Welcome to the Baseball Message Board for the Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC).
Check out this interesting list on the Carthage web page:
Do any of the teams listed surprise you?
http://www.carthage.edu/athletics/index.cfm?page=325
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 11, 2006, 06:23:56 PM
Check out this interesting list on the Carthage web page:
Do any of the teams listed surprise you?
http://www.carthage.edu/athletics/index.cfm?page=325
No one in the MIAC cares, Poppa :)
Based on the number of messages posted on this MIAC board, it appears that nobody in the MIAC cares about baseball either.
Baseball? What's next, a soccer board?? ::)
Quote from: Willy Wonka on February 17, 2006, 12:24:37 AM
Baseball? What's next, a soccer board?? ::)
or god's sake, willy, don't even say that out loud!! ;D
Preseason MIAC prediction:
1. UST--- top staff, good hitting
2. Cord-- Schumacher & Carbo is a solid 1-2 punch
3. GAC-- can Scherer repeat last year's numbers?
4.Olaf-- program's overall depth and strength
5. Augs-- Ginther's solid, team chemsitry is good....wont sneak up on people this year
6. SJU-- pitching is solid....can a case be made for Casey Haugen for MVP?
7. Bethel-- great team chemistry, no weaknesses (and I LOVE their ball field-- easily the best in the league)
8.SMU- could be the sleeper Augs was in 05
9.Mac-- hitting is their forte, word is pitching is much improved
10. Ham-- lost a lot to graduation, but could sneam up o n people
11. Carleton-- nice core of players...need to find a Tony LePge-type inning-eater
Wow the MIAC has baseball.....never knew :D
ST. Thomas barely snuck by the cobbers in yesterday's 2nd game. A terrible 3rd strike called on Schumacher in the 6th cost the cobbs the game when they had 2 runners on. Worst call ever, I even heard one cobber spectator yell to the umpire, "Hey Blue, does your wife know you're screwing us?" I'll have to say, it was quite amusing at the time. But the tommies did win 3-1. Thats all I got.
Quote from: cobbernation on April 09, 2006, 07:35:06 PM
ST. Thomas barely snuck by the cobbers in yesterday's 2nd game. A terrible 3rd strike called on Schumacher in the 6th cost the cobbs the game when they had 2 runners on. Worst call ever, I even heard one cobber spectator yell to the umpire, "Hey Blue, does your wife know you're screwing us?" I'll have to say, it was quite amusing at the time. But the tommies did win 3-1. Thats all I got.
Spoken like a true homer....
Any thoughts on the UST/UMN game tomorrow evening at Midway?
I'll be there, look out for the dork with the camera :)
Quote from: Ryan Coleman on April 18, 2006, 01:13:06 AM
Any thoughts on the UST/UMN game tomorrow evening at Midway?
I'll be there, look out for the dork with the camera :)
Wow, we're talkative. Here's a link to the photo album: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=869
Saturday's matchup between St John's and St Thomas:
Game 1: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=874
Game 2: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=873
Thanks!
Its usually pretty easy to pick the top 2 teams in the MIAC, and this year was no different with St Olaf and UST. However, at the beginning of the season a number of teams looked as if they could slide into the playoffs in #3 or #4 playoff spots. Augsburg and Concordia returned large numbers from their 2005 playoff squads, while GAC, BU, and HU all had post season aspiration. The most dissapointing team this year has got to be Augsburg: having only 1 loss of any consequence in Sr. Jeremy Nelson the Auggies looked prime to challenge StO and UST, especially with the addition of transfers Evan Almeroth and Patrick Gornick. However, Augsburg will most likely end up 9-11, having not been a playoff threat for about 3 weeks.
The thing I'm most looking forward to with this years playoffs is the extremely level playing field because of the wealth of pitching talent. #2 seed StO is my pick to win it all because they have 4 top flight pitchers in Sr Eric Tobias (who has already beaten Ham and UST), Sr Dan O'malley (0-2 vs MIAC playoffs teams), So. Paul Johnson (1 win v GAC) and Fr sensation Todd Mathison (1 win v Ham and an incredible 31 conf innings pitched with 0 earned runs). StO will undoubtedly start Mathison or Johnson vs GAC in the first round, confident in having Tobias ready to go in the second game vs UST or Ham. GAC is my pick to finish second. Sr Josh Spitzack, who will go out #1 or #2 in every major career pitching statistic at GAC, is 2-1 over the past 3 years vs StO with 2 complete game shut out gems and will most likely get the nod in the opening round. This will leave fellow Sr. Andy Schmidt to face UST or Ham next. Schmidt is 2-0 in his career vs UST and Ham and his era against UST is quite impressive (0.46 with 10 hits in 15 innings). The Gusties will have to get 2 wins out of these 2 Seniors in the first games of the tournament if they hope to win it all. UST has some flexibility with its decision on who to start vs Ham: start Fr Dan Leslie, whom the Piper havent seen yet, Fr Erik Olsen, victorious against Ham already this season, or Jr Riley Bosch or So Chris Bullis. Bosch shut down StO when they played this year, so Coach Denning may save him for StO, while Leslie and Olsen combined to throw 13 1/3 scoreless innings vs GAC already. My guess: Look for Olsen to pitch v Hamline, saving Leslie in case GAC wins and Bosch in case StO wins. UST will also need 2 win on the first day of the tourney if they hope to supplement their reg season crown with the tourney championship; they simply don't have the pitching to come up through the losers bracket. Last but not least comes Hamline. Staff leaders Sr. Kyle Foster and So. Josh Roiger are 2-2 vs the other MIAC playoffs teams this year and will have to win their games for HU to be successful; beyond these two the HU hurlers aren't nearly as capable of knocking off top flight teams like UST, GAC, & UST.
The only team I see capable of coming up from the losers bracket would be StO, with its 4 awesome pitchers, and don't overlook GAC's league-leading offense if it can get to an opponents bullpen.
Well I can't say I agree with Ripon on the top of todays NCAA Midwest regional rankings, but I do think they got the rest pretty close to right. I'd flip flop Gustavus and UW Whitewater at #5 & #6, but still pretty close considering how off I think these rankings usually are.
Big Poppa~ I know the UMAC doesn't get an automatic bid to regionals, but do the LMC or MWC? The Midwest regional is a 4 team tourney correct? I know they've had 4 in the past but I thought I heard somewhere that might change to 6 this year. How much will regional rankings play into bids if it is a 6 team region?
If there weren't any Auto bids I think the regional should be UST, StO, UWW, & CSS if its a 4 team tourney and UST, StO, GAC, UWW, UWO, & CSS if its 6 teams.
ALL 8 regionals move to 6 or 7 teams this year with the expansion to 53 teams.
MWC and LMC both have automatic qualifiers. It should make for an interesting selection process.
Big Poppa~
Thanks for the info.
Do you think UWW and Ripon get in with Pool C bids if they lose in their Conf tourney? Ripon shouldn't, but the WIAC is competitive (although down this year compared to the MIAC)
Assuming all the favorites win (stupid, I know, but lets play What If): Edgewood, Ripon, UWW, USt, and CSS in a Pool B or C (although I debate their case), who gets the last bid? StO or GAC is who I see it coming down to. The MIAC has been stronger than the WIAC this year (8-3 I believe including 4-0 vs the top 4 WIAC playoff seeds). StO and GAC split and then it turns in a Well Yeah But... contest. GAC Has beaten WIAC champ UW Whitewater and its ace, split with nationally ranked NC Wesleyan, and split with regionally ranked Simpson and Williams. StO has swept st scholastica, split with MIAC champ UST, WIAC #3 Stevens Point, and regionally ranked Wash & Jefferson. I really think that whichever of those 2 teams finishes higher in the conf tourney deserves a bid to regions.
Tony Konicek was voted MIAC Player of the Year my sources tell me. Joining him on the All Conf squad from Gustavus were Sr SS Aaron Madsen, Sr P Josh Spitzack, and So. C Shea Roehrkasse
MIAC Playoffs postponed Friday. 2 games will be played Saturday and the rest Sunday. If Saturday gets postponed the tourney would become single elim on Sunday.
Actually, it became single elimination today. There was a rain delay in the middle of the fifth as well. Currently Hamline leads St. Thomas 4-1, heading to top of 9.
http://webpages.charter.net/esieger/sbbsblive/xlive.htm
P Coleman~
Were you at the games yesterday? I went to both with some Gustie Baseball Alum. Mathison pitched incredible in relief of Pitcher of the Year Eric Tobias who couldn't throw strikes.
I hope the Stoles win today so Hamline isn't the MIAC representative in the regionals. If St Olaf wins I think UST deserves a bid, but if Hamline wins, who deserves to go more, StO or UST?? Pretty debatable I think.
No, I'm about 1,200 miles away. Ryan Coleman shot the games, though:
http://www.pictureprints.net/photographers.php?photographer=D3Sports
Jeepers, Ryan is killing me. No shots of the StO-GAC game?? I'll give him a benefit of the doubt and assume he got too engrossed in watching MIAC POY Tony Konicek...
Some good shots of the other games tho.
I believe the weather was an issue with Saturday's games. The UST/Hamline shoot was not a complete-game shoot either.
Yeah, that was part of it. The weather has been unpredicitably bad all week here (rain almost every day). I did get out there today. Yesterday I drove down with Dave Sanders (our other MN photographer) but he had prior obligations in the evening and, since the game started an hour late and with the rain delay, I called it a wash in the fifth inning and we started to head back home.
Ideally, I would have loved to stick around but I was reading the clouds and how quickly things were moving and I didn't see the second game starting before we had to turn back. Sure enough, it started at 5 minutes to 4:00 and we would have been on the road going back in the middle of the first inning.
My sincerest apologies Gustie13. I am sure, however, that the St Olaf photographer got some of the game. You might be able to find some photos on their website.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2006, 01:48:31 AM
I believe the weather was an issue with Saturday's games. The UST/Hamline shoot was not a complete-game shoot either.
Haha, not a problem RC, just giving ya a hard time. Besides Konicek's grand slam I dont how many good pictures the Gusties would have had anyways.
Brackets out (link in MWC thread). Potential St. Olaf v UST 2nd round match up.....
NCAA Division III Regional
at Witter Field, Wisconsin Rapids
Wednesday, May 17
Game 1 – 9:30 a.m. - #5 UW-Stevens Point (29-15) vs. #4 St. Scholastica (36-4)
Game 2 – 1 p.m. - #2 St. Olaf (28-8) vs. #7 Dominican (21-19)
Game 3 – 4:30 p.m. - #3 St. Thomas (29-9) vs. #6 Coe (26-17)
Game 4 – 8 p.m. - #1 Ripon (31-5) vs. Game 1 winner
Thursday, May 18
Game 5 – 9:30 a.m. - Loser Game 2 vs. Loser Game 3
Game 6 – 1 p.m. - Winner Game 2 vs. Winner Game 3
Game 7 – 4:30 p.m. - Loser Game 4 vs. Winner Game 5
Game 8 – 8 p.m. - Loser Game 1 vs. Loser Game 6
Friday, May 19
Game 9 – Noon - Winner Game 4 vs. Winner Game 6
Game 10 – 3:30 p.m. - Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 8
Game 11 – 7 p.m. - Loser Game 9 vs. Winner Game 10
Saturday, May 20
Game 12 – Noon - Winner Game 9 vs. Winner Game 11
Game 13 – 4 p.m. - if necessary
How does the MIAC look this year?
Predictions?
We'll see if we can get any action revved up on this MIAC Board. I'm a "newbie" to these boards, but have followed the MIAC for several years and also follow all of college baseball throughout Minn., Wisc. and Iowa.
I'd have to say the early favorites in the MIAC will be St. Olaf and St. Thomas (UST). St. Olaf has virtually all of their position starters back from their NCAA regional team last year, but lost 2 sr. pitchers who pitched alot (including the MIAC pitcher of the year in '06). But they do have a couple stud pitchers back - pitching depth will be the question. UST lost many position starters to graduation, but has virtually all their pitching back from a staff that was near the top of all D3 in team ERA last year. Their defense should be solid with the pop in the bats being the question mark. They may actually put the ball in play better than recent teams and play more "small ball". After those teams, the sleeper team (although they may not be a sleeper any more as they really emerged last season) may be Hamline who got within one game of getting into the NCAA regionals last year. They were young last year and return lots of talent. They just don't have the tradition of being a contender, but they should be an interesting team to watch. After that, Gustavus, Concordia, and Augsburg lost some key talent to graduation and may struggle a bit. If Bethel could find some pitching, they could surprise. And anybody else in the league would have to have some major surprises to contend. But all this prognosticating doesn't take into account any contributions from stud freshmen or transfers that I don't know about.
I'll make one comment about the WIAC - it has to be the strongest D3 baseball league, outside of possibly the New Jersey conference. Wisc.-Stevens Pt. should be powerful this year led by Jordan Zimmerman, a likely MLB draftee this spring. They did lose some big bats from a year ago (saw them play in the Wisc. Rapids regional last spring), but they return lots of pitching. They, St. Thomas and St. Scholastica (another MidWest perennial power) will play a round robin in the MetroDome on March 5. Should be an interesting start to the year!
I thought eveyone in the MIAC died... glad to finally get a post from you. Thanks for the info on the teams. It is greatly appreciated.
For all of you who were wondering if the world would stop turning without Johnnies, I think this board proves pretty conclusively it would.
Who looks good in 2007?
I'm sure that's not at all related to the Johnnie fans who haze newcomers and chase them off.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 02:45:28 PM
I'm sure that's not at all related to the Johnnie fans who haze newcomers and chase them off.
Well said... There is life outside of the Johnnies, though the Johnnies refuse to admit it.
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 14, 2007, 02:53:36 PM
Well said... There is life outside of the Johnnies, though the Johnnies refuse to admit it.
Blasphemy!
I will accept Mr. Colemans comments as being completely valid. Thank you for your personal honesty PC. We have have often diagreed, but it is 99 percent professional. God Bless!
Do I really need to mention that there were 28 posts in the first 12 months of this forum and 6 posts since I made that comment just over 24 hours ago?
That's great, TC! But what can you tell us about the Johnnies baseball team this spring?
Quote from: Eagle Eyes on February 15, 2007, 12:24:34 PM
That's great, TC! But what can you tell us about the Johnnies baseball team this spring?
about where their hcokey team is, or lower. ::)
Quote from: Eagle Eyes on February 15, 2007, 12:24:34 PM
That's great, TC! But what can you tell us about the Johnnies baseball team this spring?
They're way better than CSB's softball team is expected to be. ;D
How would the experts rank the baseball programs in this league at the colleges known for their academic excellence?
Quote from: Old Spartan on February 20, 2007, 02:05:41 PM
How would the experts rank the baseball programs in this league at the colleges known for their academic excellence?
I use the term "expert" very loosely, but here is what I see in the MIAC:
1. St. Thomas
2. St. Olaf
3. St. John's
4. Gustavus
5. Bethel
6. St. Mary's
7. Macalester
8. Concordia
9. Hamline
10.Carleton
11. Augsburg
* I have a feeling that 1 and 2 are right on and then it is really a crap shoot after that. Thoughts?
Actually, Big Poppa, I think you're not too far off. But I think you've got St. John's too high (I have no idea what they'll have for pitching) and I think Hamline would be my choice for 3rd in the conference right now. They had a nice season last year, made the league playoffs (only 4 teams get in the playoff) and have most of that team back. After the top 3 of St. Thomas, St. Olaf and Hamline, it'll be a real crapshoot.
Tonight Bethel lost a couple games to St. Scholastica 12-1 and 7-5. Bethel looked pretty good defensively and not bad on offense, but their pitching was not very good.
I was able to take in the Bethel-Mayville State game yesterday morning. Overall I would say that Bethel played pretty well winning 8-2 and 6-4. Mayville was not a real strong club, but Bethel played strong defense and hit the ball pretty well. If they can find some consistent pitching I think they will compete for one of those playoff spots. Unfortunately walks hurt them in the st. scholastica series, and they would have done the same in the second game yesterday if Mayville was a little stronger opponent.
I noticed that Stout split with both St Thomas and St Olaf. Stout historically struggles to finish in the upper half of the WIAC. Though I realize it's very early in the season and teams are still experimenting with their lineups, pitching staffs etc.
St Scholastica has a pretty decent program. They've qualified for the NCAA's the past two years and though they haven't gotten out of the regional they have beaten Stevens Point.
Here is how I see the MIAC this year:
1: StO - Mathison and Johnson will be pretty darn good at the top, but behind them there are question marks in the rotation. They might end up doing what Gustavus did last year with Schmidt and Spitzack by trying to have them throw about 2/3 of the innings in conference play. The reason I give the Oles the edge over USt is the offense though. StO is losing only 1 position player from last year and have some talented hitters including Brian Astry (a speed demon), Luke Gagnon, Josh Shultheis, and the studly Andrew Schmiessing (who I've heard has been contacted by major league teams).
2: USt - I expect Riley Bosch to compete for conf pitcher of the year, and Dan Leslie and Erik Olsen aren't slouches either. Their line up will be solid but not spectacular and won't have much power in it. Already have some nice wins this year including #1 Otterbein and St Scholastica, but the 2-4 record against the WIAC doesn't bode well.
3: Hamline - This team will need its pitchers to throw well every single game because besides Andrew Bennett they have no real threats on offense. Josh Roiger, Brian Martin, and Kyle Foster all have the ability to shut down opponents but Roiger is the only one that has pitched well so far this year. I expect Foster and Martin to pick it up when the conference games start and Andrew Bennett will have a fantastic year at the plate.
4: GAC - Before the season began I thought this would be the first Gustavus team to finish lower than 5th in the MIAC since 2000. I thought the losses to graduation of pitchers Andy Schmidt and Josh Spitzack, 4 year starter Aaron Madsen, and 2003 MIAC POY Ben Sherer and the decision by Wade Vrieze not to play his sr season would just be too much to overcome. But after seeing them play in the Dome and hearing the accounts of the spring trip I think this team will return to the playoffs. On offense, the guys ahead of returning MIAC POY and 1st Team All American Tony Konicek MUST get on base and so far they've done a good job of that. The defense will be solid, especially up the middle. The biggest question here is pitching. Schmidt and Spitzack are #1 and #2 in just about every career pitching statistic at GAC and pitched just about every important game the past 2 years. As a result, this years staff is short on experience. Kraig Olsen, Andrew Hoffer, and David Wold can dominate games (Hoffer had a W against UWWhitewater last year and Wold beat NC Wesleyan last year and Whitewater this year) but can also get lit up. Depending on how those 3 guys mature, this team could be very dangerous this year. Picked up a nice sweep of #12 UWWhitewater already this year and played tough against #11 Southern Maine.
5: Bethel - The Carr brothers pretty much single handedly have the team this high. I wouldn't be surprised if Kirby won the MIAC POY or if he got an opportunity to play professionally after this season. Dana Hegman needs to have a big year hitting behind Kirby because teams may choose to simply pitch around him again this year and Hegman needs to make them pay. Pitching is this teams weakness, but if they're pitchers can learn to keep them in games the offense can win it for them. Nice win over #5 UWSP.
6: St Johns - This team needs Josh Hollenhorst to return to 2005 form (4-0 1.59 era) instead of 2006 form (2-5 3.42 era) to have a shot at making the playoffs. I expect they'll finish somewhere around 8-12, 9-11 in conference and for the third year in a row go an entire season without hitting a ball to the opposite field.
7: Macalaster - If Fr James Murrey (3-0 1.52 era) and Sr Ted Kimble (3-0 3.18 era, W vs #4 TCNJ) continue to pitch this well I could see this team surprising some teams this year. They've also got 3 regulars hitting .390+ but I don't expect that to continue.
8: Carleton - Perennial bottom feeder at it again, especially after losing Luke Muellerleile. I'm surprised to see Doug Sylvester hitting only .250 so far this year.
9: Concordia - Can't have Chris Klabo hitting .118 after losing Brian Schumacher to graduation. May beat a few teams up in Concordia, but I don't think they'll make much noise this year.
10: St Marys - DH vs Concordia in Winona last weekend of the year may be only conference wins of the year.
MIAC Player of the Year:
1: Tony Konicek GAC
2: Kirby Carr BU
3: Andrew Schmiessing StO
All 3 of these studs could easily win the award this year.
Dark Horse: Andrew Bennett HU - very talented but may get pitched around.
MIAC Pitcher of the Year:
1: Josh Roiger HU
2: Riley Bosch USt
3: Brian Mathison StO
Roiger may lose out on the award if he doesn't get enough wins because his offense can't score any runs.
Dark Horse: Andrew Hoffer GAC - has the stuff but isn't a natural pitcher and is hampered by a hamstring injury currently.
Below is the coaches preseason poll:
1. St. Thomas (8)
2. St. Olaf (3)
3. Gustavus
4. Hamline
5. Concordia
6. Bethel
7. Saint John's
8. Augsburg
9. Macalester
10. Carleton
11. Saint Mary's
Gustie13, Great summary of the baseball race in the conference! Should be interesting to see how it plays out!
Thanks! I could have spent a little more time on teams 6-10 but I figure I'd better not bore people :)
I'm really looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
FYI for everyone, Zach Goldberg, former UST catcher, signed with the Lincoln Saltdogs of the American Association. Their tryouts were just held down in Ft Worth and Goldberg was signed after performing.
Thought someone might be interested, the Fargo Fool-Em had an article today on CORDS young guns (http://www.in-forum.com/Sports/articles/161164) pitching staff! Sounds like Bucky is prettty excited about them.
Coach Burgau will certainly need them to pitch well: Concordia lost 3 of its top 4 starting pitchers (including staff ace Blake Trenbeath - 7-2 3.02era 6cg).
So far only the only Fr P with an era under 10.00 is Adam Johnson at 3.77 in 14 1/3inn...
So far the SMU @ SJU, GAC @ UST, and BU @ CU DHs have been postponed (SMU-SJU & GAC-UST to 4/1, BU-CU to 4/2).
I'd be very surprised if all the other conference openers aren't postponed as well. Soggy up here.
Amend my previous statement: Aug @ Hamline is being played in the Metrodome. Augsburg won game 1 6-5. Winning pitcher: Jason Kickhaffer, Losing pitcher: Josh Roiger. HU was up 3-1 in the 4th when I left.
Week 1 Update:
Olaf sweeps Mac (Mathison beats Kimble 3-0, Johnson beats Murrey 8-1. Mathison throws 3-hitter. StO's Schmiessing 1-6 on the day)
SJU sweeps SMU (5-3, 7-4)
GAC and UST split (UST 3 - GAC 2 in 10 inn game 1, GAC 6 - UST 3 in game 2. Hoffer-Bosch matchup in game 1 was pretty good: Bosch went 6 allowing 1er, Hoffer went 8 allowing 1er. Tony Konicek 6-9 in the dh. David Wold picks up game 2 win)
HAM and AUG split (Aug 6 - Ham 5 in game 1, Ham 4 - Aug 3 in game 2. Roiger didn't pitch very well in game 1 loss for HU, Augsburg so. pitcher Jason Kickhaffer picked the win. Kyle Foster got cg victory in game 2 for HU)
*BU @ Con delayed yet another day*
Gustie13, Looking at the weather up this way, My guess is BU and CON is going to be postponed for more than a day! >:( Snow is piling up and it looks like it is going to keep snowing for a while!
Quote from: sumander on April 03, 2007, 11:00:10 AM
Gustie13, Looking at the weather up this way, My guess is BU and CON is going to be postponed for more than a day! >:( Snow is piling up and it looks like it is going to keep snowing for a while!
Gotta love the midwest weather in the spring.
The conference should just rent out the dome until mid-April :)
Does any team have field turf for their baseball filed that would allow them to play after rain?
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 03, 2007, 01:57:25 PM
Does any team have field turf for their baseball filed that would allow them to play after rain?
Both Macalaster and UST have turf infields and grass outfields, making playing right after rain tough.
Concordia and St Mary's have the 2 worst fields for weather delays (Concordia because its so much further north and St Mary's because of the poor field. Twice in the past 5 years SMU has had to move home DHs to the opponents field because theirs was unplayable).
Word on the street is GAC ace Andrew Hoffer (2-0 1.42era, 19 inn, .129 avg against) may be done for the season with elbow problems experienced towards the end of the UST game.
MIAC Week 2 Preview -
Standings:
St. Olaf 2-0
Saint John's 2-0
St. Thomas 1-1
Gustavus 1-1
Hamline 1-1
Augsburg 1-1
Bethel 0-0
Carleton 0-0
Concordia 0-0
Macalester 0-2
Saint Mary's 0-2
Games 4/4
MAC @ HU - With MAC pitching its 2 best pitchers against StO 4/2, HU should expect a sweep here. HU's offense sputtered against AUG and Coach Verdugo had to get creative to get runs across (1: #8 batter bunting a runner into scoring position for the #9 hitter, 2: squezzing a runner in from 3rd with 1 out and #3 hitter Andrew Bennett on deck), so they'll look to get more on track against MAC.
AUG @ UST - Actually home games for Augsburg but Parade Stadium was deemed unplayable. AUG surprised HU with a split last week but UST still has one of its better pitchers (Dan Leslie) available to throw after pitching Bosch, Bullis, and Olsen against GAC. Expect a UST sweep.
SMU @ CAR - I don't expect either of these teams to win more than 5 MIAC games, but if either of them wants to contend for the playoffs it better get a sweep here. My guess is Carlton.
Games 4/5
BU @ StO - This will be BU's first conference action and StO threw Mathison and Johnson against MAC, so it'll be BU's 1 and 2 pitchers against StO's 3 and 4. If BU's pitchers can keep the StO offense off track (a big IF) then a split isn't out of the question and it would help BU's playoff chances immensly.
SJU @ Con - I doubt even THIS game up in Concordia will get played considering the weather, but if it is I'd expect to see a split. CON isn't very good (especially with Chris Klabo not hitting well because of a bum shoulder) but its very tough to win 2 in Concordia.
Games 4/7
Con @ UST - This will be the 3rd of 4 consecutive home MIAC DHs for UST (because of Parade's field conditions) and it'll be Bosch's and Olsen's turn in the rotation. Denning may try submariner Will Montgomery against Con to save Bosch or Olsen for UST's matchup with BU on 4/10 but considering his outing against GAC (3inn, 5er, 7h) that might not work. UST sweep.
CAR @ SJU - SJU's 1 and 2 will be up against CAR's 3 and 4 so I'd expect an SJU sweep. If Carlton has any postseason aspirations it needs a split.
HU @ GAC - DH of the week, both teams will have their 1 and 2s throwing (HU: Roiger, Foster. GAC: Hoffer, Wold). Neither Roiger (0-1 19.1 era) nor Foster (1-2 8.12 era) has great career stats against GAC, but Foster threw a gem last year and Roiger is a different pitcher now. Wold got a cg win last year vs Hamline and Hoffer got some relief duty, but the outcome of this DH may depend largely on whether Hoffer is healthy enough to pitch. GAC will be playing its first game on its new field so it will be interesting to see how things go. GAC sweep.
SMU @ StO - Home games for SMU moved to StO because SMU's field deemed unplayable. I wouldn't expect much of a fight for StO here, sweep.
MAC @ BU - If MAC has any hopes of making the playoffs they need to get back on track against BU because they'll most likely be 0-4 heading into this DH. MAC will have its 1 and 2 up against BUs 3 and 4 so its not out of the question either. BU needs a sweep here, but I think they'll split.
Player of year race -
1: Tony Konicek GAC: Started out the conf season going 4-4 against UST ace Riley Bosch and ended up 6-9 in the DH. Conf Stats to date: .667avg, 6h, 3-2b, 2r, 1rbi
2: Kirby Carr BU: BU will need Kirby's bat against StO this week. No conf games yet.
3: Andrew Schmiessing StO: Has to be dissapointed with performance against MAC. Conf Stats to date: .167avg, 1h, 1r, 1rbi. Hopefully will feast on BU and SMU pitching this week.
On the radar: Andrew Bennett HU, Luke Gagnon StO, Pat OLaughlin HU, Carson Jones StO.
Pitcher of the year race -
1: Todd Mathison: Can't argue with a cg 3 hitter, even if it was against MAC. Conf Stats to date: 1-0 0.00 era 7inn 8k .125 avg against
2: Andrew Hoffer: His place in this race is completely dependent on the health of his elbow. Threw great against UST. Conf Stats to date: 0-0 1.12 era 8inn 3k .160 avg against
3: Riley Bosch: Kept a good GAC lineup from driving in runners Monday. Conf Stats to date: 0-0 1.50 era 6inn 3k .304 avg against
On the radar: Josh Roiger HU, Kyle Foster HU, Paul Johnson StO, TJ Nelson SJU.
Gustie13, Once again kudos for the post. Story from the Fool-Em today on CORD'S baseball schedule (http://www.in-forum.com/Sports/articles/161721). :(
This weather is throwing a huge wrench in the conference season! All the games Wednesday were postponed and I know of a few tomorrow that have already been postponed. Most teams are going to have 6 games next week!
Story in the St. Cloud Daily Planet (http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070410/SPORTS/104100007/1002) about the scheduling woes of the SJU Baseball team.
Gustie, Do you have an update on Andrew Hoffer's arm?
From what I heard in the dugout on the 2nd he had a minor tear to his right brachioradialis in the 3rd inning and still pitched another solid 5. (I could be wrong as to the arm, I tried to confirm he's right-handed and no one seems to know).
Ryan, not sure if you're kidding about that medical term or not :) Hoffer pitched against Hamline 1 week after the UST game and went 3 innings, giving up 3 runs (1 earned) and 5 hits, taking the loss in Game 1. His fastball did not appear to have the pop it normally does but he's going to continue to pitch. He's schedule to throw against SJU tomorrow.
Updated Standings and notes -
# 6 StO 6-0 Not to take anything away from the Oles, but their 3 sweeps have come against Mac, SMU, and Con. It'll be interesting to see if the schedule changes expose their weakness in pitching depth. Still the best team in the conference, IMO. SJU and HU DHs this week will be good tests for this team.
SJU 4-0 Sweeps against Hamline and SMU. Their Game 1 extra inning victory against Roiger and Foster today impresses me. They're not going to score a ton of runs but it looks like they'll be able pull out the close ones. Currently in the middle of the toughest part of their schedule: Will end up playing 10 MIAC games in 8 days (HU, GAC, StO, UST, Con). Opponents are hitting .355 against Josh Hollenhorst but he has 7 pickoffs in 28 innings!
# 24 UST 7-1 Sweeps against BU, SMU, & Con, split with GAC. Riley Bosch pitched a 1 hit gem against BU on Friday. Have a week to rest up for SJU next Sat.
GAC 4-2 Swept Augs, split with UST and HU. Have Hoffer and Wold throwing against SJUs #2 and #4(?) tomorrow in what could be a big matchup. SJU, Con and SMU coming up this week.
HU 4-4 Getting swept by SJU was a surprise to me, especially with Roiger and Foster pitching. Still, with Mac and BU still this week before 4/21 matchup with StO they have a good chance of being 8-4 going into Saturday.
Aug 3-3 Split with HU, swept SMU, swept by GAC. Lack of pitching depth was apparent in Game 2 vs Gac (19-2 loss, 22 hits for GAC, 5 pitchers used by Aug). Could be even uglier against UST tomorrow with 5th and 6th games in 3 days.
BU 2-4 Splits with Car and Mac are a big blow to playoff chances and .284 team avg has to be dissapointing. Kirby Carr's 5 xtra base hits (2-2b, 1-3b, 2-hr) in 64 at bats is VERY surprising to me. On the flip side, team era of 3.84 is a pleasant surprise. MUST take 3 of 4 this week against Con and HU to expect to make the playoffs.
Mac 1-3 Nice split with BU, and aces will be rested for DH against HU so another split isn't out of the question. If the Scots go 4-2 against HU, SMU, and Car this week a playoff birth may not be that far fetched. Schedule working nicely in their favor (aces pitching against HU and Car).
Car 1-3 Split with BU, swept by HU. DHs against MAC, Augs, and SMU coming up will show what kind of team this is. 2-4 during that stretch is my guess.
Con 0-4 Swept by UST and StO, playing both teams tough in one game (3-2L vs UST, 2-1L vs StO) and getting blown out in the other (8-1L vs UST, 9-2L vs StO). Good to see Chris Klabo's avg creeping up after shoulder injury down south slowed this good hitter down. 8 games in 8 days coming up again BU, GAC, Augs, and SJU. Will need to go 6-2 somehow to have any playoff hopes.
SMU 0-8 Led UST 7-2 before giving up 9runs in the 5th and lost. Better hope they catch MAC's or Con's #3s or #4s when they face off or the first WINLESS season in conf history may be in store.
Player of the Year:
1: Tony Konicek, GAC
2: Andrew Schmiessing, StO
3: Jay Kasner, SJU
On the radar: Chris Terazzas, StO, Carson Jones, StO, Luke Gagnon, StO
Didn't have time to type out everyone's stats but this could be a very interesting race if Konicek's RBI total is kept down by a combination of not having very many opportunities and being walked or pitched around when he does (case in point, Game 2 vs Hamline where he was intentionally walked 4 times with runners on) and Schmiessing and the StO offense continues to roll.
Pitcher of the Year:
1: Todd Mathison, StO
2: Riley Bosch, UST
3: TJ Nelson, SJU
On the radar: Andrew Hoffer, GAC, David Wold, GAC, Paul Johnson, StO, Kyle Foster, HU
Mathison gave up his first conference earned runs EVER today. 2 earned runs in 50 1/3 career conf innings. Unbelievable.
Gustie13, Love the updates! Keep 'em coming.
What are the prospects of the Johnnies getting a split at STO on Wednesday?
Quote from: sumander on April 17, 2007, 10:13:23 AM
Gustie13, Love the updates! Keep 'em coming.
What are the prospects of the Johnnies getting a split at STO on Wednesday?
Will do. I'm hoping to have time between Wednesday and Saturday to throw together a mid-year report (with the weather delays some teams won't be at 10 conf games yet, but some will be at 12 already, so I'm arbitrarily picking this as the midpoint).
I'd give the Johnnies a fair shot at pulling off the split.
My best guess is that they won't face Mathison or Johnson because both pitched Saturday and StO has Hamline on the 21st so Coach McDonald will probably save those 2 pitchers for HU. Only 1 other pitcher on the StO roster has more than 1 start this year (Andy Dimick) because Mathison and Johnson have started 12 of 19 games for Olaf. Given that, and the fact that SJU will have its ace, TJ Nelson, going, i'd say they have a legit shot at winning one game.
But then again I didn't give AuggieTech a snowballs chance in hell of beating UST on Sunday, in their 5th and 6th games in 3 days, with no pitchers left after facing SMU and GAC, so what do I know :)
If you'd told me that StO was going to get 8 runs (5 earned) off SJU ace TJ Nelson I'd never have guessed SJU would still pull off the split, but congrats to the johnnies.
Updated standings:
#6 StO: 7-1
#24 UST: 8-2
SJU: 6-2
GAC: 7-3
HU: 6-6
AUG: 5-5
BU: 4-6
CAR: 3-5
SMU: 3-9
MAC: 2-6
CON: 1-7
Any thoughts on whether the top 4 teams currently will be the playoff participants?
I would love to see that but not sure if the J's can hang on. Sounds like STO rocked their ace. Like you said earlier, they are in the toughest stretch of their schedule. We will no a lot more about the Johnnies by next Wednesday!
Sum - looks you & Gustie13 are having your own conversation over here. I haven't seen another posterr on here other than you 2 in weeks! ;D Keep up the posts G13.
I'm surprised Mose hasn't stopped by. I thought baseball was his favorite sport.
Drake, Thanks for stopping by to visit! Just trying to get up to speed on MIAC baseball. As long as we have someone like Gustie13 posting it's easier staying in the loop.
I don't think Mose has recovered from the Tomcats season ending loss in BB. We haven't seen hide nor hair of him since then! ;D
Sorry for the length, but I didn't want to miss anything...
MID YEAR REPORT
Standings: Conf Record (Coaches Poll Finish, Gustie13 Proj Finish, BigPoppa Proj Finish). Remaining opponents conf win %
1:StO: 7-1 (2, 1, 2) .557
Suffered first conf loss in last dh vs SJU with weakness in rotation behind Mathison and Johnson having been possibly exposed. Johnson and Mathison have started 12 of 21 games and certainly are great, but come MIAC playoff or Regional time they won't be able to pitch every game and StO will have to outslug its opponents when they're not pitching. Offensively, team average of .367 (.392 in conf!) and 8.19 runs/game are impressive, as is their team fielding percentage of .969. 5 regulars are hitting over .400. Mathison's career MIAC era of .50 (2 er in 50 innings) is sick. Still my pick to win the conf, but have a tougher road ahead.
2:UST: 8-2 (1, 2, 1) .545
Unbelievable pitching depth, with a good #1 in Riley Bosch and Leslie, Olsen, Bullie, and Robinson to follow. The pitching staff leads the conf in era at 2.77. However, an offense averaging only 5 runs/game in conference could be their downfall. Will have to play mistake free baseball and manufacture runs to win. Jr Chris Bullis is biggest offensive threat (.410, 4hr, 25 rbi). Pitching depth will let them challenge StO in conf tourney if they can get past Mathison and Johnson.
3:SJU: 6-2 (7, 6, 3) .415
Biggest surprise team in my mind. Returned a lot of starters from an 8-12 team last year. Good team era (4.22) but offense has 2nd worst ba in conf (.277). BA in conf is considerably higher (.319) but still only averaging 5 runs/game. 1b Jay Kasner has almost 1/3 of teams RBIs (25 vs 90). TJ Nelson was in the Pitcher of the Year discussion before ugly start vs Olaf (3 2/3 inn, 8r, 5er, 12h). Still a one dimensional hitting team in my mind (dead pull). Have one of the easiest 2nd half schedules. They'd really have to crumble to miss the playoffs.
4:GAC: 7-3 (3, 4, 4) .413
Easiest schedule remaining, playing teams currently 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th (plus StO). Inexperience staff has stepped, performing very well (3.55 era, 2.5-1 k-bb ratio). Andrew Hoffer can dominate but is prone to control problems. Offense clearly leans on reigning Conf MVP and All American Tony Konicek (.448, 13xbh, 24rbi) who just recently took over the all time GAC RBI lead and became 1 of 8 MIAC players with 200 career hits (link to list minus Konicek's 201 http://www.stthomas.edu/tommies/shared/shownews.cfm?ArticleID=3565 ). Will need to continue to get production from 1b Pat Siering (10rbi in conf) and lf Eric Bigham (conf player of the week) when teams intentionally walk Konicek (6IBB in 10 conf games). C Shea Roehrkasse has thrown out 7 of 11 potential base stealers in conf.
5:HU: 6-6 (4, 3, 9) .486
Biggest disappointment, along with BU, in my mind. I thought their pitching would dominate more, but Roiger hasn't been able to follow up his 8-1 soph season (3-2, 3.34era) and no pitcher has stepped up behind Roiger and Foster (6-3, 2.98era). Even though SS Andrew Bennett is hitting .366 with 4hr in conf he still only has 7rbi and is fielding just .909. I really thought he'd have a breakout year. Team BA is middle of the pack but 4 runs/game in the conference is pretty bad. Play UST and StO next and I think they'll have to go 3-1 in those games to have a prayer of making the playoffs.
6:Aug: 5-5 (8, 7, 11) .476
Not a bad start for a team that lost 4 pitchers that started 35 of 39 games last year. Scrappy team, middle of the pack in hitting, fielding, and pitching. I was very surprised with their win vs UST this week. SJU-transfer Jason Kickhafer has been a welcome addition (3-3, 2.34era, .219opp ba). Trying to keep Sr. Andy Nelson off base been tough for opponents (15bb, 13hbp) and has stolen 14 of 16 bases when he does reach. A sweep against SJU when they face off next week is a must if they want to make the playoffs.
7:BU: 4-6 (6, 5, 5) .583
The Carr brothers have NOT lived up to expectations. For a guy that should have been the Conf MVP in 2005 (.444, 11hr, 4 3b, 45rbi, 12 of 13sb) and has 25 career hr Kirby has definitely underperformed this year (.403, 8xbh). Coming into the season only 55 hits shy of 200 I would have almost guaranteed he'd get there. Now that milestone is in doubt as he needs 24 in his team's final 14 games. Younger brother Brandon's power numbers have gone up (14xbh already this year vs 13 last year) but ba (.468 vs .356) and sb (18 of 22 vs 2 of 5) have suffered. Middle of the pack is not where I expected this lineup to be. Only bright spots are that their team era is also in the middle of the conf and 4 of their final 5 dhs are against teams above them in the standings.
8:Car: 3-5 (10, 9, 10) .564
No real power threats to speak of offensively, but .299 team ba is nice and they can steal bases (45-51). 6.40 team era and .920 fielding percentage are dreadful and their numbers are even more exaggerated in conference (.333 team ba but 9.67 team era and .912 field %). P Ethan Guevin is a diamond in the rough (4-2, 1.70era, 42k in 37inn, .236opp ba). I'd hate to be the team fighting for a playoff that overlooks these guys and gets stuck with an L after facing Guevin.
9:SMU 3-9 (11, 11, 6) .475
I really thought this team would flirt with being the first winless conference team ever, but split with Car fixed that and sweep of Mac was a surprise. Sr. Nick Winecke will finish his career with the most at bats and errors of anyone at SMU. Not to be outdone by Car, SMU's pitching staff is valiantly trying to have the worst conf era (8.78).
10:Mac 2-6 (9, 8, 7) .556
Pitchers Ted Kimble (4-2, 3.51era) and James Murrey (4-2 2.30 era) keep them in games, but they have the worst offense in the conference (in conf stats: .253ba, 2.75 runs/game). Fielding stats are a bit on an enigma: Full season - .928 field %, In Conf - .962!
11:Con 1-7 (5, 10, 8) .431
After seeing this team in person, I feel confident they will not finish in the cellar of the conference. They've played 3 probably playoff teams (StO, UST, & GAC) and nearly beat each of them in one game, coming up a run short in each case. A majority of remaining games are at home (8 home vs 4 away) and against teams in the bottom half of the conference, so an 9-11 year is about where I see them ending up. Injury to Chris Klabo hurt the offense, as the team has languished in conference (.254ba, 3.5 runs/game).
Player of the Year:
Andrew Schmiessing, StO.
I'm not saying I think this is who the coaches will get it to and the end of the year, but at the midway point, I think he's the POY. I just think he's a little ahead of Konicek in most categories (BA: .468 v .448, H: 36 v 30, Xbh: 16 v 13, Runs: 27 v 19, OBP: .533 v .512). It's a two horse race at this point and it'll be interesting to see how the 2nd half goes for both and if other factors like the strength of the lineup around Schmiessing, and the fact that Konicek is a Sr and Schmieesing a Jr play a part in the coaches' final decision.
Pitcher of the Year:
Todd Mathison, StO
VERY similar overall stats to Riley Bosch at this point (Record: 6-0 v 5-1, ERA: 1.70 v .99, INN: 42 1/3 v 45 1/3, K: 31 v 31, BB: 11 v 13) but I give it to Mathison because he's given up very Xbh (4 v 11), has 4 CGs to Bosch's 1, and the 2 earned runs he's given up this year are the only 2 he's allowed in his career. Coaches may be swayed by the fact that Bosch is a Sr and Mathison only a So, however. HU's Kyle Foster isn't out of it yet, but Bosch and Mathison would have to falter for him to overtake them.
*Side note* I think you have to mention Konicek's name as one of, if not the, greatest hitter in conference history. If you look at the list of hitters with 200 career hits first note that the top 3 (which Konicek will surely reach) played professionally and then notice the number of games each hitter played in, comparing that to Konicek at this point in his career (201 hits, 132 games).
G-13, Great report, Thank you. The Carr brothers are from my neck of the woods. I watched them through out their high school careers. both were real solid ball players! I did see a highlights of both Carr's getting dingers against the Cobbs in the recent DH.
At some point in time one would have to think the Johnnies lack of offense is going to catch up with them!
Sum - Neither the johnnies nor the tommies have a very good offense to be honest.
Saturday notes:
Mathison hurt and leaves game after 2/3 inn. Anyone know what happened?
SJU and UST split
Konicek hits a triple on an attempted IBB and lifts GAC over SMU in extras
*the playoffs are virtally set with StO, UST, SJU, and GAC. Its basically seeding from here on*
Any more news on Mathison. Its never good to see a good player go down.
St. Scholastica beat Gustavus 13-1 and 7-0. Looks like Gustavus did not pitch any of their top pitchers but probably did not matter since they only scored one run in two games.
Saints put the first game away early by scoring 8 runs in the bottom of the first.
Two big wins for St. Scholastica probably needed both of them to help their effort for a bid
Right now, who are your midseason all-conf. notable players?
St Olaf swept Bethel 11-6 and 7-4. Two HR's by Schmeising and 5 hits by Terrazas (1 HR) led the victories. Mathison was fully dressed but didn't play. If Mathison can come back at full strength, his injury could be a silver lining for the Oles as it's forcing some of the other pitchers to step it up.
J's sweep the Cobbers 10-1;7-3. They must have caught the bottom part of the Cobbers rotation
Unfortunately, I don't think there is much of a top end of the Concordia rotation.
GAC sweeps MAC, Aug sweeps SJU, StO sweep Car, and the rumor mill has it that USt lost at least one and maybe 2 to HU.
I'm working on an all-conf team...
I also must strongly disagree with the Midwest rankings that put UWW ahead of GAC. Gac swept UWW in AZ, has a better overall record (17-9 vs 14-11-1) and better conf record (11-3 vs 7-6-1).
My midwest rankings would be:
St Olaf (miac)
UW Oshkosh (wiac)
UW Stevens Point (wiac)
St Thomas (miac)
St Scholastica (umac)
Gustavus (miac)
Ripon (midwest)
Mathison was done after 2/3 of an inning because of a strained elbow in his pitching arm. He didn't play against Carleton today, but the hope is that he can come back and play Saturday at shortstop against St. Thomas. The thought process is that he might take some time away from the mound so he can focus on playing infield and hitting, at least that's what his dad told me.
Something called Alex Beckman throws a 2-hit shutout against the Knights today as the Oles sweep Carleton 2-0 and 11-5. Game two was 11-2 Oles until the seventh. Jones hit a two-run bomb to left and Schmiesing was 3-for-3 with a double and three runs scored. The Oles don't have a weak spot in their lineup and their pitching is solid enough to run away with the MIAC. UST will be the biggest test.
