.  2006 was a glorious anamoly in which the right combination of future NFL players gathered on both offense and defense, and the Big 10 was the worst offensively in its modern history.  2006 was good, but in any other year, they probably win 8 games.......they almost, and should have lost to Ball State.


2005 and 2007 could have easily been losing seasons.......I mean easily in the sense they were dead lucky to be 7-5 both years.  Michigan's defensive problems began long before anyone on the current defensive staff arrived at Michigan.  They haven't tackled well for at least 5 years, the safeties have been mediocre to terrible the entire last decade etc. etc.  The Governor of Pennsylvania would say there's been a culture of wusiness on defense and he'd be right.

I do believe that people have severely overestimated the talent pool at Michigan for some time.  Rich just hasn't had the talent of the old Michigan people remember.  The last couple NFL drafts speak to that , and this springs will be even more sparse...to say nothing of the last 3 All-big 10 teams.  So in short, its my feelings Michigan hasn't been Michigan for at least 6 years, the program had been declining before Rich Rod was even in the picture.


The current state of the program........


Football is a game of 3 phases offense, defense, special teams and this year Michigan was simply horrible in 2 of them, and not very good against good teams on offense.  Since 2008 they have steadily improved on offense, but the defense and special teams have declined, to the point where they are a joke.....a really bad one in which the same mistakes are made over and over and over.  A new defensive coordinator isn't going to answer the problems of a young, undersized defense, that next year, is still going to be young and undersized.....only now without one of the Big 10's leading tacklesr and the last couple of a long recent list of mediocre defensive linemen.  (Take this years horrific depth chart in the secondary, and that will be next years Michigan defensive line)  We can hope, but I just don't see much to say Michigan will be better on defense next year........other than the old saying, "it can't be worse".


Coaching is a major problem on defense.....Greg Robinson was a desperate hire, a coach who destroyed Syracuse and had one good year at Texas and a couple in the NFL.   My God, he ran a 3 man front on 4th and 2 today......Simply put.....he's gone.  And I don't know who would replace him, and I won't get into which direction it might or might not go.  All I know is, if RR stays, the D co-ordinator has to go.

On top of the above, RR hasn't caught too many breaks at Michigan.  Starting with a media crusade from day 1 to get him fired.  A media crusade that severely overstated NCAA violations, which again actually began before RR even arrived at Michigan.  Injuries to every QB who has ever taken a snap, players going pro.....including one who didn't even get drafted and would have been their best DB this year.  And so many recruiting misses of impact players on defense its not even funny......example Jelani Jenkins, Florida.

I'm a more patient guy than most, so I'd like to see this play out.   I think he should get another year.  But here's the thing.   The Michigan fan base has been divided for a long time now.........first it was pro-Lloyd, anti-Lloyd and as soon as RR was hired, it was pro-RR anti-RR,.....and today didn't make that split any better.   To me Harbaugh is the only guy 100% of the fanbase would probably get behind.   

After the last few games, I'm just kind of numb to all the talk, I want him to stay but if he's fired I can understand why and it will probably change how I view the Michigan fanbase and culture forever.  I'm sort of indifferent to it all right now.   It will just be painful to sit through another 3 or 4 year rebuilding, especially when I write those checks for my tickets. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 01, 2011, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: sac on January 01, 2011, 09:59:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM


The one bit of good news is that I can't imagine that Dave Brandon won't totally clean house.  Both defense and special teams absolutely stink, and even the offense (RR's only hope for redemption) could only score 14 first quarter points against a team that just wasn't THAT good.



Mississippi State's 4 losses were to #1 Auburn, #8 Arkansas in OT, #10 LSU and #15 Alabama.  Their record belies their abilities.  This was a mismatch from the day it was announced.  Michigan should have been in either the Texas Bowl or Insight.com bowl giving up 50 points to Missouri or Baylor.

Yeah, I'm aware that the southern MSU lost only to really good teams, but I watched much of the game - they are not THAT good.  We already knew that the defense and special teams sucked; today we learned that the offense is not THAT good either. :P

I hope than Brandon will clean house.  And, considering their recent record against MSU teams, I sure hope they don't have Montana State (Morgan State, etc.; hell, Montclair State! ;D) on the schedule! ::)

Chuck according to Massy Mississippi State's defense was #14, Michigan's offense was #17
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
Massey be damned, I'm trusting my eyeballs. ;)  Mississippi State was certainly NOT a bad team (or even a mediocre team) but they were not AS good as Michigan made them look.

I agree with most of what you said in your longer post, and would not even be distraught if RR came back (as long as GR is kaput).  The offense IS exciting (even if they never smelled a score after the first quarter).  And the demise did precede RR's arrival (Brandon Graham covered up a lot of deficiencies ;)).

They have GOT to turn it around - anything less than top 10 most years is just NOT acceptable.  If RR plus decent defensive coaches does it - cool.  If it means Jim Harbaugh (Brady Hoke, Ron English, ...) - cool.  I have no particular idea what it takes, but just do it!

Hell, if it means outbidding OSU for Jim Tressel, JUST DO IT! ;)*

[*Nike did not pay me for this post! ;D]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 01, 2011, 11:53:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Wow, did you have a bad day today or what? :o  Actually Pat, I am quite surprised you make such a comment.

Actually, I have said the same elsewhere as well. It's not much different than someone popping in and saying "why aren't we talking about suchandsuch" rather than just talking about suchandsuch to start the conversation.

Sorry if this upsets you guys, but it is how I feel. This has been bothering me for some time, as I said, and I finally was able to put it into words.

Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PMIf you think so strong on it, why don't you then make a comment to those other "Raiders" on that other board whom you think run that one.


Seriously? Because it's the OAC board and the Purple Raiders are certainly on-topic there.
'

Yes, seriously Pat.  I'm sorry too if our disagreement with you upsets you as well.  Your analogy is stretching it a bit, Pat.  You should welcome any and all posting within the parameters I mentioned.  I guess then, that we can "agree to disagree" as that saying goes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2011, 12:10:26 AM
sac and Ypsi:

I think that after today's performance, Brandon has to let RR and staff go.  As far as you being a RR supporter sac, I respect that as your opinion.  All of us can disagree on coaching styles regarding the game itself.  However, that is a different aspect than from the person themselves.  I happen to know someone who's brother has coached with RR at two different places and from what I was told, he is not well-liked by many and I can see why, based on those aspects.  Of course, you and or others may call me out because admittedly, I have never met the man and what I've been told is in the legal sense considered  "hearsay".  However, I will say that it came from very reliable sources.  I also didn't care for the way RR's hiring went down nor the way he handled his own situation at WVU - he was quite disingenuous about some of that, although I'm sure the other opposing parties were as well to some degree.  Overall, I'm glad he lost his lawsuit, or at least didn't get all he was asking.  He certainly needed to take some responsibility for seeing out the Michigan job - he certainly had enough $ to live on at WVU, his own alma mater.  I'm not saying one can't have the desire to improve themselves or consider other jobs - heck, you, I and everyone knows that college football is a business now (I dare say even to a degree at the DII and DIII levels at many places) and coaches are fired all the time (look at how Friedgren was dumped by Maryland - their AD did it in a very poor way and unprofessional way IMO, although I will say "what goes around, comes around" since Freidgren bad-mouthed our very own Ron Vanderlinden of Albion College when the latter was fired and Friedgren took his place).  But it also comes down to how someone relates to other people and how they conduct themselves.  And from what I've been told by this very reliable source and from what I've seen from RR, I am not a fan of his as I've mentioned.  I put RR, Weis and Saben (and even Kelly) all in the same category, which is sad.  You and others may disagree with me, and that's okay, but that is how I feel.

I agree with you that Harbaugh would be the best choice and I hope he would take the job, but I am very doubtful that will happen.  I am not sure who is on the "short list" by Brandon and his colleagues.  It will be interesting to see what happens.

And finally, yes, the Big Ten flopped horribly today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 02, 2011, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM
[I just wish that TCU had joined the Big East earlier to keep out UConn (surely the worst team to ever play in a BCS bowl).  Any team that can only score TEN points against the Michigan defense should not be within sniffing distance of a BCS bowl!]

You never know, Uconn could pull another Washington over Nebraska type of upset...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2011, 02:18:52 PM
Regarding some follow-up on the RR discussion, I will say that I felt sorry for RR early last evening during the post bowl game press conference.  Some jerk reporters were pounding him with the perverbial questions..."do you think you'll be fired this week?" and "what kind of effect do you think your team's performance today will have on the decision by your AD on your job", etc., etc.  In all fairness to RR, I think he handled those questions very well and with some calm, instead of pulling "a Bobby Knight" type of response.  Those idiot reporters deserve a "pasting" and should know better, but we know they don't. ;D

Anyway, if RR does "get the hook" this week, who do any of you see as being in the running besides Harbaugh, if the latter doesn't pull himself out of the pool?  

As to the UConn game, I did not expect them to beat Oklahoma.  They aren't too bad of a team - actually better than the MAC teams and the Big East, well... those teams weren't exactly much better than the Big Ten teams this year.  It sure seemed to be a weird year per se for many of these teams as some were "up one week and down the next", a real yo-yo.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 02, 2011, 02:35:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 02, 2011, 02:18:52 PM
Regarding some follow-up on the RR discussion, I will say that I felt sorry for RR early last evening during the post bowl game press conference.  Some jerk reporters were pounding him with the perverbial questions..."do you think you'll be fired this week?" and "what kind of effect do you think your team's performance today will have on the decision by your AD on your job", etc., etc.  I all fairness to RR, I think he handled those questions very well and with some calm, instead of pulling "a Bobby Knight" type of response.  Those idiot reporters deserve a "pasting" and should know better, but we know they don't. ;D


They've been asking and writing stupid articles about when/if he should be fired since before he even coached his first game at Michigan.  The press surrounding Michigan football is as negative and vile as its ever been, and its been like that for some time.



The only other "Michigan Man" candidate (which is just a stupid concept) would be Brady Hoke from San Diego State.  Anyone outside of those two who doesn't already own a National Championship ring or two and it would be more of the same division among the fan base.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on January 02, 2011, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Wow, did you have a bad day today or what? :o  Actually Pat, I am quite surprised you make such a comment.

Actually, I have said the same elsewhere as well. It's not much different than someone popping in and saying "why aren't we talking about suchandsuch" rather than just talking about suchandsuch to start the conversation.

Sorry if this upsets you guys, but it is how I feel. This has been bothering me for some time, as I said, and I finally was able to put it into words.

Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PMIf you think so strong on it, why don't you then make a comment to those other "Raiders" on that other board whom you think run that one.

Seriously? Because it's the OAC board and the Purple Raiders are certainly on-topic there.

Actually this has been bother me for a while too and I finally figured out how to put in words:

Pat, you sound like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum after being picked last for dodege ball in gym class or something. I could really care less if you kick me off this forum or not, but the more posts of yours that I read, the less I vistit the web site. If I was Raider I would tel you to get bent,
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 02, 2011, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 02, 2011, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM
[I just wish that TCU had joined the Big East earlier to keep out UConn (surely the worst team to ever play in a BCS bowl).  Any team that can only score TEN points against the Michigan defense should not be within sniffing distance of a BCS bowl!]

You never know, Uconn could pull another Washington over Nebraska type of upset...

I think the best part of this post is that it was written this morning nearly 11 hours after Oklahoma beat UConn. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2011, 10:04:48 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 02, 2011, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM
[I just wish that TCU had joined the Big East earlier to keep out UConn (surely the worst team to ever play in a BCS bowl).  Any team that can only score TEN points against the Michigan defense should not be within sniffing distance of a BCS bowl!]

You never know, Uconn could pull another Washington over Nebraska type of upset...

I think the best part of this post is that it was written this morning nearly 11 hours after Oklahoma beat UConn. ;)

Now, sac, be fair - Oklahoma only beat 'em by 4 TDs! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2011, 11:16:52 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on January 02, 2011, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Wow, did you have a bad day today or what? :o  Actually Pat, I am quite surprised you make such a comment.

Actually, I have said the same elsewhere as well. It's not much different than someone popping in and saying "why aren't we talking about suchandsuch" rather than just talking about suchandsuch to start the conversation.

Sorry if this upsets you guys, but it is how I feel. This has been bothering me for some time, as I said, and I finally was able to put it into words.

Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PMIf you think so strong on it, why don't you then make a comment to those other "Raiders" on that other board whom you think run that one.

Seriously? Because it's the OAC board and the Purple Raiders are certainly on-topic there.

Actually this has been bother me for a while too and I finally figured out how to put in words:

Pat, you sound like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum after being picked last for dodege ball in gym class or something. I could really care less if you kick me off this forum or not, but the more posts of yours that I read, the less I vistit the web site. If I was Raider I would tel you to get bent,

Duly noted.

I am sure that there are Trine fans who are not Pat Coleman fans but there are plenty of teams' fans who don't like unbiased opinions, and I don't really sugar-coat for anyone. That's one thing that is fairly consistent among the tens of thousands of posts I've made.

Considering your last half-dozen or so posts have been made simply to rag on me, I'm not at all surprised you chose to speak up again now. Surely you must have something positive to talk about as a Trine fan in the past month, yes?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 03, 2011, 12:33:23 AM
I don't normally watch all that many NFL games, but today I felt like vegging on my new leather couch in front of my new 46" HD flat-screen, watched a triple-header, and was rewarded with three wins!

The Lions started it with their fourth straight victory (just when I'd finally given up caring about the Pussycats, they go and get respectable! ;))

Then the Packers make the playoffs (I normally have no real favorite between the Bears and Packers, but the Bears were already locked into the #2 seed, and better the Packers than the Giants).

Finally, the Seahawks beat the Rams - two teams I could not care less about, but I can hardly wait to hear the screams of outrage as the defending Super Bowl champs have to go on the road to meet a team with a losing record! :o :D  [It seems a slightly more extreme version of UWW fans bitching about having to go to NCC! ;D]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 03, 2011, 07:01:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 02, 2011, 02:18:52 PM
Regarding some follow-up on the RR discussion, I will say that I felt sorry for RR early last evening during the post bowl game press conference.  Some jerk reporters were pounding him with the perverbial questions..."do you think you'll be fired this week?" and "what kind of effect do you think your team's performance today will have on the decision by your AD on your job", etc., etc.  In all fairness to RR, I think he handled those questions very well and with some calm, instead of pulling "a Bobby Knight" type of response.  Those idiot reporters deserve a "pasting" and should know better, but we know they don't. ;D

Anyway, if RR does "get the hook" this week, who do any of you see as being in the running besides Harbaugh, if the latter doesn't pull himself out of the pool?  

As to the UConn game, I did not expect them to beat Oklahoma.  They aren't too bad of a team - actually better than the MAC teams and the Big East, well... those teams weren't exactly much better than the Big Ten teams this year.  It sure seemed to be a weird year per se for many of these teams as some were "up one week and down the next", a real yo-yo.  

The press can be brutal. So I see your point on the Coach RR issue. It appears that U of M could make a change soon, but finding the right coach could and should be well thought out. A Michigan alum would be great, but at this point that may not be likely. The program needs credibility big time, so a careful selection process is key. It would not hurt to form a small committee (former alums/players) this time vs. just the AD to appoint someone IMHO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2011, 12:19:41 PM
I would have to agree, Raider68, that a committee would be the best approach.  However, I don't know if that will happen, probably not (or, the committee with be a few people AD Brandon, former coach Lloyd Carr and the President of the University).  We'll see what happens.

Mr. Ypsi: Congratulations on your new lounge chair!  That will be great for football (and bb watching).  Enjoy!  Also, like you, I am not an NFL fan, but...due to no college bowl games being on yesterday, I foreced myself to watch the games, which were pretty good.  It was good to see Garcon catch the TD pass.  I looked for the Wheaton player on the Titans, but didn't see if he got in the game, however, admittedly, I only caught the last portions of the game.

While there will be some good bowl games remaining, I am looking forward to watching the FCS Championship game this Friday night with Delaware vs. Eastern Washington.  I expect that will be a good game and I hope they have a good crowd down in Texas as they moved it from the U of Chattenooga's great stadium where it has been held the last several years.  BTW, do you or anyone know why the NCAA moved that championship game?  I'm assuming (and this is obviously only speculation on my part) it was done to make the FCS title game "somewhat" more in line with the BCS's FCS title game i.e. more on a "national" perspective since both diviisions are "technically, uh perhaps "semanitcally" is the better term ;D) DI. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2011, 01:57:26 PM
Well, the date move was because of the longer season -- they expanded the playoffs by a week, pushing the championship game back. And since that pushed it back into the week of Christmas, they kicked it back even further.

I suppose Frisco bid more than Chattanooga.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
Pat:

Thanks for the follow-up info.  I had forgotten that they expanded the playoffs.  You are probably right about the other organization/city in the usual "bidding war".  It obviously always comes down to that (i.e. the $ ;)), even though Chattenooga has done a nice job in hosting that championship like Salem has for DIII.  

BTW, who are you picking as the favorite (or rooting for, if you have a preference) - Delaware or Eastern Washington?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
From the D-III perspective, go Delaware, because although K.C. Keeler was pretty much universally disliked when he coached Rowan, I still think it reflects better on D-III if he has success in FCS.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
Yes, I know what you mean and agree with you.  Besides, I am a Michigan man (my late dad being an alum of Michigan) and I like Delware's uniforms in that regard! ;D  Their former now retired coach who Keeler played and took over for, Harold "Tubby" Raymond, brought that to Delaware from Fritz Crisler of Michigan, as I understand the story goes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 03, 2011, 07:05:48 PM
Hey, does anyone know if the Calvin/Hope at Hope is going to be b roadcasted on WHT? Or is it only going to be the one at Calvin cuz I can't find it on my DirecTv guide...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 03, 2011, 07:10:26 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 03, 2011, 07:05:48 PM
Hey, does anyone know if the Calvin/Hope at Hope is going to be b roadcasted on WHT? Or is it only going to be the one at Calvin cuz I can't find it on my DirecTv guide...

I'm sure you meant this for basketball,.......because you know Calvin football doesn't exist......but no, Wed's game will not be on WHT(World Harvest Television), it will be on WGVU in the Grand Rapids area.

The Saturday game later in January @ Calvin will be picked up by WHT.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 03, 2011, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 03, 2011, 12:19:41 PM
I would have to agree, Raider68, that a committee would be the best approach.  However, I don't know if that will happen, probably not (or, the committee with be a few people AD Brandon, former coach Lloyd Carr and the President of the University).  We'll see what happens.


Dave Brandon politely encouraged Lloyd to remove himself from his University position this past fall and retire.  I don't believe he will be seeking any advice from Lloyd on this one.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 03, 2011, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: sac on January 03, 2011, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 03, 2011, 12:19:41 PM
I would have to agree, Raider68, that a committee would be the best approach.  However, I don't know if that will happen, probably not (or, the committee with be a few people AD Brandon, former coach Lloyd Carr and the President of the University).  We'll see what happens.


Dave Brandon politely encouraged Lloyd to remove himself from his University position this past fall and retire.  I don't believe he will be seeking any advice from Lloyd on this one.



I wasn't aware of that.  Are you saying that Brandon wants to be the sole determinor of these aspects? Does he not get along with Carr (it is well known that many "higher ups" didn't always agree or like Carr - personality issues/presentation- but he actually did a pretty good job). I would think that Brandon would benefit from at least hearing his opinion even if he decides against it.  It is also known among the "inner circles" that it was Carr who was primarily responsible for Les Miles not gettng the Michigan job instead of RR, although that decision was justified (some real not so professional behind-the-scenes problems with Miles that are not generally known among the public).  Hiring Miles, IMO, would have been a mistake as well.   Also, if Brandon is desiring to make the decision soley by himslef, I'm not sure that will happen because the President always has some say in this, although IMO, she's not qualified/knowledgable enough to make that decision.  Anyway, it will be a real "nail-biting" week for some until we find out how the decision comes down and what it finally is.  There may be some surprises regardless of which way it goes. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: skunks_sidekick on January 04, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
Hello Mr. Y......(uh oh...another Raider fan posting on this board.... ;))

I wanted to ask you about a billboard I saw in Cleveland last week.  EMU is advertising in the Cleveland market and the board says "pay in-state tuition".  Is that universal to all universities (state) in Michigan, or just EMU?  Can any Ohio resident get in-state tuition rates?

It was the first time I have ever seen it.......

Ok...back to your original programming.  Oh...one more thing......I LOVE RR....one more year...one more year....he he he(darn it feels good to be an OSU fan and be on the WINNING side of this rival).   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 04, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on January 04, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
Hello Mr. Y......(uh oh...another Raider fan posting on this board.... ;))

I wanted to ask you about a billboard I saw in Cleveland last week.  EMU is advertising in the Cleveland market and the board says "pay in-state tuition".  Is that universal to all universities (state) in Michigan, or just EMU?  Can any Ohio resident get in-state tuition rates?

It was the first time I have ever seen it.......

Ok...back to your original programming.  Oh...one more thing......I LOVE RR....one more year...one more year....he he he(darn it feels good to be an OSU fan and be on the WINNING side of this rival).   ;D

Anyone heard anything from Ann Arbor? Jim Harbaugh won his game, big, now he can stay put or look for other opportunities! Wonder what the odd are? ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 04, 2011, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 04, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on January 04, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
Hello Mr. Y......(uh oh...another Raider fan posting on this board.... ;))

I wanted to ask you about a billboard I saw in Cleveland last week.  EMU is advertising in the Cleveland market and the board says "pay in-state tuition".  Is that universal to all universities (state) in Michigan, or just EMU?  Can any Ohio resident get in-state tuition rates?

It was the first time I have ever seen it.......

Ok...back to your original programming.  Oh...one more thing......I LOVE RR....one more year...one more year....he he he(darn it feels good to be an OSU fan and be on the WINNING side of this rival).   ;D

Anyone heard anything from Ann Arbor? Jim Harbaugh won his game, big, now he can stay put or look for other opportunities! Wonder what the odd are? ;D

He's been politely asked to leave.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 04, 2011, 04:15:28 PM
Quote from: sac on January 04, 2011, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 04, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on January 04, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
Hello Mr. Y......(uh oh...another Raider fan posting on this board.... ;))

I wanted to ask you about a billboard I saw in Cleveland last week.  EMU is advertising in the Cleveland market and the board says "pay in-state tuition".  Is that universal to all universities (state) in Michigan, or just EMU?  Can any Ohio resident get in-state tuition rates?

It was the first time I have ever seen it.......

Ok...back to your original programming.  Oh...one more thing......I LOVE RR....one more year...one more year....he he he(darn it feels good to be an OSU fan and be on the WINNING side of this rival).   ;D

Anyone heard anything from Ann Arbor? Jim Harbaugh won his game, big, now he can stay put or look for other opportunities! Wonder what the odd are? ;D

He's been politely asked to leave.

Maybe, I guess that isn't official yet, but everybody's running with it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2011, 04:24:31 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on January 04, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
Hello Mr. Y......(uh oh...another Raider fan posting on this board.... ;))

I wanted to ask you about a billboard I saw in Cleveland last week.  EMU is advertising in the Cleveland market and the board says "pay in-state tuition".  Is that universal to all universities (state) in Michigan, or just EMU?  Can any Ohio resident get in-state tuition rates?

It was the first time I have ever seen it.......

Ok...back to your original programming.  Oh...one more thing......I LOVE RR....one more year...one more year....he he he(darn it feels good to be an OSU fan and be on the WINNING side of this rival).   ;D

Sorry, I don't know the answers to your questions.  I'm pretty sure it started as a reciprocal relationship of EMU and U of Toledo that each would give in-state tuition to students from the other's geographical vicinity (defined as what, I don't know); apparently EMU has now expanded it to all of Ohio (or at least northern Ohio?).  Whether or not this applies to other Michigan schools, I just don't know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 04, 2011, 06:01:23 PM
Eastern/Toledo tuition agreement.

If you like weeding through legal stuff......and who doesn't.  This link is for you

http://www.house.mi.gov/SessionDocs/2009-2010/Testimony/Committee2-10-21-2009.pdf

Indeed it is an agreement to let Michigan and Ohio residents pay in-state tuition to attend either school.  The agreement runs out this year, and can be renewed every two years for two years.

Although it sounds quite lopsided in EMU's favor, as Toledo agrees to accept only Monroe County residents, and EMU accepts all Ohio residents, along with Monroe Community  College doing the same.  Interesting program.


So I guess now, Eastern Michigan is the "school up north".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on January 04, 2011, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2011, 11:16:52 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on January 02, 2011, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Wow, did you have a bad day today or what? :o  Actually Pat, I am quite surprised you make such a comment.

Actually, I have said the same elsewhere as well. It's not much different than someone popping in and saying "why aren't we talking about suchandsuch" rather than just talking about suchandsuch to start the conversation.

Sorry if this upsets you guys, but it is how I feel. This has been bothering me for some time, as I said, and I finally was able to put it into words.

Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PMIf you think so strong on it, why don't you then make a comment to those other "Raiders" on that other board whom you think run that one.

Seriously? Because it's the OAC board and the Purple Raiders are certainly on-topic there.

Actually this has been bother me for a while too and I finally figured out how to put in words:

Pat, you sound like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum after being picked last for dodege ball in gym class or something. I could really care less if you kick me off this forum or not, but the more posts of yours that I read, the less I vistit the web site. If I was Raider I would tel you to get bent,

Duly noted.

I am sure that there are Trine fans who are not Pat Coleman fans but there are plenty of teams' fans who don't like unbiased opinions, and I don't really sugar-coat for anyone. That's one thing that is fairly consistent among the tens of thousands of posts I've made.

Considering your last half-dozen or so posts have been made simply to rag on me, I'm not at all surprised you chose to speak up again now. Surely you must have something positive to talk about as a Trine fan in the past month, yes?

"Let's discuss sports in a postive way"

My last six or so posts were in response to your sarcastic replies to fan discussion on the board. You seem to think that everyone on here is a nerdy reporter that should have checked all their facts and be 100% accurate on everything they post, when in fact most are just simply fans that are expressing their biased views on their team based on the fact they are an alum, they have a kid on the team, or they attend school. And as far as positive things to say about Trine, I have plenty but I am very sensitive and I simply couldn't handle your expert criticism based on your thousands of posts (which you mention often) it would just cruch my self esteem knowing that you had somethng negative to say to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 04, 2011, 11:01:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2011, 11:16:52 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on January 02, 2011, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
Wow, did you have a bad day today or what? :o  Actually Pat, I am quite surprised you make such a comment.

Actually, I have said the same elsewhere as well. It's not much different than someone popping in and saying "why aren't we talking about suchandsuch" rather than just talking about suchandsuch to start the conversation.

Sorry if this upsets you guys, but it is how I feel. This has been bothering me for some time, as I said, and I finally was able to put it into words.

Quote from: formerd3db on December 31, 2010, 11:42:32 PMIf you think so strong on it, why don't you then make a comment to those other "Raiders" on that other board whom you think run that one.

Seriously? Because it's the OAC board and the Purple Raiders are certainly on-topic there.

Actually this has been bother me for a while too and I finally figured out how to put in words:

Pat, you sound like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum after being picked last for dodege ball in gym class or something. I could really care less if you kick me off this forum or not, but the more posts of yours that I read, the less I vistit the web site. If I was Raider I would tel you to get bent,

Duly noted.

I am sure that there are Trine fans who are not Pat Coleman fans but there are plenty of teams' fans who don't like unbiased opinions, and I don't really sugar-coat for anyone. That's one thing that is fairly consistent among the tens of thousands of posts I've made.

Considering your last half-dozen or so posts have been made simply to rag on me, I'm not at all surprised you chose to speak up again now. Surely you must have something positive to talk about as a Trine fan in the past month, yes?

No one minds unbiased opinions.  No one is asking you to sugar coat things, but your written skills many times comes across as sarcastic, condescending, and patronizing, if you have a difference of opinion.  Almost as if you have a disdain for those of us not graced with your knowledge of D3.  Rather than use the forum as a way to share knowledge, it comes across as a bully pulpit from which you will leap in to a discussion and punish those of us without the keen insight you feel you have.  I fully admit not knowing as much as you regarding the breadth of D3 football, but the way you often respond does not promote good hearted discussion.  Maybe I am just a sensitive guy and take things the wrong way. Perhaps if we were at the bar downing a few cold ones and talking smack your comments might have a different feel.  Translating thoughts / intents into written word can be somewhat of an art, and I sometimes wonder if you do not care how you come across.  And that's fine too.  But don't expect people to always appreciate that attitude and ignore it all the time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2011, 01:49:11 AM
Well, latest word is that RichRod has not (yet) been fired - meeting again tomorrow.

My take on this is that Dave Brandon is in WAY over his head.  I was never certain how selling third-rate pizzas (upgraded to second-rate AFTER he left) qualified him to run an athletic program, but maybe that's just me.  As I understand it, RR could have been terminated FOR CAUSE (hence, no buy-out) after the NCAA sanctions, but Brandon declared those to be off-limits (thus costing the U $2.5 million once the inevitable happens, down from $4 million if the deed was done in a timely fashion).  And this is the guy who apparently will be the SOLE determinant of the next coach.  Can anyone tell me why I should be confident in this matter?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on January 05, 2011, 02:44:48 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2011, 01:49:11 AM
Well, latest word is that RichRod has not (yet) been fired - meeting again tomorrow.

My take on this is that Dave Brandon is in WAY over his head.  I was never certain how selling third-rate pizzas (upgraded to second-rate AFTER he left) qualified him to run an athletic program, but maybe that's just me.  As I understand it, RR could have been terminated FOR CAUSE (hence, no buy-out) after the NCAA sanctions, but Brandon declared those to be off-limits (thus costing the U $2.5 million once the inevitable happens, down from $4 million if the deed was done in a timely fashion).  And this is the guy who apparently will be the SOLE determinant of the next coach.  Can anyone tell me why I should be confident in this matter?

Is capitalized "SOLE" referencing the "one man" (no offense to the UM Prez  ;)) decision capacity or do you feel something's "fishy" along the Huron?

Agree with your premise, and unsure who'd be preferable to apply the "call outs and bow-rudders" for this stretch of water short of ghostly advice from Canham and Bo.  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 05, 2011, 11:18:51 AM
12:30 press conference, a Michigan Assistant reports everyone was fired.

PS ~ I think its real this time.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 05, 2011, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2011, 01:49:11 AM
Well, latest word is that RichRod has not (yet) been fired - meeting again tomorrow.

My take on this is that Dave Brandon is in WAY over his head.  I was never certain how selling third-rate pizzas (upgraded to second-rate AFTER he left) qualified him to run an athletic program, but maybe that's just me.  As I understand it, RR could have been terminated FOR CAUSE (hence, no buy-out) after the NCAA sanctions, but Brandon declared those to be off-limits (thus costing the U $2.5 million once the inevitable happens, down from $4 million if the deed was done in a timely fashion).  And this is the guy who apparently will be the SOLE determinant of the next coach.  Can anyone tell me why I should be confident in this matter?

I don't think you could be more wrong about Brandon, he is clearly the smartest man to wear the AD hat at Michigan since Don Canham, and its by a million miles.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 05, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: sac on January 03, 2011, 07:10:26 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 03, 2011, 07:05:48 PM
Hey, does anyone know if the Calvin/Hope at Hope is going to be b roadcasted on WHT? Or is it only going to be the one at Calvin cuz I can't find it on my DirecTv guide...

I'm sure you meant this for basketball,.......because you know Calvin football doesn't exist......but no, Wed's game will not be on WHT(World Harvest Television), it will be on WGVU in the Grand Rapids area.

The Saturday game later in January @ Calvin will be picked up by WHT.

Thanks, lol, i was looking all over the bball board for a response to my post and figured i must have been going crazy...thanks, im watching it online now as WGVU is not available in Alma...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 05, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
It would not surprize me to see Les Miles interview at U of M!   :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 06, 2011, 02:34:47 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 05, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
It would not surprize me to see Les Miles interview at U of M!   :-\

It would me
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 06, 2011, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 05, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
It would not surprize me to see Les Miles interview at U of M!   :-\

I don't see that happening at all...

Honestly I think Michigan screwed up big time firing RichRod, and now since they're not close to hiring anyone, this upcoming recruiting class is gonna suck...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 06, 2011, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 06, 2011, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 05, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
It would not surprize me to see Les Miles interview at U of M!   :-\

I don't see that happening at all...

Honestly I think Michigan screwed up big time firing RichRod, and now since they're not close to hiring anyone, this upcoming recruiting class is gonna suck...

It won't be awesome, but its not going to suck either.

Also, supposedly the job has to be posted for 1 week by state law, so whether they are perceived to be close tonight or not is really not important.  Next Wed. would be the earliest they could hire someone if that is indeed the law.

Once again the media is so far out in left field making crap up its just best to not pay attention.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2011, 09:12:50 PM
With absolutely NO insider information, here are my predictions. :D

Les Miles WILL get an interview, but will not get the job.  His time was three years ago.  His time is gone.

Brady Hoke WILL get the job.

Denard Robinson, liking the style of Brady Hoke (and NOT wanting to sit out a year) will stay.  He will start at QB next year, but MAY be beaten out by Devin Gardner before the year is out.  I'm reasonably confident on my first two predictions; this third one is very iffy. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 11:24:33 AM
Quote from: sflzman on January 06, 2011, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 05, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
It would not surprize me to see Les Miles interview at U of M!   :-\

I don't see that happening at all...

Honestly I think Michigan screwed up big time firing RichRod, and now since they're not close to hiring anyone, this upcoming recruiting class is gonna suck...
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2011, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 06, 2011, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 05, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
It would not surprize me to see Les Miles interview at U of M!   :-\

I don't see that happening at all...

Honestly I think Michigan screwed up big time firing RichRod, and now since they're not close to hiring anyone, this upcoming recruiting class is gonna suck...

It won't be awesome, but its not going to suck either.

Also, supposedly the job has to be posted for 1 week by state law, so whether they are perceived to be close tonight or not is really not important.  Next Wed. would be the earliest they could hire someone if that is indeed the law.

Once again the media is so far out in left field making crap up its just best to not pay attention.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2011, 09:12:50 PM
With absolutely NO insider information, here are my predictions. :D

Les Miles WILL get an interview, but will not get the job.  His time was three years ago.  His time is gone.

Brady Hoke WILL get the job.

Denard Robinson, liking the style of Brady Hoke (and NOT wanting to sit out a year) will stay.  He will start at QB next year, but MAY be beaten out by Devin Gardner before the year is out.  I'm reasonably confident on my first two predictions; this third one is very iffy. ;)

sflzman:

I have to respectfully disagree with you on that one.  Rodriguez had to go.  There was no way, even if they had kept him on for one more year, that even with a decent season it would have been seen as progress enough to save his job.  Us Michigan faithful couldn't take another year of him! ;D  Seriously though, while I did not like Rodriguez style/personality or his coaching, I don't wish him any ill-will; certainly I wish him the best in his next coaching job, if/wherever that will be.  At least he will get his 2.5 million back that he had to pay WVU for getting out of his contract - he wanted the 4 million in the lawsuit, but only got 2 million, so he can't complain about not having made out pretty good in that regard. :D ;)  However, again, that was much of his own making and that is part of why I was never a fan of his, among other reasons as I've already shared here in the past.

sac;

Yeah, all those idiot pundits (most of them) have no clue.  It is amusing to hear some of their unsubstantiated speculation (sometimes pathetic, IMO), however,...I guess that is what they're paid for. ;D

Mr. Ypsi:

Although, like you, I wouldn't be surprised if Miles got an interview, yet on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't either.  I agree that he won't get the job, however.

I also think that if Hoke is offerred the job, he would take it.  SDSU wouldn't be happy, but he is a "Michigan Man" with head coaching experience, as Brandon has said the former is not necessariily a must, but the latter is.  I am not sure who else would be a "hot" prospect as yet.  I do hope that they do not bring someone in from the NFL undless that person has collegiate coaching experience.  

As far as the QB situation, do you think that Forcier will transfer or "ride it out" like the late Tom Slade did back in the '70's?  Slade was a class guy and still a good QB; it's just that he had Dennis Franklin come in.  Still, I tremendously admire how he handled that situation.  Many people do not have the courage (guts), fortitude,or personality to handle such situations.  He was a better man for that than many others could ever hope to be -Schembechler even said that himself and despite that, they both remained very close friends until Slade's death, with Schembechler dying shortly thereafter (I remember that time vividly becasuse my own mom died 4 weeks before them).  Anyway, it will be interesting to see who Michigan chooses and how the QB situation works out for next year.  I will say that as good as Robinson is, they can't rely solely as much on him as they did this year - he needs some support players.  Michigan needs to get their running game back, some better receivers and, good grief their "sieve secondary" needs some new help - or the guys who are there just need to get better ;D.  The latter was, IMO, perhaps the main downfall of Michigan this year from the field standpoint i.e. their "Achilles Heel" (or Achilles Hell"? ??? ::) :o :P ;D)  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 07, 2011, 11:32:02 AM
Maybe U of M will hire a coach that for many would be a surprize pick. At the time I thought RR was a surprize and IMHO, he was not the right fit at all.

Maybe a successful coach at a different level of college ball with a great track record vs. a popular D1 coach who does not embody what Michigan is as a school and program!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 11:40:11 AM
Raider68:

That would certainly be a great situation.  However, right now, I can't think of anyone who is like "a Tressell" was at the time he was available from Youngstown State, to use that example, although, I'm sure I must be overlooking someone.  Or more likely it is because my either a) perhaps my head is still foggy from the recent holidays or b) it's just that aging process of brain cells/memory loss, or c) a combination of both "a" and "b" ;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 07, 2011, 12:06:08 PM
Brady Hoke has a "Michigan buyout" in his SDSU contract, they knew full well when they hired him Michigan was his dream job.


Tate Forcier needs to worry about academics otherwise the choice to stay or leave Michigan might not be his own.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 07, 2011, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 11:40:11 AM
Raider68:

That would certainly be a great situation.  However, right now, I can't think of anyone who is like "a Tressell" was at the time he was available from Youngstown State, to use that example, although, I'm sure I must be overlooking someone.  Or more likely it is because my either a) perhaps my head is still foggy from the recent holidays or b) it's just that aging process of brain cells/memory loss, or c) a combination of both "a" and "b" ;D ::)

I have lost track of the coaches at a Grand Valley State and some DII schools, but there has to be another "Sweater Vest type" out there!

Oops, I forgot about the many Michigan fans who do not like him (his record against U of M). I do know of a "Top 300 wins coach" with an unbelievable
history! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 07, 2011, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 07, 2011, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 11:40:11 AM
Raider68:

That would certainly be a great situation.  However, right now, I can't think of anyone who is like "a Tressell" was at the time he was available from Youngstown State, to use that example, although, I'm sure I must be overlooking someone.  Or more likely it is because my either a) perhaps my head is still foggy from the recent holidays or b) it's just that aging process of brain cells/memory loss, or c) a combination of both "a" and "b" ;D ::)

I have lost track of the coaches at a Grand Valley State and some DII schools, but there has to be another "Sweater Vest type" out there!

Oops, I forgot about the many Michigan fans who do not like him (his record against U of M). I do know of a "Top 300 wins coach" with an unbelievable
history! ;D

Brian Kelly is at ND, and when he was hired he took his GVSU successor Chuck Martin to ND with him.  (low and behold, ND's D started rocking later in the season)

Martin would be one of the few "unknowns" I would embrace with open arms, but the likleyhood of that happening are near or below 0%.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 02:53:58 PM
sac:

I would agree.  Martin is a good coach, however, I personally think that Michigan is going to go for a "name coach" from the ranks.  Again, from what Brandon said, he essentially said he wants someone with head coaching experience from the larger programs.  Martin's head coaching experience is at DII and only this season at ND in DI.

Also, I had forgotten that Hoke had the "Michigan buyout" clause in his SDSU contract.  Kind of like Miles' previous buyout clause in his LSU contract, except that Miles "blew his chance big time" for several different reasons.

Raider68:

There probably will be eventually.  Look at the coaches that Tiffin and Findlay just hired.  Some of these guys "pay their dues" in various ways with experiences at all three levels before they end up landing a DI job - if that is what they want to do for their careers i.e. the "stepping stone" pathway.  Yet, I am still glad that there are some coaches (and we could all name plenty at the DIII level) who are content in staying where they are for their careers.  There is something to be said about that; unfortunately, it is less common today.  However, everyone has to make their own choice and that is fine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 05:25:18 PM
Well, there you have it.  Just reported that Jim Harbaugh has agreed to a 25 million dollar 5-year contract to be the Head Coach of the 49'ers of the NFL.  While most of us knew he wouldn't come back to Michigan, still I'm slightly disappointed he didn't stay then at Stanford as I think he had a chance at potentially becoming one of the great college coaches in this era if he had stayed at the collegiate level and really get Stanford to being even better than they are now.  However, I certainly understand the $ (although he really doesn't need it and Stanford had offered a VERY good $ deal without question), the chance to be a head NFL coach like his brother and the challenge of trying to bring back SF to prominence.  Yet, SF has not been exactly a hotbed for it's last several head coaches - Murriuci, Erickson, Nolan, Singletary couldn't turn them around and got fired; and the way the NFL is, that will probably happen to Harbaugh.  But...he has played in the NFL and thus, knows the mentality of those type of players.  The trick will be to see if he can get them to follow him.  Much, much different than working with college age players.  Nonetheless, I wish him the best.  Won't it be neat to see the Baltimore/SF games?  A great but rare experience for them and the fans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 10, 2011, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 05:25:18 PM
Well, there you have it.  Just reported that Jim Harbaugh has agreed to a 25 million dollar 5-year contract to be the Head Coach of the 49'ers of the NFL.  While most of us knew he wouldn't come back to Michigan, still I'm slightly disappointed he didn't stay then at Stanford as I think he had a chance at potentially becoming one of the great college coaches in this era if he had stayed at the collegiate level and really get Stanford to being even better than they are now.  However, I certainly understand the $ (although he really doesn't need it and Stanford had offered a VERY good $ deal without question), the chance to be a head NFL coach like his brother and the challenge of trying to bring back SF to prominence.  Yet, SF has not been exactly a hotbed for it's last several head coaches - Murriuci, Erickson, Nolan, Singletary couldn't turn them around and got fired; and the way the NFL is, that will probably happen to Harbaugh.  But...he has played in the NFL and thus, knows the mentality of those type of players.  The trick will be to see if he can get them to follow him.  Much, much different than working with college age players.  Nonetheless, I wish him the best.  Won't it be neat to see the Baltimore/SF games?  A great but rare experience for them and the fans.

IMHO, Michigan should make a push to not only talk to Les Miles but to seriously recruit him. I do not think Miles's opening has passed, since the HC positon there offers more of a challenge than 3 years ago! :) Michigan can ill afford to experiment again! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 10, 2011, 03:26:37 PM
Reports today claim Michigan will interview Miles tomorrow.  I'm still surprised but that is a different story.  Miles claims they will "talk" but he doesn't know what the meeting is about.  (he's one loopy dude).


The cyberstalking that takes place when things like this happen is amazing.  I'm a fan of Flightaware.com (because I live within earshot of several flights out of Lansing everyday and I got curious one day, and have stuck with it).   Several people have been following the Dominos Pizza plane since last week, including me.  :P   

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N220DF

I think that pretty much confirms Dave Brandon is going to talk with Miles.  Either that or he just wanted some Cajun food. :)



In case you are wondering about the suspected flight locations and their relevence.


Jacksonville---around the bowl game, obvious
Charlotte, NC---Mike Trgovac, Carolina Panthers DC and Michigan grad
Willow Run---Homebase, and frequently used by UM and Opponents
Latrobe, Pa---day of RR's firing, its been rumored UM interview Penn State's Tom Bradley
Chicago--the day after this plane left it was reported Fitzgerald was staying at NU
Scottsdale--probably where the John Gruden interview rumors surfaced, Gruden has been in Arz preparing for his radio call of tonights game
Las Vegas-- no idea
Dallas--Gary Patterson at TCU was probably talked to, but its also been mentioned that Les Miles' agent works out of Dallas.  Perhaps some behind the scenes stuff.
Baton Rouge---plane is heading there today.

I think this covers the internet rumors on this plane.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 10, 2011, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 02:53:58 PM

Also, I had forgotten that Hoke had the "Michigan buyout" clause in his SDSU contract.  Kind of like Miles' previous buyout clause in his LSU contract, except that Miles "blew his chance big time" for several different reasons.


Did Miles really blow it then ... or did UofM ... acting like they had never been in the search for a head coach before?  That seemed to be a screw-up from Day 1!  Hopefully, someone has learned something.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 10, 2011, 07:53:57 PM
Go Ducks tonight!
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 10, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 10, 2011, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2011, 02:53:58 PM

Also, I had forgotten that Hoke had the "Michigan buyout" clause in his SDSU contract.  Kind of like Miles' previous buyout clause in his LSU contract, except that Miles "blew his chance big time" for several different reasons.


Did Miles really blow it then ... or did UofM ... acting like they had never been in the search for a head coach before?  That seemed to be a screw-up from Day 1!  Hopefully, someone has learned something.

Michigan never interviewed Miles in 2008, and never wanted to.  All the Miles to Michigan junk in 08 was media created.  Miles expressed interest but UM didn't answer his calls......he has some UM baggage that isn't necessarily wanted in AA, the "Miles blew it bigtime" by formerd3db is referring to that and it comes from many years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 10, 2011, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: sac on January 10, 2011, 03:26:37 PM
Reports today claim Michigan will interview Miles tomorrow.  I'm still surprised but that is a different story.  Miles claims they will "talk" but he doesn't know what the meeting is about.  (he's one loopy dude).


The cyberstalking that takes place when things like this happen is amazing.  I'm a fan of Flightaware.com (because I live within earshot of several flights out of Lansing everyday and I got curious one day, and have stuck with it).   Several people have been following the Dominos Pizza plane since last week, including me.  :P   

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N220DF

I think that pretty much confirms Dave Brandon is going to talk with Miles.  Either that or he just wanted some Cajun food. :)



In case you are wondering about the suspected flight locations and their relevence.


Jacksonville---around the bowl game, obvious
Charlotte, NC---Mike Trgovac, Carolina Panthers DC and Michigan grad
Willow Run---Homebase, and frequently used by UM and Opponents
Latrobe, Pa---day of RR's firing, its been rumored UM interview Penn State's Tom Bradley
Chicago--the day after this plane left it was reported Fitzgerald was staying at NU
Scottsdale--probably where the John Gruden interview rumors surfaced, Gruden has been in Arz preparing for his radio call of tonights game
Las Vegas-- no idea
Dallas--Gary Patterson at TCU was probably talked to, but its also been mentioned that Les Miles' agent works out of Dallas.  Perhaps some behind the scenes stuff.
Baton Rouge---plane is heading there today.

I think this covers the internet rumors on this plane.



That jet is heading back to Ann Arbor tonight.  Reports out of Baton Rouge are that Miles is not on the plane.  Les is speaking at a coaches convention in Dallas on Tuesday.   It could mean a lot of things.......from Dave Brandon has his man and is heading home, all the way down to Domino's just wants their plane back.

There is a UM Football team meeting tomorrow afternoon that was not previously scheduled.

I still stick by my thoughts that no announcement can come until Wednesday at the earliest.

My guess is most of this week Dave Brandon has been spending gauging interest from coaches and will return home to set up formal interviews with other University staff members, including the President, Mary Sue Coleman who was apparently not on this trip.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 10, 2011, 11:05:29 PM
sac:

Thanks for your updates; I agree with you as well.  BTW, it was reported by some sources today, including Huge on "The Huge Show" in Grand Rapids (which they talked about the Michigan situation the entire show) that U of Mich President Mary Sue Coleman was indeed in Dallas with Brandon.  Usual media rumors! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 11, 2011, 12:51:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 10, 2011, 11:05:29 PM
sac:

Thanks for your updates; I agree with you as well.  BTW, it was reported by some sources today, including Huge on "The Huge Show" in Grand Rapids (which they talked about the Michigan situation the entire show) that U of Mich President Mary Sue Coleman was indeed in Dallas with Brandon.  Usual media rumors! ;D

Thanks about Coleman, I had heard differently, though vague stuff.



Fox 2 Detroit ~ the outfit that reported RR was fired the day before he was fired, and before Brandon had even finished his meeting with the guy ~ had someone out at Willow Run Airport.


Dave Brandon upon arrival at Willow Run: "Yeah, Hawaii was great" -- per our reporter, Dave Goricki



.....and, wow, how about this enthralling piece from a Baton Rouge TV station. ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cawTufb2MvY&feature=player_embedded#!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 11, 2011, 10:03:09 AM
If Michigan offers the HC position to Les Miles, he will come back to his alma mater. This would be great for U of M and the Big Ten, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 11, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
Les Miles staying at LSU, just released! Do not know if the U of M job was even offered!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 11, 2011, 05:22:16 PM
Well its over.  Michigan hired Brady Hoke.

Its a bitter sweet day, the confirmation that Michigan is just an old boys club who kicked and screamed when their legacy to Bo had been broken.  They've gotten their way and have hired one of their guys.

I can't help but think Michigan just hired their own version of this guy.
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2011, 06:01:45 PM
I think Hoke will do fine.  Harbaugh would have had his eyes to the NFL.  I'm not sure if Miles would not have been bringing any drama with him, and the quote I heard today I thought was funny was "Miles might not have been "dirty," but he might have been a little "dusty."  I think that worried the decision makers.   I have heard Hoke speak at a Michigan coaches clinic many years ago, and I think his style will endear him to the recruits and he will rally the troops.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 06:37:21 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2011, 06:01:45 PM
I think Hoke will do fine.  Harbaugh would have had his eyes to the NFL.  I'm not sure if Miles would not have been bringing any drama with him, and the quote I heard today I thought was funny was "Miles might not have been "dirty," but he might have been a little "dusty."  I think that worried the decision makers.   I have heard Hoke speak at a Michigan coaches clinic many years ago, and I think his style will endear him to the recruits and he will rally the troops.   


LSU is currently being investigated for MORE violations in the football program than UM pleaded to - hardly what Michigan would have needed! :P

Unless there are rumors/facts I haven't heard about Hoke, he was my preference.  AND his offensive sets may keep Robinson around, though (since my first two predictions from page 327 seem to have been confirmed, why not go all in with #3 ;D) he (Denard) may not hold off Devin Gardner for the clear #1 QB spot through the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 11, 2011, 08:33:30 PM
Miles was never offered the job (again) and apparently Hoke was #1 the whole time.

This whole thing is starting to smell like a two month behind the back move by Dave Brandon.  Ironic that it was a similar move that led the entire Detroit and national media to flip out and declare Rich Rodriguez public enemy #1 for the way he left WVU.


As someone else on another site put it, this is Michigan realizing it needed change 3 years ago, and now saying whoops that didn't work.....let's go back to what we were doing before.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 11, 2011, 10:12:16 PM
Well sac, I will say that Rodriguez did deserve all the flak he got for the way he left WVU.  I will not relate here what I have been told from a very reliable source who knows about all that and who coached with Rodriguez.  It is all "water under the bridge" as that saying goes.  Hopefully, Rodriguez will have learned from this debacle of an experience at Michigan (although I have my doubts) and I wish him the best in his next coaching position, wherever, whenever that may be.  I'm just glad it is time to move on now.

I must say that the U of Michigan process this time in selecting the new coach has been, shall we say, not the best, and perhaps even a little embarrassing to say the least.  However, I think Hoke is a good choice - he is one who really wanted the job and all the other aspects as mentioned by our colleagues here.  There really weren't many choices this time around in the DI college circles given the circumstances/parameters that Brandon wanted (i.e. head coaching experience) and no real "up and coming coordinators per se that or DIAA head coaches were those two categories even potentially to be considered, which they were not, of course.  But I agree - Miles would not have been a good choice  (for many reasons including those that have been mentioned- I'm glad they did not offer him the job - I think Michigan would have had another mess to deal with for whatever).

Anyway, I hope that Hoke can do his rebuilding job again for Michigan - it may take awhile, but at least this time there is a little more "calm" in the selection (I think? ??? ::) ;D).   We shall see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 12, 2011, 11:04:07 AM
Couple quick comments on UofM

RR was not a good "fit" and was a bad choice.
Wish him luck elsewhere.

Hoke is a good choice, defensive mind, fits the culture that Michigan was and needs to return to.

You will see the Graduates, and NFL players return to support the program.

RE MIAA so who steps up and challenges Trine?
I think even with the graduations of key players at Trine, they remain the program that will represent the league for several years to come.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 12, 2011, 03:12:57 PM
Sold!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 13, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Now that U of M has hired Coach Hoke, an Ohioan like Bo, the supporters have to allow him a few years to return the program to past success. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2011, 11:56:58 AM
Raider, I am glad you pointed out that Hoke and Bo were both Ohioans.  It shows that people CAN rise above their circumstances and achieve great things.     ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on January 13, 2011, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2011, 11:56:58 AM
Raider, I am glad you pointed out that Hoke and Bo were both Ohioans.  It shows that people CAN rise above their circumstances and achieve great things.     ;D

;D ;D Bwah-ha-ha-ha  ;D ;D    +k, Uncle Rico
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 13, 2011, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2011, 11:56:58 AM
Raider, I am glad you pointed out that Hoke and Bo were both Ohioans.  It shows that people CAN rise above their circumstances and achieve great things.     ;D

Wow, in today's world, humor is good medicine! +K  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 13, 2011, 03:01:33 PM
Great Presser at UofM
Though I am not unbiased  ;D

Like the attitude and Old School all about the Team approach, get back to what made UofM great.
Enjoyed the "inside" comments about the numerous "leaks" the "experts" had on who was on list and contacted.

Hoke is a good football coach, not big name just a straight forward coach.
Players will Love him, team will be physical and "show up" every game.
Hopefully he can get recruits, have to get back to being physical. Lineman are the key, all kinds of speed on team, need a few guys with a "bad attitude" on defense.

The "cradle of coachs"  (Ohio/PA) continues to be strong in College football staffs.

"That school down South" looked good at UofM congrats on move to #1 in BB.
Looking for the Big Ten to have a big impact on the NCAA Tourney

The D3 players had a nice showing in the NFL playoffs.
Hope to see a few get a chance this year in the draft or mini camps.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 13, 2011, 03:10:59 PM
Les Miles' application for the UM job.

http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/4722/les-miles-application-for-michigan-football-coach
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on January 13, 2011, 03:21:14 PM
Raider - sorry to hear about the AD of Training at Mt. Union.  Heard about the accident on the news yesterday while I was sitting in LaGuardia airport waiting for a flight.  Very sad.  I hope all of the other students/people on the bus were uninjured.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2011, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: D306 on January 13, 2011, 03:01:33 PM
Great Presser at UofM
Though I am not unbiased  ;D

Like the attitude and Old School all about the Team approach, get back to what made UofM great.
Enjoyed the "inside" comments about the numerous "leaks" the "experts" had on who was on list and contacted.

Hoke is a good football coach, not big name just a straight forward coach.
Players will Love him, team will be physical and "show up" every game.
Hopefully he can get recruits, have to get back to being physical. Lineman are the key, all kinds of speed on team, need a few guys with a "bad attitude" on defense.

The "cradle of coachs"  (Ohio/PA) continues to be strong in College football staffs.

"That school down South" looked good at UofM congrats on move to #1 in BB.
Looking for the Big Ten to have a big impact on the NCAA Tourney

The D3 players had a nice showing in the NFL playoffs.
Hope to see a few get a chance this year in the draft or mini camps.


Hearing all the comments from so many former U of M players was pretty cool and got me a little fired up.  I wonder if they can contact recruits on behalf of the university or if there are rules against that.  I wonder how much the recuiting class will suffer this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 14, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
Michigan was going to have a smaller than average recruiting class anyway, around 19 scholarships available.  So the possibility of them being rated high by someone like rivals.com was pretty low anyway.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/commitments/2011/michigan-29;_ylt=AibBKYRR58uLZDNf6x0qbF9JPZB4

They have 12 commitments, and of those only the Kicker seems to be wavering.  They did lose a couple that would have only come to Michigan if Rodriguez were the coach, but otherwise everyone seems to be staying committed to Michigan so far.

Contrary to the Detroit Free Press's insistence that MSU owns the state in football recruiting, Michigan will end up with 3 of the top 7 to MSU's 1 with the possibility that #6 and #3 change their commit to Michigan which would give them 5.   UM will probably have more in-state recruits than MSU when its all finished.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 14, 2011, 09:50:25 PM
"Hearing all the comments from so many former U of M players was pretty cool and got me a little fired up.  I wonder if they can contact recruits on behalf of the university or if there are rules against that.  I wonder how much the recuiting class will suffer this year"

Uncle Rico

Former Players can not "recruit" athletes in an official fashion.
Contact is limited to "reason / relationship" to be at a specific school or event, prior association with event or school, At that point UofM can not sanction your meeting but if you meet that is OK.
Think of Izzo getting suspended because a "coach" at one of his many mini camps. Non staff member coach spoke to a kid whom was being recruited by MSU after camp session.

NCAA rules are hard to comprehend, then you look at the joke of a way the Auburn and OSU violations were treated. Lets you know they are all about money. Kill ya after Bowl Season.  Nice how Cam Newton is kicked out of FLA. goes to JUCO for a year, comes to Auburn ( of course no cash involved at Auburn but dad was negociating money with other SEC schools  ???) then completes 1 semester and leaves for the Pro's. Talk about a hired gun. Love to see his class schedule and GPA, attendance etc... Great Education, work the system, must have learned from dad the "Minister" always a nice tax dodge.

WTKA Ann Arbor had great segment on this subject this morning Sam's recruit round-up segment.
Good trip back to Michigan I will hopefully stay on site more often.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 15, 2011, 02:38:00 PM
Thank you for the explanation, D306.  If ex players could make their case for a university, I would think the whole body of former Michigan players would make a strong case for coming to Ann Arbor.  They really lined up for Hoke, which is something Rich Rod did not have, not being from Michigan.  Time will tell if Hoke was a good move, but I like it so far.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 15, 2011, 04:14:01 PM
In 2011 Michigan will have another potential rival in Nebraska! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 15, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 15, 2011, 04:14:01 PM
In 2011 Michigan will have another potential rival in Nebraska! :)

Honestly, just the distance between the two schools is going to make it tough to have any sort of rivalry.  It may become one based on success if the two schools keep trading Division titles, but since that seems like years away from Michigan I can't see it.  At Michigan it will always be Ohio State, Michigan State, Notre Dame.......Nebraska has to get in line.

I think Nebraska is more likely to develop a rivalry with Iowa.

I do know I'm really looking forward to seeing them play at Michigan for the first time since the mid 60's.  We get the added bonus next year of it being the week before the Ohio State game.  Nebraska and Ohio State at Michigan in November, the only thing better would be if we were better.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2011, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: sac on January 15, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 15, 2011, 04:14:01 PM
In 2011 Michigan will have another potential rival in Nebraska! :)

Honestly, just the distance between the two schools is going to make it tough to have any sort of rivalry.  It may become one based on success if the two schools keep trading Division titles, but since that seems like years away from Michigan I can't see it.  At Michigan it will always be Ohio State, Michigan State, Notre Dame.......Nebraska has to get in line.

I think Nebraska is more likely to develop a rivalry with Iowa.

I do know I'm really looking forward to seeing them play at Michigan for the first time since the mid 60's.  We get the added bonus next year of it being the week before the Ohio State game.  Nebraska and Ohio State at Michigan in November, the only thing better would be if we were better.

Personally, I have little doubt that they WILL be (though uncertain whether they will be enough better to matter). 

The last time UM faced Nebraska was a bowl game (6-7? years ago), which was the ONLY game I've ever seen where I honestly think the officials were corrupt rather than incompetent.  (My nephews were rooting for Nebraska, yet they agreed with the assessment.)  With honest, competent officiating, a narrow loss would have been a 3 TD win. >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 15, 2011, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2011, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: sac on January 15, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 15, 2011, 04:14:01 PM
In 2011 Michigan will have another potential rival in Nebraska! :)

Honestly, just the distance between the two schools is going to make it tough to have any sort of rivalry.  It may become one based on success if the two schools keep trading Division titles, but since that seems like years away from Michigan I can't see it.  At Michigan it will always be Ohio State, Michigan State, Notre Dame.......Nebraska has to get in line.

I think Nebraska is more likely to develop a rivalry with Iowa.

I do know I'm really looking forward to seeing them play at Michigan for the first time since the mid 60's.  We get the added bonus next year of it being the week before the Ohio State game.  Nebraska and Ohio State at Michigan in November, the only thing better would be if we were better.

Personally, I have little doubt that they WILL be (though uncertain whether they will be enough better to matter). 

The last time UM faced Nebraska was a bowl game (6-7? years ago), which was the ONLY game I've ever seen where I honestly think the officials were corrupt rather than incompetent.  (My nephews were rooting for Nebraska, yet they agreed with the assessment.)  With honest, competent officiating, a narrow loss would have been a 3 TD win. >:(

They're going from a team that could give points up at will, and a top 10 offense that could keep up when not shooting itself in the foot.  To a defense that will probably still give up a lot of points and an offense that probably won't be as good with all new terminology etc.  Denard Robinson is a fun QB, but he can't read a defense worth lick.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2011, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: sac on January 15, 2011, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2011, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: sac on January 15, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 15, 2011, 04:14:01 PM
In 2011 Michigan will have another potential rival in Nebraska! :)

Honestly, just the distance between the two schools is going to make it tough to have any sort of rivalry.  It may become one based on success if the two schools keep trading Division titles, but since that seems like years away from Michigan I can't see it.  At Michigan it will always be Ohio State, Michigan State, Notre Dame.......Nebraska has to get in line.

I think Nebraska is more likely to develop a rivalry with Iowa.

I do know I'm really looking forward to seeing them play at Michigan for the first time since the mid 60's.  We get the added bonus next year of it being the week before the Ohio State game.  Nebraska and Ohio State at Michigan in November, the only thing better would be if we were better.

Personally, I have little doubt that they WILL be (though uncertain whether they will be enough better to matter). 

The last time UM faced Nebraska was a bowl game (6-7? years ago), which was the ONLY game I've ever seen where I honestly think the officials were corrupt rather than incompetent.  (My nephews were rooting for Nebraska, yet they agreed with the assessment.)  With honest, competent officiating, a narrow loss would have been a 3 TD win. >:(

They're going from a team that could give points up at will, and a top 10 offense that could keep up when not shooting itself in the foot.  To a defense that will probably still give up a lot of points and an offense that probably won't be as good with all new terminology etc.  Denard Robinson is a fun QB, but he can't read a defense worth lick.

While it is obviously just a wild guess at this point, I think UM will still be a top 20 offense, and jump all the way to a top 40 defense.  We'll see in (quite) a few months. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2011, 11:34:40 AM
sac and Ypsi:

Sac, I agree with you that Robinson can't read defenses well.  As you know from going to those games yourself, he sure has a knack for throwing INTs in the red zone.  That is something that needs to be corrected this year to improve his own game.  In that same category, I hope that Hoke hires back Scott Lefler, former Michigan quarterbacks coach.  IMO, he was excellent in that position during his tenur at Michigan.  In talking with some of my colleagues here at Michigan State who are associated with that program (and some who have brothers coaching in DI), they mentioned they doubted Lefler would be brought back because Smith was already there.  However, I saw this AM where Smith (and Frey), both recently out of a job at Michigan with the fireing of Rodriguez, were both hired this weekend by Kevin Wilson, Indiana's new coach.  So that leaves an opening at the QB coach spot.  I think Leflur can help Robinson and the now-to-be soph QB Walker who might have a chance at beating out Robinson for the QB spot.  As has been mentioned, I think it would be good to use Robinson in some WR or wingback positions on occasion as well, since I agree that is where is his potential chances will be in the NFL eventually.  He could help out in both those ways at Michigan, kind of like Shorts did at Mount Union this year.

Anyway, I haven't heard any info as to who Hoke is considering, however, I'm sure there will be some announcements this week.  As you can see from the internet and media, many of the coaching staffs at all three NCAA levels are being filled this past week and next.  At the upper levels, they have to, due to the intense recruiting process as well as the signing day two weeks away.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 16, 2011, 08:03:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2011, 11:31:24 PM
I think UM will still be a top 20 offense, and jump all the way to a top 40 defense.  We'll see in (quite) a few months. ;)

This is wildly wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2011, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: sac on January 16, 2011, 08:03:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2011, 11:31:24 PM
I think UM will still be a top 20 offense, and jump all the way to a top 40 defense.  We'll see in (quite) a few months. ;)

This is wildly wishful thinking.

Well, as I said, we'll see!  What I AM confident of is that Brady Hoke is not gonna allow a bottom level defense.  I expect the improvement on defense to be dramatic, and occur the very first year (second year at the worst).  I'll also go out on a limb and say the offense (which was NOT very good against the more physical teams) will get even better if he can come up with a way to utilize Denard other than just qb, and get Gardner's better arm on the field more.

(And you thought it was 'wildly wishful thinking' before! ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 16, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
Any good MIAA recruit talk?

I am aware of a couple Michigan based Seniors heading to Trine
Winning and the Campus improvements are building more interest.
I recall just 6-7 years ago, many MI kids would not attend Tri-State.

There is also a MIAA QB transferring out to DII.

The A's and Hope need to cast a wide net, the "blip" in recruits, wins, etc...
Is now a trend.

With the economy stable, I did not say improving in Michigan. I expect that the DIII schools may see a little more interest. People are a little more confident in their jobs, or prospect of future business, or should I say I hope this leads to more Student-Athletes in the MIAA.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 17, 2011, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: D306 on January 16, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
Any good MIAA recruit talk?

I am aware of a couple Michigan based Seniors heading to Trine
Winning and the Campus improvements are building more interest.
I recall just 6-7 years ago, many MI kids would not attend Tri-State.

There is also a MIAA QB transferring out to DII.

The A's and Hope need to cast a wide net, the "blip" in recruits, wins, etc...
Is now a trend.

With the economy stable, I did not say improving in Michigan. I expect that the DIII schools may see a little more interest. People are a little more confident in their jobs, or prospect of future business, or should I say I hope this leads to more Student-Athletes in the MIAA.



The question is, what MIAA team will provide Trine with some competition this fall? Hopefully they (Trine) will have to earn the top spot with some close games! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2011, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 17, 2011, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: D306 on January 16, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
Any good MIAA recruit talk?

I am aware of a couple Michigan based Seniors heading to Trine
Winning and the Campus improvements are building more interest.
I recall just 6-7 years ago, many MI kids would not attend Tri-State.

There is also a MIAA QB transferring out to DII.

The A's and Hope need to cast a wide net, the "blip" in recruits, wins, etc...
Is now a trend.

With the economy stable, I did not say improving in Michigan. I expect that the DIII schools may see a little more interest. People are a little more confident in their jobs, or prospect of future business, or should I say I hope this leads to more Student-Athletes in the MIAA.



The question is, what MIAA team will provide Trine with some competition this fall? Hopefully they (Trine) will have to earn the top spot with some close games! :)

I am going to be honest here....Hopefully Trine will play many tough opponents in the non-conference and conference schedule, and will CRUSH them all, allowing many players lots of playing time.  Tight, close games are not good for my heart.    :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 17, 2011, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2011, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 17, 2011, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: D306 on January 16, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
Any good MIAA recruit talk?

I am aware of a couple Michigan based Seniors heading to Trine
Winning and the Campus improvements are building more interest.
I recall just 6-7 years ago, many MI kids would not attend Tri-State.

There is also a MIAA QB transferring out to DII.

The A's and Hope need to cast a wide net, the "blip" in recruits, wins, etc...
Is now a trend.

With the economy stable, I did not say improving in Michigan. I expect that the DIII schools may see a little more interest. People are a little more confident in their jobs, or prospect of future business, or should I say I hope this leads to more Student-Athletes in the MIAA.



The question is, what MIAA team will provide Trine with some competition this fall? Hopefully they (Trine) will have to earn the top spot with some close games! :)

I am going to be honest here....Hopefully Trine will play many tough opponents in the non-conference and conference schedule, and will CRUSH them all, allowing many players lots of playing time.  Tight, close games are not good for my heart.    :D

Do you know Trine's 2011 non-conference schedule,  I could not find it? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 17, 2011, 11:44:53 AM
Is Alma still considering replacing its turf with a maroon turf?   Or has that decision not been made yet?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 17, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: sac on January 17, 2011, 11:44:53 AM
Is Alma still considering replacing its turf with a maroon turf?   Or has that decision not been made yet?

I had not heard that sac.  I could check with my Alma sources, although perhaps slfzman knows something about that.  If they are seriously considering it, at least it most likely would not be as irritating to the eyes as that red turf at FCS (formerly D-IAA) National Champion Eastern Washington's home turf.  Boise State's blue turf I can tolerate, however, the Eastern Washington one gave me a slight headache watching the semi-final playoff game there on TV.

What do you hear slfzman? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 17, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 17, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: sac on January 17, 2011, 11:44:53 AM
Is Alma still considering replacing its turf with a maroon turf?   Or has that decision not been made yet?

I had not heard that sac.  I could check with my Alma sources, although perhaps slfzman knows something about that.  If they are seriously considering it, at least it most likely would not be as irritating to the eyes as that red turf at FCS (formerly D-IAA) National Champion Eastern Washington's home turf.  Boise State's blue turf I can tolerate, however, the Eastern Washington one gave me a slight headache watching the semi-final playoff game there on TV.

What do you hear slfzman? ???

formerd3db,

Maroon sure beats that urgly red or Boise Blue! How about green, now that is a good color! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 17, 2011, 12:13:06 PM
Well D306, I hope so (i.e. more h.s. players coming back to considering the MIAA schools for continuing their football careers (obviously, for those who aren't trying for or have a chance at DI somewhere).  However, as we have discussed on here this fall, I think that will still be a tough sell even with the economy being more stable here in Michigan as you point out.  If a kid has the talent to play at either DII or DIII, I think that the MIAA schools will still have a problem in getting the better players to enroll (unless they simply want to go to that particular school and their parents can afford it) simply because if the DII (of course, all the GLIAC schools) and/or NAIA scholarship schools (i.e. Concordia-Ann Arbor, Siena Heights, Notre Dame College, Malone, Walsh, Ohio Dominican, Marian, IN) offer those prospective recruits a scholarship (even if it is only a 1/2 ride as it is in the GLIAC), they are going to go with the scholarship.  Hope and many of the others just cannot compete with that like they could in years past.  They just aren't able to offer the financial aid packages to compete with that like they used to in relative comparision, again, just due to the changing times.  I can tell you I've heard this repeated from the various coaching staffs around the MIAA.  One might argue that Trine is doing fine despite this, so, again, as I'ved mentioned before, I'm not sure how that fits in with what I've outlined above, other than they are a solid winning program like Albion was in that stretch in the 1990's.  But, I guess, we'll obviously see what happens over the next couple of years.

BTW, you being a former "Michigan Man" (i.e. actually you still are ;)), I appreciated/enjoyed reading your thoughts/comments on the recent Hoke hiring and the process.  It will be interesting to see what happens there as well.  Do you think there is a chance that Lefluer (sp?) will get the QB coacing job back now that Smith has gone to Indiana?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 17, 2011, 12:14:24 PM
Raider68:

Yes, I would still have to go with the "traditional" color!  Those who have known me for a long time, know that I am a "traditionalist" ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 17, 2011, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 17, 2011, 12:14:24 PM
Raider68:

Yes, I would still have to go with the "traditional" color!  Those who have known me for a long time, know that I am a "traditionalist" ;).

formerd3db,

I am as well! Here is a tidbit of information (fields). In 2001 Mount Union installed in new turf (green Astro-play), but for several years kept the field only green no writing in the end zones per the wishes of Coach Kehres. it was only 3 or so years ago that the end zones now have the schools names with the center of the field with no logos. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 17, 2011, 03:25:44 PM
D3DB

Ouch for second I thought you were telling me I was a "former" Michigan man >:( Like I lost faith, or something.

Then I re-read the comment. ;D

I concur the DIII schools have been taking a beating lately on players coming into program.
The cost at schools is becoming prohibitive, especially if your main motivation is to play sports.
Walk on if you have to at a DII, NAIA it will cost less.
I have stated numerous times, that the only DII school that I feel is on par with the MIAA top end is Hillsdale. GVSU is improving but their profile for Football is quickly becoming High End DII, DI transfers / JUCO looking for playing time. The GVSU typical time to graduate for standard student is now 5+ years, I assume a Athlete would be the same.

I also feel the neighborhood, local towns looks is becoming a bigger issue for Albion than other MIAA schools.
The numerous DII and NAIA schools around are sucking a lot of MIAA guys away.
I see a lot of "target" profile guys heading to GLIAC schools. SVSU, Northwood etc...
These guys enter the school with a higher profile academically than they would at Hope, Albion, Kazoo. These are the comments I hear from Coachs and Parents.

Interesting development, and I am not sure in the short term there is a lot that can be done, except to stress the Educational advantages and "family feel" that the MIAA schools provide.

I know several students that attended MIAA as a legacy, and value the traditions. As more 2nd generation students attend other colleges, this avenue also reduces.
I see /saw this in the Catholic Schools in the Detroit Area. The majority have closed or lost significant head count.
Good thread and a subject we have beat to death numerous times. I will stop here too many comments that may taken the wrong way.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 17, 2011, 03:43:17 PM
D306:

First, my apologies - in re-reading my post also, I should have written that better - I meant no disrespect.  As I recall, i.e. from some of your previous posts in the past, I assumed that you are a former player there, and, as such, you will always be a "Michigan Man".  So that is actually what I meant! :-[ ;D

Secondly, good comments on the general subject.  You certainy don't need to stop talking about it because we should all have the opportunity anytime here to continue to post opinions/comments/thought provoking aspects on this when anyone wants to - that's what this site is for!  I also do not I think that your comments in your last post will be taken in the wrong way.  They are legit concerns, observations, and...no one can dispute the fact that many of those were related to you by coaches themselves.  I know that also because some of those same concerns/theories/thoughts, etc. have been expressed to me by some of the coaches (and other people connected with the colleges in various positions) as I tried to explain/mention.

Anyway, your postings/contributions to this board are always appreciated - at least they are by me, for what that's worth! ;D

BTW, one last question - you forgot to give me/us your opinion about my question regarding the QB assistant coaching position at Michigan, even if you/me and others are speculating and just mentioning opinions/possibilities here!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 17, 2011, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 17, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: sac on January 17, 2011, 11:44:53 AM
Is Alma still considering replacing its turf with a maroon turf?   Or has that decision not been made yet?

I had not heard that sac.  I could check with my Alma sources, although perhaps slfzman knows something about that.  If they are seriously considering it, at least it most likely would not be as irritating to the eyes as that red turf at FCS (formerly D-IAA) National Champion Eastern Washington's home turf.  Boise State's blue turf I can tolerate, however, the Eastern Washington one gave me a slight headache watching the semi-final playoff game there on TV.

What do you hear slfzman? ???

A friend who has a relative attending Alma said it was a question tweeted to the student body.  Something like should Alma install a maroon field.

So its second or third hand info, but I had heard it again from someone this weekend.  I was just curious if it had legs or not.

It would be odd, and the colored field madness needs to stop.  I don't want anyone in Holland getting any orange field ideas. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 17, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
"You got that right", sac!  The orange I fear would cause me go go blind!  Heck, at Hope we and the football staff can't even get the City and the College to swing for just some that regular "green synthetic" turf for the stadium (and I should say the practice fields as well), both of which are sorely needed.  On the other hand, as you know, the soccer and lacrosse stadium synthetic turf is great and well liked, even by the soccer guys and gals! (Which is surprising since soccer people usually like the natural grass - yet, no more "rain out" postponements and rescheduling of games for lacrosse and soccer now, which is a great plus).

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
All these multi-colored turfs turns me off.  At least lets PRETEND it is grass by keeping it green!   :)

Walking out on a nice grass football field has that smell and feel that brings me back to the days when my neighborhood buddies and I used to gather at someones house and play football in the back yard.  If you didn't have grass stains and dirt ground in, you weren't playing.  

There are 100 reasons why turf is better to play on, but the smell of a grass playing field still brings me back.  Right after the very last game that Trine played on grass before putting the field turf in, I cut a small section out and planted it in my front yard.   Probably the greenest little patch of sod in my whole yard!  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 17, 2011, 07:55:11 PM
Scot Loeffler

would certainly be a great choice, he has coached many very fine QB's whom are now in the Pro ranks and doing quite well.

Scot was recently let go at Florida with the Coach retiring and a new staff coming in.

Not sure if he will be brought back in, Brady will be deligent in his research and allow OC to have a big say in staff.

I mis - read your comments I did not feel you were implying anything, just "old man" having to pay more attention when I read.

No is my thought on any color other than Green. I prefer Grass as Uncle Rico said.
Got to Love the smell. the feel, the dirt, the mud, the snow, that's Football you are supposed to look and feel like you played when you are done. Nothing like a good sweat going on a wet, muddy day. Steam coming off your head. I know I sound like a NFL films guy  :D

I admit, Turf saves alot of money and can be used for multi sport locations, which really helps schools in many ways. I can live with that.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 18, 2011, 08:54:33 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
All these multi-colored turfs turns me off.  At least lets PRETEND it is grass by keeping it green!   :)

Walking out on a nice grass football field has that smell and feel that brings me back to the days when my neighborhood buddies and I used to gather at someones house and play football in the back yard.  If you didn't have grass stains and dirt ground in, you weren't playing. 

There are 100 reasons why turf is better to play on, but the smell of a grass playing field still brings me back.  Right after the very last game that Trine played on grass before putting the field turf in, I cut a small section out and planted it in my front yard.   Probably the greenest little patch of sod in my whole yard! 

The approximate cost of new field turf is $800k to $1 million depending how much ground work is required. Most schools look to their alums for the majority of the cost as a special drive program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 18, 2011, 08:54:33 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
All these multi-colored turfs turns me off.  At least lets PRETEND it is grass by keeping it green!   :)

Walking out on a nice grass football field has that smell and feel that brings me back to the days when my neighborhood buddies and I used to gather at someones house and play football in the back yard.  If you didn't have grass stains and dirt ground in, you weren't playing. 

There are 100 reasons why turf is better to play on, but the smell of a grass playing field still brings me back.  Right after the very last game that Trine played on grass before putting the field turf in, I cut a small section out and planted it in my front yard.   Probably the greenest little patch of sod in my whole yard! 

The approximate cost of new field turf is $800k to $1 million depending how much ground work is required. Most schools look to their alums for the majority of the cost as a special drive program.


Wow! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 18, 2011, 10:53:22 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 18, 2011, 08:54:33 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
All these multi-colored turfs turns me off.  At least lets PRETEND it is grass by keeping it green!   :)

Walking out on a nice grass football field has that smell and feel that brings me back to the days when my neighborhood buddies and I used to gather at someones house and play football in the back yard.  If you didn't have grass stains and dirt ground in, you weren't playing. 

There are 100 reasons why turf is better to play on, but the smell of a grass playing field still brings me back.  Right after the very last game that Trine played on grass before putting the field turf in, I cut a small section out and planted it in my front yard.   Probably the greenest little patch of sod in my whole yard! 

The approximate cost of new field turf is $800k to $1 million depending how much ground work is required. Most schools look to their alums for the majority of the cost as a special drive program.


Wow! 

Setting the proper drainage in the entire area takes some time and money, in additon to the turf build-up and the turf itself and painting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 18, 2011, 05:54:47 PM
Raider68 -- I am curious ... What painting do you mean? There was no painting involved when Olivet installed turf. Our end zones are red with Olivet in one end and Comets in the other. At midfield is our interlocking OC logo. All of the colored areas are actual colored blades of turf. The end zones came on a red roll and then the letters were cut out and replaced with white and red turf. The OC was the same way -- cut out of green turf and replaced. NO PAINT was ever applied to the green turf. Somewhere on our website, I have pictures of the process.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 18, 2011, 06:15:59 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on January 18, 2011, 05:54:47 PM
Raider68 -- I am curious ... What painting do you mean? There was no painting involved when Olivet installed turf. Our end zones are red with Olivet in one end and Comets in the other. At midfield is our interlocking OC logo. All of the colored areas are actual colored blades of turf. The end zones came on a red roll and then the letters were cut out and replaced with white and red turf. The OC was the same way -- cut out of green turf and replaced. NO PAINT was ever applied to the green turf. Somewhere on our website, I have pictures of the process.

OC_SID,

Most all new turf fields have all lines, numbers painted. Color turf for logos and some end zone letters. I have not seen the "new turf" fields where the yard markers are inserts (white turf). You are correct on the end zone cutouts, but older new turf fields did not have them like the new turf at Olivet for example. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 18, 2011, 08:25:06 PM
For those who have speculated on Scott Loeffler returning to Michigan, I have this for you.......

    Hoke Announces Seven Staff Appointments

    ANN ARBOR – University of Michigan head coach Brady Hoke announced today (Tuesday, Jan. 18) the hiring of seven staff members to his Wolverine coaching and support staff. Hoke named six of the nine assistant coaching positions and the appointment of his strength and conditioning coach.

    Six members of the San Diego State staff joined Hoke in Ann Arbor. Al Borges will coordinate the offense and work with the quarterbacks, Dan Ferrigno will coordinate the special teams and coach the tight ends, Darrell Funk will coach the offensive line, Jeff Hecklinski mentors the wide receivers and Mark Smith has been appointed linebackers coach. Aaron Wellman also joined the Wolverines' staff as the strength and conditioning coach.

    Hoke rehired long time Michigan running backs coach Fred Jackson to the same position on the staff. Jackson will begin his 20th season as a member of the Wolverine coaching staff in 2011.



The most pertinent part is where it lists Al Borges as OC/QB coach.  I think this signals Loeffler isn't coming back to Michigan.


In slightly more amazing, yet not amazing news.......pretty heavy rumors that Baltimore Ravens DC Greg Mattison is returning to Michigan as the DC.  Mattison was at Michigan in the mid 90's, and was brought into UM by Moeller.  His 2 years as DC at UM were 95 and 96.....they were pretty good on that side of the ball.

Actually:  this isn't a rumor because John Harbaugh the Ravens coach basically confirmed it by naming a new DC and wishing Mattison the best at UM.  UofM just hasn't confirmed it.


......also if we got Ray Lewis in the deal, or 1/10th his awesomeness there might be hope for the defense yet.



resume your MIAA discussions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 19, 2011, 03:31:23 PM
sac:

Yes, I saw that also.  It is too bad that Loeffler wasn't rehired - IMO, I think he would have been a great selection.  He did a very good job when he was at Michigan (and as I recall, I thought he was there when Hoke was previously as well - I could be "mis-remembering this").  Yet, these selections of a new staff is the new head coach's perogative, obviously and it doesn't surprise me that Hoke is bringing some of his former SDSU staff with him (although I'm not a great fan of those "California" guys!!).  As with any assistant coaching staff, some of these guys have "been around the horn" almost everywhere, which is the usual MO (mode of opperendi ;D) for most (although not all) journeyman/veteran assistant coaches.  Indeed, being an assistant is a tough/demanding job, especially when uprooting families, as some of these guys have to now do and as you can see from their bios now posted on the U of Michigan website, many have several children.  But...that is the nature of the business.

As to Mattison, I hope he can get Michigan back to their "traditionally" strong defense.  He is also, however, a journeyman as well - after leaving Michigan the first time, he was at Notre Dame for several years, then left there to go to Florida and, of course, then at Baltimore as you mention.  It is interesting - why do you and our other colleagues here think he left Baltimore?  Was that his choice or John Harbaugh's decision or mutual?  It wasn't made clear by any of the press releases (uh, I mean "stories" - and we all know all too well that you can't trust everything you hear or read in the media regardless of the type it is. ;) ::) :P).

I do hope that Loeffler lands somewhere at a good school - I think he will - and, again, IMO, whoever ends up offering him a job will get a very good coach and (from what I know in general) a good man.

Yes...now we can go back to more MIAA discussions, but since this is football and Michigan, I think we can be allowed some latitude here. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 19, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
How common it is to bring 6 coaches with a new head Coach for a total of 7 in D1? U of M cannot have more than 12-13 in total, just asking? :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on January 19, 2011, 06:45:02 PM
Good question ion what normal change over is

D1 allows 9 asst coachs
2 GA

6-7 new sounds normal to high
I would expect every coach wants organizational coach whom knows the ins and outs of the school on the staff.
2-3 stay with program for this reason., or the relationship they have with students on team.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 19, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 19, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
How common it is to bring 6 coaches with a new head Coach for a total of 7 in D1? U of M cannot have more than 12-13 in total, just asking? :-X


I don't know that answer, but I'd say its pretty uncommon for a head coach to be fired and most of his staff to stick around.  That just doesn't happen.

Rich Rodriguez brought about half his first staff with him from WVU and hired about 4 guys from outside the program, with the exception of Fred Jackson  (who seems to be a permanent part of the decorations around Schembechler Hall.)   Tall, Schaeffer and the LB coach who got canned all came from different programs.



Better question, how many coaches and staffs get such a big promotion from meddling WAC program, to Big10 elite?

Urban Meyer is about the only guy I can think of right now, and I don't think he took too many Utah coaches with him to Gainesville.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 20, 2011, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: sac on January 19, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 19, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
How common it is to bring 6 coaches with a new head Coach for a total of 7 in D1? U of M cannot have more than 12-13 in total, just asking? :-X


I don't know that answer, but I'd say its pretty uncommon for a head coach to be fired and most of his staff to stick around.  That just doesn't happen.

Rich Rodriguez brought about half his first staff with him from WVU and hired about 4 guys from outside the program, with the exception of Fred Jackson  (who seems to be a permanent part of the decorations around Schembechler Hall.)   Tall, Schaeffer and the LB coach who got canned all came from different programs.



Better question, how many coaches and staffs get such a big promotion from meddling WAC program, to Big10 elite?

Urban Meyer is about the only guy I can think of right now, and I don't think he took too many Utah coaches with him to Gainesville.

IMHO, For a D1 program to maintain its elite status, the HC must surround himself with top notch assistants. Bringing so many from a not so great program, raises doubt in my mind that U of M will see a quick turnaround.
Coach Hoke did not take much time to interview candidates etc.  :-\

In D3, I could see a quick process, but not at a top D1 school!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2011, 05:09:36 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 20, 2011, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: sac on January 19, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 19, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
How common it is to bring 6 coaches with a new head Coach for a total of 7 in D1? U of M cannot have more than 12-13 in total, just asking? :-X


I don't know that answer, but I'd say its pretty uncommon for a head coach to be fired and most of his staff to stick around.  That just doesn't happen.

Rich Rodriguez brought about half his first staff with him from WVU and hired about 4 guys from outside the program, with the exception of Fred Jackson  (who seems to be a permanent part of the decorations around Schembechler Hall.)   Tall, Schaeffer and the LB coach who got canned all came from different programs.



Better question, how many coaches and staffs get such a big promotion from meddling WAC program, to Big10 elite?

Urban Meyer is about the only guy I can think of right now, and I don't think he took too many Utah coaches with him to Gainesville.

IMHO, For a D1 program to maintain its elite status, the HC must surround himself with top notch assistants. Bringing so many from a not so great program, raises doubt in my mind that U of M will see a quick turnaround.
Coach Hoke did not take much time to interview candidates etc.  :-\

In D3, I could see a quick process, but not at a top D1 school!

Bear in mind that Hoke and these assistants just got through engineering a turnaround - from perennial doormat to 9-4 in two seasons!  And with signing day two weeks (?) away, he did not have much time if this recruiting class was not to be a total disaster.  I would doubt that many elite recruits are gonna sign if they don't even know who their position coach will be.

I know essentially nothing about the assistants he brought along, but do have great faith in Hoke and Mattison.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2011, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: sac on January 16, 2011, 08:03:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2011, 11:31:24 PM
I think UM will still be a top 20 offense, and jump all the way to a top 40 defense.  We'll see in (quite) a few months. ;)

This is wildly wishful thinking.

While it may be optimistic to predict that big a rise in the first year, with the hiring of Mattison do you still think it is "wildly wishful thinking"?! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 20, 2011, 05:16:21 PM
Raider68:

Well, as you can see, many of Hoke's staff that he has brought to Michigan have several years experience coaching in the Pac 10 at several of those universities as well as in the NFL.  However, I agree with you that doesn't translate whatsoever into "quicker success" at Michigan.  As you pointed out, they didn't exactly set the college football world "on fire" at SDSU, although granted, they were only there two years.  

From what I've heard, most of the sports pundits in the media are saying also that Michigan fans will need to be patient as this will not be an "overnight turnaround" such as did Miami of Ohio or Nevada this year, to use examples.  Also factored in there is the fact that Michigan's recruiting class will only be 17-18 players now (few, if any, "blue chippers"), in part, due to the delay in how the head coach selection process went down.  Yet, also, IMO, even if the recruiting class had been bigger (regardless whether Rodriguez was kept on or not), I still think Michigan will have a slower process for the turnaround - I do think a turnaround will happen, but it will take a couple of years or more I believe.

So the bottom line here, is that my personal opinion is that Hoke brought too many of his own staff, but again that is his perogative and he knows those guys obviously, and those coaches are who he thinks will provide the best chances for an eventual Michigan turnaround.

BTW, interesting comments today by Tate Forcier's dad about how his son's leaving Michigan went down.  I hate to say this, but I am not fully yet "won over" by Brandon - my own personal "jury" is still out on him - however, admittedly, we need to give him a chance.  I will say, though, that he has to be better than Martin was - I will be surprised if he isn't. ::) :P ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 20, 2011, 05:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2011, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: sac on January 16, 2011, 08:03:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2011, 11:31:24 PM
I think UM will still be a top 20 offense, and jump all the way to a top 40 defense. We'll see in (quite) a few months. ;)

This is wildly wishful thinking.

While it may be optimistic to predict that big a rise in the first year, with the hiring of Mattison do you still think it is "wildly wishful thinking"?! ;D

Well, he exactly didn't have the greatest results at Notre Dame, although didn't do bad at Florida and good at Baltimore in the NFL - although we all know the latter is an "entirely different animal"! ;D  I think he will be better than Robinson was though (although the latter didn't exactly have stellar talent in the defensive seconday as we all know).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2011, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: sac on January 19, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 19, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
How common it is to bring 6 coaches with a new head Coach for a total of 7 in D1? U of M cannot have more than 12-13 in total, just asking? :-X


I don't know that answer, but I'd say its pretty uncommon for a head coach to be fired and most of his staff to stick around.  That just doesn't happen.

Agreed. I just had lunch with a friend of mine from college who was an assistant coach for the past four years at Minnesota and they were, of course, all fired at the end of the season.

Bringing with you from the previous job? Maybe 6-7 is unusual, but then again, San Diego State to Michigan is going to be an attractive jump for most everyone. If SDSU promoted from within (and I have not followed, so I apologize if that's the case) then you might see some coaches sticking around there in improved roles. But the opportunity to go to a program in a BCS conference is a step up for most guys at SDSU, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 21, 2011, 02:15:10 PM
SDSU hired its defensive coordinator to take over, I don't remember how much time had elapsed but I'm sure Hoke had a couple days to talk some SDSU guys into coming to Michigan before SDSU made its decision.


But then I'm in the camp that believes these coaching change preparations have been going on much longer than AD Dave Brandon wants people to believe.   So... :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 21, 2011, 03:02:43 PM
Fall of 2011 will tell the tale for U of M under a new coaching staff. An 8-4 record and a Bowl game would be a good first year, but do not look for a victory over Ohio State for yet awhile. Not the same level of talent yet!
IMHO! :)

Now who will be a top MIAA team this fall other than Trine?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 21, 2011, 04:55:19 PM
Pat:

I agree with you also on that.  BTW, sorry to hear about your friend who was on Minnesota's staff until last month.  I hope he lands a good job somewhere else - keep us posted.  It is always (at least IMO) good to see and follow the careers in where many of these assistants go.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 21, 2011, 04:57:05 PM
sac:

I agree with you also re: Brandon most likely not "telling us the entire" story - but...that is his perogative.  At the same time, doesn't mean we have to like it! :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 22, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
Raider 68: Who will be a top team this fall other than Trine...

If by top team you mean will finish 2nd...

In my opinion you have to say Albion as the oblivous with the way you know their offense can be.

I'd also have to say Adrian will make a run for that spot because, though they never wow you, they're usually a solid team...

I'd also say Alma is close with Jarrett Leister coming back as a RS So. but unless there is big production from young WRs the offense will not be top-level. On a side note the 7 starters return on D

Other than those 3 I don't see who else has a remote chance of contending with Trine...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 22, 2011, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 22, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
Raider 68: Who will be a top team this fall other than Trine...

If by top team you mean will finish 2nd...

In my opinion you have to say Albion as the oblivous with the way you know their offense can be.

I'd also have to say Adrian will make a run for that spot because, though they never wow you, they're usually a solid team...

I'd also say Alma is close with Jarrett Leister coming back as a RS So. but unless there is big production from young WRs the offense will not be top-level. On a side note the 7 starters return on D

Other than those 3 I don't see who else has a remote chance of contending with Trine...

sflzman,

Thanks, I was thinking the same thing, but between Albion, Alma and Adrian, I am not sure which of those has the most experienced players returning! +k  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 22, 2011, 06:15:49 PM
Alma returns week 10 starters at:
QB, 2/4 WR, 5/5 OL, 1/4 DL, 3/3 LB, 4/4 DB
16/22 Total

Adrian returns week 10 starters at:
2/2 RB, 2/2 WR, 3/5 OL, 3/4 DL, 2/4 LB (2/2 OLB), 3/3 DB
15/22 Total

Albion returns week 6 starters at:
QB, 2/2 RB, WR, SE, TE, 2/5 OL, 1/4 DL, 3/3 LB, 4/4 DB
16/22 Total
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 23, 2011, 07:27:42 AM
Quote from: sflzman on January 22, 2011, 06:15:49 PM
Alma returns week 10 starters at:
QB, 2/4 WR, 5/5 OL, 1/4 DL, 3/3 LB, 4/4 DB
16/22 Total

Adrian returns week 10 starters at:
2/2 RB, 2/2 WR, 3/5 OL, 3/4 DL, 2/4 LB (2/2 OLB), 3/3 DB
15/22 Total

Albion returns week 6 starters at:
QB, 2/2 RB, WR, SE, TE, 2/5 OL, 1/4 DL, 3/3 LB, 4/4 DB
16/22 Total

Thanks Sflzman,

The 2011 non-conference schedule for Adrian is out there with a game against Augustana. Could be a good indicator. I did not find Alma or Albion!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 23, 2011, 09:17:49 AM
Raider68 and sflzman:

I agree with your assessments i.e. Albion, Adrian and Alma as being the front-runners to challenge Trine this fall in 2011 for the title and...in that order.  While Alma will be right up there IMO as they are very explosive, they still can be inconsistent from week to week i.e. erratic.  Some people have attritubted that to the type of offense they've run for years (the "run and shoot" or wide-open spread as you all know), although that is always the case with that type of offensive scheme.  BTW, as an aside i.e. "side bar" here - recall that they, in reality, were the first to use that when Leister installed it before any of the more major universities started doing it, including in the Big Ten. ;)

Anyway, I rate Adrian behind Albion because while the latter was coming on strong in the second half and did play Trine very tough, they just didn't seem to have that "knock out punch" to put them over the top, IMO (even though they smashed us i.e. Hope at their place).  Albion, after a slow start last fall and despite some people saying they weren't quite that good, I still believe will be the front challenger.  I could be wrong, of course, as we all know how unpredictable the MIAA race is once the league games start coming into play.

I do look forward, though, to a (hopefully ;D) improved year for the MIAA overall. 

P.S. BTW, sflzma, how is the new Alma basketball arena?  It looks fantastic on the photos on the website (although they only have a few).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 23, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
Yes I would say the same order and I agree with the lack of - can we call it starpower? - that Adrian has, though they are solid and consistant. Alma's non-con schedule is as follows:

Sep. 3    Heidelberg University    Tiffin, OH
Sep. 10    Illinois Wesleyan Univeristy    Alma, MI    
Sep. 17    Rockford College    Rockford, IL
Sep. 24    Hanover College    Alma, MI This game probably will not be played, who we are playing is a question that i don't think anyone at Alma can answer. Hanover backed out of the game this year (why we played d-2 KWC), which would mean we probably are not playing them this year either...

The new basketball arena is great, and the video board is better than anything Hope or Calvin can  show off...The arena also has a low-ceiling design which allows the building to get loud - really loud - very quickly...

There was an Alma vs. Ithaca high school game over winter break in the arena that brought in over 1500 people...the building was completely fired up and at times was so loud you found yourself shouting to the person next to you...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 24, 2011, 07:27:26 AM
But on the flip-side, to be fair I should point out the things that aren't as good in the arena as well...

There is no center hung scoreboard.
There is no live video/instant replay on the video board.
The walls inside the arena are bare (needs banners and all that jazz)
The arena averages more attendance for volleyball than for basketball so it is never as loud as it could be
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 24, 2011, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: sflzman on January 23, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
Yes I would say the same order and I agree with the lack of - can we call it starpower? - that Adrian has, though they are solid and consistant. Alma's non-con schedule is as follows:

Sep. 3    Heidelberg University    Tiffin, OH
Sep. 10    Illinois Wesleyan Univeristy    Alma, MI    
Sep. 17    Rockford College    Rockford, IL
Sep. 24    Hanover College    Alma, MI This game probably will not be played, who we are playing is a question that i don't think anyone at Alma can answer. Hanover backed out of the game this year (why we played d-2 KWC), which would mean we probably are not playing them this year either...

The new basketball arena is great, and the video board is better than anything Hope or Calvin can  show off...The arena also has a low-ceiling design which allows the building to get loud - really loud - very quickly...

There was an Alma vs. Ithaca high school game over winter break in the arena that brought in over 1500 people...the building was completely fired up and at times was so loud you found yourself shouting to the person next to you...

Heidelberg will be a competitive game for Alma. Under Coach Hallet (Mount Union), he has over the past 3 years taken Heidelberg form a lower tier OAC team to the middle of the conference! :) Heidelberg is a high scoring team, so we will see!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 24, 2011, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 24, 2011, 07:27:26 AM
But on the flip-side, to be fair I should point out the things that aren't as good in the arena as well...

There is no center hung scoreboard.
There is no live video/instant replay on the video board.
The walls inside the arena are bare (needs banners and all that jazz)
The arena averages more attendance for volleyball than for basketball so it is never as loud as it could be

That's too bad.  Indeed, they should have put instant replay on the video board; secondly, I thought the original plans called for a suspended center hung scoreboard like Hope's; third, I thought that volleyball was going to remain being played in the Capphart Gynasium, although, on second thought, it does make sense for the volleyball team to be afforded the same privileges of playing in the new arena as the basketball teams.


Finally, for sure, Alma needs to get some banners and large photos up around the arena (similar to Michigan State Football Stadium or their hockey arena - i.e. some large photos (historic and of players also) would be a nice touch there instead of the routine "title" i.e. and championship banners that most places hang.  Although, unfuortunately for Alma College, they don't have many of those in basketball or volleyball  ;D ::) (although the volleyball team has done better in some recent years) (I did not intend that as a negative or mean spirited comment, but rather just trying to state the reality).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 24, 2011, 04:45:36 PM
Heidelberg will be a tougher game for Alma, as will Illinois Wesleyan: IWU will beat Alma.  I see wins at Rockford and possibly Hanover, but the latter school may be a tough game for them as well -if it is played.  Do you think Alma will then schedule a "cream puff" in place of Hanover if that game is not played? ??? ::) ;D  I guess it depends on who has an open schedule for a game them (or...will they start earlier or schedule a game in their presently scheduled "bye" weekend?).



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 24, 2011, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 24, 2011, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 24, 2011, 07:27:26 AM
But on the flip-side, to be fair I should point out the things that aren't as good in the arena as well...

There is no center hung scoreboard.
There is no live video/instant replay on the video board.
The walls inside the arena are bare (needs banners and all that jazz)
The arena averages more attendance for volleyball than for basketball so it is never as loud as it could be

That's too bad.  Indeed, they should have put instant replay on the video board; secondly, I thought the original plans called for a suspended center hung scoreboard like Hope's; third, I thought that volleyball was going to remain being played in the Capphart Gynasium, although, on second thought, it does make sense for the volleyball team to be afforded the same privileges of playing in the new arena as the basketball teams.


Finally, for sure, Alma needs to get some banners and large photos up around the arena (similar to Michigan State Football Stadium or their hockey arena - i.e. some large photos (historic and of players also) would be a nice touch there instead of the routine "title" i.e. and championship banners that most places hang.  Although, unfuortunately for Alma College, they don't have many of those in basketball or volleyball  ;D ::) (although the volleyball team has done better in some recent years) (I did not intend that as a negative or mean spirited comment, but rather just trying to state the reality).

formerd3db,

If a school (Alma) does not have the historical sports awards banners, then I would start be using banners to celebrate the school's attributes, then slowing replace them with the awards they do receive. Use the school's colors and mottos' in inspire success versus an empty facility!, IMHO
:)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 24, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Raider68:

That is a very good idea.  I hadn't even given it a thought.  Perhaps in that venue, as you mention, they could bring back some of the early historic althletic logos, tradtional slogans, as well.  Good suggestion, +k for you!

How about it sflzman?  Can you start a campaign to get them to do it?? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2011, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 23, 2011, 05:30:47 PM

Sep. 10    Illinois Wesleyan Univeristy    Alma, MI    


While it is WAY to far off to make any promises, my camper and I may just try to make that game!  Any suggestions on the best place to camp?  (I'd definitely want electricity, but water and sewer hook-ups are entirely optional.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 24, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
FormerD3DB: Yes the original plans did call for a center hung scoreboard, but what had leaked out is that the builders flat out messed up and cut off the ceiling too short - audio systems were also missing in the original building.

The volleyball team not only draws more than our basketball teams, but there are no longer bleachers in Cappaert, it has been converted into a full all-sport practice gym...

There are the WBB National Champions and Regional Champions banners that are for some reason still hanging in Cappaert...it absolutely bewilders me to why...

The lobby and meeting area outside is decorated nicely and there are some sport Past-to-present banners that have enough opacity so you can see the one behind, like there are pictures from 2009 and then behind a black and white pic from 1950ish...

The arena needs all-sport banners above the long sides of the horseshoe design that have conference championships, and miaa school banners in the far end of the horseshoe that feature all 9 teams...

There is also a nice trophy case in the lobby that had the national championship, runner up, and all the final four trophies in it along with a  (itd be a memorial if he had passed - cant think of the name though) for Art Smith (who the arena is named after, and a Josh Brehm (feature maybe should be the word) to go along with a signed helmet and the school's copy of the gagliardi award.

Mr Ypsi: There is a nice There is a nice campground just a few miles SW of town that is near a family swimming area that is a big summer attraction. It has many nice ammenities (aand even a 9 hole mini golf course).

It's linked here: http://www.leisurelakefamilycampground.com/ (http://www.leisurelakefamilycampground.com/)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 24, 2011, 07:06:51 PM
Heidelberg game will be tough, and that is a team that is much faster and more athletic than we are.

IWU will be very tough. I'll leave it at that.

Rockford will be an easy win.

Hanover is almost a for-sure no game.

I'm going to have to do some digging and see if I can get some info into that last game...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2011, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 24, 2011, 06:58:32 PM

Mr Ypsi: There is a nice There is a nice campground just a few miles SW of town that is near a family swimming area that is a big summer attraction. It has many nice ammenities (aand even a 9 hole mini golf course).

It's linked here: http://www.leisurelakefamilycampground.com/ (http://www.leisurelakefamilycampground.com/)

Thanks!  Their picture gallery shows NO trees (not a TOTAL deal-breaker, but shade is usually nice in early September!). :P  From my Michigan atlas I found Just In Time campground east of Ithaca - their pictures seem much more appealing.  Do you know anything about that campground?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 24, 2011, 10:54:50 PM
sflzman:

Thanks for the follow-up info.  For sure, Alma needs to put those banners up as you mention.  BTW, where is the Hall of Fame, the other sports history display cases and the Harburn Tradition of Excellence Scholar-Athlete Awards displayed?  Did they leave all those in the same locations or move them?

Mr. Ypsi:

I normally would be going with the team our opener @ your IWU, however, I know already that I have to work that weekend and can't get it switched.  So if there was a chance  you were going to go, I would have tried to meet you there.  If that changes for me, I'll let you know - plenty of time, I guess. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2011, 11:57:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 24, 2011, 10:54:50 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I normally would be going with the team our opener @ your IWU, however, I know already that I have to work that weekend and can't get it switched.  So if there was a chance  you were going to go, I would have tried to meet you there.  If that changes for me, I'll let you know - plenty of time, I guess. ::)

Neither Hope nor IWU has yet posted their schedule, so I was not even aware of the game, but I have attended exactly one-half of one game in Bloomington since 1969, so the odds of me being there are nil! :D  (The one-half was this fall for my 40th reunion.  As IWU already led NPU 28-0 at the half, I went off to see the women's soccer game.  We decisively won that one too - good day! ;D)

While it is way to early for any promises, I am exploring the possibility of attending the IWU @ Alma game on September 10.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 25, 2011, 04:47:20 PM
Totally understand, Mr. Ypsi.

BTW, here is Hope's 2011 schedule:

Sept 3 Hope @ Illinois Wesleyan  1 PM ET
Sept 10 Wisconsin Lutheran @ Hope 1 PM CT
Sept 17 Millikin @ Hope 1 PM
Sept 24 Hope @ Lakeland, WI 1 PM
Oct 1 Hope @ Alma 1 PM
Oct 8 Kalamazoo @ Hope 1 PM
Oct 15 Albion @ Hope (HOMECOMING) 2 PM
Oct 22 Hope @ Trine 1 PM
Oct 29  bye
Nov 5 Adrian @ Hope 1 PM
Nov 12 Hope @ Olivet 1 PM



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 25, 2011, 04:54:17 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 25, 2011, 04:47:20 PM
Totally understand, Mr. Ypsi.

BTW, here is Hope's 2011 schedule:

Sept 3 Hope @ Illinois Wesleyan  1 PM ET
Sept 10 Wisconsin Lutheran @ Hope 1 PM CT
Sept 17 Millikin @ Hope 1 PM
Sept 24 Hope @ Lakeland, WI 1 PM
Oct 1 Hope @ Alma 1 PM
Oct 8 Kalamazoo @ Hope 1 PM
Oct 15 Albion @ Hope (HOMECOMING) 2 PM
Oct 22 Hope @ Trine 1 PM
Oct 29  bye
Nov 5 Adrian @ Hope 1 PM
Nov 12 Hope @ Olivet 1 PM





formerd3db,

Hope has some early non-conference challenges. IWU away and Millikin at home! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2011, 05:07:09 PM
Millikin is not nearly the challenge they used to be.  For several decades the CCIW had a big four - little four (with Millikin, IWU, Wheaton and Augie in the top group).  NCC has obviously smashed that all to bits, while Millikin has recently battled Elmhurst for 6th or 7th (their unofficial motto is 'thank God for North Park!' ;)).

Don't get me wrong - that will still be a challenge for Hope.  Millikin can still be feisty!  In 2009, they gave IWU their only loss of the season right up to the destruction by UWW in the second round of the playoffs.  (NCC and Wheaton were, at full strength, almost certainly better than IWU that year, but we had the great good fortune of meeting them each when they were decimated by injuries.)  That Millikin game still sticks in my craw - the Titans completely dominated the game statistically (2 to 1 and 3 to 1 margins in yards, first downs, TOP, etc.), but somehow lost 19-13.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 26, 2011, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2011, 05:07:09 PM
Millikin is not nearly the challenge they used to be.  For several decades the CCIW had a big four - little four (with Millikin, IWU, Wheaton and Augie in the top group).  NCC has obviously smashed that all to bits, while Millikin has recently battled Elmhurst for 6th or 7th (their unofficial motto is 'thank God for North Park!' ;)).

Don't get me wrong - that will still be a challenge for Hope.  Millikin can still be feisty!  In 2009, they gave IWU their only loss of the season right up to the destruction by UWW in the second round of the playoffs.  (NCC and Wheaton were, at full strength, almost certainly better than IWU that year, but we had the great good fortune of meeting them each when they were decimated by injuries.)  That Millikin game still sticks in my craw - the Titans completely dominated the game statistically (2 to 1 and 3 to 1 margins in yards, first downs, TOP, etc.), but somehow lost 19-13.

Mr Ypsi,

Adrian plays Augustana this fall. With a new coach what do you expect from them and how do they rank in the CCIW? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2011, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 26, 2011, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2011, 05:07:09 PM
Millikin is not nearly the challenge they used to be.  For several decades the CCIW had a big four - little four (with Millikin, IWU, Wheaton and Augie in the top group).  NCC has obviously smashed that all to bits, while Millikin has recently battled Elmhurst for 6th or 7th (their unofficial motto is 'thank God for North Park!' ;)).

Don't get me wrong - that will still be a challenge for Hope.  Millikin can still be feisty!  In 2009, they gave IWU their only loss of the season right up to the destruction by UWW in the second round of the playoffs.  (NCC and Wheaton were, at full strength, almost certainly better than IWU that year, but we had the great good fortune of meeting them each when they were decimated by injuries.)  That Millikin game still sticks in my craw - the Titans completely dominated the game statistically (2 to 1 and 3 to 1 margins in yards, first downs, TOP, etc.), but somehow lost 19-13.

Mr Ypsi,

Adrian plays Augustana this fall. With a new coach what do you expect from them and how do they rank in the CCIW? :-\

Sorry, I can't really help you much on that one (except that I'd expect Augie to win fairly easily).  There are several regular Augie posters on the CCIW board who might be more help.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 26, 2011, 09:25:47 PM
Talked to Mr Leister today...

The Hanover will not take place, and currently there is only 9 games on the schedule...

Hanover did not want to play us and backed out of the home-and-home contract before last season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2011, 10:27:43 PM
sflzman:

Did Coach/AD Liester give any reason why Hanover backed out of the scheduled series?  If he didn't, I certainly understand as those aspects sometimes are best left confidential between the administrative parties; nonetheless, I was just curious.  Seems to me, that although Hanover is located at the southern end of Indiana, still, that is not an exessive long-distance trip. 

Anyway, hopefully, Alma will be able to replace them with another opponent.  Keep us posted and, of course, we'll keep periodically checking the Alma athletic website for that. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on January 27, 2011, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 26, 2011, 10:27:43 PM
Seems to me, that although Hanover is located at the southern end of Indiana, still, that is not an exessive long-distance trip. 

Not sure, d3db, but recollection was about 7hrs between Madison, IN and Mt. Pleasant (story attached to that bit of trivia for another time and place  ::)) - 8 (or 8.5 if not for "sloppy Toms") with a fowl, obligatory stop at Turkeyville, enroute.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 27, 2011, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 26, 2011, 10:27:43 PM
sflzman:

Did Coach/AD Liester give any reason why Hanover backed out of the scheduled series?  If he didn't, I certainly understand as those aspects sometimes are best left confidential between the administrative parties; nonetheless, I was just curious.  Seems to me, that although Hanover is located at the southern end of Indiana, still, that is not an exessive long-distance trip. 

Anyway, hopefully, Alma will be able to replace them with another opponent.  Keep us posted and, of course, we'll keep periodically checking the Alma athletic website for that. Thanks for the update.

He didn't tell me a reason other than flat-out they didn't want to play us...

Hanover to Alma is only 6.5 hours

We go to River Falls in 11.5,
Or IWU in 6.5

Either way, he says they're looking right now, in region, i.e. minnesota wisconsin illinois indiana ohio (maybe kentucky, iowa) and now with most schedules being full you have to look at d2 too, like our trip to kentucky last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2011, 08:40:49 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on January 27, 2011, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 26, 2011, 10:27:43 PM
Seems to me, that although Hanover is located at the southern end of Indiana, still, that is not an exessive long-distance trip. 

Not sure, d3db, but recollection was about 7hrs between Madison, IN and Mt. Pleasant (story attached to that bit of trivia for another time and place  ::)) - 8 (or 8.5 if not for "sloppy Toms") with a fowl, obligatory stop at Turkeyville, enroute.  ;D ;D

We have been tempted to take the Turkeyville exit many times on our way to Trine but have never done so.  What are we missing?  Is it to turkeys like Frankenmuth is to chicken?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on January 27, 2011, 09:06:13 AM
A bit more "down on the farm" than Zehnder's or Bavarian Inn, Uncle R.  Plain and simple, but pretty decent food and good spot for a stretch before that last 35 minutes into scenic Steuben County.  ;D www.turkeyville.com (http://www.turkeyville.com)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 27, 2011, 11:17:26 PM
That is interesting sflzman; Hanover's decision doesn't make sense - they must have their reasons.  Anyway, as far as potentially filling the open slot with a DII school, I have no problem with that - I've always been in favor of such (I won't reiterate the reasons as we've discussed all that here in the past many times).  As I mentioned, we'll keep on the "look out" for what Alma eventually schedules.

Cave2, Uncle R:
I've never been to Turkeyville either, although my wife has.  I've heard it is a great time.  Maybe we should all meet there sometime on the way to a game! ;D  It is not far from Olivet i.e. "The Big O"!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 28, 2011, 07:47:57 AM
This Turkeyville sounds interesting...

I agree with you formerd3db, I would love to see a D2 team on the schedule...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 28, 2011, 08:53:20 AM
sflzman,

What about North Coast Conference teams for Alma in 2012? :-\

1. Wittenberg
2. Wabash
3. Allegheny
4. Wooster
5. Ohio Wesleyan
6. Denison
7. Kenyon
8. Oberlin
9. Hiram
10. DePauw

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 28, 2011, 09:01:04 AM
Quote from: sflzman on January 28, 2011, 07:47:57 AM
This Turkeyville sounds interesting...

I agree with you formerd3db, I would love to see a D2 team on the schedule...

As the others have mentioned, the turkey dinners and atmosphere is very enjoyable (so I've heard from my wife and others who have been there).  While it is open in the summer, I would think the in the fall is the best atmosphere (you, know, the fall "nostalgia" thing i.e. turkey in the fall) to go, although that is probably not the most opportune time for any of us to go with regards to the football season.  Unless, as I mentioned, some of us could meet for a quick dinner on the way home from one of the area games - who knows?!

Anyway, yes, as you know, Alma has played DII schools in the past (of course KWU last year, even though they are non-scholarship DII), but also Gannon, Tiffin as well and they usually have their final pre-season scrimmage against Northwood - the latter of which I think is a good thing to do and really prepares them for the season against DIII competition.  And in years "way back" they used to play Ferris State (similar to Hope playing a DII school on occasion "way back in my day" ;D). Some people here (on the d3boards, not necessarily our board) have not been in favor of this practice, in part, due to the powere rankings for the plahyoffs- although that pertains mainly to those schools who do not have the AQ.  For us in the MIAA, IMO, that doesn't matter because we do have the AQ and besides...it gives the players a neat opportunity to play against the "next level" of competition.  Just MO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 28, 2011, 05:40:50 PM
former: I agree with you that d2 games are good, and I personally would try to put one on the schedule every year. As you know there were those countless games against CMU, MSU, EMU, and WMU back a LONG time ago, but the Northwood scrimmages have been more recent. The coaches opted out of Northwood last year because they didn't want Heidleberg to have access to any scouting reports or film...they went "secretly" to play North Park at Lakeshore High School and lost by a TD...

Raider68: I haven't seen schedules on most of the websites of the schools in region, and the ones I do see have all ten slots filled. But yes the North Coast is a possibility, the only thing that the coaches want to do is make sure it's an in-region game...

Another MIAA school playing up is the annual Home-and-Home for Albion with Butler, a 1-AA non-scholarship team...Even though it's non-scholarship, how would you like to be on a team that is D1 and have to go to a little D3 school for two of your four years (or even possibly 3/5)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 29, 2011, 09:49:52 AM
sflzman:

Regarding the Albion/Butler series, I think that is great.  Some people (critics ::) ;D) on the various boards have argued that most of the DI-AA non-scholarship teams are essentially eqivalent to DIII teams and on occasion, some upper tier DIII teams.  While I think that is for the most part true, I disagree in that it is not always true.  There have been some years when some DI-AA teams have been what I would compare to as good as some of the lower tier DI-AA scholarship teams (a few years ago, Dayton beat Yale and also another example was Jim Harbaugh's last University of San Diego team).  I would conceed, however, that in the current era, those non-scholarship DI-AA (actually they are now classified as FCS  non-scholarship) are equivalent to DIII (at least in our greater region) and I believe a big part of that is due to the rise in DII schools offering scholarships.  Some current FCS non-scholarship schools have decided to return to scholarship football, such as Fordham, Bucknell and I believe that even Butler is now considering that move in its eventual future plans (as they've upgraded the Butler Bowl and from what I've heard "through the grapevine" from various sources).

I know that in the past, other MIAA teams have played (former) DI-AA teams incuding Hope, Alma and Olivet and I can tell you that in some of those years, those DI-AA teams were a step above most DIII teams - and in some other years they were not.  IMO, it all depends on the year, at least back then.  However, again, I think much of that has changed and we will now be seeing only an occasional FCS non-scholarship team (whether in the Pioneer League or not) being a truly step above DIII.  I think it can and will still happen on occasion, although not often.  Nonetheless, like playing DIII schools as we've been discussing, IMO, I certainly have no problem with scheduling an FCS non-scholarship team on occasion. In regards to the latter and your last paragraph in your previous post about what the Butler players might think about playing a DIII, I'm not sure.  Most likely, if they (Butler for example) are truly thinking of going to the "next level" the players might not be overly enthusiastic about playing a DIII team, however, they obviously don't have a say in that! ;D  On the other hand, a program has to go through that transition period in its scheduling to get to that next leve - i.e. examples Central Florida, South Florida, etc.

Of course, I'm sure there will be some people on these boards that disagree with me on all of the above, however, that is MO and what I've personally observed in past years.

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 29, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 28, 2011, 05:40:50 PM
former: I agree with you that d2 games are good, and I personally would try to put one on the schedule every year. As you know there were those countless games against CMU, MSU, EMU, and WMU back a LONG time ago, but the Northwood scrimmages have been more recent. The coaches opted out of Northwood last year because they didn't want Heidleberg to have access to any scouting reports or film...they went "secretly" to play North Park at Lakeshore High School and lost by a TD...

Raider68: I haven't seen schedules on most of the websites of the schools in region, and the ones I do see have all ten slots filled. But yes the North Coast is a possibility, the only thing that the coaches want to do is make sure it's an in-region game...

Another MIAA school playing up is the annual Home-and-Home for Albion with Butler, a 1-AA non-scholarship team...Even though it's non-scholarship, how would you like to be on a team that is D1 and have to go to a little D3 school for two of your four years (or even possibly 3/5)?

sflzman,

Hope they look at the NCAC in the next few years, since it would be a good opportunity if the distance is not a problem! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 30, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 29, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 28, 2011, 05:40:50 PM
former: I agree with you that d2 games are good, and I personally would try to put one on the schedule every year. As you know there were those countless games against CMU, MSU, EMU, and WMU back a LONG time ago, but the Northwood scrimmages have been more recent. The coaches opted out of Northwood last year because they didn't want Heidleberg to have access to any scouting reports or film...they went "secretly" to play North Park at Lakeshore High School and lost by a TD...

Raider68: I haven't seen schedules on most of the websites of the schools in region, and the ones I do see have all ten slots filled. But yes the North Coast is a possibility, the only thing that the coaches want to do is make sure it's an in-region game...

Another MIAA school playing up is the annual Home-and-Home for Albion with Butler, a 1-AA non-scholarship team...Even though it's non-scholarship, how would you like to be on a team that is D1 and have to go to a little D3 school for two of your four years (or even possibly 3/5)?

sflzman,

Hope they look at the NCAC in the next few years, since it would be a good opportunity if the distance is not a problem! :)

Honestly I just hope we can get another game...I don't care it's at...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 31, 2011, 03:42:38 PM
sac, formerd3db,

Will U of M land any top Rivals recruits, they could sure use some? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 31, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Boo Michigan! They stole our jug!
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 31, 2011, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 31, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Boo Michigan! They stole our jug!
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shamasportsheadliners.com%2Fimages%2Flittle%2520Brown%2520Jug%252001.jpg&hash=19c0d307708177b0822fec19e3f4047e3eb29eac)


Someone needs a history lesson.

As Yost and the team came into Minneapolis, student manager Thomas B. Roberts was told to purchase something to carry water. Yost was somewhat concerned that Gopher fans might contaminate his water supply. Roberts purchased a five-gallon jug for 30¢ from a local variety store.

Twenty thousand fans watched the matchup between the two teams in an overflowing Northrop Field. Minnesota held the fabled "point-a-minute" squad to just one touchdown, but hadn't yet managed to score a touchdown of their own. Finally, late in the second half, the Gophers reached the endzone to tie the game at 6–6. As clouds from an impending storm hung overhead, pandemonium struck when Minnesota fans stormed the field in celebration. Eventually the game had to be called with two minutes remaining. The Wolverines walked off the field, leaving the jug behind in the locker room of the University of Minnesota Armory.[3]

The next day custodian Oscar Munson brought the jug to L. J. Cooke, head of the Minnesota athletics department, and declared in a thick Scandinavian accent: "Yost left his jug." Exactly how Munson came to possess the jug is a bit of a mystery. Some accounts say that Munson purposely stole the jug in the chaos that ended the game, although most believe it was accidentally left behind. Thomas Roberts, writing in 1956, stated that the jug had served its purpose, so he intentionally left it sitting on the field.


Still, Cooke and Munson were excited to have this little bit of memorabilia, proceeding to paint it brown (it had originally been putty-colored and currently is painted half blue, which is Michigan's color) and commemorate the day by writing "Michigan Jug – Captured by Oscar, October 31, 1903" on the side along with the score "Michigan 6, Minnesota 6". Of course, in the spirit of the moment, Minnesota's score was written many times larger than that of Michigan.

Later, Yost wanted the jug back, and sent a letter asking it to be returned. Cooke wrote in response: "We have your little brown jug; if you want it, you'll have to win it." Michigan did exactly that when the teams met up again in 1909, and repeated the performance in 1910. Minnesota and Michigan met up again in 1919 after Michigan rejoined the Big Ten Conference, marking the first year that Minnesota won the Jug outright.


It is quite cleary our jug and the history of scores doesn't dispell that either.  ;)



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 31, 2011, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 31, 2011, 03:42:38 PM
sac, formerd3db,

Will U of M land any top Rivals recruits, they could sure use some? :-\

Depends on what you mean by top.

They weren't going to have a full class anyway, something like only 20 scholarships available.  They have a few 4-star kids..

Brennan Byer DE
Chris Bryant OL
Blake Countess DB
Justice Hayes RB
Raymon Taylor ATH

11 of the 17 are defensive players, which ya know Michigan might need a couple of those......and a Kicker.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/commitments/2011/michigan-29;_ylt=Ai09T.Vmoa7WA5LkIP1d1C1JPZB4

Justice Hayes is the only top 100 kid and not just because he has a sweet name.


Rivals has them #28 with only 17 kids, the fewest of anyone in their top 30 by far.  The thinking I've read is that they're only after 6 more kids, with 3 of them pretty likely UM commits and another a "feel good" he will commit, the other two "gravy"


Michigan returns 20 of 22 starters so it isn't like any of these Freshmen are absolute need to contribute right away guys.  I think the biggest positive from this class will be the rebuilding of depth on the defense.  4 or 5 of these guys may contribute next year, but they won't be playing 8 Fr. at a time on defense like like last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2011, 11:03:58 PM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2011, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 31, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Boo Michigan! They stole our jug!
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shamasportsheadliners.com%2Fimages%2Flittle%2520Brown%2520Jug%252001.jpg&hash=19c0d307708177b0822fec19e3f4047e3eb29eac)


Someone needs a history lesson.

As Yost and the team came into Minneapolis, student manager Thomas B. Roberts was told to purchase something to carry water. Yost was somewhat concerned that Gopher fans might contaminate his water supply. Roberts purchased a five-gallon jug for 30¢ from a local variety store.

Twenty thousand fans watched the matchup between the two teams in an overflowing Northrop Field. Minnesota held the fabled "point-a-minute" squad to just one touchdown, but hadn't yet managed to score a touchdown of their own. Finally, late in the second half, the Gophers reached the endzone to tie the game at 6–6. As clouds from an impending storm hung overhead, pandemonium struck when Minnesota fans stormed the field in celebration. Eventually the game had to be called with two minutes remaining. The Wolverines walked off the field, leaving the jug behind in the locker room of the University of Minnesota Armory.[3]

The next day custodian Oscar Munson brought the jug to L. J. Cooke, head of the Minnesota athletics department, and declared in a thick Scandinavian accent: "Yost left his jug." Exactly how Munson came to possess the jug is a bit of a mystery. Some accounts say that Munson purposely stole the jug in the chaos that ended the game, although most believe it was accidentally left behind. Thomas Roberts, writing in 1956, stated that the jug had served its purpose, so he intentionally left it sitting on the field.


Still, Cooke and Munson were excited to have this little bit of memorabilia, proceeding to paint it brown (it had originally been putty-colored and currently is painted half blue, which is Michigan's color) and commemorate the day by writing "Michigan Jug – Captured by Oscar, October 31, 1903" on the side along with the score "Michigan 6, Minnesota 6". Of course, in the spirit of the moment, Minnesota's score was written many times larger than that of Michigan.

Later, Yost wanted the jug back, and sent a letter asking it to be returned. Cooke wrote in response: "We have your little brown jug; if you want it, you'll have to win it." Michigan did exactly that when the teams met up again in 1909, and repeated the performance in 1910. Minnesota and Michigan met up again in 1919 after Michigan rejoined the Big Ten Conference, marking the first year that Minnesota won the Jug outright.


It is quite cleary our jug and the history of scores doesn't dispell that either.  ;)

Now be fair, sac.  Just because WE paid the 30 cents for it, and have won it over 70% of the time, doesn't mean it is ours.

Right. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 31, 2011, 11:13:54 PM
sac,

Thanks for all the info on U of M on recruits, etc.! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 31, 2011, 11:14:16 PM
Great history lession/review there, sac!  That same year, Yost's Univ. of Michigan team smashed Albion of our MIAA 76-0! ::) :o ;D :-[ :( :)  (Albion also played Michigan's frosh team, although they fared much better against the younger i.e. first year Michigan players as Albion tied them 0-0.  A great morale booster for Albion, who also beat Michigan State that year 6-5.  Anyway, thanks for the great "return to yesteryear" story!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 01, 2011, 07:38:04 AM
Ok, ok...I know it is "technically" Michigan's jug, and they "technically" have a slim majority (;)) of the wins, but I'd still like to think of it as ours...

Hopefully this new coach can bring it back to the 3/4 empty rivalry trpphy case...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 01, 2011, 11:49:20 AM
What is the MIAA's best. longest, greatest rivalry? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on February 01, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 01, 2011, 11:49:20 AM
What is the MIAA's best. longest, greatest rivalry? :-\

Olivet first played Albion in 1884.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 01, 2011, 12:16:01 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on February 01, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 01, 2011, 11:49:20 AM
What is the MIAA's best. longest, greatest rivalry? :-\

Olivet first played Albion in 1884.

Thanks OC! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 01, 2011, 12:31:18 PM
3 of the longest running rivalries in the MIAA all involve Albion.  They're kind of the linchpin on MIAA sports history.  


Albion vs Olivet  1884  110 games
Albion vs Kzoo   1896  125 games
Albion vs Alma   1900  109 games

http://miaa.org/fb/fbserie.html

according to this, Olivet and Kzoo played football in 1892, they've played 101 times,
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 01, 2011, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: sac on February 01, 2011, 12:31:18 PM
3 of the longest running rivalries in the MIAA all involve Albion.  They're kind of the linchpin on MIAA sports history. 


Albion vs Olivet  1884  110 games
Albion vs Kzoo   1896  125 games
Albion vs Alma   1900  109 games

http://miaa.org/fb/fbserie.html

according to this, Olivet and Kzoo played football in 1892, they've played 101 times,


sac, +k

Thanks, Albion beat Mount Union in the 1994 Quarterfinals 34-33 and went on the win the National title that year!

Maybe they will challenge Trine this year! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 01, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Alma first met Kalamzoo in 1895, and this seasons matchup at Alma celebrated the series's 100th meeting...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 02, 2011, 07:12:17 PM
Alright let's keep up the talk about something at least...

The killer snowstorm, next year's MIAA football race...anything!

Will Olivet win a league game this season? Any game at all?

Will Trine lose a regular season game?

Who will finish highest of the "A" schools, probably 2nd, 3rd, and 4th respectively in the league this season...

How bout those Big Ten division names?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 02, 2011, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 02, 2011, 07:12:17 PM


How bout those Big Ten division names?  ;D ;D

I think they are legendary and keeping them despite public outcry shows a lack of leadership
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 02, 2011, 07:33:40 PM
They say we got 12" here in Lansing at the airport, and I'm close enough to the airport where I guess I have to count it as truth.

I live up against a woods with a smallish valley type thing going on so my backyard shows almost no affects from the snow being out of the wind.  I only counted 8" on the table I cleared before the snow.  I supposed its possible some of that blew away.

The front yard and our neighborhood facing North into the wind is a comical nightmare.  I'm betting it will be Friday before we see a snowplow.  Everyone's driveway and sidewalks are cleared tonight, but no one can get down the street to go anywhere.

... my Lansing State Journal arrived during the height of the storm and was waiting for me this morning, bless them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 02, 2011, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: sac on February 02, 2011, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 02, 2011, 07:12:17 PM


How bout those Big Ten division names?  ;D ;D

I think they are legendary and keeping them despite public outcry shows a lack of leadership

I would normally give a +k for the pun, but that one - no offense - was flat-out terrible, and not punny at all...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 02, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: sac on February 02, 2011, 07:33:40 PM

... my Lansing State Journal arrived during the height of the storm and was waiting for me this morning, bless them.

Thank god for mailmen and newspaper deliverers!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 02, 2011, 09:02:57 PM
I think Newman must be my mailman because they didn't deliver today.

Neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow....its the THIRD one!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 03, 2011, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: sac on February 02, 2011, 09:02:57 PM
I think Newman must be my mailman because they didn't deliver today.

Neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow....its the THIRD one!!!

Come to think of it, I don't know if mine came...I didn't even check...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 03, 2011, 03:43:44 PM
sac:

I live in the same area (i.e. Lansing/East Lansing) as you and, at least in our subdivision, we got 12" and this did not count the drifts (I measured yesterday).  Also, I guess I never realized that you and I (both being Hope fans) live in the same region - in addition to that, since we're both U of Michigan fans, we have to be careful around here!! :D ;)

BTW, you've got to be kidding?  You still get the Lansing State Journal?  I quit wasting my $ on that piece of trash newspaper long ago  ::) :P :o :)  (I could use stronger language here, but I won't since I learned my "manners" at Hope! ;D :o)

sflzman:
I do think that Olivet will win a game this fall.  I'd say one game that they may have a chance is against Kalamazoo perhaps, although the latter was much improved last year despite their overall record.  Olivet's non-conference schedule is another brutal one this year.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 03, 2011, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 02, 2011, 07:12:17 PM
Alright let's keep up the talk about something at least...

The killer snowstorm, next year's MIAA football race...anything!

Will Olivet win a league game this season? Any game at all?

Will Trine lose a regular season game?

Who will finish highest of the "A" schools, probably 2nd, 3rd, and 4th respectively in the league this season...

How bout those Big Ten division names?  ;D ;D

1. Olivet will win a game!

2. Yes, Trine will lose a game during the season.

3. Albion, (2nd) Adrian/Alma, tie, sorry sflzman! :(

4. Do not like the names, should have used East and West, IMHO! ::)




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 03, 2011, 03:53:09 PM
MSU did not fare that great in football signings on Groundhog Day!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 03, 2011, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 03, 2011, 03:43:44 PM

BTW, you've got to be kidding?  You still get the Lansing State Journal?  I quit wasting my $ on that piece of trash newspaper long ago  ::) :P :o :)  (I could use stronger language here, but I won't since I learned my "manners" at Hope! ;D :o)



How else would I know that there's anything happening outside of Spartan athletics......I certainly won't learn anything from Tim Stoudts broadcasts. ;)

Mostly I get it for local HS coverage, they are at least competent in that area.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 03, 2011, 04:03:44 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 03, 2011, 03:53:09 PM
MSU did not fare that great in football signings on Groundhog Day!

Impossible, the Free Press says they OWN the State now. :P

Rivals class rankings for MSU
2008..#47
2009..#17
2010..#30
2011..#31

This is being spun as MSU's building recruiting momentum on their recent success.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: sac on February 03, 2011, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 03, 2011, 03:43:44 PM

BTW, you've got to be kidding?  You still get the Lansing State Journal?  I quit wasting my $ on that piece of trash newspaper long ago  ::) :P :o :)  (I could use stronger language here, but I won't since I learned my "manners" at Hope! ;D :o)



How else would I know that there's anything happening outside of Spartan athletics......I certainly won't learn anything from Tim Stoudts broadcasts. ;)

Mostly I get it for local HS coverage, they are at least competent in that area.

At least you guys still have a choice! :P  The Ann Arbor News folded (18? months ago), replaced by annarbor.com (which does put out a paper edition on Thurs and Sun).  Overall, it is a very inferior substitute (despite the fact that in later years the AA News had gone so far down hill I nearly canceled).  Combine that with the Freep delivering only 3 days a week (Th, F, and Sun) and my other 4 days are just not the same in the morning! :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 03, 2011, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: sac on February 03, 2011, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 03, 2011, 03:43:44 PM

BTW, you've got to be kidding?  You still get the Lansing State Journal?  I quit wasting my $ on that piece of trash newspaper long ago  ::) :P :o :)  (I could use stronger language here, but I won't since I learned my "manners" at Hope! ;D :o)



How else would I know that there's anything happening outside of Spartan athletics......I certainly won't learn anything from Tim Stoudts broadcasts. ;)

Mostly I get it for local HS coverage, they are at least competent in that area.

At least you guys still have a choice! :P  The Ann Arbor News folded (18? months ago), replaced by annarbor.com (which does put out a paper edition on Thurs and Sun).  Overall, it is a very inferior substitute (despite the fact that in later years the AA News had gone so far down hill I nearly canceled).  Combine that with the Freep delivering only 3 days a week (Th, F, and Sun) and my other 4 days are just not the same in the morning! :(

My dad was a subscriber to the Ann Arbor News for years, it would arrive by mail 2 days after the date.  He was a hardcore Michigan guy and in the 70's/80's the AAN was as good as it got when reporting on U of M athletics.  I always enjoyed reading it on occasion.

Just an aside to how times have changed, my dad would read the LSJ, Detroit News and Ann Arbor News and would typically bring home the USA Today from work every day.....who can even do that now?

Even in college and up until several years ago my morning routine was still to sit down and sift through the paper.  Now I typically only glance at the stuff I know isn't online.

Crazy.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2011, 08:47:48 PM
Quote from: sac on February 03, 2011, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: sac on February 03, 2011, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 03, 2011, 03:43:44 PM

BTW, you've got to be kidding?  You still get the Lansing State Journal?  I quit wasting my $ on that piece of trash newspaper long ago  ::) :P :o :)  (I could use stronger language here, but I won't since I learned my "manners" at Hope! ;D :o)



How else would I know that there's anything happening outside of Spartan athletics......I certainly won't learn anything from Tim Stoudts broadcasts. ;)

Mostly I get it for local HS coverage, they are at least competent in that area.

At least you guys still have a choice! :P  The Ann Arbor News folded (18? months ago), replaced by annarbor.com (which does put out a paper edition on Thurs and Sun).  Overall, it is a very inferior substitute (despite the fact that in later years the AA News had gone so far down hill I nearly canceled).  Combine that with the Freep delivering only 3 days a week (Th, F, and Sun) and my other 4 days are just not the same in the morning! :(

My dad was a subscriber to the Ann Arbor News for years, it would arrive by mail 2 days after the date.  He was a hardcore Michigan guy and in the 70's/80's the AAN was as good as it got when reporting on U of M athletics.  I always enjoyed reading it on occasion.

Just an aside to how times have changed, my dad would read the LSJ, Detroit News and Ann Arbor News and would typically bring home the USA Today from work every day.....who can even do that now?

Even in college and up until several years ago my morning routine was still to sit down and sift through the paper.  Now I typically only glance at the stuff I know isn't online.

Crazy.

Yeah, I'm older than you. :P

I really miss a paper copy of the 'paper' with my morning coffee. :(

I'm not totally hopeless - I'm adjusting to my morning coffee in front of my computer, but dammit it just isn't the same. >:(

On the other hand, I'm not sure either of my 'kids' (now 22 and 19) reads a 'paper' at all! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on February 04, 2011, 12:07:23 AM
The only time that I sit down and read an actual newspaper is my once every other week trip to the Charlotte Library. On those Fridays, I try to leave work a little early, stop at the library and then grab dinner at one of the nice restaurants in downtown Charlotte.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 04, 2011, 07:15:12 AM
The Newspaper business is dead. Lack of content and completely bias Democrat or Republican.

The Freep/Det News is poor at best. Only comes a few days a week. Stopped delivery many years ago even before the rash of strikes. Now that we have moved, I read segments on line to keep current on Detroit area.

I read the Wall Street Journal arrives early every morning and is the most un-biased news you will find in print anymore. Read while eating breakfast.
There is actual thought instead of fluff in the articles.

I will still go get multiple Sunday papers, lay down on the sofa with a Hot Tea, dog on your lap and read from end to end all of the segments. Best way to start a Sunday morning.

Couple good recruiting classses for UofM and MSU, filled needs and fit profiles. I do not pay much attention to the "Stars" rating except if a team signs multiple 5 stars. The "experts" can not be wrong on all of the 5 Stars, there will be a base of talent in the group.
I like the attention MSU and UofM payed to Defense, that is the key to winning on a high level. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 04, 2011, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on February 04, 2011, 12:07:23 AM
The only time that I sit down and read an actual newspaper is my once every other week trip to the Charlotte Library. On those Fridays, I try to leave work a little early, stop at the library and then grab dinner at one of the nice restaurants in downtown Charlotte.

I like Charlotte, a nice little town...Olivet is..."cute", but there is not much there!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 05, 2011, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 04, 2011, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on February 04, 2011, 12:07:23 AM
The only time that I sit down and read an actual newspaper is my once every other week trip to the Charlotte Library. On those Fridays, I try to leave work a little early, stop at the library and then grab dinner at one of the nice restaurants in downtown Charlotte.

I like Charlotte, a nice little town...Olivet is..."cute", but there is not much there!  ;D

When we were in Michigan, we lived in Portage, a nice growing town next door to Kalamazoo! Our son played at Portage Central H.S, well known then, maybe still for a great school both athletically and academically. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 06, 2011, 08:49:21 AM
Recent Rumblings on MIAA Football Recruits

Brian Bush Novi DB Adrian
Garrett Barnes Owosso QB Adrian
Jacob Kenyon Portland QB Alma
Trevor Kramer St Johns OL/DL Albion

Couple others out there, but waiting for the kids to publically say/post it

A lot of Hillsdale high quality players should challenge GVSU for league.

It is early out nice to talk about recruits
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 06, 2011, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: D306 on February 06, 2011, 08:49:21 AM
Recent Rumblings on MIAA Football Recruits

Brian Bush Novi DB Adrian
Garrett Barnes Owosso QB Adrian
Jacob Kenyon Portland QB Alma
Trevor Kramer St Johns OL/DL Albion

Couple others out there, but waiting for the kids to publically say/post it

A lot of Hillsdale high quality players should challenge GVSU for league.

It is early out nice to talk about recruits

Alma had a big recruit day yesterday and the whole coaching staff was in. Didn't get the chance to talk to anyone, but over heard one of the coaches saying we got some 6-4 wideout. didn't catch the name though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 06, 2011, 02:51:48 PM
D306 and sflzman:

Indeed, good to hear of some of the recruiting around the MIAA.  Thanks for the updates.  I haven't yet heard about Hope's recruiits, but will probably get a chance to find out in the near future.

sflzman:

While it was great to hear that Alma had a good fb recruiting day yesterday, on the other hand, it was sad to see that only 483 fans showed up at the new arena for the basketball game against league leading Hope.  Although we discussed this somewhat on this board a couple of weeks ago, it is still sad to see.  Even Hope's women's basketball team drew 3433 yesterday at home for their game; Hope's men's bb team has been drawing 2600-2700 per game during the mid-week and for big games such as against Calvin, capacity crowds towards 3900 at DeVos (while there was over 4,000 at Calvin for the Calvin-Hope game there).  I recall you mentioned that Alma's volleyball team outdraws the bb team as do the local high schools when the latter have played at Alma's arena.

I would think that the new arena would be a big draw for recruits, however, until Alma's bb team gets improved, I sense that even with the new "digs" it will be difficult to get some upper tier talent coming to the school.  Subsequently, the local community and outlying regions are not going to have fans flocking to the new Art Smith Arena until they start winning.   I hope that can change ove the next year or so, but as usual, we'll all just have to wait and see.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 06, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
Yes you bring up good points, the local community will not start coming to games until  teams start winning...

That attendance figure is terrible, the arena has 500 chairback seats, and can hold 3,030 seated people. There were easily 450 people in chairbacks, and the entire hope area was full, not to mention the student side was 2/3 full, so I'd say roughly 800-900 people, which would be second largest crowd to the high school game which brought in easily over 2500...

The problem is most of our coaches do not realize what they need to do to recruit. The funny thing is, is that the only one who really gets it, is Terry Smith. And he finally realized he couldn't bring in the kids he wanted from Detroit, Chicago, and Cincinatti. So this year's freshmen class (arguably top 3 in our conference) he goes through Michigan from Alma to the UP and gets what he needs recruiting from there. You look at this team, they've competed with every team they've played this year. They may not have won many, but they are a competitive team.

The problem is most of our coaches don't realize this and go into southern michigan where you have 10-20 other schools looking at the same kid. You're not going to win most battles with this high GPA bottom (if that makes sense).

The other thing is (I grew up in Miami, FL and Portland, OR) and being a city guy I can tell you right now how unlikely it would be for me to choose Alma as a school to go to. Alma and Mt. Pleasant pretty much end civilization in Michigan...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 06, 2011, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: D306 on February 06, 2011, 08:49:21 AM
Recent Rumblings on MIAA Football Recruits

Brian Bush Novi DB Adrian
Garrett Barnes Owosso QB Adrian
Jacob Kenyon Portland QB Alma
Trevor Kramer St Johns OL/DL Albion

Couple others out there, but waiting for the kids to publically say/post it

A lot of Hillsdale high quality players should challenge GVSU for league.

It is early out nice to talk about recruits

D306,

Thanks for the update! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 06, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 06, 2011, 04:39:29 PM

That attendance figure is terrible, the arena has 500 chairback seats, and can hold 3,030 seated people. There were easily 450 people in chairbacks, and the entire hope area was full, not to mention the student side was 2/3 full, so I'd say roughly 800-900 people, which would be second largest crowd to the high school game which brought in easily over 2500...


Its the most people I've seen at an Alma game that I've been to, but I find all of your statements about the crowd pretty exaggerated.

There were lots of empty seats in the chairbacks and the student area was nowhere near 2/3's full. The Hope section was nowhere near full either.

The attendance figure might not have matched the exact crowd, and I believe it was probably a little more than reported but not by more than 100 or so.  I've been to 3 games at Olivet that I think had bigger crowds and none of those were 800 people.

Either way it was a nice turnout.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 07, 2011, 07:48:41 AM
Quote from: sac on February 06, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 06, 2011, 04:39:29 PM

That attendance figure is terrible, the arena has 500 chairback seats, and can hold 3,030 seated people. There were easily 450 people in chairbacks, and the entire hope area was full, not to mention the student side was 2/3 full, so I'd say roughly 800-900 people, which would be second largest crowd to the high school game which brought in easily over 2500...


Its the most people I've seen at an Alma game that I've been to, but I find all of your statements about the crowd pretty exaggerated.

There were lots of empty seats in the chairbacks and the student area was nowhere near 2/3's full. The Hope section was nowhere near full either.

The attendance figure might not have matched the exact crowd, and I believe it was probably a little more than reported but not by more than 100 or so.  I've been to 3 games at Olivet that I think had bigger crowds and none of those were 800 people.

Either way it was a nice turnout.

There were only 50-100 empty chairbacks, and the section Hope had from my angle was full as I could tell....

There were quite a few students (especially compared to the average draw) but the numbers at the end of the game were few since they all left early....

800 people is an exagerration, but there were easily over 600 people at that game. 800, maybe not, but 600 is still a lot more than 483....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 07, 2011, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 07, 2011, 07:48:41 AM
Quote from: sac on February 06, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 06, 2011, 04:39:29 PM

That attendance figure is terrible, the arena has 500 chairback seats, and can hold 3,030 seated people. There were easily 450 people in chairbacks, and the entire hope area was full, not to mention the student side was 2/3 full, so I'd say roughly 800-900 people, which would be second largest crowd to the high school game which brought in easily over 2500...


Its the most people I've seen at an Alma game that I've been to, but I find all of your statements about the crowd pretty exaggerated.

There were lots of empty seats in the chairbacks and the student area was nowhere near 2/3's full. The Hope section was nowhere near full either.

The attendance figure might not have matched the exact crowd, and I believe it was probably a little more than reported but not by more than 100 or so.  I've been to 3 games at Olivet that I think had bigger crowds and none of those were 800 people.

Either way it was a nice turnout.

There were only 50-100 empty chairbacks, and the section Hope had from my angle was full as I could tell....

There were quite a few students (especially compared to the average draw) but the numbers at the end of the game were few since they all left early....

800 people is an exagerration, but there were easily over 600 people at that game. 800, maybe not, but 600 is still a lot more than 483....

I'll be generous and grant you the 600 (I doubt it was over 500 personally).  The thing that hit me the most was that other than the Hope fans, there was no noise, especially none from the students.  Hope players shot free throws in absolute silence.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 08, 2011, 07:39:39 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 07, 2011, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 07, 2011, 07:48:41 AM
Quote from: sac on February 06, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 06, 2011, 04:39:29 PM

That attendance figure is terrible, the arena has 500 chairback seats, and can hold 3,030 seated people. There were easily 450 people in chairbacks, and the entire hope area was full, not to mention the student side was 2/3 full, so I'd say roughly 800-900 people, which would be second largest crowd to the high school game which brought in easily over 2500...


Its the most people I've seen at an Alma game that I've been to, but I find all of your statements about the crowd pretty exaggerated.

There were lots of empty seats in the chairbacks and the student area was nowhere near 2/3's full. The Hope section was nowhere near full either.

The attendance figure might not have matched the exact crowd, and I believe it was probably a little more than reported but not by more than 100 or so.  I've been to 3 games at Olivet that I think had bigger crowds and none of those were 800 people.

Either way it was a nice turnout.

There were only 50-100 empty chairbacks, and the section Hope had from my angle was full as I could tell....

There were quite a few students (especially compared to the average draw) but the numbers at the end of the game were few since they all left early....

800 people is an exagerration, but there were easily over 600 people at that game. 800, maybe not, but 600 is still a lot more than 483....

I'll be generous and grant you the 600 (I doubt it was over 500 personally).  The thing that hit me the most was that other than the Hope fans, there was no noise, especially none from the students.  Hope players shot free throws in absolute silence.

Yeah our students are terrible when it comes to noise. Aside from the random guy yelling "cholesterol" in the background it was like almost pindrop silent...two years ago, there was 4 guys that came to every homegame and ran the court every time the ball went and down the court. The were almost like cheerleaders, but they were better. They got the whole crowd enrgized and excited and it wasn't like Breslin loud, but there was noise. From what I see now, there are no students that wanna do that, or make noise at all...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 08, 2011, 08:52:33 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 08, 2011, 07:39:39 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 07, 2011, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 07, 2011, 07:48:41 AM
Quote from: sac on February 06, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 06, 2011, 04:39:29 PM

That attendance figure is terrible, the arena has 500 chairback seats, and can hold 3,030 seated people. There were easily 450 people in chairbacks, and the entire hope area was full, not to mention the student side was 2/3 full, so I'd say roughly 800-900 people, which would be second largest crowd to the high school game which brought in easily over 2500...


Its the most people I've seen at an Alma game that I've been to, but I find all of your statements about the crowd pretty exaggerated.

There were lots of empty seats in the chairbacks and the student area was nowhere near 2/3's full. The Hope section was nowhere near full either.

The attendance figure might not have matched the exact crowd, and I believe it was probably a little more than reported but not by more than 100 or so.  I've been to 3 games at Olivet that I think had bigger crowds and none of those were 800 people.

Either way it was a nice turnout.

There were only 50-100 empty chairbacks, and the section Hope had from my angle was full as I could tell....

There were quite a few students (especially compared to the average draw) but the numbers at the end of the game were few since they all left early....

800 people is an exagerration, but there were easily over 600 people at that game. 800, maybe not, but 600 is still a lot more than 483....

I'll be generous and grant you the 600 (I doubt it was over 500 personally).  The thing that hit me the most was that other than the Hope fans, there was no noise, especially none from the students.  Hope players shot free throws in absolute silence.

Yeah our students are terrible when it comes to noise. Aside from the random guy yelling "cholesterol" in the background it was like almost pindrop silent...two years ago, there was 4 guys that came to every homegame and ran the court every time the ball went and down the court. The were almost like cheerleaders, but they were better. They got the whole crowd enrgized and excited and it wasn't like Breslin loud, but there was noise. From what I see now, there are no students that wanna do that, or make noise at all...

Yeah, I remember those guys - I really miss them, they had a lot of fun at the games, and really made it fun for all the fans too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 08, 2011, 05:59:44 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 08, 2011, 08:52:33 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 08, 2011, 07:39:39 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 07, 2011, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 07, 2011, 07:48:41 AM
Quote from: sac on February 06, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 06, 2011, 04:39:29 PM

That attendance figure is terrible, the arena has 500 chairback seats, and can hold 3,030 seated people. There were easily 450 people in chairbacks, and the entire hope area was full, not to mention the student side was 2/3 full, so I'd say roughly 800-900 people, which would be second largest crowd to the high school game which brought in easily over 2500...


Its the most people I've seen at an Alma game that I've been to, but I find all of your statements about the crowd pretty exaggerated.

There were lots of empty seats in the chairbacks and the student area was nowhere near 2/3's full. The Hope section was nowhere near full either.

The attendance figure might not have matched the exact crowd, and I believe it was probably a little more than reported but not by more than 100 or so.  I've been to 3 games at Olivet that I think had bigger crowds and none of those were 800 people.

Either way it was a nice turnout.

There were only 50-100 empty chairbacks, and the section Hope had from my angle was full as I could tell....

There were quite a few students (especially compared to the average draw) but the numbers at the end of the game were few since they all left early....

800 people is an exagerration, but there were easily over 600 people at that game. 800, maybe not, but 600 is still a lot more than 483....

I'll be generous and grant you the 600 (I doubt it was over 500 personally).  The thing that hit me the most was that other than the Hope fans, there was no noise, especially none from the students.  Hope players shot free throws in absolute silence.

Yeah our students are terrible when it comes to noise. Aside from the random guy yelling "cholesterol" in the background it was like almost pindrop silent...two years ago, there was 4 guys that came to every homegame and ran the court every time the ball went and down the court. The were almost like cheerleaders, but they were better. They got the whole crowd enrgized and excited and it wasn't like Breslin loud, but there was noise. From what I see now, there are no students that wanna do that, or make noise at all...

Yeah, I remember those guys - I really miss them, they had a lot of fun at the games, and really made it fun for all the fans too.

There's just no atmosphere at Alma. I watched the Hope/Calvin game on tv on WHT, and coming out of  a timeout every single Hope fan was rocking the bleachers, rowing their boat. There's just no fun student section here....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
Here's a question for our Adrian people:  I see where Adrian cancelled their contract for their game against Franklin for this fall.  As announced on d3football.com as you can see, Franklin has thus replaced them with UWW - a big game for them.  It appears that Adrian has then scheduled Husson.  I am wondering why?  Did Deere feel that he needed a game that would have a better chance at ensuring them a win early in the season? ??? While Adrian's non-conference schedule as is currently posted might give them a good chance at being undefeated going into the MIAA league games, I'm not sure that would count towards having him keep his job if he doesn't win the title eventually in the long run - at least if the administration doesn't change their mind in regards to the precedent they set last year with the Lyall debacle i.e. how they handled that.  Any thoughts from our Adrian friends here? ???  Just curious. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
Here's a question for our Adrian people:  I see where Adrian cancelled their contract for their game against Franklin for this fall.  As announced on d3football.com as you can see, Franklin has thus replaced them with UWW - a big game for them.  It appears that Adrian has then scheduled Husson.  I am wondering why?  Did Deere feel that he needed a game that would have a better chance at ensuring them a win early in the season? ??? While Adrian's non-conference schedule as is currently posted might give them a good chance at being undefeated going into the MIAA league games, I'm not sure that would count towards having him keep his job if he doesn't win the title eventually in the long run - at least if the administration doesn't change their mind in regards to the precedent they set last year with the Lyall debacle i.e. how they handled that.  Any thoughts from our Adrian friends here? ???  Just curious.  

Adrian cancelled its game with UWW this fall, not against Franklin. Adrian thought UWW ran the score up on Adrian a little bit last season...plus Adrian's coaching staff never returned any of Lance Leipold's (UWW's head coach) phone calls offering to exchange tape before the game.

there seemed to be a little bad blood leading up to the game as well as after...so Adrian decided to call it quits.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on February 09, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
Wasn't the Adrian/UWW game 35-0???  Is that running it up?  I really hope that is not a real reason for voiding a contract.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: dc_has_been on February 09, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
Wasn't the Adrian/UWW game 35-0???  Is that running it up?  I really hope that is not a real reason for voiding a contract.

So you can see UWW's frustration... :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
Here's a question for our Adrian people:  I see where Adrian cancelled their contract for their game against Franklin for this fall.  As announced on d3football.com as you can see, Franklin has thus replaced them with UWW - a big game for them.  It appears that Adrian has then scheduled Husson.  I am wondering why?  Did Deere feel that he needed a game that would have a better chance at ensuring them a win early in the season? ??? While Adrian's non-conference schedule as is currently posted might give them a good chance at being undefeated going into the MIAA league games, I'm not sure that would count towards having him keep his job if he doesn't win the title eventually in the long run - at least if the administration doesn't change their mind in regards to the precedent they set last year with the Lyall debacle i.e. how they handled that.  Any thoughts from our Adrian friends here? ???  Just curious.  

Adrian cancelled its game with UWW this fall, not against Franklin. Adrian thought UWW ran the score up on Adrian a little bit last season...plus Adrian's coaching staff never returned any of Lance Leipold's (UWW's head coach) phone calls offering to exchange tape before the game.

there seemed to be a little bad blood leading up to the game as well as after...so Adrian decided to call it quits.

Indeed you are right - i.e. actually, I should have caught that oversight on my part in that Adrian had the two year contract with UWW.  Regardless, it seems to me regardless of whether it was Franklin or UWW that Adrian cancelled out with, it would appear (at least on the surface) that they were looking for an easier game to start out with; also perhaps Husson was the only team available for that date, although from some of the other posts, it appears that was not the case i.e. there were some other teams with openings.  Still, it would seem to be as you say, although I doubt anyone will admit to the real reason for the change.  Too bad.  I was not at the Adrian/UWW game obviously, however, I can't imagine that 35-0 is running up the score, unless there is game film evidence of some really disengenuous play calling on UWW 's part and I find that difficult to believe.  Anyway, all that is "water nder the bridge" as that old saying goes. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 10, 2011, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
Here's a question for our Adrian people:  I see where Adrian cancelled their contract for their game against Franklin for this fall.  As announced on d3football.com as you can see, Franklin has thus replaced them with UWW - a big game for them.  It appears that Adrian has then scheduled Husson.  I am wondering why?  Did Deere feel that he needed a game that would have a better chance at ensuring them a win early in the season? ??? While Adrian's non-conference schedule as is currently posted might give them a good chance at being undefeated going into the MIAA league games, I'm not sure that would count towards having him keep his job if he doesn't win the title eventually in the long run - at least if the administration doesn't change their mind in regards to the precedent they set last year with the Lyall debacle i.e. how they handled that.  Any thoughts from our Adrian friends here? ???  Just curious. 

Adrian cancelled its game with UWW this fall, not against Franklin. Adrian thought UWW ran the score up on Adrian a little bit last season...plus Adrian's coaching staff never returned any of Lance Leipold's (UWW's head coach) phone calls offering to exchange tape before the game.

there seemed to be a little bad blood leading up to the game as well as after...so Adrian decided to call it quits.

Indeed you are right - i.e. actually, I should have caught that oversight on my part in that Adrian had the two year contract with UWW.  Regardless, it seems to me regardless of whether it was Franklin or UWW that Adrian cancelled out with, it would appear (at least on the surface) that they were looking for an easier game to start out with; also perhaps Husson was the only team available for that date, although from some of the other posts, it appears that was not the case i.e. there were some other teams with openings.  Still, it would seem to be as you say, although I doubt anyone will admit to the real reason for the change.  Too bad.  I was not at the Adrian/UWW game obviously, however, I can't imagine that 35-0 is running up the score, unless there is game film evidence of some really disengenuous play calling on UWW 's part and I find that difficult to believe.  Anyway, all that is "water nder the bridge" as that old saying goes. ;D

Formerd3db,

I do not understand why Adrian cancelled their 2 year contract with UWW. The score was just a reflection on a top level team,IMHO. Maybe a desire to win an easier NC game was the real factor! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 10, 2011, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 10, 2011, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on February 09, 2011, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 09, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
Here's a question for our Adrian people:  I see where Adrian cancelled their contract for their game against Franklin for this fall.  As announced on d3football.com as you can see, Franklin has thus replaced them with UWW - a big game for them.  It appears that Adrian has then scheduled Husson.  I am wondering why?  Did Deere feel that he needed a game that would have a better chance at ensuring them a win early in the season? ??? While Adrian's non-conference schedule as is currently posted might give them a good chance at being undefeated going into the MIAA league games, I'm not sure that would count towards having him keep his job if he doesn't win the title eventually in the long run - at least if the administration doesn't change their mind in regards to the precedent they set last year with the Lyall debacle i.e. how they handled that.  Any thoughts from our Adrian friends here? ???  Just curious.  

Adrian cancelled its game with UWW this fall, not against Franklin. Adrian thought UWW ran the score up on Adrian a little bit last season...plus Adrian's coaching staff never returned any of Lance Leipold's (UWW's head coach) phone calls offering to exchange tape before the game.

there seemed to be a little bad blood leading up to the game as well as after...so Adrian decided to call it quits.

Indeed you are right - i.e. actually, I should have caught that oversight on my part in that Adrian had the two year contract with UWW.  Regardless, it seems to me regardless of whether it was Franklin or UWW that Adrian cancelled out with, it would appear (at least on the surface) that they were looking for an easier game to start out with; also perhaps Husson was the only team available for that date, although from some of the other posts, it appears that was not the case i.e. there were some other teams with openings.  Still, it would seem to be as you say, although I doubt anyone will admit to the real reason for the change.  Too bad.  I was not at the Adrian/UWW game obviously, however, I can't imagine that 35-0 is running up the score, unless there is game film evidence of some really disengenuous play calling on UWW 's part and I find that difficult to believe.  Anyway, all that is "water nder the bridge" as that old saying goes. ;D

Formerd3db,

I do not understand why Adrian cancelled their 2 year contract with UWW. The score was just a reflection on a top level team,IMHO. Maybe a desire to win an easier NC game was the real factor! :)

I think Adrian's coaching staff may have thought that Lance left his starters in a little too long when the game was already in hand. Plus there were some down field passes that UWW probably didn't need to throw later in the fourth quarter....Besides its not like the game was 50-0, or anything like that.

I think the UWW coaching staff was a little frustrated about Adrian never returning any of their phone calls about possible exchanging of game film...so, I guess there was a lot of tention building up to the game.

If they wanted an easier schedule, then why bother scheduling a two game series in the first place...they knew what they were getting into.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
Adrian's coach was upset when, leading 28-0 with 6:58 to play, we threw a 46 yard completion from their 49 yard line.  We scored on the next play, a 3 yard run by Booker Stanley.  I guess he felt we weren't suppose to pass anymore.   Forget the fact that we had passed on the previous play, a 12 yard completion, and they had called a time out between the two plays.  Or that they passed four times on their next six play drive.  When the two coaches met after the game he was ranting about our running up the score and threatened to cancel the remaining game.  A few months later he did just that.  Because of the difficulty we have had scheduling DIII nonconference games we allowed Adrian to write the contract and, of course, it did not include a penalty for canceling.  

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 10, 2011, 03:43:43 PM
Teams get so worked up over the fact of "running up the score"

Bluffton before last cancelled the series with Alma because of running up the score. They then went on to schedule Trine in that slot. Tell me how that fixes your problems...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on February 10, 2011, 05:17:12 PM
IMO, it does not look good for Adian.  35-0 is not running up the score and you can not expect a college program to not throw the ball and just run it every down.  Again, IMO, that can lead to injuries if you know that the team is going to run every down and you stack the box with 11 players aiming at the run game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 10, 2011, 11:17:37 PM
Raider68, 02Warhawk,badgerwarhawk, sflzman and dc_has_been:

First, Raider68, our colleagues here have answered your question as to why the series was apparently cancelled.  Based on what has been discussed/presented, I would also have to agree with all of you.  If Adrian was using that logic, then, for example, would they- or anyone for that matter - say the same thing about Alma?  By that I mean, Alma for years has had an offense that almost exclusively throws on every down as we all know - although in more recent years, they have added some running plays to mix it up somewha.  Yet, primarily, they are still a passing offense.  Heck, I remember some years where almost every series was pass/pass/pass and/or pass/pass/pass/punt. ;D  So my point is, using the previously discussed logic i.e. Adrian and/or again anyone else, would they then accuse Alma of "running up the score" since they passed on every down and scored?  If one were to be consistent, the answer to that question would be "yes".  However, we all know that consistency is not always a constant. ;D ::) ;) :) :D

All that being said, I will stick to my longtime philosophy that if you want to improve the program over time in the longterm, you play the upper tier in non-conference games.  I might be stupid in that philosophy, but...that's just the way my opinion has always been.  Anyway, thanks for the insight and discussion on this guys.  Hope you all are keeping warm during this extreme cold spell.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2011, 11:36:17 PM
formerd3db (just to pull your chain ;)),

You keep playing IWU, you keep losing (though you often give us a real scare ;)), so why ain't you winning?! ;D

(Annually you cost me more points in pick-ems than any other team! >:( :D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on February 11, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
formerd3db- well said!  To be the best you have to beat the best!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 11, 2011, 04:13:53 PM
Thanks, dc_has_been.

Mr. Ypsi:

Your not "pulling my chain" - no problem!  Yours is a legit question.  We've come close a couple of times in the last couple of years.  A couple of the games, as you know, IWU blasted Hope overall throughout the game and obviously deserved to win, even when Hope closed the gap.  Among that was the game that you attended at Hope where I met you - the first in this series as I recall.  One of the others was a close game, especially last year and Hope should have won, however, they just didn't make the plays to win.  As to why, I think that one reason is a general one in that IWU, despite not winning their league every year in this stretch we're talking about, has been a very good team and improved over past years from what they were for quite some time.  Conversely, Hope has obviously not been a good team from what I consider as usual Hope standards in the past 3-4 decades overall.  Yet, also, Hope's secondary has been one reason for the IWU losses (at least the home games) giving up the long TD in those years (The secondary needs to step it up this year and next to improve that IMO).  Also, Hope's offense has just not been explosive in those games, at least from what is the usual.  In the past, when Hope's defense gave up a score, the offense was usually able to come right back (I think of the Wheaton/Hope playoff game that was of high scoring in recent years - without checking back on those schedules, I believe that was the year we played Wheaton twice - once in the regular season and then that playoff game).  Yet, the passing game at both ends for Hope (i.e. throwers/receiviers) has not been what it was in previous years when we seemed to have a ton of receivers who caught everything that was thrown at/to them ;). I know I'm talking in generalities here as opposed to specifics with regard to the IWU/Hope games of recent (andI guess for that matter, all the games), however, this is what I recall and what is actually my assessment.

One other aspect that I think Hope has to do is to recruit bigger linemen.  While we have several currently (and have in recent years), overall, I think the line on both sides of the ball have been small as compared to the majority of teams we play both in and out-of conderence.  Yet, the "problem" that stems additionally concerning that aspect, is that it is hard for Hope to recruit against the regional DII teams with the financial aspects of the scholarship issues and the overall cost of going to Hope (again, many of us have discussed those aspects on this board and other boards several times).

Having said all that, I think the IWU/Hope game will be good again this year - Hope-fully [pun intented ;D} Hope will have a better showing this year, although it is @ IWU and it is always tough to win on the road in long-distance trips especially early in the season, let alone the first game being the "long ride".  We'll see what happens.  In looking at future years schedules for Hope, IWU is replaced by North Park in 2012.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 11, 2011, 04:24:44 PM
sflzman:

I was not aware of that i.e. Bluffton having cancelled the series for that alleged reason/claim they have apparently made against Alma as you relate - interesting.  Knowing Alma's coaching staff, I find that hard to believe they would do that - in fact, I just do not believe they would do that.  Indeed, as you say, it also doesn't make sense for Bluffton to cancel and add the likes of Trine if they were truly worried about high scores.  I am in no way saying Trine does that or will because I do not think they do - at least I've never observed that whatsoever in the games I've seen them play against us.  But, rather, like you, I'm simply pointing out that Trine will score big against Bluffton because they are so good and of recent Bluffton has been "a not-so-good" team (and that's saying it nicely, no disrespect intended toward Bluffton. ;D ::) ;) :)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2011, 04:42:13 PM
former, I meant if you keep playing a 'better' team close, why aren't you winning in the MIAA?  The pick-ems points I was referring to are in the MIAA pick-ems.  Since IMO IWU is a stronger team than anyone in the MIAA (except Trine lately), based on the trouble you give my Titans I keep overpicking Hope against anyone except Trine. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 11, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2011, 04:42:13 PM
former, I meant if you keep playing a 'better' team close, why aren't you winning in the MIAA?  The pick-ems points I was referring to are in the MIAA pick-ems.  Since IMO IWU is a stronger team than anyone in the MIAA (except Trine lately), based on the trouble you give my Titans I keep overpicking Hope against anyone except Trine. :P

I can understand what you are saying.  This may sound rather unintelligent (stupid? ??? ::) :P ;D) on my part, however, I am asking the same question.  As I mentioned, my philosophy has always been that i.e. getting better by playing better teams and over time, that should occur.  Why it hasn't for Hope, again, I am not sure, other than what I've mentioned about the recruiting difficulties that are faced Hope and some of our other MIAA teams - which are legit although obviously not the entire answer.  However, the other part of this is that of the "attitude factor".  By that I mean getting the attitude of confidence in winning back.  Our kids just don't seem to have it, and although some college football fans in general (including some here on our/these boards) say that is the entire responsibility of the coaching staff to instill that, they disagree with me as I do not believe that is the fault of Hope's coaching staff.  As disappointing as it is to say this, our kids have just not picked that up despite the staff being as encouraging and supportive as they can.  As a coach, you can only say and tell players so much i.e the same thing over and over and over, yet if the players do not respond - I'm not talking exclusively of motivation in response but rather players making the same physical mistakes repeatedly- nothing is going to change as far as doing what it takes to win those games i.e. overcoming that hurdle in close games so to speak. Yet, that is exactly what has/is happening.  Overall, talent is just not what Hope has had in past years and again, I think much of that is due to the recruiting issues as I've discussed "ad nauseum" here. But again, many MIAA coaches say the same thing in regards to the latter.  As such, I think the MIAA is going to have a difficult time in the future in trying to get back to that next level (although Trine has appeared to have done it or is at least on the way), and although other small colleges face some of the same financial challenges in recruiting, the DII aspect seems to be a big factor/challenge.

Others here may disagree with me, but that is my opinion (and I'm am close to the program as you well know and some coaches around the league agree with me i.e. have the same overall opinion in regards to the MIAA). So that is my $0.02 worth, for what it's worth! ;D ::) ??? :)                
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 12, 2011, 09:00:59 AM
formerd3db,

How difficult has it been for MIAA teams to schedule non-conference games in general? It it due mainly to geographics or are other factors in play as well?  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 12, 2011, 10:33:26 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 12, 2011, 09:00:59 AM
formerd3db,

How difficult has it been for MIAA teams to schedule non-conference games in general? It it due mainly to geographics or are other factors in play as well?  :-\

Overall, not that difficult from what I've observed.  Aside from the situations that have been discussed recently here and on the other board regarding the cancellation situations of Alma and Adrian (which are rare occurrances in our league), I don't think it has been much of a problem.  The only problem that comes into play with those situations as you know, is trying to fill that exact date or having to add on at the beginning of the season, or...if your league has the luxery of the "bye weekend" like we do, the latter provides some additional options.  However, it still is sometimes difficult to do that in such situations and you might end up scheduling a school that you would never really consider scheduling such as when Alma played Bethany, WV a couple of years in the recent past (or they might end up adding an NAIA program).

As you know, as with almost all schools, the schedules are made up several years in advance.  To use Hope as an example, they are completing the series with a couple of the CCIW schools, but will have North Park and Millikiin still on; while they are adding a series called the NAC/MIAA challenge.  We used to play Wabash and DePauw regularly (and some of our fan base would love to see those schools back on) and we just completed several years with Wheaton.

Also, obviously, the cost and distance factor comes into play and Hope essentially tries to limit their "away" non-conference games to only one long distance trip out of the two (of course, our league has a total of 4 non-conference games with two of those being "home games" obviously).  Our long trip last year was to former MIAA affiliate member now NAC member Wis-Lutheran, however, this year we travel way up in Wisconsin to Lakeland.  That will involve either a very long bus trip "around the horn" via Chicago most likely or...way around the Upper Peninsula (not likely) or...perhpas even the car ferry across Lake Michigan (I have not heard if that is being considerd or not, although I do know Alma College has done that in the past and it is a neat experience for the players, esepcially some who have never had and/or may never get the opportunity to experience that).

And finally, since we're talking about scheduling, in relation to my philosophy about getting better by playing the better teams in one's non-conference schedule, sometimes that is even a more difficult challenge, for example Olivet.  They have perhaps the toughest non-conferenc schedule of anyone last year, this year and next, which in some years wouldn't be as bad, except that they have a new coaching staff and also have unfortunately had to deal with the rebuilding process as their team has been low in stock as far as numbers.  As that old sayiing goes, "timing is everything"and for them, this transition his them inadvertently at an unopportune time.

Overall, the short answer then to your question, I guess, is "not much difficulty". :)  Sorry for the long discussion, but, what the heck. ;D  Anyway, hope you are doing well and keeping warm! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 12, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
formerd3db,

Thanks for the thorough response! Over time, most of the MIAA schools have in fact sought match-ups with good teams from strong conferences. When a conference has less than ten teams, more opportunies exist to schedule those measurement type games.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 12, 2011, 09:48:05 PM
D3DB I also have some respect for the Alma coaching staff but yes they did have a reputation for running up the score in the late 90's when I was playing.  I remember my freshman year they did chuck the ball around up 65-20 but that is their offense so that is fine but they did throw multiple fades and when we got pissed off was when there was less than 2 minutes left and they kicked a FG to make it 65-20.

We were fired up and we let it fire us up all off season and we were all about revenge!  Following season Alma came to DC and with a 4-0 record only to take a beating where we could do no wrong.  We would have run up the score but we had no defense :) we finished that year 1-8 only win against Alma!

I can't fault a coach on the opening week leaving his starters in for a while and running his core offense especially if you are only up 28-0.  You have to get your team ready to play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 13, 2011, 01:02:28 AM
70_dc_alum:

I can understand where you are coming from.  For sure, it is difficult for a team that has an offense like Alma in that regard when every down is a pass play (and back in the time you are talking about, as I recall, Alma had one running play only and they rarely used it - perhaps that might be a slight exaggeration, but...it is pretty close, again at least to what I recall back then ;D).

Also, I could be wrong as this could have been another game.  However, the one you mention about the FG might have been the one where Alma's kicker had the chance to become the all-time FG holder at the school.  Whatever game that was (and again, it could be that it was not the game you are talking about) the coaching staff made the decision to give him the chance to break the record and he made it.  Anyway, if it wasn't that game you played in, sorry that happened - not sure why?  Again, like you say, the Alma staff are good guys - really.  Anyway, hope your weekend has been going well.  Also, it is good to see that this board and ours have had some good posting/discussions going on.  Later, friend (it is "buring the midnight candle" right now! ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 13, 2011, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 11, 2011, 04:24:44 PM
sflzman:

I was not aware of that i.e. Bluffton having cancelled the series for that alleged reason/claim they have apparently made against Alma as you relate - interesting.  Knowing Alma's coaching staff, I find that hard to believe they would do that - in fact, I just do not believe they would do that.  Indeed, as you say, it also doesn't make sense for Bluffton to cancel and add the likes of Trine if they were truly worried about high scores.  I am in no way saying Trine does that or will because I do not think they do - at least I've never observed that whatsoever in the games I've seen them play against us.  But, rather, like you, I'm simply pointing out that Trine will score big against Bluffton because they are so good and of recent Bluffton has been "a not-so-good" team (and that's saying it nicely, no disrespect intended toward Bluffton. ;D ::) ;) :)).

I was not suggesting Trine was running up the score at all when I made that comment, my reference to them filling the spot with Trine was simply because of how good Trine was at the time of that game being scheduled.

Quote from: formerd3db on February 13, 2011, 01:02:28 AM
70_dc_alum:

I can understand where you are coming from.  For sure, it is difficult for a team that has an offense like Alma in that regard when every down is a pass play (and back in the time you are talking about, as I recall, Alma had one running play only and they rarely used it - perhaps that might be a slight exaggeration, but...it is pretty close, again at least to what I recall back then ;D).

Also, I could be wrong as this could have been another game.  However, the one you mention about the FG might have been the one where Alma's kicker had the chance to become the all-time FG holder at the school.  Whatever game that was (and again, it could be that it was not the game you are talking about) the coaching staff made the decision to give him the chance to break the record and he made it.  Anyway, if it wasn't that game you played in, sorry that happened - not sure why?  Again, like you say, the Alma staff are good guys - really.  Anyway, hope your weekend has been going well.  Also, it is good to see that this board and ours have had some good posting/discussions going on.  Later, friend (it is "buring the midnight candle" right now! ;))

It may not be one play, but I can count them on my fingers:

1. AB Draw
2. "Option" pitch right
3. "Option" pitch left
4. QB Draw
5. Wildcat Sprint Right
6. Wildcat Sprint Left
7. Wildcat Power (Behind "big old Ed Mason")
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 13, 2011, 04:44:11 PM
sflzman:

I didn't take your comment as suggesting that Trine was running up the score at all (nor do I think anyone else did), as I, indeed, understood what the context of what you were saying.  No big deal. :)

Also, it (the running play) may have different names, but...it is basically the same i.e. just a running play! ;D :o ;) :D :) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 13, 2011, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 13, 2011, 04:44:11 PM
sflzman:

I didn't take your comment as suggesting that Trine was running up the score at all (nor do I think anyone else did), as I, indeed, understood what the context of what you were saying.  No big deal. :)

Also, it (the running play) may have different names, but...it is basically the same i.e. just a running play! ;D :o ;) :D :) ;D

lol, yes running play indeed...

And I just wanted to make sure bout that Trine thing as I have a little bit of a tough rap with dissing other teams...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 13, 2011, 06:34:26 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 13, 2011, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 13, 2011, 04:44:11 PM
sflzman:

I didn't take your comment as suggesting that Trine was running up the score at all (nor do I think anyone else did), as I, indeed, understood what the context of what you were saying.  No big deal. :)

Also, it (the running play) may have different names, but...it is basically the same i.e. just a running play! ;D :o ;) :D :) ;D

lol, yes running play indeed...

And I just wanted to make sure bout that Trine thing as I have a little bit of a tough rap with dissing other teams...

No problem.  Yet, also, I would just say that I do not recall you dissing any teams here, at least on this board.  I would additionally say the following, if I may: I don't particularly appreciate it either when someone "disses" some other team or somebody, except when the latter(s) deserve it ;D :o ;), yet as long as it doesn't "cross the line" in being a personal attack.  In other words, there is an appropriate way to "dis", or shall we say, a better term to use is "constuctivly criticiize" (to "dis" is mean-spirited), and in that regard/context, there is nothing wrong with having differences of opinion. :)  Okay, so I will "get off the soapbox" now. ;D :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 13, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
I try to stay in my kindergarten days and go along with the old "if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything at all"

BUT! Then ocaisionaly my opinion stands out!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 13, 2011, 08:47:37 PM
But yes, constructive criticism is always welcome! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2011, 09:14:48 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 13, 2011, 08:47:37 PM
But yes, constructive criticism is always welcome! ;D ;D

The problem, of course, is that one fan's 'constructive criticism' is another fan's 'rip'! ;D

SOME posts are 'clearly' over the line - and they generally get quickly blasted even by fans from the poster's own school.

Most posts are simply 'factual' or non-objectionable.

It is the gray area in between that livens up the board. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 13, 2011, 10:49:54 PM
Mr. Ypsi and sflzman:

That is all so true, my friends! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 14, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
formerd3db, sflzman,Uncle Rico, Mr. Ypsi,

I do not know that much about the MIAA stadiums, except K'Zoo, been there a long time ago.

How would you rate them in terms of seating, field, ammendities and atmosphere? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 14, 2011, 02:24:39 PM
Raider68:

Here is my list ranking the MIAA stadiums:

1) Trine: I have not been there yet (because Trine played at our place this past fall), however, have seen the photos and talked with some people who have been.  It, without question, is the best stadium in the league - it is awesome I've been told, especially with the personal suites/boxes.  The only minor negative, IMO, is that they switched the home seating (i.e. the main stadium) on the old visitors side which now faces southwest and the wind, rain, sun (and yes, snow/ice) blows directly into your face - not good.  But with the design, new fb building  and synthetic turf (the latter of which they already had the year before), it is the best IMO.  

2) Adrian's stadium is a close second.  It is also a great design, with personalized seating, some suites for the President and others, but also the press box is great, especially for the coaches and film crew.  The film crew is protected overhead i.e. they have a suite and the coaches can either open or close windows, so that is really good for inclement weather, again for the film crews.  The hillside seating at the south endzone is good with the concourse/covered pavilion where people can sit and eat also and the south endzone has seating built into the small burmed hill with pine trees behind which, although only a few rows, gives it a really neat feeling, kind of like some of the DI MAC stadiums, although obviously on a much smaller scale.  The only minor negative is the small visitors seating section, but...it is permanent stands with nice block matching the stadium and in reality, it is the appropriate size for the amount of visitors that usually show up for MIAA "away" games which makes them look full(except for championship games, of course, but for those, they would have plenty of seating on the hillside south endzone). Overall, it is set in a bowl like setting and also is back on campus after 40 years, which makes all the MIAA schools now having on-campus stadiums (except Hope, except technically for all practical purposes, Hope does too!)  anyway, one big drawback for Adrian is that...they need fans to fill it - they have the same problem as Ohio Wesleyan IMO.  Too bad.

3) Alma - great view of the campus, although only minor aspect is that I wish they would have kept it in the same location as the original Balke an not switch with the former baseball field (but essentially they've been playing on this field since 1929); minor problem is that sun, wind and rain is in your face coming directly from the southwest/west; another negative is that the front row walkway is non-existent i.e. front row fans have to move out of your way to walk - not sure how that one got past the building codes; press box is very spacious for coaching and media, etc, but another negative there is that windows can't be opened and no air conditioning so fans have to be used in the early season games and...the film crew has to film on the roof being exposed to the weather. But overall, a nice stadium - they have the synthetic turf, they have kept the old college iron stadium name arch, matched it with oanother, brick and wrought iron fencing give it a great feel of that old college tradition, and "Among the Pines" which Alma's campus is noted for.


4) Olivet and Albion:  I have trouble making a decision here so they probably are both very close, but I'd have to give Albion an edge - pros/cons for both.  First, I love Albion's setting -they've been playing on that field (at least a portion of it, since 1899-1900 - the original field was were the stans and athletic building behind it are), theyve kep the old concrete athletic field fence around the area from the 1920's similar to like old U of Michigan stadium or U of Chicago and other like schools had way back then; the home stands sit up on a hill with the buildings behind them and on the sides so it gives it a "big stadium" feel, but with great old college atmosphere among the trees lining the river right behind the visitors stand s sections, which are bleachers but very nice - great setting, especially in thefall with all the colors and the campus in teh backgrond.  Concourse/concessions are good, locker rooms right there; Hall of Fame right inside the stands in the building concourse; negatives is the outdated press box from the 1970's renovation - film crew is dangerously on the roof with flimsy railing, no roof cover and very windy - press box needs to be expanded/enlarged and bnew updated windows.  The other negative (IMO only compared to some) is that they still have natural grass - they need to get the new synthertic turf in.

As far as Olivet, they have really upgraded the football facilities. An alumni donar gave them over 2 million and the new Cutler Athletic Center is nice - locker rooms, Hall of Fame, training facilities at the north endzone have replaced the old outdated concrete small building; entirely new home stadium and nice spacious press box and electronic scoreboard and new synthetic turf.  If is a modest stadium, but very nice and adequate for a small college such as Olivet, especially for their type of attendance - seating about 2,000 is just about right for them, although in a losing year such as this past one, 500 fans was the usual (ouch).  Visitors stands are of new bleacher type seating, could be bigger; The "plus" for me is the nostalgia - the field has been in use since the 1890's (several name changes though) and old trees and farms still surround it and the other athletic fields - cows watchc he game at the south endzone!  Also, the historic campus has expanded so the athletic complex is at hte south end, short walk.  The new basketball/volleyball area of the Cutler Center opened last year as well.  Anyway, like Albion, great history but Olivet needs to start winning again to bring in the fans instead of just the moms/dads families of the players.

5) Hope: I've essentially shared my opinion on this already in the past.  Neat stadium with hillside seating in the endzone and concrete peramanet seating on both home and visitors sides - however, they need the synthetic turf in (a problem form the beginning - long story which I will not go into here), the seating is too far back from the sidelines IMO, however that will not be able to be changed obviously, it is a bowl shaped stadium; they also need a fb building/locker room built at the open north end of the stadium which would get it that more enclosed feel and also closer locker rooms (players have to walk across a bridge over a creek through the woods from the current athletic training and locker room building) and the college needs to buy the stadium from the city.  The stadium sits surrounded by all the other college's atheltic stadiums, which have been newly build, with brick, wrough iron arches, fencing and covered seating giving them that old college feel and the new soccer/lacrosse stadium right next door to this and the huge Devos Center (with its NBA style seating arena) is awesome with permanent personal seating, synthetic turf, lights and the old time brick and wrought iron fencing surrounding the complexes now is great.

6) Kazoo - I've already commented on their stadium in my previous post above, however, with the new renovations, it will be really nice and put them back in line with most of our other schools - within the context of what they can expect as I've mentioned.  There has been, however, unfortunatley some opposition from the neighbors who live nex/nearby to the stadium - they have expressed a fear that it will make the area too congested and noisy, which is a big "crock"  - some of these people are rather arrongant, elitiests from what I've heard.  I hope the city commission votes against their objections and allows Kazoo College to go forward with this great plan and improvements - they really need it.  So far, I have not heard what the update status on this situation is.

So there you have it - my take on our MIAA stadiums.  I will look forward to reading everyone else's opinions.  

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 14, 2011, 02:43:56 PM
Formerd3db,

Great Post!

Thanks for taking the time to evaluate each facility in such an in-depth manner! +k :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 14, 2011, 04:53:49 PM
I've kind of wondered if the open space in front of DeVos is being set aside in case something can't or rather won't be done with Holland Municipal.  I know its supposed to be open green space for the students but I have yet to see it be used for anything. (but I'm also not around much anymore.)

It seems to me if the college (with help from donors) is willing to spend the money to build a first class soccer stadium, it shouldn't be too much trouble to do the same for football in front of DeVos.

The only drawback is it would likely be an East/West field.   But a similar architectural style to the VanAndel Soccer Stadium and DeVos Fieldhouse would really fill in the space.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 14, 2011, 08:41:36 PM
D3DB great posts.  I think the Alma kicker did have something on the line but it was the 2nd or 3rd game of the season so there was no pressing reason to send him out. Either way it was our responsibility to stop and it made for a great rivalry I loved playing Alma.

The miaa stadium I liked the most was Alma but the drive up there sucked it was our longest road trip. We always played up there early in the year sometimes homecoming so the stadium was usually full which is a nice thing for a normal d3 game!  Having played high school at a big D1  school in Ohio where you were used to 8k on a Friday night the normal 1-2k for a d3 game was depressing. Oliver was a dump pre renovation. One year our locker room was a tent with a port a potty and the visitor stands held 15 people
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 14, 2011, 09:21:08 PM
70_dc_alum:

Thanks!  I also know what you mean regarding the trip/drive.  In going down to Defiance, it is really not that far, a 2-21/2 hour drive from most places in the MIAA (except for Adrian, of course; and although perhaps another 1/2 from Alma) - according to some people ;D - most likely those with a lead foot!  However, indeed, the drive down that way always seems to be a longer trip - as there is no real direct route. By that I mean, you kind of have to "weave" your way down there and if you try to "take a short cut" by doing directly south, you can easily get lost on some of those country roads in trying to cross the MI/OH border (or even the eastern IN/MI border).

As far as the attendance at h.s. fb games in OH, I totally understand where you are coming from with that.  Obviously, that outnumbers the majority of h.s. schools here in MI and, for sure, even for those of us who had the great privilege and fortune to play college football, even at the small college level, it can sometimes be a little disheartening to see so much smaller crowds at our college games.  I used to be offended when some people (IMO, jerks) who would say that small college football was nothing more than glorified h.s. football.  Well, I truly believe it is not because I have seen over the years many very, very good fb players in h.s. who are simply not good enough to play even at the small college level and... as we all know, sometimes there are players who could certainly play at the other NCAA levels, but for whatever reason, decide not to.  Besides, I also always go back to the fact that even at the early years of college football, certainly many of the colleges had smaller crowds at games (although obviously the bigger schools started drawing the bigger crowds in due time).  Heck, I have a photo of the Alma College/Michgian State game of 1896 (which was won by Alma BTW) and there are probably 200 people at the most.  So in that regard, that is the "old college tradition" and feel I think about and have been trying to discuss.  "The nostalgia is the thing" if I may borrow from that Shakespearen era phrase! ;D (or was that someone esle? ??? ::) ;D) All that being said, I think you will agree that it doesn't matter what level we or anyone else played at in college - no one can tell me that it wasn't one of the most important and exciting aspects to us and/or anyone playing the game in college at that time in their lives i.e. it is just as exciting playing in your own college game with 2,000-3,000 people cheering you on as it is for those playing in front of someone's 20,000 to Michigan's 100,000+ - it is just louder! ;D ::) ;)r  Anyway, thanks for your post - excellent one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 14, 2011, 09:37:36 PM
sac:

Good inquiry/question.  I have not heard anything about any plans for an eventual stadium or anything in front of DeVos.  I would be quite surprised if they did.  It has always been my understanding that, indeed, as you mention, that area is to always be preserved as "green space" in part, because they want the eastern entrance to Hope College to be focused as it is.  By putting something there, it would take away from the picturesque facade of DeVos; in addition, I heard that the eventual plans were to add additional brick pillar and wrought iron fencing on the side of DeVos i.e. west side of the street as they have now along Fairbanks Ave in front of the soccer/lacrosse stadium and athletic fields along with a "Hope College" iron arch on pillars on an angle at the light/intersection i.e. on DeVos side, similar to the historic one on the other side of campus in front of historic Graves Hall.  While the "green area" is large enough to have the alumni soccer and alumni lacrosse games going on at the same time during Homecoming Saturdays AM as they have had of recent, I don't think that area would be ideal or condusive to placing the football stadium there.  Again, it would look too crowded and take away from the DeVos facade and I also think that parking would be a major problem.  They don't have enough at DeVos now, but while the could buy up more of the remaining homes across the street, I personally would hate to see some of those historic homes torn down, even though though they are small, many are rentals to college students or otherwise.  IMO, it would take away from the "historic atmosphere" in that regard, but.  on the other hand, time marches on and sometimes, changes are good.

So while I could be entirely wrong, I doubt that the fb stadium, if a new one is ever built again, will be placed there - at least I hope not - no pun intended  ;D.  IMO, Hope needs to buy Holland Municipal Stadium - they and the City really need to put their differences aside and work out a deal and...we need to get synthetic turf for the stadium and all the fb and soccer practice fields (the natural grass ones have become more than dangerous and that is simply the truth).  Besides, as I've discussed, the current stadium sits right in the middle of all Hope College owned athletic facilities.  I have been told the City and the College have talked about some lannd swaps as part of such a deal, but again they have not, so far, been able to come to an agreement.  And finally, as far as the $ is concerned, hyou and I both know that Hope College will have no problem in getting that raised and/or donars.  Anyway, that is my $0.02 worth! :) ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 14, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 14, 2011, 08:41:36 PM
D3DB great posts.  I think the Alma kicker did have something on the line but it was the 2nd or 3rd game of the season so there was no pressing reason to send him out. Either way it was our responsibility to stop and it made for a great rivalry I loved playing Alma.

The miaa stadium I liked the most was Alma but the drive up there sucked it was our longest road trip. We always played up there early in the year sometimes homecoming so the stadium was usually full which is a nice thing for a normal d3 game!  Having played high school at a big D1  school in Ohio where you were used to 8k on a Friday night the normal 1-2k for a d3 game was depressing. Oliver was a dump pre renovation. One year our locker room was a tent with a port a potty and the visitor stands held 15 people


The drive to Alma is a lot better now that the oil refinery is closed, imagine driving all that way and the first thing you smell is Galveston, Texas.  Its been years and years, but I always hated driving past Alma on the way up North because it smelled so bad.




formerd3db:

Waiting for the City of Holland to do something is the reason we have DeVos Fieldhouse.   The longer this goes, the easier it will be to get something done on their own.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 15, 2011, 07:38:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 14, 2011, 02:24:39 PM
3) Alma - great view of the campus, although only minor aspect is that I wish they would have kept it in the same location as the original Balke an not switch with the former baseball field (but essentially they've been playing on this field since 1929); minor problem is that sun, wind and rain is in your face coming directly from the southwest/west; another negative is that the front row walkway is non-existent i.e. front row fans have to move out of your way to walk - not sure how that one got past the building codes; press box is very spacious for coaching and media, etc, but another negative there is that windows can't be opened and no air conditioning so fans have to be used in the early season games and...the film crew has to film on the roof being exposed to the weather. But overall, a nice stadium - they have the synthetic turf, they have kept the old college iron stadium name arch, matched it with oanother, brick and wrought iron fencing give it a great feel of that old college tradition, and "Among the Pines" which Alma's campus is noted for.

The one that has been complained about many times because of the hardness...that turf is terrible.

There is a new turf coming in this year that is supposed to to be the top quality. The original designs showed for maroon turf, but it did not get accepted by the President. The new turf is supposed to look good though. It looks similar to the Rutgers field, but with colored enzones and an "A" not an "R"
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmapmaker.rutgers.edu%2Frutgers%2FAN%2Fstadium.jpg&hash=54256f13426cef6fbcd19d04464f11334e74abdd)

Here's a bigger view of the picture: http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/rutgers/AN/stadium.jpg (http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/rutgers/AN/stadium.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 15, 2011, 07:41:23 AM
Quote from: sac on February 14, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: 70_dc_alum on February 14, 2011, 08:41:36 PM
D3DB great posts.  I think the Alma kicker did have something on the line but it was the 2nd or 3rd game of the season so there was no pressing reason to send him out. Either way it was our responsibility to stop and it made for a great rivalry I loved playing Alma.

The miaa stadium I liked the most was Alma but the drive up there sucked it was our longest road trip. We always played up there early in the year sometimes homecoming so the stadium was usually full which is a nice thing for a normal d3 game!  Having played high school at a big D1  school in Ohio where you were used to 8k on a Friday night the normal 1-2k for a d3 game was depressing. Oliver was a dump pre renovation. One year our locker room was a tent with a port a potty and the visitor stands held 15 people


The drive to Alma is a lot better now that the oil refinery is closed, imagine driving all that way and the first thing you smell is Galveston, Texas.  Its been years and years, but I always hated driving past Alma on the way up North because it smelled so bad.




formerd3db:

Waiting for the City of Holland to do something is the reason we have DeVos Fieldhouse.   The longer this goes, the easier it will be to get something done on their own.

But with the oil refinery goes half Alma's population, and any chance at winning a state championship in a major sport
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 15, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
Formerd3db,

This is any easy question for you, but why would the city of Holland have a
Municipal Stadium and not Hope? I looked on the campus map and saw the DeVos fieldhouse (Impressive). Some of the Hope alums(deeper pockets) need to get with the city and make them an offer they cannot refuse! ;D ;D
You should lead the charge!!! :) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 15, 2011, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 15, 2011, 07:38:31 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 14, 2011, 02:24:39 PM
3) Alma - great view of the campus, although only minor aspect is that I wish they would have kept it in the same location as the original Balke an not switch with the former baseball field (but essentially they've been playing on this field since 1929); minor problem is that sun, wind and rain is in your face coming directly from the southwest/west; another negative is that the front row walkway is non-existent i.e. front row fans have to move out of your way to walk - not sure how that one got past the building codes; press box is very spacious for coaching and media, etc, but another negative there is that windows can't be opened and no air conditioning so fans have to be used in the early season games and...the film crew has to film on the roof being exposed to the weather. But overall, a nice stadium - they have the synthetic turf, they have kept the old college iron stadium name arch, matched it with oanother, brick and wrought iron fencing give it a great feel of that old college tradition, and "Among the Pines" which Alma's campus is noted for.

The one that has been complained about many times because of the hardness...that turf is terrible.

There is a new turf coming in this year that is supposed to to be the top quality. The original designs showed for maroon turf, but it did not get accepted by the President. The new turf is supposed to look good though. It looks similar to the Rutgers field, but with colored enzones and an "A" not an "R"
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmapmaker.rutgers.edu%2Frutgers%2FAN%2Fstadium.jpg&hash=54256f13426cef6fbcd19d04464f11334e74abdd)

Here's a bigger view of the picture: http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/rutgers/AN/stadium.jpg (http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/rutgers/AN/stadium.jpg)

It will look better on TV than the maroon field would have. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 15, 2011, 04:59:59 PM
sac:
That is true.  However, the problem for Hope will be...where would you put the new stadium.  As I mentioned, I do not think it would fit nor look good in front of DeVos.  Again, if they bought the homes in the block just across the street from DeVos, that could be a possibility and it would still fit in with the other athletic complexes that already exist.  However, there would then be two football stadiums within 1/2 block of each other and I doubt that would/will happen.

The problem, as I understand it, is that the City of Holland is fearful that Hope will charge them a high fee for rent, concessions, etc., as Hope did allegedly to Holland Christian High School, which was the reason why the latter left DeVos, raised their own funds and decided to build their nice new basketball/vollyball facility at their h.s. to add to their own nice fb stadium and new synthetic turf. 

Anyway, to me, it makes the most sense both business and logial for Hope and the City to work out a deal for the stadium that is mutally beneficial to both.  The football stadium has had its problems since its inception/construction and that is another story as we know (which I am going to relate to Raider68 since he asked in his recent post since he doesn't know that history! ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 15, 2011, 05:10:53 PM
sflzman:

The current turf, which is being replaced now as you relate since it is over 10 years old, and that as the expected life of it anyway when it was put in - it cost $550,000 instead of the $800,000+ that the "old" synthetic turf i.e. Omni turf cost.  I do not know what the new turf will cost, although it will only cost Alma the cost of the turf because they don't have to do any stadium renovations as do some of these other smaller DIII schools who are just now putting it in and renovating their stadiums for the first time in decades.

The current "new" turf, while at the end of its life, is certainly not anywhere near the hardness and/or dangerousness that the old style turf was before Alma replaced it.  That old turf was, indeed, like concrete and had caused an increase in concussions (and other injuries) before it was put in.  Alma wasted a ton of $ back then because the spent $35,000 just to patch it up in its final year, when they could have replaced it before then.  Of course, that would have meant that it would/should have been replaced last year instead of next year as you mention! ;D  Just for the sake of history, the Omni Turf, which Alma put in for the first time ever and being the first MIAA school to have synthetic turf for fb back in 1985, was then the "state of the art" turf.  It was supposed to be better than Astro Turf; Baldwin-Wallace, Eastern Michigan and Ferris State were the other three schools to first have it right before Alma.  It was my understanding that Eastern Michigan (perhaps Mr. Ypsi can help me out here ;D) or Ferris had then put the second generation of OMni Turf in during the mid-1990's before then going to the new style turf of Astro Play and/or Field Turf.

Also, Alma again was a leader in going to the new style turf because it was just the fourth university/college and/or high school in the nation to put in Astro Play when it first came out.  Detroit County Day High School had it as did the University of Seattle.  Anyway, thought this would help with Raider68's history lesson about our MIAA turfs!  See my next post to him. ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 15, 2011, 05:41:22 PM
Raider68:

Okay here is (hopefully - no pun intended! ;D), the short version of the stadium history at Hope.  Hope's original stadium built in the 1930's was owned by the City of Holland and was the county fair stadium.  As I have mentioned before, it was kind of neat because the home stands coverd with a roof entirely and were like your Mount Union's current old but renovated stands (I kind of likened it to a somewhat "very mini" Churchills Downs.  The visitors side had bleachers the entire length, although that was where the Hope student body usually sat as well because the parents, Hope alumni, etc. sat if the covered stands.  We also had two bleacher sets in the west endzone, which then kind of made the stadium "U" shaped and the stands on both sides were so close to the field, it made it a real neat cozy feeling.  The east end was open with a fence and several old smaller Victorian houses across the street (now torn down and replaced by a huge Senior Citizen's retirement complex) and our kickers always tried at breaking the windows of those houses when they kicked the extra points during games! ;D  At Homecoming, the fans and pep band (unfortunately Hope does not have a marching band, unlike Adrian, Albion, Alma and Trine?, Olivet used to and should bring it back).

Well, both Holland High School and all of Hope's teams - football, soccer, JV for both - used the old stadium and by mid-season, the turf was horrible and dangerous.  So Hope and the City decided to build a new stadium and they were going to put in synthetic turf - which would have been the old style turf because it was back in 1978-79.  The City had a Federal matching grant, but the project got delayed and was almost cancelled.  One of our legendary coaches on the staff was also on the City Council, the late Coach Russ De Vette and it was through his efforts that the stadium was saved to go on, since the City was going to cancel the project and they would have.  He successfully convinced them that since over $110,000 had already been spent on surverying and actual site clearance, that would have been a waste and, they would have lost the Federal matching grant due to not using it within the stipulated time frame.  However, due to the time delay in getting the project started, the construction costs had risen much so that the City and Hope College decided not to put the synthetic turf in to save that additional $.  The result, IMO and that of many others, is that has been a disaster in that respect ever since, becasue the same problem existed and still does to this day in having a poor field condition during the season because both the high school and the college use it.  The field drainage is terrible since it was initially made for synthetic turf, and even despite re-excavations thereafter to put a crown on the field to facilitate drainage.  So they had a nice new stadium,, but the same problem for which they wanted to replace the old one in the first place.  In additon, several of the surrounding area high schools, including one in adjacent Zeeland and Holland Christian, have the new style turf.

So the bottom line is that they had a new stadium but the same problem for which they decided to replace the old stadium for in the first place.  Also, if the College ever decides to bring the company in to put new style turf on all the practice fields, it will be cheaper to do the stadium at the same time since all the heavy equipment will be there as opposed to having to bring it in a second time and it is my understanding that is very, very expensive. So once again, IMO, the City and Hope need to work out this deal.  All of Hope's athletic facilities surround the stadium so that alone makes since, although a City owned park is in front of the stadium which has a nice picnic pavilion. The visitors current locker rooms are a city owned swiimming pool building, but I'm told even that facility is getting outdated and not sufficiently used during the summer.

Anyway, there is the hisotory and my apologies for "going over" and this did not end up being "the short version"! ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 15, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 15, 2011, 05:10:53 PM
sflzman:

The current turf, which is being replaced now as you relate since it is over 10 years old, and that as the expected life of it anyway when it was put in - it cost $550,000 instead of the $800,000+ that the "old" synthetic turf i.e. Omni turf cost.  I do not know what the new turf will cost, although it will only cost Alma the cost of the turf because they don't have to do any stadium renovations as do some of these other smaller DIII schools who are just now putting it in and renovating their stadiums for the first time in decades.

The current "new" turf, while at the end of its life, is certainly not anywhere near the hardness and/or dangerousness that the old style turf was before Alma replaced it.  That old turf was, indeed, like concrete and had caused an increase in concussions (and other injuries) before it was put in.  Alma wasted a ton of $ back then because the spent $35,000 just to patch it up in its final year, when they could have replaced it before then.  Of course, that would have meant that it would/should have been replaced last year instead of next year as you mention! ;D  Just for the sake of history, the Omni Turf, which Alma put in for the first time ever and being the first MIAA school to have synthetic turf for fb back in 1985, was then the "state of the art" turf.  It was supposed to be better than Astro Turf; Baldwin-Wallace, Eastern Michigan and Ferris State were the other three schools to first have it right before Alma.  It was my understanding that Eastern Michigan (perhaps Mr. Ypsi can help me out here ;D) or Ferris had then put the second generation of OMni Turf in during the mid-1990's before then going to the new style turf of Astro Play and/or Field Turf.

Also, Alma again was a leader in going to the new style turf because it was just the fourth university/college and/or high school in the nation to put in Astro Play when it first came out.  Detroit County Day High School had it as did the University of Seattle.  Anyway, thought this would help with Raider68's history lesson about our MIAA turfs!  See my next post to him. ;) 

I don't know exact figures, but I know had the President approved the maroon turf apposed to the multi-color green, with 3 color "A"s at 3 places on the field, and maroon endzones with white and black lettering, Alma would have been saving a lot of money.

Again like way back when we spent a bunch of money during camp this past summer fixing 3 major tears in the turf. And though this turf isn't as hard as the old one, it still does not feel great to land on.

Also, because of the additional patch ups the team's 2-year uniform process was changed to 3 years because there was only enough money left in the football budget last season to buy half of the road uniforms. So this year the remainder of the road unis will be ordered, then next year will have the home jerseys.

Quote from: sac on February 15, 2011, 03:37:51 PM
It will look better on TV than the maroon field would have. ;)

It definately would be interesting to see a maroon turf on TV. I know the sea of red at Eastern Washington blows your eyes out even more than the Boise blue.

I saw a cut-out turf sample that was sent in, and the maroon looked dark and subtle enough that I thought it actually wouldn't blow your eyes out too badly  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 15, 2011, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 15, 2011, 05:10:53 PM
sflzman:

The current turf, which is being replaced now as you relate since it is over 10 years old, and that as the expected life of it anyway when it was put in - it cost $550,000 instead of the $800,000+ that the "old" synthetic turf i.e. Omni turf cost.  I do not know what the new turf will cost, although it will only cost Alma the cost of the turf because they don't have to do any stadium renovations as do some of these other smaller DIII schools who are just now putting it in and renovating their stadiums for the first time in decades.

The current "new" turf, while at the end of its life, is certainly not anywhere near the hardness and/or dangerousness that the old style turf was before Alma replaced it.  That old turf was, indeed, like concrete and had caused an increase in concussions (and other injuries) before it was put in.  Alma wasted a ton of $ back then because the spent $35,000 just to patch it up in its final year, when they could have replaced it before then.  Of course, that would have meant that it would/should have been replaced last year instead of next year as you mention! ;D  Just for the sake of history, the Omni Turf, which Alma put in for the first time ever and being the first MIAA school to have synthetic turf for fb back in 1985, was then the "state of the art" turf.  It was supposed to be better than Astro Turf; Baldwin-Wallace, Eastern Michigan and Ferris State were the other three schools to first have it right before Alma.  It was my understanding that Eastern Michigan (perhaps Mr. Ypsi can help me out here ;D) or Ferris had then put the second generation of OMni Turf in during the mid-1990's before then going to the new style turf of Astro Play and/or Field Turf.

Also, Alma again was a leader in going to the new style turf because it was just the fourth university/college and/or high school in the nation to put in Astro Play when it first came out.  Detroit County Day High School had it as did the University of Seattle.  Anyway, thought this would help with Raider68's history lesson about our MIAA turfs!  See my next post to him. ;) 

Having played at Alma in 96 and 99 the stuff they have today has to feel like a tempurpedic bed compared to the concrete then.  When SaintsFan gets us going all we have to do is bring up that turf and he can't complete a sentence for a week after he smashed his skull on that turf. Which d3football posted a picture of the hit that knocked him stupid for one of those all decade team articles (I think that was the article)

Best description of that turf was it was like the green fake grass carpet you find on a concrete patio at a trailer park but it was really worn down and covered in sand for padding and to fill in the holes and cracks
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 15, 2011, 11:28:30 PM
70_dc_alum:

Your assessment/definition of the condition of that turf is right on.  It is actually hilarious now (i.e. your description regarding "trailer park indoor-outdoor fake grass recreational carpet filled in with sand to cover the cracks, athough it wasn't funny at the time of SaintsFAN's injury or the others that occurred during that time before the new turf! ;D :o ouch!)

sflzman:

The maroon turf doesn't sound that bad as you describe.  Too bad it was now voted down by your alma mater.  I do agree with you, however, that the current turf that needs to be replaced is well matted down and worn and certainly is harder than it was when it was first installed about 11 years ago or so.  But again, that is the usual expected life of any of these new style turfs and despite their being much less expensive than the old style turf, the longevity factor has not changed.  

BTW, I'm sure you and others saw where they had replaced the new turf in Jerry Jone's Dallas Cowboy's stadium for the Super Bowl after the Sugar Bowl and it was so slippery, it was dangerous.  In that regard, their "old: turf was not that old and IMO, that was an extreme waste of $; but when you are a guy like Jones who has a ton of $ to waste (heck his stadium cost over a billion dollars, then I guess you can do what you want with it.  It just seems to me quite a strange thing to do when the economy is so bad for so many people.  But...perhaps Jones gives a lot of $ to charity - I would hope he would, however, you don't hear abou that if he does.  And if he doesn't (I can't imagine that he doesn't) that would be quite disappointing and smack of arrogance. Ahh, but I digress... ;D ::). Anyway, we'll look forward to Alma's new turf in the future.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 16, 2011, 07:45:10 AM
Yeah, but the Cowboys are a joke and nobody likes them anyways...

I'm dissapointed Vick is getting the franchise tag. I was hoping he would somehow be in purple and gold next year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 16, 2011, 08:45:58 AM
D3DB first of all +1 for your Karma  Great detail and history

The Super Bowl was bad, the "new" turf was slippery, the seams and different shades and grain of "turf" was easy to see on TV.

Glad JJ took a beating for the Seat troubles, weather issues, the Cowboy's no were to be found in the playoffs. I do not like the guy, all about the show and himself bad example of what makes a Football team and a company successful.

We have discussed at length the "Turf" vs. Grass issue. I will always like grass better, from a cost issue "Turf" is a better option. I would like all of the MIAA go to "Turf" multiuse locations, good use of College's money. I "hope" that Holland and Hope can come to a agreement that serves both well. These fields could still have "character" with the seating and surrounding area. I enjoy the classic look / traditional look to the buildings.

As far as Michael Vick I give him credit for having a decent / good year.
I have my own personal hell for him, POS I never will respect him or forgive him, sub-human no excuse for it.

Spring Ball is coming, good chance to see who has been working hard this winter. Championships are won in the off season.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 16, 2011, 09:54:47 AM
Formerd3db,

Thanks for the short version on Hope. Eventually the city and the school can get on the same page so everyone benefits. In small communities, more often than not, a college/university provides so much to a city in terms of employment, visitors and the money spent for lodging/restaurants etc. Often that fact is overlooked and taken for granted. Fostering a good partnership for the future should be a priortiy there. IMHO! :) +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 16, 2011, 06:28:56 PM
D306:

Thank you very much and here is +k for you regarding your own great comments.  I remember that in the past you (and some others) said you liked the grass.  However, in this "day and age", I agree that the multiuse new style turf is the best answer for all the small colleges/universities at the very least for all the reasons that have been discussed before and, of course, the $ issue as you mention.

I also agree with you and sflzman re: JJ.

Good to hear from you and I hope all is well with you and yours.  BTW, sounds like Hoke and your U of Michigan is on a very positive start so far for the upcoming fb season.  Should be fun (I hope! for them and us at Hope;well, we'll include your Albion as well?).

Raider68:

As you and D306 mentioned, yes, I hope that Hope and the City of Holland can work something out.  I can't imagine they won't eventually due to the very fact that they have had a tremendous great working and supportive relationship for decades, perhaps the best in the all of the MIAA among the schools and their respective towns.  The community has supported Hope's athletic aspect (and, of course, the academic and cultural offerings for years), and in sometimes  having the best attendence overall for many year at the games (except for Trine fb this year ;D ;)) for most of the sports; they have the big Community Appreciation Day for the first home fb game each year with a huge picnic/bbq lunch for community, fans, aumni, etc.  A ton of older commnity residents always come to the fb games (including bb for both men and women - not sure if some of you knew this but Hope holds the al-time DIII single game attendance for men's bb at almots 12,000 when they played Calvin about 10 years ago and they have led DIII in national avg attendance in basketball the past 4-5 years just under 4,000 and...the women's bb team (which has won 2 national DIII championships) had 3,400 at their game a couple of weeks ago - the latter outdraws some DI schools including MSU's great women's team at times).  I could go on further, but I thinkk you get my point about the good relationship between the college and the city.  So, again, I will be extremely disappointed if they don't eventually work something out that is a "win-win" situation for both as you mention - it would be extremely stupid and foolish IMO if they didn't. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 17, 2011, 09:00:07 AM
The updates to Stadiums really comes down to Alumni support, as Colleges, cities and States are cash strapped. This may take a few years especially in Michigan / Ohio / Indiana.

RE: UofM as I had commented earlier, Hoke is a very good coach and recruiter.  Hired a very strong staff ( the key to a good team ) He is tough the team will be tough, and disciplined. It will take a few years to transition into their "style". I expect a strong season this year, all kinds of speed, nice recruit class targeting a few area's in defense. Next years recruit class will be key. The attittude and unity in the UofM family is more unitied. RR is a decent guy, good coach, bad fit, made too many changes and did not transition into his game. Not enough support in the "famliy" or the media.

I am not as close to Albion as I was ( not that I was ever an "insider" ) The players I coached or were kids of my friends are almost all out of program.
What I noticed from the little I saw after our move out of state, is 2009 defense ( did not see much of 2010 games) was  good had the chance to be very good, dominating. Too many injuries not enough depth to cover for injuries. ( I think this is the real difference in the last 5-7 years in the MIAA, teams cannot build enough depth, have to hit with every recruit and get lucky with walk ons ) The offense has some very good talent coming back RB specifically, I noticed some good size and quality schools in the incoming OL players. The defense has a couple key players DB, but again has lost DL strength. In the last 2 years Albion lost 4 above average DL players to graduation. I do not know if they have replaced them, this upcoming year. I hate to say this but the overall talent and play level seems to have regressed in the MIAA Trine obviously has improved to a quality team. I think Trine is solid but is not any better than some of the Hope, Albion teams from a few years ago.

Thank You for asking about my family, things are good. My Daughter in law has adjusted to the loss of Husband (our son) and the twins medical issues. Long term the Twins health issues look to be stable / in remission. Look to give them the best life they can have for as long as we are blessed to have them in our lives.  We all have adjusted to the new house and living conditions, full access and medical requirements on-site now.

Now that house / kids are up  I will try to see some games locally and possibly catch a MIAA game. When back in Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 18, 2011, 08:45:15 AM
D306:

You are so right.  Also, yes, it will be interesting to see how the aspects progress that you've discussed with those teams. BTW, I will continue to keep you in prayer - glad to hear that your family situation has improved.  Keep the Faith...keep posting with us here.  Also, if/when you ever get to one of the MIAA games of Albion or any teams that play against Hope, please let me know in advance - it would be great to meet you in person.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 18, 2011, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 16, 2011, 06:28:56 PM
D306:

Thank you very much and here is +k for you regarding your own great comments.  I remember that in the past you (and some others) said you liked the grass.  However, in this "day and age", I agree that the multiuse new style turf is the best answer for all the small colleges/universities at the very least for all the reasons that have been discussed before and, of course, the $ issue as you mention.

I also agree with you and sflzman re: JJ.

Good to hear from you and I hope all is well with you and yours.  BTW, sounds like Hoke and your U of Michigan is on a very positive start so far for the upcoming fb season.  Should be fun (I hope! for them and us at Hope;well, we'll include your Albion as well?).

Raider68:

As you and D306 mentioned, yes, I hope that Hope and the City of Holland can work something out.  I can't imagine they won't eventually due to the very fact that they have had a tremendous great working and supportive relationship for decades, perhaps the best in the all of the MIAA among the schools and their respective towns.  The community has supported Hope's athletic aspect (and, of course, the academic and cultural offerings for years), and in sometimes  having the best attendence overall for many year at the games (except for Trine fb this year ;D ;)) for most of the sports; they have the big Community Appreciation Day for the first home fb game each year with a huge picnic/bbq lunch for community, fans, aumni, etc.  A ton of older commnity residents always come to the fb games (including bb for both men and women - not sure if some of you knew this but Hope holds the al-time DIII single game attendance for men's bb at almots 12,000 when they played Calvin about 10 years ago and they have led DIII in national avg attendance in basketball the past 4-5 years just under 4,000 and...the women's bb team (which has won 2 national DIII championships) had 3,400 at their game a couple of weeks ago - the latter outdraws some DI schools including MSU's great women's team at times).  I could go on further, but I thinkk you get my point about the good relationship between the college and the city.  So, again, I will be extremely disappointed if they don't eventually work something out that is a "win-win" situation for both as you mention - it would be extremely stupid and foolish IMO if they didn't. ;)


Formerd3db,

Speaking of Hope's, what schools have been the atttendance leaders in the MIAA? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2011, 08:42:18 PM
Trine was #8 in the nation for Division 3 with an average home attendance of 4,784.  

Mt Union was #14 at 4,079.  

St John's was #1 with an average attendance of 8,651.  

I got the numbers here...

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2010.pdf

The MIAA was #12 of 29 conferences total.

Trine 4784
Hope 2335
Adrian 2120
Albion 1858
Alma 1417
Kalamazoo 1148
Olivet 611 (?)



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 18, 2011, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2011, 08:42:18 PM
Trine was #8 in the nation for Division 3 with an average home attendance of 4,784. 

Mt Union was #14 at 4,079. 

St John's was #1 with an average attendance of 8,651.   

I got the numbers here...

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2010.pdf

The MIAA was #12 of 29 conferences total.

Trine 4784
Hope 2335
Adrian 2120
Albion 1858
Alma 1417
Kalamazoo 1148
Olivet 611 (?)





Uncle Rico,

Thanks! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2011, 09:04:02 AM
Uncle Rico:

Yes, thanks for the info - and +k for you :).  Impressive for not only Trine, however, the MIAA as well.  I also think that had Olivet not had such a bad year i.e. if they had been like they were years ago, their average home attendance would have beeen much more than it was this year.  In addition, I was surprised to see that Kalamazoo's attendance was over the 1,000 mark and that is great.  I would have thought it was similar to Olivet's as it has been like that in the past.  However, I believe that just shows what a good job that Zorbo is doing with the program so far in getting some increased support from their fan base and not just parents whose sons are playing. :)  BTW, I hope you (and LIR) - and like D306 has continued to do -will periodically continue to keep posting on here even though your son has completed his eligibility.  I have appreciated/enjoy your contributions as I'm sure our colleagues here do as well. Besides, what else would you be doing in your "spare time"? ??? ::) :o ;) ;D

Raider68:

Uncle Rico beat me to it i.e. the attendance info!  I usually follow that "stuff" yearly as well (I recall, if I recall correctly, that Pat had posted a link to that i.e. NCAA DIII football attendance as well last year or before - it may have been one that he and his staff compiled as opposed to the NCAA site that Uncle Rico noted, however, Pat's one was very well done).  At any rate, it is great to see that St. John's continues to be that high (they often have >10,000 at home games.  I also recall when Dayton used to have 10,000-11,000 the first few years after they dropped from DI  to DIII i.e. before the actual DI-AA "days", which was great.  Anyway, it is also still great to see, as has been mentioned, that there are still some yearly DIII fb games that draw those higher numbers i.e. over 10,000 such as the Monon Bell and the Ithaca/Cortland games.

BTW, congrats on your 400th (now 401) +k.  Well done, sir!


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 19, 2011, 09:43:26 AM
Formerd3db, Uncle Rico

Thanks for that! Looking at Mt. Union's attendance for 2010, there were only
4 home games and some of the tougher oponents were away games. All in all the 4,000 plus is about right with the top games reaching up to 8,000 fans. Regarding St. John's, their attendance has always been great and they have a captive audience there.

Most D3 stadiums seat 5,000 or less, except for the WIAC teams that are closer to 10,000. IMHO, most often it is the great atmosphere, not simply the huge numbers! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bash-Dad #84 on February 19, 2011, 04:57:28 PM
Wabash College, with less than 900 students is #4 in the nation in average attendance! I think that is awesome. I don't do a lot of bragging on here, but it is a great place to watch a football game.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 19, 2011, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Bash-Dad #84 on February 19, 2011, 04:57:28 PM
Wabash College, with less than 900 students is #4 in the nation in average attendance! I think that is awesome. I don't do a lot of bragging on here, but it is a great place to watch a football game.  8-)

Bash-Dad #84,

That says something about the program, Coach and fans! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
MIAA Teams ranked in attendance  by % capacity...

Trine - 96% (4784/5000+)
Adrian - 71% (2120/3000)
Hope - 47% (2335/5000)
Kalamazoo - 38% (1148/3000)
Albion - 36% (1858/5114?)
Alma - 35% (1417/4000)
Olivet - N/A (611/?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
MIAA Teams ranked in attendance  by % capacity...

Trine - 96% (4784/5000+)
Adrian - 71% (2120/3000)
Hope - 47% (2335/5000)
Kalamazoo - 38% (1148/3000)
Albion - 36% (1858/5114?)
Alma - 35% (1417/4000)
Olivet - N/A (611/?)

Any ideas on Olivet's max capacity?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2011, 06:10:53 PM
sflzman:

Great job on the statistics - thanks and +k.  Olivet's capacity is 2,000 for the main home permanent stadium stands and I believe about 500 for the single vistors bleacher section they have.  Perhaps OC_SID can help us out, although I believe those numbers are correct (if they are not, then I believe the total stadium actual seating (i.e not standing) capacity is 2,000.  So if you use only the home stand number of 2,000, then 611/2000 = 31%.  If you use the total stadium capacity of the other figure, then 611/2500 = 24%.

Also, Hope's stadium total seating capacity is 5325.  So their actual average attendance capacity percentage is 2335/5325 = 44% three % points down from your original 47% (ouch! ::) :P :()

Also, I was surprised to see some of the colleges that were in the top ten and also higher than some I thought would be "way up there".  For example, Amherst (the Lord Jeffs, for you history buffs!) was 5.068; Geneva College in PA was 5,184; Grove City College PA (who has the U of Michigan helmets but with red wings!) was way up there also with 3,420.  Baldwin-Wallace was 4327  and even Ohio Wesleyan beat Hope with a mark of 2,405.  Linfield, out in Oregon had only 2,087.  Monmouth (Hope Coach Dean Kreps alma mater outdrew DePauw).  And here was a good one - Otterbein (which is similar to Hope) drew 4,200 per game which is fantastic. 

Anyway, thanks to Pat and crew for posting these attendance figures again this year, and again to you guys i.e. Uncle Rico and sflzman for doing "the math" for us. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
You guys have me going on this "attendance thing". ;D ;)  In reviewing the NCAA Football attendance figures for 2010 for all divisions, DIII and even our MIAA didn't do that bad in reality.  I was quite surprised.  Here are some of the various "FYIs" that I scanned/picked up on:

The some of the MIAA schools did just as well and in some instances better than the DII schools in the GLIAC.  GLIAC attendance numbers:
Hillsdale 1,803
Ferris St. 2,973
Ashland 3,765
Indianapolis 3,772
Michigan Tech 2,186
Morthern Mich 2,533
Wayne State 2,772
Ohio Dominican 1,660
Saginaw Valley 5,739
Lake Erie 1,690

Others DII schools from other conferences or independents: Mercyhurst 1,443; Gannon 1,558, St. Joseph's (IN) 2,462

Compare this to FCS Daytoon 3,286 (way down from their "glory days"), Davidson 3,508, Columbia, Darmouth, Cornell 5,000-6,000 range, Yale and Harvard 14,000=16,000; James Madison 16,000, Valparaiso 2,172, Princeton 7,725, Eastern Washington the FCS champion 6,472 (as compared to Appal. St and Montana at 25,000), Drake 2,466, Jacsonville State near 10,000, Liberty 14,630 -wow, that is great for this school in VA (seems like the VA FCS and other schools do pretty well :)), SanDiego about 3000+ (way down) Morehead-State drew better and Stephen F. Austin in Texas who used to be in the Pinoeer League with Dayton, Valpo, etc. drew about 9,000+;  Even now DIII Minnesota-Morris outdrew some of their fellow Miinn DII schools!!

DI MAC, Buffalo 12,000, Eastern Michigan 15,000+ (wow, Mr. Ypsi - how did they do that and outdraw some of the others? ;D ::) :o, Western Mic 13,000, Ball State 8,000+ (ouch  :o :P), even Kent State drew better; Central Mich 20,000, etc.

Overall, NCAA football attendance in 2010 was way up from the previous years - which is great!

So, what do you guys think? ???


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
So Mr. Ypsi - I still want to know what you think!  Eastern Michigan outdrawing some of those fellow MAC schools?? ??? ::) ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 11:08:16 PM
that surprised me as well how linfields attendance was so low. linfield has a great sports tradition and I'm not sure if they still do but the Portland trail blazers training camp used to be at linfield. another big surprise is the d2 schools that underdrew our miaa schools. I have a family member who played on the first Minnesota morris team and he went back for his first ever game this year -homecoming and he said the atmosphere there was a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 12:10:48 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 19, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
So Mr. Ypsi - I still want to know what you think!  Eastern Michigan outdrawing some of those fellow MAC schools?? ??? ::) ;D



I hadn't heard anything about that huge spike in attendance.  I've never attended a game where attendance was more than 3-4,000 (but it has been 2-3 years since I've gone).  They did get caught grossly inflating attendance a few years ago.  I hope that this figure is legit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 20, 2011, 10:58:11 AM
Yes, Mr. Ypsi, that is interesting.  I guess I'll have to go onto the Eastern Michigan website and review the box scores.  Like you, I hope those are legit figures and not padded, although if they are legit, that means Eastern did well compared to some of the other MAC teams who were better in the W-L column.  Maybe there is hope ;D after all (for them and my alma mater! ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 20, 2011, 11:15:24 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
MIAA Teams ranked in attendance  by % capacity...

Trine - 96% (4784/5000+)
Adrian - 71% (2120/3000)
Hope - 47% (2335/5000)
Kalamazoo - 38% (1148/3000)
Albion - 36% (1858/5114?)
Alma - 35% (1417/4000)
Olivet - N/A (611/?)

Any ideas on Olivet's max capacity?

Good stats for Trine and Adrian, but what has it been for the last 5 years? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on February 20, 2011, 11:19:27 AM
Hard to fathom that Heidelberg, playing in front of people in lawn chairs, outdrew Tiffin U. HU did ship in some temporaries, but the lawn chair thing was more fun.  Somewhat like Case Western, the best seats in the house are in an overlooking dorm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 20, 2011, 11:21:37 AM
Okay, Mr. Ypsi, here is the "scope" re: Eastern Michigan home attendance for 2010:
(games in order of the season)

Army (first game of the season)                                                     11,318
Central Michigan (always a bid draw-heated rivalry as you know) 20,348
Ohio (Homecoming)                                                                         16,753
Toledo (close by)                                                                             25,860
Northern Illinois (the MAC West Div champ, last game of the
                          season, by then EMU 2-9 - not good;
                          this is MIAA, CCIW attendance for
                          our "big" games)                                                   5,147
                                                                                    Total = 79, 426 for an average of 15,885


So they improved and better than some of the other MAC schools.   They did play Vanderbilt, Virginia, Ohio State for some big schools.  So we'll see what happens and what Ron English can eventually do.  At least they outdrew Ball State, Western Michiga, but I believe Kent State and Buffalo weren't too far behind them.  Again, IMO, the MAC schools should really be FCS classification.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 20, 2011, 11:28:55 AM
seventies:

Yes, interesting as well, but as you say, that must have been fun with the lawn chairs.  Also, indeed, that is kind of neat at Case Western where those new dorms are, although I hope they get fans also to fill the stadium seats.  Also, at Tiffin and Findlay, they need to get those programs back "up to par" if they want to compete in the GLIAC for the title and/or just to survive, IMO. 

Raider68:

As I recall, Trine did well also in 2009, however, Adrian didn't do as well even with the stadium being new.  That is one thing I will tell you that even when Hope is down in the W-L as we have been the last 3 years, the town and community still really support it well.  Look at this year, we still had 2,335 per home game and about 4,000 for homecoming, but in really good years, we are in the over 3,000-4,000 range and if you have a title game, it is really big.  I'd have to go back and look at the box score for the Hope @ Adrian game for this past year in 2010, however, when we were there, the stadium was not that full, except for the Hope side which was entirely filled and even thought Adrian ended up pulling away and from us to win the game.  Anyway, interesting stats.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: seventiesraider on February 20, 2011, 11:35:26 AM
PS: Keep moving your  finger down the list till you get to Akron: Average 10,100. A complete waste of a stadium. Local high schools could pull that many. (And by the way, I don't even believe they had that many)

Irony? In June Alcoholics Anonymous fills the place
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on February 20, 2011, 12:44:32 PM
Haven't been on for awhile......when catching up on the current topics........here is something to consider on the attendance issue.....let's see what happens with the predicted rise in gas prices this summer if people choose to attend or not........ ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 20, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 20, 2011, 11:15:24 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
MIAA Teams ranked in attendance  by % capacity...

Trine - 96% (4784/5000+)
Adrian - 71% (2120/3000)
Hope - 47% (2335/5000)
Kalamazoo - 38% (1148/3000)
Albion - 36% (1858/5114?)
Alma - 35% (1417/4000)
Olivet - N/A (611/?)

Any ideas on Olivet's max capacity?

Good stats for Trine and Adrian, but what has it been for the last 5 years? :)

Adrian

2010: 2120/3000 - 71%
2009: 2016/3000 - 67%
2008: 2225/3000 - 74%
2007: 2235/3000 - 75%
2006: 2400/3000 - 80%

Trine/Tri-State (I don't know the old capacity of Trine's stadium, but for my stat purposes I will leave it at 5000)

2010: 4784/5000 - 96%
2009: 3352/5000 - 67%
2008: 3737/5000 - 75%
2007: 2917/5000 - 58%
2006: 0930/5000 - 17%
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 21, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
sflzman,

Thanks for the historical attendance stats for Trine and Adrian! Adrian has been consistent and Trine has really grown! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 21, 2011, 07:33:58 PM
For those who might be interested, since we had discussed some of this and coaching changes during the recent U of Michigan search.  I have been searching the last 3-4 weeks to try and find where former U of Mich/Central Mich/Detroit Lions/Miami (FL) QB coach Scot Loeffler ended up after Urban Meyer's staff disbanded when Meyer retired a couple of months ago.  Loeffler had interviewed for the OC position at LSU under Les Miles, however, that went to the former head coach at Louisville.  I hadn't been able to locate any info until today.  I found that Loeffler has been hired at the Offensive Coordinator/QB coach at DI Temple University in the MAC.  New Head Coach Steve Addazio, who was one of the coordinators at Miami (FL) under Meyer and with Loeffler (and who has been an assistant at several other big DI schools including Nortre Dame and also a DIII school in Conn at the beginning of his career), has hired several of his former colleagues on that staff from Miami.  Temple was improved this year, including in attendance and in a quick review of their non-conf schedule, they have some pretty big games scheduled, including Virginia and Penn State.  They also just signed an agreement for a 3 year series with Nortre Dame. 

As I mentioned before, I personally would have liked to see Loeffler rehired at his alma mater Michigan as he has done a great job in coaching some big time QB's (Brady, Griese and Tebow).  However, I think that he will be a great asse to Temple and the new staff there has a great opportunity to improve Temples program even more - I tend to thing they will and potentially eventaully get it back to the next level similar to how Cinninnati has done the past decade or so.  Time will tell.  Anyway, just thought some of you might be interested to hear about this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on February 21, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 20, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 20, 2011, 11:15:24 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 19, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
MIAA Teams ranked in attendance  by % capacity...

Trine - 96% (4784/5000+)
Adrian - 71% (2120/3000)
Hope - 47% (2335/5000)
Kalamazoo - 38% (1148/3000)
Albion - 36% (1858/5114?)
Alma - 35% (1417/4000)
Olivet - N/A (611/?)

Any ideas on Olivet's max capacity?

Good stats for Trine and Adrian, but what has it been for the last 5 years? :)

Adrian

2010: 2120/3000 - 71%
2009: 2016/3000 - 67%
2008: 2225/3000 - 74%
2007: 2235/3000 - 75%
2006: 2400/3000 - 80%

Trine/Tri-State (I don't know the old capacity of Trine's stadium, but for my stat purposes I will leave it at 5000)

2010: 4784/5000 - 96%
2009: 3352/5000 - 67%
2008: 3737/5000 - 75%
2007: 2917/5000 - 58%
2006: 0930/5000 - 17%


Any percentages for when Trine was at an away game. Sometimes it seems Trine had more spectators at the away game than the home field did.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on February 21, 2011, 07:56:19 PM
Sorry about that post.......Here it is again.

Are there any percentages as to when Trine was at an away game?........in some cases it seemed like Trine had more people at the away game than the home field team did.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 22, 2011, 08:04:03 AM
Quote from: John 316 on February 21, 2011, 07:56:19 PM
Sorry about that post.......Here it is again.

Are there any percentages as to when Trine was at an away game?........in some cases it seemed like Trine had more people at the away game than the home field team did.

Do not have Trine numbers, but many of the conference leading teams draw well at away games especially those that are in the playoffs each year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2011, 11:58:28 AM
Lou Holtz is going to speak at Trines commencement. 

http://www.trine.edu/news_events/022211TrineHoltzSpeaker.htm

Bobby Knight spoke at last years commencement.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
Will there be a translator?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 22, 2011, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
Will there be a translator?

zing
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 22, 2011, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2011, 11:58:28 AM
Lou Holtz is going to speak at Trines commencement. 

http://www.trine.edu/news_events/022211TrineHoltzSpeaker.htm

Bobby Knight spoke at last years commencement.



The great Herman Boone spoke at Alma College on Saturday night. It was a great speech, but was relatively low in attendence because it was publisized so poorly...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2011, 03:22:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
Will there be a translator?

Shame on you!   ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 22, 2011, 10:34:41 PM
Uncle Rico:
I sense you say that with "tongue in cheek"! :P ;D  Pat does have a point - Holtz is sometimes too weird in his analysis IMO! ;D :D  Also, I must admit that Lou Holtz is not one of my favorite college football coaches.  I lost a lot of respect for him a long time ago (and that goes back to his days at Minnesota).  However, I will admit that I enjoy when he and Mark May go at it on ESPN's College Football shows!  I believe those guys deep down don't like each other and they rarely agree.  Reese Davis (who used to be the sports anchor for my original hometown's (Flint, MI) TV station right before he made it to the "big time" at ESPN, has to keep those two in line i.e. be the referee. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 22, 2011, 11:05:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 22, 2011, 10:34:41 PM
Uncle Rico:
I sense you say that with "tongue in cheek"! :P ;D  Pat does have a point - Holtz is sometimes too weird in his analysis IMO! ;D :D  Also, I must admit that Lou Holtz is not one of my favorite college football coaches.  I lost a lot of respect for him a long time ago (and that goes back to his days at Minnesota).  However, I will admit that I enjoy when he and Mark May go at it on ESPN's College Football shows!  I believe those guys deep down don't like each other and they rarely agree.  Reese Davis (who used to be the sports
anchor for my original hometown's (Flint, MI) TV station right before he made it to the "big time" at ESPN, has to keep those two in line i.e. be the referee. :)

My dad actualy played for lou holtz at Minnesota. So don't talk bad about my gophers or there coach. And remember, this year the jug is coming back to it's rightful place in Minneapolis.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 23, 2011, 12:56:00 AM
sflzman:

No disrespect intended toward your dad or the Univ. of Minnesota. Neat that he played there.  Also, I like the history of their football program.  Yet, I can tell you that Lou Holtz was very disingenuous (and that's saying/putting it nicely - diplomatically) when he was there in his dealings with their former team physician (an orthopedic surgeon).  His antics in regards to that were well documented in a previoulsy published book during his ND tenure.  As I mentioned, after reading about that (and, of course, how he left Minnesota in the dirt in bolting for ND - yes, I know he had that as a clause in his contract), I lost a lot of respect for him.  Anyway, indeed, we'll have to see where the jug ends up this year.  As I am a Michigan fan (since my father was a grad from there for both undergrad and his masters and we followed Michigan football since childhood), I think it will stay in the possession of Michigan! ;D  Perhaps we'll have to have a friendly wager over that (and the Alma/Hope game too!) for some donuts and cider! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 23, 2011, 09:23:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 23, 2011, 12:56:00 AM
sflzman:

No disrespect intended toward your dad or the Univ. of Minnesota. Neat that he played there.  Also, I like the history of their football program.  Yet, I can tell you that Lou Holtz was very disingenuous (and that's saying/putting it nicely - diplomatically) when he was there in his dealings with their former team physician (an orthopedic surgeon).  His antics in regards to that were well documented in a previoulsy published book during his ND tenure.  As I mentioned, after reading about that (and, of course, how he left Minnesota in the dirt in bolting for ND - yes, I know he had that as a clause in his contract), I lost a lot of respect for him.  Anyway, indeed, we'll have to see where the jug ends up this year.  As I am a Michigan fan (since my father was a grad from there for both undergrad and his masters and we followed Michigan football since childhood), I think it will stay in the possession of
Michigan! ;D  Perhaps we'll have to have a friendly wager over that (and the Alma/Hope game too!) for some donuts and cider! ;D

I live life with two rules

1. Never question a woman's judgement
2. Never bet on Minnesota. We do the unthinkable. I remember the tex tech bowl game a few years ago where we set the record for largest lead ever blown in a bowl game...it's terrible to be a gophers fan. This bball season there was legit elite eight chances, but Joseph transfers and nolen breaks a foot and now we re losing to Indiana and Penn state
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 24, 2011, 07:45:06 AM
Any updated recruiting news for the MIAA teams?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2011, 10:34:17 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 22, 2011, 11:05:53 PM
My dad actualy played for lou holtz at Minnesota. So don't talk bad about my gophers or there coach. And remember, this year the jug is coming back to it's rightful place in Minneapolis.


You can have the jug.  We'll be holding on to the axe.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 24, 2011, 11:03:15 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2011, 10:34:17 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 22, 2011, 11:05:53 PM
My dad actualy played for lou holtz at Minnesota. So don't talk bad about my gophers or there coach. And remember, this year the jug is coming back to it's rightful place in Minneapolis.


You can have the jug.  We'll be holding on to the axe.  ;)

I saw the greatest t shirt ever at the big ten bball tourney last spring... It said FUC(and then had an outline of the state minnesota) WISCONSIN ;D ;D

But forget the axe I want the slab of bacon
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 24, 2011, 11:04:47 PM
We shoulda had it in camp Randall in 09 but blew it...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 24, 2011, 11:07:36 PM
I'm not saying that of which the t shirts said. Just thought they were funny...I legitly hate the badgers though more than anything else
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on February 26, 2011, 08:35:14 AM
I see a couple 2011 Football schedules have come out.

Looking at Albion's schedule, the Brits have a tough schedule on the books.

@ Butler
@ Wheaton
H  Wisconsin Stevens Point
@ Kalamazoo
H  Alma
@ Hope
H Olivet
@ Adrian
@ Depauw
H Trine 

Tough schedule and many of the tough games on the road.
IF Albion has a solid record they will be ready for a hopeful league deciding game at Home vs Trine last week of the year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 26, 2011, 10:10:36 AM
Quote from: D306 on February 26, 2011, 08:35:14 AM
I see a couple 2011 Football schedules have come out.

Looking at Albion's schedule, the Brits have a tough schedule on the books.

@ Butler
@ Wheaton
H  Wisconsin Stevens Point
@ Kalamazoo
H  Alma
@ Hope
H Olivet
@ Adrian
@ Depauw
H Trine 

Tough schedule and many of the tough games on the road.
IF Albion has a solid record they will be ready for a hopeful league deciding game at Home vs Trine last week of the year.


Credit to the Albion program for setting up the challenge against some good non-conference teams. Some compettive wins will make them a good contender in the MIAA, in the fall! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 02, 2011, 08:22:03 AM
sflzman,

Is Alma's schedule out yet, maybe I missed it! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 02, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
Raider68:

Here is Hope's 2011 schedule:

Sept 3   @ Illinois Wesleyan
Sept 10 Wisconsin Lutheran (Annual Community Day)
Sept 17 Millikin
Sept 24 @ Lakeland (WI)
Oct 1     @ Alma
Oct 8     Kalamazoo
Oct 15   Albion (Homecoming)
Oct 22  @ Trine
Oct 29   BYE
Nov 5    Adrian
Nov 10  @Olivet
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 02, 2011, 04:47:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 02, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
Raider68:

Here is Hope's 2011 schedule:

Sept 3   @ Illinois Wesleyan
Sept 10 Wisconsin Lutheran (Annual Community Day)
Sept 17 Millikin
Sept 24 @ Lakeland (WI)
Oct 1     @ Alma
Oct 8     Kalamazoo
Oct 15   Albion (Homecoming)
Oct 22  @ Trine
Oct 29   BYE
Nov 5    Adrian
Nov 10  @Olivet

Formerd3db,

Thanks for that! Hope has a tough one at IWU! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 02, 2011, 04:47:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 02, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
Raider68:

Here is Hope's 2011 schedule:

Sept 3   @ Illinois Wesleyan
Sept 10 Wisconsin Lutheran (Annual Community Day)
Sept 17 Millikin
Sept 24 @ Lakeland (WI)
Oct 1     @ Alma
Oct 8     Kalamazoo
Oct 15   Albion (Homecoming)
Oct 22  @ Trine
Oct 29   BYE
Nov 5    Adrian
Nov 10  @Olivet

Formerd3db,

Thanks for that! Hope has a tough one at IWU! :)

Hope gives IWU a helluva game every year, though ultimately they don't quite get it done.  What mystifies me (as a Titan supporter) is that that doesn't translate into more success in the MIAA, since IWU, imo, is considerably better than any other team they face (except Trine lately).  (In 2008, I saw IWU win in Holland by 3.  I can't find the result of the 2009 game in Bloomington, but memory says it was a TD or less.  In 2010, IWU won by 4 in Holland.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 02, 2011, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 23, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
Yes I would say the same order and I agree with the lack of - can we call it starpower? - that Adrian has, though they are solid and consistant. Alma's non-con schedule is as follows:

Sep. 3    Heidelberg University    Tiffin, OH
Sep. 10    Illinois Wesleyan Univeristy    Alma, MI    
Sep. 17    Rockford College    Rockford, IL
Sep. 24    Hanover College    Alma, MI This game probably will not be played, who we are playing is a question that i don't think anyone at Alma can answer. Hanover backed out of the game this year (why we played d-2 KWC), which would mean we probably are not playing them this year either...

The new basketball arena is great, and the video board is better than anything Hope or Calvin can  show off...The arena also has a low-ceiling design which allows the building to get loud - really loud - very quickly...

There was an Alma vs. Ithaca high school game over winter break in the arena that brought in over 1500 people...the building was completely fired up and at times was so loud you found yourself shouting to the person next to you...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 02, 2011, 10:08:50 PM
I beleive it was u who asked me about campsites for the iwu game mr ypsi. Here is the miaa schedule as well:

Oct 1 Hope - alma
Oct 8 Albion - Albion
Oct 15 Trine - alma
Oct 29 kzoo - kzoo
Nov 5 Olivet - alma
Nov 12 Adrian - Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 02, 2011, 10:12:03 PM
And still no word on the Hanover - or lack of - game. Still 9 as of now
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 02, 2011, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 05:52:41 PM

Hope gives IWU a helluva game every year, though ultimately they don't quite get it done.  What mystifies me (as a Titan supporter) is that that doesn't translate into more success in the MIAA, since IWU, imo, is considerably better than any other team they face (except Trine lately).  (In 2008, I saw IWU win in Holland by 3.  I can't find the result of the 2009 game in Bloomington, but memory says it was a TD or less.  In 2010, IWU won by 4 in Holland.)

Hope lost to IWU in both 2008 and 2009 by the identical score of 28-25.

The 09 boxscore

http://www.miaa.org/fb/stats/09/iwufb1.htm
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 11:18:33 PM
Thanks, sflzman, I've now put the game on my calendar (forgot to before).

Thanks, sac, even closer than I'd remembered.  So WHY can't Hope dominate the MIAA (excluding Trine)?  IWU-Trine would be a very interesting game (I'd root for IWU, of course, but I think I'd bet on Trine), but I think I'd heavily bet on IWU against any other MIAA team.  If Hope is THAT close to beating IWU every year, why don't they at least come in second every year in the MIAA? ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 03, 2011, 12:20:08 AM
Well until the last 3 years they pretty much did always finish 1st or 2nd.

Hope Under Coach Kreps

Year    Overall    MIAA    Finish    Home    Away
1995    2-7    1-4    Fifth    2-4    0-3
1996    4-5    3-2    Second    1-3    3-2
1997    6-3    4-1    First (tie)    3-2    3-1
1998    5-4    4-2    Second    2-2    3-2
1999    5-4    5-1    First (tie)    3-2    2-2
2000    8-2    5-0    First    3-2    5-0
2001    7-2    4-1    Second    5-0    2-2
2002    5-5    4-2    Second (tie)    3-2    2-3
2003    7-4    5-1    First    4-0    3-4
2004    6-4    5-2    Second (tie)    3-2    3-2
2005    5-5    5-2    Second (tie)    4-1    1-4
2006    7-4    7-0    First    4-1    3-3
2007    6-4    6-1    First (tie)    2-3    4-1
2008    3-7    3-3    Third (tie)    2-3    1-4
2009    3-7    3-3    Third (tie)    2-3    1-4
2010    3-7    3-3    Fourth    2-3    1-4
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 03, 2011, 12:33:53 AM
sac, I knew that.  Since the current series with IWU only goes back 3 years (when they suddenly WEREN'T top dogs), it is especially mystifying.  (The two years just before they started the IWU series especially stick in my mind, when they lost ALL their non-con games, then went 13-1 in MIAA.)

Since I'm running the MIAA football pickems, and keep getting clobbered by over-picking Hope, please either start getting destroyed by IWU or else beating up on MIAA opponents!  You're confusing me! :o ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 03, 2011, 07:50:22 AM
I'm excited to see how Hope does this year. My prediction to the final standings right now would be:

1. Trine
2. Albion
3. Adrian
4. Alma
5. Hope
6. Kalamazoo
7. Olivet

I could see my 3,4, and 5 in any order, but I think that one makes the most sense....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 04, 2011, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 03, 2011, 12:33:53 AM
sac, I knew that.  Since the current series with IWU only goes back 3 years (when they suddenly WEREN'T top dogs), it is especially mystifying.  (The two years just before they started the IWU series especially stick in my mind, when they lost ALL their non-con games, then went 13-1 in MIAA.)

Since I'm running the MIAA football pickems, and keep getting clobbered by over-picking Hope, please either start getting destroyed by IWU or else beating up on MIAA opponents!  You're confusing me! :o ;D

Looking forward to your pickems this fall! Thanks for taking the time for all those MIAA posters and contributors.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 04, 2011, 02:34:41 PM
Formerd3db,

Congrats on your +500k and your many great posts! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 04, 2011, 04:55:19 PM
Thanks for the kind comments, Raider68.  Your own posts are much appreciated, not only for your discussions regarding our MIAA, but you keeping us "in the loop" with regard to the OAC and Mount Union!

BTW, perhaps there might be a possibility of a Hope/Mount Union women's bb playoff game? ???  I have not perused the brackets for that, so I am not sure what the possibility would be, shoud both keep winning.  Hope's women's team has been playing well again and could be on track for its third NCAA Div. III National Championship title, although, that feat will be very hard IMO.  It is always tough and takes a "little luck" sometimes I believe! ;)  Anyway, we'll see what happens.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 04, 2011, 04:58:01 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Congrats on your going over the 400 mark for +k!  Thanks for you contributions here on our board - even though you are one of those IWU guys! ;D  I do, however, know what you mean about the IWU/Hope aspect you've been discussing.  For sure, that is a difficult one to figure out - I admit that I don't have any answers for that. ::) ;D ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 04, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
Albion will be announcing a $1million+ expansion the the Dow Center, Football Field, and Race.
Artifical Turf to replace the grass, and an upgraded track as well as other upgrades.
This will allow practices, and spring sports to be played on the field as well as host local sporting events as a destination for Summer camps etc...

Good idea in my mind, good for sports, good for recognition to bring more HS and potential students, as well as students athletes to Albion for events.  There should be a formal annoucement and greater details coming this weekend.

Funny great minds think alike ;D, we have discussed numerous times that this would be a positive and that Alumni monies and bonds should be utilized to make the upgrades in the MIAA to keep them competitive.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 05, 2011, 08:34:10 AM
Quote from: D306 on March 04, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
Albion will be announcing a $1million+ expansion the the Dow Center, Football Field, and Race.
Artifical Turf to replace the grass, and an upgraded track as well as other upgrades.
This will allow practices, and spring sports to be played on the field as well as host local sporting events as a destination for Summer camps etc...

Good idea in my mind, good for sports, good for recognition to bring more HS and potential students, as well as students athletes to Albion for events.  There should be a formal annoucement and greater details coming this weekend.

Funny great minds think alike ;D, we have discussed numerous times that this would be a positive and that Alumni monies and bonds should be utilized to make the upgrades in the MIAA to keep them competitive.

That is great news for Albion! Good to see eveyone coming together for the school! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 05, 2011, 09:00:51 AM
D306:

Indeed, that is great news.  Thanks for the info.  As you said, we've had these discussions about upgrades for MIAA football facilities and now with Kazoo and Albion having announced their new plans, they were two of the three of our schools who needed to do that.  This now only leaves Hope as the "Lone Ranger" holdout - and they really need to do something - it is not a good situation IMO as I've talked about many times.  I realize that there are a number of our colleagues here who are still "grass purists" (and that is okay ;D).  However, as you mentioned, in today's era, and with the tremendously improved new style turfs, it makes sense and really is the best route to go for small colleges and universities (heck, same for DI I guess).  Particularly for Albion, since they are also adding lacrosse for men and women next year (actually, they've had a club lacrosse team for several years until the last 2 years), the new style turf is the right choice.  Plus, then we don't also have to contend with the torn up turf in the middle of the football season when we play there, unlike what we'll still have to see back at Hope's Holland stadium.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see the photos as construction continues.  I assume they will retain the character of the current surroundings, keeping the old athletic concrete fence from the pre-1920's days - but...they need to replace that darn press box with a new, larger expanded one (and...a covered roof on the top deck for the film crews! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 05, 2011, 10:32:56 PM
I heard a rumor when we were talking to our turf company about the maroon turf that Albion had contacted them about a purple turf (the third of that color to be installed by this company) and this announcement of the renovations makes the rumor seem even more true

This rumor was one of the reasons our coaches wanted the "sea of maroon" so badly. U can need be behind longtime rival Albion in the recruiting field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 06, 2011, 07:38:09 AM
sflzman

Looks to be Purple Endzones on the Artists concept drawings

I would not want a 100% purple field, football fields should be green, endzone can be a teams main color ( IMHP )

http://www.albion.edu/sports/football-field-upgrade
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 06, 2011, 07:48:11 AM
Ok. I see. It looks very nice and similar to the designs for alma which I saw this past week. I will try to get an image version to link, but I don't know when I will be able to..:

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 06, 2011, 08:54:23 AM
D306 and sflzman:

I would agree that color endzones are preferrable to the entire field being of a color.  I guess I'm a "traditionalist" and prefer, like you do, that the actual field remain green.

Also, in the article on the Albion website that you linked for us, there is nothing mentioned about any renovations to the press box.  IMO, I think they are making a mistake if they do not upgrade that as well.  It is antiquated, the last "renovations"- actually construction - was when Sprankle-Sprandle was rebuilt in 1976.  The press box needs new windows, needs to be enlarged (certainly there is plenty of room for the latter) and, as I've "pontificated" before, the need for a covered roof of some sort on the very top is long overdue to protect the film crews and/or coaches who are up there from the weather - the wind is dangerous without question, the protective railing pitiful and when wind/rain/sleet/snow occur it is downright nasty up there (believe me, I've experienced it  ;D).  I would hope the Albion administration would add these aspects to the new plan, however, from what has been put forth of the plan to date, it doesn't look like that will happen.

I am glad, however, that they are keeping the name of the field in honor of the late Morley Fraser - that should never change.


One last question: sflzman, I should remember this, however, I don't recall (...old age ;D ::) :P) - is the new turf at Alma being installed this summer and ready for this fall 2011 season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 06, 2011, 09:44:37 PM
Yes the turf will be installed for the upcoming 2011-2012 sports season for football and lacrosse. Soccer, though, will stay off campus...

There are also plans for a complete softball stadium to be built for next season, along with a building with locker rooms for soccer and a clubhouse for baseball at their off campus site.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 07, 2011, 04:22:18 PM
D306,

Nice link of the new Stadium turf at Albion, if they go with that. The end zones look good in Purple! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 08, 2011, 03:57:18 PM
So with Albion, Alma, and Kzoo's renovations and re-surfacings everyone but Hope will have good fields, correct?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 09, 2011, 09:33:31 AM
New AD for Albion

Former Oregon State staff associate, is incoming AD for Albion

http://www.albion.edu/sports/athletic-director-announcement

Nice hire
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 11, 2011, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 08, 2011, 03:57:18 PM
So with Albion, Alma, and Kzoo's renovations and re-surfacings everyone but Hope will have good fields, correct?

From what Formerd3db says, it could be awhile for Hope to have an updgrade since they do not own the stadium! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 11, 2011, 02:56:14 PM
sflzman and Raider68:

You are both correct. ;) :( ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 11, 2011, 03:43:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 11, 2011, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 08, 2011, 03:57:18 PM
So with Albion, Alma, and Kzoo's renovations and re-surfacings everyone but Hope will have good fields, correct?

From what Formerd3db says, it could be awhile for Hope to have an updgrade since they do not own the stadium! :-\

It amazes me that Hope doesn't just build their own stadium. I'm sure there is some contract for Hope using the Holland Municiple Stadium, does anyone know when it expires?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 11, 2011, 06:21:20 PM
Why does it amaze you?  Hope and Holland have always had a long standing close relationship for facilities use.  Holland Municipal Stadium is basically on the the campus directly adjacent to all of Hope's other outdoor athletic fields.

Unless they stick one in front of DeVos Fieldhouse (which I posted about a few pages ago), it would be really hard to find enough open space as close or closer to campus to build one on their own.

In my mind they have 3 options

1) Build in front of DeVos, which I believe they could easily do and wouldn't detract from the look of the area at all imo.  Probably not cheap.

2) Buy municipal stadium from the city, there is nothing functionally wrong with the stadium other than needing new locker rooms and a sketchy overused field.  It would be hard for most people to guess how old it is if they've never seen it.

3) Continue to play at Municipal Stadium and hope the city comes through with the necessary upgrades in field and locker rooms.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2011, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: sac on March 11, 2011, 06:21:20 PM
Why does it amaze you?  Hope and Holland have always had a long standing close relationship for facilities use.  Holland Municipal Stadium is basically on the the campus directly adjacent to all of Hope's other outdoor athletic fields.

Unless they stick one in front of DeVos Fieldhouse (which I posted about a few pages ago), it would be really hard to find enough open space as close or closer to campus to build one on their own.

In my mind they have 3 options

1) Build in front of DeVos, which I believe they could easily do and wouldn't detract from the look of the area at all imo.  Probably not cheap.

2) Buy municipal stadium from the city, there is nothing functionally wrong with the stadium other than needing new locker rooms and a sketchy overused field.  It would be hard for most people to guess how old it is if they've never seen it.

3) Continue to play at Municipal Stadium and hope the city comes through with the necessary upgrades in field and locker rooms.

#1 seems improbable to me - two football stadia essentially side-by-side?

Combining 2 and 3, how about Hope funding the improvements in return for a partial ownership stake?  Anyone have insight on the feasibility of this?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 11, 2011, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: sac on March 11, 2011, 06:21:20 PM
Why does it amaze you?  Hope and Holland have always had a long standing close relationship for facilities use.  Holland Municipal Stadium is basically on the the campus directly adjacent to all of Hope's other outdoor athletic fields.

Unless they stick one in front of DeVos Fieldhouse (which I posted about a few pages ago), it would be really hard to find enough open space as close or closer to campus to build one on their own.

In my mind they have 3 options

1) Build in front of DeVos, which I believe they could easily do and wouldn't detract from the look of the area at all imo.  Probably not cheap.

2) Buy municipal stadium from the city, there is nothing functionally wrong with the stadium other than needing new locker rooms and a sketchy overused field.  It would be hard for most people to guess how old it is if they've never seen it.

3) Continue to play at Municipal Stadium and hope the city comes through with the necessary upgrades in field and locker rooms.

I also don't necessarily know the history of Hope and the city of Holland that well, but as I see it, there's a big difference of playing on a poorly conditioned field, that is not yours, then playing on a field that you own, and is up to you top take care of. Knowing how Hope's facilities are, you know that their own football field could be top-notch in the nation if it is anything like their other facilities.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 12, 2011, 09:56:31 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2011, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: sac on March 11, 2011, 06:21:20 PM
Why does it amaze you?  Hope and Holland have always had a long standing close relationship for facilities use.  Holland Municipal Stadium is basically on the the campus directly adjacent to all of Hope's other outdoor athletic fields.

Unless they stick one in front of DeVos Fieldhouse (which I posted about a few pages ago), it would be really hard to find enough open space as close or closer to campus to build one on their own.

In my mind they have 3 options

1) Build in front of DeVos, which I believe they could easily do and wouldn't detract from the look of the area at all imo.  Probably not cheap.

2) Buy municipal stadium from the city, there is nothing functionally wrong with the stadium other than needing new locker rooms and a sketchy overused field.  It would be hard for most people to guess how old it is if they've never seen it.

3) Continue to play at Municipal Stadium and hope the city comes through with the necessary upgrades in field and locker rooms.

#1 seems improbable to me - two football stadia essentially side-by-side?

Combining 2 and 3, how about Hope funding the improvements in return for a partial ownership stake?  Anyone have insight on the feasibility of this?

Mr. Ypsi,

Your idea of 2 and 3 is a good one! Now you should talk with formerd3db and he can go to the Board of Hope and the City of Holland! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 12, 2011, 02:11:41 PM
Thanks for all the discussion and suggested ideas you guys.  What sac has outlined is the history.  sflzman probably inadvertenly missed some of our discussion on this several pages ago as well as my own "Dissertation Part I ;D" on the history of the stadium issue, which I have followed for a very long time (actually since my own playing days there).  Indeed, as sac has mentioned, the City of Holland and Hope College have had a tremendous relationship for decades, and probably the best of all the MIAA schools and cities I would dare say (no disrespect intended towards any of our other MIAA schools/cities).  I think that has been borne out by the fact that the community attendance at Hope sporting events, obviously especially in basketball, football, volleyball, soccer and even baseball (and you will see this with lacrosse and hockey - it has already been happening with those) outdraws the support by other MIAA communities.

So here is "Dissertation Part II or The Re-cap :)). Hope has played in a city owned stadium since the 1930's when old Riverview Stadium was built for the county fair as I understand it.  Prior to then, Hope played on campus, actually the field is where the modern DeWitt Student Center and Administration Building now stands, in front of the historic Pine Grove in central campus and next to the old now torn down Carnegie-Schouten Gymasium (which incidentally, was the first time ever that multi-millionare philanthropist and businessman Carnegie gave money to colleges or cities for anything other than libraries - he was a friend of the Hope College President Phellps...but I digress! ;D).  Anyway, the problem has always been the field because of the multi-sport use by the college and the high school. Which was why the new stadium was built in the first place back in 1979, but still has the same problem since they never put in the synthetic turf as we've previously discussed.  And...as sac said, the stadium is still modern looking with the neat "bowl shaped" type setting with students sitting on the "u"hill portion at the south endzone of the stadium, however, I will say that some of the new designed stadiums are better i.e. Trine, Adrian, Case Western, etc. etc..

So, the options are as have been nicely outlined by you guys previously:

1) With all due respect to sac (who is as knowledgable and and probably much more so than I about Hope), I seriously doubt that a stadium would be built in front of DeVos. I have to disagree with sac a bit here, as IMO, it would take away from the asthetics of this new area of entrance to the campus.  From what I understand, the grand plan was to have that as the "GateWay to the Campus" and I believe there are/were? even plans for a huge iron arch with the words "Hope College" to be set on brick columns to match that from the one on campus from th early 1900's class and also to match the wrought iron fencing and brick pillars now aligning Fairbanks Street along the athletic complexes. Plus, the stadium would take away from the asthetics of Devos, IMO and I also do not feel there really would be enough room for it there.  They want the "open green area".

2) So that leaves the other two options.  As always, the issue is $.  Hope could buy it, however, as I understand it, the City has concerns about loss of control and renvenues i.e. concessions and even rent.  sac can help us out with this here, but I believe that was exactly the issue as to why Holland Christian High School left DeVos and built their own basketball arean as they though Hope was charging to high of rent.  Holland Christian has enough $ themselves as they built their own football stadium with the new style turf as well.

It makes sense for Hope to buy the stadium as it is indeed right in the middle of all their other athletic facilities.  There have even been discussios on "land swaps".  Of course, as has been said, the stadum needs a new football building at the open end, the Press box could be upgraded and a new scoreboard and some improvement on the railings for safety.  With many of the other high schools in the immediate area and region that now have the new turf, it is my opinion that Holland and Hope are going to have to "pony up" for this new turf eventually, or they are going to be running far behind in that regard.  Also, the current football practice fields are very unsafe in that this past year, they were reduced to basic dirt and sand as the grass had some kind of fungus and it all died.

The other problem (er, challenge ::) as I previousl mentioned (I think ::) :P :P ;)) is that if they decide to add turf, it would be best to do all the fields and the stadium at once since it cost a ton of $ to bring that equipment in and it would be rather "not very smar" ;D to do it twice inctead of once.  IMO, that would be a huge waste of $.  Also, by not doing the new turf regardless of who owns the stadium, as we've all discussed, it is very dangerous in the middle of the season in football.  Last year i.e. in 2009, we had a higher number of injuries due to the fild at that one game mid season as it was a "mine field"as I menioned, although not quite as bad this past season in 2010.  However, I will tell you that the coaching staff is very concerned about the practice fields.  I doubt that any attmepts at trying to cure that will be helpful - if it idoes work, it will only be temporary - unless they bring in that Jerry guy , you know the "Master Gardner" as seen on TV who had that "Garden Weasel" thing you could buy that was supposed to save your garden and grass? ;D :P ::) 8-) ;) :) :D  Maybe he could help!  LOL  So there you have it, friends - the "state of Holland stadium and Hope College! ;)  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 14, 2011, 06:42:34 AM
formerd3db,

Great post! +k  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 14, 2011, 05:13:34 PM
Thanks Raider68, you are very kind.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 15, 2011, 01:34:11 PM
Any news from Olivet, no mention of them on anything? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 16, 2011, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 15, 2011, 01:34:11 PM
Any news from Olivet, no mention of them on anything? :-\

I haven't heard any news out of Olivet camp so far.....

And OC_SID has been MIA the last month or so....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 20, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
And, silence..............
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 20, 2011, 01:36:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 20, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
And, silence..............

It seems that all the boards are quiet! Maybe it is March Madness, or spring clean-up. No talk of Spring drills upcoming either! ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 20, 2011, 07:13:14 PM
Sad news for fans of the great NFL archives

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/NFL-Films-President-Steve-Sabol-diagnosed-with-b?urn=nfl-wp385
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 20, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 20, 2011, 01:36:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 20, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
And, silence..............

It seems that all the boards are quiet! Maybe it is March Madness, or spring clean-up. No talk of Spring drills upcoming either! ???

Yes indeed some great march madness games, though my bracket always seems to he on the wrong side of the thrillers. Needed a Washington win today and a k state win last night....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 22, 2011, 01:41:36 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 20, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 20, 2011, 01:36:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 20, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
And, silence..............

It seems that all the boards are quiet! Maybe it is March Madness, or spring clean-up. No talk of Spring drills upcoming either! ???

Yes indeed some great march madness games, though my bracket always seems to he on the wrong side of the thrillers. Needed a Washington win today and a k state win last night....

U of M gave Duke all they could handle! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 22, 2011, 03:56:48 PM
I hate Michigan, but I was yelling at my TV when Morris missed the shot and Novak was WIDE OPEN for 3 at the top.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 22, 2011, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 22, 2011, 03:56:48 PM
I hate Michigan, but I was yelling at my TV when Morris missed the shot and Novak was WIDE OPEN for 3 at the top.....

sflzman,

Although I am a strong Buckeye supporter, have ties to OSU, I always hope the Big 10 does well against the other conferences. Not a real Wisconsin fan either, but hope they come out on top vs. Butler.  :)

Maybe the some warmer weather will bring out the posters! Spring drills, the footballs should be out everywhere. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 22, 2011, 10:32:40 PM
Raider68:

With your "warmer weather" comment, I am totally blaming you for the 5 inches that's droped on us today.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 22, 2011, 10:35:31 PM
And also, I am with u on the cheering for big ten teams, but I draw the line at Wisconsin. I hate Wisconsin with passion. Michigan I can root for. Iowa I can want to win. Wisconsin I can't stand. They just rub me the wrong way. Everything about badgers...but I'm not getting into this whole Wisconsin thing again.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 23, 2011, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 22, 2011, 10:35:31 PM
And also, I am with u on the cheering for big ten teams, but I draw the line at Wisconsin. I hate Wisconsin with passion. Michigan I can root for. Iowa I can want to win. Wisconsin I can't stand. They just rub me the wrong way. Everything about badgers...but I'm not getting into this whole Wisconsin thing again.... ;D ;D ;D

sflzman,

Any news from  Alma spring drills? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 23, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 23, 2011, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 22, 2011, 10:35:31 PM
And also, I am with u on the cheering for big ten teams, but I draw the line at Wisconsin. I hate Wisconsin with passion. Michigan I can root for. Iowa I can want to win. Wisconsin I can't stand. They just rub me the wrong way. Everything about badgers...but I'm not getting into this whole Wisconsin thing again.... ;D ;D ;D

sflzman,

Any news from  Alma spring drills? :-\

Well, in Alma, we've only had like 5 days without snow on the ground, and the team hasn't begun any spring workouts to my knowledge...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 24, 2011, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 23, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 23, 2011, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 22, 2011, 10:35:31 PM
And also, I am with u on the cheering for big ten teams, but I draw the line at Wisconsin. I hate Wisconsin with passion. Michigan I can root for. Iowa I can want to win. Wisconsin I can't stand. They just rub me the wrong way. Everything about badgers...but I'm not getting into this whole Wisconsin thing again.... ;D ;D ;D

sflzman,

Any news from  Alma spring drills? :-\

Well, in Alma, we've only had like 5 days without snow on the ground, and the team hasn't begun any spring workouts to my knowledge...

We all need some warmer temperatures! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 24, 2011, 07:32:54 PM
This last snow has thrown all of Spring in general out of whack....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 25, 2011, 08:06:54 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 24, 2011, 07:32:54 PM
This last snow has thrown all of Spring in general out of whack....

Winter's attempt to stay around does not help the new field construction timing for a few MIAA schools! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 25, 2011, 08:58:02 AM
Between Kzoo's and Albion's full renovations and Alma's turf and video board the (along with Trine's renovations last season) the MIAA football stadiums are going to be pretty shiny new....

Not to mention the football stadiums at Adrian and Olivet that are very nice....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on March 25, 2011, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 25, 2011, 08:58:02 AM
Between Kzoo's and Albion's full renovations and Alma's turf and video board the (along with Trine's renovations last season) the MIAA football stadiums are going to be pretty shiny new....

Not to mention the football stadiums at Adrian and Olivet that are very nice....

I agree! I believe that all 10 of Olivet's regular season football games in 2011 will be played on artificial surface! That might be even a bigger surprise to some when they see that only four of the 10 games will be played on the home turf.

Quote from: Raider 68 on March 25, 2011, 08:06:54 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 24, 2011, 07:32:54 PM
This last snow has thrown all of Spring in general out of whack....

Winter's attempt to stay around does not help the new field construction timing for a few MIAA schools! :-\

I don't think this latest bit of winter has any affect. I believe that Albion and Kalamazoo weren't going to start their work until after school is done in May.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 25, 2011, 02:18:21 PM
Alma plays 8/9 on turf this season. The only one that is on grass is the one at Rockford....that field is terrible and can get to be quite the mudbath. Good thing we play there week 2.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 26, 2011, 08:33:53 AM
sflzman.

Hearing that warmer temps are on the way. Maybe in time for spring drills!
Maybe not! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 27, 2011, 10:26:30 PM
Word is that Olivet plays IIAC foe Cornell College on September 3, 2011. 

Any other MIAA non-conference schedules out?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 27, 2011, 11:09:24 PM
If u go to page 345 they are on there. It isba for sure that alma does not play Hanover. They as of now only have 9 games. Having trouble finding NCAA teams that have openings (north central did but our coaches didn't want to play them) and D2 teams won't come here and NAIA schools won't play us...maybe this tells coach leister that throwing fades when you're up by 40 in the 4th isn't a good thing. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2011, 01:12:09 AM
Hobart is looking -- they have only eight games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 28, 2011, 08:59:59 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on March 27, 2011, 10:26:30 PM
Word is that Olivet plays IIAC foe Cornell College on September 3, 2011. 

Any other MIAA non-conference schedules out?

Found it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 28, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
sflzman:

I can understand why some DII schools would not want to come to Alma.  However, what about some of those such as Walsh, Ohio Dominican, Tiffin, Urbana, or even St. Joseph, IN, etc.? (I realize some of those are in the GLIAC).  On the other hand, I assume most of the regional NAIA and DII schools have no openings on their schedules by now anyway.  Yet, as it would be just for a year, I can't imagine that some NAIA school like Taylor or Marion or some of those independent DII schools wouldn't play Alma.

And what about the new programs i.e. Sienna Heights and Concordia-Ann Arbor or even Notre Dame College in OH?  Those would be some logical choices unless, again, their schedules are already full.  As Pat suggested, an option might have to be someone like Hobart and although that is a long way to travel for a game (more than going to Marietta for example as Alma did in the mid-1990's one year, it is not as long as going to Drake and West Georgia like they did either.  Other options might be some of the NAIA schools in KY or Tenn.

Otherwise, Alma might be reduced to playing Grand Rapids Community College for a game like they did a couple of times in the 1980's and previous - and those counted as "official" games for them.  Nonetheless, I hope Alma can get the slot filled.  It might help Hobart as well, although the latter would still need to fill their final slot.

Keep us posted.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 28, 2011, 02:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2011, 01:12:09 AM
Hobart is looking -- they have only eight games.

Yeah, I saw that when I was looking too, but talking to the coaches they only want to play regional teams.....I think it's hard to be picky when you're missing a game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 28, 2011, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 28, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
sflzman:

I can understand why some DII schools would not want to come to Alma.  However, what about some of those such as Walsh, Ohio Dominican, Tiffin, Urbana, or even St. Joseph, IN, etc.? (I realize some of those are in the GLIAC).  On the other hand, I assume most of the regional NAIA and DII schools have no openings on their schedules by now anyway.  Yet, as it would be just for a year, I can't imagine that some NAIA school like Taylor or Marion or some of those independent DII schools wouldn't play Alma.

And what about the new programs i.e. Sienna Heights and Concordia-Ann Arbor or even Notre Dame College in OH?  Those would be some logical choices unless, again, their schedules are already full.  As Pat suggested, an option might have to be someone like Hobart and although that is a long way to travel for a game (more than going to Marietta for example as Alma did in the mid-1990's one year, it is not as long as going to Drake and West Georgia like they did either.  Other options might be some of the NAIA schools in KY or Tenn.

Otherwise, Alma might be reduced to playing Grand Rapids Community College for a game like they did a couple of times in the 1980's and previous - and those counted as "official" games for them.  Nonetheless, I hope Alma can get the slot filled.  It might help Hobart as well, although the latter would still need to fill their final slot.

Keep us posted.  

I wouldn't want to be playing GRCC!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 28, 2011, 09:44:10 PM
sflzman:
I agree.  I hope they find an opponent and am confident they will, however, as you say, they may not have much of a choice.

DBQ1965:
And why is that? ??? ::) ;D  Do you think they'd beat Alma?? ::) :o  Just kidding you Alma guys!! ;D ;)  Anyway, while GRCC is not a push-over team, nonetheless, I agree that it is best if Alma (and other DIII) teams stick with playing the 4 year institutions of its own division or DII or an NAIA school (and/or that occastional D-IAA, uh, I mean FCS schools of the ones they could potentially compete with).

Anyway, sflzman will have to keep us posted on what Alma ends up doing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 29, 2011, 11:28:42 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 28, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
sflzman:

I can understand why some DII schools would not want to come to Alma.  However, what about some of those such as Walsh, Ohio Dominican, Tiffin, Urbana, or even St. Joseph, IN, etc.? (I realize some of those are in the GLIAC).  On the other hand, I assume most of the regional NAIA and DII schools have no openings on their schedules by now anyway.  Yet, as it would be just for a year, I can't imagine that some NAIA school like Taylor or Marion or some of those independent DII schools wouldn't play Alma.

And what about the new programs i.e. Sienna Heights and Concordia-Ann Arbor or even Notre Dame College in OH?  Those would be some logical choices unless, again, their schedules are already full.  As Pat suggested, an option might have to be someone like Hobart and although that is a long way to travel for a game (more than going to Marietta for example as Alma did in the mid-1990's one year, it is not as long as going to Drake and West Georgia like they did either.  Other options might be some of the NAIA schools in KY or Tenn.

Otherwise, Alma might be reduced to playing Grand Rapids Community College for a game like they did a couple of times in the 1980's and previous - and those counted as "official" games for them.  Nonetheless, I hope Alma can get the slot filled.  It might help Hobart as well, although the latter would still need to fill their final slot.

Keep us posted. 

Well the one that sticks out for me as a team to play would be Siena Heights, but they won't play us from their coacher's Adrian days......

I heard that Concordia-Ann Arbor won't play us either, only our JV team. And had not heard anything regarding Notre Dame, but know they have 11 games scheduled.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 29, 2011, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 28, 2011, 09:44:10 PM
sflzman:

DBQ1965:
And why is that? ??? ::) ;D  Do you think they'd beat Alma?? ::)


I don't have a dog in this fight, but Tony Annese left Muskegon High School to take over an already good GRCC program and make it even better with a wide open offense and swarming defense.  I don't think they could beat Trine these days ... but it would be interesting to see how the Raiders held up against some other MIAA teams (which shall remain nameless). :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 29, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
Albion and GRCC have held a SCRIMMAGE every year for several years in a row.

Very competitive and well played controlled scrimmage prior to the season.

GRCC is typcally fast, and has large Linemen.

GRCC would have some very competitive games with any of the MIAA teams.

There are D1/DII caliper players that are in the school, working on becoming Acaadeically Eligiable to play, or get a little size.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on March 29, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
not sure why a D2/D3/NAIA team would NOT want to play Alma.  They are a mid to lower level team in one of the lesser d3 conferences.  Seems like it would be a nice non conf game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 29, 2011, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: lakeshore on March 29, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
not sure why a D2/D3/NAIA team would NOT want to play Alma.  They are a mid to lower level team in one of the lesser d3 conferences.  Seems like it would be a nice non conf game.

lakeshore,

Agree,

Many of those schools worry way too much about perception, especially if they happen to lose to a conference D3 team! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 29, 2011, 10:12:49 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 29, 2011, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: lakeshore on March 29, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
not sure why a D2/D3/NAIA team would NOT want to play Alma.  They are a mid to lower level team in one of the lesser d3 conferences.  Seems like it would be a nice non conf game.

lakeshore,

Agree,

Many of those schools worry way too much about perception, especially if they happen to lose to a conference D3 team! ::)

Yeah. We gave Kentucky Wesleyan a scare a probably should have won. Also only lost to Northwood in a SCRIMMAGE before the 2009 season by a TD, and 10 points the year before that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 30, 2011, 06:11:08 PM
formerd3db,

Maybe Hope can look at the new "proposed" stadium for Mary Hardin Baylor for ideas with the city! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 30, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 30, 2011, 06:11:08 PM
formerd3db,

Maybe Hope can look at the new "proposed" stadium for Mary Hardin Baylor for ideas with the city! :)

What the designers come up with and what the college can afford are two entirely different things.  Maybe MHB has some really wealthy alums.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 30, 2011, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on March 30, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 30, 2011, 06:11:08 PM
formerd3db,

Maybe Hope can look at the new "proposed" stadium for Mary Hardin Baylor for ideas with the city! :)

What the designers come up with and what the college can afford are two entirely different things.  Maybe MHB has some really wealthy alums.

U trying to tell me hope doesn't? LOL yeah right....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 31, 2011, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 30, 2011, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on March 30, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 30, 2011, 06:11:08 PM
formerd3db,

Maybe Hope can look at the new "proposed" stadium for Mary Hardin Baylor for ideas with the city! :)

What the designers come up with and what the college can afford are two entirely different things.  Maybe MHB has some really wealthy alums.

U trying to tell me hope doesn't? LOL yeah right....

DBQ1965, sflzman,

My guess is that UMHB has the alumni base for such a design give or take a million or so. Not sure if the surrounding buildings are part of it or not. A new turf field (only) will cost around $1 million alone. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 31, 2011, 02:31:50 PM
Raider68, sflzman and DBQ1965:

If UMHB has wealthy alumns, it can be done.  Recall that DeVos (who owns the NBA's Orlando Magic) gave Hope much of the $22 million that it cost to construct Hope's DeVos Arena, the NBA style, personalized seating bb and volleyball arena (complete with NBA type suspended electronic scoreboard from the mid ceiling) and that seats over 3,600.  Calvin's new arena seats about 4,000, although Hope has led NCAA Div III attendance the past several years.  Hope's womens bb team actually outdrew Michigan State's women's team for a game when they had over 3,000 for a game.

Anyway, I think UMHB's proposed stadium is awesome as is the reasoning and concept that they state on the article that Pat posted. My only question is...can they attract near 10,000 fans to fill the stadium?  Also, Raider you mention that the cost of synthetic turf is near $1 million.  Although costs have probably gone up in recent years, that might be a little high if one is only going to just put in a field to an already existing stadium (as opposed to having to renovate entirely one's stadium and/or build a new one like some of the DIII schools have had to do).  The cost of the turf is 1/3 less than the old style turf (the latter was about $800,000), although labor installation costs probably drive the final figures up towards the $1 milliion you mention.  Perhaps some of our DIII colleagues here who know more about the costs (and/or have been involved in turf projects for their own schools) might be able to share/enlighten us a little more on this.  Nonethelss, it is neat to see such a project as UMMHB's come about - I hope it goes to fruition.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2011, 04:22:16 PM
I do think it's unrealistic for that stadium to be 10,000 for Division III purposes. However, perhaps they have designs on hosting some Texas high school playoff games, which would require that kind of seating and would be good exposure for the schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 31, 2011, 06:09:30 PM
Quote from: D306 on March 29, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
Albion and GRCC have held a SCRIMMAGE every year for several years in a row.

Very competitive and well played controlled scrimmage prior to the season.

GRCC is typcally fast, and has large Linemen.

GRCC would have some very competitive games with any of the MIAA teams.

There are D1/DII caliper players that are in the school, working on becoming Acaadeically Eligiable to play, or get a little size.


ie GRCC

Here's an article that talks a little about GRCC's recruiting
http://thecollegiatelive.com/sports/signing-day-or-not-recruiting-is-in-full-effect-at-grcc/

Just a couple excerpts....emphasis mine

Both out of Mainland High School's 2010 class Davis and Hamm signed National Letters of Intent to four-year universities. Hamm signed a National Letter of Intent to Florida A&M. Davis along with three other players from their class including Ricardo Allen and OJ Ross who were both ranked in the top 50 on Rivals.com, signed to Purdue.


GRCC has received many players through transferring. Last season quarterback James Stallons transferred from University of Wisconsin and this January quarterback Cody Kater transferred to GRCC from University of Cincinnati.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 31, 2011, 07:38:56 PM
I agree with you Pat.  I was going to ask you if you knew anything more about their plans i.e. I assumed that most likely a stadium of that size would be made available by UMHB to high schools for big and/or regional playoff games similar to what is done in other states including yours and our state.  Also, as aueagle mentioned over on the other site, UMHB did have pretty good attendance for home games i.e. I'd say that the approx. 3500 is great for any DIII team and their "big game" draw against H-S of 7700+ is wonderful.  However, aside from St. Johns and perhaps a couple of others, the days of the big DIII stadiums and draws such as when Dayton used to get 9-10,000 per home game after moving to DIII and also the first few years of their D-IAA arfe pretty much gone (other than the Monon Bell, Cortland/Ithaca, etc. as some have previously discussed). 

Nonetheless, the stadium plan looks awesome and I'm sure will be of benefit to the entire school as they mentioned and certainly help them in recruiting for football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 31, 2011, 07:42:12 PM
sac:

Thanks for the info on GRCC.  Annese has been working on building that program even more (remember when he played at Central MI, then coached at Alma College, Montrose H.S., Ann Arbor Pioneer, then Jenison H.S., then Muskegon H.S. before going to GRCC).  Sounds like the transfers you mentioned need a little work on their grades in order for them to potentially attempt making it "back" to the DI level.  Ironically, both Hamm and Davis mentioned in the article that they were "here for business"...what they believe is the "right" business I can guarantee you is not what others consider it to be ;D and that is somewhat of a pity.  But...that's today's mind-set for some, even if it is a bit misguided in a sense. ::) ;)

Anyway, again, appreciate the info.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 31, 2011, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 31, 2011, 07:38:56 PM
I agree with you Pat.  I was going to ask you if you knew anything more about their plans i.e. I assumed that most likely a stadium of that size would be made available by UMHB to high schools for big and/or regional playoff games similar to what is done in other states including yours and our state.  Also, as aueagle mentioned over on the other site, UMHB did have pretty good attendance for home games i.e. I'd say that the approx. 3500 is great for any DIII team and their "big game" draw against H-S of 7700+ is wonderful.  However, aside from St. Johns and perhaps a couple of others, the days of the big DIII stadiums and draws such as when Dayton used to get 9-10,000 per home game after moving to DIII and also the first few years of their D-IAA arfe pretty much gone (other than the Monon Bell, Cortland/Ithaca, etc. as some have previously discussed). 

Nonetheless, the stadium plan looks awesome and I'm sure will be of benefit to the entire school as they mentioned and certainly help them in recruiting for football.

Formerd3db, Pat,

Your posts regarding the new proposed UMHB stadium with a capacity of 10,000 fans
Here are the atttendance figures for the last 10 years including playoffs:

2010- 3,533, 2009 - 3,024, 2008- 3,353, 2007- 2,412, 2006 - 2,586

2005- 3,704, 2004 - 2,983, 2003- 2,349, 2002- 2,197, 2001 - 2,475

Ten year average 2,862. While having their own new stadium may help, the history shows a new facility with less than half full. Maybe a 7,500- 8,000 might be more reasonable! and less costly! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 01, 2011, 08:45:20 AM
Raider68:

Your suggestion does seem more reasonable.  The only aspect I can think of is, again, that they are envisioning the use for other events by various organizations such as high school football games, perhaps soccer, etc.  On the other hand, my guess would be if they received/raised the $ for the current plan (which it appears they are confident in doing so or they wouldn't proceed with the project) that building the stadium to this larger plan will obviously be cheaper in the the longrun as opposed to having to add on later in building it in phases.  Still, I like the design as it gives it the "big time" atmosphere (I might be biased, however, since my father was an architect ;D - helped design the St. Louis Arch and the early preliminary plans for Thomas More's stadium). BTW, thanks for the stats on UMBH's attendence over the last 10 years - very informative and interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 01, 2011, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 01, 2011, 08:45:20 AM
Raider68:

Your suggestion does seem more reasonable.  The only aspect I can think of is, again, that they are envisioning the use for other events by various organizations such as high school football games, perhaps soccer, etc.  On the other hand, my guess would be if they received/raised the $ for the current plan (which it appears they are confident in doing so or they wouldn't proceed with the project) that building the stadium to this larger plan will obviously be cheaper in the the longrun as opposed to having to add on later in building it in phases.  Still, I like the design as it gives it the "big time" atmosphere (I might be biased, however, since my father was an architect ;D - helped design the St. Louis Arch and the early preliminary plans for Thomas More's stadium). BTW, thanks for the stats on UMBH's attendence over the last 10 years - very informative and interesting.

Formerd3bd,

UMHB officials may know about future utilization of the proposed new stadium, and they know the attendance figures as well. Other playoffs for HS games are a condideration.  The incremental costs for additional seating could be of little concern when they are starting from scatch to build it! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 01, 2011, 02:57:33 PM
You are probably right about that Raider68 (you have far more of a business mind than I do! ;D).

On re-visiting another subject i.e. that of open dates for Alma College, I checked out Concordia University-Ann Arbor's and Siena Heights Univesity's football websites.  I see where Concordia has an "open" date Oct 1st and their first game is not until Sept 10th.  Neither school has posted their full 2011 schedules (SH has nothing posted in the schedule section and Concordia's is obviously not filled yet as mentioned).  As both schools are aspiring to be the premier NAIA football program in this region, and promoting that quite heavily i.e. advertising that quite verbally on their websites, and as neither have full schedules yet, but have played and/or are playing college JV and club collegiate teams, I can't understand why they would not then want to schedule someone like Alma.  Concordia played Kalamazoo College in its pre-season scrimmage this past fall 2010 (the first year for Concordia).  I realize that it takes time to improve and implement the program as far as playing teams (heck, way back in my days at Hope, we beat Grand Valley State in scrimmages - wouldn't happen today though as we all know ;D ::)), nonetheless, if you want to get better/be the best as both of these schools are hyping (no disrespect to Coach Lyall or SH Head Coach), then there is no reason not to play some of the DIII schools, at least to start out with and then even later on, I see no harm in playing them in an occasional non-conference game if necessary.  On the other hand, perhaps there are other factors behing this, such as just no mutual dates open.  Anyway, just MO. ;)

BTW, I didn't realize that the University of Michigan-Flint had a club collegiate football team (and that is my original hometown among some other "ties" to that school ;D).  Marquette University (yes, that DI school) has a club collegiate football team with aspirations by those involved in enventually having that re-instated as the school as a varsity sport.  Interesting ??? peice of trivia I though you guys might like to know- if you didn't already. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 01, 2011, 07:35:11 PM
the reason told to me about Siena Heights is that their coach used to coach at adrian (right ???) and apparently we rubbed it in their face a little too much a couple years in a row and now the guy won't play us.

Here is concordia's schedule:

*    3        vs.    University of Saint Francis               
*    10        @    Trinity International University               
*    17        @    Quincy University               
*    24        vs.    University of Saint Francis               
October
*    1        vs.    Malone College               
   8        vs.    Robert Morris College               
*    15        @    Taylor University               
*    22        vs.    Marian College               
*    29        vs.    Saint Xavier University               
November
*    5        @    Walsh University               
   12        @    Iowa Wesleyan College
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 01, 2011, 11:51:18 PM
sflzman:

Well, that's kind of ridiculous.  I know Coach Lyall and he is a good guy.  However, regardless if that is the case, all the more reason he should want to play you guys and "come back to kick the crap out of Alma".  Regardless, it looks like their schedule is now full.  I do not doubt that Concordia-AA's schedule will be full this year, yet as I mentioned, this past fall in 2010 their inaguaral year, they played several JV college teams, club teams and Robert Morris (a D-IAA, uh, I mean an FCS non-scholarship team).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 02, 2011, 10:59:21 AM
I know what you mean. I agree with you, if I was a coach it'd only be more motivation for me to come back and run it up right back at them, especially considering we may be heading into another average year (defense will be good, but no running game, and the WR spot is not deep).

And yeah, I'm not saying that is a true reason, it's just what I was told. I can only "report" what I was told.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 04, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
Are night games in the MIAA very popular? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on April 04, 2011, 02:45:32 PM
Ran into several Hope alums while vacationing on Tybee Island this week.  We gave eachother grief about football games long past as well as AL central games (chi sox v tigers) yet to come

Good Times
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 04, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 04, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
Are night games in the MIAA very popular? :-\

Not sure about around the league, but here it is a WILL NOT as to whether or not we will add lights and play night games.

Quote from: Joe Wally on April 04, 2011, 02:45:32 PM
Ran into several Hope alums while vacationing on Tybee Island this week.  We gave eachother grief about football games long past as well as AL central games (chi sox v tigers) yet to come

Good Times

Go Twins!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 04, 2011, 06:16:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 04, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 04, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
Are night games in the MIAA very popular? :-\

Not sure about around the league, but here it is a WILL NOT as to whether or not we will add lights and play night games.

Quote from: Joe Wally on April 04, 2011, 02:45:32 PM
Ran into several Hope alums while vacationing on Tybee Island this week.  We gave eachother grief about football games long past as well as AL central games (chi sox v tigers) yet to come

Good Times

Go Twins!

Joe wally,

Nice helmet pic! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 04, 2011, 07:54:16 PM
Joe Wally:

That is always neat to run into alums from schools one played against.  For sure, it is too bad that Wabash and Hope don't renew their rivalry.  BTW, I agree with Raider68 - your helmet pic is nice and welcome to "The Helmet Club"! :)

Raider68 and sflzman:

Well, perhaps Alma, Kazoo don't (although I think Kazoo may be planning to put lights in), but Adrian, Olivet, Trine and Hope have lights for night games.  I think an occasional night game would be great.  When I played "many moons ago", we played a couple of night games, although one I remember for sure was at Wheaton College.  Also, Alma played a night game at Marietta College in the mid-90's.  Both were real neat experiences.

We've had some night games in lacrosse at Hope - in fact, the first two home games this season were night games. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 04, 2011, 08:41:20 PM
My take on night games:

In September, lots of fun.  In November, forget it! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 04, 2011, 11:10:17 PM
Those 30 degree Friday night lights are what it's al about! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on April 05, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
Go White Sox
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 05, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 04, 2011, 08:41:20 PM
My take on night games:

In September, lots of fun.  In November, forget it! :D

Mr. Ypsi,

Agree, but I strongly prefer traditional Saturday afternoons! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on April 05, 2011, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 05, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 04, 2011, 08:41:20 PM
My take on night games:

In September, lots of fun.  In November, forget it! :D

Mr. Ypsi,

Agree, but I strongly prefer traditional Saturday afternoons! ;D

I like early afternoon December games the best  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 05, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on April 05, 2011, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 05, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 04, 2011, 08:41:20 PM
My take on night games:

In September, lots of fun.  In November, forget it! :D

Mr. Ypsi,

Agree, but I strongly prefer traditional Saturday afternoons! ;D

I like early afternoon December games the best  ;)

02 Warhawk,

I was thinking the same too, but you beat me to it.! +k  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 05, 2011, 03:58:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 05, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on April 05, 2011, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 05, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 04, 2011, 08:41:20 PM
My take on night games:

In September, lots of fun.  In November, forget it! :D

Mr. Ypsi,

Agree, but I strongly prefer traditional Saturday afternoons! ;D

I like early afternoon December games the best  ;)

02 Warhawk,

I was thinking the same too, but you beat me to it.! +k  ;D ;D

And SOME day maybe fans of other schools will get to find out about it! :o ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on April 05, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
I may be talking out both sides of my mouth here.  While I strongly support the tradition of Saturday, and ONLY Saturday being college football's day, I do favor the concept of the ocassional Saturday evening matchup.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 05, 2011, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on April 05, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
I may be talking out both sides of my mouth here.  While I strongly support the tradition of Saturday, and ONLY Saturday being college football's day, I do favor the concept of the ocassional Saturday evening matchup.

No love for the thursday night games?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 05, 2011, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 05, 2011, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on April 05, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
I may be talking out both sides of my mouth here.  While I strongly support the tradition of Saturday, and ONLY Saturday being college football's day, I do favor the concept of the ocassional Saturday evening matchup.

No love for the thursday night games?

I wonder who at the NCAA ever thought of that idea? Sure they, along with the TV networks were looking for another way to make money. Just does not fit for D3 schools, IMHO!  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 05, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 05, 2011, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 05, 2011, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on April 05, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
I may be talking out both sides of my mouth here.  While I strongly support the tradition of Saturday, and ONLY Saturday being college football's day, I do favor the concept of the ocassional Saturday evening matchup.

No love for the thursday night games?

I wonder who at the NCAA ever thought of that idea? Sure they, along with the TV networks were looking for another way to make money. Just does not fit for D3 schools, IMHO!  ::)

The sad thing is, that that is what this buisness has turned out to be driven by 100%....

Trine I beleive, has opened the last two seasons with Thursday night games. Last year's being the "Grand Opening" for the new athletics complex
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on April 05, 2011, 07:59:04 PM
No love whatsoever for thursday night games
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 05, 2011, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on April 05, 2011, 07:59:04 PM
No love whatsoever for thursday night games

Though they are at least better than Friday night games - what a way to pi$$ off the coaches of the guys you are trying to recruit! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 05, 2011, 09:17:06 PM
Even worse are those Tues night or Wednesday night games that the D-I Mid-America Conference has had the past couple of years.  What a way to really mess up a team's concentration and weekly program continuity.  The MAC has also had some opening Thursday night games, particularly Central Michigan in playing Boston College a couple of years ago (I forgot who they opened up with this past year without looking at their website).  Also, didn't Defiance College open up with a Thursday night game in the past year or two?

Bottom line is that I agree with you guys.  An occasional Saturday evening game under the lights for DIII is okay, but as for the other nights, forget it, IMO. :o ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 06, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
Boise state played a Monday night and a Tuesday night this past season of I remember correctly. I think the Monday night was against Hawaii but that could be totally wrong.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 06, 2011, 03:38:38 PM
Any news from the Trine camp, been pretty quiet for awhile? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on April 06, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
Hey everone - I haven't posted in a while.  I hope all well with all of you.

Regarding Trine's Thursday games - Trine has started each of the last 4 seasons with a game against Manchester College on the Thursday before Labor Day.  I believe the first game this year is again on a Thursday night but it will be played at Manchester.  I'm not sure what started this tradition or how long it's been going on.  The 2010 game was played "under the lights" at Trine, which was the first time we actually had lights to play under.  Prior to that Thursday games played at Trine were on Thursday late afternoon.

I'm not sure what is happening with Trine football this year because my son is no longer playing so I'm not getting any info from him.  I know they started spring ball this week and that's about it.  I haven't heard anything about recruits, returning players, etc..  I'd love to hear an update if anyone else still has Trine ties.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 08, 2011, 07:42:44 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on April 06, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
Hey everone - I haven't posted in a while.  I hope all well with all of you.

Regarding Trine's Thursday games - Trine has started each of the last 4 seasons with a game against Manchester College on the Thursday before Labor Day.  I believe the first game this year is again on a Thursday night but it will be played at Manchester.  I'm not sure what started this tradition or how long it's been going on.  The 2010 game was played "under the lights" at Trine, which was the first time we actually had lights to play under.  Prior to that Thursday games played at Trine were on Thursday late afternoon.

I'm not sure what is happening with Trine football this year because my son is no longer playing so I'm not getting any info from him.  I know they started spring ball this week and that's about it.  I haven't heard anything about recruits, returning players, etc..  I'd love to hear an update if anyone else still has Trine ties.   ;)

LetItRain,

The SID's in several schools do not seem to being sharing much on new recruits this spring! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 08, 2011, 07:45:44 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 08, 2011, 07:42:44 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on April 06, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
Hey everone - I haven't posted in a while.  I hope all well with all of you.

Regarding Trine's Thursday games - Trine has started each of the last 4 seasons with a game against Manchester College on the Thursday before Labor Day.  I believe the first game this year is again on a Thursday night but it will be played at Manchester.  I'm not sure what started this tradition or how long it's been going on.  The 2010 game was played "under the lights" at Trine, which was the first time we actually had lights to play under.  Prior to that Thursday games played at Trine were on Thursday late afternoon.

I'm not sure what is happening with Trine football this year because my son is no longer playing so I'm not getting any info from him.  I know they started spring ball this week and that's about it.  I haven't heard anything about recruits, returning players, etc..  I'd love to hear an update if anyone else still has Trine ties.   ;)

LetItRain,

The SID's in several schools do not seem to being sharing much on new recuits this spring! :-\

No kidding! It's been silent about spring ball!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 08, 2011, 11:24:06 AM
Working on Spring practice info, no direct contacts/players left on MIAA teams from past coaching days.  >:(  Time has gone quickly since leaving Michigan.

Question for the crew?

DIII former player, can they play D1 football in Grad School?
3 year varsity Starter, did not play in Varisty game Freshman year, injuries limited number of games Junior and Senior years.
Looking to appeal to NCAA and ask for clarification? Not sure what answer he will get.

My thought is he has a chance to be approved.

By the Way, good stuff from UofM Hockey playing for National Championship after shutting out the Number 1 Ranked team last night, in the Semi-Finals.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 08, 2011, 02:27:52 PM
D306:
We know you've moved from this state, however, are glad you've chosen to continue contributing/participating on our board.  Hope all is well with you and yours.

Regarding your inquiry as to eligibility of the player you mention: as far as I know from what you've presented, I see no reason why the NCAA would not grant/allow this.  Obviously, we know that any student-athlete is granted only 4 years eligibility in one sport, but can have eligibility in another sport thereafter as well.  There is also the rule that players have to make continued progress to their degress, yet, as I recall, that does not apply to someone, for example, who had an interruption in their educational process for whatever reasons if those are legit.  There have been several situations in recent years where older players have been granted the opportunity to complete their collegiate eligibility in a sport, particularly the examples in NCAA football, some of which have been showcased here on Pat's site and others we've talked about.  For example, one was that younger  ;D :o gentleman in his mid-50's (he was 56 years old I believe if I recall correctly) recently who played his final year down in Texas (at the LB position) at the DIII school (help, please, I forgot the school - it may have been McMurray) just a couple of years ago.  It was highlighted in the major newspapers and ESPN as well.  There was also the example of former Notre Dame/Michigan State QB Gus Ornstein a few years ago, who left MSU with one year of football eligibility remaining (he stated several games at MSU) to play professional baseball.  After a couple of years or so, he then returned to DIII Rowan where he was the starting QB for then head coach K.C. Keeler, (current head coach of his alma mater FCS University of Delaware) for that final year of his eligibility and took them to the Stagg Bowl (they lost that game as we all will recall).  Also, in the mid-1990's, there was a dentist here in Michigan who completed his final two years of football eligibility at DI Eastern Michgian when he was about 46 years old.  I can't remember exactly the details as to why his delay, however, I think it may have been due to his going into military service.  He had kept in shape, even when doing his dental practice and was a WR on the EMU team, even getting in a couple of games.  The players called him "Gramps" as I recall.  Also, there was the example of that 70 or 80 year old guy who played DIII basketball 3 years ago or so at a very small DIII basketball school out east.

I realize that your question was about how this may apply to DI, however, I don't think the division status matters. Rather that anyone has 4 total years of eligibilty in one sport and that if one has a disruption or discontinuance in their educational process for legit reasons, through the proper application process, the NCAA will allow them to complete that eligibility if they desie and a school (i.e. coaching staff) will have them.  I could be wrong, yet I believe that is the status.  If I am wrong, perhaps Pat and/or some of our other colleagues here can clarify and/or correct that for us.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 08, 2011, 07:02:14 PM
D3DB  +1 for you good detailed reply.

Spoke with a compliance officer / NCAA rep.

5 year rule may come into play.
You have 5 years to complete 4 years of NCAA play.
Athlete maybe able to appeal, with Medical time lost play.
Athlete is a current 1st year student in Grad school.
So Athlete has completed the 1 year wait period normally required.
Though he has lapsed 5 years since start of NCAA play, by the start of 2011 season.

Switching from DIII to D1 with no connection to Athletics in original matriculation. The change in University is normal Educational advancement. So this will not an illegal transfer for sports reasons,

Walk-on is possible, University would be required to file a formal review and petition for acceptance on Medical. Lower chance of success, 4 years in NCAA play, 5 year rules are the question marks, formal review would check for options.

If this proceeds I will update the site for closure of question.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 09, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: D306 on April 08, 2011, 07:02:14 PM
D3DB  +1 for you good detailed reply.

Spoke with a compliance officer / NCAA rep.

5 year rule may come into play.
You have 5 years to complete 4 years of NCAA play.
Athlete maybe able to appeal, with Medical time lost play.
Athlete is a current 1st year student in Grad school.
So Athlete has completed the 1 year wait period normally required.
Though he has lapsed 5 years since start of NCAA play, by the start of 2011 season.

Switching from DIII to D1 with no connection to Athletics in original matriculation. The change in University is normal Educational advancement. So this will not an illegal transfer for sports reasons,

Walk-on is possible, University would be required to file a formal review and petition for acceptance on Medical. Lower chance of success, 4 years in NCAA play, 5 year rules are the question marks, formal review would check for options.

If this proceeds I will update the site for closure of question.

D306,

D3 to D1 should not matter. As mentioned the 4 years out of five is  rule is key here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 09, 2011, 11:54:05 PM
Thanks D306 and Raider68.  Please keep us posted on what eventually transpires.  Despite the "5 to complete 4" rule, I still think that the NCAA would grant someone older the opportunity to complete their eligibility if they came back several years later if there was some legit interruption in their education track. 

On another topic:
Since there is apparently no longer a lacrosse board, I'm posting this here.  As Hope lacrosse moves toward eventual "full varsity" status (it is "virtual varsity" right now similar to Univ. of Mich, Michigan State; and the other schools in the Central Collegiate Lacrosse Association), Hope's team remains undefeated after defeating Ferris State University 20-13 in a very intense game today at Hope's beautiful VanAndel Soccer/Lacrosse Stadium with its synthetic new style turf, personalized seating for many, etc..  A beautiful day for a game; only drawbacks were some injuries to a Ferris State player (possible internal surgery today, so please keep him in your prayers) and one of our Hope player's (foot) and, unfortunately, a very ugly bench clearin brawl in the last 48 seconds of the game, in which the officials called the game.  Otherwise, it was a gorgeous day for a game weatherwise with temps in the mid-'60's, sun and a very good crowd.  Based on what I've seen so far this year, this is Hope's best team ever, which is really good and could give some of the lower tier DIII lacrosse teams a very good game.  Hope's men's program has reached the next level in our climb and the turning point was two seasons ago with a win over this very toiugh Ferris State University program.  While we still have a way to go (with the likes of Grand Valley State, University  of Dayton and some others), still to see the state of the program at this point is extremely exciting and much credit of this success has to be given to Head Coach Mike Schanhals, himself a foremr Hope Lacrosse playe rand state championshiop h.s. head coach along with some great support from the College's administration and athletic directors. The season is still not over yet and some tough games coming up, however, so far, this is great.  We'll see what happens.  Sorry, didn't get any info on spring football practice today as was busy with the lacrosse aspects.  But...the nice weather is here and that is good not only for lacrosse, but for the baseball teams as well.  Talk to you guys later.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 10, 2011, 08:48:31 AM
Lax is growing quickly in Michigan and the midwest.
Many schools are starting "club" teams and numerous club team are becoming sanction. The state of Michigan has recognized Lacrosse as a an official HS sport with state championships not all that long ago.

University of Detroit has a growing Lax team and is officially playing D1 schedule, many Michigan based players, just had a HUGE win in NY.

University of Michigan which plays Club presently is moving to D1 within the next couple seasons. Playing a aggressive schedule with numerous national trips as a club team this year.

I think Lax is a good sport to bring in officially, becoming very popular, in Michigan good draw for more student athletes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 10, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
U of Detroit's coach is Michigan State's former head coach.  Michigan State's program used to be scholarship lacrosse program until the late-1990's.  It is club lacrosse now, like U of Michigan's and a great number of other Midwest schools ranging from DIII to DI.  However, I will say that many of these club collegiate teams are in essence "virtual varsity" i.e. basically almost varsity in reality already - the only aspect preventing them from being varsity programs is that a) the schools don't 100% fund the program and b) Title IX.  They compete under the Men's Collegiate Lacrosse Association, which follows NCAA eligibility and game rules.  Officials are regulated by an official organization, have to be certified and are paid for games.  Despite being "club status" and having to raise the majority of their funds, they still are overseen/governed by their respective schools.  Some of the schools do partially fund them in some aspects; and including making sure that medical coverage is provided in some way if college facilities are used.Both Michigan State and U of Michigan's programs play national schedules, fly to games and at U of Michigan, is actually termed "virtual varsity".  Their budget is $250,000+ per year and as I recall, the University provides them with about $25,000 of that, the rest of which they have to raise.  The Head Coach is paid, although since they are not "officially varsity", they get all the "crap times" for use of the practice fields, etc.  Nonetheless, in seeing them play, I will tell you that the level of lacrosse is nothing anywhere near "rinky dink".

Same goes for teams such as Hope's program.  While Trine and Adrian have official NCAA DIII programs (as do many of the Ohio DIII schools as most everyone knows) and those programs are extremely good, teams like Hope, Davenport, Grand Valley State, Ferris State, Western Michigan, etc. have raised the level of their programs and are also beyond club level in performance.  No longer are some of these school's team rosters filled with student-athletes who never played lacrosse before and/or "spill-overs" from other sports at the schools such as football players.  The DIII schools with virtual varisty club teams such as Hope are recruiting top-notch lacrosse players (again, those who can qualify for admission and/or recieve enough financial aid to where they can afford to attend such schools) and while I'm not saying they would consistenty beat established programs such as Trine or Adrian in our MIAA, they will be competitive.  Hope's team is very good, perhaps the best it has ever been and with the commitment of the College, this has helped tremendously.  The MIAA is scheduled to go to full varsity in the near future, with the rest of the schools adding lacrosse for both men and women (Olivet and Alma have committed) so it will be exciting to see that when it finally happens.  Cost will be much less thanb other sports, obviously, ugh despite the gas prices for travel! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 10, 2011, 04:37:53 PM
Albion also has varsity lacrosse
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 10, 2011, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 10, 2011, 04:37:53 PM
Albion also has varsity lacrosse

Opps, my bad. :-[  I did not mean to slight Albion, meant to include them with Trine and Adrian as they had added lacrosse last spring in 2010.  They all play in the Midwest Lacrosse League.  This is Albion's second year as a varsity program.  They used to play in the Central Collegiate Lacrosse Association (CCLA) with Adrian, Hope, Alma, Calvin in the second division.  The last season of their former program, Hope beat them before they dropped the program for a year.  They obviously have stepped up recruiting for the full NCAA program.  Many of the CCLA programs (DIII and some DII schools) would get pummled by Adrian, Albion and Trine currently, however, I think that this year's Hope team would be more than competitive with those teams.  Calvin's team has slipped the past two years, unfortunately; also while Ferris State has been an upper level club collegiate virtual varsity program as far as talent, Hope has "had their number" the past 3 seasons. Grand Valley State and Davenport are two others that would probably beat many of the of the DIII schools in the Midwest league (although, they are in reality DII NCAA and NAIA respectively as we all know). As I've commented to several people in the recent past, I think the turning point in Hope's lacrosse program came 3 seasons ago (2009) when Hope shocked a tough Ferris State program by beating them at a game in Holland.

The MIAA was supposed to have gone full varsity by this season, however, it was decided by the Presidents to hold off for at least another year due to economics.  Obviously, Albion thought otherwise; Trine had their program in  full swing before Adrian did, which brought in varisty hockey at the same time (IMO, Hope's hockey program as well as Calvin's should be DIII varsity already - in essence, again, they are virtual varsity will much assistance by their respective Colleges - but...that is another story for another time ;D)  The last I heard, the MIAA was tentatively scheduled to be sanctioned for varsity lacrosse for next year, however, I have heard rumors that might be again further delayed.  Nonetheless, if that turns out to be the case, those remaining MIAA schools who are planning on adding lacrosse as full varsity sports for both men and women I would assume would be joining the Midwest League (or at least playing those schools and others as an independent), however, obviously, when the MIAA does go full varisty for lacrosse, Adrian, Trine, Albion i.e. any of our MIAA schools in the Midwest league would be leaving that for our own.  I will keep you posted on what I hear further along regarding all this during this current season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 10, 2011, 06:49:22 PM
I have a personal interest in the LaX discussion, as my older son was captain of the first LaX team Ypsi High ever fielded (he was already a junior, and he and his freshman buddy were the ONLY players to have even so much as attended a camp, much less played a real game - needless to say, they stunk! :()

I admit, however, to a bit of a love/hate relationship with the sport.  In their first playoff game (EVERYONE in Michigan LaX makes the playoffs ;)), they played one of the few teams they had beaten.  David had scored 6 of Ypsi's 7 goals in that win.  In the first 30 seconds of the game, an opponent broke his stick against the side of David's knee. >:(  The opponent got a 2-minute penalty.  David is one helluva tough kid, and continued to play (and even got 2 assists), but never scored because his knee would buckle when he tried to brace for a shot.  The 'cheaters' won.

David (in his naive goodness of spirit) insists to this day that the kid was trying to knock the ball out of his stick - he was carrying the ball high, and the kid missed his stick by 2-3 feet! >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 10, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
formerd3db,

Great post! +K :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 10, 2011, 09:57:12 PM
Thank you Raider68.  Of course, we here in Michigan are way behind you OAC people in having official varsity lacrosse teams.  Hope's club team, however, dates back to 1974 and they actually played Ohio State, Johns Hopkins and Clemson on their spring trip way back then and, as expected, "got killed". ;D

Mr. Ypsi:
Thanks for sharing your lacrosse stories/experience.  I know exactly what you mean.  Being a football guy at heart as you all well know (you guys are too, of course), I've come to describe lacrosse by coining the phrase it being a sport of "controlled violence" (as compared to football) and the only action in life where you can legally beat someone with a stick!! ;D :o ::) :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 10, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
Yeah, David admits that one of the main appeals of LaX is that he can hit people with a stick legally! ;D  As a dad, I wish they would do a better job of protecting against the illiegal hitting wih sticks!  LaX players are well-protected on top, but the knees have no protection against those deliberately taking out the only guy who might beat them. >:(  Without David, Ypsi gave it a shot, but they had no real chance.  His freshman buddy played defense.  Without David, they were no real threat to score (he had over half their goals that first season).

David would love to coach LaX (and has done so as a volunteer assistant), but his gift is coaching soccer - his Ypsi (coed) middle school and Saline freshman girls' teams have won over 90% of their games the last three seasons. ;D

He graduated from U of M with a sports management major in December (which is essentially a specialized business degree); he has gotten almost nothing in his job quest.  If any of you guys hear of something that seems up his alley, you know where to tip me off! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 11, 2011, 07:36:21 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 10, 2011, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 10, 2011, 04:37:53 PM
Albion also has varsity lacrosse

The MIAA was supposed to have gone full varsity by this season, however, it was decided by the Presidents to hold off for at least another year due to economics.  


Well, the MIAA has no plans on adding lacrosse in 2012 either, because Alma is coming into the NCAA as an Independant....

There is no league that will accept us in, and the talks are of being independant until 2013 when the MIAA adds lacrosse.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 11, 2011, 07:39:47 AM
Mr. Ypsi: I finally get your "posterID" or whatever they're called  ;D

It was bugging me, I always try to figure everyones out and I just couldn't understand what yours meant....so relieved!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 11, 2011, 08:48:22 AM
We'll give you a pass on that one, sflzman! ;)  Mr. Ypsi has been around a long time with some of the rest of us; he taught at Eastern Michigan University, although he is an Illinois Wesleyan DIII grad!

As far as the MIAA lacrosse, after my posting, in talking with our coach, yes, it looks like the league will be delaying making it a sponsored sport for yet another year.  I must be stupid, however, I find that rather baffling and do not understand that reasoning at all.  Since most of the schools (exception might be Kazoo) will have lacrosse teams for men and women, the league administrators can't hide behind the economic excuse anymore as well as the fact that the teams have a ton of support from their "boosters" i.e. parents having organized support groups, including financially.  Thus, there is no reason not to do it.  Furthermore, the cost of running lacrosse teams is no where near the cost of doing football, basketball or some of the other sports (equipment, most of the players would be willing to contribute to having their own - most would anyway, particularly the sticks and their own protective pads.  Heck, Hope has already covered the cost for jerseys in the past and last year, new helmets for the team.

As far as Alma, I also find it strange that no league would accept you guys.  It has to be politics.  With the Midwest Lacrosse league already having the 3 MIAA schools that currently sponsor lacrosse as official varsity sports, that has to be the answer.  The location proximities make sense - one only has to look at the league make up.  Is it that the league is concerned about getting too big?  The MIAA teams who will be sponsoring lacrosse as official varsity by next year will most likely be playing several of those Midwest member colleges anyway.  So I don't understand this at all.  

This could be, in some ways, just another reason why the MIAA has fallen from being perceived as among the better or one of the more elite DIII athletic conferences like it was 2-3 decades ago.  I reaIize that many more factors are considered in such a decision by the league Presidents in regards to considering this decision - I am not so nieve as to think otherwise.  In addition, it is a College's perogative to decide what intercollegiate sports it chooses to sponsor.  However, at the same time, the MIAA has always, at least it has projected itself as such, as  being "in unity" together, and this seems, at least on the surface, to have fallen away from that philosophy.  It doesn't matter that the MIAA is the oldest continuous collegiate conference in the country - that is nice, but times have changed and that distinction doesn't really have much prestige anymore in this day and age, as much as I hate to say it. There are times when you "have to keep up with the Joneses" and this is one of them.  Some of these schools (as we've discussed in the past) had to do this to help enrollment and it worked out in all aspects.  As I see it, if you are going to sponsor the sport and go full tilt as these schools have decided to to, why would you not want to continue to support each other.  

Anyway, kind of ridiculous, IMO, to have these remaining MIAA schools plaing as independents, although that is obviously better than nothing.  I must be missing something here in regards to the league Presidents and administrators thinking. ;)  Now, back to our regular football programing. ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 11, 2011, 10:15:52 PM
I think from my understanding is that it is travel distance (which I think is ridiculous because is the hour between albion and alma going to make that big a difference? But I can see the point u would make with it....but honestly, alma is not the odd one out in that league, it's fontbonne
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 11, 2011, 10:21:18 PM
And now on a more board appropriate topic  ;D

I watched my first bit of spring football today, not really anything much to report other than it's nice to see Jarrett Leister on the field knowing we will have another great QB this year. It will help tremendously with the young wide receiving crew. But like I said, was only over there breifly in between two amazing softball games between #13 Adrian and #21 alma. But just figure I'd let ya all know that I saw it with my own eyes - they're playin football up here in the frigid cold!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 12, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 11, 2011, 10:21:18 PM
And now on a more board appropriate topic  ;D

I watched my first bit of spring football today, not really anything much to report other than it's nice to see Jarrett Leister on the field knowing we will have another great QB this year. It will help tremendously with the young wide receiving crew. But like I said, was only over there breifly in between two amazing softball games between #13 Adrian and #21 alma. But just figure I'd let ya all know that I saw it with my own eyes - they're playin football up here in the frigid cold!

sflzman,

Finally some Spring football!  ;D ;D Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 15, 2011, 03:17:21 PM
Now that the weather "appears" to be finally getting warm, the MIAA schools with building plans can get started! :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 15, 2011, 03:36:54 PM
Hello to you guys, my friends.  I don't have time to share/expound further upon my personal opinions about this since I have to leave on some business for the weekend right now.  However, I will just briefly post this and then hopefully can enjoy further discussion with you all on this later in the near future.  At any rate, in seeing on D3fb.com's front page that Willamette will be playing FSC Portland State, I think that is great and will be a fantastic experience and opportunity for our DIII colleagues (even if they lose/get crushed, etc.).  I know there will be many who might disagree with me on that, although I have my own opinions and reasons why I favor an occasional game of the sort.  Anway, I will be interestd to hear your thoughts on this.

Yes, spring weather has been great for football spring practice and lacrosse games.  Unfortunately, Hope's lacrosse team suffered its first defeat of the season last evening in a very lackluster effort on our part when we lost to Davenport University 20-11.  Ouch!  We will need to rebound tomorrow against Siena Heights University (of Adrian, MI).  Talk to you guys later - I 'gotta go" ;) I hope you all have a great and safe weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 15, 2011, 03:51:03 PM
Found a youtube weblink that shows Trine's facilities....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK3N0w1RuvM

Coach Land seems more subdued than usual, he is usually a lot more animated and excited.   :)

The stadium looks much better when the seats are filled (see the 9:55 mark).  I wish they would have shown more scenes of that.  The ARC building (at 10:50) also has tennis courts that did not appear to be set up.  At the very end you can see the three MIAA championship rings.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 15, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
Personally I think it's great for anyone to compete at the highest level. If given the opportunity why wouldn't you want to compete against a Division 1 opponent.

I understand that almost all D3 programs simply don't have the same resources as big D1 programs, yet talent wise D3 football is full of guys who where snubbed by the big schools and are looking for a proving ground. Aside from that I'm sure there are guys with NFL aspirations and at some point they know they're gonna have to compete with the "other" guys.

Now I realize that arguments could be made along the lines suggesting that while D3 football may have some D1 type NFL guys overall; position by position, D3 athletes just don't stack up as a whole. And I'm sure that's true, yet - I think every kid who's worth his salt love to compete in any arena and thus would welcome the opportunity to play the "big boys". I have a strong feeling Trine would play "up" if given the chance, even if that's a D2 school. At some point I think as a program you take on a "big boy" approach, with facilities, athletes, and...scheduling when given the chance.  

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 15, 2011, 05:00:53 PM
rule changes for football

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6361845
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 15, 2011, 05:09:58 PM
Relative to the discussion a few days ago about college LAX in the area, this story was in the Grand Rapids Press today.

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2011/04/ultimate_guys_sport_lacrosse_g.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 15, 2011, 05:22:46 PM
I just want to go on record and say that although Trine may have a LAX team I have zero interest in that sport.  ;D I watched a few matches and could never get into it. I suppose it would be different if I had a kid who played or played myself.

Football on the other hand - that's another story. I love football.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 16, 2011, 11:21:52 AM
Welcome to our MIAA board, ThunderHead.  No problem about your lack of interest in lacrosse.  While I like the sport and am associated with it/follow it at Hope, I am still a college football guy at heart, including from my own playing days at Hope "way back when" :) :o  Anyway, we'll look forward to your contributions and sharing of opinions/thoughts here.  I think you'll like our guys here on the board - they're level-headed and diplomatic, even when we might disagree on some aspects, unlike some on the other other boards. ;D ::) :-X :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 16, 2011, 11:28:09 AM
DBQ1965:

Thanks for posting the lacrosse article from the GR Press.  Nice article, although the writer did concentrate more on Davenport.  Admittedly, Davenport has been a tough, strong team from the inception of its program and, unfortunately, Hope has never beaten them.  However, while they handed Hope our first loss of the season, that game was totally not indicative of how Hope's team is this year.  Hope played terrible, lackluster and, in the opinion of some, reverted back to how we were 3-4 years ago at a truly "club level" talent.  I dare say we are beyond/above that former level at this point in regards to talent and experience, yet, we didn't show it on Thursday night.  I'm sure the Davenport team doesn't think so, nor do they probably care, however, that being said, they certainly have no idea of how good Hope has played against some of the other teams prior to this, particularly a good Ferris State University team.  Anyway, it is good to see that the local press is starting to take notice of the college lacrosse programs that have emerged in recent years.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 16, 2011, 11:31:41 AM
sac:
Thanks to you also for posting the new rule changes.  Yes, I saw those in the media yesterday as well.  Some interesting, some perhaps not.  I do like the rules for penalities regarding taunting and showboating.  I guess the safety one against tripleteaming a lineman on extra points and/or FGs is warrented so that someone doesn't get "creamed" anymore, however, it will make it harder to block those kicks now in that no one will be able to overload an area, including from the sides/ends.  I guess that means there is less excuse for the kickers now if they miss kicks! ;D ::) :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 16, 2011, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 16, 2011, 11:31:41 AM
sac:
Thanks to you also for posting the new rule changes.  Yes, I saw those in the media yesterday as well.  Some interesting, some perhaps not.  I do like the rules for penalities regarding taunting and showboating.  I guess the safety one against tripleteaming a lineman on extra points and/or FGs is warrented so that someone doesn't get "creamed" anymore, however, it will make it harder to block those kicks now in that no one will be able to overload an area, including from the sides/ends.  I guess that means there is less excuse for the kickers now if they miss kicks! ;D ::) :P


Formerd3db,


The new blocking rule may be tough to call and catch! The extra point changes make the crucial at one time (1 pt) a non-event now! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 16, 2011, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 16, 2011, 11:31:41 AM
sac:
Thanks to you also for posting the new rule changes.  Yes, I saw those in the media yesterday as well.  Some interesting, some perhaps not.  I do like the rules for penalities regarding taunting and showboating.  I guess the safety one against tripleteaming a lineman on extra points and/or FGs is warrented so that someone doesn't get "creamed" anymore, however, it will make it harder to block those kicks now in that no one will be able to overload an area, including from the sides/ends.  I guess that means there is less excuse for the kickers now if they miss kicks! ;D ::) :P

Really? That was the thing I saw and automatically thought "wow. that's a terrible rule"

How can you take points off the board. I'm all for a 15 yard penalty, but you can't take a touchdown off the board. If a basketball players dunks over you and then lands and yells in your face do they get rid of the basket, no! I one hundred percently disagree with this rule and think it takes awayy some of the fun of the game. Let the guys have fun.

Really NCAA? You're going to worry about this? Why don't you worry about the guys cheating on tests and getting money or gifts or whatever you want to call it.

I don't know why, but this really bugs me.

--Just my opinion....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 16, 2011, 09:23:33 PM
Thanks for the welcome to the board, I've trolled for a long time and I figured I might as well join the party. Besides I think Trine will have another great season if they can fill Eric Watts shoes. So hopefully I'll have a lot this year to give all you non-Trine fans a hard time about.

As far as the the taunting subject...

Certainly not every touchdown deserves a party, but some do. Football is an emotional game, it's payoff; the W. The Win comes as a result of a "score". 95% of the time "excessive celebration" penalties result from exactly that, a manifestation of apparently to much happiness. NOT as a result of taunting the opposing team or players.

But if player goes beyond celebrating and starts "taunting" a specific target, then while I'm not sure taking points of the board is the best option, it seems something more serious then 15 yards, but less serious then an ejection should be enforced. Football as an entity often goes out of the way to promote the "there is no "I" in team" concept. So it seems odd that they would give one person the ability to have a drastic outcome on a sport so team oriented by allowing the "removal of points" for a single players actions. It also puts tremendous pressure on the officials. The reality is "taunting" is interpretable. What in one game could be called a 15 yarder now becomes a point removal in another, based on "in game chatter" that only those in ear shot of the conversation can hear. And even then, one officials tolerance for trash talk is going to different then another officials tolerance.

Such a penalty would have to be "obvious in written form" and be "obvious" from afar (visual hand or body signals by the player flagged) to be correctly and fairly enforced. Otherwise they will open up a can of worms that didn't need to be opened, and it will only frustrate players, coaches, and fans.

Anyway - just my two cents.

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 16, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 16, 2011, 09:23:33 PM
Such a penalty would have to be "obvious in written form" and be "obvious" from afar (visual hand or body signals by the player flagged) to be correctly and fairly enforced. Otherwise they will open up a can of worms that didn't need to be opened, and it will only frustrate players, coaches, and fans.

Couldn't agree with you more here. This could be really problematic. Hope it's only used in the most obvious cases.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 16, 2011, 11:01:12 PM
I agree with all of you as well regarding the points being taken off for taunting.  That is a ridiculous rule, however, the rule against taunting directed at other players and/or bringing attention to one's self after scoring i.e. excessive celebration (which is actually referred to as unsportsmanlike conduct) is warrented.  I agree that the NCAA has taken that celebration rule to an absurd extent - players should be allowed to exhibit their emotion - as long as is not that extreme individual, over excessive and arrogant bringing attention to one's self that many players do.  IMO, that has no place in the game and as you said goes against the truth that "there is no 'I' in the team concept".  And in that regard, I don't buy the theory that "kids are kids" - they know better and particularly if they are told about this, just as they are about NCAA rules violations regarding agents, taking $ from boosters, etc.  The "poor kid" from the ghetto excuse doesn't fly in that either, although that is another topic for another time ;)  All that being said, I totally agree with you guys that the NCAA will have to make sure this rule is "written in stone" so that the officials know how to enforce this in a consistent manner.  It can be done - the NCAA just has to make sure they do their job correctly in this regard - something of which they have fallen pitifully short of in many other aspects.  Just MO.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 16, 2011, 11:07:08 PM
Raider68:

I think you are right on that as well i.e. regarding the difficulty in trying "catch and call" the now outlawed tripleteaming rule - or as I call it...the "Getting Creamed Prevention" Rule! ;D

They prohibited the "Flying Wedge" V a long time ago and I liked that play (especially since it worked so well in the main Hope College cafeteria when trying to get your food through the mass of students crowding around certain sections. ;D :o  However, I guess safety comes first. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 17, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
Oh my gosh!  The DIII full feature length film by former DIII player Marshall Cook, the trailer of which is previewed on the front webpage of this site, looks hilarious. After seeing this, I immediately thought it brings us back to the "Animal House" mentality of our/my (yes, I'll admit to it also ;D ::) :o) college playing days and (secretly :-X) I laughed my arse off while viewing the trailer :o ::) :P. Of course, I'm much more matured and refinded now. ;D :D However, I will also add/ask this: a) I'm not sure many of our DIII college administrators, presidents, AD's, coaches, etc., would/will be pleased in seeing this when it comes out and b) do you not think it might reflect in, shall we say a not so flattering, or quite frankly an unfavorable way on DIII football? ???  What say 'ye, my fellow DIII'er's? ??? ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 17, 2011, 06:57:10 PM
Any movie with Andy Dick I normally laugh when watching. I'm one of those dry humor guys and way to often I laugh at my own jokes while others around me just give me blank faces  :o. But who cares...as long as I still find those junks funny they are worth telling.

Anyway - I'm sure some will not think favorably of the movie, perhaps those who are administrators will shake their collective heads and sigh. But who cares. Most people don't even know there is such thing as D3 football, I like the exposure. Sure it may lead some to think it's bush league, underfunded, and not worth the price of admission to watch. But - that's 98% of the populations view anyway. Just look at attendance in "general". It's a far cry from the big D1 programs that most people associate "college football" with. And that's no knock on our beloved D3 universe.

We are lucky at Trine, we have a great product to watch on the field with great facilities that in large part have come as result of "winning" to such an extent that it would make Charlie Sheen jealous. The town has really been waiting for Trine to come into its own, as there isn't much to do in Angola believe it or not. So having a recent college football power, even at the D3 level, is still better then not having a team at all. (or a losing one). For every team in the MIAA, I'm sure the players enjoy playing in front of a "large" excited crowd. Over the last few years Trines lead the MIAA in attendance and we're proud of that, yet that's still on or under 5,000 people. So - it's not like we're filling the Horse Shoe and I think that simply reflects the level of interest in D3 football as a whole. If we were in a big city would we sell as well? Maybe, and maybe not.

So what damage could a movie do? Maybe attendance will go up, simply because people will think the comedy mimics real D3 football, but they might just come back. Not because it's funny like the comedy, but because they have become fans.

Just my two cents.

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 17, 2011, 07:01:51 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 17, 2011, 06:57:10 PM
Any movie with Andy Dick I normally laugh when watching. I'm one of those dry humor guys and way to often I laugh at my own jokes while others around me just give me blank faces  :o. But who cares...as long as I still find those junks funny they are worth telling.

Anyway - I'm sure some will not think favorably of the movie, perhaps those who are administrators will shake their collective heads and sigh. But who cares. Most people don't even know there is such thing as D3 football, I like the exposure. Sure it may lead some to think it's bush league, underfunded, and not worth the price of admission to watch. But - that's 98% of the populations view anyway. Just look at attendance in "general". It's a far cry from the big D1 programs that most people associate "college football" with. And that's no knock on our beloved D3 universe.

We are lucky at Trine, we have a great product to watch on the field with great facilities that in large part have come as result of "winning" to such an extent that it would make Charlie Sheen jealous. The town has really been waiting for Trine to come into its own, as there isn't much to do in Angola believe it or not. So having a recent college football power, even at the D3 level, is still better then not having a team at all. (or a losing one). For every team in the MIAA, I'm sure the players enjoy playing in front of a "large" excited crowd. Over the last few years Trines lead the MIAA in attendance and we're proud of that, yet that's still on or under 5,000 people. So - it's not like we're filling the Horse Shoe and I think that simply reflects the level of interest in D3 football as a whole. If we were in a big city would we sell as well? Maybe, and maybe not.

So what damage could a movie do? Maybe attendance will go up, simply because people will think the comedy mimics real D3 football, but they might just come back. Not because it's funny like the comedy, but because they have become fans.

Just my two cents.

Go Trine!

Thunderhead,

Welcome to the MIAA board from a guest of this board! The MIAA posters have been very kind to a OAC poster. Know you will enjoy them as I do! :)+k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 18, 2011, 07:42:33 AM
Thunderhead  welcome to the board. Good comments great to see another poster on the board.
Raider 68 you are certainly welcome on the MIAA board, quality posts and thoughts. Anyone that has issues with a poster with cogent thoughts becuase they support teams in another conference are discounting the idea behind this site. DIII football conversations.

I am all for the movie, with Andy Dick in the movie of course it will be crude, rude and stupid funny. That is what the movie's target will be, any movie about football is a good movie. DIII recieves little recognition, tell me why I watch bowling, darts, HS cheerleading on ESPN2,3,55 and any other sports channel. We Love sports, not sure why D2 and DIII are not on these stations every weekend, or replays during the week. The viewership would be strong, evereyone would like to support the local team and regional HS players.

Regarding the taunting before you enter the endzone, of course taking points of the board is a good call. That will teach these idiots some accountability, it is about the team you did not score by your self so why are you so vain.  I am also OLD SCHOOL let the oppossing team take care of the issue itself later on "turning a blind eye" to some "quality hits". Hockey gets that part of sports right, "hotdogs" are all about making themselves feel better at others expense. Getting your "Azz" handed to you a few times changes that real quick. I have no problem with teams celebrating the score as a team, not the preplanned celebrations

Quick thoughts from the UofM spring game, Defense will be better than last year. Mike Martin will be a first round pick if he stays healthy. Moving him to DT and letting him use his skills, and strength will lead to several big plays. The 4-3 and multiple front shifts is a positive, high pressure defense, will help the back end of the defense which is young. Couple young LB's can play get some size and comfort with reading plays, they will be solid
Kicking game is a bad, can not make a FG. Young Punter has a great leg, needs some work on punts under pressure. Amazing that a Big Ten university can not get a kicker, I know a couple of these guys have a good background so hopefully they come around to be acceptable. May see a true freshman win this job.

Offense has talent, struggling to learn Multi set game plan, couple good athletes at QB. Gardner has a strong arm, not comfortable in the pocket, and reading defenses. Denard is a freak very fast, has to impove on taking a snap under center and not lose touch with the field.  They have some decent size at RB,  need a FB which is not in the roster (true freshamn used in spring game).  This will take a couple years way to many small players with speed on the roster. OL is pretty solid , little depth after starting core is a problem with injuries that always come.

Attitude is great, this team will play well and be competitive every week, expect a hard hitting defense. There will be some ball control running with 2-3 TE and hitting the hole on short yardage plays.

Have to say the difference in attitude Team first all about being a Michigan Man is very obvious. the Sports department is very happy with the choice (HOKE) and return to traditional attitude.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 18, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
D306,

Thanks for the kind words and the info on the Spring games! I am afraid that the showboating the Pro's do and is allowed by the NFL has found its way into the college and even below. The taunting should be, IMHO, punitive, and the HC's hold their players accountable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 18, 2011, 01:58:05 PM
Regarding the Michigan Spring game; I thought that overall - while some players looked good, it was more in less a matchup of a bad offense vs a defense that was worse.

RR recruits a far different type of athlete then Brady Hoke, and it will take some time for Hoke to turn the program around and square it with previous Michigan "looking" teams.

I didn't think RR would be successful in the Big Ten, he would have had better success in the SEC as the defensive sets are more conducive to his style of offense. Tim Tebow wouldn't have lasted a full year in the Big Ten running the Florida offense in my opinion, the LB's are just to physical. When they hit you, they "pop" you, and it's tough for anyones body to run read-option, or spread option-read offensive sets against the teeth of Wisconsin, Penn State, Iowa, Michigan State, and Ohio State's defense. Just ask Denard Robinson, Juice Williams or Drew Stanton.

I told several Blue Belly buddies when Michigan hired RR that RR was a rich mans version of John L. Smith, and they laughed at me. But RR had the same type of system, the same philosophies on the offense side of the ball, and recruited the same type of offensive player. He also payed little to no attention to the defensive side of the ball and defensive recruiting.

Now I'm telling my same Blue Belly Delusional's  friends that Brady Hoke is a poor mans Dantonio, Beilema, and Frentz. And I'll go on record and say that I like Hoke. I loved what he did at Ball State. I just don't think he was a good a hire as the above three. But time will tell. I think Michigan has a very favorable early schedule in 2011 and good start would not surprise me, nor would a very low tier bowl game appearance. I think Michigan will lose to Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Northwestern and Iowa. I wouldn't call Illinois or Minnesota (with Coach Kill) give-me wins either.

My dark horse in the B10 is Northwestern. They could be as good as anyone if they can piece back together a defense and marginal ground game.

BTW - did you know that Trine Coach Dan Simrell hired Brady Hoke as his linebackers coach while Simrell was the HC at Toledo. He also hired current MSU strength coach Ken Mannie while at Toledo. (Nick Saban then brought Mannie to MSU after his one year at Toledo where he replaced Simrell as head coach. Simrell went on to take the OC job at West Virginia)

Just my two cents!

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 18, 2011, 06:23:04 PM
Good and interesting comments D306 and ThunderHead, including about U of Michigan and its spring game.  (Sorry about that Raider68, no slight re: OSU for you Ohio guys!).  I originally wanted to attend Michigan's spring game on Saturday also, however, other business commitments (including Hope College Lacrosee) were in progress for me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 19, 2011, 12:32:15 AM
Did anyone read the "official findings and review" regarding the kid who died while filming a Notre Dame practice? It borderlines on insane..  Per ESPN: "Notre Dame said Monday that football staff responsible for advising whether it was safe to practice outside used out-of-date weather information the day a student videographer fell to his death when the hydraulic lift he was on toppled over in high winds."

"Ultimately, no one -- not Collins, Klunder, nor Russ -- told Kelly or any coach that practice should be held indoors or that the lifts should not be used," the report says.

I don't understand why it was not Kelly who should have told Director of Football Operations Chad Klunder, along with then-head athletic trainer Jim Russ and Tim Collins, director of football video and film, that perhaps they should move inside for the day. Did no one within the entire program notice the  wind gust data that was being blasted everywhere in Indiana and around the midwest via TV? Did no one happen to notice the high wind advisory that had been in effect since the previous day and had been forcast days in advance?

Why is the guy in charge of lifting weights and the guy in charge of video deciding if practice will be held inside due to to high winds, rain, sleet, or snow? I can see, to an extent, how Chad Klunder DFO would have a say, but in my experience the DFO and his team are too busy planning the upcoming team travel needs and do not handle the actual practice sessions.

This is a complete and total copout, it is an unbelievable excuse for a complete lack of common sense. Basically Notre Dame's official response might as well have read this: It was an act of God. His bad

Anyway, just my two cents.

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 19, 2011, 01:28:47 AM
That is also pretty much my understanding from si.com.  Everyone screwed up, but no one person screwed up.  Except for the kid that died (and no one took him seriously because he was a 'card'), no one had the latest weather info.  A true tragedy.

Word is that they will now film practices by remote cameras - no filmers.  A total shame that it took a death to move to that practice.  But it was a freak accident; I can't really find it in my heart to blame anyone.  (And I hate Notre Dame, so they must be blameless! :P)

But with those winds, wouldn't indoor practice be more productive anyway?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 19, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 19, 2011, 01:28:47 AM
That is also pretty much my understanding from si.com.  Everyone screwed up, but no one person screwed up.  Except for the kid that died (and no one took him seriously because he was a 'card'), no one had the latest weather info.  A true tragedy.



This was such a cop-out by ND it isn't even funny in the least.  The windiest day in probably the last decade or more in the Midwest.  You did not need a new weather forecast to know it was excessively windy or that higher winds were coming. 







Spring games mean very little.  Spring games in high winds, light rain on a generally dreary day mean less.  Spring games by a coaching staff who have had 15 practices to install a new offense and defense......even less, less.

Two things I took from watching UM's spring game.......the emphasis was on power running, and on aggressive defensive alignments and calls.  Basically they worked on the weakest parts of last years team.


It looks like UM will A) probably tackle better........which yippee and hooray and B) probably play a pretty aggressive style of defense.


PS........please God I hope the Freshmen kicker coming in the fall, Matt Wile, can kick and kick well,  because how the hell can a major D1, BCS program have such an abomination of a kicking game.

PS 2.........he's from San Diego which means he'll be good untill the first time the temp drops below 60.  So Mid-September, then I'll be pulling my hair out again.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 19, 2011, 08:28:29 PM
Totally agree on the kicking game.  I just do NOT understand the problem.  There are SO many talented soccer players out there, how can kicking be such a problem, even at the d3 level, much less d1?

At the IWU at Hope game I attended (2008? 2009?), I believe the two teams combined to miss something like 7 of 9 fgs and eps! >:(  I'm pretty sure either of my sons would have made at least 50% of the kicks (I might have made more than 2 of 9, and I was then c. 60! :D).  [I realize there is a great difference between a free kick and a kick with 1,000 pounds of beef coming at you, but once you internalize that if any of those guys so much as touch you, they're toast, it is not really that different - I'm certain that at least my older son would grasp that.]

[And, yes, I realize that Jason Hansen's career may be over due to an illegal play; just have to shut that out of your mind.  Kickers should make the vast majority of their kicks.]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 19, 2011, 08:37:35 PM
sac, as to your opening paragraph, hyperbole much?!

Have you overlooked the hundreds of tornados in the last decade?  I agree they were (criminally) negligent, and outside practice (with or without cameras) was probably an error, but 'windiest day in the last decade'?!  C'mon - I seriously doubt it was the windiest day in South Bend even THAT year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 20, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 19, 2011, 08:37:35 PM
sac, as to your opening paragraph, hyperbole much?!

Have you overlooked the hundreds of tornados in the last decade?  I agree they were (criminally) negligent, and outside practice (with or without cameras) was probably an error, but 'windiest day in the last decade'?!  C'mon - I seriously doubt it was the windiest day in South Bend even THAT year.

Am I be chastised by the King of hyperbole?  ;)


Here's a small quote from one of the midwest newspapers about the Oct 26, 2010 windstorm.

"The storm's intensity rivaled, and may have surpassed, the winds that doomed the famed Edmund Fitzgerald in 1975 in Lake Superior. In fact, "Chiclone of 2010" (named for the beating it dealt the Windy City) boasted the lowest atmospheric pressure readings ever measured anywhere in the continental United States, according to Weather Underground — making the storm more intense than the Great Blizzard of 1978, the Armistice Day Blizzard of 1940, the November storm of 1998, the White Hurricane of 1913 which inspired Deedler's above quote, and the Edmund Fitzgerald storm of 1975."


Here's the headline from CNBC.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39853590/Biggest_Storm_in_70_Years_Blasts_Chicago_Midwest


I remember specifically that there were storm warnings here in Michigan 4 days in advance, because I took the time to plan a day along the beaches of northwest Michigan to do some photography.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 20, 2011, 01:50:45 PM
Yeah, not to quote myself here but: Did no one within the entire program notice the  wind gust data that was being blasted everywhere in Indiana and around the midwest via TV? Did no one happen to notice the high wind advisory that had been in effect since the previous day and had been forcast days in advance?

To say that no one had the "correct whether information" is laughable. If you've ever been outside you know you quickly you become aware of the wind, and common sense tells you if it's a good idea fly a kite or to put someone 30 feet up in the air on a sizzors lift or not.

Also, and I've heard this argument, that it was the kids fault because he should have known better. This to me is also absurd. Anyone who has spent any time around Brian Kelly can attest to the fact he's very very demanding. So even if he approached the videographer (which there is no indication he did), but even if he did, and he asked the 20 year old kid "hey it looks windy but do you think you can handle it?" Of course the kid's gonna say "hell ya I can handle it"

It's the exact same thing I would say. You're not going to say "oh boy I just think it's to windy and the lift will be shaking a lot, I'm kind of scared for my safety." Especially when their is a female video team member already up in another lift on the other side of the field. (and believe it or not, she was not called down after the first lift tipped over because they "didn't want scare her or make her aware she was in a compromising position")

If it was my kid who was killed in the event, I would press the issue. You'd  have to drag me out of the office of the Father kicking and screaming. ND completely and totally screwed up, and their "finding" is a complete slap in the face to family of the student, and anyone who has any type of common sense.

Just my two cents

Go Trine!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 20, 2011, 05:10:38 PM
Also - for you Michigan Fans...(below)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 22, 2011, 08:54:13 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 20, 2011, 05:10:38 PM
Also - for you Michigan Fans...(below)

Nice Pic! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 22, 2011, 10:44:18 AM
I assume you are talking about the stadium pic, not the one under his "id" info! ::) :P ThunderHead - you need to get rid of the latter irrelevant one ;D (actually, I don't like either of them :o ::) :P ;) ;D) and join our "Helmet Club" ;D ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on April 22, 2011, 12:06:12 PM
The Helmet Club rocks!  Helmet Club members get discounts at "The 21st Amendment!"   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 22, 2011, 12:07:16 PM
I'm only a helmet club member during the fall....does that still count?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 22, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
Joe Wally:
You are right!  Awesome!  Glad you are a member with the rest of us! :)

sflzman:
Yes, we give you a break on that!  Besides, I like the block "A", too! :)

To All:
Also, I/we have to give the credit to our esteemed friend here, Raider68.  Even though other posters were using their teams helmet logos long before most of us did, he is the one who actually "coined" the term "The Helmet Club" i.e. is the founder of it.  So thanks R68. :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2011, 12:59:03 PM
Thunderhead, they weren't flying that banner at Chrysler or Breslin this past basketball season, were they???  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 22, 2011, 01:03:48 PM
That's right, Uncle Rico! ;D

BTW, even though your son is graduating this spring, I hope you and yours LIR plan to occasionally post with us here in the future.  "Once associated with a college in whatever way, always associated with it" in many regards.  Anyway, I assume you guys are getting ready for the graduation in the next couple of weeks or so and all best wishes for that occasion - I hope your family has a great time and all the best to your son as well for the future. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 22, 2011, 01:57:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2011, 01:03:48 PM
That's right, Uncle Rico! ;D

BTW, even though your son is graduating this spring, I hope you and yours LIR plan to occasionally post with us here in the future.  "Once associated with a college in whatever way, always associated with it" in many regards.  Anyway, I assume you guys are getting ready for the graduation in the next couple of weeks or so and all best wishes for that occasion - I hope your family has a great time and all the best to your son as well for the future. 

If I remember correctly, Trine has the last graduation of all MIAA schools. The MIAA softball tournament was delayed a day due to graduation last year, the Saturday of the tournament, though I do not remember the date.....

Alma ended classes yesterday....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 22, 2011, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
Joe Wally:
You are right!  Awesome!  Glad you are a member with the rest of us! :)

sflzman:
Yes, we give you a break on that!  Besides, I like the block "A", too! :)

To All:
Also, I/we have to give the credit to our esteemed friend here, Raider68.  Even though other posters were using their teams helmet logos long before most of us did, he is the one who actually "coined" the term "The Helmet Club" i.e. is the founder of it.  So thanks R68. :)



Yes, much thanks to Raider68!

I on the other hand, do no like the Alma block "A"....

The A with the "Scotty" that they have been using since this winter on programs and the video board better I think.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 22, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
No Uncle Rico - I'm not a State fan per say, but I am definitely not a Michigan fan. I personally think it's great that MSU has bashed U of M over the head the last three years in football (along with the rest of the B10) and the past decade in Hoops. I'd take Tommy Izzo's record over U of M every day of the week.

As for Michigan's two wins this year in hoops, well - even a blind squirrel finds a nut or two every now and then.  ;)

I just hate Michigan's arrogance (ala Mike Hart and his entire "little brother speech") and in particular I loved Brian Hoyers response directly following Hart's comments "well - little brother is about to get up and beat big brother's a@#. Which MSU has done and I think will continue to do for the next two years at least.

So - when I saw the picture, I had to post it.

Now as for myself joining the helmet club, well - I don't have a Trine helmet. Now even if I got one, I'm not saying I would replace the Obama logo until 2016, when he's no longer president, but I would definitely consider it.   8-)

I'm going to be at the Trine spring game next Saturday, I'm very interested to see how the offense operates post Watt. (not that a spring game reveals much) I think Hargrave is probably going to be the starter, given he was the backup last year. But who knows, 29-1 = BIG SHOES TO FILL. Either way I'll give a recap.

GO TRINE!

ps - one more for the scUM fans.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on April 22, 2011, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 22, 2011, 01:57:45 PM
If I remember correctly, Trine has the last graduation of all MIAA schools.

Actually, Kalamazoo has a last graduation because they are on the quarter calendar. Looking at their website, graduation is June 12 this year.

Olivet's graduation is May 21 this year. Our spring semester is divided into a 12-week term and one week of finals and then a 3-week intensive learning term (ILT) where students take one class. The ILT classes are optional, so if you earned all of the necessary credit hours during the 12-week period, you are done for the year. This year's 12-week period ended yesterday with finals next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 22, 2011, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 22, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
No Uncle Rico - I'm not a State fan per say, but I am definitely not a Michigan fan. I personally think it's great that MSU has bashed U of M over the head the last three years in football (along with the rest of the B10) and the past decade in Hoops. I'd take Tommy Izzo's record over U of M every day of the week.

As for Michigan's two wins this year in hoops, well - even a blind squirrel finds a nut or two every now and then.  ;)

I just hate Michigan's arrogance (ala Mike Hart and his entire "little brother speech") and in particular I loved Brian Hoyers response directly following Hart's comments "well - little brother is about to get up and beat big brother's a@#. Which MSU has done and I think will continue to do for the next two years at least.

So - when I saw the picture, I had to post it.

Now as for myself joining the helmet club, well - I don't have a Trine helmet. Now even if I got one, I'm not saying I would replace the Obama logo until 2016, when he's no longer president, but I would definitely consider it.   8-)

I'm going to be at the Trine spring game next Saturday, I'm very interested to see how the offense operates post Watt. (not that a spring game reveals much) I think Hargrave is probably going to be the starter, given he was the backup last year. But who knows, 29-1 = BIG SHOES TO FILL. Either way I'll give a recap.

GO TRINE!

ps - one more for the scUM fans.



http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/TrineFootball.GIF

Knock yourself out!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 22, 2011, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on April 22, 2011, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 22, 2011, 01:57:45 PM
If I remember correctly, Trine has the last graduation of all MIAA schools.

Actually, Kalamazoo has a last graduation because they are on the quarter calendar. Looking at their website, graduation is June 12 this year.

Olivet's graduation is May 21 this year. Our spring semester is divided into a 12-week term and one week of finals and then a 3-week intensive learning term (ILT) where students take one class. The ILT classes are optional, so if you earned all of the necessary credit hours during the 12-week period, you are done for the year. This year's 12-week period ended yesterday with finals next week.

Thanks!

Alma and Adrian graduate tomorrow
Albion and Trine is May 7 (which again would interfere with the softball tournament if the weather fails up here in Alma.....)
Hope is May 8 (funny that they can have an event on a Sunday)
Calvin is May 21
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 22, 2011, 09:17:24 PM
sflzman - THANKS for the helmet link. I'm excited about someday becoming a member of the helmet club.

At this point I still like my current id photo a bit better, but as we get closer to the season, I'll probably be making the change. Right now I'm really trying to "stick it to the man". AKA formerd3er  ;D

GO TRINE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2011, 09:19:52 PM
Yes, I too would take Izzo's record over U of M.  But I would also take U of M's record over msu in football.  "Michigan currently holds the series record at 67-31-5. MSU's period of dominance in the series' history was from 1950 to 1969, where they went 14-4-2. The Wolverines hold long winning streaks of six (2002-2007), eight (1970-77), and 10 games (1938-49), and an 18-game unbeaten streak from 1916 to 1933, in series history."    Yep, I also subscribe to the blind squirrel theory as evidenced by msu's 3 game streak.  I have nothing against msu.  If my son's were trying to choose betweem UM or msu I would be perfectly happy that they went to msu if they could not get in to Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 22, 2011, 09:44:36 PM
Great to see this board becoming more active and enjoy being part of it! ;D

For all the posters have  Happy and Safe Easter! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 23, 2011, 09:03:47 AM
Uncle Rico - 3 years is just a start for Coach D and MSU football, and while U of M does hold the overall series lead, we both know recruits only care about what you've done lately. Now I definitely don't expect MSU to dominate the series over the next 10 years, but I do think they'll win the next 2 for sure, and it'll be competitive throughout the future.

On another note, we're both Trine guys, so we need to find some common ground. You going to the Spring game next Saturday? Any thoughts on how Trine will replace Watts on the field? I'd love your thoughts.

I'm sure I'll be checking the board throughout the weekend, but I do wish everyone a happy easter.

Go TRINE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 23, 2011, 10:17:22 AM
"Projected" (I use that word loosely) QB starters  around the MIAA for the 2011 Season
Adrian: Justin Hemm - Sophomore
Albion: Spencer Krauss - Junior
Alma: Jarrett Leister - RS Sophomore
Hope: Michael Atwell - Sophomore
Kalamazoo: Sam Landry - Sophomore
Olivet: C.J. Gregory - Senior
Trine: Ryan Hargraves - Junior
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 23, 2011, 10:58:10 AM
Yes, great to see all the discussion on this board!
Now, for "pot-pourri" of topics:

Thanks sflzman, Uncle Rico and OC_SID for the info on the graduation schedules.  Very interesting.  Surprising that Kazoo goes so late (and Olivet also).  Some of the schools, such as Hope and Alma can go that long as well, however, those are for the additional "Spring terms" after the regular second semesters are done.  At Alma (and I assume this has not changed, although perhaps it has), you were required to take two "Spring terms" out of your four years and those could be in any of the four years i.e. didn't have to be in sequence (you could do all four years if you desired).  That was great for guys like my brother who was playing baseball since it was like being in spring training or the regular season like MLB for the years he/they didn't take a spring term - just at the school for baseball for those weeks!  Wow, what a life!  I'd love to go back and do that! ;D :o ::)  If only...  ::) ;D  In addition, I have to agree with you - kind of ironic that Hope will allow graduation ceremonies (and also the start of the fall semester ceremonies) on Sunday, however will not have athletic activities on Sunday.  Obviously, this is done "in the spirit/philosophy) of keeping with the theme of academic importance over athletics, however, IMO, I don't quite agree with the policy of not allowing contests later on Sunday, after church, of course. ;D One could still do that and not take away from either of those important aspects.  Yet, I guess that is the religious philosophy of Hope (and Calvin).

I know we are not supposed to talk politics here, but...I just have to comment on this ThundeHead!   Ouch! ;D  Disappointed to see/hear that you are an Obama supporter - you've got to be kidding :o ::) :P I know you are not kidding, however, that being said, I won't hold it against you here! ;D  "To each his own" as that old saying goes.  That's all I will say here publically on this! ;)

As far as the helmet logo: a) sflzman, disappointed that you don't like the block "A" - that IS the Alma College tradition.  Sorry, but I have to say that I hate that  "Scotty dog" logo (even though my brother is an Alma athletic alum and even when I was with Alma -it looks too cartoonish. :D ;D but again "...to each his own!" If they want to have a scotty dog (instead of the bagpiper) as a second symbol in addition to the traditional "A", then I would much prefer to see a more realistic Scotty dog logo, say for example, similar to the Northwestern Wildcat or Western Michigan's horsehead or Boise State, the Oregon Beaver, Nevada Wolf, etc., etc.
and b) Sorry, Thunderhead, that you will hold off on "The Helmet Club", also, Uncle Rico's Trine "T" logo is very good looking also - and...is a traditional type one as well.  I do like that one.

Anyway, yes, I join in wishing all of you and your families a Happy Easter and weekend.  I'm "Remembering what it is all about."  Talk to you all later.

formerd3db

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 23, 2011, 11:26:19 AM
formerd3db,

Great post and some good information! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 23, 2011, 12:09:09 PM
Formerd3db:

It's funny though, because the "dog" isn't even being used.....they use the "Scotty" mascot as being the Scottish guy with a big head playing bagpipes.

Personally, though, my favorite is the Griffing logo:

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 23, 2011, 12:24:21 PM
sflzman:

Yes, that is a great logo also.  I guess it is good that the College has a couple of different ones.  The Scotty dog one that I don't like, as I mentioned, is the "cartoonish" one.  However, I did like the more realistic Scotty dog mascot costume that you are talking about - yet, I do not like that bagpiper "big head" one you mention.  I have been extremely disappointed (and mentioned this before to many of my Hope colleagues and I believe I even posted a comment here one time long ago) that Hope did away with the realistic Flying Dutchman mascot outfit and has now gone to the one depicting Old Dutch - the old Dutchman.  It is a cartoonish one as well and looks hideous, IMO.  Moreover, I personally thought is was a huge waste of $ they spent on this as it was over $5000 for that ridiculous costume that the Student Organization spent for that.  I have never even liked the cartoonish Flying Dutchman logo with him carrying the football (or whatever sport he is used to depict over at Hope) when we had that on our helmets my senior year.  I guess I am just one of those old "fuddy duddy" old guys who loves the old tradition - I love our long-time "H" logo which is like the "Y" Yale has.  I "Hope" (;D pun intended!) they keep that one forever.  On the other hand, as I mentioned above, a second logo is not bad either as Hope has our Anchor ("Anchor of Hope: from that Bibical passage and which was used by the founder of Hope College in establishing the community) so I like that one as well.  In fact, although I love the "H" logo as mentioned, I wouldn't be opposed to having an anchor used perhaps once in a while on our helmets (lacorsse team has done that in some years, although this year we used a navy blud "block H").  I have this crazy idea  that it would be neat to use a huge anchor positioned on the top of the helmet so that the huge side ends hook out on the front sides similar to the Michigan wings on their helmet! ;D :) :o I wanted us to use that my senior year at Hope "many moons ago" and while we had some support among our teammates for it, we got outvoted! ;D  However, it would have been a neat crazy thing to do at least for one year!!!

Talk to you guys later.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2011, 04:22:52 PM
ThunderHead...It is nothing personal between us.  Our Thunder Alliance superscedes everything.  My in-laws are all from the Lansing area so my disdain for all things spartan stems from that association.  Most tended to be poor losers and now even worse winners.  :)  Hoke and company will eventually right the ship, Tressell will cheat or lie himself out of a job, and the world will return to the way it should.  I have been more bothered by osu's success, and am somewhat disheartened by the belief that in order to compete now at the DI level, it seems like you have to cheat or skirt the rules, and I don't want Michigan to resort to that level, even if "they all do."  So much money is involved that I guess that is the expected consequence. 

In spite of all the seniors leaving in addition to Watt, I think Trine will be better than people think and the drop-off will not be as bad as some feel.  Hargraves looked good in the times he did play.  He is not a freshman either, so that is good.  Plus, Biller will still be back to help shoulder the offensive load.  His play and abilitity have been overshadowed somewhat by Watts skills, but Biller is an awesome RB.  I have heard the linebacking core that returns is very talented.  Trine has been recruiting well, and if the underclassmen can be patient and wait their turn they will be rewarded.  There is a lot of competition for the starting positions now, and players have to realize that even if they were great in high school, nothing is going to be given to them.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 23, 2011, 04:53:05 PM
Thunderhead ... just wanted you to know there is at least one other Obama supporter around here!

Go Spartans  ... and I don't mean MSU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2011, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 23, 2011, 09:03:47 AM
Uncle Rico - 3 years is just a start for Coach D and MSU football, and while U of M does hold the overall series lead, we both know recruits only care about what you've done lately.

Rivals has Michigan ranked 21 and msu ranked 31 in recruiting...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 23, 2011, 07:16:50 PM
Uncle Rico - Glad our Trine brotherhood super seeds everything, but I would caution you to spend to much time looking at the "star" system. I mean after all, U of M always out recruits MSU on a national level, yet MSU had dominated U of M the last few years with instate recruits, and that trend carried over into this class as well. IMO it's all about how a guy develops within a system, not how many "stars" he has coming into it.

Regarding our Thunder, well - I wasn't sold on Ryan in the time I saw him last season, he didn't come off as an upper tier D3 QB to me that could carry the 29-1 tradition. It would be nice if one of our recruits came in and could start 4 years, it seems like's Eric's been here the past decade, and while it might be to much to ask for another one of him, it'd be great to get a kid who could possibly develop in to that. But the hardest thing to find is a standout QB at this or any level, so fingers crossed.

Maybe the spring game will help clear things up, by the way - you going Uncle Rico?

As for me supporting Obama, well I'll address this here just a little (as I've had some fun on the political boards  ;)) I guess I am in favor of the common sense party, and 90% of the time that's the democratic party. (per Lee Iocca) I'm a caucasian - Christian, middle class college educated individual  :o who just didn't drink the "if you're not a Republican you're a terrorist" cool-aid the rest of my family did.  ;D I'll just leave it at that, and DBQ1965 it's good to know you support Obama too. I never worry I'm alone, I know there are many of us.

Well - Have a great Easter, I'll be checking on the board when I can.

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 23, 2011, 07:51:46 PM
DBQ1965:

I won't hold that against you either! ;D  Sorry, but no way can I support Obama - and I'm not a conservative "think you are a terrorist if you are not a Republican".  ;D ::) :P

Good discussion on the DI issues.  I agree with Uncle Rico, though, that Hoke will "right the ship in the right way" at Michigan.  He was not my first choice (as a fan) for that position (and I was disappointed a bit in some of his choices for position coaches as there were one or two I would have liked to see), however, the more I hear what he has to say and also looking back at what he did with Ball State and San Diego State, the more impressed I am.  Yet, we all know that nothing is guaranteed, so we'll just have to see what transpires as his tenure progresses.  Anything is better than RichRod, sorry.

Also, I have some issues with Dantonio (I know a few inside aspects, but I will not share them here).  On another related topic, I realize you guys have some issues with Tressel.  I have always liked him and I admit that I was surprised at how he handled this recent incident (although there is other aspects behind the scenes that we don't know about and...I fault the players - they have to "man up and take responsibility" for that and I also fault the NCAA in how they handled the situation.  5 game suspension counts for something, yet those players whould have been suspended for the Bowl game.  Yet, one of my students played for Tressel at Youngstown State and I can tell you equivically that he knew all that was going on there and has nothing but good praises for Tressel there.  So I think that some of this bashing, while perhaps some is deserved, some is not.  All of us are not perfect and we make mistakes.  Crucifyiing someone beyond all measure is well beyond the line, IMO (no pun intended on this Easter weekend, seriously).  It is not an equal playing field and the NCAA is to fault for that.  Either you are going to have a consistent policy in enforecement or you might as well let anarchy reign.  Sorry, however, I truly believe that and...I also think that anyone who is truthful with themselves and looks themselves in the mirror would have to agree with that and anyone who does not "hasn't got the the sense that God gave geese".  So that is MO on this.  I will step down from the soap box. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 23, 2011, 08:40:48 PM
Since we're making judgements and handing out "sentences" here (at least what we'd like to see) ;D :o ::) :P ;), I couldn't help but notice the latest piece reporting on miscreant behavior by players:

1) Brandon Marshall, WR for the Miami Dolphins, was stabbed by his wife in a domestic dispute.  She's claiming self-defense; he originally told police he fell and cut himself on a vase at home.  This is not the first time they've "had at each other" and this guy just can't seem to stay away from legal/crimimal troubles.

and

2) Janrios Jenkins, a CB for the University of Florida, was arrested for being caught using marijuana - the second time this year that has happened.  I hope the new coaching staff and administrators at Florida throw the book at this guy and suspend him for the season as well as get him some help in counseling regarding drug use/abuse.  This guys just can't seem to stay away from this stuff and trouble either.

Both of these incidents are sad.  However, no excuses...no excuses.  :( :P ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 23, 2011, 08:58:02 PM
Formerd3db:

Yes, I like Hope's anchor and it is not your "old fuddy duddy-ness"  ;D ;D ;D that dislikes the big cartoonish logos. There is dislike for those from the younger generations as well. - While we're on the topis of hideous mascots, the Stanford Tree and the Syracuse Orange cannot be beaten in this catagory -

As for helmet logos. I like the Alma 100 Year helmet here:
http://cdm15146.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp4045coll5&CISOPTR=9565&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMMODE=viewer&DMFULL=0&DMX=56&DMY=56&DMTEXT=%2520football&DMTHUMB=1&REC=2&DMROTATE=0&x=287&y=130

But, my favorite by far, is the helmet used in 1970 here:
http://cdm15146.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp4045coll5&CISOPTR=7945&DMSCALE=50&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMMODE=viewer&DMFULL=0&DMX=183&DMY=83&DMTEXT=%2520football&DMTHUMB=1&REC=15&DMROTATE=0&x=409&y=396
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2011, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 23, 2011, 07:16:50 PM
Uncle Rico - Glad our Trine brotherhood super seeds everything, but I would caution you to spend to much time looking at the "star" system. I mean after all, U of M always out recruits MSU on a national level, yet MSU had dominated U of M the last few years with instate recruits, and that trend carried over into this class as well. IMO it's all about how a guy develops within a system, not how many "stars" he has coming into it.

Quite simply, msu can't recuit outside the state of Michigan like U of M can.  msu is giving scholarships to "local" kids while Michigan can get kids from across the US.  Hopefully UM can use them is a system that better performs in the Big 10 than Rich Rod did.  I think RR focused too much on his offense and neglected the defense.  Hoke won't make that same mistake.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 23, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
Fellas,

Well - I agree Coach Hoke will right the ship. Perhaps not in the time frame U of M fans would like, but eventually.

As for MSU not being able to recruit out of Michigan, I would disagree, some of their best players have been out of state guys, especially FL kids. When MSU was unsuccessful however - they paid little attention to the state of Michigan going primarily entirely out of state (John L. Smith ear) and Coach D has done a good job of re-establishing the GREEN in the state o Michigan and landing instate recruits that Michigan has also offered. (every MSU instate recruit this year carried a U of M offer) That says something, there is NO denying that has an impact.

Llyod Carr was recently asked what had to be done to right the ship at Michigan, and his quote "They have to win Michigan first, that's the real key." I think Coach Carr was a stable coach at U of M with old school roots. His assessment I believe is right on, and while U of M may have an arrogant view of their recruiting, it's my experience that recruits care about when they can play. It's a significant issue for them. Nick Saban built his teams primarily with out of state athletes because U of M had all the instate kids. So - MSU went national and was wildly successful.

I know a few of the MSU coaches, as they came via OSU - and as a group I have tremendous respect for the guys I know. As for Coach D's downfalls I have some too, no one's perfect, and everyone makes mistakes, offends someone, or does things not everyone agrees with. But common FormerD3er....you went to Hope, didn't the teach you about the Doctrines of Grace?  ;) We all fall short right?  ;D

I agree RR did focus to much on offense, just as John L did before at MSU. Regardless I think RR was overall a lot of fun to be around, though he was doomed from the start at U of M after the Les Miles debacle. But as they say - winning solves everything right?

Uncle Rico - you still haven't answered my question, you headed to the spring game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 23, 2011, 10:10:44 PM
ThunderHead:
You've got that right.  I said that too i.e. none of us are perfect, including me. Which was exactly my point about about the reaction to Tressel.  Anyway, I have plenty to answer for myself, however, recently, I don't think I've done anything near the nature of what I mentioned about those two incidents with the two players i.e. Miami NFL and University of Florida . ;)  I would also take responsibility if I did, which, unfortunately, some of those people never do and they have plenty of apologists making excuses for them. But yes, to your question, I know about that and I think I adhere to Matthew 6: 14-15 ;) ;D ;D

I've known some of the MSU people myself over the years.  I think Dantonio is a good coach and has good intentions.  However, I just think he has handled some fo the discplinary issues poorly, which seems to be a common theme at Michigan State over the years with head coaches dating back a few decades (except for Daugherty, Munn and even Stolz - the latter was the scapegoat for activities done without his knowledge - he was just the scapegoat because he was the head man - another topic which I have issues with). And don't even get me going on Saban.  He was the guy who pimped your Simmrel at Toledo (Saban has done that to many - he's a nomad, like Kelly and some other current coaches in the spotlight).  Coach Simmrel is a good guy and coach - but you already knew that. ;D


Oh, but this is Easter so I better tone it down on this stuff for now. :) ;D  Anyway, good discussion everyone.  Our board has been "hopping as of late" and that is good fun.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 23, 2011, 10:14:20 PM
sflzman:

Thanks for the additional comments and logos!  Yes, those two are good also.  Wasn't sure if you know this, however, I was involved in assisting in the design of the 100th year football Centennial Celebration logo at Alma. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 23, 2011, 10:32:50 PM
formerD3er,

I'm glad you adhere to Matthew 6:14-15 I do too, it's good stuff. I don't judge football coaches because there is a LOT that we don't know about as general fans. I respect Coach D for how he has defended his players, if they were my son's that got into that, I would hope that his coach would publicly standup for him. Privately I think he takes care of things, and I love the fact he doesn't bend to media pressure or alumni pressure to "do the right thing" when so often they don't know the full story.

I think the greatest thing you ask a coach when your kids commits to a program, is what kind of man are you going to shape him into? Will you help him during the tough times? There are enough people throwing rocks at everything student athletes do, and sadly it's the many wonderful Christian's in the midwest chucking those rocks like Pharisees at an old testament stoning.  ;D But, I agree, we can leave our opinions on this alone for now.  ;)

I agree Coach Simrell got a raw deal at Toledo, but I mainly blame that on the AD. He was fairly gutless during that time period, and ultimately pulled the trigger on a good coach who had done well. While you can dispute a lot of thing Nick Saban does, he has a very solid record and 90% of the guys I've talked to that have played for Nick Saban love the man. So - sometimes these coaches get raw deals based on a slanted media view presented, and we all know Saban and the media didn't get along worth a hill beans. But ultimately a coach leaves his legacy with his player, and the guys I know have been effected in a good way by Coach Saban.

Along those lines I actually also know several guys who played for Kelly at Cinny, and a few current guys at ND. Sadly none of them like him. I guess in some ways some guys are just all about them. But people change, maybe he will do.

SO formerD3er, what's up with the Hope spring game? How are the boys looking? Better then .500? A few years ago they gave us ALL we could handle.

Go TRINE!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 24, 2011, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 23, 2011, 10:14:20 PM
sflzman:

Thanks for the additional comments and logos!  Yes, those two are good also.  Wasn't sure if you know this, however, I was involved in assisting in the design of the 100th year football Centennial Celebration logo at Alma. :)

Wow, I didn't know that - that's pretty cool!

I was looking for historical helmets on the helmet project website, but both Alma and Hope have some major gaps!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 24, 2011, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2011, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 23, 2011, 07:16:50 PM
Uncle Rico - Glad our Trine brotherhood super seeds everything, but I would caution you to spend to much time looking at the "star" system. I mean after all, U of M always out recruits MSU on a national level, yet MSU had dominated U of M the last few years with instate recruits, and that trend carried over into this class as well. IMO it's all about how a guy develops within a system, not how many "stars" he has coming into it.

Quite simply, msu can't recuit outside the state of Michigan like U of M can.  msu is giving scholarships to "local" kids while Michigan can get kids from across the US.  Hopefully UM can use them is a system that better performs in the Big 10 than Rich Rod did.  I think RR focused too much on his offense and neglected the defense.  Hoke won't make that same mistake.

State's roster has 88 players on it, 34 from out of state

Michigan's roster has 98 players on it, 62 from out of state.


I would argue RR's defensive problem was A) hiring people that weren't very good coaches on defense and B) forcing those coaches to coach systems they had never coached before when things didn't go the way he wanted them  (ie changing to the 3-3-5 in the middle of the damn season).  Also Greg Robinson was a so-so coach who cratered a decent Syracuse program in 4 short years.  Robinson came to UM with basically 2 good years on his resume, he rolled the dice on a desperate hire and it ultimately cost him his job.

I think RR recruited only o.k. but below UM past standards on D side,.....but reality is even if Carr had stayed or someone other than RR was hired the defense would have been bad in 2008 and probably 2009.

UM's recruiting problems on defense started way before RR arrived in Ann Arbor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 25, 2011, 05:03:54 PM
With the posts on out-of-state althletes going to UM and MSU, I wonder how many out-of-state athletes on a percetnage basis attend the MIAA schools? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 25, 2011, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 25, 2011, 05:03:54 PM
With the posts on out-of-state althletes going to UM and MSU, I wonder how many out-of-state athletes on a percetnage basis attend the MIAA schools? :-\

I think it depends a lot on how much opportunity the school can create within the football program for the athlete to develop, if they attend the school for football reasons. Winning obviously always helps, but to really get out-of-state "recruits" you have to have things other schools within that athletes state don't have, like better facilities, bigger crowds, a chance to win at a high level.

I think UW Whitewater is a D3 school that does a great job landing kids from around the upper norther midwest, along with landing transfers from bigger schools. I think it will only be a matter of time before we start landing good transfers at Trine. A few years ago that wouldn't be possible, but now with new facilities and supportive crowds, coupled with a 29-1 season three season record, and a really good coaching staff, it wouldn't surprise me if Coach Land goes after some kids he couldn't have gotten a whiff at a few years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 25, 2011, 06:04:33 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 25, 2011, 05:03:54 PM
With the posts on out-of-state althletes going to UM and MSU, I wonder how many out-of-state athletes on a percetnage basis attend the MIAA schools? :-\

Hope has 7 out of state kids from its returning roster of 64.   Ohio, Illinois, Arizona and New Jersey represented.

Albion has 2
Adrian has 11
Alma has 2
Olivet has 0
Kalamazoo has 3
Trine has over 60 on a roster over 100
Calvin has 0 out of state, and 0 in-state


Trine having the most doesn't surprise me given their proximity to Michigan and Ohio and of course being formerly known as Tri-State, the total number does surprise me a little along with its roster size.

I thought Adrian might have more considering how close they are to Ohio, but 11 would be around 10%
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 25, 2011, 06:19:46 PM
Ok - great facts SAC.

I just think Trine will go after transfers from bigger schools. That's kinda the direction I think Coach Land will take it.

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 25, 2011, 11:42:06 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 25, 2011, 06:19:46 PM
Ok - great facts SAC.

I just think Trine will go after transfers from bigger schools. That's kinda the direction I think Coach Land will take it.

Go Trine!

That's assuming those "big" transfers will qualify academically to be accepted to the school. :)  Unfortunately, not everyone does.  It also depends on what type of player (profile) a school is desirous of recruiting.

Sac:
As ThunderHead mentioned, good job in perusing our pre-season roster.  I will say, though, that I am quite surprised at the lower number of the roster so far.  While we all know there is much attrition in many of the underclassmen, particularly those who don't get much, if any P.T. at the varsity level (i.e. the J. V. players, freshman and some sophs), still, the overall numbers are down from what they were, say, 4 or 5 years ago. We had upwards of 160 players reporting for a stretch, however, last year was down to about 120.  There are obviously a number of factors involved in that (most of which we all have discussed here in the past).  

BTW, with the quarterly President's Newsletter from Hope just out, the totals for this upcoming year's cost at Hope will be $35,000 per year (includes R&B, Tuition, Activity Fee, etc.).  I had mentioned in the past that it was a little higher (heck, I should know having just paid this i.e. still paying this off for our daughters of recent ;D ::)) it is in reality well-over $40,000 per year and could be even close to $44,000 in some cases (it is not hard for some of these "extra costs" to add up that far, albeit some are, admittedly, by choice). Still, a real bargin compared to some of the other DIII schools in Ohio, for example.      
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 26, 2011, 07:49:38 AM
Quote from: sac on April 25, 2011, 06:04:33 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 25, 2011, 05:03:54 PM
With the posts on out-of-state althletes going to UM and MSU, I wonder how many out-of-state athletes on a percetnage basis attend the MIAA schools? :-\

Hope has 7 out of state kids from its returning roster of 64.   Ohio, Illinois, Arizona and New Jersey represented.

Albion has 2
Adrian has 11
Alma has 2
Olivet has 0
Kalamazoo has 3
Trine has over 60 on a roster over 100
Calvin has 0 out of state, and 0 in-state


Trine having the most doesn't surprise me given their proximity to Michigan and Ohio and of course being formerly known as Tri-State, the total number does surprise me a little along with its roster size.

I thought Adrian might have more considering how close they are to Ohio, but 11 would be around 10%

Part of the reason for this is, again, location. If you're Alma for example, how are you going to compete geographically with Trine, or Adrian for kids in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, even parts of Ontario (not necessarilly for football)......and even recruiting in southern Michigan is hard, because then you're competing with 6 schools, plus now the NAIA ones that are all closer to you.

But the big thing for me is that Trine is a dream location. Being that close to Indy, Chicago, Cincy, even Detroit, Kzoo, and Grand Rapids are all in reach for Trine (and I'm sure I'm missing some bigger targets in Ohio as well)

I also agree with you that I would have thought Adrian to have more, especially with their recent sucess
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 26, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
Hope's out of state student athlete numbers in all sports have always seemed low to me when compared to actual composition of the student body.  But that may not necessarily be the reality.

I know basketball has had precious few out of state athletes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 26, 2011, 03:12:53 PM
I still think it has a lot to do with facilities and atmosphere, at least for football. Kids always want to play where the lights are bright, the crowds are big, and the football is top notch.

While I think that private education is outrageously high, I understand - to an extent, why that is. And yet I would still value an OSU, MSU, PSU, or Wisconsin degree with as much consideration as one from any MIAA school. So I kinda think some people who act like $$$ = prestige, just kinda have their head in the sand sometimes.

Go Trine!

ps - on an unrelated topic, is there any reason that this message board operates as one big string of responses? I've never seen a board formated this way. Most have areas for "new topics" and such, within an area, ei MIAA. Just a question.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 26, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 26, 2011, 03:12:53 PM
I still think it has a lot to do with facilities and atmosphere, at least for football. Kids always want to play where the lights are bright, the crowds are big, and the football is top notch.

While I think that private education is outrageously high, I understand - to an extent, why that is. And yet I would still value an OSU, MSU, PSU, or Wisconsin degree with as much consideration as one from any MIAA school. So I kinda think some people who act like $$$ = prestige, just kinda have their head in the sand sometimes.

Go Trine!

ps - on an unrelated topic, is there any reason that this message board operates as one big string of responses? I've never seen a board formated this way. Most have areas for "new topics" and such, within an area, ei MIAA. Just a question.

Good question!

I'm sure that Pat Coleman may have ur answer, so PM'ing him may get your question solved.

I'd never really thought of it, but what you say does make me wonder.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 26, 2011, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 26, 2011, 03:12:53 PM
I still think it has a lot to do with facilities and atmosphere, at least for football. Kids always want to play where the lights are bright, the crowds are big, and the football is top notch.

While I think that private education is outrageously high, I understand - to an extent, why that is. And yet I would still value an OSU, MSU, PSU, or Wisconsin degree with as much consideration as one from any MIAA school. So I kinda think some people who act like $$$ = prestige, just kinda have their head in the sand sometimes.

Go Trine!

ps - on an unrelated topic, is there any reason that this message board operates as one big string of responses? I've never seen a board formated this way. Most have areas for "new topics" and such, within an area, ei MIAA. Just a question.

Thunderhead,

I think you will see "Topics" from D3football during the season, the offseason discussions are whatever the posters raise as a subject to discuss.IMHO :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 26, 2011, 04:38:42 PM
The out-of-state MIAA number of athletes do really surprize me. I would have thought it would be in the area of 10-15%, but the results are very low. Trine's location helps them along with a great record for the last 3 yrs.!

sac,

Thanks for the info! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 26, 2011, 07:07:31 PM
Angola to

Grand Rapids 136 mi
Detroit 143 mi
Toledo 84 mi
Chicago 171 mi
Cleveland 184
Columbus 199
Indianapolis 161 mi

Trine is around a 3 hour drive from 5 pretty big population areas

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 26, 2011, 07:24:48 PM
Despite the driving distances for a long time Tri-State was a bottom feeder in the MIAA as a football program.

The facilities have come about because of the winning, and yet the change in direction from the leadership at the university has played an equally large roll. I think recruits in the midwest are just now becoming aware of Trine, as most kids on the current team have told me they never heard of Trine prior to their recruitment.

A few more years of success might change that.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 27, 2011, 02:27:36 AM
I've always found that style of message board to be messy and a pain to deal with. The NEW icon next to the topic name helps people get to the spot where new messages start and that helps mitigate the fact that it is indeed one long string.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2011, 08:10:52 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 26, 2011, 03:12:53 PM
I still think it has a lot to do with facilities and atmosphere, at least for football. Kids always want to play where the lights are bright, the crowds are big, and the football is top notch.

While I think that private education is outrageously high, I understand - to an extent, why that is. And yet I would still value an OSU, MSU, PSU, or Wisconsin degree with as much consideration as one from any MIAA school. So I kinda think some people who act like $$$ = prestige, just kinda have their head in the sand sometimes.

Go Trine!

ps - on an unrelated topic, is there any reason that this message board operates as one big string of responses? I've never seen a board formated this way. Most have areas for "new topics" and such, within an area, ei MIAA. Just a question.
Welcome to the boards, Thunderhead.

Most of the posters have gotten used to this format very quickly.  You will find that you have comments on just a few boards each day.  You will taken to the oldest un-viewed post by the software on the various boards, and you can read from there.

From an archival perspective, it is easier (IMHO) to deal with than a message board such as D2football.com. (That message board seems incoherent, chaotic and out-of-control.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on April 27, 2011, 08:51:25 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 26, 2011, 07:24:48 PM
I think recruits in the midwest are just now becoming aware of Trine, as most kids on the current team have told me they never heard of Trine prior to their recruitment. 

I think this is standard for a lot of colleges/universities across all divisions and the NAIA.  There are a multitude of schools to choose from and most don't get the automatic exposure of the big "power" conferences of Division I Football/Basketball.  I would say even the perennial top teams of Division III (UW-Whitewater, Mt. Union, Wesley, St. John's, Linfield, Mary Hardin Baylor) would have players on the team that had never heard of the school prior to recruitment.  I'm just not sure that winning at the Division III level draws more attention to a school like it does for the teams in the FBS.  There are just too many choices.  It's the academics and the programs and facilities that open a potential student's eyes once they are recruited or hear about the school.   

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on April 27, 2011, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: matblake on April 27, 2011, 08:51:25 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 26, 2011, 07:24:48 PM
I think recruits in the midwest are just now becoming aware of Trine, as most kids on the current team have told me they never heard of Trine prior to their recruitment. 

I think this is standard for a lot of colleges/universities across all divisions and the NAIA.  There are a multitude of schools to choose from and most don't get the automatic exposure of the big "power" conferences of Division I Football/Basketball.  I would say even the perennial top teams of Division III (UW-Whitewater, Mt. Union, Wesley, St. John's, Linfield, Mary Hardin Baylor) would have players on the team that had never heard of the school prior to recruitment.  I'm just not sure that winning at the Division III level draws more attention to a school like it does for the teams in the FBS.  There are just too many choices.  It's the academics and the programs and facilities that open a potential student's eyes once they are recruited or hear about the school.   



That situation might be improving slightly with ESPN's broadcasting of the Stagg bowl - why they don't televise more DIII games is beyond me - but overall I suspect you are right.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 27, 2011, 12:46:03 PM
I had never heard of Tri-State until we played a golf tournament there in college.......and I grew up about a 1 1/2 hour drive from Angola.......and had an uncle who apparently went there. :-[


I think one of the best things Trine did from an image perspective was change their name........realizing it took a big donation to do so.  Joining an NCAA conference didn't hurt, nor did spending money to improve facilities across the board.   Trine also seems to offer a few areas of study that their peers don't necessarily offer.

  Tri-State just never sounded like a great place to go to college
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on April 27, 2011, 04:00:54 PM
Our son graduated from high school in 2007.  He chose to go to Trine (then Tri-State) because they offered an engineering degree (unlike the other MIAA schools that were recruiting him) and because he liked Coach Matt Land, Coach Jake Kinsey, and Coach Dan Musielewisc (Moose).  Having just come off a 2 - 8 season we had no reason to believe that Trine was going to get any better in football, but we DID believe it because of these three coaches.  You could feel it on campus.  Trine football was on the verge of something special and we absolutely knew it.

The administration at Trine hired Coach Matt Land on a leap of faith and they could not have made a better choice.  The success of the program under Coach Land's guidance has lead to the the facilities improvement (although some plans were already in the works when they hired him).  Trine also had the foresight to switch from NAIA to NCAA and join the MIAA a few years before my son arrived on campus.  All fantastic moves.

Of course the program has gained in popularity because of the success of the last 3 years, but we are some of the true believers that put our faith in Trine and Coach Land before it was popular to do so and we've never regretted it. 

I'm not sure I have a specific point here other than Trine is relatively new to the MIAA and new to the NCAA.  Again - the administration at Trine made some very good decisions a few years ago and it's paying off in a big way now. 

Signed,
A true Trine believer and huge Thunder football fan!

GO THUNDER!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 27, 2011, 04:16:54 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on April 27, 2011, 04:00:54 PM
Our son graduated from high school in 2007.  He chose to go to Trine (then Tri-State) because they offered an engineering degree (unlike the other MIAA schools that were recruiting him) and because he liked Coach Matt Land, Coach Jake Kinsey, and Coach Dan Musielewisc (Moose).  Having just come off a 2 - 8 season we had no reason to believe that Trine was going to get any better in football, but we DID believe it because of these three coaches.  You could feel it on campus.  Trine football was on the verge of something special and we absolutely knew it.

The administration at Trine hired Coach Matt Land on a leap of faith and they could not have made a better choice.  The success of the program under Coach Land's guidance has lead to the the facilities improvement (although some plans were already in the works when they hired him).  Trine also had the foresight to switch from NAIA to NCAA and join the MIAA a few years before my son arrived on campus.  All fantastic moves.

Of course the program has gained in popularity because of the success of the last 3 years, but we are some of the true believers that put our faith in Trine and Coach Land before it was popular to do so and we've never regretted it. 

I'm not sure I have a specific point here other than Trine is relatively new to the MIAA and new to the NCAA.  Again - the administration at Trine made some very good decisions a few years ago and it's paying off in a big way now. 

Signed,
A true Trine believer and huge Thunder football fan!

GO THUNDER!!


Trine is doing all the right things to be a successful program. From the name change to facilities. great coaches and the formula for winning. I takes all of those factors and  the top recruits will come. Mount Union knows a thing or two about that as well! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 27, 2011, 07:12:19 PM
LetItRain - great post.

I agree Coach Land is really the progressive step forward Trine had been looking for with football. And joining the NCAA was a great jump from the NAIA.

It's my opinion that Coach Land is the best coach in the MIAA, and he has a very gifted staff.

Go TRINE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Green Dragoon on April 28, 2011, 09:25:08 AM
Thunder Head how would you feel about this kid starting as a QB for Trine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysx1m_UL-Js

His name is Anthony Yoder and he committed to Trine on the 26th.  Over his two years starting he threw for over 4,000 yards with 48 TD's and over 1,000 rush yards with 22 TD's.  He also started three years as a CB.  And btw he also finished 3rd place at state as a Jr in the 300 hurdles.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 28, 2011, 09:32:32 AM
Quote from: Green Dragoon on April 28, 2011, 09:25:08 AM
Thunder Head how would you feel about this kid starting as a QB for Trine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysx1m_UL-Js

His name is Anthony Yoder and he committed to Trine on the 26th.  Over his two years starting he threw for over 4,000 yards with 48 TD's and over 1,000 rush yards with 22 TD's.  He also started three years as a CB.  And btw he also finished 3rd place at state as a Jr in the 300 hurdles.


Green Dragoon,

Welcome the boards, good info on another Trine recruit! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Green Dragoon on April 28, 2011, 09:37:41 AM

Green Dragoon,

Welcome the boards, good info on another Trine recruit! +k :)
[/quote]

Thank you good sir!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 28, 2011, 04:46:23 PM
Hey Mr. Yoder looks really good. He's got a super quick release.

I just had lunch with a business associate who's kid plays at Trine. He told me Trine also got a kid named Casey Blackport coming in to, a transfer from Michigan State. He's 6'4'' and I guess close to 200. Looks really good as I guess he's met a few of the guys at a recent visit. Should be a good battle for the QB spot.

Found this from googling him, this I think is from his senior year. That high school facility looks HUGE. He was 18-5 as a starter in the OK Red conference, one of the largest in the state of Michigan according to the Detroit Free Press.

It also says in he was one of the top intermediate huddlers in his conference his jr and senior season. Went to MSU where he ran the scout team offense against the 1st team defense during his red-shirt year of 2009. Looks like he has four years of eligibility left.

I wonder if he came way of Ken Mannie, the MSU strength coach. I think coach simrell hired Coach Mannie while he was at Toledo. And with Coach Simrell being the QB coach and Trine graduating Eric, I wonder if he put out some "feelers".

Here is some film that was online under his google videos. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASLxyziuLxg

and

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/recruiting-football/AMP-State-College-Elite-11-highlights-30952;_ylt=AhHVMRdQb25Za.xhkzXXEkIh7qB4

^^^ really impressive to me.

Should be fun to watch. I'm even more excited about this season!!!! Go TRINE!

This picture was attached to his google link. Looks like a strong kid, would look better with the "T"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2011, 07:09:01 PM
For whatever it is worth, I have heard that QB Hargraves has looked very good this spring.  Although I am sure he will be pushed by the new kids, he has a couple of years experience in the system.  I also believe Biller has been running under the radar with all the attention on Watt.  Biller is an all league RB and can more than handle additional responsibility.  It will be a very interesting season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 28, 2011, 07:54:36 PM
I agree Biller is poised to have a great season, but nothing sets up the run like the pass, and vice versa.

This all said, while I do like Ryan, I don't see his experience in the system as that big of an advantage. Anytime a kids been in a D1 system (like Blackport) or started many season at the varsity level (like Yoder) I think they are more then capable of picking up a system, and doing so quickly.

I wouldn't be foolish enough to say Ryan doesn't have a leg up, I'm just thinking the competition might be as difficult as it's ever been at Trine for the QB position.

This is all a real credit to Coach Land and his staff.

Go Trine!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2011, 08:44:08 PM
Whomever is QB is not going to be burdened with having to do it all...they will have a very good running game.  There will still be a balanced offense.   Pick your poison. 

I think Hargraves game time experience, knowing the system, having been able to work with the offense, recievers, and coaches for a couple of years does give him an advantage.  Whomever gets the nod at QB will have earned it against good competition.  I don't think the coaches will feel rushed into putting someone into the position.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 28, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
Uncle Rico - I agree, except on the issue of "being in the system longer". If this was a D1 program, no doubt that would be a HUGE factor, but I just don't see it at the D3 level. Him getting mop up-time I don't think equates to an advantage, and I don't think the learning curb regarding that offense will be all that difficult given the past experience of the new comers.

I do think familiarity with the receivers and familiarity with the coaches does favor Ryan though, that much I agree with you on. But maybe Trines best receiver is a incoming freshman too! Wouldn't that be cool.

You are absolutely right on to say the coaches will take their time picking a guy, and who ever wins the job will be worthy of it. It also seems like it will keep the pressure on whoever the winner is to study and play hard, given the guys waiting in the wings...whoever they may be.

Either way, it' good for Trine. And anything good for Trine, is good with me.

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 29, 2011, 07:21:55 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 28, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
Uncle Rico - I agree, except on the issue of "being in the system longer". If this was a D1 program, no doubt that would be a HUGE factor, but I just don't see it at the D3 level. Him getting mop up-time I don't think equates to an advantage, and I don't think the learning curb regarding that offense will be all that difficult given the past experience of the new comers.

I do think familiarity with the receivers and familiarity with the coaches does favor Ryan though, that much I agree with you on. But maybe Trines best receiver is a incoming freshman too! Wouldn't that be cool.

You are absolutely right on to say the coaches will take their time picking a guy, and who ever wins the job will be worthy of it. It also seems like it will keep the pressure on whoever the winner is to study and play hard, given the guys waiting in the wings...whoever they may be.

Either way, it' good for Trine. And anything good for Trine, is good with me.

Go Trine!

Yeah, you never know. You might get stuck with an Alma situation from last year.

Freshman gets the job. Junior quits. Freshman ruled ineligable. Then you're left with no QB.....

I'm sure Trine's 3rd and 4th QB situations are much better than our's last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on April 29, 2011, 03:41:53 PM
Hey everybody!  It has been awhile but glad to see the discussion is still alive and kicking! 

First of all, welcome Thunderhead!  Nice to have another Trine poster on here.

Secondly I wanted to touch on the topic of Hargraves experience in the system.  At this level experience in a system is a HUGE advantage!  Take Eric Watt for example.  He had the amazing opportunity to start for 4 years in our program. Now Eric has always been a phenominal athlete.  Over his 4 years he did a great job improving his strength and skills but regarless he has always been a phenominal athlete.  However his freshman year was still very shakey and a struggle to get to 6-4 (which 6-4 was a pretty amazing year for us at the time). But at that time our nationally ranked defense covered up a lot of holes and mistakes in the offense. Even with his sophmore year undefeated season he still made some young mistakes but had a much better understanding of the system and allowed the offense to put more and more into the playbook to utilitze his abilities and to make ourselves harder to scout.  His experience and knowledge over his 4 years is what set him up for the ability to make such an amazing run for the team and himself winning the Gagliardi trophy.

There have been countless numbers of athletes who were the best player in their respected HS leagues and expected to continue being the best in their college careers.  But needless to say those players either didnt have the heart to work or the mind to adapt to new systems and their careers ended with quitting or transfering.

I think Hargraves should feel very positive about his position an opportunity at hand.  It is his job for the taking with a lot of hard work and heart
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2011, 03:54:04 PM
Well said, BOYA87.  I would +K ya but I don't rank high enough yet.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2011, 03:57:49 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 28, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
Uncle Rico - I agree, except on the issue of "being in the system longer". If this was a D1 program, no doubt that would be a HUGE factor, but I just don't see it at the D3 level. Him getting mop up-time I don't think equates to an advantage, and I don't think the learning curb regarding that offense will be all that difficult given the past experience of the new comers.

Hargraves had a fair amount of playing time in "NON" mop up when Watt was hurt this past season.  He got time in with the starters, and he handled it well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 29, 2011, 04:29:29 PM
 I hear what you guys are saying, and I think there is a lot of merrit to your points.

May the best guy win. Either way it will help Trine football. I just think if a guys smart he's smart. I wouldn't count anyone out, including Ryan. I just think trines offense and D3 defensive sets are not overly complicated, it comes down to execution, and I think execution is about more then just experience, as I'm sure these new guys have come from complicated systems too. I don't think they'll be so over whelmed it will effect their production by this fall. There is always a learning curb, no doubt. I just don't see that curb as being a mountian that can't be overcome.

But who knows, like I said, i think coach land will make the best choice. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Green Dragoon on April 29, 2011, 06:40:36 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 29, 2011, 04:29:29 PM
I hear what you guys are saying, and I think there is a lot of merrit to your points.

May the best guy win. Either way it will help Trine football. I just think if a guys smart he's smart. I wouldn't count anyone out, including Ryan. I just think trines offense and D3 defensive sets are not overly complicated, it comes down to execution, and I think execution is about more then just experience, as I'm sure these new guys have come from complicated systems too. I don't think they'll be so over whelmed it will effect their production by this fall. There is always a learning curb, no doubt. I just don't see that curb as being a mountian that can't be overcome.

But who knows, like I said, i think coach land will make the best choice. 

Yoder is also a 3.91 GPA student.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on April 29, 2011, 06:58:48 PM
 :) Oh boy....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on April 30, 2011, 09:19:48 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on April 29, 2011, 04:29:29 PM
I hear what you guys are saying, and I think there is a lot of merrit to your points.

May the best guy win. Either way it will help Trine football. I just think if a guys smart he's smart. I wouldn't count anyone out, including Ryan. I just think trines offense and D3 defensive sets are not overly complicated, it comes down to execution, and I think execution is about more then just experience, as I'm sure these new guys have come from complicated systems too. I don't think they'll be so over whelmed it will effect their production by this fall. There is always a learning curb, no doubt. I just don't see that curb as being a mountian that can't be overcome.

But who knows, like I said, i think coach land will make the best choice. 

I really hope you mean "curve" and not "curb?"   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on April 30, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
Hi All,

While I'm a new posting member of this board, I have been a regular viewer since my playing days several years ago now.  Hopefully I can add some positive in-sights and observations on this board to my fellow MIAA followers.

Just as an fyi the below was released today from Hope.

‎2011 Hope College Football Captains Have Been Elected By The Team:
Senior safety Kyle Warren, Junior fullback Brian Lynn, Senior offensive tackle Josh Droppers, and Senior defensive lineman, Ben VanAusdall.

PS - I apologize if I make some rookie posting mistakes - I'm sure I'll get the "blocking and tackling" of using this board before too long!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2011, 11:28:59 PM
Welcome aboard! How long ago did you graduate?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 30, 2011, 11:37:08 PM
Flying Dutchman56,

Welcome to the Boards, You join a very highly regarded member in formerd3db! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 01, 2011, 12:49:44 AM
Ha - yup I sure did mean curve and not curb, thanks for catching that.

Spring game was great today, probably a few hundy there. Decent weather and a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 02, 2011, 06:26:40 AM
Pat,

Back in the spring of 2008, so not too long ago - I've been "active" watching this board since my high school days though!

Thanks Raider 68!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 03, 2011, 02:28:44 PM
Well seeing how we are at kind of a stand still topic wise, I though I would throw out a WAY early 2011 poll.

What say you posters for these categories in the MIAA?

Top Three  ;D   

Middle of the Pack   ???

Looking forward to 2012   ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 03, 2011, 06:14:19 PM
I'm sticking to my predictions from before:

1. Trine

2/3/4 in any order: Adrian, Albion, Alma

5. Hope
6. Kalamazoo
7. Olivet
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 03, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
Alma has announced the resignation of Head Volleyball Coach/Assistant AD Cheyenne Luzynski.

She will be pursuing further education, and taking an assistant volleyball coaching job at Eastern Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 03, 2011, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: sflzman on May 03, 2011, 06:14:19 PM
I'm sticking to my predictions from before:

1. Trine

2/3/4 in any order: Adrian, Albion, Alma

5. Hope
6. Kalamazoo
7. Olivet


That would be my order as well! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 03, 2011, 08:44:49 PM
Ok - here I go...

1. Trine

I see them possibly going undefeated through conference play.

2. Alma
3. Albion

I think this group will be separated by 1-2 games.

4. Adrian

Adrian maybe the one that loses close a few times to put themselves on the higher end of .600

5. Kalamazoo

Kzoo is improving very slowly, but is the best of the worst

6. Olivet
6. Hope

These two get my "who cares" award, and will probably be the teams that might even be bad enough to be overlooked.

Just my thoughts. I love to stir the pot.

Go Trine!

ps - I'm worried about formerd3er - he's been MIA for a minute.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 04, 2011, 01:19:19 AM
He tends to go quiet for significant periods of time but he always comes back.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 04, 2011, 04:01:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 04, 2011, 01:19:19 AM
He tends to go quiet for significant periods of time but he always comes back.

He is one very busy medical doctor! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 04, 2011, 04:28:25 PM
He's a medical doctor? Nice. I can see how that can make his schedule very hectic. I have family members in the medical field, including a nurse and a radiologist.

The shift work they do is amazing, 12 hours on for four days in a row, sometimes more. Then they're off for 3 days.

I can see how posting can be an on and off again type deal. Good to know he's okay.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 04, 2011, 05:39:45 PM
If I recall correctly, he is the orthopedist for Hope athletic teams (at least football; not sure if for other teams as well), which explains his 'insider' information.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 04, 2011, 07:18:53 PM
Good deal  ;D

Mr. Ypsi - I'm waiting for you to reveal your 2011 MIAA poll....

Common in, join the fun. I know you spend most of your day bantering over on that political board, but every now and again, come check back with your people.  ;)

Go Trine!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 04, 2011, 08:42:17 PM
Actually, ThunderHead (great name, by the way! ;D), my number one people are on the CCIW boards (I'm an IWU grad).  Since in a few months I will have lived in Michigan for twice as long as Illinois, I've finally adopted the MIAA as my secondary 'home'!  But I have no real ties to any of the schools - I tend to favor Hope (I've personally met several posters from there, but nowhere else) and Adrian (the closest school to Ypsilanti).

BTW, I run the MIAA football pickems - come join us in September!

But as my (lack of) success in said pickems indicates, I just don't follow MIAA football all that closely.  The most mystifying thing lately is that Hope gives one helluva scare to IWU every fall (when IWU would dominate anyone in the MIAA except probably Trine), then falls flat on their collective face.  This year IWU plays both Hope AND Alma, so perhaps I'll have a better grasp of the teams (or maybe playing IWU tells absolutely nothing! :o ;D).

My 'gut feeling' would be that sflzman got it about right, but out of loyalty to my Hope friends (and the best doctor in the conference ;)), I'll add Hope to the 2-5 mix instead of having them alone in 5th. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 04, 2011, 10:59:46 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

So we're not "your people?" Oh boy - very sad. Well, I'll think we can adopt you anyway, regardless of if you're interested in that or not.  ;)

I will definitely join you in the pickems. I look forward to that.

I'm equally surprised that Hope gives IWU a game, but then again a few years ago Hope gave us a scare here in Angola. Sometime if you over look them, they can sneak up on you, but again I think to some degree they just aren't good enough to overcome even being over looked.

Now some people think I dislike Hope, that's not true at all. Actually wish Hope was solid, because the knock on Trine is that they play in the "weak" MIAA, and I think to an extent that opinion has some merit. So it would be great if the overall league got better, and that obviously happens by being more competitive top to bottom consistently, and that means Hope, Kzoo, and Olivet must improve.

But regardless - at this point, I still have Hope at the bottom this season, with Olivet. That said, I have no doubt they have the best doctor in the league.  ;D

Go Trine!!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 05, 2011, 07:16:41 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 04, 2011, 10:59:46 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

So we're not "your people?" Oh boy - very sad. Well, I'll think we can adopt you anyway, regardless of if you're interested in that or not.  ;)

I will definitely join you in the pickems. I look forward to that.

I'm equally surprised that Hope gives IWU a game, but then again a few years ago Hope gave us a scare here in Angola. Sometime if you over look them, they can sneak up on you, but again I think to some degree they just aren't good enough to overcome even being over looked.

Now some people think I dislike Hope, that's not true at all. Actually wish Hope was solid, because the knock on Trine is that they play in the "weak" MIAA, and I think to an extent that opinion has some merit. So it would be great if the overall league got better, and that obviously happens by being more competitive top to bottom consistently, and that means Hope, Kzoo, and Olivet must improve.

But regardless - at this point, I still have Hope at the bottom this season, with Olivet. That said, I have no doubt they have the best doctor in the league.  ;D

Go Trine!!!



Thunderhead,

Though a Raider grad and former player, we lived in Western Michigan in the mid-90's and I became familiar with the MIAA. Also have an MBA from Central Michigan, am a Buckeye, but also root for MSU! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on May 05, 2011, 10:05:39 AM
I think everyone has nailed their predictions but as we all know, the MIAA is known to be a little crazy. With that said, which team from the 3-6 range has the best chance to be the surprise of the year? It seems like every year there is a team that performs better than expected. My guess would be Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on May 05, 2011, 01:12:36 PM
Here are my thoughts on the 2011 season;

1.) Trine - you have to beat the best to be the best and I don't see them losing anytime soon. I agree with ThunderHead, we may be looking at another undefeated regular season. The trip to Georgia scares me - long ride, distractions, etc...

2b) Albion - I think this comes down to the winner of the Albion/Adrian game, I like Albions run game and I like Adrian's defense - Albion by a field goal for second place.

2c) Adrian - see above

4) Hope - The best of the rest, they will put a scare in to one of the teams above.

5) Alma - Does the new QB make a difference or was the year off too long? No defense last year.

6) Kzoo - all offense - no defense - I heard numbers are way down

7) Olivet - 0-10?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 05, 2011, 01:53:24 PM
Raider - so you're kind of a transplant MIAA guy too uh? LOL, it's all good. I am a B1G fan through and through, and do pull for both the Spartans and the Buckeyes. But I love the Badgers too. I think the B1G is always a lot of fun to follow every year, top to bottom, anyone can beat anyone. The addition of Nebraska will only make things more fun, and if I'm not at a Trine game, I'm heading to a B1G game.

Adidias28 and Diezel1, it's great to see you guys posting. I agree with your posts and maybe Hope is better this year then I give them credit for. I know that the coaching change at Olivet really seemed to throw the program into disarray but maybe this year they improve as some of that staff's recruits come in. Then again, maybe not. 0-10 isn't out of the question based on last season, no signs of life with that offense.

As far as knocking Trine off the top, I think that game at Albion at the end of the season will be a big deal. If both teams come in to that game injury free I think it could be a dog fight, with first place maybe on the line, or at least a tie for first place. Even though it's at Albion, I give the edge to Trine, like you say, to be the best you have to beat the best, regardless I imagine that dates circled over in Albion.

I don't see the LaGrange game as being all that scary, it's my understanding that the trip will be a two day deal, with the team leaving on Thursday as opposed to Friday, and LaGrange didn't impress at all last season when they were here. Now obviously they could play much better at home, but I still think Trine wins be a few scores.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
You guys are all very kind - thanks Raider68, ThundeHead, Mr. Ypsi, and Pat.  As Pat mentioned, at times I don't get the opportunity to post for periods, however, I'm never that far away. ;D  I try to keep updated on our board (and sometimes the others).  I was out-of-town on a business requirement last week, so I see that I've missed some great discussions (believe it or not, I usually don't take my laptop with me nor sometimes either have access to or take the time to get to one when I'm away - by choice I guess just for that reason i.e to get away from that other "day job stuff", although I do then, miss out on these boards.   Anywway, as most of you know, Pat has created this network (over 11-12 years ago at least - I am not sure and Pat can clarify that for us), which has been a great service (and a fun one) for all of us.  Frankly, I am not quite sure how he has the time to do it, although I guess he is like the rest of us juggling our shared interest in this along with family and business responsibilities and other hobbies, etc., etc.  Just look how huge and expanded his organization is now after these years - and the Stagg Bowl "experience"...just simply amazing.  Anyway, I've been a member since 2000 as I recall, however, there have been many other posters who have been around here much longer than I and shared some great discussions (just ask Ralph Turner, Mr. Ypsi and seventiesraider to name a few :)). Some of you know my background and connection to the MIAA (I played at Hope "many moons ago" and my brother at Alma - and I have other "history" with those two schools and their great coaches and other staff and administrators and also with the league (and my U of Michigan allegiance and why ;)) - of which I won't go into and/or bore anyone with).  I will say, however, that one of the great aspects of Pat's site here is the opportunity to share among all of us our love for DIII football and its importance to life beyond the playing field.  It is, IMO, a very important and worthwhile endeavor and one that also allows us to "get away from the responsibilities of our "day jobs" or life's daily grind as I've mentioned.  In addition, I've had the great priviledge of getting to know many of you via these boards and even though some of us have never met in person (yet ;)), it is like being friends for many years.  Like Mr. Ypsi, I been able to meet some of our fellow posters over the years at some games and that is always an enjoyable experience - and great to be able to finally put faces with posting nicknames! :) So for what it is worth, thanks Pat for making this possible.

Another great aspect is that, as you all know, we have posters from different boards here (as do some of us contribute at times to other boards), which, again, demonstrates our shared love of DIII and associated interests - including the academic parameters of the various schools.  As far as our MIAA board, we are woefully behind most of the other boards and we'll never catch up.  However, it is so great to see this renewed interest and increased activity in our board.  Just look at all the other names of our regular posters here such as sflzman, sac, D306, OC-_SID_ BOYA87, Diezel and Adidas are always around (Uncle Rico and LIT - hopefully will continue to frequent our board). And., of course, all the others who have shared here and made this a fun venue to participate in - those who have a tangential connection to our league (by that I mean being graduates, former players, former professors - Mr. Ypsi ;) - from other colleges or having current sons playing at an MIAA school) as many of you have shared, and our other friends and former players from other boards such as cave2, SaintsFAN, Johnny Red, DC alum , dc has been, etc. to name a few. Others who have left us for some time (Rome, miaafan, DAWG, bullgogfan, Stinger even WLC alum and WLC83 - where are you guys? ;))  I don't want to leave anyone out, yet all of the above are those I can immediately think of at the moment - so my apologies if I've left anyone out :-[

And, of course, we have new people who join - Dutchman56 - a belated welcome to our board! Great to have another Hope alum join us other Hope guys! :)  Nonetheless, it is a great commeraderi.  So thanks guys for that and sharing here.  And thanks again to Pat for making this even possible.

With all that being said, I have some other comments I'd like to share and as this post is long already (as I have a tendency to do as most of you know ;D), I will post those on a  subsequent one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2011, 10:14:03 AM
Regarding early MIAA football predictions, I guess I have to go with Adidas28.  I think he has it about right and considerations as to why (at least for now! ;) :o ::) :P).  I do, however, think that Hope will be much better than we were last year (and for that matter, the previous 2 years prior to then ;D) and, as some have mentioned, will be a spoiler.  Also, as Diezel mentioned, the MIAA is usually very crazy when it gets down to determining the league title even in many years to the very last week of the season.  

BTW, Adidas28, like your posting name (best brand out there - for now - I'm biased since Hope uses Adidas gear! ;D).  Also, I think I probably mentioned this to you before, however, if I didn't, glad you are a member of our "Helmet Club", founded by our very knowledgable and astute businessman and friend Raider68! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2011, 10:28:28 AM
sflzman:

Thanks for the news about Alma's vollyball coach.  Somewhat surprising, although, on the other hand I guess not as having the opportunity to "move on" to acquire further education is always a good thing.  Still, I'm sure it was, in some aspects, a ifficult decision for her, and especially with the success her program has had at Alma.  Anyway, I wish her all the best in her new chapter.  The added bonus is that she will be able to continue coaching as well.  Keep us posted.

Also, thanks for your great contributions to our MIAA and keeping us updated regarding Alma (and other associated aspects).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 06, 2011, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: adidas28 link=topic=3548.msg1320055#msg1320055 date=1304615556
5) Alma - Does the new QB make a difference or was the year off too long?b]No defense last year.[/b]

Returning 8/11 starters.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 06, 2011, 10:38:52 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 06, 2011, 10:28:28 AM
sflzman:

Thanks for the news about Alma's vollyball coach.  Somewhat surprising, although, on the other hand I guess not as having the opportunity to "move on" to acquire further education is always a good thing.  Still, I'm sure it was, in some aspects, a ifficult decision for her, and especially with the success her program has had at Alma.  Anyway, I wish her all the best in her new chapter.  The added bonus is that she will be able to continue coaching as well.  Keep us posted.

Also, thanks for your great contributions to our MIAA and keeping us updated regarding Alma (and other associated aspects).

The other thing I was told about this is that her schooling will be completely payed for, and she gets to be an assistant coach - if you're her there's no way you could turn an offer like that down....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 06, 2011, 01:14:21 PM
Well FormerD3er, I'm very glad you're back and posting.

And now it's on us, the "around 100" time frame ;D. (the countdown to fall camp)

And thus begins the "slow" period of summer, the lazy days full of BBQ, predictions, and off season workouts. I'll do my best to keep this board hoping over the summer, I hope you all will join in.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 06, 2011, 01:25:11 PM
Thank you ThunderHead. Indeed, hopefully some time for everyone to relax a little and enjoy the summer.  For sure, about mid-July, we'll all be feeling that adrenalin and anticipation for the start of pre-season camps.

Also, sflzman...absolutely agree with you - if that is the deal she was offered, it is a "no brainer". :)  BTW, I also where Alma named its new basketball coach.  As noted in the press release, he started coaching at Alma (I remember that, although had forgotten that he had played at Calvin).  Hopefully, he can get the Alma BB fortunes going.  Goffnet did a comendable job as interim this year - obviously, he is a very good coach as we all know from his Alma women's head coaching job and the DIII National Championship year they had back in 1992.

Have a great weekend everyone. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 06, 2011, 01:57:45 PM
A few pages back there were a couple comments about Michigan and Michigan State recruiting within Michigan.

Here's  two part series from my favorite Michigan blogger about the in-state fights from Michigan's side of things.

Part 1
http://mgoblog.com/content/brief-history-instate-recruiting-late-carr-era

Part 2
http://mgoblog.com/content/brief-history-instate-recruiting-rodriguez-and-now#comments

I'll let the readers draw their own conclusions, but  I think the evidence within suggests exactly how I've felt about the so called in-state dominance of one particular school.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 06, 2011, 02:07:12 PM
Really SAC?

I mean, I can find articles that counter those points written from an MSU perspective. You're going to have to do better then throwing up reviews by people with Blue goggles on.

Again - I don't care about the "stars" these writers give out. I'm more interested in how the recruits translate on the field. EI = MSU 2010 BIG TEN CHAMPS. scUM = not so much. It's pretty clear to me who's winning the battles. 3-0

Go Trine!!!

I did find a pic for you thought  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 06, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
I think the point was more that UM and MSU aren't exactly going directly head-to-head for players, and when they have Michigan has won those battles more frequently.   Even in the one year MSU definitively had the upper hand in this State they were even head-to-head.  THAT is contradictory to the "MSU is dominating in-state recruiting theories".

Both schools have done a very good job outside the state, but both have lost a lot of good football players from Michigan who chose to go elsewhere.   Ingrahm, Barksdale, Ronald Johnson----Bama, LSU and USC, all 3 drafted in the NFL.

The difference between the programs seems to be the players that have come from out-of-state.

3-0 has much more to do with complete and utter defensive coaching incompetence from one of these schools than any big difference in talent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 06, 2011, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: sac on May 06, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
I think the point was more that UM and MSU aren't exactly going directly head-to-head for players, and when they have Michigan has won those battles more frequently.   Even in the one year MSU definitively had the upper hand in this State they were even head-to-head.  THAT is contradictory to the "MSU is dominating in-state recruiting theories".

Both schools have done a very good job outside the state, but both have lost a lot of good football players from Michigan who chose to go elsewhere.   Ingrahm, Barksdale, Ronald Johnson----Bama, LSU and USC, all 3 drafted in the NFL.

The difference between the programs seems to be the players that have come from out-of-state.

3-0 has much more to do with complete and utter defensive coaching incompetence from one of these schools than any big difference in talent.

Really SAC - this is a disappointing opinion. I don't think that I saw anyone aside from Robinson that would have started on the MSU offense this season. And even then, Robinson would have to be a back or used in the slot.

scUM wasn't close talent wise to MSU on the offensive side of the ball, player for player, MSU was better at almost ALL 22 spots, plus special teams.

Go Trine !!!!

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on May 06, 2011, 03:36:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 06, 2011, 10:14:03 AM
Regarding early MIAA football predictions, I guess I have to go with Adidas28.  I think he has it about right and considerations as to why (at least for now! ;) :o ::) :P).  I do, however, think that Hope will be much better than we were last year (and for that matter, the previous 2 years prior to then ;D) and, as some have mentioned, will be a spoiler.  Also, as Diezel mentioned, the MIAA is usually very crazy when it gets down to determining the league title even in many years to the very last week of the season.  

BTW, Adidas28, like your posting name (best brand out there - for now - I'm biased since Hope uses Adidas gear! ;D).  Also, I think I probably mentioned this to you before, however, if I didn't, glad you are a member of our "Helmet Club", founded by our very knowledgable and astute businessman and friend Raider68! :)

Sorry formerd3db, I have to admit I am a Nike guy. My name came from Tri-State (seems so weird to say that now) wearing Adidas my sons freshman year, and him wearing the #28. The Michigan switch to Adidas gear has helped also as I am not only Thunder Blue, but also Maize and Blue - sorry Thunderhead.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 07, 2011, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 06, 2011, 01:25:11 PM
Thank you ThunderHead. Indeed, hopefully some time for everyone to relax a little and enjoy the summer.  For sure, about mid-July, we'll all be feeling that adrenalin and anticipation for the start of pre-season camps.

Also, sflzman...absolutely agree with you - if that is the deal she was offered, it is a "no brainer". :)  BTW, I also where Alma named its new basketball coach.  As noted in the press release, he started coaching at Alma (I remember that, although had forgotten that he had played at Calvin).  Hopefully, he can get the Alma BB fortunes going.  Goffnet did a comendable job as interim this year - obviously, he is a very good coach as we all know from his Alma women's head coaching job and the DIII National Championship year they had back in 1992.

Have a great weekend everyone. 

"Coach G" was and is a great coach. He will stay along next season as an assistant. Although he is a great coach, and still has the passion to coach, he no longer has the desire to recruit and spend the hours.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 07, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
Also, this is a very strict rumor:

I had heard this past weekend that Coach Jim Cole is starting to wind down in his coaching years, and has not been real motivated to do a lot this past year....the word is he may be down to his last year as a coach....

But again, this is a rumor....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 07, 2011, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: sflzman on May 07, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
Also, this is a very strict rumor:

I had heard this past weekend that Coach Jim Cole is starting to wind down in his coaching years, and has not been real motivated to do a lot this past year....the word is he may be down to his last year as a coach....

But again, this is a rumor....

I don't much care for rumors - because so often they don't do anyone any good. This said though,  are you suggesting that Alma is an easy out this season or that they are not concerned about doing the things winning programs do? I'm not sure what your getting at, unless you are just giving us a heads up that soon enough Alma will be bringing in new blood.

I'm kinda surprised it would go down like that, isn't the Lester kid in line for the starting QB job? Obviously Lester Sr has a solid football background, I'm surprised he would let sub-par be the standard when it's his kid playing. - Just some thoughts.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 07, 2011, 02:35:25 PM
For our Alma fans out there - is Josh Brehm still playing over in Europe? 

How about our Adrian followers - is Taz Wallace or Mike Lewis playing anywhere?  I knew they both were in some indoor football leagues for a few years after college?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 07, 2011, 07:18:23 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on May 07, 2011, 02:35:25 PM
For our Alma fans out there - is Josh Brehm still playing over in Europe? 

How about our Adrian followers - is Taz Wallace or Mike Lewis playing anywhere?  I knew they both were in some indoor football leagues for a few years after college?

Thanks!



Not sure about Brehm. But Double-Mac (Mackenzie McGray) is.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 07, 2011, 07:20:10 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 07, 2011, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: sflzman on May 07, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
Also, this is a very strict rumor:

I had heard this past weekend that Coach Jim Cole is starting to wind down in his coaching years, and has not been real motivated to do a lot this past year....the word is he may be down to his last year as a coach....

But again, this is a rumor....

I don't much care for rumors - because so often they don't do anyone any good. This said though,  are you suggesting that Alma is an easy out this season or that they are not concerned about doing the things winning programs do? I'm not sure what your getting at, unless you are just giving us a heads up that soon enough Alma will be bringing in new blood.

I'm kinda surprised it would go down like that, isn't the Lester kid in line for the starting QB job? Obviously Lester Sr has a solid football background, I'm surprised he would let sub-par be the standard when it's his kid playing. - Just some thoughts.

Go Trine!!!

Not suggesting that at all, and with the wide receiver recruits that are supposed to be coming in, the good QB, and the defense returning as many starters as they are we should be a very good contender.

I beleive the coach cole situation (if there is one) is similar to how "Coach G" went out as the WBB coach - loves coaching, but the recruiting and spending the countless hours needed to contend is not what he wants to do anymore......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 07, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
Quote from: sflzman on May 07, 2011, 07:20:10 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 07, 2011, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: sflzman on May 07, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
Also, this is a very strict rumor:

I had heard this past weekend that Coach Jim Cole is starting to wind down in his coaching years, and has not been real motivated to do a lot this past year....the word is he may be down to his last year as a coach....

But again, this is a rumor....

I don't much care for rumors - because so often they don't do anyone any good. This said though,  are you suggesting that Alma is an easy out this season or that they are not concerned about doing the things winning programs do? I'm not sure what your getting at, unless you are just giving us a heads up that soon enough Alma will be bringing in new blood.

I'm kinda surprised it would go down like that, isn't the Lester kid in line for the starting QB job? Obviously Lester Sr has a solid football background, I'm surprised he would let sub-par be the standard when it's his kid playing. - Just some thoughts.

Go Trine!!!

Not suggesting that at all, and with the wide receiver recruits that are supposed to be coming in, the good QB, and the defense returning as many starters as they are we should be a very good contender.

I beleive the coach cole situation (if there is one) is similar to how "Coach G" went out as the WBB coach - loves coaching, but the recruiting and spending the countless hours needed to contend is not what he wants to do anymore......

AHHHH - I see. That makes much more sense to me. Thanks for clearing that up. I just wasn't initially sure where you were headed sflzman. But good stuff as always.

Go Trine!!! Have a happy mothers day fellas. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: sac on May 06, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
I think the point was more that UM and MSU aren't exactly going directly head-to-head for players, and when they have Michigan has won those battles more frequently.   Even in the one year MSU definitively had the upper hand in this State they were even head-to-head.  THAT is contradictory to the "MSU is dominating in-state recruiting theories".

Both schools have done a very good job outside the state, but both have lost a lot of good football players from Michigan who chose to go elsewhere.   Ingrahm, Barksdale, Ronald Johnson----Bama, LSU and USC, all 3 drafted in the NFL.

The difference between the programs seems to be the players that have come from out-of-state.

3-0 has much more to do with complete and utter defensive coaching incompetence from one of these schools than any big difference in talent.

Thunderhead, as much as I got your back supporting Trine, SAC has you on the ropes.  I can't fault you one bit for all the anti-Michigan rhetoric.  That much msu disappointment through all these years was bound to result in the huge pent up release of anti-Wolverine venom.  Three years of success does not erase the 30+ game dominance and TRADITION of Michigan over msu.  Disastrous outcomes vs. Iowa and Alabama confirm that msu has risen to above-500 status but still can't seal the deal.  The only reason there was a shared Big 10 title was msu lucked out on not playing Dantonio's mentor from that cheating team in Columbus.   :)   Enjoy this brief moment of sunshine, you have waited a long time for it, but deep down you need to prepare yourself for the inevitable doom that will once again rise forth from Ann Arbor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 07, 2011, 11:54:55 PM
You tell 'em, Uncle Rico! ;D

The South (well, more east than south, but still about 30 miles south) Shall Rise Again! :D

(Geez, am I rooting for Michigan or Ole Miss? :P)

Memo to all: I'll put it on the record that Brady Hoke was my first choice all along (EVEN when Jim Harbaugh was thought to be available, though that was a close call).  Coach Hoke, please don't throw me under the bus! ;D  My reputation is in your (hopefully capable) hands. :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 08, 2011, 12:40:11 AM
It wasn't my intention to create some verbal sparring or anything.......I thought the two pieces written about recruiting were pretty interesting and timely.  Just thought I'd pass them on during the off-season.

I'll refrain from posting the piece on how 'Stars do matter', also an interesting read but has more to do with NFL draft chances.  There's also a good read on which conferences develop players for the NFL with a few surprising results.


by the way......more trouble for OSU   http://www.freep.com/article/20110507/SPORTS08/110507009/Report-Ohio-State-launches-new-probe-into-players-car-deals?odyssey=mod|   

The picture the Freep used is just classic.  If they ever had independent investigations instead of relying on schools to police themselves, OSU would be screwed.  I'm sure they'll sidestep this one as well.



Freep with another brief article about Michigan's current in-state recruiting efforts, which can only be described as impressive.  The Ojemudia in the article committed to UM today which brings the total to 5 in-state recruits.  The 'experts' expect UM to land 8 of the 10 in-state kids they offered and all 8 could end up in the top 10 for the state next year.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110504/SPORTS06/110503054


PS  MSU was expecting to get all 3 of the really good Farmington Hills Harrison kids, so far 2 of the 3 picked Michigan and the last Burbridge is reportedly leaning toward UM.  The 'experts' had them as Sparty locks.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 08, 2011, 01:30:58 AM
Wow - so I check the board from my blackberry, not expecting any of you bums  ;) to be on or posting, and what do you know - apparently there was a party and I missed the memo.

Now for record sake, just because I take the side of anti-U of M doesn't mean I'm pro-MSU. I'm actually a a Boilermaker fan, and we don't have much to brag about. Still - I get sick of the arrogant pricks that call themselves U of M fans and somehow take responsibility for their success. (not you guys)

SO, for you delusional blue bellies - first off, the star systems a joke, I'm "lucky" enough to know a few of the Rivals.com national guys, and a few from ESPN Rise as well, none of them think the "stars" are really worth much other then to the fans, which subscriptions need. So they indulge us, and yet 1) - it's writers who mainly submit the votes, 2) - for a kid to score high, in the 4 or 5 star area, he must have multiple confirmed D1 offers most of the time. Now seriously, how hard do you fellas suppose it is to "guess" a kid with 22 offers from big time programs is a good recruit? Yet the fans love it. We have four 5 star kids....blah blah blah.

Further more, I know a few college coaches at the D1 level who could give two craps about how many stars a kid has (and yes, I've asked), they believe in their own evaluations and it has nothing to do what some sports writers on the internet think. They know if they don't land a single 4 star kid but win the conference championship a few times, plus a few bowl games, they'll get a statue. On the other hand they're equally aware they could land all 5 star guys, and lose consistently, and they're fired. They always stay true to themselves. Always.

All this aside, if I was a big time recruit, say out of farmington hills harrison, of course I would want to go to Michigan. They aren't that good! You could go play four years, that isn't going to happen at MSU, they have a lot of talent on the field and plenty in the barrel. And while the last 3 years may not erase 30 years of football to old folks like us, it does do a number on recruits, who really only care about what you've done lately. Unless - as I'm sure Coach Hoke is pushing - you're a guy that can "bring back the glory". Well personally I'd rather "continue the tradition" (MSU) then bring back the glory.

Again, MSU is more talented the scUM at probably 16-18 of the 22 positions on the football field right now, plus special teams.

Mark my words, scUM won't beat MSU for the next two seasons at least, same goes for OSU. Matter of fact, it's gonna be a rough few years of CONFERENCE play for them. Book it dan-O.

To end this debate - which could go on forever, I leave you with this picture below. Something recent, that recruits love, and not from a period of time that can only be remembered in yesteryear.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 08, 2011, 02:16:06 AM
TH, if U of M doesn't beat either MSU or OSU in the next two years, I've got a steak dinner in your name.  What have you got to offer? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 08, 2011, 08:21:46 AM
Quote from: sac on May 08, 2011, 12:40:11 AM
It wasn't my intention to create some verbal sparring or anything.......I thought the two pieces written about recruiting were pretty interesting and timely.  Just thought I'd pass them on during the off-season.

I'll refrain from posting the piece on how 'Stars do matter', also an interesting read but has more to do with NFL draft chances.  There's also a good read on which conferences develop players for the NFL with a few surprising results.


by the way......more trouble for OSU   http://www.freep.com/article/20110507/SPORTS08/110507009/Report-Ohio-State-launches-new-probe-into-players-car-deals?odyssey=mod|   

The picture the Freep used is just classic.  If they ever had independent investigations instead of relying on schools to police themselves, OSU would be screwed.  I'm sure they'll sidestep this one as well.



Freep with another brief article about Michigan's current in-state recruiting efforts, which can only be described as impressive.  The Ojemudia in the article committed to UM today which brings the total to 5 in-state recruits.  The 'experts' expect UM to land 8 of the 10 in-state kids they offered and all 8 could end up in the top 10 for the state next year.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110504/SPORTS06/110503054


PS  MSU was expecting to get all 3 of the really good Farmington Hills Harrison kids, so far 2 of the 3 picked Michigan and the last Burbridge is reportedly leaning toward UM.  The 'experts' had them as Sparty locks.





Unfortunately, the hits keep on coming! :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 08, 2011, 03:03:30 PM
Wow!!!

Have not been on the board for a little time, and it has blown up

Glad to see the posts and action.

I will stay out of the BS and chatter RE: OSU, UofM and MSU. All I can say is OSU has embarassed the Big Ten and more will come out over the Summer.
Cars are next, just a couple hints in paper today.

UofM will be fine, this year and going forward. Couple years required to turnover the players, way to many small framed "Athletes" for Hoke's system.
The coaching staff and recruit profile Hoke has is based on the profile UofM will continue to recruit. Competitive and clean program ( Stonum suspended, probably never see him again. though they will let him finish school if he does not transfer )

MSU has improved and is building a repeatable profile and legacy. Would Love to see both stay strong for the coming years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Maybe we can divert attention away from UM vs msu and direct it somewhere else...

Coach Lou Holtz delivered the commencement address for my son's graduation at Trine yesterday.  Have to admit it was pretty entertaining.  Coach Bobby Knight did it last year.   

Trine has been pretty good at pulling some characters, that is for sure.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 08, 2011, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Maybe we can divert attention away from UM vs msu and direct it somewhere else...

Coach Lou Holtz delivered the commencement address for my son's graduation at Trine yesterday.  Have to admit it was pretty entertaining.  Coach Bobby Knight did it last year.   

Trine has been pretty good at pulling some characters, that is for sure.





Uncle Rico,


Mount Union graduated 480 yesterday as well. How many graduated from Trine . Wish them all best success going foward. Earning that college degree means so much to them and their parents, but it will take a few years to really appreciate the hard work, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2011, 06:55:12 PM
Raider68 and Uncle Rico:

First, congrats to Uncle Rico and LIR on the graduation of your son at Trine.  A great family memory for all of you and wonderful accomplishment for him.  I always recall at graduation time each what it was like for the graduating students - a mixture of emotions; knowing that you are leaving a place that you spent 4 years of your life at - a hard feeling walking around the campus and seeing the old buildings, dorms, etc. for the last time as a student, especially on a beautiful graduation day as this weekend was for both days for many of the colleges; yet also the anticipation, excitement and feeling that "it is just time to go, move on and leave the campus" - perhaps a minor feeling regarding the latter, but nonetheless a "human one".  So for what it's worth, I share that.  Again, congrats to you and any other of our colleagues here who have graduating seniors.

Second, Hope had a record 745 graduating students today - breacking the 718 set in 2007 when our oldest daughter graduated from there.  Obviously, these numbers for any of these DIII schoosl do not reach anywhere near those of the DI schools, but nonetheless, just as exciting and important.

Third, great discussions and activities on our board this weekend guys!  Excellent!  Great debates are fun.  I may have to join Mr. Ypsi in that steak challenge bet to ThunderHead about U of Mich beating MSU!  I know that sac has our backs covered anyway! ;D

Addidas28:  No problems, friend!  It's all good gear - we all just have to support our teams!

Great to have D306 back!

sflzman: Always a great source of inside info for us re: Alma.  Thanks.  We'll keep a "watch on the Coach Cole situation".  However, I don't think that any one of us would fault him (or any of the coaches anywhere in our league who have, say, after some 20+ years in being a head coach (or assistant) would look at "turning the page for a new chapter" in their "book of life".  We all know when and from whom we get that signal.  

Anyway, I wish all of you a great week.   Talk to you later.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 08, 2011, 09:41:50 PM
Hey all - I agree, I can definitely leave the MSU vs U of M thing alone...I can see how you blue bellies want it that way. cough cough 0-3

And by the way fellas, I got your steak dinner if U of M beats the Spartans in the next two years. It isn't gonna happen, and I like my steak medium to medium rare.

Congrats Uncle Rico and LIR on your kids graduations, and yes formerd3er, the old graduation can be bittersweet. Even at the big schools. It was great to see Coach Holtz in Angola, he's a good man and I know he enjoyed the opportunity to share the experience with the 2011 class at Trine. Though it's tough to follow Bobby Knight, he had a great time. He was really impressed with everything Trine's got going on.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2011, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 08, 2011, 09:41:50 PM
Hey all - I agree, I can definitely leave the MSU vs U of M thing alone...I can see how you blue bellies want it that way. cough cough 0-3

  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on May 09, 2011, 07:37:35 AM
Raider - I don't have an exact number on Trine graduates but I believe someone told me were were at approximately 375.  Trine's enrollment continues to grow so these numbers should grow also.  It's great to have so many degree choices at Trine.  Our son graduated from the engineering school, but there's also education, business, professional studies and arts and sciences.  Both bachelors and masters degrees also.  Lots of good choices.

Thanks Formerd3db and Thunderhead for the graduation wishes.  It was a very good day.  Coach Holtz was entertaining to be sure and had a good message for the kids.  I'm sure someone caught it all on film and it can be found on YouTube by now.  They had a nice party at my son's frat house for the graduates/families after commencement.  I sure am going to miss the people we've become friends with - coaches, parents, faculty and administrators.  However, we are planning to return for some games next fall.  I can't imagine not watching any Thunder football!!

We heard some encouraging feedback from the coaches on the recruits for next fall.  The coaches are continuing to do a great job building the program and it should be a lot of fun to watch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on May 09, 2011, 08:11:00 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Maybe we can divert attention away from UM vs msu and direct it somewhere else...

Coach Lou Holtz delivered the commencement address for my son's graduation at Trine yesterday.  Have to admit it was pretty entertaining.  Coach Bobby Knight did it last year.   

Trine has been pretty good at pulling some characters, that is for sure.






Bob Knight!?!  Really?  How did that go?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 09, 2011, 08:32:10 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 09, 2011, 08:11:00 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Maybe we can divert attention away from UM vs msu and direct it somewhere else...

Coach Lou Holtz delivered the commencement address for my son's graduation at Trine yesterday.  Have to admit it was pretty entertaining.  Coach Bobby Knight did it last year.   

Trine has been pretty good at pulling some characters, that is for sure.






Bob Knight!?!  Really?  How did that go?

Here is a youtube link...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR0OcBbuWC8
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 09, 2011, 12:33:22 PM
formerd3db,

Here is a link to one of your other favorite sports that is growing! :)

http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mlax/2010-11/releases/start-up
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 09, 2011, 02:40:18 PM
had to share.......

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn2.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F716838%2Fcargate_columbus_medium.gif&hash=c6abd2926dff55ba7cec7224095ebb6431812230)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 09, 2011, 02:45:36 PM
Glad everyone had a good graduation day.

LIR I'm also looking forward to the 2011 season, I can't wait to get football back. It seems like it's been a long long long time since the major bowls finished up.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 10, 2011, 04:26:02 PM
Interesting article in the Calvin student paper (and some discussion on the men's basketball board) about whether or not Calvin should have a football team:

http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/article.php?id=12599
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 10, 2011, 04:57:39 PM
Thanks Flying Dutch Fan - I work with several Calvin grads - it will be nice to share this with them and for me to rub it in how they don't have football!   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 10, 2011, 06:36:58 PM
Good post, and its a good read. I'm not sure Calvin will ever feild a team until some donor just dumps a large sum of money specifically designated for football.

Even then I'm sure some will not be thrilled with that donors "priorities" with his money donations vs the schools needs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 10, 2011, 09:43:17 PM
Thanks for sharing the Calvin student newspaper article about considerations a potential football team.  Most of you newcomers to this board obviously have not seen the extensive discussions we've had here about this topic in past years.  There are some/many (Calvin alums, supporters, etc.) who vehemently are opposed to Calvin College adding a football program.  This debate has been going on for years.

The student writer of the article is entitled to his own opinion without question.  That being said, I could certainly counter almost of his points.  It is obvious that he has no inside information regarding recent "behind the scenes" discussions about Calvin adding football.  I will only say that unlike the writer, I have heard this from "inside sources" and...it is a serious discussion with potential reality - much more so than ever before.  I won't reiterate all of what we've discussed before - rather only some brief points. For sure, there have been Calvin alums (big donars and board of trustees who have been opposed to football and always will be).  Some of that may be changing.

Secondly, IMO, the writer is quite mistaken on several of his points.  The EtoH issue is ridiculous - that has nothing to do with football - it occurs anyway, even at our MIAA schools unfortunately.  It won't become worse if Calvin added football. Also, yes, a program costs $, however, it will eventually sustain itself and including the enrollment factor he talks about.  Just ask Adrian - by bringing in lacfrosse and hockey, they no longer have an enrollment issue like they did before and the $ brought in by addditonal students has covered much of those costs - of course, it did help with two huge alumni donars paying for the ice arena.

A fourth factor is that while most new football programs struggle in the W-L column for the first two years, I personally believe that Calvin would become succesful very quick.  They have a ton of potential draw from area/regional Christian high schools in the G.R. area, who now go to other schools for football; they would also draw from the many Chicago area Christian high schools.  I do believe that it would hurt Hope recruiting even more if Calvin added a football program.

As far as facilities, there are enough wealthy Calvin alumns who would donate to make an on campus stadium - it could be done in phases; besides, their outdoor lacrosse field could easily be dressed in new synthentic turf (cost is about $550,000 for the field), bleacher seating would be easily done with more permanent stadium seating in a phased program.  However, I would bet you a steak dinner that they could fund a very nice, adequate but failrly reasonably cost more permanent stadium if they really wanted to.  Besides, there are many nearby area high school stadiums they could use and/or Houseman Field in G.R. which would certainly be a fine choice, at least for awhile.

Obviously, football is not for everyone.  I admit I'm biased (as are most of you here too ;D), however, football provides a big asset to any school and for any one to say it doesn't contribute in many ways beyond the game itself is ludicrous.  And this despite for only a certain group of student-athletes, it is a legit activity/endeavor.  To go the Swarthemore debacle way of...wow, a decade ago already...is ridiculous (my how time flies :) ;D.)

Anyway, I could argue several more points about this topic, yet will refrain from doing so.  Again, I will just say that talks about possible Calvin football (from what I've been told from some sources - who will remain anonymous by me for obvious reasons), have been more serious than ever before as I mentioned.  However, like the writer said in his own words, whether that eventually comes to fruition remains to be seen....and that may be a long time, if ever.

P.S. Oh, one more thing.  I also disagree with the writer - a HopeCalvin football game would be extremely highly attended always and a very mean rivalry - perhaps even more than the Hope/Albion football rivalry has always been, even in the most recent lean times for either of those latter two programs.  Besides, you don't hold the record for all-time NCAA single game attendance at any level for basketball (almost 12,000) like Hope/Calvin does for nothing.  Even the Hope/Calvin ice hockey games draw capacity crowds (some over 3,000 at the old Van Andal series games when those were held there) and those are "virtual varsity" programs at present.  Just MO. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 11, 2011, 07:44:19 AM
Way to go again Hope Athletics!

Hope Retains MIAA Commissioner's Cup in Dramatic Way

FINAL STANDINGS
Here is the tally for the MIAA Commissioner's Cup:

School    Total
Hope    206
Calvin    202
Albion    132
Adrian    125
Alma    113
Kalamazoo    98
Olivet    95
Trine    91

Comebacks are part of the excitement of athletic competitions. The comeback staged by the six Hope College teams this spring was simply amazing in leading the Flying Dutch and Flying Dutchmen to an unprecedented 11th consecutive MIAA Commissioner's Cup.

The Commissioner's Cup is presented annually to the MIAA-member
college that has the best cumulative peformance in the league's 18
sports for men and women.


Hope's string of Cups was in jeopardy after the fall and winter sports seasons as rival Calvin maintained what appeared to be an
insurmountable eight-point advantage in the standings.


Hope spring teams led the rally call claiming a league co-championship in men's track and field, finishing second in women's track and field, second in both baseball and softball, second in women's tennis and third in men's tennis. The spring teams garnered 77 out of a possible 90 all-sports points.

The result was Hope gaining a four-point advantage over Calvin in the final standings, 206-202. For the year Calvin had a 96-94 edge on the men's sports side of the standings while Hope owned a 112-106 advantage in women's sports.

The closeness of the Hope/Calvin Rivalry goes beyond a single sport. A year ago Calvin made a run at Hope for the Cup only to lose by a single point, 209-208. In 2007-08 the schools ended in a deadheat at 202 all-sports points apiece. This year four of Hope's MIAA championships were shared with Calvin -- men's soccer, volleyball, women's basketball and men's track & field.

This is Hope's 33rd Commissioner's Cup, the 26th over the last 32
years. Next is Albion with 14 followed by Kalamazoo 13, Calvin 9 and Alma 5.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 11, 2011, 07:49:26 AM
If Alma finished 5th overall, I really want to see what the standings would be like with just fall and springs sports since we were dead last in every single winter sport.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 11, 2011, 07:59:59 AM
Quite an honor for Hope! Congrats to them and I  am sure formerd3db and all Hope supporters is very proud! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on May 11, 2011, 08:31:22 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 10, 2011, 04:26:02 PM
Interesting article in the Calvin student paper (and some discussion on the men's basketball board) about whether or not Calvin should have a football team:

http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/article.php?id=12599


Interesting to see how this plays out at Calvin.  In addition to the moral dilemna that appears to play a part in this for Calvin, as well as the economic challenge that all of our D-3 institutions face, there is the medical dilemna of concussions and "sub-concusive trauma."  Do you want to expose your student athletes to that risk?  Do you want to expose your institution to the liability?

On the moral issue, I find it hard to believe that football generates an immoral culture, and to the extent that it does, that it generates any more of an immoral culture than any of the other sports currently being played at Calvin.

I do have some Calvin grads living in my area, I'll need to pick their brains on this one.

That said, I suppose I need to work.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 11, 2011, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 11, 2011, 08:31:22 AM
Interesting to see how this plays out at Calvin.  In addition to the moral dilemna that appears to play a part in this for Calvin, as well as the economic challenge that all of our D-3 institutions face, there is the medical dilemna of concussions and "sub-concusive trauma."  Do you want to expose your student athletes to that risk?  Do you want to expose your institution to the liability?
That said, I suppose I need to work.

While the possibility of injuries and "sub-concusive trauma" have to be considered, Calvin already has a well established club hockey team.  Seems to me if you're OK with that from an injury standpoint, football should be OK as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 05:17:09 PM
I'm not sure Calvin has the fan base for football, like the writer suggests. While I'm sure there are a few very loyal supporters and very football friendly people within the Calvin family, I don't see them doing anything better then Hope does attendance wise for football. And I don't think the Calvin/Hope game would be a big draw, especially at first, with Calvin being not real good, and Hope being only slightly better.  ;)

What makes it work so well in hoops is that you have two established and successful programs facing each other. And the games are played during the winter, when lets face it, there isn't a lot to do. I'm not saying that their attendance is due to the lack of interesting things going on, I'm just saying that putting it in the fall on a beautiful fall weekend in West Michigan isn't going to be on the top of to many people's list.

Most football fans are headed to East Lansing or AA, and they have GVSU at night. I think one big reason Trine draws well is because outside of the 29-1 mark, Angola doesn't offer what Holland/Grand Rapids does on the weekends. It's a community event because it literally is the community team.  8-)

As far as the President Cup - congrats to Hope. Well done. We finished dead last, hopefully with time that will improve, although to be honest, I only specifically care that we remain on top in football. :) That's really the only sport I follow at Trine.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on May 11, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
I dunno. I think the first ever Calvin-Hope football game would be a hot ticket.

I've never followed d3 football one lick, does Hope not draw very well?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 11, 2011, 06:23:29 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 05:17:09 PM
I'm not sure Calvin has the fan base for football, like the writer suggests. While I'm sure there are a few very loyal supporters and very football friendly people within the Calvin family, I don't see them doing anything better then Hope does attendance wise for football. And I don't think the Calvin/Hope game would be a big draw, especially at first, with Calvin being not real good, and Hope being only slightly better.  ;)


It will never happen but I think you're way wrong here.  I think you are underestimating what competition between Hope and Calvin means to these two schools, its alumni and fans.

I have little doubt that an annual Hope/Calvin football game would draw well consistently.  An inaugural game played in the right location would probably set a record that neither school could break again.

2700 showed up in Holland this past fall for the Calvin soccer game, 1600 in GR.  These two games eclipsed anything anyone else in the MIAA had by about a factor of 10.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Well - Maybe I'm wrong about the Hope V Calvin situation. (as my wife can attest, I'm wrong about most things... :D) It's not that I don't appreciate the Hope vs Calvin match-up and rivalry. I just don't see it as a game that draws thousand and thousands after the first meeting. Or maybe it does - who knows. I guess it doesn't matter as this is a mute point.

And no, I don't believe Hope draws well for football as of late, then again they haven't been very good, so maybe back when they were competing for conference championships things were different. FormerD3er could probably give better insight here. I know that at Trine, when we were Tri-States, football didn't draw worth a lick. Winning helps, it's the cure all.

GO Trine!!!

PS SAC - I don't care to watch soccer, beating everyone by 10 fold in MIAA soccer probably meant you had 300 people show up.  ;) I'm guessing that outside of Indiana University, that Calvin vs Hope game probably beat everyone in the Big Ten by 10 fold too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 11, 2011, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on May 11, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
I dunno. I think the first ever Calvin-Hope football game would be a hot ticket.

I've never followed d3 football one lick, does Hope not draw very well?

Hope avg'd 2335, and I think this was probably a down year attendance wise.

Adrian 2120
Alma 1417
Albion 1858
Kzoo 1148
Olivet 611
Trine 4784

The MIAA was 12th as a conference, you needed 3,000 to be ranked among the top 20.  Trine was 8th Nationally


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 06:41:57 PM
I went to the Hope VS Trine game last year, and 2000 would be a pretty favorable number IMO. Hopefully that improves this season.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 11, 2011, 06:44:05 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 06:29:06 PM

PS SAC - I don't care to watch soccer, beating everyone by 10 fold in MIAA soccer probably meant you had 300 people show up.  ;) I'm guessing that outside of Indiana University, that Calvin vs Hope game probably beat everyone in the Big Ten by 10 fold too.


5 Big Ten teams had a higher avg attendance than Hope in soccer.  Indiana, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State.  Northwestern and Wisconsin were just under Hope's per game avg by a couple hundred........all well above the 10 fold threshold.

There are only 7 men's soccer teams in the Big 10



Quote from: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 06:41:57 PM
I went to the Hope VS Trine game last year, and 2000 would be a pretty favorable number IMO. I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just saying it didn't feel like 2500. Maybe it's the way the stadium is set up.

Go Trine!!!

Attendance is listed at 3550

http://miaa.org/fb/stats/10/1023hotr.htm
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 11, 2011, 06:54:20 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on May 11, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
I've never followed d3 football one lick, does Hope not draw very well?

Hope's avg this past season was its third lowest since they started playing at Holland Municipal Stadium.

Hope at Holland Municipal Stadium
Alltime thru 2010 season: 85-55-3
Year         Dates         Total         Average         W-L-T
1979         5         18,854         3,770         4-0-1
1980         4         15,317         3,830         2-2-0
1981         5         18,623         3,725         3-2-0
1982         4         16,281         4,070         4-0-0
1983         4         14,677         3,669         4-0-0
1984         5         18,133         3,627         5-0-0
1985         4         12,897         3,225         2-1-1
1986         5         16,435         3,287         3-2-0
1987         5         15,403         3,081         4-1-0
1988         4         12,231         3,058         1-3-0
1989         4         11,620         2,905         3-1-0
1990         5         15,904         3,181         3-1-1
1991         4         12,472         3,118         2-2-0
1992         5         12,424         2,485         3-2-0
1993         4         11,436         2,859         1-3-0
1994         4         11,283         2,821         2-2-0
1995         6         14,793         2,466         2-4-0
1996         4         12,200         3,050         1-3-0
1997         5         20,742         4,148         3-2-0
1998         4         12,259         3,065         2-2-0
1999         5         14,075         2,815         3-2-0
2000         5         20,175         4,035         3-2-0
2001         5         17,330         3,466         5-0-0
2002         5         16,945         3,389         3-2-0
2003         4         13,302         3,325         4-0-0
2004         5         16,547         3,309         3-2-0
2005         5         10,660         2,132         4-1-0
2006         5         11,051         2,210         4-1-0
2007         5         18,847         3,769         2-3-0
2008         5         14,630         2,926         2-3-0
2009         5         13,061         2,612         2-3-0
2010         5         11,675         2,335         2-3-0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 07:15:11 PM
SAC - I don't care what was recorded there is no way there were 3500 people at that game. Unless maybe they are counting tickets sold, and people just didn't show up.

Nice facts on soccer - again though, not a sport I follow.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 11, 2011, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 06:41:57 PM
I went to the Hope VS Trine game last year, and 2000 would be a pretty favorable number IMO. Hopefully that improves this season.

Go Trine!!!

I was at the game last year as well.  I believe it was Hope's homecoming.  I thought it was a pretty good size crowd from what I remember, and we (Trine) also travel fairly well, adding to those numbers.  I have to believe it was much more than 2000.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 08:01:41 PM
So I was doing a little skimming a visited some fans sites for St. Johns University and the University of St Thomas. WOW - really cool programs, and GREAT fan support.

Anyone been to any of those places for Saturday football?

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 11, 2011, 09:36:15 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 08:01:41 PM
So I was doing a little skimming a visited some fans sites for St. Johns University and the University of St Thomas. WOW - really cool programs, and GREAT fan support.

Anyone been to any of those places for Saturday football?

Go Trine!!!

It would be pretty cool to see a crowd that large for a D3 game.  As big as Whitewater's stadium is, I was a little disappointed at the crowd size there when Trine played them.  I thought it would be much larger based on how large their school enrollment is. 

I also enjoy the addition of the band at Trine.  It does help add to the game day experience, and should help attendance as well, with all the band parents.  The band gets better every year and it is nice to be able to offer students extra activities.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on May 11, 2011, 09:54:29 PM
Greetings to all....I've been 'lurking' on this board for the last couple of years and wanted to thank all of the regular posters for their insightful comments........I've really enjoyed it......My son was a freshman player at Hope this past year, and it has been a year of learning and understanding Division III football.....so before I said too much (and said something toooo stupid), I wanted to have a little better idea of what was going on (so I only say things less stupid :) ).......

But, the conversation about Hope vs Calvin in football finally got the best of me......I had an opportunity to read the article from the Calvin newspaper and I think that there are a number of faults in the writers logic....for more similar discussion, here is one regarding Nebraska-Omaha's decision to drop football and wrestling (after 3 consecutive DII National Championsips) in their move to D I. (sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6488960).....the net out is that this is a really complicated decision.....politically and financially, and any 'quick' look will certainly have fault.....

Also...I'm pretty sure that the 'draw' to such a game would be quite high....given their close promimity and competitive rivalry, I'm sure it would be the high attendance game for both schools.....This years Trine game did not have as high of attendance as any Hope fan would have wanted to see (especially given the fact that a Hope win would have changed the entire face of the league race), however and  unfortunately, some on campus student homecoming events were scheduled for the same time as the game, which probably affected student attendance....I don't know why that was the case, but I'm sure it affected the crowd....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 11, 2011, 10:52:36 PM
Given that I am not an alum of either Calvin or Hope but love D3 football ... I would pay good money to see that inaugural game ... and some games after that ... and wonder how long it would take Calvin to catch up to Hope on the gridiron.

And I would love to see some IIAC - MIAC football ... except the big lake is in the way and that adds to the travel costs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 11, 2011, 11:31:57 PM
Great comments everyone.  Also, sac - once again you outshine all of us - great job on the historical attendance statistics since 1979.  I'd like to see those from the years 1974-1977 if you have those as well.

Now ThunderHead.  I don't want to get into any arguement with you, so don't take this the wrong way.  I understand your perception of the attendance at the game you mention this year.  However, I can tell you unequivically that the attendance listed is legit.  I have known the SID at Hope for many years since my own playing days and he has also been the MIAA Publicist for decades.  His integrity is above and beyond impeccable and as such, there is no way - NO WAY- he pads or fudges attendance records - what is listed is the actual attendance at games - period.  We've had this discussion in past years when others have challenged that, so I want to be clear on this.

Until the recent poor records, Hope has always had great attendance as sac has noted in the listings.  Again, this is due to the great support of community citizens and the fine relationshiop Hope College has had with the Holland community - much more so compared to the other MIAA cities and I do not mean that as any intended disrespect or negative to those other cities/communities.  Yet, as you mentioned, winning means everything to attendance and I have no doubt that Hope will return to higher home football game attendance (over the 3,000 mark regularly) when we start winning again.  In championship years, you will see that over the 4,000 mark like Trine did this year.  Also, for what it is worth, even Kalamazoo had over 4,000 at its Homecoming game against Hope about 4-5 years ago - and that is a milestone for Kazoo.  The all-time MIAA single game attendance record for football was in the late 1990's at nearly 9,000 for the championshiop game involving Albion @ Alma that year.  A great sight that was to see; but also as we all know, seeing 12,000 at the Monon Bell game (Wabash/DePauw) as Joe Wally can attest to, the same for the Ithaca/Cortland game and the 10,000+ for home games at St. John's are all fantastic sights.  I think that you could see a huge number for a Hope/Calvin game approaching the MIAA record - at least for the inaugaral game.  They did it for basketball - it could be done for football.  And remember, back in my day, Hope basketball was unfortunately not very good.  Again, winning produces the attendance.  One last comment - as I recall, Hope's women's basketball team outdrew Michigan State's women's team for a game this past season or at least equalled them for one gammme) - so that says alot - even if it was only for one game on one particular day.

Anyway, great discussion in all of these topics guys. Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 11, 2011, 11:33:44 PM
DBQ1965:

If they ever have that game and you came to it, we'll make you feel welcome.  I'll treat you to a steak dinner (instead of the old routine hot dog at the game!) :).

Yes, travel costs unfortunately now play a major factor in schedules.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 11, 2011, 11:35:02 PM
hopewatcher:

Welcome to the board!  Great to have you here.  Best wishes to your son for this upcoming season on our team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 11, 2011, 11:40:56 PM
Flying Dutch Fan:

I don't want to "beat a dead horse" regarding this topic as that old saying goes; but I'll just add one more comment.  I agree with you regarding the concussion aspects - that is a ludicrous arguement by the writer regarding Calvin adding football.  You are so correct on the hockey as well as the fact that Calvin's basketball, lacrosse and soccer teams play among the toughest (and yes, meanest ;D) as far as legit contact for many years.  So when Calvin people put forth that arguement against football (and they have in the past), it is disingenuous to say the least - just plain bogus. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 12, 2011, 08:29:35 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 11, 2011, 11:40:56 PM
Flying Dutch Fan:

I don't want to "beat a dead horse" regarding this topic as that old saying goes; but I'll just add one more comment.  I agree with you regarding the concussion aspects - that is a ludicrous arguement by the writer regarding Calvin adding football.  You are so correct on the hockey as well as the fact that Calvin's basketball, lacrosse and soccer teams play among the toughest (and yes, meanest ;D) as far as legit contact for many years.  So when Calvin people put forth that arguement against football (and they have in the past), it is disingenuous to say the least - just plain bogus. :P

Well said!!  If you want to read some additional interesting thoughts on this subject (from several well-respected, long time Calvin fans) take a look on the MIAA basketball board. 

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4596.30120
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on May 12, 2011, 09:58:50 AM
I for one love beating dead horses.  I have to disagree with the assertion that the argument about concussions is ludicrous.

I have absolutely no research to back me on this point except for some quotes from Malcolm Gladwell and my own observation of sporting events over 44 years.  I have played probably two dozen games of organized football in my lifetime....all of which is to say that I am going to hold this position with absolute conviction, and certainty of my correctness, and anyone who disagrees with me is a complete fool.   ;D

As I understand it, the aspect of football that is drawing attention from medical experts is not the massive open field tackle where a player is laid out (although there can clearly be damage there as well).  The more insidious and damaging aspect of the game is the constant sub-concusive hits to the head that occur, probably for every player except the QB, DBs, and wideouts, on absolutely every play.  That is where the real undetected damage is being done.

