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2005 STANDINGS: UMAC OVERALL
ST. SCHOLASTICA 19-1-1 36-7-1
MARTIN LUTHER 17-4 20-13
NORTHWESTERN 12-9 16-20
NORTHLAND 11-9-1 19-19-2
UM-MORRIS 9-12 10-20
BETHANY LUTH 8-13 12-26
CROWN 6-15 8-29
PRESENTATION 1-20 7-31
Anybody see it finishing any different this year? Can anybody in the UMAC play with St. Scholastica??
NCAA Division III Regional
at Witter Field, Wisconsin Rapids
Wednesday, May 17
Game 1 – 9:30 a.m. - #5 UW-Stevens Point (29-15) vs. #4 St. Scholastica (36-4)
Game 2 – 1 p.m. - #2 St. Olaf (28-8) vs. #7 Dominican (21-19)
Game 3 – 4:30 p.m. - #3 St. Thomas (29-9) vs. #6 Coe (26-17)
Game 4 – 8 p.m. - #1 Ripon (31-5) vs. Game 1 winner
Thursday, May 18
Game 5 – 9:30 a.m. - Loser Game 2 vs. Loser Game 3
Game 6 – 1 p.m. - Winner Game 2 vs. Winner Game 3
Game 7 – 4:30 p.m. - Loser Game 4 vs. Winner Game 5
Game 8 – 8 p.m. - Loser Game 1 vs. Loser Game 6
Friday, May 19
Game 9 – Noon - Winner Game 4 vs. Winner Game 6
Game 10 – 3:30 p.m. - Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 8
Game 11 – 7 p.m. - Loser Game 9 vs. Winner Game 10
Saturday, May 20
Game 12 – Noon - Winner Game 9 vs. Winner Game 11
Game 13 – 4 p.m. - if necessary
Replying to BigPoppa's question last spring, "Anybody see it finishing any different this year? Can anybody in the UMAC play with St. Scholastica?"
Bethany Lutheran moved up in the UMAC from 6th to 3rd and looked pretty competitive against Scholastica - Bethany led 3-0 going into the 9th in the Friday game of an April weekend series, but couldn't hold on, losing 4-3. I predict that Bethany will hand St. Scholastica at least one conference loss in 2007, and contend for the conference championship.
Quote from: RHPFan on September 08, 2006, 02:51:16 PM
Bethany Lutheran moved up in the UMAC from 6th to 3rd and looked pretty competitive against Scholastica - Bethany led 3-0 going into the 9th in the Friday game of an April weekend series, but couldn't hold on, losing 4-3. I predict that Bethany will hand St. Scholastica at least one conference loss in 2007, and contend for the conference championship.
Does it still look like Bethany can pull of an upset (or two) this year? Somebody needs to step up and challenge St. Scholastica for the UMAC title. Who has the best shot to knock them off?
2007 will belong to St. Scholastica again. They lost only 1 starter from last years team that advanced to the Midwest region and won their opening round game against Stevens Point. Surprisingly the Saints are not ranked even though they were ranked as high as 3 in the country last year despite losing only one starter.
Bethany Lutheran will most likely be second and have the only chance of taking a game from the Saints
Welcome aboard -- any St. Scholastica fans, baseball, basketball or football, would be great to see around here.
Don't count out Northwestern out of the race to beat Scholastica. Northwestern took 2 out of 3 from Bethany last year, and like Scholastica lost very few, though quality, players from last years squad.
update: Clearly, CSS is still the class of the conference, but with a 2-1 Bethany victory, perhaps parity is not quite as far away as once thought.
THE UMAC was looking lonely so I will give it a preview.
CSS wins again enough said!
What the the UMAC standings looking like? Has anyone played a conference game yet?
Current UMAC standings
1) Martin Luther College 1-0
2) Bethany Lutheran 2-1
Northwestern 2-1
4) Minnesota-Morris 1-2
5) St. Scholastica 0-0
Presentation 0-0
Crown 0-0
8) Northland 0-2
Its strange to see St. Scholastica in the 5th spot.... even if they havent played a game. Do any of these teams have a shot at beating CSS even once this year?
Quote from: xyz123 on April 07, 2008, 04:05:31 PM
Its strange to see St. Scholastica in the 5th spot.... even if they havent played a game. Do any of these teams have a shot at beating CSS even once this year?
Northwestern and Bethany Lutheran have been the next best the last 2 years. Bethany Lutheran even managed a win last year on a walk off homerun. I wouldnt count on either of them winning one though, I believe both of them are down this year and the rest of the UMAC isnt very good. The thing that might help these teams is that CSS as of right now has to play 25 games by May 3 their last scheduled game (about 25 days) so maybe a team can steal a game from CSS since they will be averaging a game a day.
Maybe Scholastica should play split squad games against some of those UMAC teams... A. To get their games in and B. To make the games more competitive.
Would that even be legal, cause the more I think about it, the more it sounds like a great idea. :)
Quote from: xyz123 on April 08, 2008, 10:44:56 AM
Maybe Scholastica should play split squad games against some of those UMAC teams... A. To get their games in and B. To make the games more competitive.
Would that even be legal, cause the more I think about it, the more it sounds like a great idea. :)
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Yea would be a great idea if you can win every game but not likely so not really a great idea. Im not sure if it would be legal but dont see why it wouldnt be
"Yea would be a great idea if you can win every game but not likely so not really a great idea. Im not sure if it would be legal but dont see why it wouldnt be"
I'm pretty sure that the worst scrub team that Scholastica would put together would still easily be able to be the likes of Crown and Martin Luther. I've seen these teams play before, alot of high school teams would kill them.
Quote from: xyz123 on April 09, 2008, 09:33:58 AM
"Yea would be a great idea if you can win every game but not likely so not really a great idea. Im not sure if it would be legal but dont see why it wouldnt be"
I'm pretty sure that the worst scrub team that Scholastica would put together would still easily be able to be the likes of Crown and Martin Luther. I've seen these teams play before, alot of high school teams would kill them.
This is true! Still its pretty hard to go perfect every day
actually scholastica does usually throw out 3 totally different lineups when they play the bottom of that league and they throw the bottom half of the rotation to eat up innings
Nice start for Bethany. LOL. Five pitchers combined for a 7-inning no-no (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/?page=f09ncbl1) against North Central in the opener for both teams at the Dome. Bethany won (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/?page=f09ncbl2) game two, 10-1.
Quote from: OshDude on February 10, 2009, 10:06:58 AM
Nice start for Bethany. LOL. Five pitchers combined for a 7-inning no-no (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/?page=f09ncbl1) against North Central in the opener for both teams at the Dome. Bethany won (http://www.blc.edu/athletics/baseball/stats/?page=f09ncbl2) game two, 10-1.
Thanks Oshdude for picking up my slack on the UMAC
My deepest sympathies to the Saints family on the loss of Coach Baggs.
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/johnbaggs
This board is lonely and needs alittle run. If you are bored at work today, CSS is playing Bethany in a double header at 1pm (CST) and the games are on the radio.
You can stream it from here http://www.webc560.com/common/gap_streamer.php
Bethany has been having a pretty good year and they are undefeated in conference play heading into today's games. Likely whoever wins this series will win the conference.
Judging on the box scores from earlier in the week, Bethany used the #1 on Tuesday vs MLC, but CSS should have their top guns ready to throw today. This is about as good as it gets in the UMAC.
Saints lead Bethany 8-2 after 4 innings in game 1. Lots of unearned runs for CSS as Bethany has been sloppy in the field.
Saints lead 9-2 going into bottom of 7, put in a sophomore pitcher who is not a regular, he doesn't record an out, they kick it around, balls hit kids in the face, but they get a big double play and hold on to win 9-7 with the winning run on base for Bethany.
Sounds like quite the thriller for the UMAC. Seems like a typical St. Scholastica game, that they can get a lead early, get their young guys some work, and always stop it if it looks like it is getting out of hand. Even though the young guys may have a rough time early, it is probably why so many are successful when upperclassmen. Thanks for the updates on the web.
CSS won game 2 yesterday against Bethany 11-1, sounded like they cleaned up the D and the bats came to life. Saints are 7-0 in UMAC and Bethany is now 5-2 in second place in the conference standings. CSS takes on Morris in a DH today at 2pm and it will be on the air again.
CSS pounded Minnesota Morris twice yesterday 12-0 and 10-2.Lots of guys saw action for the Saints.
Honestly, I dont really consider that a pounding.
OK they scratched by them 12-0.
Quote from: dukes on April 11, 2009, 10:14:22 PM
Honestly, I dont really consider that a pounding.
What would you consider a pounding?
Quote from: biggio34 on April 12, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
What would you consider a pounding?
Well, by scores of 12-0 and 10-2 and 7-1 for the weekend, I have seen much worse. While I don't have a great definition of a pounding, the best initial thing I would give you is giving no chance for the other team to be in the game.
I expect St. Scholastica to win those games, and honestly expect a ten run spread in most UMAC contests. 12-0 sounds great, but when you look at the box, CSS combined for 26 hits in three games, which is good but not a pounding. Also, Game three finished 7-1, but was 4-1 after 7.
What would you consider a pounding?
I would agree maybe pounded was a bad word,but 29-3 over 3 games is anything but a nail biter. CSS tends maybe to play down to the competition but a win is a win. They do seem to win no matter who they play. Im sure it is hard to maintain focus in the weak conference they are in.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 12, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: dukes on April 11, 2009, 10:14:22 PM
Honestly, I dont really consider that a pounding.
What would you consider a pounding?
... Ask your mother, Trebek.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 14, 2009, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 12, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: dukes on April 11, 2009, 10:14:22 PM
Honestly, I dont really consider that a pounding.
What would you consider a pounding?
... Ask your mother, Trebek.
I would prefer not bringing my mother into this... she doesn't have a sniff about D3 baseball. Good luck on your future Daily Doubles
So, from what I have seen on the other boards in region, the WIAC is down and the MIAC is down.
How do you think the UMAC compares to years past?
Quote from: dukes on April 17, 2009, 08:22:31 PM
So, from what I have seen on the other boards in region, the WIAC is down and the MIAC is down.
How do you think the UMAC compares to years past?
I believe the answer #12 would explain a lot, meaning CSS has won the UMAC twelve times and has been the only winner of the UMAC in its twelve years of existence. But I will give a more detailed answer
CSS has always been by far the best team and there has usually been one other team that puts together a decent year. Take Bethany Lutheran for example, 17-6 on the year and so far 9-2 in conference but havent beaten anyone. In the past years Northwestern, Martin Luther, and Northland have put a decent team or two together. So the UMAC is turning out in usual form so far this year, however I think all of these teams are still down talent wise. Crown, MN Morris, and Presentation have always been pretty poor so talents always down there.
So like the rest of the midwest, the umac is down also
Not that it means much in terms of bids and whatnot, but BLC did beat RPI and St. John Fisher, two pretty good teams.
Quote from: OshDude on April 18, 2009, 08:55:02 AM
Not that it means much in terms of bids and whatnot, but BLC did beat RPI and St. John Fisher, two pretty good teams.
I missed the RPI win, which is pretty nice and definately better than St. John Fisher. Unfortunately, not regional wins which is why I thought the two losses to Hamline and Carleton good of helped them a lot not to mention if they could of took one from CSS. But all they have in region are wins over the rest of the bad umac and sweeps of bad North Central and Wisconsin Lutheran.
BLC needs to continue to play well in the UMAC and maybe take a game from CSS in the tourney. But with Whitewater and Point struggling there is always a chance for BLC to get a bid
This is a new one for me. From the Presentation baseball site:
The Saints games against North Central University on April 22 and April 23 have been canceled with no make up date planned due to North Central not having enough drivers for the van's.
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 04:32:09 AM
This is a new one for me. From the Presentation baseball site:
The Saints games against North Central University on April 22 and April 23 have been canceled with no make up date planned due to North Central not having enough drivers for the van's.
Ahh yes, not enough drivers for the vans, interesting.
Sounds like North Central is just about ready to be invited to join the conference now that they have proven they are as bush as the rest of the UMAC.
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 04:32:09 AM
This is a new one for me. From the Presentation baseball site:
The Saints games against North Central University on April 22 and April 23 have been canceled with no make up date planned due to North Central not having enough drivers for the van's.
If this is for real, it is the most ludicrous thing I have ever herard of in college athletics. This is not a club sport... the school should be ashamed at this happeneing and Presentation should file a protest.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 22, 2009, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 04:32:09 AM
This is a new one for me. From the Presentation baseball site:
The Saints games against North Central University on April 22 and April 23 have been canceled with no make up date planned due to North Central not having enough drivers for the van's.
If this is for real, it is the most ludicrous thing I have ever herard of in college athletics. This is not a club sport... the school should be ashamed at this happeneing and Presentation should file a protest.
It's a mindblower, a bit too Little League tournament for my tastes. Here's the link to PC's site. It's just below the page break.
http://www.presentation.edu/saints/Baseball/baseball.htm (http://www.presentation.edu/saints/Baseball/baseball.htm)
What I find even more amazing is that Presentation has yet to play a single home game this season. Home opener is this Friday.
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 22, 2009, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 04:32:09 AM
This is a new one for me. From the Presentation baseball site:
The Saints games against North Central University on April 22 and April 23 have been canceled with no make up date planned due to North Central not having enough drivers for the van's.
If this is for real, it is the most ludicrous thing I have ever herard of in college athletics. This is not a club sport... the school should be ashamed at this happeneing and Presentation should file a protest.
It's a mindblower, a bit too Little League tournament for my tastes. Here's the link to PC's site. It's just below the page break.
http://www.presentation.edu/saints/Baseball/baseball.htm (http://www.presentation.edu/saints/Baseball/baseball.htm)
North Central is an independent. That certainly builds confidence in them if they ever want to join the UMAC!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2009, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 22, 2009, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 04:32:09 AM
This is a new one for me. From the Presentation baseball site:
The Saints games against North Central University on April 22 and April 23 have been canceled with no make up date planned due to North Central not having enough drivers for the van's.
If this is for real, it is the most ludicrous thing I have ever herard of in college athletics. This is not a club sport... the school should be ashamed at this happeneing and Presentation should file a protest.
It's a mindblower, a bit too Little League tournament for my tastes. Here's the link to PC's site. It's just below the page break.
http://www.presentation.edu/saints/Baseball/baseball.htm (http://www.presentation.edu/saints/Baseball/baseball.htm)
North Central is an independent. That certainly builds confidence in them if they ever want to join the UMAC!
North Central is a joke for a baseball team, considering a lot of high school teams could beat them. Hence, probably why they are in Independent. So I dont know why anyone would want to play them except for padding the win column. I think its time for them to get rid of the baseball program.
And I sense some hostility from Biggio about the UMAC
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 22, 2009, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2009, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 08:58:18 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 22, 2009, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 04:32:09 AM
This is a new one for me. From the Presentation baseball site:
The Saints games against North Central University on April 22 and April 23 have been canceled with no make up date planned due to North Central not having enough drivers for the van's.
If this is for real, it is the most ludicrous thing I have ever herard of in college athletics. This is not a club sport... the school should be ashamed at this happeneing and Presentation should file a protest.
It's a mindblower, a bit too Little League tournament for my tastes. Here's the link to PC's site. It's just below the page break.
http://www.presentation.edu/saints/Baseball/baseball.htm (http://www.presentation.edu/saints/Baseball/baseball.htm)
North Central is an independent. That certainly builds confidence in them if they ever want to join the UMAC!
North Central is a joke for a baseball team, considering a lot of high school teams could beat them. Hence, probably why they are in Independent. So I dont know why anyone would want to play them except for padding the win column. I think its time for them to get rid of the baseball program.
And I sense some hostility from Biggio about the UMAC
I'm gonna take a different tack about North Central.
It looks like the school is trying to upgrade the program, taking it from club and then thru NCCAA and op to D-III.
They have hired a young coach who has played at the strong D-1 program,
Coach Tim Beasley (http://www.northcentral.edu/athletics/mensbaseball/coaches) from Louisiana Lafayette. I hope that Coach Beasley can build the program.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 22, 2009, 10:57:07 AM
And I sense some hostility from Biggio about the UMAC
I dont think hositilty is the right word. And my comment was meant to be sarcastic. Although there is a bit of truth in every sarcastic remark I suppose.
It would be great if North Central could be competitive but they have been pretty bad for some time now. Plus they are competing against a lot of minnesota teams for recruiting and I just dont think there is enough talent to supply all the college teams. Also, what semi-talented player will pick a winless team over a competitive team.
Sorry Biggio didnt catch the sarcasm.
While North Central is very poor, year in and year out, it is not entirely their fault. I have actually talked to their coach on a few occasions, very nice fellow. Biggest problem is how do you recruit kids to such a small private school with a limited curriculum. Maybe they would fit in nicely with the UMAC with the likes of Martin Luther and Crown, you cant tell me there is that much difference. (maybe one or two quality players away from having a few wins).
I look many of the other teams. Basically it comes down to this, if you are going to school to play baseball, you pick a school that is good. If you are going to school and plan to play baseball on the side, you end up at one of these other schools. Sometimes, they get enough good players they can make a run, but never will they be that good as a team because the school, the kids on the team, and the coaches have not made it a top priority.
Presentation up on Bethany in first 3-0...
Lives stats for all of the UMAC Tourney here....
http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/stats/base/xlive.htm
Bethany leaves bases loaded in bottom of 3rd after scoring 1 run...
Presentation: 5
BLC: 1
Top of 4
Bethany refuses to come up with a clutch hit. Leaves 2 more on base and ends inning with a double play in the 5th.
Pres: 5
BLC: 2
Bethany's starter (Greibrok) is out of the game.
Bethany scores 8 in the 7th to win it 12-10... Hopes are still alive as they move to 28-8.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 07, 2009, 01:38:36 PM
Bethany scores 8 in the 7th to win it 12-10... Hopes are still alive as they move to 28-8.
Yes hopes are still alive, they used their #2 and will use their #1 against CSS if they hold on in game 2. The only problem is BLC has only 2 pitchers (2/3 of their starts). So what do you do after that? Swing it really well!!!
Saints beat Northwester 12-2. Sets up a matchup between CSS and Bethany. Exactly what Bethany wanted and needed. I'm sure they will throw Dorris. Not sure who is pitching for the Saints. This should be a good game. 7pm is the scheduled start time.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 07, 2009, 05:52:04 PM
Saints beat Northwester 12-2. Sets up a matchup between CSS and Bethany. Exactly what Bethany wanted and needed. I'm sure they will throw Dorris. Not sure who is pitching for the Saints. This should be a good game. 7pm is the scheduled start time.
I guess we will get to see how good Dorris exactly is since BLC didnt care to throw him against CSS in their 2 matchups
St. Scholastica 2nd
Bethany Lutheran manager tossed out of game after 1.
Lee, N. doubled to right center.
Kolodge, P. singled to center field; Lee, N. advanced to third.
Peterson, Ba flied out to rf, SF, RBI; Lee, N. scored.
1 run, 2 hits, 0 errors, 1 LOB.
This was included in the play-by-play. Is this true? IMO, there's just no reason whatsoever that the skipper should do anything to get the heeve ho considering what is possibly at stake. You can't get thrown out in this spot. I don't care what the missed play or missed call was. I hate to see that.
CSS vs. BLC = 8-8, bottom of nine, runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 out
It is an absolute travesty that this game was taken over by the umpires. From the 2nd inning on, you can hear both sides are unhappy.
Have you ever seen any of the UMAC games? Not a complete surprise with some of the crews they that work those games.
Bethany gets 2 in the top of 10...
One of the craziest games I have ever listened too. Bethany wins even though Schweke (sp?) Hits a guy, walks a guy, hits a guy, walks a run in...al in the bottom of the 10th. Final 10-9
Shock in Duluth, Bethany stays alive!
CSS has to win 3 in a row today, still have 2 of their top 3 pitchers left but are going to need their entire bullpen to throw 27 innings today.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 08, 2009, 09:39:09 AM
CSS has to win 3 in a row today, still have 2 of their top 3 pitchers left but are going to need their entire bullpen to throw 27 innings today.
Time to find out if CSS is the real deal. Anyone have a game schedule for today?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 08, 2009, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 08, 2009, 09:39:09 AM
CSS has to win 3 in a row today, still have 2 of their top 3 pitchers left but are going to need their entire bullpen to throw 27 innings today.
Time to find out if CSS is the real deal. Anyone have a game schedule for today?
Game 1: CSS vs. Northwestern @ 1:00
Game 2: WINNER vs Bethany @ 4:00
Gam3: If necessary @ 7:00
My take -
Game 1: CSS beats Northwestern and is able to save pitching to get by them.
Game 2: CSS beats Bethany. Kummet vs. Johnson ??
Game 3: Who wants to get to the regional more?
Throw in an umpiring crew that is suspect at best and you have the makings for the most memorable UMAC tournament ever.
Side note... When players and fans from both teams have no idea where your strike zone is, I think it's time to consider stepping aside from umpiring and tyring something else.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 08, 2009, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 08, 2009, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 08, 2009, 09:39:09 AM
CSS has to win 3 in a row today, still have 2 of their top 3 pitchers left but are going to need their entire bullpen to throw 27 innings today.
Time to find out if CSS is the real deal. Anyone have a game schedule for today?
Game 1: CSS vs. Northwestern @ 1:00
Game 2: WINNER vs Bethany @ 4:00
Gam3: If necessary @ 7:00
If CSS makes it to the third game, when do they eat today?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 08, 2009, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 08, 2009, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 08, 2009, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 08, 2009, 09:39:09 AM
CSS has to win 3 in a row today, still have 2 of their top 3 pitchers left but are going to need their entire bullpen to throw 27 innings today.
Time to find out if CSS is the real deal. Anyone have a game schedule for today?
Game 1: CSS vs. Northwestern @ 1:00
Game 2: WINNER vs Bethany @ 4:00
Gam3: If necessary @ 7:00
If CSS makes it to the third game, when do they eat today?
Eat? Who eats during post season tourney time? Also, based on all the runners they left on late in the game last night, I'm not so sure they deserve to eat.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 08, 2009, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 08, 2009, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 08, 2009, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 08, 2009, 09:39:09 AM
CSS has to win 3 in a row today, still have 2 of their top 3 pitchers left but are going to need their entire bullpen to throw 27 innings today.
Time to find out if CSS is the real deal. Anyone have a game schedule for today?
Game 1: CSS vs. Northwestern @ 1:00
Game 2: WINNER vs Bethany @ 4:00
Gam3: If necessary @ 7:00
If CSS makes it to the third game, when do they eat today?
Between innings?