Not sure if I agree with the outlook for Mathison. The Ole's need Todd to pitch. They don't lose much with Maus at short either defensively or offensively. I'm hopeful that Todd does not go back to short so that he can focus on pitching in the playoffs. With him pitching the Ole's have a real shot at getting to the World Series. Without......I'm not so sure. Alex Beckman was impressive in yesterday's game against Carleton. He pitched a two-hit shutout, his pitches were consistently down, and he mixed his speeds up well. Two points to consider, Carleton is not Gustavus and the umpire had a low strike zone. On another point, Chris Terrazas, two time all-MIAC and all region player, rolled his ankle in the third inning. He played a few more but had to be pulled in the 6th when the game was in hand. It will hurt tremendously if Chris, a pure fastball hitter, is not in the lineup against UST this weekend.
Despite getting swept by Auggie Tech it appears SJU still controls it's own playoff destiny. The J's need to split their three remaining series(CAR,BET,MAC) to finish at 12-8. Auggie Tech would hold the tiebreaker on the J's so they need to go 5-1 in their remaining series (MAC,STOLAF,BET) to get to 12-8. I can't see that happening.
HAM can get to 11-9 and BET woudl have to go 6-0 against GAC,SJU,AUG to get their! Tha won't happen either.
For their effort it looks like they will probably end up with STOLAF in the playoffs!
St. Thomas wins the opener against St. Olaf. Believe Ryan told me it was 5-4.
Four playoff teams pretty much set by now unless Augsburg pulls off a miracle this next week and wins out and the Johnnies fall off. Augsburg failed to sweep Macalester by losing the second game 4-2; their offense is somewhat weak in my opinion.
Mac should have Kimble and Murrey available to throw against USt tomorrow, could pull off an upset.
After seeing the BU hitters Saturday in person I can't believe they're only 7-9 in conf. The wind was blowing out, but they seemed to hit everything hard. Their games against SJU will be huge for the Johnnies and Auggies.
StO @ St Scholastica today. I can't imagine mcdonald pitchs anyone all that good with DHs against Aug and GAC coming up and the #1 seed on the line. CSS will probably sweep or at least split and end up 9-2 or 8-3 against the MIAC.
Mathison still hasn't played since 4/21 (Josh Maus is 9-20 in that span so mcdonald hasn't had to play Mathison at SS) and Johnson was roughed up against USt. They're dh against GAC 5/5 should be good.
Gustie, Don't disagree that the JSU BET series will be big, but J's still control their own destiny. They have two with MAC after the BET series. MAC has 2 with UST prior to that series. My guess is the J's will catch the bottom of the MAC rotation. Even if the J's go 1-3 in that stretch, Auggie Tech has to go 3-1 against BET and Stolaf!
completely agree. I wasn't predicting Aug would beat out SJU for a playoff spot, I was just saying that without a BU sweep of SJU Aug could kiss their postseason hopes goodbye, so its huge in the sense that SJU can basically clinch.
CSS splits with StO and the dh only goes to further my belief that scholastica should be severly handicapped when being considered for an at large berth to Regionals because of their extreme advantage playing in the UMAC.
StO threw no one better than their #4/5 pitcher Alex Sommer because they just played USt and have 4 MIAC games coming up but CSS throws 4 of its top 5 guys because they were able to throw their lesser pitcher against Martin Luther and Northland (combined records: 11-44). StO touched up CSS ace Moriarty for 5 er in 4 innings.
CSS beat up on my Gusties, I won't deny that. But you can tell what Coach Carroll thought of the games by throwing 5 freshman pitchers who he's felt confident enough to pitch all of 5 combined MIAC innings. Coach Baggs? He threw his #2 and #3. Yes, I know the scores were lopsided, but its pretty hard to put up much of a fight when the scores of the 2 games were 12-1 and 7-0 after 4 innings.
Bethany played at GAC Sunday and earned the split and I give them credit for that. Bethany also beat CSS this year (their 3rd conf loss in 10 seasons) so they're a good squad and I hope they beat CSS in the UMAC tourney.
But anyone that thinks from looking at CSS's record against the MIAC this year (8-3) that they would be the best team in the conf is just plain stupid.
How can you not make a pretty good argument that Scholastica is just as good as St. Olaf or anybody else at the top of the MIAC when you look at the scores of the games? I don't care who's pitching, they split with the oles and swept the gusties. Last time I checked, the win/loss column was more important than a particular name in the box score.
By the way, perhaps the UMAC isn't quite as easy for Scholastica to breeze through as Northwestern, who is currently in fourth place in the UMAC, swept Bethel at Hargis this afternoon. I'd give the Johnnies the mental and physical edge due to these losses today, but I don't think you can bet against Kirby hitting a couple over the fence.
I don't think the Johnnies winning 2 games against both Bethel and Macalester will be as easy as everyone here makes it out to be. Bethel can give anyone a run for their money any given day with the capabilities their offense has. It just depends which end of the Bethel rotation SJU gets and where SJU allots their rotation. I'd imagine they would probably go with their top end of the rotation against Bethel to slow down their offense and take their chances with Macalester's weaker hitting. Even so, Bethel's proven that they can hit any pitcher on any given day.
With that being said however, Macalester won't be a cakewalk for SJU either. Kimble pitched this past weekend and this monday against the Cobbers and I don't know if the Mac coach really wants to throw their ace Murrey out on 2-3 days rest against the Tommies. I think it's very possible that SJU gets the 1-2 of Mac on Saturday; which if that's the case, SJU could be looking at a split or even a sweep if they pitch their lesser pitchers.
However, Augsburg still needs to make things happen. Taken two from Bethel would be hard enough; but earning a split against St. Olaf to go 3-1 on the week and banking on the Johnnies to fall off? Sounds a little farfetched. I think the four teams are already set, with seeding being the only issue now.
With SJU at 11-5 and Aug at 8-8 the auggies need to go at least 3-1 but more likely 4-0 against StO and BU and I just don't see that happening.
I don't think the Johnnies will have an easy go of it, especially considering how good BU looked Saturday, but I don't see them going 0-4 either.
BU's starting pitchers yesterday were Charlie Zak (2-3, 6.93era) and Chris Nordell (0-2, 9.95era) who are their #5 and #6 pitchers while Northwestern threw 4 of their top 5 pitchers. How can you not pay attention to who is pitching? Its obvious that the MIAC teams can't throw their better pitchers in nonconference games and that the UMAC teams save their best guys to throw against the MIAC. Its a ridiculous comparison.
All the scores of the games prove is that CSS can hit the #5-#10 guys in GACs and StOs rotation. And if you want to look at records CSS is 3-6 against USt and StO in the past 2 years and their ace Moriarty is 1-3 in those games.
The only pitcher with an era of under 6.95 and more than three innings of work that Bethel threw yesterday was Travis Adams. Bethel pitched Buteyn in the eigth and he preceeded to give up three runs and the game. In return, Northwestern did not throw their most successful pitcher, Andy Evensen, or Leif Borg, a guy who in his last start threw a complete game, two hitter. After those two, there are no other pitchers on Northwestern's lineup.
This game is won on offense as well as defense. I think Bethel understands that pretty well as they seem very offensively oriented. They also understand that they were swept by their rival down the road. If you want to make yourself feel better about a loss, go ahead and say "so and so didn't pitch, it doesn't count", that's fine. In the real world, it's still a loss. You don't get a point in the standings for an overtime loss or an extra credit point for withholding your best pitcher.
Once again, all conference team anyone?
I'll wait until after Saturday's games to come up with an all-conf team. I'll just do top 2 from each position + 8 or 9 pitchers. And I won't have the requirements of 1 person from each team makes it.
Augs and StO split 12-11 and 6-5, so the updated top 4 are:
USt 14-4
GAC 14-4
StO 14-4
SJU 13-5
Mac @ SJU
StO @ GAC
Car @ USt *Sunday*
USt holds the major advantage of having swept StO and facing Car in its last dh. If USt and GAC tie at 16-4 (unlikely) then it will come down to a coin toss because they split and will have the same record against each of the other conf opponents.
G-13-
not to argue with one of my favorite catchers, but if UST & GAC both sweep and tie for top spot, it wont come down to coin toss. Tie breakers are as follows:
Baseball Tie Breaker for MIAC Baseball Tournament
1 Head to head results
2. Results against other teams in playoffs
3. Results against teams not in playoffs from highest finish to lowest finish
4. Coin toss
They split head to head so #1 is moot; they'd have identical records against the playoff field so #2 is moot.
#3 would break the tie. GAC & UST split with HU, so it would come down to who finishes higher, BU or Aug... GAC needs Auggie to finish higher as they swept AC and split with BU. UST needs Bethel to finish higher as they swept BU but split with Auggie.
What's interesting is that if GAC sweeps today, Olaf very likely will fall to FOURTH.
Any way you pair the playoff field up, there will be a lot of good ballgames next weekend.
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Drake & Sum....I've bounced back from the end of hoops within days of the end of the season. I've jsut been swamped with things and asa result havent had much to say on here. But thanks for noticing my absence :)
Player of year is a tough one to pick-- you have 3 guys, all about equal. I haven't seen Schmeissing, but have seen Konicek & Carr several times each. Both are incredible players and frighteningly good hitters. The HR Carr hit to left at GAC Saturday was a monstrous shot.
I think the coaches' decision will go like this: we'll give to Schmeissing next year, and we gave it to Konicek last year... so let's give it to Carr to spread it around. Personally, I'd be hard pressed to choose between those 3. Kasner is a solid player, but is a half-notch below these 3.
Pitcher of the year-- has to be Mathison, although if the title was on the line and I could use any MIAC pitcher, I'd go with Bosch. Hoffer will probably finish 2nd or 3rd, with Bosch the other slot.
Manager of the year---another tough choice. Both Hagen & Carroll got more out of the team than most expected. Depending how things play out this weekend, I'd be inclined to go with Carroll, but if GAC gets swept and falls to 4th, then Haugen (assuming SJU moves up to 3rd).
Maniac ~
Excellent catch, I thought USt and GAC had identical results against BU and Augsburg. Aug and BU play each other (what a coincidence) and BU would have to sweep Augsburg for BU to finish higher and give USt the tiebreaker.
Gac and StO has been postponed until tomorrow and from what I hear tomorrow is supposed to be even wetter than today, so they could have to play Monday or even Tuesday! That would mean whoever threw in those 2 crucial games wouldn't be available to throw Friday on the opening day of the playoffs.
As for the Player, Pitcher, and Coach of the Year here's how I see it going down:
Player -
Konicek: The coaches put a good deal of emphasis on in-conference stats and Konicek has by far the best in-conf stats of the three:
BA AB H R RBI 2b 3b HR Slug% OBP% BB HBP K Sb-Att
Konicek .530 66 35 22 34 11 3 3 .924 .577 10 0 0 2-3
Schmies .492 61 30 25 20 11 1 4 .902 .579 13 1 4 3-3
Carr .404 57 23 20 25 0 1 9 .912 .500 6 5 7 0-1
Don't believe me that coaches look at in-conf stats? Consider 2004, Konicek's first year. That was the year teammate Ben Sherer won the award as a soph even though Koniceks numbers were better (.433 v .406, 74hits vs 65hits, 27xbh v 26xbh, 54rbi v 46rbi). The sophomore Sherer won because he nabbed the in-conf triple crown with .513, 8hr, 29rbi while Konicek went .430, 4hr, 24rbi.
I agree the coaches will look past Schmiesing because he is a Jr and Konicek and Carr are Seniors, but I don't think they'll give it to Carr. His best year was 2005 and he should have won it then but the coaches gave it to Brett Olsen from USt (wrongly, IMO).
Schmiesing's and Konicek's numbers overall are very similar, but Konicek kills Schmiesing in RBI (49 to 35) and has been pitched around because #4 hitter Shea Roehrkasse, while hitting .405, has 0hr and only 7doubles, and 23rbi.
The DH between StO and GAC may come in to play when Schmies and Konicek square off.
Pitcher -
I honestly think its a tough call because Mathison has been hurt and hasn't pitched in a few weeks. His overall numbers are great (1.88era, 6-0) but he only pitched 20 2/3 conf innings (compared to teammate Paul Johnson's 35). Same goes for Bosch's 20 conf innings and 1-1 record. I'd be tempted to give it to Johnson, but he didn't look too hot against USt last weekend.
If the MIAC title were on the line i'd much rather have Mathison on the mound than Bosch, however.
Manager -
Haugen. SJU was picked 7th in the preseason coaches poll and are at least going to be 4th. If GAC wins the conf I could see it going to Carroll, but thats the only way I see Carroll beating Haugen. They may just give it to the coach of the reg season champ, whoever that is, to play it safe.
I ran some QOWi numbers, and most Midwest Region teams need to do more than they think. These results should be very close, though I have four more St. Scholastica in-region games than the previous rankings had.
Though there are many criteria, on the national board many posters think 9.7 is a reasonable cutoff for at-large bids using the QOWi criterion.
Let me know if I made any errors or if another team should be considered.
Numbers through Sunday's games:
1. Oshkosh 10.32
2. St. Olaf 10.04
3. Ripon 9.7
4. St. Thomas 9.66
5. Stevens Point 9.61
6. St. Scholastica 9.33
7. St. Norbert 9.2
#1 USt vs #4 GAC
#2 StO vs #3 SJU
I'd expect Leslie or Bosch to throw for USt and GAC to counter with Hoffer. StO will probably throw Johnson and SJU could throw Wilfhart or Crees.
* Mathison hasn't pitched in over 2 weeks.
Quote from: OshDude on May 07, 2007, 08:13:04 PM
I ran some QOWi numbers, and most Midwest Region teams need to do more than they think. These results should be very close, though I have four more St. Scholastica in-region games than the previous rankings had.
Though there are many criteria, on the national board many posters think 9.7 is a reasonable cutoff for at-large bids using the QOWi criterion.
Let me know if I made any errors or if another team should be considered.
Numbers through Sunday's games:
1. Oshkosh 10.32
2. St. Olaf 10.04
3. Ripon 9.7
4. St. Thomas 9.66
5. Stevens Point 9.61
6. St. Scholastica 9.33
7. St. Norbert 9.2
I believe that 9.7 is in Pool C. Pool B -- aka St. Scholastica -- usually has a different standard.
All-conference team here....the guys i'd like to take on my team if i could
I quoted conf. stats, but I'm taking into account full-season worth when choosing these guys
8 IF, 2 C, 8 P, 6 OF
IF---
Andrew Bennett HU- Jaw-dropping power numbers for one of the better hitters in the league this year
Chris Terrazas STO- Defensive wall with legitimate run producing abilities
Josh Maus STO- Though he didn't play much, the 16 games he did start in conference offered up a league-leading .568 avg. and 20 RBIs
Mike DesLauriers GAC- Proved to be a tough out and a defensive star for Gustavus this year
Adam Wedwick MAC- Offered great power numbers in the 1-hole this year (6 HR) and good speed (4-5 SBs)
Nick Winecke SMU- Good on-base percentage and good run production on an otherwise offensively starved team
Jay Kasner SJ- One of the most feared hitters in the league; quick bat and aggressive mentality allowed him to hit .373 in conf. with 8 HRs
Pat Siering GAC- Great offensive output this year including 5 HRs and .370+ BA
C-
Matthew Pexa UST- hitting .468 on the year and heating up as of late; easily the best offensive catch in the league
Craig Henry AUG- solid freshman who contributed greatly to an Augsburg offense that was down this year
P-
Riley Bosch UST- hard-throwing pitcher with nasty deuce; again anchors one of the best staffs in the country
Todd Mathison STO- Injury limited innings, but when he was pitching, he was dominant; allowing only 3 ER in 2 years of conf. ball (WOW!)
TJ Nelson SJ- Started off the year rough but came back to a 5-0 conf. record that included 2.78 ERA and .237 Opp. BA
Lonnie Robinson UST- Flamethrower who finally hit his stride this year; should be a dominant force in the MIAC next year if he can master his offspeed
Kyle Foster HU- Finally reached his potential this year, leading the MIAC in IP and K's
Erik Olson UST- super-soph again produces another stellar year; should be one of the better pitchers in MIAC history
James Murrey MAC- hard-throwing super-fresh who anchored a weak Macalester staff; very bright future for him in this league if he can get support someway
Dan Leslie UST- accurate, hard-throwing righty who provided a spark at the end of UST's dominant rotation, a very underrated pitcher
OF-
Kirby Carr BU- 5- tool star who led the league in HR's; dominant force who should be able to excel at the next level
Tony Konicek GAC- One of the greatest hitters in MIAC history; capped off an extraordinary career with yet again another season of amazing production
Andrew Schmiesing STO- Sort of overshadowed by Carr and Konicek; he's undoubtedly one of the best pure hitters in the league; will easily be the best player in the league next year
Chris Bullis UST- unsuspecting hitter with aggressiveness and a lightning-fast bat; should be one of the best players next year
Tyler Kaus GAC- great production for GAC this year with 2 HR and 22 RBIS with a .400+ avg.
Carson Jones STO- continues his impressive freshman campaign into the playoffs with a .390+ avg. 2HRs and 16 RBIs; the best hitter in his class IMO
Maniac~
Do you want me to count Konicek as an IF or OF (since he did play all his conf games at 3b this year)? Thought I'd ask before I unleash my all conf team =)
G13-- I'd say he would have to be considered a 3B if that is where he played all season. The games I saw him in, he was solid defensively.
My jaw is still hanging slightly down from the HRs he & Carr ripped when they played at Gustavus. As you recall, it was very windy, but I'd say the wind made it harder to blast one to left.
Maybe the Twins should sign both of them and Schmiessing to fill the hole in LF? They cant do much worse than Kubel/Tyner/Rabe, and would be an improvement on Lewwwww-Im hitting 210!-Ford (and would play for far less $$)
Im assuming everyone will be at the playoffs....I plan to take in the games at Dundas, love that stadium!
Konicek's .862 is pretty indicative of how he play D at 3b... not so well. He played only 4 conf games in CF at the rest (starting with the Augs dh) at 3b. He was a good CF but probably wasn't going to play it professionally.
USt will play the Miesville Mudhens amateur team Wednesday. Apparently UW Stout did not want to play their scheduled game now that they've made the playoffs and USt could not find another college team to play.
Conf Records broken, tied, or nearly tied this year:
At Bats: 82, Mike Deslauries, GAC *new record* (old: 78, Briant Sprout, StO 2002)
Hits: 38, Tony Konicek, GAC *2nd* (record: 39, Ben Sherer, GAC, 2004)
HR: 10, Kirby Carr, BU *tied record* (multiple)
Doubles: 13, Andrew Schmiesing, StO *tied record* (multiple)
RBIs: 38, Tony Konicek, GAC *tied record* (Kyle Aug, HU 1985) -side note, this was the oldest record in the MIAC-
No pitching records were challenged.
MIAC Player of the Year: Tony Konicek, GAC
MIAC Pitcher of the Year: Lonnie Robinson, USt *did anyone see this coming?*
StO has caught some terrible breaks: their #1 and #2 pitchers are now hurt. Mathison came in for an inning of relief against SJU in the first playoff game but from what I heard he was throwing s..l..o..w and Johnson has a boot on his foot from turf toe. I bet they will still make the regional (whether through auto bid or at large) but without Mathison and Johnson their prospects for advancing further are pretty slim.
Tomorrows championship game: I give USt the edge because StO has really only 2 pitchers to use, Shrewsbury and Sopwinik. From the box score it appears Shrewsbury performed better against USt in the reg season, so I'd expect him to get the start. USt still has Chris Bullis fresh and ready to go, and if he gets in trouble I could see them coming back with Leslie or Bosch in relief.
I see that St. Olaf is playing in their 18th regional and has never made the World Series. Anyone know if that's a record?
I know it's early, but what is the outlook for the 2008 season?
What kind of pitching is returning for the schools etc? Any ideas as to the final standings.
I'll take a quick stab at preseason standings:
1) USt: Lose 2 contributors from last year's conf champ team (pitchers Bosch & Montgomery). Will be strong in all aspects, off, def, pitching, and as evidenced by last years team, just find a way to win games.
2) StO: Best chance to dethrone USt was last year but injuries to Ps Mathison and Johnson ended those hopes. Will return a solid squad but probably won't be able to rebound from the loss of the first 4 hitters in last year's lineup (Asry, Schmiessing, Terrazas, Schultheis). Do return a strong rotation of Mathison, Johnson, Sommer, Dimick, & Schrewsbury).
3) AUG: P Jason Kickhafer was a pleasant surprise, as was Fr C Craig Henry. 5th place finish last year, 2008 may mean first return to the playoffs since 2005.
4) BU: Addition by subtraction? Last year's 7th place finish was a dissapointment, even with Sr OF Kirby Carr's terrific season. Return a fair amount of talent, including Kirby's little bro.
5) GAC: Tough team to gauge because of inconsistency. Have a number of players who can on occassion be terrific (Hoffer, Kaus, Siering...) but will anyone step up to replace Tony Konicek's production and take GAC back to the playoffs?
6) SJU: Johnnies usually have a good offense but struggled last year. This year could be worse with the loss of Srs Haugen and Kasner. Do return good pitching.
7) CON: Spent last year rebuilding and lots of young pitchers got experience. Coach Burgau is counting on that to lead to more Ws this year.
8) HU: Will they have any talent besides SS Bennet and P Roiger?
9) SMU: Nothing to get excited about here in my opinion.
10 Car: Ditto.
11) Mac: I'm interested to see how So P James Murrey progresses after last years good season. Not much talent behind him.
I see USt being VERY good and winning the league easy, with StOs pitching keeping them a step ahead of everone else. Behind those two its anyones guess and I think teams 3-7 have a good deal of talent.
Quote from: Gustie13 on January 20, 2008, 07:19:42 PM
I'll take a quick stab at preseason standings:
1) USt: Lose 2 contributors from last year's conf champ team (pitchers Bosch & Montgomery). Will be strong in all aspects, off, def, pitching, and as evidenced by last years team, just find a way to win games.
2) StO: Best chance to dethrone USt was last year but injuries to Ps Mathison and Johnson ended those hopes. Will return a solid squad but probably won't be able to rebound from the loss of the first 4 hitters in last year's lineup (Asry, Schmiessing, Terrazas, Schultheis). Do return a strong rotation of Mathison, Johnson, Sommer, Dimick, & Schrewsbury).
3) AUG: P Jason Kickhafer was a pleasant surprise, as was Fr C Craig Henry. 5th place finish last year, 2008 may mean first return to the playoffs since 2005.
4) BU: Addition by subtraction? Last year's 7th place finish was a dissapointment, even with Sr OF Kirby Carr's terrific season. Return a fair amount of talent, including Kirby's little bro.
5) GAC: Tough team to gauge because of inconsistency. Have a number of players who can on occassion be terrific (Hoffer, Kaus, Siering...) but will anyone step up to replace Tony Konicek's production and take GAC back to the playoffs?
6) SJU: Johnnies usually have a good offense but struggled last year. This year could be worse with the loss of Srs Haugen and Kasner. Do return good pitching.
7) CON: Spent last year rebuilding and lots of young pitchers got experience. Coach Burgau is counting on that to lead to more Ws this year.
8) HU: Will they have any talent besides SS Bennet and P Roiger?
9) SMU: Nothing to get excited about here in my opinion.
10 Car: Ditto.
11) Mac: I'm interested to see how So P James Murrey progresses after last years good season. Not much talent behind him.
I see USt being VERY good and winning the league easy, with StOs pitching keeping them a step ahead of everone else. Behind those two its anyones guess and I think teams 3-7 have a good deal of talent.
Gustie13,
Would you consider St. Thomas the overwhelming favorite then? Obviously, Olaf has a great rotation (healthy?) but lost some pretty good hitters. In fact, look at what the conference lost overall in stars Schmiessing, Terrazas, Konicek, Carr. And St. Thomas only lost two guys that can be replaced so it might look like they will win the conference again unless STO and Aug steps it up
I would be shocked if St. Thomas is challenged in the MIAC. St. Olaf has the best chance, but I think they are bit short on bullets to keep firing at the Tommies.
IMO, StOs best chance to dethrone USt was last year but they got derailed by Mathison and Johnson's injuries at the end of the season.
USt and StO were the two best teams by far last year (with a nod to GAC, who had a lot of talent and split with both teams in the reg season, but was far too inconsistent). Given what USt lost (to graduation) compared to StO, I can't see them not winning the conf.
Watch out for Travis Adams, the southpaw form Minnetonka. He will dazzle you with his blazing heat!
"Watch out for Travis Adams, the southpaw form Minnetonka. He will dazzle you with his blazing heat!"
I'm new to D3 baseball. What is blazing heat, BethelBB? Who are the top pitchers in the conf? What is their top end mph and at what speed do they usually throw at with control?
Just wondering
Quote from: for2n8john on February 26, 2008, 09:51:58 AM
"Watch out for Travis Adams, the southpaw form Minnetonka. He will dazzle you with his blazing heat!"
I'm new to D3 baseball. What is blazing heat, BethelBB? Who are the top pitchers in the conf? What is their top end mph and at what speed do they usually throw at with control?
Just wondering
Blazin heat is prolly around 78 or so. Top pitchers are Dale Eng (Bethel), Robby Wiens (GAC), Mathison of Olaf.
Blazin heat is prolly around 78 or so. Top pitchers are Dale Eng (Bethel), Robby Wiens (GAC), Mathison of Olaf.
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I hope that blazing heat of 78 was a joke, considering some of the top pitchers in the MIAC will hit 90...im sure Leslie, Robinson from Thomas and Johnson and Mathison can probably do that. I heard Kummet from Scholastica tops 93. Im guessing Zimmerman from Point last year hit about 95
Quote from: MIAC baseball on February 26, 2008, 10:25:54 PM
Blazin heat is prolly around 78 or so. Top pitchers are Dale Eng (Bethel), Robby Wiens (GAC), Mathison of Olaf.
I hope that blazing heat of 78 was a joke, considering some of the top pitchers in the MIAC will hit 90...im sure Leslie, Robinson from Thomas and Johnson and Mathison can probably do that. I heard Kummet from Scholastica tops 93. Im guessing Zimmerman from Point last year hit about 95
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It was a joke. I hope a 15 year old A team can hit 78.
ALL,
BethelBaseball is definitely not a serious poster. Robby Weins doesn't pitch for GAC, he's an OF. Travis Adams is good; I watched him confound a very good St Louis Park town team this summer in the state tournament, but it was with an assortment of off speed pitches, not a blazin fastball.
Off the top of my head, best returning pitchers in the conf:
STO: Johnson, Mathison
UST: Leslie, Robinson (and others)
GAC: Hoffer
AUG: Kickhoffer
BU: Adams
MAC: Murrey
Lets not go throwing '90' around like its something easy to do. The only MIAC pitcher that does it is Robinson. Leslie and Mathison rely on movement (sink) and Johnson relies on an assortment of other stuff. Maybe 1 guy a year from the MIAC hits 90.
Quote from: Gustie13 on February 26, 2008, 10:44:58 PM
ALL,
BethelBaseball is definitely not a serious poster. Robby Weins doesn't pitch for GAC, he's an OF. Travis Adams is good; I watched him confound a very good St Louis Park town team this summer in the state tournament, but it was with an assortment of off speed pitches, not a blazin fastball.
Off the top of my head, best returning pitchers in the conf:
STO: Johnson, Mathison
UST: Leslie, Robinson (and others)
GAC: Hoffer
AUG: Kickhoffer
BU: Adams
MAC: Murrey
Lets not go throwing '90' around like its something easy to do. The only MIAC pitcher that does it is Robinson. Leslie and Mathison rely on movement (sink) and Johnson relies on an assortment of other stuff. Maybe 1 guy a year from the MIAC hits 90.
I agree with your analysis, one pitcher to watch is John Buteyn, he is coming off a bounce back year after a shoulder injury set him back for his sophmore year. John was a dominant pitcher his freshman year, look for him to regain some of his dominance.
PreSeason Projections (Top 4)
1. St. Olaf
2. St. Thomas
3. Augsburg
4. Bethel
What does everyone think?
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on February 26, 2008, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: MIAC baseball on February 26, 2008, 10:25:54 PM
Blazin heat is prolly around 78 or so. Top pitchers are Dale Eng (Bethel), Robby Wiens (GAC), Mathison of Olaf.
I hope that blazing heat of 78 was a joke, considering some of the top pitchers in the MIAC will hit 90...im sure Leslie, Robinson from Thomas and Johnson and Mathison can probably do that. I heard Kummet from Scholastica tops 93. Im guessing Zimmerman from Point last year hit about 95
It was a joke. I hope a 15 year old A team can hit 78.
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Maybe, but there's no way those numbers are legit. "You heard" is not exactly what I would call a reliable source.
Forgive me for being skeptical that there are half a dozen pitchers throwing in the 90s in the MIAA.
Maybe, but there's no way those numbers are legit. "You heard" is not exactly what I would call a reliable source.
Forgive me for being skeptical that there are half a dozen pitchers throwing in the 90s in the MIAA.
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Well I only mentioned 4 guys and ment they could perhaps top 90 if they gassed it up, which means once or twice in the first inning. Typically they are around 87-88. And I think my crystal ball is a reliable source
Obviously, how hard a guy throws does not make him great, but it doesnt hurt!
I agree with your analysis, one pitcher to watch is John Buteyn, he is coming off a bounce back year after a shoulder injury set him back for his sophmore year. John was a dominant pitcher his freshman year, look for him to regain some of his dominance.
PreSeason Projections (Top 4)
1. St. Olaf
2. St. Thomas
3. Augsburg
4. Bethel
What does everyone think?
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Its more like St. Thomas 1 and Olaf 2. Thomas should easily win the conference returning the majority of their team, while only losing 3 players, 1 big contributor. Olaf has a good rotation, but lost a TON of offense.
St Thomas will be tested Tomorrow when they take on Scholastica. A pretty good rivalry considering they are not in the same conference. CSS always plays Thomas tough, so these will probably be 1 or 2 run games.
MIACBaseball, like the post, I agree UST should be the heavy heavy favorite to win their 6th straight reg season title. Buteyn (BU) is a guy to keep an eye on (went 7-2 3.88era in 05 then 3-4 4.88 in 06 and 5-5 4.07 in 07). UST-CSS are always competitive games with postseason implications.
I think Robinson is the only pitcher that, when gassing, hits 90.
The Bethel Royals dominated Wartburg College of Iowa tonight winning both games. Game 1 they won 15-7 behind a great hitting. John Buteyn also earned the win allowing 4 earned runs through 4. In game two senior pitcher Isaac Hamilton got the win going 5 innings and only allowed 2 runs. Bethel won game 2, 13-2.
Thanks for getting me up to speed on who to watch for this year on the mound.
Mid to high 80's seems about right, but did see the report on Zimmerman last year. I wasn't sure if there was one or two like him every year.
Great velocity makes all your other pitches look that much nastier. But, I'm not sure many pitcher's want to throw their arms out by "gassing it up" in the 1st inning. I've only seen one kid (16 y.o.) throw 90. When he pitched, 20 scouts showed up to watch. I only believe "90+" when I see Scouts there. BTW, As soon as the coach walked out to the mound in the late innings, the scouts headed for their cars. He was drafted by the Cubs. -- "The hard is what makes it great." (Jimmy Dugan).
I see my first games of the season next week, can't wait.
So, who are the SS with great range to their Right to watch?
Anyone else find it interesting that Robinson and Leslie haven't pitched in USt's first 2 games? Matt Schuld and Erik Olson have started both DHs against CSS and UWSP. I've heard rumors that Leslie's and Bullis's arms aren't healthy... anyone know?
UWSP capitalizes on USt Sr SS Mark Boland's throwing error to score 3 unearned runs in winning game one 6-3 but Matt Schuld pitched a gem for USt in game two (7inn 4h 1er 8k), USt 4 UWSP 1.
I don't know about Leslie, but Robinson hasn't pitched because his Tommies are still taking part in the basketball playoffs.
i used to play at UST.
Lonnie hasn't pitched because he's d'n folks up in the ncaa tournament.
Leslie's arm is sore
I don't know about Bullis.
Has anyone else noticed that Andrew Bennett (HU) has been playing CF every game so far this year, instead of SS? A freshman from Farmington, Tres Humerickhouse, is playing shortstop for the Pipers.
What are everyones thoughts on that?
Anyone know anything about Humerickhouse?
Is he really good enough to beat out Bennett or is HU just that desperate for a centerfielder?
I had noticed Bennett playing CF, I wonder how he feels about Hummerickhouse's .667 field% at SS right now...
Tres Hummerickhouse plays townball for Elko, he's 24/25 years old. The Fr thing must be a misprint. He was 'supposedly' at a juco in CA. No idea if he was just blowing smoke though.
Yeah, I was wonderin' about the SS situation at the Hamline-Loras game also...seems strange to me.
After seeing the majority of the first games for the MIAC teams and reading the briefs the next day, I've come to the conclusion that after maybe the first 1-3 seedings, the next four or five spots are clear as mud. I'll make some predictions though nonetheless.
1. St Thomas- in my mind, they are a head above every one else. Faced two very tough teams in their first series and still managed to split (despite not playing their best IMO). Excited to see Robinson pitch once the Tommies get booted from the basketball playoffs.
2. St. Olaf- Pitching is going to be solid like always, though I was a little surprised to see Mathison roughed up this early. Hitting should come around in time though. Maus and Jones are high-quality MIAC hitters. Still, there is potential for a lackluster season here I think. They really need players to step into the roles vacated by their 1-4 hitters last year if they want to get to UST's level.
3. Bethel (surprise surprise)- Hitting looks very good. Dominated a very solid Wartburg team both games of the DH. Pitching looks much better than last year. Hamilton is finally coming around like I thought he could. Could give the "more-talented" MIAC teams a ton of trouble this year.
4. Gustavus- Not sure how deep the pitching will be, but the hitting is very good. Roehrkasse is hitting very well, as are several other of the big boys in the middle of their lineup. Cicalello will be indispensable this year, especially getting their bullpen through the tough games.
5. Augsburg- Just looked at the first couple DHs they play in the Metrodome...tough way to start the season to say the least. Top to bottom, should be a solid team. Their pitching has a good chance to break through this year I think. Sam Weber and Jason Kickhafer are a good 1-2. SO catcher Craig Henry is a very special player I think; I'm interested to see how he does this year.
6. Concordia- Young team last year should develop into a good team this year so long as the pitching staff materializes unlike last year. Interested to see how C Kyle Johnson progresses; I think he should be a solid power hitter. Could potentially steal a playoff spot this year if things fall in place for them.
7. Macalester- Was able to see their first game against Loras on Sunday. P James Murray looked rusty, but still dominated the Loras hitters; asides from UST's Lonnie Robinson, I would say he is the next hardest thrower in the MIAC. Hitting looked better-than-usual too. Very young pitching staff though; could perhaps contend in the MIAC next year or the year after.
8. St. John's- May be unfair putting them this low so early. However, last year I think they overachieved as a team. They lose a great bit of talent and experience with last year's graduating class. Hard to foresee their pitching having great success. TJ Nelson is a solid pitcher; but after him, there really isn't much to look at. They could be a MIAC wild card though, as St. John's has very rarely fielded a poor squad in the past.
9. St. Mary's- The last three teams I have no idea where to put; however I do think they belong somewhere down here. St. Mary's does not have the outright talent that other teams in the MIAC possess at one position or another. However, most of their games with "middle-of-the-pack" conference opponents were very competitive. I highly doubt they will field a team to compete against the St. Thomas's and St. Olaf's of the world, but I would not write them off against maybe a Bethel or an Augsburg.
10. Hamline- YIKES. Who could have foreseen this. Honestly, I expected them to be much more competitive this year. I heard rumors of transfers and a strong freshmen class, but IMO that may have been overstated. I do believe they are a solid hitting team. Roiger, Sand, Humerickhouse, and Kaczrowski should help their lineup tremendously, and Bennett is, as well all know, one of the better players in the MIAC. However, their pitching has been atrocious. Fielding has also been sketchy, at best. I don't doubt that Verdugo will right the ship sometime soon, but if it doesn't happen, Hamline will struggle this year.
11. Carleton- I don't know much about Carleton. They didn't appear to lose that much to graduation, and they seem to have a large freshmen class. Guevin is a solid pitcher, but after him, there's a void where the starting rotation would be. As for hitting, last year was nothing special, so I don't know how special it can be this year.
SUPER,
Great post, here's my response:
1)UST - The only thing standing between them and another conf title is possible injuries, they are head and shoulders ahead of the other MIAC schools this year. The splits with CSS and UWSP were OK, but I think their lack of a primetime, stud power hitter will hurt them on the regional/national stage. Also, I have already heard of arm injuries to Bullis and Leslie.
2) StO - I'm surprised Mathison continues to play INF in Game 1 of a DH then pitch in Game 2 considering his arm troubles last year. His line against Wartburg wasn't good, and he came on in relief vs Grinnel today. I would be surprised if guys like Maus and Gagnon improved on their numbers from last year. If they have injuries to their pitching staff this year like last, they could fall further down the list.
3) GAC - Ranked here by default, I don't think any other teams have shown me that they're better than a team returning a lot of players from a miac tourney team. Could have a very deep lineup, even with the loss of Tony Konicek, and the season will depend on how consistent their pitching is.
4) BU - Good sweep vs Wartburg, bad split vs Elmhurst. I would have been more impressed with the Wartburg sweep had the Warts not just used their best pitchers against StO the day before. Impressive offensive numbers nonetheless. Probably would have been my #3 had they not split with Elmhurst, who I heard was not very good. Adams, Hamilton, and Buteyn have the potential to be good.
5) AUG - I would have liked to see a split vs LaCross after a split with Edgewood. Kickhaffer and Weber are a good 1 & 2 and Henry could be very good. I'm not sold on the rest of the offense's ability to produce, guys like Anderson and Zaun. Could definitely contend for the playoffs though.
6) SJU - Usually in the hunt, but lost 3 of their 4 best hitters. I don't like their one dimensional approach at the plate (PULL), but they usually have some good pitchers that keep them in he mix.
7) CON - Last year was a disaster, hopefully all that experience the youngsters got pays off.
8) HU - Now that he's got a professional head coaching gig on the side (Evansville), how much longer will Verdugo stick around if HU starts heading south? Roiger will be good, same with Bennett, but I don't know about the rest of the bunch.
9) MAC - I like Murrey and Simkins, but this team finished last in the conf in batting avg last year... I doubt they'll get much better.
10) SMU - Don't really see a whole lot to get excited about.
11) CAR - Ditto.
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 03, 2008, 09:08:39 PM
Anyone else find it interesting that Robinson and Leslie haven't pitched in USt's first 2 games? Matt Schuld and Erik Olson have started both DHs against CSS and UWSP. I've heard rumors that Leslie's and Bullis's arms aren't healthy... anyone know?
UWSP capitalizes on USt Sr SS Mark Boland's throwing error to score 3 unearned runs in winning game one 6-3 but Matt Schuld pitched a gem for USt in game two (7inn 4h 1er 8k), USt 4 UWSP 1.
well robinson is a little busy right now, so baseball takes 2nd priority
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 27, 2008, 09:07:11 AM
Maybe, but there's no way those numbers are legit. "You heard" is not exactly what I would call a reliable source.
Forgive me for being skeptical that there are half a dozen pitchers throwing in the 90s in the MIAA.
Well I only mentioned 4 guys and ment they could perhaps top 90 if they gassed it up, which means once or twice in the first inning. Typically they are around 87-88. And I think my crystal ball is a reliable source
Obviously, how hard a guy throws does not make him great, but it doesnt hurt!
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Agree with the second part. Doubt that many guys in that conference touch 90. Doubt that many guys in any D-III conference touch 90.
I'm new to the MIAC baseball message board. Does anyone know where I could find a list of MIAC baseball alumni who are currently playing professional baseball?
Quote from: miacbaseballfan on March 07, 2008, 01:30:53 PM
I'm new to the MIAC baseball message board. Does anyone know where I could find a list of MIAC baseball alumni who are currently playing professional baseball?
Not really sure, probably just go to each teams website Im guessing they have updates on their professional players
Quote from: miacbaseballfan on March 07, 2008, 01:30:53 PM
I'm new to the MIAC baseball message board. Does anyone know where I could find a list of MIAC baseball alumni who are currently playing professional baseball?
You can start with this list but it does not include a lot of players with independent leagues.
http://www.odaconline.com/div3base/draft.htm
Did anyone happen to take in either of the Bethel/Oskosh games this morning?
I realize it was extremely early but just curious. I heard the games were pretty tight.
How did the teams look? Pitching, hitting, etc. Could Bethel be a surprise team in the MIAC this year?
I am on Bethel. It was brutal waking up this morning so early. Batting practice started at 3:45AM and the game started at 5:30. The games were close. OshKosh beat us in the first game 4-0, Travis Adams pitched a great game his only mistake was when he hung a change up and it got hit into the left field bleachers. They scored some more runs later off of John Slick who came on in relief. We couldn't get the timely hitting that we needed. In game two Isaac Hamilton started his 3 game of the year off of 3 days rest. He threw 6 innings and pitched excellent again for us. It was a back and forth game and tied coming into the bottom of the 7th, 2-2. Ethan Formo came in to close the game and a runner got on right away on a HBP. He then advanced to second on a sacrafice bunt and then to third on a ball in the dirt. He got another out, and with 1 strike on the batter a wild pitch ended the game. We lost 2-3 and were swept by OshKosh, but I am happy with how we played and battled with the #10th ranked team in the nation.
MiacBaseballFan,
I don't have a comprehensive list like Jim's link, but here are the MIAC players I can think of that are still active in Pro ball:
Andrew Schmiessing, OF, StO, MN Twins
Chris Coste, C, Con, Phillies
Brian Whinnery, LHP, UST, StP Saints
your old teammate Foster
Charlie Ruud, RHP, StO, StP Saints
Brian Sprout, INF, StO, StP Saints
Tony Konicek, OF, GAC, Evansville
Casey Haugen, C, SJU, Winnipeg *just my 2 cents, but if this guys dad wasn't SJU's coach, would he be playing professional baseball???*
Zach Goldberg, C, UST, *not sure about this one. As far as I can tell Goldberg played for and was released from a number of Frontier League and American Assocation teams last year, don't know if he'll be playing again*
Good luck tonight vs Edgewood.
Gustie13,
Thanks, great list; there were definitely a few guys on there I hadn't thought of. The reason I asked was a friend and I were having a conversation about how the number of MIAC baseball alumni currently in pro ball compares to the number of Univ. of Minnesota baseball alumni currently in pro ball.
Has anyone seen the 2008 MIAC preseason coaches poll that came out today? Here it is:
1. St. Thomas (7)
2. St. Olaf (4)
3. Saint John's
4. Gustavus
5. Hamline
6. Augsburg
7. Concordia
8. Bethel
9. Macalester
10. Saint Mary's
11. Carleton
The top two seem to be pretty much set in stone. Once again Bethel gets absolutely no respect. I would have had them top 5 for sure. Saint Johns probably gets a little too much respect considering I would say they overachieved a little last year. Gustavus just always hangs around those 3-5 spots in seems like.
What are everyones thoughts on the rankings?
Quote from: d3ballguy on March 17, 2008, 09:13:01 PM
Has anyone seen the 2008 MIAC preseason coaches poll that came out today? Here it is:
1. St. Thomas (7)
2. St. Olaf (4)
3. Saint John's
4. Gustavus
5. Hamline
6. Augsburg
7. Concordia
8. Bethel
9. Macalester
10. Saint Mary's
11. Carleton
The top two seem to be pretty much set in stone. Once again Bethel gets absolutely no respect. I would have had them top 5 for sure. Saint Johns probably gets a little too much respect considering I would say they overachieved a little last year. Gustavus just always hangs around those 3-5 spots in seems like.
What are everyones thoughts on the rankings?
Well Here are my thoughts. This are the results from last year. Very similar to the poll if you ask me. In fact the top 6 are exactly the same and the bottom 5 are only off my one stop from last year.
2007 MIAC Overall
St. Thomas 16-4 34-12
St. Olaf 16-4 32-10
Saint John's 15-5 23-16
Gustavus 14-6 21-15
Hamline 10-10 22-18
Augsburg 10-10 18-19
Bethel 8-12 18-22
Concordia 7-13 11-23
Saint Mary's 6-14 10-21
Macalester 5-15 14-23
Carleton 3-17 11-22
So it seems like they based it on last years results, as well they should. Bethel probably doesnt get any "respect" because they have not deserved it since they havent been above 500 in the last 3 years. Maybe this year will be different, already 3-3 but still have to go through the MIAC schedule. My last poll, who cares its a preseason coaches poll
I saw Gustuvas, Macalster, Augsburg, St. John, Hamline and Concordia play so far this year.
They were all good teams, but no one stood out. I'd rank Augs and Ham slightly ahead of the others, but as the actual scores have indicated so far, they will all split with each other.
Augsburg, Hamline
Gustuvas
Concordia
St. John
Macalster
Pete Rozelle is happy someplace because they will all end up around .500
The MIAC coaches rarely give much thought to the preseason polls, each one is usually a mirror image of the previous season's standings.
If I'm Coach Carroll I'm pretty dissapointed in GAC's spring trip. Swept by Keene St and So Maine (which are certainly good teams but GAC usually gets some quality wins against nonconf opp like UWW (2) in '07, UWW, NC Wes, Wart (2) in '06), then splits with average teams like MIT and Williams, and a sweep of Middlebury. This doesn't bode well heading in to conf play, although I did hear the flu hit the team hard right before the trip.
Their DH against Con scheduled for Saturday is up in the air right now, and I hear its very unlikely they'll play CSS on Sunday.
Side note, who the HECK is D'Youville??? They played three MIAC teams in AZ and lost by a combined 80-2. Their roster has 12 players listed.
Heading into the MIAC conference season, it's still really foggy as to who will be joining USt in the top 4...but I may have been a little off in my previous forecast. This is how I would have it with a couple capsules.
1. USt- cream of the crop...got a couple tough in-region splits already...would have been nice to win em all, but showed they can compete with the WIAC's best and everyone else for that matter.
2. StO - I put them here by default. Their pitching will live up to its hype, but their hitting has been average for most of the year. They could potentially fall out if hitting doesn't pick up or injuries act up in their pitching staff like it did last year.
3. Hamline - Hmm...earlier I picked them last after seeing their first couple games. Now, after seeing several of their games, I'm pretty impressed with their hitting. Kaczrowski and Bennett are top-notch MIAC hitters, and the rest of their lineup gets the job done. Pitching will be their wildcard. Roiger has been very solid, and their other starters have kept them in games. I like their sweeps of Stout and LaCrosse too, very impressive.