That sort of constant pounding is not something that you see in any other sport, except maybe rugby.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on May 12, 2011, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 12, 2011, 09:58:50 AM
I for one love beating dead horses.  I have to disagree with the assertion that the argument about concussions is ludicrous.

I have absolutely no research to back me on this point except for some quotes from Malcolm Gladwell and my own observation of sporting events over 44 years.  I have played probably two dozen games of organized football in my lifetime....all of which is to say that I am going to hold this position with absolute conviction, and certainty of my correctness, and anyone who disagrees with me is a complete fool.   ;D

As I understand it, the aspect of football that is drawing attention from medical experts is not the massive open field tackle where a player is laid out (although there can clearly be damage there as well).  The more insidious and damaging aspect of the game is the constant sub-concusive hits to the head that occur, probably for every player except the QB, DBs, and wideouts, on absolutely every play.  That is where the real undetected damage is being done.

That sort of constant pounding is not something that you see in any other sport, except maybe rugby.

which Calvin already sponsors (in club form).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 12, 2011, 11:50:49 AM
Joe Wally:

I understand your point of view.  Yet, my point was not directed at the "problem" of concussions in sports because I agree with you those are major problems facing sports, obviously and particularly, the contact sports.  Rather, my point was that using the "excuse" in and of itself of concussions as one of the major reasons not to add football as a sport is ludicrous.  

I just returned from a major national sports medicine conference in which concussions was one of the major topics and the presentations were by some of the current leading researchers/athletic trainers, team physicians, etc., etc. who are investigating conscussions in all aspects.  Lacrosse is also one of the sports of major concern, not just football and you are correct that it is "hits to the head" (whether inadvertant or not), not the "contact" per se of contact sports that is the problem.  Helmets in any sport do not prevent concussions - they are not designed to nor can ever be designed to do that.  Rather, they are designed to try and limit the effects from head hits.  Lacrosse helmets sole purpose is to protect the head and face from the ball - unlike football helmets, which are designed to not only do that i.e protect the face and head, but lessen the effects of head hits.

I'm sure most of you probably already know this, however, you will see more and more strict guidelines in regards to players not being allowed to return to games the same day with this new research, findings and rules being put int effect by the NCAA, NFL and high school and youth leagues.  As much as I like the hitting aspect of football (yes, I still love a major hit (legal of course ;D), I agree with this new focus and direction in regards to concussions. We are now seeing the effects on players who are years removed from their playing days.  Anyway, just thought I would share some of the above with you and the others.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on May 12, 2011, 12:14:51 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on May 12, 2011, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 12, 2011, 09:58:50 AM
I for one love beating dead horses.  I have to disagree with the assertion that the argument about concussions is ludicrous.

I have absolutely no research to back me on this point except for some quotes from Malcolm Gladwell and my own observation of sporting events over 44 years.  I have played probably two dozen games of organized football in my lifetime....all of which is to say that I am going to hold this position with absolute conviction, and certainty of my correctness, and anyone who disagrees with me is a complete fool.   ;D

As I understand it, the aspect of football that is drawing attention from medical experts is not the massive open field tackle where a player is laid out (although there can clearly be damage there as well).  The more insidious and damaging aspect of the game is the constant sub-concusive hits to the head that occur, probably for every player except the QB, DBs, and wideouts, on absolutely every play.  That is where the real undetected damage is being done.

That sort of constant pounding is not something that you see in any other sport, except maybe rugby.

which Calvin already sponsors (in club form).

KSlappy -

Calvin isn't alone in this - Brandeis, NYU, and Emory in the UAA all have had very active men's and women's rugby programs for many years.

@ Joe Wally - the emboldened phrase now explains a whole bunch of personal issues, and provides me an excuse for future indiscretions.  Dankie!  On my way out to "Old Boy's" practice as soon as I post this - 42 yrs after initial scrumdown, and still brain-dead.   ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on May 12, 2011, 12:17:16 PM
BTW, congrats to the MIAA participants who will undoubtedly pass the Heartland board in total posts this evening - a hearty "well done."   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on May 12, 2011, 12:20:43 PM
I am still working it through in my own head from a legal standpoint, but it seems to me that the problem for an institution that sponsors a football program, or that is looking to sponsor a football program such as Calvin is the issue of liability.

When a kid tears up his knee playing football, the institution pays those medical costs.

If it pays thoses costs, should it not also pay the long term medical costs associated with these concussive injuries.

Moreover, with this ever increasing body of medical data that is tending to substantiate the position that football as it is currently played is a dangerous activity, does an institution that sponsors that activity expose itself to broader liability beyond solely the medical injuries?

If the answer is yes (hell, if the answer is maybe), is that a risk that the institution wants to take?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 12, 2011, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 11, 2011, 11:33:44 PM
DBQ1965:

If they ever have that game and you came to it, we'll make you feel welcome.  I'll treat you to a steak dinner (instead of the old routine hot dog at the game!) :).

Yes, travel costs unfortunately now play a major factor in schedules.

Thanks for the offer of hospitality.  Since I live in GR, I try to make one Hope game each season ... sometimes two ... usually sitting on the visitors' side since I can sit in the top row close to the 50.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 12, 2011, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on May 12, 2011, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 11, 2011, 11:33:44 PM
DBQ1965:

If they ever have that game and you came to it, we'll make you feel welcome.  I'll treat you to a steak dinner (instead of the old routine hot dog at the game!) :).

Yes, travel costs unfortunately now play a major factor in schedules.

Thanks for the offer of hospitality.  Since I live in GR, I try to make one Hope game each season ... sometimes two ... usually sitting on the visitors' side since I can sit in the top row close to the 50.



Can't beat the 50 yard line. We have season tickets for Mount Union on the 40 and that is good condidering the time it takes to inherit 50 yard line seats! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on May 12, 2011, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 12, 2011, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on May 12, 2011, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 11, 2011, 11:33:44 PM
DBQ1965:

If they ever have that game and you came to it, we'll make you feel welcome.  I'll treat you to a steak dinner (instead of the old routine hot dog at the game!) :).

Yes, travel costs unfortunately now play a major factor in schedules.

Thanks for the offer of hospitality.  Since I live in GR, I try to make one Hope game each season ... sometimes two ... usually sitting on the visitors' side since I can sit in the top row close to the 50.

Can't beat the 50 yard line. We have season tickets for Mount Union on the 40 and that is good condidering the time it takes to inherit 50 yard line seats! :)

Interesting...are all seats assigned for Mount Union football games? Everything is GA at Whitewater, first come first serve. All the same ticket price.

I guess I assumed all (or most) of DIII sporting events was GA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on May 12, 2011, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 12, 2011, 12:20:43 PM

Moreover, with this ever increasing body of medical data that is tending to substantiate the position that football as it is currently played is a dangerous activity, does an institution that sponsors that activity expose itself to broader liability beyond solely the medical injuries?

If the answer is yes (hell, if the answer is maybe), is that a risk that the institution wants to take?

Since the risk is due to repeated blows to the head, many of which can not be pinpointed to an exact instance, is the liability to be shared in proportion to the amount of football played at an institution? A player at the DIII level has likely played at least four years of high school prior to arriving on a college campus. Should the institution bear the full liability just because that is likely the player's last stop in his football career?

Tough questions rarely have straight-forward solutions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2011, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 11, 2011, 08:01:41 PM
So I was doing a little skimming a visited some fans sites for St. Johns University and the University of St Thomas. WOW - really cool programs, and GREAT fan support.

Anyone been to any of those places for Saturday football?

Go Trine!!!

St. John's in particular has a great setup and atmosphere, stadium blends into a natural bowl. Fan support is fantastic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2011, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on May 12, 2011, 12:17:16 PM
BTW, congrats to the MIAA participants who will undoubtedly pass the Heartland board in total posts this evening - a hearty "well done."   ;)

Not to rain on a parade here, but the HCAC board mysteriously went away in 2006, losing many pages of posts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 12, 2011, 07:35:59 PM
Pat:
I agree with you.  I have not been to a St. Johns game, however, have seen the photos of those from your site here and also have been enlightened about this by our good friend and poster here Johnny Red.  Indeed, at fantastic atmosphere.  We at Hope can only get a "glimpse" of that when we have crowds of >4,000+! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 12, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
Joe Wally and ziggy:

I am not intending this as being confrontational at all.  Rather, I would like to relate a few comments regarding your posts, if I may.  First, the institutions do not cover the medical costs of a player's injury, at least almost all the the DIII, DII schools that I know of, and for that matter, many of the DI schools do not do this either, including Michigan State University.  I'm sure there are some of the other "big-time" schools that might, although, I do not know specifically to name those that might.  When a player is injured, his medical costs have to go through their his/her parents own medical insurance - this disclaimer, in written form, is given to all student-athletes and their parents even before the time of their sports physicals for the year.  I do know that in some special circumstances, if a players family has no insurance, then the school may assist in covering those costs - however, that is not the "norm".  In addition, most institutions will usually cover up to 20% of, for example, a knee brace or some other such equipment i.e. the remainder of whatever a player's family insurance doesn't cover, you know, the old 80%-20% insurance plans.

As far as legal liability, all schools have catastrophic insurance polies to cover injuries (such as paralysis from cervical/spinal cord injuries) - you have to have such policies in order to sponsor sports), but again, that is not applied to cover a player's injury.  In addition, I would have to disagree with you ziggy regarding any shared liability on the part of the school to players regarding concussions/head injuries.  This is a known inherent risk simply from the fact that it is a contact sport with the potential for such injury and one that anyone who chooses to particpate in does so at their own risk i.e. "implied known consent"   Thus, if one is not willing to take/assume the risk, they should not participate.

And finally, while repeated blows to the head are, indeed, the etiology of known long-term sequelae that occurs, the evidence also shows that this can occur with even one concussion.  Doesn't mean it will, however, again the risk is there. Thanks for a great discussion you guys; this is interesting and certainly relevent to our boards for sure.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 12, 2011, 08:02:34 PM
cave2:

I assume you escaped the sequelae of rugby hits.  Otherwise, you would not be able to post such astute commentary on these boards! ;D  You are a lucky man! :)  Anyway, I hope all is well with you and your wife.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on May 12, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
The universities don't pay when a kid gets hurt on the field.  That is truly shocking to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 12, 2011, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 12, 2011, 10:22:01 PM
The universities don't pay when a kid gets hurt on the field.  That is truly shocking to me.

It is the way it has been "forever".  If you and I think the economic aspects are tough now for any school (and, of course, that situation without question exists :() - it would be truly impossible to afford it if they did.  The athletes are already getting free medical care via the athletic trainers and team physicians who staff the sports medicine/athletic training departments for a school (and those people don't get paid very much, if they get paid at all; and they also have to cover their own liability costs beyond what the school has).  However, an additional tangential aspect to this is that to pay for every injury that required more beyond that (i.e. the training room), would, among other things, drive up tuition for all students even more, at the very least.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on May 13, 2011, 03:22:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2011, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on May 12, 2011, 12:17:16 PM
BTW, congrats to the MIAA participants who will undoubtedly pass the Heartland board in total posts this evening - a hearty "well done."   ;)

Not to rain on a parade here, but the HCAC board mysteriously went away in 2006, losing many pages of posts.

Very true, Pat, and as a participant on that board I can't believe I'd forgotten - perhaps something to that post-trauma, concussion thread.  ;)

Agree with your prognosis, former d3, but "astute" or perhaps more appropriately, "arse-toot?"  Been very lucky head injuries have been limited to multiple nose fractures, and a few cuts - injuries to the major appendages (arms and legs, thank you very much  ;D) are another matter.  ::)  Thanks for your inquiry, and we're both still surviving our experience.

The US Rugby Football Union, as well as all local area unions (LAUs) require proof of insurance for players, regardless of age group, and participation is prohibited without a "CIPP" on file.  Risk is responsibility of the player, though some donor-sponsored funds have been raised on individual basis when needed for injuries deemed life-altering.  The maintenance of this type of program on scale covered by NCAA oversight would be nearly impossible - cost, individual acceptance of risk-consequence, and then toss in potential changes and treatment regimens, courtesy of legislative short-sightedness.   :o

Again, apologies for tangential meanderings away from gridiron.  :-[       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 13, 2011, 03:24:12 AM
cave2bens,

I cannot sleep, why are you up, it is the time zone? ;D +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on May 13, 2011, 06:03:10 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 13, 2011, 03:24:12 AM
cave2bens,

I cannot sleep, why are you up, it is the time zone? ;D +k

Goeiemiddag, Raider;

We're six hours ahead of US EDT in Botswana and Suid Afrika - explains the perceived insomnia, eh? 

In Bloemfontein to watch today's top-ranked, ZA school's match between Afflies and Grey's College before tomorrow night's Cheetahs-Crusaders matchup in the Super 15.  Hope you're back sawin' logs.  ;)

Cheers!

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 13, 2011, 07:47:10 AM
Here's something that I believe was missed in the Calvin Football conversation....

Calvin currently has 9 mens and 9 womens teams, so that would mean another womens team needed to be added. Lacrosse? Then mens lacrosse stays at club status? Not really fair i'd think.

So what other sport? I know Alma added womens bowling to get wrestling.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on May 13, 2011, 08:03:31 AM
Quote from: sflzman on May 13, 2011, 07:47:10 AM
Here's something that I believe was missed in the Calvin Football conversation....

Calvin currently has 9 mens and 9 womens teams, so that would mean another womens team needed to be added. Lacrosse? Then mens lacrosse stays at club status? Not really fair i'd think.

So what other sport? I know Alma added womens bowling to get wrestling.....

Calvin only has 8 men's teams.

Volleyball is the outlier (with no men's counterpart).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on May 13, 2011, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 12, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
Joe Wally and ziggy:

As far as legal liability, all schools have catastrophic insurance polies to cover injuries (such as paralysis from cervical/spinal cord injuries) - you have to have such policies in order to sponsor sports), but again, that is not applied to cover a player's injury.  In addition, I would have to disagree with you ziggy regarding any shared liability on the part of the school to players regarding concussions/head injuries.  This is a known inherent risk simply from the fact that it is a contact sport with the potential for such injury and one that anyone who chooses to particpate in does so at their own risk i.e. "implied known consent"   Thus, if one is not willing to take/assume the risk, they should not participate.

And finally, while repeated blows to the head are, indeed, the etiology of known long-term sequelae that occurs, the evidence also shows that this can occur with even one concussion.  Doesn't mean it will, however, again the risk is there. Thanks for a great discussion you guys; this is interesting and certainly relevent to our boards for sure.  

I did not mean to advance any particular belief, only to raise additional questions if one were to begin with the basis that institutions should somehow be held liable for the ultimate results of concussion(s).

Personally, I would fall on the side of "inherent risk"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 13, 2011, 03:03:50 PM
All this talk about concussions - hot topic I guess.  ;)

Well - here we go, temps getting higher, the grass is starting to get that "summer look" and the cold weather gear is officially put away.

Fellas - we're getting closer day by day - can't wait. Hope everyone has an enjoyable weekend.

Go Trine!!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 13, 2011, 04:28:35 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on May 13, 2011, 08:03:31 AM
Quote from: sflzman on May 13, 2011, 07:47:10 AM
Here's something that I believe was missed in the Calvin Football conversation....

Calvin currently has 9 mens and 9 womens teams, so that would mean another womens team needed to be added. Lacrosse? Then mens lacrosse stays at club status? Not really fair i'd think.

So what other sport? I know Alma added womens bowling to get wrestling.....

Calvin only has 8 men's teams.

Volleyball is the outlier (with no men's counterpart).

Correct me if I'm wrong (because I have been many times before ;D ;D ;D)

1. Baseball
2. Basketball
3. XC
4. golf
5. Hockey
6. Soccer
7. Swim
8. Tennis
9. Track
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 13, 2011, 04:44:24 PM
Hockey is only a club sport at Calvin (Hope too).  Club sports are not part of the equation
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 13, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
If I recall correctly, there has been some discussion on here about both Hope and Calvin going varsity in hockey - any updates?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 13, 2011, 04:57:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 13, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
If I recall correctly, there has been some discussion on here about both Hope and Calvin going varsity in hockey - any updates?

Not to my knowledge.  If I were a betting man, I would think we might see varsity lacrosse first at Hope - given that you could add both the mens and womens teams and maintain the "balance". 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 13, 2011, 05:12:09 PM
Yeah, I think I may have mixed it up with discussion of LaX going varsity. :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 13, 2011, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 13, 2011, 04:57:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 13, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
If I recall correctly, there has been some discussion on here about both Hope and Calvin going varsity in hockey - any updates?

Not to my knowledge.  If I were a betting man, I would think we might see varsity lacrosse first at Hope - given that you could add both the mens and womens teams and maintain the "balance". 

...or they could be like Adrian and add women's hockey.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 13, 2011, 08:34:28 PM
FDF, Mr. Ypsi, sflzman and sac:

In regards to your questions/comments, here is the current status.  Actually, hockey and lacrosse are a part of the equation.

1) Currently at Hope, hockey and lacrosse are actually "virtual varisty", which is a distanct difference than simply a club sport designation, as are most club sports at other NCAA schools, regardless of division.  Univ. of Michigan's lacrosse team is the same also i.e. "virtual varisty".  That means that those sports are essentially run exactly like the other varsity sports offered by those institutions with the exception being that the college doesn't completely fund the sport.  These aspects include, for example, at Hope, the College pays for all of the ice arena time, the head coach is paid (sometimes assistant coaches might receive a very small stipend), the College paid for jerseys and new helmets, the team gets to use the official college team buses for away games; the rules are governed by the national and league organization that same as NCAA rules  including academic parameters concerning eligibility maintanence, also, all other governing rules as the NCAA.  The College also oversees and has control over the $, although the student-athletes do have to "pay to play" also as well as fundraising, much of which is done by the parents booster groups, although again, with College administration oversight.  Also, the athletic director has oversight and control, and while athletic training staff is not permitted to cover the team due to its not being an "official varsity status" sport, the athletic director still helps out in assistance in making sure that proper medical coverage is provided for home contests - the team medical staff is approved by them, although chosen by the coaches as well.  

2) This is the exact same status as the lacrosse programs at Hope; i.e. for men's lacrosse (head coach paid, uniforms, use of travel vans, soccer/acrosse stadium, $ oversight, etc., etc.).

3) Lacrosse at Hope will be designated as "full varisty" before hockey (although I do not know why they just don't do it for hockey now - there are enough DIII hockey teams such like Adrian participates with that it could be done - the hockey team travels a lot already.  I'm sure there could be some type of arrangement, within the NCAA rules, of course, that might allow some fundraising as it is done now, again provided it is done under the watchful eye, auspices of the College, to help defray the cost of the program, if the college didn't want to fund the entire aspect.  But then again, if you have an arean that is already paid for like Adrian's, the cost is already covered, again by bringing in the student-athletes (as has already been discussed by other posters such as cav2 and is proven by Adrian's example) and also renting out the arena to the public to add additional revenue,

At any rate, lacrosse for the MIAA is to be full varisty after next year i,.e. 2013 - it was supposed to be for next year, however, the reason for this latest delay is because the Midwest Lacrosse League will not let Adrian, Trine and Albion out of their league commitments until those are through.  That is why Alma will be an independent in lacrosse for next year (and Olivet if they add lacrosse as they've already said they are going to do). IMO, Hope cdertainly could go full varsity lacrosse now in both men's and women's as independents, however, it is my understanding that the College administration prefers to wait until it is for all the MIAA.  It worked fine for Albion in going varsity lacrosse and our lacrosse team was way better than theirs when they were in the CCLA with us. Yet, on the other hand, they dropped their club hockey program, although I believe that was more due to having a tough time getting ice time at the arena in Jackson (no nearby "in-town" ice arena like Hope, Calvin and Grand Valley State has for their hockey programs).

4) As far as the Title IX issues, at least for Hope, that is actually not an issue because they already have a very succesful established women's lacrossse team.  I can't speak for Calvin, but if they wanted to do hockey (which their program is an established and good one), then they certainly could add women's lacrosse to account for that whether they elevated hockey to full varisty or lacrosse as is planned - at least to start out with.

So no Mr. Ypsi you did not mess (mix) the discussion up! ;D

And FDF, yes you will win the bet as lacrosse is scheduled to go varsity before hockey at Hope. (and not Mr. Ypsi)   Admittedly, however, it will probably and unfortunately be quite some time before hockey is granted full stats, but...they have an excellent program and that,too, like lacrosse, is now highly supported by the administration as they've seen it is run the right way and those programs extremely successful in recent years as they've been improved.

So there you have it. ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 14, 2011, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 13, 2011, 04:44:24 PM
Hockey is only a club sport at Calvin (Hope too).  Club sports are not part of the equation

Ok. Thought the ACHA counted even though it isn't an NCAA team.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 15, 2011, 07:17:45 AM
Hey Pat.  Just curious, but on your front page regarding the section on this fall's schedules, the photo shows Reeves Field.  Which college is this at?  Looks like a very nice facility.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 15, 2011, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 15, 2011, 07:17:45 AM
Hey Pat.  Just curious, but on your front page regarding the section on this fall's schedules, the photo shows Reeves Field.  Which college is this at?  Looks like a very nice facility.   

Geneva College, Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 15, 2011, 08:08:33 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on May 15, 2011, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 15, 2011, 07:17:45 AM
Hey Pat.  Just curious, but on your front page regarding the section on this fall's schedules, the photo shows Reeves Field.  Which college is this at?  Looks like a very nice facility.   

Geneva College, Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania.

Thanks DBQ1965!  Really nice.  I'm glad they came over to the NCAA a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 15, 2011, 11:13:06 AM
Great discussions this time of year! Thanks, I am learning alot. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 15, 2011, 02:22:39 PM
Well, with the last spring team from Alma being eliminated yesterday, I think it's fitting to be back in a helmet  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 15, 2011, 02:34:01 PM
Yes, me too, Raider68! :)

sflzman:
Welcome back to "The Helmet Club"! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 15, 2011, 03:47:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 15, 2011, 02:34:01 PM
Yes, me too, Raider68! :)

sflzman:
Welcome back to "The Helmet Club"! :)
Quote from: sflzman on May 15, 2011, 02:22:39 PM
Well, with the last spring team from Alma being eliminated yesterday, I think it's fitting to be back in a helmet  ;D

Having some problems with my Helmet, I do not like the look of it, looks like it was flattened. It is not the same size as formerd3db, or sflzman, which it should be.

Any suggestions? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 15, 2011, 05:08:04 PM
Raider68:
When did that happen?  I am afraid I am not the one to be able to help you, as much as I'd like to.  I am a "computer illiterate" - remember, you and sflzman were the ones who helped me obtain the Hope helmet picture for my posting profile here.  Perhaps slfzman can help you.  The only suggestion I can think of is for you to start from scratch - take it down and reload it from your source. 

sflzman and others - help please :)!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 15, 2011, 05:31:22 PM
Here is another file of the Mt. Union helmet.....hope this one works, it is the same place I have gotten mine, and the other ones I have posted from:

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/mtUFootball.GIF
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on May 15, 2011, 07:33:52 PM
I have what may be a silly question related to the discussion about equity in the number of sports and Title IX.....For some reason I thought Title IX only applied to institutions that received Federal Aid and that it reuired equal opportunity, not an equal number of teams....so, for example, the test for Division I teams, would be equal scholoarship opportunites for men and women, and equal teatment of teams (equipment, travel, facilities etc)....I'm sure its more complicated than that, but the reason that I am asking is that the conversation is related to number of teams for men and women for Division III schools .....is that a legal/NCAA requirement (i.e. equality is measured in number of teams for each gender) or is it schools meeting a fairness obligation in providing equal opportunities?......Please understand that I am in favor of equal opportunities, but the answer may shape the reasons and timing for adding sports, or having to add them in 'pairs'......so, would Calvin be required to add a wonen's team if they added football...could they add 100 more women's opportunities, or would they only need to consider adding women's opportunities in the spirit of fairness? I may have all of this wrong, but was just wondering......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 15, 2011, 09:32:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on May 15, 2011, 05:31:22 PM
Here is another file of the Mt. Union helmet.....hope this one works, it is the same place I have gotten mine, and the other ones I have posted from:

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/mtUFootball.GIF

slfzman,

Thanks so much for your help! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 16, 2011, 06:31:30 AM
Hope Football's 2011 pre-season roster has been updated.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/

The 2011 Freshman class looks solid with good numbers, some big name high schools represented, and some nice size as well!  I can't wait to see these guys develope over the next 4 years!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 16, 2011, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on May 16, 2011, 06:31:30 AM
Hope Football's 2011 pre-season roster has been updated.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/

The 2011 Freshman class looks solid with good numbers, some big name high schools represented, and some nice size as well!  I can't wait to see these guys develope over the next 4 years!

If these guys stick, Hope has significantly increased its out of state representation.  I got a quick count of 10 from the Frosh.




Also, Hope now has 3 kids from the same town of Twin Lake.........all 3 went to different high schools.  (Holton, Musk. Reeths-Puffer, Whitehall)

God bless school of choice.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on May 16, 2011, 08:14:28 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on May 16, 2011, 06:31:30 AM
Hope Football's 2011 pre-season roster has been updated.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/

The 2011 Freshman class looks solid with good numbers, some big name high schools represented, and some nice size as well!  I can't wait to see these guys develope over the next 4 years!

Best of luck this Fall, Dutch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 16, 2011, 08:59:43 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 15, 2011, 05:08:04 PM
Raider68:
When did that happen?  I am afraid I am not the one to be able to help you, as much as I'd like to.  I am a "computer illiterate" - remember, you and sflzman were the ones who helped me obtain the Hope helmet picture for my posting profile here.  Perhaps slfzman can help you.  The only suggestion I can think of is for you to start from scratch - take it down and reload it from your source. 

sflzman and others - help please :)!


formerd3db,

I first used an URL from Mtunionfooball.com, but since Ric is no longer
keeping the site going ( It was great while it lasted, Ric did  a great job),
It did not work, then I tried Helmet Project, but the image was flattened, but sflzman saved the day! ;D +k for your efforts as well! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 16, 2011, 12:52:47 PM
Hey all,

Hope everyone had a great weekend. I did check out the Hope roster, and while I don't know anything about any of the kids coming in to Hope, it seems the Hope people think it's a good class. That's great for the conference as more athletes look at D3 football as a viable place to continue their playing career.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 16, 2011, 04:00:53 PM
Raider68:
Glad sflzman was able to help you out.  You are back to normal now! ;D  BTW, I didn't realize that Ric is no longer doing his Mount Union football website.  That is a shame because he did a fantastic job - it was excellent.  Did he just decide it was too much work?  If that was the case, I certainly understand.

Also, to all:

For sure, the Hope pre-season roster looks promising.  There are some larger linemen it appears, of which we can certainly use the help.  Yet, as I'm sure you will all agree, it will remain to be seen how much such freshman lineman might be able to help/contribute immediately.  Even at the small college level, it is a huge step up from the h.s. game in that regard.  I also noticed there were a couple of QB recruits with good size.  Perhaps we might have a QB competition going on for the starting position?  Although, as sflzaman has previously pointed out, it is difficult for freshman to steop in immediately, yet once in awhile, you will have one that can.  Anyway, we'll have to see what transpires with all of this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 16, 2011, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on May 16, 2011, 08:14:28 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on May 16, 2011, 06:31:30 AM
Hope Football's 2011 pre-season roster has been updated.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/

The 2011 Freshman class looks solid with good numbers, some big name high schools represented, and some nice size as well!  I can't wait to see these guys develope over the next 4 years!

Best of luck this Fall, Dutch!

Thanks, Joe Wally. Same to your "Bash for this year! :) Thanks for participating on our board also.  I occasionally do over on yours as well. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 16, 2011, 04:07:06 PM
hopewatcher:
Welcome to the MIAA board.  You join another "newbe" Hope poster FD56.  Regarding your question, I should know the answer to that, however, I don't recall right now regarding the exact wording.  DI is probably slightly different as you have mentioned.  I believe, however, that at DIII, the number of sports offered has to be equal for both men and women (doesn't have to be the same sport offered i.e. for example a college could add women's field hockey and men's lacrosse, etc.).  Perhaps some of our more informed/more astute posters can help us out here.  I don't have a copy of the NCAA manual at my perusal right at the moment.  Anyone? ???

ThunderHead:

Hope's recruits (at least on paper) seem to be promising. We'll need that consistently to get back to the level we used to be at, to again challenge (and beat ;D) your Trine guys!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 16, 2011, 04:27:26 PM
Yes, you're right with the last statement.

The number of sports have to be even, but the sports not alike.

Alma innitially couldn't find a Wlax coach, and there was talk about adding competitive cheer instead....

So the new sports could have been:
Men
Wrestling
Lax
Women
Cheer
Bowling


But, that has been avoided and there is lacrosse instead of cheer like originally planned.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 16, 2011, 05:33:24 PM
FormerD3er,

Glad that you're happy with the incoming recruits. And there would be nothing I would enjoy more then seeing the MIAA improve, including Hope. I don't like watching blowouts and think that one sided scores are not good for our brand of football. (and by this I am not speaking of just Trine, I'm talking about any game any where)

At Trine we also will have a QB battle, as well as with several other spots. All in all though, I'm confident the coaches will do what is necessary to stay on top of the MIAA and make a serious run at a National Championship within the next few years.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 19, 2011, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: sac on May 06, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
I think the point was more that UM and MSU aren't exactly going directly head-to-head for players, and when they have Michigan has won those battles more frequently.   Even in the one year MSU definitively had the upper hand in this State they were even head-to-head.  THAT is contradictory to the "MSU is dominating in-state recruiting theories".

Both schools have done a very good job outside the state, but both have lost a lot of good football players from Michigan who chose to go elsewhere.   Ingrahm, Barksdale, Ronald Johnson----Bama, LSU and USC, all 3 drafted in the NFL.

The difference between the programs seems to be the players that have come from out-of-state.

3-0 has much more to do with complete and utter defensive coaching incompetence from one of these schools than any big difference in talent.

Nice article here that confirms some of your observations, SAC   

http://detnews.com/article/20110519/SPORTS0201/105190355

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 19, 2011, 03:43:42 PM
The Detroit Free Press backing up Michigan Football??? WOW  :o

That's like Fox backing up O'Riley.  ::)

Here's some other headlines from the DFP

MICHIGAN MAKES AMAZING COMEBACK VS SPARTANS
but loses to msu in overtime

MICHIGAN SETS ATTENDANCE RECORD VS SPARTANS
but loses football game

FORICER BURNS MSU ON OPENING DRIVE
then gets picked off and loses game

MICHIGAN HIRES FOOTBALL GOD HOKE
dantonio wins big ten


Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 19, 2011, 04:01:10 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 19, 2011, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: sac on May 06, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
I think the point was more that UM and MSU aren't exactly going directly head-to-head for players, and when they have Michigan has won those battles more frequently.   Even in the one year MSU definitively had the upper hand in this State they were even head-to-head.  THAT is contradictory to the "MSU is dominating in-state recruiting theories".

Both schools have done a very good job outside the state, but both have lost a lot of good football players from Michigan who chose to go elsewhere.   Ingrahm, Barksdale, Ronald Johnson----Bama, LSU and USC, all 3 drafted in the NFL.

The difference between the programs seems to be the players that have come from out-of-state.

3-0 has much more to do with complete and utter defensive coaching incompetence from one of these schools than any big difference in talent.

Nice article here that confirms some of your observations, SAC   

http://detnews.com/article/20110519/SPORTS0201/105190355




Add CB Terry Richardson, Cass Tech to UM's haul, who committed this morning.

That makes it 6-0 in-state head-to-head, 9-0 including out-of-state
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 19, 2011, 04:01:59 PM
The omissions from the article say more than the content that is actually included.

- They're quick to say that RB wasn't offered by UM, but fail to mention there is probably no family as synonymous with MSU football as the Bulloughs. An offer from UM would be a waste of a stamp.

- They fail to mention that the UM teams that lost to MSU the last 3 years were made up of higher rated kids than the MSU teams providing the beat downs.

- And then there's this line: "Look at who they got," Wilcher said. "They're mostly defensive players." Of course it would be too much rational journalism to follow up on that quote by pointing out the drastic differences in the defenses of last year's UM and MSU teams, clearly giving UM all of the playing time in the world to offer these guys. But now, they instead want to have a pro-UM coach slurp Mattison.

The Mattison slurp-fest is eerily similar to the Barwis slurp-fest from 3 years ago.

This is a very near sighted approach. An approach Michigan fans took when Dantonio started winning the recruiting battles. It leads to wins eventually because talent wins out.

With that said, funny how the Detroit News wasn't quick to point this out when MSU was doing it. Is the sky falling? No. Is this nothing to be concerned about? No. Somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 19, 2011, 05:09:49 PM
I think you are scrounging to look for ommisions because you don't like reading what WAS included in the article. 

All I remember was this chirping on how michigan state out-recruits Michigan in-state, and now that is no longer true.  So Michigan out-recruits msu in-state AND out of state.

Yep, Michigan got a LOT of solid defensive talent.  That was neglected for the last three years and now the current coaching staff addressed the need.  Defense wins championships, something Rich Rod failed to recognize.

No, the acknowledgement of Mattison's influence (a defensive coordinator) is not nearly comparable to a strength and conditioning coach and I am surprised you even tried to go that route.  Recruits weren't claiming they came to Michigan because of Barwis like they are for Mattison.  You should know better.  I will take a pro defensive coordinator over a strength coach any day. 

Funny how the coaching change at Michigan wipes out Dantonio in the recruiting wars, and Dantonio had X number of years head start on Hoke establishing his reputation.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on May 19, 2011, 07:47:39 PM
My daughter graduated from Hope College on 5-8-11...great school...was a wonderful day for the graduation and I am so proud of her...She really had a wonderful experience there...

Hope College can be found in the book ...40 Colleges That Will Change Your Life ...by Lauren Pope

"Hoping" the football team takes a step up this year...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 19, 2011, 10:26:58 PM
DadofBashWarrior:

Congratulations on your daughter's recent graduation.  Indeed, you all had a beautiful day for graduation.  Our neighbors daughter graduated there the same day as yours.  I am glad your daughter had a wonderful experience at Hope.  Of course, any of these small colleges provide a memorable and unique experience for our young people regardless of what our own alma maters are.  Both my wife and I as well as both of our daughters are Hope grads and while deep down we wanted them to go to Hope - and, of course, are glad they chose to do so - we did not push them towards that whatsoever.  We took them to many different colleges and universities (both big and small) and in the end, let them make their own decision. Hope is not for everyone, just like any school, yet each young person has to evaluate all the various factors involved after seeing campuses, talking with former and current students, etc., etc..  Anyway, I'm glad your daughter found the right fit.  Hope indeed is a special place, although so is Wabash.  Again, congrats to her and your family and all the best for the next chapter in her life.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 19, 2011, 11:14:53 PM
Uncle Rico,

I'll I was saying was Barawis did get a lot of HYPE...a LOT of hype. You're less educated then I thought if you deny this in anyway. Heck, U of M sold their entire weight room on this guys whims. And I know of one recruit in particular who went to Michigan specifically because of what Barawis was going to do for him, all things equal, he felt the strength Coach at U of M would make the biggest difference for his NFL dreams.

SPEAKING of ex-NFL Defense Coordinators - you just got rid of one who won TWO super bowls. Greg Robinson was defensive coordinator for three teams in the National Football League: the Kansas City Chiefs under Dick Vermeil, the Denver Broncos under Mike Shanahan, where his team won two Super Bowl championships in 1997 and 1998, and the New York Jets under Pete Carroll. So it's not unrealistic to believe that an athlete felt he was going to get coached up by the best on the field with Coach Robinson, and looked at the strength and conditioning department as an evaluation tool. Again, I personally know several recruits who do exactly that, when all things are equal.

I definitely applaud Coach Hoke and his recruiting efforts in Michigan. He's doing very well, and I think that's great, maybe Michigan can again become at least competitive in the Big Ten.

Now this all said, lets NOT for get that RR out recruited Coach D EVERY year according the the experts, and yet 3-0. Again it's about what the guys do when they GET TO SCHOOL, not about what they did IN HIGH SCHOOL. That doesn't equal wins. Like I've said 100 times, and like you guys ignore 100 times, MSU was better at at least 16 of 22 positions on the field last season, plus special teams. So you can't say - not in a MILLION years - that the talent was equal. That my friend, is ridiculous. MSU was flat out more talented and as hard as is it for you U of M fans to admit, it's the truth. AGAIN - SCOREBOARD.

Lets also not forget that Hemholt has always been a big Michigan fan, that's not debatable. His view is incredibly slanted. Matt Dorsey at the DFP may have an entirely different view, given he's a pro-MSU guy and covers MSU recruiting, yet I noticed they didn't bother getting his thoughts for the article.

Coach D is bringing in the guys he wants, he will continue to build the Spartans into a solid program the right way. I can see why Hoke is attractive to recruits, he's got all kinds of available playing time to offer. MSU does not.

ANYWAY Uncle Rico - seeing how we're throwing speculation around for fact, let me give you this speculatory fact. MSU will beat Michigan this year...again. Then next year MSU will again...beat Michigan. The following year Michigan may - may, be able to hang with the Spartans.

Until then - enjoy wishing on the "stars"  ;)

Go Trine!!!

ps - I still got your back on anything Trine.  8-) I realize we're just having some fun.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 19, 2011, 11:58:58 PM
The Lansing State Journal printed this article in Sunday's addition, it was a little longer than the online version, and the 'Michigan State' in the headline is just the header for the online section it came from.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20110514/GW01/105140325/MSU-football-U-M-off-quick-start-recruits?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|GreenAndWhite|s

So its not just your so called pro-Michigan writers who have noticed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 20, 2011, 12:03:01 AM
Thunderhead,

I can't believe ANYONE would defend Greg Robinson!  He took a mediocre defense and made it THE worst in the country!  Did HE take too many hits to the head? :P

I guarantee that the Michigan defense will be vastly better than it has been lately with the new regime.  I also confidently predict that UM will beat MSU either this year or next (and hope for both). ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 20, 2011, 12:08:48 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 19, 2011, 11:14:53 PM

SPEAKING of ex-NFL Defense Coordinators - you just got rid of one who won TWO super bowls. Greg Robinson was defensive coordinator for three teams in the National Football League: the Kansas City Chiefs under Dick Vermeil, the Denver Broncos under Mike Shanahan, where his team won two Super Bowl championships in 1997 and 1998, and the New York Jets under Pete Carroll. So it's not unrealistic to believe that an athlete felt he was going to get coached up by the best on the field with Coach Robinson, and looked at the strength and conditioning department as an evaluation tool. Again, I personally know several recruits who do exactly that, when all things are equal.


All of this is fine, but Robinson was a notoriously bad recruiter......partially the reason Syracuse fell off the map when he became the head coach.   When it comes to recruiting Michigan went from one of the worst to one of, if not, the best with the hire of Mattison.



Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 20, 2011, 12:03:01 AM
Thunderhead,

I can't believe ANYONE would defend Greg Robinson!  He took a mediocre defense and made it THE worst in the country!  Did HE take too many hits to the head? :P

I guarantee that the Michigan defense will be vastly better than it has been lately with the new regime.  I also confidently predict that UM will beat MSU either this year or next (and hope for both). ;D

Given your track record, please refrain from these type of predictions involving anything to do with any sports team I love.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 20, 2011, 12:29:22 AM
Now, sac, I predicted the Tigers would win it all in 1984 (in MAY), and that Hope (and IWU) would make the FF in women's bb this year.  I admit that I muffed it on Hope (and about 389 other predictions), but I am SO close to getting it! :o ::)

BTW, the Pistons are gonna use a special exemption to sneak into the playoffs and win it all - and the Red Wings are gonna hoist (or heist ;)) the Cup! :o ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 20, 2011, 01:06:59 AM
At 35-5 I think you were not alone in that prediction.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 20, 2011, 06:27:33 AM
I have two MIAA related football questions that might spark some interest....

1.  Why does Trine often use a formation with an extra O-lineman on one side of the line and then put 1 O-lineman and a tight-end on the other?  What is the benefit of that?  I have my ideas, but I would like to hear other's thoughts....

2.  Most of the MIAA schools run a traditional 4-3-4 defense.  Hope runs a 4-2-5 defense which allows for everything a 4-3 does and more (moving players around more creating assignment confusion by the offense, covering up/ hiding various stunts/ blitzes, covering the spread better etc....).  You may call me biased, but I went up against every defense in the league and Hope's every day in practice (I was on the OL) and in my humble opinion the 4-3-5 is much more un-predictable/ tougher to play against and flexible to what an offense throws at them than a 4-3-4.  Please do not think I am bashing the 4-3 either - that is not my intention. 

Have a great weekend all!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 20, 2011, 07:44:23 AM
Adrian runs a 4-4, and Alma also runs more of a 4-4 look with Scotty Cole at the Rover position, he is often up closer to the line....

I'm sure it's beneficial for Hope to run a base D with 5 DB's when 5 team's in the conference average over 220 passing yards in conference play....

But either way you've still got to line line up and stop the ball, and in the end it really doesn't matter what formation your base D is, because you always have personel changes, and different defensive packages as the game goes on....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 20, 2011, 09:11:15 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 19, 2011, 03:43:42 PM
The Detroit Free Press backing up Michigan Football??? WOW  :o

That's like Fox backing up O'Riley.  ::)

Here's some other headlines from the DFP

MICHIGAN MAKES AMAZING COMEBACK VS SPARTANS
but loses to msu in overtime

MICHIGAN SETS ATTENDANCE RECORD VS SPARTANS
but loses football game

FORICER BURNS MSU ON OPENING DRIVE
then gets picked off and loses game

MICHIGAN HIRES FOOTBALL GOD HOKE
dantonio wins big ten


Go Trine!!!

Nicely done.  Go Spartans ... and I don't mean MSU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 20, 2011, 11:52:35 AM
I hear ya sflzman and I totally agree that throughout each game the situation does/ can change and the defense needs to adapt (which is why I like the way Hope runs the 4-2-5 and I'll try to explain below). 

Moving to a 4-3/4-4 with complete ease is another reason I like the 4-2-5 and think its as flexible/ unpredictable as a defense can get.  I say that b/c Hope doesn't use 5 true DB's in the back-field, two of the players are linebacker/ DB hybrids if you will (how they are used and their size, speed, etc).  Meaning they can drop into any coverage needed (They are listed as safety's) but at the same time they can set up in the box to help stuff the run, making the defense a 4-3 or 4-4 without changing personal or being threatened to expose the pass defense verses putting in a more standard linebacker type that can only cover the flats more or less on a pass play.  This also can confuse offenses/ blocking schemes as they could line up in a 4-4 but fall back into a cover set or on the other end of the spectrum they could be set up in what appears to be a pass coverage set but the play call for them is to play the run and be linebackers, etc....This also give additional options for various stunts and blitzes as these guys can cover the gaps left by linebackers and D-lineman doing blitzes and twists/ stunts. 

Just my two cents.......

Thanks for the response!  Hopefully someother guys will weight in also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 20, 2011, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on May 20, 2011, 06:27:33 AM
I have two MIAA related football questions that might spark some interest....

1.  Why does Trine often use a formation with an extra O-lineman on one side of the line and then put 1 O-lineman and a tight-end on the other?  What is the benefit of that?  I have my ideas, but I would like to hear other's thoughts....

2.  Most of the MIAA schools run a traditional 4-3-4 defense.  Hope runs a 4-2-5 defense which allows for everything a 4-3 does and more (moving players around more creating assignment confusion by the offense, covering up/ hiding various stunts/ blitzes, covering the spread better etc....).  You may call me biased, but I went up against every defense in the league and Hope's every day in practice (I was on the OL) and in my humble opinion the 4-3-5 is much more un-predictable/ tougher to play against and flexible to what an offense throws at them than a 4-3-4.  Please do not think I am bashing the 4-3 either - that is not my intention.  

Have a great weekend all!

As for Trine - I won't pretend to know, other then my thoughts are it has a little to do with creating an odd/even advantage regarding the horizontal stretch of the field.

Regarding the 4-2-5, if Hope runs a hybrid then it's really not a 4-2-5 true, it's more of a hidden 4-4 in my opinion. I think again it all goes back to attack point. Trine wants to spread people out and create space, the football field can be broken up into as many as 12 zones, and no defense can cover the entire field regarding the vertical and horizontal stretch. So - it's all about finding that zone advantage for the offense.

Defensively if you're hiding blitz and coverage packages, you still have to deal with uncovered gaps on the stretch routes. So a good QB/Receiver combo can expose those plots, but obviously if they don't - the defense is going to make a "big" play.

The 4-3 true, has it's advantages against the double tight formations, while it's not as good against 4 or 5 wide stretches where the backers have to walk out, and drop. This said a 4-2-5 true, is not designed to handle the outside gaps well in run based offensive attacks, in my experience. The 4-4 can be very versatile, and yet if you're going that route, you better have 7 studs, (your four backer, two DE's and 1 lock down corner).

Again, just my opinion.

And DBQ1965 - thanks for seeing the humor. The other guys are great at skimming over my posts and then making me repeat an already stated point, to counter their new excuses and daydreams about Michigan football.  :) So - threw that in there for fun.

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 20, 2011, 12:57:34 PM
ThunderHead ...

Thanks.  Given their sometimes dismal and sometimes "oh so close" record ... University of Dubuque football fans have to keep a sense of humor.

Go Spartans!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 20, 2011, 01:00:44 PM
Hey DBQ1965,

Isn't Conner Dixon there as a QB? Or am I thinking of a different school. Close in name perhaps? I don't know, for some reason it rings a bell.

Also - I can't help but notice people keep digging me for my position on a post, rather then the post. It's cool, I don't much care, it just goes to show maturity around here with some "unnamed" people.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 20, 2011, 01:06:25 PM
Thunderhead thanks for your thoughts -  you are correct its more of a hidden 4-4 based on stopping the run (when the game calls for it), which I consider part of the advantage, but again it can go back to a 4-2-5 just as quickly (Which I also consider part of the advantage).  The same personal can run the 4-2-5 or the 4-4-3 the way Hope runs it.  Its ability to adapt quickly (as the play is unfolding) is what makes it special in my mind.  Also yes of course, anytime a blitz or stunt play is called there is the risk/ reward factor for a defense regardless of the formation so that doesn't make Hope's hybrid 4-2-5 different, but what the defense does do is help mask or hide those exposed gaps to create those blitz advantages, no different in theory than Trine's/ Alma's/ Kzoo's offense running a type of spread that is trying to create space - as the spread advantage is putting guys all over the field and making defenses try to create a formation/ game plan that can stop a variety of play's/ formations - so too the 4-2-5 Hybrid that Hope runs creates match up problem's for offenses as the options that can come at you are many.

Great conversation, I really appreciate your comments and these of course are just my humble opinion's as well - its nice to share them in a mature setting!  Is it football season yet?!!???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 20, 2011, 02:01:04 PM
Flying Dutchman56,

I see your points on the 4-2-5, and it definitely has it's place. For instance, I know that John L. Smith had a defensive coordinator at MSU named Chris Smeenland, and he ran along a similar thought process as the one you're describing. He had what he called a "bandit back", this was a roving position that could do anything on the field, he could line up anywhere depending on the offensive formation. He was often viewed as a "wildcard" in defensive sets by offensive coordinators. I believe Sir Darin Adams played this position for Coach Smeeland at MSU, and it was a good fit for him, as Sir D could be fierce on designed attack, very nimble in pass coverage, and he was also strong enough to shed a lead blocker and get the POA for the odd man advantage.

Despite this, MSU had hit or miss success against Big Ten opponents running that system, as QB/Receiver combos and backs often bought enough space to evade the designated POA, despite it's blitz happy possibilities and edge heavy pressure. I attribute this to MSU's lack of a true shut down corner.

Again, I believe you have to have the personal to run the system you want, and while Sir Darin was one piece, you also have to have other pieces of the puzzle to be consistently successful.

In the case of a 4-2-5, you must have people you feel comfortable putting on on island per say, and if you don't, and you still want to stick to that system, you need to do an awful lot of window dressing to invite second level misreads and give your boundary corners some help to the middle which can buy your front four an extra step to the POA.

Ultimately it's my experience you run what you can coach, and you recruit what you run. I've seen plenty of examples of solid systems get decimated by inferior opponents because guys simply couldn't coach the system at each position to the level the system required for success. On the other hand I've seen what should be inferior systems destroy superior offensive units because the athletes where coached to the highest level of play within that system and made minimal mistakes because they understood their roll and could pull of their assignments.

So me personally, I feel most comfortable running a 4-4, and staying true to a 4-3 feel, unless my opponent dictates otherwise. But that's because I know every aspect of that system, and I'm confident I can coach that up, and window dress it's weaknesses when needed.

So with that said, although the 4-2-5 may have a lot of options, ultimately the key is having a good 4-2-5 coach, if you don't have that, and the DC is more confident and comfortable with a 4-3, then in the end, the team will have more success with the system he knows, then with the potential success of a system he doesn't know completely.

Hope that makes sense, and again, that's just my experience.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on May 20, 2011, 03:05:45 PM
From what I'm hearing about this defense is that it is flexible and can run many different schemes with the same personel on the field which is great if you only have 11 athletic and smart players playing defense.  this means your asking 11 men to be on the field for extended periods of time all while knowing every single defensive call in the playbook.  Remember defense is often considered the more exausting side of the ball since they are alwasy reacting to the offense and their tempo.

the truth of the matter is it doesnt matter where on the field you put a man but the man that stands in that position.  KISS (Keep It Simple...Silly)  The key to a great defense is depth.  Every man knowing his position and being deep at each position so that they can play hard and play fast!

Now coming from an offensive player, the offense doesnt care who they see in what position. a B gap defender is a B gap defender, cover 3 is cover 3, Sam LB is a Sam LB, and so on and so on.  Sure maybe it helps with disguising but lets remember that offense is smarter than defense and we will figure it out! 

Now as for Trine's use of the extra lineman to the left side and the tight end to the right it is known as goalline formation but is really used at any point in the field.  I remember a game many moons ago where we were in that formation almost the entire game simply because they coudlnt stop it.  I dont want to give anything away as for the use and reason for this formation but just know that it has one!   haha
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on May 20, 2011, 03:06:58 PM
Also Michigan and MSU boys...cant we all just get along!?  Your making me sick with all this talk!  I guess thats what I get for being an Indiana boy in a Michigan boys conference!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 20, 2011, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on May 20, 2011, 03:06:58 PM
Also Michigan and MSU boys...cant we all just get along!?  Your making me sick with all this talk!  I guess thats what I get for being an Indiana boy in a Michigan boys conference!

I'm right there with you, although I'm from Iowa.  Now everybody be nice.

Go Hawkeyes!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 20, 2011, 03:40:32 PM
I agree with you guys on the 11 man theory, depth is key, and thus recruiting is key. However most personnel packs are similar within the secondary unit on most squads I've coached.

Now - as for the theory of a SAM LB being a SAM LB and so fourth, I'd have to disagree with you here. If everything was the same, then you would be playing with robots. Each athlete within a scheme has strengths and weakness, and when you break down film, you defiantly attack defensive units based on personnel as much as on by scheme.

Now I know for a fact at Trine that the coaches do their very best to simply as much as possible, which I'm all in favor of, however the higher you go football, the less simple it gets, and even the simple can be complicated. Coach Sims in particular can speak to this, especially regarding the Need To Know basis, meaning, sometime a QB needs to know a whole lot more then a slot receiver about a certain play call or formation, with the though being lets not confuse guys with things they don't need to know. How much more information is conveyed to a QB vs a WR varies by program and by coach.

As far as the MSU v U of M deal, well to be honest, it's pretty one sided right at the moment. 3-0, soon to be 4-0, but you know - those blue bellies need some form of self fabricated hope. 8-) And lucky for them there are plenty of willing Blue Wall writers to appease them and provide hope, but ultimately it's all about how guys develop within the system. Though that's a mute point with some here.  ;)

Go Trine!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 20, 2011, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on May 20, 2011, 11:52:35 AM
I hear ya sflzman and I totally agree that throughout each game the situation does/ can change and the defense needs to adapt (which is why I like the way Hope runs the 4-2-5 and I'll try to explain below). 

Moving to a 4-3/4-4 with complete ease is another reason I like the 4-2-5 and think its as flexible/ unpredictable as a defense can get.  I say that b/c Hope doesn't use 5 true DB's in the back-field, two of the players are linebacker/ DB hybrids if you will (how they are used and their size, speed, etc).  Meaning they can drop into any coverage needed (They are listed as safety's) but at the same time they can set up in the box to help stuff the run, making the defense a 4-3 or 4-4 without changing personal or being threatened to expose the pass defense verses putting in a more standard linebacker type that can only cover the flats more or less on a pass play.  This also can confuse offenses/ blocking schemes as they could line up in a 4-4 but fall back into a cover set or on the other end of the spectrum they could be set up in what appears to be a pass coverage set but the play call for them is to play the run and be linebackers, etc....This also give additional options for various stunts and blitzes as these guys can cover the gaps left by linebackers and D-lineman doing blitzes and twists/ stunts. 

Just my two cents.......

Thanks for the response!  Hopefully someother guys will weight in also.


I definately agree with those points, and I think that DB/LB hybrid guys are what you'd like in a defense. Pretty much good-sized DBs that aren't afraid to lay a lick on some!  ;D

I also agree with your point on changing up your look with different arrangements even with the same personnel - beleive me, I know the importance of defense at all levels of football, I learned that at a young age with my dad who always was my defensive co-ordinator in pop warner....I remember one year we won a regional championship game 2-0 to put us within a game from the national championship tournament in florida.....

But anyways, I think we are both "singing the same song" (i guess you could say) but coming at it from different angles!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 20, 2011, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on May 20, 2011, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on May 20, 2011, 03:06:58 PM
Also Michigan and MSU boys...cant we all just get along!?  Your making me sick with all this talk!  I guess thats what I get for being an Indiana boy in a Michigan boys conference!

I'm right there with you, although I'm from Iowa.  Now everybody be nice.

Go Hawkeyes!!

Ugh, Iowa! At least you're not a Badgers fan  ;D ;D

Go Gophers!
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 20, 2011, 04:28:44 PM
sflzman,

You'll love Coach Kill. Great coach - better person. You're lucky to have him up there.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 20, 2011, 08:33:47 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 20, 2011, 01:00:44 PM
Hey DBQ1965,

Isn't Conner Dixon there as a QB? Or am I thinking of a different school. Close in name perhaps? I don't know, for some reason it rings a bell.

Also - I can't help but notice people keep digging me for my position on a post, rather then the post. It's cool, I don't much care, it just goes to show maturity around here with some "unnamed" people.

Go Trine!!!

Dixon plays for Duquesne.  Close ... but no cigar.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 20, 2011, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 20, 2011, 04:28:44 PM
sflzman,

You'll love Coach Kill. Great coach - better person. You're lucky to have him up there.

Go Trine!!!

He seems like he should be the right guy! Although thats what they said about Brewster and he was a joke!  ;D

But I do think Kill will turn out much better than Brewster, and I'm glad we have him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 21, 2011, 02:10:34 PM
I didn't know Coach Brewster personally, so I really can't comment on him, other then I'm not sure he understood the Big Ten.

Now Coach Kill, I'm fortunate enough to be able to speak toward him as a person, not just a coach. He's a survivor (cancer) and a winner (every program he's ever been at), he demands much of himself, his staff and his athletes, while at the same time creating relationships and bonds that makes guys wanna put in all kinds of extra effort. (as opposed to resenting him)

He may do some house cleaning, but the guys who stay will become both better athletes and better people. He's first class all the way, I can't say enough good things about him or his character. I have no doubt that within a few years he will have Gopher nation in good shape.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on May 22, 2011, 12:30:58 AM
Hi MIAA fans. I am happy to say that I am going to join your board. Myself and a couple of my buddies are becoming Trine University fans. I have been reading this board for a few weeks and I see that you have many people that know a great deal about football and the MIAA. You have taught me a lot. We are from Wisconsin and look forward to coming to as many games as we can. Nice to meet you all!

Go Thunder
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 22, 2011, 01:44:10 AM
Welcome to the board. Glad you are joining the community.

What part of Wisconsin are you from and are you following anyone in particular at Trine? It's a great program and an exciting time to be a football fan in Angola.

The seasons getting closer and soon enough it will be on us, I personally can't wait! Again, welcome!

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 22, 2011, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on May 22, 2011, 12:30:58 AM
Hi MIAA fans. I am happy to say that I am going to join your board. Myself and a couple of my buddies are becoming Trine University fans. I have been reading this board for a few weeks and I see that you have many people that know a great deal about football and the MIAA. You have taught me a lot. We are from Wisconsin and look forward to coming to as many games as we can. Nice to meet you all!

Go Thunder

Sure you guys don't wanna become Scots fans? I'm kinda a lone ranger on this board  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 22, 2011, 05:24:56 PM
I'll jump in here with a couple of comments regarding a couple of the recent discussions.  First, I don't know Coach Kill, however, I agree with ThunderHead that I think he will do well at Minnesota given his previous records.  I, however, do remember him from his tiime at DII Saginaw Valley State and he did a fine job with that program before moving on back to his native Kansas (and Emporia State) for a couple of years before then going to the Illinois universities as you all already know.  He has done well with every program and stability of his coaching staff i.e. assistants he has had with him for several years has been an important factor, IMO.  I also think that is what helped Ray Smith at Hope when he had his best years, at least in the first two decades.  Minnesota is a difficult place to coach (sflzman knows and can fill us in on that), but again, I think if anyone can have some success there, it will be Kill.

Second, regarding the defenses, some of you will think I am crazy, however, my favorite has been the 5-3 with the nose guard.  Michigan and Hope used to run that.  IMO, even with today's wide-open pass oriented offenses, that defense could do well, although some of you will certainly disagree with me on this.

Last but not least, welcome to you new guys to our board.  The firestorm of posts/discussion here in recent weeks have really been exciting and perhaps more activity than we've ever had in comparison to the early years.  Anyway, if you all keep this up, I can see an even greater fall of discussion than we had last year.  Anyway, talk to you all later.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 22, 2011, 06:03:55 PM
formerD3db,

The 5-3. Boy I think that would be difficult to run in today's spread and isolate offensive world. You're committing 8 to the box, leaving 3 to defend the rest of the field. (assuming you don't walk anyone out or buzz anyone down)

So - while I think the 5-3 had it's day, I'm not sure it could systemically compete in today's game without some major alterations within it's responsibility make-up. I think you would have to have a very old school OC to compete against to bring back the very old school 5-3.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 22, 2011, 06:47:29 PM
ThunderHead:

Oops!  What an idiot I am. ::) :-[ ;D  I meant the 5-2, not 5-3; again, both Michigan and Hope used to run that.  The 5-2 could, indeed, line up with today's spread offenses because you have 4 DB's, one of which is your "Monster Back" or whatever term a team uses for that position.  These 4 are used in essentially the same manner as today's Cover 2 or Cover 3 schemes - Man-to-Man or Zone with good variations in rotations.  With regard to the rotation patterns, IMO, it is much easier to cover the many WR's in the various spread offenses.  Obviously, no defense is perfect or "play proof", however, I think the 5-2 can still be an effective defense in today's game.  Sorry for the error in relating this in my original post.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 22, 2011, 08:39:11 PM
Formerd3db,

Ahhh, the 5-2, well that does make more sense, and yes I believe that could be effective with the right personnel and correct coaching staff.

This said, I might ad, that it's my experience most 4-3 programs do grind in a 5-2 kind of way, when they walk the backer up into an "eagle" (per say) position to the TE side and under roll the A gap defensive interior to the weak side. Teams will then often buzz guys into and out of the box with that look, often for window dressing purposes only.  :)

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 22, 2011, 11:21:22 PM
ThunderHead:

Thanks for the follow-up and I agree with your assessment.  It won't work for every game, which is also another reason why - if at all possible - teams can be great if they can run two different defenses, or at least variations.  Not every team is talented enough to do so, yet, if/when that occurs, they are great teams.  Besides, I love the great middle guards over the years of the various teams that I know of who have run that 5-2 defense.  Two of my all-time favorites and who I think rank among the greatest at that position are...1) Don Warner of Michigan (U of M's "Rudi" and an All-Big Ten player) and 2) the late Dave Yeiter of Hope College, who both played in the 1970's. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 23, 2011, 07:36:13 AM
With all this talk about what is the best defense, I remember my old high school coach (back in the days of black high-tops and leather helmets) saying over and over ... "The best defense is a hard charging line."

GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 23, 2011, 07:48:35 AM
You know, the other defense that I really wonder would work in college is the 1-5-5. I know there was a high school team over in Flint that has used it the last two years, because they are high in speed, but have no size....I can't remember which school right now.

But I wonder if it could work, you obviously need speed, and linebackers that could rush hard, but with all the spread offenses it might not be a bad idea. It also would be interesting to see how an offense would adjust when you potentially could drop 10 guys back in coverage.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 23, 2011, 08:19:06 AM
DBQ1965:
Great quote and so true!

sflzman:
I am originally from Flint, so I should know the answer to that as well, however, admittedly I do not.  Anyway, that sounds like a wild defense and would be neat to see.  I think it just might work against your Alma College's "Scot-Gun" offense!  Perhaps someone should take a chance and try it against Alma - you know, put it in just for that game and only for part of a quarter to see how it goes! :) Seriously.  However, not sure if any H.C. would be willing to do that.  On the other hand, perhaps you could find a crazy coach at some "renegade" college to do it - what the heck! ;D  What would they have to lose, especially if you only tried it for part of a quarter.  Or, in that regard, perhaps one of those new college programs might be the choice to try it since new programs usually don't win very many games in their first year or two.    Anyway, I've never seen that defense but it would be "a blast" to see it just for once.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on May 23, 2011, 05:23:38 PM
Being a Trine graduate, I am now partial to the 3-4. I think you can disguise your look much easier in the 3-4 than you can in the 4-3, 4-4, or even the 4-2-5 and heres why:

1.)In the 4-3, most outside linebackers are limited in what they can do in this system. You are either good at filling gaps or quick enough to get out in coverage, which causes a mismatch in either the run game or pass game.
2.) In the 4-4, your main objective is fill the box and get the ball out of the qb's hand quick to make short pass plays where most of your defenders are. Problem is with spread offenses you don't have enough speed on the field when they stretch you out.
3.)In the 4-2-5, it is very easy to designate the "rover" or whatever the team chooses to name it. And once again, at this level most rovers' skill sets are one way, pass or run. This now creates a weakness because you have to scheme on how to cover that up. If the rover plays back, you audible to a run or something quick. If he is in the box, you go to the other side of the field because you are out leveraged.

I know if you look at each defense they are all basically the same thing just lining up differently and with different personnel but with the 3-4 you can apply a ton of pressure on the qb or still stop the run, the outside linebackers have speed so they can rush off the edge or drop in coverage which helps tremendously against a spread attack. Just my two cents on the topic  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 23, 2011, 06:55:31 PM
I do like the 3-4, but you need one bad a@# Nose to run that effectively. And I mean - one that's bad bad Leroy Brown bad... ;)

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 23, 2011, 08:53:29 PM
Have not had much time for the boards, due to selling house and moving, but the dialogue that I have seen is great! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 23, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
Raider68:
I wondered where you had been.  I knew that you were moving, although actually I thought you were done with the process and perhaps you and your wife were on vacation.  Glad to have you back (and lurking around when you are not!).

Diezel1:
Good comments.

ThunderHead:
Yes, for sure, one has to have a touch nose guard and one that is really fast for those defenses that utilize that position.  You can't have a "panzy" or a sieve there - they'll get killed or get someone else killed - like us poor db's! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 23, 2011, 09:41:59 PM
Raider68 - Glad you're well, I hope your move went well. I've done that a few times, it can be a bit stressful, especially if the wife ain't happy.  ;)

formerd3db: Funny you say "poor" DB, when I broke into coaching I was assigned Corner backs, and let me tell you, some of the craziest SOB's I ever met in life where 5 foot nothing 100 and nothing corners. Flat out nut cases that went 150 mph every where, including into the back of some poor 6'4'' QB's mid-section. (they loved the old Corner fire)

I will admit though I never had more fun in my life then when I was coaching corner backs, they live hard and player hard, and can trash talk with the best of them. The first, and I mean FIRST question I was asked on the first day of meetings before practice started was this: "Coach what's your policy on trash talking?"

To which I replied "I don't know, what's your policy on backing up your trash talk?"

I only got a BIG  ;D back - good times.

SO I've got a lotta respect for you guys in the backfield.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 23, 2011, 11:10:07 PM
ThunderHead:

Thanks for a great post re: db's! :)  That is very neat and I know exactly what you mean.  What you relate is so true; at Hope back in my day and thereafter, we had some of the very same type (and size ;D) of CB's - indeed, those guys were crazy!  They were very, very good, so much so, that there was a string of some 12 years or so (I can't remember the exact # without looking it up in the record book right now) in which those we had at least one of those "smaller guys"i.e. a db selected to the ALL-MIAA first team defense every year.  I was actually a free safety but I guess I kind of fit the mode because I loved to free roam and hit people as a "head-hunter" (although legally of course ;D) but also the great opportunity of either doing that or grabbing an INT.  Also, like you, when I had the wonderful opportunity to coach in college, I was an assistant db coach and loved teaching and seeing these tough smaller guys in action, just as you relate in your own experience. Of course, today, one has to be somewhat careful as much of that type of "head hunting" play style is going by the wayside i.e. being disallowed, obviously due to safety concerns and the rules changes regarding this.  Anyway, thanks for sharing a great story.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 24, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 23, 2011, 11:10:07 PM
ThunderHead:

Thanks for a great post re: db's! :)  That is very neat and I know exactly what you mean.  What you relate is so true; at Hope back in my day and thereafter, we had some of the very same type (and size ;D) of CB's - indeed, those guys were crazy!  They were very, very good, so much so, that there was a string of some 12 years or so (I can't remember the exact # without looking it up in the record book right now) in which those we had at least one of those "smaller guys"i.e. a db selected to the ALL-MIAA first team defense every year.  I was actually a free safety but I guess I kind of fit the mode because I loved to free roam and hit people as a "head-hunter" (although legally of course ;D) but also the great opportunity of either doing that or grabbing an INT.  Also, like you, when I had the wonderful opportunity to coach in college, I was an assistant db coach and loved teaching and seeing these tough smaller guys in action, just as you relate in your own experience. Of course, today, one has to be somewhat careful as much of that type of "head hunting" play style is going by the wayside i.e. being disallowed, obviously due to safety concerns and the rules changes regarding this.  Anyway, thanks for sharing a great story.



formerd3db, Thunderhead,

Thanks for the kind words. when you move it is always tough (we have moved 7 times in 38 yrs). This move was a downsizing one from a large home, probably the most difficult, since you sell or give away alot.

On the subject of DB's, I have always thought the position was one of the most difficult to play and the most risky in terms of exposure. One wrong step and it is 6 pts, while other defensive positions are more forgiving!

Formerd3db knows all about that! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 24, 2011, 02:43:53 PM
Raider and fromerd3db: you guys are exactly right, the defensive backfield is an unforgiving position.

I think that "dbs" can be made to look bad right from the initial chalk board concept. Things on the board can look good drawn up, but can often be unrealistic to execute on the field. When a corner per say has to cover the deep third because you're rolling a strong side backer and you have to then roll under a high safety to compensate in the hook zones, well the corner is in a very difficult position without a sink release, (which he can't do in the pre-snap because it would effectively give the play away) well - now, even though on paper the "lines" make sense, getting the corner in position to "cover" that correctly is difficult if not impossible on the field.

And yet, when the plan fails because the corner is out of position defending the boundary with an endzone extension, all I hear is "that @#$ corner can't cover @#$#!" by the linebackers coach who drew the play up to make his backers look good.

Oh - good times - spending half the post-game meeting defending my guys on the absurdity of the drawn up responsibilities. (this is why in-game adjustments are often not a good way to go IMO unless absolutely necessary.) This is why I always loved Morris Watts philosophy "unless we can run the @#! thing in practice 100 times perfectly we aren't calling it in a @#$ game!" (as you can imagine, he was old school and had a relatively small playbook. But boy could his squad execute it.)

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 24, 2011, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 23, 2011, 09:41:59 PM
Raider68 - Glad you're well, I hope your move went well. I've done that a few times, it can be a bit stressful, especially if the wife ain't happy.  ;)

formerd3db: Funny you say "poor" DB, when I broke into coaching I was assigned Corner backs, and let me tell you, some of the craziest SOB's I ever met in life where 5 foot nothing 100 and nothing corners. Flat out nut cases that went 150 mph every where, including into the back of some poor 6'4'' QB's mid-section. (they loved the old Corner fire)

I will admit though I never had more fun in my life then when I was coaching corner backs, they live hard and player hard, and can trash talk with the best of them. The first, and I mean FIRST question I was asked on the first day of meetings before practice started was this: "Coach what's your policy on trash talking?"

To which I replied "I don't know, what's your policy on backing up your trash talk?"

I only got a BIG  ;D back - good times.

SO I've got a lotta respect for you guys in the backfield.

Sounds like our boy Andrew Funsch up here....he truly is the most fearless guy I've ever seen play based off of body size

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alma.edu%2Frepository%2Fathletics%2Ffootball%2Fgallery%2F2010%2FScrimmage%2FDSC_0017.jpg&hash=b53d8449eb60bf4bb274d2e3801fc29b9d23bcad)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 24, 2011, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 24, 2011, 02:43:53 PM
Raider and fromerd3db: you guys are exactly right, the defensive backfield is an unforgiving position.

I think that "dbs" can be made to look bad right from the initial chalk board concept. Things on the board can look good drawn up, but can often be unrealistic to execute on the field. When a corner per say has to cover the deep third because you're rolling a strong side backer and you have to then roll under a high safety to compensate in the hook zones, well the corner is in a very difficult position without a sink release, (which he can't do in the pre-snap because it would effectively give the play away) well - now, even though on paper the "lines" make sense, getting the corner in position to "cover" that correctly is difficult if not impossible on the field.

And yet, when the plan fails because the corner is out of position defending the boundary with an endzone extension, all I hear is "that @#$ corner can't cover @#$#!" by the linebackers coach who drew the play up to make his backers look good.

Oh - good times - spending half the post-game meeting defending my guys on the absurdity of the drawn up responsibilities. (this is why in-game adjustments are often not a good way to go IMO unless absolutely necessary.) This is why I always loved Morris Watts philosophy "unless we can run the @#! thing in practice 100 times perfectly we aren't calling it in a @#$ game!" (as you can imagine, he was old school and had a relatively small playbook. But boy could his squad execute it.)

Go Trine!!!

I think the word you're looking for there is "dang"  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on May 24, 2011, 08:52:24 PM
Diezel1,

Thanks for your comments and I couldn't agree more with the below points more in regards to the 4-3, 4-4, and a standard 4-2-5!  Those are some of the major reasons I like the 4-2-5 so much the way Hope runs it.  I would only like to add with Hope's defense the difference between a standard 4-2-5 and Hope's D is they have 2 and not 1 "rover" or hybrid linebacker/ safety positions and they play them throughout the game as both db's and lb's throughout the game as needed.  This eliminates the ability for a offense to quickly read the defensive coverage.  Which also gives them the ability to adjust as needed into 3-4, 4-3, and 4-4 coverage sets quickly and without warning.  To me a good defense its kinda like fishing, there is no one magic lure or bait to always catch fish, but the right bait or lure at the right time with the correct presentation and its dinner in the frying pan....no different than 1 defense set can cover/ stop it all - which is why I personally like the versitially of Hope's defense so much and why I feel Hope has had so much success over the years - again just my thoughts as well.  If poster's on this board remembers Matt Beaver (All - MIAA 2003) or Matt Rugienstien (All American 2006) of Hope Collage (DE's) they would understand the way the 4-2-5 allows for some extreme versatilty with the right athletes given they would be playing in a two point on the end of the line one play in a 4-2-5 , the next they could be in coverage as an outside linebacker with the same personal in a 3-4, and another they could be lined up in a 3 point in a 4-3 or 4-4, the options are endless!  The toughest defensive sets I ever went against were in practice as an OL at Hope in route to back to back MIAA titles as a junior and senior.  I hope everyone sees what I'm getting at which is the 4-2-5 isn't anything special nor is the 3-4, the 4-3 or the 4-4, its the way a coordinator choices to utilize his defensive playbook which is the real key.  I appreciate everyone's comments on this!



Being a Trine graduate, I am now partial to the 3-4. I think you can disguise your look much easier in the 3-4 than you can in the 4-3, 4-4, or even the 4-2-5 and heres why:

1.)In the 4-3, most outside linebackers are limited in what they can do in this system. You are either good at filling gaps or quick enough to get out in coverage, which causes a mismatch in either the run game or pass game.
2.) In the 4-4, your main objective is fill the box and get the ball out of the qb's hand quick to make short pass plays where most of your defenders are. Problem is with spread offenses you don't have enough speed on the field when they stretch you out.
3.)In the 4-2-5, it is very easy to designate the "rover" or whatever the team chooses to name it. And once again, at this level most rovers' skill sets are one way, pass or run. This now creates a weakness because you have to scheme on how to cover that up. If the rover plays back, you audible to a run or something quick. If he is in the box, you go to the other side of the field because you are out leveraged.

I know if you look at each defense they are all basically the same thing just lining up differently and with different personnel but with the 3-4 you can apply a ton of pressure on the qb or still stop the run, the outside linebackers have speed so they can rush off the edge or drop in coverage which helps tremendously against a spread attack. Just my two cents on the topic 


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 25, 2011, 07:41:07 AM
I think the real thing with this topic is that all defenses can be beaten, and every one here that we've put out has ways to be beaten. That's exactly why you can't truly just line up in one defense and say "come beat me" thats the way you lose football games. You have to go after them, and beat them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 25, 2011, 11:34:10 AM
Who will be the stars this fall in the MIAA? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on May 25, 2011, 02:54:00 PM
Raider68, I wish I would have known you were moving!  I could have used some of that old stuff you were trying to unload ;)  haha.  I just bought my first house in Angola a meer 3 blocks from where my Thunder play!  Its been pretty exciting!

along the lines of DB talk, I was a receiver.  But let me tell you what, I have great respect for good DB's.  The receiver has a distinct advantage knowing exactly when and where cuts will be made and where holes will be in the defense.  But a good corner with the ability to read body language and break quickly on a ball is impressive!  so although I enjoyed trash talking all our DB's in practice and in games, I definitely respect them! (most at least)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 25, 2011, 03:07:06 PM
Boya87: Three blocks from the field uh? Sound's like I found a spot for my post-game tailgating. ;D

Go Trine!!!

PS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8kLm3qvNM   8-) 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 25, 2011, 03:58:56 PM
I know Mr Y and formerd3db would probably like to see this   http://mgoblog.com/content/lacrosse-announcement-press-conference-notes

Michigan made men's and women's lacrosse official varsity sports today.



For the rest of you, carry on. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 25, 2011, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on May 25, 2011, 11:34:10 AM
Who will be the stars this fall in the MIAA? :-\

Offense

Rushing: The obvious answer is Clinton Orr, and Jared Edwards running the ball.

Receiving: I look at JC Cruise, Mitch Gabriel, and either Austin Montgomery, Barak Henderson, or Michael Lenneman, whoever becomes Jarrett Leister's favorite target.

Passing: The MIAA was so veteran it's tough to know what's going to come from the replacements, so the safe pick to say is Spencer Krauss and Jarrett Leister.

Defense

D-Line: Sorry I can't give any insight on this position, because honestly this isn't my prediction and I don't want to give you my opinion based on stats alone.

Linebackers: I think that the obvious leader of the MIAA linebackers will be either Conrad Bovee or Tony Brown. It will be interesting who can elevate their game more in the off-season. I would predict over 115 total tackles for each of the two.

DBs: I look for Scotty Cole and Kyle Warren to repeat the great success they had last year in the defensive backfield. Adam Powers is another one that can be good, but I'm not sure he's going to rack up stats like Cole and Warren.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 25, 2011, 04:37:08 PM

Quote from: Raider 68 on May 25, 2011, 11:34:10 AM
Who will be the stars this fall in the MIAA? :-\

Oh boy - I think at this point it's to tough to call. At the spring game they didn't run, and most of the starters were out. The QB spot is still up in the air.

Can't wait for August.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 25, 2011, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: sac on May 25, 2011, 03:58:56 PM
I know Mr Y and formerd3db would probably like to see this   http://mgoblog.com/content/lacrosse-announcement-press-conference-notes

Michigan made men's and women's lacrosse official varsity sports today.



For the rest of you, carry on. :)

Thanks for posting this, sac! +k

Something I don't recall ever seeing before: they're legally required to post the men's coaching position, but Brandon flat-out told people to not waste their time - he already knows who the coach will be!  I wish more employers would be that honest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 25, 2011, 05:15:07 PM
Great for Lacrosse - though I don't personally enjoy the sport, I know many people that do. I'm glad Michigan took the lead here, hopefully others will follow.

Go Trine!!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 25, 2011, 11:20:49 PM
sac:

I join Mr. Ypsi in saying thanks to you for posting the U of Mich lacrosse info.  I had heard quite a while back that Michigan was going to elevate their program from "virtual varsity" to full varsity status and that it was, indeed, going to be this year. I played in a men's post-collegiate lacrosse league last year and before and one of the teams was comprised of all former U of Michigan players of recent.  They were very, very good.  Anyway, yes, I agree with ThunderHead and Mr. Ypsi that is great to see them do this, along with the other Michigan schools who have and are going this route at their respective levels (Adrian, Trine, Albion, U of Detroit-Mercy, Alma, Olivet).

Along with the other schools we've talked about who are going to do this in another year or so i.e. Hope, possibly Calvin (or those who should do this), Michigan State should reinstate their program to full varsity status.  However, I have heard from my inside sources there, that this is not going to happen, which is unfortunate, IMO. :(


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on May 26, 2011, 09:14:01 AM
Is Trine the only MIAA school that has Lacrosse as a varsity sport?!

Any thoughts on how this might affect recruiting for these smaller schools looking for lax players?  Obviously there is usually a talent disparity between DI and DIII athletics but since there arent many teams in the midwest with varsity lax we might stand to lose some pretty talented kids that wanted to stay in the Mid West.

I think its a great sport!  It took me awhile to understand all the rules but its fun to watch.  and if you have ever tried catching a ball in that small net...it is TOUGH!  Now try doing it while running and people swining sticks at you!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 26, 2011, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on May 26, 2011, 09:14:01 AM
Is Trine the only MIAA school that has Lacrosse as a varsity sport?!

Any thoughts on how this might affect recruiting for these smaller schools looking for lax players?  Obviously there is usually a talent disparity between DI and DIII athletics but since there arent many teams in the midwest with varsity lax we might stand to lose some pretty talented kids that wanted to stay in the Mid West.

I think its a great sport!  It took me awhile to understand all the rules but its fun to watch.  and if you have ever tried catching a ball in that small net...it is TOUGH!  Now try doing it while running and people swining sticks at you!

Lacrosse must be catching on. Mount Union will start this fall for both men and women. In 2011 as a club team, then a varsity sport in 2012! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 26, 2011, 01:22:24 PM
BOYA87:

You missed (inadvertently and understandably, of course) the previous discussions on this topic a while back here on this board and some others.  Regarding the MIAA, Trine, Adrian and Albion all have varsity lacrosse teams and play in the Midwest Lacrosee Conference; with Alma and Olivet starting varsity lacrosse next year as independents (I believe that Olivet is only doing women's lacrosse at first? Perhaps OC_SID can clarify this for us).  Hope and Calvin have "virtual varsity" club teams and play in the Central Collegiate Lacrosse Association, which is one of the 10 or so men's collegiate lacrosse leagues in the national Men's Collegiate Lacrosse Association, that runs club collegiate lacrosse.  Hope (and probably Calvin) has/have plans to upgrade to full varsity desigantion in 2013 (it was supposed to happen next year in 2012, however, apparently, due to Trine, Adrian and Albion not being able to get out of their committment in the MLC until then, these other MIAA schools have decided to either wait and/or go independent DIII lacrosse as noted above, unit the MIAA can encompass the majority of its member schools.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 26, 2011, 03:52:12 PM
To tie Lacrosse to Football

I am glad to see the increase in interest and official Varisty programs
Another avenue to bring student athletes to the MIAA, and generate school spirit
Graet sport high energy, a great deal of scoring and action if you understand the game.

The HS that I was/am associated with the coaching staff.
We have offered a full Varsity Lacrosse program for many years.
From a Football stand point which I always viewed things as a way to improve my FB players LOL

LaCrosse was a great off-season conditioining program, for speed, agility, team work. WR, DB, RB,LB
Wrestling for the linemen, LB build balance, endurance, strength, leverage, hand to hand combat, mental toughness.
Hockey speed, fitness, toughness.mental toughness Nasty attitude LB, RB, DB, WR
Soccer speed, agility, endurance DB, WR, RB
Baseball, hand eye coordination, quick hips, good soft hands for WR, RB, QB
Basketball WR, DB, RB, QB agility, endurance, quick hips
Track, Cross Country, running form, and endurance, core strength, balance for the throwers

On a serious note I like to see our athletes play multiple sports, great cross training and produces a well rounded Student athlete, does not burn the students out on a sport.

Not a big fan of the 7on7 ltravel eagues becoming too much like AAU basketball, a way to manipulate kids and agents, pimping our youth out in my mind.. Not in all caases but way too many now.

Better settle the NFL BS soon, Billionaires and Millionaires whining about how to split the fools gold. Even football can lose its fan base if you treat us this bad long enough.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 26, 2011, 06:58:15 PM
D306:

Good to hear from you.  You make some good points.  The only aspect I think is a difficult one, however, is regarding student-athletes trying to do two sports.  In today's world, that is extremely difficult for the majority of student-athletes to do at the collegiate level.  Of course, there will always be those handful that do, and all kudos for them who are able to make that work.  Yet, with most academic tracks now, that is almost impossible and/or again, very, very difficult to do.  My own brother played two sports in college - and I still don't know how he did it.  I had all I could handle with football alone in college.  The time that would have been missed from studying and picking up required classes that you could not take in the fall, would have been a downfall.  Add to that DIII having official spring practice now and thus it is an even more challenging situation for many.  Regarding lacrosse, some teams only practice 3 days a week because of the games and that takes a huge chunck out of study time for those guys and gals (I guess similar schedule to baseball used to be, although the MIAA league competition is scheduled over the two weekend days Fri/Sat for baseball).  Bottom line is that it can be done, but one has to make a choice and then work like mad to make sure they make the grade both on the field and in the class room.  That is not to say people can't handle doing two sports because, again, many do and they do quite well.

I also agree with you about the AAU basketball and the football 7-on-7 trying to reach a similar venue.  I am not a fan of either of those for many reasons.  I am glad to see that the NCAA is starting to look into this and for some type of control- at least it's a start - and I don't agree with the NCAA on a lot of things! ;D

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts/opinions.  Glad you are still planning on posting on occasion.  I hope all is well with you and yours and the family.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 26, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
Raider68:

That is great news that Mount is adding lacrosse.  They are going the route that should be a smooth transition rather than just "jumping in with two feet" and/or "cannonballing it"! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 26, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
Quote from: D306 on May 26, 2011, 03:52:12 PM
To tie Lacrosse to Football

Many Alma players currently do Club Lacrosse in the spring
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 26, 2011, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: sflzman on May 26, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
Quote from: D306 on May 26, 2011, 03:52:12 PM
To tie Lacrosse to Football

Many Alma players currently do Club Lacrosse in the spring

I can easily imagine many football players concurring with my elder son's stated reason for loving LaX (he was the founding captain and leading scorer when his high school started the sport): "I like hitting people with sticks!" ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 26, 2011, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 26, 2011, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: sflzman on May 26, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
Quote from: D306 on May 26, 2011, 03:52:12 PM
To tie Lacrosse to Football

Many Alma players currently do Club Lacrosse in the spring

I can easily imagine many football players concurring with my elder son's stated reason for loving LaX (he was the founding captain and leading scorer when his high school started the sport): "I like hitting people with sticks!" ;D


Yes, Mr. Ypsi!  It is the only sport (or activity, for that matter that I can think of) in which you can legally "beat/hit someone with a stick"! ;D  Also, I just like it because I like[ed] the contact - to hit people! But...of course, the NCAA is coming down hard on that due to the concussion issues as has been discussed, although it is more directed at hits to the head as opposed to some legit contact.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on May 26, 2011, 09:26:28 PM
formerd3db, you are half correct for Olivet. Our women's lacrosse team played its first season as a DIII independent last spring. We played 10 games against 4-year programs albeit only 3 games I believe were against NCAA schools. The other 7 were against NAIA opponents. As well, we played a handful against club teams. Our "official" record was 2-8 with both wins against Davenport.

You are correct the plan is just women's lacrosse.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 26, 2011, 09:55:51 PM
d3db, I'm fairly sure that LaX helmets are adequate protection again stick hits (I suspect the stick would break long before any concussion risk), but the rest of the body is unprotected.  In David's senior year, their first playoff game was against one of the few teams they had beaten.  In that win, David had 3 goals and two assists in a 5-3 win.  In the first 30 seconds of the playoff game, a guy whacked the side of David's knee so hard that he was ineffective the rest of the game (he still had one assist - he's a tough kid - but his knee buckled anytime he tried to set for a shot).  (David is so naively optimistic about sports that he thought the guy just missed on an attempted takeaway - the guy was clearly an assassin, probably at his coach's instruction. >:()  Naturally, they lost.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on May 27, 2011, 04:06:50 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 26, 2011, 09:12:56 PM

Yes, Mr. Ypsi!  It is the only sport (or activity, for that matter that I can think of) in which you can legally "beat/hit someone with a stick"! ;D  Also, I just like it because I like[ed] the contact - to hit people! But...of course, the NCAA is coming down hard on that due to the concussion issues as has been discussed, although it is more directed at hits to the head as opposed to some legit contact.

Hurling?...  ;)

Slainte!  Hope y'all are well and enjoying the springtime (snow here, in the mountains and high valleys of Kleine Karoo, yesterday)  :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 27, 2011, 12:05:06 PM
To all those fellow Veterans, Thank you for your service to our country. Have a safe and thoughtful Memorial Day! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 27, 2011, 02:41:23 PM
Raider68,

Good stuff. My brother is in the Military and he has been home on leave for the last two weeks. It was great to see him and spend some time with him, (it's been 2 and half years since I saw him last) he flies back to CA tomorrow morning and then will be deployed again in July.

I'm very very grateful to all the men and women, past and present, who make the US what it is and give us the freedom to have forums just like this.

Have a great holiday weekend everyone.

GO USA!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on May 27, 2011, 03:14:05 PM
Sorry d3db, I did miss that!  it just seems I cant miss a day on this thing anymore or else I have pages of reading to catch up on!

On the note of safety I would like to bring up a topic for debate which, depending on the response, may get heated on my behalf!

all of us being sports fans I am sure most of us witnessed the Buster Posey injury at home plate on sports center or at some point yesterday.  What is your take on it?!  clean, dirty?  Part of the game?  change the rules?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on May 27, 2011, 03:21:19 PM
broadcasters are talking about catcher being the "most dangerous position in sports"?!?!?!  are you kidding me?!  How many of these plays do you get to see in a game? week?  YEAR?!  This is the most exciting play in baseball, which rarely happens, and yet it is a play that football players experience for 2 hours straight!  The catcher fully understands the risk he takes when blocking the plate (Posey didnt even have the ball when he decided to put his body in the base path...oops).

They are also talking about protecting the teams investments in these players.  Its funny how quickly the conversation turned from safety to $$$$$$$$$$...or however many zeros are in his paycheck!

All these sports are upsetting me with how they are changing the games.  you want to limit injuries on the field?!  Increase drug testing policies and you will find athletes with healthier, more durable bodies, and you wont have every linebacker looking like Mr. Universe taking everyones head off in the middle of the field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 27, 2011, 03:36:59 PM
The Posey deal is a part of the game IMO.

At younger levels when it comes to plays at the plate, the rule is "slide OR avoid contact" - meaning the only way contact can occur when the umpire feels a "developing play" is occurring is for the player to be sliding. He CAN stand up, jump over or tip toe around the catcher, he doesn't have to slide, but if there is contact of any type with the catcher, the umpire has the discretion to call the player out for technically "making contact without sliding". (House rules in some local leagues require a slide on all plays that are considered "close" by the plate umpire. However national rules have the "OR" clause.)

I think this is appropriate at the youth levels, as a safety measure. But at the professional level I believe it's just how the game is played. The collision in baseball is an overall rare occurrence and a knee jerk reaction to a rare incident isn't the answer. Sometimes - crap happens and that sucks, but that doesn't mean you go re-think everything and changing rules like it's a major occurrence resulting in dozens of injuries a year in MLB and demands immediate attention.

Just my opinion.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 28, 2011, 08:26:53 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 27, 2011, 03:36:59 PM
The Posey deal is a part of the game IMO.

At younger levels when it comes to plays at the plate, the rule is "slide OR avoid contact" - meaning the only way contact can occur when the umpire feels a "developing play" is occurring is for the player to be sliding. He CAN stand up, jump over or tip toe around the catcher, he doesn't have to slide, but if there is contact of any type with the catcher, the umpire has the discretion to call the player out for technically "making contact without sliding". (House rules in some local leagues require a slide on all plays that are considered "close" by the plate umpire. However national rules have the "OR" clause.)

I think this is appropriate at the youth levels, as a safety measure. But at the professional level I believe it's just how the game is played. The collision in baseball is an overall rare occurrence and a knee jerk reaction to a rare incident isn't the answer. Sometimes - crap happens and that sucks, but that doesn't mean you go re-think everything and changing rules like it's a major occurrence resulting in dozens of injuries a year in MLB and demands immediate attention.

Just my opinion.

Go Trine!!!


I think lowering your shoulder and banging into the catcher like that is in the same class as sliding in with your spikes high.  It doesn't belong in the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on May 28, 2011, 04:28:03 PM
Hello! I hope everyone is having an enjoyable summer.

If you guys are like me, you're going a little "football crazy" right now. Well gridiron lovers, fear not, as I will help you get your football fix by providing you with a little early preview of the Albion College Britons and their quest to win their 34th MIAA championship this fall.

Personnel:

Quarterback: Spencer Krauss returns for Albion as a third year starter at quarterback. After struggling in his first year starting, Spencer seemed to begin to be settling in last season, he was no doubt helped by an offensive line that allowed the fewest sacks in the league. Krauss must improve on his 12/10 touchdown/INT ration though, and improve his accuracy and timing on medium distance routes. His deep ball, though, is very good.

Backup Alex Harris has some starting experience and would capable of filling in if necessary.

Running Back: With the graduation of Trine's Eric Watt, Albion junior Clinton Orr becomes probably the most notable offensive player in the MIAA this fall. Last season Orr carried the ball for 1396 yards and 14 TDs. Orr has all the components looked for in a RB, exceptional speed, great agility, decent power, an ability to make tacklers slip off of him, and durability. This last aspect is key because the Britons championship hopes likely rest on his ability to stay healthy.

FB Wes Dolen provides a more powerful change of pace back who excels at receiving out of the backfield.

Receiver: I think someone a few pages back mentioned JC Cruse as playing for Albion this fall. JC Cruse has graduated. Returning for Albion is Brian Spencer, who is a productive receiver, though he lacks Cruse's explosive speed. Spencer had 40 catches for 506 yards and 2 TDs last fall. With Spencer will be Zach Brewer, who had 14 catches for 119 yards and 2 TDs as a 3rd WR last fall. The ability of Spencer and Brewer to stretch the field to open things up for Clinton Orr will be a crucial factor in making the Briton's offense a productive one.

Offensive Line: Last Season the Briton's offensive line allowed the fewest sacks in the league and opened holes for the league's most productive runner. 3 full time starters return from this group. They include 1st team all MIAA selection Shane Jessiel at tackle, 2nd team all MIAA selection Josh Phillips, also at tackle, and guard Justin Jevicks. Center Brice Johnson started for part of last season, sharing time with the graduated Matt Bilger. With the talent returning, and provided the new group can "gel" as is so critical for the offensive line, this should be a position of strength for the Britons.

Defensive Line: Last season the Briton defense was anchored by 3 all-MIAA selections on their 4 man defensive front: DEs Jeremy Green and Neil Copeland, and NT Austin Rodgers. Replacing this production will be the most difficult part of the rebuilding process for the 2011 Britons. Returning at DL are one-time MIAA defensive player of the week (has to count for something right?) Julian Packsi at DT, and part time starter Jacob Heinrich, who can play either position. The other two positions are effectively question marks for now.

Linebackers: The Britons return their entire linebacking stable for 2010, including the teams leading tackler Tony Brown, as well as CJ Caroll and John Lesinski, both who had more than 35 total tackles. Their jobs will only get tougher this season without the veteran defensive line playing in front of them, however.

Secondary: 2 time 1st team all-MIAA selection, and one time DIII all-American Chris Greenwood leads the Briton secondary at cornerback. He's partner-in-pass defense Dustin Hess, however, graduates. Sophomore Jace Garcia will likely be the new starter at the other cornerback. Strong Safety Devin Burnett, who was second on the team in tackles, returns, but Free Safety Aaron Dolkowski graduates. There are, however, a bevy of capable candidates to replace him, including likely front runner Wes Sherman.

Special Teams:

Kicker/Punter: Mychal Galla, a 4 year starter at kicker, and 3 year starter at punter, graduates. Incoming freshmen Charlie Hess will likely replace him, at least at kicker. Punter is still a question mark.

Returners: Chris Greenwood was the primary punt returner last year, while Clinton Orr and Adam Shiremen returned kicks, all return.

Schedule: The Britons open with their usual tough non-conference slate. They will travel to Indianapolis on September 3rd to take on the Butler Bulldogs, then on the 10th, to Wheaton, Illinois to take on the powerhouse Thunder. Their first home game is the 17th as UW-Stevens Point makes the long bus ride to Michigan. A win in any one of those 3 games will be a great sign for the Britons.

The conference schedule opens one the road as Albion will try to get revenge on the pesky Kalamazoo Hornets who upset the Britons in Albion last year. Jamie Zorbo's passing oriented attack has given the Briton's defense fits two of the last three years.

Next the Britons take on an improved Alma squad at home. The last time the Scots traveled to Albion they left in ignominious 60-10 defeat. The Scots will no doubt have revenge on their mind this year.

Albion travels to Michigan's west coast to take on the rival Flying Dutchmen in Holland. One of the most heated and most even rivalries in the MIAA will renew, with Hope and Albion splitting the last 4 meetings. No motivation will be required to get the Britons fired up for this one.

Albion renews the oldest rivalry west of the Alleghenies as they return home to play the Comets of Olivet. Olivet has dropped the last 3 meetings by increasingly lopsided scores. However, I suspect Olivet will play a little better this year (they can't play much worse  :-\ )

Albion finishes with a road date at always tough Adrian, then takes a break from conference action to travel to Depauw, another tough in-region opponent.

Albion concludes with a home match up against the Thunder of Trine University, the 3 time defending conference champion. The Briton's championship hopes likely rest on the result of this game.

Outlook: The Britons have a seasoned group returning on offense and defense. If the Britons can fill their holes, especially on the defensive line, they should be in the mix of things. However, their are a number of teams to be wary of in the MIAA. Trine, obviously, is the odds-on favorite to win the things again, after dominating all comers last season. Adrian always seems to put together a solid squad, while Alma looks to be much improved with a good QB, while always talented Hope lurks as a possible dark horse.

Finally, anyone traveling to Sprankle-Sprandel Stadium this fall notice the new artificial turf field now being installed. This should only improve the atmosphere at this historic venue. (Now if we could just do something about that press box  :-\ ) So I hope all of you who's teams are playing at Albion this year will come down and see a game. Also I hope those of you with knowledge of your respective teams will try to offer similar insights of how you envision your squad lining up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 28, 2011, 06:24:15 PM
RuleBritannia: I think many of us are feeling a bit football deprived.  ;) Good post, looking forward to the season.

DBQ: I see your point to an extent, though I think sliding in with your cleats up is a bit different, as the runner is also risking injury with a collision, where as a guy coming in with his cleats up really isn't.

Body on body contact is different in my opinion then equipment on body contact.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 28, 2011, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on May 28, 2011, 08:26:53 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on May 27, 2011, 03:36:59 PM
The Posey deal is a part of the game IMO.

At younger levels when it comes to plays at the plate, the rule is "slide OR avoid contact" - meaning the only way contact can occur when the umpire feels a "developing play" is occurring is for the player to be sliding. He CAN stand up, jump over or tip toe around the catcher, he doesn't have to slide, but if there is contact of any type with the catcher, the umpire has the discretion to call the player out for technically "making contact without sliding". (House rules in some local leagues require a slide on all plays that are considered "close" by the plate umpire. However national rules have the "OR" clause.)

I think this is appropriate at the youth levels, as a safety measure. But at the professional level I believe it's just how the game is played. The collision in baseball is an overall rare occurrence and a knee jerk reaction to a rare incident isn't the answer. Sometimes - crap happens and that sucks, but that doesn't mean you go re-think everything and changing rules like it's a major occurrence resulting in dozens of injuries a year in MLB and demands immediate attention.

Just my opinion.

Go Trine!!!


I think lowering your shoulder and banging into the catcher like that is in the same class as sliding in with your spikes high.  It doesn't belong in the game.

Could not agree with you more!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on May 29, 2011, 05:18:52 PM
I might also add that when a play at the plate is occurring it's fair to assume the catcher is anticipating contact, it's not as if guys are getting blind sided. If a player is blocking the plate at a critical point in the game, and thus preventing the runner from having a chance at touching the object that will give his team the win, what do you expect to happen?

Do you expect the runner to simply stop? To turn around? To give up? If it's me, and the games on the line - I'm going to fight to get to the plate, even if that means going over someone. But then again - I'm ultra competitive, and if I was the catcher, I'd do all I could to prevent someone from scoring the winning run on me, and I'd block the plate too. So - there you have it, and ultra-competitive environment with ultra-competitive men. Posey knew exactly what he was doing by positioning his body where he did, this injury - as he mentioned in a separate interview, wasn't a shock to him. He knew there would be contact, he was doing his job, just like the runner was doing his.  

So here is your "protection rule" - Catchers may not completely block the plate. (sliding could also cause injury if you slide into someone completely blocking the plate.)

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on May 30, 2011, 10:31:06 AM
I just watched the Braves game last night when Martin Prado makes a great throw from left field to catcher David Ross.  It was going to be a very close play at the plate and Ross fields the ball, steps to the side of the plate while attacking up the baseline, and tags the runner on the waste as he slides into the plate.  No collision, just an out!  I never understood why it was neccessary for a catcher to just stand in front of the plate (sometimes without the ball) and take that shot!? 

Head, I like your "protection rule".  That is really the only way I see it as being an acceptable change.  often times the catcher is wrong blocking the plate in the first place because he is obstructing the basepath without the ball!

Anyways, the Braves won! :)  Happy Memorial Day everybody and thanks to anyone who serves, has served, or has family members that serve.  You have no idea how much this American appreciates you and everything you do!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 31, 2011, 10:11:46 PM
The catcher blocking the plate arguments have been around long before ESPN came on the scene to obsess over things.

For instance, this created quite an uproar and I wasn't even born yet.......
http://articles.sfgate.com/1999-07-10/sports/17692500_1_time-hits-leader-ray-fosse-collision

Its part of the game, always has been, always will be.


Ultimately it is the Umpire's judgement that matters:


This is an umpire's judgement call.  There are two rules in the major league rulebook that apply.  The first is for obstruction:

2.0  OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.
Rule 2.00 (Obstruction) Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered "in the act of fielding a ball." It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the "act of fielding" the ball. For example: If an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner.



7.08 (b)  Any runner is out when he intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball;
Rule 7.08(b) Comment: A runner who is adjudged to have hindered a fielder who is attempting to make a play on a batted ball is out whether it was intentional or not.
If, however, the runner has contact with a legally occupied base when he hinders the fielder, he shall not be called out unless, in the umpire's judgment, such hindrance, whether it occurs on fair or foul territory, is intentional. If the umpire declares the hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 09:00:51 AM
SAC - you're exactly right, an umpires judgment is the real key.

Generally speaking, the hardest thing to interrupt is "and not in the act of fielding the ball". I have a friend who just broke into the majors as an umpire about 3 years ago, after a long run in the minors and a few years working MLB games in fill in situations he got his number called.

He had some good insight into this, but said collisions are a rare play and most players have a lot of respect for each other and don't go looking to hurt one anther. In this day of free agency and trades it's pretty common for guys to go out to eat together after games when they are in a series, as guys develop friendships pretty quickly and like to hang out with old team mates.

Interesting stuff...

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 01, 2011, 09:02:37 AM
wow great article!!  I had to find the video of that play.  The hit wasnt very malicious from Rose, it seemed pretty innocent.  But its easy to see how standing exposed with barely any pads it woudnt take much of a shot to do some damage!

but it is a party of the game and I think those rules in place pretty much cover the play the way it should!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on June 01, 2011, 10:07:24 AM
I think the only reason the collision at home with Posey was made out to be such a big deal was because it involved Posey, one of the better up and coming catchers in the game. If it would have been a back-up or journey man catcher I dont think they would be talking about changing the rule. More pitchers get hurt pitching than catchers get hurt in a collision at home. So should the mlb change the rule and make pitchers toss the ball underhand and turn it into soft toss or softball? Play the game and quit crying because we all know, there is no crying in baseball!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on June 01, 2011, 03:02:04 PM
And here is a genius thought I just had, if you dont want to get ran over, dont block the plate. If the runner's job is to score and the catcher's job is to stop him, nobody told the catcher they had to stand in front of the plate. Catch the ball and make the tag. Seems like a simple concept to me but what do I know
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 03:58:20 PM
Well just because the catcher is in gear, it makes it no different than players at any other position....general rule of thumb is if you dont want to get hit, dont be in the way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Ugg - i got into some "trouble" by voicing my disagreement about the OSU stuff over on the Ohio Board...how fast you think I can get to -50? LOL

I definitely feel I'd be better off in the helmet club as far as karma goes.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And on a wired side not - me and SAC actually kinda agreed on some things...mr. ypsi - in his wisdom, came to my defense.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Ugg - i got into some "trouble" by voicing my disagreement about the OSU stuff over on the Ohio Board...how fast you think I can get to -50? LOL

I definitely feel I'd be better off in the helmet club as far as karma goes.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And on a wired side not - me and SAC actually kinda agreed on some things...mr. ypsi - in his wisdom, came to my defense.

Go Trine!!!

Like I've said, if you wanna change over: http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/TrineFootball.GIF
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 05:13:38 PM
Okay fellas - now how about some love? I'm an official helmet club member.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 01, 2011, 05:33:08 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 05:13:38 PM
Okay fellas - now how about some love? I'm an official helmet club member.  ;D

MUCH better!  I may have to make the switch also....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 05:35:04 PM
TH, while I am in the minority (especially on the football and politics boards ;)), I was kinda fond of your previous logo!

While I'm as 'green' as they come, I prefer to go 'logo-less'.  (Those who recognize me as a luddite can assume I just don't know how to upload an IWU helmet. ::)  They would be half right! :P)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 01, 2011, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 05:13:38 PM
Okay fellas - now how about some love? I'm an official helmet club member.  ;D

Well done! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 01, 2011, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 05:35:04 PM
TH, while I am in the minority (especially on the football and politics boards ;)), I was kinda fond of your previous logo!

While I'm as 'green' as they come, I prefer to go 'logo-less'.  (Those who recognize me as a luddite can assume I just don't know how to upload an IWU helmet. ::)  They would be half right! :P)

Maybe this one Mr. Y

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huronalumni.org%2FPortals%2Fhrac%2FHurons_tn.jpg&hash=3ecebdd0376c21e33521077e24ce903647cfdb70)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: sac on June 01, 2011, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 05:35:04 PM
TH, while I am in the minority (especially on the football and politics boards ;)), I was kinda fond of your previous logo!

While I'm as 'green' as they come, I prefer to go 'logo-less'.  (Those who recognize me as a luddite can assume I just don't know how to upload an IWU helmet. ::)  They would be half right! :P)

Maybe this one Mr. Y

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huronalumni.org%2FPortals%2Fhrac%2FHurons_tn.jpg&hash=3ecebdd0376c21e33521077e24ce903647cfdb70)

Tempting ("Once a Huron, always a Huron" ;)), but seems inappropriate for d3. :P

And since the Titans plan to continue feasting on the MIAA in non-con games, what about my karma?! :o :D  [It totally mystifies me how IWU/Hope always goes to the wire, then you guys lay an egg in the MIAA.  Sometime soon I hope to see EITHER Hope return to contention, or a full-on Titan butt-kicking (even better would be both the same year!) ;D.]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
Oh boy fellas, I can't hardly identify myself with this helmet icon. Its so new to me.

Mr. Ypsi - I notice your boys only feast on certain MIAA teams, how about a Trip to Angola? ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 01, 2011, 08:50:59 PM
Like these better then them purple helmets!    :)

http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/michigan.htm

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 09:02:37 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
Oh boy fellas, I can't hardly identify myself with this helmet icon. Its so new to me.

Mr. Ypsi - I notice your boys only feast on certain MIAA teams, how about a Trip to Angola? ;D

It's been Hope for several years (with incredibly close finishes every year), and crushed Alma last year.

3-4 years ago, we would have crushed you too.  Now, I'm not so sure. ;)  Congratulations on your rise to prominence (but don't forget that in your first try in the tourney, Wheaton beat you worse than they beat us! ;D)

Trine DOES seem to be a team on the rise - unless you just had a fluke QB?! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 05:35:04 PM
TH, while I am in the minority (especially on the football and politics boards ;)), I was kinda fond of your previous logo!

While I'm as 'green' as they come, I prefer to go 'logo-less'.  (Those who recognize me as a luddite can assume I just don't know how to upload an IWU helmet. ::)  They would be half right! :P)

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/IWUFootball.GIF

Always available at your guyses becon call  ;D

(haha the spelling on this sentance is atrocious)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 09:06:16 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 01, 2011, 08:50:59 PM
Like these better then them purple helmets!    :)

http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/michigan.htm



Uncle Rico - just an FYI with your helmet logo. I noticed your helmet logo is a nationalchamps.net helmet, and the site will eventually take it off and replace it with an ncaa football logo that says nationalchamps.net....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 05:13:38 PM
Okay fellas - now how about some love? I'm an official helmet club member.  ;D

+k from me as well....though the number of Trine helmets is continuously outgrowing everyone else, I still like the helmet  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 09:02:37 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
Oh boy fellas, I can't hardly identify myself with this helmet icon. Its so new to me.

Mr. Ypsi - I notice your boys only feast on certain MIAA teams, how about a Trip to Angola? ;D
and crushed Alma last year.

Ouch...as if the loss itself didn't hurt enough, you had to rub it in  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 09:02:37 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
Oh boy fellas, I can't hardly identify myself with this helmet icon. Its so new to me.

Mr. Ypsi - I notice your boys only feast on certain MIAA teams, how about a Trip to Angola? ;D
and crushed Alma last year.

Ouch...as if the loss itself didn't hurt enough, you had to rub it in  ;) ;D

While it is too far in the future to guarantee anything, I hope to make it to the IWU @ Alma game in September.  If you win, feel free to rub it in all you want.  If we win, I'll even buy the first round! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 10:04:46 PM
Mr. Ypsi: Call me optimistic, but I think we are going to be better then fine at the QB position next season. There may be some growing pains - but after that, I've gotta feeling we're gonna pretty solid.

And you're right, five years ago you probably would have whooped us good, but thankfully - Coach Land brought us to respectability. I'd very much like to see us play you, it'd be a great game. (unless you play us like Hope - then we're gonna run up 70 on ya! ;D ;D)

PS - Thanks for the love fellas...I'm proud to be a Helmet Club member.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 01, 2011, 10:10:58 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 09:06:16 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 01, 2011, 08:50:59 PM
Like these better then them purple helmets!    :)

http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/michigan.htm



Uncle Rico - just an FYI with your helmet logo. I noticed your helmet logo is a nationalchamps.net helmet, and the site will eventually take it off and replace it with an ncaa football logo that says nationalchamps.net....

Damn!  You were right!  I was trying to go old-school retro too!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 01, 2011, 11:16:14 PM
Uncle Rico, I enjoyed that little time line of helmets you found for us!  I enjoyed the change from 3 tone to 2 tone and the giant T when the new coaching staff arrived!  Its simple and classy.  But once the changed to "Trine" happened the navy and white with new Nike jerseys...a players dream!

Ill tell you what I miss about Tri-State though...our prestine natural grass field!!  I tell you what that thing was better than any D1 college team plays on and even the pros!  Our grounds crew took such good care of that field.

But field turf is definitely the way to go these days and the new stadium, if anyone hasnt seen it, is amazing!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 01, 2011, 11:20:58 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on June 01, 2011, 11:16:14 PM
Uncle Rico, I enjoyed that little time line of helmets you found for us!  I enjoyed the change from 3 tone to 2 tone and the giant T when the new coaching staff arrived!  Its simple and classy.  But once the changed to "Trine" happened the navy and white with new Nike jerseys...a players dream!

Ill tell you what I miss about Tri-State though...our prestine natural grass field!!  I tell you what that thing was better than any D1 college team plays on and even the pros!  Our grounds crew took such good care of that field.

But field turf is definitely the way to go these days and the new stadium, if anyone hasnt seen it, is amazing!

I am with you re: the grass field.  I will confess, after the very last game to be played on the grass, that evening I cut out a section of sod from the end zone and planted it in my front yard.  It actually grew in well and was nicer than the rest of my yard.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 02, 2011, 08:35:25 AM
That grass field was awesome. Better then every field in the Big Ten that used a natural surface aside from Michigan State, but that's because they are an agruiculture school. They were actually comishioned to grow the turf for the world cup as they have one of the top turf programs in the nation. So naturally the turf at Spartan Stadium is their crown jewel and they have the resources and $$$$ to keep every blade prestine. And having been on both feilds, MSU's was just slightly a cut above Trines. So credit to the Trine ground crew!

Still I don't miss to much other then that about Tri-State, I especially don't miss the NIAI.

Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 02, 2011, 08:56:20 AM
I really meant to go to the field and do that same thing!  I wanted to plant it in a nice pot so I could always have it but after the season they started tearing up the field pretty quick!  wasnt the first thing on my mind after that final game.

I did however get bricks from the old Stewart Hall dorm and the old Sig Ep house after those were both tore down!

For those who havnt been to Trine's campus in awhile it has completely changed.  From dorms, to fields, to fraternity houses, the university has made a great push to modernize everything!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 02, 2011, 04:45:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 01, 2011, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 01, 2011, 09:02:37 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 01, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
Oh boy fellas, I can't hardly identify myself with this helmet icon. Its so new to me.

Mr. Ypsi - I notice your boys only feast on certain MIAA teams, how about a Trip to Angola? ;D
and crushed Alma last year.

Ouch...as if the loss itself didn't hurt enough, you had to rub it in  ;) ;D

While it is too far in the future to guarantee anything, I hope to make it to the IWU @ Alma game in September.  If you win, feel free to rub it in all you want.  If we win, I'll even buy the first round! :D

I hate to be a downer, but I dont think we have the weapons at wide receiver for Leister to work with and keep us in the game offensively.....

And 'm not sure our d-line is gonne be any good since we basically lost everyone that played there last year....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 02, 2011, 05:43:20 PM
Uncle Rico: I like that pic you have now. Very nice. Though I'm very fond of my new helmet club membership, your new logo has the zip that makes you stand out and represent Trine nation well.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 02, 2011, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 02, 2011, 05:43:20 PM
Uncle Rico: I like that pic you have now. Very nice. Though I'm very fond of my new helmet club membership, your new logo has the zip that makes you stand out and represent Trine nation well.

Go Trine!!!

Thanks ThunderHead.  I just changed it up again, however.  Still struggling to find an identity....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 03, 2011, 07:38:59 AM
Though I like the look Trine's mascot, I really don't get the concept of it.....I mean, really? How does a white striped Tiger holding a lightning bolt really represent thunder....just my thoughts....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on June 03, 2011, 08:01:16 AM
Quote from: sflzman on June 03, 2011, 07:38:59 AM
Though I like the look Trine's mascot, I really don't get the concept of it.....I mean, really? How does a white striped Tiger holding a lightning bolt really represent thunder....just my thoughts....

What is a good representation of thunder, a picture of Kevin Durant?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2011, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: sflzman on June 03, 2011, 07:38:59 AM
Though I like the look Trine's mascot, I really don't get the concept of it.....I mean, really? How does a white striped Tiger holding a lightning bolt really represent thunder....just my thoughts....

I agree.  I think Tri-State used to have Thor as their mascot a long time ago. 

I believe the Fun Spot amusement park in Angola had a zoo with tigers in it, and it was owned by the Trine's, who later sold it.  I never took the time to go there but according to their web page it was not open in 2010.  http://funspotpark.com/   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 03, 2011, 11:33:23 AM
HOLD UP - Not let's not go knocking Storm, that Tiger my friend - is a STUD.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2011, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 03, 2011, 11:33:23 AM
HOLD UP - Not let's not go knocking Thor, that Tiger my friend - is a STUD.



I think the mascots name is Storm.  Thor, the "God of Thunder" was different.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 03, 2011, 01:34:02 PM
Fixed  ;D

I only know him as "that pretty cool lookin mascot"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 03, 2011, 01:54:24 PM
your right uncle rico, The mascot use to be Thor before Storm (the white siberian tiger), and before that we were the Trojans (changed because of the relationship to the condom company).

But the white siberian tiger is more a representation of our town and the Trine family with their tigers.  We take flack for being "The Thunder"anyways because its not a tangible object but boy is it nice when the Thunder rolls!!!!

regardless of the correlation of a tiger to the name "Thunder", Storm is a wildly popular mascot!!  I can not tell you how many parents, children, and prospective seniors looking at our school think the world of Storm and think hes one of the coolest looking mascots they have seen!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
On a related note, there is a certain player or two that always provided the weather forecasts on game day, and it always called for "thunder storms."  Plus, the AC/DC song "Thunderstruck"  is a pretty good song to come out of the tunnel from, with all the smoke and everything.  Football season can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 03, 2011, 03:45:25 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on June 03, 2011, 08:01:16 AM
Quote from: sflzman on June 03, 2011, 07:38:59 AM
Though I like the look Trine's mascot, I really don't get the concept of it.....I mean, really? How does a white striped Tiger holding a lightning bolt really represent thunder....just my thoughts....

What is a good representation of thunder, a picture of Kevin Durant?

Touchee
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 03, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
How are the new fields coming along in the MIAA? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 03, 2011, 05:37:16 PM
Trine has done a nice job in keeping and renovating at least a couple of its original, historic buildings as well as the very nice expansion of the campus.  I personally like the old buildings of these small colleges and while new modern buildings are a must and natural progression in life, it is nice to see the tradition preserved.  In addition to Trine, most of the MIAA schools have done that, especially Albion, Olivet, and Hope, although I've always been somewhat disappointed that Alma and Adrian only kept one of their old late 1800's buildings and while Kazoo's are neat, they date post-1900.  Anyway, I'm glad you were able to get a brick (and the sod) to preserve.

Regarding the fields, I guess I am now just a proponent of the synthetic turf.  It is a must in today's world, IMO, and while the grass fields are fantastic if kept in the ultimate shape, unfortunately, almost all the small colleges do not have the $ or resources, like Michigan State, to keep those fields in top condition.  It is not feasible or practical.  Moreover, regardless of how great shape the field is kept, it is near impossible to keep those without some breakdowns in the middle of the season when heavy rains have turned fields into dangerous mud bowls.  As has been discussed here in the past, that has been a historical problem at Hope, but also happened at Albion and Olivet and the others before the now synthetic turfs are in (and it did happen at Trine the last year before their new turf went in).  So while I totally understand those you who love the natural grass, it has for the most part, gone by the wayside, except for some diehard schools out west and/or schools that feel they just can't afford it.  IMO ;), though, the cost is less expensive in the long-term if you really look at all the parameters.    
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 03, 2011, 05:54:33 PM
ThunderHead:
Welcome to our "Helmet Club".

Uncle Rico:
No need for you to "find an identity" as you are already a regular here.  Nonetheless, I can understand you wanting to find a neat logo to use.  But...you can always come back to our "Helmet Club" anytime!  You could even use one of the old time helmet logos that Trine used.

sflzman:
I understand what you are saying about your expectations concerning Alma's offense for this fall.  However, I'm sure they will be okay as they always seem to come up with very good WR's.  We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 03, 2011, 06:13:54 PM
One last word about catchers "catching it" at home plate ... specifically the situation with the Giant's catcher. 

The accompanying link shows the Giant's Posey positioned just inside the infield lines with home plate to his left ... not blocking the plate.  And it appears to me that the Marlin's Cousins goes straight for Posey rather than for home plate.

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15201655&c_id=sf
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 03, 2011, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 03, 2011, 05:37:16 PM
Trine has done a nice job in keeping and renovating at least a couple of its original, historic buildings as well as the very nice expansion of the campus.  I personally like the old buildings of these small colleges and while new modern buildings are a must and natural progression in life, it is nice to see the tradition preserved.  In addition to Trine, most of the MIAA schools have done that, especially Albion, Olivet, and Hope, although I've always been somewhat disappointed that Alma and Adrian only kept one of their old late 1800's buildings and while Kazoo's are neat, they date post-1900.  Anyway, I'm glad you were able to get a brick (and the sod) to preserve.

Regarding the fields, I guess I am now just a proponent of the synthetic turf.  It is a must in today's world, IMO, and while the grass fields are fantastic if kept in the ultimate shape, unfortunately, almost all the small colleges do not have the $ or resources, like Michigan State, to keep those fields in top condition.  It is not feasible or practical.  Moreover, regardless of how great shape the field is kept, it is near impossible to keep those without some breakdowns in the middle of the season when heavy rains have turned fields into dangerous mud bowls.  As has been discussed here in the past, that has been a historical problem at Hope, but also happened at Albion and Olivet and the others before the now synthetic turfs are in (and it did happen at Trine the last year before their new turf went in).  So while I totally understand those you who love the natural grass, it has for the most part, gone by the wayside, except for some diehard schools out west and/or schools that feel they just can't afford it.  IMO ;), though, the cost is less expensive in the long-term if you really look at all the parameters.    

formerd3db,

Great points! My take is that the artificial turf vs. grass comes down to (1) weather (2) upkeep of grass and (3)
use by multiple sports. While a nicely maintained grass field is great, weather especially in the Midwest, makes turf the better choice for so many schools. It the schools can get  beyond the initial capital investment, then the long term payback vs. maintaining and replacing grass is now the present and future option. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 04, 2011, 05:00:10 PM
As much as it pains me to say this, Purdue needs to go turf.

Their grass is an absolute dis-grace. I've seen better fields in low budget youth leagues.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 04, 2011, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 03, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
How are the new fields coming along in the MIAA? :-\

Alma begins construction this upcoming week. One of the shades of green is backordered though, so its going to be striped green, then no turf every 5 yards for a while. The new scoreboard information is out now, and it is pretty sweet, and has a big videoboard on it courtesy of Daktronics....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 04, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 04, 2011, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 03, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
How are the new fields coming along in the MIAA? :-\

Alma begins construction this upcoming week. One of the shades of green is backordered though, so its going to be striped green, then no turf every 5 yards for a while. The new scoreboard information is out now, and it is pretty sweet, and has a big videoboard on it courtesy of Daktronics....
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Any chance you can snap a few pictures next time you're out that way, and post them? It'd be pretty cool to see that score board.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 05, 2011, 07:51:40 AM
Yeah no problem. I actually talked to the SID there and from what he says there should be photo updates on the Alma site as the project goes on.....I'll link when I see em or take some of my own....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 05, 2011, 09:27:45 AM
ThunderHead:
I agree with you re: Purdue's field at Ross-Ade Stadium.  In its day, that new style "prescripton athletic turf" was a great innovation and served them well.  However, as we've all been discussing here, this new style turf is the way to go.  What is that old cliche'? ???..."time marches on" or "you can't stop modern progress"? ??? ;D

sflzman:
That is good news.  With all these new stadiums and scoreboards around the MIAA (including what Kazoo is doing), once again it shows that Hope is going to fall behind in this area as far as their football facilities. Yet as has been discussed, the catch in that situaion is that the City of Holland owns the stadium. Hope already has the "state of the art" for our new soccer/lacrosse stadium (and their baseball/softball stadiums and basketball/volleyball arena), so they need to do this for football.  However, until something gets resolved with the city, we'll be now last in the facilities.  Of course, I am not saying that Holland Municipal Stadium is terrible because it is nice, but outdated.  The main problem is the natural turf as has been discussed and...aside from the fact that Hope needs to own its own football facility IMO. ;D

Anyway, we'll keep updated via you sflzman and the construction cam as well.  Thanks for the info.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 05, 2011, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: sflzman on June 05, 2011, 07:51:40 AM
Yeah no problem. I actually talked to the SID there and from what he says there should be photo updates on the Alma site as the project goes on.....I'll link when I see em or take some of my own....

sflzman,

Thanks for the info, like to see those pics. +k Now if formerd3db can convince his alma mater to doing something
like Alma that would be great! ;D ;D In reality though Holland owing the stadium does pose it limitations! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 05, 2011, 02:36:58 PM
With the renovations this summer it will leave Hope with the probably worst facility in the conference - something that they are not used to at all!

I know about Holland owning the field, and we've had this conversation a number of times on the board, but I really think Hope would like to make a move towards doing something with their field situation....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 05, 2011, 02:38:54 PM
sflzman: Thanks for considering taking the pics. It'd be great to see. If I could K+ you for your willingness I would!  ;)

formerD3db: Interestingly enough I was driving through Holland yesterday and happened to drive by Hopes soccer/lacrosse field. While I couldn't tell if it had visitor bleachers, I will say I was very impressed with what I was able to "glimpse".  ;D I though, why the heck doesn't Hope play football there?

I have no idea what it seats, ect...but I though if Hope could do that for soccer, it could probably do really well in designing a football stadium as well. No offense at all to Old Holland Municipal, but I definitely was not impressed with that place. It's very quaint, but I also though it was very out dated. It would be great if they at least considered updating it.

Anyway - just wanted to pass along props on your soccer/lacrosse facility, very nice.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 05, 2011, 02:42:13 PM
Just checked the Alma site, and they have a game scheduled on that open date:

Sep. 24 - Washington and Lee - Lexington, VA - 1 pm

They were 8-3 last year, defeating #19 Hampden Sydney and #20 Randolph Macon during the season...

Their season came to an end at #9 Thomas More in the playoffs first round.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 05, 2011, 06:58:29 PM
sflzman,

I just was looking at your website and realized that you guys have a kid named Alex Andrus from Coopersville, MI.

I remember a few MAC college coaching buddies bringing him up a few years in round table discussions, at that time they thought pretty highly of him. Good get for Alma. Have they used him much?

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 05, 2011, 07:02:33 PM
Well the reason he trasfered in was he wasn't getting enough playing time, but a knee injury sidelined him this past season. Hopefully Andrus should be able to help the stud linebacking crew we have this year....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 06, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
Ok - I'm gonna go on a bit of a "rant" so bear with me here.

I've been looking at other sections of this board, and can't help but wonder why people go to such great lengths to stand out as fools?

Some people speak on the OSU situation like they have first hand knowledge of things not reported but that "probably took place" - even if there is no evidence what they are reporting is factual in any way. I can't help but think they are pretending to speculate on a situation they know nothing about.

I thought about pointing out just how idiotic they sounded, but alias, my karma has taken enough hits so I though I would show some restrain - and vent here. I'm not an OSU guy, but I love how people with no clue as to how a D1 program works go around speculating like they are long term administrative veterans of D1 athletics.

Anyway, just my thoughts. We will NEVER know all that happened at OSU, but as they say "haters gonna hate", but at least attempt to hate in a way that doesn't make you look like a complete fool. While many of you may disagree on my view points, at least we disagree on factual things for the most part.

Go Trine!!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 07, 2011, 02:55:42 PM
While I have not looked up the stats, it would interesting to know what are the historical records and awards of the MIAA teams. I know them for the OAC, but am curious for the MIAA? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 07, 2011, 03:42:43 PM
Fomerd3db: So I got sent to Holland again today, and noticed something I though I would ask you.

It seems like between the basketball arena and the lacrosse stadium there is quite a large section of land that would be perfect for a football stadium. Again, it was just a few passing glimpses, but it looked like there was enough room.

It seems like that would also be perfect because of the ample parking available that is currently used for basketball and soccer/lacrosse.

Has this been kicked around or thought about? Or does the contract with the City of Holland still got a ways to go?

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 07, 2011, 04:08:24 PM
Formerd3db: another option(?) which I raised some months ago - could Hope negotiate with the city that they will pay for the upgrades of the existing stadium in return for an ownership share in the stadium?

[If this was already responded to, my apologies for an elderly (lack of) memory!]

Two stadia, virtually side-by-side, seems kind of silly if the current stadium is solid enough to warrant upgrading (and it 'felt' that way to me when I was there, being largely built into a solid earth bowl).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 07, 2011, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 07, 2011, 02:55:42 PM
While I have not looked up the stats, it would interesting to know what are the historical records and awards of the MIAA teams. I know them for the OAC, but am curious for the MIAA? :)

http://miaa.org/fb/

Everything you ever wanted to know about MIAA football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 07, 2011, 04:58:38 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

As far as the two stadium idea, I actually think - given the structure of design they have at Hope, that it wouldn't look as bad as it does in other places.

A lot of high schools are going to the "campus" type environment where they have all their stadiums relatively close. IMO if the stadiums are made out of that beautiful new look brick (which hopes basketball and soccer arena are made out of) and the stadiums have a "shell" the stadiums would go together like building structures, as the outside fa-sates match.

Anyway, it was just a thought given the space I saw, and I wondered if they had explored that, or left that large spot "open" for some reason... ;)

While I agree that normally upgrading the current stadium is the way to go, perhaps owning the stadium is worth it for Hope in the long run, compared to renting it from the city. If that's how it is done, I'm not sure.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 08, 2011, 07:42:24 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 07, 2011, 04:58:38 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

As far as the two stadium idea, I actually think - given the structure of design they have at Hope, that it wouldn't look as bad as it does in other places.

A lot of high schools are going to the "campus" type environment where they have all their stadiums relatively close. IMO if the stadiums are made out of that beautiful new look brick (which hopes basketball and soccer arena are made out of) and the stadiums have a "shell" the stadiums would go together like building structures, as the outside fa-sates match.

Anyway, it was just a thought given the space I saw, and I wondered if they had explored that, or left that large spot "open" for some reason... ;)

While I agree that normally upgrading the current stadium is the way to go, perhaps owning the stadium is worth it for Hope in the long run, compared to renting it from the city. If that's how it is done, I'm not sure.

Go Trine!!!

I agree with you totally Thunderhead. The soccer field here in Alma is a little off campus (u have to walk up the "rails to trails" path a little bit past the football stadium it ends up being about 4 or 5 blocks) and even with an MIAA Champion girls team, they couldn't draw the numbers they wanted....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 08, 2011, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: sac on June 07, 2011, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 07, 2011, 02:55:42 PM
While I have not looked up the stats, it would interesting to know what are the historical records and awards of the MIAA teams. I know them for the OAC, but am curious for the MIAA? :)

http://miaa.org/fb/

Everything you ever wanted to know about MIAA football.

sac,

Thanks for the link! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 09, 2011, 05:30:10 PM
R.I.P. Jim Northrup - forever a Scot in our hearts.

Here's the link to the story about him, and the tributive video:

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/archives/2011/06/09/northrup

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 11, 2011, 03:11:17 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 05, 2011, 02:42:13 PM
Just checked the Alma site, and they have a game scheduled on that open date:

Sep. 24 - Washington and Lee - Lexington, VA - 1 pm

They were 8-3 last year, defeating #19 Hampden Sydney and #20 Randolph Macon during the season...

Their season came to an end at #9 Thomas More in the playoffs first round.....

Sflzman,

Good compettion for Alma! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 11, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
Cant remember if I've posted this, but here is the turf design:

http://almacollegefootball.com/_Media/alma_college-layout_field_med.jpeg
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 11, 2011, 11:25:08 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 09, 2011, 05:30:10 PM
R.I.P. Jim Northrup - forever a Scot in our hearts.

Here's the link to the story about him, and the tributive video:

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/archives/2011/06/09/northrup



sflzman:

I saw that in Thursday's paper also.  Thanks for posting it here.  Alma lost of one of its greatest past athletes.  Some people don't know that while Northrup became famous for his many star years with the Detroit Tigers after a great baseball career at Alma College, that he was also a great QB for Alma College.  In addition, it was Northrup who donated the electronic scoreboard and home run "Green Monster" fence for Alma's new baseball stadium (that was about 1/2 million $'s as I recall).

I was disappointed, however, that the newpaper articles (Detroit newspapers and others in Michigan) did not mention his athletic career at Alma - they only focused on his Detroit Tiger years and accomplishements.  That was disappointing and should have been noted by them.  Anyway, it is sad that another Alma athlete has passed on.  But life marches on.  BTW, some people didn't know that Vern Ruhle, former Olivet College and Detroit Tiger pitcher had passed away about 3-4 years ago also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 12, 2011, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 11, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
Cant remember if I've posted this, but here is the turf design:

http://almacollegefootball.com/_Media/alma_college-layout_field_med.jpeg
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Falmacollegefootball.com%2F_Media%2Falma_college-layout_field_med.jpeg&hash=b9ed8c187fb2abdb970d0a482cdacc04650583f2)


Looks good! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 12, 2011, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 12, 2011, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 11, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
Cant remember if I've posted this, but here is the turf design:

http://almacollegefootball.com/_Media/alma_college-layout_field_med.jpeg
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Falmacollegefootball.com%2F_Media%2Falma_college-layout_field_med.jpeg&hash=b9ed8c187fb2abdb970d0a482cdacc04650583f2)


Looks good! :)

I still want to think "what if" about the maroon turf though  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 12, 2011, 08:34:45 PM
Not to beat a dead horse, but to those open minded out there: http://detnews.com/article/20110611/OPINION03/106110391

If I didn't know better - I'd have thought I wrote the article myself... ;)

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 12, 2011, 10:17:58 PM
Interesting article and although im and ND fan I will respect its content.

Great for Alma and its great to see the upgrades.  Looks  very nice!  and I like the track all around it.

Anyone been getting some good golf playing in this summer?!  Any of you Trine people playing in the football golf outing this year?!  June 24th!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 12, 2011, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 12, 2011, 08:34:45 PM
Not to beat a dead horse, but to those open minded out there: http://detnews.com/article/20110611/OPINION03/106110391

If I didn't know better - I'd have thought I wrote the article myself... ;)

Go Trine!!!

There are more holes in that article than Michigan's defense.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 13, 2011, 12:13:05 AM
BOYA87:

Yes, the newest edition of synthetic turf replacing Alma's new style synthetic turf that was put in several years ago does look great.  Glad you like the track around it, although I would just add that the synthetic track has been there since the new stadium was built back in 1985.  At that time, the football stadium/field and baseball fields switched positions.  Unfortunately (at least IMO), the new baseball stadium was built about 1/2 mile (several blocks) away from the campus and the football stadium as was the new soccer field (Scotland Yard) and as our friend sflzman has already pointed out, while those two new facilities are nice, it is a detriment in some aspects as far as the students getting out there to see the games.  Yes, I know that some will say that any of the student body can take the time and make the effort to go a measly 1/2 mile to see the baseball or soccer game.  However, I'm just saying that it is so much easier and would have been better if those facilities would have been kept on the main campus.  The College had the land and room to do it.  Regardless, I guess I shouldn't be so critical because...at least they have these nice facilities and some of the smaller DIII schools would give anything to have such.  BTW, the Alma softball complex is right behind the football stadium and is very cozy.  That is the next in line for major upgrades and it will be nice for the softball team and its long-time coach (Coach Griffin, who is a Hope grad ;D :)) and well-deserved.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2011, 05:30:28 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 12, 2011, 08:34:45 PM
Not to beat a dead horse, but to those open minded out there: http://detnews.com/article/20110611/OPINION03/106110391

If I didn't know better - I'd have thought I wrote the article myself... ;)

Go Trine!!!

Have to agree with the premise of that article.  I think msu's bball team consistantly out-recruits Michigan's, and we saw how much that meant this past season.  What they do on the field is more important than what the recruits are ranked.  All things being equal, I would rather have a higher ranked recruiting class and can't deny that; but you still have to play the game. The W's are based on what happens on the field and not on Rivals.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 13, 2011, 09:05:16 AM
ya I remember that track being there.  But I think its nice to combine those two facilities.  Trine does not have a full outdoor track and I think something like that looks great and is great for the track program as well (and good for the football teams conditioning goals ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 13, 2011, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2011, 12:13:05 AM
BOYA87:

Yes, the newest edition of synthetic turf replacing Alma's new style synthetic turf that was put in several years ago does look great.  Glad you like the track around it, although I would just add that the synthetic track has been there since the new stadium was built back in 1985.  At that time, the football stadium/field and baseball fields switched positions.  Unfortunately (at least IMO), the new baseball stadium was built about 1/2 mile (several blocks) away from the campus and the football stadium as was the new soccer field (Scotland Yard) and as our friend sflzman has already pointed out, while those two new facilities are nice, it is a detriment in some aspects as far as the students getting out there to see the games.  Yes, I know that some will say that any of the student body can take the time and make the effort to go a measly 1/2 mile to see the baseball or soccer game.  However, I'm just saying that it is so much easier and would have been better if those facilities would have been kept on the main campus.  The College had the land and room to do it.  Regardless, I guess I shouldn't be so critical because...at least they have these nice facilities and some of the smaller DIII schools would give anything to have such.  BTW, the Alma softball complex is right behind the football stadium and is very cozy.  That is the next in line for major upgrades and it will be nice for the softball team and its long-time coach (Coach Griffin, who is a Hope grad ;D :)) and well-deserved.

I personally like Adrian's setup WITHOUT the track. It leads to quite the home team atmosphere and I know for a fact coaches hate playing there because the students are literally on your sideline, our Men's Soccer coach is the one who emphasized that to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 13, 2011, 04:30:39 PM
University of Central Arkansas

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 13, 2011, 04:44:09 PM
That is truly the most legit field ever
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on June 13, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
Albion ranked 23rd in one preseason poll:

http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4278-britons-gain-pre-season-national-ranking

This took even me by surprise.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2011, 06:40:33 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that field is hard to look at?  I cannot imagine watching a whole game on it.  I must be getting old... 

Alma's looks MUCH nicer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 13, 2011, 07:40:22 PM
I don't think I could watch a full game on the field, it seems un-natural.

I think the same thing about Boise State, and that school that went to an all red surface.

I like regular green, or the variation between light and dark, but in the end, keep in green.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on June 14, 2011, 02:30:31 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2011, 06:40:33 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that field is hard to look at?  I cannot imagine watching a whole game on it.  I must be getting old... 

Well, unless maybe a "Merry Prankster?"  Have to believe the designer of the Cent Ark field must have been a graduate of Ken Kesey's "School of Cerebellar Design."  ::)

Have to agree with y'all - by the second half, my vision would be adversely affected (with the rest of my addled, decrepit senses).  ;)  Stay Green, even if dual-toned.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on June 14, 2011, 07:59:16 AM
That Central Arkansas filed is obscene. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 14, 2011, 09:04:06 AM
Am I the only one who likes that field?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on June 14, 2011, 09:05:14 AM
Personally, I agree with others here - stick to green!!!

Side question - I'm wondering how much extra "home field" advantage you might get with turf that is colored like that?  

It's a scientific fact that surrounding colors affect your vision, both depth perception and the ability to easily distinguish color.  The more chromatic (bright) the color is, and the contrast between colors (a bright purple, and a neutral gray) both contribute to this phenomena.  Given that the CA players are most likely wearing those same colors, I would expect that the abillity to see them is diminished.  I'm not talking about them disappearing, but am referring to the fact that the reaction time of the opposing team would be affected by micro-seconds.

If you practice on it, and play 50% of your games on it, I know that your eyes (well - actually your brain) will adjust to it - color vision is a learned thing as well as a natural thing.  

For the visiting teams who only play a single game there (at most 2 in a 4 year career), it will take them some time to adjust to this.  I'm guessing that the advantage would be greatest in the 1st quarter, and would diminsh from there as the game goes on.  (Sorry - occupational "hazard" - I teach people about color for a living)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 14, 2011, 09:19:20 AM
I think it looks cool but I wouldnt want to play a game or watch a game on that turf!  I thought after Boise States blue turf the NCAA regulated what colors a field could be.  Perhaps this was just rumored but I thought it to be true (because Trine toyed with the idea of an all blue field and I heard this was the main reason it didnt go any further)

Congrats to the Britons on pre season respect but as we all know those players arent putting much stock into a ranking that they havent earned yet.  Hopefully they will preform very well in their non conference schedule and throughout the MIAA (just not against Trine).  This could help gain more respect for the strength of the MIAA overall!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 14, 2011, 09:51:33 AM
How long before the NCAA steps in with some standards for field colors?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 14, 2011, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 14, 2011, 09:51:33 AM
How long before the NCAA steps in with some standards for field colors?

I believe there already is some rules about it, because we had to our maroon design approved when we were planning on having that turf design if I remember correctly......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 14, 2011, 10:56:12 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 14, 2011, 09:51:33 AM
How long before the NCAA steps in with some standards for field colors?

My preference is the traditional green turf, but the schools colors in the end zone are fine. The NCAA may be have to set some standards, when more opposing school coaches complain about the non-green colors which are a distraction for players, IMHO. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 14, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
its already sad that field turf takes away the sloppy rough mud bowls of November!  Now we want to make the field look all bright and pretty with fancy colors?!  it looks cool, but in terms of a football field, its rediculous!  Paint your bedroom school colors, not your football field!  KEEP IT GREEN!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 14, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on June 14, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
its already sad that field turf takes away the sloppy rough mud bowls of November!  Now we want to make the field look all bright and pretty with fancy colors?!  it looks cool, but in terms of a football field, its rediculous!  Paint your bedroom school colors, not your football field!  KEEP IT GREEN!

"Paint our bedroom school colors, not your football field!"     AMEN!    :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 14, 2011, 03:04:13 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on June 14, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
its already sad that field turf takes away the sloppy rough mud bowls of November!  Now we want to make the field look all bright and pretty with fancy colors?!  it looks cool, but in terms of a football field, its rediculous!  Paint your bedroom school colors, not your football field!  KEEP IT GREEN!
I know this is fun to watch, but don't tell me these kinds of games are any fun to play

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fpr%2Fathletics%2Fimg%2F09dFBPurple2.jpg&hash=72047f11630cd36b82c5f51ac76bc4861923d08a)
http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/img/09dFBPurple2.jpg
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 14, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 14, 2011, 03:04:13 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on June 14, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
its already sad that field turf takes away the sloppy rough mud bowls of November!  Now we want to make the field look all bright and pretty with fancy colors?!  it looks cool, but in terms of a football field, its rediculous!  Paint your bedroom school colors, not your football field!  KEEP IT GREEN!
I know this is fun to watch, but don't tell me these kinds of games are any fun to play

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fpr%2Fathletics%2Fimg%2F09dFBPurple2.jpg&hash=72047f11630cd36b82c5f51ac76bc4861923d08a)
http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/img/09dFBPurple2.jpg

Sflzman,

Nice Pic! ;D +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 14, 2011, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 14, 2011, 09:04:06 AM
Am I the only one who likes that field?

I like it better than the single color fields, but I don't really 'like', like it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 14, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
Some potentially great news for Hope football today, unfortunately its in a pay article from the Holland Sentinel (or the print version).

Here's the teaser version.......
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x1639218422/Holland-Hope-HPS-look-to-form-nonprofit-to-run-Municipal-Stadium



Looks like a movement is a foot to provide a means to improve Holland Municipal Stadium, which would more than likely result in an artificial field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 14, 2011, 06:24:22 PM
Quote from: sac on June 14, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
Some potentially great news for Hope football today, unfortunately its in a pay article from the Holland Sentinel (or the print version).

Here's the teaser version.......
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x1639218422/Holland-Hope-HPS-look-to-form-nonprofit-to-run-Municipal-Stadium



Looks like a movement is a foot to provide a means to improve Holland Municipal Stadium, which would more than likely result in an artificial field.

A big step in the right direction! :) This should really please Formerd3db as well! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 14, 2011, 08:19:55 PM
I'm personally glad the all blue field idea got killed at Trine.

Football doesn't need gimmicks like that to sell the sport or make it "interesting". IMO the wow factor wears off very quickly and you're left with an "oh you mean the team that copied Boise State..."

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 14, 2011, 09:31:44 PM
That is great news, guys.  I have not talked with our coaching staff for quite some time, however, plan to do so in the near future, well before August camp starts.  As we have all discussed, that stadium needs to get artificial turf - there is no question about that and the appropriateness of it whatsoever.  Yet, unfortunately, the challenge again is that the City of Holland apparently does not want to relinquish control/ownership of the stadium.  IMO, that is not the best scenario for Hope, however, not sure if that will change.  It really would be stupid/ridiculous to have three stadiums within a few hundred yards of each other i.e. the soccer/lacrosse stadium, the current football stadium and any new football stadium that Hope would build on its current football practice field if they were even ever to consider that. 

Obviously, if the City of Holland is going to continue ownership (for Holland High School and other groups as well as Hope), I guess the next best option is this one that they are considering in which at least the artificial turf is installed.  Nearby Zeeland High Schools now have better football stadium facilities than Hope and Holland High School.  We'll see what happens. If they are only talking about installing synthetic turf, then this is feasible more immediately, similar to what Albion is doing right now.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 15, 2011, 08:19:56 AM
Quote from: sflzman on June 14, 2011, 03:04:13 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on June 14, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
its already sad that field turf takes away the sloppy rough mud bowls of November!  Now we want to make the field look all bright and pretty with fancy colors?!  it looks cool, but in terms of a football field, its rediculous!  Paint your bedroom school colors, not your football field!  KEEP IT GREEN!
I know this is fun to watch, but don't tell me these kinds of games are any fun to play

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fpr%2Fathletics%2Fimg%2F09dFBPurple2.jpg&hash=72047f11630cd36b82c5f51ac76bc4861923d08a)
http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/img/09dFBPurple2.jpg

Thats football baby!!!  Those games are SOO fun to play in (as long as its not every week).  And this is coming from a former receiver!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 15, 2011, 08:21:49 AM
also, great positive news for the city of Holland and Hope College!

question, do they have a practice field on campus that they utilize and only use the city field for games?  Could be a small detriment to practice all week on grass field and then play home games on turf.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 15, 2011, 01:05:28 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 14, 2011, 09:31:44 PM
That is great news, guys.  I have not talked with our coaching staff for quite some time, however, plan to do so in the near future, well before August camp starts.  As we have all discussed, that stadium needs to get artificial turf - there is no question about that and the appropriateness of it whatsoever.  Yet, unfortunately, the challenge again is that the City of Holland apparently does not want to relinquish control/ownership of the stadium.  IMO, that is not the best scenario for Hope, however, not sure if that will change.  It really would be stupid/ridiculous to have three stadiums within a few hundred yards of each other i.e. the soccer/lacrosse stadium, the current football stadium and any new football stadium that Hope would build on its current football practice field if they were even ever to consider that. 

Obviously, if the City of Holland is going to continue ownership (for Holland High School and other groups as well as Hope), I guess the next best option is this one that they are considering in which at least the artificial turf is installed.  Nearby Zeeland High Schools now have better football stadium facilities than Hope and Holland High School.  We'll see what happens. If they are only talking about installing synthetic turf, then this is feasible more immediately, similar to what Albion is doing right now.



formerd3db,

While consideration of installing turf is a great step, so many other factions are at play that do affect Hope.
It will be unlikely that Hope can have its colors on the field, but I hope I am wrong on this. We all have to see how it plays out! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 15, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
Re: Hope College football and Holland Stadium, this article was in today's Grand Rapids Press:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2011/06/hope_college_city_and_holland.html

Interestingly enough, Grand Valley State also announced expansion plans for Lubber's Field, the Lakers football stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/lakers/index.ssf/2011/06/expansion_renovations_begin_at.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 15, 2011, 02:21:50 PM
As much as I'd like to see an all Hope field, I don't think it's fair to Holland High school to go that route.

If Hope wants a stadium that's theirs, per say, they need to find the capital to do that. Otherwise, I don't think playing on a "neutral turf field" is better then playing on the current turf...anything is an improvement, and it will be great to see Hope get it.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 15, 2011, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on June 15, 2011, 08:19:56 AM
Quote from: sflzman on June 14, 2011, 03:04:13 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on June 14, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
its already sad that field turf takes away the sloppy rough mud bowls of November!  Now we want to make the field look all bright and pretty with fancy colors?!  it looks cool, but in terms of a football field, its rediculous!  Paint your bedroom school colors, not your football field!  KEEP IT GREEN!
I know this is fun to watch, but don't tell me these kinds of games are any fun to play

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fpr%2Fathletics%2Fimg%2F09dFBPurple2.jpg&hash=72047f11630cd36b82c5f51ac76bc4861923d08a)
http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/img/09dFBPurple2.jpg

Thats football baby!!!  Those games are SOO fun to play in (as long as its not every week).  And this is coming from a former receiver!

I just never could get why those games were any fun - maybe it's just me being from the PacNW where every field we played at was turf....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 15, 2011, 03:49:12 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 15, 2011, 02:21:50 PM
As much as I'd like to see an all Hope field, I don't think it's fair to Holland High school to go that route.

If Hope wants a stadium that's theirs, per say, they need to find the capital to do that. Otherwise, I don't think playing on a "neutral turf field" is better then playing on the current turf...anything is an improvement, and it will be great to see Hope get it.

Go Trine!!!

A Blue and orange field?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 15, 2011, 05:07:12 PM
What I mean is a field with "Hope" in the end zones, or maybe their logo center field.

On a grass surface this can be painted on and changed depending on the use of the venue, but obviously with turf, the design is more "permanent".

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 15, 2011, 11:02:31 PM
I have several comments in response to all of your recent ones, if I may.

ThunderHead:  The issue for Hope is not being able to have the "capital" to do this.  Believe me, that is not a problem whatsoever - they have it and/or can raise it quite easily, however, the "problem" is do they want to.  There are enough deep pockets of alumni to get this done and quite frankly, I don't see why they just don't do it, other than the fact that the city stadium is right "smack dab" in the middle of Hope's great athletic facilities.  Also, since Hope has traditionally/historically had such a great relationship with the City of Holland, I think that is a major hurdle as they don't want to jepordize that.

As far as being fair to Holland High School, I see that as not really a problem.  If Hope bought the stadium, I'm sure they would work out some sort of fair arrangement with them for use of the field.  Admittedly, Hope was seen by Holland Christian High School as overcharging them for use of DeVos, which is one of the reasons why that h.s. left and raised their own $ to build their new very nice basketball venue on their own school property.  However, that i.e. DeVos is a "different animal".  IMO, Hope should buy the stadium and make a very fair deal with both the City and the h.s. for compensation, for example, the concessions revenue.  We'll just have to see what happens.

sac, sflzman, BOY and DBQ:  I understand your view points on the "excitement" of some of those games on that field.  However, in all seriousness and reality, that turf was/is very, very dangerous and caused many injuries when it got/gets in that condition.  Believe me, I know from personal playing experience there and now being "on the other side of the coin" i.e. sidelines.  As such, as I have said all along, IMO, it is a necessity that they go to the new style synthetic turf.

In addition, it was mentioned about practice fields.  Yes, Hope's practice fields are right next to the football stadium and in between the baseball, football, softball and soccer/lacrosse stadiums.  The football practice fields are very large, however, are in very poor condition and have the same problem as with the stadium turf.  Those would be ideal and easily carpeted also with the new style turf, just as many other universities and colleges have done for their practice fields.  The problem of current status is that Hope and the City are concerned about the extra cost if this is done and then having to bring all that equipment back to do the stadium if they decided to do that.  It is extremely more costly to do it in two steps as opposed to installing all the turf at both sites at one time.  So yes, in that aspect, if Hope installed the new style turf for practice fields, but then played their games on the natural grass in the stadium, that would not be a good situation at all.

I'll have to read the article on Grand Valley's plans for upgrading Lubber's Stadium.  Not sure why they want to do that unless they are going to put in the new style turf - that stadium is great already.  Ah, but I do recall when it was "just a field" with a hill for future stadium seating - but...that was back in the day when we (Hope) would beat them even in scrimmages (and our J.V. teams).  However, you all know that would never happen today (unless Hope got to the level of Mount Union and UWW for one year! ;D ;)).

I am anxious to see the status of Albion's new field installation.  Is there an outside "cam" continuously showing the construction progress like Trine, Adrian and some of the other schools did when they were constructing their stadiums? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 15, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
On a sad note, I just saw on the front page here that former Kalamazoo College Head Coach Terrance Brooks passed away two days ago on Monday June 13th.  What a shame, he was way too young.  I did not realize that he had gone to Sacramento State after a couple of years at the other school after he left Kazoo in 2007.  He was kind of a "nomad" assistant coach in that respect, although I understand he rejoined his former teammate who was the head man out there at Sacramento as mentioned in the article and that is totally understandable.

Anyway, I will keep his family in thought and prayer.  Very sad.  Monday was a sad day all around in that respect, as we had to put our beloved cat down due to lingering, progressing illness.  But, of course, that does not compare in any way to losing a good man like Brooks.  Nonetheless, I hate either situation. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 15, 2011, 11:22:42 PM
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I would guess the wet spring and weather have not helped the Albion project.

The schools facebook page has about 40 photos at various stages, the one above was added a couple weeks ago.

http://www.facebook.com/albioncollege


Quote from: formerd3db on June 15, 2011, 11:02:31 PM


I am anxious to see the status of Albion's new field installation.  Is there an outside "cam" continuously showing the construction progress like Trine, Adrian and some of the other schools did when they were constructing their stadiums? 

Too my shock and amazement.......yes

http://albion.edu/sports/facility-upgrades-webcam
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 16, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
formerd3db,

Great post on the Hope/Holland stadium situation! :) Your insight in depth helps everyone understand the issues in play there. IMHO, Hope has to be aggressive and have their own stadium and lead the process vs. alowing the city to set the terms. How forceful is the Hope President and is their a committee in place at Hope to set Hope's strategic plans for his long term athletic needs? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 16, 2011, 01:04:43 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 16, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
formerd3db,

Great post on the Hope/Holland stadium situation! :) Your insight in depth helps everyone understand the issues in play there. IMHO, Hope has to be aggressive and have their own stadium and lead the process vs. alowing the city to set the terms. How forceful is the Hope President and is their a committee in place at Hope to set Hope's strategic plans for his long term athletic needs? :-\

I think President Bultman is the committee for Hope's long term athletic needs  ;),  and those needs have been improved upon and met quite well for this alum.

......just need a golf course and we'll be set for awhile.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 16, 2011, 08:28:54 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 15, 2011, 11:02:31 PM

sac, sflzman, BOY and DBQ:  I understand your view points on the "excitement" of some of those games on that field.  However, in all seriousness and reality, that turf was/is very, very dangerous and caused many injuries when it got/gets in that condition. 
 

ohh I know what you mean.  I think it was my sophmore year that I tried planting on a muddy field and my knee locked and slipped right out from under me.  It turned out to be nothing serious but was pretty scary to think I could have been out for the season on a non contact play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 16, 2011, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: sac on June 16, 2011, 01:04:43 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 16, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
formerd3db,

Great post on the Hope/Holland stadium situation! :) Your insight in depth helps everyone understand the issues in play there. IMHO, Hope has to be aggressive and have their own stadium and lead the process vs. alowing the city to set the terms. How forceful is the Hope President and is their a committee in place at Hope to set Hope's strategic plans for his long term athletic needs? :-\

I think President Bultman is the committee for Hope's long term athletic needs  ;),  and those needs have been improved upon and met quite well for this alum.

......just need a golf course and we'll be set for awhile.

sac,

On college golf courses, who has them? I know OSU does, not sure of the other big schools, but maybe Hope has some room! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 16, 2011, 09:58:00 AM
Trine University has their own campus golf course to go along with a Golf Managment degree program.

We are hosting the 2012 Womens Golf National Championships!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 16, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on June 16, 2011, 09:58:00 AM
Trine University has their own campus golf course to go along with a Golf Managment degree program.

We are hosting the 2012 Womens Golf National Championships!

Did not know about Trine. Cannot be too many schools that offer Golf Mangement programs that are located in the Midwest! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gohope on June 16, 2011, 12:41:34 PM
Please keep the Kalamazoo College family in your thoughts and prayers:

http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/06/former_kalamazoo_college_footb.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 16, 2011, 12:46:38 PM
They learned from us.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2011/06/former-kalamazoo-coach-dies
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 16, 2011, 02:05:44 PM
Sad news for the Brooks family and Kalamazoo College. Thoughts and prayers for them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 16, 2011, 02:23:55 PM
Anybody heard anything about cause of death?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 16, 2011, 04:24:36 PM
It's indeed sad to hear of the death Coach Brooks. My prayers are with his family and the players he helped mold into men.

FormerD3db, I agree with everyone else, good insight into the stadium issue. I realize that relationships with a city can be tricky to handle, however why have the worst stadium in the MIAA (after upgrades at other facilities are complete) right smack dab in the middle of some outstanding athletic facilities already on campus? If money isn't an issue, I don't know why anyone would balk at renovating that place. I would think the city would be quite excited about not having to dish out the cash to upgrade the thing. Then again...I guess politics can make everything take longer then it should...

Obviously Hope has some alums with deep pockets, hopefully someone will step up and get something done, regardless of if it's the city, an alum, ect... We don't go back there till 2012, by then lets keep our fingers crossed you have something to be proud of.  :)

Go Trine!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 16, 2011, 10:18:07 PM
Thanks ThunderHead and Raider68 for you kind and supportive comments.  Yes, we'll just have to see what transpires.  Also, sac, I agree with you - Dr.(Coach) Bultman has a huge "say" in this matter, as he should.  Overall, for sure he has the difficult challenge of trying to balance the politics of it all with what we'd all like to see Hope really do.

sflzman:  The article did not mention anything about the cause of Coach Brooks death.  My "gut feeling", however, is that it was most likely cardiac related, although that is obviously purely speculation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 17, 2011, 06:11:44 AM
My condolences also to the Kzoo community--WLC was still in the MIAA during Coach Brooks' tenure, the Warriors had some real barnburners with that squad--prior to joining the Northern Athletics Conference
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 17, 2011, 11:45:59 PM
Thunderstorm coming through.  Makes me think:

Trine is the Thunder.

Most dogs seem to fear thunder (our current dog cowers; her predescessor was so terrified we had to get 'doggie tranquilizers').

Should dog lovers root against Trine? ;D

[I once considered this as a tagline: Dog Lovers Against Wheaton!]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 18, 2011, 11:16:57 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 18, 2011, 03:54:01 PM
umm...you bring up an interesting point, but I have to agree with SAC on this one. (I know I know...that's two and a row for us SAC - did we just become best friends?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2011, 04:29:29 PM
Perhaps I should take the offered 'cop-out' of intoxication, but I confess to being (mostly) sober when I posted about thunder! ;)  Shelby was cowering under my computer. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 18, 2011, 10:39:06 PM
Hopefully Mr. Y realizes I'm just messing with him.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2011, 11:26:07 PM
Quote from: sac on June 18, 2011, 10:39:06 PM
Hopefully Mr. Y realizes I'm just messing with him.  :)

And likewise. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 19, 2011, 08:16:55 AM
Happy Father's Day to all! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 22, 2011, 08:14:51 AM
Boards are real quiet even for the summer vacation time! ???

Which MIAA team will make the most improvement from 2010? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on June 22, 2011, 11:48:47 AM
I'm a homer but I got to say Hope will be a contender again this year.

Hope is used to being in the hunt for a league title every year and this 3 year drought going 3-7 each year (6 first and 6 2nd place finishes from 96 - 07) is about over in my mind.  The defense returns about everybody (either 8 or 9 guys that had significant playing time if I remember correctly) so they should be solid, but the question for Hope will be the offensive unit as they will almost all be completely different players than last years starters.   Even though Hope has struggled with wins the last few years, don't forget that Hope lost to Trine on a blocked extra point late in the 4th qtr in 08 and by 3 in 09.  On top of that they hung with some quality CCIW non conference opponents as well the last few years.  So they have been a tough oppenent overall, but they need to start pulling out more wins clearly.  I think it will happen this year as long as the offense gels and gets a good start and the defense steps it up as the leading vetern unit on the team. 

Just my thoughts.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 22, 2011, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on June 22, 2011, 11:48:47 AM
I'm a homer but I got to say Hope will be a contender again this year.

Hope is used to being in the hunt for a league title every year and this 3 year drought going 3-7 each year (6 first and 6 2nd place finishes from 96 - 07) is about over in my mind.  The defense returns about everybody (either 8 or 9 guys that had significant playing time if I remember correctly) so they should be solid, but the question for Hope will be the offensive unit as they will almost all be completely different players than last years starters.   Even though Hope has struggled with wins the last few years, don't forget that Hope lost to Trine on a blocked extra point late in the 4th qtr in 08 and by 3 in 09.  On top of that they hung with some quality CCIW non conference opponents as well the last few years.  So they have been a tough oppenent overall, but they need to start pulling out more wins clearly.  I think it will happen this year as long as the offense gels and gets a good start and the defense steps it up as the leading vetern unit on the team. 

Just my thoughts.....

Good post on Hope's outlook, thanks! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on June 22, 2011, 07:13:57 PM
Hi All, I'm back and although I have not posted anything, I have been reading your board and have to say that your members are very smart, respectful, and friendly. Are you all coaches or what? Most boards have at least some idiots, not this one!

I joined the board because it was rumored that a player from the high school in this area was going to attend Trine University. Then after I joined I heard he was talking to Arizona State. However now I heard that he is for sure going to Trine.
This is good news because it is close enough to come see some games. My friends and I saw Trine play Whitewater last year and liked them. They played a great game.
For the last two years our area high school was rated #2 in the State of Wisconsin.
The player I speak of was our two year QB. I won't bore you with stats but in two years he led the team to 22 wins and 2 losses, playing the states best every week. Like most good QB's he throws well from the run, but what makes this guy stand out is that he is deadly from the pocket. (Very Poised)
I don't know much about Trine but read enough to see that there is some great coaching going on down there.
Now I'm not saying that our QB is coming there to start and be a big star. I have no facts on anything about why he chose to go there. I have no idea what QB's they already have. But I did read about Watt and my buddies and I think that if our boy chose Trine, then there must be some great things being done there.
So no matter if our guy starts or not there will be a bunch of Wisconsin cars in Trines parking lot.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 22, 2011, 09:59:10 PM
wisd3fan2,

welcome to the board, it is a great place, and although we squabble, I respect everyone who posts here on the MIAA section.

Guys like SAC, FormerD3er, and Mr. Ypsi I assume are the longest running posters, but again, I'm not sure. Regardless they're all a lot of fun.

I have no idea on how Trine's QB situation will play out, all I know they have a lot of talent coming in at the spot and it will be good to see how the competition brings out the best in everyone. Though it will be difficult to replace Watt, they have a few guys that seem up to the challenge, it will make fall ball very interesting to say the least.

Who ever wins the job will join an experienced back and some talented receivers. The defense should be solid and if they can find a kicker, I think Trine will have an outstanding 2011 season.

Typically Trine has a lot of out-of-state athletes, so it's not surprising to see a lot of Michigan and Ohio plates on game day, but it will be good add a few Wisconsin plates as well.

Again - welcome to the board, I'm sure others will welcome you as well.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 22, 2011, 10:45:42 PM
Ever wonder how Eastern Michigan keeps its D1 football status?  Wonder no more....

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/budget-shortfalls-put-more-pressure-on-eastern-michigan-athletic-department/

The more interesting bits about football and athletics is toward the end of the article.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 22, 2011, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: sac on June 22, 2011, 10:45:42 PM
Ever wonder how Eastern Michigan keeps its D1 football status?  Wonder no more....

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/budget-shortfalls-put-more-pressure-on-eastern-michigan-athletic-department/

The more interesting bits about football and athletics is toward the end of the article.

Yeah, I almost posted that a few days ago, but didn't want to wear out my welcome!

Pepsi buys more tickets than fans do, tries to give them away, and the stadium is STILL 75% empty!  People won't even show up for FREE!  Pathetic. ::)

And the administration still thinks football is the key to attracting students?  Even more pathetic!  Sure am glad I'm retired from there. :o  EMU would greatly benefit if the administration offices were as empty as Rynearson. :P

(Lest people misunderstand - I love EMU.  It is a great school.  Despite the constant mismanagement for the last 35+ years.  You just won't find finer faculty or students [with some exceptions, of course ;)] anywhere.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on June 23, 2011, 06:50:13 AM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on June 22, 2011, 07:13:57 PM
Hi All, I'm back and although I have not posted anything, I have been reading your board and have to say that your members are very smart, respectful, and friendly. Are you all coaches or what? Most boards have at least some idiots, not this one!

I joined the board because it was rumored that a player from the high school in this area was going to attend Trine University. Then after I joined I heard he was talking to Arizona State. However now I heard that he is for sure going to Trine.
This is good news because it is close enough to come see some games. My friends and I saw Trine play Whitewater last year and liked them. They played a great game.
For the last two years our area high school was rated #2 in the State of Wisconsin.
The player I speak of was our two year QB. I won't bore you with stats but in two years he led the team to 22 wins and 2 losses, playing the states best every week. Like most good QB's he throws well from the run, but what makes this guy stand out is that he is deadly from the pocket. (Very Poised)
I don't know much about Trine but read enough to see that there is some great coaching going on down there.
Now I'm not saying that our QB is coming there to start and be a big star. I have no facts on anything about why he chose to go there. I have no idea what QB's they already have. But I did read about Watt and my buddies and I think that if our boy chose Trine, then there must be some great things being done there.
So no matter if our guy starts or not there will be a bunch of Wisconsin cars in Trines parking lot.



This is Orientation week at Trine and the excitement for football is building already!  The coaching staff spoke of concentrating on quality rather than numbers with this freshman class and yet the expectation now is that close to 100 new freshmen will report to camp in August!
You are right about Trine having some great coaches and this is nowhere more true than at the QB position.  Coach Simrell brings a wealth of experience you won't find very often at the D3 level. I'm sure the QB you are talking about was heavily influenced by that.  Replacing Eric as well as a really talented group of seniors at a lot of positions will obviously be a huge challenge for the Thunder but the cupboard certainly isn't bare! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 23, 2011, 01:27:13 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

Regarding EMU, I was pretty good friends with Coach Genyk, and for whatever reason, EMU can just not get it's football program reved up. I normally wouldn't have attended any EMU games for any reason other then my friendship with Jeff, but when I would go, though they did have some loyal fans, it was like a graveyard there. It was maybe the worst football atmosphere I have seen consistently at the D1 level.

It's no secret that the business donors allow them to keep that D1 status, because honestly their turn-gate attendance is an abomination. Though they have finally upgraded their facilities with an indoor facility, it's still a tough sell to recruits and I suspect it will stay that way for a while.

The next, and possibly first full game I see in Ypsi will be when Michigan State visits in 2018. (I think it's 2018)

They shoulda stuck with the Hurons... ;)

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 23, 2011, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 23, 2011, 01:27:13 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

Regarding EMU, I was pretty good friends with Coach Genyk, and for whatever reason, EMU can just not get it's football program reved up. I normally wouldn't have attended any EMU games for any reason other then my friendship with Jeff, but when I would go, though they did have some loyal fans, it was like a graveyard there. It was maybe the worst football atmosphere I have seen consistently at the D1 level.

It's no secret that the business donors allow them to keep that D1 status, because honestly their turn-gate attendance is an abomination. Though they have finally upgraded their facilities with an indoor facility, it's still a tough sell to recruits and I suspect it will stay that way for a while.

The next, and possibly first full game I see in Ypsi will be when Michigan State visits in 2018. (I think it's 2018)

They shoulda stuck with the Hurons... ;)

Go Trine!!!

I will bet $100 right now that game will be played at Ford Field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 23, 2011, 04:18:22 PM
I will take your bet.

That's a Mark Hollis special - it's all part of a big agreement between MSU, CMU, WMU, EMU and their athletic directors.

I've been looking for a bet I can win against you SAC.  ;D I just found it!!!

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 23, 2011, 08:13:53 PM
So far, sounds like Hope will be the most improved for 2011. Trine won the conference last year and made the playoffs, so how much more could they improve? What about Albion, Alma or K'Zoo? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 23, 2011, 08:24:07 PM
Alma recruited wideout, wideout, wideout wideout this year, so now that we have a quarterback that can actually play we should have the Scot-Gun back in action.....

Returning the whole "back 7" from last season on defense, including the MIAA's 3, 4, 5, and 12th in tackles last season....

I still think that after Trine it's gonna be Adrian, Albion, and Alma in any order for second, third, and fourth. I don't think Hope, Kalamazoo, or Olivet will be good enough to finish above the "A's" and I don't think the "A's" will be good enough to finish above Trine......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 23, 2011, 10:42:47 PM
I tell you what, that Scott Gun was scary to go against back in the day!  I am looking forward to the overall improvement of the league this year!  I would really love to see a couple of teams competing at the end of the season.  It just makes for good football.  And although I was so happy to see my Thunder do great last year, it was really upseting when the playoffs came around and all that was said about Trine is how weak the MIAA is!  Im looking forward to the MIAA not being the doormat of DIII anymore and taking down some big wigs in the playoffs!!  and it all starts with great competition during the season!

on a side note, Trines annual football golf outing is tomorrow afternoon.  I will be taking the afternoon off to enjoy wacking a small white ball and taking back some adult beverages with some of my best friends who I use to play with as well as some of the greatest coaches in DIII football.  Its always one of the highlights of my summer!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 23, 2011, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on June 22, 2011, 07:13:57 PM
Hi All, I'm back and although I have not posted anything, I have been reading your board and have to say that your members are very smart, respectful, and friendly. Are you all coaches or what? Most boards have at least some idiots, not this one!

I joined the board because it was rumored that a player from the high school in this area was going to attend Trine University. Then after I joined I heard he was talking to Arizona State. However now I heard that he is for sure going to Trine.
This is good news because it is close enough to come see some games. My friends and I saw Trine play Whitewater last year and liked them. They played a great game.
For the last two years our area high school was rated #2 in the State of Wisconsin.
The player I speak of was our two year QB. I won't bore you with stats but in two years he led the team to 22 wins and 2 losses, playing the states best every week. Like most good QB's he throws well from the run, but what makes this guy stand out is that he is deadly from the pocket. (Very Poised)
I don't know much about Trine but read enough to see that there is some great coaching going on down there.
Now I'm not saying that our QB is coming there to start and be a big star. I have no facts on anything about why he chose to go there. I have no idea what QB's they already have. But I did read about Watt and my buddies and I think that if our boy chose Trine, then there must be some great things being done there.
So no matter if our guy starts or not there will be a bunch of Wisconsin cars in Trines parking lot.

Welcome to the boards wised3fan2!!  I cant speak for anyone else but I am a proud alumnus of Trine University and the Trine University football program.  I think a lot of these people on the boards are proud parents, alumni, coaches, and just people who appreciate the sacrifice and love of the game that DIII athletes posses!

I am happy to hear about your QB and that you will now be following Trine Football!  I have heard quite a bit about a QB that was coming down from the Wisc WW area.  I can give you a couple reasons why this kid might have choosen Trine. 
1. Matt Land has built and sustained a great program that not only develops athletes but develops men
2. Facilities, I know they cant compare to DI's but Trine has done wonders on their upgraded football, housing, and other student facilities.  I cant wait for you to see them on game day!
3. Education, Trine has a great engineering program that attracts a great amount of athletes who realize the importance of education first (im not sure if hes looking at eng or not)
4. and possibly the most important, QB coach Dan Simmrell.  He did wonders developing Watt as a quarterback and has experience that is rare to have at the coaching level in DIII.  In my time getting to work with Coach Simmrell it was amazing to get instruction from him.  He has an amazing youthful vigor and extreme passion for the game of football...much like all of his student athletes
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 24, 2011, 04:01:38 PM
If the kid from the UW Whitewater area is named Yoder, yeah I have heard some good thing about him too.

It sounds like they have 5 or 6 in-coming QB's this year and it will be an all out dog fight for the position. I have my favorite, but time will tell.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on June 24, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
Hi all,
Thanks for the comments, your probably right on why he chose Trine.... sounds like a great school. And Coaches.
I don't think I want to say this kids name. It was in the paper that he was talking to Trine way last Nov. around here, and I have never seen it in any publications from down there.
One advantage of DIII is that they don't have to tell there recruits... but anyway it is not Yoder. And like I said , I have no idea about who is their starter or really anything about them. Just they have a team that is on the rise, Big Time.
Most people around here thought that our QB would get a Big 10 offer and I think he just never got it. I know he got many DI offers and ended up at Trine, so now we are Trine Fans. When you watch him play you feel his love of the game ...so perhaps he found the perfect place to play. Anyway save some parking for us Wisconsin guys!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 24, 2011, 06:18:48 PM
wisd3fan2,

My bad, Yoder is from Indiana or Ohio, not Wisconsin.

I assume you're talking about Dylan Rauch from Monona Grove High School in Wisconsin. I could be wrong because you stated this kid was 22-2 as a starter, but Rauch wasn't the starting QB until game four of his jr. year. Percy got hurt, and he moved in. Kondrasuk was the QB the year before. I see Rauch at 19-2, not 30-3 (or 22-2). - Though still a great record, 19-2 is where he sits as far as I can tell.

Also, I don't see any public offers for Rausch, sometimes this happens, as staff's get fired and so forth when an offer is presented, or still in it's verbal state. Again, you stated he had many D1 offers, so maybe it's not Rauch, but he's my guess.

I'm sure that Coach Sims recruited him (whoever he is) because he's solid, but if you have a web reference to actual offers he received and turned down to attend Trine, I'd like to see that. Again, if it's Rausch we're talking about. (most recruiting services have that information publicly displayed for D1 schools, especially at the QB spot)

Either way it's good for Trine, and as far as I can tell, Rauch will be the second Big Ten caliber QB on the roster next fall.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Green Dragoon on June 24, 2011, 09:07:58 PM
Yoder is from Concord High School in northern Indiana. He held offers from D2 schools Ashland (OH) and Bemedji St. (MN). Should be interesting to see who lines up under center this year for Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 24, 2011, 11:01:06 PM
Green Dragon,

It will very interesting to see who takes the snaps. I'm almost positive Hargrave will fight hard and obviously the transfer aint no slouch and has big program experience.

I think most of the QBs coming in are from big high schools and use to good competition. I wouldn't count anyone out but definitly I think there will quickly be a top 3. That leaves a few guys out in the cold.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 26, 2011, 05:15:13 PM
Will Olivet win a few games this fall? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 26, 2011, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 26, 2011, 05:15:13 PM
Will Olivet win a few games this fall? :-\

They might beat Cornell ... but my money is on the Rams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on June 27, 2011, 05:45:38 PM
Question for the Trine guys:  I see lots of talk for the QB position- which I understand given last year's performance. However, in watching the UWW game, I felt the weaknesses for Trine were the Defense (inability to stop the run especially but not only) and the lack of a running game. 
Do you feel Trine will be improved in these areas?   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 27, 2011, 06:04:22 PM
Formerd3db,

Congrats on hitting +600K's. Keep up your great posts! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on June 28, 2011, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2011, 04:35:28 PM

Coach Lou Holtz delivered the commencement address for my son's graduation at Trine yesterday.  Have to admit it was pretty entertaining.  Coach Bobby Knight did it last year.   


I just got back from hearing Lou Holtz speak during a session at our CoSIDA Convention here in Marco Island, Florida. His speech was very good and told some very good jokes!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 28, 2011, 08:49:24 PM
::UHG:: >:(

I just found out tonight I mightt have to "re-locate" to AZ for the fall, due to our companies developing product line.

I hate the thought of missing Trine football in person - and just B1G Football in general.

Then to top it off - the noon games would start at 9am over in AZ.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed this does not happen, I'm to old for this anyway.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2011, 08:58:14 PM
Good luck, TH!

'Proper' tailgating before a noon game is bad enough; 'proper' tailgating before a 9am game is a sign of trouble! :o ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on June 28, 2011, 09:35:55 PM
Welcome to Pac-10 football, TH.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on June 29, 2011, 03:33:36 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on June 28, 2011, 08:49:24 PM
::UHG:: >:(

I just found out tonight I mightt have to "re-locate" to AZ for the fall, due to our companies developing product line.


Been done before - migas, "breakfast" burritos, and tamales aren't all that bad as tailgating fare.   ;)  The challenge, here, is coming up with "midnight munch" with the heavily buffered radio coverage...

Cheers!   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on June 29, 2011, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: emma17 on June 27, 2011, 05:45:38 PM
Question for the Trine guys:  I see lots of talk for the QB position- which I understand given last year's performance. However, in watching the UWW game, I felt the weaknesses for Trine were the Defense (inability to stop the run especially but not only) and the lack of a running game. 
Do you feel Trine will be improved in these areas?   

Emma,

I'm sure everyone's run defense and rushing attack looks like a weakness when playing UWW. That is what happens when you play a team as good as they are. But Trine ran for over 230 yards/game last year while only giving up 117 yards/game on defense and I think those numbers will be similar this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on June 29, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
Diezel- good point on UWW - so let's take them out of the picture and consider other teams Trine would have/could have played in last year's playoffs- North Central, Wesley and Mt Union. North Central and Mt Union are similar teams in style- to each other and to UWW.  Do you feel Trine will be improved in the areas mentioned to compete with these style/caliber teams?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 29, 2011, 02:16:45 PM
Quote from: emma17 on June 29, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
Diezel- good point on UWW - so let's take them out of the picture and consider other teams Trine would have/could have played in last year's playoffs- North Central, Wesley and Mt Union. North Central and Mt Union are similar teams in style- to each other and to UWW.  Do you feel Trine will be improved in the areas mentioned to compete with these style/caliber teams?

I think Trine would have competed VERY favorably with most if not all of those teams you mentioned, last year.  I thought they played fairly well on the road against UWW.  If not for the fumble near the end zone towards the end of the game, the score MIGHT have been even closer.  Then, an on-side kick, etc.. etc...  Shoulda...woulda...coulda...I know. 

Trine will be returning their senior multi all conference running back.  They will be returning most of their linebackers and secondary.  I am not sure about the o-line and d-line yet, but they have very good depth.   Whomever the QB ends up being may not have a great deal of game time experience but all of the contenders have had very good reviews and are coached up very well.   I do not think Trine will have the let down that others believe, in spite of losing Watt.  The recent sucess has brought in some very strong recruiting classes from all that I have heard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on June 29, 2011, 02:22:46 PM
Emma,

I think they will be improved in those areas. Each year the coaching staff has done a great job bringing in better athletes which is helping the program get better. They are continuing to build a program that they believe will compete with the UWW's, Mt. Unions, and NC's. Every year is a stepping stone in that direction and so far they have done that. I know the coaches don't believe in moral victories but to go from 0-10 in 2005 to only losing by 14 last year at UWW means things are headed where they want to be. In 2011, for Trine to be succesful, I think there will be added pressure on the running game and the defense as a whole until the new qb gets settled in
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 29, 2011, 02:49:13 PM
I think your last point is a very good one Diezel.

It is very difficult for any team to play ever aspect of the game to the very best potential or to have the best possible recruites in every position accross the field.  Every team has these weaknesses and I'm sure if we look at game film close enough we will even find some of those in UWW, Union, and N Cent.  When Trine first started their transition and during their first 10-0 season they relied heavily on the defense.  The offense had some very young talent so the defense was much of the reason for eaking out many close games and getting a young offense great field position.  With the maturing of Eric Watt and the offensive specialty positions, and losses at key positions on defense the power of the team seemed to switch more to the offensive side for the next couple years (lets not forget about the defense, they continued to be stout and give the offense great opportunities.)

I would not be suprised to see a similar shift in this just like Deizel said.  A higher emphasis and dominance in the running game for the offense to help ease the pressure on a new/young quarterback, as well as beefing up defensive positions and depth to make it strong across the board to allow a great support for the offense.


What is great is that the more Trine improves the less drastic these transitions become.  Still expect Trine to be strong in the passing game because thats what better recruiting allows you to do but I do expect them to have a more balanced attack.  I think the coaching staff is going to have all the weapons they need to fire away on some great game plans!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on June 29, 2011, 03:13:18 PM
As far as west coast tailgating: blah. I do have some friends in the PAC 10, and they think I'll really enjoy the style of play out there, but still, I'm quite attached to B1G play, and have come to really enjoy the teams and programs.

I'll also obviously miss Trine games, I am really looking forward to the product Coach Land will put on the field this year.

Gosh Dang it, - glad they stream.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 29, 2011, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 28, 2011, 08:58:14 PM
Good luck, TH!

'Proper' tailgating before a noon game is bad enough; 'proper' tailgating before a 9am game is a sign of trouble! :o ;D
And if you have ever lived in Hawai'i, then you have had the NFL Today for breakfast!  ;D :D

It is really weird having all of the NFL games over by 2pm, except for Sunday Night Football!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on June 29, 2011, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 29, 2011, 03:50:57 PM

It is really weird having all of the NFL games over by 2pm, except for Sunday Night Football!

It is pretty bizarre catching the last two minutes with morning coffee in Afrika as well.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on June 29, 2011, 10:56:32 PM
Boya, Diezel and Uncle,
I'm glad to hear it.  I became a Trine fan at the UWW game last year as I thought they were a heck of a team.  So often you see teams that become identified by one aspect of their game and they don't seem to get better in the areas that are needed for deep playoff runs. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 30, 2011, 08:52:21 AM
glad to here your on board emma!  are you a UWW fan as well or just happened to check out that game last year?!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on June 30, 2011, 09:08:39 AM
They're starting to lay the turf at Albion: http://albion.edu/sports/facility-upgrades-webcam
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on June 30, 2011, 09:59:04 AM
Hi everyone.  First time poster here.  Stumbled across the D3 boards last fall and have been reading posts off and on throughout Trine's season and playoff run and figured it was time to register an account here.  I am an Angola resident for 8 years and have been going to Trine's home games, when I can, for about 3 or 4 years now.  All you fans of the other MIAA teams are going to think "geez...just what we need, another Trine guy...ugh".  :)  I love college football, watch Big 10 games, and am a long suffering IU fan.  Still waiting for IU to get their program turned around and hope Coach Wilson is the man to do it. 

Enjoyed the season last year, loved the effort put in by the guys, and you can tell Coach Land is very well respected by his players.  Of course Eric Watt just had a phenomenal year.  Such a great kid both on and off the football field.  The new stadium is a huge plus!  Before it just seemed like a high school field, and now with the new stadium it was definitely an upgrade that needed to be made to take the program to the next level.  I love the fact that Trine has added a music program to their curriculum and has a marching band.   Just adds that much more to the game day experience.

I feel that going forward into this season that Trine will be fine offensively.  Obviously replacing Watt will be key.  Even though Hargraves did a good job backing up Watt last season, I am looking foward to the new faces coming in.  Should be a lot of competion in fall camp for the QB position.  The skill positons will be solid.  Does anyone know if Mario Brown is returning?  He was lost for the year to a preseason injury last year and was a key receiver from the year before.  Hatch returns at receiver and Biller and Ayers return as the running backs.  Wyman at tight end was a big target for Watt so hope we have a good replacement there.  The O-Line loses a couple starters but the backups received a lot of playing time last season and should slide right in.

Now defensively I beleive is where we have a lot of question marks, especially at D-line.  We lost 4 seniors in that D-line rotation who were all solid last year.  How do you other Trine posters feel about the depth there?  This is a big conern.  Linebackers will be ok, we lose Vance and Killingbeck but there was a lot of depth developed there last year.  Our best D-back is gone from last year in safety Aaron Selking.  Outside of Watt he was easily our most valuable player.  Pound for pound I've never seen a tougher player and he could really lay the wood for a 170lb guy!  Plus he was a terrific punt return guy too.  Replacing our PK will be huge.  Howard had a fine career and always had deep kickoffs.  I remember a game from last year where Howard was out for a half because he had an exam and the backup was really awful!  Hope we have some freshmen who can compete for that position.

Well that's my preseason synapsys of TU football.  Love reading posts from you guys who have inside information to the program.  Go Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on June 30, 2011, 10:08:18 AM
Welcome aboard, and nice to have someone who understands island parties at Clear Lake and Bledsoe's Beach (maybe not from the '60s  ::))!

signed,

former Bryan native  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 30, 2011, 10:29:46 AM
Welcome TUAngola,

Hope you enjoy the posters and making a contribution! :) +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on June 30, 2011, 01:28:01 PM
Boya- I am a UWW guy/alum but a D III fan. I've seen quite a few teams over the years and like most people, I take a liking to some more than others. For me Trine is an easy team to like and pull for- heck, even their uniforms are cool.  I'll support Trine until a rematch w the Warhawks or North Central (close to home).

Welcome TuAngola
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 30, 2011, 01:30:41 PM
looks like they're almost half done with laying the turf at Albion.....

http://albion.edu/sports/facility-upgrades-webcam

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on June 30, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
Welcome TUAngola! 

Yes Mario Brown will be back next year.  I've seen him getting after it in the weightroom so far this summer and hes putting in some hard work already.  Dont forget Cody Nash-Kniffen also back at receiver and De Vonte Hence back at the slot/running back position.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on June 30, 2011, 05:53:29 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome fellow posters.  Now if i can only figure out how you guys get your avatars I will be all set...sorta.

cave2bens...I grew up on a farm a couple miles south of Clear Lake, so yes I know the Island.  Used to ride my bike to the public beach when I was a kid.  It was a great place to swim after those long hay baling days.  But unfortunately erosion has left little beach over the years.  I know some improvements are being made to the beach which is much needed.  The view from the top of the public beach hill looking down across the lake is awesome and a great place to watch sunsets.  And yes I am old enough to have played at Bledsoe's Beach back in its heyday.

BOYA87...yes I mistook JaVonte Hence's name when I said "Hatch" in my prior post.  He is a great weapon on offense, can pick up yards on the ground and receiving.  Good to hear Brown will be back.  Just think if he would have played last year...there definitely would not have been enough footballs to go around to everyone! So will Nash-Kniffen be our deep threat now that Curtis has graduated or will Brown fill that role?  There were other receivers who gained game experience too as most of TU's starters were on the bench by the end of the 3Q in most of their games last year. 


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on June 30, 2011, 06:30:34 PM
Do you feel Pence will get/take a shot at one of the next levels?  I thought he was a heck of a player and it seems he has the speed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 30, 2011, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on June 30, 2011, 05:53:29 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome fellow posters.  Now if i can only figure out how you guys get your avatars I will be all set...sorta.

I'm sure you'd like a Trine helmet. Click PROFILE on the top of the page, then FORUM PROFILE INFORMATION then you can paste this link in and save:

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/TrineFootball.GIF

or a logo: http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/TrineThunder.GIF
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on June 30, 2011, 11:20:15 PM
I'm sure you'd like a Trine helmet. Click PROFILE on the top of the page, then FORUM PROFILE INFORMATION then you can paste this link in and save:

Thanks sflzman for the link...that was mighty kind of you.  Now I have my "T" on!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 01, 2011, 09:12:53 AM
I think Hence is a great athlete with all the skill in the world.  Could have been a circumstance of not having the size to get the big DI looks coming out of HS.  Hence is going into his JR year though and we gotta remember these kids are here for an education.  I cant imagine he would want to leave to try and find bigger (but maybe not better) opportunities.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 01, 2011, 03:07:06 PM
I haven't heard, did Eric Watt receive any interest at all at playing football beyond college?  I thought he had a terrific skill set and physical attributes to maybe get a look somewhere.  Or did he accept a job offer or maybe go back to school to get a masters or advanced degree?  Those that may know I would be curious to find out what he is doing these days. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 01, 2011, 04:10:30 PM
I don't know what Eric did, I heard through the non-Trine grapevine that he wasn't spectacular at combine workouts and was really light weight wise.

Either way the kids a winner, I hope he does well where ever he goes.

Go Trine!!!

ps - welcome to the board TUAngola
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on July 01, 2011, 04:46:26 PM
Boya- if you were replying to me I was asking about Curtis Pence (I believe that is his name)- is he trying out at any of the next levels?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 01, 2011, 09:18:10 PM
Have a GREAT and safe 4th of July people.

May all your fireworks go bang.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 02, 2011, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on July 01, 2011, 09:18:10 PM
Have a GREAT and safe 4th of July people.

May all your fireworks go bang.

Go Trine!!!

Thunderhead,

Are you staying around or being transferred? Hope it works out for you :)!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 03, 2011, 01:11:29 AM
Raider68,

Looks like I'll be transferring, it's a 90% done deal. It's a bit frustrating for me but I suppose one does what needs to be done in today's economy. I'm thankful I have a job, but it's ironic in a lot of ways. I got out of coaching football because changing jobs required serious moving, an uncertain future, and allowed no time with the family.

Now - two of those things are still true, the only one that I have now is a solid future. I guess one can never know.

On a side note, we are in Holland vacationing and me and the kid stopped by Hope's stadium. Needless to say, we jumped the fence and tossed the ball around a little. The field is in very rough shape. Then we went to the practice soccer field, and - well, it was manicured and groomed as well as most game fields.

Anyway - again, I hope everyone is having a great weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 03, 2011, 12:11:34 PM
I think the football program has shown that they should deserve a new stadium at Hope. I really don't get why schools wont reward their best programs with the best facilities....

Here at Alma, we buld a brand new gym for our two terrible basketball teams, but then only build a bare minimum softball stadium because of title nine with a crappy old scoreboard, even though that is one of the top three programs in the whole conference.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on July 05, 2011, 08:44:57 AM
TUAngola,

I know Watt did receive interest from some teams and his weight was a concern for them but from what I heard was the teams did like his skills. Unfortunately, the lockout has affected him and many other players in similar situations.

Emma,

Are you referring to Paul Curtis the WR?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 05, 2011, 12:38:40 PM
Speaking of players playing in the pros - Mackenzie McGrady currently leads the top division in Finland in total offense, and is leading the Butchers to a 3-1 record, 2nd place right now:

http://www.sajl.org/vaahteraliiga/2011/confldrs.htm#conf.wi2

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 05, 2011, 02:47:44 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 03, 2011, 12:11:34 PM
I think the football program has shown that they should deserve a new stadium at Hope. I really don't get why schools wont reward their best programs with the best facilities....

Here at Alma, we buld a brand new gym for our two terrible basketball teams, but then only build a bare minimum softball stadium because of title nine with a crappy old scoreboard, even though that is one of the top three programs in the whole conference.....

Adminstrators make some stupid moves that lack common sense. I just witnessed Mount Union make one regarding season ticket renewal! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 05, 2011, 03:24:58 PM
I know this is a football board, so try not to knock me to much for this, but I just watched the Casey Anthony verdict.

Pretty interesting; I aligned myself to go to Law school after my four, but took a different path. Needless to say, I spent quite a few of my college years in pre-Law classes, and in my opinion this verdict isn't as shocking as many think.

The prosecutors here over-reached badly based on the overall available body of both indirect and direct evidence. How they could look at the above and think they could get a 1st degree murder conviction is beyond me. The quick verdict goes to show exactly how evident a lack of evidence was in this case.

It's a terrible thing a child died, there is no way around that, and as a parent it makes me sick. However, the case just lacked anything beyond circumstantial evidence, there was no direct evidence to really speak of. If I was in the jury box based on what they jury was instructed and the information they were privy to, I couldn't come back with a guilty verdict either.

This will be studied for years in law schools across the country as complete prosecutorial arrogance when it comes to what the body of evidence supports. It hopefully sends a message to prosecutors across the nation, charge what the evidence supports, not what looks good in the headlines. Charge what you can prove, not what you think you can get a jury to reach to believe.

Now I realize that there were secondary charges, but again - they failed to prove this with direct evidence.

Did she do it? Maybe. Did the prosecution prove she did it beyond a reasonable doubt? Nope. That was pretty clear to all 12 jurors, and it didn't take them long to agree.

Anyway - I normally wouldn't have brought this up, because it's a hot topic and I'm fully aware not many people will share this opinion, however this is a big case that probably borders on the level of OJ.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 05, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
Thunderhead

I totally agree with you on that one. I too thought that she probably did it, and I think that's it's terrible that the kid died, but there wasn't a way legally you could say she did it....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 05, 2011, 08:23:19 PM
I have to concur on all points.

I have little doubt she did it and should burn in hell (fortunately only the courts are required to have a presumption of innocence ;)), but the solid evidence just didn't exist.

Perhaps she, like OJ, will 'get away with murder', only to be tripped up later by her 'can't touch me' mentality.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 06, 2011, 10:00:05 AM
With summer camp approximately 6 weeks out for the MIAA, what will be the forecasted standings and what will be the major competitive "key" position battles for the top teams this fall?  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 06, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 06, 2011, 10:00:05 AM
With summer camp approximately 6 weeks out for the MIAA, what will be the forecasted standings and what will be the major competitive "key" position battles for the top teams this fall?  :-\


Well the standings is gonna be 1. Trine 2-4. the A schools 5. Hope 6. Kalamazoo and 7. Olivet

I think position battles, the major one is obviously who is going to replace Watt at Trine.

Another question at the QB spot will be who is going to replace McGee at Adrian.

Corry McCain is done at Kalamazoo too, so that's going to be a big question, seeing who can be the go to guy for Kzoo. I think Alma is looking at a similar situation this year with Schaar leaving. Austin Montgomery was decent, Lennaman is more of a slot guy, Barak Henderson could potentially be the biggest big play threat in the conference at WR along with JC Cruise of Albion if he could stay healthy and didn't have stone hands....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 06, 2011, 05:18:08 PM
Six weeks? Trine reports August 9th for camp.

Are other schools start later?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 06, 2011, 09:33:51 PM
Alma reports the 14th
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 06, 2011, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 06, 2011, 10:00:05 AM
With summer camp approximately 6 weeks out for the MIAA, what will be the forecasted standings and what will be the major competitive "key" position battles for the top teams this fall?  :-\


I think Trine should come out on top again, but it won't be as clear cut as the last two years.  They graduated an outstanding senior class and have to replace around 10 starters total from last years starting 22, plus both the kicker and punter.  My pre-season rankings would go like this:  1) Trine 2) Albion 3) Alma 4) Adrian 5) Hope 6) Kalamazoo and 7) Olivet.

Of course everyone that follows the MIAA knows the QB position is going to be key at Trine.  We haven't had to worry about that spot for 3+ years.  Hargraves is the heir apparant but it sounds like a transfer and a couple of highly touted high school QB's will give him a run for the postion in summer camp.  On the D side of the ball the D-line was hit hard by graduation, so filling those holes is IMO one of the keys for the defense having a successful year.  Also finding a replacement for Selking at FS will be huge.  He was just a flat out playmaker who spearheaded that D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 07, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 06, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
... JC Cruise of Albion if he could stay healthy and didn't have stone hands....

Is this the same JC Cruse from the Briton's basketball team? 

If so, it's quite interesting that in last year's football roster he is listed as a Junior (6'3" 205) and in last year's basketball roster he is listed as a Senior (6'4" 190).  Maybe those listings are by eligibility instead of academics??

Leaves me with two questions:

- Does he have a year of football eligibility left (I'm pretty certain he's done with the round ball)?

- Does he go on a diet and get stretched or shrunk between seasons?   ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 07, 2011, 04:49:14 PM
Flying Dutch Fan,

While I cannot attest to the measurement standards at Albion, I can speak to the incredibly in-accurate measurement standards of most high end high school evaluation camps, and college one day recruiting camps.

The issue is that sometimes you have shorter people lining these guys up, and it effects the angle of the ruler, or the drop of the "cross bar". Also - weight, for whatever reason, fluctuates a great deal as well.  

The big joke among most recruits when I coached was "hey rick, how tall are you today?" Then Rick would say "oh I'm 6'3'' today" and they would all laugh because yesterday he was measured in at 6'2'' at another camp.

So maybe that's the case here, maybe the guy doing the measurements for the hoops team was in-accurate or vice-verse with football, most coaches leave the measuring up to the GA's or administrative assistants, who often feel rushed by guys waiting in line. I'm not sure, but likely no one was trying to be in-accurate, but rather - they just didn't care enough to be absolutely perfect in their procedure.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 07, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 07, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 06, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
... JC Cruise of Albion if he could stay healthy and didn't have stone hands....

Is this the same JC Cruse from the Briton's basketball team? 

If so, it's quite interesting that in last year's football roster he is listed as a Junior (6'3" 205) and in last year's basketball roster he is listed as a Senior (6'4" 190).  Maybe those listings are by eligibility instead of academics??

Leaves me with two questions:

- Does he have a year of football eligibility left (I'm pretty certain he's done with the round ball)?

- Does he go on a diet and get stretched or shrunk between seasons?   ;D  ;D  ;D

It is the same guy - and I guess I never looked at the basketball roster as to his year since I was thinking of football. Also, about his wait, I'm sure it's one of those things where he turned in a basketball "bio sheet" his freshman year, and then probably turned in a new one for football in a later year.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 08, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
Hello to all my friends here.  No, I haven't left the board, it's just that I've been away on vacation for a week, then came back, then was away again for the 4th of July weekend, then "back to the grind" again this week.  It has been busy, so I really haven't had time to post, although I've been "lurking" once in awhile ;D, just to see what you've all been discussing.  Some good discussion in this "last hurrah" of the off-season before camps start.

I have to agree with you regarding the early league predictions that you've posted.  However, as we all know, the MIAA gets crazy by mid-season.  At Hope, football starts/physicals are on Aug 15th.  It will be here before we know it.  It is exciting this time of year, although I will admit, I still want to enjoy more of the summer for awhile before then! ;)

Anyway, I hope you all are doing well. I'll start posting again more often in the near future.  Right now, I don't have much of any substance to say (at least that is of importance ::) :)).  Until our next, take care friends.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 08, 2011, 02:54:49 PM
One other item.  I forgot to welcome the new posters to our board.  So welcome and glad to have you join us! (And no, it doesn't matter if you are another Trine supporter! :)  The more of each college, the better, IMO.  As the others have said, we have a great group here. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 08, 2011, 07:21:57 PM
Nice to see you back FormerD3db, funny, I was on vacation too, IN Holland, MI.

I guess it's true, one mans work zone is another man's paradise. Though we opted for the Grand Haven beach over Holland, it was still great. I just wish everything didn't close down at 9pm in downton, LOL

Anyway - it was great to get up there again. Definitly worth the trip to those who have never been.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 09, 2011, 08:10:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 08, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
Hello to all my friends here.  No, I haven't left the board, it's just that I've been away on vacation for a week, then came back, then was away again for the 4th of July weekend, then "back to the grind" again this week.  It has been busy, so I really haven't had time to post, although I've been "lurking" once in awhile ;D, just to see what you've all been discussing.  Some good discussion in this "last hurrah" of the off-season before camps start.

I have to agree with you regarding the early league predictions that you've posted.  However, as we all know, the MIAA gets crazy by mid-season.  At Hope, football starts/physicals are on Aug 15th.  It will be here before we know it.  It is exciting this time of year, although I will admit, I still want to enjoy more of the summer for awhile before then! ;)

Anyway, I hope you all are doing well. I'll start posting again more often in the near future.  Right now, I don't have much of any substance to say (at least that is of importance ::) :)).  Until our next, take care friends.

formerd3db

Formerd3db,

Glad you are back, and you enjoyed your time to relax! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 11, 2011, 08:22:45 AM
Thanks Raider and ThunderHead.  Yes, it is good to get away even if it is just for a "short time".  Glad you enjoyed your time on West Michigan's coast, Thunderhead.  Yes, downtown Holland is nice, including the beach/state park and Lake Macatawa, but so is Grand Haven.  Also, sorry to hear that your job situation will require you to be moving from this region.  That is always a tough decision no matter when it occurs in one's career - so many factors involved.  Yet, as you know, you have to do what is best for you and the family.  Sometimes, the Good Lord points us in a different pathway for awhile than we would think or perhaps even want.  Anyway, when the time comes for your re-location, I wish you all the best in the future.  I also hope that perhaps you will have the time and still want to post on our board and these.  Perhaps you will also find interest in one of the DIII schools in and/or closest to your new residence/region.  You having been involved with DI level football, I'm sure you will be able to find some following with a (some) team (s) in the region as well.  Keep us updated.

Raider, hope you and your wife have "settled in" from your recent move, although I know how that goes and there are always things that get delayed in being "put away" or arranged, etc.  

Anyway, hope you both (and our other friends) here enjoy this month of July.  It is passing by all too quickly already.  You know that in just 4 days, it will be the middle of the month already.  Sometimes (for various reasons), I find that very depressing and sobering!  :(;D ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 11, 2011, 09:54:42 AM
Updates on Alma's football turf:

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2011/07/10/bahlke11 (http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2011/07/10/bahlke11)
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alma.edu%2Frepository%2Fathletics%2Ffootball%2Fgallery%2FNewTurf%2FDSC_0224.jpg&hash=9c63e5a913ffa4820035f8b15e2f37384d0d53e6)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 11, 2011, 02:52:12 PM
sflzman,

Thanks for the pics! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 11, 2011, 10:43:51 PM
Oops!  Not sure how I got those lines in my last post - those aren't supposed to be there.  I will see if I can edit the lines without deleting the sentences! ::) :P

Also, yes, sflzman, I join Raider 68 in thanking you for sending us the pics of the progress of Alma's new turf installation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 12, 2011, 09:22:25 AM
There's more pictures up now in a different gallery, the whole field, along with all the painting is going to be done by Thursday....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 12, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Any of you D3 Alumni ever have the urge to walk back out on the field and just run sprints like the good ole days?!  I joined one of Trine's seniors for the tail end of his workout yesterday and it felt good to be back out on the turf!  It was a verys short sprint workout for me, but definitely enjoyable!

Its crazy the things you miss about football once its gone.  All those workouts, sprints, and practices that you couldnt wait to be over with.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 12, 2011, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on July 12, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Any of you D3 Alumni ever have the urge to walk back out on the field and just run sprints like the good ole days?!  I joined one of Trine's seniors for the tail end of his workout yesterday and it felt good to be back out on the turf!  It was a verys short sprint workout for me, but definitely enjoyable!

Its crazy the things you miss about football once its gone.  All those workouts, sprints, and practices that you couldnt wait to be over with.

When I came to Mount Union as a freshman, the second thing we had to do after our physicals for summer camp was run the mile for time. Backs and ends under 6 minutes, lineman, LBs under 6:30. Not sure how many schools do that these days. I do remember how it affected so many prior to starting summer camp. If you did not make the time, you were not issued equipment and a playbook. You had to eventually make the time! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 12, 2011, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 12, 2011, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on July 12, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Any of you D3 Alumni ever have the urge to walk back out on the field and just run sprints like the good ole days?!  I joined one of Trine's seniors for the tail end of his workout yesterday and it felt good to be back out on the turf!  It was a verys short sprint workout for me, but definitely enjoyable!

Its crazy the things you miss about football once its gone.  All those workouts, sprints, and practices that you couldnt wait to be over with.

When I came to Mount Union as a freshman, the second thing we had to do after our physicals for summer camp was run the mile for time. Backs and ends under 6 minutes, lineman, LBs under 6:30. Not sure how many schools do that these days. I do remember how it affected so many prior to starting summer camp. If you did not make the time, you were not issued equipment and a playbook. You had to eventually make the time! :o

Alma has a similar thing that is at the end of the first day at camp that all players know is coming a dread....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 12, 2011, 10:00:37 PM
Well, BOYA87, I do get those urges at times, particularly for wanting to put a "hit on someone", especially when being on the sidelines at a game on Saturdays! ;D  Actually, I have gone out there on a couple of occasions for a lacrosse practice in the recent past and "held my own", believe it or not. ::), although I obviously could not keep up with you in a sustained session, since you are still a young guy! :)  Also, in response to the other aspect mentioned by Raider68.  Back in my day at Hope, right after physicals, we had to a) do our bench press and vertical high jump then b) run our 40 yard dash time and then finally c) run the 880 yard run.  Regarding the latter, linemen had to do it under 2:45 and backs/ends/all others had to do it under 2:25.  Now the latter is obviously very slow for you track guys, however, I remember some crazy stories with that.  My senior year I benched 350 lbs (I was the strongest player "man for man" on the team that year I was told), although I don't remember what my vertical jump was; I ran a 4.6 in my 40 yard dash (not bad at that time for a db, but would be very slow today - although my brother back then in college ran a 4.45 and 4.50 - he was 10 times the athlete I was) and I also did the 880 in 2:06, which was also not bad for me I guess? ??? ::).  I was very proud of that at the time as I had worked my tail off during the summer in my workouts and was in the best shape that I've ever been in my entire life that year!

sfflzman: The Alma new turf is of the same design as Illinois Wesleyan's new turf which was just installed a couple of weeks ago also i.e. they have alternating different green colors every five yards.  I guess that is the "new trend" design currently! :)  It does look great, however.  Still, wouldn't it have been "a gas" to have had the field be maroon?! ;D ::) :o :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 13, 2011, 08:57:24 AM
Trine also has what we call "The Run Test" on the first day of camp!  It is usually something of a brutal nature, like anywhere from 15-20 110 yd sprints with specialty players needing to make each one under 15 or 16 sec.  I can remember for sure remember which.

This is a brutal shock to the body at the beginning of camp but being a DIII athlete it is so important to push yourself to accomplish the workouts in the summer and this is a great way of weeding through those athletes.  If you didnt make the times then you were required to get up at 6 AM before the first 2-a-day practices and do extra conditionings until you passed those new conditioning tests.

I was never a fast receiver, my fastest 40 was a 4.7, but I always prided myself on being the best conditioned player on the field.  I think that really shown through for me in my Jr season when in our 10 game season I sat out only 23 offensive plays.

I think its good for these boys to get a little whippin at the beginning of camp!  Its definitely a good motivator for teh summer workouts!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 13, 2011, 06:33:22 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on July 13, 2011, 08:57:24 AM
Trine also has what we call "The Run Test" on the first day of camp!  It is usually something of a brutal nature, like anywhere from 15-20 110 yd sprints with specialty players needing to make each one under 15 or 16 sec.  I can remember for sure remember which.

This is a brutal shock to the body at the beginning of camp but being a DIII athlete it is so important to push yourself to accomplish the workouts in the summer and this is a great way of weeding through those athletes.  If you didnt make the times then you were required to get up at 6 AM before the first 2-a-day practices and do extra conditionings until you passed those new conditioning tests.

I was never a fast receiver, my fastest 40 was a 4.7, but I always prided myself on being the best conditioned player on the field.  I think that really shown through for me in my Jr season when in our 10 game season I sat out only 23 offensive plays.

I think its good for these boys to get a little whippin at the beginning of camp!  Its definitely a good motivator for teh summer workouts!

It would be interesting to compare summer camp drills for D1, D2 and D3? They may be more similiar than we may think! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on July 13, 2011, 08:18:54 PM
Summer Camps and testing is more related to the coaching staff and the direction of University.

I know several HS programs that have very serious testing and "requirements" to earn playing time.
There are HS teams that have outstanding weight training and conditioning requirements.
These schools always perform well each year, the talent at schools change every year the conditioning can equalize the lack of sheer athletic talent.

teams that commit to condition and weight training are closer and more dedicated to each other and the game. These athletes are will put more heart and pride in their teams performance

Looking forward to a new year, looks like the league will be a little tighter this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 13, 2011, 10:18:14 PM
This is totally off topic, but anybody watching the ESPY's? That story for the Arthur Ashe award winner was amazing!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 14, 2011, 01:50:20 PM
Albion's field looks done for the most part.  Today (or at least while I tuned in), it looks like they're laying the rubber pieces into the "grass".

Mildly entertaining even.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 14, 2011, 06:29:53 PM
It looks too full of rubber from the 50 to 40 on the right side of the screen....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 14, 2011, 06:53:10 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 14, 2011, 06:29:53 PM
It looks too full of rubber from the 50 to 40 on the right side of the screen....

When I checked in I saw 3 machines.......one laying the rubber, another that looked like some sort of rolling machine, and a third that looked like a vacuum of some kind.

All the work was being done on the left side, so perhaps they're just done for the day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 14, 2011, 10:10:08 PM
Oh btw the whole thing was done here today bc cheerleading starts on it tomorrow morning. Should be able to get some pics tomorrow morn for u guys
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 15, 2011, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 14, 2011, 10:10:08 PM
Oh btw the whole thing was done here today bc cheerleading starts on it tomorrow morning. Should be able to get some pics tomorrow morn for u guys

sflzman,

Any info on the turf's cost. Normally it is close to $1M, depending on the prep work? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 15, 2011, 09:05:06 AM
http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/gallery/?img=DSC_0311.jpg&path=/July_14_2011

Here's new pictures, but these were taken earlier in the day ysterday O believe because the "A" in the center isn't in, and the "ALMA" towards the sideline across the 40-45, 45-50, 50-45, and 45-40 (a letter in each area of colored turf)

And about the cost, I don't know exactly but I may be able to find out....

Also here is a pic of the design for the scoreboard/videoboard that is going to be on the field:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1081.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj344%2Fsflzman%2Fscoreboard.jpg&hash=eeda6bd1fc7d469a243f71b4b51b6766bb6da796)
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/sflzman/scoreboard.jpg
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 15, 2011, 10:34:26 AM
sac, sflzman and Raider:

Thanks for keeping us updated on the field installations at both "A"s and the cost info, you guys. That is exciting and, wow, the electronic scoreboard at Alma looks fantastic.

As far as the cost, it just goes to show you how that has increased in recent years, just like everything else.  When the new style turf first came out back around 1999, the cost of the turf itself was about 1/2 M dollars (i.e. about $550,000 as compared to the old style turf which cost anywhere from $800,000 and above).  At that time, in addition to the better safety aspects of the new turf, it obviously made it much more affordable for schools.  The "problem" was that most of the small colleges couldn't just "have the new turf put in" as they had to either renovate/update or entirely redo their stadiums and, in many cases, build entire new stadiums and associated facitities for those.  That obviously increased the cost so that it was upwards of $2 M to do at the very least.

Yet, today, for a school like Alma in just replacing their old "new style" turf, it is basically the cost of the turf plus the labor.  However, as I mentioned, you can see that the turf alone now has essentially doubled in cost over the past decade plus, just like everything else in the world for products and services.  Anyway, these new fields look great.  Again, I hate to say it (and we've all discussed this before), when Kazoo gets their field in, unfortunately it will be Hope that will be left "at the bottom of the barrel" as far as football stadiums.  Assuming, of course, that Kazoo gets theirs in before Hope, which is a distinct possibility, even though "we all know how Kazoo does things" on their own time ;D

I hope you all have a great weekend.  The summer is going by all too quickly.  Even though I've had  chance to get away for some vacation, I feel like "I'm spinning my wheels" in regards to enjoying the summer even more - always too much other things that must be done (like the job) and always seeming like there is just not enough hours in the day/days in the week. ;D ::)  Oh well, such is life.  Anyway, all the best to you all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 15, 2011, 12:06:08 PM
I guess the field dedline was pushed back to today, so the center a, the ALMA in the green in midfield, and the endzone script are all still to be done....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on July 15, 2011, 12:57:40 PM
Hope's 2011 pre-seaon outlook from their website:

The Flying Dutchmen approach the season faced with a schedule identical to the 2010 campaign. The 102nd year of Hope football will find coach Dean Kreps' Flying Dutchmen trying to shake off the affects of three consecutive 3-7 campaigns.

The pre-season roster includes 39 players returning from the 2010 squad. The strength of the team would appear to be its defense which could return as many as nine starters from a unit that allowed only nine rushing touchdowns over 10 games, among the best in NCAA Division III. The offense faces a major rebuilding job with the return of just two starters.

The co-captains of the team will be senior Josh Droppers of Portage (Portage Northern HS), junior Brian Lynn of Holland (Holland HS), Ben Van Ausdall of Hudsonville (Unity Christian HS), and Kyle Warren of Grandville (Unity Christian HS). Droppers and Warren are two-time All-MIAA first team honorees, Droppers at offensive tackle and Warren at defensive back.

Droppers and senior guard Alex Doman of Royal Oak (Brother Rice) are the only returning offensive starters. Among the returning players who saw considerable action last season is sophomore tailback Shawn Jackson of Granger, Ind. (Camden Frontier HS) who in five games as a freshman rushed for 397 yards on 81 carries, a team-best 4.9 yards per carry average. His accomplishments included a 93-yard touchdown run, second longest in school history.

Bringing experience to the defense are five players who have lettered for three seasons – back Dan Karam of Grosse Pointe Woods (Warren DeLaSalle HS), end Jared Kimber of Bedford, Ohio (Bedford HS), end Jordan Morse of Sparta (Sparta HS), back Chris Schmelz of Chelsea (Chelsea HS), and back Kyle Warren. Morse, who is a fifth-year senior, was named to the All-MIAA second team in 2010. He led the team in quarterback sacks (5.5) and tackles for a loss (12.5). Warren has been in the starting lineup since his freshman year while Karam, Morse and senior back Marcus Bradstreet of Grandville (Grandville HS) have been starters the past two seasons.

The Flying Dutchmen return experienced special teams players. Sophomore punter Aaron Thompson of Imlay City (Imlay City HS) was named to the All-MIAA second team as a freshman. Twice during the 2010 season he was named the MIAA's special teams player of the week. He averaged 37.2 yards per punt, had none blocked in 63 attempts and had four punts go over 50 yards, including one covering 70 yards. Placekicker Evan Finch of Ann Arbor (Pioneer HS) was a perfect 16-for-16 on PATs and made 2-of-3 field goals. Chris Schmelz was among the NCAA Division III punt return leaders ranking 20th nationally with an average of 12.7 yards on 17 returns.

The Flying Dutchmen, who will be seeking their first non-league victory since the 2004 season-opener, open on the road at Illinois Wesleyan on Saturday, Sept. 3. The home opener will be the traditional Community Day game against Wisconsin Lutheran on Saturday, Sept. 10. A season highlight will be a night home game against longtime MIAA rival Kalamazoo on Saturday, Oct. 8. Homecoming will be a week later with the Albion Britons coming to town.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 15, 2011, 08:35:25 PM
Hey there, hope everyone is having a great summer.

Someone wondered the difference between D1 conditioning and D3 conditioning (testing).

Most D1 programs I've been associated with run 100's in sets, with the time designated for completion growing by a second or two every other rep.  They also make full use of their stadium stairs, and as you know, at most D1 programs, the stadium stairs are no small matter. These tests are run almost daily during two-a-days, and during periods like right now. They lessen during the season, but occasionally show up if the staff feels they need to "re-commit" their athletes.

Everything done testing wise is generally timed or "on the clock by position", and the advantage you have at the D1 level is there is a dedicated coaching staffs that is only concerned about the "strength and conditioning" of the players. While many D3 programs have a coach who handles that area, D1 programs have more then a few guys who worry nothing about football (X and O) and everything about a kids speed, stamina, and strength along with his weight. That makes a big difference in how programs are designed, and how practice time is planned and used.

D3 programs also have such large numbers, that conditioning can be used to weed people out, and while that is true to an extent at the D1 level, most coaches have done away with their "black fridays" (ala Urban Meyer), and typically only get drastic with workouts when the staff is new to the program and a program attitude needs to be re-established.

I would also add, that it's my experience D1 athletes as a whole are a different beast then D3 counterparts. While there are some fine athletes at the D3 level, pound for pound, most of the kids on D1 programs are held to a much higher standard (time wise) as athletes, and with cause, as the bar can be set higher and a majority can make it under their designated time with maximum effort. Place D1 drill times at some (not all) D3 programs, and 70% of the team wouldn't make the cut.

It's not a matter of "lowing standards" per say, as much as it is adjusting your standards to fit your athletes and get the most out of them where they're at.

Anyway - just my experience and two cents when it comes to the difference in conditioning programs. Overall the goal is to push a guy to be the best he can be, if you've got guy who can breeze through his mile at 6:30 mark, in my book, his time needs to be adjusted to push his personal pace. Again though, that's the advantage a D1 program has, with a dedicated staff, each player is reviewed constantly by a staff not worried about "football game prep" regarding the athletes overall ability and how it can be improved in regards to strength and conditioning.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 15, 2011, 10:26:37 PM
Thanks for the comparison info, ThunderHead.  Also, glad to see you back posting.  For sure, the summer is passing by all too quickly.  BTW, when does your upcoming move/relocation take place?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 16, 2011, 01:30:12 AM
formerd3db,

No problem on the comparison regarding D1 and D3 testing and conditioning. Again, that's just my experience, I'm sure there are plenty of counter examples.

I move mid-August, which was delayed from mid-July (18th).

I know some guys at Arizona, so they've taken care of me ticket wise, and I'm sure I'll be spending more then a few Saturdays watching the Nick Foles and the Wildcats.

I will miss my Trine Thunder, but will pick them up via the streaming audio at 9am or 10am. I guess it will make good tailgating audio.

How about you, you gearing up for the season.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 19, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
anyone here about K-zoo's recent bid awarded to build their new football stadium and fieldhouse?!  I received an email on it at work but I am unable to find a good link with pictures and information about it.  Looks like a great facility when all is said and done and will include baseball, softball, and soccer in the renovations as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 19, 2011, 12:04:01 PM
Their home games this year are going to be played at WMU
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 19, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 19, 2011, 12:04:01 PM
Their home games this year are going to be played at WMU

That will be easy, just go up the street! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 19, 2011, 12:41:16 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 19, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 19, 2011, 12:04:01 PM
Their home games this year are going to be played at WMU

That will be easy, just go up the street! ;D

Yes. Not much of a geographical change at all - that stadiums going to look like there's no-one there!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 19, 2011, 02:40:46 PM
Have they decided on what to do with the Kzoo/Alma game on Oct 29?

Western is hosting Ball State that afternoon at 2pm.


On Sept 17, WMU is hosting CMU at noon, Kzoo will play Rose-Hulman that night.  Always a fun day to hang around the WMU campus.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hazzben on July 19, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on July 15, 2011, 08:35:25 PM
It's not a matter of "lowing standards" per say, as much as it is adjusting your standards to fit your athletes and get the most out of them where they're at.

Anyway - just my experience and two cents when it comes to the difference in conditioning programs. Overall the goal is to push a guy to be the best he can be, if you've got guy who can breeze through his mile at 6:30 mark, in my book, his time needs to be adjusted to push his personal pace. Again though, that's the advantage a D1 program has, with a dedicated staff, each player is reviewed constantly by a staff not worried about "football game prep" regarding the athletes overall ability and how it can be improved in regards to strength and conditioning.

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty accurate. Back when my dad was playing they still did 1 mile timed runs during camp. He was an All-America o-lineman who qualified for the state track meet in HS so the coach always made him run his mile with the RB's! He hated it, but it made sense too.

At Bethel we'd do conditioning runs across the practice fields (two 50 yd fields set side by side). You'd typically have to go down-back-down, or down-back-down-back for an unknown number of reps. The coaches knew who should be outclassing their position guys and would typically expect LB's to catch the slower RB's and WR's in the group that had started a few seconds before them, etc. I loved it. It built position cohesiveness and was a great competitive motivator. You know the upperclassmen at each position were hounding the slower guys not to get passed by anyone from another position.

Personally, I thought the best part was that the running usually didn't end until a player beat a coach at some pre-determined competition. The players usually got to pick their representative and then the coaches would announce the contest. Maybe throwing a football 35-40 yards and seeing who got it closest to a pre-determined target, etc. We loved it as players and it built up that need to be mentally tough when you were tired or the pain just kept coming. Man, I miss doing stuff like that!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 19, 2011, 05:26:26 PM
Quote from: sac on July 19, 2011, 02:40:46 PM
Have they decided on what to do with the Kzoo/Alma game on Oct 29?

Western is hosting Ball State that afternoon at 2pm.


On Sept 17, WMU is hosting CMU at noon, Kzoo will play Rose-Hulman that night.  Always a fun day to hang around the WMU campus.

The talk as of right now is the alma game will be played at 7 or 8 that night....but they have also talked about moving locations, so i don't know....

it's supposed to be worked out this week
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 19, 2011, 07:08:48 PM
Interesting they're going to play at WMU, from the road the stadium isn't very impressive, but once inside and on the field, it really has a big time feel.

I haven't been to a WMU in while, so I'm not sure - does WMU fill the place during the season?

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 20, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on July 19, 2011, 07:08:48 PM
Interesting they're going to play at WMU, from the road the stadium isn't very impressive, but once inside and on the field, it really has a big time feel.

I haven't been to a WMU in while, so I'm not sure - does WMU fill the place during the season?

Go Trine!!!

That will be a neat experience for them playing in WMU's Waldo Stadium, even though it will be quite empty.  Many years ago, Kazoo used to scrimmage WMU on occasion.  In regards to your question, WMU doesn't fill the place during the season, unfortunately.  If I recall correctly, a couple years ago or so on the last game of the season for the MIAA,  Hope outdrew them in having over some 3,000 people at their game while the same day, WMU was hosting EMU and had a lesser crowd.  Quite sad for DI programs. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 20, 2011, 08:24:42 AM
wow that is sad! I cant imagine how disheartening that could be playing for a DI program with a big stadium that barely has anyone in it!  I know our MIAA stadiums cant seat hoards of people but I would much rather play in from of 4000 with a couple hundred in standing room only rather than play in from of maybe 6 thousand with tons of empy seating!

I love the DIII atmosphere!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 20, 2011, 12:04:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 20, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on July 19, 2011, 07:08:48 PM
Interesting they're going to play at WMU, from the road the stadium isn't very impressive, but once inside and on the field, it really has a big time feel.

I haven't been to a WMU in while, so I'm not sure - does WMU fill the place during the season?

Go Trine!!!

That will be a neat experience for them playing in WMU's Waldo Stadium, even though it will be quite empty.  Many years ago, Kazoo used to scrimmage WMU on occasion.  In regards to your question, WMU doesn't fill the place during the season, unfortunately.  If I recall correctly, a couple years ago or so on the last game of the season for the MIAA,  Hope outdrew them in having over some 3,000 people at their game while the same day, WMU was hosting EMU and had a lesser crowd.  Quite sad for DI programs.  

When we lived in the area, WMU never did really draw. Maybe it was their uniforms back then and the fact that
they were not a top tier MAC team, but nor is EMU and their attendance is at the same level. Glad D3 teams
do as well as they can, but have much less to cover in terms of athletic budgets! A winning reputation does help solve attendance issues, however! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 20, 2011, 01:21:47 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on July 20, 2011, 08:24:42 AM
I love the DIII atmosphere!

We truly are fortunate with the fan support in the MIAA.  We have great attendance for many sports, including top 20 in the nation for the sports below, both as individual schools and as a conference (from NCAA stats):

Football - Trine (#8), MIAA (#12)
Men's Soccer - Hope (#2)
Volleyball - Hope (#1), MIAA (#3)
Men's Basketball - Hope (#1), Calvin (#3), MIAA (#1)
Women's Basketball - Hope (#1), Calvin (#8), MIAA (#2)
Softball - Alma (#9)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 21, 2011, 01:28:03 AM
Western draws below 20,000 (in the 15-20 range) for every home game except Central Michigan.  They have dwindling attendance as the weather turns colder and drew just over 8,000 for their last game which brought the avg for the season under 15,000.    The CMU game will almost always be near or close to a full house.


Western's 6 homes last year drew 85,530 total........25,000 less than the expected attendance for their first game this year in Ann Arbor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 21, 2011, 09:03:04 AM
haha I love all the #'s flying around!  Good stat work guys!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 22, 2011, 03:26:41 AM
Quote from: sac on July 21, 2011, 01:28:03 AM
Western draws below 20,000 (in the 15-20 range) for every home game except Central Michigan.  They have dwindling attendance as the weather turns colder and drew just over 8,000 for their last game which brought the avg for the season under 15,000.    The CMU game will almost always be near or close to a full house.


Western's 6 homes last year drew 85,530 total........25,000 less than the expected attendance for their first game this year in Ann Arbor.

All of which is another reason why they and the rest of the MAC should really be FCS teams (formerly D-IAA teams) instead of at the FBS level. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 22, 2011, 08:06:52 PM
FormerD3er,

I can see your point on the FCS deal, but most MAC programs do have facilities, money, student and alumni support (when good) that far out way their typical FCS counter parts. (there are a few exceptions)

Then again, most guys out east would far rather play for an FCS program out their then a MAC program over here.

Still - I think as a whole, they are where they need to be. It's tough for MAC schools to compete with ever developing Big Brother programs in Michigan.

I've worked at a few FCS schools, and even the weakest MAC school has a higher level of football priority then most FCS programs. (again, minus a few)

Anyway, just my two cents. Go Trine!!!


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 23, 2011, 09:27:48 AM
I have sort of a poll question to my fellow MIAA posters.  With the continued upgrade to most of the member school football fields/stadiums, how would you rate the facilities of the member schools 1-7?  Factor in such things as seating, press box, playing surface, locker rooms, scoreboard/videoboard, concessions, parking, etc.  How is the game day atmosphere (tailgating, fan support) at other member schools?  I have some free Saturdays this fall and want to do at least one road trip to one of Trine's games (my work schedule has played havoc with my football Saturdays in the past :().  I beleive their conference road games this year are at Alma, Olivet and Albion.  Your input would be much appreciated. 

On a side note, does anyone have any links to preseason Div III football polls?  MIAA polls? I haven't come across any yet.  Is it too early?  Getting antsy for football!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 23, 2011, 10:44:18 AM
Based on pure facilities it probably ranks
Trine
Alma
Adrian
Albion
Olivet
Kalamazoo
Hope

But I couldn't really tell you about atmosphere for football games, because though I've been to all the facilities I haven't seen a football game at anywhere besides Alma and Albion.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 24, 2011, 03:25:07 PM
as for facilities I would go

Trine-great surface, lights, VIP areas, locker rooms, weight facilities, new viewboard coming this year
Adrian-great surface (dont like all the other lines on it for soccer, lax, ect) great stadium and press box too
Alma/Albion-will have to wait and see the finished product
Olivet-nice surface, sub par visitors locker rooms but I am not sure what the rest of the facility has to offer
Kalamazoo- although the new plans look great and woul bump them maybe to #2 once i see the finished product.
and finally Hope- no explenation necessary!

Trine and Adrian seem to have the best consistent atmosphere for their games.  Great student, parent and community support it seems like.  I was always impressed with Alma and Albions fans as well.  Probably the worst follow and atmosphere I would think is Kalamazoo but everyone wants to follow winners and that just hasnt been the case for them of recent years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
ThunderHead:

Good analysis and I know what you mean about a great number of the FCS programs.  Some are, well, in all honesty...quite "crummy".  I understand what you are saying about the MAC, and particularly since you have been involved in DI level football (I, too, have followed many of those type of programs with interest (including from a historical standpoint).  Yet, while some of the MAC programs have great stadiums and actually good programs (and some, decent attendance like Central Michigan and Toledo), overall, they will never reach the level of the "major" programs, regardless of if they continue to play such programs for their non-conference games.  Sure, occasionally, they will beat a major program such as a Big Ten team (like CMU did when they beat MSU in recent years and back in the early 1990's; also when Toledo has recently beaten Purdue a couple of times).  However, overall, they will not reach that level.

So, that is where I'm coming from in regards to that standpoint i.e. there are FBS programs that really should remain "Mid-Major", the others are what I rate as the "Top Tier" i.e. the really major programs; and then I personally would add a third sub-level for those "not so good" FCS programs that you are talking about.  Of course, that type of rating division that I would have will never come to be.  Nonetheless, for practical purposes, that is how I see it in reality.  One last aspect; I am not saying the MAC programs are not good because, overall, they would kick the tar out of the best DII, DI-AA (I mean lower FCS) and even the best DIII team (except perhaps Mount Union's and Wis-Whitewater's best teams ever ;D :o ::)).  However, I just don't rate them in the same category as say the major DI conference teams.  Now Cincinnati is a different "animal".  While they have attendance like the top MAC teams, they have purposely over the last 2 1/2 decades built their program to be a very major one (obviously, at the start of that process, it was very difficult, yet from a "pathway" standpoint viable because of being an Independent back then.

Anyway, that is my own $0.02 worth! ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 24, 2011, 07:01:23 PM
formerd3db,

Regarding MAC schools never being big D1 level programs, well I would agree there, but mainly due to do their location compared to big D1 programs.

Take the WAC for example, those programs are similar to MAC programs in many ways, yet they are seen in a better light due to their distance from Big programs. Utah, Boise State, and Fresno State are a few examples of schools that have made the most of their demographic location. They have an advantage over EMU, WMU, CMU, Miami of Ohio - ect, who are all stuck in the thick of the Big Ten region.

This all said, I don't think the MAC will ever "compete" with the B1G for obvious reasons. However I don't think they fit in the FCS either. I think they are legitimate D1 programs, that if over looked, can always give their B1G counterparts a run for their money.

And while some FCS schools can definitely play spoiler (App State v Michigan), 98% of the FCS schools can get over looked and will still lose to Big programs, unlike MAC programs.

I think it comes down to the schools involvement in the sport, and their commitment to back up a program fiscally.  WMU, CMU, Toledo, Miami of Ohio, ect - have no problem spending the money that most FCS schools simply would never approve under their budget.

I don't think you can place programs at the D1 level based on a programs performance on the field, otherwise you open up an entirely different can of worms that would call for considerable evaluation and re-evaluation.

If I could change anything in college football, it would be how D3 football is handled scholarship wise, but that's a completely different topic for another day.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2011, 07:03:25 PM
BOYA87, sflzman and TUAngola:

Good points about and ratings of the stadiums/facilities.  The only difference in opinion I have with you might be on a couple of minor aspects:  

I think Trine and Adrian have the best stadiums as far as design, with Albion being a very close second because of its "old historical" setting.  As I've mentioned before, Albion's pressbox is horrible and I hope that was one of the aspects being improved along with the new synthetic turf being installed.

Hope and Kalamazoo are kind of "tied right" now, IMO.  Kazoo's pressbox is horribly outdated (from the 1930's), yet the "bowl" atmospshere of Angell Field is great and the natural turf has been good (actually tremendously better than Hope's).  Despite poor attendance at Kazoo, nonetheless, they do have a huge, fantastic "Tailgate" atmosphere from the parents of the players and, on rare occasions, had some huge crowds - I've mentioned the latter before, but about 4-5 years ago, they had over 4,000 in attendance for their Homecoming game against Hope - and that was a great sight to see.  Hope's facilities have been discussed here extensively, but the drawback aside from the field conditions is the visitors lockerooms (and for that matter, its own since the players have to walk a distance from the latter to get to the stadium).  The press box is very spacious and Hope's overall atmosphere is great because the community supports it so well, including for attendance.  All that being said, if and once Kazoo's new stadium and turf gets completed, I think that will vault them ahead of Hope as far as facilities, unless Hope makes the improvements/upgrades that we've all been discussing.

Alma's new turf and scoreboard will definitely be a huge plus and as sflzman knows, they do have a decent fan attendance/following and support of the community.  A few drawbacks in regards to the pressbox and stadium steps, but that is minor.

Olivet's stadium has been a very major improvement.  I don't think the visitor's locker rooms are that bad (at least not as compared to Kazoo's and Hope's) and besides, they are right at the endzone, so an easy job onto the field.  Olivet has suffered from poor records obviously the past couple of years and that has hurt their attendance tremendously.  But overall, their stadium is nice for a facility its size and is on a very historic location as it has been for over a 120+ years.

Speaking of stadiums, on my recent vacation trip, I stopped by Grinnell College in Iowa and their stadium, while smaller, is fantastic.  It is a true "bowl stadium" type atmosphere, with permanent seating built into a hill on the visitors side/pine trees surrounding on 3 sides, the visitors side has the huge athletic complex/center walls the entire length giving it that "bowl" feel.  One endzone, as mentioned is a hill with pine trees; the other is a very nice bricked/concrete concourse between the two athletic buildings (similar to Eastern Michigan's stadium) where you can stand overlooking the field/stadium and watch the game.  I really like it along with their campus, which is huge and a great mix of old preserved buildings and new ones with the latter an even more mix of modern design for some, while others in similar design to their oldest buildings from the late 1800's/i.e. pre-1900 and early turn-of-the-century.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2011, 07:16:42 PM
ThunderHead:

I am pretty much in agreement with you (certainly some FCS schools just can't be compared in the same category as others - again, why I think there should/could be a different level between DII and the FCS - but...that would probably create too may divisions - just like when DIII was considering splitting into their own sub-divisions - and I'm not sure the NCAA could handle that! Heck, they can't handle what they have now!!j ::) :o ;D.  I, too, have always believed in the concept that it isn't the size of the school, but rather the commitment its administration is willing to put into the program, just as you have mentioned.  I personally love it when the smaller schools end up beating the BIG ones.  I recall one year when Joe Tiller was coaching at Purdue and Toledo beat them, he made the comment to the media that "we shouldn't be playing those guys".  We'll, I had to laugh because his reasoning was simply flawed...if, as he contended, they were so good, they should slam a team like Toledo every time.  However, where he was wrong is that they for sure should be playing those guys on occasion - he just needed his team to be better prepared for that day's particular game.  Anyway, I love to see the underdogs pull the upset.  I've mentioned this here before as well, but as you and others know, for years people wanted to kick Northwestern out of the Big Ten.  Well, they have smaller enrollment, but have proven they can be competitive with the major programs and they did it the right way.  Similar reasoning for Tulane when Tommy Bowden took them to 12-0 that year and they were not a slouch team at all (although admittedly, they have not done so well in recent years).  On the smaller level, Dayton beat Yale a decade or so ago as I recall, but admittedly, that time as compared to now is very different.  But, my point is that I agree with you in regards to the school deciding what it wants to do at the level it is.

Now...sometime in the future, we certainly should have that discussion about DIII and the scholarship issues - but...perhaps off-line. ;D ::) :o ;) for obvious reasons!!!! 


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 24, 2011, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 24, 2011, 07:03:25 PM

Alma's new turf and scoreboard will definitely be a huge plus and as sflzman knows, they do have a decent fan attendance/following and support of the community.  A few drawbacks in regards to the pressbox and stadium steps, but that is minor.


I will admit, I did a faceplant going up those at one of the rainy games these past years  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 24, 2011, 10:02:15 PM
A face plant uh?

I remember back in my coaching days trying to motivate my position group by telling them I'd run the stadium stairs if they met the "board goals" in our upcoming game.

Well wouldn't you know it, they did, and on Sunday I put on my training shoes and proceed from field level to the first level of stadium seating. Well, going up wasn't so bad, but then on the way down, I mis-stepped and planted badly. Despite their best efforts, they couldn't help but laugh hysterically while I was recovering from the tumble.

It was more then embarrassing for me, and of course, I never lived it down with that group. Let's just say I never made stair running a motivational tool again, at least as it related to ME running them.  ;)

Did you at least get a friendly hand-up from a fellow Scot? My guys were less then helpful...

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 25, 2011, 09:51:04 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 23, 2011, 10:44:18 AM
Based on pure facilities it probably ranks
Trine
Alma
Adrian
Albion
Olivet
Kalamazoo
Hope

But I couldn't really tell you about atmosphere for football games, because though I've been to all the facilities I haven't seen a football game at anywhere besides Alma and Albion.....

Wish i comment on the facilities, but i have only seen Kalamazoo! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 25, 2011, 10:19:02 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 24, 2011, 07:03:25 PM
...Kazoo's pressbox is horribly outdated (from the 1930's)...


This video is for you formerd3db

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG0xyie5u-4&feature=player_embedded



Some renderings of Kzoo's overall project which is much more than just the football stadium.......it also includes an on campus fitness center (not sure if that has started or if not, when).  

http://kzoo.edu/sports/news/fieldsproject/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on July 25, 2011, 08:03:50 PM
Here is a question for you re-warriors...

how many MIAA programs have bands that play?

At big programs the band is a huge atmospheric component to game day's across the country, but at how many D3 programs do bands exist? Common or un-common?

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on July 26, 2011, 06:00:35 AM
Albion and Alma have had bands for a long time. Adrian added a band recently, and Trine I believe added a band last year. Olivet used to have a marching band, I believe, but no longer. And no marching band for Hope or Kzoo I think.

Does anyone know if there's some reason Hope doesn't have a marching band? Qith the quality of their music program, the size of their enrollment, and the strength of many High School bands in the area I would think they could put together a pretty good one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on July 25, 2011, 08:03:50 PM
Here is a question for you re-warriors...

how many MIAA programs have bands that play?

At big programs the band is a huge atmospheric component to game day's across the country, but at how many D3 programs do bands exist? Common or un-common?

Go Trine!!!

Nothing better than the Kiltie Marching Band. They're a big game day attraction at Alma.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themorningsun.com%2Fcontent%2Farticles%2F2010%2F10%2F07%2Fentertainment%2Fdoc4cad07a384f5d097254856.jpg&hash=a59fb2941e7f3c3c399920cff900c31680044ba4)
http://www.themorningsun.com/content/articles/2010/10/07/entertainment/doc4cad07a384f5d097254856.jpg

I've also seen Albion's marching band and it doesn't quite top Alma's though. Hope I assum has one since they have a pep band at their basketball games....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2011, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on July 25, 2011, 08:03:50 PM
Here is a question for you re-warriors...

how many MIAA programs have bands that play?

At big programs the band is a huge atmospheric component to game day's across the country, but at how many D3 programs do bands exist? Common or un-common?

Go Trine!!!

Nothing better than the Kiltie Marching Band. They're a big game day attraction at Alma.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themorningsun.com%2Fcontent%2Farticles%2F2010%2F10%2F07%2Fentertainment%2Fdoc4cad07a384f5d097254856.jpg&hash=a59fb2941e7f3c3c399920cff900c31680044ba4)
http://www.themorningsun.com/content/articles/2010/10/07/entertainment/doc4cad07a384f5d097254856.jpg

I've also seen Albion's marching band and it doesn't quite top Alma's though. Hope I assum has one since they have a pep band at their basketball games....

Hope has neither a marching band or a pep band.  The pep band has been gone for several years, and the marching band even longer.  Home football games generally feature a local high school band. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 12:16:36 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2011, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on July 25, 2011, 08:03:50 PM
Here is a question for you re-warriors...

how many MIAA programs have bands that play?

At big programs the band is a huge atmospheric component to game day's across the country, but at how many D3 programs do bands exist? Common or un-common?

Go Trine!!!

Nothing better than the Kiltie Marching Band. They're a big game day attraction at Alma.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themorningsun.com%2Fcontent%2Farticles%2F2010%2F10%2F07%2Fentertainment%2Fdoc4cad07a384f5d097254856.jpg&hash=a59fb2941e7f3c3c399920cff900c31680044ba4)
http://www.themorningsun.com/content/articles/2010/10/07/entertainment/doc4cad07a384f5d097254856.jpg

I've also seen Albion's marching band and it doesn't quite top Alma's though. Hope I assum has one since they have a pep band at their basketball games....

Hope has neither a marching band or a pep band.  The pep band has been gone for several years, and the marching band even longer.  Home football games generally feature a local high school band. 

I thought Hope had a band at their basketball games though?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2011, 05:17:17 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 12:16:36 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2011, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on July 25, 2011, 08:03:50 PM
Here is a question for you re-warriors...

how many MIAA programs have bands that play?

At big programs the band is a huge atmospheric component to game day's across the country, but at how many D3 programs do bands exist? Common or un-common?

Go Trine!!!

Nothing better than the Kiltie Marching Band. They're a big game day attraction at Alma.

I've also seen Albion's marching band and it doesn't quite top Alma's though. Hope I assum has one since they have a pep band at their basketball games....

Hope has neither a marching band or a pep band.  The pep band has been gone for several years, and the marching band even longer.  Home football games generally feature a local high school band. 

I thought Hope had a band at their basketball games though?

Not recently - the "Anchor Band" has not been at Hope basketball games since maybe the first year in DeVos.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 26, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 12:16:36 PM

I thought Hope had a band at their basketball games though?

They invite high schools to come in, Zeeland, West Ottawa, Saugutuck have all been there recently.  Even McBain comes all the way down to Holland once a year.

Either there is not enough interest from students to do a band, or there isn't enough interest from the faculty to put one together.  Most likely both.

I hear Hope is considering building a new music building, so perhaps in the future.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 06:23:55 PM
Was there one at the Hope/Calvin game on TV? Cuz that's why I had thought it, I could have sworn I heard a band....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2011, 06:26:23 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 06:23:55 PM
Was there one at the Hope/Calvin game on TV? Cuz that's why I had thought it, I could have sworn I heard a band....

As sac mentioned - that was one of the high school bands
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 07:41:05 PM
Ok. Thanks. Thats where my thought came from. Interesting that a campus that big wouldn't have a marching/pep band.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 26, 2011, 09:57:21 PM
First, sac, thanks for the video of the beginning of the Kazoo Angell Field demolition.  Oh my, a lot of history going down with those bricks, etc.  My only regret was that they should have saved that old metal historic spiral staircase in the press box, at least to put in their museum or use as a sculpture at the new stadium.  Oh well.

Secondly, to yours and the others inquiries about bands, yes, Olivet used to have a very good marching band i.e. "The Big O" marching band.  As mentioned, they unfortunately dropped the program a few years ago, which was a shame since they have a very good music department and program at the college.  I heard, however, that they are going to reinstate the marching band soon, although I don't think it will be this upcoming season.

With regard to Hope, please allow me to say that there has been a serious and huge interest by the students in having a marching band for several years.  I know this because my own daughters were part of a group that attempted to get the College to do so.  However, the administration was not interested.  That, too, is a shame because Hope has a great music program.  When I played football there (many moons ago ;D), the pep band was at home football games, even though they had always brought high school marching bands in for home games.  I always remember studying/watching game film up in Coach Smith's office (we had a really neat little cubby hole room in the old (now torn down Carnegie-Schouten gymnasium) early on Thursdays by myself before going out to practice later in the afternoon and hearing the pep band practicing while marching down the street on campus between there and the other buildings (the street is now closed to form part of the main campus green i.e. the historic Pine Grove) - I oculd hear the songs including our fight song, but not see the band since the closet room was without windows.  Nonetheless, it always gave me "goose bumps" and got me fired up in that "old college tradition" to hear the music.  What a great atmosphere it was in preparing for practice that day and, of course, for Fridays uniform walk-through, team evening meal and then the game on Saturday.  Great memories. Oops, sorry guys for getting carried away with all that nostalgia. ::) :)

Anyway, the high school band program for home games at Hope was discontinued about two years ago - we had one game this past season in which a high school band came in, yet, I was told that program is not going to be continued.  Too many other commitments and time for the high school band programs today over the course of a weekend, unlike years ago.

I agree that Hope really needs to start a marching band program or, otherwise, they will be at the bottom of the league again, like they will be if the stadium situation doesn't change.  Unfortunately, that will put the program back (in one sense) to what it was like in the 1960's when Hope didn't win very much and was a lower tier team in some aspects (not for lack of effort or enthusiasm, however, by the coaches and players way back then).  At the very least, Hope should resurrect the pep band for home football games and a few home basketball games.

Nice discussion everyone. In addition, right now, I'd have to agree with slfzman that Alma's band is the best.  Also, again, thanks sac for posting the video.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 26, 2011, 10:17:22 PM
I love the atmosphere a band provides at college games.  I will admit being an ex-band "geek" having marched in high school and at ISU in Terre Haute.  Trine started a music curriculum at the university a couple years ago and currently offers a minor only.  I have heard though that Trine may have music as a major in the next few years and are in the process of renovating a beautiful old church near campus into their school of music complete with classrooms, practice rooms, offices and auditorium.  Trine's marching band is modest in size, I would say around 50-60 kids, but for only having a marching band for 2 years they are pretty decent, especially sound wise.  As the enrollment continues to grow and the music offerings at Trine expand, I see the band growing as well.  But it takes a diverse cross section of students to have a successful program.  When I was at ISU I would say at least 75% of the band members were NOT music majors.

It would be great if all the MIAA schools would have marching bands.  I believe it would draw even more people to games as parents want to support not only their children as athletes on the field, but their children also as musicians.

Thanks for the picture of the Kiltie Marching Band, sflzman.  How many students participate in the marching band there?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on July 27, 2011, 12:38:17 AM
I had the pleasure of seeing the Kiltie band when I went to Alma for Albion's game against them this year. They are truly excellent. Even as a former Albion band member I have to admit we're not quite at that level. If memory serves there were 80-90 members in their band. (If you just heard them though, you'd think there were at least 150) Bravo Alma for your excellent band and music program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 27, 2011, 08:22:24 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 26, 2011, 07:41:05 PM
Ok. Thanks. Thats where my thought came from. Interesting that a campus that big wouldn't have a marching/pep band.....

Marching Bands, IMHO, really add to the fall season and get the crowds fired up and eager. Wish more schools had them. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 27, 2011, 09:41:09 AM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on July 27, 2011, 12:38:17 AM
I had the pleasure of seeing the Kiltie band when I went to Alma for Albion's game against them this year. They are truly excellent. Even as a former Albion band member I have to admit we're not quite at that level. If memory serves there were 80-90 members in their band. (If you just heard them though, you'd think there were at least 150) Bravo Alma for your excellent band and music program.

The Albion band wasn't THAT far off though, as I remember from the game I went to in 2009, the slaughtering the Brits put on the Scots where Clinton Orr had a badgillion (could be mistaken but I don't think thats an exact stat  ;D ;D ) rushing yards.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 28, 2011, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 27, 2011, 09:41:09 AM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on July 27, 2011, 12:38:17 AM
I had the pleasure of seeing the Kiltie band when I went to Alma for Albion's game against them this year. They are truly excellent. Even as a former Albion band member I have to admit we're not quite at that level. If memory serves there were 80-90 members in their band. (If you just heard them though, you'd think there were at least 150) Bravo Alma for your excellent band and music program.

The Albion band wasn't THAT far off though, as I remember from the game I went to in 2009, the slaughtering the Brits put on the Scots where Clinton Orr had a badgillion (could be mistaken but I don't think thats an exact stat  ;D ;D ) rushing yards.....

sflzman,

Is the Scot's stadium/turf complete yet? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 28, 2011, 10:13:34 PM
Well the turf is layed, but due to the big cheerleading camp they never got in the midfield or endzone "art" stuff. So that needs to be done, along with the scoreboard and there's supposed to be a monumet thing of some sort honoring 4 and 3 time all miaa performers
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 29, 2011, 08:52:51 AM
I was recently at Valporaso University and had a chance to do some workouts with one of their former players and a colleague of mine.  They have a fairly new field turf field but when we were walking by it I realized it looked very wavy and not flat with perfectly taught carpet.  I asked him about it and he said that they played on it too quickly after it was laid before it could settle.  That is why it resulted in wavy, uneven turf which can puddle in areas when it rains.

I hope Alma does not have this problem and that they are allowing the turf the alotted "settling" time.

I cant believe August is almost here!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on July 29, 2011, 04:25:49 PM
August is right around the corner, so I thought I'd check out the board and see what's happening. 

It's great to hear about all of the facility improvements around the MIAA!  While only one consideration for prospective players, it will help with recruiting.  Let's hope this in some way translates into a more competitive MIAA.

And I do have to agree on the comments regarding the way a marching band really adds to the collegiate football atmosphere.  Having only seen/heard the bands from Alma and Albion, I have to say both are very good, but in my not so unbiased opinion, the Kiltie Band has to be near the top of small college bands.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 30, 2011, 12:25:50 PM
It would be great if down the road the MIAA institutions that have marching bands would allow them to make a "road trip" to one of the other schools in the conference to do a half time show at an away football game.  They do this all the time at the DI level.  When I was in college I always looked forward to marching at the away game.  The hosting band always made you feel welcome, it was nice to hang out with and see another band perform.  I will have to bounce this off the Trine band director to see if this is something they could do in the future. 

Man I am so ready for football.  The NFL finally has ended their lockout (go Colts!), my favorite Big Ten team (go IU!) just picked up the #1 rated QB in the nation for 2012 in Gunner Kiel.  Lots of optimism in Bloomington, of course we haven't played a game yet so the level of play from IU with the new staff will be intriguing.  Not looking for dramatic results this year, just a better more competitive team.

Colleges start practice a week from Monday?  Hope to hear a lot of feedback from how your MIAA teams are looking.  Can't wait for 9/1/11 when Trine travels down to Manchester to take on the Spartans.  It's a Thursday night game and plan on making my first road trip myself to watch the Thunder in action.

Go TU!!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 30, 2011, 04:56:40 PM
Do you know who the projected starer is for the Hoosiers at QB this season? Last I head it was a 3 way race that included former Alma Panther, Adam Follet (I think I miselled that name)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 30, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 30, 2011, 04:56:40 PM
Do you know who the projected starer is for the Hoosiers at QB this season? Last I head it was a 3 way race that included former Alma Panther, Adam Follet (I think I miselled that name)
Coach Wilson has said the QB position is wide open and a starter probably won't be named until a week before the opener vs. Ball State at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indy.  The frontrunners are soph Dusty Kiel (Gunner's big brother), and soph Ed Wright-Baker.  Kiel is maybe slightly ahead and is a little more accurate on his throws.  Wright-Baker has a cannon for an arm but is not consistent, however he is a better runner and a bit more athletic than Kiel.  Junior Adam Follett was said to have had a good spring and would be the 3rd option.  Senior Teddy Schell is 4th option and is the holder on kicks.  Whoever wins the position is going in pretty green, both Kiel and Wright-Baker got limited snaps last year.  Next month will be interesting, so don't count Follett out yet.  Did Adam have any other D1 schools that were interested in him (besides MAC schools)?   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 30, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
Honestly, I don't really know much about Adam's D1 interest, that season that he lead the Panthers into the State Tournament was the last year before I moved into Alma so I hadn't gotten the chance to see him play, just wanted to know because of the Alma connection. Another one from that team, Kyle Lark, is currently a Sophomore at Western....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on July 31, 2011, 08:06:36 AM
TUAngola there is a precedent for traveling marching bands.  Last year in a really nice move the Trine athletic department provided the money for Trine's band to travel to Greencastle for the opening round playoff game with DePauw. Having the band and a huge contingent of fired-up fans (more than the Tigers did) turned an old Depauw stadium into Trine South and it almost felt like a home game.   Great Day!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 31, 2011, 08:24:14 AM
TU Angola, I'm sure you probably heard of another IU QB's recent exciting news but Ben Chappel got picked up by Washington Redskins in free agency this last week!  Hooray for the end of the lockout!  I think to ask the question "are you ready for some football" is rhetorical at best...OF COURSE WE ARE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 31, 2011, 11:45:24 AM
Quote from: TrineDad on July 31, 2011, 08:06:36 AM
TUAngola there is a precedent for traveling marching bands.  Last year in a really nice move the Trine athletic department provided the money for Trine's band to travel to Greencastle for the opening round playoff game with DePauw. Having the band and a huge contingent of fired-up fans (more than the Tigers did) turned an old Depauw stadium into Trine South and it almost felt like a home game.   Great Day!
TrineDad...thanks for the info, I listened to the game on the playoff game on the radio but there was no mention of the Trine band at the DePauw game from the announcers.  Did they get to march or did they just provide pep music in the stands?

BOYA87...yes I knew Chappel signed as a FA, not sure if he will make the opening game day roster but hopefully he will get the chance  to stick with the practice squad.  He is a good passer, very accurate, and has good size, but the knock on him would be his athleticsm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on July 31, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
DePauw just had a pep band in the stands.  Trine's band performed a whole halftime show.  It was very nice and the DePauw fans even seemed to appreciate it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 31, 2011, 05:39:20 PM
Another great thing about DIII is its fans.  I am sure Depaws fans appreciated the show.  That also reminds me of after the Trine vs UWW game last year when their fans told us Trine fans that they were one of the best teams they have played in a long time and they hope they dont have to see us again anytime soon!  BUT its almost August so...hopefully it wont be too long ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on July 31, 2011, 07:09:17 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on July 30, 2011, 12:25:50 PM
It would be great if down the road the MIAA institutions that have marching bands would allow them to make a "road trip" to one of the other schools in the conference to do a half time show at an away football game.  They do this all the time at the DI level.  When I was in college I always looked forward to marching at the away game.  The hosting band always made you feel welcome, it was nice to hang out with and see another band perform.  I will have to bounce this off the Trine band director to see if this is something they could do in the future. 

Man I am so ready for football.  The NFL finally has ended their lockout (go Colts!), my favorite Big Ten team (go IU!) just picked up the #1 rated QB in the nation for 2012 in Gunner Kiel.  Lots of optimism in Bloomington, of course we haven't played a game yet so the level of play from IU with the new staff will be intriguing.  Not looking for dramatic results this year, just a better more competitive team.

Colleges start practice a week from Monday?  Hope to hear a lot of feedback from how your MIAA teams are looking.  Can't wait for 9/1/11 when Trine travels down to Manchester to take on the Spartans.  It's a Thursday night game and plan on making my first road trip myself to watch the Thunder in action.

Go TU!!   

Our director told us there was some MIAA rule prohibiting visiting bands from coming to or performing at away games. Otherwise I think we'd do at least one trip a year. But he's the only person who's mentioned something like that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 31, 2011, 10:02:44 PM
I wasn't aware of the rule preventing MIAA marching bands from traveling to away games either, however, it makes sense since I've never seen a visiting team's band performing at any MIAA game.  Most likely, it is due to the travel expenses and that would come out of the band program, not the football program i.e. general athletic budget.  Also, in regards to Trine's band at the DePauw game - that is a different situation i.e. the Div. III playoffs, so that would have been allowed as it was.  The NCAA "calls the shots" on those aspects, although, that being said, if the MIAA didn't want to allow it, I'm sure Trine would have not been willing to do it.  Yet, I can't imagine why the MIAA would even want to consider not allowing them to have their band go if that is what Trine wanted to do.

In regards to the Valpo new synthetic turf; I've never heard of a situation like that i.e. wavy field due to not allowing it ti settle.  That is the entire reasoning behind the new style turf in the first place and even with the undersurfaced sand based turfs, I've not seen or heard of that happening.  Very strange.  What was the exact turf company brand there anyway? (if you know BOYA87).

BTW, great to have some of your "veteran" MIAA posters return!  Welcome back!  You'll see we have a very active board now with an entire group of new and great contributors!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 31, 2011, 10:28:00 PM
I was informed today that the alma at Kalamazoo game will be played that Friday night at WMU
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 01, 2011, 09:02:23 AM
CENTURY MARK!  MY 100th POST!!

Thats awesome Alma and Kalamazoo will get to relive the high school glory days under the Friday Night Lights!  I love that Trine gets to play at least one night game every year against Manchester for the season opener.  Its a totally different atmosphere.

d3db- Your right, I had never seen anything like that either but it looked very bad and the player I talked to said it was not a good surface to play on.  Perhaps it was just a shoty job done by the construction crew who installed it.  Non the less, I am sure Alma's turf will be a great upgrade from their 1st gen field turf previously had. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 01, 2011, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 01, 2011, 09:02:23 AM
CENTURY MARK!  MY 100th POST!!

Thats awesome Alma and Kalamazoo will get to relive the high school glory days under the Friday Night Lights!  I love that Trine gets to play at least one night game every year against Manchester for the season opener.  Its a totally different atmosphere.

d3db- Your right, I had never seen anything like that either but it looked very bad and the player I talked to said it was not a good surface to play on.  Perhaps it was just a shoty job done by the construction crew who installed it.  Non the less, I am sure Alma's turf will be a great upgrade from their 1st gen field turf previously had. 

BOYA67,

+k for you. Formerd3db is correct, one of the advantages of field turf is the base!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 01, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
Thought I would look and see who has pre-season rosters posted, and compiled this list.

Adrian:  http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-footbl/2011-12/roster
Albion:  http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/roster
Alma:   Not posted
Calvin:   Same roster as last year  ;D
Hope:  http://www.hope.edu/athletics/fb/fbrost.html
Kalamazoo:  Not posted
Olivet:  http://www.olivetcomets.com/sports/fball/2011-12/roster
Trine:  Not posted
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 01, 2011, 03:07:32 PM
And here is a Holland Sentinel article on incoming players on the offense for Hope:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x242967638/Zeeland-East-quarterback-to-play-at-Hope
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 01, 2011, 04:49:48 PM
Hey guys, hope the summer has been treating you well, and we are one month away from kickoff.

I've been busy getting things set for my move west, but wanted to check in and chime in.

Regarding bands, most of the time, a booster pays for the band to travel, at least in the Big Ten. It's rarely covered by the music department or the football department budgets.

For instance a few years ago when OSU opened at Texas, a big OSU alum paid big money to fly and house the band on the trip.

In some instances the trip is planned and budgeted from extra funding raised by the band itself, ei MSU v OSU, the band directors are very good personal friends and regardless of location, the OSU band will be in EL and the MSU band will be in Columbus.

Regarding MIAA stuff, I have no idea.

Go Trine!!!

Hope everyones doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 01, 2011, 06:19:15 PM
During a recent trip to Holland, I got to meet Kirk Cousins as he was throwing and training with another guy I'm also going to root for.

This is what's right with college football, if you haven't seen this, or listened to it, well - it's the embodiment of every guy I've ever coached at the D1, D2, and FCS level. (I'm sure the D3 level as well, I just haven't had the honor of saying I've coached that level)

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp15N9BbYgY&feature=feedu
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 01, 2011, 08:43:50 PM
Hey ThunderHead, contact Coach Land at Trine.  Maybe the staff could use your experience and expertise and in return you will get that "coaching at the D3 level" checked off your list.  :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on August 02, 2011, 08:54:27 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 01, 2011, 06:19:15 PM
During a recent trip to Holland, I got to meet Kirk Cousins as he was throwing and training with another guy I'm also going to root for.

This is what's right with college football, if you haven't seen this, or listened to it, well - it's the embodiment of every guy I've ever coached at the D1, D2, and FCS level. (I'm sure the D3 level as well, I just haven't had the honor of saying I've coached that level)

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp15N9BbYgY&feature=feedu

+k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 02, 2011, 10:15:14 AM
wow great speach!  I'll definitely be rooting for that kid this year!  Not enough of the Kirk Cousins and Tim Tebows in sports today but I hope they acheive all the success in the world to show that great things can be accomplished the right ways!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 02, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 01, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
Alma:   Not posted


One of the examples where the coach doesn't allow it to be posted until the last possible moment
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 02, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 02, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 01, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
Alma:   Not posted


One of the examples where the coach doesn't allow it to be posted until the last possible moment

Trine doesn't post their roster until just before the season starts too.  I emailed the SID about this last year to no avail.  That is the frustrating part about the Trine athletics website.  It could be SO much better.  Just doesn't seem like things get updated promptly like news, articles, scores, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 02, 2011, 08:29:55 PM
If you are going to root for anybody this fall, root for Albion's Julian Paksi......worth the read.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20110801/SPORTS/108010312/College-football-St-Johns-graduate-Paksi-playing-for-his-life?odyssey=tab
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 03, 2011, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 02, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 02, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 01, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
Alma:   Not posted


One of the examples where the coach doesn't allow it to be posted until the last possible moment

Trine doesn't post their roster until just before the season starts too.  I emailed the SID about this last year to no avail.  That is the frustrating part about the Trine athletics website.  It could be SO much better.  Just doesn't seem like things get updated promptly like news, articles, scores, etc.

Trine has a new SID as of a few weeks ago.  I'm hoping the media will get better as a result.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 03, 2011, 10:03:14 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 03, 2011, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 02, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 02, 2011, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 01, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
Alma:   Not posted


One of the examples where the coach doesn't allow it to be posted until the last possible moment

Trine doesn't post their roster until just before the season starts too.  I emailed the SID about this last year to no avail.  That is the frustrating part about the Trine athletics website.  It could be SO much better.  Just doesn't seem like things get updated promptly like news, articles, scores, etc.

Trine has a new SID as of a few weeks ago.  I'm hoping the media will get better as a result.

LetItRain,

Glad your back! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 03, 2011, 04:05:35 PM
When is the MIAA 2011 Pre-season projection announced or not? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 03, 2011, 04:31:29 PM
Just checked the MIAA website - Master Calendar.  It hasn't been updated for this year, but last year the football coaches met on Thursday, August 5 (which I believe is when they did their poll).  If they keep to the same schedule, that would mean they're meeting tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 03, 2011, 04:50:58 PM
Trine players report for camp next Tuesday so I hope Media Day is sometime this week.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2011, 06:24:12 PM
MIAA's media day is Aug. 8.

Trine reports next Tuesday? That's pretty early. Even though they play their opener on Thursday night, they have to count their practice opportunities as if they played on Saturday in Week 1, like everyone else.

There's more to it than that, since it involves the date of the first day of classes, but an Aug. 9 report date is really early.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 02:09:01 AM
I believe they report the 9th but don't hit the field till the 10th.

Many Big Ten programs start on this coming Saturday or Sunday, so I'm sure there is a method to the madness when it comes to the NCAA practice count.

And TUangola, I think Coach Lands got things handled lol, and I'm not sure I could deal with the NCAA D3 limits on practice policy and meeting times. As a coach I always went full tilt, and while Trine seems to be geared that way, many other D3 programs are not. In some cases its a big step down from high level high school football programs. Maybe when I'm retired Ill look into it as a part time gig, which is generally what most D3 programs need. Itd keep me in the game but without the "serious" comitment that other levels require.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 04, 2011, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 02:09:01 AM
Maybe when I'm retired Ill look into it as a part time gig, which is generally what most D3 programs need. Itd keep me in the game but without the "serious" comitment that other levels require.


Not trying to cause a stir, but I suspect your statement which I quoted above would "raise a few eyebrows" or even the blood pressure for some of the coaches and staffs in DIII.  From what I see, these folks (regardless of the sport they coach) have a full time, year-round commitment that is for many, all-consuming.  To say it's not a "serious" commitment is a slap in the face - even if it was intended to be tongue-in-cheek.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 11:15:40 AM
No it wasn't meant to cause a stir, it's rather a compiment toward D3 staffs that are handicapted by limitied practice time, contacts workouts, and film sessions. Even though they are an NCAA program they work without the benefit of even limited scholarships, limited budgets, and sometimes little to no fan support in what can be out dated facilities. And yet many of them are still hired and fired by AD's who compare them to D1 programs.

After re-reading my post I agree it comes of a bit prickish and this wasn't my intent. Its kinda an inside joke i suppose as I know a few ex-D1 guys who coach D3 ball and they call it "part time" work because its half of what D1 requires, even Coach Land will tell you that D3 football still let's you coach your kids little league team and watch your daughters school play. These things just do not happen in D1 football. I think any D3 coach will tell you that as far as time comitted goes its less of a responsiability then D1 football. That's not a "knock" on anyone or any program, its just the reality of the beast.

So there is definit appeal to coaching D3 football and I have tremondus respect for any coach at any level.  At this point I would probably not do well with the very same limits that many coaches like about D3 football, that's all.  I wasn't try to cause a stir, so if I raised your heart rate or blood pressure I'm am sorry. That wasn't what I was trying to do, I should have used more smiley faces to indicate the humor. Again, my bad fellas. I hope you'll accept my apology here for any inplied negitivity.

And thanks for pointing that out and allowing me to elaborate. No harm meant.
Go Trine   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 04, 2011, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 02:09:01 AM
Many Big Ten programs start on this coming Saturday or Sunday, so I'm sure there is a method to the madness when it comes to the NCAA practice count.

Which, of course, is different in different divisions. This is not a relevant comparison.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 04, 2011, 12:27:21 PM
Let's remember the whole reason of DIII focusing on the STUDENT-athlete.  Of course DIII doesnt have the same time rigors and commitments that a DI program has...ITS DIII!!!!  Never once was I paid to put my time and effort in on the field.  I never received anything from participating on the football team other than the shear opportunity, joy, and amazing lessons that can be learned on the grid iron.  If anything these coaches should be paid MORE for their jobs as they have smaller staffs, less resources, and are responsible for developing these young men on the field and in the classroom.  There seems to be little accountability for coaching staffs at the DI level for this. 

I dont know why we continue to compare apples to oranges when it comes to DI and DIII.  They are so obviously different.  I know DI gets all the exposure and we here so much every day on sports center about rules, regulations, practice commitments, and things like that.  But truth is a very small portion of those things fall in line accross the board with all NCAA divisions.

Here's to the coaches of DIII football who not only do a great job recruiting and coaching young men, but developing them as well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 12:55:50 PM
Boya - you're right it's definitly apples to oranges, which in a round about way was my point. I still will very much argue that it's my experience many, many D1 programs are very focused on the Student. Some obviously have fallen away from that, but many others have not.

At the D1 programs I spent time at the "student" part of student-athletes was a huge priority for us both as a staff and a learning institution.

While I know it's not the popular opionion here I disagree with those who think D3 is more "pure" becuase there is no scholarship money. While players may not receive anything for playing, I think many of them, if offered, would gladly accept scholarship money if offered, and by doing so I don't believe this in any way makes their brand of play less pure now.

But again that's just my opionion.

And Mr. Coleman my point was simply that I'm sure Coach Land is aware of how many practices he's allowed prior to the start of the season, but none the less I appreciate you alerting me to the fact that the Big Ten is in a different division then the MIAA, I now see how bringing that up was completely irrelevent.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 04, 2011, 01:01:41 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 12:55:50 PM.

While I know it's not the popular opionion here I disagree with those who think D3 is more "pure" becuase there is no scholarship money. While players may not receive anything for playing, I think many of them, if offered, would gladly accept scholarship money if offered, and by doing so I don't believe this in any way makes their brand of play less pure now.

But again that's just my opionion.

And Mr. Coleman my point was simply that I'm sure Coach Land is aware of how many practices he's allowed prior to the start of the season, but none the less I appreciate you alerting me to the fact that the Big Ten is in a different division then the MIAA, I now see how bringing that up was completely irrelevent.


I think you might be surprised on the number of kids that turn down scholarships to play for DIII. It's not always about money, as it is the fit of the program and coaching staff.

DIII: Home of the REAL student-athlete.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 01:29:52 PM
I'd be VERY surprised at anyone who would perfer to go into debt vs not going into debt.

If that's the case then I'm sure these same kids would turn down federal grant money and academic aid. After al, its not about the money right?

To say D3 football is the home to the "real" student athlete is laughable, anyone who is a student and is playing a sport is a student athlete. To say otherwise is ridiculas. While some have definitly messed up many many more have not and represent their school and sport with first rate class.

Tell you what Warhawk, if you're in IN before mid-august let me know, I introduce you to a few academic all americans that were also standout D1 athletes, I'm sure they would love to hear your opinion on how they aren't real "student athletes".


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 04, 2011, 02:54:59 PM
I'm quite sure there are many examples someone could cite of DI student-athletes who were academic AAs, and Rhodes Scholars and more.   We could do the same for DII and DIII.

We can also cite numerous examples of kids who turned down scholarships to attend DIII schools - this is nothing new.  And yes, these kids are probably going into debt due to that choice.  Fact is it happens, so the question is why?   

Obviously there can be multiple reasons, but I know from talking with several students who made this choice that it came down to academics.  Choosing a DIII school tends to mean a smaller school with smaller classes, taught by professors (not grad assistants). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 04, 2011, 03:04:09 PM
ThunderHead:

You opened this "can of worms" ;D.  While I realize that you have been involved in DI programs and I respect that, I have known DI players and coaches myself.  As such, I would respectly disagree with you on some aspects.  I do not doubt what you say about many DI athletes being serious about their academic responsibilities.  However, it is also just as true that there are many who don't "give a rip" because all they care about is playing football and their goal is simply to get to the next level, whether it be the NFL or some other venue.  While I am not knocking that goal because anyone is entitled to that dream, on the other hand, to say that there are not DI athletes who care about nothing other than themselves and football is simply not true.  And that situaion is indeed, very sad.

I would also challenge you that being a DIII level coach is, for many coaches, indeed a year round commitment and they spend as many hours as the DI coaches do - that is a simple truth.  You might want to ask some of their wives and kids about that and I think you will find it a little different than you implied.  Also, some of your DI colleagues will tell you the same thing - I do know that those coaches I have known at the DI and DIII level personally agree with me as well.  There certainly are different priorities at the different levels as well as the fact there are similarities with regards to other aspects as well, including some (a few ::)) academic issues.  And finally, I'm sure that many others here will tell you of some situations where recruits and their families do turn down a scholarship offer and there are many reasons that can be involved.  To say that doesn't happen is simply not true.  Everyone's situation is different and there are certainly families that make that choice; certainly some that really shouldn't because it might be a more difficult challenge for them regarding the economic aspects, while others can afford doing that and still others find a way to get it done. Just because a scholarship is offered doesn't always make it the easy choice as there are many, many other factors that are involved in that ranging from the campus, the academic programs, the staff, yes the economics i.e. $, travel distance, the football program itself, etc., etc., etc.  Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you and I had to get my $0.02 in here since you and the others brought this up.  Besides, I was one of those people who did have a chance to do the other level and chose to go DIII (and yes, it was a difficult challenge in that regard for my parents, but they were in total agreement - I'd do it again without hesitation and wouldn't trade my DIII experience and memories for anything.  Nor would I take that away from someone who had a good experience at the DI level.  But, again, there are differences without question and none of us can put a "cookie cutter" perspective on the process/experience.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on August 04, 2011, 03:17:58 PM
Thunderhead ... sounds like you need to spend more time getting to know Div III rather than just claiming this or that.  If you check out - for instance - Wabash College you will find its athletic facilities ranked this year by Princeton Review (student surveys) as #4 nationally  - including Div I, II, II schools - (ahead of The Ohio State), the coaches pretty darn good and full time dedicated, and student athletes who warrant both the title of student and of athlete.    The same can be said for MIAA schools as to coaches and students qyuality both athletically and scholastically.  And yes, Virginia ... a number of the football players have selected a no athletic scholarship road for their education as opposed to a Div II or Div I or NAIA athletic scholarship ... balancing a rewarding and challenging athletic experience along with a good education and career opportunities which follow the good education.  Div III spans the full gamet of size from UWW to Wabash.  A number of Div III athletes have gone on professionally in their sport ... a personal knowledge directive to you would be Pete etzelaars ... formerly 14+ year NFL tight end with 5 Super Bowl rings (4 Buffalo and 1 Colts) and is now the Colts line coach.  Most have gone on to professions as teachers, professors, doctors, lawyers and the like.  SO ... yes ... Div III is a proper and very first class place to be - despite what your buddies of the claimed vaunted Div I experience may describe to you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 04, 2011, 03:49:22 PM
I've also heard many times from former DI athletes who aren't happy with "being owned" by their school/team.  This leads to kids who transfer or just flat out leave.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to bash DI or anything like that.  Just sharing what I've heard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 04:21:02 PM
Wabco,

I think you're missing my point, I'm speaking from the platform of majority, not minority. While I know some schools have outstanding facilities (trine comes to mind) and some outstanding athletes have come from the D3 ranks, my point was that does mean every D1 athlete is corrupt or the D1 game is in-pure.

And I wasn't making my assesment off what my D1 "buddies" have told me either, I'm relying on person experience here.

I'm also fully aware of some guys declineing scholarship money to play D3 football, my counter was simply that I'm sure there are plenty of others who would take scholarship money if offered. Just because one kids on scholarship and another isn't dosent always mean one kid is more "serious" about school.

So while I respect the chip on your shoulder, I wasn't D3 bashing. I was just giving another view point.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 04, 2011, 06:42:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 04, 2011, 03:04:09 PM
ThunderHead:

You opened this "can of worms" ;D.  While I realize that you have been involved in DI programs and I respect that, I have known DI players and coaches myself.  As such, I would respectly disagree with you on some aspects.  I do not doubt what you say about many DI athletes being serious about their academic responsibilities.  However, it is also just as true that there are many who don't "give a rip" because all they care about is playing football and their goal is simply to get to the next level, whether it be the NFL or some other venue.  While I am not knocking that goal because anyone is entitled to that dream, on the other hand, to say that there are not DI athletes who care about nothing other than themselves and football is simply not true.  And that situaion is indeed, very sad.

I would also challenge you that being a DIII level coach is, for many coaches, indeed a year round commitment and they spend as many hours as the DI coaches do - that is a simple truth.  You might want to ask some of their wives and kids about that and I think you will find it a little different than you implied.  Also, some of your DI colleagues will tell you the same thing - I do know that those coaches I have known at the DI and DIII level personally agree with me as well.  There certainly are different priorities at the different levels as well as the fact there are similarities with regards to other aspects as well, including some (a few ::)) academic issues.  And finally, I'm sure that many others here will tell you of some situations where recruits and their families do turn down a scholarship offer and there are many reasons that can be involved.  To say that doesn't happen is simply not true.  Everyone's situation is different and there are certainly families that make that choice; certainly some that really shouldn't because it might be a more difficult challenge for them regarding the economic aspects, while others can afford doing that and still others find a way to get it done. Just because a scholarship is offered doesn't always make it the easy choice as there are many, many other factors that are involved in that ranging from the campus, the academic programs, the staff, yes the economics i.e. $, travel distance, the football program itself, etc., etc., etc.  Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you and I had to get my $0.02 in here since you and the others brought this up.  Besides, I was one of those people who did have a chance to do the other level and chose to go DIII (and yes, it was a difficult challenge in that regard for my parents, but they were in total agreement - I'd do it again without hesitation and wouldn't trade my DIII experience and memories for anything.  Nor would I take that away from someone who had a good experience at the DI level.  But, again, there are differences without question and none of us can put a "cookie cutter" perspective on the process/experience.

I also walked away from a D1 scholarship to play for Mount Union. I have never looked back! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 04, 2011, 08:43:11 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 01:29:52 PM
I'd be VERY surprised at anyone who would perfer to go into debt vs not going into debt.

If that's the case then I'm sure these same kids would turn down federal grant money and academic aid. After al, its not about the money right?

I would rather pay tuition at a quality D3 school where my son could get a great education in his field of interest than to have him accept a scholarship at a D1 school and sit in class in an auditorium with 400 other kids and never meet his teacher.  I would not be happy if he had to compromise his educational experience in order to attend a school simply because they offered him money to play football there. 

I am not saying D1 schools don't offer a great education, but I think the D3 size and experience is a great learning environment.  And I would not turn down federal grant money and academic aid if offered, unless it meant he would have to go to a school that he did not like, simply to play football.  Conversely, if a student is afforded the opportunity to go to a college that he otherwise could not afford because of an academic or athletic scholarship than more power to them.  As long as they take advantage of that scholarship and get an education first and foremost.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 04, 2011, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 04, 2011, 01:29:52 PM
I'd be VERY surprised at anyone who would perfer to go into debt vs not going into debt.

If you're on Twitter you should follow the #whyd3 conversation that's been going on for a little over a month. There are plenty of examples of people who prefer Division III over Division I.

There are also a couple of stories written about the #whyd3 discussion, our story and one the NCAA wrote as a reaction:

http://www.d3sports.com/columns/why-division-iii
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2011/july/twitter+query+attracts+diii+advocates

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 05, 2011, 08:28:44 AM
Great stuff - thanks Pat!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 05, 2011, 09:00:13 AM
I see on the MIAA website that the coaches preseason poll will be released on Monday morning
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 05, 2011, 11:02:02 AM
I'm not saying there are not examples of people turning down scholarship money to gp D3. D3 schools have plenty to offer and I'm sure a lot of guys find small class rooms and intimate campuses appealing.

I'm also sure there are plenty of D3 kids who would take a full ride to avoid the pitfalls of debt and that don't mind bigger class rooms.

As a D1 grad the class room size didn't bother me at all, and I enjoyed most of my professors.

Big schools have their faults for sure but just because a school is small doesn't mean it is perfect either. Its just a preference I'm sure, I don't think there is a wrong answer, I respect anyone who is trying to improve their education educational background with a plus 2, plus 4, or plus more degree.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 05, 2011, 11:09:41 AM
I have 2 sons that have played College football, both had D1 offers.

1 played at a Major D1 university, starter, injuried never got back on field. Good size, speed, agility. Graduated and moved on proud of school and choice great education.

1 turned down a D1 offers, to play DIII football, Starter, Captain, Study Abroad, Officers Candidate and Graduate, proudly served our country in the Armed Forces.

Daughter turned down scholarships for sports to attend an aggressive program in her chosen field. It is all about choices.

Different stories for different young adults, depends on what your goals and opportunities in life are.

Very few ever make it to the next level, the level of football should not be your soul decision. 4 years later it is all a great memory and acheivement, the life long gain is did you take advantage of your opportunity.

We have commented before at length on the relative value of D1, DII and DIII educations.
The value is more about YOUR individual values and what you work to gain from the opportunity.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 05, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
If this were facebook I would "like" that post many many times!

Its very true.  I now work in the admissions department and to be honest we dont want every kid that is accepted to come here!  Its all about fit.  Some will opt for bigger public schools simply because of costs.  Others will opt for bigger schools because of their reputations and social opportunities.  Some will go to competing conference schools because they want to be closer to home or feel more comfortable with their campus.  And then some will choose us!  and they choose us because it is a great fit, academically, athletically, financially, and socially.

A college decision is the 2ndest biggest choice a kid can make in their lives next to who their spouse will be.  It is one that a great amount of time, effort, and money is dedicated into making the right decision.  There are plenty of "perfect" colleges out there...just for different people.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2011, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 05, 2011, 11:02:02 AM
I'm not saying there are not examples of people turning down scholarship money to gp D3. D3 schools have plenty to offer and I'm sure a lot of guys find small class rooms and intimate campuses appealing.

I'm also sure there are plenty of D3 kids who would take a full ride to avoid the pitfalls of debt and that don't mind bigger class rooms.

As a D1 grad the class room size didn't bother me at all, and I enjoyed most of my professors.

Big schools have their faults for sure but just because a school is small doesn't mean it is perfect either. Its just a preference I'm sure, I don't think there is a wrong answer, I respect anyone who is trying to improve their education educational background with a plus 2, plus 4, or plus more degree.

Go Trine

It's not all about classroom size. More people cite the feeling that Flying Dutch Fan mentioned earlier, that when you're on an athletic scholarship you feel like the coach basically owns you, that football (or whatever sport) is your life, that you can't be a well-rounded student.

So few people come out of college with no debt these days that I almost don't think that's a factor. Only the I-A/FBS scholarships are guaranteed to be full rides -- most of the rest are split up into bits and chunks. And it's even worse when you get beyond football and basketball.

And if you're only getting a partial scholarship, which most college football athletes who get scholarships are, then you may actually do better with a grant-in-aid package at a Division III school. If your goal is to brag to your friends that you "got a football scholarship" then yeah, take that $3,000 in athletics aid. But you may do better with grants and academic scholarships elsewhere.

And that doesn't even begin to talk about the playing time argument, that you may be in line to play much earlier at a D-III school, rather than redshirting, then riding the pine for two years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on August 05, 2011, 01:25:40 PM
I haven't stopped by in a few day, and looks like I missed some great discussion.  But I have to agree with BOYA in the fact that there are different perfect schools for everyone. 

Personally, I feel I made the right decision by choosing a DIII school where I could be involved in several aspects of the college experience.  My experience at Trine included 4 years of football, as well as being very involved in a fraternity, participating in SAAC, ASCE, Civil Engineering Honor Society, and Student Life.  That depth of involvement is something i don't think I could have achieved in a large DI school. 


... but I also didn't have anything close to a DI athletic scholarship to persuade me otherwise
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 05, 2011, 03:21:31 PM
Well even though it hurt my "karma" at least we had a good discussion. The loss in K points was worth seeing new content. :) I'm no fan of a dead board lol.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on August 05, 2011, 04:11:14 PM
They have reported on the same Tuesday for the last four years. We all know you give them NO credit at all, but I'm pretty sure the atheletic department and coaches know what day they can report on.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2011, 06:24:12 PM
MIAA's media day is Aug. 8.

Trine reports next Tuesday? That's pretty early. Even though they play their opener on Thursday night, they have to count their practice opportunities as if they played on Saturday in Week 1, like everyone else.

There's more to it than that, since it involves the date of the first day of classes, but an Aug. 9 report date is really early.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2011, 04:38:39 PM
Welcome back to the board. You might want to put the chip on your shoulder down if you're still wearing it since January. Your fellow Trine fans and I have been having a nice, calm, interesting discussion here of late.

I'm pretty sure they do, too, but it isn't always the case. Heck, St. John's has had the same coach for going on half a century and still made that mistake once. It isn't an easy calculation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 05, 2011, 08:00:22 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 05, 2011, 03:21:31 PM
Well even though it hurt my "karma" at least we had a good discussion. The loss in K points was worth seeing new content. :) I'm no fan of a dead board lol.

So...being a "newbie", what is the significance of "karma" on this board?  How do you "collect" it?  Guess I am too naive, I just don't understand it... ::)

Well, practice is just about upon us in DIII.  High schools started this week, NFL went to camp, DI is next week, ahh music to my ears!  I read in the Ft Wayne paper today that Trine will scimmage St Francis-Ft Wayne on Aug 25 at Trine.  Anyone who is in the "know" at Trine, will that be open to the public or will it be a closed scimmage?  Year in and year out St Francis is a Top 5 NAIA school.  I beleive they get partial schollies, right?  What, if any, is the difference in performance?  Is NAIA better football than DIII?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 05, 2011, 11:47:42 PM
Regarding karma, I'm not sure other views on this but I don't pay much attention, some poster who have large amounts of karma may feel otherwisem :)

Some D1 programs already started with fall camp and its great to see the NFL back on track.

Great info on the Trine scrimmage, if anyone happens to go hopefully we can get an update, not just on that scrimmage but any scrimmage.

As for NAIA - I don't think it is a "step up" from D3. In many cases I would put the average D3 program a head of the average NAIA program, but that's just me.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 06, 2011, 01:33:42 AM
In a quick nutshell, posters who have made 200 or more posts have the ability to affect other user's karma. They can applaud (add one point) or smite (subtract one point) from any particular user once in a 24-hour span.

About the NAIA -- there's been a lot of debates on both sides of the aisle. My personal take is that the top team or two is probably on the same level as Mount Union and Whitewater. There are so few NAIA football teams (under 100) that there's a pretty wide range of quality. But we'll never see these teams on the field together, so it's just speculation.

With 24 scholarships to spread over a hundred or so players, there's certainly the chance to make a compelling argument that NAIA teams could be better, but there are plenty of Division III student-athletes that are on par with those players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 06, 2011, 04:05:04 PM
I got challenged by email about the Thursday openers, so I figured I'd better cite the actual Division III manual, in case there are other people who doubt me.

17.9.2.1
First Practice Date. 
A member institution shall not commence official preseason football practice sessions for the varsity, junior varsity or freshman team before the date that will permit a maximum of 25 practice opportunities (see Bylaw 17.9.2.1.1) before its first scheduled intercollegiate game or before the Friday before Labor Day if the institution's first contest (game) is scheduled for the Thursday before Labor Day. (Revised: 1/10/89, 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 1/12/04, 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)

Reiterating what I said earlier -- if you play the Thursday before Labor Day, you still must count your preseason practice opportunities from the Friday. You don't get the extra day.

I'm not going to go through and count Trine's practice opportunities -- I'm sure they're fine. I'm surprised that so many people take this sort of thing personally on this board, however. It's not like the NCAA reads this board looking for violations. I'm just raising a point for discussion that (clearly) a lot of casual fans don't know about.

As a point to detail how unstraightforward the formula is, here it follows.

17.9.2.1.1
Practice Opportunities -- Football. 
In football only, to establish the starting date for preseason practice, the institution shall count one practice opportunity for each day beginning with the opening day of classes and one practice opportunity for each day classes are not in session in the week of the first scheduled intercollegiate contest (see Bylaw 17.9.3).  Next, the institution shall count practice opportunities on an alternating basis in a two-one-two-one format (i.e., the first of the remaining days is counted as two, the next day is counted as one, the next as two, etc.) up to and including the 20th opportunity.  Finally, the institution shall count one practice opportunity for each of the five days before the day of the 20th opportunity. The institution shall not count any days during the preseason when all institutional dormitories are closed, the institution's team must leave campus and practice is not conducted. (Adopted: 1/12/04)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on August 06, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
No chip on my shoulder, I just call 'em like I see 'em.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2011, 04:38:39 PM
Welcome back to the board. You might want to put the chip on your shoulder down if you're still wearing it since January. Your fellow Trine fans and I have been having a nice, calm, interesting discussion here of late.

I'm pretty sure they do, too, but it isn't always the case. Heck, St. John's has had the same coach for going on half a century and still made that mistake once. It isn't an easy calculation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 07, 2011, 08:14:10 AM

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Well, practice is just about upon us in DIII.  High schools started this week, NFL went to camp, DI is next week, ahh music to my ears!  I read in the Ft Wayne paper today that Trine will scimmage St Francis-Ft Wayne on Aug 25 at Trine.  Anyone who is in the "know" at Trine, will that be open to the public or will it be a closed scimmage?  Year in and year out St Francis is a Top 5 NAIA school.  I beleive they get partial schollies, right?  What, if any, is the difference in performance?  Is NAIA better football than DIII?
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TUAngola- the scrimmage has always been open to the public so I dont forsee why it wold be any different this year.  The last 2 years Trine scrimmaged St Francis it was held in Fort Wayne on their campus (the varsity scimmage at least).  This year it will be at Trine so we will have easy acces to go check it out.

as for the difference in competition between NAIA and DIII, this is a question that has run through my head many times.  My senior year at Trine we added an NAIA team to finish out our 10 game schedule at the end of the season.  At this point we were 9-0 and I started getting very nervous thinking of this question.  I wanted to finish the season perfect so badly but it was hard to know what to expect from a team we've never seen before with scholarship players.  Even with film there was still a big shadow of uncertanty of what this team would bring to the table.  Luckily we rolled through them and finished with Trines first ever 10-0 season.

It would be great to see more cross division games played but they really arent beneficial to either team other than comparing divisions.  getting to scrimmage a top tier NAIA team like St Francis is a great opportunity for Trine.  I feel like it must give our kids loads of confidence to go up against scholarship players who have been on the cusp of multiple national championships.  And not just go up against them but to do well against them.  Last year Trine looked weeks ahead of St. Francis as a team although obviously its hard to tell in that kind of a format.

So my opinion is that NAIA probably has a reputation for being more competitive since they have scholarhsip athletes, but I feel like top tier DIII schools would be able to knock off top teir NAIA's.  Sadly we will never know!  Maybe an all-star game at the end of the year!  DIII vs NAIA?!  Get on that Pat!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: lakeshore on August 07, 2011, 09:17:12 AM
Pat would be able to accurately quote the record but D3 is something like 45-9 against NAIA over the last couple years.  I agree D3 is higher level of ball.  NAIA "scholarships" typically range in $1000-$2000 area for each player.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2011, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on August 06, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
No chip on my shoulder, I just call 'em like I see 'em.

I know you feel that way but it's more like you being so biased for Trine (and that's understandable!) that you can't recognize an unbiased opinion.

Just because we aren't biased for you doesn't mean we're biased against you. If I made lists of all the programs we were accused of biased for and against, it would be a big group, and a lot of programs would be on both lists.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2011, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 07, 2011, 08:14:10 AM
So my opinion is that NAIA probably has a reputation for being more competitive since they have scholarhsip athletes, but I feel like top tier DIII schools would be able to knock off top teir NAIA's.  Sadly we will never know!  Maybe an all-star game at the end of the year!  DIII vs NAIA?!  Get on that Pat!

We would definitely love to. The amount of money it takes to do an All-Star team right, though, is pretty high. It would be about the same as the annual budget for all of our sites combined. We have definitely looked into the concept of a D-III All-Star Game or a D-III All-Star team but it's more money than we have, by a significant margin. I still have a full-time day job because we can't afford to pay a full salary.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2011, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 05, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
If this were facebook I would "like" that post many many times!

Its very true.  I now work in the admissions department and to be honest we dont want every kid that is accepted to come here!  Its all about fit.  Some will opt for bigger public schools simply because of costs.  Others will opt for bigger schools because of their reputations and social opportunities.  Some will go to competing conference schools because they want to be closer to home or feel more comfortable with their campus.  And then some will choose us!  and they choose us because it is a great fit, academically, athletically, financially, and socially.

A college decision is the 2ndest biggest choice a kid can make in their lives next to who their spouse will be.  It is one that a great amount of time, effort, and money is dedicated into making the right decision.  There are plenty of "perfect" colleges out there...just for different people.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2011, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 05, 2011, 11:02:02 AM
I'm not saying there are not examples of people turning down scholarship money to gp D3. D3 schools have plenty to offer and I'm sure a lot of guys find small class rooms and intimate campuses appealing.

I'm also sure there are plenty of D3 kids who would take a full ride to avoid the pitfalls of debt and that don't mind bigger class rooms.

As a D1 grad the class room size didn't bother me at all, and I enjoyed most of my professors.

Big schools have their faults for sure but just because a school is small doesn't mean it is perfect either. Its just a preference I'm sure, I don't think there is a wrong answer, I respect anyone who is trying to improve their education educational background with a plus 2, plus 4, or plus more degree.

Go Trine

It's not all about classroom size. More people cite the feeling that Flying Dutch Fan mentioned earlier, that when you're on an athletic scholarship you feel like the coach basically owns you, that football (or whatever sport) is your life, that you can't be a well-rounded student.

So few people come out of college with no debt these days that I almost don't think that's a factor. Only the I-A/FBS scholarships are guaranteed to be full rides -- most of the rest are split up into bits and chunks. And it's even worse when you get beyond football and basketball.

And if you're only getting a partial scholarship, which most college football athletes who get scholarships are, then you may actually do better with a grant-in-aid package at a Division III school. If your goal is to brag to your friends that you "got a football scholarship" then yeah, take that $3,000 in athletics aid. But you may do better with grants and academic scholarships elsewhere.

And that doesn't even begin to talk about the playing time argument, that you may be in line to play much earlier at a D-III school, rather than redshirting, then riding the pine for two years.
Quote from: D306 on August 05, 2011, 11:09:41 AM
I have 2 sons that have played College football, both had D1 offers.

1 played at a Major D1 university, starter, injuried never got back on field. Good size, speed, agility. Graduated and moved on proud of school and choice great education.

1 turned down a D1 offers, to play DIII football, Starter, Captain, Study Abroad, Officers Candidate and Graduate, proudly served our country in the Armed Forces.

Daughter turned down scholarships for sports to attend an aggressive program in her chosen field. It is all about choices.

Different stories for different young adults, depends on what your goals and opportunities in life are.

Very few ever make it to the next level, the level of football should not be your soul decision. 4 years later it is all a great memory and acheivement, the life long gain is did you take advantage of your opportunity.

We have commented before at length on the relative value of D1, DII and DIII educations.
The value is more about YOUR individual values and what you work to gain from the opportunity.



Excellent posts/comments Pat, BOY and D306.  My sentiments, exactly - you all said it better than me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 08, 2011, 08:24:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2011, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 07, 2011, 08:14:10 AM
So my opinion is that NAIA probably has a reputation for being more competitive since they have scholarhsip athletes, but I feel like top tier DIII schools would be able to knock off top teir NAIA's.  Sadly we will never know!  Maybe an all-star game at the end of the year!  DIII vs NAIA?!  Get on that Pat!

We would definitely love to. The amount of money it takes to do an All-Star team right, though, is pretty high. It would be about the same as the annual budget for all of our sites combined. We have definitely looked into the concept of a D-III All-Star Game or a D-III All-Star team but it's more money than we have, by a significant margin. I still have a full-time day job because we can't afford to pay a full salary.

Pat,

I hate it when work gets in the way of what we truly love to do!   :)  Then again, I am also thankful I have that work.

When determining the budget, did you factor flying the players in on your dime, or having the kids provide their own way to get there?  The all star game my son attended required us to pay his way down to Mexico. That cost might prevent some kids from being able to attend, but I am sure a lot of D3 kids would be willing to pay for that extra game if it were an all star game.  One last chance for many seniors to play the game. 

Because it was a package deal it was maybe a little cheaper than doing it on his own.  If located in a major, centrally located city perhaps the air fare and accomodations would not be too bad either.  I believe the NCAA USED to sponsor that game in Mexico but then pulled out.  Might be a good way for a lot of D3 schools to get some recognition.  It would also provide us D3 fans another post-season game to watch other than the annual Mount Union / Whitewater clash at the end of the year.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 08, 2011, 10:42:53 AM
Released at 10:00 am this morning.

Trine Picked To Repeat As MIAA Football Champs
Defending champion Trine has been picked to win the MIAA football championship for the fourth consecutive year in a preseason poll of the league's coaches.
The Thunder, who have won 20 consecutive MIAA contests dating back to 2007, received six of the seven first-place votes in the coaches poll released Monday. Coaches could not vote for their own team.

Albion, which received the other first-place vote, was picked to finish second, followed by Adrian, Hope, Alma, Kalamazoo and Olivet.

Poll Results (first-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Trine (6) 6 pts. 2. Albion (1) 12. 3. Adrian 15. 4. Hope 23. 5. Alma 25. 6. Kalamazoo 31. 7. Olivet 35.

Last fall, Trine finished with a perfect 6-0 record in MIAA play (11-1 overall) and defeated DePauw, Ind. 45-35 in a first-round game in the NCAA Division III football playoffs. The Thunder were defeated in the second round by eventual national champion Wisconsin-Whitewater, 45-31.

The MIAA will kick off its 114th season of intercollegiate football action Thursday, Sept. 1, as Trine visits Manchester, Ind. League play begins Saturday, Oct. 1.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2011, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 08, 2011, 08:24:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2011, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 07, 2011, 08:14:10 AM
So my opinion is that NAIA probably has a reputation for being more competitive since they have scholarhsip athletes, but I feel like top tier DIII schools would be able to knock off top teir NAIA's.  Sadly we will never know!  Maybe an all-star game at the end of the year!  DIII vs NAIA?!  Get on that Pat!

We would definitely love to. The amount of money it takes to do an All-Star team right, though, is pretty high. It would be about the same as the annual budget for all of our sites combined. We have definitely looked into the concept of a D-III All-Star Game or a D-III All-Star team but it's more money than we have, by a significant margin. I still have a full-time day job because we can't afford to pay a full salary.

Pat,

I hate it when work gets in the way of what we truly love to do!   :)  Then again, I am also thankful I have that work.

When determining the budget, did you factor flying the players in on your dime, or having the kids provide their own way to get there?  The all star game my son attended required us to pay his way down to Mexico. That cost might prevent some kids from being able to attend, but I am sure a lot of D3 kids would be willing to pay for that extra game if it were an all star game.  One last chance for many seniors to play the game.  

Because it was a package deal it was maybe a little cheaper than doing it on his own.  If located in a major, centrally located city perhaps the air fare and accomodations would not be too bad either.  I believe the NCAA USED to sponsor that game in Mexico but then pulled out.  Might be a good way for a lot of D3 schools to get some recognition.  It would also provide us D3 fans another post-season game to watch other than the annual Mount Union / Whitewater clash at the end of the year.   :)

We really want to do something "the right way" and that means not making the players pay. There are a couple games out there that still exist and the players have to pay out of their own pockets, which means they don't necessarily get the most worthy players. It's a struggle, to be sure.

The NCAA didn't sponsor the Aztec Bowl, unfortunately. They don't sponsor any all-star games. It was the AFCA, the football coaches association. They pulled out of the game.

Keith McMillan wrote a column about it a couple of years ago:

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2009/why-dont-we-have-an-all-star-game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: pg04 on August 08, 2011, 11:18:36 AM
I think what we really need is some millionaire benefactor to support this site!  Come on, there has to be someone out there making several million who went to a D3 school and is passionate about D3 sports.  Doesn't there??  I wish I was that person, I would definitely help out! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 08, 2011, 12:20:50 PM
Quote from: pg04 on August 08, 2011, 11:18:36 AM
I think what we really need is some millionaire benefactor to support this site!  Come on, there has to be someone out there making several million who went to a D3 school and is passionate about D3 sports.  Doesn't there??  I wish I was that person, I would definitely help out! 

Well see, there is, but they all donate the money to their respective schools. Like Devos at Hope, and Hatcher at Alma to name a few
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 08, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 08, 2011, 10:42:53 AM
Released at 10:00 am this morning.

Trine Picked To Repeat As MIAA Football Champs
Defending champion Trine has been picked to win the MIAA football championship for the fourth consecutive year in a preseason poll of the league’s coaches.
The Thunder, who have won 20 consecutive MIAA contests dating back to 2007, received six of the seven first-place votes in the coaches poll released Monday. Coaches could not vote for their own team.

Albion, which received the other first-place vote, was picked to finish second, followed by Adrian, Hope, Alma, Kalamazoo and Olivet.

Poll Results (first-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Trine (6) 6 pts. 2. Albion (1) 12. 3. Adrian 15. 4. Hope 23. 5. Alma 25. 6. Kalamazoo 31. 7. Olivet 35.

Last fall, Trine finished with a perfect 6-0 record in MIAA play (11-1 overall) and defeated DePauw, Ind. 45-35 in a first-round game in the NCAA Division III football playoffs. The Thunder were defeated in the second round by eventual national champion Wisconsin-Whitewater, 45-31.

The MIAA will kick off its 114th season of intercollegiate football action Thursday, Sept. 1, as Trine visits Manchester, Ind. League play begins Saturday, Oct. 1.



sflzman,

Thanks for the info, not surprized to see Trine picked to win the MIAA, but which one of the "A" named schools will finish 2nd or give Trine a real test? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 08, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 08, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
sflzman,

Thanks for the info, not surprized to see Trine picked to win the MIAA, but which one of the "A" named schools will finish 2nd or give Trine a real test? ;D ;D

I'd suggest it would be A HOPEful team   8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 08, 2011, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 08, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 08, 2011, 10:42:53 AM
Released at 10:00 am this morning.

Trine Picked To Repeat As MIAA Football Champs
Defending champion Trine has been picked to win the MIAA football championship for the fourth consecutive year in a preseason poll of the league's coaches.
The Thunder, who have won 20 consecutive MIAA contests dating back to 2007, received six of the seven first-place votes in the coaches poll released Monday. Coaches could not vote for their own team.

Albion, which received the other first-place vote, was picked to finish second, followed by Adrian, Hope, Alma, Kalamazoo and Olivet.

Poll Results (first-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Trine (6) 6 pts. 2. Albion (1) 12. 3. Adrian 15. 4. Hope 23. 5. Alma 25. 6. Kalamazoo 31. 7. Olivet 35.

Last fall, Trine finished with a perfect 6-0 record in MIAA play (11-1 overall) and defeated DePauw, Ind. 45-35 in a first-round game in the NCAA Division III football playoffs. The Thunder were defeated in the second round by eventual national champion Wisconsin-Whitewater, 45-31.

The MIAA will kick off its 114th season of intercollegiate football action Thursday, Sept. 1, as Trine visits Manchester, Ind. League play begins Saturday, Oct. 1.



sflzman,

Thanks for the info, not surprized to see Trine picked to win the MIAA, but which one of the "A" named schools will finish 2nd or give Trine a real test? ;D ;D

My unbiased opinion says Alma if Jarrett Leister performs like the d2/d1aa player like he is supposed to be. But Albions going to be tough with the combination of Orr and Cruse on offense (and i looked further into that, and he does for sure have another year of eligability left)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 09, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
I think the A's will finish 2,3,4 and I think they got it right with picking Albion at the #2 spot.  The only change I forsee would be Alma jumping up into that 4th spot over hope.

Again I say "I think".  Thats why we play the season!  You never know what will happen. 

Trine players will be here on campus late today!!  Best wishes to athletes and coaches health and performace during camp this year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 09, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
I think the A's will finish 2,3,4 and I think they got it right with picking Albion at the #2 spot.  The only change I forsee would be Alma jumping up into that 4th spot over hope.

Again I say "I think".  Thats why we play the season!  You never know what will happen. 

Trine players will be here on campus late today!!  Best wishes to athletes and coaches health and performace during camp this year!

I don't see how you could say Adrian is better than either of the other "A" schools
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 09, 2011, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 09, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
I think the A's will finish 2,3,4 and I think they got it right with picking Albion at the #2 spot.  The only change I forsee would be Alma jumping up into that 4th spot over hope.

Again I say "I think".  Thats why we play the season!  You never know what will happen. 

Trine players will be here on campus late today!!  Best wishes to athletes and coaches health and performace during camp this year!

I don't see how you could say Adrian is better than either of the other "A" schools

sflzman,

What is going on with our helmets today? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2011, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 09, 2011, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 09, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
I think the A's will finish 2,3,4 and I think they got it right with picking Albion at the #2 spot.  The only change I forsee would be Alma jumping up into that 4th spot over hope.

Again I say "I think".  Thats why we play the season!  You never know what will happen. 

Trine players will be here on campus late today!!  Best wishes to athletes and coaches health and performace during camp this year!

I don't see how you could say Adrian is better than either of the other "A" schools

sflzman,

What is going on with our helmets today? ???

Your source site must be down.  However, Trine Thunder Mighty Mascot Storm lives on!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 12:59:16 PM
The building that houses the internet on campus here in Alma flooded last night, and since the link for our helmets is the one that they use for live stats (I love being able to drag pics to the URL bar on a mac) I'm sure the crashed internet server is making them inaccessible....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 01:00:19 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2011, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 09, 2011, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 09, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
I think the A's will finish 2,3,4 and I think they got it right with picking Albion at the #2 spot.  The only change I forsee would be Alma jumping up into that 4th spot over hope.

Again I say "I think".  Thats why we play the season!  You never know what will happen. 

Trine players will be here on campus late today!!  Best wishes to athletes and coaches health and performace during camp this year!

I don't see how you could say Adrian is better than either of the other "A" schools

sflzman,

What is going on with our helmets today? ???

Your source site must be down.  However, Trine Thunder Mighty Mascot Storm lives on!!!!


Yes, haha, Storm and the Hope anchor are the lone survivor of the awful rain in Alma.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 09, 2011, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 01:00:19 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2011, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 09, 2011, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 09, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
I think the A's will finish 2,3,4 and I think they got it right with picking Albion at the #2 spot.  The only change I forsee would be Alma jumping up into that 4th spot over hope.

Again I say "I think".  Thats why we play the season!  You never know what will happen. 

Trine players will be here on campus late today!!  Best wishes to athletes and coaches health and performace during camp this year!

I don't see how you could say Adrian is better than either of the other "A" schools

sflzman,

What is going on with our helmets today? ???

Your source site must be down.  However, Trine Thunder Mighty Mascot Storm lives on!!!!


Yes, haha, Storm and the Hope anchor are the lone survivor of the awful rain in Alma.....

You get enough rain you may be looking to borrow my anchor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 02:17:55 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 09, 2011, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 01:00:19 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2011, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 09, 2011, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 09, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
I think the A's will finish 2,3,4 and I think they got it right with picking Albion at the #2 spot.  The only change I forsee would be Alma jumping up into that 4th spot over hope.

Again I say "I think".  Thats why we play the season!  You never know what will happen. 

Trine players will be here on campus late today!!  Best wishes to athletes and coaches health and performace during camp this year!

I don't see how you could say Adrian is better than either of the other "A" schools

sflzman,

What is going on with our helmets today? ???

Your source site must be down.  However, Trine Thunder Mighty Mascot Storm lives on!!!!


Yes, haha, Storm and the Hope anchor are the lone survivor of the awful rain in Alma.....

You get enough rain you may be looking to borrow my anchor.

Yeah I might need it for my house!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 02:18:36 PM
On the bright side, it looks like they have the server up and running again  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 09, 2011, 02:31:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 02:18:36 PM
On the bright side, it looks like they have the server up and running again  :D

Yeah!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 09, 2011, 03:51:39 PM
I'd hate to beat a dead horse but I just found a great article on the laughable title of "Student-Athlete" at DI programs.  It is a little leangthy but if you take the time to read it, I would love to hear your opinions!  It touches on some of the issues we debated before and brings up some new ones to think about.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/sports/time-for-colleges-to-add-education-back-into-the-student-athlete-equation.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&smid=fb-share
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 09, 2011, 06:43:34 PM
I think as long as people have opinions and the ability to express them either written or spoken, this will never end and good points can be made on both ends.

It's a touchy subject, with no right answer or right opinion.

I'm very excited for the season and fairly sad to be leaving the mid-west in five days. Uhg

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 09, 2011, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 09, 2011, 06:43:34 PM
good points can be made on both ends.

Exactly! That's what makes a good, competitive, argument/debate!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 09, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
I've been caught napping some previous years, so this year I gonna jump out WAY early!  First week pickems are now posted!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on August 10, 2011, 07:56:16 AM
Mr. Ypsi,

How do the pickems work/ where are they posted?  I'd like to give it a shot.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 10, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
ya, I never participated in the Pick-ems before but I would like to join in.  Where do we go?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 10, 2011, 09:43:04 AM
In Post Patterns (football section of these boards) there is a section called General football.  If you click on that, you will then find Pick-Ems, etc.  at the top.  Click on that, and then go to the MIAA Pick 'ems page.

Here is also a direct link to that page:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6030.390
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 10, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
Filled mine out, who keeps track of the points? Do we keep track on our own or do you handle it Mr. Ypsi?

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 10, 2011, 08:53:12 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 10, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
Filled mine out, who keeps track of the points? Do we keep track on our own or do you handle it Mr. Ypsi?

Go Trine!!!

I calculate 'em and post 'em, though the wise poster will double-check my accuracy! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 11, 2011, 04:46:26 PM
Im going to go out on a limb and say this is probably the nicest weather to the start of any camp I have ever experienced!  Those boys are pretty dang lucky on the field with mid 70's rather than the 100 degrees of a couple weeks ago!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 11, 2011, 07:05:11 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

Thanks for your work, I'm excited about the pickems.

Boya

You're exactly right, the weather has been fantastic for those guys. I hope they're enjoying themselves.

Go Trine!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 11, 2011, 07:43:01 PM
This board is being over-run by white helmets with blue "T's"  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 11, 2011, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 11, 2011, 07:43:01 PM
This board is being over-run by white helmets with blue "T's"  ;D ;D

sflzman,

You need to recruit posters from the other MIAA schools! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 11, 2011, 08:41:09 PM
To those of you familiar, do posters normally normally rise and fall with the success of a school?

When Alma is hot, do they have a bunch of Scots on here yacking it up and vice versa?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 12, 2011, 12:28:32 AM
Top teams (perennially or just occasionally) always yield more posters on pretty much every board.

But d3boards has only been around for a dozen or so years - when was Alma ever hot?  (Sorry, but being a Titan, and September 10th approaching, had to start the trash talking! :D)

I hope to make it to Alma for the game (have already picked out the campground for my RV), but might not make it.  My folks recently celebrated their SEVENTIETH!! anniversary, and we'll have a family reunion in Illinois sometime in early September, but exact date currently unknown (depends on arrival of my oldest brother and sister-in-law from California).

IF I make it, which posters could I count on meeting?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 12, 2011, 12:42:55 AM
BTW, it is still three weeks 'til the first game and we already have nearly as many pickems pickers as ever before!  Go ahead and make me work (I'm retired; I can handle it ;)) how does 30 or 40 MIAA pickems contestants sound?!

And getting a fast start is important - once MIAA play begins, usually everyone picks the same on all but at most one game. :P

Thank God (or Mr. Ypsi 8-)) for those 'games of interest'! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 01:21:45 AM
Mr. Ypsi,

In your experience, when has the MIAA board been at its best? If you could pick a season where you had a lot of posters firing away on the board, which season would you pick?

I appreciate you organizing the pickems, and I love the games of interest. I can see how during MIAA play everyone may go with the same squads and the games of interest could really create the separation.

I just signed up for Arizona season tickets, so I'll be catching my football out west, but I still plan to stay active on this board, after all, without me - who would you guys have to pick on. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 12, 2011, 02:06:28 AM
Until last year the MIAA football board had always been rather slow.  There are several more regular posters now, most of them from Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 12, 2011, 08:18:43 AM
well lets all give em something to talk about!  I hope everyones squads are busting their butts in camp so the MIAA can have a strong non-conference showing!  We need to develop more wins in this area as a conference to earn more respect around the nation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 12, 2011, 09:30:57 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 12, 2011, 12:28:32 AM
Top teams (perennially or just occasionally) always yield more posters on pretty much every board.

But d3boards has only been around for a dozen or so years - when was Alma ever hot?  (Sorry, but being a Titan, and September 10th approaching, had to start the trash talking! :D)

I hope to make it to Alma for the game (have already picked out the campground for my RV), but might not make it.  My folks recently celebrated their SEVENTIETH!! anniversary, and we'll have a family reunion in Illinois sometime in early September, but exact date currently unknown (depends on arrival of my oldest brother and sister-in-law from California).

IF I make it, which posters could I count on meeting?

Oh. Wow. I see how it is ;D ;D.....but after bein trounced by your IWU squad the past two years I can't really say anything.

Quote from: BOYA87 on August 12, 2011, 08:18:43 AM
well lets all give em something to talk about!  I hope everyones squads are busting their butts in camp so the MIAA can have a strong non-conference showing!  We need to develop more wins in this area as a conference to earn more respect around the nation.

I don't think anyone is in camp right now, are they?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 12, 2011, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 11, 2011, 07:05:11 PM

You're exactly right, the weather has been fantastic for those guys. I hope they're enjoying themselves.


Somehow I doubt the players would say they're "enjoying themselves".   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 12, 2011, 09:51:02 AM
sflzman - Trine reported to camp on Tuesday, August 9.  I think I read that one other MIAA team reported this week also.  I'm not sure if they've put on the pads yet (run tests, meetings, etc...), but they are in Angola right now preparing to win their 4th consecutive MIAA conference title!

(I decided to join Mr. Ypsi with the trash talking).   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1 on August 12, 2011, 10:10:57 AM
Would it stir the pot if I said I thought Calvin had the best football team in the conference?  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 12, 2011, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: d3fan1 on August 12, 2011, 10:10:57 AM
Would it stir the pot if I said I thought Calvin had the best football team in the conference?  ;D

Well, they will go undefeated for the umpteenth year in a row! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 12, 2011, 11:34:49 AM
Dont forget about Saint Mary's!  Those girls give the Calvin team a run for their money every year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 11:57:06 AM
Boya - while it's true they may not be "enjoying" themselves hopefully they're aware how much worse it could be.  ;)

My karma is at 0, so I have to withdraw from the trash talking at the moment.  ;D BUT don't worry, as soon as I get my Karma up around 10 (which is about where I top out) I'm sure I'll post something that will collectively raise peoples blood pressure.  ::)

Until then, I hope everyones looking forward to a great season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 12:17:56 PM
OFF TOPIC

Interesting read for those interested:

According to this article (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/08/ncaa-academic-standard-apr-ncaa-tournament-bowl-eligibility/1):

"University of Hartford President Walt Harrison, who heads the NCAA committee that oversees academic issues, said there's also interest in applying the cutoff to football bowls, which aren't run by the association. At 930, that would have affected six of last season's 70 bowl participants and 17 of 120 major-college teams overall. Among the latter were six teams from marquee conferences -- Maryland and North Carolina State from the Atlantic Coast, Louisville from the Big East, Michigan from the Big Ten and Colorado and Washington State from the Pacific 12 -- plus newly independent Brigham Young."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2011, 03:49:47 PM
I would agree with sac's assessment that the current pace of the MIAA football message board is the best it's been in our 12 seasons.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 04:24:28 PM
OFF TOPIC

Ok, so as we head into another season, how about some tailgating receipts?

I always enjoy these to snack on before I start throwing the meats on the grill. I like a little heat, but generally these are really mild and taste great. They go quick, so make a few.


Grilled Stuffed Bacon Jalapeños Recipe

This is a great appetizer on a fall saturday before kickoff.

Ingredients:
Large Jalapeño Peppers
Mozzarella
Cream Cheese
Bacon
Onion (optional)
Toothpicks

Directions:
Slice open the jalapeños vertically, removing the seeds and membranes, but make sure they come back to be whole again. (don't damage the pepper walls so it close whole)

Mix the mozzarella and cream cheese, enough to fill your peppers.  If desired, you can add minced onion to the cheese mixture.

Add the cheese to the peppers, and close so the cheese squeezes out between the gaps. Wrap a strip of bacon around the entire pepper, and skewer the pepper and bacon together with a toothpick.

Over an open flame on the grill, place the peppers, turning constantly, with tongs.  Cook until the bacon is done.

Let rest and then eat whole right off the tooth pick, or cut in half to cool cheese before eating.

Give it a try, I have found these to be a big hit.

I'd love to add to my tailgating menu though, so if you guys have a favorite tailgating food, I'd love to hear it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 12, 2011, 07:51:23 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 12:17:56 PM
OFF TOPIC

Interesting read for those interested:

According to this article (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/08/ncaa-academic-standard-apr-ncaa-tournament-bowl-eligibility/1):

"University of Hartford President Walt Harrison, who heads the NCAA committee that oversees academic issues, said there's also interest in applying the cutoff to football bowls, which aren't run by the association. At 930, that would have affected six of last season's 70 bowl participants and 17 of 120 major-college teams overall. Among the latter were six teams from marquee conferences -- Maryland and North Carolina State from the Atlantic Coast, Louisville from the Big East, Michigan from the Big Ten and Colorado and Washington State from the Pacific 12 -- plus newly independent Brigham Young."


That's proposed to start in the 2014-2015 season.  By then Michigan will be well above the APR threshold.  Right now most of its APR troubles relate to the mass exodus when Rich Rodriguez became the head coach.  The really bad parts of its APR will have rolled off the board by then.  Unless things go nuclear again, Michigan will be safe by miles.

To this point, I still don't get how players that transfer and are in good academic standing when they leave somehow hurt a school's APR calculation.  That makes no sense......and neither does a player leaving early to go pro who is also in good academic standing.


Basketball will be sport most affected by this.  It will cause the big time programs to think twice before taking a 'one and done' kind of player.  Currently Ohio State would not be eligible.  I would not be surprised to see even more high school basketball recruits heading for the NBA or overseas.



FWIW, here's a little write up from mgoblog.com about it from today.  The writer has been following the APR issue for quite some time, even before Rich Rod.


No, seriously, they appear to be serious. The NCAA announced (and then quickly approved) a massive increase in the APR's toothiness by requiring a 930 for a sport to participate in postseason play, whether it's the NCAA tournament or bowl games.

That's good for Michigan, which has only brushed up against penalties due to the unprecedented transferfest that took place upon Rodriguez's arrival. Once coaching transitions are out of the way they'll be well clear of 930 in every sport. Meanwhile, teams like Purdue, Ohio State, and Indiana have all seen their basketball programs suffer sanctions for falling beneath the 925 mark. They'll have to be more careful about one-and-dones and academic risks, i.e. recruit more like John Beilein.

As far as football goes, if you're worried about the Rodriguez anchor (an 897 2008 APR), don't be. The Bylaw Blog says the 2014-2015 APR will be the first point at which the new regulation will go into effect. At that point the anchor will have rolled off. The only yearly APR number to count then will be last year's score, an okay 946. Michigan's attrition during this coaching search has been less extensive and more likely to get waived (three medical scholarships and just the one academic implosion). This year's class has a lot of 3.8 GPAs and no immediately apparent academic risks—they'll be fine.

The Bylaw Blog also says it's critical to get rid of the one year lag in the APR. Michigan won't find out its 2010-11 number until next summer. I'd also suggest the thing has to be more transparent. Right now we just get a number; in the future they have to show how they got that number, because it's serious now. It's not going to fly with people if Kentucky basketball can boot seven guys off the team and not even have its APR flinch. Each APR report should come with

   The number of players who got through the year.
   The number of players who left the team
   The number of players who left who the school got a pass for and why

Right now trying to figure out your APR is fraught with difficulty; it needs to be more transparent, within FERPA reason.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 07:57:32 PM
I think the APR needs to be re-worked. Clearly it has some merit, and yet the way it's applied really doesn't make much sense to me.

Players leave for a number of reasons, and a coaching change (Michigan) can have devastating effects on the APR.

The spirit of the rule is fine, it just needs to be re-worked so it can be applied to be used for its intent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 12, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 12, 2011, 09:51:02 AM
sflzman - Trine reported to camp on Tuesday, August 9.  I think I read that one other MIAA team reported this week also.  I'm not sure if they've put on the pads yet (run tests, meetings, etc...), but they are in Angola right now preparing to win their 4th consecutive MIAA conference title!

(I decided to join Mr. Ypsi with the trash talking).   ;)

Meant besides Trine haha.....the Scots come in to town tomorrow night - as we look to be the big surprise in MIAA play, now that we have a QB.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 12, 2011, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 12, 2011, 11:34:49 AM
Dont forget about Saint Mary's!  Those girls give the Calvin team a run for their money every year!


We may be the only conference in the world that bosts two undefeated records, year in and year out!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 12, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 12, 2011, 09:51:02 AM
sflzman - Trine reported to camp on Tuesday, August 9.  I think I read that one other MIAA team reported this week also.  I'm not sure if they've put on the pads yet (run tests, meetings, etc...), but they are in Angola right now preparing to win their 4th consecutive MIAA conference title!

(I decided to join Mr. Ypsi with the trash talking).   ;)

Meant besides Trine haha.....the Scots come in to town tomorrow night - as we look to be the big surprise in MIAA play, now that we have a QB.....

Did you guys land a big recruit? I'm not up to speed on this one sflzman, maybe I missed it. Fill me in boss.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 12, 2011, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 12, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 12, 2011, 09:51:02 AM
sflzman - Trine reported to camp on Tuesday, August 9.  I think I read that one other MIAA team reported this week also.  I'm not sure if they've put on the pads yet (run tests, meetings, etc...), but they are in Angola right now preparing to win their 4th consecutive MIAA conference title!

(I decided to join Mr. Ypsi with the trash talking).   ;)

Meant besides Trine haha.....the Scots come in to town tomorrow night - as we look to be the big surprise in MIAA play, now that we have a QB.....

Did you guys land a big recruit? I'm not up to speed on this one sflzman, maybe I missed it. Fill me in boss.  8-)

Well last year redshift freshman jarrett leister (from ferris) who is the son of offensive coordinator and athletic director john leister was abttling junior matt stephens in training camp for the job. The week before the opener jarrett was ruled started and matt quit because he felt it was onfair that jarrett would get the job and it was because he is johns son. That Thursday afternoon before the opener with stephens no longer on the team leister was ruled inelligable by the NCAA. So we went into the game starting a true freshman who'd never taken a snap with first or second team offense....and that an carousel was not very pretty in the sake of how he scot gun looked....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 12, 2011, 11:28:19 PM
sflzman,

thanks for the update on that, that is a rough situation. Why did the ncaa rule him ineligible so late?

Normally the coaching staff, compliance officer, and athletic directors office gets an advanced heads up from the ncaa on athletes that may be ruled ineligible, or a pending decision is still undecided.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 13, 2011, 09:24:46 AM
I guess from  what  understand Jarrett had to take summer school to get his grades up to be eligable, and I guess he was given the leltter grade to be eligable but not the GPA and that error wasn't discovered until that Thursday....seems kinda sketchy to me I guess....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 13, 2011, 11:09:24 PM
ummm....well, I'm glad the kid got it straightened out, hopefully he has a productive year.

Did the kid that quit transfer, or just drop out of football together?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 09:50:56 AM
The kid that quit just quit football, and played baseball here this past spring, and is line to be the every day catcher this year....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 01:47:57 PM
Smells like football here in Alma! 109 Scots on campus today. Looking forward to watching the testing today....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 14, 2011, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 01:47:57 PM
Smells like football here in Alma! 109 Scots on campus today. Looking forward to watching the testing today....

sflzman,

Is that about the normal number of players for camp at Alma? How so the other schools compare? Thought
I saw a Trine number of 190? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
The number is pretty normal compared to the last few years. I'm not really sure what other schools are planning to bring in this season, but 190 seems a bit excessive
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 14, 2011, 04:37:46 PM
I believe Trine is close to 190, somehow I feel like I heard that number too, and I know they had a large freshman crop.

This all said, I'm not sure how many will stick, though regardless it seems like a big squad.

sflzman, be sure to hook us all up with your review of the first day in SCOT-land. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 14, 2011, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 14, 2011, 04:37:46 PM
I believe Trine is close to 190, somehow I feel like I heard that number too, and I know they had a large freshman crop.

This all said, I'm not sure how many will stick, though regardless it seems like a big squad.

sflzman, be sure to hook us all up with your review of the first day in SCOT-land. ;D

Sorry guys, the 190 number I saw was from Wesley, not sure what Trine had to start camp! :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 14, 2011, 05:14:46 PM
Raider,

I still wanna say Trine has rather large numbers this year. I can't recall what someone mentioned but I remember thinking "wow that's a lotta guys". Even with attrition.

D1 runs at the 105 mark for camp, but I'm unsure of D3 rules, is there a number lock? Anyone in the know have any insight?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 14, 2011, 06:14:30 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 14, 2011, 05:14:46 PM
Raider,

I still wanna say Trine has rather large numbers this year. I can't recall what someone mentioned but I remember thinking "wow that's a lotta guys". Even with attrition.

D1 runs at the 105 mark for camp, but I'm unsure of D3 rules, is there a number lock? Anyone in the know have any insight?



ThunderHead,

Not sure if there is a number for D3. I do that Mount Union averages 200 players for camp and in 2010 had
225. They do no thave a "cut" policy. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 14, 2011, 06:17:33 PM
From a quick totally non scientific count of those players on the JV and Varsity team photos, it looks like Trine has a total of about 160-170.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 14, 2011, 06:52:32 PM
Disappointed again in the Trine U athletics website again this year.  I understand that we have a new SID this year so was hoping things would be better information wise...well....it's not.   Nothing on the outlook for 2011 or camp roster.  As of today we are one of only two schools in the MIAA, Alma being the other, that still have the old 2010 roster online.  At least Alma has some photos from their first practice.  Come on already "dot edu" guys....lets get some work done!!

Anyone know how Trine is looking so far in camp?  Boya87, do you have any updates from practice?  There was a little synapsys in the Angola paper today on the new football season.  (take note SID; the community paper has given us more info than the university website...geesh)  Mentioned Ryan Hargraves has looked sharp at QB, which is good news.  Concerns are replacing the 4 seniors who started/roatated on the D-Line and the kicking game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 14, 2011, 07:08:37 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 14, 2011, 06:52:32 PM
Disappointed again in the Trine U athletics website again this year.  I understand that we have a new SID this year so was hoping things would be better information wise...well....it's not.   Nothing on the outlook for 2011 or camp roster.  As of today we are one of only two schools in the MIAA, Alma being the other, that still have the old 2010 roster online.  At least Alma has some photos from their first practice.  Come on already "dot edu" guys....lets get some work done!!

Anyone know how Trine is looking so far in camp?  Boya87, do you have any updates from practice?  There was a little synapsys in the Angola paper today on the new football season.  (take note SID; the community paper has given us more info than the university website...geesh)  Mentioned Ryan Hargraves has looked sharp at QB, which is good news.  Concerns are replacing the 4 seniors who started/roatated on the D-Line and the kicking game.


I always like seeing the same things you are looking for.  However, I also remember seeing kids listed in previous "outlooks" that ended up dropping before the first game.  Other kids (especially freshmen / sophomores) that were given extra attention in the "outlook" that didn't even pan out.  I do not know if the varsity and jv rosters are already etched in stone at this point, so publishing that would be a bit pre-mature. There does seem to be some fluctuation in the borderline kids.  I think that mentioning kids and specifics could potentially undermine the spirit of competition and prematurely commit coaches to decisions that aren't final yet. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 14, 2011, 06:52:32 PM
At least Alma has some photos from their first practice. 

The Scots actually have a highlight film from day one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_sqs78WOC0&feature=youtu.be

The guy with the mullet doing the triple jump around the 0:40 mark is QB Jarrett Leister.

Also, Alma does not release their roster until they report to camp, because according to the NCAA (for DIII) you can't have a roster with the new players on it up, until the team has reported to camp. I believe Olivet was the MIAA school that got into trouble for releasing an incoming recruit list a few years back. OC_SID would be able to tell you that one....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 14, 2011, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 14, 2011, 07:08:37 PM
I always like seeing the same things you are looking for.  However, I also remember seeing kids listed in previous "outlooks" that ended up dropping before the first game.  Other kids (especially freshmen / sophomores) that were given extra attention in the "outlook" that didn't even pan out.  I do not know if the varsity and jv rosters are already etched in stone at this point, so publishing that would be a bit pre-mature. There does seem to be some fluctuation in the borderline kids.  I think that mentioning kids and specifics could potentially undermine the spirit of competition and prematurely commit coaches to decisions that aren't final yet. 
I do understand that when you pretty much take "all comers" at non-scholarship schools that the roster will fluctuate with all the freshman coming in and then having some quit.  And thats ok.  But you would think that by the middle of summer we would pretty much know who is going to be on the 2011 roster regardless of getting into the classification of varsity or jv status.  Then those rosters can be updated or tweaked every so often during camp leading up to the first game.  I guess my biggest gripe is here we are almost a week into it and we still have the 2010 roster on the Trine website.  We don't have to have the team pictures posted yet, just list the players.  Must be this is harder than it seems?  Am I leaving something out?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Okay. Now that I have seen the first practice, I'm going to give you my season outlook for the Scots.
Offense:
Quarterback: Jarrett Leister will take the reins in the Scot-Gun offense. Leister (St. Louis, MI/Mt. Pleasant High) played in the MHSAA all-star game a few years ago, and committed to Ferris St. At Ferris he was redshirted his Freshman year, before transfering to Alma after the departure of Mackenzie McGrady. Leister was ruled ineligable last season, so he has not seen any game action in over two years. The Scots are returning Garret Cook and Ross Richard who played quarterback for the Scots last season.
Running Back: N/A - nor is it relavent  ;D ;D
Wide Receiver: The Scots lost arguably the best receiver in the MIAA a season ago, Andrew Schaar, and are looking to fill some big shoes. They will look to Austin Montgomery (Charlotte, MI) who was a consistant #2 receiver for the Scots a year ago. Barak Henderson (Dallas, TX) is a 6'6" outside receiver that was big for the Scots - when he was healthy. Henderson is a big target with speed that can spread defenses and test their depth. The problem is, Henderson has not been 100% for more than 6 games in a season. Michael Lennaman (Chelsea, MI) is going to be a key guy in the slot, and could grow to be what Schaar was - a quick, undersized reciever in accross the middle. Besides those three, the Scots will look for big contributions from a variety of underclassmen, that they themselves don't know the names of yet....
O-Line: The Scots were young, and injury prone a year ago on the line. Look for a better offensive line performance with a year starting under the belts, but they are still young, and could still struggle a little bit.

Defense:
D-Line: The Scots graduated 6/7 contributers of the defensive line last season, and will be young. Outside of Ed Raby (Reed City, MI), the young linemen will have a lot to prove. One key gone on the edge can be Alex Andrus (the Sr from G.R.). Andrus transfered in from D1 (Eastern I believe) last season after suffering with a knee injury and surjery. Andrus only played in 3 games last year, but watching him today he looks fast, and ready to be a key on the edge for the Alma D-Line.
Linebackers: I don't think there is a better linebacker group in the conference with Conrad Bovee (Ithaca, MI), Garrett Thelen (St. Johns, MI) and Anthony Sabatella (St. Clair Shores, MI/Warren De La Salle). Both Sabatella and Thelen were featured on the d3football.com Team of the Week last year. Bovee and Sabatella were both all MIAA second team last season.
Defensive Backs: The Scots return 6 DB's from a season ago, including All-MIAA Second Team, Scotty Cole (Alma - Jim Cole's son) and Andrew Funsch (West Branch, MI/Ogemaw Heights). Michael Veeney, Xavier Carranza, Brian Halas, and Luke Kanine will also be key for the Scots.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 14, 2011, 06:52:32 PM
At least Alma has some photos from their first practice. 

BTW - Alma has a roster up now. Now that the team has reported to camp. Just the way it's supposed to be done.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 14, 2011, 10:12:48 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 09:26:53 PM
BTW - Alma has a roster up now. Now that the team has reported to camp. Just the way it's supposed to be done.

Here's hoping this is the only place where Trine finishes last in the MIAA.  ::)

Thanks for the update at what is going on at Alma, sflzman.  I believe that the three "A" schools along with Hope will all have a shot at the top rung in the MIAA which is great for the conference.  An "Eric Watt type" QB only comes along once in a great while so Trine's gonna have to grind them out this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 14, 2011, 10:33:46 PM
Thats a really cool little video that Alma put together for the start of camp!  the testing on the first day is always a fun "combine" type feel for the guys.  Little things like this video go a long way in exposing a program.  best of luck to the scots minus the Trine game  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 14, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
I think Boya is on the one the money regarding the issue of releasing pre-camp information. (as frustrating as that is for us)

It's been openly discussed that Trine has to replace many people on this years squad, and I don't believe they are even into the two a day portions of their practices. So there is most likely still a long way to go on deciding things.

It also has been my experience that with replacing a QB, especially when there is no clear "guy" coming into the season, that coaches use scrimmages and non-conference games as measuring tools. So although this is not earth shattering news, I'm sure Coach Land and CO. are really keeping their cards close to the vest because at this point, they may simply not know who's where.

This is a year of transition at some key places, and I think that leaves them with little "obvious" information that they feel comfortable reporting.

This all said, a roster would be nice.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2011, 11:46:52 PM
Thanks for all the "reporting to camp"/start of camp info guys.

To answer some of the questions, as Raider68 has said, Mount Union has routinely had 200+ players reporting every year for the past decade or so.  A few MIAA schools were running almost near that for a few years; Adrian had 177 about 10 years ago, Hope had 150-160 for 4-5 years up until last year when we had about 130 report.  This year, when they reported today, we have about 116.  Alma, as sflzman has mentioned, has been running around 100-110 the past several years; a while back (in my brothers day and through the 1990's, they would have about 66, maybe in the 80 range).  Olivet in their title run year and before had reached over 100 mark, however, that has been down the last couple (again, OC_SID can help us out with that).  Kazoo was obviously down to the high 40's before Zorbo took over - as I recall, they had about 60+ last year (I might be wrong since I do not have the game programs right in front of me).  Albion has had in the high 100's also- similar to Hope, although I think they were down a bit last year also from the previous years.

With the increased roster sizes in recent years, the development of the the JV programs provided many incoming underclassmen with the opportunity to get some playing time and experience.  However, as has been mentioned, many end up deciding college football (even at the small college level) is not for them for various reasons.  Also, as we have all discussed, with the cost of MIAA schools continuing to increase as well as the availability of more DII opportunities, this has cut down on the roster numbers at most of the MIAA schools - the obvious exception is Trine - like every other MIAA school htat has won titles, the roster sizes always increase the follwoing year.  Everyone wants to go to a winning program.

As far as roster limits as ThunderHead asked about, the MIAA does not have roster limits.  The WIAC (Wisconsin league), however, does and that is set at 100.  Those school administrations chose to set limits to keep the costs down.  Also, none of the MIAA schools has a "cut policy".  Hope did when I played way back, but not since.

Also, I guess I was not aware that the NCAA had a rule prohibiting DIII schools from posting rosters before the day of report.  That is a stupid rule and no reason for it whatsoever, especially at DIII.  Teams are allowed to post returning players before report day, but, again, with regard to new incoming recruits, I was not aware of that.  Another example of a ludicrous NCAA rule. :P ::) :)

Anyway, looking forward to posting with all of you.  Keep us posted on developments of the first week at your schools.

Best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2011, 11:50:11 PM
Hey Uncle Rico.  Even though your son has graduated from Trine, glad to see you posting and I hope you and LIR will continue to do so and join us again here this season!

ThunderHead; I just wanted to wish you all the best as you start the next chapter this week in your move out southwest.  Never fun to move, yet, we all do what we have to do in life as opportunities arise. Anway, I hope you will continue to post with us also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 15, 2011, 08:24:04 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2011, 11:46:52 PM

  Also, none of the MIAA schools has a "cut policy".  Hope did when I played way back, but not since.

formerd3db

Im glad you made the cut d3db  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 15, 2011, 10:08:57 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 15, 2011, 08:24:04 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2011, 11:46:52 PM

  Also, none of the MIAA schools has a "cut policy".  Hope did when I played way back, but not since.

formerd3db

Im glad you made the cut d3db  ;D

He still does, even if it's only for MIAA Chat.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 15, 2011, 10:15:33 AM
Interesting article on the Dutchmen as they enter camp.  Couple of transfers that could have an impact:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1321494539/Transfers-vying-for-time-in-Hope-footballs-wide-open-offense
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 15, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2011, 11:46:52 PM
I guess I was not aware that the NCAA had a rule prohibiting DIII schools from posting rosters before the day of report.  That is a stupid rule and no reason for it whatsoever, especially at DIII.  Teams are allowed to post returning players before report day, but, again, with regard to new incoming recruits, I was not aware of that.  Another example of a ludicrous NCAA rule. :P ::) :)

I believe the rule is in place because technically, coaches have no 100% for sure idea that kids will show up until they are actually at camp....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on August 15, 2011, 11:46:34 AM
FDF

Just read the article.  Hope football player numbers down.  Hope has 2 starters back on O and they are on the line.  Hope has Ill Wes as first game (they are pciked 3rd in their conference just behind Wheaton and North Central).  

Unless a miracle occurs, I suspect Hope will continue its winless non conference streak ... at least through the first game.  Would want to have more game experience under new-bees belts before they have to face Ill Wes.  

In any event, a great test before the conference starts.  Would love to see Hope win ... but that is a pretty darn tall order ... given the info reported in the article.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 15, 2011, 12:35:54 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 14, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Okay. Now that I have seen the first practice, I'm going to give you my season outlook for the Scots.
Offense:
Quarterback: Jarrett Leister will take the reins in the Scot-Gun offense. Leister (St. Louis, MI/Mt. Pleasant High) played in the MHSAA all-star game a few years ago, and committed to Ferris St. At Ferris he was redshirted his Freshman year, before transfering to Alma after the departure of Mackenzie McGrady. Leister was ruled ineligable last season, so he has not seen any game action in over two years. The Scots are returning Garret Cook and Ross Richard who played quarterback for the Scots last season.
Running Back: N/A - nor is it relavent  ;D ;D
Wide Receiver: The Scots lost arguably the best receiver in the MIAA a season ago, Andrew Schaar, and are looking to fill some big shoes. They will look to Austin Montgomery (Charlotte, MI) who was a consistant #2 receiver for the Scots a year ago. Barak Henderson (Dallas, TX) is a 6'6" outside receiver that was big for the Scots - when he was healthy. Henderson is a big target with speed that can spread defenses and test their depth. The problem is, Henderson has not been 100% for more than 6 games in a season. Michael Lennaman (Chelsea, MI) is going to be a key guy in the slot, and could grow to be what Schaar was - a quick, undersized reciever in accross the middle. Besides those three, the Scots will look for big contributions from a variety of underclassmen, that they themselves don't know the names of yet....
O-Line: The Scots were young, and injury prone a year ago on the line. Look for a better offensive line performance with a year starting under the belts, but they are still young, and could still struggle a little bit.

Defense:
D-Line: The Scots graduated 6/7 contributers of the defensive line last season, and will be young. Outside of Ed Raby (Reed City, MI), the young linemen will have a lot to prove. One key gone on the edge can be Alex Andrus (the Sr from G.R.). Andrus transfered in from D1 (Eastern I believe) last season after suffering with a knee injury and surjery. Andrus only played in 3 games last year, but watching him today he looks fast, and ready to be a key on the edge for the Alma D-Line.
Linebackers: I don't think there is a better linebacker group in the conference with Conrad Bovee (Ithaca, MI), Garrett Thelen (St. Johns, MI) and Anthony Sabatella (St. Clair Shores, MI/Warren De La Salle). Both Sabatella and Thelen were featured on the d3football.com Team of the Week last year. Bovee and Sabatella were both all MIAA second team last season.
Defensive Backs: The Scots return 6 DB's from a season ago, including All-MIAA Second Team, Scotty Cole (Alma - Jim Cole's son) and Andrew Funsch (West Branch, MI/Ogemaw Heights). Michael Veeney, Xavier Carranza, Brian Halas, and Luke Kanine will also be key for the Scots.

sflzman,

Good post, +k! :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 15, 2011, 12:53:35 PM
Trine's Outlook is posted.

http://trine.edu/trineathletics/football/outlook.cfm

Short & sweet - exactly what we've come to expect.  Keep those cards close to the chest.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 15, 2011, 01:21:27 PM
I like the short and sweet outlook because this is all we can really know at this point anyways.  But to be fair to everyone else, these are all things that were pretty well known months ago and probably could have been posted up once summer hit and the eligibility of some players is confirmed!

However I am sure Coach Land has his reasons for holding back.  I don't think this is the SID's issue here.  I just think its a matter of not broadcasting team information until as much as possible is known.

wabco-Hope has always played a really strong off season schedule.  That is quite the loss streak but they always push themselves in their preseason play.  A continuing topic of debate is whether it is better to play such a strong off season preparing the team for stronger competition, or if playing such a competitive pre season hurts the team with tired, banged up, and dejected players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on August 15, 2011, 01:32:58 PM
boya87

I know Hope does.  A number of years ago Wabash and followed by DePauw would play them first two games.  Hope's teams were pretty good then and always played tough but often started their conference season out with 2 or 3 losses.  Problem was also that players got injured before the conference started.  Smith was a great Hope coach.  I suspect this tradition of "into the fire" started with him and has carried over.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 01:38:08 PM
Regarding Trine's outlook, I agree with everyone here, it's basically not much of an outlook.

The information presented isn't anything that couldn't be figured out by simply looking at last years roster, and viewing the already published coaches poll.

This all said, like it's been stated here, I think Trine just has a lot of positional question marks to address this year and at this point there are simply no defined answers. Fall camp is about position battles for teams in transition, and although big schools have scouting services that update you on the progress of camp, it's still all speculation if it isn't coming from the coaches mouth publicly. Though it is nice to hear how camp is progressing from a fan's stand point, especially for those of us trying to scratch that football itch.

On another note, I do wish Trine had a football web site that was more reflective of their past success. If you look at a lot of the other successful D3 programs, they have web sites that are on par with big schools. It would be nice if Trines web site looked like something other then a side note on the athletic section. Though Trine does not seem to be having an issue with recruiting, I can't help but think a web site on par with other programs with similar success would only add to the programs overall image.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 15, 2011, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 01:38:08 PM
Regarding Trine's outlook, I agree with everyone here, it's basically not much of an outlook.

On another note, I do wish Trine had a football web site that was more reflective of their past success. If you look at a lot of the other successful D3 programs, they have web sites that are on par with big schools. It would be nice if Trines web site looked like something other then a side note on the athletic section. Though Trine does not seem to be having an issue with recruiting, I can't help but think a web site on par with other programs with similar success would only add to the programs overall image.


Same with d3football.com...ever since they changed their layout/look, it looks like they lost ALOT of historical data during the conversion.

Not sure if that's something they're still working on or what maybe they wanted to cut back?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 02:03:58 PM
Warhawk,

I wish Trine's site was more on par with your teams site. I think UWW does a  nice job.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 15, 2011, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 15, 2011, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 01:38:08 PM
Regarding Trine's outlook, I agree with everyone here, it's basically not much of an outlook.

On another note, I do wish Trine had a football web site that was more reflective of their past success. If you look at a lot of the other successful D3 programs, they have web sites that are on par with big schools. It would be nice if Trines web site looked like something other then a side note on the athletic section. Though Trine does not seem to be having an issue with recruiting, I can't help but think a web site on par with other programs with similar success would only add to the programs overall image.


Same with d3football.com...ever since they changed their layout/look, it looks like they lost ALOT of historical data during the conversion.

Not sure if that's something they're still working on or what maybe they wanted to cut back?

Yes, I agree. A lot of schools seem to lose information when they upgrade to a new athletic's look, such as a presto website.. That's why I think the Olivet one is so nice, they were able to include all of their historical data in the upgrade....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 15, 2011, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 02:03:58 PM
Warhawk,

I wish Trine's site was more on par with your teams site. I think UWW does a  nice job.



When I attended Whitewater (early 2000s) the UWW athletic website was nothing great at all. I'm not sure when the transition occurred, but in the mid 2000s they switched the athletics page to a different URL entirely.

As far as historical data, you try the MIAA website? the conference site usually houses historical records available to web users.  
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 15, 2011, 05:33:18 PM
You know how you have you "poster staus" thing in stars, along with a title like all-region and whatnot? What is the 4-star title? I can't find anyone with 4, only 3 and 5 stars....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 15, 2011, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 15, 2011, 05:33:18 PM
You know how you have you "poster staus" thing in stars, along with a title like all-region and whatnot? What is the 4-star title? I can't find anyone with 4, only 3 and 5 stars....

sflzman,

Pat will have to clarify, but I believe it is the following:

All- Conference- 750 or 800 Posts ?

All- Region- 1250 Posts

All- American- 2000 Posts

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 15, 2011, 06:55:23 PM
Thanks Raider. Sounds good. I was just wondering how many more posts I'd need to move up lol  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 07:02:48 PM
Only 140 some to go sflzman, then you're big time.  ;)

Throw one of your tailgating receipts on here, I know a guy like you gets down on the tailgating... ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 15, 2011, 07:43:53 PM
Yippee...an updated outlook for Trine football....bleck...ptui...what, are you kidding me?  I agree ThunderHead, you or I could have written that outlook.  Other than the news that receiver Mario Brown was returning from being out all last year, which was pretty much common knowledge, it was a total waste of space.  I wasn't expecting to hear about every position battle and who is involved, but would have been nice to be given a couple new names, not necessarily freshman or transfers, but maybe sophomores or junior reserves who figured to be vying for a starting position.  It's not like the other MIAA teams are going to starting game planning Trine from an outlook of the team.  Why so secretive about players?  Is Denard Robinson transferring in from UM?!  :o

I also agree, ThunderHead, about our athletics website, it not much to brag about.  But I am going to reserve judgment for now until the new SID gets his stamp on things.  Ok I am done griping about cyber space...love reading about all the updates from camp, keep 'em coming.  :)

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 08:41:06 PM
TUAngola,

I understand your frustration, and I also hope the new SID gets to give some input on the web site (or lack there of).

I understand that sometimes programs want to keep things under wraps, and yet at some point a program needs to grow up a little and realize that when you're 29-1 during three season, you're not going to "sneak up" on anyone.

It's my guess that Trine is circled on most of the MIAA opponents schedules. Them knowing who Trine has coming in, who is coming back, and who's battling for positions isn't information that most programs are going to find all that relevant.

I'm sure that other MIAA programs are not saying this:

Coach 1: "well, Watt is gone, and only 4 starts are coming back on defense so I'm sure they're going to really be a poor team this season, finally."

Coach 2: "I don't know Coach, did you read their pre-season preview? I guess they think they have other guys who are pretty good competing for the vacated spots."

Coach 1: "Really? You mean they have other good players at Trine who want to start? Are you sure?"

Coach 2: "Yeah Coach, to be honest I thought they would be bad too, but then I read that Coach Land said in the write up he's excited about the new guys coming in and several players that didn't see much action last year are ready to compete at a high level this season. Once I read that, I though ""oh no"" then I realized they weren't going to be a push over."

Coach 1: "Oh crap, well thank goodness for that write up, otherwise we'd have no idea."

Coach 2: "yeah that's what I was thinking".

Anyway - that's just my take. I don't think Trine has to much to worry about, a review doesn't win you or lose you games. The game is played on the field. I use to work for coaches who actually sent their game plan to opposing schools. That might have been a bit over the top...but it just goes to show, play the game, and give the fans a web site and pre-season outlook that will give them something to look forward to in Angola.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 15, 2011, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 08:41:06 PM
TUAngola,

I understand your frustration, and I also hope the new SID gets to give some input on the web site (or lack there of).

I understand that sometimes programs want to keep things under wraps, and yet at some point a program needs to grow up a little and realize that when you're 29-1 during three season, you're not going to "sneak up" on anyone.

It's my guess that Trine is circled on most of the MIAA opponents schedules. Them knowing who Trine has coming in, who is coming back, and who's battling for positions isn't information that most programs are going to find all that relevant.

I'm sure that other MIAA programs are not saying this:

Coach 1: "well, Watt is gone, and only 4 starts are coming back on defense so I'm sure they're going to really be a poor team this season, finally."

Coach 2: "I don't know Coach, did you read their pre-season preview? I guess they think they have other guys who are pretty good competing for the vacated spots."

Coach 1: "Really? You mean they have other good players at Trine who want to start? Are you sure?"

Coach 2: "Yeah Coach, to be honest I thought they would be bad too, but then I read that Coach Land said in the write up he's excited about the new guys coming in and several players that didn't see much action last year are ready to compete at a high level this season. Once I read that, I though ""oh no"" then I realized they weren't going to be a push over."

Coach 1: "Oh crap, well thank goodness for that write up, otherwise we'd have no idea."

Coach 2: "yeah that's what I was thinking".

Anyway - that's just my take. I don't think Trine has to much to worry about, a review doesn't win you or lose you games. The game is played on the field. I use to work for coaches who actually sent their game plan to opposing schools. That might have been a bit over the top...but it just goes to show, play the game, and give the fans a web site and pre-season outlook that will give them something to look forward to in Angola.



+1.  My sentiments exactly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 15, 2011, 09:13:31 PM
TUA, you've got 182 posts to go before you can actually give +1 - so I'll give it to TH in your name! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 15, 2011, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 15, 2011, 07:43:53 PM
But I am going to reserve judgment for now until the new SID gets his stamp on things. 

I believe though, that he should be pretty good once he gets his feelers on things. Brian comes from Adrian and was a part of the very good Sports Information department over there. Adrian's stuff is always really up to date...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on August 15, 2011, 10:46:44 PM
new to the post, but have been reading for 3 yrs. k college had 75 players report to camp.they may suprise some teams this year. for them, they have a fair amount of exp. coming back. don't mean to offend anyone, but when renovations are done next year , they'll give anybodies facillities a run for their money. my son's sr. so he'll miss out. have enjoyed this site and look forward to this season. go zoo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 15, 2011, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: matblake on August 15, 2011, 10:08:57 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 15, 2011, 08:24:04 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2011, 11:46:52 PM

  Also, none of the MIAA schools has a "cut policy".  Hope did when I played way back, but not since.

formerd3db

Im glad you made the cut d3db  ;D

He still does, even if it's only for MIAA Chat.   ;)

Thanks BOYA87 and matblake, you guys are very kind! :)  The same goes for you both - you make the cut!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 15, 2011, 11:29:35 PM
Welcome to our MIAA board kazoodad.  Glad to have you and best wishes to your son for his senior season.  Although your son will miss out on the new facilities at Kazoo, at least he'll have the fantastic experience of playing in a big DI stadium when you guys play at Waldo this season.  I kind of wish Hope was playing you guys down there this year for that instead of up at our place - just for the different atmosphere!

Anyway, hopefully, our friend stinger, a long-time Kazoo poster here on our board will return and join you in providing us with the Kazoo faction and side of things this year. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 15, 2011, 11:36:37 PM
Quote from: wabco on August 15, 2011, 01:32:58 PM
boya87

I know Hope does.  A number of years ago Wabash and followed by DePauw would play them first two games.  Hope's teams were pretty good then and always played tough but often started their conference season out with 2 or 3 losses.  Problem was also that players got injured before the conference started.  Smith was a great Hope coach.  I suspect this tradition of "into the fire" started with him and has carried over.

Your are right, wabco.  That trend i.e. as you term it tradition of "into the fire" (that is a great quote +k to you! ;D) did start with Coach Smith.  He also had us playing some DII schools (U of Indianapolis, then called Indiana Central), which, with Wheaton, DePauw and Wabash did help us in the latter part of the season, even though we lost some of those games, although we did win sometimes.  You and the others have described the dilemma exactly i.e. does the tough non-conference schedule help or not and is the injury risk if you do that "step-up" worth it?  We've had some lengthy, yet great discussion on this topic here in the past.  Anyway, thanks for visiting our board on occasion as you do.

BTW, Hope did have the 116 report today as previously anticipated.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on August 16, 2011, 12:52:54 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 15, 2011, 05:33:18 PM
You know how you have you "poster staus" thing in stars, along with a title like all-region and whatnot? What is the 4-star title? I can't find anyone with 4, only 3 and 5 stars....

There are several of us over on the NCAC Board - "all conference" but whether destined to earn national recognition and accolades remains to be seen (or read as the case may be).   ;D ;D

Hope (no favoritism toward formerD3 there  ;)) all are enjoying the pre-season / camp banter and your respective seasons start off well.  Cheers from the other side of the globe! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on August 16, 2011, 08:10:14 AM
By the by ... it works both ways in also getting ready for the season ... for those who played Hope during the "preseason" in those Smith days.  I would have to look up the year ... but sufice to say a number of years ago .... the first game for Wabash was with Hope at Hope ... and Wabash lost by 3 (I believe).  We went on, won the rest and were runner up in the Stag Bowl by a couple.  I like to tell my Hope friends that Hope toughened us up that year but Just not quite enough.  Smith recruited and coached some very good teams and Hope always played hard every minute of the game ... giving us all we could handle (and sometimes ... then some) along with good game films of both the Wabash game and the Hope/DePauw game.  Would love to see Hope climb back into that first chair.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 16, 2011, 08:47:45 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 15, 2011, 08:41:06 PM

I'm sure that other MIAA programs are not saying this:

Coach 1: "well, Watt is gone, and only 4 starts are coming back on defense so I'm sure they're going to really be a poor team this season, finally."

Coach 2: "I don't know Coach, did you read their pre-season preview? I guess they think they have other guys who are pretty good competing for the vacated spots."

Coach 1: "Really? You mean they have other good players at Trine who want to start? Are you sure?"

Coach 2: "Yeah Coach, to be honest I thought they would be bad too, but then I read that Coach Land said in the write up he's excited about the new guys coming in and several players that didn't see much action last year are ready to compete at a high level this season. Once I read that, I though ""oh no"" then I realized they weren't going to be a push over."

Coach 1: "Oh crap, well thank goodness for that write up, otherwise we'd have no idea."

Coach 2: "yeah that's what I was thinking".



hahaha you know I think I overheard this same conversation the other day!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 17, 2011, 07:05:56 PM
How come I see no Adrian helmets posting here????  It would be nice to get some more perspectives...It is not as if they aren't a big school or have not been competitive on the football field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 17, 2011, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: kzoodad on August 15, 2011, 10:46:44 PM
new to the post, but have been reading for 3 yrs. k college had 75 players report to camp.they may suprise some teams this year. for them, they have a fair amount of exp. coming back. don't mean to offend anyone, but when renovations are done next year , they'll give anybodies facillities a run for their money. my son's sr. so he'll miss out. have enjoyed this site and look forward to this season. go zoo.

kzoodad,

Welcome to the MIAA boards, Although a Mount Union alum and former player, the MiAA posters have treated me well. I do hold an advanced degree from CMU and lived in the Poratage/Kalamazoo area for while so that counts a little! Hope K-zoo can have a good year! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on August 17, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
former3dbd,raider68, thanks for the welcomre.practice is going well for the zoo. they have gottan some time at waldo this week. one thing about new stadium, no tailgating around field.gonna miss that unique sat. exp.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 17, 2011, 11:42:55 PM
Quote from: kzoodad on August 17, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
former3dbd,raider68, thanks for the welcomre.practice is going well for the zoo. they have gottan some time at waldo this week. one thing about new stadium, no tailgating around field.gonna miss that unique sat. exp.

You are welcome.  Yes, you guys (Kazoo) have had, at Angell, one of the best tailgaiting atmospheres I've seen anywhere for many DIII schools.  At the same time, as I mentioned before, the opportunity to play at Waldo will be a neat, unique and memorable experience.  Perhaps the WMU athletic dept administrators might find you all an area where you can tailgate before the games.  I am somewhat "bummed" that we (Hope) won't get the chance to play you at Waldo as our game with you is at our home stadium in Holland.  Anyway, thanks for the update on Kazoo. Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 17, 2011, 11:48:45 PM
Uncle Rico:

We used to have some great Adrian posters such as ADAWG and bulldogalum, however, they have left us for quite sometime.  Part of that is, I believe, their protest due to the way the Adrian administration handled the dismissal of former Coach Lyall, who is now the head football coach of cross-town rival Siena Heights University.

cave2:  Great to hear from you and my best to you and yours "across the sea".  We'll look forward posting with you again this season!  I hope (no pun intended either ;D) you both are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2011, 07:37:34 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 17, 2011, 11:48:45 PM
Uncle Rico:

We used to have some great Adrian posters such as ADAWG and bulldogalum, however, they have left us for quite sometime.  Part of that is, I believe, their protest due to the way the Adrian administration handled the dismissal of former Coach Lyall, who is now the head football coach of cross-town rival Siena Heights University.

cave2:  Great to hear from you and my best to you and yours "across the sea".  We'll look forward posting with you again this season!  I hope (no pun intended either ;D) you both are doing well.

Yes, I remember both of them, and it seemed that ADAWG was particularily upset with the coaching change.  But that does not explain the lack of new posters from last year and this. I know this touches on an ealier discussed topic. 

Is it apathy, or the requirement for a determined search of D3 info that maybe is limiting the number of new people on this MIAA forum?  Or is this current group currently participating more passionate than most about the game?  Does the MIAA forum differ from some of the others in regards to bringing new blood in?  Sucess might play some factor, but Let It Rain and I both signed on prior to Trine having any sucess.  That did not stop us from wanting to learn more. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 18, 2011, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2011, 07:37:34 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 17, 2011, 11:48:45 PM
Uncle Rico:

We used to have some great Adrian posters such as ADAWG and bulldogalum, however, they have left us for quite sometime.  Part of that is, I believe, their protest due to the way the Adrian administration handled the dismissal of former Coach Lyall, who is now the head football coach of cross-town rival Siena Heights University.

cave2:  Great to hear from you and my best to you and yours "across the sea".  We'll look forward posting with you again this season!  I hope (no pun intended either ;D) you both are doing well.

Yes, I remember both of them, and it seemed that ADAWG was particularily upset with the coaching change.  But that does not explain the lack of new posters from last year and this. I know this touches on an ealier discussed topic. 

Is it apathy, or the requirement for a determined search of D3 info that maybe is limiting the number of new people on this MIAA forum?  Or is this current group currently participating more passionate than most about the game?  Does the MIAA forum differ from some of the others in regards to bringing new blood in?  Sucess might play some factor, but Let It Rain and I both signed on prior to Trine having any sucess.  That did not stop us from wanting to learn more. 

IMHO it's related to the success of the team in recent years.  The number of Hope, Adrian, Albion FB posters has been falling a bit over the last few years.  The number of Trine posters has skyrocketed.  It all seems to be related to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 18, 2011, 10:46:55 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 18, 2011, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2011, 07:37:34 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 17, 2011, 11:48:45 PM
Uncle Rico:

We used to have some great Adrian posters such as ADAWG and bulldogalum, however, they have left us for quite sometime.  Part of that is, I believe, their protest due to the way the Adrian administration handled the dismissal of former Coach Lyall, who is now the head football coach of cross-town rival Siena Heights University.

cave2:  Great to hear from you and my best to you and yours "across the sea".  We'll look forward posting with you again this season!  I hope (no pun intended either ;D) you both are doing well.

Yes, I remember both of them, and it seemed that ADAWG was particularily upset with the coaching change.  But that does not explain the lack of new posters from last year and this. I know this touches on an ealier discussed topic. 

Is it apathy, or the requirement for a determined search of D3 info that maybe is limiting the number of new people on this MIAA forum?  Or is this current group currently participating more passionate than most about the game?  Does the MIAA forum differ from some of the others in regards to bringing new blood in?  Sucess might play some factor, but Let It Rain and I both signed on prior to Trine having any sucess.  That did not stop us from wanting to learn more. 

IMHO it's related to the success of the team in recent years.  The number of Hope, Adrian, Albion FB posters has been falling a bit over the last few years.  The number of Trine posters has skyrocketed.  It all seems to be related to me.

I agree that it has to do with success.  If the team you like is successful, it's easy to talk about them.  You see it on every board.  IMO it also has to do with football.  The MIAA is currently a strong basketball conference and outside of Trine has had limited success in football in recent years.  The MIAA basketball board is always fast moving, but it is the top teams that often have the most posters over there too. 

As far as wanting to learn more, it takes a special person to follow a D3 team after you graduate or your son/daughter have graduated.  You really have to catch the spark of D3 and I don't think that a high percentage of people care to do that.  This site makes it tons easier than it was pre-1999 (ie a random score of Alma v Hope in the paper with the incorrect score/winner listed), but the desire to continue to follow D3 comes from really engaging with D3 athletics when you are exposed to it, and not everyone does that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 18, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
matblake ...

You got me thinking about D3 football and its appeal.  I have been a D3 fan ever since I discovered "small college" football back in 1961 ... I'm not sure when D3 came into existence in the NCAA but 1973 was the first Stagg Bowl.  I'm a 1965  grad of the University of Dubuque in Iowa ... and have followed my alma mater faithfully ever since.  There hasn't been much to cheer about in football except in the '79 and '80 season when the Spartans made the play-offs, but my loyalty to them and to D3 football has never wavered.  Where ever we have lived, Iowa, Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Minnesota and Michigan, I have always managed at least one D3 football game every season.  In addition to the IIAC and MIAA teams, I have seen Springfield College, American International, Amherst, Bates, Wesleyan, Ithaca, Carroll, Illinois College, Bethel, Coast Guard, Benedictine, Aurora, Rockford, UW Platteville and UW Whitewater.  Having Hope, Olivet Alma  close by (I'm in GR) gives me some options and I love Saturday afternoons on a small campus somewhere with the D3 atmosphere that can't be beat.  Go D3!!!

And ... GO UD SPARTANS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 18, 2011, 12:09:45 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 18, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
matblake ...

You got me thinking about D3 football and its appeal.  I have been a D3 fan ever since I discovered "small college" football back in 1961 ... I'm not sure when D3 came into existence in the NCAA but 1973 was the first Stagg Bowl.  I'm a 1965  grad of the University of Dubuque in Iowa ... and have followed my alma mater faithfully ever since.  There hasn't been much to cheer about in football except in the '79 and '80 season when the Spartans made the play-offs, but my loyalty to them and to D3 football has never wavered.  Where ever we have lived, Iowa, Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Minnesota and Michigan, I have always managed at least one D3 football game every season.  In addition to the IIAC and MIAA teams, I have seen Springfield College, American International, Amherst, Bates, Wesleyan, Ithaca, Carroll, Illinois College, Bethel, Coast Guard, Benedictine, Aurora, Rockford, UW Platteville and UW Whitewater.  Having Hope, Olivet Alma  close by (I'm in GR) gives me some options and I love Saturday afternoons on a small campus somewhere with the D3 atmosphere that can't be beat.  Go D3!!!

And ... GO UD SPARTANS!

DBQ, you definitely caught the bug.    I'm really glad this site exists because it gives those with a desire to follow their school, conference, etc. a chance to keep up with what's happening. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 18, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
I am about to head out to Trine's intrasquad scrimmage.  Stay tuned for a report on what I see. (not too in depth of course because we gotta keep some cards hidden  ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 18, 2011, 06:56:41 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 18, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
I am about to head out to Trine's intrasquad scrimmage.  Stay tuned for a report on what I see. (not too in depth of course because we gotta keep some cards hidden  ;))

Great BOYA87!  Hope to get some first hand information on the TU boys because by golly we are still in 2010 on the website!!  Next Thursday evening is the scrimmage against St Francis, plan on going to get my first glimpse of the 2011 TU Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2011, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 18, 2011, 06:56:41 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 18, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
I am about to head out to Trine's intrasquad scrimmage.  Stay tuned for a report on what I see. (not too in depth of course because we gotta keep some cards hidden  ;))

Great BOYA87!  Hope to get some first hand information on the TU boys because by golly we are still in 2010 on the website!!  Next Thursday evening is the scrimmage against St Francis, plan on going to get my first glimpse of the 2011 TU Thunder!

I wish I could make it down for the scrimmage.  Trine gets knocked for having a soft non-conference schedule, but I think they do learn a lot during this one event.  I understand that St. Francis is usually a very good team and Trine has done well against them in scrimmage.  Even though it is a "scrimmage," things have gotten pretty chippy at times.  It will be a good opportunity to see where they are at, what needs work, and how well people are doing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 18, 2011, 10:00:18 PM
First day of pads for the Scots. By the way - I think I have the answer to the "not relevant" on my RB section of my season preview. Check out around the  0:30 mark. Looks like he may be the running back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pJGz9t1RSo
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 19, 2011, 08:35:18 AM
Wow!  Thats a big boy runnin with the ball!  Im glad hes beating up on his own defense for awhile...maybe he'll be worn out by the time he gets to Trine's!  haha

I didn't see much that I didn't expect to see at Trine's intersquad scrimmage.  At this point the defense looked stronger than the offense but that is always expected early in the season as defensive schemes are a lot easier to pick up for younger guys.

The QB position still looks to be Hargraves with his better understanding and comfortability with the offensive system.  Running game still looks very strong and passing game has been improving all week.

Other than that it was difficult to get a good feel but I'm hoping to get a much better idea in next weeks scrimmage vs St. Francis!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 19, 2011, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 18, 2011, 10:00:18 PM
First day of pads for the Scots. By the way - I think I have the answer to the "not relevant" on my RB section of my season preview. Check out around the  0:30 mark. Looks like he may be the running back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pJGz9t1RSo


Video was awarded footballscoop.com's video of the day
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 19, 2011, 12:32:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 18, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
matblake ...

You got me thinking about D3 football and its appeal.  I have been a D3 fan ever since I discovered "small college" football back in 1961 ... I'm not sure when D3 came into existence in the NCAA but 1973 was the first Stagg Bowl.  I'm a 1965  grad of the University of Dubuque in Iowa ... and have followed my alma mater faithfully ever since.  There hasn't been much to cheer about in football except in the '79 and '80 season when the Spartans made the play-offs, but my loyalty to them and to D3 football has never wavered.  Where ever we have lived, Iowa, Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Minnesota and Michigan, I have always managed at least one D3 football game every season.  In addition to the IIAC and MIAA teams, I have seen Springfield College, American International, Amherst, Bates, Wesleyan, Ithaca, Carroll, Illinois College, Bethel, Coast Guard, Benedictine, Aurora, Rockford, UW Platteville and UW Whitewater.  Having Hope, Olivet Alma  close by (I'm in GR) gives me some options and I love Saturday afternoons on a small campus somewhere with the D3 atmosphere that can't be beat.  Go D3!!!

And ... GO UD SPARTANS!

DBQ1965,

With your love of D3 football, you need to come to Mount Union this fall. From GR you are about 4 hrs away! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2011, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 19, 2011, 12:32:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 18, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
matblake ...

You got me thinking about D3 football and its appeal.  I have been a D3 fan ever since I discovered "small college" football back in 1961 ... I'm not sure when D3 came into existence in the NCAA but 1973 was the first Stagg Bowl.  I'm a 1965  grad of the University of Dubuque in Iowa ... and have followed my alma mater faithfully ever since.  There hasn't been much to cheer about in football except in the '79 and '80 season when the Spartans made the play-offs, but my loyalty to them and to D3 football has never wavered.  Where ever we have lived, Iowa, Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Minnesota and Michigan, I have always managed at least one D3 football game every season.  In addition to the IIAC and MIAA teams, I have seen Springfield College, American International, Amherst, Bates, Wesleyan, Ithaca, Carroll, Illinois College, Bethel, Coast Guard, Benedictine, Aurora, Rockford, UW Platteville and UW Whitewater.  Having Hope, Olivet Alma  close by (I'm in GR) gives me some options and I love Saturday afternoons on a small campus somewhere with the D3 atmosphere that can't be beat.  Go D3!!!

And ... GO UD SPARTANS!

DBQ1965,

With your love of D3 football, you need to come to Mount Union this fall. From GR you are about 4 hrs away! :)

Closer to 5-1/2 hours.  According to AAA, its 338 miles from my driveway to the campus ... and at my age, I always need a couple of "breaks" along the way.  Still, the tempation is there.  What would you posit as the best Mount Union home game this coming season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 19, 2011, 03:14:35 PM
Speaking of traveling to games, Mr. Ypsi are you still planning on taking the treck up to Alma for the IWU game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 19, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2011, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 19, 2011, 12:32:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 18, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
matblake ...

You got me thinking about D3 football and its appeal.  I have been a D3 fan ever since I discovered "small college" football back in 1961 ... I'm not sure when D3 came into existence in the NCAA but 1973 was the first Stagg Bowl.  I'm a 1965  grad of the University of Dubuque in Iowa ... and have followed my alma mater faithfully ever since.  There hasn't been much to cheer about in football except in the '79 and '80 season when the Spartans made the play-offs, but my loyalty to them and to D3 football has never wavered.  Where ever we have lived, Iowa, Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Minnesota and Michigan, I have always managed at least one D3 football game every season.  In addition to the IIAC and MIAA teams, I have seen Springfield College, American International, Amherst, Bates, Wesleyan, Ithaca, Carroll, Illinois College, Bethel, Coast Guard, Benedictine, Aurora, Rockford, UW Platteville and UW Whitewater.  Having Hope, Olivet Alma  close by (I'm in GR) gives me some options and I love Saturday afternoons on a small campus somewhere with the D3 atmosphere that can't be beat.  Go D3!!!

And ... GO UD SPARTANS!

DBQ1965,

With your love of D3 football, you need to come to Mount Union this fall. From GR you are about 4 hrs away! :)

Closer to 5-1/2 hours.  According to AAA, its 338 miles from my driveway to the campus ... and at my age, I always need a couple of "breaks" along the way.  Still, the tempation is there.  What would you posit as the best Mount Union home game this coming season?


I suggest:               1. Baldwin - Wallace Nov. 5th    1:30 PM
                              2. Otterbein             Oct. 29th   1:30 PM   
                              3. Wisc. -Osh           Sep. 10th  1:30 PM

All would be good, Nov. 5th would no doubt be colder! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 19, 2011, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 19, 2011, 03:14:35 PM
Speaking of traveling to games, Mr. Ypsi are you still planning on taking the treck up to Alma for the IWU game?

It's on my calendar - but there will be a family reunion in Illinois (celebrating my parents' SEVENTIETH anniversary) somewhere around that time.  The precise date depends on when my oldest brother and his wife make it in from California, which is so far known only approximately.

I'll let you know one way or the other as soon as I know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 19, 2011, 05:41:59 PM
Hopefully you'll be able to make it up. The new additions to the facility and the atmosphere will make the upset bearable for you to watch  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on August 19, 2011, 05:53:45 PM
A little video about Albion got put up. It's a little silly, but I think those are new uniforms if I'm not mistaken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQgIZiyb85M&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.albion.edu%2Fsports%2F&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 19, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
BOYA,

Thanks for the update on the scrimmage.

I think the QB situation will take to figure out, Ryan has a great understanding of the offense and got to spend time watching a guy who mastered it (watt) run the show. This said, I imagine the other guys aren't dummies and are working to gain ground in that area.

Defensively I think the defense will be outstanding. I know they had to replace a lot of athletes, but I also think that there are guys who can't wait for their opportunity and will make the most of it.

I'm in Grand Rapids, MI for training before I officially move west, so I might be able to swing down for the scrimmage on next Thursday. I'd like to see the new look Thunder just once live.

Albion's field looks sharp on video, it should be a good year for MIAA football.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 20, 2011, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 19, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2011, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 19, 2011, 12:32:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 18, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
matblake ...

You got me thinking about D3 football and its appeal.  I have been a D3 fan ever since I discovered "small college" football back in 1961 ... I'm not sure when D3 came into existence in the NCAA but 1973 was the first Stagg Bowl.  I'm a 1965  grad of the University of Dubuque in Iowa ... and have followed my alma mater faithfully ever since.  There hasn't been much to cheer about in football except in the '79 and '80 season when the Spartans made the play-offs, but my loyalty to them and to D3 football has never wavered.  Where ever we have lived, Iowa, Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Minnesota and Michigan, I have always managed at least one D3 football game every season.  In addition to the IIAC and MIAA teams, I have seen Springfield College, American International, Amherst, Bates, Wesleyan, Ithaca, Carroll, Illinois College, Bethel, Coast Guard, Benedictine, Aurora, Rockford, UW Platteville and UW Whitewater.  Having Hope, Olivet Alma  close by (I'm in GR) gives me some options and I love Saturday afternoons on a small campus somewhere with the D3 atmosphere that can't be beat.  Go D3!!!

And ... GO UD SPARTANS!

DBQ1965,

With your love of D3 football, you need to come to Mount Union this fall. From GR you are about 4 hrs away! :)

Closer to 5-1/2 hours.  According to AAA, its 338 miles from my driveway to the campus ... and at my age, I always need a couple of "breaks" along the way.  Still, the tempation is there.  What would you posit as the best Mount Union home game this coming season?


I suggest:               1. Baldwin - Wallace Nov. 5th    1:30 PM
                              2. Otterbein             Oct. 29th   1:30 PM   
                              3. Wisc. -Osh           Sep. 10th  1:30 PM

All would be good, Nov. 5th would no doubt be colder! :)

Thanks.  I'll have to see how things work out.  After all, I do need to plan my annual pilgrimage back to Dubuque.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 20, 2011, 07:57:31 PM
The MIAA Pickems got off to a rousing start, with 8 entries already by 9 days ago.  I just posted my entry, so as not to forget like I did last year! ::)

No real urgency - Trine kicks off in 12 days; most games are still 14 days away.  But just a reminder to all - we're already up to nine - I see no reason we can't have at least 20 participants this year. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 21, 2011, 08:18:29 AM
I just realized ... Olivet is the only MIAA school that opens its 2011 football season at home.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 21, 2011, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on August 19, 2011, 05:53:45 PM
A little video about Albion got put up. It's a little silly, but I think those are new uniforms if I'm not mistaken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQgIZiyb85M&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.albion.edu%2Fsports%2F&feature=player_embedded

The music from this video sounds like something they took off an 80's video game!  Remember the game Techmo Super Bowl!?  hahaha but the field looks great and those are definitely new unies from what I can remember
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 11:07:49 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 21, 2011, 08:18:29 AM
I just realized ... Olivet is the only MIAA school that opens its 2011 football season at home.

OC_SID posted that a few weeks ago on the pick'ems board. It is quite amazing how that happens
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 21, 2011, 11:11:32 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 11:07:49 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 21, 2011, 08:18:29 AM
I just realized ... Olivet is the only MIAA school that opens its 2011 football season at home.

OC_SID posted that a few weeks ago on the pick'ems board. It is quite amazing how that happens

An opening season win would "really" help Olivet, but do they have that chance? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 21, 2011, 11:11:32 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 11:07:49 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 21, 2011, 08:18:29 AM
I just realized ... Olivet is the only MIAA school that opens its 2011 football season at home.

OC_SID posted that a few weeks ago on the pick'ems board. It is quite amazing how that happens

An opening season win would "really" help Olivet, but do they have that chance? :-\

They're playing another team that was 0-10 last year, (Cornell of Iowa) and the Comets seem optimistic about the chances. After that game they go on murderer's row though....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 12:59:27 PM
Getting ready for the inter-sqaud game here in Alma. Players hit the field at 2:15 with a 3:00 start time.

Go Scots!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 21, 2011, 07:35:50 PM
Hey guys, I'm working on my schedule to get to the scrimmage at Trine on Thursday. I'm not 100% positive I'll make it, as I'm waiting on my training schedule for wed-fri, but if I can get there who else is going?

Roll Call  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 21, 2011, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 21, 2011, 07:35:50 PM
Hey guys, I'm working on my schedule to get to the scrimmage at Trine on Thursday. I'm not 100% positive I'll make it, as I'm waiting on my training schedule for wed-fri, but if I can get there who else is going?

Roll Call  ;D
I plan on going...scrimmage begins at 8pm according to the Trine schedule, is that correct?  St Francis is very good, as has already been stated in this thread.  Looking forward to seeing how Hargraves does at QB and who steps in for the graduated seniors on "D".   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 21, 2011, 08:45:47 PM
I believe the 8pm start time is correct, but I may call down to Trine just to make sure.

I'm also interested in how Hargraves does at QB, as well as seeing what Blackport, Rousch and Yoder can do. Though Hargraves has been in the system longer, I'm almost positive he doesn't have the strongest arm on the team, so it will be interesting to see how things shape up and if the new guys can keep things close despite their lack of time in the system.

The mental side can be over whelming sometimes, so it's a definite advantage for Ryan to have the experience he does.  

As for the defense, I don't know to much about St Francis or what type of system they run, but I'm particularly interested in how Trine's DB's do.

Also, I was looking at Olivets web site, I think it's well put together, as is Adrian's. Hopefully our new SID gives someone the heads up that our web site looks a project some JR high kids put together over spring break. Even the shot of the stadium shot on the athletic "home page" showcases the smaller visitors section...it's just sad.

Well TUA maybe I'll see you down there.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 08:58:35 PM
Highlight vid from the intrasquad today. Ed Mason's tough to take down in the backfield that's for sure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwiH97gyYxs&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 21, 2011, 09:08:32 PM
sflzman,

Good stuff, thanks for taking the time to post it.

What were your thoughts based on what you saw?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 09:31:37 PM
Liked what I saw. O-line looks like it should bounce back from an awful year last year. D line is innexperienced and could be a downfall on a very good defense. Offensively, it looks like the famed Scot-Gun should be back in buisness with Leister at the helm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 21, 2011, 10:02:06 PM
sflzman,

A few thoughts

Looks like Leister is a big boy. When he spoke at the end of the clip you could confuse him for a lineman.

Also, though it wasn't a great shot, it looked like the scrimmage was well attended. Was it mainly parents, or did people from the community come out and get a glimpse of Scot football?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 10:45:16 PM
Yeah leisters big but pretty quick still. He weighed in at 232 I think.

It was pretty well attended by parents but there were some community members there as well. I also know the local beat writer was there along with the radio guys that call our games on "the big m", 1520 wmlm haha

Did u happen to catch the clip of mason spinning his way into the endzone? It surprised me today at times he looked almost "graceful" as he hurdled a few tackles and spun out of a couple 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 22, 2011, 01:02:47 AM
I did notice that and yes he indeed looked graceful. It's great to see people out watching football.

Ill return the favor and give you insight into trines scrimmage if I can make it. I highly doubt our sports information department will put out any video because you know, thatd give away our game plan lol. So I will fill you in. I HIGHLY doubt anyone in the MIAA depends on message board chatter as a scouting tool.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 22, 2011, 08:48:13 AM
ThunderHead and TUAngola,

I will be there Thursday as well!  We will have to meet up.  As for what we might see on Thursday it is pretty evident that Blackport has the stronger arm and can make some of those deep throws down the field, but Hargraves is steps ahead with the operation of the offense as far as drops, footwork, exchanges with he backs, and so on.  No doubt with time Blackport could be there too but I hope you will be able to see for yourselves soon!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 22, 2011, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 22, 2011, 01:02:47 AM
I did notice that and yes he indeed looked graceful. It's great to see people out watching football.

Ill return the favor and give you insight into trines scrimmage if I can make it. I highly doubt our sports information department will put out any video because you know, thatd give away our game plan lol. So I will fill you in. I HIGHLY doubt anyone in the MIAA depends on message board chatter as a scouting tool.

To that point, I wonder how active coaches are at watching things that pop up on the board
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 22, 2011, 11:38:50 AM
I was PM'd this morning and it's been brought to my attention that I may have been a little harsh grading our offensive line, like here, for example

Quote from: sflzman on August 21, 2011, 09:31:37 PM
D line is innexperienced and could be a downfall on a very good defense.

Using the word could, I was leaving it open. To say our d-line is innexperienced, but they have a chance to be good, but it's yet to be seen in games.

There were times they were good, getting to Leister and stopping Mason in the backfield

But at times it was a bit inconsistant. There were missed tackles (by the defense as a whole but it started up near the line of scrimmage) on Mason's TD run. And also Leister had all day to throw at times.

My point is not to throw our dline under the bus, but to moreso say they are young, innexperienced, and can only go up as a unit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 22, 2011, 01:07:33 PM
Boya,

I would hope ryan is further along with his ability to run the offense, it's his 3rd year. However I'm sure if blackport is smart enough to survive at the D1 level for a season he probably is smart enough to pick up an offense over the course of more then a week. Simmrel is a very good coach and I'm sure he's capable of teaching the new guys the offense. Drops, footworks, exchanges and timimg are things that improve with development in a system. I'm sure blackport will develop just fine. If Ryan is holding his own then that's awesome. He's a good kid and it is his job to lose. I hope he makes the most of it.

What about rouasch and yoder? How did they look?

Ill give a break down after the scrimmage if I can get there on thursday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 22, 2011, 02:01:46 PM
Rousch looks like a solid QB.  again not the arm strength that Blackport has but it looked like they both were sharing reps at the #2 varsity spot.  He still throws a good ball.  I enjoyed watching Yoder run around in the backfield because he is extrememly athletic but it looks like they made the decision with their deep QB position to move Yoder over to CB.  Perhaps a move Yoder may or may not have been happy about making but overall more beneficial for the team!

A couple positions I was impressed by what I saw were the defensive back field and the tight end position. There are some young, good sized, athlitic tight ends that should help the offense do some different things with formations and disguising plays.

The defensive back field just looks very athletic and I think they will do a great job getting to balls and forcing turnovers
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 22, 2011, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 22, 2011, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 22, 2011, 01:02:47 AM
I did notice that and yes he indeed looked graceful. It's great to see people out watching football.

Ill return the favor and give you insight into trines scrimmage if I can make it. I highly doubt our sports information department will put out any video because you know, thatd give away our game plan lol. So I will fill you in. I HIGHLY doubt anyone in the MIAA depends on message board chatter as a scouting tool.

To that point, I wonder how active coaches are at watching things that pop up on the board

on these lines I know players and coaches look at the boards.  I dont know if it is for scouting or insider informations sake or just entertainments sake.  I am sure some of the players like seeing their teams get talked about and what people think about what they are doing.  But all of us are professional at things other than football so I hope they dont put too much stake in what we say.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 22, 2011, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 22, 2011, 08:48:13 AM
ThunderHead and TUAngola,

I will be there Thursday as well!  We will have to meet up.  As for what we might see on Thursday it is pretty evident that Blackport has the stronger arm and can make some of those deep throws down the field, but Hargraves is steps ahead with the operation of the offense as far as drops, footwork, exchanges with he backs, and so on.  No doubt with time Blackport could be there too but I hope you will be able to see for yourselves soon!

Hey Boya87 and ThunderHead, would be fun to connect at the scrimmage, maybe if other Trine posters here are planning on going we could meet up with them too.  Anyway, since the roster hasn't been posted yet, was wondering who "Blackport" is?  Haven't heard anything at all about the transfers or freshmen yet who may get a look on the varsity.  Guess I'll find out Thursday.

On another note, got a nice surprise tonight when I visited Trine's athletics page at trine.edu.  HOORAY for the updated website design.  Looks much, much better and is easier to navigate between pages, no more hitting the back button all the time.  Kudos to our new SID, Brian Alden. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 22, 2011, 06:26:17 PM
I could see players looking around at the board, as not much comes up in the way of D3 Football "chatter". Still if coaches pay attention to it for anything other then humor, I'd be surprised.

This all said, it's all a part of football. Even high school football seems to have quite a few "message boards" devoted to the game, and with that will come fan breakdowns, player breakdowns, and just general chatter and some friendly - or not so friendly - trash talk and opinions.

It's what makes football so much fun for us fans to follow, and keeps us mentally sane during the off season.  ;D

As for Blackport, if you google him you can find plenty. Nothing I'm telling you is unknown. I don't have much insider information, other then I heard early on he was considering going to Trine, that peaked my curiosity so I did some quick googleling.

He's 6'4" plus 200, was voted as one of four national sleepers in his recruiting class by the Elite 11 staff, choose to walk on at Michigan after some offers fell through due to staff's being replaced, eventually he transferred to Michigan State and was red-shirted by Coach Dantonio.

Below is a link to a video I found on google that rivals did after the elite 11 regional camp at Penn State, and ESPN ranked him as the 75th best national pro-style passer in his recruiting class.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/recruiting-football/AMP-State-College-Elite-11-highlights-30952;_ylt=AoMGuxJ.iCMjbeFWodpcXqUh7qB4

He took a year off and choose Trine over a few other schools including some MAC programs.

He was a good find, and brings plenty of talent to Angola, this said Roausch was also highly sought after as was Yoder, who turned down two Division 2 offers to attend Trine.

Can anyone knock off Hargrave? He's been in the system and has worked hard. I guess it's a race to the finish.  Below is a picture of Blackport at what I'm guess is the Alamo bowl.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 22, 2011, 07:00:10 PM
Hi Miaa,
Went on a biz trip to Columbus and stoped to check out Trine. Nice University! I was able to check out football practice and I know that you will all feel i'm bias but Rauch looks to be the most experienced of the QB"s. He just looks so much better. His mechanics are  amazing and I have to say he has the strongest arm. He chewed the D to pieces. Only 2 other QB's got snapps, I think it was Hargraves and The Blackwell guy. It looked like Hargraves did pretty good but appeared a little nervous.  If I was Rauch or Blackwell I would be getting to know that system very quickly. I did not see any other QB's. Rauch led the 2nd ranked team in Wi. I don't think the level of competition will affect him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 22, 2011, 07:29:57 PM
Wisehan,

I'd be shocked if that was the case, nothin against rouach but if a kid coming out of hs looks like two 20 year olds with experience at a high level, well then like I said, I'd be shocked.

It is nothing against rousch, but it would be tough for any qb to dominate at this point.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 22, 2011, 09:04:55 PM
I would not be too shocked. rauch is 18 but i argue that he has played at a higher level. The only team he lost to was Waunakee who is one of the best HS teams in the Nation. This might be hard for you to believe but Waunakee against UW Whitewater would be a blood bath. Waunakee being younger but bigger faster. Many of their players from last year are playing for the Badgers now. Not to brag but  Waunakee is one of the best in the nation, UW whitewater is the D3 champs, The Badgers went to the rose bowl, and the Packers are the World champs. Even the semi pro national champs are the Madison Mustangs. Football in Wisconsin is very tough!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 22, 2011, 09:28:51 PM
New Trine website. Football preview is even up

http://www.trine.edu/athletics
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1515 on August 22, 2011, 11:23:45 PM
Ya, it would be a blood bath... for waunakee! I don't care what you say, college football is much much different then high school ball period! It's a little bit different playing against 16,17,18 yr old kids to in college when your playing against grown men!don't mean to put ur comment down, but I'm not buying that!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 23, 2011, 12:23:40 AM
Like I said I'd be shocked, college football and high school football are faily different. And Wisconsin football is decent football but by no means do they set the bar in high school ball.

Regarding Trines web site, its a step up for sure but its still quite lacking, hopefully they continue to up grade it and take a page from OC's site, which I think sets the bar in the MIAA apparence wise.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 23, 2011, 06:55:43 AM
Nice to see all the "chatter" on the site.

I am no longer in the Midwest so I do not have any insight to MIAA teams, though I like to read this site to keep up on the MIAA.

Regarding the comments about do coachs read websites, HS, College or otherwise.

I am sure many coachs read websites, the vast majority pay little or no attention.
There was a comment rregarding that even the HS game has threads on the internet.

We had a very active series of Website that were dedicated to HS Sports in our area.
My fellow coachs and I would have a great time laughing at the "insiders" that would expound on our schools team.
There was some good general information that helped spread interest in teams, and I saw the value to the sites. The vast majority was either a HS kids talking trash, or a dad who is living reliving the glory days, through his son.
There are a few quality sites with rosters, game times, and some heated discussions about games, unfortuantely evetually the tone would go to the insults and trash talk.


I commeend this webiste as typically this is very knowledge and information / opinion based not alot of BS.

Saw Albion's new turf last week, looks good. I understand from a few friends that Albion looks pretty tough this year. Some offensive threats and depth at positions which is key to a winning season.


Have a good year folks I will drop by when I can.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 23, 2011, 08:32:58 AM
HEY!!!  Whats wrong with trying to relive your glory days?!?!  ;) 

I think the top of the conference is definitely getting stronger with Trine, Albion, and Alma.  Haven't heard much about the other A team but wouldn't be suprised if they put together a squad to compete in those top spots.  Lets all hope for a strong showing in the non-conference schedule from those top teams to hopefully earn the conference a little more respect!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: skunks_sidekick on August 23, 2011, 08:58:04 AM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 22, 2011, 09:04:55 PM
I would not be too shocked. rauch is 18 but i argue that he has played at a higher level. The only team he lost to was Waunakee who is one of the best HS teams in the Nation. This might be hard for you to believe but Waunakee against UW Whitewater would be a blood bath. Waunakee being younger but bigger faster. Many of their players from last year are playing for the Badgers now. Not to brag but  Waunakee is one of the best in the nation, UW whitewater is the D3 champs, The Badgers went to the rose bowl, and the Packers are the World champs. Even the semi pro national champs are the Madison Mustangs. Football in Wisconsin is very tough!!!!

::)!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 23, 2011, 09:02:44 AM
Holland Sentinel article about Hope's running back Shawn Jackson:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1153509077/Shawn-Jackson-poised-to-energize-Hope-football-ground-game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 23, 2011, 09:57:13 AM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 22, 2011, 09:04:55 PM
I would not be too shocked. rauch is 18 but i argue that he has played at a higher level. The only team he lost to was Waunakee who is one of the best HS teams in the Nation. This might be hard for you to believe but Waunakee against UW Whitewater would be a blood bath. Waunakee being younger but bigger faster. Many of their players from last year are playing for the Badgers now. Not to brag but  Waunakee is one of the best in the nation, UW whitewater is the D3 champs, The Badgers went to the rose bowl, and the Packers are the World champs. Even the semi pro national champs are the Madison Mustangs. Football in Wisconsin is very tough!!!!

No offense intended but the next time you're at WalMart buy yourself a clue. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
My remarks were not intended to piss any one off. And I am not saying that HS football is at the level of college. However I am approaching my 70's and have been a D3 fan for many years. Last year Waunakee was impossible to run against. When you study the match up you find that Waunakee and Whitewater would have been a very tough game. To say that because a team is college that they would kill all high school teams is just not right. Wisconsin has many D3 schools and some would have a very tough time with our top HS teams.
Note, This year Wisconsin will be fielding a much improved D3. Look for Oshkosh, Stevens Point, and Stout. These teams could upset UWW. I am a UWW fan but look at the match-ups.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 23, 2011, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
My remarks were not intended to piss any one off. And I am not saying that HS football is at the level of college. However I am approaching my 70's and have been a D3 fan for many years. Last year Waunakee was impossible to run against. When you study the match up you find that Waunakee and Whitewater would have been a very tough game. To say that because a team is college that they would kill all high school teams is just not right. Wisconsin has many D3 schools and some would have a very tough time with our top HS teams.
Note, This year Wisconsin will be fielding a much improved D3. Look for Oshkosh, Stevens Point, and Stout. These teams could upset UWW. I am a UWW fan but look at the match-ups.

Not a true statement. We're are talking about 17-18 year old kids, going up against 20-21 year olds. College kids are bigger, faster, stronger, more experienced, their game is more polished, etc. College kids have better developed bodies, mostly b/c of hours and hours of hitting the weight room AFTER high school. In High school these boys are barely past puberty. No way they can match the physical play of college players.

At the high school level, there's a hand full of kids that excel and go on to play college ball. At the college (even DIII) level, ALL THE PLAYERS excelled at high school.....hence them being on college roster. A college roster is basically an "all-star" high school team that's 4 years older and better.

Sorry, I think you're on an island by yourself on this debate.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on August 23, 2011, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
My remarks were not intended to piss any one off. And I am not saying that HS football is at the level of college. However I am approaching my 70's and have been a D3 fan for many years. Last year Waunakee was impossible to run against. When you study the match up you find that Waunakee and Whitewater would have been a very tough game. To say that because a team is college that they would kill all high school teams is just not right. Wisconsin has many D3 schools and some would have a very tough time with our top HS teams.
Note, This year Wisconsin will be fielding a much improved D3. Look for Oshkosh, Stevens Point, and Stout. These teams could upset UWW. I am a UWW fan but look at the match-ups.

Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 22, 2011, 09:04:55 PM
I would not be too shocked. rauch is 18 but i argue that he has played at a higher level. The only team he lost to was Waunakee who is one of the best HS teams in the Nation. This might be hard for you to believe but Waunakee against UW Whitewater would be a blood bath. Waunakee being younger but bigger faster. Many of their players from last year are playing for the Badgers now. Not to brag but  Waunakee is one of the best in the nation, UW whitewater is the D3 champs, The Badgers went to the rose bowl, and the Packers are the World champs. Even the semi pro national champs are the Madison Mustangs. Football in Wisconsin is very tough!!!!

Waunakee has a very nice program for a D2 (second largest division) in Wisconsin.  One of the best teams in the nation?  Not even close. Two players from last years team are on the Wisconsin roster, 1 on scholarship (Austin Maly) and I believe 1 walk-on RB (Derek Straus) - you call that many? Maly will probably redshirt - neither are even listed on the Badger depth chart (which came out today) for UW's first game. The fact that Mt. Horeb, Reedsburg, Baraboo or DeForest couldn't run against them suddenly makes them a challenger to college teams? If you are truly nearly 70, you should know better than that!!  ::)  ;)  Blood bath?  Definately!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 23, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
Also, same rules apply to DI football and the NFL.

I would take the worst NFL team over the best college football team every year. It would be a "blood bath".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 23, 2011, 11:53:21 AM
Wow a lot of new posters on the site these days great for comments and discussions

wisD3fan2  I have to disagree with your comments that a HS team would beat or make a very "tough" game for UW Whitewater.

UWW is typically very solid and has been a Championship Team multiple times.

I have coached 100's of HS players, whom have won State Championships and have moved on to to every level of Football beyond HS.

The size, speed, weight, strength alone would make this game non competitive.
Take into account UWW coaching and player profile, the vast majority were highly regarded players in HS as well.

We all can recount numerous highly regarded HS players whom do not make a dent in D3 lineup for 1-3 years, let alone become part of a powerhouse like UWW, so unless this HS team is full of 18-20 D1 players they really do not stand a chance.

I would put one of our undefeated top 5 in the country HS teams we have coached in a game against UWW and expect to get dominated.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 12:15:04 PM
In  Wisconsin the D2 teams are the wealthy suburban teams. The larger D1 schools are inner city schools. Although they have larger enrollment they field way less players. D2 had the top 5 ranked schools in the state last year. Waunakee brought out 87 juniors and seniors last year. D2 is wisconsin's toughest division by far. It has been this way for years. The Badgers have 8 waunakee players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 23, 2011, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
My remarks were not intended to piss any one off. And I am not saying that HS football is at the level of college. However I am approaching my 70's and have been a D3 fan for many years. Last year Waunakee was impossible to run against. When you study the match up you find that Waunakee and Whitewater would have been a very tough game. To say that because a team is college that they would kill all high school teams is just not right. Wisconsin has many D3 schools and some would have a very tough time with our top HS teams.
Note, This year Wisconsin will be fielding a much improved D3. Look for Oshkosh, Stevens Point, and Stout. These teams could upset UWW. I am a UWW fan but look at the match-ups.

No one is pissed off.  We just think your assessment is absurd.  But you're certainly entitled to believe what you will believe.  Just as the rest of us are.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 23, 2011, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 23, 2011, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
My remarks were not intended to piss any one off. And I am not saying that HS football is at the level of college. However I am approaching my 70's and have been a D3 fan for many years. Last year Waunakee was impossible to run against. When you study the match up you find that Waunakee and Whitewater would have been a very tough game. To say that because a team is college that they would kill all high school teams is just not right. Wisconsin has many D3 schools and some would have a very tough time with our top HS teams.
Note, This year Wisconsin will be fielding a much improved D3. Look for Oshkosh, Stevens Point, and Stout. These teams could upset UWW. I am a UWW fan but look at the match-ups.

No one is pissed off.  We just think your assessment is absurd.  But you're certainly entitled to believe what you will believe.  Just as the rest of us are.

That's the great thing about this country. You can have your opinion, no matter how wrong it is!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 23, 2011, 01:46:35 PM
wiseD3fan did say he's approaching his 70's...perhaps he is becoming senile ;)  only kidding D3fan!!

My freshman year at Trine (then Tri-State) was the last year before the Matt Land era.  We were so absolutely horrible that I found myself thinking "I wonder if we could even beat my high school team!!??"

now my high school is continually at the top of Indiana football and Tri-State was at the absolute bottom of DIII footabll.  But to even entertain the thought that a high school team (ANYWHERE in the nation) could compete with the nations BEST in DIII is pretty laughable!

I am confident that even with how bad Tri-State was at that time, we would still be able to outplay any high school team simply because of the age and experience difference.  The problem never was the athletes at Tri-State but a severe lack of vision, motivation, and effort from the coaching staff.

I understand you might have loyalties to this high school D3fan, but lets not let loyalties get in the way of our common sense
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 02:10:06 PM
Hi All,
I am a real rookie when i comes to the MIAA. I might be a little stupid. I here about the MIAA not getting respect because it is a weak conference. I say let them think that. We might get poor seating in the play0ffs but we should also have fresher legs and less injuries. I think the conference champ should be sitting in a good place post regular season. It would be awesome to see MIAA go all the way!
How do MIAA guys think about this?????
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 02:44:31 PM
My feelings about top HS teams competeing with D3 does not stop there. I know that Coach Leipold from D3 uww tries to get a game with many D2 teams each year. Noone will play him. Some D1 schools better be very careful with Duluth D2.
A fresh top D1 school against a beat up lower level NFL team could even be a mess.
Football just keeps getting better and better.  I do think that quality of HS and D3 football are rising the fastest. In todays market  people realize that a nice saturday afternoon in a nice small ball park for 20 bucks is just as fun as 80000 people for 200 bucks. and you can catch a great game in D3 football!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 23, 2011, 03:13:06 PM
Respect for sticking with your guns there D3fan!  I agree that the talent at the HS level seems to be growing pretty rapidly.  It seems like the athlets there now are far ahead of 17yr olds from years ago.

On the note of the conference not getting much respect, I dont think anyone will disagree with you there.  In fact, I dont think many MIAA people will argue that our league SHOULD get any more respect at this point.  fact is the league has been down and has been down for a long time.  I think what we all want to see is the league become stronger as a whole.  Have a better showing in the non-conference schedule, and then have a competitive season in the conference with 2 maybe 3 teams fighting for that playoff bearth. 

I think it is going to take that growth in non-conference performance, and that competition during the season, to really earn the MIAA representative a quality seed in the playoffs and prepare them for the competition of the playoffs. 

The last 2 years Trine has had strong showings in the playoffs.  Probably better than most people expected of them.  But to be honest Trine didnt see anything along the lines of playoff competition all season. Perhaps with more competitive games througout the season they can be better prepared for the tough battles in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 23, 2011, 03:24:43 PM
D3, I can't help but think your suffering from split-personality disorder ;)

First you say a high school team could beat a D3 power, then you state the MIAA is under valued from a strength standpoint. (I'm just joking with ya, kinda)

Anyway I've been lucky enough to have been involved with football at the high D1 level and the NFL level, and I can tell you this, take the highest college game you can get, like the NC game, and compare it to the two worst NFL teams, and the NFL game at its worst is 4 or 5 times faster then that NC college game.

There isn't a college team in the country that could compete in the NFL, for a number of reasons. Its also equally as laughable to to think that a high school team could compete with a college team. Now that's not to say a HS team wouldn't have a good half against a poor D3 college program, but over the course of 4 quarters it wouldn't be close. There would be to much seperation over distance.

Though I can appreciate your position I think you should reconsider your view point, college football at any level is just a different brand.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on August 23, 2011, 04:45:30 PM
Wisd3fan- a little + karma bandaid to help stop the bleeding. I give you credit for tenacity- but I'm not buying the HS vs DIII arguement either- I would think that any DIII school that is serious about contending for a conference title would be unbeatable by HS.

As for respect- although the conference may have been down it was nice to see the national respect given Trine last year. One excellent season and team seems to have revitalized many.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
Thanks all for the conversation. This is a really nice blog thing you have here. Nice people! I have just one more probably stupid question to ask. What is the reason or reasons that Trine is so heavily favored after loosing so many players? I'm just trying to figure out the conference. Huge Depth?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 24, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
Yes, I believe the reason is huge depth (and a great coaching staff/program).  Last year there were several games where the starters only played the first half.  They built up a comfortable lead and then 2nd/3rd string players finished the game.  It gave the 2nd/3rd string players a lot of reps during the season.  These players have now moved up to starting positions with the departure of the senior class.

Coach Land and staff have done a great job of recruiting and building a team over a few short years.  Plus, having a winning program also attracts a lot of quality players.

Again - just my opinion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 24, 2011, 08:45:43 AM
Not a stupid question at all.  One thing Coach Land always said was "the best predictor of future performance is past performance".  I think he was using this in terms of film study or something like that, but fact is this factors into peoples rankings and perceptions of what teams will be.

over the last couple years Trine has fairly easily made their way through the conference and that is easy to look at and say "well they will do it again".  However I think Albion and Alma will be vastly improved and the conference race might be tighter than we think.

But as anyone who has ever played football before knows...pre season rankings dont mean SH*T!  A lot will be known in another week when teams start taking the field!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 24, 2011, 09:49:55 AM
The energy, coaching, local support and Trine's investment in buildings, field, school in general has pumped a fire at Trine.

Good area for recruits, a regional draw of players, a Strong staff with success prior coming to the school.


I think Albion has some quality teams in 2008 and 2009 season finishing 2nd both years.
Strong defenses those years as did Adrian.  Albion's issue was / is lack of depth.
2009 Albion had so many key players out, the wins and losses were directly related to who could get on the field. I believe Trine was the best team in the league those years, and still would have won if Albion was healthy.  I think Boya's comments regarding depth and a system are evident and willl prove out this year. Young Players getting experience and depth with dominating play by starters allowing depth to be built.
Success builds success.

I hope to see more competition for Trine in the league this year, the MIAA needs to win some out of conference games, and have the league champion win some games in play-offs to build interest and support at all the schools.

Glad to see the schools spending monies on stadiums and campus improvements, the cost to attend is always an issue for D3 schools. Campus must be a draw to compete with DII and State schools for students not even referencing student -athletes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on August 24, 2011, 10:01:02 AM
Hey MIAA posters, I need some info about Adrian. I'm heading down for a game on September 17 for a 4:00 p.m. game with some other folks.

1) I need some ideas for an establishment for pre- and post-game refreshments.

2) I've visited the college and have seen the football field, but I don't remember that they have lights.(?)

3) What does Adrian have coming back. I understand that they are picked to be a top-tier team in the MIAA, but I'd like some specific info.

4) and most importantly, I NEED SOME IDEAS FOR AN ESTABLISHMENT FOR PRE- AND POST-GAME REFRESHMENTS.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 24, 2011, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: RFMichigan on August 24, 2011, 10:01:02 AM
Hey MIAA posters, I need some info about Adrian. I'm heading down for a game on September 17 for a 4:00 p.m. game with some other folks.

1) I need some ideas for an establishment for pre- and post-game refreshments.

2) I've visited the college and have seen the football field, but I don't remember that they have lights.(?)

3) What does Adrian have coming back. I understand that they are picked to be a top-tier team in the MIAA, but I'd like some specific info.

4) and most importantly, I NEED SOME IDEAS FOR AN ESTABLISHMENT FOR PRE- AND POST-GAME REFRESHMENTS.

Thanks in advance.

Best sports bar in town i've seen is Fricker's

720 South Main Street
Adrian, MI 49221-3722

A mile and a half away from the football field. Super easy to get there....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 24, 2011, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
Thanks all for the conversation. This is a really nice blog thing you have here. Nice people! I have just one more probably stupid question to ask. What is the reason or reasons that Trine is so heavily favored after loosing so many players? I'm just trying to figure out the conference. Huge Depth?

Even with Watt leaving, they have a great running back core returning, as well as some other key players that may not have had the attention that Eric had but were impact players in their own right.  IF there is any dropoff in the passing department, I think you may see the running game become more dominant.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 24, 2011, 12:39:22 PM
I think one reason Trine is so well respected is because of their "talent in space".

Schools that run the spread have to have vertical and horizontal threats from their WR core, along with a QB who can make a read and put the ball in spots. When you have those components a defense can not put 8, or rarely even 7, in the box without causing serious coverage flaws after the first 2.5 to 3 seconds of play post snap, so - assuming an opponent defends the air with 5, the potential air attack can open up the ground game in a gap responsible offensive system and if you have a shifty back or a scat back, and he can avoid first contact, he's probably getting to the second level with little effort.

Teams that are successful with the spread generally make the defense stack that second level mesh point somewhere around 5-8 yards behind the Line Of Scrimmage.

Because Trine has a talented core or WR's, and if Trine can find a Quarterback who can vertically and horizontally stretch the field with this arm and at times extend the play with his legs, then I think the Trine ground game can have a big year, both on the ground and in the passing game coming under the coverage, either to the flats or to the seams and sink zones, especially with an experienced guy like Biller coming back.

Trine will need to find a quarterback that does more then just "run" the offense, to be a team that competes for a National Championship they mush have a quarterback that can make the throws the system requires beyond the deep sink and hook zones. If they can't find that a good defensive coordinator will use an array of man coverage, or man and high zone coverage to give them the ability to contain the run game by focusing on the back, controlling the gaps and "fronting" shallow coverage, thus forcing Trine to throw the ball into open but deep holes and seams. If the quarterback floats the ball or lacks arm strength the safeties can re-cover and cover by playing "middle tree" two deep responsibilities.

So - in a round about way, I guess because Trine seems to have a few possible strong armed answers at Quarterback, a returning running back who's proven he can be successful, and a group of WR's who have had game experience, they're the logical choice to win the MIAA this season.

This all said, success is a fickle thing, sometimes when guys get complacent they can get beat, and though I'm sure Coach Land and Co will do everything they can to motivate guys to bring it each game, these are still 18-22 year old kids, and sometimes despite a coaches best effort, they simply "check out" during  a week against an opponent they think they will easily beat.

Then before you know it, it's 24-14 at the end of the 3rd, and one team smells an upset and the other teams starts playing "tight". Alas, that's why you play the game. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on August 24, 2011, 01:21:23 PM
Excellent answer Thunder- a little to detailed to be a lucky guess.
Plus k for you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on August 24, 2011, 01:26:05 PM
While I don't know much about what Trine has lost here's my thoughts:

If they can replace Watt (I seriously doubt if they'll get anyone as good as him, at least not right away) but if they can get a solid QB in there I think they'll do fine in their conference and could make some noise in the playoffs again. Just need to get that defense up!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 24, 2011, 03:57:49 PM
Hey Trine posters, the roster is now up on the athletics page on the website.  Didn't study it too much but 2 names that I did not see on the roster that I was expecting big contributions from this year were RB Jonathan Ayers and WR Westly Verner.  Anyone know what happened to them?  Ayers was very impressive as a freshman backup RB last year, big kid, ran hard.  Did he transfer to another school?  Verner had some quality minutes spelling the WR's and had nice hands.  Wasn't a big kid but ran solid routes.  Hey Boya, can you fill me in a little?

Other than the much talked about 3 new guys at QB I didn't recognize many of the new names.  Guess I will find out at the scimmage tomorrow night against St Francis if any of them push the upperclassmen for playing time.  I did see Kyle Monk from Churubusco, IN is on the team, great pick up.  Watched him in HS, he was a man playing among boys.  Was QB and DB and is now listed as DB on the roster.  Wouldn't be surprised if he pushes into the 2-deep roster.  Anyone esle I need to keep an eye on tomorrow night Boya?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 25, 2011, 08:35:16 AM
And let's not forget what happened at the scrimmage last year with Mario Brown.  A scrimmage can be a very dangerous thing... 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on August 25, 2011, 10:13:13 AM
Go win that softball championship Boya
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 25, 2011, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 25, 2011, 08:32:25 AM
Lastly tonight for the scrimmage I think you might be more suprised by who you dont see on the field rather than who you do see.  I think some injuries to the line-up are causing the staff to be a little more cautious to make sure their starters are healthy for week 1.  We will probably get a healthy dose of young guys tonight but will still be fun to watch.

I hope nothing too serious in the way of injuries.  I doubt we will be as deep as last year so can't afford to lose any starter for a significant length of time.  Is the scrimmage timed like a normal game or do both teams agree to run a certain number of plays, maybe situational type stuff like goal line and 2 minute drill?  I agree, no need to give a lot of minutes to the key guys that would risk injury, especially if St Francis is bigger and stronger and out to hurt us!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 25, 2011, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on August 25, 2011, 10:13:13 AM
Go win that softball championship Boya

I agree lol. Good luck!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 25, 2011, 01:24:52 PM
TUAngola,

The scrimmage will be set up with situationally.  Red Zone, Goal line, 2 minute drill, special teams, probably even have 7-7 and linemen drills at the beginning.

Diezel,

we will probably win.  We are the first place team in the league.  The only reason we lost last weeks game is because this one kid showed up who hadnt been there in awhile.  He is really really bad and he hurt our team big time!  Luckily I heard he wont be here tonight so I imagine we wont have any problems ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 25, 2011, 02:33:15 PM
Hey Pat - nice upgrades on the site!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2011, 03:28:49 PM
Thanks. I am still learning some of the new features but if nothing else, you might like the fact that it's much more efficient for mobile browser. (Click the WAP2 link at the bottom of a page to switch to it, if the site doesn't recognize your phone.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hazzben on August 25, 2011, 06:14:13 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 23, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
My remarks were not intended to piss any one off. And I am not saying that HS football is at the level of college. However I am approaching my 70's and have been a D3 fan for many years. Last year Waunakee was impossible to run against. When you study the match up you find that Waunakee and Whitewater would have been a very tough game. To say that because a team is college that they would kill all high school teams is just not right. Wisconsin has many D3 schools and some would have a very tough time with our top HS teams.
Note, This year Wisconsin will be fielding a much improved D3. Look for Oshkosh, Stevens Point, and Stout. These teams could upset UWW. I am a UWW fan but look at the match-ups.

Yeesh! I realize this comment is a few days old but I just can't not bite (a very satisfying double negative).

No doubt some of the guys playing DI would be stars at UWW, but countless starters would never see the travel squad in college as freshman. 'm sure Waunakee has some great HS players. Some of whom go on to be great college players. But in football, the maturation process that happens in college is just way too much.

I've seen countless HS All-Star (Shrine Bowl, etc.) players get buried on the depth charts of DIII schools when they arrived as freshman. Many ended up being very solid, some did not. But the competition, position by position that an elite HS team faces week in and week out simply has no comparison to college football. Great, Waunakee was impossible to run on...against HS competition. No HS in Wisconsin featured UWW's oline and RB, not to mention their offensive balance throwing the ball. Sure a given HS team had an Olineman or RB here and there that were better, but not as a complete offensive unit. And this is what would matter most.

The players are bigger, stronger and fast in college. The coaching, fundamentals and schemes are much more involved and complex.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 25, 2011, 07:29:04 PM
All this talk of Trine's scrimmage and I almost forgot to mention the Scots scrimmage North Park (IL) tomorrow! Unfortunately I won't be able to see it as I am playing in a 3 on 3 basketball tournament (Boya, what is with these rec sports getting in the way???  ;D ;D)

But anyways,
Go Scots!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 25, 2011, 08:08:18 PM
sflzman, we'll be going to the family reunion over Labor Day weekend (schedule permitting, perhaps I'll even pop in to the Hope @ IWU game, since I'll only be 40 miles away ;)), so all systems are 'Go' for Alma on the 10th. :)

Weather permitting, I'll be in an IWU 2010 Homecoming t-shirt; if too chilly, I'll still be in an IWU cap.  I'll also bring along my Scotland t-shirt (my older son got it on his trip to Scotland last year), but don't expect me to wear it to the game! ;D  I'm planning to stay at the Just In Time campground east of Ithaca (though I haven't reserved yet).

Any other posters I'm likely to see in Alma?  (Or for that matter, in Bloomington if I do make it to that game?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on August 26, 2011, 12:29:53 AM
Boya,

Man I would hate to be THAT guy! But back to football...Was anyone else surprised to see Trine in the top 25 with the guys that they lost from last year? We all talk about the MIAA not getting respect but is this a sign that the people that vote actually think Trine has a program that can compete with the top schools in the country?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on August 26, 2011, 12:41:57 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 26, 2011, 03:53:57 AM
Just got back from the Trine scrimmage, and like normal, I can't sleep after winding down from the drive.

So let me preference this with the following:

Saint Francis is a top notch NAIA program that has the ability to offer scholarship money to athletes.

Trine did not play a few guys that may contribute this year on offense, including WR Mario Brown (1), QB Casey Blackport (5), and a few other guys that I can't remember other then thinking that I was surprised they weren't playing.

With this all said and in an opinion that I'm sure won't be popular with my fellow Trine posters I think Trine absolutely got punched in the face tonight. Though the final period of the scrimmage was a full out full quarter of play that ended 0-0, Trine's offense failed to pick up a single first down, never drove into the red zone, and went backward on all four drives. While St. Francis was inside the red zone twice in it's first two series with it's starting and back up QB's before their own errors ended their drives.

Had someone kept score in an actual game throughout the night it would have been a route.

Props to Saint Francis, they came out fired up and looked like team that wanted to hit on defense, while Trine's defense looked timid and out of sorts all night long. While I realize that you have a lot of new personal and "roving" personal on Trine's defense this year, there was absolutely ZERO fire in them. The defensive line gave up yardage in chunks, and the secondary continually gave up deep routes down the seams, sidelines, and middle hook zones.

The two bright spots were Trine's Myron Puryear (5) and Caleb Nitz (7) who can both flat out play the corner position. They are both "shut down" type guys who can be left "on an island", and also stick someone in run support. Despite these two, who played well tonight, Saint Francis basically had their way with the defense when their 1 and 2's were in.

On offense, it was painful to watch compared to year's past. For a kid who's been in the system for a few years Ryan showed little poise running the system, and never threw the routes that showed the arm strength he may or may not have. What it lead to was an offense that was basically on life support. Rausch came in and did admirably, though he tends to be careless with the football and often inaccurate in his timing routes. Rausch can definitely extend the play with his legs, and at one point made three guys miss before throwing a 15 yard strike across the middle. Unfortunately plays like this were few and far for Trine's offense. Seasoned receivers like Cody Nash-Kniffen (18), and William Chrystal (89) were non-existant tonight and save for a few scampers around the end the ground game was simply unproductive between the ends.

While I wouldn't count Trine out of anything in the MIAA, I will say that tonight it looked like a JV team playing it's Varsity squad. St. Francis was better prepared, more intense, bigger, faster and stronger then Trine. Maybe Trine just had an off night, maybe they didn't want to "show their hand" or maybe they just aren't very good this year. Regardless, I hope they get it figured out. The fan support was great tonight, the pre-game atmosphere was electric, take away the performance and it was a great night be at Trine.

Just my take, thought I would post it for this who couldn't make it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 26, 2011, 08:00:31 AM
I am sure there were some valuable lessons learned, and hopefully between the scrimmage and the non-conference schedule, the team will work out any kinks before league play begins.  Winning the conference is critical if any MIAA team hopes to make the playoffs.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 26, 2011, 10:46:19 AM
I went to the scrimmage at Trine last night too.  Thunderhead you gave great insight in your post and your knowledge of the game is great.  Always love reading your thoughts from a coaching viewpoint.  I want to chime in a little from a "fan's perspective", one who never played or coached football at any level, but is just a football fan.

Atmosphere:  Trine fans I have to give you props.  For a scrimmage game to come out in droves like that, I was amazed. 

Pre game warmups:  Walking up to the stadium first thing I noticed, St Francis guys were HUGE.  And then watching them warm up, you could tell that they were very athletic.  They were very focused going thru their drills.  Like Thunderhead said, they were fired up, "woofing" it up.  Treated the practice/scrimmage more like a game than what Trine did.  Even wore their road uni's as opposed to Trine wearing practice gear.   

7 on 7:  St Francis rotated 2 QB's.  Both had strong, accurate arms, receivers/backs ran solid routes, overall pretty impressive.  Trine rotated Hargraves and Rauch (Blackport did not play).  St Francis DB's pretty much locked down our WR's.  Most of our positive gains from TE's and RB's.  I am not as critical on Hargraves as Thunderhead.  More on that later.

Kicking game:  Both squads practiced kickoffs/coverage.  Not much to gleen here.  In the timed scrimmage our punter had 2 very poor kicks, maybe just nerves?  This is one area that I was concerned about heading into this season, and it is still a concern after last night.

11 on 11 and Red Zone:  Again, St Francis is very impressive, they were much more polished.  Their RB, #1, boy he can fly when he gets in open space, very shifty.  Our DLine did not do much against the run.  St Francis pretty much got what they wanted in the run game.  LB's were ok, some nice hits.  DB's I thought were not consistent.  Like Thunderhead said I think they will be a strength on the defense, we are pretty athletic there.  But, St Francis still got open more often than we shut them down, but DLine is partly to blame as we didn't get much pressure on their QB.  St Francis first string QB can throw ropes, big arm and was very accurate.  Our offense moved the ball some, but overall was outplayed by St Francis defense.  Mario Brown did not play, hope he is ok as we desperately need someone to stretch the field.  JaVontae Hence played out wide, maybe because Brown wasn't there?  I don't think this is the best fit for him, he needs to be in the slot to get more touches.  JaVontae, other than one nice catch at the goal line, was pretty much shut out last night.  I thought Hargraves was a little better than Rauch and throws a better, tighter ball.  To be fair his WR's didn't get much seperation to get open and I commend Hargraves for not trying to force them in there.  Both QB's can scamble.  Rauch will be ok, just has to get used to the speed of opposing defenses.  He does have nice size and with some time in weight room will be a solid QB.  O-line was inconsistent, St Francis did got some pressure and we had a few holding calls. 

Timed 15:00 quarter.  Neither team scored.  St Francis moved the ball pretty well the first 2 series but fumbled both times, once into the end zone for a touchback.  Their next 2 series were stopped by interceptions.  The first one was a beautiful pick by safety Blake Combs.  The other time the St Francis QB got pressure from our D and tried to make a play and was an easy pick for our D.  Trine's possessions were...umm...ugly.  Probably a combination of St Francis D and poor execution from our O.  Our only first downs were maybe from QB scrambles or penalty.  Run game will be ok and is ahead of passing game.  Again our WR's didn't get open, but then again I am not sure our Offense will see a more athletic secondary than St Francis this year.

My take:  This won't be 2010 or 2009 or even 2008 for Trine.  It will be a work in progress.  That senior class we had last year was just...very special.  My biggest concerns in prior posts were DLine and Kicking game.  We just don't have many horses up front, so will have to use our speed to get the opposing offenses off the field.  Kicking game, we will see.  Hard to get any feedback from a scrimmage.  Newcomers?  Not much to report here.  Puryear at corner will be solid.  The Hess kid at TE made a few nice catches.  Lot of freshmen in 2 deep but didn't see many who will push the 1's.  I am not sure how this compares to the scimmage last year at St Francis; if we competed better last year or not.  St Francis is very good, there is a reason why they are always a Top 5 team in NAIA.  Just much more athletic and bigger than Trine (why are we so "vertically challenged"? :)).  But it is comparing apples to oranges.  They have kids on scholly and DIII doesn't.  I think Trine will be near the top of MIAA standings, but it will be a dogfight to get there.  So, let's get to WORK Thunder!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 26, 2011, 11:36:44 AM
Thanks to all you Trine people for the analysis/summaries regarding Trine's scrimmage against St. Francis.  I'm sure that as most of you have said, despite some of the seemingly "shortcomings" in the scrimmage, Trine will be right at the top in the race for their fourth consecutive MIAA title.  As we all know, it is just a scrimmage.  With regards to St. Francis, indeed, they have been among the top NAIA teams in the last decade or two.  As Trine used to be a scholarship NAIA school, you all are aware of the type of comeptition that NAIA schools have.  While some NAIA schools have a difficult time holding their own against DIII teams, some, like St. Francis and Georgetown (KY), Cumberland, KY, and, of course, perennial power Carroll, MT (current NAIA defending champions) would crush many DIII teams.

One observation (or rather opinion, I guess) is that I was surprised to hear your accounts about Trine being in their practice uniforms for the scrimmage.  With such a huge crowd turnout and support as well as playing another school, I am surprised that Trines coaching staff did not have them in game uniforms, even though these are, of course, controlled scrimmages.  IMO, if you are going to go to the effort of scheduling such a final pre-season ending scrimmage, it should be elevated more than as simple intra-squad scrimmage. Even the DI schools treat their spring scrimmages in a more game-like manner as most of you know and certainly ThunderHead can attest to!

Hope is one of the few remaining DIII schools that still has the traditional intra-squad scrimmage for various reasons.  They wear practice uniforms (albeit orange jerseys and navy blue jerseys for the opposing squads), has a huge turnout as far as a crowd, not just parents but many from the community as well, although it is held on the practice field and not in the stadium.  Anyway, those are just some of my random thoughts on this.  We have that final big intra-squad scrimmage at Hope tomorrow afternoon.  Up until last year, the scrimmage was always held at 10:00 AM on Sat and done by noon, however, the administration had the coaching staff move it to early afternoon to allow the freshman players to go to some required orientation actitivites, so if makes for a long(er) day.  I'll be interested in watching how our linemen pan out this year - several new big frosh linemen who could possible get some considerable playing time and/or step in to bigger roles.  Of course, we'll have to see how our QB and receivers are - they need to step that up back to where Hope has traditionally been in those categories 5 years ago and more.  As always ;D, my interest will also be in the secondary - we need to have those guys shore it up as that has been an "Achilles heel" for us the past 4-5 years, although they did somewhat better in the opening games of the season last year compared to the 2-3 years prior (i.e. in giving up the long bomb pass TD).

ThunderHead:  when do you head out for the west for your new job? Or are you on the way already?

Pat:  I, too, would like to add my compliments to you for the new website changes.  Very nice and as you have mentioned, you guys are always working on continual improvement for your program here.  Thanks.

Mr. Ypsi:  I hope you enjoy your family reunion. Normally, I would be with the team at the game at your IWU, however, unfortunately, I "drew the short stick" this time and have to work that weekend, so sadly, I'll miss it, but will be at the other games.  I hope you enjoy your time up at the Alma game and meeting sflzman, of course.  It would be great to join you guys, however, I will obviously be busy (hopefully not in that sense ;D ::) and no pun intended either way) with our home opener at Hope that same day.

Other tid-bits:  Olivet cancelled their JV game against Hope which had been scheduled for Labor Day due to their roster numbers being down it is my understanding.  Some of us were surprised that an actual game was scheduled for that day, although, I guess shouldn't be because that is also the first day of classes at Hope.  Hope is one of the few schools (actually, I don't know of any others) that has opening day classes on Labor Day.  When I played there "way back when", classes never started until the day after Labor Day and we only had a light practice on Labor Day afternoon, after having Sat evening, Sun and the AM of Monday off.

I suspect that Trine will not have much of a problem in their opening game against Manchester next Thurs, unless Manchester is so improved.

Anyway, great to see all the posting on here everyone.  This is perhaps the most we've ever had regardless of whether it was pre-season or in season. Thanks and keep it up!  It is great to hear about all the updates around the league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 26, 2011, 12:27:12 PM
TUAngola - great post. I would K+ that if I could.

As to why Trine is so "vertically challenged" as you say, I have no idea. I seen kids walking around campus before the game in Trine gear that were monsters, but apparently they're either freshman (and thus JV players) or they aren't playing football and may play other sports. Either way, you can't help but notice Trine is simply a very "vertically" challenged team up front on both sides of the football.

As far as Quarterbacks, I'm critical of Hargraves because he's suppose to be the guy who knows the system, and if that's the case I couldn't tell. He throws a tighter ball then Raush on the short to intermediate passes, but they're not "super tight" by any means, and on deeper routes both guys throw balls that are more like prayers then passes. Rausch should have been picked off twice but one guy just flat out dropped it, and the second pass was so under thrown that the WR basically had to stop and the corner ran into him, thus bailing them out with a a pass interference call. Late in the 15 minute period Cody Nash-Kniffen broke open down field and Hargraves severely under-threw him. Although he was on the run, this is the type of "system" throw that has to be made if Trine's going to find success this season.

I was also surprised to see how big Blackport looked just standing on the sidelines with the other QB's. He was taller and thicker then both guys without pads on. I'm not sure why he didn't play, but I'll be excited to see what he can bring to the table. Like Boya said he has the strongest arm on the team, some of the people I was sitting next to were talking about it and had said their kids had been telling them he has been playing better and better as he's learning the offense and has a cannon for an arm. I was disappointed not see him in action. With receivers not getting the separation in the passing game, his bigger arm down field would have been a big asset.

As for the WR's, I completely agree that Hence isn't in his element wide out, and I'm not sure why Mario Brown didn't play. Again, hopefully he is ready to go for the opener. TUAngola is correct, the receivers got little separation during the night, and their depth appears to be shallow. The difference from even the 1's to the 2's was significant talent wise.

The punting game for Trine is high school level or below at best. They really struggled, he hit a couple of them straight up for about net 20 and never buried the ball deep. He also was almost blocked on every attempt, so the line could have a great deal to do with that as well. The kicking game, which is a concern - wasn't worked on. Which I don't understand. As important as special teams play is, I was very surprised not to see the field goal units run out in the situation portion of the scrimmage.

D3: I am in Grand Rapids for training, this was a late move by corporate (which I wasn't happy about) but it did allow me to get back to Angola for the scrimmage, which aside from the performance, was nice. Why Trine was in their practice gear with a full house really surprised me too. The stadium was set up just like game day and it was a beautiful night for football (it even felt as cold as nice fall night).

My conclusion is that although I knew it would be somewhat of a rebuilding year for Trine, I didn't expect them to revert back quite that far. Only time will tell, maybe this was a wake up call, and guys are starting to figure out that you can't just "show up" anymore. Last year was exactly that, and this year you're going to get everyone's best efforts.

While I agree that because St Francis is a scholarship program they have an advantage, there is no excuse for the lack of fire that Trine had. When you can finally start smacking guys in a different color uniform it generally makes guys mouths water, while it did that for St Francis, it seemed Trine was more interested in dancing then hitting. If that doesn't change, it'll be a VERY long year.

This all said, it was still great to see football again. It was a long off season. Go Trine!!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 26, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 26, 2011, 12:27:12 PM
While I agree that because St Francis is a scholarship program they have an advantage, there is no excuse for the lack of fire that Trine had. When you can finally start smacking guys in a different color uniform it generally makes guys mouths water, while it did that for St Francis, it seemed Trine was more interested in dancing then hitting. If that doesn't change, it'll be a VERY long year.

You hit the nail on the head.  This is exactly the biggest thing that stood out to me last night.  The hitting.  St Francis did indeed smack us around and we didn't smack back.  Not sure why we didn't.  It just didn't seem like our guys were into it.  Maybe wearing the practice gear instead of uniforms had the guys treat it as just "another practice".  I don't know.

There was a play early on in the 7 on 7's that pointed this out.  We threw a short completion over the middle and the St Francis guy laid a nice hit on our guy.  He started woofin' about it and the Trine players did nothing.  In fact there were some fans in the stands where I was sitting started to woof back and the St Francis guy started to trade barbs back and forth with the fans.  Trine players on the sidelines turned around to the fans like "what are you doing?"  I think the Trine fans wanted to get on the field and do some smacking because it surely wasn't coming from the players who just were so lethargic.

It could be that Trine "didn't want to show their hand" like you said.  Maybe their goal was to get out of it "injury free", which they did.  I have no inside information as to what the coaches goals were last night, so I am not going to get too worked up until after the first game with Manchester.

Go TU!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 26, 2011, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 26, 2011, 11:36:44 AM
Other tid-bits:  Olivet cancelled their JV game against Hope which had been scheduled for Labor Day due to their roster numbers being down it is my understanding.  Some of us were surprised that an actual game was scheduled for that day, although, I guess shouldn't be because that is also the first day of classes at Hope.  Hope is one of the few schools (actually, I don't know of any others) that has opening day classes on Labor Day.  When I played there "way back when", classes never started until the day after Labor Day and we only had a light practice on Labor Day afternoon, after having Sat evening, Sun and the AM of Monday off.

Not to be too nit-picky (is that a word) - but Hope actually starts classes before Labor Day, and has for quite some time.  This year the first day of classes is Tuesday, August 30.  It is true that they do have classes on Labor Day. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 26, 2011, 01:31:34 PM
I am going to post very carefully right now as I am very upset about what I wittnessed from the scrimmage...

First of all there was some good, some bad, and some ugly.  It definitely wasnt all bad and at the very least the coaching staff is walking away from this scrimmage with some great film of some looming problems AND nobody got hurt!  for a preseason scrimmage you cant really ask for more than that!

My problem lies not in the execution of the X's and O's but in the desire, drive, and "fire" *(well put TU) in the players!  This is the first time these players had a chance to hit somebody other than their own teammates...HIT SOMEBODY!!!  I know that every team has their own identity and sometimes that chatter and tough guy stuff just isnt a part of the identity, but there needs to be some sort of emotional leader on the field both for offense and defense and I am yet to see who that person is!

Its fine that you want to be critical of Hargraves ThunderHead but I want to be more critical of the people around him.  When he doesnt have time to set his feet and throw, when he scrambles out of the pocket and starts to pull up at the sign of contact (because QB's were no contact) and #42 USF linebacker knocks his helmet off!  That is your quarterback!!!  Defend him!  Stand up for him!  Protect him!  I'm not pointing a finger at the O-Line, Im saying the offense needed some to take some pride and passion into what they were doing and not let another team push you around on your own field!!

I was a wider reciever when I was a player and if I ran a streak route all the way down the field and I saw this happen back by the line of scrimmage, you better believe I would have been busting my ass back 50 yards to get in #42's face and making sure he doesnt mess with my quarterback again!

TU and ThunderHead, if you heard the crazy fan stand up and yell at the offense to quick getting pushed around and to not take any of their bull crap...that was me!  sorry we didnt get to meet up!

But I hope some of the Trine players read this board and I hope they take it to heart!  This was a wake-up call and I hope the message was received!  Winning conference 3 years in a row doesnt do anything for Trine this year and it wont win Trine any games!  We are not entitled to anything and not a single team is going to get off the bus and roll over for us because of what we did in the past!  In fact it is the exact opposite.  we are going to get every teams BEST game because they want to knock off the top dog.  If this team doesnt find an identity it might just happen!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 26, 2011, 01:40:18 PM
TUAngola,

While I wouldn't get "worked up" over the scrimmage performance just yet, there is definitely some cause for concern. If a coaches goal is to play a lame-duck scrimmage so he doesn't show his hand, then you're better off not having a scrimmage with a different team. And I think the player you're speaking of for Saint Francis that laid the wood in the 7 v 7 was number 21. Indeed I loved his play, and Trine wanted NOTHING to do with him after that. (Like you said, they didn't hit back.)

As you mentioned, the Trine fans were fired up about that hit, much more so then the players, but one lady next to me said "can you believe 21 did that?" to which I replied "It's football, THAT's football, the big question is why aren't we doing it back."

I loved how Saint Francis played defense, they're going to do well. They looked like a football team, and at least night, we didn't, and that sucks.

by the way TUAngola, check your PM box, I sent you a message.

Also BOYA - I did you see stand up at tell the team to do something about it. About time someone did. The coaches didn't, the players didn't, and it's sad it took a former player to remind them of what the heck they are suppose to be. I don't disagree with you about the offensive line not helping Hargraves or Rausch, and yet their arms, or lack of them, are what allowed St. Francis to bring that heat and "front coverage" all night long. That equaled deer-in-the-headlights look for both guys. As for Ryan, well I woulda hit him to if I was on defense, he lowered his shoulder, he didn't slide. In my book, QB or not, you're open game when you're "attacking" a LB core and you lower your shoulder. (though he may have been trying to pull up, he should have slid, that's QB 101) From a defensive standpoint you don't let a QB run around early-on lowering his shoulder on you, it's just not gonna happen. That said, it was obvious no one on Trine's O-line had much of a problem with it, because they all kinda just walked back to the huddle.

Fire, Drive, Aggression - three things that weren't there last night for Trine. That's on the upper classman and the coaches. They looked unprepared and in over their heads. They did not in anyway look a program with any kind of swagger. They basically got punked out in front of a large home crowd. While it maybe critical - it's the truth.

Go Trine
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on August 26, 2011, 01:42:51 PM
This UWW fan is hoping the scrimmage is not indicative of who Trine will be this year.  I became a big fan of theirs (fans too) last year and am hoping it was the start of many years of excellent football. 

I'm not sure of what the entire day was for Trine yesterday, maybe that played a part.  When UWW scrimmaged last weekend, they did a couple hours of half pads with the other team in the morning (which is live hitting, no tackling) and then the full scrimmage in the afternoon. 

Maybe you had some tired legs and tired minds.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 26, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 26, 2011, 01:31:34 PM
I am going to post very carefully right now as I am very upset about what I wittnessed from the scrimmage...

First of all there was some good, some bad, and some ugly.  It definitely wasnt all bad and at the very least the coaching staff is walking away from this scrimmage with some great film of some looming problems AND nobody got hurt!  for a preseason scrimmage you cant really ask for more than that!

My problem lies not in the execution of the X's and O's but in the desire, drive, and "fire" *(well put TU) in the players!  This is the first time these players had a chance to hit somebody other than their own teammates...HIT SOMEBODY!!!  I know that every team has their own identity and sometimes that chatter and tough guy stuff just isnt a part of the identity, but there needs to be some sort of emotional leader on the field both for offense and defense and I am yet to see who that person is!

Its fine that you want to be critical of Hargraves ThunderHead but I want to be more critical of the people around him.  When he doesnt have time to set his feet and throw, when he scrambles out of the pocket and starts to pull up at the sign of contact (because QB's were no contact) and #42 USF linebacker knocks his helmet off!  That is your quarterback!!!  Defend him!  Stand up for him!  Protect him!  I'm not pointing a finger at the O-Line, Im saying the offense needed some to take some pride and passion into what they were doing and not let another team push you around on your own field!!

I was a wider reciever when I was a player and if I ran a streak route all the way down the field and I saw this happen back by the line of scrimmage, you better believe I would have been busting my ass back 50 yards to get in #42's face and making sure he doesnt mess with my quarterback again!

TU and ThunderHead, if you heard the crazy fan stand up and yell at the offense to quick getting pushed around and to not take any of their bull crap...that was me!  sorry we didnt get to meet up!

But I hope some of the Trine players read this board and I hope they take it to heart!  This was a wake-up call and I hope the message was received!  Winning conference 3 years in a row doesnt do anything for Trine this year and it wont win Trine any games!  We are not entitled to anything and not a single team is going to get off the bus and roll over for us because of what we did in the past!  In fact it is the exact opposite.  we are going to get every teams BEST game because they want to knock off the top dog.  If this team doesnt find an identity it might just happen!

When you lose a top senior class and expectations are very high for the next year, keeping the players focused on their immediate goal will be a big challenge for Trine, IMHO. They just have prepare for each game and not think about last year, easier said then done however! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 26, 2011, 01:56:36 PM
Like I said, the biggest positive from this scrimmage is that it gave the coaching staff some great film to look at and to see things that need improved.  I have full confidence in the staff and the players to fix the things they need to fix before week 1.  But like you said, its tough to lose so many seniors and I will be anxious to see who steps up in those leadership roles! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 26, 2011, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 15, 2011, 11:29:35 PM
Welcome to our MIAA board kazoodad.  Glad to have you and best wishes to your son for his senior season.  Although your son will miss out on the new facilities at Kazoo, at least he'll have the fantastic experience of playing in a big DI stadium when you guys play at Waldo this season.  I kind of wish Hope was playing you guys down there this year for that instead of up at our place - just for the different atmosphere!

Anyway, hopefully, our friend stinger, a long-time Kazoo poster here on our board will return and join you in providing us with the Kazoo faction and side of things this year.

The new facilities at K are a welcome addition and have been a sore spot for alumni athletes for many years. It's nice the Board came through for the student-athletes at K. Of course it didn't come without a fight from the neighborhood, but but when all said and done, it is a huge step for the College. Of course it will not solve the inherent recruiting challenges at K, but a huge step in the right direction.  Quite possibly, the challenge of recruiting young men helped a bit in the decision. 

Good luck to your son this fall, kazoodad. I had the privilege of attending school and working with Coach Zorbo . Absolutely a stand up man. See you at Homecoming.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 26, 2011, 02:40:20 PM
Boya and Thunderhead

Yes, I remember both those instances from last night.  And it was #21 on St Francis who had the big lick on our receiver.  I wouldn't have thought much of it but he had to start jack jawin about it, "look at me I'm a stud".  I was waiting for a scuffle from the Trine players...but nothing!  It sure got the fans fired up in my section.  Where is the leadership from the guys on the field?  You gotta defend your own.  We just trotted back to the huddle.  The fans were so waiting for Trine to lay the wood, and it may have happened only once all night. 

Boya...I do remember you!  I think it happend when Hargraves had his lid knocked off, yes?  Here comes this crazy dude running across the front of the stands screaming his head off.  I loved it!  I was waiting to see what our players reactions were...it was like...eh...whatever dude.   No passion whatsoever.

There needs to be leaders on the field this year.  I hope someone has the "gonads" to step up.  Maybe one of the senior O-Linemen...Badger? Hendricks?  Come on, O-Linemen, step it up.  On D...Bedwell, Braun, Kaase, Reinig...anyone...anyone?

I did notice one bright spot from last night.  Even though Blackport didn't play I noticed his presence on the sideline (and no it wasn't because our QB's were wearing red jerseys :D).  He was into it.  Looks like he yelled encouragement, patted guys on the back as they were coming off the field.  Talked to both Hargraves and Rauch.  Seems maybe he could be our leader we need??  Same with Mario, he was right there too.  That's it!!  Our 2 leaders did not play!!  :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 26, 2011, 02:54:28 PM
TUAngola

I noticed the Blackport and Williams presence as well on the sidelines. As a matter of fact, Blackport was always coming out and helmet patting the defense coming off the field, and high fiveing the lineman and wr's. He probably learned more then a little on leadership spending time under Kirk Cousins at MSU. Also, a few parents mentioned that Blackport and Mario Williams and a few other WR's get along really well, so they might have fed off each other, or either that, they're both obviously competitive guys, and probably didn't like watching their squad getting their faces kicked in, and although they felt helpless to do anything on the field, probably thought they could at least encourage guys. Either way, it was good to see.

I was really glad you let your feelings be known Boya, and although I agree with TUAngola - the teams just kinda looked at you like "whatever", I'm sure some took the message to heart. Well done!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 26, 2011, 03:14:52 PM
Mario Brown, not Williams.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 26, 2011, 03:22:20 PM
Id like to think some of the older guys still know me pretty well and respect what I have to say.  So I hope they dont take any of these posts as a negative put down but more of a cautionary warning to make sure we get our minds right!

I agree that Blackport showed a great amount of enthusiasm, excitement and care for the team and what they were doing on the field!  Mario has always been a joy to have on the field and a great positive energy!  I think the offense will look completely different with him healthy on the field. 

On defense I would like to see Renig and Shoemaker lead both with their play on the field and their attitudes.  One thing I loved seeing last night was Kyle Sherwood finally getting chippy with USF.  I am not a fan of fights or stupid penalties but at that point in the scrimmage I was just happy to see someone stand up and smack someone in the face!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 26, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
boya, forgot to ask, how did your softball team do last night? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 26, 2011, 04:32:37 PM
FDF:

I'm an idiot!  My bad; indeed Hope starts classes the week before LD.  Somehow, I have been getting the calender mixed up of recent as for some reason, I seem to be mixing up and/or trying to merge two weeks into one - if that makes any sense.  Must be that is the sign of my old age and memory lapse of having old memories appear/injected into modern times.  ::) :P (by that, I mean when I played, and for many years, the final scrimmage was always the Sat i.e. 2 days before LD, with LD off and no classes; however, that has not been the case for several years because of having the first game now being played on the Sat of Labor Day weekend).

Anyway, thanks for clarifying the actual schedule.  All that being said, I still do not like that Hope has classes on Labor Day.  I am aware of reasons why that was made policy, however, I do not agree with it.  I know that a good number of faculty as well as students do not like it either, but, of course, they/we have no say in such decisions.  I assume you will be at the scrimmage tomorrow.  There may be a chance of occasional showers, although it is projected to be warm also, yet perhaps not quite as humid/hot as it has been the last 2-3 years for the scrimmage.

stinger:  Great to have you back posting and thanks for the update on Kazoo's renovations.  I agree with you that it was too bad the surrounding neighborhood made such a "stink" about the project initially.  The truth is that their concerns were very bogus and unrealistic.  I'm sorry, however, that was just another example of some arrogant, "uppity, nose-in-air" attitudes that some people think they have to do.  The upgrades to that facility and area will be very nice and in no way will change or cause problems in logistics, noise, congestion, etc., etc., as some of those complainers erroneously alleged.  The very fact that the stadium, field(s), etc., have been there for decades, negates their arguments (and furthermore, the lights would not add or be of any more brightness in the area than those from Western Michgian and Waldo and those complexes right across the stree.  For crying out loud, the amount of time those lights would be on and the number of dates for such is negligable.  Those people could put up with that minute aspect in such instances, however, again, that in reality doesn't even apply because it really is a non-issue.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 26, 2011, 04:35:15 PM
Hey Raider68:

I hope you are doing well.  Are you going to take in a scrimmage at Mount or a nearby DIII school before the first games or are you waiting until opening weekend?  Also, you are creeping up there on posts and k+!  Great!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 26, 2011, 04:46:03 PM
d3db - Unfortunately I won't be at the scrimmage tomorrow - a church outing to Binder Park Zoo instead.   I look forward to hearing your comments on what you see and how the Dutchmen are progressing.

As for combining the weeks together - I 've been doing the same lately - probably beacuse I'm so anxious for the long weekend next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 26, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
More information and video from Ft Wayne TV news channel from last night's scimmage (not sure if this link will work).  If not, copy and paste.

http://www.wane.com/dpp/sports/college/wane-football-usf-vs-trine-scrimmage-august25?ref=scroller&categoryId=20101&status=true

Went to the USF athletics website to see if they had any news from the scimmage.  A couple paragraphs and photos.  QB #11 (1 of 2 guys who is battling for the starting job) is a transfer from Eastern Michigan and the #21 kid who had the big hit on the TU receiver is a transfer from Ball State.  DI guy felt big time knocking a DIII guy on his arse...:)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 26, 2011, 09:27:52 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 26, 2011, 01:31:34 PM
But I hope some of the Trine players read this board and I hope they take it to heart!  This was a wake-up call and I hope the message was received!  Winning conference 3 years in a row doesnt do anything for Trine this year and it wont win Trine any games!  We are not entitled to anything and not a single team is going to get off the bus and roll over for us because of what we did in the past!  In fact it is the exact opposite.  we are going to get every teams BEST game because they want to knock off the top dog.  If this team doesnt find an identity it might just happen!

I was not there, but based on what I read and comments from sources I would like to comment. 

First, well said BOYA87.  Previous teams played with a chip on their shoulder because of the lack of respect.  Hopefully this years team will get that same attitude because everyone is counting on them to be down and want to knock them off.  If I were a senior I would not want my last year to be a letdown.  I believe the talent is there, but they need to bring a "I'm gonna kick your $%#" attitude.  No one is going to lay down for them because of past success.  If anything, this years team has more to prove.  Sherwood does not take any crap and I love his on the field attitude.

I believe the coaches will be quick to nip poor attitude in the bud if that truly is going on.

I do not see the big deal about no jerseys being worn by Trine.  From what I recall neither team ever wore their game jerseys in past scrimmages.  Not sure why they would have expected otherwise this time.  Perhaps that is all tied in to St Francis coming in with a different attitude.  From what I recall Trine played as well or better than St Francis in previous meetings, and maybe St F was more determined to change that around.




   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 26, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
I was told alma looked good and won their timed quarter part of the scrimmage 21-7 against an apparently very solid looking north park team
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 27, 2011, 12:05:37 AM

Quote from: TUAngola on August 26, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
More information and video from Ft Wayne TV news channel from last night's scimmage (not sure if this link will work).  If not, copy and paste.

http://www.wane.com/dpp/sports/college/wane-football-usf-vs-trine-scrimmage-august25?ref=scroller&categoryId=20101&status=true

Went to the USF athletics website to see if they had any news from the scimmage.  A couple paragraphs and photos.  QB #11 (1 of 2 guys who is battling for the starting job) is a transfer from Eastern Michigan and the #21 kid who had the big hit on the TU receiver is a transfer from Ball State. DI guy felt big time knocking a DIII guy on his arse...:)

Now TUAngola - You can't blame the kid for being physical, it's football. I love a kid who gets jacked up about knocking the piss out of someone. I wouldn't want it any other way. It's not his fault he was playing a D3 team that looked like it didn't know they were playing tackle football. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 27, 2011, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 26, 2011, 04:35:15 PM
Hey Raider68:

I hope you are doing well.  Are you going to take in a scrimmage at Mount or a nearby DIII school before the first games or are you waiting until opening weekend?  Also, you are creeping up there on posts and k+!  Great!

formerd3db,

Hope all is well! I received my season tickets this week, the Raider 1st game is 9-10-11 against UW- Oshkosh at home. Have not heard about the first scrimmage as yet and wait until
first game. Are you going to see Hope, against IWU a tough one! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 28, 2011, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 26, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
I was told alma looked good and won their timed quarter part of the scrimmage 21-7 against an apparently very solid looking north park team

Great to hear!  I hope to see a much-improved Alma this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 28, 2011, 08:55:57 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on August 28, 2011, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 26, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
I was told alma looked good and won their timed quarter part of the scrimmage 21-7 against an apparently very solid looking north park team

Great to hear!  I hope to see a much-improved Alma this season.

We all sure hope so. I want the MIAA as a whole to be improved. Gives us much better football games to watch, right?  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on August 29, 2011, 07:39:58 AM
So true.  I am looking forward to seeing Leister at QB and the Scot-Gun back on track. 

It also sounds like Albion will be in a better position this year.  Should make for a more interesting MIAA race down the stretch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Always.A.Titan on August 29, 2011, 09:26:49 AM
Anyone coming to Bloomington this coming weekend?

First game on the new turf at Wilder Field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on August 29, 2011, 11:26:27 AM
All the poor reviews from Trine's scrimmage is exactly what I was afraid might happen.

But instead of focusing on how bad it was, I want to look at how the poor performance might end up being a positive for the 2011 Trine team.  This year's team is not the 2010 team, 2009 team, or the 2008 team.  Those teams had veteran leadership and a deep sense of humility. Especially the first two conference championship teams, they were part of some bad teams and went through the process of building a poor program into a championship program.  Those players went through the fire and came out leaders.  The seniors on this team have only lost one regular season game in their careers.  They haven't gone through much adversity.  This is truly their first bump in the road, and I am very curious how they will respond.  I don't want to be too harsh on the apparent lack of leadership, fire and desire because it sounds like some of the emotional leaders were on the sideline - namely Blackport and Mario Brown. 

Even though the players weren't around for the rebuilding process, the coaching staff was.  I know firsthand that Trine's coaching staff is full of excellent motivators.  This poor showing at the scrimmage should give them all the ammunition they need to get this team where they need to be mentally and physically in order to be ready to compete for the title in the, what sounds like, a much more competitive MIAA.

For this Trine team, who is filled with a lot of young, inexperienced, but very talented players, maybe a little humility is just what they need.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on August 29, 2011, 12:51:49 PM
All of us here are fans of the great sport that is football, for everything it stands for and how it brings the best out of people, in competition, teamwork and respect.  Many of us here are fans and followers of college and professional football alike, and the Detroit Lions community lost a wonderful writer and contributor today as Lions beat writer Tom "Killer" Kowalski passed away this morning.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/08/tom_kowalski_detroit_lions_die.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on August 29, 2011, 01:40:57 PM
I agree completely with you BoredatWork,

Every team needs something, anything to rally around or motivate them otherwise complacency sets in and you relish the past while neglecting the future. Maybe the head shot to the QB and the call out by Boya can be that thing.

I wasn't concerned with practice gear/game jersey selection, score, field position, time of possession or any of that. If there is anything I have learned over the last four years is that this Trine coaching staff will have an excellent game plan, the players will be ready to execute it, and they will do so during a game (not scrimmage) with a high level of intensity and fire.  I'm sure the Thunder players were told not to retaliate or act as the clown from St. Francis did. That being said I would have been the first off the bench protecting my QB, and probably tossed out out of the scrimmage, and had a a couple of weeks of 6am's.

I also, agree with you on Killer Kowalski, may he rest in peace. Hwo are we going to get our Lion's news from now?



Quote from: BoredatWork56 on August 29, 2011, 11:26:27 AM
All the poor reviews from Trine's scrimmage is exactly what I was afraid might happen.

But instead of focusing on how bad it was, I want to look at how the poor performance might end up being a positive for the 2011 Trine team.  This year's team is not the 2010 team, 2009 team, or the 2008 team.  Those teams had veteran leadership and a deep sense of humility. Especially the first two conference championship teams, they were part of some bad teams and went through the process of building a poor program into a championship program.  Those players went through the fire and came out leaders.  The seniors on this team have only lost one regular season game in their careers.  They haven't gone through much adversity.  This is truly their first bump in the road, and I am very curious how they will respond.  I don't want to be too harsh on the apparent lack of leadership, fire and desire because it sounds like some of the emotional leaders were on the sideline - namely Blackport and Mario Brown. 

Even though the players weren't around for the rebuilding process, the coaching staff was.  I know firsthand that Trine's coaching staff is full of excellent motivators.  This poor showing at the scrimmage should give them all the ammunition they need to get this team where they need to be mentally and physically in order to be ready to compete for the title in the, what sounds like, a much more competitive MIAA.

For this Trine team, who is filled with a lot of young, inexperienced, but very talented players, maybe a little humility is just what they need.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 29, 2011, 03:43:50 PM
On the note of the Lions...I am not a fan but am excited to see what they can do this season!  They could get over the hump into a winning season with this team.  Should make for some annoying trash talk from my brother-n-law!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 29, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Mr Ypsi,

Hope the numbers pick up for the MIAA pickem's this fall! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 29, 2011, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on August 29, 2011, 12:51:49 PM
All of us here are fans of the great sport that is football, for everything it stands for and how it brings the best out of people, in competition, teamwork and respect.  Many of us here are fans and followers of college and professional football alike, and the Detroit Lions community lost a wonderful writer and contributor today as Lions beat writer Tom "Killer" Kowalski passed away this morning.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/08/tom_kowalski_detroit_lions_die.html

Amen...I listened to him on the radio on my way home from work every day.  They are doing a tribute for him on WDFN right now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 29, 2011, 05:37:48 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 29, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Mr Ypsi,

Hope the numbers pick up for the MIAA pickem's this fall! ;D

With three days still to go for pickers to join us, we already have 14 entries! ;D

Last year only 13 ever participated, and only 10 were regulars.

Go ahead, folks - make me work on those tallies!  Let's hit 20 or more!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on August 29, 2011, 07:16:47 PM
Does anybody know how the Alma/North Park scrimmage went? My son pretty seriously considered NP before deciding on Hope...just wondered how they were. Hope has them on their schedule to start next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
sflzman had a briefest-of-brief report on the previous page. Not much to go on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 29, 2011, 10:52:58 PM
I hope everyone is well, and it's great to see all the posters and pickem's.

It's great to get back into the "gruel" of the season.  8-)

How about a roll call for this, the first weekend of football. Where you gonna be? ;D

me

Thursday: Trine vs Manchester OR Central Michigan vs South Carolina State - both prime time
Friday: Michigan State VS Youngstown State - prime time
Saturday: Michigan VS Western Michigan - 3:30pm
Sunday: SLEEP

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 29, 2011, 11:03:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
sflzman had a briefest-of-brief report on the previous page. Not much to go on.

Yes unfortuantely I was unable to attend due to a rec 3 on 3 tourney basketball that I was in but I was told we (alma) won the timed part of the scrimmage 21-7
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on August 29, 2011, 11:30:31 PM
They updated Albion's roster today. A couple of notes. Neither of Albion's supposedly returning all conference tackles were listed, they being Shane Jessiel and Josh Phillips. Starting two green thumbs at T might seriously impact Albion's ability to run the ball. Could put a serious cap on Albion's ceiling.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 30, 2011, 01:51:10 AM
Out of the five of us Wisconsin guys only our buddy Magic made the Trine scrimmage. He was a champ and got some video for the rest of us to watch. We do not see it as what is being written on the board. We think that Trine  had a very successful night. People need to give this team a break. The coaching staff down there is  very impressive. This team is retooling. They wore there practice uniforms because thats what they were doing. They are working on their game and not thinking about getting cocky with St Frances. With the coaching they have down there, this team is going to be very good.
Magic talked to some players afterward and got the real scoops.
Mario strained a knee and will be back soon if not already.
The guys feel that Hargraves is doing much better this year. He has played very little competitive football in two years. He will have to work on his poise. His passing has been pretty good.
They like Rauch and said during camp all the QB's were doing their max bench press. Hargraves put up the most at 230 and then Rauch walked in and pressed 280. A D1 guy but does not know the plays and scheme as well as Hargraves. Coach Simrel is one of the best around and he will get Rauch straightened out. All five of us are x-QB's and thought both QB's did pretty good considering. We saw very little seperation.
The D likewise is finding there way. Did anyone see the guy blocking Brock   HUGE.
Everyone can be sure that this coaching staff is really working these guys and they will be ready.
Oh and Magic asked about Blackport and heard that because he has played very little football in two years he has a long way to go. He was also told he is ineligable and another kid said he has a problem with a coach.
Trine will be a team that will improve as the year goes on. They are young but have some great senior leaders and a ton of talent.  I wish I could have been there in person. Perhaps I will make it to their first home game!!!!
Go Thunder!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 30, 2011, 08:18:55 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on August 29, 2011, 10:52:58 PM
I hope everyone is well, and it's great to see all the posters and pickem's.

It's great to get back into the "gruel" of the season.  8-)

How about a roll call for this, the first weekend of football. Where you gonna be? ;D

me

Thursday: Trine vs Manchester OR Central Michigan vs South Carolina State - both prime time
Friday: Michigan State VS Youngstown State - prime time
Saturday: Michigan VS Western Michigan - 3:30pm
Sunday: SLEEP

I like the role call idea...

Thursday- Trine @ Manchester
Friday- heading way up north in MI for some kayaking, casinos and other shenanigans
Saturday- on my ass in front of a TV for hours on end!

Are you ready for some football!?!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 30, 2011, 08:49:28 AM
Tough loss for the Dutchmen:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1688628706/Hope-football-loses-co-captain-Ben-VanAusdall-to-ACL-injury
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 30, 2011, 09:52:31 AM
I hate to hear about any injury - I feel bad for this young man.  I always say a little prayer before each game to protect the players from injuries on both sides of the ball.  Winning isn't nearly as fun if you're not playing against the other team's best.  I hope VanAusdall recovers quickly.

As far as the role call goes...

Thursday:  Trine @ Manchester (GO THUNDER!!)
Friday:  Heading North to the cottage for the weekend with my family and 6 guests. 
Saturday - Monday:  Sitting on the boat, swimming and enjoying all of the company (assuming the weather holds out)!

I hope everyone has a safe Labor Day weekend!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 30, 2011, 10:59:05 AM
For the roll call:

Fri & Sat: Heading to Ohio to watch Hope play some soccer and some volleyball (just worked better for us than a trip to IWU for football).  iPhone will be busy keeping track of all the football games.

Sun: Attending a wedding

Mon: Vegitative state
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on August 30, 2011, 01:51:16 PM
fri : ne mich to det.  sat: kzoo@ bluffton sun: det to alma to see daughter(soph. in marching band), then back home. mon:sleep
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 30, 2011, 02:07:41 PM
WisD3fan2: your information is inaccurate on so many levels. You continually contradict yourself post after post, which doesn't really bother me because that's on you. However when you post stuff about things you have no direct platform to speak on, it is frusterating to read. I know a few of Trines coaches, and 80% of your post was complete BS.

So next time I think you should probably use a little more common sense before you post about what a "friend heard from a guy" when you're talking about specific players, because like I said, on several of your "points" your incrediably incorrect.

There is nothing wrong with you supporting Dylan Raush, but I shouldn't have to remind a "former QB who's now 70" that people are not idiots and its not to hard for guys like Boya, LetitRain, and others with one-step ties to Trine and the ability to get first hand information, to check your merrit as it relates to specific players.