I agree the umpires were brutal both ways, time to retire i think.
CSS offense needs to get going. They only had 1 hit in the last four innings after chasing their ace from the game. There is no excuse for not stepping up and delivering a hit.
Probably save Kummet and Gerten for the last 2 games and get by with maybe Lewis in the first game against Northwestern.
Its been a long time that the UMAC has been at the top of the midwest message board and when i say a long time i mean never.
Ouch, looks like Bethany might have run out of arms. Im all about proving a point but scoring 30 on anyone to me shows no class IMHO.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on May 08, 2009, 07:45:20 PM
Ouch, looks like Bethany might have run out of arms. Im all about proving a point but scoring 30 on anyone to me shows no class IMHO.
Pretty harsh words to call one of the classiest programs out there especially when you arent there to see it. It would of been more disrespectful to go up there and bunt. Sometimes these things happen and it is what it is. If Bethany had a problem with it then one of their pitchers should of got some outs.
So my advice to you is just be careful about what you are saying especially throwing such terms out against a highly respected program.
Nice rebound by CSS. Bethany definately have the offensive fire power to compete in a regional but lack the pitching depth and defense.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 09, 2009, 01:45:50 AM
Quote from: paulisdeadman on May 08, 2009, 07:45:20 PM
Ouch, looks like Bethany might have run out of arms. Im all about proving a point but scoring 30 on anyone to me shows no class IMHO.
Pretty harsh words to call one of the classiest programs out there especially when you arent there to see it. It would of been more disrespectful to go up there and bunt. Sometimes these things happen and it is what it is. If Bethany had a problem with it then one of their pitchers should of got some outs.
So my advice to you is just be careful about what you are saying especially throwing such terms out against a highly respected program.
Nice rebound by CSS. Bethany definately have the offensive fire power to compete in a regional but lack the pitching depth and defense.
I agree about the 30 runs not being a run-up.
The game on Friday was a DH. You use your arms and players constructively. When that first game is out of hand, then you consider how much "gas your players" have in their tanks for the second.
Consdier this, if you are the BLC coach do you send out a certain pitcher to mess up the rhythm of the CSS batters in the first game, hoping that it carries over into the second?
Give the ball to the knuckleball thrower! :D
You are probably right in that the use of the word class was a little harsh and I apologize. By know means was that a knock at the CSS players, I wouldnt have not hit either. I was just surprised that the coach waited until he was up 24 to 1 to start taking out some of the starters. I know that you said that Bethany has firepower but as demoralized as the Vikings were I doubt they were going to rally off 24 runs. It just seems to me that a game like that is an excellent oppurtunity to get your bench some AB's in a conference title game. I wish the Saints the best, I would love to see a National Championship come from the UMAC. Good Luck Saints and great season Vikings!
CSS simply did what champions do and that is win when they had to. They did not run up the score but did give Bethany the beating of their lives. I f any team showed little class it was the Vikings(pitcher waving goodbye at the batter after striking him out) however their swagger was knocked out of them by the Saints with 2 solid Ws. Go Saints.Josh Hawkins was fantastic in relief and throttled the potent Viking offense as did Kummet in game one.
The Saints proved they can swing it. To win three and score 56 runs in doing so showed how ticked they were about losing on Thursday night. The entire lineup had productive at bats, they got strong pitching from Lewis and Kummet, and a new gun emerged as a possible contributor at the regional in Josh Hawkins.
I tip my cap to the Bethany players. They are a talented group of guys, especially offensively, and they were determined to show they belong. Hopefully they continue to get better as this matchup could become an exciting rivalry for the UMAC.
A few notes...
I don't think the score is probably what dictated the removal of players from the Saints lineup in the first game vs Bethany. I think the fact that when they got such a big lead early, there was still alot of innings left to play. To ask your starters, who were on an incredible roll, to sit around and watch 6 or 7 innings of baseball and then expect them to get back up for a second game might have been a concern. IMO, better to let them stay in the game until the 6th or 7th to keep them in it mentally more than anything else. You certainly can't ask a team to roll over and start bunting or anything like that... that would be more embarrassing than 30-4.
What do we see the UMAC shaping up like this season? I played a few years back in the UMAC and notice that things look like they have changed with the D3baseball.com midwest page having a Bethany pitcher on it and giving credit to Martin Luther ... is Bethany Legit?
Bethany is legit, probably the conference favorite, but can they get it done? Time will tell. I look for them to have a great year though. Good lineup and some new talent on the mound makes them a team to watch in 2010.
Quote from: biggio34 on February 04, 2010, 05:45:08 PM
Bethany is legit, probably the conference favorite, but can they get it done? Time will tell. I look for them to have a great year though. Good lineup and some new talent on the mound makes them a team to watch in 2010.
Conference favorite for what? Please specify as even though things in the UMAC have changed, CSS continues to be the hands down favorite to 1) win the conference 2) win the UMAC tourney. agree?
Quote from: dukes on February 04, 2010, 07:18:59 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on February 04, 2010, 05:45:08 PM
Bethany is legit, probably the conference favorite, but can they get it done? Time will tell. I look for them to have a great year though. Good lineup and some new talent on the mound makes them a team to watch in 2010.
Conference favorite for what? Please specify as even though things in the UMAC have changed, CSS continues to be the hands down favorite to 1) win the conference 2) win the UMAC tourney. agree?
I look forward to seeing how good the large incoming CSS class and the BLC transfers are, but yeah, I for one think CSS is the favorite. Wouldn't be shocked at all to see BLC win either the season or tourney, though. If that makes any sense ... I just think it's cool that there's even a discussion.
I'll stop short of predicting Bethany as the regular season or tournament champs, but I am with Oshdude, I wouldn't be surprised by either, or both.
I do agree there are more questions this year and it will be more of a battle atop the UMAC with a large new class of CSS players and a new coach, but I would still lean heavily to CSS tradition of winning. In years past while CSS has lost a few UMAC games here and there, their consistency and depth has continued. It will make for a great thing to watch as the year starts.
Well Bethany Lutheran returns a pretty good lineup that could pretty much hit with anyone in the midwest and also their top 2 pitchers. BLC needs to develop the rest of their staff and not just let those 2 guys carry the staff. They do face several MIAC teams but would of been nice to see if they could of got St. Thomas or the trio from the WIAC on their schedule. You can really see by their scheduling though that they know they are close to a regional bid and doing everything possible to help their resume which is great for the UMAC
Scholastica lost a couple offensive players and probably one of the best defensive shortstops in the country, but did not lose any of their core players: Claugherty, Kolodge, Marshik, Gerten, Peterson & Peterson. However they did lose 2 of the top pitchers in the country and for probably for the first time in quite some time dont have that shutdown ace, but they do have pitching depth.
Should make for an interesting year
http://www.umacathletics.com/news/2010/2/25/BSB_0225100658.aspx
Coaches poll for UMAC favors Bethany Lutheran this year. What do you guys think? While I do agree they have have a great team, it still surprises me a little bit, but surely will be bulletin board material at CSS.
Quote from: dukes on February 25, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
http://www.umacathletics.com/news/2010/2/25/BSB_0225100658.aspx
Coaches poll for UMAC favors Bethany Lutheran this year. What do you guys think? While I do agree they have have a great team, it still surprises me a little bit, but surely will be bulletin board material at CSS.
Does not mean really anything, coaches could really care less about voting for this poll. But it will catch the attention of the Saints players
Quote from: dukes on February 25, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
http://www.umacathletics.com/news/2010/2/25/BSB_0225100658.aspx
Coaches poll for UMAC favors Bethany Lutheran this year. What do you guys think? While I do agree they have have a great team, it still surprises me a little bit, but surely will be bulletin board material at CSS.
CSS has won 13 straight titles. While Bethany made nice strides last season, I am not certain they are ready to jump to the top of the UMAC.
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 25, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: dukes on February 25, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
http://www.umacathletics.com/news/2010/2/25/BSB_0225100658.aspx
Coaches poll for UMAC favors Bethany Lutheran this year. What do you guys think? While I do agree they have have a great team, it still surprises me a little bit, but surely will be bulletin board material at CSS.
CSS has won 13 straight titles. While Bethany made nice strides last season, I am not certain they are ready to jump to the top of the UMAC.
I agree. BaseballFan: while I agree that this matters very little, it still does matter because it shows a change in the conference because when those coaches had to pick between #1 and #2, those coaches had to pick. By them even voting for BLC over CSS, it shows that they are not as intimidated as in years past. And while it is easy to look at the talent on the roster, there is something to be said about a winning tradition. If I were BLC, I would have wanted to earn the respect of a #1 seed by winning, not by an off-season vote. Should be a great UMAC season to follow.
Quote from: dukes on February 25, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
http://www.umacathletics.com/news/2010/2/25/BSB_0225100658.aspx
...I would have wanted to earn the respect of a #1 seed by winning, not by an off-season vote.
Maybe they did earn their respect by winning. I mean, Bethany did beat the Saints in one out of five games last year (the one being a 1-run game with some sketchy umpiring calls) and were only outscored 73 - 31 in the five games. If that doesn't earn respect I don't know what does.
From the looks of it, the Smith kid looks like a nice player, but the pitcher they talk about in the press release hasn't done much since high school, so we shall see if the Bethany staff is all that improved. Dorris still is a real nice player and expect him to have a nice season, possibly even a little All-Region love could go his way, but I don't think he's ever beaten CSS. Just went to the box score from last years game that Bethany won in the conf. tournament and Dorris gave up 7 runs (5 earned) in 5 innings. Look for the BLC/CSS series to be a lot of scoring! Both offenses only lost player out of last years lineup.
This year should be pretty exciting. I'm anxious to see who steps up for CSS and takes charge of their staff. If they can find a solid 1 and 2 they'll continue their reign atop the UMAC. There really is a sense of winning tradition there and that plays a huge role in how players approach the game and their opponents. I don't see Bethany Lutheran winning the UMAC but I think each series with CSS will be exciting.
Did anyone get a chance to see the Bethany sweep on Sunday?
Quote from: biggio34 on March 01, 2010, 09:36:43 AM
Did anyone get a chance to see the Bethany sweep on Sunday?
I listened to most of it. When the phone lines were working, that is. I hope more teams do live webcasting.
My question is whether Ashton Dorris is: healthy and was saved for another day; healthy and is now the No. 3 starter; injured; ill (or something else).
The Carleton announcers made it sound like BLC transfer Cody Callahan gave the hitters little to no chance.
Hard to believe that the transfers that came in blew by the ace of their staff last year, I would guess injury but have zero inside info to back it.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 01, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Hard to believe that the transfers that came in blew by the ace of their staff last year, I would guess injury but have zero inside info to back it.
Even if the transfers blew past him and he is now the #3, you would think he still would have pitched in relief. The fact that he didn't appear at all leads me to believe he is hurt or not available. Although they do play again on the 4th so maybe they were just being careful with their guys early in the year to make sure they had someone fresh to start in their next DH.
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 01, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Hard to believe that the transfers that came in blew by the ace of their staff last year, I would guess injury but have zero inside info to back it.
Guess we will find out on thursday against Augsburg.
Another interesting thing was that Greibrok pitched in relief and did not start considering he was their #2 last year.
CSS opens their season tomorrow night against Hamline, with a late night DH at 945, should be heard online
Carleton isn't that special without Guevin, not to much to get excited for UMAC. Your conference favorite slid by the bottom of ours.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 01, 2010, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 01, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Hard to believe that the transfers that came in blew by the ace of their staff last year, I would guess injury but have zero inside info to back it.
Even if the transfers blew past him and he is now the #3, you would think he still would have pitched in relief. The fact that he didn't appear at all leads me to believe he is hurt or not available. Although they do play again on the 4th so maybe they were just being careful with their guys early in the year to make sure they had someone fresh to start in their next DH.
Isn't Bethany still a two year school, maybe the Dorris kid is done with eligibility, see what Juco he's from and count years ::)
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 02, 2010, 09:07:47 AM
Carleton isn't that special without Guevin, not to much to get excited for UMAC. Your conference favorite slid by the bottom of ours.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 01, 2010, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: BRONKO7 on March 01, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Hard to believe that the transfers that came in blew by the ace of their staff last year, I would guess injury but have zero inside info to back it.
Even if the transfers blew past him and he is now the #3, you would think he still would have pitched in relief. The fact that he didn't appear at all leads me to believe he is hurt or not available. Although they do play again on the 4th so maybe they were just being careful with their guys early in the year to make sure they had someone fresh to start in their next DH.
Isn't Bethany still a two year school, maybe the Dorris kid is done with eligibility, see what Juco he's from and count years ::)
It's a 4 year school and he is a senior.
Sarcasm buddy! It refers to their Juco loaded roster ;)
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 02, 2010, 09:31:08 AM
Sarcasm buddy! It refers to their Juco loaded roster ;)
I'm not your buddy, guy.
-- Terrance and Phillip
I'm not your guy, buddy
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 02, 2010, 09:07:47 AM
Carleton isn't that special without Guevin, not to much to get excited for UMAC. Your conference favorite slid by the bottom of ours.
Also, 10K's and 1 walk in 5 innings against any team is something I think is worth getting excited about. Pretty impressive!
Agreeable, that is certainly a nice outing. Let's be honest if Bethany is the cream of the UMAC crop, than the UMAC is in a drought! St. Scholastica has had some nice squads over the past few years and won some games against the MIAC schools, but to say either of those clubs would knock the Tommies or Oles off is absurd. If both were in the MIAC, I'd predict only one of them would make the MIAC tourney! We'll get to see soon enough as St.Scholastica gets the Tommies next weekend and the Oles later this spring, with a young pitching staff that's yet unproven and also Bethany will get a crack at the Oles later in the season. They'll load up for the Oles and spend their staff to get that win!
And if they do win...then what? Let me guess you will never be heard from again.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 02, 2010, 11:03:49 AM
And if they do win...then what? Let me guess you will never be heard from again.
Hardly, its a good test for the MIAC boys, they know they're going to get a good game from the UMAC guys. But in the grind of a conference season, not sure they'd keep up. Both horses in your race (2-horse race) have a ways to go when it comes to competing against consistent competition. St. Scholastica is going depend on a young staff and Bethany will keep going with the transfers to compete in 2 year windows
So, are we going to have the yearly debate from a newcomer of "If CSS was in the MIAC, it would be different..." with the thought that they even like playing in the UMAC or have a choice. Then the second argument of "CSS can always plan their schedule to pitch their best ....blah blah blah". Heard that would a few times too. Truth is, in the past Denning and Baggs always had different approaches to handling a pitching staff...and I would argue they were both extremely successful with it. Over the past 5-10 yrs, it has been very competitive, back and forth, and makes for good games. Why even make such statements? Let them play it out on the field, and in the playoffs, and let the chips fall where they may.
By the way, the MIAC isnt exactly always the strongest conference either. They have their share of bottom feeders who may have one good kid or a few good kids now and again , but just an average team. Since I have been following, I think it is fair to say that St. Thomas and St. Olaf (the anchors of the league) are year-year good, but after that it is a crapshoot. So this year the UMAC is in the same boat.
I's curious to hear what other lame excuse you come up with next. I bet it starts something like "Well, yeah, but....." and finishes with something like "so obviously the MIAC is better".
CSS and Hamline live video, think this is the first time they have done this so we will see how it works.
http://www.ifan.tv/ads/css/css.html
CSS sweeps Hamline late last night
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 03, 2010, 07:54:15 AM
CSS sweeps Hamline late last night
I saw the box and read the recap but does anyone who was there have any takes? It's nice to get some perspective from someone who actually saw the action.
Oh Dukes, come on. No need to be upset, and your boys at CSS are the least of my concern, they're a proven commodity and a traditionally strong program. What Baggs accomplished in Duluth was exceptional. My biggest qualm with your UMAC boys is the people bouncing around the Midwest boards pumping BLCCC as the second coming of Murderers Row. Based on the games against Carleton (likely the 6th or 7th best team in the MIAC this year) lets no get that excited about your conference favorite. And I made the trip down to game 1 last night and offensively St. Scholastica looked pretty solid, the kid that started on the mound had good stuff but was erratic (dominate 1 hitter, fire four straight no where near zone the next). I like the look of that squad, but lets face it, Hamline is not offensively that strong. And to your argument that the MIAC has their share of cup cakes lets take the match ups and see how they match up shall we......
Lets simulate an MIAC / UMAC DH challenge shall we?
St. Thomas vs St. Scholastica (Possible sweep for Tommies / Likely split)
St. Olaf vs Bethany (lets say split, Oles a little young)
Augsburg vs Northwestern (sweep Augs)
Mac vs Presentation (Mac sweep)
Bethel vs Northland (split-not sold on Bethel staff and Northlands 3-4-5 ok)
Concordia vs Martin Luther (Sweep Conc)
Hamline vs Morris (Sweep Hamline, they'll sweep 1-0 & 1-0)
Carleton or St. Marys vs Crown (Sweep Carl / St. Mar)
Adantage MIAC 13-3
"its science" Ron Burgandy ;)
The true strength of a conference is not in the quality of the top teams, but in the quality of the teams in the middle of the pack. If they matchup well with other conference's top 2 or 3 teams, then you have a strong conference.
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 03, 2010, 10:09:26 AM
The true strength of a conference is not in the quality of the top teams, but in the quality of the teams in the middle of the pack. If they matchup well with other conference's top 2 or 3 teams, then you have a strong conference.
I agree. And that statement further supports MIACLUV's (great name by the way) point because clearly the middle tier MIAC teams would destroy the middle tier UMAC teams on most days.
Agree. If the UMAC wants more credibilty as a conference, their middle teams need to step up.
One thing that has always impressed me is that St. Scholastica has always tried to get as many of the upper tier MIAC's on there schedule to offset the poor conference schedule. I think Bethany is getting the hint by adding Olaf this year. Their Pool B chances last year were squashed last year by their schedule. How nice would it be to merge the UMAC and MIAC, have 2 divisions and an 8 team conference tournament. That I'd buy a ticket to see!
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 03, 2010, 10:52:14 AM
One thing that has always impressed me is that St. Scholastica has always tried to get as many of the upper tier MIAC's on there schedule to offset the poor conference schedule. I think Bethany is getting the hint by adding Olaf this year. Their Pool B chances last year were squashed last year by their schedule. How nice would it be to merge the UMAC and MIAC, have 2 divisions and an 8 team conference tournament. That I'd buy a ticket to see!
It would make for a great conference, but the UMAC becomes a Pool A next year and it would only gaurantee those 16 teams one bid, while right now they are two conferences who will each be assured one bid starting next year.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 03, 2010, 10:52:14 AM
One thing that has always impressed me is that St. Scholastica has always tried to get as many of the upper tier MIAC's on there schedule to offset the poor conference schedule. I think Bethany is getting the hint by adding Olaf this year. Their Pool B chances last year were squashed last year by their schedule. How nice would it be to merge the UMAC and MIAC, have 2 divisions and an 8 team conference tournament. That I'd buy a ticket to see!
So, in this completely ludicrous scenario, how would you lay out the 2 divisions? Is one division the UMAC and the other one is the MIAC? Or do you throw all the teams together and randomly pick who goes into what division. Does one divison get to use the DH and the other one doesn't? Could they have a mid season all star game with the winner getting some sort of advantage in the conference tourney? I take it back, this is not ludicrous at all.
Lay it out as North/South or East/West... whichever set up works best. PLay everyone in your own division twice (14 games) and each team from the other division once (7 games) for a total of 21 conference games.
Match 1vs 4 and 2 vs 3 in a cross division set up for the post season and play out an 8-team double elimination tourney over 3-4 days.
Worst case scenario is UST, STO, CSS and BLC all end up in one division and can STILL all get into the playoffs and battle it out in the double elimination.
Im confused, where does anyone suggest that the UMAC is better than the MIAC?
I was also in attendence at the scholastica hamline game. to say that the saints had a good offense in the first game is obserd. the pipers didnt throw it, field it, or hit it well. at least 3 of thier 6 runs were unearned. note to all you ladies and gentlemen: IT IS EARLY!!!!! BLC and CSS have great offenses and are off to a slow start. Nobody is trying to say the UMAC is better than the MIAC from top to bottom. but i gaurentee the two top teams in the umac could hold their own in the MIAC. Put it this way bethany has something like 18-20 pitchers on their roster and css has musch of the same depth would not be a problem for either team. Just figure out that noone in say the northwesterns and the presentations and the mlc's are beeter than MIAC middle field so i am sick of seeing that stuff posted day in and day out..... OHHHH the MIAC is so great..... news flash aside from Thomas and Olaf ...... not a very strong conference either
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 03, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
Lay it out as North/South or East/West... whichever set up works best. PLay everyone in your own division twice (14 games) and each team from the other division once (7 games) for a total of 21 conference games.
Match 1vs 4 and 2 vs 3 in a cross division set up for the post season and play out an 8-team double elimination tourney over 3-4 days.
Worst case scenario is UST, STO, CSS and BLC all end up in one division and can STILL all get into the playoffs and battle it out in the double elimination.
I like this but, here's how it could line up:
EAST DIVISION WEST DIVISIONSt. Thomas St. Olaf
St. Scholastica Bethany Lutheran
Carleton Gustavus
Macalaster Conc. Moorhead
Hamline St. Johns
Augsburg Crown
Northwestern Presentation
Northland MN Morris
St. Marys Bethel
Someone would have to go to the West, in this fantasy world I scent Bethel, no hard feelings to Bethel but someone would have to go and to even the divisions it could be someone else.
Two possible playoff scenarios: #1
Top two in each division make playoff and seed the 4 based on record, best of 3 over a two weekend (opening round & championship round)
#2
Top 3 in each division make playoffs, seed all 6 teams, seeds #1 & #2 qualify for best of 3 second round, seed 3 & 6 and 4 & 5 play a 1 game play in to face 2 top seeds.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 03, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 03, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
...in this fantasy world I scent Bethel, no hard feelings to Bethel...
I "scent" Bethel as well, and they smell real real nice clark.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 03, 2010, 01:58:25 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 03, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 03, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
...in this fantasy world I scent Bethel, no hard feelings to Bethel...
I "scent" Bethel as well, and they smell real real nice clark.
Spelling in the MIAC is optional. ;D
But I do agree that it is too early to judge any of these squads, looks as if CSS got to get that staff a decent amount of work, even though from listening they weren't very sharp on defense. I guess we'll see how they stack up when they face St. Thomas this weekend.
To clarify, I never meant the UMAC as a whole was as good as the MIAC and if it came off that way, my apologies. I would disagree with that fully. But was only meant to say that if you put CSS in the MIAC, they would still be at the top of the MIAC. Yes, they would lose more games, I agree. A better comparison on quality of leagues would be between MIAC and WIAC and see how that would play out.