4. Gustavus- less than stellar spring trip. Hitting fell flat pretty fast and their starting pitching wasn't as competitive as I expected. However, I still think they are the best of "the rest." That being said, there will be a ton of competition for the last two spots in the playoffs.
5. Bethel- for the most part, the pitching has been pretty good. The hitting has been above-average. I expected more out of Carr to start the season off, but slow starts happen. They are definitely in reach of the top 4 from what I have seen from them and other teams.
6. Concordia- Had a pretty good spring trip in terms of record (though several wins came off weaker teams). Schumacher has had a great start to the year both hitting and pitching. I still don't think their pitching will be that good; though their hitting is certainly better than it was last year.
7-8. ehhh...Augsburg or Macalester- The Auggies have been hitting poorly to say the least. I don't expect it to be this bad once conference starts going. Their pitching has definitely made up for their lack of hitting. Weber and Glasenapp have started off strongly, and Kickhafer has been underachieving as of now.
For Macalester, their pitching has been abysmal. Granted, several of their starters are freshmen, but I don't expect their team 6.88 era to drop in-conf. Murrey's the only one bailing their staff out, having four of their seven wins with a save apparently. The hitting for Mac will be average/above-average. They've started off well, but that doesn't mean much for the whole year.
9. St. John's- Very poor start. Their six wins have come against Marian(Wis.), Knox, Lawrence, and D'Youville(?)...all poor-quality teams. They lost two to Superior the other day, who is not a solid team. Their hitting stats look good, but to be fair, they scored 47 of their runs in two games against Lawrence and D'Youville. As for pitching, Aebly has been a nice surprise for them and Nelson should come into form. Besides them, nothing much after that. I could be wrong, but I think this will be a down year for them.
10. St. Mary's- Blah. Nothing really special here; I don't really see anything special developing either. They could surprise some middling teams, but probably not.
11. Carleton- I hate to be critical, but I don't see much that I like about this team. Guevin IS a good pitcher, but their lack of offense is a problem. I saw them play last night against Luther and they won (were winning 6-2 when the game was called...) a game against a solid team. However, the win was not pretty and Luther did not pitch anyone special. Fujisawa looks like he could be good, but I couldn't get past the fact that he was throwing his helmet everywhere and shaking his head at everything. Their 4-hitter (Melson) looked like he had quite a bit of pop in his bat though, which was good to see for them.
Quote from: supermiac on March 27, 2008, 08:59:56 PM
9. St. John's- Very poor start. Their six wins have come against Marian(Wis.), Knox, Lawrence, and D'Youville(?)...all poor-quality teams. They lost two to Superior the other day, who is not a solid team. Their hitting stats look good, but to be fair, they scored 47 of their runs in two games against Lawrence and D'Youville. As for pitching, Aebly has been a nice surprise for them and Nelson should come into form. Besides them, nothing much after that. I could be wrong, but I think this will be a down year for them.
Superior is not bad this year already 9-3. They will not finish last in the WIAC, heck no one seems to want that #4 spot in the WIAC so maybe they will slip in there wouldnt that be something.
Overall, nice summary!
Quote from: supermiac on March 27, 2008, 08:59:56 PM
9. St. John's- Very poor start. Their six wins have come against Marian(Wis.), Knox, Lawrence, and D'Youville(?)...all poor-quality teams.
There's no shame in losing to Marian. Very solid club, just not the best depth. Marian's best against your team's best – pick any Midwest team – and your team has its hands full.
I like Marian to be 1st or 2nd (with Concordia-Chicago) in the NATHcon this year.
I'll retract saying Marian was a poor-quality team. However, that is definitely a team that you need to atleast split with if you are St. John's. I know it is the beginning of the season; but if you are St. John's you can't be happy with getting swept by a team like Marian...especially losing one game 13-1.
I'm not convinced that Superior is a good team though. They were 1-23 last year in the WIAC and 9-30 overall. Their wins this year were not against particularly strong competition either; so saying that St. John's lost to a legitimate 9-3 team is a bit skewed. I would say that the Bethels, Augsburgs, and Concordias of the world are better than them; which isn't good news for St. John's.
Quote from: supermiac on March 28, 2008, 02:45:27 AM
I'll retract saying Marian was a poor-quality team. However, that is definitely a team that you need to atleast split with if you are St. John's. I know it is the beginning of the season; but if you are St. John's you can't be happy with getting swept by a team like Marian...especially losing one game 13-1.
I'm not convinced that Superior is a good team though. They were 1-23 last year in the WIAC and 9-30 overall. Their wins this year were not against particularly strong competition either; so saying that St. John's lost to a legitimate 9-3 team is a bit skewed. I would say that the Bethels, Augsburgs, and Concordias of the world are better than them; which isn't good news for St. John's.
Those Marian guys can rake. Smart and scrappy bunch, too.
I'm a bit skeptical of Superior as well. But if the transfer pitchers are as good as people have been posting on the WIAC board (although it must be stated that one of those posters admitted to
being one of said transfers), there is some truth to the good start. Posters have said the new guys throw serious gas, like high 80s and touching 90 late in games.
It's just been sooooo long since Superior was worth WIAC teams' time and effort to even show up at the field. Hard for me to wrap my head around Sup being even competitive in the WIAC, let alone a contender. But that's my own bias that I'll have to get over.
If the weather agrees, Sup plays at Oshkosh on Saturday. Hope to get a chance to see the improved pitching in person this weekend.
Don't overlook the UWS team. They aren't going to be in the top three in the league but I can see them winning a lot like St. Johns last year, having a couple good arms to pull one or two games a weekend out of a series. They are trying to build something right now and with the amount of JUCO kids they have brought in from some decent schools I can see them moving up. They have a young coach that used to be at CSS, so you can imagine that he doesn't enjoy losing that often.
UWS is not going to go 30-10 and win the WIAC by all means just saying they are much improved and I think they might be .500 this year overall. They will probably get 6 wins against Northland, finlandia, north central. SO would just have to get 5-6 wins in the conference which I think is duable to at least get one win a weekend.
Here is another question I noticed they have 42 games schedule and some other teams have over 40. I thought 40 was the limit for games? Oshdude do you know about that?
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 28, 2008, 12:27:39 PM
Here is another question I noticed they have 42 games schedule and some other teams have over 40. I thought 40 was the limit for games? Oshdude do you know about that?
I claim ignorance on this one. I had to look it up, and I didn't find anything definitive.
For anyone interested in why some Metrodome games did not count, while rooting around I did find under the doubleheader rule A.R. 6 (on Page 56 of the '07 Rule Book): "... A time limit at the facility is not an accepted reason to end a contest." "End" meaning there's a regulation game with a winner and loser after reaching the time limit. It's as if the game never happened.
I offer two things in response to your question:
1. Morningside might not count against the 40-game limit. Don't know if it's an overall set limit or a limit of games against D3 teams. But I'm about 90 percent sure Morningside
does count toward the 40-game limit.
2. I don't think it's against the rules to
schedule games over the limit, just to
play more than the limit. I didn't see any rules prohibiting teams from scheduling more than 40 games.
If I'm in Superior, I might schedule a few games over the limit against teams like Northland and Finlandia, too. There could be an agreement with Northland and more probably Finlandia – if Morningside counts toward Sup's 40 games – to cancel those games at Sup's discretion.
I'm fairly certain the latter scenario is correct, although feel free to correct me. Anyone from Superior know for sure? It's a good question.
Well I have been noticing a lot of schools (Stevens Point, CSS for ex) have like 41 games scheduled so I was not sure what the situation was. Maybe the schedule is wrong or something (i.e. i cant count) or like you said they schedule extra games just in case.
The reason some schools will over schedule is due to weather. That is why most northern schools will add a couple games extra to the schedule. The assumption is that the first couple of series of the year in Minnesota and Wisconsin are a question mark. And when making these up for conference rules sometimes means you only have to make up 2 or 3 depending on the conference unless it directly affects seedings for conference tournaments. In the big picture some teams would be in trouble if everything got played and nothing was rained or snowed out.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 28, 2008, 06:38:07 PM
The reason some schools will over schedule is due to weather. That is why most northern schools will add a couple games extra to the schedule. The assumption is that the first couple of series of the year in Minnesota and Wisconsin are a question mark. And when making these up for conference rules sometimes means you only have to make up 2 or 3 depending on the conference unless it directly affects seedings for conference tournaments. In the big picture some teams would be in trouble if everything got played and nothing was rained or snowed out.
It makes sense to overbook your schedule, just was not sure if that was the situation. Now that I think of it some teams did that last year and did not make up one of their conference games
Quote from: supermiac on March 28, 2008, 02:45:27 AM
I'll retract saying Marian was a poor-quality team. However, that is definitely a team that you need to atleast split with if you are St. John's. I know it is the beginning of the season; but if you are St. John's you can't be happy with getting swept by a team like Marian...especially losing one game 13-1.
I'm not convinced that Superior is a good team though. They were 1-23 last year in the WIAC and 9-30 overall. Their wins this year were not against particularly strong competition either; so saying that St. John's lost to a legitimate 9-3 team is a bit skewed. I would say that the Bethels, Augsburgs, and Concordias of the world are better than them; which isn't good news for St. John's.
If you look at the results better you will see that St. John's BEAT Marion, they did not get swept
Can anyone up in MN tell me when the teams will be able to start getting games in again?? I'm tired of checking MIAC Online and seeing an entire screen of PPD.
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 03, 2008, 01:04:25 PM
Can anyone up in MN tell me when the teams will be able to start getting games in again?? I'm tired of checking MIAC Online and seeing an entire screen of PPD.
Hopefully soon!
The Tommies play Macalester tomorrow at 2:30 according to their website. I wouldn't doubt that their games get played, considering what type of field they have. I'm not sure about everyone else's plans tomorrow though.
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 03, 2008, 01:04:25 PM
Can anyone up in MN tell me when the teams will be able to start getting games in again?? I'm tired of checking MIAC Online and seeing an entire screen of PPD.
I am on Bethel's team and our field is finally starting to look decent, I just got back from shoveling off snow and breaking up ice out on our warning track, but that is really the only part of the field that doesn't look good right now. The sun and higher temps here are helping to dry out the field pretty quickly. Their is a very high probability that we will get games in tomorrow against St. Johns. Not sure about other fields in the MIAC, but I would assume that they should be ready by next week for sure. St. Thomas and Macalaster were scheduled to play today and they both have turf infields so I would assume that they played today, but am not positive.
Bethel and St. Olaf went 13 innings in game 1 today, with St. Olaf pulling out the win 4-3. Tyler Kramer tied the game at 3 with a homerun in the 6th. Travis Adams started on the mound for Bethel and gave up 3 runs over 6 innings, Kyle McCracken came on in relief and pitched the final 7 innings giving up just the one run in the top of the 13th. Game 2 has been postponed to tomorrow due to lack of daylight hours.
FYI...Macalester no longer plays on turf. The field is being remodeled. All Macalester home games will be played at Midway Stadium this year.
Quote from: Dojo on April 10, 2008, 10:07:00 AM
FYI...Macalester no longer plays on turf. The field is being remodeled. All Macalester home games will be played at Midway Stadium this year.
Dojo, thanks for clearing that up, I had forgotten that they were doing that this year.
Nice sweep for the Gusties today over CON, looks like they were the only teams to get their games in. GAC used their #3/#4 starters and beat CON's #1 and #2. Looks like the first game was a little sloppy (Gac 9 Con 8, 10 combined errors) while game 2 was cleaner (Gac 3 Con 1, 1 error).
Gustie13, any idea what Gustavus' field looks like?? We're supposed to play there tomorrow.
*Yawn*
anyone left here?
Even with the gusty conditions in Northfield yesterday, I doubt ANYONE suspected a Robinson-Mathison matchup would end in a 12-9 score.
Anyone know when the GAC-StO dh has been rescheduled for? Both websites just say PPD but don't give a date. That might be the battle for 2nd place behind USt.
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 17, 2008, 09:58:45 AM
Anyone know when the GAC-StO dh has been rescheduled for? Both websites just say PPD but don't give a date. That might be the battle for 2nd place behind USt.
Besides that one, I also want to know the dates of these games (or if they're cancelled):
Augsburg/Luther
Augsburg/Hamline (4/23)
Bethel/St. Thomas (4/21)
Bethel/Hamline (4/28)
Bethel/St. Olaf
Concordia/St. Thomas (4/27)
Gustavus/St. Mary's
Gustavus/St. Olaf
Macalester/Bethany Lutheran
St. Olaf/St. Scholastica
St. Thomas/St. Scholastica
Quote from: OshDude on April 17, 2008, 05:26:00 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 17, 2008, 09:58:45 AM
Anyone know when the GAC-StO dh has been rescheduled for? Both websites just say PPD but don't give a date. That might be the battle for 2nd place behind USt.
Besides that one, I also want to know the dates of these games (or if they're cancelled):
Augsburg/Luther
Augsburg/Hamline
Bethel/St. Thomas
Bethel/Hamline
Bethel/St. Olaf
Concordia/St. Thomas
Gustavus/St. Mary's
Macalester/Bethany Lutheran
St. Olaf/St. Scholastica
I'm on Bethel's team. We are scheduled to play the Tommies on Monday(4/21), Hamline next Monday (4/28), and not sure about Olaf yet, I would guess possibly the next Monday (5/5), but we might get it in before that since it is just a single game. I don't know about other conferences around, but the MIAC has a rule that you can only play 2 weekday doubleheaders per week, and we(Bethel) don't play on Sundays so we end up playing our makeups on Mondays most of the time.
CSS vs St Thomas is 4/27. Dont know if CSS is making up that one against Olaf doesnt look like it as of now
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 18, 2008, 12:18:16 AM
CSS vs St Thomas is 4/27. Dont know if CSS is making up that one against Olaf doesnt look like it as of now
St. Thomas plays Concordia in a rescheduled DH on 4/27. The single game against CSS is PPD for now.
Quote from: OshDude on April 18, 2008, 12:45:29 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 18, 2008, 12:18:16 AM
CSS vs St Thomas is 4/27. Dont know if CSS is making up that one against Olaf doesnt look like it as of now
St. Thomas plays Concordia in a rescheduled DH on 4/27. The single game against CSS is PPD for now.
Oh ok just figured since it was still on both teams websites--SIDs need to be on this stuff for us
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 18, 2008, 12:02:08 PM
Quote from: OshDude on April 18, 2008, 12:45:29 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 18, 2008, 12:18:16 AM
CSS vs St Thomas is 4/27. Dont know if CSS is making up that one against Olaf doesnt look like it as of now
St. Thomas plays Concordia in a rescheduled DH on 4/27. The single game against CSS is PPD for now.
With the weather being what it is, the non-conference games are going to be tough to work in. I believe that the USt/CSS game will happen, when who knows. Word from Ole land is that the Olaf/CSS games won't happen.
No big weekend series that I can see on the schedule. Looking and the MIAC & WIAC schedules, the top teams should be pretty safe. Does anyone know if the UWW/UWS series is going to happen? Anybody that has been to Duluth this time of year knows that the fields are usually not in the greatest of shape until the end of April.
CSS @ GAC has been cancelled.
I'll take a stab at handicapping the MIAC playoff race. Here are current standings and Opp Win % for remaining conf games (conf records only):
UST 11 2 0.473
GAC 10 3 0.667
STO 9 4 0.357
HAM 7 5 0.537
AUG 8 6 0.675
SJU 7 7 0.462
BU 6 7 0.375
CON 6 8 0.524
MAC 6 8 0.579
SMU 3 12 0.444
CAR 2 12 0.675
UST and STO clearly appear safe, while GAC and AUG have 2 tough schedules ahead of them. What could really hurt GAC is the makeup game against SMU, which was ppd from the DH earlier this week and will be restarted with SMU leading 7-1 in the 4th.
I'll go ahead and predict a 3 way tie at 12-8 between HAM, AUG, and GAC for the final spot with HAM missing out.
Player and Pitcher of the Year:
Player- My 5 finalists would be Dan Kazcrowski (ss Ham), Andrew Bennet (cf Ham), Chris Bullis (rf UST), Matt Pexa (c UST) and Kyle Johnson (c Con). If I had to pick someone now I'd go with Kazcrowski but the coaches might go with Pexa.
Pitcher- Josh Roiger (Ham). He leads the league in most categories (era, inn, K, k/bb, cg).
If those three teams end up in a tie, who holds the tie breakers?
Chris Bullis -- POY no doubt (the kid is ridiculous)
It will be interesting to see if St. Thomas runs Dan Leslie out on the mound come playoff time, see he's only thrown 3 innings this year so far.
Leslie and Bullis have arm problems, otherwise they'd be pitching more. No idea on if Leslie will make a return (and he's the more important of the two) but from what I've heard there's no way Bullis will see a mound again this year.
I haven't seen Bullis play this year, but I know he's a great player. The thing I docked him for was the lack of power and rbis compared to the other guys on my list.
Player Xbh RBI Runs
Bullis 13 19 30
Pexa 20 30 31
Kaz 20 32 42
Bennett 20 36 33
Johnson 16 31 27
My HAM-AUG-GAC 12-8 tie would come down to head to head between all 3. Aug swept Ham but GAC has not played either yet.
My question I guess is have they rested Leslie to have a chance on him in the plaoffs, I heard he had tendonitis in the shoulder.
He's being playing INF as opposed to DHing, so I dunno if its resting him.
Big DH today for GAC and HU. If either team swept the other they'd be putting themselves in a pretty good position to make the playoffs. Both teams just threw their top starters yesterday so HU will most likely throw Beltowsky and Martin and GAC will have Sukalski and ??. I think GAC is in the better position because they likely won't face HU or AUG best pitchers.
If BU and SJU still have postseason hopes they need to sweep SMU and CAR today...
Bethel did sweep SMU today, and Saint Johns swept Carleton as well. Somewhat surprisingly, Gustavus was swept by Hamline. The battle for those third and fourth playoff spots is shaping up to be a pretty good one! Hamline is now 10-6, while Bethel and Gustavus are tied at 10-7, SJU sits at 10-8. Should be a fun ride, with Hamline still having doubleheaders with both Saint Johns and Bethel. Things are going to get exciting over the weekend and into the beginning of next week!
**Correction** Hamline still has doubleheaders with MAC and Bethel, not Saint Johns.
GAC did a great choke act yesterday, I don't want to talk about it. >:(
I think its great that 8 teams still have playoff chances with only 1 or 2 DHs left. StO and USt are guaranteed spots, so that leaves 6 teams fighitng for 2 spots! There is the possibility for a number of teams to finish 12-8, which would cause a trainwreck of tie-breakers scenarios. Here are the Tiebreaker rules:
Tournament Seeding Tie Breakers
1. Head to head results
2. Results against other teams in playoffs
3. Results against teams not in playoffs from highest finish to lowest finish
4. Coin toss
Teams fighting for the last 2 playoff spots-
3: HU 10-6 - Mac and BU remaining
4: BU 10-7 - HU and StO (1) remaining
5: AUG 8-6 - USt, GAC, Con remaining
6: GAC 10-8 - AUG (i'm counting their SMU game as a loss since they are restarting it in the 4th inn down 7-1)
7: SJU 10-8 - StO remaining
8: Con 6-8 - SMU, USt, AUG remaining
Historically 12-8 has been the cutoff for making the MIAC playoffs. Since the playoffs began in 2000 only 1 team that finished with a record better than 12-8 HAS NOT made the playoff, and no team that has had a record worse than 12-8 HAS made the playoffs. Finishing 12-8 gives you about a 60/40 chance of making the playoffs (8 teams have finished with that record, 5 have made the playoffs).
I'm not giving SJU or Con much of a chance, both would need to sweep their remaining games against top competition to finish 12-8. That would leave HU, BU, AUG and GAC fighting for the 2 spots.
If I had to make a prediction i'd say HU and GAC get in. These 2 teams have the best records against possible tiebreaker teams (HU, GAC, BU, AUG, SJU, & CON), which gives them an edge assuming it comes down to the first tiebreaker (although GAC better hope it doesn't get to Tiebreaker #2!!)
GAC 8-2, HU 5-3, BU 4-4, AUG 3-3, SJU 4-6, Con 2-6.
Somewhat off topic, but here is how I would rank the MIAC programs. I chose to start with 2000 since that is when the playoffs started and it provides any even number of years so I can gauge Improvements.
I took a look at a few things - Avg Reg season finish (1=first, 11=last), Playoff Appearances, and Individual Award Winners (I used any improvements from '00-'03 avgs to '04-'07 avgs to make adjustments as I saw fit). Here is what i came up with:
Team, Avg Finish, Playoff Appearances, and Individual Award Winners
1) USt (1.5, 8, 7) - Reg Season champ last 5 years. 2000 nat'l champs. Last year solidified for me that they are a level above StO now, StO was loaded with talent but USt still won the MIAC playoffs (granted, StOs two best pitchers were hurt, but the offense didn't step up either, averaging only 3.5runs/game in 4 games).
2) StO (1.9, 8, 7) - Clear cut #2 program to me. Won 3 straight reg season titles from '00-'02. Have taken a step back since then, imo.
3) GAC (4.5, 4, 5) - I'm obviously biased, but I think GAC is above the rest of the MIAC at #3. They've got more Playoff Appearances and Individual Award winners than anyone below them (including 4 of the past 6 Player of the Years), and have finished no worse than 5th since 2001.
4) Con (4.8, 2, 3) - I think this rank will surprise some people, I know I was surprised when I saw Con's Avg Finish. That just shows how out of character last year's 8th place finish really was. Heck, they're the only team with someone in the Majors!
5) BU (6.8, 1, 0) - I bumped them ahead of SJU (despite a worse Avg Finish) because they've improved their finishes considerably over the past 4 years (00-03 Avg Record: 7-13, 04-07 Avg Record: 11-9). It'll be interesting to see how the programs does next year without a Carr on the team =)
6) HU (7.4, 1, 0) - Also bumped ahead of SJU because of recent improvements to the program, although if/when Verdugo bolts it could set HU back.
7) SJU (6.1, 1, 0) - I dropped SJU behind HU and BU because there hasn't been much improvement over the years, and in fact they were getting worse and worse until last years 3rd place finish. I also think Coach Haugen's teams are usually one-dimensional offensively (PULL PULL PULL).
8) AUG (8.0, 1, 0) - Have made the most improvement (00-03 Avg Record: 4-16, 04-07 Avg Record: 9-11) but can't seem to put it all together.
9) SMU (7.1, 2, 2) - Have fallen the furthest, which is too bad since this used to be a great program (3rd most Conf Titles). Have not finished better than 8th the past 4 years and don't appear to be changing any that any time soon.
10) MAC (8.0, 1, 0) - Not much of a playoff threat anymore, although they were pretty good from 99-02.
11) CAR (10.0, 0, 1) - Have not finished better than 8th in 12 years. Nuff said.
I think the divisions between teams 1 through 4 are pretty distinct, meaning, I think USt is the clear #1, StO the clear #2, etc. UST and STO are automatic playoff teams, GAC and CON are consistently there (only the 2000 playoffs didn't feature one or the other). Once you get to BU at #5 I think it gets blurry between 5-8 (BU, HU, SJU, AUG). These are the teams that every couple of years may have a team good enough to make the playoffs. SMU has fallen back enough that I consider them on the same (lower) level as MAC and CAR.
Thoughts?
That is some good work, I agree completely with those assessments. You can count on the Oles & Tommies year after year, it is almost more exciting to see who wants to take those 3 and 4 spots. This year is a great example, there is a week left and who knows how it will end up.
Great rankings...I would have to agree with them all.
Teams like Olaf and Thomas year after year are going to contend because of the winning traditions they have brought to the schools. They have great coaching and nice facilities to draw in recruits that apparently the Gophs cant get( cheap shot)
Another characteristic you notice about elite teams in MN/WI is the number of players they have on their rosters. The games I have seen this year you notice 30 or more guys dressing and even more playing j/v. Its a huge advantage to have that many talented guys to pick and choose from to fill holes on your roster.
HU dropped the ball today against MAC. They lost game 1 which meant they had to start Roiger in game 2, and still almost lost a 6 run lead in the 7th. That means they go in to their DH with Roiger on short rest (I doubt Coach Verdugo has an reservations about pitching him on short rest with their season on the line).
StO swept SJU, eliminating the Johnnies from playoff contention.
I'm going to take a stab at the playoff scenarios as it stands right now:
HU- 11-7 BU dh remaining
BU- 11-7 HU dh remaining
GAC- 10-8 AUG dh remaining
AUG- 8-8 GAC, CON dh remaining
Con is not mathematically eliminated, but for this exercise I won't include them.
If GAC sweeps AUG:
Aug eliminated
GAC in playoffs regardless of HU-BU
HU in playoffs with sweep or split
BU in playoffs with sweep
Here's why- if HU or BU sweeps then one team ends up 13-7 while the other ends up 11-9. If gac sweeps then they finish 12-8. If HU/BU split then all 3 teams end up 12-8 and by virtue of the 2nd tiebreaker HU (3-1 record vs BU/GAC) and GAC (2-2 record vs HU/BU) finish ahead of BU (1-3 record vs HU/GAC).
If GAC/AUG split AND AUG sweeps CON:
GAC & AUG eliminated if HU/BU split (HU/BU both make playoffs in that case)
BU & AUG in playoffs if BU sweeps HU (HU,AUG,GAC would all be tied at 11-9, AUG is 3-1 vs GAC/HU, HU is 2-2 vs AUG/GAC, GAC is 1-3 vs HU/AUG)
HU & GAC in playoffs if HU sweeps BU (BU,AUG,GAC would all be tied at 11-9, GAC is 3-1 vs AUG/BU, AUG is 2-2 vs GAC/BU, BU is 1-3 vs GAC/AUG)
If GAC/AUG split AND AUG splits or is swept by CON:
AUG eliminated
GAC eliminated if HU/BU split or if BU sweeps (HU/BU both make playoffs in that case)
HU & GAC in playoffs if HU sweeps BU (GAC-BU tied at 11-9, GAC in because it swept BU)
If AUG sweeps GAC AND is swept by CON:
GAC & AUG eliminated
If AUG sweeps GAC AND splits with CON:
GAC eliminated
AUG eliminated if HU/BU split
BU & AUG in playoffs if BU sweeps HU (by virtue of 2nd tiebreaker)
HU & AUG in playoffs if HU sweeps BU (by virtue of 3rd tiebreaker)
If AUG sweeps GAC AND sweeps CON:
GAC eliminated
BU & AUG in playoffs if HU/BU split
HU & AUG in playoffs if HU sweeps BU
BU & AUG in playoffs if BU sweeps HU
GAC-AUG is 5/4, BU-HU is 5/5, and AUG/CON is 5-6
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 04, 2008, 03:17:41 AM
HU dropped the ball today against MAC. They lost game 1 which meant they had to start Roiger in game 2, and still almost lost a 6 run lead in the 7th. That means they go in to their DH with Roiger on short rest (I doubt Coach Verdugo has an reservations about pitching him on short rest with their season on the line).
StO swept SJU, eliminating the Johnnies from playoff contention.
I'm going to take a stab at the playoff scenarios as it stands right now:
HU- 11-7 BU dh remaining
BU- 11-7 HU dh remaining
GAC- 10-8 AUG dh remaining
AUG- 8-8 GAC, CON dh remaining
Con is not mathematically eliminated, but for this exercise I won't include them.
If GAC sweeps AUG:
Aug eliminated
GAC in playoffs regardless of HU-BU
HU in playoffs with sweep or split
BU in playoffs with sweep
Here's why- if HU or BU sweeps then one team ends up 13-7 while the other ends up 11-9. If gac sweeps then they finish 12-8. If HU/BU split then all 3 teams end up 12-8 and by virtue of the 2nd tiebreaker HU (3-1 record vs BU/GAC) and GAC (2-2 record vs HU/BU) finish ahead of BU (1-3 record vs HU/GAC).
If GAC/AUG split AND AUG sweeps CON:
GAC & AUG eliminated if HU/BU split (HU/BU both make playoffs in that case)
BU & AUG in playoffs if BU sweeps HU (HU,AUG,GAC would all be tied at 11-9, AUG is 3-1 vs GAC/HU, HU is 2-2 vs AUG/GAC, GAC is 1-3 vs HU/AUG)
HU & GAC in playoffs if HU sweeps BU (BU,AUG,GAC would all be tied at 11-9, GAC is 3-1 vs AUG/BU, AUG is 2-2 vs GAC/BU, BU is 1-3 vs GAC/AUG)
If GAC/AUG split AND AUG splits or is swept by CON:
AUG eliminated
GAC eliminated if HU/BU split or if BU sweeps (HU/BU both make playoffs in that case)
HU & GAC in playoffs if HU sweeps BU (GAC-BU tied at 11-9, GAC in because it swept BU)
If AUG sweeps GAC AND is swept by CON:
GAC & AUG eliminated
If AUG sweeps GAC AND splits with CON:
GAC eliminated
AUG eliminated if HU/BU split
BU & AUG in playoffs if BU sweeps HU (by virtue of 2nd tiebreaker)
HU & AUG in playoffs if HU sweeps BU (by virtue of 3rd tiebreaker)
If AUG sweeps GAC AND sweeps CON:
GAC eliminated
BU & AUG in playoffs if HU/BU split
HU & AUG in playoffs if HU sweeps BU
BU & AUG in playoffs if BU sweeps HU
GAC-AUG is 5/4, BU-HU is 5/5, and AUG/CON is 5-6
Hamline had a good shot to essentially clinch a spot today. They got overpowered by a good pitcher in game one; however I still think they are the far and away favorite for the 3rd spot in the playoffs. I like their chances against Bethel (who I think have overperformed this year). I'm not sure about the last spot though. I think Gustavus has the edge here; since Bethel still has to play a single game against Olaf and a DH against Hamline.
I think BU will take at least one game against HU, they have all their top pitchers rested while HU will most likely use Roiger on 2 days rest and then their #3.
I have BU listed at 11-7, I was assuming they beat Olaf (because BU will have something to play for while StO doesn't. The game is so close to playoffs I don't know if StO throws anyone good in that single game)
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 04, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
I think BU will take at least one game against HU, they have all their top pitchers rested while HU will most likely use Roiger on 2 days rest and then their #3.
I have BU listed at 11-7, I was assuming they beat Olaf (because BU will have something to play for while StO doesn't. The game is so close to playoffs I don't know if StO throws anyone good in that single game)
I'm not sure about the HU-BU series. I think Hamline's hitting is a head above Bethel's; so I'm not sure if BU pitching their #1 or #2 guarantees anything for them. I would also say that StO will probably take the game from BU. Bethel has to pitch their #3 or #4, and it's not like StO is going to lay down and die for any team, regardless of place in the conference standings. Even the #3-#5 pitchers for St. Olaf are pretty good, so who knows. All I know is that this is shaping up to be a great finish to a very interesting season, just like I'd hoped for. :)
Quote from: supermiac on May 04, 2008, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 04, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
I think BU will take at least one game against HU, they have all their top pitchers rested while HU will most likely use Roiger on 2 days rest and then their #3.
I have BU listed at 11-7, I was assuming they beat Olaf (because BU will have something to play for while StO doesn't. The game is so close to playoffs I don't know if StO throws anyone good in that single game)
I'm not sure about the HU-BU series. I think Hamline's hitting is a head above Bethel's; so I'm not sure if BU pitching their #1 or #2 guarantees anything for them. I would also say that StO will probably take the game from BU. Bethel has to pitch their #3 or #4, and it's not like StO is going to lay down and die for any team, regardless of place in the conference standings. Even the #3-#5 pitchers for St. Olaf are pretty good, so who knows. All I know is that this is shaping up to be a great finish to a very interesting season, just like I'd hoped for. :)
I think the Oles are still alive for a Pool C bid should they win out and finish 20-6 in-region. Point could finish about 21-10 or 22-9 in-region after playing Whitewater. Point's OWP is better, but three or four fewer losses for StO could cancel out that advantage. In any event, StO is right there with Point, IMO.
GAC swept AUG today, they have clinched a spot. HU-BU now play for the final spot.
Here is where the scenarios shake out now that GAC has clinched:
-Bethel sweeps Hamline, Bethel loses to St Olaf, and Concordia sweeps St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
GAC 12-8 (4-0 record vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 3 seed)
BU 12-8 (2-2 record vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 4 seed)
CON 12-8 (0-4 record vs other teams with 12-8 record, eliminated from playoffs)
HU 11-9
-Bethel sweeps Hamline, Bethel loses to St Olaf, and Concordia loses ANY game vs St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
GAC 12-8 (2-0 record vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 3 seed)
BU 12-8 (0-2 record vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 4 seed)
HU 11-9
CON 11-9 (or worse)
-Bethel sweeps Hamline, Bethel beats St Olaf, and Concordia sweeps St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
BU 13-7 (playoff 3 seed)
GAC 12-8 (2-0 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 4 seed)
CON 12-8 (0-2 vs other teams with 12-8 record, eliminated from playoffs)
HU 11-9
-Bethel sweeps Hamline, Bethel beats St Olaf, and Concordia loses ANY game vs St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
BU 13-7 (playoff 3 seed)
GAC 12-8 (playoff 4 seed)
HU 11-9
CON 11-9 (or worse)
-Hamline sweeps Bethel, Bethel W/L vs St Olaf (game becomes irrelevant), and Concordia sweeps St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
HU 13-7 (playoff 3 seed)
GAC 12-8 (2-0 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 4 seed)
CON 12-8 (0-2 vs other teams with 12-8 record, eliminated from playoffs)
BU 11-9 (or 10-10 depending on outcome vs St Olaf)
-Hamline sweeps Bethel, Bethel W/L vs St Olaf (game becomes irrelevant), and Concordia loses ANY game vs St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
HU 13-7 (playoff 3 seed)
GAC 12-8 (playoff 4 seed)
BU 11-9 (or 10-10 depending on outcome vs St Olaf)
CON 11-9 (or worse)
-Hamline and Bethel split, Bethel beats St Olaf, and Concordia sweeps St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
HU 12-8 (5-1 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 3 seed)
GAC 12-8 (4-2 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 4 seed)
BU 12-8 (3-3 vs other teams with 12-8 record, eliminated from playoffs)
CON 12-8 (0-6 vs other teams with 12-8 record, eliminated from playoffs)
-Hamline and Bethel split, Bethel beats St Olaf, and Concordia loses ANY game vs St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
HU 12-8 (3-1 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 3 seed)
GAC 12-8 (2-2 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 4 seed)
BU 12-8 (1-3 vs other teams with 12-8 record, eliminated from playoffs)
CON 11-9 (or worse)
-Hamline and Bethel split, Bethel loses to St Olaf, and Concordia sweeps St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
HU 12-8 (4-0 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 3 seed)
GAC 12-8 (2-2 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 4 seed)
CON 12-8 (0-4 vs other teams with 12-8 record, eliminated from playoffs)
BU 11-9
-Hamline and Bethel split, Bethel loses to St Olaf, and Concordia loses ANY game vs St Marys, St Thomas, and Augsburg:
HU 12-8 (2-0 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 3 seed)
GAC 12-8 (0-2 vs other teams with 12-8 record, playoff 4 seed)
BU 11-9
CON 11-9 (or worse)
TO SUMMARIZE:
If Hamline sweeps or splits with Bethel then Hamline is the 3 seed and GAC is the 4 seed. If Bethel sweeps Hamline and beats St Olaf then Bethel is the 3 seed and GAC is the 4 seed. And if Bethel sweeps Hamline but loses to St Olaf GAC is the 3 seed and Bethel is the 4 seed.
POY and Pitcher of Year anyone?
I think Pitcher of Year is easy with Roiger, but POY is tricky. Bullis had a great season; but I think Kaczrowski's numbers and production were much better, therefore I'd give it to him. Any thoughts?
Roiger and Kaczrowski
Kaczrowski production was much better and if you look at just conference stats (good to look at because they have same opponents) his are much better than Bullis's
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 07, 2008, 01:52:48 PM
Roiger and Kaczrowski
Kaczrowski production was much better and if you look at just conference stats (good to look at because they have same opponents) his are much better than Bullis's
Definitely agree.
Any thoughts on all-conference before those picks come out later this week?
I think its too bad Con catcher Kyle Johnson didn't play on a beter team, he won the 'conf-only stats' Triple Crown (.500avg tied him with Kaz for the league lead, 5hr, 24 rbi).
The coaches do put an emphasis on conf-only stats, as I've said before.
If anyone is listening to the streams, could you help a dude out with periodic scores? Every few innings or so, maybe? More often would be great, but I'm not greedy.
Quicktime crashes my system for whatever reason, and I can't get the streams, which are available for most teams. Plus, I didn't see any live stats.
StO 2 HU 1 through 7. Roiger pitching for HU, Mathison for StO. Doesn't look like USt or GAC are providing updates on their game.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 09, 2008, 06:03:51 PM
StO 2 HU 1 through 7. Roiger pitching for HU, Mathison for StO. Doesn't look like USt or GAC are providing updates on their game.
Thanks a bunch.
Here's the GAC feed, although the first game appears to be over.
Guessing StT romped. Or not ... I thought that's why the feed link was now gone. The GAC/StT link was up about five minutes ago. Now it only shows the 7 p.m. game.
http://gustavus.edu/athletics/audio.cfm (http://gustavus.edu/athletics/audio.cfm)
StO-HU announcers just said the USt-GAC score was 3-1 USt. No inning mentioned.
HU has a runner at 2nd with 1 out and top of the lineup (Kaczrowski) up.
USt just blew up the other game, 8-1 through 7.
StO 2, HU 2, bottom 8
You getting both via Quicktime? Let me know if you find live stats. Really wish I could have listened to Mathison vs. Roiger ...
Just listening to StO-HU, they are providing sporadic updates on USt-GAC.
StO 5 HU 2. StO scores go ahead run on throwing error by RF trying to get Ole runner advancing 1st to 3rd on a single. Double off cf wall brings in next run. Single up the middle brings in 5th run.
StO 6 HU 2. 9 Oles bat in the 8th, 2 HU errors.
Looks like it'll be StO-USt in the winners rd game.
1st Rd-
StO (Mathison) 6 - HU (Roiger) 2
USt (Schuld) 11 - GAC (Michaelis) 3
StO and HU go at each other with their #1s, both throw CGs. GAC and USt save theirs (to put it another way, GAC 'sacrificed' Michaelis)
2nd Rd
USt (Robinson) 6 - StO (Johnson) 2
GAC (Wold) 7 - HU (Mullendore) 3
Robinson and Wold throw CGs, Johnson and Mullendore get knocked out for StO and HU.
GAC and StO play tomorrow for the right to play USt. I would expect to see Dimick (or maybe Sommer) for Olaf and Bren for GAC.
USt will most likely throw Olsen against the winner, and if StO/GAC should win that game I could see the final game being a slugfest since both teams will have to go pretty deep in to their pitching staffs.
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 08, 2008, 09:23:19 PM
MiacBaseballFan,
I don't have a comprehensive list like Jim's link, but here are the MIAC players I can think of that are still active in Pro ball:
Andrew Schmiessing, OF, StO, MN Twins
Chris Coste, C, Con, Phillies
Brian Whinnery, LHP, UST, StP Saints
your old teammate Foster
Charlie Ruud, RHP, StO, StP Saints
Brian Sprout, INF, StO, StP Saints
Tony Konicek, OF, GAC, Evansville
Casey Haugen, C, SJU, Winnipeg *just my 2 cents, but if this guys dad wasn't SJU's coach, would he be playing professional baseball???* UPDATE: Haugen was recently released by Winnipeg.
Zach Goldberg, C, UST, *not sure about this one. As far as I can tell Goldberg played for and was released from a number of Frontier League and American Assocation teams last year, don't know if he'll be playing again* UPDATE: Goldberg was signed by Evansville of the Frontier League last week following the league tryout.
Josh Dietz, P/INF/DH, CON, Gateway *signed in Dec, released in May*
Good luck tonight vs Edgewood.
I'd guess that Lonnie Robinson (P, USt) gets drafted and that Kyle Johnson (C, Con), and Andrew Bennet (OF, Ham) both get serious looks from some independent league teams
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 12, 2008, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 08, 2008, 09:23:19 PM
MiacBaseballFan,
I don't have a comprehensive list like Jim's link, but here are the MIAC players I can think of that are still active in Pro ball:
Andrew Schmiessing, OF, StO, MN Twins
Chris Coste, C, Con, Phillies
Brian Whinnery, LHP, UST, StP Saints
your old teammate Foster
Charlie Ruud, RHP, StO, StP Saints
Brian Sprout, INF, StO, StP Saints
Tony Konicek, OF, GAC, Evansville
Casey Haugen, C, SJU, Winnipeg *just my 2 cents, but if this guys dad wasn't SJU's coach, would he be playing professional baseball???* UPDATE: Haugen was recently released by Winnipeg.
Zach Goldberg, C, UST, *not sure about this one. As far as I can tell Goldberg played for and was released from a number of Frontier League and American Assocation teams last year, don't know if he'll be playing again* UPDATE: Goldberg was signed by Evansville of the Frontier League last week following the league tryout.
Josh Dietz, P/INF/DH, CON, Gateway *signed in Dec, released in May*
Good luck tonight vs Edgewood.
I'd guess that Lonnie Robinson (P, USt) gets drafted and that Kyle Johnson (C, Con), and Andrew Bennet (OF, Ham) both get serious looks from some independent league teams
Kyle Johnson is only a junior, which is kind of scary. He's going to make some team very happy after he graduates next year, that's all I'll say.
Didn't Johnson play for an independent team last summer?
Excellent catch on Johnson only being a jr.
He couldn't have signed with an independent team, I've gotta believe that'd have to be an NCAA violation of some kind. Maybe he played for a Northwoods team? He's on the Isanti Redbirds town team roster...
Speaking of MIAC catchers and the Northwoods... Craig Henry had his offer to play in the Northwoods recinded after his numbers decreased from last year (Avg: .395 v .327, Hits: 45 v 35, Xbh 19 (2hr) v 9 (0hr), RBI 19 v 12).
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 13, 2008, 09:41:26 AM
Excellent catch on Johnson only being a jr.
He couldn't have signed with an independent team, I've gotta believe that'd have to be an NCAA violation of some kind. Maybe he played for a Northwoods team? He's on the Isanti Redbirds town team roster...
Speaking of MIAC catchers and the Northwoods... Craig Henry had his offer to play in the Northwoods recinded after his numbers decreased from last year (Avg: .395 v .327, Hits: 45 v 35, Xbh 19 (2hr) v 9 (0hr), RBI 19 v 12).
That's correct. That's what I get for not looking it up.
All Conf team, POYs, and COY announced:
http://www.miac-online.org/News/baseball/2008/5/13/bsbawards08.asp?path=baseball (http://www.miac-online.org/News/baseball/2008/5/13/bsbawards08.asp?path=baseball)
Pitcher - Josh Roiger, HU (no surprise)
CoPlayer - Dan Kazsrowksi, HU (no surprise)
CoPlayer - Todd Mathison, StO (somewhat surprising, since he's better known as a pitcher)
Coach - Dennis Denning, USt (not surprising, but Verdugo and Carroll should get some recognition)
Here is a breakdown of All Conf members by school (schools in order of reg season finish):
USt: 5
StO: 5
Ham: 4
GAC: 1
BU: 1
CON: 3
SJU: 1
AUG: 2
MAC: 2
SMU: 1
Car: 2
There were some guys I disagree with (excluding those players from teams with only 1 AllConf member):
Craig Henry, C, Aug: This was obviously just based on Henry's performance last year, his numbers decreased in nearly every category. My most compelling arguement would be to compare Henry's conf stats to GAC's C, Shea Roerhkasse:
Both guys were 25-65 (.385avg), but Shea had more R, 2b, Hr, Rbi, & Slug% and less K. Henry led in OBP% (by.015). Defensively, Shea threw out 8 of 23 runners, Henry 9 of 18.
Adam Johnson, P, Con: I like this young pitcher, but his stats weren't incredible enough to warrant 6th place Concordia getting 3 players on the team (K Johnson and Schumacher definitely deserved it however)
Ethan Guevin, P, Car: Lower overall ERA than Lonnie Robinson? Impressive! But conf era of 4.11 with a 1-4 record doesn't merit Carleton getting 2 AllConf members after finishing LAST.
Devin English, INF, Mac: Same arguement as above, he has one impressive stat (4 conf HR) but a lot of all mediocre ones (.330 conf avg?), and a team in 9th place deserves only 1 all conf team member (James Murrey in this case).
With those 4 spots taken away, I'd redistribute them to:
Aforementioned Shea Roerhkasse, C, GAC
Ben Turnwall, P, BU: 1-0, 6 saves in 7 conf appearances, .129 opp avg.
Dana Hegman, INF, BU: .381, 9xbh
Robby Wiens, OF, GAC: .377, 8xbh, 15rbi
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 14, 2008, 10:50:31 AM
All Conf team, POYs, and COY announced:
http://www.miac-online.org/News/baseball/2008/5/13/bsbawards08.asp?path=baseball (http://www.miac-online.org/News/baseball/2008/5/13/bsbawards08.asp?path=baseball)
Pitcher - Josh Roiger, HU (no surprise)
CoPlayer - Dan Kazsrowksi, HU (no surprise)
CoPlayer - Todd Mathison, StO (somewhat surprising, since he's better known as a pitcher)
Coach - Dennis Denning, USt (not surprising, but Verdugo and Carroll should get some recognition)
Here is a breakdown of All Conf members by school (schools in order of reg season finish):
USt: 5
StO: 5
Ham: 4
GAC: 1
BU: 1
CON: 3
SJU: 1
AUG: 2
MAC: 2
SMU: 1
Car: 2
There were some guys I disagree with (excluding those players from teams with only 1 AllConf member):
Craig Henry, C, Aug: This was obviously just based on Henry's performance last year, his numbers decreased in nearly every category. My most compelling arguement would be to compare Henry's conf stats to GAC's C, Shea Roerhkasse:
Both guys were 25-65 (.385avg), but Shea had more R, 2b, Hr, Rbi, & Slug% and less K. Henry led in OBP% (by.015). Defensively, Shea threw out 8 of 23 runners, Henry 9 of 18.
Adam Johnson, P, Con: I like this young pitcher, but his stats weren't incredible enough to warrant 6th place Concordia getting 3 players on the team (K Johnson and Schumacher definitely deserved it however)
Ethan Guevin, P, Car: Lower overall ERA than Lonnie Robinson? Impressive! But conf era of 4.11 with a 1-4 record doesn't merit Carleton getting 2 AllConf members after finishing LAST.