As for everything else, great job with the role call, safe travels to all those hitting the road Thursday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 30, 2011, 02:59:24 PM
Well might as well add my agenda, tho it will be less "fun" than some of the others.....

Thursday: Alma Soccer against Holy Cross, then to the high school home opener
Friday: No plans, hopefully find some game on TV
Saturday: Stickin close to the computer and TV for my weekly dose of football
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 30, 2011, 03:46:06 PM
Thunderhead, Magic was a 7 year NFL QB and is not inacurate. I just talked to him on the phone and read to him my post. He said that all of it is true and that you must have an agenda. I did not say anything supportive of Rauch. We were actually surprised at his bench because we know for a fact that he presses over 300. (He is probably not benching much) I was supportive of Hargraves because we don't think he did bad at all. I will do as Magic suggest STOP POSTING!!!  If you want reality ask the players! Magic says that the players seem to have a great deal of respect in their coaches and feels they will do very well for such a young team.
I will check in post season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 30, 2011, 03:48:50 PM
Bad form Thunderhead!

This is a discussion board, not a fact board, or a "my word is law" board.  Its a chance for us all to share our opinions on football, our teams, and sometimes things that are far outside either of those.  This board has always had a mutual respect for eachother and their posts and I am afraid your most recent post has broken that. 

I have no problem disagreeing with what someone has to say about a player or a team but do so respectfully and without degradation of the other poster. 

The truth is, there is no "Facts" in football.  ESPN analysts get paid tons of money to talk about the sport but they are wrong just as often as a weatherman!

Thank you for your opinions WisD3fan.  I think you are completely right about this coaching staff and their ability to motivate players and to get everything that they can out of them!  Hopefully we will have a good measure of that after Thursdays game @ Manchester!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 30, 2011, 03:53:47 PM
I wish I could give you karma, BOYA - I couldn't have said that better myself. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 30, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
Boya that's a really interesting position you've got based on the private messages you've sent me.

If I was out of line then I apologize, I now definitly feel much more free to post on what I hear, so I appreciate that "all clear".

And also I have no doubts Coach Land and Co will do fine with this group. My faith hasn't waivered in this coaching staff, you don't go 29-1 without great game planning.
;)

Anyway, happy travels.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 30, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 30, 2011, 03:53:47 PM
I wish I could give you karma, BOYA - I couldn't have said that better myself.

Let's mark it down that my +K was for LetitRain!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 30, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 30, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 30, 2011, 03:53:47 PM
I wish I could give you karma, BOYA - I couldn't have said that better myself.

Let's mark it down that my +K was for LetitRain!  ;D

I second that, +k ! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 30, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: kzoodad on August 30, 2011, 01:51:16 PM
fri : ne mich to det.  sat: kzoo@ bluffton sun: det to alma to see daughter(soph. in marching band), then back home. mon:sleep

Although a Trine fan, I did purchase a Bluffton t-shirt at their stadium when Trine played there.  It had a pretty cool Beaver logo, and who doesn't love the beaver?  In hindsight, I wish I had started collecting t-shirts from all the places Trine visited.  Would be cool to hang them in the sports bar / man cave I don't have but want.   :)    Good luck K-zoo and ALL MIAA teams!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 30, 2011, 06:19:38 PM
Roll call:  Watching as much football as humanly possible this weekend!!

Thurs night:  Either attend Trine/Manchester game or listen to it on WEAX Trine U radio.  Not sure if I can swing getting off work early to actually go.  Would be my first Trine road trip. Roll call:  How many Trine posters here are actually going down to the game this Thurs?
Friday: Work, probably attend HS football game that night.
Saturday:  My games of interest Penn St/Indiana St (my alma mater) at noon on B10 network.  Go Sycamores....shock the world!!  Ball State/Indiana at the "Luc" in Indy, 7:00 on...ESPN3 ugh!  Other games I want to catch at least a part of:  Georgia/Boise St and LSU/Oregon.
Sunday:  Family time
Monday:  Work around the house and maybe catch a nap!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 30, 2011, 07:11:57 PM
TUA - I might be there, it depends on my work schedule as normal.  ???

I've been looking forward to seeing Central Michigan play for a while and this maybe the only time I'll get to watch them in person this season, and they're a little closer then Manchester. Aside from that a few old buddies I haven't seen in a while are throwing a tailgater at CMU before kick-off and they know how to tailgate if you know what I mean. It's like an RV jamboree in their "tailgating town", where the grills are big, the food is great, and the adult beverages are bountiful. That's hard to turn down.

As for Saturday, even though I'll be in Ann Arbor, the Georgia/Boise State and LSU/Oregon are games I'll be keeping a close eye on. I think BS and Oregon are both winners, but it will be interesting to see how Georgia answers the underdog roll, and how LSU survives minus their starter.

There is a lot of good stuff on this opening week of football. Plus a Monday to recover.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 31, 2011, 07:27:01 AM
The forecast is shaping up for warm, humid and chances of Thundershowers for the Saturday games around the Midwest.





Total shot in the dark, but does anyone know if Adrian is anticipating troubles getting to Husson, Maine for their game Friday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on August 31, 2011, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 30, 2011, 06:19:38 PM
Roll call:  How many Trine posters here are actually going down to the game this Thurs?

I'll be there.  My son is no longer playing but I have the opportunity to go and I want to see the team kickoff their 2011 season.

My son played at Trine for four (4) years and we attended every single game, regular season or playoff, except one (when we played Franklin College when my son was a freshman).  That's 44 games in 4 years all over the place (I think River Falls, WI was the longest trip).  And before that it was high school, and middle school, and youth football...  Whew!  I am going to have some severe withdrawel this fall!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on August 31, 2011, 09:16:42 AM
Let It Rain (and Uncle Rico)

It takes a serious commitment to be a football parent.  My parents also made all of the road trips in my 4 years playing for Trine (3 of them as Tri-State).  By my count, it was 41 games plus all the JV games for the first couple years. I remember some of those JV games my freshman year where there might have been less than 300 people at the games - all of them dedicated parents.

I understand how football withdrawls will wreck havoc on you this fall... this will be my third season without suiting up and i still get chills thinking tomorrow is game day.  I know tomorrow will be a surreal experience for your son.  Its weird not strapping on those pads after playing every fall for a decade.

My complements to you, and to all those dedicated parents and fans out there that will make those trips every year.  Here's to a season of safe travels and good football!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 31, 2011, 09:31:35 AM
Let it Rain

I feel for you, I am just getting out my withdrawl symptoms :'(.
This is the 2nd year for me of not being "associated" with Football on some level.
I was blessed with playing HS, and College, coaching starting in the early 70's.
Watching my 2 son's play HS, college ball. Coaching and following my daughters National teams.

I "retired" a few years ago to address family issues, and moved away from Michigan.

While I am very busy with family issues, I still miss FB, the locals find me hanging around the local HS/College games and must think who is the old codger/stalker  ;D

Continue to support your teams, the comparisons you can make and history you bring will be appreciated by new fans, buddies you will meet. You really do have to find something to eat up the time and mental place we apply to football as a player/parent/coach. I still am surprised when I look back at it just how much time and energy I put into this. I would not change a thing, the sudden change is the killer in this.

Finally College Football starts, HS has started and I saw a couple big games this past weekend back in Michigan.

Holiday weekend plans: Friday night heading to Michigan stopping in Ohio to see a game. Saturday UofM WSU, Sunday/Monday hanging with family ( stinking up the Golf Course, paying off my skins loses   ::) ) of course we will have a few FB games on TV.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 31, 2011, 09:33:07 AM
Boredatwork, Let it Rain

+1 Karma for your withdrawl symptoms.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on August 31, 2011, 10:27:27 AM
Here is a link to a Trine season preview from WANE TV in Ft. Wayne

http://www.wane.com/dpp/sports/college/wane-football-trine-season-preview-august31

And thanks to my wife for sending that my way, and in general for putting up with my football addiction  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2011, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: LetItRain on August 31, 2011, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 30, 2011, 06:19:38 PM
Roll call:  How many Trine posters here are actually going down to the game this Thurs?

I'll be there.  My son is no longer playing but I have the opportunity to go and I want to see the team kickoff their 2011 season.

My son played at Trine for four (4) years and we attended every single game, regular season or playoff, except one (when we played Franklin College when my son was a freshman).  That's 44 games in 4 years all over the place (I think River Falls, WI was the longest trip).  And before that it was high school, and middle school, and youth football...  Whew!  I am going to have some severe withdrawel this fall!!!

Glad you're still following! Division III needs not just its alumni to remain fans but people connected to the alumni as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 31, 2011, 12:44:03 PM
Pre Season D3 Fan Poll is up. Jay's still looking for voters. If interested, PM "bleedpurple"

1. UW-Whitewater (12)    348
2. Mount Union (2)           338
3. North Central                314
4. Wesley                          309
5. St. Thomas                   286
6. UMHB                         280
7. Bethel                          249
8. Wheaton                      242
9 Linfield                         238
10.. Coe                           200
11. Ohio Northern           184
12. Wartburg                    167
13. Montclair State          153
14. Thomas More            146
15. Cortland State            138
16. Hardin-Simmons       134
17. Cal Lutheran              130
18. Alfred                          92
19. Trine                            81
20. Wabash                        80
21. Wittenberg                   77
22. UW-Stevens Point       62
23. St. Johns                      60
24. Rowan                         47
25. Franklin                       34

Also Receiving Votes: Delaware Valley 29, Baldwin Wallace 26, Central 20, Willamette 16, Elmhurst 13, UW- Oshkosh 11, Salisbury 11,  Hampden-Sydney 9, W
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 31, 2011, 12:54:51 PM
I will not be able to attend Trine's game tomorrow.  Work keeps on getting in the way of my personal life.  I admit I am jelous of all the football parents who still have kids playing.  You don't appreciate it until it is gone, and then you are left wondering how did time fly by so fast.  I sometimes hear players complaining about practice, workouts, etc... and I just smile inside and think that years from now they will miss this greatly.

I hear that the weather forecast at Manchester calls for THUNDER starting at game time.    ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 31, 2011, 02:31:48 PM
Just reviewed the MIAA schedule in-depth planning a few games to see.

Cool Senior Day game for Kazoo.

Oct. 28th 7PM game at Western Michigan University stadium.

Should be nice for Kazoo Family and players.
Senior night under the lights in a big stadium.

I also noted Kazoo lost 2 quality players that have transferred to in-state higher level NCAA Universities and will play. Tough loss of good talent.

The stadium progess is moving along well, looking at the pictures on Kazoo website.
I expect Kazoo to be moving up in the MIAA in the near future, great education, improving field, young aggressive staff.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on August 31, 2011, 07:31:53 PM
I got out of coaching football due to the demands and time involved, which took almost every waking hour 340 days a year. Though sometimes I miss the guys I coached, NOTHING beats watching my 9 year old son play ball. Regardless of the sport. I shutter at the day when he's officially "all done" with organized sports, heck I'll pry show up at rec league games.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 31, 2011, 08:22:05 PM
Thanks for the video link of Channel 15 Trine football preview, BoredatWork56.  I always enjoy listening to Coach Land.  Very knowledgable of the game and more importantly shows great love for kids themselves, how to better themselves as football players and as young men.  He doesn't seem to be too worried about the team so that makes me feel a lot better after what I saw last week.  Since they weren't very sharp in the scrimmage against SFU it will give them motivation for the opening game tomorrow night, both for the coaches and players.

Unfortunately I won't be able to swing the trip to Manchester though, just like Uncle Rico work gets in the way.  The good news is that my Saturday's will be more open this year and I should be able to attend some MIAA road games.  Will be cheering Trine on via radio this time.  Go Thunder!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 31, 2011, 09:57:56 PM
I am now reserved for a spot at the Just In Time campround (east of Ithaca) for the IWU @ Alma game.  I'll arrive late Friday afternoon, and leave sometime Sunday.  I have no idea about tailgating at Alma, but 'tailgating' at my site Friday (to 'trash-talk') and Saturday (to commiserate/gloat) is open to all! ;D  (I don't know my site number, so ask at the office for Chuck Bonney.)

At the game, I will be wearing my IWU 2010 Homecoming t-shirt and IWU cap.  I will also be bringing my 'Scotland' t-shirt, but will NOT wear it to the game! 8-)  Temperatures permitting, once the 'skeeters come out, I'll be sporting my new "Why didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes?" sweatshirt. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 31, 2011, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: sac on August 31, 2011, 07:27:01 AM
The forecast is shaping up for warm, humid and chances of Thundershowers for the Saturday games around the Midwest.

Total shot in the dark, but does anyone know if Adrian is anticipating troubles getting to Husson, Maine for their game Friday.

Shouldn't be a problem flying into Bangor ... but that is an expensive flight.  If going into another airport, it could be a bus ride of a few hours up to Bangor.

Weather forecast for Bangor on Saturday is partly cloudy and a high in the mid 70s.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 31, 2011, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 31, 2011, 09:57:56 PM
I am now reserved for a spot at the Just In Time campround (east of Ithaca) for the IWU @ Alma game.  I'll arrive late Friday afternoon, and leave sometime Sunday.  I have no idea about tailgating at Alma, but 'tailgating' at my site Friday (to 'trash-talk') and Saturday (to commiserate/gloat) is open to all! ;D  (I don't know my site number, so ask at the office for Chuck Bonney.)

At the game, I will be wearing my IWU 2010 Homecoming t-shirt and IWU cap.  I will also be bringing my 'Scotland' t-shirt, but will NOT wear it to the game! 8-)  Temperatures permitting, once the 'skeeters come out, I'll be sporting my new "Why didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes?" sweatshirt. ;D

For tailgating on game day, the IWU tailgating area will be on Iowa street at the softball field (so not on the hogan center - athletic building - side of the stadium, but the north endzone). You'll be able to walk behind the main grandstands on the trail to get tickets at the main gate. I usually try to stay on the alms side of the stadium but Im going to have to venture over to the "green sea" at halftime to find u mr ypsi as it will be fun to meet a fellow poster :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 31, 2011, 11:04:18 PM
IWU travels well, but 'green sea' might be an overstatement all the way to Alma (there were perhaps 150 at Hope when I was there in 2008).  IWU is more of a bball school: we always took pride in turning opposition gyms into home courts - which we did on many more than one occasion! ;D

I look forward to meeting you (you can even teach me the pronunciation of your posting name! ;)); I'd also be happy to meet MORE posters than you - any other Alma posters?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 01, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 31, 2011, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 31, 2011, 09:57:56 PM
I am now reserved for a spot at the Just In Time campround (east of Ithaca) for the IWU @ Alma game.  I'll arrive late Friday afternoon, and leave sometime Sunday.  I have no idea about tailgating at Alma, but 'tailgating' at my site Friday (to 'trash-talk') and Saturday (to commiserate/gloat) is open to all! ;D  (I don't know my site number, so ask at the office for Chuck Bonney.)

At the game, I will be wearing my IWU 2010 Homecoming t-shirt and IWU cap.  I will also be bringing my 'Scotland' t-shirt, but will NOT wear it to the game! 8-)  Temperatures permitting, once the 'skeeters come out, I'll be sporting my new "Why didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes?" sweatshirt. ;D

For tailgating on game day, the IWU tailgating area will be on Iowa street at the softball field (so not on the hogan center - athletic building - side of the stadium, but the north endzone). You'll be able to walk behind the main grandstands on the trail to get tickets at the main gate. I usually try to stay on the alms side of the stadium but Im going to have to venture over to the "green sea" at halftime to find u mr ypsi as it will be fun to meet a fellow poster :)

sflzman - Prepare yourself - there is no other experience in life like meeting Mr. Ypsi  ;)

P.S.  CB - you're getting awfully close to 15,000!!!!!  Guess that makes you 5 times the man I am   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 01, 2011, 09:15:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 31, 2011, 11:04:18 PM
IWU travels well, but 'green sea' might be an overstatement all the way to Alma (there were perhaps 150 at Hope when I was there in 2008).  IWU is more of a bball school: we always took pride in turning opposition gyms into home courts - which we did on many more than one occasion! ;D

I look forward to meeting you (you can even teach me the pronunciation of your posting name! ;)); I'd also be happy to meet MORE posters than you - any other Alma posters?

Yeah, I figured the green sea might be an overstatement, but IWU traveled well last time you guys were up here (that was possibly the worst football game I've ever watched)

I don't know of any other Alma posters, unfortunately. And as for the abbreviation SFL is the abbreviation for South Florida (I was born in Miami) so say that as you would ATL for Atlanta. Then the last part would probably be easier to say looking like this: z-man (as my name is Zach)
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 01, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
sflzman - Prepare yourself - there is no other experience in life like meeting Mr. Ypsi  ;)

lol. I cant wait, it'll be fun - especially fun when I can do a little trash talking since we'll be up  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 11:24:42 AM

A-ha! Thanks for the explanation sflzman.  I was wondering where that came from. 

For those that do not know, my name is not really Rico.  Uncle Rico came from the character in the movie "Napoleon Dynamite" that keeps on harkening back to his football days "back in '82" when he could "throw a football a 1/4 mile."  "If the coach could have put him in they would have won states" and he would have become a pro football player.  Thought it would be appropriate for a football forum.  :)  The only thing Uncle Rico and I have in common is we graduated high school in '82. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Always.A.Titan on September 01, 2011, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 01, 2011, 09:15:21 AM


Yeah, I figured the green sea might be an overstatement, but IWU traveled well last time you guys were up here (that was possibly the worst football game I've ever watched)


Personally, I thought that was a tremendous game from our side of the field. One of the best games of my career.

Although IWU travels well, green sea might be over doing it. But what we lack in numbers, we make up for in heart and good times.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 01, 2011, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: Always.A.Titan on September 01, 2011, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 01, 2011, 09:15:21 AM


Yeah, I figured the green sea might be an overstatement, but IWU traveled well last time you guys were up here (that was possibly the worst football game I've ever watched)


Personally, I thought that was a tremendous game from our side of the field. One of the best games of my career.

Although IWU travels well, green sea might be over doing it. But what we lack in numbers, we make up for in heart and good times.

You have to remember I'm "reppin" a Scots helmet here, so for me it WAS an awful game lol  ;D IWU was pretty good that year, that running back I believe was a great player.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 01, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
Gettin ready to leave work and get to Manchester Indiana for some football!!!!!

Good luck and best wishes to everyones teams this week.  I hope for no injuries and lots of MIAA victories!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AnotherTrineDad on September 01, 2011, 05:03:07 PM
Been lurking for years . . .
I thought that I would throw in that I too am leaving for work to see the Manchester/Trine Game fortunately my drive will be approximately 2 minutes.

travel safe/play hard
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2011, 06:02:55 PM
Welcome to our MIAA board AnotherTrineDad, glad to have you with us.

Also, good luck to you and all the other Trine colleagues here (Uncle Rico, LetItRain, Thunderhead, BOYA87, TUAnglola, BoredAtWork, etc., and all others) for your Trine team in their home opener this evening against Manchester.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2011, 06:10:50 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Perhaps since you will be at the campground in Ithaca on Friday afternoon/early evening, maybe I might be able to "blast up" there for a quick visit on Friday. Obviously, I will be around that weekend but over at Hope on Saturday for our home opener against Wisconsin Lutheran while you and sflzman will be at nearby Alma for the Alma/IWU game.  Were it that Hope would have had their "bye" weekend then, I would certainly have planned to come up and join you guys in taking in the Alma/IWU game, however, our "bye" is not until the last weekend of October.  Anyway, I'll keep you posted before then and, again, perhaps I can work it out to sneak up for a short visit and a hamburg or two and cold one. ;D  Take care.

P.S.  I'd join in on your Pick'Ems, however, my schedule sometimes is just too hectic and thus I forget to post my picks, so it makes it too erractic.  Besides, that way I enjoy seeing everyone's predictions and perhaps just "unofficially" post my own picks each week on our regular MIAA board like I did last year - that way, I don't "officially" embarrass myself so to speak on your official Pick'Ems board! ;D :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 06:37:13 PM
I'm at CMU (Fire Up-Chips) but through a wonderful APP I can pick up the Trine stream. So it's the best of the both worlds.

OHH it's good to be back in the football swing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 07:51:17 PM
Trine defense leads the nation in scoring right now!  Listening live on WEAX.  Go Thunder! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 01, 2011, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 07:51:17 PM
Trine defense leads the nation in scoring right now!  Listening live on WEAX.  Go Thunder! :D
...and it's a good thing because our offense has done diddly squat so far.  21-7 courtesy of 3 Manchester turnovers and 1 Trine turnover.  Trine ready to punt again...ugh.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 07:56:44 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 01, 2011, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 07:51:17 PM
Trine defense leads the nation in scoring right now!  Listening live on WEAX.  Go Thunder! :D
...and it's a good thing because our offense has done diddly squat so far.  21-7 courtesy of 3 Manchester turnovers and 1 Trine turnover.  Trine ready to punt again...ugh.

You ain't kidding.  Hopefully opening game jitters...Sounds like Hargraves does not have a lot of time back there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 08:10:29 PM
Manchester seems to be just what Trine needed coming off the drubing they took at the their scrimmage.

Manchester seems like they're in bad shape, with three all-conference defensive players, and one pre-season all-American, plus a senior QB, things don't seem to be going as planned.

Glad the Thunder defense showed up (though two of the turnovers sound like they were un-forced gifts), none the less, the offense seems to MIA to this point.

Go Thunder!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 08:16:02 PM
Also - here it's.

CMU 14
SCS 3

It's a great night for football.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 08:26:02 PM
I am confident the 2nd half adjustments will give a jumpstart to the offense.  With both the running game and passing sputtering a little, I wonder how the o-line is performing.  Although I would like to see the offense do more, it shows how spoiled we can be when we are concerned with a 24-7 lead.  I seem to remember Trine usually started out slow at Manchester the past few years. 

I love the job that Coyle and Benner do with the broadcast.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 01, 2011, 08:32:01 PM
Halftime...24-7 lead for the good guys. :)  Offense picked up some in the 2nd quarter.  Drove for a FG and then next time with ball drove to the 30 before turning ball over on downs with under 1 minute left in half.  Defense has played outstanding!!  46 yd int return first TD.  Another long int return to 10 yd line set up 2nd TD.  Trine then fumbled in their own territory to set up Manchester's score.  Second defensive touchdown of first half was a 30 yd fumble return.  4 Manchester turnovers in the first half.  Would love to see the O get going in the second half.  Good to hear Mario Brown getting in the game and coming back from his serious injury last year.  Great kid and leader. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 01, 2011, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 08:26:02 PM
I love the job that Coyle and Benner do with the broadcast.
I couldn't agree more.  WEAX Trine U radio has outstanding football announcers.  Aaron Coyle has a great radio voice, and he knows his football!

Listening to stats at half...both teams under 100 yds total offsense at half...TU 92 yds and MU 86 yds.  Great job for TU defense with 7 new starters!  I don't want to get too down on TU offense though.  This isn't the machine of last year plus Manchester has a lot of returnees on their defense with a few all-conference guys plus an all-american at DB.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 08:47:32 PM
It's good to see Mario Brown back. I've only met him a few times but he seemed very classy and was just a great kid.

4 Manchester turnovers in the first half is really the key, 2 of those lead to direct scores (inside the 10 or TD) I believe. It got loud here at Kelly/Shorts Stadium and I couldn't hear at those times. The other turnovers lead to solid indirect field position. You all know you can't win games will 4 turnovers in a game, let a lone a half.

We shall see what Nick Williams can do with the offense, I'm not sure he can do worse then their starter. It looks like it will be a long year Manchester, who I understand was picked 8th in a 9 team conference.

Now regarding Coyle and Benner - I am really impressed with them. I listened to them when Trine played UWW, and was impressed them on air.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:01:27 PM
The Trine defense will have to quit scoring so fast to give the offense more time to plan.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:01:27 PM
The Trine defense will have to quit scoring so fast to give the offense more time to plan.   ;)


:D my thoughts exactly. Those stinking defensive players they're all just glory hogs.  :o ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:01:27 PM
The Trine defense will have to quit scoring so fast to give the offense more time to plan.   ;)


:D my thoughts exactly. Those stinking defensive players they're all just glory hogs.  :o ;D

:)  Ok, I am ready for the D to score now! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
Manchester is just trying not to turn the ball over, and Trine seems to be just trying to figure out how to develop consistent drives.

Take away the Manchester gifts, it's 10-7 in a sloppy game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:19:35 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
Manchester is just trying not to turn the ball over, and Trine seems to be just trying to figure out how to develop consistent drives.

Take away the Manchester gifts, it's 10-7 in a sloppy game.

True, but turnovers (and penalties) are still part of the game and if you handle those aspects better than the other team it still counts to your advantage.  I also suspect the playbook hasn't been totally opened up yet, either.  With the current score there is no need to.  Would like to see some long drives, however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 01, 2011, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
Take away the Manchester gifts, it's 10-7 in a sloppy game.
...actually take away the 4 MU turnovers and the 1 TU turnover and it is 3-0 Trine.  End of 3rd quarter, still 24-7 Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:23:55 PM
I agree turnovers and such are a part of the game, I'm just saying it seems like it's a pretty sloppy game. (turnovers and penalties) with no solid drives by either squad.

I'm sure the playbook hasn't been opened, and then again, I'm not sure how far they can open it from comfort-ability stand point with the current crop of young guys.

We may not see an "open book" for a few years.  8-)

3-0, good point. Nice catch TUA (also check your personal message box brother)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:29:52 PM
speaking of sloppy....it's like both teams need the other team to turn it over before they comfortable scoring.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:44:01 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:29:52 PM
speaking of sloppy....it's like both teams need the other team to turn it over before they comfortable scoring.  ;D

Can't disagree with that!  Manchester is self destructing too.  Would be nice to see a Thunder drive / score.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 09:54:15 PM
Well - I would think that should do it.

At the end of the day what matters is you get the W. Though it certainly wasn't pretty, at least they have a lot of film to show area's of improvement.

Manchester can take some good things away from this, in the 2nd half they stayed right with Trine and defensively did a nice job.

At the end of the day, it's almost impossible to overcome 4 turnovers. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 01, 2011, 09:57:25 PM
It's final: Trine 24 Manchester 13  ;D.  Defense wins the game for Trine, they were outstanding the whole night.  Every score other than the Trine FG were a result of scores off of or after turnovers.  Trine had another fumble in the 4th quarter while Manchester was error free in the second half.  But neither team could sustain any drives.  Happy for the win, just need to figure out how to get the offense in sync.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
Yep, I imagine there will be a lot to work on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 01, 2011, 10:08:37 PM
Some stats from the radio:  Both teams less than 250 yds total offense.  TU: 242  MC: 206.  Hargraves completion percentage not too bad 14-21 with no interceptions, but not many down the field passes as they only had 130 yds passing.  All conference RB Biller only 26 rushing..2.4 ypc...not going to cut it going forward.  (these stats aren't exact, trying to recall from memory as I type this).

Play Bluffton next Saturday.  Another game we should win.  Need to see progress from the offense next week at practice and somehow get in a rythym.  New quarterback, a lot of new starters on both sides of the ball, all in all can't complain as it was a Trine victory!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 10:13:29 PM
If Trine plays like this next week, I don't think we beat Bluffton.

Bluffton returns I think 24 starters, and is coming off a decent year for them, their best since 2004 according to their web site. This was a bad Manchester team, and although we know Trine WILL improve I don't think Bluffton will spot them 4 turnovers. Hopefully we won't spot them any.  ;D

This all said: A WINS A WIN!!!

Go Thunder.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 01, 2011, 10:08:37 PM
Some stats from the radio:  Both teams less than 250 yds total offense.  TU: 242  MC: 206.  Hargraves completion percentage not too bad 14-21 with no interceptions, but not many down the field passes as they only had 130 yds passing.  All conference RB Biller only 26 rushing..2.4 ypc...not going to cut it going forward.  (these stats aren't exact, trying to recall from memory as I type this).

Play Bluffton next Saturday.  Another game we should win.  Need to see progress from the offense next week at practice and somehow get in a rythym.  New quarterback, a lot of new starters on both sides of the ball, all in all can't complain as it was a Trine victory!!

Insider information indicated that Hargraves needed more protection.  Biller is an all conference running back and could not do much today.  I wonder how much as due to Manchester vs Trine being able to execute.  Time will tell.  Looking forward to posts from those that were there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 10:25:01 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 01, 2011, 10:13:29 PM
If Trine plays like this next week, I don't think we beat Bluffton.

Bluffton returns I think 24 starters, and is coming off a decent year for them, their best since 2004 according to their web site. This was a bad Manchester team, and although we know Trine WILL improve I don't think Bluffton will spot them 4 turnovers. Hopefully we won't spot them any.  ;D

This all said: A WINS A WIN!!!

Go Thunder.

Trine CRUSHED Bluffton last year.  It was brutal.  Trine had 3rd and 4th string players scoring at will.  I don't think that Trine can over look Bluffton (Trine beat up Manchester last year as well, but not as bad a Bluffton) but I am less worried about Bluffton than I was this game.  Manchester always seemed to play Trine tight at home.  I believe the Bluffton game is at Trine, correct?  I am optimistically chaulking this up to first game jitters on the road, and I think that Bluffton could be just the cure provided the team takes this as a reality check.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 01, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Uncle Rico I don't think u can look for an easy win at all. Blutfton is getting better every year and with 24 starters returning they're gonna be guns ablazin for a win after bein blown outnlast season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2011, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 01, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Uncle Rico I don't think u can look for an easy win at all. Blutfton is getting better every year and with 24 starters returning they're gonna be guns ablazin for a win after bein blown outnlast season

I did not say I thought it was going to be easy, although in review it might look like that is what I meant.  But I did say the Manchester game had me more worried and I still stand by that, "provided the team takes this as a reality check."  If nothing was learned or gained from tonight, all bets are off.  Manchester was Trine's 1st real game, on the road with a new QB.  Trine has Bluffton at Trine, and I am certain that the coaches at Trine are capable of identifying and fixing anything that can be fixed and needs fixing.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2011, 11:14:12 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 01, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 31, 2011, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 31, 2011, 09:57:56 PM
I am now reserved for a spot at the Just In Time campround (east of Ithaca) for the IWU @ Alma game.  I'll arrive late Friday afternoon, and leave sometime Sunday.  I have no idea about tailgating at Alma, but 'tailgating' at my site Friday (to 'trash-talk') and Saturday (to commiserate/gloat) is open to all! ;D  (I don't know my site number, so ask at the office for Chuck Bonney.)

At the game, I will be wearing my IWU 2010 Homecoming t-shirt and IWU cap.  I will also be bringing my 'Scotland' t-shirt, but will NOT wear it to the game! 8-)  Temperatures permitting, once the 'skeeters come out, I'll be sporting my new "Why didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes?" sweatshirt. ;D

For tailgating on game day, the IWU tailgating area will be on Iowa street at the softball field (so not on the hogan center - athletic building - side of the stadium, but the north endzone). You'll be able to walk behind the main grandstands on the trail to get tickets at the main gate. I usually try to stay on the alms side of the stadium but Im going to have to venture over to the "green sea" at halftime to find u mr ypsi as it will be fun to meet a fellow poster :)

sflzman - Prepare yourself - there is no other experience in life like meeting Mr. Ypsi  ;)

P.S.  CB - you're getting awfully close to 15,000!!!!!  Guess that makes you 5 times the man I am   ;D

Nah, just 5 times as verbose! ;D  (Though my fball and bball pickems entries, plus running the MIAA Pickems and bball Posters' Poll, may account for about 3,000 posts alone!)

I noted that you didn't specify whether it was a good or bad experience! 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2011, 11:20:21 PM
Speaking of MIAA Pickems, as noted on that page I will be at a family reunion this weekend, so week one results will be delayed.  I have posted the week two slate already, so as not to cramp pickers' time.  Since I will be at the Alma game next weekend (then probably head for my local campground, which, alas, has no wi-fi), week two results will also be delayed, with week three slate posted early.  Eventually you can count on results by late Saturday night!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 12:08:45 AM
I'll stand by my comments that if Trine plays like they did tonight, they won't beat Bluffton, I had a chance to visit a Bluffton practice this year, they're not the team they were last year Uncle Rico. They're mature and have a lotta leadership. At least that's what I saw.

My insider information basically amounted to this: the protection wasn't great but it wasn't horrible, it wasn't all on the offensive line. The offense was tough to watch, even from the sidelines.

While I agree the coaching staff can identify what's wrong, it's not a simple fix. A football team isn't a car engine. I can somewhat identify more then a few things that are wrong with this young team just by looking at stats and reviewing film, as can most people with a coaching background, in game filled with as many mistakes as were made tonight. However fixing those issues can take years. While I acknowledge minor issues can be quickly fixed not all of Trines current issues are minor, and even now I don't believe all the positions are locked in, I see shuffling and positions on offense and defense taking place throughout the next month at least, as the staff looks to find the chemistry that success is built on.

Only time will tell as to how fast that happens. Either it gets better or they'll have a heck of a time in the MIAA with the top four, or even middle 3 programs.

I love Trine but I can't always drink the blue gatorade.  ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2011, 07:08:42 AM
I think we both agree there is plenty of room for improvement.  For me, having followed the program over the past 4+ years, it is not so much "drinking the blue gatorade" as it is having seen how the coaching staff and team has handled challenges, and having confidence they will make adjustments as needed.  ;)  Every year changes are made at various positions, throughout the season...I don't think you are going out on a limb with that observation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on September 02, 2011, 07:38:03 AM
Well last night was a little dose of reality for us Thunder fans.  It shows how spoiled we are because of the success of the last three years.  I wasn't around for the NAIA TSU teams but I believe last years team was the best in Trine/TSU history (at least the NCAA history). To think that we could lose that talented group of seniors and not "miss a beat" may have been what Thunderhead calls "drinking the gatorade".  At any rate it wasn't realistic. Things were certainly different last night. After only one game it's easier to identify the "whats" than the "whys" but is pretty clear a lot has to improve for the Thunder to have another championship season. Can you chalk it up to new team- new chemistry, first start jitters, or something else? I don't know. We've been here before, though.  Two years ago - at the beginning of a championship season we barely escaped Manchester with a win and there were a lot of shaking heads but things did get better...a lot better. A pretty famous Big Ten coach - now deceased- used to say that college football teams improved the most between their first and second games.  Let's hope that's true!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AnotherTrineDad on September 02, 2011, 08:36:58 AM
Here's my quick assessment . . .
Hot, muggy, buggy, defense fared well, offense struggled to find rhythm and execute, big penalties.

Manchester has never been a football powerhouse, but it was only 2 years ago that they nearly won the game at Manchester.  Perhaps its preparing on turf and then performing on grass?? Sounds like an excuse for lack of mental preparedness, but one of the coaches told that to the boys after the game.

Manchester does have some talent . . . Nelson as their RB, HE IS FAST. Then there is the Kennedy brothers on defense . . . one of the two was in on nearly every tackle made.  They are both quick, smart and hit HARD.  They have been good athletes since they were knee high, and great kids as well.

There will be little rest for the Thunder this next week as they prepare for Bluffton.  Coach Land and troop has always impressed me with their ability to analyze, adjust and overcome.  No doubt that will be the case as they prepare for next week.

BTW it was great to see the Trine fans fill the stands last evening.  The MC crowd was slow to arrive and inflated because of free entry for community members. They made me show my drivers license to get in free because of my colors and hat.  ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 02, 2011, 09:00:56 AM
My notes on the game (although it looks like everyone has it pretty well covered...sorry I was way to tired after the game to jot down my thoughts)

Watching this game reminded me a lot of the 2008 championship teams opening game.  Offense young with a new quarterback, defense (although much younger this year) coming in with strength at many positions (I thought D-Line and DB's looked great.  Not bad play from LB core either but would like to see them be more physical)

Thank God for that first quarter!  Defense zapped the life out of a Manchester team that was coming in with high hopes!  Now we gave them some of that momentum back at half but defense wasnt allowing much.  Great job Defense!

Lets remember that the Gagliardi Award winning quarterback Erick Watt was not always the Gagliardi Award winning quarterback!  He had plays, games, heck even seasons where he made many mistakes and mental errors.  He showed great physical and mental growth throught ever season though which led to great things for TU's program!  It was painful to watch Hargraves at times last night.  He looked very unsure at times and was a split second too late on making some decisions.  However, at times you could tell he made a decision quickly and followed through with it for a positive play!  Some throws were off target, some hit receivers in the hands but were dropped, but then others were whipped into small windows and hit receivers in stride!

It reminded me very much like Erick Watts 2008 season opener.  It is fixable, it is coachable, it is learnable.  Ryan Hargraves should not feel completely distraught about this performance, but he does need to take it to heart and as a personal challenge to improve!  Because if it does not then the QB competition will heat up very quickly.

on Manchesers note, I was impressed with their running back and on how hard hitting their defense was!  I was very unimpressed with their QB.  Watching him I assumed he was a sophmore or freshman but I looked at the roster and saw Sr. and was very suprised.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 01:04:18 PM
Hilarious read by WoJo, if you're a Big Ten fan you'll enjoy it.

http://detnews.com/article/20110902/OPINION03/109020338/Leaders--Legends--Huskers--It's-a-beefier-Big-Ten
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2011, 01:20:03 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 01:04:18 PM
Hilarious read by WoJo, if you're a Big Ten fan you'll enjoy it.

http://detnews.com/article/20110902/OPINION03/109020338/Leaders--Legends--Huskers--It's-a-beefier-Big-Ten

Thanks for the link.  I love Wojo!  It was fun listening to him with Stoney, and also his banter with the late Tom "Killer" Kowalski.  I wish Wojo would get a permanent drive-time radio gig.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 01:30:34 PM
Uncle Rico - I agree completely. Wojo is a lot of fun and if you ever get the chance to meet him, his personality matches his writing style. He's a party all by himself. I wish the guy had a show, there are plenty of guys who have shows that are hard to listen too...Wojo I would throughly enjoy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 02, 2011, 06:04:46 PM
Those Trine posters that went to Manchester last night, I have a couple questions that I wondered if you could answer.  What happened to the running game?  Were there just not many holes or did Manchester load up in the box?  The Biller runs to the outside were one of our staples last year, must not have had any alleys last night?  What about the O line play.  Sounded like Hargraves had pressure all night, did they not play well or did Manchester have some studs on D?  I knew Brecken Kennedy was going to be tough to handle, I was very impressed with him last year and from the stat line he had 16 tackles last night..16!!  But I thought with 3 returners on the line and lots of playing time for the 2nd unit last year that this would be a strength of the team.

Also, did we come out ok injury wise?  The radio announces said our backup TE got hurt, and also DE Reinig limped off?

Bluffton returns 10 starters on both sides of the ball according to their athletics website.  Most are seniors with a few juniors.  No doubt they will be out for payback after the drubbing last year.  We will know a little more about them after they host Kzoo tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Via another portion of the board, apparently the QB at Wheaton was lost for the season due to injury.

Definitely prayers for him and his family, it's incredibly disappointing as an athlete to go down at any point, but especially just prior to the season.

This is a big blow to a good Wheaton program with high expectations.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 02, 2011, 11:04:18 PM
former d3fb,

I rescheduled a dental appointment just to make sure i'd get to Alma by late afternoon!  You'd better not stand me up! ;D

Brats are more likely than burgers, but the 'adult beverages' are guaranteed. 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Interesting read. I heard rumblings about this from some friends of mine some time ago, but didn't think much of it.

The Big 12 did themselves no favors with their undying alliance to Texas and their network. It was only a matter of time before some school said "see ya". Texas A&M proved it could be done, now maybe with the threat of movement by a big boy some the Big 12 conference officials will finally get their act together.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6923495/oklahoma-sooners-president-david-boren-says-school-interest-multiple-conferences
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 03, 2011, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Interesting read. I heard rumblings about this from some friends of mine some time ago, but didn't think much of it.

The Big 12 did themselves no favors with their undying alliance to Texas and their network. It was only a matter of time before some school said "see ya". Texas A&M proved it could be done, now maybe with the threat of movement by a big boy some the Big 12 conference officials will finally get their act together.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6923495/oklahoma-sooners-president-david-boren-says-school-interest-multiple-conferences


Texas has already made everyone's bed for them and their network deal isn't going to change.  I hope tu ends up an indepedent and nobody will play them.


I'd be interested to know if the Big 10(12) is involved.  I know Delaney says they aren't looking but Oklahoma would be an attractive addition (save for my concerns about the stupidity of conferences larger than 12 teams and the fact Oklahoma doesn't touch any other Big 10 state, not even the newer ones).  Maybe, just maybe, adding OU might finally get Notre Dame to see the light and join the Big 10.  My guess is OU jumps to the SEC as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 03, 2011, 12:27:20 AM
Quote from: sac on September 03, 2011, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Interesting read. I heard rumblings about this from some friends of mine some time ago, but didn't think much of it.

The Big 12 did themselves no favors with their undying alliance to Texas and their network. It was only a matter of time before some school said "see ya". Texas A&M proved it could be done, now maybe with the threat of movement by a big boy some the Big 12 conference officials will finally get their act together.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6923495/oklahoma-sooners-president-david-boren-says-school-interest-multiple-conferences


Texas has already made everyone's bed for them and their network deal isn't going to change.  I hope tu ends up an indepedent and nobody will play them.


I'd be interested to know if the Big 10(12) is involved.  I know Delaney says they aren't looking but Oklahoma would be an attractive addition (save for my concerns about the stupidity of conferences larger than 12 teams).  Maybe, just maybe, adding OU might finally get Notre Dame to see the light and join the Big 10.  My guess is OU jumps to the SEC as well.

That's exactly right, and I'm sure Delaney has his ears to the ground so to speak. You can't say no to OU, but I agree, they may move to the SEC, but I wouldn't count out the B1G or the PAC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 03, 2011, 04:04:18 AM
Adrain beats Husson 77-7.  :o

WoW.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 03, 2011, 08:55:40 AM
For what it's worth ... as an IIAC fan and supporter who appreciates MIAA football, I'm headed down to Olivet today for the game between the Comets and the Cornell Rams.  D3football has it as a match-up between the #209 Rams and the #229 Comets ... so it should be fairly evenly matched.  Given the prospects for both teams season ... this game could make or break one team's season.  With this game as the best chance for a win for either team ... a loss in the opener could be demoralizing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 03, 2011, 12:27:20 AM
Quote from: sac on September 03, 2011, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Interesting read. I heard rumblings about this from some friends of mine some time ago, but didn't think much of it.

The Big 12 did themselves no favors with their undying alliance to Texas and their network. It was only a matter of time before some school said "see ya". Texas A&M proved it could be done, now maybe with the threat of movement by a big boy some the Big 12 conference officials will finally get their act together.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6923495/oklahoma-sooners-president-david-boren-says-school-interest-multiple-conferences


Texas has already made everyone's bed for them and their network deal isn't going to change.  I hope tu ends up an indepedent and nobody will play them.


I'd be interested to know if the Big 10(12) is involved.  I know Delaney says they aren't looking but Oklahoma would be an attractive addition (save for my concerns about the stupidity of conferences larger than 12 teams).  Maybe, just maybe, adding OU might finally get Notre Dame to see the light and join the Big 10.  My guess is OU jumps to the SEC as well.

That's exactly right, and I'm sure Delaney has his ears to the ground so to speak. You can't say no to OU, but I agree, they may move to the SEC, but I wouldn't count out the B1G or the PAC.

Well think of a potential Big Ten with Oklahoma, Missouri, Iowa State and Notre Dame. Those probably would be the most logical ones? Maybe Kansas?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 03, 2011, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 03, 2011, 12:27:20 AM
Quote from: sac on September 03, 2011, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 02, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Interesting read. I heard rumblings about this from some friends of mine some time ago, but didn't think much of it.

The Big 12 did themselves no favors with their undying alliance to Texas and their network. It was only a matter of time before some school said "see ya". Texas A&M proved it could be done, now maybe with the threat of movement by a big boy some the Big 12 conference officials will finally get their act together.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6923495/oklahoma-sooners-president-david-boren-says-school-interest-multiple-conferences


Texas has already made everyone's bed for them and their network deal isn't going to change.  I hope tu ends up an indepedent and nobody will play them.


I'd be interested to know if the Big 10(12) is involved.  I know Delaney says they aren't looking but Oklahoma would be an attractive addition (save for my concerns about the stupidity of conferences larger than 12 teams).  Maybe, just maybe, adding OU might finally get Notre Dame to see the light and join the Big 10.  My guess is OU jumps to the SEC as well.

That's exactly right, and I'm sure Delaney has his ears to the ground so to speak. You can't say no to OU, but I agree, they may move to the SEC, but I wouldn't count out the B1G or the PAC.

Well think of a potential Big Ten with Oklahoma, Missouri, Iowa State and Notre Dame. Those probably would be the most logical ones? Maybe Kansas?

I seriously doubt Notre Dame will ever join a football conference.  They have ademently for years said they would never do it and, of course, have their own broadcast contracts.  That is not to say that nothing is impossible and their thinking could change in future years, nonetheless, I won't hold my breath! :D ;D  Yet, stranger things have happened as we've seen with these conference realignments, political maneuvering, lobbying, etc., etc. amid speculations, denials, etc., etc. "running amok"! ;)

IMO, (and this is not an original one since others have mentioned this many times both here and across the country including those involved in administations of conferences), Pittsburgh would be the logical choice to join the Big Ten,  if not for the single reason of travel logistics/economics.  Syracuse has been mentioned, however, that is a little further travel distance I believe as compared to Penn State, enough so to put a damper on the idea, if not among other aspects (some have mentioned academics, but I don't think U of Pitt is that much different that many of the Big Ten schools in that regard).  Personally, I don't see OU joining; Missouri was obviously considered as we all know, but, not sure if that would still be a viable option.  Iowa State, as you note could be another possibility (travel distance within reason as much as Nebraska and Iowa and Minn already), although again, I would think Pitt would still be the more logical choice.  Not sure that is even on the table as an idea and/or if Pitt is still even interested.

Speaking of conference realignment logical ideas, I have always thought it strange and do not understand why Youngstown State is not in the MAC.  BTW, they did give Michigan State a pretty decent game last night, although obviously State eventually wore them down and YSU made too many mistakes.  I do believe, however, that had YSU been of the calibur of any one of their D-IAA Championship teams of the '90's, they would have beaten Michigan State last evening.  Yet, obviously, that is speculation and just not reality this year!

Good luck to everyone's MIAA teams today.  Sorry DBQ1965, I have to root for Olivet today against your Iowa league Cornell!! ;D.  However, I do agree with your assessment regarding the implications of that game for those two teams.  BTW, do you think Cornell will fare better in the Midwest League when they return to that and, also, do you think they should have made that move? Obviously, some of the travel distances will be longer and they are again giving up some of their century-long (or almost century-long) rivalries among their fellow Iowa colleges.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 03, 2011, 11:13:10 AM
Mr. Ypsi:

I think it should work out.  Obviously, I will be in communication with you here later this week, certainly well before Friday.  Maybe even sflzman can join us, although I know you and he will be visiting anyway at the Alma/IWU game the following day.  I can PM you so as to get cell phone #s.  BTW, best wishes for your family reunion today as I recall you were going to that and might possibly trying to fit in a portion of the IWU/Hope game if you can since you would be down near there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on September 03, 2011, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 03, 2011, 04:04:18 AM
Adrain beats Husson 77-7.  :o

WoW.

Were they throwing the ball when they were up by 35? That's one thing that UWW did to them last year that was so horrible that they had to cancel the game in Adrian this year when they only lost 35-0!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 03, 2011, 12:16:21 PM
Two touchdown passes with the score 56-0 and 63-7.  The last one from the eleven yard line. Too funny, LMAO
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 12:18:15 PM
Live Stats for today's MIAA contests for those who like me, are taking in the action indoors today:

Albion (@ Butler 1pm) http://livestats.prestosports.com/butler/fball/?e=fiiv3b4lphlpre75
Olivet (vs. Cornell 1pm) http://www.olivetcomets.com/sports/fball/livestats
Alma (@ Heidelberg 1:30pm) http://www.heidelberg.edu/statcrew/fb/xlive.htm
Hope (@ IWU 2 pm) http://www.sidearmstats.com/iwu/football/
Kzoo (@ Bluffton 2pm) http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/webcast/football/XLIVE.HTM
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 03, 2011, 12:16:21 PM
Two touchdown passes with the score 56-0 and 63-7.  The last one from the eleven yard line. Too funny, LMAO

I agree with you guys it is pretty hippocritical, but the only defense I have for Adrian is that at least it wasn't their first team offense at that point  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2011, 01:51:13 PM
The only other thing I can think is that when you travel that far, you're only bringing a limited number of kids. Not like you can put in a third and fourth string.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 04:07:38 PM
Olivet Fell to Cornell 36-35. That's too bad I was really pulling for the Comets.

Scots down 20-14. Jarrett Leister has two rushing TD's
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 04:26:10 PM
41 yard TD Pass from Leister to Barak Henderson to cap off on a 79 yard drive. Scots take the lead 21-20 with 5:09 to go.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 04:31:26 PM
Ugh 65 yard TD pass on 4th and 5  :'( we just cant hold on to a lead. 28-21 heidelberg
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 04:39:08 PM
Leister goes in from 5 yards out. His 3rd rushing TD of the game. 28-28 with 1:41 to go in the 4th
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 04:55:25 PM
Alma has the ball first in OT
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
Leister interception in the end zone. Heidelberg starts their posession in OT.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 03, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
Leister interception in the end zone. Heidelberg starts their posession in OT.
Ugh. Hate end zone interceptions in overtime. Just ugh.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
Heidelberg's second play is a TD pass. Heidelberg wins 34-28. Most exciting game of the college season so far....well that Auburn one was really good today too haha  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 03, 2011, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 04:07:38 PM
Olivet Fell to Cornell 36-35. That's too bad I was really pulling for the Comets.

Scots down 20-14. Jarrett Leister has two rushing TD's

I was at the Olivet game ... and boy was it hot!!!  The Comets looked pretty good in the first half considering who they were up against, but the game was not played crisply.  Olivet had real trouble containing Cornell's back-up QB after the starter went out in the second quarter.  The back-up was very good at scrambling and made good field decisions. 

Two critical turning points came when in the third quarter defensive safety Nick Brautigam (the coach's son) literally took the ball out of the arms of the Olivet receiver and returned it 45 yards for a TD.  The other critical point was Cornell blocking an Olivet punt and recovering on the 4 year line.  I'm afraid Olivet may be in for a long season.

With a halftime score of 21=10, there was a lot of second half action leading to the 36-35 final.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 05:34:57 PM
I was told the field temp at Heidelberg was 113....I thought it was supposed to be turning into fall weather?!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 03, 2011, 08:18:41 PM
I keep hearing 65 on Monday in west Michigan, so maybe next Saturday will follow suit and give us some fall weather. This hot two-a-day weather is no fun.  >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 03, 2011, 09:13:03 PM
DBQ1965,

Sorry that I missed you at the game today. I did not check the boards until later tonight way after the game. I would have had time to meet you since I did not have any other home events going on.

Hope that you enjoyed your visit to Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 03, 2011, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 03, 2011, 09:13:03 PM
DBQ1965,

Sorry that I missed you at the game today. I did not check the boards until later tonight way after the game. I would have had time to meet you since I did not have any other home events going on.

Hope that you enjoyed your visit to Olivet.

I might have seen you at the game without realizing who you were.  I used to be with the Michigan Conference UCC and had a number of Annual Meetings on the Olivet campus.  As a graduate of an IIAC institution ... and with my Olivet connections, I had a good time Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2011, 05:45:23 PM
Okay Mr. Ypsi:

Congratulations on your alma mater's win over Hope yesterday.  Looks like IWU is going to be a good team; Alma will have to bring their top game to beat them this Saturday, even though the game is at Alma.

As for Hope, a major disappointment.  After seeing our final scrimmage last weekend, I had decent hopes (pun, intended :D) that we would be much better than last year, and this, despite the fact that we had some new people in some positions, such as QB.  Although IWU was up at the half only by a score of 7-0 from what I read on Hope's website, it appears that that IWU began to steamroll and Hope having nothing to stop them with.  I thought perhaps our linemen (again with some new somewhat larger people) would be able to be our "ancho".  It is difficult for me to believe that Hope was near top of DIII last year in defense against rushing TD's.  The "talk" of pre-season was that it was going to be Hope's defense that was to be their strongest assest.  At this point, however, I am very confused because you can't win games...a) if you can't stop the other team from easily scoring (i.e. obviously realizing that you can't stop every drive) and b) obviously if you can't score your own points. :-[ ::) :o  So, at least for Hope, we'll just have to see what happens next weekend in our home opener against Wisconsin Lutheran.  Then the next week, at home is Millikin.  I realize that Millikin is perhaps not the team they were last year (a seemingly on the rise team from their better teams of 4-5 years ago), however, they are not going to be an easy game.  Nor is next weekend's game against WLC, even with Hope having its Annual Community Day home opening "bash". WLC beat us last year at their place.

As prior mentioned, Friday looks good so far for me, so...get the grill ready!  Talk to you later (also, hope your family reunion was enjoyable).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2011, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 05:34:57 PM
I was told the field temp at Heidelberg was 113....I thought it was supposed to be turning into fall weather?!  ;D

sflzman:

Also, apparently at the Michigan/Western Michigan game yesterday, field surface temp was recorded as 135 degrees!  Definitely not 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2011, 05:54:06 PM
OC_SID:
Sorry your Olivet lost a tough and close one yesterday.  As DBQ1965 mentioned, that might have been one game for either team that would be a good one i.e. almost a "must" one to win.  Hopefully, your Big O can bounce back.  At least it looks like they can put some points on the board.  I was also disappointed to see that your game attendence was only 475.  You guys need to get the community and those surrounding farmers out for a couple of games!

DBQ1965:
Ditto OC_SID's comments in hoping you had a nice return visit to the Olivet campus (my dad helped design their modern student center many years ago, although I am still partial to all those great old buildings they've preserved on campus.  Their new student village has also kept in with the old college traditional design, yet the new athletic facilities fit in just fine and put them back in line with fellow MIAA schools).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 04, 2011, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 04, 2011, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 03, 2011, 05:34:57 PM
I was told the field temp at Heidelberg was 113....I thought it was supposed to be turning into fall weather?!  ;D

sflzman:

Also, apparently at the Michigan/Western Michigan game yesterday, field surface temp was recorded as 135 degrees!  Definitely not 8-)

It was hot in the stands, but not as hot as the Virginia game in 1995 when the sun did not go behind a giant cloud near the end of the 2nd quarter and cool it down a few degrees, nor did it rain a monsoon (twice) further cooling the air.

By the time I left, it was only 70 degrees after reaching 94, with the strongest storm of the day rolling into Ann Arbor.  Really good call to call that one off when they did.  Strange day.


More on topic.......23 straight regular season non-conference losses for Hope, 24 straight losses to non-MIAA opponents.  Yesterday tied the second largest margin of defeat in that streak.  Most of those losses were competitive, some of them even heartbreaking last minute or second losses.  This was neither.

The IWU series had been very competitive until this year.

08 IWU 28 Hope 25
09 IWU 28 Hope 25
10 IWU 20 Hope 16

Pretty disheartening.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 04, 2011, 08:47:33 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 04, 2011, 05:54:06 PM
OC_SID:
Sorry your Olivet lost a tough and close one yesterday.  As DBQ1965 mentioned, that might have been one game for either team that would be a good one i.e. almost a "must" one to win.  Hopefully, your Big O can bounce back.  At least it looks like they can put some points on the board.  I was also disappointed to see that your game attendence was only 475.  You guys need to get the community and those surrounding farmers out for a couple of games!

DBQ1965:
Ditto OC_SID's comments in hoping you had a nice return visit to the Olivet campus (my dad helped design their modern student center many years ago, although I am still partial to all those great old buildings they've preserved on campus.  Their new student village has also kept in with the old college traditional design, yet the new athletic facilities fit in just fine and put them back in line with fellow MIAA schools).

That was probably my lone trip to Olivet for the season.  I hope to get down to Holland sometime this Fall to see Hope ... don't know if I'll get over to Alma.  I do have to get back to Dubuque for a UD game ... mostly likely the one against Luther.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 05, 2011, 12:45:31 AM
Slightly off topic, but we've been talking about it. Texas and OK might make the Pac-16 a lotta fun.  :o

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6927204/pac-16-oklahoma-sooners-texas-longhorns-being-discussed-source-says
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on September 05, 2011, 04:18:29 PM
well this is a bit late, but finaly feeling human again after 730 mile weekend. kzoo looked great. possibly best game the team has played in the 4 yrs. i've watched them.. d-line played super, jones(qb) looked like 4 yr. starter. don't know about bluffton's 20 starters back, but the zoo sure showed some feeling. think the're gonna suprise some teams this year. game time 95, later up to 98. felt bad for both teams.not fb weather. hope everybody's teams came out injury free and every one had a great weekend..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 06, 2011, 08:16:43 AM
Well I'm finally back at a computer after a long weekend up in Pure Michigan.  Petosky, Harbor Springs, and Indiana River were all stops I made and I absolutely LOVE Michigan.  It was so nice to get away from reality for the weekend (except for the reality of football...I made sure to keep a close eye on that)

Trine hosts Bluffton this coming weekend so perhaps we will get a decent barometer of how things might stack up in the MIAA (I know comparing games is like apples to oranges, but at this point its really all we can do)

Trines JV squeaked out a win against Manchester yesterday with a true freshman busting out a 70 yard run to put Trine up 21-14.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 06, 2011, 12:55:46 PM
I know a couple people have commented here about Lacrosse.  The MIAA announced its adding Lacrosse as a varsity sport.  I can tell you some folks at Hope have worked hard for years on the club sport version, so this makes me happy for them.

http://miaa.org/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 06, 2011, 02:00:20 PM
Sorry for the late report, but it was a busy wekend. We were at he Hope-IWU game on Saturday. It was a disappointment, but maybe not as much of a disaster as the score would indicate. To set the stage, it was a bright and sunny 96 degree day (I believe a new temp record for Bloomington, Ill) and the dedication of the new artificial turf at IWU's stadium. Decent size crowd, fun atmosphere, but tough heat to play in for both teams. IWU proved they are a good team and will be very competitive in the IWCC. The first first half was close and could have been closer (Hope ended the half with a first down on the IWU 7). In the second half the Hope offense continued to have issues sustaining drives and the defense seemed to be on the field more than you would want them to be (especially when you are behind), then got hit bit by the last 3 touchdowns in 4 drives that were 3, 2, and 5  plays respectively. Net out is that the Offense had exectution issues the whole game that may have been predicted with the number of new starters, and the D gave up some big plays that buried them (The Defense is also without some key experience from last year). I still think Hope is talented enough enough to win in the non-conference schedule and make a difference in the MIAA race. I'm sure they will get there, but exactly when that will happen and how many wins will be determined by how long it takes them to eliminiate the on-field mistakes and get things into sync.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 06, 2011, 10:02:30 PM
Which MIAA team has the biggest challenge this weekend? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 06, 2011, 10:07:55 PM
DBQ1065,

Congrats on hitting +500K, here is one for you even though you are one short. Come to Mount Union this fall. Mount Union Stadium is the oldest in Ohio and one of the best of the D3 schools! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2011, 10:10:15 PM
hopewatcher:

Obviously, you were at the game and thus have some insight into the current status.  Also, we all know that one game does not make the season.  However, in reality, it doesn't matter how close the first half was; when you get blown out like we did in the second half, that does not bode well for being able to win games no matter who you play, whether it is in non-conference or not.  You mention our defense giving up the big plays and, unfortunately, that has beenn the story for the past 3-4 years now; and that despite us being in the top among DIII last year in run-defense. At any rate, certainly, this Saturday's game will be yet another tell-tale sign and WLC will be a tough opponent.  I do hope we win and while I will obviously be rooting for us and cautiously optimistic, but concerned. We'll see what happens.  We despirately need this win and I am fearful that if we lose, it will be an even more tough challenge to avoid a repeat scenario of last year and the two prior (at least in the non-conference portion).  Hope has got to find a way to "get over that hurdle". 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2011, 10:12:10 PM
kazoodad:  Congrats on Kazoo's win; indeed that is great for you/them. 

Raider68: You are getting close there yourself, friend. ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2011, 10:17:22 PM
sac:

Indeed, the lacrosse news is fantastic and, as you mention, the result of the hard work efforts, dedication and perseverance of many people.  Hope's men's lacrosse team (like it's hockey team) has for all practical purposes been varsity already in recent years, a "virtual varisty" if you will and that was essentially a semantics game only.  IMO, Hope's program should have been designated the "full status" before this, yet as many of us have discussed, the College administration chose to hold off until the MIAA decided to sanction it as a league sport.  Hope certainly could be playing as an independent the past 3 years at least, like Alma is doing this year and the Title IX aspects could have easily been taken care of.  But...you and I don't make those decisions; nonetheless, welcome this "official" decision finally announced with open arms.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 07, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 06, 2011, 10:07:55 PM
DBQ1065,

Congrats on hitting +500K, here is one for you even though you are one short. Come to Mount Union this fall. Mount Union Stadium is the oldest in Ohio and one of the best of the D3 schools! :)

Thanks for that ... didn't even know I was close.  I've been giving serious thought to a trip to see Mt. Union play ... but that will have to wait as I soon will be heading off for a trip to China.  We'll see what develops.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 07, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 07, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 06, 2011, 10:07:55 PM
DBQ1065,

Congrats on hitting +500K, here is one for you even though you are one short. Come to Mount Union this fall. Mount Union Stadium is the oldest in Ohio and one of the best of the D3 schools! :)

Thanks for that ... didn't even know I was close.  I've been giving serious thought to a trip to see Mt. Union play ... but that will have to wait as I soon will be heading off for a trip to China.  We'll see what develops.

DBQ1965,

You could fly into AKron- Canton, then fly to Detroit to China. I have done the Detroit to Far East s few times as well! :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 07, 2011, 06:27:17 PM
formerd3db,
I agree with you. My less than brutal approach in talking about the game was probably shaded by paternal opimism or grace. Although, I have not had to endure tough seasons as long as you have, you are right is characterizing the defensive issues in the second half as painfully similar to the ones I saw last year and the offense was unacceptably out of sync much of the game....I don't know if this is a make or break game per se (that's a pretty big cliff), however no player on this team has earned the right to expect any easy roads and should be reaching the point of desperation for wins...earning a starting spot or playing time is not enough....winning games, as a team, is what matters.....I don't believe that there are any players on the team that have ever won a non-confernece game, nor more than 3 MIAA games in a season while at Hope. Given that, there has to be a real sense of urgency on the part of the players for things to change (Last years seeming lack of emotion from players during and after losses was tough for me to understand). Having said that I remain optimistic that this team is capable of postive things, including winning in the non-conference schedule, and making a difference in the MIAA race (no predictions beyond that). I do think WLC will be a challenging opponent, but is game we can compete to win if we play well... ....and that we we can get that first win, good things will follow.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 07, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
Ok fellas, it's already Wednesday.

Roll Call:

Saturday

Michigan State vs FAU 12:00 noon
then in the car to
Michigan vs Notre Dame prime-time 8pm

Sunday: NFL and some sleep.

Where is everyone else??? ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2011, 07:19:15 PM
Thunderhead,

I'll be in Alma to watch my alma mater do a number on Alma, then probably hope to have some Alma area fans join me in watching UM take down ND somewhere. ;D

On Sunday, I'll be on the road (though I may try to find a place to see if the Lions can take out the Bucs).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 07, 2011, 10:01:01 PM
re: rollcall

Sat...DIII football.  1pm, Trine home opener vs. Bluffton.  Very anxious to see how the Thunder responds after last week's struggle with Manchester.  Sounds like Kalamazoo put a whipping on the Beavers so it will be interesting to see how we measure up.

Good luck to all MIAA teams this weekend. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Friday is still "a go" for me.  Check your PM section as I left you a personal message with my cell phone #.  PM me your cell phone #.  Looking forward to the camp cook out Friday (Do you want me to bring anything regarding food? I will be glad to do so)  Drive safe and see you then.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2011, 10:42:44 PM
hopewatcher:

I agree with you as well. I especially think you "hit the nail on the head" with regards to your assessment of the attitude i.e. enthusiasm aspect (or lack thereof) by all the players last year regardless of the situation.  I can understand that somewhat to a degree as that happened to Northwestern in the Big Ten for many years and also Olivet in our MIAA until their recent (now past) resurgence during the Sigler, Sigler/Livedotti, and 2nd Livedotti chapters.  Losing the "losing mindset" or perhaps better said the "apathy mindset" is very difficult to do despite even the best and upmost efforts/encouragement of any coaching staff and sometimes takes years to overcome.  I hope that is not the case again this year with our Hope team and, as you and I previously mentioned, we'll see what plays out this Saturday.  And BTW, there is nothing wrong with a reserved and diplomatic, optimistic approach as you (and I) have regarding opinions on and assessing Hope's status, projections, etc., etc. even if some of that contains a realization that "it just might not be the year again this year" ;D  Again, I hope the latter is not true and will not "give up hope". :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 08, 2011, 08:56:32 AM
sflzman,

What are thoughts regarding the Scots against IWU? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on September 08, 2011, 09:24:04 AM
Roll Call:

Tonight: The NFL season begins!
 
Saturday: Listen to the Trine game on my way to a Wedding in the afternoon, then skipping the reception to head out to Ann Arbor for Michigan v ND under the lights!

Sunday: Planting myself in front of the TV to watch the Lions.  Restore the Roar!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 08, 2011, 10:12:44 AM
Roll Call

Friday bounce between a couple Detroit Area HS FB games catch up with "My Boys"

Saturday watch history in Ann Arbor try not to wear my self out  ;) before we hit the Big House

Some interesting games in the MIAA, teams playing common foes we should get a feel for how the league looks. Need some wins in the "out of conference" part of schedule.

I thought Trine was a prohibitive favorite heading into the season, the comments on this board has opened some questions in my mind since I no longer see a lot of MIAA games.
These are young men so anything can happen to influence the games and effort or confidence a team has.

Starting to feel like FB weather no 100+ degree field temps this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 08, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
Roll Call,

Pretty much going to be watching football from tonight until Sunday night...and then more football on Monday night!  Oh thank God football season is here!

I will be at the Trine game on Saturday.  forcast calls for high of 77 so it should warm up a little bit for us this weekend.  About a 40% chance of rain right now although when you play Trine there are always severe thunderstorms!!!

Looking forward to how Trine rebounds from that poor performance against Manchester.  Talked to a couple players passing through campus this week and it was easy to see that they werent satisfied with their performance and expect soo much more from themselves so I will be excited to see what they bring to the table.

I wont make it to Ann Arbor but I am sure my roommate and I will have a very heated viewing of the game from the couch...I am ND and he is UM...GO ND!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 08, 2011, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 08, 2011, 08:56:32 AM
sflzman,

What are thoughts regarding the Scots against IWU? :-\

Honestly, we might have a chance, but I still like IWU in this one. Hopefully my Scots can prove me wrong, but they havent been able to beat IWU in the past, so until they do, I gotta go with the Titans. BUT don't be surprised if the Scots take IWU late into the game, and have a chance to win. This is the best team in the post-Josh Brehm era.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 08, 2011, 08:49:35 PM
Roll Call check-in

Friday: Volleyball in Art Smith Arena. Alma hosts Adrian in what will probably be over in straight set fashion.

Saturday: IWU @ Alma - upset alert Mr Ypsi!  ;) then off to Scotland Yard for women's soccer

Sunday: Wood bat fall high school baseball (as much as I love football, I'm a baseball guy at heart) then hopefully to see my Vikings lose their season opener.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bballfan13 on September 09, 2011, 08:15:37 AM
Calvin's football task force has made an official website with more information on football at Calvin:

http://www.calvin.edu/football/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 09, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Running a 5k cross-country race Saturday morning and then probably will head down to Holland to see the Hope - Wisconsin Lutheran game.  We'll see if (a) Hope can regroup after last Saturday or (b) it is going to be a long season for the Flying Dutch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 09, 2011, 10:20:09 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 09, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Running a 5k cross-country race Saturday morning and then probably will head down to Holland to see the Hope - Wisconsin Lutheran game.  We'll see if (a) Hope can regroup after last Saturday or (b) it is going to be a long season for the Flying Dutch.

DBQ1965,

If you are "running in" the race , good luck and go for the win! If you are "running it" then, hope everyone does well. Either way well done! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 09, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Running a 5k cross-country race Saturday morning and then probably will head down to Holland to see the Hope - Wisconsin Lutheran game.  We'll see if (a) Hope can regroup after last Saturday or (b) it is going to be a long season for the Flying Dutch.

DBQ1985:

If you end up going to the game, perhaps we can visit for a bit sometime either before the game or the half.  It would be nice to meet you. I could meet you at the top of the stairs leading to the field (over by the scoreboard) when we are going onto the field. 

Yes, also, I join Raider68 in wishing good luck in the run.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 09, 2011, 12:48:54 PM
Calvin might be getting serious about thinking about adding football.......further discussions on the men's basketball board.

http://www.calvin.edu/football/faq.html
http://www.calvin.edu/football/financialSummary.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 09, 2011, 12:53:44 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 08, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
Roll Call,

Pretty much going to be watching football from tonight until Sunday night...and then more football on Monday night!  Oh thank God football season is here!

I will be at the Trine game on Saturday.  forcast calls for high of 77 so it should warm up a little bit for us this weekend.  About a 40% chance of rain right now although when you play Trine there are always severe thunderstorms!!!

Looking forward to how Trine rebounds from that poor performance against Manchester.  Talked to a couple players passing through campus this week and it was easy to see that they werent satisfied with their performance and expect soo much more from themselves so I will be excited to see what they bring to the table.

I wont make it to Ann Arbor but I am sure my roommate and I will have a very heated viewing of the game from the couch...I am ND and he is UM...GO ND!!!!

That gives me pause to think ... football from Friday night to Sunday night?  We just celebrated our 44th wedding anniversary and my wife jokes that the next time she gets married, it won't be at the beginning of football season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on September 09, 2011, 01:52:08 PM
roll call:  fri- down to GR area    sat: head down to manchester, should have a better idea how season will look.  sun: back from GRarea to alma to see our daughter, then back home. looks like another 700+ mile weekend. have to admit tho, i'll miss it next year. everyone have a safe & fun weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2011, 02:52:41 PM
kzoodad:

I have now found someone who is crazier than me with that type of long-distance driving.  I call those my "blast trips", you know..."blast out there and then blast back"! ;D  For me, however, driving is my way of relaxing and de-stressing - a lot of time for thought and reflection.  My drive to Hope and back is about 1 1/2 hours one way.  Anyway, good luck to your Kazoo and also I hope your weekend is enjoyable.  Drive safe.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 09, 2011, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 09, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 09, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Running a 5k cross-country race Saturday morning and then probably will head down to Holland to see the Hope - Wisconsin Lutheran game.  We'll see if (a) Hope can regroup after last Saturday or (b) it is going to be a long season for the Flying Dutch.

DBQ1985:

If you end up going to the game, perhaps we can visit for a bit sometime either before the game or the half.  It would be nice to meet you. I could meet you at the top of the stairs leading to the field (over by the scoreboard) when we are going onto the field. 

Yes, also, I join Raider68 in wishing good luck in the run.

I usually sit on the visitors side on the top row as close to the 50 as I can get.  I will be wearing my blue UD cap.  If we don't meet up before the game, at half-time I will stroll over to those stairs by the scoreboard. 

Looking forward to a good afternoon of football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2011, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 09, 2011, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 09, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 09, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Running a 5k cross-country race Saturday morning and then probably will head down to Holland to see the Hope - Wisconsin Lutheran game.  We'll see if (a) Hope can regroup after last Saturday or (b) it is going to be a long season for the Flying Dutch.

DBQ1985:

If you end up going to the game, perhaps we can visit for a bit sometime either before the game or the half.  It would be nice to meet you. I could meet you at the top of the stairs leading to the field (over by the scoreboard) when we are going onto the field. 

Yes, also, I join Raider68 in wishing good luck in the run.

I usually sit on the visitors side on the top row as close to the 50 as I can get.  I will be wearing my blue UD cap.  If we don't meet up before the game, at half-time I will stroll over to those stairs by the scoreboard. 

Looking forward to a good afternoon of football.

DBQ1965:

Sounds good to me.  Looking forward to meeting you and yes, hopefully it will be a good game.  I also hope the weather remains good.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 10, 2011, 08:42:27 AM
Well, unfortunately I missed the meet up with formerd3db and Mr Ypsi, but I did want to throw out this because I know how we had talked how volleyball draws more than basketball here.

Last nights match against Adrian (who isn't even any good) drew 546 people :O
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2011, 09:15:02 AM
sflzman:

Yes, you missed an enjoyable time, understandably because of your other commitment.  You would have enjoyed the brats cooked over the fire at the campground, overlooking a nice lake with wildlife and beautiful sunset, along with great conversation about DIII football, football in the MIAA/CCIW and the other leagues, and their other sports, etc., etc.  It is always great to meet fellow posters in person as many of our other colleagues will attest to.

The volleyball game attendance was pretty good then.  I know Hope's volleyball crowds have been quite large.  Anyway, I told Mr. Ypsi that he should have you give him a quick tour of the new arena, trophy/awards and Hall of Fame area today after the game if he/you have the time and/or he should at least do that on his own.  Hopefully, the weather will clear as far as the potential rain is concerned.  Both of you will have to give us your assessment then of IWU after the game as depending on the outcome, it will give us some further indication of how Alma and Hope might fair this season as they will both have played this common opponent.  Enjoy the day.  I'll look forward to meeting you for the Oct. 1st game when Hope invades Balhke. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 10, 2011, 04:55:46 PM
Trine 41 Bluffton 27

Just got back from game.  Good crowd, Trine pretty much filled their side, but I would say less than 100 Bluffton fans made the trip to Angola. 

The offense came to play, especially in the first half.  I thought Hargraves was sharp from the get go.  He only had a few incompletions the first half and was on target, even with a few deep balls.  The second half he got a little sloppy but overall I thought he played well.  Run game was stagnant for most of the game.  Will need to address this as we need to be more balanced.

Trine's defense was very stout the first half.  Bluffton couldn't move the ball at all and never really threatened to score as Trine led 27-0. 

The second half Bluffton put in a different quarterback and boy he made a difference as they outscored us 27-14.  He had a much more accurate arm and could move around the pocket and roll out better than the first stringer.  He had our D on it's heels most of the second half.  Granted we substituted freely the second half but if he had played the entire game it may have been closer.

Had a nice tribute at halftime to recognize first responders at this the 10 yr anniversary of 9/11.  A mangled piece of steel girder from the World Trade Towers was on display and the band played patriotic type marches and songs.

All in all a nice day at Zollner Stadium in Angola, rain held off until just after the game ended.  The sun even came out during halftime and some of the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 10, 2011, 07:18:06 PM
Didn't get to see it for myself (other commitments) but - way to go Dutchmen!! Finally the non-conf losing streak is over!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 10, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
Any update on the IWU vs. Alma game? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 10, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 10, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
Any update on the IWU vs. Alma game? :-\

Yea! I couldnt find Mr Ypsi ANYWHERE!!!  >:(

But from the game's point of view here what I saw:

Iwu 17-9

IWU:
Running game was very good, the running back is one of the better ones I've seen in d3, it seems IWU always has a good one.

The QB is not very good at all though. He missed two wide open recievers in the endzone, and the one TD he did throw, the corner lost his footing and got turned around on a slant route.

Alma:
The defense looked good except for the defensive ends. Raby, Furnari, Bovee, Thelen, and Sabatella stopped everything in the middle, but the ends missed a few tackles and struggled containing IWU. Galarno (one of the players receiving the suspensions) coming back should help this much.

Offensivly Ed Mason looked great, it was unfortunate that the game ended with him fumbling on IWU's 3. Montgomery dropped two passes, one in the endzone and needs to step up as a second go to receiver if we want to be good. Henderson looked really good and that fast 6-6 frame gives Jarrett and easy target. You can tell this is Leister's 2nd collegiate game as his throws were off at times

If I were grading the team (disregarding wins and loses) i'd say B+

The defense is looking sharp, and I think if our offense can figure it out we can give Trine (along with Albion and Adrian) a tough battle for that top spot, especially seeing that trine gave up 27 points to Bluffton....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 10, 2011, 09:48:28 PM
Watched the Hope - Wisconsin Lutheran game today.  Nice way to spend a sunny Saturday afternoon in September ... but not a great game.  Hope looked like a mid-conference team, although they have some very good running backs.  QB Atwell seemed on again - off again, though he is only a soph so maybe he will get better as the season progresses.  I was most impressed with (a) the play of the Hope safeties Marcus Bradstreet and Kyle Warren and (b) the very accurate punting of Aaron Thompson.

Missed connecting up with d3b ... maybe another time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2011, 09:51:39 PM
Congratulations to Coach Kreps, his staff and the team for finally breaking the horrid non-conference losing streak.  It was a great day weatherwise for the game, very nice crowd for Community Day in thanks to to them for tremendous support of Hope College over the decades.  In addition, a very nice tribute and pre-game band performance (West Ottawa High School Band) to the 9/11 victims. 

WLC is a decent team, although I don't think they were as good or as big as they were last year.  Hope's offense finally got in sync; the offensive line did well, great running game and passing game was good.  Atwell missed a few passes, but overall was good.  Hope's defense showed they could finally make some good stops; defensive secondary did a good job - with the exception of giving up a long bomb TD again (they have simply got to stop doing that - it has happened now every year for the past 4 in these early games), however, again, the secondary was overall good, especially Warren with a nice INT to pretty much put the stop on WLC near the end of the game. 

This will be a nice evening and remainder of the weekend celebration for Kreps and Co., and while it gives a huge boost in confidence, still, Hope will have to continue to work hard and strive to now show some consistency and we will have to play steady in meeting some decent upcoming teams.  Realistically, one win does not realistically mean that the corner is turned, yet it is a huge start.  Millikin will not be a "pushover" next weekend, so staying focused is the key.  Anyway, again congrats to our team - a nice, well-deserved win to "get the monkey off our back" as that old cliche goes. ;D  We "press on" towards next week.

P.S.  BTW, slfzman...what's up with that i.e. no Mr. Ypsi?? :o   
Title: Q
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2011, 09:58:35 PM
DBQ1985:

Yes, sorry we missed connecting.  I looked for you, but got tied up with some game responsibilities.  We should have some additional opportunities with the next few upcoming home games.

I agree with your assesment, which is basically what I was attempting to explain in my post.  You made a great observation and one that I did forget to mention that, indeed, Hope's punter Thompson did a fantastic job - he had very strong and accurate kicks, both long and short when they were needed for the appropriate situation.  Extra points were good; one small "goof" in the 4th quarter with what seemed an ill-chosen on-sides kick for Hope after they scored, however, it was not an on-sides kick attempt but rather a poorly executed attempt at a squib kick :P ??? ::); although Hope almost recovered that.  Luckily, we were up by two TDs at that point. 

Anyway, we'll try connecting the next time, so let's not give up. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2011, 11:24:25 AM
Nice assesment on the Trine game, TUAngola.  I was also there and saw it pretty much the way you did.  Hargraves looked very good with the passes.  Although probably not the same zip as Watt, he made good decisions and found the open receivers.  I am going to try to make that my last comparison to Eric since he is gone and Hargraves is the guy.  :) The running game seemed mostly non-existent.  I do not know how much of that was Bluffton trying to force Trine to pass, or if the line is just not opening up the holes.  They seemed to provide great protection for Hargraves most of the time.   It is going to be an exciting season for sure!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2011, 11:40:16 AM
Hey Pat:

With Hope finally ending its losing streak of 24 consecutive non-conference game losses yesterday i.e. none since 2004, which is an incredible streak, do you know if this is the longest in history of DIII or at least having been the longest of recent?  Just curious if you had that info in your files.  Regardless, it still is great that we put an end to that most humbling run yesterday - finally. ;D :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
It's not a record I've kept track of but I will noodle it in my head and see if I can come up with anything.
Title: OLIVET
Post by: miaaol on September 11, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
Its been quite a long time since I have been on here but as a former MIAA player I try to keep tabs on whats happening in the conference.  What has happened to Olivet?  I read something today that said they have lost something like 28 games in a row!  They won the league a few years ago and before that had been very competitive since the Irv days.  Is Hulkow that bad or did the previous guy Livedoti leave it in that bad of shape? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 11, 2011, 03:16:07 PM
Here is a question: Trine has given up 40 points in 2 games while scoring 65, could the MIAA be closer than than many thought this year or is it just that Trine's first two opponents were that good? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2011, 03:24:00 PM
miaaol:

Unfortunately, Olivet has fallen back to their previous less competitive days.  This is, perhaps, the result of a multitude of factors that have contributed to the situation, both with regards to the administration, the academic/athletic recruitment program, etc.  In all fairness, Lividoti did not leave the program in disarray.  You have to remember that Olivet's most recent MIAA title (co-title) was under his reigns.  Olivet had made/has made some great strides in improving their athletic facilities so that they were no longer the "doormat" of the league, and much of that was thanks to some very, very generous alumni donars, along with $ that other Olivet alumni and community people kindly contributed to (in addition to adding other buildings to the campus).  They had also, under the leadership of former their former president, improved their academic programs and making a major effort to attract students and, at least for a couple of years as I recall, were over the 1,000 mark for enrollment, however, are not back down under that number the past 3-4 years.

Yet, with their former president abruptly leaving a year and a half ago (who was an Olivet alumn himself) and some other changes and, perhaps differences of opinion among remaining administration and athletic department personel, it has been a tough transition.  Also, in all fairness to Hulkow, I don't believe the tough football status right now is his fault entirely his fault.  Yet, at the same time, transition from coaching in the high school ranks is an entirely "different animal" than coaching in college, even at the DIII level.  One might argue that Siegler did it i.e. coming from a very successful career at several schools among the high school ranks, yet perhaps a difference was that he was an alumni player from Olivet.  Of course, some of the former staff under Livedoti and Siegler were kept on, and that was good, IMO. Yet, some other alumni coaching staff were obviously not (some Olivet alumni are on the staff as you can see on the website) and, of course, that was Hulkow's right and perogative to choose the staff he wanted.  Hulkow has brought several members of his high school staff on and a couple of them have Olivet connections i.e. are alums, which in one sense would seem to help in bringing some instant stability to a staff since he has worked with them for a long time, yet again, most of those coaches have been in the high school ranks for years, where as Siegler and Livedotti brought in some veteran coaches, who, while they had coached in the high school ranks, also had some previous collegiate experience.  It can be a tough situation either way i.e. people who have a history with the school and/or those that don't - I not intending this as any personal negative towards the current Olivet staff, because they are fine gentlemen and working hard.  But, I guess what I'm suggestion is that you have to have the "right chemistry". 

Olivet has only 68 players listed on their roster and much of those are new underclassmen.  One of the problems they've had for years in the past was the retention factor.  When you bring in 50 new players each year as they did for several years and then most of them are gone in two, it is a very difficult task to build a program.  What Siegler (and with Livedoti and Kubiak did), IMO, was somehow bring in the numbers as well as somehow stablize the retention rate, which really lends some stability to a program.  Anyway, hopefully, Olivet will return to a competitive level, although I think most people here figured it would take at least 3-4 years at the very least.  Similar situation at Kazoo as they have been trying build up their numbers with alumni coach Zorbo at the helm the last 2 years.

One final thought:  when you have the competitive recruiting now against all the DII and new(er) NAIA scholarship schools in your region, it obviously makes it a tougher sell.  The the upper tier MIAA schools as far as football success have suffered much with that, and it is only common sense that has affected the lower tier programs even worse.  Anyway, again, hopefully Olivet can eventually get back to a competitive level.  We'll see what happens.  They'll have to play the "spoiler role" in the MIAA this year I believe.

So, I know I haven't really answered your question, but rather have thrown out some general aspects and/or considerations/observations, albeit most being speculation, which may or may not be contributing or have contributed to the current situation.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 11, 2011, 05:07:57 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 11, 2011, 03:16:07 PM
Here is a question: Trine has given up 40 points in 2 games while scoring 65, could the MIAA be closer than than many thought this year or is it just that Trine's first two opponents were that good? :-\

I really think that it could be a true 4 team race for the top spot. Trine's defense needs to step it up bigtime!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 11, 2011, 05:17:13 PM
Hey guys, what a Saturday. Michigan State completely dominated UFA and the Michigan vs ND game...wow. Not really good from a technical standpoint but real exciting from a fan standpoint. It was a blast to be there, I know several of you went, was it incredible or what? 8-)

I had a friend tape the Trine vs Bluffton game because I miss getting to Angola. The internet is a wonderful thing, he uploaded it and I had it on my computer by 10am this morning. After watching the game a few times this afternoon it seems like both teams really struggled with establishing their run game, with Bluffton getting the slight edge with 2.4 yards per carry and 90 yards total versus Trines 1.8 yard per carry and 50 yards total. (Bluffton had 8 more rushing attempts then Trine)

Ryan looked good throwing to mostly open receivers (credit the receiver for getting the separation and then Ryan for finding them) though at times he missed wide open guys and choose to throw to his check. Hopefully with time he will improve.

Second half Bluffton figured out that Trines secondary is less then average and really took advantage of that. They also finally rushed more then three at Ryan and started to get to him. Thus only 14 points in the second half. If not for a complete coverage breakdown on Blufftons part (which seemed to be the norm) the game could have been close at the end.

A couple things, first off: good win for Trine. But this seemed to be a game of "which secondary can be worse". Neither were very good, but Bluffton gets the win there. I think Alma, Albion, and maybe anyone with a QB and a few good receivers will really play well against Trine offensively. Bluffton wasn't all that special yet if they had played the better QB, and threw in the first half, I think it would have been a close game with a shoot out on both secondary's.

Second, the front four of Trine are very good. They did a very good job of getting off initial contact and getting to the ball carrier, as well as getting to the edge.

Brown and Hence are very very good, they both work well in space. They will be the key to shutting down Trines offense. Ryan doesn't have the arm to put the ball in "tight horizontal space" or THS deep down field. This was fairly apparent. That said, he throws nice floaters against backers, and times his throws well with the routes ran. Most of his yardage came from yards after the catch. Again, this is taking nothing away from Ryan, I thought he played lights out. I was really impressed with his poise. 

Erics arm was never spectacular, but his timing was perfect. Ryan shows some of the same things.

All said, so far - Trine's really had two cup-cake opponents. If they played Albions pre-season schedule Trine would be 0-2 based on their performance both from a defensive and offensive standpoint.

If Trine legitimately wants to make a run at the NC someday, they're going to half to step up their schedule. At this point, I think Albion knows much more about their football team then Trine does about it's football team and I believe that will help Albion in the MIAA conference race. I give Albion a lot of credit, they maybe the best 0-2 team in country at the D3 level.

I think Wisconsin River Falls may be Trines first real test and they'll have to play much much better against a team that gave a good St. Thomas team (#4 nationally by d3football.com)  a run for their money.

I hope my thoughts don't come off to negative, because they're not intended to. This is just my opinion.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 11, 2011, 05:26:11 PM
ThunderHead,

Good post! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2011, 06:51:09 PM
ThunderHead:

Good post and appreciate your opinion.  Also, indeed, a fantastic game at U of M last evening.  I'm envious you were there in person!  I haven't been to a U of M game for years (in part, due to own football duties like your past), and I really miss those, my dad having been an U of M alum himself.  My parents had season tickets for years and we always went, however, they gave those up when my brother and I played in college so they could come to our games.  Anyway, I had essentially given up on U of M after ND scored at the end.  But...that just goes to show everyone that "it ain't over till it's over" as that old cliche goes. ;D ::) :P 

I would also join you in assessing the secondary's:  you mention Trine's needing much improvement; so does U of M's which was horrible last evening (and as they have been the last 4 years) and, our own Hope's secondary (with the exception of our Sr. safety) again showed their chronic Achilles heel in giving up the long bomb TD.  That has been one the main aspects that has really bothered me the past 4 years straight (not to mention what it does to our defensive coordinator and secondary coaches! ;D).

Anyway, as you mention, it will be interesting to see how the MIAA teams start doing once they start playing some better calibur teams than some have in the next few weeks; or at least the level within our own league competition.

Hope your new job aspects go well whenever you are supposed to start those (I recall you mentioned the move was delayed some by your company).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2011, 06:57:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
It's not a record I've kept track of but I will noodle it in my head and see if I can come up with anything.

Thanks Pat.  It will be interesting to see what the actual statistic is/was.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 11, 2011, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 11, 2011, 03:16:07 PM
Here is a question: Trine has given up 40 points in 2 games while scoring 65, could the MIAA be closer than than many thought this year or is it just that Trine's first two opponents were that good? :-\
Yes the MIAA is up for grabs this year.  Trine graduated a great senior class, 26 guys I beleive, that turned this program into a DIII power.  We are still finding our way.  The first 2 opponents were picked near the bottom of their conference (Heartland).  We won the first game against Manchester with our defense and yesterday's game was definitely the offenses day...at least passing the ball, it was pitch and catch all day.  Rushing the ball has been a weakness so far.  We have no "bruisers" at RB, all our guys are the scat back type.

The defense lost 7 starters.  But giving up the 40 pts in 2 games is a little misleading I think.  Against Manchester both their scores were after turnovers with a short field.  Against Bluffton we were up 31-0 before they started to click with their second string QB as they scored 4 touchdowns in the last 18 minutes of the game..  It was a combination of rotating a lot of defensive players yesterday in the 2nd half and perhaps not the intensity we had to start the game.  But to Bluffton's credit the backup QB is a player, not sure why he isn't their #1 guy.  Our safeties did not play well the 2nd half, both of their deep throws for TD's were wide open.  And our special teams didn't play well either.  We don't cover kickoffs very well and our kick return team made a mental mistake on an onside kick that we weren't expecting.

As Thunderhead said, we will find out more about our team this weekend when Wisconsin River Falls comes to Angola.  It will be a big challenge.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on September 12, 2011, 08:20:08 AM
For anyone wondering about the UM v ND game, it was an absolutely incredible experience.  I have never seen the big house that loud, excited, and packed that full (114,800). Even before the game, the atmosphere was electric. The ending of the game speaks for itself.  You don't need me to tell you it was an exciting finish.  Exciting doesn't even do that ending justice, it was almost indescribable how everything went down.  The big house was rocking for almost 30 minutes after the game before it started to clear out.  Needless to say, I left my voice in Ann Arbor and its going to be a quiet day at work. ;)

As for the Trine game, I am glad to see the passing game look much sharper than game 1.  Hopefully the running game can regain form for game 3.  Congrats to Hope, i know all those Dutch fans out there are glad to have that monkey off their backs.  Looks like the MIAA is going to be a dogfight this year, and I, for one, am looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on September 12, 2011, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: BoredatWork56 on September 12, 2011, 08:20:08 AM
For anyone wondering about the UM v ND game, it was an absolutely incredible experience.  I have never seen the big house that loud, excited, and packed that full (114,800). Even before the game, the atmosphere was electric. The ending of the game speaks for itself.  You don't need me to tell you it was an exciting finish.  Exciting doesn't even do that ending justice, it was almost indescribable how everything went down.  The big house was rocking for almost 30 minutes after the game before it started to clear out.  Needless to say, I left my voice in Ann Arbor and its going to be a quiet day at work. ;)


Fantastic game between two crappy, irrelevant football programs.  As The Onion correctly described before the '08 match-up: "Two of the most self-important programs in college football meet in this utterly unimportant early season game"
Of course, as a Spartan fan, the result Saturday scares me. ND is going to be out for blood, esp after last year. The Spartans are 10-4 against ND since 1997, including a streak 6 straight in South Bend that ended in 2009.

I am sure Coach Zorbo doesn't believe in moral victories, so Saturday's loss at Manchester had to hurt. I do like the direction they are headed. They are battling. I expect good things during the conference season.  This weekend will be a special one in Kalamazoo as they host Rose-Hulman under the lights at Waldo Stadium. It also marks the return of Jeff Sokol K'96, former wide-receiver, and first-year HC at RHIT.  He most recently was offensive coordinator at U Chicago. Sokol and Zorbo missed playing with each other by a year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 12, 2011, 03:27:58 PM
Story on the home page about Franklins tailgating was interesting.  They really have always had an interesting atmosphere as far as the tailgating goes.  As a Franklin player I would love having that crowd at the games.  As a visiting player however, we didnt always appreciate the beer getting thrown on us.  Franklin was always a very hostile place to play. 

I think Trine's tailgates draw some pretty amazing numbers but there could probably be more done to increase the commrodery amounst the tailgate.

One quick note on Trine's game this last weekend since a couple already touched on it.  I was VERY impressed with Ryan Hargraves this week!  From the first play of the game you could see he felt more comfortable in the pocket.  He also made much quicker and more accurate decisions in the throwing game and very rarely made the wrong read on which receiver to hit.  On one particular play I watched him drop back and check the #1 who slipped, he turned his head quick to #2 who was covered, and came all the way to the backside of the play to hit his #3 on a curl route.  I was really impressed by this play.  I've played in this offense and that #3 receiver on this play is hardley ever an option but Ryan did a great job working his way back to him.

Of course there were some bad things but Trine looks like they are just one missed block or one filled gap away from being solid all the way through.  Lets hope they put it all together this week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 12, 2011, 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 12, 2011, 03:27:58 PM
Story on the home page about Franklins tailgating was interesting.  They really have always had an interesting atmosphere as far as the tailgating goes.  As a Franklin player I would love having that crowd at the games.  As a visiting player however, we didnt always appreciate the beer getting thrown on us.  Franklin was always a very hostile place to play. 

I think Trine's tailgates draw some pretty amazing numbers but there could probably be more done to increase the commrodery amounst the tailgate.

One quick note on Trine's game this last weekend since a couple already touched on it.  I was VERY impressed with Ryan Hargraves this week!  From the first play of the game you could see he felt more comfortable in the pocket.  He also made much quicker and more accurate decisions in the throwing game and very rarely made the wrong read on which receiver to hit.  On one particular play I watched him drop back and check the #1 who slipped, he turned his head quick to #2 who was covered, and came all the way to the backside of the play to hit his #3 on a curl route.  I was really impressed by this play.  I've played in this offense and that #3 receiver on this play is hardley ever an option but Ryan did a great job working his way back to him.

Of course there were some bad things but Trine looks like they are just one missed block or one filled gap away from being solid all the way through.  Lets hope they put it all together this week.

After watching the game several times, and with the benefit of replay and slow motion  ;) I have to disagree with you here. Trine as an offensive unit averaged 1.8 yards per carry on 30 attempts last Saturday, and against two bottom dwelling teams in the Hartland Conference they have averaged 1.83 yards per carry on 60 attempts with a long of 13 yards in both contests.

If you look to the film, Trine is a long ways away from being "solid all the way through" and have much much more then "one missed block and one filled gap" to straighten out if this football team wants a serious crack at its fourth straight MIAA title.

It's also fairly evident that although the offense looked good Saturday, they only looked good for 2 quarters. When Bluffon decided to rush more then 3, they held the starting offense to just 14 points, while scoring 27 themselves. To complicate things, Bluffton's backup quarterback Tyler Wright went 14-15 for 175 yards and 2 touchdowns in the air, while averaging 4.8 yards on 8 carries with a long of 23 yards and a touchdown on the ground.

As a matter of reference, Bluffton's average snap in the 3rd quarter took place with 18 seconds on the play clock, by my count they left around 2 minutes and 45 seconds of the 3rd quarter on the field. Had they played like a team trailing, and managed the clock, things may have ended differently. As it stood, and despite their success, they moved to slow during the 3rd quarter to have a chance to catch Trine in the 4th.

Still, overall Trine's offense has played a dismal 6 quarters where they have scored only 21 points, and against a Manchester defense that Kalamzoo put 331 yards on in 72 plays, Trine managed just 238 yards of total offense on 71 plays.

While the bottom line is Trine got the win, and Kalamzoo didn't, it would be unwise to look at those statistics and simply brush them under the rug or drown them in the sea of blue Gatorade. 

In a race as close as the MIAA might be this season, I give a distinct edge to the 0-2 Albion Brits. They have played a tough non-conference and I fully believe they have less area's to "shore up" within their overall scheme. While Trine is 2-0 it's a very deceptive 2-0 from both an offensive and defensive standpoint.

While my fellow Trine fans may straight up smite the heck out of me :o these are just my thoughts on where Trine is at. I definitely hope Trine address these issues, and while I'm sure they will try, sometimes success can be a downfall. I hope that's not the case this season, and soon enough a good team will expose the weaknesses, and hopefully that will allow them to address them.

I'm not saying the coaching staff doesn't see the problems on film, and I'm not saying they won't attempt to address them, but overall I don't think Trine is a "great" football team right now, despite their 2-0 start. Still, they will compete for the conference championship, I just don't see them winning it this season. I hope I'm wrong, but as is - they just lack the fire power on both sides of the ball and I feel like a half way decent defense or disciplined offense will reveal exactly that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2011, 05:59:36 PM
Amazing, but perhaps not surprising aspect (at least not to Mr. Ypsi ;D).  Hope had about 3,200 in attendance for their home opener, which essentially was near the same as DI Eastern Michigan University in their first home game two weeks ago. (At Hope and others in our MIAA, (and now including Trine for regular season games), we get 4,000 or more for homecoming and the really big games.   Sadly, Eastern only had about 4,550 at their second home game this past Saturday against Alabama State.  (Last year, Eastern averaged about 15,500 per home game to meet the requirements for DI).  They will be playing in front of 110, 000 this Saturday when they invade nearby U of Michigan stadium.  Wow, what a contrast in playing experiences! :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
Congrats to Ryan Hargraves, MIAA Offensive player of the week!

http://www.miaa.org/fb/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 12, 2011, 08:16:01 PM
...and also Anthony Sabatella (Alma) and Clinton Orr (Albion). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 12, 2011, 08:23:06 PM
Just a few comments on the Hope game this past Saturday, after agreeing with the observations of both DBQ1965 & formerd3db......I just need to echo the thought that it was a big win for Hope...beyond just the win, getting rid of the losing streak monkey is a great thing for Dean and the rest of the staff who has been enduring it and a credit to the team and their effort to make it happen. It was also nice to see the progress from week 1. Although things are not nearly where they can and need to be, it was a substantially better performance than against IWU (although there were still periods of offensive inconsitency, key penalties and that darn big play by WLC did creep in there). I am looking forward to the continued effort, performance improvement, and seeing them coming together as a team for progressively improved results. Also, on an off the field observation, the band was a great add, and hopefully is something that can continue somehow, someway. My son said that the team noticed the added enthusiasm that it brought to the stadium. If anybody from Hope is listening...it does matter. We have 2 more challenging non-conference opponents coming up, followed by the league...a good win to celebrate, but there still lots of work still to do....and its time to get back at it and get ready to compete for another win against Milliken in the 'Orange out against cancer game' on Saturday......Go Hope!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2011, 08:42:53 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 12, 2011, 08:16:01 PM
...and also Anthony Sabatella (Alma) and Clinton Orr (Albion).

I was holding out to see if our Albion or Alma posters would get it.   ;)

Nice accomplishment for all three!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 12, 2011, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2011, 08:42:53 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 12, 2011, 08:16:01 PM
...and also Anthony Sabatella (Alma) and Clinton Orr (Albion).

I was holding out to see if our Albion or Alma posters would get it.   ;)

Nice accomplishment for all three!

I figured Uncle Rico, I wasn't trying to show you up. Just figured I'd post it when I seen it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 12, 2011, 09:33:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 12, 2011, 05:59:36 PM
Amazing, but perhaps not surprising aspect (at least not to Mr. Ypsi ;D).  Hope had about 3,200 in attendance for their home opener, which essentially was near the same as DI Eastern Michigan University in their first home game two weeks ago. (At Hope and others in our MIAA, (and now including Trine for regular season games), we get 4,000 or more for homecoming and the really big games.   Sadly, Eastern only had about 4,550 at their second home game this past Saturday against Alabama State.  (Last year, Eastern averaged about 15,500 per home game to meet the requirements for DI).  They will be playing in front of 110, 000 this Saturday when they invade nearby U of Michigan stadium.  Wow, what a contrast in playing experiences! :)   

To make matters worse, the  EMU game was moved to Sunday afternoon because of the storms that cut short the Michigan game that Saturday.  They offered free admission.  Attendance was 3,563... they had 4,771 for this past weekends game.

It should be pointed out EMU played FCS schools Howard and Alabama State, not exactly a big draw for any D1 program.

Howard went 1-10 the last two years, and Alabama State at least had a pulse going 7-5........so the answer is "Yes, Eastern can find cupcakes to play too"

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 12, 2011, 09:39:29 PM
sflzman, we'll have to be more specific next time!  I could swear (though I haven't gone back to check for sure) that you were planning to come over to the IWU tailgate at halftime, so I waited there.  Sorry we missed each other.

As to the game - quite frankly I kept waiting for IWU to do unto Alma as they did unto Hope (close at the half, then 28-0 in the second), but it never happened.  Don't sleep on Alma, folks; Henderson is for real (in the first half I thought they had slipped in Pierre Garcon as a ringer!)  Somehow we shut him down in the second, but he must have had over 150 yards by halftime!  And Mason is a beast!  He's listed in the program as 235, but that is a fantasy - I talked with a couple of our defensive linemen after the game (about 250-260 each) and they swore he was bigger than them!  If he EVER went down on the first hit, I can't recall it.  But thank goodness (as a Titan ;D) for his fumble (or defensive strip; I couldn't tell which) at the end: trailing by 8, Alma had first and goal from the four with under a minute left (and we all just KNEW that if the Scots punched it in, they would also convert the two, and anything can happen in OT).

Well played, Scots!  Until proven otherwise, Trine is still the favorite, and Adrian has looked quite impressive (especially on offense).  I haven't yet checked the schedules to see where those two play Alma, but IF in Alma I may take a flyer on the Scots in the Pickems!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 12, 2011, 09:44:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 12, 2011, 09:39:29 PM
sflzman, we'll have to be more specific next time!  I could swear (though I haven't gone back to check for sure) that you were planning to come over to the IWU tailgate at halftime, so I waited there.  Sorry we missed each other.

As to the game - quite frankly I kept waiting for IWU to do unto Alma as they did unto Hope (close at the half, then 28-0 in the second), but it never happened.  Don't sleep on Alma, folks; Henderson is for real (in the first half I thought they had slipped in Pierre Garcon as a ringer!)  Somehow we shut him down in the second, but he must have had over 150 yards by halftime!  And Mason is a beast!  He's listed in the program as 235, but that is a fantasy - I talked with a couple of our defensive linemen after the game (about 250-260 each) and they swore he was bigger than them!  If he EVER went down on the first hit, I can't recall it.  But thank goodness (as a Titan ;D) for his fumble (or defensive strip; I couldn't tell which) at the end: trailing by 8, Alma had first and goal from the four with under a minute left (and we all just KNEW that if the Scots punched it in, they would also convert the two, and anything can happen in OT).

Well played, Scots!  Until proven otherwise, Trine is still the favorite, and Adrian has looked quite impressive (especially on offense).  I haven't yet checked the schedules to see where those two play Alma, but IF in Alma I may take a flyer on the Scots in the Pickems!

Shoot, I went to the IWU bleachers and when I could not find someone matching your description I walked back around to check by the concessions and the bathrooms.

The best place to meet would probably be by the victory bell in the southeast corner of the stadium near the gates.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 12, 2011, 09:56:52 PM
sflzman, Saturday got so unexpectedly hot in the sun (I was worried about rain and instead got quite a sunburn!) that there is no way I was staying in the stands over halftime!  I sat in the shade of a parent's RV.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 12, 2011, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 12, 2011, 09:56:52 PM
sflzman, Saturday got so unexpectedly hot in the sun (I was worried about rain and instead got quite a sunburn!) that there is no way I was staying in the stands over halftime!  I sat in the shade of a parent's RV.

Mr. Ypsi - it was unbelievably hot in EL too. Weatherman have the ultimate job. They can be wrong and still not get fired. Lucky people.                     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2011, 11:00:04 PM
sac:
Well, they won't have a cupcake this Saturday! ;D

Mr. Ypsi:
Had a great time at the campfire cookout on Friday evening.  Yes, indeed, it was hot over at Hope as well; moreso than they predicted.  I had planned for rain also; yet we were lucky that there was a nice breeze throughout the game, otherwise, it would have been too hot/too humid.

sflzman:
Okay, then when we come up for the Oct 1st game, the Victory Bell can be the rendezvous place.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 13, 2011, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 12, 2011, 11:00:04 PM
sflzman:
Okay, then when we come up for the Oct 1st game, the Victory Bell can be the rendezvous place.

Sounds like plan for haltime :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 14, 2011, 11:39:51 AM
How will Trine do against UW-RF. The Pickem's are mixed thus far? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 14, 2011, 12:12:37 PM
Can someone give me some specifics about Adrian? They look pretty strong so far (a real MIAA contender what what it looks like), but I'd like to have some detail about their first few games besides the scores.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 14, 2011, 08:41:51 PM
Anthony Sabatella named to the d3football.com Team of the Week for Week 2.

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2011/09/14/sabatellaTOW2
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 15, 2011, 09:39:13 AM
This week's MIAA results could really be a great indicator of how the conference race may shape up! We'll
see! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 15, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
Raider, I agree. If UWRF defeats Trine like I think they will, then it will really show that Adrian, Albion, and Alma will have a chance to win the conference.

For those 4 Teams here are, IMO, the must-win games:

Adrian/Trine: Oct. 1, Adrian @ Trine. Trine needs to make a statement and defeat Adrian at home to start league play. Adrian must prove they can win a tough game on the road, because to win the conference, you're going to have to.

Albion: Oct. 8, Alma @ Albion. Albion needs to win at home against rival Alma. They will have to take care of buisness at home to win the league.

Alma: Oct. 1, Hope @ Alma. The Scots must win at home against a Hope team that should battle Kzoo for the 5 spot. You cannot afford to start league play with a loss at home to a team you should beat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on September 15, 2011, 11:12:07 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 15, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
Raider, I agree. If UWRF defeats Trine like I think they will, then it will really show that Adrian, Albion, and Alma will have a chance to win the conference.

Has Trine really declined in one season to a point that you feel the preseason predicted last place team in the WIAC will defeat them? And on the road with a new coach, for that matter?  That  would be a massive drop in a very short period of time; not the kind of result a supposed team on the rise finds themselves going through. Just curious, are your feelings based solely on Trine stumbling so far this year or do you think River Falls is that much improved from the team Trine beat rather handily last year, or a combination of the two? Does it all come down to Trine not being able to replace their outstanding QB? My apologies if you've posted about this previously.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 15, 2011, 02:39:44 PM
Welcome BoBo,

I think everyone is a little suprised at the step back they have seen Trine take this year.  I dont think it is a huge step back but simply the perceptions that everyone had going into this season are not being met.

Last week Trine showed vast improvements on many levels and in the game of football you must be getting better from week to week.  I think River Falls will be a better test than they have seen yet this year but if Trine continues to improve week to week I think they will preform well this weekend and really begin hitting their stride going into conference play!

Side note, Matt Land has not lost a home game starting with his final 2 home games in his first year!  He understands the importance of protecting the home turf and I expect the players to be reflecting that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 15, 2011, 04:01:13 PM
I expect Trine to win.  Although not living up to the expectations of the fans so far, I don't think there has been as big a drop off as imagined.  If the game was against OshKosh or LaCrosse I would be far more concerned if I were a Trine fan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 15, 2011, 04:07:22 PM
I struggled with the Pickem's. Especially Trine.

My thoughts are Trine isn't very good right now. I've stated why and done my best to back it up with factual data. Trine will improve, but I'm impressed with how Wis. RF has handled St Thomas. Trine has really played no one.

As far as Coach Land, I don't think I've ever seen or heard a coach say "hey home field isn't important" so - I'm not really sure where you're going there Boya. I think every team wants to win at home, as does every coach.

Side note: It's Thursday already: Roll Call  ;D

Might make the first bit of Trine then it's off to South Bend for MSU vs ND.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
Even looking at the WIAC pickems, I'm surprised on the number of people that picked UWRF to win this game. I can't tell if they are being WIAC homers, or if they truly believe UWRF is the better team.

I think Trine wins this one by a couple of TDs, especially being at Angola.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 15, 2011, 04:32:43 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 15, 2011, 11:12:07 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 15, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
Raider, I agree. If UWRF defeats Trine like I think they will, then it will really show that Adrian, Albion, and Alma will have a chance to win the conference.

Has Trine really declined in one season to a point that you feel the preseason predicted last place team in the WIAC will defeat them? And on the road with a new coach, for that matter?  That  would be a massive drop in a very short period of time; not the kind of result a supposed team on the rise finds themselves going through. Just curious, are your feelings based solely on Trine stumbling so far this year or do you think River Falls is that much improved from the team Trine beat rather handily last year, or a combination of the two? Does it all come down to Trine not being able to replace their outstanding QB? My apologies if you've posted about this previously.  ;)

My pick was made considering the fact of how close and how many points have been given up against two not very good teams in Manchester and Bluffton
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2011, 04:36:38 PM
In the last four seasons the MIAA has one cumulative win vs the WIAC......last year's Trine victory.  The record is something like 1-7, many of them not really close.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 15, 2011, 04:52:08 PM
I picked Trine in the pickem, but wouldn't be at all shocked with a WRF win.

If Trine win's it may be by a few points, and I don't see it being a a big win by either team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2011, 06:06:50 PM
I agree with Boya's comment about home field advantage, and it should not be dismissed casually.  Of course every team wants to win at home, but Trine has done it.  Wanting to do it and actually doing it are two different things.  Trine has very good turnouts for their games (I believe top 10 in the nation) and having attended more than a couple home games I can speak from experience when I say it is a factor that works for Coach Land and Trine.

I think that people might mistake a lack of domination in these pre-season (aka non-conference) games as a sign of total weakness and failure.  I see it as a learning period with a number of new starters learning the system.  I also see it as a learning period for the coaches, evaluating who they have and where they need to be.  If someone says I am drinking the blue gatorade, that is fine...I will order it by the gallon.  :)  Because the people selling it have shown they can do it.  The coaches have a track record of making a winning program from the ground up, and I believe they have more overall talent than the year they won their first MIAA championship.  I'll be more concerned when the conference schedule starts.  For now, continue working on the machine to get it running full speed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2011, 07:04:13 PM
bizarre game, worth the read

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Arkansas-power-leads-team-29-0-before-it-can-tou?urn=highschool-wp5870
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 15, 2011, 09:12:46 PM
Uncle Rico, I don't disagree with what you're saying.

My point was that I don't think any coach under values their home field. And wanting to win at home is the start of actually winning at home. Just because a team doesn't win at home, doesn't mean that team "want's" it less. Trine's attendance has been awesome, however if I remember correctly, I think they won even before people started showing up for Trine games and it was a "popular" thing to do in Angola.

And I don't think a lack of domination in the pre-season is a sign of weakness, however I do believe strength of schedule is something to consider. These are teams that should be dominated in most aspects. And to say they have been, isn't accurate either. Especially with a ground game averaging 1.83 yards per carry on 60 attempts through two games.

I will fully help you out though Uncle Rico - considered your gallon of the below ordered.  ;) I'm just not quite ready to make that order yet myself.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2011, 09:40:52 PM
I remember the first season under Coach Land, at Shive Field when it was still grass.  Even then the crowds seemed large.  Bigger than what I was seeing at other sites.  I felt there was a lot of enthusiasm right from the start.  As a parent, we were caught up in the energy / passion of what he brought. 

Trine only beat Manchester 16-14 in 2009, at Manchester, when Trine went 6-0 in the MIAA.  I just don't put a whole lot of stock into the first couple of games, as long as they are ready by the time conference play begins. 

My coaching experience is limited to simply youth football (which is an experience in itself!  :) ) but how much of the running game struggles are the result of opponents stacking the defense to stop the run and daring the new QB to pass?  Just wondering out loud.  If I were Bluffton that is what I would have done based on what I saw at Manchester.  Hopefully the success that Hargraves had will keep the confidence up, and a good passing performance might open the run up.  I still have to believe that with an All Conference back like Biller in there the run should be more of a threat.  I agree I would like to see more of that, but maybe the coaches already know what they have there and don't feel the need to show it.  I just don't know....

I did not notice this until someone else pointed it out that Trine was substituting a fair amount on defense in the second half of the Bluffton game.  Perhaps that contributed to a slight shift in momentum for Bluffton.  Also, with the early big lead, I have to think that Trine might have experimented around a little more in their personel and play calling.  Sitting in the stands, I don't think most of us were too worried about a comeback.

Keep that gallon ordered...I like to keep my glass half full and not half empty!   :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 15, 2011, 10:36:24 PM
Uncle Rico,

I see what you're saying. But I don't think the defensive personal had to much to do with Bluffton's success. The kid went 14-15 and accounted for 3 scores as a QB in the second half. All said, had he played the entire game, I think things would have been different. Bluffton, for whatever reason, never challenged the secondary in the 1st half despite success to the shallow flats and interior seams.

This all said, I'm surprised by Billers performance thus far, and I do agree team's stack the box, as well they should against Trine. I think a good secondary will allow good teams to be fairly successful against Trine with that philosophy. Thus far, they haven't seen a team with a good secondary yet. I think WRF may provide that first test.

And if you coached youth football, much credit to you.  8-) I hear youth parents are much worse then their college counterparts. And Uncle Rico - you definitely strike me as a "glass half full" kind of guy.  ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2011, 10:43:08 AM
Uncle Rico, ThunderHead and BOYA:

Good comments.  It will be interesting to see how Trine does in this game.  From my recollections, WRF is a tricky team to figure out.  Despite their not so good record in past years,  I remember a couple of times some years back, they were not supposed to be very good, but kicked the tar out of us (when I was associated with another team ;D).  Anyway, as you and Raider68 have mentioned, this weekend will be a further indication as to how our MIAA teams might fare for the season, even though the league race will most likely be close as often happens and despite Trine having beaten up on the rest of us the past 4 years ;D ;)

Also, ThunderHead and Uncle Rico, indeed, coaching at the different levels has become a somewhat tough job when it comes to parents.  I commend you Uncle Rico in coaching youth football - I have always wanted to do that and will some day, however, just haven't had the time to do it.  I've always thought having a positive influence on kids that age will be a satisfying experience personally, aside from the fact that you are helping those kids as well as the actual fun in teaching those "little guys".  However, the parents are a different story and, that includes college parents of players as well, as ThunderHead and I know.  While parents obvious are proud of their sons (and should be) it never ceases to amaze me how out of context and reality some parents can be about their son's talent level, expectations and, in reality, what is really important.  Some parents are way-out-of-line and over-the-top in that regard and, I that is no different for some parents whether they are at the DIII level or DI level as I'm sure ThunderHead can attest.  I know that at the DIII level from my coaching experience and other experiences at that level, not only the parents, but even some of the players have attitudes that are completely unacceptable and respond to coaches in most inappropriate ways and how you and I would have never done so "back in our day".  I was totally taken "aback" with some of that and it is a sad reflection of how some react in today's society (a fault that can be attributed to the parents sadly).  However, I am not saying that all players and parents are like that because they obviously are not and I've seen many wonderful parents and players who have their priorities intack and are nothing but the best and great people to know and players to coach in all aspects (manners, respect, cooperation, etc., etc. yet still competitive in the appropriate ways).  So anyway, sorry for this perhaps rambling off topic commentary, yet I guess my thoughts on this were sparked by your mention of coaching youth football; again, I want to do that someday and will, although I'm not looking forward to having to deal with some parents who will undoubtably have totally unrealistic expectations about their sons and/or simply be "just complainers".  However,...that just comes with the job/territory. 

Anyway,, good luck to everyone's teams tomorrow.  I'm hoping the weather will be as nice as it was for last weekend's games.  Hope plays at home again tomorrow against CCIW Millikin in the annual Cancer benefit game.  We'll be wearing special orange jerseys, which will be a different experience for a Hope team (although I will say that I think those will be a better sight as far as color than the purple ones we had last year ;D).  Regardless, it obviously is a worthy cause.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 16, 2011, 11:36:48 AM
formerd3db,

Good post, and I think what Hope does with the game as a cancer benefit is an expectational thing. I hope you draw well.

Regarding parents, I don't have any experience at the D3 level, but at the D2 and D1 level, the parents are to an extent a part of the process. I understand a parents view-point, most of the time the kids are real with their parents on how they really feel about school, class, playing time, ect, and as kids they won't approach the coaching staff early on.

So sometimes a mother and father hear a view-point from their child that they feel needs to be defended. I have no issue with this, and most of the time, it's great to hear what's really going on with the kid. Other times a parent has seen all the sacrifice a kid has put into the sport, and they may not feel like we are treating him fairly. If that's the case, I also have no problem hearing from mom or dad. After all, they know their kid the best and have a tremendous amount of vested interest in him.

As such, it's no secret that as coaches we recruit the parents as well or more so then the athlete, so if a kids in a situation he hates, often the parents feel like somehow they made a mistake too, and should have known better. They perhaps "signed off" on us as a staff or the school itself, and now they're dealing with a son who feels like he's made the wrong choice, so it's only natural for them to feel that way too. Thus, a call to the coaches or a face to face meeting. For a coach not to see the value in a parents thoughts (within reason, as 95% of them are), or to "blow off parents" is pure arrogance in my opinion. Most parents are doing what's right by their kid as best they know. I can't blame them for that.

This all said, by the time a kids a sophomore he generally feels comfortable enough with the school, his team mates, and the coaching staff to vent his frustration directly to us. And that's a sign of both comfortableness and maturity.

At least the D1 level, it's rare for us to disagree with parents on a kids talent level or to think a kid is less talented then originally evaluated.  That's not to say guys always pan out as we all know, some - for for whatever reason aren't successful, but generally if they're on a full ride, they were thought of very highly from a talent standpoint. As a position coach, you don't get many "misses". 98% of the time the issue is figuring out how to get a kid to compete at the level he is capable of.

Perhaps the biggest difference between the college level and the youth level is this; at the college level it's often the case that the kid has incredibly high expectations himself. At 19 and 20, he's not playing because dad or mom is making him play. He's playing because he wants to compete at the highest of level.

Now youth football coaches - they're the true champions. They deal with parents who have insane expectations AND the power to force their kids play, leaving the coaches with unmotivated kids. To coach a kid who wants to be there is hard enough, to coach a kid who doesn't... ::)

Like I said, props to you Uncle Rico and the rest of you who coach youth ball, and I'm sure formerd3er,  you'll make a great youth coach someday. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
ThunderHead:

Allow me to return the compliment - you made an excellent post.  Thanks for sharing your insight and opinions from you own coaching experience.  I agree with what you say.  I would only add that (and I'm sure you know this as well) at the DI and DII level as well there are times when a kid is overlooked i.e. someone not recruited (or if they were, not given much of a priority) who really are the type who will eventually succeed at that level IF they are given the chance.  Of course, some would call those overachievers, however, IMO, that is not always the case.  They are simply players who, for whatever reason, did not get the limelight attention, yet are just as good as some of their fellow teammates who get the higher attention and thus, more recruited. 

One other aspect that I was attempting to allude to with the "attitude" aspect is simply this...when I coached in college, one of the aspects that really was something I disliked was the "disrespect" attitude.  By that I mean, when you and I played, if a coach, or trainer or team doc, etc.,etc. told you/or asked you to do something, you did it.  In today's society, it is unfortunate that many players (not all, of course) will "face you" and display outright disrespect whether it be by action, word, or whatever.  In my book, that is completely unacceptable and unfortunatley, there are many parents who support their kids even when they are wrong (that is naturally perhaps as you have excellently explained), but also in that sometimes (again not all) the coaching staff does not take the apppropriate steps to, well...let's say hold the player accountable for such behavior, perhaps because he is one of the top players.  Now, before you jump on me for this, I will say that is rare as most head coaches (and their staff) will not put up with this, however, I have seen this happen and heard from many sources that it occasionally happens.  It is only natural, but thankfully, less common.  Anyway, thanks for your perspective.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2011, 01:42:52 PM
I coached youth for a number of years, and later served as president of our youth program.  I could probably write a book about it but will spare everyone the details.  It is all that you all have mentioned and more.  If done right, it is the most rewarding experience you can have, helping to foster a love of the game in these kids right from the beginning.  A bad coach can ruin a kids football experience and turn them away forever.  I think that is true in all youth sports and I do not think enough attention is given by many youth organizations towards promoting the development of youth coaches.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 16, 2011, 01:59:13 PM
FormerD3er,

I completely agree with your thoughts on kids being "overlooked". Most of the time, at least at the D1 level, that's by complete accident and sometimes ignorance. No one likes to be labeled the guy that overlooked Flacco, Farve, Rice, or Rothelsburger.

I personally think there are plenty of kids that are getting over looked right now on several rosters at all three levels of NCAA football. And so often, when a kid is being over looked, he goes to his parents, especially early on. I remember getting call from an uncle of an athlete who was #4 on my depth chart at his boundary corner position. His uncle told me he felt I wasn't giving him the opportunity to compete against the first team. While my pride told me the uncle didn't know what he was talking about, my anger made me put the kid out there against our best wide-out (now in the NFL) about 3 hours later in practice. In my mind I thought "I'll show this kid exactly why he's number 4".

Well wouldn't you know it, the kid could flat out play, he went from the #4 to the #2 at the boundary corner over night, then Saturday our #1 came down wrong on his ankle, and all of a sudden the kids in the game. He ended it with 2 ints and 6 tackles, he never saw the bench again.

I learned a valuable lesson that week, the kid wasn't reaching his potential because he thought I had already threw him to the wind. In part he was right, and had it not been for his Uncle he might have transferred at the end of the year and I would have lost a great athlete. 

From that point on I took parents, uncles, coaches, whoever the kid was close too, very seriously. My job as a coach was to get the most out of every athlete I had, and if a kid feels I'm being unfair I want him to see what I see, and not be discouraged. I want him to know there is a path that will lead to his success if he's willing to follow it. If it takes someone else telling me "hey my kids not happy coach" that gives me an avenue to get past the mask of "everything's fine". I don't expect a 19-20 year old kid to be as mature as a 26-27 year old who has experience dealing with full time coaches. Some of the best conversations I had with guys I've coached have stared with "so I hear you're not real happy with me and the situation here...."

Regarding respect, I often think that's a tone that's set by the head coach. I've worked for guys that players simply didn't respect, and because they didn't respect the head coach, they had trouble respecting us as assistants. At the same time I've seen head coaches who run a tight ship, and 9 out of 10 times the respect from athletes carried over to the assistants, trainers, doctors, ect... They just thought "this must be how it's suppose to be"

But in the end it's all about the kid and how he matures through his college years. Entitlement versus privileged is something some kids have yet to understand. Generally I only had issues with the kids who felt they were good enough to not work hard. I always loved a guy who wasn't great, but had a chip. It's with those kind of guys championship teams are built on.  8-) I love the scrappers.

Uncle Rico

I agree with you completely regarding your last line. The reality is not even most high school coaches really know how to "coach a kid up" to the level the kid wants to play. It's so important they're taught the correct fundamentals at an early age. Whatever you tell that 10 year old to do, he will do repetitively. If it's incorrect, you've done more harm then good. I don't think any youth coach wants that and educating them is the first step.

At every program I've been at the doors especially have been open to youth coaches. To any youth coach out there, during the off season, I highly recommend you send out a few emails to local D1, D2 and D3 programs, you might be incredibly surprised at the response you get. As far as the material I have, don't hesitate to PM me if you need too. Over the years I've had opportunity to collect a lot of good material, I'd be happy to pass it along to those of you still inspiring people on the field.  8-)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 16, 2011, 02:47:08 PM
I am pulling for Trine, but it will a close good game, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 16, 2011, 02:51:00 PM
formerd3db,

Great posts again, good insight. This could be a real good opportunity for your alma mater this Saturday, Hope they get the W! +K  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 16, 2011, 03:22:17 PM
As a fan who follows basketball more than football, I have seen the same thing numerous times.  Kids get "overlooked"  sometimes.  But I also think part of this can be due to their high school coach and team too. 

No slam meant against high school coaches - there are plenty of them that do an outstanding job of coaching and building better young men and young women.  My hat off to them!!

There are kids however, who simply don't have a good fit with their coach - it just doesn't click.  That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the coach or the kid necessarily, although there are some high school coaches who are in over their heads.  High school kids, for the most part, get whatever coach they get through no choice of their own.  So if the "fit" isn't good, the kids performance is going to be affected.

Fast forward to college, and many/most of these kids were recruited by the coach - so they have some idea of what he is like, his coaching style, etc.  I've talked to many a kid whose college decision was partially or even entirely based on the coach they would get to play for.  Now this kid (who in high school was un-noticed) flourishes and appears to have been "overlooked".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 16, 2011, 04:38:40 PM
Good thread of conversation today.

Thunderhead first of all +1 for you ( you need the help  ;D) on the Karma great insight and comments about coaching.

As a coach for 4 decades plus, I can say one thing for sure.
All kids and stories are different.
Our job as a coach is to teach these young men to be Great Young Men!
Along the way they will learn football in the proper technique. breaking down to make a tackle, position, strength, toughness, heart, effort, commitment, TEAMWORK etc....

There is no excuse for dis-respecting a coach or any member of the staff, coaching or otherwise.
No excuse, they were and are off the team, possibly and I mean possibly we would let them try to "earn" their way back. Broke a lot of young mans "attitude" that is your job, football is short your reputation and your word are what you will be in life. Learn it now kid before your "tude" costs you a job, a friend, a wife

In regards to "diamonds in the rough" or players being overlooked unfortunatley it happens every year. I would say the reasons for this varies: coaching, recruiting, evaluaction, the young man just finally has reached the point were he mentally or physically can now perform at the required level to be noticed. The step from Middle School to HS, the step from HS to College Ball require a lot for these young men. Emotionally, Physically, some grow in mind and maturity, some grow physically so much, it changes the equation.

Parents as well pointed out in Uncle Rico's , Thunders, and D3DB comments highlight playing a critical positive or negative roll in these young mans life.
I know many a young man whose sole reason for playing FB was their family dynamics and pressure. Tough spot for the young men, putting your heart time and health on the line is not easy when your heart is not truley in it.
Of course I have been part of the most heart warming events of a young man who grows and pushes himself to be all he can, the parents being integral to the young mans heart and effort.

Football is a great lesson for not only for these young men we have the honor to coach, but those of us whom truley love the sport and the journey every season is.

Have a great weekend guys, I am out have a game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2011, 06:16:32 PM
D306, ThunderHead, Uncle Rico, FDF - indeed, excellent points and conversation here today and, in reality, the essence of what this i.e. football is all about.  Everyone's experience as a player and a coach parallels the others and each of you have explained all the facets invovled in such endeavors, not only for each of us personally, but the youth and other young men whose lives we've influenced.  Each of you have said it better than I, yet perhaps D306 sums it up for all of us when he mentions the entitlement vs. privilege aspect AND what defines you essentially and eventually as a person and human being in your life.  We all love football (and in the case of sac and FDF - basketball too ;D :D :)) and although these are basically just games, they are so much more than that as you have said.  It prepares us for the rest of our lives and I couldn't agree more with D306 when he asserts the importance of reputation and your word.  Perseverence and dedication are among the list of characteristics that football gives us, yet integrity (i.e. again reputation and your word) I dare say is the most important and the prize in life.  For me, my most favorite quote, that of Grantland Rice says it all in that regard, beyond all the fundamentals, Xs and Os and great plays any of us or our players have ever made.

Thanks for a great discussion to all- this may have been one of the best ever here that I can remember.  +k for all of you. All of you have a great weekend.

P.S. BTW, congrats Raider68 on your 500 k+! :)  You don't get those for nothing.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 17, 2011, 05:26:30 PM
Final:  TU 42 UWRF 20

Good win for the Thunder.  Big plays do it again for the Thunder.  Four of our five TD's were from 30 yards or longer, including a kickoff return for a TD by Hence and a fumble return for a TD.  River Falls dominates in the first half...but...Trine leads 21-3 at half.  Turnovers hurt them in the first half as they fumbled in the endzone for a touchback and also gave up the fumble return for a TD which was a great play by Trine DB Puryear who wrapped up a Falcon after a short pass and ripped the ball from him as he was going down and scampered for a 70 yd TD.  Offensively Trine pretty much stunk it up in the first half; we didn't get our initial first down until midway thru the 2nd quarter.  However, have to give the boys credit for running the 2 minute drill very effectively at the end of the half to score and go up 21-3.

Trine plays better in the 2nd half with 2 more big runs putting us up 35-6 going into the 4th.  Biller finally broke a big one...and it broke the Falcons at the same time.  They had us pinned at our own 6 and Biller busts one up the middle and outraces everyone for the score.  Inge had another big run for Trine for a TD.  Good to see the running game get going in the 2nd half, but still lots of work to do there.  4th quarter saw River Falls block a punt for a TD and then their stud running back Edwards had a TD.  Edwards by far the best RB I've seen play in person against us.  He was a stud, could run away AND over us, think he ended up with 240 yds on 35 carries.  I think if UWRF could have played from in front they may not have had to pass as we did not have an answer for Edwards.

Rausch and Blackport got a few snaps at QB in the 4th quarter. Big cheer when Blackport came in but it was in mop up duty and he didn't get an opportunity to pass.   Hargraves had a mediocre game.  Had a couple picks and had some throws where guys were open and his passes were short.  Total yards ended up fairly even.  Trine had big advantage in overall team speed, other than Edwards.  Crowd was around 3000 again, I counted only 30 fans making the trip from River Falls.  It got a little hot in the sun again, and I am feeling it with a nice burn on my face and arms. :)  Week off before facing first big conference game against Adrian.  Tough game today but again Thunder finds a way to come out on top.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 17, 2011, 07:46:36 PM
Adrian had a big win today over Augustana.  17-14.  Last seconds field goal!  NICE JOB BULLDOGS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2011, 08:14:46 PM
Unfortunately, Hope returned to its past ways today with a very disappointing loss to Millikin.  In the overall view of the game, Hope could have won the game easily, yet after a very good almost full first half with moving the ball and enthusiasm, untimely mistakes cost us the game.  After a fumble on a drive at somewhere around the 15 yard line of Millikin which stopped a potential drive (after Hope was up 3-0), a second drive ended with a fumble at the Millikin 1 yard line that definitely cost us a score.  Then Millikin scoring on a long, sustainded drive to go ahead put a huge dent in the enthusiasm and attitude, which basically went down hill from there for Hope for the rest of the game. 

Hope had great blocking and rushing yardage today; passing game was off and our secondary gave up too many long passes.  Millikin's QB had a very strong and pretty accurate arm, their team hit hard and pressed us for the entire game, even though they were smaller in size overall in comparison to our linemen.  Although they will probably be mid tier in the CCIW, it was a good win for them, a terrible and disappointing loss for us, especially after last week's win.  A win today would have been a huge boost even more.  Hope will now have to regroup for the game against Lakeland, WI at their place next week.  Nonetheless, I feel somewhat deflated after today's loss and also for the coaching staff and our players.  But...you can't coach "not making mistakes". :'( ::) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 17, 2011, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: ForeverFootball on September 17, 2011, 07:46:36 PM
Adrian had a big win today over Augustana.  17-14.  Last seconds field goal!  NICE JOB BULLDOGS!

Welcome to the board! +K
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 17, 2011, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 17, 2011, 08:14:46 PMMillikin's QB had a very strong and pretty accurate arm, their team hit hard and pressed us for the entire game, even though they were smaller in size overall in comparison to our linemen.  Although they will probably be mid tier in the CCIW, it was a good win for them, a terrible and disappointing loss for us, especially after last week's win.

Millikin will likely be closer to the bottom of the CCIW than the middle.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 17, 2011, 10:01:59 PM
Hey all, I hope everyone had a great Saturday. I didn't make it to Trine as I wanted to get to South Bend early.

Heard the Thunder did well. Thanks TUAngola for the update. I am not sure if my old neighbor was able to set up a camera or not, but if he did I'll be excited to see the film.

Good win, again I hope everyone had a great Saturday, it was an awesome day for football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 17, 2011, 10:04:20 PM
Thanks slfz.  I love Karma!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 17, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
Does anyone know...was Albion off today?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: ForeverFootball on September 17, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
Does anyone know...was Albion off today?

Here's our Albion schedule page: http://www.d3football.com/teams/Albion/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 17, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
the simple answer is: yes.

but nice to get a link.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2011, 11:27:18 PM
Welcome to the board ForeverFootball.  +k to help get you started! :)

Gregory Sager:
Obviously, you know better than I about the CCIW team assesments.  However, I will say that Millikin did look very good offensively today, so they might just surprise some of their CCIW opponents.  Their problem will be stopping the better offenses.  Hope ran fairly easily against them i.e. ones that are a "complete offense" in sustaining both passing and running.  Again, Hope's offensive line did a great job today and our running backs are not "shabby" ;D); one of the problems today (aside from mistakes) was lack of a sustainable passing game with some receivers who can make those tough catches, something that Hope has had in past years, but is having a tough time with this year.  Anyway, you will highly likely be right in predicting Millikin's eventual disposition in the league as those games play out, but they didn't look like a "real cruddy team" today, IMO. ;D  We should/could have beaten them today, but did not make the plays and too many mistakes to do that.  They deserved the win today. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2011, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 17, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
the simple answer is: yes.

but nice to get a link.

Well, when people come in asking questions that we have this entire website built for the last 12-plus years to answer, I figure they should learn about the resources we already provide them. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2011, 11:56:03 PM
Another disappointing aspect from today:  attendance.  There were considerably less spectators in the home side seating (and even less on the endzone hill) today as compared to last week and that was surprising to me as I thought we'd have a similar crowd as last week because of winning that game (and that even despite the fact that it was the annual Community Day last Saturday).  I (wrongly) estimated that there were about 2200 or so in attendance (as compared to the about 3200 from last week), however, was surprised to see in the posted game stats/box score this evening that attendance was a dismal (IMO) 1400. :-X Ouch.  Also, there goes the chance of averaging about at least 3,000 per game this season as I had hoped might be possible.  Oh well. 

P.S.  Good point, Pat! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 17, 2011, 11:57:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2011, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 17, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
the simple answer is: yes.

but nice to get a link.

Well, when people come in asking questions that we have this entire website built for the last 12-plus years to answer, I figure they should learn about the resources we already provide them. :)

Sorry Pat, my bad.  :-[

It's just I kinda thought a forum was good spot for a question. While I agree you have the info posted, I imagine it's on Albion's web site as well, or the miaa web site.

Most of the questions I ask can probably be answered through some research on my part, but alias sometimes I just get lazy and ask someone else, so with that said, I felt for the guy and figured I'd just answer it. (you know, paying it forward, just to show him some love.)  8-)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2011, 11:58:28 PM
+1 there's no problem with both ways of welcoming the new guy. Welcome, ForeverFootball!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2011, 12:00:32 AM
That's okay, ThunderHead.  I probably would have done the same thing too since he is a new guy to the board, although, again, I also support Pat in promoting his site here.  I admit that even I am still learning about maneuvering around on it here. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 18, 2011, 12:15:35 AM
ForeverFootball - welcome to the board. I'll K+ you as well.

As the resident trouble maker on the MIAA site, I'm most qualified to answer your question about people taking away karma.

People can "smite" you, or in other words, not like your post. As you can tell, people like to "smite" me and sometimes I deserve it. ;)

I was at -7 or something not long ago so maybe with luck, I'll get back into the positive before Christmas.

Also - this board is full of knowledgeable people, and they're a good group and mostly very helpful. If you love football, you'll fit right in. ;D

Again - welcome.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 18, 2011, 12:42:21 AM
Thunderhead, I'll take karma away just for the "T" on your av.  :)  JK
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2011, 08:03:43 AM
I have just recently achieved the power to smite or applaud and have yet to do so.  I plan to begin using my new found powers for the benefit of all man kind.  With great power comes great responsibility.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
ForeverFootball:
I'll second ThunderHead's last post i.e. we have very good people on our board.  Although we don't have the number of pages of posts that most of the other boards do in the past, I will say that in the recent months since last spring, our board has been the busiest it ever has been in past years and with some very good discussions.  As is usual in life, we might not all agree all the time on the various topics in question, however, everyone here I dare say are very civil about expressing differences of opinions, unlike (unfortunately) some of the other boards.  Anyway, I think you will enjoy posting here with "our people". ;D

Also, just as an FYI, you won't be able to give karma or take it away until you have 200 posts.  Uncle Rico just reached that plateau, so now he can reprimand or applaud at his discretion any of us who "get out of line" ;D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on September 18, 2011, 10:02:52 AM
that was bad yesterday   5 turunovers  for hope    hope they win this week
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 18, 2011, 02:12:10 PM
I know you have to be a certain level in here to do things.  I was just teasing Thunder because he is from "T".  And I am from "A".  Hmmm.... T and A. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 18, 2011, 04:32:37 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 18, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
ForeverFootball:
I'll second ThunderHead's last post i.e. we have very good people on our board.  Although we don't have the number of pages of posts that most of the other boards do in the past, I will say that in the recent months since last spring, our board has been the busiest it ever has been in past years and with some very good discussions.  As is usual in life, we might not all agree all the time on the various topics in question, however, everyone here I dare say are very civil about expressing differences of opinions, unlike (unfortunately) some of the other boards.  Anyway, I think you will enjoy posting here with "our people". ;D

Also, just as an FYI, you won't be able to give karma or take it away until you have 200 posts.  Uncle Rico just reached that plateau, so now he can reprimand or applaud at his discretion any of us who "get out of line" ;D.

formerd3db,

I was pulling for Hope, but "very few" teams can overcome 5 TO's. They just have to get by and focus on the coming week! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 18, 2011, 04:52:34 PM
Ed Mason set the Alma College single-game rushing record yesterday with 228 yards to go along with 2 TD's
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 18, 2011, 05:12:21 PM
Hey folks. Chiming in from the ODAC boards. Any thoughts on how to handle the Alma at W&L pick 'em for this week? I had to go against my beloved Generals this week and was sadly proven right as Centre out played us in the second half, but I'm at a loss on how to evaluate this game. I'm also curious as to why Alma is making the trip. Seems like a very long ride unless these were the only 2 teams around with holes in the schedule on week 4. Any thoughts would be appreciated and looking forward to what certainly must amount to an usual game between these conferences. As for the Alma team, I'm jealous they will get to the W&L campus. I'm a little biased, but I can't think of a better place to be this time of year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2011, 05:28:33 PM
Thunderhead...I +k' ed ya and you are back to 0.   ;)  You've been a good boy lately and I trust you won't do anything to drop back to negative karma!    :)  Your posts bring lots of good conversation even if we don't always agree.  Plus I am in a good mood with a Lake Fenton high school, Trine, Michigan, and Lions win.  Beautiful weekend of football all around!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 18, 2011, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 17, 2011, 11:27:18 PMAnyway, you will highly likely be right in predicting Millikin's eventual disposition in the league as those games play out, but they didn't look like a "real cruddy team" today, IMO.

The CCIW is a solid enough league that even the teams towards the bottom of the standings aren't necessarily "real cruddy." Therefore, Millikin's final record should not be seen as a reflection of how it compares among the 240 or so schools that play D3 football. However, over the past six years Millikin has finished (starting with 2010 and going backwards) seventh, sixth, seventh, seventh, sixth, and sixth in the eight-team CCIW. Over that period the Big Blue have gone 10-32 in league play. They have a new head coach this year, and they opened the year by losing at home to Illinois College -- and no decent CCIW team should ever lose to a MWC team, especially at home. Over the past ten years the CCIW has won nine out of ten contests against the MWC, with the only loss suffered by traditional CCIW doormat NPU.

This year the CCIW coaches picked Millikin to finish seventh in the CCIW preseason poll. That seems like a reasonable pick to me.

Sorry. I know that you'd like to put as good a shine as possible on Hope's loss, but it appears to me that the odds are against Millikin finishing as a "mid-tier" team in the CCIW this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2011, 06:44:08 PM
Gregory S:

Thanks for the insight/background info re: Millikin (and the CCIW).  I really was not trying to put some "shine" into our loss - I never do that, seriously.  Rather, I describe the games in relation to how I evaluated the competing teams for that particular game. As you and I both know, you can't always judge a team by one game (unless a team is just downright horrible ;)) and, of course, it is even more difficult to judge that from opponents that anyone doesn't play very often. Hope did not play good yesterday and essentially reverted back to the same mistakes we've been making the past 4 years now.  Again, there were some bright spots as I summarized in my previous posts, however, we simply did not get the job done when it could have/should have been done.  Overall, we are still not a...-well, I'll just say it - a very good football team.  Potential is there yes, but a long way to go and the next 2-3 weeks will be "tell-tale".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 18, 2011, 06:56:25 PM
hey fellas, thanks for the Karma fellas. I'll try to be a good boy... :D

I appreciated all the grace.

Now that's not to say I won't say things that might make you wanna smite me, but I hope at least now you guys feel I'm not trying to "cause trouble". Often it's just bring in some conversation and I hope you guys see me as a decent contributor to the board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2011, 09:20:29 PM
That's okay, ThunderHead and no problem (I'm saying this from my personal perspective because I am certainly not the "Czar" on this board nor would ever think of myself in such a way. ;D ::) :o :)). Again, from your personal experience, you bring some additional insight to the college game which some of us do not have. I don't think anyone really thought you were trying to "cause trouble".  There are some people on other boards who do try to do that (and actually do), however, I don't think we have any of those types here on our MIAA board.  Obviously, there will be times when all of us disagree on various aspects and there is nothing wrong with that.  The only time I smite people is when they "cross that line" and make it personal a personal issue on others, are outright disrespectful, etc., etc. and I think everyone here is intelligent and mature and sensible enough to know when that occurs (as opposed to some jerks who smite people just because they don't like their opinions and thus have "it in for them" regardless).  As I see at the bottom of Pat's personal info, he has included a quote from one of the other veteran posters on these boards about being respectful in disagreements when discussing opinions/topics.  Again, I think we all do that here on this board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 18, 2011, 10:07:40 PM
About the Washington an lee game. I hope my scots can win but it's going to come down to limiting tournovers. We lost the first two games on TOs in the red zone and a Rockford we got down 10-0 on a pick 6 from the regents 10. Leiser has to limit INTs and we gotta pound it out on the ground bc WL gonna have a tough time slowing the offense if we can use the two headed monster of mason and lesiter to set up the downfield game to Henderson. Henderson leads the miaa in receiving by over 100 yards and mason leads in rushing by over 100 yards. We also have the number one and three tackles in sabatella and bovee of I remember correctly?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on September 18, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
How about people just post, speak their mind, and not worry about "karma"? Ridiculous that this comes up all the time. 

Also, Pat, right on. If you have the means to ask a question on the internet, you have the means to find the answer.

Great home win for Kzoo last night. Momentum building.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on September 19, 2011, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: Stinger on September 18, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
How about people just post, speak their mind, and not worry about "karma"? Ridiculous that this comes up all the time. 

Also, Pat, right on. If you have the means to ask a question on the internet, you have the means to find the answer.

Great home win for Kzoo last night. Momentum building.

I definitely agree with you Stinger! As you can see I do not worry about karma!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 19, 2011, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on September 19, 2011, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: Stinger on September 18, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
How about people just post, speak their mind, and not worry about "karma"? Ridiculous that this comes up all the time. 

Also, Pat, right on. If you have the means to ask a question on the internet, you have the means to find the answer.

Great home win for Kzoo last night. Momentum building.

I definitely agree with you Stinger! As you can see I do not worry about karma!

Adidas, I suspect most of those smites are from Nike fans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 19, 2011, 11:14:05 AM
Thanks for the info on Alma. With little comparisons to go on, I think I'll just play the homer card and put the pick on the Generals. We seem to be having trouble stopping the pass, F&M and Centre both were able to throw on us, so you may not need much of a ground game. Sewanee tried to run all game and got nowhere, F&M couldn't run on us, and Centre was able to run and pass with good balance in the second half, although we had them dead quiet in the first. I doubt you'll see much of a pass out of us. Triple option variants with a stable of 6 or 7 different runners. If you haven't seen it regularly, it's real hard to stop. We've put up good points on every opponent and if we limit the turnovers and penalties we tend to have an awful lot of clock time on O. Usually if we get out in front, it's tough to recover, but Centre did manage it. Looking forward to the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on September 19, 2011, 11:29:25 AM
I feel like an Indiana boy on this Michigan board should probably talk a small amount of smack about that ND vs MSU game.  ND finally looked like the team they should be.  IMO if we started Reese from the get go they are 3-0 and climbing the rankings.  Expecting bigger and better thigns out of my Irish!  Maybe this football season wont be so bad for us Indiana folk  (ie the Colts wont be much fun to watch this season but I will just have to suffer through with them!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 19, 2011, 12:02:50 PM
Boya87

I expected a ND win this weekend.
I actually thought they would be 3-0 at this point.

ND gave the first 2 games away.
You earn your losses and your wins so it is what it is.

MSU surprised me not that they lost going down to ND, the complete lack of a running game and BS play calling. Looked like PEE WEE football, MD really sent his team's faith in him back.

Ball security is the key for ND, need to utilize the pressure they can generate with these athletic DL guys to protect the backend on defense. Like the SS/FS what ever #22 is he plays with a bad attitude and makes his hits count.

Congrats to Kazoo another good win, like to see them winning. I think Kazoo is building something over the last couple years, should be improving as the field offers recruits a higher level look.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 19, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
I find it funny with a karma of -1 that you two (stinger and Adidas) think I play the karma game. That said, there is not reason not to try to get along and make my point in a respectful way. Which I admit, sometimes I don't always do.

That was all I was trying get across.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 19, 2011, 02:22:05 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 19, 2011, 11:29:25 AM
I feel like an Indiana boy on this Michigan board should probably talk a small amount of smack about that ND vs MSU game.  ND finally looked like the team they should be.  IMO if we started Reese from the get go they are 3-0 and climbing the rankings.  Expecting bigger and better thigns out of my Irish!  Maybe this football season wont be so bad for us Indiana folk  (ie the Colts wont be much fun to watch this season but I will just have to suffer through with them!)

Shoulda coulda woulda been 3-0.  Sure glad they actually have to play the game.  Maybe ND can petition for a "do-over" for the first two games.  :)  That said, I feel very lucky that Michigan escaped with the W and am not very sure the result would have been the same if they played again. 

Even though a life-long Steelers fan since the days of Lambert, Hamm, Greene, Bradshaw, etc...etc..etc... I am almost getting ready to jump on the Lions bandwagon finally! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 19, 2011, 02:35:55 PM
D306,

MD doesn't call the offense, nor really have a lot to do with the offense in EL other then stipulating the air vs ground attack. The play calling was handed over to Dan Rousher (O-Line Coach) after Don Treadwell left from Miami of Ohio.

MD is committed to the ground game, almost at times to the detriment of the offense. This all said, MSU is running with two legitimate D1 wide-outs in BJ Cunningmam and Keshawn Martin. Bennie Fowler is injured and Keith Nichol simply isn't a legitimate threat to zone defense. I also don't think MSU uses it's TE enough, Dion Simms is as good as any TE in the B1G.

The offense line also struggled in protection calls as it related to the passing game and I guess that's what happens when you don't test yourself in the pre-season.

Overall ND simply beat them, BK and Co. out coached MD and Co. All this said - I feel like ND did more to lose both games early on the SF or UofM did to win them. Credit ND, it was a good win and a much needed win for the BK.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on September 19, 2011, 02:37:01 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 19, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
I find it funny with a karma of -1 that you two (stinger and Adidas) think I play the karma game. That said, there is not reason not to try to get along and make my point in a respectful way. Which I admit, sometimes I don't always do.

That was all I was trying get across.

I was really only refering to my own -5 karma, nothing else. I post what I post and if others like or don't like it -  I don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on September 19, 2011, 02:38:37 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 19, 2011, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: adidas28 on September 19, 2011, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: Stinger on September 18, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
How about people just post, speak their mind, and not worry about "karma"? Ridiculous that this comes up all the time. 

Also, Pat, right on. If you have the means to ask a question on the internet, you have the means to find the answer.

Great home win for Kzoo last night. Momentum building.

I definitely agree with you Stinger! As you can see I do not worry about karma!

Adidas, I suspect most of those smites are from Nike fans.

Thanks Rico, But I think I can guess wwhere most of that negative karma came from.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on September 19, 2011, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on September 19, 2011, 11:29:25 AM
I feel like an Indiana boy on this Michigan board should probably talk a small amount of smack about that ND vs MSU game.  ND finally looked like the team they should be.  IMO if we started Reese from the get go they are 3-0 and climbing the rankings.  Expecting bigger and better thigns out of my Irish!  Maybe this football season wont be so bad for us Indiana folk  (ie the Colts wont be much fun to watch this season but I will just have to suffer through with them!)

Boya87 - you know I am a huge fan of your, but there is more than 1 team in Michigan on the ND schedule, so a small amount will be ok but don't get carried away or I might have to send Isiah after you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on August 05, 2011, 04:11:14 PM
They have reported on the same Tuesday for the last four years. We all know you give them NO credit at all, but I'm pretty sure the atheletic department and coaches know what day they can report on.

Based on this post (and your previous ones against me) I'm guessing you think it's me but I promise you, I'm far too busy to come around and smite you every 24 hours. There are 834 posters who have the 200 posts necessary to affect your karma, adidas. (And by the way, there are some who have a policy of smiting anyone who complains about karma.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2011, 03:58:47 PM
In fact, your only smite in the past 24 hours came from a fellow Trine fan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 19, 2011, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 19, 2011, 11:14:05 AM
Thanks for the info on Alma. With little comparisons to go on, I think I'll just play the homer card and put the pick on the Generals. We seem to be having trouble stopping the pass, F&M and Centre both were able to throw on us, so you may not need much of a ground game. Sewanee tried to run all game and got nowhere, F&M couldn't run on us, and Centre was able to run and pass with good balance in the second half, although we had them dead quiet in the first. I doubt you'll see much of a pass out of us. Triple option variants with a stable of 6 or 7 different runners. If you haven't seen it regularly, it's real hard to stop. We've put up good points on every opponent and if we limit the turnovers and penalties we tend to have an awful lot of clock time on O. Usually if we get out in front, it's tough to recover, but Centre did manage it. Looking forward to the game.

Personally I picked W&L. But Alma also can say they should have beaten IWU (sorry Mr Ypsi  ;D) s it could be a fun one thats just up for grabs
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 19, 2011, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on August 05, 2011, 04:11:14 PM
They have reported on the same Tuesday for the last four years. We all know you give them NO credit at all, but I'm pretty sure the atheletic department and coaches know what day they can report on.

Based on this post (and your previous ones against me) I'm guessing you think it's me but I promise you, I'm far too busy to come around and smite you every 24 hours. There are 834 posters who have the 200 posts necessary to affect your karma, adidas. (And by the way, there are some who have a policy of smiting anyone who complains about karma.)

You got me Pat!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 05:49:29 PM
Let's be realistic here.  First, did no one not expect ND to play much better and have a good game against Michgian State this weekend after losing their first two?  For sure, we all know they were going to do that.  Secondly, while ND is a pretty good team, they are not by any means great and, they simply did not play good enough to beat South Florida or Michigan - i.e. they simply made the mistakes to lose the game.  By the same measure, obviously Michigan is not a great team by any means, but, they are improving and they did what they needed to do to win.  It is obviosuly also pure speculation as to what those two team might do were they to play again at this point.  IMO, you can't say because ND played better and beat Michigan State that they would beat Michigan now (well you can, but it could go either way obviously - as Michigan could play better as well).  Of course, that could happen were they to play, however, so could the oppostie.  Thirdly, likewise, neither is Michigan State a blockbuster team - they are not bad, yet, made the mistakes to not win, again, just like ND did in their first two games.  Nonetheless, I'm sure everyone here will agree that Michigan State will give Michigan an extremely tough time and could win big.  I would not, however, be surprised if Michigan were to pull out an upset win over them either.  As far as ND is concerned, the jury is still out on them as they have a tough schedule to go and anyone who thinks that after this big win against Michigan State that ND is going to handle their next upcoming game teams easily is not being realistic.  It could happen, but I wait until I see it.  I am not yet convinced (and I admit that I am certainly no fan of ND or certainly not of BK, as some of you already know).  All that said, isn't the college football season and current status of the game (at least the playing aspects) a pure "blast of fun"?!!!! :D ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
sflzman:

Hey, I should know this, yet somehow do not recall right now (that could be for several reasons ;D, some of which I don't want to admit ;D :D :)!).  In following up on the previously asked question by another poster, why did Alma schedule W&L this year?  Was it because they just hadn't filled their last non-conference spot or did someone cancel out on them?  Of course, we know that the Adrian/UW-W game was cancelled and the reason for their long distance trip out east, but I can't remember the reason for Alma's putting W&L on their schedule.  Please enlighten us sflzman, if you can/are able to.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 19, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
sflzman:

Hey, I should know this, yet somehow do not recall right now (that could be for several reasons ;D, some of which I don't want to admit ;D :D :)!).  In following up on the previously asked question by another poster, why did Alma schedule W&L this year?  Was it because they just hadn't filled their last non-conference spot or did someone cancel out on them?  Of course, we know that the Adrian/UW-W game was cancelled and the reason for their long distance trip out east, but I can't remember the reason for Alma's putting W&L on their schedule.  Please enlighten us sflzman, if you can/are able to.  Thanks.

Well originally there was a home and home with Capital (i think) starting last year, but they cancelled and we scheduled Kentucky Wesleyan (the arrogant D2 team that we went down and nearly beat with the awful QB situation last year) but after last year's scare, and the fact that they'd have to come up here they cancelled on us which left an empty schedule space to be filled....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 19, 2011, 08:28:52 PM
Well we went off on the Karma today.

I will not smit anyone unless they get out of line or use personal attacks on people, thats not what we are here for.

Thunder couple nice detailed comments about the coaching staff at MSU.

My general thought is 29 yards on the ground with those running backs!!!
That is poor execution and lack of game plan.
The OL was surprising weak.
I expected better from MSU.

I am a UofM fan / apologist that is my background and University.

UofM is improving, good coaching with adjustments in game.
Will require another year or more to get the right athletes for system.
I like how Hoke is blending the systems.

Hard to say who will win between MSU and UofM, as it stands MSU should win, I am thinking UofM will win the game. Improving and growth in team, while OL issues are creeping up with injuries to a already lean MSU OL.

Looks like the MIAA has some interesting games coming. Would like to see what Adrian has when better competiiton is on the field. Trine is the headliner, not quite as deep as recent years hope to see some competition in the MIAA this year.






Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 10:10:16 PM
sflzman:
Thanks for the explanation.  I forgot or must have missed that Kentucky Wesleyan cancelled out.  Kind of strange.

D306:
Good comments/analysis.  Being a U of Michigan fan like you, I think your assesment is right.  They just might pull off a win against Michigan State, but it will not be easy if they do and, as I mentioned, I would not be surprised if Michigan State won (although I hope not ;D ;)).

Right now, I really am not sure how to assess the MIAA.  As to the teams that everyone has said will battle for the title (the 3 A's, Trine and maybe? Hope), it will come down as to who will obviously not make the most mistakes in their games.  By that I mean I doubt (at least right now) that any one will blow the others out.  I expect close games and we'll all start weeding each other out early and it may or may not then come down to two teams at the last.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on September 19, 2011, 10:33:06 PM


Quote from: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
sflzman:

Of course, we know that the Adrian/UW-W game was cancelled and the reason for their long distance trip out east, but I can't remember the reason for Alma's putting W&L on their schedule.  Please enlighten us sflzman, if you can/are able to.  Thanks.

Quote from: D306 on September 19, 2011, 08:28:52 PM
Well we went off on the Karma today.

Would like to see what Adrian has when better competiiton is on the field.

Adrian had this problem taken care of before the season, but elected to back out of a home game with UWW and schedule an uncompetitive game out east as a replacement.  :o  Funny how these things work out, right D306?  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 20, 2011, 06:28:30 AM
BOBO

I did not realize that Adrian had UWW on the schedule at one point.

I am a big fan of a tough non-league schedule.
The MIAA is not strong, ( no offense guys   ::)) to get respect you have to earn respect. Play Wheaton, UWW, Mount Union etc... these teams are within resonable distance.
I know Hope schedules a very tough non-league every year, at times it is not pretty. I think this is why for most years Hope is a top 2 team in the MIAA, they are prepared for a battle.

I give Albion credit for the schedule this year, very tough. Albion will come to play this year in the MIAA. The long term contract with Butler has been good for the program.

By the way is JV the toughest pitcher this year, another 8 inning 3 hit shutout. Enjoy it while we can. Beat the Yankees in the playoffs. ( By the way I respect the Yankees, it is tough to be the target every year. They demand excellence, fans are another story  ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on September 20, 2011, 07:01:42 AM
^^ I have no idea why Adrian cancelled the back-end of the contract, and quite frankly, that's water over the dam. But, I just thought it was important that you knew.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 20, 2011, 07:35:42 AM
Bobo:

I believe Adrian was mad that UWW was still throwinng and  "running up the score" late in the game last year.

D306:

I actually think Olivet of all teams has a nasty schedule. After week one they had/have: @ Elmhurst. @ North Central. @ Wheaton...then in MIAA play they have @ Adrian (then kzoo) the @ Albion, then Trine. Thats a tough way to start....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2011, 08:16:12 AM
Quote from: D306 on September 20, 2011, 06:28:30 AM
I know Hope schedules a very tough non-league every year, at times it is not pretty. I think this is why for most years Hope is a top 2 team in the MIAA, they are prepared for a battle.

I sometimes wonder if that worked in reverse for Hope, if that put players in a bad mindset starting the season off 0-4 and getting beat soundly in the process.  Perhaps it could shake the confidence.  There should be some balance where you can play a couple of tune-up games and then a couple of tough ones to see where you are at progress wise.  And as the conference improves (which I sense it is doing) the conference games can serve as more preparation for a playoff run. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 20, 2011, 08:45:43 AM

Quote from: D306 on September 20, 2011, 06:28:30 AM
I know Hope schedules a very tough non-league every year, at times it is not pretty. I think this is why for most years Hope is a top 2 team in the MIAA, they are prepared for a battle.


Sadly Hope hasn't been a top 2 MIAA program for the past 3 years and this year isn't looking like a top 2 finish either. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 20, 2011, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 19, 2011, 06:30:10 PM


Well originally there was a home and home with Capital (i think) starting last year, but they cancelled and we scheduled Kentucky Wesleyan (the arrogant D2 team that we went down and nearly beat with the awful QB situation last year) but after last year's scare, and the fact that they'd have to come up here they cancelled on us which left an empty schedule space to be filled....

thanks for this. have been looking for an explanation for a while. appreciate it and good luck this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 20, 2011, 10:51:51 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 17, 2011, 11:56:03 PM
Another disappointing aspect from today:  attendance.  There were considerably less spectators in the home side seating (and even less on the endzone hill) today as compared to last week and that was surprising to me as I thought we'd have a similar crowd as last week because of winning that game (and that even despite the fact that it was the annual Community Day last Saturday).  I (wrongly) estimated that there were about 2200 or so in attendance (as compared to the about 3200 from last week), however, was surprised to see in the posted game stats/box score this evening that attendance was a dismal (IMO) 1400. :-X Ouch.  Also, there goes the chance of averaging about at least 3,000 per game this season as I had hoped might be possible.  Oh well. 

The men's soccer game outdrew the football game on Saturday (1435 at soccer vs 1400 at football).  I think a big part of this is the students - who fill an entire section at soccer games and are involved (shirtless guys with painted chests, chants, etc).  I was at both games and the difference in energy from the crowd was significant.  The soccer game was electric - the football game just felt flat.  Not sure how to "fix" that.  Is the fact that the soccer game is at night significant?  It will be interesting to see what happens in a couple weeks when Hope & Kazoo play at 7pm in Holland (although the students will be on fall break).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 11:08:48 AM
Interesting article on why Calvin may get a football team. (http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2011/09/why_calvin_college_may_invest.html)

Here's my 2¢:

1. Dordt now has one. And they simply can't let their little sister have bragging rights for very long.

2. Dordt got one after Western and Unity Christian (the two CRC private schools in NW Iowa) both got football programs. Once Unity got football, Western had to keep up with the Jones'. And once Northwester (read Hope) started landing a bunch of Western and Unity kids for football, Dordt had to follow suit.

The same situation appears to be taking place in W. Michigan. If all the feeder schools are getting football, Calvin might have to as well or risk losing those kids.

3. They need to learn from Dordt's mistakes. There's no way you'll field a competitive team if you try to recruit strictly from the Christian School ranks. This isn't basketball. You need a lot of quality talent and depth to be competitive in football and the small sample size of CRC connected high schools isn't enough to provide it like it can for b-ball.

4. Calvin could probably expect quicker on field success than Dordt:
a. They're a bigger name and can draw from a greater geographical area for players.
b. They don't play in the GPAC. Dordt essentially had to start its program from scratch playing in the NAIA version of the WIAC or OAC. This is no rip on the MIAA, just a recognition that Calvin wouldn't have to go toe to toe with likes of UWW or Mount in their fledgling seasons.

5. My dad has been poking fun of his cousin for several years about when Calvin would get their football team. His cousin kept denying that it would happen, my dad kept saying it would. He was dead on in the same prediction regarding Western/Unity and Dordt. The reason this last one is relevant. My dad was a Western kid who ended up an All-American at Northwestern (RCA) back in the 70's. That, and his cousin has some pull at Calvin (he's their president)  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 20, 2011, 11:17:06 AM
The MIAA has some key games this week that could go either way:

UW-SP vs. Albion- a tough one at home for Albion

Hope vs. Lakekland away - a key to Hope's season, IMHO

Benedictine vs. K-zoo- another tough home contest

Alma vs. W & L - your thoughts Sflzman

Olivet vs. Wheaton - Oh, my after last week

Concordia vs. Adrian- a win for Adrian gives them conference title aspirations

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 20, 2011, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 11:08:48 AM
5. My dad has been poking fun of his cousin for several years about when Calvin would get their football team. His cousin kept denying that it would happen, my dad kept saying it would. He was dead on in the same prediction regarding Western/Unity and Dordt. The reason this last one is relevant. My dad was a Western kid who ended up an All-American at Northwestern (RCA) back in the 70's. That, and his cousin has some pull at Calvin (he's their president)  ;D

hazzben - Great input - and I completely agree.  Dordt made the move, and I think it's mearly a matter of time (I predcit by 2015) that Calvin has football.  As a NWC alum '83 (grew up in OC watching Red Raider football from the 60's) I would love to know who your father is since I'm sure I cheered him on.

If a Dordt Wart (NWC name for a Dordt student) can play football, why not a Knight??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2011, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 20, 2011, 07:35:42 AM
Bobo:
I believe Adrian was mad that UWW was still throwing and "running up the score" late in the game last year.

There's more to it than just that. It started the week leading up to the game. Lance Leipold (UWW's coach) tried numerous times to contact Deere to trade tapes of each others practices. However, Deere avoided the messages and Lance never heard from him. So tensions were a little high before each team took the field.

The final score was 35-0, and it was only 12-0 at half. Running up the score??? Possibly...I guess it could have been a lot worse.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 20, 2011, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 11:08:48 AM
5. My dad has been poking fun of his cousin for years about when Calvin would get their football team. His cousin kept denying that it would happen, my dad kept saying it would. He was dead on in the same prediction regarding Western/Unity and Dordt. The reason this last one is relevant. My dad was a Western kid who ended up an All-American at Northwestern (RCA) back in the 70's. That, and his cousin has some pull at Calvin (he's their president)  ;D

hazzben - Great input - and I completely agree.  Dordt made the move, and I think it's mearly a matter of time (I predcit by 2015) that Calvin has football.  As a NWC alum '83 (grew up in OC watching Red Raider football from the 60's) I would love to know who your father is since I'm sure I cheered him on.

If a Dordt Wart (NWC name for a Dordt student) can play football, why not a Knight??

You saw some great football then.

My dad is Cornie Wassink. He was a starting OT/DT for NWC's natinoal runner up team in 1972 and my uncle, Dave Hector, was a standout WR on the National Title team in 1973. My dad was doing some coaching/scouting for their teams in the early 80's era of the McKinstrey brothers when you were attending. Much to my dad's initial dismay, my brother and I decided to attend Bethel University in St. Paul over NWC and others.  :D But he's grown to appreciate Bethel and Coach Johnson over the years. Though I'm sure he'll always be a Bub Korver boy at heart!

Friends don't let friend go to Dordt... ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 20, 2011, 12:39:16 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2011, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 20, 2011, 07:35:42 AM
Bobo:
I believe Adrian was mad that UWW was still throwing and "running up the score" late in the game last year.

There's more to it than just that. It started the week leading up to the game. Lance Leipold (UWW's coach) tried numerous times to contact Deere to trade tapes of each others practices. However, Deere avoided the messages and Lance never heard from him. So tensions were a little high before each team took the field.

The final score was 35-0, and it was only 12-0 at half. Running up the score??? Possibly...I guess it could have been a lot worse.

Of course the irony is that Deere did the same thing in the 77-7 victory over Husson (the team they replaced WW with) by throwing touchdown passes with scores of  42-0, 56-0 and 70-7.  The last one from the 11 yard line. 

Hello pot my name is kettle and we're black.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 20, 2011, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 20, 2011, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 11:08:48 AM
5. My dad has been poking fun of his cousin for years about when Calvin would get their football team. His cousin kept denying that it would happen, my dad kept saying it would. He was dead on in the same prediction regarding Western/Unity and Dordt. The reason this last one is relevant. My dad was a Western kid who ended up an All-American at Northwestern (RCA) back in the 70's. That, and his cousin has some pull at Calvin (he's their president)  ;D

hazzben - Great input - and I completely agree.  Dordt made the move, and I think it's mearly a matter of time (I predcit by 2015) that Calvin has football.  As a NWC alum '83 (grew up in OC watching Red Raider football from the 60's) I would love to know who your father is since I'm sure I cheered him on.

If a Dordt Wart (NWC name for a Dordt student) can play football, why not a Knight??

You saw some great football then.

My dad is Cornie Wassink. He was a starting OT/DT for NWC's natinoal runner up team in 1972 and my uncle, Dave Hector, was a standout WR on the National Title team in 1973. My dad was doing some coaching/scouting for their teams in the early 80's era of the McKinstrey brothers when you were attending. Much to my dad's initial dismay, my brother and I decided to attend Bethel University in St. Paul over NWC and others.  :D But he's grown to appreciate Bethel and Coach Johnson over the years. Though I'm sure he'll always be a Bub Korver boy at heart!

Friends don't let friend go to Dordt... ;D

Small world!  I remember well watching your dad and your uncle playing.  I couldn't convince my parents to take us to the national championship game in '73, but we all gathered around the radio and listened (dang that makes me sound old).  I grew up with the McKinstrey brothers - and played untold hours of football with them in their backyard.   I try to somehow take a bit of credit for them both being All-Americans - as I'm sure my 10 year old football prowess contributed to their success  :)   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 20, 2011, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 20, 2011, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 11:08:48 AM
5. My dad has been poking fun of his cousin for years about when Calvin would get their football team. His cousin kept denying that it would happen, my dad kept saying it would. He was dead on in the same prediction regarding Western/Unity and Dordt. The reason this last one is relevant. My dad was a Western kid who ended up an All-American at Northwestern (RCA) back in the 70's. That, and his cousin has some pull at Calvin (he's their president)  ;D

hazzben - Great input - and I completely agree.  Dordt made the move, and I think it's mearly a matter of time (I predcit by 2015) that Calvin has football.  As a NWC alum '83 (grew up in OC watching Red Raider football from the 60's) I would love to know who your father is since I'm sure I cheered him on.

If a Dordt Wart (NWC name for a Dordt student) can play football, why not a Knight??

You saw some great football then.

My dad is Cornie Wassink. He was a starting OT/DT for NWC's natinoal runner up team in 1972 and my uncle, Dave Hector, was a standout WR on the National Title team in 1973. My dad was doing some coaching/scouting for their teams in the early 80's era of the McKinstrey brothers when you were attending. Much to my dad's initial dismay, my brother and I decided to attend Bethel University in St. Paul over NWC and others.  :D But he's grown to appreciate Bethel and Coach Johnson over the years. Though I'm sure he'll always be a Bub Korver boy at heart!

Friends don't let friend go to Dordt... ;D

Small world!  I remember well watching your dad and your uncle playing.  I couldn't convince my parents to take us to the national championship game in '73, but we all gathered around the radio and listened (dang that makes me sound old).  I grew up with the McKinstrey brothers - and played untold hours of football with them in their backyard.   I try to somehow take a bit of credit for them both being All-Americans - as I'm sure my 10 year old football prowess contributed to their success  :)   ;D

Fun stuff. I have fond memories of attending the NWC game on fall Saturdays and playing countless hours of 'kill the carrier' behind the visitors bleachers or just to the south of the home stands. If I was real lucky (and Northwestern played really well), my dad would take me over to Phillips 66 for a mammoth Mr Freeze after the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 20, 2011, 04:29:31 PM
Regarding the talk of non-conference strength of schedule.

I agree that in general the MIAA is viewed as a weak conference, and I think most people here agree with that perception, fair or not.

The way to change that perception is for teams to have long runs in the playoffs OR do well with tough non-conference schedules. While I think Albion has stepped up to the plate, I think schools like Trine have not. (Olivet plays a tough non-conference this year, but at this point, their affirming the weak league theory)

The sad thing is, Coach Land and other HC's in the league have at various points over the years been quoted as saying how it's important to change the perception of the MIAA to a league that's looked on with respect. Yet if you look at the scheduling, it seems very few are actually willing to change the perception through scheduling.

Until that changes, and schools that are in the top half of the MIAA look to chip away at the Wheaton's, Franklin's, Mt. Union's, and UWW's of the world, I'm afraid the MIAA will stay right where it is.

Just my thoughts on that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 20, 2011, 05:16:33 PM
hmmm......people from Iowa talking football and family, I can't help but think this is a good place for the Cyhawk Trophy to make an appearance.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.bleacherreport.net%2Fimages_root%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2F001%2F327%2F551%2Fcy-hawk_trophy_top-240x180_crop_310x205.jpg%3F1314220644&hash=9b653bbccaa6e9d3b07f89fc0322c836fd353b0c)

Warms your heart, doesn't it. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 20, 2011, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 20, 2011, 11:17:06 AM
Alma vs. W & L - your thoughts Sflzman

Well I can honestly tell you I know nothing on Washington and Lee except the record and who they've played. I think it could go either way if we play like we did against IWU, but I really don't know....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hazzben on September 20, 2011, 08:52:36 PM
Quote from: sac on September 20, 2011, 05:16:33 PM
hmmm......people from Iowa talking football and family, I can't help but think this is a good place for the Cyhawk Trophy to make an appearance.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.bleacherreport.net%2Fimages_root%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2F001%2F327%2F551%2Fcy-hawk_trophy_top-240x180_crop_310x205.jpg%3F1314220644&hash=9b653bbccaa6e9d3b07f89fc0322c836fd353b0c)

Warms your heart, doesn't it. ;)

Ummmm, yeah. No comment...  :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: smedindy on September 20, 2011, 10:05:34 PM
As a total outsider from the MIAA but knowing Calvin people (from my work), this may be a little shock to the system, but really it's about recruiting and keeping male students. Football programs mean more male students, simply because you need to fill a team.

The cost of starting football means nothing if it reverses a negative trend in enrollment, especially for males. It also may help in recruiting diversity. Any loss in donations from big money donors will be offset over time as well.

It's probably time for Calvin to start football. if injuries were an issue back in the day, the emphasis now placed on reducing injuries, coupled with the improvements in equipment technology, offset this. Yes, people get hurt playing football. People get injured swimming. It happens. it's sports.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 20, 2011, 10:47:01 PM
My insight on WL for this weekend based on the long conversation I had tonigh:

They are a very sound team with a solid offense and a defense that does a good job at hiding their schemes and mixing up with dfferen looks.

Offensively they run a "spread triple" which I've been told is kind of Oregon but kind of Georgia tech. They will run the offense from different formations and will move people in motion in and out of the backfield as needed.

Defensively they will line up in "every formation known to man" and do a lot of things to disguise coverage an confuse the offense. There were times where they look like theyre in a 4 on one side of the field and man on the other. It's a very creative playbook on both sides of the ball but I was told if we play how we can and keep the offense on the field an limit tournovers especially in the redzone (4 in he first three games) we can beat these guys and everyone else comin up on our schedule 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 19, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
sflzman:

Hey, I should know this, yet somehow do not recall right now (that could be for several reasons ;D, some of which I don't want to admit ;D :D :)!).  In following up on the previously asked question by another poster, why did Alma schedule W&L this year?  Was it because they just hadn't filled their last non-conference spot or did someone cancel out on them?  Of course, we know that the Adrian/UW-W game was cancelled and the reason for their long distance trip out east, but I can't remember the reason for Alma's putting W&L on their schedule.  Please enlighten us sflzman, if you can/are able to.  Thanks.

Well originally there was a home and home with Capital (i think) starting last year, but they cancelled and we scheduled Kentucky Wesleyan (the arrogant D2 team that we went down and nearly beat with the awful QB situation last year) but after last year's scare, and the fact that they'd have to come up here they cancelled on us which left an empty schedule space to be filled....

KY Wesleyan is VERY arrogant and very beatable.  They were NAIA and had the same arrogance when I played against them in 1998 and 1999.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoredatWork56 on September 21, 2011, 08:53:13 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 20, 2011, 04:29:31 PM
Regarding the talk of non-conference strength of schedule.

I agree that in general the MIAA is viewed as a weak conference, and I think most people here agree with that perception, fair or not.

The way to change that perception is for teams to have long runs in the playoffs OR do well with tough non-conference schedules. While I think Albion has stepped up to the plate, I think schools like Trine have not. (Olivet plays a tough non-conference this year, but at this point, their affirming the weak league theory)

The sad thing is, Coach Land and other HC's in the league have at various points over the years been quoted as saying how it's important to change the perception of the MIAA to a league that's looked on with respect. Yet if you look at the scheduling, it seems very few are actually willing to change the perception through scheduling.

Until that changes, and schools that are in the top half of the MIAA look to chip away at the Wheaton's, Franklin's, Mt. Union's, and UWW's of the world, I'm afraid the MIAA will stay right where it is.

Just my thoughts on that.

ThunderHead,

Trine just finished up a 6 year contract with Franklin.  During the 2004-2009 seasons, Franklin went 46-18. I cant speak for the current teams on the schedule and how long they will be playing each other, but you don't have to go very far back to see when they "stepped up to the plate" against some of the better teams in the region.

In my opinion, the way to gain respect as a conference is not by playing a tough non conference schedule, it is by winning in the playoffs.  No one is going to give our conference respect for knocking off a CCIW or WIAC team the first week of the season when only 2 schools care about the result.  You get respect when you win on the biggest stage on a consistent basis when the d3nation is watching.  I think the MIAA got more respect when their representative gave UWW their closest game of the season last year in the national quarterfinals.

I don't know if you were quoting Coach Land, or any other MIAA coach, but I can quote Coach Land in saying that it doesn't matter who you play, all that matters is that you be ready to play whoever, whenever, wherever, and when you win - they will not forget they day they crossed your path.  "SPOT THE BALL"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2011, 10:26:31 AM
I agree big non-conference wins (either during the season OR post season) will help with the MIAA perception.  Since the MIAA is considered pretty weak, there is likely only one team from the MIAA that will make the playoffs, so if you are a non conference winning team in the MIAA the only way to make some noise is to beat good non-conference opponents during the regular season.

However, I would put more focus on getting good well coached talent before I worry about schedules.  Simply PLAYING better teams is not enough to make you succeed, and it won't help perceptions if all you do is lose them.  Trine's recent success was not fueled so much by who they played non-conference as it was a great coaching staff, upgraded facilities, and a solid educational offering.  Those things helped bring in talent.
 
I wonder how much the MIAA talent pool is depleted by the number of solid D2 schools in the state / region.  I think this conversation has come up before. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 21, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Regarding a tough non-conference schedule, or lack there of, on Trine's part, I wasn't referring to the past, as much as now. Perhaps in the past when Trine wasn't as good, playing a school like Franklin wasn't beneficial, or about as beneficial as Olivet playing Wheaton.

The reality now is Trine is much more prepared to face off against schools like Wheaton, Franklin, and others from a competition standpoint, and because winning a Nation Title is something that Coach Land has made known he wants to do, I feel it would benefit Trine to play tough non-conference opponents in preparation for the MIAA and a playoff run.

As Uncle Rico mentioned, only one team from the MIAA goes into the tournament, so I don't think a long playoff run by one team does much for a conference, other then signify that at least one good team is in the conference. However if schools like Adrian, Alma, Albion, and Trine all took on tough non-conference opponents and went .500 or better, I think the conference as whole starts to get more respect.

Things like Mach Madness, the bowl series, and locally the ACC/Big Ten challenge are examples of things that give conferences a chance to match up against other conferences. I think the only way the MIAA becomes known as a "tough" conference is if it's member teams start to beat other top tier member teams from good conferences.

That was my point. I don't disagree strong playoff runs help, I just think a conference is more then one team.  ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on September 22, 2011, 08:59:43 AM
The other issue with playing a tougher non-conference schedule is getting tougher teams to agree to play against you.  At some point you get good enough where others don't want to play you.  I believe this has been an issue for Trine over the past couple of years. 

(Sorry if this is a redundant point and someone has already mentioned this...)

GO THUNDER!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hazzben on September 22, 2011, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: smedindy on September 20, 2011, 10:05:34 PM
As a total outsider from the MIAA but knowing Calvin people (from my work), this may be a little shock to the system, but really it's about recruiting and keeping male students. Football programs mean more male students, simply because you need to fill a team.

The cost of starting football means nothing if it reverses a negative trend in enrollment, especially for males. It also may help in recruiting diversity. Any loss in donations from big money donors will be offset over time as well.

Agreed. The uptick in male students is significant. Football's an expensive sport to run, but the cost is really offset when you're not giving athletic scholarship. If Calvin added football and could put together a roster in the 100 player range they'd be bringing in some real $$. Especially if a good chunk of those players wouldn't be attending Calvin if it wasn't for football. Data also shows men tend to be more likely to give back to their alma mater. Even if Calvin wasn't seeing a slight decrease in enrollment, the increase in male enrollment has both short term (tuition) and long term (development giving) benefits.

That's why we've seen so many small colleges starting up football programs in recent years. If you've got a manageable travel arrangement for conference games like the MIAA would provide, that also makes it more financially viable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 22, 2011, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2011, 10:26:31 AM

 
I wonder how much the MIAA talent pool is depleted by the number of solid D2 schools in the state / region.  I think this conversation has come up before.

GVSU, Ferris State and SVSU have large rosters for D2  (at least I think)  filled with walk-on's who would do well in D3.  All 3 have over 100 players listed, several players without numbers.

Michigan has 8 D2 programs, compare that to Indiana (4), Illinois(3), Ohio(5) and Wisconsin(1) and its easy to see what a difference it makes in level of competition.

That's between 200 to 300 kids who could be scattered across MIAA rosters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 22, 2011, 01:55:26 PM
Quote from: sac on September 22, 2011, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2011, 10:26:31 AM

 
I wonder how much the MIAA talent pool is depleted by the number of solid D2 schools in the state / region.  I think this conversation has come up before.

GVSU, Ferris State and SVSU have large rosters for D2  (at least I think)  filled with walk-on's who would do well in D3.  All 3 have over 100 players listed, several players without numbers.

Michigan has 8 D2 programs, compare that to Indiana (4), Illinois(3), Ohio(5) and Wisconsin(1) and its easy to see what a difference it makes in level of competition.

That's between 200 to 300 kids who could be scattered across MIAA rosters.

sac,

Good info! I think it also true that GVSU has been the dominant D2 Michigan program for several years! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on September 22, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 19, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
sflzman:

Hey, I should know this, yet somehow do not recall right now (that could be for several reasons ;D, some of which I don't want to admit ;D :D :)!).  In following up on the previously asked question by another poster, why did Alma schedule W&L this year?  Was it because they just hadn't filled their last non-conference spot or did someone cancel out on them?  Of course, we know that the Adrian/UW-W game was cancelled and the reason for their long distance trip out east, but I can't remember the reason for Alma's putting W&L on their schedule.  Please enlighten us sflzman, if you can/are able to.  Thanks.

Well originally there was a home and home with Capital (i think) starting last year, but they cancelled and we scheduled Kentucky Wesleyan (the arrogant D2 team that we went down and nearly beat with the awful QB situation last year) but after last year's scare, and the fact that they'd have to come up here they cancelled on us which left an empty schedule space to be filled....

KY Wesleyan is VERY arrogant and very beatable.  They were NAIA and had the same arrogance when I played against them in 1998 and 1999.

I wondered why Alma's schedule was like that.  Thanks for the info.  Hopefully next year's schedule doesn't have 6 road games.   ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2011, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: sac on September 22, 2011, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2011, 10:26:31 AM

 
I wonder how much the MIAA talent pool is depleted by the number of solid D2 schools in the state / region.  I think this conversation has come up before.

GVSU, Ferris State and SVSU have large rosters for D2  (at least I think)  filled with walk-on's who would do well in D3.  All 3 have over 100 players listed, several players without numbers.

Michigan has 8 D2 programs, compare that to Indiana (4), Illinois(3), Ohio(5) and Wisconsin(1) and its easy to see what a difference it makes in level of competition.

That's between 200 to 300 kids who could be scattered across MIAA rosters.

I did not realize there were 8 D2 schools in Michigan, although in hindsight I can see it.  You have a huge D2 powerhouse like Grand Valley smack dab in the middle of MIAA country.  And with all those D2 schools able to offer at least partial athletic scholarships I have to believe they snag a few kids that might otherwise go to an MIAA school.  I suspect tuition is less in many of the D2 schools as well.  Take just a small number of these kids and place them on some MIAA D3 teams I wonder how much it would turn a program around.  I know this sounds like I am making excuses but it makes me wonder how much of a factor that is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 22, 2011, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on September 22, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 19, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
sflzman:

Hey, I should know this, yet somehow do not recall right now (that could be for several reasons ;D, some of which I don't want to admit ;D :D :)!).  In following up on the previously asked question by another poster, why did Alma schedule W&L this year?  Was it because they just hadn't filled their last non-conference spot or did someone cancel out on them?  Of course, we know that the Adrian/UW-W game was cancelled and the reason for their long distance trip out east, but I can't remember the reason for Alma's putting W&L on their schedule.  Please enlighten us sflzman, if you can/are able to.  Thanks.

Well originally there was a home and home with Capital (i think) starting last year, but they cancelled and we scheduled Kentucky Wesleyan (the arrogant D2 team that we went down and nearly beat with the awful QB situation last year) but after last year's scare, and the fact that they'd have to come up here they cancelled on us which left an empty schedule space to be filled....

KY Wesleyan is VERY arrogant and very beatable.  They were NAIA and had the same arrogance when I played against them in 1998 and 1999.

I wondered why Alma's schedule was like that.  Thanks for the info.  Hopefully next year's schedule doesn't have 6 road games.   ???

Six road games is a bummer!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 22, 2011, 04:52:20 PM
We've discussed this several times here on this board over the last 2-3 years, yet it is always a good discussion.  Yes, it is that simple - the DII schools in Michigan (and to a degree the surrounding states) have many of the players that we in the MIAA are simply not getting anymore.  Some people have had a tendency to riducule the football scholarships offered by these DII schools since they are not "full-rides", however, that is rather riduculous to do so i.e. put forth such thinking because a) the NCAA (and the NAIA for that matter) do not allow full scholarships for football anyway and b) with the cost of education at any school, let alone that for the DIII MIAA schools, the scholarship of anywhere from 2K to 9K surely makes a difference.  So unless parents can really afford to send their son to an MIAA school (again as we have discussed, many of the DIII schools in Ohio for example are even 10K more than some of our MIAA school's highest tuition/R&B), it is an easy decision (a "no-brainer" to use that over-used cliche ;D) for a student-athlete to choose DII provided he is good enough to play at that level (most obviously are or otherwise they wouldn't be recruited there) and the school has the academic program he needs/desires and, of course, he likes that school's campus setting, etc., etc.  The cost of DIII schools today is simply daunting and becoming more and more difficult for parents and students obviously.

So, without question, that has been the biggest single aspect that has contributed to the decreasing numbers (and, dare I say, perhaps less talent at some of the schools here), unfortunately for the MIAA schools (certainly, it is great for the student-athlete football players who get that DII or NAIA opportunity and for the DII or NAIA schools themselves).  Ask any of the head coaches at our MIAA schools and they will tell you, indeed, this is what the current status is. (except perhaps for Trine, since they have been the top tier MIAA team these past years, which always helps attract top notch student-athlete football players during those periods for any school).  Pesonally, I don't see this changing much for a very long time.  So that means we (i.e. all the MIAA and DIII schools) have to do the best we/they can.  Again, my own opinion on this, but as mentioned, most of the MIAA head coaches agree with this and will tell you the same. :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 22, 2011, 06:41:31 PM
sflzman,

Not that it really matters (and matters even less now), but I'm still curious - was Mason's fumble at the end of the game a give-away or a take-away?  That chintzy new scoreboard of yours doesn't even have slo-mo close-up replay, and it all happened within a sea of very large bodies! ;)

Speaking of the scoreboard (which is VERY nice, despite my crack above), you might want to cue your scoreboard operator to be more careful during pre-game check-out.  As I walked by the stadium, the scoreboard read: Scots 0, Guests 99.  I reported the incident to the Titan faithful, and all agreed it sounded like a pretty good omen! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 22, 2011, 06:52:42 PM
From my experience, at the D3 level, the MIAA isn't all that well respected within the midwest by the high school athletes. As a result, most guys would rather look toward a D2 opportunity (regardless of how far fetched playing time is) rather then go down to the D3 level.

Rather D3 football is that bad or not, the truth is perception is reality when it comes to 17 year old kids leaving high school.

I agree with fromerd3er, this most likely will not change anytime in the near future. Then again, not so long ago, GVSU wasn't looked at as a viable spot to play football at either. So who knows.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 22, 2011, 07:13:31 PM
GVSU is a HOT school right now, and has more than enough people to be a D1 school. More students than many D1 schools.

GVSU became well know for football. through 2 events from what I see. 
First thing was a few Detroit Lions players back in the day attended GVSU and were local Michigan guys. great free pub. Had several very good coachs in a row whom have moved on to bigger and better football programs.

Second thing GVSU brought in and brings in many D1 guys who did not get playing time, so they are looking for the playing time,in Junior / Senior years. GVSU also brings in a lot of Juco players.
Built a great team and the recruiting improved, the Campus is also extremely nice, Academic Reputation and the area are growing very fast.

Hillsdale is a great option I see many high level potential MIAA students go to Hillsdale, they have won the GVSU game 2-3 years in a row now. Great academic school. on par with or superior to the MIAA.

These 2 schools have pulled a large number of the SE Michigan talent that in the past had attended MIAA schools.  There is a couple NIAI schools as well, and another that just brought on football, in Ann Arbor area.

This combined with the comments that many have posted pull a lot of the talent away. Ohio D2 schools, and some of the higher caliper Ohio. Indiana schools are pulling great lakes area talent.

last thought recently Wayne State has re appeared in the Football world, nice stadium, pulling a lot of SE Michigan talent with live at home cut cost thoughts in this tight economy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 22, 2011, 09:46:09 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 22, 2011, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: miaafbfan on September 22, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 21, 2011, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 19, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 19, 2011, 05:54:18 PM
sflzman:

Hey, I should know this, yet somehow do not recall right now (that could be for several reasons ;D, some of which I don't want to admit ;D :D :)!).  In following up on the previously asked question by another poster, why did Alma schedule W&L this year?  Was it because they just hadn't filled their last non-conference spot or did someone cancel out on them?  Of course, we know that the Adrian/UW-W game was cancelled and the reason for their long distance trip out east, but I can't remember the reason for Alma's putting W&L on their schedule.  Please enlighten us sflzman, if you can/are able to.  Thanks.

Well originally there was a home and home with Capital (i think) starting last year, but they cancelled and we scheduled Kentucky Wesleyan (the arrogant D2 team that we went down and nearly beat with the awful QB situation last year) but after last year's scare, and the fact that they'd have to come up here they cancelled on us which left an empty schedule space to be filled....

KY Wesleyan is VERY arrogant and very beatable.  They were NAIA and had the same arrogance when I played against them in 1998 and 1999.

I wondered why Alma's schedule was like that.  Thanks for the info.  Hopefully next year's schedule doesn't have 6 road games.   ???

Six road games is a bummer!

Olivet has six road games this year. It is home, away, away, away, bye week, away, home, away, home, away, home.

And in 2012, we will also have six road games. It is away, away, away, home, home, away, bye week, home, home, away and away.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 22, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2011, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: sac on September 22, 2011, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2011, 10:26:31 AM

 
I wonder how much the MIAA talent pool is depleted by the number of solid D2 schools in the state / region.  I think this conversation has come up before.

GVSU, Ferris State and SVSU have large rosters for D2  (at least I think)  filled with walk-on's who would do well in D3.  All 3 have over 100 players listed, several players without numbers.

Michigan has 8 D2 programs, compare that to Indiana (4), Illinois(3), Ohio(5) and Wisconsin(1) and its easy to see what a difference it makes in level of competition.

That's between 200 to 300 kids who could be scattered across MIAA rosters.

I did not realize there were 8 D2 schools in Michigan, although in hindsight I can see it.  You have a huge D2 powerhouse like Grand Valley smack dab in the middle of MIAA country.  And with all those D2 schools able to offer at least partial athletic scholarships I have to believe they snag a few kids that might otherwise go to an MIAA school.  I suspect tuition is less in many of the D2 schools as well.  Take just a small number of these kids and place them on some MIAA D3 teams I wonder how much it would turn a program around.  I know this sounds like I am making excuses but it makes me wonder how much of a factor that is.

6 of the 8 GLIAC football playing Michigan schools are state schools, Hillsdale and Northwood are private.  So yes tuition is significantly less for those 6 schools, in some cases 1/4 or less.

btw the 8 schools are Grand Valley State, Saginaw Valley State, Ferris State, Wayne State, Hillsdale, Northwood, Northern Michigan and Michigan Tech.

Tech's football program has been close to the budget axe for some time and has had low numbers......but since their cross river D3 neighbor Finlandia will be adding football I don't think numbers is an issue anymore (or money).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 22, 2011, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 22, 2011, 09:46:09 PM


Olivet has six road games this year. It is home, away, away, away, bye week, away, home, away, home, away, home.

And in 2012, we will also have six road games. It is away, away, away, home, home, away, bye week, home, home, away and away.

Good thing Olivet spent all that money improving their home field and facilities.  ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 23, 2011, 07:32:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 22, 2011, 06:41:31 PM
sflzman,

Not that it really matters (and matters even less now), but I'm still curious - was Mason's fumble at the end of the game a give-away or a take-away?  That chintzy new scoreboard of yours doesn't even have slo-mo close-up replay, and it all happened within a sea of very large bodies! ;)

Speaking of the scoreboard (which is VERY nice, despite my crack above), you might want to cue your scoreboard operator to be more careful during pre-game check-out.  As I walked by the stadium, the scoreboard read: Scots 0, Guests 99.  I reported the incident to the Titan faithful, and all agreed it sounded like a pretty good omen! ;D

I believe it was a take away but I can't tell you for sure  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 24, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
Washington and Lee looks good on offense. We had a TD called back for holding. Down 7-0

http://firstteambroadcasting.com/watch/wlu1/ for video
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 24, 2011, 01:36:55 PM
Don't you just love First Team Broadcasting! I love being able to watch W&L games from home in AL. Tough luck on the holding penalty and the overthrows for Alma so far. They look a little confused defensively as well. W&L is a tough offense to play if you don't see something similar on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 24, 2011, 05:13:29 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 24, 2011, 01:36:55 PM
Don't you just love First Team Broadcasting! I love being able to watch W&L games from home in AL. Tough luck on the holding penalty and the overthrows for Alma so far. They look a little confused defensively as well. W&L is a tough offense to play if you don't see something similar on a regular basis.

That was a great game. Wish we could have held on. That offense is ridiculous for you guys. The holding penalty really hurts though  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 24, 2011, 05:33:53 PM
I kept up a pretty good running commentary through the first 3 quarters on the ODAC board and missed the 4th quarter comeback because I had to go take care of my 2 year old daughter. Great game to watch, although as I re-read my comments it was really frustrating to watch both defenses get absolutely over-run. We also had no answer for your kick-off team! Holy cow you were getting great field position! Some of your receivers, especially number 1, are really good. If your QB had come out of the gate a little bit better I think we would have been in trouble. Blame that on a long bus trip as I'm pretty sure you win this one at home.

I liked your big back, Mason? It is tough to run on W&L because they get so much practice against it during the week. Even still, I could see his potential. That being said, you guys going all out throwing made too much sense as we had no answer. If you score instead of throwing the interception late that game is over. Good luck on the rest of your season. I think we are in for a tough time as any coach that watches film of our first four games is going to see that throwing against us is pretty easy. F&M, Centre and you all had great success. Sewanee, who runs an option, got nowhere in a really beneficial match up for us.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 24, 2011, 05:54:19 PM
The Dutchmen have a 2 game non-conference winning streak.

Hope 28 Lakeland 14
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 24, 2011, 06:00:35 PM
Heartbreaking losses for Alma and Albion today.  Good win for Hope and a double-monkeystomp for Kazoo! ;D  Adrian leads CURF (yeah, I know they now go by CUC, but they are in River Forest, NOT Chicago!) 16-14 at the half.

As for Olivet - I'm all for MIAA schools upgrading their schedules, but consecutive games @Elmhurst, @NCC, and @Wheaton?!!  What's up for next year - @UMU, @UMHB, and @UWW?!  (BTW, Elmhurst, NCC, and Wheaton are all within ten miles of each other - perhaps the team should have just relocated to Chicagoland for 3 weeks and save bus travel! ;D)  Kidding aside, good game today, considering the opponent - after last week I was afraid Wheaton might put 90 on you just to show up archrival NCC!  And scheduling Elmhust was not a bad move despite the result this year - they often start 3-0 then go 2-5 in the CCIW.  But NCC and Wheaton?  I admire your coach's guts, but question his sanity. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 24, 2011, 08:26:28 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 24, 2011, 05:33:53 PM
I kept up a pretty good running commentary through the first 3 quarters on the ODAC board and missed the 4th quarter comeback because I had to go take care of my 2 year old daughter. Great game to watch, although as I re-read my comments it was really frustrating to watch both defenses get absolutely over-run. We also had no answer for your kick-off team! Holy cow you were getting great field position! Some of your receivers, especially number 1, are really good. If your QB had come out of the gate a little bit better I think we would have been in trouble. Blame that on a long bus trip as I'm pretty sure you win this one at home.

I liked your big back, Mason? It is tough to run on W&L because they get so much practice against it during the week. Even still, I could see his potential. That being said, you guys going all out throwing made too much sense as we had no answer. If you score instead of throwing the interception late that game is over. Good luck on the rest of your season. I think we are in for a tough time as any coach that watches film of our first four games is going to see that throwing against us is pretty easy. F&M, Centre and you all had great success. Sewanee, who runs an option, got nowhere in a really beneficial match up for us.

Though you say you couldn't stop our pass, we couldnt stop your offense pass or run! Your offense is greatly run since you hardly ever see it in d3. No matter how hard we work against a scout team nothing prepares you for the real deal.

Henderson (#1) is a very good reciever from Hot Springs, AR. His 6-6 frame has made him our favorite target. I agree with you that if Leister (QB) had been able to come out of the gates better it would have been beneficial. It kills that he missed twice to go deep into the W&L zone on the first drive and the one he hit was called back for holding.

All three of our games have been lost with tournovers in the red zone (INT against Heidelberg. Fumble against IWU. INT against W&L), and we have 5 red zone tournovers on the season (or did we have two today? That'd make it 6 on the season).

If we could convert better in the red zone we would be 4-0 right now!!!

Either way I see this as something positive for the Scots and I really feel like I can pick them in pick'ems 6/7 weeks the rest of the year (obviously not the bye week!  ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 24, 2011, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 24, 2011, 08:26:28 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 24, 2011, 05:33:53 PM
I kept up a pretty good running commentary through the first 3 quarters on the ODAC board and missed the 4th quarter comeback because I had to go take care of my 2 year old daughter. Great game to watch, although as I re-read my comments it was really frustrating to watch both defenses get absolutely over-run. We also had no answer for your kick-off team! Holy cow you were getting great field position! Some of your receivers, especially number 1, are really good. If your QB had come out of the gate a little bit better I think we would have been in trouble. Blame that on a long bus trip as I'm pretty sure you win this one at home.

I liked your big back, Mason? It is tough to run on W&L because they get so much practice against it during the week. Even still, I could see his potential. That being said, you guys going all out throwing made too much sense as we had no answer. If you score instead of throwing the interception late that game is over. Good luck on the rest of your season. I think we are in for a tough time as any coach that watches film of our first four games is going to see that throwing against us is pretty easy. F&M, Centre and you all had great success. Sewanee, who runs an option, got nowhere in a really beneficial match up for us.

Though you say you couldn't stop our pass, we couldnt stop your offense pass or run! Your offense is greatly run since you hardly ever see it in d3. No matter how hard we work against a scout team nothing prepares you for the real deal.

Henderson (#1) is a very good reciever from Hot Springs, AR. His 6-6 frame has made him our favorite target. I agree with you that if Leister (QB) had been able to come out of the gates better it would have been beneficial. It kills that he missed twice to go deep into the W&L zone on the first drive and the one he hit was called back for holding.

All three of our games have been lost with tournovers in the red zone (INT against Heidelberg. Fumble against IWU. INT against W&L), and we have 5 red zone tournovers on the season (or did we have two today? That'd make it 6 on the season).

If we could convert better in the red zone we would be 4-0 right now!!!

Either way I see this as something positive for the Scots and I really feel like I can pick them in pick'ems 6/7 weeks the rest of the year (obviously not the bye week!  ;D)

Gosh - you've gotten so discouraged you can't even pick the Scots to beat 'bye'?!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 24, 2011, 10:10:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 24, 2011, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 24, 2011, 08:26:28 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 24, 2011, 05:33:53 PM
I kept up a pretty good running commentary through the first 3 quarters on the ODAC board and missed the 4th quarter comeback because I had to go take care of my 2 year old daughter. Great game to watch, although as I re-read my comments it was really frustrating to watch both defenses get absolutely over-run. We also had no answer for your kick-off team! Holy cow you were getting great field position! Some of your receivers, especially number 1, are really good. If your QB had come out of the gate a little bit better I think we would have been in trouble. Blame that on a long bus trip as I'm pretty sure you win this one at home.

I liked your big back, Mason? It is tough to run on W&L because they get so much practice against it during the week. Even still, I could see his potential. That being said, you guys going all out throwing made too much sense as we had no answer. If you score instead of throwing the interception late that game is over. Good luck on the rest of your season. I think we are in for a tough time as any coach that watches film of our first four games is going to see that throwing against us is pretty easy. F&M, Centre and you all had great success. Sewanee, who runs an option, got nowhere in a really beneficial match up for us.

Though you say you couldn't stop our pass, we couldnt stop your offense pass or run! Your offense is greatly run since you hardly ever see it in d3. No matter how hard we work against a scout team nothing prepares you for the real deal.

Henderson (#1) is a very good reciever from Hot Springs, AR. His 6-6 frame has made him our favorite target. I agree with you that if Leister (QB) had been able to come out of the gates better it would have been beneficial. It kills that he missed twice to go deep into the W&L zone on the first drive and the one he hit was called back for holding.

All three of our games have been lost with tournovers in the red zone (INT against Heidelberg. Fumble against IWU. INT against W&L), and we have 5 red zone tournovers on the season (or did we have two today? That'd make it 6 on the season).

If we could convert better in the red zone we would be 4-0 right now!!!

Either way I see this as something positive for the Scots and I really feel like I can pick them in pick'ems 6/7 weeks the rest of the year (obviously not the bye week!  ;D)

Gosh - you've gotten so discouraged you can't even pick the Scots to beat 'bye'?!!

Mr Ypsi, as little as a percent chance we will fail to win that week, i just can't come to ANY scenario where we get a win!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 24, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
Anyone got a recap on the Albion game? It didn't look like either athletic department had posted a recap.

Though maybe had someone had some first hand insight.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on September 25, 2011, 05:01:15 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 24, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
Anyone got a recap on the Albion game? It didn't look like either athletic department had posted a recap.

Though maybe had someone had some first hand insight.

UWSP's (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2011/9/24/FB_0924113018.aspx?path=football) recap.

Albion's (http://albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4402-defense-shines-in-football-setback) recap
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 25, 2011, 11:55:39 AM
The Adrian/Trine match-up will be a good one, but I give the edge to Trine at home. K-Zoo has been playing well, so another good one against Albion, but K-zoo may have the edge.
The Alma game is a real toss up! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 25, 2011, 07:26:24 PM
Looking forward to the Trine/Adrian game :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on September 25, 2011, 07:43:02 PM
don't want to jinx the boys, but k-zoo is looking good. jones got o-player of week last week, he had an even better game this week. they have a look in their eyes this year. also, henderson isn't 6-6, he's only 6-5 :D he's my wife's & i's adopted son from hs. good kid, can't wait til fri oct. 28 for braggin rights in our house.  hope everyones enjoying the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LETS ROLL on September 26, 2011, 01:44:15 AM
Hey guys. Wheaton Poster here. I was wondering if there are any Olivet posters that were at all three games that the comets played against CCIW schools. I am curious as to what your thoughts would be after seeing EC, NCC and WC play the last few weeks.

I also want to express my sincere appreciation for the pride and effort that Olivet showed against Wheaton on Saturday. This is a team that has had an extremely rough  non-conference schedule, and to show up each saturday and fight hard from start to finish deserves to be commended in my opinion. Olivet was still making plays well into the 4th quarter and didn't let off the gas once, even when the game was clearly in Wheaton's favor.

I think that it can be very easy for a team who has had trouble winning games to show up week after week and still give each team your best shot. I recall an NCC poster last week expressing similar thoughts regarding the comets. With this kind of attitude, I feel like the coaches and players deserve respect, and if they can keep it up, with some added talent, could be the building block for success in the future. I hope the best for you this year as you enter conference play. Keep fighting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 26, 2011, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 24, 2011, 08:26:28 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 24, 2011, 05:33:53 PM

I liked your big back, Mason? It is tough to run on W&L because they get so much practice against it during the week. Even still, I could see his potential. That being said, you guys going all out throwing made too much sense as we had no answer. If you score instead of throwing the interception late that game is over. Good luck on the rest of your season. I think we are in for a tough time as any coach that watches film of our first four games is going to see that throwing against us is pretty easy. F&M, Centre and you all had great success. Sewanee, who runs an option, got nowhere in a really beneficial match up for us.

Though you say you couldn't stop our pass, we couldnt stop your offense pass or run! Your offense is greatly run since you hardly ever see it in d3. No matter how hard we work against a scout team nothing prepares you for the real deal.

Henderson (#1) is a very good reciever from Hot Springs, AR. His 6-6 frame has made him our favorite target. I agree with you that if Leister (QB) had been able to come out of the gates better it would have been beneficial. It kills that he missed twice to go deep into the W&L zone on the first drive and the one he hit was called back for holding.

All three of our games have been lost with tournovers in the red zone (INT against Heidelberg. Fumble against IWU. INT against W&L), and we have 5 red zone tournovers on the season (or did we have two today? That'd make it 6 on the season).

If we could convert better in the red zone we would be 4-0 right now!!!

Either way I see this as something positive for the Scots and I really feel like I can pick them in pick'ems 6/7 weeks the rest of the year (obviously not the bye week!  ;D)

Good luck with the rest of your season. I'm looking forward to getting into our conference schedule now. Don't think we'll run the table like we did last year, D is too porous right now, but it has been a good pre-season. Not often we play teams in 4 different states to start the year (PA, TN, KY, and MI) and it was great that Alma was willing to make the drive. I hope your boys appreciated the trip, even if the outcome wasn't what they hoped. Don't get too discouraged, we started 1-3 last year, improving each game, and then swept through the conference. I'll be rooting for you to do the same, although mainly to help our SoS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 26, 2011, 11:56:44 AM
Kzoodad:

Nice to see Kazoo off to a good start this year (too bad about that close(r) loss to Manchester).  Coach Zorbo and staff seem to be on the "edge" of getting the program finally turned around, at least competitive, although it is too early in the season to tell.  The only other disappointing aspect so far (IMO) is the dismal attendance they've had - 883 and 606 for home games in Western Michigan University's huge Waldo Stadium is not good.  I would have thought that playing there might have somehow brought in some additional fans.  Anyway, this will be a huge test for them against Albion this Saturday.  Even though Albion has not done well so far, they are always tough and, most likely, they'll be "gunning" to avenge the loss to Kazoo last year as I recall.  Then the following week, Kazoo plays at our place, so I guess I'll be able to make my own assessment as to how they are doing. ;D

Hope had a nice win Saturday to get us back to .500 record and that is a good confidence booster.  I probably shouldn't say this here, however, I'll just mention it anyway...playing in front of only 300 fans as we did against Lakeland this past Saturday is quite disappointing.  Heck, even some of the most less-talented high schools play in front of more fans than that.  Very disappointing.  I think even Eureka College in Illinois pulls more fans than that.  Oh well.  Anyway, Hope will have a tough contest up at Alma this Saturday as the Hope/Alma game is pretty much always a "barnburner", especially up there at Balhke Stadium.

BTW, sflzman, don't forget that we'll have to meet at the Victory Bell on the south end of the field either say, during pre-game warm-ups or at halftime (my brother is coming with me also, so that will be great, even though we'll be cheering for opposite teams ;D :)).  Let me know.  Pre-game time slot might be a little less hectic for both of us, but let me know.  We'll work it out one way or the other.

Mr. Ypsi:
Poor Eastern Michigan - another blowout this past weekend.  Ouch. :-X :o :'(

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 26, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
Although probably not many of our MIAA fans have and/or are able to make it out to the Stagg Bowl (with the exception of the year that Albion won it all in 1994), although I have gone 3 times, so there probably isn't much interest in this topic and unlike over on the OAC board for obvious reasons. :D  Still, it is disappointing to see that ESPN and the NCAA have moved the Stagg Bowl to a Friday late afternoon/early evening time slot now.  Various opinions have been expressed regarding that (and also the poll here on d3.com's front page), yet I guess I'm of the opinion that it is not a good move for the fan's perspective.  Without question, it is the $ aspect that the NCAA has to make sure they obtain and, as such, they have to follow what ESPN want's to dictate.  Yet, for many people (at least for me), it will make it much more ifficult to now have to take off additional regular work days to go out there (even if one were to fly) as even if you drove and were getting there late Friday night for the Saturday game, you could still be home by Sunday evening.  Of course, for those who were planning on going for all of the festivities from Wed on (obviously, for parents of the team's players and alumni), it doesn't matter as they would be there anyway, regardless of when the game is to be played.  Yet, for the rest of us fans who enjoy going to that game occasionally, it will be harder.  Especially since I don't have ESPNU. :'(  Your thoughts anyone?  :'( ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 26, 2011, 12:10:31 PM
Raider68:

Garcon played very well last evening against the Steelers, yet too bad his teammates couldn't help him pull out the win.  Had Painter made that one pass to him toward the end of the game, I think it very well could have have won the game for Indy by "changing the flavor" at that point, even though it was a close game and Pittsburgh moved the ball well in the last 3 minutes. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 26, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 25, 2011, 05:01:15 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 24, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
Anyone got a recap on the Albion game? It didn't look like either athletic department had posted a recap.

Though maybe had someone had some first hand insight.

UWSP's (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2011/9/24/FB_0924113018.aspx?path=football) recap.

Albion's (http://albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4402-defense-shines-in-football-setback) recap

Thanks BoBo,

This wasn't up when I put up my post. I had checked on both sites. Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 26, 2011, 03:31:37 PM
The basketball side of this site will reference masseyratings.com frequently.

Here's the MIAA's ratings for football.  (There are 240 D3 programs rated)  Here's the link  http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf   You'll have to play around with the settings to get the D3 list.

RATING
Trine #54
Adrian #55
Albion #90
Kzoo #136
Alma #143
Hope #145
Olivet #213




Schedule strength.
Albion #9
Olivet #88
Alma #124
Adrian #137
Hope #158
Trine #173
Kzoo #201

What I find interesting here is the perception on the board (perhaps I'm wrong) that the MIAA has been playing better opponents when in fact 5 of the 7 teams played a below average non-conference schedule.


As a conference the MIAA comes in ranked #14 or just slightly above the average in D3.  Last weekend's performances were enough to raise the MIAA from last week's slighly below average rating.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on September 26, 2011, 03:47:20 PM
While the Massey ratings can be debated until you turn blue in the face, just keep in mind it has all 10 NESCAC schools rated in the top 52 teams in the country after 1 game. Since they only play each other, half those teams have wins, half have losses. However, since it ranks as the toughest conference, they all appear high in the ratings. Given we have no actual way of ranking these teams against any other, since they don't compete out of conference or in the playoffs, it is a ridiculous skew of the rankings in general.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 26, 2011, 04:20:31 PM
Not to be a dead horse, but I've been saying for a while that the strength of schedule for the MIAA isn't very good, especially as it relates to Trine.

If the conference is going to gain any respect in the future, they're going to have to do it as a whole against other conferences in the non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 26, 2011, 04:22:28 PM
sflzman.

Its you against formerd3db this Saturday! Well, not really, but what do you think? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2011, 04:30:11 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 26, 2011, 04:20:31 PM
Not to be a dead horse, but I've been saying for a while that the strength of schedule for the MIAA isn't very good, especially as it relates to Trine.

If the conference is going to gain any respect in the future, they're going to have to do it as a whole against other conferences in the non-conference schedule.

Yeah, that would not be a good thing - on these boards you'd get beaten a lot! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2011, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 26, 2011, 04:22:28 PM
sflzman.

Its you against formerd3db this Saturday! Well, not really, but what do you think? :)

As a Titan fan, I'll be picking Alma (esp. since the game is in Alma) in the Pickems.  (Of course, considering where I stand in the Pickems, y'all may want to bet on Hope! :P)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 26, 2011, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2011, 04:30:11 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 26, 2011, 04:20:31 PM
Not to be a dead horse, but I've been saying for a while that the strength of schedule for the MIAA isn't very good, especially as it relates to Trine.

If the conference is going to gain any respect in the future, they're going to have to do it as a whole against other conferences in the non-conference schedule.

Yeah, that would not be a good thing - on these boards you'd get beaten a lot! ;D

Isn't that the truth. LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 26, 2011, 06:31:18 PM
Seeing how it's Monday, and seeing how there are a few new posters like myself, I thought I'd ask..."what's behind your message board screen name"

Thunder Head - I took this name because it sounded cool to my son and his friend... And it matches with the Trine Thunder, but mainly because it sounded cool to them. And hey, if it's cool to a 4th grader - it must be cool right. ::)

Other names taken under consideration: ThunderBlunder ;), LightingStrike :-[, DarkCloud  8-) (another favorite), RainMaker :-\, and StormWarning ???.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
TH, the story behind my name is on page 7 of the CCIW basketball boards.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 26, 2011, 09:51:18 PM
I got to go to two college football games on Saturday. Guess which one was more gripping - the one in front of 104,000 fans and perhaps the most exciting player in college football, or the one at Adrian College? Take the latter. Great atmosphere with an excited homecoming campus and a nice crowd at a quality facility. The other CUC parents and fans marveled at the Adrian athletic facilities as a whole.

I'm glad I could watch an MIAA team in Adrian so I can gauge where CUC may be in relation to other teams and conferences as the year plays out. I will say this; there was a big difference in personnel between Adrian and CUC. Although it's tough to tell exactly with pads on, Adrian players looked - well, more chiseled and athletic, especially their defense. Man was their defense strong - aggressive and fast. I am really looking forward to see how Adrian competes with Trine and some of the other top teams in the MIAA. I would have to think that they've got a good shot at winning the league championship.

As far as the game goes, Adrian seemed to be comfortably in control the whole game, but darned if CUC didn't have them down by one with five minutes left. Adrian didn't exactly help themselves out by missing two chip-shot field goals and an extra point, throwing three interceptions, and getting a ton of penalties, five of which gave CUC first downs (including a roughing the kicker penalty just before half in the back of Concordia's endzone).

It was interesting that Adrian, when faced with a deficit with five minutes to go, turned to a freshman quarterback. I'm not sure that the starter was that ineffective. Even though he threw three picks and a number of incomplete deep balls, some of them were consequences of questionable play-calling or lousy down and distance (3rd & 30, etc.). Of course Concordia didn't help themselves by, after taking the late lead, kicking the ensuing kickoff out-of-bounds and then only rushing three on consecutive 3rd and longs which, to his credit, the QB stood back coolly and waited for someone to come open. (When you're only rushing three, they eventually do.)

I think Adrian has a real chance to make big noise in the MIAA if they cut down on their mistakes. Good luck to the Bulldogs the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 26, 2011, 09:55:38 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 26, 2011, 04:22:28 PM
sflzman.

Its you against formerd3db this Saturday! Well, not really, but what do you think? :)

Haha I say we take it by 17 at home to be up front a blunt  ;D

But that of course is on paper, and Hope always gives us a dogfight....

Former, are we still up for meeting at the liberty bell by the main gates at the half?

Quote from: ThunderHead on September 26, 2011, 06:31:18 PM
Seeing how it's Monday, and seeing how there are a few new posters like myself, I thought I'd ask..."what's behind your message board screen name"

Thunder Head - I took this name because it sounded cool to my son and his friend... And it matches with the Trine Thunder, but mainly because it sounded cool to them. And hey, if it's cool to a 4th grader - it must be cool right. ::)

Other names taken under consideration: ThunderBlunder ;), LightingStrike :-[, DarkCloud  8-) (another favorite), RainMaker :-\, and StormWarning ???.

I believe I put mine out there a few weeks back, but it could have been in a PM and I'm just too lazy to look back a few pages  ;D ;D

SFL (south Florida, where I was born in a Miami suburb)

Z (my name is Zach)

Man (I believe you can all figure that one out  ;) )
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2011, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
TH, the story behind my name is on page 7 of the CCIW basketball boards.

Oof. Been a while.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 27, 2011, 10:54:52 PM
Forgot to mention that alma returns tony galarno from suspension for Saturdays game against hope. Galarano will help a defense that is aready pretty solid. Word is that he will start at left end....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 27, 2011, 11:13:57 PM
@ RFMichigan.  Thanks for your compliments.  We are very proud of our facilities and our team.  And yes, they were sloppy with the penalties.  If they can work that out, they have a great shot at beating Trine, IMHO.  It was an amazing game with an amazing crowd.  It is my son's senior year and I was very happy with the turn out.  With a stadium that size and have standing room only type of crowd, makes for a great atmosphere. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 28, 2011, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2011, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
TH, the story behind my name is on page 7 of the CCIW basketball boards.

Oof. Been a while.

I had actually forgotten about your previous screenname.  Ah, the memories of the Cabonney Rule!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 28, 2011, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: matblake on September 28, 2011, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2011, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
TH, the story behind my name is on page 7 of the CCIW basketball boards.

Oof. Been a while.

I had actually forgotten about your previous screenname.  Ah, the memories of the Cabonney Rule!

Every once in awhile I start to type Cabs in reference to Mr. Ypsi - ahh, the olden days   :)

I guess my screen name is pretty self-explanatory
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 28, 2011, 04:56:44 PM
Ok Fellas,

With conference play starting up, how about ROLL CALL

Alas I'll be at OSU vs MSU on Saturday.

But I'd like to be at Trine vs Albion if I could make an MIAA game. My personal thoughts are Trine is over-rated, and maybe Adrian can give them a run for their money. In the Pickem I took Trine because it's at home, but if it was at Adrian, I would have gone with them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2011, 07:33:17 PM
In follow-up with the rest of you who have explained your names; I guess my posting nickname is rather obvious as well regarding my history with DIII.  BTW, ThunderHead, you temporarily left our "Helmet Club", although the thunderhead cloud signifies the association just as well.

RE: Roll call; I'll be at the Hope @ Alma game, my brother will be joining me. We're looking forward to a nostalgic return to the campus and seeing some of the new "digs" (Smith Arena and the new trophy display areas and the renovations at Bahlke Stadium).

sflzman:
Halftime at the Victory Bell is fine.  Let's make it toward the latter half of the halftime period since I need to attend to some official duties with our team right at the beginning of halftime.  I'd like to introduce you to my brother also, a great former Alma student-athlete and recipient of the annual Jim Wright Athletic Award there.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 28, 2011, 09:08:01 PM
Roll Call:

Friday: Alma volleyball vs. Trine. Debut of the "Maroon Monsoon" the place should be rocking! The new arena with a low ceiling makes the atmosphere awesome!

Saturday: Alma and Hope for Football. (former, I PM'd you)

Sunday: High School Fall Baseball....(maybe try to catch a little bit of the Vikings game at a random sports bar in East Lansing, as well)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2011, 12:10:25 AM
sflzman:

I "PM'd" you back, so check yours.  Thanks for sharing.  I am looking forward to meeting you on Saturday.  May the best team win!

formerd3db 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 29, 2011, 12:26:10 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

About half of the MIAA pickers so far are going with Albion this Saturday against K-zoo with no points involved. Maybe I am missing something, but Albion has not won a game and they are playing away! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 29, 2011, 04:33:32 PM
sflzman, Your 17 point "on paper" spread in the Alma-Hope game is probably quite fair (maybe even generous looking at the IWU comon oppontent comparison)....However, much will depend on which Hope team shows up......If its the team that just plays the game, makes offensive mistakes, gives up too many big plays defensively, and finds the concept of smash mouth football evasive, it might be too low...But, if its the team that plays reletively mistake free, is much more emotionally charged and gets after people (particularly demonstrated in the second half this past Saturday) it could be a more competitive game.....Its a big game for Hope (they are all big right now), so we'll have to see how the boys come out and play.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 29, 2011, 04:34:23 PM
and...I'll be in Alma Saturday afternoon......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 29, 2011, 08:44:48 PM
I'm not sure about formerd3db but maybe you'd like to join us near the victory bell at halftime? The more the merrier right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 29, 2011, 09:56:42 PM
It's a big game Saturday between Adrian and Trine, and just out of curiosity, are there any Adrian posters with a take on the upcoming game?  ???

I don't recall anyone with an Adrian handle, but after a 4-0 start, and with a recorded attendance of 4200 people at home coming, I'm surprised they don't have a few poster on the board.  ???

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 29, 2011, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 29, 2011, 12:26:10 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

About half of the MIAA pickers so far are going with Albion this Saturday against K-zoo with no points involved. Maybe I am missing something, but Albion has not won a game and they are playing away! ::) ::)

Just got home for the weekend from my 'fall sojourn'.  (I spend 4-5 days a week at Bruin Lake campground almost until the snow flies.)

It's going by tradition.  Albion is nearly always a power; Kazoo is nearly always a doormat.  By THIS year's performance, Kazoo is the obvious favorite, but I confess that I'm still undecided for the pickems.

How many thought Muskingum would stay within 20 points of ONU, much less beat them by 20?!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 29, 2011, 10:31:19 PM
Oh, the Adrian posters are here.  But this board <imho> tends to bash anyone that is proud of their DOGS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on September 29, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
But of COURSE, I am picking ADRIAN over   t   r   i  n  e.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2011, 11:13:47 PM
hopewatcher:

Excellent post, +k :).  I agree with you in that it depends which version of our team decides to show up.  Obviously, I'm hoping for last week's version.  I'm sure you will agree with me that our secondary will have its work cut out for them because of Alma's famed "Scot Gun" offense.  Alma's receiving corps will get their yards, however, Hope's secondary simply cannot give up the TD bombs that they usually tend to do.  That will kill us without question.  My take is that our offense obviously has to return/match scores with Alma for us to be within grasp of winning the game.  As I previously posted, I do not doubt that Alma will be extremely energized to avenge last week's loss and...they always, always get pumped in playing us (Hope) - they sure do not need any encouragement for that.  I just hope that our Hope guys have that same attitude tomorrow and/or do not get complacent like they sometimes do and/or do not get psyched out in playing up there at Bahlke Stadium (it has happened before, although there have been some tremendous games there also between the two teams).

Weather looks good so far for Saturday, albeit cooler temps, so we'll all have to dress warm.

Also, as sflzman mentioned, do join us for a visit at the Victory Bell at halftime (latter half of halftime as we've some official duties to take care of in the minutes prior).  See you all on Saturday and safe travels. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2011, 11:16:09 PM
ThunderHead:

Wow, 4200 at Homecoming for Adrian?  That is good and it's about time.  Their fans have been somewhat complacent in recent years for various reasons :o.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 30, 2011, 10:51:04 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 29, 2011, 11:13:47 PM
hopewatcher:

Excellent post, +k :).  I agree with you in that it depends which version of our team decides to show up.  Obviously, I'm hoping for last week's version.  I'm sure you will agree with me that our secondary will have its work cut out for them because of Alma's famed "Scot Gun" offense.  Alma's receiving corp will get their yards, however, Hope's secondary simply cannot give up the TD bombs that they usually tend to do.  That will kill us without question.  My take is that our offense obviously has to return/match scores with Alma for us to be within grasp of winning the game.  As I previously posted, I do not doubt that Alma will be extremely energized to avenge last week's loss and...they always, always get pumped in playing us (Hope) - they sure do not need any encouragement for that.  I just hope that our Hope guys have that same attitude tomorrow and/or do not get complacent like they sometimes do and/or do not get psyched out in playing up there at Bahlke Stadium (it has happended before, although there have been some tremendous games there also between the two teams).

Weather looks good so far for Saturday, albeit cooler temps, so we'll all have to dress warm.

Also, as sflzman mentioned, do join us for a visit at the Victory Bell at halftime (latter half of halftime as we've some official duties to take care of in the minutes prior).  See you all on Saturday and safe travels.

formerd3db,

Enjoy the game, Hope it will be a good one! Our grandson turns one, so that is my Saturday (Can't wait)! :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 30, 2011, 11:32:19 AM
Thanks for the invitation.....I'll see you tomorrow...travel safe....Go Hope!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 06:27:38 PM
Quote from: hopewatcher on September 30, 2011, 11:32:19 AM
Thanks for the invitation.....I'll see you tomorrow...travel safe....Go Hope!

You are welcome.  Also, dress warm; although it is supposed to be sunny, I fear/hear that the cooler fall weather is predicted.  I am fine with that as long as this rain we've had the past 4 days goes away. :D ;D  Yes, see you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for the well-wishes.  Congrats on your grandson - hey, you are too young for that!  Anyway, good luck to your own Mount team tomorrow, although they won't need it. :)  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 30, 2011, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for the well-wishes.  Congrats on your grandson - hey, you are too young for that!  Anyway, good luck to your own Mount team tomorrow, although they won't need it. :)  Talk to you later.

formerd3db,

Actually our other grandson Ethan just turned 3 and I was at his party as well. It will be cold on Saturday! :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 30, 2011, 07:50:20 PM
formerD3er,

a K+ to get you off "666" with the karma.  :)

Have a great trip to Alma, and I hope everyone has safe travels this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 10:49:43 PM
Raider68:
Yes, I am going to dress warm for tomorrow's game.  The rain here is supposed to stop by tomorrow (although it is still raining and windy tonight right now) and sunny but cold. 

ThunderHead:

Good grief - I :) hadn't noticed that number, which obviously scares me. So thanks very much!

Thanks also for the well-wishes for our Alma trip.  Best wishes to you wherever you are going as well and also I join you in wishing everyone else the same.  As Raider68 suggested, everyone should dress warm!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2011, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 10:49:43 PM
Raider68:
Yes, I am going to dress warm for tomorrow's game.  The rain here is supposed to stop by tomorrow (although it is still raining and windy tonight right now) and sunny but cold. 

ThunderHead:

Good grief - I :) hadn't noticed that number, which obviously scares me. So thanks very much!

Thanks also for the well-wishes for our Alma trip.  Best wishes to you wherever you are going as well and also I join you in wishing everyone else the same.  As Raider68 suggested, everyone should dress warm!

You posted at nearly 11 pm, yet it is 'sunny'?!  Can I have some of what you are drinking?! ;D

I came back in for the weekend from my fall 'camping odyssey', having endured four consecutive days of rain.  I'll be going back out Sunday - supposed to be much better.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on September 30, 2011, 11:04:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2011, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 10:49:43 PM
Raider68:
Yes, I am going to dress warm for tomorrow's game.  The rain here is supposed to stop by tomorrow (although it is still raining and windy tonight right now) and sunny but cold. 

ThunderHead:

Good grief - I :) hadn't noticed that number, which obviously scares me. So thanks very much!

Thanks also for the well-wishes for our Alma trip.  Best wishes to you wherever you are going as well and also I join you in wishing everyone else the same.  As Raider68 suggested, everyone should dress warm!

You posted at nearly 11 pm, yet it is 'sunny'?!  Can I have some of what you are drinking?! ;D

I came back in for the weekend from my fall 'camping odyssey', having endured four consecutive days of rain.  I'll be going back out Sunday - supposed to be much better.

Doesn't that one word seem to sum up weather in the Great Lakes region?  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2011, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on September 30, 2011, 11:04:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 30, 2011, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 30, 2011, 10:49:43 PM
Raider68:
Yes, I am going to dress warm for tomorrow's game.  The rain here is supposed to stop by tomorrow (although it is still raining and windy tonight right now) and sunny but cold. 

ThunderHead:

Good grief - I :) hadn't noticed that number, which obviously scares me. So thanks very much!

Thanks also for the well-wishes for our Alma trip.  Best wishes to you wherever you are going as well and also I join you in wishing everyone else the same.  As Raider68 suggested, everyone should dress warm!

You posted at nearly 11 pm, yet it is 'sunny'?!  Can I have some of what you are drinking?! ;D

I came back in for the weekend from my fall 'camping odyssey', having endured four consecutive days of rain.  I'll be going back out Sunday - supposed to be much better.

Doesn't that one word seem to sum up weather in the Great Lakes region?  ;D

Yep!  My campground is halfway between East Lansing and Ann Arbor.  I listen to both WKAR (EL) and WUOM (AA) - this fall it is sometimes raining when both stations are reporting sunny skies! :P  Though in fairness, the reverse has also happened - sunshine when both report rain.

So far, the fall SUCKS.  But I'm an optimist - October WILL(?) be lovely! ;D

Game one at NY rained out (though a 'suspended' game, so will resume at 1-1 in the middle of the second).  Sunday will be both Lions and Tigers, though they haven't said the time of the Tigers game (as far as I've heard), so don't know if it will be a channel changer or a marathon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 01, 2011, 10:54:22 AM
It is FREEZING here in Alma today!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 01, 2011, 02:39:14 PM
Halftime Trine 0. Adrian 20
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 01, 2011, 03:10:44 PM
Start of fourth quarter trine 7 Adrian 20
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 01, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
Final: Adrian 26 Trine 7.  The streak is over folks!  Congrats to Adrian first off.  Better team won today.  I should say the team with the best quarterback won.  Hargraves was...umm...pathetic.  I counted 5 turnovers, 4 picks and 1 fumble.  Kept waiting for Coach Land to make a change, never happened.  We needed a spark...nothing.  Adrian is solid.  Impressive defense, opportunistic offense.  They aren't going to "wow" you.  Trine D actually played pretty well.  Adrian's big plays were "jump balls" to a 6'4" receiver over our 5'8" D back.  All 3 of Adrian's receivers are good though.  They had short fields b/c of all our mistakes and Hargraves ineptness.

I wish Coach Land would have put Blackport in.  Give him a series or two, see if he could get the team going.  I mean last night BYU needed a spark because their starting QB just wasn't getting it done.  And it worked out as they came back to win.

Another huge crowd at Trine...had to be 5000+.  Adrian had a good contingent too.  Again, congrats to Adrian, well done!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 01, 2011, 04:14:12 PM
It was an amazing game. Nice job Bulldogs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 01, 2011, 04:33:31 PM
On the flipside, we had an ugly game up here. I don't think Alma or Hope would be satisfied with how they played, 5 fumbles, and 2 interceptions total.

The officiating here was AWFUL to say the least.

Hats of to Shawn Jackson though, he played amazing for Hope. 156 rushing yards to go along with 5 TD's. Without seeing stats from the rest of the league, I'd say he has a high chance at player of the week.

Hopewatcher: formerd3db and I missed you at halftime.....maybe some other time, I guess.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 01, 2011, 04:43:16 PM
You mentioned that the better qback won but I think the better defense won,
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 01, 2011, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: ForeverFootball on October 01, 2011, 04:43:16 PM
You mentioned that the better qback won but I think the better defense won,
Both defenses were very good today.  Adrian's D got better pressure on the QB than Trine's though and of course we all know about the turnovers.  The picks that Adrian had were gimmees too.  Just not enough zip on the ball from Hargraves.  Trine's D actually held Adrian to a little over 200 yds and only 10 first downs, which should keep you in the game, and it did to a certain extent.  After Trine scored to get the game to 20-7 early in 4th, we forced Adrian to a 3 and out, the home crowd was pumped.  But, very first play...int.  Momentum back to Adrian...ballgame.  Just a bad read by Hargraves, never saw the LB roll in front of intended receiver.  You can't give an opposing offense so many short fields and expect to win and Adrian took advantage of it like a good team should.  Yes defensively Adrian played lights out, but Hargraves made them look good too. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 01, 2011, 07:02:09 PM
Well , don't be too hard on him. Adrian's defense has and hopefully will look like that every game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 01, 2011, 07:41:45 PM
Congrats to Adrian, Albion and Hope on big wins today! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 01, 2011, 08:43:13 PM
Allegedly Hope won in Alma by a 38-15 margin.  Ignore that! ;D

By the principle of comparative scores, Hope lost at IWU, 35-0; Alma lost at home to IWU by only 17-9; ergo, Hope at Alma lost by 27! :D

Geez, why do I try to pick winners and losers?! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 01, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
Well, you have to be ready for every game.  That is why they play and not just go by how "they did against the other guy".  It should be an interesting MIAA season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2011, 08:55:13 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 01, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
Final: Adrian 26 Trine 7.  The streak is over folks!  Congrats to Adrian first off.  Better team won today.  I should say the team with the best quarterback won.  Hargraves was...umm...pathetic.  I counted 5 turnovers, 4 picks and 1 fumble.  Kept waiting for Coach Land to make a change, never happened.  We needed a spark...nothing.  Adrian is solid.  Impressive defense, opportunistic offense.  They aren't going to "wow" you.  Trine D actually played pretty well.  Adrian's big plays were "jump balls" to a 6'4" receiver over our 5'8" D back.  All 3 of Adrian's receivers are good though.  They had short fields b/c of all our mistakes and Hargraves ineptness.

I wish Coach Land would have put Blackport in.  Give him a series or two, see if he could get the team going.  I mean last night BYU needed a spark because their starting QB just wasn't getting it done.  And it worked out as they came back to win.

Another huge crowd at Trine...had to be 5000+.  Adrian had a good contingent too.  Again, congrats to Adrian, well done!!

I don't think Blackport would have done any better, and if he were that good he would have been in.  Isn't there another QB above him on the depth chart?  The o-line was the biggest problem, I think.  That is NOT an excuse for a couple of the picks, but also remember Hargraves was running for his life most of the game.  One of Trine's best o-linemen Kill was hurt and not able to play.  No running game at all.  There was one dropped TD pass in the end zone.  Congrats to Adrian, they came to play.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2011, 09:09:19 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
I was drinking, yes, but Coca-Cola!  I should have put the phrase in brackets after the "sunny and cooler" so that sentence made more sense!  But, indeed, it was late last evening and I was getting tired when I posted!  Also, as you say, it is hard to try and figure out these teams as it depends on which team version shows up each week.

sflzman:
I believe we DID meet at the bell at halftime, if that was you I was talking to at the field team entry gate near the Victory Bell right after we came out of the locker rooms? (I had sunglasses on)  Didn't we both mention about how poorly the officiating crew was performing?  Nice to see you if that was you! :)  Also, I guess I did miss Hopewatcher, too.  Anyway, it was a beautiful day for a game.  I'm glad Hope won, although disappointed for you and my brother and clan.  It was nice to see some of my former Alma colleagues and we also got a nice V.I.P. tour of Alma's new athletic facilities after the game.  Anyway, had Alma scored on those two possessions down around the red zone in the first half, I believe it would have been an entirely different game.  Going into the 4th quarter leading 31-0, what we feared might happen, almost did.  Our offense began sputtering (two fumbles), but our defense held and your Alma offense could not convert.  Leister is a strong QB with a strong arm, but unfortunately for Alma, he was not quite on target for most of the day and your receiving corps did not play very well.  Mason is a huge back as you, Ypsi and others have mentioned.  I was surprised to see the "Hope College Style" huge splits on offense.  I think one of the differences today was that Hope's offensive line did some great blocking (a few minor missed assignments, but not too many) and as you mentioned, Jackson's running kept us ahead as he had good holes to hit most of the day.  Our kicking game was good, including FG and PATs.  So a disappointing loss for Alma, but a good win for Hope - a big confidence booster. It was interesting to see that Alma's linemen are of good size and as I've mentioned long ago, our Hope line is bigger this year overall than we've had in recent years I believe. 

One final note: I see where the attendance was listed as 1275.  IMO, that seems to be a little low as while Bahlke Stadium was far from full, it certainly appeared more than 1275 to me (if you include the Kilte Marching Band) - the stadium appeared to me to be about just about 3/4 full on the home stadium side.  I could be wrong, however.  Speaking of attendance, the 5600+ at Trine for today's Trine/Adrian game must have been a very neat experience and atmosphere, except, of course, for the Trine home fans since they lost.  Clearly, this puts Adrian in the current "driver's seat" based on how they have played, but obviously, there is still a ways to go as yet.   Hope still has too tough games in the next two weeks even though they are both "home" games (Kazoo for a night game and Albion for Homecoming the following week) before facing Trine.  So as everyone would agree, we all have to take this one game at a time.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2011, 09:16:56 PM
I forgot to expound on sflzman's mention about the officiating today.  Indeed, it was, unfortunately, not very good (I am saying that diplomatically ;D :) ::) :P).  They missed and/or just did not make calls for either team.  Moreover, what was further disappointing is that they just seem to not be in control i.e. one example is a well-over 30 second delay in calling an intentional grounding in the first half; another in the second half was the call of roughing the kicker on a punt, which IMO, was made only after hounding by the coaching staff on several of those occasions well before then.  Make the right call, don't wait for "make ups" or try to even aspects out.  Unfortunately, this particular crew was not very attentive and did not watch things closely and reacted very slowly. Holding by linemen was simply missed or IMO, just not called all day long. Again, this was not one-sided, but rather affected both teams.  I hope we (Hope) don't get this same crew again this year - it will be very disappointing and...I think this was more than "just a bad day" for these refs.  Just MO. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
Upon the thought of a possible long term move out west, I felt I needed to see at least one last Trine game, and home coming seemed to be it. So I donated my MSU vs OSU tickets to a friend and headed to Angola.

SO - here it is.

If we give credit to Coach Land when things go well, then it's fair he shares in the blame for the absolute failure of a football performance I saw today.

Ryan Hargraves was an absolute abomination to the quarterback position, and Coach Land, Coach Simmerel, and Coach Pifer ALL deserve the blame as well.

HOW do you let a kid throw 4 interceptions (he would have thrown five but two Adrian guys literal pulled the ball away from each other with no Trine receiver around them), fumble twice (one of which was recovered by WR Nash-Kniffen), complete less then half his passes, and NEVER consider pulling him.

Ryan looked like a JV level quarterback who 1. looked pre-snap to his throwing side 2. locked in on his intended receiver throughout the route and threw to said receiver despite coverage package 3. never identified the zone under coverage developing after the snap 4. threw the ball with little to no velocity 5. had no accuracy in tight vertical space 6. threw into double and triple coverage 7. never made decisive decisions within the pocket that resulted in sacks 8. looked like he simply didn't want to be out there. He showed no interest in getting Trine to the line in the 3rd and 4th quarter, and could not have done a better job of mis-managing the clock, averaging snaps well under the 20 second mark on the play clock. They were snapping the ball like they had the lead...

AND yet Coach Land, apparently blind to it all, just let it ride, and was more interested in yelling at the officials then  addressing the fact his team was getting the screws put to them by an aggressive Adrian defense, and an impressive front four. What was just as ridiculous to watch was after Trine had lost about 25 yards on two sacks (including a 4th down sack) late in the 4th quarter with the game out of reach, Coach Land starts calling timeouts under 2 minutes, apparently not wanting Ryan's night to end on the multitude of negatives that were eye blisteringly apparent. So what happens? Trine gets the ball back after using it's timeouts and the game ends with Ryan throwing his 4th interception on a sadly under thrown ball into double coverage. Well played....

It has been more then clear all year Hargraves has severally lacked the arm strength and mobility to take Trine to the level they want to go (competing for National Championships and I'm sorry, but throwing for a billion yards against one bottom feeder for two quarters in the Heartland conference hardly qualifies one as "solid"), but again, a weak non-conference schedule completely "hid" this inept offense, though if you paid attention, it'd be hard to not realize that Trine's offense has played only about 3 good quarters of football out of a total of 12.

How ANY coach didn't see this is mind boggling to me. The "offensive issues" both on the ground and in the air, that were all to apparent against Adrian have been there all year, and Trine finally played a team that their defense couldn't bail out. (Albeit their secondary leaves much to be desired.)

For goodness sakes Coach, you have a kid Raush you highly recruited out of Wisconsin and a former D1 QB in Blackport sitting on your bench, how about giving one of those guys a chance? I HIGHLY doubt they'll do worse then what I saw today. Until I SEE Blackport do worse Uncle Rico, I couldn't disagree with your comments more.

Sorry Coach, I don't for a second by the argument that either of your backup QB's are not ready to run an offense as simple as you showed today. If that's the case, it a reflection on the coaches teaching the offense, not the guys in the offense.

But I'm sure you'll play a few weak teams, get yourself "right" while sticking to your guns with Hargraves, and mentally overate yourself (again) and then get beat by Albion or Kalamazoo to end the year, and that will be that. You'll call your overall record a success because of the youth on the team and the rebuilding process, but for at least for today it has a lot to do with the way this team is being coached.

Congrats to Adrian, you used a combination of zone and man defense to completely shut down Coach Land's 3 call playbook, and on offense, you took advantage of a Trine secondary that has shown itself deficient against the air to the deep seams and deep quarters all year long.

You guys deserved the win, my hats off. Hopefully we start to play the best players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 01, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
It sure didn't seem like 5000+ at the Trine game today.  From what I have read, Adrian had 4300 at their homecoming last week, and it seemed like a lot more people there.  Standing room only, a few people deep.  How many does the new home side seat? It didn't seem very large, but then, I am comparing it to Adrian's home side.  And I do know that our visitor side is much smaller.  But you are right, if your qback was getting sacked and throwing interceptions, play someone else.  Anyone can do that.  But the dogs did come to win, they knew they could do it.  But I honestly thought  it was going to be a closer game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2011, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
Upon the thought of a possible long term move out west, I felt I needed to see at least one last Trine game, and home coming seemed to be it. So I donated my MSU vs OSU tickets to a friend and headed to Angola.

SO - here it is.

If we give credit to Coach Land when things go well, then it's fair he shares in the blame for the absolute failure of a football performance I saw today.

Ryan Hargraves was an absolute abomination to the quarterback position, and Coach Land, Coach Simmerel, and Coach Pifer ALL deserve the blame as well.

HOW do you let a kid throw 4 interceptions (he would have thrown five but two Adrian guys literal pulled the ball away from each other with no Trine receiver around them), fumble twice (one of which was recovered by WR Nash-Kniffen), complete less then half his passes, and NEVER consider pulling him.

Ryan looked like a JV level quarterback who 1. looked pre-snap to his throwing side 2. locked in on his intended receiver throughout the route and threw to said receiver despite coverage package 3. never identified the zone under coverage developing after the snap 4. threw the ball with little to no velocity 5. had no accuracy in tight vertical space 6. threw into double and triple coverage 7. never made decisive decisions within the pocket that resulted in sacks 8. looked like he simply didn't want to be out there. He showed no interest in getting Trine to the line in the 3rd and 4th quarter, and could not not have done a better job of mis-managing the clock, averaging snaps well under the 20 second mark on the play clock. They were snapping the ball like they had the lead...

AND yet Coach Land, apparently blind to it all, just let it ride, and was more interested in yelling at the officials then then addressing the fact his team was getting the screws put to them by an aggressive Adrian defense, and an impressive front four. What was just as ridiculous to watch was after Trine had lost about 25 yards on two sacks (including a 4th down sack) late in the 4th quarter with the game out of reach, Coach Land starts calling timeouts under 2 minutes, apparently not wanting Ryan's night to end on the multitude of negatives that were eye blisteringly apparent. So what happens? Trine gets the ball back after using it's timeouts and the game ends with Ryan throwing his 4th interception on a sadly under thrown ball into double coverage. Well played....

It has been more then clear all year Hargraves has severally lacked the arm strength and mobility to take Trine to the level they want to go (competing for National Championships and I'm sorry, but throwing for a billion yards against one bottom feeder for two quarters in the Heartland conference hardly qualifies one as "solid"), but again, a weak non-conference schedule completely "hid" this inept offense, though if you paid attention, it'd be hard to not realize that Trine's offense has played only about 3 good quarters of football out of a total of 12.

How ANY coach didn't see this is mind boggling to me. The "offensive issues" both on the ground and in the air, that were all to apparent against Adrian have been there all year, and Trine finally played a team that their defense couldn't bail out. (Albeit their secondary leaves much to be desired.)

For goodness sakes Coach, you have a kid Raush you highly recruited out of Wisconsin and a former D1 QB in Blackport sitting on your bench, how about giving one of those guys a chance? I HIGHLY doubt they'll do worse then what I saw today. Until I SEE Blackport do worse Uncle Rico, I couldn't disagree with your comments more.

Sorry Coach, I don't for a second by the argument that either of your backup QB's are not ready to run an offense as simple as you showed today. If that's the case, it a reflection on the coaches teaching the offense, not the guys in the offense.

But I'm sure you'll play a few weak teams, get yourself "right" while sticking to your guns with Hargraves, and mentally overate yourself (again) and then get beat by Albion or Kalamazoo to end the year, and that will be that. You'll call your overall record a success because of the youth on the team and the rebuilding process, but for at least for today it has a lot to do with the way this team is being coached.

Congrats to Adrian, you used a combination of zone and man defense to completely shut down Coach Land's 3 call playbook, and on offense, you took advantage of a Trine secondary that has shown itself deficient against the air to the deep seams and deep quarters all year long.

You guys deserved the win, my hats off. Hopefully we start to play the best players.

I still contend the bigger issue is the o-line and lack of a run game.  Should have taken the msu vs OSU tickets.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 10:02:01 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2011, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
Upon the thought of a possible long term move out west, I felt I needed to see at least one last Trine game, and home coming seemed to be it. So I donated my MSU vs OSU tickets to a friend and headed to Angola.

SO - here it is.

If we give credit to Coach Land when things go well, then it's fair he shares in the blame for the absolute failure of a football performance I saw today.

Ryan Hargraves was an absolute abomination to the quarterback position, and Coach Land, Coach Simmerel, and Coach Pifer ALL deserve the blame as well.

HOW do you let a kid throw 4 interceptions (he would have thrown five but two Adrian guys literal pulled the ball away from each other with no Trine receiver around them), fumble twice (one of which was recovered by WR Nash-Kniffen), complete less then half his passes, and NEVER consider pulling him.

Ryan looked like a JV level quarterback who 1. looked pre-snap to his throwing side 2. locked in on his intended receiver throughout the route and threw to said receiver despite coverage package 3. never identified the zone under coverage developing after the snap 4. threw the ball with little to no velocity 5. had no accuracy in tight vertical space 6. threw into double and triple coverage 7. never made decisive decisions within the pocket that resulted in sacks 8. looked like he simply didn't want to be out there. He showed no interest in getting Trine to the line in the 3rd and 4th quarter, and could not not have done a better job of mis-managing the clock, averaging snaps well under the 20 second mark on the play clock. They were snapping the ball like they had the lead...

AND yet Coach Land, apparently blind to it all, just let it ride, and was more interested in yelling at the officials then then addressing the fact his team was getting the screws put to them by an aggressive Adrian defense, and an impressive front four. What was just as ridiculous to watch was after Trine had lost about 25 yards on two sacks (including a 4th down sack) late in the 4th quarter with the game out of reach, Coach Land starts calling timeouts under 2 minutes, apparently not wanting Ryan's night to end on the multitude of negatives that were eye blisteringly apparent. So what happens? Trine gets the ball back after using it's timeouts and the game ends with Ryan throwing his 4th interception on a sadly under thrown ball into double coverage. Well played....

It has been more then clear all year Hargraves has severally lacked the arm strength and mobility to take Trine to the level they want to go (competing for National Championships and I'm sorry, but throwing for a billion yards against one bottom feeder for two quarters in the Heartland conference hardly qualifies one as "solid"), but again, a weak non-conference schedule completely "hid" this inept offense, though if you paid attention, it'd be hard to not realize that Trine's offense has played only about 3 good quarters of football out of a total of 12.

How ANY coach didn't see this is mind boggling to me. The "offensive issues" both on the ground and in the air, that were all to apparent against Adrian have been there all year, and Trine finally played a team that their defense couldn't bail out. (Albeit their secondary leaves much to be desired.)

For goodness sakes Coach, you have a kid Raush you highly recruited out of Wisconsin and a former D1 QB in Blackport sitting on your bench, how about giving one of those guys a chance? I HIGHLY doubt they'll do worse then what I saw today. Until I SEE Blackport do worse Uncle Rico, I couldn't disagree with your comments more.

Sorry Coach, I don't for a second by the argument that either of your backup QB's are not ready to run an offense as simple as you showed today. If that's the case, it a reflection on the coaches teaching the offense, not the guys in the offense.

But I'm sure you'll play a few weak teams, get yourself "right" while sticking to your guns with Hargraves, and mentally overate yourself (again) and then get beat by Albion or Kalamazoo to end the year, and that will be that. You'll call your overall record a success because of the youth on the team and the rebuilding process, but for at least for today it has a lot to do with the way this team is being coached.

Congrats to Adrian, you used a combination of zone and man defense to completely shut down Coach Land's 3 call playbook, and on offense, you took advantage of a Trine secondary that has shown itself deficient against the air to the deep seams and deep quarters all year long.

You guys deserved the win, my hats off. Hopefully we start to play the best players.

I still contend the bigger issue is the o-line and lack of a run game.  Should have taken the msu vs OSU tickets.   :)

On the tickets your might be right ;) , however the O-Line or lack of running game didn't force Hargraves into throwing the ridiculous interceptions he did, and they were ridiculous. It also doesn't negate Coach Land's poor decision not to pull him in favor of guys who couldn't have done any worse.  And I have no problem agreeing with TUA, I want to see Blackport.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2011, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 10:02:01 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2011, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
Upon the thought of a possible long term move out west, I felt I needed to see at least one last Trine game, and home coming seemed to be it. So I donated my MSU vs OSU tickets to a friend and headed to Angola.

SO - here it is.

If we give credit to Coach Land when things go well, then it's fair he shares in the blame for the absolute failure of a football performance I saw today.

Ryan Hargraves was an absolute abomination to the quarterback position, and Coach Land, Coach Simmerel, and Coach Pifer ALL deserve the blame as well.

HOW do you let a kid throw 4 interceptions (he would have thrown five but two Adrian guys literal pulled the ball away from each other with no Trine receiver around them), fumble twice (one of which was recovered by WR Nash-Kniffen), complete less then half his passes, and NEVER consider pulling him.

Ryan looked like a JV level quarterback who 1. looked pre-snap to his throwing side 2. locked in on his intended receiver throughout the route and threw to said receiver despite coverage package 3. never identified the zone under coverage developing after the snap 4. threw the ball with little to no velocity 5. had no accuracy in tight vertical space 6. threw into double and triple coverage 7. never made decisive decisions within the pocket that resulted in sacks 8. looked like he simply didn't want to be out there. He showed no interest in getting Trine to the line in the 3rd and 4th quarter, and could not not have done a better job of mis-managing the clock, averaging snaps well under the 20 second mark on the play clock. They were snapping the ball like they had the lead...

AND yet Coach Land, apparently blind to it all, just let it ride, and was more interested in yelling at the officials then then addressing the fact his team was getting the screws put to them by an aggressive Adrian defense, and an impressive front four. What was just as ridiculous to watch was after Trine had lost about 25 yards on two sacks (including a 4th down sack) late in the 4th quarter with the game out of reach, Coach Land starts calling timeouts under 2 minutes, apparently not wanting Ryan's night to end on the multitude of negatives that were eye blisteringly apparent. So what happens? Trine gets the ball back after using it's timeouts and the game ends with Ryan throwing his 4th interception on a sadly under thrown ball into double coverage. Well played....

It has been more then clear all year Hargraves has severally lacked the arm strength and mobility to take Trine to the level they want to go (competing for National Championships and I'm sorry, but throwing for a billion yards against one bottom feeder for two quarters in the Heartland conference hardly qualifies one as "solid"), but again, a weak non-conference schedule completely "hid" this inept offense, though if you paid attention, it'd be hard to not realize that Trine's offense has played only about 3 good quarters of football out of a total of 12.

How ANY coach didn't see this is mind boggling to me. The "offensive issues" both on the ground and in the air, that were all to apparent against Adrian have been there all year, and Trine finally played a team that their defense couldn't bail out. (Albeit their secondary leaves much to be desired.)

For goodness sakes Coach, you have a kid Raush you highly recruited out of Wisconsin and a former D1 QB in Blackport sitting on your bench, how about giving one of those guys a chance? I HIGHLY doubt they'll do worse then what I saw today. Until I SEE Blackport do worse Uncle Rico, I couldn't disagree with your comments more.

Sorry Coach, I don't for a second by the argument that either of your backup QB's are not ready to run an offense as simple as you showed today. If that's the case, it a reflection on the coaches teaching the offense, not the guys in the offense.

But I'm sure you'll play a few weak teams, get yourself "right" while sticking to your guns with Hargraves, and mentally overate yourself (again) and then get beat by Albion or Kalamazoo to end the year, and that will be that. You'll call your overall record a success because of the youth on the team and the rebuilding process, but for at least for today it has a lot to do with the way this team is being coached.

Congrats to Adrian, you used a combination of zone and man defense to completely shut down Coach Land's 3 call playbook, and on offense, you took advantage of a Trine secondary that has shown itself deficient against the air to the deep seams and deep quarters all year long.

You guys deserved the win, my hats off. Hopefully we start to play the best players.

I still contend the bigger issue is the o-line and lack of a run game.  Should have taken the msu vs OSU tickets.   :)

On the tickets your might be right ;) , however the O-Line or lack of running game didn't force Hargraves into throwing the ridiculous interceptions he did, and they were ridiculous. It also doesn't negate Coach Land's poor decision not to pull him in favor of guys who couldn't have done any worse.  And I have no problem agreeing with TUA, I want to see Blackport.

At least you are consistant...you have wanted Blackport since before the season started.  :)  I believe games are won and lost in the trenches, and Trine is not winning it there.  Failure at that level snowballs into everything else.  A qb constantly worried about the pressure is going to make mental mistakes.  And Trine cannot fall back to the run to help stabilize and control the flow of the game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 01, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Former: I DID talk to you LOL I know that, I had said to hopewatcher that formerd3db and I missed you (as in hopewatcher) bc we didn't see him, tho I did talk to you. Sorry about the confusion there.

And also it was very nice to meet you, too bar the game couldn'tve been a little better.... 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2011, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 10:02:01 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2011, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
Upon the thought of a possible long term move out west, I felt I needed to see at least one last Trine game, and home coming seemed to be it. So I donated my MSU vs OSU tickets to a friend and headed to Angola.

SO - here it is.

If we give credit to Coach Land when things go well, then it's fair he shares in the blame for the absolute failure of a football performance I saw today.

Ryan Hargraves was an absolute abomination to the quarterback position, and Coach Land, Coach Simmerel, and Coach Pifer ALL deserve the blame as well.

HOW do you let a kid throw 4 interceptions (he would have thrown five but two Adrian guys literal pulled the ball away from each other with no Trine receiver around them), fumble twice (one of which was recovered by WR Nash-Kniffen), complete less then half his passes, and NEVER consider pulling him.

Ryan looked like a JV level quarterback who 1. looked pre-snap to his throwing side 2. locked in on his intended receiver throughout the route and threw to said receiver despite coverage package 3. never identified the zone under coverage developing after the snap 4. threw the ball with little to no velocity 5. had no accuracy in tight vertical space 6. threw into double and triple coverage 7. never made decisive decisions within the pocket that resulted in sacks 8. looked like he simply didn't want to be out there. He showed no interest in getting Trine to the line in the 3rd and 4th quarter, and could not not have done a better job of mis-managing the clock, averaging snaps well under the 20 second mark on the play clock. They were snapping the ball like they had the lead...

AND yet Coach Land, apparently blind to it all, just let it ride, and was more interested in yelling at the officials then then addressing the fact his team was getting the screws put to them by an aggressive Adrian defense, and an impressive front four. What was just as ridiculous to watch was after Trine had lost about 25 yards on two sacks (including a 4th down sack) late in the 4th quarter with the game out of reach, Coach Land starts calling timeouts under 2 minutes, apparently not wanting Ryan's night to end on the multitude of negatives that were eye blisteringly apparent. So what happens? Trine gets the ball back after using it's timeouts and the game ends with Ryan throwing his 4th interception on a sadly under thrown ball into double coverage. Well played....

It has been more then clear all year Hargraves has severally lacked the arm strength and mobility to take Trine to the level they want to go (competing for National Championships and I'm sorry, but throwing for a billion yards against one bottom feeder for two quarters in the Heartland conference hardly qualifies one as "solid"), but again, a weak non-conference schedule completely "hid" this inept offense, though if you paid attention, it'd be hard to not realize that Trine's offense has played only about 3 good quarters of football out of a total of 12.

How ANY coach didn't see this is mind boggling to me. The "offensive issues" both on the ground and in the air, that were all to apparent against Adrian have been there all year, and Trine finally played a team that their defense couldn't bail out. (Albeit their secondary leaves much to be desired.)

For goodness sakes Coach, you have a kid Raush you highly recruited out of Wisconsin and a former D1 QB in Blackport sitting on your bench, how about giving one of those guys a chance? I HIGHLY doubt they'll do worse then what I saw today. Until I SEE Blackport do worse Uncle Rico, I couldn't disagree with your comments more.

Sorry Coach, I don't for a second by the argument that either of your backup QB's are not ready to run an offense as simple as you showed today. If that's the case, it a reflection on the coaches teaching the offense, not the guys in the offense.

But I'm sure you'll play a few weak teams, get yourself "right" while sticking to your guns with Hargraves, and mentally overate yourself (again) and then get beat by Albion or Kalamazoo to end the year, and that will be that. You'll call your overall record a success because of the youth on the team and the rebuilding process, but for at least for today it has a lot to do with the way this team is being coached.

Congrats to Adrian, you used a combination of zone and man defense to completely shut down Coach Land's 3 call playbook, and on offense, you took advantage of a Trine secondary that has shown itself deficient against the air to the deep seams and deep quarters all year long.

You guys deserved the win, my hats off. Hopefully we start to play the best players.

I still contend the bigger issue is the o-line and lack of a run game.  Should have taken the msu vs OSU tickets.   :)

On the tickets your might be right ;) , however the O-Line or lack of running game didn't force Hargraves into throwing the ridiculous interceptions he did, and they were ridiculous. It also doesn't negate Coach Land's poor decision not to pull him in favor of guys who couldn't have done any worse.  And I have no problem agreeing with TUA, I want to see Blackport.

At least you are consistant...you have wanted Blackport since before the season started.  :)  I believe games are won and lost in the trenches, and Trine is not winning it there.  Failure at that level snowballs into everything else.  A qb constantly worried about the pressure in going to make mental mistakes.  And Trine cannot fall back to the run to help stabilize and control the flow of the game. 

You're right, and you're right.  :) I have wanted Blackport since day one, and I still want to see him, as do several others. Especially when the starter throws 4 picks.

I also agree with you about protection, but when a defense doesn't respect a kid's arm they bring 7 to the box while fronting coverage and defending the air using shallow, man and under concepts, thus all the picks. If you have a guy who can extend the play, with an arm that can stretch the field both horizontally and vertically, they can't commit more then 6 to the box, and that can set up the run, and obviously aid yourself in protection.

This pressure is partly brought on by Ryan's own deficiency. It's been happening throughout the year and I'd go so far as to say it's now a common theme. Expect to see more of it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2011, 12:05:22 AM
sflzman:
Oops, my bad!  What an idiot I am! ;D It must have been the residual effects of that "stuff" that Mr. Ypsi said I was drinking last night when I was posting!  While initially reading your post, I was thinking to myself (second guessing myself? ::)) in that I couldn't have been that mistaken in my own mind that that wasn't you I was talking with!! ;D  :o ::).  Bottom line is...I mis-read your post - I see that now i.e. see the comma placement in your sentence. Anyway, without question, it was nice to meet you as well and I enjoyed our discussion.  BTW, do you have any additional ideas/insight with regards to my thoughts about today's attendance?  I still believe there were more than 2,000 at today's game, at least from my past experience of being at games at Bahlke Stadium. Just curious.  ??? :)

Also, on the topic of attendance, I also noted ForeverFootball's comment about the attendance at the Trine/Adrian game today.  Adrian's stadium capacity is listed at 3,000, so a listing of 4,300 if there was standing room only would not be unrealistic.  (In comparison, Alma's Bahlke Stadium has a capacity of 4,500, not the 4,700 figure listed on d3.com's summary page for them, unless you guys added additional seating with the turf and scoreboard renovations this summer, of which I don't think that happened, nor did the seating capacity or stadium itself look any different to me than it has been for many years).  As far as Trine, they had attendance last year consistently over the 4,000 mark and their stadium capacity is listed at 5,000. So if those stands were full and they had people standing around also, as well as the fact that it was a game the calibur of an MIAA championship game today there among the two previously undefeated teams, the 5,600 figure doesn't sound unrealistic to me. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 02, 2011, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 02, 2011, 12:05:22 AM
As far as Trine, they had attendance last year consistently over the 4,000 mark and their stadium capacity is listed at 5,000. So if those stands were full and they had people standing around also, as well as the fact that it was a game the calibur of an MIAA championship game today there among the two previously undefeated teams, the 5,600 figure doesn't sound unrealistic to me.
It was the largest crowd I've seen in the 2 years of the new Zollner Stadium.  Last year we had a couple home games over 5K, but yesterday there were a lot more people standing around the field.  Adrian had a big contingent of fans, definitely the largest crowd at Trine for a visiting school yet.  The home side was packed in, plus with the suites on top of the stadium and Thunder Club deck you have more fans than you can't visibly see, but not sure how many that is.

Will be curious to see what the attendence will be at our next home game against Hope on the 22nd, especially if we lose to LaGrange and Alma.  Band wagon fans will probably start to jump off.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 10:52:26 AM
TUA,

I don't know much about LaGrange, but even though we're not real good in our current state, and I don't mean in anyway for this to come off as arrogant, we're probably still good enough talent wise to beat a few MIAA schools. Though maybe Adrian showed some serious area of weakness with Trine's armor, I'm just not sure some of the other schools have the ability to capitalize.  Alma isn't playing well, and though Albion and Kalmazoo look like they're doing well and are capable of beating us, it's not like the MIAA is the MIAC or WIAC.


I wish it was, then maybe we would get some legitimate change.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 02, 2011, 11:34:05 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 02, 2011, 12:05:22 AM
sflzman:
Oops, my bad!  What an idiot I am! ;D It must have been the residual effects of that "stuff" that Mr. Ypsi said I was drinking last night when I was posting!  While initially reading your post, I was thinking to myself (second guessing myself? ::)) in that I couldn't have been that mistaken in my own mind that that wasn't you I was talking with!! ;D  :o ::).  Bottom line is...I mis-read your post - I see that now i.e. see the comma placement in your sentence. Anyway, without question, it was nice to meet you as well and I enjoyed our discussion.  BTW, do you have any additional ideas/insight with regards to my thoughts about today's attendance?  I still believe there were more than 2,000 at today's game, at least from my past experience of being at games at Bahlke Stadium. Just curious.  ??? :)

Also, on the topic of attendance, I also noted ForeverFootball's comment about the attendance at the Trine/Adrian game today.  Adrian's stadium capacity is listed at 3,000, so a listing of 4,300 if there was standing room only would not be unrealistic.  (In comparison, Alma's Bahlke Stadium has a capacity of 4,500, not the 4,700 figure listed on d3.com's summary page for them, unless you guys added additional seating with the turf and scoreboard renovations this summer, of which I don't think that happened, nor did the seating capacity or stadium itself look any different to me than it has been for many years).  As far as Trine, they had attendance last year consistently over the 4,000 mark and their stadium capacity is listed at 5,000. So if those stands were full and they had people standing around also, as well as the fact that it was a game the calibur of an MIAA championship game today there among the two previously undefeated teams, the 5,600 figure doesn't sound unrealistic to me.

To add on to your attendance, I as well thought there was more than the 1231 (?) that was listed. I was talking to the sports information director, and his thoughts were that there were around 1800 for attendance, but the official count come inneficiently by the baseball coach Judd Folske, who uses a pitch counter. I'm sure he misses people counting that way, but what can you do?  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 02, 2011, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 01, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
Upon the thought of a possible long term move out west, I felt I needed to see at least one last Trine game, and home coming seemed to be it. So I donated my MSU vs OSU tickets to a friend and headed to Angola.

SO - here it is.

If we give credit to Coach Land when things go well, then it's fair he shares in the blame for the absolute failure of a football performance I saw today.

Ryan Hargraves was an absolute abomination to the quarterback position, and Coach Land, Coach Simmerel, and Coach Pifer ALL deserve the blame as well.

HOW do you let a kid throw 4 interceptions (he would have thrown five but two Adrian guys literal pulled the ball away from each other with no Trine receiver around them), fumble twice (one of which was recovered by WR Nash-Kniffen), complete less then half his passes, and NEVER consider pulling him.

Ryan looked like a JV level quarterback who 1. looked pre-snap to his throwing side 2. locked in on his intended receiver throughout the route and threw to said receiver despite coverage package 3. never identified the zone under coverage developing after the snap 4. threw the ball with little to no velocity 5. had no accuracy in tight vertical space 6. threw into double and triple coverage 7. never made decisive decisions within the pocket that resulted in sacks 8. looked like he simply didn't want to be out there. He showed no interest in getting Trine to the line in the 3rd and 4th quarter, and could not have done a better job of mis-managing the clock, averaging snaps well under the 20 second mark on the play clock. They were snapping the ball like they had the lead...

AND yet Coach Land, apparently blind to it all, just let it ride, and was more interested in yelling at the officials then  addressing the fact his team was getting the screws put to them by an aggressive Adrian defense, and an impressive front four. What was just as ridiculous to watch was after Trine had lost about 25 yards on two sacks (including a 4th down sack) late in the 4th quarter with the game out of reach, Coach Land starts calling timeouts under 2 minutes, apparently not wanting Ryan's night to end on the multitude of negatives that were eye blisteringly apparent. So what happens? Trine gets the ball back after using it's timeouts and the game ends with Ryan throwing his 4th interception on a sadly under thrown ball into double coverage. Well played....

It has been more then clear all year Hargraves has severally lacked the arm strength and mobility to take Trine to the level they want to go (competing for National Championships and I'm sorry, but throwing for a billion yards against one bottom feeder for two quarters in the Heartland conference hardly qualifies one as "solid"), but again, a weak non-conference schedule completely "hid" this inept offense, though if you paid attention, it'd be hard to not realize that Trine's offense has played only about 3 good quarters of football out of a total of 12.

How ANY coach didn't see this is mind boggling to me. The "offensive issues" both on the ground and in the air, that were all to apparent against Adrian have been there all year, and Trine finally played a team that their defense couldn't bail out. (Albeit their secondary leaves much to be desired.)

For goodness sakes Coach, you have a kid Raush you highly recruited out of Wisconsin and a former D1 QB in Blackport sitting on your bench, how about giving one of those guys a chance? I HIGHLY doubt they'll do worse then what I saw today. Until I SEE Blackport do worse Uncle Rico, I couldn't disagree with your comments more.

Sorry Coach, I don't for a second by the argument that either of your backup QB's are not ready to run an offense as simple as you showed today. If that's the case, it a reflection on the coaches teaching the offense, not the guys in the offense.

But I'm sure you'll play a few weak teams, get yourself "right" while sticking to your guns with Hargraves, and mentally overate yourself (again) and then get beat by Albion or Kalamazoo to end the year, and that will be that. You'll call your overall record a success because of the youth on the team and the rebuilding process, but for at least for today it has a lot to do with the way this team is being coached.

Congrats to Adrian, you used a combination of zone and man defense to completely shut down Coach Land's 3 call playbook, and on offense, you took advantage of a Trine secondary that has shown itself deficient against the air to the deep seams and deep quarters all year long.

You guys deserved the win, my hats off. Hopefully we start to play the best players.

Yep, you hit the nail on the head, this group of coaches that you call out from behind your screen name have been at every practice, meeting, and team function since camp opened and simply chose to ignore the fact that the better QB is on the sidelines. After dong the impossible and turning a doormat football program around in a matter of a few short years and winning three straight conference championships they just decided to say "screw it" it's time to lose one. How many hours of practice have you been at this year? How much film have you studied with the three QB's? I'm not saying the other two QB's aren't good - they very well could be great (I hope they will be), but I'm guessing, and this is just a hunch because I am clueless when it comes to all of this football stuff, that the starter is based on what happens during practice, film, and meetings. Did Trine play great? No. Are there things to work on? Yes. Was Adrian better yesterday? Yes. 

Everybody has been posting on this sight that the MIAA needs another team to step up and compete so that the conference can start getting a little more respect and maybe two teams in the playoffs, maybe Adrian is that team. Adrian played a great game - congrats to them.

I also agree with Rico - the offensive line is young and was missing Kill, Hargraves was running for his life the whole game and took a beating. I give him credit for getting up time and time again and going back to the huddle. IF there is a change in QB's I will root for that QB just like I do Hargraves and I will guess, because I just don't know that much about all this football stuff, that the coaches made the decision based on what is best for the team and who gives them the best shot at winning

The offensive line will get better, Kill will get healthy, and the coaches will make the adjustments needed.

One loss doesn't end a program, one loss doesn't ruin a QB, one loss is simply - one loss.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on October 02, 2011, 12:07:23 PM
Good Morning....First of all, my apologies to sflzman and formerd3db on missing you yesterday...we had an unexpected guest at halftime so was plesantly, but unfortunately detained until it was too late....sorry about that and hopefully another opportunity will arise.....
As for the game....it was a very important win for Hope, for many reasons. The most inportant thing, for, me was that the seemed to come out more ready to play, played with emotion, 'got after people', and tried to set the tone (particularly the defense) to start things off. Agreed that there were too many misktakes on offense and special teams (those need to get fixed), and the change in QB was a little rough at first, but got better (turned into a good experience builder)...Hope played through/over them yesterday (and got a couple of breaks), but cannot count on that....but showed mental toughness when they had too (other times they may have folded)  and the defense avoided those big play mistakes....I also agree that there were  a number of unusual situations with the officiating, but they went both ways...I don't know if they were correct or not and I tend to try not to dwell on the officiating too much as there is lots I can't see, or hear from the spectator area so don't have all of the facts...its a variable that both teams have to deal with...and, as I tell my son, sometimes you're not going to get the call  you want, so don't put yourself in a position where that call will affect the outcome of the game........
Hope ran the ball well (The line played pretty well) and passed as well as they need to...Alma is a good team....Had they scored in the first half a couple of times when they had good opportunities, things would have been much more stressful for us Dutch folks.....I wish them well in the future and think they will give teams trouble as the league season progresses...anybody who looks past them will be in for a problem......but yesterday was Hope's day and hopefully they can build on that and take it into the next big game with Kalamazoo....Go Hope!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2011, 04:49:23 PM
Hopewatcher:

No apologies necessary.  Things happen and halftime is short.  Yet, it was important that you spend time with your friend(s) at their surprise appearance.  We have additional opportunities to visit, at least you and I do for this season.  Also, agree with your assessment of Hope's performance and the game.  Without question, that was a much needed win for Hope for many reasons.  Aside from the "W", one of the most important aspects of it, IMO, was the confidence booster it will hopefully give our players in that, just as you pointed out, they did not cave-in or give up yesterday and "played over" many aspects, unlike what they've done in the past 2-3 years i.e. attitude wise.  They did that i.e. gave up and had no enthusiasm in the second half at the Millikin game this year, although those aspects not quite as bad as last year for many of our games.  Perhaps the difference right now is that they already had two wins under their belt (as opposed to the past 5 years when they we went 0-4) despite one of those being against a not-so-good Lakeland team last weekend.

The obvious test will come next week, first against Kalamazoo, which is an entirely different team this year than the past couple.  As Coach Kreps told our players in the post-game huddle at Alma yesterday, they had better not be looking past Kazoo to Albion, nor be thinking that Kazoo will be a push-over because the latter team will not.  If we are not careful, a loss to Kazoo would be a big blow to a this potentially improved season.  Then, of course, Albion and Trine will be very tough, not to metion Adrian but...I'm getting ahead and as that age-old saying goes, "take only one game at a time". 

I hope the weather stays nice for the next 2-3 weeks as I hate rainy Octobers.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2011, 04:55:29 PM
sflzman:

Nothing against Coach Folske as he is a good man.  However, a pitch counter doesn't quite do it for me and one really needs more than one person doing the attendance count at games (a more organized system of doing it as some colleges do).  I've been to many Alma games for many years in the past at Bahlke Stadium and while I do not put myself out as an expert on attendance estimating (because, admittedly, I have been somewhat off at times), again, I agree with you and I know there were way more than the 1280 people listed as the "official" attendance.  As I mentioned, Balhke sits 4,500 and the home stands were at least 1/2 full, actually, IMO, about 3/4 full by halftime and the early 3rd quarter before some Alma students started "drifting" away as Hope's lead had balooned to 31-0 at that point in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on October 02, 2011, 05:01:06 PM
Hi There MIAA
I was not going to post until the end of the season but I think i will post now. All 5 of us QB's gave up the Wis vs Neb game to drive down to Trine Sat. Alverez had great box seats for us:((( We won't be doing that again! I'm not going to pound on Hargraves because I think Thunderhead did that just fine. I also know that many of you will not like to hear what we thought of the game. You think we are bias and you want your home boys to be the stars. However this is our opinion.
7 picks, three luckily dropped, two fumbles, recievers open all over the field and we sit and watch Rauch on the side lines. WHAT????????? Rauch is one of Wisconsins top QB,s. This kid is cool as a stone. POISED. Huge arm. Two losses during his high school career. Two undefeated regular seasons as a varsity QB, Two conference champs as a varsity QB. Played in Wi toughest conf!!
Black Belt, Eagle Scout, One of States top ranked Snow Skiers and I could go on and on and on.
He would have blown that team out. Rauch does not loose!
We tryed to talk to him after the game but he had many Wisconsin fans and family around him and we did not want to be rude. (not that he would have told us anything anyways) I have to say that he looked a little upset with the loss but still came off cool and collected. We have no idea what in the world that coaching staff is doing. We are all QB's not coaches. (3 in the NFL) It seems like they are trying to break this kid down and trust me that will not happen. The tougher the team, the colder, the muddier, snow, wind, the better he plays.
We all hope that both Trine and Rauch get it together and get him winning games. And we hope that the offensive coaches really start working with him. The offensive coaching looked real bad!
We were shocked at what we saw. We know you are rebuilding but you have a solid D1 QB on your bench. One other point, Blackport would have done no better than Hargraves did, probably worse. The kid has not played in 3 years. We watched him very close during warm-ups and he looks untrained and all over the place.(mechanics)
I do not post this for debate, it is merely our opinion, what ever thats worth.
If Rauch reads this which I'm sure he won't, we are all behind you. Keep up your hard work. Work every day to get better. Your poise in the pocket is what makes NFL QB,s. You and only you control your destiny!!!!!!!! Wisconsin is proud of Rauch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 05:50:31 PM
I'm not at practice, nor at film study.

To the point though, the reality is - when a kid has thrown 3 picks (I don't include the 4th because it was the second to last play of the game, and although a poor decision, it wasn't possible for Trine to change QB's at that point), and hasn't moved the offense in the first three quarters, I think  it's fair to think a change might be worth doing. It's also fair to say that if Coach Land can take credit for the recent success at Trine, or rather, the recent success at Trine can be attributed to what he has done (which I agree with), then it's equally fair that he share in the blame for the teams complete lack of execution coming off a bye week.

While you may think it's not fair for someone to have an opinion when they're not at practice, I'd encourage you to remember that this is college football. That's the name of the game, and it's something you better get use to. Both as a player and a coach it's something you expect at the college level.  Sometimes an opinion is way off base, sometimes they have merit, but most of the time the people with them have no direct knowledge to what the situation is they're speaking on beyond that of what they see.

I guess I don't mind being told I don't know what I'm talking about.  ;) My post was primarily to suggest it's fair to ask why Hargraves was not pulled based on his performance. As I've stated in prior posts, a bad offensive line doesn't always lead to unforced interceptions. From my view point, there were three picks he threw where he was not under any duress, he wasn't running for his life, he had set up and simply made bad decisions. It doesn't take "going to practice or watching film" to see those kind of things.

Typically if a QB is getting sacked and fumbling, or if he throws picks while he's in the process of delivering the football - then you attribute that to poor line play. However if his "internal clock" is just wound to tight (regardless of why), it at worst should cause him to throw the ball out of bounds to early or run instead of throw without real pressure. In regards to his interceptions in particular, this wasn't the case.

I also want to be clear that I don't attribute my comments to the fact it was Hargraves throwing the picks, if it was Rausch or Blackport, I would wonder the same thing. If ESPN was televising the game, they would wonder the same thing. If Trine was Ohio State, Monday on College Football Live, THEY would wonder the same thing. I don't think it would matter who the quarterback was, if they throw four picks, don't move the offense, and lose because of it, people are going to ask "why not let someone else get a chance?" And that's a fair question.

Maybe Raush or Blackport would have gone in and done no better, but at the very least, I think they do just as poorly. But maybe they don't, so why not allow them the opportunity? More then a few times I've been on a staff where we pulled the start after doing quite a bit less wrong then Hargraves did, as a way to try to motivate the offense. After the game, the question we hear is "Is so and so your new starter?" and the answer can be "no, but we needed to do something to try to breath some life into the offense. As of now our original starter is still our starter, but like always we'll evaluate the tape and decide what's best for the football team."

I don't think there is anything wrong with that approach, pulling a guy doesn't mean he's "done" as the starter. As for watching Blackport in warm-ups and saying he would have done "worse", I don't agree with that. I think you can only base your opinion on a kid by what he actually does in the game, and until I see either Rausch or Blackport in a COLLEGE game, I really can't speak to their level of play. Both of them were very successful high school quarterbacks at big schools who played in big conferences. But that's high school.

Obviously they BOTH must just be doing so poorly that Coach Land would have rather stuck with a kid who threw four picks then put either one of those guys in. Though this thought seems completely illogical, it's the only one that I can conclude. If that's the case, either they made a bad choice recruiting them, or they have done a bad job coaching them. Again, at some point, coaching plays a part, so I don't feel like I was out of line for posting the content I posted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2011, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on October 02, 2011, 05:01:06 PM
Rauch is one of Wisconsins top QB,s. This kid is cool as a stone. POISED. Huge arm. Two losses during his high school career. Two undefeated regular seasons as a varsity QB, Two conference champs as a varsity QB. Played in Wi toughest conf!!
Black Belt, Eagle Scout, One of States top ranked Snow Skiers and I could go on and on and on.
He would have blown that team out. Rauch does not loose!

Yes, but has he ever stayed at a Holiday Inn Express?   :D

Between you guys giving up Wisc / Nebraska tickets, and Thunderhead missing the msu game, I believe you both brought bad juju to the game.   :)   Then again, I could have been bow hunting and gave that up!  All three of us deserve to be smited, and banned from making the trip to LaGrange.

Will be interesting to see what changes will be made, and how the team responds.  I am still more in line with Adidas's opinion, and I think the line needs more work.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
UR.

To be fair, it was homecoming. I've missed the little group I tailgate with, Buckeye fans not so much. LOL I definitely did not have not have box seats from the HC either, if I did, I'd have been at the Shoe.

As for you agreeing with Adidias28, this isn't shocking.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2011, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
UR.

To be fair, it was homecoming. I've missed the little group I tailgate with, Buckeye fans not so much. LOL I definitely did not have not have box seats from the HC either, if I did, I'd have been at the Shoe.

As for you agreeing with Adidias28, this isn't shocking.  ;)

Great minds DO think alike, right Adidas?  :)

I have not heard good things about Buckeye fans at the shoe, although I cannot speak from personal experience.  Although not a spartan fan, I have to admit I was glad to see a state win.  I also appreciated Wisconsin's warm greeting to the Big10 for Nebraska. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 02, 2011, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 05:50:31 PM
I'm not at practice, nor at film study.

To the point though, the reality is - when a kid has thrown 3 picks (I don't include the 4th because it was the second to last play of the game, and although a poor decision, it wasn't possible for Trine to change QB's at that point), and hasn't moved the offense in the first three quarters, I think  it's fair to think a change might be worth doing. It's also fair to say that if Coach Land can take credit for the recent success at Trine, or rather, the recent success at Trine can be attributed to what he has done (which I agree with), then it's equally fair that he share in the blame for the teams complete lack of execution coming off a bye week.

While you may think it's not fair for someone to have an opinion when they're not at practice, I'd encourage you to remember that this is college football. That's the name of the game, and it's something you better get use to. Both as a player and a coach it's something you expect at the college level.  Sometimes an opinion is way off base, sometimes they have merit, but most of the time the people with them have no direct knowledge to what the situation is they're speaking on beyond that of what they see.

I guess I don't mind being told I don't know what I'm talking about.  ;) My post was primarily to suggest it's fair to ask why Hargraves was not pulled based on his performance. As I've stated in prior posts, a bad offensive line doesn't always lead to unforced interceptions. From my view point, there were three picks he threw where he was not under any duress, he wasn't running for his life, he had set up and simply made bad decisions. It doesn't take "going to practice or watching film" to see those kind of things.

Typically if a QB is getting sacked and fumbling, or if he throws picks while he's in the process of delivering the football - then you attribute that to poor line play. However if his "internal clock" is just wound to tight (regardless of why), it at worst should cause him to throw the ball out of bounds to early or run instead of throw without real pressure. In regards to his interceptions in particular, this wasn't the case.

I also want to be clear that I don't attribute my comments to the fact it was Hargraves throwing the picks, if it was Rausch or Blackport, I would wonder the same thing. If ESPN was televising the game, they would wonder the same thing. If Trine was Ohio State, Monday on College Football Live, THEY would wonder the same thing. I don't think it would matter who the quarterback was, if they throw four picks, don't move the offense, and lose because of it, people are going to ask "why not let someone else get a chance?" And that's a fair question.

Maybe Raush or Blackport would have gone in and done no better, but at the very least, I think they do just as poorly. But maybe they don't, so why not allow them the opportunity? More then a few times I've been on a staff where we pulled the start after doing quite a bit less wrong then Hargraves did, as a way to try to motivate the offense. After the game, the question we hear is "Is so and so your new starter?" and the answer can be "no, but we needed to do something to try to breath some life into the offense. As of now our original starter is still our starter, but like always we'll evaluate the tape and decide what's best for the football team."

I don't think there is anything wrong with that approach, pulling a guy doesn't mean he's "done" as the starter. As for watching Blackport in warm-ups and saying he would have done "worse", I don't agree with that. I think you can only base your opinion on a kid by what he actually does in the game, and until I see either Rausch or Blackport in a COLLEGE game, I really can't speak to their level of play. Both of them were very successful high school quarterbacks at big schools who played in big conferences. But that's high school.

Obviously they BOTH must just be doing so poorly that Coach Land would have rather stuck with a kid who threw four picks then put either one of those guys in. Though this thought seems completely illogical, it's the only one that I can conclude. If that's the case, either they made a bad choice recruiting them, or they have done a bad job coaching them. Again, at some point, coaching plays a part, so I don't feel like I was out of line for posting the content I posted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you are out of line - difference in opinion is what makes these boards so much fun. (I know I always seem to be the antagonist.)  >:(

I do have to point out that I have never heard Coach Land take all the credit for the quick turn around and success of the program, as a matter of fact quite the opposite. He heaps praise and kudos on his staff and players.

I wonder what would have happened to the Lions today if they had benched CJ and Stafford for that dreadful first half of offense and went to the back ups in the second half. Do Hill and and Titus Young pull off that comeback?

And, yes Rico great minds DO think alike!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 07:35:57 PM
Adidas,

I know you were not calling me disrespectful and I can appreciate your antagonistic view point. I tend to do that too.  ;)

Regarding to Coach Land, in my post I said "Coach Land can take credit for the recent success at Trine, or rather, the recent success at Trine can be attributed to what he has done (which I agree with), then it's equally fair that he share in the blame for the teams complete lack of execution coming off a bye week."

So I was saying that although Coach Land may not request the praise, it will come. It kind of goes the same with criticism, there is merit for praise, then in cases like this there should be merit for criticisim.

And although I see your point, comparing Stafford's abilities to Hargraves just isn't logical in my opinion. We know Hill's capabilities and we know Young's capabilities, in both cases Stafford  and CJ bring a higher ceiling to the table. I'm not sure that's the case at Trine, and like with anything, I won't be convinced of anything till I see Rausch and Blackports capabilities in an actual game. I think yesterday was a good chance to see that. Clearly it wasn't Ryan's day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 02, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
Exactly - It wasn't Ryan's day and it wasn't the Thunder's either - but if you believe in your guy, don't you give him the chance for that signature come back win at least once before going to the bench?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 02, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
Exactly - It wasn't Ryan's day and it wasn't the Thunder's either - but if you believe in your guy, don't you give him the chance for that signature come back win at least once before going to the bench?

No. I don't. Not based on his body of work. After the 3rd pick, I would have pulled the plug, I'd have seen enough. If it's not his day, it's not his day, maybe it's someone else's.

But then again, I don't use my timeouts at the end of the game to allow my offense one more chance to - well, turn the ball over, when there is no chance I can win the ball game as it's more then two possession game. I don't allow my quarterback to snap the ball under the 22 second mark on the play clock in the third and fourth quarter when I'm trailing by more then two scores and I need all the clock I can get with Adrian snapping the ball at the 5 second mark of the play clock, and I don't stay in off-man coverage to the wide side with a 1 high when Adrian has been beating me all day long to the extended boundary.

So I guess I would have done things quite a bit different then Trine did Saturday, but that's not to say my moves would have worked either. Each coach does what he's comfortable with and hopefully Coach Land will grow a bit as a coach in the loss, as well as the team. I can attest that I have learned from plenty of my own mistakes as coach by reviewing things after a loss. Coming off a bye week, I had hoped Trine would have been better prepared then they were. Like I said, hopefully it's a learning experience for everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 02, 2011, 08:39:09 PM
Or maybe, just maybe, new thought here.  Adrian could really be THAT good. And maybe I am biased here, but those picks were not gimmies.  Those "D" guys leaped to get those.  I guess the rest of the season ......we will see.  The announcers on the radio (we had headsets on) kept saying that it was obvious that Adrian traveled for blood and wanted the win more than Trine did. But I have to agree with you, for the reason of nothing else but to give another QB some play time.  Why not try someone else in the 4th?  I do not know a lot of Trine history but did the coaching staff only "turn the program around" when Watt was there? Maybe it was the player and not so much the coaching staff.  < Just throwing some thoughts out there from the other side :) >
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 08:55:22 PM
FF,

I don't mean to take anything away from Adrian, they baited Ryan with under coverage, did their research on our secondary, which has given up yards all year when teams attacked them vertically, and they had the talent to pull it off.

Adrian actually left a bunch of points on the field, but they prevented Trine from capitalizing. While I don't think they were incredibly tough picks to make, they made them and set up Ryan to throw them. It's exactly what you want to do against Trine.

It was a good game plan and it was well executed. Congrats, you guys are a good team and will make the MIAA better as a whole this year. My original point was just that I thought someone else, regardless of who, should get a chance. How bad does it have to get before the logical choice gets made?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 02, 2011, 09:05:49 PM
Very true Thunderhead.  We were surprised also, they didn't try someone else.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 02, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 02, 2011, 04:55:29 PM
sflzman:

Nothing against Coach Folske as he is a good man.  However, a pitch counter doesn't quite do it for me and one really needs more than one person doing the attendance count at games (a more organized system of doing it as some colleges do).  I've been to many Alma games for many years in the past at Bahlke Stadium and while I do not put myself out as an expert on attendance estimating (because, admittedly, I have been somewhat off at times), again, I agree with you and I know there were way more than the 1280 people listed as the "official" attendance.  As I mentioned, Balhke sits 4,500 and the home stands were at least 1/2 full, actually, IMO, about 3/4 full by halftime and the early 3rd quarter before some Alma students started "drifting" away as Hope's lead had balooned to 31-0 at that point in the 3rd quarter.

Trust me, we've been saying that for a long time. I guess little battles  ::)

And about the seeting, the stands seat 5,000, and the number d3football.com gets is the compacity we include with standing room, and the places where we could have portable bleachers, if needed, for like an NCAA playoff game, and whatnot.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2011, 09:20:36 PM
ForeverFootball...you make a very good point.  I hope it is that Adrian is that good.  We can only base our comments on what we are more familiar with, what we expect, and what we have seen.  Adrian certainly did come to play.

Perhaps the coaches, knowing more than we do about the team, believed it was not the qb's fault for everything that went wrong.  Perfect...no.  None of us are.  Totally to blame...not close.

Perhaps the coaches knew that a backup qb could not have done any better behind the protection they were getting, and to throw someone else in knowing full well they couldn't do any better would only undermine the team and that position.   

Perhaps not calling the time outs and running out the clock and packing up would send the wrong message that "we quit," "let's get this over with."  I don't care what the score is, I want my players fighting to the end.

Possibly the qb backups have not earned the position yet, through attitude, practice, perparation, or teamwork?

(It is not fair for me to cast aspirations towards the backups because I do not know them personally nor have seen their workouts and practice habits and skills.  Nor have I heard bad things about them)

We can second guess decisions that coaches make, it can be fun to do, but it is also fair to say that none of us have the benefit of all the information that the coaches have, and to second guess a coaching staff that has turned the program around is putting yourself up for second guessing as well. 

It is fair to say that Adidas and I have both been around the Trine program longer than most on this board, and perhaps that is the reason we are not as quick to criticize. 

Also, it is great to be passionate about the game.  But keep it in perspective.  Some stuff is becoming derogatory and I will try not to fall in to that.  In the big scheme of things, this is a great game.  Many life lessons are learned through playing and participating.  But it is only a game, and I am more thankful for the roof over my head, the food on my table and a family that loves me most of the time.  :)   I will get more worked up over those things than I will over who is throwing a ball to who, or who tackled who.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 02, 2011, 09:37:01 PM
UR,

Good post. Though I didn't read anything from anyone that I thought was derogatory, or at least I hope you didn't take what I was saying as "derogatory" because that wasn't my intent.

I do see the merits to your questions, and yet - I think it's a further reach to speculate on any of those things then it was to speculate on what was fairly obvious on the field Saturday. (seen versus unseen)  And that being, Hargraves struggled beyond the normal point of most college coaches tolerance.

As for a house, food and ect..., this is a football message board. I don't think any of us have football out of perspective, and while there are fans that take things to the "Nth degree", I don't think that's the case in MIAA. (the MIAC maybe another story, especially if your a Tommie or a Johnnie  ;) )

While none of us have the benefit of being at every Trine practice, I think if you used that gauge to stop the evaluation process I don't think shows like College Football Live, College Game Day, NFL Live, ect would have any merit. The reality is, this (us) is a part of football.

You're correct about you and Adidias being around the program much longer then any of us, but I think sometimes maybe that leads to a skewed perspective of what's going on with view point similar to ours (not in the program). That's not to say your view point is incorrect, it's just to say that I'm not making the comments I make to "rip" anyone, as mentioned before, I just think another kid should get a shot after the way Ryan was performing. I believe that's a logical statement to make or thought to have, and I don't think I personally criticized anyone at a personal level, at least I hope not. Performance wise, sure - but again, it's college football, I think that happens at every level.

It's just I definitely would have handled things different as it related to game situations had I coached, I think that's okay to state. Like I said, everyone coaches differently, and the team came out and laid an egg, regardless of who is coaching - a teams play ultimately falls back on the staff. It's why coaches get fired every year. To think I team can lose 26-7 and not have made any mistakes isn't logical. Every coach I've worked with had learned from wins and loses, as a coach you don't just "arrive" and know everything. As a matter of fact, one coach I worked with always said "as soon as you think know everything, quit, because your simply done trying to learn and you'll put your team in a bad spot soon enough."

I know I wasn't the only one who was wondering why Ryan was still out there, while some obviously voiced that opinion at the game (at least some of the students near me...or they looked like students with their homecoming shirts), I didn't think it worth voicing but I figured it was okay to bring it up here.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 03, 2011, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: sac on September 26, 2011, 03:31:37 PM

RATING
Trine #54
Adrian #55
Albion #90
Kzoo #136
Alma #143
Hope #145
Olivet #213


Last week's massey ratings quoted above.  This week's below

Adrian #49
Albion #81
Trine #92
Hope #102
Kalamazoo #130
Alma #157
Olivet #209

Big mover of the week was Hope who jumped 43 spots with their win over Alma.  All four of Hope's non-conference opponents won this past weekend as well, which I'm sure helped.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 03, 2011, 02:43:10 PM
Hope has a great chance to make it 3 in a row on Saturday night! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2011, 05:17:12 PM
Raider68:

Certainly there is a very good chance at that.  However, Kazoo is not going to be a "push-over" by any means.  They are much better than they have been the past couple of years and if Hope does not stay focused and/or take them lightly, it could be a derailing of the momentum we've established over the last couple of weeks.  Anyway, a night game will be a neat atmosphere.  I remember the one we had when I played in college a long time ago - it was a great experience and actually just a different feeling than in usual high school Friday night games.

BTW, your Mount had a tough test this past Saturday, but weathered the storm.  That should be a solid boost for them i.e. get that one "bad" game out of their system.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2011, 05:21:04 PM
sac:

As always, great job on the stats and thanks.  One aspect, however, that kind of baffles me is that how Albion could be ranked higher than some of the other teams when they didn't have any wins until this last Saturday.  I'm sure that some are going to say SOS was the factor, however, IMO, the "W" is more meaningful regardless of who you play and the other teams opponents were not total "doormats".  Anyway, we'll see what happens after this upcoming weekend.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 03, 2011, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 03, 2011, 05:17:12 PM
Raider68:

Certainly there is a very good chance at that.  However, Kazoo is not going to be a "push-over" by any means.  They are much better than they have been the past couple of years and if Hope does not stay focused and/or take them lightly, it could be a derailing of the momentum we've established over the last couple of weeks.  Anyway, a night game will be a neat atmosphere.  I remember the one we had when I played in college a long time ago - ti was a great experience and actually just a different feeling than in usual high school Friday night games.

BTW, your Mount had a tough test this past Saturday, but weathered the storm.  That should be a solid boost for them i.e. get that one "bad" game out of their system.

formerd3db,

You are right home night games are neat, hopefully they can make it a great night! :)

The Raider/ONU was a tough game, ONU played great defense, field conditions impacted Mount's
team speed, but a close, tough game is good for a team (especially one that usually wins by 4-5 TD's)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2011, 05:26:46 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 02, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 02, 2011, 04:55:29 PM

sflzman:

Nothing against Coach Folske as he is a good man.  However, a pitch counter doesn't quite do it for me and one really needs more than one person doing the attendance count at games (a more organized system of doing it as some colleges do).  I've been to many Alma games for many years in the past at Bahlke Stadium and while I do not put myself out as an expert on attendance estimating (because, admittedly, I have been somewhat off at times), again, I agree with you and I know there were way more than the 1280 people listed as the "official" attendance.  As I mentioned, Balhke sits 4,500 and the home stands were at least 1/2 full, actually, IMO, about 3/4 full by halftime and the early 3rd quarter before some Alma students started "drifting" away as Hope's lead had balooned to 31-0 at that point in the 3rd quarter.

Trust me, we've been saying that for a long time. I guess little battles  ::)

And about the seeting, the stands seat 5,000, and the number d3football.com gets is the compacity we include with standing room, and the places where we could have portable bleachers, if needed, for like an NCAA playoff game, and whatnot.....

sflzman:

Glad you are supporting "the same battle"! ;D :)  Also, Bahlke's main seating has always been listed at the 4,000-4,500 mark since it's "renovation" i.e. actual new construction back in 1986, however, for sure as you mention, the 5,000 reflects the "higher" capacity for the bigger games.  Before you "came on board", back in the mid-1990's for the title game of Alma vs. Albion (1994 I believe), they have over 8,000 jammed in there (actually, IMO, it was well over 9,000 as I was there).  Back in the late 1960's, with Denny Stolz's (former Alma QB and later Michigan State University Head Coach) Alma title teams, they regularly packed in over 8,000 for home games in the old Bahlke Stadium.  Oops, my apologies to our fellow posters here for my tangent off regarding history of attendance. ;D ::) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on October 03, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: ForeverFootball on October 02, 2011, 08:39:09 PM
But I have to agree with you, for the reason of nothing else but to give another QB some play time.  Why not try someone else in the 4th?

In fact, the Adrian coach, down by one with about 5 minutes left in the game against Concordia, brings in a QB cold off the bench who promptly leads them to the winning field goal.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 03, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on October 03, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: ForeverFootball on October 02, 2011, 08:39:09 PM
But I have to agree with you, for the reason of nothing else but to give another QB some play time.  Why not try someone else in the 4th?

In fact, the Adrian coach, down by one with about 5 minutes left in the game against Concordia, brings in a QB cold off the bench who promptly leads them to the winning field goal.

I knew this but didn't want to start the bantering of "our Coach was smart enough to switch quarterbacks in a down game".  Thank you for pointing that out.  And then the starting qback went to Trine knowing that if he did NOT perform, he would be pulled.  Maybe Hargraves isn't afraid of that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 03, 2011, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 03, 2011, 05:26:46 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 02, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 02, 2011, 04:55:29 PM

sflzman:

Nothing against Coach Folske as he is a good man.  However, a pitch counter doesn't quite do it for me and one really needs more than one person doing the attendance count at games (a more organized system of doing it as some colleges do).  I've been to many Alma games for many years in the past at Bahlke Stadium and while I do not put myself out as an expert on attendance estimating (because, admittedly, I have been somewhat off at times), again, I agree with you and I know there were way more than the 1280 people listed as the "official" attendance.  As I mentioned, Balhke sits 4,500 and the home stands were at least 1/2 full, actually, IMO, about 3/4 full by halftime and the early 3rd quarter before some Alma students started "drifting" away as Hope's lead had balooned to 31-0 at that point in the 3rd quarter.

Trust me, we've been saying that for a long time. I guess little battles  ::)

And about the seeting, the stands seat 5,000, and the number d3football.com gets is the compacity we include with standing room, and the places where we could have portable bleachers, if needed, for like an NCAA playoff game, and whatnot.....

sflzman:

Glad you are supporting "the same battle"! ;D :)  Also, Bahlke's main seating has always been listed at the 4,000-4,500 mark since it's "renovation" i.e. actual new construction back in 1986, however, for sure as you mention, the 5,000 reflects the "higher" capacity for the bigger games.  Before you "came on board", back in the mid-1990's for the title game of Alma vs. Albion (1994 I believe), they have over 8,000 jammed in there (actually, IMO, it was well over 9,000 as I was there).  Back in the late 1960's, with Denny Stolz's (former Alma QB and later Michigan State University Head Coach) Alma title teams, they regularly packed in over 8,000 for home games in the old Bahlke Stadium.  Oops, my apologies to our fellow posters here for my tangent off regarding history of attendance. ;D ::) :)

I'm sure that was also back when the population of cows in Alma didn't outnumber the population of people!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 03, 2011, 09:03:51 PM
Interesting points about the Adrian coach, and you very well could be right, Hargraves may not be afraid at all of getting pulled.

Regardless of how the season pans out, I'll always respectfully disagree with how the Adrian game was handled by the coaches.

And I don't think you have to worry about starting a "our coach is smarter then your coach" argument. The reality is the decision to try someone else was obvious to everyone but a few guys, but those few guys are the one's that make the final call. So that's all that matters.

Needless to say if Ryan drives them down the field a few times and leads a comeback the staff looks like a group geniuses. But when that doesn't happen, they look like, well the opposite of what geniuses are. And to be surprised that people think that way also lacks an understanding of reality. 

Hopefully this weekend isn't the train wreck last weekend was.

FormerD3er: I think there is some relevance to playing a tough early schedule and receiving some credit for that. To me a close lose to Butler or Wheaton is far more beneficial then a win against Bluffton or Manchester. Especially seeing how your ticket into the playoffs is punched with a conference championship.

FF: K+ to you sir. You've been posting well lately and are a welcomed addition to the board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
ThunderHead:

You have a point.  However, if that was always the case, then Hope should have been much higher ranked in past years when they played the likes of Wheaton and lost.  The problem I have with some of such polls is there is often no consistency and, obviously, it is opinion of those who do the polling.  But,...that's just part of "the game".  :) and that's just MO. ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 03, 2011, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 03, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
ThunderHead:

You have a point.  However, if that was always the case, then Hope should have been much higher ranked in past years when they played the likes of Wheaton and lost.  The problem I have with some of such polls is there is often no consistency and, obviously, it is opinion of those who do the polling.  But,...that's just part of "the game".  :) and that's just MO. ;D 

Agreed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 03, 2011, 09:43:37 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 03, 2011, 09:03:51 PM

Hopefully this weekend isn't the train wreck last weekend was.

FF: K+ to you sir. You've been posting well lately and are a welcomed addition to the board.

Hopefully, for Adrian, we have a repeat of the runaway defensive train ride that we had last weekend.

And thanks for the Karma, I believe in it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 03, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 03, 2011, 08:49:46 PM


I'm sure that was also back when the population of cows in Alma didn't outnumber the population of people!  ;D ;D

I'm pretty sure there has never been a time when the population of cows didn't outnumber the population of people in Alma.  :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 04, 2011, 03:49:30 PM
The MIAA Board has really been more active from last year with not only a greater number of posts, but the in-depth quality of  them. Glad to be part of the conversation! :) ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 04, 2011, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 03, 2011, 08:49:46 PM


I'm sure that was also back when the population of cows in Alma didn't outnumber the population of people!  ;D ;D

I'm pretty sure there has never been a time when the population of cows didn't outnumber the population of people in Alma.  :D ;D ;)

Haha true, but back in the day (before I was here) there was actually a decent number of people in town...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 04, 2011, 06:43:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 04, 2011, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 03, 2011, 08:49:46 PM


I'm sure that was also back when the population of cows in Alma didn't outnumber the population of people!  ;D ;D

I'm pretty sure there has never been a time when the population of cows didn't outnumber the population of people in Alma.  :D ;D ;)

Haha true, but back in the day (before I was here) there was actually a decent number of people in town...

I was mostly kidding, but thanks to the wonders of the internet I learned two things today.

1)  The number of cattle in Gratiot County is approximately 59,000....human population as of last census approx 42,000. 

2)  78% of the land in Gratiot County is devoted to farms, which makes it the highest in Michigan.  (I find this amazing when you consider all the farming in the 'thumb')


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 04, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
Seems like a good week to bust out these beauties
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F06woodenshoes2.jpg&hash=50c0d380961d88e23714eb8d7100f88d15d9522c)

Hope will be going for its 16th consecutive win in this rivalry.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 04, 2011, 10:02:36 PM
This is very excited.  Adrian moved into this top 25 poll!
http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=1153
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on October 05, 2011, 12:30:27 AM
Quote from: ForeverFootball on October 04, 2011, 10:02:36 PM
This is very excited.  Adrian moved into this top 25 poll!
http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=1153

It is very good news...for Adrian and the MIAA...Well deserved based upon the 5-0 record and the decisive win Saturday.....This is going to be fun...there will be some very interesting big games coming up to determine who will win the league...Adrian took a big step to get ahead this past week......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on October 05, 2011, 01:05:55 AM
Quote from: sac on October 04, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
Seems like a good week to bust out these beauties
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F06woodenshoes2.jpg&hash=50c0d380961d88e23714eb8d7100f88d15d9522c)

Hope will be going for its 16th consecutive win in this rivalry.

I'd be careful to not get caught up in past results....This should be a really good football game to watch.....I know they took a tough loss this past week, but Kalamazoo has shown that they are a good team and can beat people...and its another (they all are) big game for Hope...I think Hope can be competitive in this game if they continue to build on the last couple of games and play hardnosed football for 4 qtrs and avoid big play defensive errors...plus they need to get better at eliminating those offensive mistakes...but if they regress, and don't do those things, it could also be painful to watch.
Hope has a number of special promotions scheduleded around this somewhat unusual night game to draw the community in, including a Marching Band! and fireworks after the game, as it is fall break and many students will be gone, so it should be a fun atmosphere.
I'd love to see the Dutch come out really focused and ready to play, continue to build the intensity, improve the execution and, hopefully, compete for the win.....That will be up to the team......We'll see what happens.....Go Hope!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on October 05, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: sac on October 04, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
Seems like a good week to bust out these beauties
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F06woodenshoes2.jpg&hash=50c0d380961d88e23714eb8d7100f88d15d9522c)

Hope will be going for its 16th consecutive win in this rivalry.

Anybody know how old those shoes are?  The depictions of the mascots look, shall we say, out of yesteryear.  Hoping they're not from the 70' or 80's.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 05, 2011, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: matblake on October 05, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: sac on October 04, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
Seems like a good week to bust out these beauties
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F06woodenshoes2.jpg&hash=50c0d380961d88e23714eb8d7100f88d15d9522c)

Hope will be going for its 16th consecutive win in this rivalry.

Anybody know how old those shoes are?  The depictions of the mascots look, shall we say, out of yesteryear.  Hoping they're not from the 70' or 80's.

Its been a long time since I've seen them in person, but I think these are the same as they were when I was in school, late 80's early 90's.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on October 05, 2011, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: sac on October 05, 2011, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: matblake on October 05, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: sac on October 04, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
Seems like a good week to bust out these beauties
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F06woodenshoes2.jpg&hash=50c0d380961d88e23714eb8d7100f88d15d9522c)

Hope will be going for its 16th consecutive win in this rivalry.

Anybody know how old those shoes are?  The depictions of the mascots look, shall we say, out of yesteryear.  Hoping they're not from the 70' or 80's.

Its been a long time since I've seen them in person, but I think these are the same as they were when I was in school, late 80's early 90's.

I saw them on Monday, and am not sure how old the current pair is...I was told that the original pair that was used is in the College Football Hall of fame....If it helps, here's what is currently posted on the Hope Football Facebook page regarding this topic:

"The Hope-Kalamazoo football series is known as the "Wooden Shoes Rivalry". The teams have been football rivals since 1910. The traveling trophy, a pair of hand-carved Dutch wooden shoes, has been part of the rivalry since 1931. For years the wooden shoes were viewed as unique among intercollegiate trophy games because when a tie occurred the head coach of each team could have one of the pair until the next year's game. That happened six times until the NCAA eliminated the tie game ending in 1996. The teams will be playing for the 91st time in 2011."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 05, 2011, 01:51:18 PM
What if...

Trine wins out and Adrian stays undefeated, is it at all possible that the MIAA gets two teams in the playoffs?

I think it's a long shot based on the perception of the conference, but my thought is with Trines recent success combined with a 9-1 record and the only loss coming to an undefeated and ranked Adrian team - it is possible.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 05, 2011, 03:09:03 PM
My thoughts...as an Adrian parent. We are taking this one week at a time. And not looking past this Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on October 05, 2011, 03:15:50 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 05, 2011, 01:51:18 PM
What if...

Trine wins out and Adrian stays undefeated, is it at all possible that the MIAA gets two teams in the playoffs?

I think it's a long shot based on the perception of the conference, but my thought is with Trines recent success combined with a 9-1 record and the only loss coming to an undefeated and ranked Adrian team - it is possible.

Any thoughts?

It's a possibility.  It all depends on how the Pool C candidate teams stack up based off the NCAA criteria.  If the scenario you suggest plays out, you should start wishing conferences to have many teams with multiple losses so that the conference is only awarded a Pool A bid and increasing the MIAA's chances of securing a Pool C berth.  However, with the MIAC, OAC, and CCIW usually having good pool C candidates, it's probably going to be a tough road.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 05, 2011, 03:46:57 PM
While there is nothing wrong with playing the "what if" game, I think we need to remember Trine has a long ways to go before anyone can talk about them running the table.

Though the MIAA isn't the MIAC or WIAC, there are still a few teams that I think will give Trine all they can handle. In particular, the last game of the season at Albion looms large for them.

Let's not forget - Trine wasn't even competitive with Adrian, and their body of work against bottom feeding teams from other conference's doesn't give any support to a 9-1 record, as even in the wins, they were far less then spectacular. To date, Trine's played 3 good quarters of offensive football versus 16 quarters of play.

While my fellow Trine posters maybe feel I'm being "Johnny downer" I think it's important to bring a slight bit of reality to the situation.  ;) If Trine wants to be competitive, everyone has to step up to the plate and not lean on past success as a crutch, this includes the coaching staff.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on October 05, 2011, 04:15:03 PM
Some more of the "What If" game, this time it's called Deere's Bane (for canceling the game against UWW).  ;) (Though the post was before the Adrian/Trine game so the first part already happened!)

Quote from: BoBo on September 27, 2011, 11:37:21 PM
Time for a little game of "What if...?" -

What if...?
              Adrian beats Trine (like some on the MIAA board seem to think) this saturday and wins out to get their conference automatic playoff bid, in the old North Region.

What if...?
             Mount Union runs the table (well, not so much a what if?), gets the number 1 seed in the old East Region (again not so much of a what if?).

What if...?
            UWW wins out the season and gets the #1 seed in the old North Region.

(see where this is headed?)
chirp, chirp


What if...?
             The playoff committee matches up Adrian vs UWW in the first round of the 2011 playoffs at the Perk.

What if...?
             Adrian HC Jim Deere gets a headache, decides not to take the bid and keeps his team in Michigan.

:)

(Disclaimer: I'm still thinking 1 game at a time, but as a fan, I am allowed to play games of "What if?")
           
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2011, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 05, 2011, 01:51:18 PM
What if...

Trine wins out and Adrian stays undefeated, is it at all possible that the MIAA gets two teams in the playoffs?

I think it's a long shot based on the perception of the conference, but my thought is with Trines recent success combined with a 9-1 record and the only loss coming to an undefeated and ranked Adrian team - it is possible.

Any thoughts?

Under your scenario, I think it would take a fair amount of luck for Trine to make it, even with only a one loss season.  Although the pollsters probably don't look at Trine as critically as some of their own observers.

However, I am not even sure that any team is going to go undefeated in the conference this year. Hope, Kalamazoo, and Albion all have shown some spark and can't be over-looked.  That is not a knock against Adrian, I just think that there are teams capable of pulling the upset.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 06, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
I agree with all you - one game at a time, too early, need luck, alot to work on. I'm only using Trine because they are the only team with one loss in conference. This is really an MIAA question, Thunderhead has convinced me to give up on the Thunder all together  ;)

So, Is a once ranked, one loss team to an undefeated conference champion and top 25 team enough to get two teams into the dance?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2011, 01:23:08 PM
Adidas28, I am usually a very positive person, but I think the strength of schedule would come in to play and might hurt the chances.  They would need their non-conference opponents to represent themselves well the rest of the season. Trine won't get too many bonus points for beating MIAA teams if there are other 9-1 teams in tougher perceived conferences.  I think that was one reason Trine had to travel to DePauw last year. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 06, 2011, 03:42:03 PM
Big test for Trine this weekend handling the adversity of a long road trip and bouncing back from a loss which they havent had to do for a long time!  Prayers for safe travels, and for a safe game.  Also for all players to play to the Best Of Their Ability (hence my name, BOYA Best of Your Ability)

Still waiting for this Trine team to find their identity and I hope they learned a lot about themselves from this last week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 06, 2011, 05:34:46 PM
BOYA - Interesting take on your name. I like it.  ;)

I have made my thoughts known on Trine's lack of a preseason schedule  ;), it stems from the fact that you get your ticket punched for the playoffs based on, most likely, a conference championship, so unlike the BCS you're not dead with a few non-conference loses, so long as your team is being tested for league play.

I don't feel like Trine did that in any way and it hurt them against a quality opponent. Hopefully it's not just the players who learned something from the Adrian loss, because if only they learned something that'd be a true shame. ::cough couch coaching staff cough cough::

Anyway, safe travels to all. I'll be heading to Northwestern for the U of M game. Should be a dandy!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 04:23:22 PM
ThunderHead:

My son-in-law, who is a huge U of Michigan fan (like me :)), is also going to the Northwestern/U of Mich game tomorrow - that lucky guy!  He got tickets from a friend as a gift and is "blasting down" there.  Too bad our Hope night game against Kazoo is early evening as I might have just "blasted down there" with him if I thought could make it back in time for the start of our game, however,...I think that would have been cutting it too close (especially with that horrid Chicago traffic ;D ;)).  I think Michigan had better be careful as Northwestern could knock them off, although that might be a tougher challenge tomorrow since Northwestern's starting QB has been injured.  It has been reported yesterday that most likely he will be starting tomorrow, yet how effective he can be remains to be seen.  Whatever the situation, Michigan's defensive backfield had better be ready.  Anyway, I hope you have a great time.  Beautiful campus, Northwestern.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 07, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
FormerD3er,

Good stuff regarding your son-in-law, it's great you love him even though he is a Wolverine fan. LOL JK  ;)

Anyway, check your PM
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 08, 2011, 12:19:27 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 07, 2011, 04:23:22 PM
...I think that would have been cutting it too close (especially with that horrid Chicago traffic ;D ;)). 

Beautiful campus, Northwestern.

Made the trip to Northwestern in 2007, I can confirm both of these statements. 

Although I think most of the traffic issues can be blamed more on the difficulty of getting into and out of Evanston vs placing blame on Chicago itself.  ....A one hour backup on I-90/94 South of downtown, yes that I place all blame squarely on Chicago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2011, 09:50:57 AM
Oops!  First, after I posted last evening, I found out that the Northwestern/Michigan game is a night game today - I guess I had forgotten about that.  Which means I would not have been able to go anyway since our Hope/Kazoo game is tonight as well.  Thanks for the nice comment, ThunderHead.  Yes, I'll check my PM.  Safe travels to you also.

As far as the traffic in Chicago, sac, I agree with you about getting in/out of Evanston.  I meant that just getting to the city once you hit the outskirts of the Toll Road and/or the I-90/94 backups are just as bad, especially the Dan Ryan.  Nor does it help if you try to hit Lakeshore Drive as it doesn't save time.  After living 4 years in Chicago, my wife being from there also, I have to say that it is still terrible no matter what time of day you try. I've had to attend several conferences in Chicago and it took me 2 hours just to get from downtown to Hammond, IN both at 6 PM and 2PM in the afternoon, so "rush hour" doesn't make any difference.  Now if you are going "around the horn" on 294, say for example to Wheaton, Elmhurst, or even going to O'Hare and/or Wisconsin, with the Express Pass (if you have one), it is so much easier.  I rate Chicago's traffic mess worse than Detroit, however, better than Atlanta, the latter of which is just a plain nightmare (our daughter lived/taught there for 3 years recently so I had that experience).  Anyway, hope you all enjoy whatever games you are going to.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2011, 01:17:55 PM
Trine leads 7 -0 1st quarter.  Just started listening on line. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2011, 01:23:14 PM
Trine scored their td on a 14 yard run by Hargraves earlier in game.   2 sacks for LaGrange so far, with 4 minutes left in the 1st quarter. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2011, 02:15:17 PM
Still 7 - 0 start of 3rd quarter.  Not much happening on offense for either team.  Trine td was set up by interception in Lagrange territory.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 03:05:16 PM
sounds like the defense is doing a great job controlling the running game of a team that is almost a pure running team.

protection problems and penalties on the offensive line are killing some of the momentum of drives.  Again with all the "coaching expertise" that is included in all of our discussions I dont know how people fail to see the importance of protection and consistency on the offensive line.  Penalties are self inflicted and are absolutely unacceptable.

Hargraves just made a couple of important runs to keep a drive alive.  Lets hope this is momentum building
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 08, 2011, 03:10:27 PM
Not to beat a redundant drum, but again, protection issues should lead to hurries, or scrambles, not sacks and picks. Believe it or not fellas, its not ALL on the O-Line.

And BOYA87, I'd X and O with you any day. ;)

Thank goodness the Defensive decided to get on the bus, injuries or not - the offense certainly didn't.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2011, 03:30:03 PM
Tied at 14-14 now with a minute left.  Trine is lucky with that.  Almost a safety in the end zone. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
controversial call in favor of the Thunder.  Kickoff to Trine the ball deflects off of the return man at about the 10 and rolls into the endzone.  From the sound of it the return man falls on it in the endzone.  I've never known the official rule on a call like this.  with contact outside of the endzone but no possession of the ball, can it still be downed for a touchback?!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2011, 03:34:11 PM
Does O-line have anything to do with punt protection?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 08, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
I thought they said he was "tackled" in the endzone. Did he fall on it? Is that what you guys heard?

Trine = well disciplined.  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 08, 2011, 03:46:22 PM
Well a Win is a Win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 03:48:38 PM
well it was hard to tell with how they were talking about it.  what I heard on the radio is "IF he made an attempt to return the ball then it would be a safety".  Didnt give much more detail but the response from the home crowds "boo's" showed their disproval of the call.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 03:50:26 PM
agreed!  sounds like Biller might hvae been having concussion like symptoms after a hard hit and Inge come up BIG in overtime!!!

Props to the coaches for knowing the personality of their team and holding back at the end of regulation to play for overtime
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 08, 2011, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 03:50:26 PM
agreed!  sounds like Biller might hvae been having concussion like symptoms after a hard hit and Inge come up BIG in overtime!!!

Props to the coaches for knowing the personality of their team and holding back at the end of regulation to play for overtime

Um....I don't know that I give them "props" for that, anyone with half a football IQ would look at the stats or the body of work Trine's offense has produced and come to the conclusion "we probably have a better shot of fumbling, getting picked off, or getting sacked then we do of going 90 yards for the go a head TD."

Just my opinion though. Maybe to some - that's not as clear.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2011, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 08, 2011, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 03:50:26 PM
agreed!  sounds like Biller might hvae been having concussion like symptoms after a hard hit and Inge come up BIG in overtime!!!

Props to the coaches for knowing the personality of their team and holding back at the end of regulation to play for overtime

Um....I don't know that I give them "props" for that, anyone with half a football IQ would look at the stats or the body of work Trine's offense has produced and come to the conclusion "we probably have a better shot of fumbling, getting picked off, or getting sacked then we do of going 90 yards for the go a head TD."

Just my opinion though. Maybe to some - that's not as clear.  ;)

I think that Boya has plenty of football IQ, but thanks for clearing it up for us.  I suspect there was a little bit of humor mixed into Boya's comment.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 08, 2011, 04:13:32 PM
UR - I figured, thus there was little bit of humor mixed in with mine. Did you see the  ;) ? Isn't that message board code for  ;D?

The only way I know not to come off as a prick or offensive to you guys is to use  :)  ;)  :D  ;D. I though that was message board lingo for "in good fun."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2011, 06:25:03 PM
Got it!  ??? :) ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 07:55:12 PM
Do most of the other MIAA schools have a broadcast for their games?!

I usually dont listen because I can go to most of the games but listening today made me really appreciate Aaron Coyal and the job that he does for Trine University athletics!  He does a great job with the broadcast
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on October 08, 2011, 10:49:56 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 07:55:12 PM
Do most of the other MIAA schools have a broadcast for their games?!

I usually dont listen because I can go to most of the games but listening today made me really appreciate Aaron Coyal and the job that he does for Trine University athletics!  He does a great job with the broadcast

All of the schools do some type of broadcast, whether it's an internet only broadcast or broadcast that's streamed on the Internet and a local radio station. In my opinion, Aaron Coyle is one of the best if not the best in the league.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2011, 05:07:06 PM
Tough loss for Alma yesterday with the blocked PAT which would have sent the game into overtime. Only 1574 or so at the game at Albion?  Were they on break?  Hope had a great crowd last evening - see comments below.

A really great game between Kazoo and Hope last evening under the lights at Holland Stadium and the city's Homedays Celebration.  Both teams played well and hard; Kazoo is tremendously improved from last year and before, with a very fast and explosive offense.  The game may not have been quite as close had the TD Hope scored in the early first quarter been allowed.  With 3rd and goal at Kazoo's goaline area, Hope's QB Atwell appeared to score, however, after long discussion, the officials ruled that his knee had touched first.  Then with 4th and 1, he appeared to score only to have that ruled he did not cross the line.  Having been right down there on the sideline with a ground level and direct view, I am willing to give the officials the first call as it may have been close, however, without question, the ball broke the plane of the goal on the second i.e. 4th down run.  Regardless, those calls will happen and you have to "play over" that as Hope did.  I give Kazoo credit.  Hope's running game and the offensive blocking continues to be good (a few missed blocks at times, but not too bad), the receivers had better hands this game.  Some missed tackles on occasion and that needs to be "shored-up", but a good defensive effort when needed. Also, both teams had some tremendous punts.  Overall, a very good, hard played game; great crowd at about 3,500 and the after game fireworks show put on by the city was huge and fanstastic - one of the best I've seen in a long time (and I've seen some great fireworks displays/battles of the cities in recent years).  The weather was perfect for a wonderful fall game - no wind and not too hot/not too cold.  The night game atmosphere was good. 

Best of luck to Kazoo the rest of the way.  I think Zorbo has them pointed in the right direction.  Great to see more players on the team.  We knew they would be tough and we're glad to have the win.  Albion is next for our Homecoming and that will be a very tough game even though it is at home for Hope.  The battle of two of the current unbeaten teams as far as MIAA play itself. 

Comments anyone regarding the other MIAA team's games yesterday?   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 09, 2011, 05:59:53 PM
formerd3db,

The Hope/K-zoo game must have been a good one, dd not see the stats, and Hope has another tough
one with Albion, but you have to pleased mid-way through the season! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 09, 2011, 05:59:53 PM
formerd3db,

The Hope/K-zoo game must have been a good one, dd not see the stats, and Hope has another tough
one with Albion, but you have to pleased mid-way through the season! :)

Yes, it has been a pleasant surprise, especially after the opening game of the season against IWU and our only other loss so far to Millikin (which could have been a nice win).  However, as you mention, now the real test comes with Albion, followed by Trine and then Adrian.  Albion, after a rough start is starting to roll it appears, even though they only beat Alma by one, whom we handled fairly well.  Yet, that doesn't surprise me since I figured Alma would be streaming hard for a win.  That being said, Albion is always tough against Hope no matter where the game is played, however, I'm glad we have them at our place.  If we get by them with a win, then I guess we'll find out if we "are for real" at Trine followed by Adrian.  Trine will be tough since it is at their place; Adrian, well...enough said. ;D Anyway, if we can stay healthy i.e. away from the "injury bug", then we'll obviously have the best chance we can have.

Hope your weekend went well and was enjoyable, especially with this weather.  Your Mount Union continues to roll - but I figured they would!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 10, 2011, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on October 08, 2011, 10:49:56 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 08, 2011, 07:55:12 PM
Do most of the other MIAA schools have a broadcast for their games?!

I usually dont listen because I can go to most of the games but listening today made me really appreciate Aaron Coyal and the job that he does for Trine University athletics!  He does a great job with the broadcast

All of the schools do some type of broadcast, whether it's an internet only broadcast or broadcast that's streamed on the Internet and a local radio station. In my opinion, Aaron Coyle is one of the best if not the best in the league.

I second the thought that Aaron Coyle is a great broadcaster - especially for D3 level, and i do believe he is the best in the league. I did love Isaac McCormack when he was the local high school guy here, and also did Alma games last year. Gotta love this call from the Kentucky Welseyan game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDDmOgkp_zc

And as for the albion/alma game, I have no comment. This season has been so frustrating! A few plays here and there and we would be 5-1 (1-1)!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2011, 04:04:11 PM
sflzman:

Your college had a great stadium gameday announcer for many years until a couple of years ago when he retired.  Alma alum Mr. Dick Lee (who I've known for most of my life and who was the drama teacher at my high school, his wife being an elementary school teacher in our district as well) was one of the best I've ever heard.  His enthusiasm, humor and colorful commentary was always a crowd pleaser and added much to the game in making it an exciting atmosphere for the crowd.  Moreover, even though he was an Alma alum, he never showed that bias in announcing the games as he was always "fair and balanced" (to borrow that Fox News slogan ;)) even though you knew deep down he was rooting for his alma mater.  Seriously, IMO, he was one of the best ever to do that aspect, even better than some of our best national college and pro announcers (in grouping all announcers together in general i.e. PBP, color analysts and stadium announcers).  We also had two great announcers at Hope back in my day (Dr. VanIwarden, math prof at the college, now retired and living in Florida during the winters, although currently doing the "chain gang" at Hope home football games and his partner Hal -oops, forgot his last name :-[ - both of them were great in the radio broadcasting of the games both home and away). Anyway, obviously, you have good people in there now as you have mentioned, although, from this veteran, I do miss hearing Dick Lee when we are up at Bahlke.  But...time marches on. :) ;D   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 10, 2011, 05:59:58 PM
Dick Lee was great! He really was the face of Bahlke Field - or moreso the "voice" would be a better term  ;) - and you always knew he would be professional and enthusiastic about what he was doing. I think the new guy will be good as well, but he's still "reading from a script" right now and you can tell he's not at that level of Mr. Lee yet....As much as I miss his voice on Saturday afternoons, everything can't last forever....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2011, 07:09:57 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 10, 2011, 05:59:58 PM
Dick Lee was great! He really was the face of Bahlke Field - or moreso the "voice" would be a better term  ;) - and you always knew he would be professional and enthusiastic about what he was doing. I think the new guy will be good as well, but he's still "reading from a script" right now and you can tell he's not at that level of Mr. Lee yet....As much as I miss his voice on Saturday afternoons, everything can't last forever....

So true, everything has to come to an end sometime.  Thanks for the kind words about Mr. Lee.  He'll always be remembered at Alma.  I'm sure your new guy will continue to move toward that next tier/level!   I do think he did a good job from what I recall a couple of weeks ago when we were up at your place.  He does have some humor as well.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 11, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2011, 01:59:08 PM

Adrian #49
Albion #81
Trine #92
Hope #102
Kalamazoo #130
Alma #157
Olivet #209


Last week's massey ratings quoted above.  This week's below

Adrian #59
Albion #88
Hope #95
Trine #98
Alma #142
Kalamazoo #149
Olivet #203

Some shuffling around this week.  Adrian, Albion and Trine drop a little, probably because all 3 had two non-conference opponents take losses.

Massey also has a score predictor.

October 15
Albion 23 Hope 21
Kalamazoo 41 Olivet 31
Trine 31 Alma 28

Overall Massey has Adrian at better than 70% running the table, the real battle is for 2nd between Albion, Hope, Trine.  In the head-to-heads between these three massey currently has the scores

Albion 23 Hope 21
Trine 23 Hope 21
Albion 27 Trine 24

Massey also has Olivet at better than 80% to finish winless.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 11, 2011, 11:55:37 AM







Overall Massey has Adrian at better than 70% running the table, the real battle is for 2nd between Albion, Hope, Trine.  In the head-to-heads between these three massey currently has the scores

Albion 23 Hope 21
Trine 23 Hope 21
Albion 27 Trine 24

Massey also has Olivet at better than 80% to finish winless.
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I have no idea who this Massey is.....but I like him and his opinion.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 11, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
Quote from: ForeverFootball on October 11, 2011, 11:55:37 AM
I have no idea who this Massey is.....but I like him and his opinion.  :)

Massey is Kenneth Massey and he has a ratings system for college and professional sports.  The FBS version is used in the BCS calculations.

www.masseyratings.com

his bio......

Kenneth Massey is a professor of mathematics at Carson-Newman College in Jefferson City, TN. He received his B.S. from Bluefield College and a master's degree (ABD) in mathematics from Virginia Tech. His research involved Krylov subspaces in the field of numerical linear algebra.

Kenneth is a partner with Limfinity consulting, and produces the Massey Ratings, which provide objective team evaluation for professional, college, and high school sports. His college football ratings have been a component of the Bowl Championship Series since 1999. Massey has also worked with highschoolsports.net since 2008.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2011, 08:04:38 PM
Huge MIAA games this weekend!  Questions will be answered.  New questions will be asked.  There will be answers to questions that have not even been asked.   :o

My predictions....

Adrian will go winless on Saturday.
Trine will win at Alma in a close game
Hope wins at home vs Albion
Kalamazoo rolls at Olivet.


Adrian will not score any points and you have to score in order to win.

Gotta go with the Thunder.  Alma has had relatively close games with some decent teams, and a tough non-conference schedule.  Trine's defense will be tested.  But if the Trine offense shows up (my gut says they will and I have a big gut) the Alma defense will give up more points than Trine's.

Picked Hope because they are at home and comparing like opponents (Kzoo and Alma) Hope gave up less points vs both.  Hope won at Alma 35-15, and Albion barely won at home vs Alma 27-26. 

Kzoo has shown they can win games and score.  Olivet has shown they can schedule killer non-conference teams and get thumped.  Respect them for playing tough schedule but hope that hasn't demoralized them.

My Adrian prediction is a lock / sure thing.  Bet the house on it!





Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 11, 2011, 08:19:11 PM
Mid-way through the season, and it could be a four way battle for the conference title. What team has the advantage, and which teams will fall off in the coming weeks. This week's test is Albion v. Hope! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2011, 08:42:19 PM
Uncle Rico:
I think you are pretty much "right on" with your predictions. ;)

Raider68:
I think you are right that this week's determining factor is the Albion/Hope game.  Right now, Adrian is, without question, the front-runner.  Yet, as all of know, the MIAA, despite being a perhaps lesser talented conference overall in recent years (with the exception of Trine perhaps the last 3 years), it is always an unpredictable league race in the last 3-4 weeks.  Obviously, some teams weed themselves out each week, yet it usually seems to come down to a last game "must win" sometimes for the teams.  I guess that is what makes it exciting, rather than those years during the 1990's when Albion simply pounded and smashed everyone! ;D

BTW, did you guys see where Defiance Head Coach Robert Taylor (an Albion grad and former assistant at DII St. Josephs, Indiana) resigned today?  That surprised me somewhat; on the other hand, not.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 11, 2011, 09:13:24 PM
I think this could be the best finish the MIAA has seen since the "Championship Game" of Alma @ Adrian a few years back. Albion and Alma both have yet to really "peak" considering expectations (neither has Trine for that matter as they've dissapointed to their high standards), Hope and Kalamazoo are playing above expectations, but how long can that last? Adrian looks strong but has not had to deal a second strong opponent. while Trine is "down", but how "down" can Trine really be though? Olivet is Olivet....

I will put money on two things in the MIAA:

1. Olivet will go winless

2. Calvin will run the table  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 11, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
Everyone seems in true form today.  ;D

I agree with UR on everything but Trine having an offense that shows up in a "big gut way" ;). Fact is - even if they do show up, they don't have a very good offense. If they're successful it will be due in large part to a poor Alma defense. I hate to be critical but this isn't an offense that resembles anything decent, especially in the air. (yes I know, we don't have Eric Watt and we have nobody who's any good now, and all the coaches are just spectacular to even get this team to a few wins...) After the Adrian games, 4 picks, 2 fumbles, 150 some yards, ect we follow it up with a passing game that went 10-15 for 71 yards...fantastic.

Now bash me if you want, but just because I am not up to my neck in blue Gatorade doesn't make me a bad guy, I just don't see anything that makes me think Trine's offense has just been "held back" and is waiting to break out. Rather I feel like the early season nobody's they played gave a huge false perception of how good they were.  But that's JMO.

Anyway - my LOCK of the WEEK, Michigan State beats Michigan to make it 4 in a row.  8-)  I'll be EL Saturday at what no doubt will be a rocking environment. I'd hit up the Alma game if MSU v UM would have pulled the 3:30 slot, but alas, it's a 12 noon kickoff. Bummer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2011, 09:54:02 PM
ThunderHead:
Yes, it's too bad (sometimes) that the Big Ten games have noon starts.  I would have liked to hit Michigan State/U of Michigan if it were a late afternoon game (or evening) were our game not scheduled for a 2 PM start due to it being Homecoming (yeah, I know it is sold out, however, there are always ways of getting some tickets).  BTW, how was your trip to the Northwestern/Michigan game?  My son-in-law said he had a fantastic time - especially since Michigan won! :D ;D :) Also, I take it that your job transfer has been delayed since your are still around here, but that is good, especially if you are in the Grand Rapids region?

sflzman:
You are probably right about Olivet going winless, but...maybe, just maybe... ::)  I, however, just hope is not against us (i.e. Hope) ;D :).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 11, 2011, 10:10:39 PM
formerD3db,

Unfortunately my transfer is delayed because the company is having difficulty finalizing the "firing" of the guy who's place I'm taking. So, it's been rough, and though I enjoy Grand Rapids, MI it's not been easy especially on the wife and kid with school going, plus AZ has a different schedule then IN or MI. So I've requested that I not move until possibly after the Holidays to make it easier for them. But with this company, who knows... 

Anyway the NW game was good from a football environment stand point, but really sloppy from a coaching stand point. It was good to catch up with some old friends, and I enjoy Chicago. Good food and good people. It's more enjoyable now because my son is old enough to travel with me for these events, and that's pretty neat from a fathers standpoint.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2011, 11:46:43 PM
ThunderHead:

Sorry to hear about the delay in your job transfer/move.  I understand how that can be stressful on not only you, but your family.  However, as you mention, it will hopefully get straightened out in the not too distant future.  Yes, the first of the New Year should be brighter for you in that regard.

Also, glad to hear that you had a great time at the Northwestern/Michigan game and in Chicago in general as well.  It is always great to be able to visit with old friends and just kick back and enjoy good food at some great establishment with a good atmosphere.  Moreover, that is neat in regards to your son - those times, as I'm sure you already know, are priceless and "we only get one shot at those".  How neat for you.



Take care and talk to you later.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 12, 2011, 01:03:16 PM
thunderhead, is it that we dont have an offense or that we dont have a quarterback?!  I just feel like that is a pitfall that is easy to fall into when you are more loyal to a player and not the team as a whole.  I just wonder what your opinion would be of this team should Blackport be the quarterback with equal results.

The Trine offensive production has come at a lack of consistent production from the run game, lack of protection from the offensive line, and also a lot of injuries to offensive specialty players, and yes but not least the lack of production of the quarterback.  A lot of it is fixable though but until they find some discipline on the o-line and a leader on that offense that looks at his teammates and says "I will get us this first down, I will make this play, I will get us to the next level" then I think they will continue to struggle!  (I know I used the word "I" a lot in that example of a leader, but this is a team used to having an Eric Watt type player whos talent could hide a lot of mistakes and flaws.  This team needs someone to step up and say that they can be the guy that the team looks to!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 12, 2011, 02:41:57 PM
formerd3db,

What is the condition of Hope's field ( or should I say the city of Holland's field) and what is the
weather forecast? Those factors could affect the outcome! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 12, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
Boya,

I think it's the lack of offense in general and that has more then a little to do with the quarterback position. Although I do like Blackport, I think Rausch would be fine too. Do I know that the team would be more productive with another guy at the helm? No, as I've said in other posts, and again, something that you seem to over look, is that when a player struggles, as Ryan has, it's fair to see if a change would bring better results. If it were Blackport or Rausch I would have the same opinion if the results were 4 ints, 2 fumbles, and less then a 50% completion percentage against Adrian followed up by a 10-15 for 73 yard performance against LaGrange.

Yes the run game is dismal, but the passing game isn't helping establish the run game either. I know some suggest the line play is the reason for the performance thus far, and maybe to an extent this true. But generally speaking it's way off base to think that the QB position isn't one that shouldn't be addressed. Because like I've said before, there are plenty of times when Ryan's made mistakes that haven't been forced. IF those mistakes are a result of feeling rushed then it should result in a) throws out of bounds that aren't necessary b) early runs c) hurries. It should not result in Picks and Fumbles. This isn't acceptable in continual fashion at the college level. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any fan says "why not try someone else." If people don't like that, I suggest they stay far away from D1 or D2 football, where the fan bases are larger and the demand for success is greater.

It's nothing against Ryan, it's more about the results, switch the names if you want, my opinion would be the same though.

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of D3 football, but I get more the a little irritated that people think some programs are "off limits" to questioning. This is JMO, but yes, I think Trine would be better with another QB based on the performance of the program of late. If you can show me numbers within the last two games that show otherwise, I'd be happy to listen. As it stands, its college football - you're only as good as your last game. This is true for players and coaches, this isn't intramural's.

I agree completely that the team needs a leader, but if that's not happening, why not allows someone else the shot? Regardless of who. If the team lacks discipline, especially on the O-Line, that falls on the coaching staff. Trine's come out flat twice, that's in part on the coaching staff as well as the players. 

These are my thoughts, I'm not saying I have all the answers. I'm justing doing what most people do on a message board, discussing things. Please take no offense, it's not intended to cause any. But to the point, I think your point of "a pitfall that is easy to fall into is when you are more loyal to a player and not the team as a whole" is a good point, and although I'm sure you meant it for me  ;) it's a pitfall that I think this coaching staff fell into. It's not the first staff to do this, and it won't be the last, but IMO that's exactly what happened.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 12, 2011, 04:30:01 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 12, 2011, 02:41:57 PM
formerd3db,

What is the condition of Hope's field ( or should I say the city of Holland's field) and what is the
weather forecast? Those factors could affect the outcome! :-\

I haven't seen the field but it has not rained in almost two weeks in most of Michigan (except today in Detroit apparently).  Forecast for Saturday in Holland is for sunny and breezy with a high of 57.  It is supposed to rain a little over the next couple days but I don't think it would be enough to potentially cause the field to tear apart, not with it having been so dry for so long.   Holland High is away Friday night so it will have been a full week without competition.

Here's a photo from last week, looks pretty good to me.  The middle might be torn up a little.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F307468_10150856018150725_159052375724_21332799_14295925_n.jpg&hash=b7a710aed0ca57f4411cef250bf7abd5628dfeb2)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 12, 2011, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2011, 04:30:01 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 12, 2011, 02:41:57 PM
formerd3db,

What is the condition of Hope's field ( or should I say the city of Holland's field) and what is the
weather forecast? Those factors could affect the outcome! :-\

I haven't seen the field but it has not rained in almost two weeks in most of Michigan (except today in Detroit apparently).  Forecast for Saturday in Holland is for sunny and breezy with a high of 57.  It is supposed to rain a little over the next couple days but I don't think it would be enough to potentially cause the field to tear apart, not with it having been so dry for so long.   Holland High is away Friday night so it will have been a full week without competition.

Here's a photo from last week, looks pretty good to me.  The middle might be torn up a little.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F307468_10150856018150725_159052375724_21332799_14295925_n.jpg&hash=b7a710aed0ca57f4411cef250bf7abd5628dfeb2)



sac,

Thanks for the information, You are not only a good weatherman, but a good field conditions analyst! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2011, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 12, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
I get more the a little irritated that people think some programs are "off limits" to questioning.

Since you brought it up...I am not sure if that was directed at me, but I do not think that it is off limits to question a coaches or programs decisions publicly on a forum in a level headed way, even if I disagree with the premise or question.  If I disagree with the person being critical of a coach or program, it does not mean I think the coach or program is "off limits," it is simply because I disagree with the premise being presented.  If I disagree with an opinion it is because of what I believe, and should not be merely written off as simple blind faith in the program.   

I think everyone has the right to their opinions, and the right to express it.  Coaches are not always right, and neither are we.  I will continue to express my opinions, and I know you will as well.  That is the way it should be!  That is what makes it all fun!   :)

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 12, 2011, 09:10:47 PM
UR,

I fully agree with your thought, and no it wasn't directed at you.  ;) You and I talk enough where I'd have PM'd you for clarification if I though you were sending off those vibes toward me. I hope you didn't take it that way.  :)

As with most posters I enjoy reading your thoughts and your opinions. It's good stuff. 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2011, 09:38:50 PM
Yes, I think that Hope's (Holland Stadium) turf has held up quite well so far, although as sac has pointed out, a) there has not been the rain like we had last year during this time and b) of recent, there have not been as many high school and/or jv games played there during this time of October either.  However, I will say that the turf is still not the ideal and I will be among the many that will keep saying that the City of Holland and Hope really need to just go ahead and get the synthetic turf.  My gosh, almost all the high schools in the surrounding area as well as Hope itself for its soccer/lacrosse stadium has the synthetic turf. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 13, 2011, 12:55:29 AM
Ok, so I have typed and deleted a few comments.  I am trying to behave.  I just wish I could do that "karma" thingy just for Thunderhead.  :)  He needs at least one....geeesshhh.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 13, 2011, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2011, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 12, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
I get more the a little irritated that people think some programs are "off limits" to questioning.

Since you brought it up...I am not sure if that was directed at me, but I do not think that it is off limits to question a coaches or programs decisions publicly on a forum in a level headed way, even if I disagree with the premise or question.  If I disagree with the person being critical of a coach or program, it does not mean I think the coach or program is "off limits," it is simply because I disagree with the premise being presented.  If I disagree with an opinion it is because of what I believe, and should not be merely written off as simple blind faith in the program.   

I think everyone has the right to their opinions, and the right to express it.  Coaches are not always right, and neither are we.  I will continue to express my opinions, and I know you will as well.  That is the way it should be!  That is what makes it all fun!   :)

   

Uncle Rico,

Well said! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2011, 12:38:11 PM
ForeverFootball:

Keep on posting until you get to that "minimum #" for karma privileges and then you can throw +k :) :D (or smite :o ::) ;D whoever you want! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on October 13, 2011, 01:05:28 PM
+K Thunder.  Sorry I haven't checked your karma supply in a while. Sticking to your guns usually results in a karma drain. 
I'll adjust my weekly to do list as follows:
-Take out the garbage
-Fill the gas tank
-Give the kids lunch money
-Make sure Thunder has positive karma.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 13, 2011, 03:50:18 PM
FF:

Thanks for the K+ thought.  ;) Keep posting, you always bring good stuff to the table and it's great to have an active Adrian poster.

emma17 - I very much like your amended schedule, and very much appreciate the inclusion. I was wondering if I'd be the first person to reach 300 posts with zero karma.  :o

I know not everyone always agree's with me, (most don't) and I'm doing my best to spell out why I have the thoughts I do in a nice way. Hopefully I'm improving.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 13, 2011, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 13, 2011, 03:50:18 PM
I know not everyone always agree's with me, (most don't) and I'm doing my best to spell out why I have the thoughts I do in a nice way. Hopefully I'm improving.  ;D

My thought with that, is that even if I don't agree with your opinion, that as long as you come out with a viable support structure for your opinion, and you are strong with your POV (wishy washy people bug me! Bigtime!) then I do not have an issue with where you stand....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 13, 2011, 05:22:26 PM
Would I be considered NOT wishy washy if I said that I predict that Adrian will WIN this weekend.  And I will bet Karma on it.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 13, 2011, 05:23:09 PM
Or maybe the bet better be, that Adrian will NOT lose this weekend.  :)   Bet your karma on that buddy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 13, 2011, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: ForeverFootball on October 13, 2011, 05:22:26 PM
Would I be considered NOT wishy washy if I said that I predict that Adrian will WIN this weekend.  And I will bet Karma on it.  :)
Quote from: ForeverFootball on October 13, 2011, 05:23:09 PM
Or maybe the bet better be, that Adrian will NOT lose this weekend.  :)   Bet your karma on that buddy.

I feel as tho you may be contradicting your prediction there "buddy"  ;) haha  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 13, 2011, 06:49:16 PM
Forgot to post this this morning. Oh well, better late than never  ::)

Andy Dick (the comedian) was in Alma last night to premiere his new movie that is coming out, "Division 3, Football's Finest"

Looks like it will be a great (and really funny) movie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvaGzofrzEI
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 12:43:01 AM
sflzman:

You have Homecoming this weekend, just as we do at Hope.  My brother is coming up to there again (wow, returning twice in one year to his alma mater ;D :o) and is looking forward to meeting several of his former teammates for a nostalgic time - campus tour (he's never seen the Smith Alumni House, so I told him he needs to make sure he does that), dinner, and, of course, the game.  We already had the V.I.P. tour of the new facilities at your place when we were there a couple of weeks ago for the Hope/Alma game, so that was neat (we are most appreciative of the refurbished area for the various trophies, history displays including the Scholar-Athlete Award named in his honor) - the new bb/vb Smith Arena is very nice as is the new football areas for history, meeting rooms, etc.  Anyway, good luck this weekend; perhaps Alma can rise to the occasion and knock off Trine (sorry about that you Trine people! ;D ::) :)) as Alma is about due for a break in the "luck department" for winning a game.

I'm hoping the weather will be nice for the Homecomings at your placed and ours this weekend.  We have Albion, so that will be a tough game, yet I hope we'll again arise to the occasion. This "old man former footballer" might be playing the annual Alumni Lacrosse Game depending on how my legs/back feel Sat AM - I can still "hang a few" on those young dudes believe it or not ;D :D :o ::) :P so we'll see what happens! Again, all the best for a nice weekend to you and the rest of the Alma gang and fans.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on October 14, 2011, 02:28:06 AM
QuoteThis "old man former footballer" might be playing the annual Alumni Lacrosse Game depending on how my legs/back feel Sat AM - I can still "hang a few" on those young dudes believe it or not ;D :D :o ::) :P so we'll see what happens! Again, all the best for a nice weekend to you and the rest of the Alma gang and fans.

Be careful and don't "pull a Cave2Bens."  Only thing worse than no pad collisions is throwing in lax sticks - the bruises don't dissipate quite so quickly post half century mark.  ;D ;D :o ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on October 14, 2011, 02:28:06 AM
QuoteThis "old man former footballer" might be playing the annual Alumni Lacrosse Game depending on how my legs/back feel Sat AM - I can still "hang a few" on those young dudes believe it or not ;D :D :o ::) :P so we'll see what happens! Again, all the best for a nice weekend to you and the rest of the Alma gang and fans.

Be careful and don't "pull a Cave2Bens."  Only thing worse than no pad collisions is throwing in lax sticks - the bruises don't dissipate quite so quickly post half century mark.  ;D ;D :o ;) 

Thanks cave2, I know what you mean. :D :o :)  My wife has given me the same "eye"/warning!  Anyway, I hope you are doing well and recovering satisfactory from your recent surgery.  Your wife, no doubt, had to do some "double duty" between her job and assisting you?! ;) Take care and talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 14, 2011, 10:50:52 AM
D3DB


Couple comments

Should be a great game, very close.
I have no former players or friends kids playing on either team this year, kinda hard to believe :o
I may even pull for a Hope win since I believe it is Hope Homecoming and there is something "Just Wrong" with losing a Homecoming Game your Senior Year.

Not sure I can pull for Hope, too many years pulling for Albion with Family, Friends, and former players history.

Nice to see the league competitive internally, every week will have an effect on league championship. Trine just dominated in the recent years.

Get out there and play LAX, remember the older you get the better you were.
It is the curse and blessing of a former athlete, you never really accept that you have lost a step or ten  ;D
My knees are so bad that I actually look forward to another replacement surgery, rehab was quick and beneficial the first knee.


Thunder

Do not change your posting style, very informative.
Good luck on the relocation, if I understand things correctly you may be heading to the Grand Rapids area.
If this is correct you will Love the area, great energy, growing city, yet keeping the family feel.
Get out to Lake MI it is easy and the cities along the coast are great for a get-away.
If you are at the MSU V UofM game, enjoy yourself though not too much as I will be there pulling for the Wolverine's

Funny how I find it hard to get back to MI for certain events but I have not missed a UofM game since I moved. Some of my friends and relatives are starting to think I do not like them  ;)


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 14, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
Quote from: D306 on October 14, 2011, 10:50:52 AM
D3DB




If you are at the MSU V UofM game, enjoy yourself though not too much as I will be there pulling for the Wolverine's

Funny how I find it hard to get back to MI for certain events but I have not missed a UofM game since I moved. Some of my friends and relatives are starting to think I do not like them  ;)
Go BLUE!  Where are you coming from for the game? And what a great week for my son to have an off week and we can enjoy the UM/MSU game.  Except he informs me that he might be going to law school at MSU.  This could be a problem :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 14, 2011, 12:17:20 PM
FF

depending on family issues, I am coming from NC, I have 2 residences presently NC and TN.

Sorry if this is off topic but those who have asked in the past, Grandkids (twins) are doing as well as can be expected.
Daughter in Law has adjusted to the loss of Husband and young son.
Twins are making mental / cognitive progress, physically, emotionally it is a fight that has a predetermined outcome just a matter of when or a miracle.

UofM wins in a tight game, really could go either way with no surprise of a close win or blow-out either way.

MSU has great defense may have a some questions in backside but Offense is in a funk. Strong RB group, OL is questionable and not healthy. QB is not living up to 5th year Senior status too many mental errors and bad throws. Many are forced as the line provides no protection, can not keep a run game to spin clock or keep teams honest. Play calling has to commit to a game plan, I question some of the trick play calls this year. Got lucky, nice call last year going to the well to often has lost the "surprise" effect.

UofM young defense living on energy and good adjustments by coaching staff, need some DL, LB pure size, backside not as weak as many thought going in to year.
Offense working on a running game, a little better than many expected, OL is solid not great. QB is a freak, too many passes with a lot of "air" on them. Expect turnovers Big threat is a broken play and loss of containment, he will make you pay very fast.
Coaching / Karma is on UofM side, Home game on MSU side  should be a great game, not a picture of BCS quality teams but very Physical and spirited. Expect some big plays, and penalties to be critical. UofM is playing over the talent level, winning on attitude key to the season, is what happens when the crazy comeback fails then the real coaching starts.

Hitting Grand Haven after the game to check out the cottage, make sure the racoons, field mice and other animals that probably moved into the garage with lack of use are happy  :D

FF
I take it your son plays for Adrian, congrats to you and him.  Great experience for him. The new coaching staff has been good for Adrian win or lose. It was time for a change.

Enjoy his time playing, it is something only a few families and young men get to experience.
Document all you can, he and your family will love to review it as the years pass.

Wish we had better pictures, films, etc... of our kids playing days, let alone what they have for old codgers like me. No I did not have a leather helmut  >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 14, 2011, 12:40:52 PM
Quote from: D306 on October 14, 2011, 12:17:20 PM
FF

depending on family issues, I am coming from NC, I have 2 residences presently NC and TN.

Sorry if this is off topic but those who have asked in the past, Grandkids (twins) are doing as well as can be expected.
Daughter in Law has adjusted to the loss of Husband and young son.
Twins are making mental / cognitive progress, physically, emotionally it is a fight that has a predetermined outcome just a matter of when or a miracle.

UofM wins in a tight game, really could go either way with no surprise of a close win or blow-out either way.

MSU has great defense may have a some questions in backside but Offense is in a funk. Strong RB group, OL is questionable and not healthy. QB is not living up to 5th year Senior status too many mental errors and bad throws. Many are forced as the line provides no protection, can not keep a run game to spin clock or keep teams honest. Play calling has to commit to a game plan, I question some of the trick play calls this year. Got lucky, nice call last year going to the well to often has lost the "surprise" effect.

UofM young defense living on energy and good adjustments by coaching staff, need some DL, LB pure size, backside not as weak as many thought going in to year.
Offense working on a running game, a little better than many expected, OL is solid not great. QB is a freak, too many passes with a lot of "air" on them. Expect turnovers Big threat is a broken play and loss of containment, he will make you pay very fast.
Coaching / Karma is on UofM side, Home game on MSU side  should be a great game, not a picture of BCS quality teams but very Physical and spirited. Expect some big plays, and penalties to be critical. UofM is playing over the talent level, winning on attitude key to the season, is what happens when the crazy comeback fails then the real coaching starts.

Hitting Grand Haven after the game to check out the cottage, make sure the racoons, field mice and other animals that probably moved into the garage with lack of use are happy  :D

FF
I take it your son plays for Adrian, congrats to you and him.  Great experience for him. The new coaching staff has been good for Adrian win or lose. It was time for a change.

Enjoy his time playing, it is something only a few families and young men get to experience.
Document all you can, he and your family will love to review it as the years pass.

Wish we had better pictures, films, etc... of our kids playing days, let alone what they have for old codgers like me. No I did not have a leather helmut  >:(


D306,

Thanks for all the kind words, and actually, I'm in the GR area right now, awaiting a possible move out west at the first of the year, provided they handle the situation out west correctly. Otherwise I will here stay in GR, or possibly be sent to Indianapolis. Trust me, the wife isn't happy with how things have progressed, nor am I. Though we are enjoying Grand Rapids.

Now all this said, I have to differ with you slightly on the highlighted, I know it's not MIAA or D3 related, but I figured I chime in seeing how it's a rivalry game.

MSU defense has played very well this year, (number 1 overall defense in the country) with a very good front four, and some terrific edge to flat defenders in the LB core, however where their strength dwells is within their secondary. They have four very talented defensive backs, and I fully believe they have and advantage over the Michigan WR core and Denard "250 Dead or Alive" Robinson.  ;)

Now, as for Kirk Cousins and the offense...forgive me is this is a little long, but I think the general feeling about him, even in EL, is a bit off. And if you take all things into consideration, he's doing well.

Sure, everyone--including Kirk himself--would agree that the MSU QB play hasn't always been perfect this year. But people need to remember that QB is a position where perfection is an aspiration, not a reality. However, if a guys isn't playing well, I think it's fair to address it. So I went back and compared Cousins' numbers through five games last year with his numbers this year. You can draw your own conclusions.

2010
Western Michigan (72 Total Defense): 13-21, 186 YDS, TD
Florida Atlantic (85 Total Defense): 9-17, 142 YDS, TD, INT
Notre Dame: (47 Total Defense): 23-33, 245 YDS, 2 TD, INT
Northern Colorado (FCS): 16-20, 290 YDS, 2 TD
Wisconsin (22 Total Defense): 20-29, 269 YDS, 3 TD, 2 INT

TOTAL (56.5 Average Total Defense): 81-120, 67.5%, 1132 YDS, 9 TD, 4 INT

2011
Youngstown State (FCS): 18-22, 222 YDS
Florida Atlantic (99 Total Defense): 16-21, 183 YDS, 2 TD
@ Notre Dame (31 Total Defense): 34-53, 329 YDS, TD, INT
Central Michigan (81 Total Defense): 13-22 YDS, TD, INT
@ Ohio State (13 Total Defense): 20-32, 250 YDS, TD, 2 INT

TOTAL (56 Average Total Defense): 101-149, 67.7%, 1197 YDS, 6 TD, 4 INT

Again, you can draw your own conclusions. But here are some of mine. Cousins is matching any reasonable expectations. People need to remember MSU lost Mark Dell, a four year starting receiver with down field potential, solid hands and great route running skills. Who did MSU replace him with? Well, no one. MSU is essentially relying on a slot/bubble-screen receiver (Martin) and a big bodied possession receiver (Nichol) to make up for a outside receiver. And it isn't working.

Did MSU lose anyone else? Yes. Charlie Gantt, another long time starter with unique pass catching and run blocking skills. Sure, they replaced him with a higher ceiling guy in Sims, but he hasn't played football in over 18 months. And Linthicum is Linthicum--average receiver and average blocker.

Did MSU lose anyone else? Yes. Bennie Fowler. Now this isn't nearly as big as the Dell and Gantt losses, but he was an emerging threat who brings outside receiver skills and big play ability. I would argue his loss for the passing game cost MSU three of its four best passing targets, although the difference between he and Martin's importance is probably negligible.

Are there any other issues affecting the passing game? Yes. First, MSU's run game is sputtering at this point. Without the serious threat of a run game, MSU will continue to see its play action calls struggle. Second, MSU is not only breaking in new offensive lineman, but they are dealing with an epidemic amount of attrition on the offensive line. On a positive note, they played better against OSU, but last year's line was better and more cohesive, which doesn't say much for this year's line thus far. Third, MSU is breaking in a new offensive coordinator, which cannot be understated. Clearly, Roushar is struggling to put the team in advantageous situations at times, and no one is more affected than Cousins, the leader of the offense. Fourth, MSU has played to solid defense on the road this year, unlike last year. If hostile crowds affect anything, it is the passing game. Add in solid defenses, littered with NFL talent, and you should expect a few bad decisions from your quarterback.

So add it up:
1. Losing three of your top four/five receiving targets (Dell, Gantt, Fowler)
2. Struggling run game.
3. New and injured offensive line.
4. New offensive coordinator.
5. Tough road games against very solid defense.

Yet, Kirk Cousins has essentially replicated his numbers.

Again, you can draw your own conclusions, but from a production standpoint, he seems to be carrying his load.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 14, 2011, 01:14:12 PM
Thunder

As always nice fact based post.

I will disagree on defensive back field for MSU
I think they look OK due to the fact that the DL and edge rush is very good.
Positioning is not good, possibly it is a effect of the high pressure, high number of bodies pressing the box.
i believe a good passing team will take advantage of these opportunities.
That being said I do not think UofM will be that team except on quick hits and broken plays

I agree MSU lost a ton of talent on OL and WR core.
That is why MSU is struggling.
Some of the throws are just unacceptable, I have no doubt that he is talented, just decision process if lacking.
Are those decisions based on poor line play certainly, but that is why I say for a 5th year Senior I expect more.
The game score and flow have a lot to do with timing of plays.
The teams referenced from last year and this year while looking similar in defensive standing in the numbers, are not equal. What were the teams these teams played, the offensive quality of who they played, situation in game, and were they play all come into review.
The sheer number of passes this year compared to last year tells an interesting story for MSU this year.

Thank You for the comments I am exactly backwards on your residence, that is what I get for being a sometimes poster and follower of this board.

By the way +1 on karma another well thought out post.
Wish I was as detailed on my posts, I am typically random thoughts as I type and reply.

See ya folks enjoy the games, I have a plane to catch if I am going to be back in time for trip to East Lansing
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on October 14, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Hi All...

Just wanted to get a couple of comments (albeit some are a little late) before the weekend action started.....
Last weeks Hope-Kalamazoo games was a fun environment to be in...I agree with formerd3db's comments, but will add in a little...my son tells me that the team noticed the crowds enthusiasm (and size) and the band is always a great addition to that (Lets please keep that as part of the festivities)...these things do make a difference to the players.....as far as the game itself, although the score was reasonably close (22-15) it easily could have been 29-8 had Hope punched it in with their 2 chances at the 1, and had they not fumbled the ball into the endzone for a Kalamazoo score.....it was a good game for Hope...a very big win....but kalamazoo also showed that they are capable of being a very good team and can beat some folks along the way...I know they are 0-2 at the moment, but are not playing like an 0-2 team and will get some big wins...I also was impressed with their freshman quarterback, who played the entire 2nd half...He trhew fairly well and ran for 65 yards......that bodes well for the future or if Jones can't go....They will be a factor this season....

This week is another BIG one for Hope (they all will be).....The next three games will be a big part of defining the season for them, but no single win or loss may decide the final league standings with as much partity (with all due respect to and fully acknowledging Adrians's record, ranking and deserved placement as the league favorites) ...how Hope's team deals with each opponent, one at a time, let go of 'last week', don't look forward to 'next week', and focus only on the opponent at had....continue to play with emotion and tenactiy, continue to get better defensively, and keep working on eliminating the offensive mistakes...Special teams was much better against Kalamazoo, but the offensive errors that occured in the game, may be cost us a win as the season moves forward......By doing those things, Hope can compete for the win this week, and still may play some sort of role in the outcome of who wins the league race...but, Albion is a good team (Don't let their record deceive you...they lost to some very good teams) so without that total commitment on all fronts, the Dutchmen can still lose to anyone in the league.....So, as I seem to say every week, it all comes down to the player's attitude and how they perform right from the beginning......We'll see what they chose to do....Go Hope! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 03:01:34 PM
D306 and FF:

First, good to hear from you D306 and glad you continue to post with us here on occasion.  I am also glad to hear that things are stable and improved for you and your extended family.  Truly, I have been keeping you in prayer for that and I'm sure others here have done so as well.

Yes, "ain't that the truth" about us former old athletes being, shall we say, less than eager to admit our talents are not the same as they were several years ago. ;D ;).  Like yours, my knees have been the occasional problem, although I will say (although not boasting here, so please no one misinterpret it that way) that I'm in better shape at this time than a great number of my former teammates and/or other guys my age.  While I can still give a good hit or two (legal hits, course, ;D) from my old db football days when playing lax with the young guys, I will admit that I have to succumb to the "old man's rule" when playing at the middie spot on occasion i.e. after the 3rd run back/forth up the field, you come off!!! Nonetheless, you and cave2 are right, one has to be careful at this stage of "the game" in our lives as I don't really want to have to have a knee or an achilles tendon repaired.

As for the U of Michigan game, you guys recall that I am a U of Mich fan since my father was an alum there (I went to many, many games as a kid with my parents when they had season tickets -dad used to know the ticket manager also - although my late parents gave their season tickets up years ago when my brother and I were both playing in college as they went to all of our games).  Anyway, I am obviously hoping that U of M wins, yet, I have a feeling that Michigan State will have the edge since they are at home, even though their offense hasn't played as well in of recent.  Regardless, I think it will be a classic tough U of M/MSU game.  I hope you guys enjoy it.

FF- also, indeed, I echo what D306 mentions about savoring everyminute about your son's collegiate playing career (just ask Uncle Rico and LIT - they can tell you the same also).  To this day, I and my brother have the greatest memories from our playing days and enjoy so much sharing those with and reminiscing with former teammates, college friends, family, etc. and reviewing the many (old ;D) photos, scrap books, momentos, etc. (and swapping stories) never gets boring.  So enjoy it.  I still remember the last time I walked off Adrian's former field with my mom in my senior year when we (Hope) played there - we had one game remaining and it was a special moment - a bit melancholy, knowing the end of a playing career was near, but still savoring every moment of the occasion.  While your son will obviously do that, even as a parent, you will do the same in so many ways.  Hey, what a great opportunity for yoy and him going to the U of M/MSU game during your "bye" week at Adrian.  Have a great time.  Perhaps see you in two weeks when we play Adrian then.


Again, all the best for a great weekend to you FF and D306 and our other colleagues here as well.

P.S. Let's all pray for "no rain". ;D :o :)     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 03:21:18 PM
Hopewatcher:
Well said, all inclusive re: last week and this week.  Also, setting the tone early for Hope tomorrow will be a key and then continuing "to the finish".  Albion is always so capable of a quick strike, even when they are behind.  They are so tough to play at their own home stadium, however, they are at ours as well, even though it is Homecoming for us.  We can't afford any letdowns.

BTW, D306, no problem about you still not being able to root for Albion.  Even though my brother's youngest son attends Michigan State (his oldest attended U of Mich like our dad as I mentioned), I still can't make myself root for Michigan State or get used to seeing my brother wear that athletic gear! ;D  It's even less attractive with an Alma College/Michigan State combo of athletic wear!!! ;D :o ::) :) :P  (I'll have my U of M T-shirt under my Hope gear tomorrow!

ThunderHead:
Good analysis, although I agee with D306 about Michigan State's defensive backfield - not playing up to their potential.  Average to me.  Now, we could say the same thing about about Michigan's secondary as they have been atrocious in past years and even begining of this year, although they have done better the past couple of weeks.  Yet, if Cousins and his receiving crew get back to what they've done in the past (even though they don't have the type of total talent in the receiving core that they've had the past 2-3 years or so), they will give Michigan some real trouble.  Also, while Cousins has put up his near usual numbers, IMO, he still has not played up to what he is capable of.  Passing accuracy has been off and part of this is because he is worried about getting smashed by the rush.  If he just plays beyond that mental attitude ("head game") which, obviously, is hard to do and easier said than done - i.e. easier for us "arm chair" QBs to say ;D - then, again, he and their offense will be pushing Michigan very hard.

Great posts all.  So good to see such enthusiastic and active posting on here this year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2011, 03:28:02 PM
UM vs msu

I think looking at rankings when comparing performance is a little misleading because those rankings aren't comparing teams with similiar schedules, especially this early in the season when most schools have not gotten in to the heart of their conference play yet.  If a team is ranked high in a particular aspect yet has played weak opponents, their rankings can be scewed accordingly.  A team could have mediocre rankings in a number of areas but if they played a very difficult schedule their ability might be better than rankings indicate.  A perfect example could be Michigan's overall rankings nationally right now.  I think they are way too high.

I think msu should win the game and probably will.   :-[   That said, I will be rooting enthusiastically for Michigan partially out of spite for all of my Lansing based in-laws that have made my life miserable the last three years.  My only relief has come from Michigan beating the spartans in basketball the last two games, and I am not betting the farm that trend will continue either.  I also believe that Michigan is on the right course towards turning the football program around and although it might not happen this year, I believe the future is brighter. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
I rather think you are right on all that Uncle Rico! :)  I, too, was glad to see Michigan finally win both of the basketball games last season against Michigan State (like it was in the "good old days" :D), however, I am apprehensive that might not be the case this year.  Anyway, if Michigan somehow beats Michigan State tomorrow at Spartan Stadium, you know they will have taken that one little next step to being a legit good team, although the still have some very tough games remaining, win or lose.

Any chance you'll be at the Hope/Trine game next week?  I'll be there, on my way back from a required conference in Chicago.  If you are, let me know - it would be great to visit and eat a hot dog at the half! (although, I promise I won't throw it like that guy did at Tiger Woods! ;D :o ::) :P :o :o :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2011, 03:47:43 PM
Yes, LIT and I should be there next weekend.  We will have the Thunder Bus (a converted airport shuttle bus) and even if the weather is foul we will have some good shelter for tailgaiting and such.  Hope to see you there!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 14, 2011, 03:54:02 PM
UR - I think you're correct with your thoughts on early season rankings based on the body of work.

But a guy I was at work with said "MSU only beats UofM when U of M is down". I'm sick of the excuse by Michigan fans that "State can only beat Michigan when they're down". Let's look at the numbers.

Comparing final season records for each school in years that they played each other, here are the facts:

There have been only 8 games where both teams have finished the season with a Winning % of at least .667, or 2/3rds of their games. Of those 8 games, MSU has won 5.

There have been 22 games where both teams have finished the season with a Winning % of at least .600. The series is 12-9-1 in favor of UofM.

The most telling though is in the years in which both teams went to bowl games, 15 times, MSU edges out UofM 8-7 in the head-to-head match-up.

The media is quick to mention and down play MSU's #1 defensive ranking due to their early season schedule, but have no problem extolling the virtues of UM's offense when they have played relatively a comparable weak group of opponents.

MSU's defensive performance against OSU should be just as note worthy as UM's offensive output against ND, considering how the OSU offense performed against Nebraska.

As for my thoughts on the MSU defensive backfield, they're a very young group aside from Trenton Robinson, however I believe they have a distinct advantage over the U of M receiver core. Either way I think it will be a good game, but ultimately I see Michigan State winning by 10. At some point I think Michigan will put together a quick score or two, and when MSU weathers that storm, and knocks Denard around a bit, while also having some fun with Gardner, it will be Sparty time in EL. I also think Cousins will be pin point Saturday.  ;)

Also, I really like the fact UM is 1st in takaways and Giveaways. That means that they're just as TO prone as the past few years, but are falling on more loose balls (12 fumble recoveries in 6 games/ 10 in the 5 that count in the NCAA, vs. 5 (unofficial)/4 (official) INTS).

The fumble recoveries are completely random. It's unlikely that UM will continue picking up 2 fumble recoveries per game. If that # falls off, look for their TO margin to drop drastically.

Keep in mind that despite leading the B1G in takaways, they're tied with MSU for TO Margin (+.60). MSU does a much better job of protecting the ball than UM does, and I like MSU's chances of winning the TO battle, and the game.

I also have been hearing "well Michigan just didn't get good recruits with Rich Rod, which is why we didn't win." Really?

2007 = #12 (MSU #42)
2008 = #10 (MSU #47)
2009 = #8 (MSU #17)
2010 = #20 (MSU #30)
2011 = #21 (MSU #31)

But alas, we shall see tomorrow. One thing I know, EL will be rockin, and I can't wait to join the party.  8-)

PS - wait till you see the game field in EL Saturday....  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 14, 2011, 06:35:08 PM

Major fundraising announcement from Hope, more construction on the way.

http://cms.hope.edu/pr/pressreleases/content/view/full/31827

I think I counted 5 separate construction projects.  Included is endowments for athletic facilities maintenance but makes no mention of Holland Municipal Stadium.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2011, 07:44:49 PM
TH...

I am not going to try to justify your guy at works argument that "msu only beats Michigan when Michigan is down" because I think that is silly.  With the exception of the last three years with state winning, usually when msu does win it is an upset because usually Michigan is favored, so I disagree totally with that person at works premise. 

And I do not see all the praise being heaped on Michigan's offense that you see.  On the contrary, I see more of the same concern that the running game is still questionable and the O still relies too much on Denard's legs.

The bottom line is that over the course of the long haul, Michigan has been a better football program than msu.  However, state has certainly had the upper hand recently and it is what it is.  Since you like to find stats to support your points, I offer this...

"Michigan currently holds the series record at 67-31-5. MSU's period of dominance in the series' history was from 1950 to 1969, where they went 14-4-2. The Wolverines hold long winning streaks of six (2002-2007), eight (1970-77), and 10 games (1938-49), and an 18-game unbeaten streak from 1916 to 1933, in series history. The MSU Spartans also have won the past three meetings in 2008 thru 2010."

Not counting all the games prior to my existence, Michigan has still had the upper hand over the course of my lifetime, which includes the six game and eight game winning streaks.

For too long it seemed as if the highlight of a spartan season is beating Michigan regardless of anything else.  Of course, that is turning around some now that state has handed it to Michigan.  Bottom line for me is that I would like to see both schools excel, and may the best team win between the two (hopefully Michigan), and have them BOTH beat the snot out of Ohio State!  :)   

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 14, 2011, 08:12:46 PM
UR

Good points. I think perhaps I hear a lot about Michigan and how great they are because I'm now in Michigan and on the west side, where the media seems to have a direct link to the "blue wall" over in AA.  Aside from that most people around here are BIG Michigan fans, and incredibly arrogant.

And now the vent:

They show absolutely no humility, even in defeat. They cling to "slightly misleading" records like "the winningest college football program" that were built on counting wins over teams like The Detroit Athletic Club and Ann Arbor High School. I'm not impressed that your 1800s football team beat the Chicago Physicians and Surgeons, and I'm even less impressed that they try to manufacture a storied history out of it. "All of our undefeated seasons..."(ei. the 1880 "undefeated" season in which they only played one game going 1-0 and beating Toronto - or the 1884 season where they went "undefeated" again, this time 2-0 beating Albion and Chicago University Club - or the 1898 season where they went undefeated playing teams like Western Reserve, Kenyon, Beloit, and Chicago)

U of M has won exactly one "shared" NT since WW2, but most fans act as if Michigan is continually a national power. They are not Florida, Ohio State, USC, or Texas. They act as if MSU and OSU are beneath them, despite recent records that indicate anything but.

While there is no denying UofM has had great runs, and definitely had MSU's number for long periods of time in recent years, I think the Michigan fans, at least around me, seem to be un-realistic with exactly how "great" their football program is, and to some degree are pretty delusional about where their football program is going.

While I'm sure Brady Hoke will restore a level of credibility to the program, Rich Rods programs went 4-0, and 5-0, to start seasons in the past, yet for some reason, this season's 6-0 is "more legitimate" even through U of M's strength of schedule is far less then impressive thus far.

So - while I think tomorrow is going to be a good game, I'm not sure Michigan is where it's fan base thinks it's at. I guess these Michigan fans are getting to me, Go Green!!! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2011, 08:59:23 PM
TH...I agree with you more than you think.  Michigan is NOT on the same level as some of the teams you mentioned.  And to be quite frank, I am not sure how easy it would be to get there when you look at the talent pool in the regions down south and even in Ohio.  And the attraction of schools in areas out west are certainly hard to overcome.  As much as I love the state of Michigan, it "aint" always pretty weather wise come late January, February, etc...  Although the fall is nice.  Some have ripped Michigan for not getting enough in-state recruits, but I think it is also fair to say that to get by with strictly Michigan kids would be tough if you want to compete nationally.

The other point is that although Michigan has not been squeaky clean, a few of the programs that have been more successful have also been slapped with some MAJOR violations.  I am not naive enough to think that Michigan (or state) is perfect, but to date they have not been nailed with the type of transgressions that some of those big time programs have in football.  I also give credit to Dantonio too for not falling into that trap, and I would rather see Michigan AND state run clean programs and still manage to win.  I was not a Rich Rod fan from the beginning...I did not like the way he came over and I did not like some of the things that came out.  I think it is increasingly hard to be successful and do it cleanly.

The thing about Michigan is that they used to show long term consistancy as opposed to sharp rises and declines.  You used to be able to count on at least a pretty decent season every year.  No so for the last three years.  I think that is one of the reasons the fan base grew as large as it is..some level on consistancy.  Even if they weren't going to win it all, you could count on them making a pretty good show for themselves in the past.  Even the year they lost to Appalacian State, they turned it around slightly in the end and at least beat Urban Meyer and Florida to send Lloyd off on a winning note.  I think that is why people are fired up about Hoke because he is more of a link to the "better days" than the past regime.  And I think that he is attracting more of the kids from a recruiting perspective because he is more of a link to the past.  Even if the past is not as storied as some programs, it isn't all that bad.

With the fan base as large as it is, you are bound to get more rabid fans based on the sheer numbers.  And you are likely to draw more media attention.  That is just the reality.  With more fans, just based on sheer numbers, you are more likely to hear from ALL kinds with all sorts of opinions.  It is not right to lump all fans together just because of a few crackpots.

I think you are caught up listening to the vocal minority of Michigan fans who think that this year will be a title run type season.  Most sensible fans (not as vocal) aren't too caught up in the hype and realize that the high ranking has really not been earned.  There is hopeful optimism, for sure, but if you talk to most Michigan believers they still feel there is a long long way to go.  Even on this board if you notice some of the Michigan faithful want a win but the expectations are more grounded.

Long term, I do hope that Michigan gets to the level of national powerhouse.  And believe it or not, I would also like to see MSU get there too.  Wouldn't that be an awesome thing for the state, and the rivalry?  I think that is quite a task based on all the challenges, but it is something to strive for.  Will they get there with Hoke?  Who knows?  But I do like the Blue gatorade as has been pointed out in the past.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 14, 2011, 09:17:34 PM
UR,

I do make mention of the blue Gatorade quite frequently don't I?  ;)

I know a few guys who played for Michigan, and most of them are very reasonable, very humble people. However the  Michigan fans that I have met that are, well "obnoxious" have definitely not been in the "minority", but rather the "majority". And sadly, this group includes at least one family member.  ::) I suppose that comes with the consistency they have had and yet, the issue I have is isn't with the chest beating after wins, it's the mere fact they (the Michigan fans I know through work, family, friends, and church) don't handle losing with the slightest bit of grace.

IMO Michigan isn't what it was, everyone now has media, every major program I've been a part of has had a rabid fan base full of die-hards. MSU has a strong following in my opinion, and doesn't need to take a back seat to Michigan, nor does Ohio State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Penn State, Iowa or even Illinois to name a few. (and that's just in the B1G) As a matter of fact, as far as tailgating and pre-game atmosphere goes, Michigan lacks plenty compared to other programs in that named group. (does anything beat Camp Randell in the fall?)

Anyway - I'm excited for tomorrow. And as always UR, I enjoy the conversation. I hope you have safe travels up to Alma if you're going, if not, I hope you have a great weekend, along with the rest of you guys.  :)

wojo chimes in: http://detnews.com/article/20111014/OPINION03/110140359
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 09:34:25 PM
TH and UR:

I'm not sure I should (or want to :o) get into the middle of your Michigan/Michigan State discussion, but... ;)  I will just relate a couple of opinions:  a) I certainly was not a Rich Rod fan either and that was one of the worst/lowest points in Michigan football history in many aspects, including integrity as to how that all came down in the first place - most of which was his fault; b) as far as your relation about the historic Michigan football history, I would disagree with you in that you are overlooking the fact that in all those early years, almost all the teams played not-so-talented teams so everyone was pretty much in the same "boat" so to speak. You forget that Yost's U of Michigan teams in 1901-1902, i.e. the "point a minute" teams were among the best ever; A.A. Stagg's teams in the late '90's, early 1990's were emerging as powerful teams as well in the overall comparison; heck, even Alma College beat Michigan State 18-16 in 1896 and tied them as well 0-0, so comparison of all these teams back then whether today's small colleges or those that went on to become the big teams of today is all relative (heck, even Albion College beat and tied Notre Dame during the pre-turn of the century stretch) - I should know this since I've researched and published on "this stuff" for a long time and that is not meant as being arrogant ;D ;) :)); c) unfortunately, you "can't throw the stones" at Michigan fans entirely either because just as many Michigan State fans have been as arrogant and flippant and jealous over the years because of Michigan's dominance over Michigan State in football overall (after the 1966 national championship MSU era) and basketball overall until the last decade (i.e. Cazzie Russell era and then beyond) and furthermore, unfortunately, Michigan State has not actually handled many of their athletic and coaching situations, disciplinary aspects with class it is sad to say either - there are many examples I could cite about this dating from the Perles years to, yes, including Dantonio of recent but I won't (again, you are correct about some of the U of Michigan slip-ups of recent, however, Schembechler  and Carr put up with none of that; nor did Daugherty and Munn, atthough I think all of us would agree those were entirely different times in the college football world than we have now in almost all aspects and that is without question the fault of "society" by some people).

At any rate, as much as I am a die-hard Michigan fan, I am not so nieve as to "jump on the band" wagon like so many of their/fans appear to be doing.  Hoke is running an above-board program so far, has injected great hope and enthusiasm and they are steadily improving. However, anyone who thinks they are going to "steamroll this season" is simply not realistic.  Obviously, as we have all said, tomorrow's game will be a big test for Michigan, yet it will also be for Michigan State as well because neither team is as good as some people seem to think they are. ;D :o :o ;)  So as you have said, may the best team win tomorrow - the one who plays steady, doesn't lose their "cool", makes the least mistakes and "finishes". :)  Just MO, friends. :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 09:50:32 PM
TH:
I guess I'm in that "minority" of Michigan fans you mention. ;D  I have known quite a few Michigan State fans of the "majority" you are talking about over the years. ::) ;)

sac:
Indeed, I saw that announcement earlier today as well and viewed the brochures online about it. No doubt those brochures will be available on campus at the various events and the game as well.  While those aspects and buildings are very well needed, like you, I am still kind of shocked (and disappointed) that they have not designated and/or offered to the City any of that $ to go to "fix the stadium" and put the turf in there as well as the practice fields.  Yet, again, perhaps that is just why i.e. because of the City's involvement in owning the stadium.  IMO, Hope has simply got to do this sometime soon as, unfortunately, it can't be denied that we will now be at the bottom of the MIAA as far as football facilities are concerned (although please do not think that I am not appreciative of the stadium that we have because we all know there are some schools that would "give almost anything" to have what we have). However, as we've all discussed in the past here, there are high schools that have better football stadiums that we do and...moreover, it comes down to the safety issues with regards to the turf when it gets in bad shape by mid-season and beyond (we have been lucky so far this year, however, if it rains tomorrow, "look out!" as that may be another story.  Also, perhaps it will take an independent group to propose a fund raising campaign for that, although not sure which other alumni will be able to do that.  It must be nice to have alumni couples (on the Board of Trustees) who have an extra $10 million laying around to donate, as was mentioned, unfortunately, I'm not one of them nor ever will be. :'( ;D  Moreover, I thought that the recent fundraising campaign which led to the buidling of DeVos, the new Science Center, the new Martha Communincations Center as well as the renovation of all the dormatories (such as Kollen, Durfee, Phelps, Gilmore/Dykstra, etc.) with new windows, doors, security, etc., was the largest ever campaign even more than this one.  I would have to go back and look at that literature, however, I thought it was in the 225+million range, although I could be wrong. 

Anyway, it also is without question that it is a great and well deserved tribute to President (Coach) Bultman and his wife Martie that the new student center be named in their honor - their love, commitment and service to the College from their own student days, faculty days and to the present is nicely summarized in the new brochure for this campaign.  Like recently retired Coach Ray Smith and his wife Sue, Coach Bultman and his wife Martie will always have a special place in my heart because they, too, were so wonderful in many ways including faith and teaching life's lessions to not only me, but our daughters as well when they attended Hope (just like they are to all the students) as well as that Coach Bultman was my defensive back coach for four years.  They will be missed after this year, however, it will be a well deserved change for them to enjoy the next chapter in their life for themselves.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 14, 2011, 10:04:16 PM
formerd3db,

You may very well be in the minority... ;) and I'm not saying MSU fan's are better, but as a whole, I've found them more level headed. So I wasn't throwing stones, and much as reacting to the large group of Michigan fans I know. (believe it or not I'm not a Spartan fan, I Boiler up - as painful as it is. ;D)

Anyway - the reality is your right regarding the early 1900's and how everyone played programs that are now not on the same level, however no other program acts as if those games mattered more then Michigan fans do. (common formerd3db, you know this to be true.  :) )

As for the game, I think MSU will win Saturday because I think MSU is the better program right now. And as for disciplinary issues, you're exactly right, it was a different time back when Bo and Duffy roamed the sideline. (media, internet, ect...) However sometime over a few drinks, I'll have to tell you some of things that your boy Bo "over looked" and in some cases "covered up" in AA. It far trumps anything MD or RR allowed in their time. That's not to shed a bad light on Bo, because I have a lot of respect for Bo, it's just that I think there was plenty that happened under his watch that simply wasn't reported and in some cases, prevented from being reported, and unlike today, that was possible.

It's true that MSU has it's bozo's, but Michigan is far from exempt.  ;)

Have a safe trips people... :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 14, 2011, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 09:50:32 PM
TH:
I guess I'm in that "minority" of Michigan fans you mention. ;D  I have known quite a few Michigan State fans of the "majority" you are talking about over the years. ::) ;)

sac:
Indeed, I saw that announcement earlier today as well and viewed the brochures online about it. No doubt those brochures will be available on campus at the various events and the game as well.  While those aspects and buildings are very well needed, like you, I am still kind of shocked (and disappointed) that they have not designated and/or offered to the City any of that $ to go to "fix the stadium" and put the turf in there as well as the practice fields.  Yet, again, perhaps that is just why i.e. because of the City's involvement in owning the stadium.  IMO, Hope has simply got to do this sometime soon as, unfortunately, it can't be denied that we will now be at the bottom of the MIAA as far as football facilities are concerned (although please do not think that I am not appreciative of the stadium that we have because we all know there are some schools that would "give almost anything" to have what we have). However, as we've all discussed in the past here, there are high schools that have better football stadiums that we do and...moreover, it comes down to the safety issues with regards to the turf when it gets in bad shape by mid-season and beyond (we have been lucky so far this year, however, if it rains tomorrow, "look out!" as that may be another story.  Also, perhaps it will take an independent group to propose a fund raising campaign for that, although not sure which other alumni will be able to do that.  It must be nice to have alumni couples (on the Board of Trustees) who have an extra $10 million laying around to donate, as was mentioned, unfortunately, I'm not one of them nor ever will be. :'( ;D  Moreover, I thought that the recent fundraising campaign which led to the buidling of DeVos, the new Science Center, the new Martha Communincations Center as well as the renovation of all the dormatories (such as Kollen, Durfee, Phelps, Gilmore/Dykstra, etc.) with new windows, doors, security, etc., was the largest ever campaign even more than this one.  I would have to go back and look at that literature, however, I thought it was in the 225+million range, although I could be wrong. 

Anyway, it also is without question that it is a great and well deserved tribute to President (Coach) Bultman and his wife Martie that the new student center be named in their honor - their love, commitment and service to the College from their own student days, faculty days and to the present is nicely summarized in the new brochure for this campaign.  Like recently retired Coach Ray Smith and his wife Sue, Coach Bultman and his wife Martie will always have a special place in my heart because they, too, were so wonderful in many ways including faith and teaching life's lessions to not only me, but our daughters as well when they attended Hope (just like they are to all the students) as well as that Coach Bultman was my defensive back coach for four years.  They will be missed after this year, however, it will be a well deserved change for them to enjoy the next chapter in their life for themselves.   
I have to agree with you here.  The one game that we played at Hope, it had rained all week and the high school team had played there and it was dangerous and I would think an embarrassment to the school.  The only other what that was as bad was Kzoo, and they are changing that.  But then, I am spoiled with the turf and chairback seating with drink holders, but before that, Adrian played at the high school.  Not sure how they got recruits then but I do know the stadium and work out facilities were a big draw for my son.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 14, 2011, 10:45:23 PM
formerd3db:

I have to admit to being confused by this latest fundraising effort.  For one, a couple of these projects are well under way.  Second, it says they've already raised $130 million+, which doesn't make sense for a supposedly "new" fundraising effort.

The previous effort "Hope Legacies" or something in a similar catchy phrase raised a little over $150  million and was used to construct the Martha Miller Center, the science expansion, a new residence hall and renovations to others.  I believe much of the money for DeVos Fieldhouse and Van Andel Soccer Stadium also went into this fund.


Its another ambitious campaign and again is a reminder of just how much the campus has changed in a physical sense since I graduated.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 11:06:16 PM
TH:

Not to "beat dead horse" here because I think both of us along with our colleagues here have all made our points/opinions known on all this topic of dicussion.  :)  So I will make one more (last  ??? :o) comment on this.  I don't doubt at all that there were some things overlooked by Schembechler during his time.  However, what I'm talking about is the known aspects that were without question overlooked by Perles and, yes, even Dantonio of recent and that is egegregious without question - no one can deny that if they are truthful.  You or anyone can say attempt to slough it off as "opinion of the coach" as to how he handled a certain situation, however, the ones I'm referring to should have been handled one way and one way only and that was certainly not the way those were handled.  For sure, I would look forward to a time when we could share/swap stories over a beverage with you and simply have fun talking football, coaching and history. :)  Also, I would agree with you that, for the most part, Michigan fans (and perhaps some college football fans) indeed see Michigan's storied program as among the greatest overall from that early historical standpoint, however, they should because they simply won more games than the other programs back in that day regardless of who played who.  Perhaps some Yale, Harvard, Columbia and Heisman's 1898 Oberlin team might disagree about that, but...to each his own ;D :o.  Regardless, have a great time at the game tomorrow.  I'll be listening for the score updates while we are playing the bad Britons from Albion!

FF:
Yes, I agree with you also - that field was an embarrassment, but also very, very dangerous.  Although I remember when we played at Trine the last season before they put the turf in - it was horrible not only on that field, but the sidelines as well.  They put down some rubberized/canvas long runner tarps on the sidelines, but it was so soggy and muddy that even with that, we were sinking down a foot into the mush through that!

Also, Adrian's stadium that they shared with Adrian High School i.e. Maple Stadium (nickname of the high school) was actually a very nice stadium.  I loved the "bowl affect" atmoshphere of the permanent concret stands built right into the hill (like Hope's is now) and once they replaced the press box with a new, enlarged one, it was even nicer.  The only drawback was, of course the locker rooms being in the elementary school end at the west side of part of the parking lot and thus having to walk from there to the stadium and also the fact that the stadium was about 3 miles from the campus making it very inconvenient for the students.  So when Adrian College decided to return to an on-campus stadium after more than 40+ years, that was great.  As you know, it is a very nice stadium, great permanent seating and does have that "bowl shape" and atmosphere.  It fits in nicely with their entire new athletic complex next to the "M" Center and, of course, their on-campus ice hockey arena.  The only thing I personally thought would have been an even neater aspect was if they could have put the stadium back where the original old field was from the turn of the century and through the 1940's-early '60s next to their old gym (which is their art center now I believe), however, that was simply impossible because of buildings now occupying that area as well as the fact that even if those buildings were not there, it would have been stupid not to put the stadium where it is now in conjunction with the new athletic complex area.  Anyway, for sure, those new facilities have been a huge boost for Adrian in recruiting and overall enrollment such as for your son as you have mentioned and which was part of the reason why it was done that way in the first place, aside from the fact that the facilities upgrade simply need to be done.  As many have said here and on other boards...the sign of the times requires that colleges, even at our DIII level have to "keep up with the Jones". :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 14, 2011, 11:15:44 PM
FormerD3db,

Now don't go overlooking grace. I rarely have a problem with how coaches handle things regarding displine. I know the MSU situations you're probably speaking off, and although some programs may handle them differently, I have no issue with how Coach D handled his business. I thought perhaps the opposite of you, I thought it spoke to his character as Coach, and in many ways, you'd have know the entire situation and the athletes involved along with their families I think to have a good grasp of why certain decisions were made. Keep in mind Coach D had the full blessings of the AD's office, the Presidents office, and the Players Leaders Group, but I guess I'll leave it at that in the interest of the turning to the game tomorrow.  ;)

And as for Michigan fans having a right to brag because they won more games back when no one cared, well - I suppose, to each his own. :) I care more about the hear and now. So do most recruits.  :) Then again, if I had Michigan's record the last 3 years, I'd be screaming for the 1800's with 1-0, or 2-0 undefeated seasons too, back when none of us were alive, and everyone who played the game(s) is no longer walking the earth.  ??? ::) :P And I'm definitely not one of those guys who thinks all that much of Michigan's "storied" program. Like the winged helmet, a lot of it is fairly "over done". (http://www.spartanjerseys.com/michigan-state-football-jersey-helmet/winged-helmet/)

On a serious note thought, have a great time in Brit Country. I hope that Hope plays them well.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: sac on October 14, 2011, 10:45:23 PM
formerd3db:

I have to admit to being confused by this latest fundraising effort.  For one, a couple of these projects are well under way.  Second, it says they've already raised $130 million+, which doesn't make sense for a supposedly "new" fundraising effort.

The previous effort "Hope Legacies" or something in a similar catchy phrase raised a little over $150  million and was used to construct the Martha Miller Center, the science expansion, a new residence hall and renovations to others.  I believe much of the money for DeVos Fieldhouse and Van Andel Soccer Stadium also went into this fund.


Its another ambitious campaign and again is a reminder of just how much the campus has changed in a physical sense since I graduated.

sac:

You said it much better than I.  I agree with you as well that I was somewhat confused and surprised at this new fundraising effort as well.  First, as you mentioned, the Legacy campaign raised over $150 million and that the DeVos and VanAndel contributions to that actually put it over the $200 million range as I was alluding to as I recall.  Secondly, while I had heard from reliable college sources last year that a new music hall was in the works, I must admit I was somewhat surprised also at these other projects.  Certainly the new student center in honor of the Bultman's is needed and, again, an appropriate tribute, as much of the DeWitt Center has been, by necessity, taken over by the administration due to the loss of old Van Raalte as was mentioned in the new campaign brochure.  And that is fine as DeWitt is a great building for that.  Yet, I also now wonder if they will keep the theatre there - you and I know, although others may not that Hope owns the old thetre downtown just two short blocks away where the theatrical offices are along with classrooms - and also since there apparently is going to be a small auditorium/theatre in the new Bultman Student Center.  Third, I was very surprised that there are no current plans in this project for an additional dorm - which, IMO, is badly needed in view of the College's current enrollment (which they want to keep at this level and which I think they should).  I personally think they should build a new dorm similar to that of College East behind the now "old" Dow Athetic/Intramural Center and call it College West and locate it right across the street from the Martha Miller Communications Building where the Holland City Skate/Roller Park is/was (I believe that the City of Holland was swapping that parcel with the College for another land parcel, although that may have been put on hold - I'm not exactly sure). 

Also, and this might seem a strange thought to some people, yet I can't help but now feel that a building such as the Maas Center, which is connected to Phelps Hall and the main cafeteria is now somewhat obsolete, once the student center gets built.  I may be old fashioned, but I was so disappointed when they put that there in the first place as they tore down one of the old historic houses on campus (the old Knickerbacher Fraternity House), which IMO should have/could have been restored for the same purpose.  While Maas was made possible by a $ gift from that family of alums with a very successful business and who contributed heavily in many ways to the DeWitt Center, still making a "modern" building for the sake of upgrading to modern, was IMO, not what I wanted to see.  The old Knich house could have been renovated for the same purposes.  However, alas, the College administration at that time believed they had already preserved enough of Hope's important historical buildings such as Vorheeves, VanVlect (and the plans eventually for Graves) saying at that time (as I recall)..."you can't save them all".  Of course, the loss of historic VanRaalte is another story for another time. ;D

Regardless, as you and I have alluded to, I think the College really needs to come to a comprimise with the City and resolve the football stadium issue.  However, my "gut feeling" is that they will continue to put this on the "backburner" i.e. on hold, now that they've announced and decided to go forth with this huge new construction campaign.  And just when I almost thought...Hope's campus now is up-to-date and has everything it needs for awhile. ;D

Anyway, my apologies to our colleagues here for this tangent non-football conversation, although it somewhat qualifies in regards to the stadium issues we've discussed and...besides, it is Friday night and why not add this to the discussion in addition to football?  What else would all you guys be (or want to be) doing on a Friday night like this? ??? ::) :o ;D ;D :D ;) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 11:44:28 PM
TH:

Well, I guess I will just have to disagree with you with regards to some of those recent situations at MSU that you mention.  I am a lot closer to that situation than you might know and I do know some of the specific details of those.  I am all for grace for sure, however, there comes a time when one has to be held accountable for their actions and, IMO, those players involved were given one too many chances i.e. more than their fair share of grace.  Family situations and backgrounds can only be used as contributory factors so much and I personally do not agree with using that as an excuse for everything.  Being a former coach at the DI level, you know that is true at many programs and, I'm sorry, but there is simply no excuse for that.  I don't care how poor a background some kid comes from, the bottom line is when they get to college, they know and are informed what the rules are and what is right and wrong and they really know the difference.  So when they blatently continue to make the wrong choices regardless of who influences them, IMO, there is no excuse, no excuse.  One chance, okay, break it a second time knowingly, you should forfeit your privileges - period.  Also, this same applies to the Floyd/Kelly situation at ND, IMO.  Okay, so I will step down from the attempted "soap box" now. ;D

Anyway, thanks for the well-wishes for tomorrow.  We will need all the help we can get (and give ourselves!). Indeed, I'm hoping for a Hope victory tomorrow! Unfortunately, I might now be late for the start of the game as I was just informed this evening that a very dear friend of my late parents, and one who I was very close to, passed away yesterday, so I must (by my own choice) attend the funeral tomorrow AM, then "blast over" to the game.  I will not be able to now play in the Alumni Lacrosse Game before the football game, but...there are other more important things in life as we all know.  Later, friend and I wish you too, as well as all our other colleagues here all have a great day tomorrow what ever game you are at.  Safe travels.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 12:14:21 AM
FormerD3db,

I'm not doubting your closeness to the MSU situation, and yes, I suppose as a former coach I have a skewed view. However I also fundamentally believe that people have different paradigms and that plays a big role in things regarding the decisions young men make. Just because you arrive at college and are told the "rules" doesn't mean you can erase 17 years of up-bringing. What's sad to me is that sometimes guys get themselves into trouble and people are more willing to dump them then help them. I'm not saying that's your view, nor am I saying that at some point you don't have to get ultra serious about consequences, but as for limited grace, well - I think we can both agree that if a certain creator that some schools were built around used the limited grace theory with His people, we'd all be in real trouble.  ;) At least I would. ;D  So while I am sure you did a great job with your son, not everyone is lucky enough to have great fathers, or even men who care much about them beyond their football ability. IMO I would rather have a coach error on the side of staying in a kids life (mentoring), and keeping football in a kids life (teaching tool), then not.

I mean the reality is, by taking football away from these guys, at first or second attempt, you loose accountability with the kid you recruited. And as fans, what do we care? I mean really, if Coaches kick guys off teams and they are now "out of football, and often out school" do we feel better? Do we become happy the kid is now out on the streets and off the team? Does that somehow make us feel like justice was served? As if "that will teach him"? Do we point at him and tell our sons "see, this what happens when you break the law, team rules, ect..."

The reality is we don't care all that much about the 90 student non-accident causing DUI's that will probably take place in EL this weekend, UNLESS one of them is a football player. Now it's news. Now we want "justice". Kick him off the team and we all feel better...and yet, what does that do? Make you feel like your program is "disciplined"?  Do you really think that's in the best interest of the kid?

Okay - now I'll step off my soap box.  :) ;) ;) ;D :D 8-) I just don't believe you give up on people. I'm not saying you agree with "giving up on people" and I totally see your side of it Formerd3db, and I know a lot of people see it that way, and yet - we'll just have to agree to disagree, as you said.  8-)

Safe travels, and I'm very sorry to hear about your friend. Prayers to his loved ones.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:22:17 AM
There seems to be a fine line between grace and enabling.  One of the challenges of coaching is determining where that line is and how to apply it.

They have to be teachers as well as coaches.  The X's and O's.  Recruiting.  Overseeing 100+ college age kids.  The pressure to win.  The fans and the critics.  The long hours.  Balance that with a family at home.   What a life!  :)   Ya gotta love it or you won't last long!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 14, 2011, 11:06:16 PM
TH:
For sure, I would look forward to a time when we could share/swap stories over a beverage with you and simply have fun talking football, coaching and history. :)

At the ThunderBus, Trine University, before...at the half...or after the Hope game Saturday, Oct 22nd.  I am sure Let it Rain will be there, and might even be able to round up some other forum members if they are willing to reveal their secret identities.  :D 

 

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 15, 2011, 11:17:30 AM
Wind could be a major factor in Alma's passing game today
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on October 15, 2011, 11:34:26 AM
Good Morning to all...Its a great day for football in West Michigan (although a 'little' windy  ;) :P :-\ )....
I don't think there is any disagreement from anyone, including the Hope Administration, Community, certainly the football staff and players that changes must take place to Municipal Stadium...the current playing field is in tough condition, even when it is dry...the grounds crew does the best they can, but are fighting an uphill battle...and, although there were some improvements made last summer, the practice field is not the best either.....and I think everybody would have liked to include improvements as part of the Greater Hope campaign, but there are some logisitcs issues still being worked through that may have messed up the deal with a premature announcement....As has been stated here before a joint committee of the City of Holland, Hope College, and Holland Public Schools to look at improvements and long term management of the facility has been formed and is working.....The Stadium is City owned, but used by Hope & Holland HS for games...as I understand it, this is some kind of a rental agreement.....and that works OK from a legal standpoint...the problem comes with the improvements.....and how to financially pull them off.....apparantly there are laws/rules restricting the use of public funds to support a non-public/religious institution, plus some rules around co-mingling public and private funds that need to be worked through. I'm told that the lawyers and accountants are actively working on it, but have not worked out all of the details.....I guess it seems like this part should be fairly easy as it appears to have been done before, but some things are holding it up...I really believe there is a desire on the part of all of the parties to get it done (I've heard it can still get fully or partially done for next season), but the details have to get worked out first...but, it is not due to a lack of desire or effort......We're really hoping for next year.......It'll be good for Hope College, Holland Public Schools, the football program, and the community...plus it is a neccessary part of staying cometitive and proving a safe playing environment going forward.......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 04:20:29 PM
Missed most of this game watching the Michigan game.  Trine wins 26-0.  Sounds like defense played well.   Hargraves 10-14 with 2 TD's and 0 ints.  Trine rushed for 263 yards.  Heard Biller and Brown were out but need to confirm.   Trine turned 4 turnovers into 4 TD's.

Olivet leads K-Zoo 14-10 with 10 minutes left. 

Disappointing performance for Michigan.  Wonder if they would have been better off with Gardner in the whole time.  Denard made some bad throws.  But Gardner missed a couple open receivers too.  Sigh....wait till next year! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 15, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
Yes, Biller and Brown were "officially" scratched about 30 mins before kickoff when starting lineups were turned in.

Alma offensively had 7 dropped passes. Trine's rushing game was good, mixed up their looks, Hagraves was also able to find open reeivers when he needed to.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 04:35:01 PM
Player of game was Jerod Barton with 22 carries 146 yards.  Extra point blocked.  Alma stopped twice with 4th and goal.  263 yards rushing for Trine.  Alma ran for 56.  Biller did not play due to injury.  Hargraves 10-14 for 75 yards and no INT's.  O line gave up only one sack.  Coyle and Benner gave high praise for the O line.  No sacks by the Thunder but forced 4 turnovers. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 04:36:44 PM
VERY disappointing outcome in East Lansing.  The zebras had already stolen the game (the fumble that wasn't and the ridiculous spot that prevented 1st and goal) before Denard threw it away.

What shocked me was what a dirty team MSU was - 5 or 6 personal fouls, including one where the rules say Gholston should have been ejected (threw a punch; Gholston also had a late hit on Denard after which he grabbed his facemask and twisted his helmet completely around), and another PF that knocked Denard out of the game.  Altogether, 13 penalties for 124 yards! >:(

I'll now shut up until MIAA game discussion subsides! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 15, 2011, 04:36:59 PM
STREAK IS OVER! OLIVET WINS!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2011, 05:12:49 PM
Trine 26, Alma 0
Albion 12, Hope 3
Olivet 14, Kalamazoo 10

No word on Adrian, but with this wind......it was probably a tie.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2011, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 04:36:44 PM
VERY disappointing outcome in East Lansing.  The zebras had already stolen the game (the fumble that wasn't and the ridiculous spot that prevented 1st and goal) before Denard threw it away.


no offense chuck but come on man. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 05:36:55 PM
Quote from: sac on October 15, 2011, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 04:36:44 PM
VERY disappointing outcome in East Lansing.  The zebras had already stolen the game (the fumble that wasn't and the ridiculous spot that prevented 1st and goal) before Denard threw it away.


no offense chuck but come on man. ::)

I'm not saying Michigan played well enough to deserve a win, but those two plays just might have cost them any chance.  Cousins clearly threw BACK to a player who dropped the ball - a lateral and a fumble, NOT the incomplete pass the refs called it.  But since a ref blew his whistle before Michigan picked up the ball, the play stood as called.  MSU scored on that possession.  With 6+ minutes remaining, UM completed a pass which was CLEARLY a first down (by at least a yard, before the receiver was pushed back), but the ball was spotted a yard short.  Instead of 1st and goal at the 7, it was 4th and 1 at the 9.  The Wolverines certainly did themselves no favors with a 4th down call that had little chance, but it should not have been 4th down in the first place.  Had those two calls been made correctly, Michigan probably would have been running the ball to run out the clock, instead of Denard making his horribly ill-advised pick-six that iced the loss.

My use of the word 'stolen' was typed in the heat of the moment, not an attempt to allege evil intent - just gross incompetence.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 15, 2011, 05:40:06 PM
Whew, I was worried but after today, Adrian remains undefeated !   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 06:51:30 PM
East Lansing was ROCKING. I'll have more later.

But Mr. Ypsi - common boss, you're smarter then that. The only people that should be complaining about bad officials was Northwestern after the game officials did everything but give Brady Hoke a flag last week.

While the officiating was suspect Saturday, it was bad both ways. There were plenty of calls the officials missed that favored Michigan, including one that should have brought back Denards TD. To assume that Michigan's offense was gonna score on the MSU defense, let alone get to a point where they could ever ice the game, just isn't logical IMO.  MSU simply took Michigan out to the wood shed, and well, beat them like one would a little brother...

Cousins was 13/24 for 2 TDs which should have been along the lines of 20/24 with 3 TDs with all the dropped passes.OH and how about that MSU secondary.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 15, 2011, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 06:51:30 PM
East Lansing was ROCKING. I'll have more later.

But Mr. Ypsi - common boss, you're smarter then that. The only people that should be complaining about bad officials was Northwestern after the game officials did everything but give Brady Hoke a flag last week.

While the officiating was suspect Saturday, it was bad both ways. There were plenty of calls the officials missed that favored Michigan, including one that should have brought back Denards TD. BUT, MSU simply took Michigan to the shed, and well, beat them like one would a little brother...

OH and how about that MSU secondary.  ;)

Thunderhead,

While I am a Buckeye, I followed MSU when we lived in Kalamazoo/Portage. I still support the Buckeyes first (D1), but have nice memories of visits to MSU. Good for the Spartans, sorry formerd3db! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 15, 2011, 07:37:55 PM
A very long and emontional day in many ways for me (and I'm sure many of you).  Well, Hope did not deserve to win and simply played horribly.  By the time I arrived at the game, one of my former defensive backfield teammates informed me that we had made no first downs.  Only had about 2 by mid-second quarter as I recall without looking at the box score right now.  Horribly poor tackling with missed tackles/arm tackles (just like Michigan did today :'(), poor passing, poor receiving and poor blocking.  Defense did fairly well and stopped some Albion drives, although their big offensive line essentially blew some big holes all day through us for running - only aspect is they like to lay on people after a play and they hold, hold, hold ::) :o. Luckily, the refs called most of those. Albion is a decent team, not great, although, again, deserved to win this game.  Their kicker had a terrible game.  Had Hope played better like they have in their recent wins, they may have beaten Albion.  The weather was actually better than it was in EL I'm told - sunny, with some nice white clouds and a slight breeze - unlike the wind blasts in EL.  A very nice Homecoming crowd (I'll report the total later once I've had a chance to check on that i.e. when it is posted), yet obviously, a very disappointed home crowd.  Albion did not have as many fans there as I would have thought - mostly parents of players as no doubt many of their other fans were at U of Mich/MSU.  Not impressed with their coaching staff from some behavior witnessed today I have to say, but I will refrain from discussing any of that here.

Great win for Olivet.  I'm sure they feel a huge weight lifted off them.  However, Kazoo and company must feel a bit devastated after two losses in a row.

Alma's Homecoming was spoiled also by Trine as you others have mentioned.

TH:
Yes, we'll have to disagree.  I, too, do not believe in giving up on a kid, however, I agree with UR in that there is a difference between enabling and grace; also again, it doesn't matter regarding someone's background period after they make the same poor judgement/mistake BY CHOICE after being given more than one chance.  Accountability is what is lacking in today's society and there is absolutely a way to help some kid get "ahead in life" while doing that.  BTW, just as an brief FYI, I don't have a son; however, have had the experiences you are discussing when I was coaching in college (and currently in teaching).  Anyway, also for DUIs, there is no leeway, period, nor should be.  So it doesn't matter if it is a player on the team or a student - zero tolerance if you do deliberately do it more than once :-X.  As far as the Michigan game, you mentioned, Michigan State's secondary - they did get a ton of help from Robinson and Michigan's receivers, all of whom were simply terrible today.  As far as the refs, they did get at least one call right and that was the blatent personal foul on MSU's man right before the half - the one that Dantonio protested so vehemently, but was obviously the correct call without question. :P ;D  Just ask Brandstatter and Beckman! :)  They saw the replay.  Also, the refs missed the out-of-bounds X3 on that play right before MSU's second touchdown where it was ruled on the 7.  Clearly out well before that.  However, all of this is mute points as Michigan played terrible and Michigan State arose to the occasion and had a well-deserved win. Anyway, I'm glad you had a good time there today and I'm sure it was a most festive and electric atmosphere.  Hope you enjoy your evening as well.  And...thank you for the condolences regarding the passing of my/our family friend and the prayers for her family - it is greatly appreciated.

Hopewatcher:
Thanks for the further inside info on the stadium situation at Hope/Holland - very informative for our colleagues here who don't know the full "behind the scenes" story.  Your take on today's game?

P.S.  No problem, Raider68, my friend! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 07:44:12 PM
I am not happy by the outcome, but not totally surprised.  Although I agree with Mr Ypsi in that they were big moments, I would rather focus on the fact that but just a couple key completions to wide open receivers would have been the key for me.  But Michigan didn't get it done. 

And THead, this game was a bit closer than what would qualify as a visit to the wood shed.  It is fun to use all sorts of colorful phrasing but I have told you a million times not to exagerate. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2011, 08:30:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 05:36:55 PM


I'm not saying Michigan played well enough to deserve a win, but those two plays just might have cost them any chance.  Cousins clearly threw BACK to a player who dropped the ball - a lateral and a fumble, NOT the incomplete pass the refs called it.  But since a ref blew his whistle before Michigan picked up the ball, the play stood as called.  MSU scored on that possession. 

You make your own breaks on those plays chuck, as soon as the Michigan players pulled up it was essentially dead.......had they jumped on the ball immediately it was reviewable and would probably have been Michigan's ball.  That's coaching, and I'm sure it will be discussed Sunday or Monday.

I've watched the replay of the catch inside the 10 on 3rd down several times and am less sure it was spotted incorrectly.  For whatever reason the side judges had a pretty bad day spotting the ball.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2011, 08:36:02 PM
games where the home team fans are soiling themselves with 6 minutes left because the other team is inside the 20 with a chance to potentially tie is not a woodshed game.

Neither team could move the ball into the wind worth a damn.  The difference was MSU taking advantage of the wind and Michigan not.  I think most people would be surprised (and M fans disappointed) at the number of plays UM had on MSU's half of the field with so little production.  It came down to defense and running the ball.......Michigan could not run the ball, and couldn't stop it well enough, and that has been the (his)story of this rival for about 4 decades.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 08:37:53 PM
UR - Respectfully disagree with exaggerating the beat down, BUT let me be clear I wasn't talking about the score per say. Michigan State POUNDED Michigan upfront. (physically dominated them-thus the wood shed) They controlled the LOS both offensively and defensively, and completely contained Denard Robinson. Yes Denard isn't a great passer, but everyone knew that, and yet that didn't stop the Heisman talk. (which was running rampant from Michigan fans before the game) I simply stated MSU had the advantage with their secondary against the UofM offense, you can spin it however you want, but that's exactly what happened. 

As for listening to Brandstatter and Beckman, you gotta be kidding me? These guys are two of the most classless conceded announcers in the Big Ten, just ask Jim Miller.  ;) They both we're criticizing Coach D's recruiting class early on, which I found funny given the three year record.

Brandstatter: "This is what you need to know about Michigan State's class: its second-best guy would be Michigan's 18th, and this year is the first time in 40 years Michigan changed coaches. Meet the new boss, little brother."

Remember, this recruiting class contained Johnny Adams, Jerel Worthy, Tyler Hoover, Keyshawn Martin, and Trenton Robinson. Oh, by the way, this class has never lost to UM.

While they ranted on Dantonio in 2008 and 2009, and praised RichRod's first two recruiting classes, they based their opinion on the fact UM signed 46 recruits. Guess how many where rated at least four stars by Rivals? 33.

During those same two years, MSU signed 44 recruits. Guess how many were rated at least four stars by Rivals? 11.

It isn't about spin, sunshine blowing, demanding excellence or realism. Sure, losing a guy like Mario O hurts. But Coach D will get guys that can compete at a high level too.

The great mystery to me is that message board lunatics (not necessarily here)--on both sides--will cite Rivals analysts opinions like they are gospel, yet they are skeptical about Coach D's talent evaluations. Take a step back and think about that for a second. Who are these "analysts"?. These are guys that attend a couple of regional combines, watch hundreds of kids take a rep or two, have little coaching experience, have no accountability to any university and develop no real relationship with a kid.

Compare that to Coach D. A guy that has coached college football for two decades at many levels. He has been a defensive coordinator for a national championship team. He has won a BigTen title as a head coach. He has a 51-36 record as a head coach, and he is 20-12 in BigTen play.

With that in mind, pardon me for being excited Jim about any kid Coach D offers early in the process. Coach D has proven he knows what he is doing. And he isn't going to offer a kid if he doesn't think he can play. And he also isn't going to get every kid he offers.

RichRod was 3-0 versus Dantonio on NSD, but Dantonio was 3-0 against RichRod in the Fall. Unfortunately for RichRod and UM, NSD victories--to use a Dantonio phrase--don't count one. Careful not to fall into the same trap with Hoke.  ;D


Michigan State is better coached (even despite the penalties) has better players, and is a better program. I don't see much changing any time soon.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 15, 2011, 08:39:30 PM
Okay, speaking of bad officiating, but come on, FOUR Trine P.I. flags waved off because it was "uncatchable"??? Common Man! (I should be on Monday Night Countdown  ;D ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 09:01:07 PM
TH, I happen to agree with you about the LOS battles - UM lost badly.

As to Heisman talk for Denard - did you see the first UM TD?  Classic D-Rob. ;D  He turned a 5-yard sack into a TD!  If he was even an adequate passer (alas, I'm not holding my breath), he'd be easily the front-runner.  Easily the most exciting player in college football, whether or not the best.  (The first play he ever took at UM he fumbled the snap, picked it up and ran for a TD.)  He's Barry Sanders (and unfortunately probably passes no better than Barry)! :P

sac, have to agree with you about the ball-spotting today.  To balance my earlier remarks (now that I've cooled down a bit 8-)), the time-out that Dantonio lost in the first half challenging the spot that gave UM 1st and ten on a 4th down play on the fake FG - I strongly suspect Dantonio was right, though the replays were not 'conclusive evidence' to overturn the ruling on the field.  I thought initially (and on replays) that he was probably 6 inches short.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 09:08:05 PM
Oh I just had to share this, as I'm still laughing about it. Perhaps by my wood shed comment, Kovacs knew what I was talking about.


This is from Sports Illustrated:

So while they may call Michigan State a dirty team from their ivory towers 65 miles southeast in Ann Arbor, Narduzzi isn't worried. Michigan Men can call the Spartans dirty all they want. But they can't call them losers. "I know we're 4-0 against them in the past four years," Narduzzi said.

Indeed, Michigan State completed its first four-game sweep of Michigan since 1959-62, and everyone in green basked in the glow. The student section chanted "Little Sisters" at the Wolverines, and senior guard Jared McGaha carried the Paul Bunyan Trophy off the field Saturday while fellow senior guard Joel Foreman held up four fingers. The Spartans -- who bravely played on even after Nike accidentally delivered them a crate containing Colorado State's uniforms -- didn't have to call Michigan soft. The Wolverines did that themselves. "They were definitely more physical," Michigan safety Jordan Kovacs said. "They pounded us. They beat us up."

.....

The next time Robinson dropped back to throw, he threw directly to Michigan State's Lewis, who intercepted and returned it 39 yards for the clinching score. Teammates hoisted Lewis onto their shoulders. Still holding the ball, he hopped down and ran to the sideline to celebrate. As Lewis ran by, a Michigan manager stripped the safety of the ball, which is property of the University of Michigan. It was the best defensive play someone in maize and blue made all day.

.....

Here's a better question. Is this the same Michigan State team? The Spartans now must prepare for a visit from Wisconsin, which looks less like the team Michigan State beat last year in East Lansing and more like the Alabama team that annihilated the Spartans in the Capital One Bowl. If the Spartans want to prove something to the nation, they'll have to do it against the Badgers.

Because beating Michigan has just gotten too easy for Michigan State.


.................

And UR - maybe some day we can trade, I'll give you my Green and bronze glasses, and you can give me sip of that Trine Blue Gatorade you love so much... ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.   8-)  Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.   8-)  Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties.

124 yards in penalties (would have been 140, but at least two were just 'half the distance to the goalline) will do that.  Some were simply dumb (the PF for a hit 3 yards out of bounds that wasn't even a fierce hit), others were flagrantly dirty.  Three of the PFs were obviously deliberate attempts to injure Denard (two late hits where the defender [offender!] then threw him down on his throwing shoulder, and the late hit after a Robinson run where Gholston grabbed his facemask and twisted it at least 120 degrees).  I was very disappointed to see it, but MSU today was flat-out a dirty team.  I generally root for any Michigan team against any out-of-state team (well, excluding IWU! ;D), but I sincerely hope Wisconsin puts up 70 on them next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 09:27:55 PM
Regarding the "dirty plays"

"That's what we wanted - 60 minutes of unnecessary roughness." - Pat Narduzzi. MSU Defensive Coordinator.

Can't blame the kids for playing the way they're called to by PN. While I have a mixed reaction, I think it's a fine line. I haven't seen the film, so I'll reserve comment, and of course, seeing it live isn't the same as seeing things up close.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.   8-)  Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties.

124 yards in penalties (would have been 140, but at least two were just 'half the distance to the goalline) will do that.  Some were simply dumb (the PF for a hit 3 yards out of bounds that wasn't even a fierce hit), others were flagrantly dirty.  Three of the PFs were obviously deliberate attempts to injure Denard (two late hits where the defender [offender!] then threw him down on his throwing shoulder, and the late hit after a Robinson run where Gholston grabbed his facemask and twisted it at least 120 degrees).  I was very disappointed to see it, but MSU today was flat-out a dirty team.  I generally root for any Michigan team against any out-of-state team (well, excluding IWU! ;D), but I sincerely hope Wisconsin puts up 70 on them next week.

I am figuring they will lay an egg like last year at Iowa or in whatever bowl game they go to.   I will say that both Michigan and msu were taken to the wood shed in last seasons bowl games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 09:27:55 PM
Regarding the "dirty plays"

"That's what we wanted - 60 minutes of unnecessary roughness." - Pat Narduzzi. MSU Defensive Coordinator.

Can't blame the kids for playing the way they're called to by PN. While I have a mixed reaction, I think it's a fine line. I haven't seen the film, so I'll reserve comment, and of course, seeing it live isn't the same as seeing things up close.

One can hope that referees of all future MSU games read that quote!

Unless he "misquoted himself", I do not believe Narduzzi belongs in coaching.  The Mafia, perhaps, but not coaching.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 09:39:54 PM
 
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.   8-)  Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties.

124 yards in penalties (would have been 140, but at least two were just 'half the distance to the goalline) will do that.  Some were simply dumb (the PF for a hit 3 yards out of bounds that wasn't even a fierce hit), others were flagrantly dirty.  Three of the PFs were obviously deliberate attempts to injure Denard (two late hits where the defender [offender!] then threw him down on his throwing shoulder, and the late hit after a Robinson run where Gholston grabbed his facemask and twisted it at least 120 degrees).  I was very disappointed to see it, but MSU today was flat-out a dirty team.  I generally root for any Michigan team against any out-of-state team (well, excluding IWU! ;D), but I sincerely hope Wisconsin puts up 70 on them next week.

I am figuring they will lay an egg like last year at Iowa or in whatever bowl game they go to.   I will say that both Michigan and msu were taken to the wood shed in last seasons bowl games.

UR - I know a lot of my fellow Trine people like to live in the land of last season  ;) :D ;D but last year was last year. BTW I didn't know you drove that bus, I seen it half time of home coming, pretty neat.

Mr. Ypsi - like I said, I think it's a fine line. PN definitely belongs in football, maybe not elementary education, but football - yes, he definitely does. It's an emotional game, that was a good win for them, and he's coaching the number one overall defense in the country that shut down Denard "the greatest player in college fooball" Robinson and company statistically.

I'm sure he may not mean exactly what he said, and I don't think we should look to far into it. After all, what is necessary roughness?  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2011, 09:45:17 PM
I'll help you out TH

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgif.mocksession.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FGHOLSTON-PUNCH.gif&hash=f439605b5dc5932b3cffddd3bfc5865abe937fbf)

That is William Gholston, he was flagged for it and somehow not thrown out of the game.  Then Mr. Zero Tolerance disciplinarian put him right back in the ball game.

and since you're fond of quoting national news media to make your points.......from CBS Sports

"Will Gholston had a fine day for the Spartans, but he probably shouldn't have been on the field for the fourth quarter. In the third quarter, Gholston was flagged for piling on Denard Robinson well after the play was over, then wrenching Robinson's helmet around for good measure. Later in the quarter, Gholston was being manhandled away from the play by Michigan OL Taylor Lewan, and when Gholston made it to his feet, he summarily punched Lewan in the facemask. Famed referee Mike Pereira said on Twitter that he would have ejected Gholston, and it's entirely possible that MSU or the Big Ten will suspend Gholston next week when Wisconsin comes to town."


The wrenching of Denard's helmet was clearly an act intent to injure, it brought up memories of Robert Reynolds vs Wisconsin.  I suspect Dantonio will suspend Will for Sunday's film session.  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
TH...If you want to view things with your Green and White...er Green and Bronze colored glasses and call that a beat down you can do that all you want.   8-)  Coach D's well disciplined team did a fair job of keeping Michigan in the game with all the personal foul / penalties.

124 yards in penalties (would have been 140, but at least two were just 'half the distance to the goalline) will do that.  Some were simply dumb (the PF for a hit 3 yards out of bounds that wasn't even a fierce hit), others were flagrantly dirty.  Three of the PFs were obviously deliberate attempts to injure Denard (two late hits where the defender [offender!] then threw him down on his throwing shoulder, and the late hit after a Robinson run where Gholston grabbed his facemask and twisted it at least 120 degrees).  I was very disappointed to see it, but MSU today was flat-out a dirty team.  I generally root for any Michigan team against any out-of-state team (well, excluding IWU! ;D), but I sincerely hope Wisconsin puts up 70 on them next week.

I am figuring they will lay an egg like last year at Iowa or in whatever bowl game they go to.   I will say that both Michigan and msu were taken to the wood shed in last seasons bowl games.

UR - I know a lot of my fellow Trine people like to live in the land of last season  ;) :D ;D but last year was last year. BTW I didn't know you drove that bus, I seen it half time of home coming, pretty neat.

Except for the here and now, this very moment, isn't everything in the past?  I am just referring to the most recent time they were in a bowl game, and the most recent time they played Iowa.  I am just sharing other woodshed moments.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
Here found a video of Gholston's wrenching Denard's facemask......there is simply no place in the game for this.  Note the penalty is for the late hit, not the facemask which makes me believe the refs missed this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM18sAZRnIU&feature=player_embedded

Here's the video of his punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AhbZoU4w-Xo
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 10:00:48 PM
UR - common, you left the door open, I had to walk through it.  ;D

sac - thanks for the film, from that short clip you showed me, it looked over the line. Though there maybe more to it then that. I don't know. I trust Coach D or the Big Ten to make the correct call. Sometimes even as a coach you miss things in the heat of the moment, and can't appropriately comment or pass judgment on it until after the game. Obviously the play was to other side and down field, so it's not impossible that the staff wasn't looking at it and won't see it till film tomorrow.

I will say at the NW game it looked to me like a Michigan player tried to rip the head off a NW player with intent, actually grabbing his face-mask on later replay. So, I know this isn't uncommon to some degree.

Regarding the article, ironically I know Mike Pereira, I was unaware however, that he twittered.  ;D

I'm sure you're disappointed with Michigan's performance though SAC, but realistically the team was quite over hyped. Hang in there, I'm sure over the next few years Hoke will get them to the point of creditability within the conference again.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2011, 10:05:18 PM
Here's a little gem from today's homecoming weekend at Hope.

Hope v Albion football attendance: 3,380

Hope v Calvin soccer attendance:  3,527
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 10:09:08 PM
I do want to point out one thing, as I've seen it posted by Michigan fans on the video clips, the comment is: "Coach Dantonio recruits thugs" - while not an all together surprising take by Michigan fans, I think I should point out that Michigan recruited him hard and also offered him a scholarship. He choose MSU over Michigan, Alabama, Florida, Wisconsin, and USC to name a few.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 10:10:55 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 10:09:08 PM
I do want to point out one thing, as I've seen it posted by Michigan fans on the video clips, the comment is: "Coach Dantonio recruits thugs" - while not an all together surprising take by Michigan fans, I think I should point out that Michigan recruited him hard and also offered him a scholarship. He choose MSU over Michigan, Alabama, Florida, Wisconsin, USC to name a few.

They all might have recruited thugs, but the thugs choose msu.    ;D   Just kidding!  That was too easy!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2011, 10:12:46 PM
Gotta leave for now and continue watching / listening to the wonderful Tigers game..... ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 10:17:05 PM
yeah, interestingly, I suppose even if you eject Gholston, you have to flag the Michigan kid for holding him down by the face mask, that's obviously a personal foul. I'm not saying the correct response is a punch, but it was a "response" and that's worth noting.

Also, from the few people I hardly care to admit I know who reside within that blue wall called AA, they did say Gholston caught up to Hoke and was very apologetic, apparently that impressed the Michigan staff. (remember they recruited him too, so these guys wouldn't be all together unfamiliar.)

And yes UR - I did make that to easy for you didn't I. 8-) Maybe from now I should call you the bus driver... ;D Speaking of beat down, how about those Tigers. :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2011, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 10:09:08 PM
I do want to point out one thing, as I've seen it posted by Michigan fans on the video clips, the comment is: "Coach Dantonio recruits thugs" - while not an all together surprising take by Michigan fans, I think I should point out that Michigan recruited him hard and also offered him a scholarship. He choose MSU over Michigan, Alabama, Florida, Wisconsin, and USC to name a few.

Based on the Narduzzi quote, perhaps they create thugs rather than recruiting them. :P

If Gholston had chosen Michigan, perhaps he'd be a candidate for the college football equivalent of the Lady Byng trophy! ;D  Today he was a thug who should have been ejected.  Twice. 8-) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 15, 2011, 11:55:22 PM
I figured I'd get Michigan's side from the presser.

Brady Hoke

Did you prepare your players for the dirty play?

"No. I don't know how (MSU) played dirty. They had some personal fouls and late hits on the quarterback. You can get those all the time."

Denard Robinson

Did you feel like they were playing dirty?

"No. We were playing football. It's a dirty game."

Mike Martin

Do you think they played dirty today?

"I mean, we knew what type of game this was going to be. It was going to be a tough, physical game, and coach talked about keeping our poise and composure as a football team. So I think we did a good job on that side of it, and we just have to do a better job with taking coaching and executing what the coaches tell us to do."

Were you expecting it to be like this? "I mean, who doesn't know what this type of game is. It's a tough, physical game, period. It's an in-state rival, and it's big for both teams. That's what it's all about."

You think they won with class?

"I don't worry about that. They have a right to celebrate. They won. They're excited. I tip my hat to them."

Sounds like some guys who understand it's a rough game. They know things are cranked up in rivalry games. I wasn't thrilled with the 2 Gholston actions (more so the first than the second). The taunting was split second. And, I had no problem whatsoever with the late hit on Denard (obvious penalty, and a bummer that he had to leave the game).

I, for the first time in years, agree with Albom, "The refs called it roughing. Michigan fans called it cheap. Spartans fans called it 'football.'"

I've been pleasantly surprise by the perspective beyond the Walverine faithful. (except my friends here :) )

"That's what we try to do," Narduzzi said after Michigan State's 28-14 win against Michigan. "Sixty minutes of unnecessary roughness. I'm just happy it didn't get called on every snap."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 16, 2011, 12:12:25 AM
TH, sounds more to me like graciousness and coach-speak, as opposed to the 'Arrogant Asses' that Perles claimed resided in AA. 8-)

Sure it is a tough, physical game.  Twisting a helmet 120 degrees while lying on a player (after you have late-hit him), throwing a punch, or wrapping up a qb 2 full seconds after he releases the ball then throwing him to the ground on his throwing shoulder is NOT 'tough, physical' football; it is thuggery.

I used to root for MSU against anyone except Michigan.  No more.  They are (the old) Miami without the warmth or palm trees. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 16, 2011, 12:33:19 AM
Mr. Ypsi,

They are not close to the old Miami. ;)  And Perles was right to an extent about AA at the time, Bo and later Lloyd were incredibly arrogant, and I can speak to that first hand from a few other staffs perspectives. (I say this because I know you worked form Michigan, thus had a perspective from inside the program)

But if we want to talk thuggery, your golden boys from AA are far from exempt. Not only did they have no interest in shaking hands after the game....AGAIN, but just take a walk down memory lane, or think back to the Michigan player who hit the Illinois player in the junk for no reason a few years back ::) :

http://www.youtube.com/v/zPYueAc5XAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFvus0rGs8

Face it, the next time a winning team complains about "dirty" play will be the first. MSU isn't a walk over Minnesota team, or Northwestern, or Eastern, or SDSU. They are the defending B10 champs. They are physical. They scratch. They claw. They battle.

You don't like it. Play harder.
You want to win. Play harder.
You want to walk the streets. Play harder.

In my opinion, if you aren't walking a tight rope on the verge of a penalty on every defensive play, you aren't trying hard enough. How many of these Michigan fans rooted for the Bad Boys?

But...the outcome of the game was decided in spite of the Spartans aggressive play on defense. MSU gave Michigan 124 yards off of penalties and the Wolvies couldn't capitalize. Missed opportunities is on them.

And if you think MSU is mean, wait 'til next year. If you come this soft next year, Alabama will run you out of the building. MSU learned that the hard way  ;) with a far better team then Michigan will produce on paper next year. I personally would much rather have a team with MSU's identity then Michigan's. The general feeling I get from the Michigan fan base is this: uh oh... :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 16, 2011, 01:55:26 AM
TH, you do not even begin to comprehend what I am saying about THIS game. 

THIS game, MSU were thugs.  Narduzzi said he wanted it that way.  To me, Narduzzi is scum.

You call it football; I call it thuggery.  I guess we agree to disagree.

You seem strangely 'arrogant' about the near future.  I will take Hoke and Mattison over Dantonio and Narduzzi any day (and twice on Saturdays)! ;D

Enough.  Enjoy your win.  It may be a while before the next one.  I'm done.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 16, 2011, 08:15:06 AM
Reading the UM -MSU game talk on here ... thuggery, poor officiating, etc. ... its interesting how perspective is affected when one's team loses.  There is more here about the game in East Lansing than any of yesterday's MIAA games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2011, 09:01:17 AM
DBQ1965:
Sorry, however, I have to disagree with you on this one.  No one here is complaining about the officiating because their team lost.  All of the Michigan supporters here (including myself) readily acknowledge that Michigan simply got outplayed yesterday and lost the game.  Michigan State deserved to win without question.  Yet, that does not excuse poor officiating for either side, especially when they let things get out of hand (or almost out of hand).  The same exact aspect applies to the MIAA games.  Yesterday's officiating crew at the Albion/Hope game was part of the same crew that officiated the Hope/Alma game and they simply are not very good.  Consistency was lacking, they missed calls repeatedly (especially holding, although I will say they did correctly call it more on Albion than they did against Hope) and they just are not a crew that one would be confident on.  Moreover, I and others have been complaining about the quality of officiating in the MIAA for about 5 years now.  It has been simply sub-par, and that is putting it mildly.  They let so many aspects get out of hand, including egregious behavior by some players and coaches (particularly Albion 3 and 4 years ago, I'm sorry to say) and that was pathetic.  Last year, I had a slightly renewed hope in them as the officiating was much better last year and I thought to myself..."okay, so this is now getting turned around and returning to the quality of officiating that is expected, other than the 4  years or so prior to that.  However, I from what I've witnessed so far this year, it is disappointing and any progress in that regard has been lost, IMO.  I am not implying here whatsoever that these officials are purposely targeting one team or another; I'm simply saying they are, unfortunately, not doing a very good job.  And that is disappointing.  As for the Big Ten officiating crews, I can't comment in general on them; only the games I've seen of TV or seen replays of specific plays on. 

TH: 
In no way, was Michigan over-hyped or over-rated for this game.  Not sure where you get that from.  All the media that I heard (or read) including the Michigan broadcasting crew readily acknowledged that Michigan certainly was not a team that was/is going to pound anyone.  They were, without, question optimistic about Michigan's chances against Michigan State and they also talked extensively about Michigan being much improved (the same as has been discussed by many here), however, also acknowledged that Michgian obviously has a long way yet to go this season and next as far as the overall program is concerned.  By the same token, Michigan State is not that good either.  Of course they played well yesterday, however, their not going to steamroll the better teams; they're average.

As far as arrogance discussion, you might as well apply that to almost all the top DI coaches if you are going to use that arguement.  Urban Meyer, Saban, Stoops, Kelly, Rich Rod (although I wouldn't really include RR in the top list of DI coaches  ;D), former TT coach Leach (who I hope is never hired by some DI team again, although he is on the short list for some eastern DI teams, including Florida Atlantic to replace Schnellenberger who is retiring at the end of this season - BTW, FAU has a beautiful new 30,000 seat bowl shaped stadium including a press box that looks like Michigan State's and which had its inagural game and dedication played yesterday).  Sorry, however, the arrogance arguement only goes so far and as I've previously mentioned my own opinion, if anyone is going to cite that as one against Michigan, then you have to readily cite and accept the jealousy one and lack of accountability (okay I'll say it - lack of class) that has been exhibited over the years at Michigan State.  Anyway, I'll stop with further comment on this/these topic of discussion because it is becoming unproductive here and, in essence, all of us here who have been discussing this are turning it into a "rant/rave" and "complaint" fest against the other's team (i.e. it shows our bias for either Michigan or Michigan State). :o ::) :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 16, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
Yeah, I'm good with agreeing to disagree.

October 20, 2012 will be win number 5 for Michigan State. It's not arrogance, it's simply my evaluation of the programs at this point. MSU is a better program, with better athletes and better coaching. But, everyone has a right to an opinion, and I certainly respect Mr. Ypsi enough to appreciate his view, even if I think he's wrong.

I think Wisconsin is probably the best team the in the Big Ten, however I think MSU is in the top half of that group.

As for Michigan State not being that good, well they have the number one overall defense in the nation, and to me, that's pretty impressive. You can only play your schedule, and to this point, I think they're playing it well from a defensive standpoint. They're far from average.

As for the arrogance argument, I think if you had read the front half of the statement I was applying it to "the Perles statement from Mr. Ypsi" I was merely backing up what George Perles said and agree with him. I don't really have a problem with arrogance from coaches at the D1 level, I've worked with enough of them and I have probably been thought of that way by other myself  ;)   

As for the officiating in the MIAA, yeah - I hear it's suspect across the board. Not sure what, if anything will be done. I don't know how the MIAA works, I'm sure the guys in stripes take it seriously, though I'm not sure they have the resources or pay scale to attract or develop elite crews. Then again, even at the D1 level, there are plenty of guys who get it wrong, but rarely intentionally.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 16, 2011, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 16, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
Yeah, I'm good with agreeing to disagree.

October 20, 2012 will be win number 5 for Michigan State. It's not arrogance, it's simply my evaluation of the programs at this point. MSU is a better program, with better athletes and better coaching. But, everyone has a right to an opinion, and I certainly respect Mr. Ypsi enough to appreciate his view, even if I think he's wrong.

I think Wisconsin is probably the best team the in the Big Ten, however I think MSU is in the top half of that group.

As for Michigan State not being that good, well they have the number one overall defense in the nation, and to me, that's pretty impressive. You can only play your schedule, and to this point, I think they're playing it well from a defensive standpoint. They're far from average.

As for the arrogance argument, I think if you had read the front half of the statement I was applying it to "the Perles statement from Mr. Ypsi" I was merely backing up what George Perles said and agree with him. I don't really have a problem with arrogance from coaches at the D1 level, I've worked with enough of them and have probably been thought of that way by other myself  ;)   

As for the officiating in the MIAA, yeah - I hear it's suspect across the board. Not sure what, if anything will be done. I don't know how the MIAA works, I'm sure the guys in stripes take it seriously, though I'm not sure they have the resources or pay scale to attract or develop elite crews. Then again, even at the D1 level, there are plenty of guys who get it wrong, but rarely intentionally.
Yes, for now, MSU is the better team, but Michigan will be back and in regards to the "better program".  Overall record is 67-30-5 in favor of U of M.  MSU has some catching up to do.  :)~
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: realist on October 16, 2011, 01:46:43 PM
I am a fan of neither MSU or MI, but I did watch the game.  It appeared to me that MSU knew what they needed to do to win the game, and two things were apparent.  One was they needed to stop Robinson, and the second was they needed to be aggressive.  Did they at times cross the line yes, but they also were penalized for infractions.  I thought both teams deserved some flags that weren't thrown. 
I know very little about MI's new coach, but have to agree with the TV guys that his QB subbing pattern did nothing to aid his own cause.  It appeared to affect M much more than it did MSU's defense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 16, 2011, 02:42:28 PM
Realist, good points. I took some heat, but I said that MSU took Michigan to the wood shed. I didn't mean that in relation to the score, (I predicted only a 10 point win...) but rather to the physical nature MSU beat Michigan up with.

This was backed up by Kovack - a Michigan player, who said "the beat us up" in the presser after the game, but here is another telling comment by Brady Hoke after the game when asked about the state of his locker room. I can assure you this isn't "coach speak", this is just Hoke being real.

"There's not a healthy guy in that room. Everybody's beat up," Hoke said.

So again, I just feel like it affirms my original point regarding the wood shed, which like I said, I took some heat for saying. ;) It's not a green and bronze glasses commen  ;) but rather a pretty accurate observation.  8-)

Also Mr. Ypsi, did you look at the film included in my previous post? Realistically if you're going to call Michigan State "thugs" for a few guys actions (mainly one) in one single game, then you should also call Michigan thugs for the plays above.  ???

Also, the recruits at the game that I spoke with, (who are being recruited by several big schools, including Michigan) well lets just say - they were very much loving Green. It was definitely a good win for MSU in more ways then just the game score.

One other thing, most all of those Michigan fans will don their Suh jersey this afternoon and celebrate his penchant for late hits and 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalties because, well, this is football.... just saying, it's quite the tilted view.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2011, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 16, 2011, 02:42:28 PM
Realist, good points. I took some heat, but I said that MSU took Michigan to the wood shed. I didn't mean that in relation to the score, (I predicted only a 10 point win...) but rather to the physical nature MSU beat Michigan up with.

This was backed up by Kovack - a Michigan player, who said "the beat us up" in the presser after the game, but here is another telling comment by Brady Hoke after the game when asked about the state of his locker room. I can assure you this isn't "coach speak", this is just Hoke being real.

"There's not a healthy guy in that room. Everybody's beat up," Hoke said.

So again, I just feel like it affirms my original point regarding the wood shed, which like I said, I took some heat for saying. ;) It's not a green and bronze glasses commen  ;) but rather a pretty accurate observation.  8-)

Also Mr. Ypsi, did you look at the film included in my previous post? Realistically if you're going to call Michigan State "thugs" for a few guys actions (mainly one) in one single game, then you should also call Michigan thugs for the plays above.  ???

Also, the recruits at the game that I spoke with, (who are being recruited by several big schools, including Michigan) well lets just say - they were very much loving Green. It was definitely a good win for MSU in more ways then just the game score.

One other thing, most all of those Michigan fans will don their Suh jersey this afternoon and celebrate his penchant for late hits and 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalties because, well, this is football.... just saying, it's quite the tilted view.

::)  Good grief.  You can use the woodshed analogy all you want if it makes you feel better.  Everyone agrees state played better, won the game, and deserved the win.  You don't hear the Michigan players, coaches, or fans arguing that.  Trying to tack a "woodshed beating" is a fun way for spartan fans to throw a jab in, and that is ok I guess.  A score of 28-14 is not in the same league as at 37-6 score, or a 49-7 score.   Down by 7 with less than 10 minutes left?   I would not give my team credit for a woodshed beating and might even be a little upset with my team that it was not more points due to all the stupid penalties but it was a win over Michigan and that is all that matters in East Lansing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2011, 03:48:47 PM
TH:

I'll echo Uncle Rico's last post (BTW, good post UR :)) Good grief, TH...a) your citation about Michigan State University having the number one defense in the nation is a legit point. However, if you are going to use that one...yeah, Hope College was near the best i.e. in the top 10 in the nation for small college defense against the run last year but, in reality and despite that statistic, our defensive players were literally "run over", actually smashed is a more appropriate term and, over all, we simply were not a very good team - statistics can be and are misleading, you know that; anyway, until State starts pounding their remaining opponents, IMO, they will remain a decent, average to good team.  They certainly are not, as yet, a top 15 team based on what we've seen; b) sorry you don't have a problem with arrogance by DI coaches - that's really not how it should be at ANY level, there certainly is a vast difference between arrogance and being loud, exhuberent and confident, you know that as well; and c) good grief, for any recruit, of course, they are going to be thinking "yes" towards the team that is hosting them when they won the game - that will hold for some of them until the next official recruiting visit at the next team. ::)

We'll revisit the "who's better" debate/discussion again after we see how Michigan State and Wisconsin do in their next few games. :D  Oh, and BTW, Michigan State has more "thugs" on their team than Michigan does! They always have ;D :o ::) :P ;) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2011, 03:54:35 PM
I am done with the Michigan / msu topic (finally!   :) ) so you can get the last word in, ThunderHead.   ;)

Getting back to the MIAA...Nice to see Olivet get a win, surprised by K-Zoo's showing.  Low scoring game at Hope.  Nice win for Trine too.  Adrian remains unbeaten.  Fun stuff in the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 16, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2011, 03:54:35 PM
I am done with the Michigan / msu topic (finally!   :) ) so you can get the last word in, ThunderHead.   ;)

Getting back to the MIAA...Nice to see Olivet get a win, surprised by K-Zoo's showing.  Low scoring game at Hope.  Nice win for Trine too.  Adrian remains unbeaten.  Fun stuff in the MIAA.

Thank you for getting the board back on track Uncle Rico.  This IS an MIAA board...was looking forward to hear first hand reports from those posters who went to the 3 MIAA games yesterday and all we get is page after page of UM-MSU crap.  Don't get me wrong, I love all levels of football, but there are tons of other boards devoted to B1G discussion.

Congrats to Olivet...first win since 2008 if I am correct?  Playing that tough non-conference schedule probably helped them out in playing with confidence yesterday.  Where has the Olivet poster on this board been, isn't he the SID there? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 16, 2011, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2011, 03:54:35 PM
I am done with the Michigan / msu topic (finally!   :) ) so you can get the last word in, ThunderHead.   ;)

Getting back to the MIAA...Nice to see Olivet get a win, surprised by K-Zoo's showing.  Low scoring game at Hope.  Nice win for Trine too.  Adrian remains unbeaten.  Fun stuff in the MIAA.

Wishing that I would give Dear Uncle Rico "Karma" for typing that ADRIAN REMAINS UNBEATEN.   And hoping that Adrian stays focused, one week at a time.  Kzoo next.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2011, 08:41:04 PM
TUAngola:

I can understand your frustration and, indeed, like Uncle Rico, I am done with the Michigan/Michigan State debate/discussion.  However, with all due respect to you, your assertion that there was no discussion about yesterday's MIAA games is incorrect.  You obviously missed the discussions on page 451, one of which was mine regarding a fairly detailed summary of the Albion @ Hope game and Uncle Rico's brief summary about Trine's game.  Also, on page 453, sac mentioned the attendance figure for Hope's game, a subject which I brought up and...finally, I think my discussion about officiating in the MIAA (including yesterday's Albion @ Hope game) qualifies for an "MIAA football discussion".  So again, I appreciate and understand where you are coming from, but, also, please read a bit more carefully! :D ;)

Overall, I think we've had some significantly advanced discussion here on the MIAA board this year regarding just that i.e. MIAA football, including academics, campus structure, stadiums, turf, attendance, recruiting, etc., etc., compared to previous years.  But also, some occasional discussion regarding all the levels of football is not inappropriate here.  Yet, I again, agree with you, focusing on the MIAA games of the weekend should be more of what is concentrated on.  The problem, as I'm sure you agree, is that obviously, we can't dictate to posters of other MIAA schools to do just that i.e. post in and update us on the games.  I wish more posters from the other schools would join us; and, unfortunately, we've even lost some good, veteran posters from years past.  I know some of that is because of moves away from our region due to jobs, family issues, etc., however, on the other hand, for some of those, I remain baffled. ??? :-\ :-X :)  Anyway, thanks for your contributions on this MIAA board - they are important and, at least I've enjoyed your posts (not sure I've disagreed with any of yours, unlike as I have at times with some of our other friends/colleagues on here :D ;D :), but...nothing is wrong with differing opinions on here, so long as all of us keep it civil and respectful.  I think everyone has essentially done that, even in the strongest of disagreements on some topic.

BTW, OC_SID is still around - he just is not always able (or in a position i.e. at liberty) to post. ;D ::)  Also, another former Olivet poster who has been absent is rome.  rome, where art thee?  Addendum, speaking of that, where is kzoodad? We haven't heard his opinion on the Kazoo/Olivet game from yesterday.  Obviously, the outcome was as disappointing for him as it was an elation for the Olivet people.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 16, 2011, 08:49:08 PM
Fellas - maybe it's my bad for getting us on Michigan v Michigan State track. But the MIAA board isn't exactly "rocking" and I don't think our talk hindered anyone from bringing up or commenting on MIAA driven posts. So I figured some chatter was better then no chatter.  ;) After all, we have a rather small group of guys who are regulars and we can only talk so much about the same stuff.

As for the MIAA - the biggest win was for Olivet IMO, kinda interesting to me, Kzoo seems hot or cold, a case of maybe two different teams?

Based on the chatter, I'd say Adrian is fully in the drivers seat. Congrats to them and FF for remaining undefeated this weekend.  ;D

PS - FormerD3er, there is quite a big difference between having the best defense against the run, and having the number OVERALL defense in the country at the D1 level. As for arrogant coaching, well - I think it comes with the territory and fair or unfair, it's even common at the D3 level. d) I realize your point about guys liking whoever they're with. However I know these guys personally, and they had a much different opinion on MSU then before they went in. d.) MSU does not have more "thugs" on it's team. I'll leave it at that.  ;)

As always though, good chatter. It's a lot of fun talking football with you guys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 16, 2011, 09:50:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 16, 2011, 08:41:04 PM
TUAngola:

I can understand your frustration and, indeed, like Uncle Rico, I am done with the Michigan/Michigan State debate/discussion.  However, with all due respect to you, your assertion that there was no discussion about yesterday's MIAA games is incorrect.  You obviously missed the discussions on page 451, one of which was mine regarding a fairly detailed summary of the Albion @ Hope game and Uncle Rico's brief summary about Trine's game.  Also, on page 453, sac mentioned the attendance figure for Hope's game, a subject which I brought up and...finally, I think my discussion about officiating in the MIAA (including yesterday's Albion @ Hope game) qualifies for an "MIAA football discussion".  So again, I appreciate and understand where you are coming from, but, also, please read a bit more carefully! :D ;)

Hey former, appreciate your response.  However, I didn't say there was "no discussion" in regards to saturday's miaa games.  I might have missed a few of the miaa posts inbetween all of the um-msu posts; it get's frustrating to "hunt" for them when they should be the main topic of conversation, especially after a football saturday.  I would think it would make it difficult for guys to post about their miaa team when chances are it may get "lost" in all the debate of the game in EL.  I want to say thanks to Uncle Rico, sflzman, and yourself for the reports on the miaa games saturday.  I was out of town so I was looking forward to hearing from those who attended saturdays conference games.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2011, 10:25:01 PM
TUA and TH:
Hey you guys, no problem.  I do not think for one minute that anyone here among our posters (regular or not) has a vendetta and/or a severe dislike for anyone else here regardless of how vehemently (at times) or far apart we are i.e. in disagreement on any topics.  Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion and even if I or any of you guys or the others get somewhat boisterous in expressing our opinions at times, no disrespect is intended, at least that is what I believe from all of our various bantering and discussion on here of recent and in the past.  That's just part of the game overall.

I don't think anyone need apologies for bringing up various topics at times either (as long as we don't cross the line regarding prohibited political discussions on here ;D), yet as has been mentioned, we'll try to keep the MIAA discussion in the forefront.  I'm sure most will admit, however, like you say TH, that some DI and DII "fodder" has to be thrown in there if it gets boring by no one of our other colleagues posting about MIAA game, week day reports and/or any other related info.

Have a good start of the week.  Perhaps see you in Angola on Sat if you guys are going to the game.  UR said he and LIR will be there.  At the risk of being berated here for this, I'll just reiterate what I posted to UR - save me a hot dog for halftime (to help ease the hunger and warm up from the cold) but I promise I won't throw it at anyone like that guy did at TW on the golf green! ;D :D :)  :o :P :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 16, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
What would you think of a player, team, or coaches who said this

"_________ should know we're coming. They have a good offense, and that quarterback (______ ________). But they should just know our defense is coming. And just like any other team, if they're throwing the ball up, our DBs are going to go get it, our linebackers are going to go get it and our lineman are getting after the quarterback. And they're going to hurt him."


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 17, 2011, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: sac on October 16, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
What would you think of a player, team, or coaches who said this

"_________ should know we're coming. They have a good offense, and that quarterback (______ ________). But they should just know our defense is coming. And just like any other team, if they're throwing the ball up, our DBs are going to go get it, our linebackers are going to go get it and our lineman are getting after the quarterback. And they're going to hurt him."




Not much.  First portion of the quote I have no problem with as it is enthusiasm for what they should be doing in the first place.  However, that last sentence of the statement has no place whatsoever at any level of football - period - and anyone who says otherwise is simply not being honest with themselves or anyone else.  Also, sac, I assume that you are not going to reveal the source of that quote - which hopefully was not from any MIAA player or coach (although I have my suspicions of who might have a tendency to spew forth such jibberish :o ::) or unless it was a "made up" one for the simple purpose of generating some philosophical conversation which appropriately applies to the game ;D :D ;) ::)!)

P.S. BTW, sac, I see you are in the mood for playing the "jokester" in addition to the above i.e. stirring the pot (if that is a theoretical quote/question) as nice, cute photo of the cat in the bread!  I got a nice chuckle out of that! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 17, 2011, 10:58:33 AM
Not hard to google this part

"But they should just know our defense is coming. And just like any other team, if they're throwing the ball up, our DBs are going to go get it, our linebackers are going to go get it and our lineman are getting after the quarterback. And they're going to hurt him."

And there is your answer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on October 17, 2011, 11:20:35 AM
Saturday was one of the more difficult days to be  Hope fan.....Last week I mentioned that the Kazoo-Hope game could have been a much bigger score margin, whell the same thing is true for this past Satursday 12-3 does not at all indicate Albion's dominance of Hope.....and, I think, the reasons for that go both ways....Hope did not come out with the same confidence and emotion that they had been playing with the last 3 games, and Albion played much better than anything that I had seen reported previously....definitely Orr was feeling better (230+ yards rushing)...and they seemed to be able to make the big pass anytime they needed to......Some would cut the Dutch defense some slack as they were on the field so much, but honestly, I 'm not sure I can as the war of both lines was clearly won by Albion...and in the world of smash mouth football, Hope got smashed......It was deja vu all over again, a defensive big play mistake for a TD, a lot of arm tackling (as formerd3db mentioned), special team issues, offensive mistakes....all against a pretty good Albion team....simply a recipe for disaster....this was not the Hope team that was beginning to emerge...I guess its 2 steps forward and the occaisional step back (this was definitely a step back).....Albion's greatest opponent, was Albion...way too many penalties (and not smart ones), special teams issues and turnovers...if they continue that against Adrian and Trine, I don't think the outcome will be so positive.....
Net out, is that this is a game that Hope needs to put behind them in a big way....Its time for them to get angry, get refocused and back to performing the way they can....I know this is a tough part of the season, but that is the only way they have any chance of being competitive against Trine and Adrian in their next 2 games...taking one game at a time, and holding each opponent up with the respect they have earned (but playing without any sense of fear)....By being positive, focusing on what they are capable of doing and getting it done, Hope still does have the opportunity to affect who wins the MIAA and earn some respect of their own.....whether they are prepared to do that starts at Trine on Saturday.....its the only game that matters....and its up to them if they will be competitive or not....certainly Trine will be ready.....Go Hope! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 17, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: sac on October 11, 2011, 11:46:06 AM

Adrian #59
Albion #88
Hope #95
Trine #98
Alma #142
Kalamazoo #149
Olivet #203

Some shuffling around this week.  Adrian, Albion and Trine drop a little, probably because all 3 had two non-conference opponents take losses.

Massey also has a score predictor.

October 15
Albion 23 Hope 21
Kalamazoo 41 Olivet 31
Trine 31 Alma 28

Overall Massey has Adrian at better than 70% running the table, the real battle is for 2nd between Albion, Hope, Trine.  In the head-to-heads between these three massey currently has the scores

Albion 23 Hope 21
Trine 23 Hope 21
Albion 27 Trine 24

Massey also has Olivet at better than 80% to finish winless.

Last week's massey ratings quoted above.  This week's below

Adrian #50
Albion #84
Trine #87
Hope #116
Alma #153
Kzoo #158
Olivet #177

Let's see......Adrian got almost all of its 9 places it lost last week back by simply not playing.  Hope takes the biggest hit and Olivet makes the biggest jump.

These seem like plausible final MIAA standings to me.


Massey clearly riled up the Comets with his 80% probability of finishing winless......his formula still doesn't like them much, now its 70% to close the year with just the one win and only a 9% chance of beating Albion.   So there's a chance.