I agree to having a little problem with placing BLC in that same category based on the predictions of talent pool returning and a great year last year. And it is early, and they will have a chance to prove the quality of their team this year through matchups with CSS and Olaf.
I like the idea of the combined leagues, but agree the loss of the extra automatic bid would be detrimental.
And it is early, a few games here and there with many new names that may be well known by years end.
Anyone know how the Bethany v Augsburg games went down last night? I can't find the scores anywhere.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 05, 2010, 11:21:48 AM
Anyone know how the Bethany v Augsburg games went down last night? I can't find the scores anywhere.
Apparently the SIDs are sleeping in after the late DH
Lost 3-1 in the 10th and won the 2nd 9-0.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 05, 2010, 12:27:56 PM
Lost 3-1 in the 10th and won the 2nd 9-0.
Who won and lost?
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 05, 2010, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 05, 2010, 12:27:56 PM
Lost 3-1 in the 10th and won the 2nd 9-0.
Who won and lost?
Bethany lost the first game in 10 innings 3-1 and won the second 9-0.
My bad, for the record I'm a Bethany fan...haha
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 05, 2010, 02:01:59 PM
My bad, for the record I'm a Bethany fan...haha
Fan or player? Not a bad split, that's an up and coming team in the MIAC!
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 05, 2010, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 05, 2010, 02:01:59 PM
My bad, for the record I'm a Bethany fan...haha
Fan or player? Not a bad split, that's an up and coming team in the MIAC!
Paulisdeadman... what's up with Dorris? How come he hasn't pitched yet?
Just a fan. I was curious about Dorris also, whatever the reason they need him back if they have any hope of making a run. He will be a nice compliment to the other guy whose name slips my mind (hallahan or something like that)
Had a chance to catch the first game and part of game 2, was impressed by Scholastica's performance, they made some very good pitchers work for sure. Could not shut down the Tommies when it mattered though. Looking at their media guide it looks as though the guys they're rolling out after Gerten are a little green. Gerten blew up and they just couldn't get anybody ready fast enough. A great game to watch though no doubt. The Tommies just get it done period. When it matters they know how to win.
As far as game 2 go's lets summerize it this way, freshman starts for CSS and looks a little shaky for one inning then goes into cruise control pitching fairly well considering the strength of that lineup, Schuld starts gets 3 runs of support early and does what Schuld does. On a side note, I would be surprised if Schuld has ever given up a bomb like the one he gave up last night, Schulds new and improved breaking ball took a ride DEEP into the left field bleachers. Advantage MIAC!
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 08, 2010, 11:43:55 AM
On a side note, I would be surprised if Schuld has ever given up a bomb like the one he gave up last night, Schulds new and improved breaking ball took a ride DEEP into the left field bleachers.
Has that ball landed yet?
wait for it.....
wait for it.....
wait for it.....
Now I think it landed
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 05, 2010, 06:22:50 PM
Just a fan. I was curious about Dorris also, whatever the reason they need him back if they have any hope of making a run. He will be a nice compliment to the other guy whose name slips my mind (hallahan or something like that)
Since you're the only Bethany guy on these boards, any idea how they're Florida schedule is, someone's to busy to update their website
Not sure on the schedule, they beat Wisc Lutheran 4-0 and 14-2 today.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 08, 2010, 07:25:56 PM
Not sure on the schedule, they beat Wisc Lutheran 4-0 and 14-2 today.
Five pitchers used in their DH today... still no Dorris. Anyone know anything here? Looks like Hallahan was very good again picking up his 3rd win of the season already.
Bethany split today with Penn State - Altoona lost 7-5 and won 10-5. BLC can pitch it man! Greibrok got hit hard, but after that it was business as usual still no dorris though. They play benedictine on thursday. A side note: UMAC Player of the Year Justin Schwecke is starting to hit his stride .... BEWARE UMAC!
Justin Schwecke was the UMAC player of the year last year? He's pretty decent but WOW.
Bethany sure is working hard to throw that Pool B bid away. Winner of the UMAC should get a bid, but the way the Top 2 in this league are starting, there is reason for concern UMAC fans. St. Scholastica's 2 losses aren't bad being that they were to the #1 team in the country, but they will need to play clean and limit mistake games. Bethany on the other hand has lost a couple games against teams they should beat. Should be a good year to watch!
Quote from: tommiegun on March 09, 2010, 04:30:01 PM
Justin Schwecke was the UMAC player of the year last year? He's pretty decent but WOW.
You are right, he is a decent player. He is a decent player who had outstanding numbers. Not sure how you pick a Player of the Year other than by the numbers. Even if he wasn't the best player in the conference his numbers were, so the selection was justified.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 09, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
Bethany sure is working hard to throw that Pool B bid away. Winner of the UMAC should get a bid, but the way the Top 2 in this league are starting, there is reason for concern UMAC fans. St. Scholastica's 2 losses aren't bad being that they were to the #1 team in the country, but they will need to play clean and limit mistake games. Bethany on the other hand has lost a couple games against teams they should beat. Should be a good year to watch!
Was the Bethany split today that bad? I don't know much about the team they played other than their record isn't very good.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 09, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 09, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
Bethany sure is working hard to throw that Pool B bid away. Winner of the UMAC should get a bid, but the way the Top 2 in this league are starting, there is reason for concern UMAC fans. St. Scholastica's 2 losses aren't bad being that they were to the #1 team in the country, but they will need to play clean and limit mistake games. Bethany on the other hand has lost a couple games against teams they should beat. Should be a good year to watch!
Was the Bethany split today that bad? I don't know much about the team they played other than their record isn't very good.
Lets break down this shall we.....
Altoona in that past has been a decent team, but this years squad's a little worse. There losses have been to Emerson who was 13-15 last season not by anyones account an above average squad, were swept the day before by Salve Regina who went 18-23, and Mary Washington who is off to a good start at 6-0. But when you have Greibrock on the mound who is at least servicable you need to get that sweep. So in my opinion that is a BAD loss.
As far as an earlier post about Schwecke, no doubt he's a good player, but we'll see how he goes now that he's not a surprise to anyone they are going to play. A good teammate should be nicer to Greibrock, he had a rough outing that's all.
PSU Altoona won the ECAC south last year (kind of like the NIT for east coast schools) and were ranked preseason #3 in there conference. So i wouldnt say the are horrible, i wouldnt say they are great either. That being said 6 and 2 isnt a bad start. Last time i checked most teams dont finish the season undefeated.
Last time I checked Bethany hasn't made an NCAA tournament, they have a team that can do that and losing games to teams that are picked to finish #3 in the south division (there's a north as well) isn't helping. Keep it up UMAC and the MIAC for sure will get 2 bids and the WIAC can slot 3.
And come clean with the Dorris thing, he's obviously not hurt otherwise the Bethany "fans" on this board would be letting us know by now. My pre-season push for him as an All Region guy is getting murdered by him not pitching. Academics? He's on the roster, but is he eligible? What's the mystery?
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 10, 2010, 09:50:43 AM
Last time I checked Bethany hasn't made an NCAA tournament, they have a team that can do that and losing games to teams that are picked to finish #3 in the south division (there's a north as well) isn't helping. Keep it up UMAC and the MIAC for sure will get 2 bids and the WIAC can slot 3.
And come clean with the Dorris thing, he's obviously not hurt otherwise the Bethany "fans" on this board would be letting us know by now. My pre-season push for him as an All Region guy is getting murdered by him not pitching. Academics? He's on the roster, but is he eligible? What's the mystery?
Regardless of their past, losing games that you shouldn't lose in an already tight Pool B race is not a good thing when you still have alot of tough teams coming on the rest of the schedule. You have to take care of business against the weaker opponents so you have some wiggle room for inevitable losses that will come against the better squads.
And last time i checked they werent eligible because they were a 2 year and then the probabation period for the NCAA.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 10, 2010, 11:20:20 AM
And last time i checked they werent eligible because they were a 2 year and then the probabation period for the NCAA.
Sorry but they've been eligible for a few years now, and were only a loss or two away from the tourney last year.
They became eligible the summer of 2008, making 2009 the first year that baseball would have been able to make the tourny. Seems to me that almost making the tourny in your first year is pretty good, but let me guess MIACLUV will have something diff to say. Why so negative?
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 10, 2010, 11:34:15 AM
They became eligible the summer of 2008, making 2009 the first year that baseball would have been able to make the tourny. Seems to me that almost making the tourny in your first year is pretty good, but let me guess MIACLUV will have something diff to say. Why so negative?
MIAC'ers are just trying to hold the UMAC down paul. If we band together, and our teams both have good years, maybe we can earn some respect for the UMAC. Then again, maybe not.
Because you're in a spot to be there! Losing games to sub-par teams is annoying. As much as I am for the MIAC, I still want MN teams in the tourney. Not negative so much as motivated to see MN baseball get the respect that the WI and IA schools get. So you're right I will hold the MN schools to a higher standard.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 09, 2010, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on March 09, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 09, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
Bethany sure is working hard to throw that Pool B bid away. Winner of the UMAC should get a bid, but the way the Top 2 in this league are starting, there is reason for concern UMAC fans. St. Scholastica's 2 losses aren't bad being that they were to the #1 team in the country, but they will need to play clean and limit mistake games. Bethany on the other hand has lost a couple games against teams they should beat. Should be a good year to watch!
Was the Bethany split today that bad? I don't know much about the team they played other than their record isn't very good.
Lets break down this shall we.....
Altoona in that past has been a decent team, but this years squad's a little worse. There losses have been to Emerson who was 13-15 last season not by anyones account an above average squad, were swept the day before by Salve Regina who went 18-23, and Mary Washington who is off to a good start at 6-0. But when you have Greibrock on the mound who is at least servicable you need to get that sweep. So in my opinion that is a BAD loss.
As far as an earlier post about Schwecke, no doubt he's a good player, but we'll see how he goes now that he's not a surprise to anyone they are going to play. A good teammate should be nicer to Greibrock, he had a rough outing that's all.
Everyone just relax, looking into their split against Penn State Altoona is a moot point. They are not a regional opponent and when it comes down to it thats pretty much all that matters, IN REGION GAMES!!! I dont think anyone should be getting too excited either way, its early.
The order of the midwest conferences
WIAC
MIAC
UMAC
NATHCON
The MIAC can brag all they want about being better than UMAC, because they are. MIAC should worry about being better than the WIAC, because they arent.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 10, 2010, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 09, 2010, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on March 09, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 09, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
Bethany sure is working hard to throw that Pool B bid away. Winner of the UMAC should get a bid, but the way the Top 2 in this league are starting, there is reason for concern UMAC fans. St. Scholastica's 2 losses aren't bad being that they were to the #1 team in the country, but they will need to play clean and limit mistake games. Bethany on the other hand has lost a couple games against teams they should beat. Should be a good year to watch!
Was the Bethany split today that bad? I don't know much about the team they played other than their record isn't very good.
Lets break down this shall we.....
Altoona in that past has been a decent team, but this years squad's a little worse. There losses have been to Emerson who was 13-15 last season not by anyones account an above average squad, were swept the day before by Salve Regina who went 18-23, and Mary Washington who is off to a good start at 6-0. But when you have Greibrock on the mound who is at least servicable you need to get that sweep. So in my opinion that is a BAD loss.
As far as an earlier post about Schwecke, no doubt he's a good player, but we'll see how he goes now that he's not a surprise to anyone they are going to play. A good teammate should be nicer to Greibrock, he had a rough outing that's all.
Everyone just relax, looking into their split against Penn State Altoona is a moot point. They are not a regional opponent and when it comes down to it thats pretty much all that matters, IN REGION GAMES!!! I dont think anyone should be getting too excited either way, its early.
The order of the midwest conferences
WIAC
MIAC
UMAC
NATHCON
The MIAC can brag all they want about being better than UMAC, because they are. MIAC should worry about being better than the WIAC, because they arent.
I disagree. Why do you think the UMAC is better than the Northern AC?
Quote from: OshDude on March 12, 2010, 02:48:32 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 10, 2010, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 09, 2010, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on March 09, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 09, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
Bethany sure is working hard to throw that Pool B bid away. Winner of the UMAC should get a bid, but the way the Top 2 in this league are starting, there is reason for concern UMAC fans. St. Scholastica's 2 losses aren't bad being that they were to the #1 team in the country, but they will need to play clean and limit mistake games. Bethany on the other hand has lost a couple games against teams they should beat. Should be a good year to watch!
Was the Bethany split today that bad? I don't know much about the team they played other than their record isn't very good.
Lets break down this shall we.....
Altoona in that past has been a decent team, but this years squad's a little worse. There losses have been to Emerson who was 13-15 last season not by anyones account an above average squad, were swept the day before by Salve Regina who went 18-23, and Mary Washington who is off to a good start at 6-0. But when you have Greibrock on the mound who is at least servicable you need to get that sweep. So in my opinion that is a BAD loss.
As far as an earlier post about Schwecke, no doubt he's a good player, but we'll see how he goes now that he's not a surprise to anyone they are going to play. A good teammate should be nicer to Greibrock, he had a rough outing that's all.
Everyone just relax, looking into their split against Penn State Altoona is a moot point. They are not a regional opponent and when it comes down to it thats pretty much all that matters, IN REGION GAMES!!! I dont think anyone should be getting too excited either way, its early.
The order of the midwest conferences
WIAC
MIAC
UMAC
NATHCON
The MIAC can brag all they want about being better than UMAC, because they are. MIAC should worry about being better than the WIAC, because they arent.
I disagree. Why do you think the UMAC is better than the Northern AC?
Oshdude is right there. The UMAC should be the 4th team on the list. And this year, outside of Bethany and CSS, the UMAC looks like its going to be particularly pathetic.
I'd put the UMAC below the NathCon. The middle third of the UMAC would be the bottom third of the NathCon. The only argument would be that CSS is ranked higher in most seasons than the NathCon teams, but one team does not make a conference (see Boise State Football as an example).
Sorry, was suppose to be NATHCON than UMAC.
CSS vs Manhattanville in FLorida. Game 1: Gerten on the mound for the Saints and has had a rough outing but the offense has plated 14 runs and the Saints are up 14-6 in the 6th. From the sounds of the radio guys Gerten has been leaving pitches over the middle all day. Shakey outfield play in center too, a few routine balls dropped.
Live audio here: http://www.webc560.com/common/wm_player.php
CSS wins in slugfest 17-8. Looks like the Saints might have to score alot of runs this year as it appears their staff is going to need the support.
Saints winning game 2 12-1 in the 4th. Can anyone update how Bethany's trip went, they have nothing on their website.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 14, 2010, 05:09:08 PM
Saints winning game 2 12-1 in the 4th. Can anyone update how Bethany's trip went, they have nothing on their website.
http://www.d3baseball.com/school/BLC
I think Ramapo may have been rained out.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 14, 2010, 03:32:13 PM
CSS wins in slugfest 17-8. Looks like the Saints might have to score alot of runs this year as it appears their staff is going to need the support.
Any good hitting performances in that first game?
Any updates on Josh Hawkins for CSS since he left the St. Thomas game after 1 inning?
still good wins for CSS even though not in region, but a team that has won their regular season conference three years in a row
Sounds Like Hawkins will wait another week or so then have an MRI, may be UCL and he could be done.
Saints hit well but definately need to find a shutdown type guy. Gerten settled in a bit after he got a big lead but he needs to step up.
Quote from: schmolph on March 14, 2010, 08:04:54 PM
Sounds Like Hawkins will wait another week or so then have an MRI, may be UCL and he could be done.
Saints hit well but definately need to find a shutdown type guy. Gerten settled in a bit after he got a big lead but he needs to step up.
I think this will be a year that the saints only go as far as their offense can take them, which is new for them since their pitching is typically their strong. But look for CSS to build its pitching depth with a lot of guys hitting the mound
Agreed. Saints have some good young arms but will need some time to develop them. Young Vogelgesang has pitched pretty well for them. Guys who have been riding the pines the last couple years(pitchers) will need to step up this year and provide the necessary innings and leadership.
Quote from: schmolph on March 15, 2010, 05:42:07 AM
Agreed. Saints have some good young arms but will need some time to develop them. Young Vogelgesang has pitched pretty well for them. Guys who have been riding the pines the last couple years(pitchers) will need to step up this year and provide the necessary innings and leadership.
Apparently the Saints DH today got rescheduled for 11am central. Rumor on the street is that Jeff Adams will start game 1 for CSS, they need him to step up in a big way!
Saints win game 1 of DH 10-0. 0-0 game in the 5th and then CSS got into the bullpen. Complete game by Jeff Adams.
Saints win game 2,11-5. 53 runs in the last 4 games. Don't know if the offense is that potent or opposistion is not that good.
Quote from: schmolph on March 15, 2010, 06:44:32 PM
Saints win game 2,11-5. 53 runs in the last 4 games. Don't know if the offense is that potent or opposistion is not that good.
Based on what I have seen when watching CSS, I'm guessing the opposition is not that good. The lineup is decent, but it's not really 10 runs a game good against a real opponent. Plus, looking at their Florida schedule, its not exactly packed with high quality teams.
That may be true,but there is not alot of difference between them and the top MIAC teams as evidenced by recent games.
Quote from: schmolph on March 16, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
That may be true,but there is not alot of difference between them and the top MIAC teams as evidenced by recent games.
Agreed, not much difference offensively. CSS may be even alittle better. All I was saying is that if they were playing against a good squad I don't see them putting up the kind of runs they have been putting up. That generally doesn't happen against a strong opponent, no matter how good your offense is.
CSS just won 17-0 against Centenary College. Nice pitching performance out of Matt Lewis for the Saints. They are now 7-2 on the year. They have five more games in Florida later in the week.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 16, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: schmolph on March 16, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
That may be true,but there is not alot of difference between them and the top MIAC teams as evidenced by recent games.
Agreed, not much difference offensively. CSS may be even alittle better. All I was saying is that if they were playing against a good squad I don't see them putting up the kind of runs they have been putting up. That generally doesn't happen against a strong opponent, no matter how good your offense is.
Manhattanville is generally a decent team and has won their conference 3 years in a row, probably a mid MIAC team but not sure how they are this year. UWS is by far their biggest game that entire spring trip. Not only is it an in-region game against a decent UWS team, but this may be their first match against each other (may have played before) despite being located 15 minutes apart.
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 16, 2010, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 16, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: schmolph on March 16, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
That may be true,but there is not alot of difference between them and the top MIAC teams as evidenced by recent games.
Agreed, not much difference offensively. CSS may be even alittle better. All I was saying is that if they were playing against a good squad I don't see them putting up the kind of runs they have been putting up. That generally doesn't happen against a strong opponent, no matter how good your offense is.
Manhattanville is generally a decent team and has won their conference 3 years in a row, probably a mid MIAC team but not sure how they are this year. UWS is by far their biggest game that entire spring trip. Not only is it an in-region game against a decent UWS team, but this may be their first match against each other (may have played before) despite being located 15 minutes apart.
...if UWS is BY FAR the biggest game on your trip, then the spring trip schedule is BY FAR one of the easiest of any team's in the country.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 16, 2010, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 16, 2010, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 16, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: schmolph on March 16, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
That may be true,but there is not alot of difference between them and the top MIAC teams as evidenced by recent games.
Agreed, not much difference offensively. CSS may be even alittle better. All I was saying is that if they were playing against a good squad I don't see them putting up the kind of runs they have been putting up. That generally doesn't happen against a strong opponent, no matter how good your offense is.
Manhattanville is generally a decent team and has won their conference 3 years in a row, probably a mid MIAC team but not sure how they are this year. UWS is by far their biggest game that entire spring trip. Not only is it an in-region game against a decent UWS team, but this may be their first match against each other (may have played before) despite being located 15 minutes apart.
...if UWS is BY FAR the biggest game on your trip, then the spring trip schedule is BY FAR one of the easiest of any team's in the country.
I didnt say it was the best team they were playing, just said its in region and since its their only in region game, THAT makes it the most important. It wouldnt matter if they played Wooster, playing Wooster doesnt get you into the tourney. Figure out it out!
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 17, 2010, 08:02:57 AM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 16, 2010, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 16, 2010, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 16, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: schmolph on March 16, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
That may be true,but there is not alot of difference between them and the top MIAC teams as evidenced by recent games.
Agreed, not much difference offensively. CSS may be even alittle better. All I was saying is that if they were playing against a good squad I don't see them putting up the kind of runs they have been putting up. That generally doesn't happen against a strong opponent, no matter how good your offense is.
Manhattanville is generally a decent team and has won their conference 3 years in a row, probably a mid MIAC team but not sure how they are this year. UWS is by far their biggest game that entire spring trip. Not only is it an in-region game against a decent UWS team, but this may be their first match against each other (may have played before) despite being located 15 minutes apart.
...if UWS is BY FAR the biggest game on your trip, then the spring trip schedule is BY FAR one of the easiest of any team's in the country.
I didnt say it was the best team they were playing, just said its in region and since its their only in region game, THAT makes it the most important. It wouldnt matter if they played Wooster, playing Wooster doesnt get you into the tourney. Figure out it out!
Isn't Central an in region game too? Wouldn't that be just as big a game? I will spend the rest of my day trying to 'figure out it out' though.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 17, 2010, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 17, 2010, 08:02:57 AM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 16, 2010, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 16, 2010, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 16, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: schmolph on March 16, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
That may be true,but there is not alot of difference between them and the top MIAC teams as evidenced by recent games.
Agreed, not much difference offensively. CSS may be even alittle better. All I was saying is that if they were playing against a good squad I don't see them putting up the kind of runs they have been putting up. That generally doesn't happen against a strong opponent, no matter how good your offense is.
Manhattanville is generally a decent team and has won their conference 3 years in a row, probably a mid MIAC team but not sure how they are this year. UWS is by far their biggest game that entire spring trip. Not only is it an in-region game against a decent UWS team, but this may be their first match against each other (may have played before) despite being located 15 minutes apart.
...if UWS is BY FAR the biggest game on your trip, then the spring trip schedule is BY FAR one of the easiest of any team's in the country.
I didnt say it was the best team they were playing, just said its in region and since its their only in region game, THAT makes it the most important. It wouldnt matter if they played Wooster, playing Wooster doesnt get you into the tourney. Figure out it out!
Isn't Central an in region game too? Wouldn't that be just as big a game? I will spend the rest of my day trying to 'figure out it out' though.