Devin English, INF, Mac: Same arguement as above, he has one impressive stat (4 conf HR) but a lot of all mediocre ones (.330 conf avg?), and a team in 9th place deserves only 1 all conf team member (James Murrey in this case).
With those 4 spots taken away, I'd redistribute them to:
Aforementioned Shea Roerhkasse, C, GAC
Ben Turnwall, P, BU: 1-0, 6 saves in 7 conf appearances, .129 opp avg.
Dana Hegman, INF, BU: .381, 9xbh
Robby Wiens, OF, GAC: .377, 8xbh, 15rbi
To begin, I agree with your selection of Craig Henry; it seems like his great season last year warranted an automatic bid as all-conference, which doesn't make sense anyways because there were already substantial amount of catchers (2) in Pexa and Johnson. Adam Johnson's selection however I don't think is as cut and dried. If you look at conf. stats only, he was pretty good. If you look at his overall statistics, he was still pretty good despite not getting too many innings. If the MIAC is going to have so many pitchers on the all-conf. team I think he is a shoe-in in most cases. In Guevin's case, I have trouble deciding whether he should or shouldn't be... if he played on any other team his W-L record would not be 3-5 (more like 5-3 atleast). In that case, he's an all-conf. bid; however, he still lost 5 games, while only winning 3, which is not good by any means. Devin English though, definitely deserves to be on the team. I'm not sure how you can't have him on your team Gustie when he hit 2 HR's against your pitching!! His conf. power numbers definitely warrant all-conf. However, I'm not sure the coaches look at conf. stats only; and if that's the case, I'm not sure when a player who got 37 runs, 4 HR's, 27 RBIs, and .354 BA ever missed all-MIAC. Maybe you could enlighten me?
In terms of choosing between your mentioned players, I think Turnwall was very deserving of all-MIAC. He was a lights out closer for Bethel with a silly K-9 ratio and a ton of saves. I'm not sure how the coaches missed that. However, Hegman did not deserve to be on the team, not if's and's or but's about it. He only had 1 HR, 12 RBIs and struck out 14 times in 22 starts. Any player who starts only 22 games (whether it be to injury/whatever) needs to impress better than that to get all-conference anywhere. I know he is a great hitter, he has been over the past couple years; but like Henry's case, that doesn't warrant all-conference. I definitely think Shea Roehrkasse should have been on the team; he's a mammoth with a good bat and solid behind the plate who had pretty good production this year as you listed off; and I think his teammate Robbie Wiens could make the same case as well.
Quote from: supermiac on May 14, 2008, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 14, 2008, 10:50:31 AM
There were some guys I disagree with (excluding those players from teams with only 1 AllConf member):
Craig Henry, C, Aug: This was obviously just based on Henry's performance last year, his numbers decreased in nearly every category. My most compelling arguement would be to compare Henry's conf stats to GAC's C, Shea Roerhkasse:
Both guys were 25-65 (.385avg), but Shea had more R, 2b, Hr, Rbi, & Slug% and less K. Henry led in OBP% (by.015). Defensively, Shea threw out 8 of 23 runners, Henry 9 of 18.
Adam Johnson, P, Con: I like this young pitcher, but his stats weren't incredible enough to warrant 6th place Concordia getting 3 players on the team (K Johnson and Schumacher definitely deserved it however)
Ethan Guevin, P, Car: Lower overall ERA than Lonnie Robinson? Impressive! But conf era of 4.11 with a 1-4 record doesn't merit Carleton getting 2 AllConf members after finishing LAST.
Devin English, INF, Mac: Same arguement as above, he has one impressive stat (4 conf HR) but a lot of all mediocre ones (.330 conf avg?), and a team in 9th place deserves only 1 all conf team member (James Murrey in this case).
With those 4 spots taken away, I'd redistribute them to:
Aforementioned Shea Roerhkasse, C, GAC
Ben Turnwall, P, BU: 1-0, 6 saves in 7 conf appearances, .129 opp avg.
Dana Hegman, INF, BU: .381, 9xbh
Robby Wiens, OF, GAC: .377, 8xbh, 15rbi
To begin, I agree with your selection of Craig Henry; it seems like his great season last year warranted an automatic bid as all-conference, which doesn't make sense anyways because there were already substantial amount of catchers (2) in Pexa and Johnson. Adam Johnson's selection however I don't think is as cut and dried. If you look at conf. stats only, he was pretty good. If you look at his overall statistics, he was still pretty good despite not getting too many innings. If the MIAC is going to have so many pitchers on the all-conf. team I think he is a shoe-in in most cases. In Guevin's case, I have trouble deciding whether he should or shouldn't be... if he played on any other team his W-L record would not be 3-5 (more like 5-3 atleast). In that case, he's an all-conf. bid; however, he still lost 5 games, while only winning 3, which is not good by any means. Devin English though, definitely deserves to be on the team. I'm not sure how you can't have him on your team Gustie when he hit 2 HR's against your pitching!! His conf. power numbers definitely warrant all-conf. However, I'm not sure the coaches look at conf. stats only; and if that's the case, I'm not sure when a player who got 37 runs, 4 HR's, 27 RBIs, and .354 BA ever missed all-MIAC. Maybe you could enlighten me?
In terms of choosing between your mentioned players, I think Turnwall was very deserving of all-MIAC. He was a lights out closer for Bethel with a silly K-9 ratio and a ton of saves. I'm not sure how the coaches missed that. However, Hegman did not deserve to be on the team, not if's and's or but's about it. He only had 1 HR, 12 RBIs and struck out 14 times in 22 starts. Any player who starts only 22 games (whether it be to injury/whatever) needs to impress better than that to get all-conference anywhere. I know he is a great hitter, he has been over the past couple years; but like Henry's case, that doesn't warrant all-conference. I definitely think Shea Roehrkasse should have been on the team; he's a mammoth with a good bat and solid behind the plate who had pretty good production this year as you listed off; and I think his teammate Robbie Wiens could make the same case as well.
Super, I couldn't tell from your post whether you agreed or disagreed, but I was saying Henry should not be on the team.
It sounds like you're in favor of Turnwall, Roerhkasse, and Wiens making the team, so which 3 guys would you take off the team?
I think its pretty sad that 4th place GAC and 5th place BU had 1 All Conf player each while last place Car and 9th place MAC had 2 each.
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Super, I couldn't tell from your post whether you agreed or disagreed, but I was saying Henry should not be on the team.
It sounds like you're in favor of Turnwall, Roerhkasse, and Wiens making the team, so which 3 guys would you take off the team?
I think its pretty sad that 4th place GAC and 5th place BU had 1 All Conf player each while last place Car and 9th place MAC had 2 each.
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To clarify, I agreed that Henry should not be on the team, sorry about the mixup. But yeah, I agree with you in that GAC and BU only had 1 in some sense. Any team who is in the playoff hunt should have more than one contributor to their success that deserves all-MIAC honors. However, maybe having only one guy on each team is a testament to how rounded the team in general is; maybe not, who knows. I know GAC deserved another player, not sure who though; probably Roehrkasse or maybe Wiens. But in Bethel's case: who else would you have? Hegman played 24 games and still did not produce great numbers. None of their pitchers except for Turnwall really did anything exceptional. Even Turnwall had only a 3.29 ERA in 12 innings, despite the 9 saves. If I'm voting relief pitchers in, I'd still rather have a guy who ate up a bit more innings than him. It's strange that GAC and Bethel only produced 1 LOCK all-MIAC selection this year though, I definitely expected more. I think however, for the most part, MAC's players were deserving. English had a good year with better overall production than any of the players you listed, and Murrey is probably going to be one of, if not the best pitcher in the conf. for the next couple years. Carleton, same thing. Melson had an unbelievable year, and Guevin had better pitching statistics than most despite not winning many games because of an anemic offense. However, I'm still pretty sure any of those players would rather be in Gustavus' shoes going into the playoffs each year, so it really doesn't matter IMO. It does stink only placing one player on the all-conference team, but I don't think we should overstate that.
I would have liked to see Roehrkasse and Turnwall make the team instead of... Henry and Siering/or Gagnon from StO. I'm not sure why Siering was voted above Wiens anyways really. But Gagnon benefited from being put behind 3 guys in the StO order who were always on base, so his RBIs may have been a bit inflated. Besides that, there wasn't really much production from him except for in the field.
I like where everyone is coming from however I think you have forgotten about Bethel's set up man, Kyle McCracken.
Player ERA W-L APP GS CG SHO/CBO SV IP H R ER BB SO
33 Kyle McCracken... 1.93 3-1 14 0 0 0/0 2 32.2 28 14 7 12 11
43 Ben Turnwall..... 3.29 1-1 13 0 0 0/1 9 13.2 12 5 5 4 24
He was one of the most dominant relief pitchers in the MIAC. A 1.93 ERA with 32.2 IP is unreal and well deserving of all conference honors.
I like where you are coming from on Turnwall and Wiens. Wiens' offense was stellar but his defense was even better, he put up good power numbers as well. Turnwall was 9-9 in save attempts and most of his earned runs came in his first appearance of the season when he gave up 2-3 runs at the Metrodome and had a 0.00 era in conference. I think McCracken, Turnwall, and Wiens would have been good all conference selections, but McCracken ahead of Turnwall.
I chose Turnwall over McCracken, despite the better ERA and more innings, because I view a closer as more important that a setup or middle relief guy. And thats how I saw their roles, Turnwall the clearcut closer and McCracken the middle-long relief or setup guy. To me its hard to justify a middle relief guy deserving All Conf. But McCracken would definitely be the one I'd pick if I had to choose one.
I sympathize with those who would have liked to see more All-MIAC players from teams that went to the playoffs, there are great players who didn't get picked this time. But I disagree with those who don't see Carleton's Guevin as an All-MIAC player.
He has great composure, leading a very young team whose defense led the league in errors for the second year in a row. He has had freshmen as catchers the past two years, yet he has been a consistently great pitcher for Carleton - who knows what his stats would be in front of a stronger defense ?
Imagine your favorite pitcher in that position, then consider how they'd match up. My hat's off to Guevin for what he has accomplished and for his leadership on the team.
Yeah he led them to a great 2-18 conf. season right? ::) Just kidding around. But yeah, I would have him on the team nonetheless; he is a good pitcher, and I'm interested to see how he fares in the Valley League this summer.
If Guevin gets All-Miac then Melson shouldn't, its that simple. Only one person from CAR should be on the all conf team. They both have decent arguements for inclusion.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 12, 2008, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 08, 2008, 09:23:19 PM
MiacBaseballFan,
I don't have a comprehensive list like Jim's link, but here are the MIAC players I can think of that are still active in Pro ball:
Andrew Schmiessing, OF, StO, MN Twins
Chris Coste, C, Con, Phillies
Brian Whinnery, LHP, UST, StP Saints
Kyle Foster, RHP, HU, StP Saints
Charlie Ruud, RHP, StO, StP Saints
Brian Sprout, INF, StO, StP Saints
Tony Konicek, OF, GAC, Evansville Konicek was released prior to the start of the season.
Casey Haugen, C, SJU, Winnipeg *just my 2 cents, but if this guys dad wasn't SJU's coach, would he be playing professional baseball???*UPDATE: Haugen was recently released by Winnipeg.
Zach Goldberg, C, UST, *not sure about this one. As far as I can tell Goldberg played for and was released from a number of Frontier League and American Assocation teams last year, don't know if he'll be playing again* UPDATE: Goldberg was signed by Evansville of the Frontier League last week following the league tryout. Goldberg traded to St Paul Saints. Currently backup C
Josh Dietz, P/INF/DH, CON, Gateway *signed in Dec, released in May*
Good luck tonight vs Edgewood.
I'd guess that Lonnie Robinson (P, USt) gets drafted and that Kyle Johnson (C, Con), and Andrew Bennet (OF, Ham) both get serious looks from some independent league teams. Bennet signed by StP Saints.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 29, 2008, 12:38:04 PM
If Guevin gets All-Miac then Melson shouldn't, its that simple. Only one person from CAR should be on the all conf team. They both have decent arguements for inclusion.
Perhaps; but you still don't add a different player from a different team who had lesser stats simply because their team was better overall. Guevin was a good pitcher; certainly a top 8 pitcher in the MIAC; and Melson's stats were certainly deserving of all-conf.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 29, 2008, 12:46:38 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 12, 2008, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 08, 2008, 09:23:19 PM
MiacBaseballFan,
I don't have a comprehensive list like Jim's link, but here are the MIAC players I can think of that are still active in Pro ball:
Andrew Schmiessing, OF, StO, MN Twins
Chris Coste, C, Con, Phillies
Brian Whinnery, LHP, UST, StP Saints
Kyle Foster, RHP, HU, StP Saints
Charlie Ruud, RHP, StO, StP Saints
Brian Sprout, INF, StO, StP Saints
Tony Konicek, OF, GAC, Evansville Konicek was released prior to the start of the season.
Casey Haugen, C, SJU, Winnipeg *just my 2 cents, but if this guys dad wasn't SJU's coach, would he be playing professional baseball???*UPDATE: Haugen was recently released by Winnipeg.
Zach Goldberg, C, UST, *not sure about this one. As far as I can tell Goldberg played for and was released from a number of Frontier League and American Assocation teams last year, don't know if he'll be playing again* UPDATE: Goldberg was signed by Evansville of the Frontier League last week following the league tryout. Goldberg traded to St Paul Saints. Currently backup C
Josh Dietz, P/INF/DH, CON, Gateway *signed in Dec, released in May*
Good luck tonight vs Edgewood.
I'd guess that Lonnie Robinson (P, USt) gets drafted and that Kyle Johnson (C, Con), and Andrew Bennet (OF, Ham) both get serious looks from some independent league teams. Bennet signed by StP Saints.
I have got good sources that have told me to expect to see Brandon Carr, 3b, Bethel drafted in this coming draft. The Twins have seen him play against pros for 3 years now when Bethel plays their rookie team during Bethel's Florida trip, and Brandon has put up great numbers against them every game even hitting a home run when he was a sophmore. Look for Brandon Carr to get drafted in the later rounds of this draft.
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I have got good sources that have told me to expect to see Brandon Carr, 3b, Bethel drafted in this coming draft. The Twins have seen him play against pros for 3 years now when Bethel plays their rookie team during Bethel's Florida trip, and Brandon has put up great numbers against them every game even hitting a home run when he was a sophmore. Look for Brandon Carr to get drafted in the later rounds of this draft.
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That could be, and I am sure he is a good ballplayer but I HOPE the Twins put a little more scouting into it that his performance against the "pros". Unless of course, he is the next Toby Gardenhire... ;)
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on May 29, 2008, 07:59:28 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 29, 2008, 12:46:38 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 12, 2008, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 08, 2008, 09:23:19 PM
MiacBaseballFan,
I don't have a comprehensive list like Jim's link, but here are the MIAC players I can think of that are still active in Pro ball:
Andrew Schmiessing, OF, StO, MN Twins
Chris Coste, C, Con, Phillies
Brian Whinnery, LHP, UST, StP Saints
Kyle Foster, RHP, HU, StP Saints
Charlie Ruud, RHP, StO, StP Saints
Brian Sprout, INF, StO, StP Saints
Tony Konicek, OF, GAC, Evansville Konicek was released prior to the start of the season.
Casey Haugen, C, SJU, Winnipeg *just my 2 cents, but if this guys dad wasn't SJU's coach, would he be playing professional baseball???*UPDATE: Haugen was recently released by Winnipeg.
Zach Goldberg, C, UST, *not sure about this one. As far as I can tell Goldberg played for and was released from a number of Frontier League and American Assocation teams last year, don't know if he'll be playing again* UPDATE: Goldberg was signed by Evansville of the Frontier League last week following the league tryout. Goldberg traded to St Paul Saints. Currently backup C
Josh Dietz, P/INF/DH, CON, Gateway *signed in Dec, released in May*
Good luck tonight vs Edgewood.
I'd guess that Lonnie Robinson (P, USt) gets drafted and that Kyle Johnson (C, Con), and Andrew Bennet (OF, Ham) both get serious looks from some independent league teams. Bennet signed by StP Saints.
I have got good sources that have told me to expect to see Brandon Carr, 3b, Bethel drafted in this coming draft. The Twins have seen him play against pros for 3 years now when Bethel plays their rookie team during Bethel's Florida trip, and Brandon has put up great numbers against them every game even hitting a home run when he was a sophmore. Look for Brandon Carr to get drafted in the later rounds of this draft.
I'd have a very tough time understanding why Brandon would get drafted when his brother wasn't. Kirby's career stats are better than Brandon's for every category except 2b (27 v 30) and SB (29 v 42). Kirby's BatAvg, R, H, 3b, HR, TB, Slug%, and RBI were all better than Brandon's, and if memory serves me correctly, Kirby has a better physical frame than Brandon (which MLB organizations pay special attention to when drafting D3 guys). Brandon is listed at 5'10 185 while Kirby was something like 6'2 210.
Just my opinion, I'm not knocking Brandon, I hope he does well if he gets drafted.
As for seeing someone against pros, I'm guessing that Bethel was using aluminum bats in those games, at least thats what we did when we played the Twins rookie league team. And having games against the Twins rookies didn't help 2002 MIAC POY Brad Mazer get drafted, although he did sign with Fargo Moorhead after the draft.
Kirby made it very clear his junior year that he would not be playing professional sports after college from the information I gathered at a Bethel game this spring. From what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong), he never had any desire to play professional baseball; and this led to him not being drafted or picked up by any professional team. Personally, I thought he had more talent than Konicek, Schmiesing, Kasner or any of the other great players in his class (albeit Schmiesing was a junior). IMO Carr was a 5-tool player who was also a very good student and leader. It's too bad he isn't playing anywhere.
And yes, I find it extremely hard to believe Brandon Carr is getting drafted. I saw him flash some power, but I also saw A LOT! of metal-bat hits coming off those new Eastons that Bethel used. Anyways, I do hope he gets drafted; along with Lonnie.
Lonnie has a good chance to get taken, Carr not so much. MLB clubs don't use draft picks on players that know one else has interest in. There are a lot of players that sign after the draft, because the club knows they aren't going to be taken in the draft. Then all it costs them is a plane ticket to Florida. Also he doesn't have game anywhere close to what his brother had. The physical makeup also will hurt him. Seen him play a few times in the past couple years and think he has frontier league written all over him. His brother on the other hand, was a GREAT D3 player and a great kid.
To respond, Bethel used baum bats in Florida versus the Twins, I know you all believe that Kirby was the better player, but Brandon is all around the better player. He has that nitty gritty attitude that you need in the field, he will stop any ball hit his way and he plays with a chip on his shoulder. I think Kirby was better than Konicek in '07, but he had no desire to play ball after college. Kirby had plenty of teams talking to him, but made it clear that he was not interested. For Brandon, baseball is his favorite sport where Kirby's was football. If Brandon is not drafted look for Verdugo to pick him up for Evansville.
Time to start thinking of projections for all miac next year. Here's what I want....1) Who will be the breakout player of the year? 2) Who will be the most dominant pitcher? 3) Who will be the most dominant hitter? 4) Who will be the MIAC MVP? 5) Who will be drafted from the seniors of 2009? I wanna here what you have to say!
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on May 31, 2008, 04:38:57 AM
To respond, Bethel used baum bats in Florida versus the Twins, I know you all believe that Kirby was the better player, but Brandon is all around the better player. He has that nitty gritty attitude that you need in the field, he will stop any ball hit his way and he plays with a chip on his shoulder. I think Kirby was better than Konicek in '07, but he had no desire to play ball after college. Kirby had plenty of teams talking to him, but made it clear that he was not interested. For Brandon, baseball is his favorite sport where Kirby's was football. If Brandon is not drafted look for Verdugo to pick him up for Evansville.
Hmmm...I would tend to disagree about Brandon being better. What exactly would you say was better about him? His bat speed or power (definitely not)? His arm (definitely not!)? His speed (maybe, Kirby could have stolen many more bases)? His fielding (maybe)? His size (yeah, right)? His leadership (no)? I'm not really sure you can say Kirby was "the lesser brother" when it came to baseball. Brandon is definitely a great MIAC player, definitely deserving of playing indy ball somewhere or potentially being drafted in the late rounds. HOWEVER, his brother truly was special; and any MIAC coach, fan, player, (pitcher), would agree.
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on May 31, 2008, 04:44:42 AM
Time to start thinking of projections for all miac next year. Here's what I want....1) Who will be the breakout player of the year? 2) Who will be the most dominant pitcher? 3) Who will be the most dominant hitter? 4) Who will be the MIAC MVP? 5) Who will be drafted from the seniors of 2009? I wanna here what you have to say!
1. Kyle Johnson C, Concordia
2. Todd Mathison, St. Olaf
James Murrey, Macalester
3. Kyle Johnson C, Concordia
4. Todd Mathison (again)
5. Kyle Johnson
(The '09 class seems pretty weak to me....I'm waiting to see what '10's will do once their senior year rolls around...they have the talent of the last few classes and then some)
Looks like no one was right, neither Robinson nor Carr was drafted. Although I gotta believe someone will sign Robinson.
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Quote from: supermiac on May 31, 2008, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on May 31, 2008, 04:44:42 AM
Time to start thinking of projections for all miac next year. Here's what I want....1) Who will be the breakout player of the year? 2) Who will be the most dominant pitcher? 3) Who will be the most dominant hitter? 4) Who will be the MIAC MVP? 5) Who will be drafted from the seniors of 2009? I wanna here what you have to say!
1. Kyle Johnson C, Concordia
2. Todd Mathison, St. Olaf
James Murrey, Macalester
3. Kyle Johnson C, Concordia
4. Todd Mathison (again)
5. Kyle Johnson
(The '09 class seems pretty weak to me....I'm waiting to see what '10's will do once their senior year rolls around...they have the talent of the last few classes and then some)
Johnson is an outstanding player, but given that Kaczrowski hit .477 with 5 HR, 40 RBI, and 21 SB, his name should definitely be included in that list.
Nick Winecke (SMU '07) takes over the SMU reins after Nick Whaley stepped down. A 24 year old head coach.
Any big news from any programs now that fall season is pretty much over?
I watched Hamline workout a few times this fall. They have some solid talent, but not enough overall depth to compete for a MIAC title.
I hate this time of year, when there isn't much baseball news to talk about! Anyone got anything interesting or any predictions on what will happen this year? Who are some players to really keep an eye on this year?
I'd keep an eye on Hamline's Kaczrowski. Last year's MIAC co-player of the year and All-American and last summer's MVP of the Central Illinois Collegiate League, in which he set single-season records in hits and assists. Pretty impressive to hit .389 against plenty of good Division I pitching in one of the top collegiate wood bat leagues in the country, especially when the next closest guy hit .324.
Does anyone have thoughts on how Carelton might stack up this year?
It's hard to say how the team will do, but look for Guevin to give Murrey and Mathison a run for their money for pitcher of the year. In 154 career innings pitched, Ethan has a 3.56 ERA and 127 K's; last year he battled through injury to post a 3.21 ERA. Although his conference-only numbers weren't as good as those two, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him have a huge year after a summer in a solid collegiate wood bat league.
Not so sure about that.
Career stats-
Mathison: 170.2 IP, 123 K, 1.85 ERA
Murrey: 116.2 IP, 122 K, 2.55 ERA
Guevin: 154 IP, 127 K, 3.56 ERA
Pretty tough to out-duel the top two especially considering you only win 3 games a year at Carleton with that offense. I also wouldn't count out other pitchers like Adam Johnson for Concordia or Matt Schuld for UST.
I'm not making an argument against Murrey and Mathison, but given the quality of his stuff, Guevin makes a pretty good sleeper pick. As for your point about 3 wins, Murrey and Mathison each had only 3 conference wins last year and Roiger won pitcher of the year on the strength of only 4 conference wins.
What do we have for preseason MIAC rankings by team? There's usually 3 tiers in the MIAC with STU, STO, Hamline in tier 1. With Bethel, Concordia, GAC, Augsburg in tier 2. and MAC, SMU, Carleton in tier 3....how do you think it will finish out this year?
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on January 10, 2009, 02:17:26 AM
What do we have for preseason MIAC rankings by team? There's usually 3 tiers in the MIAC with STU, STO, Hamline in tier 1. With Bethel, Concordia, GAC, Augsburg in tier 2. and MAC, SMU, Carleton in tier 3....how do you think it will finish out this year?
1. St. Olaf
2. St. Thomas
3. Concordia
4. Hamline
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on January 10, 2009, 02:17:26 AM
What do we have for preseason MIAC rankings by team? There's usually 3 tiers in the MIAC with STU, STO, Hamline in tier 1. With Bethel, Concordia, GAC, Augsburg in tier 2. and MAC, SMU, Carleton in tier 3....how do you think it will finish out this year?
What are the factors causing these three tiers and what might bring about a change?
Just trying to get to know this league a little better.
OS
St. Thomas obviously has tremendous advantages in terms of enrollment and facilities so it's unlikely they will ever leave that top tier. Baseball success at St. Olaf, Concordia, and Hamline can largely be attributed to exceptional coaching. The middle-tier programs are all usually very solid but clearly exhibit more year-to-year fluctuation between playoff contention and middle-dwelling. As top-ranked liberal arts schools with incredibly tough admissions standards, Carleton and Macalester are at a bit of a disadvantage athletically. While they do still recruit some excellent players and have the potential to surprise some teams, it's virtually impossible for them to be perennial powers. It's important to note, however, that one of the reasons MIAC baseball is so exciting is that on any given day, it's quite possible for any team to split with (or sweep) a better team.
I see that Carleton College has two players listed on the 2009 "Players to Watch" list.The list was chosen by NCAA Division III baseball coaches across the country, and spotlights a select group of student-athletes at each position. The list is included in the January 2nd issue of Collegiate Baseball, a newspaper that covers all levels of college baseball.
Guevin and Melson were both All-MIAC honorees last spring. Guevin paced the pitching staff in wins, innings, ERA and strikeouts. Melson hit .389 with seven home runs and 32 RBI.
They are among 11 baseball student-athletes from the Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) to land on Collegiate Baseball's list. The others are: Augsburg College junior catcher Craig Henry and junior pitcher Sam Weber, Bethel University senior pitchers Travis Adams and Ben Turnwall, Hamline University senior shortstop Dan Kaczrowski, St. Olaf College senior third baseman Nick Fuerst and senior pitcher Todd Mathison, and University of St. Thomas senior third baseman Dan Leslie and junior pitcher Matt Schuld.
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on January 10, 2009, 02:17:26 AM
What do we have for preseason MIAC rankings by team? There's usually 3 tiers in the MIAC with STU, STO, Hamline in tier 1. With Bethel, Concordia, GAC, Augsburg in tier 2. and MAC, SMU, Carleton in tier 3....how do you think it will finish out this year?
I don't mean to flame a fellow D3 baseball fan, but I'm a little perplexed at these Tiers, D3BBALL. Hamline has made the conf playoffs twice since the MIAC began their postseason playoffs in 2000 while GAC has made it 5 times. At the end of last year I took a look at each teams conf finish since 2000 and here are the tiers I found:
TEAM Avg Finish Avg Record
Tier 1-
UST 1.44 16-4
StO 1.89 16-4
Tier 2-
GAC 4.44 12-8
CON 4.89 12-8
Tier 3-
SJU 6.22 10-10
BU 6.56 9-11
HU 6.89 8-12
Tier 4-
SMU 7.44 9-11
Aug 8.00 7-13
MAC 8.11 7-13
Tier 5-
Car 10.11 4-16
Even if you just look at the last three years, when HU has improved greatly, the rankings are:
UST 1.00
StO 2.00
GAC 3.67
HU 4.00
BU 5.67
SJU 6.00
CON 6.67
AUG 7.00
MAC 9.33
SMU 10.00
CAR 10.67
In response to the question about WHY the schools are bad/good:
UST- Prestige of winning a national championship in '00 and runner up '99 & '98, good school, well known coach, pipeline to Cretin Derham Hall. Have sent a few players on to professional baseball.
StO- Good coaches, consistently top 2 in conf. Have sent a few players on to professional baseball.
GAC- Ex-pro coach
HU- Young, energetic, ex-pro coach. Improving team.
BU- Young, energetic coach. Limited (or helped?) by schools strict religious profile.
SJU- ?
Con- Hurt by playing near Canada.
Aug- Good young coach but have underperformed lately for whatever reason.
MAC- Good coach, but hurt by schools strict academic standards
SMU- Hurt by previous coach's lack of recruiting
Car- Strict academic standards.
I don't know if you all heard about the MIAC holding opening weekend at the Metrodome? I'm not sure what I think about that, I can see both sides in that it will guarantee all games getting played, but it also means giving up some teams' home games...What do you think about it? Here is what the schedule looks like.
3/27/2009 Saint Mary's vs. Augsburg
3/27/2009 Macalester vs. Saint John's
3/28/2009 Hamline vs. Carleton
3/28/2009 Gustavus vs. Concordia
3/28/2009 Bethel vs. St. Thomas
It should be fun to catch some of those games, but teams like Mary's, Mac, Hamline, GAC, and Bethel all give up home field advantage.
I am all for playing games in the Dome early in the season. GAC's schedule was mangled last year because of games being postponed and rescheduled.
I'm a little surprised they didn't schedule CON for an opening weekend home game and then play it at the Dome, the Cobber's field situation last season messed up a number of teams.
Gustie13,
It wouldn't hurt to mention that Gustavus and Hamline have been greatly helped the last few years by MIAC POYs like Konicek, Roiger, and Kaczrowski. It certainly helps put a program on the map when they have the premier player or pitcher in the conference, or in some cases, the nation. (And don't forget that Hamline currently has two, soon to be three, former players playing professional baseball, as well as a major league bullpen catcher.) I do agree that Gustavus got shortchanged a bit in some earlier posts; they are without question a top-tier MIAC team.
Quote from: miacbaseballfan on February 04, 2009, 05:32:38 PM
Gustie13,
It wouldn't hurt to mention that Gustavus and Hamline have been greatly helped the last few years by MIAC POYs like Konicek, Roiger, and Kaczrowski. It certainly helps put a program on the map when they have the premier player or pitcher in the conference, or in some cases, the nation. (And don't forget that Hamline currently has two, soon to be three, former players playing professional baseball, as well as a major league bullpen catcher.) I do agree that Gustavus got shortchanged a bit in some earlier posts; they are without question a top-tier MIAC team.
Andrew,
No doubt the elite level players that have come through the HU and GAC programs have raised the visibility of each; in the 6 years from 2002-2007 a GAC player won POY 4 times. Plus we had great pitchers like John Schaffler (at one time the only D3 pitcher to shut out UST for 6 years), Andy Schmidt, and Josh Spitzack. Roiger, Foster, Kaczrowski, and yourself have been big names in the conf lately as well. Without a doubt, the top 4 in the conf the last 3 years have been UST, StO, GAC, HU.
*interesting story about Schaffler. In 2002 he threw a 2-hit shutout against UST, at that time the defending national champ. The following year GAC and SJU finished tied for 4th and the last playoff berth went to tiebreakers. At the time the tiebreaker after head to head was a vague statement like 'record against teams ahead in the standings.' By GAC's interpretation of the rules they were in the playoffs, by SJUs interpretation they were in the playoffs, so it came down to a vote of all the coaches, which SJU won in a close vote. After the meeting Coach Denning went up to Coach Carroll and said "The only reason I voted for Coach Haugen's (SJU coach) interpretation is because we're the #1 seed and if you were the #4 seed we would have faced Schaffler and I didn't like our chances." Believe it if you want, but that would be some high praise of John Schaffler from Coach Denning.
You had to bring up Dammann. On the one hand I'm happy a former MIAC catcher is the Twins bp catcher, on the other hand I played against Nate and I think I could do a better job ;D
Off topic, are you playing for Rosetown this year?
Gustie,
Ok, I'm stumped. I thought I figured out who you were, but now I have no idea. I suppose my identity was no secret based on my email address, but I was hoping to toil in relative anonymity for as long as possible. Since my cover has officially been blown, it's probably time for me to effectively retire from the message board (I've been neglecting Facebook recently anyway).
Interesting story about the playoffs, though. I was familiar with the "record against other playoff teams" tie-breaker, so it seems a bit odd that would come to a vote. A bit reminiscent of the "Friday Night Lights" coin flip.
I actually recently got traded from Southern Illinois to Edmonton so at this point it looks like I won't be re-joining the Rosetown guys.
miacbaseballfan,
Sorry to unmask you, I hope it doesn't cause you to avoid the board.
I'm everyone's favorite former Gustavus/Green Mill catcher, Mike Holman.
How do you feel about the trade? Been up to Edmonton yet? I've heard good things about that city.
It'll be fun to get the MIAC underway tomorrow night when Hamline plays North Central at the Dome. I'm excited to watch Kazcrowski(sp?) play and interested to see if he'll be as good as people say especially without Bennett hitting behind him. I'm sure he'll be as good as people say he is after dominating this summer in the Chicago League, but it will be interesting to see if teams approach him differently and pitch around him in the MIAC this spring due to the fact that Bennett isn't hitting right behind him. One other thing....Where did he come from, I know he is from St. Anthony, but I never heard of him in High School...just a late bloomer or what?
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on February 09, 2009, 03:06:57 PM
It'll be fun to get the MIAC underway tomorrow night when Hamline plays North Central at the Dome. I'm excited to watch Kazcrowski(sp?) play and interested to see if he'll be as good as people say especially without Bennett hitting behind him. I'm sure he'll be as good as people say he is after dominating this summer in the Chicago League, but it will be interesting to see if teams approach him differently and pitch around him in the MIAC this spring due to the fact that Bennett isn't hitting right behind him. One other thing....Where did he come from, I know he is from St. Anthony, but I never heard of him in High School...just a late bloomer or what?
So, what did you think of Dan Kaczrowski? You'd think 7-for-9, 6 RBI, 6 R, 2 2B and an HR would be impressive enough.
Too bad Hamline couldn't do what Bethany did against North Central – toss a no-hitter (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/?page=f09ncbl1). A one-hitter will do just fine, though.
HU/NCC Game 1 box (http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/baseball/2009/stats/hu-ncu1.htm), Game 2 box (http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/baseball/2009/stats/hu-ncu2.htm)
Quote from: OshDude on February 11, 2009, 10:39:30 AM
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on February 09, 2009, 03:06:57 PM
It'll be fun to get the MIAC underway tomorrow night when Hamline plays North Central at the Dome. I'm excited to watch Kazcrowski(sp?) play and interested to see if he'll be as good as people say especially without Bennett hitting behind him. I'm sure he'll be as good as people say he is after dominating this summer in the Chicago League, but it will be interesting to see if teams approach him differently and pitch around him in the MIAC this spring due to the fact that Bennett isn't hitting right behind him. One other thing....Where did he come from, I know he is from St. Anthony, but I never heard of him in High School...just a late bloomer or what?
So, what did you think of Dan Kaczrowski? You'd think 7-for-9, 6 RBI, 6 R, 2 2B and an HR would be impressive enough.
Too bad Hamline could do what Bethany did against North Central – toss a no-hitter (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/?page=f09ncbl1). A one-hitter will do just fine, though.
HU/NCC Game 1 box (http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/baseball/2009/stats/hu-ncu1.htm), Game 2 box (http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/baseball/2009/stats/hu-ncu2.htm)
Yes 7 for 9 with a bomb , 6rbi's etc. is very solid, but you have to remember that playing North Central is basically taking batting practice from your coach. Didn't they only have like 14 players on their team? Congrats to Kaczrowski for doing so well, but I can't just look at this game do draw conclusions....Cmon, my HS team could beat North Central. That is a solid game though.
Not a bad day, cant take anything away from that especially to start the year off.
But on the other hand North Central is a pretty bad baseball team so it really doesnt mean much
Those are the kind of stat-lines you need against teams like North Central.
I've never met Kacz but 5-9 170 is a little on the slight side. Probably hurts his chances of getting drafted since teams seem to focus on size with D3 kids.
On another note, there are two pitchers from last years HU team that I don't see on the roster this season: Andrew Beltowsky and Dominic Chenois. Neither was listed as a sr last year, anyone know why these two wouldn't be out again this year? They would have been two of HU's most experienced pitchers, instead, HU started 2 soph's against North Central.
Quote from: Gustie13 on February 12, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
On another note, there are two pitchers from last years HU team that I don't see on the roster this season: Andrew Beltowsky and Dominic Chenois. Neither was listed as a sr last year, anyone know why these two wouldn't be out again this year? They would have been two of HU's most experienced pitchers, instead, HU started 2 soph's against North Central.
It will be interesting to see how Hamline's pitching holds up this season as there is no senior pitcher on their roster like you said. I played against Kent Huls this summer in the CVL and he is a pretty decent pitcher who had decent stuff for being a freshman. Anyone know if he is going to be their #1? Tough loss in losing Beltowsky and Chenois if that's the case. Congrats to Kent though from a fellow CVL member for pitching in both games on Tuesday night.
Anybody planning to catch the Elmhurst vs Augsburg DH on Sunday in the MetroDome? I am hoping to attend at least one of the games.
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 27, 2009, 02:33:22 PM
Anybody planning to catch the Elmhurst vs Augsburg DH on Sunday in the MetroDome? I am hoping to attend at least one of the games.
I dont think so since I checked both of their schedules and they are not playing each other, unless there were changes.
Augsburg plays Edgewood on Saturday
Elmhurst plays Concordia on sunday
Probably wouldnt go anyways, rather spend my time watching Scholastica vs Thomas at 630pm on sunday
Quote from: BaseballFan on February 27, 2009, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 27, 2009, 02:33:22 PM
Anybody planning to catch the Elmhurst vs Augsburg DH on Sunday in the MetroDome? I am hoping to attend at least one of the games.
I dont think so since I checked both of their schedules and they are not playing each other, unless there were changes.
Augsburg plays Edgewood on Saturday
Elmhurst plays Concordia on sunday
Probably wouldnt go anyways, rather spend my time watching Scholastica vs Thomas at 630pm on sunday
It appears you are correct. They must have changed the games in the past few days. I guess I am seeing a game featuring no one from the midwest region.
Did anyone attend the UST - CSS DH? Sounds like a pair of great games from the rundown on the mainpage. Sounds like Schuld picked up where he left off last season.
87 minutes a piece?? That is crazy!
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 02, 2009, 11:46:33 AM
Did anyone attend the UST - CSS DH? Sounds like a pair of great games from the rundown on the mainpage. Sounds like Schuld picked up where he left off last season.
87 minutes a piece?? That is crazy!
Both games were very well played and really quick (thanks to not many walks). All four pitchers looked pretty good. Schuld was hitting a lot of corners and racked up the Ks. Burg was equally as effective didnt have many Ks but he got Thomas to hit a lot of slow dribblers. Kummet also looked good, velocity in the low 90s
Besides Thomas 2 pitchers I wasnt too impressed, their hitting wasnt that great. Granted they were going up against 2 of the nations best and its their first games of the year.
UST lost their 2 best hitters to graduation (Chris Bullis & Matt Pexa) so it'll be interesting to see how they fill those holes.
They graduated Lonnie Robinson as well, but get back Dan Leslie, who didn't pitch most of last year.
Did the teams scrimmage or practice after the games were over??
Quote from: Gustie13 on March 03, 2009, 11:56:12 AM
UST lost their 2 best hitters to graduation (Chris Bullis & Matt Pexa) so it'll be interesting to see how they fill those holes.
They graduated Lonnie Robinson as well, but get back Dan Leslie, who didn't pitch most of last year.
Did the teams scrimmage or practice after the games were over??
Not sure if either team practiced after, i believe they only had about 40 minutes left on the field and css had a long drive ahead so dont think they did.
Anyone got scores on the SJU/Dakota games today?
Was anyone able to take in either of the GAC dhs over the weekend? Saw they went 3-1, wondering how they looked.
Judging from the lineup they aren't going to overpower anyone offensively this year.
Not a good sign that GAC and AUG were swept by avg - above avg non conf foes recently: GAC dropped 2 vs Buena Vista of the IIAC and AUG lost both its games to UW Lacrosse of WIAC.
The middle of that La Crosse line up is very good. Saw them play CSS in the dome earlier this season.
Haven't heard any mention of UWLaCrosse threatening to overtake Whitewater, StevensPoint, or Oshkosh in the WIAC, so the 12-6 and 11-2 losses by AUG don't look promising, imo.
The MIAC preseason coaches poll has been released. I wouldn't put much stock in it, the coaches rarely put much thought into it, usually matching up with the previous years final standings pretty close. The only real change here is that they dropped bethel down a few notches.
1. St. Thomas (8)
2. St. Olaf (3)
3. Gustavus
4. Hamline
5. Concordia
6. Saint John's
7. Augsburg
8. Bethel
9. Macalester
10. Carleton
11. Saint Mary's
Well i'm pleasantly surprised by GACs 4-0 start ;D The sweep of SMU on the road wasn't spectacular, but between them and SJU I would have expected at least 1 loss for the Gusties and wouldn't have been surprised if GAC had started 2-2.
I think they're lack of power will ultimately be their downfall (.429 team slug% isn't very good), but they're doing enough to get the job done so far.
I think Travis Adams' two 1-0 wins over UST and StO are pretty exciting. I would have said the Pitcher of the year award was a three way race between Schuld, Mathison, and Murrey, but Adams is definitely in the discussion now.
Speaking of Schuld, his season is starting to look interesting. He started out hot, his stats in his first two games (against Scholastica and Whitewater) were 14inn 2er 22k. But his last two starts he's given up 5er each time and he's also being used in relief as well now.
Travis Adams (BU) and James Murrey (MAC) still have conference eras of 0.00. Adams is 3-0 with 27 innings pitched while Murrey is 1-1 in 14 innings (with 23 Ks). Pretty impressive.
Some good games today:
StO @ USt (for first place in the conference)
GAC @ CAR (Carleton is improved, a split would hurt GACs playoff hopes)
CON @ HU (both teams are .500 and have playoff aspirations)
BU @ AUG (both teams have playoff aspirations)
Today should help sort out the muddled playoff outlook- 9 teams are currently .500 or better in conf.
The MIAC games will start to make the Midwest Region a little more clear as well. A few teams can make or break their seasons in the next few days.
I guess I'll pick up the slack of MIAC followers
Thomas and Olaf split 2-0, 7-9 (8 inn.)
Carleton and Gustavus split 6-1, 0-6
St. Johns sweeps St. Marys
Hamline and Concordia split
Macalester loses to Northwestern (1 game)
Bummer that this board isn't as active this year, especially considering how strong the top of the MIAC has been in-region.
Quote from: OshDude on April 15, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
Bummer that this board isn't as active this year, especially considering how strong the top of the MIAC has been in-region.
I agree... sort of disappointing that most of the activity on here is from out of region posters.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 16, 2009, 08:39:20 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 15, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
Bummer that this board isn't as active this year, especially considering how strong the top of the MIAC has been in-region.
I agree... sort of disappointing that most of the activity on here is from out of region posters.
Not to nitpick, and I agree the lack of discussion is dissapointing, but 12 of the last 18 posts have been from BaseballFan or myself, and I think we're both MIAC fans, so I don't think its out of region posters carrying this board.
BU brought Travis Adams back on 4 days rest against Augsburg and he got hit around a little bit, 5inn 4er.
Even after Wednesday's games there are still 10 teams .500 or above in conf...
Gustie- I was not insinuating it correctly. MY fault. I was commenting that this board is being carried by only a few posters and it would be nice to get others involved if possible. Sometimes, a new perspective can really heat things up on a board.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 17, 2009, 09:28:24 AM
I was commenting that this board is being carried by only a few posters and it would be nice to get others involved if possible. Sometimes, a new perspective can really heat things up on a board.
Couldn't agree more. I check the board every day but its no fun just having a private conversation between BaseballFan and myself about the MIAC :(
Its a shame Todd Mathison will graduate this year without winning a conf pitcher of the year award (unless the coaches give it to him this year when his stats aren't very great). His first three years at StO were pretty incredible, 9-0 1.40era fr year, 6-0 1.80era soph year, 6-2 2.35era jr year. If he gets another 3 wins this year he'll tie Charlie Ruud for the most Ws in StO program history. He got robbed his freshman year when the coaches gave it to teammate Eric Tobias despite Mathison's better stats (he threw 31+ conf innings without giving up a run, first miac pitcher to do that).
With Adams' slip up against Augsburg and Matt Schuld's 1 hit cg shutout of StO I'd say the pitcher of the year race includes those 2 and MAC's James Murrey.
Player of the year is anyones guess right now.
Does anyone know if Kyle Foster is playing minor league ball anymore? milb.com doesn't have a team listed for him. I couldn't find anything for Andrew Schmiesing from StO, who was drafted by the Twins in '07, is he out as well?
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 17, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 17, 2009, 09:28:24 AM
I was commenting that this board is being carried by only a few posters and it would be nice to get others involved if possible. Sometimes, a new perspective can really heat things up on a board.
Couldn't agree more. I check the board every day but its no fun just having a private conversation between BaseballFan and myself about the MIAC :(
Its a shame Todd Mathison will graduate this year without winning a conf pitcher of the year award (unless the coaches give it to him this year when his stats aren't very great). His first three years at StO were pretty incredible, 9-0 1.40era fr year, 6-0 1.80era soph year, 6-2 2.35era jr year. If he gets another 3 wins this year he'll tie Charlie Ruud for the most Ws in StO program history. He got robbed his freshman year when the coaches gave it to teammate Eric Tobias despite Mathison's better stats (he threw 31+ conf innings without giving up a run, first miac pitcher to do that).
With Adams' slip up against Augsburg and Matt Schuld's 1 hit cg shutout of StO I'd say the pitcher of the year race includes those 2 and MAC's James Murrey.
Player of the year is anyones guess right now.
Does anyone know if Kyle Foster is playing minor league ball anymore? milb.com doesn't have a team listed for him. I couldn't find anything for Andrew Schmiesing from StO, who was drafted by the Twins in '07, is he out as well?
A Baseball America blog said Andrew was released. I think the MIAC is down to Chris Coste.
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 17, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 17, 2009, 09:28:24 AM
I was commenting that this board is being carried by only a few posters and it would be nice to get others involved if possible. Sometimes, a new perspective can really heat things up on a board.