This week's massey predictions:
October 22:
Adrian 34 Kzoo 17
Albion 38 Olivet 21
Trine 21 Hope 14

(massey's formula seems to over-predict the offensive output of MIAA teams........or under-predicts the hellacious winds that swept across the mitten last weekend.)


Last week I highlighted the closeness of the battle for 2nd....massey now like's Trine but only by a slim margin over Albion.

Trine 21 Hope 14
Trine 23 Albion 22

Adrian still with a 70% probability of closing it out 9-0.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2011, 02:54:21 PM
Since there are a fair number of Trine and Hope fans here,  I invite everyone to visit us at the Hope vs Trine game at Trine this coming weekend.  We park the ThunderBus in the lot behind the scoreboard side goal posts.  Be there before, at half time, or after the game.  It would be fun to meet you all.  If you wish to remain anonymous just stop by anyway and don't tell us your "handle."  :) 

Pat Coleman, Keith McMillan, or any of the other D3football.com luminaries...if you haven't visited Trine yet, book the trip and I will save you a burger and a beer (or two) of your choice  :)   It might not be the D3 game of the week, but it would be a great chance to see Trine and Hope, the facilities, and meet a great bunch of forum members.  OK, well, maybe the "great" part is an exaggeration. 

Go Thunder!



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 17, 2011, 05:46:14 PM
Excellent posts Hopewatcher, sac, and Uncle Rico!  +k for all of you (oops, sorry sac, I am in the "24 hour limit" rule for you regarding karma because I gave you a +k for a recent post last night - so I'll put this one on delay for you! ;D).  Hopewatcher, you hit the "nail on the head" for everything regarding Hope, IMO.

sac, I personally think Trine will come in 2nd place with Albion 3rd in the final league standings.  We'll see what happens - that is, of course, assuming we (Hope) can't pull the upset of Trine & Adrian - of course, I'm pulling (and hoping) for that without question! :) ;) :D

Yeah, Uncle Rico, I am all "in" for a hot dog this Saturday (and I'll actually eat it!).  Can I or do I need to bring anything, pop, etc.?  Just let me know.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 17, 2011, 05:52:22 PM
Uncle Rico, I really have my feelings hurt.  You didn't invite me for a hotdog when we were there with Adrian.   ;) :o ??? :'( :-* 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2011, 06:39:34 PM
formerd3db - (and anyone else for that matter) no need to bring anything.  We should have refreshments and food covered unless you have some unique tastes.

ForeverFootball - I owe you an apology!  It was a spur of the moment idea and in hindsight wish I had thought of it earlier!  You are more than welcome to stop by Angola this weekend, but I suspect you may have other plans for Saturday.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 17, 2011, 08:18:14 PM
Fellas, hope everyone is having a good Monday.

SAC I know exactly where that quote came from.  ;) He probably shouldn't have said it, but then again, a lot of things kids say they probably shouldn't say. I don't think we wanna get into a "look at this quote" thread going.

As for the MIAA conference race I don't see anyone knocking of Adrian and I suspect Trine will lose one more time this year. Maybe not, but I think Hope and Albion will have a good shot at giving them a run, especially Albion, last game of the year, at Albion, ect...

UR - your tailgater seems like fun, I've always seen the bus in the past, but never thought of stopping by. I'm heading to the MSU vs Wisky game this weekend, and with GameDay there, I'd like to get their early. However meeting all you wonderful folks seems like it might be almost worth while to head to Angola first, then back up 69.  ;D

We shall see, I'd like to make it work.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 18, 2011, 11:05:43 AM
This Saturday, does Adrian take another step to the conference crown? Can Olivet win another? Will Hope surprise Trine at home?

The Pickem's thus far say Adrian, Albion and Trine, we'll see! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on October 18, 2011, 03:38:48 PM
season has went from bright outlook to well, hope they can salvage something the rest of the way. lost cares andfrye to season ending injuries. olivet game was embarassing, no offence o fans. play calling in 2nd half was suspect ,db's looked out of gas. no rotation at all.jones should be back this week. hoping for nice weather this weekend. everyone have a safe weekend and good luck to all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 18, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
It's Tuesday and we're already wishing everyone safe travels for the weekend.

THIS is why it's not such a bad idea to get into "heated" ;) debates on other sports related things...some chatter is better than no chatter IMO. I don't think the board will grow without good debate, and for the most part, if it takes some non-MIAA chatter to get people to post, then I don't see why that's such a bad thing.

At the end of the day, people will still post on mainly MIAA related subjects anyway, the difference is perhaps now we have more people contributing. I realize there are tons of boards devoted to Big Ten play, NFL talk, ect, and only one board devoted to MIAA play, however I'm sure we have opinions as an MIAA group on more things athletic related then just MIAA football.

Smite me if you want, but I hate the fact the board is so sluggish 90% of the time when it's obvious we all check it periodically throughout the week, but often can't find much to post about.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2011, 05:01:14 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 18, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
It's Tuesday and we're already wishing everyone safe travels for the weekend.

THIS is why it's not such a bad idea to get into "heated" ;) debates on other sports related things...some chatter is better than no chatter IMO. I don't think the board will grow without good debate, and for the most part, if it takes some non-MIAA chatter to get people to post, then I don't see why that's such a bad thing.

At the end of the day, people will still post on mainly MIAA related subjects anyway, the difference is perhaps now we have more people contributing. I realize there are tons of boards devoted to Big Ten play, NFL talk, ect, and only one board devoted to MIAA play, however I'm sure we have opinions as an MIAA group on more things athletic related then just MIAA football.

Smite me if you want, but I hate the fact the board is so sluggish 90% of the time when it's obvious we all check it periodically throughout the week, but often can't find much to post about.

TH...I don't think anyone is opposed to the debates, I just think the Michigan / msu game debate in particular, for me personally, was just starting to spin round and round.  And I was a part of it, I know.  I have not smited anyone yet, but if I do you will be the first to know!   ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 18, 2011, 05:06:44 PM
I'm not saying anyone was opposed to it, and I agree it was going round and round.  ;)

My thought was at least we were talking about something as a group. To me that was good stuff. I enjoy the banter.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2011, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: kzoodad on October 18, 2011, 03:38:48 PM
season has went from bright outlook to well, hope they can salvage something the rest of the way. lost cares andfrye to season ending injuries. olivet game was embarassing, no offence o fans. play calling in 2nd half was suspect ,db's looked out of gas. no rotation at all.jones should be back this week. hoping for nice weather this weekend. everyone have a safe weekend and good luck to all.

Injuries suck, and I feel bad for any kid that gets hurt and has to miss seasons because of it.  I do not know who those players are...what positions did they play?  Kzoo seemed right on the edge of turning it around.  They have given Trine some great games in the past. 

I was always worried about my son getting injured, yet he made it through youth, HS, and college with nothing major EXCEPT a slight concussion.   :o  There seems to be so much more attention paid to it now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on October 18, 2011, 07:54:07 PM
cares, sr. starting de, dislocated ankle, torn ligiments, broken tibia. frye, jr. starting wr, broken fibula. am looking forward to the trip to angola nov. 5. the fans there treated us great last time. it will be my son's last game, my wife and my 34th. anniversery, in the town my parents were married in 61 yrs. ago. i'll have to find the bus.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2011, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: kzoodad on October 18, 2011, 07:54:07 PM
cares, sr. starting de, dislocated ankle, torn ligiments, broken tibia. frye, jr. starting wr, broken fibula. am looking forward to the trip to angola nov. 5. the fans there treated us great last time. it will be my son's last game, my wife and my 34th. anniversery, in the town my parents were married in 61 yrs. ago. i'll have to find the bus.

Wow, those are bad injuries.  It is tough being your son's last game.  We still go to most of the games even though my son is finished.  But to be honest, the build up is a little bit different and I am sort of jelous of all the parents whose kids are still playing.  Congrats on the anniversary...34 years is awesome.  And 61 for your mom and dad?  It has been 25 for my wife and I.   Don't worry about the bus...if you cannot find the bus, the bus will find YOU!   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Kovo on October 19, 2011, 08:51:50 AM
Special congrats to Olivet from an NCC alum.  Olivet deserved to win.  Especially since they could have backed out of The NCC game, but played on.  Hopefully, their kids coaches, and fans will be rewarded with some more Ws as the season progresses!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 20, 2011, 05:24:01 PM
Anyone predicting any upsets on Saturday? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2011, 07:44:53 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 20, 2011, 05:24:01 PM
Anyone predicting any upsets on Saturday? ;)

I think half the teams that play will be upset, and the other half will be happy.   ;D

My thoughts are that Adrian will win at Kzoo, Albion wins at home vs Olivet, and Hope loses at Trine in a close one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 21, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
UR, thanks for my daily laugh!

I think Trine should be on upset alert.  This Trine team continues to remind me of the make up of the 2009 championship team that was carried by their defense and the offense was able to do enough.  I hope to see the offense continue to show improvements in the running game like they did last week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2011, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on October 21, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
UR, thanks for my daily laugh!

I think Trine should be on upset alert.  This Trine team continues to remind me of the make up of the 2009 championship team that was carried by their defense and the offense was able to do enough.  I hope to see the offense continue to show improvements in the running game like they did last week.

As long as you are laughing with me and not at me!  :)

I agree with you BOYA87, this game is going to be tight.

Reminder to all to stop by at the Thunder Bus this Saturday if you are at the Trine / Hope game.  In the parking lot behind the goal posts with the big scoreboard.  We'll have donuts in the morning, and I can cook up some hot dogs at half time and after the game.  The cooler will be stocked with some refreshments as well.  Hope to see a lot of our D3 friends there!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 21, 2011, 02:47:05 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2011, 07:44:53 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 20, 2011, 05:24:01 PM
Anyone predicting any upsets on Saturday? ;)

I think half the teams that play will be upset, and the other half will be happy.   ;D

My thoughts are that Adrian will win at Kzoo, Albion wins at home vs Olivet, and Hope loses at Trine in a close one.

Pretty much agree here.

I'd love to stop by the tailgater, but with College Gameday in EL - I just can't pass up hanging out their all day. Safe travels to all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 21, 2011, 06:03:27 PM
Uncle Rico...might be able to swing by the "bus" before the game.  I like watching the TU band so usually stay in the stands at half.  I am friends with some of the music profs and I know a few kids in the band so like to show my support there too.

Hope the weather is nice tomorrow...man alive when was the last time we saw the sun shine around Angola?  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2011, 07:29:57 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 21, 2011, 06:03:27 PM
Uncle Rico...might be able to swing by the "bus" before the game.  I like watching the TU band so usually stay in the stands at half.  I am friends with some of the music profs and I know a few kids in the band so like to show my support there too.

Hope the weather is nice tomorrow...man alive when was the last time we saw the sun shine around Angola?  8-)

Look forward to meeting you!  Let It Rain will be there also.  I think the weather is supposed to be pretty nice for this time of year.  Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: aueagle on October 22, 2011, 04:22:43 PM
Solid win for Hope...way to go formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 22, 2011, 05:34:46 PM
Sorry Uncle Rico...didn't get around quick enough today to make it to the bus before the game started.  You sure had a great day to tailgate!

The good:  Congrats to Hope College, big win for your team.  Final 28-23.  I thought the player of the game was your fullback, #30 (don't know his name).  He is the best blocking fullback I've seen in quite a while.  He is excellent at locking onto our LB's on those stretch runs and preventing them from making plays.  Plus he had a big 1st down catch in 4th Qtr that kept your clock eating final drive alive.

The bad:  Is it me or is the Trine crowd lethargic?  I think they've got used to winning the last 3-4 years that they don't know how to yell and help the team out.  I was the only one in my section standing up yelling and urging on the D to come up with a stop.  It just doesn't seem like we have a home field advantage like we should. 

The ugly:  Undisciplined play by our guys.  How many personal fouls did we have?  Too many to count that's for sure.  That's on the coaching staff, perhaps?  I haven't caught the final stats but I bet the penalty yardage was over 100 compared to just a handful of yards for Hope. 

Bottom line:  We had no fire today both from the team and fans, as has been the case all year.  I just haven't seen any game to game improvement from the Thunder.  Dropped TD catch on first drive in the first Qtr left points off the board.  Just went downhill from there.  Ugh  :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 22, 2011, 06:14:45 PM
Today's final scores:
Adrian 52, Kalamazoo 21
Albion 52, Olivet 7
Hope 28, Trine 23
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 22, 2011, 06:32:56 PM
Formerd3db, and Hope supporters.

Your team did it today and away from home! They are having a very good season thus far! :) :) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 22, 2011, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 22, 2011, 05:34:46 PM
Sorry Uncle Rico...didn't get around quick enough today to make it to the bus before the game started.  You sure had a great day to tailgate!

Bottom line:  We had no fire today both from the team and fans, as has been the case all year.  I just haven't seen any game to game improvement from the Thunder.  Dropped TD catch on first drive in the first Qtr left points off the board.  Just went downhill from there.  Ugh  :(

Sorry I missed you.  Was nice to meet FormerD3DB.  He was gracious enough not to rub in the Hope victory.    :D

I too was a little disappointed by the fans energy.  I was right there in the stands trying to lead a couple D-Fence cheers but I do not know if it were apathy or fear that kept the home crowd somewhat quiet during the game.  Why wasn't the crowd noisier I do not understand.  Even a lot of the players on the sidelines were fairly quiet.  I thought this was a huge game in order to keep up in the conference race, and it just did not happen.  Even with the score tied at the half I felt Trine could control and win the game, but we just could not stop them on a few key third downs.  A couple missed opportunites in the red zone as well.  Hopefully the pride factor will come in to play and Trine can finish up this season on some positive notes.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 12:59:53 AM
It's only appropriate that this is post 300  ;). (Spartans - what is your profession...) I just got back from East Lansing and what an AWESOME freaking game, loved every second. According to BTN this is the first team in Big Ten Conference history to ever beat two teams coming in at 6-0 in consecutive weeks.

Cousins is now MSU's all time leader in wins. Hard to believe he was the lowly 3 star QB in that recruiting class. Cousins was on top of it finishing 22 of 31, 290 yards, 3 touchdowns, 0 interceptions. After an almost deadly fumble, he comes back and converts at critical times.

Despite missing the phenom that is Gholston, MSU's defense showed up just in time, and for a bunch of "street thugs" MSU did a pretty darn good job with zero (0) penalties tonight I'd say.  ;)

Credit Coach Dantonio and Company (26-6 at Home; 12-game home winning streak, second only to the '50-'53 teams, with 19). The right man for the right job at the right time. There will be no shortage of talent arriving in EL to continue the building process. MSU is now front and center after tonight's game, not just for winning, but also for the exciting way the game ended. Though it could have gone either way - ESPN's headline said it best "Hail Sparty".

I know most all of you though MSU didn't stand much of a chance tonight after beating an over rated (in the polls) Michigan team, but tonight they were every bit a program on the way up. As despite giving up leads, they overcame. UR, Mr. Ypsi, and my other wonderful non-Spartan friends. I was thinking of you guys often tonight, especially at the end.  ;D I thought Wisky showed a lot of character coming back from 14 down in the 4th. I wouldn't mind seeing them again in December. I also wouldn't mind NOT seeing them. Go PSU!

ps - knew I shoulda gone with Hope over Trine in the pickem (I actually selected Hope and then "modified" the post... >:( ), Oh well, I just wasn't sure the Hope offense would show up. Guess it did, congrats to Hope.

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2011, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: aueagle on October 22, 2011, 04:22:43 PM
Solid win for Hope...way to go formerd3db

Thanks aueagle.  Yes, it was a great win for our team and program at this time.  It also makes last week's loss against Albion even more "stinging".  However, it will take a monumental effort like yesterday (and perhaps a little Adrian implosion ;D ;)) to beat a tough Adrian team in two weeks.  It will depend on "which Hope team" shows up as many have already said in recent posts regarding our last 3-4 weeks of games! 

Sorry about your Ohio Wesleyan.  They've had a tough past 4-5 weeks.  However, in looking at their remaining 3 games, I think there is a real possibility of running the table on those if they are dedicated.  That would be a very nice way to end the season and certainly pump some much needed emotional boost to your/their program.  We've all been there before (including Mount before their dynasty began in the early-mid 1990's ;D ;)).  So "Keep the Faith", my friend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 23, 2011, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 12:59:53 AM
It's only appropriate that this is post 300  ;). (Spartans - what is your profession...) I just got back from East Lansing and what an AWESOME freaking game, loved every second. According to BTN this is the first team in Big Ten Conference history to ever beat two teams coming in at 6-0 in consecutive weeks.

Cousins is now MSU's all time leader in wins. Hard to believe he was the lowly 3 star QB in that recruiting class. Cousins was on top of it finishing 22 of 31, 290 yards, 3 touchdowns, 0 interceptions. After an almost deadly fumble, he comes back and converts at critical times.

Despite missing the phenom that is Gholston, MSU's defense showed up just in time, and for a bunch of "street thugs" MSU did a pretty darn good job with zero (0) penalties tonight I'd say.  ;)

Credit Coach Dantonio and Company (26-6 at Home; 12-game home winning streak, second only to the '50-'53 teams, with 19). The right man for the right job at the right time. There will be no shortage of talent arriving in EL to continue the building process. MSU is now front and center after tonight's game, not just for winning, but also for the exciting way the game ended. Though it could have gone either way - ESPN's headline said it best "Hail Sparty".

I know most all of you though MSU didn't stand much of a chance tonight after beating an over rated (in the polls) Michigan team, but tonight they were every bit a program on the way up. As despite giving up leads, they overcame. UR, Mr. Ypsi, and my other wonderful non-Spartan friends. I was thinking of you guys often tonight, especially at the end.  ;D I thought Wisky showed a lot of character coming back from 14 down in the 4th. I wouldn't mind seeing them again in December. I also wouldn't mind NOT seeing them. Go PSU!

ps - knew I shoulda gone with Hope over Trine in the pickem (I actually selected Hope and then "modified" the post... >:( ), Oh well, I just wasn't sure the Hope offense would show up. Guess it did, congrats to Hope.

Thunderhead,

I also enjoyed the MSU game and I was pulling for them. Good school, good Coach and QB! +k on your post! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Uncle Rico:
Great to meet you, your wife and son (a former Trine player) yesterday.  Thanks for taking the time after the game to visit.  I am sorry I didn't arrive in enough time before the game to visit more and sample one of your "tailgate hotdogs".  You and others have summed up the game nicely.  I think that most of us Hope people would agree that our players put forth one of their best efforts ever and that game just might perhaps rank among one of Hope's all-time great efforts in that regard, even thought it wasn't for a championship i.e. that type/level of a game.  As has been mentioned, it was going to hinge on "which Hope team" decided to show up.  In addition to our players, I have to give great credit to Head Coach Dean Kreps and his coaching staff.  This is one of the first times (almost ever) I can remember them deciding on throwing in a few of the "trick" or razzle dazzle plays (half-back pass, etc.).  Coach Kreps doesn't usually like to rely on those type of offensive plays  (and he has legit reasons IMO), although I also think that sometimes when things are not going well, one has to take a chance and resort to "all the tricks in one's bag".  He and the team certainly took advantage of that yesterday and it paid off for us.  As far as Trine, obviously, they are not the team they were last year or before, however, they still are a very good team.  They just did not take advantage of situations when they could and as TU Angola has mentioned, those personal foul penalties killed them.  Not good.  I was impressed, however, by Trine's punter - wow and in that regard, our own punter did a fantastic job as well.

Fantastic weather for the game.  You also have a fantastic stadium - in fact, our Hope President (Coach) Bultman, former Head Coach and AD Coach Ray Smith and the City of Holland's mayor made the trip down together to view/tour the stadium facilities.  Is that a good omen for us?? ??? :o ;D ;) :)  We're all hoping so and we'll see what happens.

We'll see what happens now in the remaining 3 weeks of the season.  We have our "bye" next week so that will give us two weeks to prepare for the showdown with Adrian.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2011, 04:28:34 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for the congrats on the Hope win.  Yes, it was exciting for us (obviously not for Trine ;D).  You've seen my post above regarding the game, so I won't reiterate any of that here.

We'll see what goes for the remainder of the season and that includes for your Mount Union team!

P.S.  I can't share your (and ThunderHead's) enthusiasm for Michigan State ;D, but...they played well (except for the last few minutes) and certainly deserved the win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
ThunderHead:

Yes, great win for Michigan State last evening and they deserved the win without question.  However, I still do not believe they are a top 15 team and they will have to prove it by winning the next few games against Nebraska, Iowa and even Penn State before I change my mind! :)  While they dominated most of the game last evening, they showed they are still vulnerable and have some breakdowns (including in the secondary ;D) as evidenced as to how they had to win the game.  Cousins was spot-on with his passing especially in having some great help from the Wisconsin secondary with MSU's receivers being wide open most of the night, although the receivers did make some tremendous catches.  Anyway, it was an electric atmosphere for Michigan State last evening and a wonderful win for them and their fans at Homecoming.  It is always nice to win at Homecoming :) :D.

Regarding the MIAA, I think most everyone (with the obvious exception of our Albion colleagues here) believes that Adrian will win the title, however, there is always that possibility that it could come down to some "surprising quirks".  We'll just have to see what plays out in the next 2 weeks.  Anyway, you missed a nice atmosphere at Trine yesterday (other than their loss), although you were able to  experience that nice atmosphere PLUS a win at Michigan State last evening!  It sure was a goregeous day and evening for college football. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 05:56:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 23, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
ThunderHead:

Yes, great win for Michigan State last evening and they deserved the win without question.  However, I still do not believe they are a top 15 team and they will have to prove it by winning the next few games against Nebraska, Iowa and even Penn State before I change my mind! :)  While they dominated most of the game last evening, they showed they are still vulnerable and have some breakdowns (including in the secondary ;D) as evidenced as to how they had to win the game.  Cousins was spot-on with his passing especially in having some great help from the Wisconsin secondary with MSU's receivers being wide open most of the night, although the receivers did make some tremendous catches.  Anyway, it was an electric atmosphere for Michigan State last evening and a wonderful win for them and their fans at Homecoming.  It is always nice to win at Homecoming :) :D.

Regarding the MIAA, I think most everyone (with the obvious exception of our Albion colleagues here) believes that Adrian will win the title, however, there is always that possibility that it could come down to some "surprising quirks".  We'll just have to see what plays out in the next 2 weeks.  Anyway, you missed a nice atmosphere at Trine yesterday (other than their loss), although you were able to  experience that nice atmosphere PLUS a win at Michigan State last evening!  It sure was a goregeous day and evening for college football. 

formerd3db,

Interesting as a Hope guy you thought the atmosphere in Angola was good, while many Trine people thought it wasn't. I suppose Hope had a little to do with that. LOL Congrats on the win, well deserved I'm sure. ;)

As for the above highlighted, I think this a typical Michigan fan response, and not all that surprising, as I've heard it from a few Michigan people. Yet those same people said "they're (MSU) not any good and Wisconsin will prove that..." Well, I'm not sure MSU can do any better then they've done. Yes they almost let the game get away, but even OK or Bama isn't "un-beatable" yet MSU didn't let their mistakes kill them - overcame them, and - by the way, WON. Give Wisky some credit, that's a very very good football team. This wasn't Minnesota coming back on them in the 4th, this was the 6th best team in the country.

I fully believe MSU is a top 15 team, their isn't a doubt in my mind. Other then the ND game, they've played well and again, Wisconsin is a darn good team with a darn good (leading the Heisman race coming in...) QB. I would be surprised if they lose another regular season game.

Oh and by the way my friend, that secondary had two picks Saturday night, Mr. Wilson said post game he thought it might be the best secondary in the Big Ten... ;)

As for MIAA stuff, I think Adrian wins the league, probably loses in the 1st or 2nd round. They're very good, and yet I don't think the MIAA does a great job of preparing anyone for the playoffs on a weekly basis. Hopefully that will change as programs continue to get better.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 23, 2011, 06:58:49 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 12:59:53 AM
UR, Mr. Ypsi, and my other wonderful non-Spartan friends. I was thinking of you guys often tonight, especially at the end.  ;D

ThunderHead...The only time I thought of you was when I was talking to to FormerD3DB after the game and I mentioned that I was disappointed that we did not get to meet you and a couple of the other posters from the MIAA forum. 

It is cute how spartan fans obsess with how they hope Michigan fans react and view their program.   ;)



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 23, 2011, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 12:59:53 AM
Credit Coach Dantonio and Company (26-6 at Home; 12-game home winning streak, second only to the '50-'53 teams, with 19). The right man for the right job at the right time. 

0-4 in bowl games.

During that same time frame, Michigan is 1-1 with a win over Florida.

To paraphrase a famous poster on our own boards...."If a coach gets credit for all the success of a program, he should also get credit for some of the failures."

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 08:01:44 PM
UR,

I was disappointed I didn't get to meet you guys as well.  ;) I'm sure you all had a blast.

Regarding the 0-4, well this is true and the MSU staff was the FIRST to say they were out coached by Bama last year, so they would indeed back up "this famous poster on this board." 8-) However, from what I recall Michigan isn't spectacular in bowl games either...

I wasn't all that interested in your view point as a Michigan fan, rather as a fellow MIAA poster. Most Michigan fans are people that make me laugh quite often, and of course, can always be found at the local Walmart, stocking up on gear... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Other then that, something you may enjoy, seeing how you guys love the past so much, as far as National Championships, from 1901-1947 you have 10 of your 11 National Titles. Your 11th came of course as a co-national champion in 1997.

Michigan State claims a total of six national championships from 1951 until present, three of which are consensus national championships after being declared the national champion by the AP and Coaches' Poll in 1952, the Coaches' Poll in 1965, and the National Football Foundation in 1966.

Although old by all accounts, it's interesting to me that they are all quite a bit more recent then all but one of Michigan's NC.  :o I don't think most of the Spartans I know care a great deal about what most Michigan fans think, given the fact many of them are simply bandwagon.  ;)

GO Green!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 23, 2011, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 08:01:44 PM
UR,

I was disappointed I didn't get to meet you guys as well.  ;) I'm sure you all had a blast.

Regarding the 0-4, well this is true and the MSU staff was the FIRST to say they were out coached by Bama last year. However, from what I recall Michigan isn't spectacular in bowl games either...

Other then that, I wasn't all that interested in your view point as Michigan fan, rather as a fellow MIAA poster. Most Michigan fans are people that make me laugh quite often, and of course, can always be found at the local Walmart, stocking up on gear... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


GO Green!

You will never hear of WalMart spartans because there is not much demand for spartan stuff.  It's interesting to note you can find Michigan gear anywhere, but you have to look hard to find spartan stuff.   

Michigan is 19-21 in bowl games.  Not stellar.  Almost 48%
msu is 7-14.  Little bit more than 33%.
msu without dantonio  7-10.  About 41%.  Almost equal to Michigan

Of course we all know that nothing but the last 4 years matters anyway.   ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 23, 2011, 08:47:59 PM
For any of you MSU fans...if you were at gameday, find yourself
http://espn.go.com/college-football/gigapixelfancam/111022/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 23, 2011, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 08:01:44 PM
UR,

Other then that, something you may enjoy, seeing how you guys love the past so much, as far as National Championships, from 1901-1947 you have 10 of your 11 National Titles. Your 11th came of course as a co-national champion in 1997.

Michigan State claims a total of six national championships from 1951 until present, three of which are consensus national championships after being declared the national champion by the AP and Coaches' Poll in 1952, the Coaches' Poll in 1965, and the National Football Foundation in 1966.

Although old by all accounts, it's interesting to me that they are all quite a bit more recent then all but one of Michigan's NC.  :o I don't think most of the Spartans I know care a great deal about what most Michigan fans think, given the fact many of them are simply bandwagon.  ;)

GO Green!

So "Most Recent" does not count for National Championships, but it does count for individual games?   ::)

"Past History" does not count unless it ranges from 1951 to 1966.   ::)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 23, 2011, 09:00:40 PM
UR - Think you missed the point buddy. My thought was, that seeing how you guys love history, it's interesting we don't have to go back quite as far to reach past success.

And to your point, as far as recruits go, you're correct, most don't care much beyond what they view as "the here and now". That is all.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2011, 09:13:14 PM
ThunderHead:

Well, I'm not a typical Michigan fan.  I'll disagree with Mr. Wilson re: Michigan State's secondary.  Anyway, while they are a good team, as I mentioned, I will be much more convinced if they beat the upcoming teams they'll be playing i.e. the good ones, that is. ;D.

As far as the MIAA, as you know, we've all discussed on this board here why the MIAA has been down in talent the past decade and why they have had difficulty in getting past the first round of the playoffs until Trine's success in that regard last year (at least what we all think are the reasons).  Although I think the majority of us again agree that the MIAA teams still have a long way to go in that regard, I am thinking that possibly, just possibly, that this year might be the year for potentially going on further - that is if Adrian continues to play as it has i.e. to that higher level.  I say that because it appears that this year there is slightly more parity among the various teams in the various conferences around the nation -at least that is what I sense from the general comments around the boards and what we've seen in records.  No one is really smashing anyone routinely like they have in past years and even some of those teams that have been and/or are the strongest and in the top tier this year have taken a loss or very close to it.  Of course, this could be my own wishful thinking and I could be wrong, however, perhaps this might be the year in which there is a slightly better chance for MIAA teams to advance even further in that regard.  It will be interesting to see what happens. 

P.S.  Thanks for the historical summary of the national championships.  Indeed, always enjoy that type of history.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2011, 09:32:46 PM
kzoodad:

Sorry that Kalamazoo has taken it "on the chin" the last 3 weeks after such a promising start.  Without question, I think Kazoo is a much better team than it has been in recent years and Coach Zorbo has them going in the right direction.  I'm thinking that perhaps had it not been for a few injuries you guys have had, they might have done better in these recent games or am I off base?  Anyway, I was just curious as to your assessment of the team at this current point in the season.  We appreciate your postings here and just because Kazoo has hit a "bump in the road" of recent for this season, please don't stop posting with us here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 23, 2011, 11:10:04 PM

Special shout out to Holland High, West Ottawa, Zeeland East and Zeeland West for all making the MHSAA playoffs.  May you all get financial aide to Hope!!!  I'll even give a shout to Grand Haven.

By the way this is easily my favorite bracket in the MHSAA playoffs

Division 6
R1-D1: Tawas Area (7-2) 51.222 at Iron Mountain (8-0) 81.667
R1-D1: Calumet (7-2) 69.083 at McBain (8-1) 76.333

The combined travel time is outstanding, probably around 16 hours by bus and nearly 900 miles.  Go Copper Kings!

full brackets  http://www.mhsaa.com/FootballPairings.html

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 24, 2011, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: sac on October 23, 2011, 11:10:04 PM

Special shout out to Holland High, West Ottawa, Zeeland East and Zeeland West for all making the MHSAA playoffs.  May you all get financial aide to Hope!!!  I'll even give a shout to Grand Haven.

By the way this is easily my favorite bracket in the MHSAA playoffs

Division 6
R1-D1: Tawas Area (7-2) 51.222 at Iron Mountain (8-0) 81.667
R1-D1: Calumet (7-2) 69.083 at McBain (8-1) 76.333

The combined travel time is outstanding, probably around 16 hours by bus and nearly 900 miles.  Go Copper Kings!

full brackets  http://www.mhsaa.com/FootballPairings.html


I noticed in the 8-man match-ups several 2-5 teams qualified.  Must be a very small pool.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 24, 2011, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 24, 2011, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: sac on October 23, 2011, 11:10:04 PM

Special shout out to Holland High, West Ottawa, Zeeland East and Zeeland West for all making the MHSAA playoffs.  May you all get financial aide to Hope!!!  I'll even give a shout to Grand Haven.

By the way this is easily my favorite bracket in the MHSAA playoffs

Division 6
R1-D1: Tawas Area (7-2) 51.222 at Iron Mountain (8-0) 81.667
R1-D1: Calumet (7-2) 69.083 at McBain (8-1) 76.333

The combined travel time is outstanding, probably around 16 hours by bus and nearly 900 miles.  Go Copper Kings!

full brackets  http://www.mhsaa.com/FootballPairings.html


I noticed in the 8-man match-ups several 2-5 teams qualified.  Must be a very small pool.

This is the first year of an 8 man football championship in Michigan.

There are 22 schools playoffs, 21 eligible for the playoffs, 16 qualify so you have a 76% chance of qualifying.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 24, 2011, 06:43:12 PM
Great Time of the year.

Baseball Playoffs-World Series
HS Football Playoffs win or go home.
Fall sports in HS all in the Championship runs
College Football rounding into who is good who is talking about next year.
Hockey getting started.

MSU congrats BIG win.
PSU playing for Joe to set another record this weekend. PSU is under the radar and having a good season.

Tebow the guy is a winner and gets fellow players to believe. I am a fan and hope he can make it as a long term QB. He has a lot to learn about playing QB in the pro game.

Albion VS Adrian looking like a key game this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 24, 2011, 10:10:00 PM
Speakingnof high school football....

I was all excited to go see some college guys relive there Friday night lights experiences this week, but with alma hosting a high school playoff game (and probably a second rounder too, chip hills should be an easy win) I won't be attending anymore...I can't wait to see the film - and btw there's rumors of something funky with the unis being unveiled but I have no idea what. Well have to see
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 25, 2011, 12:15:54 PM
sflzman,

How do you feel about your alma mater's chances against K-zoo Saturday? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 25, 2011, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: sac on October 17, 2011, 12:51:02 PM

Adrian #50
Albion #84
Trine #87
Hope #116
Alma #153
Kzoo #158
Olivet #177

Let's see......Adrian got almost all of its 9 places it lost last week back by simply not playing.  Hope takes the biggest hit and Olivet makes the biggest jump.

These seem like plausible final MIAA standings to me.


Massey clearly riled up the Comets with his 80% probability of finishing winless......his formula still doesn't like them much, now its 70% to close the year with just the one win and only a 9% chance of beating Albion.   So there's a chance.

This week's massey predictions:
October 22:
Adrian 34 Kzoo 17
Albion 38 Olivet 21
Trine 21 Hope 14

(massey's formula seems to over-predict the offensive output of MIAA teams........or under-predicts the hellacious winds that swept across the mitten last weekend.)


Last week I highlighted the closeness of the battle for 2nd....massey now like's Trine but only by a slim margin over Albion.

Trine 21 Hope 14
Trine 23 Albion 22

Adrian still with a 70% probability of closing it out 9-0.

Last week's massey ratings quoted above.  This week's below

Adrian #48
Albion #82
Trine #103
Hope #114
Alma #158
Kzoo #176
Olivet #188

No one really moved up......Trine moved down 16 places, Kzoo down 17.

???....you would think Hope would have moved up given their win over Trine.  What's going on here?  Well, a couple of Hope's non-conference opponents took it on the chin this past weekend with Lakeland, Milliken and IWU all losing.  Call it the quirks of a computer formula.  IWU's loss probably hurt the most because they were easily Hope's strongest component in their ranking and IWU was shut-out in their first loss of the year.

Massey now favors Albion over Trine at season's end 24-21.

The big one this weekend massey has Adrian beating Albion 28-21

This weekend's other two games
Trine 38 Olivet 21
Alma 31 Kzoo 28
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 25, 2011, 05:14:42 PM
Hey guys, so I guess an old co-coworker went to the Trine JV game yesterday because it was just to nice a day to not watch some football.

Apparently the talk in the stands was that the Trine staff changed all the captains. 

Does anyone know who the new guys are, all my text said was "Trine has new captains appointed by staff" but that's all I got. I sent a reply but have not heard back, so I thought I would ask my fellow Trine posters. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2011, 07:28:33 PM
sac:

As always, thanks for the ton of info re: the poll.  So called results as seen by this week's ratings is exactly why I think they are worthless and why I don't pay attention to them.  Regardless of whether it is human polling or the computers, obviously the true results will always be settled on the field (for that given game and season). :)

ThunderHead:
Now why would they change captains like that?  If one uses that little piece of philosophical reasoning for an attempt at bolstering enthusiasm and effort, then why not apply that to..."let's change the coaching staff and/or at least their position responsibilites. ;D  I'm sure those who were "demoted" do not feel great or appreciated right now. :-[ :'( ???  Regardess, good luck to the coaching staff and team for the rest of the season at this attempt. ::) :o  Just MO. ;D   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 25, 2011, 07:41:59 PM
FormerD3Db,

I agree with you, apparently they thought the leadership must not have been up to par. (which was fairly obvious) Anyway, I'm curious who they think the new leaders are, or more in less, who has managed to lead despite the two loses in the coaches eyes.

I'm wondering if it's senior lead, or if they're looking for a new direction and possibly preparing for next season from a leadership standpoint and to lead them throughout the off season. In either case, I am curious who they selected. It's not a secret I've been critical of this staff for a while, and in all honesty, this is the first sign of life I've seen from them. Change is something that's been long over due in Angola this season...none the less, I'd like to know who they selected.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 25, 2011, 09:27:27 PM
Okay, I got a text back from a guy I know who has a son on the team, he confirmed the shakeup, and said the coaches told the team that they now believe they have a good idea of who the leaders and positive people are on the team, and as such they were naming them captains. Apparently they had a big Sunday meeting about it. I'm not sure how much good it will do anyone - but with the off season nearing, maybe it was an effort to shake things up.

New Team Captains

#41 Ryan Steinacker - LB - SR
#5   Casey Blackport - QB - RSF
#17 Tyler Williams - WR (not listed on the online roster that I could find)
#?   Austin Thrana LB (not listed on the online roster that I could find)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 26, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 25, 2011, 09:27:27 PM
Okay, I got a text back from a guy I know who has a son on the team, he confirmed the shakeup, and said the coaches told the team that they now believe they have a good idea of who the leaders and positive people are on the team, and as such they were naming them captains. Apparently they had a big Sunday meeting about it. I'm not sure how much good it will do anyone - but with the off season nearing, maybe it was an effort to shake things up.

New Team Captains

#41 Ryan Steinacker - LB - SR
#5   Casey Blackport - QB - RSF
#17 Tyler Williams - WR (not listed on the online roster that I could find)
#?   Austin Thrana LB (not listed on the online roster that I could find)

I am with formerd3db on this one.  I don't get it.  I foresee further division among the players.  From what I know, none of the new captains mentioned are on the 2 deep varsity roster.  Has Steinacker, Williams and Tharana even played in a game?  The current roster has Williams and Tharana on the JV.  How can they lead the varsity??  Blackport has gotten in to 1 game so far.  From what I have seen from the Thunder games so far this year, we need leadership ON the field.  Sideline leadership is needed too don't get me wrong, but I want a guy from my offensive or defensive unit who is in the face of my teammates when they do stupid things, like all those personal fouls we had against Hope last week.  Blackport has shown enthusiasm on the sideline, but will upperclassmen listen to a freshman?  Especially one who isn't playing?  I guess we will see.

Trine just isn't as talented as they have been the last 3-4 years.  I knew this going in to the season.  Several times I had mentioned losing all those seniors from last years squad was gonna be tough.  They aren't "destitute" by any means, but they would have to have play all out this year to win the MIAA, and so far they haven't been able to put it all together.  This falls on the coaches shoulders to me, not the captains.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 26, 2011, 11:04:37 AM
The shake-up at Trine among captains, sounds like the coach is sending a message.
Sounds like a bold program decision, a level of action the staff believes is required, they are not getting what they want.

Tough decision, right or wrong, effective or not for this season, the staff is sending a message to all in the program. The level of internal expectations were not met and the staff will not accept this.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 26, 2011, 01:44:23 PM
 :)Well I agree that the leadership of this team has been anything but...

However I can attest to sideline leadship having value in this sense, players don't decide the depth chart and coaches don't determin leaders.

I've questiobned the depth chart at trine plenty, only time will tell regarding these decisions, however even Kirk Cousins was named a captian before before he was named a starter and was named one as a messly soph. Oi

I work with and manage guys much older then me, if they don't wanna listen that's on them not me. Aside from all this the seasons only 3 weeks longer. Most of players act like they don't care now that the playoffs are out  of the picture. From what i ???

Let's allso remember that these new captians didn't decide they were going to be captians either, so if you're looking to frown on someone, this should be directed toward Coach land and Co.... ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 26, 2011, 02:20:50 PM
I support the decision to shake up captains.  All too often teams select captains purely based on the talent they show on the field and I think we all know that is really the last piece of the puzzle as far as a captains position goes.  I heard rumors that this might happen and heard the same confirmation this week about the new captains.  Ryan Steiniker is a senior defensive linemen who came in as a scrawny 150 lbs (maybe) and has now put on a truely impressive build.  He has worked his but off on and off the field, in season and out of season, to make himself and this team better!  Yes he is not a start, but he is a senior who does all the right things.  If there were 11 Steinikers on the scout defense then this offense would be the most prepared offense every week.

Austin Thrana is also a great human being and works his tail off!  I believe he gets in on special teams in varsity games but I'm not 100% sure.  I also love what I see out of Casey Blackport on the sidelines and I think even as a freshman he has gained a ton of respect from that team.  I hope he gets an opportunity to show what he has on the field at somepoint in his career and I hope he knocks it out the park (sorry to mix sports).

I can only imagine that this Trine team's goals were to win conference and to get to the third round of the playoffs!  They have continued to push themselves and their expectations every year.  But it seems like the effort and desire and leadership from this senior class has never seemed to match those expectations.  These new captains are guys who have the right attitudes and do the right things that it is going to take to sustain a great football program!  There is some great young talent on this Trine team right now and I think this season is teaching them a lot!

But time will tell and we will see how this decision affect locker room chemistry and other aspects of the team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2011, 03:02:15 PM
Nice analysis and insight, BOYA87.  If these new captains are all "effort" guys that bust their butt then choosing them sounds like the right thing to do.  Perhaps the message being sent is the season is not over yet, and they are going to look at how players (esp. the freshmen / sophs / and juniors) respond for next year.  This is not a game of "entitlement" but rather the positions are earned.  This is not to say the previous captains were not effort people, but perhaps in order to stir the pot the move was needed, especially for the underclassmen.  There are no "untouchables." 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 26, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
 Boya good thoughts

Should be interesting to see how things pan out over the off season. I don't think certain kids will just "keep waiting" when they know their capabilities, look for some attrition this off season.

While some maybe happy waiting to prove themselves at "some point during their career" I'm sure there are a few that won't sit by to wait on a staff that's been anything but consistant. I certiantly don't blame the kids.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 26, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
Boya good thoughts

Should be interesting to see how things pan out over the off season. I don't think certain kids will just "keep waiting" when they know their capabilities, look for some attrition this off season.

While some maybe happy waiting to prove themselves at "some point during their career" I'm sure there are a few that won't sit by to wait on a staff that's been anything but consistant. I certiantly don't blame the kids.

I DO blame the kids to an extent.  Let them leave if they don't want to put the time in.  I have heard more than a couple stories of kids that came in thinking because they were decent high school players, and they were coming to a D3 school, they should automatically be starting and given the keys to the palace.  Not too many kids started as high school freshmen, yet they think they can walk in and be given the starting job.  Trine's players numbers have grown quite a bit the last 2-3 years and maybe, just maybe there could be one or two kids above you in the depth chart. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 26, 2011, 04:32:52 PM
Good to hear from you Boya...your posts this season are too few and far between.  Love first hand reports from a former player.

I guess we will see if the attitude of the team changes with the new leadership.  There were a couple times on Saturday against Hope that I noticed players "shrugging their shoulders" at other teammates if they didn't get the ball on a play (this happened a couple times with a certain unnamed receiver).  If I was a coach and saw that he would have been on the sidelines next to me.  Like I said in an earlier post I wish each unit had a leader to "punch them in the face" (not literally) if guys weren't "all in" together as a team. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 26, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
UR - I see your point, and yet the NFL is chalked full of guys who have finished at a school other then the one they started. Sometimes kids leave because the program isn't for them, or they just don't feel like they fit. Other times they just don't like the coaches or campus. In my experience its rare for akid to leave because of the depth chart, often its far more complicated then that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2011, 05:55:20 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 26, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
UR - I see your point, and yet the NFL is chalked full of guys who have finished at a school other then the one they started. Sometimes kids leave because the program isn't for them, or they just don't feel like they fit. Other times they just don't like the coaches or campus. In my experience its rare for akid to leave because of the depth chart, often its far more complicated then that.

I agree 100%...kids leave for a bunch of reasons, and many of them are legit.  My statement "Let them leave if they do not want to put the time in" was only referring to those kids that think they should have certain positions given to them based on their past laurels and what THEY think their capabilities are. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 26, 2011, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2011, 05:55:20 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 26, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
UR - I see your point, and yet the NFL is chalked full of guys who have finished at a school other then the one they started. Sometimes kids leave because the program isn't for them, or they just don't feel like they fit. Other times they just don't like the coaches or campus. In my experience its rare for akid to leave because of the depth chart, often its far more complicated then that.

I agree 100%...kids leave for a bunch of reasons, and many of them are legit.  My statement "Let them leave if they do not want to put the time in" was only referring to those kids that think they should have certain positions given to them based on their past laurels and what THEY think their capabilities are. 

Then in that case, I agree with you 100%  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 27, 2011, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 26, 2011, 04:32:52 PM

Like I said in an earlier post I wish each unit had a leader to "punch them in the face" (not literally) if guys weren't "all in" together as a team.

I disagree, It is ok and even necessary for the leadership to quite literally PUNCH them in the face!  I can remember as a player having fights between the defense and offense several times during camp and then maybe even another time or two throughout the year!  that fire, passion, and competition is what makes football so great!  I think that kind of mutual desire to compete on the practice field and to not be beatin is something that builds a great amount of team respect and commrodery.  It made the team stronger as a unit.

TH-

I think its no secrect of who you are refering to and perhaps with your connections you may know of a certain player who is thinking about leaving.  My opinion on that is that if they dont want to be here then let them leave.  However your posts somewhat contradict themselves as far as the reasons people leave.  You have obviously shown displeasure with the coaching staff and the playing time for a certain player and you are now imply that said player may want to leave because of it.  This sounds like it is directly correlated to playing time.

I hope certain players dont leave, especially when they show a lot of promise, both talent and leadership wise.  But if it is a player that can't handle the wait or cant respect the path of earning a position rather than having a position given out of defult, then maybe they arent a player we want.  Because when things get tough in a game that is going to be the first kid to jump ship!

I had the rare opportunity to start for 4 years at Trine University but what a lot of people dont know about me is that my starting spot was replaced every single season by a more athletic, explosive player.  I look back on my career and smile big because I never once stopped working, learning, and growing.  I made it so that the coaches couldnt afford to not have me on the field.  I played every position on the entire offense (minus o-line, but including QB if you count revers passes).  I earned every practice rep and every saturday snap!  Theres an attitude and sense of entitlement with youth anymore and it has created a generation of quiters and whinners.

Thats just my opinion...toughin up, and start earning what you get!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 27, 2011, 11:00:17 AM
Good discussion re Trine

I am traveling today and have the USA Today newspaper in the Lobby while waiting for shuttle bus to Airport.

Great article about DIII footbal in Wisconsin in particular
Nice detail about reasons and family feel of DIII in Wisconsin in particular
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 02:13:06 PM
Boya,

Actually I don't get the chance to speak to Blackport, and I've never met his parents, as I haven't been to but one Trine game. As I've mentioned before I've seen him throw before at some FCA stuff, and once in Holland. Leaning on my background as a coach, I thought he was lights out. He was also incredibly nice to myself and my son. Thus he has a fan in me.  ;) I don't have any insight into what he himself is doing. As a Trine fan I hope he stays, not just because I think he's a solid QB, but also because he seems to be a great kid, and there aren't enough of those anymore.

However regarding your "assumptions" on the attrition, I'm referring to a few parents who I do know well that have kids on the team for more then one year that are quite positive they're leaving. Though it makes sense for people to be defensive and say "well were better off without those type of kids" I don't think it's fair to assume that everything is always about playing time. In each of these cases, it's not about playing time, it's about the way the staff has handled things, and to that point. So while you may think "they can't handle things" maybe it has less to do with the kid and more to do with other things. Then again, maybe they're not happy being a part of a program that's just slightly above middle of the pack in the MIAA. Who knows....

As far as me speaking about the different situations regarding transfers, I was speaking from a standpoint of my coaching days, and why kids I have known have both transferred out, and transferred in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 27, 2011, 02:54:42 PM
If they have played at Trine for a couple of years than they have been a part of an ELITE TEAM IN THE NATION!  it has only been this year that they have been an average MIAA team.  If having a season like this is enough to make a kid question wanting to play for a program then I say "nice to know ya" and send them on their way!  We want kids that are going to come in and work.  Not kids who want to come in and just have rings given to them for standing on the sideline.

I busted my ass off for 4 years to have the chance to win one ring.  I dont have much sympathy for some of these kids who have 3 rings and now want to complain because somehow things arent magically going our way.  Nothing is given in this world, you have to earn it!  and even then sometimes its not enough.

Just a little sick and tired of hearing mumbles and grumbles about a coaching staff that raised a program from the dead!  I am sorry we arent undefeated and competing for a national championship this year, but if you walk up to any DIII president and say "hey we are going to bring this coach in, he will win 3 conference titles in a row, produce a Gagliardi Trophy Winner, but that 4th year hes going to lose a few games"  I cant imagine many will decline that offer let alone bend over backwards to get that coach as party of their program!

Keep working hard Coach Land and staff!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 03:05:12 PM
Boya,

"your sick of hearing mumbles and grumbles about the coaching staff"? - well, I don't know of any football program in the country that doesn't deal with that, at any level.  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on October 27, 2011, 03:34:21 PM
Touche,

but Trine fans will respect what these coaches have done for this team and this program.  it is the fair weather fans that are the ones calling for peoples heads after one loss or after one season. 

I am a Notre Dame fan and although I have disagreed with some of their coaching hires in the past I am also a reasonable football fan and realize that coaches need their time to develop their programs.  A lot of those coaches probably got axed before they had that full opportunity because of the pressures of the job.

All Im saying is I wish there were more reasonable football fans out there rather than emotional football fans (ones that purely make their decisions based on feeling and recent events)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 27, 2011, 04:44:41 PM
BOYA87,

I have been a fan of your since your playing days and I agree with what you are saying 100%. Thunderhead is NOT a fan of the Trine Thunder, he is a fan a player or two or their parents. I know he is going to reply that he coached at the D1 level , and recruited at the D2 level, and actually had a hand in the birth of Christ and he know everything about football from the inner workings of Spygate with the Patriots to what Terrell owens eats at bed time but he is not a fan. Oh, and he'll add smiley faces too just so we don't think poorly of him.

Your right BOYA this staff turned around a program that had been left for dead and has generated the type of excitement that only the elite programs in the country expereience. Sure, everyone wants to be undefeated every year, it's just not going to happen. This team lost not only a talented group of Seniors but they were also leaders as were the previous championship teams. These kids need time to develope that leadership, and they will. They also had some coaching changes, as well as injuries. Yes, everyone has some armchair QB in him and will always say I would do this or that different. That is part of the being a fan. I, like you, diasagree with the fair weather fan that wants to blow up everything after an 8-2 or 7-3 season and start from scratch.

That's my two cents worth.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2011, 04:50:05 PM
I am predicting ThunderStorms right about now....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 27, 2011, 04:44:41 PM
BOYA87,

I have been a fan of your since your playing days and I agree with what you are saying 100%. Thunderhead is NOT a fan of the Trine Thunder, he is a fan a player or two or their parents. I know he is going to reply that he coached at the D1 level , and recruited at the D2 level, and actually had a hand in the birth of Christ and he know everything about football from the inner workings of Spygate with the Patriots to what Terrell owens eats at bed time but he is not a fan. Oh, and he'll add smiley faces too just so we don't think poorly of him.

Your right BOYA this staff turned around a program that had been left for dead and has generated the type of excitement that only the elite programs in the country expereience. Sure, everyone wants to be undefeated every year, it's just not going to happen. This team lost not only a talented group of Seniors but they were also leaders as were the previous championship teams. These kids need time to develope that leadership, and they will. They also had some coaching changes, as well as injuries. Yes, everyone has some armchair QB in him and will always say I would do this or that different. That is part of the being a fan. I, like you, diasagree with the fair weather fan that wants to blow up everything after an 8-2 or 7-3 season and start from scratch.

That's my two cents worth.

:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8-) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

Seriously though, good analysis, you always bring well though out points to the board, and your so darn clever...I'd like to reply, but I'm honestly confused.

So I'm NOT a fan, but I am a "fan"? I'm a "player" or I'm "two players" or I'm "a parent"? Interesting - so by deduction according to your post, here is what I am NOT based on what you think I AM, I'm not a non-football loving person (fan) I'm not a non-ex or current football player (player) I am not one person (a player or two) and I'm not someone who doesn't have kids (their parents), I bet your not real good at the "who done-it" type of games are you buddy. But again, nice analysis, as always, your anything but accurate. (oh, and here is your smiley face so you think well of me. Just in case the above were not enough for you.)  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 27, 2011, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2011, 04:50:05 PM
I am predicting ThunderStorms right about now....
...that made me laugh!

What Trine is missing the most this year, in my own "non-coach, non-former player" opinion, is "intensity".  Maybe this is why the coaching staff is shaking things up by selecting new captains.  Going back to that very first scrimmage against St Francis, this is one of the things I noticed about this years group.  Boya was there, he observed the same thing and made it known verbally to the team by giving them heck from the stands.  Well, the fire just hasn't been there this year and that mojo is going to be hard to get back for the remainder of the games.  There also doesn't seem to be the comraderie (sp) of the guys from what I've witnessed in prior years teams.  The difference in attitude from the players on the sidelines and field from the Trine/Hope game were as different as night and day.  I could hear the Hope players yelling and exhorting their guys moreso than the Trine guys who were only a few yards away from the stands.

Yes Boya, I agree that maybe a literal "punch in the face" is what the guys need right now.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2011, 07:07:25 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 27, 2011, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2011, 04:50:05 PM
I am predicting ThunderStorms right about now....
...that made me laugh!

What Trine is missing the most this year, in my own "non-coach, non-former player" opinion, is "intensity".  Maybe this is why the coaching staff is shaking things up by selecting new captains.  Going back to that very first scrimmage against St Francis, this is one of the things I noticed about this years group.  Boya was there, he observed the same thing and made it known verbally to the team by giving them heck from the stands.  Well, the fire just hasn't been there this year and that mojo is going to be hard to get back for the remainder of the games.  There also doesn't seem to be the comraderie (sp) of the guys from what I've witnessed in prior years teams.  The difference in attitude from the players on the sidelines and field from the Trine/Hope game were as different as night and day.  I could hear the Hope players yelling and exhorting their guys moreso than the Trine guys who were only a few yards away from the stands.

Yes Boya, I agree that maybe a literal "punch in the face" is what the guys need right now.  :)

Just be sure it is to your own teammate, not an opponent.  You wouldn't want to end up as Will Gholston (or Woody Hayes)! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 08:31:16 PM
or these clowns...right mr. ypsi.  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/v/zPYueAc5XAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFvus0rGs8

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2011, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 08:31:16 PM
or these clowns...right mr. ypsi.  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/v/zPYueAc5XAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFvus0rGs8

Since we like to play with videos....Compare and contrast....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b53VBwWLCPI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM18sAZRnIU&feature=related

I must admit that Bo would probably have been pissed with Denard for that....


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 27, 2011, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 27, 2011, 04:44:41 PM
BOYA87,

I have been a fan of your since your playing days and I agree with what you are saying 100%. Thunderhead is NOT a fan of the Trine Thunder, he is a fan a player or two or their parents. I know he is going to reply that he coached at the D1 level , and recruited at the D2 level, and actually had a hand in the birth of Christ and he know everything about football from the inner workings of Spygate with the Patriots to what Terrell owens eats at bed time but he is not a fan. Oh, and he'll add smiley faces too just so we don't think poorly of him.

Your right BOYA this staff turned around a program that had been left for dead and has generated the type of excitement that only the elite programs in the country expereience. Sure, everyone wants to be undefeated every year, it's just not going to happen. This team lost not only a talented group of Seniors but they were also leaders as were the previous championship teams. These kids need time to develope that leadership, and they will. They also had some coaching changes, as well as injuries. Yes, everyone has some armchair QB in him and will always say I would do this or that different. That is part of the being a fan. I, like you, diasagree with the fair weather fan that wants to blow up everything after an 8-2 or 7-3 season and start from scratch.

That's my two cents worth.

:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8-) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

Seriously though, good analysis, you always bring well though out points to the board, and your so darn clever...I'd like to reply, but I'm honestly confused.

So I'm NOT a fan, but I am a "fan"? I'm a "player" or I'm "two players" or I'm "a parent"? Interesting - so by deduction according to your post, here is what I am NOT based on what you think I AM, I'm not a non-football loving person (fan) I'm not a non-ex or current football player (player) I am not one person (a player or two) and I'm not someone who doesn't have kids (their parents), I bet your not real good at the "who done-it" type of games are you buddy. But again, nice analysis, as always, your anything but accurate. (oh, and here is your smiley face so you think well of me. Just in case the above were not enough for you.)  :)

Yeah I probably should have proof read that huh? I really hope that doesn't hurt my karma. It should have read:

He is a fan of a player or two (not the program), or friends with their parents. I should have just added the smiley face with the really big smile and then everything is forgiven tight?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 09:34:47 PM
Well Adidas,

Unfortunately you're incorrect. But even if that was the case, who the heck cares? I don't think there are rules stating you have to be "blindly all in". I have no problem with someone supporting their son, or their friends son. Or rooting for them individually. And to be fair, I'm definitely big fans of a few of Trine's players and also know about 6 of them very well and yes, I know their parents too. When they graduate I probably won't care much about Trine football now that I don't live in the area - so if that makes me a bad guy, so be it. As for now, I enjoy watching them play at Trine when I can, and will comment as such.

I'm pretty comfortable with who I am - and not all that concerned with your assessment as your entitled to your opinion. But just to help you out, it goes  ;D ;) 8-) - now all is forgiven.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 10:14:45 PM
Congrats to Adrian for coming in at #25 on the first ATN Top 50. (listed after the regional rankings)

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/heres-our-regional-rankings
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ForeverFootball on October 27, 2011, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 10:14:45 PM
Congrats to Adrian for coming in at #25 on the first ATN Top 50. (listed after the regional rankings)

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/heres-our-regional-rankings

Dang it all....when can I give Karma to TH ?!?!?!?!   ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 10:32:29 PM
165 posts to go my friend, keep up the posting, I could use the love.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2011, 11:08:25 PM
TH, I'll give ya one in FF's name. ;)

My comments on MSU as a dirty team were in the heat of the moment.  Against Michigan they WERE downright dirty, but I do not think they are a dirty team in general.  Beating Wisconsin with zero penalties of any type is VERY impressive!

(And my comment on Gholston and Woody was, obviously, tongue-in-cheek.  Gholston properly got a one-game suspension [MSU would have looked better if they had pulled the trigger before the inevitable suspension came down from the conference]; Woody was forced out in disgrace after a HoF career.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 11:22:27 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

I understand, and see your point. We need to go back to the old days where we teamed up on JT over on the political board.  ;D

I don't take a lot of stock in this guy, but the linked article presents an interesting view. I've known him professionally for a while, and although I wish he would name his sources sometimes, but I do know he's very well plugged in, and several people I know that work in Sports Information at different universities in the Big Ten confirmed some his some of his comments in relationship to how they feel about Jim Delaney. However you may find the read interesting, if not anything else.

http://spartannation.com/2011/10/26/in-a-week-from-hell-michigan-state-athletic-director-mark-hollis-goes-toe-to-toe-with-b1g-commissioner-jim-delany/

I'd also like to get that book that just came out on the Michigan program. I've read some exerts, seems interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2011, 11:56:36 PM
I did find the SpartanNation article interesting.  And very, very sad.  Not one mention in the entire 2,000 words that Gholston had already earlier tried to unscrew Robinson's head, which I found vastly more egregious than the punch (which no doubt WAS heat-of-the-moment as opposed to premeditated intent-to-injure)!  I find the author of SpartanNation to be a deplorable excuse for a human being.  (Michigan has such fans also, alas, but that does not excuse being a total douchebag.)

THAT game, MSU was disgustingly dirty, and Gholston should have been ejected (and suspended) TWICE. 

But I'm over it; let's get back to MIAA football, especially that big Albion-Adrian showdown!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 28, 2011, 12:03:09 AM
I know a few people, even some MSU higher ups, who don't think all that highly of Hondo. He's a decent enough guy but sometimes lacks common sense.

Anyway regarding the MIAA, I thought the Trine vs Albion game at the end of the year would decide the championship, Adrian kinda snuck up on me I guess.

I think Adrian wins this one, but it shoud be a great game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 28, 2011, 03:36:33 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 11:22:27 PM
I'd also like to get that book that just came out on the Michigan program. I've read some exerts, seems interesting.

As a Purdue grad, you'll enjoy the "junior high no class a-****"" reference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 28, 2011, 05:21:10 PM
SAC,

I'm sure I would, have you read it? Do you recommend it?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on October 28, 2011, 06:03:03 PM
A quiet week for the Hope faithful...but good luck to all of you and your teams....
The last three weeks of the season will be really interesting and entertaining.
Big games each of the last three weeks that will determine the league Champs!
Adrian has earned the drivers seat, Albion is finally healthy and is playing well, both have a couple of interesting games coming up before trophies are awarded, and Trine definitly is capable of doing some damage before its over.
Ain't this just a blast!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
Well, here goes...

K-Zoo over visiting Alma tonight

Albion wins at Adrian.

Olivet loses at home vs Trine

msu over Nebraska

Michigan in a squeaker against Purdue (this scares me for fear of another Michigan 2nd half collapse)

I will be happy if I get just a couple of these right.    ;)

Threw in the non-MIAA games since they tend to generate the most karma's and smites lately.  :)

Someone please tell me I won't get rained on in Olivet, alhtough I hope for some wicked Thunder to show up!  (Acknowledge stupid pun)   :)  (and obligatory smiley)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: sac on October 28, 2011, 03:36:33 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 11:22:27 PM
I'd also like to get that book that just came out on the Michigan program. I've read some exerts, seems interesting.

As a Purdue grad, you'll enjoy the "junior high no class a-****"" reference.

I have not read the book yet, but have heard the author of the book "Three and Out" (is that the one you are referring to?) speak for about 1/2 hour on a local radio show.  It is fascinating all the behind the scene things that occur around a program.  There is so much more to coaching a team than the X's and O's.  The politics, recruiting, media, etc...etc... I have said this before, but you have really got to love the game to be a head coach and put up with all the non-football related things that revolve around you. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 28, 2011, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: sac on October 28, 2011, 03:36:33 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 11:22:27 PM
I'd also like to get that book that just came out on the Michigan program. I've read some exerts, seems interesting.

As a Purdue grad, you'll enjoy the "junior high no class a-****"" reference.

I have not read the book yet, but have heard the author of the book "Three and Out" (is that the one you are referring to?) speak for about 1/2 hour on a local radio show.  It is fascinating all the behind the scene things that occur around a program.  There is so much more to coaching a team than the X's and O's.  The politics, recruiting, media, etc...etc... I have said this before, but you have really got to love the game to be a head coach and put up with all the non-football related things that revolve around you. 

I can honestly say this holds true to for assistant coaches at the D1 level as well. Between the traveling, speaking engagements, recruiting, and video work and assessment, it can just be over whelming. The behind the scene's stuff is very interesting when your outside the program, and gut wrenching and head ache creating when your in it.  :) You simply don't get "time off" - it's an inescapable job...much love to the guys that grind day in and day out inside that inferno of a work environment.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 28, 2011, 11:52:13 PM
Under The Lights at Waldo

Kalamazoo 30 Alma 23
http://kzoo.edu/sports/fb/fb11/fbstats11/1028kzam.htm

Interesting that Alma led 16-3 at one point.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 29, 2011, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 28, 2011, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: sac on October 28, 2011, 03:36:33 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 27, 2011, 11:22:27 PM
I'd also like to get that book that just came out on the Michigan program. I've read some exerts, seems interesting.

As a Purdue grad, you'll enjoy the "junior high no class a-****"" reference.

I have not read the book yet, but have heard the author of the book "Three and Out" (is that the one you are referring to?) speak for about 1/2 hour on a local radio show.  It is fascinating all the behind the scene things that occur around a program.  There is so much more to coaching a team than the X's and O's.  The politics, recruiting, media, etc...etc... I have said this before, but you have really got to love the game to be a head coach and put up with all the non-football related things that revolve around you. 

I can honestly say this holds true to for assistant coaches at the D1 level as well. Between the traveling, speaking engagements, recruiting, and video work and assessment, it can just be over whelming. The behind the scene's stuff is very interesting when your outside the program, and gut wrenching and head ache creating when your in it.  :) You simply don't get "time off" - it's an inescapable job...much love to the guys that grind day in and day out inside that inferno of a work environment.
Completely agree! but i think this hold true for most coaches in nearly every sport. college sports across the board are out of control, espcially with the win at all costs philosophy that controls the arena.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 29, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
I must say that this recent Michigan State loss is squarely on Coach Dantonio's shoulders. This team is coming off a huge win against Wisconsin and was not ready to play against Nebraska. If he is going to take all of the credit for winning he needs to step up and take the blame for this humiliating loss. Two losses this early in the season is unacceptable.

Also, Kirk Cousins was 11 of 27 for 86 yards, with an interception and the entire offense only managed 187 total yards of offense. Bench him already! We have got to put in the back up QB there must be somebody that can do better. The coaching staff is showing blind faith and drinking the green kool-aid if they don't make the switch!

Insert smiley face here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: sac on October 28, 2011, 11:52:13 PM
Under The Lights at Waldo

Kalamazoo 30 Alma 23
http://kzoo.edu/sports/fb/fb11/fbstats11/1028kzam.htm

Interesting that Alma led 16-3 at one point.

Okay 6 of 8 games this year tourned it over inside the 5 yard line with a chance to win or force OT
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 07:07:29 PM
Alma is clearly snake-bitten this season.  If there is a better 1-7 team in the country, I have no clue who it would be.  I honestly thought they would be conference contenders after seeing them against IWU.

(Of course, IWU also has a bad habit of playing to the competition.  They were nearly beaten by a rather poor Millikin teams today, who went for it on 4th and goal rather than taking a chip-shot FG to force OT; they were stuffed.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2011, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
Well, here goes...

K-Zoo over visiting Alma tonight

Albion wins at Adrian.

Olivet loses at home vs Trine

msu over Nebraska

Michigan in a squeaker against Purdue (this scares me for fear of another Michigan 2nd half collapse)

I will be happy if I get just a couple of these right.    ;)

Threw in the non-MIAA games since they tend to generate the most karma's and smites lately.  :)

Someone please tell me I won't get rained on in Olivet, alhtough I hope for some wicked Thunder to show up!  (Acknowledge stupid pun)   :)  (and obligatory smiley)

Yes, I am quoting myself.   Got every game right except the msu / Nebraska game, and I should have known better on that one.   

There even WAS thunder heard a few times at the game in Olivet.  Strange weather...saw no lightening but did hear thunder a few times. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 29, 2011, 08:18:27 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 29, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
I must say that this recent Michigan State loss is squarely on Coach Dantonio's shoulders. This team is coming off a huge win against Wisconsin and was not ready to play against Nebraska. If he is going to take all of the credit for winning he needs to step up and take the blame for this humiliating loss. Two losses this early in the season is unacceptable.

Also, Kirk Cousins was 11 of 27 for 86 yards, with an interception and the entire offense only managed 187 total yards of offense. Bench him already! We have got to put in the back up QB there must be somebody that can do better. The coaching staff is showing blind faith and drinking the green kool-aid if they don't make the switch!
A
Insert smiley face here.

not the board to post  your ignorance and frustration about the Spartans.
Let me stress ignorance.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 08:21:51 PM
Uncle Rico,

Well, you also could be argued to have missed UM-Purdue: until Purdue scored with 15 seconds left, it was 36-7, hardly a 'squeaker'! ;D

The start of the Albion-Adrian game was delayed due to lightnening - isn't that supposed to only happen when the Thunder are playing? :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2011, 08:41:54 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 08:21:51 PM
Uncle Rico,

Well, you also could be argued to have missed UM-Purdue: until Purdue scored with 15 seconds left, it was 36-7, hardly a 'squeaker'! ;D

You got me there...    :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 29, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: Stinger on October 29, 2011, 08:18:27 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 29, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
I must say that this recent Michigan State loss is squarely on Coach Dantonio's shoulders. This team is coming off a huge win against Wisconsin and was not ready to play against Nebraska. If he is going to take all of the credit for winning he needs to step up and take the blame for this humiliating loss. Two losses this early in the season is unacceptable.

Also, Kirk Cousins was 11 of 27 for 86 yards, with an interception and the entire offense only managed 187 total yards of offense. Bench him already! We have got to put in the back up QB there must be somebody that can do better. The coaching staff is showing blind faith and drinking the green kool-aid if they don't make the switch!
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Insert smiley face here.

not the board to post  your ignorance and frustration about the Spartans.
Let me stress ignorance.

My post was 100% sarcasm - but thanks for stressing the ignorance, I didn't see it in the first sentence.

Insert sad face here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 08:47:19 PM
Quote from: Stinger on October 29, 2011, 08:18:27 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on October 29, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
I must say that this recent Michigan State loss is squarely on Coach Dantonio's shoulders. This team is coming off a huge win against Wisconsin and was not ready to play against Nebraska. If he is going to take all of the credit for winning he needs to step up and take the blame for this humiliating loss. Two losses this early in the season is unacceptable.

Also, Kirk Cousins was 11 of 27 for 86 yards, with an interception and the entire offense only managed 187 total yards of offense. Bench him already! We have got to put in the back up QB there must be somebody that can do better. The coaching staff is showing blind faith and drinking the green kool-aid if they don't make the switch!
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Insert smiley face here.

not the board to post  your ignorance and frustration about the Spartans.
Let me stress ignorance.

Stinger, note the final line: "Insert smiley face here."  I think he was being sarcastic, twitting the boo-birds.

Anyone who doesn't take into account one of the most difficult stretches any team in America has faced this year is being very unfair.  Over a five week period MSU faced OSU, bye, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nebraska, winning 3, losing 1 (I can't find a final score against bye ;)). 

As readers recently will have noted, I am NOT a big Spartan fan, but I do recognize they now have the inside track to the inaugural championship game.  They should easily cruise thru all remaining games except perhaps at Iowa (but they just lost to (gasp!) Minnesota).  [And, yes, I realize that Nebraska is the only one of the 'Leaders' co-leaders to control their own destiny; amazingly, Iowa is also in that position if they beat Michigan, Michigan State, and Nebraska, but good luck with that! :D)

EDIT: I see adidas beat me to the punch on the sarcasm. :P

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
This is such a weird football season in so many ways:

There's an MIAA team that's 5-0....and its not Trine!

Olivet has a conference win - scratch that - a WIN....period. Conference or not...

Michigan State looked to be in the drivers seat for a chance to go to the rose bowl after an impressive win against Wisconsin - before they lose to Nebraska.

Alma has looked like they can beat almost anyone they've played, and have the leading yard getters in passing, rushing, and receiving - but are 1-7 and are scoring the least amount in the MIAA

Hope has a non-conference win - TWO of them!

Minnesota (previously a 1 win team) has the Floyd of Rosedale - for the second year in a row!

Oh yeah, and the Big Ten has two divisions - and Nebraska is one of them

(and I'll throw this one in there because of where I am and I doubt anyone else on this board knows this story):

Alma high school is moving on in the MHSAA d4 tournament - because the team they were playing failed to take a knee on 3rd down with 25 seconds left, and then fumbled, and then allowed Alma to go 70 yards on three plays and 17 seconds to win
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 29, 2011, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2011, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
Well, here goes...

K-Zoo over visiting Alma tonight

Albion wins at Adrian.

Olivet loses at home vs Trine

msu over Nebraska

Michigan in a squeaker against Purdue (this scares me for fear of another Michigan 2nd half collapse)

I will be happy if I get just a couple of these right.    ;)

Threw in the non-MIAA games since they tend to generate the most karma's and smites lately.  :)

Someone please tell me I won't get rained on in Olivet, alhtough I hope for some wicked Thunder to show up!  (Acknowledge stupid pun)   :)  (and obligatory smiley)

Yes, I am quoting myself.   Got every game right except the msu / Nebraska game, and I should have known better on that one.   

There even WAS thunder heard a few times at the game in Olivet.  Strange weather...saw no lightening but did hear thunder a few times.

You went to the Trine game?! Why?! That program is done! I wouldn't waste my time or money!

Insert smiley face
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 08:57:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 08:47:19 PM
Iowa (but they just lost to (gasp!) Minnesota)

Haha why do I sense surprise in your  "voice" ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 29, 2011, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
This is such a weird football season in so many ways:

There's an MIAA team that's 5-0....and its not Trine!

Olivet has a conference win - scratch that - a WIN....period. Conference or not...

Michigan State looked to be in the drivers seat for a chance to go to the rose bowl after an impressive win against Wisconsin - before they lose to Nebraska.

Alma has looked like they can beat almost anyone they've played, and have the leading yard getters in passing, rushing, and receiving - but are 1-7 and are scoring the least amount in the MIAA

Hope has a non-conference win - TWO of them!

Minnesota (previously a 1 win team) has the Floyd of Rosedale - for the second year in a row!

Oh yeah, and the Big Ten has two divisions - and Nebraska is one of them

(and I'll throw this one in there because of where I am and I doubt anyone else on this board knows this story):

Alma high school is moving on in the MHSAA d4 tournament - because the team they were playing failed to take a knee on 3rd down with 25 seconds left, and then fumbled, and then allowed Alma to go 70 yards on three plays and 17 seconds to win

Kudo's to Alma kids and coaches for making something happen with 17 seconds to play! That must have been a wild scene after the final score!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 08:57:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 08:47:19 PM
Iowa (but they just lost to (gasp!) Minnesota)

Haha why do I sense surprise in your  "voice" ;D

To the best of my knowledge, EMU has never beaten a Big Ten team.  This year I would take them by three touchdowns over Minnesota! ;D  Having not seen the game, I can only conclude that the Gophers played out of their minds, or the Hawkeyes played their worst game of the millenium - and probably both at once to get that result! 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAA in Exile on October 29, 2011, 10:23:03 PM
Congrats to Albion for clinching a share of the MIAA title...and I think the auto bid as they have beaten the only teams wh could tie them.  Well done Brits.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 10:27:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 08:57:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2011, 08:47:19 PM
Iowa (but they just lost to (gasp!) Minnesota)

Haha why do I sense surprise in your  "voice" ;D

To the best of my knowledge, EMU has never beaten a Big Ten team.  This year I would take them by three touchdowns over Minnesota! ;D  Having not seen the game, I can only conclude
that the Gophers played out of their minds, or the Hawkeyes played their worst game of the millenium - and probably both at once to get that result! 8-)

Minnesota played how they did in the USC game. Solid d. Ran the ball authorititevly. Limited mistakes and TOs and Iowa had absoltelt ZERO answer to anything involving he name Marquise Gray
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 30, 2011, 01:14:45 AM
Earlier this year I was convinced I had seen one of the 2 or 3 worst Big Ten teams in the past 3 decades when I saw Minnesota.

Sometimes teams get better, clearly Marquis Gray did.  Never underestimate what emotion can do for 18 to 22 years old kids in an athletic event.


Mr. Y---EMU could hang with most of the bottom half of the Big Ten, they aren't bad this year.  They are 0-18 vs the Big Ten all-time, all since 1990 (which seems odd).

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/confres.pl?start=1920&end=2010&team=Eastern+Michigan&limit=50

As a matter of fact, EMU has never beaten a team from one of the major BCS conferences.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 30, 2011, 01:16:35 AM
Clearly no one on here is an MIAA expert......I don't think anyone picked Albion to win the league.  :o ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2011, 01:29:39 AM
Yeah, after decades of frustration, EMU will probably go bowling this year!

They certainly should beat both Kent State and Akron, and have a decent shot at beating Ball State and NIU, finishing somewhere between 7-5 and 9-3.  I'm not used to this sort of behavior! ;D

I am a HUGE Ron English fan. :)  So which big-time school will steal him away this winter? :P  (The last time we went to a bowl (1987?), the coach was immediately hired by Cal.)

Has anyone detected that I'm a very nervous Hurons (not Eagles) fan?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2011, 01:34:20 AM
BTW, congrats to the Brits for winning the AQ!

I confess I thought 3rd at best, and after seeing what Alma almost did to my Titans, I figured 4th. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 30, 2011, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on October 28, 2011, 05:21:10 PM

I'm sure I would, have you read it? Do you recommend it?

I have not read "3 and out", but have read several excerpts and a lengthy commentary by the author.   It seems well written, and the author had some unreal access.  The general consensus from the M blog I follow is its a must read if you like Michigan football and it will break your heart.


Its not a book I will read any time in the near future, maybe a few years from now.  (but then I'm just not a big fan of sports books anyway)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 30, 2011, 01:37:12 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2011, 01:29:39 AM
I am a HUGE Ron English fan. :)  So which big-time school will steal him away this winter? :P  (The last time we went to a bowl (1987?), the coach was immediately hired by Cal.)

English is from California, I wouldn't be surprised if he interviewed for the Arizona job.  UCLA will probably be open as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 30, 2011, 02:35:49 AM
Hats off to Albion. They played a solid game and capitalized on turnovers which was huge. The turnover bug was Adrians downfall today, not many times will you have 5 INT in a game and expect to come out on the winning end, especially when one is a pick 6. Albion did a good job of being in the right place at the right time and taking away the deep outside throws, I hate to give them credit as I hate to see them beat Adrian when all the cards are on the table, but they executed when needed today including two big TD runs that were about as well executed as I can recall seeing, one for Clinton Orr and then one for his backup after Orr went out. I hold out some hope that if Adrian runs the table and ends at 9-1 they may end up with an at large bid, but we have all seen in the past that the selection committee is unlikely to give an at large birth to an MIAA team.  All Adrian can do now is win out and hope for the best (A Tri State win in week 10 for a split title, I refuse to call it Trine) and still end with a fine season, thought it is always disappointing to some close and see the chance slip away.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2011, 03:41:26 AM
Welcome  back ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 30, 2011, 10:57:15 AM
Quote from: sac on October 30, 2011, 01:16:35 AM
Clearly no one on here is an MIAA expert......I don't think anyone picked Albion to win the league.  :o ;)

I picked "An A school to contend with Trine" is that close enough?  ;)

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2011, 03:41:26 AM
Welcome  back ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE!


And a welcome from me as well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 30, 2011, 11:58:12 AM
Let me apologize Adidas. I had been spending all afternoon trying to talk down my fellow Spartan fans. Had an itchy trigger finger. My bad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 30, 2011, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: Stinger on October 30, 2011, 11:58:12 AM
Let me apologize Adidas. I had been spending all afternoon trying to talk down my fellow Spartan fans. Had an itchy trigger finger. My bad.

No need to apologize! If i dish it out I have to take to it in return, and you can tell by my amazingly high number in the Karma category that I like to dish it out.

Sorry your Spartans lost (not very sorry, I am a Wolverine fan) but still sorry.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 30, 2011, 04:18:42 PM
MSU certainly didn't play well, and took it on the chin. I think Roushar (OC) paid a little bit for his predictably and KC definitely made some mistakes and forced the ball when he didn't have too. I'm disappointed MSU didn't adjust to the the split field bracket coverage and two high shell look during the early stages of the game. I felt like MSU really tried to stress the ball into the deep seams when the under zones or "shot zones" were open after clearing routes.

It also surprised me MSU didn't work to establish the run game against a four and five man front with the backers breaking to the seams and hooks. It was a 4 v run, 7 v pass most of the game, yet MSU simply showed no interest in going between the tackles against their High 2 coverage shell. As a result MSU often ended up in OPS (obvious passing situations), and the results were less then favorable. But alas, I'm sure they'll learn from it, Octobers been a LONG but rather successful month for them, I'm sure they're glad to get into November.  ;)

As for the MIAA - congrats to Albion. I really felt their pre-conference schedule would aid them down the stretch in MIAA conference play, and obviously it paid off. Props to them for really testing themselves during the pre-conference. While I though Adrian would beat them it isn't all that surprising to me that Albion won.

Again congratulations to Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2011, 04:26:43 PM
Randon thoughts after yesterday's games:

1) Well, I am absolutely shocked that Adrian had a letdown and lost to Albion.  Which makes our (Hope's) loss to Albion that much more disappointing.  While Albion has obviously improved over the weeks, still, I'm not sure whether they or Adrian would be the best team to represent our conference as far as having a chance to advance to the second week of the playoffs.

2) As many of you have already mentioned, indeed, Alma is having a very tough season.  I'm sure Coach Cole and his coaching staff and the entire team are more than frustrated.  A nice win at home for Kazoo to stop their slide the past 2-3 weeks.  Still, disappointing that they only drew in the mid-600's for attendance for that home game played in Western Michigan University's Waldo Stadium.

3) Michigan State played as I thought they would against Nebraska.  My previous opinion on them still stands.  We'll see what happens.

4) In following up on Mr. Ypsi's and sac's posts regarding Eastern Michigan; wow, they stand at 5-3 and have an outside chance at the MAC title game.  They should beat Kent State, although the other games will be tough.  Still, they only had just over 6,600 for their Homecoming game win over Western Michigan.  Pretty sad for a D-I team, although obviously, we've discussed this topic before.  Wabash has had crowds in the mid 5,000's, so they are drawing almost as good (actually better if  you average the home game attendance).  Anyway, I agree that if Coach English has Eastern in a winning season, he will again be a "hot prospective" coaching candidate for some other bigger school, returning to that status he had before taking the Eastern Michigan job.  Some have said that job would be a "career killer" for most coaches.  Obviously, time will tell for his case scenario.  If he is smart, he'll "get the h___out of Dodge, oops, I mean Ypsilanti" if he gets the chance! ;D :D :o ::) :P :o ::) :)  Regardless, it is good to see Eastern Michigan with a winning record so far, although they've been blown out by Michigan and Toledo.  Also, you guys were mentioning Eastern's record against some of the bigger teams.  Since we are on the topic of past oppoents, although this one is small, how about remembering this record? - Eastern last played Hope College in 1958 and lost to Hope 19-7, the second year in row. Wow! ;D :) ::) :o :o

BTW, since Eastern beat Central Michigan, what are you opinions about what that does to the status of Dan Enos' job?  I realize this is only his second year there, however, it seems they are going backwards instead of making progress, at least from what I've seen/heard.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2011, 04:28:48 PM
BTW, yes, let me join the others in welcoming ADAWG back posting with us.  It has been to long, friend.  Keep posting one here once in awhile, will you?! :)  Hope all is well with you.

Also, a welcome to MIAA In Exile and welcome back to stinger! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on October 30, 2011, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 30, 2011, 04:26:43 PM
Randon thoughts after yesterday's games:

1) Well, I am absolutely shocked that Adrian had a letdown and lost to Albion.  Which makes our (Hope's) loss to Albion that much more disappointing.  While Albion has obviously improved over the weeks, still, I'm not sure whether they or Adrian would be the best team to represent our conference as far as having a chance to advance to the second week of the playoffs.

2) As many of you have already mentioned, indeed, Alma is having a very tough season.  I'm sure Coach Cole and his coaching staff and the entire team are more than frustrated.  A nice win at home for Kazoo to stop their slide the past 2-3 weeks.  Still, disappointing that they only drew in the mid-600's for attendance for that home game played in Western Michigan University's Waldo Stadium.

3) Michigan State played as I thought they would against Nebraska.  My previous opinion on them still stands.  We'll see what happens.

4) In following up on Mr. Ypsi's and sac's posts regarding Eastern Michigan; wow, they stand at 5-3 and have an outside chance at the MAC title game.  They should beat Kent State, although the other games will be tough.  Still, they only had just over 6,600 for their Homecoming game win over Western Michigan.  Pretty sad for a D-I team, although obviously, we've discussed this topic before.  Wabash has had crowds in the mid 5,000's, so they are drawing almost as good (actually better if  you average the home game attendance).  Anyway, I agree that if Coach English has Eastern in a winning season, he will again be a "hot prospective" coaching candidate for some other bigger school, returning to that status he had before taking the Eastern Michigan job.  Some have said that job would be a "career killer" for most coaches.  Obviously, time will tell for his case scenario.  Regardless, it is good to see Eastern Michigan with a winning record so far, although they've been blown out by Michigan and Toledo.  Also, you guys were mentioning Eastern's record against some of the bigger teams.  Since we are on the topic of past oppoents, although this one is small, how about remembering this record? - Eastern last played Hope College in 1958 and lost to Hope 19-7, the second year in row. Wow! ;D :) ::) :o :o

BTW, since Eastern beat Central Michigan, what are you opinions about what that does to the status of Dan Enos' job?  I realize this is only his second year there, however, it seems they are going backwards instead of making progress, at least from what I've seen/heard.



The seat is warm from what I hear, the WMU loss was probably the most unbearable to most CMU people and the EMU lose was just frustrating to most of them. Not sure, but maybe Danny will let Watts start calling the plays as a possible solution next year, then again, that assuming Watts doesn't jet.

By the way, 3-1 was a decent run for MSU during the October stretch. I'm sure that's better then you thought they would be (it's better then I thought they would be), their last great test is a road trip to Hawkeye country. If they do well to close out, I think they have they'll be playing in Indy.

Oh and btw Stinger, you're pretty much accurate.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 30, 2011, 04:43:01 PM
Formerd3db,

No doubt a few surprizes on Saturday. Hope as a chance to win against a shocked Adrian team. Not many thought they would lose to Albion, but it happened. With 2 weeks left, we'll see how MIAA finishes. Early in the year, Trine was picked to win the conference. I would say the conference became much more competitive this fall! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: kzoodad on October 30, 2011, 06:07:55 PM
glad for the seniors at kzoo. well played game for the most part.thought a couple times they were gonna have a brain fart late in the game, but stepped it up and played tough down the stretch. proud of each and everyone of them especially the seniors that stepped up at the end.sorry a fans, not that impressed with alma this year. you have owned us in the past, but my opinion is just my opinion.last game next week against trine, and gonna be looking for the bus.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2011, 04:55:23 PM
kzoodad:
Indeed, that was a great way for the senior to finish their home careers.  BTW, the construction photos and architect/engineering renditions of the new athletic facilities at Angell Field/Fieldhouse, including the new football stadium look excellent.  They even have a vistors side press box for the visiting coaching staffs.  I see where many of the small colleges and universities are doing that now when they renovate and/or build new stadiums.  Anyway, good luck in Kazoo's final game.  You will enjoy playing in front of a big crowd down at Trine - they have a great stadium now also.

Raider68:

I would agree with you in the MIAA's apparent better competitiveness this year.  The real test will again come in regards to how far our representative will be able to advance in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 31, 2011, 11:01:21 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 08:54:45 PM

Alma high school is moving on in the MHSAA d4 tournament - because the team they were playing failed to take a knee on 3rd down with 25 seconds left, and then fumbled, and then allowed Alma to go 70 yards on three plays and 17 seconds to win

This game reference between Alma high and Chippewa Hills may have passed by some people so here's a write-up from yahoo sports.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Instead-of-taking-a-knee-team-fumbles-away-play?urn=highschool-wp7855

This happened to the Philadelphia Eagles once a long time ago.

Alma now gets the pleasure of hosting the Escanaba Eskymos in round 2.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2011, 11:12:52 PM
Quote from: sac on October 31, 2011, 11:01:21 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 29, 2011, 08:54:45 PM

Alma high school is moving on in the MHSAA d4 tournament - because the team they were playing failed to take a knee on 3rd down with 25 seconds left, and then fumbled, and then allowed Alma to go 70 yards on three plays and 17 seconds to win

This game reference between Alma high and Chippewa Hills may have passed by some people so here's a write-up from yahoo sports.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Instead-of-taking-a-knee-team-fumbles-away-play?urn=highschool-wp7855

This happened to the Philadelphia Eagles once a long time ago.

Alma now gets the pleasure of hosting the Escanaba Eskymos in round 2.

Thanks for the link, sac.  +1

What a brain fart!! ::)

Win or lose, I'll bet Alma will like taking on the Eskymos more than Chippewa Hills will like staying home! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on October 31, 2011, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: sac on October 31, 2011, 11:01:21 PM
This game reference between Alma high and Chippewa Hills may have passed by some people so here's a write-up from yahoo sports.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Instead-of-taking-a-knee-team-fumbles-away-play?urn=highschool-wp7855


Anyone know if the Alma QB, Vinny Costanza, has a famous relative named George?  ;)

Mircle at the Meadowlands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML1Ixd3jiGU)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on November 01, 2011, 10:53:38 AM
My H.S. in NJ did the same thing back in the early 90s. It cost us a regional title. To this day no one has figured out what the qb was thinking. The whole team lined up in victory formation and for some reason he dropped back beyond the running backs and the ball just slipped out of his hand. Since the rest of the team assumed he was taking a knee to end the game, no one did more than token blocking. Some LB came through, scooped up the ball, and ran 70 yards the other direction to score with no time on the clock. I wish I could find some video of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 01, 2011, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: sac on October 25, 2011, 03:52:33 PM

Adrian #48
Albion #82
Trine #103
Hope #114
Alma #158
Kzoo #176
Olivet #188

No one really moved up......Trine moved down 16 places, Kzoo down 17.

???....you would think Hope would have moved up given their win over Trine.  What's going on here?  Well, a couple of Hope's non-conference opponents took it on the chin this past weekend with Lakeland, Milliken and IWU all losing.  Call it the quirks of a computer formula.  IWU's loss probably hurt the most because they were easily Hope's strongest component in their ranking and IWU was shut-out in their first loss of the year.

Massey now favors Albion over Trine at season's end 24-21.

The big one this weekend massey has Adrian beating Albion 28-21

This weekend's other two games
Trine 38 Olivet 21
Alma 31 Kzoo 28

Last week's massey ratings quoted above.  This week's below

Albion #62
Adrian #67
Trine #101
Hope #112
Kzoo #167
Alma #170
Olivet #192

Obviously Albion moves up big, Adrian drops big.  Alma and Kzoo flop positions.

Next week's predictions:
Albion 23 DePauw 10
Adrian 24 Hope 17
Trine 31 Kzoo 18
Alma 35 Olivet 26

Albion's game with DePauw is completely meaningless for the Britons, they are in the NCAA tournament as the AQ.

Massey still has Albion a narrow favorite over Trine next weekend.
Albion 24 Trine 20




Albion has won at least a share of the MIAA, back on top after 6 years.  Their 6 year drought has been their longest without a title since 1978-1984 when Hope and Adrian were busy trading championships.

I think this is title #34 for the Britons, and assures that Albion has won an MIAA football championship in every decade since competition began in 1894.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 01, 2011, 03:41:25 PM
OFF TOPIC RANT: Halloween Night

To the idiot parents who literally drive their kids door to door in their mini-vans, you suck.

To the kids who are texting in one hand while holding out a bag in the other: you suck.

To the 20 year old dude that show up at the door pretending to be dressed as "the common man": even though it was some what amusing, you suck too.

Finally when it was lights out at 9pm and the street was pretty quiet a neighbor stopped by for a beer so I turned the light back on so he could see the decorations. This is about 9:50-10pm. Within a minute a car pulled up in front of the house and 5 kids piled out and ran to the front door, followed by a Baptist Church van with 9 or 10 kids.... I had to go into the back-up (my) stash of candy - you know, the good stuff...

For that - I suck, I should not have been so eager to show of my wife's decorations....

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 01, 2011, 04:14:19 PM
Quote from: BoBo on October 31, 2011, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: sac on October 31, 2011, 11:01:21 PM
This game reference between Alma high and Chippewa Hills may have passed by some people so here's a write-up from yahoo sports.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Instead-of-taking-a-knee-team-fumbles-away-play?urn=highschool-wp7855


Anyone know if the Alma QB, Vinny Costanza, has a famous relative named George?  ;)

Mircle at the Meadowlands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML1Ixd3jiGU)

Vinny's a great kid athletically and academically, and I hope the coaches at Alma are giving him a look, he has the potential to play at the next level and it'd be a shame to let someone else find him.....

Also, I loved in the story how at the end they say a questionable call, it wasn't even close, the ball popped free at contact....I hope they mean questionable PLAY-call  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on November 01, 2011, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 01, 2011, 03:41:25 PM
OFF TOPIC RANT: Halloween Night

To the idiot parents who literally drive their kids door to door in their mini-vans, you suck.

To the kids who are texting in one hand while holding out a bag in the other: you suck.

To the 20 year old dude that show up at the door pretending to be dressed as "the common man": even though it was some what amusing, you suck too.

Finally when it was lights out at 9pm and the street was pretty quiet a neighbor stopped by for a beer so I turned the light back on so he could see the decorations. This is about 9:50-10pm. Within a minute a car pulled up in front of the house and 5 kids piled out and ran to the front door, followed by a Baptist Church van with 9 or 10 kids.... I had to go into the back-up (my) stash of candy - you know, the good stuff...

For that - I suck, I should not have been so eager to show of my wife's decorations....

sounds like a lot more fun on halloween night in michigan than in illinois.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
Did anyone else read this article about Albion senior Julian Paksi?

http://www.freep.com/article/20111030/SPORTS08/110300589/Until-final-snap-Albion-senior-puts-transplant-hold-football

Hope that he enjoys a long D3 playoff run this year as well.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 01, 2011, 10:22:25 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
Did anyone else read this article about Albion senior Julian Paksi?

http://www.freep.com/article/20111030/SPORTS08/110300589/Until-final-snap-Albion-senior-puts-transplant-hold-football

Hope that he enjoys a long D3 playoff run this year as well.


I may have.  ;)  Good to see the freep pick up the story, much more in depth than the one the State Journal ran in August (which is no longer available).

Quote from: sac on August 02, 2011, 08:29:55 PM
If you are going to root for anybody this fall, root for Albion's Julian Paksi......worth the read.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20110801/SPORTS/108010312/College-football-St-Johns-graduate-Paksi-playing-for-his-life?odyssey=tab
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 02, 2011, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
Did anyone else read this article about Albion senior Julian Paksi?

http://www.freep.com/article/20111030/SPORTS08/110300589/Until-final-snap-Albion-senior-puts-transplant-hold-football

Hope that he enjoys a long D3 playoff run this year as well.

Great story, had no idea that Albion had a guy with that much perseverance on the team, really puts everything in perspective and shows the true love of the game thats present at the DIII level.

On another note, what does anyone think the odds are of the MIAA placing two teams in the playoffs, assuming Adrian can win out and finish 9-1? I know in the past this has been a reach to assume there would be two strong teams from the MIAA that could make it, but Adrian (if they win out) will only have one loss in the region, to Albion and Albion will also only have one loss in the region. As an Adrian guy Im curious if this situation could play out assuming Adrian takes care of business the next two weeks. Anyone else have anything to offer one way or the other on the idea?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 02, 2011, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 02, 2011, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
Did anyone else read this article about Albion senior Julian Paksi?

http://www.freep.com/article/20111030/SPORTS08/110300589/Until-final-snap-Albion-senior-puts-transplant-hold-football

Hope that he enjoys a long D3 playoff run this year as well.

Great story, had no idea that Albion had a guy with that much perseverance on the team, really puts everything in perspective and shows the true love of the game thats present at the DIII level.

On another note, what does anyone think the odds are of the MIAA placing two teams in the playoffs, assuming Adrian can win out and finish 9-1? I know in the past this has been a reach to assume there would be two strong teams from the MIAA that could make it, but Adrian (if they win out) will only have one loss in the region, to Albion and Albion will also only have one loss in the region. As an Adrian guy Im curious if this situation could play out assuming Adrian takes care of business the next two weeks. Anyone else have anything to offer one way or the other on the idea?

Adrian DOES have a couple of non-conference wins against .500 or better teams, so perhaps those odds are not so bad.  And I believe the MIAA in general has done a little bit better than in the past from a non-conference perspective.  I would like to see it happen.

The only caveat I would like to throw in to your scenario is what effect it would have if Trine beats Albion.  Or if DePauw beats Albion, for that matter.  Will that make Adrian's loss to Albion look worse, even though Adrian beat Trine?  I am not sure what the "national" perspective of Trine is right now, even though they are 6-2 and COULD finish 8-2.  (yep, I am biased).  If you are an Adrian fan you want Albion to win out.

All this thinking is hurting my head.  I better go back to work where I do not have to think any more.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on November 02, 2011, 12:15:07 PM
Yes, let them in please, then send them to UWW if you would be so kind!  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 02, 2011, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on November 02, 2011, 12:15:07 PM
Yes, let them in please, then send them to UWW if you would be so kind!  ;D  ;)

Yes, I understand there would be a little more intensity to this game if it were to happen based on past scheduling issues.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 02, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 02, 2011, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
Did anyone else read this article about Albion senior Julian Paksi?

http://www.freep.com/article/20111030/SPORTS08/110300589/Until-final-snap-Albion-senior-puts-transplant-hold-football

Hope that he enjoys a long D3 playoff run this year as well.

Great story, had no idea that Albion had a guy with that much perseverance on the team, really puts everything in perspective and shows the true love of the game thats present at the DIII level.

On another note, what does anyone think the odds are of the MIAA placing two teams in the playoffs, assuming Adrian can win out and finish 9-1? I know in the past this has been a reach to assume there would be two strong teams from the MIAA that could make it, but Adrian (if they win out) will only have one loss in the region, to Albion and Albion will also only have one loss in the region. As an Adrian guy Im curious if this situation could play out assuming Adrian takes care of business the next two weeks. Anyone else have anything to offer one way or the other on the idea?

If there are two 9-1 teams from the MIAA, then one gets the automatic bid. The other team will struggle to earn another bid given the SOS and many other teams competing for a spot. The regional rankings could tell directionally where the NCAA is leaning! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 02, 2011, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 02, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 02, 2011, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
Did anyone else read this article about Albion senior Julian Paksi?

http://www.freep.com/article/20111030/SPORTS08/110300589/Until-final-snap-Albion-senior-puts-transplant-hold-football

Hope that he enjoys a long D3 playoff run this year as well.

Great story, had no idea that Albion had a guy with that much perseverance on the team, really puts everything in perspective and shows the true love of the game thats present at the DIII level.

On another note, what does anyone think the odds are of the MIAA placing two teams in the playoffs, assuming Adrian can win out and finish 9-1? I know in the past this has been a reach to assume there would be two strong teams from the MIAA that could make it, but Adrian (if they win out) will only have one loss in the region, to Albion and Albion will also only have one loss in the region. As an Adrian guy Im curious if this situation could play out assuming Adrian takes care of business the next two weeks. Anyone else have anything to offer one way or the other on the idea?

If there are two 9-1 teams from the MIAA, then one gets the automatic bid. The other team will struggle to earn another bid given the SOS and many other teams competing for a spot. The regional rankings could tell directionally where the NCAA is leaning! :-\

I agree - the tough part of playing in the MIAA is I think that teams with similar records in other stronger conferences have a better shot at the last playoff spots. This said, like anything, I'm sure it's a bit political. So one can never tell. I hope they both get in, and if Trine can pull the upset at Albion, it should be interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2011, 06:58:31 PM
Bad news for those of us hoping for a Pool C for Adrian.  Regional rankings are out, and Adrian isn't in them, but at least 3-4 Pool C competitors are (in the North alone).  It would take a miraculous string of results for Adrian to become viable (or even 'reach the table').
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2011, 06:03:23 PM
Yes, even if Adrian wins out, it doesn't look like they'd get any consideration for an at-large bid.  If other teams who might potentially go 9-1 were to lose and thus obviously not be 9-1, would that make any difference?  In other words, would 8-2 teams from some other regions most likely get the nod over a 9-1 Adrian team?  The bottom line is that Adrian blew it in losing to Albion.  Hopefully, Albion will have enough strength to do something in the playoffs, and although I hope they do and they have been playing well of recent, still after seeing them play, I have my doubts. 

Adrian will no doubt be coming into our place with a passion to avenge last week's loss.  Although at home for us at Hope, it will be another tough game.  As we have said all season long...if the "good" Hope team shows up, a win is within grasp and very attainable.  However, if that "other team" makes an appeareance, all I can say is..."LOOK OUT"!!! :o ::)  I am hoping that we'll have a nice weather day (perhaps one of the last of the season), although perhaps that is too much to ask for and, in part, because it is November after all.  So I am bringing both sets of my sideline apparel for this one. 

Hey Mr. Ypsi - somewhat surprising about Eastern Michigan's record so far this year, wouldn't you say?  The MAC as a whole is quite interesting - so much parity.  And those "shootouts" this week with Tues night's Northern Illinois @ Toledo and last night's Temple @ Ohio.  Both of the latter teams are certainly improved; in fact, some people I know have said Temple has looked like a legit Big Ten team at times this year, despite their record.  Nice for them in having started "back up the ladder" to respectability.  Can you say Northwestern anyone? ??? :o ;D :) 

Talk to you all later.
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 03, 2011, 06:03:23 PM
Yes, even if Adrian wins out, it doesn't look like they'd get any consideration for an at-large bid.  If other teams who might potentially go 9-1 were to lose and thus obviously not be 9-1, would that make any difference?  In other words, would 8-2 teams from some other regions most likely get the nod over a 9-1 Adrian team?  The bottom line is that Adrian blew it in losing to Albion.  Hopefully, Albion will have enough strength to do something in the playoffs, and although I hope they do and they have been playing well of recent, still after seeing them play, I have my doubts. 

Adrian will no doubt be coming into our place with a passion to avenge last week's loss.  Although at home for us at Hope, it will be another tough game.  As we have said all season long...if the "good" Hope team shows up, a win is within grasp and very attainable.  However, if that "other team" makes an appeareance, all I can say is..."LOOK OUT"!!! :o ::)  I am hoping that we'll have a nice weather day (perhaps one of the last of the season), although perhaps that is too much to ask for and, in part, because it is November after all.  So I am bringing both sets of my sideline apparel for this one. 

Hey Mr. Ypsi - somewhat surprising about Eastern Michigan's record so far this year, wouldn't you say?  The MAC as a whole is quite interesting - so much parity.  And those "shootouts" this week with Tues night's Northern Illinois @ Toledo and last night's Temple @ Ohio.  Both of the latter teams are certainly improved; in fact, some people I know have said Temple has looked like a legit Big Ten team at times this year, despite their record.  Nice for them in having started "back up the ladder" to respectability.  Can you say Northwestern anyone? ??? :o ;D :) 

Talk to you all later.
formerd3db

formerd3db,

Does look like Adrian would make the playoffs regardless of being 9-1, IMHO!

Adrian vs. Hope could go this way:

1. Adrian take our their anger from last's week loss and wins big.

2. Knowing that Adrian will unlikely make the playoffs, they lose their focus against Hope and lose
    a close one in the 4th Qtr.

3. Hope jumps on Adrian early and wins big.

4. It is a real battle and Hope wins on the last drive or the reverse.

Of the above, #2 or #5 is more likely, IMHO. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2011, 11:33:45 AM
Raider68:

Good potential scenario analysis.  I'm "sitting the fence" on this one because I am just not sure about our Hope team.  At times this year, I've thought we've "turned the corner" and are really ready to start beating up on opponents...well, at least push them so that we most likely would win the game.  Actually, we've had a chance to win every game this season with the exception of the first blow-out loss to IWU.  And on further reflection, in reality we "have turned a part of that corner" because we are a much better/improved team then we have been the past 3 years and, at least, have been competitive this year with chances at winning games.  We've had some very good stints of football performance this year, while at the same time, have had some terrible breakdowns/implosions, often coming at inopportune times i.e. the wrong time of the game, which killed the momentum and sealed the outcome for us.  All that said, I think if we play like we did against Trine two Saturdays ago, we will have a great chance at beating Adrian.

It is somewhat ironic - or perhaps a better description is that it is surprising - that the MIAA race is already decided earlier this year i.e. the AQ and other than a potential co-championship as opposed to the often conclusion coming down to the last 1 or 2 games of the season.  Perhaps somewhat kind of takes the "edge of your seat thrills" out of it for some fans, although obviously that excludes the Albion people. ;D  Of course, as we've discussed, the Adrian crowd is still holding out "hope" that they can get an at-large selection if they win out and do it big, with the help of some losses by some other regional teams.  Of course, for me, I "hope" that Hope wins out and that would be huge accomplishment and compliment to our players and coaching staff.

Now, as far as your alma mater Mount Union, what is your prediction for the game with the "Flaming Pile", oops, I mean B-W? ;D ??? :o ::) :)  From the discussions you guys have been having over on your OAC board, it appears that a HUGE crowd is expected for attendance.  That should be a great atmosphere.  Are you braving the weather and going to the game?

P.S. To Everyone:  It looks like the weather just migh be pretty good this weekend - sunny but cold(er)/crisp.  I'll obviously take that over rain without question and also over grey/cloudiness/overcast. ;) :) Dress warm everyone, for those of you who are going to the games!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 04, 2011, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 04, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 03, 2011, 06:03:23 PM
Yes, even if Adrian wins out, it doesn't look like they'd get any consideration for an at-large bid.  If other teams who might potentially go 9-1 were to lose and thus obviously not be 9-1, would that make any difference?  In other words, would 8-2 teams from some other regions most likely get the nod over a 9-1 Adrian team?  The bottom line is that Adrian blew it in losing to Albion.  Hopefully, Albion will have enough strength to do something in the playoffs, and although I hope they do and they have been playing well of recent, still after seeing them play, I have my doubts. 

Adrian will no doubt be coming into our place with a passion to avenge last week's loss.  Although at home for us at Hope, it will be another tough game.  As we have said all season long...if the "good" Hope team shows up, a win is within grasp and very attainable.  However, if that "other team" makes an appeareance, all I can say is..."LOOK OUT"!!! :o ::)  I am hoping that we'll have a nice weather day (perhaps one of the last of the season), although perhaps that is too much to ask for and, in part, because it is November after all.  So I am bringing both sets of my sideline apparel for this one. 

Hey Mr. Ypsi - somewhat surprising about Eastern Michigan's record so far this year, wouldn't you say?  The MAC as a whole is quite interesting - so much parity.  And those "shootouts" this week with Tues night's Northern Illinois @ Toledo and last night's Temple @ Ohio.  Both of the latter teams are certainly improved; in fact, some people I know have said Temple has looked like a legit Big Ten team at times this year, despite their record.  Nice for them in having started "back up the ladder" to respectability.  Can you say Northwestern anyone? ??? :o ;D :) 

Talk to you all later.
formerd3db

formerd3db,

Does look like Adrian would make the playoffs regardless of being 9-1, IMHO!

Adrian vs. Hope could go this way:

1. Adrian take our their anger from last's week loss and wins big.

2. Knowing that Adrian will unlikely make the playoffs, they lose their focus against Hope and lose
    a close one in the 4th Qtr.

3. Hope jumps on Adrian early and wins big.

4. It is a real battle and Hope wins on the last drive or the reverse.

Of the above, #2 or #5 is more likely, IMHO. :)

Where is this #5 that you speak of?  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2011, 06:48:03 PM
sflzman:

I think he is referring to #5 as being the last half of sentence in #4 - meaning that in a real close battle, Hope wins on the last drive OR the reverse i.e. Adrian wins on the last drive.  #2 is obvious i.e. Hope wins during some portion of the 4th quarter and not necessarily the last drive.  Of course, the reverse of that could happen also i.e. Adrian wins some time during the late portion of the game.

What is your prediction for Alma's performance tomorrow?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2011, 07:01:17 PM
Okay, what happend to the rest of you Trine faithful? BOYA87, TUAngola, adidas28?  Uncle Rico and ThunderHead (and occasionally LIR) have checked in here, however, you others have been quiet of recent.

For that matter, we haven't heard much from our Albion people of recent - and their team has secured the AQ!  Kzoodad (and stinger) have chimed in here on occasion.  sflzman has carried the ball for Alma all season; we've had a few Adrian guys (where are you foreverfootball?) check in on occasion (including ADAWG, who has returned from "exile" ;D)), but our Olivet people have gone AWOL (OC_SID gets an excused absence ;)).

sac, Hopewatcher and DBQ - your thoughts on tomorrow's home final at HMS?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2011, 07:10:11 PM
formerd3db,

Good post! We'll see how your alma mater does on a Nice Saturday in Holland!

It will be another nice day at Mount Union with a large crowd. I expect a fired up B-W team, but so will the
Raiders. It will be a good game, but the believe outcome favors the Raiders. Great defense #1 in D3 and alot of offensive weapons at 45+ pts game.

sflzman,

Number 5 is the reverse of Number 4 as formerd3db mentioned! I expect an Alma victory!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2011, 07:20:33 PM
Thanks Raider68.  I expect to hear of a huge crowd at your Mount Union tomorrow.  Are you going to the game?

Also, here is a question for you and our colleagues.  This obviously does not pertain to DIII, nonetheless, it is a relevent question IMO.  What do you guys think about all these different helmets and uniforms that some of the various DI teams are using this year?  It seems this is becoming more frequent i.e. having 2 or 3 (or more) different helmets and uniforms.  Of course, this is all coming as a result of Oregon.  Yet, while in one sense it is neat to see these "throwback" uniforms and/or new style design helmets/uniforms in games as well as the different uniform combos, on the other hand, I can't quite understand the "why"?  All these universities are crying about the huge cost of their athletic programs, yet they are spending tons of $ for these uniforms, particularly the helmets.  At >$250.00 per helmet, that is a ton of $ and even if they are getting a discount from the athletic equipment/uniform companies for helmets/uniforms, still, that is a big amount of $ just to spend on uni's, especially in these current tough economic times.  Of course, we all know that football brings in the most  revenue for the schools with the exception of some of the $ they get from the March Madness TV network payoffs and the football bowl games; yet, still, spending that kind of $ for additional helmets/uniforms just doesn't quite make sense to me.  Perhaps Michigan did it better in that they kept their helmets and just used "throwback" jerseys, but...of course, Michigan's helmet is unique.  Anyway, what are your opinions? ??? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2011, 09:30:43 PM
As tomorrow is supposed to be pretty decent weatherwise (at least considering that it is November in Michigan! :P), I'm very tempted to go add to the (meager) best-team-in-years EMU crowd, but since EMU and UM are BOTH on national TV at the same time (don't recall that EVER happening before ;)), I'll probably stay home and channel surf.

Go Hurons (I refuse to admit they now call themselves Eagles)!
Go Wolverines!
Go whoever is playing MSU!  (UM can take care of Nebraska themselves, but we need help against the Sparties. :P)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 04, 2011, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 04, 2011, 07:20:33 PM
Perhaps Michigan did it better in that they kept their helmets and just used "throwback" jerseys, but...of course, Michigan's helmet is unique.  Anyway, what are your opinions? ???

In a way, formerd3db, the Michigan helmet is one of the less unique helmets in existence today - if you define unique as being "the only one." The helmet design (albeit different color combinations) is used by countless high schools, at least 4 DIII schools, and of course the Blue Hens of Delaware (copied from Michigan).  I believe Fritz Crisler first used it when he was coaching at Princeton, before going to Michigan (again albeit black and orange) and the Tigers still use it today. I wonder how it ever got to be known as the Michigan helmet? I think it should be considered The Princeton helmet!!

Now, if you define unique as "being without equal, distinctively characteristic, or unusual," than that's a different argument!!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2011, 10:11:17 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 04, 2011, 07:20:33 PM
Thanks Raider68.  I expect to hear of a huge crowd at your Mount Union tomorrow.  Are you going to the game?

Also, here is a question for you and our colleagues.  This obviously does not pertain to DIII, nonetheless, it is a relevent question IMO.  What do you guys think about all these different helmets and uniforms that some of the various DI teams are using this year?  It seems this is becoming more frequent i.e. having 2 or 3 (or more) different helmets and uniforms.  Of course, this is all coming as a result of Oregon.  Yet, while in one sense it is neat to see these "throwback" uniforms and/or new style design helmets/uniforms in games as well as the different uniform combos, on the other hand, I can't quite understand the "why"?  All these universities are crying about the huge cost of their athletic programs, yet they are spending tons of $ for these uniforms, particularly the helmets.  At >$250.00 per helmet, that is a ton of $ and even if they are getting a discount from the athletic equipment/uniform companies for helmets/uniforms, still, that is a big amount of $ just to spend on uni's, especially in these current tough economic times.  Of course, we all know that football brings in the most  revenue for the schools with the exception of some of the $ they get from the March Madness TV network payoffs and the football bowl games; yet, still, spending that kind of $ for additional helmets/uniforms just doesn't quite make sense to me.  Perhaps Michigan did it better in that they kept their helmets and just used "throwback" jerseys, but...of course, Michigan's helmet is unique.  Anyway, what are your opinions? ???

I'm pretty sure the big programs get paid to wear whatever Nike/Adidas give them or whatever is written in the contract.  Michigan gets paid to wear Adidas gear.

http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2007/07/um_leaves_nike_for_adidas.html

Michigan's 2007 deal with Adidas was kind of outrageous at the time (still is when you think about it), I'm sure its been surpassed in value since by someone else, maybe not though.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2011, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 04, 2011, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 04, 2011, 07:20:33 PM
Perhaps Michigan did it better in that they kept their helmets and just used "throwback" jerseys, but...of course, Michigan's helmet is unique.  Anyway, what are your opinions? ???

In a way, formerd3db, the Michigan helmet is one of the less unique helmets in existence today - if you define unique as being "the only one." The helmet design (albeit different color combinations) is used by countless high schools, at least 4 DIII schools, and of course the Blue Hens of Delaware (copied from Michigan).  I believe Fritz Crisler first used it when he was coaching at Princeton, before going to Michigan (again albeit black and orange) and the Tigers still use it today. I wonder how it ever got to be known as the Michigan helmet? I think it should be considered The Princeton helmet!!

Now, if you define unique as "being without equal, distinctively characteristic, or unusual," than that's a different argument!!  ;)

Actually the Tigers stopped using the design when Fritz Crisler left to go to Michigan in 1938.  Princeton resurrected their use of the winged helmet in 1998.

Delaware didn't use it until the 1950's.  Pretty much Michigan has used it the longest, not even sure that can be disputed by anyone, .....not that it stops people from trying. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2011, 10:29:45 PM
Here's an awesome video explaining how Michigan gets its helmets every year......it's worth a watch.  In it, it explained how the "Michigan Wing" is unique to Michigan.

http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2007/07/um_leaves_nike_for_adidas.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2011, 12:11:17 AM
Mr. Ypsi:
If you go to the Eastern Michigan game, I hope you have a great time.  Too bad that our (Hope's) "bye" weekend was last weekend as if it were tomorrow, I might have joined you in going to Ypsi. ;)

BoBo and sac:
Thanks for the info on the Michigan "winged" helmet.  Being that my dad was a "Michigan Man", I knew that.  Actually Crisler designed it so that the QB could see the receivers downfield. Also, did you know that Crisler played for A.A. Stagg?  Delaware used it because of former coach Harold "Tubby" Raymond.  Also, I was wondering if Michigan gets paid royalties for these other teams to use the design.  Actually, there were other teams that used it also - the former Flint (MI) Central High School (which they closed about 3-4 years ago) wore it; back in my collegiate playing days Adrian used it (their former head coach/current Siena Heights University head coach Jim Lyall played for Schembechler at U of Mich), Franklin College used it for a couple of years, currently Grove City (PA) College uses it (they are also called the Wolverines), Jackson (MI) high school uses it as does Godwin Heights (MI) High School, those being among the h.s. schools you mention.  Anyway, it is a neat design, IMO. :)

BTW, too bad that Hope (and other schools) don't get that kind of $ from Adidas for their contracts in having team uniforms, coaching geer, apparel, etc.  Back in "my days at Hope" we had Champion and Puma; Alma College had Reebok for several years in the 1990's until recently switching to Adidas. If those companies gave that kind of $ to the DIII schools, it would solve some of the $ problems for the small schools! ;D ::)  Anyway, thanks again for the info.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2011, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2011, 12:11:17 AM
Mr. Ypsi:
If you go to the Eastern Michigan game, I hope you have a great time.  Too bad that our (Hope's) "bye" weekend was last weekend as if it were tomorrow, I might have joined you in going to Ypsi. ;)

BoBo and sac:
Thanks for the info on the Michigan "winged" helmet.  Being that my dad was a "Michigan Man", I knew that.  Actually Crisler designed it so that the QB could see the receivers downfield. Also, did you know that Crisler played for A.A. Stagg?  Delaware used it because of former coach Harold "Tubby" Raymond.  Also, I was wondering if Michigan gets paid royalties for these other teams to use the design.  Actually, there were other teams that used it also - the former Flint (MI) Central High School (which they closed about 3-4 years ago) wore it; back in my collegiate playing days Adrian used it (their former head coach/current Siena Heights University head coach Jim Lyall played for Schembechler at U of Mich), Franklin College used it for a couple of years, currently Grove City (PA) College uses it (they are also called the Wolverines), Jackson (MI) high school uses it as does Godwin Heights (MI) High School, those being among the h.s. schools you mention.  Anyway, it is a neat design, IMO. :)

BTW, too bad that Hope (and other schools) don't get that kind of $ from Adidas for their contracts in having team uniforms, coaching geer, apparel, etc.  Back in "my days at Hope" we had Champion and Puma; Alma College had Reebok for several years in the 1990's until recently switching to Adidas. If those companies gave that kind of $ to the DIII schools, it would solve some of the $ problems for the small schools! ;D ::)  Anyway, thanks again for the info.

I believe Gustavus Adolphus does too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 05, 2011, 01:25:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2011, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2011, 12:11:17 AM
Mr. Ypsi:
If you go to the Eastern Michigan game, I hope you have a great time.  Too bad that our (Hope's) "bye" weekend was last weekend as if it were tomorrow, I might have joined you in going to Ypsi. ;)

BoBo and sac:
Thanks for the info on the Michigan "winged" helmet.  Being that my dad was a "Michigan Man", I knew that.  Actually Crisler designed it so that the QB could see the receivers downfield. Also, did you know that Crisler played for A.A. Stagg?  Delaware used it because of former coach Harold "Tubby" Raymond.  Also, I was wondering if Michigan gets paid royalties for these other teams to use the design.  Actually, there were other teams that used it also - the former Flint (MI) Central High School (which they closed about 3-4 years ago) wore it; back in my collegiate playing days Adrian used it (their former head coach/current Siena Heights University head coach Jim Lyall played for Schembechler at U of Mich), Franklin College used it for a couple of years, currently Grove City (PA) College uses it (they are also called the Wolverines), Jackson (MI) high school uses it as does Godwin Heights (MI) High School, those being among the h.s. schools you mention.  Anyway, it is a neat design, IMO. :)

BTW, too bad that Hope (and other schools) don't get that kind of $ from Adidas for their contracts in having team uniforms, coaching geer, apparel, etc.  Back in "my days at Hope" we had Champion and Puma; Alma College had Reebok for several years in the 1990's until recently switching to Adidas. If those companies gave that kind of $ to the DIII schools, it would solve some of the $ problems for the small schools! ;D ::)  Anyway, thanks again for the info.

I believe Gustavus Adolphus does too.

Do you know if Middlebury or Grove City still wear it too?

EDIT:  Looked it up - they both do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 05, 2011, 01:40:33 AM
formerd3db,

It wasn't because of Tubby Raymond that Delaware wears the winged helmet.  It was their coach before Raymond, David Nelson who started the Blue Hens wearing it. Nelson arrived at Delaware in 1950. He played at Michigan under Crisler. When Nelson got into coaching (Hillsdale, Maine, Harvard & Deleware), he brought the winged-designed helmet with him every step along the way. He was a very dedicated disciple of Crisler, so to speak.  BTW, it was Nelson who was also the originator or the Delaware Wing-T offense, I believe. Raymond didn't begin as HC of Delaware until 1966.  It was Raymond who perfected the Wing-T (IMO).  One more tidbit about the Blue Hens...they are the only school to have 3 straight HC's enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame.  Bill Murray - no not that one - Nelson and Raymond. (ta-da!!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 05, 2011, 01:45:36 AM
fwiw, wiki says   Grove City, Middlebury, Gustavus Adolphus and Nichols in D3

D2  Southwest Baptist used to use it but stopped, and a couple junior colleges still use it.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 05, 2011, 02:25:03 AM
Michigan high schools that wear the winged helmet...I'm not certain this is all of them, but most of them.  Various color combos and mascots of course.

Algonac
Ashley
Au Gres-Sims
Bad Axe (they even use the number on the side)
Bridgeport
Brimley
Burton Atherton
Carson City-Crystal
Carsonville-Port Sanilac
Cheboygan
Clarkston
Climax-Scotts
Dexter
Evart
Farwell
Fife Lake Forest Area
Hart
Hartland
Indian River Inland Lakes
Jackson
Kent City
Lawrence
Lincoln-Alcona
Madison Heights Madison
Maple City Glen Lake
Manistee
McBain
Otisville Lakeville Memorial
Ottawa Lake Whiteford
Parchment
Peck
Plainwell
Reed City
Saginaw Arthur Hill
Wayne Memorial
Wyoming Godwin Heights
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 05, 2011, 03:45:22 AM
To chime in on all the winged Helmet talk, it definitely has Michigan roots...

http://www.spartanjerseys.com/michigan-state-football-jersey-helmet/winged-helmet/

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 05, 2011, 07:17:27 AM
Quote from: sac on November 05, 2011, 02:25:03 AM
Michigan high schools that wear the winged helmet...I'm not certain this is all of them, but most of them.  Various color combos and mascots of course.

Algonac
Ashley
.
.
.

That's a lot of HS in Michigan to use the wing design. I guess you might find more than a few times two teams wearing the same helmet design, albeit in different color patterns, in the same game. Got me thinking, how may schools actually use this helmet in it's various colors.  I went to MG's Helmets...he has a whole mess of high schools listed by state with their football helmets. Alphabetically, I got through Montana (not counting in the Michigan ones you listed) and counted 69 wings in total. As I got into a few states, what shocked me was the large number of Florida State spear (or similar looking spear) and Wisconsin's motion W logo design on these HS helmets.  Those easily were out numbering the winged helmets. I was surprised.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2011, 08:25:48 AM
Boba and sac:

I knew sac would come through with the "statistics" - he is "the man" for that! :)  Wow, I did not realize there were that many high schools using it.  One example: if Farwell (which is northwest of Alma) is using it, that must have been fairly recent as I don't recall them using it about 10-12 years ago, although I could be wrong (I know a coach who was there who is now at Alma College ;)).  Also, I forgot about Middlebury College using it.  Yes, different color combos: Jackson (MI) H.S. has the same colors as Princeton University and the helmets are the same - black with orange wings.  Wyoming Godwin Heights has used the Michigan helmet (same color scheme - blue with yellow wings - since the mid-1970's.  Grove City College in PA has white helmets with red wings.  Anyway, a very interesting topic, a nice "breather" in between this week's game discussions :D - so now back to our regular "programming", uh, I mean discussions!

Safe travels today everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on November 05, 2011, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: sac on November 05, 2011, 01:45:36 AM
fwiw, wiki says   Grove City, Middlebury, Gustavus Adolphus and Nichols in D3

D2  Southwest Baptist used to use it but stopped, and a couple junior colleges still use it.

When Irv Sigler was our head coach, we had the winged helmets.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 05, 2011, 10:59:39 AM
Good Morning all....

Its a beautiful day to go watch football...should be good for the boys too.....cool, crisp, shunshine.....Its gonna be a GREAT day!

Just a quick weigh in on the helmets...I think that HS that use the 'Michigan' helmet may have to get permission from U of M......It depends on all of the trademarking stuff...If I rememebr right, there was a HS in West Michigan that had to make some changes to their hawkeye logo becuase the University of Iowa thought it was a trademark infringement...This is all part of the everchnging money world of college football and so much royalty money and revenue stream being tied up in school appearal & mechandise for many large schools.....

As for today...its going to be a big day in Holland for both Hope and Adrian...as former d3db has said, it the 'right' Hope team shows up it should be a very exciting and competitive games....I think the Dutchmen are ready to play, and I'm sure Adrian is too...but, we'll see in a couple of hours.....regardless this all bodes well for the MIAA for this year and going forward (as I look at what is potentially coming back for each school)...I know its not neccessarily good from a National Tournament seeding perspective (that single dominant 9-0 high seeded team), but what a great experience for the players and students to be part of a championship race, where every week there is a big games and mutiple teams smashing it out for a conference championship (I guess kinda like the big 10).....Isn't that waht DIII is supposed to be all about......the experiience, the thrills, the sacrifice and the reward (maybe a board topic for next week).......regardless, its going to be a fun day of football.....we're hoping today's big game (they all are for Hope) will be a great one......Go Hope!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 05, 2011, 11:12:41 AM
Quote from: sac on November 04, 2011, 10:20:28 PM
  Pretty much Michigan has used it the longest, not even sure that can be disputed by anyone, .....not that it stops people from trying. ;)


Quote from: ThunderHead on November 05, 2011, 03:45:22 AM
To chime in on all the winged Helmet talk, it definitely has Michigan roots...

http://www.spartanjerseys.com/michigan-state-football-jersey-helmet/winged-helmet/



Exhibit A   ::)


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 05, 2011, 03:37:58 PM
Hope and Adrian going to OT tied at 21.  I think Hope had a big lead, like 2 TD or so kind of lead, then I have no idea what happened.

Alma 24 Olivet 7
Trine 35 Kzoo 21
DePauw 7 Albion 3  (this loss pretty much assures Albion will get Whitewater or Mt. Union, if they weren't already)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 05, 2011, 03:44:52 PM
First OT

Adrian misses FG

Hope drives inside the 10, Adrian stiffens on D......Hope wins on a FG


Hope 24 Adrian 21, Hope's first win vs Adrian since 2007.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 05, 2011, 03:57:40 PM
Just thought of this, but I guess Hope fans should be big Trine fans next weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 05, 2011, 06:15:46 PM
More about today's game later, but looking ahead, you are right...there are no bigger Trine fans in the world for the next week....However, its all for naught if the Dutchmen don't take care of the business they can control at at Olivet......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on November 05, 2011, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: sac on November 05, 2011, 03:44:52 PM
First OT

Adrian misses FG

Hope drives inside the 10, Adrian stiffens on D......Hope wins on a FG


Hope 24 Adrian 21, Hope's first win vs Adrian since 2007.

Good!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 05, 2011, 09:56:37 PM
Okay I ditched the Scots to root for "Old Alma High", as the rip off of Notre Dame's fight song states, in their 25-15 win over Escanaba today to win districts, but talking to some people that were there, they said it was maybe the worst football game they've ever seen. 7 fumbles, including three olivet punt snaps that went over the punters head. Alma also missed three extra points, had their 2 pt conversion to a wide open Ed Raby (yes, the defensive tackle #99) swatted down, and missed a field goal. Olivet's XP bounced off the uprights and went in. And to those of you wondering if it was windy: it wasn't. Alma high who hadn't kicked a field goal all season hit two from 35+....

Ed Mason, who was serving a suspension (sort of) had a stat line of (att - yards - td) 1-1-1...that's a whopping 0.01 % of the total yards for the Scots. If that percentage seems high, it is, considering Alma only had 222 yards of total offense....

One positive, was that Anthony Sabatella had 17 tackles, which increases his lead in the MIAA race to be tackles champion to a 4 tackle cusion (yeah thats spelled wrong but I have no idea how to spell it so I'll leave it).

All in all. Two bad teams = one ugly game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2011, 10:36:38 PM
OC_SID:
Yes, how could I have forgotten that? ??? ::)  I did like those helmets!  Sorry Olivet lost today, both in football and the MIAA soccer championship.  Right after our football game got done in which we blew a huge lead and won in OT on the FG as has been mentioned already, I caught the end of the soccer game.  As you know, with the score tied 1-1, Hope blew it open with 3 straight goals in the last 5 minutes of the game (a couple on breakaways, the other on a free penalty kick).  A great day for footgball and soccer in regards to the weather and some huge crowds at Hope for Family (formerly Parents) Weekend.  I hope that next weekends weather holds the same.

Hopewatcher:
Good analysis.  Sorry I missed you at the game today. 

sflzman:
Well, I can certainly understand the analysis/opinion of the game, but I guess...a win is a win!  You'll take it anytime! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2011, 08:51:31 AM
The official attendance listed for yesterday's game at Hope was 3125.  Our attendance this year was up.  The official listings for the five home games were as follows:
3380, 1400, 3050, 3475 and 3125.  IMO, there were more than 1400 for that Millikin game, however, since Hope keeps meticulous attendance stats (and I've argued that here for a long-time ;D), my contention regarding that attendance figure for the Millikin game may sound like a contradiction or hypocritical (or both ;D ::) :o :)).  Anyway, the "supposed" average home game attendance then was 2886, although in my mind, it was just over 3000. :o ::) ;) :D.  Regardless, it was nice to see the support increased support this year, returning to what we are accustomed to historically, although it does help when you win. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 06, 2011, 09:51:34 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2011, 08:51:31 AM
The official attendance listed for yesterday's game at Hope was 3125.  Our attendance this year was up.  The official listings for the five home games were as follows:
3380, 1400, 3050, 3475 and 3125.  IMO, there were more than 1400 for that Millikin game, however, since Hope keeps meticulous attendance stats (and I've argued that here for a long-time ;D), my contention regarding that attendance figure for the Millikin game may sound like a contradiction or hypocritical (or both ;D ::) :o :)).  Anyway, the "supposed" average home game attendance then was 2886, although in my mind, it was just over 3000. :o ::) ;) :D.  Regardless, it was nice to see the support increased support this year, returning to what we are accustomed to historically, although it does help when you win. :)

formerd3db,

Great game at Hope on Saturday! You have to be pleased and also that the MIAA has been very competitive this season! :)

From an earlier post, I guess the outcome was #4! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 06, 2011, 10:15:44 AM
Sounds like it was a great game at Hope yesterday, congrats to the Flying Dutchmen! I hate to admit it but I was hoping Adrian could run the table and the possibly get an at large playoff bid and see two MIAA teams go doancing. I know it was going to be along shot but it would have been nice to see.

What are your thoughts on Albion going west to play Whitewater or staying in the north and pying Mt. Union in two weeks?

Yesterday was definitely a great day for watching football.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 06, 2011, 02:27:56 PM
Good Afternoon.....

It was a great day to watch football and for the Hope faithful all the way around....

It was a great win for the Dutchmen, but some will focus on the Adrian 21 point comeback and characterize it as a Hope failure  >:(......here are a few random thoughts about that topic and the game....

1. The fact is that Adrian is a good football team (7-0 at one point, previously ranked in the top 25 etc), and it should be more of a suprise that they were down 21-0 than the fact that they made a comeback....The comeback says alot of positive about their character and the kind of competitors that they are....They never quit.....and Hope played them tough......

2. It was interesting to look at the stats...In Adrian's first 8 possessions, they only passed the ball 9 times...and had a really tough time rushing against the Hope defense (I do remember one fairly long run in the first quarter, but not much else)....They threw the ball 16 times (completeing 13) in the 3 scoring possessions late in the game....None of the completions were really 'long gainers'...I don't think this means that Adrian should have thrown the whole game, but between the possibility that Hope playing more of a prevent style coverage, Hope getting burned a couple of times, a couple of penalties, along with some good execution worked out for the Bulldogs during this time.....Also, I'm not sure it was sustainable as they were 0-5 passing in their last 4Q possession and in OT.....Not sure if any of this matters for anything, but I thought it was interesting as it was the way they set up their 3 short run scores.....

3. This game felt different for Hope than others had is the recent memory...Hope came out really ready to play and it showed.....They did a nice job of getting on top when they need to.....Also, It felt different late in the game. In the recent past it seemed like an opoonent scoring run like this would have spelled disaster...In this case the team seemed to keep their head about them, buckled down and played with determined confidence to win (versus not to lose)...even when the crowd got really relly quiet at one point, the the players on the field, the kids on the sideline and the coaching staff never let up.....this was really encouraging, shows the progress this team has made, and, hopefully, bodes well for the future.......building on this success will be critical for them......   

All in all it was a great day for football.....but one more game remains, and Hope needs to get ready for the next 'big game' at Olivet...they can't look by anybody and need to stay focused on the Comets, play hard and finish the season with a win......and, HOPE, good things will happen.....Go Hope!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2011, 02:33:38 PM
Thanks Raider68.  Yes, it has been much more enjoyable this year.  We haven't quite got back to "that level" and before we can go on to "the next level", we still have to have some improvements for next year.  However, our QB Atwell has tremendously improved this year, our running game is good; we need to get some receivers like we had a few recent years ago who "could catch everything and anything" and continue to get some big linemen.  Secondary was better this year than in previous years, but still had some breakdowns.  Anyway, I expect a win against Olivet next weekend, but...as you know, we are playing at their place and it is always a tough game for Hope @ Olivet, especially when it has been the last game or near last game of the season.  Also, Olivet has played pretty well at their home stadium, despite their record.

You guys appear to have had a "barnburner" down there at Mount yesterday.  No disrespcet, but it appears that Mount got lucky and escaped with the win. ;D

adidas:
Thanks for the congrats to our team also.  Yes, it was a beautiful day and great outcome for us both in football and soccer as I mentioned.  No problem with you rooting for Adrian in the sense that it would have been nice to have a possible 2nd team be selected for the playoffs.  As neat as that would have been for our MIAA, still deep down and obviously I could not root for that at all i.e. rooting for Hope all the way! :)  With that said, I will obviously be rooting for Trine next weekend.  If both Hope and Trine win, we get to share the title and that would be huge for our program, the players and our coaching staff (not to forget mentioning our fans! ;D).

Regarding your question about Albion's chances against either Mount or Whitwater, as much as I'd like to see our MIAA representative advance in the playoffs, I think their chances are "little or none" ::) :o, unfortunately.  But... as we all know, anything can happen on any Saturday. :D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2011, 02:37:46 PM
hopewatcher:
Excellent post and I think your summary/analysis of the game is "right on".  Indeed, the attitude is what made the difference.  Also, we both agree about next weekend at Olivet!  I am hoping and praying for one last great weather Saturday!

P.S. Since I gave you +k for a recent great post, I'll give you another for this one when the "time limit" is up for that! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 06, 2011, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2011, 02:33:38 PM
Thanks Raider68.  Yes, it has been much more enjoyable this year.  We haven't quite got back to "that level" and before we can go on to "the next level", we still have to have some improvements for next year.  However, our QB Atwell has tremendously improved this year, our running game is good; we need to get some receivers like we had a few recent years ago who "could catch everything and anything" and continue to get some big linemen.  Secondary was better this year than in previous years, but still had some breakdowns.  Anyway, I expect a win against Olivet next weekend, but...as you know, we are playing at their place and it is always a tough game for Hope @ Olivet, especially when it has been the last game or near last game of the season.  Also, Olivet has played pretty well at their home stadium, despite their record.

You guys appear to have had a "barnburner" down there at Mount yesterday.  No disrespcet, but it appears that Mount got lucky and escaped with the win. ;D

adidas:
Thanks for the congrats to our team also.  Yes, it was a beautiful day and great outcome for us both in football and soccer as I mentioned.  No problem with you rooting for Adrian in the sense that it would have been nice to have a possible 2nd team be selected for the playoffs.  As neat as that would have been for our MIAA, still deep down and obviously I could not root for that at all i.e. rooting for Hope all the way! :)  With that said, I will obviously be rooting for Trine next weekend.  If both Hope and Trine win, we get to share the title and that would be huge for our program, the players and our coaching staff (not to forget mentioning our fans! ;D).

Regarding your question about Albion's chances against either Mount or Whitwater, as much as I'd like to see our MIAA representative advance in the playoffs, I think their chances are "little or none" ::) :o, unfortunately.  But... as we all know, anything can happen on any Saturday. :D :)

formerd3db,

See my post on the OAC board  in reference to................it appears that Mount got lucky and escaped with the win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 06, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2011, 02:37:46 PM
hopewatcher:
Excellent post and I think your summary/analysis of the game is "right on".  Indeed, the attitude is what made the difference.  Also, we both agree about next weekend at Olivet!  I am hoping and praying for one last great weather Saturday!



early forecast is for partly sunny and 49
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2011, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: sac on November 06, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2011, 02:37:46 PM
hopewatcher:
Excellent post and I think your summary/analysis of the game is "right on".  Indeed, the attitude is what made the difference.  Also, we both agree about next weekend at Olivet!  I am hoping and praying for one last great weather Saturday!



early forecast is for partly sunny and 49

I could go for that without question!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on November 06, 2011, 05:42:36 PM
Havent seen a Trine game summary yet so here it goes.

Absolutely beautiful day at Zollner Stadium and great turn out in the stands for senior day.  Campus was alive with visiting students and football recruits for the game and they had a great day to visit.

Trine looked to be pretty well in control the hole game although when it came time to put the dagger in them, they lacked the capacity to finish them off.  Kalamazoo being a much improved team showed a little life at the end of the game to maybe put a small shadow of doubt into Trines mind (could we really be letting this one slip away too?!)  but Trine's defense proved too strong and they played pretty well for the majority of the game.

Again not to poke at an old sensitive subject but the biggest weakness looked to be protection for the passing game.  Ryan showed a lot of improvement in this game under pressure.  He wasnt taking sacks and did a great job escaping pressure and picking up a couple yards at a time with his legs.  Again towards the end it looked like mental toughness slipped away a little as personal foul calls gave Kzoo the chance to make some plays and get back in the game.

I watched with some of the recruits and was pretty lucky to be able to sit and talk football with a bunch of high schoolers who love the game.  They were impressed with the team, facilities, and the gameday atmosphere!  I am obviously bias but I love being able to show our campus off to new people, ESPECIALLY new students!

Good win Thunder!  Next weekend is going to be a big game for our momentum going into next year!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 06, 2011, 05:54:11 PM
Boya I agree with the assessment of the offense.

I didn't think the defensive backs were all that good for Trine, and Kzoo did a lot to hurt themselves. I really thought the Kzoo QB did well, he had a strong arm and was well composed. Both QB's made some mental errors, but overall both guys played well.

I didn't think the attendance was all that good from where I was sitting, the section I was in was quite sparse, plenty of empty seats, but then again, maybe it full on the other side. 

The guys I know well graduated, so I was there mainly for parents day. Albion will be a good opponent for Trine next week, and I think overall they're a better team then Trine this season. Though I don't see them winning by much, Trine really struggles against scat back type of runner and guys who throw well against zones. I think Albion posses both of these types of players, plus the games at home for them.

All in all, not a bad year for Trine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 06, 2011, 06:58:35 PM
but it was a great day for football!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2011, 07:53:03 PM
I realize it is only Monday, however, early predictions for Saturday anyone?  Hope@Olivet, Alma@Adrian, Trine@Albion.  I am going out on a limb and saying that Hope, Adrian and Trine all win, with Trine pulling the upset against Albion and giving us (Hope) at co-championship. ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 07, 2011, 08:16:59 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 07, 2011, 07:53:03 PM
I realize it is only Monday, however, early predictions for Saturday anyone?  Hope@Olivet, Alma@Adrian, Trine@Albion.  I am going out on a limb and saying that Hope, Adrian and Trine all win, with Trine pulling the upset against Albion and giving us (Hope) at co-championship. ;D :)

I am going to drink the blue kool-aid again and pick Trine in the upset of Albion by a touchdown, and pick both Hope and Adrian to win by as much as they want to.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2011, 09:38:03 PM
Great minds DO think alike, and I also feel that Trine, Hope, and Adrian win.  I admit that I would like to see Adrian lose, however, simply so that Trine can leapfrog them in the MIAA standings (assuming Trine beats Albion).   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 07, 2011, 09:48:56 PM
I picked all the road teams this week....go Scots! lol - guess who's not going to be getting 6 pick'ems points from the MIAA? This guy!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 07, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
Not to go against the grain, but I've already stated this, so I might as well stick by it, I think Albion wins a close one. Home field, a conference championship on the line, ect...plus Trine's inability to really contain scat backs, I think Orr has a big day and leads Albion to a win.

I think Hope wins and Adrian wins to finish out strong. Congrats to everyone on an exciting year. And thanks to all you guys for the fun commentary during the season.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2011, 09:55:36 PM
Okay, that's more like it guys!  I thought you all had taken a hiatus or something, just because...well, kazoo was done and Albion has the AQ.  But, as that saying goes..."it isn't over until it's over" or is it "it isn't over until the fat lady sings" or both?? ??? :o :o ::) :P ;D :D :)

sflzman:
I see you like to play the odds! ;D Not bad for a young guy! ;D +k to you!

ThunderHead:
Yes, it has been fun, even when we've all disagreed at times. ;)  So, okay now, just because the MIAA season itself is soon to be done, doesn't mean you have to go AWOL on us here.

And Uncle Rico:
I can see your point (i.e. about Adrian losing!) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
A bit of wisdom (which, alas, I will forget by next year :P) I gleaned from looking over past records this evening:

What you do against IWU doesn't predict squat!

The last four years IWU has faced both Hope and Alma.  Two years went sort of to form; two years made no sense:

2008: Titans over Hope by 3; over Scots by 14.  Hope beat Alma, but how in the world did Hope lose six more straight games before somwhat salvaging the season?!  I was IN Holland (and was never terribly worried we would lose), but figured Hope as a contender if not the favorite. :P

2009: IWU again by 3 over Hope; crushed Alma by 36.  Both went 3-3 in conference, but Alma beat Hope. :P

2010: IWU by 4 over the Dutch, by 21 over the Scots.  Hope crunches the Scots, 38-0.

2011: the craziest yet: IWU stomps out all Hope (pun intended), 35-0; survives Alma by 8 (Scots had the ball late on the IWU 2, but fumbled).  As any Titan fan attending the Alma game would (NOT!) have predicted, Hope goes on to a probable 5-1 record (perhaps a co-champ), while Alma stumbles to a 1-5 or 2-4 record, including being thrashed by Hope, 38-15.

Do NOT put any stock in what happens against IWU! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on November 08, 2011, 08:51:50 AM
I was just looking at the Albion stats verse Depauw, was there a reason that Orr and Krauss didn't play?  Injuries?  That clearly had a huge effect on the offense with Albion putting up 3 points.  Will they be playing on Saturday/ the playoff's I wonder?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 08, 2011, 08:57:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 07, 2011, 07:53:03 PM
I realize it is only Monday, however, early predictions for Saturday anyone?  Hope@Olivet, Alma@Adrian, Trine@Albion.  I am going out on a limb and saying that Hope, Adrian and Trine all win, with Trine pulling the upset against Albion and giving us (Hope) at co-championship. ;D :)

formerd3db,

Your predictions may be the consensus picks. with the Trine/Albion game being the one that some will go the other way! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2011, 09:09:53 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on November 08, 2011, 08:51:50 AM
I was just looking at the Albion stats verse Depauw, was there a reason that Orr and Krauss didn't play?  Injuries?  That clearly had a huge effect on the offense with Albion putting up 3 points.  Will they be playing on Saturday/ the playoff's I wonder?

I was wondering the same thing....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2011, 09:38:11 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 07, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
Not to go against the grain, but I've already stated this, so I might as well stick by it, I think Albion wins a close one. Home field, a conference championship on the line, ect...plus Trine's inability to really contain scat backs, I think Orr has a big day and leads Albion to a win.

Albion already has the playoff qualifier locked up.  Where was Orr last week?  I think Trine's run defense has done fairly well overall.  According to the stats, they have given up an average of 3.3 yards per carry (328 carries for 1097 yards).  I like Trine better against a running team than a passing team. 

River Falls ran the ball 53 times to average a little over 5 yards per carry, but other than that no team has racked up big rushing numbers against Trine. 

Trine gave up 163 yards against LaGrange, but they ran the ball 47 times for a 3.5 average.  Adrian ran 32 times for 59 yards.  Hope ran 41 times to get 148 yards.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 08, 2011, 01:30:31 PM
UR - by saying scat back, I'm thinking of a specific type of running back vs the 4 front of Trine.

If Orr and Krauss play, I think they could have good numbers againts Trine, time will tell.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2011, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 08, 2011, 01:30:31 PM
UR - by saying scat back, I'm thinking of a specific type of running back vs the 4 front of Trine.

If Orr and Krauss play, I think they could have good numbers againts Trine, time will tell.

I know what that is, I just don't know during what game you saw that weakness unless you think that is a flaw of the defensive scheme in general.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 08, 2011, 03:23:06 PM
UR - I think it's a flaw of the scheme in general, and the only reason I pointed out "scat back" was because you listed a few schools that don't run with a scat back, although statically giving up 3.3 yards per carry on the year put's you at a very makeable 4th and .01 - so that was my other point.

I know that's a slightly an unrealistic way to look at, but I remember in high school playing for a coach who always stressed "3 yards and a cloud of dust" - uhg....so more then a few coaches go by that system of thought when they look at that stats... ::)

I agree with you about Trine being better suited to stop the run then the pass, and there is no doubt Trine's pass defense is anything but intimidating, I just think if Krauss is on, then Orr can have a good day as well. And if Krauss isn't on, then I think Orr is the type of back that Trine will struggle with and could have a good day anyway.

It should be interesting, Albion playing for a chance to wrap up a conference championship, and Trine playing for nothing other then pride. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2011, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 08, 2011, 03:23:06 PM
UR - I think it's a flaw of the scheme in general, and the only reason I pointed out "scat back" was because you listed a few schools that don't run with a scat back, although statically giving up 3.3 yards per carry on the year put's you at a very makeable 4th and .01 - so that was my other point.

I know that's a slightly an unrealistic way to look at, but I remember in high school playing for a coach who always stressed "3 yards and a cloud of dust" - uhg....so more then a few coaches go by that system of thought when they look at that stats... ::)

I agree with you about Trine being better suited to stop the run then the pass, and there is no doubt Trine's pass defense is anything but intimidating, I just think if Krauss is on, then Orr can have a good day as well. And if Krauss isn't on, then I think Orr is the type of back that Trine will struggle with and good have a good day anyway.

It should be interesting, Albion playing for a chance to wrap up a conference championship, and Trine playing for nothing other then pride.

Which teams did they play that I did not list had a scat back running back?  Because even the ones I did NOT list did not do all that well either.  Manchester had 3.2, Bluffton 2.4, Alma 2.6, Olivet 3.5, and Kzoo 2.6.  But I will also concede that none of the teams played so far had a Clinton Orr quality back and I believe he will probably get some decent numbers compared to other teams. 

Averaging 3 yards and a cloud of dust won't help if you gain 15 on the first play, and 0 yards on the next 4.  :)     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 08, 2011, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2011, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 08, 2011, 03:23:06 PM
UR - I think it's a flaw of the scheme in general, and the only reason I pointed out "scat back" was because you listed a few schools that don't run with a scat back, although statically giving up 3.3 yards per carry on the year put's you at a very makeable 4th and .01 - so that was my other point.

I know that's a slightly an unrealistic way to look at, but I remember in high school playing for a coach who always stressed "3 yards and a cloud of dust" - uhg....so more then a few coaches go by that system of thought when they look at that stats... ::)

I agree with you about Trine being better suited to stop the run then the pass, and there is no doubt Trine's pass defense is anything but intimidating, I just think if Krauss is on, then Orr can have a good day as well. And if Krauss isn't on, then I think Orr is the type of back that Trine will struggle with and good have a good day anyway.

It should be interesting, Albion playing for a chance to wrap up a conference championship, and Trine playing for nothing other then pride.

Which teams did they play that I did not list had a scat back running back?  Because even the ones I did NOT list did not do all that well either.  Manchester had 3.2, Bluffton 2.4, Alma 2.6, Olivet 3.5, and Kzoo 2.6.  But I will also concede that none of the teams played so far had a Clinton Orr quality back and I believe he will probably get some decent numbers compared to other teams. 

Averaging 3 yards and a cloud of dust won't help if you gain 15 on the first play, and 0 yards on the next 4.  :)     

Oh I agree - thus my  ::) face. I don't think it's a good way to put together a game plan, that's for sure. Yet some coaches do exactly that.

I think at times, when Trine's given up plays it's been to scat back type of athletes. I thought Jackson from Hope did a nice job, and the back from Kzoo had some very good runs when he was in. Trine is more likely to give up big yards to a scat back vs a power back. That was kinda my point. I think, given the talent that Orr is, and him as a featured back, will present problems for Trine.

If they load the box, I think Krauss is good enough to take advantage of that. That's why I think Albion wins this game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 08, 2011, 06:00:43 PM
don't even know how to introduce this one, but here it it...

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
Quote from: sac on November 08, 2011, 06:00:43 PM
don't even know how to introduce this one, but here it it...

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state

Thanks for the link, sac.  +k

With apologies to poets everywhere:

Except for Bo,
My fave was Joe.
But we all know
It's time to go.

R.I.P., reputation of Joe Paterno. >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 08, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
I think many of you hit the nail on the head...The result of the Albion-Trine game will depend greatly on if or how much Orr and Krause play...and the options are farly broad on that topic...Given they already have the league championship and AQ locked up (although there may be some pride attached to the possibility if being co-champ), an argument could be made to hold Orr and Krause out, particularly if they were held out of the Depauw game due to injury...Obviously having them healthy would greatly improve their chances in round 1....I don't know why they didn't play...I do know Orr's playing time earlier due some injury issues...I also saw he only carried the ball 5 times in the 2nd half against Adrian (one in the 4th quarter), after carrying it 20+ times in the 1st half...I have no clue why Krause didn't play......But, although I think Trine is capable of pulling off the upset (is it really an upset when a 7-2 team beats a 5-4 team?), I think it will be much tougher with Orr and Krause healthy and playing the full game.....Orr, when at full speed is a really good player...a game changer.....and, obviously, having your starting QB matters alot....so, ultimately, like I always say about the Hope games....It depends on who shows up to play...and who gets it done......Obviously, Hope fans are hoping Trine can get it done....

Meanwhile, we're hoping that the Dutchmen get it done....Hope is capable of competing to beat anybody in the conference...they've proven that...they've also proven they can lose focus, make mistakes, and allow opponents to stay in a game......Saturday they cannot allow that to happen....they cannot look past or underestimate Olivet....they've invested an awful lot in this turnaround season.....learing how to win as a team again....So, Saturday they need to finish what they started......get it done....right from the beginning.....setting the stage for a potential co-championship, a productive off season and a fruitful 2012 season.....Go Hope!

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 08, 2011, 07:02:25 PM
Formerd3db (and others)....sorry we didn't get caught up this last Saturday...or previously.....I tend to be a little tough to be around before and during the games, and am usually with the family catching up with my son on the field afterward.....but, I will make a better attempt as we go forward....I've really enjoyed all of you, or comments and insight....this board is great......Its going to be a great weekend for football and some fun games to watch......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 08, 2011, 07:05:07 PM
Also...Not to dominate the posting...am pretty excited about moving up off the JV to second stringer.   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 08, 2011, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: hopewatcher on November 08, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
I think many of you hit the nail on the head...The result of the Albion-Trine game will depend greatly on if or how much Orr and Krause play...and the options are farly broad on that topic...Given they already have the league championship and AQ locked up (although there may be some pride attached to the possibility if being co-champ), an argument could be made to hold Orr and Krause out, particularly if they were held out of the Depauw game due to injury...Obviously having them healthy would greatly improve their chances in round 1....I don't know why they didn't play...I do know Orr's playing time earlier due some injury issues...I also saw he only carried the ball 5 times in the 2nd half against Adrian (one in the 4th quarter), after carrying it 20+ times in the 1st half...I have no clue why Krause didn't play......But, although I think Trine is capable of pulling off the upset (is it really an upset when a 7-2 team beats a 5-4 team?), I think it will be much tougher with Orr and Krause healthy and playing the full game.....Orr, when at full speed is a really good player...a game changer.....and, obviously, having your starting QB matters alot....so, ultimately, like I always say about the Hope games....It depends on who shows up to play...and who gets it done......Obviously, Hope fans are hoping Trine can get it done....

Meanwhile, we're hoping that the Dutchmen get it done....Hope is capable of competing to beat anybody in the conference...they've proven that...they've also proven they can lose focus, make mistakes, and allow opponents to stay in a game......Saturday they cannot allow that to happen....they cannot look past or underestimate Olivet....they've invested an awful lot in this turnaround season.....learing how to win as a team again....So, Saturday they need to finish what they started......get it done....right from the beginning.....setting the stage for a potential co-championship, a productive off season and a fruitful 2012 season.....Go Hope!

   

I am very sure that had Trine played Albions non-conference schedule, they would be 5-4 as well. I don't see Trine beating Wheaton or Butler. I say this as a credit to Albion, props for going after a tough non-conference schedule, it appears it served its purpose.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on November 09, 2011, 03:43:39 AM
Just curious if anyone out there believes that  Coach Cole is done at Alma after this year. Whether he resigns or is fired. The rumor I heard was that the AD convinced the President of the college to allow him to continue this year. Just curious as to other opinions. 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 09, 2011, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on November 09, 2011, 03:43:39 AM
Just curious if anyone out there believes that  Coach Cole is done at Alma after this year. Whether he resigns or is fired. The rumor I heard was that the AD convinced the President of the college to allow him to continue this year. Just curious as to other opinions. 8-)

sflzman.

Have any word of this? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 09, 2011, 03:45:33 PM
I'd be surprised, I though Cole kind of built the Alma program. He has had success there, but I think everyone could agree the expectations where higher this year, and they were not met.

Still - does that mean there is someone else out there better or who understands Alma better?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 09, 2011, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 09, 2011, 03:45:33 PM
I'd be surprised, I though Cole kind of built the Alma program. He has had success there, but I think everyone could agree they expectations where higher this year, and they were not met.

Still - does that mean there is someone else out there better or who understands Alma better?

Thunderhead,

Agree, your karma is moving up! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 09, 2011, 07:42:27 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 09, 2011, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on November 09, 2011, 03:43:39 AM
Just curious if anyone out there believes that  Coach Cole is done at Alma after this year. Whether he resigns or is fired. The rumor I heard was that the AD convinced the President of the college to allow him to continue this year. Just curious as to other opinions. 8-)

sflzman.

Have any word of this? :-\

There was actually rumors pre-season that this would be Cole's last year whether we had a good season or not. If anything is true, then I don't know....

Quote from: ThunderHead on November 09, 2011, 03:45:33 PM
I'd be surprised, I though Cole kind of built the Alma program. He has had success there, but I think everyone could agree the expectations where higher this year, and they were not met.

Yes Cole had a great thing going here, but these past three graduating classes (2010,2011,2012) are all the first three in the Cole Era not to win an MIAA championship

Quote from: ThunderHead on November 09, 2011, 03:45:33 PM
Still - does that mean there is someone else out there better or who understands Alma better?

Trust me when I say this is like pulling names from a hat when I say I've not heard this once, and it's just my opinion of to what COULD happen:

If they stay internally I'd say look towards John Lewis the D.C. right now. Of anywhere on this team that has been the area that has looked the best and had the best players on this team the past few years.

As far as where they would potentially go to outside of Alma I have no idea where you even begin in looking for a potential candidate.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on November 09, 2011, 09:29:13 PM
Like I said just curious... I also think that if they stay inside the program that Lewis is probably the one who gets it...I wonder if the AD will get a directive from the president to go outside. Will see I would love to see Alma get back to contending every year. Thanks for the input everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on November 09, 2011, 09:36:43 PM
Here's to hoping that the Scots finally put it all together and finish strong against the Bull Dawgs... GO Scots!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 09, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
+k to that one brotha!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2011, 10:39:17 PM
JoePa has coached his last game.  The University President was also dismissed.

I hope that people will recall both in better overall terms (President Spanier greatly improved PSU's academic profile, and Paterno has done many wonderful things over his career), but this was just too horrendous not to totally clean house.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2011, 11:12:30 PM
Hopewatcher:
Thanks for the kind comments to all of us and allow me to return the same compliments to you.  I/we've enjoyed your participation on the board here also. In addition, congrats on moving up to the next level as a poster! I assume you will be at the game Saturday at Olivet and if so, perhaps we can meet up sometime, at least for a few minutes.  I am going to try and get to the game earlier.

ACMIAAD3, sflzman, Raider, ThunderHead:
First, welcome to the board ACMIAAD3.  Secondly, although there were rumors about Cole's status at the beginning of the season and despite this season's record, IMO, it would be a shame and absurd to fire him or force him to resign.  Leister is the AD and he has been friends/a colleague with Cole since his arrival there.  Lewis, Leister, Cole, and all the assistant coaches are all great guys and coaches; and don't get me wrong, Lewis would be a good choice also.  However, just because Alma has hit a rough patch here the past 2-3 years, IMO doesn't mean it is absolutely necessary to make a change.  If you use that line of thinking, Kreps should have been gone before this year after the 3 straight 3-7 seasons and there were certainly many who were calling for his dismissal - and that would have simply been absurd.  He and his staff persevered and pressed on and look at the result this year.  So to have let him go would have been a huge mistake.  I said it before and I'll stick to my opinion on this - while wins are important (obviously nobody likes to lose), there is a much more important reason/a higher value for having a program and Kreps emobodies that in the way he runs the program and teaches his players for something far more important in later life.  So does Jim Cole. And finally, I cant' immagine that Leister would end up firing Cole at the behest of the new president (unless Leister is given an ultimatum to keep his job by doing that - and if so, the new president at Alma is no better than Adrian's president and how Lyall's firing was handled).  I do not know this new Alma president, however, he knew nothing of Alma's program or history before coming in and IMO, to make a decision to pull the plug on Cole (unless there is some underlying behind the scenes problem - of which I find extremely hard to believe), would be wrong and it would cause me to have some less respect for Alma's president.  Furthermore, the coaches do not play the games, obviously the players do and let's be honest - for example, Hope's players simply were not playing very good the last 3 years and the overall talent has been down there and in the league; same goes for Alma.  The answer is that it takes time to change the attitudes and there is no greater example of that than Northwestern in the Big Ten - it is a comparable situation.  So the simple and true answer is that those who called for Kreps dismissal last year simply were wrong.  The same goes for Alma (unless Cole decides himself it is time for him to step down).  And that's MO.  :) :o ;) 

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2011, 11:14:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2011, 10:39:17 PM
JoePa has coached his last game.  The University President was also dismissed.

I hope that people will recall both in better overall terms (President Spanier greatly improved PSU's academic profile, and Paterno has done many wonderful things over his career), but this was just too horrendous not to totally clean house.

Ditto, Mr. Ypsi.  The right decisions on this were made.  It's unfortunate, however, those people had to be held accountable.  This has kind of put the "Ohio State Story" on the backburner per se. :o ::) :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on November 09, 2011, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 09, 2011, 11:12:30 PM
Hopewatcher:
Thanks for the kind comments to all of us and allow me to return the same compliments to you.  I/we've enjoyed your participation on the board here also. In addition, congrats on moving up to the next level as a poster! I assume you will be at the game Saturday at Olivet and if so, perhaps we can meet up sometime, at least for a few minutes.  I am going to try and get to the game earlier.

ACMIAAD3, sflzman, Raider, ThunderHead:
First, welcome to the board ACMIAAD3.  Secondly, although there were rumors about Cole's status at the beginning of the season and despite this season's record, IMO, it would be a shame and absurd to fire him or force him to resign.  Leister is the AD and he has been friends/a colleague with Cole since his arrival there.  Lewis, Leister, Cole, and all the assistant coaches are all great guys and coaches; and don't get me wrong, Lewis would be a good choice also.  However, just because Alma has hit a rough patch here the past 2-3 years, IMO doesn't mean it is absolutely necessary to make a change.  If you use that line of thinking, Kreps should have been gone before this year after the 3 straight 3-7 seasons and there were certainly many who were calling for his dismissal - and that would have simply been absurd.  He and his staff persevered and pressed on and look at the result this year.  So to have let him go would have been a huge mistake.  I said it before and I'll stick to my opinion on this - while wins are important (obviously nobody likes to lose), there is a much more important reason/a higher value for having a program and Kreps emobodies that in the way he runs the program and teaches his players for something far more important in later life.  So does Jim Cole. And finally, I cant' immagine that Leister would end up firing Cole at the behest of the new president (unless Leister is given an ultimatum to keep his job by doing that - and if so, the new president at Alma is no better than Adrian's president and how Lyall's firing was handled).  I do not know this new Alma president, however, he knew nothing of Alma's program or history before coming in and IMO, to make a decision to pull the plug on Cole (unless there is some underlying behind the scenes problem - of which I find extremely hard to believe), would be wrong and it would cause me to have some less respect for Alma's president.  Furthermore, the coaches do not play the games, obviously the players do and let's be honest - for example, Hope's players simply were not playing very good the last 3 years and the overall talent has been down there and in the league; same goes for Alma.  The answer is that it takes time to change the attitudes and there is no greater example of that than Northwestern in the Big Ten - it is a comparable situation.  So the simple and true answer is that those who called for Kreps dismissal last year simply were wrong.  The same goes for Alma (unless Cole decides himself it is time for him to step down).  And that's MO.  :) :o ;) 



I appreciate the input as I have only been around Alma for a short time. I was impressed with Coach Cole and his character. However in light of some of the teams problems that are public and some that have not come to light, my respect for him has waivered a bit. I wonder how some other colleges deal with these inhouse incidents. Like I said I was impressed when I first met Coach Cole and I respect all that he has done, but these past few season have had to play hard on a dedicated Coach like him. I would not be surprised he he decided to step down on his own now that his son is going to be finished playing. I wish him and all the Scots the best and hope if it is Coach Coles last game they go out with a BANG.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2011, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 09, 2011, 11:14:32 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2011, 10:39:17 PM
JoePa has coached his last game.  The University President was also dismissed.

I hope that people will recall both in better overall terms (President Spanier greatly improved PSU's academic profile, and Paterno has done many wonderful things over his career), but this was just too horrendous not to totally clean house.

Ditto, Mr. Ypsi.  The right decisions on this were made.  It's unfortunate, however, those people had to be held accountable.  This has kind of put the "Ohio State Story" on the backburner per se. :o ::) :P

Yeah free tattoos (and extra practices under RichRod) certainly pale beside letting a pedophile have an extra decade of victims. >:(  In the stories I've seen so far, I haven't seen anything about the fate of McQueary (the former QB, then grad assistant, now an assistant coach) who made the initial report to Paterno.  Like Paterno, he is legally off the hook (he did the minimum required by law), but come on - he was 28 (not the 22-year-old I initially envisioned when they said 'grad assistant').  Why the he!! didn't he call the cops?  PSU needs a FULL house cleaning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2011, 12:04:31 PM
ACMIAAD3:
So what are these other alleged "in house" problems?  I have not heard anything about these.  If there are some issues that have occurred that perhaps come into play regarding "mis-doings", then perhaps, just perhaps, that might be a consideration for a chance.  On the other hand, if these "issues" are in regards to disagreements with "in house" policies, then that is "hogwash" and comes down to personality conflicts.  Alma has always had a conflict in many issues between the administration and the athletic department for many years since the late Robert Swanson and the late Oscar Remmick were presidents, so that is nothing new and wouldn't surprise me in being the underyling root of the problem.  Now, admittedly, I know nothing a which you speak so am obviously only speculating here.  Yet, if there are "issues", seems to me those should be out in the forefront for everyone to ponder.  Having aspects that are kept from appropriate awareness both withing the College community and its alumni is not a good management practice - just ask those at Penn State - and that is not meant to be a joke. >:(  Obviously, we'll see what happens.  Regardless, like you, I wish Coach Cole and his staff and the team all the best in their final game of this season this Saturday.  I'm sure it will be a "bittersweet" day anyway because of it being Coach Cole's son's last game of his career.

Mr. Ypsi:
Once again, I agree with you.  Calling this a tragedy seems pale - not sure there are any other worse words to describe it.  I'm simply flabbergasted. 

Also, with regard to your reference to the remainder of the coaching staff, we are not sure what those people knew if anything.  One of the current full time assistants is Ron Vanderlinden, former 4 time ALL-MIAA football player at Albion College in our MIAA, former assistant coach at Albion, Bowling Green, Colorado, defensive coordinator at Northwestern and former head coach at Maryland.  He is a a top notch man all the way around, inducted into Albion's Athletic Hall of Fame last year and I find it more than difficult to lump him in with this disastrous situation.  Also, as much as there are some very wrong things with college football and basketball, I can't agree with those who call for the immediate discontinuance of the season for Penn State.  Those current players had nothing to do with this whatsoever and, while one might make the argument that that happens with sanctions also when NCAA violations occur and, for example, the death penalty at SMU in the 1980's, and while this is without question worse than those situations - the worst ever - I think that this needs to, at least for now, be dealt with by the legal system as it is, those people involved being held accountable as they are now being done so, and then evaluate in the immediate off-season as to what further to do with the program.  But immediately firing the rest of the staff (with the exception of McCleary) unless there is knowledge that the others on the staff knew about this, IMO, serves no purpose.  And where are the families of the alleged victims and/or other victimes themselves?  It is a terrible and embarrassing aspect for them without question, however, they need to come forward to help if they want justice done - and it should be, for what that is worth as far as how much it will be of help/comfort to them for the rest of their lives (which, unfortunately, is probably not much).  Anyway, again, just MO on this.  No doubt some others will disagree with me or perhaps have a different slant/perspective.  But, without question, this has to be one of or perhaps the most horrendous day for college football in its history.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 10, 2011, 02:10:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2011, 10:39:17 PM
JoePa has coached his last game.  The University President was also dismissed.

I hope that people will recall both in better overall terms (President Spanier greatly improved PSU's academic profile, and Paterno has done many wonderful things over his career), but this was just too horrendous not to totally clean house.

I believe that "this" is going to be Paterno's legacy. Not with the true blue Penn St. fan that is tipping over vans and rioting on campus - but the tradition, records, and everything else that Paterno built over the last 50 years will forever be a secondary thought to the reasons that he left.

Can you imagine if this had happened 9 months ago? I believe that Tre$$el would still be coaching at O$U, because in comparison a free tattoo, or for that matter a new car seems to pale in comparison to the tragedies that took place on the Penn St. campus over the last decade. in my opinion anybody that knew any part of what had been going on should be gone immediately. Some may have done nothing wrong legally but morally these people failed those kids.

Alright, I 'll step down off my soap box now.

Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2011, 03:56:18 PM
Let's remember what Tressel did for a second before people start dismissing his little problem as not significant  (by comparison obvious).  He LIED to the NCAA 3 times about players eligibility, he didn't even go to his AD when he learned of a problem, he clearly and flagrantly violated NCAA rules.  He didn't get fired because some dudes were getting free ink.  He was fired (sorry allowed to honorably retire  ::) ) because he lied to his employer and the NCAA.  It took OSU 6 months of doing the happy bear dance around the issue to finally come to the conclusion they do something other than nothing. 

Either way, the way the higher ups at these two institutions have handled both situations has been embarrassing for everyone.


In the bad analogies department, a homicide is still a homicide even if the person didn't kill as many as the serial killer down the block.  ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2011, 04:30:59 PM
Also there is this, very timely......

http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/10/ohio-state-ncaa.html

organizations that have something to hide release bad news on days it will likely be burried.  "Failure to monitor" is one step from of "lack of institutional control".

All along OSU has played the 'rogue element' theory, here the NCAA is basically saying we don't buy it, try again.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: raideralley on November 10, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2011, 03:56:18 PM
Let's remember what Tressel did for a second before people start dismissing his little problem as not significant  (by comparison obvious).  He LIED to the NCAA 3 times about players eligibility, he didn't even go to his AD when he learned of a problem, he clearly and flagrantly violated NCAA rules.  He didn't get fired because some dudes were getting free ink.  He was fired (sorry allowed to honorably retire  ::) ) because he lied to his employer and the NCAA.  It took OSU 6 months of doing the happy bear dance around the issue to finally come to the conclusion they do something other than nothing. 

Either way, the way the higher ups at these two institutions have handled both situations has been embarrassing for everyone.


In the bad analogies department, a homicide is still a homicide even if the person didn't kill as many as the serial killer down the block.  ???

Listen what Ohio st did was wrong and it really put a blemish on the university but to try and compare "tatoo gate" and the situation at Penn St is ludicrous!!!

Im not sure I quite understand your analogy, but the penn st situation is like a homicide. The ohio st situation is like petty theft.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2011, 05:03:14 PM
Possible in-house problems may be like the suspension that Coach Cole served this year, who's details never were released to the public....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2011, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: raideralley on November 10, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2011, 03:56:18 PM
Let's remember what Tressel did for a second before people start dismissing his little problem as not significant  (by comparison obvious).  He LIED to the NCAA 3 times about players eligibility, he didn't even go to his AD when he learned of a problem, he clearly and flagrantly violated NCAA rules.  He didn't get fired because some dudes were getting free ink.  He was fired (sorry allowed to honorably retire  ::) ) because he lied to his employer and the NCAA.  It took OSU 6 months of doing the happy bear dance around the issue to finally come to the conclusion they do something other than nothing. 

Either way, the way the higher ups at these two institutions have handled both situations has been embarrassing for everyone.


In the bad analogies department, a homicide is still a homicide even if the person didn't kill as many as the serial killer down the block.  ???

Listen what Ohio st did was wrong and it really put a blemish on the university but to try and compare "tatoo gate" and the situation at Penn St is ludicrous!!!

Im not sure I quite understand your analogy, but the penn st situation is like a homicide. The ohio st situation is like petty theft.

raideralley:
In essence, I whole heartedly agree with you.  However, for some, if you consider the "faith based" aspect, in the eyes God, any and all sins are equal.  Of course, in our human society, obviously, there are degrees of this as evidenced by the punishment rendered out for certain mis-deeds compared to others.  The common denominator here is that people egregiously broke the rules, whether man-made and/or morally - and I would argue that in a small sense (yet again certainly not equating it to the degree of the Penn State situation of the actual acts) it was morally wrong for the Ohio State players to ignore the rules.  They knew what was right and wrong and agreed to that when they signed on.  Just my additional thoughts on this.  Yet, you are right in that the Penn State situation is horrifying and very, very sad for everyone, but especially the victims.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2011, 05:36:59 PM
sflzman:
Understandable, although I am not sure (i.e. puzzled) as to why the College would keep both sets of these situations from being publically known (also, I was unaware of a "Cole suspension", although obviously I would not be since it was kept "in house" as you mention and I nor others are not associated with the College).  On the other hand, I guess it is a private institution as opposed to a state university.  Were it the latter, you can be assurred public disclosure would have occurred as I believe it is legally mandated.

I guess Alma had better win this Saturday, although it sounds like that might not be enough to save the job for Cole.  I hope that whatever happens (if anything does but also please understand that I'm not saying it should either), that it is handled with class and I knowing the people I do up at your place, I can't imagine it wouldn't be.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: raideralley on November 10, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2011, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: raideralley on November 10, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2011, 03:56:18 PM
Let's remember what Tressel did for a second before people start dismissing his little problem as not significant  (by comparison obvious).  He LIED to the NCAA 3 times about players eligibility, he didn't even go to his AD when he learned of a problem, he clearly and flagrantly violated NCAA rules.  He didn't get fired because some dudes were getting free ink.  He was fired (sorry allowed to honorably retire  ::) ) because he lied to his employer and the NCAA.  It took OSU 6 months of doing the happy bear dance around the issue to finally come to the conclusion they do something other than nothing. 

Either way, the way the higher ups at these two institutions have handled both situations has been embarrassing for everyone.


In the bad analogies department, a homicide is still a homicide even if the person didn't kill as many as the serial killer down the block.  ???

Listen what Ohio st did was wrong and it really put a blemish on the university but to try and compare "tatoo gate" and the situation at Penn St is ludicrous!!!

Im not sure I quite understand your analogy, but the penn st situation is like a homicide. The ohio st situation is like petty theft.

raideralley:
In essence, I whole heartedly agree with you.  However, for some, if you consider the "faith based" aspect, in the eyes God, any and all sins are equal.  Of course, in our human society, obviously, there are degrees of this as evidenced by the punishment rendered out for certain mis-deeds compared to others.  The common denominator here is that people egregiously broke the rules, whether man-made and/or morally - and I would argue that in a small sense (yet again certainly not equating it to the degree of the Penn State situation of the actual acts) it was morally wrong for the Ohio State players to ignore the rules.  They knew what was right and wrong and agreed to that when they signed on.  Just my additional thoughts on this.  Yet, you are right in that the Penn State situation is horrifying and very, very sad for everyone, but especially the victims.

good post formerd3lb!!!

What both ohio st and penn st did were both wrong!!! Its why I love d3!!! We never have to put up with this kind of disgusting stuff, that happens at these division 1 schools! If this kind of thing can happen at penn st, it could happen at any other division 1 school.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2011, 06:37:18 PM
Quote from: raideralley on November 10, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2011, 03:56:18 PM
Let's remember what Tressel did for a second before people start dismissing his little problem as not significant  (by comparison obvious).  He LIED to the NCAA 3 times about players eligibility, he didn't even go to his AD when he learned of a problem, he clearly and flagrantly violated NCAA rules.  He didn't get fired because some dudes were getting free ink.  He was fired (sorry allowed to honorably retire  ::) ) because he lied to his employer and the NCAA.  It took OSU 6 months of doing the happy bear dance around the issue to finally come to the conclusion they do something other than nothing. 

Either way, the way the higher ups at these two institutions have handled both situations has been embarrassing for everyone.

Trying to rate which situations are worse than others is part of what gets folk into these messes in the first place!


In the bad analogies department, a homicide is still a homicide even if the person didn't kill as many as the serial killer down the block.  ???

Listen what Ohio st did was wrong and it really put a blemish on the university but to try and compare "tatoo gate" and the situation at Penn St is ludicrous!!!

Im not sure I quite understand your analogy, but the penn st situation is like a homicide. The ohio st situation is like petty theft.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 10, 2011, 06:50:07 PM
Welcome to raideralley from another recent newcomer....

I think I am generally on board with formerd3db in many regards on this topic (virtual +k).....
Pesonally, I can't get into a discussion about which school is 'more' wrong (Penn State, Ohio State, SMU, school/situation of your choice).....These things shouldn't happen....when they come out the School, NCAA, and legal system will deal with the appropriately (I know...don't yell at me...I'm aware that it took 10+ years at Penn State)....but its a no win agrument fpr me...there are alot of good point and perspectives .....but, ultimatley, the good Lord will pass judgement and I don't have to....(I don't mean to offend anybody by getting spiritual here, but I guess thats what you get from a fan and the parent of a player at a faith based school) ..my energy tends to go into focusing on prayer and support for the healing and peace for the victims, for the people who get stuck with the stressful, no-win task of cleaning up the mess, for the people affected unfairly as 'collatoral damage' and for the legitimate repentence and repair of the guity......Its a bad deal all the way around in every case usually involving smart people that ought to know better.....

I agree with raideralley....(would +k if I could)...This ongoing (over and over) story involving DI programs is getting old....this is why I have learned to love DIII.....at one point I had the dream of my son being a D I player...It didn't work out......and now I am glad about that...he's playing a games he loves...is having some success....he is (and being coached by folks who are) focused on preparing for life spitually, academically, and socially and playing competitive football with success as a team the goal.....and being, and being around good people......that's what is important.....It seems like the money, the fame, the media, all of the external pressures in 'big time' athletics is creating a collection of behaviors that are contrary to everything that I think athletics are supposed to be all about....The NCAA and legal systems can't write enough rules or building a big enough enforcement system to combat that.....I don't have an answer, but its broke....I like watch DI sports, but wish it didn't have all of the baggage around it that it currently does...and now I'm glad we are where we are at he school we're at, with the people that are there with us.....     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 10, 2011, 07:01:38 PM
I don't know anything about what is going on at Alma from a coaching change perspective, other than what I read here...but, it has always occurred to me that the AD being the offensive coordinator has got to complicate things if an involuntary head coaching change took place.....from a decision making standpoint, from a span of change standpoint (does the OC change too), from a hiring a new coach standpoint or even who evaluates the Head Coach...this would be further complicated at the moment, by the AD/OC son's being the leader and engine for the offense....interesting.....probably works well and is healthy for all when things are going well....and complicated when there is a problem......and, I'm guessing that what is defined as success changes as the College's President of Board of Trustee's change...further complicating things....This may have been discussed before, but I curious about other's thoughts..... 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 10, 2011, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2011, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: raideralley on November 10, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2011, 03:56:18 PM
Let's remember what Tressel did for a second before people start dismissing his little problem as not significant  (by comparison obvious).  He LIED to the NCAA 3 times about players eligibility, he didn't even go to his AD when he learned of a problem, he clearly and flagrantly violated NCAA rules.  He didn't get fired because some dudes were getting free ink.  He was fired (sorry allowed to honorably retire  ::) ) because he lied to his employer and the NCAA.  It took OSU 6 months of doing the happy bear dance around the issue to finally come to the conclusion they do something other than nothing.

Either way, the way the higher ups at these two institutions have handled both situations has been embarrassing for everyone.


In the bad analogies department, a homicide is still a homicide even if the person didn't kill as many as the serial killer down the block.  ???

Listen what Ohio st did was wrong and it really put a blemish on the university but to try and compare "tatoo gate" and the situation at Penn St is ludicrous!!!

Im not sure I quite understand your analogy, but the penn st situation is like a homicide. The ohio st situation is like petty theft.

raideralley:
In essence, I whole heartedly agree with you.  However, for some, if you consider the "faith based" aspect, in the eyes God, any and all sins are equal.  Of course, in our human society, obviously, there are degrees of this as evidenced by the punishment rendered out for certain mis-deeds compared to others.  The common denominator here is that people egregiously broke the rules, whether man-made and/or morally - and I would argue that in a small sense (yet again certainly not equating it to the degree of the Penn State situation of the actual acts) it was morally wrong for the Ohio State players to ignore the rules.  They knew what was right and wrong and agreed to that when they signed on.  Just my additional thoughts on this.  Yet, you are right in that the Penn State situation is horrifying and very, very sad for everyone, but especially the victims.
I'm sorry but I am going to disagree with the "In the eyes of God any and all sins are equal". I am not an OSU or a Jim Tressel fan. But to compare alowing the rape of a child to lying about a young man getting a free tatoo and saying those two acts are equal has never been brought up in any church that I have ever attended or visited. One scars the lives of many innocent children and their families, the other only negatively effects Tressel and the players involved. sorry just my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2011, 07:22:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2011, 05:36:59 PM
sflzman:
Understandable, although I am not sure (i.e. puzzled) as to why the College would keep both sets of these situations from being publically known (also, I was unaware of a "Cole suspension", although obviously I would not be since it was kept "in house" as you mention and I nor others are not associated with the College).  On the other hand, I guess it is a private institution as opposed to a state university.  Were it the latter, you can be assurred public disclosure would have occurred as I believe it is legally mandated.

I guess Alma had better win this Saturday, although it sounds like that might not be enough to save the job for Cole.  I hope that whatever happens (if anything does but also please understand that I'm not saying it should either), that it is handled with class and I knowing the people I do up at your place, I can't imagine it wouldn't be.

Yeah I just briefly heard about it during training camp some time, I have no idea what it was about, how long it was for, or how severe. Just what I heard....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2011, 07:40:16 PM
think some of  you missed the point.......both Tressel and Paterno apparently lacked the moral character to do what was right, instead of what protected them (along with the AD's and President's of both schools.  OSU's is a real clown show).

You think Paterno holds his job in 2002 if it goes public then? 

dismissing what Tressel did just because what Paterno did may be worse doesn't fly.

Let's not forget the dog and pony show that OSU put on in the weeks prior to the Sugar Bowl when they flat out lied to the NCAA about what they knew and when so their ineligible players could still play.  They went as far as making players sign documents stating they wouldn't go pro if they played in the Sugar Bowl.

Not to mention the farce OSU almost pulled off in the spring......bottom line is the men who most people expect to be held to high standards were out to protect themselves.  They both dropped the ball.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 10, 2011, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2011, 07:40:16 PM
think some of  you missed the point.......both Tressel and Paterno apparently lacked the moral character to do what was right, instead of what protected them (along with the AD's and President's of both schools.  OSU's is a real clown show).

You think Paterno holds his job in 2002 if it goes public then? 

dismissing what Tressel did just because what Paterno did may be worse doesn't fly.

Let's not forget the dog and pony show that OSU put on in the weeks prior to the Sugar Bowl when they flat out lied to the NCAA about what they knew and when so their ineligible players could still play.  They went as far as making players sign documents stating they wouldn't go pro if they played in the Sugar Bowl.

Not to mention the farce OSU almost pulled off in the spring......bottom line is the men who most people expect to be held to high standards were out to protect themselves.  They both dropped the ball.

You miss the point as well - I don't dismiss what either one of them did. I'm glad that Tre$$el is gone he got what he desrved, and yes the O$U president is a clown. He came across as holier than though just as paterno did. My post simply says that if the O$U thing came out now it would seem miniscule compared to the PSU scandal. As far anyone saying the the two case are similar, comparable, or the same in the eyes of the lord - I have one question for you. Tell me how you would feel if that was your child or grandchild. Don't say anything else just tell me that you would still see the two situations or sins as the equal.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2011, 09:49:39 PM
adidas28:
I respect your opinion and I don't mean to be arrogant or crass here whatsoever.  Yet, if you are a true "believer", you will know/should know that the equivilency of sins is simply the truth - look it up in "The Instruction Book"!  Regardless, I agree with you and the others that both coaches being dismissed was the right thing to do.  Both men are men of "Faith", but they are human as we all obviously are and we all make mistakes - it is inevitable and not fun or pretty when any of us have to face the consequences either now (or later :o). It's just too bad that these incidents will now be a major defining element of their careers.  Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinions on this.  Yes, I know there will be some people who will come on here and chide all of us for discussing all these situations (Penn State, Ohio State, Alma, etc., etc.) and calling for us to "get back to talking about the X's and O's ;D), however, this is relevent to football and that can't be denied. 

Hopewatcher:
Great post and I couldn't agree with you more.  There is more to it than "just the game".  Also, you should know (if you don't already), what you have gone through and the evolution of your opinion is exactly what former Hope College Head Football Coach Ray Smith conveyed to us all; he played at DI UCLA and while he had great success there, he came to the same conclusions as you and I; it just was in an earlier era/time frame than yours and mine.  I'll give you another +k when I can (time limit :D ;D :)). See you Sat?

sac:
I would add that some people in the media have been using the cliche of "lack of institutional control" in these situations.  Others would say that a more accurate description would be the "opposite" in one sense i.e. too much institutional control.  However, I think I agree with you that it is a failure of human judgement (or mis-judgement).

Raideralley:
Thanks!  Also, good to have you on our board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2011, 10:21:50 PM
The more I learn about the PSU tragedy, the madder I get.  McQueary did not even report the rape to Paterno until the NEXT day!  When I first heard 'grad assistant' witness, I pictured a perhaps intimidated 22-year-old.  McQueary was freakin' 28 years old and (in pictures I've seen) was HUGE for a former QB.  It is absolutely unfathomable to me that he did nothing to stop the rape (by a guy who was freakin' 58 years old!).

I am not a violent guy (partly because I am NOT big and don't like pain ;D, partly just by nature), but I am at least 99% sure that I would have immediately attacked the rapist (followed, if still conscious ;), by a call to the cops).  One of my proudest moments growing up was the only real fight I've ever been in.  A neighborhood bully was hurting kids (far from adult supervision).  Being the second biggest kid around, I took him on.  He beat the crap out of me (d'oh!), but he never bothered me or my littler friends again.  (On that one occasion I can kind of grasp Sparky Anderson's immortal: "Pain don't hurt"! ;D)

McQueary DID report the rape (albeit belatedly) so legally he is probably off the hook.  But that he did nothing to stop the rape (and waited so long to report it) is reprehensible.  If McQueary coaches on Saturday, PSU is dead to me.  Fire his pathetic a$$.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 11, 2011, 12:58:39 AM
I can see I'm doing a poor of conveying what I was trying to convey.  So moving on...... :)

Anyone who loves college sports has been hit upside the head with a 2x4 with this.  So hard to grasp all of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2011, 05:03:38 AM
Totally irresponsible speculation on my part....Perhaps JoePa and Penn State did not go after Sandusky as hard as they should have because Sandusky knew a lot more about the program than most outsiders would have, and he could have revealed things about PSU in terms of recruiting, boosters, etc... etc...that they would not have wanted to come to light.  That is the only reason I could think of that they didn't broom this guy out right away and see to it that he was thrown in jail, and instead treat him like a welcomed friend of the program after he "resigned." 

I know that from all appearances they ran a clean program in Happy Valley until now, but for the life of me I cannot understand why they did not put a stop to this guy right from the get-go.  I know my premise is doubtful, but why did this guy do what he did for so long???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2011, 05:17:51 AM
Quote from: sac on November 11, 2011, 12:58:39 AM
I can see I'm doing a poor of conveying what I was trying to convey.  So moving on...... :)

Anyone who loves college sports has been hit upside the head with a 2x4 with this.  So hard to grasp all of it.

I am with you 100% SAC.  No one thought at the time what OSU did was excusable at all.  They either condoned or turned a blind eye to the players actions, tried to cover it up, lied about it, and then tried to escape with as little punishment as possible.   You could say Penn State turned a blind eye and also tried to cover up or bury the issue.  At least at Penn State SOME people actually owned it (after they were exposed) and resigned, and the board fired their "living legend" without too much debate.   Although what Penn State tried to bury was 10x more despicable than OSU's transgressions, both organizations exercised damage control over making sound moral decisions and doing what was right.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 11, 2011, 10:24:10 AM
As a fellow veteran, I take pride in thanking all those who have served. I also have special thoughts of those I knew who did not return.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2011, 10:32:54 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 11, 2011, 10:24:10 AM
As a fellow veteran, I take pride in thanking all those who have served. I also have special thoughts of those I knew who did not return.

Raider68:
I did not know you are a veteran.  Nonetheless, I join in thanking you, JK and all those here on our boards who are veterans as well as all veterans everywhere for the service and sacrifice (big and small) that you/they have all done for the rest of us and our country.  So I sincerely salute you all today and not just today because it is Veteran's Day, but everyday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on November 11, 2011, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 11, 2011, 10:24:10 AM
As a fellow veteran, I take pride in thanking all those who have served. I also have special thoughts of those I knew who did not return.

"I want an officer for a secret and dangerous mission," Marshall declared in a post-Pearl Harbor America. "I want a West Point football player."

God bless our veterans.

OT - I know that there are tons of talking sports heads that just don't have time for it, and I am not a veteran, but every time I watch the Army-Navy game I get tears.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 11, 2011, 11:25:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2011, 10:32:54 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 11, 2011, 10:24:10 AM
As a fellow veteran, I take pride in thanking all those who have served. I also have special thoughts of those I knew who did not return.

Raider68:
I did not know you are a veteran.  Nonetheless, I join in thanking you, JK and all those here on our boards who are veterans as well as all veterans everywhere for the service and sacrifice (big and small) that you/they have all done for the rest of us and our country.  So I sincerely salute you all today and not just today because it is Veteran's Day, but everyday.

formerd3db,

Thanks for the kind words, U.S. Navy, Vietnam era
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 11, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
seriously  ::)

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Parents-sue-over-blown-call-in-hopes-of-N-M-pla?urn=highschool-wp8428
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 11, 2011, 03:28:17 PM
Regarding the Penn State situation, I don't really want to comment on it other then to say it affects countless people and it's a sad, sad situation.

I do want to acknowledge our veterans, both past and present, and their families - who go through countless days without them while their loved one's serve our great country. Nothing I've ever done on the biggest of stages as a coach on Saturday compares to the sacrifice these people make every single day.

Many people I know who serve, including my brother (US Marine - currently serving in Okinawa Japan, but on special assignment for the carrier game tonight) didn't sign up for the fan fare associated with being solider, but rather out of duty to country, and I often think "these men and women get it", and often as a society we simply don't do enough to show our appreciation.

So even though I know guys like Raider68 didn't do it for the applause or appreciation- you're owed it anyway. "Thank You".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2011, 03:35:30 PM
Raider68:
You are most welcome.

RFMichigan:
I respect that immensely and is nothing to be ashmaed of or looked at as weird at all.  And, for that matter, I will admit without reservation that I am just like you - I am not a veteran, but I, too, get teary eyed in watching the Army/Navy game as well as sometimes when talking with veterans.  I just appreciate so much what they have done for us - sometimes we have not clue what they went through, again, especially those of us who were never in the military.  Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience.

sac:
Good grief! ??? :P >:(  That is a perfect example of how many people in our society have lost all sense of sanity.  That is insane and those parents are idiots - they are not sending the right message to their sons.  While it is sad that the situation came down to that unfortunate and unintentional last second gaffe by game officials and clock administrators, unfortunately, that is sometimes the way it goes in life.  Refs and officials are human and sometimes, mistakes are made.  Could not such a disappointment to a teenager in a situation like this be used as a "learning experience" in llfe in some fashion?  I think so.  However, until there is some mechanism that can totally prevent clock malfunctions or until high schools (or our DIII level :D ;D) get to instant reply in other types of situations, both of which will probably never happen, then there will be some occasional disappointments like this and controversial judgement calls.  Anyway, I can understand their outrage, yet, IMO, that is taking to too far.  I'm sorry, but that is the truth and reality of that situation, but what we now see in today's society.   :'( :-[ ::) :o 

ThunderHead:
Thanks for sharing about your brother and thank you to him for his service.  Your last sentence also says it all and I agree with you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: realist on November 11, 2011, 07:23:22 PM
IMO the lesson to be learned from Penn State is we should avoid putting anyone, be they military hero, athlete, coach, politican et. al. up on such a high pedestal that we feel they are incapable of any wrong doing.  One can only imagine that the folks in Happy Valley are now fully understanding that their lack of identifying with, and compassion for the the OSU's, USC's, Miami's, TX Tech. et. al. in their falls from grace have come home to roost.  Pointing out the "sliver" in someone else's eye is fine until the focus is on the "timber" in your own eye. 
One bad apple spoiled the entire barrel.  Most of the apples were good, but what they failed to do was point out and get rid of the bad apple. 
At a time like this I think it is important that everyone guard what they say.  Remember the yardstick you want to measue everyone else with may someday be used to measure you. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 11, 2011, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: realist on November 11, 2011, 07:23:22 PM
IMO the lesson to be learned from Penn State is we should avoid putting anyone, be they military hero, athlete, coach, politican et. al. up on such a high pedestal that we feel they are incapable of any wrong doing.  One can only imagine that the folks in Happy Valley are now fully understanding that their lack of identifying with, and compassion for the the OSU's, USC's, Miami's, TX Tech. et. al. in their falls from grace have come home to roost.  Pointing out the "sliver" in someone else's eye is fine until the focus is on the "timber" in your own eye. 
One bad apple spoiled the entire barrel.  Most of the apples were good, but what they failed to do was point out and get rid of the bad apple. 
At a time like this I think it is important that everyone guard what they say.  Remember the yardstick you want to measue everyone else with may someday be used to measure you. 

Could not agree more.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on November 11, 2011, 07:49:39 PM
realist - Well Put.... (virtual +k)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2011, 07:52:45 PM
realist:

Ditto; well said.  While we all can certainly express opinions as to what we truly know is right and wrong, as you have well said, it should be done with caution and in the right context (lest one be caught in the "what goes around, comes around" syndrome.  Also, "Do not judge, as ye will be judged ourselves" and..."dont' throw stones", you know, the "glass house" aspect - those are among components of a "great foundation" of which to live by, including in sports, along with "The Golden Rule".  Anyway, again, you put it very well. +k
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2011, 09:27:54 AM
Ok, allright, since everyone has been asking me for my picks this weekend, here they are...

Trine WINS at Albion in a squeaker
Alma loses at Adrian
Hope wins at Olivet

Go Thunder!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LetItRain on November 12, 2011, 10:04:30 AM
That's Clinton Orr he's tackling in that photo.  Circa 2009.   ;D

Great open field tackle on a great Albion player.  Orr is definately fun to watch. 

Good luck to all MIAA teams today wrapping up the regular season!  And congrats to all of the seniors as well!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 12, 2011, 01:58:37 PM
Alma is having a disaster of a performance at Adrian.

With 7 minutes left in the second quarter its Adrian 16 Alma 0.......but the story is Alma has 5 yards of total offense and 5 turnovers.  yikes!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2011, 03:29:07 PM
Well, the weather in Albion appeared to be all clear and no thunder.... Albion 41 - Trine 14.     :-[

Good luck to Albion in the playoffs! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 12, 2011, 05:17:02 PM
scores:
Albion 41, Trine 14 (Albion wins MIAA championship outright)
Adrian 16, Alma 0
Hope 27, Olivet 7
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2011, 07:24:04 PM
Back from the game at Olivet.  It was also great to meet Hopewatcher and his wife today (his son had a great game today if I may say).  Also great to visit with OC_SID who is a very gracious host. Another great weather day for football this late in the season.  Congrats to Coach Kreps and his staff and all the players for their win today as well as a really good 7-3 season.  The improvement this year was tremendous and great to be back in the realm of a winning season and a very fine effort in obtaining a second place finish as well as having been in the run for the title to the last.  As I mentioned in a previous post, Hope's players had a great attitude change and rose to the occasions most of the time they needed to.

Today's game started out sluggish for Hope, but they pressed on and eventually scored and held on defense when necessary.  Olivet is no slouch team and can beat anyone in the league.  Today was just not their day, however, they are much improved also despite their record.  A decent crowd for them today, although it would have been much nicer to see more students there.  A very nice touch and the Olivet administration and athletic department are to be commended for their wonderful honoring ceremeonies and welcome tent for all U.S. veterans and current military personel as part of yesterday's/this weekend's Veteran's Day holiday.  That was excellent. 

Congrats to Albion on their MIAA title.  I will admit, however, that I was totally shocked at their win over Trine today.  I thought Trine would win and, of course was hoping for that so that Hope could share in the league title, but also am shocked at how they imploded the latter half of the season, but especially today.  Anyway, we'll see just how good Albion really is by what they do in this first playoff game.  Overall, as most of you have already said, the MIAA was a much improved conference this year and hopefully, the teams will do better in their non-conference games next year, which will continue to contribute to their getting to that next level in the playoffs.

I've enjoyed posting with everyone here this season and hope this will continue in the off-season, just like we did last year.

So that's my summary of today's game at Olivet.  I will look forward to hearing about your "take" on the other MIAA games today regarding your teams.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 12, 2011, 08:30:58 PM
I took the short trip to Albion today. Great atmosphere today on Albion's behalf.

Trine looked like Trine today to me. I predicted that Orr would have a big day and he did. 200 yards on the day, averaging 7.1 yards per carry, with one TD. (Albion averaged 6.2 yards per carry today)

The Trine offense was inept, and the play calling had a large part to do with it in my opinion. Had it not been for a score late (with 0:00 on the clock) against the 4th stringers from Albion the game would have ended 41-7.

Congrats to Albion on winning the conference crown. I think they did the most early on with their non-conference schedule to prepare themselves for a run at the crown, and I think it payed off. Best of luck in the playoffs.

Also congrats to Hope on a 7-3 season, to me - they far exceeded their pre-season expectations.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2011, 08:49:21 PM
In reviewing the stats, great attendance today at the MIAA games:

@ Albion, 4143
@ Adrian 2100
@ Olivet 1505

For Albion, that is surprising and better since their fans, while having decent attendance, haven't had the "overbearing" crowds that, IMO, they should have.  Nonetheless, I can imagine what the great collegiate atmosphere must have been like there as ThunderHead mentioned.

Decent crowd for Adrian, considering their faltering and since it was against Alma, but their 8-2 record is still good.  But...(and I'm throwing this out here just for the sake of it) will their President call for the firing of Deere if he continues to produce winning records without a championship? ;D :o ::) :P :-X :D ;)

As far as Olivet, that is a nice crowd for them, considering they were only having about 550 per game, with the exception of a nice homecoming crowd for them (around 2500) earlier.  I forgot to mention that they have some excellent athletic facilities also, which fits well for their college size and campus.

I hope you don't mind me posting these attendance figures, but you guys know I'm a college football history and attendance figures freak! ;D ::) :)  My point is, these numbers today speak well for our conference (at least compared to a great number of the small colleges in DIII). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 13, 2011, 11:05:09 AM
I'm not even going to comment on that game. A joke. I don't understand the game plan at all with all the runs and no passes. Especially considering they didn't and havent have/had Ed Mason who's been benched for missing practices....

This is the season that could have been...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 13, 2011, 12:08:24 PM
Was surprized that Trine did not finish the season stronger. Best wishes to Albion in the playoffs, not sure how they will do against some top seeds. D3football has them against Mount Union in the first round, if so, there is some history there! :)

Formerd3db,

Congrats on Hope havaing a very good year! :) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on November 13, 2011, 02:06:08 PM
Trine Football caught my interest last year after seeing the good game they played against UW Whitewater and the fact that one of our best high school QB's had decided to attend there. I posted and found myself arguing with Thunderhead about the QB he liked and our guy from Wi. Now that the season is over, I see how silly that arguement was. Both of these guys probably figured out the situation with-in days of arriving. In stead of being mentored they were most likely given the plays and thrown out to the lions. This shows them that they chose to play for very lazy coaching. Can you imagine the Badgers treating Wilson in this fashion?? I have not posted much since but have been reading your board. I now see that thunderhead is a very smart guy that really knows his stuff.
I read his posts and saw how critical he was about the coaching staff at Trine and now see that his statements were under statements. In my opinion this coaching staff walked in on a great bunch of players in the class of 2010 and took the credit for their success.
I read posters saying that the players on the sidelines were not cheering for the players on the field. This alone shows the failure of the coaching staff. Moral is one of the primary jobs of a coaching staff and after seeing one of their games was shocked, for this is what we noticed too.
People on this board need to listen to Thunderhead for he tells it as it is, even when  it is painful.
The class of 2010 not only won championships but created a strong recruiting envirnment. I think that the coaching staff not only lost games with probably the best team but also destroyed that edge in recruiting.
I think that the defensive coaches did ok, being very stiff especially in the red zone all year. However the offensive coordinator, O-line coach, and QB coaches are very bad. The calls often times made us laugh. They play like teams of the '50's and '60's. Its 2011!!!
The players were the bright spot, I think they did real well despite poor coaching.
We also feel that the best coach on the team was Ryan Hargraves. This kid did a great job this year. We thought he played scared but now feel that it is not the opponent he feared but was his own coaches.
D3 football is so pure because the players play for the love of the game, however it is very evident that this coaching staff steals that love, shooting themselves in the foot. Changes need to be made!
One  another note, the MIAA champs scored only 3 points against an average WIAC team this year.
Congrats to Albion but play-offs will be a very steep slope.
JUST MY OPINION!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 13, 2011, 03:27:01 PM
After reading the posts about Alma, I had to look at the stats, is this correct?

Jarrett Leister

1-10 in the air.
0.3 average
sacked 3 times for 16 yards
2 picks

What the heck happened to this Scot-Gun? I haven't seen only 10 pass attempts in a game since 5th grade.  ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on November 13, 2011, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 13, 2011, 11:05:09 AM
I'm not even going to comment on that game. A joke. I don't understand the game plan at all with all the runs and no passes. Especially considering they didn't and havent have/had Ed Mason who's been benched for missing practices....

This is the season that could have been...


It was a sad year in Alma after alot of expectations but when you throw 20 pick and fumble the ball 15 times and your turnover ratio is minus double digits you will rarely win football games. I sure hope that they get the ship righted. They seemed to regress as the season went on and tanked in the end.  They have alot of work to do and I think the offense needs to be overhauled and more power football installed. There is always next year right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 13, 2011, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on November 13, 2011, 02:06:08 PM
Trine Football caught my interest last year after seeing the good game they played against UW Whitewater and the fact that one of our best high school QB's had decided to attend there. I posted and found myself arguing with Thunderhead about the QB he liked and our guy from Wi. Now that the season is over, I see how silly that arguement was. Both of these guys probably figured out the situation with-in days of arriving. In stead of being mentored they were most likely given the plays and thrown out to the lions. This shows them that they chose to play for very lazy coaching. Can you imagine the Badgers treating Wilson in this fashion?? I have not posted much since but have been reading your board. I now see that thunderhead is a very smart guy that really knows his stuff.
I read his posts and saw how critical he was about the coaching staff at Trine and now see that his statements were under statements. In my opinion this coaching staff walked in on a great bunch of players in the class of 2010 and took the credit for their success.
I read posters saying that the players on the sidelines were not cheering for the players on the field. This alone shows the failure of the coaching staff. Moral is one of the primary jobs of a coaching staff and after seeing one of their games was shocked, for this is what we noticed too.
People on this board need to listen to Thunderhead for he tells it as it is, even when  it is painful.
The class of 2010 not only won championships but created a strong recruiting envirnment. I think that the coaching staff not only lost games with probably the best team but also destroyed that edge in recruiting.
I think that the defensive coaches did ok, being very stiff especially in the red zone all year. However the offensive coordinator, O-line coach, and QB coaches are very bad. The calls often times made us laugh. They play like teams of the '50's and '60's. Its 2011!!!
The players were the bright spot, I think they did real well despite poor coaching.
We also feel that the best coach on the team was Ryan Hargraves. This kid did a great job this year. We thought he played scared but now feel that it is not the opponent he feared but was his own coaches.
D3 football is so pure because the players play for the love of the game, however it is very evident that this coaching staff steals that love, shooting themselves in the foot. Changes need to be made!
One  another note, the MIAA champs scored only 3 points against an average WIAC team this year.
Congrats to Albion but play-offs will be a very steep slope.
JUST MY OPINION!!!!

You do realize that the class that just graduated with 3 straight MIAA champiuonships in the spring was actually the class of 2011 (because they graduated in the year 2011). Yes their last football season was in 2010, but that is not how graduating classes are determined - well maybe in Wisconsin it is, I don't know, but in the rest of the world it is determined by the year you graduate. Also, the class of 2011 (2010 in Wisconsin) was actually this staffs 3rd recruiting class - so they didn't walk in on anything.

I agree, the 7-3 record is a travesty - you are right this staff has got to go how does a D3 school put up with ****? (insert sarcasm font) When Trine lost to Adrian everyone was praising Adrian and sure they were going tot the playoffs, Albion is going to the playoffs, and was undefeated in conference play. On paper and on the field both teams were better than Trine this year. I didn't like the Hope loss - but sometimes with a young team you get those kinds of games. This group now has a year of experience under it's belt as well a JV team that played well all year from what I heard. Mix in the next recruiting class that just walks in(sarcasm font)  and who knows what happens. Regardless if they win the championship in 2012 (graduating class of 2013) or not this program is in a much better place than the 0-30 or what ever they were before this staff turned it around. I believe they are 46 - 17 since this staff arrived - and 36 - 7 in the last four years.

Just my opinion, but you know what they say about opinions.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope52 on November 13, 2011, 05:13:34 PM
nice job albion  good  luck in the playoffs
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 13, 2011, 05:27:30 PM
Congrats to Albion - they played lights out yesterday. They ranthe ball, threw the ball, played good defense and special teams. They are the best team I saw inthe MIAA all year. Clinton Orr is the real deal. I was especially impressed with the play of the middle backers and corners for the Brits. Good luck in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 13, 2011, 05:59:36 PM
adiadas28,

agree on your assessment of the Brits. K+ to get you off zero.  ;) (cause I know you love the smiley faces)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
Congratulations to Albion.

Your reward?  An all-expenses paid trip to beautiful Whitewater! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2011, 07:28:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
Congratulations to Albion.

Your reward?  An all-expenses paid trip to beautiful Whitewater! :P

Franklin was the lucky winner last year.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 13, 2011, 07:41:42 PM
Let me be the first to welcome Albion fans to WHITEWATER.  If you have any questions about lodging, eating, etc. feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2011, 07:28:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
Congratulations to Albion.

Your reward?  An all-expenses paid trip to beautiful Whitewater! :P

Franklin was the lucky winner last year.   ;D

Yeah, getting to host Thomas More is a bit more doable! ;D

I'd been wondering whether Franklin or IWU would host the presumed 4/5 game in the 'North' - they solved the 'problem' by making them BOTH #4s in different regions! ;)  You host a team that was undefeated right up thru week 8; we host the record-breaking QB from Monmouth.  Good luck to both our teams (though your reward for beating TM would be another trip to Whitewater :P).

Good luck to Albion.  I have essentially no hope of actual victory, but at least do a Franklin on 'em!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 13, 2011, 07:45:49 PM
Albion v UWW - tough draw, real tough draw.

Good luck to Albion, represent.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2011, 07:56:11 PM
Raider68:
Thanks.  The 7-3 year was indeed a good year for Hope.  Yet, as I said previously, we are not "there yet" but have made tremendous improvement.  If we get a few more players to step in for some of the positions (including some who are graduating) that will be an even bigger "boost".  Good luck to your Mount in the playoffs.

adidas:
Albion definately got better each week.  Although Hope only lost to them 12-3, they controlled the game and could have scored at least another, maybe 2 TDs. However, Hope did not play well that game and I will say that if Hope had played like they did against Trine (and Adrian -before the last 4 minute breakdown in the 4th quarter), they would have beaten Albion.  As much as I'd like our MIAA representative to advance in the playoffs, I do not think that will be happening this year.  I agree with Mr. Ypsi - I will be shocked if Albion beats UWW - I think they'll crush Albion.  But...I've been known to be wrong before. ;D :o ::) ??? :)

wised3fan2:
I don't pretend to know even the slightest details of the aspects regarding Trine's coaching staff that you are discussing.  However, if the situation as as you and ThunderHead say it is there, then indeed, there are problems.  I will say, however, that what you describe as far as "coaching" also can go the opposite way just as much.  Last year at Hope, many people were calling for Kreps and staff to "get the axe".  The problem was, was that it was not the coaching, but rather the play of the players.  When you instruct a player to react or play a certain way, teaching techniques, etc., etc. yet they continue to make the same exact mistakes week after week, that is not the fault of the coaches, that is on the player.  Anyway, I wasn't aware that Trine had that much turnover in the coaching staff this year - so what then was the difference/why was there such a change in response from players from essentially the same coaches if there was not a major turnover? ???  Just curious.

ACMIAAD3 and sflzman:
That is strange.  I will say (and this is only my opinion), I have thought for a long time that Alma might benefit from having a complete overhaul of their offense.  They have been running the "Scot Gun", which is essentially the original "Run and Shoot", which today everyone in big-time football calls the "open offenses"for almost 20 years now.  They were actually running it before the big schools started doing it.  Anyway, sometimes a change like that needs to be done.  I remember back in the early 1990's, former Head Coach Ray Smith at Hope made an offense change after many years.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.

Also, too bad about Mason, however, if you don't follow the rules, you don't get to play.  No excuses.

Good comments everyone! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 13, 2011, 07:59:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 13, 2011, 07:56:11 PM
Raider68:
Thanks.  The 7-3 year was indeed a good year for Hope.  Yet, as I said previously, we are not "there yet" but have made tremendous improvement.  If we get a few more players to step in for some of the positions (including some who are graduating) that will be an even bigger "boost".  Good luck to your Mount in the playoffs.

adidas:
Albion definately got better each week.  Although Hope only lost to them 12-3, they controlled the game and could have scored at least another, maybe 2 TDs. However, Hope did not play well that game and I will say that if Hope had played like they did against Trine (and Adrian -before the last 4 minute breakdown in the 4th quarter), they would have beaten Albion.  As much as I'd like our MIAA representative to advance in the playoffs, I do not think that will be happening this year.  I agree with Mr. Ypsi - I will be shocked if Albion beats UWW - I think they'll crush Albion.  But...I've been known to be wrong before. ;D :o ::) ??? :)

wised3fan2:
I don't pretend to know even the slightest details of the aspects regarding Trine's coaching staff that you are discussing. However, if the situation as as you and ThunderHead say it is there, then indeed, there are problems.  I will say, however, that what you describe as far as "coaching" also can go the opposite way just as much.  Last year at Hope, many people were calling for Kreps and staff to "get the axe".  The problem was, was that it was not the coaching, but rather the play of the players.  When you instruct a player to react or play a certain way, teaching techniques, etc., etc. yet they continue to make the same exact mistakes week after week, that is not the fault of the coaches, that is on the player.  Anyway, I wasn't aware that Trine had that much turnover in the coaching staff this year - so what then/why was  ???  Just curious.

ACMIAAD3 and sflzman:
That is strange.  I will say (and this is only my opinion), I have thought for a long time that Alma might benefit from having a complete overhaul of their offense.  They have been running the "Scot Gun", which is essentially the original "Run and Shoot", which today everyone in big-time football calls the "open offenses"for almost 20 years now.  They were actually running it before the big schools started doing it.  Anyway, sometimes a change like that needs to be done.  I remember back in the early 1990's, former Head Coach Ray Smith at Hope made an offense change after many years.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.

Also, too bad about Mason, however, if you don't follow the rules, you don't get to play.  No excuses.

Good comments everyone! 

To be fair, I have had issues with how things happened this year, as any fan of any program does when a team doesn't win. But I also want to be clear I'm not saying guys should be fired over it. The success Trine has had recently can be directly contributed to Coach Land, however if success rides so much with a coaching staff, then failure should as well. It's just part of the game.

The reality is Trine didn't schedule anyone that helped them prepare for conference play, they never made a move to attempt to re-tool the offense, as such them scoring only 14 points against Albion, 7 against Adrian, and 23 against Hope in their loses, wasn't surprising.

I've heard people say that it had a lot to do with the youth of team, and yet I am not sold on it. I think next year will play out much the same way. They will beat the teams they should, but struggle with the upper half of the MIAA. Is this coaching? I'm sure to an extent that's accurate, is it on the players? I'm sure that's true as well.

In the end I think the staff does a decent enough job, and I don't see any "real" problems at Trine. I do want to be clear about that.

And as for Albion not being good enough to beat UWW - I don't think anyone in the MIAA could beat UWW this season. As it stands, Albion has the best shot, if only because they play them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 13, 2011, 08:06:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
Congratulations to Albion.

Your reward?  An all-expenses paid trip to beautiful Whitewater! :P

Ah, Mr. Ypsi, have you ever been to Whitewater?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 13, 2011, 08:06:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
Congratulations to Albion.

Your reward?  An all-expenses paid trip to beautiful Whitewater! :P

Ah, Mr. Ypsi, have you ever been to Whitewater?

I love Wisconsin (I was raised a FIB), but have never been to Whitewater, no.  Is it worse than 'beautiful downtown Burbank'?! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2011, 08:18:13 PM
ThunderHead:
I didn't advocate you were calling for the firing of the coaching staff.  I was just asking why the difference in performance, which you attribute to the coaching?  They obviously didn't change their coaching style.  I only brought it up (i.e. firing) to use as a comparison because there were definitely people (behind the scenes as far as the fans) callling for a coaching change at Hope last year - again, that would have been a huge mistake IMO (actually, I'm right in that one ;D :D :o :o ::) ;) :)).

Like you, I have always been a proponent of playing tough non-conference opponents (including DII schools) to help eventually make your team competitive (or at least know how to handle those type of teams and situations) for getting to that "next level", even though you obviously have a change over of players each year.  Of course, those who stay in to their senior year provide that attitude and leadership, their talent notwithstanding to make that happen.  However, that being said, I think you agree that even though you might do that i.e. play tougher non-conference teams, you still have to have the players of talent to do that.  Unfortunately, for a while Hope has not had that, however, I will say they seem to have started to do so this year.  So, while coaching without question has its effects or lack of and thus be responsible for a poor season at times - it comes down to the players (yes, I know that coaches motivate players and that is supposed to be the catalyst, however, however (double use intended ;D) there are definitely times where that is not the problem (as I have shared with you regarding Hope).  Just thought I'd add some additional comments/opinion to this, although again, admittedly as I said, I do not know what the details are at Trine like you and some of the others do in having more of the inside track regarding info.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 13, 2011, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 13, 2011, 08:06:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 07:01:34 PM
Congratulations to Albion.

Your reward?  An all-expenses paid trip to beautiful Whitewater! :P

Ah, Mr. Ypsi, have you ever been to Whitewater?

I love Wisconsin (I was raised a FIB), but have never been to Whitewater, no.  Is it worse than 'beautiful downtown Burbank'?! ;D

I lived there as a kid...didn't know what beautiful was then.  It's actually much better today than it was back in the day. They got a Culver's which helps make my trips back there more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 13, 2011, 08:25:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 13, 2011, 08:18:13 PM
ThunderHead:
I didn't advocate you were calling for the firing of the coaching staff.  I was just asking why the difference in performance, which you attribute to the coaching?  They obviously didn't change their coaching style.  I only brought it up (i.e. firing) to use as a comparison because there were definitely people (behind the scenes as far as the fans) callling for a coaching change at Hope last year - again, that would have been a huge mistake IMO (actually, I'm right in that one ;D :D :o :o ::) ;) :)).

Like you, I have always been a proponent of playing tough non-conference opponents (including DII schools) to help eventually make your team competitive (or at least know how to handle those type of teams and situations) for getting to that "next level", even though you obviously have a change over of players each year.  Of course, those who stay in to their senior year provide that attitude and leadership, their talent notwithstanding to make that happen.  However, that being said, I think you agree that even though you might do that i.e. play tougher non-conference teams, you still have to have the players of talent to do that.  Unfortunately, for a while Hope has not had that, however, I will say they seem to have started to do so this year.  So, while coaching without question has its effects or lack of and thus be responsible for a poor season at times - it comes down to the players (yes, I know that coaches motivate players and that is supposed to be the catalyst, however, however (double use intended ;D) there are definitely times where that is not the problem (as I have shared with you regarding Hope).  Just thought I'd add some additional comments/opinion to this, although again, admittedly as I said, I do not know what the details are at Trine like you and some of the others do in having more of the inside track regarding info.   

I wasn't thinking you were saying that I felt the staff should be fired, I just wanted to clear that thought up because I'm sure some people think I think that's what I do think.

I agree with you on scheduling and your right, you always have to have the players to compete, however I think Hopes schedule helped them with Trine more then Trine's schedule helped them with Hope.

On a whole I think Trine and Hope had similar talent this season, and from what I know, I think Coach Krepps is a fine coach. So what made the difference this year with equal talent (when in the past perhaps that wasn't the case) - well I think one thing that made a difference was their non-conference schedule.

While that may not be the only thing, I think it was one of the things.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2011, 08:48:32 PM
Well, I can understand and agree with you on that i.e. the non-conference schedule could affect a team a different way, such as it did for Trine this year as you believe.  That is to say I can see where that could affect a team in perhaps the opposite way that most people perceive what that type of schedule does for most teams i.e. by playing less talented teams and getting that "easy win".

Also, indeed, Coach Kreps is a very fine coach.  I was impressed even moreso this year and admired his courage because he did what was necessary to win i.e. for example he finally was willing to run some "trick"/gaget plays this year which opened it up when we needed that boost at times in some games.  I know he doesn't care for those type of plays in the overall "picture", but...he did go for it this year when needed i.e. not overboard but just the right mix and times.  But he is not only a fine coach with the actual "game", he is much more than that - a mentor to his players and truly concerned about them for what is eventually more important in life.  Unfortunately, that is not always the case with head coaches at some schools, even at the DIII level (although that is more frequent at the DI level, yet not always, of course).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2011, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on November 13, 2011, 02:06:08 PM
Trine Football caught my interest last year after seeing the good game they played against UW Whitewater and the fact that one of our best high school QB's had decided to attend there. I posted and found myself arguing with Thunderhead about the QB he liked and our guy from Wi. Now that the season is over, I see how silly that arguement was. Both of these guys probably figured out the situation with-in days of arriving. In stead of being mentored they were most likely given the plays and thrown out to the lions. This shows them that they chose to play for very lazy coaching. Can you imagine the Badgers treating Wilson in this fashion?? I have not posted much since but have been reading your board. I now see that thunderhead is a very smart guy that really knows his stuff.
I read his posts and saw how critical he was about the coaching staff at Trine and now see that his statements were under statements. In my opinion this coaching staff walked in on a great bunch of players in the class of 2010 and took the credit for their success.
I read posters saying that the players on the sidelines were not cheering for the players on the field. This alone shows the failure of the coaching staff. Moral is one of the primary jobs of a coaching staff and after seeing one of their games was shocked, for this is what we noticed too.
People on this board need to listen to Thunderhead for he tells it as it is, even when  it is painful.
The class of 2010 not only won championships but created a strong recruiting envirnment. I think that the coaching staff not only lost games with probably the best team but also destroyed that edge in recruiting.
I think that the defensive coaches did ok, being very stiff especially in the red zone all year. However the offensive coordinator, O-line coach, and QB coaches are very bad. The calls often times made us laugh. They play like teams of the '50's and '60's. Its 2011!!!
The players were the bright spot, I think they did real well despite poor coaching.
We also feel that the best coach on the team was Ryan Hargraves. This kid did a great job this year. We thought he played scared but now feel that it is not the opponent he feared but was his own coaches.
D3 football is so pure because the players play for the love of the game, however it is very evident that this coaching staff steals that love, shooting themselves in the foot. Changes need to be made!
One  another note, the MIAA champs scored only 3 points against an average WIAC team this year.
Congrats to Albion but play-offs will be a very steep slope.
JUST MY OPINION!!!!

It is amazing to me that Eric Watt was able to overcome such horrific coaching and win the Gagliardi in spite of them.  The decision makers who chose Eric must have figured the coaching handicap he had and gave him extra credit.  I doubt very much they were instrumental in honing his skills. 

Also, there was a pent-up pool of talent just waiting to come to Trine, and coincidentally the new coaching staff showed up.  They had nothing to do with bringing them in.

If you are giving the players all of the credit for the past success (and not the coaches), then perhaps the players deserve some of the blame for a 7-3 season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 13, 2011, 10:32:31 PM
I agree that Alma needs to change their offense. I've said from the beginning that alma should say were not gonna be the fastest or the most skilled but were gonna take advantage of our location an go after the tough hard nosed kids that norhern Michigan, the UP, and even as far west as into the iron range in Minnesota. You recruit them, and u say were going to control the ball, wear you out, and just beat you physically.

Honestly I think we can get the best kids from northern Michigan and the UP. Going down south we have to fight with all other miaa schools plus NAIA schools, but I think we should say were going to dominate everything from alma north and draw a line across the state.

Kids from northern Michigan and the up have a different attitude and a different toughness to them as the "underdogs" and the "misfits" the "underappreciated" and "unwanted" and they rakena sense of pride in who they are. They work hard and are tough in a different way than the rest of the state. A lot of northern states have that. Minnesotas another great example with the iron range schools. They may not be as fast or physically gifted as you but they're never gonna roll over and they're always gonna leave you sore Saturday morning when you wake up.

I really think alma should just go out and get away from this "pansy ball" as I call it. Run the ball. Beat people with your attitude, ball control and your defense.

IMHO of course.... 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2011, 10:46:22 PM
Pains me to say, but best wishs to Albion against Whitewater. Knocking off a one seed would be a huge boost for the MIAA as a whole and help to establish a better reputation for the future. It will be a tough go as Whitewater is the cream of the crop for Division III, but hopefully Albion can make some noise!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 14, 2011, 12:02:23 AM
sflzman:

I understand your reasoning.  However, regarding the U.P., Alma will now have to contend with recruiting against Finlandia, which is adding DIII football.  They will have the inside track for regional recruits, including Wisconsin and Minnesota.  Also, Alma still has to recruit against Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan and as they are DII schools as you know, the scholarship offer to potential recruits works against Alma there.  Of course, is someone up there wants to "get away fromt the home area" and come all the way down to Alma, that is still viable for Alma to obtain recruits.  However, that is a long distance and again, with the new program and the scholarship programs, those opportunities will be a tough option to beat, IMO.  No that it can't be done, however, I'm just pointing out the challanges/difficulties facing that process.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2011, 12:18:30 AM
Re: Alma recruiting the UP.  Yeah, but if they want to escape Siberia into the sunny south, Alma is the first stop! ;D

[I love the UP, but only about two months of the year! ::)]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on November 14, 2011, 11:52:10 AM
Hello everyone! I've returned from my season long hiatus to give my appraisal of the 2011 MIAA and to leave my two cents worth, as well as offer some things to look forward to in 2012.

First off, this was probably the most interesting race we've had since the Hope/Olivet split in 2007. (It's hard to believe Olivet won a conference title as little as four years ago). A lot of people seem to want to say this means the conference is "better". The MIAA is certainly more competitive, I'm not sure that means it's better. In my mind, better means have teams that are more talented and have superior play. Certainly some teams improved from last year, while a few teams regressed, but in terms of the top of the league, 2011 Albion is not as good a team as 2010 Trine. 2011 Albion is better than 2010 Albion, but not that much better. The improvement of Albion and Hope from a season ago do not make up for the regression of Trine from last season. It's certainly nice to have an interesting league race, but if this is taken as signs of a league that's going to be more competitive NATIONALLY, I think you're reading the tea leaves wrong in that respect. Sorry  :(

My thoughts on this years teams, and what to look for next year:

Albion: It's always nice when the Alma Mater wins a league championship.  :) I have to say, of course I'm biased, but I'm a little surprised at the surprise of Albion success this year. In my mind with Albion being second last year, and returning the bulk of their team, including two all-Americans, I thought it was simply a matter of whether Trine regressed enough to the point of falling behind Albion. Once Trine lost to Albion, I figured the title was ours to lose.

In 2012: Albion will repeat as conference champions. With as many as 17 starters returning, 10 on offense, including Spencer Krauss and Clintor Orr, I feel confident in predicting that the British Empire will last for at least two years.  ;D

Hope: I can say I honestly did not see their improvement coming. With only one starter returning on offense, I figured this would be an outfit that would struggle to score all year. Kudos to coach Kreps and the Hope staff is making huge strides in developing the offense. This must have been a fairly satisfying year for Hope fans after their recent struggles.

In 2012: Hope will finish second again, but be an improved team. If Michael Atwell  continues to progress, Hope will be a formidable opponent next year. Their game at Albion should determine the league crown. Unfortunately for the Flying Dutchmen, that game will be in Albion, a place Hope has struggled to win in recent history.

Adrian: I'm not entirely sure how much this team actually improved from last year. Going into the season, I figured they'd be about the same. Then they started 7-0 and were the talk of the league. But now at 4-2 in the conference, and considering they played a much less challenging schedule this year, it seems they're back about where they started, a solid team, but not at championship level.

In 2012: Adrian will tread water. This team will be a solid outfit, but unless they got an unexpected influx of talent, or make massive improvements, a 3-3 or 4-2 league records looms.

Trine: Personally I think Trine fans are being a little too critical of Coach Land and his staff. I can recall back in 2005 when Albion last one it's championship with Senior Quarterback Steve Wasil. Despite the major parts of that team returning in 2006, Albion struggled to a 3-3 league record. Replacing a quarterback with the physical tools of Eric Watt, in addition to several other key pieces, especially on the offensive line, just is not that easy. Trine regressed because they went from being by far the most talented team in the MIAA to a team of average talent. Now, Trine's success in the past years ought to mean that they've recruited at a high level, but as we've discussed, it's a big jump from High School to college, and these players gained valuable experience. I'm not sure if they'll be back at that high level next year, but I think Trine will be back in the hunt in 2013.

In 2012: Trine will be an improved team, but will still finish third. However, they will put themselves in a position to compete for a title in 2013.

Alma: It was a disappointing year for Scots fans. When I saw Alma play this year, it seemed clear to me they were a talented team. Their inability to turn that talent into wins, or even decent play in the latter part of the season is mystifying to me. However, I'd be cautious to heap blame upon Coach Cole. I think the heat Coach Kreps took the past few years should be a lesson. Sometimes there are things going on inside of a program that a coach just can't control. That being said, it does seem as though Alma is searching for its soul right now.

In 2012: A less talented Alma becomes a better Alma as the team focuses on leadership and coming together as a unit. Although the team plays better, they won't manage to win more than two games in the conference, but they will provide a direction for the team to improve upon. A return to the upper tier in 2013 is possible.

Olivet: Baby Steps! Winning a game is a big accomplishment for this program. After all, any Tom, Dick or Stanley can go 0-10. It takes a team to win a game. After some program turmoil, it seems that kids are buying what Coach Hulkow is selling. Olivet has also developed an identity of running the ball and playing tough defense. Still, this team lacks the talent to compete with the upper level teams in this league.

In 2012: Olivet makes more progress and is a tough out for most MIAA teams, but their lack of talent still holds them to just a single league win.

Kalamazoo: Kalamazoo has been a team that has improved significantly over the past four years, however, they've never turned the corner to come into the upper echelon. I'm afraid I think Kalamazoo has reached the peak with their current group of players this year, and will have to start rebuilding again.

In 2012: Kalamazoo struggles and fails to win a league game.


Finally, good luck to my Britons next Saturday. Certainly though, Whitewater is a tall order though.

To everyone else, I hope you enjoyed another great year of MIAA Football!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on November 14, 2011, 01:19:46 PM
While not D3, did anyone notice the GLIAC teams that made the playoff's?  Hillsdale won the league outright and didn't get in.....Wayne St. and Saginaw Valley did get in while both tying for 2nd place with GVSU........(all the 2nd place teams had 3 loses (Hillsdale had 2)) and GVSU destroyed SVSU this past Sat.......very odd I would say.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2011, 12:18:30 AM
Re: Alma recruiting the UP.  Yeah, but if they want to escape Siberia into the sunny south, Alma is the first stop! ;D

[I love the UP, but only about two months of the year! ::)]

They have a word up there for people like you Mr. Y..........troll (ya know, someone who lives under the bridge).   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2011, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: sac on November 14, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2011, 12:18:30 AM
Re: Alma recruiting the UP.  Yeah, but if they want to escape Siberia into the sunny south, Alma is the first stop! ;D

[I love the UP, but only about two months of the year! ::)]

They have a word up there for people like you Mr. Y..........troll (ya know, someone who lives under the bridge).   ;)

Yeah, I was raised as a FIB (according to Cheeseheads); for 40+ years I've been a troll (according to Yoopers).  I just can't win! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 14, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
I remember once - long ago - there was a band that I saw at some RV convention show, anyway they were called the "yoopers" I think.

Their music was very red neck funny, and I think I even bought a CD, just because it played to my sense of humor.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 14, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
I remember once - long ago - there was a band that I saw at some RV convention show, anyway they were called the "yoopers" I think.

Their music was very red neck funny, and I think I even bought a CD, just because it played to my sense of humor.  :D

Da Yoopers are legendary.


You've probably heard this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb9yhhflmvY

If you've ever been through Ishpeming, you've probably driven past this......
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fa%2Fac%2F2009-0617-DaYooperTouristTrap.jpg%2F250px-2009-0617-DaYooperTouristTrap.jpg&hash=e5fbd80537dc61c623a78a38df47bd2f0dcfeefe)

It's owned by members of the band.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 14, 2011, 04:05:36 PM
For those Albion fans coming to WHITEWATER for the game and would like to stay at the same hotel as your team here is the contact information.

Holiday Inn Express
Janesville Conference Center
3100 Wellington Place
Janesville, WI 53546
608-756-3100 General Number

There is also this hotel if you prefer to stay in WHITEWATER

Baymont Inn (Formerly known as AmeriHost)
   1355 West Main Street
   Whitewater, WI 53190
   262-472-9400
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 14, 2011, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: sac on November 14, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 14, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
I remember once - long ago - there was a band that I saw at some RV convention show, anyway they were called the "yoopers" I think.

Their music was very red neck funny, and I think I even bought a CD, just because it played to my sense of humor.  :D

Da Yoopers are legendary.


You've probably heard this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb9yhhflmvY

If you've ever been through Ishpeming, you've probably driven past this......
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fa%2Fac%2F2009-0617-DaYooperTouristTrap.jpg%2F250px-2009-0617-DaYooperTouristTrap.jpg&hash=e5fbd80537dc61c623a78a38df47bd2f0dcfeefe)

It's owned by members of the band.

I've not head the pleasure of visiting the UP. I've got some friends that make an a trip Isle Royal every year or so, and I often get invited, however I haven't had the time. If I ever do though, I'll have to be sure and swing through Ishpeming. Thanks for the info sac!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2011, 05:46:17 PM
+k to SAC for posting the Yoopers video link!  Brought back great memories!

We drove through the UP on our way to the River Falls game last year.  Beautiful drive all the way. 

Also spent a week in the UP as well for summer vacation.  Made sure we visited the Mystery Spot  ;) , Whitefish Point Lighthouse and Museum, Tachquamenon Falls, Oswald's Bear Ranch, and the Soo Locks.  Missed Picured Rocks but that is certainly a must-see. 

Nice write-up by RuleBritannia as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 15, 2011, 08:51:23 AM
I wish Albion best of luck against UWW, but the Warhawks are just too strong!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 15, 2011, 01:38:28 PM
The MIAA is 3-16 in first round playoff games.


If you take out Albion's National Championship run in 1994, the MIAA is 2-18 in the playoffs.  :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2011, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: sac on November 15, 2011, 01:38:28 PM
The MIAA is 3-16 in first round playoff games.


If you take out Albion's National Championship run in 1994, the MIAA is 2-18 in the playoffs.  :-[

Thanks for that little ray of sunshine!   :) 

Trine was 2-1 in first round games (wins verse DePauw and Case Western, loss against Wheaton), so perhaps that MIAA jinx is broken and Albion will shock the world with a playoff victory as well!   :o  What color gatorade do I need for Albion???  Purple and Gold?   Not sure that will be enough help, but one can only hope.......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 15, 2011, 03:54:21 PM
UR - Just because I hooked you up with your Trine Blue Gatorade I figured I would hook you up with a special playoff addition of "Albion Purple Blast". Enjoy.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 15, 2011, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2011, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: sac on November 15, 2011, 01:38:28 PM
The MIAA is 3-16 in first round playoff games.


If you take out Albion's National Championship run in 1994, the MIAA is 2-18 in the playoffs.  :-[

Thanks for that little ray of sunshine!   :) 

Trine was 2-1 in first round games (wins verse DePauw and Case Western, loss against Wheaton), so perhaps that MIAA jinx is broken and Albion will shock the world with a playoff victory as well!   :o  What color gatorade do I need for Albion???  Purple and Gold?   Not sure that will be enough help, but one can only hope.......


My mistakes, I failed to notice MIAA.org playoff history was not updated for 2010.

So the MIAA is 4-16 in first round games, 3-19 in the playoffs.   still  :-[

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 15, 2011, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 15, 2011, 03:54:21 PM
UR - Just because I hooked you up with your Trine Blue Gatorade I figured I would hook you up with a special playoff addition of "Albion Purple Blast". Enjoy.  ;)

Thunderhead,

Nice Pic +k! :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2011, 05:21:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 15, 2011, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 15, 2011, 03:54:21 PM
UR - Just because I hooked you up with your Trine Blue Gatorade I figured I would hook you up with a special playoff addition of "Albion Purple Blast". Enjoy.  ;)

Thunderhead,

Nice Pic +k! :) :)

ThunderHead with DOUBLE-DIGIT karma!  Now I have seen everything!  I am a little worried, this must be a sign of the apocalypse!   :D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2011, 05:22:41 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 15, 2011, 03:54:21 PM
UR - Just because I hooked you up with your Trine Blue Gatorade I figured I would hook you up with a special playoff addition of "Albion Purple Blast". Enjoy.  ;)

Doesn't taste nearly as good as the Blue, but it will have to do for now...... ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2011, 10:28:54 PM
What? No comments/discussion by any of our Albion colleagues here during playoff week #1 before their big game with UWW?  What goes you Albion guys? ???

BTW, also, good luck to Mr. Ypsi and his alma mater IWU in their first playoff game quest. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2011, 10:55:28 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2011, 10:28:54 PM
What? No comments/discussion by any of our Albion colleagues here during playoff week #1 before their big game with UWW?  What goes you Albion guys? ???

BTW, also, good luck to Mr. Ypsi and his alma mater IWU in their first playoff game quest. :)

Do we have any Albion guys other than Rule Britannia?  (I already warned the WIAC board that they weren't going to get any "You've never seen a team like ..." trashtalk from the MIAA - the WIAC (and, specifically, UWW) are too well known here for any stupid boasts.  I will be thrilled if Albion can hold it to under 30.)

As to IWU/Monmouth, I am confident that overall IWU is the much better team, but a 'super-QB' like Alex Tanney (holder of several all-time d3 records) scares the bejeezes out of me.  (I well remember what Chad Rupp (Franklin) did to NCC in 2008.)  IF we keep him fom going off for 4-5 TDs, I'm pretty confident of victory.  I'm hoping that our defense will put him on his back before he can get off those killer passes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2011, 11:10:31 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Yes, D306 is an Albion poster, although since he has moved away from Michigan to help in some extended family aspects, he isn't able to post as often as he had done so in the past and/or would perhaps like to.  He did have some posts here this fall season, however.  We used to have a couple of other Albion posters also, however, they have been AWOL I believe. ::) ;).  I would have liked to hear all our Albion supporter's opinions on the upcoming game as I believe they would obviously know their team somewhat better than the rest of us other MIAA team supporters who only saw them against our respective teams.

Thanks for your perspective on the upcoming IWU playoff game.  Your alma mater just might surprise you.  Also, how about that Eastern Michigan team as they won again last week.  I think that Ron English just might have a winning season this year.

In addition, I wasn't sure if you and the others here saw this, but Hope College is playing DI Western Michigan University in basketball on November 30th and it is NOT an exhibition game, but rather will count as an official game in this year's schedule it is my understanding.  I think that is great and will be a real neat experience for the DIII guys.  My only concern, however, is that, in one sense, it might have been nicer to have this with one of Hope's past outstanding teams a few years ago as Hope's teams in recent years have not quite been the powerhouses that they were in some of those past years.  Nonetheless, it should be a neat experience for them as I mentioned.  I just might try to make the "jaunt" down there to see the game.  Remember about 4-5 years ago when Wheaton played Northwestern of the Big Ten in a "real" game and took them to the buzzer?  As most everyone knows, some of the Big Ten and other DI teams have been playing the smaller schools early in the basketball season the past 3 years or so, although those games have been designated as "exhibitions" and not a regular season game.  Kind of a ridiculous "semantic nomenclature" IMO - just count it as a regular game if you are going to play it, although I suspect that has to do with the NCAA rules regarding the total number of "real" games teams play each year.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2011, 11:33:30 PM
Yeah, EMU will almost certainly win AT LEAST one more game (probably two) and GO BOWLING!  Amazing!  And the troll in me says: yeah, so English takes a real job!  I so hope I am wrong, but that is the history at EMU.  My positive side says: English hasn't done enough YET to get the really big bucks, so we keep him at least one more year, then God smiles and we get another Ron English on the upswing!  History says scenario 1; optimism says scenario 2; we shall see.

I'm pretty confident we take down Monmouth (though Tanney scares the hell  out of me) and in the d3 Pickems I even have IWU upsetting UST!  In fact, 'homer' that I am, I then have IWU beating DelVal, before losing to UWW in the semis.  I also have NCC beating everyone (including UMU) right up to the Sragg, though losing to UWW in the ultimate game.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on November 17, 2011, 12:22:26 AM
Well hello there....long time reader first and most likely only time posting.  But just wanted to touch on the following

Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2011, 10:28:54 PM
What? No comments/discussion by any of our Albion colleagues here during playoff week #1 before their big game with UWW?  What goes you Albion guys? ???




Tried looking through old posts but I couldn't go back far enough to find a post that touches on this.  If people know how to search the archives...look to the MIAA mens basketball board and look for the last post by Mark Bavarro around Nov-Dec 2004 or Jan 2005.  It hints at continuing "to keep fighting the good fight" and signified the end of all veteran Albion posters until D306 and Rule Britania came along.  Some of you long time posters may recall those times.

Around the end of 2004/early 2005 particular "powers that be" made it hazardous for Albion posters to post on these boards.....I hope a similar fate does not ever befall the boards on which Thiel fans post.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 17, 2011, 12:26:04 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2011, 11:10:31 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

In addition, I wasn't sure if you and the others here saw this, but Hope College is playing DI Western Michigan University in basketball on November 30th and it is NOT an exhibition game, but rather will count as an official game in this year's schedule it is my understanding.  I think that is great and will be a real neat experience for the DIII guys.  My only concern, however, is that, in one sense, it might have been nicer to have this with one of Hope's past outstanding teams a few years ago as Hope's teams in recent years have not quite been the powerhouses that they were in some of those past years.  Nonetheless, it should be a neat experience for them as I mentioned.  I just might try to make the "jaunt" down there to see the game.  Remember about 4-5 years ago when Wheaton played Northwestern of the Big Ten in a "real" game and took them to the buzzer?  As most everyone knows, some of the Big Ten and other DI teams have been playing the smaller schools early in the basketball season the past 3 years or so, although those games have been designated as "exhibitions" and not a regular season game.  Kind of a ridiculous "semantic nomenclature" IMO - just count it as a regular game if you are going to play it, although I suspect that has to do with the NCAA rules regarding the total number of "real" games teams play each year.

Not only all that, but Western is one of the favorites in the MAC (MAC West favorite) and would probably feel anything short of making the NCAA's would be a disappointment.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 17, 2011, 12:52:31 AM
Santino DiCesare of Hope was this week's play of the week

http://www.d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2011/week11


also, what is Hope wearing?  :-\
Title: Olivet
Post by: rome on November 17, 2011, 11:21:43 AM
And the search is on for another coach....my word.

BRING IRV BACK BY ANY MEANS....

NO IRV...NOEL DEAN....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaaol on November 17, 2011, 02:26:40 PM
As an Alum of Olivet it is hard to see how fast and how far we have fallen.  We won the MIAA only 5 years ago and now we are once again the laughingstock of the MIAA.  If you truly want to build a program you need a yonuger coach who wants to be at that level long term.  Hiring another old retired High School coach simply wont get it done.  Irv was obviously the exception, he could be hired by any team in America and they would improve over night.  There are not very many Irv Siglers out there.  He got the guys to buy in and it showed.  We would have ran through a 10 foot thick brick wall for Irv.  I really dont have an answer for who we should look at.  Irv is obviously off the table but I think he would be a great guy to have help out with the search.  I hope it turns out well. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 17, 2011, 02:33:45 PM
just in case readers haven't figured it out, Olivet's head coach Rich Hulkow, retired....

http://www.olivetcomets.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20111117zrlp39
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2011, 03:12:53 PM
From rome's posting, I assumed that was the situation and then checked Olivet's website to confirm, and as the link has been posted here by you sac.  I'm sure there are many people that are in agreement with miaaol.  For sure, there were many who questioned Hulkow's hiring in the first place, even though he was highly successful high school coach.  As many discussed on the boards here at that time and as miaaol has also commented on, the jump from high school to college coaching - even at the small college level - is tremendous.  Without question, as has been discussed, Irv Sigler is an exception and a rare breed in that regard.  In one sense, it is difficult to think that the selection committee didn't have at least a small question/thought in the back of their minds as to just how long Hulkow would plan to coach.  I'm assuming that they all thought (and most likely Hulkow did) that he would be there for the long haul - at least 5 years as we all know that is the usual time (and essentially standard accepted timeframe) it takes to turn a program around; otherwise, I would find it simply baffling as to why they would have proceeded to hire him for only two years.  It is obvious that Hulkow, for whatever reason(s), changed his mind.  He certainly gave it "that old college try". Nonetheless, I wish him all the best in this next chapter of his life as he retires from active coaching. 

It is unfortunate that Olivet now has to start all over again.  It reminds me of the tough times they went through after that 1974 football championship season (their first in 61 years since 1913), when they were changing coaches somewhat frequently.  You can't build a program very well with frequent coaching changes, although a big part of the problem back then was Olivet's difficulty in retaining their football student-athletes.  A huge freshman class would come in, yet after the second year, a large number of them would be gone from the college and another huge class would come in, only to do the same.  They had some great individual players during that period and also tied for the MIAA title and had the co-championship with Albion in 1991 in which they went 7-1-1 overall and 4-0-1 in the league standings (before their share of the title was forfeited due to a mix-up regarding the use of an ineligable player), yet overall, they continued to struggle until Sigler came in and, despite what some people say, the Sigler/Livedotti combo (Livedotti's second stint as you all know) did work also (BTW, both Sigler and Livedotti were ALL-MIAA selections at Olivet during their playing days and I believe they are in the Olivet College Athletic HOF).

At any rate, I again agree with miaaol (and for the sake of rome also! :) ::) :o), that Olivet chooses a young enthusiastic coach who will plan on staying there for several years and hopefully bring them back to their high competitiveness that they had during the last decade until these last 4-5 years.  It can be done and also with Olivet's desire to try and increase enrollment to steadily over 1,000 (perhaps the 1,200-1,300 range) as I understand (and which they had in the early 1970's) that would be of great help.  Their facilities are very nice for the size of their school and they are not at the "bottom of the league in that regard" anymore.  Also, it would be great if they could somehow get more of their students to attend the games and/or even more support from the surrounding communities, region.  Just my thoughts on this.  It will be interesting to see what happens and I wish them luck.  We need a strong Olivet in the conference and no reason why that can't be done.  I know of a few candidates that I personally believe would be a good choice, however, I am not going to mention any names here and will keep them to myself.  Besides, what do I know about it anyway?! ::) :o ;D :D ;) :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2011, 03:24:06 PM
Cousin Eddie:

Welcome to the board, although you don't have to be a "flash in the pan" or "onetime wonder"! ;D :)  We welcome your participation and I hope you will stay on and post, at least periodically.  Obviously, you don't have to be as frequent as some of us "nutty" veteran MIAA'ers are here (or others such as our guest poster i.e. honorary MIAA'er, but full OAC poster and friend Raider68 ;)), but there is nothing wrong with an occasional post, even if infrequent if you are so inclined.

Regarding your first post, I, for some reason cannot recall that situation i.e. the "hazzardous" atmosphere for Albion posters on here by whoever it was you allege.  I and others here have been participating on this board for a very long time (for me, some 11 years as I recall - wow, I had admitting that because it makes me feel even older than I am :o ::) :'( ;) ;D), yet I do not remember of which you speak.  Perhaps I just flat out missed that time for some reason or another.  At any rate, unless those Albion posters "crossed the line" in regards to posting rules/etiquette sliding toward personal attacks and/or outright debauchery and sloviness and other miscreant behavior :o :o ::) :P (all of which are legit reasons for banning/dismissal, etc.,), I don't think that Pat and his staff would "blacklist" them or make it hazzardous for posting.  Perhaps I have competely misunderstood the context of your post and you are talking about "good natured harrassment" of Albion posters by other fellow MIAA school supporters? ??? :o ::) :)

Anyway, while I am obviously not an Albion fan by any means and for various reasons ( ::) :o ;) ;D), nonetheless, I will be rooting for them in the playoffs as our MIAA league representative team.  Again, welcome to the board and I hope you will stay on in the future, even if that is not as frequent as the rest of us. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2011, 03:55:48 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Thanks for the further thoughts on Eastern Michigan and your IWU.  It will be interesting to see what plays out for them both.  I also agree that it would be best if English stayed on another year.  Once you get a solid base as it appears he is starting to do, things can start to "steamroll", as we've seen from other examples at times i.e. Maryland, Northwestern, TCU, even Rutgers, etc., etc., just to cite a few various examples.  Look also at Ohio in the MAC - while no powerhouse, still Solich (like him or not) has done a great job there and they are back to respectability and competitiveness.  But, as I mentioned in my post regarding Olivet, we all know (and I think accept) that it takes no less than 5 years to get a program back on track.  If English does that at Eastern Michigan, who knows, they might even get more people to come to the games.  Their attendance has been down this year as we've discussed (which is strange since they are having a winning season), while they were up last year at...was it 17,000 per game as I recall?

Anyway, again good luck to IWU this weekend.  Interesting and good discussion on D3's main page regarding them and their bracket (and the other brackets as well) by Pat, Keith, Ryan and Frank. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 17, 2011, 03:56:05 PM
The Albion stuff was mostly on the basketball board.  Albion college blocked the d3.com's family of sites from students.  I don't recall it exactly but I remember some of my Albion friends mentioning something about participation on these boards was not welcomed by the administration.

I don't wish to define 'administration' but it was not necessarily just people in the fancy offices with fancy titles.  It was also dumb, but that's beside the point.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2011, 04:08:56 PM
Wow, I'd forgotten about that. How long ago was that now?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2011, 04:11:45 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2011, 03:56:05 PM
The Albion stuff was mostly on the basketball board.  Albion college blocked the d3.com's family of sites from students.  I don't recall it exactly but I remember some of my Albion friends mentioning something about participation on these boards was not welcomed by the administration.

I don't wish to define 'administration' but it was not necessarily just people in the fancy offices with fancy titles.  It was also dumb, but that's beside the point.

Thanks for the follow-up regarding the "history" of the topic in question.  I didn't think it was here on the football boards.  As we all know, the basketball boards can and often do get way out of hand, so very much more so than we've had on the football boards here.  And for that matter, our MIAA board has, at least in my opinion and knowledge, always been pretty much respectful and one of the better ones in that regard, even when we posters have some major disagreements of opinion.

As far as the Albion "admininstration" or whoever didn't like these boards, I agree with you that was dumb and IMO, they are/were misguided in that regard.  There is no reason that people can't share and enjoy their love of DIII sports here and for that matter, those in the Albion "family" who were objecting obviously missed the good discussion, commentary, opinions shared here by the majority of posters who support the DIII philosophy regarding academics/athletics.  Or they just simply chose to ignore it, which makes that even dumber as you mention.  Just MO. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on November 17, 2011, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2011, 03:56:05 PM
The Albion stuff was mostly on the basketball board.  Albion college blocked the d3.com's family of sites from students.  I don't recall it exactly but I remember some of my Albion friends mentioning something about participation on these boards was not welcomed by the administration.

I don't wish to define 'administration' but it was not necessarily just people in the fancy offices with fancy titles.  It was also dumb, but that's beside the point.

You pretty much have it.  Even though it was basketball season at the time...."administration/powers that be/the British Crown" were looking at participation on all MIAA boards.  Formerd3db....it was nothing to do with Pat or others associated with d3.com  It was very dumb....and a bit of an unnecessary throwing around of perceived weight and power.  It lasted for a couple of years.  That length of time may possibly be the reason those former Albion posters lost ties to the board or to the school and just have not returned. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2011, 06:07:18 PM
Cousin Eddie:

Thanks for the additional follow-up.  I totally understood "who" you were talking about i.e. the "British Crown" or whoever those clowns were and I never thought it had anything to do with Pat and his staff - absolutely not.  As you can see, Pat posted that he almost forgot about those antics also!  And again, since I rarely post on the basketbabll board and only follow it once in awhile (you know I'm a football guy at heart ;D), I really didn't know anything about it.  However, be assured that if they would have attempted any idiot pinings such as that on our board, we (and certainly Pat and his staff) would have dealt with it accordingly and appropriately.  Anyway, as you mention, it is best those guys are "long gone" from the scene. :)

Again, don't you be a stranger around here either - post with us at least once in a while. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on November 17, 2011, 07:31:24 PM
Just as an fyi for anybody who may not be aware Hope's individual game highlights can be found at:

http://www.youtube.com/user/HopeCollegeFootball

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 17, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
formerd3db,

Did not know about the Olivet HC situation, but can the program compete in the future?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 17, 2011, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 17, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
formerd3db,

Did not know about the Olivet HC situation, but can the program compete in the future?

With their commuter tuition program, Olivet should be competing now without much problem.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2011, 11:52:33 PM
Raider68:

Yes, they can.  As was noted by the other Olivet posters, Irv Sigler/Dom Lividotti proved it this past decade.  They just need to find the right person and as I mentioned, it would probably serve them best to get a young, energetic coach who would plan to stay for a while.  BTW, hope your trip went well if took it already (or is that next week during Thanksgiving?).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 18, 2011, 08:22:25 AM
I am no expert on Albion nor am I an "insider" on this years team.

I do recall the " british" rules and tight command in the early - mid 2000's
The new AD, President and energy on campus for building / polishing the tradition is starting to pay dividends. Tough economic times for the MIAA, have to build a atmosphere that leads Students to MIAA schools, indifference to State schools and some of the up and coming new football programs that guys think they can start at sooner/easier.

I logged in today to hear a little more detail about Albion playoffs, and the state of Olivet coaching.

Thanks for posting folks.

I have a little knowledge of the Senior Class, and Red Shirt Juniors at Albion.
Good athletes, who are healthy now.
I believe the team is a little more explosive on Offense than in recent years, mostly due to the health of QB and RB both had Red Shirt years, WR/TE have had a few years now with system.
Defense is opportunistic, though not as stout as mid 200's teams, playing with a lead does great things for a defense. Apply pressure and wait for the pass plays.
The fact that Trine was not the dominant powerhouse of the past few years, opened up the MIAA this year.
I say again, playing a tough out of conference schedule preps a team for winning in the MIAA.
Hope, and Albion's history of losses in tough out of league games, then winning the MIAA or placing 2nd is a trend not to be ignored.

UWW looks very good and has a nice blend of pass and running game.
1 and done for the MIAA, hoping Albion can provide strong competition, build for next year with Albion returning several key players.

Olivet needs to settle the internal battles, the team has the opportunity and geographic area to pull some solid talent. The fans and school support athletics.

Is Kazoo new field ready for next year?, have to catch a game just to see the stadium.

Big games in HS Football this weekend, you know I am back in town to see my "boys"

Have a good Holiday folks, enjoy the family and friends time flies by.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2011, 08:39:29 AM
D306:

Always good to have you drop in here for a post once in awhile.  Good post and summary.  I think most everyone agrees with you that in these tough economic times and given the high cost of tuition at the smaller schools, the MIAA colleges have to look at all aspects that helps upgrade them to attract students and that includes facilities for both academics and athletics, and particularly the latter as we all know.

As you noted, it would be great to see Albion give a strong performance against UWW, however, I think they will get steamrolled as UWW is just too strong and it is a home game for the latter.  Yet, perhaps Albion will prove me wrong (if I were a betting man - which I'm not - I wouldn't wager a penny on it! :o ::) ;D ;)).

I hope you enjoy your weekend/week with friends and family and the games you are attending as well as a blessed upcoming Thanksgiving.     
Title: Coach Cole Retires From Alma
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on November 18, 2011, 01:52:12 PM
At 1:00pm today Coach Jim Cole retired as the longest tenured Head Coach in Michigan. Good Luck in your future endeavors Coach. A new Era has begun at Alma. Go Scots!!!  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 18, 2011, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: sac on November 17, 2011, 03:56:05 PM
The Albion stuff was mostly on the basketball board.  Albion college blocked the d3.com's family of sites from students.  I don't recall it exactly but I remember some of my Albion friends mentioning something about participation on these boards was not welcomed by the administration.

I don't wish to define 'administration' but it was not necessarily just people in the fancy offices with fancy titles.  It was also dumb, but that's beside the point.

I think the Thiel reference can give you an idea of who was behind the decision at Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 18, 2011, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: D306 on November 18, 2011, 08:22:25 AM


Is Kazoo new field ready for next year?, have to catch a game just to see the stadium.


The new fields are slated to be done for next fall, yes.  Of course, there's a long way to go.  Here are some updated pics of the project. http://tinyurl.com/89lp3ge
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 18, 2011, 04:13:32 PM
official as of 3:42 this afternoon

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2011/11/18/jimcole
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 18, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
On a less sober note, I didn't realize it at the time, but that was post #800!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 19, 2011, 07:35:00 AM
Stinger +1 for the fast reply with good link

Looks like the stadium is moving along well, and will be a large project, I commend Kazoo for building a top end stadium in these tough times.

sflzman Sad/Glad to see Alma coach retire, unique offense many years of service to Alma
Nice to see he is remaining in the school, so it does not look to be health related
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 19, 2011, 09:12:47 AM
Good luck today to the Brits fof Albion College! Tall task beating the defending National Champions on the their home field. But, the good news is it has happened before. Here is part of the news release from one of the more famous upsets:

David hurls a stone from his sling with all his might, and hits Goliath in the center of his forehead. The Philistine falls on his face to the ground.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
stinger:
Thanks for the link regarding the progress on Kalamazoo's athletic complex and stadium renovations.  A question:  is the plan to use the existing old concrete stands (repairing/upgrading those, of course) or are they planning on tearing those entirely out and replacing them in the same place with new ones.  It is not clear from some of the photos, however, I would think that if those are in good shape, even though they are from the 1930's I believe, it would obviously be less expensive not to replace them.  However, when you spending mult-millions of $ on a project like that, what's a few thousand more, right? ;D ::)  Besides, since everything is being renovated, doing it right is the ideal choice.  It also looks great to see the "easy access" flow between all the playing fields i.e from the football field to the soccer and baseball and softball fields.  New visitors permanent stands look very nice as well.  I assume they are going to keep the Louis Calder Fieldhouse behing there intact for storage use of field equipment?  Anyway, thanks again.

sflzman:
Thanks for informing us of the announcement regarding Coach Cole's retirement.  I read the press release.  Coach Cole is a fine man and was a very good coach - he always had the best interests at heart for his players, not just as players but also as students in preparing them for life beyond college football.  That was always evident - anyone who knows him and worked with him is more than well aware of that (I include myself in that group as well) - it has also always been evident in any of his written statements about the program over the many years. I am saddened that he has retired, although like D306 mentioned in his post, it is good to see that he will stay on in a teaching/educators position at the college.  As there were rumors that he was going to step down either last year or this year, although more likely this year because of his son being a senior on the team, still I am somewhat surprised he did not choose to go for the "quarter century" mark of 25 years.  Anyway, I will miss seeing him on the sidelines :'(, but also wish him all the best in this next chapter of his life.  His dedication and service to his alma mater i.e. Alma College has been/is tremendous and will continue.

A question: as would be expected, a "national" search for the next head coach is in effect and I suspect there will be hundreds of applications, yet do you see anyone on the current staff who might apply such as John Lewis?  Also, do you think any of the current assistants will stay on/be retained?  That is always a tough situation and, especially in this case because much of the staff are former players at Alma for Cole.  Keep us posted on what you can and are at liberty to share.  Again, I congratulate Coach Cole on a very fine career and his service/contributions to his players and many other people associated with Alma College and wish him all the best for "the next chapter".     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 19, 2011, 10:46:47 AM
Not sure right now, I think a lot of the athletic department is still in the impact of the first blast, so to speak, and I doubt the job has even been posted.

It wouldn't surprise me if Lewis applied, it might be nice to have a defensive minded man in charge too!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 19, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Whitewater 59 Albion 0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Whitewater 59 Albion 0

Oh my, they were smashed.  That might suggest a "step backwards" for our MIAA in the opinion of other DIII followers. :-X  I was hoping the would at least score a couple of times. Anyone know the details of the game?

slfzman:
Yes, I'm sure that there is some initial "shock" at this announcement, even if it was in the back of some people's minds that it might happen.  It will be interesting to see what plays out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:42:45 PM
People must have had some late fall chores to get done today and/or they assumed their teams (who were the favorites) would win as the attendance at the first round playoff games was only fair. ::) ;D :D ::) :P  The only team (that box scores are shown for on the front web page so far) that was over 2,000 in attendance was the the Monmouth/Illinois Wesleyan game.  All the others were in the mid 1,000, with most being around 1,300 - 1,500.  I hope some of the bigger, more competitive games now will have more attendance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2011, 09:44:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Whitewater 59 Albion 0

Oh my, they were smashed.  That might suggest a "step backwards" for our MIAA in the opinion of other DIII followers. :-X

Well, that WAS the single worst pasting in round one, but it was against UWW.  No way does the MIAA fall below ECFC, NEFC, NathCon, or UMAC (and, probably, the PAC).  Hopefully they can stay above more than four or five conferences! :D

[I'd say we are about on par with the Liberty League and MWC (whose champ beat my Titans in triple OT). >:(  And once you get past their champions, probably no worse than the NCAC or HCAC.  The recent image of the MIAA was carried by Trine; gonna have to do it as a league.]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 19, 2011, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Whitewater 59 Albion 0

Oh my, they were smashed.  That might suggest a "step backwards" for our MIAA in the opinion of other DIII followers. :-X  I was hoping the would at least score a couple of times. Anyone know the details of the game?

The game was essentially over after Albion's first 7 offensive plays - 3 short possessions ending with 2 INT's and a fumble all deep in Albion's side of the field led to 3 Levell Coppage TD runs. In fact after it was 21-0 after about 7 minutes in the first, UWW had only 39 total yards. Later, UWW blocked a punt and picked up a fumble for TD's as well. It got so bad, that UWW with a third and goal at the Albion 4, went into victory formation with 2:30 in the 4th quarter and took a knee on 3rd and 4th down to turn the ball over to Albion for the games final 2 plays.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 20, 2011, 12:51:32 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 19, 2011, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Whitewater 59 Albion 0

Oh my, they were smashed.  That might suggest a "step backwards" for our MIAA in the opinion of other DIII followers. :-X  I was hoping the would at least score a couple of times. Anyone know the details of the game?

The game was essentially over after Albion's first 7 offensive plays - 3 short possessions ending with 2 INT's and a fumble all deep in Albion's side of the field led to 3 Levell Coppage TD runs. In fact after it was 21-0 after about 7 minutes in the first, UWW had only 44 total yards. Later, UWW blocked a punt and picked up a fumble for TD's as well. It got so bad, that UWW with a third and goal at the Albion 4, went into victory formation with 2:30 in the 4th quarter and took a knee on 3rd and 4th down to turn the ball over to Albion for the games final 2 plays.

LSU did the same inside the 10 on all 4 plays vs Ole Miss today, but with 5 minutes on the clock.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 20, 2011, 07:31:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Whitewater 59 Albion 0

Oh my, they were smashed.  That might suggest a "step backwards" for our MIAA in the opinion of other DIII followers. :-X  I was hoping the would at least score a couple of times. Anyone know the details of the game?

slfzman:
Yes, I'm sure that there is some initial "shock" at this announcement, even if it was in the back of some people's minds that it might happen.  It will be interesting to see what plays out.

You can find a recap here ...

http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2011/contrib/201111198moqxk
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2011, 08:41:08 AM
Bobo and DBQ:
Thanks for the summary and link regarding the same.  It was a "pasting" for sure and it appears that Albion, unfortunately, just imploded in having one of those games where nothing goes right from the start.  That sometimes happens in the playoffs to some teams, who on paper should do better and despite by their record and play in recent games, just have a bad day.  I remember that happened to Hope back in 2006 the last time we made the playoffs.  After losing consecutive games at the beginning of the season, we won the remaining to get to the playoffs.  While we were certainly no powerhouse, the team had been improving (not only in play and execution but in enthusiasm, attitudes, etc.) to the point where some of us thought they just might have a chance at pulling a rare upset of Mount Union.  The thought was if we could shock Mount and get them off their usual mode, we might have a chance.  Everyone, including the coaching staff thought that the team was ready for that kind of day.  Well, it turned out the exact opposite and just like Albion's yesterday; with the minor exception that after stopping Mount on our goal line in a great goal line stance, we proceeded to move the ball down the field to our 49 yard line until an interception that then turned the game into a "nightmare".  Within 6 minutes of the first quarter, it was 21-0 Mount Union (as I recall) and it went further downhill from there.  Hope completely fell apart and could do nothing at all the rest of the game.  Of course, it didn't help that Mount Union had Garcon, who simply put on "his jets" when our defensive players were right on him and pulled away with "the speed of light" everytime he got the ball for either long pass gains and/or scores.

Those type of games are disheartening and when it starts "going downhill and then turns into a landslide/avelanche", there is nothing you can do to stop that it seams.  So it appears from the game summaries you both provided, that was the way it went. 

I agree with Mr. Ypsi about the MIAA and what it needs to do in the future as he posted above.  BTW, sorry Ypsi, that your IWU lost in OT - that makes it even more painful.  Although that was a nice win for Monmouth, which happens to be Hope Head Coach Kreps' alma mater and where he played. 

Anyway, on to the second round playoffs now. I also think we will now be seeing the more colder and gray weather as usual for November and December for these games.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 20, 2011, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:42:45 PM
People must have had some late fall chores to get done today and/or they assumed their teams (who were the favorites) would win as the attendance at the first round playoff games was only fair. ::) ;D :D ::) :P  The only team (that box scores are shown for on the front web page so far) that was over 2,000 in attendance was the the Monmouth/Illinois Wesleyan game.  All the others were in the mid 1,000, with most being around 1,300 - 1,500.  I hope some of the bigger, more competitive games now will have more attendance.

2850 at Franlin per the box score.  Less than the normal crowd but Thanksgiving break probably had something to do with that.  Good crowd was on hand and the game went down to the wire as promised.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2011, 01:59:43 PM
Thanks for the info, Grizz_Backer.  The info wasn't available intially for that game or a few others when I posted.  That is a nice crowd for the playoff, although as you say, perhaps it might have been even more were it not for the weekend prior to Thanksgiving break.  Anyway, good luck to Franklin this weekend in the second round. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2011, 07:30:24 PM
Okay now.  Just because we're (the MIAA) is "out of it" for this year, doesn't mean you guys have to go away, on vacation from here or "AWOL" ;D :D ;)  I know you'll all have some thoughts on the DIII playoffs and the other divisions.  So don't be strangers!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2011, 07:59:29 PM
formerd3db, well, even though my Titans are now just as much spectators as the MIAA teams, you know I'm not going away! ;)

That was a truly painful loss - it went just the way I feared it would.  Super QBs can make for weird outcomes (c.f., Chad Rupp over NCC, 2008 round two).  We definitely slowed Tanney down most of the game, but a fifth year All American QB is apt to come thru in crunch time.  Our QB played very well most of the year, but as a first-year starting sophomore, alas, picked the worst time possible to play like the young QB he is - FOUR picks and a fumble in the third OT! :P  I remain convinced that, overall, IWU is better than Monmouth, but while teams like UWW, UMU, or NCC may be able to overcome 5 TOs, we can't (and didn't).

0-1 Monmouth plays bball at 3-0 IWU on Tuesday.  I've got a feeling that the score may get UGLY - can you spell P A Y B A C K?! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2011, 09:13:44 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Well, you better not go away - you are one of our veteran and most astute posters here and we need you.  I didn't think you would leave us!  Anyway, thanks for your take on the IWU/Monmouth game.  Yes, indeed, sometimes it goes that way, just as I commented about the Albion/UWW game in comparing it to our Hope/Mount game about 5 years back (difficult to believe it was that long ago already).  As far as the basketball game goes, yes, there might be some satisfaction for the students at IWU in that regard if it is a blow-out win! ;D  Hope plays Western Michigan University in bb next week (Nov 30th) as I previously mentioned and I think I may go to the game.  As you mentioned, they were picked to be one of the top, if not the top MAC team, so I am not sure how Hope will fare this year, compared to when they had some of their greatest bb teams in recent past years.  We shall see.

Talk to you later and all best wishes for a blessed Thanksgiving with your family.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 20, 2011, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2011, 08:41:08 AM
Bobo and DBQ:
Thanks for the summary and link regarding the same.  It was a "pasting" for sure and it appears that Albion, unfortunately, just imploded in having one of those games where nothing goes right from the start.  That sometimes happens in the playoffs to some teams, who on paper should do better and despite by their record and play in recent games, just have a bad day.  I remember that happened to Hope back in 2006 the last time we made the playoffs.  After losing consecutive games at the beginning of the season, we won the remaining to get to the playoffs.  While we were certainly no powerhouse, the team had been improving (not only in play and execution but in enthusiasm, attitudes, etc.) to the point where some of us thought they just might have a chance at pulling a rare upset of Mount Union.  The thought was if we could shock Mount and get them off their usual mode, we might have a chance.  Everyone, including the coaching staff thought that the team was ready for that kind of day.  Well, it turned out the exact opposite and just like Albion's yesterday; with the minor exception that after stopping Mount on our goal line in a great goal line stance, we proceeded to move the ball down the field to our 49 yard line until an interception that then turned the game into a "nightmare".  Within 6 minutes of the first quarter, it was 21-0 Mount Union (as I recall) and it went further downhill from there.  Hope completely fell apart and could do nothing at all the rest of the game.  Of course, it didn't help that Mount Union had Garcon, who simply put on "his jets" when our defensive players were right on him and pulled away with "the speed of light" everytime he got the ball for either long pass gains and/or scores.

Those type of games are disheartening and when it starts "going downhill and then turns into a landslide/avelanche", there is nothing you can do to stop that it seams.  So it appears from the game summaries you both provided, that was the way it went. 

I agree with Mr. Ypsi about the MIAA and what it needs to do in the future as he posted above.  BTW, sorry Ypsi, that your IWU lost in OT - that makes it even more painful.  Although that was a nice win for Monmouth, which happens to be Hope Head Coach Kreps' alma mater and where he played. 

Anyway, on to the second round playoffs now. I also think we will now be seeing the more colder and gray weather as usual for November and December for these games.   


formerd3db,

I was at that game and was not posting  then. or knew you were a Hope alum and former player. Your post is spot on regarding both games. I have a hunch that top team will lose this Saturday and it will not be either Mount or UWW! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 20, 2011, 09:31:49 PM
Check this out.   

At 3:34 of this video you will see the best play I have ever seen run in person.  You cannot defend this without one hell of a great individual effort by someone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4dAkYN17jk&feature=player_embedded

During the broadcast Urban Meyer said he had never seen it.  You could see Brady Hoke mouth the words "how do you defend that", Greg Mattison's response was "you can't".

This was just one amazing play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2011, 10:29:28 PM
Raider68:
Thanks and we both know what that is like.  Also, I think you are right about next weekend! ;)  Have a blessed and enjoyable Thanksgiving this week and your trip (if you haven't taken it already).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2011, 10:38:09 PM
sac:

I watched most of the game, although missed some parts of it and much of the fourth quarter as we had to go to a wedding.  However, thanks for bringing attention to the video.  That is an awesome play - a double option -wow!  Also, great broadcasting team of Frank Beckman and Jim Brandstatter for both U of M and the Lions!  Same to you as the others - best wishes for a blessed and enjoyable Thanksgiving holiday and safe travels if you have to drive.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 21, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
stinger:
Thanks for the link regarding the progress on Kalamazoo's athletic complex and stadium renovations.  A question:  is the plan to use the existing old concrete stands (repairing/upgrading those, of course) or are they planning on tearing those entirely out and replacing them in the same place with new ones.  It is not clear from some of the photos, however, I would think that if those are in good shape, even though they are from the 1930's I believe, it would obviously be less expensive not to replace them.  However, when you spending mult-millions of $ on a project like that, what's a few thousand more, right? ;D ::)  Besides, since everything is being renovated, doing it right is the ideal choice.  It also looks great to see the "easy access" flow between all the playing fields i.e from the football field to the soccer and baseball and softball fields.  New visitors permanent stands look very nice as well.  I assume they are going to keep the Louis Calder Fieldhouse behing there intact for storage use of field equipment?  Anyway, thanks again.


I can't answer the question about the stands.  I would hope they would be replacing them.  As for Calder, it's my understanding that it will be razed.  There's no reason to keep it and it is in deplorable shape.  Weeds (trees?) growing through the floor deplorable. If you look at this rendering: http://kzoo.edu/sports/news/fieldsproject/images/site-plan.jpg (http://kzoo.edu/sports/news/fieldsproject/images/site-plan.jpg), you can see (bottom right) there will  be a grass practice field for both football and soccer use.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2011, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: Stinger on November 21, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
stinger:
Thanks for the link regarding the progress on Kalamazoo's athletic complex and stadium renovations.  A question:  is the plan to use the existing old concrete stands (repairing/upgrading those, of course) or are they planning on tearing those entirely out and replacing them in the same place with new ones.  It is not clear from some of the photos, however, I would think that if those are in good shape, even though they are from the 1930's I believe, it would obviously be less expensive not to replace them.  However, when you spending mult-millions of $ on a project like that, what's a few thousand more, right? ;D ::)  Besides, since everything is being renovated, doing it right is the ideal choice.  It also looks great to see the "easy access" flow between all the playing fields i.e from the football field to the soccer and baseball and softball fields.  New visitors permanent stands look very nice as well.  I assume they are going to keep the Louis Calder Fieldhouse behing there intact for storage use of field equipment?  Anyway, thanks again.


I can't answer the question about the stands.  I would hope they would be replacing them.  As for Calder, it's my understanding that it will be razed.  There's no reason to keep it and it is in deplorable shape.  Weeds (trees?) growing through the floor deplorable. If you look at this rendering: http://kzoo.edu/sports/news/fieldsproject/images/site-plan.jpg (http://kzoo.edu/sports/news/fieldsproject/images/site-plan.jpg), you can see (bottom right) there will  be a grass practice field for both football and soccer use.

I always thought the spiral staircase to the press box was cool.  Wonder if they scrapped it or sold it off.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on November 21, 2011, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: Stinger on November 18, 2011, 02:50:24 PM

I think the Thiel reference can give you an idea of who was behind the decision at Albion.



Nice pick up Stinger.....I thought if you were still hanging around you would be the one to catch it.  Hope you are doing well.

Rough day for Albion on Saturday.  Just no way to recover from turnovers on each of the first 3 possessions.  I know the team was excited and prepared going into the game.....but the way it started surely takes away a lot in terms of fight.  I am reminded of a scene, maybe one of the only decent scenes of a terrible movie.  Decent only because of the explanation.  The terrible movie is "The Replacements" but the talk about fear of "quick sand" seems to be a pretty good bet on how the Brits were feeling as the game went on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on November 21, 2011, 12:44:50 PM
Great idea for a topic since MIAA is out and we all know it comes down to Whitewater and Mt. Union again. By the way I am picking Whitewater by 14 in the Championship, with Coppage as the MVP.

But, how about greatest football movie of time? Mine is Rememberthe Titans. True story (for the most part), life lessons, history, football, tolerance, and uch more.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on November 21, 2011, 01:35:40 PM
Tough call on greatest football movie.  Remember the Titans is a great movie....a nice feel good football movie and the true story part helps big time.  But for a greatest of all time I have to factor in being able to watch the movie multiple times and still enjoy the majority.  After a few times of seeing Remember the Titans it just isn't the same. 

So I put my pick down on The Program Hell it covers everything from a coach hated by fans, start QB that is an alcoholic with a dad that doesn't love him, steroid use, injuries, freshman taking spot and girlfriend of star upperclassman, and one of the most over the top football characters (due to steroids) in Latimer.  Which that particular actor played a number of times including an offensive lineman in Any Given Sunday. 

Side note.....best cameo by a group of former NFL players is the Prison/Convict team in the movie Necessary Roughness.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2011, 01:39:22 PM
The Replacements.. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 21, 2011, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on November 21, 2011, 12:44:50 PM
Great idea for a topic since MIAA is out and we all know it comes down to Whitewater and Mt. Union again. By the way I am picking Whitewater by 14 in the Championship, with Coppage as the MVP.

But, how about greatest football movie of time? Mine is Rememberthe Titans. True story (for the most part), life lessons, history, football, tolerance, and uch more.

North Dallas Forty.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2011, 05:18:36 PM
sac, stinger, addidas, Cousin Eddie, Uncle Rico - great to hear from you guys.  As far as the Kazoo stadium seating, the spiral staircase and Caulder Fieldhouse, in re-reviewing the construction photos, it does appear that they are probably going to replace the main home permanent seating as it seems that the low concrete walls on either end in front have been moved or started to be dismantled (I could be wrong).  Razing Caulder makes sense because they will have plenty of room in the new locker room and other areas as well as the fact that it be more aesthetic over by the new permanent visitors stands, which BTW, has very nice wrought iron fencing around it as you can see in the photos and which will compliment the same type of fencing that will be around the field and new entry to the Angell Field and Athletic Complex.  Uncle Rico, regarding the spiral staircase, they, unfortunately, demolished that (you can see it in the video that was posted here by one of the others when construction started this summer - it was either stinger or sac that posted it).  I wish they would have saved it and used it in a monument or statue by the new press box or new entrance to Angell -that would have been neat - I think someone at Kazoo "fumbled the ball" there in regards to that.

As to the most popular and greatest football movie(s), the ones you mention are indeed great and all recently appeared on the one of the lists of the greatest football movies ever made.  Aside from the important moral and ethical issues that are supported and promoted by Remember the Titans and some of the other movies you mention, my personal favorite is Rudy. I've always been for the underdog and walk-ons and Rudy R and his "counterpart" at U of Michigan Donnie Warner are my all-time favorites (yes I know that the movie Rudy took some "liberties" with the script in regards to the real story, however, the main aspect in the end was essentially true) because of the individual perseverence message and "dream come true" stories.  Warner was more successful as far as his playing career than Rudy R (I've discussed that here on this board a couple of times in the past), and all-though he doesn't have a movie made about him, the "real" Warner is my most favorite, with Rudy R being a close second.  So while those other movies are great (hey, even Marshall is a good movie), Rudy is my favorite football movie.   

Now that you guys have brought this up, I'm "pumped" to watch some of those football movies over this Thanksgiving days weekend in the evenings in addition to the college football games that will be on TV! ;)  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
Since it is quiet around here, I'll throw this in.  What do you all think about Arizona hiring Rich Rodriguez?  Wow, he is getting farther away from his "roots" in WVa (although he did coach at LSU as I recall before going to Clemson and then back to WVa).  I hope he is more humble/less arrogant down there than he was @ his alma mater WVa and Michigan.  I suspect he might be, although we'll see what happens. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2011, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 22, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
Since it is quiet around here, I'll throw this in.  What do you all think about Arizona hiring Rich Rodriguez?  Wow, he is getting farther away from his "roots" in WVa (although he did coach at LSU as I recall before going to Clemson and then back to WVa).  I hope he is more humble/less arrogant down there than he was @ his alma mater WVa and Michigan.  I suspect he might be, although we'll see what happens.

Hopefully for his sake he does not neglect the defensive side of the ball in order to implement his offense....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 22, 2011, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2011, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 22, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
Since it is quiet around here, I'll throw this in.  What do you all think about Arizona hiring Rich Rodriguez?  Wow, he is getting farther away from his "roots" in WVa (although he did coach at LSU as I recall before going to Clemson and then back to WVa).  I hope he is more humble/less arrogant down there than he was @ his alma mater WVa and Michigan.  I suspect he might be, although we'll see what happens.

Hopefully for his sake he does not neglect the defensive side of the ball in order to implement his offense....

It will be interesting since UA has almost zero relevant football history for a major conference program, one shared Pac 12 title, no Rose Bowls.  He will most certainly not have the weight of a snooty alumni and decades of history hanging over him.  He can go in tomorrow and burn everything down and no one will care.   Although it probably should be pointed out to him that UA paints 'Bear Down' on its field in reference to a time when Arizona actually played good defense with regularity.

If there is a league where he can get away with neglecting defense its the Pac 12 (.. and more so the Big 12). 


I would suggest he have something more available at QB than a redshirt Fr. transfer who's not built for his offense, or a walk-on who's not built to play D1 football.  But that's just me.  ;)


His first game in charge of Arizona will be Sept 1, 2012 against Toledo.  Perhaps his most embarrassing loss while at Michigan.

I sincerely hope he does well there, his offense is something to watch when its going well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 22, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
Arizona is #112 in total defense right now.  You can't crater what has already been cratered.  He could go in there with the same ideas he had at UM and Arizona fans would probably be happy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 22, 2011, 06:42:17 PM
I think in a matter of time he will have Arizona in good shape.  8-) Best of luck to him, and it's good to see him back in the game.
Title: Alma's New Coach
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on November 22, 2011, 07:55:59 PM
Anyone got any idea who may be the new Alma Coach? I wonder if it will really be a national search or if one of the assistants is going to get it. Just looking for opinions  :o
Title: Re: Alma's New Coach
Post by: sflzman on November 22, 2011, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on November 22, 2011, 07:55:59 PM
Anyone got any idea who may be the new Alma Coach? I wonder if it will really be a national search or if one of the assistants is going to get it. Just looking for opinions  :o

No assistant coaches are even applying for the job. A handful have applications in to other schools already for assistant jobs, and whatnot...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2011, 11:21:27 PM
Thanks for your opinions on the Rich Rod/AZ subject, guys.

sflzman and ACMIAAD3:
That is surprising.  I would have thought for sure that Lewis would apply.  He has been a coordinator at both Alma and Defiance and an assistant coach at Alma for two different stints and obviously familiar with the program and school.  He would be ready for a shot at a head coaching position.  So, again, I'm surprised.  However, on the other hand, perhaps they've been told a total "house cleaning" is what is desired and perhaps that just might be the best for Alma at this point.  It will be somewhat disappointing for some of those younger coaches who have been on the staff the past couple of years or so, especially those who are Alma alumni.  But, that is the nature of the "business" even at the DIII level.  Keep us posted you guys, although, of course, we'll be be watching the website for announcements. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2011, 11:35:12 PM
I, too, wish RichRod well.  I was enthusiastic when he first arrived, though I soured on him pretty quickly.  I was never a rabid hater, but surely no one would contest that Brady Hoke and Greg Mattison are a HUGE step up.  (I was an avid supporter of Hoke even when Harbaugh still seemed available - though with what he has done with the Niners I may have to reconsider that one! ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 23, 2011, 08:08:35 AM
To all the MIAA posters, Have a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 23, 2011, 02:39:13 PM
miaa.org has an announcement about the MIAA and NathCon starting a challenge series next year.

Matchups next fall.

• Albion at Benedictine, Ill.
• Hope at Concordia-Chicago
• Adrian at Wisconsin Lutheran
• Trine at Concordia-Wisconsin
• Kalamazoo at Lakeland, Wis.
• Alma at Aurora, Ill.
• Olivet at Rockford, Ill.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
who is Maranatha playing?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
who is Maranatha playing?

Unless Calvin takes up football (which is a persistant rumor), the MIAA only has 7 football schools.

UWW is always looking for a d3 opponent - have Maranatha give them a call! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 05:24:07 PM
Thats right, my mistake...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 23, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
who is Maranatha playing?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
who is Maranatha playing?

Unless Calvin takes up football (which is a persistant rumor), the MIAA only has 7 football schools.

UWW is always looking for a d3 opponent - have Maranatha give them a call! ;)

This poster went through archives as far back as 2000 and found that Maranatha never played any MIAA squads in football. The last few seasons, the Crusaders' non-conference foes have come from the UMAC or the MIAC. It would appear to me (speculating again,) Maranatha's in more of a "take it or leave it" position, given that schools' success in the NCCAA in volleyball and womens' basketball. A Crusader long-time follower (libero) can correct me if I'm wrong here.

(Ypsi, one year the Warhawks did play Maranatha in men's hoops, and the Crusaders lost big).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 23, 2011, 07:21:54 PM
and Adrian gets WLC (again) in '12  (adding even more to that unpredictable rivalry).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on November 23, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
who is Maranatha playing?

Unless Calvin takes up football (which is a persistant rumor), the MIAA only has 7 football schools.

UWW is always looking for a d3 opponent - have Maranatha give them a call! ;)

Maranatha opted out of the challenege.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 23, 2011, 10:20:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 22, 2011, 11:21:27 PM
Thanks for your opinions on the Rich Rod/AZ subject, guys.

sflzman and ACMIAAD3:
That is surprising.  I would have thought for sure that Lewis would apply.  He has been a coordinator at both Alma and Defiance and an assistant coach at Alma for two different stints and obviously familiar with the program and school.  He would be ready for a shot at a head coaching position.  So, again, I'm surprised.  However, on the other hand, perhaps they've been told a total "house cleaning" is what is desired and perhaps that just might be the best for Alma at this point.  It will be somewhat disappointing for some of those younger coaches who have been on the staff the past couple of years or so, especially those who are Alma alumni.  But, that is the nature of the "business" even at the DIII level.  Keep us posted you guys, although, of course, we'll be be watching the website for announcements.

I think just the mentality that's kind of been set is that there's no use applying for the job since they want to wipe clean the program and re-tool from scratch. Even if Lewis were to apply there's no way he'd get it

- IMO
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on November 23, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
who is Maranatha playing?

Unless Calvin takes up football (which is a persistant rumor), the MIAA only has 7 football schools.

UWW is always looking for a d3 opponent - have Maranatha give them a call! ;)

Maranatha opted out of the challenege.

OK, I forgot who won the Maranatha/Rockford game, and just figured Maranatha was out because they were 8th.

And I was only kidding about calling UWW - talk about suicide! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2011, 02:22:01 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 23, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
who is Maranatha playing?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on November 23, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
who is Maranatha playing?

Unless Calvin takes up football (which is a persistant rumor), the MIAA only has 7 football schools.

UWW is always looking for a d3 opponent - have Maranatha give them a call! ;)

This poster went through archives as far back as 2000 and found that Maranatha never played any MIAA squads in football. The last few seasons, the Crusaders' non-conference foes have come from the UMAC or the MIAC. It would appear to me (speculating again,) Maranatha's in more of a "take it or leave it" position, given that schools' success in the NCCAA in volleyball and womens' basketball. A Crusader long-time follower (libero) can correct me if I'm wrong here.

(Ypsi, one year the Warhawks did play Maranatha in men's hoops, and the Crusaders lost big).

Actually, if you go way back , Maranatha did play Hope College in football in 1978 and 1979, losing 28-0 and 64-0 respectively. ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2011, 02:27:30 AM
sflzman:

Well, I can understand what you are saying.  Yet, at the same time, in one sense, it is sad for those guys.  While obviously assistant coaching jobs don't pay that much and it might be hard for the non-full time employed assistant coaches at the college to latch on to another college program as an assistant, I would think it would be even more difficult for someone like Lewis who is a full-time employed coach at the college to have to look for another college job during the present tough economic times.  Even moving around at the DIII level is tough and no fun.  Perhaps, though, there is a possibility he might be retained as an assistant by whoever the new head man is, although as we all know and has been mentioned here by others, the new head man usually wants to bring in his own guys (yet sometimes an current assistant or two is retained).  Again, we'll all just have to wait and see what happens at Alma.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on November 24, 2011, 03:09:31 AM
Well I think there are some very good assistant coaches on Alma's staff that have a real possibility of staying on when the new Head Coach is hired. I gotta believe that at least two or three will be retained if for no other purpose to help the new coach evaulate what he has coming back. Not only that, some of the coaches are very good recruiters. But that is just my opinion and would still not be surprised if Alma does not take a look at a few of their assistants as a possible head coach replacement. I have heard of at least a couple who expressed interest in the position. But that is just rumors.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
Ndamukong Suh, alas, finally really earned his reputation as a 'dirty' player today.  Until today, I thought the rep was mostly sour grapes for a gifted physical 'freak'.  While his 'stomp' on the offensive lineman was somewhat half-hearted, and certainly not 'intent to injure' (it was more contempt than malicious), his claim after the game that it was not intentional is absolutely risible.  Giving Green Bay a first down after the Lions held on 3rd down (and costing the Lions their best defensive lineman for the rest of the day) was beyond stupid. >:(  I have little doubt that the Lions will also be missing Suh for the Saints game, though I doubt the suspension (assuming there is one) will be more than one game.

Grow up, Suh!  Your out-of-control, selfish, infantilism risks making the best defensive line in the NFL a liability when it should be the Lions' biggest plus.  The trick is going to be for Suh to rein in his rage, while still retaining the mindset that has already made him one of the best defensive linemen ever.  As a Lions fan (and, most of the time, a Suh fan), I hope he can do it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BoBo on November 24, 2011, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
Ndamukong Suh, alas, finally really earned his reputation as a 'dirty' player today.  Until today, I thought the rep was mostly sour grapes for a gifted physical 'freak'.  While his 'stomp' on the offensive lineman was somewhat half-hearted, and certainly not 'intent to injure' (it was more contempt than malicious), his claim after the game that it was not intentional is absolutely risible.  Giving Green Bay a first down after the Lions held on 3rd down (and costing the Lions their best defensive lineman for the rest of the day) was beyond stupid. >:(  I have little doubt that the Lions will also be missing Suh for the Saints game, though I doubt the suspension (assuming there is one) will be more than one game.
Grow up, Suh!  Your out-of-control, selfish, infantilism risks making the best defensive line in the NFL a liability when it should be the Lions' biggest plus.  The trick is going to be for Suh to rein in his rage, while still retaining the mindset that has already made him one of the best defensive linemen ever.  As a Lions fan (and, most of the time, a Suh fan), I hope he can do it.

Spoken like a true Lions fan.  ;) Read the national writers - they're talking 3-5 games.  His "explanation" was such B.S. Considering it occurred on national TV in one of the NFL's marquee games and only a couple weeks removed from his summit with the Commish, I'm sure they will take a hard look at a multiple game suspension with hefty fine (IMO).

As a Packer fan, I'm glad our guys kept their cool.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 24, 2011, 10:49:15 PM
I hesitate to respond but it's beyond comprehension to me how the Lions PR person didn't make him memorize: "I'm sorry for what happened. In the heat of the moment I allowed my frustration to get the best of me and what I did was totally unacceptable. I apologize to my team, the fans, and their team. It will never happen again."

That's all he should have said. He looked/sounded incompetent at the podium. Totally delusional and completely mis-stated the facts. Apparently he assumes we're all idiots. "oh yeah, he was just trying to get his balance, that makes sense..."

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
Ndamukong Suh, alas, finally really earned his reputation as a 'dirty' player today.  Until today, I thought the rep was mostly sour grapes for a gifted physical 'freak'. While his 'stomp' on the offensive lineman was somewhat half-hearted, and certainly not 'intent to injure' (it was more contempt than malicious), his claim after the game that it was not intentional is absolutely risible.  Giving Green Bay a first down after the Lions held on 3rd down (and costing the Lions their best defensive lineman for the rest of the day) was beyond stupid. >:(  I have little doubt that the Lions will also be missing Suh for the Saints game, though I doubt the suspension (assuming there is one) will be more than one game.

Grow up, Suh!  Your out-of-control, selfish, infantilism risks making the best defensive line in the NFL a liability when it should be the Lions' biggest plus.  The trick is going to be for Suh to rein in his rage, while still retaining the mindset that has already made him one of the best defensive linemen ever.  As a Lions fan (and, most of the time, a Suh fan), I hope he can do it.

As for that "non-attempt to injure" well - I suppose that if I took a cleat your arm, (and I'm not near the size of Suh) you may think differently.... ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 24, 2011, 10:55:38 PM
Well said Mr. Ypsi, Bobo and ThunderHead.  Indeed, those who were defending him earlier this season and giving him - actually stretching that if we are all truthful about it - the benefit of the doubt, should now be well aware that he has left no doubt as Mr. Ypsi has said. Suh deserves whatever he gets in regards to a suspension and I hope they come down on him hard, even though I am a Lions fan also.  There is no excuse whatsoever for his actions today and his pitiful excuse is ludicrous.  Good grief; he needs to grow up, admit he is wrong and quit attempting to hide behind that facade of being like a 5 year old kid who doesn't know any better.  Not intentional? Pishaw!  Anyway, besides Suh's antics, it was a pitiful performance by the Lions today, unfortunately for us Detroit fans.  Green Bay is simply the best team in the league right now I would say.

Texas AM and Texas having a "brawl" game right now in that heated rivalry, which apprently will end tonight- at least for a year or so at the minimum (unless some of those arrogant administrators at both schools admit their antics and come to an agreement to continue the historic rivalry).  That will be sad if it is allowed to be discontinued. 

I'm gearing up for the Michigan/Ohio State game this weekend.  Should be a good one, unless either team implodes early.

I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving Day today.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 24, 2011, 11:11:27 PM
I'm done defending Suh, but he didn't STOMP on the arm (intending to injure), he gave more of a contemptuous 'stamp' on the arm.  Physical freak that he is, if he 'meant to injure', the player's arm would have been carried off the field separately from the player. :P

BoBo, I fear you may be right about the length of suspension.  The out-of-control, infantile action just might have sabotaged the Lions' season.  UM's Charles Woodson had some interesting comments on the situation.  While I remain mostly a Suh fan, yet another reason for a Michigan man to 'hate' the Cornhuskers! 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 25, 2011, 05:56:48 AM
formerd3db,

While I will root for the Buckeyes, I believe your Wolverines will win it this Saturday. But the Buckeyes will get some real help next week (Tuesday)! :)

That said I will be watching the Raiders live and in person.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 25, 2011, 11:01:08 AM
Suh's comments post game were just stupid.   Makes me wonder if he had seen a replay at that point.  If he had.......well, I guess the 'N' really does stand for knowledge.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2011, 06:05:27 PM
Raider68:
I assumed, of course, that you will be rooting for Ohio State, just as I will be rooting for Michigan.  It is interesting to hear the different opinions as to predictions of the game's outcome.  Some say (such as one of my son-in-laws ;D) they expect/suspect Michigan will win like 35-14. However, knowing the history of this game, which is pretty much always a tough game as we all know, I personally believe it will be close, even though Ohio State has not done as well the past 3-4 weeks or overall this year.  As many people have said in the past, of which I also agree with, if Robinson has one of his erratic games, throws INTs, etc. I think Michigan will lose.  I also mentioned on my other post, that I think one of the teams will implode at some point and that will be all the other one needs to gain control for the rest of the game.  I just hope it isn't Michigan. ;D ::) :o ;) :) ;D 

sac:
Agree with you as well.  Also, are you going to the U of Michigan/Ohio State game tomorrow or watching it on TV?  Thereafter, are you going to the Hope/Cornerstone basketball game at the Cornerstone tournament?  I think I am going to that game with my son-in-law, who went to Cornerstone, but is also a HUGE U of Michigan fan!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2011, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: sac on November 25, 2011, 11:01:08 AM
Suh's comments post game were just stupid.   Makes me wonder if he had seen a replay at that point.  If he had.......well, I guess the 'N' really does stand for knowledge.

I've gotta think he had not seen the film - NO ONE is THAT stupid! :P

I'm hoping that UM does not JUST break the streak against that team down south, but wins in a total blowout - and I think it is entirely possible (though not really probable).  (If UM scores a TD to go up 48-14 late in the game, I wouldn't object to a Woody - but I think Brady is too classy for that! ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2011, 08:02:59 PM
I hear 'ya Mr. Ypsi and am with you on that! ;D  Since I don't have tickets to the game, I will be watching it on TV.  I will also plan to "man-up" and have one of those "refreshments" and dream that I am sitting at a picnic table, enjoying the time and relaxing before the game!  A deja vu if you will from earlier this year somewhere "up north"  ;D  ;D :) know!!!  My late father, a U of Michigan alum, used to have season tickets for years (he knew the ticket manager too, when I was a young kid) but gave those up when my brother and I were playing in college so that he and mom could go see our games.  However, he always came up with tickets to the big game U of M vs. Ohio State even at the last minute and that was always great.  Anyway, I will be wearing my U of Michigan sweatshirt tomorrow along with my Hope College hat!  Have a great weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 25, 2011, 08:15:31 PM
I will be at the Michigan game.  Probably won't make it over to Cornerstone, that's a pretty long day for me now.  My plan is to make it home and then hit the dvr and watch the Iron Bowl.

For as long as this series will be played after Thanksgiving, Saturday might be the best weather we will ever see at Michigan Stadium for this game. 



fwiw, I usually put on my orange Bay Harbour Golf Club hat as a homage to my alma mater.  (except when UM plays Illinois).  I used to wear a Hope basketball hat but that has seen better days and has been retired from public view.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2011, 08:56:56 PM
Sounds like a nice day for you.  Also, you are right as it will be wonderful weather for this game, so unlike the cold and sometimes snowy late November days the U of Mich/Ohio State game has seen.

Also sounds like we need to get you a new Hope hat! 

Have a fun day tomorrow.  I'll keep up our support at the Hope bb game, even though my s-i-l will be rooting for his alma mater Cornerstone!  At least you, he and I will be rooting for Michigan. ;)  Safe travels to you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 26, 2011, 10:08:16 PM
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Maybe I'll have mine with a little Sugar.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 27, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 25, 2011, 08:56:56 PM
Sounds like a nice day for you.  Also, you are right as it will be wonderful weather for this game, so unlike the cold and sometimes snowy late November days the U of Mich/Ohio State game has seen.

Also sounds like we need to get you a new Hope hat! 

Have a fun day tomorrow.  I'll keep up our support at the Hope bb game, even though my s-i-l will be rooting for his alma mater Cornerstone!  At least you, he and I will be rooting for Michigan. ;)  Safe travels to you.

formerd3db,

Did not watch or hear the Michigan/Ohio St. game ( very unusual for me), but the result and score were about what I expected. It was a great game to be there like sac was. OSU will have a new coach on Tuesday, so I am told, and the Buckeyes will be back! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2011, 09:03:25 PM
Indeed, it was a great game, although obviously I am very glad Michigan won.  I guess we deserve one of those after the 7 year drought.  Anyway, for Michigan to get 10 wins this year was beyond most people's expectations and I'm glad for Hoke as he seems to be a really nice guy and good coach. 

If Meyer gets the Ohio State job, it will be one of the worst kept secrets (as those things usually are).  It is not surprising that Meyer is not commenting - he can't for obvious reasons other than saying that he hasn't been offered the job.  Notice he did not deny not having talks with anyone there. ;D ;)  While he is a good coach, he is not my favorite guy.  I also question his reasoning for return (other than that obvious often used phrase that "coaching is in his blood" because his reasons for leaving Florida the second time was again, his health as well as desire to spend more time with his family.  His Ohio background certainly make him a viable candidate for Ohio State (aside from his coaching success).  He certainly doesn't need the $, but again, I'm just curious as to what made his health so much better in this last year or so - cardiac conditions like he was reported to have don't go away.  Anyway, if he is hired, I would agree that Ohio State will be on the rise again, although I do hope he lays down the rules and "hammer" for some of those players there who seem to have a difficult time in following the rules. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 28, 2011, 01:26:41 PM
Found this today.........

Being outside, in Michigan, in late November, is usually a defiant variety of stupidity—a last taste of being outdoors before December closes in and the world becomes a thing briefly tolerated between heated areas. In the Midwest, football is to winter what spit from a condemned man is to a firing squad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 28, 2011, 01:32:33 PM
The Urban Meyer Myth, its all played out the same way before.  He'll fit right in down there.

December 4, 2000

Meyer takes HC job at Bowling Green

December 6, 2002

Meyer tells The Bowling Green Sentinel: "We are nowhere near what we can do here. That's what's driving me right now. Everybody's worried about those other places; nothing's going on."

"I was contacted by one, but I'm not interested. I love it here. We have a lot of work to do. That's the bottom line."

"With recruits, that's been for two years, even before we won. [They say,] 'that guy's not going to be there very long; that's silly ... The future is fantastic here ... I'm proud to be the football coach here. Once they get to know me, know my family, know how important it is to have continuity, my kids going to school somewhere."

"I think you all but guarantee that you are one of the top two, three teams in the league every year if you get that [new athletic facility] here. I feel so strong about the academics, about the community, the environment, about the people. It's the last piece; it's a significant piece."

December 11, 2002

Meyer leaves Bowling Green and takes HC job at Utah.

November 14, 2004

Meyer tells The New York Times "I'm chicken. It would be excruciating to leave. When I left Bowling Green, it was the worst three months.'"

November 15, 2004

Meyer tells The Deseret News: "I plan on coaching here for a long time."

November 17, 2004

Meyer tells The Deseret News "I plan on coaching at Utah next year. There's been no contact made. Period. It's almost comical. We're playing the biggest game in the history of the school and we're talking about that. That's nothing to do with nothing.

November 18, 2004

Shelley Meyer gives her employer 2-weeks notice

November 18, 2004

Meyer tells The Deseret News, "There's been no contact and I really don't anticipate any. I'm certainly not looking for a job. I love where I'm coaching."

November 18, 2004

Meyer tells a young boy on the Urban Meyer Coach's Show, "I plan on being the coach at the University of Utah next year."

November 30, 2004

Meyer tells The Deseret News (When asked about Florida) "All I keep saying is I plan on being the coach here at Utah."

December 3, 2004

Meyer leaves Utah and takes HC job at Florida

December 8, 2004

Meyer tells GatorSports.com "This is a place you can put your feet down for a long time. It's over [moving every 2 years]. I'm not doing this again."

October 1, 2009

Signs contract extension with Florida through 2014

December 26, 2009

Announces he will resign following the Gators' Sugar Bowl appearance on New Year's Day, citing health concerns and the desire to spend more time with his family.

December 27, 2009

Announces that it will only be a leave of absence

March 17, 2010

Ends his leave of absence and is back as HC of Florida

December 8, 2010

Announces for the 2nd year in a row that he will retire at the end of the season, for the same reasons he had cited a year before: health and family concerns.

January 31, 2011

Less than a month after coaching his final game at Florida, Urban Meyer takes a new job as analyst at ESPN.

November 22, 2011

Despite numerous reports of a 7 year $40 million deal, Meyer tells ESPN "I have not been offered any job."

November 27, 2011

Meyer leaves ESPN and takes HC job at Ohio State.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2011, 01:57:59 PM
+k sac.  Excellent detective work and documentation.  And that's exactly why I mentioned he is not my favorite coach.  He's another Saben and Kelly. :P  I have some stronger opinions on him in that regard (philosophically), however, I won't comment further.  Enough said. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2011, 02:48:15 PM
Well, it's that time of year as coaching changes have started to occur.  Aside from our own two MIAA schools retiring head coaches (Olivet and Alma), firings have occurred the past 2 days:  Kansas (Gill), Arizona State (Erickson), Illinois (Zook), Akron (Ianello), and now UCLA (Neuhuisal).  The latter situation (UCLA) is not surprising and, in a sense, is one reason why it is always risky to go back to your alma mater, as enticing and wonderful as that may idealistically seem to be.  Always interesting, but as we all know, at DI it is "the business". ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 28, 2011, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 28, 2011, 01:57:59 PM
+k sac.  Excellent detective work and documentation.  And that's exactly why I mentioned he is not my favorite coach.  He's another Saben and Kelly. :P  I have some stronger opinions on him in that regard (philosophically), however, I won't comment further.  Enough said. ;)

I can't take credit for the Myer stuff, I saw it this morning somewhere else.


ie, UCLA-- I know Neuheisel was probably out anyway but firing him 4 days before the conference championship game seems a bit ridiculous.  Even if they did win the division through very little fault of their own.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2011, 04:42:10 PM
I just read something appalling on Stewart Mandel's column.  Akron's coach found out he was fired while driving to New York for his mother's funeral!  One certainly hopes the Akron AD (or whomever) was unaware of the circumstances.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2011, 05:38:26 PM
No problem sac; regardless, you did bring it to our attention to share, so thanks.

I have to agree with both of you, sac and Mr. Ypsi.  Firing Neuheisal before the championship game is a "no class" act.  Also, even if the administration did not know Ianello was on his way to his father's funeral, still, that is also a classless act since they should have informed him in person, regardless of when it was and certainly when he returned since they obviously knew he was out of town for "whatever" reason even if they didn't know it was to attend his father's funeral.  And like you said, if they did know the latter, shame on them.

I do not have a problem with administrators (whether college presidents and/or the ADs) deciding to make a coaching change and letting someone go.  However, they cannot deny that there is a right and a wrong way to do that and, unfortunately, even at the DIII level, some administrators handle that very poorly; well, let's be honest and just say that they have no class in how they have done it and simply, there is no excuse for that, period.  I know of at least 3 occasions in the MIAA where that has happened over the past 2 decades, including in recent years.  Those people who handled the decisions in the way they did should be ashamed of themselves, however, unfortunately, I can't say that they would ever admit or acknowledge such and that is sad. :P :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on November 28, 2011, 06:39:06 PM
Fickell: "Hey, I see Urban Meyer is moving stuff around in my office?"

AD: "Oh hey, Larry, sorry about that. I was going to shoot you an email..."

Fickell: "Luke."

AD: "What?"

Fickell: "It's Luke. My name's Luke."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2011, 07:02:26 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 28, 2011, 06:39:06 PM
Fickell: "Hey, I see Urban Meyer is moving stuff around in my office?"

AD: "Oh hey, Larry, sorry about that. I was going to shoot you an email..."

Fickell: "Luke."

AD: "What?"

Fickell: "It's Luke. My name's Luke."

Priceless!  +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on November 28, 2011, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 28, 2011, 06:39:06 PM
Fickell: "Hey, I see Urban Meyer is moving stuff around in my office?"

AD: "Oh hey, Larry, sorry about that. I was going to shoot you an email..."

Fickell: "Luke."

AD: "What?"

Fickell: "It's Luke. My name's Luke."
Classic! LOL
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2011, 07:36:45 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on November 28, 2011, 06:39:06 PM
Fickell: "Hey, I see Urban Meyer is moving stuff around in my office?"

AD: "Oh hey, Larry, sorry about that. I was going to shoot you an email..."

Fickell: "Luke."

AD: "What?"

Fickell: "It's Luke. My name's Luke."

Yes, +k ThunderHead!  That is great!  I think the AD (Gene Smith at Ohio State needs to be let go.  He has "flubbed" -oh, we need to be grammarically correct in the collegiate way ::) :P ;D ;)) and say he "mis-handled" many things there over this past year among all this mess.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 28, 2011, 07:38:04 PM
BTW, guys.  Don't forget to vote for the Gagliardi Trophy in the fan vote section here on d3.com's front page.  "Do your DIII duty"! :D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 02, 2011, 03:39:46 PM
What do the MIAA posters think of the playoffs thus far and any predictions going forward? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1515 on December 02, 2011, 09:53:29 PM
Hey MIAA, I am a Benedictine follower and I know this is very pre-mature, but I was just wondering what kind of a following Albion has on these boards and if anyone can give me some insight as to what albion has coming back offensively and defensively next season??? I am really looking forward to this match-up and love talking football so if anyone can give me some input that would be great... Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2011, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on December 02, 2011, 09:53:29 PM
Hey MIAA, I am a Benedictine follower and I know this is very pre-mature, but I was just wondering what kind of a following Albion has on these boards and if anyone can give me some insight as to what albion has coming back offensively and defensively next season??? I am really looking forward to this match-up and love talking football so if anyone can give me some input that would be great... Thanks guys!

Hello d3fan:
We usuall have 2 or 3 Albion posters who are fairly regular on here.  They can provide you with more indepth info on returning lettermen than I can.  Albion steadily improved this year after opening season consecutive losses.  While they were clearly the best team by the end of the season, they certainly were no powerhouse.  Personally, I thought they were an average team, good, but not great, of which I base that on what I witnessed when they played us (Hope).  While Hope did not deserve to win that game (it was a 12-3 loss and Albion could have score at least once more perhaps twice had they not had turnovers, the actual fact was that Hope played poorly that day.  Hope could have won if they had played the way they did against Trine and Adrian.  Anyway, although Albion was obviously much improved this year over last, and most likely will be more improved next year, they are always a team that you have to look out for.  Yet, they still have a long way to go to get back to their "power years" in consecutive MIAA titles and their Stagg Bowl National Championship calibur team in 1994, i.e. to todays' upper tier, as evidence shows by their being smashed thoroughly by UW-W in the first round playoff game this year.  Anyway, I'm sure our Albion colleagues here will eventually fill you in on what they expect for next year's team.  All the best to you.

formerd3db 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1515 on December 03, 2011, 07:39:35 PM
Thank you d3db!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 03, 2011, 07:40:00 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

Congrats on your +500 K! :) +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 03, 2011, 10:31:31 PM
You are welcome d3fan1515 and thank you also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: fbgab on December 04, 2011, 05:04:50 PM
Any rumblings at Olivet?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 04, 2011, 07:00:31 PM
I heard there were "a ton of applications" for the position at Olivet.  However, no statements on progress have been released to the public as yet about either the Olivet or Alma positions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 04, 2011, 09:01:29 PM
From the Alma job posting:

Quote
demonstrated commitment or experience working with diverse populations

Lol we're one of the whitest teams/campuses you'll find
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 06, 2011, 05:32:55 PM
So the Big East realigned itself today with a few new additions.  I found their new logo.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valanduseconstructionlaw.com%2Fuploads%2Fimage%2Fall_misfit_toys_welcome_here.jpg&hash=d257a770f76397d6f195120e0a31b3c7716b5bed)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 06, 2011, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: sac on December 06, 2011, 05:32:55 PM
So the Big East realigned itself today with a few new additions.  I found their new logo.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valanduseconstructionlaw.com%2Fuploads%2Fimage%2Fall_misfit_toys_welcome_here.jpg&hash=d257a770f76397d6f195120e0a31b3c7716b5bed)

sac,

Well done! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 08, 2011, 03:11:27 PM
It's interesting to me that the MIAA hoops board is so "alive" with many posters.

To what do we attribute this to? The number of games played, the lack of things to do in the winter, or is hoops just more popular at most MIAA schools? OR does Hope and Calvin run the show over on the MBB forum?  ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2011, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on December 08, 2011, 03:11:27 PM
It's interesting to me that the MIAA hoops board is so "alive" with many posters.

To what do we attribute this to? The number of games played, the lack of things to do in the winter, or is hoops just more popular at most MIAA schools? OR does Hope and Calvin run the show over on the MBB forum?  ;D

The hoops board is probably at least 80% Hope and Calvin posters, and they probably make at least 90% of the posts.  The absense of the Hope-Calvin rivalry in football I'm sure dramatically cuts into football posting.

I'm not at all sure that bball is more popular than fball across the MIAA, but fball lacks THE big rivalry.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2011, 04:40:46 PM
I would agree with you Mr. Ypsi in that football has historically been "king" in the MIAA and, of course, Albion's Stagg Bowl national championship in 1994.  The Hope/Albion rivalry has (admittedly ;)) arguably been the major football focus for many years despite the slight decline in overall "upper tier" results for both of those programs in recent years.  Basketball has essentially been the Hope/Calvin rivalry for several decades with the high success of both those programs and Calvin's two national championships for men (although Hope and Alma's women's teams have won the national championship in basketball - Alma once, Hope twice).  With bias, of course, for me, football will always be "king" here. ;D :o ::) ;) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 08, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 08, 2011, 04:40:46 PM
I would agree with you Mr. Ypsi in that football has historically been "king" in the MIAA and, of course, Albion's Stagg Bowl national championship in 1994.  The Hope/Albion rivalry has (admittedly ;)) arguably been the major football focus for many years despite the slight decline in overall "upper tier" results for both of those programs in recent years.  Basketball has essentially been the Hope/Calvin rivalry for several decades with the high success of both those programs and Calvin's two national championships for men (although Hope and Alma's women's teams have won the national championship in basketball - Alma once, Hope twice).  With bias, of course, for me, football will always be "king" here. ;D :o ::) ;) :)

There's a few big rivalries in the MIAA Football, just not necessarily as publicized.

Albion/Alma I believe is the oldest (or most games played - somethin along those lines), while Albion Olivet (or is it Kzoo Olivet? OC_SID should be able to help since he provided the info to ESPN) was on ESPN's College football live a few summers ago when it did the 50 states in 50 days thing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
There has been talk on the bball board that (with the retirement/dying off of the most adamant opponents) Calvin may finally be close to taking up football.  Anyone have updates?

Since Hope/Calvin seems to be THE big rivalry (not discounting others, but that one is right up there with Wabash/DePauw and Amherst/Williams in d3, and probably comparable to Michigan/Ohio St., Duke/UNC, etc., at any level), I suspect that within a short time the MIAA fball board would be cranking out the pages like the MIAA bball board. ;)

[Though my hope would be that the fball board would stay more balanced in terms of participation than the bball board tends to be. 8-)]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 08, 2011, 06:32:44 PM
Ok thanks for the input on all this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 08, 2011, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
There has been talk on the bball board that (with the retirement/dying off of the most adamant opponents) Calvin may finally be close to taking up football.  Anyone have updates?

Since Hope/Calvin seems to be THE big rivalry (not discounting others, but that one is right up there with Wabash/DePauw and Amherst/Williams in d3, and probably comparable to Michigan/Ohio St., Duke/UNC, etc., at any level), I suspect that within a short time the MIAA fball board would be cranking out the pages like the MIAA bball board. ;)

[Though my hope would be that the fball board would stay more balanced in terms of participation than the bball board tends to be. 8-)]

It's hard to get anything in on the bball board that's not about hope or calvin I'd hate to see the fball board like that
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2011, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: sflzman on December 08, 2011, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
There has been talk on the bball board that (with the retirement/dying off of the most adamant opponents) Calvin may finally be close to taking up football.  Anyone have updates?

Since Hope/Calvin seems to be THE big rivalry (not discounting others, but that one is right up there with Wabash/DePauw and Amherst/Williams in d3, and probably comparable to Michigan/Ohio St., Duke/UNC, etc., at any level), I suspect that within a short time the MIAA fball board would be cranking out the pages like the MIAA bball board. ;)

[Though my hope would be that the fball board would stay more balanced in terms of participation than the bball board tends to be. 8-)]

It's hard to get anything in on the bball board that's not about hope or calvin I'd hate to see the fball board like that

But I haven't sensed any hostility from Hope or Calvin posters to others; in fact, they seem to welcome their input.  The others simply get drowned out by the sheer volume of Hope/Calvin inputs.  Barring a descent into irrelevance by one or both or them (whch seems unlikely), I doubt that will change.  The solution is simply for posters supporting other schools to POST more often!

As we've seen on this board with the dramatic increase in Trine boosters, success leads to posters.  Balance occurs if loyal supporters remain loyal regardless of this year's (or even this decade's) success.  I'm a big fan of sflzman since he has continued despite an incredibly disappointing season for what I sure thought was a contender.  And kudos to those Trine supporters who are still around after what was an unexpectedly disappointing season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 08, 2011, 10:07:44 PM
Awwe you gave me that fuzzy feeling feeling mr ypsi ;) haha
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2011, 10:14:52 PM
Actually, in terms of the earliest start date, Albion/Olivet is the oldest rivalry as they began in 1884 with two games.  However, since that rivalry was interrupted for several years when Olivet temporarily discontinued its membership in the MIAA, that rivalry does not have the most games within its total count.  Indeed, as sflzman has pointed out, Albion/Alma is a very heated rivalry and, just thinking "off the top of my head" without checking the book MIAA FOOTBALL ;D ::) ;), perhaps it might have the most total games, although I could be wrong, since Olivet/Kazoo and Kazoo/Albion both were started before the Alma/Albion rivalries. ::) :o  Hope/Kazoo is an old one, however, Hope was not in the MIAA when that started after the turn of the last century.  Anyway, it is interesting to review the MIAA history of these rivalries.

Also, I have not heard any updates with regard to the Calvin consideration of adding football.  As to our board, we have had tremendous participation this year and good discussions and, yes, good banter here, even when we have disagreed on various aspects.  We have a good board IMO.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 08, 2011, 11:18:54 PM
Most played MIAA rivalries

Albion-Kalamazoo  126 games (also most played in basketball)
Albion-Olivet 111 games
Albion-Alma  110 games
Alma-Kzoo -101 games
Olivet-Kzoo - 102 games

---------------------

Unfortunately yes the basketball board is dominated by Hope/Calvin posters.  I've done my best to keep the info on other teams involved but it gets drowned out a lot.   It also seems that most contributions from posters about other teams have either been to ...

A) bitch about Hope or Calvin
B) bitch about not talking about other teams enough
C)  our team got screwed by the refs vs Hope or Calvin.
D)  all of the above, sometimes in one post.

Its unfortunate but people want to focus on their own teams, there's nothing wrong with that.  I can understand the frustrations of seeing nothing but posts about Hope and Calvin.   Hope has led D3 in basketball attendance for several years, and Calvin is almost always in the top 3 when they haven't led it themselves.  There are just a lot more Hope and Calvin posters who care about basketball.  They are also the two biggest schools in the MIAA by a lot.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 09, 2011, 10:08:57 AM
sflzman,

Congrats on reaching the +100k!  :) +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 09, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
Here and There ;):

sac: Thanks for the statistics regarding some of the rivalries, as I was too lazy to check that out from the book at the time of my last post and before yours ;D ::) ;).  As would be expected, Olivet/Albion and Kazoo/Albion have the highest total of games, since those schools had well established programs and playing in the early 1890's, even though Olivet and Albion were playing before then.  Again, the difference in the #1 and #2 slots regarding total # of games for those two rivalries is that Olivet had a least a couple of extended discontinuances of their football program for some years.  Anyway, great stat work as usual and thanks again.

sflzman:  Yes, congrats on 100 +k!

Raider68:  Good luck to your Mount Union Raiders tomorrow in the semi-final game.  I suspect that you will need to dress significantly warmer than you and I did when we sat in the stands at last week's game on your campus.  Also, it has been great to read the various postings and banter this week among the Mount faithful and the Wesley crowd. :D  I expect the game to be either a very close or like the Wabash game was last week.  Unless Wesley steps up and breaks out of their "implosion mode" like they've done in past years in the latter round playoff games, I think Mount will earn a return trip to the Stagg Bowl.  Anyway, again dress warm for the game tomorrow and I hope you enjoy the day.  Wish I could make the trip down again, but one "blast trip" in a week is about all I can handle! ;D :o ::) :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 09, 2011, 04:47:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
Here and There ;):

sac: Thanks for the statistics regarding some of the rivalries, as I was too lazy to check that out from the book at the time of my last post and before yours ;D ::) ;).  As would be expected, Olivet/Albion and Kazoo/Albion have the highest total of games, since those schools had well established programs and playing in the early 1890's, even though Olivet and Albion were playing before then.  Again, the difference in the #1 and #2 slots regarding total # of games for those two rivalries is that Olivet had a least a couple of extended discontinuances of their football program for some years.  Anyway, great stat work as usual and thanks again.

sflzman:  Yes, congrats on 100 +k!

Raider68:  Good luck to your Mount Union Raiders tomorrow in the semi-final game.  I suspect that you will need to dress significantly warmer than you and I did when we sat in the stands at last week's game on your campus.  Also, it has been great to read the various postings and banter this week among the Mount faithful and the Wesley crowd. :D  I expect the game to be either a very close or like the Wabash game was last week.  Unless Wesley steps up and breaks out of their "implosion mode" like they've done in past years in the latter round playoff games, I think Mount will earn a return trip to the Stagg Bowl.  Anyway, again dress warm for the game tomorrow and I hope you enjoy the day.  Wish I could make the trip down again, but one "blast trip" in a week is about all I can handle! ;D :o ::) :) 

formerd3db,

Thanks for that and I plan to dress somewhat warmer. With just about everthing in storage, we have a limited wardrobe. The game will be good one, and I look for the Raiders to put a good game plan together.
Maybe you can watch on ESPN3. :) ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 09, 2011, 04:54:34 PM
Raider68:
You are welcome and also I forgot about you mentioning your winter clothing in temporary storage due to your recent move!  You just might have to invest in a new Mount Union coat for the game - better get over early to campus to the bookstore before the game!  I will have to check to see if we get ESPN3 - I know I have the other two channels, but believe it or not, I'm not sure if we have the other one!  Duh.... ::) ;)  Take care and drive safe.

P.S. Check your PMs - I just sent you one also.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 10, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
Wow, can you believe it?  Our own Wayne State (MI) of the GLIAC winning today in the semi-final playoff game and will be competing for the NCAA Div. II National Championship next week!  What a huge turnaround for that school's program, which was almost dropped back in 1982-1983 by its then mis-guided president. Their head coach and his staff, with support from the administration, has really done a good job in building that program, improving it; their stadium facilities have been wonderfully upgraded/improved and a good following as well as good recruiting.  Overall, wouldn't that be something if they won the title next week?  I'm sure it will be tough though, especially if Pittsburg State from KS, a perennial upper tier DII team and a school that has won the DII national title several years back, wins the other DII semi-final game tonight.  Anyway, very exciting (and surprising that Grand Valley State was not in the mix this year :D :)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on December 10, 2011, 11:05:09 PM
The three finalists for the Olivet college head job are Jake Moreland (tight ends at Western Michigan), Dan Pifer (offensive coordinator / special teams coordinator at Trine) and Tyler Haines (offensive coordinator at Adrian College).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 10, 2011, 11:39:43 PM
I was curious.......I count 8 D1 transfers on Wayne State's roster.  The most interesting to me, James Jackson from just down the road in Grand Ledge.  He was a former Buckeye and enrolled early but things didn't pan out for him.  Early enrollees are often on the fast track to playing but not always.

http://wsuathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4680&path=football

Seems he's had mixed bag of success for the Tartans.  I don't think he's played in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 10, 2011, 11:57:07 PM
rome:
Where have you been all season?  You should have been posting - you were missed on our board.  Anyway, I saw that release also, however, I am very surprised that the college would announce finalists like that.  We know that the big schools via the media usually report all the rumors, although sometimes they allow the media to report naming of those "in the running", however, this is surprising to me at this level.  Not sure how fair that is to the candidates.  Just my opinion. ::)

sac:
I saw that too.  WSU's coach has done a great job, although I've heard rumors that he is the leading candidate for the DI Akron job.  If he leaves, that would be a big blow to Wayne State.  BTW, a former Hope player is one of their assistant coaches (actually, his second stint).  I'll be rooting for them next week in the DII national title game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: fbgab on December 11, 2011, 03:54:25 PM
They must be ultra-confident one of the three will take the job, and are not using this opportunity to gain exp. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: skunks_sidekick on December 11, 2011, 04:20:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 10, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
Wow, can you believe it?  Our own Wayne State (MI) of the GLIAC winning today in the semi-final playoff game and will be competing for the NCAA Div. II National Championship next week!  What a huge turnaround for that school's program, which was almost dropped back in 1982-1983 by its then mis-guided president. Their head coach and his staff, with support from the administration, has really done a good job in building that program, improving it; their stadium facilities have been wonderfully upgraded/improved and a good following as well as good recruiting.  Overall, wouldn't that be something if they won the title next week?  I'm sure it will be tough though, especially if Pittsburg State from KS, a perennial upper tier DII team and a school that has won the DII national title several years back, wins the other DII semi-final game tonight.  Anyway, very exciting (and surprising that Grand Valley State was not in the mix this year :D :)).

Read that the Wayne State coach has been mentioned for the Akron (and maybe even Toledo) job?  I think I might have read it here in the Canton Rep.  He sounds like a great coach, that has turned a program around.  I know Akron could sure use a guy like that!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
fbgab:
I agree with you.  I doubt hightly that any of these 3 will turn the job down if offered.  Regardless, I still think that releasing the names like that (with full bios no less) was not the way to do it.

skunks:
I agree with you also.  If he got offered the Toledo job, he would not have far to move, although certainly Akron is not that horribly farther to move.  Regardless, as I said, if he is offered and accepts either of those jobs, I believe he will take most of the staff with him - several of those guys played at the DI level and IMO, just based on their bios, would be the type of coaches who desire to move on to the next level.  If they do go, it will be a blow to Wayne State's program, IMO, because even though Winters has built that program up and will leave it in very good shape, it will still be a challenge for a new coach to come in and go on from there.  Not that it is impossible to do that, but I think the momentum "buster" of just having a change will be challenging to say the least.  We'll see what happens.  Yet, as you mention, who ever gets him (if it is, in fact, Toledo or Akron) will be getting a very good coach and good man.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on December 12, 2011, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
fbgab:
I agree with you.  I doubt hightly that any of these 3 will turn the job down if offered.  Regardless, I still think that releasing the names like that (with full bios no less) was not the way to do it.

skunks:
I agree with you also.  If he got offered the Toledo job, he would not have far to move, although certainly Akron is not that horribly farther to move.  Regardless, as I said, if he is offered and accepts either of those jobs, I believe he will take most of the staff with him - several of those guys played at the DI level and IMO, just based on their bios, would be the type of coaches who desire to move on to the next level.  If they do go, it will be a blow to Wayne State's program, IMO, because even though Winters has built that program up and will leave it in very good shape, it will still be a challenge for a new coach to come in and go on from there.  Not that it is impossible to do that, but I think the momentum "buster" of just having a change will be challenging to say the least.  We'll see what happens.  Yet, as you mention, who ever gets him (if it is, in fact, Toledo or Akron) will be getting a very good coach and good man.

I read this morning that Wayne State redshirts all of their first-year's.  Very interesting way of doing things.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
stinger:
That, indeed, is surprising.  I don't believe that the other GLIAC schools redshirt all of their first year players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: skunks_sidekick on December 13, 2011, 10:15:34 AM
With Campbell becoming the "permanent" HC at Toledo, I wonder if this amps up Akron's efforts to land Winters?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 13, 2011, 12:20:40 PM
skunks:

I think it would, especially if Wayne State wins the DII National Championship this weekend.  On the other hand, even if they lost, I would hope that Akron would still consider him (if he is that seriously interested in leaving Wayne State).  Even with a loss in the last game of a season, some coaches have still been selected for the new position at some other programs.  We'll see what goes after the DII final this weekend.  Keep us posted on anything you hear.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on December 16, 2011, 06:50:23 AM
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/feature/x1761817199/Hope-College-Holland-and-Holland-Public-Schools-plan-stadium-co-ownership-improvements

Great news for Hope Football and another example of the great relationship that the City of Holland and Hope College share!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 16, 2011, 07:34:59 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on December 16, 2011, 06:50:23 AM
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/feature/x1761817199/Hope-College-Holland-and-Holland-Public-Schools-plan-stadium-co-ownership-improvements

Great news for Hope Football and another example of the great relationship that the City of Holland and Hope College share!

That's going to make for a much better facility for the two high schools and Hope College.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 16, 2011, 12:01:46 PM
Interesting stat found on reading Pat Coleman's end-of-year reflections.  Looking at a variety of numbers from the 2011 season ...

Minus-2 – Albion's net points for the season, despite being a playoff team. Their 59-0 first-round loss to UW-Whitewater ate up their cushion and left them with a 6-5 record.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on December 16, 2011, 01:41:56 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 16, 2011, 12:01:46 PM
Interesting stat found on reading Pat Coleman's end-of-year reflections.  Looking at a variety of numbers from the 2011 season ...

Minus-2 – Albion's net points for the season, despite being a playoff team. Their 59-0 first-round loss to UW-Whitewater ate up their cushion and left them with a 6-5 record.

Just a little correction. The end-of-year review was actually written by Keith McMillen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Desertraider on December 16, 2011, 02:00:47 PM
I have been watching ESPN2 all day and the ticker at the bottom for NCAAF has the Div.1 FCS semi-finals with times - but nothing on the game tonight. Thanks for nothing ESPN. Even if you are not a fan of either team make it a D3 football event. Remember that one day your team will be in the Stagg and you will want networks to cover it - lets give them some ratings so that can happen. If you don't watch the game thats fine - just turn it on. Maybe if the ratings are decent ESPN will stop moving the game to friday (a TV dead zone!) or moving to a smaller ESPN network so they can show some damn Poker tournament! Even if you not a fan of the teams playing - we are all fans of DIII football!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2011, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on December 16, 2011, 06:50:23 AM
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/feature/x1761817199/Hope-College-Holland-and-Holland-Public-Schools-plan-stadium-co-ownership-improvements

Great news for Hope Football and another example of the great relationship that the City of Holland and Hope College share!

This awesome news for Hope football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2011, 03:39:11 PM
We knew this was "in the works" the past 5 months, yet it is, indeed, great news for Hope College.  It is a "win-win" situation for all 3 parties involved.  As I had mentioned before, IMO, there was no reason that this should not have been worked out for a reasonable solution for all 3.  Now, at least we won't have the "worst" football field in the league! ;D :)  Also, not counting any additional lockerroom facilities and/or concession building(s) improvements/additions to the stadium, the costs will be obviously much less for putting in the actual synthetic turf as compared to other college stadium projects, many of which started "from scratch" because they basically had to rebuild an entire stadium or just do an entire new one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2011, 04:00:45 PM
desertraider:
Thanks for the info.  Yes, as much as I like ESPN, they are sometimes as ridiculous as the NCAA is at making some decisions and creating "some situations".  We'll indeed be having the TV turned on to the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on December 16, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
 Dan Pifer (offensive coordinator at Trine) will be named head coach at Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2011, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: rome on December 16, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
Dan Pifer (offensive coordinator at Trine) will be named head coach at Olivet.

Just saw that on Olivet's website before you posted.  From the press release earlier this week announcing the 3 finalists, I figured they probably wouldn't hire the DI one candidate from Western Michigan.  Trine is probably sad they lost this coach, yet it will be good for Olivet (assuming he is committing and planning on staying for a long time ;D ::) ;)).  Perhaps some of our Trine colleagues can and will comment more about him (I remember some of his coaching stops as were listed, although I guess I forgot he was with Trine these recent years as I obviously didn't follow up on all their staff for whatever reason - usually I do on that type of info just for the knowledge i.e. to be informed. ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 16, 2011, 06:59:42 PM
Anthony Sabatella named d3football.com Honorable Mention All-American tonight
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2011, 01:09:07 PM
Wayne State is not doing well right now in the Div II championship game against Pittsburg State (KS).  Turnovers have hurt them.  It is only 27-14, however, one more score by Pitt St. and I think the game is essentially over.  Unless they have a huge "miraculous" turnaround in how they're playing, it will (IMO) be very difficult for Wayne State to come back from that kind of deficit.  I hope they can do it, however, but... ;D ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 17, 2011, 01:12:52 PM
BTW, sflzman, congrats on your 100th +karma point. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on December 18, 2011, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: sflzman on December 16, 2011, 06:59:42 PM
Anthony Sabatella named d3football.com Honorable Mention All-American tonight

He had an awesome year and deserved all his accolades. Hopefully there will be more recognized next year for Alma...will see what the new coach brings with him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2011, 09:35:32 PM
Too bad for Wayne State yesterday, although they did give a flicker of hope in almost getting near to either taking the lead or tying towards the end, before Pittsburg State pulled away for good.  Still, they had a great season.  That game, in addition to the 3 Div. I bowls yesterday which kicked off "Capital-One Bowl Week", were excellent and exciting games (obviously Ohio U's and UL-Lafayette's last second wins and even though Temple blew out Wyoming, it was an exciting game and good to see Temple rebound from previous poor years). Despite that they are "minor bowls" and considered worthless by many people in the "bowl game glutenous situation", I think that those just might outdo perhaps a couple of the BCS bowl games.  We'll see what happens.

The Div. II announcers once again shows why ESPN needs to get some better people for that;  Pam Ward just doesn't do it...example, when talking about Wayne State's former nickname, she kept pronouncing it as Tart-Tars, instead of Tartars ::) :P Ridiculous.  At least, let's get our own state's former Central Michigan University/Buffalo Bills LB Ray Bentley back in there, although he does the DI MAC games for ESPN now and, as such, probably wouldn't want to return/go back to announcing the DII and/or DIII championship games. ;)

Yes, congrats to Alma's Anthony Sbatella for his Honorable Mention AA tab. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 19, 2011, 09:10:06 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 16, 2011, 03:39:11 PM
We knew this was "in the works" the past 5 months, yet it is, indeed, great news for Hope College.  It is a "win-win" situation for all 3 parties involved.  As I had mentioned before, IMO, there was no reason that this should not have been worked out for a reasonable solution for all 3.  Now, at least we won't have the "worst" football field in the league! ;D :)  Also, not counting any additional lockerroom facilities and/or concession building(s) improvements/additions to the stadium, the costs will be obviously much less for putting in the actual synthetic turf as compared to other college stadium projects, many of which started "from scratch" because they basically had to rebuild an entire stadium or just do an entire new one.

formerd3db,

This is great news for Hope. your alma mater. Good to see the strong relationship between the City of Holland and Hope College! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 19, 2011, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 18, 2011, 09:35:32 PM
Too bad for Wayne State yesterday, although they did give a flicker of hope in almost getting near to either taking the lead or tying towards the end, before Pittsburg State pulled away for good.  Still, they had a great season.  That game, in addition to the 3 Div. I bowls yesterday which kicked off "Capital-One Bowl Week", were excellent and exciting games (obviously Ohio U's and UL-Lafayette's last second wins and even though Temple blew out Wyoming, it was an exciting game and good to see Temple rebound from previous poor years). Despite that they are "minor bowls" and considered worthless by many people in the "bowl game glutenous situation", I think that those just might outdo perhaps a couple of the BCS bowl games.  We'll see what happens.

The Div. II announcers once again shows why ESPN needs to get some better people for that;  Pam Ward just doesn't do it...example, when talking about Wayne State's former nickname, she kept pronouncing it as Tart-Tars, instead of Tartars ::) :P Ridiculous. At least, let's get our own state's former Central Michigan University/Buffalo Bills LB Ray Bentley back in there, although he does the DI MAC games for ESPN now and, as such, probably wouldn't want to return/go back to announcing the DII and/or DIII championship games. ;)

Yes, congrats to Alma's Anthony Sbatella for his Honorable Mention AA tab. 

I guess it's preference based, but I'd rather turn it off then listen to anything Ray Bently has to say. ;) I
find him incredibly obnoxiousness - and while he maybe able to pronounce "Tartars" correct  (which to me isn't a big deal, because if you decide to nickname your team the Tartars, quite frankly you deserve to hear it butchered) his insight is not much better the Pam Wards... ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on December 19, 2011, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on December 19, 2011, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 18, 2011, 09:35:32 PM
Too bad for Wayne State yesterday, although they did give a flicker of hope in almost getting near to either taking the lead or tying towards the end, before Pittsburg State pulled away for good.  Still, they had a great season.  That game, in addition to the 3 Div. I bowls yesterday which kicked off "Capital-One Bowl Week", were excellent and exciting games (obviously Ohio U's and UL-Lafayette's last second wins and even though Temple blew out Wyoming, it was an exciting game and good to see Temple rebound from previous poor years). Despite that they are "minor bowls" and considered worthless by many people in the "bowl game glutenous situation", I think that those just might outdo perhaps a couple of the BCS bowl games.  We'll see what happens.

The Div. II announcers once again shows why ESPN needs to get some better people for that;  Pam Ward just doesn't do it...example, when talking about Wayne State's former nickname, she kept pronouncing it as Tart-Tars, instead of Tartars ::) :P Ridiculous. At least, let's get our own state's former Central Michigan University/Buffalo Bills LB Ray Bentley back in there, although he does the DI MAC games for ESPN now and, as such, probably wouldn't want to return/go back to announcing the DII and/or DIII championship games. ;)

Yes, congrats to Alma's Anthony Sbatella for his Honorable Mention AA tab. 

I guess it's preference based, but I'd rather turn it off then listen to anything Ray Bently has to say. ;) I
find him incredibly obnoxiousness - and while he maybe able to pronounce "Tartars" correct  (which to me isn't a big deal, because if you decide to nickname your team the Tartars, quite frankly you deserve to hear it butchered) his insight is not much better the Pam Wards... ::)

LOL!! There is a high school in Illinois(Freeport) called the Pretzels-enough said. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
ThunderHead:

I take it, then, you are not a fan of the "Bikita & Bentley Show" on the "Huge" Sports Radio Network on WBBL in your Grand Rapids, MI area. ;D ::) :) BTW, without quickly checking the roster, doesn't Bentley's son play for Central Michigan, his dad's alma mater?

What do you think about Trine's assistant coach Dan Pifer getting the Olivet College job?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 03:38:40 PM
That's funny, newcardfan! +k, although I have to wait to give it to you as I guess I gave you one less than 24 hours ago ;D.  BTW, what is a Tartar anyway?  I think that should be a new word for Bill O'Reilley to post on his nightly "word of the day" segment. :o ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on December 19, 2011, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 03:38:40 PM
That's funny, newcardfan! +k, although I have to wait to give it to you as I guess I gave you one less than 24 hours ago ;D.  BTW, what is a Tartar anyway?  I think that should be a new word for Bill O'Reilley to post on his nightly "word of the day" segment. :o ;D ;)

According to the ever reliable Wikipedia: A tartar is a Turkic person who lives in the Russian Federation. Seriously? :o

Also:
Tar·tar (tärtr)
n.
1. also Ta·tar (tätr) A member of any of the Turkic and Mongolian peoples of central Asia who invaded western Asia and eastern Europe in the Middle Ages.
2. Variant of Tatar.
3. often tartar A person regarded as ferocious or violent.
Idiom:
catch a Tartar
To grapple with an unexpectedly formidable opponent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
Thanks for the info newcardfan.  I had never looked up the definition before.  I suspect that Wayne State used the reference to definition #3 as I don't think the school has any ties to the Turks or Mongolian peoples, at least not in Detroit and/or none that I know of.  However, I guess the Tartar nickname doesn't matter anyway anymore because Wayne State changed it to the Warriors several years ago, complete with a neat looking "W" logo as you know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on December 19, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
Thanks for the info newcardfan.  I had never looked up the definition before.  I suspect that Wayne State used the reference to definition #3 as I don't think the school has any ties to the Turks or Mongolian peoples, at least not in Detroit and/or none that I know of.  However, I guess the Tartar nickname doesn't matter anyway anymore because Wayne State changed it to the Warriors several years ago, complete with a neat looking "W" logo as you know.

No problem-Not much to do until track season starts. And hardly anyone posts on the track board. And, IMHO I'd rather be a warrior than a tartar-no offense to any tartars. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on December 19, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
Thanks for the info newcardfan.  I had never looked up the definition before.  I suspect that Wayne State used the reference to definition #3 as I don't think the school has any ties to the Turks or Mongolian peoples, at least not in Detroit and/or none that I know of.  However, I guess the Tartar nickname doesn't matter anyway anymore because Wayne State changed it to the Warriors several years ago, complete with a neat looking "W" logo as you know.

No problem-Not much to do until track season starts. And hardly anyone posts on the track board. And, IMHO I'd rather be a warrior than a tartar-no offense to any tartars. :D

OTOH, they do make a yummy sauce to go with fish sticks! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 19, 2011, 06:57:46 PM
This will come off wrong, but I don't listen to sports radio from local guys, especially Bakita and Bently (I can barely tolerate "huge" - and yes, it's lower case for a reason) ;). I find them all very much hard on the ears. I tried them about 1 day, that was enough.  :)

As for Pifer - ahh, I mean, good for him. I don't know - now that the guys I know have graduated, I haven't really paid much attention to the program. I didn't think much of him as a play caller this season, if that's what you're asking. Then again - my opinions are already well stated. No need to beat a dead horses.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on December 19, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
Thanks for the info newcardfan.  I had never looked up the definition before.  I suspect that Wayne State used the reference to definition #3 as I don't think the school has any ties to the Turks or Mongolian peoples, at least not in Detroit and/or none that I know of.  However, I guess the Tartar nickname doesn't matter anyway anymore because Wayne State changed it to the Warriors several years ago, complete with a neat looking "W" logo as you know.

No problem-Not much to do until track season starts. And hardly anyone posts on the track board. And, IMHO I'd rather be a warrior than a tartar-no offense to any tartars. :D

OTOH, they do make a yummy sauce to go with fish sticks! ;D

Mr. Ypsi:

That is hilarious!  I always wondered if the tartar nickname had anything to do with the sauce. ;D :D ;)  Just kidding!

Yes, newcard, I'd rather be a warrior than a tartar also!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on December 19, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
Thanks for the info newcardfan.  I had never looked up the definition before.  I suspect that Wayne State used the reference to definition #3 as I don't think the school has any ties to the Turks or Mongolian peoples, at least not in Detroit and/or none that I know of.  However, I guess the Tartar nickname doesn't matter anyway anymore because Wayne State changed it to the Warriors several years ago, complete with a neat looking "W" logo as you know.

No problem-Not much to do until track season starts. And hardly anyone posts on the track board. And, IMHO I'd rather be a warrior than a tartar-no offense to any tartars. :D

OTOH, they do make a yummy sauce to go with fish sticks! ;D

Mr. Ypsi:

That is hilarious!  I always wondered if the tartar nickname had anything to do with the sauce. ;D :D ;)  Just kidding!

Yes, newcard, I'd rather be a warrior than a tartar also!

Though I dare say that most eastern Europeans in the Middle Ages would have preferred to face most 'warriors' rather than Ta(r)tars - those guys were vicious!  Probably every bit as much feared as the Vikings (though, if memory serves, I believe they were eventually defeated by the Vikings - my medieval eastern European history is far in the past and quite shaky).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 20, 2011, 11:55:14 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on December 19, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 19, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
Thanks for the info newcardfan.  I had never looked up the definition before.  I suspect that Wayne State used the reference to definition #3 as I don't think the school has any ties to the Turks or Mongolian peoples, at least not in Detroit and/or none that I know of.  However, I guess the Tartar nickname doesn't matter anyway anymore because Wayne State changed it to the Warriors several years ago, complete with a neat looking "W" logo as you know.

No problem-Not much to do until track season starts. And hardly anyone posts on the track board. And, IMHO I'd rather be a warrior than a tartar-no offense to any tartars. :D

OTOH, they do make a yummy sauce to go with fish sticks! ;D

Mr. Ypsi:

That is hilarious!  I always wondered if the tartar nickname had anything to do with the sauce. ;D :D ;)  Just kidding!

Yes, newcard, I'd rather be a warrior than a tartar also!

Though I dare say that most eastern Europeans in the Middle Ages would have preferred to face most 'warriors' rather than Ta(r)tars - those guys were vicious!  Probably every bit as much feared as the Vikings (though, if memory serves, I believe they were eventually defeated by the Vikings - my medieval eastern European history is far in the past and quite shaky).

Stating that "medieval eastern European history is in the far past" is a bit redundant, don't you think   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 21, 2011, 03:48:27 PM
From the Grand Rapids Press today ... the next step in a Calvin College football program.

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2011/12/calvin_college_will_weigh_posi.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2011, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 21, 2011, 03:48:27 PM
From the Grand Rapids Press today ... the next step in a Calvin College football program.

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2011/12/calvin_college_will_weigh_posi.html

It will be interesting to see what happens.  One aspect that I simply cannot understand is the reluctance of the faculty at Calvin to support this.  There is absolutely no reason whatsoever, none that they could legitimately put forth, that football would be a detriment to the college.  It obviously has not hurt Hope College in the educational aspects at all in over 100+ years.  Furthermore, Calvin can raise the $ to cover the costs of starting, maintaining the program and upgrading their facilities.  I do not doubt for one minute that they will not be able to raise that kind of $ including donors.  Besides, the Christian Reformed high schools have sustained sucessful football programs for years and I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that has been presented by anyone (let alone Calvin College faculty) that can prove those programs have been a detriment to the educational mission and purpose of higher education at those schools; again, that would just not happen either at Calvin College.  For faculty to say otherwise, is simply being disingenuous.  I wouldn't believe them for a second because we all know that it can be done and in the right way and the right purpose.  If this proposal for Calvin does not go through, it will simply be because many of those people are football haters and they subscribe to the very misguied "Swarthemore Debacle".  And that will be very sad. :P Just my opinion. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on December 21, 2011, 04:49:45 PM
The new D3 2012 rankings are out.
1. UW-Whitewater
2.Mary Hardin-Baylor
3.Mount Union
4.Wesley
5.McMurry
6.Salisbury
7.St Thomas
8.UW-Oshkosh
9.Trinity Tx
10.Linfield

MIAA
65 Albion
73 Adrian
82 Hope
88 Trine
Get ready it will be here sooner than you think!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on December 22, 2011, 01:45:20 PM
HINT to MIAA teams looking to get to the next level

subscribe to HUDL...it will allow you to get more film and scout more players than ever before...

Recruiting is the bedrock of success....when Albion own the conference in the 90s it was all about getting every kid that was just a hair below DII level and having 100+ rosters full of talent...

Adrian has adopted the big roster model--retention seems to be an issue...

We will see who will make the next big step in getting numbers and talent to their roster...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 22, 2011, 04:04:45 PM
rome:

Getting the big roster numbers sometimes works, sometimes not, for various reasons.  For schools like Adrian and Olivet, recruiting large incoming football classes is one of the ways in attempting to help enrollment at those schools, aside from the obvious objectives of trying to improve the football programs and/or keep them towards "that next level".  However, for schools like Hope and Albion, they do not have an "enrollment problem", hence, getting those big numbers, is in a sense, not the priority.  Mount Union has had the "model" for that obviously, and as you mention, it worked for Albion in the '90's.  However, I doubt that we'll see this again in the MIAA because of the DII competition (and now some of the NAIA schools) for recruits as we've discussed here several times.  The MIAA schools are just not going to get those potential players anymore because of the scholarships and the high cost of the DIII MIAA schools (and also just how much the MIAA schools are willing to work out for the athletes as far as academic and need based aid - there are differences in the financial aid packages among the various colleges).  Also, while having the large rosters helps maintain having enough "bodies" (for both varsity and the JV programs - albeit the latter exists because of the high numbers), some of the coaching staffs will tell that it is just not managable in reality from a coaching standpoint.

So, IMO, I doubt there will be big numbers coming in, other that perhaps for Olivet since they have the new coach and perhaps Adrian.  Of course, when your team wins, there is a huge influx of players who want to go to that school and we've usually seen rosters swell during those times in the past.  However, for now, I still believe that will depend on the economic parameters.  Anyway, that's how I see it.

I wish you and all our MIAA colleagues here a Merry Christmas this weekend.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 22, 2011, 04:34:25 PM
To all the MIAA posters, I wish each of you and your famlies a Merry Christmas! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 23, 2011, 04:43:04 PM
Another sign of the times.  Just great. ::) :P  So now we have 21 former NFL players sueing the league for damages they allege for subsequent concussion symptoms.  This is egregious - they knew the risks of playing a game like football and no one forced them to choose that career.  I'm sorry, however, I have no sympathy for this kind of "grab bag" for $ and I hope the cases are either thrown out of court and/or they lose.  Apparently, according to the media, they have requested jury trials and I hope that there are decent folk out there who will be serving on those juries (if the cases get that far) that will see this for what it is and do the right thing.  Unless, there is evidence that the team coaches, administrators, athletic training and medical staffs of those NFL teams did something of negligence in the treatment of those players concussions - which I highly doubt is the case and the players would have to prove it unequivically beyond a reasonable doubt AND...if there is such evidence, those players should have addressed this long before now.  However, it has not been reported that they did the latter or that there was any evidence to support that, but rather they are doing this now only because of the recent hype and scrutiny in concussion awareness.  Those aspects are certainly needed, however, those players absolutely bear some personal responsibility for their current situation if they were not honest in reporting (under-reporting) their symptoms when they were playing and/or outright were not truthful about it and just kept playing "the game" at all costs.  Well, they were only slightly right in that it cost them alright, by sacrificing their health in later years if they did that.  This is very sad, however, unfortunately, what our society has become - highly letiginous and all for the sake of $.  Just another reason why I don't like the NFL or professional sports. :P :)  Sorry to ruin some pre-Christmas cheer ("bah, hum bug" ;D ::)), however, this kind of ridiculous "stuff" just upsets me, but...I didn't bring this to the forefront, rather they and the media did by announcing all this today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 23, 2011, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 23, 2011, 04:43:04 PM
Another sign of the times.  Just great. ::) :P  So now we have 21 former NFL players sueing the league for damages they allege for subsequent concussion symptoms.  This is egregious - they knew the risks of playing a game like football and no one forced them to choose that career.  I'm sorry, however, I have no sympathy for this kind of "grab bag" for $ and I hope the cases are either thrown out of court and/or they lose.  Apparently, according to the media, they have requested jury trials and I hope that there are decent folk out there who will be serving on those juries (if the cases get that far) that will see this for what it is and do the right thing.  Unless, there is evidence that the team coaches, administrators, athletic training and medical staffs of those NFL teams did something of negligence in the treatment of those players concussions - which I highly doubt is the case and the players reawould have to prove it unequivically beyond a reasonable doubt AND...if there is such evidence, those players should have addressed this long before now.  However, it has not been reported that they did the latter or that there was any evidence to support that, but rather they are doing this now only because of the recent hype and scrutiny in concussion awareness.  Those aspects are certainly needed, however, those players absolutely bear some personal responsibility for their current situation if they were not honest in reporting (under-reporting) their symptoms when they were playing and/or outright were not truthful about it and just kept playing "the game" at all costs.  Well, they were only slightly right in that it cost them alright, by sacrificing their health in later years if they did that.  This is very sad, however, unfortunately, what our society has become - highly letiginous and all for the sake of $.  Just another reason why I don't like the NFL or professional sports. :P :)  Sorry to ruin some pre-Christmas cheer ("bah, hum bug" ;D ::)), however, this kind of ridiculous "stuff" just upsets me, but...I didn't bring this to the forefront, rather they and the media did by announcing all this today.

A lawyer could clarify, but I'm pretty sure you are confusing the standard in criminal trials with the 'preponderance of the evidence' standard for civil trials.  If the players' attorneys can convince the juries that the players had a well-founded fear of losing playing time (or even being cut) if they didn't 'man up' and get back in the game (which before the current attention to concussions, seems entirely plausible to me), I'd think they have a good chance of winning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 23, 2011, 05:25:13 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I can see that point, but only to a degree.  As far as the attorneys, that "semantics" game is ridiculous, even though I know, like you there is a "difference" between civil and criminal cases as such (a system, which I personally think stinks and is ridiculous, but...no one is going to change that ever and we all know that). At any rate, the players are stupid in this sense, IF it is the case i.e. if they really, truly were worried about their health, they still, then had/have a responsibility to themselves to be truthful about that and even so far as their teammates are concerned.  Was their continued play (with a concussion, even if mild) not only putting themselves at risk, but also their teammates and would that not be considered putting for their best effort?  In one sense, a legit case could be made that they were cheating their teammates and team and the fans in that regard.  Also, if there was that "threat" of being cut, even if they did not report their symptoms, then the training staffs might be liable because they would have either falsified "objective and subjective" exam findings and/or simply "looked the other way".  Neither situation is good.  My point, though, is why are these players doing this now?  If they really truly had concerns, why wait until after several years?  I still believe it is about $ for the most part.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 23, 2011, 05:51:36 PM
Of course it is primarily about the money - d'oh! ;D  (Though, to be fair, in at least some cases it may be money for medical expenses anticipated, and providing for families in case their life-expectancy or earning power is curtailed.)

I haven't examined the situation at all to see who the players are (and probably wouldn't know enough about them to comment intelligently anyway!), but as NFL football players we can presume they were extremely competitive sorts who would not want to come out anyway.  And (at that time) as young males we can presume they felt indestructible.  Really, now, how many twenty-somethings (especially males) actually consider what effects their actions now may have on their health at age 50+?  (You've seen how many of the drive, and how many of them drink (and how many of them do both simultaneously).

I've sometimes expressed the view to people that if I had just TWO years of NFL (or NBA, etc.) money I could retire and live comfortably the rest of my life.  And that is true, IF I were still 'me'!  But if I were the sort of temperament, etc., of players who actually DO make the NFL or NBA, the odds are high that I would 'blow' (or be fleeced out of) most of it! :P  So, yeah, it's about the money!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 24, 2011, 03:08:01 AM
Wow - a heavy discussion point during what is deemed "silly season" here in the sub-Sahara!  The lyrics "take what you get and leave the rest" come to mind and I guess it's a monetary equivalent of survival of the fittest. 

Personally, this smacks of the same attitude that is pervasive in my environs with HIV/AIDS.  The risks have been known for years and rather than adjust behaviors accordingly, the advent of anti-retrovirals (and government-paid, lifetime prescriptions - I won't share which governments ???) allow for continued, cultural acceptance of harems similar to antelope communities without concern for consequences.   1/4 people are HIV positive in this country of 1.9 million - 1 of every 3 here in the capital.  Achieving a goal (in this case, elimination of disease and related chronic side effects) by enabling, thus sustaining causative factors, seems counterproductive to my simple mindedness.
 
While off-topic versus "brain-injury," risks are risks regardless of career or life choices.  At some point, will education and common sense be adhered to, and personal responsibility and accountability become a norm?

Rant over - to All, "Geseende Kersfees en 'n voorspoedige Nuwe Jaar.  Gesondheit!" from Botswana.  Safe Holidays to Everyone.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2011, 09:23:22 AM
Mr. Ypsi and cave2bens:

Excellent posts, gentlemen.  Mr. Ypsi, yes, most young guys are like you describe.  However, I do know that "back in my day", there were many of us (including myself) who were not like that; for example, when someone told me to do something i.e. like the trainer, the team doc, one of my coaches, etc., etc., I did it.  I didn't sit there and make excuses, carry on if I didn't like what they were telling me even though I wanted to continue playing, etc. (i.e. like coming out of a game when slightly injured - concussion, etc.).  Yeah, I wasn't thinking about my health/life would be 25 years later at that time, however, I adhered to the authorities and the rules.  Of course, that doesn't always happen today and players will "face you" without blinking an eye, etc.  Overall, the way I responded, is just the way I was brought up by my parents, of which I am now very, very thankful for.  Also, I am like you in that I've expressed that same aspect about having just two years, or even one years, of that kind of $.  However, the difference between today's (not all, but a great majority) players and you/me, is that we have been taught by wonderful parents and brought up to know what the real priorities should be.

And...cave2 throws the "TD pass" here because he is right about the etiology of the problem.  It's education, mentoring, etc., etc., to change the attitudes and behavior.  Unfortunately, in many, many places (especially big time college football) that just doesn't happen even today and that is sad.  As such, this current mentality will continue for who knows how long, which makes me melencholy.

Someday, these players will find out that the $ doesn't make one d___ aspect of difference at all and I would bet you (if I were a betting man ::) ;D ;), which I am not) that they will be sorry then.

Anyway, I will get off this topic now.  It was just that it struck my "craw" when this story broke in the media yesterday.  So we'll go on to much more pleasant topics now, especially since it is Christmas Eve.  Merry Christmas to you both and enjoy your weekends.

Your friend,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 24, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
Merry Christmas to all the MIAA fans on here ... from an IIAC backer in Grand Rapids.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hazzben on December 24, 2011, 01:42:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 21, 2011, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 21, 2011, 03:48:27 PM
From the Grand Rapids Press today ... the next step in a Calvin College football program.

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2011/12/calvin_college_will_weigh_posi.html

It will be interesting to see what happens.  One aspect that I simply cannot understand is the reluctance of the faculty at Calvin to support this.  There is absolutely no reason whatsoever, none that they could legitimately put forth, that football would be a detriment to the college.  It obviously has not hurt Hope College in the educational aspects at all in over 100+ years.  Furthermore, Calvin can raise the $ to cover the costs of starting, maintaining the program and upgrading their facilities.  I do not doubt for one minute that they will not be able to raise that kind of $ including donors.  Besides, the Christian Reformed high schools have sustained sucessful football programs for years and I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that has been presented by anyone (let alone Calvin College faculty) that can prove those programs have been a detriment to the educational mission and purpose of higher education at those schools; again, that would just not happen either at Calvin College.  For faculty to say otherwise, is simply being disingenuous.  I wouldn't believe them for a second because we all know that it can be done and in the right way and the right purpose.  If this proposal for Calvin does not go through, it will simply be because many of those people are football haters and they subscribe to the very misguied "Swarthemore Debacle".  And that will be very sad. :P Just my opinion. :)

I sometimes wonder if some of this hesitancy isn't just a weird way of Calvin showing how they are different (and in their minds somehow superior to) Hope. We don't play that barbaric sport.

We chatted about this earlier this year, but that mentality was all over NW Iowa for decades. Dordt finally caved when they couldn't stem the tide of Christian school young men attending Northwestern so they could continue their careers.

Oh course, that 3rd question the AD mentions at the end of the article is certainly a big part of the conversation. We Reformed types can be awfully prickly about our pride. The CRC/RCA rivalries go deep and cross many family lines. No one likes losing, but losing to your dutch cousins is worse than not playing at all. The question of whether Calvin can compete with Hope will be no small part of this equation. It'll help that they aren't competing against a tradition as established as Northwestern is in Iowa (that's not meant to be a knock on Hope at all). If Calvin is willing to swallow their pride in the short run (because they will certainly get the short end of the stick with Hope initially) they've got the resources to be competitive. Adding football to the rivalry will only make it more bitter...and hence better.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 25, 2011, 03:21:14 PM
hazzben:

I think that is sad, but true (in fact, I know it is because I have talked with some people who have C.C. "behind the scenes" connections who have confidentially confirmed that some people there, indeed, believe that way).  However, IMO, again, that kind of thinking is absurd.  I don't believe for a second that Calvin would not be able to field a very good and competitive program (I won't reiterate all my reasons here because, as you said, many people here, including you and me, have discussed those various opinions in the past).  In fact, I would go so far as to say that the recruiting competition among Calvin and Hope in the immediate "greater region" Grand Rapids and West Michigan would be very intense.  Also, since Calvin has been losing enrollment to some degree in the most recent years, I can't imagine that adding football would not help that.  Again, that has been proven time and time again among the colleges and universities that have added football programs in recent years, despite the tough economic times that they all face collectively.  IMO, the bottom line is this...if Calvin is going to add football, they need to do it now as this is the time or they will never do it.  I have stronger opinions on this, however, I will be nice and refrain from verbalizing those here. ::) ;).  Also, I could be wrong, yet, I would be shocked if they ever added it later on if they don't do it now.  I hope they make the right decision and decide to add football.  Thanks for your opinion/perspective on this interesting current potential development.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 25, 2011, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 23, 2011, 04:43:04 PM
Another sign of the times.  Just great. ::) :P  So now we have 21 former NFL players sueing the league for damages they allege for subsequent concussion symptoms.  This is egregious - they knew the risks of playing a game like football and no one forced them to choose that career.  I'm sorry, however, I have no sympathy for this kind of "grab bag" for $ and I hope the cases are either thrown out of court and/or they lose.  Apparently, according to the media, they have requested jury trials and I hope that there are decent folk out there who will be serving on those juries (if the cases get that far) that will see this for what it is and do the right thing.  Unless, there is evidence that the team coaches, administrators, athletic training and medical staffs of those NFL teams did something of negligence in the treatment of those players concussions - which I highly doubt is the case and the players would have to prove it unequivically beyond a reasonable doubt AND...if there is such evidence, those players should have addressed this long before now.  However, it has not been reported that they did the latter or that there was any evidence to support that, but rather they are doing this now only because of the recent hype and scrutiny in concussion awareness.  Those aspects are certainly needed, however, those players absolutely bear some personal responsibility for their current situation if they were not honest in reporting (under-reporting) their symptoms when they were playing and/or outright were not truthful about it and just kept playing "the game" at all costs.  Well, they were only slightly right in that it cost them alright, by sacrificing their health in later years if they did that.  This is very sad, however, unfortunately, what our society has become - highly letiginous and all for the sake of $.  Just another reason why I don't like the NFL or professional sports. :P :)  Sorry to ruin some pre-Christmas cheer ("bah, hum bug" ;D ::)), however, this kind of ridiculous "stuff" just upsets me, but...I didn't bring this to the forefront, rather they and the media did by announcing all this today.

The Browns handling or lack thereof of the Colt McCoy hit and the ensuing concussion was so poorly handled and is inexcusable, IMHO. Any hits to the head just require careful measures. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bucaneer45 on December 26, 2011, 03:55:48 PM
Anyone hear who the finalists are for the Alma College Head Football job? The only name I am hearing is Mike Boyd from Nouvel High School.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 26, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
They've had a ton of candidates and are still choosing among the list to decide on some final candidates for interviews.  I do not know who all is on the "in-progress" list other than a couple names who had been in consideration, however, regardless, I am not at liberty to share/divulge that or any other present info anyway.  It is my understanding that their committee purposely decided not to rush through this (or as fast as Olivet did) and are deliberately taking a little more time.  I would expect an announcement sometime shortly after the new year, atlhough if it was even into the 2nd week, that would not surprise me, but as far as I know, no specific date for an announcement has been mentioned.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 27, 2011, 09:19:27 AM
To ad to formerd3db's post:

They have been conducting a lot of phone interviews over the past week or so (well before the holidays, week or so before the holidays). The whole process is being kept really quiet and I personally don't even know who's on the search comittee. It is expected to have candidates on campus within the next few weeks and hopefully there is a decision made.

Like I said, I'll try to update on what I can find. But the doors are being kept pretty tightly shut and I'm not finding out much
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on December 28, 2011, 10:54:31 AM
Hope everyone had a great Christmas, and wishing everyone a very happy and prosperous New Year!

Any rumors on who the Offensive Coordinator will be?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on December 28, 2011, 11:42:54 AM
Dear Coach Thunderhead, Heard rumors that many players transferred out of Trine. More leaving at end of year and they have lost coaches. Do you have anything on this? We are trying to follow Rauch but have heard nothing about him. Any news????? Thanks and Happy New Year!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 28, 2011, 01:11:13 PM
Adidas28 - thanks for the well wishes on the Holiday season, I hope your family as well as all of the posters here and their families had a great Christmas and are headed to a happy new year full of parties and bowl games.

wisd3fan2 - I haven't heard much of anything regarding transfers or guys leaving the program, but I haven't followed the program much since the guys I knew graduated at the season's end. Hope you had a great Christmas as well. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 29, 2011, 02:03:13 PM
So after 2011, how would the MIAA posters evaluate each team vs. pre-season predictions? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 29, 2011, 03:34:49 PM
Raider68:
Good question.  I admit that I have to go back and review what most of the pre-season predictions were here before I gave my answer to your question (while that might sound silly perhaps, in reality it is not because I don't quite remember what my own beliefs were on the various teams. :o ::) ;D

Yet, before I do (and it might not be today), I thought I might mention here a different topic for everyone.  So my apologies for "changing the subject". ;D :)

I just found out early this AM via one of the sports talk shows while driving to work that the "new" AD at DII Ferris State University of the GLIAC (I say "new" because he has only been there about a year) fired long-time head football coach Jeff Pierce.   This apparently happened right after the end of the regular GLIAC season in November.    The AD (who was an assistant AD at Central Michigan back when current ESPN announcer Ray Bentley played there) said that it was "time for a new direction".  Despite Pierce's early success in the early part of his career there in the mid-1990's when Ferris State had that stretch of getting to the NCAA DII playoffs for about 3-4 years in a row (and before Grand Valley State won their DII titles; and the same era as Albion went on that barage/string of consecutive MIAA titles as well as the NCAA Stagg Bowl DIII National championship), the poor season's for the past 2 years and before convinced him that it wa time to "make a change." After a "national search", they ended up hiring Tony Annese, Head Football Coach at Grand Rapids Community College.  Prior to that, Annese' coaching resume includes (after his own playing career at Corunna High School and then at Alma College, where he graduated in 1983), being an assistant over at West Ottawa High School, then head coach at Montrose High School, head coach at Ann Arbor Pioneer High School, head coach at Jenison High School and head coach at Muskegon High School before he took the GRCC job the past 3 years.

Ferris State announced this a couple of days before Christmas.  I obviously missed that - not sure how.  I guess they figured that it was time for Ferris State to get back to challenging Grand Valley State for the GLIAC title because if Wayne State can do it (as did Michigan Tech this decade), they can too.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  Also, I am interested in hearing what everyone thinks about this development/move as well.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 29, 2011, 06:57:24 PM
Annese is a great hire. Spend any amount of time with him on the white board and you figure out fairly quickly he knows his stuff, especially as it relates to his offensive style and approach to play calling.

I'm not sure how bare the "cub-board" is over at Ferris, but it's not hard for me to believe within a few seasons he will have them toward the top end of the GLIAC.  It won't take him long to attract some solid talent in the form of athletes from solid high school programs around the state as well as some dynamic transfers from bigger schools or JUCO programs.

IMO that was a big time hire.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 29, 2011, 08:58:53 PM
ThunderHead:

I agree.  Annese's hiring was kind of kept "under the wire" so to speak.  I don't recall hearing much about Ferris State's search process and, admittedly/embarrassingly, as much as I follow college football, I somehow missed that Ferris State's AD had let Pierce go (Pierce, BTW, for those who are not aware, is a Ferris State alum himself).  But, such is the nature of the business and coaching changes occur even to those alumni coaches.

Indeed, with Annese's experience, record and connections, I do not doubt that Ferris State will be the place to go i.e. many high school players will want to be there.

One other question I have is why Annese took the GRCC job anyway.  I can't imagine he couldn't have landed some other college job if he had wanted to, whether it be DII or DIII and around our region.  No matter now, since Ferris State has pulled a "big time" move. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 29, 2011, 09:21:43 PM
I heard about Annese to Ferris probably sometime in early December, however there was another coach Ferris was interviewing that was also fairly well respected in the West Michigan area so they waited to pull the trigger, though in my opinion, the other coach wasn't near the quality of coach as Annese.

I believe Annese went to GRCC to get his feet wet in the college game and also to help develop some guys that other people had abandoned.  I have tremendous respect for Coach Annese, he's a guy that really goes out of his way for his athletes and the athletes that I know that want to be good really respect the guy.

Some people didn't think Annese could win at the college level and by doing what he did at GRCC he pretty much blew that theory off the hinges. Look for him to make an immediate impact next season, and once he installs his offense with his people, (it may take a few seasons) I think he is well on his way to a GLIAC championship and NC contention. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2011, 10:32:26 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 29, 2011, 02:03:13 PM
So after 2011, how would the MIAA posters evaluate each team vs. pre-season predictions? :)

I admit to being a little disappointed.  A 7-3 record is not bad, and certainly better than what would have been expected a few years ago, but the bar had been raised and 3 in-conference losses is disappointing when you look at where they were a year ago, giving Whitewater a close game.  I probably did not appreciate how much they lost talent-wise coming in to this season.  I am not well connected into the system but based on an additional years experience for the QB, the coaches that remain, the nice facilities, and the quality education that Trine offers, I think they will recruit well and have a better season next year than this past one.

Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and may the coming New Year bring health, wealth, and happiness to all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 30, 2011, 08:11:43 AM
I will be very interested to see how Annese does at Ferris.  It should make things very interesting for the GLIAC in a fairly short time.  Wayne State and Hillsdale have shown there is more to the GLIAC than GVSU and SVSU ... Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan have shown streaks of competitiveness ... and now we will be able to add Ferris back into the mix.

I must say however that I am disappointed Annese won't be at GRCC any longer because he provided football fans with a wide open, exciting brand of football ... lots of offense and a swarming defense.  It made for some great Saturdays in Grand Rapids.

So ... I guess I'll have to check out Bulldog footall next Fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on December 30, 2011, 10:20:01 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 29, 2011, 02:03:13 PM
So after 2011, how would the MIAA posters evaluate each team vs. pre-season predictions? :)

In my opinion the only team that exceeded expectations was Albion, I think most posters had them predicted to finish 2nd or 3rd in the conference and then they went out and swept the conference.

Hope would be the other team that may have exceeded pre-season predictions. I always expect them to play well and give Trine a tough game whenever they play, and they do.

Like Rico said 7-3 for Trine 5 years ago would have been a great season but coming off three straight MIAA championships and a great showing against Whitewater the bar was set very high. I go back to the "beat down" they took against St. Francis in the pre-season scrimmage and looking back I think that really effected the confidence of a young team and took some of their swaggar away. It will be interesting to see who they hire for the OC position. Do they keep a similar system, or change it up?

Adrian surprised me - I thought they would be the team to beat the way they looked against Trine. In a way it wasn;t much different then previous years, always right there with the chance to win the conference but can't win the big game.

Alma, Olivet, Kzoo - not a whole lot to talk about. Do coaching changes help Alma and Olivet? Probably. It depends on how quick the attitude and atmosphere can be changed. It sounds like they are tow very tough place to recruit to. Kzoo - I expected more this year, seemed liek the same old Kzoo team though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 30, 2011, 10:36:59 AM
adidas28,

Great post, thanks +k! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 30, 2011, 11:04:52 PM
One more comment regarding Annese.  He being a former player and graduate of Alma College, I wonder if he applied and/or was on their list of candidates for that head coaching position?  Just curious.

Also, in perusing the Ferris State University football website, it was very interesting to me to review the attendance stats from all their games, including their away games in the DII GLIAC.  Quite surprisingly, but also quite pleasingly, it was interesting to see that Hope College had better attendance than many of those DII games.  While most of Hope's games at home were well above the 3000+ mark in attendance, most of Ferris States's games were in the mid or low 2000 range or even less for some of the away games, such as at Fiindlay, Tiffin, Lake Erie.  The two exceptions were the away games at Grand Valley State and Saginaw Valley State which were +8000 and about 9,700+ respective, although those two figures are not surprising considering the two opponents.  Thus, overall, it is good to see that many of the DIII schools attendance is just as good, if not better than scholarship DII schools at times.  So that is not bad. :)

Ditto Raider68 for adidas.  Also for UR and DBQ. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 31, 2011, 02:07:56 AM
formerd3db,

Interesting information on the stats regrading attendance - nice job.

Regarding Annese, I don't think he considered Alma, and I'm not sure he applied for the position. (if he did, and Alma didn't pull the trigger on him immediately then they need their heads checked.  ;) ) From what I know I think Tony wanted a school with scholarship money to offer this time around. He won at GRCC and I believe was looking for a step-up in that regard. And by that I mean, as to what he could offer a potential student athlete in the form of compensation to play ball. (GRCC = no ability to offer money much like D3 football)

As a coach, that's a nice thing to be able to offer potential athletes IMO. I know some think that corrupts the game, but that's already been hashed out here on more then one occasion.  ;D

Happy New Year's to you guys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2011, 08:41:08 AM
Thanks ThunderHead.  I did think it was some interesting information and, as I mentioned, it was somewhat surprising to me.

I think you are right about Annese.  He probably wanted that level.  At the same time, I hope he stays at Ferris State for awhile and doesn't pull the "Nomad" act that some coaches have such as Saban and Kelly.  Annese has moved around quite a bit in his career in the high school ranks.  But again, I agree that it was a good hire for Ferris State based on his success.  As has been discussed by others here on this board in the past, it is tough for coaches to make a transition from the high school ranks to college (regardless of what level DI, DII or DIII).  However, as you and DBQ1965 have pointed out, Annese basically has preliminary experience in college coaching since he has been at the helm of GRCC's program the last 3 years.  GRCC has been a good JUCO football program for decades and, in some years long ago in the past when games with them actually counted in the standings, they have given some of the DIII schools a very good tough game and also have for scrimmages in recent years, such as at Albion.  It will be interesting to see who GRCC tabs as Annese's replacement there.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 31, 2011, 09:25:47 AM
To all the MIAA posters, have a Happy and Healthy New Year, looking forward to 2012! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2011, 09:32:24 AM
Thanks Raider68 and same to you and yours!  Indeed, I, too, am looking forward to 2012 here with you and all our friends.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 31, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
Yes indeed same from me! Hope everyone has a fun night tonight!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on December 31, 2011, 02:54:52 PM
formerd3db,

This is just my opinion, but after watching a few GRCC games this year on tape, I don't think any MIAA team would have beat them. They were every bit a power with a fantastic passing game, and a very good defense.

IMO GRCC was on par with California level JUCO ball, which is normally on par with most D2 programs. They had all kinds of athletes at GRCC this year, and more then a few D1 level guys. It was pretty impressive to see what TA had put together in a few short years. 

Best of luck to everyone as they have some fun tonight.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2011, 04:50:20 PM
ThunderHead:

Obviously, I didn't see GRCC play this year so I don't doubt you.  DBQ1965 would probably agree with you also.  We all know that the caliber of MIAA talent/play of recent has not been superb - some of the best Class A high school teams could have beaten some of them last year or this, IMO, I'm sad to say.  However, in past years, overall, some of the MIAA teams without a doubt would have pounded GRCC and high school teams.  Without question, things change over time, but it is also cyclic.  The MIAA is in one of those down periods as we've discuss; that might continue for a long time for various reasons, however, I obviously hope not. ;)

Yes, have a save and Happy New Year's Eve and the same to all our friends here!

P.S.  Good to hear from you sflzman; you've been "hiding for awhile"!  Glad to see you have the "A" logo back on,too :)!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2012, 05:25:10 PM
What an incredible game at Lambeau Field today (at least for those who like plenty of offense)!

Back-up Packer QB Matt Flynn set all-time Green Bay records for both yards (480) and TDs (6).  Matthew Stafford set all-time Lions' records with 520 yards and 5 TDs.  Together they shattered the NFL record for passing yards in a game (not sure yet if they also broke the record for passing TDs).  Alas, the Lions failed to gain the 5th seed (they'd be favored over either the Giants or Cowboys), and will be heavy underdogs at New Orleans (I'm assuming Atlanta will not fold against the hapless Bucs - they lead 42-7 at the half).

I really thought Stafford was gonna pull out yet another comeback (he'd already brought them back with a TD at 2:39 to go, but that left too much time on the clock and GB took only 1:19 to get the go ahead TD).  Down 4 points with 70 seconds to go, he completed passes of 11, 11, and 20 yards (the first and third of them as laser-perfect into tight coverage as a pass can be).  Alas, he tried one too many passes into heavy coverage and was intercepted with 25 seconds to go.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 01, 2012, 06:32:46 PM
Not hiding, just quieter  ;)

I've made a few posts on the basketball board, but winter in general is usually busier for me so I'm not online as much....I also got hit by the flu early last week and its still trying to completely fight its way out of my body.

Anyways, hope everyone had a good holidays, back to buisness as usual on Wednesday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 01, 2012, 08:48:54 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
Yes, it was.  Unfortunately, Detroit had their opportunities to win it. They should have scored either of those two times they were down in the red zone in first half (and notwithstanding the actual TD that was called a "out-of-bounds" and not allowed a review because Detroit had used its allotment of reviews - an NFL rule which I do not agree with ;D).  Also, Detroit's defensive backs did not play very well today - there is no excuse for letting receivers get behind you on long pass patterns period; so, IMO, that contributed to the loss as well.

As far as the Denver game and the "Tebow Trashers", although his numbers were not good today, Denver's receiving corps played terrible.  They ran poor routes and couldn't get open at all, especially at the end of the game and the dropped passes were inexcusable - the latter of which contributed to Tebow's poor passing stats. If you review the plays, he was throwing right where he should be and those passes were right on, just as Stafford's were for Detroit today.  The difference is that Detroit's receivers made fantastic catches and one's they should as pro's anyway.  Not so for Denver's receivers today, unfortunately.


sflzman:
Hope you are feeling better.  The flu (or a cold) is never fun.  I'm just getting over a nasty cold that I had for over a week and somewhat made Christmas weekend miserable for me, only in that regard. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2012, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 01, 2012, 08:48:54 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
Yes, it was.  Unfortunately, Detroit had their opportunities to win it. They should have scored either of those two times they were down in the red zone in first half (and notwithstanding the actual TD that was called a "out-of-bounds" and not allowed a review because Detroit had used its allotment of reviews - an NFL rule which I do not agree with ;D).  Also, Detroit's defensive backs did not play very well today - there is no excuse for letting receivers get behind you on long pass patterns period; so, IMO, that contributed to the loss as well.

As far as the Denver game and the "Tebow Trashers", although his numbers were not good today, Denver's receiving corps played terrible.  They ran poor routes and couldn't get open at all, especially at the end of the game and the dropped passes were inexcusable - the latter of which contributed to Tebow's poor passing stats. If you review the plays, he was throwing right where he should be and those passes were right on, just as Stafford's were for Detroit today.  The difference is that Detroit's receivers made fantastic catches and one's they should as pro's anyway.  Not so for Denver's receivers today, unfortunately.


sflzman:
Hope you are feeling better.  The flu (or a cold) is never fun.  I'm just getting over a nasty cold that I had for over a week and somewhat made Christmas weekend miserable for me, only in that regard. :)

Yeah, the 'coach's reviews' policy is a bad joke.  Schwartz has had calls overruled 6 out of 8 tries (and, IMO, should have gone to 7 of 8 with the alleged fumble, despite the heavy emphasis on NOT changing the field ruling), but he's not allowed to challenge bad officiating?!  The announcers were right in that the technology should not even require a challenge - the 'upstairs' official should be able to handle review for EVERY play that is at all controversial.  VERY questionable officiating is the difference between being favored to get to the second round and a real uphill battle.  Oh well, one step at a time - they DID make the playoffs (and have a chance at advancing. :D

The NFL is insidious.  Three years ago I finally weaned myself of giving a s**t about the Lions (I ONLY cared about d3 players and former Wolverines, when I cared at all) - now here I am! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 01, 2012, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2012, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 01, 2012, 08:48:54 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
Yes, it was.  Unfortunately, Detroit had their opportunities to win it. They should have scored either of those two times they were down in the red zone in first half (and notwithstanding the actual TD that was called a "out-of-bounds" and not allowed a review because Detroit had used its allotment of reviews - an NFL rule which I do not agree with ;D).  Also, Detroit's defensive backs did not play very well today - there is no excuse for letting receivers get behind you on long pass patterns period; so, IMO, that contributed to the loss as well.

As far as the Denver game and the "Tebow Trashers", although his numbers were not good today, Denver's receiving corps played terrible.  They ran poor routes and couldn't get open at all, especially at the end of the game and the dropped passes were inexcusable - the latter of which contributed to Tebow's poor passing stats. If you review the plays, he was throwing right where he should be and those passes were right on, just as Stafford's were for Detroit today.  The difference is that Detroit's receivers made fantastic catches and one's they should as pro's anyway.  Not so for Denver's receivers today, unfortunately.


sflzman:
Hope you are feeling better.  The flu (or a cold) is never fun.  I'm just getting over a nasty cold that I had for over a week and somewhat made Christmas weekend miserable for me, only in that regard. :)

Yeah, the 'coach's reviews' policy is a bad joke.  Schwartz has had calls overruled 6 out of 8 tries (and, IMO, should have gone to 7 of 8 with the alleged fumble, despite the heavy emphasis on NOT changing the field ruling), but he's not allowed to challenge bad officiating?!  The announcers were right in that the technology should not even require a challenge - the 'upstairs' official should be able to handle review for EVERY play that is at all controversial.  VERY questionable officiating is the difference between being favored to get to the second round and a real uphill battle.  Oh well, one step at a time - they DID make the playoffs (and have a chance at advancing. :D

The NFL is insidious.  Three years ago I finally weaned myself of giving a s**t about the Lions (I ONLY cared about d3 players and former Wolverines, when I cared at all) - now here I am! :P

The Saints are my pick to come out of the NFC. I don't think the lions have a chance to stop Drew Brees. Honestly I don't think anyone does.

Meanwhile while you Michiganders were watching the Lions, Jared Allen set the Vikings single-season sack record, and came up .5 sack short of Michael Strahan's NFL record.

I didn't get to see that one though since I was watching one of the worst basketball games I've ever seen. I'm a Gophers fan (you know my history of that) and that game at Michigan should have been a Minnesota "W". First of all, BOTH teams played awful. But Minnesota missed so many layups it wasn't even funny. Their point guard Julian Welch also had a chance to hit a wide open 3 in transition (would have cut the lead to 1, he then hit 3's in the net two possesions) but missed with nobody within 10 feet of him. And then don't get me started on tournovers

Michigan on the other hand had as many tournovers, a ton of missed free throws, and Tim Hardaway Jr. hit 2 shots all game. Novak and Hardaway didn't do anything. That freshman, Burke, has a good future as a Wolverine that's for sure....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2012, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 01, 2012, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2012, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 01, 2012, 08:48:54 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
Yes, it was.  Unfortunately, Detroit had their opportunities to win it. They should have scored either of those two times they were down in the red zone in first half (and notwithstanding the actual TD that was called a "out-of-bounds" and not allowed a review because Detroit had used its allotment of reviews - an NFL rule which I do not agree with ;D).  Also, Detroit's defensive backs did not play very well today - there is no excuse for letting receivers get behind you on long pass patterns period; so, IMO, that contributed to the loss as well.

As far as the Denver game and the "Tebow Trashers", although his numbers were not good today, Denver's receiving corps played terrible.  They ran poor routes and couldn't get open at all, especially at the end of the game and the dropped passes were inexcusable - the latter of which contributed to Tebow's poor passing stats. If you review the plays, he was throwing right where he should be and those passes were right on, just as Stafford's were for Detroit today.  The difference is that Detroit's receivers made fantastic catches and one's they should as pro's anyway.  Not so for Denver's receivers today, unfortunately.


sflzman:
Hope you are feeling better.  The flu (or a cold) is never fun.  I'm just getting over a nasty cold that I had for over a week and somewhat made Christmas weekend miserable for me, only in that regard. :)

Yeah, the 'coach's reviews' policy is a bad joke.  Schwartz has had calls overruled 6 out of 8 tries (and, IMO, should have gone to 7 of 8 with the alleged fumble, despite the heavy emphasis on NOT changing the field ruling), but he's not allowed to challenge bad officiating?!  The announcers were right in that the technology should not even require a challenge - the 'upstairs' official should be able to handle review for EVERY play that is at all controversial.  VERY questionable officiating is the difference between being favored to get to the second round and a real uphill battle.  Oh well, one step at a time - they DID make the playoffs (and have a chance at advancing. :D

The NFL is insidious.  Three years ago I finally weaned myself of giving a s**t about the Lions (I ONLY cared about d3 players and former Wolverines, when I cared at all) - now here I am! :P

The Saints are my pick to come out of the NFC. I don't think the lions have a chance to stop Drew Brees. Honestly I don't think anyone does.

Meanwhile while you Michiganders were watching the Lions, Jared Allen set the Vikings single-season sack record, and came up .5 sack short of Michael Strahan's NFL record.

I didn't get to see that one though since I was watching one of the worst basketball games I've ever seen. I'm a Gophers fan (you know my history of that) and that game at Michigan should have been a Minnesota "W". First of all, BOTH teams played awful. But Minnesota missed so many layups it wasn't even funny. Their point guard Julian Welch also had a chance to hit a wide open 3 in transition (would have cut the lead to 1, he then hit 3's in the net two possesions) but missed with nobody within 10 feet of him. And then don't get me started on tournovers

Michigan on the other hand had as many tournovers, a ton of missed free throws, and Tim Hardaway Jr. hit 2 shots all game. Novak and Hardaway didn't do anything. That freshman, Burke, has a good future as a Wolverine that's for sure....

I won't necessarily disagree with this (I think the Saints have an excellent chance at the Super Bowl), but, to reverse the question, can the Saints stop Matthew Stafford (520 yards, 5 TDs tonite), AND whoever they face in round two, AND (presumably) Aaron Rodgers?!

I think the NFC is WIDE open, with GB, NO, SF, and even Atlanta and Detroit quite possible (and, who knows, maybe even the Giants - now up 21-0 [scratch that - 21-7 :P] midway thru the third).  I'll guess at a Packers/Saints final, but NO final would surprise me. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 02, 2012, 11:01:39 PM
Not to mention the game at New Orleans the Lions completely imploded with 11 penalties for 107 yards and stupid play.  A couple of those penalties were massively game changing stupidity.  Hopefully they'll be smarter this time around.   They actually outgained the Saints that night despite the penalty yardage difference and had the ball 35 minutes to 25.


I think they can stay with the Saints for awhile anyway.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 03, 2012, 01:52:38 AM
Quote from: sflzman on January 01, 2012, 09:36:41 PM





I didn't get to see that one though since I was watching one of the worst basketball games I've ever seen. I'm a Gophers fan (you know my history of that) and that game at Michigan should have been a Minnesota "W". First of all, BOTH teams played awful. But Minnesota missed so many layups it wasn't even funny. Their point guard Julian Welch also had a chance to hit a wide open 3 in transition (would have cut the lead to 1, he then hit 3's in the net two possesions) but missed with nobody within 10 feet of him. And then don't get me started on tournovers

Michigan on the other hand had as many tournovers, a ton of missed free throws, and Tim Hardaway Jr. hit 2 shots all game. Novak and Hardaway didn't do anything. That freshman, Burke, has a good future as a Wolverine that's for sure....

I was actually at this game and I never had the feeling Minnesota should have won, and neither did the 3 Minnesota fans behind me.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 03, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
From FootballScoop.com....

Alma College (DIII – MI): We hear that Alma is down to their final three candidates for the head coaching position. They include; Michigan Center head coach / athletic director Greg Psconda, Romeo HS (MI) head coach and Alma alum Jason Couch, and Northwood (DII – MI) offensive coordinator Tyson Silveus.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 03, 2012, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 03, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
From FootballScoop.com....

Alma College (DIII – MI): We hear that Alma is down to their final three candidates for the head coaching position. They include; Michigan Center head coach / athletic director Greg Psconda, Romeo HS (MI) head coach and Alma alum Jason Couch, and Northwood (DII – MI) offensive coordinator Tyson Silveus.



AlmaFan27,

Welcome to the MIAA board! Sflzman has a fellow Alma supporter! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 03, 2012, 08:45:59 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 03, 2012, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 03, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
From FootballScoop.com....

Alma College (DIII – MI): We hear that Alma is down to their final three candidates for the head coaching position. They include; Michigan Center head coach / athletic director Greg Psconda, Romeo HS (MI) head coach and Alma alum Jason Couch, and Northwood (DII – MI) offensive coordinator Tyson Silveus.



AlmaFan27,

Welcome to the MIAA board! Sflzman has a fellow Alma supporter! :)

Welcome from me as well! It's nice to have more Scots around here.

About the top 3,

This is more than my sources knew. They've kept the hiring process and everything pretty removed from the Athletic Department, and all I was able to find out was that the three finalists were coming in today, tomorrow, and Thursday.

Couch doesn't surprise me. Silveous would be a decent hire, that would probably mean Leister isn't calling plays anymore, and I have no idea at all about the guy from Michigan Center. What is Michigan Center anyways?? ???  ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 03, 2012, 09:36:30 PM
I've been lurking for a little while and thought I would chime in.  Thanks for the welcome.

I don't know anything about the candidates except for a little research on Couch once I saw his name.  Looks like the Romeo program has been pretty strong for the past several years.  Makes sense that they are looking at some high school coaches, as I hear that a  "handshake" deal might be in place for the rest of the staff to stay on for at least a year.  I have to think it's a big step to go from high school to head coach, even at the D3 level.

I also have no idea who Michigan Center is.  Don't know much about the Northwood OC either.  With Leister stepping down...can't imagine he'd be calling plays regardless of who the hire is...right?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 03, 2012, 10:07:59 PM
Michigan Center is a little burg east of Jackson, Leoni Township I think. 

Class C athletics.


Weird but I went to HS with a couple Psconda's.  ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 03, 2012, 10:15:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 03, 2012, 10:07:59 PM
Michigan Center is a little burg east of Jackson, Leoni Township I think. 

Class C athletics.


Weird but I went to HS with a couple Psconda's.  ???

I actually just realized that a couple buddys of mine live in grass lake which is right next to it. Seeing as grass lake is d6 for football would probably mean class c. So same coference?

I guess I didn't even realize Michigan center was a high school. I was thinking it was a juco or something before this last post...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 04, 2012, 12:53:13 AM
Michigan Center is the actual name of the town.  It lies at the intersection of one of the first attempts to survey the State (maybe territory at that time),  hence the 'center' even though it is nowhere near the geographical center of Michigan. 

They play in the Cascades Conference with Grass Lake, Addison, East Jackson, Hanover-Horton, Manchester, Napoleon and Vandercook Lake
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on January 04, 2012, 12:31:33 PM
Michigan Center is a Class C high school in Jackson, MI.  If I remember correctly, Coach Pascoda coached in some capacity before Michigan Center at Defiance College in Ohio. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bucaneer45 on January 04, 2012, 02:19:13 PM
Greg Poscodna played at Adrian, coached at Albion (as DC), Defiance (Head Football) GVSU (LB's) and Michigan Center (AD, HFC). Won National Championships at Albion and GVSU as an asst. Took Defiance and Michigan Center as Head Coach to the playoffs for the first time in school history. Veteran college coach who is very familiar with winning and the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on January 04, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
Heard word that the MIAA and Albion will be represented this year at the East-West Shrine game.  Albion CB Chris Greenwood has been invited to play in the game.  Congrats to Chris on this honor as well as the others he received this year.  Will be good to see how he does with the plays given to him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on January 04, 2012, 03:16:30 PM
Chris will be sorely missed next fall.  He did an outstanding job at Albion these last few years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 04, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
John Lewis (current Alma DC) spent some time at Defiance as an assistant.  I wonder if he was there when Poscodna was the HC?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on January 04, 2012, 04:11:02 PM
Though way after my time,  :o, a number of the Defiance reps over on the HCAC board played under Greg, and would guess that SaintsFan probably played against his teams as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 04, 2012, 04:49:39 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 04, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
John Lewis (current Alma DC) spent some time at Defiance as an assistant.  I wonder if he was there when Poscodna was the HC?

Lewis coached at Defiance from 2003-05 according to the Alma Athletics page. I have no idea when Poscodna was there....

Quote
after a two-year stint at Defiance College as offensive coordinator and assistant baseball coach from July 2003-July 2005.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 04, 2012, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 04, 2012, 04:49:39 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 04, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
John Lewis (current Alma DC) spent some time at Defiance as an assistant.  I wonder if he was there when Poscodna was the HC?

Lewis coached at Defiance from 2003-05 according to the Alma Athletics page. I have no idea when Poscodna was there....

Quote
after a two-year stint at Defiance College as offensive coordinator and assistant baseball coach from July 2003-July 2005.


Sounds like their paths didn't cross.  By 2003 it looks like Poscodna had joined the GVSU staff.

Sflzman, any opinion on who you think might be the best choice?  It sounds like Couch could be a unique option, especially with his ties to Alma and his success at the high school level.  Can a high school coach be successful moving right into a HC role in college?  Will any new coach that is brought in, have the ability to make decisions on staff, players, etc?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 04, 2012, 08:42:42 PM
Played 4 years for Pscodna. Great coach and great guy. I would be surprised if he was going for it but maybe he is tired of high school.  I don't remember if he hired Lewis right before he left DC or if that happened right after he left.  Was the DC at Albion for the dominate yrs at Albion until he went to DC
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 04, 2012, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 04, 2012, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 04, 2012, 04:49:39 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 04, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
John Lewis (current Alma DC) spent some time at Defiance as an assistant.  I wonder if he was there when Poscodna was the HC?

Lewis coached at Defiance from 2003-05 according to the Alma Athletics page. I have no idea when Poscodna was there....

Quote
after a two-year stint at Defiance College as offensive coordinator and assistant baseball coach from July 2003-July 2005.


Sounds like their paths didn't cross.  By 2003 it looks like Poscodna had joined the GVSU staff.

Sflzman, any opinion on who you think might be the best choice?  It sounds like Couch could be a unique option, especially with his ties to Alma and his success at the high school level.  Can a high school coach be successful moving right into a HC role in college?  Will any new coach that is brought in, have the ability to make decisions on staff, players, etc?

Personally I like Poscodna. Now I've never met any of these guys, but based on his resume I think he'd be a good one.

Couch doesn't really interest me that much, I'm not a big fan of the high school to college jump.

Silveus is an interesting one to me. I don't really know much about him though....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 04, 2012, 10:29:29 PM
I have been monitoring the events of Alma's coaching search and the information I have heard leads me to believe that Couch will most likely be the choice if the information is accurate. He is familiar with the staff or some of it anyway and knows the Cole traditions.

I personally think Poscodna is probably the best choice as well. Seems he has a nice resume and most of it is local. The fact that he was an assistant at GVSU (My Alma Matter) is a bonus to me. Ha ha

Silveus to me is a wild card and I mean that in different ways...he was DC at Northwood for two years and OC for two years so good experience on both sides of the ball. My concern is he has been all over the place and there are really no ties to the MIAA.

Alma definitely underachieved this year as a team, but they do bring back a lot of weapons and have some new ones waiting in the wings. It will be an interesting year in Scot Land. I have a vested interest in the new coach and I wish whoever it is, great success. GO SCOTS!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 04, 2012, 10:38:24 PM
I would also like to welcome AlmaFan27 to the board.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 04, 2012, 10:57:51 PM
Acmiaad3:

I'm not sure how long you've been involved with the program, but before this and last year when we've had the pre season scrimmage against North Park we played at northwood. I was usually impressed at how fast that team played.

That last year we played them Offensively they ran more towards a triple option but out of the spread (similar to Washington and lees this year I'm not sure if u watched that game or not) and defensively they had a confusing scheme that had the great combos of mackenzie mcgrady and jeremy stephens/andrew schaar looking like nothing.

Granted this was at d2 with the scholarships, which is the flipside to silveus. It will be interesting to see how he could recruit at d3 after being in d2...

If you're hearing couch I'm kind of dissapointed. He is really my last voice of the three. There's still one more candidate coming in tomorrow (maybe  Poscodna? I'm not 100 percent sure on that one though) so we'll see how they like him in person. Hopefully there will be an announcement early next week. This team, no matter who's coaching, needs to start recruiting actually knowing who's going to be on next years staff...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 05, 2012, 03:09:22 AM
Sflzman:

I have been around the program for four years and my "vested interest" will be a Junior (2 year recruitment). Yes I was at the Washington Lee game and I was not aware that Alma use to scrimmage Northwood. I am like you I like Poscodna's resume the best,  but like I said I see them leaning towards Couch. There is an interesting post from an Alma Alumni on the MLIVE site and he makes a strong pitch for Couch. But I think that Leister will get it right and the program will thrive you gotta remember it's been along time since they looked for a HC. : ) Go Scots!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 05, 2012, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on January 04, 2012, 10:38:24 PM
I would also like to welcome AlmaFan27 to the board.  8-)

Thanks AC!  I too have a vested interest.  A senior 'to be' this coming season and a senior in high school trying to make a school decision.  It was a tough year to watch Alma football last year.  I'm biased....but also believe they were a much better team than their record indicated.

It's my hope that they do the best possible job they can in determining who the next HC will be.  There are a lot of areas where improvement is necessary, but I think that recruiting truly represents a real opportunity for attention.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on January 05, 2012, 09:33:44 AM
Poscodna has done a nice job at Michigan Center.  Took a few years, but has things going in the right direction at MC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 05, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
Alma has scrimmaged Northwood several times in the last decade and a half.  IMO, that was always a good move on Cole's/Leister's/Lewis' part because playing the next tier of overall talent made Alma prepared for the MIAA season.  You could tell that Northwood's players (i.e. at that DII level) were at times just a step faster than Alma's - those were always fast paced scrimmages.  However, Alma held their own with them on several occasions.

Anyway, I am too close to the "Alma situation" to post my personal opinion/comments here regarding the apparent final candidates mentioned, so I will refrain from doing so.  The only thing I will mention is that I also agree with the others that it is a tough act to go from high school to college coaching, even at the DIII level; it is always easier to start out as a DIII assistant and work one's way up from there.  However, that is not to say it can't be done, yet, again, it is not as easy as some might suggest/think.

All that said, I'm sure their selection committee will choose the right person for the right fit for the program.  It will be interesting to see what that final decision is. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 06, 2012, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 05, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
Alma has scrimmaged Northwood several times in the last decade and a half.  IMO, that was always a good move on Cole's/Leister's/Lewis' part because playing the next tier of overall talent made Alma prepared for the MIAA season.  You could tell that Northwood's players (i.e. at that DII level) were at times just a step faster than Alma's - those were always fast paced scrimmages.  However, Alma held their own with them on several occasions.

Anyway, I am too close to the "Alma situation" to post my personal opinion/comments here regarding the apparent final candidates mentioned, so I will refrain from doing so.  The only thing I will mention is that I also agree with the others that it is a tough act to go from high school to college coaching, even at the DIII level; it is always easier to start out as a DIII assistant and work one's way up from there.  However, that is not to say it can't be done, yet, again, it is not as easy as some might suggest/think.

All that said, I'm sure their selection committee will choose the right person for the right fit for the program.  It will be interesting to see what that final decision is. 

formerd3db,

Having a HC in place as soon as possible in January is a must for recruiting as well as filling other coaching slots. Maybe an annoucement is forthcoming! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 06, 2012, 02:49:27 PM
Indeed, that is true, even at the DIII level, contrary to what some people think.  Anyway, I suspect they (Alma) will make an announcement early next week.  Even Penn State is succumbing to that "ideal deadline" which is necessary (or at least what is to give them the most potential advantage).   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 06, 2012, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 06, 2012, 02:49:27 PM
Indeed, that is true, even at the DIII level, contrary to what some people think.  Anyway, I suspect they (Alma) will make an announcement early next week.  Even Penn State is succumbing to that "ideal deadline" which is necessary (or at least what is to give them the most potential advantage).   

formerd3db,

Penn State is fortuate that anyone is interested, IMHO, we'll see! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 06, 2012, 03:49:03 PM
Raider68:
I agree with you.  That entire Penn State situation is still a mess.  From reports this week, it doesn't even appear that the interim AD, President and Board are even handling it the right way i.e. in regards to how they respond to their donors, other alumni, etc.  Bradley, the interim HC, is obviously doing his duty, being loyal in fulfilling his contract to the end (whenever that will be for him :o) by continuing recruiting.  I suspect all the other assistants will be let go as well (including Albion College grad/former Maryland HC, former Northwestern DC, former Colorado/Bowling Green assistant Ron Vanderlinden), although it will be interesting to see if Paterno's son Jay is kept on as an assistant by the new head coach.  Anyway, the annual NCAA coaches convention is this month and, as always, there will be many assistant coaches trying to make deals there for new jobs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 06, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on January 06, 2012, 05:53:16 PM
Olivet College (DIII - MI): Former Grand Rapids Catholic Central head coach Tim Rogers has been named the new defensive coordinator at Olivet
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 07, 2012, 09:12:13 AM
I think Penn State's hire will be the Nittany Lion's version of the Michigan - Rodriguez fiasco ... it won't last.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2012, 10:10:51 AM
Quote from: rome on January 06, 2012, 05:53:16 PM
Olivet College (DIII - MI): Former Grand Rapids Catholic Central head coach Tim Rogers has been named the new defensive coordinator at Olivet

Interesting.  He certainly has come full circle; Kalamazoo, to Cornell (Ivy League), DePauw, GRCC and now back to the MIAA with Olivet.  Although he's had some controversies at each stop, hopefully, this he will be able to help Olivet.  Olivet's new HC Pfifer is assembling his staff - this is 3 new coaches now.  I wonder how many from the previous staff will be retained (with regard to those who are in full-time positions at the college in additon to their coaching duties).  I'm sure we'll find out soon. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on January 07, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't WILL match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.

Fixed it for you sac.  ;) In all seriousness MSU is committed to football success and is finally shelling out the $$$ to make that happen. Look for Duzzi to stay Green, and make some too.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2012, 11:48:11 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on January 07, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't WILL match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.

Fixed it for you sac.  ;) In all seriousness MSU is committed to football success and is finally shelling out the $$$ to make that happen. Look for Duzzi to stay Green, and make some too.  ;D

Should we UM fans go like St John's fans who spell St. Thomas U$T?  From now on it is M$U! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 08, 2012, 12:05:33 AM
Quote from: ThunderHead on January 07, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't WILL match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.

Fixed it for you sac.  ;) In all seriousness MSU is committed to football success and is finally shelling out the $$$ to make that happen. Look for Duzzi to stay Green, and make some too.  ;D

He's not getting paid the 1.5 million it was rumored TAM was offering which is just insane on top of insane.  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on January 08, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2012, 11:48:11 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on January 07, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
I suspect a couple of those PSU coaches will join Pitt's new staff.  Paul Chryst has taken a couple more Wisconsin coaches with him to Pitt, so Bielema has some vacancies to fill as well.

Also a strange rumor that Pat Narduzzi is being offered huge money to go down to Texas A&M.  Money that Michigan State probably can't WILL match.


It would seem like it would be pretty easy for Tom Bradley to land on his feet somewhere is he's not retained at Penn State.

Fixed it for you sac.  ;) In all seriousness MSU is committed to football success and is finally shelling out the $$$ to make that happen. Look for Duzzi to stay Green, and make some too.  ;D

Should we UM fans go like St John's fans who spell St. Thomas U$T?  From now on it is M$U! ;D
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Common now Mr. Ypsi - you know darn well that what you're paying your assistants at U of M doesn't give you any room to talk.  ;D

And I don't know the details of Duzzi's offer, however I do know that it is "sufficient" and the entire staff will be getting fairly significant pay increases as well. It also makes sense for Duzzi to come back into a defense that should be top-notch (even with Worthy leaving early) as he is working toward a HC job of his own. (sustained success versus starting over at A&M) Although I get the fact that 1.5M is more money then a lot of head coaches make, there is nothing like running your own show.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2012, 08:52:58 PM
Don't know about the other UM assistants, but I have seen that Greg Mattison is paid nearly twice what Bo ever got!  Sports salaries are going totally insane - but I guess if you wanna keep up with the Joneses (read: SEC) ... :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2012, 09:16:21 PM
Thunderhead:
I'll jump in here to the discussion, if I may. I'm sorry, but IMO, no assistant coach is worth that kind of $ (I'm assuming that you are agreeing with me/the others. ;D :)).  Not when people who work their arses off all their lives, have far more responsibilities and risks/liabilities and make a fraction of that ever.  So I have to agree with sac and Mr. Ypsi - that is insane and, unfortunately, that is a corruption that many of the DI schools have created. Yeah, I know, you are going to say that..."that is just the system", however, while that is true, no one can argue that it is absurd in the true realm of what is most important in life.  As much as you and I love football and have been coaches, I can't but think that deep down you also agree that for some assistant coach to be making that kind of $, when professors are being paid a "measley" 60k, is just not right.  But...as you and I know, that is just the way it is and no one is going to change it.  And, of course, the other side to that arguement is the comparision to Wall Street and all the greedy CEO's making millions - yeah, it's the system, it's unfair and doesn't make it right, but...that's just the way it is. ;)   

A friend of mine, whose brother has been a DI assistant coach for 22+ years, was at a Big Ten school (I won't mention which one other than to say it was not either of those in our state here); he was making about $66,000 per year and was offered 3 times that per year at a then (hint, hint) Big 12 school. He did not want to leave the Big Ten school he was at, however, the HC there told him that while he didn't want him to leave either, he would be crazy if he didn't.  He took the opportunity, made the $ and then they (the staff) were fired after about 4 years, so I can't blame him for taking the opportunity.  However, that is far different than someone getting 1.5 million per year to be a coordinator.  As has been said, that is insane, but it's not going to stop.  Anyway, that's my opinion :D ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on January 08, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 08, 2012, 09:16:21 PM
Thunderhead:
I'll jump in here to the discussion, if I may. I'm sorry, but IMO, no assistant coach is worth that kind of $ (I'm assuming that you are agreeing with me/the others. ;D :)).  Not when people who work their arses off all their lives, have far more responsibilities and risks/liabilities and make a fraction of that ever.  So I have to agree with sac and Mr. Ypsi - that is insane and, unfortunately, that is a corruption that many of the DI schools have created. Yeah, I know, you are going to say that..."that is just the system", however, while that is true, no one can argue that it is absurd in the true realm of what is most important in life.  As much as you and I love football and have been coaches, I can't but think that deep down you also agree that for some assistant coach to be making that kind of $, when professors are being paid a "measley" 60k, is just not right.  But...as you and I know, that is just the way it is and no one is going to change it.  And, of course, the other side to that arguement is the comparision to Wall Street and all the greedy CEO's making millions - yeah, it's the system, it's unfair and doesn't make it right, but...that's just the way it is. ;)   

A friend of mine, whose brother has been a DI assistant coach for 22+ years, was at a Big Ten school (I won't mention which one other than to say it was not either of those in our state here); he was making about $66,000 per year and was offered 3 times that per year at a then (hint, hint) Big 12 school. He did not want to leave the Big Ten school he was at, however, the HC there told him that while he didn't want him to leave either, he would be crazy if he didn't.  He took the opportunity, made the $ and then they (the staff) were fired after about 4 years, so I can't blame him for taking the opportunity.  However, that is far different than someone getting 1.5 million per year to be a coordinator.  As has been said, that is insane, but it's not going to stop.  Anyway, that's my opinion :D ;D :)

Is your argument or disapproval of salary an issue you have with the coaches, administration, or fans? (for buying the stuff, spending the money at the games, and watching it on TV, supporting the TV revenue)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2012, 12:02:42 AM
TH, I won't presume to speak for formerd3db, but in my case it is (admittedly!) partially sheer envy, but also lamenting how much unfettered 'free enterprise' has skewed value.  I find it distasteful that coaches (and pro athletes and entertainers) make 10-100 times as much as cops, firefighters, teachers, etc.  (Though at least they entertain; some of the folks who crashed the whole friggin' economy make 1,000 times as much as cops, etc., and 10,000 times as much as now laid-off cops, etc. >:()
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on January 09, 2012, 01:32:10 AM
I think the thing people overlook when talking about coaching salaries (or player salaries in the pros), is that it has little to nothing to do with what's fair or just. In fact, I'm not sure if I've ever heard the beneficiary of this money arguing that it was so, (other than in relative terms compared to other players, coaches, but not the system as a whole). However, it doesn't matter, coaches will be played what the market can bare. Universities want to get bigger, have more money, do more. They do that by increasing applications, allowing them to be bigger, or my highly selective, or both. One of the chief ways universities accomplish this is by having large, successful athletic programs. Few athletic programs make money, only a handful even break even. In "big money sports" most athletic programs lose money, but universities feel the exposure they get through them justifies the cost, and the cost of having a large and most critically "successful"  athletic program is through hiring top notch coaches and getting top notch coaches involves paying them top dollar. It's all about the market. I think the only way to stop something like that is either the law of diminishing returns will slow down the inflation pressures, as paying 2 million for your D-coordinator gets you increasingly marginally improved results versus paying them 1.5 million, OR, the NCAA imposes limits on salaries for coaches.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 09, 2012, 08:35:58 AM
Excellent points all (TH, Mr. Ypsi, RuleBritannia).  And I admit, I feel the same way as Mr. Ypsi.  Indeed, we all know that the system is not fair (much in life is not and we weren't promised that ;)) and is driven by the market.  The fact that most universities/colleges lose $ on their athletic programs is more reason to cut back/control the salaries rather than continued escalation - the same exact problem we have now/are facing because of our government/Congress and Executive branch.  Of course we know that fans pay the ticket prices - they have to in order to go see/enjoy the games of a sport they love.  The option of having the NCAA impose limits on salaries is a viable idea, however, you would then have more people screaming at that organization because of too much control (in many situations that is true and I am among many who do not agree with a large number of policies the NCAA has and/or how they oversee those ;D) as well as the fact that it would not be legal.  The one good thing about all this $ is that the major networks that provide the funding (from the basketball tourney) to sponsor all the national championships for the NCAA sports at all the levels.  Yet, overall, the bottom line is just as you said- it is all about the market and we all know that's what is necessary for free enterprise/capitalism system we have in our country.  It does have its drawbacks and has to have some regualtion to a degree.

Yet, I guess, with the system in place, who can blame coaches for going seeking/taking such outrageous salaries if they can get those/i.e. those are offered.  But, that also brings me back to my earlier point...how much is not enough? Those like Saban are set for life with even just one of those contracts and he's had several. ;D  Which brings up another topic, albeti tangent - when T.O. (T. Owens) was crying about not making enough $ to feed his family.  Now that he spent all his $ and is out of football, I guess all the rest of us will now really be supporting him on food stamps. ;D (Sorry, but I just had to throw that one in there, although I have no sympathy for T.O. as he is totally responsible for his own problems. ;)).   

So you see, this is a relevent discussion because our young people need to know that the debates on economy/free market systems and capitalism affects just another aspect of our/their lives i.e. sports. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 09, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
No football coach should be paid more than the President of the University, or be the highest paid state employee.  It's massively out of whack.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 09, 2012, 01:26:42 PM
Quote from: sac on January 09, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
No football coach should be paid more than the President of the University, or be the highest paid state employee.  It's massively out of whack.



sac,

I strongly agree, but we know in so many cases that is not so! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2012, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 09, 2012, 01:26:42 PM
Quote from: sac on January 09, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
No football coach should be paid more than the President of the University, or be the highest paid state employee.  It's massively out of whack.



sac,

I strongly agree, but we know in so many cases that is not so! ::)

OSU President Gordan Gee inadvertently illustrated the problem.  When asked if he would fire Tressel, he infamously responded: "Are you kidding?!  I just hope he doesn't dismiss me." :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 09, 2012, 02:29:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2012, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 09, 2012, 01:26:42 PM
Quote from: sac on January 09, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
No football coach should be paid more than the President of the University, or be the highest paid state employee.  It's massively out of whack.



sac,

I strongly agree, but we know in so many cases that is not so! ::)

OSU President Gordan Gee inadvertently illustrated the problem.  When asked if he would fire Tressel, he infamously responded: "Are you kidding?!  I just hope he doesn't dismiss me." :P

Mr. Ypsi,

Gee and the OSU athletic Smith should have been removed. Tressel departure should have happen, but those guys deserved it as well, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 09, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2012, 08:52:58 PM
Don't know about the other UM assistants, but I have seen that Greg Mattison is paid nearly twice what Bo ever got!  Sports salaries are going totally insane - but I guess if you wanna keep up with the Joneses (read: SEC) ... :P


Mattison is the first UM assistant whose receiving an outrageous salary for an assistant.  Michigan assistants were always notoriously under-payed vs their peers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 09, 2012, 04:13:22 PM
Saw this just a few moments ago......pretty shocking to me as GRCC has always been a top notch CC program.

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2012/01/grcc_football_program_canceled.html

A piece of the Annese to Ferris State puzzle may have just been found.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 09, 2012, 04:25:45 PM
Sounds like maybe an announcement coming at Alma tomorrow.  Sounds like the guy will come with HC experience at D3 level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on January 09, 2012, 05:44:50 PM
Regarding the talk on coaching salaries. It can probably best be summed up, if we're honest and like many of you have mentioned, that we all are a bit envious of the salaries these guys make. I don't blame them for getting paid what they do, nor do I blame the industry for paying guys what the market can tolerate. It's what makes America what she is, these guys arguably are the best of the best at the profession and while a small percentage of coaches might make BIG money, overall coaching isn't a money making endeavor. (youth - pro) Like in most professions, at the top of the food chain you find the highest paid guys. Even if we think they're salaries are outlandish, I know of several people in my profession who are HIGHLY over paid, and they don't deserve it either. But it is what it is.

Regarding GRCC cancelling it's football program. I think it's a mistake.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 09, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
No GRCC football is a big loss to the community.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 09, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Just heard from my son today that Alma is naming it's choice tomorrow. They did not say who it was but are introducing him to the team in the morning. A new begining in SCOTS LAND.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 09, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on January 09, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Just heard from my son today that Alma is naming it's choice tomorrow. They did not say who it was but are introducing him to the team in the morning. A new begining in SCOTS LAND.

Greg Psconda. 

Look forward to seeing how it all works.  Wish him the best and looking forward to some good football next fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 09, 2012, 09:58:14 PM
Regarding the GRCC decision, I agree that it is a mistake.  Their president has succumbed to the "Swarthemore Debacle" and the old Hutchin's U of Chicago mentality, which is misguided and that is putting it mildly.  They could have looked at playing other school in the tri-state region, even if those were 4 year institutions both NCAA and NAIA - heck, they've played them in the past even though GRCC is a two year school. Besides, playing the College of DuPage in Chicago area is not a big distance either from Grand Rapids.  The decision is disappointing and IMO, they were most likely just looking for an excuse to discontinue the program.  If they've done it for 80 years, there is no reason why it couldn't have been continued.  Other schools with the same or lesser rescources have done it and so could GRCC.  Especially disappointing is the now lost opportunity for some students who needed the two years to help them get their grades up, get adjusted to time management and the college atmosphere before transferring on to another school while at the same time being able to continue their football careers.  Just a shame and GRCC has failed IMO. :P >:(  (BTW, Title IX is an excuse also -there are ways to comply with that for the women's sports which would not cost a ton of $ and which would still provide opportunities for the women. :P  And, I agree with sac, that most likely was a reason why Annese was looking to get out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 10, 2012, 09:49:16 AM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 09, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on January 09, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Just heard from my son today that Alma is naming it's choice tomorrow. They did not say who it was but are introducing him to the team in the morning. A new begining in SCOTS LAND.

Greg Psconda. 

Look forward to seeing how it all works.  Wish him the best and looking forward to some good football next fall.

Pscodna is a great coach and a great guy.  this is a great hire for Alma.  when he first came to Defiance he had to basically build a program from scratch after it had been decimated by a previous coach and had no conference.  his first day of practice he started with something like 12 upperclassmen on the team and the first game of the season was vs. Mount Union.  in just a few years he had Defiance comepeting for league championships (in 2 different leagues...which we wont get into :) ) including 1 trip to the playoffs before he left to GVSU.  in our 2 years in the MIAA he beat every team except Albion. 

the players at Alma will love to play for P.  while he does not take a lot of crap he is still a players coach very personable and a good recruiter.  one word of caution he likes to run, you will be in shape, but he is the only ex lineman i know that likes to run early in the AM and likes to talk to people while he does it!  so he purposely looks for people doing dumb things to have 6am running partners, when he starts "looking for dawn patrol partners" you better get out of his line of site ;D

P will bring some energy and swagger to Alma.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rome on January 10, 2012, 03:17:19 PM
GO BRITS!

http://www.freep.com/article/20120110/SPORTS08/120110056/saturday-night-live-snl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WFFYBLuaz8&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 10, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Officially at 4:32 pm today:

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2012/01/10/pscodna
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 10, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 10, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Officially at 4:32 pm today:

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2012/01/10/pscodna

Humm...not the best kept secret as far as who they were leaning to, now was it? ??? :o ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 11, 2012, 02:42:08 AM
Well Alma has a new direction. My son said he liked Coach Posconda when he got to meet him but really did not get to talk to him. I told him he will have plenty of time for that. Good Luck Coach and you really do have a nice nucleus to start out with.  It will be interesting to see what happens this year. GO SCOTS
8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 11, 2012, 10:24:21 AM
Are the rest of the MIAA schools set for coaching changes or are there more in the works? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 11, 2012, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 10, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 10, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Officially at 4:32 pm today:

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2012/01/10/pscodna

Humm...not the best kept secret as far as who they were leaning to, now was it? ??? :o ::)

Well actually, I think the decision was made 2-3 days before the first word came to the boards, so decent I think...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 11, 2012, 11:04:48 PM
Raider68:
No other head coaching changes are "on the horizon" for the MIAA as far as I/we know.  They're all set for now and will be for quite some time, IMO.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 11, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 11, 2012, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 10, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 10, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Officially at 4:32 pm today:

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2012/01/10/pscodna

Humm...not the best kept secret as far as who they were leaning to, now was it? ??? :o ::)

Well actually, I think the decision was made 2-3 days before the first word came to the boards, so decent I think...

sflzman:
You would obviously know well before us!  Keep us posted on what the staff will be if/when you hear anything.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2012, 03:39:17 PM
Wow, a lot of changes in the MIAA this off-season.  Next year should be very interesting. 

Now, we need to draw more talent to the conference as a whole from outside its traditional sources and get kids normally committing to the plethora of D2 schools in region, etc.. etc...     Maybe the schools of the MIAA need to work together and focus some effort on marketing the MIAA more as a whole.  By promoting the academic strength and athletic history of the conference it could be more appealing to high school grads.  I am sure that most schools would rather spend their money marketing their own institution directly, but an enhanced MIAA conference awareness would provide some benefit to all member schools.   

The tough part would seem to be that there also needs to be more academic scholarship opportunies to minimize the high cost of tuition, and that might need to come from alumni and other donors.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 12, 2012, 06:07:27 PM
Uncle Rico:

That is an intriguing idea.  It would be neat if it would work i.e. if there were people at each MIAA school who were willing to do a collaborative effort in that regard.  Yet, at the same time as you say, each school is most likely pretty much interested in promoting their own campaign for obvious reasons.

Anyway, I do think it will be an interesting year in football next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 12, 2012, 06:36:02 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2012, 03:39:17 PM
Wow, a lot of changes in the MIAA this off-season.  Next year should be very interesting. 

Now, we need to draw more talent to the conference as a whole from outside its traditional sources and get kids normally committing to the plethora of D2 schools in region, etc.. etc...     Maybe the schools of the MIAA need to work together and focus some effort on marketing the MIAA more as a whole.  By promoting the academic strength and athletic history of the conference it could be more appealing to high school grads.  I am sure that most schools would rather spend their money marketing their own institution directly, but an enhanced MIAA conference awareness would provide some benefit to all member schools.   

The tough part would seem to be that there also needs to be more academic scholarship opportunies to minimize the high cost of tuition, and that might need to come from alumni and other donors.

Vs their peers, I believe MIAA schools still fall below the avg in endowment funds per student.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 12, 2012, 09:37:37 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 11, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 11, 2012, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 10, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 10, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Officially at 4:32 pm today:

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2012/01/10/pscodna

Humm...not the best kept secret as far as who they were leaning to, now was it? ??? :o ::)




Well actually, I think the decision was made 2-3 days before the first word came to the boards, so decent I think...

sflzman:
You would obviously know well before us!  Keep us posted on what
the staff will be if/when you hear anything.

From what I'm hearing its going to be a mixture. There's still contracted coaches as of now but there's the obvious offensive coordinator job open and maybe 1 or 2 other assistant jobs....

From what I hear were going to b running the ball A LOT. Bye bye scot-gun :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 12, 2012, 11:46:42 PM
Sflzman:

That's what I hear as well and since 3 of the 5 starting lineman are coming back, plus the two primary back ups who got alot of time on the field, we will see if they can get it done. They showed last year that when prompted they could run block. i.e: single game rushing record for Ed Mason. But I am intrigued to see how the play action will open the field for Leister and his strong arm. I think we are going to see the begining of something special in Alma this year. Yes I am positive and always will be. Good Luck Scots!!!

;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 13, 2012, 08:40:56 AM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on January 12, 2012, 11:46:42 PM
Sflzman:

That's what I hear as well and since 3 of the 5 starting lineman are coming back, plus the two primary back ups who got alot of time on the field, we will see if they can get it done. They showed last year that when prompted they could run block. i.e: single game rushing record for Ed Mason. But I am intrigued to see how the play action will open the field for Leister and his strong arm. I think we are going to see the begining of something special in Alma this year. Yes I am positive and always will be. Good Luck Scots!!!

;D

I am also looking forward to what this change will bring to this next year and the whole program.  I've only been on the Alma 'scene' for a few years and watched McGrady run the 'scotgun' reasonably effective.  While I never really developed a stong opinion either in favor or against the 'scotgun', I felt last year the offense really struggled finding an identity.  I've always felt you need to be able to run the ball effectively in any offense.  While I love Mason, he (and the rest of the team) was far from consistent in the run game.  Eliminate some key turnovers, and last season turns out much differently.

I share in AC's positive mojo!  Can't wait until the fall.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on January 13, 2012, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2012, 03:39:17 PM
Wow, a lot of changes in the MIAA this off-season.  Next year should be very interesting. 

Now, we need to draw more talent to the conference as a whole from outside its traditional sources and get kids normally committing to the plethora of D2 schools in region, etc.. etc...     Maybe the schools of the MIAA need to work together and focus some effort on marketing the MIAA more as a whole.  By promoting the academic strength and athletic history of the conference it could be more appealing to high school grads.  I am sure that most schools would rather spend their money marketing their own institution directly, but an enhanced MIAA conference awareness would provide some benefit to all member schools.   

The tough part would seem to be that there also needs to be more academic scholarship opportunies to minimize the high cost of tuition, and that might need to come from alumni and other donors.
I would have to agree that not having enough academic scholarship opportunities could be a major deterrent to attracting more athletes to your campuses. I can only speak for North Central, however, and they offer three tiers of academic scholarships to incoming freshmen (not just athletes). Once you have qualified for one of them, they are renewable for four years. Unfortunately, they are only good for four years, so if an athlete uses a medical redshirt, they would have to find other financing for their final semester. There are also several other smaller scholarships all students can apply for on a yearly basis. My son would not have been able to attend North Central without having this type of aid available to him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 13, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
While it is only January, the 2012 MIAA conference title is up for grabs for the fall, IMHO! Not sure which team really as the inside track and which team may the abillity to make a playoff statement? :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 13, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on January 13, 2012, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2012, 03:39:17 PM
Wow, a lot of changes in the MIAA this off-season.  Next year should be very interesting. 

Now, we need to draw more talent to the conference as a whole from outside its traditional sources and get kids normally committing to the plethora of D2 schools in region, etc.. etc...     Maybe the schools of the MIAA need to work together and focus some effort on marketing the MIAA more as a whole.  By promoting the academic strength and athletic history of the conference it could be more appealing to high school grads.  I am sure that most schools would rather spend their money marketing their own institution directly, but an enhanced MIAA conference awareness would provide some benefit to all member schools.   

The tough part would seem to be that there also needs to be more academic scholarship opportunies to minimize the high cost of tuition, and that might need to come from alumni and other donors.
I would have to agree that not having enough academic scholarship opportunities could be a major deterrent to attracting more athletes to your campuses. I can only speak for North Central, however, and they offer three tiers of academic scholarships to incoming freshmen (not just athletes). Once you have qualified for one of them, they are renewable for four years. Unfortunately, they are only good for four years, so if an athlete uses a medical redshirt, they would have to find other financing for their final semester. There are also several other smaller scholarships all students can apply for on a yearly basis. My son would not have been able to attend North Central without having this type of aid available to him.

newcardfan:
That is similar to what some of the MIAA schools have.  The problem is, however, that not all the schools have the set up in offering comparable packages to prospective student-athletes.  By that, I mean for example that I know of many instances (in talking with parents and some coaches) that the packages offered to their sons at one MIAA school just did not match that at another MIAA school and thus their sons could not go to the one that was their first choice (and many of these recruits had the grades to obviously qualify at these particular schools BTW, I'm withholding the names of the schools as I don't want to cause a stir among and/or for anyone! ;D).  The other problem associated with this (and perhaps that which is really disappointing) is that the schools involved really do have the resources to offer perhaps a better package in this instance, however, the administration/admission-financial aid departments simply will just not do it.  And that has been frustrating to some of the coaching staffs.  This is just another part of the puzzle that everyone has to deal with, obvioulsy like your son did in making his choice and the good opportunity he thankfully had at North Central. 

Another good discussion, guys. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 13, 2012, 05:48:18 PM
Raider68:
I think you are right, although I'm just not sure, in my own opinion, as to who I will choose (or see ::) ;)) as the favorites.  Obviously, some people here will say Albion and Adrian again, although I'm not so sure.  I'll wait until later this spring after hearing about how some of the spring practices go and perhaps also as to the recruiting classes (at least based on what little info we all sometimes get regarding the latter).

BTW, you are lucky - you don't have to do any snow shoveling or snowblowing right now, unlike the rest of us here out this way!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 13, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
Ac

I agree with you I'm very intrigued to see how leister operates in the new offense. He was a really good high school qb at mt pleasant in more of a pro style offense. I kind of think he could be a d3 "wannabe", for lack of a better term, andrew luck. A pro style qb that is still mobile.

I didn't think he played well consistently in an offense last year where he had tothrow the ball so much. Especially towards the end of the year when Henderson and mason got benched....

Scotsfan:

As to you saying mason was inconsistent. I think he was really consistant, WHEN HE WAS ON THE FIELD...towards the end of the year when he wash getting the production he jus wasnt in the lineup. He skipped some practices, was late to a few meetings, and just never was played in the number of snaps he had been. Especially when ruhlman (alumni of the worst high school in Michigan - my high schools rival, freeland ;D )...

Anyways. Hopefully the scots can start a new era this year, last season was one of the most dissapointing in a long time.

Go Scots!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 14, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
sflzman:
I wasn't aware that there was apparently some problems within the team and particularly Mason as you relate.  Nonetheless, regardless of whether he agreed or disagreed with the policies, p.t. or whatever the reasons were, if what you mention he did is true (and I have no reason not to believe you), then he has no one to blame but himself.  If you are a player on the team, no matter what happens, you don't miss practices (unless an excused absence, of course, for some lab or class or otherwise by the coaching staff), you don't arrive late for meetings, etc., and if there is a problem, you go talk with the coaches and try to work it out.  Even if it doesn't go your way, taking the "high road" and "riding it out" is always "the better part of valor" and simply the right thing to do.  Thereafter, you start anew and/or move on.  When situations like that arise (again, as you describe with Mason apparently), those are obviously always tough to deal with in life, however, it is simply part of the process of growing up, maturing and facing challenges in life that will be much more serious and difficult than something such as that i.e. dealing with one's issues on the football team.  We've all been there before to some degree or another, and future players will too, but it is just part of life and inevitable reality and really the other important aspect of what playing college football is all about.  I borrow the following phrase from Curt Cousins, Michigan State quarterback, who said this in a talk piece he gave to area high school players and younger i.e. youth athletes in an area community at the beginning of this past season; "being able to play college football is a privilege and not a right and with that comes certain responsibilitiesl and manner of approaching/handling and dealing with all kinds of challenges, some of which go beyond actually playing on the field."  That's my philosophy as well.  My apologies for this rather long "soap box" dissertation, however, IMO, it is appropriate to the discussion, although I will readily admit, I do not know any of the details of the situation involving Mason other that what you have shared/related with us here.  That said, I hope he is able to return with a renewed attitude if he is planning on returning to the college and the team, especially with the new staff in place. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 14, 2012, 10:44:40 AM
Former:

I agree with you completely and 100%. You can't have issues like that on a team that's going to win. I also know a few players who got benched in the middle of games for not following the very strict rule that you can't throw helmets.

IMO, I think this must have team had some mental toughness and discipline issues. Either that, or there was locker room issues, because they just fell apart towards the end of the season. You go from losing a tough OT game at Heidelberg, to almost beating a really good IWU squad, to losing by 1 to a pretty good Washington and Lee team, there was a trouncing of Rockford in there as well, but I just don't know how they could be so bad in conference play after such a promising non-con schedule....

Anyways, hopefully Poscodna can turn things around and bring a new attitude to the Scots football program....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 14, 2012, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: sflzman on January 14, 2012, 10:44:40 AM
Former:

I agree with you completely and 100%. You can't have issues like that on a team that's going to win. I also know a few players who got benched in the middle of games for not following the very strict rule that you can't throw helmets.

IMO, I think this must have team had some mental toughness and discipline issues. Either that, or there was locker room issues, because they just fell apart towards the end of the season. You go from losing a tough OT game at Heidelberg, to almost beating a really good IWU squad, to losing by 1 to a pretty good Washington and Lee team, there was a trouncing of Rockford in there as well, but I just don't know how they could be so bad in conference play after such a promising non-con schedule....

Anyways, hopefully Poscodna can turn things around and bring a new attitude to the Scots football program....

sflzman,

Can the new HC make that much of an impact in one year? And, are the expectations a bit too high or not? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 14, 2012, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 14, 2012, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: sflzman on January 14, 2012, 10:44:40 AM
Former:

I agree with you completely and 100%. You can't have issues like that on a team that's going to win. I also know a few players who got benched in the middle of games for not following the very strict rule that you can't throw helmets.

IMO, I think this must have team had some mental toughness and discipline issues. Either that, or there was locker room issues, because they just fell apart towards the end of the season. You go from losing a tough OT game at Heidelberg, to almost beating a really good IWU squad, to losing by 1 to a pretty good Washington and Lee team, there was a trouncing of Rockford in there as well, but I just don't know how they could be so bad in conference play after such a promising non-con schedule....

Anyways, hopefully Poscodna can turn things around and bring a new attitude to the Scots football program....

sflzman,

Can the new HC make that much of an impact in one year? And, are the expectations a bit too high or not? :-\

I don't know. Hopefully, but we lose so much and I have no idea what recruiting will look like...

Losing Sabatella, Galarno, Bovee, Cole, Halas, and Thelen on defense will be tough. And then on offense the two top weapons in the passing game will be gone as well....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on January 15, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 13, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
While it is only January, the 2012 MIAA conference title is up for grabs for the fall, IMHO! Not sure which team really as the inside track and which team may the abillity to make a playoff statement? :-X :-X :-X
The new ratings are out and again they show the MIAA as gaining ground Nationally. Albion is rated on top and is climbing in the National D3 ratings. Adrian and Hope are also moving up. Alma is next and it is thought that with their coaching changes good things will happen there. They will have a stronger recruiting class this year. Kalamazoo stayed where they were in the ratings but are however bringing in some strong recruits this year. Next is Trine which from 2010 til now has fallen more than any team in D3. Going from as high as 8 in D3 (2010) to out of the top 100 and still falling. It seems that their problems are with the offensive coaching staff and with their OC going to HC at Olivet the ratings are showing these two teams will be the bottom dwellers.
As a whole the MIAA should be more competitive Nationally. Watch for Albion, Adrian, Hope, but do not count out Alma. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 15, 2012, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 15, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 13, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
While it is only January, the 2012 MIAA conference title is up for grabs for the fall, IMHO! Not sure which team really as the inside track and which team may the abillity to make a playoff statement? :-X :-X :-X
The new ratings are out and again they show the MIAA as gaining ground Nationally. Albion is rated on top and is climbing in the National D3 ratings. Adrian and Hope are also moving up. Alma is next and it is thought that with their coaching changes good things will happen there. They will have a stronger recruiting class this year. Kalamazoo stayed where they were in the ratings but are however bringing in some strong recruits this year. Next is Trine which from 2010 til now has fallen more than any team in D3. Going from as high as 8 in D3 (2010) to out of the top 100 and still falling. It seems that their problems are with the offensive coaching staff and with their OC going to HC at Olivet the ratings are showing these two teams will be the bottom dwellers.
As a whole the MIAA should be more competitive Nationally. Watch for Albion, Adrian, Hope, but do not count out Alma. ;)

wisd3fan2,

Is there a link on the ratings? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 15, 2012, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 15, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 13, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
While it is only January, the 2012 MIAA conference title is up for grabs for the fall, IMHO! Not sure which team really as the inside track and which team may the abillity to make a playoff statement? :-X :-X :-X
The new ratings are out and again they show the MIAA as gaining ground Nationally. Albion is rated on top and is climbing in the National D3 ratings. Adrian and Hope are also moving up. Alma is next and it is thought that with their coaching changes good things will happen there. They will have a stronger recruiting class this year. Kalamazoo stayed where they were in the ratings but are however bringing in some strong recruits this year. Next is Trine which from 2010 til now has fallen more than any team in D3. Going from as high as 8 in D3 (2010) to out of the top 100 and still falling. It seems that their problems are with the offensive coaching staff and with their OC going to HC at Olivet the ratings are showing these two teams will be the bottom dwellers.
As a whole the MIAA should be more competitive Nationally. Watch for Albion, Adrian, Hope, but do not count out Alma. ;)

There's a "crap-ton" (yeah, gotta love a Gratiot county education  ;D ) of recruits coming on campus this week. Coach has kids coming in non stop this whole week....looks to be some hectic times for Scot football these next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on January 16, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 15, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 13, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
While it is only January, the 2012 MIAA conference title is up for grabs for the fall, IMHO! Not sure which team really as the inside track and which team may the abillity to make a playoff statement? :-X :-X :-X
The new ratings are out and again they show the MIAA as gaining ground Nationally. Albion is rated on top and is climbing in the National D3 ratings. Adrian and Hope are also moving up. Alma is next and it is thought that with their coaching changes good things will happen there. They will have a stronger recruiting class this year. Kalamazoo stayed where they were in the ratings but are however bringing in some strong recruits this year. Next is Trine which from 2010 til now has fallen more than any team in D3. Going from as high as 8 in D3 (2010) to out of the top 100 and still falling. It seems that their problems are with the offensive coaching staff and with their OC going to HC at Olivet the ratings are showing these two teams will be the bottom dwellers.
As a whole the MIAA should be more competitive Nationally. Watch for Albion, Adrian, Hope, but do not count out Alma. ;)

Trine will not be a bottom dweller in the MIAA next year. They will be improved, and in my opinion the OC leaving will help the offense as changes will be made and tendencies will be erased. Regardless if they use a similar system or make a change the new guy calling the plays will put his spin on the old system or his mark on the team with a new system. Haven't heard much on recruiting yet, but then again we usually don't until fall camp starts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 16, 2012, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on January 16, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 15, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 13, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
While it is only January, the 2012 MIAA conference title is up for grabs for the fall, IMHO! Not sure which team really as the inside track and which team may the abillity to make a playoff statement? :-X :-X :-X
The new ratings are out and again they show the MIAA as gaining ground Nationally. Albion is rated on top and is climbing in the National D3 ratings. Adrian and Hope are also moving up. Alma is next and it is thought that with their coaching changes good things will happen there. They will have a stronger recruiting class this year. Kalamazoo stayed where they were in the ratings but are however bringing in some strong recruits this year. Next is Trine which from 2010 til now has fallen more than any team in D3. Going from as high as 8 in D3 (2010) to out of the top 100 and still falling. It seems that their problems are with the offensive coaching staff and with their OC going to HC at Olivet the ratings are showing these two teams will be the bottom dwellers.
As a whole the MIAA should be more competitive Nationally. Watch for Albion, Adrian, Hope, but do not count out Alma. ;)

Trine will not be a bottom dweller in the MIAA next year. They will be improved, and in my opinion the OC leaving will help the offense as changes will be made and tendencies will be erased. Regardless if they use a similar system or make a change the new guy calling the plays will put his spin on the old system or his mark on the team with a new system. Haven't heard much on recruiting yet, but then again we usually don't until fall camp starts.

adidas28,

Thanks, hope all is well! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 16, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 15, 2012, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 15, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 13, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
While it is only January, the 2012 MIAA conference title is up for grabs for the fall, IMHO! Not sure which team really as the inside track and which team may the abillity to make a playoff statement? :-X :-X :-X
The new ratings are out and again they show the MIAA as gaining ground Nationally. Albion is rated on top and is climbing in the National D3 ratings. Adrian and Hope are also moving up. Alma is next and it is thought that with their coaching changes good things will happen there. They will have a stronger recruiting class this year. Kalamazoo stayed where they were in the ratings but are however bringing in some strong recruits this year. Next is Trine which from 2010 til now has fallen more than any team in D3. Going from as high as 8 in D3 (2010) to out of the top 100 and still falling. It seems that their problems are with the offensive coaching staff and with their OC going to HC at Olivet the ratings are showing these two teams will be the bottom dwellers.
As a whole the MIAA should be more competitive Nationally. Watch for Albion, Adrian, Hope, but do not count out Alma. ;)

There's a "crap-ton" (yeah, gotta love a Gratiot county education  ;D ) of recruits coming on campus this week. Coach has kids coming in non stop this whole week....looks to be some hectic times for Scot football these next couple of weeks.

I like to hear this information.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2012, 05:46:53 PM
adidas28:

So, are we then to assume that you and your other Trine colleagues who were not so enthralled with the former OC at Trine (and, as such, as much as you and the others have indicated) are saying that Olivet will not do as well either because of his now being there and the system he runs?  ::) ;) Just curious. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2012, 05:49:33 PM
Raider68:
Check your PMs. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 16, 2012, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 16, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 15, 2012, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 15, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 13, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
While it is only January, the 2012 MIAA conference title is up for grabs for the fall, IMHO! Not sure which team really as the inside track and which team may the abillity to make a playoff statement? :-X :-X :-X
The new ratings are out and again they show the MIAA as gaining ground Nationally. Albion is rated on top and is climbing in the National D3 ratings. Adrian and Hope are also moving up. Alma is next and it is thought that with their coaching changes good things will happen there. They will have a stronger recruiting class this year. Kalamazoo stayed where they were in the ratings but are however bringing in some strong recruits this year. Next is Trine which from 2010 til now has fallen more than any team in D3. Going from as high as 8 in D3 (2010) to out of the top 100 and still falling. It seems that their problems are with the offensive coaching staff and with their OC going to HC at Olivet the ratings are showing these two teams will be the bottom dwellers.
As a whole the MIAA should be more competitive Nationally. Watch for Albion, Adrian, Hope, but do not count out Alma. ;)

There's a "crap-ton" (yeah, gotta love a Gratiot county education  ;D ) of recruits coming on campus this week. Coach has kids coming in non stop this whole week....looks to be some hectic times for Scot football these next couple of weeks.

I like to hear this information.   ;)

Saw coach in his office this morning (still have yet to meet him) and there was truly a line of recruits coming through. Tour, meeting with Lewis, and some other assistant coaches, then meeting with the Head Coach. It was cool to see these guys coming through like that.

Good sign IMO
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on January 16, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 16, 2012, 05:46:53 PM
adidas28:

So, are we then to assume that you and your other Trine colleagues who were not so enthralled with the former OC at Trine (and, as such, as much as you and the others have indicated) are saying that Olivet will not do as well either because of his now being there and the system he runs?  ::) ;) Just curious. ;)

No, that's not at all what I was saying at all. I never had an issue with any of the coaches at Trine. I'm glad both of my sons were able to play for them.  I defended every one of them. Pifer will do fine once he gets his kind of kids in their to run the system. What I was saying was the other coaches had 5 years of film on Trine and the offense and therfore probably were able to find some tendencies that helped them on defense. New system or not the new OC will likely have different tendencies.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2012, 07:20:08 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on January 16, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 16, 2012, 05:46:53 PM
adidas28:

So, are we then to assume that you and your other Trine colleagues who were not so enthralled with the former OC at Trine (and, as such, as much as you and the others have indicated) are saying that Olivet will not do as well either because of his now being there and the system he runs?  ::) ;) Just curious. ;)

No, that's not at all what I was saying at all. I never had an issue with any of the coaches at Trine. I'm glad both of my sons were able to play for them.  I defended every one of them. Pifer will do fine once he gets his kind of kids in their to run the system. What I was saying was the other coaches had 5 years of film on Trine and the offense and therfore probably were able to find some tendencies that helped them on defense. New system or not the new OC will likely have different tendencies.

Glad you clarified that, thank you.  Because that is not how it came across via some of the others who posted here during the season, although perhaps I misinterpreted that and, if I did, my apologies.  I wasn't saying that you did, rather I was just "asking the question". ;)  At the same time, (and just for the sake of discussion since it is the "off-season" ;D ;)) using your philosophy, I suspect that we could make the same arguements in regards to some of the other teams in the league when they have had some "down years" (such as Albion, Hope and Alma) who have run the same offensive systems year after year after year.  That may be part of it, yet on the other hand, I also believe it comes down to the personnel that one has each year.  By that I mean, if you have a rather talented group of players above and beyond what you might have had in some stretches before, then, of course, you are going to most likely be more successful even if you run the same system. Of course, that works well when you have some very successful years such as Trine recently has as "everyone then wants to go to your school" i.e. recruiting is good.  Yet, as many of us have discussed here on this board several times in the past 2-3 years, the number of scholarship schools/opportunities that are in our region for DII and NAIA (even though Trine left the scholarship program model) have hurt recruiting much for many of the MIAA schools. 

However, getting back to the question of offensive systems, as you allude to, one can also become "stale" over time and, without question, some changes i.e. tweaks need to be made from time to time in a season or two (for example like throwing in some "trick" plays and/or just simply taking a chance in a series once in awhile).  As you and I and everyone also well know, player attitudes play a big part of that depending on the year.

Anyway, as everyone here has said; even though our MIAA race seems to be interesting and have a great race every year, I sense that will be even more so this year.  It will be interesting to see how all the teams respond, especially those with new coaches and or coordinators at the helm. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2012, 07:28:10 PM
sflzman:

With that many guys parading through as you describe, did you happen to see if they (the coaches) were using one of those "cattle prods" from that huge cattle farm just north of the Alma city limits along U-23?!!! ;D :o ::) :P ;D :)  Just kidding! :D :)  I just had to throw that one in there after seeing that recent commercial where the guys pokes the other with the cattle prod - I think it is an insurance commercial, but I'm not sure just off the top of my head. :) 



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2012, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 16, 2012, 07:28:10 PM
sflzman:

With that many guys parading through as you describe, did you happen to see if they (the coaches) were using one of those "cattle prods" from that huge cattle farm just north of the Alma city limits along U-23?!!! ;D :o ::) :P ;D :)  Just kidding! :D :)  I just had to throw that one in there after seeing that recent commercial where the guys pokes the other with the cattle prod - I think it is an insurance commercial, but I'm not sure just off the top of my head. :)

More importantly, were the recruits so big that the coaches would be tempted to use cattle prods! ;D

After viewing what you almost did to my Titans (a pool C team), I am still in disbelief how your season turned out. :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on January 16, 2012, 08:47:33 PM
Hey guys, hope all is well with everyone.

Just thought I would chime in on the "predictably" thread. I think coaches typically don't get in trouble due to predictability by formation but rather, most of the time, by predictably by situation. Meaning on 3rd and plus 7 under 12 they tend to come out in this personal set and this formation while running THIS particular route set.

Obviously everyone on here knows that you can run several route combinations with the same formation, but often coaches call the same "route combination" out of the same "formation" in the same "situation" thus the "predictability" often seen.

I don't think some coaches are creative enough in their route combinations, because if used correctly you can window dress a formation in certain situations and bate a defense into a coverage they feel will cover the "common routes" of the formation giving you the advantage by allowing you to add re-routes and really confuse a coverage set, often leading to the blown coverage you occasionally see. 

Anyway, just my two cents on that. In my experience the most successful coaches are the most creative ones. Unless you simply have superior athletes, then you can just do whatever you want and look like a genius.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 17, 2012, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2012, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 16, 2012, 07:28:10 PM
sflzman:

With that many guys parading through as you describe, did you happen to see if they (the coaches) were using one of those "cattle prods" from that huge cattle farm just north of the Alma city limits along U-23?!!! ;D :o ::) :P ;D :)  Just kidding! :D :)  I just had to throw that one in there after seeing that recent commercial where the guys pokes the other with the cattle prod - I think it is an insurance commercial, but I'm not sure just off the top of my head. :)

More importantly, were the recruits so big that the coaches would be tempted to use cattle prods! ;D

After viewing what you almost did to my Titans (a pool C team), I am still in disbelief how your season turned out. :o

I don't know about all of them, but there was a kid that was in Holt gear (i think) that I'm pretty sure could have taken down those cattle up on that farm with ease.

And TH, make sure you only travel from Alma to Mt. Pleasant (or anywhere north) certain times in the year, or else you will find yourself plugging your nose the whole ride! That farm reeks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 17, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on January 16, 2012, 08:47:33 PM
 
Anyway, just my two cents on that. In my experience the most successful coaches are the most creative ones. Unless you simply have superior athletes, then you can just do whatever you want and look like a genius.  ;D

Thunderhead,

Well said! Those coaches who are creative and have superior athletes win championships! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 18, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
I talked with my "vested interest" at Alma College and he told me that he liked the new coach and that Coach told him he was going to find the best available OC. He told him he is looking to be a multiple formation attacking offense. With the returning lineman I think they have a legitimate chance to have a formidable running attack, Mason, Hahn,  to go with Leisters arm. They have a wideout, Watters, who caught everything thrown at him last year. Plus Lenneman is back at WR. It's January and I am already getting excited for Fall  ;D.  Go Scotts
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 18, 2012, 07:35:43 AM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on January 18, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
I talked with my "vested interest" at Alma College and he told me that he liked the new coach and that Coach told him he was going to find the best available OC. He told him he is looking to be a multiple formation attacking offense. With the returning lineman I think they have a legitimate chance to have a formidable running attack, Mason, Hahn,  to go with Leisters arm. They have a wideout, Watters, who caught everything thrown at him last year. Plus Lenneman is back at WR. It's January and I am already getting excited for Fall  ;D.  Go Scotts

The key I think offensively, will to not get into 3rd and long situations and let Leister manage the game more than try to force things. Also a play-action passing scheme will help a lot...

I agree with you, offensively  they'll have the weapons, but defensively they lose a lot, including an all-american linebacker...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 18, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
sflzman,

Maybe I missed it, but did not hear what the reaction was to the new turf at Alma. What did people think of it? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 18, 2012, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 18, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
sflzman,

Maybe I missed it, but did not hear what the reaction was to the new turf at Alma. What did people think of it? :-\

The players loved it! A lot better than the concrete they were playing on!  ;D

Also pretty much everyone I talked to had nothing but good things to say about the look too. There was a little dissapointment about it not being maroon, but hey, I think it looks pretty good...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 18, 2012, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 18, 2012, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 18, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
sflzman,

Maybe I missed it, but did not hear what the reaction was to the new turf at Alma. What did people think of it? :-\

The players loved it! A lot better than the concrete they were playing on!  ;D

Also pretty much everyone I talked to had nothing but good things to say about the look too. There was a little dissapointment about it not being maroon, but hey, I think it looks pretty good...

Most players that I talked to also said they loved it.  And while maroon would have been cool, they said they were glad that it wasn't...as apparently it heats up pretty quickly when it's hot out.  They said even the maroon in the end zones got pretty warm.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 18, 2012, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 17, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on January 16, 2012, 08:47:33 PM
 
Anyway, just my two cents on that. In my experience the most successful coaches are the most creative ones. Unless you simply have superior athletes, then you can just do whatever you want and look like a genius.  ;D

Thunderhead,

Well said! Those coaches who are creative and have superior athletes win championships! :)

Ditto what Raider68 has said - good post Thunderhead.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 19, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
Here is an off-season question, what MIAA team has the best looking uniforms, who has the worst and how would rate them in order? :-\ ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 19, 2012, 06:06:33 PM
Raider68:
Saw the stadium ratings opinions over on your OAC board for those schools.  Similar to that, it is not that easy to rate the stadiums here.  They all have some great qualities.

All of the MIAA schools will now have synthetic turf as you know, with Hope now being the last school to put it in (well, actually, with Kalamazoo's new stadium, they both will have it for the first time this fall, however, Kazoo made the decision long before Hope just recently did).

Adrian, Trine, Albion have the best coziest stadiums IMO and their brick/block stadium structures.  Adrian's is set in a "bowl like" setting, has some neat endzone seating for fans, the permanent individual seating on the home side, the personal boxes for the VIP's, the latter as does Trine, which I also like the close visitor stands at Trine, giving that enclosed feeling.  Albion has the best old-time traditional college stadium feel, also set in a "bowl like" setting, old fencing, visitor's stands are good, great fall setting among the trees and the river (whereas Adrian and Trine's stadiums are in a more open area), however, the pressbox is horribly small and outdated and now that Kazoo has built a new one, Albion surplants them as the school stadium with the worst pressbox, IMO.  Kalamazoo's new stadium will be very neat as well, retaining the old historic permament seating into the hillside and they retained their "historic bowl like" setting as well, new badly needed pressbox and new visitors stands, and more enclosed feeling with the concrete aesthetic block walls and fieldhouse at one end. Alma's stadium is neat on campus in the historic athetic field areas "Among the Pines" as Alma is known for, and while the main stadium is very nice with large pressbox (although it is horribly hot when coaching in there - the air system needs to be improved), the seating is all aluminum panels and the front row was poorly designed as there is no room for people to walk in front, the stadium does have a semi-bowl setting, albeit a small one, with the north endzone and home stands built into a hill.  Olivet's complex is very nice and while perhaps the simplist of all the designs (and some might say more like some high schools), is adequate for the size of the school (and a much needed upgrade to their old delapitated wooden high school like stands of years ago), but also it is on its historic field site where they've played since the 1890's, although one drawback is that it is in a more "open" setting; nice large pressbox though and the locker rooms/athletic training facilities right at the north endzone is a big plus.  Hope's stadium will now be much improved with the synthetic turf, while it is in a "bowl setting" also with students usually filling the grassy hill of the south enzone and is a more modern designed stadium with seating on both sides built right into the hills for both visitors and home stands, IMO, it is more "open setting" as well and doesn't have that "cozy" feeling.  The pressbox is great and you can walk all around the 3 sides of the "U" shaped bowl, looking down into the field, however, IMO, a new locker room facility to enclose the north end of the stadium would make it even better.

Lastly, in attempt to answer your question more directly in rating the stadiums in order of favorites, that is difficult - at least for me - because they all have their neat aspects in a variety of ways.  I guess I would have to rate them as follows (although some of this will depend on until after we've had a chance to see the new "digs" at Kazoo and Hope this fall):

Albion - for that old time college feel and coziness and semi-bowl setting.
Tie; Adrian and Trine - coziness, modern design, bowl setting.
Tie; Hope, Kazoo, Alma
Olivet - but it is very nice for the school.

What hurts Olivet and Kazoo, IMO in once sense in this stadium rating regarding atmosphere, is the low attendance at games, which obviously makes the stadiums look so empty.  But, I guess when they start winning more, perhaps more fans will come! ;D Olivet did well in having about 2200-2500 for games when they were winning just a few years ago and shared the league title, and as I've said before, Kazoo had 4,000+ for their Homecoming game against us (Hope) about 5-6 years ago which was really a great sight/site :o ;D ;) to see.

Anyway, that's my opinion on the stadiums - I like them all in various ways.  Sorry that I kind of "wimped out" on the rating of these as to what you were probably asking for. ;D ::) :)

Nonetheless, I will look forward to hearing the opinions of my/our colleagues here.  What say 'ye, my friends? ??? :)

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on January 19, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 19, 2012, 06:06:33 PM
Raider68:
Saw the stadium ratings opinions over on your OAC board for those schools.  Similar to that, it is not that easy to rate the stadiums here.  They all have some great qualities.

All of the MIAA schools will now have synthetic turf as you know, with Hope now being the last school to put it in (well, actually, with Kalamazoo's new stadium, they both will have it for the first time this fall, however, Kazoo made the decision long before Hope just recently did).

Adrian, Trine, Albion have the best coziest stadiums IMO and their brick/block stadium structures.  Adrian's is set in a "bowl like" setting, has some neat endzone seating for fans, the permanent individual seating on the home side, the personal boxes for the VIP's, the latter as does Trine, which I also like the close visitor stands at Trine, giving that enclosed feeling.  Albion has the best old-time traditional college stadium feel, also set in a "bowl like" setting, old fencing, visitor's stands are good, great fall setting among the trees and the river (whereas Adrian and Trine's stadiums are in a more open area), however, the pressbox is horribly small and outdated and now that Kazoo has built a new one, Albion surplants them as the school stadium with the worst pressbox, IMO.  Kalamazoo's new stadium will be very neat as well, retaining the old historic permament seating into the hillside and they retained their "historic bowl like" setting as well, new badly needed pressbox and new visitors stands, and more enclosed feeling with the concrete aesthetic block walls and fieldhouse at one end. Alma's stadium is neat on campus in the historic athetic field areas "Among the Pines" as Alma is known for, and while the main stadium is very nice with large pressbox (although it is horribly hot when coaching in there - the air system needs to be improved), the seating is all aluminum panels and the front row was poorly designed as there is no room for people to walk in front, the stadium does have a semi-bowl setting, albeit a small one, with the north endzone and home stands built into a hill.  Olivet's complex is very nice and while perhaps the simplist of all the designs (and some might say more like some high schools), is adequate for the size of the school (and a much needed upgrade to their old delapitated wooden high school like stands of years ago), but also it is on its historic field site where they've played since the 1890's, although one drawback is that it is in a more "open" setting; nice large pressbox though and the locker rooms/athletic training facilities right at the north endzone is a big plus.  Hope's stadium will now be much improved with the synthetic turf, while it is in a "bowl setting" also with students usually filling the grassy hill of the south enzone and is a more modern designed stadium with seating on both sides built right into the hills for both visitors and home stands, IMO, it is more "open setting" as well and doesn't have that "cozy" feeling.  The pressbox is great and you can walk all around the 3 sides of the "U" shaped bowl, looking down into the field, however, IMO, a new locker room facility to enclose the north end of the stadium would make it even better.

Lastly, in attempt to answer your question more directly in rating the stadiums in order of favorites, that is difficult - at least for me - because they all have their neat aspects in a variety of ways.  I guess I would have to rate them as follows (although some of this will depend on until after we've had a chance to see the new "digs" at Kazoo and Hope this fall):

Albion - for that old time college feel and coziness and semi-bowl setting.
Tie; Adrian and Trine - coziness, modern design, bowl setting.
Tie; Hope, Kazoo, Alma
Olivet - but it is very nice for the school.

What hurts Olivet and Kazoo, IMO in once sense in this stadium rating regarding atmosphere, is the low attendance at games, which obviously makes the stadiums look so empty.  But, I guess when they start winning more, perhaps more fans will come! ;D Olivet did well in having about 2200-2500 for games when they were winning just a few years ago and shared the league title, and as I've said before, Kazoo had 4,000+ for their Homecoming game against us (Hope) about 5-6 years ago which was really a great sight/site :o ;D ;) to see.

Anyway, that's my opinion on the stadiums - I like them all in various ways.  Sorry that I kind of "wimped out" on the rating of these as to what you were probably asking for. ;D ::) :)

Nonetheless, I will look forward to hearing the opinions of my/our colleagues here.  What say 'ye, my friends? ??? :)


I say -You did a great job! If I didn't have a vested interest in one CCIW school, I would like to go see some of them first hand. Great insight.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 19, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
Thanks newcardfan.  I'd like to see more of the CCIW stadiums also, although will get a chance when we play the next round this fall and thereafter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 19, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
Former,

I love your response and agree with it on most parts, though I haven't been to hopes or trines (or Calvins for that matter ;D ), but I'm going to go with the original question that was asked, about UNIFORMS haha ;D

So about the uniforms, Albion by far had the worst until this year when they got the new ones. I still think Adrian has the best though, probably followed by alma (anything louisille style is really cool), followed by hope (kind of the Oregon of the MIAA with the 4 different jerseys). Albion is right there too, the new jerseys are nice but nothing too fancy about them. Trine then Olivet round off the "cooler" looking jerseys, before getting to Kalamazoo's hideous ones.

Just my opinion. Any other takers on this topic?

Also I was just thinking pants/jersey here, what do people think about the helmets in the conference?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on January 20, 2012, 07:56:08 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 19, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
Thanks newcardfan.  I'd like to see more of the CCIW stadiums also, although will get a chance when we play the next round this fall and thereafter.

You'll have a great time in Naperville-plenty to do and great places to eat, besides getting to see some fantastic Cardinal football. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 20, 2012, 11:07:52 AM
Thanks again, newcard.