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Sorry missed them, but still UWS is bigger than them since they are so closely located. But if you think someone is a bigger game for them on their trip... Remember most teams dont necessarily schedule who they play on spring trips and are kind of locked into who is at the same location during the same spring break
Bethany swept st johns. 9 to 1 and 6 to 3
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 17, 2010, 09:50:57 PM
Bethany swept st johns. 9 to 1 and 6 to 3
There's been a Dorris sighting, and Callahan struck out 11 in 6 IP.
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Bethany swept st johns. 9 to 1 and 6 to 3
I thought the Johnnies would put up more of a fight than that.
Quote from: OshDude on March 18, 2010, 04:35:08 AM
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Bethany swept st johns. 9 to 1 and 6 to 3
There's been a Dorris sighting, and Callahan struck out 11 in 6 IP.
Interesting that Dorris threw 6 innings. That seems to rule out him being injured because you think he would have been eased back into it a bit with only a few innings for his first outing. Is anyone ready to spill the beans on why he hasn't pitched until their 10th game of the season?
He was supposed to throw in FLA but Bethany had 3 double headers rained out. How bout that Hallahan kid though, he has 35 k's and 3 walks in 24 innings with a .50 ERA. And let me save you the time of posting MIACLUV "well look who they have played, he will get blown up by the almighty MIAC" Is that about right?
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 18, 2010, 10:31:20 AM
He was supposed to throw in FLA but Bethany had 3 double headers rained out. How bout that Hallahan kid though, he has 35 k's and 3 walks in 24 innings with a .50 ERA. And let me save you the time of posting MIACLUV "well look who they have played, he will get blown up by the almighty MIAC" Is that about right?
The kid is obviously quite impressive. Those numbers are nice, I don't care who the opponent is, and he actually has done it against some decent teams. Dare we call him the cat's ass? He has first team all american written all over him. I can't forsee him losing a game all year.
I have not seen him pitch but I'm guessing with those strikeout numbers he must be a power guy with a nice hook?
CSS is trying to come back from trailing 12-1 in the 4th. It's now 12-5. Apparently the 2pm start time listed on their website is a myth. The game can be heard at http://www.webc560.com/common/wm_player.php
16-7 in the 6th. Rutgers Camden giving the Saints a shart canning.
Quote from: biggio34 on March 18, 2010, 01:57:10 PM
16-7 in the 6th. Rutgers Camden giving the Saints a shart canning.
18-7. YUCK! I never thought I would say this, but I'm considering turning the radio off. Did I mention YUCK!
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16-7 in the 6th. Rutgers Camden giving the Saints a shart canning.
18-7. YUCK! I never thought I would say this, but I'm considering turning the radio off. Did I mention YUCK!
Um... 20-9 in the 8th. Saints need 2 or its over. Announcers say CSS hasnt been 10 run'd since 2000.
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16-7 in the 6th. Rutgers Camden giving the Saints a shart canning.
18-7. YUCK! I never thought I would say this, but I'm considering turning the radio off. Did I mention YUCK!
Um... 20-9 in the 8th. Saints need 2 or its over. Announcers say CSS hasnt been 10 run'd since 2000.
play by play man screw up. No 10 run rule I guess. Now its in the 9th.
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16-7 in the 6th. Rutgers Camden giving the Saints a shart canning.
18-7. YUCK! I never thought I would say this, but I'm considering turning the radio off. Did I mention YUCK!
Um... 20-9 in the 8th. Saints need 2 or its over. Announcers say CSS hasnt been 10 run'd since 2000.
play by play man screw up. No 10 run rule I guess. Now its in the 9th.
These radio guys sound like their dog just got run over by a car.
Um yeah, its final now. 20-9. Saints give up 25 hits and make 7 errors! They have 4 more games in FLA and at this point im not sure they can beat anyone. I can smell it all the way back in Minnesota and google tells me that its 1,752 miles away.
Where do I start? Teams lose in Florida, but to get drubbed is a whole other story. Do any midwest teams want a Pool B, Bethany took there bad loss to Altoona and now CSS drops to Rutgers Camden. I'm leaving this alone UMAC guys chat amongst yourselves!
Here's the problem when you're playing 10 or 11 games in 8 days: you can't burn up your bullpen if you're getting hammered. Sometimes you just have to get clobbered and eat it.
And, when you're getting clobbered, your defense usually sucks.
Quote from: RSSmith on March 18, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
Here's the problem when you're playing 10 or 11 games in 8 days: you can't burn up your bullpen if you're getting hammered. Sometimes you just have to get clobbered and eat it.
True you cant burn up your bullpen especially when they have 2 DHs left with I think 2 in region games, still doesnt look good
In the eyes of the selection committee the losses to Altoona and Rutgers-Camden never happened because they were out of region. Now if it comes down to a close race between them and someone else on who to take the committee may look at those games. Otherwise they don't matter.
CSS finishes their florida trip going 9-1 and move to 11-3 overall on the year. Today they beat UW-Superior 9-0 and Central 8-7 in a pair of 9 inning games.
First I would like to congratulate Bethany and St. Scholastica on there good starts (BLC 8-2 & CSS 11-3). The rest of the UMAC, C'MON 7-32! REALLY, quit costing the two decent teams a chance at the tournament. You're going to murder their chances to get a bid with that stinkyness!
Also some nice UMAC action at the dome this thursday. I was perusing the WIAC schedules and I saw that Bethany gets the Titans. That should be a nice test, also St. Scholastica has Augs in the morning game. I may just have to roll out of bed to get another look at these squads.
Lastly, wasn't the Smith kid who once upon a time was as Hamline a coach at Bethany last year? I saw his name in the stats and did a little research, sure enough that's him. How is this legal? If he got paid or was given anything, isn't that a violation? It would be interesting to no a little more about the rules here, maybe somone with a little more knowledge could enlighten us.
Quote from: MIACLUV on March 23, 2010, 04:44:45 PM
Lastly, wasn't the Smith kid who once upon a time was as Hamline a coach at Bethany last year? I saw his name in the stats and did a little research, sure enough that's him. How is this legal? If he got paid or was given anything, isn't that a violation? It would be interesting to no a little more about the rules here, maybe somone with a little more knowledge could enlighten us.
Interesting... I have no idea if its the same person, but I do see the name Ben Smith in their listing of assistant coaches for last year. It's a pretty common name though, maybe it is a different person??
Doesn't seem like it would be right to have a coach one year be a player the next year to me, but I have no idea, maybe it's perfectly legal??
It is legal. A college kid can have a job, can't he?
I have no knowledge on the case, but wouldn't be uncommon for a head coach to keep someone who's not on the team (for injury, for grades, not quite good enough, can't make a full commitment) as a "student assistant coach". Maybe the coach likes the kid, but he just couldn't play for whatever reason, but the coach thought he was worth keeping around. Typically a student assistant coach may not be much more than a glorified team manager or an extra guy to keep the pitching chart. If he got paid at all (doubtful) it wouldn't matter. He's getting paid to coach, not to play. It'd be the same as a player making money coaching a summer team. Plus, he no longer attends the school that may or may not have paid him to coach, so what would be the problem.
Quote from: Just Bill on March 23, 2010, 09:54:14 PM
It is legal. A college kid can have a job, can't he?
I have no knowledge on the case, but wouldn't be uncommon for a head coach to keep someone who's not on the team (for injury, for grades, not quite good enough, can't make a full commitment) as a "student assistant coach". Maybe the coach likes the kid, but he just couldn't play for whatever reason, but the coach thought he was worth keeping around. Typically a student assistant coach may not be much more than a glorified team manager or an extra guy to keep the pitching chart. If he got paid at all (doubtful) it wouldn't matter. He's getting paid to coach, not to play. It'd be the same as a player making money coaching a summer team. Plus, he no longer attends the school that may or may not have paid him to coach, so what would be the problem.
I agree that it shouldn't be an issue, but just seems like the sort of thing the NCAA would be picky and annoying about. And regarding your last sentence... He does attend the school that may or may not have paid him to coach, last year he was a coach for Bethany, and this year he is their starting second baseman.
That fact that MIACLUV brought it up makes me think that there is nothing to worry about. Last time I checked being a student assistant wasn't a violation. More interested in miacluv's angle? I think Mr Luv might be more worried about the UMAC's top 2 then he leads on.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 24, 2010, 03:56:22 PM
That fact that MIACLUV brought it up makes me think that there is nothing to worry about. Last time I checked being a student assistant wasn't a violation. More interested in miacluv's angle? I think Mr Luv might be more worried about the UMAC's top 2 then he leads on.
We will get to see how those top 2 stack up against the MIAC.
So far Bethany is 5-1 vs MIAC with 5 games remaining... 2 against St. Olaf, 2 against Gustavus, and a single against Macalaster.
CSS is 2-2, also with 5 games remaininig... 2 against Augsburg (tomorrow), 2 against St. Olaf, and a single against St. Thomas.
These games obviously mean alot more to CSS and Bethany as they don't have the auto bid, but I'm sure the MIAC'ers dont take them lightly either. Can't wait for more!
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 24, 2010, 03:56:22 PM
That fact that MIACLUV brought it up makes me think that there is nothing to worry about. Last time I checked being a student assistant wasn't a violation. More interested in miacluv's angle? I think Mr Luv might be more worried about the UMAC's top 2 then he leads on.
More curious than anything why he left Hamline? What took him to Bethany? Why is he listed as a coach rather than a student assistant on old web pages (google: Ben Smith Bethany Lutheran). If he had eligibility, why didn't he play last year? You seem to have the answers so lets have it. If he's the student assistant than I don't think there's any rules against that. Be interested to know if he left because he wasn't a big fan of Verdugo, or was he not asked back, because I believe he started at Mankato State and left there as well. You're just a fan ;) so you might not have the answers.
Big games for the Vikings against Oshkosh. Anyone (besides MIACLUV) have any predictions on today's games? Hope the vikings show up ready to play.
CSS and Augsburg are playing right now. CSS up 8-0 after two innings.
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CSS wins both, 15-2 and 5-3.
Quote from: beejo on March 25, 2010, 01:59:34 PM
CSS wins both, 15-2 and 5-3.
Another win over the MIAC looks good in the eyes of the selection committee as the UMAC takes a beating when compared to the "other" MN conference.
Bethany splits today. Lost 2-1, won 6-2. Good outings by hallahan and dorris. Good split for the Vikings.
Even if they would have lost both, just playing Oshkosh helps BLC. It raised their OWP from .180 to .280! The win was a bonus.
By the way an average OWP is .500. .280 is still last place in the midwest.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 25, 2010, 10:27:02 AM
Big games for the Vikings against Oshkosh. Anyone (besides MIACLUV) have any predictions on today's games? Hope the vikings show up ready to play.
Congrats, that's a great split for your squad. There's no need to exclude a fellow poster, just because they have criticism of your beloved Vikings. Are you that guy who's blood boils when your at a game and someone sitting close to you isn't cheering for your squad. It'll be ok, you have a good team. Be happy ;D. And be greatful you don't have the Tommies!
pretty impresive victory for Bethany Lutheran yesterday over Buena Vista... If memory serves me right MIACLOVER ... St. Olaf had a heck of a time handling the Beavers with their top end guys.... Bethany handled them easily going through all pitchers and staffing it yesterday bout time you admit that the top two UMAC teams are FOR REAL isnt it? Bethany has Morris this weekend ... what are some of the other interesting UMAC and MIAC openers?
I will give St. Thomas credit they are a heck of a team and a class act ... how good is the Murray kid from Mac? Comparisons to a UST Stud please?
Quote from: BASEBALLLOVER18 on March 31, 2010, 10:02:27 PM
pretty impresive victory for Bethany Lutheran yesterday over Buena Vista... If memory serves me right MIACLOVER ... St. Olaf had a heck of a time handling the Beavers with their top end guys.... Bethany handled them easily going through all pitchers and staffing it yesterday bout time you admit that the top two UMAC teams are FOR REAL isnt it? Bethany has Morris this weekend ... what are some of the other interesting UMAC and MIAC openers?
Bethany and St. Scholastica are good teams, you need to look back and get your smack together a little better. The UMAC is a BAD conference and the two teams at the top are the only ones that can compete outside of it! Pretty sure in the past I've said that the two of you would suffer in the MIAC because you wouldn't be able to hold the top pitchers out versus conference games to save them to play the Tommies and Olafs of the world (this years Olaf's you could probably throw off). In MIAC conference season you have to throw your top 4 every weekend! St. Scholastica's ranking is based on the past right now, they're 13-3 right now and played the Tommies tight, but I am in line with the coaches pre-season poll right now with Bethany as the favorite. St.Scholastica is down on the mound so you Bethany guys should handle them because outside the Tommies you're they're only other big games of the season. I see you getting 2-3 up in Duluth assuming you start Hallahan, Dorris, Greibock
As for Murray don't stress...I doubt you'll see him in a mid-week series. Mac is in the hunt for the MIAC tourney so I would assume they'll take the 2 conf wins (Conc wknd before & GAC wknd after) to position themselves for the tourney. But how good is he? Very! Doesn't locate as well as Schuldt but has better stuff when he's on. Schuldt's control makes him the best in the region.
Have to agree, MIACLUV hasn't bashed the UMAC's top 2. The league? Yes, with good reason.
My apologies to MIACLOVER.... predictions for todays UMAC opening action? I have Presentation taking all three from MLC. CSS taking all three from northwestern (2 already won) Bethany taking all three from Morris and Northland taking 2 of 3 from crown.
I hope they're trying to get those games in today because the weather this weekend is not suppose to be good 70% chance of showers here in the twin cities starting this afternoon! St. Scholastica & Northwestern made the right decision to get there games in yesterday and today.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 02, 2010, 10:15:52 AM
I hope they're trying to get those games in today because the weather this weekend is not suppose to be good 70% chance of showers here in the twin cities starting this afternoon! St. Scholastica & Northwestern made the right decision to get there games in yesterday and today.
Presentation and MLC made that change as well.
Bethany wins 6-1 today, Hallahan goes 8, K's 14 and walks 1.
Looks like Saturday will yield better conditions for the UMAC conference play. Gusty wins and rain made the Morris/Bethany game closer than it should have been ..... what are the other scores around the UMAC
CSS beat Northwestern 8-0 and 21-4 on Thursday,rained out Friday.
Miacluv, surely u cant be happy with your split with St Johns...
You are right, I am not happy with a split. But your level of concern should maybe be a bit higher seeing as your squad barely squeaked by a team with ZERO WINS ON THE YEAR."
I wonder how bethany would do against st johns...
Quote from: paulisdeadman on April 08, 2010, 01:06:59 PM
I wonder how bethany would do against st johns...
Well, if we were to take a look at the small sample size we have of Bethany v St. Johns this year and extrapolate it out 100 games or so, Bethany would win all 100 I'm sure. No doubt.
I hope that people aren't taking this Tommies loss as a sign they are not a great team. Even great teams lose games. I wouldn't read much into a 1 run loss on a windy day against a fair team. And I definately don't see the Tommies in a new light after this loss. They are still the best team in the country.
CSS sweeps St. Olaf today 14-6, 8-0
WHITE FLAG!!!!
Your conference has the 2nd & 3rd best teams in the state. Would like to see the battle in Duluth next weekend, should be a good one!
Friday's game will be a 6 o'clock start time. The teams are having a cancer awareness game. Both teams have lost great coaches in the recent past to cancer. To honor them they will wear special jersey's with the coach's name and number on the back and have their kids throw out the first pitch. Just want to say kudos to the coaches/teams for honoring these men and the many others that have fought the good fight, only to succumb to cancer. Regardless of the outcome both teams will be winners on this night.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 13, 2010, 11:43:37 AM
WHITE FLAG!!!!
Your conference has the 2nd & 3rd best teams in the state. Would like to see the battle in Duluth next weekend, should be a good one!
I think a lot of UMAC followers may have already known that at the beginning of the season
Anyone have any idea who might be pitching this weekend for Bethany vs CSS? I'm guessing both teams will have their top 4 or 5 pitchers ready to go but it will be interesting to see what order the teams roll out their guys. Can't wait for this series, it should be alot of fun!
Based on what both teams have done so far this season:
Predictions:
Friday: Gerten vs Hallahan
Saturday: Lewis vs Dorris
Game 2 : Adams vs Henley
Looks like those have been the top 3 starters for each team so far, I see Gerten & Hallahan as the guys that can go deep into a 9 inning Friday game. I wouldn't be surprised if Bethany does change there things around and try to mismatch to see if they can get 2 of 3.
I may have to make the drive on Friday, Tommies don't play until Saturday.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 15, 2010, 01:32:24 PM
Based on what both teams have done so far this season:
Predictions:
Friday: Gerten vs Hallahan
Saturday: Lewis vs Dorris
Game 2 : Adams vs Henley
Looks like those have been the top 3 starters for each team so far, I see Gerten & Hallahan as the guys that can go deep into a 9 inning Friday game. I wouldn't be surprised if Bethany does change there things around and try to mismatch to see if they can get 2 of 3.
I may have to make the drive on Friday, Tommies don't play until Saturday.
And what pitcher would you target to set up this "mismatch"? From what I have seen, the main CSS starters are all fairly comparable. They don't necessarily have an ace. It will come down to who can execute pitches for their team and what offense can step and get it done. I think all the pitching matchups over the 3 games will be even with an advantage going to Bethany in the game that Hallanhan pitches.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 15, 2010, 01:32:24 PM
Based on what both teams have done so far this season:
Predictions:
Friday: Gerten vs Hallahan
Saturday: Lewis vs Dorris
Game 2 : Adams vs Henley
Looks like those have been the top 3 starters for each team so far, I see Gerten & Hallahan as the guys that can go deep into a 9 inning Friday game. I wouldn't be surprised if Bethany does change there things around and try to mismatch to see if they can get 2 of 3.
I may have to make the drive on Friday, Tommies don't play until Saturday.
I would probably switch Friday's game starters with the second game of Saturday...you cant bank on a pitcher going 9 innings unless he is Jordan Zimmermann, so you pitch your top 2 pitchers in the 7 inning games. Its going to take 2 guys in a 9 inning game anyways. I have a feeling these games are not going to pitchers duels anyways. The pitchers that dont walk many batters (hurt Dorris last year in the UMAC tourney) and defense plays well will probably come out with at least 2 Ws
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 15, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 15, 2010, 01:32:24 PM
Based on what both teams have done so far this season:
Predictions:
Friday: Gerten vs Hallahan
Saturday: Lewis vs Dorris
Game 2 : Adams vs Henley
Looks like those have been the top 3 starters for each team so far, I see Gerten & Hallahan as the guys that can go deep into a 9 inning Friday game. I wouldn't be surprised if Bethany does change there things around and try to mismatch to see if they can get 2 of 3.
I may have to make the drive on Friday, Tommies don't play until Saturday.
I would probably switch Friday's game starters with the second game of Saturday...you cant bank on a pitcher going 9 innings unless he is Jordan Zimmermann, so you pitch your top 2 pitchers in the 7 inning games. Its going to take 2 guys in a 9 inning game anyways. I have a feeling these games are not going to pitchers duels anyways. The pitchers that dont walk many batters (hurt Dorris last year in the UMAC tourney) and defense plays well will probably come out with at least 2 Ws
What if you need to win all three games though? Then you would throw your best pitcher who you feel is best suited to go 9 innings in the 9 inning game and if you need to go to the pen you have a decision to make based on the game. If its close and you don't have a closer (which neither of these teams do) you probably bring in you next best starter to close. And, if you are a WIAC team, you probably start that guy in the next game.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 16, 2010, 02:23:33 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 15, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 15, 2010, 01:32:24 PM
Based on what both teams have done so far this season:
Predictions:
Friday: Gerten vs Hallahan
Saturday: Lewis vs Dorris
Game 2 : Adams vs Henley
Looks like those have been the top 3 starters for each team so far, I see Gerten & Hallahan as the guys that can go deep into a 9 inning Friday game. I wouldn't be surprised if Bethany does change there things around and try to mismatch to see if they can get 2 of 3.
I may have to make the drive on Friday, Tommies don't play until Saturday.
I would probably switch Friday's game starters with the second game of Saturday...you cant bank on a pitcher going 9 innings unless he is Jordan Zimmermann, so you pitch your top 2 pitchers in the 7 inning games. Its going to take 2 guys in a 9 inning game anyways. I have a feeling these games are not going to pitchers duels anyways. The pitchers that dont walk many batters (hurt Dorris last year in the UMAC tourney) and defense plays well will probably come out with at least 2 Ws
What if you need to win all three games though? Then you would throw your best pitcher who you feel is best suited to go 9 innings in the 9 inning game and if you need to go to the pen you have a decision to make based on the game. If its close and you don't have a closer (which neither of these teams do) you probably bring in you next best starter to close. And, if you are a WIAC team, you probably start that guy in the next game.
The WIAC quote is priceless:) I think the Bethany needs to play each game as if it is their last this weekend. CSS can play it a little safer based on their OWP.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 16, 2010, 02:23:33 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 15, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 15, 2010, 01:32:24 PM
Based on what both teams have done so far this season:
Predictions:
Friday: Gerten vs Hallahan
Saturday: Lewis vs Dorris
Game 2 : Adams vs Henley
Looks like those have been the top 3 starters for each team so far, I see Gerten & Hallahan as the guys that can go deep into a 9 inning Friday game. I wouldn't be surprised if Bethany does change there things around and try to mismatch to see if they can get 2 of 3.
I may have to make the drive on Friday, Tommies don't play until Saturday.
I would probably switch Friday's game starters with the second game of Saturday...you cant bank on a pitcher going 9 innings unless he is Jordan Zimmermann, so you pitch your top 2 pitchers in the 7 inning games. Its going to take 2 guys in a 9 inning game anyways. I have a feeling these games are not going to pitchers duels anyways. The pitchers that dont walk many batters (hurt Dorris last year in the UMAC tourney) and defense plays well will probably come out with at least 2 Ws
What if you need to win all three games though? Then you would throw your best pitcher who you feel is best suited to go 9 innings in the 9 inning game and if you need to go to the pen you have a decision to make based on the game. If its close and you don't have a closer (which neither of these teams do) you probably bring in you next best starter to close. And, if you are a WIAC team, you probably start that guy in the next game.
Its a big risk to take to throw your best in a 9 inning. Any of those guys could throw a CG in a 7 inning, big risk to think one could go to 9 and if you need to burn your second best guy to close now you have used your best 2 and have no one the next 2 day for 2 games (granted you could probably throw that 2nd guy 5 innings, but they arent that good to do that and be very effective). So you just put yourself at risk for going 1-2 instead of 2-1. I dont think Bethany is going in really believing they can sweep. they will be happy to go 2-1 and then come back and face CSS in the tourney and try to steal 2 wins again.