Couldn't agree more. I check the board every day but its no fun just having a private conversation between BaseballFan and myself about the MIAC :(
Its a shame Todd Mathison will graduate this year without winning a conf pitcher of the year award (unless the coaches give it to him this year when his stats aren't very great). His first three years at StO were pretty incredible, 9-0 1.40era fr year, 6-0 1.80era soph year, 6-2 2.35era jr year. If he gets another 3 wins this year he'll tie Charlie Ruud for the most Ws in StO program history. He got robbed his freshman year when the coaches gave it to teammate Eric Tobias despite Mathison's better stats (he threw 31+ conf innings without giving up a run, first miac pitcher to do that).
With Adams' slip up against Augsburg and Matt Schuld's 1 hit cg shutout of StO I'd say the pitcher of the year race includes those 2 and MAC's James Murrey.
Player of the year is anyones guess right now.
Does anyone know if Kyle Foster is playing minor league ball anymore? milb.com doesn't have a team listed for him. I couldn't find anything for Andrew Schmiesing from StO, who was drafted by the Twins in '07, is he out as well?
When Todd Mathison was a Freshman and Paul Johnson was a sophomore, I thought the MIAC and the rest of region were in for a long couple years. Unfortunately, Olaf was never able to do much come playoff time due to arm problems and not being able to put together an offense that could produce enough runs.
I think most of the lack of chatter on this board is due to the MIAC being kind of down these last couple years. Its been mainly a 2 horse race between Olaf and Thomas. Just look at this year, only 3 of 11 teams are over .500.
In regards to Schmiessing I heard that he was headed to the Saints. I'm not sure if it is true, but I talked to someone who said they saw that in one of the local papers. This playoff run should be pretty interesting in the next couple weeks. As usual it appears there will be a lot of tie breaker talk as the season comes to a close.
I took in the second half of the double header between Augsburg and Bethel the other day. It was not too exciting. Strong pitching, but overall both teams appeared to have a poor approach at the plate. Bethel took A LOT of pitches and got themselves in poor hitting counts which might be the reason they scored 1 run the entire day. Apart from Oesterlin, Churchill and Jay Slick the hitting has not been great as of late.
I too believe I saw that Smeising was going to be playing for St. Paul Saints this year. That is where all the late and great MIAC players end up anyway right?!?!
So, if the MIAC is down, and the WIAC is down, where does that leave the playoff picture for the region.
Why are these leagues down in all your opinions? Poor talent? poor recruiting? are better kids being taken to other places, such as D2 schools or juco? I havent quite figured it out yet.
Quote from: dukes on April 17, 2009, 06:29:05 PM
I too believe I saw that Smeising was going to be playing for St. Paul Saints this year. That is where all the late and great MIAC players end up anyway right?!?!
So, if the MIAC is down, and the WIAC is down, where does that leave the playoff picture for the region.
Why are these leagues down in all your opinions? Poor talent? poor recruiting? are better kids being taken to other places, such as D2 schools or juco? I havent quite figured it out yet.
I think its just part of the natural cycle of things. There will be some years where there are a lot of teams that look great then some years where not many look great. So it could be all of those reasons that you mentioned above or its just that the talent level of baseball players entering d3 is down.
Im not sure if the rest of the regions are down but the midwest is definately down. Looks like Thomas, Oshkosh, and CSS are the top 3 by far. And I would say that those 3 teams are having down years talent wise compared to previous seasons especially CSS and thomas
I think the races this year will be better than in years past. There are so many teams still in the mix and coming down to the last 8 games we'll see quite a bit how it will all shape up. By tomorrow night I think we'll see some front runners emerge and other teams drop off a bit. As far as Bethel goes, there still in the race and have a weak 2nd half of the schedule.
I also heard Schmiesing is playing with the Saints this summer as his stats down in Fl weren't that great. I also heard Kyle Foster is goign to be playing for them again too, I guess he was cut from the Sox organization. I've also seen him around Hamline lately working with their very young pitching staff.
Where do you guys think GAC will end up when all is said and done, and will there be a surprise team making a move here in the next 2 weeks?
Speaking of St. Olaf, they got swept today away at Macalester. That makes this conference season a lot more interesting. Along the same lines, Carleton swept St. Johns. After today, the top three in conf. so far are: 1. St. Thomas, 2. Macalester, 3. Carleton... ??? I don't think anyone saw that one coming. I know it's still relatively early in the conf season and I wouldn't look that far into things, but that's definitely a shake up in the conference dynamics. I think Carleton will have a rough road ahead of them as they still play St. Thomas and St Olaf. However, I don't think it's unreasonable to say Macalester has a pretty good shot at making the playoffs this year with alot of the teams hovering around .500. Nonetheless, today was pretty surprising I'd have to say.
OK, I just spend some time figuring all this out bored at work today......these are my predictions, as I see the remainder of the schedule played out......
Currently Standings
1) St. Thomas 10-2 (Games Left: Hamline, Carleton, St. Marys, GAC)
St. Thomas will win the league, they may drop 1 game in there, but they should sweep the remainder of their schedule if they play as they have been, but you never know, you can drop a game to anyone at any time in this conf. this year if ur not careful.
2) Macalaster 8-4 (Games Left: Caleton, Hamline, GAC, Bethel)
Mac needs to Murrey to pitch as much as possible for them to get in in my opinion. For them to for sure get in they are going to need to win 5 of their remaining 8 games, I'm not sure if they have the depth to get it done. They have a decent chance though as they are 8-4 after getting through Thomas and Olaf and the remaing teams have been up and down all year.
3) Carleton 6-4 (Games Left: Mac, St. Thomas, Concordia, Bethel, Olaf)
Carleton will not make the playoffs. At best they split with Macalaster, Concordia, and Bethel and get swept by Olaf and Thomas. They may finish 12-8, but that is a long shot for them and still in the past 12-8 isn't a shoe in either.
4) Hamline 7-5 (Games Left: St. Thomas, Macalester, Olaf, Johnnies)
Hamline, in my opinion, doesn't have the pitching to get them to the playoffs this year. Their pitching staff is so young, but their offense will win them some games. Prediction: Swept by Thomas, Olaf, split with Mac and St. Johns.
5) Augsburg 7-7 (Games Left: St. Johns, GAC, Concordia)
Augsburg could run the table and go to 13-7 which should guarantee them a spot in the playoffs, but GAC is still in the hunt and could take 1 or 2 from them. They could also split with every team too which would put them out of contention. They need to sweep to guarantee themselves a spot in the playoffs.
Bethel 7-7 (Games Left: Carleton, Macalaster, Concordia)
Bethel has a legitimate shot of making the playoffs for the first time since 2000. However, after starting the season out 4-1 against Thomas, Hamline, and Olaf they have been swept by Augsburg and have split with every other team also giving Mary's their first win of the season. For Bethel to for sure make playoffs they must win out, which is a great possibility since they are going to be playing Carleton, Macalaster, and Concordia, all teams that they swept last year. If they drop 1 game in there, it would be a 50:50 shot at 12-8.
Gustavus Adolphus 6-6 (Games Left: Augsburg, Olaf, Mac, and Thomas)
Gustavus will not be making the playoffs this year. At 6-6 with Thomas and Olaf left not to mention Augsburg they will be lucky to break .500 this year.
St. Olaf 4-4 (Games Left: Concordia, St. Marys, St. Johns, GAC, Hamline, and Caleton)
Olaf has a bunch of games left to play. They still have Matheson and Agnenberg (sp?) and I would hang my hat on those two bringing Olaf back to the playoffs again.
St. Johns 5-7 (Games Left: Augsburg, Olaf, Concordia, Hamline)
St. Johns has to win out to guarantee themselves a playoff spot. I don't see that happening as they still have to play Olaf and Augsburg. They lose 2 their done for sure, they lose 1 its a coin flip.
Concordia 3-5 (Games Left: Olaf, Bethel, Marys, Carleton, Johnnies, Augsburg)
I can't see Concordia making a run to get to the playoffs this year. They still have to play tough teams and they can only lose 2 games in there to guarantee themselves a playoff spot. They should get swept by Olaf, and at best split with the remaining teams in my opinion. I don't see them doing any better than that.
St. Marys 1-13 (Games Left: St. Olaf, Concordia, St. Thomas)
Congratulation to Marys for beating Bethel....that is the only game they should win all year.
My Predictions
1) St Thomas 17-3
2) St. Olaf 14-6
3) Bethel 13-7
4) Mac 13-7
5) Augsburg 12-8
6) Hamline 9-11
7) GAC 8-12
Johnnies 8-12
Concordia 8-12
Carleton 8-12
11) St. Marys 1-19
Let me know what you think. The math might not add up, I did it all in my head. There will be a fight for that 3rd and 4th playoff spot.
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on April 19, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
OK, I just spend some time figuring all this out bored at work today......these are my predictions, as I see the remainder of the schedule played out......
Currently Standings
1) St. Thomas 10-2 (Games Left: Hamline, Carleton, St. Marys, GAC)
2) Macalaster 8-4 (Games Left: Caleton, Hamline, GAC, Bethel)
3) Carleton 6-4 (Games Left: Mac, St. Thomas, Concordia, Bethel, Olaf)
4) Hamline 7-5 (Games Left: St. Thomas, Macalester, Olaf, Johnnies)
5) Augsburg 7-7 (Games Left: St. Johns, GAC, Concordia)
Augsburg could run the table and go to 13-7 which should guarantee them a spot in the playoffs, but GAC is still in
Bethel 7-7 (Games Left: Carleton, Macalaster, Concordia)
Gustavus Adolphus 6-6 (Games Left: Augsburg, Olaf, Mac, and Thomas)
St. Olaf 4-4 (Games Left: Concordia, St. Marys, St. Johns, GAC, Hamline, and Caleton)
St. Johns 5-7 (Games Left: Augsburg, Olaf, Concordia, Hamline)
Concordia 3-5 (Games Left: Olaf, Bethel, Marys, Carleton, Johnnies, Augsburg)
St. Marys 1-13 (Games Left: St. Olaf, Concordia, St. Thomas)
My Predictions
1) St Thomas 17-3
2) St. Olaf 14-6
3) Bethel 13-7
4) Mac 13-7
5) Augsburg 12-8
6) Hamline 9-11
7) GAC 8-12
Johnnies 8-12
Concordia 8-12
Carleton 8-12
11) St. Marys 1-19
Let me know what you think. The math might not add up, I did it all in my head. There will be a fight for that 3rd and 4th playoff spot.
St Olaf sure didn't do themselves a favor splitting with Concordia yesterday. Now at 5-5 they need to buckle down against the middle/bottom of the conference or risk missing out on the playoffs for the first time since its inception. I think its a very real possibility that they'll miss out; they're starting pitching has really let them down in conference, team era of 6.00 won't get it done.
I think the middle of the conference is pretty wide-open/even. Con, Car, BU, Aug, Ham, and GAC are all pretty close to one another, imo.
I won't count GAC out until the end. I didn't think they had it in them to make the playoffs last year but they proved me wrong. I hope they do it again this year.
I thought SMU had a real chance to be the first team to go 0-20 in conference but I guess they'll have to settle for a tie with the worst conf record ever.
I'm not too surprised to hear schmiessing didn't make it with the Twins. It seemed like he got drafted more on athletic ability.
Things are much closer after yesterdays games
Carleton has a good chance to win MIAC regular season if they sweep Thomas this weekend.
Loss for thomas sure didnt help them in getting a #1 seed for the regional, every game matters (even though I think CSS is in front of them anyways)
I don't think USt is too worried about Carleton sweeping them.
SMU, Con, and SJU are out of the playoff race, GAC is hanging on by a thread.
StO can't afford to get swept with their #3 and #4 pitchers like they did against MAC or they'll be in serious trouble.
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 23, 2009, 03:13:49 PM
I don't think USt is too worried about Carleton sweeping them.
SMU, Con, and SJU are out of the playoff race, GAC is hanging on by a thread.
StO can't afford to get swept with their #3 and #4 pitchers like they did against MAC or they'll be in serious trouble.
Yea they normally wouldnt worry but they just lost 9-1 to Hamline with their ace on the mound, and i think Hamline is average.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 23, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
Yea they normally wouldnt worry but they just lost 9-1 to Hamline with their ace on the mound
Ah, the box scores weren't up when I checked the HU-USt scores, didn't realize it was Schuld that took the L. I could see a split, maybe, from Carleton, but I still think a sweep would be pretty incredible.
Anybody have any thoughts on the Player/Pitcher OYs? Player is pretty wide open, if you ask me. My finalists would be:
T Osterlin (BU)
K Johnson (CON)
C Jones (StO)
D Kaczrowski (HU)
I'd say Pitcher OY would have to be Adams or Murrey, with Adams the heavy favorite.
Murrey or Adams for pitcher think it will be actually pretty close
Conference Stats
Murrey 2-1 0.43 29-0 K-B
Adams 5-1 1.63 33-5 K-B
I think Adams gets the edge simply because he start 3 more games than Murrey and won them.
Either Jones or Oesterlin for Player
Kaczrowski is no where no close to winning player of the year, he will barely make 1st team all MIAC. Very disappointing year for him in my opinion.
I agree Kacz's stats are disappointing, but he's still going to lead the conf in stolen bases, finish 2nd or 3rd in runs, and hit around .400, so I think he gets in the discussion. Plus, he was hyped in the preseason and the coaches pay attention to that.
If K Johnson had more RBIs I think he'd be the favorite, but 11 RBIs for a guy with 10 xbh in conf is pretty poor. I haven't watched any CON games, I'm assuming he just hasn't had a lot of opportunities to drive in runs. His slugging percentage is light years ahead of other people.
Yeah, i've been surprised with how little Murrey has pitched. Usually a team like MAC (or CAR, BU, HAM, etc) will ride a star pitcher, but Murrey has only started 3 of MACs 14 games (Adams has started 6 of BUs 16 games).
You left out innings pitched, which makes Murrey's Ks look more impressive!
Murrey 29k 21 ip .184 opp ba
Adams 33k 38.1 ip .200 opp ba
He will be at the top in runs and SB. But right now he is 19th in BA among guys starting ~10 games. He only has 5 RBIs kind of expected for a leadoff hitter but only 4 extra base hits and is behind a lot of guys in Slugging and OB %s. His preseason accolades may help him, but could hurt him because he was overhyped.
I just have a feeling that Johnson will win it witht those 6hrs (they need to get on base for him)
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on April 19, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
3) Carleton 6-4 (Games Left: Mac, St. Thomas, Concordia, Bethel, Olaf)
Carleton will not make the playoffs. At best they split with Macalaster, Concordia, and Bethel and get swept by Olaf and Thomas. They may finish 12-8, but that is a long shot for them and still in the past 12-8 isn't a shoe in either.
My Predictions
1) St Thomas 17-3
2) St. Olaf 14-6
3) Bethel 13-7
4) Mac 13-7
5) Augsburg 12-8
6) Hamline 9-11
7) GAC 8-12
Johnnies 8-12
Concordia 8-12
Carleton 8-12
11) St. Marys 1-19
Let me know what you think. The math might not add up, I did it all in my head. There will be a fight for that 3rd and 4th playoff spot.
I am waiting for an updated explaination on these picks.
I was at the Thomas /Carleton game. I heard the officials talking in the parking lot as they were putting their equip. for the game. They were discussing whether or not Thomas would be upset at the umpiring assgnments as the season drew closer to the end........now I get it, the umps care what Thomas thinks!!
Thomas was darn lucky to get out of there with a win.
No way Kacz should be Player of the Year with his current stats, I don't think stolen bases is enough for the title.
The Top Four is wide-open at this point.
Disappointed to see that St. Olaf and St. Scholastica DH was called off, I always look forward to games between the top teams in the region.
WOW! Tommies take down the gophers 6-3!
: University of Minnesota 04/28/2009
Boxscore
Courtesy: University of Minnesota
http://gophersports.com/
The Minnesota baseball team (27-13) dropped a 6-3 decision to St. Thomas (24-8) on Tuesday, Apr. 29 at Siebert Field.
Minnesota was led by freshman Justin Gominsky (Mahtomedi, Minn.) who reached base three times, and was 2-for-3 with a home run, two RBI and a stolen base. Freshman Sam Ryan (Lake Elmo, Minn.) also reached base three times, and was 2-for-3 with a run and a stolen base.
Senior Jon Hummel (Lakefield, Minn.) was also 1-for-2 with an RBI, while Derek McCallum (Shoreview, Minn.) reached base three times, was 1-for-3 and had a career-high two stolen bases.
Sophomore Phil Isaksson (Eau Claire, Wis.) took the loss to fall to 0-1, as he gave up four hits, three runs, one walk and two strikeouts. Allen Bechstein (Apple Valley, Minn.), Tyler Oakes (Jordan, Minn.) and Scott Fern (Eau Claire, Wis.) each pitched one shutout inning out of the bullpen for Minnesota.
The Tommies' starter Matt Schuld pitched six innings, gave up six hits, three runs, walked four and struck out five. Brady Gibbs and Brandon Stone combined for three scoreless innings out of the bullpen. Stone picked up his second save, as he retired all four hitters he faced.
St. Thomas jumped out to a 3-0 lead with three runs in the top of the first. Matt McQuillan led off the game with a double to right field, moved to third on a ground out and came home to score on an RBI double by Roy Larson to make it 1-0. Brian Schmitz was hit by a pitch and Tom Wippler singled to right field to load the bases. Taylor Rahm brought home Larson on an RBI fielder's choice groundout, and Schmitz scored on the same play on a throwing error to make it 3-0.
Minnesota got a single run back in the bottom of the second to cut it to 3-1. O'Shea was hit by a pitch to lead off the inning and Ryan reached on a single to make it first and second and no outs. Both runners moved up on a ground out by Gominsky and O'Shea scored on a ground out by Hummel to cut the Tommies lead to 3-1.
St. Thomas added a single run in the top of the third to take a 4-1 lead. Larson led off the inning with a walk, Leslie singled to make it first and second and Wippler moved both up with a sacrifice bunt. Rahm reached on an error by the third baseman to plate Larson to put St. Thomas ahead 4-1.
Minnesota scored a pair of runs in the bottom of the fourth to cut the lead to 4-3. Ryan got things started with a one-out single, and Gominsky followed with a two-run homer to cut it to a one-run lead.
The Tommies moved their lead to 5-3 on an RBI single by Larson in the top of the sixth inning. St. Thomas tacked on a run in the top of the eighth in an inning that was aided by two Gopher errors.
Minnesota entered tonight's game with a .975 fielding percentage, but committed a season-high five errors on the night. St. Thomas did not make an error on the night.
The Tommies were led by Larson who was 2-for-4 with two runs, two RBI and a double. McQuillan reached base three times, and was 2-for-3 with two runs on the night. Schmitz and Wippler also had multi-hit games for Tommies, while Rahm knocked in a pair of runs.
Minnesota will be back in action on Friday, May 1 at 6:35 p.m. when it faces Iowa at Siebert Field. The Golden Gophers and Hawkeyes will also play games on Saturday, May 2 at 2:05 p.m. and Sunday, May 3 at 1:05 p.m. The final two games can be heard on KLBB (1220 AM).
Quote from: TommieFan2012 on April 29, 2009, 12:01:18 AM
WOW! Tommies take down the gophers 6-3!
WOW!! St. Mary's take down Tommies 5-4.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2009, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: TommieFan2012 on April 29, 2009, 12:01:18 AM
WOW! Tommies take down the gophers 6-3!
WOW!! St. Mary's take down Tommies 5-4.
Emotional let down after last night?
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 29, 2009, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2009, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: TommieFan2012 on April 29, 2009, 12:01:18 AM
WOW! Tommies take down the gophers 6-3!
WOW!! St. Mary's take down Tommies 5-4.
Emotional let down after last night?
or maybe they should of used their ace Schuld for games that matter instead of taking down the gophs
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 30, 2009, 08:57:09 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 29, 2009, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2009, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: TommieFan2012 on April 29, 2009, 12:01:18 AM
WOW! Tommies take down the gophers 6-3!
WOW!! St. Mary's take down Tommies 5-4.
Emotional let down after last night?
or maybe they should of used their ace Schuld for games that matter instead of taking down the gophs
UST used its top 3 against Minnesota.
If the Oles take care of business against Hamline, there will be a nice tie atop the MIAC going into the final weekend.
Two questions though?
1) Who holds the tie-breaker between St. Thomas & St. Olaf?
2) Does Denning bounce those three guys that faced the Gophers on 4 days to face Gustavus or hold them for Sunday at St. Scholastica?
A few guys have chances to break some MIAC single season records this year:
HRs- K Johnson needs 2 hr in 4 games to break the record of 10 (5 way tie)
2Bs- Pierce needs 3 2bs in 2 games to break the record of 13 (3 way tie)
Runs- C Jones needs 8 runs in 4 games to break the record of 33 (Sprout, StO, 2000)
Hits- T Oesterlin needs 10 hits in 4 games to break the record of 39 (Sherer, GAC, 2004)
BA- Erik Nelson is hitting .568 with 4 games to go, .596 is the record (Dold, SJU, 1993)
--Does anyone know why this Erik Nelson kid has only started 11 of StOs 16 games?--
None of the pitching or team records are in jeopardy of falling.
Hamline leads Olaf 4-0 after two innings
Quote from: OshDude on April 30, 2009, 09:46:20 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 30, 2009, 08:57:09 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 29, 2009, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2009, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: TommieFan2012 on April 29, 2009, 12:01:18 AM
WOW! Tommies take down the gophers 6-3!
WOW!! St. Mary's take down Tommies 5-4.
Emotional let down after last night?
or maybe they should of used their ace Schuld for games that matter instead of taking down the gophs
UST used its top 3 against Minnesota.
I would say top 1 and 2 of their next 5 and those 2 pitched less than 2 innings...still surprised though that they used their top pither and a couple other top guys. At least the other 2 can bounce back on the weekend but Schuld cant pitch against the MIAC teams. So makes me wonder if Denning wanted Schuld to pitch against CSS on sunday
Quote from: TheSportsFan on April 30, 2009, 04:13:14 PM
Hamline leads Olaf 4-0 after two innings
Looks like Olaf lost 5-2. Anyone have an update?
*Yawn*... is the MIAC still even playing baseball...?
There must not be any carleton baseball fans checking this board. first playoff appearance and not a mention?
They didn't get the memo that there is a board.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 07, 2009, 03:01:08 PM
There must not be any carleton baseball fans checking this board. first playoff appearance and not a mention?
You have to have fans first i suppose
Maybe they are too embarrassed that they just split a series with UofMN-Morris, a lowly member of the UMAC.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 07, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
They didn't get the memo that there is a board.
by the looks of the action on this board it looks like no one got the memo
Quote from: dukes on May 07, 2009, 05:34:57 PM
Maybe they are too embarrassed that they just split a series with UofMN-Morris, a lowly member of the UMAC.
looks to me like they saved their pitching for games that mattered
Honestly, that is not much of an excuse against UM-Morris. But thats fine, think what you want, I would want an excuse too... ;D
SOC has opened a big ol' can on UST, leading 10-0 after 2 1/2.
Olaf won 19-2 and Olaf now leads St. Thomas 4-0 in the Top of the 2nd inning of game 2
Impressive wins by Olaf 19-2 and 8-0..........in my opinion that puts them in the #2 hole in the Midwest while St. Thomas slides down to #3.
The Oles had everything working today against the Tommies. 37 hits, only 2 errors and 2 complete pitching performances. St. Thomas had no answer. Seedings will be interesting.
MIAC gets #1 and #2 seeds, interesting.
I'm astounded StO won those two games yesterday by such wide margins. Pretty incredible.
Point should be the #1 seed. The committee must consist of all blind people.
How many different forums are you going to whine on? If they're the best team in the regional they should have no problem and coast to Appleton regardless of their regional seeding.
Looks like he decided to take his ball and go home.
All-conference finally up: http://miac-online.org/News/baseball/2009/5/13/bsbawards09.asp?path=baseball
Pitcher of year: Adams, Bethel
Player of year: Johnson, Concordia
AUG: 2
BU: 3
CAR: 4
CORD: 2
GAC: 1
HAM: 2
MAC: 3
SJU: 0 ???
SMU: 1
STO: 5
UST: 4
Thoughts?
I think all the awards were no brainers.
Adams was up there with Wins, ERA, and Ks.
Johnson tied the HR record and had an incredible OPS.
Freshman of Year Erik Nelson almost set a new batting avg record.
Coach of Year led perennial doormat Carleton to the playoffs.
UST--- 2009 NATIONAL BASEBALL CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Kaczrowski was drafted yesterday. I assume he'll be leaving the Saints and going to the Diamondbacks organization, who drafted him 786th overall.
St Olaf grad Todd Mathison recently signed with the St. Paul Saints on July 24th, joining Schmiesing and Ruud on the roster, as well as Foster from hamline and Moriarty from Scholastica.
Congrats to Dennis Denning, who announced his retirement today. I can honestly say that in all my time around the MIAC, there has not been a more savvy baseball mind.
It's time to get some baseball talk going for 2010!
Who will be the MIAC champs this year? who will go to the playoffs, and why do you think so?
Any players to watch who are under the screen now?
Quote from: whozonfirst on February 10, 2010, 08:57:52 PM
It's time to get some baseball talk going for 2010!
Who will be the MIAC champs this year? who will go to the playoffs, and why do you think so?
Any players to watch who are under the screen now?
It's going to be hard to bet against the Tommies. Almost everyone back, a proven core of playoff competitors, one of the best pitchers in the country, a sound defensive squad that always finds a way to win the big games... I'd for them to win the MIAC and be a top contender for another World Series apperance. No real surprises there I guess.
There is little to no doubt that the Tommies and Oles will be back in the playoffs again this year. Who do you guys see as the other playoff teams? Does Carleton get in again? MAC on the arm of Murrey? Hamline with no Kaz? Augsburg and Henry perhaps? Bethel returns its entire line-up but loses Adams. Concordia lost MVP Johnson. Needless to say it should be a pretty interesting battle for the playoffs.... just like it always is.
The Tommies are not going to the World Series again this year because they are going to get blown out by UW-Stevens Point this year in the Whitewater regional. Hey why don't you guys check out the WIAC board. That will explain why Point is the best. HINT: Point has 2 extremely good transfers playing in 2010 and they have a ton of seniors. CHECK IT OUT.
Quote from: baseballfreak32 on February 17, 2010, 08:38:45 PM
The Tommies are not going to the World Series again this year because they are going to get blown out by UW-Stevens Point this year in the Whitewater regional. Hey why don't you guys check out the WIAC board. That will explain why Point is the best. HINT: Point has 2 extremely good transfers playing in 2010 and they have a ton of seniors. CHECK IT OUT.
I placed both teams in my pre-season top 5 based on who was returning and who I had found out was transferring. Should make for an interesting in-region battle. That is to say if Point can battle through the brutal WIAC schedule.
Quote from: jmbaseball06 on February 17, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
There is little to no doubt that the Tommies and Oles will be back in the playoffs again this year. Who do you guys see as the other playoff teams? Does Carleton get in again? MAC on the arm of Murrey? Hamline with no Kaz? Augsburg and Henry perhaps? Bethel returns its entire line-up but loses Adams. Concordia lost MVP Johnson. Needless to say it should be a pretty interesting battle for the playoffs.... just like it always is.
I'll take Mac and Bethel.
Does anyone know then the MIAC preview is supposed to be released?
I'll take the Tommies again even with Denning retiring. You can't ever count out St. Olaf either, they always seem to put it together with what they have and they are usually built around strong pitching with hitters that can get the job done. Mac with Murray returning could poise a very strong season as long as they can keep putting moon shots out of their park....side note: What idiot decided to build a stadium looking like that, was it all on a budget? Bethel could be good this year, they are always a team with high hopes that seems to fall short. With Adams leaving that leaves a strong void to fill, who knows if they got what it takes. They have a very good sophmore catcher in J Slick who is by far the best player they have and possibly the best in the MIAC. Carleton was a fluke last year, St. Mary's will still be bad, you never know about Concordia or GAC especially under Carroll. I always like Hamline and Verdugo and what can you really say about Augsburg?
Pitcher of the Year: Murray (sp?)
Player of the Year: Jay Slick
Coach of they Year: New St. Thomas Coach
MIAC Champions: St. Thomas
I think this has the potential to be one of the more competitive seasons in the MIAC we've seen in awhile. It seems like several of the "middling" teams are returning a significant amount of players from their teams from last year, which could mean trouble for the typical powerhouses up top (UST, StO). I'll take a stab at a write-up, but honestly... I'm not quite certain with the amount of talent returning on most teams.
1. St. Thomas-- Probably the only easy pick here. Their pitching staff this year is going to be ridiculous. After having one of the best pitchers in the country in Schuld, they still have 4 or 5 legitimately good hurlers who would probably be a top 2 starter at any program in the conference. Their hitting will be very solid with Larson, Wippler, Olson and McQuillan; but their pitching will definitely be the highlight of this team. Good chance we see this team back at the Series again this year. I'm reaaally looking forward to seeing this team on the field; it's not everyday that you get a World Series team return this much.
2. St. Olaf-- I like the Oles returning lineup this year, especially with the Jones' brothers and Nelson up top. Not quite sure they have the pitching to make a run into the NCAA playoffs. Agneberg is a very good #1, and Hughes could have a big year with his good stuff. Well coached team that always plays hard and is always in the hunt for a MIAC crown. Don't really see them posing a threat to UST though this year, but as always St. Olaf could put together a very legitimate season and make a run like they always manage to do.
3. Augsburg-- The middle of their lineup could potentially be one of the best in the MIAC with Blunt, Pierce and Henry. Still waiting on Henry to have a bigger breakout season, but they'll have a lot of support from their offense this year, which will be necessary considering their pitching staff is pretty average. Ozga has great stuff and got pretty unlucky with results last year, and like Henry, I'm still waiting on Weber to show the stuff he had freshman year and then some. They'll definitely have to be on their game to outcompete teams 4 through 9 this year, as the discrepancy is talent in paper thin this year across the board.
4. Macalester-- Not quite sure how I feel about this one yet. They won't be surprising teams this year like they did last year (sweeping Bethel, Oles, Cord.) They aren't losing anyone in their lineup from last year, but need to get some production outside of their top 5. Wilson-Traismen is a probably the best offensive shortstop in the conference, and I expect they'll get a bit more production from the several freshmen they started last year. They have arguably the best pitcher in the region (Schuld being a very close second) with Murray, but after that the rest of their rotation will need to step up; typically having the weakest staff in the MIAC. But if their bats gel like they could and Murray gets the ball every 4 days, I think they are a lock for the playoffs.
5. Bethel--- On the outside looking in as of now. Their hitting with Oesterlin, Churchill, and Slick heading it could be nasty. After watching him in several DHs last year, I'm convinced Slick will be one of the best offensive players conference has seen in awhile. The only problem for Bethel is that their pitching staff projects to be pretty bad this year. They return McCracken, who has shown himself to be a reliable pitcher... but after that it's slim pickins. Bethel's going to have trouble if they can't find ways to outscore teams this year.
6. Carleton--- While I don't expect Carleton to compete for the MIAC playoffs as they did last year; they are definitely not the doormat of the MIAC as they'd been in the past. They lose Melson and Guevin, which who will be hard to replace, but they still have several very quality players in Fujisawa, Wirta and Troyanski who I expect to have pretty big impacts this year. I'm not entirely counting them out, but they'd need to play pretty flawless against teams like Bethel, MAC, Aug, and StO (who have better talent) if they expect to make a return trip to Dundas this year.
7. Hamline--- Very young team who I think will have trouble keeping up in close games this year with the teams above them. Based on the simple fact that they don't really have a heap of talent in their lineup (solid hitters, but no big names like Kaczrowski or Bennett anymore), combined with a young pitching staff; I don't think they'll pose much of a threat. They do have several talented players, namely Mullendore who had a great year last year. Well coached, but not sure they have the firepower.
8. Concordia--- Concordia may very well be better than I am listing them; however, considering the players they had in the middle of their lineup last year and finishing 8-12 still in conf., I don't see things getting better. Losing Schumacher for their pitching staff (despite not having a good year last year) will be significant, as will Johnson from their lineup. They still return 3 hitters than put out some very good numbers, but I have a sneaking suspicion those might have been inflated a bit by having one of the best power hitters in college baseball hitting around them.
9. St. John's--- Similar to Concordia in that they very well could sneak ahead of few of the teams listed before them. Can they make the playoffs? Most likely not. Can they ruin another team's chances at making the places? Certainly. They have a couple bright spots in their lineup, but outside of 1-4, nothing is proven. Their pitching also showed some bright spots, but experience and depth are also in question there as well.
10. Gustavus--- Simply put, they don't have the talent they've had the past 3-4 years that will let them move up in conf. this year. Their pitching has always been their weakness, and not having a solid offense as they've had in years past hampers them quite a bit. They could prove me wrong, but I think rebuilding might be the name of the game in St. Peter this year.
11. St. Mary's--- Someone has to take this spot, and while SMU is here almost every year, they (like Carleton) are not the doormat they once were as well. They had a lot of contributions from underclassmen last year, especially within their pitching staff, so I expect the experience of last year might toughen them in that regard a bit. Olberding is one of the better hitters in the MIAC, but we'll have to see what kinda production pops up around him.
Lemme know what ya think. Pretty rough right now, might have to catch some dome games the next couple weeks and make some adjustments to my picks, but this is what I got for now.
Great preview of the MIAC. I agree that after the Big Two, it is mostly a crapshoot with teams falling possibly anywhere within 4-5 spots of where they are predicted to.
Should make for a great race to the finish.
Love it! Can't wait to start taking in games this week.
Is there a website that lists the schedule for the Metrodome? I'd love to see the daily line-up of games to maybe catch one here and there when I get a chance.
Any ideas?
Check this out for some info. Not a great layout, but the info is there. Hope this helps!
http://www.msfc.com/events.cfm
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on February 22, 2010, 10:45:16 PM
Love it! Can't wait to start taking in games this week.
did you get out to any games... what have you seen thus far that is interesting?
MIAC 8-0 so far this season, pretty good start.
I've only gotten to see the St. Olaf and Bethel DHs.
-- Hughes looked really good in the first game for the Oles; look for him to have a much better year this time around
-- Bethel took care of business; nothing really special about them though from what I saw. Slick can hit, but we all knew that. Their pitching looks pretty average, which is also what I expected.
-- Wish I could have seen the St. John's game. From what I've heard and saw from the box score, they're going to be a pretty tough team this year, especially adding a pretty good recruiting class.
-- Mac handled Wartburg pretty easily it seemed. Murrey throws complete game with 9k's, seems odd burning him in a complete game this early non-conf, but wins are wins I guess. On box scores, they look pretty good beating a team with ranking votes.
Look for a playoff scramble at the end, other than St. Thomas who else looks like they can lock a playoff spot early. Mac looks like they'll at least win 1 game a series and Olaf's youth may cost them a few it shouldn't lose. Ready for another fine MIAC season.
Nice split to open the season for the Augies, respectable on the mound for game one, surprised on the lack of offense though.
Concordia swept Elmhurst late last night. 6-3 and 2-0. Concordia plays Edgewood tonight at 10:00. EC has live stats: http://www.sidearmstats.com/edgewood/baseball/
Good Luck to the Tommies as they start their title defense today; especially good luck to O-dog. Great guy, great coach, great baseball mind, and in my opinion, has been doing much more head coaching than outsiders give him credit for over his stint as pitching coach.
Wanna know how to lose credibility as an announcer? Claim that a 380 ft shot to center would be gone at St. Thomas, where the wall is 475.
Quote from: tommiegun on March 07, 2010, 07:57:41 PM
Wanna know how to lose credibility as an announcer? Claim that a 380 ft shot to center would be gone at St. Thomas, where the wall is 475.
What idiot announcer made that claim?
Quote from: biggio34 on March 08, 2010, 09:02:19 AM
What idiot announcer made that claim?
I don't know his name, but whoever the color commentator is for St. Scholastica's webcast. I was watching with a few alumni; we all laughed.
I've heard that guy in the past, its actually enjoyable when CSS plays the MIAC squads to get some radio coverage no matter how ridiculous most of the stuff spewed from his mic is. I actually got to listen to the Hamline game online and there were times where there had to be 2-3 batters go by while he rambled on, but for a d3 program guy he's pretty solid. So you know, from seeing him in the booth at the dome, he exactly what you think he looks like!
Too bad Schuld had to stick around in that game last night would have made going to the Gopher vs St. Thomas game much more exciting!
I agree, I still think I want to take in that game anyways. I think St. Thomas should handle the UofM's sorry excuse for a program. Why can't they get the best players in the state to stick around?
Maybe because they are tired of all the coaches kids and the coaches best buddies kids getting to play.
The UofM has not recruited a Minneapolis Public School kid in forever and there have been some decent ball players.
Sad...
ya who are the kids on the team like that?
1) Oakes.... decent pitcher though.
2) I know that Terry Ryan's kid was
3) Who else?
It's not just the coaches kids. It's just way too political in general. Take kids from big schools or whose parents can donate to the program over kids who are far more talented. It's pretty close to being as pathetic as the Gopher hockey program.
Should we turn this into a "Let's Rip the Gophers" board?
So true, nobody has any good MIAC dirt to dish. It'll be great when we get to some conference action to see who finishes 2,3,4 behind the Tommies of course ;)
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 10, 2010, 11:33:18 AM
So true, nobody has any good MIAC dirt to dish. It'll be great when we get to some conference action to see who finishes 2,3,4 behind the Tommies of course ;)
Whats up with Agneberg for the Oles. I thought he was going to be their #1, but after a rough first start he hasn't thrown much. Only 2 innings yesterday against Point. Have that many other guys passed him by?
There's no way he's not the #1. He's too good not to be, but interesting the amount he's thrown. They may be limiting him going into the florida trip, he has had a problem bouncing back in the past.
Agneberg isn't necessarily the number one there. Isn't Erik Olson still there? I would have Olson at one and Agneberg at two... but I agree that it is surprising that he has pitched so little, especially in a big series with UWSP.
Who cares about the Oles....How are we not on the Murrey getting drafted bandwagon? That guy is lights out, throws high 80's with just dirty off speed. He's pitcher of the year no doubt!
Who would round out the best at their positions for the MIAC?
Pitcher
Catcher
1b
2b
3b
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coach
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on March 10, 2010, 03:35:30 PM
Who cares about the Oles....How are we not on the Murrey getting drafted bandwagon? That guy is lights out, throws high 80's with just dirty off speed. He's pitcher of the year no doubt!
I fell off the Murrey getting drafted bandwagon when he gave up 5 hits and 2 runs to UWS.
Quote from: Iluvd3BBALL on March 10, 2010, 03:35:30 PM
Who cares about the Oles....How are we not on the Murrey getting drafted bandwagon? That guy is lights out, throws high 80's with just dirty off speed. He's pitcher of the year no doubt!
Who would round out the best at their positions for the MIAC?
Pitcher
Catcher
1b
2b
3b
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coach
Seeing him pitch the other day in relief no less was less than inpressive, happened to be sitting by 3 different scouts. The highest they had him on the gun was 84, lets say they weren't drooling. As far as pitcher of the year, when did Schuld transfer out of the MIAC, I swear he's still at St. Thomas.
Well, considering seeing he was sitting 90-91 first 4 innings of the Wartburg DH, I find it hard to believe he was at max 84 in relief for 3 innings of the UWS series. I think the problem is maybe that pitching him a long 7 innings for a complete game the first series of the year was just dumb to say the least. There's no reason he should be in relief the second series with that amount of rest unless his arm was bothering him, which could very well be the case. That being said, it's early in the season and I wouldn't read into it too much. I think the prospects of having 2 pitchers (Schuld and Murray) getting drafted this year are pretty bright. We'll have to see how the season goes, but those two pitchers are the best this region has to offer this year from what I've seen over the past couple years.
I am really looking forward to Schuld facing Carthage on March 20th at the Dome.
Very likely he wasn't on enough rest, because he's looked great and upper 80's in the past but on Monday it wasn't there. He will definitley get his looks though. And the guy from the Reds was disappointed. I think they trotted him out there to get him looked at because he certainly shouldn't have been needed against UWS.
Schuld is really solid and featuring for a change a little variety in his pitching. He threw more breaking balls the other night against St. Scholastica than I have ever seen him throw in a season. I'm betting the scouts are pushing to see if he has a second and third pitch, he has gotten away with being pinpoint on his fastball, but now he needs to show a little more for the scouts.
Surprised there hasnt been a lot of chatter about the Oles splitting with Point considering how highly people think about Point this year. Nice split for the Oles
It's early but I agree with you about it being a huge split for St. Olaf. Following Point for as long as I have which is many years it's very typical for the hype to be high and they generally start slow. Come mid season they start to hit their peak and roll through the WIAC tournament. The key for Point truly is pitching this year. They can put up 15-20 runs in a game very easily but can also face some nobody and get shutout. It seems they come to play when they face better pitchers at least that's what I've noticed in the past. They rocked Dott from Whitewater at the WIAC tourney last year and scored enough off Schuld at Regionals to win but had a few key errors that cost them a shot at the series.
You know why I'm not hyped on the Oles right now.....It's because they're probably a lock for the 2 or 3 slot and everybody knows it. St. Thomas will roll this year and it will be the same as every year with St. Olaf falling in then the 3/4 slots will go to the 12-8 team. Good split for them though, It's always fun to beat a WIAC school.
Did anyone see the Tommies v Gophers? Looks like it was a good game. Thoughts?
Quote from: biggio34 on March 11, 2010, 10:20:04 AM
Did anyone see the Tommies v Gophers? Looks like it was a good game. Thoughts?
Yes, it was a good game. UST should have won (seriously)...had the game 4-3 in regualtion, but a defensive laspe ini bottom of 9th allowed Goophies to tie it and force extras.
Pretty solid split for Macalester today it looks like according to the Johns Hopkins press release on D3 site
http://d3baseball.com/pressreleases/Johns+Hopkins/2010/03/13/Hopkins-and-Macalester-Split-Doubleheader/5342
4-0 loss and 1-0 win against a traditionally powerhouse team thats been blasting teams away to start the year. 18 K's for Murray in G2 in 8 innings is pretty ridiculous. How sure are we that Schuld is runaway pitcher of the year again?
Hameline got a win!!
Anybody have a Tommies score from today?
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 26, 2010, 05:28:05 PM
Anybody have a Tommies score from today?
No. But according to the Bowdoin website, they swept St. Olaf today 3-2 and 8-3.
Not a good sign for the Oles considering Steven Point just rolled that squad the other day 14-2! Oles may not be as deep on the mound as expected.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 26, 2010, 05:38:19 PM
Not a good sign for the Oles considering Steven Point just rolled that squad the other day 14-2! Oles may not be as deep on the mound as expected.
Who expected that?
Quote from: OshDude on March 27, 2010, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 26, 2010, 05:38:19 PM
Not a good sign for the Oles considering Steven Point just rolled that squad the other day 14-2! Oles may not be as deep on the mound as expected.
Who expected that?
Not I... considering they've only thrown 4 pitchers through 8 games is pretty telling.
I'll give my abbreviated outlook for the conference season now, but I'll do some more in-depth capsules once all the teams have finished their spring trips.
1. St. Thomas- Cream of the crop, beating good teams without much offense bodes well for them at this stage. Schuld is a horse.
2. Macalester- Pitching has been key so far and Murray continues to dominate every team he faces.
3. St. Olaf- Beat UWSP (nice), got swept by Bowdoin (not nice)... We'll see how things go after their spring trip though.
4. Bethel- Played a pretty pathetic spring trip schedule so any results might be misleading. Still like their hitting though.
5. Augsburg- Tough spring trip with 12 games in 6 days. Hitting will be good, expect Blunt to boost his .148 average at some point ;D
6. Concordia- Looks like they can run; pitching has been solid so far. Don't know much else about them so far.
7. St. John's- Very tough schedule; but they haven't really beaten any teams of significance. Pitching has been overwhelmed by good hitting teams. Butorac can rake.
8. Gustavus- Not going to be worse than the teams below, so kind of default for them now being here.
9. Hamline- 4 wins against very poor teams. Pitching isn't there (should be better though) and hitting is below average.
10. St. Mary's- Playing some good teams close so far. Their pitching looks to be much improved this year, but their hitting looks pretty bad. They might surprise teams this year.
11. Carleton- Welcome back to the cellar. Playing a tough schedule is nice, but getting rocked isn't. Their pitching won't cut it in the MIAC, even though Wirta is actually a pretty decent pitcher. He's pitched 1.2 IP so far, so that's not looking good.
Does anyone know why St. Thomas put together such a cupcake Spring Break trip?
Lawrence (1-8)
Chicago (4-5)
Grinnel (6-6)
Edgewood (6-2) Looks to be a good team.
SUNY-Purchase (7-4) Looks to play only UMAC quality teams.
Quote from: tommiegun on March 28, 2010, 01:41:06 PM
Does anyone know why St. Thomas put together such a cupcake Spring Break trip?
Lawrence (1-8)
Chicago (4-5)
Grinnel (6-6)
Edgewood (6-2) Looks to be a good team.
SUNY-Purchase (7-4) Looks to play only UMAC quality teams.
Teams have very little say in their spring trip opponents. You sign up for a tournament and you take who the tournament gives you. Also, being that their spring break is so late, there's not many teams to choose from down there.
That makes sense I suppose. I recall a few years ago it seemed like they played only ranked teams; Oshkosh, Salsbury, Amherst, etc.
While Carleton is not as strong as last year, the team is better than you would think from the scores - perhaps should have played only five or six days instead of seven in Arizona. It was good for the hitters to face good pitching and to have lots of innings to work on fielding/defense , but not good for pitchers stats. With so many innings to play in a short time they had to stretch arms to go longer in these games. Starting pitchers looked good through 5 or 6 innings, but were just left in one inning too long or were pitching on too little rest. They will bounce back in MIAC.
Quote from: whozonfirst on March 28, 2010, 05:10:10 PM
While Carleton is not as strong as last year, the team is better than you would think from the scores - perhaps should have played only five or six days instead of seven in Arizona. It was good for the hitters to face good pitching and to have lots of innings to work on fielding/defense , but not good for pitchers stats. With so many innings to play in a short time they had to stretch arms to go longer in these games. Starting pitchers looked good through 5 or 6 innings, but were just left in one inning too long or were pitching on too little rest. They will bounce back in MIAC.
Maybe, we'll see. Their pitching has been absolutely horrendous so far though; and most other MIAC teams have gone through the same strenuous schedule over their spring break trips without the sort of numbers CAR has been showing.