Thank you also, sflzman.  Also, great topic on uniforms and helmets you pose.  I will post my response/opinions to your question/topic later today or over the weekend, as I have to take care of some "day job" aspects right now! ;D

Anyway, talk to you all later.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 20, 2012, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 19, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
Former,

I love your response and agree with it on most parts, though I haven't been to hopes or trines (or Calvins for that matter ;D ), but I'm going to go with the original question that was asked, about UNIFORMS haha ;D

So about the uniforms, Albion by far had the worst until this year when they got the new ones. I still think Adrian has the best though, probably followed by alma (anything louisille style is really cool), followed by hope (kind of the Oregon of the MIAA with the 4 different jerseys). Albion is right there too, the new jerseys are nice but nothing too fancy about them. Trine then Olivet round off the "cooler" looking jerseys, before getting to Kalamazoo's hideous ones.

Just my opinion. Any other takers on this topic?

Also I was just thinking pants/jersey here, what do people think about the helmets in the conference?

sflzman,

Thanks for your input. I remember seeing K-zoo's uniforms when we lived in Western Michigan and I thought they were terrible. WMU's were not great either! Maybe someone has the ability to post each school side by side! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on January 20, 2012, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 19, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
Former,

I love your response and agree with it on most parts, though I haven't been to hopes or trines (or Calvins for that matter ;D ), but I'm going to go with the original question that was asked, about UNIFORMS haha ;D

So about the uniforms, Albion by far had the worst until this year when they got the new ones. I still think Adrian has the best though, probably followed by alma (anything louisille style is really cool), followed by hope (kind of the Oregon of the MIAA with the 4 different jerseys). Albion is right there too, the new jerseys are nice but nothing too fancy about them. Trine then Olivet round off the "cooler" looking jerseys, before getting to Kalamazoo's hideous ones.

Just my opinion. Any other takers on this topic?

Also I was just thinking pants/jersey here, what do people think about the helmets in the conference?

Man, I loved Albion's old uniforms. My feeling is that the best uniforms are more than stripes and colors but that the objects on the uniform have a larger meaning. For example, the wings on Michigan's helmets are more than just a cool design, they are an irreplaceable part of Michigan's football tradition, same with Notre Dame's golden helmets, or the numbers on Alabama's helmets. The only adornment on Albion's old uniforms was the school name "ALBION" on the chest above the numbers. And I kind of thought that said it all 33 34 MIAAchampionships, and a national title, wearing those same uniforms, wins over every Division I program in Michigan, and Notre Dame. It was a clear statement of the history of Albion's program. The new ones are fine I guess, but they don't have quite the same air of tradition in them, and the "ALBION" on the chest is way smaller  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 20, 2012, 04:07:59 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 20, 2012, 12:05:37 PM

Thanks for your input. I remember seeing K-zoo's uniforms when we lived in Western Michigan and I thought they were terrible. WMU's were not great either! Maybe someone has the ability to post each school side by side! :)

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Western Michigan......home jersey's the same scheme in Black,  WMU has white, black and I think gold pants to wear.

There just isn't much you can do with black and gold on a uniform that will look good.  Brown and gold was even worse.

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Kalamazoo

Despite my school's use of orange, there isn't much you can do with orange either

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 20, 2012, 04:29:50 PM
sac,

Thanks for the pics. The current WMU uniforms are better since they switched to black from the brown in the late 90's. K-zoo that is another story! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 20, 2012, 07:03:35 PM
Great comments everyone re: the uniforms.  Without question, everyone has their favorites and dislikes.  There are certainly both good and bad aspects regarding all of those.  Anyway, here are my opinions on the uniforms:

Albion:  I agree with RuleBritannia - I liked the old tradional uniforms that Albion has, of which their current ones are pretty much the same.  I agree that the small lettering on the front chest for any school - and hope has that as well - doesn't look as good as the larger lettering and I would personally like to see all that go back to a little larger lettering; if schools are going to go with the name of their college/university on the front upper chest.  That said, I like Albion's current color of gold pants, the darker purple jersey's and the golden helmets (like Notre Dame) with purple (or black) facemasks.  If they keep the traditional "A" on the helmet, that is fine with me because I like those traditional single letters on helmets.  I did not like Albions bright yellow helmets of several years ago, the brighter purple ones were fine with the yellow "A" on them (i.e. the same colors as in their main "official" college logo and that of the NFL Minnesota Vikings), however, I still like the actual gold ones even better.

Alma: Again, I am partial to the traditional single white "A" on the side of the helmets (Alma's design of the "A" is a little different than Albion's, but both are good visuals), and I like the dark maroon helmets with the black facemasks.  I like the black face masks better than when they were white.  I did like, however, when Alma had the script "Alma" on the side when my brother played there and that would be neat to see if they ever went back to that (which is like what Pitt had when Dorsett and Marino where there and also like Colgate now has i.e. script "gate" on the side), yet I would understand if some people think that is just too "old school" to go back to.  I did not like the old white helmets that I've seen photos of that Alma had away back in the late '60's and early 1970's.  As to their uniforms, I do like the all dark maroon (both jerseys and pants) with white numbering for home games and I like the newer fancy style numbers they have as opposed to the traditional "block type" numbers; again I would like to see the Alma College on the upper front chest.  Their white away jerseys are good, and those can be used with either maroon pants and/or white pants - I do like the large type strips down the side if one is going to go with strips or they could use the type of "pointed stripe" that some teams use, such as the NFL Denver Broncos and some of the college teams; and/or just have the solid maroon pants. I did not like when Alma had yellow pants a couple of years when my brother played (it looked to much like Ferris State ;D, but not as good as current Iowa State's uniforms. :)  Also, I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this, however, I just do not like that Scotty dog character logo (never have been able to like it for some reason) and would not put it on the helmet. ;D

Adrian: I like their all black uniforms with the yellow numbers outlined in white.  I like their all black helmets with black facemasks (heck, black is "stealth" and classy for any team IMO).  As far as a logo, their "AC" is okay, although if they are to continue with that, I would redesign it - somehow it looks too mundane IMO.  I did like the old Bulldog paw logo they had for several years (which is like Clemsons - heck, liken that to California's old Bear claw paw print from years ago which I would like to see them bring back instead of the current script "Cal"  :D).  As RuleBritannia mentioned, the U of Mich wing is so neat (of course, I'm bias since our dad was a U of M grad ;)) and Adrian had that for a few years (black helmets with the Mich yellow wings/3 stripes logo) since former Adrian head coach/now current Siena Heights Univ. head coach Jim Lyall played for Schembechler at Michigan.  I'm not sure what all yellow jerseys/game pants for away games (with their black helmets) would come across as looking like, but that might be neat similar to West Virginia's and Cal's all yellow uni's they use at times.

Hope: Well, once again, I am a traditionalist and "old school" if you will, I guess. I admit I like Hope's old uniforms which we had when I played which are like Auburn's.  I would return those, although use the same wider stripes on pants and jerseys that Auburn now uses and use the same pants for both home and away, but use the white jersey's for away.  Also, if you are going to leave Hope on the upper front chest, again, I would make it slightly larger lettering as mentioned above for the other schools.  I love the traditional "H" on the side (the one we have which is like Yale's and Brigham Young's "Y") and would leave that.  I do like the orange facemasks (instead of the old gray, although I see where many teams are going back to that, such as Michigan used in the Sugar Bowl and Alabama used in the national DI title game).  If Hope could afford it (which we all know is probably just not feasible at the DIII level for any of the schools ::) ;)), it might be neat to see Hope use the white Auburn helmet for away games (like Hope used to have in the 1960's before switching to the navy blue helmets) and make the current "H" logo for that helmet only, i.e. like Auburn's with orane surrounded by small blue outline, and use dark navy blue facemasks for that helmet.  However, I would still keep the dark navy blue helmets as they are now for home games. Now, all that said, I certainly think it has been neat to see that Coach Kreps in recent years has changed the uniforms such that the all navy blue pants and the all orange pants have been used.  I might keep the all navy, but as much the orange looks fine also, I don't think it looks as good as the traditional Auburn/Hope white pants with the orange stripe/with small navy blue stripes on either side as I've mentioned above.

Kalamazoo:  I might really be opening a "hornet's nest" here (pun intended also ::) :o ;D :D ;) :)) with these comments/opinions after seeing some of you guys already posted comments on Kazoo's uniforms!  But here goes anyway (please, no one throw rotten apples or peaches at me ;D that's kind of an "inside" story/joke from one of my Hope playing days away game bus trips, but I will leave that for another time - maybe ::) :o ;)!).  Once again, I like the old (yes, really old) college traditions and, as such, I really like Kazoo's old jersey's which were black and had the alternating orange/black stripes all the way down both arms only. :o :).  That just suggests/fits in with the "hornet" nickname.  I would keep black pants with those (no stipres) and/or alternate that with their old design white pants with orange stripe/with small black stripes outlining that orange for aways games (or again, modernize that stripe design to be like the Denver Bronco's one; or perhaps even better, come up with some type of pant like Oregon's with a hornet's 'striped tail" or similar at the knees, like Oregon's duck feathers or webbing design - oh my. :o).  I would still keep the all black helmets with black face masks and the current "K" with the fighting hornet is my favorite and I would keep that as the logo on both sides of the helmet.  Now, as far as "orange" and you guys are right about difficulty in using that, perhaps Kazoo could use an orange jersey with black stripes outlined with small white for their away games with white pants or do an orange jersey with the alternating black/orange stripes all the way down the entire sleeves only or even a white jersey with alternating orange/black all the way down both sleeves only (orange numbers outlined in small black) for away games similar to the home black ones as described above.

Olivet: This is kind of tough one.  I do like their uniforms in more recent years with the use of black as the accent yet keeping red in there.  I like the red jerseys with white/black numbers and the all black pants.  I did like when they had black helmets using the red U of Michigan wings/stripes, but I guess that might not be the best, but I wouldn't be opposed to them going back to those.  That said, I do like their current new helmets of red with black facemasks, however, I would redesign the "OC" logo as I think it is mundane like Adrian's as I mentioned above.  I would do it in the font like Oregon's "O" i.e. "OC" in that font OR perhaps even bettter, just use Oregon's single "O" in that font in white on their current red helmet with black face masks.  I would get rid of any stripes down the middle of the helmet.  For away jerseys/pants, use white jersey's on black pants or perhaps red pants, either way solid like Oregon.  I do like Olivet's old Comet characature logo and I hope they always keep that for athletic clothing, stationary, etc. as that is a unique design, although I guess I would not put it on the helmet, even though I like it.  I think my description of their helmet as I noted above is still the best, IMO.  Again, keep black facemasks and not going back to white facemasks.  As much as I like black, I don't think a black helmet for Olivet would look the best - they should keep it red, but heavy black accent i.e. as noted for solid black pants is the best IMO (although they did use wide black stripe down the red jersey and that would be fine also.

Trine:  Last but not least, I like Trine's current uniforms and helmets.  I think the change to the gold and dark navy blue colors was a great move. Sorry, but I just did not like their old royal blue and red and white.  I like their single "T" logo for the helmet sides.  If they wanted some variations in gold pants, navy blue jerseys i.e. like Notre Dame and Akron, that would be neat also. In all, Trine has classy uniforms.

As far as Western Michigan's uniforms, I agree - their "crap" brown and yellow (sorry about that) of years ago was just ugly (especially the brown helmets) - I liken them to the "Flaming Pile" of which our colleagues/friends over on the OAC board refer to Baldwin-Wallace's old uni's (ouch and again sorry about that! :o :o ::) :P ;D :D :)).  However, I do like their current colors of gold, black, white and their current helmets.  I would redesign their jerseys/pants - the gold with black and/or black with gold looks good; all black on black or all gold on gold with black numbers/white accent, etc. or something similar to some degree, however, I do not like their current strips on their shoulders of the white jerseys as sac showed us in his post today. Oh well.

Well, that's my take on our MIAA uniforms.  I suppose I could talk more about what other college uniforms I like (such as Pitt and some of the others - neat what Wisconsin did for their Rose Bowl uni's the rose petal on their "W" helmet logos and jersey numbers), however, I think I've bored all of you enough already with my MIAA "pinings" above. ::) :D ;) :o  This is always a fun topic to discuss and share everyone's opinions on in the off-season, just like the stadium discussion as well.  So thanks for listening to my long descriptions and opinions, likes/dislikes and I've enjoyed reading what has been posted on the uni's and stadiums from those of you that have posted already.  I will look forward to seeing other's opinions and ideas are on these.  Thanks again all.         
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 20, 2012, 07:04:49 PM
P.S.  Do I win the prize for the longest post ever here on the MIAA board? :o ::) ;D :)  Holy cow!  I can't believe I even did all that! (And I didn't even venture a "fantasy" about what Calvin could do IF they end up deciding to add football!!!! :))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on January 20, 2012, 09:40:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 20, 2012, 07:04:49 PM
P.S.  Do I win the prize for the longest post ever here on the MIAA board? :o ::) ;D :)  Holy cow!  I can't believe I even did all that! (And I didn't even venture a "fantasy" about what Calvin could do IF they end up deciding to add football!!!! :))
YES. but always fun to read your posts. keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 20, 2012, 10:32:12 PM
newcardfan:
Thanks. Also, it is great to have you posting here on our board as well - I enjoy your opinions as well.  I occasionally venture over on your board and suspect we'll be doing more as well as the CCIW/MIAA Challenge continues this fall. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 20, 2012, 11:18:31 PM
Sac:

Those are some new threads for Kalamazoo since I last saw them, personally I like hose a lot better than the old ugly black with the two stripes (one orange one White) on the shoulder and down the pants.

Former:

About the wishing the scots jerseys had the "Alma College" in them, the home jerseys actually do say Alma College in the "Louisville" script which I think I mentioned earlier, (the Louisville part). Although the road whites simply say scots in the Louisville font.

Also about the olivet helmets. If I remember correctly they did use the Oregon "o" logo briefly in the early 2000's, I'll double check that in the morning though.

And finally, The Adrian helmets. I wish they would have kept the numbers that they used in the 2010 season for whatever anniversery that was. Those looked cool. That's sill my favorite thing about Alabama is that theyve kept the numbers...

Btw. Since were on this topic, Minnesota announced their 8 new jersey combos and helmets courtesy of Nike. I won't spoil the fun yet I'll let you guys try to build and image about what Nike did to gopher football, but I'll post the links to the release video and pics tomorrow.

I'll guarantee nobody correctly incisions this design from Nike. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 21, 2012, 12:53:45 AM
sflzman:

I agree with you about that particular Kazoo uniform.  Also, I can't quite recall if Olivet used simply the "O" in the early 2000s.  I should know and I think you are right, but I'm not sure.  I only clearly recall the "OC" and the Michigan "wings", however, as I mentioned, I did not like the former.  But, again, on second thought, I think you are right about them having used the Oregon "O".  They should go back to that, IMO. :D :), but use black facemasks and keep the helmet red. (and add a black helmet with black face masks with a red "O" perhaps outlined with small white borders? for away games - yet I doubt the administration there would spring for the extra $ to have two helmets. ??? :) - again, the DIII budgets just can't support that...unless one of Olivet's rich alumni springs for that like Mr. Cutler did for the new stadium and rest of the new Cutler Athletic Complex there).

As to Minnesota's new uni's, obviously, it appears they really have decided to make the commitment with trying to take the program to the next level, although that should not be surprising since they built the new on-campus stadium and the Kill hire (hopefully, he will be able to remain healthy).  However, while Nike has been the so-called leader in all this new era of wild uniform designs, starting with Oregon, I do hope that they kept the traditional Minnesota "M" and just dressed it up along with various color combos like Oregon's helmets or Arizona State's new ones, etc.  Yet, as you say, the rest of us will just have to wait and see.  When is Minnesota's athletic department going to unveil/present the new helmets/uniforms?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 21, 2012, 11:54:42 AM
Olivet did use the "O" from 2005-2006 according to the Helmet Project. It also had a little stripe with it.

Link is here: http://nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/

Minnesota Unis:

http://www.bringmethenews.com/2012/01/20/gophers-unveil-new-nike-designed-football-uniforms/

The new helmets are unvieled here too. I lvoe this look. A new school flare to these old school jerseys. The helmets say "ski-U-Mah", which is a Minnesota staple, the numbers are the font based on the 1940's national championship team, the numbers also have a brick pattern in them, which was the brick pattern from the old memorial stadium wall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 21, 2012, 12:25:30 PM
sflzman:
Excellent info!

1)  Indeed, Olivet used that Oregon type "O" in 2005-06 - you were right and I forgot (another of my "old age" moments! :)).  I'd like to see them go back to it as well as return to black facemasks.  BTW, I saw on "The Helmet Project"'s website, that the gentleman relates he has not ever received info on Alma's past helmets.  Perhaps in your spare time you (and/or "you know who" :o ::) ;D ;)) could send that in to them i.e. the old white helmets with maroon stripes, then Alma had gold helmets for a couple of years in the mid-70's before going to the maroon with the script (small subscript) "alma", then to the use of the "A".  They had white facemasks late 1980's until late 1970's when they switched to the black facemasks.  Just something else for you to do in "your spare time"! ;)

2) Also, nice new uniforms for Minnesota.  I am glad they kept the historic "M" design and the black facemasks (switched from dark maroon) look great.  And the brick pattern in the numbers is really neat - again just like Wisconsin's Rose Bowl petal design on their numbers and "W" helmet logo for this year's Rose Bowl game.  Although I am not a fan of Nike as a company (I'm currently an Adidas guy for obvious reasons ::) ;D), I do like their design department's new ideas for many of the colleges and universities new football helmets/uniforms.  Anyway, very neat for Minnesota.  At least they'll look better when they play Michigan and Michigan State here ;D :D (and sometimes Western or Central or Eastern). 

Thanks again for the all the info.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 21, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 20, 2012, 11:18:31 PM
Sac:

Those are some new threads for Kalamazoo since I last saw them, personally I like hose a lot better than the old ugly black with the two stripes (one orange one White) on the shoulder and down the pants.

K also wore these for home uniforms

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kzoo.edu%2Fsports%2Fimages%2Ffb%2Ffb09%2Fflahie_heitchue_murray_rw_cd2_11.jpg&hash=92dcd518c6183d768adeed078cd0303b1f46ffcc)


highlights of their game with Olivet, road uni's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7RlwCjlGso&context=C3629bfbADOEgsToPDskKVFIfGP6WNHLrc6FwGb1hW
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 22, 2012, 09:22:28 AM
formerd3db,

Great post! I am still reading and absorbing it all!!! :) ;D :) +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 22, 2012, 09:26:12 AM
How would you rate the MIAA's best stadiums? :) What schools have made the most improvements and which schools need to?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 22, 2012, 09:43:29 AM
Thank you Raider68:

One aspect I did forget to mention, and just to complete the historical perspective in regards to helmet logos, is that for one year (1977), Hope wore a large round circle helmet decal with that characature WWI Flying Dutchman football player grasping the football and wearing wooden shoes.  I hated that logo! :o ;D ;)  I think I posted this 3-4 years ago on here (or perhaps even longer before that), however, that year the players were allowed by Head Coach Ray Smith to have a contest to design/choose a new helmet logo to wear.  The 3 "finalist designs" were: the one that I mentioned above; the other two were "variations" of U of Michigan's "wing" - one with a pair of Dutch wooden shoes placed on the front so that the pointed portion of the shoe was in the position of looking like the wing i.e. kind of like the NFL Philadelphia Eagels or the Rice Owl's wing; the other was placing Hope's anchor i.e. a rather large one on the helmet from front to back (and on the top) so that the hooks of the anchor simulated the Michigan wings. :o :o ;D ;).   I think either of the last two would have been a "hoot" to wear, at least for that year and certainly much better than the animated Flying Dutchman - at least it would have been a real conversation piece around the league. ;D  ;D ;) :)

Going back to your stadium question Raider68.  I can't decide which ones I like best as they all have some great features as I mentioned.  In my post on those, I ranked them the best I could for my own picks, however, as you see, I had a couple of "ties" in the rankings.  I'll be interested to hear what some of the others say and how they rank the MIAA stadiums. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2012, 10:24:18 AM
From bottom to top...I will not rate Trines because I cannot do it without bias, having been seated on the home side and being able to take advantage of some of the comforts that afforded. :)

K-Zoo  This is the old one, I am sure the new will rank right up higher.  The visitor stands were scary.  I did like how some of the parking and tailgating was around the end zone.  I remember during one game a car behind the goal posts was hit at least twice by extra points.

Olivet  Seemed like it had no personality.  The visitor stands and field were nice, however.

Albion  I have not seen the new turf.  Just something about the setting that I liked.

Alma  A little more picturesque the way it sits in the campus

Adrian and Hope Tied...I like the bowl type setting.  I like how fans could sit around the field on the grass.  I do think Adrians reserved seating concept in the middle was a bad idea.  I remember one game in which the middle section had quite a few empty seats while both sides around the reserved section where jam packed. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 22, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
R.I.P. Joe Paterno. He passed away this morning from complications of lung cancer treatments  :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 22, 2012, 11:53:49 AM
Uncle Rico:
Nice assessment of the stadiums.

sflzman:
Yes, I just saw that also.  A shame.  Obviously, he was worse off than most likely was publically acknowledged the past 3 months since he was diagnosed with the disease.  Although it is a sad chapter on how his career ended this fall, it also sadly appears that he would not have been around for next season anyway due to this disease.  It will be interesting to see how the new board of trustees, president, etc., etc., at Penn State handle their public response to his passing, considering how they handled his dismissal and, for that matter, the entire sad and controversial process there.

BTW, I saw that former Albion College football great Ron Vanderlinden is being retained there as linebacker's coach by Penn State's new head coach.  IMO, that is good - Vanderlinden is a good man and a good coach.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 22, 2012, 12:50:54 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2012, 10:24:18 AM
From bottom to top...I will not rate Trines because I cannot do it without bias, having been seated on the home side and being able to take advantage of some of the comforts that afforded. :)

K-Zoo  This is the old one, I am sure the new will rank right up higher.  The visitor stands were scary.  I did like how some of the parking and tailgating was around the end zone.  I remember during one game a car behind the goal posts was hit at least twice by extra points.

Olivet  Seemed like it had no personality.  The visitor stands and field were nice, however.

Albion  I have not seen the new turf.  Just something about the setting that I liked.

Alma  A little more picturesque the way it sits in the campus

Adrian and Hope Tied...I like the bowl type setting.  I like how fans could sit around the field on the grass.  I do think Adrians reserved seating concept in the middle was a bad idea.  I remember one game in which the middle section had quite a few empty seats while both sides around the reserved section where jam packed.

I agree with most parts, I haven't been to Hope or Trine though so I can't really judge this one that well...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on January 22, 2012, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 22, 2012, 11:53:49 AM
Uncle Rico:
Nice assessment of the stadiums.

sflzman:
Yes, I just saw that also.  A shame.  Obviously, he was worse off than most likely was publically acknowledged the past 3 months since he was diagnosed with the disease.  Although it is a sad chapter on how his career ended this fall, it also sadly appears that he would not have been around for next season anyway due to this disease.  It will be interesting to see how the new board of trustees, president, etc., etc., at Penn State handle their public response to his passing, considering how they handled his dismissal and, for that matter, the entire sad and controversial process there.

BTW, I saw that former Albion College football great Ron Vanderlinden is being retained there as linebacker's coach by Penn State's new head coach.  IMO, that is good - Vanderlinden is a good man and a good coach.
Hopefully Penn State will publicly do right by the man. Unfortunately, IMHO I think his legacy will forever be tarnished.   On another note,formerd3db, it is too bad that NC will not be playing an MIAA school next season. We hit the West Region for the non-conf part of the schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 22, 2012, 03:59:10 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2012, 10:24:18 AM
From bottom to top...I will not rate Trines because I cannot do it without bias, having been seated on the home side and being able to take advantage of some of the comforts that afforded. :)

K-Zoo  This is the old one, I am sure the new will rank right up higher.  The visitor stands were scary.  I did like how some of the parking and tailgating was around the end zone.  I remember during one game a car behind the goal posts was hit at least twice by extra points.

Olivet  Seemed like it had no personality.  The visitor stands and field were nice, however.

Albion  I have not seen the new turf.  Just something about the setting that I liked.

Alma  A little more picturesque the way it sits in the campus

Adrian and Hope Tied...I like the bowl type setting.  I like how fans could sit around the field on the grass.  I do think Adrians reserved seating concept in the middle was a bad idea.  I remember one game in which the middle section had quite a few empty seats while both sides around the reserved section where jam packed. 



Uncle Rico,

Good post. I remember K-zoo's stadium, you needed to make sure your insurance policy was current before you went to a game! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 22, 2012, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on January 22, 2012, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 22, 2012, 11:53:49 AM

sflzman:
Yes, I just saw that also.  A shame.  Obviously, he was worse off than most likely was publically acknowledged the past 3 months since he was diagnosed with the disease.  Although it is a sad chapter on how his career ended this fall, it also sadly appears that he would not have been around for next season anyway due to this disease.  It will be interesting to see how the new board of trustees, president, etc., etc., at Penn State handle their public response to his passing, considering how they handled his dismissal and, for that matter, the entire sad and controversial process there.

On another note,formerd3db, it is too bad that NC will not be playing an MIAA school next season. We hit the West Region for the non-conf part of the schedule.

One ... after spending 38 years in ministry and tending to any number of terminallly ill parishioners, I can't help but think that Joe Pa's less than enviable ending at PSU might have contributed to his rapid demise.  We don't know how serious his case of lung cancer was, but I have seen a surprising number of folk battle through overwhelming odds to continue on longer than anyone expected.  Perhaps Joe Pa's firing ... given all the circumstances ... simply took the fight out of him.

Secondly ... congrats to the Cardinals on getting Redlands to venture away from the security of the west coast.  That might be worth a drive into Naperville just to see that game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on January 22, 2012, 07:14:06 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 22, 2012, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on January 22, 2012, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 22, 2012, 11:53:49 AM

sflzman:
Yes, I just saw that also.  A shame.  Obviously, he was worse off than most likely was publically acknowledged the past 3 months since he was diagnosed with the disease.  Although it is a sad chapter on how his career ended this fall, it also sadly appears that he would not have been around for next season anyway due to this disease.  It will be interesting to see how the new board of trustees, president, etc., etc., at Penn State handle their public response to his passing, considering how they handled his dismissal and, for that matter, the entire sad and controversial process there.

On another note,formerd3db, it is too bad that NC will not be playing an MIAA school next season. We hit the West Region for the non-conf part of the schedule.

One ... after spending 38 years in ministry and tending to any number of terminallly ill parishioners, I can't help but think that Joe Pa's less than enviable ending at PSU might have contributed to his rapid demise.  We don't know how serious his case of lung cancer was, but I have seen a surprising number of folk battle through overwhelming odds to continue on longer than anyone expected.  Perhaps Joe Pa's firing ... given all the circumstances ... simply took the fight out of him.

Secondly ... congrats to the Cardinals on getting Redlands to venture away from the security of the west coast.  That might be worth a drive into Naperville just to see that game.
I would agree with you on how quickly Joe Paterno went, but Penn State was his life and it is sad that what should have been a glorious send off to end the way it did. I would imagine that not being at State College was just too much for him to handle.   Secondly, hope you make it out to the Redlands game-should be a good one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 23, 2012, 12:55:31 AM
I had the pleasure of meeting Coach Psconda this past weekend, what a great conversation. I think we are going to see good things at Alma with him at the helm. He definitely has a plan and I for one can not wait to see how it pans out. (staying positive). He is very knowledgeable and I have it on good authority by a former player of his, who I coach with, that he is a hardnosed coach who will get the most out of his players. Good Luck Coach and let the fun begin.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 24, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on January 23, 2012, 12:55:31 AM
I had the pleasure of meeting Coach Psconda this past weekend, what a great conversation. I think we are going to see good things at Alma with him at the helm. He definitely has a plan and I for one can not wait to see how it pans out. (staying positive). He is very knowledgeable and I have it on good authority by a former player of his, who I coach with, that he is a hardnosed coach who will get the most out of his players. Good Luck Coach and let the fun begin.

Any hints on what he might be thinking for an offensive coordinator or any other existing staff changes?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 24, 2012, 05:09:14 PM
Nothing official yet but i believe that everyone listed as assistants on the Alma Football page is coming back in some form or other...What I was told is he is going to hire the best Coordinator out there and go from there. I guess we will have to wait and see but I loved his passion and desire to win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2012, 05:52:57 PM
I heard that on the way to Alma, Coach Psconda rescued a family from a burning building, helped a little old lady cross the street, and single-handedly rebuilt the leaky roof on the orphanage!    ;D ;D ;D ;D

I hope that everyone takes that comment as the joke it was meant to be!   :)

It sounds like exciting times for Alma.  A good coach coming in to the MIAA and the fan base excited for the future.  What more could you ask for?  Congrats to the Alma faithful.  I remember when Coach Land came to Trine, it really revitalized the spirit and it looks like the same can happen at Alma. 

I think K-Zoo got a positive bump a couple of years back with their new coach, and with the new facilities will be even more of a draw.

Hope getting a field make-over.

Don't overlook Olivet.  Although they don't have the number of posters on this forum like some of the other schools, and thus we don't hear as much, Pifer is bringing a good track record and I know his assistants Moose and Gator are good ones.

All this good stuff happening in the MIAA.  How are all these schools going to compete for the talent that is available?  How are the students going to make a decision with so much to choose from?  :) 

All that said, my feeling is that Trine will be the team to beat with their QB having another year under his belt!  Go Thunder!   :D




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 24, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on January 24, 2012, 05:09:14 PM
Nothing official yet but i believe that everyone listed as assistants on the Alma Football page is coming back in some form or other...What I was told is he is going to hire the best Coordinator out there and go from there. I guess we will have to wait and see but I loved his passion and desire to win.

I believe I posted this earlier, this is what my sources tell me: everyone who is under contract already will stay, and he will get to hire his own offensive coordinator and one or two assistants.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 24, 2012, 07:15:06 PM
sflzman,

Who will be Alma's greatest test next year, or will there be several? Has their schedule especially non-conference been published as yet? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 24, 2012, 07:28:32 PM
Alma 2012 schedule.   http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/schedule
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 25, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 24, 2012, 07:28:32 PM
Alma 2012 schedule.   http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/schedule


AlmaFan27,

Thanks for the link! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 25, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 24, 2012, 07:15:06 PM
sflzman,

Who will be Alma's greatest test next year, or will there be several? Has their schedule especially non-conference been published as yet? :)

IWU obviously is always a tough one. Heidelberg and Aurora should be wins if they take care of buisness, and I really don't know about Oshksosh, but seeing as theyre a WIAC school they'll probably be tough.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 25, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
I will preface this by acknowledging that I am a bit biased, as I have a 'vested interest' there.  But, Alma competed very well against the teams on their non-conference schedule last year.  All the non-league teams they lost to went on to have very respectable seasons.

I'm excited to see what the new change in coaching will bring.  They do lose some defensive players that brought a lot of stability and leadership.   Some new players are going to need to step up.  I think they have some kids that will play well.  I expect to see a much improved offense with the guys they have returning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 25, 2012, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 25, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
I will preface this by acknowledging that I am a bit biased, as I have a 'vested interest' there.  But, Alma competed very well against the teams on their non-conference schedule last year.  All the non-league teams they lost to went on to have very respectable seasons.

I'm excited to see what the new change in coaching will bring.  They do lose some defensive players that brought a lot of stability and leadership.   Some new players are going to need to step up.  I think they have some kids that will play well.  I expect to see a much improved offense with the guys they have returning.

I'm with you that I want this team to be good, but honestly I don't think it's going to happen. This, IMO, will be a "rebuilding" and a "transition" year.

The Scots lose so much from the team last year.

Defensively, they are losing 71% of tackles, 84% of sacks, 60% of interceptions,

Offensively the Scots lose 56% of their receiving yards, and half of their recieving yards. Plus, there were many throws from Leister that were only completions because Barak Henderson can straight up go get the ball.

While I'm hoping for the best, I see a 3-7 season, maybe 4-6 if they can play well...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on January 25, 2012, 10:50:40 PM
Sflzman:

Man I hope your wrong about the record. I know they lost a lot on the defensive side but they have some good recievers still and Tyler Watters caught everything thrown at him...I look for him to be the go to guy as well as "whoever" plays TE. I think if they go more balanced on offense it will definitlely help the defense, but like Alma27, I have a vested interest and I will admit I am very biased. Go  Scots!!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 26, 2012, 01:25:55 AM
Made my first trip down to Angola in a couple years.  Last time I was there, the football stadium was completely torn up and there was tons of construction around campus.  The campus looks terrific, they've done some nice things there.

The football stadium looks excellent, its certainly on the same level or past Adrian's depending on your preferences and likes......(home stands looking into the sun?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 26, 2012, 11:06:05 AM
Quote from: sac on January 26, 2012, 01:25:55 AM
Made my first trip down to Angola in a couple years.  Last time I was there, the football stadium was completely torn up and there was tons of construction around campus.  The campus looks terrific, they've done some nice things there.

The football stadium looks excellent, its certainly on the same level or past Adrian's depending on your preferences and likes......(home stands looking into the sun?)

Also, if you like vintage automobiles, Angola has that as well, There used to be a large car auction as well! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 26, 2012, 04:29:03 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 25, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 24, 2012, 07:15:06 PM
sflzman,

Who will be Alma's greatest test next year, or will there be several? Has their schedule especially non-conference been published as yet? :)

IWU obviously is always a tough one. Heidelberg and Aurora should be wins if they take care of buisness, and I really don't know about Oshksosh, but seeing as theyre a WIAC school they'll probably be tough.

sflzman,

UW-Osh will be a tough one for Alma. Heidelberg was 8-2 in the OAC, but not sure what they have returning for 2012! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
sflzman:
Just thought I'd mention a couple of aspects in response to your post.  While I hope that Alma does well this upcoming year (except against Hope obviously! ::) ;D :D ;) :)), I don't think you can consider the Heidelberg game an easy win for Alma this fall.  Although Alma didn't lose by much to them this past season, Heidelberg went on to finish strong in the OAC and, unless, they are losing a ton of players, from what I know in talking with some of the OAC'ers on the other board, Coach Hallett has that program on the continued rise.  So while I'm not saying Alma doesn't have a chance at winning that game, even thought it is at Alma, with Alma having a new coach as well as having to rebuild as you have outlined despite some returnees, I tend to believe that Heidelberg will beat them.  Of course, we'll all just have to wait and see what transpries on the field during that game obviously. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2012, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 26, 2012, 11:06:05 AM
Quote from: sac on January 26, 2012, 01:25:55 AM
Made my first trip down to Angola in a couple years.  Last time I was there, the football stadium was completely torn up and there was tons of construction around campus.  The campus looks terrific, they've done some nice things there.

The football stadium looks excellent, its certainly on the same level or past Adrian's depending on your preferences and likes......(home stands looking into the sun?)

Also, if you like vintage automobiles, Angola has that as well, There used to be a large car auction as well! :)

Although I am not from the area, I seem to remember that nearby Auburn Indiana (south of Angola) is a center for vintage cars as well.  I had some IT work for Cooper Tire down there MANY years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 26, 2012, 05:32:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 26, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
sflzman:
Just thought I'd mention a couple of aspects in response to your post.  While I hope that Alma does well this upcoming year (except against Hope obviously! ::) ;D :D ;) :)), I don't think you can consider the Heidelberg game an easy win for Alma this fall.  Although Alma didn't lose by much to them this past season, Heidelberg went on to finish strong in the OAC and, unless, they are losing a ton of players, from what I know in talking with some of the OAC'ers on the other board, Coach Hallett has that program on the continued rise.  So while I'm not saying Alma doesn't have a chance at winning that game, even thought it is at Alma, with Alma having a new coach as well as having to rebuild as you have outlined despite some returnees, I tend to believe that Heidelberg will beat them.  Of course, we'll all just have to wait and see what transpries on the field during that game obviously.

Yeah I should have said COULD be wins. In a later post though I did say that Alma would probably be 3-7, 4-6 if they're lucky. The 3 wins being Aurora, Olivet, and Kalamazoo, and the 4th being Heidelberg....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on January 26, 2012, 07:41:06 PM
Hi everyone, Hope all is good in Michigan. I did not know that UW-Oshkosh was traveling to Alma this next year... Thanks for the post.
Oshkosh finished the 2011 season second in the WIAC. There is a buzz going around that they picked up some great transfers at semester. Last year many thought that they would upset Whitewater. Whitewater ended up beating them by a field goal with seconds remaining. It was Whitewater's toughest game of the season. The current Ratings have Oshkosh 8th in D3.
Looking at Alma, I think they might surprise some people this year. They looked strong last year before the wheels fell off!
I hope your winter has been as mild as ours has been!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2012, 09:58:57 PM
According to SI.com, a very highly rated recruit has narrowed his choices to Michigan or Stanford, and commented that his choice of school had to have 'football tradition' and a good bio-engineering department (which sounds pretty promising from a student-athlete perspective!).  When a comment questioned the football tradition of Stanford, another poster defended them, saying Michigan-Stanford was the very first Rose Bowl game in 1902.

This tickled my funny bone as not a wise defense.  That game was so one sided that Stanford quit (down 49-0) in the third quarter, and the Rose Bowl dropped football (substituting chariot races, ostrich races, etc.) until 1916! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2012, 10:44:04 PM
wised3fan2:
We're all doing good here (as far as I know!).  Although I realize you were posting, in part, in talking to our Alma colleagues here, it is good to have you post again here, as you have periodically - thanks for dropping by on our board.  Also, I guess I had forgot that Oshkosh almost beat Whitewater this past fall.  Oshkosh may, indeed, be a power to be reckoned with this year.

Mr. Ypsi:
Good history post.  Also, any chance we can get together for another visit this fall when your IWU comes to our place at Hope?  Let's try to work something out - it was fun last year up at Ithaca before the Alma game.  I hope you are doing well. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 26, 2012, 10:44:04 PM
wised3fan2:
We're all doing good here (as far as I know!).  Although I realize you were posting, in part, in talking to our Alma colleagues here, it is good to have you post again here, as you have periodically - thanks for dropping by on our board.  Also, I guess I had forgot that Oshkosh almost beat Whitewater this past fall.  Oshkosh may, indeed, be a power to be reckoned with this year.

Mr. Ypsi:
Good history post.  Also, any chance we can get together for another visit this fall when your IWU comes to our place at Hope?  Let's try to work something out - it was fun last year up at Ithaca before the Alma game.  I hope you are doing well.

Way too far in the future to promise anything, but I would say it is likely.  Any time IWU ventures up to Michigan (fball or bball) I try to be there.  (After all, I always leave happy with a win! 8-) ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 27, 2012, 12:34:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2012, 09:58:57 PM
According to SI.com, a very highly rated recruit has narrowed his choices to Michigan or Stanford, and commented that his choice of school had to have 'football tradition' and a good bio-engineering department (which sounds pretty promising from a student-athlete perspective!).  When a comment questioned the football tradition of Stanford, another poster defended them, saying Michigan-Stanford was the very first Rose Bowl game in 1902.

This tickled my funny bone as not a wise defense.  That game was so one sided that Stanford quit (down 49-0) in the third quarter, and the Rose Bowl dropped football (substituting chariot races, ostrich races, etc.) until 1916! ;D

The recruit in question chose Stanford.  Seriously, how do you go wrong with those options?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2012, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: sac on January 27, 2012, 12:34:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2012, 09:58:57 PM
According to SI.com, a very highly rated recruit has narrowed his choices to Michigan or Stanford, and commented that his choice of school had to have 'football tradition' and a good bio-engineering department (which sounds pretty promising from a student-athlete perspective!).  When a comment questioned the football tradition of Stanford, another poster defended them, saying Michigan-Stanford was the very first Rose Bowl game in 1902.

This tickled my funny bone as not a wise defense.  That game was so one sided that Stanford quit (down 49-0) in the third quarter, and the Rose Bowl dropped football (substituting chariot races, ostrich races, etc.) until 1916! ;D

The recruit in question chose Stanford.  Seriously, how do you go wrong with those options?

Musta been the 1902 Rose Bowl - he wanted revenge! 8-) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on January 27, 2012, 01:53:11 PM
Former, Thanks for the post. I'm not sure how strong Oshkosh will be for I don't know who they loose to graduation. I have heard that Whitewater will field yet another very strong team.
I think it says a lot for the Alma program to seek out strong teams to play in the pre season. This should go a long way to prepare them for conference.
I would also like to give your Hope College a big Congrats on their great Baskeball Team. They are very impressive and I wish them all the luck in their remainder of the season!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 27, 2012, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 27, 2012, 01:53:11 PM
Former, Thanks for the post. I'm not sure how strong Oshkosh will be for I don't know who they loose to graduation. I have heard that Whitewater will field yet another very strong team.
I think it says a lot for the Alma program to seek out strong teams to play in the pre season. This should go a long way to prepare them for conference.
I would also like to give your Hope College a big Congrats on their great Baskeball Team. They are very impressive and I wish them all the luck in their remainder of the season!!!!

wisd3fan2,

UW-Osh returns their top notch QB Wara, but not sure how many return. UWW will be good again, but the question is who can fill in for Coppage and they also lose a good QB in Blanchard! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on January 27, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
Thanks Raider,
Good to hear Wara returns, I think UW-Osh will be trying to fill some very large shoes in All-Conference WR Fox however. As far as UW-WW I think they will find a replacement for Blanchard, but how in the world do you replace Coppage? With their huge depth they always seem to come up with who they need.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2012, 04:27:15 PM
"but how in the world do you replace Coppage?"  I'm sure the same question was raised when Beaver graduated! :P

By now UWW has certainly reached the plateau formerly held only by the Mount, where, no matter who graduates (or how many), the wise person just assumes they will somehow reload, not rebuild! 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 27, 2012, 06:07:34 PM
wised3fan2:
You are welcome and also thanks for the kind comments.  Hope looks like they are cruising right along and, barring an implosion or slightl late season slip, I think they'll make the DIII tournament once again.  However, the problem is, as you well know, is getting beyond those first round games.  As much as I love my alma mater and Hope is again a good team this year, IMO, they are not one of the better teams they've had in the last, say decade and a half that they've had before.  Hope played DI Western Michigan this year and got smashed and Western is not that good this year.  Had Hope played them with one of their better teams in past years (such as one of those teams that went far into the DIII tournament and/or their runner-up years in those national title years), I think they may have beaten Western.  Of course, I realize that is all speculation and conjecture, since it is difficult, if not impossible to realistically compare teams like that from various years.  Also, like in football, I've always said that Hope (and some of the MIAA teams) just do not play tougher non-conference competition in the early pre-season and IMO and some other people as well, that hurts them in the national tourney.  Of course, playing Western Michigan this year could perhaps be construed as within that philosophy, but again, it takes time i.e. some years of consistently playing tougher competition to start moving in the direction I'm talking about.  Also, again, the recruiting aspects with regards to DII hurts teams in our league - as some of us have discussed here in regards to football as well. Anyway, I do hope that Hope goes farther in the tournatment this year.  One other good aspect is that we again continue to lead NCAA Div III in home game attendance, so that is neat IMO.  As far as the remainder of the season, indeed, we'll just have to see what happens.

Mr. Ypsi:
Indeed, it is way too early perhaps for fall planning regarding the IWU/Hope football game, but anyway, let's keep it on the table. :D  When it gets closer, we'll see if that can work out in both our schedules.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 28, 2012, 09:56:27 AM
Quote from: sflzman on January 25, 2012, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on January 25, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
I will preface this by acknowledging that I am a bit biased, as I have a 'vested interest' there.  But, Alma competed very well against the teams on their non-conference schedule last year.  All the non-league teams they lost to went on to have very respectable seasons.

I'm excited to see what the new change in coaching will bring.  They do lose some defensive players that brought a lot of stability and leadership.   Some new players are going to need to step up.  I think they have some kids that will play well.  I expect to see a much improved offense with the guys they have returning.

I'm with you that I want this team to be good, but honestly I don't think it's going to happen. This, IMO, will be a "rebuilding" and a "transition" year.

The Scots lose so much from the team last year.

Defensively, they are losing 71% of tackles, 84% of sacks, 60% of interceptions,

Offensively the Scots lose 56% of their receiving yards, and half of their recieving yards. Plus, there were many throws from Leister that were only completions because Barak Henderson can straight up go get the ball.

While I'm hoping for the best, I see a 3-7 season, maybe 4-6 if they can play well...

The style of D Pscodna runs can make up for a lot of that inexperience.  It will be a stunt 4-3, lots of blitzes coming from all over the place with dline constantly twisting and moving. For younger teams that may lack the skills the scheme can make them better since they are moving around, key will be brains.  Got to play your role or you will get gashed.  Once they figure that out they will get nasty and they will get after it and bring pressure.  Offense will be a culture shock for alma alums, it all starts up front and get used to the term PTR cause you will now pound the rock!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 28, 2012, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2012, 04:27:15 PM
"but how in the world do you replace Coppage?"  I'm sure the same question was raised when Beaver graduated! :P

By now UWW has certainly reached the plateau formerly held only by the Mount, where, no matter who graduates (or how many), the wise person just assumes they will somehow reload, not rebuild! 8-)

Mr. Ypsi,

Agree that UWW has reached that plateau, but the Raiders are still there too! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 29, 2012, 12:56:07 PM
Any early indicators for Trine this fall? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on January 31, 2012, 02:46:33 PM
Raider, per current ratings this is where Trine sits,

They will come in underdogs to;
Taylor by 1
Elmhurst by 9
Alma by 3
Albion by 7
Adrian by 8
Hope by 2

Favored to;
Manchester by 18
Concordia WI by 13
Kalamazoo by 5
Olivet by 27            Home and Away has been figured in.
                            A 4 and 6 finish would be a great showing for Trine

In 2011 with  their best recruiting class ever they chose to retool. This was a year to rebuild. Fatal mistake by Coaching staff.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 31, 2012, 04:19:17 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 31, 2012, 02:46:33 PM
Raider, per current ratings this is where Trine sits,

They will come in underdogs to;
Taylor by 1
Elmhurst by 9
Alma by 3
Albion by 7
Adrian by 8
Hope by 2

Favored to;
Manchester by 18
Concordia WI by 13
Kalamazoo by 5
Olivet by 27            Home and Away has been figured in.
                            A 4 and 6 finish would be a great showing for Trine

In 2011 with  their best recruiting class ever they chose to retool. This was a year to rebuild. Fatal mistake by Coaching staff.


wisd3fan2,

Thanks for the analysis, but I am surprized that Trine could only be a 500 team this fall, Wow! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 31, 2012, 09:02:48 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on January 31, 2012, 04:19:17 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on January 31, 2012, 02:46:33 PM
Raider, per current ratings this is where Trine sits,

They will come in underdogs to;
Taylor by 1
Elmhurst by 9
Alma by 3
Albion by 7
Adrian by 8
Hope by 2

Favored to;
Manchester by 18
Concordia WI by 13
Kalamazoo by 5
Olivet by 27            Home and Away has been figured in.
                            A 4 and 6 finish would be a great showing for Trine

In 2011 with  their best recruiting class ever they chose to retool. This was a year to rebuild. Fatal mistake by Coaching staff.


wisd3fan2,

Thanks for the analysis, but I am surprized that Trine could only be a 500 team this fall, Wow! :)

wised3fan2:

I'm not disputing the ratings you put forth as not being legit (from whatever source), however, my own personal "gut feeling" is that I don't quite agree with those predictions in totality regarding Trine (for what it's worth i.e. my opinion ;D ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
I figure Trine will be at 7-3 at the very least, if not better.  I think they are returning more than they are losing from a 7-3 team last year.   I would be totally shocked if they finished 4-6.  From what I have heard there are positive coaching changes in store.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on February 01, 2012, 11:55:46 AM
The ratings I posted came from a close friend who is president of the No 1 rating house in the Nation. I do not think that Uncle Rico's post can be disputed. If you look at the spreads, they put Trine basically even with many of the teams they are playing. It was pointed out to me that most of the talent that Trine is loseing is not to graduation. The players are simply not buying in. Like Uncle Rico points out the break down in morale may get corrected by the coaching changes.
It was also pointed out that besides Trine's slip last year some of  the other teams in the MIAA have gained ground in Div 3. Albion played two games last year against WIAC teams and got destroyed in both. This was a good lesson as to the level of play that D3 has come to and should have a very positive effect on their play.
Div 3 football has improved more than any other level of football (including high school and Pro).
The ratings show Div 3 UWW is rated 4th in Div 2. Mount Union is 7th in Div 2. What does that tell ya? Highly recruited Div 3 players expect tough Coaching and Mentoring but also expect to be respected as men. In this age of Facebook, D3 Coaches need to rise up and coach like Div 1 coaches. What goes on in the locker rooms travels the airwaves like wild fire.
Coaches warn players about what is posted on Facebook. They better take that warning as well!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 01, 2012, 01:39:01 PM
Uncle Rico and wised3fan2:

Good posts, both of you.  As I mentioned, I find it very difficult to think that Trine would be a 4-6 team next year.  Barring an implosion, I don't see that happening.  As to the non-conference competition, I think that the MIAA is starting to make some small strides in getting back to near where they were in regards to that several years ago.  At the same time, as you mentioned about Albion, although they seemed to improve in MIAA play each game as the season went on, I just did not think they were that great of team overall and, thus, it did not surprise me that they were smashed by the WIAC teams.  That is just my opinion after seeing them play and comparing their overall performance, yet at the same time, it is not because I am not an Albion fan and that they just happen to be one of our most intense rivalries.  In addition, I was rooting for them in the playoffs because I have always rooted for our MIAA representative in the playoffs (and will continue to do so) regardless of which college that is.  All that said, I do hope that our MIAA teams will continue to improve next fall in the non-conference portions of their seasons.  We have to, obviously, to be able to compete in the playoffs.  Aside from winning the league title, which is always the first priority, just making it to the playoffs now just doesn't quite suffice (even though via the AQ, that is obainable for any one of the schools). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on February 01, 2012, 05:33:39 PM
I think in regards to Trine having a successful season, it goes back to what one considers "success". Will Trine be competitive, I have no doubts. Will then win 7 games? Who knows. Will they win the MIAA - I doubt it. Will they make the playoffs if they don't win the conference? No.  If they made the playoffs would they advance real far? No. Are they national championship contenders? Not close.

I don't see this upcoming season being much different then last season. While I think the coaching staff makes a difference, you also go as far as your talent takes you. And I don't think Trine's talent level will be all that different this year. So I don't expect much of a difference performance wise.

Is that "success"? Well I suppose so, as long as you don't define success the same way the elite programs of D3 do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 01, 2012, 05:34:42 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
I figure Trine will be at 7-3 at the very least, if not better.  I think they are returning more than they are losing from a 7-3 team last year.   I would be totally shocked if they finished 4-6.  From what I have heard there are positive coaching changes in store.

Uncle Rico,

You are much closer to predicting how Trine may or not perform, and think you are target! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2012, 08:49:29 PM
Couldn't agree more, Thunderhead, regarding the definition of success.  For me, in order for Trine to be successfull, they need to win the MIAA and at least a couple of games in the playoffs.  Once you have reached a certain level you can't be happy taking any steps backward.  I think the coaches are very competitive and proud (aren't they all?). 

I think this coming years team will be hungry, and hopefully play with a chip on their shoulder, with an attitude.  The seniors from the team of 2 years ago worked for everything they had and raised that level of expectation.  Now that the team has faced a little bit of adversity I hope they respond with a fire in their gut.    Attitude means alot, and I am optimistic that the passion will be there. 

(have I missed any cliches or did I get them all?   :)  )
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 01, 2012, 11:03:25 PM
Good analysis and personal predictions/opinions, you guys re: Trine.  And Uncle Rico, using cliches is fine with me - I think they are great - that's what they're for! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2012, 11:46:56 PM
Generally speaking (there are exceptions ;)), cliches only become cliches because they are USUALLY true. ;D

My favorite exception (for managers/coaches, not players) is "one game at a time".  Particularly for fast-paced sports like MLB or basketball (if a next-day game), you damn well better be thinking beyond just this game! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 02, 2012, 05:39:23 PM
How will Adrian and Albion perform this fall, who will be better and who returns the most talent? :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 02, 2012, 06:09:34 PM
Good points Mr. Ypsi! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on February 02, 2012, 10:06:28 PM
Raider,

Albion favored;
Defiance by24
Benedictine by18
Trine by 1
Kalamazoo by14
Alma by 11
Olivet by 26
Adrian by1
Hope by9

Underdog
Wheaton by 15
Central Iowa by 4        Home and away figured in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 02, 2012, 10:33:52 PM
wised3fan2:

Nice ratings, although I'm not sure I buy the ones mentioned regarding Trine, Adrian and Hope. ;)  Just because Albion won the league title this year and most likely will be the pre-season favorite (following the usual tradition in regards to the MIAA), I'm not convinced they will be the team to run away with the title.  I think the above 3 will be in a tight race as well.  Of course, we all know that anything goes, especially in the middle of the league season as the games progress.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on February 03, 2012, 11:17:49 AM
Former     I think your totally right. I think that the ratings listed also agree with you. Look at the spreads. I think they point out that all the games you mention could go either way. Your feel for whats going on in the MIAA seems to be right on. Thanks for the post 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 03, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
wised3fan2:

Thank you.  Indeed, while I obviously don't know the specifics of those other teams in regards to returnees, etc. (other than what our colleagues here share with us from what they know), again, I just sense that those teams will be in the hot mix.  I'm just basing my opinion on that in regards to a) historically, we all know that the MIAA race has been like that the past decade or so and b) from what I observed in seeing those teams play against us (Hope) this past fall, although I obviously realize that such past performance of the year before doesn't necessary mean anything is guaranteed in regards to a win against that particular team again the next year, even if a team has a lot of returning players.  I admit that I am an "illiterate" when it comes to understanding some of these rating systems, thus, again, having been around the MIAA for quite some time, I guess I've always essentially just based my opinions on what I've observed and that good old "gut feeling", although as we all realize, anything can happen and surprises do each year in the league.  And...I also hope that no one took my post as simply being due to any sense that I don't care for Albion!  Obviously, they are not my favorite for obvious reasons :o  ;D ;) the rivalry notwithstanding!  Yet, I just think those 4 teams will be pretty close, although I certainly could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 03, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
I for one, think the discussions here lately have really been great during the normally slow off-season.! :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 03, 2012, 02:48:03 PM
Raider68:
I have to agree with you on that.  At the same time, you have been responsible for contributing to that yourself both here as well as over on your OAC board. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on February 03, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
Raider, I once again agree with former, your posts have really helped in generating good conversation. If you find a little time, can you fill us in on any news about Mount? I think we all know that they will be fielding yet another powerhouse team. Who are the key replacements? Any coaching changes. The game against UWW could have gone either way, Any news on that?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 03, 2012, 05:45:36 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on February 03, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
Raider, I once again agree with former, your posts have really helped in generating good conversation. If you find a little time, can you fill us in on any news about Mount? I think we all know that they will be fielding yet another powerhouse team. Who are the key replacements? Any coaching changes. The game against UWW could have gone either way, Any news on that?


wisd3fan2,

Here is a first response to your question on the Raiders this fall. I will have more info, but below is the work of a OAC colleague ( K & J's Dad)

Time for my Annual Review of the Two Deep Stagg Bowl Depth Chart for Mount Union:

Offense 1st Team:
2 Seniors - RG Ekkens, WR Brown
9 Juniors - WR Collins, WR Moore, LT Tate, LG Mattox, C Knisely, RT Forbus, QB Piloto, FB Simon, HB Murray

Offense 2nd Team:
2 Seniors - C Ekkens, FB Ryder
6 Juniors - WR Denton, WR Stewart, WR Mathie, RT Modrak, QB Seaman, HB Skilliter
2 Sophomores - LG Goble, RG Winn
1 Freshman - LT Goff

Defense 1st Team:
5 Seniors - DE Favazzo, LB Smith, LB Carbonell, FS Ferrara, CB Jordan
5 Juniors - CB Scott, SS Driskill, S Nicholls, DE Dieuseul, DT Orteca
1 Sophomore - DT Fechko

Defense 2nd Team:
2 Seniors - FS West, CB, Alwardt
5 Juniors - SS Riley, S Briggs, DT Modrak, LB Teague, LB Allen
2 Sophomores - CB  Woodard, DE Thomas
2 Freshman - DE Rosalva, DE Mahoney

More losses on Defense (Both starting LBs, 1st and 2nd Team FS, and 1st and 2nd Team CB) than Offense (Starting RG (and backup C) Ekkens and WR Brown).  If Piloto can eliminate mistakes and/or Seaman stay healthy for the entire year, it looks like the Offense will be stacked next year.

Defense will still have Scott, Driskill, Dieseul returning for Senior Leadership, and I'm sure the rest will be ready to step up make their own mark for the Raiders.

I don't know if any of the Seniors have eligibility left, but looks like another reloading year.  The Future is Bright! :)

A new Offensive line coach (former Mount Player) Coach Dartt who came from Wheaton (They did not want to lose him)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on February 03, 2012, 09:50:47 PM
Raider, Awesome post. A very clear summary. Seems that Mount will be very tough to beat.
Thanks so much for your time! 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 04, 2012, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on February 03, 2012, 09:50:47 PM
Raider, Awesome post. A very clear summary. Seems that Mount will be very tough to beat.
Thanks so much for your time! 8-)

wisd3fan,

For the Raiders in 2012, the first priority will be to win the OAC. B-W and Heidelberg will again be strong and I expect Coach Paul will have ONU improved over last year. The Raiders will have some top talent coming in as freshman as well as the returning starters and two-deep players back. The question that has been talked about alot on the OAC board is which QB will have the leadership role, Piloto and Seaman are both seniors with Burke and Nadar both sophs, so will we see.

The Raiders have the skill players, but IMHO, they have not brought in top lineman lately. The reason is primarily due to those top lineman electing to go to D2 scholarship schools. However, the Raider reputation over the last 20 years and 10 National titles always brings in the best of what is available. We will know in the next few weeks how they do in recruiting like the rest of the D3 schools! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on February 05, 2012, 01:21:05 PM
So Raider, Whats your feelings about the QB's. Whats the dynamic?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 05, 2012, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on February 05, 2012, 01:21:05 PM
So Raider, Whats your feelings about the QB's. Whats the dynamic?

wisd3fan2,

Not sure how it will work out. Many observers believe the lack of good QB play in the last two Stagg
Bowls cost the Raiders the title. I agree that may have been the case in 2011, I do not think so in 2010.
UWW played a better game in 2010 and while the lack of QB play contributed, UWW was just better across both sides of the line scrimmage. In 2011, the teams played pretty even, a key turnover on the one yard line by the Raider QB turned out to be the difference in a 13-10 game.

With two returning seniors who played most of the last two years, Coach Kehres has a decision to make. IMHO, this fall he will go with the QB who shows the most and will not care if it is a sophomore vs. a senior. The last two years, the returning seniors had their chance, so give to the player who comes in and takes control and leads this team to a potential Stagg Bowl victory if the Raider get there. We'll see! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on February 06, 2012, 04:53:37 PM
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x720908727/Nathan-Ricketts-Holland-High-football-player-picks-Central-Michigan-University

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 07, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
Wonder which MIAA school will have the best fall recruits? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2012, 06:50:21 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on February 07, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
Wonder which MIAA school will have the best fall recruits? :-\

So do I! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: John 316 on February 07, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
Hopefully one that will go on to win the Division III Championship!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 08, 2012, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: John 316 on February 07, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
Hopefully one that will go on to win the Division III Championship!  ;)

A school has to set goals, but winning the conference comes first! IMHO :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on February 09, 2012, 02:31:57 PM
The athletic fields at K are coming along nicely...

http://tinyurl.com/7orshzn (http://tinyurl.com/7orshzn)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 10, 2012, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Stinger on February 09, 2012, 02:31:57 PM
The athletic fields at K are coming along nicely...

http://tinyurl.com/7orshzn (http://tinyurl.com/7orshzn)

Looking great so far!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 10, 2012, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: Stinger on February 09, 2012, 02:31:57 PM
The athletic fields at K are coming along nicely...

http://tinyurl.com/7orshzn (http://tinyurl.com/7orshzn)

Stinger,

Looks good, thanks for the link! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderHead on February 15, 2012, 08:55:00 PM
Hey everyone, hope you're all doing well.

Love this story, though I would pass it along. I'm not a Jayhawk or PowerCat, but I love the loyalty out of this little tot.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/kindergarten-k-state-fan-refuses-color-jayhawk-mascot-170922025.html

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on February 15, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: ThunderHead on February 15, 2012, 08:55:00 PM
Hey everyone, hope you're all doing well.

Love this story, though I would pass it along. I'm not a Jayhawk or PowerCat, but I love the loyalty out of this little tot.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/kindergarten-k-state-fan-refuses-color-jayhawk-mascot-170922025.html
Ha Ha! What a great story!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 17, 2012, 04:28:38 PM
Anyone have any news on the MIAA recruits? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 17, 2012, 04:42:43 PM
Indeed, ThunderHead, that is a great story and a funny one as well. :)  At least, however, the child's mother has sense enough (and the integrity/fortitude) to teach her little one the importance of following the established and accepted rules, authority, common courtesy and manners (i.e. apologizing to the teacher), even if one doesn't like or agree with those parameters in a particular situation. Like the article mentioned, whether that takes or not in the future for that little girl remains to be seen.  Yet, I hope her mother continues to "stay the course" in that regard.  Anyway, thanks for sharing that.

BTW, on an entirely different topic, I was just wondering what you all think about these various conference changes by many of the DIII schools?  Since my return from being gone for several days, I've been reading and catching up on all the DIII news here in the front web page articles.  Perhaps Pat can enlighten us more on some of this, however, I am curious as to why some of these schools, like Texas Southern and Christopher Newport and some of the other mentioned southern schools would leave conferences where they have the AQ for their football teams, to ones that did not?  I can understand the $ savings in travel for the other sports, yet at the same time, it seems to me that if you are pledging/plunging a ton of $ into your football program and/or adding new or reinstating long dormant programs such as Southwestern, LaGrange, CNU did, just to name a few, why would you go to a conference that had only 3 or 4 football playing schools?  I did not see in the articles in the "Conference Shuffle" where some of the other schools in the new conferences that these schools are joining have any plans to add football programs.  Seems to me that for a fledging football program that any college is trying to build, having to compete for an at-large (i.e. Pool C) bid will be very tough/challenging.  I realize that some people might counter that football is not the only issue here, but at the same time, it is for those of us in which that sport is the most favorite and especially since this is a football website. On the other hand, most likely those college administrators see more "positives" overall for their schools in many areas outweighing the "negatives" than I do.  But then, what do I know?...I'm just a dumb-former football player! ;D :D :o ::) :) ;)  Any additional info (or opinions) that any of you and/or Pat can share with us on all that? Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 20, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 17, 2012, 04:42:43 PM
Indeed, ThunderHead, that is a great story and a funny one as well. :)  At least, however, the child's mother has sense enough (and the integrity/fortitude) to teach her little one the importance of following the established and accepted rules, authority, common courtesy and manners (i.e. apologizing to the teacher), even if one doesn't like or agree with those parameters in a particular situation. Like the article mentioned, whether that takes or not in the future for that little girl remains to be seen.  Yet, I hope her mother continues to "stay the course" in that regard.  Anyway, thanks for sharing that.

BTW, on an entirely different topic, I was just wondering what you all think about these various conference changes by many of the DIII schools?  Since my return from being gone for several days, I've been reading and catching up on all the DIII news here in the front web page articles.  Perhaps Pat can enlighten us more on some of this, however, I am curious as to why some of these schools, like Texas Southern and Christopher Newport and some of the other mentioned southern schools would leave conferences where they have the AQ for their football teams, to ones that did not?  I can understand the $ savings in travel for the other sports, yet at the same time, it seems to me that if you are pledging/plunging a ton of $ into your football program and/or adding new or reinstating long dormant programs such as Southwestern, LaGrange, CNU did, just to name a few, why would you go to a conference that had only 3 or 4 football playing schools?  I did not see in the articles in the "Conference Shuffle" where some of the other schools in the new conferences that these schools are joining have any plans to add football programs.  Seems to me that for a fledging football program that any college is trying to build, having to compete for an at-large (i.e. Pool C) bid will be very tough/challenging.  I realize that some people might counter that football is not the only issue here, but at the same time, it is for those of us in which that sport is the most favorite and especially since this is a football website. On the other hand, most likely those college administrators see more "positives" overall for their schools in many areas outweighing the "negatives" than I do.  But then, what do I know?...I'm just a dumb-former football player! ;D :D :o ::) :) ;)  Any additional info (or opinions) that any of you and/or Pat can share with us on all that? Thanks.


formerd3db,

I agree and think the D3 schools leaving conferences makes little sense to me, unless the AD's at those schools have other athletics teams that dictate that a conference change or none at all makes sense for the school. IMHO, I just do not see the upside! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 20, 2012, 06:10:32 PM
Yes, Raider68, I just can't figure that one out either.  Obviously, those ADs know something we don't.  ;)  So now, I don't want to hear any crying about those teams that moved into a conference and then didn't get a Pool C bid! ;D ::) ;) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 20, 2012, 06:24:00 PM
I read this from a very reliable source; rumor has it that OC_SID's birthday was this past weekend.  So everyone please join me in wishing our friend - a belated happy birthday to you, OC_SID!  The additional good thing about that OC_SID is you are still very able to "count those" (and will continue to do so for a very long time yet) while someone like me just "celebrates" those anymore! :) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on February 20, 2012, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 20, 2012, 06:10:32 PM
Yes, Raider68, I just can't figure that one out either.  Obviously, those ADs know something we don't.  ;)  So now, I don't want to hear any crying about those teams that moved into a conference and then didn't get a Pool C bid! ;D ::) ;) :)
There is no crying in football former    but maybe they have a case of"the grass is always greener. . ."syndrome :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 20, 2012, 08:45:48 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on February 20, 2012, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 20, 2012, 06:10:32 PM
Yes, Raider68, I just can't figure that one out either.  Obviously, those ADs know something we don't.  ;)  So now, I don't want to hear any crying about those teams that moved into a conference and then didn't get a Pool C bid! ;D ::) ;) :)
There is no crying in football former    but maybe they have a case of"the grass is always greener. . ."syndrome :) :)

I think you are right!  ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on February 21, 2012, 08:03:45 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 20, 2012, 08:45:48 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on February 20, 2012, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 20, 2012, 06:10:32 PM
Yes, Raider68, I just can't figure that one out either.  Obviously, those ADs know something we don't.  ;)  So now, I don't want to hear any crying about those teams that moved into a conference and then didn't get a Pool C bid! ;D ::) ;) :)
There is no crying in football former    but maybe they have a case of"the grass is always greener. . ."syndrome :) :)

I think you are right!  ;D :)

There's always a first time for everything! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 21, 2012, 09:31:41 PM
Don't know if I'd missed this, or if no-one had posted it, but John Lewis is going to become the OC at Alma, and they've hired the former Defiance defensive coordinator as the new DC
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 21, 2012, 09:41:56 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 21, 2012, 09:31:41 PM
Don't know if I'd missed this, or if no-one had posted it, but John Lewis is going to become the OC at Alma, and they've hired the former Defiance defensive coordinator as the new DC

sflzman,

What is your take on these additions to Alma? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 21, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
sflzman and Raider68:
Interesting, although there is nothing on the Alma football website that mentions those changes at this time.  It is interesting as there apparently have been some changes at Defiance with their new head coach there assembling a new staff as Olmy Olmstead, who played at Wabash and has been a graduate assistant at Eastern Michigan University the past 3 seasons (after being a graduate assistant at the OAC's Wilmington College for a couple of seasons prior to that right after he graduated from Wabash), has joined Defiance as an assistant coach according to that school's football website.  Apparently, Olmstead got tired of being a graduate assistant. ;)

Anywway, that should be fine for Lewis at Alma because he was running backs coach there for a few years as well as has helped Leister with the offense for a long time before becoming the defensive coordinator the past couple of years or so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on February 22, 2012, 12:19:46 PM
Pretty sure it wasn't the move that Lewis initially wanted but, as mentioned, he does have some experience on that side of the ball.  My sources suggest that even though change is difficult, they like what they've seen so far with the new (and existing) staff.  They've been focused pretty hard on strength and conditioning, looking forward to some spring practice.

I look forward to what the fall will bring. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on February 22, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 21, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
sflzman and Raider68:
Interesting, although there is nothing on the Alma football website that mentions those changes at this time. 

I've found the Alma football website to be a dismal venue for information.  In today's world, a good website can help as a recruiting tool.  There is a real opportunity for improvement there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 22, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on February 22, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 21, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
sflzman and Raider68:
Interesting, although there is nothing on the Alma football website that mentions those changes at this time. 

I've found the Alma football website to be a dismal venue for information.  In today's world, a good website can help as a recruiting tool.  There is a real opportunity for improvement there.

Word is alma will be launhing a new athletics website this fall. It should be similar to the Redlands of California, but unique as there is only one alma as far as what I am hearing. That should be a much better way to do things...

You also have to look at it from a coach's point of view. If you're announcing every move you make coaching wise and every recruit you get, that's a huge tip for opposing coahes. That is why they usually wait to unveil hinge until it is absolutely necessary in some cases. For instance, I'm sure you have noticed, alma and hope I think is the other one, release rosters without freshman when the teams open camp, and then a week or so in full rosters come out... 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 22, 2012, 10:45:50 PM
As far as my thoughts on the move.

The guy coming in has a great resume (it's driving me nuts that I can't remember his name) and definately has the credentials to be defensive coordinator here. Lewis was the OC at defiance back before he came to alma if I recall correctly, and I think it will be an interesting, but good change.

Overall I think the guys that are being brought in, and the recruits that I've seen touring he halls of the Hogan Center look to be like this thing is moving forward (much like a toyota ;D ) and will hopefully be turned around in the future..
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 23, 2012, 06:44:03 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 22, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on February 22, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 21, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
sflzman and Raider68:
Interesting, although there is nothing on the Alma football website that mentions those changes at this time. 

I've found the Alma football website to be a dismal venue for information.  In today's world, a good website can help as a recruiting tool.  There is a real opportunity for improvement there.

Word is alma will be launhing a new athletics website this fall. It should be similar to the Redlands of California, but unique as there is only one alma as far as what I am hearing. That should be a much better way to do things...

You also have to look at it from a coach's point of view. If you're announcing every move you make coaching wise and every recruit you get, that's a huge tip for opposing coahes. That is why they usually wait to unveil hinge until it is absolutely necessary in some cases. For instance, I'm sure you have noticed, alma and hope I think is the other one, release rosters without freshman when the teams open camp, and then a week or so in full rosters come out...

A suggestion to the web developer, ditch the sport icons and just use a words menu.  Those icons are terrible.

http://www.goredlands.com/landing/index
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 23, 2012, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: sac on February 23, 2012, 06:44:03 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 22, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on February 22, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 21, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
sflzman and Raider68:
Interesting, although there is nothing on the Alma football website that mentions those changes at this time. 

I've found the Alma football website to be a dismal venue for information.  In today's world, a good website can help as a recruiting tool.  There is a real opportunity for improvement there.

Word is alma will be launhing a new athletics website this fall. It should be similar to the Redlands of California, but unique as there is only one alma as far as what I am hearing. That should be a much better way to do things...

You also have to look at it from a coach's point of view. If you're announcing every move you make coaching wise and every recruit you get, that's a huge tip for opposing coahes. That is why they usually wait to unveil hinge until it is absolutely necessary in some cases. For instance, I'm sure you have noticed, alma and hope I think is the other one, release rosters without freshman when the teams open camp, and then a week or so in full rosters come out...

A suggestion to the web developer, ditch the sport icons and just use a words menu.  Those icons are terrible.

http://www.goredlands.com/landing/index

You don't like that?  That's actually my favorite part of the Redlands design.  Then when you scroll the mouse over each icon, a mini menu pops up with links to roster, schedule, etc. and it also says the name of the sport there.  I believe it also shows a team picture on the Redlands site too.  Personally I thought that was really cool the first time I saw it, and it's unique, new, modern, and different....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 23, 2012, 08:40:40 PM
Its unnecessary fluff, drop down menu would work just fine.  I don't wish to learn the international symbols for 12 sports I don't care about. ;)


I'm sure I visit more D3 sites than a lot people, but simple and easy to navigate is a lot better than pretty.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 23, 2012, 10:38:30 PM
Quote from: sac on February 23, 2012, 08:40:40 PM
Its unnecessary fluff, drop down menu would work just fine.  I don't wish to learn the international symbols for 12 sports I don't care about. ;)


I'm sure I visit more D3 sites than a lot people, but simple and easy to navigate is a lot better than pretty.

And see that's where I disagree with you there.

I think this is more navigable than dropdowns. With dropdowns you have to have the mouse over sports (which some less computer savy people can't figure out since they just want to click everything) then once the menu drops down you have to figure out if it's organized by mens womens season and then once you're there you still have to navigate through dropdowns on the individual sports page. With the Redlands design you simply can click your sport, or go to the individual sport and go right to the roster for example, and not have to go tithe sport's main page first.

Just my opinion of course. Anyone else have opinions on this? Compared to maybe http://www.olivetcomets.com or http://www.adrianbulldogs.com which are both nicely designed sites utilizing dropdowns (Adrian a little flashier and clustered, olivet going for the simple classic look)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 24, 2012, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 22, 2012, 10:45:50 PM
As far as my thoughts on the move.

The guy coming in has a great resume (it's driving me nuts that I can't remember his name) and definately has the credentials to be defensive coordinator here. Lewis was the OC at defiance back before he came to alma if I recall correctly, and I think it will be an interesting, but good change.

Overall I think the guys that are being brought in, and the recruits that I've seen touring he halls of the Hogan Center look to be like this thing is moving forward (much like a toyota ;D ) and will hopefully be turned around in the future..

sflzman,

Thanks for your input. I guess we'll see how these coaching changes affect the team this fall! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on February 27, 2012, 12:26:13 AM
Well my "vested interest" is home for Spring Break and day one he was already talking about how jacked up he is for spring practice. That is a very pleasant surprise. He says they have been working hard and that the coaches want to be sucessful immediately. I would not expect anything less and I am glad they are setting the bar and no looking for a free pass. there is alot of talent on Alma's team and I am anxious to see how Coach P's influence translates to the gridiron. GO ALMA!!!

I have it on good authority that Lewis was more than pleased to move back to the offensive side of the ball. Looking forward to some smash mouth football ha ha
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 27, 2012, 11:45:01 AM
sflzman and AlmaFan:

Although this pertains to bb, as sflzman mentioned that Alma had some 600+ crowds for their last recent home bb games, I guess that is pretty good given the enrollment of the college itself.  It must have been neat to see that as you described the atmosphere in Smith Arena.  That said, I think that somehow, Alma needs to get the general Alma community more in support of the games similar to that which Hope has had with the Holland community for decades.  Of course, I realize that means, in part, putting a team on the floor that will be more successful in the "W" column than Alma has for a long time (i.e. returning to their better teams (and great teams in regards to Alma's entire bb history) of the late '70's, early '80's.  Yet, I can't imagine the college can't somehow get some type of campaign and promotions to get some of the townspeople out for some of the home games, including some of the older folks :D- the latter like bb - at least they do in Holland. ;D :D ;)

I would also like to see that for football.  They need to get more in the stands at home games.  With the "new" direction this fall, perhaps that will happen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on February 27, 2012, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 27, 2012, 11:45:01 AM
sflzman and AlmaFan:

Although this pertains to bb, as sflzman mentioned that Alma had some 600+ crowds for their last recent home bb games, I guess that is pretty good given the enrollment of the college itself.  It must have been neat to see that as you described the atmosphere in Smith Arena.  That said, I think that somehow, Alma needs to get the general Alma community more in support of the games similar to that which Hope has had with the Holland community for decades.  Of course, I realize that means, in part, putting a team on the floor that will be more successful in the "W" column than Alma has for a long time (i.e. returning to their better teams (and great teams in regards to Alma's entire bb history) of the late '70's, early '80's.  Yet, I can't imagine the college can't somehow get some type of campaign and promotions to get some of the townspeople out for some of the home games, including some of the older folks :D- the latter like bb - at least they do in Holland. ;D :D ;)

I would also like to see that for football.  They need to get more in the stands at home games.  With the "new" direction this fall, perhaps that will happen.

formerd3db,

Regarding attendance, I wonder how a school's attendance improved after winning the MIAA conference title. Winning titles does, in fact, increase interest in most programs and  all sports. Trine, won a few titles in the last few years, so the Trine posters have knowledge about  attendance figures after winning titles. The other side of it as you point out, is the efforts by the school to promote local involvement. :) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on February 27, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 27, 2012, 11:45:01 AM
sflzman and AlmaFan:

Although this pertains to bb, as sflzman mentioned that Alma had some 600+ crowds for their last recent home bb games, I guess that is pretty good given the enrollment of the college itself.  It must have been neat to see that as you described the atmosphere in Smith Arena.  That said, I think that somehow, Alma needs to get the general Alma community more in support of the games similar to that which Hope has had with the Holland community for decades.  Of course, I realize that means, in part, putting a team on the floor that will be more successful in the "W" column than Alma has for a long time (i.e. returning to their better teams (and great teams in regards to Alma's entire bb history) of the late '70's, early '80's.  Yet, I can't imagine the college can't somehow get some type of campaign and promotions to get some of the townspeople out for some of the home games, including some of the older folks :D- the latter like bb - at least they do in Holland. ;D :D ;)

I would also like to see that for football.  They need to get more in the stands at home games.  With the "new" direction this fall, perhaps that will happen.

I think that Hope is a little different animal, especially as it relates to other MIAA schools.  Clearly, Hope is surrounded by a larger community in general, not to mention the Hope alumini that remain in the area.  Relative to basketball, when you sit in DeVos for game, it's clear to see that a game is an 'event' for many of the people in the stands.  There is very strong community support.  I suspect winning has a lot to do with the attendance level.

I believe the same holds true for football at Hope.  There are strong community ties...within a larger community.  That simply translates into more fans in the stands.  Winning also has an effect there too, as the crowds fluctuate in size, based on how the football team is doing.

I've always been pleasantly surprised by the attendance at an Alma home game.  I've also seen the stands clear after halftime, based on the progress of the game.  While the size of the Alma community is much smaller than Holland, I do think there are opportunities to grow the fan base.  Again, winning would seem to have a positive effect too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 27, 2012, 01:14:09 PM
Raider68 and AlmaFan:

In regards to basketball in our MIAA, that is difficult to assess because Hope and Calvin have been the dominant teams winning the titles over the last several years and decades and as noted, these schools have a huge following in regards to that anyway.  So the fluctuance in attendance with regard to which years they win the title and those in which they do not,  is a little difficult to evaluate I believe as far as to any significant statistical degree (although I admit I am not a mathmatical theory guy - I didn't do well with those courses at Hope :o ;D...well, actually I did in Calculus and Algebra, "acing" both of those courses there by reason of pure rote memory only, that math all of which was long gone and out the door shortly after graduation!! :o ::) :), at least for my purposes in life!!!)  Of course, Hope has led DIII in bb attendance since DeVos was built and...has higher attendance than some DI schools for those believe it or not).

On the other hand, as you guys point out, football is a little different in regards to the winning and the community following.  I agree with you that winning titles certainly elevates the attendance at home games for everyone.  Everyone wants to join in on the excitement generated - like a frenzy in some cases, which is neat, IMO!  You've already pointed that out for Trine, when they were having over 4,000+ for their games, especially last season and before.  Yet, that also happened for Olivet when they won their title (shared with us back in 2006), getting usually over 2,000 in their newly renovated stadium and field.  Also, when Hope won in 2002, as I recall (without taking the time to check the exact stats right now), about 4,000+ were at the home games.  I've already commented on Hope's fb attendance previously here in that we had 3,000+ for all the home games (except one, and that one, IMO, I truly believe was well more than the 1,400 "official" listing for that day) after returning to a winning season at 7-3 following three consecutive 3-7 season (the latter of which was so uncharacteristic of Hope College football). Yet again, Hope has tremendous support and following from the Holland community in regards to attendance.  Now, Albion is a "different animal" to figure out - even when they win, sometimes their home attendance does not "balloon" as one would expect, although they do draw well when winning (I think though, this year was an exception i.e. not having as high attendance overall as in previous years, but they were a 6-4 team).  Adrian, from what I recall some of their supporters here saying in the past (and from what I've seen when we've played there recently) doesn't seem to get as much following even in their new stadium and when winning - which also surprises me because the city of Adrian is akin to like Holland was/is - at least it is bigger than Alma, Olivet and Albion.  Now Kazoo, so many factors with regard to that even though Kazoo is a large[er] city actually huge as compared to Holland- i.e. right next to Western Michigan University, some less interest by the faculty and neighborhood people (despite Kazoo having a storied football history) and not-so-good records the past 3 decades.  However, I believe that will change and improve to some degree with their new renovated stadium and athletic fieldhouse and complex which will be ready for this fall.

Winning also brings in the recuits as many people have discussed on here in the past, ballooning numbers to the 130-160+ range, although I believe that some of the schools want to keep it down and manageable to perhaps just over 100-115 or 120 at the most for a variety of reasons (with the exception of perhaps say Olivet and Kazoo, who need and want to get their numbers "up there" on a consistent basis.

BTW, speaking of Kazoo and Albion, if you or anyone hasn't recently checked their athletic website to see the progress on the new Kazoo stadium and athletic complex (soccer, baseball and softball stadiums) and also Kazoo's field house, you should do so.  Those are neat.  I also expect that Hope will do that regarding the installation of the new synthetic turf at their stadium when that starts this spring - you should also check the photos of Hope's new outdoor tennis complex - of course, Hope has had their indoor tennis facility for several years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 27, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on February 27, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 27, 2012, 11:45:01 AM
sflzman and AlmaFan:

Although this pertains to bb, as sflzman mentioned that Alma had some 600+ crowds for their last recent home bb games, I guess that is pretty good given the enrollment of the college itself.  It must have been neat to see that as you described the atmosphere in Smith Arena.  That said, I think that somehow, Alma needs to get the general Alma community more in support of the games similar to that which Hope has had with the Holland community for decades.  Of course, I realize that means, in part, putting a team on the floor that will be more successful in the "W" column than Alma has for a long time (i.e. returning to their better teams (and great teams in regards to Alma's entire bb history) of the late '70's, early '80's.  Yet, I can't imagine the college can't somehow get some type of campaign and promotions to get some of the townspeople out for some of the home games, including some of the older folks :D- the latter like bb - at least they do in Holland. ;D :D ;)

I would also like to see that for football.  They need to get more in the stands at home games.  With the "new" direction this fall, perhaps that will happen.

I think that Hope is a little different animal, especially as it relates to other MIAA schools.  Clearly, Hope is surrounded by a larger community in general, not to mention the Hope alumini that remain in the area.  Relative to basketball, when you sit in DeVos for game, it's clear to see that a game is an 'event' for many of the people in the stands.  There is very strong community support.  I suspect winning has a lot to do with the attendance level.

I believe the same holds true for football at Hope.  There are strong community ties...within a larger community.  That simply translates into more fans in the stands.  Winning also has an effect there too, as the crowds fluctuate in size, based on how the football team is doing.

I've always been pleasantly surprised by the attendance at an Alma home game.  I've also seen the stands clear after halftime, based on the progress of the game.  While the size of the Alma community is much smaller than Holland, I do think there are opportunities to grow the fan base.  Again, winning would seem to have a positive effect too.

I agree. That's the difference from Alma in the earlier years back in 80's and 90's and earlier, there were more people in the town and more community involvement, now that's nothing to say that you can't get the community involved nowadays, it just will never be to the scale of Hope, Calvin, Adrian, Kalamazoo can come out with...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 27, 2012, 06:44:22 PM
sflzman:

Actually, the town of Alma has pretty much maintained a stable population of about 10,000 over the past 30-40 years (and more) despite the loss of the former Total Oil Companies huge complex and the natural gas refinery.  As you know, the largest sustainers of the economy in Alma are the remaining  "Big Three"; Alma College, the hospital and the Mason Home Retirement Facilitiy/Community.  That said, I agree with you that Alma will never have the following that Hope and the other schools you mentioned, however, I truly believe that attendance could be improved from more community support somehow.  Its just a matter of developing the right approach and programs somehow (marketing, some type of community incentives and special events at athletic contests for the general public, etc.) as well as what we've all pretty much agreed about here i.e. winning teams and comes down to getting/recruiting better athletes to choose the college.  Unfortunately, Alma will most likely continue only draw from certain areas of the state and some of that being simply due to alumni sending their kids and encouraging others they know in going there.  So we'll see what happens with football, but basketball and baseball need that type of boost also. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 27, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
See regarding population, I was told that Alma topped off at the 20,000+ back in it's hay day. At this last census we barely cleared the 8 grand mark. I also know the enrollment at the local high school is only 650ish so there's not exactly a ton of kids coming up either...

Basketball needs that boost, but with the energy and how the team was playing this year, I think hargraves is going to get people in seats and get this program more well known. Especially with next year's tri valley conference alumn greg silverthorn leading the charge (shepherd) along with a talented big from swan valley (also in tvc) that if you don't push away from the basket will dunk over you every time on the low block that is rumured to be coming here. There's also talk of getting a few from almas highly talented junior class, one of them being 6-5 Kyle slagell. So I think sams recruiting hard and he's keeping the local kids local, which terry didn't do until his last class that had ithacas pride in that creed kid (6-8 and good) along with Brett lackie but neither are still here...

Baseball wise, alma I think will finish 3rd and has a chance to win a playoff game. Folske is starting to get his fingers wrapped around recruiting here in his final seasons (he's like the joe la of Michigan small college baseball) and this years team is stocked with talent from local the area, including Blake Leddy (swan valley) who will make an impact as a freshman.

Things are turning around, but they're still missing something to get those extra people in seats, and I agree there has to be more community interaction with the college teams..   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 01, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 27, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
See regarding population, I was told that Alma topped off at the 20,000+ back in it's hay day. At this last census we barely cleared the 8 grand mark. I also know the enrollment at the local high school is only 650ish so there's not exactly a ton of kids coming up either...

Basketball needs that boost, but with the energy and how the team was playing this year, I think hargraves is going to get people in seats and get this program more well known. Especially with next year's tri valley conference alumn greg silverthorn leading the charge (shepherd) along with a talented big from swan valley (also in tvc) that if you don't push away from the basket will dunk over you every time on the low block that is rumured to be coming here. There's also talk of getting a few from almas highly talented junior class, one of them being 6-5 Kyle slagell. So I think sams recruiting hard and he's keeping the local kids local, which terry didn't do until his last class that had ithacas pride in that creed kid (6-8 and good) along with Brett lackie but neither are still here...

Baseball wise, alma I think will finish 3rd and has a chance to win a playoff game. Folske is starting to get his fingers wrapped around recruiting here in his final seasons (he's like the joe la of Michigan small college baseball) and this years team is stocked with talent from local the area, including Blake Leddy (swan valley) who will make an impact as a freshman.

Things are turning around, but they're still missing something to get those extra people in seats, and I agree there has to be more community interaction with the college teams..

Just my opinion, but if the local media played up the college teams with the same enthusiasm they have for the high school teams, I think you might have more community interest in the college teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2012, 08:11:00 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 01, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 27, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
See regarding population, I was told that Alma topped off at the 20,000+ back in it's hay day. At this last census we barely cleared the 8 grand mark. I also know the enrollment at the local high school is only 650ish so there's not exactly a ton of kids coming up either...

Basketball needs that boost, but with the energy and how the team was playing this year, I think hargraves is going to get people in seats and get this program more well known. Especially with next year's tri valley conference alumn greg silverthorn leading the charge (shepherd) along with a talented big from swan valley (also in tvc) that if you don't push away from the basket will dunk over you every time on the low block that is rumured to be coming here. There's also talk of getting a few from almas highly talented junior class, one of them being 6-5 Kyle slagell. So I think sams recruiting hard and he's keeping the local kids local, which terry didn't do until his last class that had ithacas pride in that creed kid (6-8 and good) along with Brett lackie but neither are still here...

Baseball wise, alma I think will finish 3rd and has a chance to win a playoff game. Folske is starting to get his fingers wrapped around recruiting here in his final seasons (he's like the joe la of Michigan small college baseball) and this years team is stocked with talent from local the area, including Blake Leddy (swan valley) who will make an impact as a freshman.

Things are turning around, but they're still missing something to get those extra people in seats, and I agree there has to be more community interaction with the college teams..

Just my opinion, but if the local media played up the college teams with the same enthusiasm they have for the high school teams, I think you might have more community interest in the college teams.

Probably true, but don't hold your breath.  The parents of local high school athletes are potential subscribers/advertisers.  The parents of local college athletes, not so much. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 03, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Does anyone still subscribe to a newpaper anymore? I have kids in my class who have never read one. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 03, 2012, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 03, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Does anyone still subscribe to a newpapae anymore? I have kids in my class who have never read one. :(

I know my family subscribed to two when I lived across the river from Portland, Oregon.  Nowadays, it's just daily trips to 7/11...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 03, 2012, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 03, 2012, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 03, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Does anyone still subscribe to a newpapae anymore? I have kids in my class who have never read one. :(

I know my family subscribed to two when I lived across the river from Portland, Oregon.  Nowadays, it's just daily trips to 7/11...
Hahaha...I'm a speedway regular, paper and caffeine! Growing up we got the Times and the neighborhood paper.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 04, 2012, 08:30:49 AM
Although I get most of my news from the web, I still subscribe to the local paper and read it from front to back.  I prefer the printed media from a reading perspective, but find the web stuff more current and "live."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 04, 2012, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 04, 2012, 08:30:49 AM
Although I get most of my news from the web, I still subscribe to the local paper and read it from front to back.  I prefer the printed media from a reading perspective, but find the web stuff more can be more current and "live."
I like to read the paper also, but if news breaks, the web is great to stay on top of unfolding events.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on March 05, 2012, 05:06:30 PM
Haven't been checkin up on the site lately....but with all the reports coming out about the Saints/Redskins and the "Bounty" programs that Williams had running I thought I would jump on and see if there was any chatter on that.  I was suprised to not see anything, unless I missed a few posts. 

In hearing the information I am honestly not all that surprised that "Bounty" programs are in the NFL.  I am betting that they are more widespread than just in the places that Gregg Williams has coached.  The main issue I was suprised with is that the program was being run by the coach.  In all my time playing I have come across, not necessarily payments for hard hits, interceptions, fumbles, etc., but for sure players getting together to talk about who to target or a round of beers or shots for a pick 6 or big hit.  And at the levels I have played, this was not something coaches knew about or promoted, but it did go on amongst players (defense and offense alike).  Hell, I remember as a kid playing lacrosse in middle school and getting a "bounty".  The team I played for was bad and games were brutally boring for parents to watch.  My pops would put up $10 for every kid I knocked down $20 if the coach had to come out and check on the player.  Now I will say that money was not paid out to me if the hit was not legal and I made sure to keep hits clean, but still the mentality behind it is the same....make the game more exciting and interesting through physical means.

Hoping to get the thoughts of others.....I know that we have a number of ex-players that post and many of which we know the teams they played for.  I do not bring up this topic to try and accuse teams in the MIAA or other leagues of being dirty, just to get other opinions.  To see if others see it as I do, that many of the fans and media are naive to think that this is an isolated case.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 05, 2012, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity. :P
Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics are about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 05, 2012, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity. :P
Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics is about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

"Right on", newcard.  I am with you on this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 06, 2012, 07:52:02 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 05, 2012, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity. :P
Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics is about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

"Right on", newcard.  I am with you on this one.
I would hope most people would feel the same way.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on March 06, 2012, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 06, 2012, 07:52:02 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
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Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity. :P
Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics is about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

"Right on", newcard.  I am with you on this one.
I would hope most people would feel the same way.

formerd3 and newcard:  Very good comments by both.  I do agree with you that intentionally targeting or seeking to injure a player has no place in any sport.  And as I mentioned before it is made that much worse when such a program and type of play is supported and directed by a coach.  It is not nearly the same, and I hope this doesn't sound like I am saying the two are equal, but "helmet stickers" that are given out for big hits or a good crackback/blindside block can have a similar affect on players.  Stickers that are given out for such can lead a player to look more often for those hits or take more risks to continue getting recognition for such play.  Which unitentionally can lead to pushing the line on legal and illegal play.  But I would be lying if I said I didn't believe targeting of particular players doesn't happen.  That is the whole reason for scouting reports....to know who the better players are on the other team.  formerd3, you mention the legit double team and adjusting schemes for particular players, but that is not where the targeting ends.  The informal talk among players becomes the chance of looking for the opportunity more often for big hits on those players...holding the man up so someone else can come in and finish up, or knocking down a particular player standing around the pile.  Now from my time playing and hearing such talk the intent was not to injure, but obviously to wear down, make that player not want to keep playing as hard or taking those hits.  I agree that many professionals or players at other levels that do play with the intent to injure will not be willing to own up to or be honest about the way they play...and that is sad.  Should only play the game in a way that you can take responsibility for your actions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 06, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Cousin Eddie on March 06, 2012, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 06, 2012, 07:52:02 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on March 05, 2012, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 05, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
Cousin Eddie:

I wasn't going to bring the topic up here, however, since you did, here goes. I will offer my opinion here and please note that I am only speaking for myself obviously.  While I have no problem whatsoever with hard legit hits and going for those as well as "helmet stickers" for good plays like many of the colleges (and some high schools) do and have done for many years, IMO, there is no place whatsoever for "bounties" in the sense that these idiots have done and are talking about, whether for $ or anything.  Intentionally targeting/going after some specific player to put them out of the game (and I'm not talking about legit double teaming a player, etc., etc.) has simply no place whatsover in the game on any level - period.  Any of those pros who say otherwise are jerks and just another reason why the NFL (and for that matter some of the big-time college football programs) have sunk to the low level they have.  For any colleges at our level with players who have that kind of juvenile mentality (even if the coaches knew nothing about it), that is shameful- those players have no right or any business in engaging in that type of activity or bragging about it.  They should be ashamed about it although I can bet you (if I were a betting man which I am not) they aren't nor would be honest enough to admit it and that is simply sad.  If I were a coach and found out about it, their individual responsibility would be held accountable to them and there would be consequences.  So that is my opinion, and I make no apologies for it.  While others may disagree with my opinion, I certainly respect their opinions, but will disagree.  That said, I hope the NFL "throws the book at those guys and anyone (coaches) who knew about it and did nothing.  They knew it was against the rules, however, like so many in today's society and in that game, sadly, they choose to break the accepted rules and don't care what anyone thinks other than themselves. What a pity. :P
Former: You pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post.  As my son plays defense and it is awesome to see him make a great hit-I would be disappointed in him if he ever deliberately tried to "take someone out" on any play. That is not what athletics is about and it is sickening to hear "professionals" talk and act in such an unprofessional manner.

"Right on", newcard.  I am with you on this one.
I would hope most people would feel the same way.

formerd3 and newcard:  Very good comments by both.  I do agree with you that intentionally targeting or seeking to injure a player has no place in any sport.  And as I mentioned before it is made that much worse when such a program and type of play is supported and directed by a coach.  It is not nearly the same, and I hope this doesn't sound like I am saying the two are equal, but "helmet stickers" that are given out for big hits or a good crackback/blindside block can have a similar affect on players.  Stickers that are given out for such can lead a player to look more often for those hits or take more risks to continue getting recognition for such play.  Which unitentionally can lead to pushing the line on legal and illegal play.  But I would be lying if I said I didn't believe targeting of particular players doesn't happen.  That is the whole reason for scouting reports....to know who the better players are on the other team.  formerd3, you mention the legit double team and adjusting schemes for particular players, but that is not where the targeting ends.  The informal talk among players becomes the chance of looking for the opportunity more often for big hits on those players...holding the man up so someone else can come in and finish up, or knocking down a particular player standing around the pile.  Now from my time playing and hearing such talk the intent was not to injure, but obviously to wear down, make that player not want to keep playing as hard or taking those hits.  I agree that many professionals or players at other levels that do play with the intent to injure will not be willing to own up to or be honest about the way they play...and that is sad.  Should only play the game in a way that you can take responsibility for your actions.
I completely agree that most professionals do not intentionally set out to injure someone, but it its always the few bad apples that give the majority a bad name. Good, hard hitting football is great-intentionally targeting someone is not.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 06, 2012, 04:35:45 PM
Cousin Eddie:

Thank you.  But you have also just pointed out the exact difference we are all talking about here (again, I think you, newcard, me and the others are all on the "same page" with this).  There is nothing wrong with targeting a key player in the scouting plans for a game and that includes among the players themselves, so long as the hits and action plans are legal and within the safety rules.  The difference here that is involved in the NFL is that they were intentionally targeting certain body parts on players to put them out of action and as we've said, actually, I'll take it a step further - that is plain evil and mean spirited.  Helmet stickers are, indeed, intended to enthuse the players, yet the latter who let it get out of hand and/or context should know better (I would say that if they are honest about it, the majority know what is right and wrong) and if they step over the line, they need to be held accountable.  Some coaches like the helmet sticker system, some do not.  I know when I played at Hope, our coach(es) did not nor do they still.  However, personally, as I mentioned, I have no problem with it as long as it is kept in the right restraints and that is the responsibility of the coaches in keeping that in the open forefront as well as the responsibility of the players to know the difference between what is allowed and what is inexcusable.  Anyway, thanks again for your comments and the others as well.  I think we've established the "norm" for this here. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 06, 2012, 05:38:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 06, 2012, 04:35:45 PM
Cousin Eddie:

Thank you.  But you have also just pointed out the exact difference we are all talking about here (again, I think you, newcard, me and the others are all on the "same page" with this).  There is nothing wrong with targeting a key player in the scouting plans for a game and that includes among the players themselves, so long as the hits and action plans are legal and within the safety rules.  The difference here that is involved in the NFL is that they were intentionally targeting certain body parts on players to put them out of action and as we've said, actually, I'll take it a step further - that is plain evil and mean spirited.  Helmet stickers are, indeed, intended to enthuse the players, yet the latter who let it get out of hand and/or context should know better (I would say that if they are honest about it, the majority know what is right and wrong) and if they step over the line, they need to be held accountable.  Some coaches like the helmet sticker system, some do not.  I know when I played at Hope, our coach(es) did not nor do they still.  However, personally, as I mentioned, I have no problem with it as long as it is kept in the right restraints and that is the responsibility of the coaches in keeping that in the open forefront as well as the responsibility of the players to know the difference between what is allowed and what is inexcusable.  Anyway, thanks again for your comments and the others as well.  I think we've established the "norm" for this here. ;)
If we could only discuss other issues this diplomatically. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ACMIAAD3 on March 10, 2012, 11:18:12 PM
Well guys after 2 years and 20 games (18 as a starter) my "vested interest" has decided to hang up his shoulder pads and leave the grid iron. It was a long struggle for him but in the end he told me that he just lost the "Love for playing football." While I am sad I am also extremely proud of him because he has struggled with this choice and it was all his. I will miss the friendships I have made at Alma and I wish to the best to the best parents group ever. To all the Alma Scots players I wish you a sucessful season and an injury free one. I must give my sincere appreciation to the Oline for all they have done for my son. To Hall, Story, Compo, Scharlow and Walsh play hard and together and conitnue to improve you guys ROCK. Coach Lewis thank you for listening, Coach Wellman Thank You for believing in him and Coach Cole thank you for your dedication to all the young men on your teams over the years. To Coach Leister I appreciate the fact that you were there for my son and what an outstanding mentor you are. I have the utmost respect for you and wish you all the best with Alma Athletics. GO SCOTS!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on March 11, 2012, 01:54:34 PM
I wish him all the luck in his future.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on March 11, 2012, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: ACMIAAD3 on March 10, 2012, 11:18:12 PM
Well guys after 2 years and 20 games (18 as a starter) my "vested interest" has decided to hang up his shoulder pads and leave the grid iron. It was a long struggle for him but in the end he told me that he just lost the "Love for playing football." While I am sad I am also extremely proud of him because he has struggled with this choice and it was all his. I will miss the friendships I have made at Alma and I wish to the best to the best parents group ever. To all the Alma Scots players I wish you a sucessful season and an injury free one. I must give my sincere appreciation to the Oline for all they have done for my son. To Hall, Story, Compo, Scharlow and Walsh play hard and together and conitnue to improve you guys ROCK. Coach Lewis thank you for listening, Coach Wellman Thank You for believing in him and Coach Cole thank you for your dedication to all the young men on your teams over the years. To Coach Leister I appreciate the fact that you were there for my son and what an outstanding mentor you are. I have the utmost respect for you and wish you all the best with Alma Athletics. GO SCOTS!!!

M,

Hope you can incorporate a visit to a few games when you visit the lad.  We're going to miss B. 

Stay in touch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 12, 2012, 10:00:07 AM
Good Luck to your son.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 13, 2012, 08:29:31 PM
Been away from the board lately. What can we expect from Spring drills for MIAA teams? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 14, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
And, what team(s) will be fighting for the AQ?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 16, 2012, 09:01:48 PM
Hope Sports Update (and other miscellaneous):

Hope Men's Lacrosse team defeated rival Calvin College yesterday in Grand Rapids-excellent weather for the late afternoon game. (Hope's Women's team lost to Michigan State).  Hope's Men's team plays up at Alma College tomorrow (Alma is full NCAA varsity lacrosse this year - actually, in essence Hope is too, although "officially" designated for that next year along with Calvin, both of whom will join the other MIAA schools that are already official NCAA varsity status).

Hope's hockey team blows it in the Div. III National Tournament i.e. American Collegiate Hockey Association out in NJ, losing tonight, with their tournatment records currently at 1-1-1.  So that leaves them out of the championship final round tomorrow, after, incredibly, being the national runner-up the last two years in a row.  Saginaw Valley State, two-time national champion is also out of the championship round, however, apparently Davenport and Adrian College - Gold team are in and to play the Univ of California teams that are making it to the finals (this is one of two Adrian College club collegiate hockey teams as they also have their NCAA varisty Div. III team.

Hope's baseball team is down in Florida for their annual Spring Break trip, which started today and opened play today with their first game (I have not yet seen a score posted).  Olivet College's baseball team has been down there also for their spring break all this week and was 2-2 going into today's and tomorrow final games before heading home on Sunday.

The NCAA Div. III Women's Basketball National Championship Final Four is being hosted at Hope College tonight and tomorrow at DeVos Arena (the third time Hope has hosted the NCAA Final Four for the women).  Illinois Wesleyan's womens team is playing in the second semi-final tonight which is currently underway (probably the second half by now nearing the end).  Across several states over in Salem, WVa and across the parking lot from the Stagg Bowl, the NCAA Div. III Men's basketball tournament is taking place at the same time.  Illinois Wesleyan's men's team, which knocked our Hope out of the running in the opening first round, lost tonight.  So the championship game will be between Cabrini and the winner of the MIT (yes, of out east fame!) and UW-W, whose football team is the current Div. III three-peat champion this year. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 16, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 16, 2012, 09:01:48 PM
Hope Sports Update (and other miscellaneous):

Hope Men's Lacrosse team defeated rival Calvin College yesterday in Grand Rapids-excellent weather for the late afternoon game. (Hope's Women's team lost to Michigan State).  Hope's Men's team plays up at Alma College tomorrow (Alma is full NCAA varsity lacrosse this year - actually, in essence Hope is too, although "officially" designated for that next year along with Calvin, both of whom will join the other MIAA schools that are already official NCAA varsity status).

Hope's hockey team blows it in the Div. III National Tournament i.e. American Collegiate Hockey Association out in NJ, losing tonight, with their tournatment records currently at 1-1-1.  So that leaves them out of the championship final round tomorrow, after, incredibly, being the national runner-up the last two years in a row.  Saginaw Valley State, two-time national champion is also out of the championship round, however, apparently Davenport and Adrian College - Gold team are in and to play the Univ of California teams that are making it to the finals (this is one of two Adrian College club collegiate hockey teams as they also have their NCAA varisty Div. III team.

Hope's baseball team is down in Florida for their annual Spring Break trip, which started today and opened play today with their first game (I have not yet seen a score posted).  Olivet College's baseball team has been down there also for their spring break all this week and was 2-2 going into today's and tomorrow final games before heading home on Sunday.

The NCAA Div. III Women's Basketball National Championship Final Four is being hosted at Hope College tonight and tomorrow at DeVos Arena (the third time Hope has hosted the NCAA Final Four for the women).  Illinois Wesleyan's womens team is playing in the second semi-final tonight which is currently underway (probably the second half by now nearing the end).  Across several states over in Salem, WVa and across the parking lot from the Stagg Bowl, the NCAA Div. III Men's basketball tournament is taking place at the same time.  Illinois Wesleyan's men's team, which knocked our Hope out of the running in the opening first round, lost tonight.  So the championship game will be between Cabrini and the winner of the MIT (yes, of out east fame!) and UW-W, whose football team is the current Div. III three-peat champion this year.
IWU women win as does UWW men.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 17, 2012, 06:09:08 PM
Wow, if UWW men win the title tonight (game begins at 7 PM), that will be an incredible feat in having both their football and men's basketball teams win the Div. III national championships in the same year.  Does anyone know if that has happened in the past, not only in our division, but any of the other NCAA divisions?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 17, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
Hope blasts Alma today in men's lacrosse 19-1.  Gorgeous day for any game, decent crowd at Alma College's Bahlke Stadium for their first official varsity lacrosse home game.  But...we lamblasted them, although they are a pretty good team; they just need more players on the roster.  Shows really how good Hope's program has come, but also Alma's as well at this point.

BTW, also incredible is that Adrian College's-Gold Team (club collegiate) is playing against Davenport (MI) University's hockey team for the Div. III American Collegiate Hockey Association National Championship tonight in NJ.  Ironic that two northern region teams and from Michigan at that are playing for the national title.  And that is not even Adrian's NCAA varsity team.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 17, 2012, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 17, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
Hope blasts Alma today in men's lacrosse 19-1.  Gorgeous day for any game, decent crowd at Alma College's Bahlke Stadium for their first official varsity lacrosse home game.  But...we lamblasted them, although they are a pretty good team; they just need more players on the roster.  Shows really how good Hope's program has come, but also Alma's as well at this point.

BTW, also incredible is that Adrian College's-Gold Team (club collegiate) is playing against Davenport (MI) University's hockey team for the Div. III American Collegiate Hockey Association National Championship tonight in NJ.  Ironic that two northern region teams and from Michigan at that are playing for the national title.  And that is not even Adrian's NCAA varsity team.
Does hope offer wreslting as well as Lacrosse? North Centreal only offers lacrosse for women as thet have wrestling and 10 sports for each gender.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 17, 2012, 07:47:17 PM
Formerd3db,

You have to be elated with Hope's Lacrosse efforts, Wow! :) ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 17, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
newcard:

Hope does not currently sponsor wrestling.  They used to for many several years as did the MIAA, until the league dropped the sport back in the late 1980's.  Olivet College of our league, however, continued the sport as an independent and they were/are one of the elite programs and has some excellent wrestlers  (Jare Klein, who is in the Olivet College Athletic Hall of Fame, was their long-time coach) and, if I recall correctly, they had some of their people compete with the upper level divisions, back in the "old days", when Div. III wrestlers could compete at the Div. I level championship tournaments if the wrestler finished in the top ranked Div. III wrestlers (which, obviously, is no longer allowed).  Anyway, I believe that the MIAA is looking at reinstating wrestling as a league sport - at least there was talk of that a year or so ago.  Some of that may depend now on the Title IX "stuff" with the MIAA now officially sanctioning men's and women's lacrosse. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 17, 2012, 09:39:57 PM
Olivet sits near one of the hotbeds of high school wrestling.  Many strong programs over the years within a half hours drive.  Although looking at their roster of 43 kids, most seem to come from a much broader area of the state of Michigan.

Eaton Rapids --Less so now, but back in my day wrestling was king at that school with several state titles, long consecutive records of winning their league, district and regionals.  Like 2 decades long.  Several ER graduates continued their wrestling careers at Olivet.

Mason--has supplanted ER as the local power
Springport
Jackson NW
Jackson County Western
Holt
Lakewood-Lake Odessa

etc,etc.  They've all had strong programs that sent kids to Olivet over the years.  Its a weird part of the state in its support of wrestling.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 17, 2012, 09:40:50 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 17, 2012, 06:15:57 PM

BTW, also incredible is that Adrian College's-Gold Team (club collegiate) is playing against Davenport (MI) University's hockey team for the Div. III American Collegiate Hockey Association National Championship tonight in NJ. Ironic that two northern region teams and from Michigan at that are playing for the national title.  And that is not even Adrian's NCAA varsity team.

I'm failing to see the irony......we're all practically Canadian. ??? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 17, 2012, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 17, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
newcard:

Hope does not currently sponsor wrestling.  They used to for many several years as did the MIAA, until the league dropped the sport back in the late 1980's.  Olivet College of our league, however, continued the sport as an independent and they were/are one of the elite programs and has some excellent wrestlers  (Jare Klein, who is in the Olivet College Athletic Hall of Fame, was their long-time coach) and, if I recall correctly, they had some of their people compete with the upper level divisions, back in the "old days", when Div. III wrestlers could compete at the Div. I level championship tournaments if the wrestler finished in the top ranked Div. III wrestlers (which, obviously, is no longer allowed).  Anyway, I believe that the MIAA is looking at reinstating wrestling as a league sport - at least there was talk of that a year or so ago.  Some of that may depend now on the Title IX "stuff" with the MIAA now officially sanctioning men's and women's lacrosse.
I figured that was probably the reason you had men's lacrosse. Men's volleyball is also big in Illinois but I wonder if Title IX will limit that sport's growth in small colleges.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 18, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
Raider68:
Indeed.

sac:
As always, you have great research/history, thanks.  Now, if only Eaton Rapids can get their football program back to a decent level.

newcard:
Yes, and most likely, Title IX will be one of the factors in future years if Hope ever decides to add on other sports or, for example, make ice hockey "official" varsity rather than the "virtual varsity" it currently is.  They's have to bring back women's field hockey or archery (or even bowling), although the former two might be hard to do because of lack of area "like" schools having those programs.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 19, 2012, 01:30:52 AM
Since its the off-season

Quote from: formerd3db on March 18, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
sac:
As always, you have great research/history, thanks.  Now, if only Eaton Rapids can get their football program back to a decent level.


I think I revealed to you in a private message sometime ago that I grew up and went to Eaton Rapids.  The wrestling stuff has always been interesting to me, not because I like wrestling(I don't), but because I've always found it somewhat incredible that a school with very little athletic success to speak of could end up being one of the State of Michigan's wrestling powers for nearly 3 decades and a few times the very best regardless of class.   8 State Championships and 6 runner-ups in a 30 year time frame.  When I was in high school they won 3 straight state championships.  http://www.mhsaa.com/Sports/Wrestling/TeamChampions.aspx

That success has waned quite a bit in recent years as many of the original people who put so much hard work and effort into the youth programs have moved on either to other schools or other professions.    It would have been really hard to not learn a thing or two about the local wrestling scene.



As far as ER football........define 'decent', and define 'get back to'.  ER is easily one of the losing-est programs in state history, certainly in the Mid-Michigan area.    Four winning seasons in 34 years since a mild run of 3 year success in the mid 1970's.  Never made the state playoffs.

They won 2 games this year, coming off a stretch of 7 years where they went 4-59.   Those two wins this year came against Albion and Jackson Northwest.  Over the last two years Albion is 0-18, JNW is 2-16.  ER hasn't won more than 2 games in a season since 1997.....its been gruesome. 
http://michigan-football.com/f/eatonrpd.htm    (excellent high school football link by the way)

Bobby Ribby who I went to high school with but didn't know real well has been the coach for a few years now.  In his first year I witnessed a game where they played state ranked Haslett and before 5 minutes were up in the 1st Q it was 35-0, they lost 70-0.

I know they've worked really hard to get a youth program sponsored by the school going and its been a big time struggle.  But its not from lack of effort.  In the school of choice environment, being so close to places like Holt, Mason and even Leslie who have all had solid football programs is just a killer for them.  Its tough. 



Just so we don't stray to far off topic I'll mention a couple MIAA football players from my days at ER.   Eddie Merrill played a year or two for Albion, but was more of a baseball guy.  I think he quit football after his Soph year.  Gabe Cooper also played for Albion in the early 90's, played all 4 years as far as I know.   Elbert Payne was our all-time leading rusher and went to Olivet, is now an assistant coach at Lansing Catholic Central.  Paul Coats I know wrestled for Olivet and may have played football as well.

Every now and then an ER player will pop up on an MIAA roster or two.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 19, 2012, 02:57:24 PM
sac:

Thanks for the follow-up.  Well, I guess you are right.  I mis-spoke myself with regards to Eaton Rapids football.  I guess my mind/memory is getting a bit fuzzy as I was intending to refer to back at the 1997 era when they won more than 2 games - however, I can't believe it has been that long; just didn't realize and didn't check it, of course.  So in that regard, I guess I mean I hope they can get "decent".  Yet, as you mentioned and fully outlined, there are indeed some challanges/difficulties that will always be there for that school with regard to football.  That does not mean they should ever discontinue the program and IMO, they should not, although you and I know that for schools like that it could very well happen in sports in the future due to so many factors including the financial aspect and the "current pay to play" arrangements for sports that many school districts have had to institute in recent years for many of their sports programs. Anyway, the coaches there do work hard and their best in helping and teaching the kids who do play football.  BTW, I do like their football stadium and even many small colleges would give "whatever" to have a neat little stadium like Eaton Rapids's stadium.

As a recall, we had a player from Eaton Rapids "back in my day" i.e. was one of my teammates at Hope College. He was a QB and right now I don't quite recall his name (I think it was Mike, but I don't recall his last name right off hand without checking my old team photos, which I can't do right now) - and my poor recollection, aside from being a result of my "fuzzy" memory ;D is also probably in part since he only was on our team for two years before he gave it up.  He had good talent and I think could have gotten some P.T. at Hope had he stuck it our, however, he had two other QB's ahead of him, classwise (I think he probably could have eventually gained the back-up spot).  But, as you mention, since Eaton Rapids is one of the smaller "bedroom" communities around Lansing, they have a tough time competing let alone retention of some of the better players because of the school of choice system as you mention.

Hope is on Spring Break this week as you know, so no lacrosse until March 30th, although the baseball and softball teams are in the midst of their annual southern trips.  No more MIAA basketball or NCAA Div III, so we're all obviously stuck with the Div. I tourney! ;D :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 19, 2012, 03:21:06 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 19, 2012, 02:57:24 PM
sac:

Thanks for the follow-up.  Well, I guess you are right.  I mis-spoke myself with regards to Eaton Rapids football.  I guess my mind/memory is getting a bit fuzzy as I was intending to refer to back at the 1997 era when they won more than 2 games - however, I can't believe it has been that long; just didn't realize and didn't check it, of course.  So in that regard, I guess I mean I hope they can get "decent".  Yet, as you mentioned and fully outlined, there are indeed some challanges/difficulties that will always be there for that school with regard to football.  That does not mean they should ever discontinue the program and IMO, they should not, although you and I know that for schools like that it could very well happen in sports in the future due to so many factors including the financial aspect and the "current pay to play" arrangements for sports that many school districts have had to institute in recent years for many of their sports programs. Anyway, the coaches there do work hard and their best in helping and teaching the kids who do play football.  BTW, I do like their football stadium and even many small colleges would give "whatever" to have a neat little stadium like Eaton Rapids's stadium.

As a recall, we had a player from Eaton Rapids "back in my day" i.e. was one of my teammates at Hope College. He was a QB and right now I don't quite recall his name (I think it was Mike, but I don't recall his last name right off hand without checking my old team photos, which I can't do right now) - and my poor recollection, aside from being a result of my "fuzzy" memory ;D is also probably in part since he only was on our team for two years before he gave it up.  He had good talent and I think could have gotten some P.T. at Hope had he stuck it our, however, he had two other QB's ahead of him, classwise (I think he probably could have eventually gained the back-up spot).  But, as you mention, since Eaton Rapids is one of the smaller "bedroom" communities around Lansing, they have a tough time competing let alone retention of some of the better players because of the school of choice system as you mention.

Hope is on Spring Break this week as you know, so no lacrosse until March 30th, although the baseball and softball teams are in the midst of their annual southern trips.  No more MIAA basketball or NCAA Div III, so we're all obviously stuck with the Div. I tourney! ;D :)
The D1 tourney is good as well! My Boilers almost pulled off the upset!!Duke however, wrecked my bracket.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 19, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
Yes, too bad Purdue couldn't hold their lead - a shame.  However, they did go farther than most people thought.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 19, 2012, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 19, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
Yes, too bad Purdue couldn't hold their lead - a shame.  However, they did go farther than most people thought.
noone gave them a snoballs chance of winning A game,let alone put a scare into Kansas.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 20, 2012, 09:08:47 AM
formerd3db,

Congrats on reaching +800k, your contributions to PP have provided great discussions!
Well, Done! +k :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on March 20, 2012, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: sac on March 19, 2012, 01:30:52 AM
Since its the off-season

Quote from: formerd3db on March 18, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
sac:
As always, you have great research/history, thanks.  Now, if only Eaton Rapids can get their football program back to a decent level.


I think I revealed to you in a private message sometime ago that I grew up and went to Eaton Rapids.  The wrestling stuff has always been interesting to me, not because I like wrestling(I don't), but because I've always found it somewhat incredible that a school with very little athletic success to speak of could end up being one of the State of Michigan's wrestling powers for nearly 3 decades and a few times the very best regardless of class.   8 State Championships and 6 runner-ups in a 30 year time frame.  When I was in high school they won 3 straight state championships.  http://www.mhsaa.com/Sports/Wrestling/TeamChampions.aspx

That success has waned quite a bit in recent years as many of the original people who put so much hard work and effort into the youth programs have moved on either to other schools or other professions.    It would have been really hard to not learn a thing or two about the local wrestling scene.



As far as ER football........define 'decent', and define 'get back to'.  ER is easily one of the losing-est programs in state history, certainly in the Mid-Michigan area.    Four winning seasons in 34 years since a mild run of 3 year success in the mid 1970's.  Never made the state playoffs.

They won 2 games this year, coming off a stretch of 7 years where they went 4-59.   Those two wins this year came against Albion and Jackson Northwest.  Over the last two years Albion is 0-18, JNW is 2-16.  ER hasn't won more than 2 games in a season since 1997.....its been gruesome. 
http://michigan-football.com/f/eatonrpd.htm    (excellent high school football link by the way)

Bobby Ribby who I went to high school with but didn't know real well has been the coach for a few years now.  In his first year I witnessed a game where they played state ranked Haslett and before 5 minutes were up in the 1st Q it was 35-0, they lost 70-0.

I know they've worked really hard to get a youth program sponsored by the school going and its been a big time struggle.  But its not from lack of effort.  In the school of choice environment, being so close to places like Holt, Mason and even Leslie who have all had solid football programs is just a killer for them.  Its tough. 



Just so we don't stray to far off topic I'll mention a couple MIAA football players from my days at ER.   Eddie Merrill played a year or two for Albion, but was more of a baseball guy.  I think he quit football after his Soph year.  Gabe Cooper also played for Albion in the early 90's, played all 4 years as far as I know.   Elbert Payne was our all-time leading rusher and went to Olivet, is now an assistant coach at Lansing Catholic Central.  Paul Coats I know wrestled for Olivet and may have played football as well.

Every now and then an ER player will pop up on an MIAA roster or two.

sac, you went to Hope AND ER? That's essentially unforgivable for me, as an Albion and a Charlotte graduate  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 20, 2012, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on March 20, 2012, 09:08:47 AM
formerd3db,

Congrats on reaching +800k, your contributions to PP have provided great discussions!
Well, Done! +k :) :)
I'll second that!! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 20, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
Not sure if anyone had pointed this out yet, but UWW became the first school in d3 (second in any division to Florida in 07-08) to win both football and basketball NCAA Championships in the same year...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 20, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
Thanks Raider68, much appreciated.  Although I also have to say that you and the others make great contributions here also and that is what makes it enjoyable for me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 20, 2012, 09:43:46 PM
Quote from: sflzman on March 20, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
Not sure if anyone had pointed this out yet, but UWW became the first school in d3 (second in any division to Florida in 07-08) to win both football and basketball NCAA Championships in the same year...

Actually, sflzman, I had posed that question over on the MIAA basketball board, although I will admit I wasn't sure if they were the first college to do that in Div III.  Regardless, it is an incredible accomplishment.

BTW, my apologies if I missed you up at Alma College last Saturday during the Hope/Alma lacrosse game, if you were around.  I should have emailed you well in advance.  I got to the game right before the start, but had to leave fairly soon afterward, although I did get to briefly visit with a few of my long-time friends who are Alma College administrators/coaches.  Next time, I'll try to remember to let you know when I'm coming up.  My brother and I are going to try and make an Alma baseball game.

Also, I hope you personally ended up your basketball season on a good note, even if your team did not go far in the high school state  tournament districts and/or region.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 22, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on March 20, 2012, 02:23:07 PM

sac, you went to Hope AND ER? That's essentially unforgivable for me, as an Albion and a Charlotte graduate  ;D

I had no choice in where to attend High School.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 22, 2012, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: sac on March 22, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on March 20, 2012, 02:23:07 PM

sac, you went to Hope AND ER? That's essentially unforgivable for me, as an Albion and a Charlotte graduate  ;D

I had no choice in where to attend High School.  :)
...unless you went private :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 22, 2012, 02:59:04 PM
only 2 private HS's even near me, both almost 30 minutes away.  I could see the ER high school from my front porch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 22, 2012, 07:14:51 PM
Quote from: sac on March 22, 2012, 02:59:04 PM
only 2 private HS's even near me, both almost 30 minutes away.  I could see the ER high school from my front porch.
That would make your decision vey easy then. Our local HS is less than 1/4 mile away and you could see it from our front porch if the tree wasn't in the way. We can however, hear the band on Friday nights:)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 23, 2012, 07:14:17 AM
Quote from: sac on March 22, 2012, 02:59:04 PM
only 2 private HS's even near me, both almost 30 minutes away.  I could see the ER high school from my front porch.

Was it not schools of choice yet when you were in high school?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on March 23, 2012, 07:49:28 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 23, 2012, 07:14:17 AM
Quote from: sac on March 22, 2012, 02:59:04 PM
only 2 private HS's even near me, both almost 30 minutes away.  I could see the ER high school from my front porch.

Was it not schools of choice yet when you were in high school?
We still don't have that in Illinois.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 23, 2012, 09:35:29 AM
Quote from: sflzman on March 23, 2012, 07:14:17 AM
Quote from: sac on March 22, 2012, 02:59:04 PM
only 2 private HS's even near me, both almost 30 minutes away.  I could see the ER high school from my front porch.

Was it not schools of choice yet when you were in high school?

School of choice didn't exist in Michigan until around 2001 I guess........I missed it by several years. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 01, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

sac,

I am waiting for formerd3db to lead Hope in the purchase of the stadium! :) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 01, 2012, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 01, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

sac,

I am waiting for formerd3db to lead Hope in the purchase of the stadium! :) ;D
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

Raider68 and sac:

First, yes, had I won the Mega Millions lotto this weekend, I would have!! ;D ;D ;) :) ::)

Indeed, Hope just needs to buy the stadium - they have the $ to do it.  However, as sac says, the City of Holland but also the Holland Public Schools are part of the problem.  The mayor wants to get rid of it because it is a financial drain on the city.  Yet, Holland Public Schools are apprehensive about that because they would need to then pay rent for use at football games.  The Holland Christian basketball fiasco was not entirely Hope's fault, unlike some people tend to believe because, in part, HC H.S. wanted their own facility and simply had the $ to do it.

IMO, Hope should just "get it over with" i.e. buy the stadium and work out a comprimise with the school system for concessions intake and something with the City.  This has been dragging on way too long, despite the City and Hope College having a great relationship for decades and decades and support of all programs at the College including athletics.  If they don't get this straightened out very soon, most likely we will not have synthetic turf this fall and that will not be good - including safety reasons as we've discussed here before.  Hope will be the only MIAA school without it for football if this isn't resolved.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on April 01, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 01, 2012, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 01, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

sac,

I am waiting for formerd3db to lead Hope in the purchase of the stadium! :) ;D
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

Raider68 and sac:

First, yes, had I won the Mega Millions lotto this weekend, I would have!! ;D ;D ;) :) ::)

Indeed, Hope just needs to buy the stadium - they have the $ to do it.  However, as sac says, the City of Holland but also the Holland Public Schools are part of the problem.  The mayor wants to get rid of it because it is a financial drain on the city.  Yet, Holland Public Schools are apprehensive about that because they would need to then pay rent for use at football games.  The Holland Christian basketball fiasco was not entirely Hope's fault, unlike some people tend to believe because, in part, HC H.S. wanted their own facility and simply had the $ to do it.

IMO, Hope should just "get it over with" i.e. buy the stadium and work out a comprimise with the school system for concessions intake and something with the City.  This has been dragging on way too long, despite the City and Hope College having a great relationship for decades and decades and support of all programs at the College including athletics.  If they don't get this straightened out very soon, most likely we will not have synthetic turf this fall and that will not be good - including safety reasons as we've discussed here before.  Hope will be the only MIAA school without it for football if this isn't resolved.
Sounds like a major mess!  If Hope buys the stadium, wouldn't they be able to develop and implement a community usage plan?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on April 02, 2012, 10:59:12 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on April 01, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 01, 2012, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 01, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

sac,

I am waiting for formerd3db to lead Hope in the purchase of the stadium! :) ;D
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

Raider68 and sac:

First, yes, had I won the Mega Millions lotto this weekend, I would have!! ;D ;D ;) :) ::)

Indeed, Hope just needs to buy the stadium - they have the $ to do it.  However, as sac says, the City of Holland but also the Holland Public Schools are part of the problem.  The mayor wants to get rid of it because it is a financial drain on the city.  Yet, Holland Public Schools are apprehensive about that because they would need to then pay rent for use at football games.  The Holland Christian basketball fiasco was not entirely Hope's fault, unlike some people tend to believe because, in part, HC H.S. wanted their own facility and simply had the $ to do it.

IMO, Hope should just "get it over with" i.e. buy the stadium and work out a comprimise with the school system for concessions intake and something with the City.  This has been dragging on way too long, despite the City and Hope College having a great relationship for decades and decades and support of all programs at the College including athletics.  If they don't get this straightened out very soon, most likely we will not have synthetic turf this fall and that will not be good - including safety reasons as we've discussed here before.  Hope will be the only MIAA school without it for football if this isn't resolved.
Sounds like a major mess!  If Hope buys the stadium, wouldn't they be able to develop and implement a community usage plan?

Hope could.  The question is will they.   ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on April 02, 2012, 11:32:02 AM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on April 02, 2012, 10:59:12 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on April 01, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 01, 2012, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 01, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

sac,

I am waiting for formerd3db to lead Hope in the purchase of the stadium! :) ;D
Quote from: sac on April 01, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Ran across this article about Hope and Holland Municipal Stadium.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/03/holland_may_sell_its_municipal.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+|+MLive.com%29


The main point is Hope may just end up buying the stadium from the city.   Still hopeful they can get a new surface in place for the fall.

Is it just me or does Holland make things 1,000 times more complicated than they need to be?  (thinking back to the basketball facility fiasco).

Raider68 and sac:

First, yes, had I won the Mega Millions lotto this weekend, I would have!! ;D ;D ;) :) ::)

Indeed, Hope just needs to buy the stadium - they have the $ to do it.  However, as sac says, the City of Holland but also the Holland Public Schools are part of the problem.  The mayor wants to get rid of it because it is a financial drain on the city.  Yet, Holland Public Schools are apprehensive about that because they would need to then pay rent for use at football games.  The Holland Christian basketball fiasco was not entirely Hope's fault, unlike some people tend to believe because, in part, HC H.S. wanted their own facility and simply had the $ to do it.

IMO, Hope should just "get it over with" i.e. buy the stadium and work out a comprimise with the school system for concessions intake and something with the City.  This has been dragging on way too long, despite the City and Hope College having a great relationship for decades and decades and support of all programs at the College including athletics.  If they don't get this straightened out very soon, most likely we will not have synthetic turf this fall and that will not be good - including safety reasons as we've discussed here before.  Hope will be the only MIAA school without it for football if this isn't resolved.
Sounds like a major mess!  If Hope buys the stadium, wouldn't they be able to develop and implement a community usage plan?

Hope could.  The question is will they.   ???

Why would they hesitate, especially if it is their building?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 08, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
Wishing all the MIAA posters a Happy and Safe Easter! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 08, 2012, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 08, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
Wishing all the MIAA posters a Happy and Safe Easter! :)

Thanks raider. You too!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on April 09, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/08/small-schooler-greenwood-attracts-plenty-of-pre-draft-interest/

Still trying to figure out how to post here, as my post for the MIAA showed up in the main North list, but here is an article about Chris Greenwood of Albion.

I was having a pizza with my son a week ago in Albion and Chris was there at the pizza joint meeting with two scouts from the Dallas Cowboys.  My son said they worked Chris out at Albion the next day.

Good luck to Chris!  He will be dearly missed next year at Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 09, 2012, 06:39:23 PM
Good link Vandy

Long time no post, glad to see the interest in Greenwood.

Greenwood has some interest and will be a late round pick, or get some invites to camp.
He has good speed, a nose for the ball and runs with field awareness.

Do not sleep on speed, notice the Slot, WR, DB's  There is quite a variety of sizes and skills.
Chris will need a opportunity to overcome the small school stigma. Greenwood is not afraid of contact like many speedy DB's, not a arm tackler.

Look at the TE now a days lighter than norm, they are reformed Power Forwards or built like Basketball players,  NFL has become situational, fill a need you will get a chance. Greenwood has mulitple position opportunites DB, Nickel, Dime, Kick return, Punt, Special team coverage.

Anyone heading to the Spring Ball in the MIAA?
I need to check some schedules in town for UofM spring game this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 10, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Hope Chris Greenwood gets a good shot at the NFL! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on April 12, 2012, 09:20:47 AM
Quote from: vandyboy on April 09, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/08/small-schooler-greenwood-attracts-plenty-of-pre-draft-interest/

Still trying to figure out how to post here, as my post for the MIAA showed up in the main North list, but here is an article about Chris Greenwood of Albion.

I was having a pizza with my son a week ago in Albion and Chris was there at the pizza joint meeting with two scouts from the Dallas Cowboys.  My son said they worked Chris out at Albion the next day.

Good luck to Chris!  He will be dearly missed next year at Albion.

Cascarelli's I hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on April 12, 2012, 09:32:35 AM
Cascarelli's it was.   Good places to eat in Albion are limited.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on April 12, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Great place, great family. Was my local watering hole for many years.

I'll be curious to see what kind of effect the new fields at K will have on recruiting this spring.  I can't wait to go back in the fall for my, ahem, 15 year reunion and enjoy the new sights at Angell and the fields.  The leadership at the College is doing a great job, recently approving a 10 year master plan that could mean significant changes for the campus.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on April 12, 2012, 06:25:56 PM
I agree Stinger and vandy....'Rellis is a great place.  Saddly one of the few remaining spots in Albion. 

Greenwood has been getting attention from scouts all season.  It is great to see someone from not only Albion and the MIAA but D3 in general getting this recognition for skills and abilities.  Most recent word other than teams listed in the D3football article is that 49ers as well have put in calls for more film.  It's a great opportunity and I am looking forward to hopefully seeing Greenwood's name pop up in the later rounds of the draft.  He is a solid player and a great kid. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 12, 2012, 10:36:19 PM
Quote from: Stinger on April 12, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Great place, great family. Was my local watering hole for many years.

I'll be curious to see what kind of effect the new fields at K will have on recruiting this spring.  I can't wait to go back in the fall for my, ahem, 15 year reunion and enjoy the new sights at Angell and the fields.  The leadership at the College is doing a great job, recently approving a 10 year master plan that could mean significant changes for the campus.

I think I knew this answer at one time but is this the same Cascerelli family that owned the two Lansing Cascarelli's......one on Logan(aka MLK), and one on Cedar near Mt. Hope I think.  Both were open into the late 80's early 90's before closing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on April 13, 2012, 04:32:25 AM
Quote from: Stinger on April 12, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Great place, great family. Was my local watering hole for many years

May require some memory assistance from Raider68 on this one, but believe Cascarelli's origins were Mt. Pleasant-based.  Thought their original restaurant (great meatball subs) was on South Mission Street between Western Islands Apartments and Preston Street.  Of course, this was "ahem," thirty-seven years ago...  ::) . Last I knew, that location had morphed into a Mexican restaurant.

At CMU rugby alum weekend a few years back (okay, in 2005), some of the young'ns (1990s era) were discussing how the former Cascarelli's downtown (on 123 S Main), and originally the Transport (circa 1920s) had become Marty's.  Wasn't this the pizza emporium we knew as the Blackstone, Raider?  "The times - they are a-changin'."  ;) Fires, buyouts, closures, and bankruptcies have changed complexion, but there's still The Bird and Cabin! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 13, 2012, 11:51:40 AM
Ah yes, you guys are right about the old Cascarelli's in both Mt. Pleasant and Lansing being great places.  Although I come to Albion for the Hope/Albion football games, I guess I did not know (or forgotten) that there was still one there.  sac is rigtht as to the Lansing locations.  Unfortunately, the City of Lansing and the police dept. eventually got court orders to shut it down as it was a constant location for assaults/muggings, shootings, and outright bar fights out in the parking lot at close down time by drunken idiots - no fault of the owners, but just unfortunatley, the jerk clientel that started frequenting the place.  This was so bad within the last several years, as I recall they lost their liquior license and about 4-5 years ago (or it could have been a little longer - I don't quite recall) it was shut down and is no longer.  Very sad, as they had some great food there as mentioned and I recall going to several business dinner gatherings/mini-conferences there in "the good old days".  However, as cave2 alludes to...that's just the life cylce changes. ;)

Also, I also wish Greenwood all the best in his quest to make the NFL.  If he doesn't, I would think he might have a chance at the CFL.  Certainly Arena ball, however and unfortunately, the "buzz" for those muliple level leagues that are in existence has somewhat declined. You Albion guys please keep us posted as to his journey.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 13, 2012, 12:44:25 PM
The stretch of Logan(aka MLK) between  Cavanaugh and just North of Holmes (including the old Cascarelli's site) is a retail wasteland.  Very sad.

Not that it was ever vibrant when I was growing up but its much worse now.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on April 13, 2012, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 13, 2012, 11:51:40 AM
Ah yes, you guys are right about the old Cascarelli's in both Mt. Pleasant and Lansing being great places.  Although I come to Albion for the Hope/Albion football games, I guess I did not know (or forgotten) that there was still one there.  sac is rigtht as to the Lansing locations.  Unfortunately, the City of Lansing and the police dept. eventually got court orders to shut it down as it was a constant location for assaults/muggings, shootings, and outright bar fights out in the parking lot at close down time by drunken idiots - no fault of the owners, but just unfortunatley, the jerk clientel that started frequenting the place.  This was so bad within the last several years, as I recall they lost their liquior license and about 4-5 years ago (or it could have been a little longer - I don't quite recall) it was shut down and is no longer.  Very sad, as they had some great food there as mentioned and I recall going to several business dinner gatherings/mini-conferences there in "the good old days".  However, as cave2 alludes to...that's just the life cylce changes. ;)

Also, I also wish Greenwood all the best in his quest to make the NFL.  If he doesn't, I would think he might have a chance at the CFL.  Certainly Arena ball, however and unfortunately, the "buzz" for those muliple level leagues that are in existence has somewhat declined. You Albion guys please keep us posted as to his journey.
It's too bad some people can't go out and have a good time without acting like fools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on April 13, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
Downtown Albion is a shell of what it used to be.  Still a couple of good places to eat but the main drag has more than it's share of empty storefronts.

I really hope things work out for Chris.  He is a great young man and will be greatly missed next year.  It has been a joy watching him these last three years for me.  One of his most impressive plays I have witnessed was against UW Whitewater in the playoffs.  It was on a long pass play late in the game if I remember correctly where he closed on the ball in the last 15 yards to bat it away at the last second.  Closing speed was very impressive.  Anyway, hope everyone has a good weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 14, 2012, 10:03:25 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on April 13, 2012, 04:32:25 AM
Quote from: Stinger on April 12, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Great place, great family. Was my local watering hole for many years

May require some memory assistance from Raider68 on this one, but believe Cascarelli's origins were Mt. Pleasant-based.  Thought their original restaurant (great meatball subs) was on South Mission Street between Western Islands Apartments and Preston Street.  Of course, this was "ahem," thirty-seven years ago...  ::) . Last I knew, that location had morphed into a Mexican restaurant.

At CMU rugby alum weekend a few years back (okay, in 2005), some of the young'ns (1990s era) were discussing how the former Cascarelli's downtown (on 123 S Main), and originally the Transport (circa 1920s) had become Marty's.  Wasn't this the pizza emporium we knew as the Blackstone, Raider?  "The times - they are a-changin'."  ;) Fires, buyouts, closures, and bankruptcies have changed complexion, but there's still The Bird and Cabin!

I believe it still is the Mexican place if I'm thinking of the right location.  It's the home of the "famous" 5 lb. burrito!

The best "college town" place for a quick pizza in Mt. Pleasant now is The Grotto, which is off of Mission (gosh I can't think of the road, it's going to kill me) and back by the IM softball fields
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 15, 2012, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: Stinger on April 12, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Great place, great family. Was my local watering hole for many years.

I'll be curious to see what kind of effect the new fields at K will have on recruiting this spring.  I can't wait to go back in the fall for my, ahem, 15 year reunion and enjoy the new sights at Angell and the fields.  The leadership at the College is doing a great job, recently approving a 10 year master plan that could mean significant changes for the campus.

Stinger,

We lived in Portage  (Colony Woods)from 1995-1998. Our son played soccer for Porage Central and I followed K-Zoo and MSU while we lived there. We enjoyed the area very much. Yes, it will be interesting to see how K-zoo does in recruting after the upgraded facilities. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on April 19, 2012, 03:35:43 AM
As it's quiet on the football front for at least another week or two (resultant of spring workouts, recruiting news, facility upgrades, and general anticipation), this link from the Wall Street Journal is pretty interesting... bound to create some seismic controversy and isostatic rebound in numerous Bay Area and Sacramento circles.  At least "which" rather than "whose" fault is clearly defined, but the strike/slip shifts are yet to be determined.  ::) ;) 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304432704577350214257041598.html?mod=googlenews_wsj (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304432704577350214257041598.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 19, 2012, 07:40:57 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on April 19, 2012, 03:35:43 AM
As it's quiet on the football front for at least another week or two (resultant of spring workouts, recruiting news, facility upgrades, and general anticipation), this link from the Wall Street Journal is pretty interesting... bound to create some seismic controversy and isostatic rebound in numerous Bay Area and Sacramento circles.  At least "which" rather than "whose" fault is clearly defined, but the strike/slip shifts are yet to be determined.  ::) ;) 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304432704577350214257041598.html?mod=googlenews_wsj (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304432704577350214257041598.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)

All the controversy aside ... having grown up in northern California and been to many a game at Memorial Stadium, I can safely say it is one of those "classic" football bowls.  It may not have the mystique of The Big House or The Horseshoe or Notre Dame Sadium or some of the other "big time" sites, but where else can you sit with a view of San Francisco Bay or watch the late morning fog roll out while tale-gate gatherings take place.  I can't imagine the student body (especially at Cal-Berkeley) tolerating an increase in student fees or "improvements" to the stadium and addition of multi-sport training facility.  We shall see . . .
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on April 19, 2012, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on April 19, 2012, 07:40:57 AM

All the controversy aside ... having grown up in northern California and been to many a game at Memorial Stadium, I can safely say it is one of those "classic" football bowls.  It may not have the mystique of The Big House or The Horseshoe or Notre Dame Sadium or some of the other "big time" sites, but where else can you sit with a view of San Francisco Bay or watch the late morning fog roll out while tale-gate gatherings take place.  I can't imagine the student body (especially at Cal-Berkeley) tolerating an increase in student fees or "improvements" to the stadium and addition of multi-sport training facility.  We shall see . . .

Absolutely, as was the old Stanford Stadium - attended the Axe games of '87 and '88.  Certain architectural gems, like Greek Theatre, the "Tower," and Memorial Stadium are iconic to the Berkley campus.  Agree 100% regarding pre-game atmosphere - it is unique.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 19, 2012, 02:28:50 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on April 19, 2012, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on April 19, 2012, 07:40:57 AM

All the controversy aside ... having grown up in northern California and been to many a game at Memorial Stadium, I can safely say it is one of those "classic" football bowls.  It may not have the mystique of The Big House or The Horseshoe or Notre Dame Sadium or some of the other "big time" sites, but where else can you sit with a view of San Francisco Bay or watch the late morning fog roll out while tale-gate gatherings take place.  I can't imagine the student body (especially at Cal-Berkeley) tolerating an increase in student fees or "improvements" to the stadium and addition of multi-sport training facility.  We shall see . . .

Absolutely, as was the old Stanford Stadium - attended the Axe games of '87 and '88.  Certain architectural gems, like Greek Theatre, the "Tower," and Memorial Stadium are iconic to the Berkley campus.  Agree 100% regarding pre-game atmosphere - it is unique.

Yes ... Stanford Stadium was another classic.  I remember the 1960 US Olympic Track and Field Trials there ... beautiful day, green grass and the red, crushed brick track surface.  After the running event were over, almost everyone in the Stadium stayed around to see Don Bragg set a world record in the pole vault ... 15' 9-1/4" ... with an aluminum pole.  Wonderful memories.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on April 20, 2012, 08:55:15 AM
Haven't read here for awhile (and don't have time to read everything I missed - so appologies if this is not news) - but it is BIG news:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/04/new_synthetic_turf_set_to_roll.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on April 20, 2012, 10:10:36 AM
Great news indeed for Hope!  Given the facility (athletic and academic) improvements Hope has done over the last 5 to 10 years, this really will put the icing on the cake so to speak!  Another great example of the unique relationship between Holland City and the college.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 20, 2012, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on April 20, 2012, 08:55:15 AM
Haven't read here for awhile (and don't have time to read everything I missed - so appologies if this is not news) - but it is BIG news:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/04/new_synthetic_turf_set_to_roll.html

Quote from: Flying Dutchman56 on April 20, 2012, 10:10:36 AM
Great news indeed for Hope!  Given the facility (athletic and academic) improvements Hope has done over the last 5 to 10 years, this really will put the icing on the cake so to speak!  Another great example of the unique relationship between Holland City and the college.

Ditto!  As we had discussed recently about a month ago, this decision needed to be made now so that the field would be ready for this fall; otherwise, it would have been delayed for another season.  I agree that this is another example of longstanding unique relationship that Hope College has with the City of Holland.  All the parties (the 3 head admininstrators, Pres. Bultman, City Manager Robinson, and Superintendent Davis) involved have been working hard to complete a mutual agreement that would be beneficial to all parties involved and I know that Coach Kreps and his staff will be (are) more than pleased with this news.  Personally, I agree (as I'm sure many others do) that Hope College needs to own the stadium and it appears that will eventually be worked out as well.  This will solve a longstanding problem that, essentially, has been present from the beginning i.e. that stadium was built to replace and solve the same problems of the old city owned stadium, Riverview Park, however, the same problems existed i.e. the field conditions and same parties of use because synthetic turf was never put in as was originally planned and among some of the main reasons for a new stadium in the first place.  So yes, this is joyous news and compliments to those involved for mutually working this out.  Hope will now not be the "doormat" of the MIAA as far as football field turf. :)

Now, the only question remains...are we going to get blue or orange turf? ;D :o ::) :D ;)  Just kidding!!! ;) (although perhaps we could have that in the endzone - and a little red somewhere for Holland High School?  or at least their logo?).

Anyway, thanks for posting the news for us. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 20, 2012, 12:17:20 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on April 20, 2012, 08:55:15 AM
Haven't read here for awhile (and don't have time to read everything I missed - so appologies if this is not news) - but it is BIG news:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/04/new_synthetic_turf_set_to_roll.html

Obvious, this is great news.  Given the aesthetic and functional improvements to most of Hope's facilities (baseball, soccer, softball, basketball, tennis) I have no doubt that within a year or so Hope will come up with a very nice plan for the stadium and its surroundings beyond what this article mentions. 



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on April 20, 2012, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 20, 2012, 11:56:52 AM
Now, the only question remains...are we going to get blue or orange turf? ;D :o ::) :D ;)  Just kidding!!! ;) (although perhaps we could have that in the endzone - and a little red somewhere for Holland High School?  or at least their logo?).

Anyway, thanks for posting the news for us.

The Hope website is showing this:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F12MunicipalField455.jpg&hash=8ef5dd2d702adbeb01a035796d731d6948b5705f)

Not sure if that is what's actually coming, or just an example of what could be
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 20, 2012, 03:48:37 PM
FDF:
That looks really great.  Also, if you look at the arial photo on Hope's athletic website showing the athletic complex, you can see the middle portion of the football field's bare spot without quesiton i.e. between the 40 yard lines as compared to the nice totally dark green synthetic turf of the Van Andle Soccer/Lacrosse Stadium at the top of the photo. 

The other aspects that should be done in a "Phase II" renovation of the stadium, some of which are already to be in such a plan according to the article is that concession stands and restrooms need some renovation/improvements; also, IMO, we need to have a new football locker room and coaches offices/min-training room in a building at the north open end of the stadium.  The current training room/locker rooms then can be used also for the soccer and lacrosse, even though that stadium has locker rooms and a small training room.  The current training room is bigger, so the soccer/lacrosse mini-training room could just be used for game days -they are that small.

Thereafter, all we need to do in a "Phase III" is get synthetic turf the practice field in the middle of the track were the final pre-season intrasquad team scrimmage is held at the end of August each year! :D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 21, 2012, 03:57:35 PM
FDF, formerd3db,

Great news for Hope, the proposed layout would look good! Hope they can make it happen. :) Formerd3db, you saw another good field design in the playoffs at Mount Union last fall.  :) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 21, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 21, 2012, 03:57:35 PM
FDF, formerd3db,

Great news for Hope, the proposed layout would look good! Hope they can make it happen. :) Formerd3db, you saw another good field design in the playoffs at Mount Union last fall.  :) ;D

Indeed, I did.  Nice atmosphere there as you well know. ;)  And yes, the proposed layout looks very good.  It appears the field is going in and will be ready for the first game this season.  It will be a very different look for sure.  BTW, hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 21, 2012, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 21, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 21, 2012, 03:57:35 PM
FDF, formerd3db,

Great news for Hope, the proposed layout would look good! Hope they can make it happen. :) Formerd3db, you saw another good field design in the playoffs at Mount Union last fall.  :) ;D

Indeed, I did.  Nice atmosphere there as you well know. ;)  And yes, the proposed layout looks very good.  It appears the field is going in and will be ready for the first game this season.  It will be a very different look for sure.  BTW, hope you are doing well.

formerd3db,

You as well! Check your PM later on Sunday. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on April 24, 2012, 08:49:06 AM
http://nflmocks.com/2012/04/15/name-to-remember-chris-greenwood-cb-albion/

Another nice tidbit about Chris Greenwood.  Big week for Chris.  Wish him all best for the upcoming draft.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SUADC on April 24, 2012, 04:54:14 PM
Quote from: vandyboy on April 24, 2012, 08:49:06 AM
http://nflmocks.com/2012/04/15/name-to-remember-chris-greenwood-cb-albion/

Another nice tidbit about Chris Greenwood.  Big week for Chris.  Wish him all best for the upcoming draft.

This is awesome, looking forward to hearing his name. I wish him the best as well. Good to see guys from Division III getting some attention.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on April 27, 2012, 09:56:58 AM
There continues to be debate with K and it's neighbors whether or not to include lighting with its new fields project.  Here is a letter to the editor from President EWO, and a response from the neighborhood association.  Any thoughts?

http://www.mlive.com/opinion/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/04/kalamazoo_college_athletic_fie.html (http://www.mlive.com/opinion/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/04/kalamazoo_college_athletic_fie.html)

http://www.mlive.com/opinion/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/04/kalamazoo_college_should_elimi.html (http://www.mlive.com/opinion/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/04/kalamazoo_college_should_elimi.html)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 27, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
Doesn't WMU's Waldo Stadium right across the street have lights? Or is it far enough away that it doesn't bother the neighbors?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on April 27, 2012, 11:35:35 AM
It does have lights, and they're on quite a bit. However, I think they are too far away to bother the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 27, 2012, 04:35:11 PM
While they are entitled to their opinion, the Neighborhood Association's concerns are ludicrous, IMO, for several reasons.  First, the independent evaluator who they jointly hired with the College (as indicated by the article) made the recommendation that there would be no adverse affects for having football stadium lighting.  Secondly, the neighbors are misguided in thinking that night lighting is going to be somehow detrimental to their "well being".  The College is not going to keep them on all night and I would not doubt for a minute that the College would not make some agreement stipulations as to when in the evening the lights would be turned out - certainly there is no way they would keep them on all night and I'd bet (if I were a betting man ;)) that they would even agree to a specific time for turnoff, such as say 10 PM for example.  Third, the College already said and agreed to in the initial "memorandum of agreement" that they would limit the number of evenings in any given week that lights would be able to be used for any purposes, including football as well as the fact that they made the agreement that no night football games would be played for a couple of years.  Moreover, the Neighborhood Association's claim that they would not be able to revisit the issue or voice concerns in the future is ridiculous as that could easily be settled by entering into an agreement i.e. in the final agreement with the College and the City that if there were any issues of detriment that could be legitimately proven once the the stadium lighting had been in effect after a couple of years, that there would be allowance for revisiting the issue and possibly working out a mutually agreeable solution.  These people (the Neighborhood Association) are just p.o.'ed that the College has made renovations to the athletic complex.  As stated in the article and as everyone knows (and the Neighborhood Association acknowledges), the College had no other options because there was no other land available for acquisition in expanding the college so the physical plant is limited.  Do you really think the Neighbors would ever sell their properties to the College in the long-term future? I doubt it.  Also, other college campuses in our MIAA have not had problems with this (and most of the stadiums are next to private housing and neighborhoods).  The Kazoo neighbors need to quit whining and grow up.  Sounds like the usual situation in many cities where someone always has to be difficult, complain - and this particular situation is nothing compared to some of those type of situations which have much more legit concerns and real possible detriments.  It's unfortunate, however, as many of us know, this attitude has been one that has plagued Kazoo College for decades.  It's too bad they do not have the type of relationship that some of the other MIAA colleges have with their communities (and that doesn't even mention the "disconnect" the College has had with many of its academic faculty regarding athletics for decades either, but...I won't even go there with that one right now! ;D :o ::) ;) :)).  Just my opinion on this and I hope that the City agrees with the College on this one.  No reason not to in the scenario I've outlined. :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 28, 2012, 02:39:28 PM
Albion CB Chris Greenwood drafted in the 5th round by the Detroit Lions.  Congratulations to Chris.


I had the volume off but the Lions pick came from a trade with Oakland, maybe the Lions moved UP to get him. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on April 28, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: sac on April 28, 2012, 02:39:28 PM
Albion CB Chris Greenwood drafted in the 5th round by the Detroit Lions.  Congratulations to Chris.


I had the volume off but the Lions pick came from a trade with Oakland, maybe the Lions moved UP to get him. :)

Yep, Lions moved up into Oakland's spot to get Greenwood in the fifth round: http://sidelionreport.com/2012/04/28/detroit-lions-select-chris-greenwood-in-fifth-round-of-2012-nfl-draft/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: oldknight on April 28, 2012, 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: ziggy on April 28, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: sac on April 28, 2012, 02:39:28 PM
Albion CB Chris Greenwood drafted in the 5th round by the Detroit Lions.  Congratulations to Chris.


I had the volume off but the Lions pick came from a trade with Oakland, maybe the Lions moved UP to get him. :)

Yep, Lions moved up into Oakland's spot to get Greenwood in the fifth round: http://sidelionreport.com/2012/04/28/detroit-lions-select-chris-greenwood-in-fifth-round-of-2012-nfl-draft/

Greenwood played high school football at Detroit Martin Luther King--the same school that produced Flenard Whitfield who played basketball for Western Michigan University, and these two must have played together at MLK. Whitfield was an outstanding high school football player who turned down offers from SEC schools to play hoops and star for Steve Hawkins the last four years. As it turns out, Whitfield has decided to play next fall for Bill Cubit on the Broncos football team for one year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on April 28, 2012, 04:05:56 PM
Congratulations to Chris Greenwood and to Albion!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 28, 2012, 04:25:15 PM
This little blurb at the bottom of the miaa.org press release caught my eye.


Greenwood is the first MIAA player taken in the NFL draft since Albion linebacker Barry Siler was selected by the New Orleans Saints in the eighth round of the 1967 draft.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 28, 2012, 04:44:51 PM
Quote from: sac on April 28, 2012, 04:25:15 PM
This little blurb at the bottom of the miaa.org press release caught my eye.


Greenwood is the first MIAA player taken in the NFL draft since Albion linebacker Barry Siler was selected by the New Orleans Saints in the eighth round of the 1967 draft.

Josh Brehn was at the Lions rookie mini camp

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/football/archives/2007/05/01/brehmc
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 28, 2012, 05:31:58 PM
Congrats to Chris Greenwood and Albion on being drafted. Another D3 player in the NFL! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 28, 2012, 05:45:00 PM
Quote from: oldknight on April 28, 2012, 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: ziggy on April 28, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: sac on April 28, 2012, 02:39:28 PM
Albion CB Chris Greenwood drafted in the 5th round by the Detroit Lions.  Congratulations to Chris.


I had the volume off but the Lions pick came from a trade with Oakland, maybe the Lions moved UP to get him. :)

Yep, Lions moved up into Oakland's spot to get Greenwood in the fifth round: http://sidelionreport.com/2012/04/28/detroit-lions-select-chris-greenwood-in-fifth-round-of-2012-nfl-draft/

Greenwood played high school football at Detroit Martin Luther King--the same school that produced Flenard Whitfield who played basketball for Western Michigan University, and these two must have played together at MLK. Whitfield was an outstanding high school football player who turned down offers from SEC schools to play hoops and star for Steve Hawkins the last four years. As it turns out, Whitfield has decided to play next fall for Bill Cubit on the Broncos football team for one year.

Green Bay's first round #28 pick Nick Perry (USC) also played for MLK in 2007.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 29, 2012, 08:19:53 AM
Conrats to Chris

The King team was 14-0 and has numerous quality players, who are playing College and now Pro sports.


I expect there will be a few more DIII players each year, as the profile for players and research expands.
Players grow after 18 years of age and many are missed because of the lack of sheer size, come from a small school, HS> coaching staff does not promote players to D1 coaches, to get a offer at D1. The player then grows in size and some quality coaching to improve on their athletic talents, becomes a "sleeper" in the draft.

D3DB great to see the Hope football turf coming in.  Another excuse for me to get back in town to see a game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 29, 2012, 09:11:04 PM
Yes, congratulations to Greenwood.  He reminds me of a previous Detroit Lions DB of a few years ago, Bruce McNorton, who came from little Georgetown, KY and became a Lions starter.  I think Chris has a good chance.

D306:
Yes, it is great and also, hopefully see you sometime this year.  Also, same to you i.e. it is great that Albion now has the new turf.  I am looking forward to seeing their new athletic facilities improvement with the lacrosse/soccer stadium/field, baseball, softball, etc.

sflzman and sac:

That is true but also remember that Alma had Mark Kornecky, back in the late 1980's who played with Miami in the strike year, however, after being cut by the Jets the next season, he made it with the Philadelphia Eagles and was the NFC's leading punt returner, being the Eagles main punt returner.  Unfortunately, the next season (his third), he had a career ending knee injury in pre-season after signing with the NY Jets as I recall.  There have been a number of MIAA players over the years who have made the NFL since the 1950's (as I recall, Joe Felton of Albion also played in the NFL in the strike year and with the Lions).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: frank uible on April 30, 2012, 05:07:10 AM
Given Greenwood's eye popping "numbers", it should be no surprise that he has been drafted in the 5th round. His progress will be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 30, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
I realize other MIAA players have had their cup of coffee in the NFL, I was focusing on the draft itself.  45 years is long time for no player to get drafted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on April 30, 2012, 02:22:11 PM
Quote from: sac on April 30, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
I realize other MIAA players have had their cup of coffee in the NFL, I was focusing on the draft itself.  45 years is long time for no player to get drafted.

Not to mention a 5th round pick.  Very impressive.  I wish him well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 07, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
Interesting and surprising news from Hope College today (although perhaps not so surprising given the recent sequence of events involved  :o ::) ;D).  President James Bultman and his wife have been asked and graciously accepted the offer from the College's Board of Trustees to stay on for one more year.  Dr. Bultman (a former Hope standout athlete himself and former Head Baseball Coach/Assist. Football Coach and former Dean of the Education/Social Sciences Department at Hope; and also former President of Northwestern College in Iowa), who has been president of the college since 1999, announced his retirement a year ago, which was to have taken place at the end of next month i.e. June 2012.  However, due to a "glitch" in the search process for a new president for the College, the Board of Trustees were unable to come up with a replacement and, thus, the Bultman's have answered the call once more to help their alma mater out. His wife Martie, also a Hope grad, has been extremely active in many of the College's programs, providing extraordinary service also and she received an honorary degree from the College this weekend at graduation.  Anyway, not exactly what he and his wife planned, I'm sure, but...more than unselfish and noble I would say in their service to their alma mater and its students and the community. ;)  Hope is so very fortunate in such a situation to say the least. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 07, 2012, 10:24:36 PM
Just long enough to see them rename the football stadium Bultman Field?  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 08, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 07, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
Interesting and surprising news from Hope College today (although perhaps not so surprising given the recent sequence of events involved  :o ::) ;D).  President James Bultman and his wife have been asked and graciously accepted the offer from the College's Board of Trustees to stay on for one more year.  Dr. Bultman (a former Hope standout athlete himself and former Head Baseball Coach/Assist. Football Coach and former Dean of the Education/Social Sciences Department at Hope; and also former President of Northwestern College in Iowa), who has been president of the college since 1999, announced his retirement a year ago, which was to have taken place at the end of next month i.e. June 2012.  However, due to a "glitch" in the search process for a new president for the College, the Board of Trustees were unable to come up with a replacement and, thus, the Bultman's have answered the call once more to help their alma mater out. His wife Martie, also a Hope grad, has been extremely active in many of the College's programs, providing extraordinary service also and she received an honorary degree from the College this weekend at graduation.  Anyway, not exactly what he and his wife planned, I'm sure, but...more than unselfish and noble I would say in their service to their alma mater and its students and the community. ;)  Hope is so very fortunate in such a situation to say the least. 

formerd3db,

When a school has benefited from a great leader, trying to find his replacement is a tall order! Fortunately President Bultman is willing to stay on . :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2012, 10:39:01 PM
Raider68:

You have said it all and I couldn't agree with you more.  No disrespect to whoever eventually is chosen to replace President Bultman, however, it is going to be extremely difficult to find someone that will be of his calibur.  Obviously, each individual has their own way of making contributions in such a leadership position and that is all good.  Yet, I think it will be a tough challenge to follow and continue in the direction that Bultman and his wife have guided the College - they have set "the bar high" unselfishly.  I hope (pun not intended) that the Board of Trustees gets it right this time.  Perhaps having the extra time for this now will be of some benefit to them in the process.  But yes, we are fortunate the Bultmans have graciously agreed to delay their retirement and guide the College for one more year. 

sac:

That certainly could have been a consideration, although as you know, the new Student Center is named for the Bultman's.  I do, however, think a new name for the stadium needs to be chosen once Hope completes the deal in buying it from the City of Holland.  The question then becomes which Hope coaching greats do you honor? There are so many...Smith, Hinga, DeVette, Schouten.  Perhaps a hyphenated i.e. combo name would be best (like Wittenberg has), but then again who?  For sure, Schouten is one of my favorites from the traditional historic point and I wouldn't mind seeing that, however, Smith would be a logical one two.  How about Hinga-DeVette Field at Smith-Schouten Stadium? ??? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 10, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
I confess that I had forgotten that baseball HoFer Barry Larkin was a UM football player (defensive back).  Implied (not said outright) in the article is that just about the scariest thing he ever did was tell Bo he was dropping football to concentrate on baseball ;):

http://annarbor.com/sports/um-football/quitting-on-bo-schembechler-was-no-easy-task-for-baseball-hall-of-fame-bound-barry-larkin/

While Bo had a real soft spot for 'Rudy-type' players who stuck it out and really fought hard, for him to frequently 'heckle' (tongue-in-cheek, I'm assuming) a 'quitter' like Larkin suggests to me that Barry had 'All-American' written all over him - anyone recall seeing him play?  (I love the line: 'come out and hit a man who can hit back, not some sissy baseball!' ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 10, 2012, 09:23:18 PM
Despite the tone of that article Bo was an avid baseball supporter at UM games and could frequently be found a few rows right behind the plate with his wife, and many times with former UM players. 

It's how I got his wife Millie's, Bo's and Rick Leach's autograph on a single scorecard that I still have somewhere.

Larkin's left side of the infield teammate was Chris Sabo his first season.  And in his time there were 6 or 7 of his other teammates that eventually made the major leagues and many others who never quite made it.  Those were some good teams.


I saw those Michigan teams several times, Larkin was one of several very good players and was easily the best.  It was pretty clear he was destined for a pro-career though I doubt anyone thought it would be a HOF career.  Larkin comes from big family of athletes with a brother/cousins or two who played Division 1 sports.  No one was to surprised when he left Michigan a year early to go to the pros.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 11, 2012, 08:04:33 AM
The work has begun on the football field in Holland:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120510dFBStadium4.jpg&hash=f3d42eb1dc6c30178c9a3b5a50cca0eda2b22c20)

So long, sod!!


Here's a link to a webpage that will track the progress in pictures

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumone.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 11, 2012, 09:45:00 AM
There's something funny about the photo where they put the benches back on the dirt.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120510dFBStadium8.jpg&hash=b30f48b6995e29af46d673dbdbb282a1776c779d)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 14, 2012, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: sac on May 11, 2012, 09:45:00 AM
There's something funny about the photo where they put the benches back on the dirt.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120510dFBStadium8.jpg&hash=b30f48b6995e29af46d673dbdbb282a1776c779d)

Thanks for the update photo, sac.  It is exciting.  Also, fortunately for Hope, the project is not quite so involved as compared to some small colleges that have to do a much more extensive renovation of their acutal stadiums in addition to the fields.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on May 14, 2012, 08:12:06 PM
Quote from: sac on May 11, 2012, 09:45:00 AM
There's something funny about the photo where they put the benches back on the dirt.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120510dFBStadium8.jpg&hash=b30f48b6995e29af46d673dbdbb282a1776c779d)

sac, formerd3db,

Nice Pics for progress! It will be great when completed! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 14, 2012, 09:46:45 PM
Raider68:

Indeed.  It will be a very different look.  I can't wait until stepping on the field for the first time in Sept (if not before!). ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 19, 2012, 11:01:06 AM
Right behind the football stadium Hope's putting in some new pools, looks like they're up to painting in the water.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ftennisstadiumconstruction%2F120516dTennisStadium63.jpg&hash=08d7f14756892e7ee384588a5b0bf0a37cbb5162)

Actually its the new outdoor tennis facility, lots going on over there.
http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/tennissix.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope52 on May 20, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
yes all they need now is new locker rooms
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 21, 2012, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: hope52 on May 20, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
yes all they need now is new locker rooms

Agreed.  There are many who want to see that happen -that would be a plan for a future phase.  Some of us, including the coaches can envision a football complex building at the open end of the stadium (north) with locker rooms (one for Hope and a double one i.e. one for Holland High School with a partion that can be for the visiting teams, both college and high school), with football offices, a concourse upper level with large windows overlooking the field, athletic training room and an office and equipment room and storage.  That would be great.  The exisiting locker room can be then soley used for soccer and lacrosse, still keeping the athletic training room that is there in place as well and...letting the city keep sole use of its own swimming pool and locker rooms that are currently used for football games in the fall. ;) ;)  All of this is on the "wish list", however, I don't see why it couldn't eventually happen. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 21, 2012, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: hope52 on May 20, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
yes all they need now is new locker rooms

wish list
--new concessions
--new press box
--new sound system
--new scoreboard
--new stadium style seating area
--new winning attitude
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 21, 2012, 11:44:57 PM
Quote from: sac on May 21, 2012, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: hope52 on May 20, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
yes all they need now is new locker rooms

wish list
--new concessions
--new press box
--new sound system
--new scoreboard
--new stadium style seating area
--new winning attitude

I think we'll have at least 4 out of those six in your list sooner than the other two. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on May 24, 2012, 02:21:13 PM
Rumor has it that former Albion standout LB Glen Brittich has been hired by Hope.  Reports indicate that former teammates are quoted saying "we never really liked him anyways....GO BRITS". 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 03, 2012, 09:51:22 PM
Quote from: sac on May 21, 2012, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: hope52 on May 20, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
yes all they need now is new locker rooms

wish list
--new concessions
--new press box
--new sound system
--new scoreboard
--new stadium style seating area
--new winning attitude

sac, formerd3db,

Any updates on the Hope Facilities? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on June 04, 2012, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 03, 2012, 09:51:22 PM
Quote from: sac on May 21, 2012, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: hope52 on May 20, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
yes all they need now is new locker rooms

wish list
--new concessions
--new press box
--new sound system
--new scoreboard
--new stadium style seating area
--new winning attitude

sac, formerd3db,

Any updates on the Hope Facilities? :)

Drove past the stadium this weekend and took a peek at the progress.  Lots of dirt and heavy equipment. 

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120516dFBStadium15.jpg&hash=74042ef9bf7b83645ae258d91a11777c71409004)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 04, 2012, 03:22:57 PM
Raider 68:

FDF posted the latest photo of the football stadium construction progress.  I suspect we'll see some "green" very soon.

As to the other athletic construction project currently underway, the new outdoor tennis facility, which is right next to the football and baseball stadiums (somewhat "sandwiched" in between) are just about fully completed.  In fact, according to Hope's athletic website posting from this weekend, they are going to be used this summer for some specialized tournaments.  These have some stadium single row seating for spectators and a long walkway behind, overlooking the various courts.  This gives Hope College a "double plus" as it now has both outdoor courts and the indoor tennis facility (DeWitt Tennis Center).  The old college courts on campus are still used for students and community, those being over by dorms and the now general student recreational/physical education facility, which was the former athletic center for all until the huge DeVos arena and athletic facilities/offices was built more recently.

There are other major campus buildings in the works, including a huge new student center, dorms, new music center,etc.  The old huge student center, which pretty much administration offices and bookstore now, and is still a very beautiful modern looking building (which fits in well with the preserved historic buildings of the campus) will continue as administration offices.  Hope has preserved much of their historic buildings, but with these additional modern buildings added to the more recent huge science center, Hawthorne Convention Center/Dorms, Communications/Journalism building, etc., I think Hope is pretty much set for many years to come. Kind of like Mount Union has essentially done in the last 2 decades.  At least we've finally come into an updated "state" with many of the other DIII schools in regards to the football stadium, although I dare say our basketball, volleyball facility with its NBA arena type setting, permanent individual seating, concourse, etc., is the best in DIII, and for that matter, a DI facility (in fact better than many DI schools ;D :)). 

Anyway, I hope your early summer is going well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 04, 2012, 03:56:24 PM
formerd3db's report on all the progress on the Hope campus sounds great.  I remember what a boost it was at U of Dubuque when they got new buildings that fit in architecturally with the old ones (the first ever building on campus did get torn down however) ... and the addition of new athletic facilities and fields and coaches offices lifted the spirits of many alums.   Now it is a great feeling to sit in the new stadium ... watch a restored football program win games ... catch replays on the big scoreboard ... and look forward to future success.  I guess with the big lake in between, there isn't much hope for a Flying Dutchmen vs. Spartans football game unless they meet somewhere along in the D3 playoffs.  One can dream.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 04, 2012, 06:21:01 PM
DBQ1965:

I suppose that possibility might not be all that "far-fetched" i.e. a Dubuque vs. Hope football game for some future year.  However, it would be a least two years if that were able to be arranged due to the MIAA-CCIW arrangement is done in after 2013.  The MIAA-NAC Challenge is just starting so, obviously, that only leaves the two additional slots.  Dubuque would not be that much farther in comparison as far as the travel distance.  It would be neat to see that happen.

I am sorry to hear that Dubuque tore its "Old Main" down; some schools have unfortunately done that (such as Ferris State).  However, it is good that Dubuque kept some of their other old buildings.  Anyway, hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 04, 2012, 07:22:00 PM
Sometimes old buildings are historic and/or antique.  Sometimes they are simply old. ::)

I have no idea which is the case for Dubuque.  In Ypsi, we have a building which was (among other things) a Civil War Barracks.  A developer began restoration work (after our most notorious slumlord - now in prison - had let it suffer 'demolition by neglect' for a decade) about 6 years ago; I was all for restoration.  Alas, 4-5 years ago a homeless squatter set it afire.  The necessary props to keep from total collapse blocked parts of two (major) streets for a couple of years.  They have been removed, but restoration would now mean essentially nothing of the original remaining, and the restorer is now begging for funding.  I have reached the point of 'tear the poor thing down'.  The absolute exterior is still 'noteworthy', but it just wouldn't be the historic building.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 04, 2012, 07:41:18 PM
Those are valid points, Mr. Ypsi.  Indeed, that can be a tough decision for some colleges/universities (and/or cities).  The only aspect that I have always maintained disappointment with is the fact that in some situations, the "powers that be" end up making the decision only based on the premise of "urban renewal" and that only.  They, IMO, erroneously suggest that it's simply "progress in today's society". I've seen situations where the cost of renovation and builidng a new structure are either the same or nearly the same, yet those with the decision say simply that they must have "new".  I've then seen where this has "backfired" years later and then it is, of course, too late.  You can't bring it back from the wrecking ball.  I know of one situaion, Alma College, my brother's alma mater as you know.  I love that school also, however, several years ago after their Old Main was destroyed in a fire, they then decided to tear down the remaining historic old structures except one, which thankfully they kept (the Hood Building built in 1899 and finished in 1900, which is part of the public relations dept. now - it used to be a museum and also used for recruiting purposes during the first and second WW's). Alma's campus, while beautiful, is essentially all modern buildings now, save for the Hood and their old 1928 gymnasium (which is now a very nice art center), the 1880's President's house, (which is now the Alumni House, which is neat) and some surrounding old 1880's-1890's Victorian Homes (which are frats and sorority houses).  They also built a "modern" version this past decade of one of their oldest historic dorms on the original site, which they tore down back in the 1970's along with those other buildings, and while this new one is nice, it just isn't the same.  I've seen some small towns and cities do the same thing and now it is much regretted.  Hope did a nice job of "doing both" sides of the coin, IMO. 

In summary, I realize you can't save every old building, however, there indeed are situations where that should be a priority and certainly can be a "plus".  Each organization/institution has to consider the advantages/disadvantages and what is best for the overall plan. Finally, in fairness to "full disclosure", I admit that perhaps I am biased somewhat due to my personal interest in history and also since my late father was an architect, who loved the value of both new,modern design and historic preservation.  He always seemed to find the right and appropriate balance for that.  BTW, he was one of the architects on the St. Louis Arch (although I think I've mentioned that to some here in the past).  Anyway, nice "off-season" discussions here, my friends. ;D ;)

Hope all is well with you, too, Mr. Ypsi.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 05, 2012, 05:20:50 PM
formerd3db -- It would really help if you broke your posts up into more paragraphs. That's a big block of text that's tough to read.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 05, 2012, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 05, 2012, 05:20:50 PM
formerd3db -- It would really help if you broke your posts up into more paragraphs. That's a big block of text that's tough to read.  :-\

Will do Pat.  Always aim to please!  I guess I just am "O-C" about getting all the details in. ;D ;)  You have a keen eye for editing due to your profession; I guess I've relied more on editors for my published books for that "stuff"!  But, yes, I can do better. :)

Hope you and family are doing well and enjoying the start of summer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 05, 2012, 08:34:34 PM
Re: earlier posts about old buildings on campus being razed ... Steffens Hall (originally called the Administration Building) at the U. of Dubuque was built in 1907 ... four floors containing dorm rooms, classrooms, offices, the campus library, the campus post office ... and my Chaplain's Office.  It was a magnificent brick structure with some wonderful architectural touches including an open rotunda on the main and second floors ... and some great exterior stone arches.  But over the years "deferred maintenance" caught up with the building and it had to be torn down in 1980.  Some of the arches were preserved.  I think its demolition had as much to do with safety and the astronomical cost of bringing the building up to modern standards.  It was a sentimental loss ... but the decision to take it down was part of an effective long-range vision. 

By the way ... you can see a few UD campus buildings in "Field of Dreams" when Kevin Coster is showing walking from the library (actually Van Vliet Hall) to his pick up on Algona Ave.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 05, 2012, 08:37:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 04, 2012, 03:22:57 PM
Raider 68:

FDF posted the latest photo of the football stadium construction progress.  I suspect we'll see some "green" very soon.

As to the other athletic construction project currently underway, the new outdoor tennis facility, which is right next to the football and baseball stadiums (somewhat "sandwiched" in between) are just about fully completed.  In fact, according to Hope's athletic website posting from this weekend, they are going to be used this summer for some specialized tournaments.  These have some stadium single row seating for spectators and a long walkway behind, overlooking the various courts.  This gives Hope College a "double plus" as it now has both outdoor courts and the indoor tennis facility (DeWitt Tennis Center).  The old college courts on campus are still used for students and community, those being over by dorms and the now general student recreational/physical education facility, which was the former athletic center for all until the huge DeVos arena and athletic facilities/offices was built more recently.

There are other major campus buildings in the works, including a huge new student center, dorms, new music center,etc.  The old huge student center, which pretty much administration offices and bookstore now, and is still a very beautiful modern looking building (which fits in well with the preserved historic buildings of the campus) will continue as administration offices.  Hope has preserved much of their historic buildings, but with these additional modern buildings added to the more recent huge science center, Hawthorne Convention Center/Dorms, Communications/Journalism building, etc., I think Hope is pretty much set for many years to come. Kind of like Mount Union has essentially done in the last 2 decades.  At least we've finally come into an updated "state" with many of the other DIII schools in regards to the football stadium, although I dare say our basketball, volleyball facility with its NBA arena type setting, permanent individual seating, concourse, etc., is the best in DIII, and for that matter, a DI facility (in fact better than many DI schools ;D :)). 

Anyway, I hope your early summer is going well.

formerd3db, sac, Flying Dutch Fan,

Thanks for the update! Looks like Hope is really making fine progress! Great facilities really help the school compete for all those students and student-athletes who consider the school. The reality is that small schools have to make the investments, since it is all about enrollment in a competitive college atmosphere, especially when other schools are more affordable. Formerd3db, you have seen Mount Union and the Board made those investments over the years and it keeps Mount competitive. :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 05, 2012, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 05, 2012, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 05, 2012, 05:20:50 PM
formerd3db -- It would really help if you broke your posts up into more paragraphs. That's a big block of text that's tough to read.  :-\

Will do Pat.  Always aim to please!  I guess I just am "O-C" about getting all the details in. ;D ;)  You have a keen eye for editing due to your profession; I guess I've relied more on editors for my published books for that "stuff"!  But, yes, I can do better. :)

Hope you and family are doing well and enjoying the start of summer.

It's going well. Kids' last day of school is this week. I just went back to full-time work last month after spending seven months doing D3 full time (not enough money).

You can put details in but multiple paragraphs -- really, just making text blocks smaller -- makes text more accessible and easier to read.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 06, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
Pat:
Glad to here you and family are doing well and that you are back in full-time employement (although we certainly appreciate those efforts in DIII as you do and have done).

DBQ and Raider68:
Thanks for the additional info. Certainly agree.  Hope you guys are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 06, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 06, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
Pat:
Glad to here you and family are doing well and that you are back in full-time employement (although we certainly appreciate those efforts in DIII as you do and have done).

DBQ and Raider68:
Thanks for the additional info. Certainly agree.  Hope you guys are doing well.

Doing well ... fighting a hamstring problem that is interferring with my running.  Being 70 I guess things start to happen.  Looking forward to seeing the new field at Hope ... maybe for the home opener against North Park.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on June 06, 2012, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 06, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 06, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
Pat:
Glad to here you and family are doing well and that you are back in full-time employement (although we certainly appreciate those efforts in DIII as you do and have done).

DBQ and Raider68:
Thanks for the additional info. Certainly agree.  Hope you guys are doing well.

Doing well ... fighting a hamstring problem that is interferring with my running.  Being 70 I guess things start to happen.  Looking forward to seeing the new field at Hope ... maybe for the home opener against North Park.
We started incorporating backwards running as part of our cool down with the track team I coach. You don't have to do alot we did 30 yards/six times using the football field. It might help.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 06, 2012, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on June 06, 2012, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 06, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 06, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
Pat:
Glad to here you and family are doing well and that you are back in full-time employement (although we certainly appreciate those efforts in DIII as you do and have done).

DBQ and Raider68:
Thanks for the additional info. Certainly agree.  Hope you guys are doing well.

Doing well ... fighting a hamstring problem that is interferring with my running.  Being 70 I guess things start to happen.  Looking forward to seeing the new field at Hope ... maybe for the home opener against North Park.
We started incorporating backwards running as part of our cool down with the track team I coach. You don't have to do alot we did 30 yards/six times using the football field. It might help.

Thanks.  I'll try that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on June 11, 2012, 10:01:59 AM
New pic posted on the field update in Holland

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120608dFootballStadium16.jpg&hash=0348e1eeb70fc258ae35827809f3c435712d38a0)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 12, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
formerd3db,

Congrats on reaching 900+k! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 13, 2012, 11:55:46 PM
Thanks Raider68.  You are getting up there yourself.  Perhaps you'll catch up with Pat, Ralph Turner, G Sager and many others! ;D  Maybe that just means we have been around here on these boards a long time! :o ::) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2012, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2012, 11:55:46 PM
Thanks Raider68.  You are getting up there yourself.  Perhaps you'll catch up with Pat, Ralph Turner, G Sager and many others! ;D  Maybe that just means we have been around here on these boards a long time! :o ::) ;D ;)

And then there are those of us who made the mistake of getting on the Politics board (as virtually the lone liberal) and losing 3-400 points! ::)

Using my best Marlon Brando voice (as Terry in On The Waterfront): I coulda been a contender. 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 14, 2012, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2012, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2012, 11:55:46 PM
Thanks Raider68.  You are getting up there yourself.  Perhaps you'll catch up with Pat, Ralph Turner, G Sager and many others! ;D  Maybe that just means we have been around here on these boards a long time! :o ::) ;D ;)

And then there are those of us who made the mistake of getting on the Politics board (as virtually the lone liberal) and losing 3-400 points! ::)

Using my best Marlon Brando voice (as Terry in On The Waterfront): I coulda been a contender. 8-)

Yes, Mr. Ypsi, my good friend, you have more courage than me in that regard. :) :  I was going to include you in that short list, but I remembered you had ventured into that arena you are talking about!  :o ::) ;D  I guess that comes from my college "denfensive background".  ;)  Anyway, +k for you! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on June 14, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 14, 2012, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2012, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2012, 11:55:46 PM
Thanks Raider68.  You are getting up there yourself.  Perhaps you'll catch up with Pat, Ralph Turner, G Sager and many others! ;D  Maybe that just means we have been around here on these boards a long time! :o ::) ;D ;)

And then there are those of us who made the mistake of getting on the Politics board (as virtually the lone liberal) and losing 3-400 points! ::)

Using my best Marlon Brando voice (as Terry in On The Waterfront): I coulda been a contender. 8-)

Yes, Mr. Ypsi, my good friend, you have more courage than me in that regard. :) :  I was going to include you in that short list, but I remembered you had ventured into that arena you are talking about!  :o ::) ;D  I guess that comes from my college "denfensive background".  ;)  Anyway, +k for you! :)
The political board is  brutal, kudos to those who post! I do like reading through some of the topics, but not likely to post regularly over there-yet. I may change my mind as the election nears. Hey former-how's your summer been so far?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 14, 2012, 08:34:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2012, 11:55:46 PM
Thanks Raider68.  You are getting up there yourself.  Perhaps you'll catch up with Pat, Ralph Turner, G Sager and many others! ;D  Maybe that just means we have been around here on these boards a long time! :o ::) ;D ;)

formerd3db,

Thanks for that! Your contribution to "all" the boards make others want to enter the discussions! :)
Title: Olivet
Post by: rome on June 16, 2012, 10:13:55 AM
Wow...OC seems to be in a downward spiral....

Olivet College (D-III - MI): Defensive coordinator Tim Rogers has accepted the head coaching position at Forest Hills Central HS (MI). Rogers, who accepted the position at Olivet in early January, previously served as the head coach at Grand Rapids Catholic Central HS (MI).
Title: Re: Olivet
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 16, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: rome on June 16, 2012, 10:13:55 AM
Wow...OC seems to be in a downward spiral....

Olivet College (D-III - MI): Defensive coordinator Tim Rogers has accepted the head coaching position at Forest Hills Central HS (MI). Rogers, who accepted the position at Olivet in early January, previously served as the head coach at Grand Rapids Catholic Central HS (MI).

That may be good news for the Rangers ... FHC is our kids high school alma mater.  But your are right ... a real concern for Olivet College's football program.  The Comets are among my sentimental favorites ... hoping the Red and Black gets it together.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 17, 2012, 10:36:48 AM
Wow.  Nothing seems to want to go Olivet's way does it...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 17, 2012, 04:08:59 PM
Thanks again Raider - you guys are most kind - thanks.  Yet, again, I also think that you've all contributed to this upward and improved discussion forum we've had here in the past couple of years. 

Newcard- my summer is going fine so far, I hope yours is also.  I have a week of vacaation coming up this Wednesday, so am looking forward to that, although as I'm sure you and our other friends here can attest to the fact that when you return from a vacation, it always seems like you never left and the work is piled on more.  I know it will be like that for me, but...one just has to get away every once in a while.

Wow, indeed i.e. rome's report about Rogers having left Olivet without having coached a game.  I agree with all of you that it is not good for Olivet.  Without intending to "bash" Rogers since I obviously do not know what his personal situation and reasons for this move is, at the same time, it doesn't surprise me in regards to his "track record" before (and much of that has been discussed in the past not only here but by others over on other boards in regards to his DePauw departure several years ago and other coaching stops, etc., etc.).  I thought it was somewhat strange he was hired by Olivet's new coach in the first place.  At the same time, if he still lives in Grand Rapids, that would have been one long commute and perhaps that was one of the reasons he changed his mind.  Still, I find it strange and difficult in one decided to take a job and then shortly thereafter, resigning and going in the other direction.  Not sure of the commitment there.  The h.s. job opportunity must have been too good a deal to turn down, but...each person has to make their own decisions.  Too bad for Olivet, then again, perhaps that is actually good. You need people who really want to be at your place.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 18, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: rome on June 16, 2012, 10:13:55 AM
Wow...OC seems to be in a downward spiral....

Olivet College (D-III - MI): Defensive coordinator Tim Rogers has accepted the head coaching position at Forest Hills Central HS (MI). Rogers, who accepted the position at Olivet in early January, previously served as the head coach at Grand Rapids Catholic Central HS (MI).

Regarding the Olivet situation, the administration has to wonder what can be done about their football program. Not sure how strong the other Olivet programs are doing at the school, but football has its issues, coaching, not winning etc. How strong is the AD? and how can they be ready for fall when the HC leaves this soon before fall? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 18, 2012, 10:17:51 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 18, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: rome on June 16, 2012, 10:13:55 AM
Wow...OC seems to be in a downward spiral....

Olivet College (D-III - MI): Defensive coordinator Tim Rogers has accepted the head coaching position at Forest Hills Central HS (MI). Rogers, who accepted the position at Olivet in early January, previously served as the head coach at Grand Rapids Catholic Central HS (MI).

Regarding the Olivet situation, the administration has to wonder what can be done about their football program. Not sure how strong the other Olivet programs are doing at the school, but football has its issues, coaching, not winning etc. How strong is the AD? and how can they be ready for fall when the HC leaves this soon before fall? :-\

Leadership means everything ... from alumni, Trustees and Administration.  There was a time when my alma mater was on the verge of closing and its athletic program was a laughing stock.  Thanks to alumni commitment, the Trustees willingness to make some hard decisions, and outstanding leadership by its current president and administration (including the AD), we are back with resurgent academic and athletic programs which have included conference competitiveness in every sport, national individual champions in track and wrestling, and last season a conference championship in football along with the Gagliardi Trophy winner.  Financial stability, new buildings on campus, academic integrity, and a faith-based diverse and affirming approach to education for the 21st century all reflect a long range plan which encompasses and articulates the "big picture" for positive contributions locally as well as globally.  There is energized student morale and alumni commitment which only can bode well for the future of the institution.  Every D3 school should be so blessed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SKOT on June 19, 2012, 07:41:25 AM
This was posted in the MIAA men's basketball board, but it probably more relevant here.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/06/kalamazoo_college_kalamazoo_ci.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kzgazette_news+%28Kalamazoo+Gazette+News+-+MLive.com%29

8:30 pm seems awfully early to be turning the lights off for events...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 19, 2012, 11:02:42 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 18, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: rome on June 16, 2012, 10:13:55 AM
Wow...OC seems to be in a downward spiral....

Olivet College (D-III - MI): Defensive coordinator Tim Rogers has accepted the head coaching position at Forest Hills Central HS (MI). Rogers, who accepted the position at Olivet in early January, previously served as the head coach at Grand Rapids Catholic Central HS (MI).

Regarding the Olivet situation, the administration has to wonder what can be done about their football program. Not sure how strong the other Olivet programs are doing at the school, but football has its issues, coaching, not winning etc. How strong is the AD? and how can they be ready for fall when the HC leaves this soon before fall? :-\

Olivet is the smallest school, in the smallest community in the MIAA by a big margin.  The college has upgraded a good chunk of its academic and athletic facilities in recent years.  For Olivet to compete on a regular basis with much larger schools with bigger budgets and better facilities its always going to be an uphill battle, that playing field is never going to be level for them.

Its not from a lack of trying.


Also your last sentence, Rogers was the DC not the head coach.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 19, 2012, 11:08:25 AM
Quote from: SKOT on June 19, 2012, 07:41:25 AM
This was posted in the MIAA men's basketball board, but it probably more relevant here.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/06/kalamazoo_college_kalamazoo_ci.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kzgazette_news+%28Kalamazoo+Gazette+News+-+MLive.com%29

8:30 pm seems awfully early to be turning the lights off for events...

I wonder if these same residents are upset with the sun having the audacity to set past 9:00 this time of year.

Wonderfully petty our society sometimes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on June 19, 2012, 12:32:10 PM
Quote from: sac on June 19, 2012, 11:08:25 AM
Quote from: SKOT on June 19, 2012, 07:41:25 AM
This was posted in the MIAA men's basketball board, but it probably more relevant here.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/06/kalamazoo_college_kalamazoo_ci.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kzgazette_news+%28Kalamazoo+Gazette+News+-+MLive.com%29

8:30 pm seems awfully early to be turning the lights off for events...

I wonder if these same residents are upset with the sun having the audacity to set past 9:00 this time of year.

Wonderfully petty our society sometimes.

Dealing with change is one of the biggest struggles that some people have.  Not a peep from most folks until something is going to change.  Then, everyone comes out of the woodwork.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 19, 2012, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 18, 2012, 10:17:51 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 18, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: rome on June 16, 2012, 10:13:55 AM
Wow...OC seems to be in a downward spiral....

Olivet College (D-III - MI): Defensive coordinator Tim Rogers has accepted the head coaching position at Forest Hills Central HS (MI). Rogers, who accepted the position at Olivet in early January, previously served as the head coach at Grand Rapids Catholic Central HS (MI).

Regarding the Olivet situation, the administration has to wonder what can be done about their football program. Not sure how strong the other Olivet programs are doing at the school, but football has its issues, coaching, not winning etc. How strong is the AD? and how can they be ready for fall when the HC leaves this soon before fall? :-\

Leadership means everything ... from alumni, Trustees and Administration.  There was a time when my alma mater was on the verge of closing and its athletic program was a laughing stock.  Thanks to alumni commitment, the Trustees willingness to make some hard decisions, and outstanding leadership by its current president and administration (including the AD), we are back with resurgent academic and athletic programs which have included conference competitiveness in every sport, national individual champions in track and wrestling, and last season a conference championship in football along with the Gagliardi Trophy winner.  Financial stability, new buildings on campus, academic integrity, and a faith-based diverse and affirming approach to education for the 21st century all reflect a long range plan which encompasses and articulates the "big picture" for positive contributions locally as well as globally.  There is energized student morale and alumni commitment which only can bode well for the future of the institution.  Every D3 school should be so blessed.

DBQ1965,

Well said! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on June 24, 2012, 08:04:53 AM
Some updated photos of the new turf installation at Hope/Holland.  To quote the Hope SID "The base surface on which the artifical turf will rest has been installed at Holland Municipal Stadium. The placement of the turf is expected to begin in the coming days."
 

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120621FBStadium21.jpg&hash=6355d1cb8e5bf2160faddad72b798334b89f6811)


Link to more photos:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumtwo.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 24, 2012, 10:28:12 AM
FDF,

Great photos on Hope's new turf project. It will be great for the school, team and fans!
Thanks +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on June 24, 2012, 12:36:59 PM
Hello MIAA Fans, Long time no see.
I'm visiting because I heard this last week about Rogers leaving the Olivet program. This did not surprise me. Does anyone have information about this beyond what has already been written on your board? Perhaps Raider knows somthing? The MIAA is an interesting league in D3 Football. Albion, Adrian, Hope and even Alma (with the changes they are making) seem to be on the rise.
Although the scouting of the MIAA is done by our man in Chicago, I did hook up with him twice last year to go down and watch Trine play. I was trying to keep up with Dylan Rauch who was one of the top recruited players in the WIAC a year ago but ended up at Trine.
We saw how the offense had taken a big slide due to the loss of that 2011 grad class. We were less than impressed with the play calling and the general morale of the players. It was clear to us that the success that Trine had had in the previous years was due to the players they had and not the coaching. We figured that the HC would be making some big changes.
After the season I was told that sure enough the OC had either quit or been fired and others on the off. coaching staff was gone as well. After that I heard the OC had taken the HC position at Olivet. To make the story even thicker, One day I was at the UW Badgers Training facility and a couple QB's were throwing. I saw that one was Russel Wilson and could not tell who the other was. After asking I found out that it was Rauch. Turns out that he had quit with Trine after their final game and had transferred to UW Oshkosh. He was requested to come down and prepare some receivers for the NFL combine. I was able to ask him about Trine and he told me that he wishes everyone at Trine the best. All he would tell me was that he lost his will to play at Trine after the third day of summer camp. He said that he did not wish to play for the OC they had there. He would not be specific.
Now I read that Rogers has quit with out ever coaching a game and have also heard that some players at Olivet have decided not to come back out.
If anyone has additional info on this story please post it up.
Also I would like to wish all of you in the MIAA a great season. Like I said before, the teams in the MIAA are getting stronger by the day and enjoy a great fan base. Good Luck to all your Teams!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 24, 2012, 03:12:32 PM
No doubt this is the first time a series of photos involving Hope athletics has included photos from the world famous Holland dry docks.




I don't know man, things seem to be a real mess at Olivet in a lot of areas.  Sorting through rumors and fact is hard enough, but the picture being painted is one of chaos.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on June 25, 2012, 11:45:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 14, 2012, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 13, 2012, 11:55:46 PM
Thanks Raider68.  You are getting up there yourself.  Perhaps you'll catch up with Pat, Ralph Turner, G Sager and many others! ;D  Maybe that just means we have been around here on these boards a long time! :o ::) ;D ;)

And then there are those of us who made the mistake of getting on the Politics board (as virtually the lone liberal) and losing 3-400 points! ::)

Using my best Marlon Brando voice (as Terry in On The Waterfront): I coulda been a contender. 8-)
Even though I am not very Liberal, Let me givr you one of those points back (+1). Just for general purposes. Mr. Ypsi you at a lot to this board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 02, 2012, 08:40:33 AM
The turf started going down on Saturday.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120630FBStadium9.jpg&hash=1b700445f691b4c3adc929fbe4cd2f6b424f1fd2)

Full set of photo's here:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumthree.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 02, 2012, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 02, 2012, 08:40:33 AM
The turf started going down on Saturday.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120630FBStadium9.jpg&hash=1b700445f691b4c3adc929fbe4cd2f6b424f1fd2)

Full set of photo's here:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumthree.html
Looking good-thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 02, 2012, 11:20:34 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 02, 2012, 08:40:33 AM
The turf started going down on Saturday.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120630FBStadium9.jpg&hash=1b700445f691b4c3adc929fbe4cd2f6b424f1fd2)

Full set of photo's here:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumthree.html

Might have to drive down sometime this week and get a first hand look.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 02, 2012, 11:32:09 AM
Josh Brehm was an honorary captain for the MHSFCA all-star game yesterday.  I don't know if any of you caught it on TV, but I was really immpressed how the game looked from a television aspect in a stadium that isn't built to house TV crews for games.  Overall the presentation by Alma (in the actual stadium with the videoboard, etc.) and the FS Detroit crew was top notch
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 02, 2012, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 02, 2012, 11:32:09 AM
Josh Brehm was an honorary captain for the MHSFCA all-star game yesterday.  I don't know if any of you caught it on TV, but I was really immpressed how the game looked from a television aspect in a stadium that isn't built to house TV crews for games.  Overall the presentation by Alma (in the actual stadium with the videoboard, etc.) and the FS Detroit crew was top notch

Indeed, it was nice to see the game played at Alma College to showcase one of our MIAA schools.  However, I was disappointed in the crowd attendance as it seemed to be rather small - from a "general glance", at least it appeared much less than it has been in the past.  That game used to be played in Michigan State University's stadium and also, I believe this is the earliest date it has been held as it used to around the 3rd weekend in July. 

Anyway, it is a nice venue for the seniors, especially those who are not planning on continuing their college football careers, although those who are, take a chance at injury before they will be reporting to camp in early August.  Nonetheless, I agree with you that Alma College did a nice job in hosting it.  At least they had good weather even though it was very hot.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 02, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
FDF,

Photos look great, it is coming together! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 02, 2012, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 02, 2012, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 02, 2012, 11:32:09 AM
Josh Brehm was an honorary captain for the MHSFCA all-star game yesterday.  I don't know if any of you caught it on TV, but I was really immpressed how the game looked from a television aspect in a stadium that isn't built to house TV crews for games.  Overall the presentation by Alma (in the actual stadium with the videoboard, etc.) and the FS Detroit crew was top notch

Indeed, it was nice to see the game played at Alma College to showcase one of our MIAA schools.  However, I was disappointed in the crowd attendance as it seemed to be rather small - from a "general glance", at least it appeared much less than it has been in the past.  That game used to be played in Michigan State University's stadium and also, I believe this is the earliest date it has been held as it used to around the 3rd weekend in July. 

Anyway, it is a nice venue for the seniors, especially those who are not planning on continuing their college football careers, although those who are, take a chance at injury before they will be reporting to camp in early August.  Nonetheless, I agree with you that Alma College did a nice job in hosting it.  At least they had good weather even though it was very hot.

I'm not sure at what point you flipped on the TV, but a lot of people left at halftime or in the 3rd quarter due to how bad the East squad was, combined with the heat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on July 02, 2012, 10:24:32 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 02, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
FDF,

Photos look great, it is coming together! :)

With Hope (and Kalamazoo) putting down the turf this summer, all of the MIAA schools now have a turf field. Anyone know if there are any other Division III conferences, where all of the member schools have a turf field for football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 02, 2012, 10:35:12 PM
Millikin's supposedly getting one this summer, which means that all eight CCIW football fields will be FieldTurf.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 03, 2012, 08:15:27 AM
One new pic from yesterday - but it is actually starting to look like a football field!!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120702FBStadium1.jpg&hash=5cb82e1ad351865b5df423e7aad5c5f0ddbacc31)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 03, 2012, 11:25:43 AM
This was from earlier this year but the wave of MIAA athletic facility improvements continues.  Albion has moved to phase II.

http://www.albion.edu/sports/athletic-department-mainmenu-578/athletic-facilities/facility-upgrades
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 05, 2012, 12:41:41 PM
I know you're all probably sick of these updates, but it's so blasted hot out, and there's nothing more interesting to post.  Another new page of pics on the turf update at Hope.  Interesting "sewing equipment" they are using.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumfour.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 05, 2012, 04:24:30 PM
The Detroit Lions posted a little piece about Chris Greenwood on their website this afternoon.

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/article-1/Greenwoods-physical-attributes-are-what-distinguished-him-from-others-in-the-draft/b657b62b-197a-4152-b3e1-9d21a78bdc9e
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 05, 2012, 11:20:58 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 05, 2012, 12:41:41 PM
I know you're all probably sick of these updates, but it's so blasted hot out, and there's nothing more interesting to post.  Another new page of pics on the turf update at Hope.  Interesting "sewing equipment" they are using.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumfour.html

Looks good!  I have always liked the bowl type setting they have, and I am glad the turf is GREEN, and not any of those crazy colors some schools have gone to.  Still prefer real grass over turf, but the times they are a changing, and I do understand the advantages of the fake stuff.     :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 06, 2012, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 05, 2012, 11:20:58 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 05, 2012, 12:41:41 PM
I know you're all probably sick of these updates, but it's so blasted hot out, and there's nothing more interesting to post.  Another new page of pics on the turf update at Hope.  Interesting "sewing equipment" they are using.

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumfour.html

Looks good!  I have always liked the bowl type setting they have, and I am glad the turf is GREEN, and not any of those crazy colors some schools have gone to.  Still prefer real grass over turf, but the times they are a changing, and I do understand the advantages of the fake stuff.     :)

I agree - I get the reasons for the fake stuff and it has it's advantages, but I prefer a natural surface.  I can only imagine how hot those turf fields are the last couple of days.  I've been standing on Hope's soccer field when it was 85 or so, and that field was HOT!!!  Headed over 100 here today - sure hope there's no soccer camps going on
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 06, 2012, 09:35:53 AM
Uncle Rico and FDF:

First, good to see you post here again Uncle Rico as it has been quite some time since you last posted.  Welcome back and I hope you'll frequent the board on occasion this fall.

I totally understand where both of you are coming from re: natural turf.  A well groomed football field of natural turf is really nice such as at the beginning of the season.  However, that never lasts and obviously not every field is even like that even.  As we have discussed, the condition of the field can lead to higher injury potential.

Personally, I prefer the new synethic turfs over natural grass.  Aside from all the financial and various use/maintenance advantages they have as has been discussed here in the past, the new style turfs have the same feel and soft resistance of a well-groomed natural turf, the newer ones don't have the increased "rug burn" potential like the older synthetic turfs i.e. are essentially the same now as natural fields in that regard and the "rubber particle" factor that was a nuicance when the new style turfs first came out has been minimized and not that much of a problem anymore, at least from the fields I've seen and also discussed this with.  Besides, the new turfs always look nice and green! Except for those schools who have the crazy colors as you mentioned (Boise State, Eastern Washington) :D ;)

They do get hot, however, as I will admit.  Yet, in reality, that doesn't essentially matter totally when the temps get as high and humid as they have been of recent (and that happens at the beginning of the season often, even in Sept as you know) because I submit that everyone still has to use the usual modalities and precautions for cooling off and preventing dehydration, heat exhaustion (and hopefully forbidingly heat stroke) regardless of whether we are on natural turf or the new style turf. 

Anyway, that's just my personal opinion/preference for field types, however, again, I understand where you guys are coming from.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 06, 2012, 10:03:19 AM
FormerD3DB....

Everything you said is true, and you forgot that turf doesn't leave those green grass stains that my mom would yell at me about when she did the laundry.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 06, 2012, 10:13:27 AM
I'll miss those grass stains - they were like a badge of honor.  The turf also makes it harder to tell when a "new guy" hits the field. 

I always enjoyed the sloppy field, and seeing someone in a clean uniform entering the game and how the other team always seemed to be able to "introduce" that player to the mud quickly.  Understand the toll those games would take on the field, and that the playing surface could end up contributing to the final outcome, and I prefer turf ultimately - just going to miss the mess :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 06, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
The field now definitely belongs to Hope!!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120706dFBStadium38.jpg&hash=5ed7a9cf9cd6fb507f656c6acb80aea596c22134)   (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120706dFBStadium40.jpg&hash=d161782a467c4ca45fdb65eb7cadefd6c3d3314f)

Full set of new pics:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumfive.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 06, 2012, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 06, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
The field now definitely belongs to Hope!!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120706dFBStadium38.jpg&hash=5ed7a9cf9cd6fb507f656c6acb80aea596c22134)   (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120706dFBStadium40.jpg&hash=d161782a467c4ca45fdb65eb7cadefd6c3d3314f)

Full set of new pics:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumfive.html
It looks great!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on July 06, 2012, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: sac on July 05, 2012, 04:24:30 PM
The Detroit Lions posted a little piece about Chris Greenwood on their website this afternoon.

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/article-1/Greenwoods-physical-attributes-are-what-distinguished-him-from-others-in-the-draft/b657b62b-197a-4152-b3e1-9d21a78bdc9e

Word is that during OTA's Greenwood tore ab/oblique muscle.  Was listed as out about 4wks so should be back for camp at the end of July.  Hopefully it doesn't set him back much in his pursuit of making the roster.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 06, 2012, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 06, 2012, 09:35:53 AM
Uncle Rico and FDF:

First, good to see you post here again Uncle Rico as it has been quite some time since you last posted.  Welcome back and I hope you'll frequent the board on occasion this fall.

I totally understand where both of you are coming from re: natural turf.  A well groomed football field of natural turf is really nice such as at the beginning of the season.  However, that never lasts and obviously not every field is even like that even.  As we have discussed, the condition of the field can lead to higher injury potential.

Personally, I prefer the new synethic turfs over natural grass.  Aside from all the financial and various use/maintenance advantages they have as has been discussed here in the past, the new style turfs have the same feel and soft resistance of a well-groomed natural turf, the newer ones don't have the increased "rug burn" potential like the older synthetic turfs i.e. are essentially the same now as natural fields in that regard and the "rubber particle" factor that was a nuicance when the new style turfs first came out has been minimized and not that much of a problem anymore, at least from the fields I've seen and also discussed this with.  Besides, the new turfs always look nice and green! Except for those schools who have the crazy colors as you mentioned (Boise State, Eastern Washington) :D ;)

They do get hot, however, as I will admit.  Yet, in reality, that doesn't essentially matter totally when the temps get as high and humid as they have been of recent (and that happens at the beginning of the season often, even in Sept as you know) because I submit that everyone still has to use the usual modalities and precautions for cooling off and preventing dehydration, heat exhaustion (and hopefully forbidingly heat stroke) regardless of whether we are on natural turf or the new style turf. 

Anyway, that's just my personal opinion/preference for field types, however, again, I understand where you guys are coming from.


former, great points! My son played on grass through high school and still likes it, but he said the new turf at NCC is good. It can get very hot on the turf, especially in this weather. On Monday he worked out on the turf before lifting and the temp was 114.  That's crazy!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 06, 2012, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 06, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
The field now definitely belongs to Hope!!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120706dFBStadium38.jpg&hash=5ed7a9cf9cd6fb507f656c6acb80aea596c22134)   (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120706dFBStadium40.jpg&hash=d161782a467c4ca45fdb65eb7cadefd6c3d3314f)

Well, that's a relief. We wouldn't want them to paint something on the field that would lead people to erroneously think that it belongs to Franklin & Marshall, or Colorado School of Mines, or Cleveland Chiropractic College. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 07, 2012, 08:09:48 PM
What is the white patch to the left of the h in the end zone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 07, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
Quote from: sflzman on July 07, 2012, 08:09:48 PM
What is the white patch to the left of the h in the end zone?

I'm guessing work related materials ... not part of the field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 08, 2012, 11:52:04 AM
Was in Holland yesterday and couldn't help myself and swung by the football stadium to check things out.  Looks great, and maybe for the first time it will look and feel like a home facility. 

Also went over and checked out the tennis facility behind the stadium which is just really impressive to me.  Once the college finishes the cosmetic work around the stadium I'm sure they'll do, Hope's total athletic facilities are really going to look nice.

They've come a long way in just the 20 years since I was there, actually the whole college has but that's a different topic altogether.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 08, 2012, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: sac on July 08, 2012, 11:52:04 AM
Was in Holland yesterday and couldn't help myself and swung by the football stadium to check things out.  Looks great, and maybe for the first time it will look and feel like a home facility. 

Also went over and checked out the tennis facility behind the stadium which is just really impressive to me.  Once the college finishes the cosmetic work around the stadium I'm sure they'll do, Hope's total athletic facilities are really going to look nice.

They've come a long way in just the 20 years since I was there, actually the whole college has but that's a different topic altogether.

sac,

The new Hope field looks great from all the photos! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 12, 2012, 08:47:18 AM
Looks like they are nearing completion of the turf installation.  I'm guessing the white "pellets" help to reduce the temperature of the field - versus the standard black ones.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120711dFBStadium52.jpg&hash=f6485eb0374dfda35a1cf72da1fe226cd60064f6)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 12, 2012, 10:11:01 AM
mmmm.........salty goodness
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfreewallpapers.net%2Fcartoons%2Fwallpapers%2Fhomer-simpson-02.jpg&hash=6a580a75199cd278433284ac84ce834e81dee180)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 12, 2012, 05:18:42 PM
Hope's roster has this years incoming Fr. listed.  I count 74

http://www.hope.edu/athletics/fb/fbrost.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 13, 2012, 09:28:53 AM
Word on the street is that Alma recruited the south pretty hard and have 5 kids from Florida and 1 from Louisiana coming in. Also a kid from Ohio, so that makes 7 out of state freshmen after having just one out of state player last season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 14, 2012, 09:41:25 AM
Since we're sleeping over here on this board, I thought I'd steal these from the MIAC board:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fblogs%2Fsptusncaafexperts%2FLUB_field.jpg&hash=74a6e2c716d4bb8827747bd140ec02e0cc05d85f)
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/naia-school-unveils-nation-most-original-hideous-football-162913677--ncaaf.html

And also the pre-season all-americans are out

http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2012-preseason

No MIAA faces
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gohope on July 17, 2012, 03:57:30 PM
Even the Hornets are Buzzin' with a *NEW* look:

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/07/kalamazoo_college_renovated_at.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 17, 2012, 04:57:43 PM
Kazoo's new field looks great!  We are definitely spoiled in the MIAA.

Hope is reportedly finished with their field renovations. 

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffootballstadium%2F120717dFBStadium58.jpg&hash=580a4e8032e89ffb5876df832851d416a0e1092b)

Final pictures available here:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/campusdev/fbstadiumsix.html

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 17, 2012, 08:34:38 PM
FDF,

Great job on all the Hope photos! +k. Has anyone posted the Kalamazoo pics, maybe I just missed them. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 17, 2012, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: gohope on July 17, 2012, 03:57:30 PM
Even the Hornets are Buzzin' with a *NEW* look:

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/07/kalamazoo_college_renovated_at.html
Here is the link
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on July 20, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
Pretty cool summer job for Albion SS Devin Burnett. How sweet would that be?
http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo (http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo)

For more pics of the K Fields renovation, you can always go to their Facebook page. Here's a link to the latest: http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk (http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk)  Looking beautiful and can't wait to get back to campus this fall to experience homecoming.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 20, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Stinger on July 20, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
Pretty cool summer job for Albion SS Devin Burnett. How sweet would that be?
http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo (http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo)

For more pics of the K Fields renovation, you can always go to their Facebook page. Here's a link to the latest: http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk (http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk)  Looking beautiful and can't wait to get back to campus this fall to experience homecoming.
Very cool!  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 20, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 20, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Stinger on July 20, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
Pretty cool summer job for Albion SS Devin Burnett. How sweet would that be?
http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo (http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo)

For more pics of the K Fields renovation, you can always go to their Facebook page. Here's a link to the latest: http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk (http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk)  Looking beautiful and can't wait to get back to campus this fall to experience homecoming.
Very cool!  8-)
Quote from: Stinger on July 20, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
Pretty cool summer job for Albion SS Devin Burnett. How sweet would that be?
http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo (http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo)

For more pics of the K Fields renovation, you can always go to their Facebook page. Here's a link to the latest: http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk (http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk)  Looking beautiful and can't wait to get back to campus this fall to experience homecoming.

Yes, very neat experience.  However, I hope he has been keeping in shape and able to workout (and I assume he has) as he has only just about 3 weeks to get ready for such as pre-season camps will open then.  Forget baseball then and all focus will be on football ::) :D ;D ;) :)

BTW, yes, the new facilities at Kazoo look fantastic, just as Hope's do as well.  Thanks to all of you guys (FDF, Stinger, sac, newcard, Raider68 for posting those).  Now...I only hope that Kazoo is able to get fans to fill the new seats, more than they did last year or historically have.  While playing in DI Western Michigan's Waldo Stadium last year was a neat and once-in-a-lifetime experience I'm sure, still it looked kind of ridiculous in having only 800 fans in a 30,000 seat stadium.  Echoes anyone?? ::) ;D :)  In all seriousness, though, I do hope Kazoo has a great i.e. like capacity crowd for the home opener there and at the dedication game ceremonies whenever that is.

We are now really counting the days until college football camp opens, athough still a few days left for some of us to enjoy what remains of the summer in that regard. :) Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 20, 2012, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 20, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 20, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Stinger on July 20, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
Pretty cool summer job for Albion SS Devin Burnett. How sweet would that be?
http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo (http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo)

For more pics of the K Fields renovation, you can always go to their Facebook page. Here's a link to the latest: http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk (http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk)  Looking beautiful and can't wait to get back to campus this fall to experience homecoming.
Very cool!  8-)
Quote from: Stinger on July 20, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
Pretty cool summer job for Albion SS Devin Burnett. How sweet would that be?
http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo (http://tinyurl.com/ctdzhgo)

For more pics of the K Fields renovation, you can always go to their Facebook page. Here's a link to the latest: http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk (http://tinyurl.com/bmeyefk)  Looking beautiful and can't wait to get back to campus this fall to experience homecoming.

Yes, very neat experience.  However, I hope he has been keeping in shape and able to workout (and I assume he has) as he has only just about 3 weeks to get ready for such as pre-season camps will open then.  Forget baseball then and all focus will be on football ::) :D ;D ;) :)

BTW, yes, the new facilities at Kazoo look fantastic, just as Hope's do as well.  Thanks to all of you guys (FDF, Stinger, sac, newcard, Raider68 for posting those).  Now...I only hope that Kazoo is able to get fans to fill the new seats, more than they did last year or historically have.  While playing in DI Western Michigan's Waldo Stadium last year was a neat and once-in-a-lifetime experience I'm sure, still it looked kind of ridiculous in having only 800 fans in a 30,000 seat stadium.  Echoes anyone?? ::) ;D :)  In all seriousness, though, I do hope Kazoo has a great i.e. like capacity crowd for the home opener there and at the dedication game ceremonies whenever that is.

We are now really counting the days until college football camp opens, athough still a few days left for some of us to enjoy what remains of the summer in that regard. :) Anyway, I hope all of you are doing well.
ALWAYS enjoy my summers-even if I am just working around the house:(. Three weeks till camp, five till the first game! Hope the weather stays nice-today is picture perfect here. Looking forward to another exciting season as well. To those of you  who got new fields-they are really nice. Good Luck to all in the MIAA this season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 24, 2012, 03:07:29 PM
Not sure if this was already posted - but the Hope website has a pre-season outlook for the Dutchmen:

http://hope.edu/athletics/fb/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on July 25, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
I think Hope does an excellent job. There website is easy to navigate, they update the roster and they have a preseason outlook. Look at the other schools and you find nothing. With there new field and a staff that really has it together they are going to be a good solid team. This will be a good season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Bricklin1132 - welcome to the board!!  I agree it's a bit frustrating to not have something coming from the other schools - maybe it's just our eagerness to get to the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 26, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Bricklin1132 - welcome to the board!!  I agree it's a bit frustrating to not have something coming from the other schools - maybe it's just our eagerness to get to the season.
I haven't seen many schools do what you and Wheaton do. I guess the rest of us will have to wait until the D3 kick-off comes out.:( Looking forward to seeing your new field in person this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 26, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
Is anyone going to put together some pre-game "gathering" of D3 folk from here who turn up at Hope's home opener against North Park?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on July 26, 2012, 06:55:52 PM
I was at a North Park football recruitment day in December and met the coach and many of the players. They are a running team and only pass a couple times a game. i was not impressed with the coaching staff, program and or the school itself.They do recruit very well and were desperate for running backs. Not sure what they recruited but in December they didn't have anybody significant. They normally rotate 5 in during each game to grind down the defense but they were very light in that department. Mike Holmgren of GB Packer coaching fame is a big donor at the school and they named the football stadium after him. I spent about a half an hour watching there game film and was not impressed. Very sloppy, mistakes and a lack of discipline. It will be interesting to see how Hope handles this first game. The North Park defense certainly looked better than the offense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 27, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 26, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Bricklin1132 - welcome to the board!!  I agree it's a bit frustrating to not have something coming from the other schools - maybe it's just our eagerness to get to the season.
I haven't seen many schools do what you and Wheaton do. I guess the rest of us will have to wait until the D3 kick-off comes out.:( Looking forward to seeing your new field in person this season.

I know in the past that Alma has put one out when players report
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 27, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 27, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 26, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Bricklin1132 - welcome to the board!!  I agree it's a bit frustrating to not have something coming from the other schools - maybe it's just our eagerness to get to the season.
I haven't seen many schools do what you and Wheaton do. I guess the rest of us will have to wait until the D3 kick-off comes out.:( Looking forward to seeing your new field in person this season.

I know in the past that Alma has put one out when players report

Cool - looking forward to seeing that
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on July 29, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 27, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 26, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Bricklin1132 - welcome to the board!!  I agree it's a bit frustrating to not have something coming from the other schools - maybe it's just our eagerness to get to the season.
I haven't seen many schools do what you and Wheaton do. I guess the rest of us will have to wait until the D3 kick-off comes out.:( Looking forward to seeing your new field in person this season.

I know in the past that Alma has put one out when players report

Trine does the same thing - their outlook is posted after the players report, which I believe is just over two weeks a way. I for one am ready for some football!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 29, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on July 29, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 27, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 26, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Bricklin1132 - welcome to the board!!  I agree it's a bit frustrating to not have something coming from the other schools - maybe it's just our eagerness to get to the season.
I haven't seen many schools do what you and Wheaton do. I guess the rest of us will have to wait until the D3 kick-off comes out.:( Looking forward to seeing your new field in person this season.

I know in the past that Alma has put one out when players report

Trine does the same thing - their outlook is posted after the players report, which I believe is just over two weeks a way. I for one am ready for some football!
Yoou and me both!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 30, 2012, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 29, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: adidas28 on July 29, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 27, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 26, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 26, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Bricklin1132 - welcome to the board!!  I agree it's a bit frustrating to not have something coming from the other schools - maybe it's just our eagerness to get to the season.
I haven't seen many schools do what you and Wheaton do. I guess the rest of us will have to wait until the D3 kick-off comes out.:( Looking forward to seeing your new field in person this season.

I know in the past that Alma has put one out when players report

Trine does the same thing - their outlook is posted after the players report, which I believe is just over two weeks a way. I for one am ready for some football!
Yoou and me both!

Make that 3! Nothing's more fun than those Saturday afternoons at Bahlke Field! Go Scots!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on July 30, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
Albion just released a nice 2012 season outlook:
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4876-briton-football-program-sets-lofty-goals-for-2012
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 30, 2012, 09:16:34 PM
Newcardfan,

What do you think about your Cardinals being ranked #6 in the D3Football Pre-Season Poll! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 30, 2012, 10:02:04 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on July 30, 2012, 09:16:34 PM
Newcardfan,

What do you think about your Cardinals being ranked #6 in the D3Football Pre-Season Poll! :)
I think that is pretty nice. I remember, however, last year when they started out #4,Iost the opener and dropped to #15. I think they should be very focused this year so I am hoping for a very exciting season!:):)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on July 31, 2012, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: Bricklin1132 on July 30, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
Albion just released a nice 2012 season outlook:
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4876-briton-football-program-sets-lofty-goals-for-2012

And preliminary 2012 Roster: http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/roster
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 31, 2012, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on July 31, 2012, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: Bricklin1132 on July 30, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
Albion just released a nice 2012 season outlook:
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4876-briton-football-program-sets-lofty-goals-for-2012

And preliminary 2012 Roster: http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/roster

Interesting to see incoming Freshman at Albion with these hometowns:  Alma, Kalamazoo, Olivet, Angola IN
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 31, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
Can anyone i Holland fill in the details of the kid with hot dog stand? Just heard the tail end of his interview on a Chicago radio station.:)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 31, 2012, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 31, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
Can anyone i Holland fill in the details of the kid with hot dog stand? Just heard the tail end of his interview on a Chicago radio station.:)

Here are a couple of links to stories from the local paper.

Original story (7/17):
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/x736425942/13-year-old-entrepreneur-told-no-hot-dog-sales

Latest update (7/30):
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/x1225363510/Hot-dog-cart-petition-headed-to-Holland-City-Hall
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on July 31, 2012, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 31, 2012, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 31, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
Can anyone i Holland fill in the details of the kid with hot dog stand? Just heard the tail end of his interview on a Chicago radio station.:)

Here are a couple of links to stories from the local paper.

Original story (7/17):
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/x736425942/13-year-old-entrepreneur-told-no-hot-dog-sales

Latest update (7/30):
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/x1225363510/Hot-dog-cart-petition-headed-to-Holland-City-Hall
Thanks FDF. Looks like he'll make some money after all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 31, 2012, 04:44:03 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 31, 2012, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 31, 2012, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on July 31, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
Can anyone i Holland fill in the details of the kid with hot dog stand? Just heard the tail end of his interview on a Chicago radio station.:)

Here are a couple of links to stories from the local paper.

Original story (7/17):
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/x736425942/13-year-old-entrepreneur-told-no-hot-dog-sales

Latest update (7/30):
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/x1225363510/Hot-dog-cart-petition-headed-to-Holland-City-Hall
Thanks FDF. Looks like he'll make some money after all.

With all the "publicity" he's getting I'll bet he makes way more than if he had just been allowed to setup where he originally intended. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on July 31, 2012, 04:55:27 PM
HEY ALL!!!  I'm back and ready for some football!  I can't wait for the team to report and to see what kind of athletes come in.  For once it seems like it has been a quiet off-season which makes me happy.  I can't stand all the talk about big name transfers that usually never pan out.  I want 11 guys on the field working their butts off to be the best not just being told they are the best!

I see Albion and Adrian getting some love for top 25 votes!  Congratulations, it should be another competitive season. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on July 31, 2012, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 31, 2012, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on July 31, 2012, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: Bricklin1132 on July 30, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
Albion just released a nice 2012 season outlook:
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4876-briton-football-program-sets-lofty-goals-for-2012

And preliminary 2012 Roster: http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/roster

Interesting to see incoming Freshman at Albion with these hometowns:  Alma, Kalamazoo, Olivet, Angola IN

Miniard is not really from Alma.  He has been at Ithaca his whole life
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on August 01, 2012, 01:55:21 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 31, 2012, 07:07:32 PM

Miniard is not really from Alma.  He has been at Ithaca his whole life

Isn't Alma considered a north side ' burb of Ithaca?  ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on August 01, 2012, 04:10:14 AM
Video interview of Albion Head Coach Craig Rundle on the upcoming Briton Season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLzfkPfzN_0&feature=g-all-u
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 01, 2012, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on August 01, 2012, 01:55:21 AM
Quote from: sflzman on July 31, 2012, 07:07:32 PM

Miniard is not really from Alma.  He has been at Ithaca his whole life

Isn't Alma considered a north side ' burb of Ithaca?  ;D ;D ;D ;)

Haha come on now, that's kind of offensive now  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 01, 2012, 02:15:48 PM
Speaking of Alma.......I found myself in Bay City the other day (stay with me), along historic Center Ave. (M-25) is the magnificent First Presbyterian Church.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.michmarkers.com%2Fimages%2FL2084.jpg&hash=143fc1a1cdf81cb0264f26b3995d4f5fbcb2dec3)

On its historic marker it mentions a church elder named Alexander Folsom who donated $50,000 (a pretty substantial sum in 1886)  for the founding of a college in "northern" Michigan.  That college was to become Alma College.

I thought it was a pretty interesting and unexpected find.  If you ever find yourself up that way check out some of the historic structures like city hall, and any of the numerous late 19th, early 20th century mansions along Center Ave., built from lumber and sugar beet money.

Also Bay City has a sweet smell, something like burned radiator fluid.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 01, 2012, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: sac on August 01, 2012, 02:15:48 PM
Speaking of Alma.......I found myself in Bay City the other day (stay with me), along historic Center Ave. (M-25) is the magnificent First Presbyterian Church.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.michmarkers.com%2Fimages%2FL2084.jpg&hash=143fc1a1cdf81cb0264f26b3995d4f5fbcb2dec3)

On its historic marker it mentions a church elder named Alexander Folsom who donated $50,000 (a pretty substantial sum in 1886)  for the founding of a college in "northern" Michigan.  That college was to become Alma College.

I thought it was a pretty interesting and unexpected find.  If you ever find yourself up that way check out some of the historic structures like city hall, and any of the numerous late 19th, early 20th century mansions along Center Ave., built from lumber and sugar beet money.

Also Bay City has a sweet smell, something like burned radiator fluid.

sac:

That is not surprising.  Ammi Wright, one of the founders/benefactors of Alma College and the town, was originally from Saginaw and one of the wealthy lumbar barons in Michigan.  Without diggin into my files to recheck/confirm this, I believe that Folsom was one of Wright's buddies, at least one of his colleagues and/or acquaintances being they were from the same region and thus, it is not surprising that he would get the former to pledge the $ as well as that Folsom was of the Presbyterian domination, which Alma College has been associated with from its beginnings.  Since both men were of the "upper society" back then, that is also not surprising.

Ammi Wright's house huge stone Victorian house still stands in Alma on State Street today. It was going to ruin until someone bought it within the last year I believe.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 01, 2012, 06:01:30 PM
I only meant surprising in that I didn't expect to run into a little MIAA history on my Monday afternoon escapade. 

J. Ambrose Wright was the pastor at the Presbyterian Church in Bay City, his name was also on the historical marker.  Perhaps a relative of Alma's Wright.

http://www.michmarkers.com/    .....you have to fiddle with this link, under 'counties' click 'Bay' and you can find the First Presbyterian Church sign page.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 01, 2012, 10:21:14 PM
sac:

Oh, I didn't mean that as a negative or flippant statement i.e. the surprising phrase!  I only meant that it was not surprising but interesting since Wright had the Saginaw-Bay City region connections!  Always appreciate your interesting finds and, indeed, I can imagine the delight in you seeing the sign unexpectedly while you are enjoying an excursion.

Anyway, thanks for the link.  I assume you are getting anxious for not only Hope football but our U of Mich start as well (nothing against our Michigan State friends here. ::) :D).

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 01, 2012, 10:43:50 PM
I check my mail everyday with anticipation for my special brown envelope from the University of Michigan Athletic Department.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 02, 2012, 10:15:05 AM
MIAA pre-season poll from  http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x1225366078/Hope-College-football-picked-fourth-in-preseason-MIAA-poll

1. Adrian--10
2. Albion--11
3. Trine --16
4. Hope --17
5. Alma  --30
6. Kalamazoo  --31
7. Olivet --32

The voting was very close with 1 point separating Adrian/Albion.  Hope received 1 first place vote.  Pretty significant separation between 1-4 and 5-7
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 02, 2012, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: sac on August 01, 2012, 10:43:50 PM
I check my mail everyday with anticipation for my special brown envelope from the University of Michigan Athletic Department.

I know what you mean.  BTW, last week I had to make a quick trip to Ann Arbor for an errand and on a last minute decision/whim, I stopped in his insurance office to visit with George Pomey.  Now I'm dating myself here (and perhaps you too ::), however, when I was a little kid, he and Cazzie Russell and "the gang" were my idols.  In fact, he got to know my brother and I and our family since we had gone to the U of Mich summer basketball camps for several years (I was a terrible basketball player and wisely stuck with football through college ::) :o ;D ;)). 

Anyway, I had not seen him for many years and at first, he forgot, but then after I started relating the history/talking, he remembered us from long ago.  Ironically, he had just gotten off the phone with a well known Hope College alum and former college administrator (who I won't name here) so my connection with Hope was a topic of discussion.  We had a great talk about athletics as you can imagine, both U of M, the MIAA and other colleges in the state.  I did get his autograph (which I had lost or misplaced years ago), so now I have all the starting five from that great Michigan team of the Pomey/Russell era (i.e. their senior year).

Also, as you mentioned the U of Mich ticket topic...Coach Pomey also told me that he and his fellow M lettermen's pull with the U of Mich Athletic Dept. continues to fade as he gets older, which is understandable to a degree. ;) Yet, after all these years in his having his same seats for season tickets at their Big "C" arena (which is being renovated and expanded as you know), he and other former players were still required to particpate in the lottery to get season tickets.  He had to pay a hefty price just to participate in it; then had one hour to bid on his old seats, which he found out were already taken.  Luckily, he was able to get the two right next to the two seats he had held for some 3 decades.  Oh well - at least we don't have that problem at Hope, well...then again not for football, but basketball is a different story! ::) :o ;D :D ;) :)   Anyway, it was a great, memorable and enjoyable visit for me with Coach Pomey.

Also, thanks for posting the MIAA football coaches pre-season poll.  As always, this poll is somewhat meaningless for the top four teams picked because any one of them usually have a great chance at winning it and as we've seen, it almost always comes down to the last couple weeks of the season.  Camps open at the end of next week, so that is exciting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 02, 2012, 04:48:03 PM
 Looks like it will be an exciting year in the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on August 02, 2012, 10:38:11 PM
Looks like Trine posted a season outlook:

http://www.trine.edu/athletics/mens_sports/football/

Not very good and not much to say.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on August 03, 2012, 04:09:57 AM
I have to say, I'm a little surprised at today's poll. I know that the poll is meaningless to some extent. But it's at least shows what people are thinking.

First Surprise: Adrian as league favorite? I know Adrian won their first 8 games last year and was ranked in the top 25. However, Adrian's non-conference competition wasn't exactly stellar, and I thought that in their game against Albion, Albion clearly showed they were a superior team (I'll have to admit some bias there, of course). Nevertheless, Adrian to me seems to be spinning their wheels; they're a solid squad but not quite good enough to win the league, and that's the team they've been for the last 3 decades, I don't see any sudden influx of talent to make me think otherwise.

Second Surprise: Hope picked 4th? Does anyone remember Hope finished 2nd last year? Went 6-1 in the league with their only loss a close game against Albion? Does anyone remember that was with an offense that had 1 returning starter I believe? I haven't looked it over exactly, and maybe they've lost more than I thought they would, but Hope to me seems to be a dangerous team with legitimate championship aspirations.

RuleBritannia's Preasason Poll:

1. Albion (All MIAA talent at QB, RB, WR, TE, and 2 OL should give the Brits a potent offense. British Empire reigns at least 1 more year)

2. Hope (Dutch go 6-0 in league play then lose final game at Albion (Where they've won only once since the 1980s I believe)

3. Trine (Don't count out the Thunder, this is still a talented team that could give anyone in the league a good game)

4. Adrian (Adrian's long league title drought continues, but the Bulldogs do too much right to count out)

5. Alma (Coach Psconda's first year is a disappointment compared to Scots fans' high standards, but the foundations will be being laid for a resurgence in a year or two)

6. Kalamazoo (Hornets must replace prolific QB, take significant step back. However, new facilities should help attract better talent to K College)

7. Olivet (If Coach Pifer can get even 1 league victory, it will have been a successful first season with the Comets)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 03, 2012, 12:36:43 PM
I actually would have voted for Adrian myself.  But you can't rule out trine they have 19 starters coming back....also word is the Olivet has 122 incoming freshmen!!!! Are you kidding me? That's insane!

My picks would have been:
1. Adrian - Must win: October 13, 4:00 home game against Trine.  Have to beat top contenders at home to win a league title.
2. Trine - Must win: October 6, 1:00 home game against Albion.  Should beat kzoo, must be 2-0 going into a game at Adrian.
3. Albion - Must win: October 13-27. Have games home against Kalamazoo, and at Alma and Olivet.  Must win those three to be at least 3-1 going into the final two weeks where they host Adrian and Hope.
4. Hope - Must win September 29 or November 10.  If Hope can take care of business at home and also win at Kalamazoo that still leaves road tests at Adrian to open the season, and Albion to close the season.  Hope must win one of those to contend for a title.
5. Alma - September 29 2:00 game at Olivet. Alma will likely be 1-3 or 0-4 after struggling through a brutal non-conference slate, whereas Olivet could very likely be 3-1.  This will set the tone for Alma's season.  Olivet will be rolling, and fired up because it's there homecoming.  Alma needs to win to start the MIAA schedule.
6. Kalamazoo - September 29 vs. Trine.  If Kalamazoo wants any chance at a successful conference season they need to start off with a home win against Trine.  Their first four weeks they get the four toughest teams.  The hornets must avoid an 0-4 start.
7. Olivet - September 29 2:00 vs. Alma.  After going 1-29 their first 30 games at Olivet, the seniors will be looking to get their first homecoming win after starting off well in non-con play.  Alma will be limping into conference play.  The Comets must take advantage of this.

Toughest non-conference schedule goes to Alma.

Easiest non-conference schedule goes to Olivet.

MVP:  Gonna go out on a limb and say Damon Brown from Adrian.  The safe bet though is Clinton Orr.

Suprise pick:  Olivet will not go 0-6 in league play.

Upset alert:  Alma at Olivet September 29.  Would not be surprised if Olivet pulls that off.

2nd Upset alert:  Adrian at Alma October 6.  This game has been close the last few years (just 18 points decided the two teams) and it's Alma's homecoming.  If they survive the scare at Olivet, they could easily come out firing.

What to watch for Week 10:  Well potential we could be watching nothing thaaaaat important if Adrian goes 6-0, but say they lose one.  We'll be watching to see if Trine takes care of business at home against Alma.  But then the big one is the Albion/Hope game.  Either one or both teams could come in 4-1 and looking to get one more win to draw even with Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 03, 2012, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 03, 2012, 12:36:43 PM
I actually would have voted for Adrian myself.  But you can't rule out trine they have 19 starters coming back....also word is the Olivet has 122 incoming freshmen!!!! Are you kidding me? That's insane!

My picks would have been:
1. Adrian - Must win: October 13, 4:00 home game against Trine.  Have to beat top contenders at home to win a league title.
2. Trine - Must win: October 6, 1:00 home game against Albion.  Should beat kzoo, must be 2-0 going into a game at Adrian.
3. Albion - Must win: October 13-27. Have games home against Kalamazoo, and at Alma and Olivet.  Must win those three to be at least 3-1 going into the final two weeks where they host Adrian and Hope.
4. Hope - Must win September 29 or November 10.  If Hope can take care of business at home and also win at Kalamazoo that still leaves road tests at Adrian to open the season, and Albion to close the season.  Hope must win one of those to contend for a title.
5. Alma - September 29 2:00 game at Olivet. Alma will likely be 1-3 or 0-4 after struggling through a brutal non-conference slate, whereas Olivet could very likely be 3-1.  This will set the tone for Alma's season.  Olivet will be rolling, and fired up because it's there homecoming.  Alma needs to win to start the MIAA schedule.
6. Kalamazoo - September 29 vs. Trine.  If Kalamazoo wants any chance at a successful conference season they need to start off with a home win against Trine.  Their first four weeks they get the four toughest teams.  The hornets must avoid an 0-4 start.
7. Olivet - September 29 2:00 vs. Alma.  After going 1-29 their first 30 games at Olivet, the seniors will be looking to get their first homecoming win after starting off well in non-con play.  Alma will be limping into conference play.  The Comets must take advantage of this.

Toughest non-conference schedule goes to Alma.

Easiest non-conference schedule goes to Olivet.

MVP:  Gonna go out on a limb and say Damon Brown from Adrian.  The safe bet though is Clinton Orr.

Suprise pick:  Olivet will not go 0-6 in league play.

Upset alert:  Alma at Olivet September 29.  Would not be surprised if Olivet pulls that off.

2nd Upset alert:  Adrian at Alma October 6.  This game has been close the last few years (just 18 points decided the two teams) and it's Alma's homecoming.  If they survive the scare at Olivet, they could easily come out firing.

What to watch for Week 10:  Well potential we could be watching nothing thaaaaat important if Adrian goes 6-0, but say they lose one.  We'll be watching to see if Trine takes care of business at home against Alma.  But then the big one is the Albion/Hope game.  Either one or both teams could come in 4-1 and looking to get one more win to draw even with Adrian.

This is a very good preseason outlook. Olivet's 122 freshmen is just a little bit over the top. The key will be how many stay for the four years. CCIW coaches chat and poll coming up Monday and Tuesday. Season openers in just three weeks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wildcat11 on August 03, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 03, 2012, 12:36:43 PM
....also word is the Olivet has 122 incoming freshmen!!!! Are you kidding me? That's insane!

Yeah, that won't slow down fall camp at all....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on August 04, 2012, 12:14:04 AM
Olivet normally does not have a Freshman class size that exceeds 320 kids. If there are 160 boys it is hard to believe that 122 are football players. If so there are many that are not talented and had no where else to go. But the one thing i will say about Olivet is that they have Dan Musielewicz formally of Trine. He is great on the computer and a great recruiter. So i think they may have an edge in 2 or 3 years. Dan and company probably could not recruit many quality players since many there good connections were already commited to Trine when they left Trine. But if i were them i would recruit as many as possible and sort it out in camp.It seems that is what they did. If you look at Olivet's web site it looks great. I think Dan has alot to do with the new look Olivet has a tough road ahead. It will be interesting on what happens this year? Will they get the one win? I think yes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 04, 2012, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: Bricklin1132 on August 02, 2012, 10:38:11 PM
Looks like Trine posted a season outlook:

http://www.trine.edu/athletics/mens_sports/football/

Not very good and not much to say.

Hey, I'm back again excited for the upcoming MIAA football season.  Bricklin, the season outlook on Trine's website is par for the course.  Not much to say, pretty generic, something you or I could have written.  Only thing different is that this year they posted this BEFORE camp opens instead of just before the season starts.  :)

Haven't heard anything as far as incoming freshman or transfers who may push for playing time at Trine this year.  Any Trine guys on here have an inside scoop to share?  Please post here or mail me.

Read on a prior post that Albion has former Angola HS wideout Robby Boots on their roster.  How the heck did Trine miss out?  Watched him play a few times, was an All-State class 4A player.  Great hands, physical receiver, good route runner.  Only downside is he doesn't have break away speed so will be more of a possession type receiver in college.  Great pick up by Albion.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 05, 2012, 08:06:39 PM
Bricklin1132:

Just as an FYI, OC_SID is the overseer of the Olivet website and I agree with you that it is an excellent website and he does a great job.  Also, it would not be surprising that Olivet could very well have a huge number of recruits.  That is not uncommon with new coaching staffs coming in, yet certainly as you say, with a guy like Musielewicz, that is a plus.  Also, former Hope standout football player/former Olivet College coach Mike Sparks is back for his second stint on the Olivet staff and that is a plus also.

I do not know where the 122 # came from.  Perhaps that is the entire # of all players that are expected to report; perhaps that was how many potential new players i.e. recruits were contacted.  More likely it is the former.  Remember also that all the schools have attrition the very first week so the # that report will drop a fair amount by the end of the second week usually. 

All that said, it will be exciting to see what will transprie in the MIAA this year with all the new changes ranging from coaching staffs and new fields/stadiums, etc. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 05, 2012, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on August 03, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 03, 2012, 12:36:43 PM
....also word is the Olivet has 122 incoming freshmen!!!! Are you kidding me? That's insane!

Yeah, that won't slow down fall camp at all....

I recall a few years ago Adrian had over 70 come in.  They had a total of about 177 for both varsity and the J.V. team combined.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on August 05, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 05, 2012, 08:06:39 PM
Bricklin1132:

Just as an FYI, OC_SID is the overseer of the Olivet website and I agree with you that it is an excellent website and he does a great job.  Also, it would not be surprising that Olivet could very well have a huge number of recruits.  That is not uncommon with new coaching staffs coming in, yet certainly as you say, with a guy like Musielewicz, that is a plus.  Also, former Hope standout football player/former Olivet College coach Mike Sparks is back for his second stint on the Olivet staff and that is a plus also.

I do not know where the 122 # came from.  Perhaps that is the entire # of all players that are expected to report; perhaps that was how many potential new players i.e. recruits were contacted.  More likely it is the former.  Remember also that all the schools have attrition the very first week so the # that report will drop a fair amount by the end of the second week usually. 

All that said, it will be exciting to see what will transprie in the MIAA this year with all the new changes ranging from coaching staffs and new fields/stadiums, etc. ;)
I agree 122 sounds like a solid football number for OC. YEP! it will be exciting. I am looking forward to week 1. August 8th the football players move in and we will learn alot over the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on August 05, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
Hi MIAA, Our new ratings are out. I'll give them to you and give you guys more to talk about.
First D3
1 Mount Union
2 UWW
3 Wesley
4 Delaware Valley
5 Mary Hardin- Baylor
6 North Central
7 St. John Fisher
8 Lindfield
9 Redlands
10 Salisbury

MIAA
1 Trine
2 Adrian
3 Albion
4 Hope
5 Kalamazoo
6 Alma
7 Olivet

Well there they are, this should fuel the fire. The WIAC was even more of a surprise only Whitewater #2 and Oshkosh#24 making the top 25. We felt that Platteville would make it, however they are back at 29th.
Take Care All.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on August 06, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
I am shocked. I did not expect Trine to be on top with the team Albion is fielding this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 06, 2012, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 05, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
Hi MIAA, Our new ratings are out. I'll give them to you and give you guys more to talk about.
First D3
1 Mount Union
2 UWW
3 Wesley
4 Delaware Valley
5 Mary Hardin- Baylor
6 North Central
7 St. John Fisher
8 Lindfield
9 Redlands
10 Salisbury

MIAA
1 Trine
2 Adrian
3 Albion
4 Hope
5 Kalamazoo
6 Alma
7 Olivet

Well there they are, this should fuel the fire. The WIAC was even more of a surprise only Whitewater #2 and Oshkosh#24 making the top 25. We felt that Platteville would make it, however they are back at 29th.
Take Care All.

wisd3fan2,

I like your ratings, we'll see how close they match up as the season progresses. Also, I think Hope could be higher than 4th! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 06, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 05, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
Hi MIAA, Our new ratings are out. I'll give them to you and give you guys more to talk about.
First D3
1 Mount Union
2 UWW
3 Wesley
4 Delaware Valley
5 Mary Hardin- Baylor
6 North Central
7 St. John Fisher
8 Lindfield
9 Redlands
10 Salisbury

MIAA
1 Trine
2 Adrian
3 Albion
4 Hope
5 Kalamazoo
6 Alma
7 Olivet

Well there they are, this should fuel the fire. The WIAC was even more of a surprise only Whitewater #2 and Oshkosh#24 making the top 25. We felt that Platteville would make it, however they are back at 29th.
Take Care All.

Out of curiosity, who is "our"? As in "Our new ratings..."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 06, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 06, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on August 05, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
Hi MIAA, Our new ratings are out. I'll give them to you and give you guys more to talk about.
First D3
1 Mount Union
2 UWW
3 Wesley
4 Delaware Valley
5 Mary Hardin- Baylor
6 North Central
7 St. John Fisher
8 Lindfield
9 Redlands
10 Salisbury

MIAA
1 Trine
2 Adrian
3 Albion
4 Hope
5 Kalamazoo
6 Alma
7 Olivet

Well there they are, this should fuel the fire. The WIAC was even more of a surprise only Whitewater #2 and Oshkosh#24 making the top 25. We felt that Platteville would make it, however they are back at 29th.
Take Care All.

Out of curiosity, who is "our"? As in "Our new ratings..."
I was wondering the same thing. They will definitely will stir the fire.:)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 07, 2012, 08:54:12 AM
Former-just saw a story on the use of the body tape for injuries. Of course the developer swears by it, but some doctors say it is most likely a placebo effect. What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 07, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 07, 2012, 08:54:12 AM
Former-just saw a story on the use of the body tape for injuries. Of course the developer swears by it, but some doctors say it is most likely a placebo effect. What are your thoughts?

I've used it for my back, I like it and feel like it protects from further injury.  The biggest difference I felt was my muscles were less likely to tighten up from doing simple every day tasks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 07, 2012, 09:53:27 AM
Quote from: sac on August 07, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 07, 2012, 08:54:12 AM
Former-just saw a story on the use of the body tape for injuries. Of course the developer swears by it, but some doctors say it is most likely a placebo effect. What are your thoughts?

I've used it for my back, I like it and feel like it protects from further injury.  The biggest difference I felt was my muscles were less likely to tighten up from doing simple every day tasks.
That's good. I saw them use it on knees and shins and wondered how it works. I've had mixed reviews from those who used it for shins.Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 07, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
Wow. Adrian expecting 240????? From an artical:

"Adrian will field a team from a pool of about 240 players, including a freshman class of about 130. Of those freshmen, about 50 are from talent-rich Florida."

WOW
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2012, 07:33:13 PM
sflzman:

Wow, indeed.  If that turns out to be the number for Adrian when players report at the end of this week, it must be a record.  That would even top Mount Unions usual 200+ annual turnout.  Also, perhaps Olivet does have some 122 freshman potentially ready to show up.  We'll all have to check in sometime this weekend when everyone will have at least a preliminary count/info regarding the actual #s of who showed up at our MIAA schools for the beginning of practices.

BTW, I hope your summer went well. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on August 07, 2012, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 07, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
Wow. Adrian expecting 240????? From an artical:

"Adrian will field a team from a pool of about 240 players, including a freshman class of about 130. Of those freshmen, about 50 are from talent-rich Florida."

WOW

That is mind-boggling. They list 95 Sophomores-Seniors on the 2012 roster, of which only 15 are listed as seniors. My guess is that they just took last year's roster and moved everybody up one class. I suppose that they may bring in some transfers, but I would guess that the "pool" includes every non-graduating player from last year plus some transfers plus the "130" freshmen. (I wish I could see last year's entire roster, but it's not posted.) If there are anywhere near 240 that show up for the first practice I would be shocked.

Do they have enough grass on their practice fields to hold 240?  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafan4life on August 07, 2012, 08:47:09 PM
http://alma.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/roster

Alma's Roster ^ Including Incoming freshman
Highlights of Incoming Freshman. That were available online.
#19- Blake Ordiway...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/522810/#highlights/1996336
#7- Derek Talaga...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/611214/#highlights/7538439
#29- Fabrice Constant...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/320094/#highlights/7913393
#33- Trevor Camanse...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/40818/#highlights/7730412
#38- Caleb Marcus...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/412722/#highlights/1130368
#5- Brent Luplow...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/277797/#highlights/7450372
#46- Brandon Slater...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/817948/#highlights/8931187
#59- Trevor Willnow...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/100366/#highlights/2302792
#80-Justin Gipfert...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/117537/#justin-gipfert
#81-Shawn Mcdonald...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/40852/#highlights/7652617
#86-Joe Prokes...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/276087/#highlights/5768866
#8- Logan Goins...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ns4oK9jB4

Next up. In a couple hours. Hope's highlights of incoming freshman. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on August 07, 2012, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: miaafan4life on August 07, 2012, 08:47:09 PM
http://alma.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/roster

Alma's Roster ^ Including Incoming freshman
Highlights of Incoming Freshman. That were available online.
#19- Blake Ordiway...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/522810/#highlights/1996336
#7- Derek Talaga...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/611214/#highlights/7538439
#29- Fabrice Constant...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/320094/#highlights/7913393
#33- Trevor Camanse...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/40818/#highlights/7730412
#38- Caleb Marcus...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/412722/#highlights/1130368
#5- Brent Luplow...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/277797/#highlights/7450372
#46- Brandon Slater...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/817948/#highlights/8931187
#59- Trevor Willnow...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/100366/#highlights/2302792
#80-Justin Gipfert...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/117537/#justin-gipfert
#81-Shawn Mcdonald...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/40852/#highlights/7652617
#86-Joe Prokes...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/276087/#highlights/5768866
#8- Logan Goins...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ns4oK9jB4

Next up. In a couple hours. Hope's highlights of incoming freshman.

Wow this is fantastic. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 07, 2012, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 07, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
Wow. Adrian expecting 240????? From an artical:

"Adrian will field a team from a pool of about 240 players, including a freshman class of about 130. Of those freshmen, about 50 are from talent-rich Florida."

WOW

sflzman,

If the Adrian number of 240 is close to accurate, I hope the have several equipment managers and a huge budget for uniforms. Maybe they have more than one JV team, do you know? What about the other MIAA schools, do they all have JV teams or not? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on August 07, 2012, 09:23:32 PM
I can verify Trine, Adrian, Alma, Hope have JV teams. I would think OC and Kalamzoo also have them
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 07, 2012, 09:49:22 PM
Bricklin:

Olivet has a JV team also (they are listed on Hope's JV schedule as are the other teams, which is posted Hope's football webpage).  I don't recall that Kazoo has a JV team because they simply have not had enough players in recent years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 08, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 07, 2012, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 07, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
Wow. Adrian expecting 240????? From an artical:

"Adrian will field a team from a pool of about 240 players, including a freshman class of about 130. Of those freshmen, about 50 are from talent-rich Florida."

WOW

sflzman,

If the Adrian number of 240 is close to accurate, I hope the have several equipment managers and a huge budget for uniforms. Maybe they have more than one JV team, do you know? What about the other MIAA schools, do they all have JV teams or not? :-\

I seem to remember Adrian having 2 JV teams in the past - can anyone confirm?

FWIW - I just looked at the 2011 Adrian Football media guide, and it has 149 players listed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 08, 2012, 10:20:17 AM
Football moving in today for Trine!  Won't see the field yet but still getting pretty excited to have football back on campus!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 08, 2012, 11:07:49 AM
Albion now has lights

http://www.albion.edu/sports/athletic-department-mainmenu-578/athletic-facilities/facility-upgrades/4880-sprankle-sprandel-lighting-project-complete
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 09, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
70 degrees, overcast, no humidity for day 1 of camp...spoiled brats!

back in my day we ran our 40 yard dashes uphill both ways!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 09, 2012, 10:11:07 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 09, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
70 degrees, overcast, no humidity for day 1 of camp...spoiled brats!

back in my day we ran our 40 yard dashes uphill both ways!
Hahahaha.....80's due back in a few days. They don't get off that easy.:):)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 09, 2012, 02:54:04 PM
Quote from: sac on August 08, 2012, 11:07:49 AM
Albion now has lights

http://www.albion.edu/sports/athletic-department-mainmenu-578/athletic-facilities/facility-upgrades/4880-sprankle-sprandel-lighting-project-complete

Is Alma the only school without lights now or does Olivet not have lights either?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 09, 2012, 02:59:55 PM
Quote from: miaafan4life on August 07, 2012, 08:47:09 PM
http://alma.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/roster

Alma's Roster ^ Including Incoming freshman
Highlights of Incoming Freshman. That were available online.
#19- Blake Ordiway...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/522810/#highlights/1996336
#7- Derek Talaga...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/611214/#highlights/7538439
#29- Fabrice Constant...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/320094/#highlights/7913393
#33- Trevor Camanse...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/40818/#highlights/7730412
#38- Caleb Marcus...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/412722/#highlights/1130368
#5- Brent Luplow...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/277797/#highlights/7450372
#46- Brandon Slater...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/817948/#highlights/8931187
#59- Trevor Willnow...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/100366/#highlights/2302792
#80-Justin Gipfert...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/117537/#justin-gipfert
#81-Shawn Mcdonald...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/40852/#highlights/7652617
#86-Joe Prokes...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/276087/#highlights/5768866
#8- Logan Goins...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ns4oK9jB4

Next up. In a couple hours. Hope's highlights of incoming freshman.

The one that is intriguing to me is #29 Fabrice Constant.  You can find some track info if you google him.  Seems like the Scots stumbled across some speed with that one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on August 09, 2012, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2012, 02:54:04 PM
Quote from: sac on August 08, 2012, 11:07:49 AM
Albion now has lights

http://www.albion.edu/sports/athletic-department-mainmenu-578/athletic-facilities/facility-upgrades/4880-sprankle-sprandel-lighting-project-complete

Is Alma the only school without lights now or does Olivet not have lights either?

We have lights. Have played several night games, including our first game ever on the turf in 2004 was on a Thursday night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on August 09, 2012, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 09, 2012, 02:59:55 PM
Quote from: miaafan4life on August 07, 2012, 08:47:09 PM
http://alma.prestosports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/roster

Alma's Roster ^ Including Incoming freshman
Highlights of Incoming Freshman. That were available online.
#19- Blake Ordiway...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/522810/#highlights/1996336
#7- Derek Talaga...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/611214/#highlights/7538439
#29- Fabrice Constant...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/320094/#highlights/7913393
#33- Trevor Camanse...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/40818/#highlights/7730412
#38- Caleb Marcus...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/412722/#highlights/1130368
#5- Brent Luplow...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/277797/#highlights/7450372
#46- Brandon Slater...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/817948/#highlights/8931187
#59- Trevor Willnow...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/100366/#highlights/2302792
#80-Justin Gipfert...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/117537/#justin-gipfert
#81-Shawn Mcdonald...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/40852/#highlights/7652617
#86-Joe Prokes...http://www.hudl.com/athlete/276087/#highlights/5768866
#8- Logan Goins...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ns4oK9jB4

Next up. In a couple hours. Hope's highlights of incoming freshman.

The one that is intriguing to me is #29 Fabrice Constant.  You can find some track info if you google him.  Seems like the Scots stumbled across some speed with that one.

The best i found for him was; This might not be his best but must be what he regularly runs

Fabrice Constant    12 Varela                   11.60Q  NWI  1

Not that fast and the video shows that he is getting caught. As i am looking at the numbers of past players under 11.1 is impressive. I am waiting for more schools to show there roster but is anyone under 11.0?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2012, 10:03:58 PM
Besides Alma, Albion and Olivet, Kazoo and Hope now both have lights.  Strange, but I can't recall if Adrian has them at their stadium (without going to their website right now before I post this :o ::)).

BTW, Hope's players reported today and there were 140+ (I witnessed this first hand! :D).  First practice occurred on the new stadium turf this afternoon (see posted photos on Hope's website).  It was a much cooler and slightly rainy day for the opening of pre-season practice - actually ideal conditions.  It is projected to be this way through Saturday, although most likely it will return next week to the usual humid, hot August weather that we see typical for pre-season.  The players will at least get to enjoy the cooler times for now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 10, 2012, 09:49:13 AM
Hope's roster:  http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/fbrost.html

a really quick count with my fuzzy eyesight came up with 8 out of state players.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 10, 2012, 10:12:37 AM
Looks like some big numbers reporting to MIAA schools this season. Is it just me or does anyone else think there should be roster limits by the start of the first game? I know from talking to some players they are not fans of big numbers at practice. Just wondering what are some of your thoughts on this subject?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 10, 2012, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 10, 2012, 10:12:37 AM
Looks like some big numbers reporting to MIAA schools this season. Is it just me or does anyone else think there should be roster limits by the start of the first game? I know from talking to some players they are not fans of big numbers at practice. Just wondering what are some of your thoughts on this subject?

newcardfan,

I wonder if those schools have the football budget to equip, house and handle those high numbers of players. Regarding a roster limit, it does usually drop off after the first game by attrition alone. If a team makes the playoffs, then it is drastically reduced, but that does not  happen until week 11. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 10, 2012, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 10, 2012, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 10, 2012, 10:12:37 AM
Looks like some big numbers reporting to MIAA schools this season. Is it just me or does anyone else think there should be roster limits by the start of the first game? I know from talking to some players they are not fans of big numbers at practice. Just wondering what are some of your thoughts on this subject?

newcardfan,

I wonder if those schools have the football budget to equip, house and handle those high numbers of players. Regarding a roster limit, it does usually drop off after the first game by attrition alone. If a team makes the playoffs, then it is drastically reduced, but that does not  happen until week 11. :)
That's true, teams do lose some players during the season, especially newbiews, who discover D3 is no cakewalk and it is hard to get significant varsity playing time. I was thinking more along the lines of some limits early on. You are correct Raider in wondering if some schools have the budgets, equipment and facilities for big numbers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 11, 2012, 09:53:44 PM
The season is getting close!  I'm probably going to be unavailable for at least a couple of weeks during the season, so we need a new volunteer to run pick-ems  (Or at least a backup for the weeks I can't do it.)

While I enjoyed doing it, I think it would be best if someone else took it over completely; if no one steps up, I'll do it, but there may be some missing weeks unless someone chimes in.

Bueler?  Anyone? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 14, 2012, 04:29:12 PM
Wondering if there was any interest out there for an MIAA Themed fantasy football league.  Figured it could be another way to add on another layer of smack talk between us on the MIAA board.

Here's a link to the league:  http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/leagueoffice?leagueId=622773&seasonId=2012

Anyone interested can go ahead and PM me.

Go Scots!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 14, 2012, 08:07:13 PM
Trine University 2012 football roster is up on their website.     http://www.trine.edu/athletics/mens_sports/football/roster/

Did a quick count: approximately 73 Freshman on the 151 man roster.  Pretty typical numbers at Trine year in and year out as far as roster size.  Defections, last years freshman who don't return to school or transfer or opt not to play, are about the norm too.  One thing I noticed in browsing the roster is the physical size of the incoming class, seems to be bigger/taller kids than in the past.  I like 6'1 linebackers over 5'8, although some of those smaller guys are tough as nails!

Does anyone else think the Trine athletics website is awful?  You have to click on a "bullet point" for your athletic team you want to browse and then scroll down to view the page.  It was much better last year.  What happened?

Good luck to all the MIAA schools this year.  Can't wait for the season to start. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 14, 2012, 09:44:18 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 14, 2012, 08:07:13 PM
Trine University 2012 football roster is up on their website.     http://www.trine.edu/athletics/mens_sports/football/roster/

Did a quick count: approximately 73 Freshman on the 151 man roster.  Pretty typical numbers at Trine year in and year out as far as roster size.  Defections, last years freshman who don't return to school or transfer or opt not to play, are about the norm too.  One thing I noticed in browsing the roster is the physical size of the incoming class, seems to be bigger/taller kids than in the past.  I like 6'1 linebackers over 5'8, although some of those smaller guys are tough as nails!

Does anyone else think the Trine athletics website is awful?  You have to click on a "bullet point" for your athletic team you want to browse and then scroll down to view the page.  It was much better last year.  What happened?

Good luck to all the MIAA schools this year.  Can't wait for the season to start.
Does anyone know what happened to Thunderhead? I thought he'd have posted his thoughts on the 2012 Trine season by now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on August 14, 2012, 10:04:29 PM
The Trine Website is awful. No question about it. I would think between there great computer science department and the computer engineering guys that they could  come up with something professional.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on August 15, 2012, 02:16:32 PM
I'll be heading to Albion on 9/8 to watch Wheaton and Albion play.  Looking forward to seeing the changes on Albion's field. Was there about 5 years ago and it was a nice facility then. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 15, 2012, 04:52:11 PM
I think we all know where Thunderhead is.  Probably bugging on boards where his "boy" is playing at now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 15, 2012, 05:59:33 PM
Didn't Thunderhead have a job transfer that took him to Arizona? Or did that fall through?

Hey Boya, what is the word on Trine for this year?  Have enough talent to challenge for a MIAA championship or are we a middle of the pack team?  Any impact freshmen or transfers? I sure hope Hargraves has a good Sr year, as it looks like all the backups at QB are either freshmen or soph Yoder, who came into camp as a QB last year but was switched to DB.  I see on this year's roster Yoder is back at QB.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 16, 2012, 11:39:39 AM
Now that u meantion it I think I recall that job transfer as well
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 16, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
It's official:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/08/hope_college_will_pay_952000_t.html?utm_source=Thursday%2C+August+16%2C+2012&utm_campaign=Hope+Sports+Report&utm_medium=email



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 16, 2012, 04:17:50 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 16, 2012, 11:39:39 AM
Now that u meantion it I think I recall that job transfer as well
I thought it fell through, but maybe not as he's been gone from the boards since May.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 16, 2012, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 16, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
It's official:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/08/hope_college_will_pay_952000_t.html?utm_source=Thursday%2C+August+16%2C+2012&utm_campaign=Hope+Sports+Report&utm_medium=email
Congrats to Hope on the stadium-it looks great!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 16, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 16, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
It's official:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/08/hope_college_will_pay_952000_t.html?utm_source=Thursday%2C+August+16%2C+2012&utm_campaign=Hope+Sports+Report&utm_medium=email





Congrats to Hope College, its alumni and supporters for making a long awaited goal of stadium ownership and updating. The stadium looks fantastic and it also speaks well for the MIAA to have
another school with a great facility! Well done!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 17, 2012, 08:30:07 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 15, 2012, 05:59:33 PM
Didn't Thunderhead have a job transfer that took him to Arizona? Or did that fall through?

Hey Boya, what is the word on Trine for this year?  Have enough talent to challenge for a MIAA championship or are we a middle of the pack team?  Any impact freshmen or transfers? I sure hope Hargraves has a good Sr year, as it looks like all the backups at QB are either freshmen or soph Yoder, who came into camp as a QB last year but was switched to DB.  I see on this year's roster Yoder is back at QB.

I have not been around camp as much as usual so not much to share from my standpoint.  I've seen some of the freshman come in and they do look to be pretty good size.  I am sure there are some injuries and suprises throughout camp but who doesnt have those.  I am just excited to see the end product that we put out on the field this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 17, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Officially the new home for the Scots:

http://www.goalmascots.com/landing/index
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 17, 2012, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 17, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Officially the new home for the Scots:

http://www.goalmascots.com/landing/index


sflzman,

Great new site for Alma, well done! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 17, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 17, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Officially the new home for the Scots:

http://www.goalmascots.com/landing/index

Great website!!  Can you put Alma's SID in touch with Trine's SID to show him what a well designed athletics website should look like?  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2012, 02:32:32 AM
Prayers for Adrian football player Tim McKenna who was shot in the chest while delivering a pizza in Detroit.


http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/08/17/pizza-franchise-creates-not-after-dark-delivery-rule-in-detroit-after-driver-shot/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 18, 2012, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 17, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 17, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Officially the new home for the Scots:

http://www.goalmascots.com/landing/index

Great website!!  Can you put Alma's SID in touch with Trine's SID to show him what a well designed athletics website should look like?  :)

You're barking up the wrong tree. When Brian was hired, the new website was already in the works. If you want Trine to change to Presto, make sure the athletic department is willing to pay for it and the school is willing to have the site hosted off of its servers. Those are the usual roadblocks, not the will of the SID.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 18, 2012, 05:48:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2012, 02:32:32 AM
Prayers for Adrian football player Tim McKenna who was shot in the chest while delivering a pizza in Detroit.


http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/08/17/pizza-franchise-creates-not-after-dark-delivery-rule-in-detroit-after-driver-shot/
What is wrong with people!? Prayers to him for a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 19, 2012, 06:29:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 18, 2012, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 17, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 17, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Officially the new home for the Scots:

http://www.goalmascots.com/landing/index

Great website!!  Can you put Alma's SID in touch with Trine's SID to show him what a well designed athletics website should look like?  :)

You're barking up the wrong tree. When Brian was hired, the new website was already in the works. If you want Trine to change to Presto, make sure the athletic department is willing to pay for it and the school is willing to have the site hosted off of its servers. Those are the usual roadblocks, not the will of the SID.

I'm sure Brian would highly appreciate a Presto site since he experienced it first hand while at Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dlippiel on August 19, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 17, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Officially the new home for the Scots:

http://www.goalmascots.com/landing/index

An excellent site! Thanks for posting, good luck to Alma on the year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 19, 2012, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!
Agree!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 19, 2012, 09:23:07 PM
To formerd3db, newcardfan, and anyone else intending to meet up with me in Holland in September:

While IWU@Hope is definitely on my calendar, it is looking more and more likely I will be out west on that date.

Not a done deal (either way), but just a heads up.  I'd love to be there (and might still be), but family comes first, and (alas) I am the ONLY d3 fan in the family. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 20, 2012, 07:05:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 19, 2012, 09:23:07 PM
To formerd3db, newcardfan, and anyone else intending to meet up with me in Holland in September:

While IWU@Hope is definitely on my calendar, it is looking more and more likely I will be out west on that date.

Not a done deal (either way), but just a heads up.  I'd love to be there (and might still be), but family comes first, and (alas) I am the ONLY d3 fan in the family. :P
You could come down to NC for homecoming. That should be a good one! Well...as long as NC wins it will be a good one:):):):)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!

As a ND fan I am pretty put off by it.  I understand that in a competitive recruiting market there is a lot stacked against ND.  Academic standards, location, tradition of uniforms and other things (when how an athlete looks on the field is so important).  But if all these things really do stack up against a team and how they recruit then how is OSU (and it pains me to say this) able to sustain it year in and year out?! 

Going to be dissapointed not to see the golden domes out on the field on saturdays. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 20, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!

As a ND fan I am pretty put off by it.  I understand that in a competitive recruiting market there is a lot stacked against ND.  Academic standards, location, tradition of uniforms and other things (when how an athlete looks on the field is so important).  But if all these things really do stack up against a team and how they recruit then how is OSU (and it pains me to say this) able to sustain it year in and year out?! 

Going to be dissapointed not to see the golden domes out on the field on saturdays.

I disagree with all of you.  I LOVE those helmets.  My second favorite all time, only short of the Maryland State flag ones last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 20, 2012, 12:57:22 PM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Going to be dissapointed not to see the golden domes out on the field on saturdays.

I think it's just for one game (the game against Miami if I remember the article I read).  I'm sure you'll have plenty of Notre Dame related things to cringe about weekly, but it'll be those awful helmets for just one week.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 20, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 20, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!

As a ND fan I am pretty put off by it.  I understand that in a competitive recruiting market there is a lot stacked against ND.  Academic standards, location, tradition of uniforms and other things (when how an athlete looks on the field is so important).  But if all these things really do stack up against a team and how they recruit then how is OSU (and it pains me to say this) able to sustain it year in and year out?! 

Going to be dissapointed not to see the golden domes out on the field on saturdays.

I disagree with all of you.  I LOVE those helmets.  My second favorite all time, only short of the Maryland State flag ones last year.
I always thought that was the worst of all time-but to each their own.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 20, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Raider68:
Thanks.  Indeed, the "new" stadium and field look fantastic.  I had the chance to see it today and last week.

BTW, yes, prayers to the Adrian player and his family.

sflzman:
I agree with the others-Alma's new athletic website is excellent.  BTW, I see where Coach Lewis is no longer on the staff.  That is a surprise to me.  Do you know where he went to-and why?  I thought he was being retained by Psconda.  Was this a recent development?

Mr. Yspi:
It would be great to see and visit with you as always.  However, if it doesn't work out for you, I (and I'm sure the others) totally understand.  Keep us posted.

I have to agree with some of the others, although I am probably in the "minority" here! :o ::) ;D  I liked the Maryland state flag helmets last year.  However, I have not yet seen the new ND ones.

Hope has its final intra-squad scrimmage this Sat evening under the lights at our new field and stadium.  It is "game atmosphere", with a good crowd, although a controlled scrimmage.  Hope is one of the few schools that still does it that way as opposed to the controlled scrimmages against other colleges/universities like most of the other schools do.  Anyway, talk to you all later.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 20, 2012, 09:22:48 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1300511-notre-dame-football-grading-irish-uniforms-for-2012-shamrock-series-vs-miami

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These are an abomination.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 20, 2012, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: sac on August 20, 2012, 09:22:48 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1300511-notre-dame-football-grading-irish-uniforms-for-2012-shamrock-series-vs-miami

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These are an abomination.

Wow, I agree! :o ::)  Those make the Maryland helmets look like a Picasso! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 20, 2012, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 20, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 20, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!

As a ND fan I am pretty put off by it.  I understand that in a competitive recruiting market there is a lot stacked against ND.  Academic standards, location, tradition of uniforms and other things (when how an athlete looks on the field is so important).  But if all these things really do stack up against a team and how they recruit then how is OSU (and it pains me to say this) able to sustain it year in and year out?! 

Going to be dissapointed not to see the golden domes out on the field on saturdays.

I disagree with all of you.  I LOVE those helmets.  My second favorite all time, only short of the Maryland State flag ones last year.
I always thought that was the worst of all time-but to each their own.

Can you imagine tradition-rich programs such as USC, Michigan, Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Penn State (gulp), and Oklahoma (and others) going for the glitzy helmet look.  I don't think so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 21, 2012, 06:06:21 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 20, 2012, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 20, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 20, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!

As a ND fan I am pretty put off by it.  I understand that in a competitive recruiting market there is a lot stacked against ND.  Academic standards, location, tradition of uniforms and other things (when how an athlete looks on the field is so important).  But if all these things really do stack up against a team and how they recruit then how is OSU (and it pains me to say this) able to sustain it year in and year out?! 

Going to be dissapointed not to see the golden domes out on the field on saturdays.

I disagree with all of you.  I LOVE those helmets.  My second favorite all time, only short of the Maryland State flag ones last year.
I always thought that was the worst of all time-but to each their own.

Can you imagine tradition-rich programs such as USC, Michigan, Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Penn State (gulp), and Oklahoma (and others) going for the glitzy helmet look.  I don't think so.
Let's hope not!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on August 21, 2012, 07:08:40 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!

As a ND fan I am pretty put off by it ...  But if all these things really do stack up against a team and how they recruit then how is OSU (and it pains me to say this) able to sustain it year in and year out?!   

Perhaps incoming frosh under a mistaken impression the designated, "big play" decals are Cannabis sativa rather than Aesculus glabra? Whoohoo - dancin' up High Street doing a "chamba samba" totin' a bagga dagga.   :o;) ::)  Only two more weeks of bad Africa references, folks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on August 21, 2012, 08:14:39 AM
Albion held an inter squad scrimmage last Saturday night under the new lights.  Looked very good on both sides of the ball.  I believe they are having one more later this week.  Can not wait until September 1st!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 21, 2012, 03:01:29 PM
I thought I had mentioned it, my bad!  :-\ But John Lewis quit the day before camp started.  He was being retained, but as a WR coach in an offense that will throw the ball much less than years past.  I do not know where he went but will keep my eyes out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 21, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 20, 2012, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 20, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 20, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!

As a ND fan I am pretty put off by it.  I understand that in a competitive recruiting market there is a lot stacked against ND.  Academic standards, location, tradition of uniforms and other things (when how an athlete looks on the field is so important).  But if all these things really do stack up against a team and how they recruit then how is OSU (and it pains me to say this) able to sustain it year in and year out?! 

Going to be dissapointed not to see the golden domes out on the field on saturdays.

I disagree with all of you.  I LOVE those helmets.  My second favorite all time, only short of the Maryland State flag ones last year.
I always thought that was the worst of all time-but to each their own.

Can you imagine tradition-rich programs such as USC, Michigan, Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Penn State (gulp), and Oklahoma (and others) going for the glitzy helmet look.  I don't think so.

DBQ1965,

I am with you! +k. Although IMHO, the new ND helmet is over the top. I always thought Penn State's was too plain. Maybe that will change with a new coach!

Hope you are doing well! What is the outlook for your team this fall? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 21, 2012, 07:49:31 PM
sac,

Thanks for posting the ND Helmet Pics! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 21, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 21, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 20, 2012, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 20, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 20, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: BOYA87 on August 20, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 19, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Since MIAA discussions sometimes roam far-and-wide ... on the Puke Meter, the recently unvieled Notre Dame new football helmet models have scored an 11+!

As a ND fan I am pretty put off by it.  I understand that in a competitive recruiting market there is a lot stacked against ND.  Academic standards, location, tradition of uniforms and other things (when how an athlete looks on the field is so important).  But if all these things really do stack up against a team and how they recruit then how is OSU (and it pains me to say this) able to sustain it year in and year out?! 

Going to be dissapointed not to see the golden domes out on the field on saturdays.

I disagree with all of you.  I LOVE those helmets.  My second favorite all time, only short of the Maryland State flag ones last year.
I always thought that was the worst of all time-but to each their own.

Can you imagine tradition-rich programs such as USC, Michigan, Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Penn State (gulp), and Oklahoma (and others) going for the glitzy helmet look.  I don't think so.

DBQ1965,

I am with you! +k. Although IMHO, the new ND helmet is over the top. I always thought Penn State's was too plain. Maybe that will change with a new coach!

Hope you are doing well! What is the outlook for your team this fall? :)
You might get your wish with Penn State.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 21, 2012, 09:22:01 PM
Raider68 and cave2:
Hope you guys are doing well.  Hard to believe summer is essentially gone.

sflzman:
If you did mention it, I must have missed it.  Quite surprising that John Lewis would leave, not only right before camp, yet also giving up a full-time job.  His having been there for the past several years and in a full-time position, I know he was not being paid peanuts.  He must have had (at least I hope so) another good paying job lined up (whether in coaching or not) or, if not, he'd better have had some $ in reserve to survive for awhile (he has a wife and a young child as you know).  Regardless, that is too bad about his leaving, IMO, and if he was being changed to a position coach (i.e. WR coach), I hope that Psconda discussed that in detail with him regarding his role long before camp (if he didn't, that is Coach P's "bad").  Not that Lewis would not be a good position coach because he was Running Backs coach for several years, although we all know that is essentially the entry level position for new young coaches and Lewis was well beyond that.  At the same time, I also can't imagine that Lewis just all of a sudden decided that he didn't want to do that role - there must have been something else underlying the situation.  I realize that you can't discuss that here for obvious reasons, however, as you know, I can find out (if I want to)! :o :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
But everyone knows what the Penn State helmet looks like!

Alabama is just as plain!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 23, 2012, 11:32:28 AM
formerd3db,

You are now in even more elite company! Congrats on achieving +1000K! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 23, 2012, 05:09:35 PM
Raider68:

Hey, thanks my friend!  Although that probably just means that I have been here alot longer than some of our colleagues!  BTW, I forgot/missed congratulating you on reaching your own milestone of 700+k, so my apologies.  That, too, is a great accomplishment -well done, sir!

Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 23, 2012, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 23, 2012, 05:09:35 PM
Raider68:

Hey, thanks my friend!  Although that probably just means that I have been here alot longer than some of our colleagues!  BTW, I forgot/missed congratulating you on reaching your own milestone of 700+k, so my apologies.  That, too, is a great accomplishment -well done, sir!

Talk to you later.
Congrats to both of you!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 23, 2012, 08:27:47 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on August 23, 2012, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 23, 2012, 05:09:35 PM
Raider68:

Hey, thanks my friend!  Although that probably just means that I have been here alot longer than some of our colleagues!  BTW, I forgot/missed congratulating you on reaching your own milestone of 700+k, so my apologies.  That, too, is a great accomplishment -well done, sir!

Talk to you later.
Congrats to both of you!

Thanks! You are making the climb yourself.  Keep up the good work/good discussion/commentary and thanks for contributing over here on our board as well.  Best wishes to your son for this season as well as yourself in yours.  Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 23, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
But everyone knows what the Penn State helmet looks like!

Alabama is just as plain!

Alabama is a classic! As with Michigan I hope those two never change!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on August 24, 2012, 06:08:04 AM
Quote from: sflzman on August 23, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
But everyone knows what the Penn State helmet looks like!

Alabama is just as plain!

Alabama is a classic! As with Michigan I hope those two never change!
I don't see those two teams messing with tradition anytime soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 24, 2012, 08:27:42 AM
As the fall season begins with all the MIAA teams, Just about all the schools now have updgraded
facilities, so here is a question:

If I am attending an MIAA game this fall, which School should I attend based upon the following
criteria:

1. Best overall competitiveness
2. Beat overall facilities
3. Best fan support
4. Best football atmosphere



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 24, 2012, 02:33:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 23, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
But everyone knows what the Penn State helmet looks like!

Alabama is just as plain!

Alabama is a classic! As with Michigan I hope those two never change!

Yeah Michigan would never get caught up in that marketing stuff.....

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This is their road jersey for this year, which isn't half bad actually other than having hardly any historical relevance and 3 different shades of maize(none of them actually being maize)
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I'm willing to bet money there is a home version of those that will be trotted out the day Michigan State comes to Ann Arbor with their away version of their Baylor uniforms they wore last year.

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Nebraska and Wisconsin will be fighting the alphabet war this year
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wonder where they got that idea?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 24, 2012, 04:08:07 PM
Raider 68: Alma or Albion!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AndOne on August 24, 2012, 07:33:25 PM
Quote from: sac on August 24, 2012, 02:33:33 PM
Quote from: sflzman on August 23, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
But everyone knows what the Penn State helmet looks like!

Alabama is just as plain!

Alabama is a classic! As with Michigan I hope those two never change!

Yeah Michigan would never get caught up in that marketing stuff.....

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This is their road jersey for this year, which isn't half bad actually other than having hardly any historical relevance and 3 different shades of maize(none of them actually being maize)
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I'm willing to bet money there is a home version of those that will be trotted out the day Michigan State comes to Ann Arbor with their away version of their Baylor uniforms they wore last year.

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Nebraska and Wisconsin will be fighting the alphabet war this year
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wonder where they got that idea?

Nebraska replacing numbers on the front of the jersey with a giant N emphasizing, once again, that at good 'ol Nebraska U, nowlege is king!   :)   ;)   ???   ::)   :-[   :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 24, 2012, 07:40:11 PM
sac:
Actually, there is some "semi"-historical relevance to those jerseys.  Michigan's 1901 and 1902 teams had some jerseys with top shoulder pad coverage of a different shade than the body, although, admittedly, they actually had a combination of such (which, of course, was allowed back then), including the canvas vests and the block "M" turtle neck (ref: Univ. of Michigan Football Scrapbook, Cohen, Deutsch and NEft, BOBBS-MERRILL, Indianapolis/New York, 1978, pp. 22, 26).

Also, the special striped sleeve jerseys that they wore last year that you show in the other phots (again, along with the block "M" jersey they unveiled last year) for special games, have historical relevance.  The Michigan teams of 1884, 1889 and 1891 wore striped sleeves (although had some on the body portion of the jersey as well), while the 1897 team had the block "M" jerseys (U of Mich Football Scrapbook, Ibid, pp. 11-13 and 17).

Again, while not exact, these do have some "semi" historical relevance/basis. ::) ;) :D

Nonetheless, I do not like the new road jersey this year.  I like the striped sleeve one better. And, of course, the helmet is my favorite and always will be.  As you and others have said, think the chance of Michigan ever changing or doing away with that is like a "snowball's chance in H***! :o :o ::) :P ;D ;) - they had better not ever, ever do that! 

Anyway, as always, thanks for sharing with us this info - you always have some great contributions here!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 26, 2012, 03:11:47 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2012 TOP 25 FAN POLL (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.msg1434525#msg1434525):
Please send me a PM with your ballot. I'd like to get a preseason poll up by Thursday night.

During the season ballots shall be due by Tuesdays so I can get them up Tuesday night.

Remember, this is just fun and we aren't part of the BCS Formula... yet ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 27, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
Holland Municipal Stadium has always had lights but it looks like Hope has replaced and upgraded them.  Stadium improvements coming fast and furious.


Only 3 days to kickoff at Trine, 5 for the rest of us
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on August 27, 2012, 02:17:27 PM
Raider 68 Trine vs Albion oct. 6th, Trine at Adrian oct. 13th and Trine vs olivet oct. 27th, Trine has averaged over 4500+ attendance the last 4 seasons no other MIAA school can say that it isnt even close when it comes to game day there isnt a better place to watch a MIAA game than Angola IN.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 28, 2012, 07:41:30 PM
Well opening weekend of MIAA football is quickly approaching with Trine first up with a home tilt against Manchester College Thursday evening at Zollner Stadium at 7pm.  Looking forward to the game, the atmosphere at the stadium is terrrific for a small school like Trine.  Love the festivites before the game; the Thunder marching band, the skydivers and/or helicopter brining in the game ball, the fireworks.  Gets everyone pumped up!

How many posters on here are going to the Trine game Thursday?  What are your expections for the team this year?  My predicted order of finish in the conference is 1) Adrian  2) Albion  3) Trine  4) Hope  5) Alma  6) Kalamazoo  7) Olivet.  I will say that there will be a lot of parity this year and there will be a few upsets, but I won't be shocked if the order of finish of the top 4 teams is reversed with Hope winning the crown.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 29, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
I still think Trine takes this thing with the number of guys that contributed that are coming back.  And I might go out on a limb and say Olivet is ahead of Kzoo too.  1) Trine 2) Adrian 3) Hope 4) Albion 5) Alma 6) Olivet 7) Kalamazoo is what I would say right now probably
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 30, 2012, 10:19:33 PM
Back from the Trine-Manchester game.  Final score 24-14 Thunder.  Up 17-7 at half, TU survives the 2nd half.  Up 17-14 late in 4th and Manchester had a chance with a drive in the last 5 minutes to pull it out, but Trine D held on 4 downs on MC end of the field and then the Offense ran in a TD with under a minute to play for the final score. 

We have lots of work to do that is for sure.  Will post more thoughts on the game tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 31, 2012, 08:55:44 PM
Some observations from Trine-Manchester game last night.

*Another good turnout on a perfect night for football.  Around 4800 fans.  Student section has moved to east endzone.  Band has moved to visitor side.

*Trine defense.  Grade C.  Very good on 1st and 2nd downs, not so much on 3rd.  Manchester converted way too many 3rd and longs. Need to learn how to get off the field/make plays on 3rd down.   DLine was solid, shut down run game for the most part.  LB's and DB's had some moments but were inconsistent.  Manchester's QB scrambled for a lot of yardage, need better shadowing of the QB by the LB's, and our LB's, other than Nitz, who by the way had an awesome game, were slow to the ball.
*Trine offense.  Grade D.  QB Hargraves...ugh.  Did not sense any improvement from last year.  Can scramble, but just can't pick out targets or checkdowns, did not attempt even one deep ball to keep their D honest.  Granted our deep threat Chrystal was out with an injury, but our passing game needs lots of work.  Running game got better as game progressed.  Barton runs hard.  OLine was best unit on Offense.  Again they got better as game went on, negative was they had a couple penalties that stopped a promising drive in the 3rd quarter.  No turnovers, so that aspect was good. 
*Special teams.  Grade A.  Puryear's KO return for TD in 2nd quarter was HUGE, just after Manchester had long drive to tie the game.  KO and Punt coverage teams were very good.  Keck converted his only FG attempt.  Muir had 1 shanked punt otherwise was ok.

I know it's cliche', but teams grow the most between first and second games of the season.  Coaches have some work to do next week to get the boys ready for the road trip to suburban Chicago to take on Elmhurst. 

Good luck to the rest of the MIAA teams this weekend.  Time to get back to watching the MSU-Boise St game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2012, 08:35:01 AM
TUAngola:

Thanks for the Trine/Manchester summary.  Wow, 4800 in attendance for the opening season game, and against Manchester, even.  That is great.  Anyway, indeed, there will be many teams that need to tweak some things and improve for the second game after today, including Michigan State last evening.  IMO, they were "okay" but aside from Bell, I wasn't impressed.  I think they are overrated, yet, they will obviously improve and I'll probably be saying that (overrated) about Michigan after tonight's game!

As far as today's MIAA games, best of luck to all the teams.  I hope Hope's home attendance is nearly as good as Trine's is.  There is a good chance it might be better than usual since it is the Annual Community Day (42nd Annual, believe it or not) celebrating the great relationship that the College has with the City of Holland and the unveiling of the new stadium renovations and synthetic turf (although Holland High School used it last night for their game).  The College will be completing the deal by the end of the month in buying the stadium from the City and will then completely own it.  They've painted the pressbox and concession stand and utilitiy buildings also.  Anyway, safe travels to all as you go to the games today.  We'll look forward to the report summaries of the games!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on September 01, 2012, 08:54:23 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 01, 2012, 08:35:01 AM
TUAngola:

Thanks for the Trine/Manchester summary.  Wow, 4800 in attendance for the opening season game, and against Manchester, even.  That is great.  Anyway, indeed, there will be many teams that need to tweak some things and improve for the second game after today, including Michigan State last evening.  IMO, they were "okay" but aside from Bell, I wasn't impressed.  I think they are overrated, yet, they will obviously improve and I'll probably be saying that (overrated) about Michigan after tonight's game!

As far as today's MIAA games, best of luck to all the teams.  I hope Hope's home attendance is nearly as good as Trine's is.  There is a good chance it might be better than usual since it is the Annual Community Day (42nd Annual, believe it or not) celebrating the great relationship that the College has with the City of Holland and the unveiling of the new stadium renovations and synthetic turf (although Holland High School used it last night for their game).  The College will be completing the deal by the end of the month in buying the stadium from the City and will then completely own it.  They've painted the pressbox and concession stand and utilitiy buildings also.  Anyway, safe travels to all as you go to the games today.  We'll look forward to the report summaries of the games!   
I ws thinking the same thing about MSU after watching the 2nd half. I expected them to put up more points, but it is the first game and a win is a win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2012, 09:21:44 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on September 01, 2012, 08:54:23 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 01, 2012, 08:35:01 AM
TUAngola:

Thanks for the Trine/Manchester summary.  Wow, 4800 in attendance for the opening season game, and against Manchester, even.  That is great.  Anyway, indeed, there will be many teams that need to tweak some things and improve for the second game after today, including Michigan State last evening.  IMO, they were "okay" but aside from Bell, I wasn't impressed.  I think they are overrated, yet, they will obviously improve and I'll probably be saying that (overrated) about Michigan after tonight's game!

As far as today's MIAA games, best of luck to all the teams.  I hope Hope's home attendance is nearly as good as Trine's is.  There is a good chance it might be better than usual since it is the Annual Community Day (42nd Annual, believe it or not) celebrating the great relationship that the College has with the City of Holland and the unveiling of the new stadium renovations and synthetic turf (although Holland High School used it last night for their game).  The College will be completing the deal by the end of the month in buying the stadium from the City and will then completely own it.  They've painted the pressbox and concession stand and utilitiy buildings also.  Anyway, safe travels to all as you go to the games today.  We'll look forward to the report summaries of the games!   
I ws thinking the same thing about MSU after watching the 2nd half. I expected them to put up more points, but it is the first game and a win is a win.

Indeed.  BTW, good luck today to your Cards and your son.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAA in Exile on September 01, 2012, 02:46:38 PM
Albion absolutely dismantling Defiance 42-0 just before half.  Running and passing at will.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2012, 04:17:21 PM
Hope 42
NPU 24
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 01, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
Carthage, Wis. 20, Adrian 17
Albion 55, Defiance, Ohio 0
Heidelberg, Ohio 45, Alma 0  --ooof
Hope 42, North Park, Ill. 24
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2012, 04:32:46 PM
Quote from: sac on September 01, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
Hope 42, North Park, Ill. 24

There's another one somewhere? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 01, 2012, 04:54:40 PM
So Hope scores 42 for the 42nd annual community day game. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 01, 2012, 04:55:29 PM
Ouch.  O-line and defense were terrible.  Heidelberg man-handled the Scots from the get-go.  Young, rebuilding year it looks like.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 01, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
Robert Morris 42 Olivet 0


Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2012, 04:32:46 PM
Quote from: sac on September 01, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
Hope 42, North Park, Ill. 24

There's another one somewhere? ;)

I figured I'd rub it in


Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 01, 2012, 04:54:40 PM
So Hope scores 42 for the 42nd annual community day game. :)

and 1-0 for only the 2nd time since I was in school reading 2 books, doing 3 essays, while working 3 jobs, had 2 internships, 18 credits while walking up hill in the snow both ways, and living in Kollen Hall......and that was just the first week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2012, 07:14:19 PM
You're all heart, dude. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 01, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
Mixed results for the MIAA today. Albion was impressive, Hope as well. The coming weeks will be interesting. :)

sflzman:
Sorry, I thought Heidelberg would be too much for your Alma today!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 01, 2012, 09:51:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 01, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
Mixed results for the MIAA today. Albion was impressive, Hope as well. The coming weeks will be interesting. :)

sflzman:
Sorry, I thought Heidelberg would be too much for your Alma today!

No ... I was at the game and Hope wasn't that impressive today.  The score was partially indicative of NPU's flashes of ineptness ... but Hope had some of its own.  Still, Hope had fewer mistakes and even fewer undisciplined actions.  I was thinking Hope's first real test would come in the IWU game, but it it may be next week on the road against Millikin ... they could be 2-2-0 heading into MIAA conference play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 01, 2012, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 01, 2012, 09:51:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 01, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
Mixed results for the MIAA today. Albion was impressive, Hope as well. The coming weeks will be interesting. :)

sflzman:
Sorry, I thought Heidelberg would be too much for your Alma today!

No ... I was at the game and Hope wasn't that impressive today.  The score was partially indicative of NPU's flashes of ineptness ... but Hope had some of its own.  Still, Hope had fewer
mistakes and even fewer undisciplined actions.  I was thinking Hope's first real test would come in the IWU game, but it it may be next week on the road against Millikin ... they could be 2-2-0 heading into MIAA conference play.

It would be interesting to find a scenario where that 0 is not a zero ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 02, 2012, 11:05:16 AM
Can anybody give me an idea of the "average" number of newcomers (freshmen and transfers) that show up for the beginning of fall camp that don't, for whatever reason, make it to the opening roster?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: realist on September 02, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 01, 2012, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 01, 2012, 09:51:50 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 01, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
Mixed results for the MIAA today. Albion was impressive, Hope as well. The coming weeks will be interesting. :)

sflzman:
Sorry, I thought Heidelberg would be too much for your Alma today!

No ... I was at the game and Hope wasn't that impressive today.  The score was partially indicative of NPU's flashes of ineptness ... but Hope had some of its own.  Still, Hope had fewer
mistakes and even fewer undisciplined actions.  I was thinking Hope's first real test would come in the IWU game, but it it may be next week on the road against Millikin ... they could be 2-2-0 heading into MIAA conference play.

It would be interesting to find a scenario where that 0 is not a zero ;D

According to Wikipedia:
"The only exception would be if teams agree to a draw because of severe weather conditions (if severe weather strikes when a game is tied once the third quarter begins, including overtime, or during overtime, if one team scores in an overtime period, and the other team had not finished their series when the weather situation occurs (lightning), and the lightning delay is excessively long, the teams may agree to a draw for the safety of the players; the NCAA rules are stringent on lightning delays, requiring a minimum 30-minute delay upon the first detected lightning strike within 10km of the venue, and each lightning strike detected at the venue results in an automatic resetting of the clock). The 1995-1996 school year was the last to feature tie games."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2012, 12:10:18 AM
I salute the (tied for) first place Tigers!!

The weekend went exactly as I predicted (an extremely rare event! :P):

Friday they out-slugged them; Saturday and Sunday Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander shut them down!  Bless You Boys! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 03, 2012, 12:30:38 AM
Happy first week everyone.....I also was at the Hope game Saturday, and probably felt a little better about it than DBQ1965, and have less predictive thoughts looking forward. Although, I agree that Hope did have some problems early, they were able to make the required adjustments and finished strong.....Here are my thoughts:

Defense: NPU scored on 3 of its first 4 possessions running up something in the neighborhood of 200 yards. As I understand it, part of the reason for this was that NPU made some changes to its offense (new coordinator, I heard), and what they ran was not enirely what Hope expected. Hope made some defensive changes, and NPU only scored one more time in the game, and barely had another 100 yards the rest of the way....Should Hope have known and been better prepared......maybe......but it was game 1, a first time oppornent and its not like anybody scouted NPU's scrimmage....bottom line is that they made the needed adjustments and shut things down.

Offense: Hope's running game did a great job. The line opened holes, and the 4 backs did their job from there. The passing game took a little longer to get going...started off just 3-9, but then going 17-22 the rest of the way, hitting 7 different receivers. All in all a very good effort, with way more positive than negative.

Special Teams....Kicking game was strong, punter was a freshman who did a decent job and will get better as the season goes on.

Overall this was a big win...Its been 10+ years since Hope won a season home opener, and longer than that since they beat anybody from the CCIW. I know NPU iis hardly the standard bearer for the CCIW, but they were 3-0 to start last season. It was good to see Hope play with a workman like confidence. Although the score did get close a couple of times once Hope scored their second touchdown, there never seemed to be a sense of concern as there might have been in the past. Just an attitude of ' lets do our jobs and finish the win'...the same kind of attitude that won the Adrian game for them last year....they are learning what it takes to win and just need to do it consistently....

Now its on to play Millikin and 'hope' the progress continues. The Dutchmen have not yet earned the right to forecast wins. They are to the point that they can go into games knowing they are capable of competing to win if they just continue to work hard to get better, stay healthy, and play with the same passion, resolve and the workman like effort. We're looking forward to that, and expect a fun season.

Go Hope!     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 03, 2012, 12:33:16 AM
By the way...Hope also rolled out new uniforms and new helmet decals.....they looked sharp.....all to go along with the new turf, lights, and other stadium improvments......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 03, 2012, 12:31:14 PM
My take on the Hope-NPU game may have been tainted by the two obnoxious NPU fans (parents of players I think) sitting near me.  I had to move seats and that still didn't help much.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 03, 2012, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 03, 2012, 12:31:14 PM
My take on the Hope-NPU game may have been tainted by the two obnoxious NPU fans (parents of players I think) sitting near me.  I had to move seats and that still didn't help much.

DBQ1965,

When are you coming to Alliance to see the Raiders? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopefan on September 03, 2012, 03:54:01 PM
Looking forward to driving up from St Louis to Decatur to see Hope play at Millikin on Saturday (barring bad weather)... will there be any other Hope fans there ....  Sac, Flying Dutchfan, Civic... do you travel for Football????  Or how about my CCIW buddies.... Sager?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on September 03, 2012, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: hopefan on September 03, 2012, 03:54:01 PM
Looking forward to driving up from St Louis to Decatur to see Hope play at Millikin on Saturday (barring bad weather)... will there be any other Hope fans there ....  Sac, Flying Dutchfan, Civic... do you travel for Football????  Or how about my CCIW buddies.... Sager?

Besides the fact that Mr. Sager broadcasts North Park football games (and the Vikings have a home game next week), somehow I can't imagine Greg driving 180 miles to Decatur to catch a Hope vs Millikin game.  I'll let him confirm for you though!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 03, 2012, 04:12:51 PM
My assessment of the Hope game is actually the same as DBQB and Hopewatcher believe it or not.  I was not as impressed by Hope other than they, indeed, did make the adjustments and did what they needed to do to win, which is an improvement over recent years, when we had difficulties overcoming some challenges (and couldn't score when they needed).  Admittedly, NPU wasn't a powerhouse, however, they were very quick and bigger than I had expected.  However, a "win is a win" as that old saying goes and we Hope fans will take it as being even more special since it is the first season opening win in several years as sac mentioned.  Also, as has been mentioned, the Milikin game (and the IWU) game will be the real test to see how much Hope has improved over last year.

BTW, I very much like the new Hope jerseys (the navy blue with the 3 Adidas stripes at the shoulders), however, I do not like the new "H" logo.  I guess I'm just the old fashioned traditionalist and like the Hope Yale/BYU styled "H" that we had for years (except for one year when I played way back when) ::).

I was also shocked at the Alma score.  Obviously, the 'Berg is a tremendously improved team, but the smashing that Alma had was totally unexpected -at least from my perspective. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Titan Q on September 03, 2012, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: hopewatcher on September 03, 2012, 12:30:38 AM
Overall this was a big win...Its been 10+ years since Hope won a season home opener, and longer than that since they beat anybody from the CCIW. I know NPU iis hardly the standard bearer for the CCIW, but they were 3-0 to start last season.

North Park is 0-77 in CCIW play since the start of the 2001 season.  I have to believe "big win" is a bit of an overstatement?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 03, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
Titan Q:

I believe Hopewatcher was referring to the fact that it was a "big win" for us (Hope) because we have not won an opening season game since 2004.  So in that regard only, it is not an overstatement. ;) 

Anyway, I also forgot to mention the following:  it was great to see the attendance of 4250 at the opening game for Hope.  Admittedly, it was the Annual Community Day and unveiling of the new stadium as has been mentioned.  Yet, a great number.  Now, if we can keep winning, we might be able to boast of such attendance i.e. over the 4,000 mark avg for home games and try to keep up in that regard with Trine!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 03, 2012, 05:10:39 PM
Exactly right formerdb......As I said, I know NPU is not exactly the standard bearer for the CCIW, but for Hope fans, to win a home opener for the first time in 10+ years, and break a streak of losses against CCIW that is longer than that, makes it big in removing those monkeys from our back......regardless of who its against.......now we move ahead and focus on the next opportuity to get better.....
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
So it was a big scheduling decision.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 04, 2012, 08:16:03 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 03, 2012, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 03, 2012, 12:31:14 PM
My take on the Hope-NPU game may have been tainted by the two obnoxious NPU fans (parents of players I think) sitting near me.  I had to move seats and that still didn't help much.

DBQ1965,

When are you coming to Alliance to see the Raiders? :)

When I have a Saturday free for a long drive like that one would be.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 04, 2012, 11:14:03 AM
I hadn't even noticed Hope's helmet decal was different until reading it on here.  What was the reason for the change?

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I'm curious why North Park has no yellow in their uni's?



Hope needed to ease up on the non-conference strength of schedule, for years it was much to tough.  Its one thing to play tough competition to make you 'better', its another to beat your head against a wall hoping that it will stop hurting someday. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2012, 08:49:57 PM
It wasn't so much a big scheduling decision.  Rather, the two leagues decided to sign a contract for a several year series.  I do not believe that North Park was chosen because they have had some down years and thus, a "beatable" team for Hope.  As we all know, it is difficult, nigh impossible, for the most part, to predict how teams will be talent wise when schedules are made out for future years.  Also, just for the sake of completeness in this discussion, some Hope people would like to see the Wabash, DePauw series return sometime; a few years back, Hope decided to change from that for awhile.

As to the helmet decal, it is my understanding the change in design is part of the new marketing logo change.  Hope's lacrosse team (men's) has used this type of "H" along with the anchor the past 4-5 years.  Although Hope's football uniforms/shoes, coaching/athletic training and other satff attire are with Adidas, I don't believe the new logo design was per Adidas - unlike how Nike sometimes does that in their package deals/contracts, although I really do not know for sure and could be wrong regarding Hope's case.  Nonetheless, as I previously mentioned, I prefer the old traditional Yale/BYU type "H" logo, but that's just me. ;D ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2012, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on September 03, 2012, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: hopewatcher on September 03, 2012, 12:30:38 AM
Overall this was a big win...Its been 10+ years since Hope won a season home opener, and longer than that since they beat anybody from the CCIW. I know NPU iis hardly the standard bearer for the CCIW, but they were 3-0 to start last season.

North Park is 0-77 in CCIW play since the start of the 2001 season.  I have to believe "big win" is a bit of an overstatement?

Every win is a big win it does not matter how good the other team is, the beer tastes better and the girls are better looking after a W!!

I watched the first quarter and half of Albion/Defiance. While DC is young, inexperienced, and not that good right now Albion was extremely impressive. Great lines, great RBs, solid QB play, a running game so dominant it made the passing game look easy.  This game could have been 100-0 without much more effort. Having played against Albion 3x in the 90s I would go on record saying this is the best Albion team since their dominant runs in the mid 90's. Or my Alma Mater really sucks this year
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 05, 2012, 08:44:51 AM
former d3

Trust me ... Hope may not mind DePauw back on its schedule for the first game, but you don't want to see Wabash there.  Wabash plays Hanover as their first opponent this Saturday (Hanover's second game).  Should be a monkey stomp. 

I do like the improvements to Hope field.  A big positive change.  The stands and surroundings were always nice ... but the field drained very poorly as I recall from some of the Hope / Wabash games.  I root for Hope to build on their first game and get it going.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on September 05, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
Haven't been paying attention to the MIAA teams lately so can you great MIAA posters give me the low down on who's expected to compete and win the league this year?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 05, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on September 05, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
Haven't been paying attention to the MIAA teams lately so can you great MIAA posters give me the low down on who's expected to compete and win the league this year?

MasterJedi,

From what I am hearing the top contenders for the MIAA title are;

Trine
Albion
Adrian
Hope

Not sure of the ranking, but the other posters may have a better idea of who rates 1 through 4! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 05, 2012, 03:12:58 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on September 05, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
Haven't been paying attention to the MIAA teams lately so can you great MIAA posters give me the low down on who's expected to compete and win the league this year?


This was the pre-season poll from early August.


Quote from: sac on August 02, 2012, 10:15:05 AM
MIAA pre-season poll from  http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x1225366078/Hope-College-football-picked-fourth-in-preseason-MIAA-poll

1. Adrian--10
2. Albion--11
3. Trine --16
4. Hope --17
5. Alma  --30
6. Kalamazoo  --31
7. Olivet --32

The voting was very close with 1 point separating Adrian/Albion.  Hope received 1 first place vote.  Pretty significant separation between 1-4 and 5-7
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 05, 2012, 10:02:51 PM
wabco:

I know what you mean.  Yes, I don't think Hope could match up with Wabash right now.  However, we were king of like that i.e. on/off we played them back in my day.  One year they killed us, the other year we beat them.  Also, indeed, the new stadium and field improvements at Hope are great.  No more huge crater holes as you recall and no drainage problems!

70_dc_alum:
Good to hear from you.  Thanks for the synopsis.  Hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on September 06, 2012, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: sac on September 05, 2012, 03:12:58 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on September 05, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
Haven't been paying attention to the MIAA teams lately so can you great MIAA posters give me the low down on who's expected to compete and win the league this year?


This was the pre-season poll from early August.


Quote from: sac on August 02, 2012, 10:15:05 AM
MIAA pre-season poll from  http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x1225366078/Hope-College-football-picked-fourth-in-preseason-MIAA-poll

1. Adrian--10
2. Albion--11
3. Trine --16
4. Hope --17
5. Alma  --30
6. Kalamazoo  --31
7. Olivet --32

The voting was very close with 1 point separating Adrian/Albion.  Hope received 1 first place vote.  Pretty significant separation between 1-4 and 5-7
This picture is making me hungry!yummmmmm ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 06, 2012, 07:04:32 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on September 03, 2012, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: hopefan on September 03, 2012, 03:54:01 PM
Looking forward to driving up from St Louis to Decatur to see Hope play at Millikin on Saturday (barring bad weather)... will there be any other Hope fans there ....  Sac, Flying Dutchfan, Civic... do you travel for Football????  Or how about my CCIW buddies.... Sager?

Besides the fact that Mr. Sager broadcasts North Park football games (and the Vikings have a home game next week), somehow I can't imagine Greg driving 180 miles to Decatur to catch a Hope vs Millikin game.  I'll let him confirm for you though!

LOL! Best laugh I've had today!

Quote from: Titan Q on September 03, 2012, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: hopewatcher on September 03, 2012, 12:30:38 AM
Overall this was a big win...Its been 10+ years since Hope won a season home opener, and longer than that since they beat anybody from the CCIW. I know NPU iis hardly the standard bearer for the CCIW, but they were 3-0 to start last season.

North Park is 0-77 in CCIW play since the start of the 2001 season.  I have to believe "big win" is a bit of an overstatement?

I think that hopewatcher's statement was a valid one. Regardless of NPU's inability to win in the CCIW, the Vikings have been successful in non-conference play over the past couple of seasons, which is the only thing that's really relevant when talking about a non-conference matchup such as last Saturday's in Holland. North Park also returned a very large percentage of last season's team, including 21 seniors (which has to be a record for North Park football), and has the advantage of utilizing an offense that is unfamiliar to other D3 teams and difficult to prepare for. In addition, the MIAA is several notches below the CCIW overall, and NPU has recently demonstrated an ability to beat the top teams from lower-echelon leagues; the Vikings have beaten Benedictine the past two seasons, with Benedictine subsequently going on to win the NAthCon, and last season the Vikes also beat UAA runner-up Washington (MO). So, all things considered, this probably did fit into the "big win" ballpark for Hope.

Everything's relative. Just because a team is hapless within its own league doesn't mean that it's hapless in the bigger national picture.

Quote from: formerd3db on September 04, 2012, 08:49:57 PM
It wasn't so much a big scheduling decision.  Rather, the two leagues decided to sign a contract for a several year series.  I do not believe that North Park was chosen because they have had some down years and thus, a "beatable" team for Hope.

As I said, NPU's actually been fairly strong in non-conference play over the past couple of years -- and the Vikings came darned close to winning a couple of CCIW games as well in 2011. NPU is obviously beatable as far as Hope's concerned -- we know that much after last Saturday -- but the Vikings were hardly an easy W for the Dutch, nor do I expect them to be one next year in Chicago.

I can't speak for Hope, but I think that the reasons why NPU head coach Scott Pethtel scheduled the series are: a) it's not that far of a trip; b) Hope is a solid opponent, but hardly a national power, and is thus a good non-conference test; and c) he's an MIAA guy (Adrian '75) who likes to recruit Michiana guys. He's also put Olivet on NPU's schedule.

Quote from: sac on September 04, 2012, 11:14:03 AMI'm curious why North Park has no yellow in their uni's?

Several NPU men's teams have no gold in their uniforms. The baseball team has never utilized gold for as long as Luke Johnson's been the head coach. In fact, he uses black as the main alternate color to royal blue and white, and black is not a North Park color. The men's soccer team has no gold anywhere on the kit this year, at least in terms of the road kit (the 2012 home kit will make its debut on Friday against Gustavus Adolphus). The football team has used gold trim in the past; this year, for whatever reason, it doesn't on the road uni. Again, the home uni makes its debut this weekend (against Benedictine), so we'll see if there's any gold in them thar unis.

At North Park, head coaches have wide discretion in their uniform decisions. Former head men's basketball coach Bosko Djurickovic was notorious for using powder blue rather than royal blue as the primary color of the Vikings, because he was a North Carolina fan. Drove people nuts at the Park, but he got away with it.

Personally, I like the ample use of gold in NPU unis, because it's a distinctive color -- much more distinctive than the mundane royal blue that is the school's other main color. But I don't kid myself about having any sort of pull within the North Park athletic department. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Hope has played Chicago area/Illinois region teams frequently in past decades.  As Sager has said, one of the main reasons is the shorter/easier travel distance for both them and opponents.  Obviously, that cuts down on costs as often, those trips are one-day trips there and back.  Also, I don't doubt at all that Pethtel's MIAA background didn't have some contribution in the agreement to schedule the NPU/Hope series.  Obviously, Hope is not in the national-power tier, yet at the same time, again, I do not think (I know they didn't) they scheduled NPU because they thought it would be an easy win.  We never considered that beating NPU was a given.  It was actually a closer game than the final score indicated and had NPU had a couple of breaks, it could have easily gone the other way; those of you who were there can attest to all that.   

On a different subject:  everyone please keep OC_SID's mother (and, of course, himself) in your prayers as his mother is facing some current health issues.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 06, 2012, 11:18:39 PM
Albion hosts Wheaton this weekend in a pretty good test for the Britons.  They're also welcoming back their 1961 MIAA Championship team.

http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4934-albion-to-welcome-61-miaa-title-team-saturday
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 06, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Without (much) further comment, I agree with Gregory Sager and formerd3db's comments on the Hope-NPU game.
Without question the CCIW is a very good conference.....We have 2 more games left this year with members. Millikin this weekend, and IWU 2 weeks after that. We should be (heavy) underdogs in both games as we have never beat Millikin, and are 1-7 all-time with IWU (including losing the last 6 times), so have not earned anything more. We just need to stay focused, work hard, play with passion and continue to get better and hope to be competitive where we can.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Langhorst_Ghost on September 07, 2012, 12:00:03 PM
For any Trine fans out there...

Big non-conference test this Saturday for the 'Jays with Trine in town.  This Saturday (and every home game Saturday), you can find all the action at Langhorst on the official live video stream at http://www.bluejaytv.com/ - previous two seasons archived on YouTube as well.  For local cable viewers, the EC/Trine tilt will be broadcast multiple times via Comcast in the weeks to come.

Should be a great match-up!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on September 07, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: sac on September 06, 2012, 11:18:39 PM
Albion hosts Wheaton this weekend in a pretty good test for the Britons.  They're also welcoming back their 1961 MIAA Championship team.

http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/4934-albion-to-welcome-61-miaa-title-team-saturday

It's a big step up in competition for both teams from their week one matchups.  I am interested to see if Wheaton is crisper against Albion than they have been in the past.  In the past, Wheaton has had their opener in week 2 (against Albion) where Albion opened on week 1.  I'll be interested to see how Wheaton's D does against Clinton Orr.  It seems like he's been on Albions roster for like 7 years.  He's a good one and certainly was able to carve up Defiance pretty well.  Krauss is a veteran as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2012, 01:41:32 PM
"Other" college football in general this weekend:

I was watching the Pitt/Cincinnati game on ESPN last evening, in which Pitt got blasted.  Although Pitt is not very good this year, despite having huge linemen (offensive line avgerages 317 pounds), nonetheless, Cincinnati looked very good.  Pitt thinks they are beyond the Big East talent level in having made the decision to leave for the ACC next year, however, I think they will be in for a big surprise next year.  Of course, all teams go through these "down" or rebuilding years from time to time and Pitt will probably be competitive eventually in the ACC.

Anyway, it was interesting to find out that Youngstown State beat Pitt quite handily the week before (i.e. in college football week 1)-a big win for Youngstown.  Youngstown State is playing Valparaiso tomorrow.  I think it is neat that these type of matchups still occur on occasion in the non-conference portions.  Also, we've talked about the FCS non-scholarship teams, such as Valpo here before.  On occasion, they can hang with the lower tier FCS teams and sometimes beat them and/or pull an upset.  However, Valpo (which sometimes still plays an occasional DIII team), lost to DII St. Joseph (Indiana) last weekend.  I suspect they'll get beaten handily by Youngstown State, who beat them last year something like 56-10.  Does anyone recall Appalachian State/Michigan? :o ::) :D ;D :)  Probably won't happen for Valpo, however.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on September 07, 2012, 02:40:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 07, 2012, 01:41:32 PM
"Other" college football in general this weekend:

I was watching the Pitt/Cincinnati game on ESPN last evening, in which Pitt got blasted.  Although Pitt is not very good this year, despite having huge linemen (offensive line avgerages 317 pounds), nonetheless, Cincinnati looked very good.  Pitt thinks they are beyond the Big East talent level in having made the decision to leave for the ACC next year, however, I think they will be in for a big surprise next year.  Of course, all teams go through these "down" or rebuilding years from time to time and Pitt will probably be competitive eventually in the ACC.

Anyway, it was interesting to find out that Youngstown State beat Pitt quite handily the week before (i.e. in college football week 1)-a big win for Youngstown.  Youngstown State is playing Valparaiso tomorrow.  I think it is neat that these type of matchups still occur on occasion in the non-conference portions.  Also, we've talked about the FCS non-scholarship teams, such as Valpo here before.  On occasion, they can hang with the lower tier FCS teams and sometimes beat them and/or pull an upset.  However, Valpo (which sometimes still plays an occasional DIII team), lost to DII St. Joseph (Indiana) last weekend.  I suspect they'll get beaten handily by Youngstown State, who beat them last year something like 56-10.  Does anyone recall Appalachian State/Michigan? :o ::) :D ;D :)  Probably won't happen for Valpo, however.


I could only watch the Pitt game for about 10 min. brutal.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2012, 02:53:04 PM
Yes, newcard, it was.  Pitt seems to have returned to the pre-Johnny Majors/Tony Dorsett revitalization days (Majors actually got that started before Jackie Sherrill took over for him).

BTW, speaking of Pitt, do you and/or any others here remember the exciting time it was when that resurgance took place back in 1974?  Tony Dorsett was a freshman 155 lb. running back listed at the 6th string tailback spot.  He didn't even start the first couple of games his freshman year, however, wound up with over 1,000 yards that year (and every year thereafter).  As I recall, he got his chance his freshman year due to some injuries to a couple of the guys ahead of him on the depth chart.  Anyway, it is/was an amazing story. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 07, 2012, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: hopewatcher on September 06, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Without (much) further comment, I agree with Gregory Sager and formerd3db's comments on the Hope-NPU game.
Without question the CCIW is a very good conference.....We have 2 more games left this year with members. Millikin this weekend, and IWU 2 weeks after that. We should be (heavy) underdogs in both games as we have never beat Millikin,   

Correct me if I'm way out of line here, but Hope is maybe slightly better than North Park based on their win last weekend, but I would think that North Park is about even with Millikin. Therefore, according to some whacked-out formula that I just made up ( Hope > North Park = Millikin. Therefore Hope > Millikin.) I'm picking Hope to pick up their first win against Millikin. Science!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2012, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on September 07, 2012, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: hopewatcher on September 06, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Without (much) further comment, I agree with Gregory Sager and formerd3db's comments on the Hope-NPU game.
Without question the CCIW is a very good conference.....We have 2 more games left this year with members. Millikin this weekend, and IWU 2 weeks after that. We should be (heavy) underdogs in both games as we have never beat Millikin,   
Correct me if I'm way out of line here, but Hope is maybe slightly better than North Park based on their win last weekend, but I would think that North Park is about even with Millikin. Therefore, according to some whacked-out formula that I just made up ( Hope > North Park = Millikin. Therefore Hope > Millikin.) I'm picking Hope to pick up their first win against Millikin. Science!


Obviously, I hope Hope wins tomorrow. :)  Yet, using your logic/formula, which could easily be applied to last year's teams if you want to use it (even though Hope didn't play North Park last year), it didn't work that way.  Hope was beaten soundly by Milikin last year.  Anyway, I think a "just as legit" formula is that old cliche "...on any given Saturday"! :D ;) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 08, 2012, 04:10:04 PM
I thought about posting a few days ago that" If Albion plays tough against Wheaton, that
they could be the favorite to win the MIAA" Now with a win over Wheaton, that, IMHO is the case! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 08, 2012, 05:13:21 PM
Just got home from watching the Albion - Wheaton game.  In some sense, it was a game of quarters. Albion controlled the 1st qrtr and held a 9-0 lead.  The 2nd qrtr was all Thunder taking a 21-9 halftime lead.  Albion opened the 3rd with an 80-yard drive that took over 10 minutes.  The Wheaton pass defense seemed very soft.  The rest of the game both teams traded possessions until Albion intercepted a Thunder pass with 6 minutes remaining ... drove down and scored ... made the extra point and then held Wheaton.  Overall a good game.  The Brits clearly will contend for the MIAA crown.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan413 on September 08, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 08, 2012, 07:04:58 PM
Good game by Albion. Watched them play Defiance and they were great big win for them today. Good game brewing at Adrian where they are up 9-7 over Defiance at The half. There is a nice video feed at www.defianceathletics.com if you want to watch
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2012, 08:18:26 PM
Regardless of the close score for Albion against Wheaton, it is a big win for them.  I agree with you guys that they are probably the front-runner right now, although obviously it is still very early and we all know how somewhat upredictable some of the actual games against MIAA competition can be for all the league's teams.

Hope losing to Milikin today is disappointing, although I can't say I'm overly surprised in one sense.  We seem to have trouble focusing in those long distance "away" games, yet admittedly, I do not know the particulars of today's game.  I see where Alma got smashed again.  It might be a long season for them, although I'm not quite sure why/what's going on with them right now.

Wow, Kazoo beats Manchester and is now 2-0.  Trine loses to Elmhurst, Olivet gets blasted by Wisconsin-Lutheran and it appears that Adrian might hold off Defiance right now, although still some time left to go in that one, I believe.

Anyway, as for us (me), Hope needs to rebound and be focused next week when we travel back "Illinois way" i.e. to Chicago and Concordia.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 09, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
Well let me expand on almas early struggles.

Defensively they are EXREMELY young and not very good at the moment. As simple as that.

Offensively. If you had not found out yet, alma is running a variation of the wing t, triple option, and old school Chicago bears t formation on offense. In this offense you have a bigger tailback/fullback, two tight ends (or two split ends, or 1 and 1) along with two wing backs. Ideally in almas offense the wingbacks are going to be running backs that can catch. Right now though, with the personnel that is at alma players like michael lenneman, Nate wade, etc. Are playing in this "wingback" position. Without having the ideal guys to fit the system right now, a team like alma has to do all the "little" things right, and not give the ball away.

Which comes to problem number two. Jarrett leister is a pro style quarterback who benefits from extremely talented receivers and backs around him. Hence his success at mt pleasant in high school. He did okay in the spread but his mind has been appearingly "warped", we'll say, into the spread mentality. He forces balls too often and need utilizes a check down. Iwu for instance. Alma is at the Wesleyan 3 going in to take the lead. Leister has a flat receiver open (probably not a td but hey, live to play another play) but instead forces a pass into the end zone and gets picked. No idea what he saw. After watching film I still can't. Iwu ball on their 20. One run, a three yard hitch, three missed tackles later, it's a 75 yard Wesleyan td pass.

Fast forward into the start of the second half. 14-10 iwu I believe. Iwu goes 3 n out and picks up negative yardage in the opening drive. Alma gets the ball on their own fourty. Again leister has the flat wide open but forces it downfield and is picked. Iwu scores again. Next kickoff. Lenneman fumbled. First play is an iwu td. Those are the little things alma can't do if they expect to win games this year. Until they can figure those things out, they will continue to struggle.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2012, 12:08:21 AM
sflzman,

Probably not a good game to use for examples!  I was shocked that it was only 10-7 at the half (not 14-10, since you never did reach 10); IWU's second half is what I had fully expected to see in Alma last year!  You awakened a somnolent overly comfortable team with the scare last year (I really think that scare may have helped propel IWU into the playoffs); I'm amazed you held that well in the first half.  Part of me would like the series to continue since I can see the games in Alma, but I'm not sure what exactly this series really does to benefit either team.  The programs are (currently, at least) just too far apart.

Why, it's kinda like Albion taking on Wheaton!  OOPS!! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 10, 2012, 10:16:24 AM
Which MIAA team will have the biggest challenge this coming weekend? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 10, 2012, 12:19:19 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 10, 2012, 10:16:24 AM
Which MIAA team will have the biggest challenge this coming weekend? :-\

Just a guess but probably Hope with Concordia.
Next week is the MIAA/NathCon Challenge weekend.  It should be quite the pillow fight.

Olivet @ Rockford
Hope @ Concordia, Ill
Alma @ Aurora
Adrian @ Wisconsin Lutheran
Trine @ Concordia, Wi
Kalamazoo @ Lakeland
Albion @ Benedictine

Wisc-Luth, Concordia, Ill are 2-0, Benedictine is 1-1 everyone else is winless from the NathCon. 


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1515 on September 10, 2012, 12:42:51 PM
Hey MIAA, I am a BU fan just wondering if anyone can give me some insight on Albion?  Obviously a good team with a BIG Win over Wheaton, but can anyone give me more specific details as to what they do offensively and defensively! Thanks in advance and have a safe trip up to Lisle!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 10, 2012, 12:58:49 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 10, 2012, 10:16:24 AM
Which MIAA team will have the biggest challenge this coming weekend? :-\

(This is coming from a follower of a NAC team and, by association, the conference as a whole but living in MIAA land and following its teams as well . . .)

This is my list of games in order from most likely win for MIAA team descending to most difficult MIAA win.
(This is a relative scale. I frankly think the MIAA should be favored to win each game in the Challenge.)

1. Albion - Benedictine. This is the whole issue with the NAC -  similar to the problem the Big 10 faces in bowl season. They don't have a truly great, ligit power team. If you did, everyone in the weaker conference (the Big 10/NAC) would "slide down one" to play the next strongest team and have a somewhat better chance of a better showing in this type of set-up. But not in this game.

2. Trine - CUW. Maybe I should heed the warning of a poster on the CCIW board about Trine's former dominance owing to one strong recruiting class a few years ago, but I'm still drinking the Kool-aid and thinking they're one of the top two or three teams in the MIAA and CUW has yet to prove that they can win a non-conference game much less being back to where they once were five or six years ago.

3. Hope - CUC. I'm not convinced about CUC's defense in a matchup like this. Actually, I have a whole essay about my feelings about this matchup that I will not bore you with.

4. Olivet - Rockford. Wait for it  . .  wait for it . . .    "But Olivet's terrible!" Rockford's worse.

5. Adrian - WLC. I think that this game will be alot like CUC's game against Adrian last year: Adrian dominates physically but WLC hangs around. I wouldn't be surprised if WLC pulls it out, especially at home.

6. Kalamazoo - Lakeland. I know nothing about these two teams except their "history". K'zoo has not been strong whereas Lakeland used to be really, really good. But K'zoo does have two nice wins so far this year, so . . . (I'm guess I'm basing my prediction as though it's 10 years ago.)

7. Alma - Aurora. I'm just basing this on Alma's getting blown out (albiet against two quality teams) and thinking that Aurora is probably one of the top three or four teams in the NAC.

Actual number of NAC wins prediction: 1
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on September 10, 2012, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: d3fan1515 on September 10, 2012, 12:42:51 PM
Hey MIAA, I am a BU fan just wondering if anyone can give me some insight on Albion?  Obviously a good team with a BIG Win over Wheaton, but can anyone give me more specific details as to what they do offensively and defensively! Thanks in advance and have a safe trip up to Lisle!

Albion runs their offense out of the pistol on nearly all plays. Their pistol formations go from a 3 wide, 1 TB, 1 TE look to a 1 wide, 2 TB, 2 TE look. Expect Albion to run 60+% of the time with running backs Clinton Orr and Darrin Williams. (Albion seems to be resting the star, Orr, a little bit during the non-con season, so expect to see plenty of Williams.) Albion employs both zone and gap blocking with their running game. Albion also likes to run screens and swing passes to their running backs. Albion likes to use the run to set up a strong vertical passing game, both utilizing play action, and not. Senior WR Brian Spencer is quick and has good hands and is a threat to catch a 40+ yard pass on any play.

Defensively Albion runs a 4-2-5 set. They will blitz, but won't generally be overly aggressive. Albion usually won't give up much ground straight up the gut, and while their ends are strong pass rushers, they're liable to lose contain and allow a QB scramble or even a stretch play to go 10-15 yards. Their secondary is solid, although starting CB Chris Jakubik is very undersized, and a bigger receiver can take advantage of that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1515 on September 10, 2012, 02:12:47 PM
Great, thank you for the info...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 10, 2012, 09:01:27 PM
EMU's mascot has been talked about on here before, the school has reintroduced it.......sort of.  Guess they're trying to make things 'normal' again.   (ps if you get the 'normal' give yourself a cookie)

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120907/SCHOOLS/209070376
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2012, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: sac on September 10, 2012, 09:01:27 PM
EMU's mascot has been talked about on here before, the school has reintroduced it.......sort of.  Guess they're trying to make things 'normal' again.   (ps if you get the 'normal' give yourself a cookie)

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120907/SCHOOLS/209070376

Naturally, I had no trouble getting the 'normal'. ;)

As for the cookie, where's April when ya need her?! 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 11, 2012, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: sac on September 10, 2012, 09:01:27 PM
EMU's mascot has been talked about on here before, the school has reintroduced it.......sort of.  Guess they're trying to make things 'normal' again.   (ps if you get the 'normal' give yourself a cookie)

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120907/SCHOOLS/209070376

That was an easy cookie :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 12, 2012, 05:41:22 PM
Hi MIAA,    This weeks spreads.
#211 Olivet wins by 12
#112 Hope Loses by 5
#173 Alma Loses by 6
#97 Adrian Wins by 1
#88 Trine Wins by 14
#126 Kalamazoo Wins by 1
#47 Albion Wins by 29
Fun Facts, All 7 teams playing against MIAA Teams are over 50 pt underdogs to UW #3WW,#11Oshkosh,#20Plattville, #37LaCrosse, #28Stout
#1 offense in D3 Football UW Oshkosh  #1 defense in D3 football Mount Union
UW Whitewater falls to # 3 Behind #1Mount Union and#2 Wesley.
Also Congrats to Albion who moved up 27 spots to #47 in our rankings and a clear leader in the MIAA!!!! They are moving quickly towards the top of D3!
MIAA team to drop the greatest in our rankings is #88Trine after 2 weak games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 08:26:25 AM
wisd3fan2 when are you going to bash oshkosh for not starting your boy
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 13, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
Hey Thunderstorm, They are starting my boy. Nate Warra is a 4 year starting senior. Preseason all American. I assume your talking about Rauch. I don't follow UW Oshkosh very closely but I do know that they play a form of the triple option which is an offense that I'm sure they have taylored around Nates abilities. I would also have to add that if Rauch felt like he would go into Oshkosh 15,000 students and get the start he would be dreaming. (which I'm sure he didn't) Oshkosh cuts over 50 tryouts a year. I follow all the QB's in the WIAC and would not put Rauch at the top of the list. He did become a big interest to many in Wisconsin because he chose to attend Trine University instead of all the D1,D2,and WIAC teams that recruited him. (We think he liked and could learn a lot from Coach Simrel)
Wara is a very popular QB here much like Blanchard who is really my boy. ( Who the Bears cut the other day... sad) All I have heard about Rauch this year is that he threw a bunch of bombs against Dubuque a few weeks ago. He must be a big asset for Oshkosh but I'm sure you won't be seeing him start this year. I don't bash teams, I speak facts which many don't like to hear.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
you dont speak facts though you speak your opinion, and that is a fact
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2012, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
you dont speak facts though you speak your opinion, and that is a fact
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on September 13, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
Hey Thunderstorm, They are starting my boy. Nate Warra is a 4 year starting senior. Preseason all American. I assume your talking about Rauch. I don't follow UW Oshkosh very closely but I do know that they play a form of the triple option which is an offense that I'm sure they have taylored around Nates abilities. I would also have to add that if Rauch felt like he would go into Oshkosh 15,000 students and get the start he would be dreaming. (which I'm sure he didn't) Oshkosh cuts over 50 tryouts a year. I follow all the QB's in the WIAC and would not put Rauch at the top of the list. He did become a big interest to many in Wisconsin because he chose to attend Trine University instead of all the D1,D2,and WIAC teams that recruited him. (We think he liked and could learn a lot from Coach Simrel)
Wara is a very popular QB here much like Blanchard who is really my boy. ( Who the Bears cut the other day... sad) All I have heard about Rauch this year is that he threw a bunch of bombs against Dubuque a few weeks ago. He must be a big asset for Oshkosh but I'm sure you won't be seeing him start this year. I don't bash teams, I speak facts which many don't like to hear.

ThunderStorm_3peat:

With all due respect, I seriously doubt that wisd3fan2 would post blatent untruths on here.  While everyone is entitled to their opinions, including you, he and myself, if you have information that refutes/proves otherwise what wisd3fan2 has posted, then you need to share that here as opposed to simply alleging that someone isn't reporting "facts"...because you were the one who brought up the question/topic in the first place.  That's the way we operate our MIAA board here, even when all of us have differing opinions. ;) Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MasterJedi on September 13, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 13, 2012, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
you dont speak facts though you speak your opinion, and that is a fact
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on September 13, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
Hey Thunderstorm, They are starting my boy. Nate Warra is a 4 year starting senior. Preseason all American. I assume your talking about Rauch. I don't follow UW Oshkosh very closely but I do know that they play a form of the triple option which is an offense that I'm sure they have taylored around Nates abilities. I would also have to add that if Rauch felt like he would go into Oshkosh 15,000 students and get the start he would be dreaming. (which I'm sure he didn't) Oshkosh cuts over 50 tryouts a year. I follow all the QB's in the WIAC and would not put Rauch at the top of the list. He did become a big interest to many in Wisconsin because he chose to attend Trine University instead of all the D1,D2,and WIAC teams that recruited him. (We think he liked and could learn a lot from Coach Simrel)
Wara is a very popular QB here much like Blanchard who is really my boy. ( Who the Bears cut the other day... sad) All I have heard about Rauch this year is that he threw a bunch of bombs against Dubuque a few weeks ago. He must be a big asset for Oshkosh but I'm sure you won't be seeing him start this year. I don't bash teams, I speak facts which many don't like to hear.

ThunderStorm_3peat:

With all due respect, I seriously doubt that wisd3fan2 would post blatent untruths on here.  While everyone is entitled to their opinions, including you, he and myself, if you have information that refutes/proves otherwise what wisd3fan2 has posted, then you need to share that here as opposed to simply alleging that someone isn't reporting "facts"...because you were the one who brought up the question/topic in the first place.  That's the way we operate our MIAA board here, even when all of us have differing opinions. ;) Thanks. :)

Last year he said a D2 High School team would have no problem beating UWW and other similarly outrageous stuff. That's why he has negative karma, when he said all of this and everyone said they were bad opinions and not facts like he claimed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 13, 2012, 04:31:42 PM
Let me agree to agree. I speak opinion based on facts. By your name I see that your a Trine fan and I feel your a bit frustrated. Let me say that with coaches like Coach Land and Coach Simrel, Trine will come back to be a great team again. Because they are not just good coaches but great coaches. A lot of folks felt that Trine got so good because of Watt. However when you look deeper you can see that the success was that Watt was so well coached. He was not that good of a passer or a runner but he was very very smart. Great scrambler! Coached to limit mistakes and turnovers. And let me also say that the smartest players on the field have to be your lineman, not your skill positions and Trine has lost many or all of the lineman from those successful years. It takes time to rebuild. We started watching Trine because of our boy Rauch went there, but than we became so impressed with the team. Trine is such a small school but yet became such a powerhouse team. I bet dollars to dounuts that they will become great again!
As far as statements about Rauch, he is a pro style QB, a pocket QB. Trine saw a lot of success by getting Watt outside of the D end. That would be like telling Aaron Rodgers to throw from the flat. Rauch probably felt like he was on Mars. RG3 would have no problem with it. QB and Offense was a bad match. This is I'm sure their starting QB's challenge as well. (Don't remember his name)
When you do decide to go outside you risk holding calls, blocks in the back,QB fumbles, ETC. I think that is what Trine is working their way thru now. They just need some time!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
formerd3db go back and read some of his post you have got to be kidding me.  as for wisd3fan2 I really don't know where to start I just don't see how you can say some of the things you say I mean read what you just wrote in your first paragraph how does half of that make any sense I feel the need to quote or better paraphrase the Principal from the movie Billy Madison "Mr. wisd3fan2, what you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this board is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 04:53:17 PM
also good point MasterJedi
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 13, 2012, 04:53:43 PM
I do not want to prolong this conversation, I don't think anyone cares. However my statement last year was about a high school team in wisconsin that is D2 but has been the #1 team in the state for many many years. I beleive they have been 5 years without a loss. Waunakee
They destroy every high school team they play. Many games like 70 to 0. My statement was that Waunakee vs. Whitewater would be a bloodbath. I was talking about their 2010 team. They averaged 292 across their o-line, had great speed, and are coached by the best coach i know personally. I never said they would win, I just stated that it would be a war!!!!   and I stand by what i said. I know Coach Liepold of UWW pretty well and he would agree that 2010 Waunakee was the best High School Team he has ever seen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
Thunderstrom and MasterJedi:

No, it"s the other way around - you guys have to be kidding me.  You are missing the entire point here.  I don't care whether you disagree with his opinions regarding possibilities and/or how this team and players are this or that.  We all have differing opinions many times regarding these topics AND it is absolutely inappropriate for anyone to throw negative karma at someone just because you disagree with that person's opinions.  If someone "crosses the line" and inappropriately posts some personal attack or gets nasty, inappropriate language, etc., on someone, that is one thing.  It is entirely another to do otherwise just because you don't like that person's opinion.

However, if someone makes a mis-statement about some stat or something i.e. makes a statement that is simply not true, it is certainly appropriate to call them out on that and present your own information refuting that if it will prove otherwise that the original infor mation was wrong and thus, share that with the readership here.  Otherwise, you guys are getting in a "p****** match" and, while you are welcome here to post with us, we don't need the former here on our board - take it to your own. Thanks.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 07:58:22 PM
""Trine Football caught my interest last year after seeing the good game they played against UW Whitewater and the fact that one of our best high school QB's had decided to attend there. I posted and found myself arguing with Thunderhead about the QB he liked and our guy from Wi. Now that the season is over, I see how silly that arguement was. Both of these guys probably figured out the situation with-in days of arriving. In stead of being mentored they were most likely given the plays and thrown out to the lions. This shows them that they chose to play for very lazy coaching. Can you imagine the Badgers treating Wilson in this fashion?? I have not posted much since but have been reading your board. I now see that thunderhead is a very smart guy that really knows his stuff.
I read his posts and saw how critical he was about the coaching staff at Trine and now see that his statements were under statements. In my opinion this coaching staff walked in on a great bunch of players in the class of 2010 and took the credit for their success.
I read posters saying that the players on the sidelines were not cheering for the players on the field. This alone shows the failure of the coaching staff. Moral is one of the primary jobs of a coaching staff and after seeing one of their games was shocked, for this is what we noticed too.
People on this board need to listen to Thunderhead for he tells it as it is, even when  it is painful.
The class of 2010 not only won championships but created a strong recruiting envirnment. I think that the coaching staff not only lost games with probably the best team but also destroyed that edge in recruiting.
I think that the defensive coaches did ok, being very stiff especially in the red zone all year. However the offensive coordinator, O-line coach, and QB coaches are very bad. The calls often times made us laugh. They play like teams of the '50's and '60's. Its 2011!!!
The players were the bright spot, I think they did real well despite poor coaching.
We also feel that the best coach on the team was Ryan Hargraves. This kid did a great job this year. We thought he played scared but now feel that it is not the opponent he feared but was his own coaches.
D3 football is so pure because the players play for the love of the game, however it is very evident that this coaching staff steals that love, shooting themselves in the foot. Changes need to be made!
One  another note, the MIAA champs scored only 3 points against an average WIAC team this year.
Congrats to Albion but play-offs will be a very steep slope.
JUST MY OPINION!!!!
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« on: October 02, 2011, 05:01:06 pm »
Hi There MIAA
I was not going to post until the end of the season but I think i will post now. All 5 of us QB's gave up the Wis vs Neb game to drive down to Trine Sat. Alverez had great box seats for us:((( We won't be doing that again! I'm not going to pound on Hargraves because I think Thunderhead did that just fine. I also know that many of you will not like to hear what we thought of the game. You think we are bias and you want your home boys to be the stars. However this is our opinion.
7 picks, three luckily dropped, two fumbles, recievers open all over the field and we sit and watch Rauch on the side lines. WHAT??? Rauch is one of Wisconsins top QB,s. This kid is cool as a stone. POISED. Huge arm. Two losses during his high school career. Two undefeated regular seasons as a varsity QB, Two conference champs as a varsity QB. Played in Wi toughest conf!!
Black Belt, Eagle Scout, One of States top ranked Snow Skiers and I could go on and on and on.
He would have blown that team out. Rauch does not loose!
We tryed to talk to him after the game but he had many Wisconsin fans and family around him and we did not want to be rude. (not that he would have told us anything anyways) I have to say that he looked a little upset with the loss but still came off cool and collected. We have no idea what in the world that coaching staff is doing. We are all QB's not coaches. (3 in the NFL) It seems like they are trying to break this kid down and trust me that will not happen. The tougher the team, the colder, the muddier, snow, wind, the better he plays.
We all hope that both Trine and Rauch get it together and get him winning games. And we hope that the offensive coaches really start working with him. The offensive coaching looked real bad!
We were shocked at what we saw. We know you are rebuilding but you have a solid D1 QB on your bench. One other point, Blackport would have done no better than Hargraves did, probably worse. The kid has not played in 3 years. We watched him very close during warm-ups and he looks untrained and all over the place.(mechanics)
I do not post this for debate, it is merely our opinion, what ever thats worth.
If Rauch reads this which I'm sure he won't, we are all behind you. Keep up your hard work. Work every day to get better. Your poise in the pocket is what makes NFL QB,s. You and only you control your destiny!!!!!!!! Wisconsin is proud of Rauch!""



there you go Formerd3db

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
and then he has this gem " A lot of folks felt that Trine got so good because of Watt. However when you look deeper you can see that the success was that Watt was so well coached. He was not that good of a passer or a runner but he was very very smart. Great scrambler! Coached to limit mistakes and turnovers. And let me also say that the smartest players on the field have to be your lineman, not your skill positions and Trine has lost many or all of the lineman from those successful years"

you kidding ME
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2012, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
and then he has this gem " A lot of folks felt that Trine got so good because of Watt. However when you look deeper you can see that the success was that Watt was so well coached. He was not that good of a passer or a runner but he was very very smart. Great scrambler! Coached to limit mistakes and turnovers. And let me also say that the smartest players on the field have to be your lineman, not your skill positions and Trine has lost many or all of the lineman from those successful years"

you kidding ME

You just made/proved my point.  All the above is his opinion; and BTW, some of it is true. ;) (I'll leave you to spend your time figuring that out. :o :) Time to move on from this topic, friend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
haha wow, the wooshing sound you hear thats the sound of this going over your head
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 13, 2012, 10:14:02 PM
Hardly.....this seems to be a personal deal between the two of you (or you with him)....take it to another board or PM and settle it.......or better yet let it go....his comments were almost a year ago...here we'd just like to focus on the topics at hand......for fun....and entertainment.....with a little non-personal light banter thrown in......
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 13, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
Sorry I haven't posted sooner on the Hope-Millikin game....I'm just getting to the point that I can talk about it  >:( :P :'(....I was there and actually little analysis is needed.....Hope didn't execute or play with passion in any phase of the game......got down 49-6....and although Hope did score the last 2 touchdowns of the game, it was long after it was over.......Millikin is pretty good, but it should have been a more competitive game than it was....I had high hopes for the season...and its way too early to set those aside, but the first two games were too much like a pattern of behavior from last year....it entirely depends on which Hope Team shows up as to whether the game will be competitive or not. Hopefully, the boys learned a lesson last week and will play with far more emotion and execute the way they are capable of.......injuries have been a bit of an issue, but they are putting a good team on the field and should be able to play over that......Regardless, we gotta get this fixed before the MIAA schedule begins.....We'll see what happens this Saturday.
Go Hope!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 13, 2012, 11:21:21 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1029311/index.htm
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 13, 2012, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
haha wow, the wooshing sound you hear thats the sound of this going over your head

Not to try to step in and fight formers fights because I know for a fact he can fight them himself. But as a fellow poster, as this is a person I respect a lot inside and outside of this board I feel the need to voice my opinion.

Do you not realize how incredibly stupid and ignorant you're sounding? Going over HIS head? Take a step back and re read everything that he has posted. You're ridiculously blinded by your own anger for whatever the reason is and you're not even making sense of this. Don't come on here and start bashing a WIAC poster just because his qb decided he was better than trine and don't sit and bash former because you are failing to comprehend the conversation that is going on here. Wake up. Step back. Cool your jets. And admit that you're in the wrong here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 13, 2012, 11:25:24 PM
http://tweetmeme.com/story/639765548/wonderlic-wonders-are-offensive-linemen-indeed-the-smartest-players-at-the-combine-espn
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2012, 11:39:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 19, 2012, 09:23:07 PM
To formerd3db, newcardfan, and anyone else intending to meet up with me in Holland in September:

While IWU@Hope is definitely on my calendar, it is looking more and more likely I will be out west on that date.

Not a done deal (either way), but just a heads up.  I'd love to be there (and might still be), but family comes first, and (alas) I am the ONLY d3 fan in the family. :P

It is now definite: I will be in the Black Hills of South Dakota on the 23rd of September.  I HATE missing an IWU game in Michigan, but it was the only vacation we could squeeze into a hectic summer/fall schedule.  (I usually spend at least a month at Bruin Lake in my RV; it will never leave the garage this year! :P)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 11:54:13 PM
sflzman whoa now buddy I think you need to do the rereading Did i miss the private club thing on here or something my bad jeez and i know what former is trying to say bud
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hopewatcher on September 14, 2012, 12:21:27 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2012, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
haha wow, the wooshing sound you hear thats the sound of this going over your head

Not to try to step in and fight formers fights because I know for a fact he can fight them himself. But as a fellow poster, as this is a person I respect a lot inside and outside of this board I feel the need to voice my opinion.

Do you not realize how incredibly stupid and ignorant you're sounding? Going over HIS head? Take a step back and re read everything that he has posted. You're ridiculously blinded by your own anger for whatever the reason is and you're not even making sense of this. Don't come on here and start bashing a WIAC poster just because his qb decided he was better than trine and don't sit and bash former because you are failing to comprehend the conversation that is going on here. Wake up. Step back. Cool your jets. And admit that you're in the wrong here.

I could not agree more! +k (if I could)  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 14, 2012, 09:12:42 AM
Quote from: hopewatcher on September 14, 2012, 12:21:27 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2012, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 13, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
haha wow, the wooshing sound you hear thats the sound of this going over your head

Not to try to step in and fight formers fights because I know for a fact he can fight them himself. But as a fellow poster, as this is a person I respect a lot inside and outside of this board I feel the need to voice my opinion.

Do you not realize how incredibly stupid and ignorant you're sounding? Going over HIS head? Take a step back and re read everything that he has posted. You're ridiculously blinded by your own anger for whatever the reason is and you're not even making sense of this. Don't come on here and start bashing a WIAC poster just because his qb decided he was better than trine and don't sit and bash former because you are failing to comprehend the conversation that is going on here. Wake up. Step back. Cool your jets. And admit that you're in the wrong here.

I could not agree more! +k (if I could)  ;D

Amen brother!!

ThunderStorm_3peat and wisd3fan - both of you need to simply LET IT GO!!! 

How about we have some discussion of everyones thoughts about the games tomorrow?  Looks like perfect football weather.  Wish I was making the trip to CUC to watch the Dutchmen, but other commitments are preventing that.  Guess I'll have to rely on some eyewitness accounts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 14, 2012, 09:31:22 AM
Big loss for the Flying Dutch.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/feature/x764813980/Hope-College-football-loses-RB-KR-Fluarry-Jackson-for-season
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on September 14, 2012, 04:42:58 PM
A couple more tough personnel losses as well for tomorrow.....at least they are not season ending like Jackson's (Tough break for a senior, but I believe he can medical redshirt this year still if he chooses).  I think the cut off is 3 games???

So it's a good chance for other's to step up and rise to the occasion!


http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2012/09/injuries_are_hitting_hope_coll.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2012, 05:57:08 PM
The ugly results, one to go tonight

Rockford, Ill. 28, Olivet 12
Concordia, Ill. 63, Hope 47
Aurora, Ill., 24, Alma 21
Adrian 31, Wisconsin Lutheran 23
Concordia, Wis. 13, Trine 10
Kalamazoo 31, Lakeland, Wis. 24
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2012, 11:58:13 PM
Benedictine, Ill. 32, Albion 28

w/some esplainin' from a regular poster

Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 15, 2012, 11:41:21 PM

Albion's starting QB got knocked out of the game. The Britons went through two backups, both freshmen, who were in waaaay over their heads. The first one muffed a shotgun snap at his goal line and had to fall on the ball in the end zone for a safety. Borsellino ran back the ensuing free kick for a TD. Thus, a 28-23 Albion lead in the fourth quarter became a 32-28 Benedictine win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 16, 2012, 12:59:20 AM
Well we got 4 out of 7 predictions right. Albion lost their Qb so that explains that wrong prediction.
Your second Qb should be getting more reps in practice than your starter unless your starter is young. Not giving your second Qb enough reps is old school. Huge coaching error. Its 2012, All teams need 2 QB's ready to start. If your a second Qb and are not getting at least half the reps get out of that school FAST!! Killed Albion! Rockford is dead last in our D3 rankings so enough said about the Olivet game! The Trine game is where we were just dead wrong. Concordia Wi is ranked 203rd in our rankings. I'm shocked about how far Trine has fallen. Their Offense has lost all their fire. They have a lot of work to do there!!                    UWW loses, WHAT???????? The polls have them at #1 and we knew that was wrong but not that wrong!! Anyone see Mich State, WHAT????? And then theres the Wisconsin Badgers, Totally SHOCKING!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2012, 07:03:15 PM
I listed to part of the Trine game on line.  Ouch.  Don't know what else to say.  I have not been able to see them play yet this year, and my inside sources are no longer inside.  140 yards total offense.  Hope that the coaches and players can step it up a notch or two or three for the start of conference play.  If these games serve as a learning experience going in to the MIAA then at least some good will have come from it.   It appears that statistically at least the defense has not done too bad, but need some adjustments on offense.   GO THUNDER!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
Ouch. :o ::) :-[  Me thinks we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 16, 2012, 08:04:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 16, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
Ouch. :o ::) :-[  Me thinks we are in trouble.

Does not look good for the MIAA!!  I thought every one of those games was winnable, and am especially shocked by Albion's loss: Benedictine was absolutely eviscerated by the Wheaton team that Albion beat last week (albeit with Wheaton's gb and best WR [and at least two other starters] sidelined).  Albion over Wheaton is shaping up as the second biggest upset (next to Buff State over UWW) in d3 three this year (pending future records, of couse).

If Albion is that hopeless without their starting qb, does anyone know his status going forward?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 16, 2012, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 16, 2012, 08:04:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 16, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
Ouch. :o ::) :-[  Me thinks we are in trouble.

Does not look good for the MIAA!!  I thought every one of those games was winnable, and am especially shocked by Albion's loss: Benedictine was absolutely eviscerated by the Wheaton team that Albion beat last week (albeit with Wheaton's gb and best WR [and at least two other starters] sidelined).  Albion over Wheaton is shaping up as the second biggest upset (next to Buff State over UWW) in d3 three this year (pending future records, of couse).

If Albion is that hopeless without their starting qb, does anyone know his status going forward?

Mr. Ypsi, formerd3db,

After last week, the MIAA title race is up for grabs, IMHO. The good news that there is so much to play yet this season. The conference champ may not be decided until the last week or two. For the fans, that is exciting. For the teams, not so much, we'll see! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on September 16, 2012, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2012, 11:39:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 19, 2012, 09:23:07 PM
To formerd3db, newcardfan, and anyone else intending to meet up with me in Holland in September:

While IWU@Hope is definitely on my calendar, it is looking more and more likely I will be out west on that date.

Not a done deal (either way), but just a heads up.  I'd love to be there (and might still be), but family comes first, and (alas) I am the ONLY d3 fan in the family. :P

It is now definite: I will be in the Black Hills of South Dakota on the 23rd of September.  I HATE missing an IWU game in Michigan, but it was the only vacation we could squeeze into a hectic summer/fall schedule.  (I usually spend at least a month at Bruin Lake in my RV; it will never leave the garage this year! :P)
You could drive it down to Naperville for homecoming:)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 16, 2012, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 16, 2012, 08:04:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 16, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
Ouch. :o ::) :-[  Me thinks we are in trouble.

Does not look good for the MIAA!!  I thought every one of those games was winnable, and am especially shocked by Albion's loss: Benedictine was absolutely eviscerated by the Wheaton team that Albion beat last week (albeit with Wheaton's gb and best WR [and at least two other starters] sidelined).  Albion over Wheaton is shaping up as the second biggest upset (next to Buff State over UWW) in d3 three this year (pending future records, of couse).

If Albion is that hopeless without their starting qb, does anyone know his status going forward?

Two weeks ago, I wouldn't have given the Central College Dutch a chance in Albion.  Now it may be a different story.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 16, 2012, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 16, 2012, 08:04:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 16, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
Ouch. :o ::) :-[  Me thinks we are in trouble.

Does not look good for the MIAA!!  I thought every one of those games was winnable, and am especially shocked by Albion's loss: Benedictine was absolutely eviscerated by the Wheaton team that Albion beat last week (albeit with Wheaton's gb and best WR [and at least two other starters] sidelined).  Albion over Wheaton is shaping up as the second biggest upset (next to Buff State over UWW) in d3 three this year (pending future records, of couse).

I am frankly shocked by the results of the weekend. However I want to see how things go next year in the challenge when it's the NAC teams' turn to travel around the lake.

Most games seemed pretty competitive and could have gone either way. The biggest surprises for me on the MIAA side:
1) Albion coughed up a 21 point lead.
2) Trine could only muster 10 points.
3) Hope gave up 63. (But CUC needed all those points as their defense was giving yardage up to the Dutch by the mile.)
4) Alma and Olivet have just crashed from four or five years ago.

My intentions here are not to be critical, but what has happened to the MIAA recently? In my mind they are and have historically been a pretty decent conference in football with most of the teams consistently bringing in to their programs all-conference and all-state type players from around the state of Michigan. Now it seems as though each program has their "day in the sun" for a couple years but then fade. Olivet won the conference with a one loss season, what, four or five years ago? Trine was being considered as a national power just two or three years ago. Alma's Scotgun was putting up points like a basketball team. Hope always seemed to get the pick of outstanding athletes in the west Michigan area. Or is this just a "dip in the cycle" that most conferences go through? Or did most of the MIAA teams just have a monumental streak of bad luck on Saturday (which happens.)

I welcome your input.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 17, 2012, 10:29:56 AM
Trine has got to find a way to get the ball into Hence's (#2) hands more than 5 times a game he needs around 15 to 20 touches a game 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 17, 2012, 11:20:55 PM
Shocking weekend all over the place not just MIAA. We have been entering data for 2 long days.
I'm sure most have seen the new coaches poll, this is how our new ratings came out.
D3
1.Mount Union
2.Mary Hardin-Baylor
3.St. John Fisher
4.Wesley
5.Linfield
6.St Thomas
7.UW Whitewater
8.UW Oshkosh
9.UW Platteville
10.North Central
MIAA
1. Albion
2. Arian
3. Kalamazoo
4. Trine
5. Hope
6. Alma
7. Olivet
Looking at my Karma I see that many don't like me. However I have had 28 massages from MIAA  fans asking about this weeks rankings. Thanks to all 28 of you. We just got them out. Crazy weekend all over the country!!! GO MIAA!! I might not be liked but I love your teams and your board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 18, 2012, 09:17:18 AM
Quote from: wisd3fan2 on September 17, 2012, 11:20:55 PM
Shocking weekend all over the place not just MIAA. We have been entering data for 2 long days.
I'm sure most have seen the new coaches poll, this is how our new ratings came out.
D3
1.Mount Union
2.Mary Hardin-Baylor
3.St. John Fisher
4.Wesley
5.Linfield
6.St Thomas
7.UW Whitewater
8.UW Oshkosh
9.UW Platteville
10.North Central
MIAA
1. Albion
2. Arian
3. Kalamazoo
4. Trine
5. Hope
6. Alma
7. Olivet
Looking at my Karma I see that many don't like me. However I have had 28 massages from MIAA  fans asking about this weeks rankings. Thanks to all 28 of you. We just got them out. Crazy weekend all over the country!!! GO MIAA!! I might not be liked but I love your teams and your board!

Yikes - sure hope those were messages, or this board is headed in the wrong direction  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 18, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
Had to share...
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F1195125%2FSCARY-MARINE.gif&hash=5eefb758b50aebeaa992e2886406a77cb58189fa)

I wish we had marines protecting us from taunting every weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 18, 2012, 04:01:38 PM
Sorry MIAA fans, Thought you just wanted D3.

FBS
1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Stanford
4. Florida
5. Oregon
6. Notre Dame
7. Georgia
8. Southern Cal
9. West Virginia
10. Ohio State

In case you were wondering, we have Michigan#13 and Mich State#16. I work D3 and have not seen the Coaches Poll. On a personal sad note Wisconsin was knocked out of the top 25.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 18, 2012, 04:09:28 PM
Hiya Flying Dutch, Sorry if I'm slow but i don't understand what you mean. ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 18, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
Had to share...
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F1195125%2FSCARY-MARINE.gif&hash=5eefb758b50aebeaa992e2886406a77cb58189fa)

I wish we had marines protecting us from taunting every weekend.

Beautiful. And well-played, sac.

Quote from: wisd3fan2 on September 18, 2012, 04:09:28 PM
Hiya Flying Dutch, Sorry if I'm slow but i don't understand what you mean. ???

Read your original post again ... very slowly and very carefully. Pay particular attention to the words that you bolded and put in 12-point type. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 18, 2012, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 17, 2012, 10:29:56 AM
Trine has got to find a way to get the ball into Hence's (#2) hands more than 5 times a game he needs around 15 to 20 touches a game

I'm not even a Trine fan and I've been saying that since I first saw him return a punt I think at Alma the first time I saw him play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: irisheagle on September 18, 2012, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
Had to share...
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F1195125%2FSCARY-MARINE.gif&hash=5eefb758b50aebeaa992e2886406a77cb58189fa)

I wish we had marines protecting us from taunting every weekend.

Haha that is awsome!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 18, 2012, 10:10:08 PM
Another tough week coming for the MIAA teams! Can they improve upon last week?, we'll see! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 19, 2012, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on September 17, 2012, 10:29:56 AM
Trine has got to find a way to get the ball into Hence's (#2) hands more than 5 times a game he needs around 15 to 20 touches a game
Trine has Hence playing WR. He is only 5'8". At least thats what they report, seems shorter. Great athlete but playing the wrong position. I would suggest Trine go to a pro style offense. Play him out of the back field where he belongs. Simplify the blocking assignments. Stop running the QB and pass from the pocket or play action. Stop blaming Hargraves. Also use that Mike Inge more. They are not good enough to play the offense their playing. Protect your Qb inside the D ends!!!!!!! They would start winning in a week! IMO
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 19, 2012, 02:18:46 AM
The people that want to talk about the reality of the MIAA will only speak in private. I now see why. Please use my e-mail that I provided and I will try to respond. I answer your questions and get smart remarks on the public board. The programs should be held responsible, that is the purpose of having such a forum. People ask hmmmm I wonder why we are not doing well. Know one tells it like it is or they will get bad karma. Its football not a bridge club. Someone asked i wonder if we will do better this week? The answer is no Everyone is playing teams five times better than last week. I suggest that all the people that won't talk in public, do anyway. Don't be rude to people but say what you mean like you do in private. Preasure the programs to get better and than you will draw better players. Be nice but spell it out and stop worrying about your karma grade. You have great schools and great kids, expect Greatness. The people that critisize are the ones that live in fantasy, ignore them! They are the vast minority. Good Luck MIAA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Shoreman on September 19, 2012, 07:23:24 AM
SAA Predictions:

Sep. 22    Sewanee       Austin    Sewanee needs road win to get back on track, Tigers by 13   
      
             Kalamazoo       Centre    Centre gets right at home, wins by 21   
      
     Birmingham Southern       Rhodes       BSC bust Rhodes balloon win by 17
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 20, 2012, 10:52:12 PM
Massey Ratings of the MIAA   http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf&yr=2012&sub=11620

102.  Albion
151.  Adrian
168.  Hope
171.  Trine
177.  Kalamazoo
206.  Alma
238.  Olivet

Out of 240 rated.  Grim, pretty grim.  Ordinarily I'd use the BCS version which takes out margin of victory, but that actually rates Hope as the best in the MIAA......which, yeah I know.  Maybe a week or two too early for that.

Massey has the MIAA #31 as a conference which out of 35 is, ummm, terrible.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 20, 2012, 11:01:33 PM
This weeks schedule

Saturday, September 22
Central, Iowa at Albion, 1 p.m.
Wis.-Oshkosh at Alma, 1 p.m.
Illinois Wesleyan at Hope, 1 p.m.
North Park, Ill. at Olivet, 1 p.m.
Taylor, Ind. at Trine, 1 p.m.
Kalamazoo at Centre, Ky., 1:30 p.m.

Unfortunately I see a couple more than a couple potential beatdowns

Massey also does chances of victory

Albion 40%
Alma 0%
Hope 11%
Olivet 3%
Trine 0%
Kalamazoo 1%

Yeesh!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2012, 11:14:32 PM
I'd agree that the MIAA has little chance in 5 of the 6 games, but IF Albion's #1 qb Spencer Krauss returns at full strength, I'd actually make them a slight favorite.  (Their freshmen back-up qbs seem clearly not ready for prime time - no idea as to their potential.)  Does anyone know the status of Krauss?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 22, 2012, 12:48:38 AM
sac:

I obviously HOPE you and/or the poll you cite is wrong, although I think it will be at least 1/2 right. ::) ;)  Most likely, however, those predictions will end up occuring, yet at the same time, with the inclement weather being predicted for tomorrow, possibly the rain and colder temps might have some bearing on the outcomes, even on the synthetic turfs.  We'll check back tomorrow in the early evening to tally up the results!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2012, 04:38:26 PM
Trine wins 28-13 over Taylor.  Go Thunder!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 22, 2012, 05:57:03 PM
Holy crap.  4 first downs.  13 rushing yards.  Ouch.

Impressive wins by Trine and Albion today.

Kalamazoo kept it closer then I thought.

Hope made an attempt to make it look good towards the end.

Olivet...well that was almost as bad as the one I attended  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on September 22, 2012, 07:13:47 PM
Impressive win by Trine, got the offense going. Nothing like winning the game you were given a "0%" chance to win.

Was at the Albion game today, a few observations. Albion starting QB Spencer Krauss was out of uniform and wearing a sling on his arm, I think he's out for the season. However, it's amazing what a week of practice can do for you. True freshmen QB Dominic Bona had a fine day throwing the ball, showing good fairly strong arm strength with impressive accuracy and decent mobility. While a Krauss return would certainly help the Brits, I'm not convinced their ship is sunk with Bona, especially with some of the complimentary pieces he has.

That said, while Central is a decent team, I was concerned with the inability of Albion's veteran offensive line to consistently run block, and Albion's defense is definitely vulnerable on the perimeter. This would have been a much closer game, but Central lost their starting QB in the third quarter, and various backups combined to throw 2 4th quarter INTs that ended any chances for Central.

After 4 preseason games, I think the only thing we know, is that we know nothing. Albion, Adrian, and Trine each with at least one impressive showings, and Hope, we know, has an offense. With Albion down their starting QB, I'll make Adrian the favorite going forward, but I think any of these teams could get hot and win the league.

The league may be down nationally, but the trophy still looks the same. Good luck to all teams, it should be a fun ride.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 23, 2012, 12:26:42 AM
Albion 35, Central, Iowa 16
Wis.-Oshkosh 70, Alma 9
Illinois Wesleyan 23, Hope 13
North Park, Ill. 46, Olivet 21
Trine 28, Taylor, Ind. 13
Centre, Ky. 35, Kalamazoo 23

No one got smoked who wasn't supposed to, I guess that's something.

I'm not sure what Trine's win says.  Massey gave Trine 0% chance of winning but then massey has never been good at rating NAIA programs in any sport, perhaps that was just an error to begin with and Trine had a better shot than stated.  Consider they(Taylor) hammered Anderson 46-0.....but then Anderson is 0-3 and been outscored 123-17, so yeah not much to go on.  A win is better than a loss and the MIAA has just one more non-conference game to go, currently 11-16

Next week
Trine @ Kalamazoo
Alma @ Olivet
Hope @ Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 23, 2012, 01:23:45 AM
sac:

I guess you, RuleBrit and sflzman have pretty much covered (now) yesterday's MIAA games.  I'll only add...suffice to say Hope just did not play very good -offense was a non-entity in the first half.  I personally think that all the MIAA teams still have a long way to go before being able to compete on the national level in the playoffs, unfortunately.  I was also disappointed in today's attendance at Hope (below 2000), although I suppose both the weather and Hope's losing streak had something to do with that, even though the sun came out and the 2nd half was great fall football weather.

The only other comments I'll add before retiring for the night (uh, I mean this AM ::) ;D) is that one of your favorite phrases listed below in your profile probably will not be true for this year i.e. Michigan getting 10 wins.  Like Hope today, their offense simply did not play well, and while the defense had some great stops at times, they did have some costly breakdowns.  Also, I think it is safe to say that any hope/slim chance that Denard Robinson had for the Heisman went down the drain today with his rather horrid performance.  Notre Dame is vastly improved and a good team, however, they are "not there yet" either. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 23, 2012, 09:15:09 AM
It was a tough weekend for the MIAA, but many thought it would go that way. Good wins
for Albion and Trine in games that could have gone the other way. Now we'll see who is the strongest as the conference starts! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 23, 2012, 03:32:22 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on September 22, 2012, 07:13:47 PMAfter 4 preseason games, I think the only thing we know, is that we know nothing.

We also know that they're not preseason games. They're regular season games that count. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 23, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 23, 2012, 03:32:22 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on September 22, 2012, 07:13:47 PMAfter 4 preseason games, I think the only thing we know, is that we know nothing.

We also know that they're not preseason games. They're regular season games that count. ;)

Thank you Sager.  I hate seeing non-conference games referred to as "pre-season."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on September 24, 2012, 03:26:19 PM
Ypsi,
To respond to your question on Albion's QB Krause, as RuleBrit mentioned he is likely done for the season.  What was heard is that he suffered a separated shoulder....grade 3 was term tossed around.  Tough way for a guy coming back for a 5th year to end his season.  With the freshman QB's taking over for Albion I am sure Kraus' experience and wisdom will be helpful in their play as the league games start up. 


From Saturday's game against Central Iowa it seems that Bona had a better showing than what took place at Benedictine.  It is safe to say that a backup QB getting thrown into a game off an injury can be rattling and is not necessarily an indication of lack of reps or a "huge coaching error".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 24, 2012, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: Cousin Eddie on September 24, 2012, 03:26:19 PM
Ypsi,
To respond to your question on Albion's QB Krause, as RuleBrit mentioned he is likely done for the season.  What was heard is that he suffered a separated shoulder....grade 3 was term tossed around.  Tough way for a guy coming back for a 5th year to end his season.  With the freshman QB's taking over for Albion I am sure Kraus' experience and wisdom will be helpful in their play as the league games start up. 


From Saturday's game against Central Iowa it seems that Bona had a better showing than what took place at Benedictine.  It is safe to say that a backup QB getting thrown into a game off an injury can be rattling and is not necessarily an indication of lack of reps or a "huge coaching error".
First of all,Ypsi you know your football. Your earlier post was right on about the Albion game. We felt they were a good match-up w/ Central and had that game a toss up. Congrats!
Cous Ed, With all do respect, I think your missing out. After the starter was hurt Mr. Bona finally got the Reps and coaching he needed. probably spent the whole week looking at film, got all the reps in practice. he came in confident and won that game, Good for him!!! The Albion people should hope that the coaches correct their error and work just a little harder to make sure their number 2 is coached and ready to go. They need to go that extra mile. ALL teams need 2 qb's ready!!!!!! Its 2012! Just the way it is. Mr Bona, GREAT JOB! Now help your # 2 get ready, You may need him!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 25, 2012, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: Cousin Eddie on September 24, 2012, 03:26:19 PM
It is safe to say that a backup QB getting thrown into a game off an injury can be rattling and is not necessarily an indication of lack of reps or a "huge coaching error".

I have to agree that this must defintely be a factor.  No doubt that preparation is also a factor, but a Freshman entering his first collegiate game under that kind of situation can be, as you say, rattling.

Quote from: wisd3fan2 on September 24, 2012, 06:46:41 PM
Cous Ed, With all do respect, I think your missing out. After the starter was hurt Mr. Bona finally got the Reps and coaching he needed. probably spent the whole week looking at film, got all the reps in practice. he came in confident and won that game, Good for him!!! The Albion people should hope that the coaches correct their error and work just a little harder to make sure their number 2 is coached and ready to go. They need to go that extra mile. ALL teams need 2 qb's ready!!!!!! Its 2012! Just the way it is. Mr Bona, GREAT JOB! Now help your # 2 get ready, You may need him!

wisd3 - So do you KNOW these things to be true (you attending practices at Albion) or do you ASSUME them to be true?  Either way, you have to admit that Cousin Ed's point about the stress of being thrown unexpectedly into your first collegiate game can be "rattling".  Heck, look at how it has affected NFL back-ups - or do they also suffer from lack of reps and poor coaching?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wisd3fan2 on September 25, 2012, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 25, 2012, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: Cousin Eddie on September 24, 2012, 03:26:19 PM
It is safe to say that a backup QB getting thrown into a game off an injury can be rattling and is not necessarily an indication of lack of reps or a "huge coaching error".

I have to agree that this must defintely be a factor.  No doubt that preparation is also a factor, but a Freshman entering his first collegiate game under that kind of situation can be, as you say, rattling.

Quote from: wisd3fan2 on September 24, 2012, 06:46:41 PM
Cous Ed, With all do respect, I think your missing out. After the starter was hurt Mr. Bona finally got the Reps and coaching he needed. probably spent the whole week looking at film, got all the reps in practice. he came in confident and won that game, Good for him!!! The Albion people should hope that the coaches correct their error and work just a little harder to make sure their number 2 is coached and ready to go. They need to go that extra mile. ALL teams need 2 qb's ready!!!!!! Its 2012! Just the way it is. Mr Bona, GREAT JOB! Now help your # 2 get ready, You may need him!

wisd3 - So do you KNOW these things to be true (you attending practices at Albion) or do you ASSUME them to be true?  Either way, you have to admit that Cousin Ed's point about the stress of being thrown unexpectedly into your first collegiate game can be "rattling".  Heck, look at how it has affected NFL back-ups - or do they also suffer from lack of reps and poor coaching?
I played in the NFL for seven years and was rattled before every game. And yes I do agree that coming in under those circumstances would be unnerveing, however your performance in a game is generally determined by your preperation. In practice I generally took about 20% of the reps as the starter and the # 2 took most of the rest. A lot of the D1's, the starter takes about half. In D3 I find that the starters are getting almost all the reps but that trend is changing as D3 is getting much better. I think that D3 is the fastest growing Div in football today. I truely believe that D3 is passing D2 by very quickly as more and more money is being pumped into it. As it grows the coaching is getting much better. In 2010 UWW lost their QB during the last game of the season. Their #2 came in because of an injury and led the team to 5 straight wins and the National Championship. Coach Liepold had prepped him all year long. GREAT COACHING!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on September 25, 2012, 01:30:50 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 25, 2012, 08:35:20 AM
wisd3 - So do you KNOW these things to be true (you attending practices at Albion) or do you ASSUME them to be true?  Either way, you have to admit that Cousin Ed's point about the stress of being thrown unexpectedly into your first collegiate game can be "rattling".  Heck, look at how it has affected NFL back-ups - or do they also suffer from lack of reps and poor coaching?

Right in line with what I was thinking.

wisd3, as many of us here are former players, we all have seen players that know they are legitimate backups and aren't expecting to see the field not carry the same focus in practice....which is something coaches cannot always influence and control.  So regardless of number of reps they get they still may not be prepared.  In the past several years Albion has had the habbit of playing the #2 QB for a series or two at the start of the 2nd half.  The reasons for this may vary but points to the issue of the backups receiving close to an equal amount of reps and preparation.  I am venturing to guess that you have not attended an Albion practice this year nor have you attended in the past.  But what it really comes down to is the fact that neither of us have true knowledge of what currently takes place at Albion practices.  We both are making some assumptions that are likely reaching a bit.  You mention that you have found that D3 starters get most reps....would be interested to know at how many schools you have found this and if it can be considered a good representation of all of D3.  I don't want to take the time to go back and check, as I am sure you will tell me, but was the #2 that took over for UWW a freshman?  Probably not.  If not then it is a bit easier to come in as a backup when you have been with the system for a few years.  1-2yrs of reps and preparation even if only at 20%, is a bit better than 1-2months of preparation with 50% reps.  Obviously talent level comes into play...but that is a whole other conversation.  I am not taking anything away from Liepold, he is a good coach and the team is well coached.  But to toss out GREAT COACHING when attempting to compare these situations is a bit off the mark. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on September 25, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: Cousin Eddie on September 25, 2012, 01:30:50 PM

wisd3, as many of us here are former players, we all have seen players that know they are legitimate backups and aren't expecting to see the field not carry the same focus in practice....which is something coaches cannot always influence and control.  So regardless of number of reps they get they still may not be prepared.  In the past several years Albion has had the habbit of playing the #2 QB for a series or two at the start of the 2nd half.  The reasons for this may vary but points to the issue of the backups receiving close to an equal amount of reps and preparation.... 


As I looked back on this post just a few things I felt I wanted to clear up in case of confusion.  First when mentioning lack of focus I was not referring directly to Bona.  I was just giving a scenario and hopefully those reading the post did not think I was questioning the way he practices or approaches the game.  Second I brought up Albion inserting the #2 QB in games to make the point that the reason they would feel comfortable doing this is because they were confident in the preparation and number of reps given to the #2 QB.  Again when I reread my post it seemed like I wasn't clear on those two points.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 26, 2012, 01:23:31 PM
Last week
Quote from: sac on September 20, 2012, 10:52:12 PM
Massey Ratings of the MIAA   http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf&yr=2012&sub=11620
102.  Albion
151.  Adrian
168.  Hope
171.  Trine
177.  Kalamazoo
206.  Alma
238.  Olivet

This week using the regular ratings

78.  Albion
129.  Trine
143.  Adrian
157.  Hope
161.  Kalamazoo
198.  Alma
238.  Olivet

On the heels of Trine's victory over Taylor, the thunder climb 42 spots.  Along with marginal moves up by everone else.  Including Alma who were thumped and still moved up, that's what an SOS boost will do for you I guess.

BCS version, which I still don't like
73.  Albion
116.  Hope
154.  Trine
155.  Kalamazoo
157.  Adrian
161.  Alma
239.  Olivet


This week's schedule
Trine @ Kalamazoo    73% for Trine
Alma @ Olivet    96% for Alma  :o
Hope @ Adrian   65 % for Adrian

I think we might find out something about Kalamazoo this weekend.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on September 27, 2012, 04:21:37 PM
Mainly because I don't feel this joke ever gets old.....

sac you forgot one:

BYE @ Albion  100% for Albion.    ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dahlby on September 27, 2012, 04:40:59 PM
Cousin Eddie,

Good one!

Check my email address (Click on dahlby).

It is a long season for BYE...fortunately no injuries so far.
BYE shows for most games, but usually wins by forfeit.
Undefeated so far, but not ranked.

PS...I know, I won't quit my day job!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2012, 05:28:00 PM
Quote from: dahlby on September 27, 2012, 04:40:59 PM
Cousin Eddie,

Good one!

Check my email address (Click on dahlby).

It is a long season for BYE...fortunately no injuries so far.
BYE shows for most games, but usually wins by forfeit.
Undefeated so far, but not ranked.

PS...I know, I won't quit my day job!

BYE's strength of schedule has always been really low. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dahlby on September 27, 2012, 06:05:00 PM
Pat,

I showed your posting to my wife, and she indicated that the BYE SOS is not low, but in the middle, as BYE is on not only the lower portion of D3 teams, but also on the top ranked teams.

I don't argue with her.

Anyway, I chuckled at your posting.

I do appreciate the D3 boards and all the work you guys put into it. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on September 27, 2012, 06:48:26 PM
Haha.  Well played dahlby and Pat.....Well played.  Laughed at both posts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 27, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
Cous, dah, and Pat:

Good to see some levity on the boards! :) ;)


Anyway, we'll see how this weekend shapes out.  Hope's game at Adrian is a "night" game - uh...actually starts @ 5 PM, so it probably won't be dark until near the end of the game.  I hope there is a good crowd at Adrian and, of course, I hope Hope will be ready to give a better performance against Adrian, more like the second half of last week's game against IWU.

As far as the other two games, I agree that Alma will win and, most likely, Trine will beat Kazoo, although it would be neat to see a close game there - except, of course, for the Trine fans. ;D  However, the game is at Kazoo's new refurbished Angell field/stadium.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 27, 2012, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 27, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
Cous, dah, and Pat:

Good to see some levity on the boards! :) ;)


Anyway, we'll see how this weekend shapes out.  Hope's game at Adrian is a "night" game - uh...actually starts @ 5 PM, so it probably won't be dark until near the end of the game.  I hope there is a good crowd at Adrian and, of course, I hope Hope will be ready to give a better performance against Adrian, more like the second half of last week's game against IWU.

As far as the other two games, I agree that Alma will win and, most likely, Trine will beat Kazoo, although it would be neat to see a close game there - except, of course, for the Trine fans. ;D  However, the game is at Kazoo's new refurbished Angell field/stadium.   

formerd3db,

I agree, IMHO Alma wins (sflzman will be happy). Trine probably will win, but Hope vs.
Adrian. Not sure which team will be more ready, but this one should be close. I pulling for your team! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2012, 12:55:58 AM
Thanks Raider68, although we won't tell that to our Adrian colleagues here! ::) ;D ;)  Good luck to your Mount also, although I doubt they will need it. If you are going to Mount's game, I hope you have a great time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 29, 2012, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 29, 2012, 12:55:58 AM
Thanks Raider68, although we won't tell that to our Adrian colleagues here! ::) ;D ;)  Good luck to your Mount also, although I doubt they will need it. If you are going to Mount's game, I hope you have a great time.

formerd3db,

Yes, was at the game. Ohio Northern was not a very good test for the Raiders at 54-0.
This team seems to moving in the right direction with a defense that given up only
7 points in 4 games and averaged 52 per game.

What happen to Hope, no points? This was a surprize to me! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 30, 2012, 01:19:02 AM
formerd3db:

Were you on the sideline for Hope yesterday?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 30, 2012, 01:19:02 AM
formerd3db:

Were you on the sideline for Hope yesterday?

DAWG:

Good to hear from you.  Yes, I was down there last evening. If you were at the game, you should have sought me out for a visit after the game, it would have been nice to see you.  Anyway, I was impressed with what a fantastic atmosphere it was for your alma mater's Homecoming.  A ton of people, great crowd at the stadium, the rock and jazz bands playing before and after the game in the tents on the hill for the students and parents and other alumni, the tailgaiting and the college cooking hamburgs and hotdogs for almuni.  It was a great early evening for a game.  Overall, I was impressed, although I will go ahead an just say it here...despite all that, I am still unhappy with the way the Lyall situation was handled by the Adrian's administration those 3 years ago.  We all move on in life, however, as many of us discussed here a long time ago when that happened, that will forever be a "black spot" on Adrian's history - a shame. :P >:( ;) 

As to the game itself, I was obivously disappointed our (Hope's) play.  Adrian certainly deserved their well played win, although they are not the type of "powerhouse" that I expected them to be and/or that some people have implied they are since they've been picked to win the league.  Hope's offense is not playing very well, unfortunately, yet if we would have scored once right before the half or right after to make it a 14-7 deficit, I believe it would have been a slightly different game thereafter, although perhaps not.  I was also curious as to why Coach Deere kept his starters in during the mid-late 4th quarter with the game safely in hand.  Not what I would do were I a head coach (but...perhaps that's why I'm not! :o ;D ;)).

I will say that our (Hope's) punter DeVries (who is only a freshman) is one of the best pure punters I've seen in a long time at any level.  He had some +50 legit "all in the air" non, bouncing boomers complete with spirals (he has consistently done that and going into the Adrian game, was averaging 40.9 yards per kick).  I dare say he would be a legit DI punter - he is that good.

Anyway, I hope your Homecoming was enjoyable if you were there.  Take care and don't be so much of a stranger on this board if you are still around the region and/or continuing to follow Adrian and the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for the follow-up.  I had seen where many of you OAC'ers had been commenting that ONU was having a somewhat "off year".  However, I had expected them to give Mount a tougher game than they ended up doing as you mention.  As to Hope's game, my post to DAWG (a former Adrian player and coach) just prior to this one to you sums it up, unfortunately, for us. ::) ;)

Overall, the weather was fantastic for college football yesterday as you know.  I guess we had all better have enjoyed that (and possibly next week if we are lucky) because for whatever reason, I somehow have this fear/premonition that October is going to be a rainy and colder month.  Although I could obviously be wrong as I have not check the Farmer's Almanac, which in over a hundred and almost 50 years, has been pretty accurate. ::) ;D ;)  Anyway, I hope you enjoyed your day yesterday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 01, 2012, 07:46:13 AM
formerd3db:

Still in the area and region, actually about two blocks removed from Adrian College itself! The admin does a great job with events like homecoming, really changed the atmosphere as far as that is concerned for the better. I know everyone Ive talked to thats visited on a game day where they have events like that has come away impressed.

Your punter does have one hell of a leg, it was odd though, first half he was not getting much on the ball, comes out in the second and was just destroying it however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 01, 2012, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 30, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
Raider68:

Thanks for the follow-up.  I had seen where many of you OAC'ers had been commenting that ONU was having a somewhat "off year".  However, I had expected them to give Mount a tougher game than they ended up doing as you mention.  As to Hope's game, my post to DAWG (a former Adrian player and coach) just prior to this one to you sums it up, unfortunately, for us. ::) ;)

Overall, the weather was fantastic for college football yesterday as you know.  I guess we had all better have enjoyed that (and possibly next week if we are lucky) because for whatever reason, I somehow have this fear/premonition that October is going to be a rainy and colder month.  Although I could obviously be wrong as I have not check the Farmer's Almanac, which in over a hundred and almost 50 years, has been pretty accurate. ::) ;D ;)  Anyway, I hope you enjoyed your day yesterday.
Please, please, please be wrong on the weather ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2012, 09:22:58 AM
newcardfan:

Indeed, I hope I am wrong about the weather! :)  I know that you, too, don't want to sit (or stand) around in rainy/cold weather watching your son play, although you will obviously do that anyway regardless of how the weather is this month! :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 01, 2012, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 01, 2012, 09:22:58 AM
newcardfan:

Indeed, I hope I am wrong about the weather! :)  I know that you, too, don't want to sit (or stand) around in rainy/cold weather watching your son play, although you will obviously do that anyway regardless of how the weather is this month! :D
That I will!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 01, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
Hope's game can probably be summed up in the 12 yards net rushing.  ::)

So far Hope seems to be competent at home, poor on the road.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 01, 2012, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: sac on September 26, 2012, 01:23:31 PM

78.  Albion
129.  Trine
143.  Adrian
157.  Hope
161.  Kalamazoo
198.  Alma
238.  Olivet


This week's massey

81.  Albion
119.  Trine
129.  Adrian
165.  Kalamazoo
183.  Hope
215.  Alma
238.  Olivet

The massey supercomputer liked Alma's win over Olivet so much it dropped them 17 places.


This week in MIAA football misery

Saturday, October 6
Albion at Trine, 1 p.m.
Olivet at Hope, 1 p.m.
Adrian at Alma, 1:30 p.m.

Massey's chances at victory
Albion 59%
Hope 99%......the official Lloyd Christmas 'so you're saying there's a chance game of the week'
Adrian 93%
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 01, 2012, 03:28:52 PM
The MIAA has a nice addition to its website to commemorate 125 years of existence

http://www.miaa.org/miaa125th/index

Five stories added today, 3 of them football related.

Everyone should read this one:
http://www.miaa.org/miaa125th/Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 01, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
This story appeared on ncaa.org about Albion's win over Wheaton.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/division+iii/enduring+guidance
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: nccfac on October 02, 2012, 02:41:13 AM
Quote from: sac on October 01, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
This story appeared on ncaa.org about Albion's win over Wheaton.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/division+iii/enduring+guidance

What a great story. I was a little choked up reading it. Zach sounds like a great son, one who honors his mother in everything he does. Good luck to Zach and his teammates and congratulations for that amazing win over Wheaton.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 02, 2012, 07:54:33 AM
Quote from: nccfac on October 02, 2012, 02:41:13 AM
Quote from: sac on October 01, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
This story appeared on ncaa.org about Albion's win over Wheaton.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/division+iii/enduring+guidance

What a great story. I was a little choked up reading it. Zach sounds like a great son, one who honors his mother in everything he does. Good luck to Zach and his teammates and congratulations for that amazing win over Wheaton.
This is a great story and yes, I'll admit it, I became a little teary eyed. Congrats to him. Sounds like a great son, who will always make his mom proud.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 05, 2012, 01:02:52 AM
W&J may not be in the conference, but please keep the team, players, coaches, student body, and especially the player's family in mind during this horrible time: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2012/10/washington-and-jefferson-player-dies (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2012/10/washington-and-jefferson-player-dies)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 05, 2012, 03:04:58 PM
Will the Albion/Trine winner have the edge for the conference lead, and will Adrian/Hope winner
be a lead contender this week? IMHO, this week's results may answer that at the midway point
of the season! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on October 05, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
i would say hope is out after being shut out by adrian but you never no adrian has a tendency to lose to a team it shouldnt so i'd say who ever wins the Trine albion game would be the clear front runner


Go Thunder
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 06, 2012, 05:08:14 PM
Alma's first drive they marched down 84 yards and took 7 minutes off the clock.  After that they only managed 32 yards the rest of the game.

Defensively they held strong and only gave up a touch over 300 yards.

I wanted to point out the big guy from Florida that Adrian brought along.  He's 5-7, 370 lbs.! That's a big freshman!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 06, 2012, 05:34:24 PM
Trine 27, Albion 22
Hope 24, Olivet 14
Adrian 27, Alma 3

Trine and Adrian now tied at 2-0.......guess who play each other next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2012, 09:31:12 PM
Everyone:

You all know how crazy the MIAA race always is, regardless of who is in the upper tier and who is in the lower tier.  I believe the winner of the Adrian/Trine game will have the upper hand temporarily, however, upsets can occur as we know and as the league games come down to the wire, I believe is going to come down to 1 loss tie and the tie breaker then deciding who gets the AQ.  Of course, my opinion/theory could very well get "blown out of the water". :D ;)

Today's game at Hope kind of went as expected. It was a good win for Hope, a little confidence booster, although I think us Hope fans have to admit that Olivet was good enough to win the game had they played the entire game like they did in the last 4 minutes of the game.  Their first half doomed them and like last week in their loss to Alma, today's game was another case of "too little to late".  However, that was good for Hope and Hope did not totally let down at the end and saved the win.  It was a cold, moderately windy and overcast cloudy day the entire game with a tinge of rain (and very light hail or punctate snowflakes for a couple of minutes) right before the end of the first half.  I think everyone needs to make sure they have their gloves and rainsuits our for the next couple of weeks. ;)

Homecoming for Hope is next weekend and I am obviously looking forward to the game against Alma.  sflzman, will you be there?  Everyone take care and we'll review our posts throughout this week.

BTW, I was disappointed that Northwestern blew their game today against Penn State and while Michigan State needs to get credit for not giving up, Indiana blew that game also. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2012, 09:47:27 PM
I don't wish to cause any problems (perceived or otherwise) here, however, does anyone find it strange that Hope's home attendance listing for yesterday's game with Olivet was listed at 1810, the same as it was for the Illinois Wesleyan game? :o  Perhaps it is just a coincidence, however, that seems strange to me.  I will admit that the overall general view of the crowd did seem very similar and the weather in addtion to the fact that it is Fall Break for the College both contributed to the lower attendance IMO.  This is somewhat disappointing after the great crowd of 3400+ we had at the opening home game of the season, although, of course, Hope has not been playing as well since then, which is probably another factor for lower attendance.  Still, we have some home game still left on the schedule so there is always HOPE ;) :).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2012, 05:21:18 AM
That does seem odd that the attendance was EXACTLY the same.  I always wonder how they get these actual totals.  The attendance for the Albion / Trine game (Trine's homecoming) was listed at 5485.   There did seem to be a lot of people, but heck if I can judge totals just by looking at the crowd size.  :) 

It was the first game we attended this year and it was a very exciting game, from a Trine perspective.  A turnover and a couple of quick scores for Trine were key to getting them off to a good start and keeping the crowd in the game.  Hope to attend the Adrian game this coming weekend. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 08, 2012, 12:01:58 PM
Quote from: sac on October 01, 2012, 03:19:54 PM
81.  Albion
119.  Trine
129.  Adrian
165.  Kalamazoo
183.  Hope
215.  Alma
238.  Olivet

This week's massey rankings

97.  Albion
105.  Trine
121.  Adrian
160.  Kalamazoo
186.  Hope
209.  Alma
235.  Olivet

Albion down a bit, Trine up a bit, everyone else holds pretty much steady.


Saturday, October 13
Kalamazoo at Albion, 1 p.m.
Alma at Hope, 2 p.m.
Trine at Adrian, 4 p.m.

Massey's chances at victory
Albion 95%.......think this one might be close
Hope 77%
Adrian 51 %.....pretty much a toss-up to massey
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2012, 01:44:13 PM
Uncle Rico:
Good to have you post again here and also that you were able to attend the Trine game.  Agree with you about the attendance.  As far back as I can remember, Hope always took very good attendance statistics, however, last year and this year so far, I am somewhat suspect of a few of the home game totals and am not sure why that is.  I posted this a long time ago, but at the home game against Milikin last year there was no way the attendance was only 1400 at that game - it had to be at least twice that number.  Oh well. ::) :D ;)

sac:
I think that Kazoo might give Albion a tougher game, although I have to give the edge for the win to Albion because it is a home game for Albion.
Hope should beat Alma by a fair margin, however, I suspect it will be a much closer game.  Just have that feeling.
And finally, I agree that it will be a toss up between Trine and Adrian, but I give that edge to Adrian because it is a home game for them.  It will be interesting to see if they have high attendance numbers for that game (like they did for their Homecoming game against Hope two weeks ago and also historically with Trine the last 2-3 years, regardless of which stadium that game was at either in Angola or Adrian).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 09, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
I feel like if it's anything how Alma and Hope have played so far it might be a 10-7, 7-3, 9-6 type of game at half, but the final will probably look more like 24-7.  Alma has had solid defensive efforts each time out with the exception of Oshkosh, but really the offense hasn't done much after the early minutes.

Saturday's game Alma had 84 yards in their first drive but managed 32 the rest of the game.  I really like the new offensive system, but the players aren't really here for it, and the defenses make adjustments after early drives.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on October 09, 2012, 08:56:56 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 09, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
I feel like if it's anything how Alma and Hope have played so far it might be a 10-7, 7-3, 9-6 type of game at half, but the final will probably look more like 24-7.  Alma has had solid defensive efforts each time out with the exception of Oshkosh, but really the offense hasn't done much after the early minutes.

Saturday's game Alma had 84 yards in their first drive but managed 32 the rest of the game.  I really like the new offensive system, but the players aren't really here for it, and the defenses make adjustments after early drives.

It will be interesting to see how the Alma/Hope games plays out.  Expectations were certainly higher for Hope this year.  General consensus was that Alma was going to struggle.

I also like the offense that Alma is trying to evolve, but the execution has been very tough.  To Sflzman's point, they simply don't have the personnel to run it.  It's been difficult to watch.  I wonder who will get the nod at qb this week, with Psconda making the switch in the 3rd quarter last week?  While Leister has missed a lot of open guys, there have been plenty of drops by receivers as well.  Seems like the qb has one option to throw to, and if that option isn't available, there's difficulty in finding another option.  Psconda seems to go away from what is successful early in the game.  The first drive last week was a mix of some runs outside the tackles, utilizing the tight end over the middle, and also getting #88 a chance to make a play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
I agree with you sflzman and AlmaFan.  It will be interesting to see how the game plays out this Saturday.

Also, to everyone:
Many of you Michigan natives may remember the Karras of Detroit Lions and George Plimpton's "Paper Lion" book experience.  In that regard, please say a prayer for the extended familes inclusive of Ted Karras, Jr. (former Northwestern University Big-Ten star, former DIII HCAC Rose-Hulman Head Coach and current Head Coach of NAIA Marion University in Indianapolis of the Mid-States League) as his uncle, famed former Detroit Lion NFL star Alex Karras (who is the brother of his father Ted Karras, Sr.) is dying of kidney failure in California it was announced this evening.  Karras was sent home from the hospital to spend his last few days/hours with his family.  The Karras families have an extensive longtime history in football as most of you know.  Alex Karras is apparently also suffering from long term closed head injury and has been one of the leaders in the recent ongoing lawsuit against the NFL for concussions, until his illnesses recently put him on the sidelines.  So again, keep all of them in your prayers.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 10, 2012, 01:16:57 AM
I'm much to young to remember Alex Karras as anything but Webster's dad.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flaist.com%2Fattachments%2Flindsayrebecca%2Falex-karras-webster.jpg&hash=f6daba2c5acaa42aa7466c8653a472e091fa7275)

Very interesting the ties that people have to D3 sometimes.


It has not been a good couple of days for Detroit sports legends with the news yesterday morning that long time Detroit Red Wings public address announcer Bud Lynch passed away at 95.  He was hired by the Red Wings in 1949 and was with the club in some capacity for 63 years, and like he had since the building opened was announcing Red Wings games last season.  Think of everything he's seen in that town.

Found this in an Edmonton blog of all places, but this is the kind of admiration he had around the NHL
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/10/09/the-greatest-wing-may-have-been-budd-lynch/

Whenever they get back to playing hockey, the Wings will retire Nicholas Lidstrom's #5 to the rafters of JLA and it will make me quite sad that it will not be Bud Lynch on the PA system.  I hope they will also find a way to honor Lynch in the same way the Tigers honored Ernie Harwell.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on October 10, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2012, 01:16:57 AM
I'm much to young to remember Alex Karras as anything but Webster's dad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNJla8WvoY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNJla8WvoY&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10)

For those of us "old enough" to recall AK tearing up the Big Ten as a Hoosier who went Hawkeye - and his cinematic role with Cleavon, Gene, Mel, and Harvey during senior year of college... Cheers, Alex!   :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 10, 2012, 08:30:34 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 09, 2012, 10:48:47 PM


Also, to everyone:
Many of you Michigan natives may remember the Karras of Detroit Lions and George Plimpton's "Paper Lion" book experience.  In that regard, please say a prayer for the extended familes inclusive of Ted Karras, Jr. (former Northwestern University Big-Ten star, former DIII HCAC Rose-Hulman Head Coach and current Head Coach of NAIA Marion University in Indianapolis of the Mid-States League) as his uncle, famed former Detroit Lion NFL star Alex Karras (who is the brother of his father Ted Karras, Sr.) is dying of kidney failure in California it was announced this evening.  Karras was sent home from the hospital to spend his last few days/hours with his family.  The Karras families have an extensive longtime history in football as most of you know.  Alex Karras is apparently also suffering from long term closed head injury and has been one of the leaders in the recent ongoing lawsuit against the NFL for concussions, until his illnesses recently put him on the sidelines.  So again, keep all of them in your prayers.

Small sidenote: Joe Haklin recruited Ted Karras to Marian from RHI to build their football program from ground up. He's done a fantastic job.

Blazing Saddles anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2012, 10:41:11 AM
"Mongo just pawn in game of life."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2012, 05:16:12 PM
Chuck, you got the quote wrong. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10) That's surprising, as it's one of the most memorable comic lines in the last fifty years of film.

RIP Alex "Mad Duck" Karras.

Quote from: sac on October 10, 2012, 01:16:57 AMIt has not been a good couple of days for Detroit sports legends with the news yesterday morning that long time Detroit Red Wings public address announcer Bud Lynch passed away at 95.  He was hired by the Red Wings in 1949 and was with the club in some capacity for 63 years, and like he had since the building opened was announcing Red Wings games last season.  Think of everything he's seen in that town.

Maybe it would be best not to. No city in America has had an unhappier last 63 years than Detroit, Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2012, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2012, 05:16:12 PM
Chuck, you got the quote wrong. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10) That's surprising, as it's one of the most memorable comic lines in the last fifty years of film.

RIP Alex "Mad Duck" Karras.

Quote from: sac on October 10, 2012, 01:16:57 AMIt has not been a good couple of days for Detroit sports legends with the news yesterday morning that long time Detroit Red Wings public address announcer Bud Lynch passed away at 95.  He was hired by the Red Wings in 1949 and was with the club in some capacity for 63 years, and like he had since the building opened was announcing Red Wings games last season.  Think of everything he's seen in that town.

Maybe it would be best not to. No city in America has had an unhappier last 63 years than Detroit, Michigan.

Yeah, and it is one of my favorite movies (and lines). :-[

[In my (lame) defense, just ran across a site which said subbing 'just' for 'only' is the second most common movie quotation error, behind only 'Play it again, Sam'.  Speaking of Casablanca( ;)), it's trivia challenge time: how many times does Rick say "Here's looking at you, kid"?]
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on October 10, 2012, 08:36:40 PM
I'm fuzzily recalling three times.  If I recall three, it's probably more.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2012, 09:41:47 PM
Quote from: sigma one on October 10, 2012, 08:36:40 PM
I'm fuzzily recalling three times.  If I recall three, it's probably more.

I was hoping to lure movie-trivia-buff Greg into a battle on my home turf (I've probably watched Casablanca at least 20 times - my absolutely favorite movie of all time), but you are very close.  He says it twice in the Paris flashback, once in his office after their passion is first re-kindled, and once in the farewell at the airport.  Which one did you forget (I'd guess one of the Paris flashbacks)?

And, except perhaps ironically, I would NEVER say 'Play it again, Sam'! ;)  (I'm embarassed enough I blew the Blazing Saddles quote; which is in the running for my second favorite movie.)

In MOST movie trivia contests I am a fish out of water. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 11, 2012, 12:43:40 PM
Four (if the site where I looked it up is correct) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on October 11, 2012, 06:03:29 PM
Mr. Ypsi:  I remembered once at the cafe, once in the Paris flashback, and at the airport.  Trying to recall what the right language is on the "Sam" quote.  "Play it, Sam.  You played it for her, you can play it for me.  Play it."--or something like that?  Sam says, something like, "no, boss," in there, doesn't he?  I'll look it up eventually now that my mind is on it.  Or you most likely have it down pat.  This is not a movie site, but my favorite movie is The Searchers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 11, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
sigma one,

Without going into the entire exchanges, what Ilsa says to Sam is closest to the misquote: "Play it, Sam.  Play "As Time Goes By."  Rick's closest statement to the misquote is "If she can stand it, I can.  Play it."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 12, 2012, 01:30:54 PM
bring the rain gear

Albion
Showers and thunderstorms likely. Increasing clouds, with a high near 59. South southeast wind around 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Holland
Showers and thunderstorms. High near 60. South southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.

Adrian
A chance of showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 60. South southeast wind 7 to 13 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2012, 04:30:15 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2012, 01:30:54 PM
bring the rain gear

Albion
Showers and thunderstorms likely. Increasing clouds, with a high near 59. South southeast wind around 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Holland
Showers and thunderstorms. High near 60. South southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.

Adrian
A chance of showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 60. South southeast wind 7 to 13 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

Yes, it is going to be ugly in that regard and not fun. :'( :P :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 12, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Just heard a story on the radio about a guy in an aprtment complex who tried to cook a squirrel with a blow torch and set the place on fire. Really, what was he thinking? Any info on this? Sounds crazy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 12, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on October 12, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Just heard a story on the radio about a guy in an aprtment complex who tried to cook a squirrel with a blow torch and set the place on fire. Really, what was he thinking? Any info on this? Sounds crazy.

People like that shouldn't be allowed to own a blowtorch...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 12, 2012, 07:02:07 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 12, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on October 12, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Just heard a story on the radio about a guy in an aprtment complex who tried to cook a squirrel with a blow torch and set the place on fire. Really, what was he thinking? Any info on this? Sounds crazy.

People like that shouldn't be allowed to own a blowtorch...
Forgot to add it was near Holland, Mi
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 12, 2012, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on October 12, 2012, 07:02:07 PM
Quote from: sflzman on October 12, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on October 12, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Just heard a story on the radio about a guy in an aprtment complex who tried to cook a squirrel with a blow torch and set the place on fire. Really, what was he thinking? Any info on this? Sounds crazy.

People like that shouldn't be allowed to own a blowtorch...
Forgot to add it was near Holland, Mi

In that case, his neighbors should be grateful it was only a blowtorch, not a flamethrower! 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 12, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
who better to comment on such an incident than 'free beer and hotwings' (a show I miss terribly) about 45 seconds in

http://www.wzzm13.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1893337907001

Nice late shot at the residents of Dorr.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2012, 01:30:54 PM
bring the rain gear

Albion
Showers and thunderstorms likely. Increasing clouds, with a high near 59. South southeast wind around 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Holland
Showers and thunderstorms. High near 60. South southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.

Adrian
A chance of showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 60. South southeast wind 7 to 13 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

Guaranteed there will be Thunder at Adrian tomorrow.....lots of it!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 12, 2012, 10:03:42 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: sac on October 12, 2012, 01:30:54 PM
bring the rain gear

Albion
Showers and thunderstorms likely. Increasing clouds, with a high near 59. South southeast wind around 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Holland
Showers and thunderstorms. High near 60. South southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.

Adrian
A chance of showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 60. South southeast wind 7 to 13 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

Guaranteed there will be Thunder at Adrian tomorrow.....lots of it!

Thunder is allowed, but save the lightning - they'd have to stop the game! 8-)

I'm predicting a Bulldog win, but should clearly be THE game of the week in the conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 12, 2012, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on October 12, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Just heard a story on the radio about a guy in an aprtment complex who tried to cook a squirrel with a blow torch and set the place on fire. Really, what was he thinking? Any info on this? Sounds crazy.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/10/resident_using_torch_to_singe.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 13, 2012, 08:38:02 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 12, 2012, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: newcardfan on October 12, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Just heard a story on the radio about a guy in an aprtment complex who tried to cook a squirrel with a blow torch and set the place on fire. Really, what was he thinking? Any info on this? Sounds crazy.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/10/resident_using_torch_to_singe.html
That' alot of damage for a squirrel dinner!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 13, 2012, 07:03:25 PM
No surprizes today in the MIAA, is Adrian the clear leader?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 13, 2012, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 13, 2012, 07:03:25 PM
No surprizes today in the MIAA, is Adrian the clear leader?

No surprises according to the MIAA Pick'ems participants.  The three winners in conference were unanimously picked!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2012, 06:54:14 PM
sflzman:

While it was a nice win for us and a confidence booster, it was a dismal day otherwise at Hope's Homecoming yesterday due to the weather and, of course, for your Alma team.  The horrid rainy and cold weather was indeed a factor in keeping people away from the game as there was a paultry 1500 reported attendance, although after halftime that was cut down to well under half of that from my count.  While I'm sure that Hope's W-L record to date and the way we had been playing has been a factor in the decreased attendance, still at Hope's Homecomings, we've always had about 4,000 or more attend.  The alumni lacrosse game was cancelled in the AM due to the heavy rain (and I think the alumni soccer game was also).  There were, of course, the Alma faithful in attendance (parents and family of the players for perhaps 150-200 maybe).

As far as Alma's team, I thought they have speed and bigger size this year.  However, IMO, as evidenced by yesterday, they simply exhibited poor play yesterday.  Poor tackling, no blocking, out of position (although the DB's did fairly well, even though our Hope receivers finally started making catches).  Alma just seemed to have no "punch" or enthusiasm.  Anyway, I'm sure they will build on this year for next year.  Same with us.  With games left against Kazoo, Trine and Albion (the first and last are "away" games), we have a tough challenge left to go.  And although everyone has the synthetic turf now in the league, still, it is no fun playing in the rain, colder weather, which I suspect we'll all still have for the remainder of the season.  Of course, that is no excuse for anyone because everyone still has to play the games, duh... ::) ;D ;)

Reports on the other two MIAA games, anyone?  Kazoo almost pulled another upset on Albion and it was at the latter's place.  Sounds like the Adrian/Trine game as a closer one too, although I was disappointed in seeing the listed attendance figure for that game, especially after the nice crowd Adrian had a their Homecoming against Hope two weeks, ago.  However, most likely, again the rain had something to do with that.

Speaking of decreased attendance in general, it was also disappointing to see the lighter crowd at Central Michigan Friday night in their game against Navy.  A beautiful evening for football and after beating Iowa (although they did lose to Toledo last week and, of course, were smashed by Michigan State), they can't even get their stadium only just abuot half-full for Navy?  Granted, Navy isn't among the upper tier DI teams, however, they are no slouch.  Central couldn't even get a full house for Boston College in the recent past, nor Toledo against Colorado last year.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 14, 2012, 09:07:48 PM
formerd3db:

Rain+Mid Semester break were factors for the crowd.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2012, 09:36:13 PM
ADAWG:

Thanks.  Totally understand now.  Those were the same reasons that contributed to last weekend's lower attendance at Hope's home game with Olivet - Fall break and the weather.  Usually, the colleges try to schedule an "away" game the weekend of the annual Fall break (at least Hope does), however, this was one year that it obviously didn't work out that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
Good weekend to be a Michigander!

Tigers go 2-0 in Gotham; the way the starters are pitching (era of 0.9375 in seven games!), I doubt this series makes it back to Yankee Stadium. (Even Valverde can't muck that up, can he?)

Lions pull it out in OT despite SIXTEEN penalties.

My grown-up team (MIchigan) eviscerates my childhood team (Illinois).

EMU puts a helluva scare in Toledo, and finds a running back.

And MSU loses.  (Actually, I wanted them to win; this takes some luster off Michigan's win next week!)

(And, on a personal note, IWU wins by essentially the same score as Michigan - Carthage got a meaningless TD with 15 seconds left to make it 'only' 45-7, instead of 45-0.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 14, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
Good weekend to be a Michigander!

...or if you are a duck.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: sac on October 14, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
Good weekend to be a Michigander!

...or if you are a duck.

Well, yeah, there was that!

Actually, I took Shelby to the dog park today - I think it was the only half hour all day that the sun was shining! ;D

Helpful hint for consumers: don't buy the house by the street drain!  Always got the drain cleared in a minute or two before, but today my neighbor and his daughter (working on the drain across the street) and I went at least ten minutes before getting much action.  Street was flooded top-of-curb to top-of-curb (which makes for a tsunami in the yard if a car comes through).  Always a thrill when the whirlpool kicks in at the drain!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2012, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: sac on October 14, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
Good weekend to be a Michigander!

...or if you are a duck.

Well, yeah, there was that!

Actually, I took Shelby to the dog park today - I think it was the only half hour all day that the sun was shining! ;D

Helpful hint for consumers: don't buy the house by the street drain!  Always got the drain cleared in a minute or two before, but today my neighbor and his daughter (working on the drain across the street) and I went at least ten minutes before getting much action.  Street was flooded top-of-curb to top-of-curb (which makes for a tsunami in the yard if a car comes through).  Always a thrill when the whirlpool kicks in at the drain!

Even more so when the spring thaw comes and you get that drain open. My parents' house is on the corner and they have the drain.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
Mr. Ypsi (and sac):

Wow.  Eastern Michigan plays Toledo tough yesterday but still loses a close game 52-47.  However, their attendance at Rynearson Stadium was a paultry 2837.  Heck, Albion had near that at their home game against Kazoo yesterday with 2621.  Not good for EMU.  :-X :-[  I do not think that Eastern will make their required DI home attendance quota this year.  On the other hand, most if not all of the MAC schools won't either.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 11:10:57 PM
Yeah, I remember those winter clogs - though we haven't had a winter in many years (late 70s?) where that really happened.  Global warming DOES have an upside! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 14, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
Mr. Ypsi (and sac):

Wow.  Eastern Michigan plays Toledo tough yesterday but still loses a close game 52-47.  However, their attendance at Rynearson Stadium was a paultry 2837.  Heck, Albion had near that at their home game against Kazoo yesterday with 2621.  Not good for EMU.  :-X :-[  I do not think that Eastern will make their required DI home attendance quota this year.  On the other hand, most if not all of the MAC schools won't either.

I suspect it has been more than a decade and a half since EMU legitimately made the quota.  They faked it a few years (and got caught), and gave free tickets out like Halloween candy, but now even people with free tickets don't show up.  My younger son is now an EMU student, but he was so turned off by a game earlier this year where they were absolutely smoked, even he won't go.  I don't know if there is anything they can do.

Especially now that UM seems to be reviving.  Maybe the exciting new running back (Bronson Hill, 283 yards, 4 TDs against Toledo) can right the ship, but I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2012, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 14, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
Mr. Ypsi (and sac):

Wow.  Eastern Michigan plays Toledo tough yesterday but still loses a close game 52-47.  However, their attendance at Rynearson Stadium was a paultry 2837.  Heck, Albion had near that at their home game against Kazoo yesterday with 2621.  Not good for EMU.  :-X :-[  I do not think that Eastern will make their required DI home attendance quota this year.  On the other hand, most if not all of the MAC schools won't either.

I suspect it has been more than a decade and a half since EMU legitimately made the quota.  They faked it a few years (and got caught), and gave free tickets out like Halloween candy, but now even people with free tickets don't show up.  My younger son is now an EMU student, but he was so turned off by a game earlier this year where they were absolutely smoked, even he won't go.  I don't know if there is anything they can do.

Especially now that UM seems to be reviving.  Maybe the exciting new running back (Bronson Hill, 283 yards, 4 TDs against Toledo) can right the ship, but I have my doubts.

I cannot imagine anyone being so down on Michigan football that they would substitute it with Eastern Michigan football.   :-\

Out of curiosity I checked on EMU's ticket pricing, the cost of the high end season ticket package is less than a single ticket for a Michigan game.  $60 vs $75

The cure for everything attendance related is winning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 15, 2012, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: sac on October 08, 2012, 12:01:58 PM

97.  Albion
105.  Trine
121.  Adrian
160.  Kalamazoo
186.  Hope
209.  Alma
235.  Olivet


This week's massey update

105.  Adrian
110.  Albion
113.  Trine
163.  Kalamazoo
177.  Hope
220.  Alma
237.  Olivet

Things tightened up at the top after this weekend with the spread between those 3 going from 24 poll spots to 8.....and a little shuffling with Adrian now the top dog (groan).   No one in the top 100, hurray for us.

I think I told you the K/Albion game would be close. ;)

Saturday, October 20
Adrian at Olivet, 1 p.m.
Albion at Alma, 1 p.m.
Hope at Kalamazoo, 2 p.m.


Massey's chances for victory
Adrian  100%
Albion 96%
Kalamazoo 69%

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This is probably Kalamazoo's best chances to wrestle away the wooden shoes from Hope, 1995 was Kzoo's last victory in the series with several close calls.


If the season plays out the way massey is predicting, the final standings look like this.......Massey likes Albion over Adrian, not sure I buy that

1.  Adrian  5-1
1.  Albion  5-1
1.  Trine   5-1
4.  Kalamazoo  3-3
5.  Hope  2-4
6.  Alma   1-5
7.  Olivet  0-6

Look away if you're an Olivet fan

Probability of victory
vs Adrian  0%
vs Albion  0%
vs Trine   0%
vs Kzoo   1%
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 17, 2012, 06:46:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 14, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
Good weekend to be a Michigander!

Tigers go 2-0 in Gotham; the way the starters are pitching (era of 0.9375 in seven games!), I doubt this series makes it back to Yankee Stadium. (Even Valverde can't muck that up, can he?)

Lions pull it out in OT despite SIXTEEN penalties.

My grown-up team (MIchigan) eviscerates my childhood team (Illinois).

EMU puts a helluva scare in Toledo, and finds a running back.

And MSU loses.  (Actually, I wanted them to win; this takes some luster off Michigan's win next week!)

(And, on a personal note, IWU wins by essentially the same score as Michigan - Carthage got a meaningless TD with 15 seconds left to make it 'only' 45-7, instead of 45-0.)
You got that broom ready? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 19, 2012, 06:30:13 PM
Since it's kind of quiet here I guess I'll throw out that Alma's high school soccer team (who is coming off of a regional finals appearance last year) won last night in district semi's in PK's....the significance is that they had a freshman score with 21.8 seconds left in regulation to tie it and force overtime!!!  :o :o That's an incredible way to keep your season alive!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 20, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
formerd3db,

Good win for Hope today! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 22, 2012, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: sac on October 15, 2012, 12:15:35 PM

105.  Adrian
110.  Albion
113.  Trine
163.  Kalamazoo
177.  Hope
220.  Alma
237.  Olivet


This week's massey

103.  Adrian
106.  Albion
113.  Trine
157.  Hope
172.  Kalamazoo
215.  Alma
233.  Olivet


Hope and Kzoo flip this week after Hope's big win.  Otherwise nothing that should surprise anyone....or make them overly excited.

Saturday, October 27
Albion at Olivet, 1 p.m.
Trine at Hope, 1 p.m.|
Kalamazoo at Adrian, 6 p.m.

Albion and Adrian with games they should win before their big showdown next weekend.  Trine's path to a potential share of the MIAA runs into Hope this weekend, get by that one and they should cruise to wins over Alma and Olivet and finish 5-1.

Probability of victory.
Albion 100%
Trine 68%
Adrian 90%
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 24, 2012, 11:02:00 PM
Wow, it sure has been quite here on our board (although I have contributed to that as well ::) :))  Although obviously "off topic", I just thought I'd mention this, if I may, so please bear with me.  I think the Detroit Tigers are in trouble.  I realize it is only the first game of the World Series, however, they are getting smashed by San Francisco 6-1 with the game in the 7th inning.  Verlander apparently got "blasted".  I've heard comments by many people who have said that they viewed San Francisco's hitting as being generally poor.  However, I tended to think otherwise in view of what they did to St. Louis in those last 3 games of the NLCS and it appears they have continued where they left off just a couple of nights ago.  While the series has just started, nonetheless, after tonight's game, I am not very confident at all for Detroit's chances in winning the title.  If they lose the World Series again, it will obviously be disappointing.

P.S. Raider68, sorry for this delayed reply.  Yes, it was a good win for Hope last Saturday, although obviously disappointing for Kazoo as they have slid downhill after a good start.  Hope has won 3 in a row, however, the last two games will be tough ones - our last home game against Trine, then our "bye" weekend and then the final game against Albion on Nov 10th.  As far as your Mount, I tend to think they are "in the driver's seat" right now as far as The Stagg Bowl, although obviously there is a long way to go as yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 24, 2012, 11:54:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 24, 2012, 11:02:00 PM
Wow, it sure has been quite here on our board (although I have contributed to that as well ::) :))  Although obviously "off topic", I just thought I'd mention this, if I may, so please bear with me.  I think the Detroit Tigers are in trouble.  I realize it is only the first game of the World Series, however, they are getting smashed by San Francisco 6-1 with the game in the 7th inning.  Verlander apparently got "blasted".  I've heard comments by many people who have said that they viewed San Francisco's hitting as being generally poor.  However, I tended to think otherwise in view of what they did to St. Louis in those last 3 games of the NLCS and it appears they have continued where they left off just a couple of nights ago.  While the series has just started, nonetheless, after tonight's game, I am not very confident at all for Detroit's chances in winning the title.  If they lose the World Series again, it will obviously be disappointing.

P.S. Raider68, sorry for this delayed reply.  Yes, it was a good win for Hope last Saturday, although obviously disappointing for Kazoo as they have slid downhill after a good start.  Hope has won 3 in a row, however, the last two games will be tough ones - our last home game against Trine, then our "bye" weekend and then the final game against Albion on Nov 10th.  As far as your Mount, I tend to think they are "in the driver's seat" right now as far as The Stagg Bowl, although obviously there is a long way to go as yet.

Two of Sandoval's home run's are long outs in Comerica, maybe even the third.  The Giants could do no wrong and got every break to be had until Peralta's home run.  It happens in baseball sometimes.

There's a reason they play 7 games.

Now if you want to argue the Tigers are in trouble because they continue to swing anemic bats and their bullpen is mush, then you might have something. ;)

Get 1 in SF, then get back to the pitchers paradise of Comerica and lets see what happens.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2012, 02:01:48 AM
Now that this board is no longer being used for football ;), Thursday's WS game was extremely discouraging.  Bumgarner was totally in the toilet (weak for the last two months; pathetic in the postseason) and the Tigers made him look like Cy Young.  The Tigers get yet another (except for Verlander Wednesday) sterling starter performance by Fister, and totally waste it.  TWO freakin' hits??!!  Heck, his name begins BUM - shouldn't that tell you something??

I'm discouraged, but NOT feeling HOPEless - time for some home-field magic (maybe we can have some 'pop-up' third bases and 'tilted' third-base lines)!  Let's go back to SF with THEM having to win two more in a row - they have to run out of magic sometime?!! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 26, 2012, 09:00:20 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2012, 02:01:48 AM
Now that this board is no longer being used for football ;), Thursday's WS game was extremely discouraging.  Bumgarner was totally in the toilet (weak for the last two months; pathetic in the postseason) and the Tigers made him look like Cy Young.  The Tigers get yet another (except for Verlander Wednesday) sterling starter performance by Fister, and totally waste it.  TWO freakin' hits??!!  Heck, his name begins BUM - shouldn't that tell you something??

I'm discouraged, but NOT feeling HOPEless - time for some home-field magic (maybe we can have some 'pop-up' third bases and 'tilted' third-base lines)!  Let's go back to SF with THEM having to win two more in a row - they have to run out of magic sometime?!! ;D

Mr. Ypsi ... I grew up 90 miles from SF and have been a Giants fan ever since 1958 when they moved west.  Having suffered through some disappointing World Series with them ... I of course have a different perspective on these first two games than Tigers fans do ... and am quite happy with the results thus far.  I saw the Giants-Tigers series in inter-league play in 2011 and the Giants took two out of three at Comerica Park.  I can see the Tigers winning one at home again with the Giants going back to SF with the World Series Trophy after Game 5.  I also know it could go seven games with the Tigers coming out on top.   

Your "tilted third-base line" comment aside ... I think the first two games turned on the third-base bounce in the opener and in last night's game with Fielder having been sent home when he should have been held up at third (great tag by Posey) ... that's a long way for that big guy to run.  At any rate ... I look foward to more exciting baseball in the next few days.

Getting back to football ... are you going to be at the Hope - Trine game tomorrow?  I plan on it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 26, 2012, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 26, 2012, 09:00:20 AM

Your "tilted third-base line" comment aside ... I think the first two games turned on the third-base bounce in the opener and in last night's game with Fielder having been sent home when he should have been held up at third (great tag by Posey) ... that's a long way for that big guy to run.  At any rate ... I look foward to more exciting baseball in the next few days.


I saw no problem sending Fielder,  Scutero's throw had to be absolutely perfect, 6 inches to the right or up and Posey can't make that tag.  He was out by 2 inches.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 26, 2012, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2012, 02:01:48 AM
Now that this board is no longer being used for football ;), Thursday's WS game was extremely discouraging.  Bumgarner was totally in the toilet (weak for the last two months; pathetic in the postseason) and the Tigers made him look like Cy Young.  The Tigers get yet another (except for Verlander Wednesday) sterling starter performance by Fister, and totally waste it.  TWO freakin' hits??!!  Heck, his name begins BUM - shouldn't that tell you something??

I'm discouraged, but NOT feeling HOPEless - time for some home-field magic (maybe we can have some 'pop-up' third bases and 'tilted' third-base lines)!  Let's go back to SF with THEM having to win two more in a row - they have to run out of magic sometime?!! ;D
Maybe, but I think if they win one in Detroit it's going to be tough for the Tigers to come back.  Former, good luck to your Hope team tomorrow and sorry Mr. Y, I can't wish the same to your Titans :):), my IWU alum brother, however, might cheer once or twice for the wrong team.:):), but he better not be sitting close to me if he does that:):)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 26, 2012, 09:10:10 PM
Quote from: sac on October 26, 2012, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 26, 2012, 09:00:20 AM

Your "tilted third-base line" comment aside ... I think the first two games turned on the third-base bounce in the opener and in last night's game with Fielder having been sent home when he should have been held up at third (great tag by Posey) ... that's a long way for that big guy to run.  At any rate ... I look foward to more exciting baseball in the next few days.


I saw no problem sending Fielder,  Scutero's throw had to be absolutely perfect, 6 inches to the right or up and Posey can't make that tag.  He was out by 2 inches.

Or a few inches to the left and they're picking up pieces of Posey! ;D  I have mixed feelings about Lamont's call.  I really like aggressive baseball, but, in retrospect, I'd sure like a chance to see what happens with men on second and third and nobody out!  (It would also have been different if someone taught Prince how to slide - his lead leg was over the plate before the tag, but up in the air. :P)

Note to DBQ and ncf - no problem with the opposing loyalties; I'd hardly expect you to be rooting for the Tigers and Titans! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 27, 2012, 03:43:29 PM
Albion 21 Olivet 15   yikes!
Trine 45 Hope 28
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
sac (and all):

Yes, "yikes" regarding the Albion game.  I'm not sure what is going on with Albion.  They barely beat Kalamazoo and now Olivet.  With Hope smashing Kalamazoo last weekend and then the rather depressing loss against Trine yesterday, I don't know what to make about the Albion/Hope game in two weeks, other than to say we never play well down there at Albion. 

Speaking of the Hope game yesterday (and perhaps DBQ1965 might add his perspective for us), as I mentioned, it was a very disappointing loss, perhaps the most disappointing of the year.  Hope and Trine traded scores quite freely throughout the first half.  Trine taking a very bold chance with an onsides kick to start the game and with 6-7 minutes into the game and the score already 7-3, I knew it was going to be a potential scoring fest. However, Hope fell apart in the second half.  I think the momentum changer was obviously the horrible wrong call by the officials of the TD that was scored by our QB on the 1 yard line.  While I give Trine credit for a great goal line stand, Hope actually had scored twice i.e. on those last two plays.  He was clearly in the endzone without question -absolutely- and it was simply a very poor performance by the officiating crew. 

Now before anyone accuses me of saying that the officials cost Hope the game, I will make it perfectly clear that I am not saying that.  It was just a momentum changer and Hope did not execute thereafter like they should have.  Again, mistakes are costly as we all know and the Trine 93 yard TD on the fly pass on a 3rd and 4 in their own redzone is inexcusable - DB's simply cannot have a receiver run right by you.  After those plays, Hope's enthusiasm faded away and you could see that they were just going through the motions.

One last comment about the officiating - not a very good crew.  For veteran officials, they did a very poor job.  The Head Referree even at one time wasn't even blowing his whistle to stop plays but rather running to the pile and screaming..."it's over, it's over, it's over"- what's with that?  Some of them were, shall I say combative to staff on the sidelines as well and for no legit reason.  But...I'll stop as this is not "sour grapes", but rather simply an observation.  I thought the officiating had improved a bit last year and the first part of this year after very poor officiating for 4 years prior to that, however, I have now changed my mind.  Officiating is a tough, tough job, however, those who choose to do it need to know the rules and be consistent.  Enough said.

Also, for the Trine fans here, Trine is a much better team than many people have been saying.  Obviously, I have not seen them play earlier this season, however, even though they alternated scores with Hope yesterday in the first half, they steadily eventually manhandled Hope.  They are very fast and their line is huge.  Their #77 was bigger than any of our own linemen alone and #71 was even bigger than #77!  Those guys are DI size linemen and very good.  Anyway, I think that Trine will only continue to improve for next year and will be back as among the main contenders for the MIAA title.

Had Hope won yesterday's game, assuming Albion might beat Adrian next week, that would have meant the championship would be on the line at the Hope/Albion game Nov. 10th - a somewhat strange thought until yesterday evening.  However, it was not to be.  Hope has to regroup now and play for a final win for the seniors, although as I said, now.   

Finally, I will only say...

1) The Detroit Tigers are done.  Very disappointing performance in the World Series and it is sad to see them lose a second World Series in 6 years.

2) Michigan needs a new offensive coordinator/offensive staff.  Their play calling is horrid - simply horrid - for a second game in a row.

3) Michigan State, while a great win for them yesterday, was very, very lucky to win that game.  They have a great defense, however, the offense is mediocre still and while it was a great old fashioned Big Ten "smash mouth" game, Wisconsin blew the win for themselves.

4) Oklahoma also blew their chance at beating Notre Dame.  I still don't think ND is as good as some people say/think they are, but...they said that about Michigan last year and who can argue with an undefeated record so far?  Neat to see Florida lose yesterday and...how about that Northwestern?  7-2 (and they really should be at least 8-1).  "Go 'U Northwestern, march right down that field..."  ;D ;)

Later friends, I'm off to church!  Everyone have a blessed and great day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 28, 2012, 09:59:13 AM
formerd3db,

Thanks for your comments on the Raiders! Although Trine has a good team, from what I saw of the stats and big plays, Hope kind of gave the game away. If the title is between Adrian, Albion or Trine, how strong are they as a playoff contenders? :)

Agree, the Tigers are done, Michigan will have a tough time in Columbus, Glad to see the Spartans beat the Badgers! And ND is overrated, IMHO! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 03:48:35 PM
Raider68:
You are welcome!  As far as whoever wins our AQ for the MIAA, I believe they will have a tough time in trying to win that first playoff game.  All that said, I think it will be kind of interesting to see how all the playoff games in each region go this year.  I could be wrong, however, there seems to be slightly more parity overall this year, although certainly, we know that there are a handful of teams that are still in that upper tier for making it to the final four and eventually the Stagg Bowl, obviously Mount included.  One other minor thought comes to mind in that regard for example...although Wesley is again right up in that category, are they capable of getting past "blowing the big game" when it comes down to getting to the final four and/or semifinals?  I am not sure. :o ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 28, 2012, 04:37:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
sac (and all):

Yes, "yikes" regarding the Albion game.  I'm not sure what is going on with Albion.  They barely beat Kalamazoo and now Olivet.  With Hope smashing Kalamazoo last weekend and then the rather depressing loss against Trine yesterday, I don't know what to make about the Albion/Hope game in two weeks, other than to say we never play well down there at Albion. 

Speaking of the Hope game yesterday (and perhaps DBQ1965 might add his perspective for us), as I mentioned, it was a very disappointing loss, perhaps the most disappointing of the year.  Hope and Trine traded scores quite freely throughout the first half.  Trine taking a very bold chance with an onsides kick to start the game and with 6-7 minutes into the game and the score already 7-3, I knew it was going to be a potential scoring fest. However, Hope fell apart in the second half.  I think the momentum changer was obviously the horrible wrong call by the officials of the TD that was scored by our QB on the 1 yard line.  While I give Trine credit for a great goal line stand, Hope actually had scored twice i.e. on those last two plays.  He was clearly in the endzone without question -absolutely- and it was simply a very poor performance by the officiating crew. 

Now before anyone accuses me of saying that the officials cost Hope the game, I will make it perfectly clear that I am not saying that.  It was just a momentum changer and Hope did not execute thereafter like they should have.  Again, mistakes are costly as we all know and the Trine 93 yard TD on the fly pass on a 3rd and 4 in their own redzone is inexcusable - DB's simply cannot have a receiver run right by you.  After those plays, Hope's enthusiasm faded away and you could see that they were just going through the motions.

One last comment about the officiating - not a very good crew.  For veteran officials, they did a very poor job.  The Head Referree even at one time wasn't even blowing his whistle to stop plays but rather running to the pile and screaming..."it's over, it's over, it's over"- what's with that?  Some of them were, shall I say combative to staff on the sidelines as well and for no legit reason.  But...I'll stop as this is not "sour grapes", but rather simply an observation.  I thought the officiating had improved a bit last year and the first part of this year after very poor officiating for 4 years prior to that, however, I have now changed my mind.  Officiating is a tough, tough job, however, those who choose to do it need to know the rules and be consistent.  Enough said.

Also, for the Trine fans here, Trine is a much better team than many people have been saying.  Obviously, I have not seen them play earlier this season, however, even though they alternated scores with Hope yesterday in the first half, they steadily eventually manhandled Hope.  They are very fast and their line is huge.  Their #77 was bigger than any of our own linemen alone and #71 was even bigger than #77!  Those guys are DI size linemen and very good.  Anyway, I think that Trine will only continue to improve for next year and will be back as among the main contenders for the MIAA title.

Had Hope won yesterday's game, assuming Albion might beat Adrian next week, that would have meant the championship would be on the line at the Hope/Albion game Nov. 10th - a somewhat strange thought until yesterday evening.  However, it was not to be.  Hope has to regroup now and play for a final win for the seniors, although as I said, now.   

Finally, I will only say...

1) The Detroit Tigers are done.  Very disappointing performance in the World Series and it is sad to see them lose a second World Series in 6 years.

2) Michigan needs a new offensive coordinator/offensive staff.  Their play calling is horrid - simply horrid - for a second game in a row.

3) Michigan State, while a great win for them yesterday, was very, very lucky to win that game.  They have a great defense, however, the offense is mediocre still and while it was a great old fashioned Big Ten "smash mouth" game, Wisconsin blew the win for themselves.

4) Oklahoma also blew their chance at beating Notre Dame.  I still don't think ND is as good as some people say/think they are, but...they said that about Michigan last year and who can argue with an undefeated record so far?  Neat to see Florida lose yesterday and...how about that Northwestern?  7-2 (and they really should be at least 8-1).  "Go 'U Northwestern, march right down that field..."  ;D ;)

Later friends, I'm off to church!  Everyone have a blessed and great day.

If you like offense, the Hope-Trine game gave you plenty ... some great pass receptions on both sides and some terrific running by backs on both teams.  I thought Hope's fortunes turned on several plays ... (1) the Hope back on the return team not handling the opening kick-off and giving Trine an early opportunity, which the Thunder used.  (2) Hope throwing an interception after getting great field position following a Trine kick-off from the 20 thanks to a "celebration" penalty. (3) Hope's failure to score on  the Thunder's goal line stand ... I was standing even with the goal line (up on the visitor's side) and from my vantage point it didn't appear the ball got across the goal line.

As far as the officiating was concerned, it was spotty at best.  During pre-game warm-ups, the two die-hard Trine fans I was sitting next to groaned audibly when the officials came out on the field.  One fan complained about the Referee who he said had screwed Trine in an earlier game and had it in for the Thunder.  I too noticed the absence of consistent whistles.  Plus I thought the celebration call against Trine was "bush."

All in all, as a D3 fan, I got my money's worth.  Still, I felt bad for Hope ... though somewhere in the 3rd quarter they did seem to lose enthusiasm for the game.

By the way, the brats with peppers and onions were great!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 28, 2012, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 09:36:49 AM

2) Michigan needs a new offensive coordinator/offensive staff.  Their play calling is horrid - simply horrid - for a second game in a row.


I forget exactly now but read this morning this is the first time Michigan has gone two games in row without scoring a TD since 1961 or 62, that team went 2-7.

If anything yesterday demonstrated perfectly that you always recruit a QB, every year, regardless of your depth chart..........also think twice about converting your best backup QB into a WR.  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 05:21:00 PM
DBQ1965:

As always, thanks for your observations/comments.  I pretty much agree with your assessments...with one exception.  Regarding the Trine goal line stand, Hope indeed scored on both those plays that were called non-scoring.  I had a much closer view than you as I was standing right down there by the goal on Hope's side (the ball was closer to Hope's hash-side of the field) and clearly saw both plays - no question he scored.  Heck, when they pulled him out of the pile on the second attempt, Atwell was clearly 1 1/2 yards into the endzone (he did not crawl further before the pile was unveiled) -so there was no way he didn't score.  In the first attempt, the ball clearly broke the plane.  Those were simply two blown calls by the officials.

That said, it was a momentum changer, however, as I mentioned, IMO, that did not lose the game for Hope.  You are right, just too many mistakes to overcome. Hope's special teams did not come through either (with the exception our field goal/extra point kicker) as the kickoff and kickoff return teams had poor tackling, were out of position, overran plays and simply did not make the stops when they needed during those portions, giving up way to much yardage.

Anyway, I agree with you about the excessive celebration penalty-a bogus call on the part of the officials.

Finally, in regards to your BTW, I am sorry I missed the brats!  I really wanted to get one at halftime, but was busy with team duties. :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: sac on October 28, 2012, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 09:36:49 AM

2) Michigan needs a new offensive coordinator/offensive staff.  Their play calling is horrid - simply horrid - for a second game in a row.


I forget exactly now but read this morning this is the first time Michigan has gone two games in row without scoring a TD since 1961 or 62, that team went 2-7.

If anything yesterday demonstrated perfectly that you always recruit a QB, every year, regardless of your depth chart..........also think twice about converting your best backup QB into a WR.  ::)

I agree with you about the QB recruiting.  Yet at the same time, I think you'd have to agree with me about Michigan's offensive play calling the last two games.  Horrid, simply horrid.  They need to go back to the power I, mis-direction and play-action run/pass type of offense.  Michigan's offensive coordinator just hasn't mixed it up enough of recent as well as they need to take a chance sometime and pull out some trick plays. Michigan's line is big, however, you can't continue to try and jam through there with people keying on Robinson - as good and quick as he is, it's not going to work all the time and they need to get him outside for options of then running or throwing, IMO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 28, 2012, 06:56:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 05:21:00 PM
DBQ1965:

As always, thanks for your observations/comments.  I pretty much agree with your assessments...with one exception.  Regarding the Trine goal line stand, Hope indeed scored on both those plays that were called non-scoring.  I had a much closer view than you as I was standing right down there by the goal on Hope's side (the ball was closer to Hope's hash-side of the field) and clearly saw both plays - no question he scored.  Heck, when they pulled him out of the pile on the second attempt, Atwell was clearly 1 1/2 yards into the endzone (he did not crawl further before the pile was unveiled) -so there was no way he didn't score.  In the first attempt, the ball clearly broke the plane.  Those were simply two blown calls by the officials.



That said, it was a momentum changer, however, as I mentioned, IMO, that did not lose the game for Hope.  You are right, just too many mistakes to overcome. Hope's special teams did not come through either (with the exception our field goal/extra point kicker) as the kickoff and kickoff return teams had poor tackling, were out of position, overran plays and simply did not make the stops when they needed during those portions, giving up way to much yardage.

Anyway, I agree with you about the excessive celebration penalty-a bogus call on the part of the officials.

Finally, in regards to your BTW, I am sorry I missed the brats!  I really wanted to get one at halftime, but was busy with team duties. :)

You had a better/closer view of the goal line stand than I did then so I'll take your word for it.  Whatever "oomph" Hope had left died on the field then.  It had to be disappointing for the Hope faithful in the stands. 

Maybe there can be some redemption against Albion.  I saw the Albion-Wheaton game and there were two different Britons teams that day.  If the team that beat Wheaton shows up, Hope is doomed.

What are your "team responsibilities" for Hope?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 28, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
No negatives from the Scots to report about this week! I really didn't see a single bad thing from their performance this weekend!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 11:12:23 PM
DBQ1965:
And I will certainly take your word about Albion as you've seen them play.  Your assessment is kind of what my "gut feeling" is from simply what we've read/heard about them here on the boards during the season, although that hasn't been much from the Albion faithful here, especially in recent weeks for some reason.  Also, I will "PM" you to answer your other question. :D ;)

sflzman:
I think that Alma will have a good chance at winning a second game this year against Kalamazoo as Kazoo has pretty much self-imploded the last 4 weeks (although they almost beat Albion).  Yet, I think that Trine will just be too strong for your Alma team in the season final.  Stranger things have happened, however. :o ::) ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on October 29, 2012, 08:14:07 AM
things no one ever says "Michigan should go back to the power I" -_-
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on October 29, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 28, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
No negatives from the Scots to report about this week! I really didn't see a single bad thing from their performance this weekend!  ;D ;D

The creativity of the offensive play calling was the same this week, as the prior weeks.  just sayin....   :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on October 29, 2012, 09:32:04 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 28, 2012, 04:37:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 28, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
sac (and all):

Yes, "yikes" regarding the Albion game.  I'm not sure what is going on with Albion.  They barely beat Kalamazoo and now Olivet.  With Hope smashing Kalamazoo last weekend and then the rather depressing loss against Trine yesterday, I don't know what to make about the Albion/Hope game in two weeks, other than to say we never play well down there at Albion. 

Speaking of the Hope game yesterday (and perhaps DBQ1965 might add his perspective for us), as I mentioned, it was a very disappointing loss, perhaps the most disappointing of the year.  Hope and Trine traded scores quite freely throughout the first half.  Trine taking a very bold chance with an onsides kick to start the game and with 6-7 minutes into the game and the score already 7-3, I knew it was going to be a potential scoring fest. However, Hope fell apart in the second half.  I think the momentum changer was obviously the horrible wrong call by the officials of the TD that was scored by our QB on the 1 yard line.  While I give Trine credit for a great goal line stand, Hope actually had scored twice i.e. on those last two plays.  He was clearly in the endzone without question -absolutely- and it was simply a very poor performance by the officiating crew. 

Now before anyone accuses me of saying that the officials cost Hope the game, I will make it perfectly clear that I am not saying that.  It was just a momentum changer and Hope did not execute thereafter like they should have.  Again, mistakes are costly as we all know and the Trine 93 yard TD on the fly pass on a 3rd and 4 in their own redzone is inexcusable - DB's simply cannot have a receiver run right by you.  After those plays, Hope's enthusiasm faded away and you could see that they were just going through the motions.

One last comment about the officiating - not a very good crew.  For veteran officials, they did a very poor job.  The Head Referree even at one time wasn't even blowing his whistle to stop plays but rather running to the pile and screaming..."it's over, it's over, it's over"- what's with that?  Some of them were, shall I say combative to staff on the sidelines as well and for no legit reason.  But...I'll stop as this is not "sour grapes", but rather simply an observation.  I thought the officiating had improved a bit last year and the first part of this year after very poor officiating for 4 years prior to that, however, I have now changed my mind.  Officiating is a tough, tough job, however, those who choose to do it need to know the rules and be consistent.  Enough said.

Also, for the Trine fans here, Trine is a much better team than many people have been saying.  Obviously, I have not seen them play earlier this season, however, even though they alternated scores with Hope yesterday in the first half, they steadily eventually manhandled Hope.  They are very fast and their line is huge.  Their #77 was bigger than any of our own linemen alone and #71 was even bigger than #77!  Those guys are DI size linemen and very good.  Anyway, I think that Trine will only continue to improve for next year and will be back as among the main contenders for the MIAA title.

Had Hope won yesterday's game, assuming Albion might beat Adrian next week, that would have meant the championship would be on the line at the Hope/Albion game Nov. 10th - a somewhat strange thought until yesterday evening.  However, it was not to be.  Hope has to regroup now and play for a final win for the seniors, although as I said, now.   

Finally, I will only say...

1) The Detroit Tigers are done.  Very disappointing performance in the World Series and it is sad to see them lose a second World Series in 6 years.

2) Michigan needs a new offensive coordinator/offensive staff.  Their play calling is horrid - simply horrid - for a second game in a row.

3) Michigan State, while a great win for them yesterday, was very, very lucky to win that game.  They have a great defense, however, the offense is mediocre still and while it was a great old fashioned Big Ten "smash mouth" game, Wisconsin blew the win for themselves.

4) Oklahoma also blew their chance at beating Notre Dame.  I still don't think ND is as good as some people say/think they are, but...they said that about Michigan last year and who can argue with an undefeated record so far?  Neat to see Florida lose yesterday and...how about that Northwestern?  7-2 (and they really should be at least 8-1).  "Go 'U Northwestern, march right down that field..."  ;D ;)

Later friends, I'm off to church!  Everyone have a blessed and great day.

If you like offense, the Hope-Trine game gave you plenty ... some great pass receptions on both sides and some terrific running by backs on both teams.  I thought Hope's fortunes turned on several plays ... (1) the Hope back on the return team not handling the opening kick-off and giving Trine an early opportunity, which the Thunder used.  (2) Hope throwing an interception after getting great field position following a Trine kick-off from the 20 thanks to a "celebration" penalty. (3) Hope's failure to score on  the Thunder's goal line stand ... I was standing even with the goal line (up on the visitor's side) and from my vantage point it didn't appear the ball got across the goal line.

As far as the officiating was concerned, it was spotty at best.  During pre-game warm-ups, the two die-hard Trine fans I was sitting next to groaned audibly when the officials came out on the field.  One fan complained about the Referee who he said had screwed Trine in an earlier game and had it in for the Thunder.  I too noticed the absence of consistent whistles.  Plus I thought the celebration call against Trine was "bush."

All in all, as a D3 fan, I got my money's worth.  Still, I felt bad for Hope ... though somewhere in the 3rd quarter they did seem to lose enthusiasm for the game.

By the way, the brats with peppers and onions were great!
I don't think you were sitting next to me but I too groaned when I saw the officials come out on to the field. That crew is simply not good and should not be doing High School varsity football let alone college games.

Am I wrong in assuming that Adrian has wrapped up the automatic qualifier for the MIAA, They are undefeated in league play and with one game left against Albion the worst they do is end up with one league loss, which would tie them with Trine and Albion if either or both of them win out. I believe the tie breaker is the team that hasn't gone to the playoffs the longest, which would be Adrian. Again, I am assuming here and I know what that can do.

You definitely missed out, the brats were awesome!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 29, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: sac on October 22, 2012, 03:29:40 PM

103.  Adrian
106.  Albion
113.  Trine
157.  Hope
172.  Kalamazoo
215.  Alma
233.  Olivet


This week's massey

97.    Adrian
106.  Trine
116.  Albion
163.  Hope
178.  Kalamazoo
214.  Alma
230.  Olivet

Got one in the top 100.  Rejoice!


Saturday, October 27
Adrian at Albion 1 p.m.
Olivet at Trine, 1 p.m.
Kalamazoo at Alma, 1 p.m.

Probability of victory
Adrian 57%.....its got to be higher?
Trine 100%
Kalamazoo 68%
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 02:21:03 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on October 29, 2012, 08:14:07 AM
things no one ever says "Michigan should go back to the power I" -_-

Oh, but I wish they would, my friend. :o :)  I think they would do very well with it, even in this modern era.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 02:26:05 PM
Quote from: sac on October 29, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: sac on October 22, 2012, 03:29:40 PM

103.  Adrian
106.  Albion
113.  Trine
157.  Hope
172.  Kalamazoo
215.  Alma
233.  Olivet


This week's massey

97.    Adrian
106.  Trine
116.  Albion
163.  Hope
178.  Kalamazoo
214.  Alma
230.  Olivet

Got one in the top 100.  Rejoice!


Saturday, October 27
Adrian at Albion 1 p.m.
Olivet at Trine, 1 p.m.
Kalamazoo at Alma, 1 p.m.

Probability of victory
Adrian 57%.....its got to be higher?
Trine 100%
Kalamazoo 68%

sac:

I think that could change Saturday.  Adrian is good, yet while Albion has not been playing perhaps as well they should or could, they find a way to beat people and I think they have a good chance of beating Adrian.  As DBQ1965 astutely mentioned, it depends on which Albion team shows up this Saturday.  IMO, the % prediction listed is probably about right, and probably because of how Albion has that knack of finding a way to win (wow...do I hate admitting that!!! :o ::) :D ;) :P)

P.S.  I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks Michigan's offensive play calling has been horrendous.  I know there are others here who think so as well, yet I was glad to hear Huge (of the Huge Show i.e. Bill Simenson on sports radio) over in Grand Rapids mention that today on his pre-show previews. ;)  He was posing the question many of us have had...i.e. "what's up with Al Borgess -what on earth is he thinking??? ???)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on October 29, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 28, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
No negatives from the Scots to report about this week! I really didn't see a single bad thing from their performance this weekend!  ;D ;D

The creativity of the offensive play calling was the same this week, as the prior weeks.  just sayin....   :-\

Sounds like they are taking/following a page out of Michigan's offensive coordinator's (A.B.) playbook! :o ;D :D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 29, 2012, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 02:26:05 PM
P.S.  I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks Michigan's offensive play calling has been horrendous.  I know there are others here who think so as well, yet I was glad to hear Huge (of the Huge Show i.e. Bill Simenson on sports radio) over in Grand Rapids mention that today on his pre-show previews. ;)  He was posing the question many of us have had...i.e. "what's up with Al Borgess -what on earth is he thinking??? ???)

square peg, round holes as opposed to the round peg, square holes of the other guy whose in Arizona.  There was actually nothing wrong with Michigan's offense right up to the point Robinson got hurt.  Its Nebraska on the road, at night its not supposed to be easy.

Wait till next year when its a true Fr. QB and up to four new offensive lineman.  Fun!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 04:30:05 PM
sac:
My friend, I hate to disagree with you because you are always "right on".  Yet, I respectfully disagree with you in that Michigan's offense has been anything but good the last two games.  The play selection has simply been horrible - IMO, as I mentioned, you can't call almost every play for Robinson and/or the RB to jam it up the middle on that read option/delay - they need to do more roll-out/play action so as to open it up.  It was clear that both Michigan State and Nebraska was jamming them and keying on just that and that is a big reason they lost, aside from "which Denard shows up" at each game. ::) :D ;)

I think you will see the other teams trying to do the same.  And if Denard is not able to go, they (the offensive line) will need to do a much better job in protecting Bellemy. He is not that bad a QB; obviously he doesn't have the experience, yet, I believe that if they (the line) give him a chance, he can do the job.  Obviously, the o-line failed at that when he had to come in relief of Denard.  Just my $0.02 worth! :D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on October 29, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on October 29, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 28, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
No negatives from the Scots to report about this week! I really didn't see a single bad thing from their performance this weekend!  ;D ;D

The creativity of the offensive play calling was the same this week, as the prior weeks.  just sayin....   :-\

Sounds like they are taking/following a page out of Michigan's offensive coordinator's (A.B.) playbook! :o ;D :D :)

For Alma's staff....   the 1970's called....they want their offense back. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 04:42:44 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on October 29, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on October 29, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: sflzman on October 28, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
No negatives from the Scots to report about this week! I really didn't see a single bad thing from their performance this weekend!  ;D ;D

The creativity of the offensive play calling was the same this week, as the prior weeks.  just sayin....   :-\

Sounds like they are taking/following a page out of Michigan's offensive coordinator's (A.B.) playbook! :o ;D :D :)

For Alma's staff....   the 1970's called....they want their offense back. ;D

Good one AlmaFan! :o ::) ;)  As much as I'm sure that perhaps a few people would like to see the "Run and Shoot" return i.e. Leister's famed "ScotGun" offense of the 1990's-2000's, from what I know (what little I know I should say ;D) and have seen this year when we played Alma, they indeed would be better served with a different type of offense as you mention (of course, the kind of results you allude to as well, regardless of the type of offense run). :)   

I think your Alma will have a goog chance at beating Kalamazoo (the latter of which has self-imploded the last 4 weeks, unfortunately for them).  However, after seeing Trine play us this weekend, I think a victory in that won is less likely for Alma.  But...as that old saying goes..."you never know on any given Saturday". :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bricklin1132 on October 29, 2012, 09:11:45 PM
I went to the Adrian and Trine JV game on Sunday at Trine. It was a good turnout with about 750 people at the game. Mostly Trine. But tail of two teams. Adrian definately had the better team but a complete lack of disicpline. The mistakes were embarassing and the coaching squad had a hard time controling their players. One costly penality after another.I spent my time on the Adrian side and the discussion was about the elidgibility of many of the JV players. Over 50% were on acedemic probation. That is a Huge number and it was mostly centered around their recruiting binge in Floridia. Most of those boys have or will head home.The Trine squad played hard and lacked the talent of Adrian. However, one of their JV quarterbacks number 7 as i don't know his name was an excellent player. Adrian won 21-20 but it was not as close as the number stated as Adrian took a knee on the Trine 1.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2012, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Bricklin1132 on October 29, 2012, 09:11:45 PM
I went to the Adrian and Trine JV game on Sunday at Trine. It was a good turnout with about 750 people at the game. Mostly Trine. But tail of two teams. Adrian definately had the better team but a complete lack of disicpline. The mistakes were embarassing and the coaching squad had a hard time controling their players. One costly penality after another.I spent my time on the Adrian side and the discussion was about the elidgibility of many of the JV players. Over 50% were on acedemic probation. That is a Huge number and it was mostly centered around their recruiting binge in Floridia. Most of those boys have or will head home.The Trine squad played hard and lacked the talent of Adrian. However, one of their JV quarterbacks number 7 as i don't know his name was an excellent player. Adrian won 21-20 but it was not as close as the number stated as Adrian took a knee on the Trine 1.

That's unfortunate.  While having the high numbers turn out for football at Adrian (and hence their enrollment) is nice, it doesn't change the fact that regardless of where any student-athlete comes from, they still need to "make the grade".  If you don't take care of responsibilities in the classroom, you don't get the privilege or opportunity on the field.  I hope for their sake, they (those players) take the necessary steps to rectify the problems/deficiencies.  I assume that Adrian College has the necessary assistance parameters/programs i.e. tutors, counselors, etc., in plance to help them, although obviously, if the main problem is self discipline by the students, then that is their (the student's) own problem and responsibility.

However, from what you share with us via your sideline conversations and information gathering, it appears that will probably be less likely - i.e. if they "bag it" and head home.  I hope that is not the case; then again, I guess everyone has to make their own personal decisions and do what they think is best for themselves at that particular time.  Again, very unfortunate and sad, but...I guess that is the chance both sides (they and the school take).  We all know the rules and what is necessary.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 31, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
Interesting that Baldwin-Wallace announces an all-sport post-season ban today:

http://d3hoops.com/notables/2012/10/baldwin-wallace-postseason-ban

Then tonight Saint Mary's women's soccer vacates their bid in this year's MIAA tournament after they take down K-zoo in a must-win for them this afternoon.

(miaa.org for the "extent" of the details for that one)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
sflzman:

Thanks for the info-I hadn't heard until you mentioned it.  The MIAA website doesn't provide any specific details, nor did St. Mary's, other than to simply announce the ban.  Is there something "in the air or water" down there in Indiana re: DePauw and now St. Mary's? :o ::) :D ;)

Everyone:

It is kind of quiet in here, surprisingly and particularly since this weekend's Albion/Adrian game could (well, it actually is) a key to who wins the MIAA title.  Thus, what are anyone's predictions as to that game?  Also, the Alma/Kalamazoo game and Trine/Olivet game (the latter with some "semi" significance in regards to the former Trine/now Olivet coaches facing their former team)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2012, 03:44:28 PM
sflzman:

Also, not to pick on you and your Alma colleagues, nonetheless, quite a pathetic crowd turnout for the Alma/Albion game at Bahlke Stadium last weekend...908.  Must have seemed very sparse.  On the other hand, I guess that is to be expected when your team has only one win and is not playing well (unless it was Fall Break at Alma, although I hadn't heard that it was).  Two games left so all they can do is play hard (again, I think they will beat Kalamazoo) and then look forward to next year, of which I have not doubt Alma will be vastly improved.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on November 01, 2012, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
sflzman:
Thanks for the info-I hadn't heard until you mentioned it.  The MIAA website doesn't provide and specific details, nor did St. Mary's, other than to simply announce the ban.  Is there something "in the air or water" down there in Indiana re: DePauw and now St. Mary's? :o ::) :D ;)

Everyone:

It is kind of quiet in here, surprisingly and particularly since this weekend's Albion/Adrian game could (well, it actually is) a key to who wins the MIAA title.  Thus, what are anyone's predictions as to that game?  Also, the Alma/Kalamazoo game and Trine/Olivet game (the later with some "semi" significance in regards to the former Trine/now Olivet coaches facing their former team)?

I know 'hope' isn't a strategy....but I hope that Alma finds a way to limit mistakes, find some creativity in their offense, and win their final home game for this group of seniors.   8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on November 01, 2012, 03:48:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2012, 03:44:28 PM
sflzman:

Also, not to pick on you and your Alma colleagues, nonetheless, quite a pathetic crowd turnout for the Alma/Albion game at Bahlke Stadium last weekend...908.  Must have seemed very sparse.  On the other hand, I guess that is to be expected when your team has only one win and is not playing well (unless it was Fall Break at Alma, although I hadn't heard that it was).  Two games left so all they can do is play hard (again, I think they will beat Kalamazoo) and then look forward to next year, of which I have not doubt Alma will be vastly improved.

I believe it was their fall break.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2012, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on November 01, 2012, 03:48:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2012, 03:44:28 PM
sflzman:

Also, not to pick on you and your Alma colleagues, nonetheless, quite a pathetic crowd turnout for the Alma/Albion game at Bahlke Stadium last weekend...908.  Must have seemed very sparse.  On the other hand, I guess that is to be expected when your team has only one win and is not playing well (unless it was Fall Break at Alma, although I hadn't heard that it was).  Two games left so all they can do is play hard (again, I think they will beat Kalamazoo) and then look forward to next year, of which I have not doubt Alma will be vastly improved.

I believe it was thier fall break.
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on November 01, 2012, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
sflzman:
Thanks for the info-I hadn't heard until you mentioned it.  The MIAA website doesn't provide and specific details, nor did St. Mary's, other than to simply announce the ban.  Is there something "in the air or water" down there in Indiana re: DePauw and now St. Mary's? :o ::) :D ;)

Everyone:

It is kind of quiet in here, surprisingly and particularly since this weekend's Albion/Adrian game could (well, it actually is) a key to who wins the MIAA title.  Thus, what are anyone's predictions as to that game?  Also, the Alma/Kalamazoo game and Trine/Olivet game (the later with some "semi" significance in regards to the former Trine/now Olivet coaches facing their former team)?

I know 'hope' isn't a strategy....but I hope that Alma finds a way to limit mistakes, find some creativity in their offense, and win their final home game for this group of seniors.   8-)

AlmaFan:

First, I agree, that would be nice for the Alma seniors.  Second, that (i.e. if it was Fall Break) would make sense.  Even when some teams like Alma and Hope are on Fall Break, they still usually have well over 1,000 in attendance for games like that and even when they are not playing well.  In addition, I always find it strange that they (any College) would schedule a home game on Fall Break when they know the majority of students will be gone for the weekend.  On the other hand, I suppose that is just not always possible each year with regard to how the schedule simply ends up being i.e. it is probably inevitable that someone has to have a game scheduled for a "home" game on occasion despite it being their Fall Break. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 02, 2012, 10:37:23 AM
It was fall break but even so there was nobody there.  Athletic crowds have been sparse all fall.  The "Maroon Monsoon" has kind of gone into hiding this year after such a strong innaugural season last year.

The one bright spot has been the "Throwdown in A-Town" which had 700 students in attendance! That's a huge number considering the whole campus has a shade over 1400.  Plus inside that gym being as loud as it is that was a really cool event.

We're expecting a win on Saturday.  Alma just needs to take care of business, and limit tournovers and they should be fine.  Defensively this team has been pretty good all year (with the exception of UW-Oshkosh, but Oshkosh is also a national title contender this year)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on November 02, 2012, 02:28:33 PM


We're expecting a win on Saturday.  Alma just needs to take care of business, and limit tournovers and they should be fine.  Defensively this team has been pretty good all year (with the exception of UW-Oshkosh, but Oshkosh is also a national title contender this year)
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sflzman....you make it sound so easy.  :o   Defensively, this team has been average at best.  Granted, the lack of offense has contributed to the defense being put in some difficult positions.  But, at the end of the day, the defense has also been inconsistent, and the special teams have been a huge disappointment.

Good luck to the Scots tomorrow.  It looks like it's going to be a nice day to watch a football game in Alma.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 02, 2012, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on November 02, 2012, 02:28:33 PM


We're expecting a win on Saturday.  Alma just needs to take care of business, and limit tournovers and they should be fine.  Defensively this team has been pretty good all year (with the exception of UW-Oshkosh, but Oshkosh is also a national title contender this year)

sflzman....you make it sound so easy.  :o   Defensively, this team has been average at best.  Granted, the lack of offense has contributed to the defense being put in some difficult positions.  But, at the end of the day, the defense has also been inconsistent, and the special teams have been a huge disappointment.

Good luck to the Scots tomorrow.  It looks like it's going to be a nice day to watch a football game in Alma.
[/quote]

Hit the nail on the head there. SPECIAL TEAMS.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 03, 2012, 01:23:44 PM
Adrian leads in the 1st quarter ... 7-0.  Albion two series of 3 and out.  Good video quality.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 03, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
Adrian 13-3 ... halftime.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 03, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
Midway of 3rd quarter ... Adrian up 13-10.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 03, 2012, 02:42:33 PM
Time to switch over to my alma mater. No more Adrian-Albion scores.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on November 03, 2012, 04:08:17 PM
Controversial ending in Albion as the officials rule Albion's Darrin Williams down short of the goal line on an all-or-nothing 2 point conversion in overtime. Congratulations to Adrian on their MIAA championship.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 03, 2012, 08:13:12 PM
Adrian 20, Albion 19, ot
Trine 49, Olivet 21
Kalamazoo 17, Alma 13
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2012, 09:10:34 AM
Here's the Albion take on the game
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/5062-inches-short

Really can't disagree with the decision to go for two after the penalty
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2012, 03:59:31 PM
Congrats to the Adrian Bulldogs for winning the conference and are now in the playoffs!
Can they get past the first round, assuming they will be in the North bracket? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2012, 04:27:35 PM
Quote from: sac on November 04, 2012, 09:10:34 AM
Here's the Albion take on the game
http://www.albion.edu/sports/mens-sports/football/5062-inches-short

Really can't disagree with the decision to go for two after the penalty

I guess I am a little more conservative.  I would not have gone for two (unless it was in the O.T. period that requires a team to do so (i.e. after 3rd OT or is it the 2nd one?).  You are going "all or none" and while a PAT is not guaranteed obviously, I think they would have had a better chance of making it than going for 2 at that particular point.  Then, by tying the game, you can always go for the win - when you have to in one of the later potential situations i.e. your last chance of winning the game after they might have scored OR again, being required to go for two per the rules.  Just MO. ;D ;)

Anyway, congratulations to Adrian for winning the title and now hopefully they will get past the first round of the playoffs - after they focus on winning their last regular season game next week, of course.

As far as Alma, wow - I thought they would beat Kazoo.  At the same time, although Kazoo lost several games in a row, some of those were close like this win was for them. 

Will Olivet win a game this year anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2012, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on November 03, 2012, 04:08:17 PM
Controversial ending in Albion as the officials rule Albion's Darrin Williams down short of the goal line on an all-or-nothing 2 point conversion in overtime. Congratulations to Adrian on their MIAA championship.