Well here are your starting pitchers Hallahan vs Vogelgesang in tonights game at 6pm.
Should be a good night for a game and special night as both of these teams are remembering talented coaches who passed away due to cancer.
Well what do you say. Bethany loses 5-4 on a game winning walk. Hallahan throws another gem. Tough loss. Its always tough to lose, but when you lose when an ump decides to shoebox you, its even tougher. For all of you that will say its just Bethany complaining, even the CSS announcers were baffled by the umps strike zone in the 9th. Bethany needs to bounce back tom.
I must have been listening to a different game, because I'm pretty sure I heard them praising the umpires calls. Having been to Wade Stadium before there is no better seat to judge the zone (corner to corner) than the roof of the grandstand directly above the plate! Height on the pitch is tough but they were pretty clear that the corners were being missed but not by much. Not quite following the logic of using Dorris in that game. Shows very little faith in the rest of that staff to use your #2 to close. Bethany needs 2 of 3 and that move will not help. It sounded like the Hallahan kid was great, but in a 9 inning game you can't expect him to go complete. I think they had said on the air that they estimated him at around 140 pitches with gas left in the tank. Right move to get him out for health reasons. Be interested to see how the pitching match-ups shake out tomorrow, though I'm pretty sure Dorris will get a start.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on April 16, 2010, 10:53:18 PM
Well what do you say. Bethany loses 5-4 on a game winning walk. Hallahan throws another gem. Tough loss. Its always tough to lose, but when you lose when an ump decides to shoebox you, its even tougher. For all of you that will say its just Bethany complaining, even the CSS announcers were baffled by the umps strike zone in the 9th. Bethany needs to bounce back tom.
I listened in as well and not once did the announcers complain about umpires calls. On multiple occasions on calls going for both teams did the CSS announcers praise the quality of the calls. Specifically I remember a play at the plate in the middle innings when a Scholastica guy got thrown out trying to score from second on a single to left (I think)... anyway, according to the announcers the runner beat the throw, but the ump called him out correctly because the catcher blocked the plate nicely. Who said anything about shoeboxing?
Maybe baffled was the wrong word. haha I agree that umpiring for game was very good. I mean anytime a guy has double digit K's he isn't getting squeezed. But I personally felt like it was a diff zone in the 9th. Please don't fine me for being critical of the umpiring. Anyway, that game is over now. It will be interesting to see how BLC bounces or doesn't bounce back today. Anyone go to the game? How was the crowd? Hopefully they were able to raise money.
The video feed on the pitch was inconclusive. Joe said the plate umpire "completed his perfect game," if I recall correctly. The BLC second baseman felt otherwise obviously. Intense CSS UMAC game in mid April? I like it. What a game ...
Quote from: BRONKO7 on April 17, 2010, 12:39:28 AM
I must have been listening to a different game, because I'm pretty sure I heard them praising the umpires calls. Having been to Wade Stadium before there is no better seat to judge the zone (corner to corner) than the roof of the grandstand directly above the plate! Height on the pitch is tough but they were pretty clear that the corners were being missed but not by much. Not quite following the logic of using Dorris in that game. Shows very little faith in the rest of that staff to use your #2 to close. Bethany needs 2 of 3 and that move will not help. It sounded like the Hallahan kid was great, but in a 9 inning game you can't expect him to go complete. I think they had said on the air that they estimated him at around 140 pitches with gas left in the tank. Right move to get him out for health reasons. Be interested to see how the pitching match-ups shake out tomorrow, though I'm pretty sure Dorris will get a start.
Like I said before by throwing your #1 in a 9 inning game is a mistake for the reason that happened last night. If it was a 7inning game Hallahan would of received the win. However since it was a 9 inning game he had to be pulled and they brought in their #2 who couldnt get it done. Now CSS is sitting there with their top 3 and Bethany burned their 1 and part of 2.
I didnt see the pitch or the video feed but from seeing Dorris pitch before he doesnt have the greatest control despite good stuff and CSS hitters are very disciplined so I think that had a lot to do with it and not being squeezed
Dorris didn't throw very many pitches so I would be surprised if he didn't throw today. Plus they still have hendley (sp?)
Quote from: paulisdeadman on April 17, 2010, 11:10:26 AM
Dorris didn't throw very many pitches so I would be surprised if he didn't throw today. Plus they still have hendley (sp?)
Yea he should probably go in game two, but he did probably throw 20 pitches or so yesterday still makes a difference.
CSS wins game one 7-2 behind a nice outing from Steve Gerten
CSS finishes with a 3 game sweep over bethany with a 4-3 win
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 17, 2010, 05:00:49 PM
CSS finishes with a 3 game sweep over bethany with a 4-3 win
IMHO, this throws BLC onto the bubble for the 4th spot.
CSS and Chapman look to be the class of Pool B.
Ithaca is starting to pick up in-region wins, a few of which should be over in-region ranked opponents.
I would not say Gerten had a nice outing when you walk 7,including 4 in a row at one point,hit 2 and throw a wp. You can't do this and win very often. Lewis looked good again as did Vogelgesang and of course Nystrom.Gerten did hit very well however, Saints played very well and Bethany is also a very good team just not as good as the Saints this particular weekend.
Quote from: schmolph on April 17, 2010, 09:21:03 PM
I would not say Gerten had a nice outing when you walk 7,including 4 in a row at one point,hit 2 and throw a wp. You can't do this and win very often. Lewis looked good again as did Vogelgesang and of course Nystrom.Gerten did hit very well however, Saints played very well and Bethany is also a very good team just not as good as the Saints this particular weekend.
True missed all the walks, just saw the runs and 2 hits allowed. I didnt look in depth my mistake. But I would still take 6 innings and only 2 earned runs allowed from a starting pitcher.
Listened to Friday night on the radio and attended Saturday's games at Wade... This is now a very exciting rivalry. All three games were well played by both teams. I might venture to guess it's the first 3 game series in the history of UMAC competition where only 5 errors were made. Other thoughts...
1. CSS pitching was not dominate, but it is very capable. I didn't get to see the freshman on Friday, but that is his second strong outing of the year (St. Thomas was the other) where he faired well against a good offensive team. Neither Gerten or Lewis were sharp (too many walks), but they are both competitors and both could dominate any team in the region when they are on.
2. Cody Hallahan is a top pitcher in the region. Schuld, Murrey, Hallahan, I'd take any of the three in any order. I wish I could have watched him throw but after talking to some of the people that did, I know several CSS fans went away impressed. Sounded like the Scholastica hitters were able to take him deep in the count and drive his pitch count up, but he was able to finish them off time and again.
3. CSS is a slightly stronger offensive team, and have a bit more depth in the bullpen. This gives them an edge in a 3 games series, but a much slighter edge in a one game situation where everything is on the line.
4. Umpiring did not decide either game on Saturday, and from the sounds of it, it didn't decide the game on Friday either. You are always going to have close calls and disputed calls in a close game, but I have a hard time believing that for every call that goes against you, that there were not just as many that went your way. Regardless of the umpiring, there are always moments in a game where the players decide the outcome, its just that everyone remembers that questionable call that "lost" the game. Whatever.
5. I can't wait to watch these teams square off again in the conference tourney.
Changing topics... Is Presentation good? They are 11-1 and in 2nd place in the umac but have not played Bethany or CSS. I noticed that most of their 11 losses have been in close games.
And congrats to Martin Luther for getting off the loss train with a nice three game sweep of Northland over the weekend. Its the first wins for their new head coach.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 18, 2010, 10:02:26 PM
Changing topics... Is Presentation good? They are 11-1 and in 2nd place in the umac but have not played Bethany or CSS. I noticed that most of their 11 losses have been in close games.
And congrats to Martin Luther for getting off the loss train with a nice three game sweep of Northland over the weekend. Its the first wins for their new head coach.
Unfortunately Presentation is not that good by just looking at their schedule, but maybe in person they are better. They are actually 10-2 in the conference. 27-76 is the record of the bottom 5 in the UMAC. They are 3-10 in their lackluster non-conference schedule. They started their season 0-8 so they have rebounded well but i foresee them ending their regular season with 6 straight losses.
side note after looking at their stats it looks like they hit the ball decently (probably inflated due to schedule), their ERA is not good at all.
Well maybe Presentation is better than I expected as they took one from CSS in extra innings in walk/error filled game from both teams. CSS rebounded and took game two. Bethany may not even place second in the UMAC at this rate
CSS wrapped up the conference last night with a sweet of Crown College. This weekends games will determine the 4th team to make the UMAC tourney as both Northwestern and Morris still have a shot. Bethany and Presentation will battle for the 2 and 3 seeds although they are already set to play each other in the first round of the conference tourney so I'm not sure either will show off their pitching this weekend. Bethany is still playing for a possible pool B though so they need a sweep.
Here is the preseason coaches poll...
2010 UMAC Baseball Preseason Coaches' Poll
1. Bethany Lutheran College - 48 Points (6 First Place Votes)
2. College of St. Scholastica - 44 Points (2)
3. Northwestern College - 34 Points
4. Presentation College - 30 Points
5. Northland College - 24 Points
6. Martin Luther College - 22 Points
7. University of Minnesota-Morris - 15 Points
8. Crown College - 7 points
I don't know why I posted this other than I found it really interesting at the beginning of the year that a team that had won all 13 conference titles was dethrowned in the voting before anyone has ever come close to hanging with them. You can say all you want about the games that CSS drops here and there in the UMAC, but I was still shocked that they were not picked to win the conference this year. With that said I think the conference tournament should be very exciting as Bethany has certainly proven to be a strong contender and Presentation appears to be a pretty good team as well.
Does anyone think that Bethany still has a shot at a Pool B with a clean sweep of the UMAC tournament? Is there any way CSS doesnt make a regional?
Team RPI Win % OWP OOWP SOS
77 St. Scholastica 0.592 0.862 0.542 0.489 0.524
334 Bethany Lutheran 0.510 0.750 0.423 0.505 0.45
(RPI is .75*SOS+.25*Win%)
I don't think this is fair at all but I'd say...
1) CSS is in regardless of the UMAC tourney
2) BLC will have a slim to none shot even if they go undefeated in the tourney
This is because...
1) Playing a team doesn't increase OWP, apparently, so the potential games against CSS don't change the SOSs. BLC will still be held back by that ugly SOS, which they can't really control. They've played some pretty good teams outside of their conference. But overall SOS seems to be way too important.
2) CSS has already beaten BLC 3 times, giving CSS the head-to-head advantage regardless of the playoffs.
3) BLC currently owns a 1-3 record against regionally ranked teams (could be 2-4 if St. Olaf sneaks in over Edgewood next week)
Completely unfair. Ithaca's in better shape than BLC because they got their butt kicked in California instead of NY or PA. BLC is in a bad position because they've beaten who's in their conference.
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 07, 2010, 03:17:18 PM
Team RPI Win % OWP OOWP SOS
77 St. Scholastica 0.592 0.862 0.542 0.489 0.524
334 Bethany Lutheran 0.510 0.750 0.423 0.505 0.45
(RPI is .75*SOS+.25*Win%)
I don't think this is fair at all but I'd say...
1) CSS is in regardless of the UMAC tourney
2) BLC will have a slim to none shot even if they go undefeated in the tourney
This is because...
1) Playing a team doesn't increase OWP, apparently, so the potential games against CSS don't change the SOSs. BLC will still be held back by that ugly SOS, which they can't really control. They've played some pretty good teams outside of their conference. But overall SOS seems to be way too important.
2) CSS has already beaten BLC 3 times, giving CSS the head-to-head advantage regardless of the playoffs.
3) BLC currently owns a 1-3 record against regionally ranked teams (could be 2-4 if St. Olaf sneaks in over Edgewood next week)
Completely unfair. Ithaca's in better shape than BLC because they got their butt kicked in California instead of NY or PA. BLC is in a bad position because they've beaten who's in their conference.
Agreed, Bethany is a regional worthy team and it sucks that their conference games are hindering their potential to get in. Nice breakdown Johnny, thanks!
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 07, 2010, 03:17:18 PM
1) Playing a team doesn't increase OWP, apparently, so the potential games against CSS don't change the SOSs.
Not true. The CSS vs. BLC games don't count in CSS record for BLC, but all of CSS' other regional wins and losses do.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 07, 2010, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 07, 2010, 03:17:18 PM
Team RPI Win % OWP OOWP SOS
77 St. Scholastica 0.592 0.862 0.542 0.489 0.524
334 Bethany Lutheran 0.510 0.750 0.423 0.505 0.45
(RPI is .75*SOS+.25*Win%)
I don't think this is fair at all but I'd say...
1) CSS is in regardless of the UMAC tourney
2) BLC will have a slim to none shot even if they go undefeated in the tourney
This is because...
1) Playing a team doesn't increase OWP, apparently, so the potential games against CSS don't change the SOSs. BLC will still be held back by that ugly SOS, which they can't really control. They've played some pretty good teams outside of their conference. But overall SOS seems to be way too important.
2) CSS has already beaten BLC 3 times, giving CSS the head-to-head advantage regardless of the playoffs.
3) BLC currently owns a 1-3 record against regionally ranked teams (could be 2-4 if St. Olaf sneaks in over Edgewood next week)
Completely unfair. Ithaca's in better shape than BLC because they got their butt kicked in California instead of NY or PA. BLC is in a bad position because they've beaten who's in their conference.
Agreed, Bethany is a regional worthy team and it sucks that their conference games are hindering their potential to get in. Nice breakdown Johnny, thanks!
Just remember that CSS and BLC play the same teams in the conference so if BLC wants to increase that SOS they need to keep scheduling better teams. They made a good effort this year but the teams outside of the UMAC did not have great records. The best record was St. Olaf who was 22-16 which is not going to help them out a ton. It really hurt them that Oshkosh had a losing record and no one in the MIAC was not imressive besides Thomas who they didnt play. Where CSS had 3 games against Thomas and one against Central College which helps them out a lot
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 08, 2010, 09:27:32 AM
... Where CSS had 3 games against Thomas and one against Central College which helps them out a lot.
Please remember that the OWP/OOWP considers unique opponents.
Whether you play a team 6 times or just a single game, that team is only counted once in the OWP calculations
ERRATA: See Pat Coleman's post below!
Thanks, Pat
Ralph, this isn't true. The handbook is written poorly.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2010, 04:02:50 PM
Ralph, this isn't true. The handbook is written poorly.
Thank goodness. I was going to say if that's how it is that makes no logical sense. How could I play the #1 team in the country 10 times and the #300 team once, while you do the opposite and we end up with the same SOS? That wouldn't make any sense at all.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2010, 04:02:50 PM
Ralph, this isn't true. The handbook is written poorly.
Thank you.
How can you trust anything that these people write? >:(
Do they need to hire a technical writer to write the Handbook? ???
Quote from: Just Bill on May 08, 2010, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 08, 2010, 04:02:50 PM
Ralph, this isn't true. The handbook is written poorly.
Thank goodness. I was going to say if that's how it is that makes no logical sense. How could I play the #1 team in the country 10 times and the #300 team once, while you do the opposite and we end up with the same SOS? That wouldn't make any sense at all.
Exactly, if that was the case CSS might as well load their schedule with Martin Luther and Crown and play Thomas once.
So that is why playing St. Thomas 3x makes such a big difference.
They probably do need a technical writer for it because they probably dont expect people to read it
UMAC Tourney Page is up on the CSS site at: http://www.csssaints.com/sports/2010/5/7/BB_0507104231.aspx?id=238 (http://www.csssaints.com/sports/2010/5/7/BB_0507104231.aspx?id=238)
Any predictions?
Also, whoever put that tournament program front page together deserves alot of credit. That image is definately in the running for the lamest sweetest thing I have ever seen.
Don't even get me started on the graphic on that page. YIKES! but I will give Team Hallahan the edge in getting their first UMAC tourney crown. I see both Bethany and St. Scholastica winning both opening games easily. But I give the edge in game 2 to the guy that shut that team down already once for 8 ip. Although I do recall that the Saints ended up coming back to win three games in a day last year so who knows, but the way Bethany has been scoring runs and St. Scholastica not as of late you have to score runs at this time of the year. Advantage Vikings
I'm the newest fan of the CSS graphics department. I appreciate the commitment sincerely. So, when is the Claugherty 2K10 video game due out?
Gonna go on a limb with CSS over BLC, but CSS loses one game.
Quote from: OshDude on May 10, 2010, 03:19:07 PM
So, when is the Claugherty 2K10 video game due out?
Right after he gets back from fishing in Cabo with Mauer.
I see they are charging admission this year for the tournament.
I think CSS will take it this year, yet again. Bethany Lutheran might get one from them along the way, but they lack depth compared to CSS
Looks like the weather may play a factor on Thursday. The forecast calls for a high in the low 40's and rain. Cold temps and wind seem to be an equalizer in games so it will be interesting to see how things shake out in the first two games on Thursday. Maybe an upset or two???
The weather the rest of the weekend looks nice though so I don't think the tournament is in jeopardy of getting washed completely.
The tourney is already pushed back to Friday
http://www.csssaints.com/news/2010/5/11/BB_0511104331.aspx
Coach Kemp of CSS was on am1500 with Reusse and Soucheray yesterday (http://1500espn.com/ondemand/download.php?audioID=3025). (click to download the podcast)
For some reason he said some members of the UMAC don't have a baseball team, but he did note that the competition was improving in the league.
Quote from: AO on May 12, 2010, 11:37:19 AM
Coach Kemp of CSS was on am1500 with Reusse and Soucheray yesterday (http://1500espn.com/ondemand/download.php?audioID=3025). (click to download the podcast)
For some reason he said some members of the UMAC don't have a baseball team, but he did note that the competition was improving in the league.
If you check out the colleges that are officially members of the UMAC, several of them do not have baseball teams that compete in the UMAC. Some schools have only a sport or two that compete in the UMAC. The entire list can be found at www.umacathletics.com under the "members" link.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 12, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
Quote from: AO on May 12, 2010, 11:37:19 AM
Coach Kemp of CSS was on am1500 with Reusse and Soucheray yesterday (http://1500espn.com/ondemand/download.php?audioID=3025). (click to download the podcast)
For some reason he said some members of the UMAC don't have a baseball team, but he did note that the competition was improving in the league.
If you check out the colleges that are officially members of the UMAC, several of them do not have baseball teams that compete in the UMAC. Some schools have only a sport or two that compete in the UMAC. The entire list can be found at www.umacathletics.com under the "members" link.
You have the 4 football associates from the SLIAC and then North Central MN which is trying to go thru the NCAA provisional status to gain full membership.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2010, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on May 12, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
Quote from: AO on May 12, 2010, 11:37:19 AM
Coach Kemp of CSS was on am1500 with Reusse and Soucheray yesterday (http://1500espn.com/ondemand/download.php?audioID=3025). (click to download the podcast)
For some reason he said some members of the UMAC don't have a baseball team, but he did note that the competition was improving in the league.
If you check out the colleges that are officially members of the UMAC, several of them do not have baseball teams that compete in the UMAC. Some schools have only a sport or two that compete in the UMAC. The entire list can be found at www.umacathletics.com under the "members" link.
You have the 4 football associates from the SLIAC and then North Central MN which is trying to go thru the NCAA provisional status to gain full membership.
The football associates and North Central do play baseball, just not in the UMAC.
Looks like they got the field ready and play is underway...
http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/stats/base/xlive.htm (http://www.csssaints.com/custompages/stats/base/xlive.htm)
Looks like Bethany held on late to head into the winners bracket 3-2 over Presentation College.
CSS puts up 6 in the first against Northwestern and is coasting with Jeff Adams still going strong with a 5 hitter through 7. Looks like CSS vs. Bethany at 8:00 tonight up in Duluth... I'm guessing thats gonna be a cold one!
Anyone picking BLC to win this thing is absolutley out of their cranium. You can't pick against a team that has won 274 straight UMAC titles. Their record over that 274 title is something like 2,708 wins -3 losses
Im not saying it can't happen but to say BLC is the favorite is absolute kaka.
Anyone get the live audio to work? Tried on the CSS website and the Duluth station website...nothing
Quote from: 15baseball15 on May 14, 2010, 06:32:41 PM
Anyone picking BLC to win this thing is absolutley out of their cranium. You can't pick against a team that has won 274 straight UMAC titles. Their record over that 274 title is something like 2,708 wins -3 losses
Im not saying it can't happen but to say BLC is the favorite is absolute kaka.
Well, BLC beats CSS 5-2 behind a GREAT pitching performance from Cody Hallahan. A CG victory giving up just one earned run, while striking out 11 and walking just one.
CSS Pitcher David Barningham has faced the minimum through five innings as CSS leads Presentation 6-0. The only "hiccup" was a 2nd inning walk which was erased on a double play ball.
EDIT-A lead off double in the 6th inning spoils the no-hit bid.
CSS hangs on to beat Presentation 6-5 than takes care of BLC 7-1 in the first game and wins the rubber game 8-7 on a Griffin Bell walk off hit off the base of the center field wall in the 11th in game 2. St. Scholastica are once again CHAMPIONS!!. Great series and a gutty come from behind win for the Saints who simply will not be denied and do what champions do... win when they have to.
Very good games throughout the entire day, congrats to CSS. Their pitching depth is going to be big for them in the regional.
Its the first time I got to see the Hallahan from BLC pitch this year. He is a hard thrower who over powered CSS in Friday nights game but could tell he was not throwing as hard on saturday. On the other side he does not have any decent off speed stuff which shows when he throws 80-90% fastballs and I did not see one offspeed pitch out of his 47 he threw yesterday so I assumed his arm was falling off. This kid is also going to need to learn to grow up a little bit, not only did he show up the umpire on Friday but he was throwing his arms up when his guys werent getting to balls.
Kind of disappointing to see Coach Kragh put Dorris and Hallahan arms in jeopardy by throwing them so much.
Will be interesting to see where CSS lands in the regional considering Point went 2-2. I think CSS will end of up #4 and pay Point yet again
Great tourny this year. Congrats to the saints, hopefully they make a run in the NCAA to give the UMAC some street cred.
Baseball fan...You see it at all levels where pitchers will throw the following day to try get a championship. I think that it is in poor taste to say that a coach would sacrifice the safety of his players to win a game, especially Coach Kragh. Coach Kragh has coached Babe Ruth, Legion, DII and DIII, as well as pitched professionally. I think that if he felt like he was even remotely putting kids arms in jeopardy he wouldnt have risked it. As far as Hallahan goes, didnt have the speed? One of their players said he was in the 90's on the gun. As far as the off speed issue, Hallahan cut the palm of his hand on Monday, and he wasnt able to grip the change up without splitting the cut open. Not making excuse and not saying it would have changed the outcome, just wanted to shed light on why the majority of fastballs.