On a different note, what is going on with St. Olaf???? Getting swept by Bowdoin, losing to Colby (a pretty bad team), and then Chicago (an even worse team that St. Thomas clobbered in a DH while tossing 2 new pitchers). The only "bright spot" of their trip so far has been the 16k strikeout performance by Hughes today. Even there is something fishy about that when you check out the box score:
http://www.stolaf.edu/athletics/baseball/media/2009-10/box/sto-ec1.htm
Why in the world is Hughes throwing a 9 IP CG, giving up 4 runs, 12 hits and a bunch of K's this early in the year in a blowout? If you use a pitch count estimator, the box score puts him roughly at 170-175. WHAT?!
When it comes to Florida schedules, you're very limited in choosing your schedule. You have to matchup with who's there at the time so it really depends on who's spring break matches up with yours. It's a good chance for the Tommies to get all these young arms in the mix and see what they can do. So far so good.
Is it too early to say that the Oles staff is abyzmal? Outside of Hughes and Dzurak, the rest of that staff is in trouble. Agneberg may be feeling the effect of last years use. Anybody have an idea if he's hurt, it's the only thing that makes sense.
Hooray! The Oles are .500 again!
"St. Thomas won all eight NCAA games in Florida to improve its season record to 13-1. During the trip, the Tommies outscored opponents 88-18, outhit them 110-46 and batted near .340 over 64 innings. St. Thomas pitchers allowed only 13 earned runs and the defense had only 11 errors."
A great week, but this is a little disconcerting.
Is Augsburg for real or do they just put it together for a game or two at a time. Anytime you beat Murray you've done something right!
Scores from today - at UST:
SJU 2 - UST 1
UST 3 - SJU 2
Congrats to CCM's Bucky Burgau for earning his 600th win today.
Based on what we see right now, I'm going to throw out the first MIAC tourny predictions:
1) St. Thomas
2) St. Johns (yes, I know they got swept by Conc)
3) Conc. Moor
4) Augsburg
Not liking the schedule for the Oles, but I still give them a shot to sneak in.
My first stab, espn.com "Bubble Watch" style:
Locks: St. Thomas
Should be In: Concordia, St. John's
Work Left to Do: St. Olaf, Augsburg
Outside Looking In: Hamline, Macalester, Carleton
Fuggedaboutit: St. Mary's, Gustavus, Bethel
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 13, 2010, 11:32:55 AM
Based on what we see right now, I'm going to throw out the first MIAC tourny predictions:
1) St. Thomas
2) St. Johns (yes, I know they got swept by Conc)
3) Conc. Moor
4) Augsburg
Not liking the schedule for the Oles, but I still give them a shot to sneak in.
According to the email I received from SJU, they split with the Cobbers.
The Cobbers and Johnnies are looking very good early on. The Johnnies big recruiting class is really showing its strength along with its veterans. They aren't a team that will wow people will big talent, but they are very solid. I would put them, Concordia and USt in the playoffs now if I had to decide who was in. The fourth could really go to anyone, it's a complete crapshoot at this point. Although I'm somewhat surprised by the success Concordia is having, given they graduated some pretty good players, they really are playing well. Some good seasons being produced by several of their plays already.
ON A SIDE NOTE: I got to see the pitching matchup of the year today in the DH between USt and Mac. I linked the box score and am waiting on the Tommie SID to release his full recap of the game.
http://athletics.macalester.edu/custompages/baseball_statistics/stats10/0413-st1.htm
Mac- 5
USt- 2
Murrey and Schuld both throw complete games and the game was played very cleanly on both sides. Schuld was pretty pinpoint on his control early on like usual, but just didn't really have anything in terms of offspeed. His change up looked good for the most part, but he got behind in counts alot and the Macalaster hitters did well putting the ball in play in their big inning. Overall, I wasn't really impressed though and have seen him pitch much better than this on numerous occasions.
Murrey had several instances where he got behind in counts early in the game, but worked through them and cruised through the middle and late innings before giving up a couple runs in the last frame. In terms of stuff, his is simply better than Schuld's. Fastball looked harder (doesn't spot it nearly as well though), breaking pitches were a league above Schuld's... Change-up wise not really sure if he threw any to be honest. If he did, they didn't seem particularly effective. Overall, he was simply the better pitcher today. However, there's no doubt in my mind that these two are the best in the region especially considering how "down" the WIAC pitching seems to be compared to years past.
Quote from: supermiac on April 13, 2010, 09:34:48 PM
The Cobbers and Johnnies are looking very good early on. The Johnnies big recruiting class is really showing its strength along with its veterans. They aren't a team that will wow people will big talent, but they are very solid. I would put them, Concordia and USt in the playoffs now if I had to decide who was in. The fourth could really go to anyone, it's a complete crapshoot at this point. Although I'm somewhat surprised by the success Concordia is having, given they graduated some pretty good players, they really are playing well. Some good seasons being produced by several of their plays already.
ON A SIDE NOTE: I got to see the pitching matchup of the year today in the DH between USt and Mac. I linked the box score and am waiting on the Tommie SID to release his full recap of the game.
http://athletics.macalester.edu/custompages/baseball_statistics/stats10/0413-st1.htm
Mac- 5
USt- 2
Murrey and Schuld both throw complete games and the game was played very cleanly on both sides. Schuld was pretty pinpoint on his control early on like usual, but just didn't really have anything in terms of offspeed. His change up looked good for the most part, but he got behind in counts alot and the Macalaster hitters did well putting the ball in play in their big inning. Overall, I wasn't really impressed though and have seen him pitch much better than this on numerous occasions.
Murrey had several instances where he got behind in counts early in the game, but worked through them and cruised through the middle and late innings before giving up a couple runs in the last frame. In terms of stuff, his is simply better than Schuld's. Fastball looked harder (doesn't spot it nearly as well though), breaking pitches were a league above Schuld's... Change-up wise not really sure if he threw any to be honest. If he did, they didn't seem particularly effective. Overall, he was simply the better pitcher today. However, there's no doubt in my mind that these two are the best in the region especially considering how "down" the WIAC pitching seems to be compared to years past.
Agreed that the MIAC has the top two starters this year. I think that was the consensus heading into the year, with Salazar somewhere in the top three.
The WIAC has its aces (Williams-UWSP, Hooper-UWW, Wink-UW-Sup). I have not seen the BLC transfers and Dorris this year, but they could be in the "so-far" top five SP's in the MW Region conversation with Salazar from Aurora, Adams and Lewis from CSS, Jusk from CUC, Pankow from CUW and Chepil from Lakeland.
This is just getting ridiculous, Schuld gives the Tommies a chance to win and the middle infield kicks 4. Last time I checked Parade Stadium isn't a gravel infield. This is a program built on pitching and defense and when the starting middle infielders have 19 errors on the season, ITS A PROBLEM. Especially when 10 of the 26 games have been on turf. Get it together!
This conference race is shaping up to be an exciting finish...
School MIAC Overall
Concordia 7-3 16-11
St. Olaf 7-3 16-12
St. Thomas 8-4 21-5
Saint John's 8-4 15-14
Augsburg 7-5 14-16
Hamline 5-5 11-18
Carleton 5-7 9-20
Gustavus 4-6 12-14
Saint Mary's 4-8 11-20
Macalester 3-7-0 16-12-1
Bethel 2-8 14-14
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 21, 2010, 11:51:47 PM
This is just getting ridiculous, Schuld gives the Tommies a chance to win and the middle infield kicks 4. Last time I checked Parade Stadium isn't a gravel infield. This is a program built on pitching and defense and when the starting middle infielders have 19 errors on the season, ITS A PROBLEM. Especially when 10 of the 26 games have been on turf. Get it together!
Quote from: tommiegun on April 02, 2010, 10:44:41 AM
"St. Thomas won all eight NCAA games in Florida to improve its season record to 13-1. During the trip, the Tommies outscored opponents 88-18, outhit them 110-46 and batted near .340 over 64 innings. St. Thomas pitchers allowed only 13 earned runs and the defense had only 11 errors."
A great week, but this is a little disconcerting.
I can't help but feel like a bit of a prophet right now.
Quote from: tommiegun on April 22, 2010, 05:50:23 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 21, 2010, 11:51:47 PM
This is just getting ridiculous, Schuld gives the Tommies a chance to win and the middle infield kicks 4. Last time I checked Parade Stadium isn't a gravel infield. This is a program built on pitching and defense and when the starting middle infielders have 19 errors on the season, ITS A PROBLEM. Especially when 10 of the 26 games have been on turf. Get it together!
Quote from: tommiegun on April 02, 2010, 10:44:41 AM
"St. Thomas won all eight NCAA games in Florida to improve its season record to 13-1. During the trip, the Tommies outscored opponents 88-18, outhit them 110-46 and batted near .340 over 64 innings. St. Thomas pitchers allowed only 13 earned runs and the defense had only 11 errors."
A great week, but this is a little disconcerting.
I can't help but feel like a bit of a prophet right now.
Use your prophetic ways to predict the 4 teams that are going to make the MIAC tourney. My picks are...
St. Thomas
St. Olaf
St. Johns
Augsburg
I still think that St. Thomas will end up winning the league (although I am the first to admit I have decidedly purple tinted spectacles). They are the most talented and experienced team and at some point they are gonna realize this ain't no intramural kick ball league and stop booting it all over the place. So I'd put them #1.
Not having seen many of the other contenders play, shooting purely from by prophetic hip I'd say...:
2. St. John's
3. Concordia
4. Augsburg
Something about St. Olaf just seems to be "off" this year; I could see a late season collapse in their future.
Quote from: tommiegun on April 23, 2010, 10:31:48 AM
I still think that St. Thomas will end up winning the league (although I am the first to admit I have decidedly purple tinted spectacles). They are the most talented and experienced team and at some point they are gonna realize this ain't no intramural kick ball league and stop booting it all over the place. So I'd put them #1.
Not having seen many of the other contenders play, shooting purely from by prophetic hip I'd say...:
2. St. John's
3. Concordia
4. Augsburg
Something about St. Olaf just seems to be "off" this year; I could see a late season collapse in their future.
I think the collapse for the Oles was at the begining and middle of their season and is now in the rear view mirror. You are right though, something does seem to be off with them... and arguably with the rest of the league as well.
Gene McGivern's blog alerted me to this fact: no team has scored more than five runs against St. Thomas in the last 36 games.
I hate to make my first post of the year negative, but are there some mitigating circumstances that would explain why the two premiere pitchers of the league (Schuld and Murrey) are carrying In-Conference ERAs of 4.66 and 4.65?
Both pitchers have a sketchy defense at best behind them so that could easily explain the ERA fluctuation. On another note, it has come to my attention how down the bottom of the MIAC is this year. Hamline beating Crown 3-1 and then posting that on the d3 website what a joke! Any other thoughts on why the MIAC as a whole is down sooooooo much this year
Quote from: BASEBALLLOVER18 on April 27, 2010, 07:48:31 PM
Both pitchers have a sketchy defense at best behind them so that could easily explain the ERA fluctuation. On another note, it has come to my attention how down the bottom of the MIAC is this year. Hamline beating Crown 3-1 and then posting that on the d3 website what a joke! Any other thoughts on why the MIAC as a whole is down sooooooo much this year
Most (obviously not all, see UST) of the teams are pretty green, especially on the mound.
Any predictions on the Bethany vs. St. Olaf matchup tomorrow? I have Bethany sweeping with scores of 7-2 and 6-4
any thoughts?
Quote from: Gustie13 on April 27, 2010, 01:53:52 PM
I hate to make my first post of the year negative, but are there some mitigating circumstances that would explain why the two premiere pitchers of the league (Schuld and Murrey) are carrying In-Conference ERAs of 4.66 and 4.65?
I believe that fatigue is an issue for both. Both of these guys are throwing deep into games that are well in hand. With both of them being the work horses for their squads as well as being draftable, the coaches should be taking care of their arms by getting them on full rest and a pitch count.
Quote from: BASEBALLLOVER18 on April 28, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
Any predictions on the Bethany vs. St. Olaf matchup tomorrow? I have Bethany sweeping with scores of 7-2 and 6-4
any thoughts?
I see a split. If Hallahan goes he can shut down any offense. I don't see anyone else on the Vikings staff shutting down Olaf who has been playing well lately.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 28, 2010, 11:41:59 PM
Quote from: BASEBALLLOVER18 on April 28, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
Any predictions on the Bethany vs. St. Olaf matchup tomorrow? I have Bethany sweeping with scores of 7-2 and 6-4
any thoughts?
I see a split. If Hallahan goes he can shut down any offense. I don't see anyone else on the Vikings staff shutting down Olaf who has been playing well lately.
My guess is that Bethany needs to sweep to stay alive in the Pool B conversation. It will be interesting to see where they are slotted when the regional rankings come out later today. I'd guess they are right on the borderline of being ranked in the region now and with a couple wins against the Oles and a good weekend, they should be in the top 5 or 6 in the rankings next time.
St. Olaf will be a good matchup for Bethany, the pitching matchups in this one will be interesting. I'd guess Olaf will have to save for their conference games this weekend as they are still fighting to get into the MIAC tourney.
I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation. They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record. With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.
First Regional Rankings.
1. UW-Whitewater 22-3 27-4
2. St. Thomas 20-4 21-5
3. St. Scholastica 22-2 29-3
4. UW-Stevens Point 18-7 22-9
5. Concordia (Ill.) 21-5 25-8
6. Edgewood 16-10 19-11
Bethany probably needed to sweep Olaf at the least to get into the tournament. 31-10 is a great year but there is very little chance that the Selection Committee would take two teams from the UMAC; especially if St. Scholastica tops Bethany in the tournament. That would mean that the Vikes would be at best 1-4 against the Saints, their only regionally ranked opponent. That won't cut it, especially when you consider how competitive the WIAC tournament is (UW-W or UW-SP might not win it), the small number of "B" spots, the competition Bethany plays, the traditionally 6 team Midwest region, and that the Committee i$ unlikely to $end a team out$ide of it$ region.
Quote from: BASEBALLLOVER18 on April 29, 2010, 11:16:22 PM
I find it hard to believe that Bethany would have to sweep in order to stay alive in Pool B conversation. They split today with Olaf, and if they handle thier business this weekend and next weekend, they will enter the conference tournament with a possible 30-8 record. With a conference championship they could be upwards of 33 wins and at worst 30 or 31 .... if you ask me that is a pretty hard team to pass on come selection time.
Read my reply in the MidWest Region and then maybe you understand WHY along with replies in this section
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5108.615
Game One from the corner of Selby and Summit: Tommies 12, Cobbers 0. Schuld chucks a gem.
What's Schuld's record and ERA this year? Is he going to be 1rst team all american? I hope they go to the Illinois regional this year or Point gets shipped out. That regional would be too stacked with Whitewater, St. Thomas, Point, and St. Scholastica.
The Midwest Region is stacked every year. I don't imagine anyone getting shipped out. As in the past, they may ship in a weak team from another region and make it a 7 team dance.
Paging through the conf stats, looks like Tyler Jones has a good chance of breaking the single season hits mars (set by GAC's Ben Sherer in '04). None of the other records are in jeopardy.
USt sweeps StO 19-4 and 2-1 to keep the Oles out of the MIAC playoffs. Playoff teams are USt, CC, SJU, and Augs. Concordia's matchup against BU tomorrow is simply for CC's playoff seeding.
USt's pitchers held Tyler Jones to a 1-7 afternoon, so he finishes with 37 hits, 2 shy of the MIAC record.
From Mid April... I still think that St. Thomas will end up winning the league (although I am the first to admit I have decidedly purple tinted spectacles). They are the most talented and experienced team and at some point they are gonna realize this ain't no intramural kick ball league and stop booting it all over the place. So I'd put them #1.
Not having seen many of the other contenders play, shooting purely from by prophetic hip I'd say...:
2. St. John's
3. Concordia
4. Augsburg
Something about St. Olaf just seems to be "off" this year; I could see a late season collapse in their future...
If only my calls in Twins games could be this good. I think I'm about 1-20 at the professional level...
Quote from: tommiegun on May 10, 2010, 09:50:01 AM
From Mid April... I still think that St. Thomas will end up winning the league (although I am the first to admit I have decidedly purple tinted spectacles). They are the most talented and experienced team and at some point they are gonna realize this ain't no intramural kick ball league and stop booting it all over the place. So I'd put them #1.
Not having seen many of the other contenders play, shooting purely from by prophetic hip I'd say...:
2. St. John's
3. Concordia
4. Augsburg
Something about St. Olaf just seems to be "off" this year; I could see a late season collapse in their future...
If only my calls in Twins games could be this good. I think I'm about 1-20 at the professional level...
Maybe this is your year! So what is your call for the Twins in 2010?
Anyone want to give there predictions on how the Tournament shakes out?
I'll go with mine right now:
Game 1: Tommies over Augies (too much Schuld)
Game 2: Corn Cobs over Johnnies
Game 3: Tommies over Cobbers
Game 4: Augies over Johnnies (Johnnies out)
Game 5: Cobbers over Augies (Augs out)
Game 6: Tommies over Cobbers it'll only need 1!
Tommies pitching is to deep for anyone in this tournament to pull it off. Thanks for playin.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 10, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
Anyone want to give there predictions on how the Tournament shakes out?
I'll go with mine right now:
Game 1: Tommies over Augies (too much Schuld)
Game 2: Corn Cobs over Johnnies
Game 3: Tommies over Cobbers
Game 4: Augies over Johnnies (Johnnies out)
Game 5: Cobbers over Augies (Augs out)
Game 6: Tommies over Cobbers it'll only need 1!
Tommies pitching is to deep for anyone in this tournament to pull it off. Thanks for playin.
What makes you think St. Thomas will throw Schuld in game 1?
Also, I think St. Johns will win a game or two in the tournament. You have the correct champion, but I'm not sure they will be beating Concordia in the championship.
I really wanted to see Macalester get in to see what kind of damage Murray could do the tourney.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2010, 03:13:28 PM
I really wanted to see Macalester get in to see what kind of damage Murray could do the tourney.
I was looking over his stats and Schuld's earlier today to see how they matched up and everything. Mac reaaaally used him a lot this year on short-rest it seemed, which might have caused a couple slip-ups for Murray along the way. Both are great pitchers, but I think Schuld has an enormous advantage in terms of rest and the team that's playing behind him. Nonetheless, I think he finished with something outrageous like 115 k's in 80 innings this year pitching almost every series. I would have loved to see a rematch between Schuld and Murray (a little revenge for my Tommies ;D ), but I think the tournament is already going to produce some good games as is.
Concordia can flat out hit the baseball. I've been seriously impressed with the way they came out and played in conference. If there is any team that could potentially steal a Pool A in the MIAC, it's Concordia. That being said, I don't think St. Thomas will throw Schuld in the first game for exactly that reason. Augsburg isn't really a "gimme" game, but St. Thomas' pitching is stacked top-to-bottom, so holding Schuld for the second game is really nothing to get worried about.
This is what I have:
St. Thomas over Augsburg
Cord. over St. Johns
St. Johns over Auggies
St. Thomas over Cord.
Cord. over SJU
Cord. over UST
UST over Cord. to win conf. tourney
I just saw the Cobbers play Bethel this Sunday and needless to say I was not impressed. If the wind were not blowing in from center/right center the Royals would have hit at least 3 more homeruns than the lone one that they did. The Cobbers did not look good at all hitting. The majority of the hits that they had were off the end of the bat, or little seeing-eye singles that found holes just out of the middle infield's reach. Also, in the two games, I believe the Cobbers had one hit to the opposite field (Krause's lead off double to start game 1). They pretty much tried to pull the ball from what I could see.
It's a sad year for the MIAC and really shows how down the conference is as a whole when (in my opinion) two pretty poor teams get into the playoffs (Concordia and Augsburg) and Olaf is left out. This should be a cakewalk for the Tommies into regionals. And I too would have liked to see/hear about a Schuld/Murray Rematch
Quote from: supermiac on May 10, 2010, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2010, 03:13:28 PM
I really wanted to see Macalester get in to see what kind of damage Murray could do the tourney.
I was looking over his stats and Schuld's earlier today to see how they matched up and everything. Mac reaaaally used him a lot this year on short-rest it seemed, which might have caused a couple slip-ups for Murray along the way. Both are great pitchers, but I think Schuld has an enormous advantage in terms of rest and the team that's playing behind him. Nonetheless, I think he finished with something outrageous like 115 k's in 80 innings this year pitching almost every series. I would have loved to see a rematch between Schuld and Murray (a little revenge for my Tommies ;D ), but I think the tournament is already going to produce some good games as is.
Concordia can flat out hit the baseball. I've been seriously impressed with the way they came out and played in conference. If there is any team that could potentially steal a Pool A in the MIAC, it's Concordia. That being said, I don't think St. Thomas will throw Schuld in the first game for exactly that reason. Augsburg isn't really a "gimme" game, but St. Thomas' pitching is stacked top-to-bottom, so holding Schuld for the second game is really nothing to get worried about.
This is what I have:
St. Thomas over Augsburg
Cord. over St. Johns
St. Johns over Auggies
St. Thomas over Cord.
Cord. over SJU
Cord. over UST
UST over Cord. to win conf. tourney
I'm not cutting Murrey any slack for his workload, there were 4 other pitchers that threw 40+ conf innings.
Quote from: Gustie13 on May 10, 2010, 10:52:47 PM
Quote from: supermiac on May 10, 2010, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 10, 2010, 03:13:28 PM
I really wanted to see Macalester get in to see what kind of damage Murray could do the tourney.
I was looking over his stats and Schuld's earlier today to see how they matched up and everything. Mac reaaaally used him a lot this year on short-rest it seemed, which might have caused a couple slip-ups for Murray along the way. Both are great pitchers, but I think Schuld has an enormous advantage in terms of rest and the team that's playing behind him. Nonetheless, I think he finished with something outrageous like 115 k's in 80 innings this year pitching almost every series. I would have loved to see a rematch between Schuld and Murray (a little revenge for my Tommies ;D ), but I think the tournament is already going to produce some good games as is.
Concordia can flat out hit the baseball. I've been seriously impressed with the way they came out and played in conference. If there is any team that could potentially steal a Pool A in the MIAC, it's Concordia. That being said, I don't think St. Thomas will throw Schuld in the first game for exactly that reason. Augsburg isn't really a "gimme" game, but St. Thomas' pitching is stacked top-to-bottom, so holding Schuld for the second game is really nothing to get worried about.
This is what I have:
St. Thomas over Augsburg
Cord. over St. Johns
St. Johns over Auggies
St. Thomas over Cord.
Cord. over SJU
Cord. over UST
UST over Cord. to win conf. tourney
I'm not cutting Murrey any slack for his workload, there were 4 other pitchers that threw 40+ conf innings.
Well looking at the outings where he did not pitch well, it was on 2-3 days rest after throwing a CG or starting back-to-back DHs. Not to mention throwing CGs every time he went out there... I think in the case for Mac, it was a good idea on paper to have him relieve against several teams along the way or throw back-to-back series, but it just didn't work out in reality for whatever reason.
Regardless, I think it should be noted that Schuld and Murray are two of the best pitchers to ever pitch in this conference, and I really wish there was another opportunity to see them square off. I'm glad to see that even within a season where the conference as a whole is down, there is something like a good pitching rivalry that draws some attention to the conference and region.
Quote from: hkchang on May 10, 2010, 06:27:33 PM
I just saw the Cobbers play Bethel this Sunday and needless to say I was not impressed. If the wind were not blowing in from center/right center the Royals would have hit at least 3 more homeruns than the lone one that they did. The Cobbers did not look good at all hitting. The majority of the hits that they had were off the end of the bat, or little seeing-eye singles that found holes just out of the middle infield's reach. Also, in the two games, I believe the Cobbers had one hit to the opposite field (Krause's lead off double to start game 1). They pretty much tried to pull the ball from what I could see.
It's a sad year for the MIAC and really shows how down the conference is as a whole when (in my opinion) two pretty poor teams get into the playoffs (Concordia and Augsburg) and Olaf is left out. This should be a cakewalk for the Tommies into regionals. And I too would have liked to see/hear about a Schuld/Murray Rematch
Considering all the splits St. Thomas had this year in conference, I wouldn't call this a cakewalk. Their pitching is probably the best in the country top-to-bottom, but recently they've had trouble scoring runs. Who knows, my money is on the Toms but I wouldn't say anything is a given.
I definitely agree on the pitching, they are loaded on their staff and don't even have to rely on Schuld. But I was just meaning to comment on the post that the Cobbers could flat out hit. I just wasn't really impressed with what I saw this past weekend from their lineup. Krause is legit, and a stud in the field, but no one else stood out at all. And even with UST struggling to score runs, they still led the league in team batting average. Cakewalk might not have been the appropriate term, but I'd put all my money on them to make it to Whitewater.
Quote from: hkchang on May 10, 2010, 11:35:23 PM
I definitely agree on the pitching, they are loaded on their staff and don't even have to rely on Schuld. But I was just meaning to comment on the post that the Cobbers could flat out hit. I just wasn't really impressed with what I saw this past weekend from their lineup. Krause is legit, and a stud in the field, but no one else stood out at all. And even with UST struggling to score runs, they still led the league in team batting average. Cakewalk might not have been the appropriate term, but I'd put all my money on them to make it to Whitewater.
Well, you would hope that even if they lose two straight a top ten team with less than 10 losses would get a "C" bid. My guess is this:
Aug over UST (UST saves their stud, like they always do; pay the price)
SJU over Cobs
UST over Cobs (Cobs Gone)
SJU over Aug
UST over Aug (Aug Gone)
UST over SJU
UST over SJU
It will be weird without the Oles in the playoffs, first time they've missed the cut. That means UST is the only team to play in all the MIAC Playoffs.
The Tommies should take home the title for the 8th time.
GM1- UST over AUG
GM 2- CORD over USJ
GM 3- AUG over USJ
GM 4- UST over CORD
GM 5- CORD over AUG
GM 6- UST over CORD
boy, not many people picked Augs over USt...
Saving their ace in Schuld came back to bite the Tommies in the arse today....
don't really think you can say it bit them in the arse since they still won the playoffs.
USt took advantage of the short Dundas CF fence (360 if I recall)- after hitting 10 HR in 35 reg season games they hit 11 in their 4 playoff games at Dundas (0 in their 1 playoff game at Northfield).
Anyone have any idea why the St. Thomas baseball job opened today? Olean was only there one year. Did he land another job?
Quote from: BigPoppa on November 20, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
Anyone have any idea why the St. Thomas baseball job opened today? Olean was only there one year. Did he land another job?
Was Olean permanent or an interim when he was hired? If he was interim, perhaps UST is simply going through the hiring process now.
Quote from: Just Bill on November 20, 2010, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on November 20, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
Anyone have any idea why the St. Thomas baseball job opened today? Olean was only there one year. Did he land another job?
Was Olean permanent or an interim when he was hired? If he was interim, perhaps UST is simply going through the hiring process now.
From Last January 2010
Chris Olean named Interim Head Baseball Coach
January 13, 2010
Chris Olean has been named UST's Interim Head Baseball Coach for the the 2010 Tommie season
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on November 20, 2010, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 20, 2010, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on November 20, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
Anyone have any idea why the St. Thomas baseball job opened today? Olean was only there one year. Did he land another job?
Was Olean permanent or an interim when he was hired? If he was interim, perhaps UST is simply going through the hiring process now.
From Last January 2010
Chris Olean named Interim Head Baseball Coach
January 13, 2010
Chris Olean has been named UST's Interim Head Baseball Coach for the the 2010 Tommie season
That would explain it for me.
One would think that if he was interim in 2010, they would have searched at the end of the season. It seems a formality that he is their guy and this is simply the process they have to legally go through.
I swear I'd read just a month or two ago that Olean was given the job.
UST is expected to name its interim head coach Chris Olean as the permanent head coach this week .
Quote from: Jim Dixon on January 10, 2011, 06:31:04 PM
UST is expected to name its interim head coach Chris Olean as the permanent head coach this week .
http://www.tommiemedia.com/sports/university-interviews-three-candidates-for-head-baseball-coach/
Quote from: Jim Dixon on January 10, 2011, 06:31:04 PM
UST is expected to name its interim head coach Chris Olean as the permanent head coach this week .
This whole process makes me think it is simply a public relations effort to get Olean in front of the community. There is no way that he is not awarded that job considering they start workouts in 2-3 weeks. I never saw this as a truly open job, but a hurdle the university felt it had to clear.
If this is truly an open interview for the position, then Hamline's Jason Verdugo will get the position. He might be the best coach in the MIAC, but is handcuffed at Hamline by the resources (below average facilities, no field, etc...)he has to work with. Putting him in a gold mine like St. Thomas would be trouble for the rest of the nation's baseball programs.
Yes, Verdugo must be the best coach in the MIAC, I remember a few years ago i was at the MN state high school convention and the only relevant thing he discussed was how hot his own wife is.
Poppa that was the quickest retraction ever!
Quote from: MIACLUV on January 11, 2011, 03:55:28 PM
Poppa that was the quickest retraction ever!
I thought about it and, though correct, did not want it out there.
It is official
Chris Olean can say goodbye to the interim tag and say hello to a new title as full-time head coach for St. Thomas (Minn.) baseball.
Story link: http://www.tommiesports.com/bsbl/news/Announce_1-12.html
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 11, 2011, 08:36:31 AM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on January 10, 2011, 06:31:04 PM
UST is expected to name its interim head coach Chris Olean as the permanent head coach this week .
This whole process makes me think it is simply a public relations effort to get Olean in front of the community. There is no way that he is not awarded that job considering they start workouts in 2-3 weeks. I never saw this as a truly open job, but a hurdle the university felt it had to clear.
If this is truly an open interview for the position, then Hamline's Jason Verdugo will get the position. He might be the best coach in the MIAC, but is handcuffed at Hamline by the resources (below average facilities, no field, etc...)he has to work with. Putting him in a gold mine like St. Thomas would be trouble for the rest of the nation's baseball programs.
Poppa, what is your basis for Verdugo possibly being the best coach in the MIAC? I find that to be an interesting take. I'd personally have a hard time arguing with the success of St. Thomas and St. Olaf. I think the Olean hire is a good move for the Tommies... he knows the program, he's experienced the success, and he has learned from a great coach over the years. Makes sense to me not to stir the pot when you have a strong tradition of winning.
Also, are Hameline's facilities really a limiting factor in their success? They play on a professional baseball field and I believe they have a pretty nice (maybe a bit old) fieldhouse as well.
Ditto; Poppa you tend to be spot on typically, but I feel you might be a bit off on this one and i'm going to try and explain the reasoning as best as possible.
Disclaimer: This is not intended to come off as an insult to Verdugo or any other program in the MIAC.
I've got another coach in mind that has very similar credentials (eerily similar if you look at the past 6 years). And although he seems to be a great coach I never hear his name as the best coach in the MIAC. Just to put these things into perspective here is what it looks like. Both have a .500 MIAC record over the past 6 years, both are "handcuffed" by the resources (below average facility, no field, etc.) both have taken their team to 2-3 MIAC playoffs, and both share a co-coach of the MIAC award. Kinda weird to hear one guy is "best coach of the MIAC" label and the other isn't?
Keep in mind that it doesn't matter how many school records you set, when you are beating up on the lower tier schools every March in the Metrodome and not setting the bar up to play the Wisco schools and Scholastica your program isn't going to go St. Olaf, UST levels. Same goes for the spring break trips (although I do understand much of that is timing but I've played Oshkosh 3 times in a 4 day span down in Florida so I know maximizing the competition is possible).
A few things to keep in mind. If we are just going off of established credentials McDonald should have deserved the "best coach in the MIAC" comment but knowing Olean I have no doubt he'll get to that level. As much as I respect Dennis, people have to realize that he had great people behind his success and considering what Olean did last year (no practice facility, late interm coach notice) that should have takin the "public relations" and "handed to him" b.s. out the door. I definately believe he was the best man for the job, no questions asked.
If anything i'd be kinda disappointed if i'm a Hamline guy or future recruit. You bust your ass all year to find out two weeks before the season starts that according to that UST article "he'd like a (different) challenge."
Quote from: Bullis_Chris on January 18, 2011, 09:51:51 PM
Ditto; Poppa you tend to be spot on typically, but I feel you might be a bit off on this one and i'm going to try and explain the reasoning as best as possible.
Disclaimer: This is not intended to come off as an insult to Verdugo or any other program in the MIAC.
I've got another coach in mind that has very similar credentials (eerily similar if you look at the past 6 years). And although he seems to be a great coach I never hear his name as the best coach in the MIAC. Just to put these things into perspective here is what it looks like. Both have a .500 MIAC record over the past 6 years, both are "handcuffed" by the resources (below average facility, no field, etc.) both have taken their team to 2-3 MIAC playoffs, and both share a co-coach of the MIAC award. Kinda weird to hear one guy is "best coach of the MIAC" label and the other isn't?
Keep in mind that it doesn't matter how many school records you set, when you are beating up on the lower tier schools every March in the Metrodome and not setting the bar up to play the Wisco schools and Scholastica your program isn't going to go St. Olaf, UST levels. Same goes for the spring break trips (although I do understand much of that is timing but I've played Oshkosh 3 times in a 4 day span down in Florida so I know maximizing the competition is possible).
A few things to keep in mind. If we are just going off of established credentials McDonald should have deserved the "best coach in the MIAC" comment but knowing Olean I have no doubt he'll get to that level. As much as I respect Dennis, people have to realize that he had great people behind his success and considering what Olean did last year (no practice facility, late interm coach notice) that should have takin the "public relations" and "handed to him" b.s. out the door. I definately believe he was the best man for the job, no questions asked.
If anything i'd be kinda disappointed if i'm a Hamline guy or future recruit. You bust your ass all year to find out two weeks before the season starts that according to that UST article "he'd like a (different) challenge."
I can't disagree.
I agree with Bullis completely. If your a Hamline player and your literally weeks from getting rolling and my head coach is off looking for a new challenge I'm a little pissed. You've sold these recruits the challenge of winning the MIAC and getting to the NCAA tournament. Guess what, you haven't met that challenge, so lets try it elsewhere. Hamline's a great school and they face as many challenges as the rest of the MIAC. Yes St. Thomas has plenty of money and the means to do things others can't, but you've commited to this years team. Coaches move that's part of the job, but to do it under these terms, I think shows a lack of commitment to the guys on your campus now. I believe that will be reflected in their play this year.
As someone who was recruited by Verdugo but chose to become the worst pitcher on one of the best staffs in St. Thomas history, I couldn't imagine anyone other than Buzz Hannahan and Olean were considered for the St. Thomas job. In my opinion, Olean, no offense to Denning, is the primary reason that the Tommies have been so dominant for the past decade. He took guys who were already really good pitchers and refined them into awesome ones and guys who could just flat out chuck (i.e. Lonnie Robinson) and turned them into crafty Maddux's with D3 rockets. The guy knows the game, especially the one between the ears, and especially especially the one between the ears on the mound, which is where championships are won.
I agre with bullis, too...especialy if we are thinking the same coach.....did he used to be an assistant ay UST?
Is anyone in the know enough to give us a MIAC preview?
I'll give a try at prediciting the 4 teams that will be there in the end come tourney time.
1) UST - Still the best pitching staff in the league with depth, offensively there is a few question marks, but the word out practice is that there are a couple freshman ready to jump in. Not as dominant in the leasgue as the last couple years, but still more than enough to take the crown.
2) St. Johns - Zimmerman gives them a legitimate #1 to match up with anybodys #1 in the league. The 1-2 punch of Zimmerman & Kramer puts them on the doorstep with an offense that will be led by Marsinik & Butorac should be enough to give them a run at a regional bid
3) St. Olaf - Hughes will make life miserable for most of the offenses in the league, followed up by a very experieced staff (Dzurak,Olson, Agneberg, Schmiesing) behind him gives Olaf a chance to possible sneak into the #2 spot . Offense will be the question with the loss of the Jones boys. Look for a deep staff and a young lineup.
4) Conc-Moor - Losing alot of senior leadership from 2010, but returns a nice core of seniors with experience from last years team. A competitive early season schedule with the likes of Whitewater (3) Rockford (2) Jamestown & NDSU will have this team ready to face the MIAC season.
In all this is a crap shoot, I believe the top 3 are pretty set, but that 4th spot is way up in the air. Augsburg has a lot to fill offensively and Hamline will have a decent record based on their schedule, but I don't see them getting done during the conference season.
Quote from: MIACLUV on February 25, 2011, 12:11:50 PM
I'll give a try at prediciting the 4 teams that will be there in the end come tourney time.
1) UST - Still the best pitching staff in the league with depth, offensively there is a few question marks, but the word out practice is that there are a couple freshman ready to jump in. Not as dominant in the leasgue as the last couple years, but still more than enough to take the crown.
2) St. Johns - Zimmerman gives them a legitimate #1 to match up with anybodys #1 in the league. The 1-2 punch of Zimmerman & Kramer puts them on the doorstep with an offense that will be led by Marsinik & Butorac should be enough to give them a run at a regional bid
3) St. Olaf - Hughes will make life miserable for most of the offenses in the league, followed up by a very experieced staff (Dzurak,Olson, Agneberg, Schmiesing) behind him gives Olaf a chance to possible sneak into the #2 spot . Offense will be the question with the loss of the Jones boys. Look for a deep staff and a young lineup.
4) Conc-Moor - Losing alot of senior leadership from 2010, but returns a nice core of seniors with experience from last years team. A competitive early season schedule with the likes of Whitewater (3) Rockford (2) Jamestown & NDSU will have this team ready to face the MIAC season.
In all this is a crap shoot, I believe the top 3 are pretty set, but that 4th spot is way up in the air. Augsburg has a lot to fill offensively and Hamline will have a decent record based on their schedule, but I don't see them getting done during the conference season.
Thanks for the post LUV. Any idea which of the 35 freshman have made an impression at STU?
A less than stellar performance from the Tommies. Hard to listen to, but St. Scholastica was obvioulsy the more prepared team. The big question still is, if Edwards is good to relieve why is he not good to start. And worst yet, when the game is still within reach he's the second out of the bullpen. It's early and we'll get a much better read on the Florida trip.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 07, 2011, 09:46:21 AM
A less than stellar performance from the Tommies. Hard to listen to, but St. Scholastica was obvioulsy the more prepared team. The big question still is, if Edwards is good to relieve why is he not good to start. And worst yet, when the game is still within reach he's the second out of the bullpen. It's early and we'll get a much better read on the Florida trip.
I was also shocked to see that Edwards did not start the game. And why not Gapinski, why not Licht. Based on the innings from last year, those are the guys I would have expected to see pitch. Interesting stuff.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 07, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 07, 2011, 09:46:21 AM
A less than stellar performance from the Tommies. Hard to listen to, but St. Scholastica was obvioulsy the more prepared team. The big question still is, if Edwards is good to relieve why is he not good to start. And worst yet, when the game is still within reach he's the second out of the bullpen. It's early and we'll get a much better read on the Florida trip.
I was also shocked to see that Edwards did not start the game. And why not Gapinski, why not Licht. Based on the innings from last year, those are the guys I would have expected to see pitch. Interesting stuff.
I use to see Denning do this early in the season to test his young pitchers to see what they are made of, does not seem to work but maybe it has payoffs later in the season.
Ok Tommies, this is getting ridiculous. How can you take the reigns over, bring in a ton of good recruits and start 0-5 following the loss today to William & Jefferson. There is too much talent in this program to be performing at this level. And yes I get it, it's early and the schedule has been tough. But guess what? Here comes Whitewater. This is not the team to beat in the MIAC, early performances say Olaf and the Johnnies are coming hard and ready to knock you off the top. Could the MIAC be a one bid NCAA team? At this point yes. OLAF
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 21, 2011, 03:13:23 PM
Ok Tommies, this is getting ridiculous. How can you take the reigns over, bring in a ton of good recruits and start 0-5 following the loss today to William & Jefferson. There is too much talent in this program to be performing at this level. And yes I get it, it's early and the schedule has been tough. But guess what? Here comes Whitewater. This is not the team to beat in the MIAC, early performances say Olaf and the Johnnies are coming hard and ready to knock you off the top. Could the MIAC be a one bid NCAA team? At this point yes. OLAF
Although I'm not quite ready to crown Olaf the MIAC champ, I will say I'm surprised by this start by the Tommies. They are losing the close games that this program has made a tradition out of winning. I have a feeling things will turn around for them though and that its going to be a good battle for the conference title once those games begin.
In a big Midwest Region match-up today, Point sweeps St. Thomas 4-2 and 9-0. I don't have any oter details, so who knows what the pitching match-ups looked like.
Here's what we know about the MIAC:
1. Olaf - and at this point not sure their is anyone close
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
This conference is very average this year. As apparent by the opening weekend shows.
Carl / StU (split, honestly could have been a sweep for Carl)
Conc / Ham (sweep for Conc.)
Augs / Mac (Mac sweep)
St.J / Bethel (Split, but Bethel knocking Zimmermann out badly)
This is a 1 bid conference this year unless somebody pulls it together for the conference tournament to knock off Olaf. Should be an interesting season to see how these teams approach games, because there are 6 teams that could contend for the final 3 playoff spots.
Splittsville in the MIAC 4/6
UST / St. Johns - Split (Edwards brilliant in game 1, shades of 2010)
Carlton / St. Marys - Split
Mac / Hamline (Mac wins a close one in the first game, wins gm 2 in extras, could be these types of games that get them in the MIAC tourney this year)
Augsburg / Bethel - Split (both teams swing it well, can pitching keep scores close though?)
St. Olaf / GAC - Olaf Sweeps ( Gusties actually out hit Oles in Gm1, Voss gave up some hits, but left a lot of runners on and Hughes shut the door. Gm 2 not as close, Schmeising/Agneberg/Olson combined to shut out GAC.)
Olaf looking to run away and hide with this conference, but with all the splits it could make the emphasis of conference wins a must. So look for some of these teams to drop some non-conference gmanes trying to save pitching for MIAC matchups.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 07, 2011, 12:04:54 PM
Olaf looking to run away and hide with this conference, but with all the splits it could make the emphasis of conference wins a must. So look for some of these teams to drop some non-conference gmanes trying to save pitching for MIAC matchups.
When have conference wins not been a must? I don't think there are many teams around that don't throw there best pitchers in the conference games... unless we are talking about teams in the UMAC :)
A lot of splits again over the weekend and a big sweep for the Tommies.
Olaf / St. Johns - Olaf's pitching is terrific again, Kramer holds Oles to 1 run Jonnies win in extras.
Ham / Carl - Split
St. Mary / GAC - Split
Conc. / Augs - Split
UST / Beth - Gapinski goes complete in game 1. Game 2, UST wasted no time giving pitchers the yank when things got a little rough, using 3 guys including Edwards to close. Good to see the piching coming around, offense still a concern versus a very average couple of starters.
Looks like Bethel took some nice BP off Crown in the Monday sweep, and the shocker of the day was Hamline pulling the sweep on Conc Moor. Their reward, a 5th conference game in 4 days against the Tommies.
I throw my hands up, Tommies down 4-2 to Hamline going into the 7th!
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 12, 2011, 05:21:03 PM
I throw my hands up, Tommies down 4-2 to Hamline going into the 7th!
And Mac sweeps St. Olaf. Buckle up!
well so much for Olaf running away with the conference like early predictions indicated. St. Thomas falls to 3-5 against Hamline in the last four years, which is a pretty impressive stat considering all of St. Thomas' success over that period.
An impressive performance by the Tommies yesterday. 8-3 victory over the Gophers, which by all accounts wasn't that close. The pitching was terrific, the defense was very good, and the hitters finally came through with runners in scoring position. Finally looked like the Tommies of old. It will be interesting to see if this could be a building block in getting things turned around to make a deep run and win the MIAC tourney and get back to the NCAA's. Was on the Gophers blog during the game and the best part was the fact that the blogger was a huge apologist for the Gophers saying these mid week games were chances to get all their guys work. Well from what I can go back and see the lineup the Gophers ran out is pretty much the same on they've run out all season. So for the Tommmie staff to hold a Big Ten team to 3 runs is even more impressive. The pitching the gophers threw was not their tops by any means, but all would be very quality D3 guys. Never the less Tommies are 2-1 vs Gophers in the last 3 seasons with the 1 loss being in extra innings.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 14, 2011, 09:16:51 AM
An impressive performance by the Tommies yesterday. 8-3 victory over the Gophers, which by all accounts wasn't that close. The pitching was terrific, the defense was very good, and the hitters finally came through with runners in scoring position. Finally looked like the Tommies of old. It will be interesting to see if this could be a building block in getting things turned around to make a deep run and win the MIAC tourney and get back to the NCAA's. Was on the Gophers blog during the game and the best part was the fact that the blogger was a huge apologist for the Gophers saying these mid week games were chances to get all their guys work. Well from what I can go back and see the lineup the Gophers ran out is pretty much the same on they've run out all season. So for the Tommmie staff to hold a Big Ten team to 3 runs is even more impressive. The pitching the gophers threw was not their tops by any means, but all would be very quality D3 guys. Never the less Tommies are 2-1 vs Gophers in the last 3 seasons with the 1 loss being in extra innings.
Too bad this win means nothing. Hopefully this does spark the Tommies a bit though. The season is not a loss yet and count me as one who still thinks they can turn it around.
I'd also classify this as an embarrassing loss for the Gophers. They did not play well and were dominated throughout.
Congrats Tommies on that win yesterday and on playing the Gophers so tough the last few years!
Two more big in region W's for the Tommies over Bethany Lutheran out of the UMAC. The Tommies took care of business walk off style in game 1 with some sloppy defense in the 7th by Bethany, 4-3. Very nice outing by the freshman Dehmer only giving up 3. Coach Olean was really looking to get this win, Edwards even got loose but wasn't needed. Game 2 was never really in doubt, Bethany was obviously tapped on the pitching side and the Tommies had no problem dispensing of their starter early in the second game. Two in the first including a homerun by the freshman Dorgan was more than enough for Franz who went complete and picked up his first collegiate win.
Can't say I was overly impressed by Bethany Lutheran. Siefken threw in game one was far from as dominant as I expected considering what he had done to St. Scholastica in his last start. He wiggled out of some jams but is an average MIAC 2 or 3. What really shocks me is that Hallahan never touched the mound. I had to come home to find out that he pitched against Northland on Sunday. That is a questionable decision to say the least. I have yet to see him this season, but as dominant as he was last season, and if he is the teams #1, how does he not throw in one of these games instead of against a remarkably bad Northland team? Maybe needed a little stat builder, because Northland is an exceptionally bad offense. The Tommies are not a great offensive team, but it would have been nice to see how they do against Hallahan.