What was controversial about it?  Was it an incorrect i.e. botched call or are you calling it controversial because they went for two?  If you are alleging it was an incorrect call, will the films show it and/or were you or any of your colleagues down on the sidelines close enough to make the observation?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on November 04, 2012, 08:16:03 PM
[quote author=formerd3db link=topic=3548.msg1460947#msg1460947 date=1352064847
What was controversial about it?  Was it an incorrect i.e. botched call or are you calling it controversial because they went for two?  If you are alleging it was an incorrect call, will the films show it and/or were you or any of your colleagues down on the sidelines close enough to make the observation?  Just curious.
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It was a controversial call because of how close it was. You can view the final play here http://www.ustream.tv/channel/albionsports, it starts at about 2:45. We obviously have a terrible view of it, so there is no way to say if he made it or not, but you can see how close it was.

I am curious to know from anyone that was there what was "classless," as the announcers put it, about the Adrian celebration.  By the time the camera panned over, it just looked like Adrian was celebrating midfield. Did the Adrian players do something before that? If that's all that took place, I don't see what's wrong with that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on November 04, 2012, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: waxx on November 04, 2012, 08:16:03 PM
[quote author=formerd3db link=topic=3548.msg1460947#msg1460947 date=1352064847
What was controversial about it?  Was it an incorrect i.e. botched call or are you calling it controversial because they went for two?  If you are alleging it was an incorrect call, will the films show it and/or were you or any of your colleagues down on the sidelines close enough to make the observation?  Just curious.

It was a controversial call because of how close it was. You can view the final play here http://www.ustream.tv/channel/albionsports, it starts at about 2:45. We obviously have a terrible view of it, so there is no way to say if he made it or not, but you can see how close it was.

I am curious to know from anyone that was there what was "classless," as the announcers put it, about the Adrian celebration.  By the time the camera panned over, it just looked like Adrian was celebrating midfield. Did the Adrian players do something before that? If that's all that took place, I don't see what's wrong with that.
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I was at the game and it was impossible to tell if he crossed the goal line.  My son who was on the field for that play said he thought he got it but it was very close.
I think what the announcers were referring to was the fact that Adrian would not line up to shake hands after the game.  Which I agree with his assessment 100%.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2012, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: waxx on November 04, 2012, 08:16:03 PM

It was a controversial call because of how close it was. You can view the final play here http://www.ustream.tv/channel/albionsports, it starts at about 2:45. We obviously have a terrible view of it, so there is no way to say if he made it or not, but you can see how close it was.


That is dang close, but championship teams can move the ball 1 1/2 yards.   Any coach will tell you that. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
WOW - what a rough way to lose a game (and a likely title and playoff bid) - looked good to me, but it is true that the angle makes it impossible to know for sure.

I can understand the controversy! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
Well, let's be perfectly honest here. 

First, unless any of you were down on the field and in direct line with vision of the line of scrimmage (like I was during our game with Trine last week in which Hope's QB definitely crossed the goal line to score on both attempts, which was clearly a blown call by the officials), then no one can say for sure that the Albion player scored.  You simply cannot tell from the angle of the film that is presented here in the link (his knee might have touched first even, but again, you can't tell from that video angle).

Secondly, I think it is somewhat disingenuous for Albion supporters (including the announcers of that video clip we've seen) to imply that ALL of the Adrian players did a classless act in not shaking hands with the Albion players.  The video shows without a doubt that several Adrian players did in fact come over to shake hands and congratulate Albion players.  That said, for those other Adrian players who did not do so (and there were certainly a large number who did not), that was indeed showing a lack of class.  Yet, again to imply that all Adrian people did so is simply a false statement - period (and that is certainly what is implied by the comments of the announcers on the audio of the video clip shown).  As such, I hope that the Adrian coaches said something to their players about the appropriate display of sportsmanship after the game regardless of whether you lose or win.

I would agree with Mr. Ypsi, though, that it is a tough and disappointing way for any game to end regardless of whether it is for a championship or not.  I think we would all agree, however, that it just hurts a little more for the losing team when it is such a perhaps more important game for the "higher stakes" such as this one was.  Lastly, it somewhat comes back to my previously expressed personal opinions that the quality of the officiating in the MIAA has unfortunately started declining again this year back towards what it was 3 and 4 years ago and that is very disappointing.


 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on November 05, 2012, 08:53:28 AM
formerd3db, I was in the stands at that end of the field approximately at the 30 yard line.  I could not tell from my angle.  I have even watched a different video, same angle mind you and you can not tell.  Like I said in my previous post, my son was on the field during that play and he thought Darren had gotten in.  Gutsy call either way.  I have not seen the view from the platform lift in the end zone.  I would think that might be more definetive.  Mute point either way, the call was what it was.  I do not think it was a poorly officiated game.  Not the best but not generally I feel all of the calls made were correctly Saturday.

As to my comment agreeing with the commentators in the video, I stand by my statement.  I was at the game and witnesses first hand what I saw.  If you rewatch the video, right after the play at 3:13 a fan comes into frame from the end zone, how he got there that fast I do not know.  He was dressed in a yellow/black Adrian jacket.  He walks up to our players crossing his arms and in a censored quote, he was telling our players they were 'freakin female genitials'.  It went down hill from there.  At 3:33 you see our AD in Khaki pants and a lt grey jacket.  At 4:00 at about the 40 yard line an Adrian 'personel' in team gear came over was trying to get into an altercation with our team.  He and the AD can be seen 'talking and pointing fingers'.  Again, I witnessed this first hand and was told by our players what was being said by this person.  I am sure not all Adrian players were acting in this way, but I do know that the coaches did not have control of their players and they did not line up to shake hands.  To top all of this on the field off, some time later, after we had visited with our son on the field, in the parking lot next to the Kellogg Center, two Adrian players, still in the uniforms mind you, and 3-4 people in team sweat outfits walked through the parents tailgating area yelling and getting in verbal rants with parents. We were walking back to visit our son at his Frat house and did not stick around to see where this went.  I can only imagine how bad it could have gotten.

I will say how proud I am of our team the way they have played these last few weeks with the injuries that we have incurred.  They could have packed it in a couple of weeks ago but have soldiered on.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2012, 09:11:45 AM
vandyboy:

I do not dispute your version of what you witnessed - obviously I wasn't there.  However, I do know some Adrian people and they related some similar behavior from Albion players.  All I was saying in my post is that not all the Adrian players acted in a poor manor - it is absolutely clear that several came over to some Albion players and are seen shaking hands and embracing them at mid-field in the video.  Of course, not everyone is able to witness all acts that go on at the field after the final gun is sounded with players, parents, coaches, administrators, friends, etc. all mingling on the field - that is impossible.  That said, poor behavior by any player or coach for either team is inexcusable.

I agree with you that the call is what it was.  Obviously, your son was in a position to see it.  Yet, as you say, it is done and time to move on.  I also don't dispute your opinion of how the game was called.  I'm simply saying that from what I've witnessed this year, the officiating has not been good for either team in some of the games we've been involved - and that applies to calls that even went in our favor at times, so I am not being biased (I never am anyway :o ::) ;D ;)).

Nonetheless, we'll see you this Saturday at the game in Albion.  I am hoping for good weather. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on November 05, 2012, 01:40:45 PM
Formerd3db,

I agree 100% that I am sure not all of the Adrian players behaved in that manner.  It was just sad to see the lack of control from my perspective.

I have to say that we (Albion) have been lucky as far as our officiating goes.  Wait.....now that I say that, when we lost to Trine, the fumble recovery that was returned for a TD, which wound up being the difference in the game, when I watched the game film, our RB was clearly down when the ball came out.  But, you have to remember that the refs have to call things in real time.  No replays.  What is obvious on film I am sure is close when it happens.  That being said, again, we have fared pretty well as far as the officals goes.  My biggest 'bitch' has been the injuries.  Which is no one's fault and a part of the game.  Just makes you wonder 'what if'.

Either way, weather in Albion this Saturday is supposed to be slightly overcast, high of 58, 20% chance of rain.  Keeping my fingers crossed.  I for one am tired of sitting in the rain to watch football.

Best of luck to both teams this Saturday as we close out the 2012 season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2012, 02:09:03 PM
vandy:

Well, you are right; the officials have to call it in real time with no replays available at our level for the regular season.  Without question, officiating is a very challenging and difficult job these days.  Neither you or I and/or most people are not naive enough to think that officials don't make mistakes - it happens, of course.  My only objections are inconsistency, not knowing the rules and/or blatent unwillingness to enforce them, and not having control of the game and all situations, all of which happens (and has happened this year).  Aside from the lesser important aspect of those things potentially affecting the outcome of the game, such actions (or non-actions shall we say) lends to injury potential.  Anyway, time to move forward for next week.

I join you in mentioning that I, too, am tired of the rain for games this year!  So hopefully, even though it will be overcast and cold as you provide in the preliminary advanced forecast, let's pray that the rain (and snow) stays away! :D :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 08, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Wonder how Adrian will do against Huntingdon? Could be a tough one for the Bulldogs! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2012, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 08, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Wonder how Adrian will do against Huntingdon? Could be a tough one for the Bulldogs! :-\

Raider68:

The Huntingdon game for them certainly could be a challenging one.  In only following Huntingdon from the periphery this year and recent years, they appear to be somewhat unpredictable, although certainly are not a slouch team.  Hopefully for Adrian, they will win so that it can have that "carry on" effect for them going into the playoffs.

As to your Mount, they are on "auto pilot" I would say. ;)  Right now, I'd have to agree with you and your OAC colleagues that they are the favorite to win the Stagg Bowl.  Good luck to them and hope you enjoy the game if you are going tomorrow.

Everyone i.e. all MIAA board people here, including Raider68:

As to our other MIAA teams tomorrow, Olivet plays at Kalamazoo, so will they have the chance to pull the upset - probably not, since Kazoo has been playing pretty good, although Olivet has vastly improved despite still being winless.  Alma will probably get trounced by Trine.  As for my Hope, it will be a tough road down at Albion and as I've said many times here in past years, it is always difficult for us playing down at Albion.  No doubt Albion will be "on a mission" especially after losing their home OT game last week to Adrian and in the fashion that it occurred at the end.  Anyway, good luck to everyone and their teams and wishing you all safe travels if you are going to the games.  The tentative forecast is overcast, in the low '60's and 30% chance of rain in our region, so make sure you dress for the same, although obviously, I hope the rain holds off.

P.S.  It will be interesting to see the playoff pairings, which, of course, we'll all be awaiting to see on Sunday this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 09, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 08, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Wonder how Adrian will do against Huntingdon? Could be a tough one for the Bulldogs! :-\

massey gives them a 14% chance.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 09, 2012, 03:00:48 PM
I thought I had seen that Huntingdon name somwhere (profanity warning..nsfw)

http://tinyurl.com/btywmb3 (http://tinyurl.com/btywmb3)  (link fixed).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2012, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: sac on November 09, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 08, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Wonder how Adrian will do against Huntingdon? Could be a tough one for the Bulldogs! :-\

massey gives them a 14% chance.

That is interesting.  As I mentioned, Huntingdon can be tricky and I admit that I don't know that much about them (only peripherally).  Their schedule is kind of a "mixed bag" of good teams and lesser teams.  However, I'm not sure I agree with the 14% chance estimation/prediction.  If Adrian brings their "A" game, I think they will have a very good chance and/or at the very least, if they lose, I think it will be closer than a "14%" chance of winning. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2012, 03:03:34 PM
stinger:

That is hilarious! :o ::) :D ;) 

BTW, you have been somewhat lax (or in hiding) with regard to posting with us this year.  You are missed.  That said, what is your assessment of Kazoo's season this year, the job Zorbo has done and the new stadium?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 09, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
Unfotunately, I was unable to go back to Homecoming this year to see the new facilities.  They look fantastic and only feel it will help Coach Zorbo. I'm a big fan of Jamie and think he's going to have some really good teams there. It seems to me they are agonizingly close to getting to the next level which I put at top 3-4 teams in the league. I think he will get it done.  Finish .500 and build on that for next year and get those damn wooden shoes back. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2012, 10:16:59 PM
Stinger: 
Thanks for your update and opinion.  Sorry you were unable to attend your Homecoming this year.  I agree with you that Zorbo has done a very good job.  The only aspect that I would disagree with you on, of course, is the Wooden Shoes! :o ::) ;D ;)  No way do we/I want to give those back to you guys! :)

To all...help!
Does anyone know why the helmet logo doesn't appear now when I'm posting or for that matter, others who have helmet logos?  It was working fine earlier today, however, I just noticed early this evening that it doesn't automatically appear now.  I have to click on my profile name and then click back to the Message Board and then the logo appears, at least for mine, although it seems not for some others when I do it (i.e. like Raider68's).  Those of us who have the helmet logos got those from a different source that allows those and not the Helmet project, which apparently (as wel know), changed those rules a couple of years ago.  Anyway, as I am not of "computer intellect", I'd appreciate the assistance from any of you with this. sflzman? Raider68? sac? Pat? Anyone?...Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2012, 11:54:34 PM
Formerd3db -- it looks like Alma moved the file you were using.

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/HopeFootball.GIF
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2012, 11:54:34 PM
Formerd3db -- it looks like Alma moved the file you were using.

http://www.alma.edu/repository/athletics/live_stats/HopeFootball.GIF

Thanks Pat.  I will contact sflzman as he was the person who helped me (and some others) in obtaining and being able to use the logo.

Hope you and your family are doing well.  Dress warm today if you are going to a game - I suspect it will be a little colder where you are than where we will be today.  It is supposed to be in the '60's today with 30% chance of rain, however, it is overcast and colder right now, so it will have to hurry up and get warmer within the next 3 hours before the 1:00 PM start of the game! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2012, 01:37:30 PM
This is really weird....I will look into this and see what I can find out for you guys
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2012, 01:43:40 PM
Here's some helmets I found for now...

http://www.mghelmets.com/div%20iii%20helmets/alma.gif

http://www.mghelmets.com/div%20iii%20helmets/hope.gif

http://www.mghelmets.com/div%20iii%20helmets/tri-state.gif

http://www.mghelmets.com/div%20iii%20helmets/mount-union.gif
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Thanks sflzman.  We'll try these out and see if they work.

As to today's games:

Wow, Adrian squeeks by Huntingdon 17-16 to complete a 9-1 season. Alma played Trine much closer than I thought they would - good attendance down there as usual.

As to the Hope/Albion game, it was a good tough game, yet for once, we came out on top down there.  Although Albion almost made it a reply of last week as far as nearly scoring in the last 3 minutes of the game, Hope's defense came up with some big stops at the right time (QB sacks, some INTs by our dbs (one for a long TD) and huge, huge punting by our punter) and our offense came through when they needed to (great running and blocking).  Albion is a good team (their sr. players WR, RB and their QB and others); some huge young lineman (one at 6'7"/315 and is very agile and a good blocker).  For once, the weather was fantastic for the final season November game ( '61 degrees with the sun coming out periodically, although much of the time it was overcast); also a real nice attendance of 3256, much more than I thought as I underestimated it at being about 2200-2500, so that was nice.  A great day (except for the losing team, of course) for college football at one of the MIAA's oldest schools and neat tradition.  I know our players and coaching staff were pleased at the effort today - a true team win - and finishing the season at 5-5, although we obviously had higher hopes and expectations from the start.

I will be interested to hear the recap/summaries of the other two MIAA games today from any of you who may have gone to those games (I suspect it was only the parents of Adrian players who made the trip to Alabama ::) :D ;)).

Anyway, now we'll all have to root for Adrian as our MIAA representative in the playoffs.  Again, I hope the weather stays good for a while, however, we all know the cold is coming. ::) :)

BTW, Michigan pulls out a close one with Northwestern today.  Northwestern is a good team - they'll probably lose to Nebraska, however, they should beat Illinois.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2012, 08:39:30 PM
Well, sflzman, I tried the new helmet url you listed, however, it didn't work. :'(  So I went back to the old one; again, mine still will come up if I click on my profile name and then click back to the regular post page.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2012, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2012, 08:24:28 PM

BTW, Michigan pulls out a close one with Northwestern today. 

A close one?  ::)   

Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Northwestern is a good team - they'll probably lose to Nebraska, however, they should beat Illinois.

Already lost to Nebraska, they got Taylor Martinez'ed late.  They play at Michigan State next week, then Illinois

You could put Michigan, Michigan State, Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn State and Wisconsin in a blender and get a different set of results every time.  There just really isn't much difference in those teams.



Congratulations to Hope for winning at Albion, only the second win there in 30 years.  2007 the other.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 10, 2012, 11:59:27 PM
Well a few things from today.

1) This whole helmet thing is driving me crazy. Sometimes working. Sometimes not. The new website that I found was working this morning but stopped. I am not really sure where to go at this moment. Maybe I can figure something out by tomorrow.

2) My (well my dad's) Minnesota Goohsrs are bowl eligible. They quite possibly may be the worst team ever to ever play in a bowl game. But hey. They got there.

3) Now tithe Alma/Trine game. I believe, IMO, Alma should have, and easily could have, won that game. Trine didn't appear ready for the faucet, let alone the whole kitchen sink that Coach P threw at them today. Multiple guys contributing here and there. It was a good effort by the Scots and definitely something to build on for next year.

The reason I say should have. That wide receiver pass that got itercepted was a killer. If you punch that one in it's a whole different ball game. Then you're up 21-14 (or at least 17-14) going into the break. Who knows how that changes the second quarter. Not to mention if they did score there that's A TON of momentum towards the Scots. Tochdown. Onside kick. Touchdown. At this point you've got Trine flustered and then who knows, maybe you get a FOURTH score mixed into the second quarter at some point.

Overall, the Scots outgained the Thunder, ran more plays than the Thunder. And definitely ended the year on a positive note. I feel like this is another example of why Coach P is going to turn this thing around. They've been right there all year long - they even had a lead again Oshkosh! (before giving up 63 unanswered). Give coach P a few years, and a chance to get his guys in there. Then look out.

Go Scots.

Also. One last note. Shannon Geren. We saw a little bit from him early. He impressed me but then he didn't really get any playing time through early conference play. I even said at one point to the person I was sitting next to at the game last week that I wished we would have gotten to see a little bit more of him. And what do you know, he scores two TDs today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Deveto on November 11, 2012, 08:41:06 AM
I was shock to the amount of fans that was at the Adrian v Huntingdon game they travel very well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2012, 11:35:34 AM
sac:
Oops!  I goofed; yes Northwestern already played Nebraska.  They play Michigan State next Saturday and although Michigan State has not been playing well of late, and even thought Northwestern is good, they could have a tough time at East Lansing.  I see that one going either way, just like the Michigan/Northwestern game yesterday.

sflzman:

Hilarious! (i.e. the "helmet thing"! :o ::) ;D :D :)).  I know it is not really that important, however, I am like you as that type thing drives me crazy also.  And...perhaps even more so because I am a "computer/internet illiterate" - I do not have the skills (nor understand the workings) of those aspects like you and all the others on here.  So, the bottom line is that I do appreciate your work in trying to get this thing resolved/fixed!

Good to hear from you also (I will PM you back later today).  Also, I watched the last quarter of the Minnesota/Illinois game last evening after returning home from the Hope/Albion game.  It is good to see your dad's alma mater improving.  Obviously, they are not a power yet, but are becoming more competitive, similar to how Northwestern started out to go "on that road" in past years (even though they lost to Michigan last weekend).  Kill is a good coach and has done well every level and school he has been at (Saginaw Valley, Emporia, Western Illinois, Northern Illinois and now Minnesota).  If he can stay healthy, I think they will continue to improve (he has several of his long-time staff with him, so they have that cohesiveness and know their system).

I do like Minnesota's new uniforms and helmets they wore yesterday (you had discussed that at the beginning of the season) - they have the "new" look, yet kept the tradion of the maroon with their style block "M" (IMO, just like Michigan, Minnesota needs to keep that old traditional look).  Anyway, they did get bowl eligable, unlike Michigan State so far.

P.S. Pishaw! :o ::) :P >:( ;D :)  Now the old helmet url isn't even partly working like it was yesterday!

Deveto:
That is interesting and very neat, especially since that is quite a longer trip than most of our MIAA teams usually travel for their away non-conference games.  They might not have that far to go next weekend if Adrian gets Concordia-Chicago or Elmhurst.   

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 11, 2012, 06:25:31 PM
Adrian will host Franklin
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 11, 2012, 09:13:44 PM
I'VE FOUND THE SOLUTION!!!!

Everyone hang tight.  Alma college internet servers crashed at approximitely 3 am Friday night/Saturday morning and have not returned yet.  Once they come back the problem should be solved.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 11, 2012, 09:16:01 PM
I also like the new uniforms!  Nike did a great job with them and kudos to Minnesota to sticking with tradition and not getting sucked into the flashy new Nike stuff that everyone else is going to.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2012, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 11, 2012, 09:13:44 PM
I'VE FOUND THE SOLUTION!!!!

Everyone hang tight.  Alma college internet servers crashed at approximitely 3 am Friday night/Saturday morning and have not returned yet.  Once they come back the problem should be solved.
Quote from: sflzman on November 11, 2012, 09:16:01 PM
I also like the new uniforms!  Nike did a great job with them and kudos to Minnesota to sticking with tradition and not getting sucked into the flashy new Nike stuff that everyone else is going to.

Great sflzman and thanks! We'll await hearing from you when it is up and running again and then try it.  Also, again, agree with you on the Minnesota uniforms -ditto.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: propower64 on November 12, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
Any Adrian fans that could give me a little information on the tailgating environment at Adrian College.  I am in charge of our Tailgates for Franklin College and we are looking at making the road trip for this weekend.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2012, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: propower64 on November 12, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
Any Adrian fans that could give me a little information on the tailgating environment at Adrian College.  I am in charge of our Tailgates for Franklin College and we are looking at making the road trip for this weekend.  Thanks!

I am far from an Adrian fan  ;) , but I recall the last time I attended a game there, the parking lot directly connected to the stadium was for Adrian people only.  I think it was reserved parking.  We were turned away, and advised to park near a ball field that was a fair distance away.  After realizing the distance, we parked in one of the neighborhood side streets instead. That was a couple of years ago, and perhaps that has changed or the NCAA will modify that policy.  If no one from this forum responds you may want to contact the school directly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Deveto on November 12, 2012, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: propower64 on November 12, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
Any Adrian fans that could give me a little information on the tailgating environment at Adrian College.  I am in charge of our Tailgates for Franklin College and we are looking at making the road trip for this weekend.  Thanks!

Adrian is very big on tailgating , the main parking lot next to the stadium is for Adrian reserved tailgaters but right across the street very close to the stadium is a big area for the visiting team. The game day environment is awesome. Last time I was there they had a live concert going on with a petting zoo for kids basically set up like a carnival with camel and elephant rides.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2012, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: propower64 on November 12, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
Any Adrian fans that could give me a little information on the tailgating environment at Adrian College.  I am in charge of our Tailgates for Franklin College and we are looking at making the road trip for this weekend.  Thanks!

The lot connected to the stadium is for reserved parking and season ticket holders, so that fills up. Not sure if this will apply for a playoff game, Id imagine it wont, as the parking passes are valid for the 5 game home schedule, as are the season tickets. Tickets for this game are extra cost, of course. Id imagine, but am not sure that the main lot might simply be first come first serve, with the parking fee they are sure to charge. The lot across the street is an open lot, which also carries a charge but is a first come first serve, things tend to fill up fairly quick on game day and I believe there is a hockey day scheduled for the same day (yikes). As for the  environment, its pretty hands off, people are allowed to have fun as long as they arent creating issues. I dont know if t he NCAA presence will change this or if it will remain the same, but the College itself is very open and accepting of tailgating.

Outisde those two main lots, there is another lot slightly down the street (the college bought the lot of an old apartment complex that burned down) and I know in the past they have offered parking across from the Library (about a block away). The lot by the ball fields is a bit of a hike, its on t he back 40 as we refer to it, but they do offer shuttle service from that lot to the field for those that park there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2012, 11:45:42 AM
For further reference, consult this map.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fadrian.edu%2Fuploads%2Fbadges%2F2011campus-map.jpeg&hash=050e8a1dff7dc79836e95367c0fc9ec3737ae94f)

You can clearly see the parking lot next to the stadium and across the street, those are the main two. There is also a parking lot located at the intersection of Charles and Williams (this is where the old apartments were) and in the past there is parking located in the quad area about half way down Williams street. You can see where the ball fields are in relation to the stadium and there is parking out there. All residential streets are two way parking and open as well, with the exception of Michigan ave which only has parking on one side, but  that is often lifted on big game days etc.

Edit: That image is far smaller than it should be just click on it and it should enlarge.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: propower64 on November 12, 2012, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2012, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: propower64 on November 12, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
Any Adrian fans that could give me a little information on the tailgating environment at Adrian College.  I am in charge of our Tailgates for Franklin College and we are looking at making the road trip for this weekend.  Thanks!

The lot connected to the stadium is for reserved parking and season ticket holders, so that fills up. Not sure if this will apply for a playoff game, Id imagine it wont, as the parking passes are valid for the 5 game home schedule, as are the season tickets. Tickets for this game are extra cost, of course. Id imagine, but am not sure that the main lot might simply be first come first serve, with the parking fee they are sure to charge. The lot across the street is an open lot, which also carries a charge but is a first come first serve, things tend to fill up fairly quick on game day and I believe there is a hockey day scheduled for the same day (yikes). As for the  environment, its pretty hands off, people are allowed to have fun as long as they arent creating issues. I dont know if t he NCAA presence will change this or if it will remain the same, but the College itself is very open and accepting of tailgating.

Outisde those two main lots, there is another lot slightly down the street (the college bought the lot of an old apartment complex that burned down) and I know in the past they have offered parking across from the Library (about a block away). The lot by the ball fields is a bit of a hike, its on t he back 40 as we refer to it, but they do offer shuttle service from that lot to the field for those that park there.
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2012, 11:45:42 AM
For further reference, consult this map.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fadrian.edu%2Fuploads%2Fbadges%2F2011campus-map.jpeg&hash=050e8a1dff7dc79836e95367c0fc9ec3737ae94f)

You can clearly see the parking lot next to the stadium and across the street, those are the main two. There is also a parking lot located at the intersection of Charles and Williams (this is where the old apartments were) and in the past there is parking located in the quad area about half way down Williams street. You can see where the ball fields are in relation to the stadium and there is parking out there. All residential streets are two way parking and open as well, with the exception of Michigan ave which only has parking on one side, but  that is often lifted on big game days etc.

Edit: That image is far smaller than it should be just click on it and it should enlarge.
Thank you for the information.  We have been told the Dawson Auditorium lot will be used for the Franklin Fans.  Look forward to a good time. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2012, 07:23:47 PM
All MIAA Team has been announced here: http://miaa.org/sports/fball/2012-13/index

You can all check it out on your own, I wont go into too much detail but there are some notable selections that make no sense this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2012, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2012, 07:23:47 PM
All MIAA Team has been announced here: http://miaa.org/sports/fball/2012-13/index

You can all check it out on your own, I wont go into too much detail but there are some notable selections that make no sense this year.

I would have to agree with DAWG on this one (although he probably has some different selections as to some positions to apply to the same reasoning I'm going to relate).  It is unfortunate, however, this happens every year and I am not sure why (well...actually, we all know why, yet it still is frustrating ::)).

First, I find it interesting that a QB (Hope's Atwell) is tied with another QB (Trine's Hargraves) in both passing AND total offense (#1 and #2 i.e. they both "flip flop" in those), yet he is only awarded 2nd team status.  I also don't understand how a DB  (Hope's Karam) is #3 in total interceptions and is not selected to either 1st or 2nd team (especially with a strong showing in the last game with a fumble recovery and 2 ints, one of which went for a 75 yrd TD, although he was down the list a bit in tackles, but still in the top ten of the latter).  Although I will concede that another Hope DB i.e. DiCesare did receive 1st team status as he lead the league in intercetions and was #3 in tackles.  I do agree, however, with the DB selection of Combs, who was #4 (tackles) and #2 (ints) in those categories. While I agree with the 3 WR 1st team selections, if you are going to do that, then seems to me it should apply (i.e. multiple additional selections to the 1st team) to the DB's and QB's in this situation (my db bias aside ::) :o ;)) - it has been done before in past years for the latter two positions as well.

My comments are not intended as personal and/or to take anything away from those who were selected 1st team as, indeed, they were voted as such and deserve the congratulations.  In addition, I will just add that while this may sound like "sour grapes" to some people, I will say that in past years, I have even disagreed with a couple of selections of our own Hope players for the very same reasons.  However, as we all know, again this happens and that's just the way it is.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 08:12:03 AM
Who did adrian pay off to get a home playoff game lol
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SUADC on November 13, 2012, 08:14:24 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 08:12:03 AM
Who did adrian pay off to get a home playoff game lol

They paid for transportation and food for the trip to Alabama. Then beat Huntingdon on the road, that's how.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
lol again i ask how
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
formerd3db: 

While I do have issues with several picks, my main contention lies with only one. I think without spelling it out, you can safely determine which one it is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 10:38:50 AM
Quote from: propower64 on November 12, 2012, 02:08:30 PM
Thank you for the information.  We have been told the Dawson Auditorium lot will be used for the Franklin Fans.  Look forward to a good time.

Further parking/ticket info: http://adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-footbl/2012-13/releases/201211127mbwtq
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2012, 10:39:24 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
lol again i ask how

You can't buy a home game in Division III. You must be thinking of the NAIA. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 10:42:47 AM
I knew it was one of them
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2012, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: SUADC on November 13, 2012, 08:14:24 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 08:12:03 AM
Who did adrian pay off to get a home playoff game lol

They paid for transportation and food for the trip to Alabama. Then beat Huntingdon on the road, that's how.
+1 !  A win over a regionally ranked opponent! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2012, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: SUADC on November 13, 2012, 08:14:24 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 08:12:03 AM
Who did adrian pay off to get a home playoff game lol

They paid for transportation and food for the trip to Alabama. Then beat Huntingdon on the road, that's how.
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
lol again i ask how

+1 SUADC !  A win over a regionally ranked opponent!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 13, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
Massey makes Franklin a slight favorite over Adrian even on the road.

Franklin's two losses were to Butler and Mt Union, otherwise they cruised through the Heartland Conference which is nearly identical in quality to the MIAA......at least through massey's eyes.

Their one common opponent

Adrian 23 Defiance 13
Franklin 35 Defiance 14

The winner likely gets Mary Hardin-Baylor and an end to their season. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 11:40:13 AM
Adrian SOS 181 Franklin SOS 133
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 13, 2012, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 11:40:13 AM
Adrian SOS 181 Franklin SOS 133

Take out Mt. Union and Butler for Franklin, esp. Butler.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
why take them out? so should teams like alma and olivet be taken out of Adrian's?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 12:42:45 PM
Two good losses in terms of SOS (Mount Union and Butler) for Franklin, but no signature win. Beat teams they should have, lost to teams they should have. The Huntingdon win for Adrian was a signature win, on road vs far higher ranked opponent (AFCA poll, D3football.com poll, Massey, Regional Ranking), as has been stated before the win over a regionally ranked opponent (Huntingdon) is a rare thing and is looked upon strongly.

Both teams could have been hosting, Franklin had a great season and is a great team, but the RRO victory was likely the deciding factor giving Adrian a home game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 12:42:45 PM
Two good losses in terms of SOS (Mount Union and Butler) for Franklin, but no signature win. Beat teams they should have, lost to teams they should have. The Huntingdon win for Adrian was a signature win, on road vs far higher ranked opponent (AFCA poll, D3football.com poll, Massey, Regional Ranking), as has been stated before the win over a regionally ranked opponent (Huntingdon) is a rare thing and is looked upon strongly.

Both teams could have been hosting, Franklin had a great season and is a great team, but the RRO victory was likely the deciding factor giving Adrian a home game.

Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
why take them out? so should teams like alma and olivet be taken out of Adrian's?

apples and oranges, ThunderStorm.  I assume you know these are fellow league members for Adrian, yeah??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 13, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
why take them out? so should teams like alma and olivet be taken out of Adrian's?

Butler's 2 levels above D3, neither Adrian or Franklin would have a chance to win that game.  It skews the sos too much. 

Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 11:40:13 AM
Adrian SOS 181 Franklin SOS 133

I don't know where these come from but massey has the SOS Adrian #171 Franklin #162........take out Butler and Franklin's closer to #200.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 12:42:45 PM
Two good losses in terms of SOS (Mount Union and Butler) for Franklin, but no signature win. Beat teams they should have, lost to teams they should have. The Huntingdon win for Adrian was a signature win, on road vs far higher ranked opponent (AFCA poll, D3football.com poll, Massey, Regional Ranking), as has been stated before the win over a regionally ranked opponent (Huntingdon) is a rare thing and is looked upon strongly.

Both teams could have been hosting, Franklin had a great season and is a great team, but the RRO victory was likely the deciding factor giving Adrian a home game.

Agree 100%.  About the only thing that I'm sure of with this game-- is the tailgating at Adrian will never be the same after you see what the Franklin folks do for theirs.  I highly recommend stopping by for it.  Every school thinks they have a great tailgate situation (our parking lot overlooks the field at TMC) and I saw that someone said on here that Adrian has a very good tailgate -- you'll see a GREAT tailgate on Saturday.  My alma mater played AT Franklin last year.  They were impressive.

Yes -- before you say it, I can't believe I actually just authored a post about another program's tailgate.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 13, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 12:42:45 PM
Two good losses in terms of SOS (Mount Union and Butler) for Franklin, but no signature win. Beat teams they should have, lost to teams they should have. The Huntingdon win for Adrian was a signature win, on road vs far higher ranked opponent (AFCA poll, D3football.com poll, Massey, Regional Ranking), as has been stated before the win over a regionally ranked opponent (Huntingdon) is a rare thing and is looked upon strongly.

Both teams could have been hosting, Franklin had a great season and is a great team, but the RRO victory was likely the deciding factor giving Adrian a home game.

Agree 100%.  About the only thing that I'm sure of with this game-- is the tailgating at Adrian will never be the same after you see what the Franklin folks do for theirs.  I highly recommend stopping by for it.  Every school thinks they have a great tailgate situation (our parking lot overlooks the field at TMC) and I saw that someone said on here that Adrian has a very good tailgate -- you'll see a GREAT tailgate on Saturday.  My alma mater played AT Franklin last year.  They were impressive.

Yes -- before you say it, I can't believe I actually just authored a post about another program's tailgate.

Wow, barely been married and you are already changing as a person! ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 01:22:06 PM
Quote from: dc_has_been on November 13, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 12:42:45 PM
Two good losses in terms of SOS (Mount Union and Butler) for Franklin, but no signature win. Beat teams they should have, lost to teams they should have. The Huntingdon win for Adrian was a signature win, on road vs far higher ranked opponent (AFCA poll, D3football.com poll, Massey, Regional Ranking), as has been stated before the win over a regionally ranked opponent (Huntingdon) is a rare thing and is looked upon strongly.

Both teams could have been hosting, Franklin had a great season and is a great team, but the RRO victory was likely the deciding factor giving Adrian a home game.

Agree 100%.  About the only thing that I'm sure of with this game-- is the tailgating at Adrian will never be the same after you see what the Franklin folks do for theirs.  I highly recommend stopping by for it.  Every school thinks they have a great tailgate situation (our parking lot overlooks the field at TMC) and I saw that someone said on here that Adrian has a very good tailgate -- you'll see a GREAT tailgate on Saturday.  My alma mater played AT Franklin last year.  They were impressive.

Yes -- before you say it, I can't believe I actually just authored a post about another program's tailgate.

Wow, barely been married and you are already changing as a person! ;D

she's calmed me down.  I was telling one of the Mount Union radio guys that I hope to be at one of their playoff games this year, but I'm not sure.  She's already footballed out. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
why take them out? so should teams like alma and olivet be taken out of Adrian's?

apples and oranges, ThunderStorm.  I assume you know these are fellow league members for Adrian, yeah??

my point was if you remove the 2 best teams to make fraklins sos weaker than why not remove the two teams with a 1-19 record to make adrian look better(yes i am aware those are 2 MIAA teams but thanks for the reminder) and if im not mistaken Franklin beat Butler in 08 but i guess had franklin lost to a team thats 3-7(yes i know 3 of the L's are against a 9-1 team and 8-2 teams) that would look better than losing to #1 Mount Union and Butler
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 02:27:08 PM
Quote from: sac on November 13, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
why take them out? so should teams like alma and olivet be taken out of Adrian's?

Butler's 2 levels above D3, neither Adrian or Franklin would have a chance to win that game.  It skews the sos too much. 

Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 11:40:13 AM
Adrian SOS 181 Franklin SOS 133

I don't know where these come from but massey has the SOS Adrian #171 Franklin #162........take out Butler and Franklin's closer to #200.

http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2012/schedule?tmpl=sos-template
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Hawks88 on November 13, 2012, 03:24:24 PM
Quote from: sac on November 13, 2012, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 11:40:13 AM
Adrian SOS 181 Franklin SOS 133

Take out Mt. Union and Butler for Franklin, esp. Butler.
Butler isn't D3 so they already aren't in Franklin's SOS.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 13, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
why take them out? so should teams like alma and olivet be taken out of Adrian's?

apples and oranges, ThunderStorm.  I assume you know these are fellow league members for Adrian, yeah??

my point was if you remove the 2 best teams to make fraklins sos weaker than why not remove the two teams with a 1-19 record to make adrian look better(yes i am aware those are 2 MIAA teams but thanks for the reminder) and if im not mistaken Franklin beat Butler in 08 but i guess had franklin lost to a team thats 3-7(yes i know 3 of the L's are against a 9-1 team and 8-2 teams) that would look better than losing to #1 Mount Union and Butler

I don't understand what you are trying to say and I tried to read through the paragraph a couple times.  I'm not even sure that we disagree.  Butler doesn't count on their SOS no matter what the record is.  They (I'm not a Franklin fan) were only judged on 9 games for the SOS.

One thing is for sure -- Franklin doesn't have a win that matches up with Adrian's win at Huntingdon. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2012, 03:34:36 PM
sac:

On a tangential thought in regards to your discussion, I would tend to disagree with you slightly regarding the Butler "thing".  I believe you are right in that neither Adrian or Franklin would have a chance at winning that game at least this year  - obviously, Franklin did not - since Butler is pretty good this year (nor would have either of those teams beat them when they won the Pioneer League title a couple of years ago).  Also, despite it being DI FCS (formerly D-IAA) albeit non-scholarship program, Butler, like many of it's Pioneer League fellow members plays a DIII team almost every year (and also those Pioneer teams play some Ivy League and other FCS teams on occasion for their non-conference games).  Up until this year, Butler has played Albion for several years in the recent past and barely won some of those games - Albion did beat them one year as I recall (without looking right now back at the past season schedules).  So while I think you are correct about this year (and again we could apply that to the year when Butler last won the title recently as I mentioned), I do believe that some of the DIII teams can beat them - they are not that good as they should be for being FCS.

All that said, Butler has improved and the Pioneer League teams continue to improve and trying to get to a much more competitive level in FCS.  I heard that as of next year the Pioneer League will receive an Automatic Bid to the NCAA FCS playoffs.  I think that is neat, however, as much as I like to see those programs get to a much more competitive FCS level, they still have a way to go yet I think that most people would agree.

Several years ago in the 1990's, Dayton had a great team and would have received an at-large bid to the D-IAA playoffs, but lost one of their regular season games near the end, so that put a "kibosh" on the potential bid.  And don't forget ab out Jim Harbaugh's San Diego Pioneer League team before he took the Stanford job.  Those teams were good FCS level talent.   

Anyway, on that same level of thought - I reviewed the attendance statistics for home games for most of the Pioneer League teams and they did not fare much better (and in some instances) the same as many of the DIII teams.  Many PL teams had only 2200-2500 for home games and many DIII teams (including those in our own MIAA) had that and/or even better.  That does not look good if one wants to be seen in the mode of DI level football.  I remember a few years back when Dayton routinely had 9,000-10,000 people for their home games in Welcome Stadium, but not now, while some DIII teams (such as St. John's and Hampden-Sydney have done that recently).  Just thought I would share some additional thoughts on all the above, again as a tangent to the discusion mentioning Butler playing Franklin (and/or other DIII teams).     

P.S.  My friend SaintsFAN is right also - Butler doesn't count in the SOS because it is FCS, not DIII.  Although (and please forgive me if I am potentially opening "a can-of-worms" here because that is not my intention), I believe such scheduled games should be (and many of us have had this discussion in past years) - in part because if a team takes a chance in scheduling non-conference game that is beyond their own level i.e. another NCAA division, I think that should count for being a plus in a stronger SOS.  Most likely, they are not supposed to win those games, but it they do, shouldn't that count because they upset an overall stronger talented team -even if that higher division team had a bad day resulting in its loss- and that does happen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
I don't understand what you are trying to say and I tried to read through the paragraph a couple times.  I'm not even sure that we disagree.  Butler doesn't count on their SOS no matter what the record is.  They (I'm not a Franklin fan) were only judged on 9 games for the SOS.

One thing is for sure -- Franklin doesn't have a win that matches up with Adrian's win at Huntingdon.

The contention appears to be that because Adrian blew a game in a bad loss week one to Carthage that they are less deserving of a home game than a team that lost to Mount Union and Butler.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2012, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
formerd3db: 

While I do have issues with several picks, my main contention lies with only one. I think without spelling it out, you can safely determine which one it is.

I think I know what you mean regarding this particular situation; D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
I don't understand what you are trying to say and I tried to read through the paragraph a couple times.  I'm not even sure that we disagree.  Butler doesn't count on their SOS no matter what the record is.  They (I'm not a Franklin fan) were only judged on 9 games for the SOS.

One thing is for sure -- Franklin doesn't have a win that matches up with Adrian's win at Huntingdon.

The contention appears to be that because Adrian blew a game in a bad loss week one to Carthage that they are less deserving of a home game than a team that lost to Mount Union and Butler.

I definitely think the team who should be hosting, is hosting this game.  Period.  I look at quality of wins, not how bad the losses were.  If you're scoring at home on the quality of wins, its Adrian 1 Franklin 0.  Thats mostly because Franklin stepped up the competition out of conference the last two years but they had to.  The Heartland is not providing them with the competition to prepare them for the Tournament.  They beat three 6-4 teams in conference play.  Two of them were 0-2 in OOC games and the third was 1-1 in OOC games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
I don't understand what you are trying to say and I tried to read through the paragraph a couple times.  I'm not even sure that we disagree.  Butler doesn't count on their SOS no matter what the record is.  They (I'm not a Franklin fan) were only judged on 9 games for the SOS.

One thing is for sure -- Franklin doesn't have a win that matches up with Adrian's win at Huntingdon.


The contention appears to be that because Adrian blew a game in a bad loss week one to Carthage that they are less deserving of a home game than a team that lost to Mount Union and Butler.

I definitely think the team who should be hosting, is hosting this game.  Period.  I look at quality of wins, not how bad the losses were.  If you're scoring at home on the quality of wins, its Adrian 1 Franklin 0.  Thats mostly because Franklin stepped up the competition out of conference the last two years but they had to.  The Heartland is not providing them with the competition to prepare them for the Tournament.  They beat three 6-4 teams in conference play.  Two of them were 0-2 in OOC games and the third was 1-1 in OOC games.

I agree. Had Adrian not won at Huntington FC would prob be hosting.  All in all not a bad deal.  After playing UWW 3 times and Mount once in the last 24 months as well as a good 1-AA team FC will be prepared. Playoffs in 5 of the last 6 seasons will also be a plus.  We shall see on Sat
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 13, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
I don't understand what you are trying to say and I tried to read through the paragraph a couple times.  I'm not even sure that we disagree.  Butler doesn't count on their SOS no matter what the record is.  They (I'm not a Franklin fan) were only judged on 9 games for the SOS.

One thing is for sure -- Franklin doesn't have a win that matches up with Adrian's win at Huntingdon.

The contention appears to be that because Adrian blew a game in a bad loss week one to Carthage that they are less deserving of a home game than a team that lost to Mount Union and Butler.

I definitely think the team who should be hosting, is hosting this game.  Period.  I look at quality of wins, not how bad the losses were.  If you're scoring at home on the quality of wins, its Adrian 1 Franklin 0.  Thats mostly because Franklin stepped up the competition out of conference the last two years but they had to.  The Heartland is not providing them with the competition to prepare them for the Tournament.  They beat three 6-4 teams in conference play.  Two of them were 0-2 in OOC games and the third was 1-1 in OOC games.

I agree. Had Adrian not won at Huntington FC would prob be hosting.  All in all not a bad deal.  After playing UWW 3 times and Mount once in the last 24 months as well as a good 1-AA team FC will be prepared. Playoffs in 5 of the last 6 seasons will also be a plus.  We shall see on Sat

Experience edge surely lies with Franklin. I recall playing them back in 2002 and 2003, think coaching staff was new in 2003? and there was already a hint to the program that better days were ahead.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 15, 2012, 12:21:29 PM
Adrian will have a tough time stopping Franklin's offense, IMHO. The bulldogs will have to control
the ball to win this one! :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2012, 04:40:22 PM
I posted this over on the CCIW board, so am doing it here also:

This is slightly "tangential" in regards to the college game, however, since it relates to a player in your region, I'd thought I would just mention this hear to ilicit your comments/opinions.  Chicago Bears player Brian Urlacher announced today in response to a question by a reporter that he would "lie to conceal a concussion" to stay in a game, although he doubted that players could conceal such due to the more awareness, newer techinques that trainers and team physicians have available on the sidelines for that (I am not sure what he means by that as sideline diagnosis hasn't really changed - it is the after concussion test, etc. that have evolved/developed).

I assume, then, that Urlacher would forfeit his right to sue the NFL in later years as many of his NFL colleagues are doing now.   Anyway, kind of a "not too smart" idea he is promoting, however,...that is not surprising from some of those people in the NFL.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GrizFan on November 16, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 12:42:45 PM
Two good losses in terms of SOS (Mount Union and Butler) for Franklin, but no signature win. Beat teams they should have, lost to teams they should have. The Huntingdon win for Adrian was a signature win, on road vs far higher ranked opponent (AFCA poll, D3football.com poll, Massey, Regional Ranking), as has been stated before the win over a regionally ranked opponent (Huntingdon) is a rare thing and is looked upon strongly.

Both teams could have been hosting, Franklin had a great season and is a great team, but the RRO victory was likely the deciding factor giving Adrian a home game.

Agree 100%.  About the only thing that I'm sure of with this game-- is the tailgating at Adrian will never be the same after you see what the Franklin folks do for theirs.  I highly recommend stopping by for it.  Every school thinks they have a great tailgate situation (our parking lot overlooks the field at TMC) and I saw that someone said on here that Adrian has a very good tailgate -- you'll see a GREAT tailgate on Saturday.  My alma mater played AT Franklin last year.  They were impressive.

Yes -- before you say it, I can't believe I actually just authored a post about another program's tailgate.

While Franklin's tailgate will be good at Adrian, it probably will not approach your expectations as is seen at FC, at selected road games, or at the 2008 playoff game at North Central.  According to the FC Touchdown Club, the big grills will not make the trip to Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2012, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: GrizFan on November 16, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2012, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 13, 2012, 12:42:45 PM
Two good losses in terms of SOS (Mount Union and Butler) for Franklin, but no signature win. Beat teams they should have, lost to teams they should have. The Huntingdon win for Adrian was a signature win, on road vs far higher ranked opponent (AFCA poll, D3football.com poll, Massey, Regional Ranking), as has been stated before the win over a regionally ranked opponent (Huntingdon) is a rare thing and is looked upon strongly.

Both teams could have been hosting, Franklin had a great season and is a great team, but the RRO victory was likely the deciding factor giving Adrian a home game.

Agree 100%.  About the only thing that I'm sure of with this game-- is the tailgating at Adrian will never be the same after you see what the Franklin folks do for theirs.  I highly recommend stopping by for it.  Every school thinks they have a great tailgate situation (our parking lot overlooks the field at TMC) and I saw that someone said on here that Adrian has a very good tailgate -- you'll see a GREAT tailgate on Saturday.  My alma mater played AT Franklin last year.  They were impressive.

Yes -- before you say it, I can't believe I actually just authored a post about another program's tailgate.

While Franklin's tailgate will be good at Adrian, it probably will not approach your expectations as is seen at FC, at selected road games, or at the 2008 playoff game at North Central.  According to the FC Touchdown Club, the big grills will not make the trip to Michigan.

Just curious, but why is that?  From what you relate, i.e. "selected road games", I assume that the fans who have the "big grills" are just not able to travel to the more extensive long distance games due to their personal schedules perhaps and not because of a lack of interest.  By the latter I mean that I'm sure they would certainly like to go to this FC game because of the fact that it is a playoff game and not just a regular season "away" game, but again, perhaps the distance factor, although not overwhelming, is still a fair amount to travel.

Regardless, I'm sure those who go and tailgate, will still have a great time at Adrian.  As some of the Adrian posters have shared here, it is a neat atmoshphere there for tailgaiting.  While all our MIAA schools have some good tailgaiting, I tend to think that Adrian, Kazoo Trine and Alma have had some of the more involved endeavors, at least from what I've seen (although our Hope people have a very good contingent also as does Olivet).

Also, the weather is supposed to be okay for the game tomorrow, at least from the preliminary reports I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 16, 2012, 11:10:58 AM
Sunny 49 and morning fog, light winds.

Downright terrific for November
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: sac on November 16, 2012, 11:10:58 AM
Sunny 49 and morning fog, light winds.

Downright terrific for November

Indeed, yes.  I remember a couple of the first playoff games in the past when it was extremely (overwhelmingly) cold (Mount Union at Albion in 1993 - that close game), Albion at Wabash 2007(?), although when we (Hope) played at Mount Union in 2006 at the first playoff game, it was nice for the first of November as well.  I attended the Mount Union/Wabash playoff game last year down at Mount Union and, while it was chilly/moderately cold, the sun came out from on and off throught the game. 

Bottom line...you never know in November. ;)  Anyway, thanks for the specifics on the preliminary forecast sac.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 17, 2012, 03:20:12 PM
Hats off to Franklin, that's a damn fine football team. Offensively they are extremely potent and were able to put together the perfect storm for Adrian. Anytime we got something going they would force a turnover, or we would shoot ourselves in the foot. Credit Franklin they took advantage and were able to attack and force the issue the entire first half and once they got the lead it put Adrian in an unfamiliar of having to play from behind which doesn't play to our strengths. Again hats off to Franklin and congrats on the win, best of luck in Texas with Mary hardin baylor in round two!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
I am somewhat shocked at the Franklin/Adrian score.  I personally thought it would be a much closer game, regardless of who won.  Previewing the game, I could see it going either way, although if Adrian brought it's "A" game.  Franklin is, of course, no slouch team despite their two losses and playing in a perceived not as strong conference (although IMO, playing Mount and Butler was a help to them for later in the season and the playoffs).  Still, I am surprised at the margin of scoring and from DAWG's post, it appears that Adrian just couldn't get something going.  Playing behind and/or struggling like that once things start unraveling is always depresssing and tough to overcome as DAWG pointed out. 

Nonetheless, congrats and best wishes to the Franklin team/coaches and fans as they proceed on to the next round.  Also, congratulations to our MIAA representative Adrian team/staff and fans for a fine season.  As to the other playoff games, it appears they have gone pretty much as most people predicted (Pat, Keith, Ryan and others), although a couple of the games are a little closer and/or different than expected - Bethel's one point win and Elmhurst's win.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 17, 2012, 06:27:58 PM
On the positive side it was an amazing mid-November afternoon for football. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 17, 2012, 06:48:18 PM
Good game from the Griz!!  Great playoff effort on both sides of the ball.  On to TX
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on November 17, 2012, 10:04:18 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on November 17, 2012, 06:48:18 PM
Good game from the Griz!!  Great playoff effort on both sides of the ball.  On to TX

Leave your tailgate grills in Johnson County and enjoy the ambience in Belton - Miller's, Schoeph's, or Backyard BBQ as good (probably far better) than anything you can find in Indiana.  8-)  Would only put Cooper's in Llano, Kruetz (or City Market) in Luling, and a couple of Elgin sausage purveyors above them re. TX BBQ. Paper, a knife, some bread, and pickles - pure carniverous nirvana!  Git'em next week, Griz! Put the efforts into eliminating your bracket of the color purple, and trust me as a former meat chompin' Texan...  ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 06:50:36 PM
Some additional thoughts regarding Adrian's playoff game:

DAWG, what's with only 1475 attending the game?  I would think that with it having been Adrian's first appearance in the DIII playoffs since 1988 (at least for me, it is difficult to believe it was that long ago and that was back in the selection/invitation system at that i.e. before the AQ system was implimented) and also since Adrian was hosting, that there would have been many more than the listed announced attendance for the game.  That is a little disappointing, also given that the students were still on campus and had not left as yet before the Thanksgiving holiday break.  Perhaps most of the attendance was students and, of course, parents of the players.  Still, it is somewhat disappointing to see that even after Adrian rewarded their students/fans (and the administration no less :o ::) :-X - you know what I'm talking about in that regard ;)) with an MIAA championship and the playoff berth, that simply more people would have shown up for that game. 

I assume that Adrian will be essentially in the same category as far as returning talent next year so as to be the favored team and/or certainly one of the top contenders for the league title again (without checking the roster for who you lose in seniors and key positions).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 07:06:03 PM
Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: UMUplayerdad on November 18, 2012, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 07:06:03 PM
Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

seems like such a long time ago, Cubit and o-line staff was recruiting my kid(of course a red shirt year involved) now while it would have meant lots less money and travel..... my son is a piss poor loser..... he's only  lost last game of the year the last 6 years, but blow outs? if he was on a team that took a 60 point whipping or a team that had a 50% win ratio he would take up golf. So when UMU came calling a little history via google and Vince K's  pep talk made UMU an easy choice(FOR HIM)  PS I was not impressed by Cubit FWIW
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 07:57:48 PM
Quote from: UMUplayerdad on November 18, 2012, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 07:06:03 PM
Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

seems like such a long time ago, Cubit and o-line staff was recruiting my kid(of course a red shirt year involved) now while it would have meant lots less money and travel..... my son is a piss poor loser..... he's only  lost last game of the year the last 6 years, but blow outs? if he was on a team that took a 60 point whipping or a team that had a 50% win ratio he would take up golf. So when UMU came calling a little history via google and Vince K's  pep talk made UMU an easy choice(FOR HIM)  PS I was not impressed by Cubit FWIW

Thanks for your sharing your experience.  While I never met Cubit, I had heard similar stories.  One of my former Hope teammates had two of his sons being recurited by them (and Eastern Michigan also).  When they took their recruiting trip to those schools at one of the games, there were only about 1,000 people in the stadium in attendance for the game (and perhaps a little over 2,000 for the other).  His son said to him..."heck, dad, Hope College gets more than this to most of their games and that was a big factor in his decision to go to his dad's (our ;)) alma mater (aside from the fact that his parents could afford to send him to Hope).  The other son actually did go to Western, but transferred to Hope after his first year at Western because despite being 2nd team, he apparently was told P.T. would be "not alot".  Both sons were/have been great players for Hope.

Also, Western Michigan's AD (Kathy Beauregard) is a Hope grad and a former star women's athlete at Hope.  She has done a good job down there, yet hopefully her own hire for FB coach will get them in the right direction.  I also assume that was why Hope got to play Western in basketball last year for a regular season game that counted (i.e. wasn't an exhibition game).  Hope got crushed by them, although I would dare say had it been about 5-6 years ago with the team that Hope had then, they would have beaten Western.  We don't have a game with them this year, but it was a great experience for the players last year.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2012, 08:01:16 PM
Re: Ron English.  I am certainly hoping that the win against WMU bought him at least one more chance.  You know my view that it is virtually impossible to build an actual winner at EMU (they are just way too overshadowed by the big boys down the street to get even much local media coverage); I just don't think any replacement for English is likely to be an upgrade.  And while it hasn't so far shown up on the field, I most ways I think he has significantly improved the program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: UMUplayerdad on November 19, 2012, 01:33:13 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 07:57:48 PM
Quote from: UMUplayerdad on November 18, 2012, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 07:06:03 PM
Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

seems like such a long time ago, Cubit and o-line staff was recruiting my kid(of course a red shirt year involved) now while it would have meant lots less money and travel..... my son is a piss poor loser..... he's only  lost last game of the year the last 6 years, but blow outs? if he was on a team that took a 60 point whipping or a team that had a 50% win ratio he would take up golf. So when UMU came calling a little history via google and Vince K's  pep talk made UMU an easy choice(FOR HIM)  PS I was not impressed by Cubit FWIW

Thanks for your sharing your experience.  While I never met Cubit, I had heard similar stories.  One of my former Hope teammates had two of his sons being recurited by them (and Eastern Michigan also).  When they took their recruiting trip to those schools at one of the games, there were only about 1,000 people in the stadium in attendance for the game (and perhaps a little over 2,000 for the other).  His son said to him..."heck, dad, Hope College gets more than this to most of their games and that was a big factor in his decision to go to his dad's (our ;)) alma mater (aside from the fact that his parents could afford to send him to Hope).  The other son actually did go to Western, but transferred to Hope after his first year at Western because despite being 2nd team, he apparently was told P.T. would be "not alot".  Both sons were/have been great players for Hope.

Also, Western Michigan's AD (Kathy Beauregard) is a Hope grad and a former star women's athlete at Hope.  She has done a good job down there, yet hopefully her own hire for FB coach will get them in the right direction.  I also assume that was why Hope got to play Western in basketball last year for a regular season game that counted (i.e. wasn't an exhibition game).  Hope got crushed by them, although I would dare say had it been about 5-6 years ago with the team that Hope had then, they would have beaten Western.  We don't have a game with them this year, but it was a great experience for the players last year.   

straight up this family has hated losing from candyland to risk to statego(which btw I am undefeted for 57ys)     no one cheats, no one is a good losser.... I figure tween  UMUreputation  and vince K's pep talks it cost me over 100k(out of state/ 12mpg gallon vehichle for 4 years) and the "never reaching for  their wallet habit of the in laws)    we have smashed over20 Xbox controlers because of refuse to lose idealogyy     I am guilty of 8 of them..... alliace is a small odd town(notice i did not say bad)- ODD   I subscribe to  the paper for entertainmnet value(beside UMU sports      y'all got GREAT sports med/docs/ surgeons and the townies dont hate the college kids)although law enforcement is a tad uh aggressive.... its tolerable   i was most certinly not going 75 on rt 62   I got a high tech radar JAMMER/combo detector-nicelaw    cops says you are speeding?   You are based on his experience -and piss on the expensses, i think the big long moppy haired galoot made the right decision-goodl ord 56  700 mile so far round trip minimum and I gotta say its worth it-ESP IF HE HITS 60 AND WINS THE LAST ONE

If your kids has d2 talent or better but# 1 hates to lose(treally hates it) and wants continuity and consistenccy  #2 can stand the pressure and ompetition     UMU is the place to go....... practicesscrimmages are at least as agressive/mean as most of the games are
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 19, 2012, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 06:50:36 PM
Some additional thoughts regarding Adrian's playoff game:

DAWG, what's with only 1475 attending the game?  I would think that with it having been Adrian's first appearance in the DIII playoffs since 1988 (at least for me, it is difficult to believe it was that long ago and that was back in the selection/invitation system at that i.e. before the AQ system was implimented) and also since Adrian was hosting, that there would have been many more than the listed announced attendance for the game.  That is a little disappointing, also given that the students were still on campus and had not left as yet before the Thanksgiving holiday break.  Perhaps most of the attendance was students and, of course, parents of the players.  Still, it is somewhat disappointing to see that even after Adrian rewarded their students/fans (and the administration no less :o ::) :-X - you know what I'm talking about in that regard ;)) with an MIAA championship and the playoff berth, that simply more people would have shown up for that game. 

I assume that Adrian will be essentially in the same category as far as returning talent next year so as to be the favored team and/or certainly one of the top contenders for the league title again (without checking the roster for who you lose in seniors and key positions).

Adrian crowd was sparse for a team that hasn't been in the playoffs since 1988 or so.  Nice stadium though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2012, 08:28:58 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 06:50:36 PM
Some additional thoughts regarding Adrian's playoff game:

DAWG, what's with only 1475 attending the game?  I would think that with it having been Adrian's first appearance in the DIII playoffs since 1988 (at least for me, it is difficult to believe it was that long ago and that was back in the selection/invitation system at that i.e. before the AQ system was implimented) and also since Adrian was hosting, that there would have been many more than the listed announced attendance for the game.  That is a little disappointing, also given that the students were still on campus and had not left as yet before the Thanksgiving holiday break.  Perhaps most of the attendance was students and, of course, parents of the players.  Still, it is somewhat disappointing to see that even after Adrian rewarded their students/fans (and the administration no less :o ::) :-X - you know what I'm talking about in that regard ;)) with an MIAA championship and the playoff berth, that simply more people would have shown up for that game. 

I assume that Adrian will be essentially in the same category as far as returning talent next year so as to be the favored team and/or certainly one of the top contenders for the league title again (without checking the roster for who you lose in seniors and key positions).

Formerd3db:

Looking at the stands I thought there were more than that there, stadium seats around 3K I believe and I didnt see it as half empty. I will say that as far as community support the school suffers, I am not sure why and never really will be I guess but it has been the case as long as I have been associated with the program (going on 13 years). Siena Heights adding a team and Coach Lyall being there also resulted in something of a community shift to the other side of town to follow an NAIA school which is disappointing. Students were still on campus but their attendance has always been hit or miss, even when things are good there is an apathetic streak in some of them, which is disheartening and a large portion of the school still disappears on weekends to go home for whatever reason. The fans that were there were much appreciated and at least for the first half we did have a solid student section in the endzone. Hopefully with this season and if we can carry over and improve on it next year the community will become more supportive and we will have a better crowd should we host the playoffs again.

Adrian does return a large number of starters next year, I believe losing only two defensive starters and 4 offensive starters albeit one is Justin Hemm who will be missed. Im sure the coaches will do an excellent job recruiting again as well, I know this was just the first step in the plan like any program the goal is to compete nationally, not just for MIAA titles (though those are nice too!).

GRIZ_BACKER:

Glad you liked the stadium, its a far improvement from the stadium we played Franklin in when I was a junior, back when we shared Maple Stadium with the local high school. The administration has done great things in terms of facilities and giving teams what it takes to win as well as making large scale improvements to the academic side of campus as well, both of which were needed and they took care of. From what I remember of my senior year, 2003, the stadium you guys have is pretty nice as well, lots of red brick if I recall and a nice layout. Thought the visitors locker rooms were about a half mile away from the field from what I recall! If you liked the football stadium you should have checked out the baseball field and complex out back, they are top notch and even have some Division I coaches envy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 19, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2012, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 19, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 19, 2012, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2012, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 19, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.

Thanks.  Now that I see it spelled out ...I should have known that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2012, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: UMUplayerdad on November 19, 2012, 01:33:13 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 07:57:48 PM
Quote from: UMUplayerdad on November 18, 2012, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2012, 07:06:03 PM
Well, my prediction (not here, but to other friends of mine, some of whom have a connection to the school) was correct that Bill Cubit was on the way out at Western Michigan University as he was fired yesterday after they lost to Eastern Michigan.  After the very good one year they had about 4 years ago or so, they have seemed to go downhill.  Too bad.  I'm not sure who is on the "short list" - there are not that many "hot" names in the coaching ranks it appears as compared to some other years.

Would Tim Lester leave Elmhurst and return to his alma mater, where he starred at QB, for a second coaching stint if offered the opportunity or will he stay put at Elmhurst because of family considerations?  Thoughts anyone on any of this?

And...this is for Mr. Ypsi - how much longer do you think they will give Ron English at Eastern Michigan?

seems like such a long time ago, Cubit and o-line staff was recruiting my kid(of course a red shirt year involved) now while it would have meant lots less money and travel..... my son is a piss poor loser..... he's only  lost last game of the year the last 6 years, but blow outs? if he was on a team that took a 60 point whipping or a team that had a 50% win ratio he would take up golf. So when UMU came calling a little history via google and Vince K's  pep talk made UMU an easy choice(FOR HIM)  PS I was not impressed by Cubit FWIW

Thanks for your sharing your experience.  While I never met Cubit, I had heard similar stories.  One of my former Hope teammates had two of his sons being recurited by them (and Eastern Michigan also).  When they took their recruiting trip to those schools at one of the games, there were only about 1,000 people in the stadium in attendance for the game (and perhaps a little over 2,000 for the other).  His son said to him..."heck, dad, Hope College gets more than this to most of their games and that was a big factor in his decision to go to his dad's (our ;)) alma mater (aside from the fact that his parents could afford to send him to Hope).  The other son actually did go to Western, but transferred to Hope after his first year at Western because despite being 2nd team, he apparently was told P.T. would be "not alot".  Both sons were/have been great players for Hope.

Also, Western Michigan's AD (Kathy Beauregard) is a Hope grad and a former star women's athlete at Hope.  She has done a good job down there, yet hopefully her own hire for FB coach will get them in the right direction.  I also assume that was why Hope got to play Western in basketball last year for a regular season game that counted (i.e. wasn't an exhibition game).  Hope got crushed by them, although I would dare say had it been about 5-6 years ago with the team that Hope had then, they would have beaten Western.  We don't have a game with them this year, but it was a great experience for the players last year.   

straight up this family has hated losing from candyland to risk to statego(which btw I am undefeted for 57ys)     no one cheats, no one is a good losser.... I figure tween  UMUreputation  and vince K's pep talks it cost me over 100k(out of state/ 12mpg gallon vehichle for 4 years) and the "never reaching for  their wallet habit of the in laws)    we have smashed over20 Xbox controlers because of refuse to lose idealogyy     I am guilty of 8 of them..... alliace is a small odd town(notice i did not say bad)- ODD   I subscribe to  the paper for entertainmnet value(beside UMU sports      y'all got GREAT sports med/docs/ surgeons and the townies dont hate the college kids)although law enforcement is a tad uh aggressive.... its tolerable   i was most certinly not going 75 on rt 62   I got a high tech radar JAMMER/combo detector-nicelaw    cops says you are speeding?   You are based on his experience -and piss on the expensses, i think the big long moppy haired galoot made the right decision-goodl ord 56  700 mile so far round trip minimum and I gotta say its worth it-ESP IF HE HITS 60 AND WINS THE LAST ONE

If your kids has d2 talent or better but# 1 hates to lose(treally hates it) and wants continuity and consistenccy  #2 can stand the pressure and ompetition     UMU is the place to go....... practicesscrimmages are at least as agressive/mean as most of the games are

It sounds like Mt Union was a good move for your son.  My son was attracted to Trine because we wanted to be part of the challenge of building up the program, rather than joining a program already set and established.  And he was recruited by Mt Union and we did visit the campus.  When we were leaving Alliance after his visit, he had already been to Trine and said "it would be nice to go to a place where we might win a championship, but I want to help Trine get to that point."  He bought in to the system that new coach Land was putting in.  Before my son arrived, Trine was 2-8.  The four years he played, they went 6-4, 10-1, 10-2, and 11-1.  He was just one part of the team, and I think he and his teammates from that class got a great deal of satisfaction in building it up themselves.  The other factor, and in the long run was even more important, was that they offered a solid educational program in his field of interest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: UMUplayerdad on November 20, 2012, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2012, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 19, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.

the change in name was made 2 years ago, at the time the change was made you would be corrected early and often if you referred to them as mount union and I fell into the habit, sorry for any confusion
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2012, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: UMUplayerdad on November 20, 2012, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2012, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 19, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.

the change in name was made 2 years ago, at the time the change was made you would be corrected early and often if you referred to them as mount union and I fell into the habit, sorry for any confusion

No problem. Although they are technically/officially UMU, I still refer to the school as Mount Union, just like we all usually use only the first name of any of the schools and not attach the "College" or "University" portion to it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 20, 2012, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2012, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: UMUplayerdad on November 20, 2012, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 19, 2012, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 19, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Maybe a dumb question ... what is UMU.

University of Mount Union. Thats Mount Unions official name, though I cant recall really hearing them referred to as such very often.


the change in name was made 2 years ago, at the time the change was made you would be corrected early and often if you referred to them as mount union and I fell into the habit, sorry for any confusion

No problem. Although they are technically/officially UMU, I still refer to the school as Mount Union, just like we all usually use only the first name of any of the schools and not attach the "College" or "University" portion to it.

Once Mount Union, always Mount Union! Much like I still call "Trine" Tri State, old habits die hard and its what I know! I had to do some research to find out it was called University of Mount Union, just seemed like the logical abbreviation though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 21, 2012, 11:47:19 AM
Best Wishes to all the MIAA posters for a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2012, 05:24:58 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 21, 2012, 11:47:19 AM
Best Wishes to all the MIAA posters for a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving! :)

To you as well, good luck to the Purple Raiders this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
I'd like to wish everyone here on our MIAA board (and our frequent visitors as well) a blessed, enjoyable and safe Thanksgiving today and through the weekend, whatever you do and wherever you will be.  It has been a pleasure and privilege in posting with all of you again this season and, of course, I look forward to continuing the same.

Best regards to all,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
Pat Coleman:

Quick question for you.  On your front page in the section of vote for the Gagliardi Trophy, which team has the Michigan style winged helmets that is seen with the photo of the QB?  Just curious - thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2012, 03:13:07 PM
That's Mac Foote, the Middlebury QB.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 25, 2012, 06:51:06 PM
Trivia question:

Who had the first winged helmets ... a.k.a ... "Michigan style"?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
Thanks Pat.  I didn't realize Middlebury had those helmets, but I like it!

DBQB1965:
Well, actually, from what I know, Fritz Crisler, who played for Stagg, was the one who designed those at Michigan back in the 1930's.  He did so (had the wings painted) because he wanted the receivers to be easier seen downfield by the passers (QB or others who threw the ball).  The only other team thereafter that had it before other teams was/is Delaware as they still use it.  Princeton of the Ivy League, Grove City and Middlebury (see above) in DIII have it.  Franklin and Adrian both used it for a short time.  I do not know who else in college might currently use the design, although there are a ton of high schools in Michigan (and other states) who do.

One other question I do not know is whether or not Michigan gets any royalty payments for use of their winged helmet design.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 25, 2012, 10:20:25 PM
formerd3db,

There is a high school in the greater Cleveland area called West Geuaga, that wears
the winged helmet, colors are dark blue, white, red, and their name is the Wolverines! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 26, 2012, 07:24:17 AM
Can't forget the Blue Hens! Joe Flacco wore the wings at Delaware if I do remember correctly
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 26, 2012, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 25, 2012, 06:51:06 PM
Trivia question:

Who had the first winged helmets ... a.k.a ... "Michigan style"?

Indiana was the first to wear the three stripe winged helmet (1933-34) along with Georgetown University (1933-38 and 40-42). Princeton was next (1935, 37-38 to present), all before Michigan began wearing the design in 1938.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2012, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 26, 2012, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 25, 2012, 06:51:06 PM
Trivia question:

Who had the first winged helmets ... a.k.a ... "Michigan style"?

Indiana was the first to wear the three stripe winged helmet (1933-34) along with Georgetown University (1933-38 and 40-42). Princeton was next (1935, 37-38 to present), all before Michigan began wearing the design in 1938.
Quote from: sflzman on November 26, 2012, 07:24:17 AM
Can't forget the Blue Hens! Joe Flacco wore the wings at Delaware if I do remember correctly
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 25, 2012, 10:20:25 PM
formerd3db,

There is a high school in the greater Cleveland area called West Geuaga, that wears
the winged helmet, colors are dark blue, white, red, and their name is the Wolverines! :)
Quote from: formerd3db on November 25, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
Thanks Pat.  I didn't realize Middlebury had those helmets, but I like it!

DBQB1965:
Well, actually, from what I know, Fritz Crisler, who played for Stagg, was the one who designed those at Michigan back in the 1930's.  He did so (had the wings painted) because he wanted the receivers to be easier seen downfield by the passers (QB or others who threw the ball).  The only other team thereafter that had it before other teams was/is Delaware as they still use it.  Princeton of the Ivy League, Grove City and Middlebury (see above) in DIII have it.  Franklin and Adrian both used it for a short time.  I do not know who else in college might currently use the design, although there are a ton of high schools in Michigan (and other states) who do.

One other question I do not know is whether or not Michigan gets any royalty payments for use of their winged helmet design.
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 25, 2012, 06:51:06 PM
Trivia question:

Who had the first winged helmets ... a.k.a ... "Michigan style"?

DAWG:

I wasn't aware that Indiana had those in 1933-34.  If they did, it would be interesting to see the documentation of that.  Otherwise, I think you and I are both correct i.e. as the information/documentation I've always seen is that it was, indeed, Fritz Crisler who designed the helmet, yet you are correct that it was when he was at Princeton University before coming to Michigan.  Without taking the time right now in checking as to what year Crisler started at Princeton, perhaps, Indiana borrowed it from Crisler/Princeton about that time - however, I will check on that i.e. the years that he was at Princeton. Nonetheless, here is what I have seen in regards to the the known documentations:

"Michigan's famed winged football helmet dates back to 1938 when Fritz Crisler arrived from Princeton with his penchant for detail and style.  'Michigan had a plain black helmet and we wanted to dress it up a little,' Fritz recalls.  'We added some color (maize and blue) and used the same basic helmet I had designed at Princeton.'  There was one other consideration.  Fritz thought this unique helmet could be helpful to his passers when they tried to spot their receivers downfield. 'There was a tendency to use different colored helmets just for receivers in those days, but I always thought that would be as helpful for the defense as for the offense,' Fritz explained."

Source: The above is from The 1969 Football Guide and as contained in The University of Michigan Football Scrapbook, by Richard M. Cohen, Jordan A. Deutsch and David S. Neft, (BOBBS-MERRILL, Indianapolis/New York, 19780, p. 93.


Also, Raider68- interesting about that Cleveland High School.  Grove City College also has the nickname Wolverines, however, their colors are Red and White, so they have a white helmet with the red wings/3 stripes color schematic.

slfzman:  Indeed you are correct (I mentioned Delaware also).  Although, Delware's blue is not quite as dark as Michigan's and they have also had a small blue stripe on their yellow pants in the past I believe.

Anyway, interesting trivia topic - thanks DBQB1965! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 26, 2012, 12:48:32 PM
formerd3db:

http://www.spartanjerseys.com/michigan-state-football-jersey-helmet/winged-helmet/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2012, 12:53:31 PM
Follow-up Re: winged helmet design

Fritz Crisler coached at his alma mater University of Chicago from 1922-1929 as an assistant to his former coach Amos Alonzo Stagg.  Crisler then coached at the University of Minnesota from 1930-1931 and then at Princeton University from 1932-1937.  His last Princeton team was invited to the Rose Bowl but the school administration declined and instead, Columbia, which had lost to Princeton, went instead and defeated Stanford in that bowl game.

At any rate, Crisler came to the University of Michigan, where he was head coach from 1938-1949.  According to all the historical information I could find (University of Michigan's Bentley Historical Library, also on Wikipedia and some others - you can check these on the internet), those relate that it was Crisler who designed the winged helmet, first at Princeton and then brought it to Michigan, where it got national attention.  There is no mention of it being used at Minnesota or Indiana earlier, although there is documentation that different colors were being used on helmets about that time (1933 or so) as previously mentioned and that Spaulding Sporting Goods featured it on their cover in 1938 with a picture of Princeton players using it in their game against Chicago the year before. 

Just as I was unable to find any info to suggest its earlier use, DAWG has now presented us with the new historical info - very interesting! This just proves that new research can always find "the missing link" or add/correct prior historical information.  Even Crisler always said that he first designed the helmet at Princeton, however, perhaps he was talking about his own specific use and color scheme of that, which is actually supported by the information in the article/web page (Spartan Jerseys) that DAWG located and provided for us.

Anyway, thanks to DAWG for finding information that documents more history on this.

(P.S.  I ammended this post because literally as I was typing it, DAWG posted the new info).  +k to DAWG!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2012, 07:43:53 PM
Here's an interesting question/dilemma for everyone to comment on in regards to your opinions on this.  I realize this is a DI issue, however, it still is intriguing.  One of Alabama's star receivers is now out indefinitely with a fractured leg sustained in this past weekend's game against Auburn (he had surgery today it was reported and it is unclear whether he will be able to return for whatever bowl game Alabama ends up going to).  So with him out, Alabama is down to 4 or 5 receivers and it is reported that Saban is considering using their top freshman receiver prospect, who was to be redshirted this year.  He has been practicing this fall and getting a lot of reps the past 3 weeks apparently.

So the question is...if you were that player, would you sacrifice basically an entire year that you were to be red-shirted to play in two final games of the season and then only have 3 years left?  I think that most of us would answer they probably would if the head coach asked them to, however, that would still be a very difficult decision to make.  You would really be sacrificing for the good of the team, but giving up much.  I think at this point, however, that certainly a head coach could also not be faulted for not playing him and saving his red-shirt season.  If Alabama plays in the National Championship game, I'd bet that Saban would persuade the kid to play, obviously because of the high stakes.  On the other hand, if it is another bowl game and not the title game, then I would think not wasting the red-shirt year would be the better choice i.e. the better part of valor.  But...who knows with Saban! :o ::) :P :D ;)

Anyway, it is an interesting dilemma and I am interested to hear your thoughts/comments/opinions on the same.  What would you do if you were the Head Coach and what would you do if you were the player?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on November 26, 2012, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2012, 07:43:53 PM
Here's an interesting question/dilemma for everyone to comment on in regards to your opinions on this.  I realize this is a DI issue, however, it still is intriguing.  One of Alabama's star receivers is now out indefinitely with a fractured leg sustained in this past weekend's game against Auburn (he had surgery today it was reported and it is unclear whether he will be able to return for whatever bowl game Alabama ends up going to).  So with him out, Alabama is down to 4 or 5 receivers and it is reported that Saban is considering using their top freshman receiver prospect, who was to be redshirted this year.  He has been practicing this fall and getting a lot of reps the past 3 weeks apparently.

So the question is...if you were that player, would you sacrifice basically an entire year that you were to be red-shirted to play in two final games of the season and then only have 3 years left?  I think that most of us would answer they probably would if the head coach asked them to, however, that would still be a very difficult decision to make.  You would really be sacrificing for the good of the team, but giving up much.  I think at this point, however, that certainly a head coach could also not be faulted for not playing him and saving his red-shirt season.  If Alabama plays in the National Championship game, I'd bet that Saban would persuade the kid to play, obviously because of the high stakes.  On the other hand, if it is another bowl game and not the title game, then I would think not wasting the red-shirt year would be the better choice i.e. the better part of valor.  But...who knows with Saban! :o ::) :P :D ;)

Anyway, it is an interesting dilemma and I am interested to hear your thoughts/comments/opinions on the same.  What would you do if you were the Head Coach and what would you do if you were the player?
Former, I will pm you in the morning. Would have done it sooner, but was just a little tired from two week-ends on the west coast. As for your story: I think it is unfair to put that kind of pressure on a freshman who might be just a little bit intimidated to do what the coach asks, especially if he also gets pressured from his teammates. I would hope they would not use this kid and let him have his four years of eligibility.The time all of us have as athletes is short and to give up a year for one or two games is asking alot from any player, even if they do get a shot at the National Championship. Just my two cents worth.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 26, 2012, 08:23:17 PM
formerd3db,

Check your PM and your email! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 26, 2012, 10:33:01 PM
Isnt there some contingency that a player can play in 30% of games and still redshirt or am I confusing that with a medical hardship?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2012, 10:35:05 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2012, 07:43:53 PM
Here's an interesting question/dilemma for everyone to comment on in regards to your opinions on this.  I realize this is a DI issue, however, it still is intriguing.  One of Alabama's star receivers is now out indefinitely with a fractured leg sustained in this past weekend's game against Auburn (he had surgery today it was reported and it is unclear whether he will be able to return for whatever bowl game Alabama ends up going to).  So with him out, Alabama is down to 4 or 5 receivers and it is reported that Saban is considering using their top freshman receiver prospect, who was to be redshirted this year.  He has been practicing this fall and getting a lot of reps the past 3 weeks apparently.

So the question is...if you were that player, would you sacrifice basically an entire year that you were to be red-shirted to play in two final games of the season and then only have 3 years left?  I think that most of us would answer they probably would if the head coach asked them to, however, that would still be a very difficult decision to make.  You would really be sacrificing for the good of the team, but giving up much.  I think at this point, however, that certainly a head coach could also not be faulted for not playing him and saving his red-shirt season.  If Alabama plays in the National Championship game, I'd bet that Saban would persuade the kid to play, obviously because of the high stakes.  On the other hand, if it is another bowl game and not the title game, then I would think not wasting the red-shirt year would be the better choice i.e. the better part of valor.  But...who knows with Saban! :o ::) :P :D ;)

Anyway, it is an interesting dilemma and I am interested to hear your thoughts/comments/opinions on the same.  What would you do if you were the Head Coach and what would you do if you were the player?

Wow, that is tough.  If the player is red-shirted, are they still receiving scholarship $ for school? If so, they sort of are getting paid to play even if they are red-shirted.

If I were the coach, I might indeed ask the player if they would be willing to suit up for the big time.  National Championship implications!  If I were the player, I would jump at that and not even wait for the coach to ask.  There is no guarantee that they will be in the same situation ever again (although being on a team like Alabama you might expect it).  Also, injuries could happen that might prevent you from ever reaching that opportunity again.  Also, the coach would certainly appreciate that dedication to the team. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 26, 2012, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2012, 07:43:53 PM
Here's an interesting question/dilemma for everyone to comment on in regards to your opinions on this.  I realize this is a DI issue, however, it still is intriguing.  One of Alabama's star receivers is now out indefinitely with a fractured leg sustained in this past weekend's game against Auburn (he had surgery today it was reported and it is unclear whether he will be able to return for whatever bowl game Alabama ends up going to).  So with him out, Alabama is down to 4 or 5 receivers and it is reported that Saban is considering using their top freshman receiver prospect, who was to be redshirted this year.  He has been practicing this fall and getting a lot of reps the past 3 weeks apparently.

So the question is...if you were that player, would you sacrifice basically an entire year that you were to be red-shirted to play in two final games of the season and then only have 3 years left?  I think that most of us would answer they probably would if the head coach asked them to, however, that would still be a very difficult decision to make.  You would really be sacrificing for the good of the team, but giving up much.  I think at this point, however, that certainly a head coach could also not be faulted for not playing him and saving his red-shirt season.  If Alabama plays in the National Championship game, I'd bet that Saban would persuade the kid to play, obviously because of the high stakes.  On the other hand, if it is another bowl game and not the title game, then I would think not wasting the red-shirt year would be the better choice i.e. the better part of valor.  But...who knows with Saban! :o ::) :P :D ;)

Anyway, it is an interesting dilemma and I am interested to hear your thoughts/comments/opinions on the same.  What would you do if you were the Head Coach and what would you do if you were the player?

Interesting dilemma, but if necessary I'd burn the redshirt. If he is one of Bama's top prospects, presumably, he hopes to play in the NFL one day, and many top prospects leave school before their senior year or fifth year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2012, 07:50:23 AM
Good comments from everyone.  Indeed, it is an interesting dilemma.  Obviously, it comes down between the coach and the player.  With not playing all season until the end (and only practicing intently i.e. getting serious reps only in the last 3 weeks), even if a budding superstar, it would be taking a chance because there is no guarantee that player would be the "saving grace" for the team.  On the other hand, remember Tony Dorsett from Pitt - he didn't even play in the first 3 games of his freshman year, but due to injuries to the 5 running backs ahead of him on the depth chart, he started the remaining games and went on to rush for over 1,000 yards that season and..."you know the rest of the story". ;)

As to DAWG's question, that % has to be in the first part of the season.  Beyond that time, if you play, it counts as a full season of eligibility and, also, in that regard, you can't break up the season and only use parts of it, including for a medical redshirt.

Thanks for your opinions/comments.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  As to my own opinion, again, I think that unless Alabama does end up playing for the national championship and only going to one of the lesser bowls, I would not burn the redshirt year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 30, 2012, 09:43:47 AM
So I guess that no one here on our board (including myself) has much, if anything, to say about the remaining DIII (or even DII or FCS) playoff games? ::) :D ;)  It has been quiet here.

Nonetheless, in watching the Louisville/Rutgers game on ESPN last evening, while Louisville is obviously a good team this year (they won a share with Rutgers of the Big East title with the win last night), Rutgers sure blew that game.  They had multiple chances that would have won the game (dropped passes and runs fot TD's, turnovers, etc.).  They did have a huge crowd at Rutger's stadium (second largest ever at over 52,000), so that is perhaps a good sign for the Big Ten as they come in to the league in leaving the Big East.  Louisville, of course, announced this week that they are also leaving the Big East for the ACC.  This conference alignment is crazy, but, once again, understandable because of it "being all about the $".

Personally, I would have liked to see the Big Ten bring in Missouri and Pittsburgh and perhaps even Cincinnati, although it is my understanding that Illinois blocked Missouri coming in and Ohio State was reluctant for the other two schools.  Yet, not sure those made any sense (I know why they were opposed i.e. due to the closer proximity of the market share for fans, recruiting - those two aspects mainly as that is what they said, but even the TV/media aspects also) because we have Michigan/Michigan State here in our state and that has not been a major issue.

Anyway, as some of the sports pundits have been saying, I tend to agree that we will probably eventually see that these super-conferences will form the framework of the later revised DI playoff system such as eventually going to at least an 8 team playoff (from their initial planned 4 team playoff) similar to what DIII and DII did at the beginning and that also being the end of the conference championship games that everyone is having now.  The latter of which IMO is ridiculous.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  $ drives everything anymore today as we all know. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on November 30, 2012, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 30, 2012, 09:43:47 AM
So I guess that no one here on our board (including myself) has much, if anything, to say about the remaining DIII (or even DII or FCS) playoff games? ::) :D ;)  It has been quiet here.

Nonetheless, in watching the Louisville/Rutgers game on ESPN last evening, while Louisville is obviously a good team this year (they won a share with Rutgers of the Big East title with the win last night), Rutgers sure blew that game.  They had multiple chances that would have won the game (dropped passes and runs fot TD's, turnovers, etc.).  They did have a huge crowd at Rutger's stadium (second largest ever at over 52,000), so that is perhaps a good sign for the Big Ten as they come in to the league in leaving the Big East.  Louisville, of course, announced this week that they are also leaving the Big East for the ACC.  This conference alignment is crazy, but, once again, understandable because of it "being all about the $".

Personally, I would have liked to see the Big Ten bring in Missouri and Pittsburgh and perhaps even Cincinnati, although it is my understanding that Illinois blocked Missouri coming in and Ohio State was reluctant for the other two schools.  Yet, not sure those made any sense (I know why they were opposed i.e. due to the closer proximity of the market share for fans, recruiting - those two aspects mainly as that is what they said, but even the TV/media aspects also) because we have Michigan/Michigan State here in our state and that has not been a major issue.

Anyway, as some of the sports pundits have been saying, I tend to agree that we will probably eventually see that these super-conferences will form the framework of the later revised DI playoff system such as eventually going to at least an 8 team playoff (from their initial planned 4 team playoff) similar to what DIII and DII did at the beginning and that also being the end of the conference championship games that everyone is having now.  The latter of which IMO is ridiculous.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  $ drives everything anymore today as we all know. ;)
It's been quiet on the CCIW board (well, even more than usual) now that both of our teams are out. I agree, $$$ drives everything in D1 football. Will be interesting to see how the D1 play-off system operates, as it expands, and what happens to some of the bowl games. What I  really want to know is will  ;Dthe Big Ten will change it's name, and to what ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 30, 2012, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: newcardfan on November 30, 2012, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 30, 2012, 09:43:47 AM
So I guess that no one here on our board (including myself) has much, if anything, to say about the remaining DIII (or even DII or FCS) playoff games? ::) :D ;)  It has been quiet here.

Nonetheless, in watching the Louisville/Rutgers game on ESPN last evening, while Louisville is obviously a good team this year (they won a share with Rutgers of the Big East title with the win last night), Rutgers sure blew that game.  They had multiple chances that would have won the game (dropped passes and runs fot TD's, turnovers, etc.).  They did have a huge crowd at Rutger's stadium (second largest ever at over 52,000), so that is perhaps a good sign for the Big Ten as they come in to the league in leaving the Big East.  Louisville, of course, announced this week that they are also leaving the Big East for the ACC.  This conference alignment is crazy, but, once again, understandable because of it "being all about the $".

Personally, I would have liked to see the Big Ten bring in Missouri and Pittsburgh and perhaps even Cincinnati, although it is my understanding that Illinois blocked Missouri coming in and Ohio State was reluctant for the other two schools.  Yet, not sure those made any sense (I know why they were opposed i.e. due to the closer proximity of the market share for fans, recruiting - those two aspects mainly as that is what they said, but even the TV/media aspects also) because we have Michigan/Michigan State here in our state and that has not been a major issue.

Anyway, as some of the sports pundits have been saying, I tend to agree that we will probably eventually see that these super-conferences will form the framework of the later revised DI playoff system such as eventually going to at least an 8 team playoff (from their initial planned 4 team playoff) similar to what DIII and DII did at the beginning and that also being the end of the conference championship games that everyone is having now.  The latter of which IMO is ridiculous.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  $ drives everything anymore today as we all know. ;)
It's been quiet on the CCIW board (well, even more than usual) now that both of our teams are out. I agree, $$$ drives everything in D1 football. Will be interesting to see how the D1 play-off system operates, as it expands, and what happens to some of the bowl games. What I  really want to know is will  ;Dthe Big Ten will change it's name, and to what ;D ;D ;D ;D

newcard:

Yes, my friend, it will be interesting to see if they change the name.  I realize for the sake of tradition and history, they have kept the "Big Ten" name.  However, I think that is now somewhat ridiculous with additional teams, just as it is in the other major conferences (Pac-12, Big 12, etc.) and IMO, the names should be changed accordingly.  Whether all these conferences will do that remains to be seen, although I kind of think they won't do it, yet who knows?  These crazy changes are happening almost daily now.

Also, in that regard, IMO, it is kind of ridiculous to have west coast teams in the Big East and/or vice versa east coast teams in mid-west or farther - kind of joke and...think of the travel costs involved.  I thought every one wanted to try and keep those controlled, yet with all the $ being thrown around and the media coverage/providing of $, I guess it is kind of a "free for all".  Kind of like our government i.e. the WH is doing. :o :D  Oops!  I'm not supposed to bring in "real" politics here, but at the same time, it is really politics with regards to the college football world. :D :o ::) ;D :) ;)

BTW, I can certainly understand where you are at this time i.e. your football withdrawl as you posted on the other board.  Although the DIII, DII and FCS playoffs are still going and the DI bowl season nearing (even with a few DI games left this weekend and the FCS title game not even being until the first week of January), I am already starting to feel the effects of that too! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 30, 2012, 12:07:56 PM
The Big Ten Network is the Big Ten's brand now, the name will not change.

Same conference that despite complete and utter contempt for the names of their divisions from the public stuck with them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 30, 2012, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: sac on November 30, 2012, 12:07:56 PM
The Big Ten Network is the Big Ten's brand now, the name will not change.

Same conference that despite complete and utter contempt for the names of their divisions from the public stuck with them.

What if they went back to their original name as the "Western Conference"?  That makes about as much sense!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on November 30, 2012, 12:50:37 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 30, 2012, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: sac on November 30, 2012, 12:07:56 PM
The Big Ten Network is the Big Ten's brand now, the name will not change.

Same conference that despite complete and utter contempt for the names of their divisions from the public stuck with them.

What if they went back to their original name as the "Western Conference"?  That makes about as much sense!
Or have 2 divisions of 10 teams each and they can be the B1G2 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 30, 2012, 01:06:34 PM
Just moaning some more, but I'll add that it's ridiculous that the Big Ten has 14 teams, the Big 12 has ten teams, and they won't change the names.  Even with the "branding" and whatnot.  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 30, 2012, 03:53:32 PM
I cant see the Big Ten changing their name, its too well established. The Big 12 should just go away, would make sense to have a split between PAC and SEC as many schools are either western or gulf coast which creates a nice split. I dont know how any of the other Big 12 schools can stomach staying there, with the amount of deference that Texas is treated with, which was a direct reason for A & M bolting, but judging how well they did Texas and the Big 12 probably appreciate that. I would say if nothing else Big 12 should change its name as a conference its only been around since 1996(I think) and there isnt much tradition to it. The Big Ten is a big brand, as alluded to with the Big Ten Network and they have resisted a change as far back as the addition of their 11th member. Its been some time since they have truly been the Big Ten as noted by their former logo which incorporated the 11 into it, which I always thought was neat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 30, 2012, 10:41:01 PM
As I peruse Twitter this evening the rumor popping up now is that UVA and Georgia Tech will announce on Monday they are leaving the ACC. Will join the Big Ten. Ga Tech makes sense as it gets Big Ten into Atlanta TV market. ACC would be crippled after that, have to imagine FSU would try to jump ship next, SEC? Big 12?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 30, 2012, 11:10:19 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 30, 2012, 10:41:01 PM
As I peruse Twitter this evening the rumor popping up now is that UVA and Georgia Tech will announce on Monday they are leaving the ACC. Will join the Big Ten. Ga Tech makes sense as it gets Big Ten into Atlanta TV market. ACC would be crippled after that, have to imagine FSU would try to jump ship next, SEC? Big 12?
SEC likely won't accept Florida State.....they have standards ::)  FSU to Big 12

Argh, that is all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 01, 2012, 11:22:07 AM
ExTartan, DAWG and sac:

Good comments and I agree with you all.

BTW, two great DI games last evening for conference championships.  The MAC Championship game at Ford Field in Detroit with Kent State/Northern Illinois, both nationally ranked #17 and #21 respectively going into that game, with a BCS bowl bid on the line.  Both teams are very good and have come a long way, especially Kent State.  But NIU won their second straight MAC title in double OT in a whirlwind game- it was really good with tons of scoring back and forth in the 4th quarter.  Either team could have won that game and actually Kent State had their chances about 3-4 times to win the game in regulation, but faltered in the red zone in all of those up until the late 4th quarter.  I was impressed with each teams FG kickers - fantastic (NIU's guy won the MAC title game with his kick last year and again tying the game last night in the first OT).

The other game was the PAC-12 Championship with Stanford and UCLA.  Another great game with each team having its chances to win, but especially UCLA squandering their chances.  They could have beat Stanford, but the latter showed just how good a team they are also and they held out, to grab the Rose Bowl bid.  So whoever from the Big Ten playes them i.e. the winner of the Nebraska/Wisconsin game, will have a tough time IMO.  But...on a somewhat unimportant sidelight, it will be an "all Red and white" Rose Bowl as far as team colors, unless Stanford wears their black uniforms and black helmets like they did last evening.  I also liked UCLA's other uniforms they wore last weekend which had a navy blue helmet and gold UCLA script logo and Navy blue jersey's and pants, although they wore their usual conventional uniform for the Stanford game last evening.  Must be nice to have all that $ from the Nike and/or Adidas companies to have several different helmets and uniforms - too bad we couldn't have that in DIII. :D ;) :) ::)

Anyway, should be some interesting games today at all the divisions and, of course, in our DIII playoffs.  I think most people are pretty much in the same opinion as to the 4 teams who will get to the semis in DIII after today's games are done.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 01, 2012, 12:02:22 PM
I sure hope Stanford doesnt wear the black uni's.  I hate the black for black sake uniforms, its not a color and their uniforms are so classic they should stick with them. I also harbor negative feelings toward UCLA's navy blue combo. Its just not their color, they wear the powder blue and wear it well, its still in their endzones, coaches hats, etc but is absent from their road uniforms (the helmet and piping are navy blue) and its a shame. One of the most visually pleasings I look forward to is UCLA vs USC when both are in their colors, just a wonderful visual sight!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 01, 2012, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 01, 2012, 12:02:22 PM
I sure hope Stanford doesnt wear the black uni's.  I hate the black for black sake uniforms, its not a color and their uniforms are so classic they should stick with them. I also harbor negative feelings toward UCLA's navy blue combo. Its just not their color, they wear the powder blue and wear it well, its still in their endzones, coaches hats, etc but is absent from their road uniforms (the helmet and piping are navy blue) and its a shame. One of the most visually pleasings I look forward to is UCLA vs USC when both are in their colors, just a wonderful visual sight!

Nothing will be worse than the Notre Dame basketball unis the other night! You couldn't red the names or numbers! The jerseys were black with black numbers and a dark green outline!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 04, 2012, 03:06:51 PM
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Yeah those were terrible.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 05, 2012, 08:20:03 AM
Non Division 3 related, but piqued my interest. Jerry Moore the coach from Appalachian State recently "stepped down" which blows my mind. I say "stepped down" because any time theres a meeting with admin to decide when your last season will be, I dont get the feeling its voluntary.  A career record at App St of 215-87 with 146-40 conference record culminating with two 8-4 years with losses in the second round of the playoffs. Completely disregarding the overall record and fact that he won back to back National Titles in 06 and 07 this firing is completely shocking to me that the University would assist in his stepping down, makes me really wonder what App St is going to do to match or improve the HC spot.

Also, Brett Bielama to Arkansas? Thats a shocker and head scratcher at the same time. From a guy who complained about Urban Meyers aggressive recruiting in the Big Ten, hes really gonna love recruiting against 13 guys that do the same thing. Feels like a step down to me and all reports are that it was less than a classy departure from Wisconsin, with Alvarez completely in the dark and the assistants being blown off for all intents and purposes. There was a lot of turnover in his staff coming into this last season so they are new faces but theres likely a reason for the turnover related to Bielama.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 05, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
Jerry Moore is 73 years old, this is just how our society works now. :-\



I don't know what Bielema is thinking, that sure came out of left field.  It's not even really about money, only $700,000 more in salary than if he stayed at UW.  If Wisconsin brings back Paul Chryst the biggest loser in this is Pittsburgh who will be looking for something like their 4th coach in 5 years since letting Wanstedt go.

At Arkansas you'll never out recruit LSU or Alabama as long as Miles and Saban are there, and I really think TAM is going to start raking in the Texas recruits now that they're in and have proved they can win in the SEC.  It's a head scratcher.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 05, 2012, 05:23:51 PM
DAWG and sac:

I agree with you both.  As to Bielema, I am really not a fan of his, especially after the way he treated his assistants this year, particularly firing his offensive coach early in the season.  I don't care how much one might disagree with someone's play calling or game plan at their position coach duties, that is simply classless and a low blow to do that to anyone during the season.  Besides, Bielema could have worked something out with that coach i.e. "a directive" as to how he preferred that coach to approach the challenges.  Unless the coach did something egregious or unlawful or morally wrong, there really is no excuse for letting someone go like that.  I lost a ton of respect for Bielema when he did that and more now in how he i.e. the manner in which has apparently left Wisconsin.  Alvarez is a class coach/AD and individual.  I hate to say this, however, I will not be unhappy if Bielema falls on his face at Arkansas and as you have pointed out, now he can have fun trying to work against the other SEC coaches who have the same kind of mentality that he has (Saban, Miles, etc).  Also, I can't say I shed a tear when Auburn let Chizum go, after he "stiffed" Iowa State. :D ;) ::)

Another surprise was Addazio leaving Temple and going to Boston College.  Now, do any of you think Butch Jones will leave Cincinnati for either of the two schools he interviewed with?

As to the Appalachian State situation, indeed that is sad.  Come...he wasn't having losing seasons and for crying out loud (I'm using that mildly as I have more severe quotes I'm thinking about and would really like to use :o ::) ;D :) :P >:() Stagg coached into his late 90's, Paterno in his 80's and Gagliardi also.  You are right sac that is how our society works now, but in many ways, it is simply pathetic and those people should be ashamed of themselves for such behavior.  Unfortunately, most of them don't have the integrity to even do the latter; it's all about the $, a big business as we all know and that is sad, even though we all love the college game.  Just another reason why DIII is, for the majority of the time, above all that, although we do have our problems from time to time in similar veins. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2012, 06:12:06 PM
Re: Jerry Moore - has it occurred to anyone that in his 70s he wanted to retire, and App St. simply wanted to know when so they could be prepared?  MAYBE he was forced out, but I haven't seen the evidence.

Re: Brett Bielema - on the WIAC board at least one poster is not at all in mourning, saying classmates thought he was an a**hole even as a college student.  I have no further thoughts on him - just wanted to mention that.  (To paraphrase another WIAC poster: I hope he doesn't think he can make the BCS with 5 losses in the SEC! [My addendum: why not? 3/4 of the SEC teams should probably be on probation, so the title game would be Vanderbilt vs. Kentucky - which is ironic as Kentucky is probably historically the most illegal team in the SEC in basketball!])
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 05, 2012, 06:26:56 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

Certainly you are right in that line of thought as well.  I should have clarified my opinion by saying that..."if Moore was forced out...etc.".  As you have said, no details have been released and obviously, I do not know.  However, IF the decision to retire was not his and he was forced out, the opinions/thoughts we've discussed on that disparaging side of the issue are indeed legit.

Also, interesting as to what you shared further about Bielema in regards to what is being/has been said about him in "the rogue media" :o ::) ;D.  If all that is true, it would not surprise me.

BTW, here is the next latest coaching change - Kent State's Hazell (who is a former DIII player at Muskingum College and former assistant at Ohio State under Tressel as well as many other DI assistant coaching stints including Western Michigan and Army, etc.) takes the Purdue job.  Wow!  I think that is a good hire for Purdue, but a bummer loss for Kent State.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 05, 2012, 06:32:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2012, 06:12:06 PM
Re: Jerry Moore - has it occurred to anyone that in his 70s he wanted to retire, and App St. simply wanted to know when so they could be prepared?  MAYBE he was forced out, but I haven't seen the evidence.

Its been said Moore wanted to coach another year.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/02/3702168/appalachian-state-head-football.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2012, 06:39:05 PM
Quote from: sac on December 05, 2012, 06:32:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2012, 06:12:06 PM
Re: Jerry Moore - has it occurred to anyone that in his 70s he wanted to retire, and App St. simply wanted to know when so they could be prepared?  MAYBE he was forced out, but I haven't seen the evidence.

Its been said Moore wanted to coach another year.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/02/3702168/appalachian-state-head-football.html

Thanks for the link - +k.

The article definitely sounded like a 'he said, he said' scenario; perhaps he changed his mind about one more year a little too late?  I have no idea about the answer to that, but wish him well in retirement.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 06, 2012, 08:20:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2012, 06:12:06 PM
Re: Jerry Moore - has it occurred to anyone that in his 70s he wanted to retire, and App St. simply wanted to know when so they could be prepared?  MAYBE he was forced out, but I haven't seen the evidence.

Re: Brett Bielema - on the WIAC board at least one poster is not at all in mourning, saying classmates thought he was an a**hole even as a college student.  I have no further thoughts on him - just wanted to mention that.  (To paraphrase another WIAC poster: I hope he doesn't think he can make the BCS with 5 losses in the SEC! [My addendum: why not? 3/4 of the SEC teams should probably be on probation, so the title game would be Vanderbilt vs. Kentucky - which is ironic as Kentucky is probably historically the most illegal team in the SEC in basketball!])

Mr. Ypsi,

I agree with the WIAC poster, the former Wisconsin coach never impressed me. Hopefully Barry
can hire someone more in his mold as a coach and gentlemen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 06, 2012, 02:58:42 PM
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This brings an end to the tremendous 15 year run of the Purdue mustache.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2012, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 06, 2012, 08:20:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2012, 06:12:06 PM
Re: Jerry Moore - has it occurred to anyone that in his 70s he wanted to retire, and App St. simply wanted to know when so they could be prepared?  MAYBE he was forced out, but I haven't seen the evidence.

Re: Brett Bielema - on the WIAC board at least one poster is not at all in mourning, saying classmates thought he was an a**hole even as a college student.  I have no further thoughts on him - just wanted to mention that.  (To paraphrase another WIAC poster: I hope he doesn't think he can make the BCS with 5 losses in the SEC! [My addendum: why not? 3/4 of the SEC teams should probably be on probation, so the title game would be Vanderbilt vs. Kentucky - which is ironic as Kentucky is probably historically the most illegal team in the SEC in basketball!])

Mr. Ypsi,

I agree with the WIAC poster, the former Wisconsin coach never impressed me. Hopefully Barry
can hire someone more in his mold as a coach and gentlemen.

Ditto, Raider68!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 07, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Butch Jones to Tennessee.  After he turned down Purdue and seemed luke warm on Colorado I figure either he didn't think this was the time or there was something bigger out there.

Tennessee is bigger. 


Question now is does this open the door for Pat Narduzzi to test the HC waters and head to Cincinnati?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 07, 2012, 08:10:14 PM
Quote from: sac on December 07, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Butch Jones to Tennessee.  After he turned down Purdue and seemed luke warm on Colorado I figure either he didn't think this was the time or there was something bigger out there.

Tennessee is bigger. 


Question now is does this open the door for Pat Narduzzi to test the HC waters and head to Cincinnati?

That's what the rumor mill is among all the pundits.  Also, IMO, Colorado would have been a "mini-suicide" or mini-dumpster fire (if I may borrow the latter term from some of our colleague's - a great term!), at least at this time.

Also, some of the pundits are saying again that Cincinnati might be a consideration for the Big Ten, although that league has said it is putting further expansion on hold for now, but not ruling instigating that again at sometime in the [longer] future.  IMO, I still think it would have been good for the Big Ten to take in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati (and Missouri), although there were many "issues" with that from a variety of sources and perhaps Pitt did not want to consider that (again, as some have mentioned, Illinois was the main opponent against Missouri coming in).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 01:49:04 AM
Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban. ;D :D  Sheeeesh....! :D ;D ::) ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 09, 2012, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 01:49:04 AM
Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban. ;D :D  Sheeeesh....! :D ;D ::) ;)

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2012, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 01:49:04 AM
Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban. ;D :D  Sheeeesh....! :D ;D ::) ;)

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

You are right about the Auburn deal with Tuberville.  However, I have little respect for them as they've been disingenuous (that's putting it lightly) and sneaky about how they handle almost all aspects including the coaching hires. While I realize not everyone liked Terry Bowden, the way they treated him and let him go was unexcusable.

I think we all agree that we don't necessarily begrudge coaches from leaving for "greener pastures", however, where I have a problem with it is how it is done at times and...I'm not sure that Cincinnati is a "greener pasture" as far as what he had at Texas Tech, although the details of his contract at Cincinnati have not been released.  Tuberville's leaving Mississippi is understandable; I'm not sure I agree in that vein with his leaving Texas Tech. I like Cincinnati and over the years they "overall" have done a good job.  However, it is not the profile program that Texas Tech is, Tuberville is a "southern guy" and...his friend who was in the administration at Auburn in hiring him there is now the AD at Cincinnati and Tuberville admits that is the main reason he took the job.

So we'll see how this one plays out.  Also, I'm not sure where Cincinnati will end up as far as a conference.  I will be surprised if it is really one of the the big ones you are thinking about and as much as I like the Big Ten, they have a long way to go to get to being considered one of those- at least in the eyes of the pundits, but then, who cares what the pundits think? :o ::) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
I SERIOUSLY doubt the Big Ten has eyes on Cincinnati.  It is now clear that this once proud academic conference is now run by the Big Ten Network.  And what customers (i.e., cable companies) could Cincinnati draw that are not already drawn by Ohio State?

I suspect they were already wildly overly optimistic on what Rutgers and Maryland would draw, but at least (in their dreams) they drew New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore/Washington.  I'm not sure they could even fantasize that Cincinnati would add anyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 10, 2012, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
I SERIOUSLY doubt the Big Ten has eyes on Cincinnati.  It is now clear that this once proud academic conference is now run by the Big Ten Network.  And what customers (i.e., cable companies) could Cincinnati draw that are not already drawn by Ohio State?

I suspect they were already wildly overly optimistic on what Rutgers and Maryland would draw, but at least (in their dreams) they drew New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore/Washington.  I'm not sure they could even fantasize that Cincinnati would add anyone.

I think you are right Mr. Ypsi.  From what the cable/TV college football pundits have said, Ohio State would be against/block the Big Ten administrators from bringing in any team in Ohio (just like Illinois did re: Missouri from the reports we all heard).  Personally, I don't think Cincinnati would be a threat to Ohio State in hurting them in attendance, etc..  Also, Cincinnati wouldn't be any worse - actually would be better to have in the conferenc than Maryland, IMO.  Rutgers is okay/fine.  But again, I think the Big Ten missed out in trying to get Pitt in - from a travel standpoint, that would have been good and also the already longtime established rivalry they have with Penn State.  Nonetheless, you are right in their being overly optimistic about the markets in the eastern areas with Maryland and Rutgers coming in.  Time will obviously tell.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 10, 2012, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
I SERIOUSLY doubt the Big Ten has eyes on Cincinnati.  It is now clear that this once proud academic conference is now run by the Big Ten Network.  And what customers (i.e., cable companies) could Cincinnati draw that are not already drawn by Ohio State?

I suspect they were already wildly overly optimistic on what Rutgers and Maryland would draw, but at least (in their dreams) they drew New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore/Washington.  I'm not sure they could even fantasize that Cincinnati would add anyone.

Let me give you a first hand perspective on Cincinnati as it relates to Ohio State.  Cincinnati is on an island from the rest of Ohio, its people are territorial.  They wouldn't gain new Big 10 fans by adding Cincy -- those who aren't fans, usually hate Ohio State. 

However -- I view it more like formerd3db does -- they would never add another state school into their own conference (Ohio State).  That way they can still tout the loss to Oberlin in 1921 as being their last loss to an in-state team.  They removed UC from the schedule after the close call at Paul Brown Stadium in September of 2002 -- after they made UC return the trip to Columbus in 2004.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 10, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2012, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 01:49:04 AM
Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban. ;D :D  Sheeeesh....! :D ;D ::) ;)

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

You are right about the Auburn deal with Tuberville.  However, I have little respect for them as they've been disingenuous (that's putting it lightly) and sneaky about how they handle almost all aspects including the coaching hires. While I realize not everyone liked Terry Bowden, the way they treated him and let him go was unexcusable.

I think we all agree that we don't necessarily begrudge coaches from leaving for "greener pastures", however, where I have a problem with it is how it is done at times and...I'm not sure that Cincinnati is a "greener pasture" as far as what he had at Texas Tech, although the details of his contract at Cincinnati have not been released.  Tuberville's leaving Mississippi is understandable; I'm not sure I agree in that vein with his leaving Texas Tech. I like Cincinnati and over the years they "overall" have done a good job.  However, it is not the profile program that Texas Tech is, Tuberville is a "southern guy" and...his friend who was in the administration at Auburn in hiring him there is now the AD at Cincinnati and Tuberville admits that is the main reason he took the job.

So we'll see how this one plays out.  Also, I'm not sure where Cincinnati will end up as far as a conference.  I will be surprised if it is really one of the the big ones you are thinking about and as much as I like the Big Ten, they have a long way to go to get to being considered one of those- at least in the eyes of the pundits, but then, who cares what the pundits think? :o ::) ;)

I'm trying to find out about Tuberville's reasons for going to Cincy, though I can tell you partially its because his wife is from a Cincy suburb (Guilford IN).  My mother in law knows her pretty well, apparently so I'm going to try to scoop it.  I do know that his wife had been behind the wheel of the car when a pedestrian was killed -- not sure where fault was but the case disappeared. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HSCTiger74 on December 10, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2012, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 01:49:04 AM
Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban. ;D :D  Sheeeesh....! :D ;D ::) ;)

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

You are right about the Auburn deal with Tuberville.  However, I have little respect for them as they've been disingenuous (that's putting it lightly) and sneaky about how they handle almost all aspects including the coaching hires. While I realize not everyone liked Terry Bowden, the way they treated him and let him go was unexcusable.

I think we all agree that we don't necessarily begrudge coaches from leaving for "greener pastures", however, where I have a problem with it is how it is done at times and...I'm not sure that Cincinnati is a "greener pasture" as far as what he had at Texas Tech, although the details of his contract at Cincinnati have not been released.  Tuberville's leaving Mississippi is understandable; I'm not sure I agree in that vein with his leaving Texas Tech. I like Cincinnati and over the years they "overall" have done a good job.  However, it is not the profile program that Texas Tech is, Tuberville is a "southern guy" and...his friend who was in the administration at Auburn in hiring him there is now the AD at Cincinnati and Tuberville admits that is the main reason he took the job.

So we'll see how this one plays out.  Also, I'm not sure where Cincinnati will end up as far as a conference.  I will be surprised if it is really one of the the big ones you are thinking about and as much as I like the Big Ten, they have a long way to go to get to being considered one of those- at least in the eyes of the pundits, but then, who cares what the pundits think? :o ::) ;)

Until Mike Leach arrived there wasn't really much of a program at Texas Tech, so a move to Cincinnati doesn't feel like that big a dropoff to me. And I think his recruiting might be a little easier as a second-fiddle to OSU rather than being behind UT and A&M (and maybe even Baylor). Also, assuming the monetary packages are even remotely similar, wouldn't you rather live in Cincinnati than Lubbock? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 10, 2012, 05:34:11 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on December 10, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: sac on December 09, 2012, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 09, 2012, 01:49:04 AM
Unreal.  Doesn't Tommy Tuberville ever stay in one place?  He just took the Cincinnati job today after only a short time at Texas Tech.  As you all recall, he left, Mississippi for Auburn, then jumped ship to Texas Tech.  For some reason, I have this feeling that he is trying to emmulate "The Nomad" i.e. Saban. ;D :D  Sheeeesh....! :D ;D ::) ;)

He was at Auburn for 10 years and had every right to leave after the way they went behind his back trying to lure Petrino there.

There's no way Tubberville takes the Cinci job unless they're joining one of the big conferences.

You are right about the Auburn deal with Tuberville.  However, I have little respect for them as they've been disingenuous (that's putting it lightly) and sneaky about how they handle almost all aspects including the coaching hires. While I realize not everyone liked Terry Bowden, the way they treated him and let him go was unexcusable.

I think we all agree that we don't necessarily begrudge coaches from leaving for "greener pastures", however, where I have a problem with it is how it is done at times and...I'm not sure that Cincinnati is a "greener pasture" as far as what he had at Texas Tech, although the details of his contract at Cincinnati have not been released.  Tuberville's leaving Mississippi is understandable; I'm not sure I agree in that vein with his leaving Texas Tech. I like Cincinnati and over the years they "overall" have done a good job.  However, it is not the profile program that Texas Tech is, Tuberville is a "southern guy" and...his friend who was in the administration at Auburn in hiring him there is now the AD at Cincinnati and Tuberville admits that is the main reason he took the job.

So we'll see how this one plays out.  Also, I'm not sure where Cincinnati will end up as far as a conference.  I will be surprised if it is really one of the the big ones you are thinking about and as much as I like the Big Ten, they have a long way to go to get to being considered one of those- at least in the eyes of the pundits, but then, who cares what the pundits think? :o ::) ;)

Until Mike Leach arrived there wasn't really much of a program at Texas Tech, so a move to Cincinnati doesn't feel like that big a dropoff to me. And I think his recruiting might be a little easier as a second-fiddle to OSU rather than being behind UT and A&M (and maybe even Baylor). Also, assuming the monetary packages are even remotely similar, wouldn't you rather live in Cincinnati than Lubbock? 

SaintsFAN and HSCTiger74:

I agree with you both.  As mentioned, Tuberville's reasons for going to Cincy have not really been made public, other than the Cincy AD did mention in the media that they were friends/colleagues from their Auburn time and that was one reason why he contacted Tuberville - and note that it was the Cincy AD who contacted Tuberville, not the other way around.  Also, I do not know (at least have not seen any mention about this) if Tech Tech officials were asked by Cincy's AD if he could have permission to talk with Tuberville or if the initial inquiry of interest was done on a personal basis.

Also, I thought, however, that Spike Dykes had Tech Tech doing pretty well before Leach came, but, again, I agree with you that the recruiting will be somewhat easier for Tuberville in Cincy for the reasons you both mention.  I have this "gut feeling" that the salary compensation will be somewhat about the same (although admittedly, I really have no idea), but I also agree with you that I'd rather live in Cincy than Lubbock, and I do not mean that as a slap at any of you Texans at all.  Just seems to me, more to do in Cincy than way out in Lubbock, Texas. :D ;)

SaintsFAN, "you 'da man with the scoop!" re: the Cincy scene. :D ;) :)  BTW, I know you and the Mrs. went to the Mount Union/UMHB playoff game this past weekend, however, are you going to the Stagg Bowl this year? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 11, 2012, 07:59:41 AM
formerd3db:

Yessir.  It was a tremendous game.  I had to explain to Mrs SF that not every game is going to be like that (we were also at the Pitt/ND 3OT thriller).  I can't get down there on Friday in Salem, but we've put it on the schedule for next year.  I'm going to have a cousin from DC meet us down there too.  Looks like next year is finally the year.  Mrs SF is excited. 

How are things for you?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2012, 05:52:56 PM
SaintsFAN:

Indeed, and again, I am disappointed I wasn't able to get down there to see it as I mentioned.  Likewise, I am in the same situation as you in not being able to make this week's Stagg Bowl.  Even up to last evening, I was trying to finagle a scenario to somehow work it out to get down there, however, unfortunately, it just isn't going to work out this year.  Thus, as you said, it looks like next year will be the year (at least potentially).  So let's keep each other posted on that and also, perhaps we could get some of our other colleagues here to join us, even if their and our own teams don't make it to the Stagg (as you and I have discussed in recent past years).

I'm surviving, doing okay, at least healthy and am thankful for the latter- thanks for asking.  Anyway, I hope that you and Mrs. SF have a blessed and enjoyable upcoming holiday season with your families.  Please keep in touch and I will do the same as we have.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 12, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
I know this is off the subject of football ... and I don't won't to wade through each school's athletic webpage ... so ... are there any MIAA schools aside from Olivet that have a wrestling program?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on December 12, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
Alma and Trine sponsor wrestling.  Others?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 12, 2012, 10:07:15 PM
Story about Michigan's Division 7 State Champions Ishpeming.  Worth the read.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/highschool/news/20121212/ishemping/?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on December 12, 2012, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: sigma one on December 12, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
Alma and Trine sponsor wrestling.  Others?

That's it!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2012, 08:38:26 AM
This from the Tazon de Estrellas football game (D3 football players vs a team of all stars from Mexico). 

USA won 32-15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPC9uf3uPsE&feature=youtu.be

Writeup of the game on facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/notes/global-football-ltd/team-stars-stripes-32-conadeip-all-stars-15-game-recap/469285513106502

My son played in this game 2 years ago when the USA also won.  It was a cool experience in a number of ways.  After the game, many of the Mexican kids and parents came up to the US players asking for autographs and pictures to be taken with the players. 

A great way to promote the game of football to other areas and a nice way for my son to end his college football playing career. This game does not get the hype of some of the other games but I think it is an awesome thing to do.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 16, 2012, 10:09:20 AM
Uncle Rico:

I assume this all-star game is separate from the other DII-DIII all-star game against Mexican all-stars?  Is the one you are talking about the original Aztec Bowl?

Also, glad to see you are still "lurking around" and posting with us once in awhile.  Hope your son and you and your family are doing well and best wishes for the holidays.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2012, 08:55:16 PM
The Tazon de Estrellas replaced the Aztec Bowl.  This is it's 4th year. Only DIII players from what I understand.

Yep, still lurking.  I don't get email notifications every time there is a post, so I randomly drop by and find new posts. 

I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays as well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 22, 2012, 03:49:37 PM
To all the MIAA posters, May you and your families have a Merry Christmas and a Healthy
and Happy New Year.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 22, 2012, 04:19:58 PM
Thanks Raider68 and the same to you and your wife and family.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
Same to you Raider and formerd3db.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 24, 2012, 07:44:01 AM
Let me add my wishes for a Merry Christmas to all you MIAA fans and your families.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 25, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Thanks Uncle Rico, DBQ, Raider68 and sflzman. Again, a Merry Christmas to you and everyone of our MIAA posters/friends here on this board.  I hope everyone has an enjoyable day today and the upcoming New Year's weekend as well.

And...a special thanks to sflzman for solving the puzzle and obtaining the helmet logo info for me for posting here (it even has the new helmet "H" logo on it - I like the new logo, although also still like the old "traditional" logo, but I guess it is time to "move on" and embrace the new one) .  I really appreciate sflzman's efforts in obtaining this as well as all of Raider68's efforts in that endeavor as well.  As a computer idiot, I need all the help I can get with that kind of technical "stuff". :o :P ;D ;) Anyway, thanks again you guys!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 25, 2012, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 25, 2012, 01:08:56 PM
Thanks Uncle Rico, DBQ, Raider68 and sflzman. Again, a Merry Christmas to you and everyone of our MIAA posters/friends here on this board.  I hope everyone has an enjoyable day today and the upcoming New Year's weekend as well.

And...a special thanks to sflzman for solving the puzzle and obtaining the helmet logo info for me for posting here (it even has the new helmet "H" logo on it - I like the new logo, although also still like the old "traditional" logo, but I guess it is time to "move on" and embrace the new one) .  I really appreciate sflzman's efforts in obtaining this as well as all of Raider68's efforts in that endeavor as well.  As a computer idiot, I need all the help I can get with that kind of technical "stuff". :o :P ;D ;) Anyway, thanks again you guys!

formerd3db,

Helmet pic looks great! Yeah! Enjoy your Christmas and all the best for the New Year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 25, 2012, 10:53:32 PM
First off. Merry Christmas too everyone. Hope it was enjoyable for all of you and that you all got to spend time with the family and loved ones near you. Also happy new year as that will be quickly apon us as well!

Second of all. Let me revisit our terrible uniform topic of a few weeks ago. Of the 10 NBA jerseys today I think there were two that were legible. The clippers right now have by far the worst. They are terrible.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 26, 2012, 11:31:23 PM
Great win for Central Michigan this evening in the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl at Ford Field in Detroit.  It probably further helped save Enos's job for another year at least.  Nonetheless, I still can't understand why the Western Kentucky coach didn't elect to kick the field goal with some 40 seconds left and almost assure an OT period.  While I realize they wanted to go for the win, IMO, that was a foolish choice/mistake.

BTW, it was reported by the ESPN crew announcing the game this evening (which included former Central Michigan LB/Buffalo Bills LB Ray Bentley, who is a radio co-host in Grand Rapids for the WBBL network -Huge Radio Network) that Western Kentucky's new coach Bobby Patrino will not be retaining any of the current WKU coaches.  That includes former U of Michigan QB Mike Sheridan, who is the QB coach there.  Despite Bentley being a Central alum player, I thought he did a pretty good job of being unbiased and fair in calling the game.

Also, I did not hear the announced crowd, however, it certainly was well-less than at the Lions game this past Saturday, although probably in keeping with past attendance at this bowl game.  I would say perhaps, slightly less this year, which is surprising since they had two regional teams again this year.  While I think it is a neat bowl game, especially for us midwest people, at the same time, I'm not sure how much longer they can sustain it, unless Mr. Illich wants to continue funding it.

P.S. sflzman, I agree with you about the NBA jerseys! :o ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 26, 2012, 11:43:41 PM
Re: attendance at Ford Field for bowl game.  Don't forget that we got hit with the first serious snowstorm of the year today.  Not a major snowstorm, but enough to keep a lot of sensible people off the roads (especially since, even in Michigan, half the people forget every year how to drive on snow!).  My son got hit (with OUR car >:() coming home from work, when some a$$hole tried to merge onto the expressway going about 65 (e-way traffic way moving about 35) - the a$$hole spun out, David almost avoided him, but not quite, the a$$hole then slammed into the median, then tore off down the e-way!  (David and our car survived without a dent. :))  I can't help wondering if the a$$hole (and innocent others) are still alive.

Probably not enough of a storm to keep most ticket-holders home, but probably seriously depressed any walk-up fans.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 27, 2012, 12:24:34 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 26, 2012, 11:31:23 PM
  That includes former U of Michigan QB Mike Sheridan, who is the QB coach there.

Sheridan had accepted a position at South Florida with former WKU coach Willie Taggart.  Taggart took at least a couple guys off the WKU staff with him to South Florida.


The Pizza Pizza Bowl is also supposed to have a Big Ten team and not a WKU.  The Big Ten's little problem with OSU/PSU being ineligible really screwed the Detroit bowl game since the league didn't have enough teams to fill their 8 slots.   Had they been eligible this would have been Minnesota/Central Michigan.  Still not great, but still more marketable.

23,310 was the attendance.  I'd say the weather didn't help either.  This is 1/2 of last year's Purdue/Western Michigan game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 27, 2012, 03:27:04 PM
Excellent points Mr. Ypsi and sac.  First, let me say Mr. Ypsi that I am sorry your son was involved in the motor vehicle accident (MVA), however, I am glad that he wasn't hurt nor his car damaged.  As you know, cars can be replaced, not people. Nonetheless, I agee with you that there is always some A-holes who have no regard for others and are just plain stupid idiots and reckless whether it is bad weather or not, although more often it is especially true with the latter.

As to the Pizza Pizza Bowl, yes, I agree that it is highly likely the suprise snowstorm had much to do with it.  I figured it was about half of last year's attendance.  Still, a decent showing and usually what a huge MAC game or title game that Central would see in regards to attendance at its own Kelly-Shorts Stadium.  At the same time, WKU isn't a slouch team IMO - while not great, they are becoming competitive like, for example, South Florida has been until this year and the likes of Central Florida, etc.  Still, I agree with you guys that a Minnesota or some other Big Ten team (or again, the likes of Cincinnati) would have been much more marketable.  Overall, however, it was an exciting and good bowl game, just like the Nevada game was (Las Vegas Bowl) despite some of the radio pundits slamming that bowl game.  Even the New Orleans Bowl was a very good bowl game.  I think we'll find that those 3 bowl games will have been much more exciting than Michigan State's or Michigan's bowl games, although I am obviously hoping Michigan's is a good one and that they can pull the upset against Spurrior's South Carolina team.:)

Speaking of South Florida and Michigan, that is good to hear that Sheridan went with Taggart there.  I think I had heard that but forgot about it when i had posted last evening.  Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 27, 2012, 08:29:24 PM
Pretty crappy refs in the Belk Bowl between Duke and Cincinnati right now.  The refs are terrible.  To use Jay Moore's favorite phrase (Moore is Jim Rome's Guest Host this week, including today)..."they stink". >:( ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 30, 2012, 12:47:48 PM
great article about Albion's Clinton Orr.

http://www.freep.com/article/20121230/COL38/312300271
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on December 31, 2012, 07:01:59 PM
great article.  One of my boys played at Alma, and came in at the same time as Clinton.  I watched that game in Albion, when he went for 300+ yards.  I asked myself "where did this kid come from?"  Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
What a heartbreaker for the Wolverines today - yield a TD with 11 seconds to go to lose by 5. >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 01, 2013, 05:20:58 PM
Well, once again Michigan finds a way to lose a bowl game (yes, Mr. Ypsi, you are right).  Their defensive secondary was pathetic today and lost them the game (reminds me of some MIAA teams :o ::) ;D).  South Carolina was good, but take those 4 big long plays (3 TD bombs and the long run) and Michigan wins.  There is no excuse for getting beat on simple post patterns and also having no one cover the deep middle.  Also, South Caronlinas players are cocky and more unsportsmanlike penalties should have been called.  Regardless, bottom line is that Michigan deserved to lose that game.  I am very disappointed. >:(

But...at least my other favorite Big Ten team Northwestern won their bowl game. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2013, 06:00:21 PM
Yeah, congratulations to Northwestern, who won their first bowl game since I was 5 months old!!

(And that is a LONG, LONG time! :P)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 01, 2013, 06:43:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2013, 06:00:21 PM
Yeah, congratulations to Northwestern, who won their first bowl game since I was 5 months old!!

(And that is a LONG, LONG time! :P)

Well, you are still pretty young IMO, Mr. Ypsi.  Anyone who is active and gets around like you certainly is!  But, yes, it is a great win for Northwestern and Coach Fitzgerald.  He is a great coach and all-around good guy from what everyone says.  I hope he stays at his alma mater and doesn't go for "the $".  What else could he need?  He is at a great school, great city, great (well, at least very good) conference and...his players graduate! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
Actually, Northwestern is also MY second favorite Big Ten team.  I love the underdog, which certainly traditionally fits Northwestern.  My congratulations were quite sincere, as they will be if and when North Park EVER wins a CCIW football game (as long as it isn't against IWU)! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 01, 2013, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 01, 2013, 05:20:58 PM
Well, once again Michigan finds a way to lose a bowl game (yes, Mr. Ypsi, you are right).  Their defensive secondary was pathetic today and lost them the game (reminds me of some MIAA teams :o ::) ;D).  South Carolina was good, but take those 4 big long plays (3 TD bombs and the long run) and Michigan wins.  There is no excuse for getting beat on simple post patterns and also having no one cover the deep middle.  Also, South Caronlinas players are cocky and more unsportsmanlike penalties should have been called.  Regardless, bottom line is that Michigan deserved to lose that game.  I am very disappointed. >:(

But...at least my other favorite Big Ten team Northwestern won their bowl game. ;)

\\Having grown up with what was then the PAC 8 (and later the PAC 10 and now the PAC 12), I have a bias against Big Ten dominating football teams (read that to mean Ohio St., Michigan, and to a lesser degree, Wisconsin).  So today's UofM loss and Stanford's win didn't dull my January 1 at all.  And with an affinity for the underdog, Northwestern's win was sweet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 02, 2013, 08:20:17 AM
I was glad to see Northwestern come out with a win! The rest of the Big 10 did what they usually do, lose most of their bowl games. Not sure what the 2013 season will bring as a group? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2013, 04:00:25 PM
A pretty good bowl game last evening with the Go.Daddy.com Bowl in Mobile, Alabama.  Kent State just couldn't quite do it, even though their defense was stopping the Arkansas State running game.  The difference was that Kent State's defensive secondary played poorly as did their offense when it got down to the red zone and not scoring when they needed to.  I was impressed with Arkansas State though and they've come a long way since joining the FBS in the 1990's.  Still, Kent State had a great season at 11-3.  I did like both teams uniforms and their other new helmets also - the "K" on the back like Oregon with their "O" on the back" was neat.

Also, the Div. I FCS Championship game was a good one also with North Dakota State repeating their title win against Sam Houston State again.  Touch result for Sam Houston State in getting back to the title game again only to lose it to the same team two years in a row.  Capacity crowd there at that neat stadium in Frisco, Texas, just north of Dallas.  The NCAA will probably keep it there for a few years, although when they had it in Chattenooga at the U of Chattengooga's stadium, that was a great venue with good crowds as wel..

Anyway, we'll see what goes tonight in the FBS National championship game.  Most of the media pundits are calling it something in the range of  like 27 or 28 to 13 or 14 for Alabama.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on January 08, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
Nice of the Tide's D to take the foot off the accelerator and allow for a couple of mercy tallies for respectability sake in the final score line.  It's going to be another miserable year of listening to the mush-mouthed jabbering in the heart of SEC country.   ::)

Happy New Year, Y'all from "Sodom on the 'Hootch"

Note - no fan of the Southeastern Conference
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2013, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on January 08, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
Nice of the Tide's D to take the foot off the accelerator and allow for a couple of mercy tallies for respectability sake in the final score line.  It's going to be another miserable year of listening to the mush-mouthed jabbering in the heart of SEC country.   ::)

Happy New Year, Y'all from "Sodom on the 'Hootch"

Note - no fan of the Southeastern Conference

Yes, it will be tough ;D :o ;).  I am not a fan of either of those coaches and also thought that Alabama would win handily, although I must admit I was surprised at the margin it was.  Not a fan of the SEC either, but it will be interesting to see if Saban continues at Alabama to add to the now called "legacy" or he bolts back to the NFL.  I can't imagine him going to some other college program now after this but...he has made unexpected and strange decisions to move before as his past pattern.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 08, 2013, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 08, 2013, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: cave2bens on January 08, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
Nice of the Tide's D to take the foot off the accelerator and allow for a couple of mercy tallies for respectability sake in the final score line.  It's going to be another miserable year of listening to the mush-mouthed jabbering in the heart of SEC country.   ::)

Happy New Year, Y'all from "Sodom on the 'Hootch"

Note - no fan of the Southeastern Conference

Yes, it will be tough ;D :o ;).  I am not a fan of either of those coaches and also thought that Alabama would win handily, although I must admit I was surprised at the margin it was.  Not a fan of the SEC either, but it will be interesting to see if Saban continues at Alabama to add to the now called "legacy" or he bolts back to the NFL.  I can't imagine him going to some other college program now after this but...he has made unexpected and strange decisions to move before as his past pattern.

Saban won't leave until the NCAA says he can't over-sign players anymore. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 08, 2013, 05:43:38 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: sac on January 08, 2013, 05:43:38 PM
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Hilarious, sac!  +k!!! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 09, 2013, 08:10:01 AM
Saban had a great line in an interview I saw on ESPN this morning.  When asked what he does with the champtionship memorabilia and rings he has garnered ... Saban said he spreads them out on his coffee table for recruits to see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 09, 2013, 01:51:22 PM
Shouldn't be too much of a surprise

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/sports_hope/x1665859583/Hope-College-Stadium-will-be-named-for-longtime-coach-Ray-Smith
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 09, 2013, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: sac on January 09, 2013, 01:51:22 PM
Shouldn't be too much of a surprise

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/sports_hope/x1665859583/Hope-College-Stadium-will-be-named-for-longtime-coach-Ray-Smith

Not a surprise, but absolutely the right thing to do!!  Love this excerpt from the announcement email sent by Tom Renner:

Smith was a football All-American at UCLA, playing at both fullback and defensive back. He was captain and most valuable player of the Bruins his senior year.

"While at UCLA he was once asked by legendary coach John Wooden to be a member of the basketball team," said Bultman. "When Ray responded that he wasn't as talented as the other members of the basketball team, coach Wooden responded by saying, 'I want you on the team because of your leadership and character.' Though Ray declined the opportunity, his friendship with Wooden and his wife Nell continued thru their lifetimes."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 10, 2013, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 09, 2013, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: sac on January 09, 2013, 01:51:22 PM
Shouldn't be too much of a surprise

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/sports_hope/x1665859583/Hope-College-Stadium-will-be-named-for-longtime-coach-Ray-Smith

Not a surprise, but absolutely the right thing to do!!  Love this excerpt from the announcement email sent by Tom Renner:

Smith was a football All-American at UCLA, playing at both fullback and defensive back. He was captain and most valuable player of the Bruins his senior year.

"While at UCLA he was once asked by legendary coach John Wooden to be a member of the basketball team," said Bultman. "When Ray responded that he wasn't as talented as the other members of the basketball team, coach Wooden responded by saying, 'I want you on the team because of your leadership and character.' Though Ray declined the opportunity, his friendship with Wooden and his wife Nell continued thru their lifetimes."

Quote from: sac on January 09, 2013, 01:51:22 PM
Shouldn't be too much of a surprise

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/sports_hope/x1665859583/Hope-College-Stadium-will-be-named-for-longtime-coach-Ray-Smith

Agree entirely with you both - without question, the appropriate decision (naming of Hope's newly acquired and renovated football stadium after the Smith's) and more than well-deserved by both Coach and Sue Smith.  Also, a very classy tribute by Coach/President Bultman to his long-time friends Smith and Sue.  Tom Renner's quote (Hope's SID for those who don't know) also is a neat one as you mentioned FDF.

I remember back in my playing days at Hope, one Friday night at the weekly team meal before the next day's game, we players had secretly contacted UCLA and they kindly sent films of Smith's games there.  We showed them after the meal and it was a great highlight and Coach Smith was so surprised.  However, (and this has been mentioned here before back in 2009 when he retired), he is one of the most humble persons you will ever meet.  While he is proud of his UCLA career, he'll never bring it up, but only talk with you about it if you ask.  Anyway, I am very happy for he and his wife - a well deserved tribute.  Thank you Hope College and thank you Coach and Mrs. Smith.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 17, 2013, 02:36:54 PM
In the MIAA for 2013, which teams have the most returning starters and how will that translate
to the conference leader? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 28, 2013, 11:12:13 AM
Forgot to post this the other day:

http://goalmascots.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130121qsjrjp

I think this guy is a solid fit for the team.  He's run happy though so the continued transition from pass heavy to run heavy should be interesting.

Also.  Adrian (sources tell me) has set their goal to bring in 60 kids from Florida this year.  Once the camps and everything start this summer they will have 4 coaches down there for 11 weeks straight.   :o :o :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 30, 2013, 12:06:49 AM
6-2, 350 lb running back.........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxrTIU7VbyM&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2013, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: sac on January 30, 2013, 12:06:49 AM
6-2, 350 lb running back.........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxrTIU7VbyM&feature=player_embedded

The Fridge, part two.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on January 30, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 28, 2013, 11:12:13 AM
Forgot to post this the other day:
Also.  Adrian (sources tell me) has set their goal to bring in 60 kids from Florida this year.  Once the camps and everything start this summer they will have 4 coaches down there for 11 weeks straight.   :o :o :o

Didn't Adrian have over 200 guys on their roster last year? (Listed in their 2012 yearbook they had 65+ non-freshmen and 140+ "newcomers".)
I realize that there will always be a lot of turnover at DIII schools, but 60 kids from Florida alone? Why don't they just open a branch school down there (a la Northwood) or field two separate teamas?  Just kidding. Sort of.

And what did they do, buy a house for their coaches down there over the summer?   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 30, 2013, 03:39:56 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on January 30, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 28, 2013, 11:12:13 AM
Forgot to post this the other day:
Also.  Adrian (sources tell me) has set their goal to bring in 60 kids from Florida this year.  Once the camps and everything start this summer they will have 4 coaches down there for 11 weeks straight.   :o :o :o

Didn't Adrian have over 200 guys on their roster last year? (Listed in their 2012 yearbook they had 65+ non-freshmen and 140+ "newcomers".)
I realize that there will always be a lot of turnover at DIII schools, but 60 kids from Florida alone? Why don't they just open a branch school down there (a la Northwood) or field two separate teamas?  Just kidding. Sort of.

And what did they do, buy a house for their coaches down there over the summer?

Well think of it this way. The president signs off on all expenses with the knowledge that getting lets say 10 guys gives them their money back. Now you add 50 more and that's your trips for the next 5 years as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 30, 2013, 03:40:49 PM
And that's obviously just an example. I think a lot fewer than 10 guys gives you your money back but you understand what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on January 30, 2013, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 30, 2013, 03:40:49 PM
And that's obviously just an example. I think a lot fewer than 10 guys gives you your money back but you understand what I'm saying.

Absolutely. (I should have put the  ;) in my post.) It's the financial reality of many DIII schools for athletics to bring paying bodies in the door. I'm just amazed at the numbers on their roster. I wonder what the biggest football roster in the nation was last year? (That would be the roster at the end of camp/beginning of the games.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 30, 2013, 04:53:31 PM
RFMichigan and sflzman:

First, that is a good question re: largest roster in DIII last year.  Without looking a the exact posted rosters, I would think it had to have been either Mount Union or Adrian.  I recall a few years ago (actually about 13 as it was either in 1998 or 1999, the latter I believe) when Adrian had 177 on the roster.  Of course, not all of these players are actually on the "permanent" Varsity team as there is a junior varsity team, and even though they can all dress for home games, doesn't guarantee they'll see varisty playing time as we all already know.  Essentially, that is almost (although not quite) like it was back in the early 1970's when most schools at all levels (i.e. before the 1973 creation of Divisions III and II), schools had freshman teams as freshman were not eligible for varsity play, having only 3 years for that.  However, if schools today at the DIII level are going to carry well over 100 on their entire rosters, they almost have to have a junior varsity program.

Nonetheless, as several of our colleagues have discussed in the past here and on the other boards, it is extremely difficult, in some aspects, to manage all that - what do you do with the 10th and/or 11th string player?  Of course, the junior varsity programs allow the opportunity for some of the freshman (or in some cases other underclassmen) to "step up" and win a spot on the traveling varsity roster with a stellar performance in a JV game.  However, as well all know, usually by the end of that first year, a great number of players will drop out becoming disappointed with their chances and/or opportunities to advance.

Second, in the mid-2000's, Olivet made regular recruiting trips to Florida and had as many as 10 players (or slightly more) on their roster from that state (around the Miami area).  Still, that is a challenging situation for players to go from that state to a northern, colder state and particularly a small college to play football, yet since there is a lack of DIII schools in Florida at least at that time, it provided the opportunity.  With more of the southern small colleges now having added programs, I don't think you will see as much of that trend.  Not sure why Adrian feels they need to do it.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on January 30, 2013, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 30, 2013, 04:53:31 PM
RFMichigan and sflzman:

First, that is a good question re: largest roster in DIII last year.  Without looking a the exact posted rosters, I would think it had to have been either Mount Union or Adrian.  I recall a few years ago (actually about 13 as it was either in 1998 or 1999, the latter I believe) when Adrian had 177 on the roster.  Of course, not all of these players are actually on the "permanent" Varsity team as there is a junior varsity team, and even though they can all dress for home games, doesn't guarantee they'll see varisty playing time as we all already know.  Essentially, that is almost (although not quite) like it was back in the early 1970's when most schools at all levels (i.e. before the 1973 creation of Divisions III and II), schools had freshman teams as freshman were not eligible for varsity play, having only 3 years for that.  However, if schools today at the DIII level are going to carry well over 100 on their entire rosters, they almost have to have a junior varsity program.

Nonetheless, as several of our colleagues have discussed in the past here and on the other boards, it is extremely difficult, in some aspects, to manage all that - what do you do with the 10th and/or 11th string player?  Of course, the junior varsity programs allow the opportunity for some of the freshman (or in some cases other underclassmen) to "step up" and win a spot on the traveling varsity roster with a stellar performance in a JV game.  However, as well all know, usually by the end of that first year, a great number of players will drop out becoming disappointed with their chances and/or opportunities to advance.

Second, in the mid-2000's, Olivet made regular recruiting trips to Florida and had as many as 10 players (or slightly more) on their roster from that state (around the Miami area).  Still, that is a challenging situation for players to go from that state to a northern, colder state and particularly a small college to play football, yet since there is a lack of DIII schools in Florida at least at that time, it provided the opportunity.  With more of the southern small colleges now having added programs, I don't think you will see as much of that trend.  Not sure why Adrian feels they need to do it.   

When Pries came in to CUC he had connections in Florida having coached there in high school earlier in his career. He immediately had a fairly good number (10-12, maybe a few more) of Floridians on the CUC roster which paid immediate dividends in the speed category. I remember asking him if snow was the biggest culture shock to the southern kids, and he said no, as soon as they had the first decent snow they took everybody out sledding and the kids seemed to enjoy it. (Not sure where they went sledding as the near-western suburbs of Chicago are as flat as a pancake.) The issue was the COLD, and for many, it was just being a long way from home.

I just think that must be some diminishing returns when you have so many on a roster; it almost seems a disservice to have that many, but you never know who is going to emerge to be a "player".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2013, 05:29:55 PM
Perhaps a Mount Union poster will will chime in, but IIRC the Raiders regularly have a roster of 200+.  Importantly, they have more than one JV team and a freshman team, so everyone can get some game experience at one level or another.  (LK has a no-cut policy, though, as you note, many players will cut themselves once they see the handwriting on the wall.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 30, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
RFMichigan and Mr. Ypsi:

Indeed, I remember Pries coming back from Florida and it is not surprising he would have some players via connections there.  For sure, I don't doubt that the cold (and perhaps the snow to some degree) was a very different experience, at least at first, to a good number of those players and others who were at other schools.  Also, we know of one experience of one of our previous posters on these boards (JacketsFan from Jacksonville, FL) whose son played at Defiance earlier this decade.  He and his wife made the long trip each weekend from FL (flying mostly, although I know they did drive on a few occasions), which was not only quite a feat, but a great example of family love, support and dedication.  Their son had a great experience and excellent career at Defiance.  At the same time, I'm sure that their type of opportunity is not availabe/feasible whether financial or otherwise (even if their sons receive some finanacial aid) for every southern family.

As far as the roster numbers, you both recall that some conferences have the 100 player limit, which helps for both financial aspects to the college as well as manageability for the coaching staff.  Mr. Ypsi points out that will the very larger rosters, often there are two JV teams (Adrian had that last year as I recall), although I wasn't aware that Mount Union had that plus a freshman team.  LK and company obviously do it very well, yet at the same time, like Mr. Ypsi says, at some schools in similar situations, some players eventually come to the realization that it isn't worth it.  On the other hand, like that famous U of Michigan phrase..."Those who stay will be Champions" in some way or another.

A final couple of comments; today, Hope College, for example, has a "no cut" policy (I believe all the MIAA schools are like this as well).  I do recall, though, back in my own playing days, particularly my freshman year, our head coach (Coach Ray Smith, former UCLA star), ended up having a cut because we had well over 110 players out for the team, the highest ever in Hope College history up to that date.  That record, of course, has been broken for many years now.  My own recruiting class was 40 that year, which was big for that era, although Albion brought in over 60 that year.  Coach Smith cut down to a roster of 90 because he felt that was just so much more manageable, and this despite the fact that Hope had a JV program back then.  Of course, when you get down to those level of numbers, injuries can be a problem, yet which is another reason why those players in the JV program have a legit shot at some Varsity playing time from the beginning (fortunately for me, I was on the varsity all 4 years - :D, a bit of luck!).

Anyway, it is obviously a little different today, again due to the large numbers and as RFMichigan said, you never know who is going to "step up" as player.  There is always a Rudi (Notre Dame) and/or Don Warner (Michigan), which is great! :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on January 30, 2013, 07:58:45 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 30, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
RFMichigan and Mr. Ypsi:
A final couple of comments; today, Hope College, for example, has a "no cut" policy (I believe all the MIAA schools are like this as well).  I do recall, though, back in my own playing days, particularly my freshman year, our head coach (Coach Ray Smith, former UCLA star), ended up having a cut because we had well over 110 players out for the team, the highest ever in Hope College history up to that date.  That record, of course, has been broken for many years now.  My own recruiting class was 40 that year, which was big for that era, although Albion brought in over 60 that year.  Coach Smith cut down to a roster of 90 because he felt that was just so much more manageable, and this despite the fact that Hope had a JV program back then.  Of course, when you get down to those level of numbers, injuries can be a problem, yet which is another reason why those players in the JV program have a legit shot at some Varsity playing time from the beginning (fortunately for me, I was on the varsity all 4 years - :D, a bit of luck!).

Anyway, it is obviously a little different today, again due to the large numbers and as RFMichigan said, you never know who is going to "step up" as player.  There is always a Rudi (Notre Dame) and/or Don Warner (Michigan), which is great! :) 

I believe that my class of football recruits at CTCRF in 1977 was six freshmen, and about six or eight transfers, only two of whom played college football. A coach could get fired for that size class nowadays.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 02, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
Yesterday Tyler Wellman announced that he would be taking the offensive line coach/run game coordinator job at Lakeland. Tyler's going to be VERY missed here at Alma.

For him though it makes all perfect sense. Wasn't a full time job. Still kind of an "entry level" position. Wish him the best of luck as he pursues his latest opportunity...sure he's going to be welcomed back with some friendly jeers next year when Lakeland comes to town ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 03, 2013, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on February 02, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
Yesterday Tyler Wellman announced that he would be taking the offensive line coach/run game coordinator job at Lakeland. Tyler's going to be VERY missed here at Alma.

For him though it makes all perfect sense. Wasn't a full time job. Still kind of an "entry level" position. Wish him the best of luck as he pursues his latest opportunity...sure he's going to be welcomed back with some friendly jeers next year when Lakeland comes to town ;D

Well, that's an end of an era for him at Alma, after his playing career there for 4 years and then the last 5 as an assistant on the coaching staff.  Although we all know that part time jobs on the staff like that only paid during the season, in reality, those positions are full-time jobs in regards to the entire year commitment involved, with the exception that,again, they only get paid during the season and not like a year round full-salaried permanent employement position at the college.  Regardless, I'm sure it is a somewhat ( in a sense) melancholy time in seeing him leave, although certainly understandable as you mention because it is "time for him to move on and up the coaching ladder" to a full-time coaching/teaching position elsewhere.  Obviously, that opportunity did not exist at his alma mater i.e. at Alma.

I wish both him and his wife well.  My only question (if you know) is since his wife was an assistant women's basketball coach at Alma College, was she offered a position at Lakeland also? 

Anyway, thanks for the info. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on February 04, 2013, 06:57:05 AM
I haven't heard of her being offered a position at Lakeland and I too was wondering how that whole situation is going to work out. Time will tell us I guess how that all is. I feel like for them the one full time position for Tyler is still a much better job situation for them than what they had up here. Ashley was a very good basketball player herself and in sure she will be able to find a job as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on February 04, 2013, 09:03:29 AM
Quote from: sflzman on February 02, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
Yesterday Tyler Wellman announced that he would be taking the offensive line coach/run game coordinator job at Lakeland. Tyler's going to be VERY missed here at Alma.

For him though it makes all perfect sense. Wasn't a full time job. Still kind of an "entry level" position. Wish him the best of luck as he pursues his latest opportunity...sure he's going to be welcomed back with some friendly jeers next year when Lakeland comes to town ;D

Good luck to Tyler.  He's a solid guy and well respected by the players he coached.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 06, 2013, 04:45:26 PM
National Letter of Intent day, from my fav. blog, you might have to be a regular reader to understand a couple references but its still funny.

http://mgoblog.com/content/national-signing-day-wrap-post-preview
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 13, 2013, 03:29:28 PM
Rule change proposals for football this year.  'Targeting', is being targeted.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2013/football+rules+committee+recommends+ejection+for+targeting+defenseless+players

Others:

To make blocks below the waist from the side and back illegal, but legal if the blocked player is facing the player blocking below the waist.
   
To add a 10-second runoff with less than a minute remaining in either half when the sole reason for the clock to stop is an injury.
   
To establish three seconds as the minimum amount of time required to be on the game clock in order to spike the ball to stop the clock. If one or two seconds remain on the clock, there is only time for the offense to run one more play.
   
To require a player that changes numbers during the game to report this to the referee, who will announce this.
   
To only allow one player number to be worn by the same team and participate at the same position (e.g., two quarterbacks on the same team are not allowed to have the same number).
   
To require teams to have either their jersey or pants contrast in color to the playing field.
   
To allow the use of electronic communication by the on-field officiating crew after successful experimentation by the Southeastern Conference. This is not a required piece of equipment but will allow officiating crews to use this tool.
   
To allow the Big 12 Conference to experiment with using an eighth official on the field in conference games. This official would be placed in the backfield opposite the referee.
   
To allow instant replay to adjust the clock at the end of each quarter. Previously this provision was only in place for the end of each half.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on March 29, 2013, 09:03:28 AM
Have a Happy and Safe Easter to all the MIAA posters!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2013, 09:16:47 AM
Same to you, Raider, and everyone else on the board!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on April 02, 2013, 09:18:55 AM
Not sure how many of you are involved in the twitter world, but Uniform Swag retweeted a picture of new white Olivet helmets.  I'll look and see if I can find the picture again but I thought they looked pretty cool and interesting with the change.

Hope you all had a good Easter!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 26, 2013, 08:39:49 AM
I posted this over on the OAC board, but thought I would also do it here.  Although they have expanded it from NCAA Div. III to include all the college football division levels (FCS, NCAA Div. II, III and NAIA) as well as made it an Ohio vs. Michigan All-Star team format, it appears the Senior Bowl held at the Pro FBHOF Fawcett Stadium in Canton, Ohio is becoming an even better success.  The articles report they had 3,500 in attendance for the game last Saturday April 20th - not bad, especially with many of the universities/colleges having their spring games on the same day.  It also appeared to be a pretty good close game with the Ohio all-stars winning 10-7.  I hope the success continues; it gives the senior players another shot a a great experience.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 26, 2013, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: sflzman on April 02, 2013, 09:18:55 AM
Not sure how many of you are involved in the twitter world, but Uniform Swag retweeted a picture of new white Olivet helmets.  I'll look and see if I can find the picture again but I thought they looked pretty cool and interesting with the change.

Hope you all had a good Easter!

This one?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEIk1TSCEAEliT9.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 26, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
Most likely that is because their coach came from Trine, which had white helmets for a long time.  Personally, I don't really like white helmets (nothing against Wisconsin as they do have good looking helmets), however, that is just my own "preference".  Yet, if Olivet is going to have those white, helmets, I do like the white face mask, however, would prefer to see that they use a red "OC" logo like Wisconsin's - I believe it would stand out better.

Even better would be if Olivet had two helmets - the new white ones and keeping their old red ones i.e. a home and an away helmet, yet I doubt the college would do that as it would be expensive, and especiailly for Olivet, assuming their overall budget (as compared to some of the other MIAA schools).  Anyway, those are just my thoughts on this.  Thanks for posting the photo sac.  I was waiting for sflzman to do it as I couldn't find a photo of it myself.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 27, 2013, 07:26:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 26, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
Most likely that is because their coach came from Trine, which had white helmets for a long time.  Personally, I don't really like white helmets (nothing against Wisconsin as they do have good looking helmets), however, that is just my own "preference".  Yet, if Olivet is going to have those white, helmets, I do like the white face mask, however, would prefer to see that they use a red "OC" logo like Wisconsin's - I believe it would stand out better.

Even better would be if Olivet had two helmets - the new white ones and keeping their old red ones i.e. a home and an away helmet, yet I doubt the college would do that as it would be expensive, and especiailly for Olivet, assuming their overall budget (as compared to some of the other MIAA schools).  Anyway, those are just my thoughts on this.  Thanks for posting the photo sac.  I was waiting for sflzman to do it as I couldn't find a photo of it myself.

Black helmets with some red comet flames might have been cool.  As for changing the helmets anyway ... perhaps it reflects a need to change the "football culture" at Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 28, 2013, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on April 27, 2013, 07:26:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 26, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
Most likely that is because their coach came from Trine, which had white helmets for a long time.  Personally, I don't really like white helmets (nothing against Wisconsin as they do have good looking helmets), however, that is just my own "preference".  Yet, if Olivet is going to have those white, helmets, I do like the white face mask, however, would prefer to see that they use a red "OC" logo like Wisconsin's - I believe it would stand out better.

Even better would be if Olivet had two helmets - the new white ones and keeping their old red ones i.e. a home and an away helmet, yet I doubt the college would do that as it would be expensive, and especiailly for Olivet, assuming their overall budget (as compared to some of the other MIAA schools).  Anyway, those are just my thoughts on this.  Thanks for posting the photo sac.  I was waiting for sflzman to do it as I couldn't find a photo of it myself.

Black helmets with some red comet flames might have been cool.  As for changing the helmets anyway ... perhaps it reflects a need to change the "football culture" at Olivet.

even better than flames.....
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.docstoccdn.com%2Fthumb%2Forig%2F80771525.png&hash=6d89a4258403ea1887dc21ae98184739f2d7189e)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 28, 2013, 08:19:30 PM
Quote from: sac on April 28, 2013, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on April 27, 2013, 07:26:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 26, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
Most likely that is because their coach came from Trine, which had white helmets for a long time.  Personally, I don't really like white helmets (nothing against Wisconsin as they do have good looking helmets), however, that is just my own "preference".  Yet, if Olivet is going to have those white, helmets, I do like the white face mask, however, would prefer to see that they use a red "OC" logo like Wisconsin's - I believe it would stand out better.

Even better would be if Olivet had two helmets - the new white ones and keeping their old red ones i.e. a home and an away helmet, yet I doubt the college would do that as it would be expensive, and especiailly for Olivet, assuming their overall budget (as compared to some of the other MIAA schools).  Anyway, those are just my thoughts on this.  Thanks for posting the photo sac.  I was waiting for sflzman to do it as I couldn't find a photo of it myself.

Black helmets with some red comet flames might have been cool.  As for changing the helmets anyway ... perhaps it reflects a need to change the "football culture" at Olivet.

even better than flames.....
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.docstoccdn.com%2Fthumb%2Forig%2F80771525.png&hash=6d89a4258403ea1887dc21ae98184739f2d7189e)
Quote from: DBQ1965 on April 27, 2013, 07:26:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 26, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
Most likely that is because their coach came from Trine, which had white helmets for a long time.  Personally, I don't really like white helmets (nothing against Wisconsin as they do have good looking helmets), however, that is just my own "preference".  Yet, if Olivet is going to have those white, helmets, I do like the white face mask, however, would prefer to see that they use a red "OC" logo like Wisconsin's - I believe it would stand out better.

Even better would be if Olivet had two helmets - the new white ones and keeping their old red ones i.e. a home and an away helmet, yet I doubt the college would do that as it would be expensive, and especiailly for Olivet, assuming their overall budget (as compared to some of the other MIAA schools).  Anyway, those are just my thoughts on this.  Thanks for posting the photo sac.  I was waiting for sflzman to do it as I couldn't find a photo of it myself.

Black helmets with some red comet flames might have been cool.  As for changing the helmets anyway ... perhaps it reflects a need to change the "football culture" at Olivet.

DBQ1965 and sac:

Ah, yes, going back to a black helmet base would be neat, but I agree with sac that the winged helmet for Olivet was very neat.  I'd like to see that with those 1908-1913 red and white striped longsleeves on their jerseys!  How about that! ;D ;) :)





Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 29, 2013, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 28, 2013, 08:19:30 PM
Quote from: sac on April 28, 2013, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on April 27, 2013, 07:26:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 26, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
Most likely that is because their coach came from Trine, which had white helmets for a long time.  Personally, I don't really like white helmets (nothing against Wisconsin as they do have good looking helmets), however, that is just my own "preference".  Yet, if Olivet is going to have those white, helmets, I do like the white face mask, however, would prefer to see that they use a red "OC" logo like Wisconsin's - I believe it would stand out better.

Even better would be if Olivet had two helmets - the new white ones and keeping their old red ones i.e. a home and an away helmet, yet I doubt the college would do that as it would be expensive, and especiailly for Olivet, assuming their overall budget (as compared to some of the other MIAA schools).  Anyway, those are just my thoughts on this.  Thanks for posting the photo sac.  I was waiting for sflzman to do it as I couldn't find a photo of it myself.

Black helmets with some red comet flames might have been cool.  As for changing the helmets anyway ... perhaps it reflects a need to change the "football culture" at Olivet.

even better than flames.....
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.docstoccdn.com%2Fthumb%2Forig%2F80771525.png&hash=6d89a4258403ea1887dc21ae98184739f2d7189e)
Quote from: DBQ1965 on April 27, 2013, 07:26:38 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 26, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
Most likely that is because their coach came from Trine, which had white helmets for a long time.  Personally, I don't really like white helmets (nothing against Wisconsin as they do have good looking helmets), however, that is just my own "preference".  Yet, if Olivet is going to have those white, helmets, I do like the white face mask, however, would prefer to see that they use a red "OC" logo like Wisconsin's - I believe it would stand out better.

Even better would be if Olivet had two helmets - the new white ones and keeping their old red ones i.e. a home and an away helmet, yet I doubt the college would do that as it would be expensive, and especiailly for Olivet, assuming their overall budget (as compared to some of the other MIAA schools).  Anyway, those are just my thoughts on this.  Thanks for posting the photo sac.  I was waiting for sflzman to do it as I couldn't find a photo of it myself.

Black helmets with some red comet flames might have been cool.  As for changing the helmets anyway ... perhaps it reflects a need to change the "football culture" at Olivet.

DBQ1965 and sac:

Ah, yes, going back to a black helmet base would be neat, but I agree with sac that the winged helmet for Olivet was very neat.  I'd like to see that with those 1908-1913 red and white striped longsleeves on their jerseys!  How about that! ;D ;) :)

Since the Lodi Flames in California was "my" school ... I just naturally think in terms of flames.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on May 09, 2013, 10:41:58 PM
Per the twitted world:

A trio of Ithaca commits have been announced.

WR - Caden Kipp to Alma (actually have known that for a while)
OL - Mike Mallory to Alma (very good baseball player)
DB - Jordan Hessbrook to Kalamazoo (younger brother Logan - the QB who replaced Travis Smith in the state finals game - is a very talented basketball and baseball player. On the hill this year hes 5-0 with 3 no-bitters to his name)

Alma OL/DL Mitchell Mott to Trine
Alma QB Vinny Costanzo (probably a slot in college) declines multiple MIAA schools and will walk-on at Northwood.

I think I'm forgetting another. I'll post that if/when I do
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 13, 2013, 01:52:42 PM
sflzman:

Thanks for the pre-season MIAA update regarding recruiting/early commitment info.  Most interesting.

Also, to you and everyone else here:

I just saw where Michigan State announced today they were going to do a $20 million renovation to Spartan Stadium.  What's with that?  They just spent millions in renovating it about 8 years or less ago.  They are adding a building at one end of it for locker rooms, a media center and concessions stands.  I am not sure why they need to do this as they already have locker rooms at the stadium, good concessions areas at the stadium, and a media center both at the stadium and at the huge, spacious football offices/indoor practice center/academic tutoring hall right across the street from the stadium (and a third set of locker rooms at the latter).  I am also not sure why they see the need to spend yet, even more $, although the announcement said they are doing it through donations and fundraising, apparently independent of taxpayer's $.  However, I would also not be surprised to see them end up raising ticket prices even more for this when it is all said and done.  If they do so, seems to me Dantonio and staff will need to step it up "big time" as far as the W-L column is and a better product than they have fielded the last 2-3 years.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  Guess everyone want's to "keep up with the Joneses" when it comes to the non-playing football aspects. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 14, 2013, 12:23:54 AM
I think MSU's improvements are part of a larger plan to encircle the stadium structure with an external gate.  Both for public safety and for crowd control purposes, also esthetics.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 14, 2013, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: sac on May 14, 2013, 12:23:54 AM
I think MSU's improvements are part of a larger plan to encircle the stadium structure with an external gate.  Both for public safety and for crowd control purposes, also esthetics.

I can understand it from that standpoint.  However, you would think they would have had an overall Master Plan as most do, instead of this "piecemeal" add-ons.  Then again, I suppose people could say the same thing about your/my beloved Michigan when they did those unsightly renovations of the Yellow upper tier stadium "boards" before they discontinued those and put it back to a more traditional look as it had been and is now. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 29, 2013, 02:06:06 PM
Most likely many of you have already read/heard about this, however, a sad note that the search for former Grand Valley State star QB Cullen Finnerty, who had been missing since Sunday evening while on a Memorial Day weekend fishing trip up to his family's cottage in Lake County, MI (Baldwin River area some 65 miles north of Grand Rapids, MI) concluded last evening with finding him dead in the woods of unknown causes.  Autopsy results are expected to be released later today according to the press announcements so far.  A very unfortunate tragedy.  My thoughts and prayers go out to his wife, family, friends and his overall "Grand Valley family" of former teammates, coaches, staff, friends and fellow students.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 30, 2013, 10:05:18 PM
Sad to hear about Cullen
Our prayers go out to the family.

I remember him in HS and College amazing run at GVSU
Let's hope the family can find some peace with their loss.

Long time away from Board, should be back in Michigan a little more this year.
What games should I catch?, need to see the updates to a few stadiums in the MIAA.
Glad to see some of the Loyal long time posters are on the board keeping the comments and history moving.

I will hit up a few coaching buddies and find out what I can about Players heading to the MIAA from Metro Detroit Area.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 02, 2013, 02:51:20 PM
Since I post on here once in a while ... I thought I would share something I put on the IIAC page.

I know preseason polls don't mean much ... but Sporting News is out with rankings for D-3.  The top 10 are: 

1. Linfield
2. Mount Union
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater
4. St. Thomas
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor
6. Wesley
7. Wittenberg
8. Wisconsin-Oskosh
9. Johns Hopkins
10. North Central

Other midwest teams of interest ... 13. Bethel ... 16. Wheaton ... 20. Coe ... 24. Wisconsin-Platteville.

Just some grist for the mill.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 02, 2013, 07:35:09 PM
It sure would be nice to see someone other than Mount Union or Whitewater finish at the top.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 04, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 02, 2013, 07:35:09 PM
It sure would be nice to see someone other than Mount Union or Whitewater finish at the top.   ;D

It would be nice, but what these programs have done for the last decade is amazing. Unless these teams have consectively bad seasons (no championship), which I highly doubt. I believe other programs have to use them as a measuring stick and see what they do and not do what they do, but do more than what they do, that is the only way to compete and win at their level of play. Nevertheless, you do see other teams, UMHB, St. Thomas, Wesley and Linfield are teams that come to mind that are trying to break throught and consistently establish themselves as real national championship contenders year in and year out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on June 05, 2013, 04:53:36 PM
In the last three years (2010, 2011, 2012) six teams have finished in the D3FB Post-Season Top 10 each year:  Mt. Union, Mary Hardin-Baylor, St. Thomas, Linfield, North Central, and Wesley.  UW Whitewater missed last year, but they have clearly been a force for so long.  Those six teams are the consistent cream of the crop in DIII.  When you (I) think about it, being in the Top 10 for three consecutive yers is quite an achievement. 
     During these years the others in the Top 10 were UW Oshkosh, Elmhurst, Hobart, Widener  (2012); Wabash, Salisbury, Kean (2011); Bethel, Ohio Northern, and Trine (2010). Each of these teams appeared once.
     Also, during these years only one team--UW Oshkosh-- (leaving in UW Whitewater) has appeared in the Top 5.   Mt. Union and Mary Hardin-Baylor have finished in the Top 5 all three years. In 2009, four years ago, six of the seven appeared (UW Whitewater was Nat'l Champion).  The others in 2008 were Wittenberg, Central, Illinois Wesleyan, and Coe.   
     I had to go back to 2008, five years ago, to see the top teams blown apart.  That year the Top 10 was Mt. Union, UW Whitewater, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Willamette, Wheaton, Cortland St., Hardin-Simmons, Franklin, North Central, and Wartburg. So, apart from the seven teams named above, no team has appeared more than once in the Final Poll Top 10.  To, me that's amazing. 
     (I hope I am correct here.  If not, please take me to task.)  In any event, clearly there is an "elite" with others nibbling at the edges if you go deeper, say taking the Top 20.  It appears the for the moment the task of other schools is to break into the Top 10, even once.     

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 17, 2013, 11:33:09 AM
Have not posted on the board in awhile. What does everyone think about this fall in terms of the
conference, who is favored and what are the top non-conference games? Who are the top 3 and why
going into the fall.

Hope everyone is well and enjoying the summer! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on June 17, 2013, 11:33:09 AM
Have not posted on the board in awhile. What does everyone think about this fall in terms of the
conference, who is favored and what are the top non-conference games? Who are the top 3 and why
going into the fall.

Hope everyone is well and enjoying the summer! :)

I like the Concordia-Chicago vs. Adrian game. Two playoff teams from a year ago. Trine vs. Elmhurst looks to be a good game. I would say the rematch of Albion vs. Wheaton, last years game was great. I think the three teams mentioned from the MIAA are the teams to beat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on of the second round of Nath-Con/MIAA Challenge?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on of the second round of Nath-Con/MIAA Challenge?

You mean the NACC/MIAA Challenge ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on of the second round of Nath-Con/MIAA Challenge?

You mean the NACC/MIAA Challenge ;D

I was originally going to type that but since it hasn't gone into effect yet I decided to use to old one  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on of the second round of Nath-Con/MIAA Challenge?

You mean the NACC/MIAA Challenge ;D

I was originally going to type that but since it hasn't gone into effect yet I decided to use to old one  8-)

Yea, I kind of like the new name, the old one for a while sounded sort of like a telecommuncations company. Nevertheless, I think that the challenge may be 4-3 either way. I like the matchup between Concordia-Chicago vs. Adrian as my top game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on of the second round of Nath-Con/MIAA Challenge?

You mean the NACC/MIAA Challenge ;D

I was originally going to type that but since it hasn't gone into effect yet I decided to use to old one  8-)

Yea, I kind of like the new name, the old one for a while sounded sort of like a telecommuncations company. Nevertheless, I think that the challenge may be 4-3 either way. I like the matchup between Concordia-Chicago vs. Adrian as my top game.

I agree as well. There a lot of tossups this year as well.

My initial picks.

Concordia Chicago @ Adrian: Adrian
Concordia Wisconsin @ Trine: Trine
WLC @ Hope: WLC
Benedictine at Kalamazoo: Benedictine
Aurora at Albion: Aurora
Lakeland at Alma: Alma
Rockford at Olivet: Rockford

Concordia Chicago loses quite a bit of production from last year and are with a new head coach so I think Adrian takes that one. In the rematch from last year I think Trine takes it at home against Concordia Wisconsin. The WLC-Hope matchup I feel is the best one of the bunch. I think WLC gets the slight edge on the road. Benedictine looks to be improved this year and should beat Kalamazoo. Aurora-Albion could really go either way along with Lakeland-Alma. Finally I feel that Rockford keeps getting better and better since the conference sponsored football and should beat Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on June 20, 2013, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on June 17, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 17, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on of the second round of Nath-Con/MIAA Challenge?

You mean the NACC/MIAA Challenge ;D

I was originally going to type that but since it hasn't gone into effect yet I decided to use to old one  8-)

Yea, I kind of like the new name, the old one for a while sounded sort of like a telecommuncations company. Nevertheless, I think that the challenge may be 4-3 either way. I like the matchup between Concordia-Chicago vs. Adrian as my top game.

I agree as well. There a lot of tossups this year as well.

My initial picks.

Concordia Chicago @ Adrian: Adrian
Concordia Wisconsin @ Trine: Trine
WLC @ Hope: WLC
Benedictine at Kalamazoo: Benedictine
Aurora at Albion: Aurora
Lakeland at Alma: Alma
Rockford at Olivet: Rockford

Concordia Chicago loses quite a bit of production from last year and are with a new head coach so I think Adrian takes that one. In the rematch from last year I think Trine takes it at home against Concordia Wisconsin. The WLC-Hope matchup I feel is the best one of the bunch. I think WLC gets the slight edge on the road. Benedictine looks to be improved this year and should beat Kalamazoo. Aurora-Albion could really go either way along with Lakeland-Alma. Finally I feel that Rockford keeps getting better and better since the conference sponsored football and should beat Olivet.

Last year the NathCon did much better than I anticipated. This year I'll go with:
Lakeland at Alma: Lakeland - just because they were kind of pesky last year.

CUC at Adrian: Adrian - CUC's replacing, oh, everybody and will be playing a LOT of young players; never a good formula for success in college football. (I hope this doesn't go like basketball season did last year for the Cougars where they had to replace everybody from the prior year and struggled.)

Aurora at Albion: Albion - Aurora's going to have to prove to me that they're "back", and Albion hasn't really ever left.

WLC at Hope: WLC Hope in a close one (I was just reminded that WLC has a new coach. That might be the difference in an early-season game like this although I think WLC's defense will be pretty stout. This has the makings of a fine game.

Benedictine at Kalamazoo - Benedictine - Although I'm not sure Benedictine is "improved" talent-wise (they lost their All-American running back and conference defensive POY) they still do have talent; they just need to get it together between the ears.

Rockford at Olivet - Olivet - I'm pretty sure I picked Olivet last year as I thought Rockford was the pits. Turns out Rockford won, but Olivet beat Alma later in the year (meaning that Alma was the pits?). If Olivet returns any of their 1000 freshman they played last year they could be on the rise - at least better than Rockford.

CUW at Trine - CUW - The Falcons are, I believe, on the top of a cycle and will, I think, fight it out with WLC for the NAC conference crown. Trine, I believe, is sliding down a cycle.

I still think that overall, the MIAA is a slightly stronger football conference than the NAC who benefitted from a couple flukey wins in the Challenge last year. This year will tell a lot about the relative strengths of these two conferences.



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on June 22, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Not sure if you've all seen the twitter buzz about Alma Football lately. All over the new helmets. Two toned white to maroon with a plaid "A"

The main story was on footballscoop.com

http://footballscoop.com/news/9950-d-iii-program-pays-homage-to-their-roots-with-new-helmet-design

They were also featured on multiple uniform swag accounts on twitter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on June 24, 2013, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 22, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Not sure if you've all seen the twitter buzz about Alma Football lately. All over the new helmets. Two toned white to maroon with a plaid "A"

The main story was on footballscoop.com

http://footballscoop.com/news/9950-d-iii-program-pays-homage-to-their-roots-with-new-helmet-design

They were also featured on multiple uniform swag accounts on twitter.

sflzman,

A different looking helmet, but a great improvement! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 25, 2013, 01:00:50 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 25, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
Quote from: sflzman on June 22, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Not sure if you've all seen the twitter buzz about Alma Football lately. All over the new helmets. Two toned white to maroon with a plaid "A"

The main story was on footballscoop.com

http://footballscoop.com/news/9950-d-iii-program-pays-homage-to-their-roots-with-new-helmet-design

They were also featured on multiple uniform swag accounts on twitter.

Even though I am not a believer of it, it is said if you look good, you play good.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 30, 2013, 08:13:35 AM
Olivet coaches........no comment, and really none is necessary.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCP7YOM3Pk
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on June 30, 2013, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: sac on June 30, 2013, 08:13:35 AM
Olivet coaches........no comment, and really none is necessary.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCP7YOM3Pk

Hahaha.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 23, 2013, 09:45:53 AM
Awful quiet in here - those OC coaches just left us all speechless I guess. 

Hope has a 140 player pre-season roster posted:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/fbrost.html

Roster breakdown by class:

FR - 55
SO - 47
JR - 23
SR - 15
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on July 23, 2013, 12:06:21 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 23, 2013, 09:45:53 AM
Awful quiet in here - those OC coaches just left us all speechless I guess. 

Hope has a 140 player pre-season roster posted:

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/fb/fbrost.html

Roster breakdown by class:

FR - 55
SO - 47
JR - 23
SR - 15

Flying Dutch Fan,

Can Hope win the MIAA title this fall, if so, what needs to happen? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 02, 2013, 11:42:00 AM
Hope's players report for physicals on Tuesday August 13th.  Although this is about the usual time, it is slightly pushed back because our first game is not until September 7th, instead of the usual opening season game on Labor Day weekend, simply to how the schedule ended up being for this year (as it sometimes does every few years in the cycle).  The Saturday of Labor Day weekend will be the final intra-squad "controlled" scrimmage.  Most of the DI schools are reporting today (including those in Michigan), although many have Labor Day opening season games on Labor Day weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 07, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
A little MIAC news ...

http://whtc.com/news/articles/2013/aug/07/hope-colleges-athletic-facilities-get-national-notice/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 07, 2013, 09:46:15 PM
Alma's roster posted

http://goalmascots.com/sports/fball/2013-14/roster
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2013, 01:21:32 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 07, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
A little MIAC news ...

http://whtc.com/news/articles/2013/aug/07/hope-colleges-athletic-facilities-get-national-notice/

This is the MIAA. The MIAC is the Minnesota conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 08, 2013, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2013, 01:21:32 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 07, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
A little MIAC news ...

http://whtc.com/news/articles/2013/aug/07/hope-colleges-athletic-facilities-get-national-notice/

This is the MIAA. The MIAC is the Minnesota conference.

I even know that.  Asleep at the throttle.  Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 08, 2013, 12:13:32 PM
Poll Results (first-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Adrian (4) 9 pts. 2. Hope (2) 15. 2. Trine (1) 15. 2. Albion 15. 5. Olivet 29. 6. Kalamazoo 31. 7. Alma 33.

http://www.miaa.org/landing/index
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2013, 05:14:25 PM
Hope players reported today for testing (both medical and football strength/running tests), physicals and first practice. Just over 130 football physicals done today, slightly down from the recently listed 140 pre-season tentative roster.  Also, decent cooler weather for practice this afternoon.

Any update on the other MIAA schools first practices from anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 13, 2013, 05:21:47 PM
So 130 is the number of kids who reported for Hope, then?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2013, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 13, 2013, 05:21:47 PM
So 130 is the number of kids who reported for Hope, then?

I was told just over 130 today and I didn't clarify the exact number, which I should have when I was there.  From from how it was said to me, I suspect about 6-8 players did not show.  However, I will find out the exact number for you Pat if you want/need it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 19, 2013, 06:16:16 PM
Pat (and all here):

I promised I would get back with your re: the #'s at Hope.  I was briefly at practice today and found out the following:  We had a total of 133 players report last week (down 7 from the 140 that had "committed" originally).  Since then, we have had the usual attrition as any school does the first week as several freshman have decided that college football is just not for them and are now down to 124.
First week of practice went well and especially with the cooler weather, although this week will be the usual humid August that everyone is familiar with (at least that is what the tentative weather reports are).

Hope will be having it's final pre-season "semi-game" controlled scrimmage this Saturday evening under the lights at Ray and Sue Smith Stadium.  They decided to have it a week early this year to allow for those "bumps and bruises" an extra week to heal since our first game just for this year is not until the weekend after Labor Day weekend as usual.  Talk to you again later.

former   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on August 23, 2013, 11:03:40 AM
Some preview coverage from Det News about Albion's Darrin Williams:  http://tinyurl.com/m8oudpe (http://tinyurl.com/m8oudpe)

And their team by team breakdown here: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130822/SPORTS0203/308220009 (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130822/SPORTS0203/308220009)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 23, 2013, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 19, 2013, 06:16:16 PM
Pat (and all here):

I promised I would get back with your re: the #'s at Hope.  I was briefly at practice today and found out the following:  We had a total of 133 players report last week (down 7 from the 140 that had "committed" originally).  Since then, we have had the usual attrition as any school does the first week as several freshman have decided that college football is just not for them and are now down to 124.
First week of practice went well and especially with the cooler weather, although this week will be the usual humid August that everyone is familiar with (at least that is what the tentative weather reports are).

Hope will be having it's final pre-season "semi-game" controlled scrimmage this Saturday evening under the lights at Ray and Sue Smith Stadium.  They decided to have it a week early this year to allow for those "bumps and bruises" an extra week to heal since our first game just for this year is not until the weekend after Labor Day weekend as usual.  Talk to you again later.

former   

formerd3db,

That is still a great number of players for Hope. Is it their year in the MIAA? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 28, 2013, 07:00:19 PM
I am sure Adrian made the playoffs last year, but the team capsule shows that their last playoff appearance was '98. However, the Season preview is great. If you haven't purchased it, you should.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2013, 09:07:59 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on August 28, 2013, 07:00:19 PM
I am sure Adrian made the playoffs last year, but the team capsule shows that their last playoff appearance was '98. However, the Season preview is great. If you haven't purchased it, you should.

Thanks -- easily fixed and I apologize.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 30, 2013, 11:20:27 AM
Raider68:

The numbers are good, in the context of one of the discussions some of our colleagues are having on the one of the other boards here concerning DIII recruiting and the cost of education today at these schools).  While we've had more in, say, about 4-5 years ago, staying around that number is probably the better situation as far as manageability overall.  Of course, with J.V. programs, that helps with high numbers, as you well know via Mount Union's own program.  At the other end of the scale, of course, are some of the schools that have been struggling with overall numbers and retention for various reasons (aka Oberlin, Kenyon in the past, schools like Eureka, etc.).  As we all know, when you get down to the 60's or less in numbers, it often becomes very difficult as the season progresses in regards to injuries that occur. 

Anyway, to answer your question as to how we'll be this year, as you probably have seen, we were picked to be in a 3 way tie for 2nd place this year in the recent annual pre-season coaches poll at their league meeting.  Hope looked good in the final pre-season "game controlled" scrimmage, however, IMO, can't really tell until assessing on the field in a real game.  As we play North Park in the opener next week, I'm sure that will give a preliminary indication as to how good (or bad) we are since North Park is not really a top tier DIII team (although unfortunately, neither are we :o ::) :D ;)).  Yet, from what I've seen so far (and heard and in discussions with our staff), I am very hopefully optimistic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 30, 2013, 02:25:53 PM
sflzman.

Are you doing the MIAA Pickem's this season? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 01, 2013, 06:19:49 PM
Chris Greenwood was signed to the Detroit Lions practice squad today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2013, 09:14:35 PM
MIAA Pickems is back!!  First week's slate is up - PLEASE NOTE, there is a Thursday game and a Friday game this week.  If you miss those times, Saturday picks will still be counted if in on time.  (I'll never select a non-MIAA game before Saturday, but want to include all MIAA games.)

As always, non-conference games and 'other games of interest' are one point each; conference games are two points each.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 02, 2013, 02:51:19 PM
By my count, 16 of 130 on the Hope varsity roster are out of state students.  Just over 10%.

Hope's general enrollment is around 25% out of state.



I've never done it, but I'd be curious what percentage of Hope's out of state students are on athletic rosters.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2013, 04:46:21 PM
Quote from: sac on September 01, 2013, 06:19:49 PM
Chris Greenwood was signed to the Detroit Lions practice squad today.

sac:

What is the inside story on that?  I haven't followed the Lions much at all during this pre-season (in part, by choice, in part due to other things going on).  3-4 weeks ago, he was being projected as either a starter or 5th or sixth db.  Did he not make the final roster due to his injury again this year?

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2013, 04:49:28 PM
The story on the Detroit Lions website I saw made reference to that very fact -- because of injury, coaches hadn't had a real opportunity to evaluate him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2013, 06:13:48 PM
Thanks Pat.  Makes sense.  Hopefully, he will be called up sometime during the season and then have his chance in a regular season game.  Obviously, they like his talent level and work ethic (even into his second season), otherwise they would have released him outright. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 06, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
Trine 19 Manchester 3

....and away we go



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on September 08, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
nice win for hope last night
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2013, 05:36:14 PM
Quote from: hope1 on September 08, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
nice win for hope last night

Indeed it was.  It was also great to see the offense get back to what we've been a few years ago.  Of course, the test will be this weekend to see if they can sustain it.  From what I've read, Millikin is not quite as strong as they were last year, however, I do am not taking that at face value because Hope can't take them for granted.  Yet, a nice win like the one yesterday sure would be great and especially for the special day of dedication of the stadium officially being named for Coach Ray and Sue Smith.  Looking forward to a great day of football and including the weather.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 12, 2013, 09:06:39 PM
Our board has been dormant.  I assume we are all busy working hard at our respective jobs! :o ::) ;) :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 12, 2013, 09:11:56 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 12, 2013, 09:06:39 PM
Our board has been dormant.  I assume we are all busy working hard at our respective jobs! :o ::) ;) :D

Or just waiting for basketball season.  Despite a few of us, I just don't think the MIAA is a football conference. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 12, 2013, 11:08:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 12, 2013, 09:06:39 PM
Our board has been dormant.  I assume we are all busy working hard at our respective jobs! :o ::) ;) :D

Yep, been busy getting things ready for the home-opener on Saturday afternoon!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2013, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 12, 2013, 09:11:56 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 12, 2013, 09:06:39 PM
Our board has been dormant.  I assume we are all busy working hard at our respective jobs! :o ::) ;) :D

Or just waiting for basketball season.  Despite a few of us, I just don't think the MIAA is a football conference. :P

Quote from: OC_SID on September 12, 2013, 11:08:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 12, 2013, 09:06:39 PM
Our board has been dormant.  I assume we are all busy working hard at our respective jobs! :o ::) ;) :D

Yep, been busy getting things ready for the home-opener on Saturday afternoon!

Mr. Ypsi:

Well, I can understand that potential mode of thinking by some.  Our MIAA is not the football league it once was, unfortunately, although several reasons for that as many have discussed.  There will still always be us "die-hards" as you indicate! ;) :)


OC_SID:

I knew that was the case for you! ;D ;) :)  Good luck to your team this weekend.  Could Olivet really make it "2 in a row"? :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
Great attendance for Albion's home game season opener vs. Defiance last weekend - wow, 3,556 is excellent.  It will be interesting to see how they do against Wheaton tomorrow night.  Although from what we've read on the boards regarding Wheaton being in a somewhat "rebuilding" year, I still think it will be a tough game, particularly since it is at their place.  If Albion wins, I say "look-out" for them to the rest of us in our MIAA, even though it is early in the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 13, 2013, 02:05:52 PM
Mr. Ypsi, are you going to be making the trek up to Alma tomorrow afternoon?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2013, 02:05:52 PM
Mr. Ypsi, are you going to be making the trek up to Alma tomorrow afternoon?

Unfortunately, no can do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 13, 2013, 11:47:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2013, 02:05:52 PM
Mr. Ypsi, are you going to be making the trek up to Alma tomorrow afternoon?

Unfortunately, no can do.

That's too bad! Unfortunately I don't think it will be much of a game. Alma's still in the rebuilding stages. Predicting IWU's offense to be too much, along with Alma's youth and inexperience on offense.  Those two don't add up to a good result, unfortunately
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2013, 12:33:36 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2013, 11:47:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: sflzman on September 13, 2013, 02:05:52 PM
Mr. Ypsi, are you going to be making the trek up to Alma tomorrow afternoon?

Unfortunately, no can do.

That's too bad! Unfortunately I don't think it will be much of a game. Alma's still in the rebuilding stages. Predicting IWU's offense to be too much, along with Alma's youth and inexperience on offense.  Those two don't add up to a good result, unfortunately

Yeah, at one point last week Rob Gallik (the qb who's season-ending injury killed our season last year after starting 6-0, 12th in the country; we finished 6-4) was 20-22 - which is hard to do in the back yard with no defenders! :o  Our hoped-for running back, T J Stinde can't seem to shake his injuries, but Devonte Jones had a break-out game with 313 total yards: 135 rushing, 36 receiving (1 TD), and 142 on kick returns, including a 91 yard return which (amazingly) did not get him a TD.

Good luck to Alma, but I suspect this one will be over by halftime.

IF Gallik (and most of the rest) can stay healthy, I'm predicting a top ten national finish for IWU - and they'd better do it this year, because this is a VERY senior-loaded team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2013, 10:03:59 AM
Mr. Ypsi and sflzman:

Yes, depending on how Hope does this weekend and next, it will be interesting to see how we fare against IWU when we play down there.  By then, it will probably be more than evident as to just how good IWU is as you have already pointed out.  We'll see.  I will have a better gauge on that after I see how we do against Millikin today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2013, 02:23:57 PM
YIKES!!  At the half, Alma 3, IWU 0!!

After his magnificent passing performance last week, Gallik is so far 2 for 9, with THREE interceptions.  Just before the half, IWU had 1st and goal at the Alma 2, and couldn't score. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 14, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
UPSET ALERT BOYS AND GIRLS......TRINE 16 ELMHURST 7!!  Defense, defense and more defense from Trine.  Transfer Richard Gunn over 100 yds on the ground and a huge TD in 4th to seal the victory. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 14, 2013, 04:05:17 PM
Trine 16, Elmhurst, Ill. 7
Illinois Wesleyan 38, Alma 3
Olivet 14, Wisconsin Lutheran 10


Adrian and Kzoo were both up by 14 and 10 points respectively in the 4th and Hope is rolling Millikin by 34 in the 4th.  Good day for the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 14, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
Watched the Hope-Millikan game today.  Hope looked better than I've seen them in the last few years ... although Millikan helped out.  Hope's offense was pretty evenly balanced.  QB Atwell looked good as did Hope's running game.  Going by today's scores (and allowing for the fact that this is only the second week of MIAA competition), the MIAA title might come down to the Hope-Trine game in early November.  Will have to wait to see how Adrian factors in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2013, 06:15:37 PM
The IWU @ Alma final score was about what I would have predicted, but what a weird way to reach it!  After probably their worst half of football in many years, they were absolutely unstoppable in the second, while holding Alma without a 2nd half first down.  Gallik rebounded from his worst half as a collegiate qb, going 11 for 15 with 147 yards and 2 TDs after the break.  Something tells me the halftime lockerroom was NOT g-rated! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 14, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
Couldn't figure out why my posting on today's Hope-Millikan game seemed out of sync.  I finally figured it out.  Its Millikin ... duh!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2013, 10:41:14 PM
Random thoughts re: today's games:

I agree with DBQ's assessment of Hope's game.  The bigger test(s) will come next week now against Wisconsin Lutheran (which was a surprising loser to Olivet today) and, of course, the week later against Illinois Wesleyan (who easily handled Alma today).  It was a beautiful day for football; fantastic home crowd of 4,110 and dedication of Coach Ray and Sue Smith Stadium.  It was great to see quite a few of my former Hope teammates.  It was also great that we did not have any major injuries today (except for the visiting high school band which had about 11 students go down before the start of the game due to dehydration - I heard they are all doing fine, yet my thoughts and prayers go out to them and their families).  Congrats to Coach Kreps and staff and the team for a great start to the season- much better than recent years.

Olivet is a surprising 2-0!  So I say watch out for them.  Despite that, I was very surprised to see that they only had 985 at their home game today.  Kazoo is 2-0 also.

Albion is getting smashed by Wheaton; 66-0 so far - ouch!  However, I would not  count them out at all.  Alma is in trouble so far - not being able to put up points doesn't help - that is surprising for them.  Adrian beats Defiance as expected.  Trine beating Elmhurst is a good sign for them; I think they will be in the mix for the title also. 

The league race will be interesting and, at least so far, I think there will be some spoilers and surprises.  Let's also hope that the great weather continues for quite some time.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 15, 2013, 02:18:09 PM
Wheaton 66 Albion 0

rough night for the Britons after a rough week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2013, 10:10:34 PM
Nice to see some non-conference wins for the MIAA!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 16, 2013, 12:22:15 AM
Olivet has already equaled their win total for the last five years put together, and with winless Rockford and North Park coming the next two weeks they would seem to have a decent shot at entering conference competition undefeated! :o  If they do that and can win even a couple of MIAA games, their coach may be a shoo-in for COY!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2013, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 16, 2013, 12:22:15 AM
Olivet has already equaled their win total for the last five years put together, and with winless Rockford and North Park coming the next two weeks they would seem to have a decent shot at entering conference competition undefeated! :o  If they do that and can win even a couple of MIAA games, their coach may be a shoo-in for COY!

You could very well be right, although obviously, we don't want to jump to conclusions or rather get ahead of ourselves since there is still a long way to go.  Being that it is early, we also can't count out Kazoo's and/or Hope's coach in that regard! As we've seen at all levels, anything can happen! ::) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 16, 2013, 12:37:13 PM
Uncle Rico:

Glad to see you still hanging with us!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: d3fan1515 on September 16, 2013, 05:52:36 PM
Can anyone give me the skinny on Kalamazoo this year? BU plays them this week in the challenge series so i'm curious... Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: adidas28 on September 17, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2013, 10:10:34 PM
Nice to see some non-conference wins for the MIAA!

Hey Rico, it's been a while. I went to the game last weekend. The Thunder defense was great! The offense found it's way in the second half and started clicking. The offensive line has alot of size and I think wore down Elmhurst. I'm going to try and get down there this weekend too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 17, 2013, 02:44:00 PM
(Copy-and-paste job from the NACC board)

Picks for the NACC-MIAA Challenge:

Adrian - CUC - CUC is too young for a veteran and tough Adrian outfit, although the Cougars were somewhat competitive in the last three quarters against Chicago.

Kalamazoo - BU - Benedictine looked pretty good in a loss to Wheaton and took care of business against North Park. If the Hornets find a way to scheme this into a win, the NACC is in trouble.

Olivet - Rockford - I thought Olivet would be a year or so away from being competitive, but by association: If Olivet is better than WLC, and I think that WLC is better than Rockford, then Olivet is better than Rockford. (But this never works the way you think it should in football, so who knows?)

Hope - WLC - Before the season began I would have picked WLC, but based on their first two games I'm going to go with Hope; too much offense for the Dutch.

Alma - Lakeland - It's hard to get a read on these two teams from their previous two games, as they both got smoked last week against vastly better teams. I'll go with Lakeland as they looked decent against Carroll in their opener.

Albion - Aurora - No idea. I'm freaked out that Albion got crushed by an admittedly very good Wheaton team and Aurora had the ability to hang around with IWU for a little while.

Trine - CUW - This could be a very competitive game in which I don't have a great deal of confidence in the pick. Bold prediction: whoever wins this game will win their conference.

I have 4-3 NACC, but four is the absolute number of wins they get unless some MIAA teams come down with mass food poisoning or something. I could easily see the MIAA winning six, but the NACC was surprising last year. No sneaking up this year.

It's interesting how these teams are matched up. I realize that you have to go by last year's records, but I don't think that these matchups/rankings reflect the NACC's relative strength to each other this year.
CUC is "seeded" #1 based on last year's record but may easily be the cellar-dweller in the conference at the end of this year (although I hope not). Benedictine struggled down the stretch last year, but I think they were better than that last year and they are certainly better than their seeding this year. WLC may not be nearly as strong as last year's team was and might be a bad match-up with Hope. The better match-ups would be (to me):

Benedictine-Adrian
CUW-Trine (the same)
Aurora-Hope
WLC-Albion
Lakeland-Olivet
Rockford-Kalamazoo
CUC-Alma

I see Hope, Trine, and Adrian (with the Bulldogs as slight favorite) battling it out for the top spot in the MIAA and CUW and BU as the only real threats to win the NACC this year.

Let's hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 18, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
Hope returned an onside kick for a TD against Millikin, you just don't see that often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4mRVMbNTHo
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 18, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
Hope returned an onside kick for a TD against Millikin, you just don't see that often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4mRVMbNTHo

I saw that last Saturday and it was pretty amazing.  I know he was excited but could have done without the dive into the end zone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 18, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
Hope returned an onside kick for a TD against Millikin, you just don't see that often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4mRVMbNTHo

I saw that last Saturday and it was pretty amazing.  I know he was excited but could have done without the dive into the end zone.

I know that player well and he is a great young man.  He is not a showboat; that was just one of those things that happened.  As I recall, we got flagged for "excessive celebration" on that play, which was enforced on the ensuing kickoff.  He also had an INT later in the game. 

As to the onsides kick early in the game, I can understand (well, only slightly ::) ;)) their coach wanting to cause a surprise/quick change, however, were it me, I would not have called it right then.  As I recall, the score was only 21-7 at the time and, while Hope would have still beat Millikin handily, that play kind of turned the tide for good, even though it was still in the first half.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 18, 2013, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 18, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 18, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
Hope returned an onside kick for a TD against Millikin, you just don't see that often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4mRVMbNTHo

I saw that last Saturday and it was pretty amazing.  I know he was excited but could have done without the dive into the end zone.

I know that player well and he is a great young man.  He is not a showboat; that was just one of those things that happened.  As I recall, we got flagged for "excessive celebration" on that play, which was enforced on the ensuing kickoff.  He also had an INT later in the game. 

As to the onsides kick early in the game, I can understand (well, only slightly ::) ;)) their coach wanting to cause a surprise/quick change, however, were it me, I would not have called it right then.  As I recall, the score was only 21-7 at the time and, while Hope would have still beat Millikin handily, that play kind of turned the tide for good, even though it was still in the first half.


I'm just old school I guess.  As Coach Lombardi said, "When you get into the end zone, act like you've been there before."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2013, 10:54:02 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 18, 2013, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 18, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 18, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
Hope returned an onside kick for a TD against Millikin, you just don't see that often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4mRVMbNTHo

I saw that last Saturday and it was pretty amazing.  I know he was excited but could have done without the dive into the end zone.

I know that player well and he is a great young man.  He is not a showboat; that was just one of those things that happened.  As I recall, we got flagged for "excessive celebration" on that play, which was enforced on the ensuing kickoff.  He also had an INT later in the game. 

As to the onsides kick early in the game, I can understand (well, only slightly ::) ;)) their coach wanting to cause a surprise/quick change, however, were it me, I would not have called it right then.  As I recall, the score was only 21-7 at the time and, while Hope would have still beat Millikin handily, that play kind of turned the tide for good, even though it was still in the first half.


I'm just old school I guess.  As Coach Lombardi said, "When you get into the end zone, act like you've been there before."

Oh, I agree with you entirely.  I am not a supporter of "over the top" celebrations at all.  Although I don't agree with the NCAA rule that doesn't allow any reasonable expression of emotion by a player who has just scored, we still have to follow the rules, yet, IMO, there should certainly be some discretion by officials at times.  Yet, for a purposely executed flip, I think they have to make that call. ;D ;)  I'm just saying he is really not a "showboater", but at some time or another, we've all let our emotions get the best of us and have made a "mistake"! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 19, 2013, 09:51:08 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 18, 2013, 10:54:02 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 18, 2013, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 18, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 18, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
Hope returned an onside kick for a TD against Millikin, you just don't see that often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4mRVMbNTHo

I saw that last Saturday and it was pretty amazing.  I know he was excited but could have done without the dive into the end zone.

I know that player well and he is a great young man.  He is not a showboat; that was just one of those things that happened.  As I recall, we got flagged for "excessive celebration" on that play, which was enforced on the ensuing kickoff.  He also had an INT later in the game. 

As to the onsides kick early in the game, I can understand (well, only slightly ::) ;)) their coach wanting to cause a surprise/quick change, however, were it me, I would not have called it right then.  As I recall, the score was only 21-7 at the time and, while Hope would have still beat Millikin handily, that play kind of turned the tide for good, even though it was still in the first half.


I'm just old school I guess.  As Coach Lombardi said, "When you get into the end zone, act like you've been there before."

Oh, I agree with you entirely.  I am not a supporter of "over the top" celebrations at all.  Although I don't agree with the NCAA rule that doesn't allow any reasonable expression of emotion by a player who has just scored, we still have to follow the rules, yet, IMO, there should certainly be some discretion by officials at times.  Yet, for a purposely executed flip, I think they have to make that call. ;D ;)  I'm just saying he is really not a "showboater", but at some time or another, we've all let our emotions get the best of us and have made a "mistake"! ;)

Not to mention that 1) at his age we were all more likely to give into our emotions, and 2) I seriously doubt that any front line blocker on that receiving team expected an onside kick, let alone running it back for a TD. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Early MIAA-NACC Challenge scores

Wisconsin Lutheran 7
Hope 3

Half

Alma 20
Lakeland 0

2nd

Trine 17
Concordia Wisconsin 7

2nd

Kalamazoo 7
Benedictine 7

2nd

Olivet 7
Rockford 0

2nd

Albion 7
Aurora 0

1st
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 21, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Early MIAA-NACC Challenge scores

Wisconsin Lutheran 7
Hope 3

Half

Hope 43 Wisc- Lutheran 7  4th Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2013, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: sac on September 21, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Early MIAA-NACC Challenge scores

Wisconsin Lutheran 7
Hope 3

Half

Hope 43 Wisc- Lutheran 7  4th Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

Actually the final score is 37-7 Hope. WLC just imploded in the second half after heading into the locker room up 7-3.

Other Finals

Lakeland 21
Alma 20

Final

Muskies come 20 down to take it.

Olivet 34
Rockford 7

Final

Benedictine 28
Kalamazoo 23

Final
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 21, 2013, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2013, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: sac on September 21, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
Early MIAA-NACC Challenge scores

Wisconsin Lutheran 7
Hope 3

Half

Hope 43 Wisc- Lutheran 7  4th Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

Actually the final score is 37-7 Hope. WLC just imploded in the second half after heading into the locker room up 7-3.


Live stats went super screwy right around the time I updated that.  The video still stands though. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 21, 2013, 05:08:34 PM
Just back from Zollner Stadium here in Angola.  Trine wins a crazy game 47-41 over Concordia (WI).

The good:  Trine's offense.  Had a solid day running the football and passing.  Andrew Dee gets the start at QB with Anthony Yoder, weeks 1 and 2 QB, moving back to WR.  I like the move.  Dee throws a nice ball.  He did have one bad mistake on a screen pass where he threw it right to the Concordia DE which set up their TD right before halftime.  But otherwise managed the game well.  Trine's run defense was very stout.  But Concordia went to their spread game after their first series where they went 3 and out trying to run on us.  More on Concordia's aerial assault later.

The bad:  Penalties...ugh.  We got to get that cleaned up.  I don't know how many times we gave up first downs on penalties.  Most were pass interference calls, some good calls, some very questionable.  Also the O Line has too many holding calls.  Concordia has 2 guys who were very impressive pitching and catching the ball.  We had no answer to Concordia's 6'6 WR Wenzelburger.  Wish we would have doubled him more as it was obvious he couldn't be stopped 1 on 1, but then again it's hard to do when Concordia has your defense spread out with their 4 and 5 wideout sets.  Wenzelburger dominated all day.  He made a lot of tough catches plus Damaschke has a terrific arm too.

The ugly:  Game management.  Coach Land almost became the goat of the game.  Up 47-27 with 9 minutes to go, he decides to sub in 2nd team on offense and defense.  To me the way Concordia can throw it around and make big plays I didn't think it was a wise move.  It just about backfired.  If Concordia recovers either one of their onside kicks, first with around 3 minutes to go, then after their last touchdown under a minute to play, Trine very well could have lost.  Plus we tried a FG late in the 4th and got it blocked too.  Maybe a better move would be to run another play deep in their territory, if we don't get the first, they have 90 yds to go the other way. 

We got the W and in the end that is all that matters.  Concordia was solid, kudos for making this one interesting at the end.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2013, 05:15:07 PM
MIAA wraps up the 2nd annual NACC/MIAA Challenge leading 4-2 with one game left.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 21, 2013, 10:30:15 PM
Wow, Olivet is 3-0 and so is Hope, Alma the reverse.  Kazoo loses a tough one; Alma finds a way to implode.

Hope was sluggish during the first half.  The offense didn't seem to have the attitude to "be in the game".  I am not sure if some of this was the complacency that can sometimes be at risk when you play as well as we did in the first two games, regardless of how good (or bad) the opponents were.  Nonetheless, this is the first time since 1992 that Hope has opened the season 3-0.  Next week will be the first big test when we travel to Illinois Wesleyan.

Today's weather at Hope was again great.  Needed a light jacket, but the rain clouds did not threaten until the last 1-2 minutes of the game, yet it never rained a drop.  Also, I noticed the announced attendance in the box score at 1424.  Nothing intended against our new SID and staff that compiles those, however, IMO, there is no way that could be.  While we didn't have quite as many as last week, which was 4100+, the entire home stand were completely filled, which in an of itself would be way more than 1000 people.  There were fans sitting on the endzone hill as usual as well.  This "phenomena" happened last year when the second home game of the season was recorded with a similar lower attendance.  I personally counted that last year and there were more than recorded, which would have made our average attendance at home games about 3,300 had that low "score" not been there.  Again, I am confused as to this apparent/potential discrepancy.  Not pointing fingers at all, just curious. ??? ;)

Anyway, it is a great feeling to be 3-0 as compared to that experienced the last few years!  Again, next week's challenge will not be easy, but at the same time, an upset of the favorite (IWU) would be fantastic for us.  Thanks Capt_Joe and sac for the info on some of the games (thanks also to Pat and crew for another great job in getting the scores/box scores for all the teams posted so quickly by early evening).

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 24, 2013, 10:24:16 AM
Catching up on MIAA action.Was Wheaton that good VS Albion or was it the combination of Albion College being without power and the daily schedule, practice etc... being changed practice time reduced.

Glad to see the MIAA win some non conference games.
Impressed that Olivet is 3-0 after a few rough years.

Looks like another competitive year in the MIAA for which team will win the league.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2013, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2013, 10:30:15 PMthanks also to Pat and crew for another great job in getting the scores/box scores for all the teams posted so quickly by early evening

I can't take any credit for this. With the MIAA using a PrestoSports website, whatever scores and stats schools report to the conference (or post to their own site, in the case of Adrian, Albion, Alma, Hope, Kalamazoo and Olivet) automatically posts on our site as well.

It's a nice improvement from the days in which getting scores from the MIAA was like pulling teeth.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 24, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
The MIAA-NACC Challenge has been extended through the 2017 season. Instead of having it one week it will be implemented during conference play when teams have a bye in conference play. Matchups will still be determined by final standings from the previous year.

http://www.naccsports.org/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130923j0pmhl (http://www.naccsports.org/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130923j0pmhl)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 24, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2013, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2013, 10:30:15 PMthanks also to Pat and crew for another great job in getting the scores/box scores for all the teams posted so quickly by early evening

I can't take any credit for this. With the MIAA using a PrestoSports website, whatever scores and stats schools report to the conference (or post to their own site, in the case of Adrian, Albion, Alma, Hope, Kalamazoo and Olivet) automatically posts on our site as well.

It's a nice improvement from the days in which getting scores from the MIAA was like pulling teeth.

I just typed miaa.org, didn't hurt my teeth at all. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 24, 2013, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 24, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
The MIAA-NACC Challenge has been extended through the 2017 season. Instead of having it one week it will be implemented during conference play when teams have a bye in conference play. Matchups will still be determined by final standings from the previous year.

http://www.naccsports.org/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130923j0pmhl (http://www.naccsports.org/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130923j0pmhl)

I read that to mean that in addition to the crossover games based on standings they will also play an additional game during each teams bye week.  So everyone plays two games vs the the NACC


In addition to having the Challenge Series where opponents will be generally determined by the previous year's standings in both conferences, the MIAA and NACC have also reached an "interlock" agreement, in which the teams that have the bye in conference play each week will play each other.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: sac on September 24, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2013, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2013, 10:30:15 PMthanks also to Pat and crew for another great job in getting the scores/box scores for all the teams posted so quickly by early evening

I can't take any credit for this. With the MIAA using a PrestoSports website, whatever scores and stats schools report to the conference (or post to their own site, in the case of Adrian, Albion, Alma, Hope, Kalamazoo and Olivet) automatically posts on our site as well.

It's a nice improvement from the days in which getting scores from the MIAA was like pulling teeth.

I just typed miaa.org, didn't hurt my teeth at all. :)

Yep. That's fine for those of you who need four scores on a Saturday rather than 100.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 25, 2013, 09:07:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: sac on September 24, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2013, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2013, 10:30:15 PMthanks also to Pat and crew for another great job in getting the scores/box scores for all the teams posted so quickly by early evening

I can't take any credit for this. With the MIAA using a PrestoSports website, whatever scores and stats schools report to the conference (or post to their own site, in the case of Adrian, Albion, Alma, Hope, Kalamazoo and Olivet) automatically posts on our site as well.

It's a nice improvement from the days in which getting scores from the MIAA was like pulling teeth.

I just typed miaa.org, didn't hurt my teeth at all. :)

Yep. That's fine for those of you who need four scores on a Saturday rather than 100.

Only 100 - thought that's why you get paid the big bucks  ;)   ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2013, 10:43:26 AM
Already feeling dragged down by my day job one hour into the day today. Would love if there were truly big bucks. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 25, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
The Dallas Cowboys signed Albion grad Chris Greenwood off the Lions practice squad today.

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/lions-insider/article-1/BREAKING-Lions-lose-CB-Chris-Greenwood-to-Cowboys-/ed23272e-f5f7-401c-819a-420149972c42
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 25, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
Pat:

Totally understand where you are coming from; I and others have the same feeling in our "day jobs" more often than some people might realize or know! ;)

sac:

Just another example of how the Detroit Lions bungle things.  You would have thought they would have known if Greenwood was healthy or not.  Obviously, he was more healthy, otherwise, Dallas would not have made that move and also the potential that he will get some significant playing time there.  Although I would never wish an injury on any player, I wouldn't be surprised if that would happen in Detroit to one of their DBs this season and then they really could have used Greenwood.  While I understand their "reasoning" that since he had missed a fair amount of his second pre-season due to the injury, IMO, there is no reason why they couldn't have worked and developed him including with playing time sometime this season.  At least have given him a chance. 

All that said, it will be ironically sad (or funny ;D ::) :o) if this came back to haunt the Detroit.  I hope Greenwood does well and wish him the best.  It would be great not only for him but our MIAA!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 26, 2013, 04:48:06 PM
So after two games, who looks to be the team to beat in the MIAA? Is it Hope, is Olivet for real or
not. What about Adrian or Trine?  This conference race for a playoff spot this fall is wide open! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on September 28, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Dutch fans, what is Todd Blackledge's connection to Hope?  He was wearing Hope gear on during a segment he did for the Ole Miss Bama game tonight.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 28, 2013, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on September 28, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Dutch fans, what is Todd Blackledge's connection to Hope?  He was wearing Hope gear on during a segment he did for the Ole Miss Bama game tonight.

I checked the Hope football roster - nobody named Blackledge (I couldn't gain access to the student directory).  Perhaps a nephew on his wife's side of the family?  (On the other hand, I have a long-sleeve t from Hope thanks to formerd3db - but I wouldn't wear it on TV.  At least, not on the same day Hope is playing IWU!! ;D  It's possible it was just a 'random' thing from a gift he'd received.)

Any Hope fans know the answer?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on September 29, 2013, 09:13:51 AM
Hey former, looks like your team gave IWU all it could handle yesterday. Good luck during the conference portion of your season! Also congrats to Olivet on starting 4-0!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 29, 2013, 11:21:06 PM
Massey's season probability of victory predictions would put the MIAA standings at.....

Adrian  6-0
Trine  5-1
Hope 4-2
Albion 3-3
Kzoo 2-4
Olivet 1-5
Alma 0-6

The score predictions between Adrian, Trine and Hope all come with a 3 point margin.

Adrian 10  Hope 7
Trine 20  Hope 17
Adrian 10 Trine 7


Albion might finish 4th but expect them to be right in the race right to the last two weekends when they play at Hope and at Adrian to finish the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2013, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on September 28, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Dutch fans, what is Todd Blackledge's connection to Hope?  He was wearing Hope gear on during a segment he did for the Ole Miss Bama game tonight.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 28, 2013, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on September 28, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Dutch fans, what is Todd Blackledge's connection to Hope?  He was wearing Hope gear on during a segment he did for the Ole Miss Bama game tonight.

I checked the Hope football roster - nobody named Blackledge (I couldn't gain access to the student directory).  Perhaps a nephew on his wife's side of the family?  (On the other hand, I have a long-sleeve t from Hope thanks to formerd3db - but I wouldn't wear it on TV.  At least, not on the same day Hope is playing IWU!! ;D  It's possible it was just a 'random' thing from a gift he'd received.)

Any Hope fans know the answer?

I do not know guys, however, I will check to find out.  Homecoming is this weekend so I'm sure we'll be able to find an answer.  Perhaps it is like Tim Allen on his former comedy handy-man show (I forget the name) where he wore a different university and small college sweatshirt for each show on camera.  He, indeed, wore a Hope College sweatshirt on one episode.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2013, 09:43:33 AM
BTW, friends...please keep OC_SID and his family in your thoughts and prayers.  His mother passed away last evening after a lengthy illness.  That is always tough as many of us know since we've personally experienced that as well.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 30, 2013, 10:20:05 AM
OC_SID   sorry for your loss.

Remember the good years, be thankful for the good times and the moments shared.
This is the best way to honor her memory.


Your family is in our prayers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 01, 2013, 09:28:46 AM
OC_SID - So sorry for your loss.  Prayers for you and your entire family
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 01, 2013, 09:44:05 AM
Nice to see that with the pre-conference portion of the season complete, the MIAA has accumulated it's best record (and only winning record) in the last 10 years (probably much longer, but I only went back to 2004).

Year - - W - - L - - PCT
2013 - - 17 - - 11 - - 0.607
2012 - - 12 - - 16 - - 0.429
2011 - - 14 - - 14 - - 0.500
2010 - -   8 - - 20 - - 0.286
2009 - - 10 - - 18 - - 0.357
2008 - - 12 - - 16 - - 0.429
2007 - -   7 - - 16 - - 0.304
2006 - -   5 - - 18 - - 0.217
2005 - -   8 - - 16 - - 0.333
2004 - - 12 - - 12 - - 0.500


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 01, 2013, 10:33:12 AM
Not only a good record, but a good season "qualitatively" as well.  Hope gave one of the best CCIW teams a tough game.  Trine beat CCIW midpacker Elmhurst.  Adrian beat Carthage.  Kazoo's win over Rose-Hulman is nice.  Olivet being 4-0 against anybody is good for them, including CCIW doormat North Park.  I know they didn't beat any of the really good CCIW teams, but ordinarily even the bottom of the CCIW cleans the floor with the MIAA.  It was nice to see the MIAA beat several of those middle-pack CCIW teams.  The MIAA won't be confused for a power conference any time soon, but this was a very good OOC season relative to expectations.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2013, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 01, 2013, 09:44:05 AM
Nice to see that with the pre-conference portion of the season complete, the MIAA has accumulated it's best record (and only winning record) in the last 10 years (probably much longer, but I only went back to 2004).

Year - - W - - L - - PCT
2013 - - 17 - - 11 - - 0.607
2012 - - 12 - - 16 - - 0.429
2011 - - 14 - - 14 - - 0.500
2010 - -   8 - - 20 - - 0.286
2009 - - 10 - - 18 - - 0.357
2008 - - 12 - - 16 - - 0.429
2007 - -   7 - - 16 - - 0.304
2006 - -   5 - - 18 - - 0.217
2005 - -   8 - - 16 - - 0.333
2004 - - 12 - - 12 - - 0.500

Going back as far as we have data in the system:
2003: 21-7  http://www.d3football.com/conf/MIAA/2003/standings
2002: 17-10 http://www.d3football.com/conf/MIAA/2002/standings
2001: 14-14 http://www.d3football.com/conf/MIAA/2001/standings
2000: 15-13 http://www.d3football.com/conf/MIAA/2000/standings
1999: 7-15 http://www.d3football.com/conf/MIAA/1999/standings
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HopeVet on October 01, 2013, 11:21:41 AM
This is my first post.  I've been a MIAA basketball and football "lurker" for many years but being electronically challenged I've hesitated getting a username and actually posting something.  My 8 year granddaughter is not here to help me so I have no clue what I'm doing.  I do have an answer as to why Todd Blackledge was wearing a Hope College sweatshirt on tv last Saturday on his "Taste of the Town" segment during last Saturday's Alabama-Mississippi game which he was the analyst for.  His son Harrison is a freshman at Hope and was recruited by Matt Neil to play basketball.  He is 6'5" and was third team all-Ohio as a senior at Hoover high school in Canton, Ohio.  As a senior, Harrison made 152 free throws, breaking his dad's record of 133 at the same high school.  Todd made quite a stir last February when he and Harrison attended the Hope-Calvin game at DeVos, although apparently the regular posters who know everything "recruiting" were not as stirred as I was as nobody has mentioned it previously.  If this takes, and I don't get too much negative karma, I may even talk about the mustard and ketchup containers at DeVos on the basketball board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2013, 11:50:27 AM
Welcome to the board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 01, 2013, 11:53:51 AM
Thanks for sharing, HopeVet!  Very cool!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 01, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Quote from: HopeVet on October 01, 2013, 11:21:41 AM
Todd made quite a stir last February when he and Harrison attended the Hope-Calvin game at DeVos, although apparently the regular posters who know everything "recruiting" were not as stirred as I was as nobody has mentioned it previously.  If this takes, and I don't get too much negative karma, I may even talk about the mustard and ketchup containers at DeVos on the basketball board.

Indeed - welcome to the board.  Glad you took the step to start posting and I Hope to see you posting in the bball thread as well. 

Regarding the mentioning of recruits, I know there are a number of posters (myself included) who will not share that information until the recruit has actually enrolled at the school.  No real commitments exist in DIII, no letter of intent or anything.  As to not posting about it since he is now enrolled at Hope, for me, I've just been too busy and focused on other sports.

P.S. - don't forget the onions  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 01, 2013, 12:22:35 PM
Here was Todd's "Taste of the Town" from this past weekends game showing a little love for the Dutchmen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgn4QGAVMaA


Also if you're interested there was this "bio" on Harrison from last spring.
http://www.cantonrep.com/highschool/x171170706/2013-All-Stark-County-boys-basketball-Harrison-Blackledge
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 01, 2013, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 01, 2013, 09:44:05 AM
Nice to see that with the pre-conference portion of the season complete, the MIAA has accumulated it's best record (and only winning record) in the last 10 years (probably much longer, but I only went back to 2004).

Year - - W - - L - - PCT
2013 - - 17 - - 11 - - 0.607
2012 - - 12 - - 16 - - 0.429
2011 - - 14 - - 14 - - 0.500
2010 - -   8 - - 20 - - 0.286
2009 - - 10 - - 18 - - 0.357
2008 - - 12 - - 16 - - 0.429
2007 - -   7 - - 16 - - 0.304
2006 - -   5 - - 18 - - 0.217
2005 - -   8 - - 16 - - 0.333
2004 - - 12 - - 12 - - 0.500

Its always been hard to gauge where the MIAA stands with regards to their non-conference records.  There was a time when Hope and Albion among others played pretty ridiculous out of conference schedules  ie, not many "softies".  The league as a whole seems to be doing a better job of finding "like" schools with regards to competitive level of play.  The challenge series with what was the NathCon has certainly helped.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2013, 01:51:19 PM
HopeVet (and sac):

Thanks for the answer to the Blackledge question.  Also, I join the others in welcoming you HopeVet to the board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 03, 2013, 07:44:43 AM
Deadspin ran piece on DIII football and reasons why colleges add/have the programs.  Pat was the go to resource for the article...

http://deadspin.com/how-division-iii-colleges-profit-from-football-no-one-w-1440369611 (http://deadspin.com/how-division-iii-colleges-profit-from-football-no-one-w-1440369611)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AO on October 03, 2013, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: HopeVet on October 01, 2013, 11:21:41 AM
If this takes, and I don't get too much negative karma, I may even talk about the mustard and ketchup containers at DeVos on the basketball board.
I hear they're pretty bad.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs.mlkshk.com%2Fr%2F9UTP&hash=e4d56ad24409d8319aca7853db5bf751be7a37c6)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2013, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: AO on October 03, 2013, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: HopeVet on October 01, 2013, 11:21:41 AM
If this takes, and I don't get too much negative karma, I may even talk about the mustard and ketchup containers at DeVos on the basketball board.
I hear they're pretty bad.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs.mlkshk.com%2Fr%2F9UTP&hash=e4d56ad24409d8319aca7853db5bf751be7a37c6)

That is disgusting! ::) ;D :D ;) :)  Hot dogs are good, but messy one's not so fun!  I ate a hot dog at Hope's last home game during halftime and it squirted (exploded juice) all over my pants! :P ::) But...the hot dog did taste good! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2013, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(

Disgustingly hilarious!!! :o ;D ;) :)  Thanks sac for a good chuckle!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 04, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AO on October 04, 2013, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 04, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.
I believe I found one of the pictures:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2F05ddevosconstruct145.jpg&hash=d1a934c96f39212bbf00b06760cef80c404fa8f5)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 04, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: AO on October 04, 2013, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 04, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.
I believe I found one of the pictures:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2F05ddevosconstruct145.jpg&hash=d1a934c96f39212bbf00b06760cef80c404fa8f5)


majestic
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2013, 01:04:36 PM
AO:
Thanks for finding the photos!  Now I know "the rest of the story" that you and sac have been relating.  It just completed the "picture"!

Anyway, what are everyone's predictions for tomorrow's MIAA games?



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 04, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 04, 2013, 01:04:36 PM
AO:
Thanks for finding the photos!  Now I know "the rest of the story" that you and sac have been relating.  It just completed the "picture"!

Anyway, what are everyone's predictions for tomorrow's MIAA games?





formerd3db,

The MIAA Pickems thus far have Trine, Olivet and Hope as the predicted winners! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2013, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 04, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 04, 2013, 01:04:36 PM
AO:
Thanks for finding the photos!  Now I know "the rest of the story" that you and sac have been relating.  It just completed the "picture"!

Anyway, what are everyone's predictions for tomorrow's MIAA games?





formerd3db,

The MIAA Pickems thus far have Trine, Olivet and Hope as the predicted winners! :)

Raider68:

Good to hear from you.  I would have to agree with that.  However, while I obviously am confident and hope we beat Adrian, I believe it will still be a tough and probably close game, even thought it is at our home stadium and also it being our Homecoming.  I assume your Mount will not have a problem!   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2013, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: sac on October 04, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: AO on October 04, 2013, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 04, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.
I believe I found one of the pictures:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2F05ddevosconstruct145.jpg&hash=d1a934c96f39212bbf00b06760cef80c404fa8f5)


majestic

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F013%2F003%2Fdead-horse.gif&hash=ff75bcb4b681d0c60737da03c765e32ed52c93e7)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
Has the MIAA given much thought to adding a football affiliate member (ala WisLu) to ease the conference schedule?  Or are they crossing their fingers that Calvin will finally add football soon?

And no, I have no idea who they could get for an affiliate even if they wanted to go that route.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2013, 06:04:48 PM
Here's the MIAA's options, Chuck. Seems kinda self-explanatory as to why they'll probably stick with seven football members. (http://www.d3football.com/conf/IND/2013/standings)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2013, 06:14:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2013, 06:04:48 PM
Here's the MIAA's options, Chuck. Seems kinda self-explanatory as to why they'll probably stick with seven football members. (http://www.d3football.com/conf/IND/2013/standings)

Geographically, Maranatha Baptist would work pretty well - and it would give Alma (and usually Olivet) someone they can beat! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2013, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2013, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: sac on October 04, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: AO on October 04, 2013, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 04, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.
I believe I found one of the pictures:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2F05ddevosconstruct145.jpg&hash=d1a934c96f39212bbf00b06760cef80c404fa8f5)


majestic

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F013%2F003%2Fdead-horse.gif&hash=ff75bcb4b681d0c60737da03c765e32ed52c93e7)

Gregory:

Thanks for the image/engraving of "beating a dead horse"!  I love it.  I've been looking for one of those for a long time.

I think we get your message, although the thought has crossed my mind that perhaps you sent it because you have experienced those containers before at some point, if you've ever been up to DeVos! ::) :o ;D ;)  Just kidding. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2013, 07:13:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2013, 06:14:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2013, 06:04:48 PM
Here's the MIAA's options, Chuck. Seems kinda self-explanatory as to why they'll probably stick with seven football members. (http://www.d3football.com/conf/IND/2013/standings)

Geographically, Maranatha Baptist would work pretty well - and it would give Alma (and usually Olivet) someone they can beat! ;D

Gregory and Ypsi:

Well, that is a decent potential choice.  Although one could make the argument that Finlandia might be an option as well despite the travel distance that would be involved since that school is in our Upper Peninsula.  However, Northern Michigan and Michigan Tech do it and it also would be comparable to that for Maranatha (Hope has played the latter before in football).

I also agree about them being potential win for Olivet, particularly this year, although not so sure about Alma! ;D ;)  As far as Calvin adding football, I have very recently talked with some sources who know and despite there having been a much more positive attitude toward that last year or so when they had the new exploratory committee, it appears that is "dead in the water" right now for the next couple of years at the very least, if ever.  IMO, that is too bad, but we've had much interesting conversation about this in past years here on this board and others.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Greg, just thought of another possibility - Chicago.  Being an affiliate member of the MIAA would seem to make much more sense than being an affiliate member of the SAA.  Though I admit I have no idea how locked in to the SAA they may be.  (And being a member of the UAA, obviously geography is not of much concern to them! ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
formerd3db, Maranatha went winless 3 of their 5 years in the NathCon, for heaven's sake!  I think Alma could take 'em! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2013, 07:39:46 PM
For the next couple of years, the MIAA and NACC are dealing with the mutual seven-team status by playing a crossover game midseason on each team's conference bye week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 04, 2013, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2013, 07:39:46 PM
For the next couple of years, the MIAA and NACC are dealing with the mutual seven-team status by playing a crossover game midseason on each team's conference bye week.

Ah, that solves the scheduling problem for both conferences, but where does it leave poor Maranatha Baptist?  Their entire 'conference season' schedule this year is playing NACC teams who used to be conference rivals.  I wonder if they will be able to survive as a d3 football independent.  While they were not competitive even in the weak NathCon, they may regret their decision to drop out (or were they pushed?).  (I'm unfamiliar with the details - are they an independent only in football, or did they leave the NathCon entirely?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2013, 11:26:36 PM
They were pushed out of the conference altogether.

I only know of one school playing MBBC in football next year: Wash U. Nobody in the NACC is playing them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 05, 2013, 01:30:40 AM
Chicago wouldn't play anyone in the MIAA, too short of a flight. :P


To my knowledge Finlandia is still hoping to roll out football in 2014.  That was contingent on completing renovations to their field.  I don't think that has happened yet.

I really have no idea how Finlandia's recruiting pitch goes but they have 7 kids from California on the soccer team with NJ, TX, MD, SC, NM and British Columbia also represented.  On the basketball team 5 kids from Florida and California along with Detroit and suburban Detroit kids.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 05, 2013, 10:17:35 AM
Mr. Ypsi, Pat, Sac:

Interesting discussion.  As Mr. Ypsi initiated this, I would just add that I either missed or don't understand your question about "easing the conference schedule".  To my knowledge, our league has no problems with how it is now.  The MIAA had the 6 playing football teams for years, before they had to add an affiliate i.e. Defiance College to obtain the AQ7.  Then, of course, when Defiance left to joint the HCAC (which was a better fit for them), Wisconsin Lutheran came in as you know.  Trine came in when WLC decided to join their current league (i.e. the revised current league), in part, due to the travel distance, although they still play MIAA teams in non-conference as we all know, which is a lot less expensive as opposed to having the additional expenses for more games traveling to MI.  Recall that Trine had to go through the transition from NAIA scholarship to NCAA DIII provisional status process to full membership.

So I don't think we are looking for another team to add; no real reason at this time to do so, other than if Calvin ever decided to add football and when a team like Finlandia will need to join a conference (their other consideration is joining the Wisconsin league of like schools, Wis Lutheran, Lakeland, etc.) since the travel distance would be essentially the same as it is in playing the MIAA schools.

Also, the MIAA schools, like all the other conferences for the most part, have kept their travel non-conference games to within a reasonable travel distance, obviously to keep the costs down.  Traveling to the Chicago area and mid-Illinois, anywhere in Indiana or Ohio is not a problem.  Alma had a rather long travel game a couple of years ago when they went to Bethany, WVa and in the mid-1990's they went to Georgia and also Drake, but the days of those long trips are pretty much long gone.

U of Chicago has played Kalamazoo in football in recent years (of course, they have played Kazoo, Hope in bb), as they consider Kazoo in "like philosophy" as some have said ;), however, I do not see them ever joining the MIAA as a football affiliate.

As far as Maranatha Baptist, Pat, do you see them possibly having to drop the football program in view of their current state? (kind of like Blackburn ended up doing?)

Back to Finlandia- it is amazing that they can draw from those other states regarding soccer as Mr. Ypsi has mentioned.  They have come a long way since being the former Soumoi College ;D ;) in adding their athletic programs, including hockey. The latter which is another reason why I've said if they can do that, then Hope and Calvin need to make their hockey programs official "varsity" like Adrian has, although, obviously there are other factors involved with that i.e. Title IX, but it could be done (for Hope, the $ is not really a problem).  Regarding their football program, I thought their goal was for 2014 or 2015 and renovations to their field were approved and in the works (they already have turf as I recall).

Anyway, sorry for the rambling post here, although just talking in general.  I guess I digressed a bit as the original discussion and inquiry was the "ease of scheduling" for the MIAA.  Again, I am not aware of that as being a current problem or concern of the MIAA coaching staffs/the conference (if you were talking about the "bye" situation, they all like that as it provides an additional week for healing of the minor injuries of those "banged up" and also a rest/regrouping period).  Your further thoughts?, gentlemen.




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2013, 10:46:21 AM
I haven't heard anything about Maranatha dropping football. Even though they're not particularly good at the sport, they take a lot of pride in the program and work hard and have a lot of alumni involvement. It would be significantly difficult to put together even a nine-game schedule, though, from schools such as Trinity Bible, Kentucky Christian, perhaps Presentation. Maybe they can pick up one MIAA school and a Heartland school here and there.

I haven't heard a thing about Finlandia football in over a year. If they don't have a coach they are not playing in 2014. They wouldn't be able to schedule anyone. They were originally planning to play in 2012. You need almost two years' lead time to hire a coach, recruit and schedule football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2013, 09:50:50 AM
Pat, thanks for the additional information.  It is good to hear they are not in the "mindset" of Swarthemore of a few years ago.  They will just have to endure a tough period like Macalaster did a few years ago, but it can be done.

To our MIAA posters/colleagues:

An very interesting day yesterday for the league.  Olivet wins a close one and is now 5-0, with that first win still eluding poor Alma.  And Kazoo knocking off Trine- wow!  Adrian is a good team, but Hope self-destructed with the offense just not being able to get it done. The running game was fine, but the passing game failed yesterday and...unfortunately, we went back to the nemesis of 2-3 and 4 years ago of giving up the long bomb TD pass and long passes.  Ouch!  So it will be interesting to see what plays out from here for the league for all the teams.

The Northwestern/Ohio State game-Northwestern is good, but just couldn't quite hold on.  Ohio State was impressive.  However, while this did not actually cost Northwestern the game, the officiating was terrible-simply terrible.  And it is nauseating listening to biased announcers (Herbstreet and Musburger).  Oh well.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 06, 2013, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 06, 2013, 09:50:50 AM
Pat, thanks for the additional information.  It is good to hear they are not in the "mindset" of Swarthemore of a few years ago.  They will just have to endure a tough period like Macalaster did a few years ago, but it can be done.

To our MIAA posters/colleagues:

An very interesting day yesterday for the league.  Olivet wins a close one and is now 5-0, with that first win still eluding poor Alma.  And Kazoo knocking off Trine- wow!  Adrian is a good team, but Hope self-destructed with the offense just not being able to get it done. The running game was fine, but the passing game failed yesterday and...unfortunately, we went back to the nemesis of 2-3 and 4 years ago of giving up the long bomb TD pass and long passes.  Ouch!  So it will be interesting to see what plays out from here for the league for all the teams.

The Northwestern/Ohio State game-Northwestern is good, but just couldn't quite hold on.  Ohio State was impressive.  However, while this did not actually cost Northwestern the game, the officiating was terrible-simply terrible.  And it is nauseating listening to biased announcers (Herbstreet and Musburger).  Oh well.
I agree with you on the announcer-especially Musburger-too much of a homer! As for Northwestern, they seem to fimd a way to lose.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on October 06, 2013, 12:54:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 06, 2013, 09:50:50 AM
To our MIAA posters/colleagues:
An very interesting day yesterday for the league.  Olivet wins a close one and is now 5-0, with that first win still eluding poor Alma.  And Kazoo knocking off Trine- wow!  Adrian is a good team, but Hope self-destructed with the offense just not being able to get it done. The running game was fine, but the passing game failed yesterday and...unfortunately, we went back to the nemesis of 2-3 and 4 years ago of giving up the long bomb TD pass and long passes.  Ouch!  So it will be interesting to see what plays out from here for the league for all the teams.

I checked with interest the MIAA results yesterday and was surprised by the circumstances if not the scores:

a) How did Adrian hold Hope's Atwell to four completions? That is almost inconceivable. I noticed on the play-by-play there were a host of "QB hurry by . . ." Did Adrian sell out on blitzing to get QB pressure at the expense of the rushing attack? Lots of dropped passes? Makes no sense.

b) Kalamazoo over Trine. Does this put Kalamazoo in the early conversation for the conference title?

c) Olivet over Alma. Is Alma snakebit or what. First they lose after blowing a 4th quarter lead last week, and then this week. . . yikes.
      Please explain: With about 4 minutes to play and Alma up 4, the Scots had a 4th and 2 from Olivet's 33. There was then a 5 yard illegal procedure penalty on Alma. Were they going for it on 4th down? (I'm assuming they were.) After the penalty they decide to punt, and the resulting yardage has the ball going back four yards from the line of scrimmage. Bad snap to the punt that the punter had to retrieve and then got off a rushed punt that didn't go anywhere?
     So then Alma makes a play which would put Olivet in a 4th and 5 just over midfield with about a minute left and they proceed to . . . get a late-hit 15 yard penalty to keep the drive alive. Olivet goes on to score a TD with 47 seconds left. Gulp.
     To their credit, Alma got a decent return off a short kickoff after Olivet's TD (and missed extra point!) and managed get into position to hit a long field goal to tie the game at the horn, but then had a "dropped pass" on 4th down on their possession in overtime.
Tough luck for the Scots.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
NCF:
I agree with you also.  Northwestern is a very good team, but they do need to somehow find a way to finish a game when they have a lead.  "Getting over that hump" is not easy.  I kind of compare them to Michigan's teams that historically have had a tendency to do that i.e. late in games when they have a slim lead and all they have to do is get some first downs to keep the drive going and run out the time.  One aspect I noticed, however, is that Northwestern needs to do a better job on their pass coverage.  They either blew coverage schemes or their coordinator had it wrong because aside from their RB, that is how Ohio State beat them because Northwestern kept leaving a receiver wide open with no one covering them.  If they had rectified that problem, I think Northwestern would have won that game.

Also, I'll just go out on a limb here and say it...I am not an Ohio State fan, nor an Urban Meyer fan at all.  Most here, know that I am a Michigan fan, but putting that particular bias aside, I can't stand Ohio State's antics.  Their players are trash talkers and self/individual promotors,  much of that was evident in last night's game.  Also everyone knows that "character" is not one of the requirements in Meyer's recruiting criteria at all.  He is in the category of Saban, Miles, and Kelly in my book. ::) :o ;D  Okay, enough of that bashing for now. ::) ;)

As far as Hope's game, yes, unfortunately Atwell did not have a good game at all yesterday.  While he was hurried often, still he just was not accurate, had very weak throws on many occasions, although some of the blame goes to the receiving core also as there were dropped passes and they were not running good routes.  It wasn't, however, that Adrian's secondary was that good, IMO; they aren't bad, but Hope's passing game had it been on the level it was for the first 3 games, the game would have not turned out the way it did.  Of course, the long-bomb TD Adrian had was a "back breaker". 

Kazoo, at least for now, is indeed in the mix for the title.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2013, 07:17:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 04, 2013, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2013, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: sac on October 04, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: AO on October 04, 2013, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 04, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.
I believe I found one of the pictures:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2F05ddevosconstruct145.jpg&hash=d1a934c96f39212bbf00b06760cef80c404fa8f5)


majestic

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F013%2F003%2Fdead-horse.gif&hash=ff75bcb4b681d0c60737da03c765e32ed52c93e7)

Gregory:

Thanks for the image/engraving of "beating a dead horse"!  I love it.  I've been looking for one of those for a long time.

I think we get your message, although the thought has crossed my mind that perhaps you sent it because you have experienced those containers before at some point, if you've ever been up to DeVos! ::) :o ;D ;)  Just kidding. :)

No, this particular gif, like the ketchup-and-mustard picture, has been a staple of the MIAA basketball room for ages.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2013, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2013, 07:17:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 04, 2013, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2013, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: sac on October 04, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: AO on October 04, 2013, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 04, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
AO is clearly not familiar with the long running and now 8 year old joke about DeVos' ketchup and mustard dispensers, the cadillac of all ketchup and mustard dispensers.  A posting of photos on the college website of the grand opening celebration showed the ketchup and mustard dispensers arrogantly posing along the concourse.


I'm sorry to say I believe those photos have been lost to website upgrades. :'(

It is, truly sad that those photos are gone.  They were the sources of such a good long series of jokes, and could be counted on to show up at just the right time whenever tensions in the room got too high.  I'll admit that after seeing AO's post I spent a good deal of time trying to find those photos somewhere.  Alas, I eventually had to give up.
I believe I found one of the pictures:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2F05ddevosconstruct145.jpg&hash=d1a934c96f39212bbf00b06760cef80c404fa8f5)


majestic

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F013%2F003%2Fdead-horse.gif&hash=ff75bcb4b681d0c60737da03c765e32ed52c93e7)

Gregory:

Thanks for the image/engraving of "beating a dead horse"!  I love it.  I've been looking for one of those for a long time.

I think we get your message, although the thought has crossed my mind that perhaps you sent it because you have experienced those containers before at some point, if you've ever been up to DeVos! ::) :o ;D ;)  Just kidding. :)

No, this particular gif, like the ketchup-and-mustard picture, has been a staple of the MIAA basketball room for ages.

Got it! :)  BTW, congrats on NPU win.  A good feeling for them  I'm sure.  Now, if they can build on it - just like Olivet. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 07, 2013, 12:56:19 PM
formerd3db,

Tough loss on Saturday, what are your thoughts on the upcoming game against surprising
Olivet? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 07, 2013, 12:56:19 PM
formerd3db,

Tough loss on Saturday, what are your thoughts on the upcoming game against surprising
Olivet? :-\

Good to hear from you.  Indeed, it was a tough loss and also since it was Homecoming. :(  Yet, as always after a loss like that, we need to re-group and try to stay positive.  I do not mean this as disrespectful to Olivet, however, up until now, I've kind of had a difficult time trying to convince myself they are really good. ::).  Some people would make the argument that they hadn't played any upper tier teams, although some could say the same thing about Hope prior to our playing Adrian, with the exception of our having played Illinois Wesleyan.

However, now that Olivet is 5-0, I believe they are the "real deal".  Any team that goes 5-0 at the start of the season has to be.  While sometimes that is a result of a "little luck" (think U of Michigan and some other DI's ::) ;)), still starting out like that is not always a fluke.  Of course, we all know that there is always the possibility of a melt-down or implosion in the second half of the season, which any team has to be on guard for and Olivet will have to do the same.

Anyway, Hope always has a tough time playing down at Olivet, even when the latter has not been good.  So, Hope will have to get their offense back to what we did in the first two and one half games.  Defense has been good, except for reverting back to our old problem of 3-4 and 5 years ago of giving up those two long TD passes.  I think we have a chance to end Olivet's streak if we "are there" i.e. back to how we started out, however, if Olivet strikes quick, early and comes out "blasting", it could be a very tough task and game.  I remain confident, however, that we (Hope) will bounce back.  Of course, Olivet is thinking otherwise and that they don't want to "burst their own bubble". ;D ;)

Your Mount Union is steadily and quietly rolling along.  Hopefully, we'll all have good weather for Saturday's games.  I do not like October rain for football, but, then again, who doesn't? ??? :)

Y 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2013, 04:24:36 PM
I'd stop well short of saying Olivet is the real deal. Here's their wins again, this time with the Kickoff preseason ranking attached:

Overall record: 5-0 - Conference: 1-0
9/7    at No. 142 Wilmington •    W, 48-27   
9/14    vs. No. 90 Wisconsin Lutheran •    W, 14-10   
9/21    vs. No. 227 Rockford •    W, 34-7   
9/28    at No. 161 North Park •    W, 14-10   
10/5    at No. 210 Alma * •    W, 20-13   

Olivet certainly has outperformed the 192 ranking it started the season with but Wisconsin Lutheran (0-4) is the only true surprise here -- and also a surprise that WLC is 0-4.

However, Olivet is well on the road to recovery and that's good for the program and the conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on October 07, 2013, 04:52:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2013, 04:24:36 PM
I'd stop well short of saying Olivet is the real deal. Here's their wins again, this time with the Kickoff preseason ranking attached:

Overall record: 5-0 - Conference: 1-0
9/7    at No. 142 Wilmington •    W, 48-27   
9/14    vs. No. 90 Wisconsin Lutheran •    W, 14-10   
9/21    vs. No. 227 Rockford •    W, 34-7   
9/28    at No. 161 North Park •    W, 14-10   
10/5    at No. 210 Alma * •    W, 20-13   

Olivet certainly has outperformed the 192 ranking it started the season with but Wisconsin Lutheran (0-4) is the only true surprise here -- and also a surprise that WLC is 0-4.

However, Olivet is well on the road to recovery and that's good for the program and the conference.

I'm surprised that WLC is sitting at 0-4 here as well. Outside of the Hope game they could have easily been at least 2-2 or 3-1.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2013, 05:27:13 PM
Pat:

I understand where you are coming from for sure, indeed, the competition as you have shown was...not upper tier as I mentioned.  Nonetheless, I'm saying that Olivet is still "the real deal" for us this week and until proven otherwise. ;) (i.e. no thinking that they are going to be an automatic win, even if a tough game, like we've had a tendency to do historically in past years when Hope was much better team than we have been in recent years). I totally agree with you that Olivet is on the road to recovery and that is good all the way around as you stated. As we all know and I also mentioned, the key for them is to try and prevent the "implosion" scenario. :-\ ;) 

Anyway, IMO, in the overall scheme, anyone who goes 5-0 initially is obviously not to be taken lightly.  A reverse scenario example, just for discussion and comparison, is what happened back in 2006 when Hope lost their first 3 games and came back to run the table.  There were some who said Hope was not the "real deal" then, but they persevered to win the title and AQ, until we got blasted by Mount Union in the first round and "the train came off the tracks ;D!

I and others were surprised at Kazoo beating Trine this weekend.  Yet, like Olivet, the real tests will come in the next 2-3 weeks to see how they all play out against league competition.  Hope could have beaten Adrian, however, obviously did not deserve to win because of poor play.  I and some of my Hope former teammates were discussing the 3 weeks that, at least then, we thought the difference in Hope's team this year from the last couple of years, was the ability to come back and score after the other team did and/or a turnover.  They did that and seemed to be markedly improved until the last 2 weeks, reverting to not being able to "bounce back and score when they needed to".   Anyway, the MIAA always gets crazy at this time of year.  It will be interesting to see "who blasts who" and "knocks who" out of the race!     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2013, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on October 07, 2013, 04:52:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2013, 04:24:36 PM
I'd stop well short of saying Olivet is the real deal. Here's their wins again, this time with the Kickoff preseason ranking attached:

Overall record: 5-0 - Conference: 1-0
9/7    at No. 142 Wilmington •    W, 48-27   
9/14    vs. No. 90 Wisconsin Lutheran •    W, 14-10   
9/21    vs. No. 227 Rockford •    W, 34-7   
9/28    at No. 161 North Park •    W, 14-10   
10/5    at No. 210 Alma * •    W, 20-13   

Olivet certainly has outperformed the 192 ranking it started the season with but Wisconsin Lutheran (0-4) is the only true surprise here -- and also a surprise that WLC is 0-4.

However, Olivet is well on the road to recovery and that's good for the program and the conference.

I'm surprised that WLC is sitting at 0-4 here as well. Outside of the Hope game they could have easily been at least 2-2 or 3-1.

Yes, kind of like what I was talking about when Hope went opened the season winless in the first games 2006.  Sometimes, it is just a matter of a "play here or there".  Look at Olivet's win against Alma this past weekend.  If they make the PAT, they win in regulation even if Alma makes the FG as they did.  Now, do I think Alma is as good as Olivet?  I do not, but as we all know, sometimes the unexpected happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2013, 11:32:11 PM
Okay, what are you predictions for this weekend, friends? Here are mine:

Hope @ Olivet - I pick Hope, of course, although as I said, it is always tough for us down at Olivet's stadium/field.

Alma @ Adrian- obviously Adrian.

Trine @ Albion-have to go with Albion after Trine's performance last weekend vs. Kazoo and also since this one is at Albion.

Kalamazoo, of course, has their "bye" weekend this Saturday.

P.S. As you can see, I'm taking the cheap way out and not predicting any scores, only the winners.  Our league is too crazy and unpredictable to try predicting scores, although I guess that just gives me another excuse to support why I'm a terrible gambler and also not a betting man! ;D ::) :o ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2013, 01:27:55 AM
Pat:

Obviously, it is still early in the process, however, what do you think the chances are for the IMG (Florida) bid being accepted by the NCAA as the location for the Stagg Bowl when the current contract with Salem, VA is done as noted in the newspaper article link on your front web page of this site?  Does Salem still want to keep the Stagg Bowl there?

Florida sounds great, however, as I recall, one of the problems they had when it was held down there before was the attendance factor.  Yet, looking at those figures, it wasn't all that bad in comparison to some of the lower attendance years at Salem or was it?  Just curious as to your thoughts as you are obviously much closer to this and "in the know" than most of us.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 11, 2013, 04:54:06 AM
Massey doesn't give Alma much of a chance Saturday, predicting a 30-0 Adrian win with 100% chance of Adrian victory.

picks Hope over Olivet 20-7 85% chance

picks Albion over Trine 24-21  56%
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2013, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 11, 2013, 01:27:55 AM
Pat:

Obviously, it is still early in the process, however, what do you think the chances are for the IMG (Florida) bid being accepted by the NCAA as the location for the Stagg Bowl when the current contract with Salem, VA is done as noted in the newspaper article link on your front web page of this site?  Does Salem still want to keep the Stagg Bowl there?

Florida sounds great, however, as I recall, one of the problems they had when it was held down there before was the attendance factor.  Yet, looking at those figures, it wasn't all that bad in comparison to some of the lower attendance years at Salem or was it?  Just curious as to your thoughts as you are obviously much closer to this and "in the know" than most of us.

I'd say the chance of the Florida bid being accepted (fully admitting I have not read it) are slim and none. The NCAA isn't going to add to the expense of the playoff brackets in this economic climate and they won't take a championship away from a host that has done it for 20 years and wants to keep doing it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2013, 01:00:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2013, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 11, 2013, 01:27:55 AM
Pat:

Obviously, it is still early in the process, however, what do you think the chances are for the IMG (Florida) bid being accepted by the NCAA as the location for the Stagg Bowl when the current contract with Salem, VA is done as noted in the newspaper article link on your front web page of this site?  Does Salem still want to keep the Stagg Bowl there?

Florida sounds great, however, as I recall, one of the problems they had when it was held down there before was the attendance factor.  Yet, looking at those figures, it wasn't all that bad in comparison to some of the lower attendance years at Salem or was it?  Just curious as to your thoughts as you are obviously much closer to this and "in the know" than most of us.

I'd say the chance of the Florida bid being accepted (fully admitting I have not read it) are slim and none. The NCAA isn't going to add to the expense of the playoff brackets in this economic climate and they won't take a championship away from a host that has done it for 20 years and wants to keep doing it.

I agree with you on all aspects-cost and the wonderful service/dedication of the current Salem administrators are the factors.  The Salem folks have gone out of their way to do everything possible to make it a great venue and it is.  So it would be essentially a "slap in the face", IMO, and just not make sense, even though Florida is a nice location. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2013, 07:18:46 PM
Absolutely gorgeous day for college football today.  Hope bursts Olivet's "5-0 bubble" with a solid and convincing 47-14 win.  Hope's QB Atwell was back to his top form today and the offense played like they did in the first 3 wins.  Had they done that the last two weeks, we would be undefeated. Olivet is not a bad team and while I know there will be some who say "I told you so" because their wins had come against not so good teams and some close wins, nonetheless, their offense just could not get anything going.  IMO, I compared that exact situation as to what Hope's offense did in our two losses.

At any rate, it was a sun-drenched day and Olivet had an excellent crowd of 3785 for their Homecoming even though they lost.  It was pretty neat to see all the seats filled in the stadium, their band in the stands, all the people tailgaiting before and after the game, the old buildings and old sorority and fraternity houses on campus all decked out for their Alumni.  A great college football atmosphere.

As to the other MIAA games, Albion had a nice Homecoming crowd of 4164 listed in their win against Trine today, just a few miles from the Olivet/Hope game.  Same weather.  Adrian is beating Alma at Adrian; halftime score listed as 27-0 so far.

So as sac mentioned a earlier in the week, it will be interesting to see how the MIAA "scrum" plays out in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 12, 2013, 07:35:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 12, 2013, 07:18:46 PM
Absolutely gorgeous day for college football today.  Hope bursts Olivet's "5-0 bubble" with a solid and convincing 47-14 win.  Hope's QB Atwell was back to his top form today and the offense played like they did in the first 3 wins.  Had they done that the last two weeks, we would be undefeated. Olivet is not a bad team and while I know there will be some who say "I told you so" because their wins had come against not so good teams and some close wins, nonetheless, their offense just could not get anything going.  IMO, I compared that exact situation as to what Hope's offense did in our two losses.

At any rate, it was a sun-drenched day and Olivet had an excellent crowd of 3785 for their Homecoming even though they lost.  It was pretty neat to see all the seats filled in the stadium, their band in the stands, all the people tailgaiting before and after the game, the old buildings and old sorority and fraternity houses on campus all decked out for their Alumni.  A great college football atmosphere.

As to the other MIAA games, Albion had a nice Homecoming crowd of 4164 listed in their win against Trine today, just a few miles from the Olivet/Hope game.  Same weather.  Adrian is beating Alma at Adrian; halftime score listed as 27-0 so far.

So as sac mentioned a earlier in the week, it will be interesting to see how the MIAA "scrum" plays out in the next couple of weeks.
Congrats to Hope!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on October 12, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
formerd3db, it was nice seeing you at the game today. I know it was for only a few minutes, but as usual, I got caught up doing many things.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2013, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on October 12, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
formerd3db, it was nice seeing you at the game today. I know it was for only a few minutes, but as usual, I got caught up doing many things.

No problem, my friend.  I know you are very busy on game days, nonetheless, yes, it was good to see you and visit even if only for a few minutes.  Take care and good luck to your Olivet the rest of the season.  Talk to you again in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2013, 11:03:01 PM
Regarding the attendance topic:

What's going on at Adrian?  They are 5-1 and favored to win the MIAA title.  Yet their home attendance today was only just over 1400.  Previous home games were just over 1200 and 2990.  One would assume that more fans would be in the stadium. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on October 12, 2013, 11:57:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 12, 2013, 11:03:01 PM
Regarding the attendance topic:

What's going on at Adrian?  They are 5-1 and favored to win the MIAA title.  Yet their home attendance today was only just over 1400.  Previous home games were just over 1200 and 2990.  One would assume that more fans would be in the stadium. 

I was wondering the same thing, I was watching the livestream today and it looked empty. There was even a team alumni day with three former AC head coaches and various event. Was it mid-semester break?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2013, 09:32:46 AM
waxx:

Having 3 former head coaches back on an Alumni Day and low attendance is very disappointing (it sounds like there were not very many former players back for that either).  As you mentioned, perhaps it was the annual fall break for students, however, if it was, IMO, that is not the weekend game to schedule such a special occasion.  Maybe some of our other Adrian posters can provide us with further info.

BTW, welcome to the board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on October 13, 2013, 11:43:39 AM
good win for hope over olivet
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2013, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: hope1 on October 13, 2013, 11:43:39 AM
good win for hope over olivet

Indeed, it was.  A great confidence booster attitude wise to get back to where they started at the beginning of the season.  However, as optimistic as we all are going to continue to be, at the same time, it is never a good situation when you lose to your co-champion if Hope ends up sharing the title with Adrian because you obviously would not get the AQ due to the "1st tie-breaker" which is the head-to-head result.

So clearly, the mission (and "must") for Hope is to win-out the remaining games and Hope (sorry for the pun ;D) that Adrian loses twice, thereby giving Hope the AQ over whoever they might share the title with-unless, of course, it somehow works out that Hope wins it outright.  Unfortunately, the chances of the latter are not likely.  IMO, there will be two teams with one-loss in league games at the end.  That said, we "push on" from here! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2013, 10:25:40 PM
If you're not already following it, check out the Tigers/Red Sox broadcast.  A night after Detroit held Boston (the most productive offensive team in MLB this year) to ONE hit, Max Scherzer has NO hit them thru 5. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2013, 12:20:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2013, 10:25:40 PM
If you're not already following it, check out the Tigers/Red Sox broadcast.  A night after Detroit held Boston (the most productive offensive team in MLB this year) to ONE hit, Max Scherzer has NO hit them thru 5. ;D

They blew it big time, losing 6-5.  I am really disgusted. ::) :P  :-X  Right now, I think they will implode just like they did last year in the World Series.  Their hitting is doing good, but just when you think their pitching will be okay, results like this game occur.  Even though they have the 3 good starters, I think the pitching will be the downfall again.  Obviously, it is still early and this series now comes to Detroit where the home fan advantage is huge, just like in Boston, but I am skeptical at this point. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2013, 12:16:07 PM
Leyland should have left Max in, regardless of pitch count.  He had good stuff and was not letting up in the seventh. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 14, 2013, 12:28:26 PM
Scherzer doesn't have great stamina, has yet to record a complete game in his career.  He only threw over 120 pitches twice all season and only threw into the 8th 7 times, 6 of them in April and May.

Its MLB, your bullpen should be able to lockdown a 4 run lead with 6 outs to go.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 14, 2013, 04:35:43 PM
Quote from: sac on October 14, 2013, 12:28:26 PM
Scherzer doesn't have great stamina, has yet to record a complete game in his career.  He only threw over 120 pitches twice all season and only threw into the 8th 7 times, 6 of them in April and May.

Its MLB, your bullpen should be able to lockdown a 4 run lead with 6 outs to go.

I agree about the bullpen, but this is the playoffs and our bullpen has not been that good all year.  Ride the starters as long as possible. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2013, 05:05:48 PM
Interesting discussion friends i.e. about the Tigers.

Anyway, hey dc_has_been...how do you think the new status/rebuilding process is going (if I may call it that) at your Defiance has been for football so far?  Do you think the staff will remain in place for a while as opposed to some of those guys taking off for "elsewhere" and/or "climbing the coaching ladder"?  Hope you are doing well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on October 15, 2013, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 14, 2013, 05:05:48 PM
Interesting discussion friends i.e. about the Tigers.

Anyway, hey dc_has_been...how do you think the new status/rebuilding process is going (if I may call it that) at your Defiance has been for football so far?  Do you think the staff will remain in place for a while as opposed to some of those guys taking off for "elsewhere" and/or "climbing the coaching ladder"?  Hope you are doing well.
Former-doing well and hope the same for you! 
For DC, with adding field turf, a field house, and a push for higher enrollment, I'm hoping this entices at least the HC/OC and DC to stay awhile.  IMO, things are looking up because the President really wants to give a facelift to DC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 16, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
Adrian's moved up to #47 on massey's ratings.  Highest for an MIAA team in recent years?  Can't remember.

Massey likes
Adrian 24-14 over Trine, 79%
Albion 34-31 over Kzoo, 57%   
Hope 34-7 over Alma 98%

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 17, 2013, 01:41:08 PM
Quote from: sac on October 16, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
Adrian's moved up to #47 on massey's ratings.  Highest for an MIAA team in recent years?  Can't remember.

Massey likes
Adrian 24-14 over Trine, 79%
Albion 34-31 over Kzoo, 57%   
Hope 34-7 over Alma 98%

Okay, so if Kazoo upsets Albion, do you think people are going to give them more attention i.e. be taken more seriously as an actual contender? ??? ::) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 17, 2013, 03:20:06 PM
It would make Kzoo's next two games more interesting if they won Saturday.


Oct 26  at Hope
Nov 2   Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 17, 2013, 07:48:29 PM
Indeed.  It would still be a tough task for them.  But, we can say that about Hope as well. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
Hey Pat:

Are you kidding me? :D ;) :)  I just saw your comments on the Daily Dose about the Swarthemore Debacle and that earlier travesty in the 1980's!  Yes, indeed, you, me and many others can still be upset over that debacle!  While I followed that sad chapter back in 2000 along with you and others (wow, I can't believe that was some 13 years ago and when you had just started i.e. the early days of your d3.football site here), it appears the seeds for that ridiculous happening were planted many years before then. ::) Interesting bit of history, for sure.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 19, 2013, 09:23:45 PM
I drove down to Kzoo today for the Hornets-Britons game.  It was a good win for Albion, but unfortunately the officials had too much attention focused on themselves.  There were some questionable calls -- against both teams -- and some bad no-calls as well.  It was an  example of poor officiating in the MIAA.

Albion came prepared ... executed well, and their soph QB was much better than the Hornets' soph QB.  Kzoo seemed to play a somewhat lackluster game.  The Britons definitely will have a say in who wins the MIAA title, especially ending the season with back-to-back games on the road against Adrian and Hope.  As Arte Johnson was so well known for saying .... "very interesting."

On a happier note for me, Dubuque beat #21 ranked Coe 38-14.  The Spartans are tied for first place in the IIAC with Wartburg. 
They play each other next week at Dubuque.  I still hope someday for a playoff match-up between MIAA and IIAC teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 21, 2013, 07:45:08 PM
This has to be the quietest year for posting here on the MIAA board that I can recall.  Where is everyone-at least some of our previous regulars?  I was just curious as to if this is because of some apathy regarding our conference or perhaps life is just little busier for for everyone regarding more important issues.

sflzman:

Haven't heard from you for a while.  I hope you are doing well.  Missed seeing you on Saturday, although I should have emailed you last week well in advance to set up at time to chat for at least a few minutes at halftime or after the game.  My apologies.  Any insight you have as to why Alma is struggling terribly this year?  I realize attendance was down due to being winless so far and also that it was Alma's fall break with many students being gone from campus.  However, it also seemed to me that there was just no enthusiasm among the team players and including the coaching staff.  Very puzzling and sad, IMO.

BTW, your Minnesota pulled a good one this past weekend - very surprising.  I think deep down that Coach Kill will make the decision to step down at the end of this season, unless they can really get his medication squared around and under control.  It is a shame, but health has to come first and that job (or any job at that level) is extremely stressful as we all know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 21, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 21, 2013, 07:45:08 PM
This has to be the quietest year for posting here on the MIAA board that I can recall.  Where is everyone-at least some of our previous regulars?  I was just curious as to if this is because of some apathy regarding our conference or perhaps life is just little busier for for everyone regarding more important issues.

sflzman:

Haven't heard from you for a while.  I hope you are doing well.  Missed seeing you on Saturday, although I should have emailed you last week well in advance to set up at time to chat for at least a few minutes at halftime or after the game.  My apologies.  Any insight you have as to why Alma is struggling terribly this year?  I realize attendance was down due to being winless so far and also that it was Alma's fall break with many students being gone from campus.  However, it also seemed to me that there was just no enthusiasm among the team players and including the coaching staff.  Very puzzling and sad, IMO.

BTW, your Minnesota pulled a good one this past weekend - very surprising.  I think deep down that Coach Kill will make the decision to step down at the end of this season, unless they can really get his medication squared around and under control.  It is a shame, but health has to come first and that job (or any job at that level) is extremely stressful as we all know.

formerd3db,

I agree, many of the boards are quiet. This one more than most, and I know I have not posted as
often as I once did, but I am back again!

For the MIAA conference race, it will boil down to two teams. IMHO, it will be either Hope (your alma mater)
or Adrian. I just do not think Olivet  will hold up in the last 4 conference games, but you never know.
It will be good to see another MIAA team in the playoffs this year.

Hope you are well! What are your thoughts? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 21, 2013, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 21, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 21, 2013, 07:45:08 PM
This has to be the quietest year for posting here on the MIAA board that I can recall.  Where is everyone-at least some of our previous regulars?  I was just curious as to if this is because of some apathy regarding our conference or perhaps life is just little busier for for everyone regarding more important issues.

sflzman:

Haven't heard from you for a while.  I hope you are doing well.  Missed seeing you on Saturday, although I should have emailed you last week well in advance to set up at time to chat for at least a few minutes at halftime or after the game.  My apologies.  Any insight you have as to why Alma is struggling terribly this year?  I realize attendance was down due to being winless so far and also that it was Alma's fall break with many students being gone from campus.  However, it also seemed to me that there was just no enthusiasm among the team players and including the coaching staff.  Very puzzling and sad, IMO.

BTW, your Minnesota pulled a good one this past weekend - very surprising.  I think deep down that Coach Kill will make the decision to step down at the end of this season, unless they can really get his medication squared around and under control.  It is a shame, but health has to come first and that job (or any job at that level) is extremely stressful as we all know.

formerd3db,

I agree, many of the boards are quiet. This one more than most, and I know I have not posted as
often as I once did, but I am back again!

For the MIAA conference race, it will boil down to two teams. IMHO, it will be either Hope (your alma mater)
or Adrian. I just do not think Olivet  will hold up in the last 4 conference games, but you never know.
It will be good to see another MIAA team in the playoffs this year.

Hope you are well! What are your thoughts? :)
Completely agree on the quiet boards. The CCIW board is very quiet this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 21, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
Raider68 and NCF:

Good to hear from you both.  Thanks for posting here! :)

As far as the MIAA race, right now it is obviously Adrian's to lose or, uh...I mean win! ;)  I think we (Hope) have a very good chance at a co-championship, however, as I mentioned before in some recent posts, I think it will be tough for Adrian to lose to two teams in order for us to gain the AQ.  However,...such happenings have, at times, happened in our league races over the years.

Of course, Mount Union will win the OAC, Raider68.  Yet, what is your prediction NCF as to who will win the CCIW among those top 3 teams?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
It's a pretty good guess that NCF will say NCC! ;D  Alas, I fear that is probably correct. :(  I think the Titans will beat Wheaton this week, but even with home field advantage, NCC is gonna be an uphill battle the following week.  Of course, Wheaton handily beat NCC last year, but I just can't see it happening again this time.  (I will pick the Titans over Wheaton in both the CCIW and MIAA pick-ems; not sure I've got the guts to pick 'em over NCC, but we'll see!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 21, 2013, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 21, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
Raider68 and NCF:

Good to hear from you both.  Thanks for posting here! :)

As far as the MIAA race, right now it is obviously Adrian's to lose or, uh...I mean win! ;)  I think we (Hope) have a very good chance at a co-championship, however, as I mentioned before in some recent posts, I think it will be tough for Adrian to lose to two teams in order for us to gain the AQ.  However,...such happenings have, at times, happened in our league races over the years.

Of course, Mount Union will win the OAC, Raider68.  Yet, what is your prediction NCF as to who will win the CCIW among those top 3 teams?

formerd3db,

The Raiders this year are not a lock to win the OAC, the final 3 games will be like the playoffs this
year just to see who wins the conference. I have just posted on the OAC board who has the toughest tests to overcome.

In the event that the Raiders win the OAC, there is a good chance they will see NC at some point
depending on the brackets. NCF is coming to Alliance on 11-16-13 to see Mount Union and the
John Carroll game and I am looking forward to meeting her and sitting with us!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2013, 11:24:29 PM
Saturday needs to come quickly - I've got a serious case of 'Tigers withdrawal'! :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on October 22, 2013, 06:32:19 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
It's a pretty good guess that NCF will say NCC! ;D  Alas, I fear that is probably correct. :(  I think the Titans will beat Wheaton this week, but even with home field advantage, NCC is gonna be an uphill battle the following week.  Of course, Wheaton handily beat NCC last year, but I just can't see it happening again this time.  (I will pick the Titans over Wheaton in both the CCIW and MIAA pick-ems; not sure I've got the guts to pick 'em over NCC, but we'll see!)
I might pick NC over both, but the confidence pick for each of the "big three" will only be a 1. I don't think Wheaton wants to stay home again this post season-so anything's possible. Raider68, looking forward to meeting you and visiting the campus as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 22, 2013, 10:03:25 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 21, 2013, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 21, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
Raider68 and NCF:

Good to hear from you both.  Thanks for posting here! :)

As far as the MIAA race, right now it is obviously Adrian's to lose or, uh...I mean win! ;)  I think we (Hope) have a very good chance at a co-championship, however, as I mentioned before in some recent posts, I think it will be tough for Adrian to lose to two teams in order for us to gain the AQ.  However,...such happenings have, at times, happened in our league races over the years.

Of course, Mount Union will win the OAC, Raider68.  Yet, what is your prediction NCF as to who will win the CCIW among those top 3 teams?

formerd3db,

The Raiders this year are not a lock to win the OAC, the final 3 games will be like the playoffs this
year just to see who wins the conference. I have just posted on the OAC board who has the toughest tests to overcome.

In the event that the Raiders win the OAC, there is a good chance they will see NC at some point
depending on the brackets. NCF is coming to Alliance on 11-16-13 to see Mount Union and the
John Carroll game and I am looking forward to meeting her and sitting with us!

Uh oh!  I've read this story before.  Spoiler: it turns out really, really well (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcBUq27_FJc).   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2013, 05:04:42 PM
Well, we're getting ready for tomorrow night's home game against Kalamazoo College.  Night games are always a different fun experience, however, tomorrow will be cold so for anyone going, make sure you dress accordingly for the occasion.  I just hope it doesn't rain as that will make it worse.

While I expect Kazoo to give a better game than in previous years as they are certainly improved, I also expect us (Hope) to win.  Being 6-2 at that point will not be bad, although I will admit that I, along with all our other "Hopeites" are hoping/rooting for two Adrian losses between now and at the end of the day Nov 16th (provided we "win out", course! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gobrits on October 26, 2013, 08:06:31 PM
Stunning results:

Olivet upsets Adrian 21-17 on TD pass with 19 seconds left; Albion hangs on to beat Alma 28-24, withstanding a ton of special teams mistakes.

Brits now the only team remaining unbeaten in MIAA play, but they have to play the three one-loss teams in the next three weeks. That won't be easy.
Adrian, Hope, Olivet (0-10 last year) have one loss each in the conference. That assumes Hope stays ahead of Kazoo tonight. Hope leads 17-0 in second quarter. Looks like a wild and wide-open finish in the MIAA.

Go Brits!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 26, 2013, 09:10:04 PM
Quote from: GoBrits on October 26, 2013, 08:06:31 PM
Stunning results:

Olivet upsets Adrian 21-17 on TD pass with 19 seconds left; Albion hangs on to beat Alma 28-24, withstanding a ton of special teams mistakes.

Brits now the only team remaining unbeaten in MIAA play, but they have to play the three one-loss teams in the next three weeks. That won't be easy.
Adrian, Hope, Olivet (0-10 last year) have one loss each in the conference. That assumes Hope stays ahead of Kazoo tonight. Hope leads 17-0 in second quarter. Looks like a wild and wide-open finish in the MIAA.

Go Brits!

Just looked at the schedule, you guys might not find out who is conference champion until week 11.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 27, 2013, 09:35:36 AM
GoBrits and D3MAFAN:

This is nothing new for the MIAA as this type of scenario has happened often over the years.  Which is why they MIAA, despite being down in strength comparative on the national level the past decade plus, remains so exciting.

Hope didn't have a stellar game last evening, however, we did what was needed to get the "W" and that's what counts!  A great evening game, nice crowd and the rain stayed away; crisp night, mild wind, which died down but only after officials had to cancel the planned post-game fireworks due to high winds earlier. Anyway, Kazoo is much improved to what they have been in the past 3-4 years, however, their offense floundered much at times, their rising star QB seemed erratic at times, yet much of that was due to Hope's defensive line rush and pressure.  Hope's offense came through when needed, yet will have to play better if we are to win the title, assuming (hoping, of course ;D) that Adrian loses another game and we win out. 

It will be a challenging task, but not impossible.  We play Trine at their home stadium and while they have been struggling, it is always a tough time playing there and Albion will be a more than formidable opponent as they always are when we play them even though we have them at our home stadium in the season final.  Yet, as you both have mentioned, it should be a very exciting finish.  Each team pretty much has their destiny in their own hands in one way or another.  GO HOPE! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 27, 2013, 04:37:53 PM
I also forgot to mention (how could I forget? a dumb mistake ::) :P)) that Head Coach Dean Kreps recorded his 100th win at Hope with the victory against Kalamazoo College last evening (and with Hope retaining the Wooden Shoes Trophy), joining an elite group of former MIAA head coaches, Hope's Ray Smith and Alma's Jim Cole in that category.  Congratulations to Coach Kreps!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 27, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 27, 2013, 09:35:36 AM
GoBrits and D3MAFAN:

This is nothing new for the MIAA as this type of scenario has happened often over the years.  Which is why they MIAA, despite being down in strength comparative on the national level the past decade plus, remains so exciting.

Hope didn't have a stellar game last evening, however, we did what was needed to get the "W" and that's what counts!  A great evening game, nice crowd and the rain stayed away; crisp night, mild wind, which died down but only after officials had to cancel the planned post-game fireworks due to high winds earlier. Anyway, Kazoo is much improved to what they have been in the past 3-4 years, however, their offense floundered much at times, their rising star QB seemed erratic at times, yet much of that was due to Hope's defensive line rush and pressure.  Hope's offense came through when needed, yet will have to play better if we are to win the title, assuming (hoping, of course ;D) that Adrian loses another game and we win out. 

It will be a challenging task, but not impossible.  We play Trine at their home stadium and while they have been struggling, it is always a tough time playing there and Albion will be a more than formidable opponent as they always are when we play them even though we have them at our home stadium in the season final.  Yet, as you both have mentioned, it should be a very exciting finish.  Each team pretty much has their destiny in their own hands in one way or another.  GO HOPE! :)

formerd3db,

It looks like a real dog fight for the conference title. With 3 games left, who has the advantage,
how much is playing at home worth, and could their be a tie? If a tie, the the non-conference record
has an impact! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 27, 2013, 11:13:32 PM
Raider68:

That is a tough question.  At this point, IMO, I don't think any team has a "lock" on it.  Normally, playing at one's home stadium is the advantage, however, from my/our experience in the MIAA, that isn't always necessarily the case, for example, Albion plays at our place in the last game of the season.  Obviously, Hope has to win out to have any chance for a tie of the title and one more loss by Adrian..

Albion plays @ Adrian on 11/9, which is our (Hope's) "bye" weekend.  Albion has been playing well of late, even though having smaller winning margins, but at this point, the score margin in a win obviously doesn't matter. Adrian plays @ Kalamazoo and the latter did beat Trine at Kazoos home, and Kazoo only lost to us by 10 last night (with us having a later TD), so them beating Adrian is not a far-fetched idea either.  Hope plays @ Trine this weekend and even though Trine has been on the skids, that will not be an easy game for us.

So...after all that confusing commentary ::) :), if we do not beat Trine this weekend, we are out and then I would say that the "title" game will most likely be Albion@Adrian.  If we win this weekend and Adrian loses to Albion, then the title game would be 11/16 @ Hope (I think I got all that correct?).  Right now, I'd have to give Albion and Hope as being the slight edge as favorites.

But...as you and others have mentioned here, it seems like it is going to be a wild finish and go down to the wire- unless, someone just simply blows it!!!!! :-X  Also, I know you mentioned your Mount not having "a lock" on the OAC, but, I personally don't think they will have a problem winning it this year!  They seem to be on a roll as some of your Mount colleagues have said today also.

I hope things are going well for you and yours.  Talk to you later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 29, 2013, 11:10:19 AM
Another wild weekend in the MIAA.
Every year seems to be very competitive, with the league title coming down to the last weekend
I see no different this year.
Glad to see the numbers of players staying high on most teams.Tough financial times for many people.
A DIII education is a blessing yet can be prohibitive for many.

The next 2 weeks will be exciting, weather will be an issue with an untimely fumble changing a games outcome.

HS playoffs, College in the meat of the conference play, great football time of the year.
Man even the Lions might make the playoffs, health will be an issue WR's dropping like flies.
How many more "throw it up there" and let Calvin go get it passes can we get?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2013, 03:24:23 PM
D306:

Good to see your post here-it has been awhile since you have visited us here!  Hope you are doing well.  Indeed, as you mention, it appears to be coming down to another exciting MIAA football finish.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2013, 03:25:33 PM
Uncle Rico:

Any chance you and yours will be at the Hope@Trine game this Saturday?  If so, it would be great to visit with you.  Let me know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2013, 03:27:20 PM
Hey Pat:

Very nice upgrade on your front page format!  Like with you last change a few years ago, it took me a while to get used to navigating around it, however, it is fine.  Excellent job and thanks as always for all you do for us with this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 31, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
D3DB

I keep an eye on MIAA, GLIAC etc... from a distance as I no longer coach or live in MI. Like to follow my former players or schools guys.
Back in town for the UofM VS MSU game, hope to be dry and get out with a win. watching a few HS playoff games this weekend as well.

Glad to see the upgrades on the D3 site.

Let's hope that the MIAA comes down to the Albion VS. Hope game traditional long time members going at it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 30, 2013, 03:25:33 PM
Uncle Rico:

Any chance you and yours will be at the Hope@Trine game this Saturday?  If so, it would be great to visit with you.  Let me know.

I would like to go to the game, but I will be hunting this weekend in the Clare area.  Trying to catch up for all those years watching my son play on Fridays and Saturdays.  Hope was one of my favorite venues to visit in the MIAA, and I would like to see the changes.  I hope you are doing well, and it is good to hear from you.  Even though I do not post that much any more, I still follow the teams.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2013, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: D306 on October 31, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
D3DB

I keep an eye on MIAA, GLIAC etc... from a distance as I no longer coach or live in MI. Like to follow my former players or schools guys.
Back in town for the UofM VS MSU game, hope to be dry and get out with a win. watching a few HS playoff games this weekend as well.

Glad to see the upgrades on the D3 site.

Let's hope that the MIAA comes down to the Albion VS. Hope game traditional long time members going at it.

I thought I remembered that you were no longer residing in the state.  Nonetheless, glad you have the chance to go to the U of Mich/Michigan State game and, yes, let's hope it stays dry for that one as well as our MIAA games.  I also agree with you that it would be great to see it come down to Albion/Hope for the title in the last game!  Have a great time on your visit back here and we'll look forward to your occasional posts here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2013, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 30, 2013, 03:25:33 PM
Uncle Rico:

Any chance you and yours will be at the Hope@Trine game this Saturday?  If so, it would be great to visit with you.  Let me know.

I would like to go to the game, but I will be hunting this weekend in the Clare area.  Trying to catch up for all those years watching my son play on Fridays and Saturdays.  Hope was one of my favorite venues to visit in the MIAA, and I would like to see the changes.  I hope you are doing well, and it is good to hear from you.  Even though I do not post that much any more, I still follow the teams.

Uncle Rico:

Totally understand.  For sure, there comes a time when "it is just time to do that".   I'm surviving, thanks for asking.  Also, like D306, we do enjoy you guys posting on occasion even though it is not as much as you used to for obvious reasons as you mentioned.  Anyway, have a fun time hunting but also...stay safe.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 01, 2013, 05:08:59 PM
The MIAA Pickems have these teams winning on Saturday, are they correct? :-\

Albion

Hope

Adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2013, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 01, 2013, 05:08:59 PM
The MIAA Pickems have these teams winning on Saturday, are they correct? :-\

Albion

Hope

Adrian

Raider68:

I think that is probably what will happen.  On the other hand, I wouldn't be overly surprised if Kalamazoo and Olivet pulled out a win (again).  As far as your Mount Union, do they face a somewhat increased challenge since the game is at the 'Berg's place?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 01, 2013, 10:21:06 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 01, 2013, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 01, 2013, 05:08:59 PM
The MIAA Pickems have these teams winning on Saturday, are they correct? :-\

Albion

Hope

Adrian

Raider68:

I think that is probably what will happen.  On the other hand, I wouldn't be overly surprised if Kalamazoo and Olivet pulled out a win (again).  As far as your Mount Union, do they face a somewhat increased challenge since the game is at the 'Berg's place?

formerd3db,

In my last post on the OAC Boards, l listed questions for the game. IMHO, the key to this game will
be defense, since both teams average over 50 points per game. They have each played the same
6 conference games, but Mount Union played a very solid playoff team in Franklin. That said, it could
that playoff experience that gives the Raiders the edge come 4th quarter. Heidelberg has C. Brooks
who is one of the best in D3 against K. Burke All-America QB who can run and throw well. I do not
think playing away hurts Mount Union, since they have not lost a conference away game since
1991. Many times they play even better away.

The weather could be a factor and that will help Heidelberg. but we will see. There are some great
games on Saturday so it will be a key day for many teams. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 02, 2013, 05:02:41 PM
Todd Blackledge gave Hope another shout out during the broadcast of the Michigan-MSU game!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 02, 2013, 07:06:33 PM
Albion 42, Olivet 28
Hope 35, Trine 7
Kalamazoo 14, Adrian 10

This means regardless of the Albion/Adrian outcome the MIAA Championship will be decided the final game of the season when Albion travels to Hope.

A win next week for Albion @ Adrian would clinch at least a share of the title.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2013, 07:13:17 PM
ExTartanPlayer:
Well, that is very neat.  I missed it as I was driving back from our game at Trine and listening to the U of Mich/Mich State game on the radio.  What happened to C-M today?  BTW, Michigan was just plain terrible today; horrible blocking and horrible secondary play; D.G at QB was a non-factor, and was part of the difference for Michigan as some sports announcers had predicted.

MIAA thoughts:

1)Well, a wild day as some predicted in the MIAA today. First, as I mentioned, I wasn't going to be overly surprised if Kalamazoo beat Adrian, although I kind of expected Adrian to rebound from their Olivet loss last week and win this one.  It was a great win for Kalamazoo and while they are not a great team, they are vastly improved.  They just didn't play that well against Hope; just like Hope was not in its top form against IWU and Adrian.  But, with the Kazoo win, that was a big boost for Hope's chances at the AQ.  One final note...announced crowd of 637 at Kazoo is pathetic.  They have that nice new stadium and get that kind of attendance.   Seems it is even getting less than before-not good.

2) Albion gets it together and pulls it out over Olivet.  For a while, we thought they might lose this one as Olivet was ahead from the reports we heard.  However, now, all they have to do is beat Adrian next week and the showdown will be between them and Hope on the final Saturday Nov 16th for the AQ.

3)  Hope completely dominated Trine today.  Offense was in high mode and the defense, with the exception of the opening five play scoring drive by Trine with a TD pass, played extremely well a great pass rush and pressure, also blocking FG tries and the defensive secondary settled down and had Trine's receivers covered very well.  The rain held off, it was very comfortable for football and Trine had a nice crowd there for their Senior day.  They really have a nice stadium; only drawback is the long walk for the visiting team to the locker room at the basketball arena/indoor lacrosse and soccer stadium building.  Campus is a nice blend of new and retained historic buildings, and preserved historic town with nice modern development.  Trine will have to rebuild-they are probably like Hope was during the 3-7 years we had in comparison.

So with those developments, it appears Hope has it's own destiny in hand.  A share of the title is on deck and the AQ with a win.  Having our "bye" next week will be very helpful for some rest and allowing a few of the players who are slightly "banged up" to recover.  So we won't have anyone to blame but ourselves if we lose to Albion at our home stadium, but...that is always a tough game no matter where it is played. ;) 

Also, for next weekend's game, I'd have to say Albion has the edge for beating Adrian, but don't count out the latter.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2013, 07:28:09 PM
"announced crowd of 637 is pathetic" - agree.

I'll give them a partial pass, since they were up against UM/MSU.  But ONLY a partial pass - even a die-hard Wolverine fan like me (mostly) skipped the UM/MSU game to watch IWU/NCC for the CCIW title! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on November 02, 2013, 09:10:00 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 02, 2013, 07:13:17 PM
ExTartanPlayer:
Well, that is very neat.  I missed it as I was driving back from our game at Trine and listening to the U of Mich/Mich State game on the radio.  What happened to C-M today?  BTW, Michigan was just plain terrible today; horrible blocking and horrible secondary play; D.G at QB was a non-factor, and was part of the difference for Michigan as some sports announcers had predicted.

MIAA thoughts:

1)Well, a wild day as some predicted in the MIAA today. First, as I mentioned, I wasn't going to be overly surprised if Kalamazoo beat Adrian, although I kind of expected Adrian to rebound from their Olivet loss last week and win this one.  It was a great win for Kalamazoo and while they are not a great team, they are vastly improved.  They just didn't play that well against Hope; just like Hope was not in its top form against IWU and Adrian.  But, with the Kazoo win, that was a big boost for Hope's chances at the AQ.  One final note...announced crowd of 637 at Kazoo is pathetic.  They have that nice new stadium and get that kind of attendance.   Seems it is even getting less than before-not good.

2) Albion gets it together and pulls it out over Olivet.  For a while, we thought they might lose this one as Olivet was ahead from the reports we heard.  However, now, all they have to do is beat Adrian next week and the showdown will be between them and Hope on the final Saturday Nov 16th for the AQ.

3)  Hope completely dominated Trine today.  Offense was in high mode and the defense, with the exception of the opening five play scoring drive by Trine with a TD pass, played extremely well a great pass rush and pressure, also blocking FG tries and the defensive secondary settled down and had Trine's receivers covered very well.  The rain held off, it was very comfortable for football and Trine had a nice crowd there for their Senior day.  They really have a nice stadium; only drawback is the long walk for the visiting team to the locker room at the basketball arena/indoor lacrosse and soccer stadium building.  Campus is a nice blend of new and retained historic buildings, and preserved historic town with nice modern development.  Trine will have to rebuild-they are probably like Hope was during the 3-7 years we had in comparison.

So with those developments, it appears Hope has it's own destiny in hand.  A share of the title is on deck and the AQ with a win.  Having our "bye" next week will be very helpful for some rest and allowing a few of the players who are slightly "banged up" to recover.  So we won't have anyone to blame but ourselves if we lose to Albion at our home stadium, but...that is always a tough game no matter where it is played. ;) 

Also, for next weekend's game, I'd have to say Albion has the edge for beating Adrian, but don't count out the latter.
Congrats former on the Hope victory! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 02, 2013, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 02, 2013, 07:13:17 PM
1)Well, a wild day as some predicted in the MIAA today. First, as I mentioned, I wasn't going to be overly surprised if Kalamazoo beat Adrian, although I kind of expected Adrian to rebound from their Olivet loss last week and win this one.  It was a great win for Kalamazoo and while they are not a great team, they are vastly improved.  They just didn't play that well against Hope; just like Hope was not in its top form against IWU and Adrian.  But, with the Kazoo win, that was a big boost for Hope's chances at the AQ.  One final note...announced crowd of 637 at Kazoo is pathetic.  They have that nice new stadium and get that kind of attendance.   Seems it is even getting less than before-not good.

I was at the Kzoo game today (it was the geographically closest D3 game to me) and the count of 637 is inadequate.  I don't know how KC figures attendance, but since both football and soccer fans come through the same gate, there had to be more than that #.  Additionally, I think fans went back and forth between the two games until toward the end of the football game when the outcome was still in doubt and the stands were full.

Nevertheless, the Hornet's defense was stellar today ... and Adrian wasn't so bad either.  Kzoo used a different QB today (Aaron McGuire, JR, Parchment ... I don't know if Danzy was injured) and played a good game overall.  I wonder if the Hornets discovered something about themselves in the second half last week against Hope?  This was a focused, determined team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2013, 08:20:46 AM
Mr. Ypsi:

Agree with you.  Also, sorry your IWU's perfect season and probable CCIW title was "busted" yesterday.  Yet, it sounds like it was a tough battle despite the score.  They are still having a great season and perhaps may get an at-large bid if they tie for the title?  Also,

I don't want to talk about the U of Mich/Michigan State game.  Being a Michigan fan, obviously I'm disgusted with Michigan's play yesterday.  Michigan State is a good team and deserved the win all the way.  But, I still think Ohio State is the best team in that leage so far.  BTW, Northwestern lost another game yesterday, but only on a Hail Mary by Nebraska with no time left.  Northwestern's season is going down the drain.  They might not become bowl eligible. And finally, Eastern Michigan was getting bludgeoned last night.  Do you think this will be Ron English's last season there?

NCF:
Thank you.  It is a good feeling to be in control of one's fate now, although that makes our 3 point loss to Adrian (and the 7 point loss to IWU) sting a little more!  And likewise, congrats on your NCC's win yesterday against Mr. Ypsi's alma mater.  As we all know, one team has to lose (i.e. see Michigan/Michigan State comments above. ;))

DBQB1965:
Great you take in a regional game like that.  I agree with you that if the stands were full (even at one point of the game), there is no way the attendance is not more than 637 - it has to be.  As you mentioned, I thought Kalamazoo was a vastly improved team this year from what you and I saw when they played Hope last week.  They just didn't have a good overall performance for that particular game, just like Hope's offense was flat [ter] against IWU and Adrian.  At this point in the season and seeing our last 3 games, I truly believe that if Hope's offense had been clicking as they have in all of our wins (regardless of who we've played), they would have won those two games.  But...obviously, it doesn't matter.  The situation is now at hand and Albion is the challenge to get a share of the MIAA title and thus, the NCAA automatic bid.  I just hope the weather will be good for that Nov 16th game.  October's 3 weeks of rain was not fun, although we have lucked out the past 3 games with rain holding off during the actual playing of the games! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCF on November 03, 2013, 08:45:18 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 03, 2013, 08:20:46 AM
Mr. Ypsi:

Agree with you.  Also, sorry your IWU's perfect season and probable CCIW title was "busted" yesterday.  Yet, it sounds like it was a tough battle despite the score.  They are still having a great season and perhaps may get an at-large bid if they tie for the title?  Also,

I don't want to talk about the U of Mich/Michigan State game.  Being a Michigan fan, obviously I'm disgusted with Michigan's play yesterday.  Michigan State is a good team and deserved the win all the way.  But, I still think Ohio State is the best team in that leage so far.  BTW, Northwestern lost another game yesterday, but only on a Hail Mary by Nebraska with no time left.  Northwestern's season is going down the drain.  They might not become bowl eligible. And finally, Eastern Michigan was getting bludgeoned last night.  Do you think this will be Ron English's last season there?

NCF:
Thank you.  It is a good feeling to be in control of one's fate now, although that makes our 3 point loss to Adrian (and the 7 point loss to IWU) sting a little more!  And likewise, congrats on your NCC's win yesterday against Mr. Ypsi's alma mater.  As we all know, one team has to lose (i.e. see Michigan/Michigan State comments above. ;))

DBQB1965:
Great you take in a regional game like that.  I agree with you that if the stands were full (even at one point of the game), there is no way the attendance is not more than 637 - it has to be.  As you mentioned, I thought Kalamazoo was a vastly improved team this year from what you and I saw when they played Hope last week.  They just didn't have a good overall performance for that particular game, just like Hope's offense was flat [ter] against IWU and Adrian.  At this point in the season and seeing our last 3 games, I truly believe that if Hope's offense had been clicking as they have in all of our wins (regardless of who we've played), they would have won those two games.  But...obviously, it doesn't matter.  The situation is now at hand and Albion is the challenge to get a share of the MIAA title and thus, the NCAA automatic bid.  I just hope the weather will be good for that Nov 16th game.  October's 3 weeks of rain was not fun, although we have lucked out the past 3 games with rain holding off during the actual playing of the games! ;)
Former: Was shocked to get home and see Michigan being manhandled by MSU! Northwester just keeps finding ways to lose.What difference from last season. It is always better to be in control of one's destiny. After the IWU game, I learned two things: Hope was better than advertised and IWU was not what I thought they might be.That said, I think IWU will regroup and get to the 2nd round of the play-offs.I'm "Hoping" your team gets there as well. It will be interesting to see which teams stay in the North Region and who gets moved East or West.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 03, 2013, 01:28:07 PM
Well it was a great weekend back in MI.
Albion won to keep the dream alive and hopefully march to a showdown at Hope in the last week of the season.
My boys won their HS playoff games 3 different teams I follow / coached back in the day.

The bad news was UofM no real comment as a former player under Bo I apologize to the man the myth the legend and all UpfM fans. pitiful O-line play. Way to many underclassman on line. Thanks RR wish he recruited a lineman just once please. Oh well maybe adversity grows these young men for the next couple years as they become upperclassmen.
I commented early in year start Morris and use DG as a WR speed size, athletic miss match. The guy is not a QB no Pre-snap read, no pocket presence, just flat out does not take care of the ball.

OK no more whining on my part congrats to the Spartans certainly the better team and ready to play. Starting to get some offensive play will finish strong.

Starting the see a little more diversity of locations that players are coming from in the MIAA, I think this bodes well that the league will be more competitive in the coming years. The league must commit to higher level of players and hitting the schools from strong HS leagues. There is a a lot of talent out there looking for someone to show them some interest. Easier said than done with budgets.

Trying to be back in state at the end of season for Hope VS Albion, looking for a championship game of sorts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 03, 2013, 06:01:37 PM
If Kalamazoo can win its last two games against Alma and Olivet they would record 6 wins for the first time since 2003 and only the 2nd time since going 7-2 in 1993.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 04, 2013, 09:51:27 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 02, 2013, 07:13:17 PM
ExTartanPlayer:
Well, that is very neat.  I missed it as I was driving back from our game at Trine and listening to the U of Mich/Mich State game on the radio.  What happened to C-M today?  BTW, Michigan was just plain terrible today; horrible blocking and horrible secondary play; D.G at QB was a non-factor, and was part of the difference for Michigan as some sports announcers had predicted.

Tough one at CMU, posted my thoughts on UAA board.

Michigan State absolutely mauled Michigan, I watched most of that from my couch after walking home from the CMU game.  MSU's defense is very impressive.  I think they may be able to challenge Ohio State just on the strength of their defense.

The MIAA has certainly gotten fun this season, no?  Y'all may not be the strongest conference in the region, but it's certainly one of the most entertaining.  About five different teams harbored legitimate conference title hopes at various points this season.  Albion has two tough ones remaining.  Should be fun to watch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 05:59:15 PM
As our friend ExTartanPlayer from C-M has mentioned, the MIAA teams certainly have not lacked in putting on some entertaining contests this season in keeping with our "traditional" pattern over the years.  The finish should be exciting...hopefully (no pun intended).

Anyway, what are everyone's predictions for this weekend?  Here are mine, although, as usual, I'm having a hard time deciding ::) ;):

Alma  @ Kalamazoo  -  I have to go with Kalamazoo  as they have been playing steady and it is a home game for them, even though Alma has come so close in recent weeks to winning their first of the season.

Albion  @ Adrian - I'll pick Adrian as they are at home and I'm sure will be really focused on rebounding after two disappointing losses these past two weeks.  Am I correct in saying that if they win and then Hope beats Albion, they get the AQ, right? By virtue of having beat Hope and Albion, if Hope/Adrian/Albion are tri-champs i.e. all with 2 league losses?

Trine @ Olivet  - I'm picking Olivet[/color] as they, too, have returned to playing fairly steady after their loss to Hope, despite the loss to Albion.  Besides, it is at their home stadium/field and Trine just looked somewhat lackadaisical last Saturday against Hope.

Hope  has their "bye" this weekend, obviously.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 05, 2013, 06:00:37 PM
Not MIAA-related, but nice football story out of Olivet, MI:

http://elitedaily.com/news/world/can-learn-lot-middle-school-football-team-video/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
ExTartanPlayer:

What a true "high road" thing.  Wow, right here in our backyard and I somehow missed this story.  Thank you for posting it.  +k for you! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 05, 2013, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 05:59:15 PM
As our friend ExTartanPlayer from C-M has mentioned, the MIAA teams certainly have not lacked in putting on some entertaining contests this season in keeping with our "traditional" pattern over the years.  The finish should be exciting...hopefully (no pun intended).

Anyway, what are everyone's predictions for this weekend?  Here are mine, although, as usual, I'm having a hard time deciding ::) ;):

Alma  @ Kalamazoo  -  I have to go with Kalamazoo  as they have been playing steady and it is a home game for them, even though Alma has come so close in recent weeks to winning their first of the season.

Albion  @ Adrian - I'll pick Adrian as they are at home and I'm sure will be really focused on rebounding after two disappointing losses these past two weeks.  Am I correct in saying that if they win and then Hope beats Albion, they get the AQ, right? By virtue of having beat Hope and Albion, if Hope/Adrian/Albion are tri-champs i.e. all with 2 league losses?

Trine @ Olivet  - I'm picking Olivet[/color] as they, too, have returned to playing fairly steady after their loss to Hope, despite the loss to Albion.  Besides, it is at their home stadium/field and Trine just looked somewhat lackadaisical last Saturday against Hope.

Hope  has their "bye" this weekend, obviously.

Can't argue with your picks.  I'm thinking about driving down to Olivet for their game against the Thunder.  The linebackers coach for Olivet was head coach at U of Dubuque when I was teaching and chaplain there.  Haven't seen Maury since the early 70's (boy, how time flies), so it could be a surprising reunion for both of us.

Then next week ... I expect to be in Holland for what should be an outstanding contest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 05, 2013, 06:12:11 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
ExTartanPlayer:

What a true "high road" thing.  Wow, right here in our backyard and I somehow missed this story.  Thank you for posting it.  +k for you! :)

These sorts of things always get me.  The kid at the end tearing up, who clearly looks like he's one of the "popular" kids or stars of the team, just...wow, that is great stuff.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on November 05, 2013, 07:21:47 PM
Ex Tartan Player

OK I just sent a link of this to everyone I could think of.
Great story, nice example of the power of sports and what a  "team" can mean in the lives of families and communities.


+ on the karma for you young man
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAA in Exile on November 06, 2013, 10:29:01 AM


The AQ will be decided when Albion visits Hope and the Albion vs. Adrian game has no impact on that at all.  Hope is 4-1 with only one league game left, thus there cannot be a 3 way tie.  If Albion beats Adrian and loses to Hope, both will share the MIAA title, but Hope will advance to the playoffs.  If Albion loses to Adrian and beats Hope, they will be the only 5-1 team and will get the AQ.

Quote from: formerd3db on November 05, 2013, 05:59:15 PM

Albion  @ Adrian - I'll pick Adrian as they are at home and I'm sure will be really focused on rebounding after two disappointing losses these past two weeks.  Am I correct in saying that if they win and then Hope beats Albion, they get the AQ, right? By virtue of having beat Hope and Albion, if Hope/Adrian/Albion are tri-champs i.e. all with 2 league losses?

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 06, 2013, 02:30:14 PM
This article is a bit long, but is well worth reading ... a combination of so many of things we believe in.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9927669/nate-boyer-journey-actor-starting-long-snapper-texas
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2013, 05:13:39 PM
MIAA in Exile:

Thank you for the clarification.  After I posted that last evening, I kind of had a feeling that I miscalculated, however, did not go back to review it.  I guess Adrian kind of blew it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on November 07, 2013, 09:31:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2013, 05:13:39 PM
MIAA in Exile:

Thank you for the clarification.  After I posted that last evening, I kind of had a feeling that I miscalculated, however, did not go back to review it.  I guess Adrian kind of blew it.


Former...

Thought I would move our quick discussion back over here.  One of my boys graduated last year after playing for four years at Alma.  His last year was caught up in the coaching change.  They seem to have improved as this year has progressed, but not able to get over the hump for a win.  Wish them the best...but not really following them much anymore.

Had another boy playing at BW...but an injury has sidelined him for what looks like his short career there.

Hope that Hope can finish up strong.  I've always felt it's a program that struggles to live up to expectations.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2013, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on November 07, 2013, 09:31:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 06, 2013, 05:13:39 PM
MIAA in Exile:

Thank you for the clarification.  After I posted that last evening, I kind of had a feeling that I miscalculated, however, did not go back to review it.  I guess Adrian kind of blew it.


Former...

Thought I would move our quick discussion back over here.  One of my boys graduated last year after playing for four years at Alma.  His last year was caught up in the coaching change.  They seem to have improved as this year has progressed, but not able to get over the hump for a win.  Wish them the best...but not really following them much anymore.

Had another boy playing at BW...but an injury has sidelined him for what looks like his short career there.

Hope that Hope can finish up strong.  I've always felt it's a program that struggles to live up to expectations.

AlmaFan:

Glad you did i.e. move the discussion back over here! ;) Didn't want our OAC friends to give us the "jeer" for discussing MIAA topics over there!

Anyway, first, sorry to hear about your other son's injury.  That is always a tough situation for a young man to experience.  However, if he is not able to get back to finishing out his playing career, I would just encourage him to try and make a positive out of it - facing adversity, which will hopefully help him life's future situations.  If he is interested in a coaching/education career, obviously you and I have seen where players have successfully gone on to those when their playing careers have been cut short by an injury.  I wish him the best in the future regardless of whatever happens.

Second, I do recall from your past posts that you had a son playing at Alma (of course, also from your posting nickname ;)).  Being caught in the middle of a coaching change like that is also a tough situation of a different kind.  But, hopefully he had an good experience at Alma both athletically and academically (as my brother is a former player in baseball and football there and my former association there, I have a great affinity for the College and the people there, both current and former coaches/administrators).  Also, I agree on your take of this year's team.  When we played them, I also thought they looked improved, yet as you say, they have just had a tough time "getting over that hump" for a first win.  In that sense, I guess they can be compared to how Olivet was last season and this season. 

As far as Hope, for sure, the program has had a challenge in trying to keep up with expectations.  We have had the two titles in the past decade and each of those teams were good in their own "right", although as we all know, overall, the MIAA unfortunately is not the conference it was back some 20-30 years ago - much has changed on the DIII scene since then and particularly in our own Michigan and Great Lakes region.  There are a lot of varied theories/reasons for that which many of us have discussed several times on these boards, and that is just the reality of the situation.  The Hope, Albion (and sometimes Adrian and Alma) teams of the past back then certainly did have much more respect and could hold their own against many other DIII conference teams, of course, the magical 1994 Stagg Bowl National Championship year for Albion.

At the same time, however, and again with regard to Hope, Coach Kreps and his staff(s) have always done things the right way and he has always been able to get the best out of his players with the talent that presents each year, even during those recent tough 3-7 years (ouch :o ::) :D, although that obviously doesn't compare in one sense to a winless season like Olivet had last year and that Alma is potentially facing this year).  Anyway, I obviously agree with you in hoping that we can finish up strong this year!  It should be an exciting championship game next week, unless it turns into a blow-out by either team, which will then only be exciting to the winning team! ::) ;D ;)             
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2013, 08:11:54 PM
Saturday Evening Review Nov 9th:

First, to Mr. Ypsi (and our other MIAA posters, too):
Well, Ron English got the axe yesterday, not surprisingly other than for the main reason it happened.  It is a very unfortunate incident, however, I suspect that it was just the "straw" since I believe he probably would have been fired at the end of the season based on the record and the direction of the program.  At least that is what the AD Ms. Lyke implied in her released statement today.  Well-known Stan Parrish (former Head Coach at Wabash, Marshall, Kansas State, Ball State and stints as QB Coach at Michigan, Rutgers, Purdue and the NFL Tampa Bay Bucs and NAIA Siena Heights University in Adrian, MI last year), takes over as Interim Head Coach for the remainder of the season.  Of course, they went out today and won at home, beating Western Michigan in an emotional and close game, although only 2,100 in attendance.  Heck, our MIAA teams get more than that most of the time (except for today, in which the attendances were 612, 1905 and 1455 - chalk that up to the weather! ;D ::) :o).   Anyway, it will be interesting to see who Eastern Michigan chooses next.  Do you think Parrish will have a chance or even want it?  Former star U of Michigan RB Mike Hart and a former Adrian player are assistant coaches there also, although I suspect they'll be gone unless Parrish is chosen.  Your thoughts?

Second, interesting day in the MIAA.  Of course, the showdown is even more set for next week, now that Albion defeated Adrian today. Adrian sure imploded the last 3 weeks of the season, although again, they only beat Hope by 3 (yet, Hope did not deserve to win that game anyway with the particular day's performance). Nonetheless, I'm hoping for a huge crowd as is historically present for most MIAA championship games, good weather and, of course, a Hope victory.  Kazoo had a nice win at home again over winless Alma, however, again only 612 listed for attendance.  Trine wins a close one at Olivet, but again, the latter sure has had a very decent season compared to last year.  They'll be 6-4 at the least, but could be 7-3 if they win next week.

Another shake up I saw on the front page here is that Bluffton upset Franklin.  Kind of puts a "kink" into the HCAC's race a bit perhaps.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2013, 08:33:08 PM
I was a bit surprised they fired English during the season, since his contract was up at the end of the season anyway.  Seems a lot less messy to just not re-hire him in December.  I would certainly assume they would try to hire Stan Parrish, but have no clue whether he would want the job at the 'Graveyard of Coaches'.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2013, 10:17:34 PM
Just read the M-live article: didn't realize Parrish was 67, and only took the job at EMU as a favor to Ron English to try to save his job.  I'd say there is no way EMU can hire him as the next coach.

And who in his right mind would take the job??!!  I'm amazed that EMU is even still D1, since they haven't met the attendance requirement (without creative bookkeeping) in probably 20+ years. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 01:21:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2013, 08:33:08 PM
I was a bit surprised they fired English during the season, since his contract was up at the end of the season anyway.  Seems a lot less messy to just not re-hire him in December.  I would certainly assume they would try to hire Stan Parrish, but have no clue whether he would want the job at the 'Graveyard of Coaches'.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2013, 10:17:34 PM
Just read the M-live article: didn't realize Parrish was 67, and only took the job at EMU as a favor to Ron English to try to save his job.  I'd say there is no way EMU can hire him as the next coach.

And who in his right mind would take the job??!!  I'm amazed that EMU is even still D1, since they haven't met the attendance requirement (without creative bookkeeping) in probably 20+ years. ::)

Yes, I think it would have been better and more classier if they had just relieved him at the end of the season as you mentioned, and especially since his contract was up for renewal then (I wasn't aware of the latter until you mentioned it).  However, as I opined, once the video came to the "surface", it appears they had no chance.  In regards to that in general and as far as the rest of the NCAA is concerned, it sure makes one wonder how many other football coaches in DI and/or all the NCAA divisions would be fired if what some of them say in practice, in the locker rooms/team rooms after practice became public. :P :o  I believe there would be a lot of firings.

As far as Parrish, I tend to agree with you that possibly because of his age, they might not offer the position to him and as you also mentioned, perhaps he might not even want it.  I could see considerations either way i.e. they might figure that by having him do it for, say...a 3-year deal to try and "get the ship righted slightly" yet on the other hand, conventional wisdom (and the usual precedent anywhere) says they would want to start from scratch (again ::)) and give someone a 5-year deal to try their hand at it.  I think most of us agree that any coach anywhere really should be given i.e. needs at least 5 years to try and turn a program around - it simply takes that long at the very least.

Also, if Parrish was interested and they did consider offering it to him, I would think that he would want it simply because he realizes this being his "last hurrah" for a head coaching stint (again if he wanted that responsibility) and that would be an easy way to go out as opposed to putting all that energy into some other big-time program.  My though there being that the "outside" expectations (i.e. not those of the Eastern Michigan administrators, but rather the general public) are not as high as they would be at some other program simply because of Eastern's history/track record.  Yet, Parrish more likely would prefer to finish his career as an assistant as he has the last couple of years.  All that said, I think that most likely, the Eastern Michigan administrators will prefer to pick a new outside young coach.  But as you said, who really would want to go there other than some really really young coach who wants an early shot at the "big time", although EMU probably wouldn't hire someone like that.

And finally, you are right about the status in regards to the attendance at football games there (of course, you/I and others have discussed that here many times).  Their home attendance and particularly this year is simply sad.  As I mentioned, a great number of our MIAA games outdraw Eastern's.  Their players really only get a taste of the "big time" when they play at Michigan, Penn State, Army, etc., etc.  Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2013, 07:27:11 AM
Always fun when Albion/Hope means something, its been quite awhile since the last game meant this much between these two.  I think.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2013, 07:27:11 AM
Always fun when Albion/Hope means something, its been quite awhile since the last game meant this much between these two.  I think.

So you'll be there, right sac? (I hope you will be if Michigan is playing away. ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 04:51:04 PM
BTW, speaking of the Albion@Hope MIAA Championship game, I hope that you Albion supports will be there in force.  It is always great to see a huge crowd for the championship game, when it has occasionally come down to this scenario over the years.  Do you think there will be a very good Albion contingent there i.e. not just the usual "parents and friends"?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2013, 05:08:37 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2013, 07:27:11 AM
Always fun when Albion/Hope means something, its been quite awhile since the last game meant this much between these two.  I think.

So you'll be there, right sac? (I hope you will be if Michigan is playing away. ;))

Probably not, I'm going over Thursday to watch the basketball game at GVSU and my one football game next weekend might be at DeWitt :)


early forecast for Saturday is partly sunny, high near 50
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
sac:
We'll, you will miss a good MIAA football game, although I can understand making two trips over there within 3 days can be a bit much.

Speaking of Hope basketball, why is the game with GVSU just an exhibition?  Hope's game against Western a couple of years ago counted as a "real" game as did Albion's game against Eastern Michigan 2 days ago and the same for Manchester College of the HCAC against Central Michigan.  I have always found it somewhat ridiculous that Michigan State has in recent years decided their games against DII schools such as Northern Michigan and GVSU are going to be "exhibitions" (now Michigan is doing it also as did Indiana when it played Franklin College last year).  I realize that some of this is due to the # of games now allowed during the season by the NCAA and that some people aren't in favor of the DI teams playing the lower division teams at all.

However, my counter to that is, "so what and why not?" Nothing wrong with playing one game like that early in the season; IMO, it is the same as the football scenarios we've discussed (i.e. for the reasons in support of that, which I've mentioned before, but won't reiterate here, and, for that matter, similar in baseball, although it is obviously it is easier to do that in baseball and basketball i.e. the small colleges playing upper division teams on occasion.  I don't see a problem with it at the very beginning of the season and if a DI team is going to go ahead and say yes, we'll play a DII or DIII team just for one game, then count it and forget the "exhibition".  On the other hand, some people would compare that to the final pre-season college scrimmages that occur in football.  Besides, it can sometimes (although usually not) be interesting.  About 5-6 years ago (I don't recall the exact year, however, it was in this last decade) Wheaton College took Northwestern to the buzzer and "way back when", Adrian College was tied at the half with the University of Detroit during one of the latter's best years (they eventually got behind by 30 and lost by 10 as I recall when the reserve players were in for the "big guys").  But they had a "blast" playing the game and it was a good experience.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2013, 06:58:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
sac:
We'll, you will miss a good MIAA football game, although I can understand making two trips over there within 3 days can be a bit much.

Speaking of Hope basketball, why is the game with GVSU just an exhibition?

D3 teams aren't allowed to play games that count until Friday, November 15. Hope's game against Grand Valley State is on Thursday, one day earlier.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2013, 06:58:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
sac:
We'll, you will miss a good MIAA football game, although I can understand making two trips over there within 3 days can be a bit much.

Speaking of Hope basketball, why is the game with GVSU just an exhibition?

D3 teams aren't allowed to play games that count until Friday, November 15. Hope's game against Grand Valley State is on Thursday, one day earlier.

Its also an exhibition for GVSU.  If I recall correctly the GVSU game was added after Hope had already released its 2013-14 schedule.  So this is an add on game and GVSU's 26 game schedule was also probably full.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 10, 2013, 09:40:58 PM
formerd3db,

I will be rooting for your Alma mater this Saturday. It will be a real good game, as will
the Mount Union/ John Carroll game. Home field advantage helps for both of these contest!

Talk with you late in the week! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2013, 06:58:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
sac:
We'll, you will miss a good MIAA football game, although I can understand making two trips over there within 3 days can be a bit much.

Speaking of Hope basketball, why is the game with GVSU just an exhibition?

D3 teams aren't allowed to play games that count until Friday, November 15. Hope's game against Grand Valley State is on Thursday, one day earlier.

Gregory:

Thanks for the information.  I wasn't aware of that regarding DIII teams.  Friday was the official first (opening) day for NCAA DI basketball teams according to several of the announcers of the broadcasting teams that I/we had listened to some of the games on the radio.  I am assuming they meant that for "official games" and not exhibitions.  I was listening to the Central Michigan/Manchester game, however, the Central Michigan announcers for that game never once mentioned it was an exhibition throughout the entire broadcast, which I now think was somewhat strange.  They certainly had mentioned that some other games that were coming up for some other teams were exhibitions, yet did not make that reference to that particular game.  In fact, they kept saying that "Manchester will be returning to their regular DIII schedule on...such and such a date".

In checking Manchester's athletic website, their men's basketball schedule does in fact list it as being an exhibition game, however, Central Michigan's website does not list it as an exhibition, but rather a regular game.  Central Michigan also played DII Lake Superior State before Manchester and that game was listed as an exhibition..

However, in checking both Albion's and Eastern Michigan's athletic websites, Albion's game with Eastern Michigan is not listed as an exhibition.  In view of your information, these aspects appear strange, yet perhaps are inadvertent omissions by the sports information departments, although the latter doesn't make sense.  You would think they would/should know which games were exhibitions and which were games that counted as regular season games-listing earlier games as exhibitions and then the others as not is puzzling! ??? :)  Anyway, thanks for the info.

Also, Gregory, what is the total seasonal game limit (not counting the NCAA tournament) for DIII schools currently?  I forget what it is.

sac:
I do not follow DII basketball that closely, but is the NCAA limit for games set at 26?  DI was 32 or 33 isn't it and has that been cut back to around 30? I don't recall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 10, 2013, 09:40:58 PM
formerd3db,

I will be rooting for your Alma mater this Saturday. It will be a real good game, as will
the Mount Union/ John Carroll game. Home field advantage helps for both of these contest!

Talk with you late in the week! :)

Thanks Raider68!  Appreciate the support.  Of course, I don't think your alma mater will have much of a problem this Saturday!
Yes, talk to you later this week, my friend.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 11, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 11:46:16 PM

sac:
I do not follow DII basketball that closely, but is the NCAA limit for games set at 26?  DI was 32 or 33 isn't it and has that been cut back to around 30? I don't recall.

D2 play 26 games + conference tournament games, so they end up around 30 for the regular season.

The GLIAC schools play 22 conference games which leaves very few opportunities for MIAA/GLIAC match-ups but they do happen.  3 this year I think.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 11, 2013, 04:12:38 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2013, 06:58:24 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 05:59:34 PM
sac:
We'll, you will miss a good MIAA football game, although I can understand making two trips over there within 3 days can be a bit much.

Speaking of Hope basketball, why is the game with GVSU just an exhibition?

D3 teams aren't allowed to play games that count until Friday, November 15. Hope's game against Grand Valley State is on Thursday, one day earlier.

Gregory:

Thanks for the information.  I wasn't aware of that regarding DIII teams.  Friday was the official first (opening) day for NCAA DI basketball teams according to several of the announcers of the broadcasting teams that I/we had listened to some of the games on the radio.  I am assuming they meant that for "official games" and not exhibitions.  I was listening to the Central Michigan/Manchester game, however, the Central Michigan announcers for that game never once mentioned it was an exhibition throughout the entire broadcast, which I now think was somewhat strange.  They certainly had mentioned that some other games that were coming up for some other teams were exhibitions, yet did not make that reference to that particular game.  In fact, they kept saying that "Manchester will be returning to their regular DIII schedule on...such and such a date".

In checking Manchester's athletic website, their men's basketball schedule does in fact list it as being an exhibition game, however, Central Michigan's website does not list it as an exhibition, but rather a regular game.  Central Michigan also played DII Lake Superior State before Manchester and that game was listed as an exhibition..

However, in checking both Albion's and Eastern Michigan's athletic websites, Albion's game with Eastern Michigan is not listed as an exhibition.  In view of your information, these aspects appear strange, yet perhaps are inadvertent omissions by the sports information departments, although the latter doesn't make sense.  You would think they would/should know which games were exhibitions and which were games that counted as regular season games-listing earlier games as exhibitions and then the others as not is puzzling! ??? :)  Anyway, thanks for the info.

Also, Gregory, what is the total seasonal game limit (not counting the NCAA tournament) for DIII schools currently?  I forget what it is.

sac:
I do not follow DII basketball that closely, but is the NCAA limit for games set at 26?  DI was 32 or 33 isn't it and has that been cut back to around 30? I don't recall.

I'm not Gregory but the simple answer is the NCAA allows D1/D2 to count games vs D3 before Nov 15 even if its an exhibition for the D3.   It is in a word........stupid!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
No problem sac, the question(s) were meant for both of you (I should have clarified that a little better).  Anyway, thanks for the info and I agree with you entirely!  But...that doesn't surprise you about the NCAA does it?  It sure doesn't for me.  Someday, if we get a chance to meet in person, remind me to tell you about the ludicrous reply letter from the NCAA administrators (it was actually from a V-P instead of from the NCAA President who I addressed it to personally and which only upset me more because the latter was a DIII guy from our conference ::)), I received to my inquiry about some aspects of the Stagg Bowl a few years back.  A true story for another time. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2013, 06:14:09 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Also, Gregory, what is the total seasonal game limit (not counting the NCAA tournament) for DIII schools currently?  I forget what it is.

D3 basketball teams (both men's and women's) are allowed to play a maximum of 25 games, not including conference tournaments and the D3 tourney.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2013, 06:14:09 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 10, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Also, Gregory, what is the total seasonal game limit (not counting the NCAA tournament) for DIII schools currently?  I forget what it is.

D3 basketball teams (both men's and women's) are allowed to play a maximum of 25 games, not including conference tournaments and the D3 tourney.

Thanks for the answer.  I knew you would know! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2013, 07:37:36 PM
I just realized that I may be 'the Holland jinx'.  Hope's only two losses are to my alma mater and to the d3 school closest to Ypsi! ;D

Sorry, guys! 8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2013, 07:37:36 PM
I just realized that I may be 'the Holland jinx'.  Hope's only two losses are to my alma mater and to the d3 school closest to Ypsi! ;D

Sorry, guys! 8-)

Well,, let's hope not, Mr. Ypsi! ;) :o :)  We darn near beat your alma mater this year (probably the closest game of all the recent series).  Anyway, maybe this Saturday it will be a different story for Hope - at least that is what I'm hoping for and I think we have a very good chance.  I anticipate a good game, hopefully a huge crowd and hope that it is not a blow-out either way- as long as we win. ::) :o ;D ;) :)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2013, 08:09:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2013, 07:37:36 PM
I just realized that I may be 'the Holland jinx'.  Hope's only two losses are to my alma mater and to the d3 school closest to Ypsi! ;D

Sorry, guys! 8-)

Well,, let's hope not, Mr. Ypsi! ;) :o :)  We darn near beat your alma mater this year (probably the closest game of all the recent series).  Anyway, maybe this Saturday it will be a different story for Hope - at least that is what I'm hoping for and I think we have a very good chance.  I anticipate a good game, hopefully a huge crowd and hope that it is not a blow-out either way- as long as we win. ::) :o ;D ;) :)

I fully expect a Hope title - Albion is neither my alma mater nor closest to Ypsi! ;D  (It IS closER to Ypsi, but then so are Olivet, Kazoo, Trine, and probably Alma!)

Aside from 2011, Hope has always given IWU a helluva game.  BUT ... football gods willing, you've never beaten us and never will!! ;D  That series I'd like to see continue indefinitely, and I understand playing Aurora (very close by, and usually semi-decent), but I hope they will replace Alma on the schedule.  That game badly hurts our SoS; there must be a dozen options who are closer AND stand a decent chance of having 6+ wins, yet whom we would almost certainly beat.  (With both NCC and Wheaton in the CCIW, we cannot afford an OOC loss; otherwise I'd love to schedule Wabash or Franklin, but too risky.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 12, 2013, 09:01:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2013, 08:09:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2013, 07:37:36 PM
I just realized that I may be 'the Holland jinx'.  Hope's only two losses are to my alma mater and to the d3 school closest to Ypsi! ;D

Sorry, guys! 8-)

Well,, let's hope not, Mr. Ypsi! ;) :o :)  We darn near beat your alma mater this year (probably the closest game of all the recent series).  Anyway, maybe this Saturday it will be a different story for Hope - at least that is what I'm hoping for and I think we have a very good chance.  I anticipate a good game, hopefully a huge crowd and hope that it is not a blow-out either way- as long as we win. ::) :o ;D ;) :)

I fully expect a Hope title - Albion is neither my alma mater nor closest to Ypsi! ;D  (It IS closER to Ypsi, but then so are Olivet, Kazoo, Trine, and probably Alma!)

Aside from 2011, Hope has always given IWU a helluva game.  BUT ... football gods willing, you've never beaten us and never will!! ;D  That series I'd like to see continue indefinitely, and I understand playing Aurora (very close by, and usually semi-decent), but I hope they will replace Alma on the schedule.  That game badly hurts our SoS; there must be a dozen options who are closer AND stand a decent chance of having 6+ wins, yet whom we would almost certainly beat.  (With both NCC and Wheaton in the CCIW, we cannot afford an OOC loss; otherwise I'd love to schedule Wabash or Franklin, but too risky.)

Sorry but I have to comment on that (emphasis mine).  That kind of scheduling attitude really bothers me on several levels.  (And I do get that when you are scheduling several years in advance, that you can't necessarily predict who is a "good" team vs "bad" team in the future)

- We've seen in the past that a loss to a "good" team (ranked) can actually improve your SOS versus a win over a "bad" team (seen it in basketball and I assume the same could happen in FB).
- Playing against a "bad" team is really a no win situation.  You are supposed to win big, but does that really help develop your team?  Or you end up with a poor performance, because lets's face it, the players know they are playing a dog, and may not be playing with the same intensity (IWU vs Alma 1st half this year).   Challenge your team with tough competition - adversity drives improvement.

</rant off>
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on November 12, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 10, 2013, 09:40:58 PM
formerd3db,

I will be rooting for your Alma mater this Saturday. It will be a real good game, as will
the Mount Union/ John Carroll game. Home field advantage helps for both of these contest!

Talk with you late in the week! :)

Thanks Raider68!  Appreciate the support.  Of course, I don't think your alma mater will have much of a problem this Saturday!
Yes, talk to you later this week, my friend.

I believe that John Carroll will give Mount Union all they handle on Saturday.  JC has a legitimate shot at winning this game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 13, 2013, 09:42:09 AM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on November 12, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 10, 2013, 09:40:58 PM
formerd3db,

I will be rooting for your Alma mater this Saturday. It will be a real good game, as will
the Mount Union/ John Carroll game. Home field advantage helps for both of these contest!

Talk with you late in the week! :)

Thanks Raider68!  Appreciate the support.  Of course, I don't think your alma mater will have much of a problem this Saturday!
Yes, talk to you later this week, my friend.

I believe that John Carroll will give Mount Union all they handle on Saturday.  JC has a legitimate shot at winning this game. 


AlmaFan27,

I agree, JCU is a very good team and has the capability to win this one. However, this is not the
first very good team to meet the Raiders in a playoff atmosphere. No doubt it will be exciting
and both teams are likely in the playoffs starting 11-23. By the way the game is sold out. Mount's
stadium will hold around 8,000 although officially 5400-5500. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 13, 2013, 02:36:37 PM
Looks like we might get some good weather for the game in Holland on Saturday.  Really excited to see what I HOPE is a good game
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 15, 2013, 02:42:29 PM
Looking forward to being in Holland tomorrow.  Its been a long time since I watched a regular season closer which will decide a conference title.  Should be a good game ... maybe even going to overtime.  I can wear my UD blue  and not be tagged as either a Flying Dutch or a Briton :D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 15, 2013, 02:42:29 PM
Looking forward to being in Holland tomorrow.  Its been a long time since I watched a regular season closer which will decide a conference title.  Should be a good game ... maybe even going to overtime.  I can wear my UD blue  and not be tagged as either a Flying Dutch or a Briton :D

Okay, DBQ1965.  As you are going to be there tomorrow, let's try to see if we can finally meet in person for a quick visit - since we have been trying to do that for the past couple of years!  I will be there, however, may be arriving a little late after the opening kickoff because I have to attend a funeral service tomorrow morning.  Halftime will be busy for me, but perhaps at the hill gate when we come out for the second half or otherwise right after the game, even if to say hello.  And yes, it will be exciting particularly since it has indeed been a long time since the last game of the season has been the deciding one between two playing teams for the title, let alone that being for Albion/Hope.  Anyway, let me know.  Safe travels.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 15, 2013, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 15, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 15, 2013, 02:42:29 PM
Looking forward to being in Holland tomorrow.  Its been a long time since I watched a regular season closer which will decide a conference title.  Should be a good game ... maybe even going to overtime.  I can wear my UD blue  and not be tagged as either a Flying Dutch or a Briton :D

Okay, DBQ1965.  As you are going to be there tomorrow, let's try to see if we can finally meet in person for a quick visit - since we have been trying to do that for the past couple of years!  I will be there, however, may be arriving a little late after the opening kickoff because I have to attend a funeral service tomorrow morning.  Halftime will be busy for me, but perhaps at the hill gate when we come out for the second half or otherwise right after the game, even if to say hello.  And yes, it will be exciting particularly since it has indeed been a long time since the last game of the season has been the deciding one between two playing teams for the title, let alone that being for Albion/Hope.  Anyway, let me know.  Safe travels.

formerd3db,

I hope you and meet DBQ1965. I have asked him if his travel would include Mount Union, but he
has not been able as yet. Looking forward to sitting with NCF from Chicago, it should be fun and
a great game. I had a meeting at Mount on Thursday and the campus is really excited about the game.
They expect 8,000 to 9,000 in attendance! :)

All the best for Hope on Saturday! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 15, 2013, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 15, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 15, 2013, 02:42:29 PM
Looking forward to being in Holland tomorrow.  Its been a long time since I watched a regular season closer which will decide a conference title.  Should be a good game ... maybe even going to overtime.  I can wear my UD blue  and not be tagged as either a Flying Dutch or a Briton :D

Okay, DBQ1965.  As you are going to be there tomorrow, let's try to see if we can finally meet in person for a quick visit - since we have been trying to do that for the past couple of years!  I will be there, however, may be arriving a little late after the opening kickoff because I have to attend a funeral service tomorrow morning.  Halftime will be busy for me, but perhaps at the hill gate when we come out for the second half or otherwise right after the game, even if to say hello.  And yes, it will be exciting particularly since it has indeed been a long time since the last game of the season has been the deciding one between two playing teams for the title, let alone that being for Albion/Hope.  Anyway, let me know.  Safe travels.

I'll see what I can do to meet up ... either at the end of halftime or at the end of the game.  I will wear my blue UD hat so I should be easily recognizable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 15, 2013, 11:48:23 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 15, 2013, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 15, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 15, 2013, 02:42:29 PM
Looking forward to being in Holland tomorrow.  Its been a long time since I watched a regular season closer which will decide a conference title.  Should be a good game ... maybe even going to overtime.  I can wear my UD blue  and not be tagged as either a Flying Dutch or a Briton :D

Okay, DBQ1965.  As you are going to be there tomorrow, let's try to see if we can finally meet in person for a quick visit - since we have been trying to do that for the past couple of years!  I will be there, however, may be arriving a little late after the opening kickoff because I have to attend a funeral service tomorrow morning.  Halftime will be busy for me, but perhaps at the hill gate when we come out for the second half or otherwise right after the game, even if to say hello.  And yes, it will be exciting particularly since it has indeed been a long time since the last game of the season has been the deciding one between two playing teams for the title, let alone that being for Albion/Hope.  Anyway, let me know.  Safe travels.

formerd3db,

I hope you and meet DBQ1965. I have asked him if his travel would include Mount Union, but he
has not been able as yet. Looking forward to sitting with NCF from Chicago, it should be fun and
a great game. I had a meeting at Mount on Thursday and the campus is really excited about the game.
They expect 8,000 to 9,000 in attendance! :)

All the best for Hope on Saturday! :)

Hey Raider 68 ...

Don't give up on me.  I learned this year that one of my seminary classmates is an alum of Mt. Union ... class of '64 I think.  So one of these days I will make a Purple Raider game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2013, 01:06:50 AM
Raider 68:

Thank you very much for the well wishes. Same to you and your Mount Union.  That will be awesome if the attendance hits those figures!  I hope you have a great time and I know NCF will enjoy your hospitality.  All the best to Mount Union  tomorrow- uh, I mean today! Talk to you later.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2013, 01:08:41 AM
DBQ1965:

Thanks for the reply.  I'll look for your UD; we'll meet for sure at one or the other of those times!  See you later today!
GO HOPE! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2013, 02:22:56 PM
Halftime in Holland:  Hope 24, Albion 16.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2013, 03:29:41 PM
Albion has taken the lead, 27-24 w/ a FG at 5:29 left in the game.  The good news for Hope is Albion had it 1st and goal at the 4, and the Dutch held them to 3.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2013, 03:52:45 PM
What a game in Holland!!  Albion took a 34-31 lead with 45 seconds remaining.  Hope got it to the Albion 14, but hit the left upright on a 31-yd FG attempt at the final gun.

Albion is the 2013 MIAA champion.  Congratulations to the Britons.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAA in Exile on November 16, 2013, 05:01:42 PM
Fantastic finish in Holland.  Both teams played well enough to win.  Heroic drives back and forth by both teams  the last 10 minutes of the game.  Two missed field goals the difference. Doink is a rough way to end the game/season.  Albion overcame that disastrous pick 6  before half with a very solid second half, but Hope had to feel good going up 4 with less than 2 minutes left. Britons showed champions heart on the game winning drive.

Albion earned the title with two tough road games against the two other best teams in the MIAA.  Well done Brits.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2013, 07:15:02 PM
First, congratulations to the Albion players, staff and fans for their MIAA championship and best wishes to them in the playoffs in representing our conference.

Some random thoughts on today's game:

1) Obviously, a very disappointing day for Hope fans.  It was an exciting game as I suspected, it either going to be a close game as it was (or a blowout if someone imploded). The difference in the game was Hope's special teams (kickoff, punt return), the defense and the secondary.  Poor tackling, not covering well on punts, kickoffs, giving up too many passes at key points in the game and, unfortunately, the defensive line getting blown out at times )some massive holes for large running gains by Albion's backs).  Hope's offense played well and had character when they needed and at key times, especially in coming back as has been mentioned for those last two drives, including the 58 seconds left drive at the end of the game (although a few times, the offensive line was being overwhelmed).  I also felt bad for Hope's sr. kicker who missed 2 field goals, which might have been the difference and Hope had a dropped TD pass in the endzone in the first qtr. and had to settle for 3.  Those might have made the difference.

2) Some great plays were made by Hope's receivers and a great INT for a TD by one of Hope's dbs.

3) I have to say this...the officiating crew was absolutely horrible.  One of the worst I've seen, going back to the 3-4 years ago when that was a routine.  They absolutely made one sided calls favoring Albion;  wrong calls on the 3 pass interference calls against Hope; one was unequivocally offensive pass interference by Albion, a fourth simply was not called against Albion on a Hope receiver near the end of the game.  Two of those four led to Albion scores, however, at the same time, had they not been called, that is not to say Albion wouldn't have scored.  Although Hope did have a great goal line stand at the end, limiting them to their game winning FG instead of a TD, which, again, gave Hope the last chance at winning and/or at least sending the game into an overtime period.  Before anyone accuses me of saying that the officials cost Hope the game, I am not saying that as Hope did not deserve to win -when you give up big plays like they did at key times, poor-tackling both on defense and special teams, giving up consecutive pass plays, and missing FG's, that is not going to do it.  However, that does not excuse poor officiating.  I was disgusted and more than disappointed in the quality of the latter.

All that said, congratulations to Hope's players and staff as they did not give up and had a great season, accomplishing so much more than anyone expected, IMO.  Coach Kreps and staff have done a great job.  I wish all Hope's seniors all the best in the next chapter of their lives.  Enjoy your Hope College football memories.

Finally, it was a pleasure and great to finally meet you DBQ1965.  Thanks for making the effort to come down on the field after the game.  I was going to look for you regardless after the game, but you beat me to it!  Take care and talk to you again soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 16, 2013, 07:52:27 PM
Alma beat Trine 31-13
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2013, 12:24:39 AM
Quote from: sac on November 16, 2013, 07:52:27 PM
Alma beat Trine 31-13

Wow.  Alma avoids a winless season and Trine essentially continued to go downhill.  Good way to end on a positive for Alma to head into and build on next season. As for Trine, they have fallen quite a bit since their more recent 3 season rampage in the conference. Adrian had an "okay" season, yet surely disappointing for them and not what they expected.

Olivet and Kalamazoo end up having good seasons obviously compared to where they were last year.  6-4 for each of them is fine.  No doubt it was a tough loss for Olivet today loosing at home by 2 points just as it was for Hope, although it appears the game was a very exciting one.

One other aspect I forgot to mention about the Hope game.  Another big disappointment was the attendance-official "announced" attendance was 2314.  Again, I have to say there was no way that was the figure.  There had to be more than that- once again, the entire home side of the stadium was filled (and that has to be at least the 2300 figure and probably more), plus the fans sitting on the endzone hill and, of course, the Albion fans.  So it had to be more than what was announced.  In regards to Albion's following, I was very surprised and disappointed that Albion fans did not travel better- especially for a title game.  It appeared most were parents, families, friends of the players - an average small crowd for away games as is for most of these teams. 

In addition, as I commented before on this, I was very disappointed at the turnout for an MIAA Championship game and one especially at the end of the season.  Under 3,000 (if that was the true attendance and, again, I do not believe that figure), is extremely disappointing for a title game and particularly for an Albion//Hope game alone, but of such significance regarding the outcome reward.  It just shows me that the MIAA is not what it used to be as "back in the day", although certainly with Trine's recent 3 great years as well and particularly their last one of that category, the MIAA title game would have 3-4 times what was announced today.  The largest crowd on record was the Albion/Alma game back in the late 1990's and while that was essentially for the MIAA title, it wasn't the last game of the season as I recall.  That had nearly 9,000, however, even then I know it was more than that figure at that game.  Regardless, I am disappointed in today's attendance for such an important game :'( :-[ :(, yet obviously appreciate all the fans who did attend the game. :)  Anyway, I'm out until tomorrow...uh, I mean later this afternoon. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 17, 2013, 07:32:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2013, 07:15:02 PM
First, congratulations to the Albion players, staff and fans for their MIAA championship and best wishes to them in the playoffs in representing our conference.

Some random thoughts on today's game:

1) Obviously, a very disappointing day for Hope fans.  It was an exciting game as I suspected, it either going to be a close game as it was (or a blowout if someone imploded). The difference in the game was Hope's special teams (kickoff, punt return), the defense and the secondary.  Poor tackling, not covering well on punts, kickoffs, giving up too many passes at key points in the game and, unfortunately, the defensive line getting blown out at times )some massive holes for large running gains by Albion's backs).  Hope's offense played well and had character when they needed and at key times, especially in coming back as has been mentioned for those last two drives, including the 58 seconds left drive at the end of the game (although a few times, the offensive line was being overwhelmed).  I also felt bad for Hope's sr. kicker who missed 2 field goals, which might have been the difference and Hope had a dropped TD pass in the endzone in the first qtr. and had to settle for 3.  Those might have made the difference.

2) Some great plays were made by Hope's receivers and a great INT for a TD by one of Hope's dbs.

3) I have to say this...the officiating crew was absolutely horrible.  One of the worst I've seen, going back to the 3-4 years ago when that was a routine.  They absolutely made one sided calls favoring Albion;  wrong calls on the 3 pass interference calls against Hope; one was unequivocally offensive pass interference by Albion, a fourth simply was not called against Albion on a Hope receiver near the end of the game.  Two of those four led to Albion scores, however, at the same time, had they not been called, that is not to say Albion wouldn't have scored.  Although Hope did have a great goal line stand at the end, limiting them to their game winning FG instead of a TD, which, again, gave Hope the last chance at winning and/or at least sending the game into an overtime period.  Before anyone accuses me of saying that the officials cost Hope the game, I am not saying that as Hope did not deserve to win -when you give up big plays like they did at key times, poor-tackling both on defense and special teams, giving up consecutive pass plays, and missing FG's, that is not going to do it.  However, that does not excuse poor officiating.  I was disgusted and more than disappointed in the quality of the latter.

All that said, congratulations to Hope's players and staff as they did not give up and had a great season, accomplishing so much more than anyone expected, IMO.  Coach Kreps and staff have done a great job.  I wish all Hope's seniors all the best in the next chapter of their lives.  Enjoy your Hope College football memories.

Finally, it was a pleasure and great to finally meet you DBQ1965.  Thanks for making the effort to come down on the field after the game.  I was going to look for you regardless after the game, but you beat me to it!  Take care and talk to you again soon.

formerd3db,

I saw an earlier score with your Hope team up over Albion, But was surpized to see how it ended.
Hope came very close this year and will be in it again in 2014. Glad you were able to meet DBQ1965, now
I just need to get him to Mount Union. Sorry about the result, but Congrats to Albion ( who may be
playing Mount Union, (if Keith playoff predictions hold).

Great season for Hope! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2013, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 17, 2013, 07:32:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2013, 07:15:02 PM
First, congratulations to the Albion players, staff and fans for their MIAA championship and best wishes to them in the playoffs in representing our conference.

Some random thoughts on today's game:

1) Obviously, a very disappointing day for Hope fans.  It was an exciting game as I suspected, it either going to be a close game as it was (or a blowout if someone imploded). The difference in the game was Hope's special teams (kickoff, punt return), the defense and the secondary.  Poor tackling, not covering well on punts, kickoffs, giving up too many passes at key points in the game and, unfortunately, the defensive line getting blown out at times )some massive holes for large running gains by Albion's backs).  Hope's offense played well and had character when they needed and at key times, especially in coming back as has been mentioned for those last two drives, including the 58 seconds left drive at the end of the game (although a few times, the offensive line was being overwhelmed).  I also felt bad for Hope's sr. kicker who missed 2 field goals, which might have been the difference and Hope had a dropped TD pass in the endzone in the first qtr. and had to settle for 3.  Those might have made the difference.

2) Some great plays were made by Hope's receivers and a great INT for a TD by one of Hope's dbs.

3) I have to say this...the officiating crew was absolutely horrible.  One of the worst I've seen, going back to the 3-4 years ago when that was a routine.  They absolutely made one sided calls favoring Albion;  wrong calls on the 3 pass interference calls against Hope; one was unequivocally offensive pass interference by Albion, a fourth simply was not called against Albion on a Hope receiver near the end of the game.  Two of those four led to Albion scores, however, at the same time, had they not been called, that is not to say Albion wouldn't have scored.  Although Hope did have a great goal line stand at the end, limiting them to their game winning FG instead of a TD, which, again, gave Hope the last chance at winning and/or at least sending the game into an overtime period.  Before anyone accuses me of saying that the officials cost Hope the game, I am not saying that as Hope did not deserve to win -when you give up big plays like they did at key times, poor-tackling both on defense and special teams, giving up consecutive pass plays, and missing FG's, that is not going to do it.  However, that does not excuse poor officiating.  I was disgusted and more than disappointed in the quality of the latter.

All that said, congratulations to Hope's players and staff as they did not give up and had a great season, accomplishing so much more than anyone expected, IMO.  Coach Kreps and staff have done a great job.  I wish all Hope's seniors all the best in the next chapter of their lives.  Enjoy your Hope College football memories.

Finally, it was a pleasure and great to finally meet you DBQ1965.  Thanks for making the effort to come down on the field after the game.  I was going to look for you regardless after the game, but you beat me to it!  Take care and talk to you again soon.

formerd3db,

I saw an earlier score with your Hope team up over Albion, But was surpized to see how it ended.
Hope came very close this year and will be in it again in 2014. Glad you were able to meet DBQ1965, now
I just need to get him to Mount Union. Sorry about the result, but Congrats to Albion ( who may be
playing Mount Union, (if Keith playoff predictions hold).

Great season for Hope! :) :) :)

Thanks Raider68.  Yes, although we all knew it was probably going to be a very close and exciting game just as it turned out, and as good as Albion played, I think that many of us still can't believe Hope let that one slip away.  We had it won, yet as I mentioned in my earlier post and on another board, you can't give up consecutive big plays like we did on their last drive (and earlier in the game at times as well) and expect to win.

Yes, you will have to get DBQ1965 down to your place for a game sometime.  He is a very nice gentleman and knows his DIII football.  He enjoys that as well as supporting his U of Dubuque as much as we support our alma maters!

Also, indeed, we came very close this year and 7-3 is a good season and a marked improvement from last year.  Again, I think that Coach Kreps and the coaching staff really did a great job in motivating our players and got even more out of them this year.  Yet, as far as next year, even though you are very kind and optimistic about us being in it again for next season, I am concerned because our Sr. QB Atwell graduates and our backup QBs have played very little/have little game time experience.  However, hopefully, one of them will step-up.

Hey, I am not sure about my schedule just yet, but...if Albion gets thrown at your Mount Union down at your place next weekend in the first round game, I just might be able to make the trip down.  First, we'll have to see what the brackets are when they come out this afternoon - I'll check on those when we get back home from church.  If the former occurs, any chance you might be going to the game and/or be interested in going (i.e. twisting your arm a bit for that if you have other personal plans that you need to take care of instead of going to the game were I able to make it down ;D ;)).  Let me know.  I recall several years ago (well, actually quite a few years ago back in the early 1990's before Albion won their Stagg Bowl national championship in 1994), I and my late father "blasted down and back" for the day to see (I believe it was Albion) playing Mount in a playoff game. I believe it was 1993 when Mount beat Albion 30-16 and I remember it was very wet snow and some rain.  I know it wasn't in 1994 when Albion won the championship because that game was at Albion and they beat Mount 34-33 in a very close game - that one was played in extremely, terribly cold weather- I remember I had a ton of heavy clothing on and was still freezing then entire game.  It was so cold that everyone could see their breath fogging out the entire time! ::)  Anyway, so much for the trip down memory lane. ;D

Let me know later today about next Saturday, again, depending on what we find out this afternoon.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 17, 2013, 01:03:09 PM
Exciting game at Hope yesterday ... though a heart-breaker for the Dutch.  Both teams had chances to put it away ... and both teams made some critical mistakes.  The assessment of formerd3db re: the officiating was right on.  I saw several missed calls ... particularly one holding or pass interference that should have been called on the wide receiver who then went on to score ... and I don't see how none of the officials caught it as it was so blatant.  Having watched games at Kalmazoo, Olivet and Hope ... I have some misgivings about the quality of officiating in the MIAA ... and I've noticed that in the IIAC as well.  I wonder if D-3 officiating suffers across the board.

It was good to meet formerd3db (he looks so young) at the end of the game down on the field.  Now I've got to work on getting to the Mount and meeting up with Raider 68.

Next weekend will it be a D-3 playoff game somewhere ... one of the Michigan high school semi-final games ... or Grand Valley hosting a first round D-2 game?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 17, 2013, 06:29:42 PM
My sympathies to Albion.   Getting matched up against North Central in Naperville in the 1st Round is a toughie.  My UD Spartans had the same match-up in 2011 and it wasn't pretty.  The Cardinals are both quick and fast on both sides of the ball, and they play with exceptional aggressiveness. Their play-off experience, especially in front of their home crowd, pays dividends.  Visitors stands are not the greatest, about the same as Kalamazoo, not as good as Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2013, 07:48:34 PM
DBQ1965:

Great meeting you yesterday as well and thanks for the kind comments.  Ditto to you as well.  As to Albion's selection for the first round opponent, you, I and everyone knew that they were going to get a top seed opponent and, thus, a tough task, more difficult chance in getting beyond that first game and to the second round.  It was either going to be Mount Union or someone like North Central.  I thought perhaps even Illinois Wesleyan if they were going to be sent to a more west location as opposed to east.  Personally, though, I really expected it to be Mount Union.   At any rate, as you say, it will be a tough challenge.  While we all know upsets can happen, and as much as I'd like to see our MIAA representative advance, I doubt that is going to happen.  Now, my opinion (and hope) would probably be different if Hope had been the MIAA champ and in that position... ::) ;)  ;D :o 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on November 18, 2013, 04:55:51 PM
I would have to agree with others that the Albion v Hope game was a well fought game with big plays and mistakes on both sides.  I was attempting to watch the Hope internet broadcast and was increasingly frustrated.  I commend Hope on having the first D3 setup I have seen where they can access multiple camera views for the game.  However, it was this great thing that was the cause of frustration.  The broadcast was flipping from various views in the middle of plays and most often stayed on a camera that was zoomed in on just the offensive line.  Many times big plays were missed because of this view and when switched to a different camera it was one in which the top row of fans was standing and blocking the view.  So unfortunately a lot of the big plays....and from what it sounds like the penalties, were not in camera view and so I cannot speak to the full extent of the game.  Again good on Hope for having multiple cameras, but they are not ESPN yet and so need a lot of work to make sure it is a good viewing....not just a cool thing to have.

The Albion win on Saturday was the 100th W as Albion HC for Craig Rundle.  Quite a combination of things with winning the league and winning a rivalry game for the 100th W. 

North Central is a tough draw for Albion.  I caught some of the 2nd half online of the North Central v IWU game.  As mentioned their offense and defense looked to be quite fast and physical.  Should be interesting to see how it plays out on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2013, 07:14:20 PM
Cousin Eddie:

Thanks for the review.  Most of us don't know that much about Hope's camera set-ups for those broadcasts (as we're usually down on the field! ;)).  However, while that is very neat we have the system, it sounds like they need to improve on that. 

BTW, I didn't realize that the win for Rundle was his 100th.  He joins that elite group, which was just talked about 3-4 weeks ago when Hope HC Kreps won his 100th at Hope, joining former Hope HC Ray Smith and former Alma HC Jim Cole.  Those guys all modestly said it was "just because they had been around a long time".  I disagree-it's not because of that, rather it is because of their coaching and the kind of men and great character they have, all which plays into the overall scene along with the recruiting, etc., etc..  Congrats to Coach Rundle.

I agree with you that it will be a tough challenge for Albion Saturday.  Not impossible, but not very easy.  They will have to bring their "A" game and no mistakes like they did against us this past weekend.  As I previously mentioned, Hope had their chance too and made the mistakes, however, if there had been 30 more seconds left in the game, I believe we would have won it! ::) ;)  But...if's don't count as we all know!  Good luck to Albion this weekend representing our MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 19, 2013, 12:21:30 AM
Hope released its schedule for next year:

Saturday, Sept. 6 - Hope at Monmouth, Ill, 1 p.m. CT
Saturday, Sept. 13 - Augustana, Ill CCIW/MIAA Challenge (Community Day), 1:30 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 20 - Lakeland College (NAC/MIAA Challenge) 2:00 p.m. ET
Saturday, Sept. 27 - Bye
Saturday, Oct. 4 - Hope at Albion, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Oct. 11 - Rockford at Hope, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Oct. 18 - Olivet at Hope, 2 p.m. ET (Homecoming)
Saturday, Oct. 25 - Hope at Alma, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 1 - Hope at Adrian, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 8 - Trine at Hope, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 15 - Kalamazoo at Hope, 1 p.m. ET

Monmouth went 5-5
Augustana went 5-5
Lakeland went 7-3
Rockford went 1-9
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2013, 12:37:40 AM
Sorry to see the end of the Hope/IWU series.  With only one exception, all the games were close.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 19, 2013, 01:32:31 PM
Looking ahead here is the 2014 MIAA/NACC Challenge looks like

#1 Albion at Concordia Wisconsin
#2 Hope at Lakeland
#3 Kalamazoo at Benedictine
#4 Adrian at Wisconsin Lutheran
#5 Olivet at Aurora
#6 Trine at Concordia Chicago
#7 Alma at Rockford
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 19, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2013, 12:21:30 AM
Hope released its schedule for next year:

Saturday, Sept. 6 - Hope at Monmouth, Ill, 1 p.m. CT
Saturday, Sept. 13 - Augustana, Ill CCIW/MIAA Challenge (Community Day), 1:30 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 20 - Lakeland College (NAC/MIAA Challenge) 2:00 p.m. ET
Saturday, Sept. 27 - Bye
Saturday, Oct. 4 - Hope at Albion, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Oct. 11 - Rockford at Hope, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Oct. 18 - Olivet at Hope, 2 p.m. ET (Homecoming)
Saturday, Oct. 25 - Hope at Alma, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 1 - Hope at Adrian, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 8 - Trine at Hope, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 15 - Kalamazoo at Hope, 1 p.m. ET

Monmouth went 5-5
Augustana went 5-5
Lakeland went 7-3
Rockford went 1-9

Oops, you missed one

Bye went 0-10   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 19, 2013, 03:25:16 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 19, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2013, 12:21:30 AM
Hope released its schedule for next year:

Saturday, Sept. 6 - Hope at Monmouth, Ill, 1 p.m. CT
Saturday, Sept. 13 - Augustana, Ill CCIW/MIAA Challenge (Community Day), 1:30 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 20 - Lakeland College (NAC/MIAA Challenge) 2:00 p.m. ET
Saturday, Sept. 27 - Bye
Saturday, Oct. 4 - Hope at Albion, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Oct. 11 - Rockford at Hope, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Oct. 18 - Olivet at Hope, 2 p.m. ET (Homecoming)
Saturday, Oct. 25 - Hope at Alma, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 1 - Hope at Adrian, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 8 - Trine at Hope, 1 p.m. ET
Saturday, Nov. 15 - Kalamazoo at Hope, 1 p.m. ET

Monmouth went 5-5
Augustana went 5-5
Lakeland went 7-3
Rockford went 1-9

Oops, you missed one

Bye went 0-10   ;D

They out-rushed Michigan twice
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: New Tradition on November 20, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
Can anybody provide some insight as to what we can expect from Albion on Saturday?  What type of offense/defense do they run?  Any strengths?  Weaknesses?

As far as NCC, they run a spread-style offense and are about as balanced as can be.  They have sort of a running back by committee type situation and rotate the position frequently.  The QB was the OPOY for the conference and completes passes at over a 70% rate and has thrown 32 TDs vs. 1 INT this season.  Defensively, I've seen them run both 3 and 4 man fronts.  They have a great deal of team speed, and will be tough to get outside on.  Historically, where they have had problems in the playoffs is with a team that is VERY efficient passing the football.  If you can get them down and keep their offense off the field with a slow, methodical west-coast style passing attack, that would give Albion the best shot at winning, IMO. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on November 20, 2013, 03:13:14 PM
Quote from: New Tradition on November 20, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
Can anybody provide some insight as to what we can expect from Albion on Saturday?  What type of offense/defense do they run?  Any strengths?  Weaknesses?

As far as NCC, they run a spread-style offense and are about as balanced as can be.  They have sort of a running back by committee type situation and rotate the position frequently.  The QB was the OPOY for the conference and completes passes at over a 70% rate and has thrown 32 TDs vs. 1 INT this season.  Defensively, I've seen them run both 3 and 4 man fronts.  They have a great deal of team speed, and will be tough to get outside on.  Historically, where they have had problems in the playoffs is with a team that is VERY efficient passing the football.  If you can get them down and keep their offense off the field with a slow, methodical west-coast style passing attack, that would give Albion the best shot at winning, IMO.

I am pretty sure NCC will have their way with Albion, likely the way they would have with any other team coming out of the MIAA.  It was exciting to watch the MIAA race, because of the parody that exists in the league, but overall, teams from the MIAA are not prepared for the next level at present.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on November 20, 2013, 03:13:14 PM
Quote from: New Tradition on November 20, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
Can anybody provide some insight as to what we can expect from Albion on Saturday?  What type of offense/defense do they run?  Any strengths?  Weaknesses?

As far as NCC, they run a spread-style offense and are about as balanced as can be.  They have sort of a running back by committee type situation and rotate the position frequently.  The QB was the OPOY for the conference and completes passes at over a 70% rate and has thrown 32 TDs vs. 1 INT this season.  Defensively, I've seen them run both 3 and 4 man fronts.  They have a great deal of team speed, and will be tough to get outside on.  Historically, where they have had problems in the playoffs is with a team that is VERY efficient passing the football.  If you can get them down and keep their offense off the field with a slow, methodical west-coast style passing attack, that would give Albion the best shot at winning, IMO.

I am pretty sure NCC will have their way with Albion, likely the way they would have with any other team coming out of the MIAA.  It was exciting to watch the MIAA race, because of the parody that exists in the league, but overall, teams from the MIAA are not prepared for the next level at present.

27, don't sell out your conference - the MIAA has parity, but I don't consider them a parody! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on November 20, 2013, 04:54:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: AlmaFan27 on November 20, 2013, 03:13:14 PM
Quote from: New Tradition on November 20, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
Can anybody provide some insight as to what we can expect from Albion on Saturday?  What type of offense/defense do they run?  Any strengths?  Weaknesses?

As far as NCC, they run a spread-style offense and are about as balanced as can be.  They have sort of a running back by committee type situation and rotate the position frequently.  The QB was the OPOY for the conference and completes passes at over a 70% rate and has thrown 32 TDs vs. 1 INT this season.  Defensively, I've seen them run both 3 and 4 man fronts.  They have a great deal of team speed, and will be tough to get outside on.  Historically, where they have had problems in the playoffs is with a team that is VERY efficient passing the football.  If you can get them down and keep their offense off the field with a slow, methodical west-coast style passing attack, that would give Albion the best shot at winning, IMO.

I am pretty sure NCC will have their way with Albion, likely the way they would have with any other team coming out of the MIAA.  It was exciting to watch the MIAA race, because of the parody that exists in the league, but overall, teams from the MIAA are not prepared for the next level at present.

27, don't sell out your conference - the MIAA has parity, but I don't consider them a parody! ;D

Aren't they ciniminous??    :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: New Tradition on November 22, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Man, this board is quiet!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2013, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: New Tradition on November 22, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Man, this board is quiet!

I was just thinking that same thing and about to post the same comment, NT.  You would think that with Albion getting to the playoffs, their posters would be flooding this board.  However, quite sad - this certainly isn't like years ago in the "good old days" in the MIAA (and I'm not just talking about here). :( :P :-[  Anyway, good luck to Albion tomorrow.  Wouldn't that be a great upset if they knock off NCC?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: New Tradition on November 22, 2013, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 22, 2013, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: New Tradition on November 22, 2013, 11:24:17 AM
Man, this board is quiet!

I was just thinking that same thing and about to post the same comment, NT.  You would think that with Albion getting to the playoffs, their posters would be flooding this board.  However, quite sad - this certainly isn't like years ago in the "good old days" in the MIAA (and I'm not just talking about here). :( :P :-[  Anyway, good luck to Albion tomorrow.  Wouldn't that be a great upset if they knock off NCC?

According to the bracket, there couldn't be many bigger!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on November 22, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
Go Albion!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2013, 08:03:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Wally on November 22, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
Go Albion!

Thanks, JW for the support of our MIAA representative!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2013, 02:30:08 PM
Ouch. Albion is getting hammered by North Central 42-0 so far.  I really thought Albion would give them a better game; at least making it somewhat of close game for a while.  We'll see if they can get a score or two just to try and make it "respectable". ::) :-X
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2013, 03:52:04 PM
Double ouch!  Albion has been shellshacked; North Central up at 63-0 with a few minutes left.  Another embarrassing loss in the 1st round, but also another literal beating, giving up another "60-some" points like they did to Wheaton.  I realize North Central is good, however, after seeing Albion play last week, I really thought they would at least make it a competitive game.  They must have simply imploded.  Very disappointing.

Even Illinois Wesleyan is getting wacked today.  Although Hope barely lost to them this year, I also thought IWU would go at least to the middle of the playoffs.  Too bad for them as well.  However, it looks like Hope Head Baseball Coach Stu Fritz's alma mater Wartburg (he played both baseball and football there) might just be a team to watch out for in the playoffs!

As far as the playoffs, some disappointing attendance today also at the various games with the crowds being in the 2,000's for most.  Even Franklin didn't hit their season average of in the mid-3,000's.  However, most likely much of this was due to the inclement and cold weather at most of the sites today. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NCCAlum48 on November 23, 2013, 04:02:04 PM
Just got home from the NCC-Albion game.  Despite the score, NCC didn't play their best game IMHO.  NCC will need to have a better pass rush next week vs. UWP.  The sacks today seemed to be more from coverage than from winning individual battles.  Pad level seemed very high and NCC was uncharacteristically careless with the ball at times.  Not sure if it was the cold temps or something else.  A win is a win but NCC will need to play better next week if they want to advance further IMO.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2013, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: NCCAlum48 on November 23, 2013, 04:02:04 PM
Just got home from the NCC-Albion game.  Despite the score, NCC didn't play their best game IMHO.  NCC will need to have a better pass rush next week vs. UWP.  The sacks today seemed to be more from coverage than from winning individual battles.  Pad level seemed very high and NCC was uncharacteristically careless with the ball at times.  Not sure if it was the cold temps or something else.  A win is a win but NCC will need to play better next week if they want to advance further IMO.

Certainly understand that.  Obviously, I did not see the game today.  However, if North Central played that way in adverse weather conditions, I'd say too that if they improve to what they usually do as you mention, that and better weather should be a plus for them; they should be okay, although, indeed, UW-Platteville will be a tough opponent.  Having the game at your home stadium again, also doesn't hurt.  Good luck to you guys next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 27, 2013, 07:47:04 AM
To all the MIAA posters, Have a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving Holiday! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2013, 08:28:58 AM
Thank you Raider68 and the same to you as well as all our MIAA posters (and other posters from the other boards who visit ours).  :)  My prayers are for safe travels also for those of you who will be doing that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 30, 2013, 08:11:13 PM
Wow I haven't been on these boards in a LONG time! I did read EVERY single post (unless i went brain dead for a quick second  ;) ) over the time period that I was nonexistent!

One thing that stood out to me though was the Blackledge comments earlier because he JUST today said he would be in Grand Rapids watching his son Harrison play basketball tonight.  Harrison is a freshman at Hope!

Hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable Thanksgiving holidays!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafan4life on December 01, 2013, 03:18:50 PM
What do you guys think? Does Pscodna at Alma get fired or stay another year?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 01, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: miaafan4life on December 01, 2013, 03:18:50 PM
What do you guys think? Does Pscodna at Alma get fired or stay another year?

I would think they would give him one more year at least.  However, anything less than a 5-5 season I would tend to think would not be in his favor based on what other coaches in the various sports at the college there historically have been held to in the past as far as keeping their jobs (including both football and basketball).  Whether a couple of additional wins i.e. a 3-7 season would be enough is questionable, don't you think?  That said, hopefully, they will do better.  I don't like to see anyone lose their job.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 02, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: miaafan4life on December 01, 2013, 03:18:50 PM
What do you guys think? Does Pscodna at Alma get fired or stay another year?

No chance. Period. He'll have at least another two years is my guess...

My opinion also is that it will be a lot different if Jarrett decides against using his final year of eligibility next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on December 03, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
Why should that impact Psconda's role at Alma?  Shouldn't the best guy take the snaps?  Oh...  What a mess.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 03, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
A bit off-topic but Chuck Martin, former GVSU HC and assistant at ND, was hired by Miami, OH.


Any kind of success there is a stepping stone to a Big Ten job.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: robertgoulet on December 05, 2013, 10:07:45 AM
MIAA and CCIW come to scheduling agreement for 2014 & 2015.

http://www.cciw.org/news/2013/12/4/fb_1204132555.aspx (http://www.cciw.org/news/2013/12/4/fb_1204132555.aspx)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: New Tradition on December 05, 2013, 10:11:00 AM
Quote from: robertgoulet on December 05, 2013, 10:07:45 AM
MIAA and CCIW come to scheduling agreement for 2014 & 2015.

http://www.cciw.org/news/2013/12/4/fb_1204132555.aspx (http://www.cciw.org/news/2013/12/4/fb_1204132555.aspx)
This should be fun!  Love a good conference challenge.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 05, 2013, 03:07:17 PM
 
Augustana at Hope
IWU at Albion
Wheaton at Kalalmazoo
Carthage at Adrian
Elmhurst at Olivet
North Park at Alma
Millikin at Trine
North Central at Calvin.....St. Norbert
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2013, 03:48:26 PM
Quote from: sac on December 05, 2013, 03:07:17 PM
North Central at Calvin.....St. Norbert

Well, they're both Knights. I can see how someone could get confused. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 08, 2013, 05:42:12 PM
I know Finlandia adding football has been talked about, here's proof they built a nice field that's ready to go.  Its used for soccer right now.

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 08, 2013, 06:40:20 PM
Quote from: sac on December 08, 2013, 05:42:12 PM
I know Finlandia adding football has been talked about, here's proof they built a nice field that's ready to go.  Its used for soccer right now.

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Yes, that photo has been up on their athletic website for quite some time now.  Indeed, that will also be the field where the eventual football stadium will be built.

As Pat mentioned back when we were all discussing this, apparently, plans for the football program have been delayed.  For whatever reason has not been mentioned by the Finlandia administrators nor do I recall seeing any mention as to why in their online newsletter on their athletic website, although I admit that I haven't recently checked regarding that.  Neither has there been any mention that the plans for the football program have been scrapped and from what has been heard via the general "rumor mill", football is still going to be added, however, just delayed for now. Obviously, it won't be for the 2014 season.  Hopefully, we'll hear more in the next few months.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 11, 2013, 12:50:29 PM
MIAA Commisioner David Neilson announces his retirement:

http://www.miaa.org/landing/index
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2013, 10:14:11 PM
EMU has hired Chris Creighton (formerly the coach at Wabash, before moving to D1 FCS Drake) as HFC.  I'm not sure anyone can be a winner at EMU, but Creighton certainly seems to be a good candidate to try.  He's won big everywhere he has coached: 32-9 at Ottawa (Kan) U (NAIA), 63-15 at Wabash, and 47-19 at Drake.

Good luck to Coach Creighton - you'll need all the luck you can get!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2013, 10:14:11 PM
EMU has hired Chris Creighton (formerly the coach at Wabash, before moving to D1 FCS Drake) as HFC.  I'm not sure anyone can be a winner at EMU, but Creighton certainly seems to be a good candidate to try.  He's won big everywhere he has coached: 32-9 at Ottawa (Kan) U (NAIA), 63-15 at Wabash, and 47-19 at Drake.

Good luck to Coach Creighton - you'll need all the luck you can get!

I wish him well also.  It might be a slight shock to him in that the attendance at Drake was better than Eastern Michigan this year for the most part.  I also wonder how many of the current staff he will keep i.e. will Stan Parrish and former U of Michigan RB Mike Hart stay on?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 11, 2013, 10:25:06 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on December 11, 2013, 12:50:29 PM
MIAA Commisioner David Neilson announces his retirement:

http://www.miaa.org/landing/index

Dave Neilson is a great man/great gentleman and was a great commissioner.  I always enjoyed talking with him-he was always very cordial and made you feel welcome and appreciated as a fan, supporter, former player, and even staff person from whatever college you/we were, etc.  As can also be seen from his bio, he was a great student-athlete at Albion as well in his own day.  At any rate, he will be missed as our commissioner.  His vision and leadership was great for the MIAA.  Best wishes to him for the next chapter in his life.

We'll also welcome the next commissioner, whoever, he/she is when chosen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2013, 11:23:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2013, 10:14:11 PM
EMU has hired Chris Creighton (formerly the coach at Wabash, before moving to D1 FCS Drake) as HFC.  I'm not sure anyone can be a winner at EMU, but Creighton certainly seems to be a good candidate to try.  He's won big everywhere he has coached: 32-9 at Ottawa (Kan) U (NAIA), 63-15 at Wabash, and 47-19 at Drake.

Good luck to Coach Creighton - you'll need all the luck you can get!

I wish him well also.  It might be a slight shock to him in that the attendance at Drake was better than Eastern Michigan this year for the most part.  I also wonder how many of the current staff he will keep i.e. will Stan Parrish and former U of Michigan RB Mike Hart stay on?

It wouldn't surprise me if some MIAA teams had higher attendance than EMU! :(  It must be a bit embarrassing that even people with free tickets don't show up.  (My younger son is now attending EMU; he has gone to a couple of games, but even he - a rabid football fan - has mostly stopped attending.)

The official announcement is not until tomorrow(?); I haven't heard anything about assistant coaches (not even speculation).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 12, 2013, 08:44:39 AM
rumored Mike Hart applied for the HC job, unlikely he stays on.

I don't know who was in charge of EMU's scheduling but they play at Florida and Michigan State next year.  At LSU the following year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 12, 2013, 08:44:55 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2013, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: sac on December 12, 2013, 08:44:55 AM
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Hilarious, sac! +k for the true levity!  However, I'm sure that no one will be surprised if he did bolt to Texas. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 12, 2013, 11:25:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2013, 11:23:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 11, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2013, 10:14:11 PM
EMU has hired Chris Creighton (formerly the coach at Wabash, before moving to D1 FCS Drake) as HFC.  I'm not sure anyone can be a winner at EMU, but Creighton certainly seems to be a good candidate to try.  He's won big everywhere he has coached: 32-9 at Ottawa (Kan) U (NAIA), 63-15 at Wabash, and 47-19 at Drake.

Good luck to Coach Creighton - you'll need all the luck you can get!

I wish him well also.  It might be a slight shock to him in that the attendance at Drake was better than Eastern Michigan this year for the most part.  I also wonder how many of the current staff he will keep i.e. will Stan Parrish and former U of Michigan RB Mike Hart stay on?

It wouldn't surprise me if some MIAA teams had higher attendance than EMU! :(  It must be a bit embarrassing that even people with free tickets don't show up.  (My younger son is now attending EMU; he has gone to a couple of games, but even he - a rabid football fan - has mostly stopped attending.)

The official announcement is not until tomorrow(?); I haven't heard anything about assistant coaches (not even speculation).

Well, Mr. Ypsi, that is essentially true.  Sad, but true.  Here is the breakdown:

Eastern Michigan
Home game attendance:                                  Away games:  @Penn State  92,863
Howard University  7668                                                       @Rutgers       47,604
Ball State              5402                                                       @Buffalo        23,602
Ohio U.                 3257                                                       @Army          36,006
Western Mich.       2177                                                       @N. Illinois     20,185
Bowling Green      1751                                                       @Toledo         17,492
                   AVG. 2395                                                       @Central Mich  5214

in comparison...

Hope College
Home game attendance                      Away games:  high attendance  @ Olivet 3785
Millikin                4110                                                                      @ Trine  3243
Wis. Luth            1484*
Adrian                2006
Kalamazoo         1465
Albion                2314*
                 AVG. 2276
*(I know the attendance was at least double the figure for the WLC game and in the low 3,000 for Albion because I personally counted there! ;D)
   
Trine University
Home game attendance                                Away game high attendance; @ Albion 4164
Elmhurst            4894
Concordia (Wis)  3887
Kalamazoo         5368*        *one of the largest crowds for Kazoo as the latter usually played in front of <1,000 at their home stadium)
Adrian               2390
Hope                3243
                AVG 3956


I would also say that even though Hope had a better season this year at 7-3, still, the home attendance was down for some reason as compared to what Hope usually has in a good year.  In great years, they've had in the high 3,000's and 4,000's, although also don't forget in Trine's 3 year run that Trine had high 4,000's and 5,000's regular attendance.  I didn't add up/average the home attendance for the other MIAA schools for this year, however, with the exception of Alma and Kalamazoo, I believe that most of the MIAA schools had close to what Eastern Michigan had for home games.  Without checking for sure, I also think that some of the other DIII schools like Wabash, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan UW-W, had more at home for most of their games than Eastern did (I'm pretty sure that Wabash did).

So, as you say, Creighton has a tough challenge at Eastern Michigan.  However, I hope he does well and wish him all the best.  Since he did well at FCS non-scholarship Drake including with pretty good attendance there for Pioneer League (and also as well in comparison of attendance as some of the other FCS schools and some of the DIII schools that had some higher attendance), if he can get that enthusiasm at Eastern, that would be a welcome sign.  I would additionally mention that the attendance for the Eastern Michigan/Central Michigan game as noted above is pathetic and that was at Central Michigan.:o  Heck, the top MIAA games got nearly as much and the Trine/Kalamazoo game topped that even! 

And finally, as sac mentioned that Mike Hart apparently wanted the job at Eastern, I agree that most likely he is probably not staying. It will be interesting to see where he ends up. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafan4life on December 23, 2013, 01:08:01 AM
per footballscoop.com
Alma College (D-III - MI): Sources tell us that offensive coordinator / offensive line coach Nate Cochran will not return next season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 24, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
To all the MIAA posters, I wish you and your families a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Heathy NewYear! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on January 01, 2014, 12:37:14 PM
Wishing all the MIAA posters and their families a Happy and Healthy New Year!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 21, 2014, 08:12:45 AM
I posted this over on the CCIW board, however, thought I would post it here as well (and also, in part, because our board has been "dead" much more than the other boards and we could use some "stimulus" here, although that didn't seem to work for the nation Perhaps it will help here, however. Oops! :o ::) ;D)...


I'm not sure how many of you have been following the hearings on the union organizing bid that some Northwestern University players are trying to pull (no doubt many of you are).  However, I had to laugh at the statement that former outgoing (graduating) QB Kain Colter made in his testimony yesterday that he couldn't take the pre-med curriculum due to his not having enough time to do so because of his football activities!  What a joke and the most lame excuse.  There are plenty of examples of players at his school and the DI level (not to forget mentioning all those football players who do it at DIII and some at DII) who make the time and "make the grade" in pre-med and go on medical school while participating in football all four years.  He seems to forget it is a matter of "time management", which it seems he chose to concentrate merely on his football activities.  Or perhaps he just didn't have what it takes to "cut it" in pre-med, although since he is obviously graduating from Northwestern, that tells me the former premise is really the answer.  You make your own choices and live with the consequences.

Also, I don't know where most of you stand on this issue, however, I'll just offer my own opinion here.  I am not in favor of this union bid, yet if it is allowed, then the players should be made to pay taxes and that taken out of their pay, just like everyone else is mandated to do.  It is interesting because we haven't heard one word at all about that aspect during these hearings-at least it has not been reported on in the media (although the latter doesn't surprise me).  Obviously, we'll have to wait and see how this hearing turns out, although if it is ruled in favor, I think there will be even more of a mess to deal with in college football. >:( :(  Anyway, what are some of your thoughts anyone? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2014, 07:27:44 PM
If the curriculum that you choose conflicts with your football, then you have to decide which one will take you further in life.  For 99% of the players I suspect focusing on the educational side is the best long term decision.  If playing football prevents you from taking pre-med classes, then so be it.  No one is holding a gun to your head making you play football.  If the demands of playing DI football cut in to your educational prospects, then don't play DI football.  Or find a school that is more accommodating of your educational goals while still allowing you to play football. 
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2014, 07:51:41 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2014, 07:27:44 PM
If the curriculum that you choose conflicts with your football, then you have to decide which one will take you further in life.  For 99% of the players I suspect focusing on the educational side is the best long term decision.  If playing football prevents you from taking pre-med classes, then so be it.  No one is holding a gun to your head making you play football.  If the demands of playing DI football cut in to your educational prospects, then don't play DI football.  Or find a school that is more accommodating of your educational goals while still allowing you to play football. 


For students not poor enough to get loads of need-based financial aid, but not rich enough to avoid huge student debt, there may well be a financial 'gun to your head' to continue football. 

On the other hand, a pre-med curriculum is NOT a necessity for attending med school - many simply major in biology or combine chemistry and biology.  Some even major in something they find interesting which is totally unrelated, as long as they have sufficient background to get admitted.

Within reason, I think coaches need to be more flexible.  A player missing all or part of one practice a week due to a class is not the end of the world.  There ARE examples (not many) of players who followed an NFL career with a career in medicine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
I am probably a little naive when it comes to how athletic scholarships work, but I would think that if you are good enough to get an athletic scholarship at a DI school, AND you are also concerned about receiving a quality education, you can make that known at the time of recruitment so that it is understood from the beginning that you intend to get an education along with playing football.  If a coach does not feel you will be dedicated enough for football, I suspect you will be able to find a school that will be more willing to work with you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2014, 08:12:22 PM
I also agree with you 100% Mr Ypsi about coaches needing to be flexible, in spite of all the pressure they have to win.  I think the pressures vary depending on the goals of the university and that can ultimately drive the culture on campus.  You hear more about winning percentages than graduating percentages, although there are exceptions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2014, 08:20:39 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
I am probably a little naive when it comes to how athletic scholarships work, but I would think that if you are good enough to get an athletic scholarship at a DI school, AND you are also concerned about receiving a quality education, you can make that known at the time of recruitment so that it is understood from the beginning that you intend to get an education along with playing football.  If a coach does not feel you will be dedicated enough for football, I suspect you will be able to find a school that will be more willing to work with you.

Agreed.  If a coach is unwilling to bend for class schedules (within reason), there is bound to be a better school with scholarships.

Probably part of the problem is that (at the athletically-elite D1 schools) coaches have gotten so used to 'students' who don't give a sh*t about an education that they are not willing to bend for those who DO.

I yearn for the days of coaches like Bo Schembechler.  While I was at grad school at UM, a fellow TA got leaned on pretty hard by an asst. coach to change a grade for a football player.  He was a foreign student and came to me for advice on what to do.  I told him to tell the department head, who promptly call Bo.  The asst. coach was cleaning out his desk later that same day! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 03, 2014, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2014, 08:20:39 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
I am probably a little naive when it comes to how athletic scholarships work, but I would think that if you are good enough to get an athletic scholarship at a DI school, AND you are also concerned about receiving a quality education, you can make that known at the time of recruitment so that it is understood from the beginning that you intend to get an education along with playing football.  If a coach does not feel you will be dedicated enough for football, I suspect you will be able to find a school that will be more willing to work with you.

Agreed. If a coach is unwilling to bend for class schedules (within reason), there is bound to be a better school with scholarships.

Probably part of the problem is that (at the athletically-elite D1 schools) coaches have gotten so used to 'students' who don't give a sh*t about an education that they are not willing to bend for those who DO.

I yearn for the days of coaches like Bo Schembechler.  While I was at grad school at UM, a fellow TA got leaned on pretty hard by an asst. coach to change a grade for a football player.  He was a foreign student and came to me for advice on what to do.  I told him to tell the department head, who promptly call Bo.  The asst. coach was cleaning out his desk later that same day!

Awesome story, Mr. Ypsi, +k.  I agree with your comments as well.  Regarding the Northwestern situation, I can't imagine that Head Coach Fitzgerald would not have a similar attitude/policy like the one Bo had that you describe, given what we have seen about him as a player in his days at NU and now in his coaching career there, although admittedly, I don't know him at all.  Yet, I, too, knew about the atmosphere that Bo had that you describe there.

I realize that it is DIII, however, that was the same atmosphere and policy that we had a Hope College (and still do) back in my own playing days there.  Now retired Head Coach Ray Smith (a DI player and All-American himself at UCLA) had his rules that as a player, you were required to go to class and labs on those days in the afternoons those were scheduled instead of coming to practice and it did NOT affect your playing time.  Of course, it was encouraged and worked out for our schedules to minimize that as much as possible and it ended up being only one day during the week for almost everyone that had to.  However, if you blew off class and came to practice, that is the only situation it could affect your playing time or, at the very least, make you a member of the "1000 Yard Club" after practice for a very long time (i.e. running 1,000 yards at the end of each day's practice)-ouch! :o ::) ;D  Aside from the "breathtaking" experience that was ;D ;), it was also no fun in trying to make it back to the locker room, shower and get to the cafeteria before it closed!  I never was a member of that prestigious club, however, several of my teammates missed a few meals that way and had to settle for a crappy slice of pizza down on the corner grease pub and/or hit McDonald's on a few occasions! ;)

In all seriousness, though, you are right that there are places still even in DI where the focus is in the proper priority. You can have football and academics working together and succeed with high success.  But my point also, was that the athlete has to be on board with that also and, again, I still have my doubts about the Colter situation, although I am not so adamant as to not admit I could be wrong about that specific situation.  Anyway, thanks for sharing your insight and the Schembechler story.  I won't even ask about how it was in that regard at Eastern Michigan when you were teaching there, although I have an idea as I think you have shared a few tid-bits about that in the past. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 03, 2014, 04:17:14 PM
Mr. Ypsi

Thank You for relaying that story, I do not want to sound like a shill but BO and many others from that era were truly like a father or great mentor.
Unfortunatley it has become quite the business at every level, tough to see that integrity at many schools.
Regarding "gun to your head" finances, sadly it is that way for many Athletes whom wish to be students.

It flat out amazes me how many players are 5th year seniors, I see some 6 year players in many of the Uiversities. MSU had a DL guy whom arrived early in his Seinor year of HS and still was on his 6th full season at MSU last year. Grey shirt, Red shirt and arrived early.

It is more than possible to be a solid student with a "pre-med" or speciality based undergrad, it is about placing that as a priority and taking advantage of the tutors and optional dates to accommidate the travel etc...   Not easy but that is the price you pay to get the advantages and opportunities that so few ever will.

I still say it is out of whack ( technical term ) as I have 3 children whom all attended universities with good to outstanding grades.  2 as Athletes 1 turned down the monies to pursue program and study abraod opprotunites.  The reason I say that is College is supposed to be about education, my child whom turned down monies hits on 2 great disparities in the Scholarship game. 1st she is female ( less monies for athletics as they draw less income to the university ) 2nd she is/was extremely high GPA, ACT/SAT etc..  and had to fight of her monies / frowned upon if she was to play a sport  indfference to accept educational opportunites could not accept both and get same monies. True the stipulations were location / program specific I am sure she could have found a University to accept the both, yet not at same academic level or reputation.   

Good topic that will continue to become a more of a abused area, or maybe just more visable with all of the means of Social media now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 10, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
D3DB

I was wondering if you could help me with a little info RE: Hope.

Does Hope have Club Hockey for Women?

My son mentioned to me a family friend of his was asking him about Hope College, she has attended a Soccer Game/s at Hope and liked the "feel" as did her daughter. The family is familiar with the Holland area.
The daughter is looking into locations she may be able to get a great education and play Hockey and/or Soccer as she excels in both. Very Good student from a high level parochial school in the Metro Detroit Area, her profile looks solid for a MIAA school. She wants to stay close enough to home to have parents attend when possible. This is all assuming she gets accepted Academically and has the talent, drive to play on the College level in either of the sports.

I know Hope has a strong Soccer program but I am unsure if they offer Hockey
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 14, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: D306 on March 10, 2014, 05:46:39 PM
D3DB

I was wondering if you could help me with a little info RE: Hope.

Does Hope have Club Hockey for Women?

My son mentioned to me a family friend of his was asking him about Hope College, she has attended a Soccer Game/s at Hope and liked the "feel" as did her daughter. The family is familiar with the Holland area.
The daughter is looking into locations she may be able to get a great education and play Hockey and/or Soccer as she excels in both. Very Good student from a high level parochial school in the Metro Detroit Area, her profile looks solid for a MIAA school. She wants to stay close enough to home to have parents attend when possible. This is all assuming she gets accepted Academically and has the talent, drive to play on the College level in either of the sports.

I know Hope has a strong Soccer program but I am unsure if they offer Hockey


D306:

My apologies for the delay in this reply.  Hope has a DIII club collegiate hockey team for men, however, not for women.  Most people think of the club collegiate programs as just that i.e. club and for some of the sports, that is true.  However, Hope's hockey team is in reality a "virtual varsity" in that the college pays for all the ice arena time, the team uses the official college buses for travel, the college also contributes a lot of $ for equipment and uniforms (although the players do have to pay some fees as well), and they play in the Central Collegiate Hockey Conference of the national American Collegiate Hockey Association.  The ACHA is run exactly like the NCAA hockey, with the same eligibility rules, academic requirements, same rules, same recruiting rules in all aspects, full coaching staffs, etc., etc., and has their own national championship each year.  Calvin and Adrian also both have DIII teams in the league (Adrian has two for men). Hope often gets upwards of 800 to near 1,000 spectators for their home games, particularly the huge rival games such as with Calvin or perhaps with Grand Valley State, etc.

Hope's program really should be a true varsity program and I believe that some day it will be (similar to how the lacrosse programs evolved along with the MIAA itself for that sport).  However, the problem is Title IX, i.e. as you have somewhat touched on.  Hope would have to add a women's sport comparable to hockey and I'm not sure there is the interest there in women's hockey, like there is at Adrian.  I've often wondered if Hope could re-establish their women's field hockey team to fill for that requirement for making men's hockey an NCAA program.  $ is not the problem for men's hockey because they already spend it just like they would if it were an NCAA program.

Adrian, of course, also has NCAA Div III men's and women's hockey teams, in addition to their two club collegiate hockey teams, one which one the ACHA National Championship last year.  However, they routinely fill their arena at games for all of these teams- it certainly helps that they have their own on-campus ice arena that is paid for already!  They also rent out skate time to the Adrian community, which helps pay for the cost of maintaining the ice arena as I understand it. 

Overall, I'm sure your friend's daughter would love the Hope women's soccer program because that is a great one as well, just like the men's (you've seen the soccer/lacrosse stadium, which is really fantastic).  However, unfortunately, I don't see a women's club collegiate hockey team at Hope for now in the immediate future-at least I have not heard of any talk or interest regarding the same.  However, I can ask my son-in-law as he is the goalie coach for Hope's men's team.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 15, 2014, 11:07:06 PM
A sad day for Hope.  The hockey team lost the ACHA National championship title game today 1-0 to Adrian's team down in Florida (the arena where the 16 team national championship tournament was held this year was the NHL Florida Panthers practice facility).  Adrian has won it 3 years in a row now, unbelievable.  Hope has been national runner-up 3 out of the last 4 years.  I think we're jinxed. :(  At least they got to the title game again, but not winning one is getting to be very tough and old.  Oh well.  Anyway, congrats to Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on March 18, 2014, 11:34:20 AM
D3DB

Great info and detail as usual
Tough lose the  Bulldogs.  Nice to see the title stay in the state and MIAA

Sorry the delay in reply RE: my original question
Returning from Florida with the crew, a little lighter in the wallet ( lost every skin and possible small bet we have while playing Golf, some I was not even aware I was in😂 ) and burnt from the sun hanging on the berm for Tiger Spring Training games 

Regarding this young lady, I passed on your reply and strongly encouraged her to pay a visit and enquire with Hope Admission  I believe Hope would be a good fit for her.
Special needs educator or special needs Nurse / PA is her current interest


Well onto something outside my question and back to sports   There is a pretty solid group of young men heading to the MIAA and GLIAC to play football from the gossip last week   These young men are mostly SE Michigan based as that is the area the  crew of guys that attend our annual Tigers Spring Training event reside - coach etc....

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 01, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
We bantered a few weeks ago on this board (and the CCIW board) about the Northwestern unionization case.  This article, published today on Grantland, has a few key passages which I agree with:

http://grantland.com/features/northwestern-ncaa-college-athletics-union/

In particular, one thing I tried to hammer in my comments on the CCIW board:

"Let's say, as a hypothetical, that you have a cousin/daughter/friend/niece named Julie. Bright kid. Fiddling around in her dorm room junior year, she invents a new kind of combustion engine that makes cars 50 times more fuel-efficient. It's worth a billion dollars. Julie wants to sell it to GM, but — whoops — it turns out the university owns it and she gets nothing, because she's on an engineering scholarship. Tough break, but Julie can't really complain, right? Because at least she got the college experience.

Or say Julie has a brother named Max. Max writes a novel sophomore year that's the biggest thing since Harry Potter. Months on the best-seller list, major movie deal, the works. Only Max not only can't see a penny from his work — that all goes to the school; thanks, English scholarship! — he also makes the mistake of selling an autographed copy at a book fair. Boom, Max is banned from writing for a year. Not touching a pen will teach Max discipline, because Max obviously has character issues. Probably comes from a troubled home.

Now, if Max and Julie were your cousins/kids/friends/whatever, would you be OK with this deal for them? Of course not, right? In any area other than sports, where decades of rhetoric have beaten us down till we can't see the obvious, you would say that someone who creates a product of enormous value from their own talent and hard work is entitled to many, if not all, of the rewards resulting from that product.  You would say that any contract that worked like an athletic scholarship is padded-wallpaper insane."

And another passage later that I particularly agree with:

"One of the neat strategies you'll see the NCAA's defenders deploy in the wake of the Northwestern ruling is to start throwing out a million practical questions that have yet to be resolved, as though, if you can't immediately answer all of them, they must be totally impossible to solve. "I don't know what happens to their meal cards!" you're supposed to cry in this situation, throwing your hands up to the heavens. "Therefore change is futile and I have no choice but to agree that the student-athlete system is the key to success in the classroom, on the field, and in life!"

But this is ludicrous. Reform of a big organization like the NCAA is inevitably going to involve a lot of tough questions. Maybe Ultimate Frisbee at Middlebury isn't a job in the same way basketball at Kentucky is. Maybe some provision will be necessary to make sure women's sports are treated fairly. But you know what? People build multinational corporations and reasonably functional democracies. People deal with trickier problems than college-sports revenue distribution all the time. Raising objections as though the mere existence of practical difficulties shuts down the conversation is the stalling tactic of an exhausted debater. It's the move of someone with nothing left to defend."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on April 02, 2014, 06:00:59 PM
If Julie is smart enough to invent a new engine she should be smart enough to understand that if her invention is aided by the research labs, professors and classmates of her university- she will be at best sharing in the rewards.

Now, if Julie is so smart and industrious that she can develop this invention entirely independent of the resources provided by the university, then she should go full steam ahead in her privately funded lab and manufacturing plant, resulting in 100% ownership of the profits from her idea.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 03, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
Well, you all put forth some interesting thoughts on the issue.  However, while I'm probably in the minority among many on this issue, nothing is going to change my opinion and I am simply not in favor of it.  It doesn't matter that the university is bringing in $; one aspect that many people seem to forget is that the majority of athletic departments are in the red as they fund all the other sports, pay other "true" employees that make it even possible for these kids to play football, etc.  Moreover, the kids are given a free education period.  If they want spending $, then indeed there needs to be major NCAA reform (and that, I agree, is the NCAA's fault) to allow them to have jobs to EARN their "play $", just like every other student who has to work their arses off to put themselves through school, like many people we know had to do it.  I'm tired of this "you owe me" attitude in today's society by so many of our young people.  Nobody owes them anything, period.

I agree with the Stanford University President who came out the other day and said that if these players want to be employees, then they should just simply forgo college and go directly into the professional ranks.  Of course, the NFL, NBA would have to change their one year rules, however, there certainly are the other professional development and minor league teams for them to go that route initially-and if they are really that good (as many of them think they are), then they should have no problem making it to the big leagues.  And, if this unionization thing really goes through, then those players will need to submit their W-2 forms, pay taxes (have their FICA, SS, etc. taken out) of their paychecks - let's see how much they like that-you'll hear the whining, complaining about that. ::) :P

I've already posted my opinion on Colter's pathetic claim that he didn't have time for pre-med classes-that's simply absurd.  Perhaps he wouldn't have had what it takes to make it through such a curriculum anyway. The real bottom line is exactly what was put forth in some of the media articles the other day and that is what is really the underlying reason that this is being pushed, fueled by those who are pushing the issue, aside from the $ issue. I hope this gets defeated in the end, but then again, it doesn't matter what I think nor will it make any difference.  IMO, a very sad state of our society, but...that's just the way it is. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 03, 2014, 05:20:30 PM
D306:

Thanks and you are welcome.  Also, glad to hear that your Florida trip went well.  We were just down there two weeks ago for a quick trip for a conference I had to go to, but it wasn't a great trip.

Thanks for the info on the fb players headed this way.  Also, hope your friend's daughter likes Hope.  The programs she is interested in are good there. 

I wanted to go to U of M's spring game Sat, however, have to make a quick trip to Chicago for my wife's brother's memorial service (coming back Sat night) as he died about 3 weeks ago.  Anyway, hope all is well with you and yours. Take care.

former
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on April 03, 2014, 06:01:55 PM
Plus k formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 03, 2014, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 03, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
It doesn't matter that the university is bringing in $; one aspect that many people seem to forget is that the majority of athletic departments are in the red as they fund all the other sports, pay other "true" employees that make it even possible for these kids to play football, etc. 

You make a reasonable claim that athletic departments must pay other "true" employees, such as the equipment manager, the janitor, etc.  Fair enough.  No doubt, the athlete spends an equal amount of time and effort during the week preparing for the game on Saturday as the janitor spends cleaning the stadium bathrooms.  Which of these gentlemen is more essential to the product on the field on Saturday - the starting quarterback or the janitor?  Which one has a skill set that's harder to replicate? 

(Not to put down janitors and equipment managers, just making the point)

Peter Ohr's ruling made it clear that the issue was not whether players are "paid enough" for their trouble, but whether they are employees; in fact, part of his justification for ruling them employees was that they ARE compensated with a scholarship.  His ruling does not mean that athletes in revenue sports now must be paid; rather, it means that athletes in revenue sports should be considered employees, rather than students, and should have rights as such.

One sidebar on this point: one of the reasons that many college athletic departments operate so far in the red is that schools pay millions of dollars to coaches and spend millions of dollars on facilities in the name of wooing the athletes (who they can't pay or bid for).  We all have at least one friend or acquaintance in big-time college athletics; we all have some story or knowledge of the exorbitant NON-FINANCIAL benefits the athletes are provided (for example, a friend of mine who ran on the Pitt track team told stories of the vast quantities of protein bars, Muscle Milk, and Gatorade awaiting them after every practice).  This horse has already left the barn long ago, but I think one thing you'd see in a free market is that coaching salaries and expenditures on those "extras" would have been somewhat lower all along, because instead of spending a bajillion dollars on a players' lounge with six Xboxes and leather couches and personal masseuses, the colleges could have just offered the players something which met their more immediately-pressing need: a paycheck!  In that hypothesis, compensation for athletes would not put athletic departments any further in the red than they already are.  The money would just be spent differently.

With all of that said: as I have expressed already, my preference is not that all athletic departments be required to provide athletes a paycheck, but rather that revenue-sport athletes be granted some rights to negotiate their own compensation, collectively or individually, and accept endorsements (more on this one below).  An overlooked piece of the story: if collegiate athletes in revenue sports do form a union, the colleges still have the right to say "No" to providing anything more than a scholarship...although the overwhelming likelihood is that some schools, seeking a competitive advantage, would offer more than that.  Gee, almost like an actual labor market works.  People have skills.  Those skills are in demand.  People with a need or want for those skills find a way to attract the people with skills. 

Quote from: formerd3db on April 03, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
Moreover, the kids are given a free education period...I'm tired of this "you owe me" attitude in today's society by so many of our young people.  Nobody owes them anything, period.

No, they aren't just "given" a free education.  They provide a valuable service/skill/product in return for that education; and it's a service/skill/product that is NOT easily replaceable or fungible.  Furthermore, it is a service/skill/product that people would likely pay far more for than the regulations currently allow.  That's the crux of my issue.  I don't think the athletes are asking for anything more than a chance to realize their own worth and have some basic employee protections.

Quote from: formerd3db on April 03, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
I agree with the Stanford University President who came out the other day and said that if these players want to be employees, then they should just simply forgo college and go directly into the professional ranks.

If that was a viable option, don't you think they would do that?  I'm quite sure they would!  They already do in baseball, where this is allowed and a viable farm system exists...but the age restrictions and lack of minor/developmental leagues in basketball and football make that an unattractive option.  Is an NFL team really going to draft a top prospect that goes and plays Arena football for three years instead of going to college?  One basketball prospect did eschew college in favor of a professional season in Europe before being drafted, but that, also, is an unappealing option for an 18-year-old that's likely never left his hometown.

I've bantered about this with some friends.  I would actually favor expansion of the NBA Developmental League into a full-fledged Developmental League with a farm franchise assigned to each NBA team and no age restriction.  That way, 18-year-olds with designs on a pro career and no interest in college could pursue that immediately; those who desired a college education in additional to pursuit of a basketball career could attend college.

Part of the problem with that is that it would cost the NBA money and the NBA owners have no interest - the system, as currently constructed, works beautifully for them!  Their potential incoming stars go spend a year playing "college" basketball, develop fan followings and become celebrities in their own right, and THEN come to the NBA after a year.  It's a year's worth of free marketing for all of their potential stars.  The NFL, likewise, has no incentive to relax their age restrictions or start a farm system for the same reason - they LOVE the current system, where their players enter the league after a few years of college stardom.  Think of how many Johnny Manziel #2 jerseys will be sold within days of his being drafted by an NFL team owing to his massive popularity.  Why would they change the system when it works great for them already?

Quote from: formerd3db on April 03, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
And, if this unionization thing really goes through, then those players will need to submit their W-2 forms, pay taxes (have their FICA, SS, etc. taken out) of their paychecks - let's see how much they like that-you'll hear the whining, complaining about that. ::) :P

You say this quite smugly, but I think they would gladly submit W-2 forms and pay taxes because that would imply that they were getting paid something to have taxes taken out of!  It's hard to tax a paycheck that doesn't exist!  If I get paid $X and pay 30% taxes on it, I still go home with 70% of X dollars.  If I get paid zero dollars and pay zero taxes, I go home with zero dollars.  Even if the value of the scholarship was considered part of the taxable income (which it isn't, to my knowledge), they would still presumably come out ahead of where they are now...and if not, that's fine, then the market dictated their worth.

Quote from: formerd3db on April 03, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
I've already posted my opinion on Colter's pathetic claim that he didn't have time for pre-med classes-that's simply absurd.  Perhaps he wouldn't have had what it takes to make it through such a curriculum anyway.

This is the second time you've played the "He just didn't have what it takes" card; I doubt that is the case.  I think he's showing admirable courage and articulation in this case.  Someone had to make the first move.  You really think it's that implausible for a Division I player be steered away from a more academically demanding major, or prohibited from missing class for football practice?

Quote from: formerd3db on April 03, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
I hope this gets defeated in the end, but then again, it doesn't matter what I think nor will it make any difference.  IMO, a very sad state of our society, but...that's just the way it is. ;)

I wish to close with a quote from Stewart Mandel in response to the ruling.

"There is plenty of gray area in between those who are salaried professionals and those who are not allowed to accept a free sandwich. The NCAA's age-old amateurism model is already under widespread attack. In the span of about 15 years, a high-end coach's salary has jumped from $1 million to $7 million. Coordinators have gone from making a professor's salary to a mid-level CEO's salary. And an athletic director is receiving a near-$20,000 bonus because one of his wrestlers won an NCAA title. Meanwhile, that same wrestler would be ineligible if he signed an autograph for $20. That dichotomy is no longer ethically tenable."

I think the bolded passage is key.  Ultimately, the outcome that I hope for is NOT turning collegiate athletes into salaried professionals, but rather finding a way to relax the draconian restrictions that prevent athletes from accepting the HINT of a benefit from an athletic department or booster.  I don't want them to get paychecks.  But I do want them to be able to ask their coach for a loan if they're a few bucks short on rent this month - especially given that, for some of these kids, the coach might be one of the only adults they have a close relationship with that has the financial means to offer that.  I do want them to be able to sign a few autographs in the local bookstore and get paid a fee for showing up, or shoot a car commercial if the local dealership asks them to.  I want them to be able to sell their own memorabilia (A.J. Green is given a game-worn jersey by the school, but he's not allowed to sell it?  Isn't the idea of a gift that it's yours and you can do anything you want with it?)  While I don't think that unionization is a viable model, I am glad that the athletes won because I hope it will eventually force the NCAA to offer the players a chance to negotiate for something better than they're getting right now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 04, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
My only comment is they opened Pandora's box.
Hope they like what comes with being accountable, when players get their DUI, or questionable actions and lose their Scholly we will see how smart they think they are. This opens the door for Universities to "cut" players whom are a bust as it is always easy to find a way to show player broke a few rules. Just think how the Universities will work this angle, man these guys will be paid more than most of us, between under the table monies and educational, housing costs, oh yes the mom or dad just became a "adviser" or adjunct Prof. maybe a trainer or "quality control"
I trust it fails, yet if it hopefully it raises a little more accountability in the NCAA, they are a joke.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on April 04, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: D306 on April 04, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
My only comment is they opened Pandora's box.
Hope they like what comes with being accountable, when players get their DUI, or questionable actions and lose their Scholly we will see how smart they think they are. This opens the door for Universities to "cut" players whom are a bust as it is always easy to find a way to show player broke a few rules. Just think how the Universities will work this angle, man these guys will be paid more than most of us, between under the table monies and educational, housing costs, oh yes the mom or dad just became a "adviser" or adjunct Prof. maybe a trainer or "quality control"
I trust it fails, yet if it hopefully it raises a little more accountability in the NCAA, they are a joke.

And don't leave out the impact it will have on high school athletes that will now do even less in school because they see college football as their pay day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on April 04, 2014, 11:18:54 PM
Quote from: emma17 on April 04, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: D306 on April 04, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
My only comment is they opened Pandora's box.
Hope they like what comes with being accountable, when players get their DUI, or questionable actions and lose their Scholly we will see how smart they think they are. This opens the door for Universities to "cut" players whom are a bust as it is always easy to find a way to show player broke a few rules. Just think how the Universities will work this angle, man these guys will be paid more than most of us, between under the table monies and educational, housing costs, oh yes the mom or dad just became a "adviser" or adjunct Prof. maybe a trainer or "quality control"
I trust it fails, yet if it hopefully it raises a little more accountability in the NCAA, they are a joke.

And don't leave out the impact it will have on high school athletes that will now do even less in school because they see college football as their pay day.

Universities would still have to follow scholarship restrictions and the dreaded academic progress rate (aka  APR).  Too low of a grade for too long and you are ineligible for the post-season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on April 05, 2014, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: sac on April 04, 2014, 11:18:54 PM
Quote from: emma17 on April 04, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: D306 on April 04, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
My only comment is they opened Pandora's box.
Hope they like what comes with being accountable, when players get their DUI, or questionable actions and lose their Scholly we will see how smart they think they are. This opens the door for Universities to "cut" players whom are a bust as it is always easy to find a way to show player broke a few rules. Just think how the Universities will work this angle, man these guys will be paid more than most of us, between under the table monies and educational, housing costs, oh yes the mom or dad just became a "adviser" or adjunct Prof. maybe a trainer or "quality control"
I trust it fails, yet if it hopefully it raises a little more accountability in the NCAA, they are a joke.

And don't leave out the impact it will have on high school athletes that will now do even less in school because they see college football as their pay day.

Universities would still have to follow scholarship restrictions and the dreaded academic progress rate (aka  APR).  Too low of a grade for too long and you are ineligible for the post-season.

This is one of the problems- unintended consequences.  How do any of us know what rules will be in place as college athletes become employees and are alllowed to negotiate their revenue rights as some people would like to see?  Will we see EEOC claims when the second string QB sues for racial discrimination?  How about an age discrimination lawsuit when the senior QB is passed over for the slightly lesser ready Sophomore QB?  Unintended consequences.
If we just stick to the real issue- Improve the commitment of all people to education.  Let all that flows from rule making first be filtered through the sole goal of college kids earning college degrees. 

There are improvements that can be made to the current scholarship system that don't require a court battle over the student athlete's status as an employee.    They should be students without gray area. 
Change the rules on eligibility to the pro ranks for those kids that simply don't want to earn a degree. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 06, 2014, 02:08:51 PM
ExTartan:

I obviously disagree with you on many of these various aspects involved with "the issue".

And, yes, it is the second time I played that "card" regarding Colter.  You can't deny that if he really wanted to go the pre-med route, he would have found a way to do it and make it work.  I think I know a little more about that aspect than you (no disrespect intended towards you, my friend ;)) and I simply doubt that Coach Fitzgerald would not have helped him and/or supported him if that is what he wanted to do.  While we obviously don't know all the specific details in his situation, the history at Northwestern and  circumstantial evidence simply do not support Colter's allegations.  If there was/is any evidence, he should publically state ALL the facts in regards to his situation...at the very least, it is the right/ethical thing to do.

I also think that emma, D306 and sac have pointed out some situations that are legit and could very likely happen (of course speculation is difficult, but usually ends up being correct in many instances-aka Obamacare ;D!).  But D306 scored the TD with his great comment of the age-old but tested cliché phrase when he said "They've opened Pandora's Box".  All I can say is "look out"! ;D I've pretty much stated my opinions on this entire issue, so I'll try to refrain from making any further comments for the discussion (I said, I will try, didn't promise ;D :o ;)).     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 07, 2014, 07:03:07 AM
OK so I thought I would only have a brief comment on this subject. :-X well shot that idea down
Look at this NCAA Basketball Tourney.
Someone please try to convince me that any of the UK "student athlete's" ( or many other one and done schools/players ) even make an attempt to show up in class. I do not blame them that is the process to get into the NBA now. A "unholy" arrangement with the NBA and Universities.
They all went there for 1 semester by the time grades come out or end up on some type of failing grades review at school ( 2 consecutive failing semesters while taking reduced schedule and basket weaving) they will be on to the NBA. This is not all of the "one and done" players yet what is the motivation to be a student? If they know this is just a 1 year free ride and pre NBA interview.

College sports on the highest level have sold their souls for money. 18-19 year old kids are running the game as I laugh at the lengths schools go to recruit these guys.
Sad as sports teach many lessons and offer opportunities to many whom had limited access to a quality education ( I am a prime example), or would have to do it the "old fashioned way" part time while working.
I am not delusional to think everything is / was perfect in Major College sports yet there is little doubt things are out of hand now. NCAA rules are restrictive and un equally applied while out of date to the current pace of life and technology as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on April 07, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
Quote from: D306 on April 07, 2014, 07:03:07 AM
OK so I thought I would only have a brief comment on this subject. :-X well shot that idea down
Look at this NCAA Basketball Tourney.
Someone please try to convince me that any of the UK "student athlete's" ( or many other one and done schools/players ) even make an attempt to show up in class. I do not blame them that is the process to get into the NBA now. A "unholy" arrangement with the NBA and Universities.
They all went there for 1 semester by the time grades come out or end up on some type of failing grades review at school ( 2 consecutive failing semesters while taking reduced schedule and basket weaving) they will be on to the NBA. This is not all of the "one and done" players yet what is the motivation to be a student? If they know this is just a 1 year free ride and pre NBA interview.

College sports on the highest level have sold their souls for money. 18-19 year old kids are running the game as I laugh at the lengths schools go to recruit these guys.
Sad as sports teach many lessons and offer opportunities to many whom had limited access to a quality education ( I am a prime example), or would have to do it the "old fashioned way" part time while working.
I am not delusional to think everything is / was perfect in Major College sports yet there is little doubt things are out of hand now. NCAA rules are restrictive and un equally applied while out of date to the current pace of life and technology as well.

It needn't be over-complicated. Make college all about getting a degree. Once that is THE reason for its existence, all else will fall in place.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on April 07, 2014, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: emma17 on April 07, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
Quote from: D306 on April 07, 2014, 07:03:07 AM
OK so I thought I would only have a brief comment on this subject. :-X well shot that idea down
Look at this NCAA Basketball Tourney.
Someone please try to convince me that any of the UK "student athlete's" ( or many other one and done schools/players ) even make an attempt to show up in class. I do not blame them that is the process to get into the NBA now. A "unholy" arrangement with the NBA and Universities.
They all went there for 1 semester by the time grades come out or end up on some type of failing grades review at school ( 2 consecutive failing semesters while taking reduced schedule and basket weaving) they will be on to the NBA. This is not all of the "one and done" players yet what is the motivation to be a student? If they know this is just a 1 year free ride and pre NBA interview.

College sports on the highest level have sold their souls for money. 18-19 year old kids are running the game as I laugh at the lengths schools go to recruit these guys.
Sad as sports teach many lessons and offer opportunities to many whom had limited access to a quality education ( I am a prime example), or would have to do it the "old fashioned way" part time while working.
I am not delusional to think everything is / was perfect in Major College sports yet there is little doubt things are out of hand now. NCAA rules are restrictive and un equally applied while out of date to the current pace of life and technology as well.

It needn't be over-complicated. Make college all about getting a degree. Once that is THE reason for its existence, all else will fall in place.

Billions and billions of dollars makes it complicated, unfortunately.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 07, 2014, 01:14:40 PM
Quote from: D306 on April 07, 2014, 07:03:07 AM
Someone please try to convince me that any of the UK "student athlete's" ( or many other one and done schools/players ) even make an attempt to show up in class. I do not blame them that is the process to get into the NBA now. A "unholy" arrangement with the NBA and Universities. They all went there for 1 semester by the time grades come out or end up on some type of failing grades review at school ( 2 consecutive failing semesters while taking reduced schedule and basket weaving) they will be on to the NBA. This is not all of the "one and done" players yet what is the motivation to be a student? If they know this is just a 1 year free ride and pre NBA interview.

Oh, I agree with you that Kentucky's collection of one-and-done kids year after year is making a mockery of the notion that these championships are played by "student-athletes."  However, I don't blame the kids, or even John Calipari, for what they're doing in the current system.  He recruits kids that want to play professional basketball, many of them as quickly as possible.  The NBA's age limit prevents them from doing so straight out of high school.  Under the current system, going to "college" to play "college" basketball is by far the most attractive option.  I posted this exact comment on the previous page, just copying here because it's relevant to this comment.

"I would actually favor expansion of the NBA Developmental League into a full-fledged Developmental League with a farm franchise assigned to each NBA team and no age restriction.  That way, 18-year-olds with designs on a pro career and no interest in college could pursue that immediately; those who desired a college education in additional to pursuit of a basketball career could attend college.

Part of the problem with that is that it would cost the NBA money and the NBA owners have no interest - the system, as currently constructed, works beautifully for them!  Their potential incoming stars go spend a year playing "college" basketball, develop fan followings and become celebrities in their own right, and THEN come to the NBA after a year.  It's a year's worth of free marketing for all of their potential stars.  The NFL, likewise, has no incentive to relax their age restrictions or start a farm system for the same reason - they LOVE the current system, where their players enter the league after a few years of college stardom.  Think of how many Johnny Manziel #2 jerseys will be sold within days of his being drafted by an NFL team owing to his massive popularity.  Why would they change the system when it works great for them already?"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 07, 2014, 02:57:45 PM
Yep. ExTP has it on the head. How many people can name a minor league baseball player? Even if you could, it is nowhere near the star potential of a college football player, a college basketball player, or even the star college baseball player. The D1 system is a free minor league for the professionals, with a massive marketing budget and tv exposure, and they are perfectly happy about the side benefits. Big time college basketball and football has very little to do with promoting student athletes. That's not to say there aren't a lot of student athletes, even a vast majority, taking advantages of the scholarships to get a good college education. In football, especially, I believe this to be true. Not so much in basketball, check out the transfer rates of D1 basketball players and tell me they aren't spending more time jostling for playing space then class time!

But the fact is, the NCAA D1 system is broken. There are two ways to fix it. Drive it back to a student run enterprise, which faces problems from fans who have grown used to the level of competition and product on the field, or push it toward a professional minor league, which faces problems from people who believe in student athletics and amateurism. The hybrid system that exists right now, where the product is professional but the people are amateurs obligated to so things that they have little or no interest in doing, is a failure.

Personally I think the professional leagues should pay for and maintain their own development leagues. This works in baseball, hockey, and soccer both nationally and globally. Globally it woks in basketball, volleyball, rugby, and almost all individual sports like tennis and golf have tiered professional systems. American football and basketball should have to put up their own money and create a system of development leagues as well. The NCAA should mandate the baseball rule across all sports. You can go to a professional league out of h.s. if you want and they will pay you. If you go to college, you stay at least 3 years before becoming professionally eligible again. Further, those schools should be HARSHLY judged on the kids that enroll on their performance in class over those 3 years and the remaining eligibility. Kids that choose college should not be doing so just to give themselves more time to develop athletically, but to do so in order to earn a degree. The APR should be bostered and strictly enforced.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 07, 2014, 03:23:02 PM
Adam Silver, the current NBA commissioner, is on record saying that he would prefer a two year waiting period rather than the current one year.  Of course it would have to be negoiated with the NBA players association before anything could change and it doesn't really solve the problem. 

That doesn't mean that the NCAA is completely powerless to implement change.  If the NCAA were to count all of the players including the one and done athletes it wouldn't be long before a program like Kentucky would be ineligible for post season play.  My hunch is that would change their recruiting significantly.  As it stands now those players are only counted if they leave the university in bad academic standing.  This is one of two exceptions.  So they take nonsense courses the first semester and establish their academic standing.  Then they drop out before the second semester grades are final and they've left the university in good academic standing and aren't counted.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on April 07, 2014, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 07, 2014, 03:23:02 PM
Adam Silver, the current NBA commissioner, is on record saying that he would prefer a two year waiting period rather than the current one year.  Of course it would have to be negoiated with the NBA players association before anything could change and it doesn't really solve the problem. 

That doesn't mean that the NCAA is completely powerless to implement change.  If the NCAA were to count all of the players including the one and done athletes it wouldn't be long before a program like Kentucky would be ineligible for post season play.  My hunch is that would change their recruiting significantly.  As it stands now those players are only counted if they leave the university in bad academic standing.  This is one of two exceptions.  So they take nonsense courses the first semester and establish their academic standing.  Then they drop out before the second semester grades are final and they've left the university in good academic standing and aren't counted. 

I think the NCAA and the NBA really need to work together more than they are currently to find a system that benefits basketball as a whole.  That said, the NCAA's problems are certainly not the NBA's problems and vice versa.  The NCAA could, in theory, harshly penalize schools who have players turn professional after a year or two...but why?  Why would the NCAA, who has sold the rights to their tournament for BILLIONS of dollars (and the presidents of member institutions, whose conferences both profit immensely from their own television networks and from broadcast rights sold to national networks like ESPN, CBS, and Fox) not want centerpieces like Carmelo Anthony, Anthony Davis, Jabari Parker, Wiggins, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Kevin Durant, etc. etc. etc. from being part of their entertainment product even if only for a year?  You want those stars, even for one season...they are worth millions (which apparently then gets largely distributed amongst powerful-but-talentless administrators). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on April 07, 2014, 10:15:56 PM
I get the billions of dollars part of it, yet I believe a "degree first" emphasis is the way to address this without continuing unintended consequences. 
I'm not so sure the NBA would lose money in the long run anyway.  If all of Kentucky's players stayed in college another three years, it's not as though ticket sales in the NBA suffer.  Yes, there would be marketing losses as jerseys  aren't sold.  However, imagine three years down the road when these Kentucky basketball players graduate and then enter the draft.  I'll tell you one thing for sure, the NBA would gain at least one new fan- me.  I don't even watch the NBA anymore.  Let me follow a kid play over four years in college and then have him join the Bulls- I'll be watching the NBA again.  And I've no doubt whatsoever there are many, many people just like me that would love the watch the NBA again.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 08, 2014, 06:53:11 AM
Great Comments everyone +1 for all

Karma helps with the UConn win last night
I hate to see Calipari and Kentucky rewarded for flat out ignoring any kind of education program being involved.
He has had former 2 schools wins vacated, yet we honor him for continuing to play the edges of the NCAA rules.

Emma I agree NBA basketball is unwatchable, I do not and could not care about the "league"
Homer calls, walking, carry, travel, offensive charging are all part of the star treatment that makes the game stand around the perimeter and watch the superstar go one on one
I play slight attention to the playoffs and finals. At least the effort increases and there is a little defense played at that point.

OTA have started, spring ball is complete or in process for some schools, we are waking up from a LOOONG Winter

Great to see the interaction on the website
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 08, 2014, 09:24:11 AM
Before you start giving uconn karma for their basketball team you need to dig deeper. Arguably one of the worst programs from an academic standpoint in the last 10 years. I think something like one graduate over that time. The Huskies are as pitiful if not more than any major college basketball program. Just another scholar athlete joke in the NCAA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 08, 2014, 09:58:54 AM
UConn was actually ineligible to participate in the post season last year due to their APR ranking.  They appealed and applied for a waiver but the request was denied by the NCAA. 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7562956/ncaa-denies-connecticut-huskies-request-apr-waiver-2013-postseason
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 08, 2014, 10:19:19 AM
Here's a good summation of UConn's academic woes, although it does point out that they are getting better:

http://articles.courant.com/2013-10-24/sports/hc-uconn-men-1025-20131024_1_uconn-men-gsr-basketball
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on April 08, 2014, 10:39:18 AM
13 Huskies are in the Association.  This year those players are making an average of $5,886,817.  The average career salary to date of those 13 is $53,929,597.  Is UConn really failing those players? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 08, 2014, 10:49:50 AM
Not if the university's mission is to prepare athletes for the professional leagues.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on April 08, 2014, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 08, 2014, 10:49:50 AM
Not if the university's mission is to prepare athletes for the professional leagues.

We're talking about something like 15 athletes on a basketball team each academic year vs. 18,000 undergrads at the university.  Is it fair to judge whether or not the university is achieving its mission based on an examination of less than one-tenth of one percent of the student body? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on April 08, 2014, 11:11:05 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on April 08, 2014, 10:39:18 AM
13 Huskies are in the Association.  This year those players are making an average of $5,886,817.  The average career salary to date of those 13 is $53,929,597.  Is UConn really failing those players?

Yes, there are 13 Huskies in the NBA beginning with Ray Allen who started at UConn in 1993. Assuming 4 recruits per year, that is 21 years of recruiting and 84 kids. 13 are in the NBA, about 15%. What about the other 85% of basketball players at a school that had one, count them one, basketball recruit from 2003 to 2006 graduate?

Not all of those 85% failed to graduate, but a significant number did. UConn is failing a significant number and a very small number is going on to fabulous riches. I wish I had the percentage of recruits from 1993 to 2013 graduating classes who failed to get a degree. That is the most important number. Just my guess, but I bet it isn't pretty.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on April 08, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 08, 2014, 11:11:05 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on April 08, 2014, 10:39:18 AM
13 Huskies are in the Association.  This year those players are making an average of $5,886,817.  The average career salary to date of those 13 is $53,929,597.  Is UConn really failing those players?

Yes, there are 13 Huskies in the NBA beginning with Ray Allen who started at UConn in 1993. Assuming 4 recruits per year, that is 21 years of recruiting and 84 kids. 13 are in the NBA, about 15%. What about the other 85% of basketball players at a school that had one, count them one, basketball recruit from 2003 to 2006 graduate?

Not all of those 85% failed to graduate, but a significant number did. UConn is failing a significant number and a very small number is going on to fabulous riches. I wish I had the percentage of recruits from 1993 to 2013 graduating classes who failed to get a degree. That is the most important number. Just my guess, but I bet it isn't pretty.

Plus k for keeping the focus on education/degree as the purpose of college.

The more our culture applauds big athletic contracts over college degrees the harder it becomes to right the course this country is on.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on April 08, 2014, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: emma17 on April 08, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 08, 2014, 11:11:05 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on April 08, 2014, 10:39:18 AM
13 Huskies are in the Association.  This year those players are making an average of $5,886,817.  The average career salary to date of those 13 is $53,929,597.  Is UConn really failing those players?

Yes, there are 13 Huskies in the NBA beginning with Ray Allen who started at UConn in 1993. Assuming 4 recruits per year, that is 21 years of recruiting and 84 kids. 13 are in the NBA, about 15%. What about the other 85% of basketball players at a school that had one, count them one, basketball recruit from 2003 to 2006 graduate?

Not all of those 85% failed to graduate, but a significant number did. UConn is failing a significant number and a very small number is going on to fabulous riches. I wish I had the percentage of recruits from 1993 to 2013 graduating classes who failed to get a degree. That is the most important number. Just my guess, but I bet it isn't pretty.

Plus k for keeping the focus on education/degree as the purpose of college.

The more our culture applauds big athletic contracts over college degrees the harder it becomes to right the course this country is on.

Whoa whoa whoa.  I'm not sure when we decided to make the plight of the Division I student-athlete (who are a teeny tiny percentage of the collective student bodies at those institutions...the other 99% are in class and studying their tails off just like we want them to) and make it a microcosm of the ills of society at large.  That seems extreme. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 08, 2014, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on April 08, 2014, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: emma17 on April 08, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 08, 2014, 11:11:05 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on April 08, 2014, 10:39:18 AM
13 Huskies are in the Association.  This year those players are making an average of $5,886,817.  The average career salary to date of those 13 is $53,929,597.  Is UConn really failing those players?

Yes, there are 13 Huskies in the NBA beginning with Ray Allen who started at UConn in 1993. Assuming 4 recruits per year, that is 21 years of recruiting and 84 kids. 13 are in the NBA, about 15%. What about the other 85% of basketball players at a school that had one, count them one, basketball recruit from 2003 to 2006 graduate?

Not all of those 85% failed to graduate, but a significant number did. UConn is failing a significant number and a very small number is going on to fabulous riches. I wish I had the percentage of recruits from 1993 to 2013 graduating classes who failed to get a degree. That is the most important number. Just my guess, but I bet it isn't pretty.

Plus k for keeping the focus on education/degree as the purpose of college.

The more our culture applauds big athletic contracts over college degrees the harder it becomes to right the course this country is on.

Whoa whoa whoa.  I'm not sure when we decided to make the plight of the Division I student-athlete (who are a teeny tiny percentage of the collective student bodies at those institutions...the other 99% are in class and studying their tails off just like we want them to) and make it a microcosm of the ills of society at large.  That seems extreme.

Actually, Wally, there are many people who would disagree with you on that one.  Some would say (and they have a legitimate point) that indeed is the very basis of what is the driving problem in society today.  Despite the small % of athletes in the group we are discussing, the misguided "end all, be all" goal of making tons and tons of $ that they have made as being the main aspect of success from the very beginning and one's only goal (of making to the NBA, NFL, etc.,etc.) is the problem because the young kids of today follow that, idiolize those players and it becomes, in their minds, as what is the "norm in society".  I guess it probably is in some respects and that, IMO, is simply sad.  The whole thing is totally out-of-control at all levels on both sides.

Oh, and I don't watch the NBA anymore either.  It is ridiculous. ;)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 09, 2014, 12:16:24 PM
Just to be clear on my point.
While I applaud the current UConn players I do not in any way condone the Universities complete lack of compliance to Academic Progress.
Nor do I like their players running his mouth about being dis-respected after they won the game. Your school broke the rules, sucks for you that you could not play last year oh well comes with the school does it not?

KY and UConn are perfect examples of what we are all raging about on this thread.

Education went out the window a long time ago.

The system is corrupt and it is all about monies to be gained.

I do not have the solutions but a true minor league, mandatory academic monitoring, no question about punishment for the university and the Coach no more nomad coach's taking their lies and corrupt selves on the road to the next gig.

Great event coming NHL playoffs every team that makes it in has a shot and these guys literally put them selves on the line to fight through to the next round. Hopefully the Red Wings get a little healthy if so they will make a run more young depth and legs than they have had in years
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on April 09, 2014, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: D306 on April 09, 2014, 12:16:24 PM
Just to be clear on my point.
While I applaud the current UConn players I do not in any way condone the Universities complete lack of compliance to Academic Progress.
Nor do I like their players running his mouth about being dis-respected after they won the game. Your school broke the rules, sucks for you that you could not play last year oh well comes with the school does it not?

I'm probably tapping out on this conversation because I kind of feel like the kid who needs to get off everybody's lawn, but there are a couple of points to be made about APR and the UConn kids.  First, the AA snapped their fingers and changed the floor for the APR requirement pretty arbitrarily (the APR is kind of an arbitrary and meaningless thing anyway) and UConn all of a sudden got caught under the line.  Now should UConn have been flirting with the baseline to begin with?  Probably not, but they were in compliance until one day the NCAA just kind of decided that they weren't.  I think the program probably didn't deserve the probation they got in 2012-2013.  Second, if those kids want to use their platform to lash out against the NCAA, so be it.  Why did those players have to suffer because a bunch of players five and six years ago didn't go to class?  And every team- EVERY team- at every level plays the disrespect, nobody believed in us, us against the world card all of the time.  Should we be surprised that this group of players, who got sort of unfairly dumped on last year, played that card?  They're one of the very few cases where that kind of rhetoric actually isn't totally make believe. 

It's a good debate, fellas.  It's one where I think people are pretty firmly dug in on one side or the other.  It's going to be interesting to see in the months and next few years to come how the NCAA reforms itself with respect to the treatment of student athletes.  I hope everybody can find a solution where S-A's get what's fair and the schools can continue to operate wide-ranging athletics programs (funded primarily by two sports) that provide higher education opportunities for so many young people.  But it can't continue to exist the way that it is.  I think that much is beyond debate. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 09, 2014, 11:30:59 PM
D306 and Wally:

Good comments, both of you.  D306 you are very astute and truthful as usual.

Also, Wally, I agree with you about the unfairness in those types of situations.  However, there is one aspect that those kids just don't understand (and, I guess I am just "old-school" about this and won't change) and that is something called humbleness.  While that kid was right about the disrespect in one sense and has every right to express his opinion, at the same time, there is a better and more appropriate way (and time) to do that and not like he did on national television.  That is one thing that these kids of today just simply don't understand, but that is just the way it is in society today because someone in their family or close to them failed to teach them that "stuff", like many of us had the very good fortune of parents who did.  And that is the parents fault (or whoever was responsible for their upbringing).  Sad in many respects, but, again, like D306 has articulated, that is just the way it is today. 

A good discussion everyone, and Wally you are very right; all of us are going to come down on this one side or the other and stick to it! :)  Talk to you guys later. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 10, 2014, 11:32:37 AM
I can see the unfairness of punishing today's athletes over something that happened six years ago but the fact remains that every NCAA school had to live with what happened six years ago just as UConn did. 

Wally, though I disagree with it, I respect and understand your position. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 10, 2014, 04:39:09 PM
UW-Milwaukee's appeal has been denied and they will be ineligible for the NCAA post season next year.  Odds are they wouldn't have made the post season next year anyway. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on April 16, 2014, 09:56:46 PM
Wishing all the MIAA posters a Happy and Safe Easter! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 22, 2014, 06:30:33 AM
Raider I hope your Holiday was good.
I was in West MI over the long weekend, had a chance to see Hope upgraded field for the first time after Easter Mass and also I noticed some new construction on Campus.
Looking good a lot of foot traffic in area.

Another interesting off season with Keyshawn getting in trouble again, Pryor getting sent packing to Seattle for a 7th round pick after another lost season at QB. Wonder if Seahawks try some direct snaps or wildcat. I have no idea why you would pick him up except that a 7th round pick is almost a throw away for some teams. I would take a shot on a undersized / not highly promoted player from a small college at a position of need. More heart more effort no baggage.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 22, 2014, 08:42:14 AM
Quote from: D306 on April 22, 2014, 06:30:33 AM
Another interesting off season with Keyshawn getting in trouble again, Pryor getting sent packing to Seattle for a 7th round pick after another lost season at QB. Wonder if Seahawks try some direct snaps or wildcat. I have no idea why you would pick him up except that a 7th round pick is almost a throw away for some teams. I would take a shot on a undersized / not highly promoted player from a small college at a position of need. More heart more effort no baggage.

I was also surprised to see Seattle bother trading the seventh-round pick for Pryor when they already have a stud young starter in Wilson and an athletic veteran backup in Tarvaris Jackson (who is really the ideal backup for Wilson; he's a veteran, has starting experience, and knows his place in the hierarchy behind Wilson).  I'd be worried that Pryor won't want to accept his place or will start making noises that he should be starting somewhere, kinda like Vince Young did after his time in Tennessee ended.

Then again, this is what smart organizations do; they look for undervalued assets and pick them up on the cheap.  Pryor is a superb athlete.  The Seahawks know he's on his last shot in the league and they just won the Super Bowl; they can pretty easily say "Look, young man, you're going to work hard and fall in line or we will just cut you.  We just won the Super Bowl.  You need us a lot more than we need you."  They can spend some time messing around with him at TE, or WR, or as a wildcat QB, and if he shows up late or becomes a problem, see ya later.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 22, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
D306:

Glad you had the opportunity to make the west MI visit.  Hope's construction is the new huge music building, which is long overdue.  On the site of the old music building from the 1950's will be the new Student Center, gathering place, with deli, etc. named for recently retired Hope President and former coach Dr. James Bultman and his wife Marti, who also served the college in many capacities.  $ is being raised also for the football building to be eventually built at the open end of the stadium to house new locker rooms for Hope/Visitors and Holland H.S., the football coaches offices and a concourse for fans, with concessions.

Anyway, hope you are doing well. 

BTW, agree with you and ExTartanPlayer about Pryor.  While he has great athletic ability,  he still needs to grow up.  I still have not regained my respect for him since he really has had no remorse for his actions at Ohio State and that is sad.  I don't see him doing much in Seattle.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 23, 2014, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
I still have not regained my respect for him since he really has had no remorse for his actions at Ohio State and that is sad.

At risk of stirring up another contentious discussion about the NCAA and amateurism, I found the Ohio State "scandal" a bit off-putting.  Let's recap: Pryor (and others) were suspended for selling championship rings and memorabilia, as well as receiving free tattoos, in theory capitalizing on their "status" granted as Ohio State football players.  The free tattoos constitute a "benefit" of course, but I want to talk about the memorabilia selling (which amounted to the grand sum of $2,500 for Pryor and about $1,000 for the other athletes).  DeVier Posey's mother said this at the time:

"They didn't do anything that any other person wouldn't have done," Julie Posey told the newspaper. "They looked around to see what they could do to help [their families]. There's no crime here. None. They're not involved with agents. They didn't steal anything. They didn't borrow anything from anybody. It was theirs. Nobody told them it 'almost belongs to you.' It belonged to them."

Having watched Pryor since high school, I've always felt that he had a pretty big head, so I'm not saying you're wrong if you believe he's a jerk; I kinda think he is.  However, I'm not really sure what actions at Ohio State he's supposed to be remorseful for.  The school gave him a championship ring and other memorabilia.  It was his stuff.  You can certainly argue that he should have known he wasn't allowed to sell it, but I'm still not sure why that's a rule in the first place.  Why give him the stuff at all if he's not allowed to do what he wants with it?  He could have burned it, chucked it in a river, thrown it down a sewer grate...but heaven forbid he SELL it to someone who wants to give him money for it.

Note to add: Pryor is from Jeannette, PA - a small depressed town in PA where the median household income is $31,498, and about 15% of the population is below the poverty line.  It's pretty believable that his mother could have used a little extra cash.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bashgiant on April 23, 2014, 06:18:20 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on April 23, 2014, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 22, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
I still have not regained my respect for him since he really has had no remorse for his actions at Ohio State and that is sad.

At risk of stirring up another contentious discussion about the NCAA and amateurism, I found the Ohio State "scandal" a bit off-putting.  Let's recap: Pryor (and others) were suspended for selling championship rings and memorabilia, as well as receiving free tattoos, in theory capitalizing on their "status" granted as Ohio State football players.  The free tattoos constitute a "benefit" of course, but I want to talk about the memorabilia selling (which amounted to the grand sum of $2,500 for Pryor and about $1,000 for the other athletes).  DeVier Posey's mother said this at the time:

"They didn't do anything that any other person wouldn't have done," Julie Posey told the newspaper. "They looked around to see what they could do to help [their families]. There's no crime here. None. They're not involved with agents. They didn't steal anything. They didn't borrow anything from anybody. It was theirs. Nobody told them it 'almost belongs to you.' It belonged to them."

Having watched Pryor since high school, I've always felt that he had a pretty big head, so I'm not saying you're wrong if you believe he's a jerk; I kinda think he is.  However, I'm not really sure what actions at Ohio State he's supposed to be remorseful for.  The school gave him a championship ring and other memorabilia.  It was his stuff.  You can certainly argue that he should have known he wasn't allowed to sell it, but I'm still not sure why that's a rule in the first place.  Why give him the stuff at all if he's not allowed to do what he wants with it?  He could have burned it, chucked it in a river, thrown it down a sewer grate...but heaven forbid he SELL it to someone who wants to give him money for it.

Note to add: Pryor is from Jeannette, PA - a small depressed town in PA where the median household income is $31,498, and about 15% of the population is below the poverty line.  It's pretty believable that his mother could have used a little extra cash.

+1 Well said!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on April 24, 2014, 06:52:07 AM
While I am no fan of the NCAA, the lack of logic or consistent application and monitoring of the rules, the fact that some of the rules are just not realistic to today's environment.
Pryor and the OSU bunch were no saints, I seem to recall the sweater vest had a "friendly" car dealer whom followed him from Youngstown. The problem is you can not monitor every "booster"
The fact that Pryor and others at many schools come from rough area's or just want some of the things being offered by hanger on's is a serious issue.
As a former coach, player and long time advocate for sports at many levels, I see and saw the young men come and go everyday, who they hung with and what car they arrived in many times.  When a kid of limited means shows up in different sports cars, SUV's, clothes, watches, and electronic products to school and practice someone notices. Major Universities have more than enough resources to have a official compliance staff that can visually see and "hear" most the scuttle on a campus and help head off some issues before they become an infringement.  The players do not know in many cases the rules let alone some of the rules are unrealistic.

Difficult issue and never will it be resolved, yet Universities certainly can do a better job. The NCAA must take a long hard look at itself and the politics it is involved in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 24, 2014, 09:53:57 AM
I agree D306.  I don't believe the OSU kids were saints.  However, I don't think the specific offense that the NCAA nailed them for was a particularly grievous one, nor do I believe that it warranted the punishment they received.  Pryor, while he may be an arrogant jerk, is within reasonable bounds to wonder why he and his teammates became the target of an NCAA probe for an action that

Re: the compliance staff, a book a few years back entitled "The Draft" gave an interesting look into college and professional football as it followed several NFL prospects through their final season of college football, combine training, and then up to draft day.  The book presented things from the view of a number of stakeholders: players, college coaches, agents, NFL coaches, and what I found very interesting, the college "support staff" which included the compliance officers.  The book spends much time discussing the different approaches each school took to agent recruitment

The compliance officer at Florida State, Brian Battle (now apparently employed by Florida Atlantic: http://www.fausports.com/genrel/brian_battle_887892.html), was a central figure in the book.  Battle obviously found his job exasperating at times, almost a Mission Impossible, as he tried to keep track of all players, agents, organizing a designated day for the agents to meet with prospective players in exchange for their supposedly leaving players alone otherwise (HAH!), and he relates a few anecdotes that he would be powerless to do anything about.  I agree with you that major universities should devote some resources to compliance, but Battle clearly felt that FSU basically had him there as a token nod to "compliance" basically just hoping that if he couldn't find a problem, the NCAA couldn't find it either, not so much to actually ENFORCE much of anything.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 24, 2014, 04:58:17 PM
D306 and ExTartanPlayer:

I agree with you guys on most of what you said.  The only problem I have with the issue in question is the following.  Whether we or the players such as Pryor, et al (and anyone else who is a collegiate player any of the NCAA levels) like the rules or not, the simple truth is that those rules are in place and everyone knows them.  Just because a player doesn't like a specific rule does not give him/her the right or privilege to break the rules.  Moreover, even at DIII the players are informed of the rules from day one at pre-season football camp (at least we were at Hope and that continues as I understand it).  As such, there is simply no excuse whatsoever for breaking the rule(s) regardless of how mundane or less "grievous" the player believes or thinks it is.  Trying to support a campaign to get those changed is a legit option no matter how difficult that challenge may be to achieve in reality, however, simply choosing to not follow the rule because they don't like it, is not the answer.  We all make choices and, if we are all honest it, in reality that is what one of the biggest problems in today's society in conjunction with the "entitlement" attitudes (and one's circumstances really have nothing to do with it-I believe that everyone really knows right from wrong, unless they have a legit medical type condition that may impair their thinking and being able to reason in that regard. 

So, the bottom line is that when that happens, i.e. when a student-athlete make his/her, choice whatever that may be, they will have to live with the consequences, perceived right or wrong. That's just way it is in today's society and including that we don't get to make the choices in most situations anymore (I will admit that in some cases, that is okay ;)).  Just MO and the way I was taught/brought up, for which I make no apologies. :)  Good discussion guys, even if there are some divergent opinions to "whatever degree."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 24, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on April 24, 2014, 04:58:17 PM
As such, there is simply no excuse whatsoever for breaking the rule(s) regardless of how mundane or less "grievous" the player believes or thinks it is.  Trying to support a campaign to get those changed is a legit option no matter how difficult that challenge may be to achieve in reality, however, simply choosing to not follow the rule because they don't like it, is not the answer.

I agree with much of what you said, formerd3db, so pardon me for only highlighting this point rather than your entire post.  The reason that I highlighted this passage is that in certain cases I believe that players may not have known they were committing violations.  I find at least plausible, however unlikely, that the OSU players did not know it was a violation to sell their memorabilia.  There have been other cases in the last 5-10 years where I found it very believable that the offending school/players had no idea that what they were doing was a violation. 

1) A few years ago, Boise State got probation for this:

"The nearly $5,000 in  "benefits" received by 63 players from 2005-09 included "impermissible housing, transportation or meals, where an incoming student-athlete was provided a place to sleep (often on a couch or floor), a car ride or was provided free food by an existing student-athlete."

So recruits staying on campus got to sleep on a current player's couch, a meal on the player's dime, and a ride to the airport.  The players are supposed to know that was a violation?

2) The NCAA threatened to suspend USC receiver Dwayne Jarrett unless he paid Matt Leinart's father an equal share of the cost of living in an apartment with Leinart.  If they weren't athletes, this would have been a nice story of a rich kid's father agreeing to foot the bill for some rent since his buddy doesn't have as much money; but as athletes, this was an NCAA violation.  Jarrett was actually paying some of the rent, too; Leinart's father just picked up most of the tab because it was a pretty upscale place.  Was he really supposed to know it was illegal for his friend's dad to pay most of the rent?  Again, it's not like USC provided the two of them free housing - Leinart's father was paying for the apartment, and Jarrett was chipping in!

3) Dez Bryant was ruled ineligible for merely visiting Deion Sanders, who a) is not an Oklahoma State booster, b) is not an agent, and c) did not provide Bryant anything other than inspirational text messages and mentorship.  It's still not even clear what the violation was in that case.

It's fair to suspend someone for knowingly violating rules.  I won't quibble with you there.  I'm just saying that sometimes the rules are pretty hard to figure out, and in some of the above cases I think it's at least plausible that the offending party did not know they were breaking a rule (especially the Jarrett case).  For example, you may have heard in the recent discussion of the NCAA now allowing unlimited meals for athletes, did you know until recently that a bagel could be provided to an athlete between meals because it's a snack, but if you put cream cheese on it, that's now defined as a "meal" and thus it's illegal?  There are definitely cases where the "violations" are such minutiae that I'd believe the offender did so innocently.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 25, 2014, 06:15:51 PM
I've already said I agree with you ExTartan that the NCAA needs to make many changes and those you point out are legit.  I also "won't quibble with you" in regards to your stating that "sometimes the rules are pretty hard to figure out" because indeed they are.  However, some are not and certainly the Ohio State debacle fits in that category without question.  At any rate, it will be interesting to see what happens now that the NCAA announced today it some of the changes they have been considering in this regard.  Of course, the critics are already levering that it is only because of this unionization threat and, in part, they might be right, although the NCAA has been working on some of these issues for a long time, yet they are notoriously slow.  Like D306, I am not an entire fan of the NCAA and certainly don't agree with many of the policies they've had over the years, including for our DIII.  On the other hand, we should all be thankful to a large degree, as NCF and Wally have said, because of the NCAA, in receiving all that $ from the TV networks for the March Madness/Final Four, providing all the costs for the championships in the various DIII sports, thereby not costing the colleges any $ or little if any.

Now, to stir up the pot again ;D :o ;).  I had to laugh today at some of the published comments from the union pundits and the former players at Northwestern who are spearheading this unionization push, including the NLRB mouthpieces.  First, they want all encompassing openness, full media coverage, yet they are not going to reveal today's vote for many months or who knows when -what a crock!  Secondly, I also found it amusing that one of the former players, 20-year old Michael Odom, says he quit the team at Northwester because it was affecting his performance in his journalism degree classes. If the truth is known, he unfortunately is someone who just couldn't handle doing both and, he made the right decision in his best interests since the most important reason he is at Northwestern is for the education.  Third, in response to the NLRB charges of included of what they want is medical coverage for the athletes and, get this, special coverage for those pro prospects.  Another crock, especially since, according to Northwestern's spokesman, they already provide extensive medical coverage for student-athletes beyond what most students would get (within the rules, obviously).  Fourth, (as I've said before), if this unionization thing does go through (and we must note this applies only to private universities such as Northwestern, and not public universities-at least for now), and the athletes are declared employees, their "scholarships" will decease to be called that and then will be their salaries and subject to taxable income (and rightly so). And finally, with the union, should there ever be a "strike", then replacement players would certainly be allowed (if the school choose to do so).  Let's see how much the union backing players would like the last two aspects, if those were to occur.  I can hear the whining/howling now. ;D ::) :P ;) :D

Anyway, I will be surprised if the vote is positive as from what we've been hearing from the media, most of the current players are not in favor of the union.  Regardless, I still think the NLRB people are disingenuous in not making the vote public.  They want everything else out in the open and it is just another example of the double standard they push.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 25, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
My understanding is that the reason for not disclosing the outcome of the vote is because Northwestern is appealing the ruling; that the outcome will be disclosed after the appeal is settled (unless, presumably, it is all moot because Northwestern wins the appeal).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 25, 2014, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 25, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
My understanding is that the reason for not disclosing the outcome of the vote is because Northwestern is appealing the ruling; that the outcome will be disclosed after the appeal is settled (unless, presumably, it is all moot because Northwestern wins the appeal).

This was my understanding as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 25, 2014, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on April 25, 2014, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 25, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
My understanding is that the reason for not disclosing the outcome of the vote is because Northwestern is appealing the ruling; that the outcome will be disclosed after the appeal is settled (unless, presumably, it is all moot because Northwestern wins the appeal).

This was my understanding as well.

Likewise. But of course, I actually read and listened to news coverage, rather than jumping to conclusions. C'mon, Doc ... you gotta do a little thinking before spouting off!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 25, 2014, 10:51:16 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on April 25, 2014, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 25, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
My understanding is that the reason for not disclosing the outcome of the vote is because Northwestern is appealing the ruling; that the outcome will be disclosed after the appeal is settled (unless, presumably, it is all moot because Northwestern wins the appeal).

This was my understanding as well.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 25, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
My understanding is that the reason for not disclosing the outcome of the vote is because Northwestern is appealing the ruling; that the outcome will be disclosed after the appeal is settled (unless, presumably, it is all moot because Northwestern wins the appeal).
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 25, 2014, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on April 25, 2014, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 25, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
My understanding is that the reason for not disclosing the outcome of the vote is because Northwestern is appealing the ruling; that the outcome will be disclosed after the appeal is settled (unless, presumably, it is all moot because Northwestern wins the appeal).

This was my understanding as well.

Likewise. But of course, I actually read and listened to news coverage, rather than jumping to conclusions. C'mon, Doc ... you gotta do a little thinking before spouting off!

Come on Pat and you guys.  I know better than that and you all should know me long enough to know that I try to get all the information before making statements and sharing my opinion.  The article I took my information from (which is supposed to be a legit news source and is considered that) mentioned nothing as to the reason why the vote was to be withheld.  It did mention the appeal being in current process and to be heard, which, of course, you, me and everyone who has been following this story in the media all are aware of.  I also do not have such an ego that I can't admit my mistakes, yet, even if I did miss this one, and it appears that I did, not sure why you "ding" me for having a divergent opinion. 

I know I can be passionate at times about certain issues, but certainly no more than anyone else here, including all of you! ;)  But, even though that apparently is the reason for the delay in making the vote public, I personally think that is wrong and disagree with it and would still say so.  In many ways, it's a flawed process. If I were "running the show" it certainly would be a different process, but then, again, it is just like much of everything else in today's society, I/we don't get to make the decisions! ;) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 25, 2014, 11:16:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 25, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
My understanding is that the reason for not disclosing the outcome of the vote is because Northwestern is appealing the ruling; that the outcome will be disclosed after the appeal is settled (unless, presumably, it is all moot because Northwestern wins the appeal).

So Mr. Ypsi...what is your take (or understanding) as to the following potential scenarios?/court processes? What happens if the vote is negative and  Northwestern doesn't win the appeal?  Conversely, if the vote is negative and Northwestern wins the appeal, the disclosure of the outcome of the vote is moot as you say?  Yet, if the vote is positive yet Northwestern wins the appeal, what happens then?

I guess I'm not sure why they chose to have the vote at this particular time?  Obviously, it is to obtain the support of the eligible players, however, it seems to me the NLRB would want to know that for sure before they even went to the initial hearings that have been held.  The initial support they had was, of course, some of the players there who have concluded their college eligibility/careers (i.e. such as Kain Colter) and former players recently although fairly well removed from their playing careers at other places.  I don't understand that process, although perhaps there is some legal requirements/reasons as to why they had to do it that way.  Again, from all the sources I've read, that has not specifically been explained, other than that is how it was going to be done, basically.  Your further thoughts/comments? (You are more versed in this having been a formerly employed professor at a major university with unions and such! ;)) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 26, 2014, 12:29:35 AM
As I see it:

If Northwestern wins the appeal, the vote is moot.  Odds are it will leak out anyway.

If Northwestern loses the appeal, the vote will be trumpeted far and wide (either way).  In fact, you will get absolutely sick over the coverage!  Vote loses: a two day story (but wall to wall).  Vote wins: prepare for a hurricane.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 26, 2014, 07:52:44 AM
Doc, I did not "ding" you either, merely seconded that I had also heard the results were being kept private because NW was appealing. With that said, a large basis of your last post was suggesting that the vote's privacy was a disingenuous plot and an example of a "double standard" when they had a valid reason for doing so.

I am curious why you think the "paying taxes" issue would be a deterrent. As I said before, I believe that the players would gladly pay taxes IF they were negotiating their own compensation because all indications suggest that in a free market, the going rate for a Division I football players would be greater than a scholarship.  That's kind of the while point here. Players believe that their market value is greater than that of a scholarship. They are currently unable to do anything about it because they have no negotiating power. If unionized, they would be able to collectively bargain their conpensation. If it's still just a scholarship...then fine, that's what the market dictated. Considering that several coaches and athletic administrators are on record as supporting the "full cost of attendance" movement, I think we already have evidence that schools would go higher than that, and that's before we get to potential bidding wars for recruits.

If they're wrong, yes, this would become a losing financial proposition for them. But given the number of cases that have come to light where schools have been caught (or at least rumored) to be paying for recruits, plus the amount of shady under-the-table payments that are supposedly made, it's not that farfetched to imagine that many schools would pay more than a scholarship. Heck, it's been rumored that the Big Five conferences would break away from the NCAA for that expressed purpose!

I also think that the union vote is likely to fail.  Too many players have publicly expressed that they do not support it. The NCAA is banking on the players not having the stomach for a legal fight here - the same reason this has never been challenged before, the fact that college players turn over every few years.  They want this appeal to drag on as long as possible.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 26, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
I guess that I'm just curious why you're so opposed to the idea that "student athletes" could also be employees. Kids there on an engineering scholarship can get desk attendant jobs, food service jobs, etc in which they work for the school and receive wages. Why can't athletes, when they're bringing substantially more "financial" value to the institution?

There's a scene in a movie where a faculty member angrily declares "students cannot and MUST NOT be teachers!" and a student merely counters by asking "Why? Why can't we do things our way?"

So that's my question. You're opposed to the idea that a student-athlete can also be defined as an employee. Why?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 27, 2014, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on April 26, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
I guess that I'm just curious why you're so opposed to the idea that "student athletes" could also be employees. Kids there on an engineering scholarship can get desk attendant jobs, food service jobs, etc in which they work for the school and receive wages. Why can't athletes, when they're bringing substantially more "financial" value to the institution?

There's a scene in a movie where a faculty member angrily declares "students cannot and MUST NOT be teachers!" and a student merely counters by asking "Why? Why can't we do things our way?"

So that's my question. You're opposed to the idea that a student-athlete can also be defined as an employee. Why?

ExTartan:

You and I just have a different philosophy with regards to that question.  To me, being able to play college football is a privilege , nothing more than that, regardless of what level one participates at.  Where it not for the colleges/universities, obviously a student-athlete would simply not have that opportunity at all.  The intent of going to college is obviously for the education, not to play football, although you and I and all our colleagues know that a great number of college football players (yes, even at all levels) see it as just the opposite way. Yet, in reality, the athletic/academic balance (which those of us who played/work in/believe in at the DIII level) is what needs to be continued and strived at as being the standard at all collegiate levels.

IMO, you are equating two entirely different scenarios with regards to your example of engineering students getting desk attendant jobs, etc. i.e. being employees in that regard.  I never said I was opposed to football student-athletes being allowed to do the same (i.e. have jobs during the year and summer, thus, their being employees of their schools) and to assist in helping to pay for their living expenses, just like many other students (athlete or not) have to do as it has been for decades.  I've already said I agree with you and others that, in that regard, the NCAA needs to make drastic changes to allow the same standards for both.  However, again, I don't buy into the premise at all (no pun intended) regarding the arguments we've all discussed about how much $ the athletes help bring in for the college or university-I've already expressed my opinions on that and as to all the additional expenses the institutions have to deal with in the overall athletic budgets. We all know that the majority of programs are in the red.  And if you let the football players become employees with regard to their scholarships, that will need to be extended to all student-athletes (both men and women) receiving athletic scholarships in all sports, irrespective of whether that sport is revenue producing or not. 

We can discuss all this and the unionization aspects "ad nauseum", but I think we've all pretty much expressed our opinions on all these aspects.  Again, it just comes down to a difference of philosophy, just like many aspects in life.  Anyway, I do respect your opinion and philosophy on this.  It has been/is a good debate.  We'll all just have to see what plays out. Yet, as has been reported in one of the most recent media articles I read yesterday, the final outcome of all this may take years to occur via the courts, regardless of how the union appeal, Northwestern players' vote outcome as well as whatever the NCAA finally decides with regards to the potential rules and policy changes it just announced the other day that are now being considered.       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on April 29, 2014, 10:36:02 AM
Fair enough.  I also respect your opinion; it had just occurred to me that, amidst some of the circular discussion that we've been having, I wasn't sure I had the answer to that most basic question.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: emma17 on April 29, 2014, 05:50:18 PM
Are athletes that receive scholarships to Catholic high schools also employees?
Some universities give academic scholarships to attract the brightest students. When these students perform well in school it raises the academic standing of the institution, resulting in greater enrollment of top academic achievers to the university- a great financial benefit. Shouldn't these top performing students on scholarship be considered employees as well?

The answer isn't as hard as people want to make it. School is for education.
The rest is all consumerism and quite frankly, greed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 01, 2014, 11:02:56 AM
Unrelated topic:

Of course, this too, is not related to DIII.  However, does anyone think there just might be a problem with Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston?  His latest "run in" with the law, which was reported yesterday and has occurred during his senior baseball season, is that he was arrested for shoplifting.  He left a local store without paying for seafood.  Upon his arrest, he admitted he had taken the seafood (it was found in his apartment in his possession), however, he alleges that "he just forgot to pay for it". ::) :P  Seriously? 

Without question, if that were someone else i.e. an average citizen, that person would be facing more than the "slap on the wrist" that Winston is apparently going to receive (again as reported by the media) in that he is going to be required to provide a fair amount of community service.  Special treatment again? That appears to be suggested here, although his Florida State Head Baseball Coach suspended him from the team, which was also endorsed by Florida State's Head Football Coach Fisher, yet the latter obviously doesn't have any real jurisdiction with regard to Winston anymore. At least he supported it.

Good grief...a sad pattern of behavior that seems to continue on (the alleged sexual assault episode and the alleged "BB gun" wars in the dorms that he and his teammates/buddies engaged in).  I hope someone persuades Winston to get some help, although I doubt he will do that.  Your additional thoughts, anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 01, 2014, 12:13:17 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 01, 2014, 11:02:56 AM
...does anyone think there just might be a problem with Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston?  His latest "run in" with the law, which was reported yesterday and has occurred during his senior baseball season, is that he was arrested for shoplifting.  He left a local store without paying for seafood.  Upon his arrest, he admitted he had taken the seafood (it was found in his apartment in his possession), however, he alleges that "he just forgot to pay for it". ::) :P  Seriously? 

Without question, if that were someone else i.e. an average citizen, that person would be facing more than the "slap on the wrist" that Winston is apparently going to receive (again as reported by the media) in that he is going to be required to provide a fair amount of community service.  Special treatment again? That appears to be suggested here, although his Florida State Head Baseball Coach suspended him from the team, which was also endorsed by Florida State's Head Football Coach Fisher, yet the latter obviously doesn't have any real jurisdiction with regard to Winston anymore. At least he supported it.

One quick detail, doc, which actually is relevant to one of your points: Winston is not a senior.  He is a sophomore on the baseball team this year (he was a redshirt freshman on the football team in 2013) and will presumably be returning to the football team this fall, since Winston cannot become a professional in either sport for at least one more season.  Thus, Coach Fisher does still have "jurisdiction" over Winston and, IMO, would be within his bounds to suspend Winston next season if he felt it were necessary.

Anyways, I discussed this with a friend yesterday.  Key points:

1) If this were his first brush with the law, this incident would not have been a big deal.  Again, while it may seem unlikely, it is at least PLAUSIBLE that he "accidentally" walked out of the store without paying for it (at least once, I've accidentally left a small coffee shop without paying, and I've definitely walked out of a CVS with something jammed in my pocket that I just forgot was there).  The possibilities here range from "innocent mistake" to "kid that tried to get away with a free meal because he thinks he's above the rules" but that is where THIS incident ends.  It was "only" $32.72 of food that he "stole" (accidentally or intentionally) and thus, IMO, this would not have been such a big deal if Winston had a squeaky-clean record to date.

Also, formerd3db, I disagree with your belief that Winston is receiving special treatment in this case or that an "average citizen" would be facing more than the slap on the wrist that Winston is going to receive in this case.  I highlighted the words "in this case" for a reason because, whether you like it or not, the crime committed here must be judged on its own merit because legally Winston has no criminal history.  You're probably rolling your eyes, but being suspected of a crime is NOT the same as being convicted of a crime, and therefore Winston is a first-time offender.  Do you really think an average citizen with no criminal record would be treated differently for shoplifting $32.72 of crab legs from the grocery store?  I'm fairly certain that community service (and perhaps a token fine) is standard punishment for shoplifting.  What punishment would you suggest?  Jail time?

With that said...I acknowledge that while he is a first-time offender, this is not his first brush with the law, so let's review his prior transgressions:

2) His past transgressions, Part I: the BB-gun war ultimately falls more into the "boys-being-boys-gone-too-far" for most people.  Now doc, this might surprise you given my stance in some of our prior discussions, but I believe that incidents of this nature - seemingly "harmless" incidents where students/athletes show a frequent and flagrant disregard for rules after being repeatedly warned - should be punished more harshly than they often are.  I'll note that this is not unique to Division I athletes; I'm certainly aware of fraternities and/or sports teams that have taken on a "We're too cool for school" attitude and carried on with pranks/parties/violations after being warned to "cease and desist" by their respective University.

3) His past transgressions, Part II: the Coke incident.  A manager of a Burger King accused Winston of taking soda but, again, no charges were filed.  Troubling, yes, and a possible indication of a kid thinking he's above the rules...but still, the manager declined to press charges of petty theft.  Legally, this has no bearing on the current incident. 

4) His past transgressions, Part III: by far the most serious of the problems, the alleged sexual assault.  This could have its own entire post.  I'll post this link here:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html

Unfortunately, we will never know the "real truth" of that incident because, in that case, Winston absolutely was granted some degree of special treatment by law enforcement.  The most upsetting passage I read in that article was the following:

"Officer Angulo, who had told his superiors that he "had no real leads," suddenly got a big one on Jan. 10, a little more than a month after the encounter. As a new semester was beginning, the accuser called to say she had identified the suspect — Jameis Winston — after seeing him in class and hearing his name called out. 

Again, Officer Angulo hesitated. Nearly two weeks passed before his backup investigator contacted Mr. Winston — by telephone, records show.

"Winston stated he had baseball practice but would call back later to set a time," Officer Angulo wrote. The police did get a response — from Mr. Winston's lawyer, Timothy Jansen, who said his client would not be speaking to anyone."

I was furious upon reading this; if there's one case where Winston absolutely DID receive special treatment, it's this one.  The police called to interview a suspect about a rape investigation and he postponed on them because he had baseball practice?  How could that possibly be an excuse to get out of a police interview?  I thought that a rape investigation, was, uh, kind of a big deal.

5) With all of that said: it is difficult to say whether the shoplifting incident is merely an innocent mistake or another sign of an entitled athlete/celebrity who thinks he is above the rules.  Maybe it really was an absent-minded "Whoops, did I forget to pay?" moment on Jameis Winston's part, or maybe it was a more sinister decision to try to sneak out without paying, falling back on the "Whoops, did I forget to pay?" defense when he was caught and hoping that his stature would help him avoid serious trouble.  We should not turn this incident into something it isn't; but I, too, read this headline and thought "A kid who's already been under some public scrutiny has got to be smarter than that, innocent mistake or not."

You never can tell exactly what's going to happen with 20-year-old athletes surrounded by hype and controversy.  LeBron James dealt with his share of controversy in high school and now ranks as one of the most articulate, savvy, influential athletes in America.  Michael Vick signed a 10-year, $130 million contract and a year later went to jail (although it is worth noting that he has expressed remorse for his actions and become an upstanding citizen since his release from prison).  Cam Newton had his share of controversy from Florida-through-Auburn, and now may be maturing into a worthy franchise QB and leader, although the jury is still out.  I think Winston most resembles Cam Newton in his personality and the type of controversy surrounding him, but who knows.  There's enough smoke surrounding Jameis Winston right now that, if I were an NFL executive, I wouldn't touch him.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 01, 2014, 01:21:28 PM
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First, sports stuff.  Deep down in places that he won't talk about at parties or FSU athletic department meetings, Jimbo is THRILLED that Winston isn't playing any more baseball.  As long as he's out there closing Seminole baseball games, he's one funky pitch away from having the UCL on his golden right arm blow apart.  And if that happens, he's not throwing anything, oblong or spherical, for 12 months.  So of course Jimbo supports Coach Martin's decision.  Jimbo benefits immeasurably. 

As for more important things like the cultivation of a decent person, I think FSU has to be on eggshells right now wondering when this kid's complete lack of self awareness and repeated disregard for exercising good judgement is going to turn into something way, way worse for everybody involved than some boosted crab legs.  Or more pointedly- when is something way, way worse going to happen again (allegedly)?  Didn't Jerry Jones hire some babysitters for Dez Bryant a few years ago?  Is FSU at that point with this kid?  At what point does the university have some kind of liability (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/04/03/jameis-winston-florida-state-rape-investigation-title-ix-civil-rights/7262359/) for his behavior?  I'd think they have to do something to put the pin back in the grenade here before something awful happens (again). 

I would be shocked if FSU suspends him for any games this fall.  Maybe if they opened the schedule at home against the Citadel they'd make him sit out there (and insult all of us at the same time by calling that a punishment), but they open up in Dallas against Oklahoma State and they won't sit him out for that game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on May 01, 2014, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 01, 2014, 01:21:28 PM
As for more important things like the cultivation of a decent person, I think FSU has to be on eggshells right now wondering when this kid's complete lack of self awareness and repeated disregard for exercising good judgement is going to turn into something way, way worse for everybody involved than some boosted crab legs.  Or more pointedly- when is something way, way worse going to happen again (allegedly)?