Ralph and Pat, or anyone else for that matter. Any shot BLC backdoors into the tourny?
Quote from: paulisdeadman on May 16, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
Great tourny this year. Congrats to the saints, hopefully they make a run in the NCAA to give the UMAC some street cred.
Baseball fan...You see it at all levels where pitchers will throw the following day to try get a championship. I think that it is in poor taste to say that a coach would sacrifice the safety of his players to win a game, especially Coach Kragh. Coach Kragh has coached Babe Ruth, Legion, DII and DIII, as well as pitched professionally. I think that if he felt like he was even remotely putting kids arms in jeopardy he wouldnt have risked it. As far as Hallahan goes, didnt have the speed? One of their players said he was in the 90's on the gun. As far as the off speed issue, Hallahan cut the palm of his hand on Monday, and he wasnt able to grip the change up without splitting the cut open. Not making excuse and not saying it would have changed the outcome, just wanted to shed light on why the majority of fastballs.
Ralph and Pat, or anyone else for that matter. Any shot BLC backdoors into the tourny?
I think it's BLC, LaGrange, Staten Island and Stevens for one spot.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on May 16, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
Great tourny this year. Congrats to the saints, hopefully they make a run in the NCAA to give the UMAC some street cred.
Baseball fan...You see it at all levels where pitchers will throw the following day to try get a championship. I think that it is in poor taste to say that a coach would sacrifice the safety of his players to win a game, especially Coach Kragh. Coach Kragh has coached Babe Ruth, Legion, DII and DIII, as well as pitched professionally. I think that if he felt like he was even remotely putting kids arms in jeopardy he wouldnt have risked it. As far as Hallahan goes, didnt have the speed? One of their players said he was in the 90's on the gun. As far as the off speed issue, Hallahan cut the palm of his hand on Monday, and he wasnt able to grip the change up without splitting the cut open. Not making excuse and not saying it would have changed the outcome, just wanted to shed light on why the majority of fastballs.
Ralph and Pat, or anyone else for that matter. Any shot BLC backdoors into the tourny?
I never said Hallahan didnt throw hard, in fact I said he was a hard thrower who overpowered CSS on friday, please read again...well then that makes sense of why he wasnt throwing off speed, it was just an observation.
I hope Kragh wasnt putting his pitchers arms in danger, but from an outsiders perspective and not in poor taste in any way it looks like he cared more about winning than their arms. I think Jeremy Reubens was a prime example of being overused and dont like to see talented players being overused thats all
For what it's worth, I don't really think Bethany Lutheran gets in. I think they needed to win. But playing CSS twice did raise their SOS, at least.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on May 16, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
Great tourny this year. Congrats to the saints, hopefully they make a run in the NCAA to give the UMAC some street cred.
Baseball fan...You see it at all levels where pitchers will throw the following day to try get a championship. I think that it is in poor taste to say that a coach would sacrifice the safety of his players to win a game, especially Coach Kragh. Coach Kragh has coached Babe Ruth, Legion, DII and DIII, as well as pitched professionally. I think that if he felt like he was even remotely putting kids arms in jeopardy he wouldnt have risked it. As far as Hallahan goes, didnt have the speed? One of their players said he was in the 90's on the gun. As far as the off speed issue, Hallahan cut the palm of his hand on Monday, and he wasnt able to grip the change up without splitting the cut open. Not making excuse and not saying it would have changed the outcome, just wanted to shed light on why the majority of fastballs.
Ralph and Pat, or anyone else for that matter. Any shot BLC backdoors into the tourny?
So Paul, you don't think that 2 kids who threw complete 9 inning games and then came back to pitch 40+ each on zero days rest is in any way putting their arms in jeopardy? I don't care where he has pitched or where he has coached, to say Kragh cared more about his kids than winning those games is quite a naive statement. All he wanted to do is win and he was willing to do whatever it took to get it done.
Every pitch you throw puts you in jeopardy.
Biggio...so if according to you we wouldnt have had to of the greatest moments in sports history. Kirk Gibson shouldnt have played but did and hit a HR, Schilling shouldnt have played but gave us the infamous bloody sock. The fact of the matter is athletics is riddled with situations were the athlete shouldnt play but does, not because the coach makes them, as you implied, but because they do it for the other 20 guys on their team. I am quite surprised with your post, having read your posts all year, i assumed you knew about sports and what it takes to be an athlete. Coach Kragh told both kids they couldnt throw, they insisted that they wanted the ball. It was only after multiple innings of them complaining that he told them to warm up and if they felt ANY soreness, fatigue, etc...they were not going in. If Coach Kragh was so worried about winning and not his team, why didnt he throw Hallahan/Dorris on 3 days rest all year. A 1 time back to back outing is not going to destroy a kids arm, esp a kid who is a Senior and has 70 yrs to rest his arm.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on May 16, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
Biggio...so if according to you we wouldnt have had to of the greatest moments in sports history. Kirk Gibson shouldnt have played but did and hit a HR, Schilling shouldnt have played but gave us the infamous bloody sock. The fact of the matter is athletics is riddled with situations were the athlete shouldnt play but does, not because the coach makes them, as you implied, but because they do it for the other 20 guys on their team. I am quite surprised with your post, having read your posts all year, i assumed you knew about sports and what it takes to be an athlete. Coach Kragh told both kids they couldnt throw, they insisted that they wanted the ball. It was only after multiple innings of them complaining that he told them to warm up and if they felt ANY soreness, fatigue, etc...they were not going in. If Coach Kragh was so worried about winning and not his team, why didnt he throw Hallahan/Dorris on 3 days rest all year. A 1 time back to back outing is not going to destroy a kids arm, esp a kid who is a Senior and has 70 yrs to rest his arm.
FYI those guys were already hurt, they couldnt get hurt worse. These guys were not hurt, but could get hurt. And they are not going to tell the coach if they have any soreness. The last time I read Kragh was the coach and not Dorris or Hallahan. And if that kid does get hurt on that last outing, it is justified because he can heal with years of rest? wow!
Yes Bigpoppa every throw puts you in jeopardy, but your risk at pitch 150 puts you at more risk than pitch 1....Maybe 95% of the time, maybe 99% of the time that kid doesnt get hurt, but would it be worth it for that one time a guy gets seriously hurt.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just in my opinion as a former coach I thought it was ridiculous to throw both of those guys again.
Lots of great arguments on the books. I have several opinions and most of them reside with the kids. Yes, a competitive kid is going to want the ball, that obvious, it is up the coach in that situation to know what is best for the kid.
Anybody who tries to fool themselves into thinking that just because a kid says they are "good to go" that they are truely good to go is flat out stupid. There are no rules against the number of pitches you can throw for a reason, and the is because the coaches should be taking care of the student/athletes, not so you can ruin a student/athletes life in order to get a win, that is just stupid. The student/athlete should be the number one priority for a program and that is why CSS has won my support over the years.
As far as the games, it sounds like the tourney was fantastic... and I wish i could have been there to witness. I would like to congratulate the boys from up north as they once again showed a ballsy performance to win the UMAC. I would also like to say "good work" to presentation and bethany as the better these guys get, the better it makes the UMAC and gives css some work within the conference, something that has been lacking for years!!
Quote from: paulisdeadman on May 16, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
Biggio...so if according to you we wouldnt have had to of the greatest moments in sports history. Kirk Gibson shouldnt have played but did and hit a HR, Schilling shouldnt have played but gave us the infamous bloody sock. The fact of the matter is athletics is riddled with situations were the athlete shouldnt play but does, not because the coach makes them, as you implied, but because they do it for the other 20 guys on their team. I am quite surprised with your post, having read your posts all year, i assumed you knew about sports and what it takes to be an athlete. Coach Kragh told both kids they couldnt throw, they insisted that they wanted the ball. It was only after multiple innings of them complaining that he told them to warm up and if they felt ANY soreness, fatigue, etc...they were not going in. If Coach Kragh was so worried about winning and not his team, why didnt he throw Hallahan/Dorris on 3 days rest all year. A 1 time back to back outing is not going to destroy a kids arm, esp a kid who is a Senior and has 70 yrs to rest his arm.
The Gibson gimpy homerun, the Schilling bloody sock, the 2010 UMAC tournament, all great moments in sports history indeed. The parallels are seemingly endless.
I'm not really saying what Kragh did was wrong, he is the coach of the team and he can do what he wants with his players. He knows his players and what they can and can't do. He certainly isn't the only coach to bring back a pitcher on short rest [see Schuld 2009]. All I am saying is that winning was the most important thing to him yesterday. And that is fine, he has 2 horses and they are both great pitchers. I can totally understand wanting to shut the door with them. Of course both kids want the ball, every pitcher in the world wants the ball in a situation like that, regardless of how they feel. But you must admit that throwing a kid out there after the outings they had the day before certainly is not a decision that has the well being of the player in mind.
Question... how long would Hallahan have stayed in the game had it gone into more extra innings?
Letting a pitcher throw 150 pitches is putting him in jeopardy. Doing it multiple times per year is reckless (both games against CSS once in regular season). Letting him then throw the next day is absolute insanity.
This kid has the stuff to play somewhere at the next level, whether affiliated ball or independant. I don't care if the coach is the nicest guy in the world, his decision was short sighted and reckless.
I understand where it may seem reckless to a lot of part-time bethany/UMAC observers, to throw Hallahan on zero days rest. I just think you need to know the amount of throwing he does day in and day out and his conditioning is unreal. in the metrodome, the umpire literally called the last out and he headed for a run. If anyones arms can take the shock zero days rest, it is Hallahan
BLC was No. 6 in the Midwest – behind CUC – when the national committee made selections.
How will they finish i 2011? My guess...
1. CSS - Still need to be proven otherwise not to pick them. Their lineup is a bit inexperienced and they lost 2 of their better pitchers.
2. Bethany Lutheran - They lost some key offensive players but probably have the conferences strongest pitching. They have an improved schedule outside of the UMAC this year which will make them better in the long run.
3. Presentation - They competed last year and have their core players back. They also added a catcher who is probably the favorite to be conference player of the year.
4. Northwestern - The pitching staff is young but gained experience last year and will be this team's strength.
After the top 4 its a crap shoot, literally.
Morris is an unknown to me.
Northland has a new coach (former Whitewater assistant) but lost its three best offensive players.
Martin Luther could be improved depending on the recruiting class brought in by its second year coach. They could potentially compete for a spot in the top 4, but I think they may still be a year out.
Crown.
Those are my guesses. Anyone else?
The Midwest Region Boards are a ghost town, so I actually looked up some UMAC pages to get a feel for the 2011 season. First I'd like to have the conferences name changed to UMSSC (Upper Midwest St. Scholastica Conference) because it has been owned by that squad since 1997 (it's first year in the confence). That's 13 years, 13 Conference Championships, 12 Conference Tournament titles (1997 there was not a conference tournament). Granted the level of competition is shaky at best. CSS is the only school over that period of time that I think could have played in the MIAC with any success at all, be it finishing behind the Tommies of course ;D. But it seems to be improving with Bethany in the last few years and some others actually sneaking some wins over CSS. I'll admit it, I thought Bethany would overcome the kings last year, and like the rest of the UMAC coaches that picked them to win in the pre-season poll, I was wrong. Will not make that dumb mistake again. So here it goes:
1) St. Scholastica - Shocking right, but until someone knocks them off they are king of the hill, but the gap is getting tighter. Lost there 2 biggest bats, but the rest of the offense stays intact. Losing an All-American on the mound will be a tall task for any team, but again I CAN'T not pick them to win it again.
2) Bethany Lutheran - The pitching is the key that keeps them close to CSS, Hallahan and transfer Aaron Siefken give them a 1-2 unmatched in the coference. There offence is a question mark though. Losing a ton of production out of Schwecke, Jorges & Smith (formerly of Hamline ;)) will mean the offense will have to prove they can score runs.
3) Presentation College - They get the nod here because of the returners and the fact that they actually beat CSS once last season. The kid coming in from North Dakota State will definitly have an impact on the offensive side, but I'm willing to bet that CSS & Bethany will work around him so it will fall in the laps of the rest of the offense. Pitching is average so they better score runs.
4) Northwestern - They always seem to make they're way into the conference tournament and I don't see a better option here. The website doesnt even have a current roster so its tough to get a read on this squad, but it does look like they have a lot back so I give them the benefit of the doubt here.
5) Martin Luther - At least their site is up to date here. The 2nd year coach made some good progress last year and with New Ulm's baseball tradition look for this team to be in a battle for Northwestern for that 4th spot. I really know nothing else more about this squad.
6) Northland College - They lost their entire offense from last season with the graduation of 3 players, but who knows about the incomers, perhaps Coach Vodelich at Whitewater through his former asst. a few bones.
7) MN-Morris - Lost only 4 seniors on a team that that doesn't pitch it, swing it, or field it well. Not a good combo for success.
8) Crown - I actually remember someone on the Midwest boards saying that they have not updated a roster since 2008. I actually thought that was a joke until last night. WOW. Do they even have a team?
At the start of this process I was excited to do this prediction, but after Presentation it all came to griding hault! This is a 2 team conference, 3 at best. In my own little world I'd like to steal Bethany and CSS, join them to the MIAC and slot CSS in at the #2 slot and Bethany at the #4. Now that would be a nice MIAC conference tournament!
Quote from: MIACLUV on February 03, 2011, 01:37:23 PM
The Midwest Region Boards are a ghost town, so I actually looked up some UMAC pages to get a feel for the 2011 season. First I'd like to have the conferences name changed to UMSSC (Upper Midwest St. Scholastica Conference) because it has been owned by that squad since 1997 (it's first year in the confence). That's 13 years, 13 Conference Championships, 12 Conference Tournament titles (1997 there was not a conference tournament). Granted the level of competition is shaky at best. CSS is the only school over that period of time that I think could have played in the MIAC with any success at all, be it finishing behind the Tommies of course ;D. But it seems to be improving with Bethany in the last few years and some others actually sneaking some wins over CSS. I'll admit it, I thought Bethany would overcome the kings last year, and like the rest of the UMAC coaches that picked them to win in the pre-season poll, I was wrong. Will not make that dumb mistake again. So here it goes:
1) St. Scholastica - Shocking right, but until someone knocks them off they are king of the hill, but the gap is getting tighter. Lost there 2 biggest bats, but the rest of the offense stays intact. Losing an All-American on the mound will be a tall task for any team, but again I CAN'T not pick them to win it again.
2) Bethany Lutheran - The pitching is the key that keeps them close to CSS, Hallahan and transfer Aaron Siefken give them a 1-2 unmatched in the coference. There offence is a question mark though. Losing a ton of production out of Schwecke, Jorges & Smith (formerly of Hamline ;)) will mean the offense will have to prove they can score runs.
3) Presentation College - They get the nod here because of the returners and the fact that they actually beat CSS once last season. The kid coming in from North Dakota State will definitly have an impact on the offensive side, but I'm willing to bet that CSS & Bethany will work around him so it will fall in the laps of the rest of the offense. Pitching is average so they better score runs.
4) Northwestern - They always seem to make they're way into the conference tournament and I don't see a better option here. The website doesnt even have a current roster so its tough to get a read on this squad, but it does look like they have a lot back so I give them the benefit of the doubt here.
5) Martin Luther - At least their site is up to date here. The 2nd year coach made some good progress last year and with New Ulm's baseball tradition look for this team to be in a battle for Northwestern for that 4th spot. I really know nothing else more about this squad.
6) Northland College - They lost their entire offense from last season with the graduation of 3 players, but who knows about the incomers, perhaps Coach Vodelich at Whitewater through his former asst. a few bones.
7) MN-Morris - Lost only 4 seniors on a team that that doesn't pitch it, swing it, or field it well. Not a good combo for success.
8) Crown - I actually remember someone on the Midwest boards saying that they have not updated a roster since 2008. I actually thought that was a joke until last night. WOW. Do they even have a team?
At the start of this process I was excited to do this prediction, but after Presentation it all came to griding hault! This is a 2 team conference, 3 at best. In my own little world I'd like to steal Bethany and CSS, join them to the MIAC and slot CSS in at the #2 slot and Bethany at the #4. Now that would be a nice MIAC conference tournament!
I am not sure any educated fan would disagree with your assessment of the UMAC. The UMAC deperately needs Presentation to step up and be a legit third team to give the conference some credibility.
Quote from: MIACLUV on February 03, 2011, 01:37:23 PM
The Midwest Region Boards are a ghost town, so I actually looked up some UMAC pages to get a feel for the 2011 season. First I'd like to have the conferences name changed to UMSSC (Upper Midwest St. Scholastica Conference) because it has been owned by that squad since 1997 (it's first year in the confence). That's 13 years, 13 Conference Championships, 12 Conference Tournament titles (1997 there was not a conference tournament). Granted the level of competition is shaky at best. CSS is the only school over that period of time that I think could have played in the MIAC with any success at all, be it finishing behind the Tommies of course ;D. But it seems to be improving with Bethany in the last few years and some others actually sneaking some wins over CSS. I'll admit it, I thought Bethany would overcome the kings last year, and like the rest of the UMAC coaches that picked them to win in the pre-season poll, I was wrong. Will not make that dumb mistake again. So here it goes:
1) St. Scholastica - Shocking right, but until someone knocks them off they are king of the hill, but the gap is getting tighter. Lost there 2 biggest bats, but the rest of the offense stays intact. Losing an All-American on the mound will be a tall task for any team, but again I CAN'T not pick them to win it again.
2) Bethany Lutheran - The pitching is the key that keeps them close to CSS, Hallahan and transfer Aaron Siefken give them a 1-2 unmatched in the coference. There offence is a question mark though. Losing a ton of production out of Schwecke, Jorges & Smith (formerly of Hamline ;)) will mean the offense will have to prove they can score runs.
3) Presentation College - They get the nod here because of the returners and the fact that they actually beat CSS once last season. The kid coming in from North Dakota State will definitly have an impact on the offensive side, but I'm willing to bet that CSS & Bethany will work around him so it will fall in the laps of the rest of the offense. Pitching is average so they better score runs.
4) Northwestern - They always seem to make they're way into the conference tournament and I don't see a better option here. The website doesnt even have a current roster so its tough to get a read on this squad, but it does look like they have a lot back so I give them the benefit of the doubt here.
5) Martin Luther - At least their site is up to date here. The 2nd year coach made some good progress last year and with New Ulm's baseball tradition look for this team to be in a battle for Northwestern for that 4th spot. I really know nothing else more about this squad.
6) Northland College - They lost their entire offense from last season with the graduation of 3 players, but who knows about the incomers, perhaps Coach Vodelich at Whitewater through his former asst. a few bones.
7) MN-Morris - Lost only 4 seniors on a team that that doesn't pitch it, swing it, or field it well. Not a good combo for success.
8) Crown - I actually remember someone on the Midwest boards saying that they have not updated a roster since 2008. I actually thought that was a joke until last night. WOW. Do they even have a team?
At the start of this process I was excited to do this prediction, but after Presentation it all came to griding hault! This is a 2 team conference, 3 at best. In my own little world I'd like to steal Bethany and CSS, join them to the MIAC and slot CSS in at the #2 slot and Bethany at the #4. Now that would be a nice MIAC conference tournament!
Pretty spot on... I think you could pretty much just copy and paste this analysis every year. I think both CSS and Bethany are happy to not be in the MIAC now that the UMAC finally got their AQ this year. The last two years the conference tournament has been pretty exciting and it should get even better this year with a auto bid on the line. Can't wait!
Who does CSS have back..proposed lineup as well as BLC?
Quote from: schmolph on February 12, 2011, 07:22:16 AM
Who does CSS have back..proposed lineup as well as BLC?
CSS has 3 guys that had regular time on their infield last year back. They lost their All American caliber 1st baseman, Claugherty, which I dont think will hurt them in the field but will be a big loss offensively. They lost their starting 3B and a big contributor on the mound in Gerten. And they lost their starting catcher who also hit in the middle of the order and was strong defensively. Their outfield will be the same as last year. On the mound they lost Gerten and Adams, from a staff that didn't really have a true #1, but both of those guys could be depended on for strong outings most times they took the ball. I'd look for them to have good speed, strong fielding, and less power in their lineup this year than last. Still should be a very productive group 1-9 though. It will be interesting to see how they develop on the mound.
Bethany was a well balanced team last year with a nice lineup and a very good 1-2 combo at the front of their rotation. A weaker backend of the rotation and lack of bullpen strength is what cost them in my opinion. Their offense, like CSS, lost some very important guys in the middle, in Smith, Schweke, and Jorges. Jorges was also a big asset behind the plate for BLC last year starting 39 games and did an out of this world job of controlling the running game. I looked it up and the vikings only gave up 12 stolen bases on the year... that might be some sort of record. We'll see how they can replace that. On the mound they replaced their #2 Dorris with a jr. transfer who I believe is another lefty. Hallahan is an elite D3 pitcher so if their new #2 is near that level they will win plenty of games, even if they have big shoes to fill offensively.
All in all I think it should be the second straight competitive race for the UMAC title and I look forward to another exciting conference tournament. Don't sleep on Presentation College either, I would not be shocked if they had a big year.
UMAC preseason coaches poll is out...
2011 UMAC Baseball Preseason Coaches' Poll
1. 47 Points - College of St. Scholastica (5 First Place Votes)
2. 45 Points - Bethany Lutheran College (3)
3. 34 Points - Presentation College
4. 30 Points - Northwestern College
T-5. 23 Points - Martin Luther College
T-5. 23 Points - University of Minnesota, Morris
7. 13 Points - Northland College
8. 9 Points - Crown College
The order seems about right to me.
Well the BLC Vikings start there 2011 campaign tom in FLA. It will be interesting to see how this Juco transfer will do in the 3 hole. He pitches also, from what i hear very well too. Hopefully Coach Kragh was able to plug all the holes and the Vikings can turn the tides on Scholastica this year. Good luck Vikings!!!!
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 04, 2011, 09:30:47 AM
Well the BLC Vikings start there 2011 campaign tom in FLA. It will be interesting to see how this Juco transfer will do in the 3 hole. He pitches also, from what i hear very well too. Hopefully Coach Kragh was able to plug all the holes and the Vikings can turn the tides on Scholastica this year. Good luck Vikings!!!!
Good to see you back paulisdeadman. The midwest region board has been lacking. I didn't realize that Siefken was a hitter too, and a 3 hole? Does he play a position in the field?
Are you making the trip to Florida with the team?
It's good to see teams finally getting started! It looks like they are going to be playing a good schedule on their trip and I wish them luck!