Things are starting to come together nicely, and to get through these two games by throwing two freshman for 12 of 14 innings leaves the cupboard well stocked for Wed's matchup with the Augies.
Not surprised to see Tommies sweep. As I posted on the UMAC board a few days ago I would be surprised to see Hallahan pitch against the Tommies due the dates of the game. Hallahan pitched on 4/9 against CSS, 9 days would be a long wait to pitch against the Tommies. Granted he pitched the day before on 4/17, but sure he was scheduled to pitch on 4/15 or 4/16 but games were delayed. Then he can come back to pitch again against Northwestern. You want to get your best pitchers on the mound as much as possible so no point of having your best pitcher sit on the bench when he is ready to pitch. Everytime you delay him to pitch 1-2 days may mean him missing out on starts throughout the year.
good wins for tommies none the less.
Big weekend for the MIAC play off race
Conc. @ Olaf
St.J @ Augs
Bethel @ Gusties
St. Mary's @ Ham
MAC @ Carleton
Tommies off until Monday @ St. Scholastica (1 - 9 inn)
Alot of jockeying for position in this conference for the tournament. The top four now could easily not be the 4 left standing at the end. The one team that seemed to be a lock (Oles) all of a sudden cant put runs on the board. The Tommies got a HUGE sweep of Augs with a walk off in game 1 and carried that momentum to a game 2 victory. I don't put to much stock in the front of the pack right now since MAC has a lot of tough conference series yet to go. I do like St. John's chances since the schedule plays in their favor having already played the Oles and Tommies. We'll see how this all plays out, but this late in the season I don't ever remember this many teams having a shot at the MIAC tourny.
Can't say i agree using likely your best starter as of late against St. Scholastica in a non-conference matchup, especially with Conc. Moor today. This team has played very well of late and is poised to get back in the MIAC race as a likely 2 or 3 seed. Chances of a Pool C bid are basiclly gone so getting that MIAC position seems to me being the highest priority. I hope that decision does not come back to bite them.
From listening to the broadcast there were some questionable calls in both teams direction, but it came down to not hitting with guys in scoring position same as early in the season. Now's the time of year to be playing well and the Tommies are. They won't be in any regional rankings, but I see them making a deep MIAC tourney run and could easily see them winning it.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 26, 2011, 10:58:06 AM
Can't say i agree using likely your best starter as of late against St. Scholastica in a non-conference matchup, especially with Conc. Moor today. This team has played very well of late and is poised to get back in the MIAC race as a likely 2 or 3 seed. Chances of a Pool C bid are basiclly gone so getting that MIAC position seems to me being the highest priority. I hope that decision does not come back to bite them.
From listening to the broadcast there were some questionable calls in both teams direction, but it came down to not hitting with guys in scoring position same as early in the season. Now's the time of year to be playing well and the Tommies are. They won't be in any regional rankings, but I see them making a deep MIAC tourney run and could easily see them winning it.
Seems like the upper tier MIAC teams all have 3-4 good arms but all struggle to be consistent offensively.
I saw the game yesterday and liked a few of the Tommies hitters, but there isn't much there to make anyone think they are going to be able to outscore teams. That combined with their inability to completely shut teams down (without a Schuld) and Edwards being used mostly out of the bullpen leads me to have a hard time believing they can get it done this year.
Side note: CSS can give teams fits on the bases, especially if Link is on base. It seemed to me like Licht was very uncomfortable every time CSS got a runner on. It was a well played game defensively by both teams. Matt Lewis was very good for CSS.
Love the posts makes for some great reading. Don't post much but found some of the analysis here worth chatting about. The season began with Dome collapsing which affected every team in the MIAC. It showed everywhere the MIAC played over spring break. It now looks like the top 4 will stay there unless something crazy happens. ST is on a roll, MAC keeps winning despite playing without Glasser. SJ and HU are taking care of business while STO & BU are pretty much out only leaving CC with a chance by running the table. I believe it's between ST & MAC. The Tommies are rolling & MAC, well it's hard to knock a staff that leads the MIAC in era along with 5 guys hitting over .350.
Oh how the mighty have fallen. Olaf is eliminated from the MIAC tourney following the sweep by the Tommies. Although Hughes pitched pretty well his defense was terrible, I know they have 7 errors in the scoring, but there were a couple that could've made it nine. It is sad to see the Oles perform like this after seeing them be dominant in the early part of the season on the mound and very sound defensively. But the way the NCAA looks at things, they still have a chance at the tournment if they can turn this around quickly, starting tues with Bethany Lutheran and Wed with LAX.
There are a ton of MIAC playoff scenarios for seedings so it's really hard to predict how this thing is going to play out and who will get the 4th seed. I think the top 3 (MAC, HAM, UST) are safely in, but where they finish is tough to predict depending on who decides to pitch where.
Current standings - current conf record (Conf games left)
1. MAC - 13-1 (5/4-UST (2) 5/7-SJU (2) 5/8-CONC (2))
2. HAM - 12-4 (5/4-GAC (2) 5/7-BETH (2))
3. UST - 12-4 (5/4-MAC (2) 5/8-STMA (2))
4. STJ - 10-4 (5/3-GAC (2) 5/4-CONC (2) 5/7-MAC (2)
5. CONC - 6-6 (5/3-BETH (2) 5/4-STJ (2) 5/7-GAC (2) 5/8-MAC
Mac still has some work to do before laying claim to that number 1 seed, the Tommies appear to have the edge in schedule and an oppurtunity to put themselves in the drivers seat with a sweep of Mac and some help from SJU or Conc. Should be an interesting week!
Obvious UST will be throwing their top 2 against MAC tomorrow but will MAC throw theirs? If CC loses a game today I don't think UST will see MACs top 2 until playoff time.
Disagree. MAC is still fighting to win the conference. Why would you let one of the teams on your heels sweep and get closer ? If you have the chance to knock out one of the teams behind you you have to go for the knockout. You still want to win the conference and get the #1 seed. They still have work to do to win conference, No time now to sit back and give St Thomas more momentum. St Thomas is one of the hottest teams in the country right now. MAC needs to go after these games if only to break the St Thomas mystique that they have over the rest of the conference.
The muddy picture that is the MIAC tournament gets a little clearer after today. Some big matchups that will determine seeding. Three teams have a shot at that #1 seed still.
Path to the #1
Tommies:
Win 2 vs Mac (5/4)
Win 2 vs St. Mary's (5/8)
Hamline needs to lose 1 of 4 remaining
MAC would need to lose 1 of 4 if Tommies can sweep
MAC:
Win 4 of next 6 to be Conference Champions alone
If they go 3-3 it must include splitting with the Tommies
UST - 5/4
StJ - 5/7
Conc - 5/8
Hamline:
Win 2 vs GAC (5/4)
Win 2 vs Beth (5/7)
Need Mac to be in a 3 way tie and Mac to Split with UST
Hold tie breaker in 3 way tie 1-1 vs MAC and 2-0 vs Tommies
Tuesday results:
MAC vs UST
Game 1
Tommies - 7
MAC - 5
Game 2
Tommies - 16
MAC - 6
Note: MAC played well after some sloppy defense early, had numerous chances to score and take the lead back, but was never able to cash in. Game 2 they looked deflated, UST took advantage and scored early and often. Probably the best back to back offensive efforts of the season for the Tommies. They appear to be peaking at the right time.
Hamline vs GAC
Game 1
Hamline - 0
GAC - 3
Game 2
Hamline - 9
GAC - 8
11 innings
Playoff Notes:
MAC still holds their own destiny but will need to win 4 of 4 to get the #1 seed, no easy task against St. Johns & Concordia on back to back days.
UST need to win two vs St. Mary's and have Mac lose one this weekend
Hamline needs to take care of business at Bethel and get help, UST would have to split and MAC would need to go 2-2.
Conc & StJ have a huge series today, StJ can all but wrap up the 4th spot with a sweep today. In all reality the Jonnies have a shot at the 1 or 2 seed, but there are too many things that need to happen to even comprehend that as a possibility.
Tommies secure #1 seed with sweep of St. Mary's. Conc & MAC are pushed to tuesday due to rain. MAC must sweep to get a piece of the MIAC regular season crown, but a split could knock them to the #3 seed.
6-6 in the 12th inning in Moorhead between MAC & Conc. Not sure the MIAC regualr season crown is this important, because Robinson started and Ingram has been pitching since the 7th. That is the #1 & #2 in ONE game, that doesn't affect your seeding in the conference tournament. Hamline has got to be loving this since they are likely to get one of these 2 on real short rest.
MAC grabs a share of its first MIAC title since 1950 with the sweep of Cord. With it, they get the #2 seed and "host" Hamline, while UST "hosts USJ. Should be a most interesting tourney...can anyone cool off UST?
Quote from: miacmaniac on May 10, 2011, 08:51:56 PM
MAC grabs a share of its first MIAC title since 1950 with the sweep of Cord. With it, they get the #2 seed and "host" Hamline, while UST "hosts USJ. Should be a most interesting tourney...can anyone cool off UST?
"MAC grabs a share of its first MIAC title since 1950"
Worst flooding on the Mississippi since 1937...
Signs of the end times! :)
Quote from: miacmaniac on May 10, 2011, 08:51:56 PM
MAC grabs a share of its first MIAC title since 1950 with the sweep of Cord. With it, they get the #2 seed and "host" Hamline, while UST "hosts USJ. Should be a most interesting tourney...can anyone cool off UST?
St. Thpmas appears tp have righted the ship. Kudos to the coaching staff for getting a team that WAS spiraling out of control back on track just in time to do some damage on the national level.
Congrats to Mac on the Co-MIAC title and wrapping up the #2 seed in the tournament. One can ask though, was the crown worth using the pitching they used to get it? With the conference tournament just a few days away, using Ingram to finish game 1, then rolling him back out there to start game 2. Neither of yesterdays starters are going to be fresh for friday one would think. Mac must be pretty confident they can get through Hamline with their #3.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 11, 2011, 08:40:47 AM
One can ask though, was the crown worth using the pitching they used to get it?
Couldn't one also ask if it was worth it to win two in region games to enhance your chances at the post season if you didn't win the conference's automatic bid?
A change of scenery should help MAC if they face UST again this weekend, if you know what I mean.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 11, 2011, 08:40:47 AM
Congrats to Mac on the Co-MIAC title and wrapping up the #2 seed in the tournament. One can ask though, was the crown worth using the pitching they used to get it? With the conference tournament just a few days away, using Ingram to finish game 1, then rolling him back out there to start game 2. Neither of yesterdays starters are going to be fresh for friday one would think. Mac must be pretty confident they can get through Hamline with their #3.
Wouldn't most MAC fans say YES! very loud? How many chances do they get to win a conference title in baseball?
Congrats to MAC for shocking me and congrats to St. Thomas for putting it together after they beat the Gophers! That was quite a run to tie MAC after the start they had this year.
What happened to St. Olaf?
MIAC tourney Predictions:
Round 1
UST over STJ
Ham over MAC
Round 2
UST over Ham
MAC over StJ
Round 3
Ham over MAC
Round 4
UST over Ham (likely will need 2 games)
UST gets the autobid, but I think if MAC or Ham get to the finals they are in pretty fair shape in getting a C bid. Both have pretty good numbers in the NCAA's eyes despite getting jobbed in the most recent rankings
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 13, 2011, 09:21:15 AM
MIAC tourney Predictions:
Round 1
UST over STJ
Ham over MAC
Round 2
UST over Ham
MAC over StJ
Round 3
Ham over MAC
Round 4
UST over Ham (likely will need 2 games)
UST gets the autobid, but I think if MAC or Ham get to the finals they are in pretty fair shape in getting a C bid. Both have pretty good numbers in the NCAA's eyes despite getting jobbed in the most recent rankings
There is virtually no chance of either HAM or MAC getting a Pool C bid if they did not appear in the latest Regional Ranking. I am almost certain that a team out of the final ranking has NEVER been awarded anything other than the Pool A auto-bid. They are both in a win or go home situation.
Final ranking is on Sunday if I'm not mistaken
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 13, 2011, 09:58:03 AM
Final ranking is on Sunday if I'm not mistaken
That ranking is not made public. (sorry, I was not clear on that) No team has ever missed the final PUBLISHED ranking and earned a Pool C. It is the committee's way of saying you are in a win-or-go-home spot.
MAC and HAMLINE are in serious trouble if they don't win it.
As much as we all like to think that the myth of C bids are "NOT" regionally factored (St. Norberts 2009), I believe there will be a 2nd MIAC team that makes it. The NCAA doesn't exactly get excited to spend money on shipping teams all over the country because it is the right thing to do. Bethany losing to St. Scholastica last night pretty much shot thier C bid out the window and now they are looking to win 3 games today and tomorrow, 2 of which have to be over St. Scholatica. So I see it shaping up as so in that final ranking published or not.
1) UWSP - Wins WIAC tourney based on ridiculous format
2) UWW - C lock
3) CSS - UMAC tourney winner
4) UST - MIAC tourney winner (can't leapfrog CSS based on head to head)
5) Aurora / Conc Chi - NAC tourney champ (no C's here)
6) MAC / HAM - whoever makes the deep run to the finals
I could be way off, I just don't think the process is as demcratic as we all like to think.
Seems weird to me that MAC beats Concordia this year yet Concordia is ranked 6th regionally.
The national committee can also reconsider the regional committee recommendations.
I think someone gets shipped into the region instead of a second MIAC bid. (Laverne, a Mid-east team, Carthage, IWU, Buena Vista, etc)
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 13, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
I think someone gets shipped into the region instead of a second MIAC bid. (Laverne, a Mid-east team, Carthage, IWU, Buena Vista, etc)
I agree, but I don't think IWU should be on your list of possible teams to get shipped. They are hosting the Central regional, I think they will stay put.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2011, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 13, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
I think someone gets shipped into the region instead of a second MIAC bid. (Laverne, a Mid-east team, Carthage, IWU, Buena Vista, etc)
I agree, but I don't think IWU should be on your list of possible teams to get shipped. They are hosting the Central regional, I think they will stay put.
True... completely forgot that they were hosting.
What else can be said for day 1 of the tourney, pitching and defense equaled wins. Game 1 was a brilliant dual between Edwards and Kramer and it came down to the Tommies scratching out a run to get the 1-0 victory. Game 2 was well pitched but the defense cost MAC a chance to be sitting 1-0 with their horses back for tomorrow.
Ingram throws 6.1 and Mac scores 3 in the 9th to stay alive in MIAC tourney. St. Johns eliminated. Hamline vs St. Thomas starting shortly.
With Salzman & Brown out MAC still wins. Just shows how much grit this team has.
One game for all the marbles in the MIAC after the Tommies take care of business in game 1 today. Hamlines offense was not to impressive this morning, lets see if they can mount an attack for game 2. Tommies still have pitching to use.
Poor defense and a lack of execution may be the downfall of the Tommies. Edwards is in in the 8th and manages to allow 3 with walks and poor defense. Hamline gets bases loaded after Edwards walks a guy that is trying to bunt the runners over. Next pitch is a wild pitch that scores one, and Dorgan throws it passed a covering Edwards for another run. In the bottom of the 8th, Tommies down by 2. Freshman Arch now in the game with 1 out and a guy on first.
Nice to see the excitement of Hamline after winning, dont usually get to see that from the teams that are in the regional year in and year out
Congrats to Hamline on the MIAC Tourney title. Very well deserved, played well and played clean. Hopefully the Tommies have enough to get a C bid, but I think the season could be over.
What are everyone's thoughts on the all conference team and award winners?
2011 MIAC Baseball Awards
Max Molock Most Valuable Player - Tayler Rahm, St. Thomas
Mike Augustin Pitcher-of-the-Year - Ben Hughes, St. Olaf
Rookie-of-the-Year - J.D. Dorgan, St. Thomas
Jim Dimick Coach-of-the-Year - Matt Parrington, Macalester (12th season)
2011 MIAC All-Conference Team
http://www.miac-online.org/news/2011/5/13/BSB_0513115255.aspx
Can honestly say playing in the cage at Mac doesn't help your stats one bit. Slugging percentage and RBI's take a hiuge hit. Can't say I agree with MIAC and regional selections based on this fact.
Quote from: whoyathrowin on June 02, 2011, 12:20:28 PM
Can honestly say playing in the cage at Mac doesn't help your stats one bit. Slugging percentage and RBI's take a hiuge hit. Can't say I agree with MIAC and regional selections based on this fact.
What would your team be if you had to choose one?
are there mac players that didn't make the all regional team that should have?
Quote from: whoyathrowin on June 02, 2011, 12:20:28 PM
Can honestly say playing in the cage at Mac doesn't help your stats one bit. Slugging percentage and RBI's take a hiuge hit. Can't say I agree with MIAC and regional selections based on this fact.
Have to say that between Williams and Salzman one should have made the Regional team. A team that was picked 8th in the MIAC that tied UST for 1st while losing Glasser for numerous games had to get production elsewhere. A 40' fence is not a hitters dream unless you're a dead pull guy.
Quote from: whoyathrowin on June 02, 2011, 09:41:30 PM
Have to say that between Williams and Salzman one should have made the Regional team. A team that was picked 8th in the MIAC that tied UST for 1st while losing Glasser for numerous games had to get production elsewhere. A 40' fence is not a hitters dream unless you're a dead pull guy.
You could also make the argument that the dimensions made it
easier for MAC pitchers to make all-region.
You're absolutely correct the dimensions could very well have contributed to their success on the mound, problem is I'm not talking about pitching and the introduction of these new bats seems to have had a major effect throughout college baseball. Just voicing my opinion about the selections. You may not agree that Williams or Salzman should have made all region but .441 in the MIAC and .403 overall stands head and shoulders above many who were selected.
Guess what I was hearing was right on. Hughes did go in the top 10 rounds. Do you still think he should stay in the MIAC and go hone his pitches in the Northwoods league?
The Bethel baseball job just opened. Anyone have info on the likely candidates? Why is their former coach out?
Conflicting reports of fired, asked to leave & flat out quit.
FYI,
Former Tommie Matt Schuld just started his first AA game for the New Britain Rock Cats last night. It didn't go great, and seems to have just been a spot start, but Schuld does have 3.99 ERA in 70 IP in A+ this year.
Rumor has it that Jay Slick will be transferring to Augsburg this coming fall. Any word on if it is true and if so how do people feel about it? Wonder if it has anything to do with the removal of the Bethel coach.
Quote from: welsh27 on July 15, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
Rumor has it that Jay Slick will be transferring to Augsburg this coming fall. Any word on if it is true and if so how do people feel about it? Wonder if it has anything to do with the removal of the Bethel coach.
Bethel HAS to be close to hiring a coach at this point. It is going to be tough to get sellted in and going if it is not done soon. How has the recruiting suffered?
Quote from: welsh27 on July 15, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
Rumor has it that Jay Slick will be transferring to Augsburg this coming fall. Any word on if it is true and if so how do people feel about it? Wonder if it has anything to do with the removal of the Bethel coach.
My sources says it is not true. Slick is part of the interview committee for the new coach at Bethel.
I hear Bethel made a decision on their new leader. It will be interesting to see how it goes.
Quote from: username on August 14, 2011, 05:30:40 PM
I hear Bethel made a decision on their new leader. It will be interesting to see how it goes.
Care to share?
Without giving the name until it's officially announced I'll say it's a former Gopher star and pro player.
In case you haven't already seen, Bethel is going with Brian Raabe as their new head coach.
Any thoughts on who you guys think will be in the top 4? Who are the best players in the conference?
Quote from: M_I_A_C_Bsbl on September 11, 2011, 08:56:29 PM
Any thoughts on who you guys think will be in the top 4? Who are the best players in the conference?
Anyone?
Quote from: M_I_A_C_Bsbl on September 11, 2011, 08:56:29 PM
Any thoughts on who you guys think will be in the top 4? Who are the best players in the conference?
If you start with your own opinion, it's easier to draw in others. For what it's worth, I'll take St. Thomas, Hamline, St. Olaf and Bethel. What are your top four?
St. Thomas, Hamline, MAC and Bethel
St. Thomas, St. Olaf, Hamline and Bethel.
Quote from: M_I_A_C_Bsbl on January 09, 2012, 12:26:21 PM
Front runners for pitcher and player of the year?
I like UST catcher JD Dorgan to have a big year. Only now a sophomore, he was great last year hitting .390 and I'd expect that trend to improve this season.
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 09, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: M_I_A_C_Bsbl on January 09, 2012, 12:26:21 PM
Front runners for pitcher and player of the year?
I like UST catcher JD Dorgan to have a big year. Only now a sophomore, he was great last year hitting .390 and I'd expect that trend to improve this season.
That is a good pick. I'd say him, Glasser or Salzman from MAC or Slick from Bethel
Quote from: M_I_A_C_Bsbl on January 09, 2012, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 09, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: M_I_A_C_Bsbl on January 09, 2012, 12:26:21 PM
Front runners for pitcher and player of the year?
I like UST catcher JD Dorgan to have a big year. Only now a sophomore, he was great last year hitting .390 and I'd expect that trend to improve this season.
That is a good pick. I'd say him, Glasser or Salzman from MAC or Slick from Bethel
We played Bethel in Ft. Myers. Slick is a quality player.
I can see Salzman making the jump to elite player but not without an big jump in slugging percentage. Hitting .400 with a slugging percentage just over .500 last year means he is not a power guy which tend to be favored as player-of-the-year candidates. Also, he was not an RBI guy (22 total) for MAC so that needs to jump as well before he would be considered.
Secondly, Salzman is a DH (or at least appeared most often as a DH last year). I think the MIAC coaches would prefer to give nod to a guy that sees the field defensively. What is Salzman's defensive position?
Glasser is a 2B, Dorgan and Slick are catchers... not sure on Salzman (and I may be wrong and he may be set to play the field in 2012).
Salzman caught more than half of MACs games last year and saw limited time at 1B , but missed part of the playoffs due to injury. Judging by the stats listed on MACs site, looks like hes only made 7 errors in 3 years
What about pitching? We saw the new bat rule impact the style of play last year, and with Edwards, Hughes, and Kramer graduated who steps in to fill the void?
unrelated and not really a MIAC news item, but this morning's Strib reports that UW-Stout hired Toby Gardenhire as its new baseball coach.
top 4-- the usual 2 (UST & Olaf) along with Mac and Hamline. GAC, BU, SJU and Concordia all sleepers.
I think my 4 playoff squads go: 1. U$T 2. SJU 3. Hamline 4. Olaf.
Does Hamline have enough to stay up with the big boys? Their run seemed lucky last year, what do you guys think? Who did St. Thomas bring in from their recruiting class? Can Mac still compete with the loss of their two best pitchers?
^ In short form:
Yes: Hamline always struggles with depth but tend to have top end starters.
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Not sure: I'm sure it will be the conference's most talented class, per usual.
No: Flash in the pan; though, they will be tough at their home: ball off the wall central.
You really think Hamline has top end players? Who?
Isn't St. Thomas starting to lose some of the better recruits it was getting to other schools? I'm curious to see how Bethel will be with their new coach. Does anybody have an opinion on them?
Bethel should be better than they are/have been. They are in a great recruiting location (very close to some of the state's top high school programs). Minnesota recruits from the north and northeast generally have to drive past Bethel in order to get to any other MIAC school (excluding St. John's), so they are in a great spot. New coach, Brian Rabbe, will be a great addition to the program and his years as a high school coach helped build recruiting ties along the I-35/HWY 10 Corridor and that will help get players form top-end programs (Coon Rapids, Maple Grove, Forest Lake, Centennial, Blaine, etc...).
I think they will be improved, but it make take a few seasons before they make an impact at the top of the MIAC.
I don't know if I'd say that Hamline's run last year was lucky, they've been knocking on the door for a few years. I think Raabe's biggest thing is going to be recruiting, he hasn't done it yet and he'll have to learn pretty quickly. Other than that, I bet he'll be a great coach for Bethel.
I'm looking forward to catching some of the games in the dome, I think it's a wide open league this year.
Another year of MIAC ball about to begin and for the 2nd year in a row, there is no clear favorite. None of the upper crust are heavily filled with upper classman that would make them the team to beat. However I see three of the final four from last years playoffs back there again.
UST: Not the best offensive team in the league, but the way the young pitching staff was used last season sets them up to be the deepest staff in the league. The loss of Edwards is big in a must win situation and will hurt at Regional time but this staff will keep them in the top 2 spots in the regular season.
Hamline: Never discount what winning does for a teams psyche. The returners on this squad went through the grinder last year and prevailed as well as an impressive win over St. Schlastica in the regional. The core of that team is back as well as a large incoming group of recruits including some JUCO's, which from looking at their stats from last year should be complimentry players that will fill some holes left to graduation. Look for Hamline to be #3 come playoff time.
MAC: Mac should not have been a surprise to anyone with the team they brought back last season, but with the loss of Robinson & Ingram they will certainly need to fight for the fourth spot this season. Glasser will need to be the guy and take on the rest of the leagues #1 starters. The offense will certainly be the strong point of this team that still continued to score runs even when Salzman went down last season. This team will put pressure on teams and have a huge impact on the playoffs since they always seem to play the top teams very well and drop a few games they shouldn't to the bottom of the league.
Olaf: From out of the playoffs to a possible title? I'll be the first to admit that I crowned them early last year. And the way they played out of the gates last season there was reason. But a MONUMENTAL collepse in their defensive play was the downfall. Coach McDonald took a chance playing a lot of younger guys and I think that core will be even better this year. Throw into the mix a really solid recruiting class and I will say that they are in position to take the league title and hold onto it for a couple years!
Player of the Year: JD Dorgan
Pitcher of the Year: Mitch Glasser
Regular Season Champs: St. Olaf
Tournament Champs: UST
Regional Participants: UST & St. Olaf
I agree with you MIACLUV that there is not a clear favorite as there has been in years past. I think St. Thomas will win the regular season and Hamline will win the MIAC tournament. I am going to throw out Anders Drurak as my pick to win MIAC pitcher of the year... giving Olaf back to back pitcher of the year awards. I like your pick of Dorgan for player of the year, but I think a Hamline player will end up winning Player of the year (either King or Buck in particular). Should be a fun and interesting season.
Wow, who would have ever thought someone would pick Hamline to win the MIAC tournament? Let's not get ahead of ourselves, can they really repeat last year's magic? They lost some big players in Powell, Rogers, Modrynski and Kreitlow, did they replace those guys?
Dorgan is an animal, he's probably the front runner for player of the year. Dzurak, pitcher of the year? I doubt it.
My top four are UST, Macalester, St. John's, Concordia.
I see a lot of "top 4" predictions from this conference....does anybody have a full 1-11 rundown of expected finish?
@D3guy99...you must be absolutely crazy leaving Hamline out of your top 4.
Quote from: TheSportsFan on February 14, 2012, 01:44:37 PM
I see a lot of "top 4" predictions from this conference....does anybody have a full 1-11 rundown of expected finish?
The Top 4 make the playoffs so it doesn't really matter who finishes 5-11, but I can assure you St. Mary's will be last.
And the season is off with a Tommie sweep of St. Scholastica. Pitching dominated this two game set, as the Tommies rolled out three of their transfers to get the sweep. Steve Mehar (juco tranfer Iowa Central) started game 1 and pitched well giving up 2 in the 3rd, but settled in and went 6.1 only giving up the 2 on 7 hits. Game was turned over to Kubitschek (Mankato State transfer) who closed the door with 93-94 mph fastballs. Game 2 was started by what appears to be their #1 Dylan Thomas (juco transfer Des Moines Area CC) looking dominant to start striking out the side in the 1st and cruised into the 4th before CSS was able to plate 3. Thomas worked through to go 5.2 before getting into a jam in the 5th, but was bailed out by catcher JD Dorgan throwing behind a runner at first to kill a chance for CSS to widen the gap. Crazy play in the 6th got the Tommies back within a run in as a runner rounded 3rd and lost his footing and the CSS shortstops throw from shallow left was up the line allowing the Tommies to cut it to a 3-2 game. Some good aproach in the 9th gave the Tommies turned into a bases loaded 1 out oppurtunity for Dorgan who flied down the left field line past the diving left fielder to plate the tying an winning run.
Thoughts:
St. Thomas is LOADED on the mound. For a staff that returned the majority of it's innings pitched last season to add these arms isn't even fair. Mark Ulrich was the only returner that pitched in the two games for the Tommies. Offense is not as strong as years past, so there is some concern where run production is concerned, but if you aren't going to allow many, you done need to score many ;D
St. Scholastica is a good offensive team and the two pitchers used in the DH were definitely quality starters. Without a couple defensive lapses. it could have meant a sweep in their favor. Big question was why they never showed the Davis kid who pitched against the Tommies in the Regional last year? Limiting the amount they let the Tommies see him before a possible rematch in this years regional perhaps.
Great baseball to watch early in the year between two of the top teams in the Midwest. Both teams are Top 15 for sure.
I was very surprised and impressed by the new additions to the Tommies pitching staff. They are not going to miss Edwards at all with the new arms they can go to. I was also surprised not to see Davis last night for CSS. CSS has always went with their ace this first series of the year and I am pretty sure that Davis is the ace of CSS. I was also very impressed by the St Thomas center fielder. It is just like having another McQuillan for some years to come. I am anxious to see how much these two teams improve as the season progresses. Both teams have the pitching depth to win a regional, as evidenced last night.
I have a question for the MIAC faithful. Since most of your teams play a few games in the Metrodome each year, I figured you guys have a good chance of knowing the answer. I want to go watch my Pointers play in the dome against the Gusties but am unable to get there for most of the first game. When I looked up information on this sporting event, it says they play from 7-10 pm. It is supposed to be a doubleheader but does the Metrodome staff cut them off at 10?? If they can't finish the second game it probably isn't worth me making the trip over. Thanks in advance
From my experiences I believe they get 4 or 4 1/2 hours to complete the double header. While playing we did have one or two that we didn't finish and one where they even turned the lights out on us. I've never heard of only a 3 hour limit though so unless the first game is super high scoring and lasts well over 2 hours you should be able to see at least 5 or 6 innings in the nightcap.
Quote from: HarryDH on March 02, 2012, 05:13:35 PM
From my experiences I believe they get 4 or 4 1/2 hours to complete the double header. While playing we did have one or two that we didn't finish and one where they even turned the lights out on us. I've never heard of only a 3 hour limit though so unless the first game is super high scoring and lasts well over 2 hours you should be able to see at least 5 or 6 innings in the nightcap.
Thanks, I appreciate the response....sounds like I'll make the trip
Wow Hamline finally put out a sweep, bringing them to 4-4. Is it still a perfect 2-0 UST, 1-1 Mac and 4-4 Hamline at the top? Who follows? St. Johns? St. Olaf? How does everyone see the early game results go and how does it give an indicator on how the MIAC will go?
Really surpriesd to see St. Olaf at 0-4. CSS is a quality team, but losing two to North Park was a shock. What's up with the Oles?
Quote from: Just Bill on March 09, 2012, 11:59:39 AM
Really surpriesd to see St. Olaf at 0-4. CSS is a quality team, but losing two to North Park was a shock. What's up with the Oles?
I really like North Park this year. I have them in my current poll at #15 (and in the preseason poll as well). I think they are an up and coming program that consistently has been on the verge of breaking through and may do so this year on the national level. They are not a slouch program. I would have been more shocked to see the Oles take a pair from North Park.
I think I am one of the few that is as high on them this year as I am... and the polls would agree. Not much love NPU in the polls yet, but I think that may change soon.
In fact, I rated them as #1 in the Central Region in the preseason (though many disagreed with me).
Central Preview:
1. North Park
2. WashU
3. Carthage
Good to see things are back to normal at UST after the dismal start to last season. 9-3; pitching and defense. Conference champs. You heard it here first.
Actually therocket21 said it on February 12th and D3guy implied it by listing St Thomas first in his top 4 February 13th. Both over a month before you said it today. ;D ;)
Tommiegun- you are mking it sound like taking St. Thomas to win the MIAC is going out on a limb. I think most educated D3ers would do the same.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2012, 12:59:33 PM
Actually therocket21 said it on February 12th and D3guy implied it by listing St Thomas first in his top 4 February 13th. Both over a month before you said it today. ;D ;)
Or the Midwest Region preview (http://d3baseball.com/notables/2012/01/midwest-2012-preview) in January.
Is anyone else surprised with how good this Mehar kid is from St.Thomas. I had no clue that they would have an ace of this caliber for this year. He has already beaten the top three WIAC schools (shutting them all out to actually). I haven't had the chance to see him pitch yet. Is this kid really that good? It sounds on paper like he is another Schuld!
Good point... I wasn't first... but I did also call it on January 19.
Maher is a frickin stud. Really live arm. Saw him flame against Whitewater.
Quote from: tommiegun on March 21, 2012, 04:09:20 PM
Maher is a frickin stud. Really live arm. Saw him flame against Whitewater.
He gets my vote as WIAC Pitcher of the Year for 2012!!! ;D
I'd be willing to bet that there won't be another pitcher that picks up individual victories over Stevens Point, Whitewater, and Oshkosh this season.
Btw-Where did Maher transfer from?
Quote from: cubs on March 22, 2012, 09:01:30 PM
Btw-Where did Maher transfer from?
Iowa Central Community College...only pitched 9 nnings there before getting hurt
Are there Tommies v Johnnies live stats anywhere?
It is clear as we approach the midway point in conference that the Tommies are the creme of the crop. They play great defense, have fantastic pitching, and can put together hits when they need to. How does everyone else feel about the rest of the conference? The johnnies have some pitching, auggies have been playing well, and mac picked up two big wins over bethel tues. I think unless something crazy happens come conf tourney time the MIAC is a one bid conference. And if that is the case who all will be in the midwest region given the folks on the WIAC board feel they are also a one bid conference?
Quote from: welsh27 on April 12, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
It is clear as we approach the midway point in conference that the Tommies are the creme of the crop. They play great defense, have fantastic pitching, and can put together hits when they need to. How does everyone else feel about the rest of the conference? The johnnies have some pitching, auggies have been playing well, and mac picked up two big wins over bethel tues. I think unless something crazy happens come conf tourney time the MIAC is a one bid conference. And if that is the case who all will be in the midwest region given the folks on the WIAC board feel they are also a one bid conference?
The UMAC is clearly a one bid conference as well, so that leaves 2 options. The NATHC and shipping teams in from elsewhere. Personally I think there will be a second MIAC or WIAC team who makes the grade.
Moving the Central regional to Tennessee makes it easier for them to send a Central team to Whitewater (likely MWC or CCIW).
Interesting to think about Big Poppa, I did not realize that. Who is up top in the CCIW with North Park? Carthage? I don't know enough about the MWC to comment on that. Biggio I hope you are correct and we see a second MIAC or WIAC school in the tourney.
If I was to take a stab at what the Midwest Regional would look like right now, this would be my take:
1. St. Thomas
2/3. WIAC Tournament Winner
2/3. CCIW #2
4-6. MWC Tournament Winner, UMAC Tournament Winner, NathCon Winner or #2?
I would think the NathCon winner would get shipped to the Central as long as they are in the 500 mile radius. Would it be out of the realm of possibility that the NathCon could get two teams in, say Aurora and Concordia IL?
Quote from: cubs on April 12, 2012, 07:08:26 PM
Would it be out of the realm of possibility that the NathCon could get two teams in, say Aurora and Concordia IL?
Not out of the realm at all, especially if Conc Ill wins their tourney. Aurora with somewhere between 6 and 8 losses would have a very good shot at making it in I would think.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 12, 2012, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 12, 2012, 07:08:26 PM
Would it be out of the realm of possibility that the NathCon could get two teams in, say Aurora and Concordia IL?
Not out of the realm at all, especially if Conc Ill wins their tourney. Aurora with somewhere between 6 and 8 losses would have a very good shot at making it in I would think.
If that indeed happens, it just further cements my thoughts on the WIAC only getting one team in this season, the winner of the WIAC Tournament.
So is St. Thomas the best team in this region? Or will UWSP or another WIAC team beat them when it counts in Whitewater in May?
Quote from: wiacguy on April 12, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
So is St. Thomas the best team in this region? Or will UWSP or another WIAC team beat them when it counts in Whitewater in May?
That is a hard question to try to answer right now. Talking about midwest teams only and based on the results thus far I would say there are six or seven teams in the Midwest region who have a legit shot. St Thomas has to be the front runner because of their depth on the mound, but it seems after the Tommie's there are no other teams that are playing consistently well. That doesn't mean they aren't capable of catching fire and winning a regional though. Make it in and see what happens.
Quote from: wiacguy on April 12, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
So is St. Thomas the best team in this region? Or will UWSP or another WIAC team beat them when it counts in Whitewater in May?
If I was tro make a wager right now and I had to take St. Thomas or the field of Midwest Region teams, right now I would take St. Thomas. The trio of Maher, Gapinski, and Thomas are going to be tough to beat. UST's 2.33 team ERA is IMPRESSIVE!!!!
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2012, 12:20:18 AM
Quote from: wiacguy on April 12, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
So is St. Thomas the best team in this region? Or will UWSP or another WIAC team beat them when it counts in Whitewater in May?
If I was tro make a wager right now and I had to take St. Thomas or the field of Midwest Region teams, right now I would take St. Thomas. The trio of Maher, Gapinski, and Thomas are going to be tough to beat. UST's 2.33 team ERA is IMPRESSIVE!!!!
Especially when you consider who they have played!
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 13, 2012, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2012, 12:20:18 AM
Quote from: wiacguy on April 12, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
So is St. Thomas the best team in this region? Or will UWSP or another WIAC team beat them when it counts in Whitewater in May?
If I was tro make a wager right now and I had to take St. Thomas or the field of Midwest Region teams, right now I would take St. Thomas. The trio of Maher, Gapinski, and Thomas are going to be tough to beat. UST's 2.33 team ERA is IMPRESSIVE!!!!
Especially when you consider who they have played!
One thing that I found interesting is that UST is 5-3 against the WIAC, while throwing their #1 and #2 most games. Does that mean the WIAC isn't quite as "down" as some (including myself) may think when you compare them to the MIAC?
I don't think anyone (at least an educated reader) is considering that the MIAC is a stronger conference than the WIAC. The MIAC has one solid team (UST) while the WIAC had 3-4 teams that could make a run (UWW, UWSP, UWO, and LAX).
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2012, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 13, 2012, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2012, 12:20:18 AM
Quote from: wiacguy on April 12, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
So is St. Thomas the best team in this region? Or will UWSP or another WIAC team beat them when it counts in Whitewater in May?
If I was tro make a wager right now and I had to take St. Thomas or the field of Midwest Region teams, right now I would take St. Thomas. The trio of Maher, Gapinski, and Thomas are going to be tough to beat. UST's 2.33 team ERA is IMPRESSIVE!!!!
Especially when you consider who they have played!
One thing that I found interesting is that UST is 5-3 against the WIAC, while throwing their #1 and #2 most games. Does that mean the WIAC isn't quite as "down" as some (including myself) may think when you compare them to the MIAC?
Great point. I think WIAC could still get 2 teams, esp since UW-Lax and UWSP have already played and split. The league seems a little stronger top to bottom than usual, though might not have the one outstanding club. Even Superior's actually not bad.
I would agree and say that typically when conferences are "down" it revolves around the fact that there is not a clear creme of the crop. I am a MIAC fan at heart, but the WIAC is a stronger conference come national tournament time. Lax's Scray has beaten St Thomas, but also been beaten by Mac. I think the WIAC top teams are more posed for a national tournament run then the top 4 of the MIAC because of depth on the hill, with the exception of St Thomas. They have guys who threw 30 innings last year who have thrown less than 10 this year. They will be dangerous in a weekend tourney. Though who knows maybe they got hot too early?
Overall the MIAC is 20-17 vs. the WIAC
MIAC:
St Thomas...5-3
Macalester...4-4
St Johns......2-2
Augsburg.....2-0
Bethel..........1-1
Gustavous...0-2
Concordia....0-0
Carleton.......0-0
St Olaf..........2-1
Hamiline........2-3
St Marys.......2-1
WIAC:
LaCrosse....2-2
WHITEWATER.....2-2
Stevens Point...4-2
Stout......3-3
Oshkosh....3-6
Superior.....3-5
Platteville....0-0
Quote from: welsh27 on April 13, 2012, 11:53:13 AM
I would agree and say that typically when conferences are "down" it revolves around the fact that there is not a clear creme of the crop.
I think this is exactly it. The WIAC is not really "down", it's just a more balanced conference than it typically has been. We see more losses and split series than we are used to seeing, but that is not really an indication that the conference is down. The top teams have the ability to beat anyone in the country.
Also, I wouldn't sleep on the other conference winners who make it into the Midwest regional. Aurora is having an impressive year and their innings are well spread throughout what appears to be a deep staff. They were very competitive last year at the regional and appear to have most of their top guys back. (Who can tell us more about them??) I don't think this regional comes down to just a battle of the WIAC vs the MIAC.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 13, 2012, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: welsh27 on April 13, 2012, 11:53:13 AM
I would agree and say that typically when conferences are "down" it revolves around the fact that there is not a clear creme of the crop.
I think this is exactly it. The WIAC is not really "down", it's just a more balanced conference than it typically has been. We see more losses and split series than we are used to seeing, but that is not really an indication that the conference is down. The top teams have the ability to beat anyone in the country.
Also, I wouldn't sleep on the other conference winners who make it into the Midwest regional. Aurora is having an impressive year and their innings are well spread throughout what appears to be a deep staff. They were very competitive last year at the regional and appear to have most of their top guys back. (Who can tell us more about them??) I don't think this regional comes down to just a battle of the WIAC vs the MIAC.
I think the MWC winner moves to the Midwest regional... most likely closer than the Central regional in Tennessee. Possibly the IIAC winner as well.
So what I'm reading is this, NOBODY from the midwest is going to get a C-bid? I find that to be a stretch. The NCAA putting the Central Regional in Millington, TN was a huge blunder on their part. Especially since the IIAC favorite (Central) is 570 miles away. Even to think that they could jockey the conference winners around say from the NAC to that site doesn't work. Aurora is 516 miles and Conc-Chi is 528 miles. So the NCAA put themselves in this mess. However is what most of you are saying is true the Regional should go something like this:
#1 seed: St. Thomas (MIAC Winner)
#2 seed: Aurora (NAC Winner)
#3 seed: Stevens Point (WIAC Winner)
#4 seed: St. Scholastica (UMAC Winner)
#5 seed: Central College (IIAC Winner)
#6 seed: MWC Winner (Flip a coin they are all bad)
When its all said and done there will be a 2nd WIAC in the mix. The SOS's of the top 4 teams in the conference will get a 2nd one in. SOS is the biggest hangup that the commitee lives and dies by. There will be a 2nd WIAC, a strong contender (Conc-Chi) out of the NAC, not likely a 2nd MIAC, No chance of a C-bid out of UMAC, MWC, IIAC.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 13, 2012, 03:01:41 PM
I don't think this regional comes down to just a battle of the WIAC vs the MIAC.
This regional almost always comes down to WIAC v. WIAC or MIAC v. WIAC; I'd be shocked if that wasn't the case this year.
I also wouldn't necessarily peg UST as the regional favorite based on the tourney location. Unless things have changed in the last couple years, Prucha is a cracker box and the WIAC teams are all built to mash taters - something that does not bode well for a team based on pitching and defense.
As far as WIAC vs MIAC goes the Tommies are the clear cut MIAC favorite. I think Any of the Top 4 WIAC's have a chance. I wouldn't discount St. Scholastica or Aurora either though. St. Scholastica should have swept the Tommies in the first series of the year and swept LAX. also Aurora has an entire regional team back from last year.
Quote from: tommiegun on April 13, 2012, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 13, 2012, 03:01:41 PM
I don't think this regional comes down to just a battle of the WIAC vs the MIAC.
This regional almost always comes down to WIAC v. WIAC or MIAC v. WIAC; I'd be shocked if that wasn't the case this year.
Here's the data to your theory going back a little:
2011: Whitewater over St. Scholastica (WIAC vs UMAC)
2010: Whitewater over Point (WIAC vs WIAC)
2009: Tommies over St. Olaf (MIAC vs MIAC)
2008: Whitewater over St. Scholastica (WIAC vs UMAC)
2007: Point over Oshkosh (WIAC vs WIAC)
2006: Point over Ripon (WIAC over MWC)
2005: Whitwater over Point (WIAC vs WIAC)
2004: Whitewater over Tommies (WIAC vs MIAC) --BOO
2003: Oshkosh over Whitewater (WIAC vs WIAC)
2002: Lakeland over Ripon (LMC vs MWC)
2001: Tommies over Ripon (MIAC vs MWC)
You were only 50% right about what it normally comes down to. But in my book 50% of the time it works everytime!
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 13, 2012, 06:02:49 PM
Quote from: tommiegun on April 13, 2012, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 13, 2012, 03:01:41 PM
I don't think this regional comes down to just a battle of the WIAC vs the MIAC.
This regional almost always comes down to WIAC v. WIAC or MIAC v. WIAC; I'd be shocked if that wasn't the case this year.
Here's the data to your theory going back a little:
2011: Whitewater over St. Scholastica (WIAC vs UMAC)
2010: Whitewater over Point (WIAC vs WIAC)
2009: Tommies over St. Olaf (MIAC vs MIAC)
2008: Whitewater over St. Scholastica (WIAC vs UMAC)
2007: Point over Oshkosh (WIAC vs WIAC)
2006: Point over Ripon (WIAC over MWC)
2005: Whitwater over Point (WIAC vs WIAC)
2004: Whitewater over Tommies (WIAC vs MIAC) --BOO
2003: Oshkosh over Whitewater (WIAC vs WIAC)
2002: Lakeland over Ripon (LMC vs MWC)
2001: Tommies over Ripon (MIAC vs MWC)
You were only 50% right about what it normally comes down to. But in my book 50% of the time it works everytime!
But it is true that one of the two leagues wins it almost every year.
wow how the mighty have fallen. I never thought Id see the day that Olaf would be in last place in the MIAC at the halfway point. What has happened down there?
meanwhile, Augs and BU continue to surprise me by haning in the race for 2nd place with Mac and USJ.
Olaf doesnt play any defense anymore...... 7 errors today against UST. Also they dont have the pitching depth they used to
What I meant was one of the two leagues always wins.
Time to start moving in the playoff hunt upcoming series this weekend:
3rd - 7th place still within 2 games of each other. Tommies (12-0) and St. Johns (7-3) sitting comfortably at this point.