I think this is a key point, and I'm not sure if that came through in my longer post above.  I don't think Winston is getting special treatment for this particular case, but I do believe formerd3db was correct that, as wally puts it, Famous Jameis seems to have a lack of self-awareness, rather poor judgement, and (probably) a very inflated opinion of his place in the world.  That's why I compared him to Cam Newton (remember when, before the draft, Newton was asked about his goals and instead of answering with "be the best QB in the league" or "win the Super Bowl" he answered with "Global Icon" - that's what I think Ol' Jameis is like).

Wally makes a good point: what if thus turns into something way, way worse?  What if Jameis' name turns up in a bar fight later this summer, or worse, another sexual-assault case?

Also, wally, I enjoyed the photo :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 01, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
A very good discussion. First, I totally didn't realize Winston had additional years.  For some reason, I thought he was done with football.  Believe it or not, I never really followed the Heisman race this year, in part because I didn't really care for some of the candidates, including Winston.  Anyway, indeed, you guys are right that Fisher has an interest in him, although I'm still glad that he supported the baseball coaches suspension.

I think that if he pays a fine and is required community service, that would be in line with what many people get for that misdemeanor.  However, you are incorrect if you think that some people do not get some jail time, albeit minimal in many cases, as that does happen and I know of persons it happened to.  Also, some counseling has often been tacked on to the sentencing and that certainly is an appropriate aspect that applies to Winston-anyone who says it is not, is not being realistic at the very least.  Nonetheless, you are correct that Winston is technically a first time offender, however, with all the other "baggage" that he has, I agree with you and Wally that could possibly have some weight with those in power who will be determining the actual consequences (although, if it is anything like the alleged assault was handled apparently, that could be a rather sketchy situation ;)).

Concerning two final points, a) I agree with you that the "boys will be boys" scenario is most likely what happened. I'm sure we all have been guilty of that in our college days of the so-called "Animal House" Syndrome  ;D (I admit I was and did some stupid things, which I and others thought were quite funny at the time, when in reality, they probably weren't).  Yet, you might be surprised though, that I agree with you that the BB gun incident is one of those in a more serious category (obviously more so than the soda pop incident at the local fast food restaurant) and probably should have had more extensive consequences than it did.

and

b) I totally agree with you and Wally that this young man is seriously lacking in maturity (and needs some serious guidance, more than he apparently is getting from the FSU coaching staffs- hopefully they and/or someone at the university will help Winston in that regard-it should be mandated after all that has transpired with him in the past several months).  And you also summed it up well in that, I, too, wouldn't touch this kid if I were an NFL executive either.  (However, I wouldn't be surprised if someone does just that eventually).

Seems that FSU has had it's share of controversies over the years even when Bowden was in charge. ::)     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADL70 on May 01, 2014, 08:27:32 PM
To further clarify, he was not arrested, he was issued a "civil citation."  Little more than a traffic ticket.

Nowhere have I seen it reported that he has now paid for the food or more importantly, it seems to me, did he have the funds to pay for the food?  How else to you test the old Steve Martin defense "I forgot."

It's incredible to me that his statement, reportedly released by his attorney, can only come up with "youthful ignorance" as an excuse.  Ya gotta ask, "Ignorance of what?"

The incident does harm to the "poor, exploited athletes" narrative that has been put forth.

In some circles FSU has been referred to as Felony State University.

What I saw reported was that he was suspended until he did his twenty hours of community service, which I would expect will be done long before football starts.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on May 03, 2014, 08:02:38 AM
Well FSU events are typical for a Private Sports program pretending to be a University of higher Education.
I hope that they eventually pull his Awards and the National Title (USC, Heisman).
Then again I am still waiting for the Auburn "oh he did not know his dad received monies"  (Stealing laptops, and getting tossed from Florida, cash to Cam's Dad) to get their National Title pulled.
No accountability no class in the NCAA or these universities, what are we teaching our youth?, lie, steal, cheat, abuse women, whine that you are abused with the veiled " its slavery" BS excuse for these poor "student" Athletes ( I say this loosely as there is little education happening here with many of these Athletes )
I am not naïve enough to believe it was much different in the past, yet with 24 news, and sports channels reporting the most inane facts or made for TV facts. These issues have been placed in everyone's face, the NCAA and Universities are struggling with how to maintain some semblance of professional appearance, and not kill the cash cow they have.

I have no real solutions yet I know I would not hire any of these young men into my company, personal accountability and character are important in business and in your life. This "I got mine" lifestyle is the problem.
All this said on my soapbox, the win now win big structure at major universities and Pro sports has created the culture of looking the other way. This all happened in the past as well yet we were not aware of it on a mass media manner.
I like many of you watch the news with a jaded view ( IRS Scandal, Benghazi Lies/cover up ) and I think that is the saddest thing, every achievement (Homerun records in MLB ) are now always looked at in a different light. Those who do things the right way are now either left behind by cheaters or have in the back of peoples minds their accomplishments questioned.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 05, 2014, 02:19:33 PM
Good post, D306.

Also,...Winston reinstated in less than two weeks and 20 hours of community service (less than one day for the latter).  Not special treatment? And no other consequences regarding his college playing right now?  Good grief.  Hey, I don't have a record, yet can I be afforded the same if I forget to pay for my seafood the next time I go to the grocery store? ::) :P ;)  Enough of this story, but I couldn't resist one more statement.  What a joke, but it isn't really.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 05, 2014, 03:03:07 PM
Last week, FSU played a non-league weekend series against Minnesota.  Weird at this time of the year, but that's what happened.  This week FSU has a big ACC series against North Carolina (while not as awesome this year, the Heels have been CWS fixtures for a handful of years now).  You guys really didn't think Florida State was going to throw Winston in the dungeon over some crab legs, did you? 

That said, the university is now on really thin ice.  There's going to be a lot of attention on Winston and his behavior (he'll be THE talk over the summer as we lead into CFB season) and if he steps out of line again, there will be an equal amount of attention on FSU and how they've more or less given this guy a free pass.  Seriously, they're one more Winston transgression away from triggering a rather unpleasant Outside The Lines piece (a piece that might have already been made if ESPN wasn't also fully invested in marketing that kid all summer and all fall).  At this point, I think FSU has made their bed and they're just hoping that they can get through this summer and fall without incident, have Winston declare for the draft, and be done with him.  But not before he maybe delivers another crystal football (or whatever it is this year...I think they're changing it up). 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 05, 2014, 04:13:51 PM
Nice synopsis, Wally.  I think that you are probably right.  As you alluded to, we'll obviously just have to wait and see what plays out i.e. the next "Act in the Play". ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 18, 2014, 03:28:40 PM
Pat:

Regarding an older discussion topic, when was the agreement for renewal of the Stagg Bowl with the City of Salem coming up again?  I recall you mentioned it was to be in the next year or so.  As you know, there was some talk by some people for interest in moving it to another city, such as those new facilities down in Florida, however, I and many others agree with you that there is really no reason to change venues at this time from Salem as they have done a great job over the years. 

I couldn't find a link to check on/review that.  When they (the NCAA) renews the agreement with Salem, how many years does that typically go for, or does it vary?

P.S.  Do you have any warm weather in your neck of the woods yet or do you still have some ice chunks floating around? :o ;)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2014, 05:48:15 PM
Stagg Bowl re-upped for Salem through 2017 last December, when the NCAA announced a whole slate of future postseason hosts across all sport and divisions:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/12/future-stagg-bowl-sites
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 19, 2014, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2014, 05:48:15 PM
Stagg Bowl re-upped for Salem through 2017 last December, when the NCAA announced a whole slate of future postseason hosts across all sport and divisions:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/12/future-stagg-bowl-sites

Thanks for the update/clarification Pat.  That is good.  Somehow, I missed seeing that link you posted from your website. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 20, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
Probably relevant to the MIAA is some way,  @DUAthletics is Davenport University.


Steve Amorose ‏@steveamorose 2h

The @DUathletics have set an 11 am press conference on Thursday to announce 1st ever football coach. @FOX17
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 20, 2014, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: sac on May 20, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
Probably relevant to the MIAA is some way,  @DUAthletics is Davenport University.


Steve Amorose ‏@steveamorose 2h

The @DUathletics have set an 11 am press conference on Thursday to announce 1st ever football coach. @FOX17

It will be interesting to see if they choose someone with college coaching experience to lead the inaugural program or pull someone with extensive high school coaching experience.  I could see that one might make a case that the latter could be an option, depending on who has applied, however, realistically, I believe they will have chosen some one with collegiate experience. That is probably the safest option.   They don't start playing games until 2015 as I recall.  Will give Siena Heights and Concordia-Ann Arbor additional competition. :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: realist on May 23, 2014, 09:08:12 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 20, 2014, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: sac on May 20, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
Probably relevant to the MIAA is some way,  @DUAthletics is Davenport University.


Steve Amorose ‏@steveamorose 2h

The @DUathletics have set an 11 am press conference on Thursday to announce 1st ever football coach. @FOX17

It will be interesting to see if they choose someone with college coaching experience to lead the inaugural program or pull someone with extensive high school coaching experience.  I could see that one might make a case that the latter could be an option, depending on who has applied, however, realistically, I believe they will have chosen some one with collegiate experience. That is probably the safest option.   They don't start playing games until 2015 as I recall.  Will give Siena Heights and Concordia-Ann Arbor additional competition. :) :)

Do the NAIA schools that play football award scholarship $$ to players?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2014, 11:08:35 PM
They're allowed to, yes. I can't say for sure that there might not be a handful of non-scholarship football programs in the NAIA but NAIA programs are allowed to grant scholarships.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 05, 2014, 02:42:38 PM
Pat:

In seeing some of the posts on the various boards about preliminary recruiting classes in DIII for this year, it seems that some of the class sizes might be down somewhat as compared to other years.  I could be mistaken, though, for several reasons.  In part, because there have not been all that many posts regarding such information and also, as everyone is aware, the true numbers (commitments) in DIII are never really known until you see who shows up on opening day at camp in August.

I recall in recent years where many of the schools have had higher numbers coming in (of course, we've seen roster sizes being huge at a number of schools for several years well over 100).  Obviously, it depends on a particular school, yet it appears to me that a usual size of a recruiting class is usually around 30, yet, again, are we seeing a slight dip in the trend (whether it be economic factors and perhaps a decreased interest for some regarding DIII and/or a combination of all?  Perhaps I'm way off base here, however, I was just curious as to what your opinion on this is and what have you perhaps seen in recent weeks, if anything (if you've seen more info than has been posted)?  Thanks.

P.S.  Hope the start of your summer is going well.  Also, I'm sure you've seen the controversy (or lack thereof) over what's going on at Hope College with the recent mutual resignation of our basketball coach. ::)  Similar to what occurred at DePauw University in recent years, it is a "gag order" situation. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 09, 2014, 11:16:18 AM
Hey sac:

I decided to post this over here instead of on the MIAA basketball board.  However, I love your posting of the photo of the "modern" windmill on fire in relation to conveying the message of "der rumor mill" concerning the recent unfortunate situation of Hope's basketball head coaching position.  It is a most appropriate "verbal/visual caricature". :o ;)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on June 09, 2014, 04:21:52 PM
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/09/jay-cutler-marc-trestman-bears-locker-room-dr-z/2/

Doc, figured you & the MIAA gang might enjoy the mention of Albion College here in the discussion of longtime NFL assistant Frtiz Shurmur.

Now I'll wait for the inevitable story you have about Shurmur...I swear, every time I bring up a college, player, or coach, you've got an anecdote...what have you got for me this time?  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 09, 2014, 08:11:33 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on June 09, 2014, 04:21:52 PM
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/09/jay-cutler-marc-trestman-bears-locker-room-dr-z/2/

Doc, figured you & the MIAA gang might enjoy the mention of Albion College here in the discussion of longtime NFL assistant Frtiz Shurmur.

Now I'll wait for the inevitable story you have about Shurmur...I swear, every time I bring up a college, player, or coach, you've got an anecdote...what have you got for me this time?  :)

Hey ExTartan, hello my friend and good to hear from you.  I hope you had a nice Memorial Day Weekend (it is difficult to believe that was two weekends ago already) and that your early summer is going well.  Hopefully,  you've been able to enjoy some of this nice weather that's finally arrived.

Ah, yes, the late great Coach Fritz Shurmur.  Of course, he was an All-MIAAer in the 1950s and early 1960's (Fritz was an All-MIAA selection at center in 1953, while Joe Shurmur was an All-MIAA linebacker in 1961).  I remember the late Coach Morley Fraser, also one of Albion's all-time great coaches and former assistant to the College President, telling me stories about the Shurmurs at Albion and how they simply blasted everyone they were so good (Coach Fraser's sons both played at Alma and were teammates of my brother there, the oldest son and I were in the same class year, so I got to play against all three of them my senior year).  I also remember during my residency when Shurmur's nephew Pat played at Michigan State, although he chose to go back home to have his knee surgery when that unfortunately happened.  Of course, you know the rest of Pat's story as he finished a fine playing career and then rose through the coaching ranks eventually to Stanford, then to the Cleveland Browns (I forgot where he is now).

Anyway, I did somewhat follow Fritz Shurmur's career when he was coaching in the NFL as it was fun (and a proud moment) to share with people that he was from the MIAA, just like the Mount guys and any of our DIII colleagues enjoy sharing and promoting their alumni players in the NFL.  Thanks for sharing and posting the article! I enjoyed it and I'm sure many of our other MIAA supporters here will also. A nice post-hum award for Shurmur and the other coach Johnson.

   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 10, 2014, 09:50:58 AM
Fitz Shurmur was the PACKERS defensive coordinator in the mid to late 1990s.  Pat is currently a member of the Philadelphia Eagles staff.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 10, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on June 10, 2014, 09:50:58 AM
Fitz Shurmur was the PACKERS defensive coordinator in the mid to late 1990s.  Pat is currently a member of the Philadelphia Eagles staff.

badgerwarhawk:

Thanks for the update info.   I remember when Fritz was with the Packers, although as I recall he finished up with the Los Angeles Rams, when they were still in Los Angeles. I also checked on where Pat Shurmur was right after I posted yesterday-I had forgotten he went to the Eagles.  Anyway, just shows you how little I follow the NFL (usually only at playoff and Super Bowl time). ::) ;)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 10, 2014, 06:24:03 PM
Somewhere in my family vault of photos is one with me, my brother and Pat Shurmur while he was at Michigan State. 
:-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 11, 2014, 04:50:50 PM
Quote from: sac on June 10, 2014, 06:24:03 PM
Somewhere in my family vault of photos is one with me, my brother and Pat Shurmur while he was at Michigan State. 
:-[

That is very cool, sac.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 15, 2014, 03:02:03 PM
http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/-6833278432269761039/lowell-quarterback-kyler-shurlow-calls-audible-regarding-college-plans/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 18, 2014, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: sac on July 15, 2014, 03:02:03 PM
http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/-6833278432269761039/lowell-quarterback-kyler-shurlow-calls-audible-regarding-college-plans/

That is fabulous news!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafan4life on August 02, 2014, 11:40:35 AM
How is Alma going to be this year? Offensively and Defensively? What about their predicted record?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on August 02, 2014, 03:31:36 PM
Quote from: miaafan4life on August 02, 2014, 11:40:35 AM
How is Alma going to be this year? Offensively and Defensively? What about their predicted record?

I'm going to go with: "better than last year"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 07, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
I was going to send a PM to my pal formerd3db, but I realized I had access to a larger group of Michiganders at my disposal that might be able to help me out: would any of you kind fellows be able to tick off a list of colleges in Michigan within roughly 60 minutes of Central Michigan University (Mt. Pleasant, MI)?  Even up to 90 minutes away?

My girlfriend will be starting a position at Central this fall, and I will be a frequent visitor to the state (I have already visited Mt. Pleasant twice and very much like the area).  I gather that Alma College is nearby, since we drove past an exit for Alma on our way up route 127 into town, and I already know where the bigger state universities (MSU and UM) are relative to Central.  What else is nearby?  I don't know the geographic locations of the MIAA schools (or other small schools in the state).

Just want to have an idea what my options are if relocation on my part becomes necessary in the next few years :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 07, 2014, 10:20:05 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 07, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
I was going to send a PM to my pal formerd3db, but I realized I had access to a larger group of Michiganders at my disposal that might be able to help me out: would any of you kind fellows be able to tick off a list of colleges in Michigan within roughly 60 minutes of Central Michigan University (Mt. Pleasant, MI)?  Even up to 90 minutes away?

My girlfriend will be starting a position at Central this fall, and I will be a frequent visitor to the state (I have already visited Mt. Pleasant twice and very much like the area).  I gather that Alma College is nearby, since we drove past an exit for Alma on our way up route 127 into town, and I already know where the bigger state universities (MSU and UM) are relative to Central.  What else is nearby?  I don't know the geographic locations of the MIAA schools (or other small schools in the state).

Just want to have an idea what my options are if relocation on my part becomes necessary in the next few years :)

CMU is ideally located right in the middle of the mitten which means you are just about 2 hours from anywhere other than Saginaw-Bay City-Midland and Lansing, to my dismay they play good football in East Lansing.

Though its falling apart, Michigan has a nice collection of highways and freeways making getting around the Southern half of the State really easy and convenient, almost all of these schools are not far from a freeway. 

Alma:  South 20 miles on US 127

Northwood(D2):  30 miles straight East on M-20 in

Ferris State(D2):   45 miles straight West of Mt. Pleasant on M-20 in Big Rapids

Saginaw Valley St. (D2):  50 miles East and South along I-75 on Saginaw's North side

Olivet:  1 hour 40 minutes straight South off I-69

Calvin: 1 hour 30 minutes on the East side of Grand Rapids.  I can see no conceivable reason to go there in the fall other than curiosity, no football.

Albion:  just under 2 hours, straight south on 127 and a little West off I-94

Kzoo:  2 hours 30 minutes, straight south and West on I-94, football stadium is practically across the street from WMU's Waldo Stadium

Hope:  about 2 hours from Mt. P to the Southwest past Grand Rapids in Holland, there is not a good way to get there from MtP without going back roads or taking a longer freeway route, consult maps.  This will without much doubt be the highlight of these trips.

Grand Valley State (D2):  same as Hope only a few minutes shorter, straight West of Grand Rapids on M-45 in Allendale

Adrian:  is about 2 hours South and East off US-23 (Sort of), past Ann Arbor

Hillsdale College(D2):  about 2 hours straight south on 127, and a little West in Hillsdale.

Wayne State(D2): about 2 1/2 hours in the heart of Detroit in Midtown, as you drive through Flint and Pontiac, just ignore it because the rest of us do.

Trine: is about 2 hours 40 minutes straight south off I-69 in Angola, Indiana.


To the North is woods, lakes, more woods, a bridge, people with long beards who like to shoot at things.

If you want a real adventure, cross the bridge to the UP:
Lake Superior State(D2 no football, but d1 hockey) is in Sault Ste. Marie, about 3 hours 30 minutes straight North.

Northern Michigan(D2 football, D1 hockey) (bonus of indoor football) is in Marquette, about 5 hours 30 minutes on the UP northern shore right in the middle of the peninsula.

Michigan Tech(D2 football, D1 hockey) is in Houghton, a touch over 7 hours, way North, way West on the edge of the Keewenaw Peninsula.  Bring snow gear.

Finlandia(D3) is in Hancock right across the river from Michigan Tech, supposed to start football soon.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 07, 2014, 10:21:11 PM
Poll Results (first-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Albion (5) 7 pts. 2. Adrian 16 pts. 3. Hope (1) 18 pts. 4. Olivet (1) 19. 5. Trine 24. 6. Kalamazoo 29. 7. Alma 34. 


Not much love for Kzoo's 4-2 team from last year ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 08, 2014, 10:30:08 AM
Thanks very much, sac, that list is perfect and more detailed than I was expecting! 

+K for you, good sir!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 08, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on August 08, 2014, 10:30:08 AM
Thanks very much, sac, that list is perfect and more detailed than I was expecting! 

+K for you, good sir!

ExTartan:

Hey, my friend, sac, indeed, did an excellent job in relating all the info to you.  Nice to hear that you will be coming around our area once in awhile.  If/when you do, give me an advance notice sometime so that perhaps we might be able to meet up for a quick visit, lunch or dinner.

You will have fun in taking in a football game or two when you can because there are some really neat campuses and stadiums at all the places mentioned by sac.  Your tentative occasional trips to visit your girlfriend reminds me of when right after my college playing days were done at Hope, I took my soon-to-be wife around to an occasional "game of the week" in Chicago when I was in med school.  We would alternate such that one weekend we'd go to a DI Northwestern game and then the next time to a DIII game such as at Elmhurst (and/or go see my brother play when Alma was playing an "away" game in the Chicago area)-all that, of course, in my "free time" ::) :o ;). 

You will have some fun visits when you can I'm sure.  But you already know that since you have done and already do that type of trip(s) i.e. your Clarion experiences!  Anyway, I will look forward to your posts this season.  The boards are starting to get busy again.  We do football physicals at Hope next Tues and I assume that most of the DIII schools start then also.  I will give a report later on the QB competition at Hope after next week as that will be a key race to replace the graduated veteran Atwell.  Although he most likely has the first candidate penciled in already, Coach Kreps will have to see who emerges in the first couple of weeks- I'm sure it will be interesting because no one behind him has much playing time experience.  Take care and talk to you again in the not too distant future.

P.S. I join you in thanking sac for a great informational overview! He always does a great job.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 09, 2014, 12:32:17 PM
Good to see some MIAA chatter back here.  Looking forward to the coming season.  I too will be interested in seeing how the QB situation develops at Hope ... can Kzoo maintain its upward momentum ... will Albion be strong again ... and what kind of a season will Calvin have -- oh, that's right!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on August 11, 2014, 09:49:48 AM
Glad to see the season getting started.
I will be checking out some of the Chicago area teams along with a few MIAA as we still have the place in Grand Haven
Daughter is now in Chicago for Residency and working with a mentor.
Of course what kind of dad would i be if I did not come visit?
Somehow I just will happen to align these with some UofM and college football games
Going to a Wheaton game as it is a nice area and I have not seen a game there since they installed lights.
D3DB you have been kind enough in the past to try to meet up during a break at Hope I have not made that work yet. I will hit drop you a line on the Hope home games I will try to make this year.
Lets Hope this is the year MIAA gets through round 1 and becomes more competitive on the larger DIII stage

Good news for Albion    Brembo will be expanding their Mfg base in MI and Albion is the location
On a bigger note this is huge for Albion the community as the plant closings in Mfg has really hurt the area.
Reshoring is becoming a popular Mfg option  educating our youth to be a viable stable professional Mfg base is key. 
Mfg is not a dirty word a culture shift is required in our schools and media to understand today's Mfg is a highly Technical , clean rewarding career if you choose to be a professional.

Ok done with my public commentary enjoy football guys hope to catch up to a few of you along the football trail
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 11, 2014, 06:53:30 PM
D306:

Great to see you return posting here on the MIAA board.  Glad to hear that your daughter is doing well in Chicago.  My wife is from there (and where I went to grad school also) and it is always enjoyable to get back there once in awhile, although we haven't done that as much the past few years until recently (unfortunately, though, for some less than happy occasions).

Anyway, yes, it would be nice to try and meet/visit at one of the Hope home games if you are going to be there (that goes for DBQ1965 also!).  Keep me posted as to your possibilities and we'll try to make it work this year.  Hope your/our U of M does better this year also!

Thanks for sharing the Albion community news.  That is good news.   We'll be in touch; until then, take care. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 12, 2014, 09:56:48 AM
formerd3db,

Hope you are well! How is the MIAA shaping up for this fall, will Hope capture the title, who are the contenders this year? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 12, 2014, 11:33:03 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 12, 2014, 09:56:48 AM
formerd3db,

Hope you are well! How is the MIAA shaping up for this fall, will Hope capture the title, who are the contenders this year? :-\

They can't let Albion ruin their chance, I thought they were going to pull it off last year against Albion. What a game it was.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 12, 2014, 06:15:06 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on August 12, 2014, 09:56:48 AM
formerd3db,

Hope you are well! How is the MIAA shaping up for this fall, will Hope capture the title, who are the contenders this year? :-\

Raider68:

Am surviving.  Good to hear from you.  As you can see, from the recent league coaches annual preseason meeting/media day that sac posted above, Albion was picked to win it this year, with Adrian 2nd and Hope 3rd.  Most likely those will be in the mix for sure, although I think that one can't count out Olivet and Kazoo as being some real spoilers for someone; yet also, I can't imagine that Trine and Alma won't be improved and rebound from their less than stellar seasons last year.  They will be a factor in spoiling it for at least one of those teams I do not doubt.

Hope definitely has to beat both Adrian and Albion to secure the chance of the league title even more and as D3MAFAN posted, Hope can't afford to let Albion win again.  Anyway, hope you are doing well also.  Take care and I'll look forward to reading your posts here and on your OAC board again this year.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 14, 2014, 06:49:04 PM
Hope's Cody Lindemulder
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/article/20140813/SPORTS/140819636/10972/SPORTS


Mulliken has a population of 550.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 24, 2014, 12:16:43 AM
Just returned home from Hope's traditional final intra-squad scrimmage at the stadium.  Good crowd as usual, yet also a nice surprise for a cool night with a nice breeze.  It had been very hot and humid all day (and yesterday), which could have been a hindrance tonight.  But it was a perfect weather night for football under the lights.

Luckily, no injuries.  In brief, still a long way to go in many areas. Regarding the QB situation, there are five vying for the position; 3 upperclassmen (each with little p.t. experience) and 2 freshman (including the young man from Michigan who decided not to go to Mount Union as you already have read about).  From what I was told (and also viewed this evening), there is still no front runner-no one has separated themselves as yet.  However, still time for someone to step up before the first game. Anyway, the coaching staff will be reviewing the film from the scrimmage tomorrow and making some assessments of course.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 25, 2014, 04:44:14 PM
football is back

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 25, 2014, 04:46:15 PM
Quote from: sac on August 25, 2014, 04:44:14 PM
football is back

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Yes...exciting it is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 27, 2014, 03:21:58 PM
Does Hope football have any kind of scrimmage against another team scheduled for this (Labor Day) weekend?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 27, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 27, 2014, 03:21:58 PM
Does Hope football have any kind of scrimmage against another team scheduled for this (Labor Day) weekend?

I do not believe they do.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 28, 2014, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: sac on August 27, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 27, 2014, 03:21:58 PM
Does Hope football have any kind of scrimmage against another team scheduled for this (Labor Day) weekend?

I do not believe they do.

You are correct, we do not.  Hope is one of the few small colleges that still holds the traditional final intra-squad scrimmage instead of a controlled scrimmage against another college.  Coach Kreps and his staff decided to move the scrimmage up by one week this year so as to not risk injury to key players before the season opener "away" game at Monmouth.  Luckily, no players were injured in last Saturday evening's scrimmage, which had beautiful weather.  Still no word on the QB competition as yet. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 30, 2014, 01:42:13 PM
Anyone know of scrimmages going on today in the MIAA, most teams usually have them this week, correct?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 31, 2014, 08:21:46 PM
Some disappointing news...the Detroit Lions waived former All-MIAA Albion College CB Chris Greenwood yesterday.  Unfortunately, he wasn't even signed to the 10-man practice squad today either.  I (as did many others) really thought that this would be his "break-out" year after two injured seasons (on IR his first and last year on-off the practice squad/regular roster while recovering). He played well in the pre-season games and it came down to the last cut.  I also thought he would at least be signed to the practice squad (where he was on-off last year while recovering, although was on the official roster part of the time.  Anyway, I hope he is able to land with another team. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 01, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

Are you heading up the MIAA Pickems this year? I hope so, based upon your great previous efforts. The conference looks
to be very competitive this year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAA in Exile on September 01, 2014, 01:23:24 PM
Chris Greenwood on the Vikings practice squad.  No idea if he choose Minnesota over Detroit or other offers.  Might be looking for best chance to play. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2014, 04:12:47 PM
Quote from: MIAA in Exile on September 01, 2014, 01:23:24 PM
Chris Greenwood on the Vikings practice squad.  No idea if he choose Minnesota over Detroit or other offers.  Might be looking for best chance to play.

Thanks for the update.  I would imagine that he would be looking for the best option for playing time-at least that is what I would do if I were in his situation.  Good luck to him-I hope he makes it.  I still think he can play in the NFL.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2014, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on September 01, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

Are you heading up the MIAA Pickems this year? I hope so, based upon your great previous efforts. The conference looks
to be very competitive this year! :)

I completely forgot!  Yeah, I'll have week one up later tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks for the reminder - +k.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2014, 09:59:56 PM
The week one pickems slate is now up on the Pick-ems board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 10:53:27 AM
The MIAA pickems page has somehow disappeared, so I'll just do it here:

WEEK ONE SLATE:

Trine @ Manchester (Friday)
Wilma @ Olivet
RHIT @ Kazoo
Adrian @ Defiance
Alma @ Heidi
Hope @ Monmouth
Albion @ UWSP
HSC @ Wabash
Franklin @ IWU
ONU @ WashU
Butler @ Witt
Ott @ SJF
Thomas More @ Wesley
Randy Mac @ JHU

Entries must be before kickoff of the first game - normally that means noon on Saturday, but note that Trine plays Friday at 7:30.  Those who already submitted entries will need to do it again.

Good luck to all!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
So, I combined the TWO pick-em pages for the MIAA and I bumped them to the top so you can't miss them. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
As Pat said, the MIAA pickems page has been restored - no re-entries needed. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 11:55:30 AM
There has been periodic talk about Calvin starting a football program.  Given their record in other sports, it would probably be competing for the league title within only 2-3 years.  Anyone have anything new to report?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
As Pat said, the MIAA pickems page has been restored - no re-entries needed. ;)

Restored? :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
As Pat said, the MIAA pickems page has been restored - no re-entries needed. ;)

Restored? :)

It was definitely missing when I posted - I checked very carefully several times.  I may be stupid, but I ain't blind!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 04:49:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
As Pat said, the MIAA pickems page has been restored - no re-entries needed. ;)

Restored? :)

It was definitely missing when I posted - I checked very carefully several times.  I may be stupid, but I ain't blind!

I just realized the problem - my screen only shows the unread pages, and I forgot to cue it up again to see ALL the pages.  Like I said, I'm not blind, but I AM stupid! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: realist on September 04, 2014, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2014, 11:55:30 AM
There has been periodic talk about Calvin starting a football program.  Given their record in other sports, it would probably be competing for the league title within only 2-3 years.  Anyone have anything new to report?
Davenport U (NAIA) is in the process of adding a football program in the GR area.  Calvin will probably be monitoring how this process fares for them.  Like you say tihs topic has been discussed a few times before, and doubt there is much new information that can be brought to the discussion.  I haven't heard that football is dead completely at Calvin, but haven't been invited to any tailgate parties either. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on September 04, 2014, 10:11:52 AM
Kzoo Gazette preview of the Hornets.  Impressive 90 man squad this year for Coach Zorbo.

http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/09/kalamazoo_college_football_loo.html#incart_2box (http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/09/kalamazoo_college_football_loo.html#incart_2box)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 05, 2014, 02:19:32 PM
Since Hope is on the road tomorrow ... and I need a D3 fix ... I'm trying to decide between Kzoo and Rose-Hulman or Olivet and Wilmington.  Any recommendations, preferences, etc.?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 06, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
It is going to be a nice day, so either will be a good choice. I have heard that we (Olivet) might have a large crowd. If you do come to Olivet, I am not afraid of meeting posters on here. Before the game would be better since we have a home volleyball match in the gym at 5 p.m. and I have to get in there for that.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 06, 2014, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 06, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
It is going to be a nice day, so either will be a good choice. I have heard that we (Olivet) might have a large crowd. If you do come to Olivet, I am not afraid of meeting posters on here. Before the game would be better since we have a home volleyball match in the gym at 5 p.m. and I have to get in there for that.

Sounds like a deal.  Nice weather ... big crowd ... home opener ... and a team building on momentum and success from last season.  I'll see if I can track you down before the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 06, 2014, 08:41:12 AM
Wilmington was 0-10 last year, but they had a new coach (former Cleveland Browns DB Stacey Hairston) and they seem to be very young, but building momentum.  One kid that will jump out at you is Jeremy Duncan at WR. He's huge (6'6" 230), fast (All-OAC sprinter in track for WC) and pretty darn good (named Ed Sherman Award winner as OAC's top WR last yr). 

Safe travels and enjoy that sunshine.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 06, 2014, 05:10:42 PM
Olivet 41 Wilmington 24
Rose-Hulman 40 Kzoo 13
Adrian 35 Defiance 13
Heidelberg 72 Alma 7
Monmouth 30 Hope 20

Albion @ Stevens Point  7pm  (Central time I presume)


Hope/Monmouth was even in every way except turnovers.  Hope had 3, Monmouth 0 and Monmouth scored 10 points off those turnovers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: scottie on September 06, 2014, 08:48:03 PM
Actually, Monmouth had 1 turnover (int) and Hope had 7.....1 fumble lost and 6 interceptions. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 06, 2014, 11:26:12 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 06, 2014, 08:48:03 PM
Actually, Monmouth had 1 turnover (int) and Hope had 7.....1 fumble lost and 6 interceptions.

Well that boxscore was way wrong (updated now).......so not close




Stevens Point 42 Albion 31
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
Michigan suffered their first ever shutout loss to ND, 31-0.  Would have been 37-0, but ND's pick-six was called back on a blatant roughing the passer penalty.  Michigan's only bright spots were total domination for the first ten minutes (even when down 7-0, they were still CLEARLY the better team; after that it was all ND) and Devin Funchess, who had 9? receptions and well over 100 yards (he was injured late in the game, but came back for one play - he was limping badly and immediately left again, but presumably he will be back soon).

The series ends with Michigan up 24-16, but ND gets the last laugh.

Brady Hoke is 20-2 at home, but has still never beaten a ranked team on the road, where they are now 6-9.  With both MSU and OSU on the road, it is shaping up as another long season.  (MSU and OSU both lost today.)  Not a good day for Michigan teams - I haven't checked D2 scores, but Olivet and Adrian may have been the only winners.  Though EMU played a helluva game - only lost to Florida by 65-0! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2014, 12:00:13 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
Not a good day for Michigan teams - I haven't checked D2 scores, but Olivet and Adrian may have been the only winners.  Though EMU played a helluva game - only lost to Florida by 65-0! ;D

Don't forget about Central Michigan beating Purdue 38-17 >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2014, 12:51:11 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2014, 12:00:13 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
Not a good day for Michigan teams - I haven't checked D2 scores, but Olivet and Adrian may have been the only winners.  Though EMU played a helluva game - only lost to Florida by 65-0! ;D

Don't forget about Central Michigan beating Purdue 38-17 >:(

Yeah, I remembered that right after I hit 'post'.  Don't know about Western, Northern, GVSU, etc.  but overall, not a good day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 07, 2014, 07:33:13 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 07, 2014, 12:00:13 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
Not a good day for Michigan teams - I haven't checked D2 scores, but Olivet and Adrian may have been the only winners.  Though EMU played a helluva game - only lost to Florida by 65-0! ;D

Don't forget about Central Michigan beating Purdue 38-17 >:(

FIRE UP CHIPS!

(My girlfriend is in her first year teaching at Central Michigan and I've dragged her onto the Chips' bandwagon...her words: "I'm here for the next year at least; so we might as well try out everything the place has to offer" - we went to the home opener last week, and she's already bought our tickets for next week's game vs. Syracuse)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 07, 2014, 11:22:58 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 06, 2014, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 06, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
It is going to be a nice day, so either will be a good choice. I have heard that we (Olivet) might have a large crowd. If you do come to Olivet, I am not afraid of meeting posters on here. Before the game would be better since we have a home volleyball match in the gym at 5 p.m. and I have to get in there for that.

Sounds like a deal.  Nice weather ... big crowd ... home opener ... and a team building on momentum and success from last season.  I'll see if I can track you down before the game.

Nice meeting you at the game, yesterday. Feel free to post on here about your thoughts from the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
sac PM'd me that he had been misinformed, and the injured couple (both critical condition, one expected to recover, the other probably not) was not formerd3db and his wife.  Hopefully he will post soon and relieve any anxieties.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 07, 2014, 02:27:36 PM
My apologies if I caused any alarm.
Title: Olivet game observations
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 07, 2014, 03:52:27 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 07, 2014, 11:22:58 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 06, 2014, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 06, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
It is going to be a nice day, so either will be a good choice. I have heard that we (Olivet) might have a large crowd. If you do come to Olivet, I am not afraid of meeting posters on here. Before the game would be better since we have a home volleyball match in the gym at 5 p.m. and I have to get in there for that.

Sounds like a deal.  Nice weather ... big crowd ... home opener ... and a team building on momentum and success from last season.  I'll see if I can track you down before the game.

Nice meeting you at the game, yesterday. Feel free to post on here about your thoughts from the game.

Thoughts on the Olivet College Comets home opener.  Olivet seems to have picked up where they left off last year, albeit Wilmington didn't provide as much competition as I thought they might.  The Quakers are obviously still in the rebuilding/recovering mode.  Olivet showed some good defense although they didn't always contain the Wilmington QB when he ran out of the pocket.  The Comets had some good "red zone" stops.  I was most impressed with Olivet's offense.  The QB showed good leadership, a good arm (349 yds. passing although the Quaker defense seemed to be playing a little soft), and ran effectively when he had to.  The running game was steady and determined with a lot of yards gained after contact.  Most impressive was Olivet's receiving corps with some gutsy catches across the middle in traffic and also good speed down field. 

After what Loras did to Elmhurst yesterday, Olivet should get another win at home next week and I would be so bold as to say they will be 3-0 going into their MIAA opener against Adrian. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2014, 07:22:31 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

It was not me/my wife.  Nonetheless, I am sorry to hear of an accident, although I do not know anything about it.  I will keep the two people who were involved in my prayers.  I was supposed to go with the team for the game Saturday, however, some personal aspects came up for me late last week preventing me from doing so.  I will be at our home opener this Saturday.

Various (random) thoughts:

Your IWU had a nice win against Franklin.  Your former EMU got blasted by Florida as expected after a nice opening win the first week against Morgan State.  I see they only had just over 8700 for the game at Rynearson (now "The Grey Factory" :o ;)), although they played the same day at the U of Mich/Applch St. game just "down the road" which had 106,811 for the day.  EMU needs to try and avoid scheduling home games when Michigan has home games if possible. 

Speaking of attendance figures, it was nice to see most of the MIAA teams have games (either home or away) that had attendance in the mid-upper 2000's.  The disappointing exceptions were Kazoo only have mid-500 and Hope @ Monmouth only having about 870.  With the enthusiasm heading into the season for Kazoo, including 90 players and after having a nice record last year, it was disappointing to see they had such a low crowd for the home opener as well as that they lost the game.  I thought Rose-Hulman was not supposed to be that good this year.

Alma is in big trouble.  I expected them to not have much chance of winning at Heidi, since the latter is so good as expected, however, the shellshacking they had was a little surprising.  I am not sure what is going on up at Alma-difficulties in recruiting is what I've hear via the "MIAA rumor mill" (sorry, borrowing sac's term here! ;D).  I was surprised at Hope's loss, although it appears that turnovers had a big part. 

That's all for now.  Talk to you all later.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2014, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 08, 2014, 07:22:31 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

It was not me/my wife.  Nonetheless, I am sorry to hear of an accident, although I do not know anything about it.  I will keep the two people who were involved in my prayers.  I was supposed to go with the team for the game Saturday, however, some personal aspects came up for me late last week preventing me from doing so.  I will be at our home opener this Saturday.

Various (random) thoughts:

Your IWU had a nice win against Franklin.  Your former EMU got blasted by Florida as expected after a nice opening win the first week against Morgan State.  I see they only had just over 8700 for the game at Rynearson (now "The Grey Factory" :o ;)), although they played the same day at the U of Mich/Applch St. game just "down the road" which had 106,811 for the day. EMU needs to try and avoid scheduling home games when Michigan has home games if possible.

Speaking of attendance figures, it was nice to see most of the MIAA teams have games (either home or away) that had attendance in the mid-upper 2000's.  The disappointing exceptions were Kazoo only have mid-500 and Hope @ Monmouth only having about 870.  With the enthusiasm heading into the season for Kazoo, including 90 players and after having a nice record last year, it was disappointing to see they had such a low crowd for the home opener as well as that they lost the game.  I thought Rose-Hulman was not supposed to be that good this year.

Alma is in big trouble.  I expected them to not have much chance of winning at Heidi, since the latter is so good as expected, however, the shellshacking they had was a little surprising.  I am not sure what is going on up at Alma-difficulties in recruiting is what I've hear via the "MIAA rumor mill" (sorry, borrowing sac's term here! ;D).  I was surprised at Hope's loss, although it appears that turnovers had a big part. 

That's all for now.  Talk to you all later.     

Agreed, with one exception - on the relatively rare occasions that Michigan plays a night home game, they should do everything possible to schedule a day game.  Maybe, just maybe, they could lure some of those 100,000+ fans to see an 'opening act'.

Of the 8,700 people they drew to the first game, I dare say over half were freshmen who didn't know any better.  And they likely will never be back.  It is one thing to be really bad, but EMU has (most years) also been boring.  Without cheating on attendance count, I doubt they will ever average even 5,000 for a season.  Though I am excited about their new coach, Chris Creighton(?) (late of Wabash and Drake(?) - if anyone can get them to be exciting and a winning team, he seems to be it.  And, even with all the almost insurmountable obstacles they face (most notably being totally overshadowed by Michigan and being primarily a commuter school with an average student age probably north of 25), if they DO become exciting and a winning team, they WILL begin to draw D1 sorts of numbers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: gohope on September 11, 2014, 12:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
sac PM'd me that he had been misinformed, and the injured couple (both critical condition, one expected to recover, the other probably not) was not formerd3db and his wife.  Hopefully he will post soon and relieve any anxieties.


The couple that was involved in the Wrong-way accident last Friday in Marne are actually the Grandparents of Hope FB Captain Joe Droppers. They are Don and Shirley VanHoeven, and Shirley lost her fight from the accident on Monday evening. Don has been released from the hospital but still has a lot of recovering to go thru. Don also played football for Hope while a student years ago. Please keep the VanHoeven Family in your thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2014, 05:26:41 PM
I had been informed of this sad news last evening.  Indeed, my prayers are for Doc Don, Kurt and Deb (his daughter and son-in-law), Joe and his siblings/brothers and all the family.  Prayers also for the other survivor of the accident (that man's wife was killed in the accident also it is my understanding).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 12, 2014, 01:03:35 PM
Does anybody here have a read on Alma? I'm traveling to the middle of the mitten tomorrow to broadcast the North Park @ Alma contest, and I'm trying to get a feel for the Scots. Last week they were eviscerated by Heidelberg down in Tiffin, 72-7, but, since Heidelberg's posted a good record over the past three years, I have to sort out just how much of that beatdown was the Student Princes being a good team and how much of it was Alma being a bad team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 12, 2014, 01:08:25 PM
Alma was 1-9 last year, and lost to Heidelberg 52-7
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 13, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Gregory:

Alma is simply not a very good team, unfortunately.  Let's keep it at that for now.  Obviously, you will have a better assessment of them after today's outcome, whatever that might be.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3SportzBall on September 18, 2014, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 13, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Gregory:

Alma is simply not a very good team, unfortunately.  Let's keep it at that for now.  Obviously, you will have a better assessment of them after today's outcome, whatever that might be.

Well, Alma had a pretty convincing (31-7) win over North Park last Saturday, so they must not be all that bad.  Especially when you see that North Park only lost 28-31 in week 1 to a Concordia (Wis.) team that was in the playoffs last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 18, 2014, 01:54:32 PM
Quote from: D3SportzBall on September 18, 2014, 01:37:02 PM
Well, Alma had a pretty convincing (31-7) win over North Park last Saturday, so they must not be all that bad.  Especially when you see that North Park only lost 28-31 in week 1 to a Concordia (Wis.) team that was in the playoffs last year.

Alma should be congratulated for their win over NP; after last season, any win for them is a good win.  But context matters when interpreting this stuff, and saying "they beat a team that played one of last year's playoff teams close in week 1!" takes a few leaps of logic that we need to clarify.

Concordia (Wis.) was a playoff team last year from one of the, uh, "least good" conferences in Division III.  That Concordia team got eviscerated by the two best teams it played (including 5-5 Augsburg from the MIAC, who beat them 51-17) and also lost to a Trine team that went 1-5 in the MIAA.  In any conference but the NACC, they're not going to the playoffs, and that's not a potshot at the NACC, just a realistic view.  Throwing out the fact that they were a playoff team without that bit of context is a little on the disingenuous side.

North Park is a trendy sleeper pick of sorts after their surprising three-win season last year, and I was surprised that Alma beat them, but please take a look at NPU's record over the last decade before you get too proud of Alma's win there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 18, 2014, 06:25:25 PM
fwiw, masseyratings.com is giving Alma a pretty good chance at a 3-7 season and a 50/50 game with Olivet that could make it 4 wins.

Alma's non-conf schedule is quite a bit easier this year so take that into consideration.   Alma played Heidelberg, IWU, Lakeland and UW-Oshkosh last year, this year they traded  North Park and Concordia, Ill (CURF for Sager) for IWU/Oshkosh.  A decidedly easier task.

And while they went 1-9 last year they did lose an OT game to Olivet and nearly beat conference champ Albion.

They may not have been the bottom of the barrel program some thought.  Plus one win is still one more win than Calvin had last year. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 18, 2014, 06:26:55 PM
btw, its early but Massey is saying the MIAA will be close, decided by these 3 games

Adrian 23 Albion 22
Hope 21 Adrian 20
Albion 30 Hope 28
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 18, 2014, 06:32:06 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2014, 06:25:25 PM
fwiw, masseyratings.com is giving Alma a pretty good chance at a 3-7 season and a 50/50 game with Olivet that could make it 4 wins.

Alma's non-conf schedule is quite a bit easier this year so take that into consideration.   Alma played Heidelberg, IWU, Lakeland and UW-Oshkosh last year, this year they traded  North Park and Concordia, Ill (CURF for Sager) for IWU/Oshkosh.  A decidedly easier task.

And while they went 1-9 last year they did lose an OT game to Olivet and nearly beat conference champ Albion.

They may not have been the bottom of the barrel program some thought.  Plus one win is still one more win than Calvin had last year. :)

True, but on the downside, it's also 9 more losses than Calvin had! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 18, 2014, 06:47:30 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2014, 06:25:25 PM
Alma's non-conf schedule is quite a bit easier this year so take that into consideration.   Alma played Heidelberg, IWU, Lakeland and UW-Oshkosh last year, this year they traded  North Park and Concordia, Ill (CURF for Sager) for IWU/Oshkosh.  A decidedly easier task.

Sorry if that came out wrong; the intent of my post was not to bash on Alma so much as to say "Yo, D3SportzBall, "beating a team that lost close in Week 1 to a team that was in the playoffs last year" is a little misleading."  But you do make some great points that Alma's 1-9 last year included a couple of close losses and a brutal OOC schedule - Heidelberg, IWU, and UWO is a triumvirate that only a handful of Division III teams (like, literally, maybe 10, tops; Mount, UWW, UMHB, Linfield, North Central, Wesley are the only teams I can rattle off that would definitely be "favorites" against all three, anyone else is probably a toss-up) could comfortably navigate unscathed.  It's not like they were close to winning those games, but you're absolutely right that trading out three Top 25-caliber teams for a couple of opponents on their level could lead to a 3-7ish record.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3SportzBall on September 18, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 18, 2014, 01:54:32 PM
Quote from: D3SportzBall on September 18, 2014, 01:37:02 PM
Well, Alma had a pretty convincing (31-7) win over North Park last Saturday, so they must not be all that bad.  Especially when you see that North Park only lost 28-31 in week 1 to a Concordia (Wis.) team that was in the playoffs last year.

Alma should be congratulated for their win over NP; after last season, any win for them is a good win.  But context matters when interpreting this stuff, and saying "they beat a team that played one of last year's playoff teams close in week 1!" takes a few leaps of logic that we need to clarify.

Concordia (Wis.) was a playoff team last year from one of the, uh, "least good" conferences in Division III.  That Concordia team got eviscerated by the two best teams it played (including 5-5 Augsburg from the MIAC, who beat them 51-17) and also lost to a Trine team that went 1-5 in the MIAA.  In any conference but the NACC, they're not going to the playoffs, and that's not a potshot at the NACC, just a realistic view.  Throwing out the fact that they were a playoff team without that bit of context is a little on the disingenuous side.

North Park is a trendy sleeper pick of sorts after their surprising three-win season last year, and I was surprised that Alma beat them, but please take a look at NPU's record over the last decade before you get too proud of Alma's win there.

Wow, talk about taking what I said and making it what you wanted it to seem like I said.  I was just trying to give Alma some credit for not being dumpster-fire bad like some people might have thought after getting slaughtered in week 1.   I still don't think they're great, nor am I getting "too proud" of their win.  Just interesting to see them rebound after such a demoralizing defeat in their first game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3SportzBall on September 18, 2014, 09:13:42 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 18, 2014, 06:47:30 PM
Quote from: sac on September 18, 2014, 06:25:25 PM
Alma's non-conf schedule is quite a bit easier this year so take that into consideration.   Alma played Heidelberg, IWU, Lakeland and UW-Oshkosh last year, this year they traded  North Park and Concordia, Ill (CURF for Sager) for IWU/Oshkosh.  A decidedly easier task.

Sorry if that came out wrong; the intent of my post was not to bash on Alma so much as to say "Yo, D3SportzBall, "beating a team that lost close in Week 1 to a team that was in the playoffs last year" is a little misleading."  But you do make some great points that Alma's 1-9 last year included a couple of close losses and a brutal OOC schedule - Heidelberg, IWU, and UWO is a triumvirate that only a handful of Division III teams (like, literally, maybe 10, tops; Mount, UWW, UMHB, Linfield, North Central, Wesley are the only teams I can rattle off that would definitely be "favorites" against all three, anyone else is probably a toss-up) could comfortably navigate unscathed.  It's not like they were close to winning those games, but you're absolutely right that trading out three Top 25-caliber teams for a couple of opponents on their level could lead to a 3-7ish record.

I mean, it's only misleading if you interpret it how you did.  All I did was point out a fact, don't know why you thought I was being overly proud of said fact.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Sir Battlescars on September 19, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
I agree with D3SportzBall. It was impressive to see Alma bounce back in week 2 with a convincing win. No reason to over critic their opponent and their opponent's opponent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: D3SportzBall on September 18, 2014, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 13, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Gregory:

Alma is simply not a very good team, unfortunately.  Let's keep it at that for now.  Obviously, you will have a better assessment of them after today's outcome, whatever that might be.

Well, Alma had a pretty convincing (31-7) win over North Park last Saturday, so they must not be all that bad.  Especially when you see that North Park only lost 28-31 in week 1 to a Concordia (Wis.) team that was in the playoffs last year.

Nah, I'm with ExTartanPlayer here. I mean, there are 32 playoff teams and two dozen automatic bids in any given year. Not all automatic bids are created equally. Just because CUW was in the playoffs in 2013 doesn't mean they would have been competitive in the CCIW and North Park hanging with them is completely expected.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2014, 02:03:10 PM
MIAA wins the MIAA-NACC Challenge 6-1 yesterday. Only former MIAA football only member Wisconsin Lutheran got a win for the NACC over Kalamazoo.

Olivet 49 Aurora 20
Trine 27 Rockford 7
Hope 25 Lakeland 22
Albion 57 Concordia Wisconsin 20
Alma 24 Concordia Chicago 21
Adrian 23 Benedictine 6
Wisconsin Lutheran 32 Kalamazoo 20
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 21, 2014, 06:20:45 PM
combined records of opponents to date:

Adrian:  0-8
Albion:   5-3
Alma:     1-6
Hope:    3-4
Kzoo:    7-2
Olivet:   1-6
Trine:     4-4


I didn't realize the entire league had this upcoming weekend off.  Weird.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 22, 2014, 05:50:46 PM
Quote from: sac on September 21, 2014, 06:20:45 PM
combined records of opponents to date:

Adrian:  0-8
Albion:   5-3
Alma:     1-6
Hope:    3-4
Kzoo:    7-2
Olivet:   1-6
Trine:     4-4

I didn't realize the entire league had this upcoming weekend off.  Weird.

Every one has this week off because of the scheduling agreement with the NACC. The school for each conference who is "off" each week will now be playing the "off" team from the other conference. Make sense?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 26, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
Who chose this weekend for byes?  Enjoy this insanely beautiful weekend.

I might suggest up North somewhere.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 26, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: sac on September 26, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
Who chose this weekend for byes?  Enjoy this insanely beautiful weekend.

I might suggest up North somewhere.

That is a great idea, unless one wants to take in one of the other level area games (Michigan State, U of Michigan, Ferris State or Grand Valley State).  Speaking of the latter two, I am shocked that Ferris is 3-0 and Grand Valley 0-3.  Tony Annese has Ferris on track, although they only had 5600+ for the Ferris/Grand Valley game last week, which surprises me as I thought they would have more.  However, Grand Valley did have 15,500 for their home game against Ohio Dominican the week before according to the box score.  Wow, impressive.

sac, are you then going north or heading to Michigan State or U of Mich? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 27, 2014, 10:35:33 PM
Of course as I'm finally starting to not be as busy and I've gotten a chance to look in on the boards and catch up it's te week that there's nothing going on in the MIAA.

I'll start with rubbing in the fact that my Gophers took home the jug tonight in a convincing throttling of Big Blue  ;)

I'll move on to try and catch up with Alma football and put in my two cents after what I've read

First off week one probably could have been a little closer had Alma's two best corners not decided to end their football careers. The south Florida duo of Rhyan Smith and Fabrice Constant both chose to not play this year. Fellow Miami native Jamal Randal - the best athlete returning to the Scots from a year ago - also did not return to campus with financial reasons being his big issue. A problem you run into when charging 40+ a year to come to school.

Week two I thought freshman Dylan Zambrowski really lit a fire for the Scots. The dual threat QB will really be a huge difference for the Scots. The kid is showing early flashes of Mackenzie McGrady and - is it too soon to say this? - maybe even a little inner josh brehm. The problem is that there's not enough skill players around him. The trio of running backs was surprisingly effective and I thought the Scots did a good job of getting Tyler waters the ball many different ways.

The defense also impressed me, and I think even without smith and constant they will be a very solid group in the MIAA. Terry Calagon is an absolute stud and has gotten bigger and stronger since a year ago. They did a good job of shutting down the Cal transfer and making him look rather uncomfortable in the pocket.

Finally I thought that was the most energy I had felt in Bahlke Field since the Scots' last this place MIAA campaign (2008 I believe). The night game was a ton of fun and the stadium was rocking (no literally the student section was moving up and down more than the infamous galloping gurdy bridge)

Overall I'm expecting the Scots to be much more competitive in the league this year and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Alma pull off an upset or two during the year. Hopefully I'll be able to make it an effort to check in more often on the boards.

Hope everyone is well
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 28, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 26, 2014, 04:31:47 PM

sac, are you then going north or heading to Michigan State or U of Mich? ;)

I wish I had gone up North.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2014, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: sac on September 28, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 26, 2014, 04:31:47 PM

sac, are you then going north or heading to Michigan State or U of Mich? ;)

I wish I had gone up North.

I agree-same for me.  My son-in-law and I cringed as we watched the game on TV.  Michigan is near past the point of being in big trouble.  It has the same feeling for me that we all experienced during Hope's consecutive 3-7 stretches.  I hope they can salvage the season.  A surprise upset of Michigan State would help, although, at this present time, I think the chances of that happening are slim to none. 

Regardless, I Hope that our Hope is ready to play @ Albion next week.  I enjoy the old yet revised stadium atmosphere there, especially at this time in fall (as long as it doesn't rain), although we know how tough it is for Hope to win down there.  I hope the weather continues to be nice for next weekend there  (and beyond for a while longer).   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 28, 2014, 06:11:27 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 28, 2014, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: sac on September 28, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 26, 2014, 04:31:47 PM

sac, are you then going north or heading to Michigan State or U of Mich? ;)

I wish I had gone up North.

I agree-same for me.  My son-in-law and I cringed as we watched the game on TV.  Michigan is near past the point of being in big trouble.  It has the same feeling for me that we all experienced during Hope's consecutive 3-7 stretches.  I hope they can salvage the season.  A surprise upset of Michigan State would help, although, at this present time, I think the chances of that happening are slim to none. 

Regardless, I Hope that our Hope is ready to play @ Albion next week.  I enjoy the old yet revised stadium atmosphere there, especially at this time in fall (as long as it doesn't rain), although we know how tough it is for Hope to win down there.  I hope the weather continues to be nice for next weekend there  (and beyond for a while longer).

60 and partly cloudy is the early look at next  Saturday.

Michigan shouldn't come within 50 of State, if they do Dantonio took his foot off the pedal.  Michigan may not win a Big Ten game this season, they are truly awful.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on September 29, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
Ok well I was at the UofM game Saturday several issues.
OL play, play calling, Nuss can not be this conservative, my son and I have a competition as EX defense players and coach's guessing the call and play.  Each time UofM lined up it was pretty easy to see what the play was.
Morris was handcuffed in the first half trying to play it safe, praying the defense could keep it close.
Second half started with a bang, penalty on kick off start in a hole and proceed to play in bad field position the rest of the half. Morris was hurt on goal line run/sack and should have been pulled right then for his own safety, lucky UofM did not get hit with a safety on that play. he was having trouble standing during the Official review of the play.
It was not Morris fault what happened out there, play calling is lame, OL is porous, all underclassmen need to grow, need to be more physical. Never should have been out there to take that Knock Out shot later in game he could not protect himself neither could the OL. easy to second guess after seeing things on TV and all the reviews yet someone should/Has to look out for the kid. Morris is not going to pull himself players play, Players fight for each other they know it was his dream.
Going out after the concussing is just completely unbelievable.
Hoke is in trouble lack of accountability on him and staff. Nice guy, good position coach can not coach a Big Time program.


On to the MIAA Albion vs Hope great high value game early in the season. Should be a real bell weather for the league to see who goes deep in league play. league play heats up with football weather on the forecast.

I think Albion is the best of the league yet this week we see the real story going forward.
I Will be at lake this weekend and hoping to make the game.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 29, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
My uncle insists last years Hope/Albion game was one of the best he's ever witnessed.
http://miaa.org/fb/stats/13/1116achc.htm

I can't believe there are no highlights online of it.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: sac on September 29, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
My uncle insists last years Hope/Albion game was one of the best he's ever witnessed.
http://miaa.org/fb/stats/13/1116achc.htm

I can't believe there are no highlights online of it.

While that was a great game, my votes  are for the 1975 21-21 tie and the 1977 Albion 39-28 win.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2014, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: D306 on September 29, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
Ok well I was at the UofM game Saturday several issues.
OL play, play calling, Nuss can not be this conservative, my son and I have a competition as EX defense players and coach's guessing the call and play.  Each time UofM lined up it was pretty easy to see what the play was.
Morris was handcuffed in the first half trying to play it safe, praying the defense could keep it close.
Second half started with a bang, penalty on kick off start in a hole and proceed to play in bad field position the rest of the half. Morris was hurt on goal line run/sack and should have been pulled right then for his own safety, lucky UofM did not get hit with a safety on that play. he was having trouble standing during the Official review of the play.
It was not Morris fault what happened out there, play calling is lame, OL is porous, all underclassmen need to grow, need to be more physical. Never should have been out there to take that Knock Out shot later in game he could not protect himself neither could the OL. easy to second guess after seeing things on TV and all the reviews yet someone should/Has to look out for the kid. Morris is not going to pull himself players play, Players fight for each other they know it was his dream.
Going out after the concussing is just completely unbelievable.
Hoke is in trouble lack of accountability on him and staff. Nice guy, good position coach can not coach a Big Time program.


On to the MIAA Albion vs Hope great high value game early in the season. Should be a real bell weather for the league to see who goes deep in league play. league play heats up with football weather on the forecast.

I think Albion is the best of the league yet this week we see the real story going forward.
I Will be at lake this weekend and hoping to make the game.

1) As to Albion being the best in the league so far, you are probably right since they have played stronger opponents than Adrian.  However, I have to go with Adrian since they are 3-0 until they lose and until I see how Albion looks in person this Saturday.

2) Agree with you regarding Michigan.  Hoke is deservedly getting criticism over the concussion aspect.  My other question is what were the medical staff and trainers doing?  Even if they didn't think Morris was that bad (and I personally can't believe he wasn't having trouble because it was clearly visible on TV that he was dazed), he should have been taken out. There should be no question about that in today's era and certainly in the last 2-3 years the more strict adherence to that type of policy has for the most part been followed everywhere.  In this era, you simply can't take chances like that.  The head coach should have been informed by the training/medical staff.  If he was and they still didn't take him out at the very least for a series or two, then they all are at fault. 

Anyway, as I mentioned and also agree with you, I believe Michigan is in big-trouble this season.  At this point, I am not confident they will be able to salvage the season.  And...people leaving the stadium in the 3rd quarter like "rats leaving a sinking ship" might not be a good omen! ;D ::) :o :( :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 30, 2014, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 29, 2014, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: D306 on September 29, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
Ok well I was at the UofM game Saturday several issues.
OL play, play calling, Nuss can not be this conservative, my son and I have a competition as EX defense players and coach's guessing the call and play.  Each time UofM lined up it was pretty easy to see what the play was.
Morris was handcuffed in the first half trying to play it safe, praying the defense could keep it close.
Second half started with a bang, penalty on kick off start in a hole and proceed to play in bad field position the rest of the half. Morris was hurt on goal line run/sack and should have been pulled right then for his own safety, lucky UofM did not get hit with a safety on that play. he was having trouble standing during the Official review of the play.
It was not Morris fault what happened out there, play calling is lame, OL is porous, all underclassmen need to grow, need to be more physical. Never should have been out there to take that Knock Out shot later in game he could not protect himself neither could the OL. easy to second guess after seeing things on TV and all the reviews yet someone should/Has to look out for the kid. Morris is not going to pull himself players play, Players fight for each other they know it was his dream.
Going out after the concussing is just completely unbelievable.
Hoke is in trouble lack of accountability on him and staff. Nice guy, good position coach can not coach a Big Time program.


On to the MIAA Albion vs Hope great high value game early in the season. Should be a real bell weather for the league to see who goes deep in league play. league play heats up with football weather on the forecast.

I think Albion is the best of the league yet this week we see the real story going forward.
I Will be at lake this weekend and hoping to make the game.

1) As to Albion being the best in the league so far, you are probably right since they have played stronger opponents than Adrian.  However, I have to go with Adrian since they are 3-0 until they lose and until I see how Albion looks in person this Saturday.

2) Agree with you regarding Michigan.  Hoke is deservedly getting criticism over the concussion aspect.  My other question is what were the medical staff and trainers doing?  Even if they didn't think Morris was that bad (and I personally can't believe he wasn't having trouble because it was clearly visible on TV that he was dazed), he should have been taken out. There should be no question about that in today's era and certainly in the last 2-3 years the more strict adherence to that type of policy has for the most part been followed everywhere.  In this era, you simply can't take chances like that.  The head coach should have been informed by the training/medical staff.  If he was and they still didn't take him out at the very least for a series or two, then they all are at fault. 

Anyway, as I mentioned and also agree with you, I believe Michigan is in big-trouble this season.  At this point, I am not confident they will be able to salvage the season.  And...people leaving the stadium in the 3rd quarter like "rats leaving a sinking ship" might not be a good omen! ;D ::) :o :( :-\ :-\

Totally unacceptable the way Michigan screwed this up.  Hery Brady, I can understand that from field level there are things you can't see - that's why you wear a headset and communicate with the coaches in "the sky" who have a different view of what is going on.  Might help you with a few other things as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 02, 2014, 03:10:17 PM
masseyratings.com predictions for this week

Albion by 7 over Hope with a 69% chance of victory
Kzoo by 7 over Benedictine  72%
Trine by 7 over Alma 73%
Adrian by 17 over Olivet 88%

Last weeks results edged Adrian into the very slight favorite for the MIAA

Massey likes both Albion and Adrian to beat Hope by 7, and the deciding game being Adrian by 1 over Albion.



Just for kicks...
Massey likes Michigan over Rutgers by 1, but pretty much a toss up at 50%.  They have Michigan underdogs the rest of the way.    I don't disagree with any of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 03, 2014, 08:46:31 PM
Quote from: sac on September 28, 2014, 06:11:27 PM

60 and partly cloudy is the early look at next  Saturday.


5 days later, 47, breezy with a chance of showers.

Pure Michigan!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 04, 2014, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2014, 08:46:31 PM
Quote from: sac on September 28, 2014, 06:11:27 PM

60 and partly cloudy is the early look at next  Saturday.


5 days later, 47, breezy with a chance of showers.

Pure Michigan!

Football weather! Finally feels like fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAA in Exile on October 04, 2014, 04:02:19 PM
What a game at Albion.  Two years in a row game decided by the kicking game.  Hope showed great moxie after having the ball at their own 1 yard line to move into position to win it in regulation, but Albion blocked the kick.  Earlier Albion needed a 2 pt. extra point to tie it up at 30.

Albion scores in OT and the Hope marches right back with a TD of their own, but the extra point is blocked.

Not a great day for kickers as Albion missed two XP as well

Another exciting installment in the Hope Albion Rivalry.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2014, 06:37:11 PM
Quote from: MIAA in Exile on October 04, 2014, 04:02:19 PM
What a game at Albion.  Two years in a row game decided by the kicking game.  Hope showed great moxie after having the ball at their own 1 yard line to move into position to win it in regulation, but Albion blocked the kick.  Earlier Albion needed a 2 pt. extra point to tie it up at 30.

Albion scores in OT and the Hope marches right back with a TD of their own, but the extra point is blocked.

Not a great day for kickers as Albion missed two XP as well

Another exciting installment in the Hope Albion Rivalry.


Hope missed a PAT in the first half as well.  Another disappointing loss to Albion.  An additional disappointment again was the lack of class by many of the Albion fans and players (and some of their coaches), however, that is nothing new and as expected as has been demonstrated/experienced over the years, unfortunately. :(

Good crowd for Albion's Homecoming at 4244 as listed, although it might have been more were it not for the rain right before the game and the colder weather.  We did enjoy sunshine, though, for the first half before the clouds and slightly colder temperature came in for the second half.  Yet, at least it didn't rain for any of the game and overall, a great fall football college game day at a historic campus.

Although it is early, with today's scores (and if Adrian loses to Olivet), indications are that it might be a tight MIAA race among several teams and not just Albion, Adrian.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on October 04, 2014, 07:28:33 PM
Not sure what you saw that was unsportsmanlike.  I was at the game and in the stands and did not see anything I would call unsportsmanlike. ???

All in all a very close game that was decided by both teams special teams. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2014, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: vandyboy on October 04, 2014, 07:28:33 PM
Not sure what you saw that was unsportsmanlike.  I was at the game and in the stands and did not see anything I would call unsportsmanlike. ???

All in all a very close game that was decided by both teams special teams.

Being in the stands, you were not on the sidelines.  Thus, I would not expect you to have heard the foul language used by some Albion players, many Albion fans down around the sidelines and even a couple of Albion coaches.  Most of the this was the 4th quarter, although we heard the latter i.e. coaches all the way across the field so it is somewhat surprising you did not hear that-perhaps you were shielded by the band or even at the concession stand. ;)) I would be surprised if you would not think such conduct as unsportsmanlike.  The majority of people I know would agree that it is.  Also, unfortunately, there are always 2-3 Albion players each year that "cross the line" with excessive taunting-a couple came close today to getting penalized for that.  I am not saying any of our players don't do that, however, again, there unfortunately are always a couple of Albion players every year who take this to the extreme and their coaching staff has historically declined to address this (and/or looked the other way), even when having been approached by other coaching staffs.  So before you accuse me of this being "sour grapes", it is not whatsoever, but rather simply relating the truth of what has occurred almost on a yearly basis the past several years and again today.  We are all supposed to uphold the sportsmanship conduct code of the MIAA and that includes fans/spectators, not just coaches and players and support staff.

All that said, on a positive note, I agree with you that it was a very exciting game decided by the special teams play and Albion deserved the win without question.  My observation was that aside from the special teams play, Hope could not stop the slant and bubble pass plays that Albion successfully ran, although Hope's offensive line did a tremendous job blocking for the running plays. Hope's defense as a whole seemed to stop Albion's running game fairly well (except for those fake bubble pass/mis-direction playaction run plays) forcing Albion to rely more on their passing game.

As I also mentioned in my previous post, I think it is going to be an exciting league race.  While that occurs in most years as we all know historically, from what I saw today of both teams, I believe that will be especially true this year.  I don't think any team has lock or clear path to the title right now, unless, of course, someone simply implodes in the next couple of weeks! :o ;)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on October 06, 2014, 03:41:03 PM
Sorry to say formerd3db....but it does sound a bit more like "sour grapes" than anything else.  If you were right down on the sidelines and yet have no direct incidents to name off for the Hope players and coaches it seems a bit suspect.  In such a high emotion rivalry game it seems odd that you only heard foul language from Albion players and coaches, but nothing from the Hope side.  Because I am sure it was happening on both sides.  If vandyboy was possibly "shielded by the band or even at the concession stand" then it seems possible that you were shielded by your Hope sense of superiority.  But then again if I recall correctly, this topic comes up each season and just about every team...other than maybe KZoo...has been called classless at one time or another.  And it typically comes from a fan of the team that lost. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on October 06, 2014, 11:35:36 PM
Yes as a fan I was in the stands and not on the sidelines.  And as anyone who has been to Albion knows the home side is elevated and behind the track.  I was in the East end next to the band, and not at the concession stand (please).  I heard nothing what so ever from the field.  And as far as your so called taunting by Albion's players, I saw nothing of the sort from either team.  It was an emotional game no different than the last five years that I have seen.

If I recall Albion immediately lined up at the 50 to shake hands with the Hope players after the initial celebration.  I know from my son's playing at Albion for four years that Hope along with Adrian are Albion's main rivals, and this year was no different.  The game I watched was cleanly played by two fairly closely matched squads.

Best of luck to Hope the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: vandyboy on October 06, 2014, 11:35:36 PM
Yes as a fan I was in the stands and not on the sidelines.  And as anyone who has been to Albion knows the home side is elevated and behind the track.  I was in the East end next to the band, and not at the concession stand (please).  I heard nothing what so ever from the field.  And as far as your so called taunting by Albion's players, I saw nothing of the sort from either team.  It was an emotional game no different than the last five years that I have seen.

If I recall Albion immediately lined up at the 50 to shake hands with the Hope players after the initial celebration.  I know from my son's playing at Albion for four years that Hope along with Adrian are Albion's main rivals, and this year was no different.  The game I watched was cleanly played by two fairly closely matched squads.

Best of luck to Hope the rest of the season.

Quote from: Cousin Eddie on October 06, 2014, 03:41:03 PM
Sorry to say formerd3db....but it does sound a bit more like "sour grapes" than anything else.  If you were right down on the sidelines and yet have no direct incidents to name off for the Hope players and coaches it seems a bit suspect.  In such a high emotion rivalry game it seems odd that you only heard foul language from Albion players and coaches, but nothing from the Hope side.  Because I am sure it was happening on both sides.  If vandyboy was possibly "shielded by the band or even at the concession stand" then it seems possible that you were shielded by your Hope sense of superiority.  But then again if I recall correctly, this topic comes up each season and just about every team...other than maybe KZoo...has been called classless at one time or another.  And it typically comes from a fan of the team that lost. 

So, are both of you then saying that I am untruthful-or let's be candid here-calling me a liar??  You both can believe what you want, but I know what I saw and heard and there are others who will back me up on this.  Nor did I say that our players never used some poor choice of words-in fact, I made that specific statement to the contrary.  Rather, I was pointing out (referring to 3 specific incidents that I and some other persons witnessed/heard without question). And I'm not going to name specific names or go into more detail (I certainly can, but will not)-that is pointless as has been borne out in the past as I shared about past experiences (and there is much, much more to the latter than you know). 

BTW, you obviously missed my attempt at humor regarding the concession stand/band comment! ;D  I also know full well about the rivalry between the teams having been associated with the MIAA for many years in several ways, so you don't have to remind me of that! ;) Of course, tensions and emotions get intense in heated rivalries.  That's not the point.  Regardless, it is also pointless to debate this further so I will move on. 

Anyway, best of luck to Albion as well the rest of the season.  Again, as I've mentioned, at this current time, I believe it will be an even closer race this year than many of us thought, especially after Olivet's win this past Sat, although it is certainly still early!  Despite their bad/slow start, Alma could be a spoiler, wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on October 08, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
To be quite clear I do not think I ever mentioned nor implied that you were lying.  All I was saying and I 100% stand by is that I heard nothing sitting in the home stands from the field, and I still stand by that I saw nothing that could be taken as taunting.  I am not going to get into a he said/he said banter.  I do not know your capacity in association with Hope for you to be on the field.  It does not matter.  Again, all I was saying is that from the Albion side of the field, nothing was heard nor seen that could be taken as unsportsmanlike.  If you want to take that statement as being called a liar, so be it.  I am sure a lot of things were said on the field given the rivalry, but from a fan standpoint, it was not visible.  Been put to bed.

I also think the league will be a close one as well.  Olivet could and probably will be a fly in the ointment.  Their coach has them headed in the right direction.  Looking at their coaching staff (Olivet) it appears a good share of Trine's staff went with him.  Which might explain Trine's slight slide of late.  I am not sold on Alma as of yet.  Time will tell.  We have Kzoo this week and then a night game at Adrian the following week.  Fun times in the MIAA.

Whoever comes out of the MIAA this year I do not think they will fare to well in the tournament.  I can't speak for the other schools in the MIAA but I have heard that our enrollment is down quite a bit this year.  On a side note, I have never understood how they determine the D3/D2 distinction.  I understand the scholarship issue, but I remember when we played UW Whitewater my son's junior year and we traveled to WI is was like men playing boys.  Their enrollment was it that time I think just over 10k where Albion and most MIAA schools are around 1500-2000.  Quite a difference.

On to better and more peaceful matters........
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 08, 2014, 11:41:20 AM
Quote from: vandyboy on October 08, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
On a side note, I have never understood how they determine the D3/D2 distinction.  I understand the scholarship issue, but I remember when we played UW Whitewater my son's junior year and we traveled to WI is was like men playing boys.  Their enrollment was it that time I think just over 10k where Albion and most MIAA schools are around 1500-2000.  Quite a difference.

It is true that the WIAC schools are a bit different in profile than most Division III schools.  They are (relatively) large state-funded universities, while Division III is comprised of (mostly) private institutions with somewhat smaller enrollment.  The relative advantages of this have been discussed several times in Mount Union versus UWW discussions.

That said, as you allude to by mentioning "the scholarship issue" - schools are not classified by the NCAA based on enrollment.  Nor does it really make sense to do so.  This isn't high school; schools can bring in as many football players as their admissions department will allow, from anywhere in the country.  Some rather small colleges boast very large football rosters.  As long as the "big" enrollment schools are playing by Division III rules - no scholarships, abiding by the practice time limitations and coaching restrictions, etc - it's hard to figure out why overall undergraduate enrollment would matter that much to football success.  Furthermore, the leagues most comparable to the WIAC in terms of overall strength and depth - the Empire 8 and MIAC - are (mostly) composed of small(ish) private schools.

Furthermore, within Division I...Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, and Northwestern all play football in bigtime conferences (ND, of course, is independent, but plays a schedule of largely bigtime teams) despite enrollments far smaller than a number of programs that play in smaller conferences.  Central Florida, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, East Carolina, and Northern Illinois all boast much larger enrollments than any of the aforementioned five.  In fact, UCF is the biggest school in the country.  Hard to say that their enrollment has made them an untouchable juggernaut.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on October 08, 2014, 03:30:58 PM
Ex-Tartan,

Thank you for your input and clarifications.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on October 08, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
Vandyboy....sorry my post got you pulled in to having to defend your comments.

Look formerd3db, nobody was calling you a liar.  I don't doubt that you heard foul language (from both sides).  But I don't think: "I am not saying any of our players don't do that," is really a specific comment to the contrary.  Your comment refers to over the years it may have happened.  It leaves out that Hope more than likely had some foul language on Saturday, just as Albion did.  So again not really a specific comment to the contrary.  In my initial response I was just pointing out that the comments, while true that foul language was heard, did sound more like "sour grapes" due to the loss and your sole focus on Albion.  Because it is likely the case that had Hope been victorious, you would not have brought it up.  And don't worry, I got your attempt at humor....I just chose to ignore it. 


But you are right....it is pointless to debate this much further. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2014, 08:13:52 PM
vandyboy and Cousin Eddy:

Let's be clear here. Nobody pulled anybody into this discussion.  We all joined freely.   

A couple more comments on this in response to both of your latest posts and then I will put this to rest for sure.  Well, if nobody was calling me a liar, your statements sure imply the opposite.  Let's recap...your specific statements said the following... from Cousin Eddy..."if you were right down on the sidelines yet have no direct incidents to name off for the Hope players and coaches it seems a bit suspect" and the other was from vandyboy..."as far as your so called taunting by Albion players, I saw nothing of the sort from either team".  I think anyone who reads that knows what was implied even if you were also commenting on only what you did or did not see or hear yourselves.  You can back track all you want, yet that is what clearly was implied.  I also accepted the fact that you did not see or hear anything yourselves, yet for you to imply those things never happened as I said from my standpoint (and yes on the other side of the field where I was) is absurd. 

Secondly, Cousin Eddy, you for a second time state/imply that these types of comments come from people on the losing side and that I would not have brought the subject up had Hope won.  I clearly said it was not sour grapes, but was bringing it up because I have always done that in the past regardless of who (i.e. what players or coaches for any team) was responsible for such type actions in question in past years (whether it was Hope, Albion or some other teams).  I have called out Hope players on this in the past for such behavior so for you to imply I was doing in response to being on the losing end is simply not correct.  I also clearly stated that Albion deserved to win the game in my original post.  You both want to not get into a he said/she said debate, yet you imply you want me to "name names". I clearly said I will not do that, yet again for you to imply (regardless of how you said it) that what I witnessed never occurred because neither of you didn't see it is ridiculous.  I take both of you at your words that you did not hear or witness incidents, yet, again, you suggest/implied you were unwilling to do the same for me.   Enough.

vandyboy:

Indeed, I join you in thanking ExTartan for his explanations and comments to the discussion topic you brought up.  He always has some good contributory information and insight, IMO.  For sure, there have been some very good discussions here on the various boards in the past on the classifications regarding DII/DIII, including philosophy, both potential and what is actually in place.  ExTartan, indeed, provided a nice explanation on most of that.  Many in the past questioned (or at least brought up the idea) the same inquiry you did with regard to the enrollment concern of the larger DIII schools such as the Wisconsin extension universities.  Probably too far (or too time consuming) for you or us to back track on the boards to revisit those very interesting discussions.

Yet, suffice to say as ExTartan has nicely explained for us also, that, in essence, it is the choice of a specific school as to what level they desire to participate in, with the understanding, of course, that the NCAA has the final approval on this.  An example regarding the latter as I recall (if I am not mistaken), Davenport here in Michigan applied for preliminary consideration of DII, however, was turned down, at least for now, by the NCAA.  Other examples that we could perhaps add to ExTartan's are Rice and the FCS, non-scholarship schools, although the latter are somewhat of a "different animal" to use that old (and probably too often used) term. ;)  Hillsdale is another example; used to be at the smaller college level and former MIAA member (pre DIII) yet with similar enrollment to the MIAA schools, they have chosen to the DII level in the GLIAC, as are some of that leagues "newer" members that have smaller enrollments.  Mercyhurst in Erie is another example that used to be DIII and decided to change to DII as did Upper Iowa which used to be DIII in the Iowa league but is now DII by choice.  St. Joseph, Ind another example.

Now...the other side of the coin is, just because a school chooses (and is accepted to be in) a specific level, should they really be there? ??? ::) ;D (Some would include the MAC DI schools in this and, certainly, many of the DII schools).  But that is another argument-uh, oops, I mean...debate/discussion ;D) for another time!



         
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2014, 08:31:54 PM
vandyboy:

I think you are right about the enrollment being down somewhat this year for most of the MIAA schools, with the exception of Hope and Olivet.  We can could look at those figures to check for sure, although it appears that Olivet is up over the 1000 mark again after several years and Hope has its largest enrollment ever, topping the 3300 mark this year.  For sure, it is becoming more financially difficult for some student-athletes to attend the some of the DIII schools.

Your sharing of your memory of when your son played against UWW brings back some memories.  Back in my own MIAA days, we (and some of the other MIAA schools played some DII schools on occasion.  I recall specifically a couple of years playing DII Indiana Central (which is, of course, now University of Indianapolis) and it was like you said.  Playing against their line seemed like we were playing U of Michigan as they were that huge!  We actually beat them one year, though.  Alma used to play Ferris occasionally as well and held their own.  A final story I'll throw in was back at the 2001 Stagg Bowl. My gosh, Mount Union's starting offensive and defensive lines averaged 305 that year as I recall, which was only two pounds less per man average than Ohio State's lines that year!  Amazing!

Anyway, good luck this weekend, although I don't think your team will need it against Kazoo this year.  Hope has its last non-conf game against Rockford and hopefully will bounce back and be ready for Olivet for Hope's Homecoming the following weekend, which could be an even bigger game of importance if both Olivet and Hope win their games this Saturday.  For everyone, though, I hope the weather holds out to be nice (i.e. no rain), although none of us obviously has a choice in that. :) 

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on October 08, 2014, 11:20:06 PM
Well since I can't help myself, I will put in a last word on this as well.  I do chuckle seeing those negative karma points going up.

The problem then as it seems Former, is the implied meaning you are finding with my statements so let me help clear things up on that:

"Sorry to say formerd3db....but it does sound a bit more like 'sour grapes' than anything else" and
"... while true that foul language was heard, did sound more like 'sour grapes'..."
Both statements say "did sound like" so meaning similar to or that's how it could read.  I didn't state that It Was "sour grapes".  So I am not back tracking...wasn't calling you a liar.  I know that you said it wasn't sour grapes and that's fine, I am not taking that away from you....but it could seem that way.  I didn't say that it was. 

Next.  "In such a high emotion rivalry game it seems odd that you only heard foul language from Albion players and coaches, but nothing from the Hope side.  Because I am sure it was happening on both sides" and
"In my initial response I was just pointing out that the comments, while true that foul language was heard..."  and
"I don't doubt that you heard foul language (from both sides)."
Looking at these I am not sure where you thought I was denying that Albion used foul language.  My meaning here was that you heard Albion but yet don't ever claim to have heard any foul language used by Hope at any point on Saturday.  Any implied meaning here would be that both teams engaged in foul language.  I am not looking for you to name names in any way.  Just a simple statement of "I was also disappointed by some of the things I heard from Hope players" is what I am saying is lacking. Because again....while I don't doubt foul language was used by Albion....I do doubt you heard nothing from Hope.  And if you claim that in the past you have called out Hope on times you have heard foul language, it surprises me that this past game was a time when nothing of note took place in that regard. 


So hopefully that cleared up any of the implied meanings and was a bit more explicit.  On to the up coming games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2014, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: Cousin Eddie on October 08, 2014, 11:20:06 PM
Well since I can't help myself, I will put in a last word on this as well.  I do chuckle seeing those negative karma points going up.

The problem then as it seems Former, is the implied meaning you are finding with my statements so let me help clear things up on that:

"Sorry to say formerd3db....but it does sound a bit more like 'sour grapes' than anything else" and
"... while true that foul language was heard, did sound more like 'sour grapes'..."
Both statements say "did sound like" so meaning similar to or that's how it could read.  I didn't state that It Was "sour grapes".  So I am not back tracking...wasn't calling you a liar.  I know that you said it wasn't sour grapes and that's fine, I am not taking that away from you....but it could seem that way.  I didn't say that it was. 

Next.  "In such a high emotion rivalry game it seems odd that you only heard foul language from Albion players and coaches, but nothing from the Hope side.  Because I am sure it was happening on both sides" and
"In my initial response I was just pointing out that the comments, while true that foul language was heard..."  and
"I don't doubt that you heard foul language (from both sides)."
Looking at these I am not sure where you thought I was denying that Albion used foul language.  My meaning here was that you heard Albion but yet don't ever claim to have heard any foul language used by Hope at any point on Saturday.  Any implied meaning here would be that both teams engaged in foul language.  I am not looking for you to name names in any way.  Just a simple statement of "I was also disappointed by some of the things I heard from Hope players" is what I am saying is lacking. Because again....while I don't doubt foul language was used by Albion....I do doubt you heard nothing from Hope.  And if you claim that in the past you have called out Hope on times you have heard foul language, it surprises me that this past game was a time when nothing of note took place in that regard. 


So hopefully that cleared up any of the implied meanings and was a bit more explicit.  On to the up coming games.



Negative karma is irrelevant and I don't care about it.  I'm glad you can get a chuckle out of it as do I.   

I never said that Hope players probably didn't use some foul language for this game.  If you would read posts more carefully, I simply referred to 2-3 specific aspects I saw and heard personally directed from Albion.  I did not call out any Hope players for THIS game because I did not personally hear or see any of that publically displayed in front of us during the action, like I/we did from the opponents on those couple of instances.  Of course, most likely there was some from some Hope players and without question, I am disappointed when that occurs regardless of which team's player's do that when it occurs, as I assume you are as well.  But I'm not bringing up any "supposed instances" I did not personally witness.  If you knew of any such instances, then you should speak up about it (no names needed of course), however, if is obvious you cannot attest to specific incidents since you have not-rather only suggesting that "there probably were". 

You can back track all and explain all you want, however, you initial posts stand by themselves and the meaning was clear.       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on October 09, 2014, 02:00:42 PM
Yes my comments are that it likely happened on both sides.  Because from the vantage point I had on Saturday I wasn't able to hear much from the field from Albion or from Hope.  Most times when I am watching games I rarely hear the person next to me asking a question because my focus is on the game.  Which is why I have said I don't doubt you heard things from Albion.  But I will follow that by saying I have had the opportunity to be on the field/sidelines a few times at Albion for games.  And I know that one can hear just about everything on the sideline on which they are standing and that at times yes you can hear across the field.  Which is why I said I doubt that you did not hear anything from Hope sidelines because my experience is that it sure is hard not to hear everything from the particular sideline where one is standing.  That is the one aspect in which I can't bring myself to believe you.  Similar to how your joke/comment about the band and concession stand seemed to be implying that vandyboy was choosing not to hear or overlooking what was done by Albion....I am implying that you may have overlooked or chose not to hear what was coming from Hope.  And yes that implication was there in my initial post. 

Now a particular instance that I did get to see from my vantage point was an Albion player that did approach Hope's side at the end of the game but he was followed by an assistant coach that was pulling him back from continuing with whatever he was doing.  So I know I had previously left this part alone in terms of your comment about coaches historically looking the other way, that was not the case in this particular instance on Saturday.  I am not looking to open a new discussion on this coaches topic....you were also asking for instances and this is the one that I have for Saturday.  Again I have not doubted you saw or heard things from Albion which is why I am fine with pointing out this particular player.  I don't know what he was doing or saying, and so while unnecessary I can't point to if it was classless/unsporstmanlike or not.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 08, 2014, 08:13:52 PMHillsdale is another example; used to be at the smaller college level and former MIAA member (pre DIII) yet with similar enrollment to the MIAA schools, they have chosen to the DII level in the GLIAC, as are some of that leagues "newer" members that have smaller enrollments.  Mercyhurst in Erie is another example that used to be DIII and decided to change to DII as did Upper Iowa which used to be DIII in the Iowa league but is now DII by choice.  St. Joseph, Ind another example.

Mercyhurst has never been a D3 school. It went straight from the NAIA to D2. St. Joseph's (IN) wasn't D3, either.

Other examples of small-enrollment private schools that went from D3 to D2 include Lake Erie College (Painesville, OH); LeMoyne-Owen College (Memphis, TN); Longwood University (Farmville, VA); Chowan University (Murfreesboro, NC); Ashland University (Ashland, OH); Mississippi College (Clinton, MS); and Maryville University (Town and Country, MO). While most of the D3 state schools that have moved on to D2 over the years have been WIAC-sized institutions, at least one -- Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, a HBCU -- still has an enrollment under 2,500.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on October 09, 2014, 03:37:09 PM
Rereading I seem to be contradicting myself so to clear up just in case.  Most times if I am not on the sidelines for games I rarely hear or the person next to me if they ask a question.   But when down on the sidelines it is different for me and I find that I more easily pick up on field talk and noise.  My focus is just as much on the game but field level I am not working so much on ignoring general crowd comments and so field noise comes through.  Didn't want it to read or seem that I was saying I rarely hear field noise and then go on to say that it can easily be heard.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2014, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 08, 2014, 08:13:52 PMHillsdale is another example; used to be at the smaller college level and former MIAA member (pre DIII) yet with similar enrollment to the MIAA schools, they have chosen to the DII level in the GLIAC, as are some of that leagues "newer" members that have smaller enrollments.  Mercyhurst in Erie is another example that used to be DIII and decided to change to DII as did Upper Iowa which used to be DIII in the Iowa league but is now DII by choice.  St. Joseph, Ind another example.

Mercyhurst has never been a D3 school. It went straight from the NAIA to D2. St. Joseph's (IN) wasn't D3, either.

Other examples of small-enrollment private schools that went from D3 to D2 include Lake Erie College (Painesville, OH); LeMoyne-Owen College (Memphis, TN); Longwood University (Farmville, VA); Chowan University (Murfreesboro, NC); Ashland University (Ashland, OH); Mississippi College (Clinton, MS); and Maryville University (Town and Country, MO). While most of the D3 state schools that have moved on to D2 over the years have been WIAC-sized institutions, at least one -- Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, a HBCU -- still has an enrollment under 2,500.

My post was not clear regarding St. Joseph and I should have clarified that part.  I did not mean to include it in schools that went from DII to DIII, although the way I wrote it right after the preceding sentence it admittedly can be taken that way.  What I meant regarding that particular school was that it one of the smaller enrollment schools that has chosen DII. 

Regarding Mercyhurst (and Gannon in the same city of Erie), I could be wrong Gregory, however, I seem to recall that they were indeed DIII along with Gannon for a couple of years back in the late 1980's or early 1990's.  I will need to pull out from my collection of the annual NCAA Guidebook from those years to check for sure (if I still have those copies-I had kept them in a bin for a long time, although I think I may have thrown them out a couple of years ago).  I will try to check on that, although you may be right they were not DIII-I thought they were for a short time.

You cite some other good examples of schools for the discussion.  Thanks.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2014, 10:14:14 PM
Quote from: Cousin Eddie on October 09, 2014, 03:37:09 PM
Rereading I seem to be contradicting myself so to clear up just in case.  Most times if I am not on the sidelines for games I rarely hear or the person next to me if they ask a question.   But when down on the sidelines it is different for me and I find that I more easily pick up on field talk and noise.  My focus is just as much on the game but field level I am not working so much on ignoring general crowd comments and so field noise comes through.  Didn't want it to read or seem that I was saying I rarely hear field noise and then go on to say that it can easily be heard.

Cousin Eddie:

I understand and know what you mean.  I think that many of us have experienced both of those different types of "atmospheres" that you describe between being on the sidelines and in the stands. 

Anyway, no hard feelings on the discussion we've had, even if we have differing opinions.  I know that we all are passionate about our teams and we relate our opinions and what we feel in responding to the games we see.  As has been said, emotions obviously can and often do overtake any of us at times whether we are fans, coaches or players.  I just want to encourage sportsmanship being promoted by all of us whether fans or coaches and especially the players regardless of which team that involves and particularly our own teams that we support. For the most part, I think such occurs, although there are always a few on any of our teams that forget that at times.

If you and your colleagues are attending Albion's game this weekend, I will look forward to your report summary and observations of the game.  As far as Hope, I don't know really anything about Rockford other than what some others have said in general regarding them not being a very good team.  Even if that is the case, no one should be taken for granted of course.  As I have mentioned and alluded to, despite this being a non-conference game for Hope, they need to regroup and a win would be nice heading into Homecoming the following week.

         
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2014, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 09, 2014, 09:55:17 PMRegarding Mercyhurst (and Gannon in the same city of Erie), I could be wrong Gregory, however, I seem to recall that they were indeed DIII along with Gannon for a couple of years back in the late 1980's or early 1990's.  I will need to pull out from my collection of the annual NCAA Guidebook from those years to check for sure (if I still have those copies-I had kept them in a bin for a long time, although I think I may have thrown them out a couple of years ago).  I will try to check on that, although you may be right they were not DIII-I thought they were for a short time.

Mercyhurst went straight from NAIA to D2, and I can prove it. Check out the most recent men's basketball media guide of the Lakers here. (http://hurstathletics.com/documents/2013/12/5/mbb_13-14_mg.pdf) Starting on page 21, the media guide outlines the history of Mercyhurst men's basketball, and in so doing also outlines the national affiliation history of the school. Through the 1980-81 school year Mercyhurst was NAIA, and the following year it moved to D2.

Gannon was never D3, either. My uncle went there in the late '70s and early '80s, and it was D2 during his student days. It started out in the NCAA College Division (precursor to D2 and D3), moved to the NAIA in the '60s, then came back to the NCAA College Division and was a charter member of D2 when the College Division was split in 1974. Here's (http://www.gannonsports.com/documents/2013/12/29/2013-14GannonMBBRecordBook.pdf) the most recent men's basketball media guide of the Golden Knights. On page 24 is their men's basketball tournament history. As you can see, the Golden Knights were in the first-ever D2 men's basketball tournament, beating Hartwick (now, ironically, a D3 member) and C.W. Post (now LIU Post), before losing to Assumption. Gannon's been an almost-constant participant in the D2 men's basketball tournament ever since.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2014, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2014, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 09, 2014, 09:55:17 PMRegarding Mercyhurst (and Gannon in the same city of Erie), I could be wrong Gregory, however, I seem to recall that they were indeed DIII along with Gannon for a couple of years back in the late 1980's or early 1990's.  I will need to pull out from my collection of the annual NCAA Guidebook from those years to check for sure (if I still have those copies-I had kept them in a bin for a long time, although I think I may have thrown them out a couple of years ago).  I will try to check on that, although you may be right they were not DIII-I thought they were for a short time.

Mercyhurst went straight from NAIA to D2, and I can prove it. Check out the most recent men's basketball media guide of the Lakers here. (http://hurstathletics.com/documents/2013/12/5/mbb_13-14_mg.pdf) Starting on page 21, the media guide outlines the history of Mercyhurst men's basketball, and in so doing also outlines the national affiliation history of the school. Through the 1980-81 school year Mercyhurst was NAIA, and the following year it moved to D2.

Gannon was never D3, either. My uncle went there in the late '70s and early '80s, and it was D2 during his student days. It started out in the NCAA College Division (precursor to D2 and D3), moved to the NAIA in the '60s, then came back to the NCAA College Division and was a charter member of D2 when the College Division was split in 1974. Here's (http://www.gannonsports.com/documents/2013/12/29/2013-14GannonMBBRecordBook.pdf) the most recent men's basketball media guide of the Golden Knights. On page 24 is their men's basketball tournament history. As you can see, the Golden Knights were in the first-ever D2 men's basketball tournament, beating Hartwick (now, ironically, a D3 member) and C.W. Post (now LIU Post), before losing to Assumption. Gannon's been an almost-constant participant in the D2 men's basketball tournament ever since.



You are incorrect on this one as far as Mercyhurst is concerned.  They were indeed classified as DIII in football for some time.  Check out the  Mercyhurst Magazine Autumn 1986, Vol. 5, No. 1, which is (at least was at that time) the official magazine of Mercyhurst University (Erie, PA).  Athletics is reviewed on page 13, including football and they were definitely DIII at that time.  The football program was started in 1981 (check their official website also for all-time season results).  They elevated to DII around the 1990's and joined the GLIAC before leaving to join the PA DII conference along with Gannon (although they were playing a mixture of DII and DIII schools with some NAIA mixed in years before then, yet primarily DIII in the 1980's).  So they were certainly classified officially in DIII for some years Gregory.

As to Gannon, I believe you.  I only said I wasn't sure about them, I thought they may have been. They were obviously DII when Alma was playing them in the late 1990's.    Yet, as to Mercyhurst, I was quite sure I recalled seeing them listed as DIII in the NCAA Guidebook back then. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2014, 11:44:02 PM
RE:  Mercyhurst-additional documentation for NCAA membership.  If you check the Official NCAA Publications Annual Football Records Book, for example the 2008 edition (which is available on the internet), in the NCAA Div. III section, Statistical Trends section, p. 99, Mercyhurst is listed as a former member (football DIII) from 1982-1992. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2014, 11:44:17 PM
I'm not sure how you expect me to look up a magazine that's not archived online ???. I have looked at the Mercyhurst football guide, and the game results from the '80s and into the '90s show that the Lakers were playing a mixed schedule of D1, D2, and D3 teams throughout that period, moving to a full D2 (and GLIAC) schedule for the '98 season.

It's possible that Mercyhurst was considered to be a D3 school for football purposes during that period. Several scholarship-level schools that did not offer football scholarships were classified as D3 for football prior to the rules changes that took effect in 1993 that forced D1 and D2 schools to classify their football teams within their respective divisions. That's why a couple of D1 schools (Dayton in 1980 and 1989, and Wagner in 1987) and a D2 school (West Georgia in 1982) won the Stagg Bowl and were D3 champions. (Another school that was D2 at the time and later moved to D1, Towson, lost the Stagg Bowl to in 1976 to St. John's.)

But -- and this is the key point here -- those were not D3 schools. They were D1 and D2 schools that did not offer football scholarships, and were thus allowed to compete in the D3 football playoffs during that era, prior to the closing of that membership loophole in 1993. I think that the phrase in vogue for such D1 and D2 schools back then was "dropping down." Mercyhurst may have fallen into that category as well. If so, it was a D2 school that, apparently, was classified as D3 in football during the '80s. But that didn't make it a D3 member. It was, and is, a D2 school, as the men's basketball media guide clearly states.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2014, 12:06:13 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2014, 11:44:17 PM
I'm not sure how you expect me to look up a magazine that's not archived online ???. I have looked at the Mercyhurst football guide, and the game results from the '80s and into the '90s show that the Lakers were playing a mixed schedule of D1, D2, and D3 teams throughout that period, moving to a full D2 (and GLIAC) schedule for the '98 season.

It's possible that Mercyhurst was considered to be a D3 school for football purposes during that period. Several scholarship-level schools that did not offer football scholarships were classified as D3 for football prior to the rules changes that took effect in 1993 that forced D1 and D2 schools to classify their football teams within their respective divisions. That's why a couple of D1 schools (Dayton in 1980 and 1989, and Wagner in 1987) and a D2 school (West Georgia in 1982) won the Stagg Bowl and were D3 champions. (Another school that was D2 at the time and later moved to D1, Towson, lost the Stagg Bowl to in 1976 to St. John's.)

But -- and this is the key point here -- those were not D3 schools. They were D1 and D2 schools that did not offer football scholarships, and were thus allowed to compete in the D3 football playoffs during that era, prior to the closing of that membership loophole in 1993. I think that the phrase in vogue for such D1 and D2 schools back then was "dropping down." Mercyhurst may have fallen into that category as well. If so, it was a D2 school that, apparently, was classified as D3 in football during the '80s. But that didn't make it a D3 member. It was, and is, a D2 school, as the men's basketball media guide clearly states.

It is archived online. Strange you can't bring it up when I certainly can per Google.  Simply type in Mercyhurst Magazine, Fall 1986...or the specific link is as follows:  www.scribd.com/doc/59361178/Mercyhurst-Magazine-Fall-1986.  But you can also see this in the NCAA Football Records Book as I mentioned in my most recent post above.

In addition, you specifically said Mercyhurst was never DIII-I was always talking football for this discussion and specifically for  Mercyhurst, not other sports and you were the one that brought up basketball (which you are correct is DII).  I also already mentioned that they were playing a mixed schedule of DI, DII, DIII schools in football their early years in the 1980's up to the time they went DII in football (and I am very familiar with the history of the pre-"Dayton Rule" regarding the DI non-scholarship schools who were classified as DIII in football for those years you mention-Dayton dropped to DIII in football in 1977).  Regardless, the point is that Mercyhurst was definitely considered DIII NCAA in football and not "possibly" as you indicated in your sentence above for the years I mentioned and that are officially listed as such for the school by the Official NCAA records (and not NAIA).  You were talking about overall division classification, but I never said or indicated that; I clearly was talking football only.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

I've never heard of being in Erie as a win. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2014, 10:00:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

I've never heard of being in Erie as a win. :P

+1
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2014, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

I've never heard of being in Erie as a win. :P
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2014, 10:00:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

I've never heard of being in Erie as a win. :P

+1
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

sac, Mr. Ypsi and Pat:

Hilarious, you guys!  +1 for all. :)  Actually, Erie is not all that bad of a town.  It has some history (dating to the French & Indian War and Pontiac Uprising days) and the new stadiums at both Mercyhurst and Gannon are very nice.  Also, the older city owned Memorial Stadium, where both schools used to play their home football games (and still do on occasion) is nice.  The latter is quite a big stadium (actual bowl stadium with permanent stands) and is a great venue for a game.  Yet, again, both school's newer on-campus stadiums are nice and actually a better venue for the students and fans at the respective campuses.

Hope you all have a great weekend and enjoy whatever games you might be attending this weekend.  So far, the weather reports seem to be okay, however, we all know that can change within each hour! ::) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D306 on October 10, 2014, 12:15:02 PM
I seem top recall that Butler was D1 at one time and removed some of their stands so they could remove them selves from D1 yet in basketball they are D1 and extremely relevant. Albion had a long standing series of games with Butler not long ago as I recall.

GVSU is a massive school bigger than many of the current D1 schools they choose to stay in DII

I think schools choose based on scholarship costs and also the fact that title 9 would require equal amount of Schollies for female sports as well.

Title 9, the cost, and competitive opportunities or school attendance opportunities are a huge deciding factor.
If we were to review attendance at several D1 school the number is staggering how low it is and the cost per person per seat must be reviewed versus the benefit in attendance or implied reputation of school

MIAA and many DIII schools must continue to focus on the value of the education the personal attention and opportunities as the value prop. I believe many offer a superior education and opportunity for students, throw athletics in their and educational based awards to reduce cost is the path for many into these schools.

I did not make it to the Albion / Hope game as I wanted to, received a call from a buddy to attend NW vs. Wisky to watch his son play great game for NW so I made the drive around the Lake ( great coaching staff pulling high level academic students into NW and putting a strong team on the field ) By the way still defrosting and trying to dry off it is cold in that stadium on the lake with rain and wind blowing in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2014, 04:23:32 PM
D306:

Good to hear from you and returning to post on this board once in a while as you have done.  That was a great NW game to watch-I caught much of the second half after returning from the Albion/Hope game.  That seems to be a great atmosphere to watch a game (after U of Mich, my favorite Big Ten team is NW).  At is also nice to hear about your friend's son playing for NW. 

You would have enjoyed the atmosphere at Albion for another close/exciting game. Weather cooperated and it as compfortable, great fall colors, nice larger crowd for their Homecoming-in all, a traditional and enjoyable fall football afternoon (except for the outcome for me and colleagues whose team is Hope, of course! ::) ;))

As you mentioned, Butler did redo the Butler Bowl, essentially maintaining the bowl configuration for the most part, but constructing new permanent home stands and, like many other schools, constructed student apartments on the other side.  That maintains the the enclosed look, allows some to watch from there (although I wonder what the ticket paying fans think about that? ??? ::) ;D ;)). I do remember those Butler/Albion match-ups just a few years ago.  Butler still plays an occasional DIII team, even though they are DI non-scholarship and now eligible for the FCS championship playoffs via their Pioneer League.

You have also shared some of the very issues that are a challenge for schools who want to compete at the DII scholarship level (although many DIII schools are also faced with the Title IX issue to varying degrees if/when they are deciding whether or not to add certain sports).

You mentioned Grand Valley.  Obviously, they are very comfortable at the DII level, yet they had over 15,000 in attendance for their game against Ohio Dominican last month, which certainly dwarfs some of the DI schools. Mr. Ypsi and I along with others have discussed that attendance topic on many occasions here regarding some DI schools i.e. Eastern Michigan (there are other DI's in the FCS this would apply to also) and some DII schools having less attendance at some games as compared to many of the DIII schools. I've noted that even Hope and other MIAA member colleges have outdrawn an Eastern Michigan/Western Michigan game on some occasions in the recent past and often many of the DII games as well on other occasions.  That, however, can depend on a specific game, of course and there are so many varied factors that are involved in the overall equation.

     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2014, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 10, 2014, 12:06:13 AMIn addition, you specifically said Mercyhurst was never DIII-I was always talking football for this discussion and specifically for  Mercyhurst, not other sports and you were the one that brought up basketball (which you are correct is DII).

No, not just basketball. Every sport in which Mercyhurst participated except for football was D2. And that's the point. Football is, in many respects an outlier among college sports in a lot of ways. The old "dropping down" policy of the NCAA was another example of that. And Mercyhurst's football program was an outlier of the school's D2 status.

Quote from: formerd3db on October 10, 2014, 12:06:13 AMI also already mentioned that they were playing a mixed schedule of DI, DII, DIII schools in football their early years in the 1980's up to the time they went DII in football (and I am very familiar with the history of the pre-"Dayton Rule" regarding the DI non-scholarship schools who were classified as DIII in football for those years you mention-Dayton dropped to DIII in football in 1977).  Regardless, the point is that Mercyhurst was definitely considered DIII NCAA in football and not "possibly" as you indicated in your sentence above for the years I mentioned and that are officially listed as such for the school by the Official NCAA records (and not NAIA).  You were talking about overall division classification, but I never said or indicated that; I clearly was talking football only.   

Actually, that wasn't clear at all. You were talking about enrollment sizes at various schools, not about football. That's why I brought up Mercyhurst's D2 status in the first place.

Again, this isn't just semantics. Mercyhurst was, and is, a D2 school that played at the D2 level in everything except for football during a certain period of time -- just as Dayton and Wagner were D1 schools that played at the D1 level in everything but football. But now that I know that you were just talking about football classifications, we're on the same page.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2014, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.

I've never heard of being in Erie as a win. :P

"Dreary Erie" ... an unfortunate, but quite apropos, nickname.

Quote from: D306 on October 10, 2014, 12:15:02 PM
I seem top recall that Butler was D1 at one time and removed some of their stands so they could remove them selves from D1 yet in basketball they are D1 and extremely relevant. Albion had a long standing series of games with Butler not long ago as I recall.

As formerd3db mentioned, Butler is D1 in all sports. The NCAA now forbids "dropping down," and has since 1993.

The only NCAA schools that are still allowed to have a team or two compete in a division other than the one in which the school is based are the D3 schools that were grandfathered in when the NCAA declared that D3 schools could no longer have programs in which they classified at the scholarship levels. For example, Colorado College is still allowed to play D1 men's hockey and women's soccer; Hartwick is D1 in men's soccer and women's water polo; and Johns Hopkins is D1 in men's and women's lacrosse. Of course, if the NCAA does not offer a championship in D1 or D2, schools from the other scholarship division are allowed to compete at that alternate level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 10, 2014, 06:10:43 PM
Gregory:

Yes, you and I are finally on the same page!  Actually, when I was talking about enrollments of the schools, it was always in the context of football for the discussion, my friend, since the discussion started out as to why/how the classifications were chosen by schools for football by vandyboy, who initiated the discussion.  Thus, in that regard, it doesn't matter that a school is classified as in a particular division for their athletic programs with the exception of one other sport i.e. football.  Since we were talking about football, the question was then in relation to football classification only.  This is a football board and while we all certainly do occasionally talk about other sports in relation to our DIII schools here on the boards.

Again, the discussion here was completely for football and the respective classification for a school(s) for that.  I can see where you may have thought I wasn't clear on that.  Just the same way as I wasn't clear on your statements that Mercyhurst was never DIII-as I mentioned, you were talking about overall classification-I and the others were talking about football classification.  In the future, I will be sure to try and relate specifically and what limited what I'm responding to on a particular discussion.

Thanks for the additional info about Butler and in regards to the "grandfathering clause" for those of our younger friends on the boards who might not be aware of that.  I'm sure you can remember as I do also the situation that occurred via Dayton "way back then" that helped lead to those changes in the rules by the NCAA! ;)  It was an interesting time, wouldn't you agree?!!!

Good luck to your NPU tomorrow!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.
I've never heard of being in Erie as a win. :P

Fred Biletnikoff Field  is in Erie.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2014, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.
Fred Biletnikoff Field  is in Erie.

I'd never go see a game there. The fans probably stick to every seat and railing they touch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2014, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 10, 2014, 04:23:32 PM
Mr. Ypsi and I along with others have discussed that attendance topic on many occasions here regarding some DI schools i.e. Eastern Michigan (there are other DI's in the FCS this would apply to also) and some DII schools having less attendance at some games as compared to many of the DIII schools.

Do you mean FBS? Lots of FCS schools struggle with attendance but there is no requirement for attendance at the FCS level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 11, 2014, 10:38:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2014, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 10, 2014, 04:23:32 PM
Mr. Ypsi and I along with others have discussed that attendance topic on many occasions here regarding some DI schools i.e. Eastern Michigan (there are other DI's in the FCS this would apply to also) and some DII schools having less attendance at some games as compared to many of the DIII schools.

Do you mean FBS? Lots of FCS schools struggle with attendance but there is no requirement for attendance at the FCS level.

Oops! Yes, meant FBS (typo).  As you know, that's one of the reasons why there has always been some question (in the various discussions here in the past) as to just how, for example, Eastern Michigan and some others maintain their FBS status.

Pat, can you please list the current FBS attendance requirements for us if you have them just for an FYI update?  Do those still entail having a stadium that will seat 30,000 and also having to meet a minimum home attendance average every three years?  Just curious.  I don't have a current copy of the NCAA guidelines, although could probably look it up in the NCAA online manuals-just thought you probably had the info right at hand.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on October 11, 2014, 10:51:11 AM
Average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football contests over a
rolling two-year period. [Bylaw 20.9.7.3]

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/Division%20I%20Forms/2010-11%20FBS%20Forms/Football%20Bowl%20Subqa%2012%208%2010.pdf

Pretty interesting read.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2014, 07:52:20 PM
Quote from: waxx on October 11, 2014, 10:51:11 AM
Average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football contests over a
rolling two-year period. [Bylaw 20.9.7.3]

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/Division%20I%20Forms/2010-11%20FBS%20Forms/Football%20Bowl%20Subqa%2012%208%2010.pdf

Pretty interesting read.

waxx:
Thanks for the link.  It appears that the attendance requirement has been lowered slightly as I seem to recall it being 17,000 originally.


RE:  MIAA results this past weekend:
As I suspected the Trine/Olivet game was a barnburner.  From what I heard, it was a good game.  Too bad Olivet lost since it was their Homecoming and they had several special activities going on including honoring the 1974 Championship team.  And the crowd listed at 4350 must be a record if not near it for attendance there.  The loss by Olivet might take put a little damper on the hyper for this weekend's Olivet/Hope game at Hope, although perhaps not (well...at least it should not with regard to the players :o ;)!!) since who ever loses will be essentially eliminated from the league title race by virtue of having 2 league losses then.  It is Hope's Homecoming and I would expect a huge crowd as usual and especially since the 1984 undefeated Hope football team is being honored (the only undefeated team in our history-unfortunately that team was not selected to participate in the NCAA DIII playoffs that year as there were a couple of other mid-west teams ranked ahead of Hope in the overall national/regional rankings).  As far as weather, probably not going to be anything near the great weather everyone had this past weekend.  Oh well. 

I was surprised that Alma was shutout in their game-thought they'd at least score since they had performed better the past two games.  The Albion/Kazoo game was no surprise though-and probably the largest crowd that Kazoo's team will play in front of this year-unfortunately for them.

I hope everyone has a good week.  Things will be shaping up in the MIAA race this weekend I believe. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: vandyboy on October 12, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
Great day for football yesterday.  Weather was fantastic in Albion.  First night game I have attended.  Lights were a welcome addition a couple of years ago. 

I too was surprised by the Trine/Olivet result.  I figured Olivet would have won by a touchdown or so.  Maybe Trine is not as down as I thought.  Should be an exciting game next week in Holland.

Albion came out hitting on all cylinders.  They had just shy of 500 yards of total offense at half time.  Kzoo may not win a game this year.  They moved the ball on Albion through the air but keep shooting themselves in the foot.  We had way too many penalties (O line must have had 6 holding calls on them).  Both teams came away injury free which is always good to see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2014, 11:29:35 PM
vandyboy:

You've had two consecutive Saturday's with great weather at Albion for the games! A great atmosphere for college football there.  I agree with you that now having the opportunity for an occasional night game makes for an enjoyable different type of experience with the lights.  Wow, nearly 500 yards offense in the first half-that is amazing, even if it comes against a not so good team.  Obviously, I think that Albion is still the favorite to win the title, yet, will still need to guard against a let down for Olivet and Trine. 

I agree with you also that Trine does seem to be better than some people predicted.  But as for Kalamazoo, I am baffled as to why they have taken a dive.  This was supposed to be the year they turned the corner and build further on the foundation and progress that had seemed to be firmly the past couple of years including with more players recruited and on the team.  I'm sure Coach Zerbo is perplexed.

Hope's game against Rockford, while a solid win, was a bit lackluster at times and despite Rockford not being such a good team (I give Rockford credit for not quitting, however).  Nonetheless, it was a needed boost to get back into a positive mind frame.  Hope will need to put together a staunch effort against Olivet this weekend for Homecoming.  I expect Olivet to come out in a whirlwind in offense, so the defensive secondary will need to play better than last week.  Obviously, once we've all had a chance to see the remaining teams on our respective schedules, we'll have a better idea as to just how good each really is (as opposed to what we thought they were on paper in the pre- and early season projections, taking into consideration, of course, an all out simply bad game by any of them on one of those occasions).     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 13, 2014, 02:05:05 PM
From the "for what its worth department" following up on some previous posts.

1.  I think one big reason for Kzoo's fall off in football this season has to do with the decision of last year's starter at QB (I cannot remember his name) not to return to football for his junior year.  An exciting player last year, he apparently decided to get involved in other on campus activities for this Fall.  A real loss to the program, I think.

2.  I attended last Saturday's Olivet-Trine game and it was exciting, primarily due to the absence of consistently good defense by either team ... as reflected by the 88 points total scored by both teams.  The Comets played well for 3 quarters and then, it seemed to me, just began to unravel.  I think a key turning point came (late in the 3rd. qrtr. I think) when Olivet held the Trine  offense in check, and then on 3rd and 15 when Trine had an incomplete pass to bring up 4th and long, an Olivet defender committed a dead-ball personal foul on the sidelines right in front of the Olivet coach.  That gave new life to the Trine offense which led to the first of three TDs to overcome Olivet's 42-24 lead.  The offending player, by the way, was taken out by the coach for the rest of the game. 

3.  The game itself was marked by inconsistent officiating and a few obviously missed calls on both sides of the ball.  I've read posts before in here regarding the poor state of officiating in the MIAA and Saturday was an example.  I'm not sure where the MIAA gets it officials and how much they get paid, but fans-in-the-stands deserve better.

4.  I hope to be in Holland this coming Saturday for what should be a pretty good match-up.  I haven't seen the Flying Dutchmen yet this season (out of the country for 3 weeks in September) but I expect to see a pretty competitive contest. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TrineDad on October 13, 2014, 06:01:40 PM
I agree with a couple of points I've read above.  First, Trine isn't as "down" as some were thinking before the season began.  There are some issues yet to resolve but there is a lot of talent on this team and they could cause some trouble for people.  Second, about the officiating, I was at the Trine-Olivet game as well and the officiating crew was hands down the worst I have seen at any level of football ever!   Someone in the Trine stands yelled that they should "go back to working high school"  and then another guy said they should "go back to Foot Locker"!   Best line of the game.  Anyway, it was a beautiful football day and obviously, for me, a great result.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 14, 2014, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2014, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 10, 2014, 07:42:16 AM
I was in Erie, pa. 2 days ago. I win.
Fred Biletnikoff Field  is in Erie.   

I'd never go see a game there. The fans probably stick to every seat and railing they touch.

Just to complete the thought, I only caught a look at the field in the time it takes to wait for a red light.  Its old, and looks like maybe its only used for youth football.  Around the corner is Central Tech High School or something like that with a much nicer, but still old looking stadium.

I didn't see Gannon or Mercyhurst but was able to see the relevant Erie, Pa D3 school PSU-Behrend.  A nice campus in a lovely wooded setting on a hilly section of land above the city.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 14, 2014, 05:27:01 PM
This doesn't seem like a bad thing for Hope
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/article/20141013/SPORTS/141019725/10972/SPORTS
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2014, 09:26:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 12, 2014, 07:52:20 PM

RE:  MIAA results this past weekend:
As I suspected the Trine/Olivet game was a barnburner.  From what I heard, it was a good game.  Too bad Olivet lost since it was their Homecoming and they had several special activities going on including honoring the 1974 Championship team.

I have to admit I am not at all feeling sorry for Olivet losing their homecoming game, but I am a little biased.  I think this game has a little extra spice to it as there are some former Trine coaches at Olivet now.  The Trine win makes me extra happy!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2014, 09:38:21 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2014, 09:26:58 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 12, 2014, 07:52:20 PM

RE:  MIAA results this past weekend:
As I suspected the Trine/Olivet game was a barnburner.  From what I heard, it was a good game.  Too bad Olivet lost since it was their Homecoming and they had several special activities going on including honoring the 1974 Championship team.

I have to admit I am not at all feeling sorry for Olivet losing their homecoming game, but I am a little biased.  I think this game has a little extra spice to it as there are some former Trine coaches at Olivet now.  The Trine win makes me extra happy!  :)

Now there's a "blast from the past"! :o ;) :)  Good to hear from you and have you post, Uncle Rico.  It has been a long time.  I did not mean to impair the jubilation of our Trine posters here for their win at Olivet last Saturday.  It, indeed, was a great win for them.  But it would have been a great win for Olivet as well.  I only intended my post as being sympathetic for Olivet as they lost at their Homecoming (that had some very special additional activities going on) and as I would have for anyone's college and team in similar circumstances.  Regardless, I know what you mean with regard to a somewhat more interesting rivalry since the current Olivet staff has former Trine coaches, including Head Coach D.P.   

It will be interesting to see who further emerges for the title race after Saturday's games are completed.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2014, 10:00:07 PM
I still check on this site every so often, but with my oldest son graduated from Trine I admit it is harder for me to keep up with what is happening.  I don't have much of an inside scoop any more.  My youngest is a sophomore in high school, and plays in the high school band so it gives me an additional reason to catch the high school games, though.  :) 

You certainly did not impair our Trine jubilation :)  I do not think Olivet has yet to beat Trine with DP at the helm, and for that I am happy.  There have been a couple really tight games, though.  Hope you are doing well.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 18, 2014, 05:41:07 PM
Hope 42 Olivet 35 OT

Olivet scored a TD with about 4 minutes left to take a 35-28 lead, Hope answered within 2 minutes to tie it at 35.  Olivet got the ball across midfield on the next possession but no further than the 41, Hope picked off the hail mary attempt at the buzzer.

In OT Hope scored first and then picked off Olivet for the 5th time in the game.

Turnovers Hope 3 Olivet 6
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 18, 2014, 05:43:34 PM
Kalamazoo 45 Alma 24

Concodia, WI 49 Trine 46
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 18, 2014, 08:03:08 PM
Adrian 47 Albion 26

So Trine is currently leading the MIAA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2014, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: sac on October 18, 2014, 05:41:07 PM
Hope 42 Olivet 35 OT

Olivet scored a TD with about 4 minutes left to take a 35-28 lead, Hope answered within 2 minutes to tie it at 35.  Olivet got the ball across midfield on the next possession but no further than the 41, Hope picked off the hail mary attempt at the buzzer.

In OT Hope scored first and then picked off Olivet for the 5th time in the game.

Turnovers Hope 3 Olivet 6

It was another "barn burner" for Olivet and Hope, 2nd time this season for each.  For once, Hope came up on the positive side.  The game is essentially just how I envisioned/expected it to be i.e. a fast paced offensive game.  Olivet seemed to handle the Hope defense throughout the game with the same game plan as Albion did a couple of weeks ago using the bubble and slant passes, although Olivet had good success with their running game.  For some reason, Hope had difficulty stopping the same one running play through the game.  I was impressed with the size of Olivet's lines on both offense and defense.  They are a fast team.

However, in the end, Hope's secondary (and LB cores) came through to cinch the game along with some outstanding catches by our receivers on offense.  The weather wasn't bad-although overcast, at least no rain and it was good football weather despite being a little colder, but comfortable for fans with jackets and hoodies.  The Homecoming crowd for Hope was down compared to what it usually is for that weekend, although I suspect the weather was partly responsible for that (just as it was for the Slippery Rock/Mercyhurst DII game at Michigan Stadium today, which drew >15,000 in attendance, even though 25,000 tickets had been sold and/or distributed-the all-time DII record is 61,000 which had Slippery Rock/Shippensburg in 1979 at Michigan Stadium and I believe that Michigan Tech/Grand Valley State this past decade at Michigan Stadium is second with 52,000).  Anyway, my compliments to both Olivet and Hope today for a great game, good sportsmanship.  The officiating crew was "okay", not great, but okay.  They mis-called several plays but it went both ways.

Good to see that Kazoo finally had over 1000 in attendance for a home game and they attained their first win of the season.  Olivet and Alma are now eliminated from the league race.  As sac mentioned, Trine is currently out front.  However, next week either they or Albion will be eliminated since they play each other and Kazoo would be also if they lose.  So obviously for each of the current four teams who have 1 league loss, each remaining game is a "must win" situation.  Again, I hope the weather holds out to remain decent for the remaining Saturdays. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 18, 2014, 10:48:29 PM
Trine has 0 losses, everyone else has at least one, they are far from eliminated with a loss next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 18, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Quote from: sac on October 18, 2014, 10:48:29 PM
Trine has 0 losses, everyone else has at least one, they are far from eliminated with a loss next week.

Oops! ::) ;D You are correct; I mis-spoke and was getting ahead of myself a bit.  There are certainly some scenarios left.  If Trine loses to Albion next week, then assuming Trine remains with one loss, they would have to beat Adrian in the last game of the season to have a shot at the title and that might then come down to the point differential between their head-to-head competition, right?  Again, that assumes Hope would be eliminated if they lost to Adrian. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on October 21, 2014, 01:49:29 PM
Zeeland West offensive line may be program's best ever (http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/1876081313053223939/zeeland-west-offensive-line-may-be-programs-best-ever/)
Quote from: mlive on October 21, 2014, 11:33:45 AMSenior guard Matt Bultman said the group was motivated from the opening days of practice in the summer to prove itself, since the unit was losing highly-regarded tackle Jordan VanDort. VanDort signed with Western Michigan University but has since transferred to Hope College.

Does anyone know VanDort's status this fall?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 21, 2014, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: Bilk on October 21, 2014, 01:49:29 PM
Zeeland West offensive line may be program's best ever (http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/1876081313053223939/zeeland-west-offensive-line-may-be-programs-best-ever/)
Quote from: mlive on October 21, 2014, 11:33:45 AMSenior guard Matt Bultman said the group was motivated from the opening days of practice in the summer to prove itself, since the unit was losing highly-regarded tackle Jordan VanDort. VanDort signed with Western Michigan University but has since transferred to Hope College.

Does anyone know VanDort's status this fall?

It was just announced a week or so ago he was transferring, he won't play for Hope this year if that is what you mean.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 21, 2014, 04:16:57 PM
Quite a catch that won the Hope game Saturday
http://d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2014/week7
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2014, 12:35:38 PM
Nice win Thunder over Albion!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 28, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
Olivet on the good side of play of the week this week......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx-xfTy-T2I
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2014, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: sac on October 28, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
Olivet on the good side of play of the week this week......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx-xfTy-T2I

That is great.  Also, it is great to see another D3.com play of the week for the MIAA-thanks to Pat and his staff for the focus.

BTW, sac, I after attending our game up at Alma on Saturday, on the drive home, I simply had to turn off the radio coverage of the Michigan game (and also changed to another game after watching more on the TV once I got home)-just couldn't stand it! ;D  I think the "writing is on the wall" for Hoke and company. And, will if he is let go, will this be the last year for Assistant Coach Fred Jackson, who has faithfully been there for many years?

This week's games will obviously narrow down more the MIAA title race.  Also, as some of our coaches and I discussed after the game, we all are not looking forward to the cold weather (or rain and/or snow) as most likely this past Saturday was everyone's "Swan Song" for great fall football weather.  But...the games go on obviously.

On other football topics, although Grand Valley State is not having their usual banner year, they have had some large crowds for their home games, 13,000+ and that 15,000 one-that is huge (and that is no pun intended towards the HUGE RADIO NETWORK! ;D ;)
They have even outdrawn some of the MAC DI schools.  It looks like Ferris State pretty much has the lock on the GLIAC title. HC Annese has them back in the upper tier of the league since the mid-1990's run.  If they do continue to cruise, I hope they do not falter in the playoffs.  Those DII playoffs are always a "crap shoot", perhaps even more than the DIII playoffs in some instances.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 28, 2014, 08:44:10 PM
I went up North.

I couldn't resist and checked my phone, Michigan's drive summary after a Spartan fumble was 4 plays 0 yards.  Seemed about right, so I blissfully continued wandering my way aimlessly around enjoying a nice fall day.  Oblivious that anything of any significance occurred Saturday.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MIAA in Exile on November 01, 2014, 03:54:37 PM
Wild and wooly finish in Albion as the Brits nail a 37 yard field goal into the wind for a 30-28 victory.  Olivet coaches then refused to let their team shake hands.  There has to be a story on that, but on the live stream you could see their coaches separating their players who tried to shake hands with the Brits.    Too bad as it was a very hard fought game and you could see lots of helmet taps and respect  on the field. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 01, 2014, 05:22:50 PM
hand shakes seem to be an issue today  (Maryland/PSU) :-\

Adrian 27 Hope 19
Trine 47 Kzoo 12

With these results, its pretty much down to Adrian at Trine in 2 weeks.  Trine plays at Hope next week but it only gets messy if Kzoo beats Adrian and Hope wins which sets up the long shot of messy multiple team tie with 2 losses.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2014, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: sac on November 01, 2014, 05:22:50 PM
hand shakes seem to be an issue today  (Maryland/PSU) :-\

Adrian 27 Hope 19
Trine 47 Kzoo 12

With these results, its pretty much down to Adrian at Trine in 2 weeks.  Trine plays at Hope next week but it only gets messy if Kzoo beats Adrian and Hope wins which sets up the long shot of messy multiple team tie with 2 losses.

Obviously, this was a disappointing loss for Hope.  Thanks for your summary of the possible scenario(s).  I agree with you that it is essentially down to the final Saturday for the title with the Adrian/Trine game.  Kalamazoo is not going to beat Adrian, barring an implosion by the latter, which, although it could happen, is very unlikely.  I must admit, however, that it would be a strange, but interesting scenario if there were to be the 2-loss situation resulting in having to sift through the established criteria as to who gets the AQ for the NCAA first round playoff game. :)     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 03, 2014, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: MIAA in Exile on November 01, 2014, 03:54:37 PM
Wild and wooly finish in Albion as the Brits nail a 37 yard field goal into the wind for a 30-28 victory.  Olivet coaches then refused to let their team shake hands.  There has to be a story on that, but on the live stream you could see their coaches separating their players who tried to shake hands with the Brits.    Too bad as it was a very hard fought game and you could see lots of helmet taps and respect  on the field.

Anyone care to comment further on this unfortunate incident, if there is any additional information regarding the cause of it?  I got blasted by several of you for commenting on sportsmanship issues a few weeks ago here, so I am reluctant to try and comment here, especially since I know nothing about the above described situation from this past weekend's Olivet/Albion game. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 04, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
So with two games left in the season, which team will win the MIAA, Trine or Adrian? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on November 04, 2014, 02:27:34 PM
I was stuck with just the internet feed for the Albion v Olivet game as well.  And so no real idea on what the issue was at the end of the game.  Haven't heard anything from those that were there.  Just glad to see Albion finally got an upgrade to their camera equipment used for internet broadcast.  Finally able to read numbers and have a clear picture.  Kicking game still seems to be a wild ride for Albion.  But...they call it Special Teams for a reason.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2014, 08:42:54 PM
Great win for Hope today.  They finally came through and got tough when needed in regulation time to win the game.  Not that the win against Olivet in OT was any less of an effort (or the loss in OT to Albion), but rather they came through in regulation near the end of the game after Trine came back and took the lead.  Another 7-3 season is not bad, although disappointing as to what might have been. Unrelated topic...the poor weather had a huge affect on attendance today at MIAA games as that was diminished tremendously at all the games, unfortunately.  However, we obviously don't have control over that. 

Not unexpectedly, as most people predicted at the beginning of this past week, the MIAA championship comes down to Adrian and Trine next week.  Without considering any statistics and just looking at this in a general way in regards to wins and perhaps closeness of some games, IMO, I believe either team could easily win the title.  I think it will be a close contest.  I would be surprised if one of the teams imploded.  I hope the weather is not "crappy" again as it would be nice to see a huge crowd for the championship game.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 08, 2014, 10:51:53 PM
Well, at least the annual Amherst/Williams game out in Mass had 11,500 in attendance today!  Impressive.  Amherst went undefeated this year (although they only play 8 games I believe).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 12, 2014, 09:34:55 AM
formerd3db,

Thanks for the note regarding the Mount Union/JCU game. It will be a packed house like last year and I expect another
exciting game. All the best for your Hope alma mater as they close the 2014 season. +k :) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 15, 2014, 03:54:40 PM
Kzoo 30 Hope 29

Wild finish as each team trade TD's in the final 2 minutes, Kzoo goes 40 yards in the last 34 seconds to kick the game winning FG from the 5, pbp says kick deflected hit cross bar and over.

More importantly Kalamazoo wins the Wooden Shoes for the first time in 19 years(1995).  Congratulations to the Hornets.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on November 15, 2014, 04:31:46 PM
That's a big win for Kalamazoo. I definitely saw some flashes of positive things from them in the game against Adrian.

I listened to the Trine vs. Adrian game on the radio and it sounded like Adrian pretty much controlled the game at will. 20-0 at the half. Trine came out and put the first points of the 2nd half on the board to make it 20-7, but it was all Adrian after that cruising to a 40-7 victory. Congrats to all the Adrian faithful, it's great to see such a turn around for the program in the last ~10 years(from my point of view as an alum, at least).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 15, 2014, 05:18:26 PM
Disappointing... 4th time in the last 7 years going 3-3 in the league.
(Karma beware...) Does Hope need a change?
I've been gone from Holland since 2003, so I don't have the same interaction around the athletic department, so it's a serious question.
How does Hope get better and consistently stay better?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 15, 2014, 06:16:14 PM
Hope has fewer than 20 Seniors overall, but will graduate 6 starters on each side of the ball.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2014, 11:00:57 PM
Disappointing finish to the season for Hope and obviously for our seniors.  Indeed, it was a big win for Kalamazoo, essentially their season this year, in what was initially seen/predicted to be another good year for them after last year's tremendous improvement.  Unfortunately, Hope's players just did not seem to have that enthusiasm to put the game away.  Offense played fairly well and came back when they needed, however, the defense and special teams play for Hope, unfortunately, was the demise, even despite the game winning blocked FG that somehow hit the crossbar and tricked over.  In all my years in football, I do not recall ever seeing a kick bounce that way-those usually fall down or to the side, while this one just kind of flipped up and rolled over the bar. 

Both teams had some big plays, but the missed tackles on special teams and the late hit for the personal foul penalty on the last kickoff to Kalamazoo with less than 41 seconds left led to the demise.  That put Kazoo in Hope territory, although I will say that after the goal line stand of the first 3 plays and then seeing the blocked kick tip, I thought we had survived.  Not taking anything away from the Kalamazoo players since they did not give up.   On a final, although less important note; the attendance was listed around 1300+, however, it certainly appeared to me that we had equal to last week's mid-900's or even less.  Strange. But, at least we lucked out all season with the weather for games, even with today's cold, one was comfortable with a hoodi, jacket, ski hat and gloves and UnderArmour or similar.

Anyway, best wishes to all the seniors in the next chapter of their lives and congratulations to Kalamazoo for a nice win for them.  Also, best wishes to the Kalamazoo senior player who hurt his ankle early in the game and was unable to return.  I hope his injury ends up being just a sprain.  And finally, as usual, I've enjoyed posting and having discussion with all of you this season on our board (and yes, even despite differences of opinion at times).  Congratulations to Adrian for their MIAA title and best to them for next weekend's first round playoff game.  Hopefully, they can advance beyond that and even further. 
   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 16, 2014, 10:25:38 PM
Congrats Adrian on winning the MIAA Championship.  Your reward, and you have no choice on whether to choose it, is a game at Mt. Union.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2014, 12:23:26 AM
Congrats to Adrian for winning the MIAA. Also congrats goes to former MIAA football member Wisconsin Lutheran for winning a share of their first conference title this year too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on November 17, 2014, 08:29:47 AM
Congrats to Coach Zorbo and the Hornets of bringing the Shoes back to Kzoo. I was a Jr. the last time the Hornets won. Nicely done.   

Albion produced a really nice  video for the 20th Anniversary of their National Title.  Check it out:  http://albion1994.com/ (http://albion1994.com/)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2014, 09:26:15 PM
I am somewhat surprised as to how quiet it has been here on our board this week especially in regards to our Adrian fans/posters.  No one has any comments to make about the game?  I wish Adrian all the best as they go against a very good Mount Union team.  IMO, the potential chance I think they have is if they strike first and hard i.e. "the shock" value and then maintain while keeping that forward intensity up.  Back in 2006 when we (Hope) played Mount Union at their place in the 1st round game, per that philosophy, I truly thought we had a chance by doing that and it seemed we just might have at first when we were at the 1 yard line in the first couple of minutes of the game.  However, as we all know, that is difficult to do, particularly with a team like Mount Union and specifically since it is them.  They were shocked that we struck so fast like that, but then they stuffed us at the goal line and within then next 4-6 minutes, we were behind 21-0.  Not a great day.  BTW, that was P. Garcon's senior year and he was the big difference in the game.

Anyway, good luck to Adrian, our MIAA representatives.  Hope the Adrian fans can enjoy some of the atmosphere down there and I also hope the weather is decent. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on November 21, 2014, 12:03:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2014, 09:26:15 PM
I am somewhat surprised as to how quiet it has been here on our board this week especially in regards to our Adrian fans/posters.  No one has any comments to make about the game?  I wish Adrian all the best as they go against a very good Mount Union team.  IMO, the potential chance I think they have is if they strike first and hard i.e. "the shock" value and then maintain while keeping that forward intensity up.  Back in 2006 when we (Hope) played Mount Union at their place in the 1st round game, per that philosophy, I truly thought we had a chance by doing that and it seemed we just might have at first when we were at the 1 yard line in the first couple of minutes of the game.  However, as we all know, that is difficult to do, particularly with a team like Mount Union and specifically since it is them.  They were shocked that we struck so fast like that, but then they stuffed us at the goal line and within then next 4-6 minutes, we were behind 21-0.  Not a great day.  BTW, that was P. Garcon's senior year and he was the big difference in the game.

I agree, with a team like Mt. Union, it will be difficult to come from behind a large deficit. I will say, that Adrian does play a style of football that could keep them in the game if they are successful at running the ball. Eat the clock, wear out the defense, and capitalize on scoring opportunities are a must. As is the case in most games, this one is going to be on the offensive and defensive line. If Adrian can consistently get penetration and disrupt Mt. Union's play makers from the start, we will have a chance. Give them time to pass or gaps to run through and it will be 21-0, just like that.

Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2014, 09:26:15 PM
Anyway, good luck to Adrian, our MIAA representatives.  Hope the Adrian fans can enjoy some of the atmosphere down there and I also hope the weather is decent. 

I was going to offer that this would be one of those games were we hope for a wet, sloppy field, as it supposedly slows everyone down to similar speed, but the dang kids all got field turf these days. Anyway, I hope for good weather as well and a good showing by Adrian. I'll post my thoughts on the game afterwards.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: rscl70 on November 21, 2014, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: waxx on November 21, 2014, 12:03:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2014, 09:26:15 PM
I am somewhat surprised as to how quiet it has been here on our board this week especially in regards to our Adrian fans/posters.  No one has any comments to make about the game?  I wish Adrian all the best as they go against a very good Mount Union team.  IMO, the potential chance I think they have is if they strike first and hard i.e. "the shock" value and then maintain while keeping that forward intensity up.  Back in 2006 when we (Hope) played Mount Union at their place in the 1st round game, per that philosophy, I truly thought we had a chance by doing that and it seemed we just might have at first when we were at the 1 yard line in the first couple of minutes of the game.  However, as we all know, that is difficult to do, particularly with a team like Mount Union and specifically since it is them.  They were shocked that we struck so fast like that, but then they stuffed us at the goal line and within then next 4-6 minutes, we were behind 21-0.  Not a great day.  BTW, that was P. Garcon's senior year and he was the big difference in the game.

I agree, with a team like Mt. Union, it will be difficult to come from behind a large deficit. I will say, that Adrian does play a style of football that could keep them in the game if they are successful at running the ball. Eat the clock, wear out the defense, and capitalize on scoring opportunities are a must. As is the case in most games, this one is going to be on the offensive and defensive line. If Adrian can consistently get penetration and disrupt Mt. Union's play makers from the start, we will have a chance. Give them time to pass or gaps to run through and it will be 21-0, just like that.

Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2014, 09:26:15 PM
Anyway, good luck to Adrian, our MIAA representatives.  Hope the Adrian fans can enjoy some of the atmosphere down there and I also hope the weather is decent. 

I was going to offer that this would be one of those games were we hope for a wet, sloppy field, as it supposedly slows everyone down to similar speed, but the dang kids all got field turf these days. Anyway, I hope for good weather as well and a good showing by Adrian. I'll post my thoughts on the game afterwards.

Forecast for Alliance tomorrow:  Saturday A chance of showers, mainly after noon. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 42. Southwest wind 11 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible.

Umbrellas are not permitted in Mount Union Stadium, so if you are coming bring appropriate rain gear.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: purpled on November 22, 2014, 11:28:58 AM
Hey Adrian fans! Pew Waxx...I think it will be tough for Adrian to run the ball consistantly and on a day like this you're going to need that to be successful. We have a number of weapons on offense  and your DB's will need to be on their toes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 22, 2014, 01:15:31 PM
A fast start would not have helped.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2014, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: sac on November 22, 2014, 01:15:31 PM
A fast start would not have helped.

You are right.  Although I was obviously rooting for Adrian in representing our MIAA, I am shocked that they got so pummeled as they did.  At the same time, I think it would not have mattered who our MIAA representing team was today against Mount Union.  In reality, none of our teams were overpowering anyone this year and that was actually even more evident in actually seeing them play the league games in succession.  Great competition among our own league members, however, the MIAA still has a long way to go to be more competitive on a consistent basis in the playoffs.  Anyway, congratulations to Adrian for a fine season.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on November 22, 2014, 11:47:09 PM
Only listened to the first quarter and a half. It was a pretty dissappointing end to the season, although not too unexpected.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on November 23, 2014, 12:22:16 AM
I think 40+ point losses are going to be the norm for MIAA playoff teams for a while unless 1. A team plays a weak(ish) non-con slate and runs the table in the conference. Or 2 (less likely), a team lands several prep players of a significantly higher caliber than that MIAA norm at key positions.

Since Albion won the national championship 20 years ago (today's MIAA players were likely no older than 1 or 2 when this occurred), only Trine has won any playoff games, that run was fueled by Trine having a few players of above-average caliber, but especially through the efforts of Galigardi trophy winner and offensive-do everything QB Eric Watt. Trine's decent but unspectacular performance subsequently I think shows how much that particular group of players fueled Trine's run.

That said, this years MIAA performance in the non-conference, especially in our CCIW challenge showed that probably at least 5 MIAA teams could have at least challenged low-mid caliber playoff teams. The intra-compeitiveness of this league, combined with at least 1 out of conference loss by every league member meant that no team was going to take a "shiny" 10-0 record to the playoffs, and given the MIAA's reputation, that meant that an MIAA school with any other record was probably going to be one of the last 4 seeds in the playoffs, and play against a team, that is not only far above the caliber of any MIAA team, but truly, far above the caliber of all but a few of the teams in D3 football.

That said, while I'm sure we would all want the MIAA to be more nationally competitive, the likelihood of that happening for multiple MIAA teams at once seems slim, and I think the competitiveness of this league, the fact that at least 5/7 teams had fairly legitimate championship aspirations this season, is something to be cherished, and makes this league a more compelling one to follow than leagues (like the OAC) where the league champion is essentially a forgone conclusion on September 1st.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2014, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on November 23, 2014, 12:22:16 AM
I think 40+ point losses are going to be the norm for MIAA playoff teams for a while unless 1. A team plays a weak(ish) non-con slate and runs the table in the conference. Or 2 (less likely), a team lands several prep players of a significantly higher caliber than that MIAA norm at key positions.

Since Albion won the national championship 20 years ago (today's MIAA players were likely no older than 1 or 2 when this occurred), only Trine has won any playoff games, that run was fueled by Trine having a few players of above-average caliber, but especially through the efforts of Galigardi trophy winner and offensive-do everything QB Eric Watt. Trine's decent but unspectacular performance subsequently I think shows how much that particular group of players fueled Trine's run.

That said, this years MIAA performance in the non-conference, especially in our CCIW challenge showed that probably at least 5 MIAA teams could have at least challenged low-mid caliber playoff teams. The intra-compeitiveness of this league, combined with at least 1 out of conference loss by every league member meant that no team was going to take a "shiny" 10-0 record to the playoffs, and given the MIAA's reputation, that meant that an MIAA school with any other record was probably going to be one of the last 4 seeds in the playoffs, and play against a team, that is not only far above the caliber of any MIAA team, but truly, far above the caliber of all but a few of the teams in D3 football.

That said, while I'm sure we would all want the MIAA to be more nationally competitive, the likelihood of that happening for multiple MIAA teams at once seems slim, and I think the competitiveness of this league, the fact that at least 5/7 teams had fairly legitimate championship aspirations this season, is something to be cherished, and makes this league a more compelling one to follow than leagues (like the OAC) where the league champion is essentially a forgone conclusion on September 1st.

Well said and I agree with your overview.  I, too, enjoy seeing the competitiveness in our MIAA title race as even teams who have extremely down years, like Alma and Kalamazoo can have a huge part in determining the outcome, even if they are eliminated early on.  Concerning the MIAA overall becoming more competitive in the playoffs, that is unlikely, other than some occasional years (streaks) like Trine had.  I agree with you that most likely the only way that even the latter will happen is when some of the schools are able to recruit a group of higher caliber players from time to time-players who have talent enough to play at the other NCAA levels, yet for whatever reason choose an MIAA school.  However, that will be few and far between because the "climate" has changed from the era of Albion's 1994 Stagg Bowl National Championship, both in our region but overall nationally.

Many of us have discussed the various reasons why here in the past on this board and the other boards.  At least for our Michigan and tri-state area region, one of the main reasons in the mix is the now more availability of scholarship football (and most of the MIAA head coaches are in agreement with this) at the DII and NAIA levels and that obviously also ties into the tuition costs despite the scholarship $ not being as much as a DI level program.  Plus that of the high tuition costs at the MIAA schools.  If parents can't afford the higher costs of the MIAA schools and they don't qualify for enough need-based financial aid (or their son isn't awarded a community or church or some other type grant/scholarships), those players are either going to the DII programs (if they are talented enough to play there) or choosing to not play football, even if they are not quite at the level of DII talent although above the average high school player talent level.

Nonetheless, all the above doesn't mean that our MIAA teams (and us as alums, fans, etc.) don't want to see the continued striving for getting to the next tier of competitiveness on a regular basis in the playoffs.  While the chances are slim, one of our teams just might have that surprising year and progress further into the post season as Trine did during their recent period.  Yet, again, it is great to see the intense competition during the season leading up to the AQ for our league each year.  As you mentioned, that is one of the aspects that helps the MIAA standout among some of the other conferences from a consistent standpoint.         
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 23, 2014, 06:00:09 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 23, 2014, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on November 23, 2014, 12:22:16 AM
I think 40+ point losses are going to be the norm for MIAA playoff teams for a while unless 1. A team plays a weak(ish) non-con slate and runs the table in the conference. Or 2 (less likely), a team lands several prep players of a significantly higher caliber than that MIAA norm at key positions.

Since Albion won the national championship 20 years ago (today's MIAA players were likely no older than 1 or 2 when this occurred), only Trine has won any playoff games, that run was fueled by Trine having a few players of above-average caliber, but especially through the efforts of Galigardi trophy winner and offensive-do everything QB Eric Watt. Trine's decent but unspectacular performance subsequently I think shows how much that particular group of players fueled Trine's run.

That said, this years MIAA performance in the non-conference, especially in our CCIW challenge showed that probably at least 5 MIAA teams could have at least challenged low-mid caliber playoff teams. The intra-compeitiveness of this league, combined with at least 1 out of conference loss by every league member meant that no team was going to take a "shiny" 10-0 record to the playoffs, and given the MIAA's reputation, that meant that an MIAA school with any other record was probably going to be one of the last 4 seeds in the playoffs, and play against a team, that is not only far above the caliber of any MIAA team, but truly, far above the caliber of all but a few of the teams in D3 football.

That said, while I'm sure we would all want the MIAA to be more nationally competitive, the likelihood of that happening for multiple MIAA teams at once seems slim, and I think the competitiveness of this league, the fact that at least 5/7 teams had fairly legitimate championship aspirations this season, is something to be cherished, and makes this league a more compelling one to follow than leagues (like the OAC) where the league champion is essentially a forgone conclusion on September 1st.

Well said and I agree with your overview.  I, too, enjoy seeing the competitiveness in our MIAA title race as even teams who have extremely down years, like Alma and Kalamazoo can have a huge part in determining the outcome, even if they are eliminated early on.  Concerning the MIAA overall becoming more competitive in the playoffs, that is unlikely, other than some occasional years (streaks) like Trine had.  I agree with you that most likely the only way that even the latter will happen is when some of the schools are able to recruit a group of higher caliber players from time to time-players who have talent enough to play at the other NCAA levels, yet for whatever reason choose an MIAA school.  However, that will be few and far between because the "climate" has changed from the era of Albion's 1994 Stagg Bowl National Championship, both in our region but overall nationally.

Many of us have discussed the various reasons why here in the past on this board and the other boards.  At least for our Michigan and tri-state area region, one of the main reasons in the mix is the now more availability of scholarship football (and most of the MIAA head coaches are in agreement with this) at the DII and NAIA levels and that obviously also ties into the tuition costs despite the scholarship $ not being as much as a DI level program.  Plus that of the high tuition costs at the MIAA schools.  If parents can't afford the higher costs of the MIAA schools and they don't qualify for enough need-based financial aid (or their son isn't awarded a community or church or some other type grant/scholarships), those players are either going to the DII programs (if they are talented enough to play there) or choosing to not play football, even if they are not quite at the level of DII talent although above the average high school player talent level.

Nonetheless, all the above doesn't mean that our MIAA teams (and us as alums, fans, etc.) don't want to see the continued striving for getting to the next tier of competitiveness on a regular basis in the playoffs.  While the chances are slim, one of our teams just might have that surprising year and progress further into the post season as Trine did during their recent period.  Yet, again, it is great to see the intense competition during the season leading up to the AQ for our league each year.  As you mentioned, that is one of the aspects that helps the MIAA standout among some of the other conferences from a consistent standpoint.         

formerd3db, RuleBritannia,

I agree with you. In my case I follow the MIAA for two reasons, my friend formerd3db and that I am alum of Central Michigan
along with Mount Union. We lived in Western Michigan for 3+ years and our son graduated from Portage Central ( A great school).

formerd3db has been at a Mount Union playoff game and he will just verify what you are saying. In Michigan, IMHO, the D2
schools seem to attract the best athletes which makes it really tough for recruiting for the D3 schools. Regarding the Adrian game,
the final result is what I expected. Mount Union leads D3 in Offense and Defense, so the game was not competitive.
Hopefully the MIAA can continue to raise its game despite the many outside competitive obstacles.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Thanks for your own insight on the topic Raider68.  Also, for our colleagues here, indeed, I had a great experience both times I've been at a playoff game at Mount Union, even though we i.e. Hope lost in 2006 and I was "working" at the game; the other time was a couple of years ago with my friend Raider68, who was a gracious host.  It was a very neat atmosphere.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2014, 06:12:10 PM
Although this is not a football topic, congratulations to our Hope's women's volleyball team as they won the NCAA Div. III National Championship two nights ago against Emory!  A great accomplishment for them.  As many of you know, this is only the 3rd NCAA national championship Hope teams have won (2 women's national BB titles, this one, although the men's BB were runners-up twice in the national title game). 

Anyway, I wish all of you a safe and blessed Thanksgiving holiday with your families. 

Your fellow MIAA'er,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 26, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
To all the MIAA posters, have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 05, 2014, 08:47:00 AM
formerd3db:

I thought I'd answer you here, given how busy the OAC Board is.

I actually STILL haven't been to the Stagg Bowl -- though I work with a guy who was a part of the Wabash team in 1977 that played Widener for the Title in Alabama.  Our recently departed VP of Sales (just yesterday, actually) is a JCU graduate.  We have a Regional Sales Manager who was a barefoot kicker for Dubuque.  Our Sales Training Manager graduated from St Thomas.  Finally, I have a customer in Iowa who was a pretty good RB for Dubuque.  So there's quite a bit of D3 talk in the office, which is cool. 

I'm still planning to head to the Stagg Bowl -- it will probably be a couple years since Cora is now with us (she's 8 months and stole daddy's heart from day 1)  Anyhow, how are your daughters doing?? 

Never did I think on October 2nd, 1999 that I'd meet a friend from the opposing sideline -- of course, I also didn't think I would be completely knocked out like that... But I did have it coming with some of the "talk" going between myself and that defense.  They had hit me quite a few times before that and I wasn't happy about it.

I still get migraines from that day and a few before it -- namely a game against Osh Kosh in 1998 where I attempted 50 passes and was hit on probably 45 of them. 

Hope all is well for you and your family.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 05, 2014, 06:30:58 PM
Hope released its schedule for next season and league schedules for 17/18 http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/fball/history/future_schedule     Happy to see the Albion game moved to back end of the schedule.

I think the only game that is new or not known for next year is playing at Elmhurst.  Seems like I remember the league offering a news release on all the MIAA/CCIW games last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2014, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on December 05, 2014, 08:47:00 AM
formerd3db:

I thought I'd answer you here, given how busy the OAC Board is.

I actually STILL haven't been to the Stagg Bowl -- though I work with a guy who was a part of the Wabash team in 1977 that played Widener for the Title in Alabama.  Our recently departed VP of Sales (just yesterday, actually) is a JCU graduate.  We have a Regional Sales Manager who was a barefoot kicker for Dubuque.  Our Sales Training Manager graduated from St Thomas.  Finally, I have a customer in Iowa who was a pretty good RB for Dubuque.  So there's quite a bit of D3 talk in the office, which is cool. 

I'm still planning to head to the Stagg Bowl -- it will probably be a couple years since Cora is now with us (she's 8 months and stole daddy's heart from day 1)  Anyhow, how are your daughters doing?? 

Never did I think on October 2nd, 1999 that I'd meet a friend from the opposing sideline -- of course, I also didn't think I would be completely knocked out like that... But I did have it coming with some of the "talk" going between myself and that defense.  They had hit me quite a few times before that and I wasn't happy about it.

I still get migraines from that day and a few before it -- namely a game against Osh Kosh in 1998 where I attempted 50 passes and was hit on probably 45 of them. 

Hope all is well for you and your family.

No problem SaintsFAN.  You and I scan most of the boards in our region anyway, so I know we keep current.  Thanks for the memories, but, even more seriously, I am sorry to hear that you still have some effects after all these years.  I guess that just goes to further prove that concussions are far more serious than mistakenly assumed in past decades as has been discovered with all the research that has been done recently.  While your headaches are certainly a concern, what you are experiencing hopefully will not be any worse.

Congratulations to you and your wife on your beautiful daughter.  I commend you for being the dedicated father/husband you are.  Having had two daughters of our own, I know what your feelings are!  Always keep that because we only really get one "go around" at that.

As far as the Stagg, as I mentioned, going to one with you and some of our other colleagues some day is one of the items on my own "bucket list".  We'll make it happen, I am confident.  Your time frame seems reasonable and, at least for now, works for me also.  BTW, I'm dating myself here, but I played against your work associate that year-I'm sure he recalls that game as it was played in a horrendous rainstorm at times and a thunder delay occurred at the beginning.  We were the only team to beat them that year, except for their Stagg Bowl loss.  I was rooting for them in the Stagg Bowl.  Anyway, I have great memories of that game and season.

Thanks for asking about our family.  Daughters are doing well, as are my wife and I.  Some changes currently going on, but all is good.  Wishing you and your wife and daughter all God's blessings for the upcoming holiday season and in 2015 and beyond.  I'll PM you sometime in the near future to relate more update.  Thanks for yours.  And...keep on keeping those guys on the other boards in line-you do a great job at that! ;D

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 07, 2014, 09:38:17 AM
Quote from: sac on December 05, 2014, 06:30:58 PM
Hope released its schedule for next season and league schedules for 17/18 http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/fball/history/future_schedule     Happy to see the Albion game moved to back end of the schedule.

I think the only game that is new or not known for next year is playing at Elmhurst.  Seems like I remember the league offering a news release on all the MIAA/CCIW games last year.

I'm with you regarding the Albion game being moved back to the end of the schedule.  While all the league games are important, to me, the Hope/Albion rivalry is like the end of the season Michigan/Ohio State game.  That said, the moving back/moving forward towards the beginning of the schedule has been a pattern for years.  The league has had kind of a cycling/rolling scheduling plan with the teams rotating through the slots. The other games, Alma, Olivet, Kazoo and Adrian have pretty much then been in between, rotating among those slots as well, although the Kazoo and Adrian have usually been towards the end of the schedule often.  Way back in my day, senior year schedule had Olivet, Albion, Alma, Adrian and Kalamazoo. Personally, I always liked playing Olivet, Alma and Albion in October as it was neat to see the fall colors on their historic campuses.  Still, having your most intense rivalry at the last game of the season is always great.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 12, 2014, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: sac on December 05, 2014, 06:30:58 PM
Hope released its schedule for next season and league schedules for 17/18 http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/fball/history/future_schedule     Happy to see the Albion game moved to back end of the schedule.

I think the only game that is new or not known for next year is playing at Elmhurst.  Seems like I remember the league offering a news release on all the MIAA/CCIW games last year.

Speaking of Challenge Series. Here is the tenative MIAA/NACC Challenge series schedule

Benedictine vs Adrian (auto-bid vs auto-bid)
Lakeland vs Trine (IMO I think Lakeland gets Trine with the head to head win over WLC)
Wisconsin Lutheran vs Albion
Concordia Wisconsin vs Hope
Rockford/Concordia Chicago/Aurora vs Olivet
Rockford/Concordia Chicago/Aurora vs Kalamazoo
Rockford/Concordia Chicago/Aurora vs Alma

I could figure out the three way tie at the top but I can't figure out the three way tie at the bottom of the NACC. The only team that was by themselves in the standings was Concordia Wisconsin at 3-3. Everyone else was either 5-1 or 1-5.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 12, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
Well I wonder how the CCIW/MIAA Challenge will work since CCIW has 8 teams and MIAA has 7 like the NACC had before Maranatha left in year one of the NACC/MIAA challenge.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 12, 2014, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on December 12, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
Well I wonder how the CCIW/MIAA Challenge will work since CCIW has 8 teams and MIAA has 7 like the NACC had before Maranatha left in year one of the NACC/MIAA challenge.

I thought it was just "North Central doesn't play" to resolve the CCIW/MIAA thing?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2014, 04:22:57 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 12, 2014, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on December 12, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
Well I wonder how the CCIW/MIAA Challenge will work since CCIW has 8 teams and MIAA has 7 like the NACC had before Maranatha left in year one of the NACC/MIAA challenge.

I thought it was just "North Central doesn't play" to resolve the CCIW/MIAA thing?

That's how they did it this year; haven't heard whether that will be the same for future years.  (Perhaps it is that the CCIW defending champ will not be included, in which case Wheaton would be the one next year.  Likewise I don't know if St. Norbert is signed up to be the honorary eighth team for the MIAA again.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on December 12, 2014, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on December 12, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
Well I wonder how the CCIW/MIAA Challenge will work since CCIW has 8 teams and MIAA has 7 like the NACC had before Maranatha left in year one of the NACC/MIAA challenge.

St. Norbert (Wis.) College became the eighth "MIAA" school to make up for the difference. St. Norbert played North Central in 2014. I am not sure what the plans are for 2015.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 16, 2014, 02:58:11 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on December 12, 2014, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on December 12, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
Well I wonder how the CCIW/MIAA Challenge will work since CCIW has 8 teams and MIAA has 7 like the NACC had before Maranatha left in year one of the NACC/MIAA challenge.

St. Norbert (Wis.) College became the eighth "MIAA" school to make up for the difference. St. Norbert played North Central in 2014. I am not sure what the plans are for 2015.

The pairings are out officially and can be found here:

https://t.e2ma.net/message/48pce/crlfqb
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 17, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 16, 2014, 02:58:11 PM

The pairings are out officially and can be found here:

https://t.e2ma.net/message/48pce/crlfqb

The most interesting release on that page is clearly the one about Adrian adding Women's Wrestling.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Craft_Beermeister on December 18, 2014, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: sac on December 17, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 16, 2014, 02:58:11 PM

The pairings are out officially and can be found here:

https://t.e2ma.net/message/48pce/crlfqb

The most interesting release on that page is clearly the one about Adrian adding Women's Wrestling.

Women wrestling.  Wow.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2014, 10:33:05 PM
Quote from: Craft_Beermeister on December 18, 2014, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: sac on December 17, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 16, 2014, 02:58:11 PM

The pairings are out officially and can be found here:

https://t.e2ma.net/message/48pce/crlfqb

The most interesting release on that page is clearly the one about Adrian adding Women's Wrestling.

Women wrestling.  Wow.

Down, boy!  They will wear clothes and wrestle on mats, not in mud or jello, or whatever you were imagining! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2014, 04:22:37 PM
Pat:

I just wanted to congratulate you and Keith on a great post-Stagg Bowl podcast.  That was one of the best you guys have done, IMO.  You both really put things in perspective and had some great overview of the various facets of the game, the teams, the people, etc.

Thanks again for another great year of D3fb.com and making this site possible for all of us.  Wishing you both and your families (and all your staff) a blessed Christmas and New Year's holiday season.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 24, 2014, 12:56:31 PM
To all the MIAA Posters, Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on January 06, 2015, 11:41:31 AM

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The most interesting release on that page is clearly the one about Adrian adding Women's Wrestling.
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Adrian is adding more and more less than traditional(not sure if that is the best way to describe it) sports and activities. One motivation I have read, not directly related to Adrian, for small schools to do this is that the cost of the program is far less than the tuition from the student-athletes it will bring to the school.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on January 13, 2015, 07:39:35 AM
Quote from: waxx on January 06, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
Adrian is adding more and more less than traditional(not sure if that is the best way to describe it) sports and activities. One motivation I have read, not directly related to Adrian, for small schools to do this is that the cost of the program is far less than the tuition from the student-athletes it will bring to the school.

It also is a Title IX issue as far as opportunities for womens sports, though I know that using athletics to drive enrollment growth has been a big part of the fantastic turn around on campus at Adrian College.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2015, 09:53:18 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2015, 05:09:50 PM
New head coach at Trine.  Former assistant Abbs takes over.  Land now the Assistant Vice President for Athletics at Trine.
 
http://trinethunder.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/201501139m2xio

My son liked playing for Abbs and thinks he is a good coach.  Go Thunder!   :)




Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 14, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2015, 05:09:50 PM
New head coach at Trine.  Former assistant Abbs takes over.  Land now the Assistant Vice President for Athletics at Trine.
 
http://trinethunder.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/201501139m2xio

My son liked playing for Abbs and thinks he is a good coach.  Go Thunder!   :)

Thanks for the update Uncle Rico.  I missed that.  Sounds like it was the right time and opportunity for Land to have a new chapter in his life.  Yet, at the same time, a great opportunity for Abbs.  As the administrators in the press release indicated, it should make for a solid/smooth transition and continued re-progress for the program by having someone who has been involved with it and knows the system.   Quite a large pool of candidates applied, yet that seems to be the norm these days for DIII and DIII-a hundred applications+ is very common when these jobs open up.

Wishing Land the best in his new career chapter and also for Abbs (except against Hope! :o ;D :)) 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 23, 2015, 10:28:16 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 14, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2015, 05:09:50 PM
New head coach at Trine.  Former assistant Abbs takes over.  Land now the Assistant Vice President for Athletics at Trine.
 
http://trinethunder.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/201501139m2xio

My son liked playing for Abbs and thinks he is a good coach.  Go Thunder!   :)

Thanks for the update Uncle Rico.  I missed that.  Sounds like it was the right time and opportunity for Land to have a new chapter in his life.  Yet, at the same time, a great opportunity for Abbs.  As the administrators in the press release indicated, it should make for a solid/smooth transition and continued re-progress for the program by having someone who has been involved with it and knows the system.   Quite a large pool of candidates applied, yet that seems to be the norm these days for DIII and DIII-a hundred applications+ is very common when these jobs open up.

Wishing Land the best in his new career chapter and also for Abbs (except against Hope! :o ;D :))

Did you get my PM, formerd3db??
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on February 23, 2015, 08:53:41 PM
SaintsFAN:

I did and thank you.  I have intended to reply back sooner, however, was out-of-town for the weekend and had a busy work day today.  I will send you a reply PM this evening...in fact probably right now.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 24, 2015, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on February 23, 2015, 08:53:41 PM
SaintsFAN:

I did and thank you.  I have intended to reply back sooner, however, was out-of-town for the weekend and had a busy work day today.  I will send you a reply PM this evening...in fact probably right now.

I read your reply and I shall return in kind very soon.  Probably tonight though.  I'd like to re-read what you've sent me.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 10, 2015, 11:08:01 AM
Former3db,

What is the outlook for the MIAA this fall, who emerges as the favorite to win the conference and who will be the surprise team.

Hope you have had a great summer! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 11, 2015, 05:14:06 PM
Hope pre-season roster, 137 with 12 out of state players
http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/roster?sort=number

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 17, 2015, 07:37:41 PM
Raider68:

Apologies for the delay in this response.  Regarding your question, I guess I figure it will be pretty much similar to last year, at least for now.  I would Hope (no pun intended) that we will be right up there, but we have a few key players to replace and hopefully those who are next in line will be ready to step up.

BTW, I was glad to see that the attempt to unionize college football players was smacked down today with the ruling.  As I voiced my opinion on that last year when the movement was launched and in progress, that was an absurd idea.  IMO, Colter and his "accomplice" from UCLA are nothing but users and takers-we have too many of those in that mind-set today, unfortunately and sad.  Anyway, I hope your summer went well and trust you are ready for the season like the rest of us. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 19, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
MIAA Pre-season poll

1.  Adrian     9pts
2.  Albion    16pts
3t  Olivet    17pts
3t  Trine      17pts
5.  Hope     23pts
6.  Kzoo      31pts
7.  Alma      34pts
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 20, 2015, 11:17:24 AM
MLive story on the Hope team including returning QB and 2 DI transfers:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2015/08/returning_quarterback_2_divisi.html#incart_river
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 22, 2015, 11:40:52 AM
Trine 2015 roster up:  http://www.trinethunder.com/sports/fball/2015-16/roster

160+ roster with 90+ freshman.  Offense should be loaded, most everyone back.  Masiewicz at QB is getting looks from the pro level I hear.  The big question is whether the defense is improved in 2015.  They lost a couple very good D-linemen.  Trine just wasn't very good at all on D last year, couldn't stop anyone, we had to outscore the opponents to have a chance, it was like basketball on the football field.  Season starts less than 2 weeks away, with a Thursday night game at Zollner against Manchester.  Can't wait to see what this year's Thunder will do under new head coach Abbs.  I doubt the coaching philosophies will differ much than from coach Land.

Another record enrollment for the University overall, I believe they are now over 2000 on the Angola campus alone.  New on campus residence hall too, this one overlooking the west endzone of Zollner Stadium.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 24, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
Does Hope have a scrimmage with another team coming up?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 24, 2015, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 24, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
Does Hope have a scrimmage with another team coming up?

No.  First, Hope was one of the few DIII teams that still held to the traditional Intra-squad Final controlled game type scrimmage as opposed to most other schools who have been scrimmaging other colleges in a final exhibition scrimmage in the past decade+ or so.  These are what I called the "Spring Games" of August, somewhat like the DI annual final Spring Game after spring practice season.  As I'm sure you know, this was kind of like a semi-game day as parents, friends and fans of Hope football attended, in a game day like atmosphere, with a set number of controlled plays, hired refs, etc., etc.

Second, Coach Kreps last year, for the first time (at least as far as I know, otherwise it was a long long time going way back even before my own playing days there), held the final scrimmage two weeks before the first game instead of the Saturday before to cut back on injuries to key players.  Of course, we all know that is a risk at any time.  However, this year, Coach K has decided not to have a scrimmage at all and just a limited regular practice.  While that is a change in tradition, I can understand his reasoning.  We'll see if it makes a difference this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 24, 2015, 10:13:33 PM
Hey, BTW, friends, I'm sure that most you quietly noticed that we (our MIAA board here) finally made it to page 600 for posts! :)  Obviously, nothing anywhere near compared to several of the other boards, nonetheless a "milestone" for us! ;D

Looking forward to posting with all of you here again this season (even when we might disagree on some aspects.  ;) :)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 25, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 24, 2015, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 24, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
Does Hope have a scrimmage with another team coming up?

No.  First, Hope was one of the few DIII teams that still held to the traditional Intra-squad Final controlled game type scrimmage as opposed to most other schools who have been scrimmaging other colleges in a final exhibition scrimmage in the past decade+ or so.  These are what I called the "Spring Games" of August, somewhat like the DI annual final Spring Game after spring practice season.  As I'm sure you know, this was kind of like a semi-game day as parents, friends and fans of Hope football attended, in a game day like atmosphere, with a set number of controlled plays, hired refs, etc., etc.

Second, Coach Kreps last year, for the first time (at least as far as I know, otherwise it was a long long time going way back even before my own playing days there), held the final scrimmage two weeks before the first game instead of the Saturday before to cut back on injuries to key players.  Of course, we all know that is a risk at any time.  However, this year, Coach K has decided not to have a scrimmage at all and just a limited regular practice.  While that is a change in tradition, I can understand his reasoning.  We'll see if it makes a difference this year.

Thanks ... I'll just wait for the Monmouth game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 25, 2015, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 24, 2015, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 24, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
Does Hope have a scrimmage with another team coming up?

No.  First, Hope was one of the few DIII teams that still held to the traditional Intra-squad Final controlled game type scrimmage as opposed to most other schools who have been scrimmaging other colleges in a final exhibition scrimmage in the past decade+ or so.  These are what I called the "Spring Games" of August, somewhat like the DI annual final Spring Game after spring practice season.  As I'm sure you know, this was kind of like a semi-game day as parents, friends and fans of Hope football attended, in a game day like atmosphere, with a set number of controlled plays, hired refs, etc., etc.

Second, Coach Kreps last year, for the first time (at least as far as I know, otherwise it was a long long time going way back even before my own playing days there), held the final scrimmage two weeks before the first game instead of the Saturday before to cut back on injuries to key players.  Of course, we all know that is a risk at any time.  However, this year, Coach K has decided not to have a scrimmage at all and just a limited regular practice.  While that is a change in tradition, I can understand his reasoning.  We'll see if it makes a difference this year.

This is an interesting topic and one I have mixed feelings about.  I've seen Wabash players lose large portions or entireties of seasons due to injuries suffered in both an intrasquad scrimmage (which Wabash doesn't do anymore...that I know of) and in the camp-ending scrimmage with Wheaton (which Wabash has been doing for a decade or so now).  I definitely appreciate the utility of getting a "game" in before Game 1 and working through a lot of the typical first game mistakes (procedure penalties come to mind specifically), but man, sometimes there is a heavy price that gets paid for that dress rehearsal and I'm not always sure it is worth it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on August 26, 2015, 06:48:07 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 25, 2015, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 24, 2015, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 24, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
Does Hope have a scrimmage with another team coming up?

No.  First, Hope was one of the few DIII teams that still held to the traditional Intra-squad Final controlled game type scrimmage as opposed to most other schools who have been scrimmaging other colleges in a final exhibition scrimmage in the past decade+ or so.  These are what I called the "Spring Games" of August, somewhat like the DI annual final Spring Game after spring practice season.  As I'm sure you know, this was kind of like a semi-game day as parents, friends and fans of Hope football attended, in a game day like atmosphere, with a set number of controlled plays, hired refs, etc., etc.

Second, Coach Kreps last year, for the first time (at least as far as I know, otherwise it was a long long time going way back even before my own playing days there), held the final scrimmage two weeks before the first game instead of the Saturday before to cut back on injuries to key players.  Of course, we all know that is a risk at any time.  However, this year, Coach K has decided not to have a scrimmage at all and just a limited regular practice.  While that is a change in tradition, I can understand his reasoning.  We'll see if it makes a difference this year.

This is an interesting topic and one I have mixed feelings about.  I've seen Wabash players lose large portions or entireties of seasons due to injuries suffered in both an intrasquad scrimmage (which Wabash doesn't do anymore...that I know of) and in the camp-ending scrimmage with Wheaton (which Wabash has been doing for a decade or so now).  I definitely appreciate the utility of getting a "game" in before Game 1 and working through a lot of the typical first game mistakes (procedure penalties come to mind specifically), but man, sometimes there is a heavy price that gets paid for that dress rehearsal and I'm not always sure it is worth it.

Just one man's opinion/experience, but I never felt like our scrimmage was worth it.

IMHO, our scrimmages (Westminster once, Waynesburg three times) did not feel close enough to a game simulation (incidentally, this is not only reflective of the game itself; one complaint of mine is also that we never spent more than one meeting/practice preparing for the opponent's offense/defense schemes, which meant that even as we took the field, we often came up to the line and botched the execution because we hadn't prepared to block certain fronts) to feel much benefit; I honestly think we'd have been just as prepared for Week 1 if we skipped it.  Perhaps this is just the hindsight of a multi-year starter talking; and maybe I'd have felt it was really beneficial if I had played sparingly for a couple years before being thrust into a starting role as a junior or senior.

Re: intrasquad scrimmaging, we only held three or four practices where the full first-team O lined up against the full first-team D for any plays at all, and even within those we did not tackle to the ground (coaches would blow the play dead early) because there was a season prior where CMU lost two running backs to season-ending injuries in one scrimmage.

With the NFL hullabaloo around pre-season games and players lost to injury during the pre-season, this is a fascinating topic to me.  It's definitely a shame to see a player like Jordy Nelson go down with an ACL tear, although I think the team & coaching staff should not be so quick to blame the NFL for forcing them to play 4 preseason games (after all, the coaches could elect not to play any starters).  I wonder if an NFL coach with some cachet (Belichick; someone who doesn't care what anyone thinks of him, and will never be fired) should take an even more brazen stand against the preseason, perhaps ordering that none of his starters even bother coming to the stadium for the last preseason game.

(Yes, I know that this spits in the face of team unity and supporting your potential teammates)

I really think the only way the NFL would shorten the 4-game preseason would be if coaches and players took action; instead of merely voicing their displeasure, show it by refusing to participate.  Send all the starters home altogether; don't even bring them to the game.  Is it really that much of a competitive disadvantage (in the regular season) to skip the handful of series that your starters play in the second and third game?

Anyways, back to college...much like the NFL preseason, besides getting the team some nominal preparation for the season, I think the preseason scrimmage is held 1) to break up the monotony of camp practices, 2) to get your team a chance to hit someone else, and 3) if there's any true season-preparation value, it's likely in letting the staff evaluate guys that are competing for jobs, and seeing the freshman players in action against someone else to decide whether any of them merit some early playing time.  With big rosters on many D3 teams, it's got to be nearly impossible to pick out that one stud freshman RB who might be a smidgen better than your 4 or 5 upper class guys vying for playing time, and sometimes a live-action scrimmage can help flesh that out.

Quite the ramble here.  Comments?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 27, 2015, 12:43:17 AM
Kind of neat story, the Steve in this article played basketball at Hope while I was there.
http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/4483856051374346388/referee-jerry-hendrickson-starts-53rd-and-final-season-with-sons-by-his-side/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
Wally and ExTartan:
This is extremely tardy, nonetheless, I thought I'd reply anyway, the very extreme lack of activity on our MIAA board notwithstanding (even for pre-season and perhaps the worst we've seen over the years).   You both make very good points regarding the "final scrimmage or no final scrimmage" topic.  It is a difficult decision for sure, including the safety and "tradition" considerations as well as the competition at positions evaluation considerations as you both pointed out.  Of course, we all know that the potential injury factor can happen at anytime whether in pre-season or season. But obviously, the decision for a pre-season ending scrimmage within one's own team or versus another college remains with the head coach.  It will be interesting to see how what effect, if any either way, that may have had on our team this year.  I can let you know after this weekend's season opening game.

Sac:
Thanks for posting that article.  What a great story and a lifetime family memory for those guys.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 03, 2015, 06:08:13 PM
Game night at Trine University as the Thunders welcomes their in-state rival Manchester College for their annual Thursday night season opener.  Heading out shortly and will comment on my observations on the 2015 edition of the Trine Thunder upon getting back from the game.  Former major league baseball player Tino Martinez to deliver the game ball for tonight's contest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 03, 2015, 11:11:39 PM
Trine wins season opener over Manchester 38-14.  Our QB Taylor Masiewicz had a nice game, being a senior and last year's MIAA offensive player of the year, he is expected to lead this team.  We really didn't rely on his arm all that much as Manchester couldn't stop our ground game.  The RB depth we have this year is by far the best I've seen at Trine in quite some time.  We all knew about Frank "the Tank" Vuocolo, who is our pounder, however the season debut of Freshman Lamar Carswell was pretty impressive.  He has tons of quickness in his cuts and speed!  To me he has bigger school talent, but am very happy he found his way to Trine.  He finished with around 175 yds and 3 td's.  However he did have a fumble on the 2 yd line on the first drive that Manchester recovered, so it wasn't all good, but still on some of his runs my buddies and I just looked at each in amazement.  He'll be a important weapon on an already loaded offense.

The Trine defense was only so so.  Don't get me wrong though, Manchester can move the ball.  They run the exact spread offense that Trine does and have a veteran QB that can throw it around.  We did hold their pre-season All American WR/KR Dakota Nelson in check.  We didn't kick away from him, or pooch kick, which surprised me.  But the special teams did a great job in coverage and didn't let him get loose with his tremendous speed.  Manchester's first 2 drives ended with interceptions by Freshman CB Marcus Winters, who is a nice addition to our secondary.  But we are still not very good against the run and our tackling was awful.  It's the first game and tackling will improve.  But we wiffed on a lot of tackles tonight.  Our new place kicker Haydock did very well, hit all his extra points and put our first points on the board with a FG. 

So, we did what was expected for the most part tonight.  Got some things to work on on D, but the offense was very solid.  Nice crowd again too, I think just shade under 5000.  Good luck to the rest of the MIAA teams on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 05, 2015, 06:26:06 PM
Watched the Hope - Monmouth game today.  Hope played well for one half and then fell victim to inconsistency.  Hope QB Kish played a good first half but had a miserable second half passing, thanks in part to very good Monmouth defensive play.  The Flying Dutchmen defense had its own moments, but not enough to keep Monmouth from putting together some time consuming scoring drives which kept Hope's defense on the field too much of the time.  Even a Hope highlight ... a 96-yard KO return for a TD by Chris Leigh ... put the Hope defense right back on the field.  Leigh will make some noise in the MIAA this season.  Hope's defense seemed vulnerable to the short-to-medium pass, but give credit to the Monmouth receivers as well.  It will be interesting to see how Hope does against Elmhurst, another team which played a good second half today, albeit against Loras.  Hope will need to be more consistent on both sides of the ball if it wants to take its MIAA opener against Albion.

At least you didn't have to play St. John's today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 05, 2015, 06:26:06 PM
Watched the Hope - Monmouth game today.  Hope played well for one half and then fell victim to inconsistency.  Hope QB Kish played a good first half but had a miserable second half passing, thanks in part to very good Monmouth defensive play.  The Flying Dutchmen defense had its own moments, but not enough to keep Monmouth from putting together some time consuming scoring drives which kept Hope's defense on the field too much of the time.  Even a Hope highlight ... a 96-yard KO return for a TD by Chris Leigh ... put the Hope defense right back on the field.  Leigh will make some noise in the MIAA this season.  Hope's defense seemed vulnerable to the short-to-medium pass, but give credit to the Monmouth receivers as well.  It will be interesting to see how Hope does against Elmhurst, another team which played a good second half today, albeit against Loras.  Hope will need to be more consistent on both sides of the ball if it wants to take its MIAA opener against Albion.

At least you didn't have to play St. John's today.


I agree with your assessment, yet would just add that poor tackling was also a huge contributor to Hope's demise Saturday.  That was really quite consistent throughout the game and they will need to work on tackling technique in practice, IMO.  Another general observation is the Monmouth is not the patsy it used to be in years back.  They had some good sized linemen on both sides of the ball and good receivers and RB.  It will be interesting to see how they do for the rest of the season.

A disappointing loss, Hope needs to regroup and try to rebound this weekend at Elmhurst.  I suspect it will be a somewhat close game, as Elmhurst is in a rebuilding phase so to speak, unless Hope falls apart as they sometimes have seemed to do on these early season away games the past few years.  But, it would be nice for us if that doesn't happen.  (Sorry jaybird ;D ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 18, 2015, 12:38:52 AM
Thoughts about this weekend anyone?  I think Hope has a chance to gain its first win of the season Saturday against Concordia-Wis. (Revised-got the Concordias mixed-up. ;))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 19, 2015, 09:08:26 PM
The MIAA went 7-0 today!!!  I'm guessing that this has NEVER before happened - anyone know?  Seems like there is always at least one essentially unwinnable game on the schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 19, 2015, 10:39:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 19, 2015, 09:08:26 PM
The MIAA went 7-0 today!!!  I'm guessing that this has NEVER before happened - anyone know?  Seems like there is always at least one essentially unwinnable game on the schedule.

Last year, the MIAA had a 6-1 record against the NACC rivals. Kalamazoo was the only team to lose.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2015, 12:24:19 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 19, 2015, 10:39:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 19, 2015, 09:08:26 PM
The MIAA went 7-0 today!!!  I'm guessing that this has NEVER before happened - anyone know?  Seems like there is always at least one essentially unwinnable game on the schedule.

Last year, the MIAA had a 6-1 record against the NACC rivals. Kalamazoo was the only team to lose.

Granted that the MIAA has found a much worse league in the NACC.  But 6-1 is not 7-0.  Has the MIAA EVER had a 7-0 week before?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 20, 2015, 11:43:03 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2015, 12:24:19 AM
Quote from: OC_SID on September 19, 2015, 10:39:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 19, 2015, 09:08:26 PM
The MIAA went 7-0 today!!!  I'm guessing that this has NEVER before happened - anyone know?  Seems like there is always at least one essentially unwinnable game on the schedule.

Last year, the MIAA had a 6-1 record against the NACC rivals. Kalamazoo was the only team to lose.

Granted that the MIAA has found a much worse league in the NACC.  But 6-1 is not 7-0. Has the MIAA EVER had a 7-0 week before?

Not likely in recent history since its actually pretty hard to find a weekend where all 7 teams (since Trine joined) played on the same day before these conference challenges with the NACC and CCIW.

Prior to Trine joining the league obviously the best record they could have had for about 45 years was 6-0.  You'd have to go back and look at the days Hillsdale College was part of the league, and those aren't on the internet.

So the answer is probably no with the most likely reason being they've had very chances to even go 7-0.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on September 20, 2015, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: sac on September 20, 2015, 11:43:03 AM

Not likely in recent history since its actually pretty hard to find a weekend where all 7 teams (since Trine joined) played on the same day before these conference challenges with the NACC and CCIW.

Prior to Trine joining the league obviously the best record they could have had for about 45 years was 6-0.  You'd have to go back and look at the days Hillsdale College was part of the league, and those aren't on the internet.

So the answer is probably no with the most likely reason being they've had very chances to even go 7-0.

The MIAA had 7 when Wisconsin Lutheran was in the league. And d3football.com has 8 teams when Tri-State joined from in 2007. Also, Defiance was in the league in 1999, and maybe before, but d3football.com's records only go back to 1999.

Interesting question though, can't imagine there are too many times when the entire league went undefeated.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2015, 05:26:25 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

To bring up (ugh, that is return to) our old periodic and ongoing discussion re: Eastern Michigan here and on the other boards, I noticed that EMU had a whopping just over 6400 and 4400 for their two home games so far (Old Dominion and yesterday Ball State).  They played in front of 19,000 at Wyoming last week in their big win.  Once again, that is quite embarrassing since Grand Valley and Ferris State played in front of over 16,000 last evening.  Even Central Michigan doesn't get that much all the time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 20, 2015, 05:43:26 PM
Central's attendance is generally around that 16K mark, I think, give or take a few thousand.  Not based on official figures but my guess of how full Kelly/Shorts Stadium has been at the games I have attended...capacity is listed as 30,000 and although I've not seen it filled (I made four games last year + this year's opener against Okie State), for the typical game it's at least half full (although unfortunately many students do not remain for the full game, especially if it's cold out). 

This year's opener was probably over 20K, not surprising as a Thursday-night season opener (popular among students) against a Power Five opponent.  Last year, and probably every year unless they're contending for the league title, attendance dropped off noticeably as the season went on, presumably due to a combination of colder weather + some locals perhaps more interested in staying home to watch Michigan State or UM on television if they are playing at the same time.

That's a battle that MAC (and any small Division I) schools will almost always lose.  Even people that grow up in Mount Pleasant are probably State fans or UM fans unless they are Central alums.  Unless the Chips put together a Boise State-like run it is hard to imagine that they (or any MAC school) will ever get consistent sellouts, just not going to be enough local interest.

Attendance aside, I think the Chips have good prospects this year, though.  They played very well in the opening loss to Oklahoma State (led 13-10 in early third quarter before falling 24-13), took care of business against FCS Monmouth in week 2, then lost a heartbreaker in overtime yesterday against Syracuse.  QB Cooper Rush, in his third year as a starter, has been very productive and I have high hopes that the Chips will contend for the MAC title if they play as well in conference as they have against the pair of Power Five teams that they have seen so far.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 20, 2015, 06:00:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 20, 2015, 05:26:25 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

To bring up (ugh, that is return to) our old periodic and ongoing discussion re: Eastern Michigan here and on the other boards, I noticed that EMU had a whopping just over 6400 and 4400 for their two home games so far (Old Dominion and yesterday Ball State).  They played in front of 19,000 at Wyoming last week in their big win.  Once again, that is quite embarrassing since Grand Valley and Ferris State played in front of over 16,000 last evening.  Even Central Michigan doesn't get that much all the time.

That's bad.  Really bad.  Even Akron, who finished dead last in FBS attendance last year, drew 10k more than that for their game with Savannah St. yesterday. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2015, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on September 20, 2015, 06:00:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 20, 2015, 05:26:25 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

To bring up (ugh, that is return to) our old periodic and ongoing discussion re: Eastern Michigan here and on the other boards, I noticed that EMU had a whopping just over 6400 and 4400 for their two home games so far (Old Dominion and yesterday Ball State).  They played in front of 19,000 at Wyoming last week in their big win.  Once again, that is quite embarrassing since Grand Valley and Ferris State played in front of over 16,000 last evening.  Even Central Michigan doesn't get that much all the time.

That's bad.  Really bad.  Even Akron, who finished dead last in FBS attendance last year, drew 10k more than that for their game with Savannah St. yesterday.

Those are very GOOD attendance figures for EMU (which usually is out-drawn by Hope and others).  They may have found a secret weapon - Arbor Brewing Company has a craft beer concession stand! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 20, 2015, 06:40:16 PM
Quote from: waxx on September 20, 2015, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: sac on September 20, 2015, 11:43:03 AM

Not likely in recent history since its actually pretty hard to find a weekend where all 7 teams (since Trine joined) played on the same day before these conference challenges with the NACC and CCIW.

Prior to Trine joining the league obviously the best record they could have had for about 45 years was 6-0.  You'd have to go back and look at the days Hillsdale College was part of the league, and those aren't on the internet.

So the answer is probably no with the most likely reason being they've had very chances to even go 7-0.

The MIAA had 7 when Wisconsin Lutheran was in the league. And d3football.com has 8 teams when Tri-State joined from in 2007. Also, Defiance was in the league in 1999, and maybe before, but d3football.com's records only go back to 1999.

Interesting question though, can't imagine there are too many times when the entire league went undefeated.

Yes I know all that, but the same holds true there were very few if any weekends all the leagues teams played non-conference games on the same day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 20, 2015, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 20, 2015, 05:43:26 PM
Central's attendance is generally around that 16K mark, I think, give or take a few thousand.  Not based on official figures but my guess of how full Kelly/Shorts Stadium has been at the games I have attended...capacity is listed as 30,000 and although I've not seen it filled (I made four games last year + this year's opener against Okie State), for the typical game it's at least half full (although unfortunately many students do not remain for the full game, especially if it's cold out). 

This year's opener was probably over 20K, not surprising as a Thursday-night season opener (popular among students) against a Power Five opponent.  Last year, and probably every year unless they're contending for the league title, attendance dropped off noticeably as the season went on, presumably due to a combination of colder weather + some locals perhaps more interested in staying home to watch Michigan State or UM on television if they are playing at the same time.

That's a battle that MAC (and any small Division I) schools will almost always lose.  Even people that grow up in Mount Pleasant are probably State fans or UM fans unless they are Central alums.  Unless the Chips put together a Boise State-like run it is hard to imagine that they (or any MAC school) will ever get consistent sellouts, just not going to be enough local interest.

Attendance aside, I think the Chips have good prospects this year, though.  They played very well in the opening loss to Oklahoma State (led 13-10 in early third quarter before falling 24-13), took care of business against FCS Monmouth in week 2, then lost a heartbreaker in overtime yesterday against Syracuse.  QB Cooper Rush, in his third year as a starter, has been very productive and I have high hopes that the Chips will contend for the MAC title if they play as well in conference as they have against the pair of Power Five teams that they have seen so far.

Top Ten Kelly/Shorts Stadium Crowds


   Attendance    Date    Score
1    35,127    Sept. 8, 2012    Michigan State 41, CMU 7
2    30,302    Oct. 18, 2008    CMU 38, Western Michigan 28
3    30,027    Nov. 10, 2006    CMU 31, Western Michigan 7
4    29,822    Oct. 24, 1998    CMU 26, Western Michigan 24
5    29,732    Sept. 18, 1982    Bowling Green 34, CMU 30
6    29,321    Oct. 30, 1982    CMU 42, Ohio 18
7    28,547    Oct. 17, 1982    CMU 18, Western Michigan 18
8    28,463    Sept. 22, 1984    CMU 38, Western Michigan 19
9    27,895    Oct. 8, 1994    CMU 35, Western Michigan 28
10    27,813    Oct. 11, 1986    CMU 18, Western Michigan 10

These are CMU's all-time top 10 crowds, as you can see they rarely have ever sold out their 30,000 seat stadium   Their largest crowds are almost always Western Michigan.   I seem to remember Kelly-Shorts being a little smaller in the 80's so those Western games back then might have been overflow crowds.

Back then there was a little more of a party atmosphere around the Western/Central rivalry weekends so regardless of records those games drew big crowds at both locations.  Pretty sure they had some shenanigans before and after those games involving the police.  I think administrators have cracked down on that quite a bit more recently.



It should surprise no one that Eastern Michigan doesn't exactly publish their attendance history.  Good news though Ypsi, in 2020 they'll set an all-time attendance record when Michigan State comes to town.

Eastern plays at LSU in a couple weeks, it will take EMU almost 3 full season to equal the total attendance from that one game. :-\   ........maybe 4
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 20, 2015, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: sac on September 20, 2015, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 20, 2015, 05:43:26 PM
Central's attendance is generally around that 16K mark, I think, give or take a few thousand.  Not based on official figures but my guess of how full Kelly/Shorts Stadium has been at the games I have attended...capacity is listed as 30,000 and although I've not seen it filled (I made four games last year + this year's opener against Okie State), for the typical game it's at least half full (although unfortunately many students do not remain for the full game, especially if it's cold out). 

This year's opener was probably over 20K, not surprising as a Thursday-night season opener (popular among students) against a Power Five opponent.  Last year, and probably every year unless they're contending for the league title, attendance dropped off noticeably as the season went on, presumably due to a combination of colder weather + some locals perhaps more interested in staying home to watch Michigan State or UM on television if they are playing at the same time.

That's a battle that MAC (and any small Division I) schools will almost always lose.  Even people that grow up in Mount Pleasant are probably State fans or UM fans unless they are Central alums.  Unless the Chips put together a Boise State-like run it is hard to imagine that they (or any MAC school) will ever get consistent sellouts, just not going to be enough local interest.

Attendance aside, I think the Chips have good prospects this year, though.  They played very well in the opening loss to Oklahoma State (led 13-10 in early third quarter before falling 24-13), took care of business against FCS Monmouth in week 2, then lost a heartbreaker in overtime yesterday against Syracuse.  QB Cooper Rush, in his third year as a starter, has been very productive and I have high hopes that the Chips will contend for the MAC title if they play as well in conference as they have against the pair of Power Five teams that they have seen so far.

Top Ten Kelly/Shorts Stadium Crowds


   Attendance    Date    Score
1    35,127    Sept. 8, 2012    Michigan State 41, CMU 7
2    30,302    Oct. 18, 2008    CMU 38, Western Michigan 28
3    30,027    Nov. 10, 2006    CMU 31, Western Michigan 7
4    29,822    Oct. 24, 1998    CMU 26, Western Michigan 24
5    29,732    Sept. 18, 1982    Bowling Green 34, CMU 30
6    29,321    Oct. 30, 1982    CMU 42, Ohio 18
7    28,547    Oct. 17, 1982    CMU 18, Western Michigan 18
8    28,463    Sept. 22, 1984    CMU 38, Western Michigan 19
9    27,895    Oct. 8, 1994    CMU 35, Western Michigan 28
10    27,813    Oct. 11, 1986    CMU 18, Western Michigan 10

These are CMU's all-time top 10 crowds, as you can see they rarely have ever sold out their 30,000 seat stadium   Their largest crowds are almost always Western Michigan.   I seem to remember Kelly-Shorts being a little smaller in the 80's so those Western games back then might have been overflow crowds.

Back then there was a little more of a party atmosphere around the Western/Central rivalry weekends so regardless of records those games drew big crowds at both locations.  Pretty sure they had some shenanigans before and after those games involving the police.  I think administrators have cracked down on that quite a bit more recently.



It should surprise no one that Eastern Michigan doesn't exactly publish their attendance history.  Good news though Ypsi, in 2020 they'll set an all-time attendance record when Michigan State comes to town.

Eastern plays at LSU in a couple weeks, it will take EMU almost 3 full season to equal the total attendance from that one game. :-\   ........maybe 4

sac, ExTartan, Dr. Acula, Mr. Ypsi:

Great discussion guys and thanks for the follow-up.  You guys have been to several of those games over the years, so you know what the atmosphere is like.  Indeed, Kelly-Shorts Stadium was expanded several years ago, so those Central/Western annual rivalry games were pretty much capacity.  I've been to one of those and that rivalry has been described by alumni from both schools as their top one and comparable to the U of Mich/Michigan State one and, if I may say, Albion/Hope.  I also know a little of that in regards to having several friends/former h.s. teammates who played at CMU. 

That said, I've always been somewhat disappointed and puzzled (although not so much the latter) as to why Central cannot fill their stadium at least for their first season opening home game.  They have scheduled some very high or higher tier DI FBS opponents for that the past few years, such as Boston College, Navy and, of course, Oklahoma State- and none of those came even close to a capacity crowd.  That is a shame.  You have pointed out some of the reason for that in being the MSU and/or U of M games and so many fans/alumni in the region and that is legit.  Another reason is that it being Labor Day weekend, many of the students who would go to the game have other plans for the "last hurrah" of the summer so to speak.  However, that game is scheduled on Thurs nights and one would think it would be in the high 20,000s or near full especially for a team like Oklahoma State and Boston College.

CMU-and most of the other MAC teams, but CMU especially-has proclaimed they are in the same tier as those teams and that has been the plan and an admirable goal. Yet, while the latter is true, in reality we know that is not nor ever will be.  They will win an occasional game like that (and have) like all the MAC teams have-remember the CMU upsets of Michigan State, which MSU fans were truly shocked and those were very good MSU teams.  But again, IMO, an Oklahoma State or BC coming to Mt. Pleasant should fill that stadium. CMU's attendance for the opener this year for Oklahoma State was only 19,717.  They drew 21, 717 for FCS Monmouth the following week.   Even Buffalo in the MAC averaged (and legitimately) over 20,000 for home games last year (or very near it).

Regarding attendance, Hope's two home games have been well down in numbers so far this year as many of the other MIAA members have fared much better.  We had under 2,000 this past weekend and moderately over that two weeks ago for the season opening game.  Not surprising given the current play that has been going on, although certainly getting the first win yesterday was a huge positive.  Still need to work on tackling improvement, making catches that should be caught, some improved passing accuracy by our senior QB and our kicking game needs to regain that automatic confidence.  Missing some FG's and extra points like yesterday could be costly in the MIAA games and cost a chance at the AQ in those game if they are close. 

Anyway, thanks again all.  I really enjoy these attendance discussions as I enjoy looking at that and perusing the figures at all the NCAA levels for the various "lesser limelight" teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
Please forgive my late entry to the CMU attendance party but obliged to share a couple thoughts as well.  I spent three years at Central (two in Mt P during gridiron season) during the glory days of the mid-70s when Kelly/Shorts seated about 19.5K and Rose Arena about 6500 (not much capacity considering the quality of the basketball team with future NBA'ers, McElroy, Roundfield, and Poquette).  With few exceptions, the stadium was packed during those years and often the overflow area on the hill as well (yes, prior to expansion).  Of course, it didn't hurt that the gridders had just iced the DII championship the previous year, either.  I know former3db had a couple of his high school cronies from Flint (uh, Carmen?) on that club... ;)

I was in Mt Pleasant at the end of August for the rugby club's 40th anniversary and alumni weekend.  Bear in mind, this is a selective observation but so many are constantly glued to their personal technology.  I wonder if all these video feeds, while nice for alumni, may not make it "too convenient" for students on campus to pitch camp in their apartment or a local pub and tweet away rather than attend?  I guess I'm becoming a curmudgeon to match my Luddite mentality of ditching the 24/7 routine in retirement, but many of the current student body seem more focused on "getting pie-eyed on substance of choice"  rather than choose doing something substantive. 

An interesting point I learned over "Welcome Weekend" in an effort to raise student interest in football, the athletic department has discouraged (and in some cases, "banned") any other home sporting events on the day (not just the time) as Chippewa home football.  Will it have any effect?  We usually scheduled our matches for the morning of home games, had our opponents join us at Kelly/Shorts afterward before retiring for the "Third Half." Western and MSU returned the favor when they hosted at Waldo or Spartan stadiums, respectively, for several years.  My simple math skills dictate a two hundred person swing, minimally, in prospective gate receipts though that was just our lowly batch of mongrels and pitch hags.  ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 21, 2015, 01:07:53 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
Please forgive my late entry to the CMU attendance party but obliged to share a couple thoughts as well.  I spent three years at Central (two in Mt P during gridiron season) during the glory days of the mid-70s when Kelly/Shorts seated about 19.5K and Rose Arena about 6500 (not much capacity considering the quality of the basketball team with future NBA'ers, McElroy, Roundfield, and Poquette).  With few exceptions, the stadium was packed during those years and often the overflow area on the hill as well (yes, prior to expansion).  Of course, it didn't hurt that the gridders had just iced the DII championship the previous year, either.  I know former3db had a couple of his high school cronies from Flint (uh, Carmen?) on that club... ;)

I was in Mt Pleasant at the end of August for the rugby club's 40th anniversary and alumni weekend.  Bear in mind, this is a selective observation but so many are constantly glued to their personal technology.  I wonder if all these video feeds, while nice for alumni, may not make it "too convenient" for students on campus to pitch camp in their apartment or a local pub and tweet away rather than attend?  I guess I'm becoming a curmudgeon to match my Luddite mentality of ditching the 24/7 routine in retirement, but many of the current student body seem more focused on "getting pie-eyed on substance of choice"  rather than choose doing something substantive. 

An interesting point I learned over "Welcome Weekend" in an effort to raise student interest in football, the athletic department has discouraged (and in some cases, "banned") any other home sporting events on the day (not just the time) as Chippewa home football.  Will it have any effect?  We usually scheduled our matches for the morning of home games, had our opponents join us at Kelly/Shorts afterward before retiring for the "Third Half." Western and MSU returned the favor when they hosted at Waldo or Spartan stadiums, respectively, for several years.  My simple math skills dictate a two hundred person swing, minimally, in prospective gate receipts though that was just our lowly batch of mongrels and pitch hags.  ;D

Two interesting points raised (or re-raised):

1. Does live-streaming hurt attendance?  I'm thinking no, except perhaps for rainy, snowy, bitterly cold days - otherwise the live experience at the stadium is so superior to the internet that I doubt many who would stay away would have gone anyway (and many who can't realistically attend in person will be grateful, and might even donate to the school).

2. Having other sports play the same day?  I'm thinking like cave2bens - on most campuses, football is so dominantly the fall sport, that others playing at the same time would be suicidal for their attendance, but playing before or after the football game is likely to be a plus for the reasons he stated.  Athletes generally support other athletes (and often fans of one sport are fans of other sports).  I suspect that CMU has chosen a losing strategy.  (Perhaps they should emulate EMU's welcoming of an Arbor Brewing Company craft beer concession - I notice that there is a Mt Pleasant Brewery, though I'm unfamiliar with their products.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 01:43:14 AM
Uh, the beers leave a lot to be desired compared to some of your local brewers around Detroit and the bigger ones like Founder's, Bell's, and Short's, Sir.   :P  I wanted to like them, but alas, a couple were comparable to the aardvark p**s we were forced to consume in Africa. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 21, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 21, 2015, 01:07:53 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
Please forgive my late entry to the CMU attendance party but obliged to share a couple thoughts as well.  I spent three years at Central (two in Mt P during gridiron season) during the glory days of the mid-70s when Kelly/Shorts seated about 19.5K and Rose Arena about 6500 (not much capacity considering the quality of the basketball team with future NBA'ers, McElroy, Roundfield, and Poquette).  With few exceptions, the stadium was packed during those years and often the overflow area on the hill as well (yes, prior to expansion).  Of course, it didn't hurt that the gridders had just iced the DII championship the previous year, either.  I know former3db had a couple of his high school cronies from Flint (uh, Carmen?) on that club... ;)

I was in Mt Pleasant at the end of August for the rugby club's 40th anniversary and alumni weekend.  Bear in mind, this is a selective observation but so many are constantly glued to their personal technology.  I wonder if all these video feeds, while nice for alumni, may not make it "too convenient" for students on campus to pitch camp in their apartment or a local pub and tweet away rather than attend?  I guess I'm becoming a curmudgeon to match my Luddite mentality of ditching the 24/7 routine in retirement, but many of the current student body seem more focused on "getting pie-eyed on substance of choice"  rather than choose doing something substantive. 

An interesting point I learned over "Welcome Weekend" in an effort to raise student interest in football, the athletic department has discouraged (and in some cases, "banned") any other home sporting events on the day (not just the time) as Chippewa home football.  Will it have any effect?  We usually scheduled our matches for the morning of home games, had our opponents join us at Kelly/Shorts afterward before retiring for the "Third Half." Western and MSU returned the favor when they hosted at Waldo or Spartan stadiums, respectively, for several years.  My simple math skills dictate a two hundred person swing, minimally, in prospective gate receipts though that was just our lowly batch of mongrels and pitch hags.  ;D

Two interesting points raised (or re-raised):

1. Does live-streaming hurt attendance?  I'm thinking no, except perhaps for rainy, snowy, bitterly cold days - otherwise the live experience at the stadium is so superior to the internet that I doubt many who would stay away would have gone anyway (and many who can't realistically attend in person will be grateful, and might even donate to the school).

2. Having other sports play the same day?  I'm thinking like cave2bens - on most campuses, football is so dominantly the fall sport, that others playing at the same time would be suicidal for their attendance, but playing before or after the football game is likely to be a plus for the reasons he stated.  Athletes generally support other athletes (and often fans of one sport are fans of other sports).  I suspect that CMU has chosen a losing strategy.  (Perhaps they should emulate EMU's welcoming of an Arbor Brewing Company craft beer concession - I notice that there is a Mt Pleasant Brewery, though I'm unfamiliar with their products.)

I don't think the live-streaming would really hurt attendance at Central.  Same rationale that you used - alums from afar who want to watch may be able to tune in, and I don't imagine that there are many "locals" who would choose to stay at home and watch instead of coming to the stadium.  I think this is a real thing the NFL may have to worry about - fans passing up $150 tickets because it's more fun to stay home and watch on TV while following all of your fantasy teams - but not MAC schools.  Anybody who's staying home to skip the game isn't doing it because they want to stream the game at home, they're staying home because Michigan State is playing at the same time and they want to see that game instead.

I do think (and this is true on every campus of schools outside the Power Five) that some students are apathetic about Central sports because they just don't consider them "big time" enough.  I was at the Okie State game and overheard several students walking out of the game (before it was over!) commenting sardonically about how Central football wasn't any good.  I just wanted to shake them - here was your team giving a Big 12 opponent all they wanted in the opener and you're complaining that they're not any good!  You guys have a team that might contend for the MAC championship!

Of course, as a D3 player it's a lot easier for defend the level of competition overall, but I just get so aggravated when people say their D1 team "sucks" - I mean, probably every player on that Central sideline was the best player on his high school team!  Some of them might play in the NFL!  Your team doesn't "suck" just because they aren't in the SEC or Big Ten.  Ugh.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 21, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
Albion leads all of D3 in total offense with 662.3 yards per game.  (2nd only to Baylor in all of NCAA football)

4th in rushing yds. per game  357yds
4th in scoring per game  57.3pts
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 21, 2015, 07:19:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 21, 2015, 01:07:53 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
Please forgive my late entry to the CMU attendance party but obliged to share a couple thoughts as well.  I spent three years at Central (two in Mt P during gridiron season) during the glory days of the mid-70s when Kelly/Shorts seated about 19.5K and Rose Arena about 6500 (not much capacity considering the quality of the basketball team with future NBA'ers, McElroy, Roundfield, and Poquette).  With few exceptions, the stadium was packed during those years and often the overflow area on the hill as well (yes, prior to expansion).  Of course, it didn't hurt that the gridders had just iced the DII championship the previous year, either.  I know former3db had a couple of his high school cronies from Flint (uh, Carmen?) on that club... ;)

I was in Mt Pleasant at the end of August for the rugby club's 40th anniversary and alumni weekend.  Bear in mind, this is a selective observation but so many are constantly glued to their personal technology.  I wonder if all these video feeds, while nice for alumni, may not make it "too convenient" for students on campus to pitch camp in their apartment or a local pub and tweet away rather than attend?  I guess I'm becoming a curmudgeon to match my Luddite mentality of ditching the 24/7 routine in retirement, but many of the current student body seem more focused on "getting pie-eyed on substance of choice"  rather than choose doing something substantive. 

An interesting point I learned over "Welcome Weekend" in an effort to raise student interest in football, the athletic department has discouraged (and in some cases, "banned") any other home sporting events on the day (not just the time) as Chippewa home football.  Will it have any effect?  We usually scheduled our matches for the morning of home games, had our opponents join us at Kelly/Shorts afterward before retiring for the "Third Half." Western and MSU returned the favor when they hosted at Waldo or Spartan stadiums, respectively, for several years.  My simple math skills dictate a two hundred person swing, minimally, in prospective gate receipts though that was just our lowly batch of mongrels and pitch hags.  ;D

Two interesting points raised (or re-raised):

1. Does live-streaming hurt attendance?  I'm thinking no, except perhaps for rainy, snowy, bitterly cold days - otherwise the live experience at the stadium is so superior to the internet that I doubt many who would stay away would have gone anyway (and many who can't realistically attend in person will be grateful, and might even donate to the school).

2. Having other sports play the same day?  I'm thinking like cave2bens - on most campuses, football is so dominantly the fall sport, that others playing at the same time would be suicidal for their attendance, but playing before or after the football game is likely to be a plus for the reasons he stated.  Athletes generally support other athletes (and often fans of one sport are fans of other sports).  I suspect that CMU has chosen a losing strategy.  (Perhaps they should emulate EMU's welcoming of an Arbor Brewing Company craft beer concession - I notice that there is a Mt Pleasant Brewery, though I'm unfamiliar with their products.)

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 21, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 21, 2015, 01:07:53 AM
Quote from: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
Please forgive my late entry to the CMU attendance party but obliged to share a couple thoughts as well.  I spent three years at Central (two in Mt P during gridiron season) during the glory days of the mid-70s when Kelly/Shorts seated about 19.5K and Rose Arena about 6500 (not much capacity considering the quality of the basketball team with future NBA'ers, McElroy, Roundfield, and Poquette).  With few exceptions, the stadium was packed during those years and often the overflow area on the hill as well (yes, prior to expansion).  Of course, it didn't hurt that the gridders had just iced the DII championship the previous year, either.  I know former3db had a couple of his high school cronies from Flint (uh, Carmen?) on that club... ;)

I was in Mt Pleasant at the end of August for the rugby club's 40th anniversary and alumni weekend.  Bear in mind, this is a selective observation but so many are constantly glued to their personal technology.  I wonder if all these video feeds, while nice for alumni, may not make it "too convenient" for students on campus to pitch camp in their apartment or a local pub and tweet away rather than attend?  I guess I'm becoming a curmudgeon to match my Luddite mentality of ditching the 24/7 routine in retirement, but many of the current student body seem more focused on "getting pie-eyed on substance of choice"  rather than choose doing something substantive. 

An interesting point I learned over "Welcome Weekend" in an effort to raise student interest in football, the athletic department has discouraged (and in some cases, "banned") any other home sporting events on the day (not just the time) as Chippewa home football.  Will it have any effect?  We usually scheduled our matches for the morning of home games, had our opponents join us at Kelly/Shorts afterward before retiring for the "Third Half." Western and MSU returned the favor when they hosted at Waldo or Spartan stadiums, respectively, for several years.  My simple math skills dictate a two hundred person swing, minimally, in prospective gate receipts though that was just our lowly batch of mongrels and pitch hags.  ;D

Two interesting points raised (or re-raised):

1. Does live-streaming hurt attendance?  I'm thinking no, except perhaps for rainy, snowy, bitterly cold days - otherwise the live experience at the stadium is so superior to the internet that I doubt many who would stay away would have gone anyway (and many who can't realistically attend in person will be grateful, and might even donate to the school).

2. Having other sports play the same day?  I'm thinking like cave2bens - on most campuses, football is so dominantly the fall sport, that others playing at the same time would be suicidal for their attendance, but playing before or after the football game is likely to be a plus for the reasons he stated.  Athletes generally support other athletes (and often fans of one sport are fans of other sports).  I suspect that CMU has chosen a losing strategy.  (Perhaps they should emulate EMU's welcoming of an Arbor Brewing Company craft beer concession - I notice that there is a Mt Pleasant Brewery, though I'm unfamiliar with their products.)

I don't think the live-streaming would really hurt attendance at Central.  Same rationale that you used - alums from afar who want to watch may be able to tune in, and I don't imagine that there are many "locals" who would choose to stay at home and watch instead of coming to the stadium.  I think this is a real thing the NFL may have to worry about - fans passing up $150 tickets because it's more fun to stay home and watch on TV while following all of your fantasy teams - but not MAC schools.  Anybody who's staying home to skip the game isn't doing it because they want to stream the game at home, they're staying home because Michigan State is playing at the same time and they want to see that game instead.

I do think (and this is true on every campus of schools outside the Power Five) that some students are apathetic about Central sports because they just don't consider them "big time" enough.  I was at the Okie State game and overheard several students walking out of the game (before it was over!) commenting sardonically about how Central football wasn't any good.  I just wanted to shake them - here was your team giving a Big 12 opponent all they wanted in the opener and you're complaining that they're not any good!  You guys have a team that might contend for the MAC championship!

Of course, as a D3 player it's a lot easier for defend the level of competition overall, but I just get so aggravated when people say their D1 team "sucks" - I mean, probably every player on that Central sideline was the best player on his high school team!  Some of them might play in the NFL!  Your team doesn't "suck" just because they aren't in the SEC or Big Ten.  Ugh.
Quote from: cave2bens on September 21, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
Please forgive my late entry to the CMU attendance party but obliged to share a couple thoughts as well.  I spent three years at Central (two in Mt P during gridiron season) during the glory days of the mid-70s when Kelly/Shorts seated about 19.5K and Rose Arena about 6500 (not much capacity considering the quality of the basketball team with future NBA'ers, McElroy, Roundfield, and Poquette).  With few exceptions, the stadium was packed during those years and often the overflow area on the hill as well (yes, prior to expansion).  Of course, it didn't hurt that the gridders had just iced the DII championship the previous year, either.  I know former3db had a couple of his high school cronies from Flint (uh, Carmen?) on that club... ;)

I was in Mt Pleasant at the end of August for the rugby club's 40th anniversary and alumni weekend.  Bear in mind, this is a selective observation but so many are constantly glued to their personal technology.  I wonder if all these video feeds, while nice for alumni, may not make it "too convenient" for students on campus to pitch camp in their apartment or a local pub and tweet away rather than attend?  I guess I'm becoming a curmudgeon to match my Luddite mentality of ditching the 24/7 routine in retirement, but many of the current student body seem more focused on "getting pie-eyed on substance of choice"  rather than choose doing something substantive. 

An interesting point I learned over "Welcome Weekend" in an effort to raise student interest in football, the athletic department has discouraged (and in some cases, "banned") any other home sporting events on the day (not just the time) as Chippewa home football.  Will it have any effect?  We usually scheduled our matches for the morning of home games, had our opponents join us at Kelly/Shorts afterward before retiring for the "Third Half." Western and MSU returned the favor when they hosted at Waldo or Spartan stadiums, respectively, for several years.  My simple math skills dictate a two hundred person swing, minimally, in prospective gate receipts though that was just our lowly batch of mongrels and pitch hags.  ;D

Excellent points all, gentlemen.  I agree with you (and cave2bens levity is always enjoyed and appreciated! ;D :)).  I also agree with the point about not scheduling other home games for sports on campus the same day (regardless of having it at a different time).  Even though it is at the DIII level, I personally do think that affects attendance-actually I know because it happened this past weekend at Hope with a home women's soccer game.  I know there would have been more attendance at the football game-we had only 1,300 and that was pathetic (although, again, our record and play up to then was not great). Realizing that out of necessity or convenience (and/or perceived or for both), that some schools have to do that, however, again, I do believe the effects are negative.  +k for all of you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 21, 2015, 08:22:47 PM
cave2bens:

P.S.  You are right re: some of my former h.s. teammates on the Central DII National Championship team! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 21, 2015, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: sac on September 21, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
Albion leads all of D3 in total offense with 662.3 yards per game.  (2nd only to Baylor in all of NCAA football)

4th in rushing yds. per game  357yds
4th in scoring per game  57.3pts

Great accomplishments so far, however, we'll see how well that holds when they really start playing some better teams soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 21, 2015, 09:32:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2015, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: sac on September 21, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
Albion leads all of D3 in total offense with 662.3 yards per game.  (2nd only to Baylor in all of NCAA football)

4th in rushing yds. per game  357yds
4th in scoring per game  57.3pts

Great accomplishments so far, however, we'll see how well that holds when they really start playing some better teams soon.

former3db,

I am rooting for my other alma mater CMU!!!!!  Looks like a good race for the MIAA title, who do like thus far?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 21, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2015, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: sac on September 21, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
Albion leads all of D3 in total offense with 662.3 yards per game.  (2nd only to Baylor in all of NCAA football)

4th in rushing yds. per game  357yds
4th in scoring per game  57.3pts

Great accomplishments so far, however, we'll see how well that holds when they really start playing some better teams soon.


Not sure about better,  I only saw 2 MIAA defenses in the top 100.  Olivet and Trine I think.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 22, 2015, 04:38:12 PM
Quote from: sac on September 21, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 21, 2015, 08:24:24 PM
Quote from: sac on September 21, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
Albion leads all of D3 in total offense with 662.3 yards per game.  (2nd only to Baylor in all of NCAA football)

4th in rushing yds. per game  357yds
4th in scoring per game  57.3pts

Great accomplishments so far, however, we'll see how well that holds when they really start playing some better teams soon.


Not sure about better,  I only saw 2 MIAA defenses in the top 100.  Olivet and Trine I think.



I'm not looking at the numbers, sac.  As you know, sometimes, those mean nothing.  It depends on the competition one is playing and, IMO, Albion's opponents so far are no powerhouses, although you could say that about the others you mentioned as well.  That said, what I'm referring to is who in our league, right now, is perceived realistically as having the better chance/talent (not taking the stats into consideration) that is going to be the tough games i.e. must wins.  I'm sure most all of us agree that it is going to be Albion, Trine, Olivet and Adrian who are the title contenders with Hope being a spoiler.  Although who knows, Hope could pull a surprise.  We'll know on 10/03 obviously.  If Hope upsets Albion and plays well, that would be a "changer", at least temporarily. 

But then, we all know it's always been that way in the MIAA. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 28, 2015, 10:55:46 PM
This may or may not have been mentioned or discussed before, and if it has, my apologies for a "repeat".  Anyway, since it was discussed and many amazed that the MIAA went 7-0 the other weekend and no one sure if that ever happened at any time before, regardless of whether it involved these more modern era "challenge series" with the other leagues, I thought I would mention this other topic.  I missed paying attention to this before, yet I was surprised to see that all the MIAA fooball teams had their "bye" weekends this past weekend.  Not sure if that has happened before either.  Not that it matters and is no big deal, however, I just thought that was a unique situation and interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 28, 2015, 11:27:30 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 28, 2015, 10:55:46 PM
This may or may not have been mentioned or discussed before, and if it has, my apologies for a "repeat".  Anyway, since it was discussed and many amazed that the MIAA went 7-0 the other weekend and no one sure if that ever happened at any time before, regardless of whether it involved these more modern era "challenge series" with the other leagues, I thought I would mention this other topic.  I missed paying attention to this before, yet I was surprised to see that all the MIAA fooball teams had their "bye" weekends this past weekend.  Not sure if that has happened before either.  Not that it matters and is no big deal, however, I just thought that was a unique situation and interesting.

Todd, I mentioned somewhere (MIAA Pickems?) that this would be the first time ever that the MIAA went undefeated for two straight weeks in September.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 29, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
The whole league took their bye week on Sept 27 last Fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 29, 2015, 06:33:42 PM
Chuck:

I inadvertently missed/overlooked the part where you mentioned about two weeks in a row-guess I was concentrating on the part abut the teams all winning the games they actually played on the same day!  Thanks for the follow-up and reminder!

sac:  I missed that last year as well for some reason; guess I mainly concentrate on Hope's own "bye" dates.  However, I assumed that the reason for the all inclusive "byes" was due to the challenge series scenarios, which obviously applies to last year as well.  I have since found out from "sources who know" (who I will not name for obvious reasons ;)) that the coaches would have preferred the "byes" to be a little later in the year as those traditionally/historically have been in the past when schools ended up having a "bye" for some reason or another and even if those had to be (or could have been if possible) staggered.  However, the "decision makers" in the MIAA decided otherwise and thus, the current scenario, which was probably easier to do it that way, due to the uneven # of teams involved in the challenge series with the leagues involved.  Thanks to you also for the follow-up and reminder!

Raider68:  Apologies for this really late reply.  Right now I see (and this is obvious to most everyone else as well I'm sure), I see the favorites as Adrian, Olivet, Albion and Trine.  This likely will be weeded out more after this upcoming Saturday, however, as you know, the MIAA race often isn't decided among 2-3 teams until the last part of the season as some team always surprises someone and/or ends up being "the spoiler". 

As to your own league, some interesting results so far, with the exception of your Mount again on its way to another title I do not doubt!  Hope you are doing well.
.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 30, 2015, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 29, 2015, 06:33:42 PM
Chuck:

I inadvertently missed/overlooked the part where you mentioned about two weeks in a row-guess I was concentrating on the part abut the teams all winning the games they actually played on the same day!  Thanks for the follow-up and reminder!

sac:  I missed that last year as well for some reason; guess I mainly concentrate on Hope's own "bye" dates.  However, I assumed that the reason for the all inclusive "byes" was due to the challenge series scenarios, which obviously applies to last year as well.  I have since found out from "sources who know" (who I will not name for obvious reasons ;)) that the coaches would have preferred the "byes" to be a little later in the year as those traditionally/historically have been in the past when schools ended up having a "bye" for some reason or another and even if those had to be (or could have been if possible) staggered.  However, the "decision makers" in the MIAA decided otherwise and thus, the current scenario, which was probably easier to do it that way, due to the uneven # of teams involved in the challenge series with the leagues involved.  Thanks to you also for the follow-up and reminder!

Raider68:  Apologies for this really late reply.  Right now I see (and this is obvious to most everyone else as well I'm sure), I see the favorites as Adrian, Olivet, Albion and Trine.  This likely will be weeded out more after this upcoming Saturday, however, as you know, the MIAA race often isn't decided among 2-3 teams until the last part of the season as some team always surprises someone and/or ends up being "the spoiler". 

As to your own league, some interesting results so far, with the exception of your Mount again on its way to another title I do not doubt!  Hope you are doing well.
.

formers3db,

Hope you are well!. IMHO, I think the winner of the Adrian/Olivet will win the conference, with Albion in the mix. I do not think
Trine has shown as much as the others, but we will see.

Regarding the Raiders, the strength of the team is defense, no points through 3 games. For the offense averaging 54 pts per
game is not bad start. John Carroll, although good this year, is not quite up to last year's team. So it comes down to the playoffs which are a ways away.

Where do you see Hope in the mix for this fall?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2015, 04:55:12 PM
Raider68:

The real test for Hope, IMO, will be this weekend.  If we can beat Albion, I think we'll be right there for a high chance at the title.  However, as you said, the other favorites would be Adrian and Olivet, which we obviously would need to beat, which will be no easy task.  And although Trine hasn't been nearly as strong as they had been during their recent title run years, they play tough against Hope and that is "no gimme". 

Again, personally, I see the key being this Saturday for Hope.  It will show us really where we rate, especially against our most heated rivalry in football.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 03, 2015, 07:42:09 PM
Hope scores with :16 seconds left, tries for 2 and fails.

Albion 21  Hope 20  F
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2015, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: sac on October 03, 2015, 07:42:09 PM
Hope scores with :16 seconds left, tries for 2 and fails.

Albion 21  Hope 20  F

Have held off a few days before posting to collect my thoughts after the disappointing loss.  I'm sure people will (have) question(ed) the decision to go for two.  However, while I usually am conservative and would go for the tie with the additional chance to win it in OT, I agree with Coach Krep's decision to go for two.  "We play to win" was his quote and IMO, that is a great one.  Given that our kicker has not performed up to his ability of recent in the last couple of games, having missed a FG earlier in the Albion game and our PAT team having some difficulties, the decision was the right one.  Unfortunately, it was not a well executed play. 

Hope had their chance for the upset.  IF we had made the FG, we win the game...IF the TD run on the kick return had not been called back  due to two holding calls (questionable IMO from my view location, although I have not seen the tape), we win the game...IF we had scored when on Albion's 12 yard line earlier, we win the game...IF, IF, IF.  But that never counts as we all know.

Overall, I think it was a pretty good game.  First half stats Hope was double what Albion had as I recall.  The weather was terrible, of course, with steady rain, winds and cold.  Had the usual game time start been scheduled at 1 PM instead of the "twilight game" at 5 PM, we would have missed the rain.  Perhaps that made a more even matched contest for either team.  Anyway, a disappointing loss, but a good effort by Hope's players, who despite some missed opportunities and mistakes, never gave up.  Regroup now for the remaining games and try to sneak it in there.  As I previous mentioned (?predicted ::) ;)), it appears that Olivet and Albion will be the headliners fo the title, well...at least they are for now, but anything can still happen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 07, 2015, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 06, 2015, 06:57:33 PM

Hope had their chance for the upset.  IF we had made the FG, we win the game...IF the TD run on the kick return had not been called back  due to two holding calls (questionable IMO from my view location, although I have not seen the tape), we win the game...IF we had scored when on Albion's 12 yard line earlier, we win the game...IF, IF, IF.  But that never counts as we all know.


I didn't see the game so I can't answer the question but the IF thing always gets me.  Isn't it possible that Albion also had their fair share of IF's and IF something on their side of the equation had happened Hope wouldn't have been in the game regardless.  My experience suggests that IF is generally a two way street.

BTW, I've been to Holland twice and really enjoyed my time there.  Your campus is really nice and your basketball facility is the best I know of in DIII.  I met some really nice people and the tire store that fixed not one but two flat tires for me at no charge blew me away.  The heated sidewalks are pretty cool too.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 07, 2015, 03:33:36 PM
Albion had 3 turnovers to Hope's one, including one at the Hope 15 yard line.  So yes, Albion had its "ifs".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 07, 2015, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: sac on October 07, 2015, 03:33:36 PM
Albion had 3 turnovers to Hope's one, including one at the Hope 15 yard line.  So yes, Albion had its "ifs".
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 07, 2015, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 06, 2015, 06:57:33 PM

Hope had their chance for the upset.  IF we had made the FG, we win the game...IF the TD run on the kick return had not been called back  due to two holding calls (questionable IMO from my view location, although I have not seen the tape), we win the game...IF we had scored when on Albion's 12 yard line earlier, we win the game...IF, IF, IF.  But that never counts as we all know.


I didn't see the game so I can't answer the question but the IF thing always gets me.  Isn't it possible that Albion also had their fair share of IF's and IF something on their side of the equation had happened Hope wouldn't have been in the game regardless.  My experience suggests that IF is generally a two way street.

BTW, I've been to Holland twice and really enjoyed my time there.  Your campus is really nice and your basketball facility is the best I know of in DIII.  I met some really nice people and the tire store that fixed not one but two flat tires for me at no charge blew me away.  The heated sidewalks are pretty cool too.

badgerwarhawk:

First, thanks for your kind comments about our campus and facilities.  Indeed, we are fortunate to have those great entities.

Second, I did not mean to imply that Albion did not have their IFs because as sac mentioned, they did have their chances.  I was simply noting where Hope blew their chances.  I agree with you that IFs almost always (note keyword "almost" ;D) go both ways.

Enjoy your posts and thanks for chiming in here on occasion-we (MIAA board) can use the help! :)  Not sure why our board has been almost non-existence this year. ??? ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 18, 2015, 01:10:01 PM
Albion recovers a fumble with Adrian inside the 15 to hang on for the win.

Olivet scores twice in the final 2 minutes to beat Hope which included executing an onside kick and picking off Hope's last ditch effort in the endzone.

Albion plays Trine next week, win that and sets up a likely winner take all the next week between Albion and Olivet.

Not the best D3 league but never short of drama
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 24, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
Trine 55 Albion 51

Trine comes from 17 down with 6:12 to play to win at Albion. 4th quarter was a little crazy http://miaa.org/sports/fball/2015-16/boxscores/20151024_nz66.xml?view=plays#qtr4

Olivet now leads the league by itself, a win next week over Albion would seal the MIAA auto-bid with just one remaining games with Alma.  Olivet would own all the tie breakers if they beat Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2015, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: sac on October 24, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
Trine 55 Albion 51

Trine comes from 17 down with 6:12 to play to win at Albion. 4th quarter was a little crazy http://miaa.org/sports/fball/2015-16/boxscores/20151024_nz66.xml?view=plays#qtr4

Olivet now leads the league by itself, a win next week over Albion would seal the MIAA auto-bid with just one remaining games with Alma.  Olivet would own all the tie breakers if they beat Albion.

Indeed, Olivet is in control of its own destiny now.  If they don't blow it, that would be a tremendous accomplishment, a huge turnaround, and I dare say, perhaps, one of the biggest accomplishments in the storied history of their program.  If they do beat Albion, it will still be tough.  It will be even tougher to go undefeated in the regular season, however, can you (any of us) imagine if they did?   On the other hand, if they lose to Albion, then theoretically, they could still get the AQ provided Alma pulling an upset against Albion, presuming Olivet wins out thereafter.  After seeing Alma play last night against us (and seeing Albion against us as well as taking into consideration how Albion has been playing of recent), I think that is not impossible.  Will be difficult, but not impossible.  All that said, the MIAA race could still come down to a wild finish, and as we all know, that would be in keeping with its tradition/history of how that has often happened.

Speaking of Alma, for us at Hope, last night's game was a disappointing loss, and even a more so since it ruined Homecoming. It also wasn't as fun because of another lousy wet, rainy night game, similar to 3 weeks ago at home against Albion. Despite the poor weather, there was a decent crowd of 2533 , although certainly not anything like we used to have in the "seemingly now long-ago" past at a Homecoming in the 4400-4500+ range.  Of course, Hope has not been playing well, along with the season record, those aspects contributing to that.   Although the running game has been solid (and the kicking game better), overall play has been too inconsistent; poor receiving, fair passing, poor tackling, poor blocking and poor pass coverage. I also, unfortunately, sense a depressed attitude in the players.  Understandable, however, as Coach Kreps challenged them last night after the game, they need to step it up and bring their "A" game everyday at practice and the remaining three games to prevent it (the season) from slipping away totally.  Here's hoping for us Hope alum and fans(no pun intended) they are up to the challenge and the latter does not happen.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2015, 10:33:43 AM
Glad to see Trine pull off the win.  I am hoping with a strong finish, and a lot of upsets along the way, Trine can still sneak in.   ;)  But I realize a lot of bounces will have to go their way. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: former comet on October 28, 2015, 07:12:00 PM
Looking at stats alone my Comets should roll. I just don't see the Albion defense slowing down the potent Comet offense especially on the ground. Obviously Albion is going to put up their points but I think that the defense for the comets is going to to slow them down, 52-35 Comets.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 31, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
Adrian 14 Hope  3   --All that's left is the shoes really


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 31, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
Albion 49 Olivet 21
Trine 27 Kzoo 25

3-way tie at the top and I have no idea how that gets broken for the MIAA auto-bid if it stays this way.

Remaining games:
Trine has Hope and  @Adrian
Albion host Alma next week
Olivet @ Alma the final week

Should someone lose   Albion over Olivet, Trine over Albion, Olivet over Trine are the tie-breakers in a two-way tie.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2015, 04:11:32 PM
Quote from: sac on October 31, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
Adrian 14 Hope  3   --All that's left is the shoes really

Unfortunately, yes.  Very disappointing including the crowd of 874 yesterday.  I know it rained, but they had 4075 at Olivet in the rain yesterday, although obviously that was for "more marbles". :( :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2015, 04:23:29 PM
Quote from: sac on October 31, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
Albion 49 Olivet 21
Trine 27 Kzoo 25

3-way tie at the top and I have no idea how that gets broken for the MIAA auto-bid if it stays this way.

Remaining games:
Trine has Hope and  @Adrian
Albion host Alma next week
Olivet @ Alma the final week

Should someone lose   Albion over Olivet, Trine over Albion, Olivet over Trine are the tie-breakers in a two-way tie.

Indeed, several scenarios.  All three have a good chance at winning out, although you never know about Trine @ Adrian.  If Trine beats Hope and then loses to Adrian (thereby giving them two league losses) and the other two win out, then it is easy-Albion goes by virtue of beating Olivet-correct.  If it is a three way tie, does it not then come down to down to the overall points in all the head-to-head meetings against the three of them?

Olivet had their own destiny in hand yesterday and could have gone a long way in clearing up the postential "mess" ::) However, we all know the MIAA race more often then not, doesn't work out that way. :)  Who is your (and everyone's) guess at probable title winner at this point?       
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 01, 2015, 06:17:05 PM
Guess I shouldn't complain.  Undefeated, nationally ranked DII Ferris State playing @ Lake Erie College only drew 352 people.  Darn rain! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2015, 07:55:42 AM
We discussed the tiebreaker yesterday in Snap Judgments and we also talk about it in today's podcast.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 02, 2015, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2015, 07:55:42 AM
We discussed the tiebreaker yesterday in Snap Judgments and we also talk about it in today's podcast.

Thanks Pat.  Haven't had a chance to catch up on that, but will try to do so.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 07, 2015, 04:12:22 PM
Trine will now have a chance to make it a 3-way tie for the league title next week if they beat Adrian.  That will make it interesting with the tie-breaker system deciding it.  My preliminary guess is that Albion will still end up going to the NCAA regardless of any outcome.  The question then might be would Olivet have a chance at one of the at large bids of the pool if they won their last game to finish the regular season at 9-1? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 08, 2015, 02:33:39 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 07, 2015, 04:12:22 PM
Trine will now have a chance to make it a 3-way tie for the league title next week if they beat Adrian.  That will make it interesting with the tie-breaker system deciding it.  My preliminary guess is that Albion will still end up going to the NCAA regardless of any outcome.  The question then might be would Olivet have a chance at one of the at large bids of the pool if they won their last game to finish the regular season at 9-1?

Olivet's non-conference opponents are 3-6 Concordia, 0-9 Earlham, 5-4 Carthage and 3-6 Aurora.  The best opponent they played record wise is Albion and they lost.  Not very likely to get an at-large.

...and fwiw, Albion's non-conference opponents are 4-5 Stevens Point, 3-6 Augustana, 7-2 Lakeland with 3-6 Aurora next week.  I don't know where this falls in the hierarchy of football rankings but that doesn't seem like a great resume unless a lot of weight is being placed on beating Lakeland.  Albion's best win is Olivet then.

with 3 losses, Trine has no chance at an at-large
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 08, 2015, 02:40:33 PM
This will be the first season since 1995 (Dean Kreps first year) that Hope fails to secure at least 3 MIAA victories.  A loss to Kalamazoo next Saturday would mean their first winless MIAA season since 1961. :(

A loss next week would also mean the first consecutive losses to Kalamazoo since 1963 and 1964, the end of a 4 year run of Kzoo victories.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2015, 06:58:03 PM
Gah!!  EMU strikes again!!

My younger son's graduation will be delayed from April to either June or August, because two classes biology majors are required to take are ONLY offered at the same time.  WHY is my former employer so friggin' incompetent and user-UNfriendly? ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2015, 06:58:03 PM
Gah!!  EMU strikes again!!

My younger son's graduation will be delayed from April to either June or August, because two classes biology majors are required to take are ONLY offered at the same time.  WHY is my former employer so friggin' incompetent and user-UNfriendly? ::)

Sorry to hear that Mr. Y.  What's wrong with those people?  ::) :) :( I  do not doubt your son will accomplish his goal, however, it is certainly disappointing that the slight "curve" has been thrown his way.  I know what you mean.  Our oldest daughter faced the same situation when she was finishing her Masters Degree in teaching administration at Western Michigan University a couple of years ago.  She would have finished well ahead of the schedule, but her last required class was only offered some 3 months after she was to "officially graduate".  Nonetheless, she was allowed to "walk" for the official graduation ceremony with all the other Western graduates (both undergrad and grad).  She successfully completed the course and earned her degree.  Anyway, keep us posted on your son's eventual completion and I wish him all the best.

BTW, EMU is having a touch year.  The way they started out, I thought perhaps this might be the [albeit small] turning point.  I haven't heard or seen much from the Wabash people regarding what their thoughts are about CC there so far-they are busy concentrating on the great season the LG's are having this year and that is understandable!  But, it would be interesting to hear what they think, perhaps in the near future. 

Re: MIAA topics.  My prediction is that we (Hope) will win at Kalamazoo this Saturday and therefore avoid a non-win conference record.  As sac noted, that would match a very, very old record.  At the same time, Hope can't take Kazoo lightly and...it is at Kazoo's stadium.  It would be nice to have a decent crowd there, however, with both teams' records what they are, I doubt it will be large (guess is as per their usual, well <1,000).  They do have a good tailgating tradition, however. I do feel for Kazoo also as they seemed to have taken a step backward.  However, I believe Zorbo is a good coach with a good staff.  They are just hindered by the type of student-athlete they can recruit for various reasons.  But...at the same time, if Olivet can do it, I think they could too. 

And finally, this obviously has been the quietest board here this season.  I am not sure why; perhaps our posters have just been busy with important family/personal aspects.  Regardless, it has been disappointing.  Hopefully, some new people will join next year and perhaps we can get some of the past "MIAA regulars and/or frequent visitors" to return in the future.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 09, 2015, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 09, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2015, 06:58:03 PM
Gah!!  EMU strikes again!!

My younger son's graduation will be delayed from April to either June or August, because two classes biology majors are required to take are ONLY offered at the same time.  WHY is my former employer so friggin' incompetent and user-UNfriendly? ::)

Sorry to hear that Mr. Y.  What's wrong with those people?  ::) :) :( I  do not doubt your son will accomplish his goal, however, it is certainly disappointing that the slight "curve" has been thrown his way.  I know what you mean.  Our oldest daughter faced the same situation when she was finishing her Masters Degree in teaching administration at Western Michigan University a couple of years ago.  She would have finished well ahead of the schedule, but her last required class was only offered some 3 months after she was to "officially graduate".  Nonetheless, she was allowed to "walk" for the official graduation ceremony with all the other Western graduates (both undergrad and grad).  She successfully completed the course and earned her degree.  Anyway, keep us posted on your son's eventual completion and I wish him all the best.

BTW, EMU is having a touch year.  The way they started out, I thought perhaps this might be the [albeit small] turning point.  I haven't heard or seen much from the Wabash people regarding what their thoughts are about CC there so far-they are busy concentrating on the great season the LG's are having this year and that is understandable!  But, it would be interesting to hear what they think, perhaps in the near future. 

Re: MIAA topics.  My prediction is that we (Hope) will win at Kalamazoo this Saturday and therefore avoid a non-win conference record.  As sac noted, that would match a very, very old record.  At the same time, Hope can't take Kazoo lightly and...it is at Kazoo's stadium.  It would be nice to have a decent crowd there, however, with both teams' records what they are, I doubt it will be large (guess is as per their usual, well <1,000).  They do have a good tailgating tradition, however. I do feel for Kazoo also as they seemed to have taken a step backward.  However, I believe Zorbo is a good coach with a good staff.  They are just hindered by the type of student-athlete they can recruit for various reasons.  But...at the same time, if Olivet can do it, I think they could too. 

And finally, this obviously has been the quietest board here this season.  I am not sure why; perhaps our posters have just been busy with important family/personal aspects.  Regardless, it has been disappointing.  Hopefully, some new people will join next year and perhaps we can get some of the past "MIAA regulars and/or frequent visitors" to return in the future.

formerd3db,

Hope you are well. Regarding the MIAA board, I agree that it has really been quiet. I have not posted that much this fall
on the OAC board and have been a guest on this one. Looks like Albion will represent the MIAA and has had a good year
with a lot of offense according the NCAA stats. How far will they get in the playoffs? Your alma mater has not been
as successful this fall as I thought they would.

Regarding the Raiders this year, they are extremely strong and the stats bear that out. They should be in the Stagg again,
but we will see how the playoffs go for all teams. There appears to be more stronger teams this year. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 09, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
Raider68:

Good to hear from you.  Doing well here, thanks.  I hope you are doing well also.

I agree with your assessments this year.  I, too, believe Mount will get back to the Stagg this years.  Yet, I also agree that it seems to be one of those years (perhaps the first in a long time) where there might be kind of a "free for all", if you will, regarding all the teams who have legit shot at getting there.  I see it as kind of similar to the FBS CFP, which there is so much more parity this year-again, perhaps more than any other year in the recent past.  It will be exciting to see who makes it.

Although I chimed in on the lack of activity on our board, I admit that I have been part of that less than zealous of posters this year as well.  Much going on for many people, and I get that.  But, that said, we have always appreciated your contributions here and visiting us.  Besides, you know our board is not a "brutal" as your OAC board! ::)  I'm sure that is why some people don't venture over there that much!! :)

As far as our season, yes, it has been most disappointing and I really did not see it coming like that.  I thought we'd be 7-3 at the minimum.  Some disappointing performances by many this year and I am not sure why.  Also, once that disappointing "woe is me" type of attitude sets in among a team, it is difficult to break out of that during the season, no matter how hard the coaches try to maker that happen and encourage players.  Of course, one can assert that old saying that those who are really tough will do what it takes to "right the ship" but even those who have that ability, it is easier said than done. 

Regardless, I would like to see our MIAA rep (as you say, it appears it will be Albion) go well into the playoff rounds, however, I am not that confident it will happen.  Perhaps I might be surprised like I/we were way back in 1994 when Albion did that. 

Good luck to your team.  Remembering my trip to visit you and the playoff game-that seems like ages ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 09, 2015, 09:58:21 PM
Michigan State Normal College (later known as Eastern Michigan University) left the MIAA in 1926   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
I am among those who have been quiet for sometime on the MIAA board.  Without an emotional investment in either the MIAA or any of its teams ... and with Hope in closest geographical proximity but with a pretty dismal season ... I haven't had much enthusiasm generated here. 

But with my alma mater having clinched at least a tie for first place in the IIAC and having clinched a spot in the playoffs, all has not been lost.  Four years ago when Dubuque made the playoffs for the first time in 20+ years, I was all set for a Dubuque - Monmouth first-round match up.  Alas, the Spartans got paired with North Central and their play off run was short lived.  This time around, I'm thinking we get to travel to Wheaton for the first round.  If that materializes, at least it is a reasonable drive from Grand Rapids.  So ... GO BLUE ... and I don't mean that "M" team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 10, 2015, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
I am among those who have been quiet for sometime on the MIAA board.  Without an emotional investment in either the MIAA or any of its teams ... and with Hope in closest geographical proximity but with a pretty dismal season ... I haven't had much enthusiasm generated here. 

But with my alma mater having clinched at least a tie for first place in the IIAC and having clinched a spot in the playoffs, all has not been lost.  Four years ago when Dubuque made the playoffs for the first time in 20+ years, I was all set for a Dubuque - Monmouth first-round match up.  Alas, the Spartans got paired with North Central and their play off run was short lived.  This time around, I'm thinking we get to travel to Wheaton for the first round.  If that materializes, at least it is a reasonable drive from Grand Rapids.  So ... GO BLUE ... and I don't mean that "M" team.

So the real question is: why is there so little interest in D3 football in Michigan? This is based upon the low attendance
and almost non-existent posting on this board. Is it based upon an MIAA conference winner not advancing in the playoffs,
or the lack of interest since there are some top D2 schools and the big D1 schools who draw the fans and interest? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2015, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 10, 2015, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 10, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
I am among those who have been quiet for sometime on the MIAA board.  Without an emotional investment in either the MIAA or any of its teams ... and with Hope in closest geographical proximity but with a pretty dismal season ... I haven't had much enthusiasm generated here. 

But with my alma mater having clinched at least a tie for first place in the IIAC and having clinched a spot in the playoffs, all has not been lost.  Four years ago when Dubuque made the playoffs for the first time in 20+ years, I was all set for a Dubuque - Monmouth first-round match up.  Alas, the Spartans got paired with North Central and their play off run was short lived.  This time around, I'm thinking we get to travel to Wheaton for the first round.  If that materializes, at least it is a reasonable drive from Grand Rapids.  So ... GO BLUE ... and I don't mean that "M" team.

So the real question is: why is there so little interest in D3 football in Michigan? This is based upon the low attendance
and almost non-existent posting on this board. Is it based upon an MIAA conference winner not advancing in the playoffs,
or the lack of interest since there are some top D2 schools and the big D1 schools who draw the fans and interest? :-\
. 

I can't really speak to the "big picture" on the questions you asked, but I can speak from my own perspective.  As for MIAA, I usually attend 5 or 6 games a season between Hope, Olivet, and Kalamazoo.  I love D3 football and really enjoy the atmosphere at those games ... even the bad hot dogs.  Its more fun with competitive games, but you can't always have that.  Attendance is better in the MIAA when you have a successful team but there is some pretty good loyalty whatever the record.  A couple of years back it appeared Olivet was on the rise along with Kzoo, and then there was the Hope, Trine, Adrian, and Albion mix.  The MIAA could be a good conference with some consistency ... the lack of that is why no team ever seems to get beyond the first round of the playoffs.

It does hurt attendance to have a lot of D2 schools in Michigan, although I stopped going to Grand Valley State games when they went to all night games.  One of the best football programs in the area was at Grand Rapids Community College ... wide open, exciting offense and good solid defense.  The program was eliminated a couple of years ago for $$$ reasons and the coach went to Ferris State ... now ranked 2nd nationally in D2.  Add to that the MAC schools along with the two "big" programs, and there is a lot of competition for the football fan.

In Iowa the situation is much the same.  You have the IIAC with pretty good attendance I think, 3 to 4 strong conference teams year to year.  But then there are a number of NAIA teams which have their own following plus the big 3 ... Iowa, Iowa State, and Northern Iowa.  I almost forgot about Drake.

I'm not familiar with the situation in Ohio but it seems to be pretty healthy there.  Even with the OSU, and handful of good MAC schools, the D3 programs in Ohio seem strong.  But I'm an outside looking in.

So that's my take from here.  Right now I'm caught up in high school playoff hysteria.  We have some outstanding programs in west Michigan and there is nothing like the "go big or stay home" atmosphere of high school playoff time.

There's my 2-cents worth.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: USee on November 10, 2015, 09:42:29 PM
Sorry if Missed this somewhere but if everybody wins Saturday do we know definitively who gets the AQ? Albion I assume?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2015, 09:45:14 PM
Yes, Albion.
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2015/automatic-bids
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: USee on November 10, 2015, 11:00:09 PM
Useful. Thanks
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2015, 04:50:51 PM
USee:
Pat is spot on (as usual,  ;)).  If Alma beats Olivet and Trine wins @ Adrian, then there will be a two way tie for the MIAA title between Trine and Albion.  Trine would then get the AQ by virtue of having beat Albion 55-51 earlier this year.  However, if Olivet and Trine both win, Albion gets the AQ.  If the latter scenario, the summary of the H-T-H competition between the 3 is:

Trine beat Albion 55-51      +4
Trine lost to Olivet 49-24  -25
                                          -21

Olivet lost to Albion 49-21         -28
Olivet beat Trine      49-24   +25
                                                -3 

Albion beat Olivet  49-21         +28
Albion lost to Trine  55-51         -4
                                                  +24     
                               
A wild year it has been in our MIAA, although it has often happened that the league title has come down to the very end over the years.  However, I think that many of us believe this has also been one of the strangest, at least in part, since a couple of weeks ago there was talk of the improbable chance there might be a 5 way tie.  Wierd (sp intended ;D).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2015, 05:03:04 PM
DBQ1965:

Congrats to your Dubuque for this season.  Last month I had to make a trip to Colorado Springs for a conference and had the opportunity to stop by the Dubuque (and Loras) campuses mid-week since I drove and made a "blast trip" out and back.  Very nice stadium at your alma mater, which they just had a new dedication this September to the former long-time coach in the earlier days.  Loras Rock Bowl also nice.  Both nice campuses.

Once again, you and I did not hook up for a visit at one of the Hope games this year-no fault of either of us.  Crudy weather at the last 3 Hope home games as you know.  I will be helping at the Kalamazoo game this weekend, so if by chance you are there, perhaps we can visit at the half or after.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2015, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2015, 04:50:51 PM
USee:
Pat is spot on (as usual,  ;)).  If Alma beats Olivet and Trine wins @ Adrian, then there will be a two way tie for the MIAA title between Trine and Albion.  Trine would then get the AQ by virtue of having beat Albion 55-51 earlier this year.  However, if Olivet and Trine both win, Albion gets the AQ.  If the latter scenario, the summary of the H-T-H competition between the 3 is:

Trine beat Albion 55-51      +4
Trine lost to Olivet 49-24  -25
                                          -21

Olivet lost to Albion 49-21         -28
Olivet beat Trine      49-24   +25
                                                -3 

Albion beat Olivet  49-21         +28
Albion lost to Trine  55-51         -4
                                                  +24     
                               
A wild year it has been in our MIAA, although it has often happened that the league title has come down to the very end over the years.  However, I think that many of us believe this has also been one of the strangest, at least in part, since a couple of weeks ago there was talk of the improbable chance there might be a 5 way tie.  Wierd (sp intended ;D).

Didn't check your math, but the MIAA doesn't use the comparative scores tiebreaker. Albion wins because of overall record. Trine would drop out of the three-way tie based on its overall record and then it reverts to the Albion-Olivet head-to-head result.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2015, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2015, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2015, 04:50:51 PM
USee:
Pat is spot on (as usual,  ;)).  If Alma beats Olivet and Trine wins @ Adrian, then there will be a two way tie for the MIAA title between Trine and Albion.  Trine would then get the AQ by virtue of having beat Albion 55-51 earlier this year.  However, if Olivet and Trine both win, Albion gets the AQ.  If the latter scenario, the summary of the H-T-H competition between the 3 is:

Trine beat Albion 55-51      +4
Trine lost to Olivet 49-24  -25
                                          -21

Olivet lost to Albion 49-21         -28
Olivet beat Trine      49-24   +25
                                                -3 

Albion beat Olivet  49-21         +28
Albion lost to Trine  55-51         -4
                                                  +24     
                               
A wild year it has been in our MIAA, although it has often happened that the league title has come down to the very end over the years.  However, I think that many of us believe this has also been one of the strangest, at least in part, since a couple of weeks ago there was talk of the improbable chance there might be a 5 way tie.  Wierd (sp intended ;D).

Didn't check your math, but the MIAA doesn't use the comparative scores tiebreaker. Albion wins because of overall record. Trine would drop out of the three-way tie based on its overall record and then it reverts to the Albion-Olivet head-to-head result.

That's okay, Pat.  I am probably wrong and would have to check on this, but I thought the MIAA used the culmulative scores head-to-head some years ago.  Nonetheless, if that would have been the criteria at present as opposed to the overall record (or perhaps if all three teams tied with the same overall record), that score tally would have warrented Albion going anyway. :)

BTW, you already mentioned this in your article posting i.e. that Albion could fail to win the MIAA if those other scenarios play out, but potentially get an at-large bid even though they have a lower SOS compared to others. I'm interested to hear what is your own opinion as to Albion's real chances for getting an AL if that occurs?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 12, 2015, 10:35:18 AM
Greetings! I'm a long time lurker, Albion alumnus, and large DIII supporter.

After seeing this forum slow down and become riddled with the Dutch, I figured I'd come in and start to diversify the posting.

It's been quite a year for the MIAA. I think Albion's lone blemish to Trine is showing some headway to growth as a league and the wins over Lakeland and Oshkosh I think are better than they look on paper. At least for morale. I know a lot of Britons were hoping to run the table and host the first round of the play offs, but from what I understand after the 2004-2005 basketball season, Albion will most likely not be hosting play off games again (at least not until their new athletic project is completed and even then I believe Albion could only host a postseason Track and Field meet). Hopefully Albion is rewarded by not having to play a powerhouse in the first round, but I'm not holding my breath.

I too have wondered why the MIAA doesn't gain a little more traction in the state. With the history and strong academics, especially from the GLCA schools, it really should have a small following. Is it the rise of the GLIAC over the last 10+ years? A growing NAIA league? Is it the superiority complex this state seems to have when it comes to the natural order of NCAA football teams? Would a Calvin team help build a fanbase in Grand Rapids which could help push the MIAA the same way GVSU has done to for the GLIAC?

I think 20 years ago everyone in the state new of the MIAA for academics and respected the athletic accomplishments, but the rise of "my kid earned a scholarship to a GLIAC school" when a parent doesn't understand nor care about an academic institution has led to some word of mouth issues. Dave Neilson did a great job as commissioner but I don't think he really understood how important athletics would be to admission numbers on MIAA schools and how important increasing awareness of the MIAA would be beneficial for all. I don't really know the answer - but I'd love to see a push.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
Pat:

I realize you have ignored my question, and understandably so, since I really screwed that up; no doubt you were thinking..."what an idiot that guy is"! :D ;)  Indeed, I do not know what I was thinking totally, when I penned that.  Anyway, what I really had intended it to say was that if the other scenario played out with all three teams winning tomorrow, again, knowing that Albion goes anyway, what is your opinion as to Olivet's chance (not Albion as I erroneously typed ;D) of getting one of the at-large bids with a 9-1 record, despite their having a lower SOS as opposed to some of the other teams who would be in the mix for an A-L bid?


To: IoTrimphe and DBQ:
There have been several discussions in the past couple of years or so here on the MIAA board regarding the "state of the MIAA" and reasons why.  Both of your posts have touched on some of those various factors.  Although I have offered my own opinions on the topic in the past also, I would enjoy sharing a few of those comments again here with you.  I do not have time to do another post right now, however, I will try to do so at some time over the weekend or shortly thereafter.

Good luck to Albion and Dubuque tomorrow, especially for Albion so they don't "blow" having a one-loss season!  If Olivet wins @ Alma (that might be tough up there if Alma brings it's better "game" tomorrow like it has on a few occasions this year), it will be nice to see them end up 9-1.  As far as Hope, hoping (no pun intended) that a self-implosion doesn't happen tomorrow like it has the last few games, I'm going out on a limb and predicting they will beat Kalamazoo, although it is at Kazoo's stadium.  Anyway, the weather is supposed to be decent for a change- mid to high 50's and no rain for once!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 13, 2015, 01:38:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 13, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
Pat:

I realize you have ignored my question, and understandably so, since I really screwed that up; no doubt you were thinking..."what an idiot that guy is"! :D ;)  Indeed, I do not know what I was thinking totally, when I penned that.  Anyway, what I really had intended it to say was that if the other scenario played out with all three teams winning tomorrow, again, knowing that Albion goes anyway, what is your opinion as to Olivet's chance (not Albion as I erroneously typed ;D) of getting one of the at-large bids with a 9-1 record, despite their having a lower SOS as opposed to some of the other teams who would be in the mix for an A-L bid?

Not Pat, but I'll offer my .02 here.   :)

I think it looks tough for Olivet.  ONU moving into the rankings and all the way past Olivet is a bad sign.  If everybody wins (I don't see any significant SOS shifts based on this week's opponents), I don't think Olivet would go back over ONU after Saturday's games which puts Olivet, at best, second in line for Pool C from the North region and behind a team that I don't think will make the field. 

I think the MIAA's best chance for two teams in the field is for Olivet to lose and Trine to win the league's AQ.  Albion is a much better at-large candidate; but even they look like they would be on the last in/first out borderline. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 13, 2015, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 13, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
Pat:

To: IoTrimphe and DBQ:
There have been several discussions in the past couple of years or so here on the MIAA board regarding the "state of the MIAA" and reasons why.  Both of your posts have touched on some of those various factors.  Although I have offered my own opinions on the topic in the past also, I would enjoy sharing a few of those comments again here with you.  I do not have time to do another post right now, however, I will try to do so at some time over the weekend or shortly thereafter.

Would love to hear them when you have the chance to put pen to paper.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2015, 02:26:13 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 13, 2015, 01:38:35 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 13, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
Pat:

I realize you have ignored my question, and understandably so, since I really screwed that up; no doubt you were thinking..."what an idiot that guy is"! :D ;)  Indeed, I do not know what I was thinking totally, when I penned that.  Anyway, what I really had intended it to say was that if the other scenario played out with all three teams winning tomorrow, again, knowing that Albion goes anyway, what is your opinion as to Olivet's chance (not Albion as I erroneously typed ;D) of getting one of the at-large bids with a 9-1 record, despite their having a lower SOS as opposed to some of the other teams who would be in the mix for an A-L bid?

Not Pat, but I'll offer my .02 here.   :)

I think it looks tough for Olivet.  ONU moving into the rankings and all the way past Olivet is a bad sign.  If everybody wins (I don't see any significant SOS shifts based on this week's opponents), I don't think Olivet would go back over ONU after Saturday's games which puts Olivet, at best, second in line for Pool C from the North region and behind a team that I don't think will make the field. 

I think the MIAA's best chance for two teams in the field is for Olivet to lose and Trine to win the league's AQ.  Albion is a much better at-large candidate; but even they look like they would be on the last in/first out borderline.

I admit I like Wally's scenario the best, but I am a Trine fan.   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2015, 06:15:15 PM
Adrian beat Trine which means Albion and Olivet share the miaa title with Albion getting the auto bid
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 14, 2015, 06:16:14 PM
1961 was a long time ago :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dumezrules on November 14, 2015, 10:31:06 PM
Does anyone know Dean Kreps' career record at Hope? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 15, 2015, 08:01:50 AM
Kreps is 109-97 (83-41 in MIAA) by my count. His last MIAA title was in 2007 when they went back to back. They have struggled of late, but from 95-2007 Hope finished worse than 2nd in MIAA only once, in 1995 his first year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2015, 08:14:58 PM
Some Post-season/Selection-night ramblings:

Congratulations to Olivet and Albion for their co-championship.  A great season for Olivet in their long history.  Too bad they did not receive an at-large bid, however, the SOS is a problem for the MIAA.  Congratulations to Albion for their AQ.  I do not see them beating Wabash, however, hopefully, they will have a good showing.  I expect it to be similar to the last time they met Wabash in the playoffs in Crawfordsville this past decade.

Congratulations to Kalamazoo's players and staff and fans for the victory over Hope yesterday.  A nice way for their seniors to go out.  Also, nice to see a good crowd at their stadium (1245) as well as great weather (finally :D), especially for a last game of the season as opposed to the usual. 

Hope's self-implosion was very disappointing to say the least.  As is obvious to most, being on the 2 yard line with just seconds left in the first half and having that INT run back 98 yards was the game changing atmosphere.  Hope would have been up 31-7 had we scored, instead going into halftime with a 24-14 lead.  While the coaching staff and fans were/are disappointed, it is even more so for the senior class.  I feel bad for them going out with that result as being the last game of their collegiate careers.  However, such is life.  Yet, I encourage them to think about the positive aspects and memories of their careers.  As to the underclassemen, hopefully, they will endeavor to be better next next year.

sac, while 1961 was a long time ago, it still is disheartening and unbelievable in not winning a league game. Looking back over the scores, there are several that were so close with Hope having a chance to have won those games.  But, if, if if..... :)

IoTriumphe, I mentioned I would "re-mention" some of my own thoughts and comments I have heard from others (including some coaching staffs in the MIAA) as to reasons for the difficulties the MIAA has had with regard to being less competitive comparatively overall the past couple of decades.  Many are of the opinion that this is due to a) the higher number of scholarship football schools in the state and region DII, NAIA and b) the high cost of tuition at the DIII schools.  Receiving a "full-ride" at one of the GLIAC or Mid-West NAIA schools makes a huge difference to families with regard to finances and being able to attend some schools.  If one's son is good enough to play at the DII level, unless their family can afford to send them to a Hope, Albion or Kazoo, etc. and/or they receive more than half of the tuition via grants, community scholarships, etc., thereby bringing down the overall yearly cost comparable to going to a state university and not playing football, a great number take the scholarship (or unless they really want to go to one of MIAA schools for some specific academic tract or family tradition and/or other various reasons). 

Thus, while this is still collegiate football and a big step up from high school and there are many very good high school players who are not good enough to play at this level, the MIAA schools are simply not getting those type of higher talented players overall like they did 2-3 decades ago.  However, there are still occasions where some of the schools may land (for various reasons) an occasional/some occasional players who are good enough to play at the DII or even DI level.  DBQ also made some good points relative to other factors involved.

Anyway, the playoffs begin and it will be interesting to see how this year's field plays out.

DAWG, I did think you guys would beat Trine at your home (sorry, Uncle Rico! ;D)

And finally, many people figured that the U of Michigan game would play out exactly as it did yesterday.  But, it was good to see Michigan pull one out like that for once (or twice, I guess, like they did with the win against Minnesota).  Also, good season for Northwestern!

     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2015, 08:17:07 PM
wally w:
Thanks for your offering opinion the other night.   Good analysis.

Congrats to your Wabash.  There is an outside chance I might be able to "blast down" to the game next weekend, but not sure yet.  I hope the weather is nice again like yesterday for next Saturday's first round game.  Do you expect a decent crowd?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on November 15, 2015, 08:49:40 PM
Formerd3db

Weather looks decent for next Saturday.  Anticipate a good Wabash crowd and I suspect we should have a good turnout from Albion.  Should be interesting ... we start with Albion next year.  Book ends.  Also, Albion President is a Wabash Grad and new Admissions Director there was at Wabash before taking the Albion job.  I anticipate a lot of good hospitality by Wabash.  If any MIAA rooters come down, suggest you amble over to the tailgating behind the Wabash side.  I am sure everyone will be welcome.  We save the cold shoulder for DePauw and Witt folks.  We anticipate a great tailgate also at Albion next year to open the season.  Should be fun "working over" their now President Mauri Ditzler also grad and good friend of Wabash.  This is what D III is about.  It should be a celebration of both teams' hard work to get there + a little fun thrown in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 15, 2015, 08:58:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 15, 2015, 08:17:07 PM
wally w:
Thanks for your offering opinion the other night.   Good analysis.

Congrats to your Wabash.  There is an outside chance I might be able to "blast down" to the game next weekend, but not sure yet.  I hope the weather is nice again like yesterday for next Saturday's first round game.  Do you expect a decent crowd?

Thanks for listening!  Glad you enjoyed the show. 

Experience tells me that we'll have a smaller, but spirited crowd at Wabash for Round 1.  Classes break for Thanksgiving at the end of next week, so there's just no keeping all of the student body around for the game.  Last year's reported attendance for that first round game was something like 1300.  Would love to see a little better than that, but I understand how the holiday impacts availability for many.  I've lucked out and my own holiday travel won't be until Sunday, so I will definitely be there on Saturday. 

Going to be fun to revisit some Wabash-Albion history this week.  As you know, Wabash and Albion are definitely not strangers, even though it's been a while since we've seen one another. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: USee on November 15, 2015, 09:04:02 PM
I want to see how that Albion offense does against the Giant Swarm.  Could be epic.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2015, 10:19:34 PM
wabco and wally:

Thanks for the info follow-up.  Didn't know about the Wabash connection re: the new Albion administrators.  Yes, it would be nice to have larger crowds for the first round games, yet, the holiday "conflict" is always there as you mention, and that is understandable.  As we have shared before, yes, I/we miss those Albion/Wabash, Hope/Wabash clashes, but it is good to see they are back on your schedule for next year.

If I am able to make it down, it would be a pleasure to visit with you guys-thanks for the invite.  I'll see what goes this week.  Thanks again.

Usee: It could be interesting, but will be a tough task down there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on November 15, 2015, 10:50:32 PM
Wally is correct about students out f school.  I had forgotten that.  But otherwise I believe the crowd will be fine ... a function of weather.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2015, 10:32:02 AM
Have to say that Albion getting that road draw seems a bit off to me, only because Franklin at 8-2 with a less than impressive SOS is hosting a playoff game. I know MIAA not looked on kindly in eyes of d3football world as a strong conference but they have the win against Stevens Point and a 9-1 record with the 18th strongest SOS per NCAA, much better than Franklins 155.

MIAA for all its faults featured some strong SOS this year, I dont think it can really be pinned as an issue. MIAA had three teams in top 20 for SOS Albion at 18, Adrian at 10, Trine at 3, the only team outside the top 100 was Olivet. Conversely, the three best teams in HCAC were Franklin at 155 and Rose-Hulman at 195, and Mount St Joseph at 205. Id have though that might have played a bigger role in the equation, but Im not privy to all the ins and outs. Then again drawing ONU at home isnt exactly a gift either I suppose.


The Albion Wabash matchup should be interesting. Albion with the elite offense vs Wabash with an elite defense, itll be interesting to see which side wins out in the end.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2015, 10:32:02 AM
Have to say that Albion getting that road draw seems a bit off to me,

It's my understanding that even if Albion suited up the '85 Bears they still would not ever be allowed to host a play off game until the press box is upgraded. As of now the NCAA does not deem Sprankle Sprandle worthy (cue Wayne and Garth).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
I guess I can see that being an issue, its pretty well behind acceptable standards in this day and age. I didnt even factor the idea of facilities into the equation, but that would make some sense I suppose.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 16, 2015, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2015, 10:32:02 AM
Have to say that Albion getting that road draw seems a bit off to me,

It's my understanding that even if Albion suited up the '85 Bears they still would not ever be allowed to host a play off game until the press box is upgraded. As of now the NCAA does not deem Sprankle Sprandle worthy (cue Wayne and Garth).

20 years on, this seems to make me smile a bit ;)  (vague I know, think basketball, Holland Civic Center etc etc)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GRIZ_BACKER on November 16, 2015, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
I guess I can see that being an issue, its pretty well behind acceptable standards in this day and age. I didnt even factor the idea of facilities into the equation, but that would make some sense I suppose.

It is my understanding that to HOST there is a application process and specific requirements.  In some cases, teams either dont apply (at the time you may have to apply, making the playoff wasnt realistic.  First time or infrequent playoff schools may not be fully aware.  I am not expert on the process or requirements but I do knmow there is a process to apply in advance.  Franklin applies each season as the they generally make the show every year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 01:23:41 PM
Quote from: sac on November 16, 2015, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2015, 10:32:02 AM
Have to say that Albion getting that road draw seems a bit off to me,

It's my understanding that even if Albion suited up the '85 Bears they still would not ever be allowed to host a play off game until the press box is upgraded. As of now the NCAA does not deem Sprankle Sprandle worthy (cue Wayne and Garth).

20 years on, this seems to make me smile a bit ;)  (vague I know, think basketball, Holland Civic Center etc etc)

I think the 2004 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament kinda killed Albion's shot. From what I gather the administration and athletic administration understand the need. They're not about to pull an Adrian and cover it with loans, but the donor pool is a little tired and not exactly jumping at this opportunity. Albion's certainly playing catch up in regards to facilities and I think this also plays into the earlier conversation of strength of conference.

The funny part is the exact same stadium would be deemed essentially perfect in the eyes of the Track and Field committee.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 01:23:41 PM
Quote from: sac on November 16, 2015, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 16, 2015, 10:32:02 AM
Have to say that Albion getting that road draw seems a bit off to me,

It's my understanding that even if Albion suited up the '85 Bears they still would not ever be allowed to host a play off game until the press box is upgraded. As of now the NCAA does not deem Sprankle Sprandle worthy (cue Wayne and Garth).

20 years on, this seems to make me smile a bit ;)  (vague I know, think basketball, Holland Civic Center etc etc)

I think the 2004 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament kinda killed Albion's shot. From what I gather the administration and athletic administration understand the need. They're not about to pull an Adrian and cover it with loans, but the donor pool is a little tired and not exactly jumping at this opportunity. Albion's certainly playing catch up in regards to facilities and I think this also plays into the earlier conversation of strength of conference.

The funny part is the exact same stadium would be deemed essentially perfect in the eyes of the Track and Field committee.

This is the second time that I've seen the basketball tournament mentioned here.  Help me understand what a decade-old basketball tournament impacts football site selection in the present? 

Also- I don't think Albion was really in play for a home game, whether they applied or not, whether they had adequate facilities or not.  When you're in that 5-ish spot in the regional rankings, you're kind of on the borderline when it comes to getting a home game or not and when they got drawn into a pod with Wabash, TMC, and W&L, Albion wasn't going to host any of those teams. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 01:32:43 PM
This is the second time that I've seen the basketball tournament mentioned here.  Help me understand what a decade-old basketball tournament impacts football site selection in the present? 

Also- I don't think Albion was really in play for a home game, whether they applied or not, whether they had adequate facilities or not.  When you're in that 5-ish spot in the regional rankings, you're kind of on the borderline when it comes to getting a home game or not and when they got drawn into a pod with Wabash, TMC, and W&L, Albion wasn't going to host any of those teams.

At the end of the day, you're right, I doubt the 2004-05 tournament actually had an impact on this game. But it may have as it opened the NCAA's eyes to the facilities that Albion has.

Albion's facilities are historic. While quaint it really does hamper the College's ability to host post season events. Albion's basketball arena, Kresge Gymnasium (same Kresge as K-Mart), is older than Butler's Hinkle and at one time housed the pool, basketball and locker rooms for all sports. Football used to change at Kresge and walk the 400ish meters down the train tracks to the football stadium. It's great, it's wonderful, it needs an upgrade.

In 2004-05 Albion had a very good basketball team and won the right to host the second round game against College of Wooster and the sectionals. Kresge only holds 1000 people and the bleachers were over flowing onto the floor and with in arms length of the court. It was a great atmosphere, a lot of fun, but did not sit well with the NCAA. Especially due to Calvin being in the same sectional, just down the road and with a large fan base. Calvin ended up beating Albion in the Elite Eight and as the low seed and had a larger and better facility in Grand Rapids. The rumor is as soon as the NCAA arrived at Albion they told the then Athletic Director "If I knew what your facility looked like you never would have been allowed to host". I would love to see the box score and attendance numbers, but I doubt it exists.

Was Albion in play for a game. I don't know, but you're probably right. If Albion wouldn't have tripped up and lost to Trine I would think one could make an argument. But Albion was told that until the press box is fixed (the assistant coaches literally sit on top of the box, in the elements, at crappy tables and folding chairs) they're not hosting a post season game. Now, I'd argue that this is D-III and part of the experience - but apparently 2015 D-III is changing too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Got it.  Albion's tiny gym surely isn't affecting football's ability to host a game.  If the coach's box situation is rickety and unsafe, that might.  I was at the Wabash-Albion game at Sprankle-Sprandel in 1997 and I don't remember anything about the facility in general that would disqualify them from hosting.  19-year old me didn't take special note of the press box, so I'll take your word for it.  Otherwise, my recollection is that the venue is fine. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Got it.  Albion's tiny gym surely isn't affecting football's ability to host a game.  If the coach's box situation is rickety and unsafe, that might.  I was at the Wabash-Albion game at Sprankle-Sprandel in 1997 and I don't remember anything about the facility in general that would disqualify them from hosting.  19-year old me didn't take special note of the press box, so I'll take your word for it.  Otherwise, my recollection is that the venue is fine.

Is a school required to have a locker room for away players? Most of the time the away teams meet in the end zones before the halftime orange slices are passed around.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Got it.  Albion's tiny gym surely isn't affecting football's ability to host a game.  If the coach's box situation is rickety and unsafe, that might.  I was at the Wabash-Albion game at Sprankle-Sprandel in 1997 and I don't remember anything about the facility in general that would disqualify them from hosting.  19-year old me didn't take special note of the press box, so I'll take your word for it.  Otherwise, my recollection is that the venue is fine.

Is a school required to have a locker room for away players? Most of the time the away teams meet in the end zones before the halftime orange slices are passed around.

I'm going to guess that that's a dealbreaker.  Where do visiting teams dress? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 16, 2015, 03:48:54 PM
There are two basketball references here, one IO addressed.  The other was 20 years ago Hope's home basketball court was deemed inadequate the year they were unbeaten forcing them to move to an even more 'inadequate' on campus facility.  Even though Hope had hosted tournament games on the same court and even hosted a women's Final Four only 3 years earlier.


It so happened Albion's coach, Mike Turner, was the head of the Great Lakes Regional committee that year.  He wrongly took some flak from those in Holland for the whole deal, it was the NCAA's decision.

Anyway, its just a little amusing to me.



For the record Albion's Kresge Gym holds 1,500 when full, though I've suspected that number is closer to 1,200.    The manual on hosting NCAA events is thick and filled with 100's of inane things that make you roll your eyes sometimes. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 04:09:47 PM
Quote from: sac on November 16, 2015, 03:48:54 PM
There are two basketball references here, one IO addressed.  The other was 20 years ago Hope's home basketball court was deemed inadequate the year they were unbeaten forcing them to move to an even more 'inadequate' on campus facility.  Even though Hope had hosted tournament games on the same court and even hosted a women's Final Four only 3 years earlier.


It so happened Albion's coach, Mike Turner, was the head of the Great Lakes Regional committee that year.  He wrongly took some flak from those in Holland for the whole deal, it was the NCAA's decision.

Anyway, its just a little amusing to me.



For the record Albion's Kresge Gym holds 1,500 when full, though I've suspected that number is closer to 1,200.    The manual on hosting NCAA events is thick and filled with 100's of inane things that make you roll your eyes sometimes.

It wouldn't surprise me if the NCAA refused to allow Hope to host a Men's Tournament game during the same season the Women's Final Four is in Holland. It's that funky some time. I think Turner is a fairly middle of the road guy, he had his issues (and does) but he wouldn't screw over Hope. A few other Albion coaches on the other hand...

I think 1,300 is being generous for Kresge. I think 1,100 is comfortable before it become standing room only. Although, I have't seen more than a couple hundred in Kresge in the past 10 years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 05:04:29 PM
Quote from: sac on November 16, 2015, 03:48:54 PM
There are two basketball references here, one IO addressed.  The other was 20 years ago Hope's home basketball court was deemed inadequate the year they were unbeaten forcing them to move to an even more 'inadequate' on campus facility.  Even though Hope had hosted tournament games on the same court and even hosted a women's Final Four only 3 years earlier.


It so happened Albion's coach, Mike Turner, was the head of the Great Lakes Regional committee that year.  He wrongly took some flak from those in Holland for the whole deal, it was the NCAA's decision.

Anyway, its just a little amusing to me.



For the record Albion's Kresge Gym holds 1,500 when full, though I've suspected that number is closer to 1,200.    The manual on hosting NCAA events is thick and filled with 100's of inane things that make you roll your eyes sometimes.

Does the manual specify condiments?  (Or is that joke only known on the bball board?) ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 16, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
Gentlemen:

A great discussion and very relevant.  I agree with Wally regarding the most probable reason why Albion not hosting.  However, I also believe that had that even been a possible consideration, most likely, it would not have happened due to, yes, the press box.  Some of you may recall that was the main reason why Carthage (WI) was not allowed to host a playoff game just a few years ago, until their press box was enlarged/renovated. 

I love Sprankle-Sprandle Stadium-the historic/traditional college atmosphere is awesome, including the old concrete walls.  That field has been used since 1900, and the old football field in the decade before that is where the home stands and building is now. I truly believe that if Albion renovates their press box (and the really need to-I know from my own visiting coaching experience there as DAWG pointed out ::)), there would be no "points against them" for eventually hosting a playoff game in some future year.  The facilities as they are now, with that renovation, would be more than adequate.

With regard to the basketball facility, I, too, like the historic aspect of Kresge.  I hope that it would be possible that Albion would renovate that and continue to use it for basketball.  I can see where they (the administration) might potentially desire to build an entire new facility (either on that site or perhaps over where the athletic complex is already) in "keeping up with the Jones'" in the MIAA i.e. all the other MIAA schools new bb facilities.  However, realistically, as some of you point out (and I do not intend this in a disrespectful way whatsoever-even though Albion is my/our heated rivalry,  ;D)), Albion is never going to draw the attendance figures for basketball like Hope or Calvin does, so they really do not need a huge seating facility.  And let's be honest (even thought the NCAA is, perhaps, a bit shady on that side at times I think we all agree-I could share with you some behind-the-scenes stories that I know of in the past, but will pass on that for legit reasons)-a great number of the early host team facilities for the bb tournaments do not have huge seating capacities i.e. are very much like Albion and you do not draw huge crowds for those early games-period.

So, IMO, I think that a very nicely renovated Kresge at Albion would be a great and more than adequate facility.  Thanks to all of you for a really great and fun discussion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on November 17, 2015, 08:24:42 AM
I do not mean this as some negative statement against the Albion students or football team.  BUT: Is there not one successful (in business) football supporter who would alone or with "friends" provide the funds necessary to renovate the press box?  It has been the boat anchor there forever.  Recruiting students would be aided (indirectly) by this improvement ... image improved ... the fact that this press box discussion is occurring is a negative killer toward the positive thoughts which are required for Albion to charge a recruit a boat load of tuition as a private liberal arts school and recruit students verses its competition.

Wouldn't it be a super positive to be able to hold a playoff game when you otherwise qualify to be in the playoffs? Wouldn't have happened this year when paired against #7 Wabash ... but could in the future.  NOW is the time to get cooking,  Albion alums !You all are the game changers.  President Ditzler should be receptive to all positive support.  Al - bi - on ... go Albion! 

And ... returning to the focus for this coming game ... FEED MASON, go Wabash D, send Albion back to work on their press box during the winter.  WAF
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 17, 2015, 09:31:52 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 16, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
Gentlemen:

A great discussion and very relevant.  I agree with Wally regarding the most probable reason why Albion not hosting.  However, I also believe that had that even been a possible consideration, most likely, it would not have happened due to, yes, the press box.  Some of you may recall that was the main reason why Carthage (WI) was not allowed to host a playoff game just a few years ago, until their press box was enlarged/renovated. 

I love Sprankle-Sprandle Stadium-the historic/traditional college atmosphere is awesome, including the old concrete walls.  That field has been used since 1900, and the old football field in the decade before that is where the home stands and building is now. I truly believe that if Albion renovates their press box (and the really need to-I know from my own visiting coaching experience there as DAWG pointed out ::)), there would be no "points against them" for eventually hosting a playoff game in some future year.  The facilities as they are now, with that renovation, would be more than adequate.

With regard to the basketball facility, I, too, like the historic aspect of Kresge.  I hope that it would be possible that Albion would renovate that and continue to use it for basketball.  I can see where they (the administration) might potentially desire to build an entire new facility (either on that site or perhaps over where the athletic complex is already) in "keeping up with the Jones'" in the MIAA i.e. all the other MIAA schools new bb facilities.  However, realistically, as some of you point out (and I do not intend this in a disrespectful way whatsoever-even though Albion is my/our heated rivalry,  ;D)), Albion is never going to draw the attendance figures for basketball like Hope or Calvin does, so they really do not need a huge seating facility.  And let's be honest (even thought the NCAA is, perhaps, a bit shady on that side at times I think we all agree-I could share with you some behind-the-scenes stories that I know of in the past, but will pass on that for legit reasons)-a great number of the early host team facilities for the bb tournaments do not have huge seating capacities i.e. are very much like Albion and you do not draw huge crowds for those early games-period.

So, IMO, I think that a very nicely renovated Kresge at Albion would be a great and more than adequate facility.  Thanks to all of you for a really great and fun discussion.

Regarding Kresge. As a Briton, I completely agree - Albion will never pull the crowds that Calvin and Hope do and nor should they try. There are too many things that play into that even if Albion "built it, they wouldn't come". But, I do think the College could do a little updating. I for one, would love to see the facade stay and basketball/volleyball continue to be played in the building. It's an anchor to the quad, historic, and beautiful. It's where commencement is held and too important to the tradition of the College.

There were talks about 10 years ago about swapping the theatre and the basketball facilities and maintaining the look of the quad, but I think those days are gone. I've heard rumors that Albion would like to create a practice facility in the green space in the corner of the quad and expand the back of Kresge to allow more room and bring the facility up to current building codes. Perhaps move the cadaver lab that's across from the visitor's locker room.

The entire athletic area of campus needs an upgrade. The school is close to finishing the second phase of an athletic project and I hope they look at the Dow Center as the next project. Locker rooms need updating, the indoor track needs to be expanded to 200m, the pool needs to be expanded and there is a large need for additional work out areas as prospective students, athletes and non athletes, are very interested in new age facilities and the current area barely fits the football team. Meaning, if they're uses the weight room no one else can use it.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 17, 2015, 09:40:28 AM
Quote from: wabco on November 17, 2015, 08:24:42 AM
I do not mean this as some negative statement against the Albion students or football team.  BUT: Is there not one successful (in business) football supporter who would alone or with "friends" provide the funds necessary to renovate the press box?  It has been the boat anchor there forever.  Recruiting students would be aided (indirectly) by this improvement ... image improved ... the fact that this press box discussion is occurring is a negative killer toward the positive thoughts which are required for Albion to charge a recruit a boat load of tuition as a private liberal arts school and recruit students verses its competition.

Wouldn't it be a super positive to be able to hold a playoff game when you otherwise qualify to be in the playoffs? Wouldn't have happened this year when paired against #7 Wabash ... but could in the future.  NOW is the time to get cooking,  Albion alums !You all are the game changers.  President Ditzler should be receptive to all positive support.  Al - bi - on ... go Albion! 

And ... returning to the focus for this coming game ... FEED MASON, go Wabash D, send Albion back to work on their press box during the winter.  WAF

Albion has a catch 22 with a lot of donors. While we have a large history of athletic success and wonderful stories, there are many in the donor base that want to see more of a focus on academics. I would argue that K, Albion and Hope are the top three schools in the MIAA, but in the GLCA we all fall short. Many donors would like to see that change. Which is admirable but the large picture isn't always there. I think there is also donor fatigue, especially towards athletics. But there is a reason Mauri Ditzler was brought to campus and I think that will change here soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on November 17, 2015, 10:37:56 AM
Mauri Ditzler is a good guy from the leadership strata of Wabash.  Did a fine job as 13 year President of Monmouth. He understands the balance/leadership which comes from the student athletes both on the campus and after.  There is a time for doing and I hope he will be a doer.  I am from Grand Rapids and my sense is that, for whatever reason, Albion has lost a step in that trilogy of Hope, and Albion.  That is why I think this playoff spot is so big for the school.  You are either with THE BEST or with the rest.  Mauri understands this.  Couple up with him.  Make the easy puts first ... there is no time for the guns or butter discussion  or donor fatigue.  Leaders breed other leaders.  I think of Albion as in the "leaders" category.  So alums ... don't get fatigue ... get involved and pursue your passion at the same time.  Albion football is a passion AND a central element in the recruitment of students (simply tote up the number in the 4 years student body as to how many students at one time or another were footballer.  Without having the data, I already know it is a large % (affinity group if you will).  A press box ... not deterred by the "we must plan for a new stadium" group coupled with a new or revitalized theater may be the answer.  Little steps little POSITIVE steps.

Wabash is building a 2 million dollar wrestling practice center which will share dressing rooms with tennis ... while at the same time focusing on a main  mission NOW 4 new dorms costing "X" times that.  Guns and butter must go together.  (The wrestling facility was the brainchild / passion of alumni wrestlers (Wabash finished # 3 in the country in Div. III last year) ... who also ... supported the dorm initiative.  FIND the footballers who will help with football and also will understand the need for the other main foci of Albion.  They are there.

I firmly believe Wabash will win Saturday.  I want Albion to play their hearts out and leave the field proud and bringing pride to Albion.  We play again next fall.  We will have a fun tailgate ... hopefully with Mauri participating ... maybe this is a good step for both.  The Wabash verses Albion games of the past years were both a spirited and a good rivalry. Lets get it going again.

WAF
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2015, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: sac on November 16, 2015, 03:48:54 PM
There are two basketball references here, one IO addressed.  The other was 20 years ago Hope's home basketball court was deemed inadequate the year they were unbeaten forcing them to move to an even more 'inadequate' on campus facility.  Even though Hope had hosted tournament games on the same court and even hosted a women's Final Four only 3 years earlier.


It so happened Albion's coach, Mike Turner, was the head of the Great Lakes Regional committee that year.  He wrongly took some flak from those in Holland for the whole deal, it was the NCAA's decision.

One of the lovely quirks of basketball is that NCAA Tournament games must be played on a 94-foot floor, but regular season games aren't. Holland CC was a few feet short and once that was revealed, it was ruled out as an NCAA Tournament venue.

I think it's all worked out for Hope.

Imagine if we could play football on a short field? Even if that's one that's slightly narrower or just with short end zones (Wrigley aside).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on November 18, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
I would have to agree that the Albion facilities do need some upgrades.  As IO mentioned, part of it is due to donors wanting to focus more on the academic side of things.  But there some internal factors that have kept some of the donations towards football and athletics down.  Part of the issue stems from members of the '94 team not having a warm inclination towards Coach Rundle taking over after Pete Schmidt left. A number of them have said that they would not donate until he is gone.  They worked at spreading that sentiment to a number of players that went through the Schmidt years.  Now I know that this does not account for all, but when Wabco asks about some of the more successful alumni, they would fall into this category.  Another example would be several years back, prior to the current AD being hired at Albion, there were plans to update the locker rooms with wooden lockers.  Like the one's seen at DI and pro level locker rooms.  A lot of the funding was in place but internal issues arose that kept the project from moving forward.  At the time donations had been lined up to get the project started and it would have began with the men's locker rooms first as they take up the most space.  However the plan was scrapped until all funding could be found so that all locker rooms could be done at once.  Now I am not fully up on Title IX and so not sure if maintaining balance in regards to Title IX was the driving factor, but the main rumor at the time was that the Interim/Acting AD was the women's soccer coach and she shot down the plan because she did not want the football locker room to be the first to be updated.  For the years that Albion did not have a true AD, they really struggled to maintain support and move any facilities forward.  It wasn't until the current AD was hired and the office properly reestablished that Albion has seen the improvements and progress it now has. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 18, 2015, 02:20:57 PM
The paint job in Kresge looks nice though. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 18, 2015, 05:56:54 PM
Just wanted to say something about the whole facilities thing being an issue, Depauw hosted Trine in 2010 and they had the worst facilities I had ever played at. Idk how Depauw got to host that game but they did.  We called it DePauwchwitz it was so bad.  Having played games at Albion I see no reason they couldn't host a game if DePauwchwitz could. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on November 18, 2015, 06:45:31 PM
DePauw has completely redone their football, and other, fields.  They've added turf and gotten rid of what used to pass for, and was a disgrace as, a visitors' dressing room.  The old home stands are still there, but they tore down the stands on the opposite side, and they did not replace them.  So they bring in a (small) temporary grandstand during the FB season.  For the Bell Game they bring in a lot of extra seating for both DPU and Wabash.  I'm no fan of stands on one side of the field only, but what they have now is still a significant upgrade.  Because the schools are less than 30 miles apart, and the Monon Bell game is such a classic, Wabash takes its entire roster to Blackstock Stadium when the game is at DPU.  The old "dressing room" had  poor space for maybe 25-40 players (no kidding).  Many Wabash players changed in a tent (no kidding) with plastic windows so anyone could see in (no kidding).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 19, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
Well in 2010 when Depauw had a bad grass field and garbage locker rooms, a far superior Trine team had to travel to DePauwchwitz and play in that squalor.  I just don't think Albion's facilities have that much to do with them not hosting and more to do with no MIAA team being able to be competitive in the playoffs outside of a 3 year stretch by Trine. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 19, 2015, 09:11:53 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 19, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
Well in 2010 when Depauw had a bad grass field and garbage locker rooms, a far superior Trine team had to travel to DePauwchwitz and play in that squalor.  I just don't think Albion's facilities have that much to do with them not hosting and more to do with no MIAA team being able to be competitive in the playoffs outside of a 3 year stretch by Trine.

Facilities for NCAA post-season events have nothing to do with "quality" but rather can they check a box as having a space that does "X" or satisfies a certain set of conditions. Quality doesn't matter.

I really don't think the NCAA looks at what was done previously in the play offs, whether it was Trine's run five years ago or Albion's run twenty years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 19, 2015, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 19, 2015, 09:11:53 AM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 19, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
Well in 2010 when Depauw had a bad grass field and garbage locker rooms, a far superior Trine team had to travel to DePauwchwitz and play in that squalor.  I just don't think Albion's facilities have that much to do with them not hosting and more to do with no MIAA team being able to be competitive in the playoffs outside of a 3 year stretch by Trine.

Facilities for NCAA post-season events have nothing to do with "quality" but rather can they check a box as having a space that does "X" or satisfies a certain set of conditions. Quality doesn't matter.

I really don't think the NCAA looks at what was done previously in the play offs, whether it was Trine's run five years ago or Albion's run twenty years ago.

Quality is a factor, it just kind of depends how you define quality.  It certainly is not the sole factor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on November 19, 2015, 12:04:09 PM
Didn't Adrian host a game in the not-too-distant past?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 19, 2015, 12:06:24 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 19, 2015, 12:04:09 PM
Didn't Adrian host a game in the not-too-distant past?

2012 they hosted Franklin. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 19, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Quote from: Cousin Eddie on November 18, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
I would have to agree that the Albion facilities do need some upgrades.  As IO mentioned, part of it is due to donors wanting to focus more on the academic side of things.  But there some internal factors that have kept some of the donations towards football and athletics down.  Part of the issue stems from members of the '94 team not having a warm inclination towards Coach Rundle taking over after Pete Schmidt left. A number of them have said that they would not donate until he is gone.  They worked at spreading that sentiment to a number of players that went through the Schmidt years.  Now I know that this does not account for all, but when Wabco asks about some of the more successful alumni, they would fall into this category.  Another example would be several years back, prior to the current AD being hired at Albion, there were plans to update the locker rooms with wooden lockers.  Like the one's seen at DI and pro level locker rooms.  A lot of the funding was in place but internal issues arose that kept the project from moving forward.  At the time donations had been lined up to get the project started and it would have began with the men's locker rooms first as they take up the most space.  However the plan was scrapped until all funding could be found so that all locker rooms could be done at once.  Now I am not fully up on Title IX and so not sure if maintaining balance in regards to Title IX was the driving factor, but the main rumor at the time was that the Interim/Acting AD was the women's soccer coach and she shot down the plan because she did not want the football locker room to be the first to be updated.  For the years that Albion did not have a true AD, they really struggled to maintain support and move any facilities forward.  It wasn't until the current AD was hired and the office properly reestablished that Albion has seen the improvements and progress it now has.

I can't attest to the ins and outs for the Rundle/Schmidt thing. But I do know there are a lot of '94 players who feel that the College could do more to honor them. I would also argue that while there are many '94 graduates that are hitting their stride they probably haven't accumulated wealth to the point of providing significant gifts yet. There was, and I do think somewhat still, an internal struggle for funding athletics. They do not want to be seen as leading the pack or pulling an Adrian by investing solely in athletics, but it really has put them in a "catch up" position. I love the armchair fundraisers who just say "go find someone who will give you the money!" I'm sure the new leadership is doing that, but I don't think it's simply that easy. Albion has some incredibly successful alumni for a small school - but the case for support seems to fall on academics  and now the town.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2015, 08:45:52 PM
Gentlemen:

In response to Cousin Eddie's comments, I do know some aspects about the Rundle "thing", however, I am not going to "air dirty laundry" here. This is not the appropriate forum to do so, rather that is a topic for good dinner's conversation sometime. ;) Suffice to say, there is some animosity there among many factions.  Nonetheless, I would agree with you that perhaps most of the '94 team members are not in a position to make major contributions to any proposed Albion athletic fund.  Yet, at the same time, every little amount helps and I do not believe that it wouldn't be possible raise a significant amount that would be of importance.  And it's just my opinion, yet if I were involved in assisting to organize such a fund, I would not hesitate to put it to the administration that "we" wanted it for athletics-at least for that campaign.  I'm sure the Albion administration would not want to lose a fair amount of alumni donors who would most likely support future funding for academics IF their gifts designated for athletics were accepted for what they prefer.  Once the athletic facilities upgrade is completed (i.e. that funding would obviously not go on forever), then I can't imagine the former players wouldn't donate to the other college fundraising programs. 

Also, you have twice now referred to "pulling an Adrian".  When the Adrian administration first unveiled that plan, there was a lot of flack from some various outsiders thrown at them for doing so.  However, in accessing the overall idea in the end, it was the appropriate strategic plan to implement.  The full time enrollment had fallen to a "new era" all time low, below the 1,000 mark.  By adding men's and women's hockey and men's and women's lacrosse, those 4 at the very least, brought in a ton of $ (tuition at the time was ~$33,000 per year).  The cost for coaches's salaries and cost of the programs were not that much eventually-of course, it helped that two wealthy alumns donated $2 million+ for the on-campus ice arena.  Adrian also has 2 club collegiate hockey AHCA teams, plus the skating teams, all of which fill the ice arean.  Plus, to my understanding, renting out ice skating time to the public (if that is still done-I was told it was initially) brings in additional funds to cover the operating costs. 

In all, this plan brought in a substantial number of student-athletes, which brought stability to the overall enrollment, keeping it where it is today.  It was also my understanding that administration wants to keep the enrollment at 1,700 tops, although I do not doubt they could support having substantially more.  In conclusion, I did not intend the above to be a negative missive towards you, rather just thought I would share a little of what I know and/or was told from some reliable sources about some of these aspects.  The plan might not work or be appropriate for other colleges, however, for Adrian, it appears to have been successful for what it was intended for.  Just MO.  :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 20, 2015, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 19, 2015, 08:45:52 PM
Gentlemen:

In response to Cousin Eddie's comments, I do know some aspects about the Rundle "thing", however, I am not going to "air dirty laundry" here. This is not the appropriate forum to do so, rather that is a topic for good dinner's conversation sometime. ;) Suffice to say, there is some animosity there among many factions.  Nonetheless, I would agree with you that perhaps most of the '94 team members are not in a position to make major contributions to any proposed Albion athletic fund.  Yet, at the same time, every little amount helps and I do not believe that it wouldn't be possible raise a significant amount that would be of importance.  And it's just my opinion, yet if I were involved in assisting to organize such a fund, I would not hesitate to put it to the administration that "we" wanted it for athletics-at least for that campaign.  I'm sure the Albion administration would not want to lose a fair amount of alumni donors who would most likely support future funding for academics IF their gifts designated for athletics were accepted for what they prefer.  Once the athletic facilities upgrade is completed (i.e. that funding would obviously not go on forever), then I can't imagine the former players wouldn't donate to the other college fundraising programs. 

Also, you have twice now referred to "pulling an Adrian".  When the Adrian administration first unveiled that plan, there was a lot of flack from some various outsiders thrown at them for doing so.  However, in accessing the overall idea in the end, it was the appropriate strategic plan to implement.  The full time enrollment had fallen to a "new era" all time low, below the 1,000 mark.  By adding men's and women's hockey and men's and women's lacrosse, those 4 at the very least, brought in a ton of $ (tuition at the time was ~$33,000 per year).  The cost for coaches's salaries and cost of the programs were not that much eventually-of course, it helped that two wealthy alumns donated $2 million+ for the on-campus ice arena.  Adrian also has 2 club collegiate hockey AHCA teams, plus the skating teams, all of which fill the ice arean.  Plus, to my understanding, renting out ice skating time to the public (if that is still done-I was told it was initially) brings in additional funds to cover the operating costs. 

In all, this plan brought in a substantial number of student-athletes, which brought stability to the overall enrollment, keeping it where it is today.  It was also my understanding that administration wants to keep the enrollment at 1,700 tops, although I do not doubt they could support having substantially more.  In conclusion, I did not intend the above to be a negative missive towards you, rather just thought I would share a little of what I know and/or was told from some reliable sources about some of these aspects.  The plan might not work or be appropriate for other colleges, however, for Adrian, it appears to have been successful for what it was intended for.  Just MO.  :)

My comments regarding Adrian are most likely biased, yet I still think it's a fair point.

Adrian decided to take on a large amount of debt (as well as found some wealthy donors) with the idea of "if you build it they will come". Adrian has invested a TON of money with the philosophy of building facilities that are unmatched in order to attract students. For the most part, this is a decent strategy and it has worked in their favor. They certainly have turned around the admission numbers and now need to invest in retaining and increasing the academic component. Adrian made a risky gamble and I'm not sure Albion is willing to make that same gamble.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 20, 2015, 02:54:07 PM
Adrian was able to take on debt, solely because its amount of operating debt was a fraction of most schools of its like and size. This was part of the reason for the decline, no upgrades to anything, no money spent on anything. I was there during the lean years  2000-2004 and have been associated with the College since then and the turn around is remarkable.

The upgrades that have recently been applied to academic facilities are not as widely acknowledged but none the less impressive with all facilities on campus getting major upgrades with the addition of  specialty programs and several masters degree programs as well (Athletic Training, Accounting, Industrial Chemistry, Criminal Justice, Teacher Education and Sports Administration and Leadership). There have also been some major private donations, including off hand a $20 million dollar gift in 2011 and there was major private money for the baseball stadium, ice arena and tennis courts. The endowment is up as well which is another net positive and donations have been much more forthcoming overall since improvements have been made. The commitment to the College from the Administration has driven positive developments across the board.

The reality is before Docking came aboard with a plan, the College was dying. The 2nd semester numbers hovered around 800 and the admission criteria were such that the school suffered a lack of regard and the football team played in a shared HS stadium with no locker room (we sat on a tire under a tree at halftime, true story). This is the same strategy which was partially implemented at Washington and Jefferson when Docking was there as well.

Since that time enrollment is now up to around 1600, the academic requirements are far more stringent and the College is far healthier and more robust across the board than at any point in its history. It was actually just announced this week that there will be a further development of an on campus medical clinic that is a joint venture with Promedica that will provide high quality on campus health care as well as added experience in the athletic training and health studies programs.

Re: The ice arena they still do rent ice time, community skates, an over 30 hockey league and junior programs as well as skating lessons. The facility is well used.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2015, 10:13:09 PM
IoTriumphe and ADAWG:

Appreciate the follow-up details.  As you say, IoT, the Adrian Model (A.M.) will not work for every school and I believe you are correct that it would most likely not for Albion.  And ADWAG, I knew you obviously knew about the details of the A.M. having played there.  While I knew many of those details you shared (one of my son-in-law's father knows your school's President), however, being an "outsider" I believed it more appropriate that I keep my "description" in a more general sense.  Nonetheless, thanks for sharing that.

Anyway, turning back to tomorrow's first round, what  do you guys (and/or any other of our MIAA board posters here) think about how Albion will do against Wabash?  I do hope it warms up for the game(s) tomorrow for everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2015, 10:13:09 PM
IoTriumphe and ADAWG:

Appreciate the follow-up details.  As you say, IoT, the Adrian Model (A.M.) will not work for every school and I believe you are correct that it would most likely not for Albion.  And ADWAG, I knew you obviously knew about the details of the A.M. having played and now coaching there.  While I knew many of those details you shared (one of my son-in-law's father knows your school's President), however, being an "outsider" I believed it more appropriate that I keep my "description" in a more general sense.  Nonetheless, thanks for sharing that.

Anyway, turning back to tomorrow's first round, what  do you guys (and/or any other of our MIAA board posters here) think about how Albion will do against Wabash?  I do hope it warms up for the game(s) tomorrow for everyone.

With their offense, I think Albion has a 'puncher's chance' at an upset.  But my head says the Wabash defense will stifle that incredible offense, and Wabash wins by several TDs.  I hope to be proven wrong! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2015, 01:15:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 20, 2015, 10:13:09 PM
IoTriumphe and ADAWG:

Appreciate the follow-up details.  As you say, IoT, the Adrian Model (A.M.) will not work for every school and I believe you are correct that it would most likely not for Albion.  And ADWAG, I knew you obviously knew about the details of the A.M. having played and now coaching there.  While I knew many of those details you shared (one of my son-in-law's father knows your school's President), however, being an "outsider" I believed it more appropriate that I keep my "description" in a more general sense.  Nonetheless, thanks for sharing that.

Anyway, turning back to tomorrow's first round, what  do you guys (and/or any other of our MIAA board posters here) think about how Albion will do against Wabash?  I do hope it warms up for the game(s) tomorrow for everyone.

With their offense, I think Albion has a 'puncher's chance' at an upset.  But my head says the Wabash defense will stifle that incredible offense, and Wabash wins by several TDs.  I hope to be proven wrong! ;D

Well, my friend Mr. Ypsi, I tend to think you are/will probably be right.  It would be an upset for sure and a big plus for the MIAA.  However, after seeing Albion play in person, I don't think that is going to happen, especially down at Wabash's home stadium.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Wabash Hokie on November 21, 2015, 08:18:17 AM
The weather is not going to be doing Albion any favors.  It is a wet and windy track right now and only going to get worse during the game as snow is on the way.  The wind will make it tough on the downfield passing game for both teams.   Albion has a great short passing scheme so the wind may not play as much of a factor.  Good luck to both teams and safe travels to the fans.  Heading out in a few minutes - getting bundled up and bringing an ample supply of antifreeze.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2015, 10:30:29 AM
Wabash Hokie:

You are long gone "out the door" by now as I post this.  Anyway, I agree with you.  The wet conditions (and if any wind as well) will not help Albion.  They played "okay" in those same conditions against us (Hope).  IMO and the same of many other people, that basically made the game a more even match, which Hope almost won at the last seconds of the game (but blew our chance).

Yes, good luck to both teams today.  Safe travels to you and everyone there and back.  Keep warm and hope you enjoy the game.  I ended up not being able to come down for the game, however, like many others, will be watching periodically today for the results of the game and the other playoff scores. (Plus, hoping that Michigan beats Penn State and Ohio State beats Michigan State :)).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2015, 11:57:09 AM
Weather looks absolutely nasty at Wabash. Snow accumulating on field, yard lines shoveled off and its still coming down.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: FyteOnne on November 21, 2015, 01:53:24 PM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 02:03:24 PM

...

In 2004-05 Albion had a very good basketball team and won the right to host the second round game against College of Wooster and the sectionals. Kresge only holds 1000 people and the bleachers were over flowing onto the floor and with in arms length of the court. It was a great atmosphere, a lot of fun, but did not sit well with the NCAA. Especially due to Calvin being in the same sectional, just down the road and with a large fan base. Calvin ended up beating Albion in the Elite Eight and as the low seed and had a larger and better facility in Grand Rapids. The rumor is as soon as the NCAA arrived at Albion they told the then Athletic Director "If I knew what your facility looked like you never would have been allowed to host". I would love to see the box score and attendance numbers, but I doubt it exists.

...



This one?  http://gobrits.com/sports/mbkb/2004-05/Statistics/m312caab.htm

Most of the others from that season:  http://gobrits.com/sports/mbkb/2004-05/Statistics/TEAMSTAT.HTM

Go Brits!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2015, 02:35:47 PM
Score doesnt show it, but the stats do. Wabash defense really doesnt have a good answer for Albion O to this point. Albion moving ball very well but turnovers have hurt. Clear field so far for second half and both offenses look good.

Wabash running game is strong, the Zurek kid is impressive.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2015, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: FyteOnne on November 21, 2015, 01:53:24 PM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 16, 2015, 02:03:24 PM

...

In 2004-05 Albion had a very good basketball team and won the right to host the second round game against College of Wooster and the sectionals. Kresge only holds 1000 people and the bleachers were over flowing onto the floor and with in arms length of the court. It was a great atmosphere, a lot of fun, but did not sit well with the NCAA. Especially due to Calvin being in the same sectional, just down the road and with a large fan base. Calvin ended up beating Albion in the Elite Eight and as the low seed and had a larger and better facility in Grand Rapids. The rumor is as soon as the NCAA arrived at Albion they told the then Athletic Director "If I knew what your facility looked like you never would have been allowed to host". I would love to see the box score and attendance numbers, but I doubt it exists.

...



This one?  http://gobrits.com/sports/mbkb/2004-05/Statistics/m312caab.htm

Most of the others from that season:  http://gobrits.com/sports/mbkb/2004-05/Statistics/TEAMSTAT.HTM

Go Brits!

Typical of the NCAA, they can be jerks at times.  While I support them in some aspect, I don't agree with them on a lot of aspects overall (in general) in many different areas.  If there was an objection or concerns about the facility hosting capabilities (and in the end, it wasn't a problem at all), it was the responsibility of the NCAA representative to have investigated/addressed those well before he even went there.  Obviously, did not do his job very well.  But...all that is "water under the bridge" long ago. ;)

BTW, thanks to IoTriumphe for the statistics of that game.  The attendance for that game was great for the Kresge facility.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2015, 03:11:14 PM
Wabash 35 Albion 14 final.

Albion offense proves its for real, moved the ball pretty much at will all game against an elite defense. I think Wabash was allowing 7.6 pts per game and something like 1.6 yards per carry on the year. Parks 6.5 ypc, Czarneki 7.3 ypc, Bona 5.6 ypc. The story for Albion today was turnovers. 2 fumbles in the first half in nasty conditions and 2 second half INT by Bona really killed the point production, the first INT coming in the redzone. Albion definitely had a chance in that game and Coach Beurers offense, despite the turnovers was very impressive.

The RB, Zurek, from Wabash was a one man band today. 38 carries for 312 yards, 4 TD with a long of 70. HE dropped a TD pass too in the game (Wabash scored anyways).

Congrats to Albion on a fine season. A win for the MIAA would have been good for everyone but just wasnt in the cards today with the way the game played out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2015, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 21, 2015, 03:11:14 PM
Wabash 35 Albion 14 final.

Albion offense proves its for real, moved the ball pretty much at will all game against an elite defense. I think Wabash was allowing 7.6 pts per game and something like 1.6 yards per carry on the year. Parks 6.5 ypc, Czarneki 7.3 ypc, Bona 5.6 ypc. The story for Albion today was turnovers. 2 fumbles in the first half in nasty conditions and 2 second half INT by Bona really killed the point production, the first INT coming in the redzone. Albion definitely had a chance in that game and Coach Beurers offense, despite the turnovers was very impressive.

The RB, Zurek, from Wabash was a one man band today. 38 carries for 312 yards, 4 TD with a long of 70. HE dropped a TD pass too in the game (Wabash scored anyways).

Congrats to Albion on a fine season. A win for the MIAA would have been good for everyone but just wasnt in the cards today with the way the game played out.

Indeed.  I thought the weather conditions might make it a closer match.  However, you can't have turnovers like Albion did and expect to win a game-especially in the playoffs. 

Congrats to Albion on a fine season.  Also, congrats to Wabash.  I'd like to see them continue on.  If they can tighten it up a bit, I think they will have a good chance.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Joe Wally on November 21, 2015, 04:51:01 PM
Congrats to Albion on a good season.  Heck of an offense you run.  Would like to see it under reasonable conditions.  The weather did no favors today.

Safe travels home to the Britons.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: IoTriumphe on November 23, 2015, 09:10:14 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on November 21, 2015, 04:51:01 PM
Congrats to Albion on a good season.  Heck of an offense you run.  Would like to see it under reasonable conditions.  The weather did no favors today.

Safe travels home to the Britons.

As a Briton, I wish the conditions were worse and Albion went with a game plan similar to MSU did against OSU this weekend. Just run the ball a thousand times. While Wabash's back was running downhill for the most part I think the two back system, and a very mobile Bona, Albion may have been able to pull it off. The turnovers did not help anyone.

I really enjoyed the Wabash broadcast, I saw a few other Albion fans on facebook complaining about the announcers, but at the end of the day for a DIII broadcast it was very professional. I really enjoyed hearing Mauri Ditzler during the hour long halftime.

Speaking of halftime, can anyone remember a similar halftime?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2015, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: IoTriumphe on November 23, 2015, 09:10:14 AM
Quote from: Joe Wally on November 21, 2015, 04:51:01 PM
Congrats to Albion on a good season.  Heck of an offense you run.  Would like to see it under reasonable conditions.  The weather did no favors today.

Safe travels home to the Britons.

As a Briton, I wish the conditions were worse and Albion went with a game plan similar to MSU did against OSU this weekend. Just run the ball a thousand times. While Wabash's back was running downhill for the most part I think the two back system, and a very mobile Bona, Albion may have been able to pull it off. The turnovers did not help anyone.

I really enjoyed the Wabash broadcast, I saw a few other Albion fans on facebook complaining about the announcers, but at the end of the day for a DIII broadcast it was very professional. I really enjoyed hearing Mauri Ditzler during the hour long halftime.

Speaking of halftime, can anyone remember a similar halftime?

Yeah, when the weather's bad. I remember a particularly bad set of conditions in the 2007 quarterfinals when Bethel played at Central. We were filling about 45 minutes of halftime that day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2015, 10:37:35 PM
Pat:

Hey grandmaster, where are you and staff going to be this weekend?  I hope perhaps at a game that is in a little warmer climate! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2015, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 23, 2015, 10:37:35 PM
Pat:

Hey grandmaster, where are you and staff going to be this weekend?  I hope perhaps at a game that is in a little warmer climate! ;)

I'm going to be at Wheaton. Adam Turer will be at Wabash and Keith will be at Wesley. Don't know if it will be warmer but hopefully not snowing, because I'm flying.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2015, 10:42:26 PM
High 30s and cloudy, but dry.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2015, 11:21:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2015, 10:42:26 PM
High 30s and cloudy, but dry.

Ah, compared with last Saturday, it's practically Hawaii! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2015, 11:42:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2015, 11:21:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2015, 10:42:26 PM
High 30s and cloudy, but dry.

Ah, compared with last Saturday, it's practically Hawaii! ;D
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2015, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 23, 2015, 10:37:35 PM
Pat:

Hey grandmaster, where are you and staff going to be this weekend?  I hope perhaps at a game that is in a little warmer climate! ;)

I'm going to be at Wheaton. Adam Turer will be at Wabash and Keith will be at Wesley. Don't know if it will be warmer but hopefully not snowing, because I'm flying.

Safe travels and as Mr. Ypsi says, it should be dry.  Just dress warm, even though you will be inside in "the box".  Looking forward to a some good second round games and, of course, the great broadcasts! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 25, 2015, 10:54:48 AM
To all the MIAA posters, have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: desertcat1 on November 25, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.  Safe travels. :-*
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2015, 11:00:22 PM
Thanks desertcat1 and Raider68.  I join you in wishing all my fellow MIAA'ers an enjoyable and blessed Thanksgiving Day and weekend whatever they are doing as well as the same to both of you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
One of the worst kept "secrets" in the "rumor mill" is now official.  Defensive Coordinator D.J. Durkin has left U of Michigan in being named the new Head Coach at the University of Maryland.  This is Michigan's loss, however, a great opportunity for him.  He is a neat guy and great coach and wishing him all the best in the next chapter of his coaching career and his family's life. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on December 03, 2015, 03:52:27 PM
Thought this was pretty interesting

         2008 - 2015            
   school   attendance    games      AVG
1   TRINE     157,711    40     3,943
2   ALBION     95,061      40     2,377
3   HOPE     93,971           40     2,349
4   ADRIAN     83,207           39     2,134
5   OLIVET     59,300      41     1,446
6   ALMA     53,944      38     1,420
7   KZOO     40,546      39     1,040
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 03, 2015, 04:16:01 PM
Uh, maybe Trine football is the only social event in Angola on a Saturday (or Thursday night)?  ;)  This from a guy who grew up across the border in Bryan (with none!)   ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on December 04, 2015, 11:25:40 AM
could be but there isn't much going on in those other towns outside of Kzoo especially in Adrian there is nothing going on, coming from a guy from adrian
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: cave2bens on December 04, 2015, 02:25:46 PM
True that... At least in my day, Green's Pavilion at Devil's Lake still rocked (as did Bledsoe's Beach (Lk James) and Cold Springs (Hamilton Lk)) - assume I'm a few decades older and still do a double-take at mention of "Trine."  ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 07, 2015, 02:45:31 PM
Dean Kreps has resigned as head coach of the Hope football team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 07, 2015, 03:15:12 PM
Quote from: sac on December 07, 2015, 02:45:31 PM
Dean Kreps has resigned as head coach of the Hope football team.

Link to the Holland Sentinel article on Kreps:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/article/20151207/SPORTS/151209304
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 07, 2015, 09:40:42 PM
Holland Sentinel article add nothing new to the announcement as it is the same as Hope College official press release.

I will miss Dean Kreps and am sad that he is stepping down.  He is a great coach and a greater person who cared about his players.  I wish him well in his future endeavors, whatever those may be and/or wherever those may take him and his wife.  Thank you Coach Kreps for all you did and your integrity, perseverance, and dedication. "Keep the Faith" and "Stay the Course".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on December 15, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
Looking to the future a little ... what are the thoughts concerning what next season will being to teams in the conference in the way of success?  I see Hope lost its coach, that is both a challenge as there is often slippage in a change ... yet at the same time, perhaps a younger more energetics coach might be able to get out and work more ardently in the recruiting wars.  (By this ... I do not mean anything negative relating to Coach Krebs ... just that sometimes a change results in a surge of new thoughts/energy.)  It looks like Albion is going to have a pretty massive job to replace that large squad of their graduating seniors which occupied pretty central positions.  Yet ... Albion's "devil be damned" "full speed ahead" type offence may be able to mask some of the lean spots.  Don't have any great knowledge relating to the other schools ... just as a Michigan resident, have always been interested in seeing success in the MIAA.  Just wondered what those closer to the conference and players/coaches ... think the stack of best to worst might be next year (assuming the problems/unknowns of recruitment.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
The MIAA Pick'ems page has disappeared!  We may never know the final results of the postseason pick'ems. :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2015, 07:55:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
The MIAA Pick'ems page has disappeared!  We may never know the final results of the postseason pick'ems. :(

In the same spot it always is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2015, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2015, 07:55:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
The MIAA Pick'ems page has disappeared!  We may never know the final results of the postseason pick'ems. :(

In the same spot it always is.

That's weird - I've been through every pick-ems listing 4 times, and it isn't showing on my computer!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2015, 08:05:52 PM
Are you only looking at new posts? That will eliminate any board where you've read the latest post.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2015, 08:05:52 PM
Are you only looking at new posts? That will eliminate any board where you've read the latest post.

No.  Going to Pick-ems board and specifically repeating it so that ALL listings appear, not just the unread ones.  MIAA has simply disappeared from my screen - I have no clue why.

EDIT: Just checked it again, very slowly line-by-line.  It just ain't there! :(  (When Captain_Joe posts the results, could someone PM them to me?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 24, 2015, 08:47:33 AM
Wishing all the MIAA posters a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year! Safe travels to all. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 25, 2015, 11:02:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2015, 08:05:52 PM
Are you only looking at new posts? That will eliminate any board where you've read the latest post.

No.  Going to Pick-ems board and specifically repeating it so that ALL listings appear, not just the unread ones.  MIAA has simply disappeared from my screen - I have no clue why.

EDIT: Just checked it again, very slowly line-by-line.  It just ain't there! :(  (When Captain_Joe posts the results, could someone PM them to me?)

Sorry I have been buried with work this week. Will be doing them later today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 25, 2015, 11:03:07 AM
Thanks Raider68 and I, too, wish all our MIAA poster friends here a Merry Christmas wherever you are/whatever you are doing!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2016, 08:35:39 PM
WOW!!  I was expecting Alabama to top MSU and for Michigan to beat Florida, but I suspect that anyone who says they expected such total beat-downs is lying. :o

Iowa is getting creamed by Stanford - I guess that can happen when the Big 10 sends its fourth-best team to the Rose Bowl.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GoKnights68 on January 04, 2016, 12:54:19 PM
Anyone hear any news coming about possible candidates for the Hope job?  I've heard some rumors that a couple of successful west michigan high school coaches have applied, but they were just rumors.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2016, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: GoKnights68 on January 04, 2016, 12:54:19 PM
Anyone hear any news coming about possible candidates for the Hope job?  I've heard some rumors that a couple of successful west michigan high school coaches have applied, but they were just rumors.

Hope has been very "tight-lipped" about this entire situation from the beginning and I highly doubt they will make an hint of mention until they are ready to make the final announcement.  I think they learned their lesson when the botched the selection process for a new president about 3-4 years ago, prompting former President and former assistant fb coach/head baseball coach Dr. James Bultman to postpone his retirement for one year.  Also, I have mixed feelings about announcing finalists for candidates.  In some situations, that can be a good, in others, it can not be a good thing, like Olivet did when hiring their current head coach.  Nonetheless, even those of us who might have some insider info would not be at liberty to share that here. 

I sense that Hope may indeed tap into the high school head coaching ranks.  However, IMO (and I'm sure I am not alone in this), it still is a huge step in going even to the DIII ranks from high school.  It is an entirely "different animal" even if one is a highly successful high school coach and not everyone can end up handling it.  However, it will be interesting to see how it turns out at Hope.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gray Fox on January 06, 2016, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2015, 08:05:52 PM
Are you only looking at new posts? That will eliminate any board where you've read the latest post.

No.  Going to Pick-ems board and specifically repeating it so that ALL listings appear, not just the unread ones.  MIAA has simply disappeared from my screen - I have no clue why.

EDIT: Just checked it again, very slowly line-by-line.  It just ain't there! :(  (When Captain_Joe posts the results, could someone PM them to me?)

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6030.1260
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ElDude on January 15, 2016, 05:24:59 PM
Been reading this thread for years and just now decided to join in. You guys are great and obviously well informed. I hope I can be the same.

Anyways, so, is Hope gonna hire a coach or nah? I know D3 recruiting isn't at all like D1 but still, keep waiting and they'll be picking at scraps in June to fill a recruiting class.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ElDude on January 20, 2016, 11:17:01 AM
Answered my own question by doing some twitter stalking. Scoop guy says it could be successful HS coach on west side of the state, a "very young" coordinator from the Midwest (Langs from Wheaton perhaps?), or another coordinator from the Midwest. Said they should have guys on campus next week. With the very little information out there I don't know if I believe him but even bad information is still information right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 20, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
Very sad (but exciting at the same time) news this past week as Alma DC Nate Jensen took the head job at Manchester. Very sad to see Jensen go as he was a wonderful coach and an even better person. IMO he was the best coach Alma has had in the last 10-15 years in the football program. The only person that I would say rivaled him was Steve Stripling who went with Butch Jones to Cincinnati and then eventually became the interim head coach there when Jones left for Tennessee.

Great news for coach Jensen and his personal career. Just a sad time for Scots athletics. He'll be missed largely. As will his great defenses that have been the one and only bright spot of the last few years at Alma
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 20, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
Kind of surprised I have not heard Peter Stuursma's name for Hope's football coach.  Hope grad, took over the EGR program a few years ago.

To be honest, I've actually heard less than anything on this. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 20, 2016, 05:50:52 PM
Quote from: sac on January 20, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
Kind of surprised I have not heard Peter Stuursma's name for Hope's football coach.  Hope grad, took over the EGR program a few years ago.

To be honest, I've actually heard less than anything on this. :-\

sac and ElDude:

As I mentioned to all of you before, Hope selection committee wasn't going to make that process public.  They learned from seeing how the general  administration handled the selection process for President a couple of years ago when Coach/Dr. Bultman retired.  There will be an announcement soon.  Of course, there was/is bound to be some "leaks" via the rumor mill as can always happen anywhere in such a process.  However, we all just have to be patient.   I would tend to think they would want a college assistant who has experience as an offensive or defensive coordinator as opposed to a high school coach.  The jump even to DIII is a huge one, more so in football than basketball (also, please do not misunderstand as I am not saying whatsoever that Sturrsma wouldn't be able it, rather just stating what is a generally accepted observation).  Again, let's be patient. ;)

sfzman:

It's been a long time since we've heard from you.  Nice to see you post here.  Hope all is well with you in your college years now.  Yes, Jenson's leaving Alma is a sad happening for them, however, a great gain for Manchester.  Manchester is a school similar to Alma-smaller enrollment, neat historic campus but with some new buildings and an historic football program, although they have not had top tier success over the years.  Still, doing better in some recent years that in the distant past.  Anyway, all the best to Jenson in this next chapter of his life.  I'm sure Coach P will get a qualified assistant to take Jenson's place on the staff.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GoKnights68 on January 22, 2016, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: sac on January 20, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
Kind of surprised I have not heard Peter Stuursma's name for Hope's football coach.  Hope grad, took over the EGR program a few years ago.

To be honest, I've actually heard less than anything on this. :-\

I have posted this in a couple PMs to people here recently but in the last month I've heard his name pop up on the rumor mill more and more.    Always hard to know the validity, though.   It's pretty tough to imagine he'd leave the friendly confines of EGR where he is king.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 24, 2016, 01:14:40 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope1 on January 24, 2016, 03:45:49 PM
maybe  he did go to hope as coach
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GoKnights68 on January 24, 2016, 05:32:28 PM
Stuursma to Hope. Nice get!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ElDude on January 24, 2016, 06:45:49 PM
Wow, didn't think it'd be him. Tough transition from HS to college ball. It'll be interesting to see how it works out. It's not like they needed a West side guy to get west side kids there since their roster has been packed with them for years but hey, do what ya do Dutchfellas.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 24, 2016, 07:06:41 PM
All of you are a bit premature.  Nothing has been decided as yet.   As usual, the rumor mill is going crazy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 25, 2016, 08:56:05 AM
Officially official
http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/201601258ywi6k

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2016, 11:25:29 AM
Guessing if they made an announcement at 8:30 a.m. today, then it was definitely decided before 7 p.m. last night.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 25, 2016, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: ElDude on January 24, 2016, 06:45:49 PM
Wow, didn't think it'd be him. Tough transition from HS to college ball. It'll be interesting to see how it works out. It's not like they needed a West side guy to get west side kids there since their roster has been packed with them for years but hey, do what ya do Dutchfellas.

I think 7 state championships in 16 seasons, as well as having been a DC and recruiting coordinator for Hope has him pretty well prepped for this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 25, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Actually, it was not Pat.  No definitive answer was in place when I posted last evening (believe me, I know for sure).  As I mentioned, however, at that time (and certainly in the days before) the rumor mill was extremely busy with unofficial and unauthorized information, etc. as it always is in these situations. ;)  Regardless, Stuursma was a good choice.  As noted in the press release, he does have some college coaching experience, so IMO and that of many others, it was among many of the important factors considered, rather than someone who had only high school coaching experience.  Plus, he's "a Hope man"... to play/borrow on that similar phrase used by the University of Michigan when Harbaugh was the choice! :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ElDude on January 25, 2016, 11:33:13 PM
I'd say Coach Kreps announcing it on Twitter before it was "official" makes it pretty official.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 25, 2016, 11:51:05 PM
I'm really more concerned that I think "taking over at EGR" was a few years ago when it was 16. :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2016, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 25, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Actually, it was not Pat.  No definitive answer was in place when I posted last evening (believe me, I know for sure).  As I mentioned, however, at that time (and certainly in the days before) the rumor mill was extremely busy with unofficial and unauthorized information, etc. as it always is in these situations. ;)

You can toe the party line all you want but I'm not a big fan when someone comes on here and suggests people should not talk about something -- you probably have seen that from me previously.

I seriously hope that Hope had its decision in place before that and didn't call up its SID on a Sunday night and ask for a news release to be delivered by 8:30 a.m. Monday morning.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GoKnights68 on January 26, 2016, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 25, 2016, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: ElDude on January 24, 2016, 06:45:49 PM
Wow, didn't think it'd be him. Tough transition from HS to college ball. It'll be interesting to see how it works out. It's not like they needed a West side guy to get west side kids there since their roster has been packed with them for years but hey, do what ya do Dutchfellas.

I think 7 state championships in 16 seasons, as well as having been a DC and recruiting coordinator for Hope has him pretty well prepped for this.


Agree.  I think he'll be highly successful at Hope.  He's obviously not going to be able to pound the ball and run the ball down teams' throats as much at the college level like he did at EGR, but I think Pete is smart enough to adapt quickly.

Going to be weird not seeing Petey on the sideline at Lowell-EGR games or getting in "disagreements" with the GRC coaches at GRC-EGR games
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 26, 2016, 01:51:33 PM
Did Peter run strictly a power offense or did he incorporate spread elements at EGR?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GoKnights68 on January 26, 2016, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: sac on January 26, 2016, 01:51:33 PM
Did Peter run strictly a power offense or did he incorporate spread elements at EGR?

I'd say pretty much always power offense, with the emphasis on utilizing the fullback. 

I would say one of the few criticisms I would have had last year is in the regular season vs Grand Rapids Christian his offense went into a shell in the 2nd half and got stuffed on the run up the middle a bunch , and  they blew a big lead and went on to lose in OT.  His teams in recent years have had some underrated good athletes/play-makers on offense in which I would have "opened it up" a bit more and naturally try some more passing attempts.  But what do I know - Stuursma ended up eventually kicking GRC's ass in the playoffs and taking EGR to the state semi-finals  :)

Stuursma seems to still be the master of halftime adjustments when push comes to shove, and that's always a big thing in football,    to state the obvious.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2016, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2016, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 25, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Actually, it was not Pat.  No definitive answer was in place when I posted last evening (believe me, I know for sure).  As I mentioned, however, at that time (and certainly in the days before) the rumor mill was extremely busy with unofficial and unauthorized information, etc. as it always is in these situations. ;)

You can toe the party line all you want but I'm not a big fan when someone comes on here and suggests people should not talk about something -- you probably have seen that from me previously.

I seriously hope that Hope had its decision in place before that and didn't call up its SID on a Sunday night and ask for a news release to be delivered by 8:30 a.m. Monday morning.

First, Pat, I never said or advocated that people should not talk about something on here.  What I did say/allude to is that unofficial information and rumor gets leaked all the time, unfortunately, when it really shouldn't-you are well aware of that being in the journalism/media profession.  I nor anyone can't stop that from happening whether it is here or wherever.  Nonetheless, I was voicing my opinion here just like everyone else, yet I am the one who gets bashed for it, just because someone else thinks they know more about it and particularly, when I never voiced my opinion in a vindictive manner towards the others.  I was simply sharing what I knew as much as I could.

Second, (and in regards to ElDude's comment), I don't care if Coach Kreps or anyone else announced it on Twitter or not (and I have a great relationship with him, BTW).  The bottom line and truth is that there was no official final decision at the time of the discussions on this board.  I know much more about what the situation was here and how it went down more than you and/or anyone else who posted here, but was keeping that confidential (and still will) by request as well as from a professional standpoint.  Of course, how Hope wants to handle their situation and announcement is their choice.  Perhaps you may have handled it in a different manner and that is fine.  You, obviously and understandably, are unaware of the background in regards to some of this in the "why" it was handled the way it was and with less release of public information regarding the entire process.  Regardless, I will not share anything more about this, but will stand by my statements.  If you want to call that "toeing the party line", then so be it.  The semantics game is always amusing. ;)

Moving on, I agree with the others in that it will be interesting to see how Stuursma moves the program forward.  He is an excellent coach.  A big challenge is ahead of him, yet I'm sure he is up to it.           
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ElDude on January 27, 2016, 08:51:17 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 26, 2016, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2016, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 25, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Actually, it was not Pat.  No definitive answer was in place when I posted last evening (believe me, I know for sure).  As I mentioned, however, at that time (and certainly in the days before) the rumor mill was extremely busy with unofficial and unauthorized information, etc. as it always is in these situations. ;)

You can toe the party line all you want but I'm not a big fan when someone comes on here and suggests people should not talk about something -- you probably have seen that from me previously.

I seriously hope that Hope had its decision in place before that and didn't call up its SID on a Sunday night and ask for a news release to be delivered by 8:30 a.m. Monday morning.

First, Pat, I never said or advocated that people should not talk about something on here.  What I did say/allude to is that unofficial information and rumor gets leaked all the time, unfortunately, when it really shouldn't-you are well aware of that being in the journalism/media profession.  I nor anyone can't stop that from happening whether it is here or wherever.  Nonetheless, I was voicing my opinion here just like everyone else, yet I am the one who gets bashed for it, just because someone else thinks they know more about it and particularly, when I never voiced my opinion in a vindictive manner towards the others.  I was simply sharing what I knew as much as I could.

Second, (and in regards to ElDude's comment), I don't care if Coach Kreps or anyone else announced it on Twitter or not (and I have a great relationship with him, BTW).  The bottom line and truth is that there was no official final decision at the time of the discussions on this board.  I know much more about what the situation was here and how it went down more than you and/or anyone else who posted here, but was keeping that confidential (and still will) by request as well as from a professional standpoint.  Of course, how Hope wants to handle their situation and announcement is their choice.  Perhaps you may have handled it in a different manner and that is fine.  You, obviously and understandably, are unaware of the background in regards to some of this in the "why" it was handled the way it was and with less release of public information regarding the entire process.  Regardless, I will not share anything more about this, but will stand by my statements.  If you want to call that "toeing the party line", then so be it.  The semantics game is always amusing. ;)

Moving on, I agree with the others in that it will be interesting to see how Stuursma moves the program forward.  He is an excellent coach.  A big challenge is ahead of him, yet I'm sure he is up to it.           

Well, that escalated quickly.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2016, 11:54:23 AM
Regardless of a Twitter leak or whatever, I'm just talking about the timing of having no decision (according to your source), and then the real-life appearance of a fully written news release at 8:30 ET the following morning, a Monday. It just doesn't add up. Your source may have told you one thing but the real-life release really strongly suggests otherwise. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 27, 2016, 12:58:39 PM
As it turns out, the window between rumor, accepting job offer and confirmation was very tight.  In other words welcome to the internet age.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 28, 2016, 07:46:13 AM
I would have to imagine that being that Hope gets a pretty good level of media coverage that they would make a huge push for the early Monday morning press release (which we all know is the ideal time to make a positive news release - while Friday late afternoon is your time slot for a negative press release) whether they had their decision made Friday night at 8 or Sunday night at midnight. And like SAC mentioned in the technology age that we're in right now it isn't that difficult to send a few texts, get quotes, and throw together a news release quickly, even if it's at 1 am Sunday night or 7 am Monday morning
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AlmaFan27 on January 28, 2016, 12:46:31 PM
By 9:00pm on Sunday night...it was official.  It just was.  Good luck to Peter.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 27, 2016, 03:04:31 PM
Although sac and a couple of others posted on this over on the MIAA basketball board, anyone have any comments about the Kalamazoo sanctions by the NCAA?  "Creative thinking" with regard to financial aide for student-athletes has gone on at other schools in the conference to some degree in past decades, but, Kalamazoo was dinged for this.  From what has been presented on the official statements by the NCAA committee and Kalamazoo's administration, it appears this was a good intended effort to help admissions,m although unintentional as far as violating the rules.  However, it also appears there is a chance at avoiding the post-season participation ban if the situations in all of their sports are rectified.   

I'm interested in hearing any comments/opinions from some of our Kazoo posters here. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 01, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 27, 2016, 03:04:31 PM
Although sac and a couple of others posted on this over on the MIAA basketball board, anyone have any comments about the Kalamazoo sanctions by the NCAA?  "Creative thinking" with regard to financial aide for student-athletes has gone on at other schools in the conference to some degree in past decades, but, Kalamazoo was dinged for this.  From what has been presented on the official statements by the NCAA committee and Kalamazoo's administration, it appears this was a good intended effort to help admissions,m although unintentional as far as violating the rules.  However, it also appears there is a chance at avoiding the post-season participation ban if the situations in all of their sports are rectified.   

I'm interested in hearing any comments/opinions from some of our Kazoo posters here.

I heard a rumor that one of the baseball HCs in the MIAA got wind of something he thought he could use and reported KC.  This was maybe two years ago and the head baseball coach at KC and the AD had to go to an NCAA seminar on violations and penalities.  From reading the report on the KC website, it sounds as if they already changed/corrected the process for awarding financial aid for any entering student last Fall, and are in the process of adjusting current grants to fit the parameters of the NCAA so all teams will be eligible for post season play.  Who knows what is true and what isn't?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 16, 2016, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on April 01, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 27, 2016, 03:04:31 PM
Although sac and a couple of others posted on this over on the MIAA basketball board, anyone have any comments about the Kalamazoo sanctions by the NCAA?  "Creative thinking" with regard to financial aide for student-athletes has gone on at other schools in the conference to some degree in past decades, but, Kalamazoo was dinged for this.  From what has been presented on the official statements by the NCAA committee and Kalamazoo's administration, it appears this was a good intended effort to help admissions,m although unintentional as far as violating the rules.  However, it also appears there is a chance at avoiding the post-season participation ban if the situations in all of their sports are rectified.   

I'm interested in hearing any comments/opinions from some of our Kazoo posters here.

I heard a rumor that one of the baseball HCs in the MIAA got wind of something he thought he could use and reported KC.  This was maybe two years ago and the head baseball coach at KC and the AD had to go to an NCAA seminar on violations and penalities.  From reading the report on the KC website, it sounds as if they already changed/corrected the process for awarding financial aid for any entering student last Fall, and are in the process of adjusting current grants to fit the parameters of the NCAA so all teams will be eligible for post season play. Who knows what is true and what isn't?

Here's what the NCAA stated  http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/kalamazoo-college-failed-monitor-financial-aid   

I think the key part is 567 student athletes were affected, which is not small and quite baffling how a school like Kalamazoo could make such a mistake in its financial aid process.

Kzoo owned up to it, made changes.  But they sent a letter out to parents that said they were not going to change financial aid awards for 6 varsity sports.  Baseball and M/W Basketball were 3 of them.  Kzoo appealed the post-season bans and the NCAA lifted those bans while the appeal process is completed, so that is why their baseball team was allowed to compete in the MIAA and NCAA tournaments.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 24, 2016, 10:59:43 PM
First a baseball coach that is turning that program around .... now a round ball coach that is committed to doing t
he same ... can football put a sustained together next?  Go Hornets!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 15, 2016, 06:03:14 PM
    MIAA pre-season poll

Team    Points (First-Place Votes)
1.      Adrian    12 (1)
T-2.     Albion    13 (3)
T-2.    Olivet    13 (1)
4.    Trine    17 (2)
5.    Alma    27
6.    Hope    30
7.    Kalamazoo      35


Math wise, a very very weird poll
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: LB40 on August 16, 2016, 09:58:06 AM
Surprised Albion had 3 1st place votes. They are very well coached but replacing that many starters on O will be tough.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 11:41:44 AM
Updates from Kalamazoo. 
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4y2sup/we_are_a_diii_football_program_that_has_suffered/

Sad to see these kids get bullied around by the NCAA like this.  I hope something gets worked out that lets these kids stay at KC and keep playing. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
That's a mess but I see both sides of it. The NCAA is saying Kalamazoo created an unfair environment. How many of those kids would have gone somewhere else if they hadn't been given the incorrect financial aid? That gives Kalamazoo an advantage. However, it's tough on the kids to ask them to pay up right before the semester starts. Probably should have gotten a grace year if the NCAA had any humanity.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 12:04:48 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
That's a mess but I see both sides of it. The NCAA is saying Kalamazoo created an unfair environment. How many of those kids would have gone somewhere else if they hadn't been given the incorrect financial aid? That gives Kalamazoo an advantage. However, it's tough on the kids to ask them to pay up right before the semester starts. Probably should have gotten a grace year if the NCAA had any humanity.

I mean how unfair is it, seriously?  KC is 3-7 and 2-8 the last two years.  What competitive advantage have they received?  I don't understand how there's not a solution to the financial award situation that satisfies the NCAA that doesn't also crush those kids and their families.  Why does the NCAA always have to get THAT specific pound of flesh? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 12:04:48 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
That's a mess but I see both sides of it. The NCAA is saying Kalamazoo created an unfair environment. How many of those kids would have gone somewhere else if they hadn't been given the incorrect financial aid? That gives Kalamazoo an advantage. However, it's tough on the kids to ask them to pay up right before the semester starts. Probably should have gotten a grace year if the NCAA had any humanity.

I mean how unfair is it, seriously?  KC is 3-7 and 2-8 the last two years.  What competitive advantage have they received?  I don't understand how there's not a solution to the financial award situation that satisfies the NCAA that doesn't also crush those kids and their families.  Why does the NCAA always have to get THAT specific pound of flesh?

To be fair, the financial award situation is only a problem if they want to play sports. They can keep their financial aid and drop from the team. So it doesn't have to crush the families or the education. It's disappointing not to be able to play sports, but getting the degree is paramount and sports should be secondary. I sympathize with the kids and think the NCAA is being ridiculously hard given the timing, but keep the money and get your degree.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 12:04:48 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
That's a mess but I see both sides of it. The NCAA is saying Kalamazoo created an unfair environment. How many of those kids would have gone somewhere else if they hadn't been given the incorrect financial aid? That gives Kalamazoo an advantage. However, it's tough on the kids to ask them to pay up right before the semester starts. Probably should have gotten a grace year if the NCAA had any humanity.

I mean how unfair is it, seriously?  KC is 3-7 and 2-8 the last two years.  What competitive advantage have they received?  I don't understand how there's not a solution to the financial award situation that satisfies the NCAA that doesn't also crush those kids and their families.  Why does the NCAA always have to get THAT specific pound of flesh?

To be fair, the financial award situation is only a problem if they want to play sports. They can keep their financial aid and drop from the team. So it doesn't have to crush the families or the education. It's disappointing not to be able to play sports, but getting the degree is paramount and sports should be secondary. I sympathize with the kids and think the NCAA is being ridiculously hard given the timing, but keep the money and get your degree.

That's hardly fair.  The school can award merit-based aid on extracurricular athletics activity in high school for everybody except the students that want to play in college?  That makes negative sense.  I remain of the opinion that there's a way for the NCAA and Kalamazoo to deal with the aid process that doesn't punish the current student-athletes.  Punishment levied on the S-As for a college administration policy error is wrong.  Like egregiously, offensively wrong. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
That's hardly fair.  The school can award merit-based aid on extracurricular athletics activity in high school for everybody except the students that want to play in college?  That makes negative sense.  I remain of the opinion that there's a way for the NCAA and Kalamazoo to deal with the aid process that doesn't punish the current student-athletes.  Punishment levied on the S-As for a college administration policy error is wrong.  Like egregiously, offensively wrong.

I wish they had given them this year to sort it out. But regardless, you have to either take the aid away or take the students off the team. The one area I agree with the NCAA is they can't play while receiving aid based on athletics. That's not DIII any way you cut it, regardless of intention. As I said though, the timing is unacceptable to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
That's hardly fair.  The school can award merit-based aid on extracurricular athletics activity in high school for everybody except the students that want to play in college?  That makes negative sense.  I remain of the opinion that there's a way for the NCAA and Kalamazoo to deal with the aid process that doesn't punish the current student-athletes.  Punishment levied on the S-As for a college administration policy error is wrong.  Like egregiously, offensively wrong.

I wish they had given them this year to sort it out. But regardless, you have to either take the aid away or take the students off the team. The one area I agree with the NCAA is they can't play while receiving aid based on athletics. That's not DIII any way you cut it, regardless of intention. As I said though, the timing is unacceptable to me.

I think that's the source of the issue.  IMO, there's a difference between receiving aid based on having participated in high school athletics and receiving aid as quid pro quo for playing a sport in college.  Those are two different things and I believe smart people can figure out which is which pretty easily, but the NCAA can't be bothered with nuance.  I got merit based aid thanks to all manner of extracurricular and very unathletic nerdery that I was involved in in high school.  I'm not sure why students who participated in a sport- which more often than not was a more intensive and impressive activity than most of my nerdery- shouldn't get similar recognition. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 04:04:23 PM
For the same reason that you can't have a trustee pay for a kid's tuition when he's a football player. The trustee could pay for a kid's tuition if he wasn't a football player, that's a good samaritan, but if he happens to play football, that's an improper benefit. Sorry Susquehanna. The rules are written to keep D3 pretty simple and therefore pretty cheap and easy to manage. No money for athletics. You don't want to open the can of judgement required, and employee the bureaucracy, to start having to weigh intentions and parse the rules. It gets complicated and expensive in a hurry. And we don't want it to be expensive because then fewer schools will participate and there will be fewer opportunities for student athletes to play.

It's better to have a simple rule. No money for athletics. It's easy to understand, should be easy to follow, and easy to enforce.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 04:04:23 PM
You don't want to open the can of judgement required, and employee the bureaucracy, to start having to weigh intentions and parse the rules.

I don't think it's that hard.  We can do it right here.  Did Kalamazoo award aid to football players as compensation for agreeing to play football at Kalamazoo? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 04:04:23 PM
You don't want to open the can of judgement required, and employee the bureaucracy, to start having to weigh intentions and parse the rules.

I don't think it's that hard.  We can do it right here.  Did Kalamazoo award aid to football players as compensation for agreeing to play football at Kalamazoo?

Nope, but they may have gotten some players by offering more aid compared to other schools because they were calculating based on an illegal formula. Either way, not all cases will be as easy as this one. So make an easy rule and follow it. It's not hard. The point isn't the NCAA rule is wrong in my mind. D3 has agreed to abide by it. The point is K'zoo f'd up. Follow the simple rule and this isn't a problem. Mess up the simple rule and people start whining and complaining about how unfair it is. I'll whine and complain the NCAA is being unnecessarily harsh to the kids caught in this trap, but I won't whine and complain about D3 having an easy to follow, black and white rule. That just makes sense for the purposes of the division.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2016, 07:06:10 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2016, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 17, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
That's hardly fair.  The school can award merit-based aid on extracurricular athletics activity in high school for everybody except the students that want to play in college?  That makes negative sense.  I remain of the opinion that there's a way for the NCAA and Kalamazoo to deal with the aid process that doesn't punish the current student-athletes.  Punishment levied on the S-As for a college administration policy error is wrong.  Like egregiously, offensively wrong.

I wish they had given them this year to sort it out. But regardless, you have to either take the aid away or take the students off the team. The one area I agree with the NCAA is they can't play while receiving aid based on athletics. That's not DIII any way you cut it, regardless of intention. As I said though, the timing is unacceptable to me.

I think that's the source of the issue.  IMO, there's a difference between receiving aid based on having participated in high school athletics and receiving aid as quid pro quo for playing a sport in college.

The NCAA's opinion on this is pretty well established, however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on August 17, 2016, 07:58:23 PM
Simply put, how could the administration at Kalamazoo not know about this rule?  Either they did know, and ignored it; or they did not know and, therefore, are hopelessly ignorant about a rule that plays a major role in defining Division III.   As sometimes with the NCAA, the student-athletes suffer for the ignorance/naivete/malfeasance of a school's administration or professionals in charge who should know better.  I'll give the athletic department the benefit of the doubt because at some schools admissions and the athletic department unfortunately don't share information.  While athletics should have no say in the awarding of financial aid, I'm sure that at most places they at least know what the merit scholarship criteria are.  It's no secret that the straightforward NCAA rule is no financial aid based on athletics, either in high school or college.
     And what lousy timing.  Given K'zoo's recent lack of success in football it would not surprise me if some players decide to cash it in and drop off the team so they can afford to finish their education.  And this particularly among students whose families are blindsided by the ruling.  I hope this does not happen, and someone figures out a way to work out the financial hit, but I don't see a quick and positive solution.  Finally, this loss of aid certainly affects those student-athletes whose families struggle financially and who likely will have a hard time coming up with the money to pay fall tuition if their sons want to continue to play.  Maybe loans can bridge the gap, but that puts the less financially able students in a even deeper hole when they graduate.  They and/or their families may already be carrying a heavy loan load.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 18, 2016, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: sigma one on August 17, 2016, 07:58:23 PM
Simply put, how could the administration at Kalamazoo not know about this rule?  Either they did know, and ignored it; or they did not know and, therefore, are hopelessly ignorant about a rule that plays a major role in defining Division III.   As sometimes with the NCAA, the student-athletes suffer for the ignorance/naivete/malfeasance of a school's administration or professionals in charge who should know better.  I'll give the athletic department the benefit of the doubt because at some schools admissions and the athletic department unfortunately don't share information.  While athletics should have no say in the awarding of financial aid, I'm sure that at most places they at least know what the merit scholarship criteria are.  It's no secret that the straightforward NCAA rule is no financial aid based on athletics, either in high school or college.
     And what lousy timing.  Given K'zoo's recent lack of success in football it would not surprise me if some players decide to cash it in and drop off the team so they can afford to finish their education.  And this particularly among students whose families are blindsided by the ruling.  I hope this does not happen, and someone figures out a way to work out the financial hit, but I don't see a quick and positive solution.  Finally, this loss of aid certainly affects those student-athletes whose families struggle financially and who likely will have a hard time coming up with the money to pay fall tuition if their sons want to continue to play.  Maybe loans can bridge the gap, but that puts the less financially able students in a even deeper hole when they graduate.  They and/or their families may already be carrying a heavy loan load.

That's the part that really gets me.  That the NCAA and Kalamazoo can't find a way to deal with the rules violation in a way that doesn't mess up the college experience for those student-athletes.  The NCAA has power.  The school authorities have power.  The students have none and that's why the buck stops on them.  Makes me cringe every time something like this happens.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: AO on August 18, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 18, 2016, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: sigma one on August 17, 2016, 07:58:23 PM
Simply put, how could the administration at Kalamazoo not know about this rule?  Either they did know, and ignored it; or they did not know and, therefore, are hopelessly ignorant about a rule that plays a major role in defining Division III.   As sometimes with the NCAA, the student-athletes suffer for the ignorance/naivete/malfeasance of a school's administration or professionals in charge who should know better.  I'll give the athletic department the benefit of the doubt because at some schools admissions and the athletic department unfortunately don't share information.  While athletics should have no say in the awarding of financial aid, I'm sure that at most places they at least know what the merit scholarship criteria are.  It's no secret that the straightforward NCAA rule is no financial aid based on athletics, either in high school or college.
     And what lousy timing.  Given K'zoo's recent lack of success in football it would not surprise me if some players decide to cash it in and drop off the team so they can afford to finish their education.  And this particularly among students whose families are blindsided by the ruling.  I hope this does not happen, and someone figures out a way to work out the financial hit, but I don't see a quick and positive solution.  Finally, this loss of aid certainly affects those student-athletes whose families struggle financially and who likely will have a hard time coming up with the money to pay fall tuition if their sons want to continue to play.  Maybe loans can bridge the gap, but that puts the less financially able students in a even deeper hole when they graduate.  They and/or their families may already be carrying a heavy loan load.

That's the part that really gets me.  That the NCAA and Kalamazoo can't find a way to deal with the rules violation in a way that doesn't mess up the college experience for those student-athletes.  The NCAA has power.  The school authorities have power.  The students have none and that's why the buck stops on them.  Makes me cringe every time something like this happens.
Is the corrected aid formula now discriminatory against the athletes?  If not, those who received aid based upon athletics in the past still come out ahead compared to those who didn't. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: BashDad on August 19, 2016, 01:09:20 PM
Is the wabash / albion game streaming? There's no link listed on the schedule page.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 19, 2016, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 19, 2016, 01:09:20 PM
Is the wabash / albion game streaming? There's no link listed on the schedule page.

I would assume so.  I'm positive I've watched games streamed from Sprinkle-Sprandle Stadium before. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on August 22, 2016, 07:07:21 PM
Hey gang-

I would love to get an MIAA voter on board for the North Region Fan Poll this year.  If you're interested, shoot me an offline message. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 23, 2016, 01:59:44 PM
formerd3db,

Hope you are doing well! Adrian is picked to win the MIAA, how do you see it? What is the outlook for your Alma Mater? :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 23, 2016, 05:47:13 PM
I'm not d3db but.....

Hope seems young to me, 104 players
Sr. --13
Jr.  --28
So --26
Fr. --37

http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/fball/Coaching_staff/index
Coach Stuursma retained only 1 coach off last years staff, Michael Rickets.  Sigler, Lapciuk and Sampo all worked together at different points in their careers.   Gkekas probably crossed a couple of their paths at Grandville as well, all 4 coaches worked at Grandville at one time or another.  One of the two most interesting hires is Offensive line coach Tony Semple a former Detroit Lion.  The other interesting one is Dan Margitz as LB and strength and conditioning (for all of Hope's athletics), Dan doesn't seem to have any West Michigan ties at all which is an unusual thing for Hope coaches in any sport.  Jackson is back after coaching at Holland Christian last year.

Hope can have a better year than last they were close to winning many of their MIAA games, 3 by 1 possession.   Late game mistakes were really costly for them.

In the non-conference, their opener is the most daunting opponent.  Monmouth went 8-2 last year.  Defiance 2-8, Concordia, Ill 2-8, Concordia, Wi 3-7 are all winnable games.

The MIAA should be really tight again.  Hope was "in" every game they played except maybe Alma and Adrian last year and made big late game mistakes in losses to Kzoo, Olivet, Trine and Albion.  The schedule isn't great with Hope having to play at Adrian where they've won once in 10 years and Albion where they've won once in forever (or something like that) and at Alma, the only opponent that really put the sword to them in the league last year (nobody else had a bigger in game lead than Alma, 18 points)

I wouldn't be surprised if Hope won 6 games, neither would I be surprised if they struggled to win 3 or fewer.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on August 23, 2016, 05:53:48 PM
sac,

Thanks for a great response! +k :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 27, 2016, 10:17:14 PM
Raider68:

My apologies for this very tardy reply, however, yes, thank you to sac for providing an excellent overview.  I pretty much agree with his assessment, except for a couple of minor aspects.  New coach Stuursma actually retained two coaches from last year's staff.  Coach Gkekas returns for his fifth season and coached defensive backs last year with retained DC Coach Ricketts.  Also, I believe the pre-season rankings are about right.  Indeed, smallest turnout for Hope in several years and my observation is that we do not have much size. Unfortunately, I see Hope probably being similar to last year.  If they win more than 3 games, I will be more than pleasantly surprised.  If Hope continues the trend of not avoiding "avoidable" mistakes, it will be the same story. Yet, it is obviously a new coaching staff, so we will see.  Certainly, I hope we win more than the two games we did last year (no pun intended :)).

Also, on a somewhat tangent but semi-related topic regard the smaller turnout, Davenport University, which is fielding its first team this season (they actually had the team last year, however, had only full practices all season), recently has been accepted into NCAA DII in all sports including football (transitioning from the NAIA) and will be joining the GLIAC and the likes of Grand Valley State, Ferris State, Wayne State, Northwood, etc., next year in 2017 season with Hillsdale leaving for an Ohio DII league.  This will, IMO, certainly be an even more significant challenge and difficulty to Hope (and some of the other area MIAA schools) in recruiting. 

Anyway, we know where your Mount stands this year-projected on top as usual! Hope you are doing well. We'll see you around the boards this season.

     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sjfcards on August 28, 2016, 10:37:30 PM
Can anyone on this board provide information on what St. John Fisher can expect from Olivet this Saturday? I know almost nothing about them other than  it looks like they had a great year last year. Any info is appreciated.

I'm excited to see Olivet come to Rochester. I love when Fisher plays teams outside of the East region and I get to see what these other teams have. Let me be the first to say welcome and I hope anyone making the trip has a great experience. Grab a garbage plate while you are in town.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Cousin Eddie on August 30, 2016, 07:15:03 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 19, 2016, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: BashDad on August 19, 2016, 01:09:20 PM
Is the wabash / albion game streaming? There's no link listed on the schedule page.

I would assume so.  I'm positive I've watched games streamed from Sprinkle-Sprandle Stadium before.

BashDad, Albion should be streaming the game.  The link for the video doesn't usually pop up until game day.  The last few years they have run their broadcasts through UStream and should still be the same this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 01, 2016, 04:54:49 PM
Trine University kicks off their 2016 season tonight when they visit Manchester College in North Manchester, IN.  This has been Trine's traditional first game matchup and Manchester always plays them tough at home. 

Trine has a good mixture of returning letter winners with a lot of experience, plus some Freshmen who Coach Abbs says will either start or push for playing time.

Sr Brandon Rooze gets the starting nod at QB.  He split time with Evan Wyse last year when starting QB Taylor Masiewicz went down with a season ending injury. Rooze has the bigger arm while Wyse is more of a dual threat QB.  Lots of returners at RB, 1st team MIAA Mark Wilson, along with Frank Vuocolo and Lamar Carswell all had some big games last year.  Offensive line has everyone back except for the Center position.  WR looks to be the weakness of the offense as Trine lost stud receiver Gage Corner to graduation.  Jr Andrew Bonfiglio will be called on to carry the load, but Coach Abbs says they have recruited a lot of talent at WR, they just need game experience as the college game is so much faster than HS.

Defensively, the DLine will need to play big.  They do return MeLeick Miles and Joseph Griffin, but need other guys to step up, with some Fr here getting in the rotation along the line per Coach Abbs.  At linebacker 1st team MIAA Taylor James returns, but the other LB spots are up for grabs between returnees and a couple Fr.  Same thing in the secondary where only all league CB Marcus Winters returns out of the 4 starters. 

Special teams, we return our punter, Ben Cornell, but the PK and Kickoff duties will probably be split between a couple Fr. 

The league this year is wide open, not much separates the top 4 or 5 teams, but even Alma and Kzoo will be tough outs if you don't come to play.  I think Trine will be fine offensively, the defense will need to hold their own, but with todays spread offenses that is a tall task.  Good luck to all your teams this year!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 02, 2016, 05:21:13 PM
The drive to Dubuque is a bit long from Grand Rapids so I will have to pass on the UD vs. Bethel clash.  But I will be in Holland for Coach Stuursma's Hope College debut.  I hated seeing East Grand Rapids dominate for so many years as our kids went to Forest Hills Central during the Ranger's glory years, but  I wish Coach Stuursma great success at his alma mater.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 03, 2016, 06:04:26 PM
Monmouth ... speed, discipline, passing, defense.

Hope ... no QB protection, couldn't hold blocks, had glimpses of good football but not enough together, looked like a young team.

I'm sure Coach Stuursma learned a lot this afternoon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 03, 2016, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 03, 2016, 06:04:26 PM
Monmouth ... speed, discipline, passing, defense.

Hope ... no QB protection, couldn't hold blocks, had glimpses of good football but not enough together, looked like a young team.

I'm sure Coach Stuursma learned a lot this afternoon.

I fear the number 1 thing he learned is that this will be a l-o-o-o-n-g season!  I expected Monmouth to win; I did NOT expect 44-3. :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on September 04, 2016, 11:53:36 AM
Adrian took care of business against a solid Pacific team in Oregon. They are going to need to get the run game going, 1.8 yards per rush, yikes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on September 04, 2016, 02:24:59 PM
Nobody here really addressed Cards questions prior to the game against Fisher, though most of that has since been answered.  Some questions about Olivet remain however and posters on these boards are probably best to answer it. 

Was their 9-1 season last year perceived as a legitimate uptick or perhaps more of an anomaly?  Did they graduate or otherwise lose star players after the conclusion of last season?  Just trying to get an understanding for what their expectations were heading into the season.  Mainly if this is supposed to be a down season according to the prognosticators and what happened yesterday was to be expected. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 04, 2016, 09:27:33 PM
Olivet has been trending up the last few years.  6-4, 6-4 to last years 9-1.  That follows a 5 year stretch where they went 2-48.

They had a very potent offense last year that averaged 45.4 pts per game.  The MIAA was not a great defensive league and their non-conference opponents went 11-29 overall.  Olivet's playing a  tougher non-conf schedule this year beginning with Fisher.

I can't speak for personnel though their season preview mentions 70 players back this year.  They were picked tied for 2nd in the MIAA but really 2 through 5 and maybe even 6 or 7  is a crap shoot with very little difference between teams.

Bottom line really is that the MIAA just isn't anything more than an average D3 football league in its best years and struggles outside its league for the most part.  Last year was an exception going 20-8, but against a mostly soft schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2016, 09:28:06 PM
boobyhg and cards:

Unfortunately, we have had only a few (actually a couple) of Olivet posters here over the years.  Sorry no one answered cards initial post, although I suspect it was because none of us really know that much about this years team.  However, I will take a "stab" at it (perhaps OC_SID will add, clarify and/or correct any of this if/when he gets a chance or desires to).  I did not consider Olivet's season last year as an anomaly.  I truly thought they would be Albion and win the MIAA title, however, they ended up having their "bad day" of the season (like almost every team has for one game of the year) for that game.  Granted, they have a lot of young players, however, I also thought they would have had a better performance against SJF, although the latter certainly is no slouch team as you guys well know.  Although Olivet historically has been one of the worst team in MIAA history (similar to like Northwestern or Kansas State used to be), they are no longer a dormat of our league.  The current coaching staff is solid appears committed (as does the school and its football alumni) to fielding a competitive team in the league.  Even though they had a couple of bad years in before 2010 and again 2012, as I mentioned, they are no longer the expected doormat.  Looking over their roster this year, again a lot of young players, but large number of returning players (sophs).  I am expecting them to be in the hunt for the title again this year, however, just as with Hope's young team, time will tell, although I imagine the next 2-3 games will be the real indication.  Sorry the above is probably not much help, rather just my own speculation and opinion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2016, 09:36:58 PM
Agree with sac's assessment also.  The MIAA is simply not what it used to be.  I also suspect that with Davenport now going to NCAA Div. II and the GLIAC next year (they play their first official season now as NAIA), that will further significantly effect recruiting for Hope and some of the other MIAA schools.

My thoughts about yesterday's Hope game are pretty much the same as DBQ.  No blocking on either side of the line, young players, smaller size players overall, etc.  However, that was only the first game for Stuursma and staff and the team and disappointing for them as it was for our fans.  I agree with the others as well that it will take quite some time to improve, although I would be happy if it happens sooner! ;)  We all know that regardless of the NCAA level, true instant improvement usually doesn't occur.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on September 04, 2016, 09:48:31 PM
Thank you for the thoughtful responses!  It was nice to see a new opponent from an outside region.  Best of luck to the MIAA going forward  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on September 07, 2016, 01:32:27 AM
If you missed it on the front page, two MIAA players made Team of the Week. LB Jakob Frederick from Kalamazoo and K Cameron Cook from Adrian.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 08, 2016, 10:24:19 AM
d3db

I was with an athlete who was recruited by Hope football/baseball but went to another school due to financial aid award.  He said (I do not know if this is true and is the reason for my question) that if you are Christian Reformed or Reformed you get 1/2 tuition credit (as these religious denominations support and/ore affiliated with Hope.  This credit does not apply if - for instance you are Catholic.  First, is this accurate or just blowing off at the Whitecaps Playoff Game while drinking beer?  If so, doesn't that give Hope a leg up in recruiting athletes (as well as others) from these denomination?  And - if so - in light of K College recruiting/finance troubles with NCAA ... if they find a larger amount of these religious athletes verses general population ... does that have/create NCAA iussues as well.

An unrelated comment.  You have several times opined on the burden successful D II institutions in the State of Michigan have placed upon Hope football recruiting. I attended the Wabash verses Albion game this past week and Albion had a large team (and good sized/talented) ... basically all from Michigan.  How are they able to do this if somehow Hope is challenged?

This is not intended to be in any way anti Hope.  Just got curious as to both items this past week after both the football game and running into an athlete recruited by Hope and who chose another school based upon financial situation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 09, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: wabco on September 08, 2016, 10:24:19 AM

An unrelated comment.  You have several times opined on the burden successful D II institutions in the State of Michigan have placed upon Hope football recruiting. I attended the Wabash verses Albion game this past week and Albion had a large team (and good sized/talented) ... basically all from Michigan.  How are they able to do this if somehow Hope is challenged?


Even the Albion teams of today are a far cry from their late 80's and early 90's counterparts.  Everyone in the MIAA has felt the affects of the rise of Michigan D2 football.  Numbers aren't necessarily affected its the overall talent level.


Hope's biggest problem lately is a tuition discount rate which has remained steady vs the most of the rest of the league which have been discounting tuition at much higher rates in recent years.

Quote from: wabco on September 08, 2016, 10:24:19 AM
d3db

I was with an athlete who was recruited by Hope football/baseball but went to another school due to financial aid award.  He said (I do not know if this is true and is the reason for my question) that if you are Christian Reformed or Reformed you get 1/2 tuition credit (as these religious denominations support and/ore affiliated with Hope.  This credit does not apply if - for instance you are Catholic.  First, is this accurate or just blowing off at the Whitecaps Playoff Game while drinking beer?  If so, doesn't that give Hope a leg up in recruiting athletes (as well as others) from these denomination?  And - if so - in light of K College recruiting/finance troubles with NCAA ... if they find a larger amount of these religious athletes verses general population ... does that have/create NCAA iussues as well.


I have never heard of this, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the financial aide formula somehow.  However its highly unlikely an RCA school is discounting CRC applicants.

Hope = RCA
Calvin = CRC
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2016, 07:02:48 PM
wabco:

I have not intentionally avoided replying to your inquiry post.  However, while sac has partially answered some of your questions, I am delaying my reply as I am checking on a couple of aspects for you.  I know the answers for the most part, although I want to check on a couple of additional aspects before relating this to you because I obviously want to make sure I am relaying the actual specifics of the information.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 11, 2016, 02:09:05 AM
8 turnovers is pretty specific.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 11, 2016, 03:00:14 AM
sac, yes it is, although (and I'm sure you know this) I was not talking about today's game! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 12, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
Hope's Fr. QB threw 5 picks Saturday and his QB rating went up over last week. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 20, 2016, 10:37:26 AM
Congratulation to the Hope College offensive line for making the D3 Team of the Week.

http://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2016/week3
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 29, 2016, 01:00:26 PM
Massey ratings going into MIAA play

88.  Olivet
97.  Albion
102.  Adrian
147.  Trine
168.  Alma
173.  Kalamazoo
189.  Hope
<error: file not found>  Calvin


Massey's probability of victory leads to Albion winning the MIAA
1.  Albion 6-0
2.  Olivet 4-1-1  (Adrian game a tossup right now)
2.  Adrian 4-1-1
4.  Trine  3-3
5.  Alma  1-5
5.  Kalamazoo  1-5
5.  Hope 1-5

massey hasn't sorted out Alma, Kzoo, Hope very well yet. 


Saturday:
Olivet @ Hope
Alma @ Kzoo
Adrian @ Albion
Concordia, Il @ Trine

Forecast is for temps in the mid to upper 60's with drizzle and occasional showers, with the late start in Holland, lower temps
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HansenRatings on September 29, 2016, 01:41:16 PM
Here's how my model sees the MIAA race right now

Pool A Probabilities:
73. Albion: 35.36% (4.3-1.7)
89. Trine: 23.56% (3.8-2.2)
94. Olivet: 17.46% (3.6-2.4)
98. Adrian: 14.47% (3.5-2.5)
159. Kalamazoo: 3.41% (2.0-4.0)
161. Hope: 3.23% (2.0-4.0)
166. Alma: 2.51% (1.8-4.2)

Surprised to see Trine so much different between our systems. See more here (http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/09/29/Midish-Season-Outlooks) or here (https://loghan.shinyapps.io/Season_Projections/).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2016, 10:00:55 PM
To Mr. Ypsi and our other friends here:

On a somewhat tangent (but longtime returning topic ;D), it is great to see that CC has Eastern Michigan with a 4-1 record with wins against Wyoming and Bowling Green as well as the two home games having a reported >16,000 attendance.  Granted they got blasted by Missouri and their other wins against some not so great teams, but it is great to see so far.  Of course, there is a long way still to go and some tough tests ahead and all this could change.  Hopefully, though, the momentum can continue; with the exception of Western Michigan, the MAC seems to have more parity this year.

As to other attendance issues, I find it somewhat interesting that despite Hope and other MIAA teams being in a not-so-great conference (as far as conference rankings) and teams like Hope and Albion not doing so well so far, they have outdrawn many of the DII GLIAC teams in attendance, in some cases, by quite some margin.  Interesting that DIII can do that. 

Anyway, disappointing loss last night to Olivet (who I believe again-at least at this point-will be among the top title contenders).  But as for Hope, perhaps they can rebound against Alma next Saturday, although it will be tough because it is at Balhke Stadium and Alma is no slouch team.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 02, 2016, 10:41:52 PM
formerd3bd, #2 son and I figured out last night what has happened at EMU.  The year before he started they went 6-6; the years he was there they never won more than 1 or 2 games; he graduated this past spring - so the jinx is gone! :o ;D

I think if anyone can turn around EMU it is Chris Creighton - I'm just not yet convinced that ANYONE can make them consistently competitive, much less consistently good.  The built-in problems (not least the HUGE shadow of The Big House) are just too daunting.  I'll reserve judgment for a couple of years - and if he CAN do it, they'll probably just lose him to a higher profile school anyway! :P
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 07, 2016, 07:03:00 PM
Current massey ratings:

94.  Adrian
95.  Olivet
131.  Albion
140.  Trine
159.  Alma
184.  Hope
200.  Kalamazoo

Massey really hated Albion's 7 point loss to Adrian and dropped them from 97 to 131, that seems harsh.

Massey's probability of victory standings
1.  Adrian  6-0
2.  Albion  5-1
3.  Olivet   4-2
4.  Trine 3-3 
5.  Alma  2-4
6.  Hope 1-5
7.  Kalamazoo 0-6

Massey likes Albion for #2 even though they have them ranked well behind the Comets, go figure.  Trine is a single digit 'dog' against Adrian, Albion, Olivet at this point, my hunch would be they'll figure in the title chase somehow.

Saturday:

Kalamazoo at Olivet,   Olivet by 21
Albion at Trine,   Albion by 4
Hope at Alma,    Alma by 5

Lakeland at Adrian,   Adrian by 8

Expect a very nice fall day, but a bit on the chilly side given recent weather.  High's in the mid to upper 50's, plenty of sunshine and a chilly and blustery Northwest wind.  It will feel colder than it is probably.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 08, 2016, 05:54:45 PM
Former d3db ... what happened to/with Chris Leigh?  I saw some miscues against Monmouth and he seems to have disappeared.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2016, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 08, 2016, 05:54:45 PM
Former d3db ... what happened to/with Chris Leigh?  I saw some miscues against Monmouth and he seems to have disappeared.

DBQ:

Although I am not involved with his situation at all, nonetheless, due to Federal law i.e. HIPPA rules/regulations, I am not at liberty to divulge the exact nature of the situation.  From what I have heard via the "rumor mill", he apparently has some type of injury and is out indefinitely. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2016, 05:57:46 PM
Wow, Olivet has a reported/listed 6175 attendance at their game yesterday!  That must be a record and no doubt the stadium was jammed and overflowing as the listed capacity is about 2200.  Unfortunately, Kalamazoo is just not very good this year and took a pretty good pounding yesterday, but it looks like Olivet is gathering steam.  It will be interesting to see how they do against the remaining MIAA teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 09, 2016, 06:09:46 PM
At the Alma/Hope game yesterday, a beautiful fall day for football-couldn't have been better.  A nice crowd for Alma's Homecoming, although I definitely thought there were more in the stands than the listed attendance (IMO, it was more like 3000+ since the Alma side was completely full with standing room only and Hope pretty much had the Visitors stands on the opposite side filled.  I also enjoyed a nostalgic tour of Alma's campus with my brother; sorry his team lost. ;D (not really :o ;D :)) Anyway, Hope started out sloppy, fumbles, not executing, etc. and I thought Alma was going to run away with it after they scored first.  However, Alma then faltered and could not forge any offensive drive, while Hope switched to Sr. QB Custer, who seemed to settle them down, running game opened up with Campbell and Alma could not stop them.  Alma had one nice offensive drive in the 4th quarter, but then Hope exploded and that was the end of it.  Alma is a good team, but Hope players did not give up and finished it off, which was nice to see since they haven't really done that in the past few years.  Still, the remaining games will be tough. 

Enjoyed a nostalgic tour at Alma's campus with my brother.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 09, 2016, 09:24:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 09, 2016, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 08, 2016, 05:54:45 PM
Former d3db ... what happened to/with Chris Leigh?  I saw some miscues against Monmouth and he seems to have disappeared.

DBQ:

Although I am not involved with his situation at all, nonetheless, due to Federal law i.e. HIPPA rules/regulations, I am not at liberty to divulge the exact nature of the situation.  From what I have heard via the "rumor mill", he apparently has some type of injury and is out indefinitely.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 10, 2016, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 09, 2016, 09:24:34 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 09, 2016, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 08, 2016, 05:54:45 PM
Former d3db ... what happened to/with Chris Leigh?  I saw some miscues against Monmouth and he seems to have disappeared.

DBQ:

Although I am not involved with his situation at all, nonetheless, due to Federal law i.e. HIPPA rules/regulations, I am not at liberty to divulge the exact nature of the situation.  From what I have heard via the "rumor mill", he apparently has some type of injury and is out indefinitely.

Thank you.

By the way, I really liked watching him play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 11, 2016, 01:23:09 PM
Massey ratings

87.  Olivet
107.  Adrian
122.  Trine
161.  Albion
169.  Hope
178.  Alma
212.  Kalamazoo

Albion took a big dip last week which seemed "harsh" to me, not so much anymore as the Brits tumble to 161 hanging with the Dutchmen who just won their first MIAA game in almost 2 years.

Probability of victory standings

1.  Olivet  6-0
2.  Trine   5-1
3.  Adrian  4-2
4.  Albion 3-3
5.  Hope 2-4
6.  Alma  1-6
7.  Kzoo  0-7

Olivet's cruising win over Kzoo and Adrian beating Lakeland was enough for massey to change its MIAA outcome.  It should be noted in all of the games remaining between Olivet, Adrian, Trine and Albion massey has a 5 point margin or less and win probabilities basically "pick'em" in half  of those.


Saturday:

Olivet at Albion:  Olivet by 3
Trine at Kzoo:   Trine by 17
Hope at Adrian:  Adrian by 11

Aurora at Alma:  Alma by 7

If you liked last Saturday's weather you'll probably love this Saturday with temps in the mid to upper 60's with lots of sun and little breeze.  A potentially perfect Fall Saturday afternoon. *

*-  It's Tuesday, so yeah, that can change.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
What the heck is happening in Holland?! :o  Two weeks ago they lost to Olivet by only 2; then they beat red-hot Alma and today trounced Adrian!  After a prolonged dry spell, are they suddenly back to their accustomed spot as a contender?

Taking up a past topic - EMU went to Athens today and took down Ohio U. (previously unbeaten in MAC play), 27-20.  I'm still a skeptic whether or not ANYONE can make EMU consistently good (or even consistently competitive).  But I am now a true believer that if anyone can, it is one-time Wabash HC, Chris Creighton. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2016, 09:44:30 AM
Well, Mr. Ypsi, it is, indeed, strange.  The real test will now come this Saturday against Trine and then against Albion on November 5th.  We never play well down at Albion and as bad as they seem to be this year, which is a real surprise IMO, that will still be a very tough challenge.  Trine is no push-over either, even though this is our Homecoming game.  And as for Kalamazoo, we should beat them, however, I and everyone else said that last year despite our collapse and they killed us.  So who knows.   Of course, Olivet is now in the "driver's seat" and, as for Hope, even if we end up in a tie for the league title, they would get the AQ obviously by having defeated us.

As to your IWU, seems like a somewhat strange year?

Yes, great to see EMU continue to do well and improve.  I am impressed and surprised so far.  The MAC has much parity this year, but every game is a tough one for everyone, IMO.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 16, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
I would add that it appears our Senior QB has "awoken" to his potential and has been playing well the last 1 1/2 games after taking over for our Freshman in the first half of the Alma game last week.  Running game has been solid all year, but, again, we'll see how that plays out next week.  It would be nice to get a Homecoming win.  We've had some "bumps" on that weekend the last decade as prior to that, at one time, we had 22 consecutive Homecoming wins. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 18, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
Masseyratings, it should be noted I certainly don't like massey because of its accuracy  ;)

73.  Olivet
108.  Trine
125.  Adrian
130.  Hope
161.  Alma
171.  Albion
210.  Kalamazoo

Hope moved up 39 places after shocking Adrian on the road.  Olivet now becomes massey's most favored MIAA squad by a solid margin. 

Probability of victory standings

1.  Olivet 6-0
2.  Trine  5-1
3.  Hope 3-3
3.  Adrian 3-3
3.  Albion 3-3
6.  Alma 1-5
7.  Kalamazoo  0-6

Olivet plays Adrian and Trine to finish the season, massey has them a TD favorite in both games.

Of the 12 conference games remaining massey has a points margin of 7 or less in 7 of them, 8 or less in 8.


Saturday:
Albion at Alma:  Albion by 3
Trine at Hope:  Trine by 3
Kalamazoo at Adrian:  Adrian by 18

Benedictine at Olivet:  Olivet by 14

Saturday looks to be a sunny but cool one with temps in the low 50's and I imagine a breeze of some kind from an untemperature friendly direction.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2016, 11:37:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 18, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
Masseyratings, it should be noted I certainly don't like massey because of its accuracy  ;)

73.  Olivet
108.  Trine
125.  Adrian
130.  Hope
161.  Alma
171.  Albion
210.  Kalamazoo

Hope moved up 39 places after shocking Adrian on the road.  Olivet now becomes massey's most favored MIAA squad by a solid margin. 

Probability of victory standings

1.  Olivet 6-0
2.  Trine  5-1
3.  Hope 3-3
3.  Adrian 3-3
3.  Albion 3-3
6.  Alma 1-5
7.  Kalamazoo  0-6

Olivet plays Adrian and Trine to finish the season, massey has them a TD favorite in both games.

Of the 12 conference games remaining massey has a points margin of 7 or less in 7 of them, 8 or less in 8.


Saturday:
Albion at Alma:  Albion by 3
Trine at Hope:  Trine by 3
Kalamazoo at Adrian:  Adrian by 18

Benedictine at Olivet:  Olivet by 14

Saturday looks to be a sunny but cool one with temps in the low 50's and I imagine a breeze of some kind from an untemperature friendly direction.

Nice work as usual, sac...+k.  The predictions you mention for this Saturday are legit.  Yet, I think that the first two could go either way.  It obviously depends on which Alma and which Hope teams "show up" for their games.  Of course, I'm only basing that on my having seen both Alma and Hope play and not having seen either Albion or Trine play-only going on what I have perceived in seeing their scores and game descriptions.  Although Albion is uncharacteristically winless so far this year, they are always dangerous and you can never count them out.  That is very much like the Michigan/Michigan State game, particularly for this year and, IMO, also last weekend's Michigan State/Northwestern game.  One can never count out Northwestern in this present era. 

Anyway, if the weather report holds true, it will great to have some nice weather, especially for Hope's Homecoming.  I just hope that it will continue the following weeks, especially when we play down at Albion on Nov 5th, but I won't be holding my breath on that one! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 20, 2016, 10:15:40 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 19, 2016, 11:37:19 AM
Quote from: sac on October 18, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
Masseyratings, it should be noted I certainly don't like massey because of its accuracy  ;)

73.  Olivet
108.  Trine
125.  Adrian
130.  Hope
161.  Alma
171.  Albion
210.  Kalamazoo

Hope moved up 39 places after shocking Adrian on the road.  Olivet now becomes massey's most favored MIAA squad by a solid margin. 

Probability of victory standings

1.  Olivet 6-0
2.  Trine  5-1
3.  Hope 3-3
3.  Adrian 3-3
3.  Albion 3-3
6.  Alma 1-5
7.  Kalamazoo  0-6

Olivet plays Adrian and Trine to finish the season, massey has them a TD favorite in both games.

Of the 12 conference games remaining massey has a points margin of 7 or less in 7 of them, 8 or less in 8.


Saturday:
Albion at Alma:  Albion by 3
Trine at Hope:  Trine by 3
Kalamazoo at Adrian:  Adrian by 18

Benedictine at Olivet:  Olivet by 14

Saturday looks to be a sunny but cool one with temps in the low 50's and I imagine a breeze of some kind from an untemperature friendly direction.

Nice work as usual, sac...+k.  The predictions you mention for this Saturday are legit.  Yet, I think that the first two could go either way.  It obviously depends on which Alma and which Hope teams "show up" for their games.  Of course, I'm only basing that on my having seen both Alma and Hope play and not having seen either Albion or Trine play-only going on what I have perceived in seeing their scores and game descriptions.  Although Albion is uncharacteristically winless so far this year, they are always dangerous and you can never count them out.  That is very much like the Michigan/Michigan State game, particularly for this year and, IMO, also last weekend's Michigan State/Northwestern game.  One can never count out Northwestern in this present era. 

Anyway, if the weather report holds true, it will great to have some nice weather, especially for Hope's Homecoming.  I just hope that it will continue the following weeks, especially when we play down at Albion on Nov 5th, but I won't be holding my breath on that one! 

former3db,

Hope your alma mater prevails at your Homecoming! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 20, 2016, 10:21:18 PM
Thanks Raider68.  I believe it will be a close game either way.  Hope your Mount continues to march on, also!  Good to hear from you and I hope all is well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 22, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Hope 31  Trine 7
Alma 37  Albion 14
Adrian 31 Kzoo 13

Olivet 54  Benediction 48 OT


Probably won't happen but it would be something if Hope and Albion went 0-6 in back-to-back years in the MIAA. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 23, 2016, 08:19:56 PM
Well, sac, Hope is playing with a mission right now.  The O line and D line have been blowing people out like crazy the past 3 games (Alma, Adrian and last night Trine), the best overall for quite some time in the opinion of many.  As such, our running game has been literally "a blast".  Also, Trine lost their top RB last night early in the game due to an injury.  It was a nice win for us, great to get back to the usuall tradition of winning Homecoming games (I don't think any of us will forget the streak of 22 straight Homecoming wins).

All that said, despite Albion being no where near what they traditionally are this year, let's not kid ourselves in that we will have to be at the very top of our game when we play them in 2 weeks.  Even since my own playing days way back when (and before then, too ;D), we/Hope never play well at Sprankle-Sprandle Stadium and I sense a very tough game and challenge for us there.  Of course, I hope we win and it will be great, but it will not be a push over, just because Alma and Olivet both crushed Albion.  As I have shared my opinion with others here, I compare it to the Michigan/Michigan State game.  My beloved Michigan always has a tough time at Michigan State, and despite the latter having a terrible season now, don't count them out.  They could easily spoil Michigan's dream for a national championship series (just like Penn State did to Ohio State last night) -I don't have to remind you and others of last year's debacle for Michigan against State on the last play of the game! :P ::) ;D  So Michigan and Hope both better bring our "A" games for those games or it will be a huge disappointment.  But...all that said, I am confident (as long as we don't look past Kazoo next weekend :))

Nice weather for the Homecoming game last evening, although I was a little disappointed in the crowd size-it was nice, but I had hoped for and expected much more.  Anyway, we'll see what happens.  Coach S and his staff has the troops fired up at this point.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 24, 2016, 06:23:26 PM
So ... Hope lost 3 out of 4 early, but now finds itself in contention for the conference title, depending on several scenarios.  Have the Dutchmen improved that much, or is the MIAA that weak?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 24, 2016, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 24, 2016, 06:23:26 PM
So ... Hope lost 3 out of 4 early, but now finds itself in contention for the conference title, depending on several scenarios.  Have the Dutchmen improved that much, or is the MIAA that weak?

While the MIAA will rarely be confused with a power conference, the three teams Hope just beat were not the dregs of the conference - Alma was 3-1 (and game in Alma), Adrian was 3-2 (and game in Adrian), and they monkey-stomped a Trine team that was 5-1.  Contrast this with the turnaround of Mt. St. Joseph, who started 0-3 and has now won 5 straight.  With the exception of beating a solid RHIT team, their wins HAVE all been against the dregs of a conference (HCAC) which is generally ranked even lower than the MIAA.  Hope can justly be very proud of their turnaround.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 24, 2016, 08:18:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

For sure, our MIAA is not what it once was years ago.  However, I will take the wins we've had for sure!  Thanks for the compliments.  Yet, as I have posted elsewhere, the real test for us will be against Albion regardless of their being 0-7 at this present time.  We seem to never play well there (or even get a break once-in-awhile), but we'll see what happens this year.

BTW, your former school Eastern did not embarrass themselves against Western Michigan.  They played a good game and, perhaps, it may have been even closer (or even a different story), had Eastern not fumbled on that almost TD run fumble early in the game! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 28, 2016, 02:46:22 PM
masseyratings for this week

78.  Olivet
115.  Hope
132.  Trine
134.  Adrian
147.  Alma
191.  Albion
213.  Kalamazoo

Its some fairly accurate approximation of the current and likely standings at this point.


probability of victory standings.

Olivet 6-0
Hope  5-1
Trine 4-2
Adrian 3-3
Alma 2-4
Albion 1-5
Kalamazoo 0-6

Massey says 6 of the 9 remaining games are less than 8 points margins.


Saturday's games:
Adrian at Trine   Trine by 3  (elimination game from auto-bid essentially)
Alma at Olivet    Olivet by 14
Kalamazoo at Hope   Hope by 24     shoes!

Rockford at Albion   Albion by 28

Saturday's forecast is breezy but warm with temps in the mid 60's and lots of clouds.  Showers possible the later in the afternoon you go with some steadier rain in the evening.  With all games starting at 1 I would predict dry games for everyone but this is Michigan.


Path to the auto-bid, there are a lot of ways this can go still

Olivet:  win out, drivers seat---(can actually afford a loss depending on who its to and what happens to them)
Hope:  needs to win out, Olivet to lose twice
Adrian and Trine:  win out, Hope lose once.
Alma:  needs to win out, Hope lose once.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2016, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: sac on October 28, 2016, 02:46:22 PM
masseyratings for this week

78.  Olivet
115.  Hope
132.  Trine
134.  Adrian
147.  Alma
191.  Albion
213.  Kalamazoo

Its some fairly accurate approximation of the current and likely standings at this point.


probability of victory standings.

Olivet 6-0
Hope  5-1
Trine 4-2
Adrian 3-3
Alma 2-4
Albion 1-5
Kalamazoo 0-6

Massey says 6 of the 9 remaining games are less than 8 points margins.


Saturday's games:
Adrian at Trine   Trine by 3  (elimination game from auto-bid essentially)
Alma at Olivet    Olivet by 14
Kalamazoo at Hope   Hope by 24     shoes!

Rockford at Albion   Albion by 28

Saturday's forecast is breezy but warm with temps in the mid 60's and lots of clouds.  Showers possible the later in the afternoon you go with some steadier rain in the evening.  With all games starting at 1 I would predict dry games for everyone but this is Michigan.


Path to the auto-bid, there are a lot of ways this can go still

Olivet:  win out, drivers seat---(can actually afford a loss depending on who its to and what happens to them)
Hope:  needs to win out, Olivet to lose twice
Adrian and Trine:  win out, Hope lose once.
Alma:  needs to win out, Hope lose once.

sac, excellent work as usual, +k :)  Quite intricate potential scenarios for each team to gain the AQ to the NCAAs.  I agree with the odds makers that Albion will most likely get its first win this weekend.  I wonder if Olivet can hold out-at times they have been solid, other times wavering.  I would, of course, be most elated if they lose twice and we win out.  Yet, as I mentioned, I am fearful, yet at the same time hopeful and confident about our challenge next week at Morley Fraser Field/old S&S Stadium.

BTW, although this is our board for DIII opinings, you did not provide us with your prediction (and/or desire) for tomorrows Michigan/Michigan State annual bash. ;D  I'm going with my Michigan, but, like the upcoming Hope/Albion game, I still am a little apprehensive.  And please, my friends, no "where is your faith in the old alma mater!" ;D :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2016, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 24, 2016, 08:18:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

For sure, our MIAA is not what it once was years ago.  However, I will take the wins we've had for sure!  Thanks for the compliments.  Yet, as I have posted elsewhere, the real test for us will be against Albion regardless of their being 0-7 at this present time.  We seem to never play well there (or even get a break once-in-awhile), but we'll see what happens this year.

BTW, your former school Eastern did not embarrass themselves against Western Michigan.  They played a good game and, perhaps, it may have been even closer (or even a different story), had Eastern not fumbled on that almost TD run fumble early in the game!

Formerd3db, 

We have long talked about this but I booked my flight and hotel tonight for Salem.  Are you able to make it?  I know you're further away than years past but so am I, having moved to Boston in the past year.

Hope you can and I can buy you that beer.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2016, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 28, 2016, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 24, 2016, 08:18:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

For sure, our MIAA is not what it once was years ago.  However, I will take the wins we've had for sure!  Thanks for the compliments.  Yet, as I have posted elsewhere, the real test for us will be against Albion regardless of their being 0-7 at this present time.  We seem to never play well there (or even get a break once-in-awhile), but we'll see what happens this year.

BTW, your former school Eastern did not embarrass themselves against Western Michigan.  They played a good game and, perhaps, it may have been even closer (or even a different story), had Eastern not fumbled on that almost TD run fumble early in the game!

Formerd3db, 

We have long talked about this but I booked my flight and hotel tonight for Salem.  Are you able to make it?  I know you're further away than years past but so am I, having moved to Boston in the past year.

Hope you can and I can buy you that beer.

My friend SaintsFAN:

Great to hear from you.  Of course, I have followed your posts on some of the other boards.  I will send you a PM in a few minutes regarding yours above.  I hope all is well with you and the family.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 28, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
As to that non-D3 clash in East Podunk (excuse me, Lansing :-[) tomorrow, Moo U. seems to be in total meltdown, and UM has several years of frustration to work out.  I'm predicting a double monkey-stomp (and hoping for a triple!). :o

(Although I'm NEVER absolutely comfortable when playing a rival.  A few seasons ago IWU beat BOTH Wheaton and NCC [only time in the last decade or so to beat them both], but lost to a totally inferior Millikin team that [at least back in my day, not sure if it's still true] was our most 'hated' rival. :P)

With the number of UM players who are graduating or moving to Sundays after this season, next year the Spartans may well take their revenge. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 28, 2016, 09:29:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 28, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
As to that non-D3 clash in East Podunk (excuse me, Lansing :-[) tomorrow, Moo U. seems to be in total meltdown, and UM has several years of frustration to work out.  I'm predicting a double monkey-stomp (and hoping for a triple!). :o

(Although I'm NEVER absolutely comfortable when playing a rival.  A few seasons ago IWU beat BOTH Wheaton and NCC [only time in the last decade or so to beat them both], but lost to a totally inferior Millikin team that [at least back in my day, not sure if it's still true] was our most 'hated' rival. :P)

With the number of UM players who are graduating or moving to Sundays after this season, next year the Spartans may well take their revenge. ;)

I know what you mean, Mr. Ypsi.  On a smaller scale and similar to your story about your IWU above, I recall several years ago in the early 2000s before I "returned home", we were leading the league and then went to Hope and got utterly trounced.  That is always a "blind-sided hit" when such happens.  Anyway, for sure, it would be great to see Michigan win big as you mention, yet you are entirely right in that anything can happen.  Just recall last year at Michigan or that time just 3-4 years ago (I don't recall the exact year) that Dantonio called the fake punt late in the game on 4th down to beat Notre Dame!)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2016, 09:24:26 PM
IF Hope wins at 0-for the conference Albion next Saturday (likely), they finish the conference season at 5-1.

IF Olivet wins at Adrian, and IF Trine beats Alma at home (neither a slam-dunk, but more likely than not), they will enter the final conference-season game at 5-0 and 4-1, respectively.

Therefore, IF Trine wins at Olivet on November 12, there could be a three-way tie among Hope, Olivet, and Trine, all 5-1, with each being 1-1 against the others and undefeated against all other MIAA teams.  Anyone know the tie-break for such a scenario?

(Also, the tie-break for most conferences is just for the AQ, and all tied teams are declared co-champions.  Is that also the case for the MIAA?)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 30, 2016, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2016, 09:24:26 PM
IF Hope wins at 0-for the conference Albion next Saturday (likely), they finish the conference season at 5-1.

IF Olivet wins at Adrian, and IF Trine beats Alma at home (neither a slam-dunk, but more likely than not), they will enter the final conference-season game at 5-0 and 4-1, respectively.

Therefore, IF Trine wins at Olivet on November 12, there could be a three-way tie among Hope, Olivet, and Trine, all 5-1, with each being 1-1 against the others and undefeated against all other MIAA teams.  Anyone know the tie-break for such a scenario?

(Also, the tie-break for most conferences is just for the AQ, and all tied teams are declared co-champions.  Is that also the case for the MIAA?)

Source within the MIAA.....

1) Head-to-head -- everyone goes 1-1 against each other.
2) Results against rest of the MIAA from fourth-place to seventh-place. -- all three would have beaten everyone else.
3) Overall winning percentage -- Olivet and Trine would have equal win percentage (.800), and Hope would drop out.

With Hope dropping out, you revert back to #1 once a team drops out. That is how I read the MIAA manual.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 30, 2016, 01:52:58 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2016, 09:40:21 AM
It sure has been near dead on our MIAA board this season.  As had been mentioned earlier a couple of weeks or so, I am surprised we have not had Olivet posters here (other than OC_SID).  Anyway, anyone have any predictions for tomorrow?  The weather forecast appears to be very nice for tomorrow, which would be great.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 04, 2016, 02:43:00 PM
masseyratings for this week:

80.  Olivet
110.  Hope
122.  Trine
144.  Alma
145.  Adrian
181.  Albion
213.  Kalamazoo

Going into conference play, massey tabbed Adrian as the favorite, they've been sliding down his rankings ever since.



Saturday's games:

Olivet at Adrian  Olivet by 9
Alma at Trine  Trine by 6
Hope at Albion  Hope by 8

Wisconsin Lutheran at Kalamazoo   WLC by 3


As formerd3db mentioned the weather looks positively glorious for the first weekend of November.  Lots of sun, temps already near 60 degrees for the 1pm kickoffs.


The last 3 Hope-Albion games

2013   Albion 34 Hope 31  ---late Albion TD, Hope tying FG hits upright with seconds to play
2014   Albion 37 Hope 36 OT  ---extra point attempt blocked
2015   Albion 21 Hope 20  ---Hope TD with 15 seconds to play, 2pt attempt fails
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 04, 2016, 10:10:50 PM
Thanks, sac.  Once again, I think your predictions are pretty much spot on, although I'm sure that all of us know that any of tomorrow's MIAA games could go either way in such close spreads as you have penned.  Also, appreciate the recap of the last 3 Albion/Hope games.  All of those are painful memories for me and I'm sure all our fellow Hope fans, former coaches, former players and their parents/families, etc.-and that dates all the way back to my own playing days (and before). ;D

Anyway, I'm hoping that we will break the streak against them tomorrow (like Michigan did against Michigan State last weekend).

To everyone traveling to their respective games tomorrow, I wish all a safe trip and enjoyable Saturday at the various college gridirons!

GO HOPE!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 05, 2016, 09:47:00 PM
Hope finally wins one of these close one's with Albion.  16-13


Nice bounce back year for the Dutchmen who'll finish 5-1 in the MIAA.   With Trine losing today and Olivet winning, the Comets clinch at least a share of the MIAA Championship and the auto-bid.  Hope can only hope for a tie for the title if Trine knocks off Olivet next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: dc_has_been on November 06, 2016, 11:20:44 AM
Congrats to Coach P and the Scots on their first winning season since 2006!  It was a pleasure to play for Coach P at Defiance!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 06, 2016, 09:45:56 PM
Great win for Hope yesterday.  A close [er] game just as I predicted, however, Hope really dominated for the first 3 quarters, then temporarily struggled in the 4th quarter and almost (key word is "almost" ;D) faltered trying to give the game away.  However, I give our players (everyone including those on our sidelines and our coaches) great credit for never giving up, holding a final stand and preserving the win.  Congratulations also to our kicker Darren Ford who kicked two long field goals of 46 yards each (he narrowly missed another near 40 yarder) and who now holds the record for the longest field goal in Hope College football history! Congrats to Hope for gaining at least a share of second place-a tie for the title occurs if Olivet loses to Trine next week and if the latter occurs, although I am sad we won't get the auto-bid.  But I add my congrats to Olivet also and we'll see what happens for them next week.

I would just add that I (and many other fans and some former coaches) commented on and were disappointed in the sparse crowd for the game, for such a storied and often heated rivalry that the Albion/Hope football game is.  I'm sorry, but there is no way that there were 3144 people at that game as is listed in the box score summary.  I (and others) did a quick survey count and if there were 700-800 at most, that would be generous.  There was no way there was 1,000 or over at that game.   I certainly can understand the lower attendance since Albion is not having a good year, but it certainly doesn't compare to years past when there is always a rather huge crowd for that game.  Regardless, it was gorgeous weather for a college football Saturday (especially in November) and a stroll on the historic Albion campus and historic stadium is always a highlight for me, bringing back many memories of past games I played in there and have attended.  Also, the new stadium facilities for lacrosse/soccer and baseball and softball at the new athletic additional complex are gorgeous. 

Congrats to Coach Sturs and his staff and our players for a great turnaround season after a slow start. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2016, 03:49:04 PM
masseyratings.com doesn't want to cooperate with me today

Saturday:

Trine at Olivet
Adrian at Alma
Albion at Kzoo

Concordia, WI at Hope

Pretty simple, Olivet wins the MIAA Championship outright with a win, they would tie with Hope with a loss.  Either way the Comets have earned the right to be crushed in the first round of the NCAA playoffs.  Albion square off in an 0-5 vs 0-5 conference battle.  1972 was the last time Albion had a winless vs the MIAA squad.



Weather:

Should be sunny with some passing clouds and will feel a bit more like November 12 than last week.  Temps might creep into the low 50's by the 4th Q.  A little breeze will remind you of the date.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on November 12, 2016, 05:39:33 PM
Good game from Alma. Adrian had chances to put it away but shot themselves in the foot too many times, lots of silly penalties in the second half.

It's the first time since 2001 that Adrian has a losing record, heck of a streak there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 13, 2016, 09:35:46 AM
Final Standings

1.  Olivet   6-0
2.  Hope   5-1
3.  Alma    4-2
4.  Trine    3-3
5.  Adrian  2-4
6.  Kalamazoo 1-5
7.  Albion   0-6

First time Olivet's won back-to-back titles since 1913-1914
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2016, 06:09:40 PM
Som random comments:

1) Congratulations to Olivet for winning the MIAA title.  As sac pointed out, the first back-to-back championships since 1913 and 1914. A great season for them with great attendance/support, including the incredible nearly ~6200 at their Homecoming game.  Wishing them all the best as they represent us in the playoffs.  Projected opponent per Pat and crew (we'll find out for sure in about 1-2 minutes when the selection show starts) is Thomas More at Covington, KY.

2) Congratulations to my alma mater Hope for the biggest single season turnaround in our school's 107 years of collegiate footgball (IMO, we have more years than 107, but that is another story for another time! ;)).  The players deserve great credit for a fantastic turnaround, they did not give up.  Although we were still not a great team and still much improvement to work on, they did a great job as did the coaching staff.  The only "big" disappointment was losing to Olivet in that close game and were it not for that, we'd be going to the playoffs this Saturday.  Congratulations to our two RBs and kicker as those guys had great years-first time for two >1,000 rushers in the same season and school record FGs for this year.

3) I did not see that coming i.e. Kalamazoo blasting Albion.   Wow.   Very crazy as we blasted Kalamazoo, yet had difficulty in putting Albion away.  Very strange. But congratulations to Kazoo's players and Coach Zorbo and his staff for sticking in there is a very difficult season, which was certainly put in a difficult (and unecessary) position by the NCAA.

It will be interesting to see what the first round match-ups are and, of course, the first round results next Saturday.  I'm sure there will be a few disappointed teams and their fans with regards to the selections tonight as always occurs every year.  Someone is going to get slighted.  But...that's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2016, 07:16:00 PM
Alas, the MIAA still gets no respect.  Olivet goes to JCU first round - I'd hoped for something slightly less daunting. 

Maybe JCU will still be celebrating their win over UMU (breaking UMU's streak of 7,896 consecutive regular-season wins).  I fear JCU is probably better than SJF, and I'm sure you recall how that turned out!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Toph on November 13, 2016, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2016, 07:16:00 PM
Alas, the MIAA still gets no respect.  Olivet goes to JCU first round - I'd hoped for something slightly less daunting. 

Maybe JCU will still be celebrating their win over UMU (breaking UMU's streak of 7,896 consecutive regular-season wins).  I fear JCU is probably better than SJF, and I'm sure you recall how that turned out!

JCU is good, but not unbeatable. Having not paid any attention to Olivet and strictly looking at stats, I think the matchup favors Carroll. Good young QB, athletic receivers. It'll be a tough go, but I am not counting any chickens just yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2016, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 13, 2016, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2016, 07:16:00 PM
Alas, the MIAA still gets no respect.  Olivet goes to JCU first round - I'd hoped for something slightly less daunting. 

Maybe JCU will still be celebrating their win over UMU (breaking UMU's streak of 7,896 consecutive regular-season wins).  I fear JCU is probably better than SJF, and I'm sure you recall how that turned out!

JCU is good, but not unbeatable. Having not paid any attention to Olivet and strictly looking at stats, I think the matchup favors Carroll. Good young QB, athletic receivers. It'll be a tough go, but I am not counting any chickens just yet.

Oh, I'm not throwing in the towel! ;)

But ever since Albion came from nowhere to shock the D3 world by winning the Stagg in 1994, if the MIAA has won a single playoff game I can't recall who or when.  I had hoped that Olivet might have earned a 5th or 6th seed, but this appears to be a 7th seed (I'm assuming JCU is the #2).  As Franklin (and now RHIT) has learned, being 'big dog' in a weak conference still doesn't get you squat.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 15, 2016, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2016, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 13, 2016, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2016, 07:16:00 PM
Alas, the MIAA still gets no respect.  Olivet goes to JCU first round - I'd hoped for something slightly less daunting. 

Maybe JCU will still be celebrating their win over UMU (breaking UMU's streak of 7,896 consecutive regular-season wins).  I fear JCU is probably better than SJF, and I'm sure you recall how that turned out!

JCU is good, but not unbeatable. Having not paid any attention to Olivet and strictly looking at stats, I think the matchup favors Carroll. Good young QB, athletic receivers. It'll be a tough go, but I am not counting any chickens just yet.

Oh, I'm not throwing in the towel! ;)

But ever since Albion came from nowhere to shock the D3 world by winning the Stagg in 1994, if the MIAA has won a single playoff game I can't recall who or when.  I had hoped that Olivet might have earned a 5th or 6th seed, but this appears to be a 7th seed (I'm assuming JCU is the #2).  As Franklin (and now RHIT) has learned, being 'big dog' in a weak conference still doesn't get you squat.

Mr. Ypsi:

The last time that an MIAA team won a first round playoff game, since the Albion 1994 National Championship, was Trine in 2010.  They went 10-0 for the regular season, then beat DePauw in the first round 45-35, but lost to UW-Whitewater 45-31 (a measly 1472 in attendance at UW-W's huge Perkins Stadium, which is listed as seating 13,000+; although I won't mock that because UW-W had some crowds of 12, 184 and 11,448 to a couple of their games!).

Trine also advanced past a first round playoff game the year before in 2009 when they beat Case Western Reserve 51-38 but then lost to Wittenberg 34-17  the following week in the second round.  The year prior to that in 2008, Trine lost a first round game  (Hope lost in the first round to Mount Union back in 2006-I can't believe it has been 10 years and that game was against Garcon and Co. I covered the game for us traveling with the team).

Anyway, there are other years that MIAA teams have lost in the first round (including Hope, Adrian, Olivet, Albion and Adrian), but Albion and Trine are the only two who have advanced to the second round (or, again, beyond in Albion's case in 1994).

It would be nice to see Olivet win, and I think they might have a chance, however, there is obviously no room for mistakes at all.  If they commit the latter, JCU will crush them I believe.  But, of course, I am rooting for our MIAA representative.

BTW, what do you think your Eastern Michigan's chances are for winning at least one of their remaining two games (Northern Illinois and Central Michigan)?  It would be nice to see them end up at least 7-5 rather than 6-6 (they might get a better bowl than a "crudy one" if they win the last two). ;D   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2016, 08:54:11 PM
Oh, yeah - I forgot about Trine's Watt era!

EMU has a better record than either NIU or CMU, so why not win 'em both! ;D  Of course, that would just hasten the day that some bigger name school poaches away Coach Creighton, so maybe we better not get greedy! ::) 

#2 son watched MSU finally win a Big 10 game by absolutely destroying Rutgers, and commented that here was finally a Big 10 team that EMU could absolutely dominate (he thought EMU would win by 30+; I suspect he was right).  I'm not sure that even Northwestern back in the bad old days was as pathetic as this year's Rutgers team!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2016, 04:19:41 PM
Some general opining here after this afternoon's games...

I am surprised Olivet got rolled like they did.  Granted, JCU is a good team, however, I really thought Olivet would put up some better scoring numbers than that.  I should have known as Olivet, while doing very well this year, still was a "up and down" team during their games, barely beating Hope, but coming back and winning against others by a fair margin.  Their opening game loss perhaps should have been another indication that, again, the MIAA has a long way to go yet to be more competitive in the NCAA playoffs.  But, if Olivet and the others committ to playing better non-conf games such as SJF, etc (and Hope, Albion going back to playing the likes of Wabash like Albion has, and Wheaton, DePauw, etc.) I think eventually improved showing in the playoffs (like Trine did in their run) is possible.  Nonetheless, congratulations to Olivet players, staff and fans for a very fine season and their MIAA title again.  A neat "return to tradition" for them as far as MIAA fb history goes.

I was surprised to see that only 800 were in attendance for the Thomas More/Witt playoff game today.  I would have expected much more being the schools distance in between is not far at all and both are good teams for the playoffs this year.  Was TMC students on break? I would think not since Thansgiving is not until this next week.  Disappointing IMO.

I was also surprised to see that Monmouth lost to Coe in their 1st round game.  I thought Monmouth would go further.

Mount Union winning after losing last week not surprising.  However, it will not be a "cake walk" for them to get back to the Stagg. Yet, I would not count them out.

Would be interested to hear from you others on today's games.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 22, 2016, 01:43:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2016, 08:54:11 PM
Oh, yeah - I forgot about Trine's Watt era!

EMU has a better record than either NIU or CMU, so why not win 'em both! ;D  Of course, that would just hasten the day that some bigger name school poaches away Coach Creighton, so maybe we better not get greedy! ::) 

#2 son watched MSU finally win a Big 10 game by absolutely destroying Rutgers, and commented that here was finally a Big 10 team that EMU could absolutely dominate (he thought EMU would win by 30+; I suspect he was right).  I'm not sure that even Northwestern back in the bad old days was as pathetic as this year's Rutgers team!

One of Rutgers two wins this year was against 7-4 New Mexico who masseyratings currently has rated ahead of Eastern Michigan.

Rutgers is bad......but they're bad because they're mostly so badly over-matched in the East Division of the Big Ten who at present time has 3 teams ranked in the top 8 of college football a 4th who participated in last years playoff and also played Washington who's in the playoff mix as well.  Rutgers is pretty much 3 plays away from somehow managing 3 wins against Iowa, Minnesota and Indiana and being 5-6 and looking at becoming bowl eligible against Maryland.

I'm in total agreement Rutgers is terrible, I called them the worst Big Ten team I've ever seen in person immediately after the Michigan State game.   Even with some deeper thought on the subject I still think that might be true.  But they could play with EMU because that's their level.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2016, 06:40:16 PM
EMU downed CMU with a late, come-from-behind TD to finish the regular season 7-5, their first winning record in 27 years!  With 6 wins they were already bowl eligible, but not every bowl-eligible team gets an invite, especially if they have no 'rep'.  With 7 wins I'd be shocked if they don't get invites SOMEWHERE for the first time in 29 years.

Since that brings Chris Creighton's three-year record only up to 10-26 (and ONE good season could be a fluke), I don't think we need to worry much about losing him yet.  But if he goes at least 7-5 next year, some bigger name, bigger bucks school in desperate need of a turnaround (Purdue, perhaps?), will probably come calling and he'll be like Ed Chlebek after our last bowl game in 1987 who left for Cal-Berkeley.  Such is life in the 'dregs' of D1! :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 23, 2016, 10:49:20 PM
To all the MIAA posters, have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 24, 2016, 11:04:23 AM
Happy Thanksgiving from the NACC board!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
Some interesting match-ups at the DIII playoffs continue.  I was surprised that Johns Hopkins didn't have an even better showing in their game as compared to previous years in their playoff games.  They seem to be like our MIAA and a couple of other conferences in having difficulty in advancing past the second round.  Anyway, I suspect it will be MHB vs. Mount and UW-W versus Oshkosh for the semis (unless St. Thomas sneaks back in there).

Regarding the DII playoffs, it will be an all-Michigan battle next weekend as Grand Valley State plays Ferris State in the next round.  We'll see if Ferris State can break the jinx and get beyond the 3rd round game.  They've bowed out the last two years in the first or second round game, and one of those after being rated No. 1 in the country for several weeks.

Any predictions for the MAC Championship Game at Ford Field this Friday? Western Michigan vs. Frank Solich's Ohio University team. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 26, 2016, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 26, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
Some interesting match-ups at the DIII playoffs continue.  I was surprised that Johns Hopkins didn't have an even better showing in their game as compared to previous years in their playoff games.  They seem to be like our MIAA and a couple of other conferences in having difficulty in advancing past the second round.  Anyway, I suspect it will be MHB vs. Mount and UW-W versus Oshkosh for the semis (unless St. Thomas sneaks back in there).

Regarding the DII playoffs, it will be an all-Michigan battle next weekend as Grand Valley State plays Ferris State in the next round.  We'll see if Ferris State can break the jinx and get beyond the 3rd round game.  They've bowed out the last two years in the first or second round game, and one of those after being rated No. 1 in the country for several weeks.

Any predictions for the MAC Championship Game at Ford Field this Friday? Western Michigan vs. Frank Solich's Ohio University team.

I'll go with WMU in a romp.  I think it's a shame they have no shot whatsoever at the playoffs, but they certainly deserve a New Year's Day type bowl.

I'll go to my grave convinced that UM beat OSU 27-24 today.  I saw the same replays that the officials saw (and I saw them on a big screen hi-def TV, not the I-Phone sized screen they use 8-)).  Since it was the first set of downs from the 25, it was an easy call.  There is no way the ball ever came within six+ inches of the 15-yard line.  I think they lost their nerve with the thunder of boos that 'greeted' them even reviewing the spot - they feared they'd never leave the stadium alive if they denied the first down.  But it was NOT a first down; it was game over.

Because of the possibility of situations like that, I'm a firm believer that Harbaugh erred in not going for two in the first OT.  When on the road in a huge hostile stadium, go for the win, not the tie.  (I think going last in OT is a much bigger advantage than batting last in baseball.) With weapons like Darboh, Butt, Peppers, etc., they MUST have a play that gives a way over 50% chance of immediately winning, 25-24; and if it failed, a 24-23 loss would go down much better than having the game stolen. :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sigma one on November 27, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
I have no dog in this hunt, being neither a Michigan or Ohio State fan, but there was no way the BALL ever made it to the 15-yard line.  The QB's head was there, and probably the tops of his shoulders, but not the ball.  I don't know what happened to the officials (I don't necessarily think they were intimidated by the crowd), but the best they could argue is that there was no "definitive" evidence to say that it was not a first down after their initial call.   Too bad that the game had to come down to the officials' judgment.
     On another matter, this involving EMU.  I have been friends with CC for many years, since he first arrived at Wabash.  How nice to see his success this year.  Now, if he can only keep it going . . .and I believe he will. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: sigma one on November 27, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
I have no dog in this hunt, being neither a Michigan or Ohio State fan, but there was no way the BALL ever made it to the 15-yard line.  The QB's head was there, and probably the tops of his shoulders, but not the ball.  I don't know what happened to the officials (I don't necessarily think they were intimidated by the crowd), but the best they could argue is that there was no "definitive" evidence to say that it was not a first down after their initial call.   Too bad that the game had to come down to the officials' judgment.
     On another matter, this involving EMU.  I have been friends with CC for many years, since he first arrived at Wabash.  How nice to see his success this year.  Now, if he can only keep it going . . .and I believe he will.

sigma one and Mr. Ypsi:

I was not going to post anything about that (so as to not have people throwing darts and/or directing insults, negative comments, etc.,), however, since you had the courage enough to post your opinion here, I will now do the same.  And I readily admit that I do have bias (or "a dog in the hunt" to use your term/that old phrase ;D).  I agree with you 100%-there was no way the ball crossed and made that 1st down, and that is even being generous in giving the required "forward progress".  I, too, hate to see games come down to that and regardless, of whether or not some people will cite that obvious "that's just part of the game", it should not be.  Despite having instant replay, those who run that and the game officials still make egregious mistakes, and that was one of them.

Of course, there are going to be those detractors (i.e. read Ohio State supporters) who will argue the opposite and that Michigan lost because of their turnovers.  I readily admit that Michigan had their chances to win the game and if they had not fumbled on the 1/2 yard line, they would have won this game and we would not have been discussing this issue.  Those who disagree with us are right in that aspect only-don't make those types of mistakes, score in the red zone, then there is nothing to dispute-period.  However, while that is true, regardless of whether such actions and officials miscalls are "part of the game", that simply should not happen in this day and age.  It was obvious from the beginning that the officials were not going to give Michigan any breaks and their blatent miscalls-acutally non-calls were obvious.  This was not only mentioned by radio announcers (aside from being evident in wathcing on live televsion), and one of the Michigan announcers Dan Dierdorf, despite his being a Michigan alum player, is one of the most unbiased and fair announcers ever in the game (both in the pros and in college) and even he was of this same opinion.  Harbaugh is going to get fined for his comments about the officiating in his post-game press conference, but, aside from the fact that he has the right to say so in relating his opinion, he is right to mention it and I'm glad he broke the silence and did so-I would have done the same (besides, he can afford the fine anyway ;D). 

We've had this general discussion in the past and to those who say that there is no bias in officiating are simply wrong-it does occur.  It is just sad it situations like this will have a factor in the outcome of games-while rare, it continues to do so.  With instant reply, there is no way that should happen-period.  Michigan is out of the national playoff picture now, but still will go to a good bowl game and has had a great season, even if they lose in the bowl.  There are those who said this type of season would never occur for Michigan; this just proves that Harbaugh is, indeed, a very good coach.  One last comment; I think the ESPN crew yesterday in the studio for that game is one of the poorest around-those guys are terrible (I also admit that I am not a fan of ESPN, but that is a different story for another day).  Anyway. I've said my piece and will now wait for the detractors, the usual stone-throwers [and smiters, of course] . ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2016, 06:11:43 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

In additional comment, I do understand your reasoning about possibly going for the two-point conversion.  However, I guess I am just of the opposite opinion on those types of situations.  My philosophy is that, while it is nice and, yes, of courage, to go for the win in a big game like that, it is always better to tie the game and then have the opportunity to go at it again and either win the game or make them beat you.  Perhaps that is just a result of my being conservative in nature and perhaps also from my "defensive back" background. ;D  Again, I would have had no problem with Ohio State beating Michigan yesterday with the former's last play had that miscall not have happened.  You are right-after that 4th down play-the game was over.

Let's hope EMU and Western don't face such officiating or questionable play calls in their bowl games! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
Miscellaneous:

Olivet's attendance numbers for their five home games were 1005, 6175, 1085, 2005, 4025 = 14,395 total for average of 2,579.  Very good for them.

Hope's attendance for five home games was 3095, 1874, 2031, 1401, 1245 = 9,646 total for average of ~1,929.  Okay, but not great, although I personally believe there were more in attendance at the last two games. ;D

For Pat:

I realize it is a lot of work, however, any plans that you (or one of your staff) will put together the average attendance list for all the DIII schools sometime in the off-season after the Stagg Bowl like you have for some years in the past?  That is always interesting to read, at least for us readers in the off-season.  If you aren't. I totally understand, however, if you end up doing it, thanks!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 27, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
Miscellaneous:

Olivet's attendance numbers for their five home games were 1005, 6175, 1085, 2005, 4025 = 14,395 total for average of 2,579.  Very good for them.

Hope's attendance for five home games was 3095, 1874, 2031, 1401, 1245 = 9,646 total for average of ~1,929.  Okay, but not great, although I personally believe there were more in attendance at the last two games. ;D

For Pat:

I realize it is a lot of work, however, any plans that you (or one of your staff) will put together the average attendance list for all the DIII schools sometime in the off-season after the Stagg Bowl like you have for some years in the past?  That is always interesting to read, at least for us readers in the off-season.  If you aren't. I totally understand, however, if you end up doing it, thanks!

It's actually not that much work for me, because mostly we're just republishing a news release the NCAA already issues. We just write a different first few paragraphs. :)

We haven't always gotten that story on the site because it comes during the heavy part of the basketball season, but now with me taking a huge step back on D3hoops.com there's no reason I shouldn't have the ability to get that on D3football.com in February or whenever it comes out.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2016, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 27, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
Miscellaneous:

Olivet's attendance numbers for their five home games were 1005, 6175, 1085, 2005, 4025 = 14,395 total for average of 2,579.  Very good for them.

Hope's attendance for five home games was 3095, 1874, 2031, 1401, 1245 = 9,646 total for average of ~1,929.  Okay, but not great, although I personally believe there were more in attendance at the last two games. ;D

For Pat:

I realize it is a lot of work, however, any plans that you (or one of your staff) will put together the average attendance list for all the DIII schools sometime in the off-season after the Stagg Bowl like you have for some years in the past?  That is always interesting to read, at least for us readers in the off-season.  If you aren't. I totally understand, however, if you end up doing it, thanks!

It's actually not that much work for me, because mostly we're just republishing a news release the NCAA already issues. We just write a different first few paragraphs. :)

We haven't always gotten that story on the site because it comes during the heavy part of the basketball season, but now with me taking a huge step back on D3hoops.com there's no reason I shouldn't have the ability to get that on D3football.com in February or whenever it comes out.

Thanks Pat.  I/we'll look forward to it when it comes out, whenever you get the opportunity to do so depending on your schedule.  Appreciate your time and effort on that.  Also, I guess I missed somewhere that (or otherwise was simply unaware) that you were cutting back on your time spent on D3hoops.com  I, admittedly, do not follow the hoops boards much at all (only occasionally), yet certainly do understand the enormous amount of time it requires for you to oversee that and d3football, etc., etc.  So totally understand you cutting back, but absolutely glad you will continue full-steam with the football! :)  Hope your Thanksgiving with your family was a good one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2016, 11:29:24 PM
Thanks -- it was a great holiday, always my favorite. Hope yours was well.

And yes, full steam on football. All the steam!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2016, 12:41:12 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2016, 11:29:24 PM
Thanks -- it was a great holiday, always my favorite. Hope yours was well.

And yes, full steam on football. All the steam!

You disguise your preferences very well - until fairly recently I thought you were a basketball first sort of guy! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
We definitely had basketball first -- but there's something about the natural weekly flow of football that makes it really a joy to put together. The fact that there are games every day, practically, in basketball, makes it really difficult to create the same sort of weekly rhythm and flow on the website and balance game coverage and features and the rest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 04, 2016, 09:05:34 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I did you purchase your bowl game tickets and book your flight and hotel reservations in the Bahamas yet for Eastern Michigan's big trip? ;D :)  Good luck to Eastern.

In other topics:  I was very surprised to see that Ferris State upset Grand Valley State at the latter's stadium yesterday in the NCAA Div. II quarterfinals.  Grand Valley was ranked No. 2 in the nation, there were +12,000 at the game (a little less than their usual ~16, 000 for home games).  Great accomplishment for Ferris State, however, they will have a tough test next weekend in the semis because the play perennially tough Northwest Missouri State, who has won the DII championship before if I recall correctly.  Regardless, this is as far as Ferris State has advanced in the playoffs since 1995.  The last two years, they have been knocked off in the first round, one of those years, they were ranked No. 1 in the nation.  Good luck to them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2016, 10:04:15 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 04, 2016, 09:05:34 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I did you purchase your bowl game tickets and book your flight and hotel reservations in the Bahamas yet for Eastern Michigan's big trip? ;D :)  Good luck to Eastern.

In other topics:  I was very surprised to see that Ferris State upset Grand Valley State at the latter's stadium yesterday in the NCAA Div. II quarterfinals.  Grand Valley was ranked No. 2 in the nation, there were +12,000 at the game (a little less than their usual ~16, 000 for home games).  Great accomplishment for Ferris State, however, they will have a tough test next weekend in the semis because the play perennially tough Northwest Missouri State, who has won the DII championship before if I recall correctly.  Regardless, this is as far as Ferris State has advanced in the playoffs since 1995.  The last two years, they have been knocked off in the first round, one of those years, they were ranked No. 1 in the nation.  Good luck to them.

Nope.  Haven't even been to Rynearson in a few years.  By the time I realized these guys might be for real, it was getting too cold to enjoy.  We took a real nice late winter trip to the southwest last winter (record highs in New Mexico), but going to the Bahamas in early winter would be too painful.  With a late winter sunshine trip, you return to early spring; with an early winter trip to the tropics you come back to a LONG winter (and have lost any advantage of starting to get used to the cold! :() 

I admit I assumed GVSU would have little trouble with Ferris St.  I think GVSU might have handled NWMS, but I suspect Ferris will have trouble.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 04, 2016, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 04, 2016, 09:05:34 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I did you purchase your bowl game tickets and book your flight and hotel reservations in the Bahamas yet for Eastern Michigan's big trip? ;D :)  Good luck to Eastern.

In other topics:  I was very surprised to see that Ferris State upset Grand Valley State at the latter's stadium yesterday in the NCAA Div. II quarterfinals.  Grand Valley was ranked No. 2 in the nation, there were +12,000 at the game (a little less than their usual ~16, 000 for home games).  Great accomplishment for Ferris State, however, they will have a tough test next weekend in the semis because the play perennially tough Northwest Missouri State, who has won the DII championship before if I recall correctly.  Regardless, this is as far as Ferris State has advanced in the playoffs since 1995.  The last two years, they have been knocked off in the first round, one of those years, they were ranked No. 1 in the nation.  Good luck to them.

NW Missouri St. has won 2 of the last 3 titles and 5 overall and are defending champions.  They have the rather dubious distinction of having lost 4 straight national championship games from 2005 to 2008.  (twice to GVSU) but playing for the D2 title 9 times in 19 years you run that risk I guess.


NWMSt was the opponent during a semi-final game when GVSU was losing.  GVSU Coach Chuck Martin decided very late in the game in absolutely awful cold rainy conditions to run across the field to tell the NWMSt. coach he would not call timeout to stop the clock and to just run the ball into the line.  One of the oddest things I remember seeing during a game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 05, 2016, 08:46:16 AM
I was at the Grand Valley - Ferris game and also was surprised at the outcome.  The Lakers fell behind early 5-0    (safety and fg) and never quite got into sync.  Some big Laker plays were answered immediately by Ferris and even when GVSU closed to within 2 at the half and then went ahead with a good drive to open the third quarter, Ferris came right back and maintained control for the rest of the game.  I wouldn't underestimate Ferris against Northwest Missouri. Tony Anneise has matured as a college coach and the Bulldogs should give a good accounting of themselves.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
As far as Michigan MAC coaches:  I think EMU is safe from "poaching" for at least one more year, but would be surprised if WMU's Coach Fleck doesn't get "an offer you can't refuse".  Anyone have a guess on where he coaches next season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 08, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
As far as Michigan MAC coaches:  I think EMU is safe from "poaching" for at least one more year, but would be surprised if WMU's Coach Fleck doesn't get "an offer you can't refuse".  Anyone have a guess on where he coaches next season?

I would've thought he was the ideal candidate for the Purdue.  Midwest guy.  Grew up about two hours from West Lafayette.  I definitely think I like him better than Jeff Brohm there. 

Cincinnati is the only other one that's intriguing, but IMO I think he's better off at Western than Cincy. (And as far as I'm aware there hasn't been a peep about his name and that job)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 14, 2016, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on December 08, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
As far as Michigan MAC coaches:  I think EMU is safe from "poaching" for at least one more year, but would be surprised if WMU's Coach Fleck doesn't get "an offer you can't refuse".  Anyone have a guess on where he coaches next season?

I would've thought he was the ideal candidate for the Purdue.  Midwest guy.  Grew up about two hours from West Lafayette.  I definitely think I like him better than Jeff Brohm there. 

Cincinnati is the only other one that's intriguing, but IMO I think he's better off at Western than Cincy. (And as far as I'm aware there hasn't been a peep about his name and that job)

sflzman:

Good to see you back again posting (even if only occasionally).  I agree in that he would have been a good choice for Purdue, but they were going with "a Purdue alum guy".  As far as Cincy, that is not a bad job, however, he certainly has the high potential of establishing a real dynasty at Western if he stays.  I recall years ago when Schembechler called Western one of the worst jobs in the country, however, that, understandably, was after some of his former assistant(s) there were fired.  On a tangent topic, in checking out Western's football website, I recall one of their assistant coaches "way back when" who was recruiting my brother for fb (Michigan was also considering him for fb as well); I "googled" that coach and found out that after leaving Western, he finished his coaching career with East Carolina, then left coaching and then established an extremely successful financial planning company that he owns, which is doing very well today in North Carolina.  (of course, you already know "the rest of the story" re: my brother...his first love was baseball and he wanted to play both in college and the big schools (Western and U of M) said they were only interested in allowing him to play fb if they offered him a scholarship, so he ended up at Alma and had a great career in both sports. 

But, I digressed-sorry. :) Back to Fleck.  It would be sad to see him leave, yet as many have discussed here in the past on this board and the others regarding this same topic, no one can blame him for leaving for a ton of more $ than he will ever get at Western in the MAC.  I tend to see him leaving since he has already had a taste of successful assistant coaching the the NFL.  He has said he will not talk to anyone until after their upcoming bowl game at the Cotton Bowl.  It will be interesting to see where he ends up for next year.  BTW, Western's AD is a graduate of Hope (same class as mine) and was a very good athlete there.  She has done a phenomenal job at Western.  Anyway, best wishes to you for an enjoyable and blessed upcoming Christmas and New Years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 14, 2016, 09:35:37 PM
Aside from WMU coming up with more money than I assume would be possible, another thing that MIGHT keep Fleck around would be aspirations to become another Boise State.  (Last week's SI had an article on the breakthrough of Boise State to the 'big time' - the 2007 Fiesta Bowl where they beat heavily favored Oklahoma in OT.)  I doubt that EMU could ever be THAT team - the shadow of the Big House is just too great (it's only six miles between Rynearson and Michigan Stadium), and Ann Arbor no longer even has a daily newspaper (the Detroit papers basically ignore the existence of EMU sports).  I have no personal knowledge, but have been told that far more CMU students watch MSU football than CMU football (and that more CMU students spend fall Saturdays in E. Lansing sports bars than in Mt. Pleasant).  Kalamazoo just MIGHT be far enough away from UM and MSU (and Notre Dame) to have a fighting chance at being THE D1 football team for western Michigan.  It's doubtful you could stock a really good football team with just western Michigan recruits, but I doubt Boise State could have gotten anywhere with just Idaho recruits!

Of course, if WMU knocks off Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl, they are ALREADY Boise State, so all bets are off! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2016, 07:01:29 PM
Dan Pfifer resigned from Olivet today to take the head coaching job at Walsh.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 18, 2016, 05:51:12 PM
Quote from: sac on December 16, 2016, 07:01:29 PM
Dan Pfifer resigned from Olivet today to take the head coaching job at Walsh.

I am late in replying to this post as my wife and I were out-of-town celebrating Christmas with our daughters/sons-in-laws this weekend.  Anyway, I am kind of half surprised/half not surprised at this happening.  On one had, I thought perhaps Pfifer would stay at Olivet and continue working on creating somewhat of a "semi-dynasty" at the school (if that is possible at Olivet).  He really has developed the program there to a more than respectable level, which has resulted in not only good retention of players, but great support from their fans including attendance. In reality, that is a huge accomplishment, given Olivet's history, which is really well entrenched in MIAA football history despite their all-time overall poor record (aside from a few bright spots "here and there" such as the Livedoti and Seigler stints.  So in that regard, it is sad to see Pfifer move on.  Yet, on the other hand, it is not surprising.  He is an Ohio native and I suspect the chance to move Walsh into their next level/era was a great opportunity that he couldn't turn down, although that will be quite a challenge IMO, given that school's program. Karras, who was/is a great coach (who had excellent success at in the NAIA at two school, including a recent National Championship at Marion shortly after that program was established, and RHIT as I recall, couldn't quite do it at Walsh.I suspect there were some other "issues" there, however, admittedly, I have no idea other than perhaps "reading something into" one of the newspaper article relations of how difficult it was for them to compete in the GLIAC.  However, with Walsh and nearby Malone, and the other schools Hillsdale, Tiffin, Findley and Ohio Dominican (is Lake Erie leaving too, I believe?) all leaving for the new Ohio DII football league (Great Midwest Athletic Conference), I suspect that Pfifer will do well as he is a great recruiter.  According to the article, he plans on heavily recruiting Ohio and nearby and I imagine that might do well similar to how Grand Valley, Ferris State and even Wayne State have done well in concentrating on regional recruiting.  I would also venture (guess is the better term ;D) to say that Pfifer will make a better head coaching salary than Olivet was paying him or could ever pay him.  It is sad to see him go, however, I wish him (and his family) all the best.

It will be interesting to see what Olivet does with regard to selecting the next HC.  Will they give one of Pfifer's assistants (several who cam with him from Trine and are pretty much qualified for the position-similar to how Pfifer was) a chance at their first HC position or will they go outside?  A complete overhall of the staff might be a detriment in some measures. 

Also, jumping quickly back to the GLIAC...in one sense, it is sad to see Hillsdale leave.  Yet, despite having a good coaching staff, they have struggled in recent years to compete in that league and I can see where they see themselves as having a much better chance with a new start in the new league, given the current talent of most of those teams that will comprise the league.  Also, despite it being DII and with the exception of Grand Valley (and a few isolated games "here and there" for some of the other teams like Wayne State, Ferris, Northern Michigan and Tech) the average attendance is about the same (or sometimes worse) than the MIAA DIII, although granted, the latter has not been as good in recent years as compared to past years when the top teams were doing great and having much larger attendance-Trine, Albion, and Hope in the latter's better years, and when Alma had their last two championship teams). 

Sorry for the long post, but just throwing out some general personal thoughts for discussion.  Your thoughts/opinions sac and our other collleagues here?

P.S. Enjoyed seeing the Stagg Bowl Friday.  Great game! I also want to commend Pat, Keith and Kevin (and Ryan) for a great broadcast.  I listened to that with the live ESPN visual feed.  I would also just add to one of the other poster's comments over on the other board (OAC I believe) in that I thought the OC's for both UMHB and W-Osh did not call very good games-their play selection was not one of their best I would believe.  But...sometimes, it just goes that way.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 18, 2016, 08:02:08 PM
former -

With the rumors of Minnesota possibly looking for a new head coach in the wake of the sexual assault mess, what do you think of that being the next step for Fleck?

The early name that I've heard is Craig Bohl from Wyoming who obviously had all of the success turning NDSU into a football dynasty.

Regardless, I think Fleck might be a good fit up there. I'd hope if Minnesota does elect to part ways with Claeys that Fleck would get a look.

I also agree with you about Olivet. I would hope that they stay in house. It would be sad to see all of the work that that group has put in to turn that program around pretty much walk out the door.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 19, 2016, 07:07:34 PM
sflzman:

Agree with you also re: Olivet for that same reason.

I could see Fleck at Minnesota.  I think that would be a good job for him if he decides to leave Western.  You know Minnesota, obviously.  While Kill did a great job when he was there with a good staff (which many of them still there) perhaps it is time for a change-once again. ::)

As far as Bohl, he would be a good choice also, however, I would be surprised if he left Wyoming right now.  After his great success at NDSU, it appears he is on track to get Wyoming back to competitiveness as his second year this year showed great improvement.  Also, not sure what his buyout would be if he left Wyoming.  He did get quite a substantial salary increase, but I don't recall what the buyout is. 

Good points, my friend.  Anyway, wishing you a nice Christmas and New Year's holiday.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2016, 07:32:09 PM
A realization that warms this Wolverine's heart:  there are five D1 football schools in Michigan.  Four are going to bowl games.  The only one that isn't is some 'cow college' in East Lansing! ;D

After getting beaten down WAY too many years in a row, I couldn't resist! ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 20, 2016, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2016, 07:32:09 PM
A realization that warms this Wolverine's heart:  there are five D1 football schools in Michigan.  Four are going to bowl games.  The only one that isn't is some 'cow college' in East Lansing! ;D

After getting beaten down WAY too many years in a row, I couldn't resist! ::)

+k Mr. Ypsi.  I am with you! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 24, 2016, 08:25:22 AM
Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year to all the MIAA posters! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 25, 2016, 10:04:52 AM
Merry Christmas to all the MIAA posters from the NACC!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on December 25, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
Merry Christmas to everyone!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 25, 2016, 07:44:50 PM
Thanks you guys and the same to all of you and everyone else here-Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.  I hope you all have been enjoying the Christmas day and weekend with your families.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 25, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I was so disappointed in Eastern Michigan's loss in the Bahamas Bowl.  It really was a great game, IMO, although Eastern just made too many mistakes, particularly poor defensive backfield coverage, which cost them the game.  But...at least they still had a winning season and a good one at that.  Here's hoping CC and staff can continue next season on the positive steps they made this year.

P.S.  Looks like the weather was fantastic for the game as well.  It was better than the weather at the Stagg Bowl!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 25, 2016, 09:33:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 25, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I was so disappointed in Eastern Michigan's loss in the Bahamas Bowl.  It really was a great game, IMO, although Eastern just made too many mistakes, particularly poor defensive backfield coverage, which cost them the game.  But...at least they still had a winning season and a good one at that.  Here's hoping CC and staff can continue next season on the positive steps they made this year.

P.S.  Looks like the weather was fantastic for the game as well.  It was better than the weather at the Stagg Bowl!

Yeah, I was sorry I missed the game!  Since the Detroit papers mostly ignore EMU, and we no longer have a local newspaper, I knew the game was Friday, but it was over before I checked out the starting time! :(

On the good side, they DID beat the Vegas spread! ;D  They'll lose some very key players, but the qb (whom #2 son says is the best player on the team) returns.  Without further checking, I sense they should probably finish roughly the same as this year, though further improvement may be a stretch.

I had a great Christmas with the grandkids, etc.  Max (the 2.7 year-old) and Emmy (the 1.4 year-old) REALLY know how to push each other's buttons, with Emmy giving AT LEAST as well as she gets!  It will be fascinating to see in a year or so how adding now 3-week-old Maisie to the mix changes the dynamic!  (Currently, of course, she is just a protected bystander, with Max and Emmy mostly ignoring her existence.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 26, 2016, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 25, 2016, 09:33:55 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 25, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi:

I was so disappointed in Eastern Michigan's loss in the Bahamas Bowl.  It really was a great game, IMO, although Eastern just made too many mistakes, particularly poor defensive backfield coverage, which cost them the game.  But...at least they still had a winning season and a good one at that.  Here's hoping CC and staff can continue next season on the positive steps they made this year.

P.S.  Looks like the weather was fantastic for the game as well.  It was better than the weather at the Stagg Bowl!

Yeah, I was sorry I missed the game!  Since the Detroit papers mostly ignore EMU, and we no longer have a local newspaper, I knew the game was Friday, but it was over before I checked out the starting time! :(

On the good side, they DID beat the Vegas spread! ;D  They'll lose some very key players, but the qb (whom #2 son says is the best player on the team) returns.  Without further checking, I sense they should probably finish roughly the same as this year, though further improvement may be a stretch.

I had a great Christmas with the grandkids, etc.  Max (the 2.7 year-old) and Emmy (the 1.4 year-old) REALLY know how to push each other's buttons, with Emmy giving AT LEAST as well as she gets!  It will be fascinating to see in a year or so how adding now 3-week-old Maisie to the mix changes the dynamic!  (Currently, of course, she is just a protected bystander, with Max and Emmy mostly ignoring her existence.)

Mr. Ypsi:

Like you, I also accidentally missed watching the game on ESPN.  I forgot the time, thought it was in the evening, and just simply missed it.  But my comments were based on seeing quite a few of the replays they showed at times and not just the scoring plays for each team.  Anyway, I agree with you that Eastern has a good base and good chance at doing as equally as good this next season as they did this year.

Glad to hear you had a nice Christmas with your family.  Always a good and, of course, very important, time.  Ours was nice as well.  Tkae care and enjoy the remainder of the holidays and the bowl games you get a chance to watch!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on December 28, 2016, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 25, 2016, 09:33:55 PM
On the good side, they DID beat the Vegas spread! ;D  They'll lose some very key players, but the qb (whom #2 son says is the best player on the team) returns.  Without further checking, I sense they should probably finish roughly the same as this year, though further improvement may be a stretch.

Maybe do further checking? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2016, 12:19:37 AM
VERY disappointing Orange Bowl as Michigan falls by one point to Florida State.  FSU had three HUGE plays from scrimmage, two of which I'm convinced would not have happened if Jabrill Peppers was not out with a hamstring injury.

Football is generally the ultimate TEAM sport, with a single player (except maybe a QB) not making THAT big a difference.  Tonight was the exception - WITH Jabrill, UM wins by two TDs (with Jake Butt, out to injury in the first half, they probably win by three).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 31, 2016, 06:52:21 PM
Yes, Mr. Ypsi, it was very disappointing for us Michigan fans.  Even before the announcement that Peppers was out for the game, I figured Michigan was not going to play a very good game.  In one sense, that might seem strange in not being confident in one's team as a die-hard fan, however, call it just a "gut feeling" otherwise.  Michigan sure hung in there and without question had their chances to win the game, even without Peppers and, as good as he is, they could certainly have won the game without him.  However, IMO, they did not deserve to win and the factors I attribute to their losing the game and in order of what effected it the most were...1) a pathetic performance in blocking by the offensive line-they couldn't block anyone all game and extremely poor protection of our QB Spieght; 2) extremely terrible play by our defensive backs, Lewis being one of Michigan's best, also in the Big Ten and arguably among one of the best in the nation, had a horrible game-there is no excuse for him or the other dbs for Michigan in letting anyone get behind them like they did in last night's game  (or for guys like veteran DE Taco Charleton consistently not keeping contain and going "inside" instead of "outside in" like we are taught to always do) and  3) after Michigan kicker Allen had blasted kickoffs out of the endzone all game, then he has to do his "worst kick" at the end by putting it barely past the goal line allowing a return AND then, Michigan's kick team allowing the return RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE.  Overall, this was very disappointing performance.  Not taking anything away from Florida State, as they played well, including, obviously their RB Cook, who BTW, today declared for the NFL draft (which, like most of those guys, is really their goal as opposed to getting an education ::)) and the defensive and offensive line, all of their cocky attitudes notwithstanding (including HC Fisher). :) But they deserved the win and overall, from a college football fan standpoint, it was a very exciting game.  Many of the bowl games have been like that this year, which, IMO, is a good thing despite the overwhelming number of bowl games now in existence.  But for Michigan, still a very good year and I'll take a 10-3 season anytime for any NCAA Div level team!  (IMO, Michigan should really have been 11-0 going into the bowl season, but I believe they would have probably lost in the playoff games anyway) .

Just finished watching the Alabama/Washington playoff game Chic-Filet Peach Bowl.  Washington, too, had their chances to beat Alabama-last Alabama score should not have happened had Washington not missed easy tackles on that play and their QB making a poor choice in not just throwing the ball away on that INT return for a TD right before the half as well as Washington not forcing Alabama to punt on the 6 inch line when they had them pinned down there late in the game.  We can say IF, IF, IF for these or any games, yet I'm sure we will all agree that it is almost always one or two key plays in games like this (and the Michigan/Florida State game) that make the difference and cost a team the game in many instances.  Also, I was glad to see the two Alabama players kicked out of the game near the end for unsportsmanlike conduct and, more so to see that Saban finally appeared to have said something to those guys expressing his displeasure (he has a history of not having done that in past years, including his days at Michigan State, LSU).  Anyway, Alabama is a great team, no doubt about it.

It will be interesting to see how the other playoff game tonight Ohio State/Clemson turns out and that give all of us some indication perhaps as to if the winner really has a good chance against Alabama or not.  Also, I will be pulling for Western Michigan for Monday's Cotton Bowl (sorry, Wisconsin fans! ;D)

So those are my general thoughts to date on this.  Will look forward to any of you others posting your thoughts/opinions comments on these and some of the other bowl games if you decide to do so.  Wishing everyone here on our MIAA board as well as all our other colleagues on the other boards a very HAPPY NEW YEARS Eve tonight and New Years Day tomorrow with your families wherever you may be spending it either at home or on the road (and safe travels regarding the latter for those of you who are in that situation).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)).

Anyway, the Western Michigan fans are certainly disappointed (with some venting their displeasure), however, we can't blame Fleck or any of these other younger coaches (like the group of Mount Union guys in the past 4-5 years+) for deciding to accept the opportunity to move up and also make a financial stability gain for their families.  As much as I like schools such as Western and the other MACs, we all have to be honest in that they really are never going to be FBS type schools continuously (IMO, which I've expressed here before, they really belong in FCS).  But that is not to take anything away from all the accomplishments that those players/teams and coaches in the MAC make from time to time as there are always some great teams that rise to the occasion.  Western's AD Kathy Beauregard (who, BTW,  is a Hope College graduate and former lady student-athlete there for those who did not know or recall that) will certainly have a challenge in selecting the next HC there to continue on the progress that Fleck established.  Not impossible, but it will be difficult, I believe.  You and others here might have an idea as to who some candidates might be, however, as much as I try to keep up with the coaching changes (including assistants) in general in college football, I admit I am clueless as to who would be a good fit and possibilities at this time.  She might consider one of Fleck's assistants, however, I tend to doubt that as I believe they will go with him to Minnesota.  We'll find out soon, I'm sure.

This, of course, is the time when tons of assistants across the country at all NCAA divisions often change jobs when the annual NCAA coaches conference occurs this month.  It is interesting to see where many of them end up-obviously easier for the younger single coaches to make a move up the coaching ladder, if that is the course they choose to pursue, rather than staying at one school for their careers.  The latter is rare these days, even at the DIII level, but does occur. 

Hope everyone's first week of the New Year 2017 went well.  Don't forget to watch the FCS National Championship game today on ESPN at noon.  A new champion will emerge as James Madison and Youngstown State go at it, the 5 time defending champion North Dakota State having lost in the late playoffs.  Then, of course, we'll see what happens Monday night.  I'm pulling for Clemson! ;D 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 08, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
Former

First of all I completely agree that the way that Minnesota's administration handled that whole thing was horrible. Extremely unprofessional, and embarrassing. It should not come a surprise at all the lack of support that administration is getting from not just football alumni, but alumni and fans in general. Tracey Claeys was as good of a man that you could ask for. That staff was full of great people who had done a tremendous job of taking that program from pretty close to rock bottom (both on the field and off). Surely there will be times in every program where college kids do stupid college kid things (now not saying that sexual assault qualifies as that) but for administration to pretty much come out and say that Kill and Claeys and that staff needed to go because the program had a bad culture and everything he said amazes me.

But on to Fleck (who I learned this weekend had actually coached under Minnesota fan favorite Jerry Kill at NIU).

Interestingly enough it seemed Minnesota had its eye on 100% on fleck, and they went right out and got him with no consideration of anyone else. While initially I thought that he was probably the ideal selection, the position that Minnesota is in right now called for a proven winner IMO. Someone who could continue to put an elite defense on the field year in and year out. I was hoping for Les Miles or (speaking of Youngstown State) a return to the Big Ten West for Bo Pelini.

Nevertheless I am very excited to see what Fleck has to offer. I think it will more than  anything be a tremendous loss for WMU. I am really interested to see what direction they will go in now.

I was pulling for the Penguins yesterday, especially after upsetting Eastern Washington on the famed red turf last weekend. And of course I will be pulling for Clemson (aka anyone but Alabama) in Monday's title game as well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on." 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 08, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2017, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 08, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2017, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 08, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.

Apparently that makes you a member of the "political left"! :o ;D

After all, the country just elected a President (caught on tape) who bragged about sexual assault. ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2017, 09:25:30 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on." 
Quote from: sflzman on January 08, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2017, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 08, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 08, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2017, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 08, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.

Apparently that makes you a member of the "political left"! :o ;D

After all, the country just elected a President (caught on tape) who bragged about sexual assault. ::)

To my friends who replied here:

DBQ1965, I fully respect your opinions also and your input here in all aspects.  As the same time, I make no apologies for "piling on" when it comes to speaking up for what is right, nor do I apologize for my anti-political left sentiments (if you are to that side of the conversation, then so be it that is fine.  But I won't apologize for mine leanings either.  So let's all be totally honest and frank here.  Again, I welcome yours and the others opinions here and meant no disrespect.  If you disagree with me, so be it and that is fine.  But I'm entitled to my opinion as well as I will further discuss on this below.

Now, absolutely I do not nor ever would condone the actions as to what the players did and admitted, let along sexual assault -I do not want to hear from any of you that I would and/or am condoning that ever (which, BTW was not proven).  Yet what I object to (and always have) is when double standards occur, which is exactly what happened here-sorry I disagree with you Pat if you are saying that what the administration did a first was not right-perhaps you are only questioning it-and that is two fold...a) where is the accountability of the young women who was involved-she was as much responsible as the young men for her own actions -can we say...do we recall the Duke Lacrosse scandal?, and is essentially given "a pass" on this situation and...b) as sflzman correctly points out, the administration is responsible for their double standard, faulty process (IMO ridiculous in allowing student-government over-trumping the law authorities).  The administration was clearly looking for a scapegoat in Claeys after they caved in to the faulty "PC-correctness" of left supporting groups-period (even the trustee of the Board alluded to that when he reluctantly made the decision according to the reports).  We can argue this to ad-nauseum here-, but that is MO on this.

But this (college football) is a business as we all know (and if we are, again, honest with ourselves) and Minnesota does what any college or university does and that is looks out for its own interests.  And yes, that occurs when they do things that are contrary to what really most people know deep down is the right thing to do (they i.e. Minnesota, have a history of that there-such as even when Holtz was coach).  I just hope that Fleck is able to move this beyond.   

Again, I respect everyone's opinions here-even if I disagree with some of you.  That's just the way life is. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
On to a more "agreeable" topic, I'm sure. ::) :)  Thoughts about yesterday's FCS Championship game?  I thought it was a pretty good game.  Pelini's players just couldn't get their offense going to counter James Madison's tremendous defense.  Madison looked like a really great team.  I wonder if their HC Houston will move on right now after only one year?  Also, great attendance at the Toyota Stadium there (almost 15,000) which as I recall (without checking), was somewhat less than last year's game, but still very good.

Regarding other football news, I saw where Northern Michigan, Michigan Tech and Lake Erie College all named new HCs recently.  One of Finlandia's assistants left to go back to Michigan Tech as an offensive assistant (where he played)-he didn't have to go far, rather only just across the river!  I see also where St. Lawrence University in Detroit area is adding football as an NAIA program and is joining the Mid-States conference with Concordia-Ann Arbor, Siena Heights, Taylor, Olivet Nazarene, Marion, St. Francis, St. Xavier, Robert Morris (IL), etc.  Davenport leaves the NAIA and goes to NCAA Div II now in all sports and including the GLIAC for football this year.  Hillsdale, Ohio Dominican, Findley, Lake Erie, Walsh  (and Tiffin as I recall) all leave the GLIAC for the new Ohio DII Mid-west football league (joining Malone and others).  The ever-changing conference alignments continue, even at the other NCAA divisions!

Still awaiting news on the selection of Olivet's new HC.  I'm sure OC_SID and Pat here on d3football will keep us posted when that decision is made and announced officially.  We'll also have to see who Western Michigan chooses as previously mentioned/discussed.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 09, 2017, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2017, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 08, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Okay, sflzman, you got your Christmas wish-Fleck moving on to Minnesota!  I agree with you that he will be a good fit there and, hopefully, will be able to bring some stability back to what Kill started.  Claeys was "thrown under the bus" by the AD and administration and I certainly agree with Kill's opinion on that. The AD handled it extremely poorly and should be ashamed, however, he isn't because he and the administration caved into the political left crowd (I have additional personal opinion on that entire situation, similar to Kill's, however, this is obviously not the venue to discuss that further here in accordance with Pat's rules of this website, ;)). 

formerd3db ... while I respect your insight into the game of football at all levels ... and while I want to respect Pat's rules ... I must protest as a member of "the political left" your broad-stroked mention of "us" as having something to do with the U of Minnesota's decision.  The AD and the administration seemed inept enough in this case that we didn't need any "piling on."

Actually administration handled it when the events first occurred at the beginning of the season, it wasn't until the "political left" (the equal opportunities group that launched their own separate investigation) came back into play that the additional suspensions were given and the boycott started and all hell broke loose

Did they handle it appropriately, though? Just because they did something doesn't mean they did the right thing.

Maybe I'm just against sexual assault, though.

First of all, I'd like to hope that we all would be against sexual assault - regardless of our opinions on how the administration handled this case.

It's not an argument of whether they handled it correctly the first time or not (which I probably agree with you, they did not) it's just the principal of it all. Administration at the U butchered the case when they allowed the third party group to dig the case up again. The players had been given suspensions, and then faced additional suspensions after the restraining order was granted. After coming to an agreement with the woman involved, the players were finally reinstated and the case was dead and buried.

That's my biggest thing with the whole scenario.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 09, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
Olivet hired its football coach today staying within the current staff
http://olivetcomets.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20170109kdsdc1
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 09, 2017, 05:58:53 PM
sflzman: +k, right on the mark.

sac:  Not surprising.  IMO, that is the logical choice and a very good one for Olivet.  Sometimes it is just best to "stay within house".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 09, 2017, 08:15:19 PM
Message received.  Points taken and  made for both sides.

Now on to the serious stuff ... will Sarkisian make a difference tonght, or will Saban have to take control?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 11, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
DBQ:

No problem, my friend.  We're all still good.

Regarding what we all saw in the game the other night, I thought that Sarkisian did make a tremendous difference.  He mixed up the play calling and avoided the unpredictable usual sequences that most OCs do routinely.  I really liked his throwing in some of those play action semi reverse passes and running plays (I wish Michigan's OC had done that in the 3 games they lost-IMO, that is what cost them those games.)  Yet, in the end, as we saw, Clemson players kept up their perseverance and "ran the good race"-just seemed to want it more.  I can't seem to not wonder if some of the end result may have had a little contribution from the Alabama players having such a cocky attitude (self-confidence from knowing that they are, without question, some very great talented collegiate players -and many soon to be in the NFL-at the top of the game, but sometimes that slight bit of cockiness comes back to haunt you.  I tend to believe just a bit of that happened.  IMO, it was also great to see the humbleness of Clemson's coach and, yes, even QB Watson and a little faith message there-all good.  We won't see any of that ever from Saban.

Regardless, it was a great national championship game and extremely exciting, the kind we like and want to see at all the levels.  Looking over all the NCAA championship football games at FBS, FCS, DII and DIII, I think that occurred finally for a long time.  Now, aside from the remaining college all-star games, I going to try and prepare myself for that usual "winter depression/doldrum" period due to lack of college football that seems to always occur for me, similar to some of all our colleagues here on the boards!  (Not including the Super Bowl, of course, although I readily admit I am not really an NFL fan).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 01:56:32 PM
Well, that didn't take long, yet was an excellent (and smart, perhaps even obvious) choice.  Tim Lester is the new head coach at Western Michigan University, returning to his alma mater site of his glory days and his second coaching stint there.  I believe he will do a great job at Western. Over on the CCIW board, there have been some postings of rumor that he has offered North Central College's Coach Thorne the QB assistant coach position at WMU, however, that has not yet been confirmed/finalized.  It would be a big change for NCC.

So far, it looks like Lester at Western Michigan's and P.J. Fleck at Minnesota's will be keeping the staffs essentially the same as those have been this past year at those schools, at least for now.  Might not be all that bad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues! :)

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues! :)

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion.

Yeah, Mugsy speculates (and I concur) that had the offer been OC the response might have been different.  D3 HC to any D1 OC is one thing; D3 HC to MAC position coach is something else, if one is trying to rise in the profession.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on January 16, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues! :)

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion.

Yeah, Mugsy speculates (and I concur) that had the offer been OC the response might have been different.  D3 HC to any D1 OC is one thing; D3 HC to MAC position coach is something else, if one is trying to rise in the profession.

Not sure I follow this given that Tim Lester went from D3 HC to FBS position coach and is now an FBS HC in just four seasons.  That transition hasn't hampered his career, clearly. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2017, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues! :)

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion

Yes, I had seen that and my inadvertent mistake.  I meant to say Western is still looking for an OC and clarify that Thorne apparently turned down the assistant coaching position for QBs.  Regardless, I am wondering if you or anyone else have heard of any names who might be on the short list for either slot? I have no clue nor have heard via rumor mill of any names from anywhere who might be in the more public forefront for those choices.  Of course, most of these types of changes take place behind the scenes and at the conventions.  Most likely a choice and announcement will be made in the next week or two.

Also, Pat, Wally and Mr. Ypsi-have you noticed that on some of the venues i.e. such as Xfinity, they have not even posted the announcement about Lester yet and Western announced it on Sat.  Of course, that is not surprising since it is the MAC and those other venues consider them mid-majors, not even of the likes of California, of which they had made an more immediate posting of Wicox's hiring there.

I also saw where former U of Michigan standout and assistant coach Erik Campbell left Michigan again (he had been back on staff as what was essentially Harbaough's offensive quality control coach/assistant and is now assistant at Connecticut with the new HC there, who he knew previously.  Makes sense since his last Michigan position was essentially entry level for young coaches and Campbell had been at full assistant roles at all his coaching stops including with Harbaugh at Standford as I recall.  No room to return to a  move up position at Michigan, at least for now, so, again, I can understand his making the move.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2017, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on January 16, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues! :)

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion.

Yeah, Mugsy speculates (and I concur) that had the offer been OC the response might have been different.  D3 HC to any D1 OC is one thing; D3 HC to MAC position coach is something else, if one is trying to rise in the profession.

Not sure I follow this given that Tim Lester went from D3 HC to FBS position coach and is now an FBS HC in just four seasons.  That transition hasn't hampered his career, clearly.

Yes, but there's a difference between being a position coach at Syracuse and being one at Western Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2017, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2017, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on January 16, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues! :)

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion.

Yeah, Mugsy speculates (and I concur) that had the offer been OC the response might have been different.  D3 HC to any D1 OC is one thing; D3 HC to MAC position coach is something else, if one is trying to rise in the profession.

Not sure I follow this given that Tim Lester went from D3 HC to FBS position coach and is now an FBS HC in just four seasons.  That transition hasn't hampered his career, clearly.

Yes, but there's a difference between being a position coach at Syracuse and being one at Western Michigan.

And other than $ (i.e. salary) and some prestige, that would be...????? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 16, 2017, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2017, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on January 16, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 15, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
Things keep changing somewhat fast the past 2-3 days.  Apparently, there will be some additional changes at Minnesota and Western, more than initially thought.  ESPN reports that Western Michigan OC Kirk Ciarroca has been offered the same position at Minnesota by Fleck and that Robb Smith, DC at Arkansas is being hired by Fleck also for DC position.

Which means that Western is looking for an OC per new HC Tim Lester; apparently (it has been reported tonight over on the CCIW board) that Jeff Thorne of North Central College turned that position down to stay at NCC.  Coaching carousel continues! :)

It was the quarterbacks coach job, according to the discussion.

Yeah, Mugsy speculates (and I concur) that had the offer been OC the response might have been different.  D3 HC to any D1 OC is one thing; D3 HC to MAC position coach is something else, if one is trying to rise in the profession.

Not sure I follow this given that Tim Lester went from D3 HC to FBS position coach and is now an FBS HC in just four seasons.  That transition hasn't hampered his career, clearly.

Yes, but there's a difference between being a position coach at Syracuse and being one at Western Michigan.

And other than $ (i.e. salary) and some prestige, that would be...????? ???

Not to put too fine a point on it but Tim Lester just proved it -- position coach at a "BCS" school is a much closer trip to head coach at Western Michigan than position coach at Western Michigan is.

And I wouldn't rule out salary and prestige, either.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 16, 2017, 05:45:11 PM
You are right for the most part, although that also would depend on whether someone like Thorne would be moving up with those aspirations of being a head coach at FBS.  Some coaches have their goals as just getting to that level as an assistant and no desire to eventually seek a HC position.  Obviously, "to each his own."  Also, it wasn't too long ago at some schools, for example Michigan State (I could name a few other schools as well with regards to some FBS assistant coaches I know of/about their situations), that the salaries of a coordinator and specialty position assistant coach were not all that far apart.  Of course, for most FBS schools now (although not all) that has changed tremendously.

One other aspect, which is unrelated to the discussion we have been having and that I would like to mention, just for "completeness of the story" in general and which was inadvertently not mentioned before is that Lester was also head coach at DII St. Joseph College in Indiana.  That also did not hurt on his resume. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 17, 2017, 02:31:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
And I wouldn't rule out salary and prestige, either.

Syracuse has or had the lowest paid staff in the ACC, I'm pretty sure WMU had the highest paid staff in the MAC, I'm not sure individual salaries for assistants would be all that different.  As for prestige, it depends on how wow'd you would be by a resume that says you row'd a boat. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 17, 2017, 02:35:44 PM
Davenport head coach Lou Esposito resigned to take another position which has yet to be announced.

Esposito has worked at WMU before and I believe was even at St. Joseph at the same time as Lester, so read between the lines maybe.  Not sure how this affects the MIAA since Davenport is going to the GLIAC and D2 next Fall.  I wouldn't envy the new guy who comes into that highly competitive situation with a new program.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on January 17, 2017, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: sac on January 17, 2017, 02:35:44 PM
Davenport head coach Lou Esposito resigned to take another position which has yet to be announced.