I wish I was there, lord knows my golf game could use the practice. Haha. The Vikings swept today. 2-0 and 7-6, I think. I haven't seen a box score yet so not sure how they played. Was glad too see them win in their debut on grass.
CSS up 8-1 in the 4th over St. Thomas...The game was moved to later in the day
Final: CSS 10 St. Thomas 6 Good start for the Saints
Quote from: schmolph on March 06, 2011, 06:36:57 PM
Final: CSS 10 St. Thomas 6 Good start for the Saints
Agreed. this one could be a big factor in the post-season seeding as I think both will be there. (Hard to think the season opener might play a huge role, huh?)
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 06, 2011, 08:58:10 PM
Quote from: schmolph on March 06, 2011, 06:36:57 PM
Final: CSS 10 St. Thomas 6 Good start for the Saints
Agreed. this one could be a big factor in the post-season seeding as I think both will be there. (Hard to think the season opener might play a huge role, huh?)
Wow, good stuff! I wasn't able to listen and can't find the box yet. Anyone have any details on the game?
As far as the postseason seedings go, these two teams are scheduled to play each other twice more this season, so one win does not a seeding make.
One win may not make seeding, but it goes further than the zero wins they had last year against St. Thomas. I am excited to see how the conference season will play out. After first hand experience watching the ball fly off of these bats, i cannot wait to see how the pitching staffs of CSS and BLC will do. The UMAC is underated as far as pitching staffs and defensive plays are concerned and should gain considerable recogniton this year. This is all assuming that the snow melts at some point. Counting down the days until the two aces of CSS and BLC squre off!
The details of the game as noted by me was that CSS pretty much dominated from the start scoring 3 in the first to set the tone. The Toms started a freshman pitcher and it sounded as if nerves may have been a factor which is understandable. on the flip side Lewis was dominant going 6 and giving up just 3 hits and fanning 5,middle relief for the Saints was shaky letting UST back in the game and then sophomore Jensen was lights out with 2 innings of work shutting down the tommies.CSS played pretty sloppy defense committing 4 errors so there is definately work to do. Good start and a long way to go for both so I would not read too much into it but both these teams,as is the case every year,should be two of the best at playoff time.
I wouldnt look too much into it affecting seedings, just one game and early. A few years ago CSS swept Thomas to start the year (2 of 3 during year) and only 4 total losses on the year and didnt even end up with a top 3 seed.
Not unusal for Thomas to start a Freshman or not as experienced of a pitcher early in the season instead of their proven guys, Denning use to do it.
Sounded like sloppy fielding but thats how it goes when first getting outdoors.
Bethany found a way to win, gave up a3 run lead late but won in the 9th on balk. A win is a win. Keep rolling vikings
Vikings Win again. 6-4 against Bridgewater VA
Quote from: paulisdeadman on March 08, 2011, 07:55:04 PM
Vikings Win again. 6-4 against Bridgewater VA
The Vikings keep winning close games... the sign of a good team!
The Vikings win again. Downing Aurora (Il) 6-1. Another solid performance on the hill. Coach Kragh never could hit ;-) but he knew how to pitch.
Lost 2 close ones, kicked it around a little bit, staff looked good again, not sure how many of the runs were earned.
CSS sweeps Muhlenberg to start their spring trip in Florida
CSS collects another 2 wins today, beating Mount St. Vincent and Rutgers Camden
CSS lost yesterday 3-2 to Gettysburg, then swept Stockton College today
*side note* CSS now uses a new system for live stats which has been disappointing in my opinion. It does not work half the time plus you cant look up in game stats of each player.
I would agree on the live stats...terrible.
CSS and Bethany are scheduled to take the field again this weekend in Rockford, Illinois to play Rockford and Augsburg in double headers. Rockford shared their regular season league title last year and Augsburg fell in the MIAC playoff championship so these games should be a good test for both and solid victories for the UMAC against good competition.
Quote from: MNbaseball on March 23, 2011, 10:40:50 AM
CSS and Bethany are scheduled to take the field again this weekend in Rockford, Illinois to play Rockford and Augsburg in double headers. Rockford shared their regular season league title last year and Augsburg fell in the MIAC playoff championship so these games should be a good test for both and solid victories for the UMAC against good competition.
The weather forecast looks very cold... highs in the upper 30's. Pack the warm weather gear!
I would expect all these games to be fairly close as I'm not sure any of these teams offenses have really hit their stride yet, and I wouldn't expect it to happen in such cold weather.
well it looks like BLC and CSS will be forced to stay indoors for a while longer with this weekends games cancelled in Rockford.
Looks like some of the UMAC series this weekend will be postponed. Does anyone know if Bethany and Presentation are playing?
looks like bethany and presentation games are going to be played as of noon today.
Bethany got their game in. After presentation hit a grand slam in the 1st inning Bethany won 14-6 in a 9-inning game.
UMAC results from Tuesday...
Bethany thumped Martin Luther 22-5,
Northwestern swept Crown, 3-1 and 12-3,
CSS v Northland Postponed
Morris v Presentation Postponed
The UMAC is shaping up to be a 3 horse race in the early goings with Northwestern (5-0), Bethany Lutheran (4-0), CSS (3-0) all undefeated. Based on how bad some of the lower tier teams appear to be, I'm guessing that the conference will more or less be decided this weekend when CSS plays Bethany in a Friday/Saturday series. The field in Duluth is not ready so the series has been moved to Mankato.
BLC jumps out early on CSS with 3 runs in the first, sound like 2 unearned as there was an error on the RF.
side note* I think there is some poor score keeping out there, for example noticed that they give Woodsire 2 RBIs on an error.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 08, 2011, 04:20:42 PM
BLC jumps out early on CSS with 3 runs in the first, sound like 2 unearned as there was an error on the RF.
side note* I think there is some poor score keeping out there, for example noticed that they give Woodsire 2 RBIs on an error.
Could happen. If it was second and third and he hit a single to right and the RF booted it, the scorekeeper might determine that both runs would have scored anyway regardless of the error. In that case, it would still be two RBIs. Hard to know without seeing it or having all the details.
Quote from: Just Bill on April 08, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 08, 2011, 04:20:42 PM
BLC jumps out early on CSS with 3 runs in the first, sound like 2 unearned as there was an error on the RF.
side note* I think there is some poor score keeping out there, for example noticed that they give Woodsire 2 RBIs on an error.
Could happen. If it was second and third and he hit a single to right and the RF booted it, the scorekeeper might determine that both runs would have scored anyway regardless of the error. In that case, it would still be two RBIs. Hard to know without seeing it or having all the details.
But since he was not awarded a hit it cannot be 2 RBIs, the scorer ruled E9. The only way it could be 2 RBIs and an E9 would be that if the batter recieved a hit advanced to 2nd on th error. You cannot rule that if the runner would of still scored and give him an error (say if he botched the ball a little bit, then its a 2RBI hit with no error)...i wont lose sleep over it so not that big of a deal
CSS now up 7-5 bottom of 6
CSS squeeks out a 7-6 victory today over BLC, the two will meet again tomorrow for a DH. Would guess Hallahan and Kohls for BLC, Lewis and Jensen/Snyder/Swenson combo for CSS.
CSS & BLC split today CSS won 11-1 then BLC won 3-2 with an unearned run in the top of 7. CSS was the home team all weekend despite being played in Mankato due to the field change.
Hallahan took the loss in the 11-1 defeat in the matchup of the both teams top pitchers. Lewis picked up the win. Hallahan gave up 9 runs in 3.1 innings pitched.
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 09, 2011, 06:47:01 PM
CSS & BLC split today CSS won 11-1 then BLC won 3-2 with an unearned run in the top of 7. CSS was the home team all weekend despite being played in Mankato due to the field change.
Hallahan took the loss in the 11-1 defeat in the matchup of the both teams top pitchers. Lewis picked up the win. Hallahan gave up 9 runs in 3.1 innings pitched.
Wasn't sure I read this correct, so I had to go to the box to verify for myself. You don't see that from that kid very often, especially the three walks.
The question is how good is the Siefken kid that threw game 2? CSS offense beats arguably one of the top 3 pitchers in the region and then gets only 2 runs in game 2? The Conference is still up for grabs in my opinion, Bethany has played the top two teams in the conference and gone 4-2. Scholastica still has to face Presentation for the fate of the conference. But just like the rest of the teams in the midwest, pitching depth will prove to be the determining factor with the majority of the teams packing a lot of games into the next few weeks.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 11, 2011, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 09, 2011, 06:47:01 PM
CSS & BLC split today CSS won 11-1 then BLC won 3-2 with an unearned run in the top of 7. CSS was the home team all weekend despite being played in Mankato due to the field change.
Hallahan took the loss in the 11-1 defeat in the matchup of the both teams top pitchers. Lewis picked up the win. Hallahan gave up 9 runs in 3.1 innings pitched.
Wasn't sure I read this correct, so I had to go to the box to verify for myself. You don't see that from that kid very often, especially the three walks.
The question is how good is the Siefken kid that threw game 2? CSS offense beats arguably one of the top 3 pitchers in the region and then gets only 2 runs in game 2? The Conference is still up for grabs in my opinion, Bethany has played the top two teams in the conference and gone 4-2. Scholastica still has to face Presentation for the fate of the conference. But just like the rest of the teams in the midwest, pitching depth will prove to be the determining factor with the majority of the teams packing a lot of games into the next few weeks.
You are correct, the conference is still up for grabs and there are a lot of games left.
Interesting that all 4 of CSS's losses have been by 1 run and in each of the games, they have given up at least 1 unearned run. Their pitching has been very good... they need to tidy up the D though. I like their depth over the next few weeks. Next Sunday vs Olaf should be an interesting game.
With the exception of Hallahan getting hit around in the 11-1 loss to CSS, the same can be said about Bethany. Two one run losses to Coe in Florida with the Vikings kicking the ball around(7 total errors), a 13 inning one run loss at Buena Vista (no errors, but 13 LOB=missed opportunities), and friday's 7-6 loss to CSS with 3 errors and another 3 or so plays that couldve, shouldve been made. Both teams have key non conference games against St. Thomas and St. Olaf who have been the class of the MIAC for years so we'll see how the top 2 of the UMAC stack up against the top 2 of the MIAC. (even though Thomas has been down this year they are still the team to beat until someone officially knocks them off)
Can't see CSS losing to any other UMAC team other than Pres. and I don't see Pres having enough pitching to get 2 of 3 from CSS. I could also see Bethany dropping another conference game. They will need to start Hallahan and Siefken in the games with St. Thomas and St. Olaf and from the looks of their stats they only have faith in 4 pitchers on that squad. Both teams could be regional type teams with better defensive play, I just like the 5-6-7 of CSS better than that of Bethany.
Bethany goes 5 deep on their pitching staff. They should be all right with their matchups with St Thomas and St Olaf since they have them on Mondays or Tuesdays. They can pitch 3 0n the the weekend and the other 2 for the DH's during the week. If they have to go deeper there could be problems though they have some guys that might step up if needed. They need Hallahan to take over like he did last year when he was pretty much a automatic win whenever he pitched. Still early. Their top 5 pitchers are pretty solid.
Bethanys biggest problems have been their defense. They are making a lot of errors and also not making plays that should be made that are not showing up as errors. They should have won Fridays game against SSC. The 5-run 5th should have been a 1-run inning if they make 2 or 3 plays on defense. You can't give good teams 5 or 6 outs. Thats why SSC won and they are in 1st place and deservedly belong there.
Might be a little much to ask 5 guys to go complete. Even with playing Northland before the Tommies and playing Morris after the Oles. Those will be important games come NCAA time if Bethany doesn't take care of business in the UMAC tournament.
Couldn't agree with you more.
Quote from: MIACLUV on April 11, 2011, 03:51:43 PM
Might be a little much to ask 5 guys to go complete. Even with playing Northland before the Tommies and playing Morris after the Oles. Those will be important games come NCAA time if Bethany doesn't take care of business in the UMAC tournament.
Based on the numbers I have seen out of Northland and the fact that Morris lost a game to Crown, I'm not sure that it is too much to ask. I realize that on any day any team can beat any other team, but I don't think it matters who Bethany trots out against these teams, they are too good not to win against them.
Well I dont see BLC not pitching their top pitchers-specifically Hallahan against Northland this weekend since they wont hold him back for 9 days to face St. Thomas. Unless they try to pitch him tomorrow on short rest then save him for the tommies.
BLC needs to tighten down their defense or they wont win anything. There is a reason why St. Thomas has been successful-defense/pitching with some offense mixed in.
Glad to see the UMAC improving, just need the bottom half of teams to improve
CSS sweeps Northland 22-0, 11-5
CSS will now play only 1 game today against Martin Luther due to the frigid temps and a DH tomorrow. The 2 games against Olaf and Carleton for tomorrow have been cancelled for tomorrow and will not be made up---too bad but thats how it goes
Big weekend in Duluth with CSS scheduled to host Presentation. Weather, as is typical for Spring in northern Minnesota looks doubtful though...
Quote from: d32kidsplayen on April 20, 2011, 11:29:56 AM
Big weekend in Duluth with CSS scheduled to host Presentation. Weather, as is typical for Spring in northern Minnesota looks doubtful though...
The DH has been moved to Thursday because of the weather forecast. Looks like it will be 2 Thursday and 1 friday.
http://www.csssaints.com/news/2011/4/20/BB_0420113314.aspx (http://www.csssaints.com/news/2011/4/20/BB_0420113314.aspx)
CSS beats Morris 7-2 in game one of their double header today. I don't know any details but I believe Michael Swenson got the start for the Saints. I did hear it is violently windy at the field in Morris.
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2011, 05:28:31 PM
CSS beats Morris 7-2 in game one of their double header today. I don't know any details but I believe Michael Swenson got the start for the Saints. I did hear it is violently windy at the field in Morris.
no surprise there
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 29, 2011, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2011, 05:28:31 PM
CSS beats Morris 7-2 in game one of their double header today. I don't know any details but I believe Michael Swenson got the start for the Saints. I did hear it is violently windy at the field in Morris.
no surprise there
No surprise where?
The wind? The starting pitcher? Or the score?
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2011, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on April 29, 2011, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: biggio34 on April 29, 2011, 05:28:31 PM
CSS beats Morris 7-2 in game one of their double header today. I don't know any details but I believe Michael Swenson got the start for the Saints. I did hear it is violently windy at the field in Morris.
no surprise there
No surprise where?
The wind? The starting pitcher? Or the score?
all the above? I guess the wind since its gusting where I am at and that CSS won.
CSS finished off Morris yesterday with a 14-0 win.
stat of the day Joey Link is now 35-35 on stolen base attempts this year.
CSS looks to be setting up their rotation nicely for St. Johns and UWW.
Will be interesting to see if teams get games in today, a lot of rain fell last night and falling right now in the Twin Cities area. Also,
CSS up 8-3 in the 5th against BLC with 5 runs in the 5th. Wind must be blowing out...this is a non-conference game
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 01, 2011, 04:10:37 PM
CSS up 8-3 in the 5th against BLC with 5 runs in the 5th. Wind must be blowing out...this is a non-conference game
Non-conference, but still a big in-region game for both squads.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 01, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 01, 2011, 04:10:37 PM
CSS up 8-3 in the 5th against BLC with 5 runs in the 5th. Wind must be blowing out...this is a non-conference game
Non-conference, but still a big in-region game for both squads.
Yes it is, BLC showing why they arent quite up to the level of CSS and the other top region contenders as they had back to back runners picked off first base by the Saints catcher in the 6th inning.
CSS up 10-5 bottom of 5, Jake Casareto with his 2nd homer
Route is on, 18-5 CSS in the 9th, 6 homeruns on the day
The UMAC tourney times and matchups are listed here...
http://umacathletics.com/sports/2011/5/9/BSB_0509115102.aspx?path=baseball (http://umacathletics.com/sports/2011/5/9/BSB_0509115102.aspx?path=baseball)
I'm having a tough time guessing what the pitching matchups will be for the first round. I think that Northwestern has the respect of the other teams in the tournament and I don't think CSS can afford to throw off in their first game like they have been able to in the past.
It's unclear who Presentation's #1 pitcher is, but they have a few bats that can do damage and they should give Bethany a good first game too.
Weather looks iffy all week... what else is new?
Quote from: biggio34 on May 09, 2011, 05:15:06 PM
The UMAC tourney times and matchups are listed here...
http://umacathletics.com/sports/2011/5/9/BSB_0509115102.aspx?path=baseball (http://umacathletics.com/sports/2011/5/9/BSB_0509115102.aspx?path=baseball)
I'm having a tough time guessing what the pitching matchups will be for the first round. I think that Northwestern has the respect of the other teams in the tournament and I don't think CSS can afford to throw off in their first game like they have been able to in the past.
It's unclear who Presentation's #1 pitcher is, but they have a few bats that can do damage and they should give Bethany a good first game too.
Weather looks iffy all week... what else is new?
I dont BLC can afford to throw off in game 1, think CSS still can because they have a big advantage in my opinion when its a 9 inning game compared to a 7 inning.
Interesting. Why would you say that SSC has an advantage in a 9-inning game ? Please explain.
Quote from: scrapper on May 09, 2011, 09:04:07 PM
Interesting. Why would you say that SSC has an advantage in a 9-inning game ? Please explain.
Well "CSS" is the better team, I would give the better team always the advantage. More time for the other team to make a mistake. CSS has better and deeper defense, offense, and pitching than all the other teams.
For example, Presentation jumped out to a 7-0 lead against CSS, they came back to score 12 unanswered runs to win. Granted if it was a 7 inning game they would of still one, but they did not have to press or anything they knew they had plenty of innings.
UMAC TOURNEY
Game 1
Bethany Lutheran had to rally down 9-1 to Presentation in the bottom of 8 with 8 runs, then pushed the winning run across in the bottom of 9. Hallahan pitched with 3 other pitchers throwing an inning.
Game 2.
CSS hangs on against Northwestern winning 11-9. Vogelgesang and Barningham throw. Expect Lewis tonight against Bethany at 7pm.
Not very impressive wins by either team. Bethany very lucky to rally.
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 12, 2011, 06:33:11 PM
UMAC TOURNEY
Game 1
Bethany Lutheran had to rally down 9-1 to Presentation in the bottom of 8 with 8 runs, then pushed the winning run across in the bottom of 9. Hallahan pitched with 3 other pitchers throwing an inning.
Game 2.
CSS hangs on against Northwestern winning 11-9. Vogelgesang and Barningham throw. Expect Lewis tonight against Bethany at 7pm.
Not very impressive wins by either team. Bethany very lucky to rally.
Northwestern wins 5-4 over Presentation. Game ended on a double play with guys on 1st & 3rd and Presentation loses despite having 8 batters with 2 hits apiece. And the one batter who didnt have a hit walked 3 times!
are they doing radio for the game? Can't find it. Video feed won't work on my tablet.
Quote from: paulisdeadman on May 12, 2011, 09:22:34 PM
are they doing radio for the game? Can't find it. Video feed won't work on my tablet.
Dont think there is radio since its video, live stats though
Thanks. My lack of patiences stinks when it comes to live stats ::)
CSS using aggressive base running to score 3 runs in bottom of 8th to take a 3-1 lead
It was an interesting day at the ballpark yesterday. There was a lot of offense in the early games and a great pitchers duel in the last game of the night. Lewis is the real deal for CSS. Siefken for BLC was moving the ball in and out well all night and bent a few times but they could not break him until the 8th when his count got up.
BLC vs NWC should be an interesting game this afternoon. BLC is hurt by the fact that one of the better pitchers and their top hitter suffered a knee injury in the first game yesterday.
I don't think either team has the arms to come back and beat CSS twice as the Saints still have a lot of pitching left and shutting down their offense is going to be a tough task.
Quote from: biggio34 on May 13, 2011, 11:49:08 AM
It was an interesting day at the ballpark yesterday. There was a lot of offense in the early games and a great pitchers duel in the last game of the night. Lewis is the real deal for CSS. Siefken for BLC was moving the ball in and out well all night and bent a few times but they could not break him until the 8th when his count got up.
BLC vs NWC should be an interesting game this afternoon. BLC is hurt by the fact that one of the better pitchers and their top hitter suffered a knee injury in the first game yesterday.
I don't think either team has the arms to come back and beat CSS twice as the Saints still have a lot of pitching left and shutting down their offense is going to be a tough task.
Lewis did look really good, striking out 11 and only giving up 7 singles. He should be another all region and probably all american pitcher for the saints.
I think BLC may struggle today and think Northwestern will play CSS who will be too much for either BLC or NWC they play.
BLC wins 6-4, rematch coming up against CSS
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 13, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
BLC wins 6-4, rematch coming up against CSS
CSS up 9-0 in the 3rd inning over BLC
1st Team All-Conference (Listed by Position)
Name Institution Year Position
Cody Hallahan Bethany Lutheran College Senior P
Justin Kohls Bethany Lutheran College Senior P
Kyle Jensen College of St. Scholastica Sophomore P
Matt Lewis College of St. Scholastica Senior P
David Vogelgesang College of St. Scholastica Sophomore P
Zach Herd Bethany Lutheran College Senior OF
Kyle Flagstad College of St. Scholastica Sophomore OF
Joe Link College of St. Scholastica Senior OF
Zach Markwith Northwestern College Sophomore OF
Dylan Gass Bethany Lutheran College Freshman IF
Darin Hendley Bethany Lutheran College Senior IF
Brian Marshik College of St. Scholastica Senior IF
Brandon Peterson College of St. Scholastica Junior IF
Chad Peterson College of St. Scholastica Senior IF
Greg Holzhueter Martin Luther College Senior IF
Kyle Moody College of St. Scholastica Junior C
Justin Kline Presentation College Junior C
Heath Giedt Presentation College Sophomore UT
Spencer Sudbeck Presentation College Senior UT
Jordan Gegen University of Minnesota, Morris Junior UT
Honorable Mention All-Conference (Listed by Institution)
Name Institution Year Position
Aaron Siefken Bethany Lutheran College Junior IF
Casey Woodside Bethany Lutheran College Junior C
Stephen Boger Crown College Senior OF
Kyle Knox Crown College Sophomore UT
Jake Casareto College of St. Scholastica Sophomore IF
Scott Greening College of St. Scholastica Senior OF
Joe Janke Martin Luther College Junior UT
Joe Schmudlach Martin Luther College Freshman OF
Travis Hendrickson Northland College Junior UT
Casey Herr Northland College Freshman IF
Josh Markwith Northwestern College Junior C
Andy Borud Northwestern College Senior OF
Michael Babcock Presentation College Senior IF
Matt Kervin Presentation College Junior P
Drew Lundquist University of Minnesota, Morris Sophomore OF
Ian Olson University of Minnesota, Morris Senior IF
Player of the Year Award – Kyle Moody, College of St. Scholastica
Pitcher of the Year Award – Matt Lewis, College of St. Scholastica
Rookie of the Year Award – Dylan Gass, Bethany Lutheran College
Coach of the Year Award – Corey Kemp, College of St. Scholastica
Some very good underclassman on that list. Moody & Lewis for Player and Pitcher of the year were pretty obvious choices as both are certain All-Region selections. Does the conference count transfers for Rookie of the Year? I see the Gass kid is a sophmore according to the Bethany roster.