* T-4th Augsburg (7-5) @ #3 Bethel (6-4)
* #2 St. Johns (7-3) @ T-7th St. Marys (4-6)
* T-7th Carleton (4-6) @ #11 St. Olaf (2-10)--hard to believe
* T-4th Mac (7-5) @ #6 Conc. Moor (5-7)
* T-7th GAC (4-6) @ #10 Hamline (2-8)
* Tommies - No games until Monday @ Bethany Lutheran
Just over the halfway point of the Conference season and the biggest surprises are not in the teams doing well but the 2 teams at the bottom, Hamline & Olaf. Poor defense and pitching has been a killer to both of these squads.
So Jason Verdugo is the new AD at Hamline. I wonder who will be the new head coach there?
I wonder if the experience interviewing for the St. Thomas job helped here. ;)
Quote from: D3guy99 on April 24, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
So Jason Verdugo is the new AD at Hamline. I wonder who will be the new head coach there?
Does him getting the AD job mean he automatically will not be the head coach? Was it announced that he won't be coaching anymore?
The article only talked about the fact that he would not be coaching for the St. Paul Saints. Assume he would Coach and be the AD. Very common at the D3 level.
He didn't interview for the AD position at St. Thomas
How common is it for an AD to be a head coach? I'm sure he could probably do it.
It will be interesting to see. What if he isn't the coach? Will there be a lot of interest in that job given the level that program has risen to in the past 10 years?
You're right, he didn't interview for the St. Thomas AD job, but did interview for the St. Thomas baseball job during his own teams fall season. That was the joke. As for you're inquiry about coaches/AD's Matt McDonald at Olaf has done this for years, Mark Fohl and Morris multiple sports as well as AD. Very common. Any college job will gather interest but Hamline would get some quality candidates.
Maybe it's over my head, I don't understand what the joke is. I didn't know about the other guys as AD and coach. I would think that Hamline would be an attractive job. I wonder who would apply.
I already know two guys that plan to apply should it truly be an open job. Hamline website alluded to the fact there would be some type of transition for a baseball coach. Makes it sound like it is open...
Maybe he'll stay or they will keep it in-house. They are down this year but I think it's a place that can win.
Quote from: D3guy99 on April 24, 2012, 10:29:06 PM
Maybe he'll stay or they will keep it in-house. They are down this year but I think it's a place that can win.
Or maybe.... Olean will apply for the job.
Clinched. To use golf terminology, 7 and 6.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 24, 2012, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: D3guy99 on April 24, 2012, 10:29:06 PM
Maybe he'll stay or they will keep it in-house. They are down this year but I think it's a place that can win.
Or maybe.... Olean will apply for the job.
+k.... now that's funny!
"Verdugo will determine a transition plan for Hamline's next head baseball coach."
The above is taken directly from Hamline's Athletic webpage. Seems clear that being AD and Head Baseball Coach is not an option for Verdugo.
I don't think its that uncommon for a coach to be the AD at a D3 school. Case in point, Steve Fritz was the men's basketball coach and AD at UST for several years.
Quote from: tommiegun on April 25, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
I don't think its that uncommon for a coach to be the AD at a D3 school. Case in point, Steve Fritz was the men's basketball coach and AD at UST for several years.
I think it is very common to do both at the D3 level, but I am guessing that Verdugo has chosen to step down from baseball and was not forced to choose one or the other.
Well there is no official word yet on him stepping down at all. Even if he did the best candidates would probably be in-house wouldn't you think? Who else would be a good candidate? BigPoppa seems to know of a few.
Quote from: D3guy99 on April 25, 2012, 11:46:47 AM
Well there is no official word yet on him stepping down at all. Even if he did the best candidates would probably be in-house wouldn't you think? Who else would be a good candidate? BigPoppa seems to know of a few.
By stating on the website they will determine a plan for the
NEXT baseball coach, it makes me think that he is not going to be the head coach anymore. To me,
NEXT implies a change... unless I am reading it wrong.
Sounds like Hamline Baseball is looking for a new coach, hopefully whoever they bring in can recruit against UST, tough to do with the UST reputation.
Also I wanted to see what people around the MIAC thought about regional rankings. Six teams will make it but I wanted to get peoples thoughts on ranking them. I dont really know how good St. Johns and the NATHC teams are so I am going off records alone, but are any of those teams dangerous in a regional setting? I heard St. Johns has some good arms.
1. UST
2. Lacrosse
3. Stevens Point
4. St. Scholastica
5. Whitewater
6. Rockford
7. St. Johns (MN)
8. Aurora
Quote from: wiacguy on April 25, 2012, 03:16:18 PM
Sounds like Hamline Baseball is looking for a new coach, hopefully whoever they bring in can recruit against UST, tough to do with the UST reputation.
Recruiting is about energy and the relationship you build with the recruit. Hamline might be smart to go after a top local high school coach with solid access to local recruits and built-in relationships with their high school coaches. I know of one local Hamline grad that is a fantastic high school coach and has produced many top players at his school... including a few of Hamline's current recruits.
Quote from: wiacguy on April 25, 2012, 03:16:18 PM
Sounds like Hamline Baseball is looking for a new coach, hopefully whoever they bring in can recruit against UST, tough to do with the UST reputation.
Also I wanted to see what people around the MIAC thought about regional rankings. Six teams will make it but I wanted to get peoples thoughts on ranking them. I dont really know how good St. Johns and the NATHC teams are so I am going off records alone, but are any of those teams dangerous in a regional setting? I heard St. Johns has some good arms.
1. UST
2. Lacrosse
3. Stevens Point
4. St. Scholastica
5. Whitewater
6. Rockford
7. St. Johns (MN)
8. Aurora
I have not seen the Johnnies play this season. Both Aurora and Concordia Chicago can win a regional.
And I don't know if it's tougher to recruit against UST's reputation or its resources. My hunch is the latter is tougher.
The Hamline job is the most interesting to me. There are 5-6 MIAC/UMAC schools within 6 miles of Hamline(even the Gophers are only 8-10 miles away)... one would think that many top MIAC/UMAC(U of MN?) assistants would apply simply because they would not even need to relocate in order to take the head Hamline job. Anyone know who would be a good fit there? Are there any local high school coaches that would make the jump and fit (like Denning did from Cretin-Derham Hall to St. Thomas... and Rabbe did from Forest Lake to Bethel)?
I like to catch as many games as I can in the Metrodome and it always seems like Hamline's assistant coaches are they scouting every game - I see them way more than any other MIAC staff. Maybe if Verdugo is truly stepping aside he might hand it over to his assistants? BigPoppa, you must be referring to coach Urdahl from St. Anthony. Never having done it myself, I can only speculate that making that jump from high school to college is pretty difficult. I'll bet that Verdugo stays on after all of this. I'm surprised we haven't seen anything from Username on this, he seems like a Hamline homer.
Hey D3guy99 who are you calling out? You think because you put up a couple of posts in here that you can just call people out? I never said I'm a Hamline homer, the only homer here is MIACLUV and he's self admitted - he worships at the temple of Chris Olean. All I was saying was that Hamline was doing some exciting things last year and it was refreshing to see a new team making those kind of waves. Coach Verdugo has done a heck of a job over there. I bet he stays on as the head coach. So just chill out D3guy99.
I appreciate the kind words of Username, though Olean is only a Cardinal in the church of Denning. Hamline would be a very desirable job outside of having to answer to Jason Verdugo on a daily basis. It would be a tough situation to bring in an outsider to take the program with the rest of your staff still on board there and being passed over. However I don't know if there is one singular person on the staff ready to assume that role, there may be. But with the candidates that would apply for that gig not only from the Twin Cities area high schools & Colleges, there will also be plenty of interest from the outsides including D1 assistants from good programs.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 25, 2012, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: tommiegun on April 25, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
I don't think its that uncommon for a coach to be the AD at a D3 school. Case in point, Steve Fritz was the men's basketball coach and AD at UST for several years.
I think it is very common to do both at the D3 level, but I am guessing that Verdugo has chosen to step down from baseball and was not forced to choose one or the other.
It was maybe common a decade ago but not anymore.
Quote from: username on April 27, 2012, 10:33:46 AM
Hey D3guy99 who are you calling out? You think because you put up a couple of posts in here that you can just call people out? I never said I'm a Hamline homer, the only homer here is MIACLUV and he's self admitted - he worships at the temple of Chris Olean. All I was saying was that Hamline was doing some exciting things last year and it was refreshing to see a new team making those kind of waves. Coach Verdugo has done a heck of a job over there. I bet he stays on as the head coach. So just chill out D3guy99.
You guys use the same IP address. Why don't you just put the keyboard down and talk to each other and leave us out of it? :)
Congrats to the Tommies on the 2012 MIAC title! St. Johns looks to be in good shaper for 2nd, but after that is anyones guess, 5 teams still have a chance at the final two slots. Either way it's the Tommies tournament to lose.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 29, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
Congrats to the Tommies on the 2012 MIAC title! St. Johns looks to be in good shaper for 2nd, but after that is anyones guess, 5 teams still have a chance at the final two slots. Either way it's the Tommies tournament to lose.
This is an amazing team. Of their 28 wins, they scored 5 or less runs in 17 of them, and 9 of their wins were one run games. It's an old and tired saying, but this Tommies team is the proof (and the truth) that pitching and defense wins games. They are going to be hard to be beat.
Congrats to UST on its TENTH consecutive MIAC title, extending their conference record for repeat championships. They should be motivated for the season finale with GAC, as a sweep would make them the first team to ever go unbeaten in MIAC play since the schedules explanded to 20 games (I tink back in the day of 16 game schedules there was an unbeaten champ but I'm not certain when or who).
I played around with the remaining schedule, and if both AUG and MAC can sweep SJU (not a gigantic stretch of the imagination) and other DHs split out in the right way, we could end up with six way tie for second place between the Auggies, Johns, Scots, Cobbers, Royals and Cards--- I would not want to begin trying to unravel the tiebreaker scenarios of that mess!
Moving day in the MIAC playoff race. Six teams in contention for the final 3 spots.
MIAC Standings
1) St Thomas 18-0
2) St. Johns 11-5
3) Bethel 8-8
St. Marys 8-8
Augsburg 9-9
Conc Moor 9-9
Macalester 9-9
8) Gustavus 6-10
9) Carleton 5-11
Hamline 5-11
11) St. Olaf
Todays Matchups:
Gustavus @ St. Olaf
St. Mary's @ Hamline
Carleton @ Bethel
Macalester @ St. John's
The MIAC tourney is now set:
#1 St. Thomas vs #4 St. Mary's
#2 St. Johns vs #3 Bethel
Bethel takes the #3 spot via todays sweep of Conc. Moorhead
St. Mary's gets the #4 after finishing tied in the standings with Augsburg, and advanced on the 2-0 record vs the Augies.
Congrats to 4th year Head Coach Nick Winecke on his first MIAC Tournament and to first year Bethel Head Coach Brian Raabe on his first of many.
Tournament to start Friday at Minnetonka's Vetrans Field
Tournament web site: http://miac-online.org/sports/2011/9/7/BSB_0907111648.aspx?path=baseball
Anyone who had those four, raise your hand. The top three were mentioned at the beginning of the year. But congrats to Saint Mary's for finishing in fourth place for the first time since 2002. The Cards received 12 points in the 11-team MIAC's preseason poll.
The Metrodome took another step on the plank today with the Minnesota House vote. The Senate vote (maybe tomorrow) will go a long way in determining whether the dome gets the wrecking ball. Oh yeah, and whether the Vikings get a new stadium or whatever (Go Pack Go!). Skol Vikings, I guess.
Today is the day! Tommies & St. Mary's get the ball rolling at 3pm at Minnetonka's Vetrans field on the 2012 MIAC Tournament. Possible thunderstorms in the forcast although by looking at the weather map, I'm not seeing it. Rain chances have gone down in the last 24 hours, and Vetrans field is turf so all signs poit to getting the start in as scheduled. I like Gapinski to start game 1, he went complete and shut out the Cardinals earlier this season.
Tournament Predictions:
Game 1: Tommies over St. Marys
Game 2: St. John's over Bethel
Game 3: Bethel over St. Marys (St. Mary's Eliminated)
Game 4: Tommies over St. Johns (3-2 Mahar bounces back after poor outing)
Game 5: Bethel over St. Johns (after St. Johns top 2 it gets pretty thin--St. Johns Eliminated)
Game 6: Tommies over Bethel (Tommies keep a Pool C available for bubble teams)
How did you not pick Saint Mary's to beat St. Thomas? Gotta love it. Biggest upset in MIAC Baseball Playoff history?
Hope UST's Dylan Thomas is OK. He left the game after tumbling from the turf mound twice.
Haven't yet heard how Thomas is yet, should be able to return though, did not appear to be a serious issue. The bigger issue was that lack of offense displayed by the Tommies. Its not the grind out run type of offense of old, when in all reality would have suited this game well. Dominick was outstanding only allowing 1 hit through 8 innings. As good as the pitching is I believe the Tommies are better suited to come back through and win this tournament. However it will take more offense than 1 or 2 runs.
Congrats to SJU on winning the MIAC baseball playoffs for the first time ever. Their reward: a trip to McMinnville and the #6 seed in the (very very tough) West Region.
UST, #2 in the nation, is top seed in the Midwest Region, to be played at UW-W.
Good luck to both teams!
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2012/05/playoff-field
Quote from: miacmaniac on May 14, 2012, 10:24:40 AM
Congrats to SJU on winning the MIAC baseball playoffs for the first time ever. Their reward: a trip to McMinnville and the #6 seed in the (very very tough) West Region.
UMMM... I think I'd rather be in the West than the Midwest. I'll be honest, I don't know much about the top teams in the west, but I would guess the midwest with St. Thomas, LAX, WW etc is going to be a bit tougher to win. So... I actually think SJU got a nice deal, if Zimmerman can win (and I think he is capable of beating anyone) their first game, they are sitting pretty and would have a chance to go deep into that regional.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 14, 2012, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: miacmaniac on May 14, 2012, 10:24:40 AM
Congrats to SJU on winning the MIAC baseball playoffs for the first time ever. Their reward: a trip to McMinnville and the #6 seed in the (very very tough) West Region.
UMMM... I think I'd rather be in the West than the Midwest. I'll be honest, I don't know much about the top teams in the west, but I would guess the midwest with St. Thomas, LAX, WW etc is going to be a bit tougher to win. So... I actually think SJU got a nice deal, if Zimmerman can win (and I think he is capable of beating anyone) their first game, they are sitting pretty and would have a chance to go deep into that regional.
hmmm...SJU two & done. maybe the west was a tad tougher than expected?
Ladies, gentlemen and cheeseheads-- your 2012 Midwest Region Champions--- the University of St. Thomas!!!
Congrats to St Thomas and good luck in Appleton. You left no doubt about who had the best team in the regional.
Just looking at the midwest all regional teams... they must really put a lot of stock into batting average because I think Dorgan from St. Thomas is the best catcher in the midwest... the third basemen Bruchu from St. Thomas got robbed too and he has all regional type stats
I watched them both have nice tournaments this weekend in Whitewater, hard to believe there is three better catchers than Dorgan. I watched moody, the first teamer from Scholastica as well and I would take Dorgan over him in a heart beat.
St. Thomas got a nice regional championship. I wish they hadnt got so many breaks to gain the edge over whitewater, looks to be a rivalry for the next couple of years though as both teams are young, especially on offense
Quote from: wiacguy on May 22, 2012, 01:29:02 AM
Just looking at the midwest all regional teams... they must really put a lot of stock into batting average because I think Dorgan from St. Thomas is the best catcher in the midwest... the third basemen Bruchu from St. Thomas got robbed too and he has all regional type stats
I watched them both have nice tournaments this weekend in Whitewater, hard to believe there is three better catchers than Dorgan. I watched moody, the first teamer from Scholastica as well and I would take Dorgan over him in a heart beat.
Bruchu had real nice numbers so I'm with you there. Dorgan was a dissapointment this year after a terrific freshman season. He's very good defensively, but refuses to hit breaking balls and teams have figured that out and the stats show it. He had a great regional, but it hasn't been that good all season. Skala is the best defensive catcher in the region hands down and was drafted last season. Can only assume that his numbers have dropped because teams are refusing to pitch to him based on what he did last season which was impressive. Schilter of Point is well rounded and very good on both sides of the plate and will be again next year. And Moody is not going to be missed by the Tommies, we've faced him 2-4 times a year and has always been pretty good against us. All Conf & All whatever teams are always numbers based, so no surprise these 3 are on the list and JD's not.
congrats to Mac's Mitch Glasser for getting drafted in Round 39 by the White Sox. He's the lone MIAC draftee
Whats happening in the MIAC? Any interesting newcomers that should be on the radar? Did the Tommies add to their arsenal with a few more dominant transfers? Did the Johnnies finish their new field or is it still in the works? Who's got the best freshman class?
I have the winter blues already and it's not winter yet. Let's fire up this room!
Good start for the Tommies last night with the sweep over Coe. Maher was his normal dominant self going complete allowing 3 hits. Bats got rolling late in the first game and continued on into game two with Gerber's HR. The Freshman Toedt was sharp only allowing 1 hit in his first outing. Thomas came in and seemed to be over th plate alot so Coe was able to get the timing down, but for a first outing they have to be pleased. Pitching will carry this team once again with depth that will be un-matched in the Midwest. I have to think they are setting this up to have Maher start 1 vs St. Scholastica and Thomas to start 1 vs Whitewater with Toedt starting Game 2 in one of those outings. I know it's two games in to the season, but Who's finishing 2nd in the MIAC?
No ones beating st Thomas this year could see them losing less than 3 games all year. Point losing seidl really hurt their chances of maybe knocking them off. I don't know if whitewater has the pitching to beat them either. Lacrosse on other hand may have a chance if effertz can be as dominate as I've heard he can be.
Quote from: ShineTime on February 25, 2013, 07:36:51 PM
No ones beating st Thomas this year could see them losing less than 3 games all year. Point losing seidl really hurt their chances of maybe knocking them off. I don't know if whitewater has the pitching to beat them either. Lacrosse on other hand may have a chance if effertz can be as dominate as I've heard he can be.
Yes the pitching matchups could make it interesting. A split like last year would have to be seen as a good day's work by La Crosse. Besides playing an excellent team, it's gotta be hard to be on a diamond for the first time since October while your opponent has already played six games in the dome.
So far the the MIAC is 14-6 and the Pre-season bottom 4 is taking care of the like of the UMAC "Top" teams. However that 14-6 includes the WIAC as well. Looking forward to the next couple weeks, Tommies vs St. Scholastica and Tommies vs Warhawks. Pitching decisions get a little easier after seeing the box score of CSS and MAC, Tommies should be able to hold there top 3 for the Warhawks. Tommies looked stacked and see them losing very few games this year!
Tommies do look stacked for this year. I hear Peterson, their new 1b, rakes and it seems as if they didn't loose a step on the mound this year even after loosing Gapinski. I am curious to see who Scholastica throws against them. Andy Davis did beat them two years ago, but I am not sure if he is healthy or not this year. Either way I am excited to see the CSS Tommies matchup this Monday.
oh man the tommies look awesome. who in the MIAC can stand in their way? maybe bethel can give them some competition or st. john's.
Quote from: username on March 12, 2013, 11:47:48 AM
oh man the tommies look awesome. who in the MIAC can stand in their way? maybe bethel can give them some competition or st. john's.
well st john's sure didnt. but that park up there is gonna be nice by next season when its done
No St. John's definitely didn't stand in their way. What's up with St. John's? How did Hamline sweep them???
St. Thomas seems unbeatable.
Quote from: username on May 01, 2013, 02:33:33 PM
No St. John's definitely didn't stand in their way. What's up with St. John's? How did Hamline sweep them???
St. Thomas seems unbeatable.
Unbeatable?? They have four losses, so clearly they are beatable. You better bring your A game, but it's not impossible.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 02, 2013, 10:00:24 AM
Quote from: username on May 01, 2013, 02:33:33 PM
No St. John's definitely didn't stand in their way. What's up with St. John's? How did Hamline sweep them???
St. Thomas seems unbeatable.
Unbeatable?? They have four losses, so clearly they are beatable. You better bring your A game, but it's not impossible.
Maybe teams just got lucky those four times.
Would have to agree with Biggio. It seems to me that the Tommies pitching staff was much more dominant last year. Maher is still very good, but it doesn't seem like he is dominating teams like he was last year. Still, they will run away with the MIAC regular season, but not sure how well they will do in the regional.
I have to go with Biggo too. But their lineup is impressive, hitting is consistent, defense is solid and the pitching staff is strong and deep, which makes them extremely formidable. When you win 16-1, 11-1, 11-3, 10-1, etc over the teams that are supposed to be the next-best of your conference, that is pretty close to unbeatable.
Hopefully, everybody gets their 20 games in and the MIAC Playoffs with be the traditional double-elim event. (altho I do kinda like what they are doing in softball this year with everyone in to start)
Quote from: miacmaniac on May 02, 2013, 02:51:04 PM
I have to go with Biggo too. But their lineup is impressive, hitting is consistent, defense is solid and the pitching staff is strong and deep, which makes them extremely formidable. When you win 16-1, 11-1, 11-3, 10-1, etc over the teams that are supposed to be the next-best of your conference, that is pretty close to unbeatable.
Hopefully, everybody gets their 20 games in and the MIAC Playoffs with be the traditional double-elim event. (altho I do kinda like what they are doing in softball this year with everyone in to start)
Who would you say is supposed to be the next best in the conference?
No one ;)
Another thing that going 16-1, 11-1, 11-3, 10-1 etc. over the teams that are supposed to be the next best says is that those teams really aren't very good. The Tommies have split with all three WIAC teams (LaCrosse, Stevens Point and WHITEWATER) that they've played and Saint Scholastica who are probably the best out of conference teams they've faced. They have wins over Fontbonne (18-19), Dubuque (10-22) and DePauw (16-21) none of whom are very good. Chicago (11 losses) and Coe (12 losses) are decent teams.
With that being said I will say that the Tommies have a very good program and having seen them several times over these past few years are very competitive. I'm looking forward to seeing them again in the regional. I've had interactions with your coaching staff and they are all good guys.
Quote from: username on May 02, 2013, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: miacmaniac on May 02, 2013, 02:51:04 PM
I have to go with Biggo too. But their lineup is impressive, hitting is consistent, defense is solid and the pitching staff is strong and deep, which makes them extremely formidable. When you win 16-1, 11-1, 11-3, 10-1, etc over the teams that are supposed to be the next-best of your conference, that is pretty close to unbeatable.
Hopefully, everybody gets their 20 games in and the MIAC Playoffs with be the traditional double-elim event. (altho I do kinda like what they are doing in softball this year with everyone in to start)
Who would you say is supposed to be the next best in the conference?
The coaches' preseason poll put SJU, Concordia, Bethel and St. Olaf in the thick of the battle for playoff spots along with UST. So far, UST has had little challenge from those, although they have yet to play Bethel.
Well, we now know UST is indeed beatable....all it takes is a stellar pitching effort. Rowley was in total control, while Thomas matched him most of the game...1 shaky inning for Thomas was the difference. I'd been looking forward to this DH in hopes of a Rowley/Thomas showdown and I was not disappointed.
Even with the loss, UST clinches at worst a tie for the MIAC regular season championship, tbheir 11th in a row. A win Monday in either game vs GAC gives them the titles outright and the #1 seed in the Playoffs, regardless of the format.
Maybe Rowley Vs. Thomas will be a rematch in the playoffs? If its a 4 team format, BU HAS to win out and needs some help.
I think teams are not in any hurry to get the games in since it works out to be a six team single elimination conf tournament if all the games aren't played. That is the only chance I see for the Tommies to get knocked out and a 2nd MIAC bid. Rowley was outstanding and his defense made some real nice plays behind him to squash any thing the Tommie offense could muster. I believe last year at this time the general opinion was that the Tommies didn't have an offense to win a regional, but that worked out well. This year the offense has been very solid and I look at this team to prevail.
assuming weather holds this week, all games will be played by end of day TH with the exception of the SJU/Olaf doubleheader. My understanding is that a decision will be made Weds whether it will be a 4 team double elim tourney or a 6 team single elim. If they go with a 6 team format, UST and the 2nd place finisher will have byes on FR, and 3 plays 6, 4 vs 5. UST plays the lower remaining seed on Sat & the #2 gets the other. Winners meet on Sun.
Not sure who exactly is going to maybe the MIAC tournament of 6 teams? Currently there are 5 teams tied with a .500 winning percentage for 4th place. There are still games today (St. Marys at Concordia) (Augsburg at Olaf) that could change some of those 500 teams. Anyone know what they are going to do if there are 5 or six teams tied for the 4-6 seeds? What is going to be the tiebreaker? I heard that they are not going to do head to head record as a tiebreaker.
Don't know how they determined it, but Augsburg is the 3 and plays St. Olaf. Byes go to UST and Concordia-Moorhead.
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 09, 2013, 10:46:34 PM
Don't know how they determined it, but Augsburg is the 3 and plays St. Olaf. Byes go to UST and Concordia-Moorhead.
there are predetermined tiebreakers that were used to determine seeding. Augsburg & Concordia tied for 2nd, but Cord had the tiebreaker over Augs. Initially there was a miscalculation of the tiebreakers between the 5 teams tied for 4th place, but upon revision, Bethel got the 4 seed, SJU the 5 and SMU the 6, leaving Olaf and GAC on the outside. Its all explained here:
http://www.miac-online.org/news/2013/5/9/BSB_0509130823.aspx
the first of (hopefully) many pro signings from this year's senior class:
http://hamlineathletics.com/news/2013/5/16/BB_0516135528.aspx
Quote from: miacmaniac on May 16, 2013, 01:29:27 PM
the first of (hopefully) many pro signings from this year's senior class:
http://hamlineathletics.com/news/2013/5/16/BB_0516135528.aspx
Did anyone get a chance to see Radmacher? Is he that good?
Augsburg pitcher Tyler Beck named 80 th best prospect in Northwoods league last summer.
http://www.northwoodsleague.com/pdf/2013-NWL-Top-200-Prospects.pdf
80. Tyler Beck, rhp, Alexandria Blue Anchors (Augsburg)
Another Blue Anchor pitcher, this time, one of the workhorses of the Northwoods League. Beck went 73 innings over 19 appearances and 11 starts, holding a 4.51 ERA and a 1-6 record. He struck out 44 while holding opponents to a .268 batting average.
Still up in the air about the Tommie opener, not sure we're quite as good as a 9-2 victory over St. Scholastica. The bats went completely asleep one CSS got someone in that could throw the ball over the plate. The benefit of a bad call on the interference was a huge break. Then to look very average in the Buena game should have woken this team up. We can pitch no doubt but look very average at the plate, good hitters shouldn't look so easy to get out!
I think the Tommies will be just fine this year. I think their lineup will be much better than it showed this first weekend, they have a good combination of speed at the top of their lineup and pop in the middle. Every year they play sound defense and have a deep pitching staff, which is, in my opinion, what helps to win those Friday and Saturday games in a regional.
Scholastica's staff definitely needs to cut down on the walks. I felt that they were deeper this year as a pitching staff than years past, but maybe I was wrong. They did get two solid outings from Davis and Risse to at a few positives from their first few games.
MIAC tourney starts today. St. Johns and Tommies to start and Bethal and St. Marys the night game. I going to predict and upset and say that Johns and Bethel will win today. Justin Thompson has quietly had himself an All-American type season for the Johnnies, he currently leads the nation in ERA. Any other predictions? Seems like it has been an entire MIAC season and we haven't done much talking about it on her.
Does anyone know why Tyler Peterson isn't in the lineup for UST? Is he hurt or something?
Some trouble at St. Olaf:
http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_27801241/st-olaf-cancels-baseball-season-after-hazing-incident
I hate tos see that happen. Was the whole team involved or individuals? Is this a case of zeroe tolerance? Where all are punished for the avtions of a few? I wish we had more details.
I have heard second hand, that the violations themselves while hazing, weren't horribly bad. The school was planning on issuing some suspensions to the violators and moving on. However, the team members decided to uniformly deny everything, even when directly confronted with the evidence that the school had collected. Since team members were lying and attempting to cover up the incidents, the school decided to escalate the penalty. Again, this was a second hand report.
So indirectly the whole team was involved. That's too bad. Will the other teams perhaps make up some of those lost games by playing each other in ooc contests, is it possible to pick up some games against other non conference shools at this late date? With the weather are teams in the area trying to pick up some games?
Here is a story with a little more detail...
http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/297841441.html
That is too bad. If they would have just been willing to take responsibility for their actions, they would still be playing.
I have heard that St. Olaf Administration is making this into a much bigger deal than it actually was. The term hazing is used in the article, and from what I have gathered, hazing is not what occurred. A suspension of 2-4 games would have been more suitable in my opinion. But, then again, I may not be hearing all of the facts of this situation.
Quote from: therocket21 on March 31, 2015, 08:57:17 AM
I have heard that St. Olaf Administration is making this into a much bigger deal than it actually was. The term hazing is used in the article, and from what I have gathered, hazing is not what occurred. A suspension of 2-4 games would have been more suitable in my opinion. But, then again, I may not be hearing all of the facts of this situation.
are you denying any of this? "Generally speaking, the investigation revealed conduct that constitutes ridicule, harassment, and public displays of servitude under St. Olaf's hazing policy," the school said in a press release. "The incidents also involved the underage consumption of alcohol."
It seems clear, it wasn't the hazing as much as the lying about the hazing. The cover-up is often worse than the crime.
Rocket, Just as Bill says it was the cover up. If it was not so bad they should of gotten their day in "court" and explained themselves and taken the suspension. But since they lied and covered up they now will pay the price.
Yes, I completely understand if it was the cover up. With an event like this, there are going to be a lot of different versions of the story. It so happens that the version I have heard sounds more like a team joke or tradition as opposed to a hazing incident. As for the cover up, I have heard multiple things, so I think it would be better if I didn't say anything.
Please understand, I am not trying to bash St. Olaf for taking action on this, they know the true story and and I am getting the 2nd or 3rd version of what really went on. Especially with the severity of past hazing incidents at the college level, I am not surprised that they have taken a zero tolerance stance.
Well with the MIAC season about halfway through, St. Thomas and Bethel have proved to be the front runners once again. Is this actually the year that St. Thomas does not win the MIAC? I have not seen Bethel play yet, but St. Thomas has definitely not lived up to the hype they received before the season. Then again, St. Thomas always seems to really turn it on towards the last two weeks of the season. It looks like it is going to be a cluster of teams all fighting for the 3rd and 4th place spots in the MIAC, which is no different than any past years.
I think Bethel is a very good challenger for UST this year (I am a bit biased as I have quite a few former players on Bethel's roster... as well as Northwestern's). But seeing which players Bethel signed out of our HS conference was impressive. I feel Bryce Marquart could be one the nation's best by the time his career finishes(He is NOT on of mine, but he killed me for a few seasons).
Yes, Marquart has put up some great numbers this year at the top of the Bethel lineup. I think I am more impressed with their pitchers. They shutout an offensively sound Carleton team not once, but twice last weekend. Next Tuesday they will be playing the Tommies, which will be a fun series to watch.
After a crazy Saturday in MIAC play, St. Thomas now sits in 3rd place with Bethel and St. Marys in the top 2 places. Although St. Thomas is not as good as past years, I must say that I believe other MIAC teams are beginning to take steps forward in becoming high quality teams. Concordia, St. Johns, and Carleton are all teams that I believe could win a regional game, (St.Johns just beat Scholastica this weekend). And, Bethel just may be the best team in the conference. Marquardt is the real deal and Bethel's pitching staff seems to be doing nothing but throwing shutouts as of late. I think the MIAC Conference has gotten significantly stronger as a whole the past 3 years which is great for for the state of MN and the Midwest region.
Is there any chance the MIAC gets two bids in the regional this year? I feel Bethel could still get a Pool C bid if they don't win the conference tourney. They have a couple big regional wins. They split with Stout, and swept UW-Platteville (who is currently first in the WIAC) and UW- Superior.
The regional rankings should be interesting. Do those happen soon? It seems that there are not really any dominate teams in the region other than Whitewater. Anyone care to take a stab at the rankings? I haven't seen or followed it enough to make an educated guess but I always enjoy seeing other people's takes.
Quote from: therocket21 on April 23, 2015, 11:52:32 AM
Is there any chance the MIAC gets two bids in the regional this year? I feel Bethel could still get a Pool C bid if they don't win the conference tourney. They have a couple big regional wins. They split with Stout, and swept UW-Platteville (who is currently first in the WIAC) and UW- Superior.
Stout and Superior have combined for a grand total of TWO WIAC wins (that weren't against each other) in 22 total WIAC contests. I definitely wouldn't be using those to "make a case" for a Pool C bid. (Still can't understand how Stout managed to sweep St. Thomas this season, even with the Tommies having a "down" season.)
Now the sweep against Platteville on the other hand COULD be HUGE in Bethel's chances for a Pool C bid if both are up for consideration, which is a possibility. (I actually believe Platteville ends up finishing in 3rd place in the WIAC (still four left against Whitewater and two against La Crosse.) If that happens though, the two wins against Platteville lose some luster as well.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 23, 2015, 12:21:00 PM
The regional rankings should be interesting. Do those happen soon? It seems that there are not really any dominate teams in the region other than Whitewater. Anyone care to take a stab at the rankings? I haven't seen or followed it enough to make an educated guess but I always enjoy seeing other people's takes.
Regional Rankings actually get released today....
I'll take a stab at them... (Probably WAY off!!!! ;D)
1. Whitewater
2. Bethel
3. Stevens Point (2 Whitewater losses not factored in yet and SOS in #4 in Nation)
4. La Crosse (2 Platteville losses not figured in yet and SOS is #2 in Nation)
5. St. Scholastica
6. St. John's or St. Thomas (Couldn't decide...)
I don't have a NathCon team making the rankings....
1. Whitewater 2. Bethel. 3. Platteville. 4. St. Scholastica 5. LaCrosse 6. St. Thomas
Quote from: ShineTime on April 23, 2015, 03:29:49 PM
1. Whitewater 2. Bethel. 3. Platteville. 4. St. Scholastica 5. LaCrosse 6. St. Thomas
I would be shocked if Platteville is #3 in the Midwest Region with a SOS # of 109....
Quote from: cubs on April 23, 2015, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: therocket21 on April 23, 2015, 11:52:32 AM
Is there any chance the MIAC gets two bids in the regional this year? I feel Bethel could still get a Pool C bid if they don't win the conference tourney. They have a couple big regional wins. They split with Stout, and swept UW-Platteville (who is currently first in the WIAC) and UW- Superior.
Stout and Superior have combined for a grand total of TWO WIAC wins (that weren't against each other) in 22 total WIAC contests. I definitely wouldn't be using those to "make a case" for a Pool C bid. (Still can't understand how Stout managed to sweep St. Thomas this season, even with the Tommies having a "down" season.)
Now the sweep against Platteville on the other hand COULD be HUGE in Bethel's chances for a Pool C bid if both are up for consideration, which is a possibility. (I actually believe Platteville ends up finishing in 3rd place in the WIAC (still four left against Whitewater and two against La Crosse.) If that happens though, the two wins against Platteville lose some luster as well.
I wasn't trying to make a case for Bethel's wins over UW-Superior and Stout, I was more so listing their wins against non-conference, in region opponents. But, I do agree that if Platteville finishes strong, I could definitely see Bethel getting a Pool C.
1. UWW 2. LAX 3. Bethel 4. UWSP 5. Conc-Moorhead 6. Plateville
WIAC holding Top 3 places.....
MIDWEST REGION
1 Wis.-La Crosse 18-8-0 ( 0.692) 18-8-0 ( 0.692)
2 Wis.-Whitewater 21-4-0 ( 0.840) 21-4-0 ( 0.840)
3 Wis.-Stevens Point 19-9-0 ( 0.679) 19-9-0 ( 0.679)
4 Concordia-M'head 17-6-0 ( 0.739) 18-7-0 ( 0.720)
5 Bethel (MN) 22-5-0 ( 0.815) 22-5-0 ( 0.815)
6 Saint Mary's (MN) 21-6-0 ( 0.778) 21-6-0 ( 0.778)
I am guessing La Crosse can thank their high SOS number for earning the #1 spot!!!
Quote from: biggio34 on April 23, 2015, 05:25:29 PM
1. UWW 2. LAX 3. Bethel 4. UWSP 5. Conc-Moorhead 6. Plateville
Biggio EASILY the closest with his predictions!!!!
Nice Work!!!! You probably would have hit all six if not for Platteville's poor SOS.
Quote from: cubs on April 24, 2015, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 23, 2015, 05:25:29 PM
1. UWW 2. LAX 3. Bethel 4. UWSP 5. Conc-Moorhead 6. Plateville
Biggio EASILY the closest with his predictions!!!!
Nice Work!!!! You probably would have hit all six if not for Platteville's poor SOS.
For some reason I do not think these rankings will hold up next week. :) Let's see how the weekend plays out, but if UWW isnt #1 next week I will be shocked. 3 Miac's in the rankings... I wonder when the last time that happened?
Quote from: biggio34 on April 24, 2015, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: cubs on April 24, 2015, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 23, 2015, 05:25:29 PM
1. UWW 2. LAX 3. Bethel 4. UWSP 5. Conc-Moorhead 6. Plateville
Biggio EASILY the closest with his predictions!!!!
Nice Work!!!! You probably would have hit all six if not for Platteville's poor SOS.
For some reason I do not think these rankings will hold up next week. :) Let's see how the weekend plays out, but if UWW isnt #1 next week I will be shocked. 3 Miac's in the rankings... I wonder when the last time that happened?
I will have to agree with Biggio,I would be very surprised if Whitewater is not in the top spot next week as well. St. Mary's will drop out next week, and Bethel will jump in front of Conc-Moorhead, if Conc-Moorhead is still ranked.
What a terrible, awfuly, no-good, really bad year the Tommies are having this year. I haven't been following closely, but what is going on?
Quote from: tommiegun on April 28, 2015, 11:04:33 AM
What a terrible, awfuly, no-good, really bad year the Tommies are having this year. I haven't been following closely, but what is going on?
Just a wild guess (and I know nothing about the situation), but sometimes coaches have success with other(former) coach's players. It's possible that Olean's first recruiting class or two did not pan out as expected and they are the upperclassmen right now being depended on for leadership and production.
A lot of the players the last few years (In which St. Thomas had successful seasons) have been recruited by Olean. (Dorgan, Maher, T. Peterson, Kuzniar, Dylan Thomas, etc...) I think that St. Thomas lost a lot offensively, and they believed they were going to be about 7 or 8 arms deep this year. Their pitching staff has definitely not even come close to living up to the hype that they were receiving at the beginning of the year. I think Olean was even quoted before the season started that he thought it was the most talented pitching staff he has ever had.
So, to answer it; I don't think it is Olean reaping the benefits of Denning's players. I think the players he has recruited (especially the pitchers) have not performed as were expected.
First look, their 5.87 ERA definitely isn't helping.
It looks like their top two pitchers from last year have taken a huge step back this season. Not sure if that is the other teams improving or if they are fatigued or coming off injuries.
2014: Wendinger - 11 starts, 71 IP, 2.79 ERA
2015: Wendinger - 6 starts, 25.2 IP, 8.42 ERA
2014: Veglahn - 10 starts, 69.2 IP, 1.55 ERA
2015: Veglahn - 6 starts, 41.1 IP, 4.14 ERA
Quote from: Westside on April 28, 2015, 12:42:13 PM
First look, their 5.87 ERA definitely isn't helping.
It looks like their top two pitchers from last year have taken a huge step back this season. Not sure if that is the other teams improving or if they are fatigued or coming off injuries.
2014: Wendinger - 11 starts, 71 IP, 2.79 ERA
2015: Wendinger - 6 starts, 25.2 IP, 8.42 ERA
2014: Veglahn - 10 starts, 69.2 IP, 1.55 ERA
2015: Veglahn - 6 starts, 41.1 IP, 4.14 ERA
I'm not sure what is going on with them as well. It's not a matter of talent, because it was evident last year that both of them have extremely good stuff.It was shown when Veglahn shut out Linfield in the first round World Series last year.
Quote from: therocket21 on April 28, 2015, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Westside on April 28, 2015, 12:42:13 PM
First look, their 5.87 ERA definitely isn't helping.
It looks like their top two pitchers from last year have taken a huge step back this season. Not sure if that is the other teams improving or if they are fatigued or coming off injuries.
2014: Wendinger - 11 starts, 71 IP, 2.79 ERA
2015: Wendinger - 6 starts, 25.2 IP, 8.42 ERA
2014: Veglahn - 10 starts, 69.2 IP, 1.55 ERA
2015: Veglahn - 6 starts, 41.1 IP, 4.14 ERA
I'm not sure what is going on with them as well. It's not a matter of talent, because it was evident last year that both of them have extremely good stuff.It was shown when Veglahn shut out Linfield in the first round World Series last year.
Agreed, Veglahn's World Series opener was one of the most dominant D3 pitching performances I have seen. I thought Veglahn was as good as PLU's Trevor Lubking was last year, and Lubking was the first D3 player drafted. He definitely has electric stuff, not sure what is going on.
Sad day in Tommie land! Terrible regular season (although it was a decent schedule) and just as the hopes got up yesterday that the ship was righted, WHAM kicked in the nuts by the most inconsistent offense in Tommie memory. Olean has done a great job recruiting, he gets a lot of high end talent players and the transfers that fall in his lap boggles the mind, but what they are when they get there is a what they will be when they leave. Not sure how much development actually happens. Some of these juniors and seniors still have the same bad habits they had as freshman, and the early success that they've had may have made them a little to content.
Good Luck to St. Johns because they will be the only MIAC representative, Bethel & Conc Mo's chances went bye bye when the Central favorites started to fall. Bethel could do some damage and would have gotten a good look without the 0-2 stinker they just put up.
Too bad it would be nice to go to a regional in Wisconsin and NOT have it in Whitewater.
Was Bryce Marquart hurt during the MIAC tournament? I was looking at the box scores and didn't see his name in any of Bethel's games.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 10, 2015, 10:33:22 PM
Sad day in Tommie land! Terrible regular season (although it was a decent schedule) and just as the hopes got up yesterday that the ship was righted, WHAM kicked in the nuts by the most inconsistent offense in Tommie memory. Olean has done a great job recruiting, he gets a lot of high end talent players and the transfers that fall in his lap boggles the mind, but what they are when they get there is a what they will be when they leave. Not sure how much development actually happens. Some of these juniors and seniors still have the same bad habits they had as freshman, and the early success that they've had may have made them a little to content.
Good Luck to St. Johns because they will be the only MIAC representative, Bethel & Conc Mo's chances went bye bye when the Central favorites started to fall. Bethel could do some damage and would have gotten a good look without the 0-2 stinker they just put up.
Too bad it would be nice to go to a regional in Wisconsin and NOT have it in Whitewater.
The name of the game at the college level is player development. All kids arrive with some talent, but likely fell to D3 because of some flaws. The programs that develop those kids and polish those flaws best are likely the programs still playing this week. I think Bethel is set to replace St. Thomas as the elite program in the MIAC. A young talented team that is sure to make an impact next year.
Cobbers will win the MIAC this year.
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 11, 2016, 03:41:02 PM
Cobbers will win the MIAC this year.
That's a BOLD statement. Care to expand on why you feel that way? I only ask as I know of no other source that would make the same statement. I see the MIAC as a two-team race between Bethel and St. Thomas... all others are scrambling for the final two playoff spots.
I have to agree with St. Thomas and Bethel being the teams to beat. I know Concordia can swing it, but do they really have the pitching depth to win the MIAC this year?
What are the expectations for St. Mary's this year? Respectable start, so are they equipped to play at the top of the conference all spring?
Quote from: D3SportsFan on March 25, 2016, 11:15:32 AM
What are the expectations for St. Mary's this year? Respectable start, so are they equipped to play at the top of the conference all spring?
I think they'll compete for a playoff spot, but I can't see them making a run at the top two spots. Still, so many other factors are at play that you never know. If they keep themselves in position and catch a break or two it could be a chance to run to the top.
Doesn't look like anyone visits this page but I'll post anyway. While battling insomnia, I came across a nice field upgrade for Gustavus Adolphus that just finished Phase 1 on their baseball facility.
Old field- https://gustavus.edu/athletics/facilities/gustavusfield
New Field- https://athletics.blog.gustavus.edu/2017/11/07/phase-one-of-gustie-baseball-field-renovation-complete/
Looks pretty nice to me and I am sure more and more teams in cold weather areas are moving to turf.
With the new field lines, looks like there won't be much foul territory. It looks like it will be nice.
Quote from: Jack Parkman on November 08, 2017, 02:45:41 AM
Doesn't look like anyone visits this page but I'll post anyway. While battling insomnia, I came across a nice field upgrade for Gustavus Adolphus that just finished Phase 1 on their baseball facility.
Old field- https://gustavus.edu/athletics/facilities/gustavusfield
New Field- https://athletics.blog.gustavus.edu/2017/11/07/phase-one-of-gustie-baseball-field-renovation-complete/
Looks pretty nice to me and I am sure more and more teams in cold weather areas are moving to turf.
No press box...
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2017, 02:48:36 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on November 08, 2017, 02:45:41 AM
Doesn't look like anyone visits this page but I'll post anyway. While battling insomnia, I came across a nice field upgrade for Gustavus Adolphus that just finished Phase 1 on their baseball facility.
Old field- https://gustavus.edu/athletics/facilities/gustavusfield
New Field- https://athletics.blog.gustavus.edu/2017/11/07/phase-one-of-gustie-baseball-field-renovation-complete/
Looks pretty nice to me and I am sure more and more teams in cold weather areas are moving to turf.
No press box...
Press box coming in Phase 2
Quote from: Jack Parkman on November 09, 2017, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2017, 02:48:36 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on November 08, 2017, 02:45:41 AM
Doesn't look like anyone visits this page but I'll post anyway. While battling insomnia, I came across a nice field upgrade for Gustavus Adolphus that just finished Phase 1 on their baseball facility.
Old field- https://gustavus.edu/athletics/facilities/gustavusfield
New Field- https://athletics.blog.gustavus.edu/2017/11/07/phase-one-of-gustie-baseball-field-renovation-complete/
Looks pretty nice to me and I am sure more and more teams in cold weather areas are moving to turf.
No press box...
Press box coming in Phase 2
Thanks.