Esposito has worked at WMU before and I believe was even at St. Joseph at the same time as Lester, so read between the lines maybe.  Not sure how this affects the MIAA since Davenport is going to the GLIAC and D2 next Fall.  I wouldn't envy the new guy who comes into that highly competitive situation with a new program.

Footballscoop.com reports that Esposito is going to work for Lester at WMU.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 18, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
Yes, Esposito was defensive line coach previously at Western Michigan from 2010-2012 under former head coach Bill Cubit.  Esposito's association with Lester goes back also to St. Joseph's College (DII in Indiana).  Esposito was head coach at St. Joseph's for 5 years, but also was at Ferris State with Annese until taking over establishing the new program from scratch at Davenport in 2014.  So it is not surprising he would leave Davenport to join Lester at Western. 

Esposito put together a good staff at Davenport and they had a decent first year this past season at 2016 at 6-5 (after just having practices all season back in 2015).  As to how this will affect the MIAA, I have always said that recruiting for scholarship level with the DIIs has hurt the MIAA schools over the past decade+ (and even some coaches in the MIAA have agreed with that). Some people at some of the MIAA schools have said that the DII recruiting such as now with Davenport joining that category (along with even Hillsdale going to the new OH DII conference as well as the NAIA newbies Concordia-Ann Arbor, Siena Heights, and now even Lawrence Tech re-establishing football at the NAIA level) won't have much effect because some of the student-athletes who might receive scholarships would not qualify for admission to some MIAA schools. However, I don't believe that (know of many cases where that has not been the case) and am of the opinion it will continue to have some fair amount of effect. 

Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see if Davenport chooses its second head coach from within the existing staff (their interim hc has DI exeperience at Colgate) or go outside.  I would think that staying within, at least for now, would be the better move since the current staff has been involved with establishing the program and direction/philosophy under Esposito.

BTW. referring back to St. Joseph's, I had wondered where their previous successful hc of 3 years Cory Sanders went when he left in late 2014 and saw where he was hired as the defensive coordinator for the University of West Florida FCS, which added football to is athletic programs (they have had baseball for a long time).  Also, as is being discussed over on the OAC board, JCU hired U of Michigan defensive analyst Finotti as hc., but that makes sense since he has ties in the area and was very successful hc in that area before going to Harbaugh's staff.  Anyway, always interesting to see the coaching carousel. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 09, 2017, 05:58:53 PM
sflzman: +k, right on the mark.

sac:  Not surprising.  IMO, that is the logical choice and a very good one for Olivet.  Sometimes it is just best to "stay within house".

Knew coach Moose from his Trine days.  He is a great person and I wish him nothing but the best (except when they play Trine).   :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 23, 2017, 05:14:57 PM
Late reply here, but good to hear from you Uncle Rico.  I had heard good things about Coach M also, so with your knowledge of him from when your son played at Trine, and what Coach M has contributed/handled his OC position at Olivet, sounds like Olivet should be okay.

Other topic:

In DI news, it is sad to see that Oregon fired newly hired OC David Reaves due to the DUI.  He is the son of former Florida standout QB John Reaves of several years ago.  He came to Oregon with new HC Willie Taggart from Univ of South Florida.  A good coach, with wife and two children.  Very sad he made that mistake of which people have been preaching about for years for people to just simply avoid.  It can cause havoc on one's life aside from ruining it.  Hopefully, he can eventually recover from this, will have learned a valuable lesson albeit at a high price and someone perhaps give him a second chance eventually.  I hate seeing news like this, but... :(   Comments anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 29, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
Olivet punter Ryan Anderson has signed with Rutgers for his final year of eligibility.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on January 29, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: sac on January 29, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
Olivet punter Ryan Anderson has signed with Rutgers for his final year of eligibility.

One could give a strong argument that this is a lateral move
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 29, 2017, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 29, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: sac on January 29, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
Olivet punter Ryan Anderson has signed with Rutgers for his final year of eligibility.

One could give a strong argument that this is a lateral move

Oh snap!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 29, 2017, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: sac on January 29, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
Olivet punter Ryan Anderson has signed with Rutgers for his final year of eligibility.




Good for him!  And why not, if that is what he wants to do and has been offered the chance/opportunity to do so.  Not bad, going from DIII to the Big Ten.  I know a person who did that for his senior year "back in my day".    I wish him all the best.  Maybe we'll catch seeing him in a Big Ten game next season, assuming he wins the punting job.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 29, 2017, 07:50:18 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 29, 2017, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: sac on January 29, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
Olivet punter Ryan Anderson has signed with Rutgers for his final year of eligibility.




Good for him!  And why not, if that is what he wants to do and has been offered the chance/opportunity to do so.  Not bad, going from DIII to the Big Ten.  I know a person who did that for his senior year "back in my day".    I wish him all the best.  Maybe we'll catch seeing him in a Big Ten game next season, assuming he wins the punting job.

And it would be a job.  Rutger's goes 3-and-out with great regularity!

Quote from: sac on January 29, 2017, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: sflzman on January 29, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: sac on January 29, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
Olivet punter Ryan Anderson has signed with Rutgers for his final year of eligibility.

One could give a strong argument that this is a lateral move

Oh snap!

Except for (presumably) the scholarship, I'd be tempted to say it was a downward move! ;D  Admittedly, bigger crowds; but far less chance of celebrating victories.  (And only a slightly greater chance of being on TV - even the BTN rarely has Rutgers. ::))
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 29, 2017, 09:17:03 PM
All Big Ten home games are carried by someone on the Big Ten's TV package.   ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNews and of course BTN.   Non-Conference away games are picked up by that conferences TV contract carrier, for example the Rutgers game at Washington was on the Pac12 Network.  Some times that network is the same (BigTen and ACC have essentially the same access to ABC/ESPN).

Every Rutgers game last year was on TV, including 5 times on the BTN.
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-16/2016-rutgers-scarlet-knights-football-schedule.php

Since the Big Ten somtimes broadcasts 2 games in the same time slot on BTN and uses an overflow channel for the "out of market" game or slots games of little interest in the same time slot as a more important game,  you probably missed them several times.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 29, 2017, 10:25:36 PM
Did not know that, since I would never seek out a Rutgers' game.  (Even if against Michigan, I'd probably check it out only if in the mood for guffaws and giggles - Rutgers is NOT Big Ten quality.)  I've never seen whether the Big Ten has gotten their desired penetration into the NYC market - my guess would be that few of them want to watch Rutgers either.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 30, 2017, 01:55:16 AM
Next year the Big Ten starts its new TV deal with FOX and ESPN.  One thing it means is some Friday night broadcasts and potentially more BTN broadcasts (its FOX that shares ownership of BTN with the Big Ten).  Some schools have nixed Friday games, Michigan is one of them. 

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2016/06/20/big-ten-tv-fox-espn/86135546/

FOX also has the rights to some Pac 12 and Big 12 games so it becomes a crowded network.   Big Ten games could be on FOX, FS1, FS2, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNNews and BTN. 

Some things will be very different next Fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on April 20, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Hey Pat:

I just wanted to congratulate you on a very excellent article that you opined here regarding the news about the Stagg Bowl being moved from Salem.  I thought you presented the entire situation very well and explaining both sides of reasoning.  Certainly, the decision is somewhat melancholy in one sense, as it has been a great run at Salem, and no doubt you have some very close colleagues there over those years who have been responsible for the success of the Stagg's tenure there as well as your well-deserved treatment when you oversee your program and broadcast of the Stagg Bowl week and game.  However, I guess that, once again, this decision just proves that nothing lasts forever in this life and, while there are great memories at Salem, it is on to a new chapter in that history, which will provide new memories and experiences for all.  As you penned, however, certainly the next two new hosts have a big act to follow/some big shoes to fill (we can take our pick of these two old cliche phrases to use :)) Of course, time will tell.  Anyway, thanks again for a well-written and informative article and your experience/expertise in presenting and reflecting on the situation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2017, 12:12:05 AM
Thanks, I appreciate it. It was an easy piece to write because of my experience with it, but it wasn't fun to write, if you get my drift.

I had my first conversation with people running the show in Texas in 2018 and I'm looking forward to hearing more about their plans as they develop. Meanwhile, part of that conversation will be in next week's podcast.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on May 26, 2017, 01:30:39 PM
MIAA adds Finlandia as an affiliate.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2017/05/finlandia-finds-a-home

Well this puts the MIAA-NACC Challenge in a awkward spot as the MIAA has 8 starting in 2018-19 and the NACC has 7. NACC has been looking to add an affiliate to even the series as a result. Makes WLC's travel to MIAA opponents when it was a football affiliate look tame in comparison.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on May 26, 2017, 01:30:39 PM
MIAA adds Finlandia as an affiliate.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2017/05/finlandia-finds-a-home

Well this puts the MIAA-NACC Challenge in a awkward spot as the MIAA has 8 starting in 2018-19 and the NACC has 7. NACC has been looking to add an affiliate to even the series as a result. Makes WLC's travel to MIAA opponents when it was a football affiliate look tame in comparison.

As we note in the story, we've been hearing that the NACC is expecting to add a team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on May 28, 2017, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on May 26, 2017, 01:30:39 PM
MIAA adds Finlandia as an affiliate.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2017/05/finlandia-finds-a-home

Well this puts the MIAA-NACC Challenge in a awkward spot as the MIAA has 8 starting in 2018-19 and the NACC has 7. NACC has been looking to add an affiliate to even the series as a result. Makes WLC's travel to MIAA opponents when it was a football affiliate look tame in comparison.

As we note in the story, we've been hearing that the NACC is expecting to add a team.

The popular question is who? Could it be from the UMAC (any of the former IBFC?)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 28, 2017, 05:53:18 PM
I used to have to go to Houghton-Hancock ... and Calumet, home of The Gipper ... once a year as part of my work.  It will be a long road trip for the MIAA school and for Finlandia, and  I have been in some serious snow storms in mid-October up there.  Still, it will be good to see the Blue and White Lions below the Bridge.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on May 30, 2017, 11:09:00 AM
I put this up in the ODAC thread because we are having our own issues with a 7 team conference. But it has google map distances for Finlandia to MIAA football schools. For a conference that was wonderfully compact, I guess it isn't a real hardship to add one ugly travel conference game every other season. But those kids from Finlandia... yikes. Sul Ross State type territory for bus rides. Then again, anything is better than being an independent I suppose.

On another note, another 7 team conference added a member. The MIAA sucked it up and brought in Finlandia. If you want to know how far other conferences are willing to go, Finlandia to Adrian is 565 miles, 9:23 hours by Google maps. Albion is 9 hours away, Alma is 445, 7.5 hours, 530, 8:55 from Hope, 553, 9:12 from Kalamazoo, 8:41, 526 from Olivet, and 586, 9:34 from Trine.

So a conference whose previous longest road trip was probably something like Trine to Alma, 2:11, 145 miles, just picked up a team probably close to 9 hours, average, from the rest of the conference. Would you rather do an OOC road trip to New England once a year or lock in this kind of conference member until they find another option?

Just for kicks, Trine to W&L was 535, 8:44. They are actually closer to W&L than to their new conference member. Shame the ODAC just lost a 7 team conference they maybe could have worked with, even given long trips. Alma came to W&L the year before Shenandoah joined, so it shows the MIAA maybe would have been amenable.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on June 05, 2017, 03:52:34 PM
I know one of the players on Finlandia's roster and he told me a few weeks ago that this was in the works.  They are still going through some changes/transition as a new program there in coaching staff and player retention as many left after this last season (sadly, a fair number due to academic difficulties i.e. read poor grades and others due to some attitude adjustment problems in a couple of areas.  That said,, as a young program, they are working hard to overcome these challenges and the school is committed to the program.  Coaching staff is becoming stable. 

Realistically, Finlandia did not really have many options as far as a conference was concerned.  Staying an independent for a school that small and far away would have been suicide.  Aside from the MIAA, the only other option they would have had would be the NACC conference in Wisconsin and that still would have meant considerable travel for the 5 away games.  Being that Finlandia has a good history in playing MIAA teams in other sports, this was a good move, similar to the Wisconsin Lutheran affiliate, which served a good purpose for both that school and the MIAA at that time.  Finlandia is having further improvements to their stadium.  Heck, as a school stadium, they had the artificial turf and electronic scoreboard first and those are big and important items.  Better permanent seating is in the works I am told and there was a new locker room building built next to the stadium.  All sounds good so far and we will welcome them into the league.

I hope they will be able to fill their schedule this year with at least 3 more games, hopefully 4. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 07, 2017, 08:38:43 PM
Street and Smith out with D3 pre-season rankings.  Hope at #21.  Called a dark horse.  I know these rankings don't mean much, but it's fun to start discussions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HansenRatings on June 14, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Olivet   0.7172   6.4-3.6   4.2-1.8
Hope   0.6690   6.5-3.5   3.9-2.1
Adrian   0.5663   4.9-5.1   3.2-2.8
Trine   0.5456   6.1-3.9   3.0-3.0
Alma   0.5181   5.4-4.6   2.8-3.2
Albion   0.4826   4.2-5.8   2.7-3.3
Kazoo   0.2663   3.7-6.3   1.2-4.8

Street & Smith are braver than I am. Without anything close to a clear favorite in the conference, it seems really improbable that any one team could string together a bunch of non-conference wins and conference wins. I could see two different teams doing so, i.e. one team having good non-conference results and the other running the table in-conference, but doubtful one team could do both. Hope, playing Monmouth Week 1 (10% win probability), will probably be out the the Top 25 conversation sooner than they were ever actually in it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 14, 2017, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 14, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Olivet   0.7172   6.4-3.6   4.2-1.8
Hope   0.6690   6.5-3.5   3.9-2.1
Adrian   0.5663   4.9-5.1   3.2-2.8
Trine   0.5456   6.1-3.9   3.0-3.0
Alma   0.5181   5.4-4.6   2.8-3.2
Albion   0.4826   4.2-5.8   2.7-3.3
Kazoo   0.2663   3.7-6.3   1.2-4.8

Street & Smith are braver than I am. Without anything close to a clear favorite in the conference, it seems really improbable that any one team could string together a bunch of non-conference wins and conference wins. I could see two different teams doing so, i.e. one team having good non-conference results and the other running the table in-conference, but doubtful one team could do both. Hope, playing Monmouth Week 1 (10% win probability), will probably be out the the Top 25 conversation sooner than they were ever actually in it.

What about Finlandia (he asks facetiously)?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 14, 2017, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 14, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Olivet   0.7172   6.4-3.6   4.2-1.8
Hope   0.6690   6.5-3.5   3.9-2.1
Adrian   0.5663   4.9-5.1   3.2-2.8
Trine   0.5456   6.1-3.9   3.0-3.0
Alma   0.5181   5.4-4.6   2.8-3.2
Albion   0.4826   4.2-5.8   2.7-3.3
Kazoo   0.2663   3.7-6.3   1.2-4.8

Street & Smith are braver than I am. Without anything close to a clear favorite in the conference, it seems really improbable that any one team could string together a bunch of non-conference wins and conference wins. I could see two different teams doing so, i.e. one team having good non-conference results and the other running the table in-conference, but doubtful one team could do both. Hope, playing Monmouth Week 1 (10% win probability), will probably be out the the Top 25 conversation sooner than they were ever actually in it.

What about Finlandia (he asks facetiously)?


I honestly considered throwing them in the mix just to be a smart @$$, but decided against it. I was pretty shocked by the news of them joining, that's gonna be a B of a road trip for Trine and some of the other schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 15, 2017, 06:06:25 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on June 14, 2017, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 14, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Olivet   0.7172   6.4-3.6   4.2-1.8
Hope   0.6690   6.5-3.5   3.9-2.1
Adrian   0.5663   4.9-5.1   3.2-2.8
Trine   0.5456   6.1-3.9   3.0-3.0
Alma   0.5181   5.4-4.6   2.8-3.2
Albion   0.4826   4.2-5.8   2.7-3.3
Kazoo   0.2663   3.7-6.3   1.2-4.8

Street & Smith are braver than I am. Without anything close to a clear favorite in the conference, it seems really improbable that any one team could string together a bunch of non-conference wins and conference wins. I could see two different teams doing so, i.e. one team having good non-conference results and the other running the table in-conference, but doubtful one team could do both. Hope, playing Monmouth Week 1 (10% win probability), will probably be out the the Top 25 conversation sooner than they were ever actually in it.

What about Finlandia (he asks facetiously)?


I honestly considered throwing them in the mix just to be a smart @$$, but decided against it. I was pretty shocked by the news of them joining, that's gonna be a B of a road trip for Trine and some of the other schools.

Got it.  Thanks for responding.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on July 05, 2017, 04:47:45 PM
Being in the depths of the off season, I was just looking through some of the team pages and saw that Albion had gone 1-9 last year, which wasn't a surprise, I remember that happening. But was shocked me was the year before they had won nine games and the MIAA the year before. What happened? And how are the looking this upcoming season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on July 06, 2017, 11:38:44 AM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
I honestly considered throwing [Finlandia] in the mix just to be a smart @$$, but decided against it. I was pretty shocked by the news of them joining, that's gonna be a B of a road trip for Trine and some of the other schools.

OTOH, those other schools only have to make that trip once every 2 years, which will effectively replace a similarly lengthy trip into NACC country. Finlandia has to make 3-4 long road trips a conference season (which they would have to do in any conference with how isolated they are).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on July 25, 2017, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on July 06, 2017, 11:38:44 AM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
I honestly considered throwing [Finlandia] in the mix just to be a smart @$$, but decided against it. I was pretty shocked by the news of them joining, that's gonna be a B of a road trip for Trine and some of the other schools.

OTOH, those other schools only have to make that trip once every 2 years, which will effectively replace a similarly lengthy trip into NACC country. Finlandia has to make 3-4 long road trips a conference season (which they would have to do in any conference with how isolated they are).

Alma is the CLOSEST MIAA school to Finlandia, a 7 hour and 15 minute drive on a good day.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on July 25, 2017, 03:05:40 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on July 25, 2017, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on July 06, 2017, 11:38:44 AM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
I honestly considered throwing [Finlandia] in the mix just to be a smart @$$, but decided against it. I was pretty shocked by the news of them joining, that's gonna be a B of a road trip for Trine and some of the other schools.

OTOH, those other schools only have to make that trip once every 2 years, which will effectively replace a similarly lengthy trip into NACC country. Finlandia has to make 3-4 long road trips a conference season (which they would have to do in any conference with how isolated they are).

Alma is the CLOSEST MIAA school to Finlandia, a 7 hour and 15 minute drive on a good day.

Sad but true. Lack of a E-W freeway (I-75 goes up to Sault Ste. Marie) in the Upper Peninsula definitely hurts. Doesn't help that Finlandia is on the other side of the peninsula. Expect a lot of two-three day trips up to Hancock.

Since we are talking about drive times, here is the mileage and drive time for the rest of the MIAA schools to Finlandia:

Hope: 531 Miles (8 hrs 45 min)
Albion: 544 Miles (8 hrs 45 min)
Trine: 588 Miles (9 hrs 15 min)
Kalamazoo: 554 Miles (9 hrs 2 min)
Olivet: 528 Miles (8 hrs 24 min)
Adrian: 566 Miles (9 hrs 6 min)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 25, 2017, 03:14:24 PM
Its really an easy drive, its just long.   Once across the bridge you take US 2 and US 41, two very nice wide two lane highways with minimal traffic and lots of 4 lane stretches and a suggested speed limit of 65 which is rarely followed (now 70 in places).  Your only hassle is the UP megalopolis of Marquette-Ishpeming........and possibly snow.

No doubt sometime in the future someone will report back about their "nightmare" trip to Finlandia when it snows in the high places West of Marquette and on the Keewenaw in mid-October.   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on July 25, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
Quote from: sac on July 25, 2017, 03:14:24 PM
Its really an easy drive, its just long.   Once across the bridge you take US 2 and US 41, two very nice wide two lane highways with minimal traffic and lots of 4 lane stretches and a suggested speed limit of 65 which is rarely followed (now 70 in places).  Your only hassle is the UP megalopolis of Marquette-Ishpeming........and possibly snow.

No doubt sometime in the future someone will report back about their "nightmare" trip to Finlandia when it snows in the high places West of Marquette and on the Keewenaw in mid-October.   ;)

Will have to see that when I go up the UP in late August. Have not been up there in 15+ years (considering that I am in my late twenties).

As my grandpa (was born in Escanaba) said, "If there wasn't snow on the ground by Thanksgiving, there was something wrong"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: matblake on July 25, 2017, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on July 25, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
Quote from: sac on July 25, 2017, 03:14:24 PM
Its really an easy drive, its just long.   Once across the bridge you take US 2 and US 41, two very nice wide two lane highways with minimal traffic and lots of 4 lane stretches and a suggested speed limit of 65 which is rarely followed (now 70 in places).  Your only hassle is the UP megalopolis of Marquette-Ishpeming........and possibly snow.

No doubt sometime in the future someone will report back about their "nightmare" trip to Finlandia when it snows in the high places West of Marquette and on the Keewenaw in mid-October.   ;)

Will have to see that when I go up the UP in late August. Have not been up there in 15+ years (considering that I am in my late twenties).

As my grandpa (was born in Escanaba) said, "If there wasn't snow on the ground by Thanksgiving, there was something wrong"

Snow I can deal with.  It's the cold that is hard to take.  My Dad grew up in Menominee and he always pulled the "When I was a kid" guilt trip on us kids.  "You think it's cold today?  When I was a kid there were mornings when there was no red in the thermometer because it was so cold!"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 02, 2017, 11:50:26 AM
I came across this article on footballscoop.com and because it's author is a former Hope College coach I thought some of you may be interested.  It's an excellent piece at putting life into perspective.

http://footballscoop.com/news/love-football-emotional-open-letter-college-coaching-veteran-faced-difficult-decision/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 08, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
Thanks BWH.  A very moving article.  Of course, I and others know of Coach Lund. He, his wife and her father and the entire extended family will be in our thoughts and prayers.  That is a difficult decision to make without question.  I know from a personal standpoint because I had to make the same along with a fellow colleague when we were assistants at Alma College years ago.  But, I'm sure everyone will agree, that is the right decision he made.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2017, 05:00:55 PM
Although football pre-season has started, here is some interesting information I thought some of you might appreciate knowing as far as updates.
The Cost of Playing Football at an MIAA College for 2017-2018 ;D :o ::) :) (uh, I mean earning an college education/degree ;)) academic year (before any potential need-based and/or merit based financial aid is applied for those who qualify and/or are awarded such):

*This is the total for Tuition/Room/Board and basic student fee per the Tuition/Fees section on the current websites for each school which includes the usual standard student dorm residence hall housing i.e. not college owned apartments, cottages, etc. (additional fees may apply per each college depending on the topic/department, etc., which may vary the amounts listed slightly)

Kalamazoo College  $56, 082
Albion College         $55, 260
Alma College           $49, 760
Adrian College         $45, 630
Hope College           $42, 780
Trine University        $40,740  (add $2,000 if enrolling in an Engineering degree program at Trine)
Olivet College           $39, 995
Finlandia University  $31, 550

(just for the sake of the information, non-football playing Calvin College is $44, 100)

For a brief initial comment, I was surprised (taken aback) that Hope was now 5th on the list as opposed to having been 3rd in the past behind Kazoo and Albion.  Comments anyone?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 14, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 14, 2017, 05:00:55 PM
Adrian College         $45, 630

People were shocked when I told them how much tuition was at Adrian when I was enrolled there. My friends could believe how much it went up over my time there. 18k in 2000, 23k in '05 when I graduated. I know salaries haven't gone up this much in the last 15 years, these kids have to have huge debt. I wonder if there are statistics on the amount of debt students have after graduating from each college.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 14, 2017, 08:57:07 PM
Was able to answer my own question pretty quickly.

Institution          Average Student Debt
Kalamazoo                $30,608
Findlandia Uni            $30,644
Hope College             $30,724
Adrian College           $30,764
Trine University          $31,720
Alma College             $32,604
Olivet College            $32,632
Albion College            $38,988

source: http://www.collegefactual.com







Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 22, 2017, 01:08:14 AM
MIAA Preseason polls came out today.


                                 1st place votes
1.   Hope           9 points     3
2.   Olivet          14 points   2
3.   Adrian         16 points   1
4.   Trine           17 points   1
5.   Alma           24 points   
6.   Albion         33 points   
7.   Kalamazoo   34 points   

http://www.miaa.org/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/2017PreseasonPoll
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wabco on September 05, 2017, 11:22:40 AM
Just returned from Wabash vs. Albion.  Albion QB is the real deal.  Plus 2 receivers and one with good size.  That listing above showing Albion in the lower half of league should be very wrong if they can develop some D against the run.  (That said, maybe they have D against typical run game.  Wabash O line is not your typical D 3 O line.) While the game was not in doubt, the Albion QB kept it relatively close ... hats off to the kids and coaches of Albion.  Their QB/receiver game will make their running game work.  Lots of teams will rush 3/4 and drop the rest against them.  D backs need to be good or QB will have a field day.  As I said, D needs work ... but not sure as Wabash O line seemed like one of the best around for the rushing game, at least against the Albion D.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 17, 2017, 06:56:40 PM
Even though it was played under an uncharacteristically warm mid-September sun, the Hope-Lakeland game was great fun.  Hope didn't show much in the first half, but still led at the half.  Second half was up-and-down but thanks to some last minute toughness (and good fortune) the Flying Dutch prevailed.   It was especially heart-warming to see Chris Leigh score on his first touch in a long, long tIme ... a 58 yard TD run.  No doubt here that Hope will be in  the title chase.  D3 is great football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 18, 2017, 03:48:11 PM
Albion hangs 79 this week and crickets?   Kyle Thomas is going to be disruptive in the MIAA this season.  Really fine player. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on October 01, 2017, 02:00:58 AM
Stewart broke Adrian's all-time rushing rushing record today in a comeback victory over Albion. He has another year of eligibility too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2017, 09:23:37 PM
Wow, finally some good attendance at MIAA games.  7005 at Olivet for their Homecoming (beating their attendance at Homecoming last year of 6100) for a good Hope win; 3700+ at Adrian for an exciting game win vs. Albion; and 4100+ at Alma for their win against Kazoo.  Homecomings always help that (usually) ;).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 02, 2017, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 01, 2017, 09:23:37 PM
Wow, finally some good attendance at MIAA games.  7005 at Olivet for their Homecoming (beating their attendance at Homecoming last year of 6100) for a good Hope win; 3700+ at Adrian for an exciting game win vs. Albion; and 4100+ at Alma for their win against Kazoo.  Homecomings always help that (usually) ;).

Creates a couple great match up for Hope's in back to back weeks. Alma at home Saturday and Adrian for Homecoming the following Saturday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 02, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
A perfect Fall afternoon probably helped a lot.


There were nearly 10 times more people in Olivet Saturday than those that live in Olivet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 02, 2017, 01:24:32 PM
Quote from: sac on October 02, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
There were nearly 10 times more people in Olivet Saturday than those that live in Olivet.
+k for fun factoids! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on October 03, 2017, 03:42:31 PM
Adrian Oline, Alma DE, and Trine CB getting some love with the Team of the Week, congrats!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 05, 2017, 08:41:26 AM
formerd3db,

Looks like your alma mater has a good shot at the MIAA conference title! Hope you are well! :) +K
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 05, 2017, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on October 05, 2017, 08:41:26 AM
formerd3db,
Looks like your alma mater has a good shot at the MIAA conference title! Hope you are well! :) +K

Here's hoping that 1. You're right! and 2. They avoid a first round matchup against Mt. Union, Osh Kosh, or North Central :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 10, 2017, 02:11:14 PM
Where is formerd3db? ???
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 21, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Hope got exposed today.  There still is a lot of work to be done.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 22, 2017, 04:49:10 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 21, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Hope got exposed today.  There still is a lot of work to be done.

I've been to 5 of the 7 Trine games thus far this season and we've gotten off to fast starts in almost all.  Our game plan is simple, run, run, and run some more then throw in some big plays with the passing game and special teams.  Plus our defense has been solid throughout the season.  The unknown would be how we would fare against easily the best team we've played so far, as let's face it, the Trine schedule has been pretty weak this year. 

Taking the opening drive down the field and scoring was HUGE for the guys confidence.  I wasn't sure that we'd be able to run the ball against Hope like in the other games.  Hope shut down Adrian's Stewart so that was worrisome.  But the guys up front opened some lanes and got our guys in open space.  There are a bunch of really good RB's in the league, besides Stewart, Nutter, Campbell, Reinhart, and Washington come to mind, but I wouldn't trade our 2, Lamar Carswell and Mark Wilson (lightning and thunder) for any of them.  You give Carswell a gap and he is in the secondary in a heartbeat.  Wilson would prefer to run you over.  Trine getting off to the 27-0 start maybe was demoralizing to Hope, but I give them credit for responding with back to back drives for TD's in the 2nd quarter.  Your QB Opple is a monster physically.  But we bounced back with a 40 yd FG, and then the BIG key I thought was Hope not running out the clock at half and gave the ball back to Trine after a 3 and out.  I told my friend sitting next to me that look for Evan Wyse to hit Jeffery Barnett on a big TD pass right here, and wouldn't you know it, that is exactly what happened!  If Barnett were on a passing oriented team he would be an All American type player, he is that good.  I've seen him make some incredible catches this year.   

Hope got the ball to start the 2nd half, but another turnover by the Flying Dutchmen and subsequent score by the Thunder was the "we got this" moment.  This was the most fired up I've seen Trine play this year, they wanted to exact some revenge from the beatdown Hope put on them last year, plus show that that they can not only beat you with quickness but with their physicality.  Shutting down Campbell and the run game was huge, and I wasn't sure we'd be able to do that going in.

Good group of Hope fans made the trek to Angola on another gorgeous Saturday.  Good luck to your team the rest of the season.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 23, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 22, 2017, 04:49:10 PM
Good group of Hope fans made the trek to Angola on another gorgeous Saturday.  Good luck to your team the rest of the season.   
I hope they keep it up! Would love to see Trine win a couple playoff games this season!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 29, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2017, 11:25:33 AM
It looks like the Trine offense has been putting up some big numbers this year.  O-line?  Running game?  QB?  Could they crack the Top 25?  I have not been following them as closely as in the past. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 29, 2017, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2017, 11:25:33 AM
It looks like the Trine offense has been putting up some big numbers this year.  O-line?  Running game?  QB?  Could they crack the Top 25?  I have not been following them as closely as in the past.

Trine show some toughness when faced with adversity yesterday and came away with a huge win.  Defense wasn't as sharp as it had been in most games this year.  Adrian by far put up the most points/yardage against the Thunder yesterday and have a lot of offensive weapons that quite frankly Trine has not faced this year.  Stewart, Uecker, McGaw, Nutter, they are all pretty good players for Adrian.  The balance in their offense gave us fits all evening.

Still Trine was able to pull it out with a terrific 4th quarter.  QB Evan Wyse was a stud yesterday.  Every one knows he can run the ball, he is pretty powerful, but yesterday showed he can beat you with his arm too, had 3 TD passes.  Lamar Carswell had an outstanding game, he had to play a lot as the guy that Trine rotates at RB with Lamar, Mark Wilson, got banged up on his only carry yesterday and was out the rest of the game.  Seth Boggs, who is one of Trine's slot receivers, actually did some damage at tailback and scored a TD late as Trine only carries 3 tailbacks on the varsity roster; Carswell, Wilson, and freshman NiShawn Jones, who had a critical fumble in the 3rd quarter that led to Adrian tying up the game.

One of the biggest strengths of the team has been the O-line, they stay on their blocks really well and all you need is a sliver of daylight for Carswell.  Easily one of the biggest improvement from last years team has been this line.  They played well yesterday, but they have to clean up the holding calls, yesterday they had a bunch, but fortunately Trine was able to overcome almost every one to continue drives.

It's been a fun team to watch this year.  If you like offense, Trine can put up points in bunches. 

Not sure if Trine can crack the top 25 this year.  It takes some of the teams from say 15 on down to 25 in the poll to lose and you got to keep winning.  Trine's out of conference SOS hasn't been good.  So they have that against them.  Also the only team they faced in the MIAA with a winning record so far has been Hope.  So, the SOS from the MIAA has hurt them as well.  Trine finishes with Alma on the road and Olivet at home on Senior Day.  Olivet has had Trine's number the last few years, so it will be a big game in 2 weeks, and Alma always plays us close. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2017, 03:24:10 PM
Actually, I'm betting that Trine makes it into the top 25 later today!  Last week, they and Millikin tied for 24 points, the top slot among the ORVs - and Millikin lost yesterday.  It is a rare week that someone doesn't drop out of the poll, and Trine is poised to take that next slot.

On the other hand, no team in the bottom half of the poll lost yesterday, so this may be one of those rare weeks with zero drop-outs. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2017, 05:15:55 PM
New poll is out - alas, no one dropped out.  Trine did pick up an additional 9 points, and sits all alone at the top of the ORVs.

Keep the faith - if they keep winning, they WILL crack the top 25 before the season is over!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 29, 2017, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2017, 05:15:55 PM
New poll is out - alas, no one dropped out.  Trine did pick up an additional 9 points, and sits all alone at the top of the ORVs.

Keep the faith - if they keep winning, they WILL crack the top 25 before the season is over!

Still 33 pts out of #25 in the polls.  That's what a lousy SOS will do to an undefeated team. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2017, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 29, 2017, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2017, 05:15:55 PM
New poll is out - alas, no one dropped out.  Trine did pick up an additional 9 points, and sits all alone at the top of the ORVs.

Keep the faith - if they keep winning, they WILL crack the top 25 before the season is over!

Still 33 pts out of #25 in the polls.  That's what a lousy SOS will do to an undefeated team.

It's not JUST lousy SOS.  Case Western Reserve (also undefeated) has the third worst SOS in all of D3 (FAR below Trine's), yet is ranked 16th.  It is also reputational perception.  "Trine, the Rodney Dangerfield of D3!"
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 03:08:44 PM
Regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on November 01, 2017, 07:46:57 PM
Why is Case a South Region team?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 01, 2017, 07:46:57 PM
Why is Case a South Region team?

Because Case plays in the PAC.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2017, 10:14:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 01, 2017, 07:46:57 PM
Why is Case a South Region team?

Because Case plays in the PAC.

With the exception of the UAA in basketball (and maybe one or two others I've forgotten about), conference members are always put in the same region, regardless of an individual school's logical location.

But, yeah, leave it to the NCAA to put a Cleveland school in the South! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 02, 2017, 12:22:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: sflzman on November 01, 2017, 07:46:57 PM
Why is Case a South Region team?

Because Case plays in the PAC.

So, why is the PAC in the South  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
Shifting those 11 teams to the North would skew the balance a bit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2017, 10:26:39 AM
Elaborating, now that I'm at my laptop -- there are 56 teams in the South and 53 in the North. The East has 63 (if you exclude the 10 NESCAC teams who don't participate in the rankings or postseason) and the West also has 63.

About 15 years ago, the MAC was in the South as well, but the ASC and USA South added football programs and the PAC brought schools in from the NAIA, so the South has changed a bit in that period.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
New poll is out.  It took a week longer than I originally predicted, but Trine is IN at #25. ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 05, 2017, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
New poll is out.  It took a week longer than I originally predicted, but Trine is IN at #25. ;D

Yes indeed!  And with Olivet's loss to Adrian Saturday the Thunder have clinched the MIAA automatic bid regardless of this Saturday's result against Olivet.  But we are now playing for the outright MIAA championship and a better seed in the postseason tournament so the boys will be focused and ready to go.  Would be awesome if Trine can get a first round home game.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 05, 2017, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
New poll is out.  It took a week longer than I originally predicted, but Trine is IN at #25. ;D

Yes indeed!  And with Olivet's loss to Adrian Saturday the Thunder have clinched the MIAA automatic bid regardless of this Saturday's result against Olivet.  But we are now playing for the outright MIAA championship and a better seed in the postseason tournament so the boys will be focused and ready to go.  Would be awesome if Trine can get a first round home game.

Yes, the game is still critically important.  You've already secured the AQ, but a loss Saturday would likely mean going on the road for a really, really tough opponent.  A win should mean a home game against a very beatable opponent.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on November 07, 2017, 02:56:23 PM
Congrats to the Hope offensive line and Adrian WR Jerron McGaw for making the team of the week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 07, 2017, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 05, 2017, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
New poll is out.  It took a week longer than I originally predicted, but Trine is IN at #25. ;D
Yes indeed!  And with Olivet's loss to Adrian Saturday the Thunder have clinched the MIAA automatic bid regardless of this Saturday's result against Olivet.  But we are now playing for the outright MIAA championship and a better seed in the postseason tournament so the boys will be focused and ready to go.  Would be awesome if Trine can get a first round home game.
Yes, the game is still critically important.  You've already secured the AQ, but a loss Saturday would likely mean going on the road for a really, really tough opponent.  A win should mean a home game against a very beatable opponent.

Agreed. Your prize for losing is a trip to Alliance or Springfield, Ohio! (Osh Kosh, Naperville, or other "fun" destinations are also possible)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 07, 2017, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 07, 2017, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 05, 2017, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
New poll is out.  It took a week longer than I originally predicted, but Trine is IN at #25. ;D
Yes indeed!  And with Olivet's loss to Adrian Saturday the Thunder have clinched the MIAA automatic bid regardless of this Saturday's result against Olivet.  But we are now playing for the outright MIAA championship and a better seed in the postseason tournament so the boys will be focused and ready to go.  Would be awesome if Trine can get a first round home game.
Yes, the game is still critically important.  You've already secured the AQ, but a loss Saturday would likely mean going on the road for a really, really tough opponent.  A win should mean a home game against a very beatable opponent.

Agreed. Your prize for losing is a trip to Alliance or Springfield, Ohio! (Osh Kosh, Naperville, or other "fun" destinations are also possible)

I think Trine would be ecstatic to take a trip to Alliance or Springfield.  Not in the 1st round mind you, but perhaps the 2nd if we can get a win Saturday and a favorable playoff game the following week.

Trine recruits northwest Ohio extremely well, and these kids would relish playing against guys they may have played against in high school.  A trip to Mount Union or Wittenburg would be huge.  You always want to measure yourself against the best, and even in a lopsided loss perhaps, you learn how the big boys play the game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 07, 2017, 06:51:38 PM
Witt and Mount are "name brands" for OH high school players.  Taking a trip to either and playing well wouldn't hurt Trine's OH recruiting, that's for sure.  Especially under your scenario which would be 11-1, outright MIAA champs, etc.  That's a lot of positive momentum to talk to recruits about.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 08, 2017, 08:29:40 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 07, 2017, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 07, 2017, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 05, 2017, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
New poll is out.  It took a week longer than I originally predicted, but Trine is IN at #25. ;D
Yes indeed!  And with Olivet's loss to Adrian Saturday the Thunder have clinched the MIAA automatic bid regardless of this Saturday's result against Olivet.  But we are now playing for the outright MIAA championship and a better seed in the postseason tournament so the boys will be focused and ready to go.  Would be awesome if Trine can get a first round home game.
Yes, the game is still critically important.  You've already secured the AQ, but a loss Saturday would likely mean going on the road for a really, really tough opponent.  A win should mean a home game against a very beatable opponent.

Agreed. Your prize for losing is a trip to Alliance or Springfield, Ohio! (Osh Kosh, Naperville, or other "fun" destinations are also possible)

I think Trine would be ecstatic to take a trip to Alliance or Springfield.  Not in the 1st round mind you, but perhaps the 2nd....

As a Hope and MIAA fan, one who would love to see the perception of the conference improve, I was very much referring to the first round. I would LOVE to see Trine not only host, but impose their will on their first round opponent. I understand that playing at Mount would be a rewarding experience for the players, but getting blown out in the first round of the playoffs yet again does nothing to improve the perception of the conference. This Trine team is too good, such an ending would be very disappointing in my opinion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 11, 2017, 04:46:24 PM
Trine 28 Olivet 6

Trine wins the outright MIAA championship and enters the D3 playoff undefeated.  The bracket will be announced Sunday afternoon. 

Defense won the game today, it's the best defensive performance I've seen us play this year, other than the Hope game.  Olivet did score on the last play of the game, we had their quarterback scrambling on a pass play and he escaped a game ending sack and threw back to the opposite corner of the end zone to a wide open receiver (our first string D was out of the game on Olivet's last drive).  Up until then we did a really good job of not letting their receivers get deep on us.  We got a lot of pressure on the QB today and he was forced into short throws for the most part.  Not sure how many catches Saxton had, but it was a bunch, but he never broke loose for any big plays, and we were punishing on tackling him, he coughed up the ball once on a big hit by our CB Marcus Winters. 

For Trine the player of the game was Evan Wyse our QB.  Carswell gets all the publicity, as well he should, but Wyse is the glue to this team.  He doesn't get called on to throw a lot as our game is built around the ground game, and Wyse is an integral part of running the ball.  He is tough as nails.  He had just a downright NASTY run today where he stiff armed and ran over a would be Olivet tackler.  I'd love to see this play on film.  Everyone in the crowd was like, oh my he just abused that kid.  I hope Wyse gets some love when the all conference teams are announced, he deserves it.   

Great job Thunder.  Now lets go make some noise in the postseason. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 12, 2017, 06:20:42 PM
Hats off to Trine (theyll always be Tri State to me) on finishing the year without a loss. Having had the chance to watch them in person their offense is every bit as talented and explosive as it seemed on paper. If the defense can climb to that same level in the playoffs they can be a very dangerous team.

The 10-0 record was very beneficial in getting them out of taking a trip to Alliance for the first round (our fate in 2014) and got them a good draw in the first as well. As the last MIAA team to win a playoff game, hopefully they can repeat the task and improve the league perception. Best of luck next weekend against Monmouth and hopefully they have to suffer the misfortune of spending Thanksgiving prepping for round 2!

On another note, ill be curious to see how the All MIAA teams shake out on Monday. Trine and Hope will be certainly be well represented but Ill be looking for two of my Adrian favorites in Emmanuel Stewart and Jerron "Champ" McGraw to crack that first team! Its tough sledding for the RB for first team all league as all three of the top guys (Carswell, Stewart and Campbell) are more than deserving.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 12, 2017, 06:25:18 PM
Trine vs. Monmouth in the D3 football playoffs in Angola this Saturday at 12:00.  Winner will face the winner of Wartburg and Franklin.  UWO vs Lakeland and North Central vs St John's in the other half of the bracket. 

Monmouth and Trine have one common opponent this year - Hope.  Monmouth beat Hope 27-20 in week 1 and Trine defeated Hope 50-14.  Monmouth looks to have a tough D, don't give up a lot of points, and have balanced offensive attack.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 18, 2017, 10:35:25 AM
Ugh...rain, rain and more rain in store for today's Trine-Monmouth game here in Angola.  Would much rather sit in cold dry weather than rain.  Both teams can score, however this could be a low scoring affair today because of the conditions.  Keys will be which defense will play better, which offense doesn't turn the ball over, who has better field position to start drives.  Will report back after the game.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D O.C. on November 18, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
So I wake up early  :)  to watch a 9:00 am feed and I pick Trine.
It looks like gd Oregon out there.
No crowd. No teams. No fun.
Poor teams, at least I have the choice to go back to bed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2017, 04:04:54 PM
Trine game pretty much as expected.  I think they will have a good chance of advancing next week also. Would be great for them/our MIAA.  But this is the playoffs and it will be exciting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 18, 2017, 04:14:11 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 18, 2017, 10:35:25 AM
Ugh...rain, rain and more rain in store for today's Trine-Monmouth game here in Angola.  Would much rather sit in cold dry weather than rain.  Both teams can score, however this could be a low scoring affair today because of the conditions.  Keys will be which defense will play better, which offense doesn't turn the ball over, who has better field position to start drives.  Will report back after the game.   

Trine 63 Monmouth 24

Well I was wrong about the weather turning this game into a low scoring affair.  Trine played like...well...Trine has played all year.  Big play offense, a couple pick 6's on defense, and turned a half time barn burner into a route.  Monmouth reminds me of a lot like Adrian, they have a nice running back and the QB made some nice throws in the first half.

Monmouth received the kickoff and after a couple of first downs ran a pass play towards the sideline that was picked off by Hunter Hiatt who took it to the house.  Then the announcement came that there was some lightning strikes in the area and we had to clear the stands.  The Monmouth fans went to the ARC and Trine fans were directed to the University Center.  Wasn't a long delay, maybe 45 min to an hour.  Then the rest of the first half was punch by Monmouth, counter punch by Trine, lots of offense, 6 TD's alone in the 2nd quarter, 3 by each team.  I was nervous about the 2nd half, the defense really didn't show that they could stop the Scots.

But, the 2nd half proved me wrong again, the defense was outstanding, holding Monmouth to very few yards after they picked up a ton in the first half.  Trine just kept scoring.  It took the life out of Monmouth knowing they had to match score for score and couldn't keep up.  MIAA offensive MVP Evan Wyse was outstanding again, the kid has moxy.  Ran for 3 scores and threw a beautiful pass to Seth Boggs for another TD.  MIAA defensive MVP Marcus Winters wasn't do be outdone.  He closed the door on Monmouth early in the 4th with a pick 6 of his own.  From there the Trine reserves play the rest of the way and held serve.

Great game by the Thunder in miserable conditions.  Steady rain in the first half, and then the wind picked up in the second and got nasty with some driving rain.  On to the 2nd round next week.  Go Thunder! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 18, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2017, 04:04:54 PM
Trine game pretty much as expected.  I think they will have a good chance of advancing next week also. Would be great for them/our MIAA.  But this is the playoffs and it will be exciting to see what happens.

Finally I get to see a match up between MIAA AND IIAC teams.  Where the game is played will determine who has the edge ... Angola or Waverly?   The Thunder has played one Orange and Black team ... while the Knights have played two Blue and White teams.  In a world where trivia and  ennui mean nothing ... Go Wartburg.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2017, 04:58:12 PM
TUAngola:  Thanks for the summary/review.  For sure, the rain games this year have not been fun, but...the game goes on.  BTW, if I recall correctly, I believe that NCAA rules make it mandatory for a 1 hour wait after lightening is sighted before the game is allowed to resume and that count starts over again if lightening strikes again during the count.  Anyway, good luck to Trine next weekend.

DBQB:  You will have to "sit" on each side of the stadium for the game i.e. switch sides at halftime! ;) (If you can't make it to the actual game itself, you can put a dividing line on your couch! ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on November 18, 2017, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 18, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
So I wake up early  :)  to watch a 9:00 am feed and I pick Trine.
It looks like gd Oregon out there.
No crowd. No teams. No fun.
Poor teams, at least I have the choice to go back to bed.

Looks like you will get to see how "poor" of a team Trine is next week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 19, 2017, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Diezel1 on November 18, 2017, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 18, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
So I wake up early  :)  to watch a 9:00 am feed and I pick Trine.
It looks like gd Oregon out there.
No crowd. No teams. No fun.
Poor teams, at least I have the choice to go back to bed.

Looks like you will get to see how "poor" of a team Trine is next week.

I agree with you.  If Trine beats Wartburg, then we will really get to see how our MIAA representative stacks up against the winner of the NCC/UWO game.  If they were to win the latter contest, then I would say we have stepped up quite a bit. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 22, 2017, 10:19:00 PM
To all the MIAA posters, Have a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 25, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
First, thanks Raider68 and I hope you and yours had an enjoyable Thanksgiving as well.

Second, well, I am am not only surprised, but disappointed in the Trine result today.  After watching a portion of the video feed from the Wartburg/Franklin 1st round game last week (including the end), I totally expected at least a closer game.  Granted that Warburg is no slouch of a team whatsoever, however, I just thought Trine would give them a tough game and perhaps have a very good chance at going on to the 3rd round.  It is unfortunate that Trine ended up having their worst weekend of the season at this time.

Which, once again, brings me back to my belief and what I have been saying for the past several years.  Until our MIAA teams end up scheduling tougher non-conference competition, unfortunately the chances that our representative in the playoffs will make it to even the semis is slim and none.  That said, congratulations to the Trine team and coaching staff  for a very fine season.  They earned and deserved the trip to the playoffs and represented our league well.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 25, 2017, 07:10:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 25, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
First, thanks Raider68 and I hope you and yours had an enjoyable Thanksgiving as well.

Second, well, I am am not only surprised, but disappointed in the Trine result today.  After watching a portion of the video feed from the Wartburg/Franklin 1st round game last week (including the end), I totally expected at least a closer game.  Granted that Warburg is no slouch of a team whatsoever, however, I just thought Trine would give them a tough game and perhaps have a very good chance at going on to the 3rd round.  It is unfortunate that Trine ended up having their worst weekend of the season at this time.

Which, once again, brings me back to my belief and what I have been saying for the past several years.  Until our MIAA teams end up scheduling tougher non-conference competition, unfortunately the chances that our representative in the playoffs will make it to even the semis is slim and none.  That said, congratulations to the Trine team and coaching staff  for a very fine season.  They earned and deserved the trip to the playoffs and represented our league well.

Yes, congrats to Trine on such an outstanding season.  Wish the outcome today would have been better.  First time all year that Trine faced some adversity, fumbled 3 times in first part of the first quarter, got behind quickly and didn't have the firepower to come back against a really tough Wartburg team.  And once Wartburg got up they just steamrolled us.  Trine really doesn't have the passing attack to play from behind, and today was just one of those times where everything that could go wrong, did.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2017, 10:10:56 PM
Congratulations to Trine on the best season any MIAA team has had since Trine dominated with Eric Watt, et. al.

The way it ended totally shocked me.  "The Quick Hits" guys and Wartburg grad Logan Hansen all pegged it a toss-up game, and I voted Trine as the most likely visiting team to win on the front page survey (though I actually thought Frostburg was even more likely).  Then it ends up being the worst blow-out of round two!  THREE TOs in the first seven(?) minutes of the game can really produce an avalanche!  Kinda like the easy interception that UM dropped in the second quarter completely turned that game around.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2017, 10:17:12 PM
Even without being unable to hold onto the football, Trine wasn't as fast as Wartburg. They definitely had some speed on offense but Wartburg was faster across the board, and especially on defense.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 26, 2017, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2017, 10:10:56 PM
Congratulations to Trine on the best season any MIAA team has had since Trine dominated with Eric Watt, et. al.

The way it ended totally shocked me.  "The Quick Hits" guys and Wartburg grad Logan Hansen all pegged it a toss-up game, and I voted Trine as the most likely visiting team to win on the front page survey (though I actually thought Frostburg was even more likely).  Then it ends up being the worst blow-out of round two!  THREE TOs in the first seven(?) minutes of the game can really produce an avalanche!  Kinda like the easy interception that UM dropped in the second quarter completely turned that game around.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2017, 10:17:12 PM
Even without being unable to hold onto the football, Trine wasn't as fast as Wartburg. They definitely had some speed on offense but Wartburg was faster across the board, and especially on defense.

Pat, as you and others of us have discussed, that once again just underscores that the MIAA still has a long way to go as yet to become more competitive in the playoffs.  And particularly since Trine essentially blasted all the rest of us MIAA teams during the conference schedule.  Since Franklin took Wartburg to OT, I would tend to think "us other MIAA" teams would have had a tough time against Franklin.  Oh, but I am not supposed to rationalize like that as I got chastised by G.S. earlier in the year for using that kind of misguided assuming logic! ::) ;)

Mr. Ypsi, I, too, thought that dropped interception was the big turning point in the game.  Aside from O'Korn's poor performance, Michigan just seemed to be drained after that play.  Also, I have to agree with some of the other college football "experts" commentary in that Urban's comments about Barnett's knee injury were a little overreaction.  Anyway, with the the upsets that took place yesterday, it will be interesting to see how the DI playoff eventual choices turnout after the upcoming round of conference championship games.

Other general post-Thanksgiving college football topics:

BTW, although we discussed some of this the other week, I was perusing Eastern Michigan's final results of their schedule this year and it was amazing that they lost those 5 games in a row, each by 5 points or less, including Kentucky, Army.  Were it not for that stretch, they would have had a breakout season even more that last year's success.  Next year will be the "tell tale" year in the Creighton tenure I believe.  Speaking of MAC teams, Solich seems to continue to do well at Ohio.  Not as great of a season as they have had in recent years, but still continues in having winning records.  Several of the other MAC schools are in very down periods right now.  I wonder how long Akron will keep Bowden?

Also, look at Northwestern.  Wow, another 9-3 season.  While they are not a powerhouse, they have become a very regular competitive program.  Fitzgerald is a great coach.

I first saw it from Pat and his d3fb.com that Alma decided to part ways with Pscodna.  It appears that many of the DIII schools are not settling for less than continued upward progress as opposed to up/down succession of years.  It will be interesting to see who Alma selects this time.  I have not heard who is on the short list as yet.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 24, 2017, 08:07:03 AM
To all the MIAA posters, Have a Merry Christmas, Happy and Healthy New Year and safe travels! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2017, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on December 24, 2017, 08:07:03 AM
To all the MIAA posters, Have a Merry Christmas, Happy and Healthy New Year and safe travels! :)

Thanks Raider68 and the same to you and all our colleagues here and over on your OAC board as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 10, 2018, 04:05:16 PM
Great hire for Alma College in selecting one of its own, Jason Couch.  He was a great player and student there and extremely successful high school coach down in greater Detroit area.  I remember him from his days there. With his passion and love for his alma mater and coaching/teaching ethic, I believe he will bring success to Alma, and particularly with returning to the era in recruiting more student-athletes again from the southeastern portion of Michigan, which has always had a high Alma alumni base (in addition to continuing recruiting from other more northern areas of the state).  Congratulations to Couch and his family and to Alma for a fine choice. I'm sure there were many qualified candidates.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Evergreen14 on March 04, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
Hi! Just wanted to stop in and say hello. Though this is my first post, I have followed DIII football for over 25 years. I actually had my college visit at Albion just two months after they won the national championship. Anyways, love the game and this division as you really get to see the essence of what college football is about ... football. I really do not care about 100,000 seat stadiums and $15 beers. Give me student-athletes playing the game for the love of the game and earning a degree. It is just a lot of fun.

Anyways, hi! I have my dream non-conference match-ups I would like to post for thoughts. But, not sure where to do that. Been fun reading these boards for so long and I thought it was about time to join in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 04, 2018, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on March 04, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
Hi! Just wanted to stop in and say hello. Though this is my first post, I have followed DIII football for over 25 years. I actually had my college visit at Albion just two months after they won the national championship. Anyways, love the game and this division as you really get to see the essence of what college football is about ... football. I really do not care about 100,000 seat stadiums and $15 beers. Give me student-athletes playing the game for the love of the game and earning a degree. It is just a lot of fun.

Anyways, hi! I have my dream non-conference match-ups I would like to post for thoughts. But, not sure where to do that. Been fun reading these boards for so long and I thought it was about time to join in.

Welcome to the board, Evergreeen.  Great to have you.  As you can see from the number of posts, our MIAA board has, unfortunately, been sorely lacking for several years in more frequent discussion.  There are a few of us old "die hards" who still post fairly occasional, however, we've lost many of our past regulars and are always hoping for some new contributors here.

I'm sure I speak for our colleagues here as well, yet we welcome your opinions, and including on such topics as your "dream non-conference" match-ups, so post them here, yet you can post them/your comments on any of the boards.  Just be careful, though, as some of the posters on other boards can be vicious AND I will forgive you for having your college visit at our arch football rival Albion (just kidding!!! ;D :)).  Anyway, again, welcome and good to have you join us.  It will be good to have some new perspective here on the various topics.

P.S.  The "off-season" period can be kind of a "free-for-all" as far as topics are concerned and, in that regard, your dream non-conference "wish-list" is most appropriate!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 05, 2018, 11:46:52 AM
formerd3db:

Do you believe both Hope and Thomas More win their next games to face off in WBB this weekend for the trip to the Final 4?? 

I don't follow close enough to know much about either team but I hope TMC is ready for what they'll face on Hope's floor.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Evergreen14 on March 06, 2018, 04:44:25 PM
hank you for the welcome, formerd3db! Been to primarily MIAA and OAC games over the years and one Stagg Bowl (2005).

Ok, some of my dream, regular season, non-conference match-ups. If these teams have played before in the regular season, let me know. I know this website goes back about twenty years for schedules. I really like what UMHB and Linfield have done playing each other and Linfield even going to Case Western a few years ago. Great for the teams and the fans. Maybe a chance to see a regular season meeting for the first time between two great programs.

It would be neat, to me, to see any MIAA school, especially Hope, Albion, or Trine play against in a home-and-home with:
John Carroll, Baldwin-Wallace, Mount Union, Franklin, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan, St. John's, St. Thomas, UW-Oshkosh, UW-Whitewater, UW-Platteville, or UW-Lacrosse.

St. Johns or St. Thomas play UW-Whitewater, UW-Lacrosse, UW-Oshkosh, or UW-Platteville. Amazing those four WIAC schools have not been on either team's schedule this century.

Mount Union vs. Linfield

John Carroll or Mount Union vs. Brockport or Thomas More

Finlandia vs. any school in Texas. Imagine that travel!

Just some ideas for now. Please feel free to add to this. Maybe this can be a whole new topic. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on March 06, 2018, 04:54:34 PM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on March 06, 2018, 04:44:25 PM

St. Johns or St. Thomas play UW-Whitewater, UW-Lacrosse, UW-Oshkosh, or UW-Platteville. Amazing those four WIAC schools have not been on either team's schedule this century.


St Thomas played UW-Lacrosse in 2013 and 2014. Those were down years for the Lacrosse program though. I'd love to see the Tommies take on any of those teams again.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Evergreen14 on March 06, 2018, 05:30:42 PM
Thanks for fixing my mistake, jamtoTommie. :) Love DIII football.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 06, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on March 06, 2018, 04:44:25 PM
hank you for the welcome, formerd3db! Been to primarily MIAA and OAC games over the years and one Stagg Bowl (2005).

Ok, some of my dream, regular season, non-conference match-ups. If these teams have played before in the regular season, let me know. I know this website goes back about twenty years for schedules. I really like what UMHB and Linfield have done playing each other and Linfield even going to Case Western a few years ago. Great for the teams and the fans. Maybe a chance to see a regular season meeting for the first time between two great programs.

It would be neat, to me, to see any MIAA school, especially Hope, Albion, or Trine play against in a home-and-home with:
John Carroll, Baldwin-Wallace, Mount Union, Franklin, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan, St. John's, St. Thomas, UW-Oshkosh, UW-Whitewater, UW-Platteville, or UW-Lacrosse.

St. Johns or St. Thomas play UW-Whitewater, UW-Lacrosse, UW-Oshkosh, or UW-Platteville. Amazing those four WIAC schools have not been on either team's schedule this century.

Mount Union vs. Linfield

John Carroll or Mount Union vs. Brockport or Thomas More

Finlandia vs. any school in Texas. Imagine that travel!

Just some ideas for now. Please feel free to add to this. Maybe this can be a whole new topic. :)

Hope and IWU had home-and-home series for 6 years (2008-13).  IWU won all the games, but except for a couple of years they were always close, hard-fought games.  Don't know why the series ended, but perhaps formerd3db knows (he is a team doctor for Hope).  Perhaps it was a casualty of the CCIW adding a 9th team, dropping non-con games from 3 to 2.  Over that same time period, IWU had a 6-season home-and-home series with Alma - with only one or two exceptions, those games were IWU blowouts.  IWU has also played Albion and Olivet in recent years, though I think only once each.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on March 06, 2018, 07:38:14 PM
Adrian played a home and home with BW in 2000 and 2001, didn't go well for us. Then again, few things were going well for us at that time.

2000 - at Baldwin-Wallace L, 49-3
2001 - vs. Baldwin-Wallace L, 45-7
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on March 07, 2018, 08:35:38 AM
Alma's opening at BW this year for a Thursday night game - I also expect the scores to be rather ugly. Jake Hudson can play
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Evergreen14 on March 07, 2018, 10:17:31 AM
Hopefully, the MIAA can continue to improve as a whole and be more competitive out-of-conference with teams they may currently be underdogs against.

What are your thoughts on Finlandia joining as a football-only school? From a logistics standpoint, it will be nice having eight teams so that each team can have a conference game the final seven games of the year. Plus, one less non-conference game to try to find later in the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on March 07, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on March 07, 2018, 10:17:31 AM
Hopefully, the MIAA can continue to improve as a whole and be more competitive out-of-conference with teams they may currently be underdogs against.

What are your thoughts on Finlandia joining as a football-only school? From a logistics standpoint, it will be nice having eight teams so that each team can have a conference game the final seven games of the year. Plus, one less non-conference game to try to find later in the season.

It will be nice from numbers standpoint to have an even 8 in the conference, but the road trips they will have to make for every away game, include out of conference are going to be tough. I wonder if they have aspirations of moving to D2 eventually. They would have two D2 teams in the U.P. and several of the L.P. D2 are a few hours closer than most of the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 07, 2018, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on March 05, 2018, 11:46:52 AM
formerd3db:

Do you believe both Hope and Thomas More win their next games to face off in WBB this weekend for the trip to the Final 4?? 

I don't follow close enough to know much about either team but I hope TMC is ready for what they'll face on Hope's floor.

Apologies for the delayed reply!  As I have always primarily been "just a football guy" as you and many other of our colleagues on the D3 boards know  ;D, admittedly, I do not follow Hope's women's basketball much, at least not as much as I should (and please, no comments from our other colleagues here or other boards about being "sexist" :) because I am not).  Also, I have only followed Hope's men's basketball somewhat tangentially, although more than I do for the women's team.

That being said, my "gut feeling" is that Hope and Thomas More both will have a very good changes at making the Final 4 and that would be a great match-up.  Of course, as you and all of us know, anything can happen in these tournaments as is already being seen this week in many of the DI bb tournaments around the country.  It only takes one "off night" to ruin it!  Yet, hopefully both H and TM will be victorious and move on to the tourney.  Thanks for the shout-out about this!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 07, 2018, 05:02:23 PM
You are welcome, Evergreen.  We are glad to have you.  I'll try to add to the comments that our other colleagues have shared here.

First, thanks everyone (waxx, sfzman, Mr. Ypsi, JammtoTommie) for recalling the history of various series in response to Evergreen's topic an questions.  All very interesting.

As Mr. Ypsi points out and alludes to, as I recall, there were various reasons why the MIAA (as well as other conferences) decided to go to the conference agreements for a "several year series" of home-on-home games for a period of years.  However, one of the main reasons, if not the top reason, was to cut down on travel costs and play more closer regional games, which also secondarily helps in the "in region" consideration of competition for the playoffs, even though the Automatic Bid is present for the conference champion. Also, as Ypsi says, with the cut down to 2 or 3 non-conference games for some teams/conferences, it was kind of an easier situation to have a several year series and, again, with less traveling distances.  Of course, in Finlandia's situaion, "it is just the way it is" for them, although not any worse than MIAA teams having to travel that far for one game every other year or for that matter, the DII GLIAC teams in Ohio/southern Michigan having to travel way up there to Houghton and Marquette.  BTW, I am glad to have Finlandia in.  There only other "viable" conference option, I believe, would have been the NCAA.  They are still a program in growth.

For sure, many of us "old timers" have longed for returning to some of the historic and/or more common past match-ups; for example, Hope/Wabash, Hope/Wheaton, Hope/DePauw, similar to the IWU series and NP series, etc. When I was with my brother's school (Alma) a few years ago, Alma played the likes of Wittenberg, Thomas More, Franklin).  Many of the MIAA schools played DII regular season opponents (Valparaiso, University of Indianapolis [formerly Indiana Central], Ferris State, Michigan Tech, etc.,) and the thought was always that by playing "up" in competition, over time, it really helped improve the talent level of the players as well as, obviously, in recruiting.  However, that went by the wayside with the Div III playoffs in that playing against "out of division and/or region" teams does not count or help.  Nonetheless, I personally still like when DIII teams play a DII or an FCS division opponent occasionally and see nothing wrong with it for various reasons (although, I am probably in the minority in that opinion).

And finally, as many of us have discussed here in the past years, unfortunately, the MIAA conference has not been as good talent-wise as they have in past decades and there are several reasons for that. Hopefully, however, that will improve in the next few years, although I am not sure.

Great discussion friends.  Hope everyone is doing well.  It is only March and we are not finished with the college basketball season as yet and have the college baseball season and lacrosse season starting also, but...I am ready for DIII football season already!   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 07, 2018, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: waxx on March 07, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on March 07, 2018, 10:17:31 AM
Hopefully, the MIAA can continue to improve as a whole and be more competitive out-of-conference with teams they may currently be underdogs against.

What are your thoughts on Finlandia joining as a football-only school? From a logistics standpoint, it will be nice having eight teams so that each team can have a conference game the final seven games of the year. Plus, one less non-conference game to try to find later in the season.

It will be nice from numbers standpoint to have an even 8 in the conference, but the road trips they will have to make for every away game, include out of conference are going to be tough. I wonder if they have aspirations of moving to D2 eventually. They would have two D2 teams in the U.P. and several of the L.P. D2 are a few hours closer than most of the MIAA.

Interesting point, waxx.  However, it is highly unlikely Finlandia would ever consider DII.  That is not their vision (recall they also have DIII NCAA hockey).  They are having a difficult enough time establishing their DIII football team even early on (perhaps even a little tougher than when "new teams" such as Lake Erie College and Notre Dame College, Davenport, Siena Heights, and Concordia-Ann Arbor started their programs in recent years; BTW, Lawrence Tech is apparently starting football again after a several decade hiatus).  Finlandia has a new head coach and turnover in the coaching staff, smaller roster last year after their first couple of years due to an exit of players for various reasons.  However, I do not doubt they will be able to establish a decent program in time.  They have a nice facility (turf field, scoreboard, new nice athletic/locker room facility next to the football field and plans for more permanent stadium stands soon to come.  I know one of the players on the team, so have been privy to some of this "background" info.  Anyway, just my thoughts on your question.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on March 08, 2018, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 07, 2018, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: waxx on March 07, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: Evergreen14 on March 07, 2018, 10:17:31 AM
Hopefully, the MIAA can continue to improve as a whole and be more competitive out-of-conference with teams they may currently be underdogs against.

What are your thoughts on Finlandia joining as a football-only school? From a logistics standpoint, it will be nice having eight teams so that each team can have a conference game the final seven games of the year. Plus, one less non-conference game to try to find later in the season.

It will be nice from numbers standpoint to have an even 8 in the conference, but the road trips they will have to make for every away game, include out of conference are going to be tough. I wonder if they have aspirations of moving to D2 eventually. They would have two D2 teams in the U.P. and several of the L.P. D2 are a few hours closer than most of the MIAA.

Interesting point, waxx.  However, it is highly unlikely Finlandia would ever consider DII.  That is not their vision (recall they also have DIII NCAA hockey).  They are having a difficult enough time establishing their DIII football team even early on (perhaps even a little tougher than when "new teams" such as Lake Erie College and Notre Dame College, Davenport, Siena Heights, and Concordia-Ann Arbor started their programs in recent years; BTW, Lawrence Tech is apparently starting football again after a several decade hiatus).  Finlandia has a new head coach and turnover in the coaching staff, smaller roster last year after their first couple of years due to an exit of players for various reasons.  However, I do not doubt they will be able to establish a decent program in time.  They have a nice facility (turf field, scoreboard, new nice athletic/locker room facility next to the football field and plans for more permanent stadium stands soon to come.  I know one of the players on the team, so have been privy to some of this "background" info.  Anyway, just my thoughts on your question.

Thanks for the insight, I don't know much about Finlandia so I was just spit-balling. Any idea what their recruiting strategy and target areas have been? I feel like a lot of U.P. players would be scooped up by the two DII teams up there. But then again, maybe guys who used to go to one of those D2 schools and ride the bench will choose Finlandia because of a better opportunity to play.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2018, 03:02:22 PM
Finlandia needs to figure out its strategy, because bringing a bunch of players up from Florida to the U.P. definitely did not work. Player retention has been awful, and Finlandia University *really* needs football to fill some beds consistently.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 09, 2018, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2018, 03:02:22 PM
Finlandia needs to figure out its strategy, because bringing a bunch of players up from Florida to the U.P. definitely did not work. Player retention has been awful, and Finlandia University *really* needs football to fill some beds consistently.

You are correct, Pat. I agree with you entirely.  Their early path after the inaugural season has not been smooth and certainly unlike many of the other DIII football programs that were started (or restarted after a many year hiatus) over the past decade plus.  Perhaps this new restructured coaching staff will be able to begin some consistency.

One of the challenges involving and in addition to the problem you outlined i.e. player retention and attracting players there is that high school football in Michigan's Upper Peninsula is facing tough times in having low numbers of kids available in their communities.  A good number of those small high schools have had to go to 8-man and some even 6-man football programs. Not many young families moving to UP and those top h.s. players obviously will go to better programs (in any division) downstate and/or out-of-state instead of to Houghton. Last year's .500 season for Finlandia was "okay" (and given/understanding the competition they played and the small roster), however, as you say, they need to figure it out over the next couple of years.  It will be a big challenge, but not impossible. Playing in the MIAA I would think will be helpful.  Of course, we will see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: UWO Titan 78 on April 19, 2018, 12:32:36 PM
I saw that Finlandia has announced another new Interim Coach today. This can't help recruiting. I would think moving to the MIAC would help them. When I played at Oshkosh we recruited the UP pretty hard. I know they lose some elite talent to Northern Michigan, but I would think if they could keep the UP talent, Finlandia would be able to compete. But I would expect them to be competitive in hockey, and they struggle there as well. I have no idea what the University's focus is when it comes to athletics.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 19, 2018, 01:51:11 PM
Man -- yet another weird turn in that program's short history.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 20, 2018, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 09, 2018, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2018, 03:02:22 PM
Finlandia needs to figure out its strategy, because bringing a bunch of players up from Florida to the U.P. definitely did not work. Player retention has been awful, and Finlandia University *really* needs football to fill some beds consistently.

You are correct, Pat. I agree with you entirely.  Their early path after the inaugural season has not been smooth and certainly unlike many of the other DIII football programs that were started (or restarted after a many year hiatus) over the past decade plus.  Perhaps this new restructured coaching staff will be able to begin some consistency.

One of the challenges involving and in addition to the problem you outlined i.e. player retention and attracting players there is that high school football in Michigan's Upper Peninsula is facing tough times in having low numbers of kids available in their communities.  A good number of those small high schools have had to go to 8-man and some even 6-man football programs. Not many young families moving to UP and those top h.s. players obviously will go to better programs (in any division) downstate and/or out-of-state instead of to Houghton. Last year's .500 season for Finlandia was "okay" (and given/understanding the competition they played and the small roster), however, as you say, they need to figure it out over the next couple of years.  It will be a big challenge, but not impossible. Playing in the MIAA I would think will be helpful.  Of course, we will see.

The declining and aging population of the U.P., and its concomitant impact upon U.P. high-school sports, is only one problem that Finlandia faces in recruiting Yooper footballers. The other is the dismal economic situation up there, which has been an ongoing problem for a long, long time. Even though Finlandia is on the inexpensive side for a private school, there aren't many Yoopers that can afford to shell out 20K a year for their kid's education. Little wonder that the school has only a 57% first-year retention rate, and that fewer than a third of Finlandia students graduate in six years or less.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Evergreen14 on April 24, 2018, 07:13:35 PM
I really feel for Finlandia. I hope they can pull through this adversity and have a competitive first campaign in the MIAA. Maybe even win a conference game. Good for the school and the conference, in my opinion. Their softball team was pretty good this year (18-12) and some of their other teams (baseball and both basketball teams) have picked up some victories. For a school that small, I am just happy to see some level of success and hope it spreads to the football team. It probably will take time in the MIAA. Consistency with coaching and players, as mentioned above, is going to be needed to be successful.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 21, 2018, 05:37:48 PM
With 6 weeks to go before the season opener, what will the MIAA see in football this year?  Is this Hope's breakout season?  Can Trine repeat as conference champs?  Will Finlandia find a conference win ... if so, who will it be?  How will the MIAA fare in non-conference play.   Who is the odds on favorite for the MIAA title? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 01, 2018, 02:13:43 PM
Or not.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 01, 2018, 05:30:56 PM
DBQ1965

You're right, very little chatter here with fall camp opening up next week.  Not sure about the rest of the league but Trine should have a solid squad again this year.  On offense we lose MIAA offensive POY Evan Wyse at QB.  That will be a big hole to fill, especially running the ball, his instrincts were uncanny as a runner, and he could run you over too.  We still have a lot of weapons returning though, all MIAA performers Lamar Carswell at RB. Jeffrey Barnett at WR and kick returner, and Elijah Klepper at TE.  The line lost a 3 starters including 2 1st team all conference guys, so the development of the line is going to be something to watch in camp.  Carswell has to stay healthy too as we didn't have much depth at RB last year behind Carswell and Mark Wilson, who graduated. 

On defense, the strength will be our cornerbacks and linebackers.  MIAA defensive POY Marcus Winters returns at CB along with his buddy at the other corner, Cayleel Hill.  Both Winters and Hill have garnered some preseaon All American accolades in various publications.  LB Simeon Washington also is a big hitter returning.  The front loses 4 yr starter Me'leick Miles at DT, he was a stud on the line.  I think the biggest question on defense is how the DL fairs this year.  We played a lot of guys on DL last year but there is no one guy who stood out like Me'leick did.  We lost a good safety and punter in Robert Riley too.  PK is in good hands, hopefully someone can step up as that #1 punter in camp.

As far as where the others are at I think Hope, Adrian and Olivet will be in the top half.  Albion had an uncharacteristic bad year last year but I like their QB, they should be improved.  Alma has a new Coach, they are a wild card, don't know what to expect.  Finlandia is an unknown, they probably won't have the depth the other MIAA schools have, except for maybe Kalamazoo, it will be interesting to see how they fare in the MIAA.

Trine has a Top 25 preseason ranking in the DIII football poll but that poll looks to be roughly based on last years performance.  I've seen other publications that don't have Trine ranked at all.  I'd like to think we'll "reload" but football is fickle, the margin between winning and losing isn't very big at all.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2018, 07:30:20 PM
Trine wasn't on my ballot, either. But I only have one of the 25 votes -- the other 24 outvoted me.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 01, 2018, 07:44:55 PM
Thanks TUAngola for your assessment of the Thunder.   I would add that the inside linebackers will continue to get excellent coaching ... from a UD grad.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 07, 2018, 05:02:22 PM
Congratulations to Olivet!

https://herosports.com/college-football/best-mascot-nickname-rankings-auau

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 14, 2018, 12:24:34 PM
sure

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 20, 2018, 05:29:17 PM
MIAA football coaches poll out today.  Predicted order of finish:

1) Trine - 7 1st place votes
2) Hope - 1 1st place vote
3) Adrian
4) Olivet
5) Albion
6) Alma
7) Kalamazoo
8) Finlandia

This is pretty much how I would have picked the preseason poll too.  I do think Albion will be much better and could push into the top 4.  10 days until the season starts for both Trine and Alma, they both have Thursday night tilts before the Labor Day weekend sees the rest of the league starting. 

Sure isn't much chatter in the MIAA football boards like there used to be.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 22, 2018, 02:37:36 PM
That's pretty much how I would have ordered them as well. It really wouldn't surprise me if Hope makes it real close with Trine. Stuursma seems like the real deal and the 3rd year is often a boom for good coaches as their recruits are now Juniors and the seniors have been in the system for a couple seasons.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 25, 2018, 04:16:41 PM
Breaking down Hope's roster by class

Sr.  --19
Jr.   --21
So  --27
Fr.   --32

Out of their roster of 99, two-thirds have now played 2 years for Stuursma and only 19 played in a different system.   They return 5 offensive, 6 defensive starters.


Stuursma is 15-5 overall and 10-2 (MIAA) in his two years at Hope (14-2 in the last 16), there's not a lot of "upside" left other than winning the MIAA Championship.   Lest we forget Hope was actually the pre-season favorite in 2017 and set school records for points and rushing yards.   They've been pretty good already.

There does appear to be some kind of gap between Hope and Trine but I think optimism seems high for 2018.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 25, 2018, 07:39:13 PM
Quote from: sac on August 25, 2018, 04:16:41 PM
Breaking down Hope's roster by class

Sr.  --19
Jr.   --21
So  --27
Fr.   --32

Out of their roster of 99, two-thirds have now played 2 years for Stuursma and only 19 played in a different system.   They return 5 offensive, 6 defensive starters.


Stuursma is 15-5 overall and 10-2 (MIAA) in his two years at Hope (14-2 in the last 16), there's not a lot of "upside" left other than winning the MIAA Championship.   Lest we forget Hope was actually the pre-season favorite in 2017 and set school records for points and rushing yards.   They've been pretty good already.

There does appear to be some kind of gap between Hope and Trine but I think optimism seems high for 2018.

sac, you always have good, sound insight and evaluation.  I agree with your overall assessment.  However, I would only add that I believe we will need to win all the MIAA games.  Another one loss league season will not do it, unless, of course Hope would be the one who defeated the other one loss teams by the overall higher scores.  IMO, that would be a very tough task this year, not only against Trine, but likely the other 4 teams which were voted in the top 5 in the coaches poll.  But, as always, we'll just have to see how things start out and shape up!

Also, it always amazes me how the attrition in the classes go, which basically, has been what has occurred historically for decades.  Big classes come in as freshman and you have a dozen or slightly more that stick it out for 4 years.  Way "back in my day", we had 40 freshmen in my class (Hope had 110 for football, which was the largest number the College had ever had to that date as I recall and Coach Smith made the first cuts ever in the history of the program to get it down to 90).  After four years, we had 14 in our senior class.  All that said, it is pretty much the same at most schools and certainly understandable for obvious reasons.

Looking over at the OAC board, one of the posters did a great summary of the entire numbers for all the Ohio colleges and universities that sponsor intercollegiate football at all the levels.  A very interesting piece of information.  Perhaps someone might do that for our state? ::) ;) (sorry, I don't have the time to do it! :))

We'll have more conversation with you on this board soon I'm sure as the season progresses.  Thanks again for an interesting and informational post.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 30, 2018, 08:48:11 AM
Alma and Trine open their seasons  tonight.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  I suspect Trine will beat Manchester, although Alma might have a challenge at BW.  Hope opens tomorrow night hosting Millikin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2018, 08:48:52 AM
I'll be at both Trine and Hope the next two nights to start the season off!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 30, 2018, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2018, 08:48:52 AM
I'll be at both Trine and Hope the next two nights to start the season off!

I too will be at Hope.  Welcome to Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 30, 2018, 05:26:33 PM
I'll be at Trine.  1st game, you never know what to expect.  Both Manchester and Trine have good running attacks.  New QB's for Trine, heard that both Duckett and Winters will get some series, we shall see.  I believe the defense will be ahead of the offense for Trine for this 1st game, lots of experience on D. Will be interesting to see what happens tonight.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 31, 2018, 05:08:43 PM
Trine 55 Manchester 7

Great start to the 2018 season.  Trine come out flying in the 1st quarter to go up 27-0.  Trine with 3 possessions resulting in 3 quick TDs before Manchester could get anything going.  Manchester then with what was probably their best drive of the night, but with the worst possible outcome as they tried a FG on 4th down.  Bad snap with ball rolling back to the kicker who made a lousy throw and resulted in pick6 by Cayleel Hill for a 90 yd TD.  Trine with a lackluster effort in the 2nd quarter, but regained control in the 3rd quarter to put the game away.  4th quarter uneventful, 2nds, 3rds and 4ths getting to play.  Vanilla stuff.   

Some takeaways.  Lamar Carswell = Stud.  I encourage you other posters if you get a chance to watch him play, do it, this is his final year.  He broke a couple Tri-State/Trine records last night, most points in a career and most TDs in a career.  He had another TD called back because of a holding penalty.  He's always been a quick guy, but I think he's gotten stronger this year and takes on more tacklers before going down.  Once he breaks line of containment its lights out, no one is catching him.  And he has that special gift of making plays out of nothing.  On one of his touchdown runs, he should have been stopped for a loss, but has a knack for making guys look bad trying to take him down.  He's a special talent, something you don't see often in DIII.

Trine rotated QBs between Andrew Duckett and Brandon Winters.  As expected they both can run, which is what Trine does with their QBs.  I'd like to see more passing attempts, but once we got up big in the 1st quarter we really didn't throw much at all.  When he did throw, Duckett was right on the money with his passes.  Offensive line looked good, we have some big guys. 

Defense, played pretty well.  Had one series where we gave up some big runs, but generally won in the trenches.  LB Hunter Hiatt with a pick6 to end the scoring in the 3rd quarter.  Our secondary is the strenghth of the D.  3 out of the 4 starters had picks.  2017 MIAA DPOY Marcus Winters is now tied for 1st in career interceptions.  Kicking game, punt and kick coverage were good.  1 missed PAT by Garza where it appeared he lost his footing and didn't get a good leg into the ball, everything else was money.  Kickoff guy Hibbets has a cannon for a leg, most all kickoffs were at the goal line or into the endzone.

Packed house, 5100, great atmosphere.  Manchester with a good crowd too, and brought a fan bus with students.

Got Bluffton at home next Saturday.  One game at a time.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 02, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
First weekend games are now in the books and no one is talking here?  No recaps?  Good?  Bad?  Ugly? 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2018, 09:59:50 PM
Pat:
Very sorry I missed seeing you at Hope. I didn't check the board before leaving Friday to drive down to the game, so didn't know you were going to be there. I'm disappointed in not having the chance to visit with you, obviously no fault of yours. If you stayed until the end, and I had known, I would certainly have made the effort to seek you out to chat for a few minutes at least. I did have to work at the end of the game in suturing up one of our player's hand laceration!☺

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed coming to our stadium. Hopefully, if you ever chose to come back, please let me know. You must be a bit tired after all that driving the past 3-4 days! You are getting to be like me in that regard to the traveling!😀 Best to you. Talk to you again on the boards soon I'm sure.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Diezel1 on September 03, 2018, 08:01:07 AM
Pat,

What is your take on the two MIAA teams you saw this weekend?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on September 04, 2018, 10:06:20 AM
Just announced this morning that Craig Rundle will retire after the 2018 season and 22 years of being the head coach at Albion College.

While Coach Rundle's tenure will never live up to the glories of Pete Schmidt and the Britons of the 90s, he's put together a remarkable career at Albion including 7 MIAA championships. He leads all Albion head coaches in victories, and is 2nd in the MIAA all time in years coached, victories, and championships (3rd, technically as 1st is shared by Schmidt and Hope's Ray Smith).

Albion announced the current assistant head coach, offensive coordinator, and Albion alumnus Dustin Beurer will succeed Rundle. Beurer has been on staff since 2008 has directed some of the MIAA's most prolific offenses in his 10 years as an assistant coach.

In terms of the Britons themselves, I expect an improved squad this year that is probably a year away from being a contender for the conference championship, but should challenge for 3rd in the league with Adrian and Olivet. I wouldn't read too much into their 59-6 demolition of Defiance as that squad was extremely young (like 60% freshmen), and had only had a head coach for 3 weeks. They host HCAC favorite Franklin this Saturday in what will be an important out of conference measuring stick for the Britons.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 04, 2018, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on September 04, 2018, 10:06:20 AM
Just announced this morning that Craig Rundle will retire after the 2018 season and 22 years of being the head coach at Albion College.

While Coach Rundle's tenure will never live up to the glories of Pete Schmidt and the Britons of the 90s, he's put together a remarkable career at Albion including 7 MIAA championships. He leads all Albion head coaches in victories, and is 2nd in the MIAA all time in years coached, victories, and championships (3rd, technically as 1st is shared by Schmidt and Hope's Ray Smith).

Albion announced the current assistant head coach, offensive coordinator, and Albion alumnus Dustin Beurer will succeed Rundle. Beurer has been on staff since 2008 has directed some of the MIAA's most prolific offenses in his 10 years as an assistant coach.

In terms of the Britons themselves, I expect an improved squad this year that is probably a year away from being a contender for the conference championship, but should challenge for 3rd in the league with Adrian and Olivet. I wouldn't read too much into their 59-6 demolition of Defiance as that squad was extremely young (like 60% freshmen), and had only had a head coach for 3 weeks. They host HCAC favorite Franklin this Saturday in what will be an important out of conference measuring stick for the Britons.

I was wondering when this would happen.  I thought it would be after this year or perhaps next.  I'm assuming that Polnasek had no interest in returning to being a head coach and the Albion administration probably wanted someone younger and who might stay on longer. Wasil hasn't had coordinator experience as yet (correct?) and the other potential "within" candidate long time assistant D.J. Rheberg?  Was he not interested or Albion just not interested in him as H.C.?  Just curious as to if you know any of the additional inside info.

I suspect Albion will be improved from last year and I would never count them out in any MIAA game, especially against my Hope.  As you know, in most years (when Albion wasn't pounding everyone), that rivalry is a very intense contest regardless of whose stadium it is played at.  I am looking forward to that game this year.  It is back in the spot on the schedule when it was way back in my day! The latter due to the longstanding league schedule rotation, of course.  Anyway, thanks for the info on the Rundle announcement.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on September 05, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
I don't have any inside info really, but having watched the team pretty close up for the last 11 years I can tell you that Beurer was "the guy" on offense. He was always huddling with the offense on the sidelines when they were off the field and he was the one calling plays. He was certainly higher in the pecking order than Wasil who has only worked with QBs as far as I know.

I think your supposition that Polnasek didn't want to assume the top roll at this point in his career is a correct one. Plus, Greg's always been a guy who likes cooking three small dishes than one big dish I think. I don't think he's ever worked somewhere he had less than three jobs either coaching or in the athletic department.

I don't know about Rehberg, I'm not even sure if they had an "application" process. It sounds like Rundle went to the AD Matt Arend and said "I'm done, and I think Beurer should replace me", and he and the AD asked Beurer and he accepted. In all, i do think he's the guy who has the pulse of the team and has the most recent period of sustained success coaching on his side of the ball, and I think that makes him the best internal choice.  You do wonder what external candidates might have thrown their name in the ring however.

The Hope-Albion rivalry is indeed intense oftentimes with much on the line, between two great schools with outstanding football tradition. Can't get much better for a fall Saturday afternoon. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2018, 07:03:10 PM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on September 05, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
I don't have any inside info really, but having watched the team pretty close up for the last 11 years I can tell you that Beurer was "the guy" on offense. He was always huddling with the offense on the sidelines when they were off the field and he was the one calling plays. He was certainly higher in the pecking order than Wasil who has only worked with QBs as far as I know.

I think your supposition that Polnasek didn't want to assume the top roll at this point in his career is a correct one. Plus, Greg's always been a guy who likes cooking three small dishes than one big dish I think. I don't think he's ever worked somewhere he had less than three jobs either coaching or in the athletic department.

I don't know about Rehberg, I'm not even sure if they had an "application" process. It sounds like Rundle went to the AD Matt Arend and said "I'm done, and I think Beurer should replace me", and he and the AD asked Beurer and he accepted. In all, i do think he's the guy who has the pulse of the team and has the most recent period of sustained success coaching on his side of the ball, and I think that makes him the best internal choice.  You do wonder what external candidates might have thrown their name in the ring however.

The Hope-Albion rivalry is indeed intense oftentimes with much on the line, between two great schools with outstanding football tradition. Can't get much better for a fall Saturday afternoon. :)

I agree with your suppositions also-those all make the most sense.  Thanks for the follow-up comments.  I, too, would have been interested to see who from the outside would have applied.  However, as you have mentioned, Beurer was was/is probably the best choice and a good one.

I am surprised we haven't heard from any other of our fellow posters here relating their thoughts on Rundle's decision and career.  It will be interesting to see how your Britons end up this year in the W-L column.  I also believe they will have a better record than last year, although I do think the parity in the league will be again evident this year.  Even if Albion ends up with a .500 or sub.500 season, he will still have a well-above .500 career record in his overall head coaching record.  Not bad at all.  While he certainly was not my favorite coach in the MIAA for a variety of reasons, I still have to give him credit for a fine overall career and especially at his alma mater.  With his stepping down, it pretty much puts the closing chapter on the veteran MIAA coaches era over the past several years and the link to, at least my and others long past MIAA days. ;)  But that is just life and we'll all keep moving forward.

Perhaps see you at the Albion/Hope game if you are able to attend that weekend.  As it is at your S-S stadium, I do not doubt that we'll have a tough time there as always.  Yet, as I said before, I am certainly looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on September 07, 2018, 02:51:16 PM
It's difficult for me as an Adrian alum to ever compliment Albion on anything but it seems like this was the perfect way to handle the situation. It was done in a way that should minimize staff turnover and should have almost no negative effect on recruiting.

I was only able to watch the first half of the Adrian-ONU game and it was tough to see the momentum shift after the 1st quarter. Adrian had to the ball for almost 13 minutes in the first and scored early in the 2nd quarter. If I recall correctly, ONU's first TD came after a 3rd down stop, but a personal foul on Adrian. And then from there it ONU just took control for the rest of the half. Hopefully, they can get back on track at home against Buffalo St.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 08, 2018, 08:21:53 AM
How about Keith McMillan's "dictionary words matchup" description of the Hope - Defiance game?  That defnitely is worth "plus karma".
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 09, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
Nice day for the MIAA yesterday.  We ran the table...well except for Finlandia.  Caught a little of the Albion-Franklin game on video.  Albion is going to be a load in the league this year.  Their offense is very skilled.  QB Thomas will be all conference and probably POY if he leads Albion to league title.  I knew they'd be much improved from last year.  Olivet and Adrian with impressive offensive displays too yesterday, Hope's D was lights out against Definace.  Kalamazoo and Alma have gotten off to good starts as well.  Will be interesting to see how it all plays out this year one league competition starts. 

Trine with a 21 pt win over Bluffton yesterday, but we stunk it up on offense.  Part of that is because Bluffton's D line completely dominated our O line.  That was very disappointing, especially coming off such a dominating performance last week against Manchester.  Give credit to Bluffton though, their defense is a lot better than Manchester's in the HCAC.  We could not block Zickafoose at all.  All of Carswell's yards were pretty much out of improvisation on plays that weren't blocked very well.  Passing game is a work in progress, or if this is as good as it gets, then we're in trouble.  Offensive play calling by the coaching staff is way too predictable, need to mix it up more.  On the other side of the ball the defense was OUTSTANDING again.  If it wasn't for broken coverage on a Bluffton pass right before halftime, it would have been an almost perfect defensive game.  Bluffton's slot guy went uncovered on that play for a 70 yd TD, there wasn't anyone within 10-15 yds of him.

Trine with a big test on the road at Lakeland next week.  Then a week off before heading up to Holland for the conference opener against Hope.  We aren't a Top25 team IMHO.  Not sure if we need to go with one QB for continuity or not, jury is still out if rotating is going to work.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on September 09, 2018, 03:34:15 PM
Adrian started a new quarterback yesterday in freshman Jack Wurzer. He went 17-20 for 309 yards and a school record 6 TDs on no INTs. Not a bad debut. He got a lot of help from WR McGaw who caught 13 for 256 yards and 5 TDs. I know it's only one game, but if he continues to play well, it might help us feel a little better about life without Stewart after this season. Another good road test as they travel to Aurora next week. Have a good week everyone!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 09, 2018, 08:52:51 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 09, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
Nice day for the MIAA yesterday.  We ran the table...well except for Finlandia.  Caught a little of the Albion-Franklin game on video.  Albion is going to be a load in the league this year.  Their offense is very skilled.  QB Thomas will be all conference and probably POY if he leads Albion to league title.  I knew they'd be much improved from last year.  Olivet and Adrian with impressive offensive displays too yesterday, Hope's D was lights out against Definace.  Kalamazoo and Alma have gotten off to good starts as well.  Will be interesting to see how it all plays out this year one league competition starts. 

Trine with a 21 pt win over Bluffton yesterday, but we stunk it up on offense.  Part of that is because Bluffton's D line completely dominated our O line.  That was very disappointing, especially coming off such a dominating performance last week against Manchester.  Give credit to Bluffton though, their defense is a lot better than Manchester's in the HCAC.  We could not block Zickafoose at all.  All of Carswell's yards were pretty much out of improvisation on plays that weren't blocked very well.  Passing game is a work in progress, or if this is as good as it gets, then we're in trouble.  Offensive play calling by the coaching staff is way too predictable, need to mix it up more.  On the other side of the ball the defense was OUTSTANDING again.  If it wasn't for broken coverage on a Bluffton pass right before halftime, it would have been an almost perfect defensive game.  Bluffton's slot guy went uncovered on that play for a 70 yd TD, there wasn't anyone within 10-15 yds of him.

Trine with a big test on the road at Lakeland next week.  Then a week off before heading up to Holland for the conference opener against Hope.  We aren't a Top25 team IMHO.  Not sure if we need to go with one QB for continuity or not, jury is still out if rotating is going to work.   

These early non-conference games are just that, too early to really assess how our MIAA teams will actually be.  Both Albion and Hope's victories against Defiance are a "non-measure", IMO, because Defiance is not a good team, although as I have previously mentioned, I believe Albion will be markedly improved this year and in contention for the title.  However, Franklin is in a slightly down year according to some of their followers.  Likewise, difficult to gauge how Olivet is as Chicago-Concordia is not that good and Olivet (barely) lost their first game to a team that is in a rebuilding mode somewhat as compared to recent years.  I was surprised they lost that first game. Alma gets blasted by an improved B-W team, but wins, yet not "big" against Manchester. 

Regarding your Trine, I think it unlikely they will have a difficult time at Lakeland this weekend even though it is an away game as the latter team is supposed to be in a rebuilding year according to some on their board as I recall.  Thus, I do not believe it will be much of a test for Trine.  Finlandia...well, what can we say?  It is as expected, but I'm rooting for them to keep at it!  Good start for Kazoo-they are probably on par with Oberlin, but I would have expected them to beat Greenville.  We'll see how they continue to respond.

A question...why the QB change at Adrian, if you or anybody knows?  Granted, the Freshman's numbers for the game were fantastic, however, the numbers for the Junior who started the season opener were not that shabby really.  Just curious.  Adrian will be good this year, however, again, difficult to assess after their first two games as Buffalo State is not a great team this year either it would appear.

Just my random general thoughts after reading yours. :) 

BTW, great win for Eastern Michigan against Purdue.  Granted the latter is not a good team and in a rebuilding year, but, the W is a W and a good one for Creighton and his team.  Hopefully, they won't pull the same stunt as last year and lose the next 6 games, however, as I recall, they lost all of those by very few points and probably should have won at least 4 of those at the minimum and possibly more.  Perhaps Mr. Ypsi will weigh in on this for us if he graces us with his posting pen as he does on occasion. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on September 09, 2018, 10:46:54 PM
formerd3db: I am not sure the reason for the change at QB. I did not hear them mention an injury during the webcast and I am not close to the team so it's a mystery to me. My guess would be they just liked what they saw in practice from Wurzer enough that they had to give him a shot, but again, pure speculation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 10, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
If the box scores are correct and they appear to be, Finlandia has used just 14 and 16 players in its first two games.

Yikes

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: sac on September 10, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
If the box scores are correct and they appear to be, Finlandia has used just 14 and 16 players in its first two games.

Yikes

I see 35 listed on the participation report for the opener:
http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2018/boxscores/20180901_nar0.xml?view=participation
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 10, 2018, 03:49:33 PM
Ok now I see Finlandia's site lists the participation section in the box score differently, I only counted "participants":    https://fulions.com/boxscore.aspx?id=2488&path=fball


They've used 35 and 34, which is still yikes.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2018, 04:00:44 PM
Participation reports are pretty hit-or-miss in Division III, but I would be surprised if they used more than 40 or so. They only have 49 on the roster.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 10, 2018, 05:21:12 PM
https://twitter.com/AlmaScots/status/1039261743300714496
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2018, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2018, 04:00:44 PM
Participation reports are pretty hit-or-miss in Division III, but I would be surprised if they used more than 40 or so. They only have 49 on the roster.

Hey Pat:

I understand what you mean.  As you mention, some Division III schools use i.e. post those, others apparently do not.  I have noticed that Finlandia has used them the past years, which, IMO, is a good thing as it is informational and interesting, for example, if one desires to see who played and who did not. 

BTW, again, my apologies for missing you at our Hope game in Week 1.  I hope you had a good time and enjoyed your visit to our place.
Not a bad crowd turnout for an opener, right?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2018, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: sac on September 10, 2018, 05:21:12 PM
https://twitter.com/AlmaScots/status/1039261743300714496

sac:

Thanks for posting the link.  Crouch was always a "company guy!"  The Kilt fits right in with all that.  I also see where it appears he has changed Alma's helmets back to the Denny Stoltz/Phil Brooks era of the late 1960s/early 1970s-white with the two maroon strips.  Wow, what a change from the longtime maroon helmets in the couple of decades after that, to the recent few years of the maroon top/transition to white and the block "A" with the official school tartan. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 25, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
Conference play begins Saturday:

Finlandia at Olivet
Adrian at Kalamazoo
Albion at Alma
Trine at Hope

I'll be making the trip to Holland this weekend.  Not my first trip to Hope as I've been to a couple basketball games there, but my first for football.  An important game right off the bat for each school.  I've watched the Thunder beat Manchester and Bluffton, but hard to gauge where we are at against middle of the pack HCAC teams.  Convincing win at Lakeland, but from what I've heard they are in rebuilding mode from the playoff team of last year.  I'm sure Hope will be fired up to exact some revenge on the bad loss in Angola last year.  I don't look for it to be a high scoring game, both defenses have played well so far, and the forecast calls for some precipitation.  Has any other posters seen both Trine and Hope this year?  What are your thoughts, keys to the game? Gametime is 5pm, is there a reason Hope plays late afternoon games?  Do high schools use the field on Saturdays?  Where is the football stadium parking located?

Other matchups may be one sided, but, we'll see if Kalamazoo is the real deal or not against Adrian.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 25, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 25, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
Conference play begins Saturday:

Finlandia at Olivet
Adrian at Kalamazoo
Albion at Alma
Trine at Hope

I'll be making the trip to Holland this weekend.  Not my first trip to Hope as I've been to a couple basketball games there, but my first for football.  An important game right off the bat for each school.  I've watched the Thunder beat Manchester and Bluffton, but hard to gauge where we are at against middle of the pack HCAC teams.  Convincing win at Lakeland, but from what I've heard they are in rebuilding mode from the playoff team of last year.  I'm sure Hope will be fired up to exact some revenge on the bad loss in Angola last year.  I don't look for it to be a high scoring game, both defenses have played well so far, and the forecast calls for some precipitation.  Has any other posters seen both Trine and Hope this year?  What are your thoughts, keys to the game? Gametime is 5pm, is there a reason Hope plays late afternoon games?  Do high schools use the field on Saturdays?  Where is the football stadium parking located?

Other matchups may be one sided, but, we'll see if Kalamazoo is the real deal or not against Adrian.   

Hey TUAngola .. I hope to be at the game also ... sitting on the Trine side. Usually I am in the top row wearing my SPARTANS University of Dubuque hat.  I  saw Hope's opener against Milikin. Hope played a great first half but the didn't seem able to handle Milikin's second half defensive adjustments ... and fumbles hurt them ... while the Milikin QB had success both running and passing.  Their next two games were lopsided victories so it will be interesting to see how Hope does against Trine's usually tough defense. There is limited parking next to the stadium, almost all spaces going to Hope early arrivals and tail-gaters.   Street parking isn't bad and I usually come up with a space within a block or two of the stadium when I arrive early.  There is ample parking a couple of blocks away at the Devos Fieldhouse ... enter off 11th street.  Perhaps former3db has some better recommendations.  Maybe we'll see each other Saturday.  Safe travels.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 26, 2018, 12:12:03 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 25, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
Conference play begins Saturday:

Finlandia at Olivet
Adrian at Kalamazoo
Albion at Alma
Trine at Hope

I'll be making the trip to Holland this weekend.  Not my first trip to Hope as I've been to a couple basketball games there, but my first for football.  An important game right off the bat for each school.  I've watched the Thunder beat Manchester and Bluffton, but hard to gauge where we are at against middle of the pack HCAC teams.  Convincing win at Lakeland, but from what I've heard they are in rebuilding mode from the playoff team of last year.  I'm sure Hope will be fired up to exact some revenge on the bad loss in Angola last year.  I don't look for it to be a high scoring game, both defenses have played well so far, and the forecast calls for some precipitation.  Has any other posters seen both Trine and Hope this year?  What are your thoughts, keys to the game? Gametime is 5pm, is there a reason Hope plays late afternoon games?  Do high schools use the field on Saturdays? Where is the football stadium parking located?

Other matchups may be one sided, but, we'll see if Kalamazoo is the real deal or not against Adrian.   

I don't think there's any great rhyme or reason for Hope's 5pm kickoffs.   I think they've had some issues with soccer or volleyball being played at the same time so perhaps they try to keep times separated better these days.   There is a women's soccer game at noon but in a few weeks their next 5pm kickoff is on a free and clear weekend when both soccer programs and volleyball are away so I don't know.

Holland High does play at the stadium but on Friday nights, and Friday night this week they are away.


Twilight football is great anyway, so enjoy.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 27, 2018, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 25, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 25, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
Conference play begins Saturday:

Finlandia at Olivet
Adrian at Kalamazoo
Albion at Alma
Trine at Hope

I'll be making the trip to Holland this weekend.  Not my first trip to Hope as I've been to a couple basketball games there, but my first for football.  An important game right off the bat for each school.  I've watched the Thunder beat Manchester and Bluffton, but hard to gauge where we are at against middle of the pack HCAC teams.  Convincing win at Lakeland, but from what I've heard they are in rebuilding mode from the playoff team of last year.  I'm sure Hope will be fired up to exact some revenge on the bad loss in Angola last year.  I don't look for it to be a high scoring game, both defenses have played well so far, and the forecast calls for some precipitation.  Has any other posters seen both Trine and Hope this year?  What are your thoughts, keys to the game? Gametime is 5pm, is there a reason Hope plays late afternoon games?  Do high schools use the field on Saturdays?  Where is the football stadium parking located?

Other matchups may be one sided, but, we'll see if Kalamazoo is the real deal or not against Adrian.   

Hey TUAngola .. I hope to be at the game also ... sitting on the Trine side. Usually I am in the top row wearing my SPARTANS University of Dubuque hat.  I  saw Hope's opener against Milikin. Hope played a great first half but the didn't seem able to handle Milikin's second half defensive adjustments ... and fumbles hurt them ... while the Milikin QB had success both running and passing.  Their next two games were lopsided victories so it will be interesting to see how Hope does against Trine's usually tough defense. There is limited parking next to the stadium, almost all spaces going to Hope early arrivals and tail-gaters.   Street parking isn't bad and I usually come up with a space within a block or two of the stadium when I arrive early.  There is ample parking a couple of blocks away at the Devos Fieldhouse ... enter off 11th street.  Perhaps former3db has some better recommendations.  Maybe we'll see each other Saturday.  Safe travels.

Thanks for the parking info DBQ1965.  I don't mind a walk so not too concerned about getting a parking spot next to the stadium.  Maybe the precipitation will stay away until late evening.  AccuWeather says 13% during the day and 55% overnight.  High of 62.  Good football temps.  I'll see if I can find you and say hi. 

Disappointed in the lack of football chatter here.  There are more posts on the MIAA basketball board in the offseason then there is on the football board in season.  Don't get me wrong, I love hoops too, probably more than football, but not sure where all the MIAA football fans are at.  Maybe if Calvin fielded a team....   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 29, 2018, 09:28:42 PM
Big win for Trine tonight ... tough loss for Hope.  Could be an interesting MIAA conference battle before it's all over. TUAngola tracked me down at half-time and it was cool to connect with a D3.com follower.  Also great to sit with knowledgeable and passionate Trine fans.  And while not MIAA,  with Dubuque's wild, literally last second 49-42 win over Loras, there is nothing like D3 football.  Pat ...thanks for all you and your crew do for us.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 01, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
TUAngola and DBQ1965:

Sorry I missed you seeing both of you (I was a little busy, I guess).  I hope you did not have to park too far away.  For sure, as was discussed in your prior posts, parking is always an issue at Smith Stadium if you don't get there early, although the walk from the DeVos lot is not that long.

As to the game, as mentioned, a tough and disappointing loss for Hope, but a momentum gainer for Hope.  In all honesty, and not taking away anything from Trine, Hope should have won the game.  Three botched TD passes (one overthrown, one dropped in the endzone after our QB rifled it in between 3 Trine defenders-it was a perfect "thru the eye of a needle" throw, and the other negated by an offensive receiver holding call, although the latter was controversial). That said, we had our chances and simply blew it.  Trine is a very good team and I was extremely impressed with their RB who was so quick and fast, our defensive people had difficult time stopping him, even after making initial contact, he was hard to tackle.  Hope's defensive secondary did not have a great game, too many open spots, soft coverage, IMO.   

Overall, while the league race is by no means over, I believe Trine is in a great position, although Olivet and Albion will be a challenge I'm sure.  Certainly, we'll have a chance to assess that more after this upcoming weekend when we play at Albion. I am anxious to see how they really are.  They are obviously better than they have been the past 2 years, although I am skeptical they are as good as some people are saying-yet admittedly, that is my saying that without having seen them play.  Our Hope is a good team and they have spurts of real greatness, however, they have to find a way to put it all together, sustain that momentum for an entire game, as DBQ1965 has already mentioned.  We could have easily been 4-0 right now, but let that slip away.

With regard to the twilight games, those are nice and I'm sure the College wants to take advantage of the lights at the stadium more than once per season.  However, with all this crazy rainy weather, we were lucky to get the game in before the downpour started about an hour later.  Holding the games later in the day seems to have hit the pattern of losing the nice weather in the usual "regular" game time slots of 1 PM the past two years, although that is obviously an unpredictable situation.

One last comment...how about those Kalamazoo Hornets 4-0 so far and likely to be 5-0.  But then, they have the last half of the season, although I think they may have a good chance at winning at least one, possibly two of those games.  The only disappointment so far is that they just can't seem to get more than 700 fans to a game.  A shame.  And speaking of attendance, I was quite disappointed that only 2600 showed up Saturday at Hope for what had title implications for the MIAA.  I expected much more than that, especially after 3600 at the first home game and Hope now having two winning seasons in a row with better records.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 01, 2018, 06:55:04 PM
Nice trip to Holland this weekend ending in a Trine "W".  It was good to chat a bit at halftime with DBQ1965, thanks for sitting on the "good guys" side,  ::)

It wasn't always pretty but I'll take the W.  Hope is a talented team, their defense can really swarm.  The stretch running plays to Carswell, which is a staple of Trine's offense, was ineffective for the most part because of Hope's athleticism.  I get frustrated with that play, I mean I realize Trine wants to get Carswell in space, but it's also one that can end with big losses or holding penalties on the OLine when a defender tries to break free from a block.  I think we're a better run between the tackles type team this year. 

Other observations:

Way too many penalties, I think one drive Hope didn't even need their offense to move the football, it was like 3 or 4 personal foul type penalties all in a row.  Fortunately the defense held with a big goal line stand, but ending up with a safety for Hope when Winters was tackled in the end zone on a pass play call.

Speaking of Brandon Winters, I think he is the better option at QB right now, just seems he throws a better, tighter ball than Duckett.  But, he also had a few costly mistakes too, the safety and a fumble.  His older brother Marcus Winters also had an uncharacteristic fumble on a punt return.   

Even though we gave up 25 pts I thought our defense played pretty well for the most part.  Gave up a couple long passes, and could have had a couple more as Hope just missed on some big passes down the field with our defenders beaten on the plays.  Opple runs pretty well for a big QB, he's a load.  I remember him from the game last year in Angola that he was going to be a nice player for Hope.

One of the things I thought we had the edge was the kicking and special teams play.  Yes we missed a chip shot field goal and Hope's kicker was accurate with his attempts, but our punting/kickoffs were better and our kickoff coverage was solid too.  Not sure why Hope always tried the pooch kickoffs, and he also kicked a couple out of bounds.  It gave us short fields to start drives whereas Hope rarely started a drive past the 20-25 yd line.

Smith Stadium...my first time there.  Parked on one of the side streets, wasn't too bad of a walk.  Without any college band it felt more like a high school type atmosphere.  With the size of Hope College I was surprised they didn't have a marching band, or at least a pep band playing in the stands.  Hope stands looked full across the way, except for the far north part of the stands.  The visiting stands had plenty of seating, almost too much.  I thought it was a decent crowd for the "coolish" weather.  If they had played the game at 1pm, then there would have been plenty of sunshine, at least to start the game.

Speaking of fans, I am not sure if any of you at the game noticed the ongoing "trash talk" between some Hope fans sitting on the wall in the SE end zone and some Trine players.  Not sure it they were Hope students or high school kids, couldn't tell.  I was disappointed in that, the Trine coaches should have done something to get the players back to the bench, maybe the coaches were unaware.  But the players gotta be smarter than that, just let it go.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 07, 2018, 03:03:01 PM
Trine 52 Alma 24

Don't be deceived by the score, it was a ballgame for almost 3 quarters.  Check out this stat:  time of possession, Alma 46 minutes, Trine 14 minutes, and Alma did not win the game!!.  Folks, that is not a typo.  Has there ever been a bigger disparity in time of possession in a game before, no less be on the losing end with that big of an advantage?  I was very impressed by how Alma's offense could move the ball on our defense, which has been the strength of our team...well other than Lamar Carswell.  Alma is very methodical, they huddle every play, use the whole play clock, and execute their run game.  They were very good at converting 3rd downs too.  We just couldn't get their offense off the field.  It didn't make matters any better for our defense in that our offense didn't waste much time to score when we got the ball, so the defense didn't get to rest much.  In that first half our defense was gassed.  But give credit to some adjustments made at halftime as our defense played much better.  When Alma had to start trying to throw then we could be a little more aggressive in getting to the QB and came up with a couple sacks and a couple turnovers in the second half with getting more pressure on their offense.  But whoo boy they had us on the ropes for a while, and took the fans out of the game.

Speaking of fans, announced attendance 6175 for Homecoming.  Not sure but that might be an all time high?  There were a lot of people that's for sure, we were packed in on the home side, lots of overflow standing around the field, plus we used the visitors stands for additional Trine crowd too.  Alma did have a nice crowd as well.     

Lastly, Lamar had another terrific game, 19 carries for 293 and 5 TDs, his career high.  Once he gets by the Dline into open space he is virtually impossible to bring down because of his speed and change of direction skill.  We've been very fortunate to have a guy of his skill set here at Trine.  I'm sure the rest of the conference will be glad to see him graduate this year. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on October 08, 2018, 02:15:19 PM
Thanks for the updates TUAngola. I didn't watch it but Adrian on Homecoming, oof. Nice to see Kalamazoo get another win, even if it was Findlandia. They have a tough rest of their schedule, I will be genuinely curious if they can win these games against the top half of the MIAA.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2018, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: waxx on October 08, 2018, 02:15:19 PM
Thanks for the updates TUAngola. I didn't watch it but Adrian on Homecoming, oof. Nice to see Kalamazoo get another win, even if it was Findlandia. They have a tough rest of their schedule, I will be genuinely curious if they can win these games against the top half of the MIAA.

Indeed, it had been a great start/first half of the season for Coach Zorbo and his Kazoo charges.As you mention, it will be a tough second half of the season and, the odds are that they will end up 5-5. Hiwever, I do not believe they can be totally counted it for that as you should recall that in the lady 3-4 years (not counting lady year) they have come up with some upset wins against Hope, Albion and even beat Alma one year. I think they mAy have a chance at beating at least one team, perhaps Alma, Adrian or even Albion. One more win and 6-4 season would be a fantastic achievement for Zorbo and his staff and players, given the challenges they have faced fir that program. I hope that happens

A tough situation is that they just can't seem to get more attendance to their home games- under 1,000 is a shame. I hope they can get past that at some point in the future. They did have over 4,000 for Homecoming a few years ago. If they start winning more consistently, that might happen (increased attendance). Kazoo has a great history for football, and they will never drop the program, but it would be nice to see them rise in the areas I've mentioned. If Olivet can do it, so can Kazoo. I wish them luck the rest of the way this season, except against us, if course!😀
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on October 09, 2018, 03:36:56 PM
Game notes from the last two weeks.

Albion 37, Alma 34, 2OT: Alma should have won this game. They converted a 3rd and 8 with less than 2 minutes to go up 4, with, unfortunately as it turned out, a big play that took them down inside the 10. But with a 1st and goal, Albion's D didn't have to worry about anything downfield and stiffened, holding the Scots for three down and using timeouts to preserve the clock. A successful field goal extended the lead to 3 with 1:45 left, just enough time for Albion to march down the field and score a tying touchdown. Overtime 1 featured an Albion 3 and out and a dying duck field goal that was good by less than 4 inches, followed by an Alma possession where they nearly scored twice, but settled for a FG of their own. Overtime featured an Alma 3 and out, followed by a field goal missed by hitting the left upright, and a made winning field goal on Albion's ensuing possession. Overall I was much impressed with the Scots, they are young and rapidly improving under their new coach. I think they will be a threat in the remainder of their games and will probably pull an upset somewhere along the way.

Albion 24, Hope 29: A beautiful homecoming Saturday where the rain held off just long enough to play some football. I should mention that while the city of Albion's reputation has suffered considerably of late, their is some real signs of revitalization going on downtown that were exciting to see. To any other MIAA posters who visit Albion this year, I recommend a cruise down Superior Street to see what's new.

The game itself was a hard fought contest between 2 teams in the upper echelon of the conference. I thought Hope was making a serious tactical error when they put their offense away in the 4th quarter, just trying to run the clock down, I fully expected a patented Albion game winning drive. The Dutch defenders were equal to the task however nabbing three interceptions on Albion's final 3 possessions. While the DBs got all the stats, I was most impressed by the way Hope's front 7 got pressure on Albion's QB Kyle Thomas in a way no other team has managed this year, but were then able to contain Thomas when he attempted to break the pocket, forcing the young QB into some tough spots in which he made some poor decisions. Hopefully for the purple and gold faithful this will be a great learning experience for the young Mr Thomas.

As far as the rest of the league is concerned, Trine is sitting pretty with no losses. I believe their game with Albion will determine whether they sweep the league or whether the title picture will be more muddled. That said Kalamazoo is still 2-0 and will have their say, and Olivet is looking like it might be a contender. I had Olivet and Adrian at about the same level coming into the year, a step behind Albion, Hope, and Trine, but the Comets took it to the Bulldogs, leading 43-6 at halftime. It will be interesting to see what Olivet does against the other top teams, they've got a great chance to make a statement this week.

The leaves are changing color, and the MIAA race is heating up; fall as God intended.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on October 13, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
Kalamazoo with the upset in Albion, maybe they are legit. I think their success is great for the league, shake things up a bit.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 13, 2018, 06:12:50 PM
Trine vs Olivet proved to be a barn-burner with the Thunder prevalent 50 - 49.  But a somber moment came on a PAT when players unlpiled and an Olivet player lay motionless, face down on the turf.  I never saw an movement by the player and canot confirm his identity.   After a wait of about 30 minutes, during which the player was placed.on a Stryker board and ultimately placed in the ambulance for transport to a hospital.   When anyone has any update on the player's condition,  please post here. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 13, 2018, 08:38:05 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 13, 2018, 06:12:50 PM
Trine vs Olivet proved to be a barn-burner with the Thunder prevalent 50 - 49.  But a somber moment came on a PAT when players unlpiled and an Olivet player lay motionless, face down on the turf.  I never saw an movement by the player and canot confirm his identity.   After a wait of about 30 minutes, during which the player was placed.on a Stryker board and ultimately placed in the ambulance for transport to a hospital.   When anyone has any update on the player's condition,  please post here.

I believe the injured Olivet player was a defensive lineman, I think I got the jersey number when the trainers/EMTs rolled him on his back, but I won't put a name on the board because I'm not 100% sure of who it was.  Did not see any movement from the young man when he was being attended too.  I hope he will be ok.  Just goes to show how dangerous this sport can be, and puts everything in perspective.  This is just a game.

Another nail biter for the Thunder.  Olivet was impressive, which I knew they would be coming in to the game.  Nice running game, and we didn't cover Jodway very well out of the slot receiver position.  I wish our defensive coaches would have made the adjustment to put either Winters or Hill on Jodway wherever he lined up.  But more often than not we had a safety or nickel guy on him, and it was a big mismatch in favor of Jodway.  He made some big plays that's for sure.  Olivet's coach went for the 2 pt conversion and the win at the end, and it was a gutsy call, but our D stuffed Porter on a QB keeper.  I would have played for the tie and OT myself, especially at home.  Their offense was cruising.  2nd game in a row the T.O.P. was a huge advantage in favor of our opponent.     

We could easily be 0-3 in the MIAA instead of 3-0.  Lots of parity in the league this year.   Any of 7 teams can beat the other on a given night.  Doesn't appear that Finlandia will muster a win however, but you never know.  Kalamazoo with a signature win against Albion, they appear to be for real.  Their defense has especially played very well.

2 individual Trine/Tri-State records broken in this game.  Lamar Carswell is now the all time leader in career rushing yards.  And Jeffery Barnett is now the record holder in career receiving yards.  Congratulations guys!


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2018, 11:57:39 PM
Wow, interesting day on the MIAA. Congratulations to Coach Zorbo and his Kazoo players foe securing a winning season. They just might have a chance at the title. All of the rest if us remaining to play them had better come with their "A" game effort.

Barnburner @ Olivet. I  would have gone fir the tie and OT ad well. Trine is good, but it is okay to have some luck as they have had! The title is theirs to win or lose. BTW, stopped at Trine's campus on the way down to a conference in Georgia today after Hope's game. Really nice campus, blend of old historic buildings and new, even more than the last time I was there with Hope.

Hope as expected against Finlandia today. Finalandia obviously has a long way to go fir improving the program However,   they will eventually get there. I give them credit as their players never gave up and have a positive attitude. I wish them the best. My friend scored their only touchdown today. I also congratulate Coach S and our team for a good game and nit getting up with any over confidence just because we were playing a less talented team. We still have an outside chance at the title.

Finally, some nice weather for football!!!

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on October 14, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
It's not a big surprise they didn't, but I was hoping to Kzoo get a vote for top 25. I know their schedule to this point hasn't been great, but I thought a win over Adrian and then Albion might raise a few voters eyebrows. They have a winnable game with Alma this week and then a gauntlet to finish; Olivet, Hope, Trine. I'm rooting for them but I think a final record better than 7-3 would be a big surprise.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2018, 07:49:02 PM
Quote from: waxx on October 14, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
It's not a big surprise they didn't, but I was hoping to Kzoo get a vote for top 25. I know their schedule to this point has been great, but I thought a win over Adrian and then Albion might raise a few voters eyebrows. They have a winnable game with Alma this week and then a gauntlet to finish; Olivet, Hope, Trine. I'm rooting for them but I think a final record better than 7-3 would be a big surprise.

Not only hasnt been great, but the third-worst SOS for an unbeaten team in D3.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 20, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
Hope holds on to the victory against Olivet tonight. Great offensive play, running game of our QB and RBs and some key receiver catches helped, although defense was alternatingly "on/off"at times, yet cane up with key plays when needed. Good punting most of the time despite the winds helped as well. Olivet is a good team (QB, RB, some linemen), however, just seemed to not be a me to put it together at the times they needed it. I suspect that has been true for their other losses this season.

Homecoming game for Hope had very disappointing attendance, although I suppose much of that was due to the terrible Mr weather-wise rain, then very cold and extremly windy. It also doesn't help that there are many other events going on at the same time on campus by various groups, but that is the way it has to be.

Kalamazoo continues to amaze me. Wow, they are 7-0 and who would have predicted that at the beginning of this season? I will admit that a couple weeks ago when they reached 5-0, I believed they would likely be 5-6. However, while they probably will end up 7-3 with the tough remaining three games (Olivet, Hope and Trine), none of those teams should take them lightly. Only disappointment for Kazoo, IMO, is they still can't get more people out to their games-a other 750 attendance today and that is a shame.

Alma is up next for us and that is always a special game to me for obvious reasons.☺ A return to that campus will be a trip down memory lane.

Until then, have a great week everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2018, 01:58:49 PM
Regional rankings are out: 
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 31, 2018, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2018, 07:49:02 PM
Quote from: waxx on October 14, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
It's not a big surprise they didn't, but I was hoping to Kzoo get a vote for top 25. I know their schedule to this point has been great, but I thought a win over Adrian and then Albion might raise a few voters eyebrows. They have a winnable game with Alma this week and then a gauntlet to finish; Olivet, Hope, Trine. I'm rooting for them but I think a final record better than 7-3 would be a big surprise.

Not only hasnt been great, but the third-worst SOS for an unbeaten team in D3.

For 2018 or all-time?

(years in which they've kept SOS numbers)

Nevermind, dumb question
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2018, 01:32:51 PM
A few musings after the weekend games:

Hope had a solid game against Kalamazoo this past Saturday.  After only leading 13-7 at halftime (after a missed PAT) and the touchdown after we pulled a fake FG attempt! I was glad to see Coach Sturs choose that play!  A good trick play once in a while is a good thing.  It was a good win for the Seniors on Senior Day, always a day of mixed emotions for those in that category.  The Kalamazoo team I saw on Saturday was the best team they have had in a long time, IMO, even better than when they beat us at their place 3 years ago in 2015.  The first half showed it, however, their offense fell flat and both Hope's offense and defense rose to the occasion and wore them down.  Clearly, Hope is a better team, however, it still is a great season for Kazoo, which will end up most likely 7-3, unless Trine has a terrible off day next Saturday.

For Hope, assuming we beat Adrian (which we should, but it is always tough down at their place regardless), another 8-2 season will be wonderful.  The only disappointment is, of course, not winning the title and getting the AQ even if we were to end up being co-champs. 

One aspect that I would just throw out here for discussion is the following...have any of you noticed it seems (at least to me) that overall attendance at DIII football games this year is extremely down?  I have noticed that many schools are not even getting 1,000 fans to their home games. At Hope, it is disappointing as we will now have had 3 winning seasons in a row and home attendance has been terrible, IMO.  Certainly not like it was back in our winning years, even in the "old" days.  Disappointing, IMO. I am not sure why other than a possible contribution to this may be the extremely bad weather i.e. rainy seasons we have had for football these past two years.  I noticed the attendance dip trend last year as well. I would have to check more, however, I believe this trend has also occurred to some degree across all the NCAA football divisions.  Thoughts anyone?

I would just add that we have been extremely lax this year on our MIAA board.  For whatever the reason, the participation has been paltry at best, and that includes me as well :(
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 05, 2018, 03:07:02 PM
Trine has consistently been in the top 10 to 15 in attendance for some time now.  They avg 4800 fans this year which would put them at number 3 nationally with 2017 attendance. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 05, 2018, 03:17:53 PM
I was very impressed with the number of people at the earlier Hope games. Unfortunately, drawing and losing to Trine at the front end of the season surely decimated attendance numbers for the second half of the season. I do think Hope tends to have somewhat fair weather fans, both metaphorically and literally. Games in dicey October and November weather for a team all but eliminated from playoff contention just won't get the turnout that you'd hope to get.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 05, 2018, 07:47:56 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 05, 2018, 03:07:02 PM
Trine has consistently been in the top 10 to 15 in attendance for some time now.  They avg 4800 fans this year which would put them at number 3 nationally with 2017 attendance.

Yes, I meant to have included the statement ..."with the exception of Trine and Olivet (and possibly Albion at least last year it two also).
Quote from: HOPEful on November 05, 2018, 03:17:53 PM
I was very impressed with the number of people at the earlier Hope games. Unfortunately, drawing and losing to Trine at the front end of the season surely decimated attendance numbers for the second half of the season. I do think Hope tends to have somewhat fair weather fans, both metaphorically and literally. Games in dicey October and November weather for a team all but eliminated from playoff contention just won't get the turnout that you'd hope to get.

I would agree with that. Yet, again even in some past years several years ago, we still had upwards of 3,000+ at games when the title was not necessarily on play towards the end of the seasons. According to some Hope students I have talked to, unfortunately football just doesn't quite have the higher stature it once had on campus. I hope that will change. Ack over time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 07, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
I've chatted with others who think the makeup of Hope's student body has changed over the years and being a part of the athletics scene just isn't their priority.  Student attendance at basketball has been hit or miss to way way down the last few years unless its Calvin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 08, 2018, 09:31:59 AM
Quote from: sac on November 07, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
I've chatted with others who think the makeup of Hope's student body has changed over the years and being a part of the athletics scene just isn't their priority.  Student attendance at basketball has been hit or miss to way way down the last few years unless its Calvin.
Last year, basketball was WAY down. However, they played very few games at home before the students left on break. Once they returned, the team was 6-6, hardly a record that's going to draw the casual fan's attention. Worse yet, only 2 of their MIAA home games were Saturdays, and the Dew Crew has always had an easier time showing up on Saturdays vs. Wednesday nights.

I think this season will be a much better barometer for student attendance. The men's basketball team returns pretty much everyone other than Dante Hawkins and plays 6 home games before Christmas.

For football, I do think the numbers are very weather related. Students at Hope tend to look at distance away from campus MUCH differently than at bigger schools. It may sound funny, but the 1 mile walk to the football stadium is a very long ways away in the eyes of a student, especially on a less than perfect October or November day. I don't think a non-playoff Hope team will ever draw a large student crowd in October or November.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 11, 2018, 08:59:20 AM
Congrats to Trine on their back-to-back undefeated MIAA championships.  This years team not as dominant as last years overall, but it's tough to win football games every week and this year's team is good at finishing games and found a way to get the W's.  I went to a majority of the games, only ones I missed were at Finlandia (too far) and yesterday at Kalamazoo (stayed home to watch Trine's WBB home opener).  Lot of posters here are down on the MIAA, but I tell you what, there are a lot of top notch offensive teams, Adrian, Albion, Hope, Olivet, they can all move the ball on anyone.  A lot of Trines games were shootouts that's for sure.  Other than Hope there really aren't a lot of good defensive teams in the league however.  Kalamazoo's D is decent, but Carswell made them look bad yesterday.  School and MIAA record 359 yards rushing. 

Now on to the playoffs.  I hope the D3 committee puts Eureka coming to Trine for a 1st round game.  There would be some offensive fireworks to see Eureka's Reasnover and Trine's Carswell and their teams matched up.  2 of the best running backs in D3 this year, maybe THE 2 best.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2018, 03:18:48 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 11, 2018, 08:59:20 AM
Congrats to Trine on their back-to-back undefeated MIAA championships.  This years team not as dominant as last years overall, but it's tough to win football games every week and this year's team is good at finishing games and found a way to get the W's.  I went to a majority of the games, only ones I missed were at Finlandia (too far) and yesterday at Kalamazoo (stayed home to watch Trine's WBB home opener).  Lot of posters here are down on the MIAA, but I tell you what, there are a lot of top notch offensive teams, Adrian, Albion, Hope, Olivet, they can all move the ball on anyone.  A lot of Trines games were shootouts that's for sure.  Other than Hope there really aren't a lot of good defensive teams in the league however.  Kalamazoo's D is decent, but Carswell made them look bad yesterday.  School and MIAA record 359 yards rushing. 

Now on to the playoffs.  I hope the D3 committee puts Eureka coming to Trine for a 1st round game.  There would be some offensive fireworks to see Eureka's Reasnover and Trine's Carswell and their teams matched up.  2 of the best running backs in D3 this year, maybe THE 2 best.   

TUAngola:

Yes, congratulations to your Trine team, alums and fans for Trine's second consecutive MIAA title and undefeated season. I agree that is a tough accomplishment for any team regardless of the conference they play in. Trine will represent our league well as they always have.

The only asoect I have a slightly difference of opinion with you on is that, while I agree there were some very good offenses in the MIAA this year, compared to the national scene, overall, they would not quite be that good enough to win it all on the national scene (of course, that factor also includes having a great defense as you have already pointed out.) As you have mentioned, many of our MIAA posters here have been down a bit on our league ( that includes myself ::)) and we have discussed this several times on these boards in the past few years. And that is, I am of the opinion that situation will not change until our league teams start playing better non-league opponents, as was done years ago. Obviously, the league administrators have control over that in regards to the contracts between the various conferences for the 4 year periods (CCIW and now the current one) as has been in place the last several years. While no one likes to lose those type of games if our schools were to be playing the likes of nationally ranked teams each year for their non-conference games, I and others believe (the argument has always been) that a) it will make our teams better in the long run and better prepared for the post season against the better teams and b) you still have to win the league title anyway to get there in the first place, so other than seeding in the platoffs, that doesn't matter if you have a couple of losses to higher tier teams. You still have to face them anyway in the playoffs.

Just my opinion, which hasn't changed. Nonetheless, again, we'll be rooting for Trine in the playoffs, and wouldn't it be great if they did somehow make it to the Stage Bowl?!!! It happened for Albion back in 1994-that was a great season and I remember those post season games!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 11, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
SNC fan here. I see we match up in the first round, and I'm curious as to a mini-scouting report about Trine. Just looking at the numbers, lots of offense...On our end, we have arguably one of the better defenses in the country, mainly in the run game, but our D picked off 6 passes yesterday against a high powered Monmouth offense. We also limited Monmouth to only one or two first downs all first half. Conversely, we run a pretty bland triple-option, despite having an All-American wide receiver, though we threw the ball relatively well yesterday. Our kicker is getting NFL looks and is a real X factor in close games. What about Trine?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 11, 2018, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 11, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
SNC fan here. I see we match up in the first round, and I'm curious as to a mini-scouting report about Trine. Just looking at the numbers, lots of offense...On our end, we have arguably one of the better defenses in the country, mainly in the run game, but our D picked off 6 passes yesterday against a high powered Monmouth offense. We also limited Monmouth to only one or two first downs all first half. Conversely, we run a pretty bland triple-option, despite having an All-American wide receiver, though we threw the ball relatively well yesterday. Our kicker is getting NFL looks and is a real X factor in close games. What about Trine?
Hi GreenKnight.  Sounds like your team is perfectly suited to stop our offense as we are a run heavy team.  Lamar Carswell at running back is lighning quick and  one of the leading rushers in the nation, he should be on one of the D3 All American teams at year end, if not it's a huge travesty.  He's set virtually all the Trine rushing and TD records in his career.  He broke the MIAA single game rushing record with 359 yesterday against Kalamazoo.  However, he can be prone to putting the ball on the turf, especially the last couple games he's fumbled 3 times.  We run a no huddle pistol offense, single back, with varying receiver packages anywhere from 4 wideout set to 1 wideout and 3 tight ends.  We rotate QBs, both can run at times, with Brandon Winters it's usually trying to make something out of a broken down pass play, with Andrew Duckett it's usually a designed run.  We have an all conference wideout in Jeffery Barnett, but he doesn't get the ball nearly enough, sorta like your guy at SNC.  Barnett is also a dangerous kickoff return man, I believe he's had 3 returns for TDs this year, and 1 other one that was called back because of a penalty.

On defense we run a 4-3, but can be flexible depending on what the other teams run.  We aren't a very good defense, our run defense has had issues, but we play in a conference with a lot of good running backs.  We don't put a lot of pressure on getting to the QB either unless we rush more than 4.  The strength of our D is our 2 cornerbacks, both who will probably be All Confernece.  Marcus Winters was defensive POY last year in our conference at CB and has the school record for career INTs.  Opposing teams slot recievers have had some big games against us, but wideouts not so much.  Our kickoff and kicking game is solid, Hibbets kicksoff and does long FGs, he broke the school record for longest FG this year at 48 yds, Garza is our XP guy.       



Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 11, 2018, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 11, 2018, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 11, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
SNC fan here. I see we match up in the first round, and I'm curious as to a mini-scouting report about Trine. Just looking at the numbers, lots of offense...On our end, we have arguably one of the better defenses in the country, mainly in the run game, but our D picked off 6 passes yesterday against a high powered Monmouth offense. We also limited Monmouth to only one or two first downs all first half. Conversely, we run a pretty bland triple-option, despite having an All-American wide receiver, though we threw the ball relatively well yesterday. Our kicker is getting NFL looks and is a real X factor in close games. What about Trine?
Hi GreenKnight.  Sounds like your team is perfectly suited to stop our offense as we are a run heavy team.  Lamar Carswell at running back is lighning quick and  one of the leading rushers in the nation, he should be on one of the D3 All American teams at year end, if not it's a huge travesty.  He's set virtually all the Trine rushing and TD records in his career.  He broke the MIAA single game rushing record with 359 yesterday against Kalamazoo.  However, he can be prone to putting the ball on the turf, especially the last couple games he's fumbled 3 times.  We run a no huddle pistol offense, single back, with varying receiver packages anywhere from 4 wideout set to 1 wideout and 3 tight ends.  We rotate QBs, both can run at times, with Brandon Winters it's usually trying to make something out of a broken down pass play, with Andrew Duckett it's usually a designed run.  We have an all conference wideout in Jeffery Barnett, but he doesn't get the ball nearly enough, sorta like your guy at SNC.  Barnett is also a dangerous kickoff return man, I believe he's had 3 returns for TDs this year, and 1 other one that was called back because of a penalty.

On defense we run a 4-3, but can be flexible depending on what the other teams run.  We aren't a very good defense, our run defense has had issues, but we play in a conference with a lot of good running backs.  We don't put a lot of pressure on getting to the QB either unless we rush more than 4.  The strength of our D is our 2 cornerbacks, both who will probably be All Confernece.  Marcus Winters was defensive POY last year in our conference at CB and has the school record for career INTs.  Opposing teams slot recievers have had some big games against us, but wideouts not so much.  Our kickoff and kicking game is solid, Hibbets kicksoff and does long FGs, he broke the school record for longest FG this year at 48 yds, Garza is our XP guy.       

Carswell will be the first real test for our run defense, as our competition has been pretty lowly outside of Monmouth. I don't think this one will be a shootout. If Carswell is running well despite the defense, Trine might run away with this one early, as our offense does not score a lot of points. But if our defense can contain him, its going to be a special teams oriented field position battle game, which we have been very competent at winning. It will also be interesting to see how Rhodes, our QB, is able to throw on what sounds like a formidable secondary, if the game script calls for it. He makes a lot of safe throws right around the line of scrimmage, but is prone to throwing some bad INTs when going downfield. Best of luck to your squad, I'm sure we are in for a good one this Saturday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 12, 2018, 08:15:12 AM
I'm not sure many running backs have been better than Levell Coppage (Wisconsin Whitewater) since 2010 but Carswell just might be better than him.  I don't recall seeing any back make some of the moves Carswell makes including Coppage. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 12, 2018, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 11, 2018, 03:18:48 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 11, 2018, 08:59:20 AM
Congrats to Trine on their back-to-back undefeated MIAA championships.  This years team not as dominant as last years overall, but it's tough to win football games every week and this year's team is good at finishing games and found a way to get the W's.  I went to a majority of the games, only ones I missed were at Finlandia (too far) and yesterday at Kalamazoo (stayed home to watch Trine's WBB home opener).  Lot of posters here are down on the MIAA, but I tell you what, there are a lot of top notch offensive teams, Adrian, Albion, Hope, Olivet, they can all move the ball on anyone.  A lot of Trines games were shootouts that's for sure.  Other than Hope there really aren't a lot of good defensive teams in the league however.  Kalamazoo's D is decent, but Carswell made them look bad yesterday.  School and MIAA record 359 yards rushing. 

Now on to the playoffs.  I hope the D3 committee puts Eureka coming to Trine for a 1st round game.  There would be some offensive fireworks to see Eureka's Reasnover and Trine's Carswell and their teams matched up.  2 of the best running backs in D3 this year, maybe THE 2 best.   

TUAngola:

Yes, congratulations to your Trine team, alums and fans for Trine's second consecutive MIAA title and undefeated season. I agree that is a tough accomplishment for any team regardless of the conference they play in. Trine will represent our league well as they always have.

The only asoect I have a slightly difference of opinion with you on is that, while I agree there were some very good offenses in the MIAA this year, compared to the national scene, overall, they would not quite be that good enough to win it all on the national scene (of course, that factor also includes having a great defense as you have already pointed out.) As you have mentioned, many of our MIAA posters here have been down a bit on our league ( that includes myself ::)) and we have discussed this several times on these boards in the past few years. And that is, I am of the opinion that situation will not change until our league teams start playing better non-league opponents, as was done years ago. Obviously, the league administrators have control over that in regards to the contracts between the various conferences for the 4 year periods (CCIW and now the current one) as has been in place the last several years. While no one likes to lose those type of games if our schools were to be playing the likes of nationally ranked teams each year for their non-conference games, I and others believe (the argument has always been) that a) it will make our teams better in the long run and better prepared for the post season against the better teams and b) you still have to win the league title anyway to get there in the first place, so other than seeding in the platoffs, that doesn't matter if you have a couple of losses to higher tier teams. You still have to face them anyway in the playoffs.

Just my opinion, which hasn't changed. Nonetheless, again, we'll be rooting for Trine in the playoffs, and wouldn't it be great if they did somehow make it to the Stage Bowl?!!! It happened for Albion back in 1994-that was a great season and I remember those post season games!

I agree that the MIAA non conference schedule for the most part is pretty weak.  And the SOS for MIAA schools is even taking a further hit because of the MIAA's decision to add Finlandia as a provisional member in Football only.  Then we are locked in to the NAAC contract, hopefully for not much longer.  That leaves each MIAA school 2 nonconference games to schedule.  Trine will probably never get out of the Manchester game to start the season.  It's the closest thing we have to a traditional rival in Indiana, and the Thursday night games under the lights are fun.  However, I'd much rather have us playing another Indiana school, Franklin or Hanover would be awesome, Wabash or DePauw, but they both only have 1 nonconference game available so that would be hard to get on their schedules.  CCIW schools would be great, but they probably don't want to play MIAA schools much as they too want to have a higher SOS at year end.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 12, 2018, 09:43:20 AM
I'd like to see Trine dump Manchester I don't think any player on Trine past or present would consider them a rival. Also, need to drop Bluffton and add an OAC team and an NCAC team.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2018, 09:39:30 PM
I was totally surprised at Trine today. Disappointing  in another early excit from the playoffs for MIAA teams. While this Trine team was not one of their usual power teams as they have had in recent years, still they were very good and as they had gone 10-0, I expected them to go to at least the second round. Still, that does not take away from the great season they had and congratulations to them.

Yet, once again, it brings me back to what I and others have mentioned in the past-until our MIAA teams start playing better teams in their non-conference games, we can expect these continued reults of early excits from the  playoffs, and that will always be disappointing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 18, 2018, 08:09:49 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2018, 09:39:30 PM
I was totally surprised at Trine today. Disappointing  in another early excit from the playoffs for MIAA teams. While this Trine team was not one of their usual power teams as they have had in recent years, still they were very good and as they had gone 10-0, I expected them to go to at least the second round. Still, that does not take away from the great season they had and congratulations to them.

Yet, once again, it brings me back to what I and others have mentioned in the past-until our MIAA teams start playing better teams in their non-conference games, we can expect these continued reults of early excits from the  playoffs, and that will always be disappointing.
The story of the game was St Norbert's defense.  There is no other team in the MIAA that is remotely close to the way the Green Knights can play defense.  I could tell from the first series it was going to be a long day for our offense.  Everyone knows that Carswell is a tremendous player, but he is the type of back who wants to stretch the field and use his speed to get to the edge, he isn't the classic "north/south" runner.  St Norbert's overall team speed on defense was outstanding, they didn't allow Carswell to break off any long runs.  The other thing they do extremely well is create turnovers.  When St Norbert tackles it appears they don't put you on the ground right away, they stand you up and then wait for help to come in and strip the ball.  They did that to Carswell a couple times and also to Duckett. 

Our QB play was just in a word "putrid" yesterday.  Winters was awful, the OLine didn't protect him much, but then again our offensive play calling leaves little to the imagination.  Our defense played decent.  St Norbert runs the triple option, not many teams like that anymore.  Their QB had some speed.  There was really only one offensive drive for a TD the whole game by St Norbert, that was right after we got on the board first with a pick6, they came down the field and scored.  All their other scores were off turnovers, including a fumble and interception returned for TDs.  I think we had 6 TOs total, no one is going to win with 6 TOs.

A disappointing way to end the season for sure.  The offense put in place the last 2 years was obviously built around using what Carswell does best.  But once teams take that away (Wartburg last year, St Norbert this year), we don't have alternative ways to beat you.  I hope we employ a more diversified offense next year.  We'll have a more "north/south" back taking over the reigns in Stinson.  He is a big back, wish he would have played more yesterday, he had 1 carry, but it was for 10 yards going up the field, so for that he comes back out of the game?  ::)  It will definitely be a rebuilding mode on offense, and the defense loses the entire secondary.  Next year going in as favorites should be Hope, Albion and Olivet with what they have coming back.   

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2018, 09:48:48 AM
Thanks TUA for the recap of the game. It sounds like Trine had a real "off day", which is even more disappointing when that occurs in the playoffs, of all places and which I always have difficulty in understanding why that happens to teams. Nothing against St. Norbert and congratulations to them, yet Idon't think they are the caliber of the upper tier teams in our region. That MIAA teams should be playing in the non-conference portion of our schedules for the potential improvement we have discussed. It will be interesting to see how St. Norbert will do in the 2nd round game.

BTW, why was the attendance so low at Zollner yesterday given the huge crowds you have had all season? That was disappointing to see. The students couldn't have "flown the coup" just yet for Thanksgiving break😀! Was there some kind of of other events going g on in the area that would have kept the general Angola community from choosing to attend the game as they had done so during the regular season. Just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 18, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2018, 09:48:48 AM
Thanks TUA for the recap of the game. It sounds like Trine had a real "off day", which is even more disappointing when that occurs in the playoffs, of all places and which I always have difficulty in understanding why that happens to teams. Nothing against St. Norbert and congratulations to them, yet Idon't think they are the caliber of the upper tier teams in our region. That MIAA teams should be playing in the non-conference portion of our schedules for the potential improvement we have discussed. It will be interesting to see how St. Norbert will do in the 2nd round game.

BTW, why was the attendance so low at Zollner yesterday given the huge crowds you have had all season? That was disappointing to see. The students couldn't have "flown the coup" just yet for Thanksgiving break😀! Was there some kind of of other events going g on in the area that would have kept the general Angola community from choosing to attend the game as they had done so during the regular season. Just curious.
Not sure why there wasn't more people at the game.  I'm sure the cold weather kept some away, but it wasn't brutally cold.  Could be those who had regular season "passes" to games had to pay yesterday, so maybe those "tightwads" stayed home?  Students were on campus, I couldn't tell what the student turnout was like as I was on the opposite end of the home stands.  There were a couple events going on at the same time on campus, a wrestling invitational and a women's hockey game, but both not likely to draw football fans away from the game.  The attendance was similar to last year's home playoff game, but that game's weather was much worse, including a lightning delay.  But, if you look at attendance figures at other playoff games yesterday, there really weren't any big crowds.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 18, 2018, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 18, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 18, 2018, 09:48:48 AM
Thanks TUA for the recap of the game. It sounds like Trine had a real "off day", which is even more disappointing when that occurs in the playoffs, of all places and which I always have difficulty in understanding why that happens to teams. Nothing against St. Norbert and congratulations to them, yet Idon't think they are the caliber of the upper tier teams in our region. That MIAA teams should be playing in the non-conference portion of our schedules for the potential improvement we have discussed. It will be interesting to see how St. Norbert will do in the 2nd round game.

BTW, why was the attendance so low at Zollner yesterday given the huge crowds you have had all season? That was disappointing to see. The students couldn't have "flown the coup" just yet for Thanksgiving break😀! Was there some kind of of other events going g on in the area that would have kept the general Angola community from choosing to attend the game as they had done so during the regular season. Just curious.
Not sure why there wasn't more people at the game.  I'm sure the cold weather kept some away, but it wasn't brutally cold.  Could be those who had regular season "passes" to games had to pay yesterday, so maybe those "tightwads" stayed home?  Students were on campus, I couldn't tell what the student turnout was like as I was on the opposite end of the home stands.  There were a couple events going on at the same time on campus, a wrestling invitational and a women's hockey game, but both not likely to draw football fans away from the game.  The attendance was similar to last year's home playoff game, but that game's weather was much worse, including a lightning delay.  But, if you look at attendance figures at other playoff games yesterday, there really weren't any big crowds.

Again, appreciate your assessment. I know what you mean- it seems that attendance at all the early rounds in the DIII playoffs are low every year, especially the 2nd week my end i.e post Thanksgiving in weekend. Even Mount had lower attendance fir those/that, however, schools couldn't use that excuse this weekend. Unfortunately, it appears to be just that  current trend the past 2 years+ of declining attendance overall in DIII football ( and at many schools in the other divisions including DI) as we have discussed.

It will be interesting to see how attendance at the Stage Biwl might be in 3 years when it moves to Canton, OH. I suspect that if it were to be a Texas school (MHB) and some other southern region school this year, Stagg attendance might be higher than it had been in recent years ( which hasn't really been that bad actually). Although, if it is Mount and one if the other "usual" teams, it mist likely will be about the same as it had been. Just my guess.

Anyway, on to the next round! And...the Mich/Ohio State game-"The Game" as it us known. I would like to see a Mich/Northwestern Big Ten Championship game!☺

BTW, and this is also fir Mr.Ypsi, how about that Easyetn Michigan football team this year? Decent, very decent for Creighton and Co. A good job on his tenure so far I would say.☺
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 20, 2018, 10:06:50 AM
I would attribute the fumbles Carswell had to the fact he had the ball in his right arm while running to his left. No reason Trine shouldn't have won that game vs St Norbert and I predict Whitewater steamrolls them due to their anemic offense. They just don't have any weapons on their offense.  Would have liked to see some early PA and go over the top vs St Norbert didn't seem to have anyone that could cover 18.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 20, 2018, 05:22:58 PM
Quote from: ThunderStorm_3peat on November 20, 2018, 10:06:50 AM
I would attribute the fumbles Carswell had to the fact he had the ball in his right arm while running to his left. No reason Trine shouldn't have won that game vs St Norbert and I predict Whitewater steamrolls them due to their anemic offense. They just don't have any weapons on their offense.  Would have liked to see some early PA and go over the top vs St Norbert didn't seem to have anyone that could cover 18.

I agree we should have thrown the ball more.  But Brandon Winters had zero time in the pocket when he did drop back, our OLine got their butts kicked by SNC's DLine.  SNC's D was so much better than anyone we play on our schedule, maybe Hope was close, but even their defense is not as dominant as SNC.  I don't think SNC wins at Whitewater, and yes SNC wasn't all that impressive on O other than their QB on option runs, but their D will make it interesting.  If we went up to Whitewater, we get smoked as our run D isn't good enough to stop the big boys on the D3 block.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 21, 2018, 10:14:37 PM
To all the MIAA posters, have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving Holiday! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2018, 08:08:09 PM
Brief switch to DII and DI...
A bummer as Ferris State fell short in the DII title game against Valdosta State (GA).. They scored with just 50 seconds left in the game to make it 47-49, however, their trick play 2 point conversion attempt failed. Valdosta wins their 4th national DII title. A great season for Ferris, but...another disappointment. I thought they would finally win it this year, after falling short  2 and 3 years ago.😞

And...currently end of 3rd quarter, Eastern Michigan is only behind by 3 points to Georgia Southern in the Raycom Camellia Bowl, 17-14. It would be a great win for Eastern and Coach C and staff if they can pull it off.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2018, 08:47:31 PM
Another bummer😞(for our teams from our state) After taking the lead in the 4th quarter, Eastern Michigan loses a close one, 23-21 to Georgia Southern.

Edit: for spelling correction☺
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 25, 2018, 08:24:22 AM
Merry Christmas to all the MIAA posters and may you have a Happy and Healthy New Year! :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on July 15, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
MIAA Poster's who may also double as UofM fans, on 9/7 my brother and I are driving from Chicago to go to the Army-Michigan game (sorry to disappoint but we're big Army fans).

Do any of you have any suggestions on places to go or things to do for our first time at the Big House? We are driving up Friday Morning and will be doing Ann Arbor Friday night (but staying in Livonia for cheaper Hotel, lol).

Thanks! Go Army!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on July 15, 2019, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on July 15, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
MIAA Poster's who may also double as UofM fans, on 9/7 my brother and I are driving from Chicago to go to the Army-Michigan game (sorry to disappoint but we're big Army fans).

Do any of you have any suggestions on places to go or things to do for our first time at the Big House? We are driving up Friday Morning and will be doing Ann Arbor Friday night (but staying in Livonia for cheaper Hotel, lol).

Thanks! Go Army!

Streaks70

I don't know anything about Ann Arbor, but at least I'LL  be at the Mount Union at John Carroll game on September 28. Enjoy your game. Go Army.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on July 15, 2019, 03:41:58 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on July 15, 2019, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on July 15, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
MIAA Poster's who may also double as UofM fans, on 9/7 my brother and I are driving from Chicago to go to the Army-Michigan game (sorry to disappoint but we're big Army fans).

Do any of you have any suggestions on places to go or things to do for our first time at the Big House? We are driving up Friday Morning and will be doing Ann Arbor Friday night (but staying in Livonia for cheaper Hotel, lol).

Thanks! Go Army!

Streaks70

I don't know anything about Ann Arbor, but at least I'LL  be at the Mount Union at John Carroll game on September 28. Enjoy your game. Go Army.  ;D

Thanks MUC. Unfortunately I won't be driving out from Chicago for that one. BlueStreaks66 and I are planning the annual route against Wilmington as our Annual JCU Weekend trip.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: The Mole on July 15, 2019, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on July 15, 2019, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on July 15, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
MIAA Poster's who may also double as UofM fans, on 9/7 my brother and I are driving from Chicago to go to the Army-Michigan game (sorry to disappoint but we're big Army fans).

Do any of you have any suggestions on places to go or things to do for our first time at the Big House? We are driving up Friday Morning and will be doing Ann Arbor Friday night (but staying in Livonia for cheaper Hotel, lol).

Thanks! Go Army!
I was in Ann Arbor a few weeks ago. Definite;y hit Zingerman's Roadhouse for lunch or dinner and Cafe Zola for brunch. You will not be disappointed
Streaks70

I don't know anything about Ann Arbor, but at least I'LL  be at the Mount Union at John Carroll game on September 28. Enjoy your game. Go Army.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on July 15, 2019, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: The Mole on July 15, 2019, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on July 15, 2019, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on July 15, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
MIAA Poster's who may also double as UofM fans, on 9/7 my brother and I are driving from Chicago to go to the Army-Michigan game (sorry to disappoint but we're big Army fans).

Do any of you have any suggestions on places to go or things to do for our first time at the Big House? We are driving up Friday Morning and will be doing Ann Arbor Friday night (but staying in Livonia for cheaper Hotel, lol).

Thanks! Go Army!
I was in Ann Arbor a few weeks ago. Definite;y hit Zingerman's Roadhouse for lunch or dinner and Cafe Zola for brunch. You will not be disappointed
Streaks70

I don't know anything about Ann Arbor, but at least I'LL  be at the Mount Union at John Carroll game on September 28. Enjoy your game. Go Army.  ;D

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 31, 2019, 02:04:09 PM
JCUStreaks:

Sorry for the delay in this reply. A couple of good places you might go to are The Little Brown Jug and Good Time Charlie's (the latter one may have changed names). Both are right down by the Quad on Central portion of the campus and a road from the U of M bookstore. Both are good sports bar/restaurants.Also, if you like Much "stuff" a visit to the M Den us a must (they also have a store right at Much Stadium), although I see you are an Army fan!😁 I might try to go to that game if I don't end up going to Hope's "away"game the night before. Anyway, have a great time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on July 31, 2019, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 31, 2019, 02:04:09 PM
JCUStreaks:

Sorry for the delay in this reply. A couple of good places you might go to are The Little Brown Jug and Good Time Charlie's (the latter one may have changed names). Both are right down by the Quad on Central portion of the campus and a road from the U of M bookstore. Both are good sports bar/restaurants.Also, if you like Much "stuff" a visit to the M Den us a must (they also have a store right at Much Stadium), although I see you are an Army fan!😁 I might try to go to that game if I don't end up going to Hope's "away"game the night before. Anyway, have a great time.

I am not a Michigan fan, so that stop may not happen! lol Those are two bars that I had heard about through other UM fans, and I have plans to visit and hydrate each place!

We're planning on getting to the Golf Course nice and early to ensure we can tailgate there on Saturday.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 12, 2019, 08:03:37 AM
MIAA getting a little love in the pre-season poll, with both Trine and Hope getting some votes (essentially Trine is #26, Hope tied for #39).  Hadn't really checked out this board recently, but expected some chatter at least about that - but alas, crickets....

So how is everyone feeling about the upcoming season?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on August 12, 2019, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 12, 2019, 08:03:37 AM
MIAA getting a little love in the pre-season poll, with both Trine and Hope getting some votes (essentially Trine is #26, Hope tied for #39).  Hadn't really checked out this board recently, but expected some chatter at least about that - but alas, crickets....

So how is everyone feeling about the upcoming season?

Starting the season @ Millikin on a Friday night is strange. I don't love the Friday night aspect. But once again, the real scheduling "bummer" is that Hope @ Trine is the first league game this season. I say bummer, because I expect the winner of that game to most likely run the table through the rest of the MIAA. I wonder how much better attendance would be throughout the season if those teams played in mid-November rather than early October.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 12, 2019, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on August 12, 2019, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 12, 2019, 08:03:37 AM
MIAA getting a little love in the pre-season poll, with both Trine and Hope getting some votes (essentially Trine is #26, Hope tied for #39).  Hadn't really checked out this board recently, but expected some chatter at least about that - but alas, crickets....

So how is everyone feeling about the upcoming season?

Starting the season @ Millikin on a Friday night is strange. I don't love the Friday night aspect. But once again, the real scheduling "bummer" is that Hope @ Trine is the first league game this season. I say bummer, because I expect the winner of that game to most likely run the table through the rest of the MIAA. I wonder how much better attendance would be throughout the season if those teams played in mid-November rather than early October.

I agree on the scheduling being unfortunate regarding the Hope v Trine matchup. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on August 13, 2019, 07:50:21 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 12, 2019, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on August 12, 2019, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 12, 2019, 08:03:37 AM
MIAA getting a little love in the pre-season poll, with both Trine and Hope getting some votes (essentially Trine is #26, Hope tied for #39).  Hadn't really checked out this board recently, but expected some chatter at least about that - but alas, crickets....

So how is everyone feeling about the upcoming season?

Starting the season @ Millikin on a Friday night is strange. I don't love the Friday night aspect. But once again, the real scheduling "bummer" is that Hope @ Trine is the first league game this season. I say bummer, because I expect the winner of that game to most likely run the table through the rest of the MIAA. I wonder how much better attendance would be throughout the season if those teams played in mid-November rather than early October.

I agree on the scheduling being unfortunate regarding the Hope v Trine matchup.

I just remember after last year's 2-2 start, my thoughts were...

1. I expected Hope to run the table the rest of the way.
2. It wouldn't matter, because Trine wasn't going to lose. (I realize Olivet almost beat them, but even then, Trine had the tie-breaker over Hope)

It's disheartening knowing one game into league play in a season where expectations are MIAA Championship, that those expectations won't be realized. The loser of Hope @ Trine will need the other to lose twice or force a three team tie to get back in the hunt.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 15, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 12, 2019, 08:03:37 AM
MIAA getting a little love in the pre-season poll, with both Trine and Hope getting some votes (essentially Trine is #26, Hope tied for #39).  Hadn't really checked out this board recently, but expected some chatter at least about that - but alas, crickets....

So how is everyone feeling about the upcoming season?
I wouldn't read too much into Trine's preseason ranking.  However I am excited to see how our team develops over the course of the year as we have a lot of holes to fill.  Think about it...no Lamar Carswell at RB, no Jeffery Barnett at WR, no Marcus Winters at CB...that's 3 All Americans right there and all were 4 year starters.  I would guess out of the 22 starters, around 12 were seniors last year.  The entire secondary is gone, we lost a couple on Dline, one on Oline, our TE, our QB (who rotated with another QB), and our Punter.  We did have a lot of 2s and 3s get experience last year though, and I heard our incoming Frosh class has a lot of talent, but making the jump from high school to college is hard, even at the D3 level.

I would put Hope and Albion at the top, with Trine, Olivet and Adrian not far behind.  Alma should be tough too.  Should be a wide open and fun season and can't wait for September to get here.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 16, 2019, 12:06:10 PM
Thanks TU - I knew Trine was losing those all-Americans, but over 50% of the starters is tough indeed.  I'm sure they will still be a good team and a tough test for anyone who plays them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 19, 2019, 05:41:54 PM
MIAA pre-season Football Coaches Poll out today:

1) Hope 11 pts (3 first place votes)
2) Albion 14 pts (2 first place votes)
2) Trine 14 pts (2 first place votes)
4) Adrian 30 pts
4) Olivet 30 pts
6) Kalamazoo 36 pts
7) Alma 40 pts
8) Finlandia 49 pts

Really no surprises.  I had surmised it would be Hope and Albion, kinda surprised Trine tied for 2nd in the poll.  Thought there might be a bigger gap from the first 2 teams since we have so many holes to fill from graduation.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 03, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
2019 Trine football roster finally posted on the athletics website yesterday.  Was looking to see who we have as potential guys to fill RB Lamar Carswell's shoes.  I thought it would be 1 of 3 guys who backed up Carswell last year, Stinson, Edwards or Echoles-Jones, but none of the 3 are listed on this year's roster.  Yikes!  We have zero rushing yards returning on our roster....zero.  There are a couple of soph transfers listed, and a good all-state frosh from right down the road, but man it's kinda scary, you'd like to have SOME experience.  Another guy not listed is LB Cavanaugh, that is a big loss, I thought going in LB to be the strength of the team defensively with LB Washington returning for his senior season.  We should have a few guys with game experience there as replacement but not sure why Cavanaugh is not playing.

I plan on heading down to North Manchester Thursday evening to watch the opener against the Manchester Spartans.  They are picked to finish 5th in the HCAC this year.  I am expecting a closer game than in years past due to our inexperience at RB, WR, and defensive secondary.   

Hope the chatter picks up from other MIAA football fans.  There is year round postings in the basketball boards, but nothing but crickets here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 03, 2019, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 03, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
2019 Trine football roster finally posted on the athletics website yesterday.  Was looking to see who we have as potential guys to fill RB Lamar Carswell's shoes.  I thought it would be 1 of 3 guys who backed up Carswell last year, Stinson, Edwards or Echoles-Jones, but none of the 3 are listed on this year's roster.  Yikes!  We have zero rushing yards returning on our roster....zero.  There are a couple of soph transfers listed, and a good all-state frosh from right down the road, but man it's kinda scary, you'd like to have SOME experience.  Another guy not listed is LB Cavanaugh, that is a big loss, I thought going in LB to be the strength of the team defensively with LB Washington returning for his senior season.  We should have a few guys with game experience there as replacement but not sure why Cavanaugh is not playing.

I plan on heading down to North Manchester Thursday evening to watch the opener against the Manchester Spartans.  They are picked to finish 5th in the HCAC this year.  I am expecting a closer game than in years past due to our inexperience at RB, WR, and defensive secondary.   

Hope the chatter picks up from other MIAA football fans.  There is year round postings in the basketball boards, but nothing but crickets here.

Thanks TU for the update from your end.  What happened to those 3 RB guys?  See if you can find out.

Also, with regard to the "cricket activity" on this board, it has been like that for several years now, slight decline each year.  Many of us have attempted to encourage more activity, but, alas, no success.  Relative to the other boards, we are near or at the bottom of the list. I guess that is "just the way it is."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 04, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 03, 2019, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 03, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
2019 Trine football roster finally posted on the athletics website yesterday.  Was looking to see who we have as potential guys to fill RB Lamar Carswell's shoes.  I thought it would be 1 of 3 guys who backed up Carswell last year, Stinson, Edwards or Echoles-Jones, but none of the 3 are listed on this year's roster.  Yikes!  We have zero rushing yards returning on our roster....zero.  There are a couple of soph transfers listed, and a good all-state frosh from right down the road, but man it's kinda scary, you'd like to have SOME experience.  Another guy not listed is LB Cavanaugh, that is a big loss, I thought going in LB to be the strength of the team defensively with LB Washington returning for his senior season.  We should have a few guys with game experience there as replacement but not sure why Cavanaugh is not playing.

I plan on heading down to North Manchester Thursday evening to watch the opener against the Manchester Spartans.  They are picked to finish 5th in the HCAC this year.  I am expecting a closer game than in years past due to our inexperience at RB, WR, and defensive secondary.   

Hope the chatter picks up from other MIAA football fans.  There is year round postings in the basketball boards, but nothing but crickets here.

Thanks TU for the update from your end.  What happened to those 3 RB guys?  See if you can find out.

Also, with regard to the "cricket activity" on this board, it has been like that for several years now, slight decline each year.  Many of us have attempted to encourage more activity, but, alas, no success.  Relative to the other boards, we are near or at the bottom of the list. I guess that is "just the way it is."

I think it's probably a little "fair weather fan" related too. Even when your team is good comparative to the rest of the MIAA teams, the gap between the best MIAA team and the better teams in the North is very very wide. More often than not, the MIAA's best basketball team has a very legitimate shot at making a playoff run. More often than not, the MIAA's best football team will be blown out the first week of the playoffs.

I'm encouraged by the improvement I've seen across the board over the last few seasons. I'm hoping if the trend continues, input on these boards will increase as well!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 04, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
Re: lack of activity here.  I follow MIAA football because Hope, Kzoo, and Olivet are all within an hour (give or take) of where I live in Grand Rapids and because I love D3 football.  I don't say  as much as others  because I "don't have a dog in the hunt."  I live too far away from the old IIAC / new ARC to watch the teams I feel closer to emotionally ... especially the University of Dubuque Spartans ... but I do follow them on a daily basis.  That said, I look forward to the coming  MIAA season  and expect to see some great games.  Go D3!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on September 05, 2019, 06:27:13 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on September 04, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 03, 2019, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 03, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
2019 Trine football roster finally posted on the athletics website yesterday.  Was looking to see who we have as potential guys to fill RB Lamar Carswell's shoes.  I thought it would be 1 of 3 guys who backed up Carswell last year, Stinson, Edwards or Echoles-Jones, but none of the 3 are listed on this year's roster.  Yikes!  We have zero rushing yards returning on our roster....zero.  There are a couple of soph transfers listed, and a good all-state frosh from right down the road, but man it's kinda scary, you'd like to have SOME experience.  Another guy not listed is LB Cavanaugh, that is a big loss, I thought going in LB to be the strength of the team defensively with LB Washington returning for his senior season.  We should have a few guys with game experience there as replacement but not sure why Cavanaugh is not playing.

I plan on heading down to North Manchester Thursday evening to watch the opener against the Manchester Spartans.  They are picked to finish 5th in the HCAC this year.  I am expecting a closer game than in years past due to our inexperience at RB, WR, and defensive secondary.   

Hope the chatter picks up from other MIAA football fans.  There is year round postings in the basketball boards, but nothing but crickets here.

Thanks TU for the update from your end.  What happened to those 3 RB guys?  See if you can find out.

Also, with regard to the "cricket activity" on this board, it has been like that for several years now, slight decline each year.  Many of us have attempted to encourage more activity, but, alas, no success.  Relative to the other boards, we are near or at the bottom of the list. I guess that is "just the way it is."

I think it's probably a little "fair weather fan" related too. Even when your team is good comparative to the rest of the MIAA teams, the gap between the best MIAA team and the better teams in the North is very very wide. More often than not, the MIAA's best basketball team has a very legitimate shot at making a playoff run. More often than not, the MIAA's best football team will be blown out the first week of the playoffs.

I'm encouraged by the improvement I've seen across the board over the last few seasons. I'm hoping if the trend continues, input on these boards will increase as well!

I think this is a bit of fair weather fan syndrome but not how you describe. Michigan in the fall is crazy. On Tuesday in a week it can be 65 sunny and beautiful, on Saturday it can be 45 and drizzling. I've made roughly 60% of Olivet's home games in basketball over the last two years. I've made like 2-3 home football games over the last 10 years (not including the 2-3 times I've had to work in Pyne Pavilion on home games). The last time I went to one it was a great week, Olivet and Albion met undefeated and the weather was horrid. We left at halftime (I was even with Albion alums who wanted to leave).

Also the Calvin fans don't have much to say on here and the Hope fans don't respond (90% of the activity in the MBB thread).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 01:09:33 AM
jameswys:

With all due respect, I don't think he was taking about fair weather fans with regard to the actual weather!😁 Also, Calvin fans don't participate on this board because Calvin doesn't field a football team-as you well know, they all post over on the BB board. In all seriousness, I'm glad you are one of the Olivet fans who posts here-wish we had more. The other two or so that we had a few years ago don't participate anymore, unfortunately, reasons unknown.

HOPEful: There are several reasons why the MIAA football level has decreased from what it was several years ago which contributes to why it's teams haven't gone far in the playoffs, since Albion's national championship back in 1994. Many of us have discussed those here on several occasions in the long-term past, so I won't reiterate those here (although if you would like to discuss this sometime in the future, you are welcome to PM me.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 06, 2019, 09:50:35 AM

formerd3db

Good luck to your Flying Dutchmen on the season. I'll keep one eye on them. Go Hope!  8-)  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on September 06, 2019, 09:50:35 AM

formerd3db

Good luck to your Flying Dutchmen on the season. I'll keep one eye on them. Go Hope!  8-)  ;D

Thank you, friend! We'll see what happens tonight.

Good luck to your Mount U ion also, although they won't need it!🙂
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: USee on September 06, 2019, 06:03:28 PM
I'll be surprised if Hope has much trouble with Millikin tonight, even on the road.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 06, 2019, 06:13:30 PM
My observations from Trine's season opening 38-21 victory over Manchester last night:

1)  Who is running the ball now that Lamar Carswell has graduated?  Would you believe converted Junior TE Dylan Dowling?  How many guys go from TE to RB in college ball, probably not many.  With the dearth of RBs on the roster it was a way for Dylan to get on the field as he was pretty much buried on the TE depth chart.  He's a night and day different runner than Lamar who stretched the field trying to find an opening to bolt thru, Dylan is all north and south.  Not overly impressive last night, but has good size at 6'2, 205.  The guy that flashed the most when he got in was backup RB Xaine Kirby, a freshman from small town Indiana.  He had nice catch out of the backfield for a TD in which he made 2 different Manchester defenders whiff in the open field.  He has a chance to be a good one, you can tell he has good instincts on where the running lanes are when he gets the ball, and is a pretty shifty runner too.

2)  QB Brandon Winters had some nice throws last night, if the line gives him some time he can be a good weapon, and we may be a little more diverse offensively than just hand Lamar the ball the last 4 years.  He gets a little too antsy if his first read isn't open though.  Rather than go thru his progressions he usually tucks and runs.  I listened to Coach Abbs podcast earlier in the week and he said the QB job was wide open between 4 guys, but decided to gave the opening game start to Winters who has the most experience of the 4.

3)  Solid line play from both offense and defense.  Being more physical upfront than Manchester is probably what won us the ballgame.

4)  PK Ryan "the leg" Hibbets set a new Trine record with a 52 yd FG last night.  He is such a weapon on KO's and long FG's.

5)  Negatives.  Way too many penalties.  For as good as the Oline and TEs played they probably had 4 or 5 holding penalties.  Manchester only had 1 penalty all night.  First game, so hopefully we can clean up the mistakes.  We also had 3 fumbles and lost 2.  Both fumbles eventually led to scores for Manchester.  Both Kirby and another backup RB Darrell Banks both lost fumbles in the 4th qtr.  Gotta take better care of the football.

6)  My first time to Manchester U even though it's only a hour fifteen minute drive from Angola.  One of the few programs that still plays on a grass field.  They had the grass cut high that's for sure.  The stadium itself is in dyer need of an update.  The visiting stands were scary old.  Most everyone commented on how they could see the boards beneath your feet bounce up and down when you walked.  Wouldn't be surprised if someone fell thru, wooden structure has a lot of rotting boards.  No handrails made for some tricky climbing of the stands for the elderly.  They seriously need to put some money into that place.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on September 06, 2019, 07:35:01 PM
@formerd3db

I knew he wasn't talking about fair weather fans in the weather sense, I was just pointing out that because of the fall weather in Michigan some of us are fair weather fans. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough to indicate that I knew what he meant. The other reason I don't go to more OC Football games is that Notre Dame is often playing in similar time slots, though recent success is resulting in more night games. Watching games online for d3 is nice but not yet the same production quality as d3 basketball.

And even though I was making a slight dig on Calvin about the lack of a football team, I do honestly believe that the lack of a Calvin/Hope rivalry does cause a decrease in traffic on this board. Trine hasn't really established a solid rivalry yet and Olivet/Albion is a one sided rivalry in several ways (Albion doesn't consider us a rival and we don't beat them a lot in football, as we were 0-29 over a span of time).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 08:10:58 PM
Quote from: Jameswys on September 06, 2019, 07:35:01 PM
@formerd3db

I knew he wasn't talking about fair weather fans in the weather sense, I was just pointing out that because of the fall weather in Michigan some of us are fair weather fans. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough to indicate that I knew what he meant. The other reason I don't go to more OC Football games is that Notre Dame is often playing in similar time slots, though recent success is resulting in more night games. Watching games online for d3 is nice but not yet the same production quality as d3 basketball.

And even though I was making a slight dig on Calvin about the lack of a football team, I do honestly believe that the lack of a Calvin/Hope rivalry does cause a decrease in traffic on this board. Trine hasn't really established a solid rivalry yet and Olivet/Albion is a one sided rivalry in several ways (Albion doesn't consider us a rival and we don't beat them a lot in football, as we were 0-29 over a span of time).

I kind of figured you meant it that way, however, I just had to mention/inquire about it! (you know, just to stir things up a bit more!). ;D  And, you do make a good point about the weather.  Last year was horrendous after the first game or two as the essentially six weeks of rain was the worst I can remember in a very long time.  It is no fun standing on the sidelines or sitting in the stands with that kind of "stuff" in one's face regardless of how warm and type of clothing one chooses for the day.  :(

In addition to the above, you also allude to a good point as to partial reasons for declined attendance at MIAA games (not including here the  two huge crowds Olivet has had at a couple of games the past couple of years).  There are additional other reasons with regard to attendance decline IMO, although that i.e. college football attendance decline somewhat in general, appears to be across all the divisions the last year or so (with the exception of the FBS super powers, of course), which is sad.  Although, I am not meaning the latter with regard to your going to an ND game, as any of us enjoy going to another level game (FBS, FCS or DII) from time to time if/when we get the chance! 

I agree with you that the lack of football at Calvin certainly decreases their contribution to the chatter on this football board, but as you well know, it certainly gets interesting (including for most of the year) over on the MIAA basketball board! As to the rivalries, I agree with you, although I will say that, in reality, Albion should really consider your school as a rival because, after all, Albion and Olivet started the first of those (i.e. between eventual MIAA) schools back in 1884.  To be honest, as a historian of MIAA football, I personally consider Olivet's first team to be that 1884 team, not the 1891 team that Olivet considers as the start because it was, indeed, a team that was authorized by the College to play the two formally planned games and...Albion played University of Michigan that same year in the very first intercollegiate football game ever played in the State of Michigan. :)

As to Trine, I believe, as I'm sure you and others do as well, that in due time, they will establish some rivalries.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how our league race goes this year.  Good luck to your Olivet, except against us, of course! :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 08:22:30 PM
TUAngola:

Thanks for the informative summary of your Trine's game against Manchester.  How did you rate/evaluate Manchester overall?  Their HC used to be at Alma before returning to Manchester.

With regard to their stadium, including the grass, you might recall the discussion a few weeks ago over on one of the other boards.  We were informed that Manchester has already planned a new up-to-date stadium for next year including artificial turf that is to be built right next to the old existing stadium, thereby preserving the scenic setting that at least the current one has.

 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 08:31:04 PM
A close one so far, in the early 3rd quarter, Pat's scoreboard team shows Hope up by one at Millikin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2019, 08:47:20 PM
Millikin received the kick to start the second half, and drives all the way for a TD.  W/ 11 to go in the 3rd, Millikin 20, Hope 14.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 08:56:54 PM
Oops! That is not good, Mr. Ypsi (for us!) :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2019, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 08:56:54 PM
Oops! That is not good, Mr. Ypsi (for us!) :)

Don't panic, doc!  Hope goes 92 yards in less than 3 minutes to retake the lead, 21 - 20. ;)

This one is looking like the last team with the ball wins! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 06, 2019, 09:20:25 PM
Millikin immediately re-took the lead, 27-21.  Then the defenses woke up.  Early in the 4th, Millikin had 1st and goal at the two, and Hope stuffed 'em 4 straight times!  The Dutch take over on their own one-yard line.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 10:32:09 PM
Wow! Another close game with them like last year, but obviously disappointing for us Hope fans. Thanks for keeping me updated, Mr. Ypsi. I was unable to accompany the team to this one due to another personal commitment. But I will be on the sidelines at next Saturday's home opener. Hopefully, we'll rebound which I think most likely we will since we play Defiance, a team that has struggled of recent.  Anyway, hope you are doing well, Chuck and thanks again.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2019, 09:28:30 PM
Uh, oh!   This is not good! Not a great start for the MIAA.  Adrian gets pasted by Heidelberg and Alma the same by Baldwin-Wallace.  Olivet is barely winning over Wilmington.  Finlandia gave a decent showing against Concordia-WI as far as the score-at least they didn't get smashed 70-0 like the have in the past.  Kalamazoo has a 3-0 win over Oberlin.  Albion wins big and Trine had their nice win the other night as already discussed previously on this board, and Hope loses a tough, close one (AGAIN) to Millikin.

This is disappointing and as many have said several times, our teams simply have to do better in their non-conference games if they expect to go further than a first round playoff game if they get that far.  Of course, the first important task is to win the conference title. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on September 07, 2019, 10:14:58 PM
I did catch parts of the Olivet game, Olivet started a freshman at Quarterback. They had 2 turnovers in the first half and even though I didn't catch it the announcers alluded to penalties hurting early Olivet drives. The offense look a lot better in the second half. Olivet's defense had some good stops on a short field. Overall not the performance I wanted to see, but for a team with less than a week of camp (Olivet started school so early that they weren't on campus for a week before players were back in classes) I was pleased.
 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 07, 2019, 10:27:42 PM
Thanks for the Olivet summary, Jameswys!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 08, 2019, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 08:22:30 PM
TUAngola:

Thanks for the informative summary of your Trine's game against Manchester.  How did you rate/evaluate Manchester overall?  Their HC used to be at Alma before returning to Manchester.

With regard to their stadium, including the grass, you might recall the discussion a few weeks ago over on one of the other boards.  We were informed that Manchester has already planned a new up-to-date stadium for next year including artificial turf that is to be built right next to the old existing stadium, thereby preserving the scenic setting that at least the current one has.



I think Manchester will struggle to win games this year in the HCAC other than against the bottom few teams.  They are young in the trenches.  They do have a seasoned running back who is pretty good, but we held him down for the most part because he couldn't find any holes to run thru.  Their QB is very athletic, not a naturally gifted thrower but can chuck it deep.  He is more dangerous as a runner.  When he's in the open field he is pretty elusive.

Getting a new stadium built will help the recruiting as their facility now is not very good.  Kids want to play where the facilities are updated with new turf.  Their campus is nice however, lots of greenery.  I didn't see any construction going on so not sure where the new field is being put in.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2019, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 08, 2019, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 06, 2019, 08:22:30 PM
TUAngola:

Thanks for the informative summary of your Trine's game against Manchester.  How did you rate/evaluate Manchester overall?  Their HC used to be at Alma before returning to Manchester.

With regard to their stadium, including the grass, you might recall the discussion a few weeks ago over on one of the other boards.  We were informed that Manchester has already planned a new up-to-date stadium for next year including artificial turf that is to be built right next to the old existing stadium, thereby preserving the scenic setting that at least the current one has.



I think Manchester will struggle to win games this year in the HCAC other than against the bottom few teams.  They are young in the trenches.  They do have a seasoned running back who is pretty good, but we held him down for the most part because he couldn't find any holes to run thru.  Their QB is very athletic, not a naturally gifted thrower but can chuck it deep.  He is more dangerous as a runner.  When he's in the open field he is pretty elusive.

Getting a new stadium built will help the recruiting as their facility now is not very good.  Kids want to play where the facilities are updated with new turf.  Their campus is nice however, lots of greenery.  I didn't see any construction going on so not sure where the new field is being put in.

In the course of this same discussion over on the HCAC board, back on August 14th we were told by Spartan27 who posted that Manchester has scheduled a groundbreaking ceremony for their new stadium and track for their upcoming Homecoming weekend  (football field will have the new synthetic turf ). The new stadium is to be just slightly south of the current stadium, still along the beautiful setting it current has.

It would be nice to see the architectural schematic drawings of this new complex, so hopefully Manchester might put that up on their athletic website in the near future, similar to what every other school had done when they were upgrading to new football and/or other athletic facilities.

I agree that Manchester simply needs to do this new complex to keep up with e everyone else as you and others have said.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan27 on September 08, 2019, 04:39:51 PM
Here you go, on the Manchester facility, with groundbreaking in a couple weeks:
https://www.manchester.edu/alumni/giving-to-mu/where-can-i-give/capital-initiative-athletic-stadium
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2019, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: Spartan27 on September 08, 2019, 04:39:51 PM
Here you go, on the Manchester facility, with groundbreaking in a couple weeks:
https://www.manchester.edu/alumni/giving-to-mu/where-can-i-give/capital-initiative-athletic-stadium

Thank you Spartan27!  +k!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 08, 2019, 10:43:44 PM
Okay, friends.  Just for the fun of it and since it is Sunday evening, here is the cost (potential total cost if a student-athlete partakes of all the amenities) of playing football at an MIAA school (exceptions are Calvin and St. Mary's, of course.)

The following listed costs for the MIAA schools for the 2019-2020 academic year:
(*all figures are directly off each schools official website in the financial section.  These figures include total one year cost of Tuition, Room and Board, Fee i.e. Activity fee for athletics and other student activities, Meal Plan, Books.  Also, I realize that not every undergraduate student will choose to do R&B, Meal plans, etc., however, if a student-athlete chooses to do so and also did not have any financial aid at all-which can happen for some-the total cost would be as listed.)

Kalamazoo: $60,546

Albion: $60,470

Alma: $52,782  (Tuition this year is $41,138, an increase from $37,310 back in 2016-2017; in that regard, most of the MIAA
                                  schools have increased in that category by anywhere from $4,000-$6,000 since then)

Adrian: $49,529

Trine: $49,010

Hope: $45,410

Olivet: $38,792  (100% of the students receive some type of financial aid according to Olivet's website)

Finlandia: $32,196


Hope and Trine moved down a couple of slots as compared to previous years.  Nonetheless, as we can see, it is not inexpensive for a college education at a 4 year private school even if a student receives financial aid as one of the other posters shared with us.  Ouch! Believe me, I know as our two daughters went to and graduated from Hope and even then, costs were a "pocket-drainer!." :) 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 10, 2019, 04:56:59 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 08, 2019, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: Spartan27 on September 08, 2019, 04:39:51 PM
Here you go, on the Manchester facility, with groundbreaking in a couple weeks:
https://www.manchester.edu/alumni/giving-to-mu/where-can-i-give/capital-initiative-athletic-stadium

Thank you Spartan27!  +k!

Yes, thank you for the update Spartan27.  Nice production video.  Stadium looks super! +k
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 10, 2019, 06:49:59 PM
Well, I (and some of you) have been talking about slight decline in overall attendance in college football, especially DIII, several times in the past few weeks, but that also Trine had led the attendance in our league this past season (and when they had their "run" of the titles in recent years as well; also that Olivet has had a couple of huge crowds in the past couple of years.) Some of us had a discussion over on the WIAC borad about the huge attendance for WW (10,000+) which was great!  Albion had 4632 for their game, and that was against Defiance.  Small enrollment Eureka (who plays Albion soon this year) had 4443 at their home game!

So, I am hoping for (no pun intended) but won't be expecting it, that Hope will have about that for the annual Community Day game for the first home game of the season this Saturday against Defiance.  Anything less than 3,000 (and, IMO, it should be more) I will be disappointed.  ::) ;)   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on September 12, 2019, 09:40:25 PM
I only watched about the first quarter and a half of the Adrian game and it was mostly barf as the score indicated. The announcers mentioned that we are starting all freshmen and sophomores on the O-line, which could be great for the future but rough now. The loss of Stewart and McGaw is tough to fill. Not sure how much to read into that game as Heidelberg has had some recent success in the OAC. Anyway on to Hanover, go Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 14, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
5 games today are MIAA vs HCAC:  Adrian at Hanover, Trine at Bluffton, Defiance at Hope, Albion at Franklin and Alma at Manchester.  Any predictions on the outcomes?  I am predicting 3 MIAA wins, possibly 4.  MIAA on the road in 4 of the matchups.  Most intriguing is the Albion/Franklin game.  Both picked for 2nd in their respective leagues.  Should be an offensive explosion as both teams like to sling it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 14, 2019, 08:34:41 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 14, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
5 games today are MIAA vs HCAC:  Adrian at Hanover, Trine at Bluffton, Defiance at Hope, Albion at Franklin and Alma at Manchester.  Any predictions on the outcomes?  I am predicting 3 MIAA wins, possibly 4.  MIAA on the road in 4 of the matchups.  Most intriguing is the Albion/Franklin game.  Both picked for 2nd in their respective leagues.  Should be an offensive explosion as both teams like to sling it.
Hanover should beat Adrian
Trine wins comfortably but Bluffton keeps it respectable, about like Trine-Manchester
Hope has the backups in early as they cruise over Defiance
Manchester-Alma should be tight, I'll go with Manchester to pull it out
Albion-Franklin... a real head vs heart choice. I'll go with Albion to win it in the last couple minutes..

I have it 3-2 to the north.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2019, 09:16:48 AM
waxx: Thank you for the summary of the Adrian game.

TU and FCGrizz:  Getting ready to head to Smith Stadium at Hope for the big annual Community Day for Holland and the College, huge picnic lunch for the community and fans before he game.  Should be perfect weather for football today, sunny, temps predicted about 69-70 degrees.

Regarding the MIAA-HCAC games today, I'll go with Hanover over Adrian, especially since it is a home game for Hanover.  Agree with you that Trine will most likely comfortably beat Bluffton as well as my Hope rebounding for a probably big win over Defiance.  Since the game is at Manchester and based on the opening season games for them and Alma last week, I'll go with Manchester also and since it is a home game for them.  The game is at Franklin and it probably will be close as you mention-a tough choice/toss up, but I think Albion comes out on top (if it were the last couple of years or so, I would have said Franklin without question, obviously.) 

In the other two games involving MIAA teams, I'll go with Kalamazoo over Greenville and Olivet over Concordia-Chicago (although the latter game could be close and Concordia possibly winning since it is a home game for them.  Hard to judge that one as Concordia beat Beloit and Olivet beat Wilmington last week, both losing teams not very good.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 14, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 14, 2019, 09:16:48 AM
waxx: Thank you for the summary of the Adrian game.

TU and FCGrizz:  Getting ready to head to Smith Stadium at Hope for the big annual Community Day for Holland and the College, huge picnic lunch for the community and fans before he game.  Should be perfect weather for football today, sunny, temps predicted about 69-70 degrees.

Regarding the MIAA-HCAC games today, I'll go with Hanover over Adrian, especially since it is a home game for Hanover.  Agree with you that Trine will most likely comfortably beat Bluffton as well as my Hope rebounding for a probably big win over Defiance.  Since the game is at Manchester and based on the opening season games for them and Alma last week, I'll go with Manchester also and since it is a home game for them.  The game is at Franklin and it probably will be close as you mention-a tough choice/toss up, but I think Albion comes out on top (if it were the last couple of years or so, I would have said Franklin without question, obviously.) 

In the other two games involving MIAA teams, I'll go with Kalamazoo over Greenville and Olivet over Concordia-Chicago (although the latter game could be close and Concordia possibly winning since it is a home game for them.  Hard to judge that one as Concordia beat Beloit and Olivet beat Wilmington last week, both losing teams not very good.)

You forgot Finlandia-Ripon! While they aren't on my football watching list today (Big HS 8-man game up here in the UP today), I don't think Ripon shouldn't have many issues up in Hancock.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 14, 2019, 07:31:38 PM
Made the trip on this gorgeous late summer Saturday to Bluffton Ohio to watch the Thunder win 35-20 over Bluffton University.  Still not sure how well we'll do in the MIAA yet.  This team is definitely a work in progress, I don't think we're as good as Hope or Albion this year.  For as much as Coach Abbs says we will be much more diverse this year without Lamar Carswell, we only threw it 9 times today.  And 2 of them should have been picked off.  Maybe that is why we stuck with the run as much as we did.  Winters is so unpredictable throwing the ball.  He looked much better last week against Manchester.  Our best runner is turning out to be freshman Xaine Kirby.  Again he was pretty impressive when he gets in the game, but he is stuck as the second or third option at running back.  In my opinion he should be a starter based on what I've seen of the running backs the first 2 games. 

Defensively it was all hit or miss for the Thunder today.  We got lots of pressure on the Bluffton QBs, had quite a few sacks, but also gave up a ton of big plays on 3rd and long and even a 4th and 25.  We're pretty good on 1st and 2nd downs, but not very good on 3rd down.  Damian Bowker had a nice pick 6 that helped us to a comfortable halftime lead, and we ended up with 3 int's.

Likewise special teams looked very good at times, had some nice kickoff returns.  But we also had a FG blocked and a punt blocked in the 4th quarter that Bluffton returned for a TD.  Our punter just takes way too long to get the punt off, he has to cut down on his steps or something.

For you HCAC fans I'd say Bluffton is a tad better than Manchester, especially offensively.  They had to throw a ton today and had some nice long completions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2019, 10:53:39 PM
Captain_Joe: Oh, I did not mean to exclude Finlandia-my apologies!  A simple inadvertent oversight.  Speaking of them, at least they scored 12 points today as opposed to the 0-7 per game they have usually been doing last year and this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 14, 2019, 11:08:54 PM
Aside from the Finlandia game as mentioned above, for the most part, the other MIAA games went essentially as expected (for me), although I was was surprised that Kalamazoo lost to Greenville, that Albion beat Franklin and that Alma beat Manchester as big as they did (and with only slightly over 500 people showed up for that game-disappointing.) It appears that Albion is tremendously better than they were last year.  Albion, Trine, Alma and Hope will be the main contenders for the title, however, no one can take any of the MIAA teams for granted as we all know how the title chase tends to go down each year.

A beautiful weather day for football today.  A great rebound win for Hope, although, as I said I would be if the attendance was less than 3,000, I was disappointed that only 2553 was the attendance for this annual City of Holland/Hope College Community Day football game event.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 14, 2019, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 14, 2019, 10:53:39 PM
Captain_Joe: Oh, I did not mean to exclude Finlandia-my apologies!  A simple inadvertent oversight.  Speaking of them, at least they scored 12 points today as opposed to the 0-7 per game they have usually been doing last year and this year.

No worries!

I was getting some sunburn watching an awesome 8-man football game. At least it they didn't give up 81 unlike last year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 15, 2019, 12:05:52 PM
Weirdest play-by-play for the MIAA that I spotted (and I'm sure leaving the K-zoo coaches and fans scratching their heads):
Kalamazoo forced 12 (12) three-and-outs in their game with Greenville, only allowed nine first downs, and lost. Greenville scored on a fumble return, an end-of-the-half pass-and-lateral touchdown of 57 yards, a slotback pass for a 30 yard TD, and another 57 yard pass. Yeesh.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 15, 2019, 12:05:52 PM

formerd3db

Hey, doc. Congrats to your team. I guess they really hated losing that first game so decided to take it out on Defiance. Good luck to The Flying Dutchmen the rest of the year.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 15, 2019, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on September 15, 2019, 12:05:52 PM

formerd3db

Hey, doc. Congrats to your team. I guess they really hated losing that first game so decided to take it out on Defiance. Good luck to The Flying Dutchmen the rest of the year.  ;D

I watched the Defiance-Hope game and it was the first time in my 77 years I was present to see 80 points put on a team.  It seemed to be a day when Hope was clicking on all cylinders on both O and D while Defiance, not a very good team under the best of circumstances just couldn't get their act together.  I never had the feeling Hope was pouring it on ... and a lot of back-up players got valuable game experience.   Next week against Aurora could prove interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 15, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 15, 2019, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on September 15, 2019, 12:05:52 PM

formerd3db

Hey, doc. Congrats to your team. I guess they really hated losing that first game so decided to take it out on Defiance. Good luck to The Flying Dutchmen the rest of the year.  ;D

I watched the Defiance-Hope game and it was the first time in my 77 years I was present to see 80 points put on a team.  It seemed to be a day when Hope was clicking on all cylinders on both O and D while Defiance, not a very good team under the best of circumstances just couldn't get their act together.  I never had the feeling Hope was pouring it on ... and a lot of back-up players got valuable game experience.   Next week against Aurora could prove interesting.

I never meant to imply Hope was pouring it on. Just worked out that way. Mount Union scores a bunch, sometimes. Glad Hope won!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 15, 2019, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on September 15, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 15, 2019, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on September 15, 2019, 12:05:52 PM

formerd3db

Hey, doc. Congrats to your team. I guess they really hated losing that first game so decided to take it out on Defiance. Good luck to The Flying Dutchmen the rest of the year.  ;D

I watched the Defiance-Hope game and it was the first time in my 77 years I was present to see 80 points put on a team.  It seemed to be a day when Hope was clicking on all cylinders on both O and D while Defiance, not a very good team under the best of circumstances just couldn't get their act together.  I never had the feeling Hope was pouring it on ... and a lot of back-up players got valuable game experience.   Next week against Aurora could prove interesting.

I never meant to imply Hope was pouring it on. Just worked out that way. Mount Union scores a bunch, sometimes. Glad Hope won!  ;D

I didn't mean to imply you said anything about "pouring it on".  I was observing that it didn't look like Hope poured it on.  I thought Hope showed some restraint when the outcome no longer was in doubt. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2019, 04:39:57 PM
Defiance has lots of issues, and some of them are institutional. It's going to be a tough slog for them.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 15, 2019, 05:43:27 PM
DBQ: Never took it that way, my friend. I agree with you, Hope did show a lot of constraint. It is always tough in those types of situations as many have discussed on these various boards at times concerning other institutions.

Pat: Indeed, that is unfortunately true. As a result, the enrollment has dropped significantly. I fear that if they do not get the situation straightened out, not only the football program, but the college itself could go out of existence. That certainly would be a shame. The football staff is certainly committed and sincere though, from what I know/have been told and that was very evident yesterday observing that in person. I wish them and the team all the best and hope they can overcome all the challenges.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 15, 2019, 05:48:12 PM
Thank you MUC57! Yes, it was good to get back in the "W" column and also see some of the back-up players get some playing time yesterday. Moving forward, there are still some big challenges ahead of us.

Good luck to your Raiders as they return to the schedule next week.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on September 15, 2019, 09:17:52 PM
A few thoughts from the first two weeks of MIAA football action:

In re: Defiance, In watching the Defiance/Albion game, I can't remember another team so over-matched at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. I actually gave Defiance's QB a lot of credit for sticking in the entire Albion game as we was getting hit nearly every play. I'm sure Defiance/Hope had much the same appearance.

Hopefully their committed and experienced staff can eventually get them back to competitiveness. This is a vulnerable time for small liberal arts colleges, and while a successful football program may not be able to save a school, the increased enrollment and awareness it brings can absolutely be part of the solution.

Albion: Offense is still explosive. Last year it lacked consistency, however, the key is for QB Kyle Thomas to avoid mistakes. Last year he could be explosive, but in any direction. If he play a clean game, Albion can score on anyone. 3 (relatively inexplicable) INTs against Defiance weren't an encouraging sign, the 6 TD, 0 INT performance against Franklin much more so. I was a little disappointed at Albion's inability to grind out yards on the ground against Franklin. They got some chunks, but too man times they gained 0, 1, or 2 yards, instead of 4, 5, and 6.

On defense Albion is clearly much improved compared to the last several years, and that would be expected considering their top 6 tacklers last year were all sophomores. I was concerned with the youth in the secondary, but against Franklin they looked pretty good, forcing their reportedly very good QB into a very inefficient evening. Nevertheless, I can't expect Albion's D to become world beaters over night, there will be growing pains.

Ultimately, Albion's biggest enemy may be their own lack of discipline. In two games Albion has been flagged for 21 penalties for 297 yards. Mistakes like that will absolutely cost them a game if they continue.

MIAA

What's striking is how similar some scores are this year compared to last when teams have played the same opponents. Ultimately the league seems to be in about the same place. My thoughts, briefly, and with no particular information other than perusing scores and box scores, about each team:

HOPE: Tough loss to a good Milikin team. This would seem to be their year, lots of talent back from last year. After finishing 2nd several years in a row I'm sure they're hungry for a breakthrough. Games against Trine and Albion will determine their season.

TRINE: Not so much a re-building year as a "re-loading" year. Trine has been the most consistent MIAA program since the mid-aughts. Albion hasn't beaten them since '13. Probably the team that scares me the most.

OLIVET: Outside the top 3 Olivet seems the best to me thus far. Definitely a dangerous opponent, and a program that seems to have gained some consistency at last,

KALAMAZOO: I'm never really sure what to expect from the Hornets, they seem to alternate from middling seasons to poor ones. I'm predicting a middling one. Interesting to note that with recent retirements, Jamie Zorbo is now the dean of MIAA football coaches.

ALMA: Seems like a fateful year for this once proud program that has been in the wilderness for a decade at this point. A 3rd place finish in '16 is their best result since 2008.

ADRIAN: Seems like a rebuilding year for the Bulldogs. After being in contention consistently in the late aughts and early 2010s, the Bulldogs seem to have been stuck in the middle class for most of the last decade. Can Jim Deere recapture the momentum he gave to the Bulldogs earlier in his career.

FINLANDIA: Seems much improved from last year, but any league win still seems like a long shot, this year anyway. The question for the Lions I think is whether they can recruit well enough to build a competitive program, or whether they're going to be stuck trying to playing win vulture to avoid the basement. I hope it's the former, but I have my doubts.

In any event it's sure to be another exciting, interesting, and surprising year. Good luck to all teams!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 15, 2019, 10:14:53 PM
Excellent analysis, RuleBritannia. 

Here's a question just for the sake of asking it (although, IMO, it is legit)...Will Adrian part ways with Deere like they did with Lyall if the perceived "mediocrity" continues as it has?  They did so for Lyall for exactly that reason, similar type of records during a stretch.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on September 16, 2019, 05:32:29 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 15, 2019, 10:14:53 PM
Here's a question just for the sake of asking it (although, IMO, it is legit)...Will Adrian part ways with Deere like they did with Lyall if the perceived "mediocrity" continues as it has?  They did so for Lyall for exactly that reason, similar type of records during a stretch.

I have no idea the inner-workings or sentiment at Adrian these days but it wouldn't surprise me if AC fired Deere. Lyall was fired after a 6-4 season and posting a record of 55-25 over his final 8 seasons. If you were going to fire him for wins and losses, it would have been long being that. My understanding of it was the new administration was expecting more than just average to above average. Again, I have no idea what's going on over there today, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was let go after another .500 or below season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 17, 2019, 02:12:34 PM
waxx:
While I also do not know about the current "inside atmosphere" there, just from what had transpired in the past, I agree with you that it would not be surprising if that were to happen. Thanks fir your opinion?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on September 17, 2019, 02:36:48 PM
I know there's a general consensus among many here that Andy Lyall got a raw deal. A coach with a long history at the school, who won them an MIAA championship, and had won far more than he lost, but without recent championship level success.

I know when their current President came to Adrian ('05), he brought with him a "results first" mentality, and made college programs justify themselves for continued support and funding. He also hired their current AD in '07, and thus, the letting go of Lyall and the promotion of Deere was one his first major decisions.

I think Deere will survive for now, his pair of MIAA championships ('12 and '14), are more recent then Lyall's ('97) was when he was let go, and I think the AD, having promoted Deere, probably feels that Deere is "his" guy, perhaps more than Lyall was.

But if Adrian goes 2-8, I could see Mr. Deere perhaps "retiring" after this season. Their next two games, home against Wisconsin Lutheran, and their MIAA opener vs. Kalamazoo are must wins for their season I think.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RuleBritannia on September 18, 2019, 02:03:01 PM
How are people feeling about this weeks' MIAA/NACC challenge? I know this series has been on sided in our favor since its inception, but there seems to be considerable optimism on the NACC board, and Aurora got some love in the North Region fan poll. Nevertheless, I see it:

Hope def. Aurora (comfortably, but not a blow out)

Albion def. Eureka (Somewhere between 7-21 points)

Trine def. Concordia-Wisconsin (Not close)

Concordia Chicago def. Finlandia (Not yet Lions...)

Alma def. Rockford (Important for Scots to pick up this W)

Adrian def. Wisconsin-Lutheran (Probably close, crucial for Adrian as discussed)

Olivet def. Benedictine (Given Benedictine's narrow win over Franklin, this is an interesting game from my vantage point)

That would still be a 7-1 MIAA record, but I could see many of these games being close affairs. Other thoughts?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 19, 2019, 07:13:41 AM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on September 18, 2019, 02:03:01 PM
Hope def. Aurora (comfortably, but not a blow out)

I hope you're right! Aurora has been pretty impressive so far this season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 19, 2019, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: HOPEful on September 19, 2019, 07:13:41 AM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on September 18, 2019, 02:03:01 PM
Hope def. Aurora (comfortably, but not a blow out)

I hope you're right! Aurora has been pretty impressive so far this season.

Although performances obviously vary from week to week for any team, the Aurora game will likely tell us a lot about Hope I believe.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on September 19, 2019, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 19, 2019, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: HOPEful on September 19, 2019, 07:13:41 AM
Quote from: RuleBritannia on September 18, 2019, 02:03:01 PM
Hope def. Aurora (comfortably, but not a blow out)

I hope you're right! Aurora has been pretty impressive so far this season.

Although performances obviously vary from week to week for any team, the Aurora game will likely tell us a lot about Hope I believe.

And a lot about Aurora as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 19, 2019, 03:40:58 PM
Agreed. I made mention of this in the North Region Fan Poll this morning. Losing to Aurora will really put a damper on MIAA play before it even begins. Personally, I'll have a difficult time getting excited for Trine and Albion if the team is 1-2.

On the other hand, beating Aurora comfortably would do a lot for restoring expectations back to where they were preseason.

On a lesser note, I'd love to see Miliken find a way to beat Wheaton in a couple weeks. That loss looks a lot better at the end of the year if Miliken beats a quality CCIW team or two.

Quote from: HOPEful on September 19, 2019, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: thunderdog on September 18, 2019, 01:32:50 PM
SNC also beat an undefeated Trine team 31-7 in the first round of the playoffs last year. IMO, Aurora absolutely deserves to be ranked ahead of Trine at the moment.

...Only two games in, I'm still having a difficult time ranking teams from perennial "lesser" conferences. This includes both the NACC and the MWC... I am intentionally holding out on ranking Aurora until after this week's game at Hope. It should be a good barometer on Aurora (as well as a good barometer for Hope and whether they'll ever re-enter the conversation)...

I ranked Trine 10th this week, but honestly, it was really a posturing vote. I'm somewhat expecting Hope to beat Aurora this week. If that happens, Milliken will be first team to move into my rankings next week, perhaps replacing Trine if no one else loses.

If Aurora beats Hope this week, they will most likely be in my rankings next week.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2019, 12:55:28 PM
I had it in my MIAA & NACC Picks

Hope over Aurora: Spartans need to prove themselves here.

Albion over Eureka: Bigger step up in opponent level for the Red Devils.

Trine over CUW: CUW has shown that they could be a major factor in league play but Trine is a bridge too far for them.

Lakeland over Kalamazoo: Perhaps K'zoo is dropping back to the norm. Need a better gauge of talent level at Lakeland yet.

Olivet over Benedictine: Which BenU team will show up? The one that beat Franklin or the one that lost to Loras?

Alma over Rockford: RU's performance last week against MLC did not give me much confidence they can do the job here.

Adrian over WLC: I can't trust WLC here despite the early struggles of the Bulldogs. Also why does it seem like WLC either plays Hope or Adrian in this series?

Concordia Chicago over Finlandia: This could be a solid game for a while. However the Lions are still a bit away from being able to win games like this.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2019, 02:56:01 PM
Updates:

Trine 21
Concordia Wisconsin 3

3rd

Hope 27
Aurora 13

3rd

Eureka 35
Albion 28

3rd

Lakeland 21
Kalamazoo 0

3rd

Concordia Chicago 23
Finlandia 6

3rd

Alma 34
Rockford 7

2nd
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2019, 06:28:38 PM
Trine 21
Concordia Wisconsin 16

Final

Hope 34
Aurora 32

Final

Olivet 21
Benedictine 6

Final

Alma 51
Rockford 16

Final

Lakeland 28
Kalamazoo 7

Final

Concordia Chicago 23
Finlandia 12

Final

Wisconsin Lutheran 29
Adrian 29

2OT

Adrian led 23-6 at halftime.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 21, 2019, 06:37:35 PM
Adrian 32
WLC 29

Final 2OT
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 21, 2019, 07:38:01 PM
Trine 21 CUW 16

The Thunder wrap up non-league play with a narrow win over the Falcons.  Our defense was impressive today.  It had to be as our offense, so far this season, is very inconsistent.  Trine with a 7 - 3 lead at half, and then we score on our first 2 possessions of the second half to make it 21-3.  I thought CUW would hang their heads after that but give them credit they fought to the end.  They got the ball back on their 30 with around a minute to play with a chance to drive for the winning touchdown, but we had a couple sacks, and then on a 4th and 25, as we were putting pressure on the QB and as he was going to the ground he shoveled an underhanded pass to a RB and he picked up an improbable 1st down, but there was an illegal block in the back on CUW and they had to replay 4th down and the Trine D got to the QB again for a sack to end the game.

Brandon Winters with a nice game passing today.  We actually had more passing yards then rushing, which is a rare occurrence.  We weren't consistent running the ball but a lot of that is CUW's defense, they were pretty good.   We had another punt blocked and returned for a TD which made it 21-9 late in the 3rd.  That's twice in the last 2 games that has happened.  I had mentioned last week our punter takes a long time to kick, not sure if it's the steps or just being slow, probably a combination of both.  If I were the opposing defense I'd be running the punt block every time on us.  Special teams coordinator needs to make some adjustments or I fear this is going to be a regular thing for our punter. 

Week off and then we get Hope at home 2 weeks from today for the MIAA opener.  Tough game right off the bat with the preseason favorite to win the league in Hope.  Loser probably doesn't have a chance to win the league, but you never know.

Good attendance, the box score didn't give a figure, I'd guess 4000 or so.  Trine side was full, not a big crowd from CUW but the overflow from Trine made their way to the visitors side to take up empty seats.  It was hot today, but thankfully some nice cloud cover helped everyone from baking out there.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 22, 2019, 07:12:10 PM
TU:

The Trine/Hope game should be an interesting game.  Both teams are playing similar right now (in general overall, IMO).  Based on what you have shared about Trine's performances the past weeks and seeing ours (Hope's), I tend to think the game may be a close one.

As far as Hope yesterday, I'll take the "W" anytime.  Yet, for many of the Hope fans, while glad for the win, there are still some concerns.  Hope was fortunate to win yesterday and had not Aurora botched their PAT tries (early missed kicks and failed 2 point conversions-I would have called different plays than they did for the point tries-Aurora would have won the game.  A poor call by the coaching staff to try an on-sides kick after scoring in the 4th quarter with about 7:50 left to play was baffling. That gave Hope excellent position for their next drive/score.  Then Aurora came right back and scores with the old "hook and ladder" play-a great call and perfect performance of the play.  I realize that many people do not like "trick plays," however, I am a supporter of those as there are appropriate times to call those and that was one of them.  Actually, if I were Aurora, I would have call one of those for at least one (if not all) of their 2 point conversion attempts.  Anyway, after scoring near the end of the game, Aurora went for another on-sides kick with Hope recovering to preserve the win as Aurora was out of timeouts.

Hope's defensive secondary had a difficult time in covering for the pass game, too many open areas.  Regarding the offense, they need to work on sustained drives as we will not be able to rely on the "big play" all the time from senior QB Opple, who is a great runner with big size and he ripped off quite a few long runs.  Again, I was disappointed in the attendance as only 1802 showed up for the game. A positive, at least IMO, that has been an improvement this year is the special teams play, especially on kickoff and punt coverage and the punting and kicking.  Overall, Aurora is much improved, which is pretty much what everyone here expected from what has been reported and discussed by others.     

As for us (Hope), great attitude and perseverance is already in place, but some consistent sustained performance will be needed if we expect to beat you guys (Trine) and then Albion.  The "bye" weekend, although slightly early this year will be a good thing (for some healing minor injuries) and time to re-group/prepare for the MIAA race to begin.

Thanks for your updates on Trine. Look forward to more exchanges with everyone here.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 22, 2019, 09:04:41 PM
Fwiw, masseyratings has Hope/Trine as a 50/50 game with Hope winning 33-32

Also, currently has Hope a slight favorite over Albion, despite the fact both Trine and Albion come in ranked just ahead of Hope in his ratings.  He also has the Albion/Trine game as 50/50
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 22, 2019, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: sac on September 22, 2019, 09:04:41 PM
Fwiw, masseyratings has Hope/Trine as a 50/50 game with Hope winning 33-32

Also, currently has Hope a slight favorite over Albion, despite the fact both Trine and Albion come in ranked just ahead of Hope in his ratings.  He also has the Albion/Trine game as 50/50

Hey, sac, good friend.  Your FWIWs are always welcome!  That massyrating is in line with what I am thinking also.  As far as the Albion game, obviously, I'm rooting for us, and with us having beaten them the last 3 years, you know they will be. let's say, more than determined.  Personally, I would say the Hope/Albion game is 50/50 at this point.  Regardless, again, I think the early "bye" week is a good thing for this particular year as it has played out so far-understanding, of course, that no one can really predict the usefulness of a "bye" week in any year.

BTW, sac, taking a "timeout" here and briefly switching to a basketball question, what do you think about Albion scheduled to play Michigan State in basketball at Breslin for a season opening Exhibition game? :)  Was it 2012 when Hope played the Exhibition at Indiana?  I can't remember the exact year right off hand. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 22, 2019, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 22, 2019, 10:10:42 PM

BTW, sac, taking a "timeout" here and briefly switching to a basketball question, what do you think about Albion scheduled to play Michigan State in basketball at Breslin for a season opening Exhibition game? :)  Was it 2012 when Hope played the Exhibition at Indiana?  I can't remember the exact year right off hand.

I think its great.  But that game is only happening because MSU's Cassius Winston's two younger brothers play at Albion.  Really nice of Izzo to make it happen. 

Hope played at Indiana Nov. 1 of 2016.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on September 23, 2019, 07:16:56 AM
Quote from: sac on September 22, 2019, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 22, 2019, 10:10:42 PM

BTW, sac, taking a "timeout" here and briefly switching to a basketball question, what do you think about Albion scheduled to play Michigan State in basketball at Breslin for a season opening Exhibition game? :)  Was it 2012 when Hope played the Exhibition at Indiana?  I can't remember the exact year right off hand.

I think its great.  But that game is only happening because MSU's Cassius Winston's two younger brothers play at Albion.  Really nice of Izzo to make it happen. 

Hope played at Indiana Nov. 1 of 2016.

I feel like those d3/d1 exhibitions always have some story line/connection behind them. I know in recent memory Alma played at Indiana (when Tom Crean, who started his collegiate coaching career at Alma, was the head coach) and at Central Michigan (when Kevin Gamble Sr. was coaching at Central and Jr. was playing at Alma).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 23, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: sflzman on September 23, 2019, 07:16:56 AM
Quote from: sac on September 22, 2019, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on September 22, 2019, 10:10:42 PM

BTW, sac, taking a "timeout" here and briefly switching to a basketball question, what do you think about Albion scheduled to play Michigan State in basketball at Breslin for a season opening Exhibition game? :)  Was it 2012 when Hope played the Exhibition at Indiana?  I can't remember the exact year right off hand.

I think its great.  But that game is only happening because MSU's Cassius Winston's two younger brothers play at Albion.  Really nice of Izzo to make it happen. 

Hope played at Indiana Nov. 1 of 2016.

I feel like those d3/d1 exhibitions always have some story line/connection behind them. I know in recent memory Alma played at Indiana (when Tom Crean, who started his collegiate coaching career at Alma, was the head coach) and at Central Michigan (when Kevin Gamble Sr. was coaching at Central and Jr. was playing at Alma).

Okay, one more post here on this basketball topic before returning to football (apologies to our other colleagues here as, yes, I know, this discussion should be over on the MIAA basketball board.)

First, thanks sac for the reminder of the Hope/Indiana exhibition.  For some reason, I somehow thought it was even further back in years. Second, as sflzman mentioned, yes, there is usually some "inside" connection for those games.  Seems like there have been more of these type of games in recent years.  The Alma games as sflzman mentioned, Albion played Eastern Michigan as I recall (Hope played Western Michigan a few years back); also, outside the MIAA, Franklin played Indiana and Manchester as I recall played Central Michigan in recent years and Ferris State playing Duke a year ago or so.  Of course, Izzo was involved in starting this trend several years ago when he initiated the exhibitions against some of the DII teams (his alma mater Northern Michigan and Grand Valley), but also playing the other state DI MAC schools in early regular season games.

This is just my own opinion, however, I always thought that if Hope had had some of their better teams from several years back, they may have had a better chance at beating (or at least a better showing against) Western Michigan in that game (and perhaps against Indiana.)  I wonder what those great North Park and Amherst teams would have done today against some of these DI schools? Possibly very good.

Historically, this DIII/DI scheduling has taken place on occasion long(er) ago in the past.  I seem to recall that back then, sometimes those games were counted as regular season games instead of exhibitions.  One year, I recall that Wheaton played Northwestern and took them to the buzzer, missing a shot that would have won the game.  Also (and this is going way back to the late 70s), Adrian played University of Detroit when Dick Vitale was the coach; there were 10,000+ at Detroit's Callahan Hall and Adrian was tied with them at halftime, but was blownout by 30 points in the second half, yet ended up losing only by 10.  Of course, today, teams are only allowed so many games and, in part, these types of games are only counted as exhibitions, (kind of a big scrimmage warm-up if you will), although there are other reasons as well for that. Nonetheless, I think it is a neat arrangement and great experience for the DIII players. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on September 23, 2019, 02:48:54 PM

formerd3db

Have some comments for you on the OAC board.  8-)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 24, 2019, 08:13:25 PM
Every MIAA team has a BYE this Saturday.   Has that ever happened in any Conference at any time?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 24, 2019, 09:05:02 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 24, 2019, 08:13:25 PM
Every MIAA team has a BYE this Saturday.   Has that ever happened in any Conference at any time?

I can't answer your question right off hand, although I can't imagine that it hasn't occurred at least one in one of the other conferences at one time or another.  I believe this is not the first time that if has occurred for our MIAA, however.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 24, 2019, 10:24:36 PM
Happened last year on Sept 23, and 4 years ago on Sept 26.

Not sure before that.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 25, 2019, 04:05:07 PM
Quote from: sac on September 24, 2019, 10:24:36 PM
Happened last year on Sept 23, and 4 years ago on Sept 26.

Not sure before that.

Hmmmm ... I was around then.  I guess I wasn't paying attention.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 25, 2019, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 24, 2019, 08:13:25 PM
Every MIAA team has a BYE this Saturday.   Has that ever happened in any Conference at any time?

For sure it has.  I don't have the inclination to dig for specific historical examples right now, but I do know that the NWC is all off this week as well.  I'm fairly certain that some of the 10 team leagues over the years have all played Week 1, off Week 2, and then Weeks 3-11 for conference games. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2019, 10:11:22 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 25, 2019, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 24, 2019, 08:13:25 PM
Every MIAA team has a BYE this Saturday.   Has that ever happened in any Conference at any time?

For sure it has.  I don't have the inclination to dig for specific historical examples right now, but I do know that the NWC is all off this week as well.  I'm fairly certain that some of the 10 team leagues over the years have all played Week 1, off Week 2, and then Weeks 3-11 for conference games.

Every season the Centennial takes a week off for midterm exams. This season that is the weekend of Oct. 12.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: OC_SID on September 25, 2019, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 25, 2019, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 24, 2019, 08:13:25 PM
Every MIAA team has a BYE this Saturday.   Has that ever happened in any Conference at any time?

For sure it has.  I don't have the inclination to dig for specific historical examples right now, but I do know that the NWC is all off this week as well.  I'm fairly certain that some of the 10 team leagues over the years have all played Week 1, off Week 2, and then Weeks 3-11 for conference games.

The OAC did that for many years where everyone played week 1, was off week 2 and started OAC play week 3. And then they went to some teams playing non-conference Week 1, some play non-conference week 2, and then start non-conference play week 3. I think it was last year where I saw some schools play non-conference week 1 and then start conference play week 2.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 30, 2019, 04:59:46 PM
Hey TUAngola ... I'm tempted to make the drive down/over to Angola for this Saturday's game.  What is the parking situation around the stadium?  Is this Trine's homecoming weekend ... and will that add a y complications?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 30, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 30, 2019, 04:59:46 PM
Hey TUAngola ... I'm tempted to make the drive down/over to Angola for this Saturday's game.  What is the parking situation around the stadium?  Is this Trine's homecoming weekend ... and will that add a y complications?

Hi DBQ...yes it is Trine's homecoming this weekend against Hope, plus we are also celebrating 25 years of football at the university.  There is a celebration for football alumni who have played for Tri State/Trine going back to when football began collegiately at the school in 1995.  I can remember going to a couple of those games in 1995, back then the Tri State Trojans played their home games at Angola High School.  An on campus football field wasn't completed until several years later.

If the weather is decent (right now it says Saturday will be cloudy and cool with a high of 59, to me that is perfect football weather), I am expecting a huge crowd, maybe in the 6000 range, Hope fans travel well too which will help the figure.  We had 4800+ for the CUW home opener a few weeks ago and probably only 100-150 of those were CUW fans.  Parking wise, you just have to find what you can find.  I am assuming you are taking I69 south as the last leg of your trip, take exit 348 and head East on US 20 into Angola.  Turn right on Summit St towards campus.  At Park St, you can try to find parking on either side of Hershey Hall (the old basketball arena) or you may have to park nearer to the MTI Center.  If you have time and it's your first time to Trine you ought to walk into MTI, I'm sure it is open to the public on gameday to explore.  Not quite as grand as DeVos but it's close.

I've been to all 3 of Trine's games this year.  We haven't played a complete game yet, but maybe this is as good as it gets this year for us.  We're decent, but with weaknesses.  Obviously not the same offensive firepower (i.e. Carswell) as the last few years.  We'll need to win it with defense.  Hope is a load though, preseason favorite, I remember the game last year in Holland, your QB is so good running the ball, huge man!  Trine hasn't lost a regular season game since the end of the 2016, so Hope will be out to end that streak!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2019, 07:24:32 PM
Unfortunately, I am not able to be at Trine for our game there this Saturday ad I have a family wedding (a cousin:s) that I have to attend. I suspect it will be a very good game.

BTW, TU Angola
That is great Trine us celebrating and honoring the players of the 25 years of the "new" era in football.  However, did you know that Tri-State/Trine actually had collegiate football well before the 1995 season? They had football in the late 1890s with the last team beinig 1990 before football was reinstated in 1995 by one if the alumni (former name of your current stadium) who had a business in Fort Wayne, IN.  Trine had that info about the early football team(s) on their website back in early 2000s, however, it is not on the history section of the current football web page. That is strange.
DBQ, drive safe if you go to the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: letsgoscots on October 03, 2019, 11:58:04 AM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on October 03, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2019, 01:21:14 PM
Clearly that was a parody account.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: letsgoscots on October 03, 2019, 01:22:07 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2019, 04:07:49 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2019, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: letsgoscots on October 03, 2019, 01:22:07 PM
It was 100% NOT a parody account. It was Craig Rundle's account.

Hacked, then, perhaps.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on October 03, 2019, 04:47:34 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 03, 2019, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: waxx on October 03, 2019, 04:47:34 PM
The cached site sure doesn't show anything that screams parody account.

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 04, 2019, 05:19:55 PM
For those of you traveling to Angola tomorrow for the Hope-Trine football game, here is the latest weather forecast; mostly sunny, some clouds, temp 60.  Perfect weather for football!  Even though Hope is the league favorite I think the most pressure to win tomorrow falls on Trine.  They have this to think about...the regular season winning streak going back to the end of 2016...it's Homecoming, no one wants to lose Homecoming...and many past football alums are back in town, added pressure to perform well in front of your peers.  I think it will be a low scoring game.  If it's high scoring it favors Hope, as Trine will need to rely on the defense to keep us in the game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2019, 09:22:17 PM
TU:

As I previously mentioned, normally, I would be coming there and on the sidelines.  However, can't make it tomorrow due to having to attend a relative's wedding.  Anyway, indeed, sounds like it will be perfect fall football weather.  Have a great time at Homecoming, except, of course, the outcome of the game, of which you know who I hope wins! ::) :) Pat and Ryan think Trine may be among the remaining unbeaten teams to get beat this weekend.  Overall, I think it should be a very good game.  No disrespect to my relative, but I am sad in having to miss the great atmosphere that will be at your Trine stadium and campus.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 05, 2019, 08:37:00 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 04, 2019, 09:22:17 PM
TU:

As I previously mentioned, normally, I would be coming there and on the sidelines.  However, can't make it tomorrow due to having to attend a relative's wedding.  Anyway, indeed, sounds like it will be perfect fall football weather.  Have a great time at Homecoming, except, of course, the outcome of the game, of which you know who I hope wins! ::) :) Pat and Ryan think Trine may be among the remaining unbeaten teams to get beat this weekend.  Overall, I think it should be a very good game.  No disrespect to my relative, but I am sad in having to miss the great atmosphere that will be at your Trine stadium and campus.

Trine football is always a great atmosphere, I think it's the best in the MIAA...today should be a huge crowd!  I wholeheartedly agree that Trine's national ranking is not accurate, we aren't one of the 25 best D3 teams in the country, or even one of the top 10 teams in the Midwest region, not even close.  The ranking is based mostly off the last 2 years, and that we haven't lost...yet.  This team lost a lot of offensive weapons and defensive secondary production from the previous 2 seasons.  Our first 3 games this year we've gotten off to comfortable leads in all 3 only to see the other teams come back.  We don't finish well.  But today's game is a different animal, Hope is a really good physically tough team.  I am not expecting us to win, but our advantage today is playing at home.  If Hope jumps out to a quick lead and takes the crowd out of the game it will be tough for Trine to win.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 05, 2019, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 05, 2019, 08:37:00 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 04, 2019, 09:22:17 PM
TU:

As I previously mentioned, normally, I would be coming there and on the sidelines.  However, can't make it tomorrow due to having to attend a relative's wedding.  Anyway, indeed, sounds like it will be perfect fall football weather.  Have a great time at Homecoming, except, of course, the outcome of the game, of which you know who I hope wins! ::) :) Pat and Ryan think Trine may be among the remaining unbeaten teams to get beat this weekend.  Overall, I think it should be a very good game.  No disrespect to my relative, but I am sad in having to miss the great atmosphere that will be at your Trine stadium and campus.

Trine football is always a great atmosphere, I think it's the best in the MIAA...today should be a huge crowd!  I wholeheartedly agree that Trine's national ranking is not accurate, we aren't one of the 25 best D3 teams in the country, or even one of the top 10 teams in the Midwest region, not even close.  The ranking is based mostly off the last 2 years, and that we haven't lost...yet.  This team lost a lot of offensive weapons and defensive secondary production from the previous 2 seasons.  Our first 3 games this year we've gotten off to comfortable leads in all 3 only to see the other teams come back.  We don't finish well.  But today's game is a different animal, Hope is a really good physically tough team.  I am not expecting us to win, but our advantage today is playing at home.  If Hope jumps out to a quick lead and takes the crowd out of the game it will be tough for Trine to win.

I agree.  Hope has seemed to finish pretty strong in the games played.  However, they do tend to be lax at inadvertent times.  If Hope makes a dumb mistake early in the game, such as on lackadaisical kickoff coverage or being lax in covering receivers and/or giving up the long bomb pass, as they have a tendency to do on occasion. then it could set the tone, including for the crowd.  Being that it is your Homecoming, the latter could be a factor.

I agree that Trine's atmosphere is one of the best in the MIAA, but I also rank Albion and Olivet right in there as well.  Although as much as I love my alma mater as you all know, the atmosphere at our home stadium, while fun and great fan support from those who come to the games is just not like it used to be (IMO.) Attendance has been very disappointing the past few years, which is baffling to me because we have had the three consecutive good winning records.  But, that is "just the way it is."  Nonetheless, nothing beats being at one's home stadium on a beautiful fall weather day for college football no matter which school it is! 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 05, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
I thought Hope would win at Trine, but sure didn't see this demolition job coming - Hope 51, Trine 0 in the 4th! :o
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 05, 2019, 04:47:21 PM

formerd3db

Hope 51 - Trine 0

Hey doc, bet that makes your day. Wow! Those Flying Dutchmen are good!
Good luck the rest of the way! Go Hope!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 05, 2019, 05:11:03 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on October 05, 2019, 04:47:21 PM

formerd3db

Hope 51 - Trine 0

Hey doc, bet that makes your day. Wow! Those Flying Dutchmen are good!
Good luck the rest of the way! Go Hope!  ;D

The winning streak has come to a crashing end!  Yes, just a total domination on both sides of the ball by Hope.  They played a perfect game.  The guy that makes then go and is such a difference maker is Mason Opple.  This is the 3rd time I've seen him play and he's gotten better each year, especially throwing the ball.  He has such patience in the pocket and has pinpoint accuracy.  But his receivers were also wide open running free most of the day.  Trine was just putrid on offense. Brandon Winters was awful throwing the ball, but Hope had a lot to do with that as they got consistent pressure in the backfield.  Just no fight in the guys today, Hope punched them in the mouth and we didn't punch back.

On a positive note Trine did set a new attendance record, over 6300 fans came out on this gorgeous afternoon.  They really do need to add some more seating to the home side, but I don't know where they can expand unless they build a "wrap around" extension on the northeast corner of the stadium. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 05, 2019, 05:18:41 PM
...wow just saw the score of the Alma - Albion game.  Alma won 32-38, didn't see that one at coming at all!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 05, 2019, 05:55:06 PM
I agree ... it was a great atmosphere at Trine today ... and then Thunder fans ran into some huge disappointment.  I saw a number  of folk walking out at half-time.  As TUAngola observed earlier,  Hope played almost perfect football and was hitting on all cylinders.   Trine on the other hand simply was outplayed, never in sync.  I thought I  heard the attendance announced  as 6,375.  Having visited all MIAA stadiums/fields except Adrian and Finlandia, it is my considered opinion that Trine has the best hot dogs.  Anyway,  it was a great day  weatherwise.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on October 05, 2019, 07:27:59 PM

TUAngola

Tough game for you guys today. Sounds like you got run over by a steamroller. Who knows? Another day, another time ............?
6300 people at your game is an outstanding attendance. But that seems to be a rivalry game which always brings out everybody. Good going!
Best to you on the rest of the season. Could be a real battle for the conference championship. I think I shall keep one eye on the MIAA from here on out, of course, the other eye on Mount Union.  ::)  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 05, 2019, 10:27:10 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 05, 2019, 05:55:06 PM
I agree ... it was a great atmosphere at Trine today ... and then Thunder fans ran into some huge disappointment.  I saw a number  of folk walking out at half-time.  As TUAngola observed earlier,  Hope played almost perfect football and was hitting on all cylinders.   Trine on the other hand simply was outplayed, never in sync.  I thought I  heard the attendance announced  as 6,375.  Having visited all MIAA stadiums/fields except Adrian and Finlandia, it is my considered opinion that Trine has the best hot dogs.  Anyway,  it was a great day  weatherwise.

Appreciate this kind of in depth analysis.  It's been a little while since I've been there, but in the NCAC, the stadium dog game is dominated by Wooster.  Nobody else is even close. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 05, 2019, 11:07:03 PM
MUC57, Mr. Ypsi, TU, and DBQ:

Wow! I thought, as TU did, that Hope would probably win, again if Hope did not make Amy la lacadasical mistakes. However, I did not expect this end result at all. Now, I'm sorry to have missed the game, not only for the huge win, but experiencing the atmosphere, huge 6375 crowd, and those hot dogs! Thanks MUC  and fir sure that was a great win. Good luck to your Raiders, although they don't need it!🙂

Now, with all that said, I was shocked at Alma's win over Albion. That was a HUGE win for Alma and a huge upset the way Albion had been playing. I hope that Hope will have the same intensity and hitting on all cylinders like they did today for next week's Homecoming game against Albion. I would bet that Albion will be even more determined now for an intense showing against us next week. Feeling pretty good right now, but still a long way to go as yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on October 05, 2019, 11:18:09 PM
Formerd3db,

Congrats to your alma mater Hope on a big win today. Hope all is well with you. :)

Raider 68
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 06, 2019, 09:18:48 AM
I'm honestly not sure what stunned me more, Hope's 51 point blowout or Alma's massive road upset. Also I didn't expect Kalamazoo to be in such a close game with Adrian. It looks like the only 'expected' outcome this week was Olivet dropping 63 in Hancock.

Looking ahead to next week, Trine travels to Alma in what could be an interesting matchup. And Hope can start Albion off 0-2 in league play. Olivet hosts Adrian on homecoming (with what I'm expecting to be the best atmosphere ever at a homecoming, the alumni relations department has gone all in with this years event), and Kalamazoo will beat Finlandia.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 06, 2019, 09:57:17 AM
Thank you Raider 68. Yes, it was a big win. We'll need to beat Albion next week or it will be wasted. Being that it is Homecoming, that should help, although it didn't do that for Trine yesterday. ::) What do you think the atmosphere would be like at Mount if they had 6375 people in the stands like Trine did yesterday?😊 Anyway,  your Mount didn't have any trouble in their game yesyerdsy. They just keep rolling on! I am doing well and I hope you are too.

Jamesways:
Your Olivet is still in the race. As it is your Homecoming next week, as to say, there should be a big crowd and g  and your alumni department a d your SID do a great job in that aspect. It will be interesting to see if you guys can break the record of two years ago when 7000 people were in your stands! Good  luck to your team and enjoy of you go to the game!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 06, 2019, 11:41:08 AM
I dropped a loud "wow" when I saw that Hope/Trine score. Good Lordt that was a whuppin.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bofadeeznuts on October 06, 2019, 09:11:11 PM
Just saw the new Top25. Who on earth thought Trine was STILL good enough to give them a vote? Huh? Things like that turn the top 25 into a joke. You should be ashamed of yourself. Giving someone a vote after getting duece'd on at home 51-0?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on October 06, 2019, 09:16:57 PM
Quote from: Bofadeeznuts on October 06, 2019, 09:11:11 PM
Just saw the new Top25. Who on earth thought Trine was STILL good enough to give them a vote? Huh? Things like that turn the top 25 into a joke. You should be ashamed of yourself. Giving someone a vote after getting duece'd on at home 51-0?

Based on 2 points for Hope, I sure hope (ha) it was the same person ranking Hope 24 and Trine 25. 51 points separating a single spot in the rankings? Well, that's interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bofadeeznuts on October 06, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
Yeah. And just read that only 25 coaches vote on this. Most likely same person gave those 2 teams votes.
I live and follow in the WIAC conference area so I dont know much about these schools. Would someone be able to direct me to the coach that gave the votes?
I'm not sure why this bugs me so much, but it really does.
Guessing no one should look into the top 25 too much based on this garbage.
Get a clue whoever you are!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2019, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Bofadeeznuts on October 06, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
Yeah. And just read that only 25 coaches vote on this. Most likely same person gave those 2 teams votes.
I live and follow in the WIAC conference area so I dont know much about these schools. Would someone be able to direct me to the coach that gave the votes?
I'm not sure why this bugs me so much, but it really does.
Guessing no one should look into the top 25 too much based on this garbage.
Get a clue whoever you are!

Can tell it bugs you -- enough that you didn't bother to scroll down one more line to see the information about who votes. BTW, I doubt that this voter reads the MIAA board.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on October 06, 2019, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: Bofadeeznuts on October 06, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
Yeah. And just read that only 25 coaches vote on this. Most likely same person gave those 2 teams votes.
I live and follow in the WIAC conference area so I dont know much about these schools. Would someone be able to direct me to the coach that gave the votes?
I'm not sure why this bugs me so much, but it really does.
Guessing no one should look into the top 25 too much based on this garbage.
Get a clue whoever you are!

I think that might be a bit of an extreme response. As Pat continually represents, the only "rankings" from this poll are the Top 25. The othes are not considered ranked in any order. They are just "others receiving votes". The beauty of an aggregate poll of 25 voters is that the outliers are just that.  They don't affect the Top 25.

If you have ever done the exercise of ranking the Top 25 teams, you would know that the lower end of the ballot can be really challenging. Btw, I'm not addressing whether or not the Trine vote was a good one. Rather, i'm challenging the notion that an outlier at the back end of one of the ballots de-legitimizes the Top 25. In my view it does not.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2019, 10:47:50 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 06, 2019, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: Bofadeeznuts on October 06, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
Yeah. And just read that only 25 coaches vote on this. Most likely same person gave those 2 teams votes.
I live and follow in the WIAC conference area so I dont know much about these schools. Would someone be able to direct me to the coach that gave the votes?
I'm not sure why this bugs me so much, but it really does.
Guessing no one should look into the top 25 too much based on this garbage.
Get a clue whoever you are!

I think that might be a bit of an extreme response. As Pat continually represents, the only "rankings" from this poll are the Top 25. The othes are not considered ranked in any order. They are just "others receiving votes". The beauty of an aggregate poll of 25 voters is that the outliers are just that.  They don't affect the Top 25.

If you have ever done the exercise of ranking the Top 25 teams, you would know that the lower end of the ballot can be really challenging. Btw, I'm not addressing whether or not the Trine vote was a good one. Rather, i'm challenging the notion that an outlier at the back end of one of the ballots de-legitimizes the Top 25. In my view it does not.

One point out of 8,125 is probably not worth all the ink it has gotten from someone not even involved!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bofadeeznuts on October 06, 2019, 10:50:43 PM
Sure it does!
The ones in Honorable Mention DID get a vote to be in Top 25. As I scrolled down 2 MORE lines, voting is based on a 25 to 1 voting. #1 team gets 25 votes. #25 team gets 1 vote. Trine got a #25 ranking. Hence the 1 point. Hope probably got a #24 voting from the same guy. Hence the 2 points.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Bofadeeznuts on October 06, 2019, 10:54:31 PM
ITS THE PRINCIPLE OF IT. Knowing that probably more of the coaches are clueless about the rest of the nation.
That's it.
Sorry for posting it. Just a little disturbed by it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bleedpurple on October 06, 2019, 11:22:46 PM
I think I just got lectured on principle by someone with a screen name of "Bofadeeznuts".  ;)

Don't ever apologize for posting, brother. As long as you don't mind pushback when someone else holds a different view, it's all good.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on October 07, 2019, 03:04:37 PM
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/afca-coaches
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 08, 2019, 09:39:53 AM
Mason Opple - Hope QB named to the D3football Team of the Week
K Cooper West - Adrian Kicker named to the D3football Team of the Week

Neither of these men were MIAA player of the week in their respective categories...

https://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2019/week5
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
FDF:
Interesting.

BTW, I think the tentative weather predicted schedule may have some effect on the attendance and perhaps a little even the game plan philosophy, but then, perhaps not with regard to the latter if it doesn't rain.

DBQ: You are added as a member to the DIII Levity Club for your "I do look under the bed" comment reply to your acussers of being in the conspiracy camp over on the MIAC board!😁

Edited for spelling.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 08, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 08, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
FDF:
Interesting.

BTW, I think the tentative weather predicted schedule may have some effect on the attendance and perhaps a little even the game plan philosophy, but then, perhaps not with regard to the latter if it doesn't rain.

DBQ: You are added as a member to the DIII Levity Club for your "I do look under the bed" comment reply to your acussers of being in the conspiracy camp over on the MIAC board!😁

Edited for spelling.

Thank you former3db. That feels like a good club to belong to.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2019, 04:15:22 PM
You are welcome, DBQ. Indeed, there are some really funny and good guys that are in that category and I'm sure we'll have more.😊
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2019, 04:38:01 PM
So this will be one of the decisive weeks in starting to sort out the MIAA race this year. Alma's shocking upset of Albion this past  Saturday may have put a sideline diversion for someone on the trail.  While many of us think that the winner of this week's Hope/Albion game will likely be the eventual champion (myself included, which I think will be Hope, although I am biased as you all know), Olivet will not be a pushover for anyone assuming they beat Adrian this Saturday. And, if Alma wins, then we'll still have some teams that present a road block and/or just might have a chance at grabbing the title.

However, if Hope continues the level of performance it did against Trine, I believe we'll be hard to stop. At the same time, we all know that underdog upsets do occur occasionaly as Alma pulled off, but I am not convinced that Albion isn't a team that isn't very good and very dangerous because they still are both. Of course, this is our most heated rival, without question, amd anything can happen. Hope has won the last three years and that, along with Albion's stinging recent loss,  I am expecting they will be on a mission and fired up in a controlled frenzy, again, in part, because it is against us.

So I am hopeful that the Navy Blue and Orange will continue the intensity and their top performances on all phases of their game. 4 days left to prepare.

BTW, does anyone think Finlandia has a chance against Kalamazoo this Saturday? It is at Angell Field in Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 08, 2019, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 08, 2019, 04:38:01 PM

BTW, does anyone think Finlandia has a chance against Kalamazoo this Saturday? It is at Angell Field in Kalamazoo.

No. Not a chance. None. At all.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2019, 06:42:05 PM
Jamesways.

Strange things do happen. ::)  However, I think you are right. :)  Based on Finlandias games so far this year, I think they might score more than zero or one TD like they did against most teams last year.

I forgot to ask.  What is/are your prediction/thoughts about your Olivet against Adrian this Saturday.  Regarding the non on-the-field action, you mentioned you thought there would be a huge crowd for the game, although as I related in my earlier post, I think attendance for these "big" games this weekend will be a slight victim of the expected (predicted) worse weather.  Anyway, I think Olivet will win the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 08, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
I was actually camping last weekend and only saw box scores, no live action. I think that the freshman quarterback is going to be a great player in a few years, but this will be a learning year. I've seen him around campus, he looks more like a D1 linebacker than a D3 QB, so I think he could be a handful for defenses when running the ball.

As for attendance, Olivet is doing big things this week. Today they posted photos on Facebook of the rides moving in for the carnival. They are going to have a stage, bar, craft beer local wines, food trucks etc. They are planning on a crowd and I have alumni friends flying in from Colorado for this one.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 08, 2019, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Jameswys on October 08, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
I was actually camping last weekend and only saw box scores, no live action. I think that the freshman quarterback is going to be a great player in a few years, but this will be a learning year. I've seen him around campus, he looks more like a D1 linebacker than a D3 QB, so I think he could be a handful for defenses when running the ball.

As for attendance, Olivet is doing big things this week. Today they posted photos on Facebook of the rides moving in for the carnival. They are going to have a stage, bar, craft beer local wines, food trucks etc. They are planning on a crowd and I have alumni friends flying in from Colorado for this one.

That's awesome. Olivet seems to be going all out for fresh ideas  for being in alumni and increasing attendance whether it is Homecoming or not. Also, I know the SID there, a great guy who does a great job.  I hope you guys have a huge turnout and break the record that was set two years ago. Good luck to your team and have a great time.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 12, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
For what it's worth, here is my brief take on today's Hope - Albion game.  First of all,  it was a COLD Lake Michigan wind blowing over Smith Stadium this afternoon ... brrrrr.  The first half was well played by both teams.  Albion's no-huddle offense was a problem for the Flying Dutchmen for 2 quarters, but Hope made some important halftime adjustments on both offense and defense, and I thought the game was decided in the 3rd quarter.  I continue to be impressed with Hope's QB Opple's decision making ability in the heat of the moment.  In some ways, this was a very important win for Hope following last week's Trine win.  And on a final word, I must call attention to the University of Dubuque Spartans beating the favored Central  College Dutch on Schipper Field in Pella this Saturday.  When I say "Go Blue", I am not referring to that other team in Michigan.   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 12, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 12, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
For what it's worth, here is my brief take on today's Hope - Albion game.  First of all,  it was a COLD Lake Michigan wind blowing over Smith Stadium this afternoon ... brrrrr.  The first half was well played by both teams.  Albion's no-huddle offense was a problem for the Flying Dutchmen for 2 quarters, but Hope made some important halftime adjustments on both offense and defense, and I thought the game was decided in the 3rd quarter.  I continue to be impressed with Hope's QB Opple's decision making ability in the heat of the moment.  In some ways, this was a very important win for Hope following last week's Trine win.  And on a final word, I must call attention to the University of Dubuque Spartans beating the favored Central  College Dutch on Schipper Field in Pella this Saturday.  When I say "Go Blue", I am not referring to that other team in Michigan.   :D

DBQ1965:

Don't ever say that, your opinions/observations are always respected here!

I agree with you.  My thoughts have been, at least in the first two games, that the defense could not/would not be able to sustain the team and that the offense needed to do their part and contribute to the same. I still believe that holds for the remainder of the season.  A defense can keep you in the game (even when giving up a TD or two), yet, you have to have the offense to respond and return a score right after the opponent does (and also score when you are in the Red Zone.)  As great as a QB/player as Opple is, we can't rely totally on him all the time.  However, that said, the offense (all positions) has really has stepped up and done the job the last two games.

As you mention, in the first half, the Albion no huddle offense was difficult for Hope to deal with, although the defense did give up two of those rushing TDs in the game in the Red Zone too easily and those should have been stopped.  Yet, they did make the adjustments.  I  thought Albion somewhat gave up slightly in the last quarter, although they did throw several long bombs, two of which were dropped. However, overall, the Hope defense and secondary did a great job.  I will say that I thought this was one of the poorer Albion defensive secondary play that I have seen in quite a long time (dbs getting beat, out of position, etc.)

Overall, it was a great win and who would have believed we have now beaten our most heated rival 4 years in a row.  A few years ago, I dare say no one thought that was possible.  Things are cyclic for sure.  The only disappointment, IMO, was the lower turnout for a Homecoming game, 2803.  It is just not what it used to be at Hope, which is baffling to me in regards to the last 3 seasons and the type of football they've been playing.  Perhaps the daily weather reports and the colder weather early this morning had some affect on people deciding to attend.  Yet, while as you mentioned, the wind was cold and gusty at times, it actually was no where near as bad of weather as I thought it would be as the sun was out for most of the game, and dressed for moderately cold fall weather was comfortable on the sidelines.  Yet, perhaps it was colder for those sitting in the stadium in the shadows (those guys/gals in our H Club athletic hospitality tent on the south endzone hill had the best seats as the tent blocked the wind.  The tent was full all game (unfortunately, I never made it over there, and I was also told by one of my former teammates that only about 3 others from our era showed up there at the game, although perhaps we just did not run in to others.

Anyway, it is now on to Finlandia, which should be an easy win for Hope, although the 10 hour bus ride will be brutal!  The following week is Olivet and assuming they win next week.  Congratulations to our players, coaches, support staff and fans.  Winning a Homecoming is always the best!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 13, 2019, 12:48:56 AM
Wow. What a week in the MIAA. If anyone would have said two weeks ago that Albion, Trine and Finlandia would have the same number of conference wins, people would be wondering how Finlandia won two games. No one would believe Trine and Albion could both be 0-2.

Alma might be the real deal, but Hope looks great. Olivet fit 5555 into the stands this week but I'm not relishing getting to play a 0-2 Trine team on the road, especially one that likes to beat their former coaches and alumni working on the OC coaching staff.

The only thing I'm willing to say with confidence about the MIAA going into next week, Hope will 1000% be 3-0 on Saturday night, baring a delayed game that is.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
Jamesways:

A crowd of 5550 for your Homecoming, although it did not break the record of 7000 two years ago, still is great! We had only 2803 for our Homecoming yesterday and while the win was great and was huge for us, the attebdance, IMO, was disappointing.  Plus, there were only less than a handful of my teammates and firmer players from my era and/or around that.

Anyway, I am with you that the league title right now looks to likely be Hope, Olivet and Alma's to claim, although we know that anything could hapoen-strange things occasionally happen!

On another tangent (back to the attendance topic) and speaking of strange, Finlandia has had more in attendance at their last two home games than Kalamazoo. Albion has been in the 4000 range, and, of course, Trine has had big crowds:your Olivet has done pretty well also.. I'm finding it fascinating and slightly strange regarding some of the DIII attendance this year. A school like Hardin-Simmoms is having, 8000+, 9000+, and 10,000+ despite a terrible season so far, little Eureka College has had 4000 crowds, and WW had had 10,000 and 12,000 for games. We still have the Target Field and MetLife games yet to go.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sflzman on October 13, 2019, 03:17:37 PM
I went on StubHub today to see if there was anything tempting me to drive to Happy Valley next Saturday for the night game...after seeing tickets starting at around $200 I quickly decided no.

Thinking this might be a reason d3 football is so attractive (in line with the similar arguments for minor league baseball).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2019, 03:59:54 PM
Makes sense, sflzman.🙂
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 13, 2019, 04:52:15 PM
Early forecast for Houghton/Hancock suggests Hope will catch a little break in the weather department.  58, partly cloudy, probably some wind.  That's a pretty fine day on the Keewenaw this time of year

Beautiful drive though.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 13, 2019, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: sac on October 13, 2019, 04:52:15 PM
Early forecast for Houghton/Hancock suggests Hope will catch a little break in the weather department.  58, partly cloudy, probably some wind.  That's a pretty fine day on the Keewenaw this time of year

Beautiful drive though.

Yeah, all 10 hours of the drive. Unless you get delayed in crossing the bridge or a moose in the U.P.! ;)  Both do happen more often than one might think!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 13, 2019, 08:16:56 PM
Quote from: sac on October 13, 2019, 04:52:15 PM
Beautiful drive though.

The last two weeks the colors haven't been the quite ready yet. Today driving back down state from Traverse City the colors were just about ready. I'd bet a drive next Friday or Saturday to Finlandia would be a peak color drive. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 13, 2019, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: Jameswys on October 13, 2019, 08:16:56 PM
Quote from: sac on October 13, 2019, 04:52:15 PM
Beautiful drive though.

The last two weeks the colors haven't been the quite ready yet. Today driving back down state from Traverse City the colors were just about ready. I'd bet a drive next Friday or Saturday to Finlandia would be a peak color drive.

They were peak around Gaylord this weekend, which equates to peak in the mid UP Marquette area.  There will be lots of color no doubt.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 14, 2019, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: sac on October 13, 2019, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: Jameswys on October 13, 2019, 08:16:56 PM
Quote from: sac on October 13, 2019, 04:52:15 PM
Beautiful drive though.

The last two weeks the colors haven't been the quite ready yet. Today driving back down state from Traverse City the colors were just about ready. I'd bet a drive next Friday or Saturday to Finlandia would be a peak color drive.

They were peak around Gaylord this weekend, which equates to peak in the mid UP Marquette area.  There will be lots of color no doubt.

Assuming we don't get the rain that is tentatively predicted for the next several days, although the weather reports usually change frequently as you know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 17, 2019, 08:51:46 PM
jamesways:

Although it is a week early to ask this, are you going to be at the Olivet/Hope game?  If so, it would be great to visit for a few minutes sometime either before or after the game. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 19, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 17, 2019, 08:51:46 PM
jamesways:

Although it is a week early to ask this, are you going to be at the Olivet/Hope game?  If so, it would be great to visit for a few minutes sometime either before or after the game.

Yes, most likely. We can make arrangements next week via PM! I always like meeting people in real life.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2019, 10:24:30 AM
Jamesways:

Great.  Will PM you sometime this week. Have a great weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 19, 2019, 08:07:53 PM
Another great weekend of MIAA football. Adrian with the win (upset?) at home against Alma capped it off. We now have two teams at each of the following records 3-0, 2-1, 1-2, 0-3. I think the championship will be decided on Olivet's campus this year, as Hope and Olivet clash in a battle of undefeated teams next weekend. The winner will have a pretty clear path to the championship in my opinion.
The other contest to watch will be Adrian at Albion. If Adrian wins they'd still have an outside shot at a title if things break their way. I think Alma watched their title hopes disappear tonight, as they still have Olivet and Hope on their schedule.

One thing I can say with 100% certainty going into next weekend: Trine will win their first conference game of the season, probably by 30 points (or more).
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 19, 2019, 08:32:15 PM
I think you are right.  Although we all know that anything can happen in the MIAA.  Whoever wins the Olivet/Hope game next weekend will still have to be on their guard for avoiding any letdown (overconfidence) for their remaining games.  Anyway, I am looking forward to a great game next weekend and hopefully a big crowd and good weather-I just hope there is no rain.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 25, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
With the MIAA race kind of heating up (as usual, although perhaps a couple of teams not expected to be in it so far), this board is surprisingly quiet.  Predictions for tomorrow, my fellow MIAA posters? 

Here are mine:
Albion over Adrian (especially since it is at Albion, by 7-10 points)
Trine over Finlandia  (3-4 TDs+)
Alma over Kalamazoo  (by at least 2 TDs)
Hope over Olivet (even though it is at Olivet, which will be tough, by at least a TD)


Edited for including my predictions.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 25, 2019, 10:29:07 PM
Prediction:   Kalamazoo and Alma are going to regret kicking off at 4 pm.


Weather still saying just a 50% of showers at 4pm in Olivet, so they may get some luck and get a dry day.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 26, 2019, 12:50:20 AM
I agree with winners (unfortunately! I'd rather see OC win tomorrow obviously) but I think the score for Trine is off. Trine wins by at least 40, they are non-victorious because of scheduling as much as skill.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 26, 2019, 07:52:09 AM
Quote from: sac on October 25, 2019, 10:29:07 PM
Prediction:   Kalamazoo and Alma are going to regret kicking off at 4 pm.


Weather still saying just a 50% of showers at 4pm in Olivet, so they may get some luck and get a dry day.

The forecast this morning says rain starting around 1 p.m.  Crap!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 26, 2019, 07:45:21 PM
My very brief analysis (less is more) of the Hope-Olivet game.  Cold ... windy ... and then rainy.  The first half belonged to Hope (14-0) in the face of the tenacity of Olivet.  The Comets showed more than just tenacity in the  3rd quarter and maybe even outplayed the Flying Dutchmen but without scoring.  At the beginning of the 4th quarter Olivet got back in the game (14-7) and fans were hopeful.  Comet defense had some good stands giving the offense its opportunities, but alas, Hope had the edge athletically and punctuated the victory with a late 4th quarter score finishing at 21-7.  I have  observed the MIAA (or for that matter D3 football) long enough to know anything can happen, but the inside track to the  MIAA title and a spot in the playoffs seems to be in Hope's hands and I think Coach Stursma will keep the pressure on.  As I used to say in my former professionals, "Here endeth the lesson."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 26, 2019, 07:51:14 PM
Just returned from Olivet about an hour ago.  The rain held off until the start of the 3rd quarter, light drizzle, then continuous moderate rain for the remainder of the game, just enough to make it unpleasant for those sitting in the stands.  However, I don't think most of those in attendance for either team minded because the game was fairly close as I suspected.  Hope's offense was somewhat off today other than Ogle and some good runs by our RBs. However, as Coach Stuursma said after the game, it was truly a team win as both the defense and offense stepped up at different times in the game when the other was off.  I was surprised at the smaller size of Olivet's offense, much smaller than they have been in the past 10 years or so.  Yet, when down by 14, they battled back and nearly tied the game towards the end of the 4th when they had it down in the redzone, but a penalty and then a sac bashed that attempt.  Hope intercepted a pass at the end with the ball 1st and goal to goal, simply ran out the time rather than score since the game was decided (so no running up the score here! :)  I was disappointed in the attendance today as I thought it would be a full stadium since it was potentially the determining game for the championship.  Stands about 3/4 full, yet probably the weather reports and actual weather had much to do with that, but it did not have any effect on the game. Kicking game and special teams (except for a missed PAT) were exceptional today. A good turnout by Hope fans, though, as usual.  Olivet is not a bad team, they just didn't quite have it today.

Obviously, Hope is the determiner of its fate now as they should win out, however, with Adrian and Alma still left (and occasionally we've had some challenges down at Kalamazoo), certainly no let up can be in the picture at all.  If Hope wins out the remainder, it will make the season opening loss to Millikin all that more of a "stinger."  But...again, that doesn't matter as you have to win your conference to get the Automatic Bid.

Thoughts by others on the other games today?

P.S. Jameswys-sorry I missed you.  After visiting in the Press Box with your SID and announcers, I got tied up with our staff and after the game, everyone dispersed quickly due to the rain. 

P.S.S. DBQ1965-were you at the game today?

P.S.S.S. sac-for sure, I think they will slightly regretful in having the kickoff for 4 p.m.  Do you know what the reason was? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 26, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on October 26, 2019, 07:51:14 PM
Just returned from Olivet about an hour ago.  The rain held off until the start of the 3rd quarter, light drizzle, then continuous moderate rain for the remainder of the game, just enough to make it unpleasant for those sitting in the stands.  However, I don't think most of those in attendance for either team minded because the game was fairly close as I suspected.  Hope's offense was somewhat off today other than Ogle and some good runs by our RBs. However, as Coach Stuursma said after the game, it was truly a team win as both the defense and offense stepped up at different times in the game when the other was off.  I was surprised at the smaller size of Olivet's offense, much smaller than they have been in the past 10 years or so.  Yet, when down by 14, they battled back and nearly tied the game towards the end of the 4th when they had it down in the redzone, but a penalty and then a sac bashed that attempt.  Hope intercepted a pass at the end with the ball 1st and goal to goal, simply ran out the time rather than score since the game was decided (so no running up the score here! :)  I was disappointed in the attendance today as I thought it would be a full stadium since it was potentially the determining game for the championship.  Stands about 3/4 full, yet probably the weather reports and actual weather had much to do with that, but it did not have any effect on the game. Kicking game and special teams (except for a missed PAT) were exceptional today. A good turnout by Hope fans, though, as usual.  Olivet is not a bad team, they just didn't quite have it today.

Obviously, Hope is the determiner of its fate now as they should win out, however, with Adrian and Alma still left (and occasionally we've had some challenges down at Kalamazoo), certainly no let up can be in the picture at all.  If Hope wins out the remainder, it will make the season opening loss to Millikin all that more of a "stinger."  But...again, that doesn't matter as you have to win your conference to get the Automatic Bid.

Thoughts by others on the other games today?

P.S. Jameswys-sorry I missed you.  After visiting in the Press Box with your SID and announcers, I got tied up with our staff and after the game, everyone dispersed quickly due to the rain. 

P.S.S. DBQ1965-were you at the game today?

P.S.S.S. sac-for sure, I think they will slightly regretful in having the kickoff for 4 p.m.  Do you know what the reason was?

I was there.  I've had that date on my calendar since I first saw the MIAA schedule (was I prescient?).  Not even the weather forecast could keep me away
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 26, 2019, 11:24:25 PM
No worries I figured you got tied up. The weather was bad and the first quarter seemed like Olivet would lose by 30 but needed up keeping it close. For those that didn't see the game the final score was essentially 14-7. The final Hope touchdown came around of two minutes to go after Olivet turned it over in downs inside the 20. Olivet couldn't punt in that situation but if they had it would have been 14-7. Overall it was a great MIAA contest.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 26, 2019, 11:25:13 PM
Oh and let me be the first to congratulate the 2019 MIAA football champs, Hope College!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 27, 2019, 02:15:58 PM
Jameswys:

Agree with you on both counts.  It basically was a 14-7 game and really a great, classic MIAA contest.  BTW, thanks for the early congrats, although, as a former defensive player, I have always had this built in "cautiously optimistic" defensive attitude and cannot quite make my own declarations about that yet! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 28, 2019, 08:07:32 AM
Really early to be congratulating anyone IMHO.  Just ask Wisconsin about looking ahead (losing to the Illini).  We are 4 games into a 7 game league schedule - just past the halfway mark.  Focus, focus, focus...
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jameswys on October 28, 2019, 08:09:24 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 28, 2019, 08:07:32 AM
Really early to be congratulating anyone IMHO.  Just ask Wisconsin about looking ahead (losing to the Illini).  We are 4 games into a 7 game league schedule - just past the halfway mark.  Focus, focus, focus...

Yeah, I'd prefer that Hope skips the focus, and loses a few.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 28, 2019, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: Jameswys on October 28, 2019, 08:09:24 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 28, 2019, 08:07:32 AM
Really early to be congratulating anyone IMHO.  Just ask Wisconsin about looking ahead (losing to the Illini).  We are 4 games into a 7 game league schedule - just past the halfway mark.  Focus, focus, focus...

Yeah, I'd prefer that Hope skips the focus, and loses a few.

I'm sure you would and I would too if our situations were reversed. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on November 09, 2019, 10:42:45 PM
Can't say I expected Adrian to win, but am happy with the result. Great job Bulldogs. Looks like Kzoo hung in there with Hope the first half.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2019, 11:17:41 AM
Congrats to the Flying Dutchmen.  Its been coming.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2019, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2019, 11:17:41 AM
Congrats to the Flying Dutchmen.  Its been coming.

Yes, congrats to them. After two 8-2 seasons that were frustrating in not winning the title, they have worked hard to achieve that this year. I hope there is no letdown Saturday against Adrian as it would be great to go into the playoffs at 9-1 for obvious reasons. However, our team will have to play better in these next two games. 

An interesting tangent is that Aurora, who we beat, has the same scenario as Hope, in that they have won their conference and secured the Automatic Bid to the playoffs, but have to win this last game for the outright title.

Also, unfortunately, the great weather we had at Kalamazoo College last Saturday is long gone! It is projected to be very cold these next two weekends.🥶 Anyway, GO HOPE!🙂
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 17, 2019, 09:24:41 AM
Great finish to the regular season by the Flying Dutchmen. Now on to the postseason. D3Football's mock bracket has Hope hosting sister school Central in the first round, with the winner likely to next face Wheaton.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 04:40:39 PM
Yes, it was and it had been a long time coming, but in the making as can be seen in review of the last two seasons. Finishing 9-1 is great, although it also makes that first loss to Millikin a real "stinger.". However, now the real test comes regardless of who we are paired with in the first round. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: hope81 on November 17, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice to host.  Wartburg will be a tough test.  They are ranked 19th in the AFCA poll (Hope is unranked).  It appears they put up a lot of points.  Hopefully a great crowd will come out and support the Dutchmen!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:05:28 PM
Hope is chosen to host the playoff game as expected, however, it will be against Wartburg (IA) instead of our "sister" school Central (IA). This will still be a very tough game.  The preliminary weather report so far is similar to the nice sunny, calmer weather we had yesterday, only a little colder.

A week to prepare!  Can we get the MIAA past the first round, since Trine last did it? I think we have a very good chance! Congratulations to the Hope team, Coach Stuursma and his coaching staff!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: hope81 on November 17, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice to host.  Wartburg will be a tough test.  They are ranked 19th in the AFCA poll (Hope is unranked).  It appears they put up a lot of points.  Hopefully a great crowd will come out and support the Dutchmen!

Yes, I hope we will have much bigger crowds than we've had this season. I can't imagine why that shouldn't happen. I
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 17, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: hope81 on November 17, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice to host.  Wartburg will be a tough test.  They are ranked 19th in the AFCA poll (Hope is unranked).  It appears they put up a lot of points.  Hopefully a great crowd will come out and support the Dutchmen!

Yes, I hope we will have much bigger crowds than we've had this season. I can't imagine why that shouldn't happen. I

I expect to add to the attendance numbers, but will of course ... out of conference loyalty ... be sitting on the Wartburg ARC/IIAC side of the field.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 17, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: hope81 on November 17, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice to host.  Wartburg will be a tough test.  They are ranked 19th in the AFCA poll (Hope is unranked).  It appears they put up a lot of points.  Hopefully a great crowd will come out and support the Dutchmen!

Yes, I hope we will have much bigger crowds than we've had this season. I can't imagine why that shouldn't happen. I

I expect to add to the attendance numbers, but will of course ... out of conference loyalty ... be sitting on the Wartburg ARC/IIAC side of the field.

I forgive you DBQ1965! :)

P.S. We should really make it point to say hello this time! Pregame, halftime or after? Let me know.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 18, 2019, 10:34:14 AM
Saturday looks to be cold but sunny, about as good as you can expect for Holland in late November.

Speaking of good as you can hope for, Hope drawing Wartburg at home is about there. Avoiding a trip to Mount Union or Wheaton is nice. I'm not saying I expect them to beat Wartburg, but at least they can legitimately feel like they have a shot.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 18, 2019, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 17, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: hope81 on November 17, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice to host.  Wartburg will be a tough test.  They are ranked 19th in the AFCA poll (Hope is unranked).  It appears they put up a lot of points.  Hopefully a great crowd will come out and support the Dutchmen!

Yes, I hope we will have much bigger crowds than we've had this season. I can't imagine why that shouldn't happen. I

I expect to add to the attendance numbers, but will of course ... out of conference loyalty ... be sitting on the Wartburg ARC/IIAC side of the field.

I forgive you DBQ1965! :)

P.S. We should really make it point to say hello this time! Pregame, halftime or after? Let me know.

Hey ... I checked in with hazzben1 on the ARC page to see if he is coming over for the game.   Maybe some other D3football readers from the IIAC (I just have to use that once in a while) will be coming as well.   We'll see what can be set up for at least a quick face-to-face around the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 18, 2019, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:05:28 PM
Hope is chosen to host the playoff game as expected, however, it will be against Wartburg (IA) instead of our "sister" school Central (IA). This will still be a very tough game.  The preliminary weather report so far is similar to the nice sunny, calmer weather we had yesterday, only a little colder.

A week to prepare!  Can we get the MIAA past the first round, since Trine last did it? I think we have a very good chance! Congratulations to the Hope team, Coach Stuursma and his coaching staff!

Hats off to hope on the 9-1 season and the home playoff game! Based on the lack of respect given to the MIAA nationally it always is a big honor in my opinion to see one of our teams host. Hopefully they have better luck than the only home playoff game I was associated with (Adrian in 2012). If Hope wasnt so far away from everything Id have been tempted to make a trip up and catch the game this weekend. Have they hosted a playoff game before?

Im a virtual ghost here, but that said some thoughts on the 2019 season, the small bit I saw! I didn't see Adrian as much as Id have liked, compared to last year (no longer living 2 blocks from the college didnt help). But when I did I came away impressed with that they are able to do offensively with Wurzer at QB. Hes a pleasure to watch and despite having some deficiencies on that offense as a whole they are able to really spin some solid offense up with what they do have. Hopefully next year has a better record in store and a return to contention that we saw from 2011-15, as they have some good young skill players and Wurzer back for a 3rd season as a starter.

Before I forget, another hats off as well, to Head Coach Dustin Beurer at Albion. 8-2 in his first year at the helm while taking over in the shadows of Rundles successes. A great season to put his own mark on the team and program. I was able to take in a couple of his games this year and was impressed with what I saw and Id bet dollars to donuts hes going to do big things there.  It was an interesting story in the final week of the season with the Albion vs Olivet match-up, both Coach Beurer and Coach Musielewicz are former teammates for the Briton-Deerfield football program. Pretty cool to see both of them make it to head coaching positions from those humble beginnings!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 21, 2019, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 17, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: hope81 on November 17, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice to host.  Wartburg will be a tough test.  They are ranked 19th in the AFCA poll (Hope is unranked).  It appears they put up a lot of points.  Hopefully a great crowd will come out and support the Dutchmen!

Yes, I hope we will have much bigger crowds than we've had this season. I can't imagine why that shouldn't happen. I

I expect to add to the attendance numbers, but will of course ... out of conference loyalty ... be sitting on the Wartburg ARC/IIAC side of the field.

I forgive you DBQ1965! :)

P.S. We should really make it point to say hello this time! Pregame, halftime or after? Let me know.

I sent you a private message.  Let me know if nothing turns up.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 21, 2019, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 21, 2019, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 17, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: hope81 on November 17, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice to host.  Wartburg will be a tough test.  They are ranked 19th in the AFCA poll (Hope is unranked).  It appears they put up a lot of points.  Hopefully a great crowd will come out and support the Dutchmen!

Yes, I hope we will have much bigger crowds than we've had this season. I can't imagine why that shouldn't happen. I

I expect to add to the attendance numbers, but will of course ... out of conference loyalty ... be sitting on the Wartburg ARC/IIAC side of the field.

I forgive you DBQ1965! :)

P.S. We should really make it point to say hello this time! Pregame, halftime or after? Let me know.

I sent you a private message.  Let me know if nothing turns up.

DBQ,

Got your PM and I sent you a reply, so check your PMs and let me know. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on November 22, 2019, 08:49:44 AM

formerd3db

Hey Doc

Good luck to your Flying Dutchmen tomorrow. Keep it going!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 22, 2019, 09:56:23 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 21, 2019, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 21, 2019, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 17, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 17, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: hope81 on November 17, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice to host.  Wartburg will be a tough test.  They are ranked 19th in the AFCA poll (Hope is unranked).  It appears they put up a lot of points.  Hopefully a great crowd will come out and support the Dutchmen!

Yes, I hope we will have much bigger crowds than we've had this season. I can't imagine why that shouldn't happen. I

I expect to add to the attendance numbers, but will of course ... out of conference loyalty ... be sitting on the Wartburg ARC/IIAC side of the field.

I forgive you DBQ1965! :)

P.S. We should really make it point to say hello this time! Pregame, halftime or after? Let me know.

I sent you a private message.  Let me know if nothing turns up.

DBQ,

Got your PM and I sent you a reply, so check your PMs and let me know. Thanks.

Got it ... and thanks.  I will track you down after the game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ice Bear on November 22, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Ice Bear says the orange Hope uni's are ****ing awesome! Those along with the anchor...some of the best uni's in D3! Best of luck on Saturday!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2019, 08:11:34 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on November 22, 2019, 08:49:44 AM

formerd3db

Hey Doc

Good luck to your Flying Dutchmen tomorrow. Keep it going!  ;D

Thanks MUC!  I think it will be a tough game and hopefully we can pull it off. And good luck to your Raiders, although they won't need it likely! I hope you are doing better re: your eyes. Will talk to you again soon.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 22, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Ice Bear says the orange Hope uni's are ****ing awesome! Those along with the anchor...some of the best uni's in D3! Best of luck on Saturday!

The uniforms do look good and they have also used some interesting variations for the games depending on the opponent and site (away vs. home.) However, not everyone likes the orange unis or the anchor, especially some of the traditionalists!🙂

Anyway, thanks for the shout out and  good luck wishes for tomorrow's game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 23, 2019, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on November 22, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 22, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Ice Bear says the orange Hope uni's are ****ing awesome! Those along with the anchor...some of the best uni's in D3! Best of luck on Saturday!

The uniforms do look good and they have also used some interesting variations for the games depending on the opponent and site (away vs. home.) However, not everyone likes the orange unis or the anchor, especially some of the traditionalists!🙂

Anyway, thanks for the shout out and  good luck wishes for tomorrow's game.

Between the Dutch and the Knights, it could look like an orange crush day today.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 23, 2019, 04:37:28 PM
formerd3db ... it was good to catch up with you after the game today.   Hope played as well as the Wartburg defense allowed them to play.  The  Knights have the advantage of having been to the playoffs before.  Hope's time will come as long as Coach Stursma is at the helm.  Have a great Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 23, 2019, 06:23:59 PM
DBQ:
Likewise, it was great to visit with you. I agree with all you say. Like you, I was impressed with Wartburg.  Their speed and experience was too notch today. I had thought we would have a chance at beating them, however, that false start penalty that caused us to settle for the FG rather than a TD essentially set the tone for the test of the game. Anyway, it was a great season fir us. Wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving as well. We'll keep in touch here on the boards.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 27, 2019, 09:37:16 PM
To all the MIAA posters, Have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving! :)

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 02, 2019, 03:25:18 PM
The last team to beat Mt. Union prior to the semi-finals in the NCAA tournament was Albion in 1994.

That was kind of before Mt. Union was MOUNT UNION
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 04, 2019, 02:21:23 PM
sac:  I was at that game.  It was a good one, but the weather very cold.

Congratulations to Hope's Zach Smith for being named 1st team All-American in the AFCA All-American team! 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 15, 2019, 03:26:15 PM
Time Out here:

Very disappointing that Ferris State self imploded yesterday in their semifinal DII playoff game. Blew their chance at returning to the DII National Championship game to try and make up for their loss in the title game last year. Tough situation for Coach Anneze his staff and players and all the fans. I am not sure how I would feel in that situation-not sure which loss would feel worse-last year's or this one?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on December 21, 2019, 02:09:07 PM

formerd3db

Check your PM please.  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 21, 2019, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on December 21, 2019, 02:09:07 PM

formerd3db

Check your PM please.  ::)

Got it! Thanks! You can now check your PM as well!🙂
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 23, 2019, 11:43:08 AM
To all MIAA posters, Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 23, 2019, 03:00:18 PM
Thanks Raider68.  I second that to all our MIAA posters here.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 08, 2020, 11:38:35 PM
OC_SID:

Check your PMs.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 25, 2020, 04:11:25 PM
Not a good sign...the University of Michigan president announced that IF they decide on not having on-campus students this fall, there will be NO football. I'd that happens, I believe that will be the death bell ring for MIAA, DII and NAIA football in Michigan this year as well. No time frame for decision was given, however, they'll have to decide by July I believe.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on May 25, 2020, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 25, 2020, 04:11:25 PM
Not a good sign...the University of Michigan president announced that IF they decide on not having on-campus students this fall, there will be NO football. I'd that happens, I believe that will be the death bell ring for MIAA, DII and NAIA football in Michigan this year as well. No time frame for decision was given, however, they'll have to decide by July I believe.

This makes sense - "putting the horse before the cart". The question is, good doctor, where does having the students back "on campus" but taking a large amount of classes online put sports?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 25, 2020, 11:21:54 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on May 25, 2020, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 25, 2020, 04:11:25 PM
Not a good sign...the University of Michigan president announced that IF they decide on not having on-campus students this fall, there will be NO football. I'd that happens, I believe that will be the death bell ring for MIAA, DII and NAIA football in Michigan this year as well. No time frame for decision was given, however, they'll have to decide by July I believe.

This makes sense - "putting the horse before the cart". The question is, good doctor, where does having the students back "on campus" but taking a large amount of classes online put sports?

I think I recall reading that sports couldn't be played if students are not on campus, because having only athletes on campus would be treating them differently and violate amateurism rules.  But IF students in general are on campus, I can't see why how the classes are held (in person on online) would be relevant.  (Of course, if classes are ONLY online, why crowd students on to campus?  But apparently some schools are planning 'hybrid' learning - much online, but also once a week or so in person.)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 26, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
RFMichigan and Mr. Ypsi:

Good questions and responses, respectively. See my reply to yours and other comments by some of our colleagues over on the OAC board.

Hope you both had an enjoyable Memorial Day weekend, as much as any of us could do under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutchman56 on June 30, 2020, 10:48:08 PM
A couple of questions I thought of randomly and thought I'd ask😃

1.  Does the MIAA still sponsor JV football?

2.  Do other conferences in D3 have JV football currently or did they but no longer, or never had?

Stay healthy everyone!😃
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 01, 2020, 12:58:26 AM
The MIAA is going to play mostly conference games for Fall sports.

https://www.miaa.org/miaaheadlines/MIAA_Preparing_For_Fall_Competition?fbclid=IwAR2ehHdGhTVs47rarg6AJEkYYCmNgsKOX-qfiznAhh9RjQTDRPZ0GYLPGEw


This would seem to cancel the first two weeks of non-conference football games.  For Hope that's a trip to Anderson and a home date with Monmouth.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on July 01, 2020, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: sac on July 01, 2020, 12:58:26 AM
The MIAA is going to play mostly conference games for Fall sports.

https://www.miaa.org/miaaheadlines/MIAA_Preparing_For_Fall_Competition?fbclid=IwAR2ehHdGhTVs47rarg6AJEkYYCmNgsKOX-qfiznAhh9RjQTDRPZ0GYLPGEw


This would seem to cancel the first two weeks of non-conference football games.  For Hope that's a trip to Anderson and a home date with Monmouth.

Wouldn't the MIAA-NACC Challenge games scheduled for the third week of non-conference games also be cancelled?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 01, 2020, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: RFMichigan on July 01, 2020, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: sac on July 01, 2020, 12:58:26 AM
The MIAA is going to play mostly conference games for Fall sports.

https://www.miaa.org/miaaheadlines/MIAA_Preparing_For_Fall_Competition?fbclid=IwAR2ehHdGhTVs47rarg6AJEkYYCmNgsKOX-qfiznAhh9RjQTDRPZ0GYLPGEw


This would seem to cancel the first two weeks of non-conference football games.  For Hope that's a trip to Anderson and a home date with Monmouth.

Wouldn't the MIAA-NACC Challenge games scheduled for the third week of non-conference games also be cancelled?

I haven't seen anything specific, but I'm kind of going under the assumption non-conference football games aren't going to happen.  The Sept 19 start date is probably going to cancel the first two weeks of the season.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: sac on July 01, 2020, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: RFMichigan on July 01, 2020, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: sac on July 01, 2020, 12:58:26 AM
The MIAA is going to play mostly conference games for Fall sports.

https://www.miaa.org/miaaheadlines/MIAA_Preparing_For_Fall_Competition?fbclid=IwAR2ehHdGhTVs47rarg6AJEkYYCmNgsKOX-qfiznAhh9RjQTDRPZ0GYLPGEw


This would seem to cancel the first two weeks of non-conference football games.  For Hope that's a trip to Anderson and a home date with Monmouth.

Wouldn't the MIAA-NACC Challenge games scheduled for the third week of non-conference games also be cancelled?

I haven't seen anything specific, but I'm kind of going under the assumption non-conference football games aren't going to happen.  The Sept 19 start date is probably going to cancel the first two weeks of the season.

At the very least, the first games because the tentative plan for coronaviris safety protocols in return to full team practices encompasses a five week period. As per the league's announcement after last week's President's Council meeting with the Commissioner and HCs, likely all non-conference games will be canceled. However, there has not been any official announcement from the individual colleges as yet regarding
"definitive" cancelation of those games and I know (from my sources🤫) that at least one of the schools was pushing hard for keeping their full 10 game regular season. 

As you can ascertain from the announcement, each school is working on their own specific policy within the overall general recommended safety and healrh/medical guidelines, and that might possibly provide the "out window" for a school to do what they want with regard o playing more games than the others provided, of course, the PC and Commissioner would allow that choice. Personally, I don't see that happening from what I know,. However, in reality, who knows?  This is an era when anything can happen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 07, 2020, 01:46:03 PM
MIAA released fall sports schedules yesterday.  Here is the link to the FB schedule.  Essentially everyone is playing 9 games, all against MIAA opponents with 2 "don't count in the league standings " games to start.  Looks like they took the conference schedule, and added a second meeting to start the season with the last 2 teams in the conference "do count" games.  For example, Hope plays Albion and Trine the last 2 weeks, so they get to play them both the first two weeks.  Home & away kind of thing.  Only Kazoo & Finlandia are skipping their first "doesn't count" matchup and playing 8 total games. 

https://www.miaa.org/general/2019-20/releases/2020_FB_Schedule_Approved.pdf
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 07, 2020, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 07, 2020, 01:46:03 PM
MIAA released fall sports schedules yesterday.  Here is the link to the FB schedule.  Essentially everyone is playing 9 games, all against MIAA opponents with 2 "don't count in the league standings " games to start.  Looks like they took the conference schedule, and added a second meeting to start the season with the last 2 teams in the conference "do count" games.  For example, Hope plays Albion and Trine the last 2 weeks, so they get to play them both the first two weeks.  Home & away kind of thing.  Only Kazoo & Finlandia are skipping their first "doesn't count" matchup and playing 8 total games. 

https://www.miaa.org/general/2019-20/releases/2020_FB_Schedule_Approved.pdf

This was posted later yesterday over on the CCIW board. We knew the announcement was expected early this week after the league Council meeting was held a grw days ago. There were/are some additional "reasons" for this format being decided on i.e. aside from the usual ones concerning the longer distance/out of state non-conference games being canceled. Regardimg the latter, this is not surprising since some of the conferences are canceling the non-conference games and I suspect that most of them will do that.

BTW, there are reports, which you probably have been aware of as well, that the Ivy League will postpone football and have that season in the spring next year. While that might work for the Ivy League (which they apparently think it can), I don't believe that would be feasible for the MIAA or most DIII schools even if they wanted to seriously consider it.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 08, 2020, 06:36:16 PM
MIAA released its football schedules this afternoon.   First two weeks are games vs conference opponents but will not count for league standings, essentially "non-conference games".  Everyone will play two teams twice except Kalamazoo and Finlandia who will play only once.

https://www.miaa.org/general/2019-20/releases/2020_FB_Schedule_Approved.pdf


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 22, 2020, 08:20:02 PM
As many of our colleague DIII conferences are now canceling the fall season, does anyone want to venture a guess as to how long will it be before our league does the same? I will be extremely surprised if our MIAA chooses to continue on as much as I desire to see football played this fall. I am now bevoming perplexed i.e. uncertain.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 23, 2020, 08:32:54 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 22, 2020, 08:20:02 PM
As many of our colleague DIII conferences are now canceling the fall season, does anyone want to venture a guess as to how long will it be before our league does the same? I will be extremely surprised if our MIAA chooses to continue on as much as I desire to see football played this fall. I am now bevoming perplexed i.e. uncertain.

I am resigned to the inevitability there will be little if any D3 football this Fall.  I  was looking to watching the Central College Dutch make their foray into the MIAA.  Oh well ... wait 'til next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 24, 2020, 04:36:45 PM
Once the NCAA announces the cancellation or postponement of Fall Championships there really will be no reason to continue with Fall athletics.

I hope it isn't about collecting tuition, but its about collecting tuition, ya know. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2020, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: sac on July 24, 2020, 04:36:45 PM
Once the NCAA announces the cancellation or postponement of Fall Championships there really will be no reason to continue with Fall athletics.

I hope it isn't about collecting tuition, but its about collecting tuition, ya know. :-\

At some schools it surely is.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2020, 05:15:12 PM
Actually, sac, not necessarily true, IMO. The system would simply return to what it was before the unveiling of the Div III playoffs and particularly for the MIAA since the latter was not allowed to participate in any post season games before 1977 (specifically from 1960-1977). Even then, for all of DIII there were only 8 teams allowed in the playoffs, so most schools in the division did not even have a realistic chance at that.

However, since times have changed and the younger generation (your generation🙂) is used to the current playoff situation (and likley, many don't even know it being any different), I get your point and certainly, many will feel the same way. However, despite not having any playoffs, if the conferences were willing to have a limited season like many were tentatively planning (although now have decided against doing), it could be done and acceptable. Uh...that is to a degree and not taking into consideration any of the overtime efforts and the health issues debate, all of which would be required from so many various people who are involved in and absolutely necessary in running the entire programs.

Anyway, I said a couple of weeks ago (and thinking that even before) that I had the feeling this was going to happen. Just waiting now for hearing the announcement by the MIAA that they will "pull the plug" on the season. Since the NCAC and OAC have done it, not to mention all the other midwest schools that have done it, I can't imagine that our league will not be doing the same.

Edited for typos.🙂
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 24, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
Another not unexpected event- Michigan State entire football team to be quarantined for 14 days due to positive coronavirus tests in a couple of players. Will this be the repetative pattern during the season if the FBS season goes forward?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 24, 2020, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 24, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
Another not unexpected event- Michigan State entire football team to be quarantined for 14 days due to positive coronavirus tests in a couple of players. Will this be the repetative pattern during the season if the FBS season goes forward?

Surely it will be given the number of schools that have had to "pause" without the general student populations even being on campus yet.  As we saw around East Lansing with Harper's it doesn't take much to create a huge problem and every college campus has a dozen or more "Harpers" around.

In the end, this all feels like a fools errand.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 27, 2020, 01:00:02 PM
Unfortunately, tick, tick, tick....anyone want to venture a guess as to the hour, day this week that our MIAA will "pull the plug" on the fall sports season as have most of the other DIII conferences?☹️
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 29, 2020, 11:07:48 PM
WOTS is the MIAA is going to make an announcement Thursday afternoon.  I don't know the exact details, but I think you can infer you don't make an announcement that you're going to continue doing what you were planning on doing.

Just a refresher the MIAA was going to play an all conference-only schedule for all fall sports.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: almcguirejr on July 29, 2020, 11:26:19 PM
Quote from: sac on July 29, 2020, 11:07:48 PM
WOTS is the MIAA is going to make an announcement Thursday afternoon.  I don't know the exact details, but I think you can infer you don't make an announcement that you're going to continue doing what you were planning on doing.

Just a refresher the MIAA was going to play an all conference-only schedule for all fall sports.

Jack Doles, WOODTV, is reporting that the MIAA will announce the cancellation of the fall football season July 30.  There is a chance they will be allowed to play 5 games in the spring.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on July 29, 2020, 11:33:54 PM
Quote from: almcguirejr on July 29, 2020, 11:26:19 PM
Quote from: sac on July 29, 2020, 11:07:48 PM
WOTS is the MIAA is going to make an announcement Thursday afternoon.  I don't know the exact details, but I think you can infer you don't make an announcement that you're going to continue doing what you were planning on doing.

Just a refresher the MIAA was going to play an all conference-only schedule for all fall sports.

Jack Doles, WOODTV, is reporting that the MIAA will announce the cancellation of the fall football season July 30.  There is a chance they will be allowed to play 5 games in the spring.

5 games would keep them under the line for losing a years eligibility.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 30, 2020, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: sac on July 29, 2020, 11:33:54 PM
Quote from: almcguirejr on July 29, 2020, 11:26:19 PM
Quote from: sac on July 29, 2020, 11:07:48 PM
WOTS is the MIAA is going to make an announcement Thursday afternoon.  I don't know the exact details, but I think you can infer you don't make an announcement that you're going to continue doing what you were planning on doing.

Just a refresher the MIAA was going to play an all conference-only schedule for all fall sports.

Jack Doles, WOODTV, is reporting that the MIAA will announce the cancellation of the fall football season July 30.  There is a chance they will be allowed to play 5 games in the spring.

5 games would keep them under the line for losing a years eligibility.

The decision has been made for a few days. Not sure why they have waited until now to make it, however, that seems to be the modus operendi of our league.

A five game spring schedule is doable from a time and number standpoint. However, as has been discussed on the other boards, I am not sure how feasable this really is for having most of the fall sports in the spring as nit every MIAA school has separate football and soccer/lacrosse stadiums/fields. Add to that the added work load hours and stress on the athletic training staffs (which are now usually less than a handful), such will be a more than challenging undertaking. Can it work? Yes. Is it really realistic ir worth it?  I am not so sure.


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 30, 2020, 05:01:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on July 30, 2020, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: sac on July 29, 2020, 11:33:54 PM
Quote from: almcguirejr on July 29, 2020, 11:26:19 PM
Quote from: sac on July 29, 2020, 11:07:48 PM
WOTS is the MIAA is going to make an announcement Thursday afternoon.  I don't know the exact details, but I think you can infer you don't make an announcement that you're going to continue doing what you were planning on doing.

Just a refresher the MIAA was going to play an all conference-only schedule for all fall sports.

Jack Doles, WOODTV, is reporting that the MIAA will announce the cancellation of the fall football season July 30.  There is a chance they will be allowed to play 5 games in the spring.

5 games would keep them under the line for losing a years eligibility.

The decision has been made for a few days. Not sure why they have waited until now to make it, however, that seems to be the modus operendi of our league.

A five game spring schedule is doable from a time and number standpoint. However, as has been discussed on the other boards, I am not sure how feasable this really is for having most of the fall sports in the spring as nit every MIAA school has separate football and soccer/lacrosse stadiums/fields. Add to that the added work load hours and stress on the athletic training staffs (which are now usually less than a handful), such will be a more than challenging undertaking. Can it work? Yes. Is it really realistic ir worth it?  I am not so sure.

"Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association (MIAA) Presidents' Council has voted to postpone conference competition and conference tournaments for cross country, football, men's and women's golf, men's and women's soccer, and volleyball. The Conference will develop schedules for these sports to take place later in the academic year. The MIAA is committed to offering engaging athletic experiences for student-athletes in these sports with extensive team activities this fall to include practice, skill development, strength & conditioning, leadership, and professional development opportunities.

Adrian College, Calvin University, and Trine University are exploring options to compete in all fall sports that they normally sponsor. Olivet College will explore options for competing in cross country, golf, and tennis this fall. All MIAA member institutions will continue to follow the NCAA recommendations outlined in the Resocialization to Sport – Developing Standards for Competition and Sport document for preseason resocialization to campus, practice, and competition this fall."

Looks like Adrian will play Trine in football this fall.  Maybe a home and home 2 game season?  Oh boy!!  Maybe Calvin can quickly put together a football progam to join in the fun ::).  In volleyball Adrian, Calvin and Trine will make up the conference this fall, maybe get some actual matches in until competing in a modified MIAA schedule in the spring. 

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on July 30, 2020, 05:11:58 PM
"Looks like Adrian will play Trine in football this fall.  Maybe a home and home 2 game season?  Oh boy!!  Maybe Calvin can quickly put together a football progam to join in the fun ::).  In volleyball Adrian, Calvin and Trine will make up the conference this fall, maybe get some actual matches in until competing in a modified MIAA schedule in the spring."

...in re-reading some more info from Trine and Calvin athletics pages they will pursue modified NON CONFERENCE options for play this fall.  No Adrian-Trine football game until the spring  So if the HCAC is still planning on fall sports maybe they can pick up some football and volleyball games with those institutions. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on July 30, 2020, 05:19:08 PM
I'm genuinely curious about who they're going to play.  The rest of the North Region has suspended athletics for the fall.  The regional NAIA conference appears to still be going, but they have a limited schedule (9 games) and they've reworked that in a way that all of the MSFA teams have other MSFA teams to play.  Are Adrian and Trine going to travel to Iowa or Minnesota or to the Northeast to play games?  What options am I missing? 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 30, 2020, 05:29:05 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on July 30, 2020, 05:11:58 PM
"Looks like Adrian will play Trine in football this fall.  Maybe a home and home 2 game season?  Oh boy!!  Maybe Calvin can quickly put together a football progam to join in the fun ::).  In volleyball Adrian, Calvin and Trine will make up the conference this fall, maybe get some actual matches in until competing in a modified MIAA schedule in the spring."

...in re-reading some more info from Trine and Calvin athletics pages they will pursue modified NON CONFERENCE options for play this fall.  No Adrian-Trine football game until the spring  So if the HCAC is still planning on fall sports maybe they can pick up some football and volleyball games with those institutions.

Adrian and Trine could certainly still play each other -- it just wouldn't be considered a conference game.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 30, 2020, 07:00:31 PM
Trine and Adrian were the two schools in the league who wanted football this fall rehardless if other conferences were going to opt out and Trine was pushing hard for the full 10 game season even before the announcement of the conference only shortened season. I am not sure why both are considering not being in unity with the conference, at least with regard to football. I can see having cross country and golf in the fall if schools desire as that is much more doable on view of the circumstances.

There will be (at least at Hope) fall practices going on via the so-called "non-tradritonal" seasons for baseball and lacrosse and very likely this will be done for football as well (and the other sports), of course in line with allowed NCAA guidelines for spring practice rules) and the safety guidelines for the current coronavirus situation. One potential positive in all of this for Hope (and any other schools who do this option woth the exception of Trine and Adrian if they go thru with playing actual fall football games) if we consider all uninitended consequences of the crisis is that the training staff(s) will not be working every weekend for the first time in years. IMO, the potential split faction re:Trine and Adrian makes this all this even more strange.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on July 31, 2020, 06:17:16 PM
sac:

I guess, in a sense (or perhaps more than one) you were right, this was a fool's errand. It may be even moreso if the two mutineers go thru with it (and that, too, in more ways than one.)🙄🙂
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2020, 02:23:12 PM
Mutineers -- wow. Harsh! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 01, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2020, 02:23:12 PM
Mutineers -- wow. Harsh! :)

Yeah, probably, Pat! My attempt at levity (poor). 🙂 Although, I was also relating somewhat today past history, as you know, since a couple of member schools have been reprimanded for not confirming to conference unity. One way before even my time, that of Hillsdale being kicked out of the league back in 1960 for playing in post season bowl games!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 03, 2020, 01:56:44 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 01, 2020, 04:42:35 PM

Yeah, probably, Pat! My attempt at levity (poor). 🙂 Although, I was also relating somewhat today past history, as you know, since a couple of member schools have been reprimanded for not confirming to conference unity. One way before even my time, that of Hillsdale being kicked out of the league back in 1960 for playing in post season bowl games!

Wow I had to look it up to because I've never heard that story. https://i.imgur.com/yMKCZr8.jpg

Next question is: Hillsdale was called the Dales?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 04, 2020, 11:06:12 PM
Yes they were the Dales until 1968.

http://hillsdalecollegian.com/2013/10/hillsdale-did-not-always-charge-on/


Hillsdale's last MIAA football season was 1960, other than playing Olivet three times in 68, 69 and 75 neither the Dales or Chargers have played any other MIAA program in football since.  I don't think they've met much in any other sport either, and I do wonder if Hillsdale is considered sort of "off limits" for MIAA athletic directors.

Anyway, Hillsdale is full of characters and good stories.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 12, 2020, 06:45:51 PM
Trine University conducted their 1st round of Covid19 tests to their student athletes this week as the university started the fall semester on Monday.  Out of 1,142 student athletes tested, 9 results were positive, all individuals were asymptomatic, positivity rate of 0.8%.  All fall sports teams are practicing to some extent, obviously practices look much different, keeping groups small.  I listened to a Trine Broadcasting Network interview of AD Matt Land today.  With the MIAA moving fall conference competiton to the spring, the Trine fall seasons will look much different.  He said in football they might be able to play 2, 3, or 4 games, no fans other than possibly family.  Still lots of unknowns of course.     
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jamtod on August 12, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 12, 2020, 06:45:51 PM
Trine University conducted their 1st round of Covid19 tests to their student athletes this week as the university started the fall semester on Monday.  Out of 1,142 student athletes tested, 9 results were positive, all individuals were asymptomatic, positivity rate of 0.8%.  All fall sports teams are practicing to some extent, obviously practices look much different, keeping groups small.  I listened to a Trine Broadcasting Network interview of AD Matt Land today.  With the MIAA moving fall conference competiton to the spring, the Trine fall seasons will look much different.  He said in football they might be able to play 2, 3, or 4 games, no fans other than possibly family.  Still lots of unknowns of course.     
At that point, how do you justify the cost? Assuming you aren't bubbling these student athletes, this testing won't be a one-time thing.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 12, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
Quote from: jamtod on August 12, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 12, 2020, 06:45:51 PM
Trine University conducted their 1st round of Covid19 tests to their student athletes this week as the university started the fall semester on Monday.  Out of 1,142 student athletes tested, 9 results were positive, all individuals were asymptomatic, positivity rate of 0.8%.  All fall sports teams are practicing to some extent, obviously practices look much different, keeping groups small.  I listened to a Trine Broadcasting Network interview of AD Matt Land today.  With the MIAA moving fall conference competiton to the spring, the Trine fall seasons will look much different.  He said in football they might be able to play 2, 3, or 4 games, no fans other than possibly family.  Still lots of unknowns of course.     
At that point, how do you justify the cost? Assuming you aren't bubbling these student athletes, this testing won't be a one-time thing.
Matt didn't bring up the cost aspect in the interview.  Obviously testing is not a one time thing but ongoing.  If it was going to be cost prohibitive I don't think Trine would be wanting to do fall sports, maybe alums with deep pockets are donating towards covid costs.  I do know enrollment is up again, it is a yearly thing for Trine.  Especially when a lot of colleges and universities Trine's size are seeing between 5 and 25 percent decrease in enrollment. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 12, 2020, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 12, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
Quote from: jamtod on August 12, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 12, 2020, 06:45:51 PM
Trine University conducted their 1st round of Covid19 tests to their student athletes this week as the university started the fall semester on Monday.  Out of 1,142 student athletes tested, 9 results were positive, all individuals were asymptomatic, positivity rate of 0.8%.  All fall sports teams are practicing to some extent, obviously practices look much different, keeping groups small.  I listened to a Trine Broadcasting Network interview of AD Matt Land today.  With the MIAA moving fall conference competiton to the spring, the Trine fall seasons will look much different.  He said in football they might be able to play 2, 3, or 4 games, no fans other than possibly family.  Still lots of unknowns of course.     
At that point, how do you justify the cost? Assuming you aren't bubbling these student athletes, this testing won't be a one-time thing.
Matt didn't bring up the cost aspect in the interview.  Obviously testing is not a one time thing but ongoing.  If it was going to be cost prohibitive I don't think Trine would be wanting to do fall sports, maybe alums with deep pockets are donating towards covid costs.  I do know enrollment is up again, it is a yearly thing for Trine.  Especially when a lot of colleges and universities Trine's size are seeing between 5 and 25 percent decrease in enrollment.

So are they quarantining these athletes who tested positive as well as the rest of the team and coaching staff? Regardless of how small the numbers of positive tests are, that is a concern. I can't imagine they do not have some sort of contingency plan for that, it was part of the discussions in the confernce meetings this summer for all the schools. But then again, I perhaps your school is simply blazing on their own, which wouldn't surprise me since they (and Adrian) decided to not be unified wirh the conference. Also, am surprised that AD Land would not address the costs of testing regardless of who is financing it-should be shared with the public at some point. Perhaps he will do so in the near future.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 13, 2020, 06:59:07 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on August 12, 2020, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 12, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
Quote from: jamtod on August 12, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 12, 2020, 06:45:51 PM
Trine University conducted their 1st round of Covid19 tests to their student athletes this week as the university started the fall semester on Monday.  Out of 1,142 student athletes tested, 9 results were positive, all individuals were asymptomatic, positivity rate of 0.8%.  All fall sports teams are practicing to some extent, obviously practices look much different, keeping groups small.  I listened to a Trine Broadcasting Network interview of AD Matt Land today.  With the MIAA moving fall conference competiton to the spring, the Trine fall seasons will look much different.  He said in football they might be able to play 2, 3, or 4 games, no fans other than possibly family.  Still lots of unknowns of course.     
At that point, how do you justify the cost? Assuming you aren't bubbling these student athletes, this testing won't be a one-time thing.
Matt didn't bring up the cost aspect in the interview.  Obviously testing is not a one time thing but ongoing.  If it was going to be cost prohibitive I don't think Trine would be wanting to do fall sports, maybe alums with deep pockets are donating towards covid costs.  I do know enrollment is up again, it is a yearly thing for Trine.  Especially when a lot of colleges and universities Trine's size are seeing between 5 and 25 percent decrease in enrollment.

So are they quarantining these athletes who tested positive as well as the rest of the team and coaching staff? Regardless of how small the numbers of positive tests are, that is a concern. I can't imagine they do not have some sort of contingency plan for that, it was part of the discussions in the confernce meetings this summer for all the schools. But then again, I perhaps your school is simply blazing on their own, which wouldn't surprise me since they (and Adrian) decided to not be unified wirh the conference. Also, am surprised that AD Land would not address the costs of testing regardless of who is financing it-should be shared with the public at some point. Perhaps he will do so in the near future.
Trine is closely following NCAA guidelines in tandem with community health partners and government health officials.  Protocols are in place which includes quarantining the affected student athletes.  The costs of covid19 safety is huge for all colleges and universities.  I remember seeing a breakdown of the costs at Trine a long time ago but can't remember where I read it.  AD Land did not address this aspect in the TBN interview as it was not a question brought up by the moderator, that is not to say Land is keeping everything secretive, it just wasn't a question that was asked.  Those figures are publicly available pretty much at every institution if you do some research in .edu websites. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 13, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
As part of our current podcast, we talk with Adrian coach Jim Deere about the players his program has on campus and what they intend to do this fall:
https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2020/08/13/atn-podcast-277-the-teams-left-standing/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2020, 08:46:59 PM
I wasn't implying that Land was keeping anything secretive. Obviously, not hearing the interview of the TBN you mention, I was just somewhat surprised that he didn't mention it as it is a part of the overall process regardless if the moderator didn't ask the question. I am aware such is public information and available for those who want to check it out. I know the numbers that were calculated for Hope and it is, indeed, tremendously expensive as you mention.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2020, 08:51:32 PM
Pat, I have not had the opportunity to listen to your podcast as yet, however, will look forward to doing so in the next day or so and what Deere has to say (which is also, by way of AD Duffy as well, of course.) Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on August 15, 2020, 10:56:07 AM

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Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 26, 2020, 05:26:31 PM
Trine football opens at NAIA Indiana Weleyan on Sept 18 in Marion, IN.  Not sure if it will be a "real" game or just a controlled scimmage.  Trine also plays home to NAIA Judson on Sept 26 and at Adrian on Oct 3.  I don't forsee them scheduling any more than these 3 games in the fall, but then again everything is very fluid in the world of sports these days.   
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: waxx on August 26, 2020, 11:55:37 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 26, 2020, 05:26:31 PM
Trine football opens at NAIA Indiana Weleyan on Sept 18 in Marion, IN.  Not sure if it will be a "real" game or just a controlled scimmage.  Trine also plays home to NAIA Judson on Sept 26 and at Adrian on Oct 3.  I don't forsee them scheduling any more than these 3 games in the fall, but then again everything is very fluid in the world of sports these days.

If I remember correctly, Adrian Coach Jim Deere mentioned playing Trine twice during the d3football podcast.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: footballfan43 on August 29, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
Has anyone heard of any positive cases amongst the MIAA this fall with Covid19?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 29, 2020, 05:05:29 PM
Albion has a web page https://www.albion.edu/together-safely/health-and-wellness/testing-updates

Albion's student restrictions and tracking are much tougher than anyone else's I think.



Older info but Hope had 38 positives during move-in, I think I just saw they had zero new cases this last week.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on August 29, 2020, 05:35:01 PM
sac,
Sorry to report (from my anonymous sources, of course) that, unfortunately, is not the case regarding last week/this week, including some athletes. That is all I can share at this time. I also think you will find that Hope's restictions and tracking are just as stringent/detailed.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2020, 01:15:02 AM
Congratulations to recent Alma College graduate  Mason Ippel'20 who was awarded the 2019-20 MIAA Annual Tom Renner Student Sports Information Award! A nice article on Ippel relating this recognition can be seen on the Alma College athletic website. He was a senior QB on Alma's football team last fall, seeing much action in contributing to their 6-4 season. Thereafter, he attended to his duties as a student in the sports information department in the winter and spring, particularly with the baseball team according to the article, which also noted he plans to pursue a position in sports analysis. The award is named after longtime MIAA publicist and historian, former Hope SID Tom Renner. Several Alma College students have been selected for the award since its inception.

In other Alma news, sad to hear that former longtime Alma College baseball head coach/administrator (and former basketball head coach and football assistant coach at the school) Bill Klenk recently passed away at his home in Florida in August. He was 83. Klenk, an Alma College alum, was also a great athlete there in sports. He was a great coach, educator and mentor to many student-athletes at Alma throughout his career. He had retired in 1997 and the Alma baseball stadium at the college, Klenk Park, is named in his honor. He will be greatly missed, but fondly remembered. His obituary related that a commemoration is to be planned for next spring's annual Klenk Open, a longtime annual Alma College athletics golf outing and fundraiser named in his honor. I join in with many in sending condolences to his family, friends, colleagues and the Alma College community.

Edited for typos :)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jaybird44 on September 24, 2020, 06:12:42 PM
Hello all!

Usually I post items about WashU games that I have or will broadcast, or about general observations from other games and events.  However, this post regards a topic that is quite a bit different--with the athletic shoe being on the broadcaster's foot.

I am going to attempt to cover 100 miles in a solo charity ultramarathon through an event that I have organized.  "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" will be conducted in the subdivision where I live in St. Charles, MO, to raise awareness and research funds for Rett syndrome.  I get started at 9 a.m. Central on Saturday, October 3 and end at 5 p.m. Sunday, October 4.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

If you would like to make a donation to the cause, here is the link to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 30, 2020, 10:26:27 PM
bit tardy on this but the MIAA put together its 5 game conference schedule for next Spring.
https://www.miaa.org/sports/fball/2019-20/standings


Of note, each team gets a bye week and will miss one opponent except Adrian, who will play each of the other 6 schools.  I'm not quite sure why exactly but I believe its a convoluted set of circumstances and reasoning involving Adrian and Trine's decision to play this Fall.  I assume Adrian will forgo the extra year of eligibility for its student athletes or appeal the NCAA as will Trine.  No idea  (stay tuned there)

Will not play:
Hope-Kzoo   no Wooden Shoes,  first time they haven't played since '43 to '45
Albion-Trine
Alma-Olivet   This is something like the 4th or 5th oldest series in the league

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 01, 2020, 05:47:09 PM
Trine will begin it's "independent" 3 game fall football season this Saturday with a scheduled game at Adrian.  Both Trine and Adrian will also have games against Bluffton and Manchester from the HCAC.  The scimmage against IWU and game against Judson were both cancelled, so who knows if the game against Adrian will be a go or not.  Stay tuned.

(All the other Trine fall sports teams have had games/matches/meets in soccer, cross country, tennis, and golf so far, the volleyball team is scheduled to begin a very short fall season tommorow night.  Adrian, Calvin and Olivet have been the other MIAA schools who have participated in fall sports)
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Inkblot on October 02, 2020, 03:34:22 PM
Finlandia is on its way out: https://umacathletics.com/news/2020/9/30/umac-adds-finlandia-as-associate-football-member-for-2021-season.aspx
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 03, 2020, 04:35:58 PM
Final - Trine 44 Adrian 27. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Shamrock on October 06, 2020, 11:57:38 AM
TUA,  What are the rules regarding fan attendance for these games?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 06, 2020, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock on October 06, 2020, 11:57:38 AM
TUA,  What are the rules regarding fan attendance for these games?

I believe each players parents have the option to attend, but you have to provide your names to the University staff to get on a list, if you're not on the list you don't get in.  No general admission, no students except for cheerleaders, dance team, marching band, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: monsoon on October 06, 2020, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on October 02, 2020, 03:34:22 PM
Finlandia is on its way out: https://umacathletics.com/news/2020/9/30/umac-adds-finlandia-as-associate-football-member-for-2021-season.aspx

Hopefully for Finlandia this opens the door for them to become full members of the UMAC one day. It's the logical landing place for them and the only one that makes any sense geographically.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Shamrock on October 07, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 06, 2020, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: Shamrock on October 06, 2020, 11:57:38 AM
TUA,  What are the rules regarding fan attendance for these games?

I believe each players parents have the option to attend, but you have to provide your names to the University staff to get on a list, if you're not on the list you don't get in.  No general admission, no students except for cheerleaders, dance team, marching band, etc.

Thanks!  Wondering if they were going to requiring testing of that group. 

"May you live in interesting times."
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 07, 2020, 10:00:32 AM
Quote from: monsoon on October 06, 2020, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on October 02, 2020, 03:34:22 PM
Finlandia is on its way out: https://umacathletics.com/news/2020/9/30/umac-adds-finlandia-as-associate-football-member-for-2021-season.aspx

Hopefully for Finlandia this opens the door for them to become full members of the UMAC one day. It's the logical landing place for them and the only one that makes any sense geographically.

Finlandia's best option has always been to not be located in Hancock, Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 10, 2020, 03:57:23 PM
Final:  Trine 37  Manchester 0
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 17, 2020, 11:38:57 AM
Today's football game with Bluffton has been canceled.  Ohio has restrictions for anyone leaving state and traveling to another state with a high covid positivity rate (Indiana is at 15%).  If they do leave the state then they would have to quarantine when they got back home.

Adrian and Manchester are still on for tonight as far as I know.

Trine football ends fall slate at 2-0.  Kudos to Trine administration and athletic dept for finding a way to allow Trine student athletes to safely compete in fall sports, albeit a shortened fall schedule for all Trine athletics.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MUC57 on December 25, 2020, 01:36:03 PM

Watched a Christmas music special on PBS last night put on by The Hope College chorus and string orchestra. Really well done and very professional. I enjoyed it more than other similar shows.
Well done! Merry Christmas to all. 🌲✝
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2021, 09:13:12 AM
In case anyone missed it, Hope announced on Jan 21 that they will not be participating in any games in the spring of 2021.  Here is a link to the press release:

https://athletics.hope.edu/sports/fball/2020-21/releases/20210121fuioee
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 24, 2021, 08:48:13 PM
News about Hope College Football.

https://www.mlive.com/sports/2021/01/why-hope-college-football-has-said-no-to-spring-season.html
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 11, 2021, 06:06:50 PM
MIAA Pre-Season Football Coaches Poll is out:

Rank Team            Points       First-Place Votes
1.   Albion            6 points            6
2.   Hope             14 points           1
3.   Trine             17 points   
4.   Olivet            20 points   
5.   Adrian           23 points   
6.   Alma             31 points   
7.   Kalamazoo     36 points   

No surprises.  This would be my predicted order too.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Thunderdome21 on August 31, 2021, 10:45:53 AM
For those who follow Hope College Football:

https://www.hollandsentinel.com/story/sports/2021/08/11/hope-college-football-5-players-watch/8098336002/
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: FSU96 on September 04, 2021, 07:38:00 PM
Heidelberg leads Adrian 38-0 at the half.

Is Heidelberg any good, or is Adrian this bad?
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 21, 2021, 07:45:48 AM
From the "for what its worth" department.  I'm surprised that activity here has been nonexistent since the beginning of the season.  Maybe because Covid disrupted last year's football season to a great degree, I find my zeal for college football (even D3) this season has waned somewhat.  I've seen Hope play 4 games so far  (including the stream of the game with Coe ... from "my" ARC/IIAC conference) and note that while their championship team of 2019 was both talented and experienced, this year's team began the season with talent and only a modicum of experience.  Six games into the season (and thanks to Coach Stursma and his staff), Hope is playing with increased confidence/experience.  If there is no let-up against Adrian and Alma, the final two games against Albion and Trine should be great contests for fans and will decide MIAA standings ending conference play.  I regret that I will miss the Trine game, but look forward to watching the Hope-Albion contest. So that's it.  Thanks for "listening" ... and go Dubuque.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: RFMichigan on October 31, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 21, 2021, 07:45:48 AM
From the "for what its worth" department.  I'm surprised that activity here has been nonexistent since the beginning of the season.  Maybe because Covid disrupted last year's football season to a great degree, I find my zeal for college football (even D3) this season has waned somewhat.  I've seen Hope play 4 games so far  (including the stream of the game with Coe ... from "my" ARC/IIAC conference) and note that while their championship team of 2019 was both talented and experienced, this year's team began the season with talent and only a modicum of experience.  Six games into the season (and thanks to Coach Stursma and his staff), Hope is playing with increased confidence/experience.  If there is no let-up against Adrian and Alma, the final two games against Albion and Trine should be great contests for fans and will decide MIAA standings ending conference play.  I regret that I will miss the Trine game, but look forward to watching the Hope-Albion contest. So that's it.  Thanks for "listening" ... and go Dubuque.

I went to the Hope-Alma game yesterday (because I couldn't bare to watch the "other" game), and Hope looked solid. Perhaps Alma is not a good measuring stick, but Hope only gave up five first downs all game - the first coming halfway through the third quarter. Very strong and fast. Their offense looked "okay", but not as dominating as their defense. Again, competition caveats may apply, but their last two games should be interesting.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: pointlem on November 06, 2021, 05:29:33 PM
What a terrific Hope v Albion game on a beautiful fall day, with the game ending with the teams tied in first downs (23),  and almost in the score 41-38. Although plays at the game's end may have felt decisive--a fumble after a fine catch, a third down sideline catch that was almost intercepted--those plays were no more determinative than the earlier fumbles, long passes, etc. A game that was exciting down to its final minutes, and so well played by both teams. (I may be mistaken, but I don't recall an offensive penalty by either team.)

Hope suffered a big loss when ace receiver Ian Rampersand was taken off the field with an injury. WR Terrell Harris was amazing, with 9 receptions and 111 yards, often aided by spin moves to elude would-be tacklers. Albion QB Jack Bush to Justin Thomas was unstoppable (17 catches, 182 yards).

Albion graduates a lot of starting seniors, while Hope is a junior-loaded team, which I expect may have the upper hand next year. For now, kudos to both teams.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 07, 2021, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: pointlem on November 06, 2021, 05:29:33 PM
What a terrific Hope v Albion game on a beautiful fall day, with the game ending with the teams tied in first downs (23),  and almost in the score 41-38. Although plays at the game's end may have felt decisive--a fumble after a fine catch, a third down sideline catch that was almost intercepted--those plays were no more determinative than the earlier fumbles, long passes, etc. A game that was exciting down to its final minutes, and so well played by both teams. (I may be mistaken, but I don't recall an offensive penalty by either team.)

Hope suffered a big loss when ace receiver Ian Rampersand was taken off the field with an injury. WR Terrell Harris was amazing, with 9 receptions and 111 yards, often aided by spin moves to elude would-be tacklers. Albion QB Jack Bush to Justin Thomas was unstoppable (17 catches, 182 yards).

Albion graduates a lot of starting seniors, while Hope is a junior-loaded team, which I expect may have the upper hand next year. For now, kudos to both teams.

Good assessment of yesterday's game. Almost like 3 games. ... 1st quarter was Albion's ... second quarter was Hope's ... and 2nd half was a back-and-forth between two talented teams. Albion started 8 seniors on offense and 4 on defense, while Hope had 3 senior starters offensively and 5 on defense.  Hope losing Rampersad to injury was a big loss, but the excitement provided by Harris made up, in part,  for that.   Albion's QB was a steady performer and Justin Thomas was outstanding as a receiver.  Both teams played hard and Hope must have been as disappointed as Albion was elated with the outcome.  Next interesting development will be to see who Albion draws in the first round of the D3 playoffs.  Two years ago Hope drew Wartburg from the ARC.  If that were to carry through this year, Albion would face Central College ... another "Dutch" team.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on August 05, 2022, 12:30:20 PM
Hope lands a 3 star OL recruit for 2023

https://twitter.com/jackstorey05/status/1555330797661470721?s=21&t=791qUOV1Hvf8oPkHfo-hmA
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 15, 2022, 07:11:09 PM
MIAA Preseason Coaches Poll it out for 2022 Football Season.

1) Hope - 10 points - 3 first place votes
2) Albion - 11 points - 2 first place votes
3) Trine - 12 points - 2 first place votes
4) Olivet - 21 points
5) Adrian - 26 points
6) Alma - 31 points
7) Kalamazoo - 36 points
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on August 16, 2022, 08:42:46 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 15, 2022, 07:11:09 PM
MIAA Preseason Coaches Poll it out for 2022 Football Season.

1) Hope - 10 points - 3 first place votes
2) Albion - 11 points - 2 first place votes
3) Trine - 12 points - 2 first place votes
4) Olivet - 21 points
5) Adrian - 26 points
6) Alma - 31 points
7) Kalamazoo - 36 points

Hope plays Albion in early October this season. Trine, however, finishes the season with Albion, Hope, and Kalamazoo. Hope starts the season hosting Aurora and Coe, both of which should be exciting. Coe beat the Dutchmen in Iowa last year. I feel like starting 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2 are all on the table. Would love to see Albion and Hope stay unblemished in non-conference play before the match-up in October.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 16, 2022, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on August 16, 2022, 08:42:46 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 15, 2022, 07:11:09 PM
MIAA Preseason Coaches Poll it out for 2022 Football Season.

1) Hope - 10 points - 3 first place votes
2) Albion - 11 points - 2 first place votes
3) Trine - 12 points - 2 first place votes
4) Olivet - 21 points
5) Adrian - 26 points
6) Alma - 31 points
7) Kalamazoo - 36 points

Hope plays Trine in early October this season. Trine, however, finishes the season with Albion, Hope, and Kalamazoo. Hope starts the season hosting Aurora and Coe, both of which should be exciting. Coe beat the Dutchmen in Iowa last year. I feel like starting 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2 are all on the table. Would love to see Albion and Hope stay unblemished in non-conference play before the match-up in October.

Trine gets both Albion and Hope at home this season, so maybe a slight advantage for those 2 crucial games.  Not sure how Trine gets Hope at home again this year as we hosted the Dutch last year.  Scheduling usually rotates home and away every other year.  On the flip side we play at Olivet for the second consecutive year too.  Lots of optimism for the Thunder this year from what I am hearing.  We were pretty young last year and now most of those guys are juniors and seniors, plus I know some key 5th year guys are back due to the Covid ruling which grants an extra year of eligibility.  Not many holes to fill at all.  But both Albion and Hope return a good portion of their teams too with a few 5th year guys sprinkled in as well.  Should be lots of fun, can't wait for the Trine season to start on Thursday Sept 1 with a home game against Anderson Univ. under the lights.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 01, 2022, 04:48:38 PM
Finally here...game day...err...game night.  ;D

Trine vs. Anderson 7pm.  Go Thunder!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: pointlem on September 03, 2022, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: TromboneJB on August 05, 2022, 12:30:20 PM
Hope lands a 3 star OL recruit for 2023

https://twitter.com/jackstorey05/status/1555330797661470721?s=21&t=791qUOV1Hvf8oPkHfo-hmA
Interesting . . . after https://www.mlive.com/highschoolsports/2022/07/top-recruits-brightons-jack-storey-explains-why-grand-valley-is-the-place-for-him.html. Great news for Hope if this holds . . . sounds like someone who knows who he is and what's best for him.

And what a great come-from-behind Hope victory today against a fine Aurora team that made it into the DIII playoffs last year. As expected, Hope's experienced offense was pretty special, with 591 yards . . . and its young defense made mistakes but surely will improve with experience.

A well-played first game by both teams, with few penalties or turnovers.

Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 12, 2022, 07:57:53 AM
So 2 weeks into the season and the MIAA is 13-1.  Impressive start!!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 12, 2022, 08:56:45 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 12, 2022, 07:57:53 AM
So 2 weeks into the season and the MIAA is 13-1.  Impressive start!!

And that lone loss was Adrian (pre-season picked to finish 5th in the MIAA) losing to a very solid Heidelberg team (pre-season picked to finish second to Mount in the OAC). Impressive indeed!
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on September 12, 2022, 11:47:58 AM
There's a nonzero chance that the MIAA can be 20-1 after this weekend.  All of the crossover games are on the road, but very winnable. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 12, 2022, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 12, 2022, 11:47:58 AM
There's a nonzero chance that the MIAA can be 20-1 after this weekend.  All of the crossover games are on the road, but very winnable.

Mount St. Joseph worries me a little. I think Hope should win this matchup, but Coe definitely should have won that game Saturday. The final score of 33-24 is deceptive, as Hope ran back a rumble recovery as time ran out. It was the 7th time Hope turned Coe over and the second time they took it took it to the house! Coe's offense was significantly better than Hope's all day, minus taking care of the ball. I believe Coe's defense is better than Mount St. Joseph's, but if Hope struggles to move the ball against the Lions, it could take some magic once again to pull out a W.

Rose Hulman is a good 0-2 team. Losing to DePauw and Trine, both in very close games, are respectable losses. I think Albion wins, but wouldn't be shocked if they didn't.

Kalamazoo should beat Defiance. Trine should roll a 0-2 Franklin team. Adrian should beat Bluffton.

Olivet and Alma both felt like toss ups two weeks ago, but with Hanover and Anderson starting 0-2, both feel like favorites. 


Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 18, 2022, 12:07:47 PM
Hard to believe there isn't more chatter on the MIAA football board.  After 3 weeks the conference has a cumulative record of 19-2.  When was the last time the conference has had this good of a start? Never?  Yesterday the MIAA went 6-1 against the HCAC with the lone loss by Hope to an undefeated MSJ team who appears to be the favorite to win their conference.  Albion looks to be the team to beat in the MIAA.  They have a really well balanced offense and the best defense in the league.  Trine with a good win at Franklin, but the Grizz seem to be down this year.  Trine does have some weaknesses however.  The ground game is sputtering, the O-line needs to play better.  We do have a good group of receivers it's just a matter of can our QB's get it to them consistently.  Hope has had the toughest non-con schedule in the MIAA and has faired pretty well.  Olivet, Alma and Adrian all appear to be playing very well.  In looking at the last week of the non-con schedule I'd say the MIAA is favored in at least 4 of the 7 games, Hope, Alma, Adrian and Olivet.  Albion with a real test at UW-Eau Claire, should the Brits win that one it will send a strong message to the rest of the MIAA.  Trine has a tough one at home against a really good Centre team.  Kalamazoo goes to NY to play Alfred, if the Hornets win this may be their best start in a long long time.  Should be a dogfight once conference play begins. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 19, 2022, 02:31:08 PM
Hope's slow start and some poorly timed turnovers ended up being their undoing in Cincinnati. Mount St. Joseph and Hope felt very evenly matched. Hope intercepted the Lions in the middle of the first quarter deep in their territory, only to throw it right back to them. What should have been at least 7-3 became 13-0. Which became 19-7 later in the first. Mount St. Joseph's defense looked significantly better than I had given them credit for prior to the game, although it was certainly aided by an anemic Dutchman offense. Hope survived Coe due to turning them over 7 times. The turnover ratio Saturday was EVEN (2 for both teams) while Chase Brown was sacked 5 times to Josh Taylor's one.

A disappointing loss for sure, but Hope still has everything ahead of them. After Northwestern (MN) this weekend, they start MIAA play with a sneaky Adrian team before go to Albion and to Alma. Alma should head into MIAA play undefeated and gets Trine and Hope as their first two conference opponents. Looks to be an exciting season in the MIAA, with perhaps a little more open for the taking than in most recent years.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 22, 2022, 10:17:06 AM
Just noticed Saturday is Northwestern's homecoming, and Hope will get to play the role of spoilers.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 24, 2022, 07:03:24 PM
Another good Saturday for the MIAA going 6-1 this afternoon.  Lone loss was Kalamazoo falling to Alfred.  As expected the Adrian, Alma, Hope and Olivet games were not close: Adrian winning 73-13, Alma 69-0, Hope 56-7 and Olivet 63-7.  Albion with a very good road win at UW-Eau Claire 28-20, and Trine with a defensive gem against Centre 17-0.  The Colonels came into the game receiving votes in the D3 football poll, so this is a good win for the Thunder.  We had two good scoring opportunities in the first quarter, getting intercepted in the end zone to end our first drive and then turning ball over on downs at the 1 yd line on the second drive.  Alex Price with one of his better throwing days for the Thunder.  Defense was the story though, Centre really didn't have a scoring opportunity until late in the game and the Thunder forced a fumble on a 1st and goal at the 1 yd line.

League play begins next week, Alma at Trine, Albion at Kalamazoo and Adrian at Hope.  Alma is playing very well and wouldn't be at all surprised for them to come to Angola and get a win.  The final nonconference schdule totals are 25 wins and 3 losses.  The non-con schedule was a little on the weak side overall however. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 25, 2022, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on September 24, 2022, 07:03:24 PM
Another good Saturday for the MIAA going 6-1 this afternoon.  Lone loss was Kalamazoo falling to Alfred.  As expected the Adrian, Alma, Hope and Olivet games were not close: Adrian winning 73-13, Alma 69-0, Hope 56-7 and Olivet 63-7.  Albion with a very good road win at UW-Eau Claire 28-20, and Trine with a defensive gem against Centre 17-0.  The Colonels came into the game receiving votes in the D3 football poll, so this is a good win for the Thunder.  We had two good scoring opportunities in the first quarter, getting intercepted in the end zone to end our first drive and then turning ball over on downs at the 1 yd line on the second drive.  Alex Price with one of his better throwing days for the Thunder.  Defense was the story though, Centre really didn't have a scoring opportunity until late in the game and the Thunder forced a fumble on a 1st and goal at the 1 yd line.

League play begins next week, Alma at Trine, Albion at Kalamazoo and Adrian at Hope.  Alma is playing very well and wouldn't be at all surprised for them to come to Angola and get a win.  The final non conference schedule totals are 25 wins and 3 losses.  The non-con schedule was a little on the weak side overall however.

If the MIAA doesn't cannibalize themselves, I think the MIAA get's two teams this year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 25, 2022, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on September 25, 2022, 10:59:32 AM

If the MIAA doesn't cannibalize themselves, I think the MIAA get's two teams this year.

That has never happened and is still very unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 26, 2022, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: sac on September 25, 2022, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on September 25, 2022, 10:59:32 AM

If the MIAA doesn't cannibalize themselves, I think the MIAA get's two teams this year.

That has never happened and is still very unlikely to happen.

I agree, the MIAA will be represented by the league champion only.  I don't think anyone is going to beat Albion from what I've seen on video (and Trine in person) of the MIAA teams so far this year.  It should be a good battle for second.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 27, 2022, 08:08:29 AM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on September 25, 2022, 10:59:32 AM
If the MIAA doesn't cannibalize themselves, I think the MIAA get's two teams this year.

If Trine and Albion both run the table, with one of those team's sole loss being to the other... it's not as impossible as everyone is making it out to be. Or if Hope runs the table, and Albion's only loss was to Hope. The amount of teams in line with said MIAA 2nd place finisher would be...

At least one WIAC team
The two loss Bethel/St John's non-AQ
Centennial 2nd place finisher (Johns Hopkins/Susquehanna)
MAC 2nd place finisher (Stevenson/Delaware Valley)
Hardin Simmons.
Wheaton

I could see a couple of these teams dropping a game and dropping off this list. Sounds absurd, but the MIAA getting two teams in is not impossible, and may even be likely if the 2nd place finisher ends the season with their only loss being to the MIAA champion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on September 28, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
Not impossible they get two, but I stand by it being not very likely.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 28, 2022, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: sac on September 28, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
Not impossible they get two, but I stand by it being not very likely.
My money is on Albion running the table and Trine losing another one, either to Hope, Adrian, or Olivet. Then it's a moot argument.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 01, 2022, 05:52:06 PM
Alma is the real deal...or Trine isn't...probably a combination of the 2.  Alma 40 Trine 21.  Alma has a couple of terrific Freshman that were the players of the game.  QB Carter St. John has very good accuracy.  Trine's secondary played very soft and let Alma throw the ball in the flat all day.  It was easy pitch and catch and our defensive staff was stubborn to make any adjustments.  RB Eddie Williams is also outsanding with good quickness and shiftiness.  Alma's defense is very good at creating turnovers and had 4 today plus a sack of Trine QB Alex Price in the end zone for a safety.  This result will undoubtedly open a lot of eyes in the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Stinger on October 02, 2022, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 01, 2022, 05:52:06 PM
Alma is the real deal...or Trine isn't...probably a combination of the 2.  Alma 40 Trine 21.  Alma has a couple of terrific Freshman that were the players of the game.  QB Carter St. John has very good accuracy.  Trine's secondary played very soft and let Alma throw the ball in the flat all day.  It was easy pitch and catch and our defensive staff was stubborn to make any adjustments.  RB Eddie Williams is also outsanding with good quickness and shiftiness.  Alma's defense is very good at creating turnovers and had 4 today plus a sack of Trine QB Alex Price in the end zone for a safety.  This result will undoubtedly open a lot of eyes in the rest of the conference.

Carter is the son of former K bball PG Steve St. John.  Finally won the starting job going into this week. 
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 03, 2022, 01:12:54 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on September 28, 2022, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: sac on September 28, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
Not impossible they get two, but I stand by it being not very likely.
My money is on Albion running the table and Trine losing another one, either to Hope, Adrian, or Olivet. Then it's a moot argument.

Or just losing to Alma... I did not see that coming. Alma and Adrian completely dismantling the preseason favorites to contend with Albion for the MIAA. 

Hope's defense feels like it's regressing, not improving as the season goes on. Hope put together one nice drive in the second quarter against Adrian going the length of the field after incepting them on the 6 yard line. It was their only TD for the day.

I think Adrian and Alma are better than they're given credit for and Trine and Hope are both not as good as advertised. Maybe the schedule maker knew more than any of us, since Albion at Alma on November 12th could very well be a de facto conference championship game the last regularly season game of the year.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 09, 2022, 10:39:44 AM
Week 2 conference games completed.

Albion looked terrific against Hope.  Bush to Tocco is a lethal combo.  Tocco made wise choice switching from basketball to football.  Bush with sort of an unorthodox throwing motion bringing ball completely behind his head, but it is very effective and accurate.  I don't think anyone else in the MIAA will be able to hang with the Brits.

Trine with ugly win against Adrian.  Both offenses were offensive.  Adrian with 4 big turnovers and that was the difference. 

Olivet runs over Kzoo.

Next week finds Hope@Alma, Trine@Olivet, and Kzoo@Adrian.  Big games for the Scots and Comets to keep pace with Albion.
Title: Re: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 16, 2022, 02:28:00 PM
Week 3 MIAA games are complete:  Alma over Hope, Trine over Olivet, Adrian over Kalamazoo.

Alma hangs on with big win over Hope, remain in first tied with Albion.  Trine comes back from 15 pt deficit in 3rd quarter to win an exciting game at Olivet in 3OT.  QB Alex Price was outstanding for the Thunder, his accuracy is night/day better than he has ever shown.  Olivet would have been in a 3way tie for first with a victory but couldn't close it out.

Next week finds Albion @ Trine, Alma @ Kalamazoo, and Olivet @ Hope.  Huge game for Trine if they want to at least claim a share of the conference title.  A win by Albion eliminates Trine and could possibly set us a season ending showdown with Alma for the championship.  I still think Albion is a notch above everyone else in the conference. 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 22, 2022, 04:45:29 PM
Heartbreak in Angola for the Trine Thunder.  Outplayed Albion all day, our defense was big time.  But 2 big plays turned the tide in the second quater for the Brits.  Albion with a pick six midway thru the quarter, and then just before half we had a bad snap on a punt and our punter couldn't gather in the snap and Albion tackled him on the 5 yard line.  Two plays later a shovel pass to Tocco tied the game going into the half.  Very deflating.

Second half we controlled the clock but only came away with field goals.  Against Albion you can't do that.  Albion only with one drive of any significance in the second half, took the opening kick and drove it for a touchdown.  Other than that our defense was solid.  We had on final drive in the last couple minutes...picked up 3 first downs to get the ball in Albion territory but on a 3rd down Price rolled out and fired a pass on the run over the middle but didn't see Albion's safety who had an easy pick.  Ballgame.

The guys played their hearts out against the 22nd ranked team, but just wasn't meant to be today.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GoKnights68 on October 28, 2022, 04:31:35 PM
Football is coming to Calvin..

https://calvin.edu/news/archive/football-is-coming-to-calvin-university
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on October 28, 2022, 04:39:18 PM
Hello? Is this my new home?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 28, 2022, 04:44:59 PM
Quote from: GoKnights68 on October 28, 2022, 04:31:35 PM
Football is coming to Calvin..

https://calvin.edu/news/archive/football-is-coming-to-calvin-university

This is awesome news!  It's always been awkward with just 7 MIAA institutions with football progams.  During conference play each team has a bye week which isn't ideal.  Finlandia was a football only member for a few years but that didn't work out for the Lions.  I wonder what the time frame is for Calvin football to begin competition?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 28, 2022, 04:51:54 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on October 28, 2022, 04:44:59 PM
Quote from: GoKnights68 on October 28, 2022, 04:31:35 PM
Football is coming to Calvin..

https://calvin.edu/news/archive/football-is-coming-to-calvin-university

This is awesome news!  It's always been awkward with just 7 MIAA institutions with football progams.  During conference play each team has a bye week which isn't ideal.  Finlandia was a football only member for a few years but that didn't work out for the Lions.  I wonder what the time frame is for Calvin football to begin competition?

The news release says fall of 2023 but I can't imagine playing games 10 months from now with no coach even in place. Who knows, but I'd bet on first games in 2024 with a JV-ish team of mostly freshmen.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2022, 04:59:04 PM
Yeah. Their news release is intentionally vague. I think our reporting might add to that:
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/10/calvin-to-add-football
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 28, 2022, 05:12:00 PM
It took Calvin adding football for the MIAA football board to start blowing up.  There's been more activity today than in the past few years combined.  ::)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2022, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2022, 04:59:04 PM
Yeah. Their news release is intentionally vague. I think our reporting might add to that:
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/10/calvin-to-add-football
Great News! I can imagine that the Hope fans are the second happiest fans in Michigan!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on October 30, 2022, 02:39:20 PM
Any chance the MIAA presidents/ ADs would allow Holland v. Calvin to end the season yearly?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on October 31, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Bilk on October 30, 2022, 02:39:20 PM
Any chance the MIAA presidents/ ADs would allow Holland v. Calvin to end the season yearly?

Wow. Literally came to this board this morning to pose this exact question as it just came to mind. I come humbly to ask because I don't know anything about how the conference has handled scheduling or if it would have any intention of setting up Calvin-Hope football at the end of the season like Michigan-Ohio State. One of the interesting things about rivalries in college football is some have consistent traditional dates and some don't.

(I should also add that I don't take for granted that Calvin will create a football program out of nothing then quickly build a program that makes a final week rivalry game especially important beyond the rivalry itself.)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 31, 2022, 09:46:29 AM
There goes my karma. The football board was my "safe space" lol
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 31, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
In all seriousness though, my mind immediately goes to financial questions regarding the move.

1. How long is reasonable to expect that the football program is in the black? A lot of effort and money is going to be put into making this happen, what's the expected payoff?

2. What kind of pushback will Calvin get in the wake of all the academic and student life programs that have seen significant cuts or elimination in the last several years due to financial struggles? Calvin has been aggressively cutting programs, reducing staff, and selling real estate for a while now. Although a declining student population has played a big role too, one could argue that their financial woes began in the late 90s via construction projects and real estate purchases. Building a football stadium in many ways feels like not learning from previous mistakes, especially to students and faculty who have seen their programs gutted in recent years. A football season at Calvin in 2025 feels like a very aggressive goal, meaning that for the next 3 years minimum, a lot of time and money will be poured into something that is sure to upset the more academically focused that don't necessarily care about athletics.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2022, 12:17:25 PM
Announcing football in October 2022 and taking the field for varsity games in 2025 is not an aggressive timeline at all. The normal timeline for an announcement in the fall is to take the field two years later.

Hilbert in New York announced in November 2021 and played seven varsity games this fall. That's crazy aggressive and also probably driven by enrollment.

Schools are all looking at this enrollment cliff coming starting in 2025 and making adjustments. If Calvin needs 100 students, football is a way to get them.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 31, 2022, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2022, 12:17:25 PM
Announcing football in October 2022 and taking the field for varsity games in 2025 is not an aggressive timeline at all. The normal timeline for an announcement in the fall is to take the field two years later.

Fair point. I guess by aggressive, I meant in ways of infrastructure. A stadium, coaching staff, equipment, etc. It feels "aggressive" that they'd have those in place by this summer.

Is it fair to assume that in 2025 they'd have a team comprised by majority underclassmen and walk-ons? 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2022, 12:39:25 PM
That's where most programs start, yes. You could have two classes at that point, one of whom has a year of just practice/JV games/intrasquad under its belt, and one of whom is true freshmen. Often there may be a couple of key transfers, and some walk-ons from the student body at large who were already at Calvin.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on October 31, 2022, 01:25:38 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on October 31, 2022, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2022, 12:17:25 PM
Announcing football in October 2022 and taking the field for varsity games in 2025 is not an aggressive timeline at all. The normal timeline for an announcement in the fall is to take the field two years later.

Fair point. I guess by aggressive, I meant in ways of infrastructure. A stadium, coaching staff, equipment, etc. It feels "aggressive" that they'd have those in place by this summer.

Is it fair to assume that in 2025 they'd have a team comprised by majority underclassmen and walk-ons?

I wouldn't think hiring a coach and staff, procuring equipment and putting the beginning of a roster together (recruiting and transfer portal) would be prohibitive in a year. Not so for a stadium but I would think Calvin would have a few options that would at least get the program going before having something permanent in place.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 31, 2022, 01:54:16 PM
Quote from: ziggy on October 31, 2022, 01:25:38 PM
I wouldn't think hiring a coach and staff, procuring equipment and putting the beginning of a roster together (recruiting and transfer portal) would be prohibitive in a year. Not so for a stadium but I would think Calvin would have a few options that would at least get the program going before having something permanent in place.

I agree, except I feel like many of that requires some firmer dates and guarantees, especially for the student athletes. I'd think recruiting would be quite difficult for a startup program. It would significantly more difficult without promises on when the first game/season would be...
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2022, 02:08:24 PM
I'm sure they will be more forthcoming with student-athletes than they were in a high-level news release. The people I talked to seem pretty clear about 2025 being the start of varsity games.

As for recruiting student-athletes? A couple dozens schools have done so successfully in the past 25 years. It's work but it's doable:
https://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/general#16

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on October 31, 2022, 03:25:00 PM
Calvin is not going to have a problem with recruiting. I also agree with Pat that a 2025 tentative start is anything but an aggressive start. There are many alums (and other people) who would prefer an earlier start to an official season, and it could be easily done. As far as a stadium, there are plenty of nearby high school stadiums that could easily be utilized, if they changed their minds about the initial start-up scenario. Regardless, you can be sure that there will be a huge (over capacity) crowd at that first Hope/Calvin football game whatever the date eventually is.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on November 02, 2022, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: ziggy on October 31, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Bilk on October 30, 2022, 02:39:20 PM
Any chance the MIAA presidents/ ADs would allow Holland v. Calvin to end the season yearly?

Wow. Literally came to this board this morning to pose this exact question as it just came to mind. I come humbly to ask because I don't know anything about how the conference has handled scheduling or if it would have any intention of setting up Calvin-Hope football at the end of the season like Michigan-Ohio State. One of the interesting things about rivalries in college football is some have consistent traditional dates and some don't.

(I should also add that I don't take for granted that Calvin will create a football program out of nothing then quickly build a program that makes a final week rivalry game especially important beyond the rivalry itself.)

The MIAA hasn't seemed inclined to give any sort of scheduling preference or acknowledgement for the basketball rivalry*, which is as much of A ThingTM as there is in all of D3 athletics, so I doubt they'd allow anything 'special' for football.

*We'll be on our second-consecutive season of both Rivalry games occurring on Wednesday nights.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 03, 2022, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on October 31, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
In all seriousness though, my mind immediately goes to financial questions regarding the move.

1. How long is reasonable to expect that the football program is in the black? A lot of effort and money is going to be put into making this happen, what's the expected payoff?


This lead to wonder, are there actually D3 schools that are in the black regarding a given sport?  I guess it depends on how you define it (enrollment boosts, etc.).
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 03, 2022, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 03, 2022, 01:14:23 PM
This lead to wonder, are there actually D3 schools that are in the black regarding a given sport?  I guess it depends on how you define it (enrollment boosts, etc.).

Such a hard metric to nail down. If you count the cost of facilities, absolutely not. If you count just coaches, equipment, and travel... yes. But as you said with enrollment boosts, there are both more real costs and secondary benefits than those.

I'm sure Calvin will happily take on any and all additional costs if a football team gets more students to enroll.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on November 03, 2022, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 02, 2022, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: ziggy on October 31, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Bilk on October 30, 2022, 02:39:20 PM
Any chance the MIAA presidents/ ADs would allow Holland v. Calvin to end the season yearly?

Wow. Literally came to this board this morning to pose this exact question as it just came to mind. I come humbly to ask because I don't know anything about how the conference has handled scheduling or if it would have any intention of setting up Calvin-Hope football at the end of the season like Michigan-Ohio State. One of the interesting things about rivalries in college football is some have consistent traditional dates and some don't.

(I should also add that I don't take for granted that Calvin will create a football program out of nothing then quickly build a program that makes a final week rivalry game especially important beyond the rivalry itself.)

The MIAA hasn't seemed inclined to give any sort of scheduling preference or acknowledgement for the basketball rivalry*, which is as much of A ThingTM as there is in all of D3 athletics, so I doubt they'd allow anything 'special' for football.

*We'll be on our second-consecutive season of both Rivalry games occurring on Wednesday nights.

Maybe there are some college rivalries tied to specific times of year but it seems to be more a college football thing and that is the perspective I was coming from. College football seems to stand alone in having some traditional slots for rivalries, like Michigan and Ohio State the last game of the season, Oklahoma and Texas playing the second weekend of October coinciding with the Texas State Fair, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 09, 2022, 06:02:26 PM
Circling back to the two MIAA in the NCAA field thing, there is a path for 2 though I think its still pretty unlikely, there are only 4 Pool C bids available? Or is it 5?.   Albion is ranked #2, Alma #3 in the most recent rankings.   Albion's at large chances are probably better than Alma with a much better SOS, Alma will get a little help from playing unbeaten Albion, but a loss I think puts them in trouble for a bid.

In either case I think the loser probably stays ranked ahead of any of the other Region 7 likely Pool C's


Two in the playoffs is at least a possibility of some measure I can't put a % on, none of us thought one might be Alma.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 09, 2022, 10:44:22 PM
Logan Hanson on the twitterz who does a masterful job breaking down D3 football has Albion at 75% chance in with loss, Alma 56% with a loss
https://twitter.com/LogHanRatings

He seems pretty confident in two MIAA making the playoffs.


Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2022, 11:17:20 PM
I don't share the optimism on Alma as an at-large but I do think Albion has a reasonable chance if they lose, depending on what else happens on Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2022, 09:54:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2022, 11:17:20 PM
I don't share the optimism on Alma as an at-large but I do think Albion has a reasonable chance if they lose, depending on what else happens on Saturday.

Same
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 10, 2022, 08:30:33 PM
Some general thoughts...

Too bad that the very nice typical fall weather we experienced here today (high 60s/low 70s, very light wind, blue, sunny skies) will very likely not be present on Saturday for the MIAA championship game at Alma College. The current predicted weather for Saturday is cold temps (38 degress), windy, with snow and also some slight possible rain. Unless that forecast changes, which is unlikely, I fear that the weather will have a big impact on the game.

The weather may also affect the attendance at the game. The last time the MIAA fb championship was played between these two teams with a somewhat similar situation as to this year was in the late '90s. That game, played at Alma's Bahlke Stadium (4,700 capacity), had nearly 9,000 spectators in attendance. I would love to see that happen again on Saturday, however, I think it may be less likely due to the weather. I hope I'm wrong!

Lastly, I agree with Pat and sac. If Albion loses and it is a very close game, I believe they have a good chance at getting an at-large bid. Yet, as we all know, the NCAA committee has been unpredictable over the years. This is an obvious conclusion, but I will say it anyway! I believe the game is either going to be a blow-out or a very close game! :)  Dress warm all you die-hard alums and fans who will be going to the game!     
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 10, 2022, 09:49:56 PM
We all know you meant atypical weather. ;)

I moved my lawn today and I have seeds that have sprouted.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 11, 2022, 12:55:41 AM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2022, 09:49:56 PM
We all know you meant atypical weather. ;)

I moved my lawn today and I have seeds that have sprouted.

I stand corrected, my friend! :) You are right! I looked at a photo yesterday that my wife took here two years ago and we had snow.

I took care of putting away our lake house "toys" and that last lawn mowing of the year three weeks ago and last week, respectively!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: monsoon on November 12, 2022, 04:06:13 PM
Congrats to Alma!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 12, 2022, 10:28:25 PM
Fantastic game today at Alma. A classic for the MIAA history archives. HUGE crowd, both home and away sides overflowing as well as endzone bleachers-standing room only with fans lining around the entire perimeter of the field like 3-4 deep. I will be intetested to see what the final total attendance was. The weather cooperated- overcast, slight wind with 40 degree temp, but no precipitation. Very comfortable if you dressed warm (which I did!)

Alma is "the real deal." I think most people (except the Alma fans and team, of course) thought that Albion would win the game. It was a back-and-forth game. At times, Albion's big def line kept jamming Alma's running game, but the RBs, QB, and O line kept their poise and played thru that. Alma's only problem was giving up two long bomb TDs- the dbs will need to avoid that in the playoffs. Were it not for that, Alma wins easier. But it still could have gone either way right up to the last min-Alma could have sealed it by getting one more first down. But they had to punt before an interception by them at the end clinched it, ending Albion's attempt at a final seconds steal for a win. Albion hurt itself by several personal foul/ unsporsmanlike penalties, although Alma had a couple as well. A big key was Alma's fantastic goal line stand near the end of the first half, jamming/stopping Albion at the 6 inch line! As a former def player myself, I loved that series.

Yes, congrats to Alma. If they play like today, I think they will have a good chance at a first round win.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on November 12, 2022, 10:33:44 PM
Congrats to Alma.

Has to be one of the more surprising MIAA Championship seasons, at least that I can recall.  Scots were picked to finish 6th in the pre-season poll.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 13, 2022, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: sac on November 12, 2022, 10:33:44 PM
Congrats to Alma.

Has to be one of the more surprising MIAA Championship seasons, at least that I can recall.  Scots were picked to finish 6th in the pre-season poll.

One of the big differences for Alma has been the emergence of freshman QB Carter St John.  When Alma played their first conference game at Trine and won fairly handily I'm sure that gave notice that the Scots were for real.  I thought St John was outstanding in the Trine game, he makes all the right throws and with accuracy.  To me he should be the MIAA offensive player of the year.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 13, 2022, 05:51:04 PM
NCAA bracket is out.  Albion was left out unfortunately.  It's too bad as they had an outstanding season.  Alma will host MSJ in the first round.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2022, 06:12:55 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on November 13, 2022, 05:51:04 PM
NCAA bracket is out.  Albion was left out unfortunately.  It's too bad as they had an outstanding season.  Alma will host MSJ in the first round.

Tell that to Johns Hopkins!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 13, 2022, 06:32:13 PM
One last observation...I see where the Box Score listed yesterday's attendance at Alma's Bahlke as 4405. No way! That stadium seats 4,700 at capacity. All the permanent stands on both sides were completely filled (and plus that), with people standing 3-4 deep all the way around the field, including the endzones. Even the endzone smaller bleachers were full as was the hill above them. I'd say it was more like 5,000. :)   
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 19, 2022, 03:11:18 PM
Congrats to Alma on winning in the first round!  Things looked a bit "iffy" at halftime, but as the second half went one and weather conditions worsened, Alma looked better and better. 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 19, 2022, 03:48:53 PM
Alma gets Aurora next who finally delivered the NACC their first ever playoff win over UW-Whitewater.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on November 20, 2022, 11:45:09 AM
Congratulations to Alma yesterday!  They get another home game next Saturday against Aurora who upset UWW.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 20, 2022, 12:29:21 PM
That should be a good game. Aurora did lose to Hope in the opener but they are quite a bit better from that game.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: miaafbfan on November 20, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
Aurora/Alma should be a good game.  After Alma/MSJ, I switched over and caught the end of the Aurora/UW-Whitewater game yesterday.  Aurora looked impressive.  As stated, Aurora did lose to Hope, but we probably can't take too much from that, as it was many weeks ago.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Middle of the Mitten on November 21, 2022, 12:42:14 PM
21-21 at the half...Alma held MSJ  under a hundred total yards and scoreless the rest of the game. 41-21 victory.
Alma lost another TD when the backup QB lost a fumble in the end zone or it would have been worse for the
boys from Cincinnati. Alma's defense was fantastic ...MSJ's offense was a machine in the first half running and
passing the ball for close to 300 yards...Great adjustments by the coaching staff and Alma really wore down
their opponent over the last 30 minutes...Great win the the Scots...Should be a dandy vs. Aurora this Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Middle of the Mitten on November 21, 2022, 12:49:09 PM
In addition, the Alma College offense was a machine in the second half.
The two running backs combined for close to 200 yards...and then the
passing game kicked in for an impressive balanced attack...446 total yards..
The Scots would not be denied...
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 26, 2022, 03:04:14 PM
Aurora 48
Alma 26

Final

Aurora controlled this one from start to finish.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: monsoon on November 29, 2022, 12:02:53 AM
Great season from Alma.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 30, 2022, 11:18:39 AM
Quote from: monsoon on November 29, 2022, 12:02:53 AM
Great season from Alma.
Absolutely! Even more so when you consider they were pre-season picked to finish 6th in the MIAA by the coaches!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on December 06, 2022, 10:06:08 PM
Any thoughts on Calvin starting football?

Expect them to eventually have a heavyweight presence in the conference?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2022, 01:28:59 AM
Hi.
Catching up at the end of the season.
I expect Calvin has as strong or stronger alumni base and resources as UMHB. UMHB went 3-7 in its 1st year, 1998.
They went 9-1, with a close loss to semi-finalist HSU in 2000.
They earned a Pool C bid in 2001, losing to Trinity in Round 1.
UMHB made it to the Stagg in 2004.

They did not build the CRUthedral for more than 15 years.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on December 07, 2022, 08:35:12 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2022, 01:28:59 AM
Hi.
Catching up at the end of the season.
I expect Calvin has as strong or stronger alumni base and resources as UMHB. UMHB went 3-7 in its 1st year, 1998.
They went 9-1, with a close loss to semi-finalist HSU in 2000.
They earned a Pool C bid in 2001, losing to Trinity in Round 1.
UMHB made it to the Stagg in 2004.

They did not build the CRUthedral for more than 15 years.

I think one huge difference too is location. Recruiting grounds don't get much richer than being just about exactly half-way between Dallas and San Antonio. Michigan isn't devoid of football talent, but it is an uphill battle recruiting against perennial top 25 D2 teams like Ferris State and Grand Vally State, not to mention the rest of the GLIAC. Between the Big10, MAC, and GLIAC, there are 13 schools in Michigan that can offer some form of athletic scholarships to football players. That's over 800 recruits, most of whom aren't even remotely interested in thinking about a pricy private D3 school if they're even being talked to by D1 or D2 programs. To many, the idea of being a preferred walk-on at some of these D2s schools is more alluring than starting four years at a D3 program.

There's no reason to believe that Calvin won't be able to find some level of success in building a football program. But to think a school that's spent the last 20 years struggling with admissions numbers in general will suddenly rise to a regional football recruiting powerhouse is somewhat an illusion of grandeur.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 07, 2022, 09:38:32 AM
There are actually 18 scholarship level football schools in Michigan when you add in the 5 NAIA programs.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on December 07, 2022, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: sac on December 07, 2022, 09:38:32 AM
There are actually 18 scholarship level football schools in Michigan when you add in the 5 NAIA programs.

There I go again not realizing the NAIA has football :)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2022, 11:19:18 AM
But, Calvin is a lot like Wheaton. There are football-playing kids of Calvin alums all over the country who would love to suit up for the Knights.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on December 07, 2022, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2022, 11:19:18 AM
But, Calvin is a lot like Wheaton. There are football-playing kids of Calvin alums all over the country who would love to suit up for the Knights.

I don't disagree with you. But I also think Calvin will need to do a lot more than rely on solely the football playing sons of their alumni to build a respectable program.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 08, 2022, 08:44:55 AM
Quote from: HOPEful on December 07, 2022, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2022, 11:19:18 AM
But, Calvin is a lot like Wheaton. There are football-playing kids of Calvin alums all over the country who would love to suit up for the Knights.

I don't disagree with you. But I also think Calvin will need to do a lot more than rely on solely the football playing sons of their alumni to build a respectable program.

And don't forget, none of those Calvin alums were college football players.  I'm not saying only a football player can have a son with football talent, but it is genetically more likely. 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 08, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
Two of Calvin's traditional feeder schools, Holland Christian and Unity Christian have done quite well since adding football.

Would it be wrong for Calvin fans to expect a similar trajectory?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on December 08, 2022, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on December 08, 2022, 08:44:55 AM
And don't forget, none of those Calvin alums were college football players.  I'm not saying only a football player can have a son with football talent, but it is genetically more likely.
Athletes often produce athletes. In this case more specifically, tall, athletic, Dutch athletes often produce tall, athletic offspring. 6'6" and 225 lb. doesn't just work on the basketball court. Those stats translate just fine on the football field too (or baseball, or soccer, or pool...)

On a very related note, in the last decade or so Hope has missed out on getting the offspring of some of their more notable alumni... not due to a lack of interest in Hope, but due to those offspring being "too good" and getting scholarship offers from D1 programs. First to come to mind, Tyler Bosma chose to go to Miami (OH) to pitch and transferred to and pitched at Kentucky this past season. Tyler could also dunk and drain 3s and would have been very fun to watch in a Hope basketball uniform. His brother Blake went to WMU to play football. Their father was one of the best players in Hope basketball history, but both boys went on to play in college in other sports.

The CRC has been steadily shrinking over the last 30 years. The number of multi-generational Calvin families with children attending schools other than Calvin or Dordt has been steadily increasing over that time. I don't think the question is whether or not Calvin alum produce football players, but whether or not just having a football team is enough to get those young men to choose Calvin.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2022, 10:41:28 AM
It appears Albion will be looking for a new head coach.

https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/1603746984447426562
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 16, 2022, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: sac on December 16, 2022, 10:41:28 AM
It appears Albion will be looking for a new head coach.

https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/1603746984447426562

While thats not great news for Albion, Im absolutely thrilled to see Coach Beurer (or Dusty as I know him!) get a crack higher up the chain. I think hell do great things there, just like he did at Albion and wish he and his family the best with the move and the new challenge!

Whoever Albion finds is going to be hard pressed to match the success of Coach Beurer and Coach Rundle, big shoes to step into.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 16, 2022, 09:13:21 PM
Northwood is quite a challenge, save for a few good years in the early 2000's to 2010 they've had mostly losing seasons through most of their history.  Its pretty much a build from the ground up.  They've only won 8 games the last 4 full seasons.  3-8 this year with one being an NAIA school

It was pointed out to me earlier that Albion doesn't currently have an athletic director.   Have to think Steve Wasil might get a chance at interim and that might go into next season until they get an AD.

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on December 19, 2022, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: sac on December 16, 2022, 09:13:21 PM
Northwood is quite a challenge, save for a few good years in the early 2000's to 2010 they've had mostly losing seasons through most of their history.  Its pretty much a build from the ground up.  They've only won 8 games the last 4 full seasons.  3-8 this year with one being an NAIA school

It was pointed out to me earlier that Albion doesn't currently have an athletic director.   Have to think Steve Wasil might get a chance at interim and that might go into next season until they get an AD.

Not likely to happen.   So who knows what the Brits will do.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on December 20, 2022, 08:52:17 PM
formerd3db,

Check your PM's
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on December 24, 2022, 01:27:46 PM
I wish those of you on the MIAA board and all the DIII posters on the other boards here on d3football.com, especially Pat and all his staff a blessed Christmas holiday with your families this weekend.

Another great year by Pat and his staff at d3fb and I am just amazed it has been 22+ years he has been doing this site for all of us. While the culture of college fb, including at the d3 level, has dramatically changed over that time, it is still a good thing. So thank you and l/we look forward to many more years of d3fb.com.
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Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on January 06, 2023, 07:40:45 PM
Calvin has their first head football coach: https://calvinknights.com/news/2023/1/6/calvin-names-trent-figg-as-head-football-coach.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2023, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: ziggy on January 06, 2023, 07:40:45 PM
Calvin has their first head football coach: https://calvinknights.com/news/2023/1/6/calvin-names-trent-figg-as-head-football-coach.aspx
Looks like a winner.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 07, 2023, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2023, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: ziggy on January 06, 2023, 07:40:45 PM
Calvin has their first head football coach: https://calvinknights.com/news/2023/1/6/calvin-names-trent-figg-as-head-football-coach.aspx
Looks like a winner.

Yes, does appear to be a good choice for Calvin, considering he played at a small college. As he has had that experience at the  D I level (and DII), it will be interesting to see how long he stays at Calvin, especially if he has some succes in a relatively short time. However, that likely was a topic of discussion during his interview process. I also wonder who the other finalists were for consideration as well as who some of the other applicants were.

Of course, as many posters have said in similar discussions in the past, regarding length of new coach staying, every coach needs to consider what is best for them and their families, when bigger $ opportunities potentially become potential options. Obviously, that all depends on their personal coachimg career asperations. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see how Calvin's fb program progresses. The first ever Hope /Calvin fb game will be highly anticipated, I have no doubt.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on January 07, 2023, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 07, 2023, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2023, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: ziggy on January 06, 2023, 07:40:45 PM
Calvin has their first head football coach: https://calvinknights.com/news/2023/1/6/calvin-names-trent-figg-as-head-football-coach.aspx
Looks like a winner.

Yes, does appear to be a good choice for Calvin, considering he played at a small college. As he has had that experience at the  D I level (and DII), it will be interesting to see how long he stays at Calvin, especially if he has some succes in a relatively short time. However, that likely was a topic of discussion during his interview process. I also wonder who the other finalists were for consideration as well as who some of the other applicants were.

Of course, as many posters have said in similar discussions in the past, regarding length of new coach staying, every coach needs to consider what is best for them and their families, when bigger $ opportunities potentially become potential options. Obviously, that all depends on their personal coachimg career asperations. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see how Calvin's fb program progresses. The first ever Hope /Calvin fb game will be highly anticipated, I have no doubt.

I thought about this too. Will a guy with D1 and D2 experience be looking to climb the head coaching ladder. I suppose if he leaves for a bigger job after turning Calvin into a contender on the national stage, I will take that  ;D.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 15, 2023, 07:59:56 PM
Although this pertains to DII, it is breaking news. Grand Valley State head coach Matt Mitchell just announced this afternoon he is stepping down. He is going to the Big Ten as he is being hired by Luke Fickle as full time assistant. He will be the special teams coordinator and outside linebackers coach. Mitchell was one win shy of GVSU's al-time record of 118 wins by current LSU HC Brian Kelly.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 17, 2023, 11:12:44 AM
Albion has hired Travis Rundle, son of former head coach Craig Rundle.

https://gobrits.com/news/2023/1/17/football-travis-rundle-tabbed-head-football-coach.aspx


I envision Sprinkle-Sprandel-Rundle Stadium in the future.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: sac on January 17, 2023, 11:12:44 AM
Albion has hired Travis Rundle, son of former head coach Craig Rundle.

https://gobrits.com/news/2023/1/17/football-travis-rundle-tabbed-head-football-coach.aspx


I envision Sprinkle-Sprandel-Rundle Stadium in the future.

I saw this on the SAA board and scratched my head until I saw the Albion release that explained he's a coaching legacy and alum. That Albion release dug deep to find something nice to say about his Sewanee tenure.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on January 17, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 12:42:50 PM
That Albion release dug deep to find something nice to say about his Sewanee tenure...

"While at Sewanee, Rundle tied the school record for Southern Athletic Association wins in a season and helped develop six COSIDA Academic All-District players..."

More specifically, tied the school record of four. And for reference, the MIAA had 29 players on the COSIDA Academic All-District team this season. Kalamazoo (8), Albion (7), Hope (6), and Alma (6) all had as many this past season as Rundle did in his six seasons at the University of the South.

EDIT: It has been brought to my attention that COSIDA has changed the process and the result is much more on the All District team this season.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on January 17, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 12:42:50 PM
That Albion release dug deep to find something nice to say about his Sewanee tenure...

"While at Sewanee, Rundle tied the school record for Southern Athletic Association wins in a season and helped develop six COSIDA Academic All-District players..."

More specifically, tied the school record of four. And for reference, the MIAA had 29 players on the COSIDA Academic All-District team this season. Kalamazoo (8), Albion (7), Hope (6), and Alma (6) all had as many this past season as Rundle did in his six seasons at the University of the South.

Yeah. I mean, Sewanee has been a dead end long before Coach Rundle got there, and there was some suspicion he was on his way out soon anyway, one way or the other. So this was... quite a fortuitous opening.

I wish him well. Maybe getting out of Sewanee will shine a different light.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on January 17, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 01:35:47 PM
Yeah. I mean, Sewanee has been a dead end long before Coach Rundle got there, and there was some suspicion he was on his way out soon anyway, one way or the other. So this was... quite a fortuitous opening.

I wish him well. Maybe getting out of Sewanee will shine a different light.

For sure. It's difficult to wax poetic about a coach who went 11-50 over six seasons. My comments were more in the creative way the article painted the proverbial turd. A lack of success at Sewanee in no way, shape, or form means a lack of success at Albion, and like you, I wish him some success. Some, not in Holland or when Hope travels to Sprankle-Sprandel, but otherwise...
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on January 17, 2023, 03:40:03 PM
Quote from: jknezek on January 17, 2023, 01:35:47 PM
Yeah. I mean, Sewanee has been a dead end long before Coach Rundle got there, and there was some suspicion he was on his way out soon anyway, one way or the other. So this was... quite a fortuitous opening.

I wish him well. Maybe getting out of Sewanee will shine a different light.

For sure. It's difficult to wax poetic about a coach who went 11-50 over six seasons. My comments were more in the creative way the article painted the proverbial turd. A lack of success at Sewanee in no way, shape, or form means a lack of success at Albion, and like you, I wish him some success. Some, not in Holland or when Hope travels to Sprankle-Sprandel, but otherwise...

If you read the Sewanee release it is just as creative.

https://sewaneetigers.com/news/2023/1/17/staff-changes-announced-for-the-university-of-the-south-football-program.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on January 18, 2023, 05:22:23 PM
Calvin held a press conference for local media and community supporters today to introduce coach Figg. It sounds like the plan is to hopefully recruit 40-50 players for next fall to have a season of practices and internal scrimmages. Then recruit another class of 40-50 to play a regular schedule in the fall of 2024 (with freshmen and sophomores).

That's going to be a tall task, and I'm sure the 2024 season will be a rough one.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2023, 11:24:39 PM
It might be a rough one, but that's a pretty traditional ramp-up for a D-III football program.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: oldknight on January 23, 2023, 06:05:34 PM
Quote from: sac on December 08, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
Two of Calvin's traditional feeder schools, Holland Christian and Unity Christian have done quite well since adding football.

Would it be wrong for Calvin fans to expect a similar trajectory?

I've never posted on the d3football board, and I'm not sure I've ever even visited it. But that's changing given Calvin's decision--at last--to add the sport. As sac correctly notes, both Holland Christian and Hudsonville Unity Christian have found some success since adding football 20 years ago. Holland Christian even produced an NFL quarterback (Kirk Cousins) who completed his high school career just four seasons after the school started football.

I'm personally familiar with the challenge in starting football--at least at the high school level--because my son was a starter on the first Unity Christian team in 2003. Unity had no feeder system in place to populate the program their first year, and my son--who had played Jenison Cub Football all through grade school--was the most experienced player on the inaugural team which finished 0-9. The first team had athletes, they just had almost no football experience whatsoever. Within four years, Unity had a winning record, and the program has twice been to the MHSAA state final game, winning the championship 15 years after starting the sport. Over the years, a number of Unity football players have played and contributed at places like Hope, Wheaton and Dordt.

I met Coach Figg and talked to him at some length prior to last week's press conference. I came away very impressed. He gets it. He has no Calvin or MIAA background, but has clearly done his homework on the school and the conference. He knows there are a fair number of good, West Michigan prep football players who are natural fits for recruiting to Calvin. And while West Michigan is the base from which he begins recruiting, given his football background outside Michigan, I have no doubt he will do a lot of mining of talent outside the school's home state, much like Wheaton does.

There will be a rough patch or two the first couple of years (Calvin's book store will soon be retiring the t-shirt emblazoned "Football, Undefeated Since 1876"), but I don't think it's going to take very long for the Knights to be competing for conference championships. It won't be easy, but I think it will be easier to find football success at Calvin which--unlike my son's high school team--will start its program with players who have significant football experience coming in.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on January 25, 2023, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: oldknight on January 23, 2023, 06:05:34 PM
I don't think it's going to take very long for the Knights to be competing for conference championships. It won't be easy, but I think it will be easier to find football success at Calvin which--unlike my son's high school team--will start its program with players who have significant football experience coming in.

Using West Michigan high school success stories as encouragement for NCAA Division 3 success feels problematic. That being said, I don't feel like your expectations are unreasonable, unlike some who seem to think Calvin will be the next Mary Hardin Baylor. I think competing with Albion, Hope, Alma, and Trine for MIAA championships within the decade feels like a reasonable and attainable aspiration.

At the collegiate level, I believe you need more than just "significant football experience". Kalamazoo's team is full of players with said experience. You can have a very bad team full of players that have been playing football their entire lives. Calvin will run into the same challenge for football that we've been discussing for years regarding basketball. Recruiting against Ferris State, GVSU, and all the public state schools able to give athletic scholarships is difficult. Even more so in that, in basketball, you have 5 starters and in football you have 22. With a dwindling student body, it has been a very difficult time just getting students to come to Calvin over the last 10 years. I struggle to think that a startup football program will have significantly greater success than an admissions team that's poured time and resources into figuring out how to get more students to choose Calvin.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on January 26, 2023, 01:10:17 AM
Finlandia is probably not the best comparison given the schools are nowhere near the same but their D3 football startup has been brutal.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: jknezek on January 26, 2023, 09:00:35 AM
Quote from: sac on January 26, 2023, 01:10:17 AM
Finlandia is probably not the best comparison given the schools are nowhere near the same but their D3 football startup has been brutal.

In almost any bell curve you can think of, Finlandia is an outlier. I suspect your comment about nowhere near the same is an understatement!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on January 26, 2023, 02:23:30 PM
I think Calvin football will be successful. But to me, successful will be a competitive team by 2028. If they are playing in their own stadium and go 5-5 in the 2030 season, I will call that an extremely successful program launch. By the conversations I've had, it seems others would disagree and fully expect to be competing for conference championships and nationally relevant by then. 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
For sure, Finlandia is a tough situation. However, I think the program will eventually be decent and stable.

I think Calvin's football program will be very competitive well before the time frame that has been mentioned i.e. much earlier than some have opined here. Regarding the enrollment objective, given that football is, indeed, a different "animal" compared to the other sports, Adrian was extremely successful in that pursuit several years ago when they decided to add men/women hockey (both NCAA and the ACHA teams), men/women lacrosse, and skating. All successful, with the hockey teams winning national championships, but having been very competitive in a short time. Many people criticized that move by their President, but it was the right move for that College. Their enrollment had fallen below 1,000 for the first time in many years; it is currently 1700-1800+ and could be much larger. However, it is my understanding they want to remain at the current number(s). Of course, it didn't hurt that a couple of alumni gave $2 million for the on-campus ice arena as I recall. Having that paid for was obviously a big factor.

We've had conversations about this many times in past years regarding the effect of the football scholarship schools (DII and NAIA) having an tough impact on the MIAA schools, which has, indeed, occurred. I do not see that changing. Yet, despite that, again, while I could be wrong, I believe that Calvin is going to do well much sooner than many of us may think. I also think it will help with their enrollment. It will be interesting to follow the program and see how all of this progresses. The new coach certainly is extremely enthusiastic and appears to fit well with and believes in the MIAA and Calvin philosophy. I am very much looking forward to the first Calvin/Hope football game.   
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dutchfan on January 26, 2023, 04:49:31 PM
Although this isn't breaking news, I haven't seen it on here yet...

Hope College has landed Eli Vanderveen, 6'4" WR from Hudsonville.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2023, 08:43:53 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on January 26, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
For sure, Finlandia is a tough situation. However, I think the program will eventually be decent and stable.

I think Calvin's football program will be very competitive well before the time frame that has been mentioned i.e. much earlier than some have opined here. Regarding the enrollment objective, given that football is, indeed, a different "animal" compared to the other sports, Adrian was extremely successful in that pursuit several years ago when they decided to add men/women hockey (both NCAA and the ACHA teams), men/women lacrosse, and skating. All successful, with the hockey teams winning national championships, but having been very competitive in a short time. Many people criticized that move by their President, but it was the right move for that College. Their enrollment had fallen below 1,000 for the first time in many years; it is currently 1700-1800+ and could be much larger. However, it is my understanding they want to remain at the current number(s). Of course, it didn't hurt that a couple of alumni gave $2 million for the on-campus ice arena as I recall. Having that paid for was obviously a big factor.

We've had conversations about this many times in past years regarding the effect of the football scholarship schools (DII and NAIA) having an tough impact on the MIAA schools, which has, indeed, occurred. I do not see that changing. Yet, despite that, again, while I could be wrong, I believe that Calvin is going to do well much sooner than many of us may think. I also think it will help with their enrollment. It will be interesting to follow the program and see how all of this progresses. The new coach certainly is extremely enthusiastic and appears to fit well with and believes in the MIAA and Calvin philosophy. I am very much looking forward to the first Calvin/Hope football game.

Alas, I disagree about Finlandia.  I fear that not only will the football program never be stable or successful, I fear that the college itself will go under within the next couple of decades.

I agree with the rest of your post.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on January 30, 2023, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2023, 08:43:53 PM
Alas, I disagree about Finlandia.  I fear that not only will the football program never be stable or successful, I fear that the college itself will go under within the next couple of decades...

I would tend to lean this direction. It's hard enough running an athletic program in Houghton/Hancock. It's even harder when you're the #3 team in town (I know NMU is 90 miles away, but anyone considering Finlandia is more likely to consider Michigan Tech and NMU as well)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on February 10, 2023, 01:01:17 PM
Ride home the other night with my uncle, the topic of MIAA football and Calvin's addition came up.  He asked me how Suomi was doing. ;)



Quote from: HOPEful on January 30, 2023, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2023, 08:43:53 PM
Alas, I disagree about Finlandia.  I fear that not only will the football program never be stable or successful, I fear that the college itself will go under within the next couple of decades...

I would tend to lean this direction. It's hard enough running an athletic program in Houghton/Hancock. It's even harder when you're the #3 team in town (I know NMU is 90 miles away, but anyone considering Finlandia is more likely to consider Michigan Tech and NMU as well)

Not sure Tech and Finlandia are drawing from the same type of students.  The "Tech" is pretty specific and Tech's admission requirements are, while not high, much higher than Finlandia.  NMU and Finlandia are much more in line with each other, NMU must accept all Michigan high school graduate applications with 2.25 or higher gpa, Finlandia accepts 2.25 or higher.  Finlandia is also twice as expensive as NMU.

The amazing thing about Finlandia is how they somehow get so many students and student athletes from far off places without really any academic specialty to draw them there.  The mens basketball team has 9 guys from outside Michigan/Wisconsin.  Its sort of weird, like where's the furthest away I could go to get away from my parents.  Hancock, MI, perfect!

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on February 10, 2023, 11:29:06 PM
Quote from: sac on February 10, 2023, 01:01:17 PM
Not sure Tech and Finlandia are drawing from the same type of students.  The "Tech" is pretty specific and Tech's admission requirements are, while not high, much higher than Finlandia.
By same type, I was really just meaning those willing and seeking to attend college in the upper peninsula of Michigan.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on March 03, 2023, 12:47:17 PM
Well, you guys called it. Finlandia is closing its doors after 126 years. Really sad, although not surprising. I had held out hope that they would really make it (you know, that old mentality of a goal line stand). But as all of you mentioned, it was a tough challenge for many reasons. I believe one of the mistakes they made was not recruiting primarily from the Upper Peninsula high schools. There are a lot of good 8 man hs teams there. They would never have been an upper tier program,  but I believe could have been a decent one in their league had they followed that philosophy.  Trying to bring players in from states like Florida was never going to work, unlike how it did for other schools at times in the past (Mount Union, Olivet, etc).

I also just noticed that Dufrane had left and Joby Sullivan had been named interim hc. Dufrane must have seen the writing in the wall"  or he had some inside info this was going to happen soon. All too bad, but reality of life.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 03, 2023, 08:28:25 PM
Yeah, I predicted it, but it still came about a decade earlier than I thought it would.

RIP, Suomi College! :'(

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on March 06, 2023, 01:12:59 PM
Suomi/Finlandia's demise is long and complicated I'm sure.   Its always had an uphill battle sharing the UP with three much cheaper state schools a couple CC's and a population in the UP of just over 300,000 many who don't hold higher education as a priority.  Bottom line Finlandia was expensive.

As far as athletics and their weird roster composition, even Michigan Tech and Northern Michigan have mostly out of state athletic rosters. 

I'm not well versed on Suomi/Finlandia history but I believe Suomi was mostly a two year school and in order to survive many years ago chose to become a 4 year school.  It worked for awhile I guess and probably only prolonged its demise.


Finlandia has teachout agreements with 4 schools Michigan Tech, Bay College, Adrian and Wartburg, soon to add No. Michigan.




Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on March 24, 2023, 04:34:55 PM
Trine's 2023 Football Schedule is out.  All four non-conference games are matchups with the HCAC:  At Anderson, home RHIT, home Franklin, and at Hanover.  The MIAA schedule is the same as last year with home sites flipped.  Not a very imaginative non-conference schedule.  Would love to see a NCAC, OAC, or CCIW game in there, maybe even a WIAC. 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on March 24, 2023, 05:10:44 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on March 24, 2023, 04:34:55 PM
Trine's 2023 Football Schedule is out.  All four non-conference games are matchups with the HCAC:  At Anderson, home RHIT, home Franklin, and at Hanover.  The MIAA schedule is the same as last year with home sites flipped.  Not a very imaginative non-conference schedule.  Would love to see a NCAC, OAC, or CCIW game in there, maybe even a WIAC.

Would you call this a team deciding to play it safe as a result of only playing teams from a single conference?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 24, 2023, 06:49:06 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on March 24, 2023, 04:34:55 PM
Trine's 2023 Football Schedule is out.  All four non-conference games are matchups with the HCAC:  At Anderson, home RHIT, home Franklin, and at Hanover.  The MIAA schedule is the same as last year with home sites flipped.  Not a very imaginative non-conference schedule.  Would love to see a NCAC, OAC, or CCIW game in there, maybe even a WIAC.

I'd think of the OAC schools Heidelberg would be a nice OOC for Trine both geographically and quality.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on March 25, 2023, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 24, 2023, 06:49:06 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on March 24, 2023, 04:34:55 PM
Trine's 2023 Football Schedule is out.  All four non-conference games are matchups with the HCAC:  At Anderson, home RHIT, home Franklin, and at Hanover.  The MIAA schedule is the same as last year with home sites flipped.  Not a very imaginative non-conference schedule.  Would love to see a NCAC, OAC, or CCIW game in there, maybe even a WIAC.

I'd think of the OAC schools Heidelberg would be a nice OOC for Trine both geographically and quality.

...or Ohio Northern.  We play ONU in most non-conference schedules in other sports at Trine.  As far as Trine 'playing it safe' in the non-conference schedule I don't know.  I thought the football program wanted to bring increased competion by dropping long time rival Manchester from the football schedule, but adding Anderson last year wasn't really an upgrade.  RHIT and Hanover will be tough, don't get me wrong.  And Franklin has historically been good, but they also have had a few down years lately.   
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 30, 2023, 07:20:39 AM
Following up on the "Finlandia" discussion, here is some interesting news ... and a plug for my alma mater, the University of Dubuque.

https://udspartans.com/news/2023/4/14/mens-hockey-university-of-dubuque-to-add-mens-and-womens-hockey.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on May 18, 2023, 04:18:11 PM
Calvin football has released its 2024 schedule.

https://calvinknights.com/sports/football

That will be a roster loaded with Fresh/Soph and whatever transfers/already on campus guys they can add.  Eight weeks of football and only 2 homes for a brand new program is weird.



The "Heartland" tips that the MIAA/Heartland crossover will continue for at least a couple more years.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on May 19, 2023, 11:25:32 AM
I thought Calvin wasn't gonna play varsity until 2025. I would have reckoned they play JV next year.

One thing I know for sure, their athletics are really good overall so I wouldn't be surprised if they made some noise in the MIAA within their first 10 years.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 22, 2023, 09:32:06 PM
Quote from: The Third Division on May 19, 2023, 11:25:32 AM
I thought Calvin wasn't gonna play varsity until 2025. I would have reckoned they play JV next year.

One thing I know for sure, their athletics are really good overall so I wouldn't be surprised if they made some noise in the MIAA within their first 10 years.

No, the plan from the beginning as they said was like many of the other recently established college football programs- a season of practice followed by the first varsity season. I also believe they will be a legit/setious contender for the league title sooner than many people think.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 22, 2023, 11:19:04 PM
Breaking MIAA news:

Media reports tonight that Olivet College announced today a name change to the University of Olivet. Details and probably in effect in the near future, by the end of the summer/start of this fall semester. Not sure how I feel about this just yet-certainly a break with tradition. ??? :)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2023, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 22, 2023, 09:32:06 PM
Quote from: The Third Division on May 19, 2023, 11:25:32 AM
I thought Calvin wasn't gonna play varsity until 2025. I would have reckoned they play JV next year.

One thing I know for sure, their athletics are really good overall so I wouldn't be surprised if they made some noise in the MIAA within their first 10 years.

No, the plan from the beginning as they said was like many of the other recently established college football programs- a season of practice followed by the first varsity season. I also believe they will be a legit/setious contender for the league title sooner than many people think.


Actually, their initial announcement didn't specify:

https://calvin.edu/news/archive/football-is-coming-to-calvin-university
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 29, 2023, 08:38:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2023, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 22, 2023, 09:32:06 PM
Quote from: The Third Division on May 19, 2023, 11:25:32 AM
I thought Calvin wasn't gonna play varsity until 2025. I would have reckoned they play JV next year.

One thing I know for sure, their athletics are really good overall so I wouldn't be surprised if they made some noise in the MIAA within their first 10 years.

No, the plan from the beginning as they said was like many of the other recently established college football programs- a season of practice followed by the first varsity season. I also believe they will be a legit/setious contender for the league title sooner than many people think.


Actually, their initial announcement didn't specify:

https://calvin.edu/news/archive/football-is-coming-to-calvin-university

That is correct, Pat. My mis-statement as I should have clarified that my info on that was from an alum source who knew what the intent was.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: wally_wabash on May 30, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: sac on May 18, 2023, 04:18:11 PM
Calvin football has released its 2024 schedule.

https://calvinknights.com/sports/football

That will be a roster loaded with Fresh/Soph and whatever transfers/already on campus guys they can add.  Eight weeks of football and only 2 homes for a brand new program is weird.



The "Heartland" tips that the MIAA/Heartland crossover will continue for at least a couple more years.

I hope the MIAA can accommodate Hope-Calvin in Week 11 sooner rather than later.  Feels like that game absolutely belongs in the final week of the season. 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 30, 2023, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 30, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: sac on May 18, 2023, 04:18:11 PM
Calvin football has released its 2024 schedule.

https://calvinknights.com/sports/football

That will be a roster loaded with Fresh/Soph and whatever transfers/already on campus guys they can add.  Eight weeks of football and only 2 homes for a brand new program is weird.



The "Heartland" tips that the MIAA/Heartland crossover will continue for at least a couple more years.

I hope the MIAA can accommodate Hope-Calvin in Week 11 sooner rather than later.  Feels like that game absolutely belongs in the final week of the season.

I have that feeling, too, Wally! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on May 30, 2023, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 30, 2023, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on May 30, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: sac on May 18, 2023, 04:18:11 PM
Calvin football has released its 2024 schedule.

https://calvinknights.com/sports/football

That will be a roster loaded with Fresh/Soph and whatever transfers/already on campus guys they can add.  Eight weeks of football and only 2 homes for a brand new program is weird.



The "Heartland" tips that the MIAA/Heartland crossover will continue for at least a couple more years.

I hope the MIAA can accommodate Hope-Calvin in Week 11 sooner rather than later.  Feels like that game absolutely belongs in the final week of the season.

I have that feeling, too, Wally! ;)
That last game in November is usually a cold, snowy, nasty day.  If I were Calvin/Hope I'd want those rivalry football games to fall on a nice Indian Summer October Saturday, maybe in conjunction with Homecoming to maximize the biggest crowd of the season.  Even with a rilvary game, if it's a brutal November Saturday outside, it will hurt attendance.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on May 30, 2023, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on May 30, 2023, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 30, 2023, 03:14:08 PM


Quote from: wally_wabash on May 30, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: sac on May 18, 2023, 04:18:11 PM
Calvin football has released its 2024 schedule.

https://calvinknights.com/sports/football

That will be a roster loaded with Fresh/Soph and whatever transfers/already on campus guys they can add.  Eight weeks of football and only 2 homes for a brand new program is weird.



The "Heartland" tips that the MIAA/Heartland crossover will continue for at least a couple more years.

I hope the MIAA can accommodate Hope-Calvin in Week 11 sooner rather than later.  Feels like that game absolutely belongs in the final week of the season.

I have that feeling, too, Wally! ;)
That last game in November is usually a cold, snowy, nasty day.  If I were Calvin/Hope I'd want those rivalry football games to fall on a nice Indian Summer October Saturday, maybe in conjunction with Homecoming to maximize the biggest crowd of the season.  Even with a rilvary game, if it's a brutal November Saturday outside, it will hurt attendance.

That would most likely be the situation with the exception of two situations, IMO: 1) the very first game (attendance at that one will be huge, regardless of when they would have scheduled it-which has been announced as Nov 3rd for the inaugural season) and 2) if/when that game would ever be for the championship, regardless of the weather. However, the latter situation will likely not occur for several years. Plus, the first two Saturdays off Nov are not always guaranteed nasty weather days. Of course, none of that is predictable. Nonetheless, it will be exciting to see what attendance will be for the inaugural game.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 14, 2023, 09:36:44 PM
Update on Calvin University athletics, with a particular eye on football.  There has been a !ot of construction activitiy on campus this summer.  On the west campus there us a new, artificial turf soccer field complete with lights for night games.  The running track no longer exists there, as it is being relocated to the east campus.   I don't know the time line for construction of the football facilities, but the football field and stands will be built in the area of the new soccer field.   Also to be built in this location is a locker room for football.
On the east campus, a new track and field facility is being built.  I believe the underlayment of the new track is in place with the running surface soon to come.  Just north of the new track facility will be a lacrosse and second soccer field. The Knights have two scrimmages scheduled for this Fall with a full MIAA schedule to be played in 2024 with games to be played at Grand Rapids Christian High School until the Calvin campus "stadium" is completed.

Another note:  Hope opens its home season Sept. 9 against Loras College, Dubuque, Iowa.  Loras is the cross town rival of my alma mater, the University is Dubuque (UD).  The Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (IIAC) now known as the American Rivers Conference (ARC) had its 2019 champion Warburg College beat Hope in the first round of D3 playoffs.  Hope also has played American Rivers Conference member Coe College. So I hold out hope (bad pun) that one if these days I will get to see a Hope - UD matchup.

The 2023 season is getting closer.  I will be in Holland on September 9 ... its about time.

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 18, 2023, 05:45:33 PM
MIAA 2023 Preseason Football Coaches Poll


1.   Alma       8 points   5 first place votes
2.   Hope     11 points   2 first place votes
3.   Trine     15 points   
4.   Albion   23 points   
5.   Adrian   27 points   
6.   Olivet   28 points   
7.   Kalamazoo   35 points   

I think there will be lots of parity this year.  Alma was the surprise of last year by far, being led by a Freshman at QB and RB.  Not surprisingly they are picked to repeat.  Albion is usually in the top two, but sliding to four this year, maybe their graduation losses are more significant than the other schools?  Trine has a handful of 5th year guys coming back, most notably their returning QB and starting RB.  Hope is always tough year in year out.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on August 22, 2023, 09:52:09 AM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 18, 2023, 05:45:33 PM
Alma was the surprise of last year by far, being led by a Freshman at QB and RB.

This is an understatement, even with the "by far"... Alma was preseason picked to finish 6th, only ahead of Kzoo by the coaches. Even going into the game against Albion, few were giving them their due.

This season, Williams and St. John have gone from unknowns to studs with giant targets on their backs.

Hope starts their season next Saturday with a tough matchup at Aurora.
When MIAA play starts, it might be over shortly after it begins. Alma hosts Trine on Sept. 30th for their homecoming. Then two weeks later heads to Holland to play Hope for their homecoming.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 25, 2023, 05:32:08 PM
Trine 2023 FB roster is up.  A quick look at the numbers:

Freshman - 117
Sophomores - 61
Juniors - 26
Seniors/Gr - 36

State roster breakdown:

Indiana - 118
Michigan - 65
Ohio - 24
Florida - 16
Illinois - 4
Alabama - 2
Virginia - 2
Utah -2 (Utah?? - how did they find Trine?)
Colorado - 1
Georgia - 1
Kentucky - 1
Louisiana - 1
Tennessee - 1
Texas - 1
Washington - 1

Roster Total 240...that a lot of guys to supply uniforms to.  Noticed that most on the roster share same uniform number with at least one other guy and sometimes 2 other guys.

Some position observations:  most players by position is OL with 36, ILB has a full room with 27, RB has 23 with 16 of them freshman, 7 kickers, and what really stood out is 13 QB's which includes 7 freshmen QB's.  Anyone need a QB? We have plenty to spare.  ::)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on August 28, 2023, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 25, 2023, 05:32:08 PM
Some position observations:  most players by position is OL with 36, ILB has a full room with 27, RB has 23 with 16 of them freshman, 7 kickers, and what really stood out is 13 QB's which includes 7 freshmen QB's.  Anyone need a QB? We have plenty to spare.  ::)

This seems bonkers to me... I just don't understand. I'll give the freshmen a pass, but if you're 6th on the QB depth chart, with 7 freshman coming in, what are you doing? Or 20th on the OL depth chart?

I'm familiar with scrimmaging 1sts v. 2nds.  Not so with 5ths v 6ths.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan27 on August 29, 2023, 01:22:44 PM
240 on roster (more than 1 in 10 students, and maybe 1 in 4 males walking around campus, which corresponds in % to many these days in D-3). 117 frosh ... a desperate necessity to stay in business?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 29, 2023, 02:32:59 PM
Trine is a pretty big D3 by most enrollment standards now.   5,500 last year but I don't know what exactly that counts.  That would make them the largest in the MIAA by about 2,300
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Spartan27 on August 29, 2023, 04:27:43 PM
I was going by the 2,046 reported on the D3 page, which I assume would be the number on campus from which football players would come.  They reported some 9,500 last spring, which includes 4,000 at some sort of Detroit center, plus thousands more, surely part-timers, at various other centers.   
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on August 29, 2023, 06:03:11 PM
The football roster numbers are somewhat inflated due to the extra year of eligibility granted due to the 2020 Covid season.  Trine has several 5th year seniors who elected to play another year, which makes the senior class larger compared to what the typical senior class would look like.  I'm sure it's that way at many D3 schools.  Trine always pulls in a hefty freshman class in football, but that number drops significantly once they become sophomores as many guys realize they will probably never see the field and elect to concentrate on academics, or perhaps transfer to another school.  And I agree about why you would come to a school as a freshman QB knowing that your class includes numerous other freshman QB's?  I would seriously consider looking at other schools.  This season Trine's QB elected to take his Covid option to come back for a 5th year, and it will be his 4th year as a starter.  So it hasn't been great for other QB's on the roster at Trine to see action on the field, other than mop up duty on occasion.

Trine's enrollment at the Angola campus, by my guess, is closer to 2200-2300, of which over 40% are in the school of engineering.  I can never find a breakdown when Trine publishes their total enrollment, which in 2022 was 8400, as that enrollment number includes their satellite campuses in Fort Wayne, Detroit and Phoenix, plus those enrolled in TrineOnline.  Trine University is by no means 'desperate to stay in business'.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on August 29, 2023, 10:44:28 PM
22-2300 seems more reasonable given the visible housing around campus and would match the "1 in 10" students comment.  That would put them #3 in MIAA enrollment I think, behind Hope and Calvin.



I just noticed Hope had a higher enrollment than Calvin last year, I'm not sure if thats been the case recently but that really surprised me.  Times have changed for sure. 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HansenRatings on August 30, 2023, 11:23:00 AM
Playoff projections for the season using my model's preseason ratings:

(https://i.imgur.com/mH4PL6b.png)

You can look at other conferences on my website: https://hansenratings.github.io/ (https://hansenratings.github.io/).
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on September 02, 2023, 09:52:25 AM
Quote from: HOPEful on August 28, 2023, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 25, 2023, 05:32:08 PM
Some position observations:  most players by position is OL with 36, ILB has a full room with 27, RB has 23 with 16 of them freshman, 7 kickers, and what really stood out is 13 QB's which includes 7 freshmen QB's.  Anyone need a QB? We have plenty to spare.  ::)

This seems bonkers to me... I just don't understand. I'll give the freshmen a pass, but if you're 6th on the QB depth chart, with 7 freshman coming in, what are you doing? Or 20th on the OL depth chart?

I'm familiar with scrimmaging 1sts v. 2nds.  Not so with 5ths v 6ths.

The big steps down as you go by class tells me freshmen are OK coming in and not expecting to play but by the time players reach upperclassman status they are probably either getting playing time or are dropping off the roster.

117 freshmen does seem crazy and that would have nothing to do with the covid year of extra eligibility. The understanding I have gained from starting to follow along as Calvin is starting their program is that somewhere around 100 would be a TOTAL roster. I'm assuming Trine's roster size is a major outlier?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 02, 2023, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: ziggy on September 02, 2023, 09:52:25 AM
Quote from: HOPEful on August 28, 2023, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 25, 2023, 05:32:08 PM
Some position observations:  most players by position is OL with 36, ILB has a full room with 27, RB has 23 with 16 of them freshman, 7 kickers, and what really stood out is 13 QB's which includes 7 freshmen QB's.  Anyone need a QB? We have plenty to spare.  ::)

This seems bonkers to me... I just don't understand. I'll give the freshmen a pass, but if you're 6th on the QB depth chart, with 7 freshman coming in, what are you doing? Or 20th on the OL depth chart?

I'm familiar with scrimmaging 1sts v. 2nds.  Not so with 5ths v 6ths.

The big steps down as you go by class tells me freshmen are OK coming in and not expecting to play but by the time players reach upperclassman status they are probably either getting playing time or are dropping off the roster.

117 freshmen does seem crazy and that would have nothing to do with the covid year of extra eligibility. The understanding I have gained from starting to follow along as Calvin is starting their program is that somewhere around 100 would be a TOTAL roster. I'm assuming Trine's roster size is a major outlier?

Trine's incoming freshman football class has always been 100+, that has been the norm for quite some time.  D3 recruiting is far different than recruiting at an athletic scholarship program.  I imagine most of the MIAA schools are 'offering' the same kids, so it is very common for a good player to have several options on where to go to school.  The incoming classes at Trine are probably a combination of those who ultimately select your school, plus many others that you may not have recruited, but end up at your school to see if they can keep playing the sport they loved in high school.  There are no 'cuts', so if you want to suit up your freshman year you can.  Then by the time they become sophomores the class is reduced by at least half.  It's always been that way, kids think they can contribute, but then find out that they are so far down the depth chart that they'll probably never see the field in a varsity game.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2023, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: ziggy on September 02, 2023, 09:52:25 AM
Quote from: HOPEful on August 28, 2023, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 25, 2023, 05:32:08 PM
Some position observations:  most players by position is OL with 36, ILB has a full room with 27, RB has 23 with 16 of them freshman, 7 kickers, and what really stood out is 13 QB's which includes 7 freshmen QB's.  Anyone need a QB? We have plenty to spare.  ::)

This seems bonkers to me... I just don't understand. I'll give the freshmen a pass, but if you're 6th on the QB depth chart, with 7 freshman coming in, what are you doing? Or 20th on the OL depth chart?

I'm familiar with scrimmaging 1sts v. 2nds.  Not so with 5ths v 6ths.

The big steps down as you go by class tells me freshmen are OK coming in and not expecting to play but by the time players reach upperclassman status they are probably either getting playing time or are dropping off the roster.

117 freshmen does seem crazy and that would have nothing to do with the covid year of extra eligibility. The understanding I have gained from starting to follow along as Calvin is starting their program is that somewhere around 100 would be a TOTAL roster. I'm assuming Trine's roster size is a major outlier?

As of about five years ago, the average D-III roster was about 105.

The outliers are at about 175 and above, and 50 and below.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 09, 2023, 10:24:14 PM
Undisciplined play cost us the game tonight.  Credit to RHIT though, they came out and jumped on us early, led 24-7 at half.  Trine left too many points on the field.  Close to 600 yeards of total offense for naught.  Three times we had dead ball personal fouls by our offensive line which cost us the game.  Late in the second quarter we had a first and goal at the 10 and the PF by a lineman pushed us back and we missed a FG right before half.  Then the same thing happended twice again in the 4th quarter.  Had a nice running play down to the 1 yd line, and after the whisle blew our offensive lineman peeled a defender off the pile, you just can't do that.  We end up missing another field goal.  Then we get the ball back one last time, under 2 minutes, no time outs, 90 yards for the win.  We drive down the field, get in field goal range around the 15, then it happens again, another dead ball PF on an offensive lineman.  We have a long 45 yd FG blocked with 7 seconds to go and that was the game.  Gut wrenching loss.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 13, 2023, 07:24:29 AM
Congrats to Terrell Harris (WR) at Hope on being named to the D3football Team of the Week!

https://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2023/week2

RET Terrell Harris, Sr., Hope
Harris returned a punt a Hope-record 90 yards for a touchdown during a 42-28 win vs. Loras. The return broke a 64-year school record of 79 yards. Hope trailed 14-0 until Harris put the Flying Dutchmen on the board three minutes into the second quarter and breathed life into a struggling team. He later caught a 34-yard touchdown pass that tied the score 58 seconds before halftime.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: monsoon on September 27, 2023, 11:06:32 AM
Great story on Hope's Derik Smith:

https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2023/hope-derik-smith-football-not-feetball (https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2023/hope-derik-smith-football-not-feetball)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 08, 2023, 02:07:13 PM
Its awfully quiet on the MIAA chat these days.  In miserable conditions yesterday, Hope's defense shut down Albion's offense to hold the Britons to two field goals in their 14-6 loss.  This sets up next Saturday's Alma-Hope contest as critical for either team's aspirations for the MIAA Conference title along with hopes for a D3 playoff bid.  Any comments?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on October 18, 2023, 04:16:59 PM
Adrian's head football coach has resigned mid-season.  See link.

https://www.d3football.com/notables/2023/10/adrian-changes-coaches-midseason
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 19, 2023, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 08, 2023, 02:07:13 PM
Its awfully quiet on the MIAA chat these days.  In miserable conditions yesterday, Hope's defense shut down Albion's offense to hold the Britons to two field goals in their 14-6 loss.  This sets up next Saturday's Alma-Hope contest as critical for either team's aspirations for the MIAA Conference title along with hopes for a D3 playoff bid.  Any comments?

I've been making my football posts pretty exclusively on the R4 Fan Poll thread.

As excited as I was about Hope's hard-fought win over Albion, I didn't go into the homecoming matchup against Alma last week with much optimism. Carter St. John and Eddie Williams are just really, really good. I'd love to see a John Carroll or Mount Union matchup for the Alma deeper in the playoffs. It would be a great barometer for how they match up with the best in the region. It definitely feels like until those guys are no longer at Alma, they'll be closer to the big boys regionally and nationally than the rest of the MIAA is to them...
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Jay Murry on October 20, 2023, 12:58:42 PM

Hello All,

While I will be following from afar WashU's efforts against North Central, it won't be idle following.

I will be in the midst of my Rett Gets Rocked 2023 24-hour ultramarathon at WashU to raise awareness of Rett syndrome and research funds to find a cure.  I'm starting around 8:00 Friday night (after I provide the call for the WashU-Saint Louis U. swimming and diving meet), and ending at 8:00 Saturday night. 

Rett syndrome is a neurological disorder caused by a gene mutation on the X chromosome.  It lays in the weeds until a child is between 6-18 months old, just when a child is learning to walk and talk.  Rett is like Lucy in the Peanuts comic strip when she pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown, as he tries to kick it.  Unlike Charlie Brown...when Rett pulls the ball away from children, they don't get a chance to get up and try again.  Children go into severe neurological regression; many end up in wheelchairs and most lose the ability to talk and to do sign language.  Those with Rett also are prone to seizures, extreme nerve pain, GI issues, breathing abnormalities, and eating difficulties that can all be life-threatening.

Researchers are relentless, providing hope on two fronts.  Back in March of this year, Daybue became the first FDA-approved drug to target the effects of Rett syndrome.  Daybue helps blunt some of the seizures and has helped improve some vocal and gross motor skills.  Gene replacement therapy clinical trials in two North American locations have helped one patient sit up independently for the first time in a decade, and to grasp objects for the first time since infancy.

It is this momentum of hope and progress that I am trying to assist and perpetuate.

If you would like to make a donation, click on this Rett Racers link:  https://rettracers.funraise.org/fundraiser/jaymurry

The families of children who have Rett and fight a tough fight every day, will be very grateful for your help.

Thank you for your time and consideration, and enjoy the games this weekend!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 20, 2023, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on October 19, 2023, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 08, 2023, 02:07:13 PM
Its awfully quiet on the MIAA chat these days.  In miserable conditions yesterday, Hope's defense shut down Albion's offense to hold the Britons to two field goals in their 14-6 loss.  This sets up next Saturday's Alma-Hope contest as critical for either team's aspirations for the MIAA Conference title along with hopes for a D3 playoff bid.  Any comments?

I've been making my football posts pretty exclusively on the R4 Fan Poll thread.

As excited as I was about Hope's hard-fought win over Albion, I didn't go into the homecoming matchup against Alma last week with much optimism. Carter St. John and Eddie Williams are just really, really good. I'd love to see a John Carroll or Mount Union matchup for the Alma deeper in the playoffs. It would be a great barometer for how they match up with the best in the region. It definitely feels like until those guys are no longer at Alma, they'll be closer to the big boys regionally and nationally than the rest of the MIAA is to them...

I wholeheartedly disagree.  Yes, Alma beat Hope, and those two players for the Scots are extremely talented.  But you need to rewatch or check the stats on the Hope/ Alma game if you think Alma is that far above the rest of the MIAA.  Alma did put up 457 yards on Hope, but Hope put up 327 on Alma.  Scoring wise, the real difference in this game were the two Alma scores in the 1st Q.  The first was the early interception that gave Alma the ball at the 4 yd line - easy score, and then after Hope tied it up, a 94yd kickoff return for a TD. 

I also don't believe the Scots (or anyone in the MIAA for that matter) is anywhere close to JCU or MU at this point. 
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 25, 2023, 08:56:47 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 20, 2023, 03:01:33 PM
...But you need to rewatch or check the stats on the Hope/ Alma game if you think Alma is that far above the rest of the MIAA.  Alma did put up 457 yards on Hope, but Hope put up 327 on Alma.  Scoring wise, the real difference in this game were the two Alma scores in the 1st Q.  The first was the early interception that gave Alma the ball at the 4 yd line - easy score, and then after Hope tied it up, a 94yd kickoff return for a TD. 

I also don't believe the Scots (or anyone in the MIAA for that matter) is anywhere close to JCU or MU at this point.

Did we watch different second halves, lol? Alma missed a 28 yard field goal to go into halftime. They then came out with what should have been 4 straight TD drives (Hope stopped them on the goal line on downs) They make that field goal and get in the endzone there, the final is 45-17. And 45-17 is how that whole second half felt, like Hope still had a chance technically, but not really.

I'd love to see a John Carroll v Alma game. I think it'd be close.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 25, 2023, 11:50:20 AM


Alma is dominating the MIAA.  There is a wide gap to competing with the best teams nationally.  Maybe this Alma team is different, but probably not.  The MIAA owns 9 NCAA tournament wins in 45 years, 5 belong to Albion 93 and 94.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 25, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Quote from: sac on October 25, 2023, 11:50:20 AM
Alma is dominating the MIAA.  There is a wide gap to competing with the best teams nationally.  Maybe this Alma team is different, but probably not.  The MIAA owns 9 NCAA tournament wins in 45 years, 5 belong to Albion 93 and 94.
100% That's why I say, "i'd like to see them play"... more of a statement of lament that it won't happen. Last year they got Aurora after beating MSJ though, so who knows?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 25, 2023, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on October 25, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Quote from: sac on October 25, 2023, 11:50:20 AM
Alma is dominating the MIAA.  There is a wide gap to competing with the best teams nationally.  Maybe this Alma team is different, but probably not.  The MIAA owns 9 NCAA tournament wins in 45 years, 5 belong to Albion 93 and 94.
100% That's why I say, "i'd like to see them play"... more of a statement of lament that it won't happen. Last year they got Aurora after beating MSJ though, so who knows?

Well that seems to be quite a bit different than this statement (at least that's how it comes across to me):

Quote from: HOPEful on October 19, 2023, 10:36:01 AM
As excited as I was about Hope's hard-fought win over Albion, I didn't go into the homecoming matchup against Alma last week with much optimism. Carter St. John and Eddie Williams are just really, really good. I'd love to see a John Carroll or Mount Union matchup for the Alma deeper in the playoffs. It would be a great barometer for how they match up with the best in the region. It definitely feels like until those guys are no longer at Alma, they'll be closer to the big boys regionally and nationally than the rest of the MIAA is to them...
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on October 25, 2023, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 25, 2023, 03:52:05 PM
Well that seems to be quite a bit different than this statement (at least that's how it comes across to me)...

Just as Mount Union has earned and will always get the benefit of the doubt... so too the MIAA has earned NOT getting the benefit of the doubt. So when it comes to a year and a team like Alma this year, it's 100% fair to say, "I'll believe it when I see it in the playoffs against a "good" team"

My opinion is that this Alma team is the best MIAA team I've seen since... maybe Trine in 2010, maybe ever (I watched Albion in 1994 as a kid, but don't remember anything about it or the team other than watching it) So yes, I believe that there is still a earned and perceived gap between ANY MIAA, HCAC, or NCAC team and Mount Union and John Carroll. But I stick by the statement that I believe that gap is narrower this year for Alma than the gap between them and the rest of the MIAA.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on October 25, 2023, 07:57:13 PM
Kind of interesting to look back at 1994  (check out those conferences)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_NCAA_Division_III_football_season

How about only 16 teams and the WIAC champ wasn't one of them.

Albion won 4 close games including a 1 point W over Mt. Union that I think was sort of heroic as was the win over St. John's.  I kind of recall maybe the Albion/St. John's game being played in heavy snow.     Doesn't seem that long ago but hitting 30 years next year. 


https://www.albion1994.com/season/   I recognize several names here and have bumped into 2 or 3 over the years in weird places and worked with one of their brothers for a time.

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: GoYeo on November 17, 2023, 07:31:35 PM
Adrian College hired a great man and a great coach today. I along with my 3 brothers, had the honor of playing for him at Saline and had the utmost respect for him and the way that he ran the program. Adrian got better as a program today, I look forward to seeing what Coach Palka can do for Adrian.

https://adrianbulldogs.com/news/2023/11/17/general-joe-palka-named-24th-head-coach-of-adrian-college-football.aspx
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 17, 2023, 10:27:42 PM
I second the hire of Joe Palka being a great move. He was on staff at Adrian in 02-03 when I was a junior and while he wasn't my position coach you could tell he was a good one. Since then I've had friends that worked with him at EMU and at Saline. Hell hit the ground running and should have things turned around there quickly I hope. I look forward to having a chance to meet him once he gets settled in, can't imagined he remembers me from Adam from one season at Adrian 20 years ago!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 20, 2023, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on October 19, 2023, 10:36:01 AM
I'd love to see a John Carroll or Mount Union matchup for the Alma deeper in the playoffs. It would be a great barometer for how they match up with the best in the region. It definitely feels like until those guys are no longer at Alma, they'll be closer to the big boys regionally and nationally than the rest of the MIAA is to them...

So you got your wish with the Scots off to play at Mt Union in the 2nd round.  With the Purple Raiders being very heavy favorites - Massey predicts a 91% chance of a Mt Union win with a predicted score of 41-17 - I'm curious what kind of result woudld you consider to be a "success/steps in the right direction" for Alma.  And yes, I think all of the MIAA (myself included) would love to see the Scots take down Mt Union in a massive upset.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 20, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 20, 2023, 12:59:51 PM
So you got your wish with the Scots off to play at Mt Union in the 2nd round.  With the Purple Raiders being very heavy favorites - Massey predicts a 91% chance of a Mt Union win with a predicted score of 41-17 - I'm curious what kind of result woudld you consider to be a "success/steps in the right direction" for Alma.  And yes, I think all of the MIAA (myself included) would love to see the Scots take down Mt Union in a massive upset.

Alma beating DePauw in a game they never trailed and that was never in doubt is already a great step... now, for the next opponent, it's so hard to say. Mount beat JCU 49-14, and John Carroll is a very, very good team. Would losing similarly mean Alma's not where they hoped they'd be... I don't think so.

Here are my own personal, incremental barometers...

1. Alma finds some success on offense. (The most points Mount Union has allowed in a game this year is 17. I'd love to see Alma eclipse 20+ but double digits would still be much more palatable than getting skunked)

2. Alma takes care of the ball. (JCU felt still in the game against Mount up to the pick six that brought the score from 21-7 to 28-7...)

3. Mount is forced to punt. (Mount doesn't have to punt all that often, finding success on defense would be  amazing... but I'm just not sure Alma's defense can keep up.)

4. The game is still within reach the longer it goes on (Baldwin Wallace lost to Mount 41-17 but the 24-10 halftime score feels like a small victory.)

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 20, 2023, 03:05:26 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 20, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 20, 2023, 12:59:51 PM
So you got your wish with the Scots off to play at Mt Union in the 2nd round.  With the Purple Raiders being very heavy favorites - Massey predicts a 91% chance of a Mt Union win with a predicted score of 41-17 - I'm curious what kind of result woudld you consider to be a "success/steps in the right direction" for Alma.  And yes, I think all of the MIAA (myself included) would love to see the Scots take down Mt Union in a massive upset.

Alma beating DePauw in a game they never trailed and that was never in doubt is already a great step... now, for the next opponent, it's so hard to say. Mount beat JCU 49-14, and John Carroll is a very, very good team. Would losing similarly mean Alma's not where they hoped they'd be... I don't think so.

Here are my own personal, incremental barometers...

1. Alma finds some success on offense. (The most points Mount Union has allowed in a game this year is 17. I'd love to see Alma eclipse 20+ but double digits would still be much more palatable than getting skunked)

2. Alma takes care of the ball. (JCU felt still in the game against Mount up to the pick six that brought the score from 21-7 to 28-7...)

3. Mount is forced to punt. (Mount doesn't have to punt all that often, finding success on defense would be  amazing... but I'm just not sure Alma's defense can keep up.)

4. The game is still within reach the longer it goes on (Baldwin Wallace lost to Mount 41-17 but the 24-10 halftime score feels like a small victory.)

Thanks HOPEful - I think those points are all good.  As you said, it will be great for it to be "a game" at halftime.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 20, 2023, 03:55:23 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 20, 2023, 03:05:26 PM
Thanks HOPEful - I think those points are all good.  As you said, it will be great for it to be "a game" at halftime.

I've been very high on Alma all year. And still am. But Mount Union is so dominant on both sides of the ball. I really hope they can find some offensive success, but I just have a difficult time seeing how their defense is going to hold Mount Union's offense to under 35 points.

If they lost 38-17, it would be the best anyone has done against Mount so far this year...
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 20, 2023, 09:37:06 PM
Mount Union is taking the Alma Scots very seriously and will bring their A game come this Saturday. The Raiders did not have a few key players last Saturday including their best defender Rossy Moore # 1 who will play Saturday along with their starting Tight end.

Against the top Defense in D3, Alma will need to utilize their weapons and stay in the game for 4 quarters. John Carroll had a very good team this year, great QB and running game. The result was JCU inability to stop the Mount offense. For decades one big difference for Mount vs. all their opponents is Speed. Their team speed is on another level which you will see on Saturday.

Safe travels to all from Alma. Weather is forecasted dry and low 40's temperature.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 20, 2023, 10:09:33 PM
As I mentioned previously, I've seen Alma play three times this year. Indeed, they are a very explosive team. As has been noted here and over on the OAC board, Alma  has a great passing game. My take on the game is that if Mount shuts down Alma's running game and the Scots have to rely mainly on their passing game, their QB cannot afford to have an off day, even though Mount's secondary has struggled at times throughout the season. My fear is that Alma comes out strong and shocks the Raiders early, but then implodes , in part, due to the "Mount factor,' regardless of the fact that Mount is still a very, very good team. That would be similar to back in 2007 when Hope traveled to Mount in the first round, shocked the Raiders on the opening drive, but were stuffed at the goal line and never recovered. I hope that doesn't happen to Alma and would love to see a great competative game. I'm obviously rooting for Alma, but good luck to both teams for a great and safe contest for all.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 21, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 20, 2023, 09:37:06 PM
For decades one big difference for Mount vs. all their opponents is Speed. Their team speed is on another level which you will see on Saturday.

Quote from: HOPEful on November 20, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
...Mount is forced to punt. (Mount doesn't have to punt all that often, finding success on defense would be amazing... but I'm just not sure Alma's defense can keep up.)...

I hear you and 100% was referring to that speed when I said I'm not sure Alma can keep up. I am worried about both side of the ball but am much more worried about Alma's defense being overwhelmed than I am their offense.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 21, 2023, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 21, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 20, 2023, 09:37:06 PM
For decades one big difference for Mount vs. all their opponents is Speed. Their team speed is on another level which you will see on Saturday.

Quote from: HOPEful on November 20, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
...Mount is forced to punt. (Mount doesn't have to punt all that often, finding success on defense would be amazing... but I'm just not sure Alma's defense can keep up.)...


I hear you and 100% was referring to that speed when I said I'm not sure Alma can keep up. I am worried about both side of the ball but am much more worried about Alma's defense being overwhelmed than I am their offense.

It would be nice if Alma brought their fans in numbers, but it is a long drive especially on a holiday weekend.

Mount Union  (Kehres) is the oldest stadium in Ohio (1913) with a great atmosphere
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 22, 2023, 08:12:24 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 21, 2023, 09:10:49 PM
It would be nice if Alma brought their fans in numbers, but it is a long drive especially on a holiday weekend.

I wouldn't get your hopes too high.. this is picture of the away stands for the Alma @ Hope game earlier this year. The game was in many ways a de facto MIAA championship game and three hours closer to Alma than Alliance. Alma doesn't have a reputation for travelling well...

(https://tinypic.host/images/2023/11/22/hope.png)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: formerd3db on November 22, 2023, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 22, 2023, 08:12:24 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 21, 2023, 09:10:49 PM
It would be nice if Alma brought their fans in numbers, but it is a long drive especially on a holiday weekend.

I wouldn't get your hopes too high.. this is picture of the away stands for the Alma @ Hope game earlier this year. The game was in many ways a de facto MIAA championship game and three hours closer to Alma than Alliance. Alma doesn't have a reputation for travelling well...

(https://tinypic.host/images/2023/11/22/hope.png)

The day of the Hope game, it had been raining extremely heavily that morning for several hours prior until right up to the start of the contest (and 24 hours before as well.) That affected attendance at the game for both teams. Actually, Alma fans travel just as well as any of the MIAA teams. They had about the same amount fans as Albion did at the last game of the season at Albion's Sprankle-Sprandle Stadium at Fraser-Schmidt Field.

That said, Raider68 is right as attendance at the 2nd round playoff games has traditionally been poor due to it being the Thanksgiving holiday weekend. This is, of course, unavoidable. Such occurs even at Mount Union's home stadium despit their having had some great teams in the past, including in their best national championship years. I know this is true because I have attended playoff games there that same weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: raider-in-law on November 22, 2023, 07:28:34 PM
Another reason for poor attendance is  Ohio ST. , Michigan game . Even more interesting since Mount's opponent is also from ichigan   . Only reason I'm here is to hopefully get this off page 666 . Have a greatThanksgiving .
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on November 23, 2023, 10:16:52 AM
formerD3db,

Please check your PM's
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 27, 2023, 09:56:09 AM
What a win by Alma on Saturday.  Saw numerous comments and congrats here, but then the board blew up, and it looks like we lost 3-4 days worth of posts.  Guess that's what happens when you pull of the massive upset.  Congratulations to the Scots!!!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: bluestreak66 on November 27, 2023, 10:12:02 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 27, 2023, 09:56:09 AM
What a win by Alma on Saturday.  Saw numerous comments and congrats here, but then the board blew up, and it looks like we lost 3-4 days worth of posts.  Guess that's what happens when you pull of the massive upset.  Congratulations to the Scots!!!

I thought this and the OAC boards seemed sparse. I just assumed everyone had tuned out for Thanksgiving like me lol
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 27, 2023, 10:27:08 AM
Huge shout out to Alma knocking off Mount Union. A great win for Alma and the conference as far as credibility going forward. That Alma defense really shows what you can do when you retain your kids and get a whole unit along as Seniors.

I havent popped in since Adrian made their coaching hire either so Ill do that here. I think that Joe Palka hire was a great move, hes got an awesome track record with the HS and can build programs up as he did at Toledo Whitmer and Saline which is a plus. Should be brining in a good staff as well and he has some quality collegiate experience as well so hes not a novice in that regard. He was actually the LB coach at Adrian my junior year in 2002, could tell he was a great coach who cared about the kids when he was there. Cant wait until he gets settles in so I can head up and make introductions as I cant imagine he remembers me from 20 years ago when he coached the opposite side of the ball. Expectations for him are gonna be quick improvement and hopefully we see a boost to recruiting and retention as well as Alumni outreach.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 27, 2023, 10:29:10 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on November 21, 2023, 09:10:49 PM
Mount Union  (Kehres) is the oldest stadium in Ohio (1913) with a great atmosphere

We played them when I was coaching at Adrian in 2014 its a really cool facility. I was taking pictures like a tourist pre game, got to meet Larry Kehres too which was awesome. Did it used to be a race track before it was a football stadium? The stands opposite the press box give a race track kind of vibe.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: D3fanboy on November 27, 2023, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on November 27, 2023, 10:12:02 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 27, 2023, 09:56:09 AM
What a win by Alma on Saturday.  Saw numerous comments and congrats here, but then the board blew up, and it looks like we lost 3-4 days worth of posts.  Guess that's what happens when you pull of the massive upset.  Congratulations to the Scots!!!

I thought this and the OAC boards seemed sparse. I just assumed everyone had tuned out for Thanksgiving like me lol

the OAC board was anything but quiet.  Congrats to Alma for fighting to the finish, but the Mount faithful were pretty hot on the OAC board
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Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2023, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on November 27, 2023, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on November 27, 2023, 10:12:02 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 27, 2023, 09:56:09 AM
What a win by Alma on Saturday.  Saw numerous comments and congrats here, but then the board blew up, and it looks like we lost 3-4 days worth of posts.  Guess that's what happens when you pull of the massive upset.  Congratulations to the Scots!!!

I thought this and the OAC boards seemed sparse. I just assumed everyone had tuned out for Thanksgiving like me lol

the OAC board was anything but quiet.  Congrats to Alma for fighting to the finish, but the Mount faithful were pretty hot on the OAC board

Yes, unfortunately, the best backup we had was from prior to Saturday. Boards are still being held together with spit and baling wire -- looking to hire out someone who can add some duct tape. :)
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Post by: Li'l Giant on November 27, 2023, 10:55:52 AM
I remember coming here to congratulate Alma on their win but I guess that's one of the posts lost in the shuffle when the site went down.

Well, once again, congrats to Alma on a fantastic win. Y'all lived out the dream of going to Alliance and winning a playoff game. Good luck next week!
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Post by: HOPEful on November 27, 2023, 12:33:16 PM
the mood on the OAC board can be summed up by this post...

Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 27, 2023, 11:02:58 AM
Boards are back.  Kind of glad they were down all weekend.  What a downer.

Way to go Alma! I was already rooting for the MIAA, but making fans pay $10 to watch made me strongly dislike Mount Union.
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Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 27, 2023, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 27, 2023, 12:33:16 PM
the mood on the OAC board can be summed up by this post...

Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 27, 2023, 11:02:58 AM
Boards are back.  Kind of glad they were down all weekend.  What a downer.

Way to go Alma! I was already rooting for the MIAA, but making fans pay $10 to watch made me strongly dislike Mount Union.

I paid the $10 for round one.  Decided to watch OSU vs UM instead this week.  If I lived close and attended the game, then I'd have to pay $10 for a ticket, so I didn't mind paying to view.
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Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 27, 2023, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 27, 2023, 12:33:16 PM
the mood on the OAC board can be summed up by this post...

Quote from: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 27, 2023, 11:02:58 AM
Boards are back.  Kind of glad they were down all weekend.  What a downer.

Way to go Alma! I was already rooting for the MIAA, but making fans pay $10 to watch made me strongly dislike Mount Union.

Agreed - that was really disappointing.  Since the NCAA is the "owner" of the tournament, there must be an allowance (or no restriction) regarding payable options for viewing. 
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Post by: HOPEful on November 27, 2023, 12:54:56 PM
Recipe for the best MIAA win in almost 30 years...

Quote from: HOPEful on November 20, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Here are my own personal, incremental barometers...

1. Alma finds some success on offense. (The most points Mount Union has allowed in a game this year is 17. I'd love to see Alma eclipse 20+ but double digits would still be much more palatable than getting skunked)

2. Alma takes care of the ball. (JCU felt still in the game against Mount up to the pick six that brought the score from 21-7 to 28-7...)

3. Mount is forced to punt. (Mount doesn't have to punt all that often, finding success on defense would be  amazing... but I'm just not sure Alma's defense can keep up.)

4. The game is still within reach the longer it goes on (Baldwin Wallace lost to Mount 41-17 but the 24-10 halftime score feels like a small victory.)

1. The first three quarters was a whole lot of punting and four three-and-outs. Everything changed in the fourth quarter obviously. The last two TDs were the 76-yard big play and a 10-play drive for 96 yards.

2. Alma intercepted Mount twice and returned the favor with a fumble once. Winning the turnover margin was a huge victory but when those INTs happened were equally huge. Mounts first possession had gone 11 plays and 53 yards when Kretzschmar caught the ball in the endzone. Huge momentum swing and boost to the defenses psyche to get the TO vs. going down 7-0 right away. The second INT was at their own 10 and was the catalyst for the fourth quarter scoring spree.

3. Alma forced Mount to punt 5 times and turned them over twice. I honestly didn't give Alma much of a chance to have this kind of performance. Absolutely outstanding.

4. 100%! The first drive ends in a TD and not an INT and the rest of the game plays out the same, Mount wins 27-24. The fact that they kept the game to 10-0 going into the fourth gave them a shot. And they shot their shot.

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Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 27, 2023, 01:21:11 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 27, 2023, 12:54:56 PM
Recipe for the best MIAA win in almost 30 years...

Quote from: HOPEful on November 20, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Here are my own personal, incremental barometers...

1. Alma finds some success on offense. (The most points Mount Union has allowed in a game this year is 17. I'd love to see Alma eclipse 20+ but double digits would still be much more palatable than getting skunked)

2. Alma takes care of the ball. (JCU felt still in the game against Mount up to the pick six that brought the score from 21-7 to 28-7...)

3. Mount is forced to punt. (Mount doesn't have to punt all that often, finding success on defense would be  amazing... but I'm just not sure Alma's defense can keep up.)

4. The game is still within reach the longer it goes on (Baldwin Wallace lost to Mount 41-17 but the 24-10 halftime score feels like a small victory.)

1. The first three quarters was a whole lot of punting and four three-and-outs. Everything changed in the fourth quarter obviously. The last two TDs were the 76-yard big play and a 10-play drive for 96 yards.

2. Alma intercepted Mount twice and returned the favor with a fumble once. Winning the turnover margin was a huge victory but when those INTs happened were equally huge. Mounts first possession had gone 11 plays and 53 yards when Kretzschmar caught the ball in the endzone. Huge momentum swing and boost to the defenses psyche to get the TO vs. going down 7-0 right away. The second INT was at their own 10 and was the catalyst for the fourth quarter scoring spree.

3. Alma forced Mount to punt 5 times and turned them over twice. I honestly didn't give Alma much of a chance to have this kind of performance. Absolutely outstanding.

4. 100%! The first drive ends in a TD and not an INT and the rest of the game plays out the same, Mount wins 27-24. The fact that they kept the game to 10-0 going into the fourth gave them a shot. And they shot their shot.

Honestly could have easily been 20-0 at the half, but the blocked FG at the end of Q1 along with that interception on the 1st drive were HUGE.  Kept Alma in it long enough for the offense to come to life in the 4th. 
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Post by: formerd3db on November 27, 2023, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 27, 2023, 01:21:11 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 27, 2023, 12:54:56 PM
Recipe for the best MIAA win in almost 30 years...

Quote from: HOPEful on November 20, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Here are my own personal, incremental barometers...

1. Alma finds some success on offense. (The most points Mount Union has allowed in a game this year is 17. I'd love to see Alma eclipse 20+ but double digits would still be much more palatable than getting skunked)

2. Alma takes care of the ball. (JCU felt still in the game against Mount up to the pick six that brought the score from 21-7 to 28-7...)

3. Mount is forced to punt. (Mount doesn't have to punt all that often, finding success on defense would be  amazing... but I'm just not sure Alma's defense can keep up.)

4. The game is still within reach the longer it goes on (Baldwin Wallace lost to Mount 41-17 but the 24-10 halftime score feels like a small victory.)

1. The first three quarters was a whole lot of punting and four three-and-outs. Everything changed in the fourth quarter obviously. The last two TDs were the 76-yard big play and a 10-play drive for 96 yards.

2. Alma intercepted Mount twice and returned the favor with a fumble once. Winning the turnover margin was a huge victory but when those INTs happened were equally huge. Mounts first possession had gone 11 plays and 53 yards when Kretzschmar caught the ball in the endzone. Huge momentum swing and boost to the defenses psyche to get the TO vs. going down 7-0 right away. The second INT was at their own 10 and was the catalyst for the fourth quarter scoring spree.

3. Alma forced Mount to punt 5 times and turned them over twice. I honestly didn't give Alma much of a chance to have this kind of performance. Absolutely outstanding.

4. 100%! The first drive ends in a TD and not an INT and the rest of the game plays out the same, Mount wins 27-24. The fact that they kept the game to 10-0 going into the fourth gave them a shot. And they shot their shot.

Honestly could have easily been 20-0 at the half, but the blocked FG at the end of Q1 along with that interception on the 1st drive were HUGE.  Kept Alma in it long enough for the offense to come to life in the 4th.

Perfect example of a talented team rising to the occasion.
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Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on November 27, 2023, 08:01:49 PM
Congrats to Alma on never giving up and creating the plays needed to stay in the game and then pulling it off in the 4th Q. Enjoy every extra week you get to play!
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Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 27, 2023, 08:41:48 PM
What's up Alma gents! Congrats on knocking off Mount Union. Hope to see another round of great football!
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Post by: raiderpa on November 28, 2023, 12:47:05 PM
ALMA, please don't leave your great effort in Alliance.  Bring it again and again.  Many Raider fans are behind you.
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Post by: HOPEful on November 28, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on November 28, 2023, 12:47:05 PM
ALMA, please don't leave your great effort in Alliance.  Bring it again and again....

This is my great fear and hope, as well. Winning at Alliance is awesome, but if they lay an egg back in Alma, the narrative will forever be about Mount's miscues and fourth quarter collapse and not Alma's opportunistic victory. I really hope they're able to win at home against a very good Cortland team and then show well against Johns Hopkins or Randolph Macon. It would be so cool to get a home quarterfinal win and have everyone talking about Alma's magical season and not Mount's second second-round exit in 5 years.
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Post by: Dr. Acula on November 28, 2023, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 28, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on November 28, 2023, 12:47:05 PM
ALMA, please don't leave your great effort in Alliance.  Bring it again and again....

This is my great fear and hope, as well. Winning at Alliance is awesome, but if they lay an egg back in Alma, the narrative will forever be about Mount's miscues and fourth quarter collapse and not Alma's opportunistic victory. I really hope they're able to win at home against a very good Cortland team and then show well against Johns Hopkins or Randolph Macon. It would be so cool to get a home quarterfinal win and have everyone talking about Alma's magical season and not Mount's second second-round exit in 5 years.

Hopefully they ride a surge of confidence into Saturday and get a great crowd out to support them.  They can win the region if they play like they did in Alliance.  First up, beat Cortland.  I'll be pulling for the Scots. 
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Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on November 28, 2023, 09:56:11 PM
Regardless of what happens Saturday, don't discredit that win over MU! Doesn't happen often and I'm sure your dogs had something to do with it! Mount Union may have melted down or had some misfires, but Alma kept grinding! Cortland had a similar let down in week 3 when they gave up 17points in 4 minutes to Susquehanna. Ended up losing 38-35! Survive and advance! And if Alma left it all on the field in Alliance, it's all good with this former Red Dragon! Saturday can't come soon enough!
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Post by: Dr. Acula on November 28, 2023, 10:22:37 PM
Alma went 95+ yds in 1:10 to take the lead.  That's noteworthy no matter what else happened in that game.  That's big boy football and a testament to the Scots.
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Post by: rscl70 on November 29, 2023, 08:25:55 AM
Keep pouring it on Alma.  Salem is a great place to visit in mid-December!
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Post by: HOPEful on November 29, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 28, 2023, 10:22:37 PM
Alma went 95+ yds in 1:10 to take the lead.  That's noteworthy no matter what else happened in that game.  That's big boy football and a testament to the Scots.

And they posted 24 points while only allowing 20. Both numbers are season best against the Purple Raiders this year.
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Post by: Stinger on November 29, 2023, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on November 28, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on November 28, 2023, 12:47:05 PM
ALMA, please don't leave your great effort in Alliance.  Bring it again and again....

This is my great fear and hope, as well. Winning at Alliance is awesome, but if they lay an egg back in Alma, the narrative will forever be about Mount's miscues and fourth quarter collapse and not Alma's opportunistic victory. I really hope they're able to win at home against a very good Cortland team and then show well against Johns Hopkins or Randolph Macon. It would be so cool to get a home quarterfinal win and have everyone talking about Alma's magical season and not Mount's second second-round exit in 5 years.

Your great fear? Come on. Alma went down and scored 24 pts in the last 10 minutes against one of the best programs in the history of DIII. Hope could only imagine. Alma isn't playing for you.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on November 30, 2023, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: Stinger on November 29, 2023, 10:38:44 PM
Your great fear? Come on. Alma went down and scored 24 pts in the last 10 minutes against one of the best programs in the history of DIII. Hope could only imagine. Alma isn't playing for you.

I never implied Alma was playing for me. And yes, I fear that Alma could lay an egg against Cortland. Do I think they will... no. My hope is that this incredible season includes 3 more games for the Scots.

Beating Mount feels a little like the Miracle on Ice. That team went on to beat Finland to win the gold. Mount fans and MIAA fans want to see Alma make the most of that great win and go on to "beat Finland" (or in this case, Cortland then JH/RM)
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on December 02, 2023, 01:27:37 PM
This Alma game is wild. 34-34 at the half. Hopefully Alma can make some defensive adjustments at half time.
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Post by: formerd3db on December 02, 2023, 03:57:39 PM
Obviously, both teams did not play exceotionally well today.on defemse.  It was an offensive slugfest, but, yes, a wild and exciting playoff game to watch. Congratulations to Alma for a fantastic season this year.  Did the MIAA proud.
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Post by: Ice Bear on December 03, 2023, 08:47:59 AM
Congratulations to Alma on an incredible season! What an amazing win over UMU last week and a great effort and offensive performance yesterday.

I also want to compliment the commentators. To me, they were fantastic and my absolute favorite commentators I have heard at the D3 level. They were objective yet supportive of their team, they were incredibly positive and complimentary of the student athletes in both teams, and they were quite knowledgeable as well. I was so impressed as it was an absolute pleasure listening to them call the game. Great season Alma!
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Post by: HOPEful on December 04, 2023, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: Ice Bear on December 03, 2023, 08:47:59 AM
I also want to compliment the commentators. To me, they were fantastic and my absolute favorite commentators I have heard at the D3 level. They were objective yet supportive of their team, they were incredibly positive and complimentary of the student athletes in both teams, and they were quite knowledgeable as well. I was so impressed as it was an absolute pleasure listening to them call the game. Great season Alma!

As a Hope fan, I admittedly have watch/listened to surprisingly few Alma live streams. I took was very impressed with the quality of their stream and the commentators.

Congrats to Alma on a great season!
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Post by: formerd3db on December 04, 2023, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on December 04, 2023, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: Ice Bear on December 03, 2023, 08:47:59 AM
I also want to compliment the commentators. To me, they were fantastic and my absolute favorite commentators I have heard at the D3 level. They were objective yet supportive of their team, they were incredibly positive and complimentary of the student athletes in both teams, and they were quite knowledgeable as well. I was so impressed as it was an absolute pleasure listening to them call the game. Great season Alma!

As a Hope fan, I admittedly have watch/listened to surprisingly few Alma live streams. I took was very impressed with the quality of their stream and the commentators.

Congrats to Alma on a great season!

I'll ditto that. Alma has not only had a history of fine commentators for that, but also football gameday announcers for the past three+ decades. Hope has as well.
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Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2023, 06:47:14 PM
Congratulations to Coach Jason Couch and QB Carter St. John for their selections as Region 4  Coach of the Year and Offensive Player of the Year by Pat and  his staff at d3fb.com.
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Post by: HOPEful on December 18, 2023, 09:02:54 AM
Alma beat Mount and then went toe-to-toe with the eventual national champs... hell of season and post-season Scots!
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Post by: formerd3db on February 22, 2024, 03:47:38 PM
Very concerning news today and earlier this week. Concordia-Ann Arbor (NAIA) and it's sister school Concordia-Wis (NCAA Div.III) are in financial trouble. Faculty and staff layoffs expected and the Ann Arbor school is looking at possibly selling off buildings ir might even close, according to the media article today. The fb program at Ann Arbor may be in jepordy and I assume the same might be possible at Wis. Very sad if this occurs, but, again, it is a sign of the times. See my post over on the NCAC board for additional info reported in the media today.
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Post by: TUAngola on April 06, 2024, 11:37:15 AM
Trine's 2024 football schedule has not been posted yet, but I do know that they will be hosting Christopher Newport on September 7th per the CNU athletics website.  This is great news, nice to get some non HCAC teams on the schedule.  The Captains made the D3 football playoffs last year so will be a huge test for the Thunder.  With Calvin starting MIAA play this year the non-conference schedule will be reduced by 1 game.  Will be interesting to see who else is on the Thunder schedule this coming season.
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Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 01, 2024, 10:20:11 AM
Pretty awesome thing happened during round 3 of the NFL draft this past weekend:

https://athletics.hope.edu/news/2024/4/29/derik-smith-makes-missouri-cornerbacks-day-at-the-nfl-draft-with-denver-broncos-selection.aspx
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Post by: TUAngola on May 08, 2024, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on April 06, 2024, 11:37:15 AMTrine's 2024 football schedule has not been posted yet, but I do know that they will be hosting Christopher Newport on September 7th per the CNU athletics website.  This is great news, nice to get some non HCAC teams on the schedule.  The Captains made the D3 football playoffs last year so will be a huge test for the Thunder.  With Calvin starting MIAA play this year the non-conference schedule will be reduced by 1 game.  Will be interesting to see who else is on the Thunder schedule this coming season.

...@ Rose Hulman and @ Bluffton to fill out Trine's non-conference schedule.
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Post by: DBQ1965 on July 26, 2024, 12:48:39 PM
From the "For What Its Worth" department and looking forward to being a bit of football history, I bought a ticket to Calvin's first football game ever, the opener against Oberlin College on Sept. 7.  And FYI, it appears the only remaining tickets for the Hope-Calvin clash are standing room only.  It's almost August now, so it's time for some football chatter here. 🏈
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Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on July 29, 2024, 09:55:44 AM
D3Football Pre-season poll is out, with Alma at #7, and Hope receiving a single vote.

https://www.d3football.com/top25/2024/preseason
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Post by: KnightSlappy on August 02, 2024, 03:53:37 PM
Looking for a pair of general admission tickets to the Calvin season opener vs. Oberlin. Send me a message if you have any you'd like to unload.

Excited to see how the Calvin program develops!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 04, 2024, 06:55:09 AM
I assume you already checked, but did you try ordering through the Calvin athletics webpage?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on August 04, 2024, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on August 04, 2024, 06:55:09 AMI assume you already checked, but did you try ordering through the Calvin athletics webpage?

Only Standing Run Only remain
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on August 19, 2024, 08:01:15 AM
over/ under seasons until Calvin defeats Hope?

a dozen?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 19, 2024, 09:41:28 AM
If you are setting it at 12, I'll put $100 on the under right now!!

I get that it will take the Knights a while to get "up to speed" so to speak, but I don't think it will take anywhere close to that long.  Add in the fact of it being a Rivalry game and all the strangeness that can contribute, and I won't be suprised to see them win one by 2030. 
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Post by: KnightSlappy on August 21, 2024, 12:55:31 PM
I agree with FDF. If you're setting the O/U at the year in which you expect it to be 50% likely that Calvin has won at least one game vs. Hope, you're probably targeting 2029 or 2030.

If you're asking when we'll get to the point where the expectation of any single game is 50-50, that could be 2030 (feels like a stretch) or it could be longer.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on August 27, 2024, 10:04:09 AM
Oberlin is a phenomenal choice for first game and a great barometer of where Calvin's team is in relation to being a legitimate D3 program. Oberlin was picked to finish dead last in the NCAC by the coaches, and it's a conference that also includes Hiram. I know nothing about the current state or rumblings coming from the East Beltline... do those in the know think Calvin could win this one?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2024, 10:26:57 AM
Yes. I do.

Helps that Calvin had a developmental season last year, so they have some general idea of what they have on their roster. They'll have three times as many players as Oberlin, which will have to have a bunch of players play both ways, so they may be able to out-depth them as well, although as a new program goes down its depth chart, you get to guys who are even less proven than the starters and that isn't always a positive.

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Post by: TUAngola on August 27, 2024, 05:07:57 PM
Massey has Calvin with a 78% chance of winning against Oberlin.  Predicted score of 35-20.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dark Knight on August 28, 2024, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 27, 2024, 05:07:57 PMMassey has Calvin with a 78% chance of winning against Oberlin.  Predicted score of 35-20.

Of course, Massey has zero knowledge about Calvin football this season or any other.

Other than being undefeated since 1876, of course.

Calvin really seems to be going all out. A passel of coaches. 120 kids on the roster.  The football building is very nice. They even hired a marching band director.

I wonder how big the scoreboard of the planned stadium will be. If it's half as big as the new soccer scoreboard, it'll be ginormous.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 29, 2024, 08:54:46 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on August 28, 2024, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 27, 2024, 05:07:57 PMMassey has Calvin with a 78% chance of winning against Oberlin.  Predicted score of 35-20.

Of course, Massey has zero knowledge about Calvin football this season or any other.

Other than being undefeated since 1876, of course.

Calvin really seems to be going all out. A passel of coaches. 120 kids on the roster.  The football building is very nice. They even hired a marching band director.

I wonder how big the scoreboard of the planned stadium will be. If it's half as big as the new soccer scoreboard, it'll be ginormous.


I think this proves Massey is an optimist, since Calvin is also winless since 1876
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Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 29, 2024, 09:19:14 AM
It feels like theres no chance that Calvin is going to half ass this football program thing now that they have entered the fray. Id expect year one to be a bit bumpy for them, its just how it usually goes, but I imagine they will come in and have competitive showings more often than not. Theyve shown the willingness to invest in this to get it off the ground, and the amount of kids they have brought in for a program that is in year 1 (not counting last season) is really impressive.

Unrelated to Calvin, but as an Adrian guy I am super pleased to see what the new coaching staff is all about. Joe Palka coached the LB my junior year at Adrian and was a great coach for that and his resume at the HS level is impressive aong . I played with several guys who worked with him (at EMU and Saline HS) and who are currently on his staff and all have great things to say. Was able to get up and watch a practice the other week and things seemed very well organized and high intensity. His staff has also done a great job trying to bring the alumni together, starting an alumni club (long time coming honestly) and bringing Jim Lyall back into the fold as well. All great positive signs and Im looking forward to a much improved season this year for Adrian. Could be the type of step up season that was seen from 01 to 02, hopping in the way back machine!
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Post by: TUAngola on September 04, 2024, 01:05:14 PM
Story on Calvin's first season playing football on D3football.com, link below.

https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2024/calvin-football-ready-to-kick-off
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Post by: CNU85 on September 04, 2024, 02:11:35 PM
Looks like it is going to be perfect football weather in Angola on Saturday. Too bad I can't make the road trip.
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Post by: Grutte Dirk on September 04, 2024, 04:12:37 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on August 28, 2024, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: TUAngola on August 27, 2024, 05:07:57 PMMassey has Calvin with a 78% chance of winning against Oberlin.  Predicted score of 35-20.

Of course, Massey has zero knowledge about Calvin football this season or any other.

Other than being undefeated since 1876, of course.

Calvin really seems to be going all out. A passel of coaches. 120 kids on the roster.  The football building is very nice. They even hired a marching band director.

I wonder how big the scoreboard of the planned stadium will be. If it's half as big as the new soccer scoreboard, it'll be ginormous.

Calvin is all in for football. Too many necks on the line to treat it like the other sports. Plus, people are willing to donate for football quicker than other Olympic sports..
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Post by: Grutte Dirk on September 04, 2024, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on August 19, 2024, 09:41:28 AMIf you are setting it at 12, I'll put $100 on the under right now!!

I get that it will take the Knights a while to get "up to speed" so to speak, but I don't think it will take anywhere close to that long.  Add in the fact of it being a Rivalry game and all the strangeness that can contribute, and I won't be surprised to see them win one by 2030. 
Does the MIAA allow the Calvin v. Hope game to conclude the season yearly? Are there similar MIAA rivalries that could also be pushed to the final regular-season game?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: TUAngola on September 04, 2024, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on September 04, 2024, 02:11:35 PMLooks like it is going to be perfect football weather in Angola on Saturday. Too bad I can't make the road trip.
I'd venture to say that CNU will be an overwhelming favorite against Trine this Saturday. 

Trine will be very inexpierenced.  I don't have the exact figures, but I'm guessing the total of starters returning on both sides of the ball might be around 6 out of 22, maybe even less than that.  On offense I believe they only return their tight end and for certain their center, maybe another offensive lineman.  They graduated most all their playmakers; Price at QB, Kirby at RB and 3 very good receivers in Lawson, Kline and Arthur.  On defense I know they return linebacker Hasselman, but all the D-line graduated and only a couple DB's return.  I will definitely need a roster handy on Saturday to see who the new guys are.  We were picked 3rd in the MIAA coaches pre-season poll, but I believe that to be too high.

It will be interesting to go against an eastern region team on Saturday, it's exciting for the Thunder to venture out from the usual Indiana and Ohio schools we see in non-conference play.

Speaking of CNU I'd would have loved to see the Captains on Trine's MBB schedule this season.  That would be a great game!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: CNU85 on September 05, 2024, 08:13:01 AM
TUAngola,

I'd love to see a MBB game as well. Hopefully, you don't go through what CNU went through after the Natty. A few guys got big heads. Coach doesn't put up with that. Key players, an All-American, didn't finish the season on the roster. Yet, with 9 Freshmen and 4 healthy upperclassmen, we were still 2 points away from a Final Four. This year's team should be loaded.

For football. I'm excited about the team this year. NJAC champions. We played some tough teams very close on their home turf (Johns Hopkins 20-14) and (10-0 RMC in playoffs, we lost 28-20). We get a shot at Johns Hopkins next week at home. That game has already sold out.

Standing Room Only (https://www.cnusports.com/news/2024/9/4/cnu-football-home-opener-vs-johns-hopkins-sold-out-standing-room-tickets-to-be-sold-gameday.aspx)

Most of our guys are back and a few key additions from D1 programs. Our QB is back for a final year. He's tough. Our backup was previously at Appalachian State. I drove past the practice field this morning. Early morning practice before loading on the bus and starting the 2 day trip. I believe we are traveling with about half the team. Roster size is limited by NJAC rules to 135.

Here are some game notes, if you're interested.

Game Notes CNU V Trine (https://www.cnusports.com/documents/2024/9/4/2024_CNU_Football_Game_Notes_at_Trine_Game_1.pdf?path=football)



Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: calvin_grad on September 07, 2024, 01:43:11 PM
And Calvin's first points in school history are scored by the defense! Calvin leads 2-0 at the end of the first quarter.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 07, 2024, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: calvin_grad on September 07, 2024, 01:43:11 PMAnd Calvin's first points in school history are scored by the defense! Calvin leads 2-0 at the end of the first quarter.

Sickos Committee approves of this scoreline.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 07, 2024, 02:13:35 PM
Up to 26-0 now. Good for Calvin.

Adrian up 27-20 after going down 20-0 to Elmhurst with two turnover based TDs early.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: calvin_grad on September 07, 2024, 04:01:49 PM
Final score - Calvin 50, Oberlin 6. Still undefeated since 1876!  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dark Knight on September 07, 2024, 04:59:45 PM
Well, that was unexpected.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: monsoon on September 07, 2024, 05:31:02 PM
Congrats to Calvin on starting off with a win. Smart move scheduling Oberlin for your program opener.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: oldknight on September 07, 2024, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on September 07, 2024, 04:59:45 PMWell, that was unexpected.

Indeed. It's quite clear that Calvin has a first-rate coaching staff. To get such a young team so well-prepared to play and win as it did is impressive. I know Oberlin isn't a great FB school, but Calvin totally dominated the visitors from Ohio.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 09, 2024, 01:16:15 PM
Gotta rant for a moment:

Anyone else try to use the "updated" MIAA website to keep track of the games on Saturday?  My experience was POOR TO say the least.  In its prior form, the home page includes a scrollable list of events with live scores and links to stats, video, etc.  Completed events also had links to box scores,

The new site at first glance appears to do the same, but only shows you 5 events (confirmed on both phone and PC) and no ability to scroll.  It also does not have links to stats, video, etc. The only option to see more is a click on Full Calendar - which is vast (it's 3 months of schedule for every sport) and not really usable - and did not appear to have live scores.  Currently the Trine CNU game still has no score - maybe the Thunder prefer that anyway :)

OK - I'm done now  <rant off>
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2024, 02:29:36 PM
You can still get the previous experience if you use the MIAA scoreboard on D3football.com.

https://d3football.com/scoreboard/2024/MIAA?date=2024-09-07
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on September 21, 2024, 05:48:28 PM
Doesn't anyone post here?
Basketball rules the MIAA!?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: HOPEful on September 23, 2024, 07:40:31 AM
Quote from: Grutte Dirk on September 21, 2024, 05:48:28 PMDoesn't anyone post here?
Basketball rules the MIAA!?

Basically. Sac, FormerD3db, TUAngola, Stinger... that's basically the regulars that I can think of on this board in recent times...

Congrats to Calvin on their second win. Having the foresight to schedule both Oberlin and Anderson was just really savvy for the inaugural season. No matter what happens in MIAA play, you have to already see 2024 as a glowing success.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 23, 2024, 08:55:22 AM
Quote from: Grutte Dirk on September 21, 2024, 05:48:28 PMDoesn't anyone post here?
Basketball rules the MIAA!?

I've always thought about this topic in this way:  If you want to see more people discussing things on a specific board, then you need to post things - ask questions, give an opinion, provide your thoughts on a game or team or whatever...  There are always (I believe) many more people reading and looking at various boards than there are posting on them.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: KnightSlappy on September 23, 2024, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: HOPEful on September 23, 2024, 07:40:31 AM
Quote from: Grutte Dirk on September 21, 2024, 05:48:28 PMDoesn't anyone post here?
Basketball rules the MIAA!?

Basically. Sac, FormerD3db, TUAngola, Stinger... that's basically the regulars that I can think of on this board in recent times...

Congrats to Calvin on their second win. Having the foresight to schedule both Oberlin and Anderson was just really savvy for the inaugural season. No matter what happens in MIAA play, you have to already see 2024 as a glowing success.

As a Calvin supporter, my expectation coming into the season was to hope to be competitive with Oberlin and/or Anderson and then probably get dragged pretty hard in conference play. One win would have seemed very positive, even given the soft schedule.

Now, after beating Oberlin and Anderson handily and playing competitively with CUW, I'm getting greedy and hoping Calvin can steal a conference victory.  :o

Either way, making positive strides throughout the season is the benchmark for success, and so far it seems they're doing that.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 28, 2024, 03:14:35 PM
Halftime score:

Hope 24
Alma 0

Hope with 186 rushing and 160 passing. Too many penalties with 6-70 yds.

Alma with 65 rushing and 11 passing and 1 INT

Alma had one decent drive mid-late 2nd Q that ended with a Hope pick on a tipped pass inside their own 10. Hope then drove the length of the field and scored a TD with 13 sec left in the half. Hope ball to start the 3rd.

Now let's play the 2nd half like it's 0-0!!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: calvin_grad on September 28, 2024, 10:05:11 PM
Calvin loses its first MIAA game on the road in Kzoo in a heartbreaker 33-31.  Kalamazoo scored a TD with 23 seconds left to win.  Calvin outgained Kalamazoo by almost 200 yards but committed 19 penalties for 179 yards.   :o  :o
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: The Third Division on September 29, 2024, 01:15:00 PM
Could this be the first Hope team to go undefeated in the regular season since 1984?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 30, 2024, 08:20:18 AM
Quote from: The Third Division on September 29, 2024, 01:15:00 PMCould this be the first Hope team to go undefeated in the regular season since 1984?

Possibly...

Hope's performance on Saturday was pretty great - aside from the 14 penalties for 128yds including at least 3 or 4 personal fouls.  Over 600 yards of offense and over 40 minutes of possesion are pretty darn dominant.  No disrespect to Alma, but I question whether they have simply been over-rated thus far this season
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Raider 68 on September 30, 2024, 08:35:44 AM
I am pulling for Hope to win the MIAA! :)
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ziggy on September 30, 2024, 09:06:45 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on September 30, 2024, 08:20:18 AM
Quote from: The Third Division on September 29, 2024, 01:15:00 PMCould this be the first Hope team to go undefeated in the regular season since 1984?

Possibly...

Hope's performance on Saturday was pretty great - aside from the 14 penalties for 128yds including at least 3 or 4 personal fouls.  Over 600 yards of offense and over 40 minutes of possesion are pretty darn dominant.  No disrespect to Alma, but I question whether they have simply been over-rated thus far this season


I was a little surprised to see Hope only enter the Top 25 poll at number 23 after that win over Alma. It seems voters have responded to that game more for an updated view of Alma, especially after falling to UW-River Falls in week one, than Hope. Flying Dutchmen fans shouldn't sweat that, though. They are clearly in the driver's seat for a conference championship.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2024, 10:00:12 AM
Coach Stuursma is our Fast Five guest on this week's podcast:
https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2024/09/30/atn-podcast-361-big-wins-new-faces/
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 01, 2024, 07:58:39 AM
Hope RB Chance Strickland named to D3FB team of the week:

https://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2024/week4
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 02, 2024, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on September 23, 2024, 07:40:31 AM
Quote from: Grutte Dirk on September 21, 2024, 05:48:28 PMDoesn't anyone post here?
Basketball rules the MIAA!?

Basically. Sac, FormerD3db, TUAngola, Stinger... that's basically the regulars that I can think of on this board in recent times...

Congrats to Calvin on their second win. Having the foresight to schedule both Oberlin and Anderson was just really savvy for the inaugural season. No matter what happens in MIAA play, you have to already see 2024 as a glowing success.

I posted earlier after I snagged a ticket for Calvin's opener, but have been quiet since.  TUAngola and FormerD3db and I have exchanged occasionally in the past, but not so much lately.  I've only been to two games in person ... Calvin's opener and Hope vs Franklin, plus I've streamed other games.  Last Saturday I saw the last quarter of K'zoo vs Calvin ... Calvin went ahead late in the games only to have the Hornets pull it out in the final seconds.  I thought Calvin's players looked like "what just happened?"

I expect to be in Holland this coming Saturday for the Trine-Hope clash.  Even though Trine took it on the chin against Albion, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a close contest.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dark Knight on October 02, 2024, 01:23:52 PM
I'm thinking maybe it would be fun if I sang the national anthem at Saturday's football game when Calvin hosts Alma. What do you think--should I do it?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 02, 2024, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on October 02, 2024, 01:23:52 PMI'm thinking maybe it would be fun if I sang the national anthem at Saturday's football game when Calvin hosts Alma. What do you think--should I do it?


Depends - will the rest of the fans be singing with you, or are we talking a full blown acapella solo?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dark Knight on October 03, 2024, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 02, 2024, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on October 02, 2024, 01:23:52 PMI'm thinking maybe it would be fun if I sang the national anthem at Saturday's football game when Calvin hosts Alma. What do you think--should I do it?


Depends - will the rest of the fans be singing with you, or are we talking a full blown acapella solo?

All of the fans would be singing with me, of course, but I would be out on the field, at the 50 yard line, mic'ed, so everyone could hear. Sounds kind of exciting and fun -- for me at least, if not for all who have to hear me!

Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 03, 2024, 12:39:10 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on October 03, 2024, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 02, 2024, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on October 02, 2024, 01:23:52 PMI'm thinking maybe it would be fun if I sang the national anthem at Saturday's football game when Calvin hosts Alma. What do you think--should I do it?


Depends - will the rest of the fans be singing with you, or are we talking a full blown acapella solo?

All of the fans would be singing with me, of course, but I would be out on the field, at the 50 yard line, mic'ed, so everyone could hear. Sounds kind of exciting and fun -- for me at least, if not for all who have to hear me!



I say go for it!!!  I got to experience doing something similar at my alma mater (NWC - Northwestern College in IA)  I wasn't solo, but with a bunch of my choirmates at a reunion during homecoming weekend and we got to sing the anthem.  It was quite the thrill even in a group.  The NWC team went on to win that game, and the national championship (NAIA) that year - I'm sure in no small part due to our outstanding singing!!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on October 15, 2024, 02:26:16 PM
Gotta be honest, outside looking in, the Hope offense is terrifying at present.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2024, 09:25:50 AM
Getting anxious for the FIRST FB rivalry game on Saturday.  Nice front page article by Brian Lester: https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2024/rivals-stand-between-hope-playoff-spot
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: calvin_grad on November 08, 2024, 08:46:15 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2024, 09:25:50 AMGetting anxious for the FIRST FB rivalry game on Saturday.  Nice front page article by Brian Lester: https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2024/rivals-stand-between-hope-playoff-spot
Not sure what you are anxious about.  Hope will win something like 63-3.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 08, 2024, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: calvin_grad on November 08, 2024, 08:46:15 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 07, 2024, 09:25:50 AMGetting anxious for the FIRST FB rivalry game on Saturday.  Nice front page article by Brian Lester: https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2024/rivals-stand-between-hope-playoff-spot
Not sure what you are anxious about.  Hope will win something like 63-3.

I'm certainly not anxious about the outcome, I'm anxious for the game to finally happen!!!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Dutchfan on November 08, 2024, 07:45:40 PM
Why is the Hope/Calvin game not being played at Grand Valley?

Lubbers stadium seats 36,000, is conveniently located, and is not being used tomorrow.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 09, 2024, 12:52:24 PM
My guess is the rent at Lubbers was to high.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: monsoon on November 09, 2024, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Dutchfan on November 08, 2024, 07:45:40 PMWhy is the Hope/Calvin game not being played at Grand Valley?

Lubbers stadium seats 36,000, is conveniently located, and is not being used tomorrow.

It was a Calvin home game; I assume they wanted to play it in their home stadium.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Grutte Dirk on November 10, 2024, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: Dutchfan on November 08, 2024, 07:45:40 PMWhy is the Hope/Calvin game not being played at Grand Valley?
Lubbers stadium seats 36,000, is conveniently located, and is not being used tomorrow.
Why would Calvin give up a home game?
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: NW Hope Fan on November 17, 2024, 10:31:19 PM
Nice to get a home game next week. Good luck Dutchmen!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 18, 2024, 08:54:43 AM
Quote from: NW Hope Fan on November 17, 2024, 10:31:19 PMNice to get a home game next week. Good luck Dutchmen!

True - but what a tough quadrant Hope is in!  There are a total of 11 teams that are 10-0 in this bracket, and 5 - yes FIVE of them are in Hope's quadrant (so ahlf of the 10 teams in the quadrant)!  Each of the the other 3 quadrants have 2 undefeated teams.

To put it another way, this quadrant has:

Per NPI ranking - 8 of the top 25 - teams ranked 4, 5, 9, 10, 14, 21, 22, 25 

Per the D3FB Top 25 - 7 of the top 25 - teams ranked 1, 2, 10, 15, 16, 22, 23
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: SpartanHouse4 on November 18, 2024, 04:36:11 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 18, 2024, 08:54:43 AM
Quote from: NW Hope Fan on November 17, 2024, 10:31:19 PMNice to get a home game next week. Good luck Dutchmen!

True - but what a tough quadrant Hope is in!  There are a total of 11 teams that are 10-0 in this bracket, and 5 - yes FIVE of them are in Hope's quadrant (so ahlf of the 10 teams in the quadrant)!  Each of the the other 3 quadrants have 2 undefeated teams.

To put it another way, this quadrant has:

Per NPI ranking - 8 of the top 25 - teams ranked 4, 5, 9, 10, 14, 21, 22, 25 

Per the D3FB Top 25 - 7 of the top 25 - teams ranked 1, 2, 10, 15, 16, 22, 23

I really don't like the new algorithm for this years seeding. That being said, I think Hope and Aurora are happy with the first round matchup. Both teams have a shot to win and avoided the Michigan and Wisconsin leagues as well as North Central. On top of that, both teams are very familiar with eachother.

Bonkers to me that Lake Forest is ahead of both these team. AU's only loss was to North Central which was NC's most competitive game of the year. Also don't get how AU's doesn't get a home game. They'd be better off scheduling bottom feeders.

Happy for this matchup and think it will be an outstanding game that comes down to the closing seconds.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 30, 2024, 06:15:58 PM
Not a Hope alum ... just a fan of the D3 team closest too me.  Sitting in a wind chill of 16 with snow flying around, Hope eased my anxiety about how the game could go by playing the with same consistency it has all season.  In many ways, they created their own breaks thanks to a solid defense and when Aurora made a move in the second half to close the margin, Hope never faltered, shutting down a good team.  Is it enough to make me want to drive to Naperville next Saturday?  Depends on the weather.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Capn34 on December 01, 2024, 11:39:55 AM
Question for Hope fans.  Hope has a no play sports on Sunday policy and I heard they are really strict on it.  The NCAA Championship game is in a Sunday, will hope waive that rule if their made it to the game?  I have heard they have always said they wouldn't.  Would be a wierd situation if happened.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: pointlem on December 01, 2024, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: Capn34 on December 01, 2024, 11:39:55 AMQuestion for Hope fans.  Hope has a no play sports on Sunday policy and I heard they are really strict on it.  The NCAA Championship game is in a Sunday, will hope waive that rule if their made it to the game?  I have heard they have always said they wouldn't.  Would be a wierd situation if happened.
In the D3 universe, there's a whole set of schools to which Capn34's good question is applicable. Ditto Yeshiva for a BB game on Saturday.

The NCAA volleyball championship committee faced that when Hope and Emory were slated to play for the championship on Sunday--and moved the match to Monday for Hope. This year there's the complication of an ESPN schedule.

Although I don't know your answer Capn34, with #1 and dominant North Central on the horizon next Saturday, it's likely moot.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2024, 10:08:34 AM
Complication of an ESPN schedule and a venue that is not a campus venue.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: pointlem on December 02, 2024, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2024, 10:08:34 AMComplication of an ESPN schedule and a venue that is not a campus venue.
Good point, Pat. I wonder if the NCAA committee has a plan in place, should either of the semi-final winners be unavailable for a Sunday championship game.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2024, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: pointlem on December 02, 2024, 06:18:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2024, 10:08:34 AMComplication of an ESPN schedule and a venue that is not a campus venue.
Good point, Pat. I wonder if the NCAA committee has a plan in place, should either of the semi-final winners be unavailable for a Sunday championship game.

It's not an unusual situation for D-III and while the football committee hasn't dealt with it in the past, they have plenty of resources to call on.

I also don't think it will be an issue in this championship, if I'm being honest.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 03, 2024, 02:23:34 PM
Congrats to two Hope Flying Dutchmen on AFCA All-America awards:

LB Cole Luhmann - 1st Team All-American
OL Dylan Clem - 2nd Team All-American

https://www.afca.com/currys-montie-quinn-and-bethels-matt-jung-headline-the-2024-afca-division-iii-coaches-all-america-teams/
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 09, 2024, 02:58:08 PM
Sad to see Hope's season end, but what a run by a really good team and a great bunch of guys.  Ran into a great North Central team, with an extremely high powered offense, yet Hope held them scoreless on back to back drives to open the game, meaning a scoreless first Q (both firsts for this season for this NC team).  Hope's O also showed they could move the ball on NC, but in the end were simply out gunned.  Hold your heads high boys - you've got a lot to proud of!!!
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: USee on December 10, 2024, 01:00:18 PM
Hope was very impressive. I loved their front 7 on defense and the QB is a playmaker. It's great to see the high level they have played this year.
Title: Re: FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Post by: sac on June 03, 2025, 03:03:48 PM
 congrats  d3db ;)
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