I don't believe transfers are counted. Gass is actually a freshman eligibility wise, sophomore in school. He broke his wrist last spring before the season started.
Well the Vikings are about to start their 1st game of their spring trip. Game time temp is...HOT. Team had a couple of good practices. Looking forward to see how they do against Swartmore. GO VIKINGS!!!!
Saints go 1-3 in St. Louis after playing 2 games against Washington MO and Buena Vista, they are now 1-5 to start the year with 2 more tough games against Olaf on Thursday.
From the looks of it, they are not hitting, not pitching and can't make a play. Very rough start. This is probably CSSs worst start to a season in 15 years if not more--very surprising from a team with a lot of hype
Quote from: BaseballFan on March 04, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
Saints go 1-3 in St. Louis after playing 2 games against Washington MO and Buena Vista, they are now 1-5 to start the year with 2 more tough games against Olaf on Thursday.
From the looks of it, they are not hitting, not pitching and can't make a play. Very rough start. This is probably CSSs worst start to a season in 15 years if not more--very surprising from a team with a lot of hype
I can cop to some of that. I certainly predicted a better start.
Thankfully, for them, all they need to do is win the relatatively weak UMAC to grab a Pool A bid.
This is true, but still not a great way to start the year.
I think this is a better team than the results have shown, can't really play any worse than they have. Plus a couple of their losses were close. But they need to clean up their defense and need to step up their pitching which have both been the reason for their successes in the past
After a rough couple of games for the Vikings they finally broke out the bats. They had 20 some hits and some solid pitching. It was fun to see the guys excited about baseball again. Good luck the rest of the way...GO VIKINGS!!!
CSS gets back on track with a sweep of Olaf today. Still not a sound defensive team, but I could see their defense improving a lot as the season goes on. CSS had better outings from their pitchers today as well as they gave up 1 run in the first game and 2 runs in the second game. The first game CSS threw a freshman I believe and he looked pretty good.
Quote from: therocket21 on March 08, 2012, 03:08:55 PM
CSS gets back on track with a sweep of Olaf today. Still not a sound defensive team, but I could see their defense improving a lot as the season goes on. CSS had better outings from their pitchers today as well as they gave up 1 run in the first game and 2 runs in the second game. The first game CSS threw a freshman I believe and he looked pretty good.
Nice to see them get a couple of Ws. CSS did start a Freshman. I think you are going to see CSS get a lot of pitchers double digit innings. They do not have a #1 and my suspicion is Andy Davis who might be their best retuning pitcher is nursing some are issues since he didn't start against Thomas nor Olaf. With the UMAC having an automatic bid CSS can afford losses therefore throw many different guys, something they never had when they are were fighting for a pool B bid.
Best weekend of the year is here, UMAC conference opener! Pretty excited to see what the teams have in-store for us this time around. I think I might have to head down to Mankato to see the top dogs duke it out. Any predictions on the series? Seems like CSS is a young squad with a lot of potential. Anyone got an update on what we can expect out of Bethany this weekend? Looks like they lost a lot of guys from last year and are a bit down. Looking forward to the weekend!
Definately a huge weekend to open the UMAC. I look to see Seifkan going on Saturday for BLC and Jenson going on Saturday for CSS. Not sure who each team will start for the other game on Sat. or the game on Fri. I am predicting the CSS bats have a huge weekend coming alive and scoring more than 7 runs in each game. If I recall correctly I think last year CSS put out about 6 homers the last time they played BLC in Mankato.
Don't think you will see 6 HR's this weekend. Last years game when CSS hit 6HRs and BLC 2 there were about 40 mph winds blowing straight out. Miserable conditions,cold and windy. The last 4 HRs were hit in the last innings against BLC's seldom used pitchers when the game was already decided. We'll see how these teams respond. Neither teams record is very good. I would imagine both teams are disappointed with their season so far.
It is already clear that the UMAC will be a one-bid conference. Gotta win it to get in:)
CSS sweeps Bethany Lutheran.
Quote from: scrapper on March 28, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
Don't think you will see 6 HR's this weekend. Last years game when CSS hit 6HRs and BLC 2 there were about 40 mph winds blowing straight out. Miserable conditions,cold and windy. The last 4 HRs were hit in the last innings against BLC's seldom used pitchers when the game was already decided. We'll see how these teams respond. Neither teams record is very good. I would imagine both teams are disappointed with their season so far.
I wasn't saying I think that they would hit six home runs per game, I was implying that I think they are going to put up some good offensive numbers against BLC. Bethany's pitching staff last year was much better than their pitching staff this year. I think that CSS runs the table the rest of the UMAC regular season and wins the conference tournament easily again this year.
Definitely agree that BLC is not as good as last year. While their pitching is not as good, what has really been hurting them this year is their defense. Lots of errors this year which has been putting their pitchers in a lot of 4 and 5 out innings. Seem to have a hard time hitting against the better pitchers. Also think that CSS is not nearly as good as last year at this point. Seem to be weak at the bottom of their order. Miss Lewis at the top of their rotation and Link in their lineup and not as strong defensively as last year. Flagstad is a stud and Moody and Vogelesang are tough hitters and their 2,4 and 6 hitters are pretty good but there 7-9 hitters look weak from what I saw. 3rd baseman really struggled this weekend in the field. Don't know how they have played previously but this is what I saw this weekend. Still early in the season,hopefully they will both improve.
Agreed that CSS has not played as well defensively this year but these guys are head and shoulders better than anyone in the UMAC. This is another very good team that is just now starting to jell. You mentioned Flagstad, Moody and Vogelgestang and they are all great but Tom Juberian is a .338 career hitter and Jensen is no slouch. This team will again dominate UMAC competition and, save for BLC if Siefken is on, there really is no one else even close.
UMAC Standings as of 4/15
St. Scholastica 12-0 20-8
Northwestern (Minn.) 10-1 16-9
Bethany Lutheran 6-3 15-13
Presentation 7-6 11-16
Northland 5-5 10-16
Minnesota-Morris 4-8 4-18
Crown 1-10 1-13
Martin Luther 0-12 0-20
This is pathetic. Thoughts?
The bottom half of the UMAC would lose to the better high school programs in the Metro area. The UMAC is terrible outside of CSS.
Granted the bottom half is terrible and CSS is the best but Northwestern and Bethany are pretty decent teams. Northwestern split with Oshkosh from the GREAT WIAC conference earlier this year and is a very competitive team this year. Bethany is 3-4 with the MIAC conference teams this year and their losses are to some very tough teams this year[St Johns-2,Coe-2,CSS-3,Macalester,Buena Vista]. Bethany lost to Macalester in 12 innings with their top 3 pitchers unavailable after being used against Coe in a 3-game series over the weekend while Macalester used all of their top pitchers. Really believe that CSS would be in 2nd place in the MIAC and Bethany would be above .500 and in the upper half of the conference. It is not these teams fault that the rest of their conference is that bad. They can only play the schedule given to them. They are trying to really increase the strength of their out of conference schedule by playing as many of the tougher teams as they can. Bethany has played 4 MIAC teams and plat St Thomas next week and also played Coe and Buena Vista, two of the best programs in the ILAC conference. Css plays St Thomas,Whitewater,Washington U,Buena Vista,Keyston and La-Crosse. By the way, CSS won both games of a double-header against La-Crosse this year. La-Crosse is the current leader of the WIAC conference.
I don't doubt that CSS would be in in second place in the MIAC or that Bethany might be in the top half. My point was not about the quality of the top half of the UMAC, but how bad the bottom is. The fact that CSS can throw middle of the road pitchers in UMAC play (and have no fear of losing) in order to save big guns for mid-week games vs WIAC and MIAC team proves this.
Big Poppa, I agree with you. My problem was with your statement "The UMAC is terrible outside of CSS".
Quote from: scrapper on April 16, 2012, 10:26:45 AM
Granted the bottom half is terrible and CSS is the best but Northwestern and Bethany are pretty decent teams. Northwestern split with Oshkosh from the GREAT WIAC conference earlier this year and is a very competitive team this year. Bethany is 3-4 with the MIAC conference teams this year and their losses are to some very tough teams this year[St Johns-2,Coe-2,CSS-3,Macalester,Buena Vista]. Bethany lost to Macalester in 12 innings with their top 3 pitchers unavailable after being used against Coe in a 3-game series over the weekend while Macalester used all of their top pitchers. Really believe that CSS would be in 2nd place in the MIAC and Bethany would be above .500 and in the upper half of the conference. It is not these teams fault that the rest of their conference is that bad. They can only play the schedule given to them. They are trying to really increase the strength of their out of conference schedule by playing as many of the tougher teams as they can. Bethany has played 4 MIAC teams and plat St Thomas next week and also played Coe and Buena Vista, two of the best programs in the ILAC conference. Css plays St Thomas,Whitewater,Washington U,Buena Vista,Keyston and La-Crosse. By the way, CSS won both games of a double-header against La-Crosse this year. La-Crosse is the current leader of the WIAC conference.
An Oshkosh team that currently has a losing record with just nine wins on the season.... To use that as a noteworthy win is a reach at best, especially considering that one of Oshkosh's nine wins is against that same Northwestern team.
Quote from: scrapper on April 16, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
Big Poppa, I agree with you. My problem was with your statement "The UMAC is terrible outside of CSS".
Even though there is a written record of my statement, I say I was "misquoted." You do have a valid argument with Bethany in the mix... I guess they just frustrate me as they were in the mix the past few seasons and have faltered a bit this year compared to previous years.
Quote from: cubs on April 16, 2012, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: scrapper on April 16, 2012, 10:26:45 AM
Granted the bottom half is terrible and CSS is the best but Northwestern and Bethany are pretty decent teams. Northwestern split with Oshkosh from the GREAT WIAC conference earlier this year and is a very competitive team this year. Bethany is 3-4 with the MIAC conference teams this year and their losses are to some very tough teams this year[St Johns-2,Coe-2,CSS-3,Macalester,Buena Vista]. Bethany lost to Macalester in 12 innings with their top 3 pitchers unavailable after being used against Coe in a 3-game series over the weekend while Macalester used all of their top pitchers. Really believe that CSS would be in 2nd place in the MIAC and Bethany would be above .500 and in the upper half of the conference. It is not these teams fault that the rest of their conference is that bad. They can only play the schedule given to them. They are trying to really increase the strength of their out of conference schedule by playing as many of the tougher teams as they can. Bethany has played 4 MIAC teams and plat St Thomas next week and also played Coe and Buena Vista, two of the best programs in the ILAC conference. Css plays St Thomas,Whitewater,Washington U,Buena Vista,Keyston and La-Crosse. By the way, CSS won both games of a double-header against La-Crosse this year. La-Crosse is the current leader of the WIAC conference.
An Oshkosh team that currently has a losing record with just nine wins on the season.... To use that as a noteworthy win is a reach at best, especially considering that one of Oshkosh's nine wins is against that same Northwestern team.
By the way, has Lechnir worn out his welcome at Oshkosh? They have been a non-factor in recent years.
You are right,Bethany has been very frustrating this year. They are pretty young and struggled defensively earlier this year. Could have won 2 of the games against CSS if they had made the plays in the field,but CSS also didn"t play very well defensively either. Lost 13-10 with 4 errors and 6 unearned runs and lost 6-2 with 4 errors and all the runs unearned. But that is part of baseball and is the difference between winning and losing. Bethany has won their last 9 games by big scores but like you pointed out they are against the bottom teams of the UMAC so it is hard to gauge where they are at at this point. Bethany"s biggest problem is CSS has their number. They can"t seem to find a way to beat them. They have lost to them in every way possible. They have lost big,close,in the last inning,etc. CSS seems to find a way to beat them every time. BLC can't seam to get that last out that they need to beat CSS.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 16, 2012, 10:58:04 AM
By the way, has Lechnir worn out his welcome at Oshkosh? They have been a non-factor in recent years.
I think its difficult to wear out your welcome when you are a legend. I can't imagine recruiting against Whitewater is easy for any one of the UW schools at this point. I'm wondering if Lechnir's style has more of a negative impact on the seemingly softer players of today than it used to. Do kids still want to play for him?
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 16, 2012, 10:45:08 AM
I don't doubt that CSS would be in in second place in the MIAC or that Bethany might be in the top half. My point was not about the quality of the top half of the UMAC, but how bad the bottom is. The fact that CSS can throw middle of the road pitchers in UMAC play (and have no fear of losing) in order to save big guns for mid-week games vs WIAC and MIAC team proves this.
I might as well jump into the mix--CSS throwing off against their UMAC teams is a strategic move (smart!) especially when they were a pool B team because every non conference game against the region powers was so important. Just remember their weak conference hurts them for regional seeding too---I don't know off the top of my head but since they rejoined D3 in 2005 I am guessing they have not been higher than a 3 seed.
Big Weekend for the UMAC seeding, and by that I mean #2, #3 and down
#2 Northwestern (11-1) @ #3 Bethany Lutheran (9-3)
Don't be fooled by the 11-1 of NWC, they have mopped up on the bottom of the conference to this point and have Bethany, Northland College & CSS yet to go. Be interesting to see what Bethany keeps for the Tommies on Monday! Never been to Bethany, anyone care to share what the field is like? Decent surface? Dimensions?
A real nice ballpark. Probably about 320-330 in left with a high screen fence. Probably about 315-320 in right with a high screen also. Very nice field in excellent shape. Probably one of the best fields around.
Agree with scrapper..bethany has a beautiful facility.
Whats wrong with Vogelesang from CSS. I see he hasn't played in a couple of weeks.
Pretty sure he is out for the year because of a torn ACL. I am not positive though, just going off what I heard.
The UMAC tourney begins tomorrow.
Game 1: BLC vs NWC @ 10am
Game 2: CSS VS NC @ 1pm
Here is the preview and necessary links: http://www.csssaints.com/news/2012/5/8/BB_0508125434.aspx (http://www.csssaints.com/news/2012/5/8/BB_0508125434.aspx)
Looks like its going to be a nice day weather wise.
#2 Bethany over #3 Northwestern 9-0 in the first game today.
Northland and St. Scholastica tied at 1 in the first inning of the second game.
St. Scholastica takes care of Northland in game 1 (8-1)
Then follows it up by winning the 2nd game over Bethany Lutheran 10-8. I stopped watching at 10-4 figuring the game was over and was a little surprised at the final until I read the box, only 4 of the Bethany runs were earned, Scholastica commited 4 errors. St. Scholastica is swinging it pretty well since they pounded out 16 hits and 10 runs off Bethany's Aaron Siefken who has been a solid ace for the Vikings for the past two season and pitched the last two seasons in the Northwoods League for Rochester.
Games today:
Game 1: Bethany vs Northwestern 1:00
Game 2: Game 1 winner vs St. Scholastica 4:00
CSS should cruise to the Pool A bid (AGAIN...) in the UMAC. In other news... the sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning:)
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 11, 2012, 09:35:55 AM
St. Scholastica takes care of Northland in game 1 (8-1)
Then follows it up by winning the 2nd game over Bethany Lutheran 10-8. I stopped watching at 10-4 figuring the game was over and was a little surprised at the final until I read the box, only 4 of the Bethany runs were earned, Scholastica commited 4 errors. St. Scholastica is swinging it pretty well since they pounded out 16 hits and 10 runs off Bethany's Aaron Siefken who has been a solid ace for the Vikings for the past two season and pitched the last two seasons in the Northwoods League for Rochester.
Games today:
Game 1: Bethany vs Northwestern 1:00
Game 2: Game 1 winner vs St. Scholastica 4:00
I saw the game lastnight. CSS is clicking at the plate all through the lineup. They put pressure on every inning.
NWC still has their top two arms (not sure why they didn't throw yesterday) so it should make for an interesting game today between them and Bethany.
UMAC updates...
1. Presentation is no longer in the conference (I believe North Central will be added but there may be some sort of probationary period. Anyone know anything about that?)
2. The league is going to all 9 inning games this year, a change from previous years when they played a single 9 inning game on Friday and 2 sevens on Saturday.
3. There have been two coaching changes I believe. Both MN Morris (former assistant taking over) and MLC (not sure who is taking over) will have new head coaches.
Anything else exciting??
Quote from: biggio34 on November 08, 2012, 11:19:32 PM
UMAC updates...
1. Presentation is no longer in the conference (I believe North Central will be added but there may be some sort of probationary period. Anyone know anything about that?)
2. The league is going to all 9 inning games this year, a change from previous years when they played a single 9 inning game on Friday and 2 sevens on Saturday.
3. There have been two coaching changes I believe. Both MN Morris (former assistant taking over) and MLC (not sure who is taking over) will have new head coaches.
Anything else exciting??
In regards to No. 1, I have not heard an update to NCU's status as an associate UMAC member in 16 sports for the 2012-13 season (http://umacathletics.com/news/2012/8/13/GEN_0813121820.aspx?path=gen).
Another power to challenge St. Scholastica in the tough UMAC.
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on November 09, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on November 08, 2012, 11:19:32 PM
UMAC updates...
1. Presentation is no longer in the conference (I believe North Central will be added but there may be some sort of probationary period. Anyone know anything about that?)
2. The league is going to all 9 inning games this year, a change from previous years when they played a single 9 inning game on Friday and 2 sevens on Saturday.
3. There have been two coaching changes I believe. Both MN Morris (former assistant taking over) and MLC (not sure who is taking over) will have new head coaches.
Anything else exciting??
In regards to No. 1, I have not heard an update to NCU's status as an associate UMAC member in 16 sports for the 2012-13 season (http://umacathletics.com/news/2012/8/13/GEN_0813121820.aspx?path=gen).
Bethany is the first team of the UMAC to get their schedule up and I see North Central and no Presentation. So I would say that answers that question.
Quote from: MIACLUV on December 07, 2012, 03:27:16 PM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on November 09, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: biggio34 on November 08, 2012, 11:19:32 PM
UMAC updates...
1. Presentation is no longer in the conference (I believe North Central will be added but there may be some sort of probationary period. Anyone know anything about that?)
2. The league is going to all 9 inning games this year, a change from previous years when they played a single 9 inning game on Friday and 2 sevens on Saturday.
3. There have been two coaching changes I believe. Both MN Morris (former assistant taking over) and MLC (not sure who is taking over) will have new head coaches.
Anything else exciting??
In regards to No. 1, I have not heard an update to NCU's status as an associate UMAC member in 16 sports for the 2012-13 season (http://umacathletics.com/news/2012/8/13/GEN_0813121820.aspx?path=gen).
Bethany is the first team of the UMAC to get their schedule up and I see North Central and no Presentation. So I would say that answers that question.
Looks like they have quite a few JUCO transfers on the roster too. I think I counted four from Iowa Central as well as a few others. I think the UMAC will be a three team race this year between Bethany, CSS and Northwestern. NWC has some nice pitchers who I believe are juniors this year.
Northwestern does have some nice pitchers coming back this year, but CSS has proved the past few years that their depth cannot be matched (especially in the UMAC tournament). I look for CSS to slip up maybe once in conference games, but otherwise run away with the UMAC regular season and tournament titles.
Any word on whether Wade will be fit to host CSS baseball and/or the UMAC tourney?
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on March 27, 2013, 02:05:33 AM
Any word on whether Wade will be fit to host CSS baseball and/or the UMAC tourney?
The area affected by the collapse of the wall is down the first base line well away from the field of play. The brick that fell actually toppled on the outside of the stadium. There have been crews out to the field assessing the structure, checking for exposed wires, and cleaning up. As far as I know, no games should be in danger as long as there are no liability issues for fans, which as of now, does not appear to be an issue.
I know the baseball people in Duluth are really hoping the collapse will bring the need for substantial repairs to Wade into the spotlight. Not only is the structure decaying rapidly as it ages, but the playing surface itself is in dire need of work and rehabilitation.
As far as games being played... at this point, I would think the bigger issue is the 2 feet of snow that are still on the ground.
It appears that the UMAC will be having its (at least to my knowledge) first ever play in game to determine the 4th seed for the conference tournament when Martin Luther takes on Northland on Thursday. Anyone know if this has ever happened before?
I can't ever think of it happening before. If history proves right, it will be CSS and Bethany in the nightcap on Friday. I am looking forward to seeing Fern (who CSS has not seen yet) match up against CSS. His numbers are very good on paper, and it always seems like that first night game is a battle where both teams come to play.
Will be a change of pace today compared to previous years since BLC lost both their games and were eliminated. CSS wins both, another step closer to winning the automatic bid
Quote from: BaseballFan on May 11, 2013, 09:57:22 AM
Will be a change of pace today compared to previous years since BLC lost both their games and were eliminated. CSS wins both, another step closer to winning the automatic bid
As Joe mentioned on the webcast, it was also nice to see CSS have its home opener ... at the UMAC tourney.
Though my attention will be scattered among the many tourneys today, I'm looking forward to Joe's between-inning playlist. Not many stations will play Sinatra, Florence + the Machine, Garth Brooks and Duran Duran in the same hour.
Despite going undefeated in the conference over the last two years by winning all their regular season games and all conference tournament games, the UMAC some how does not give Coach Kemp from CSS the conference coach of the year award in '12 or '13. That is a conference record of 41-0 over the last two years.
One thing is quite clear, the UMAC award voters love Cox.
http://www.mlc-wels.edu/home/athletics/menssports/baseball/news/cox-named-coach-of-the-year-two-named-first-team-all-umac (http://www.mlc-wels.edu/home/athletics/menssports/baseball/news/cox-named-coach-of-the-year-two-named-first-team-all-umac)
Best post I've read in years
The UMAC is a tough conference. Maybe bring in D2 UM Crookston and they could battle with Crown and Morris for last place.
Feel sorry for CSS with this pathetic competiton.
Immaculata knocked off Northwester 6-1 in game one of a DH in Ft. Pierce, Florida today.
CSS goes 3-0 against quality opponent Keystone to begin their Spring trip. The lineup put up 8, 6, and 6 runs in the games, and it appears their pitchers threw well. Good to see after a shaky Tulsa trip for the Saints.
CSS won the UMAC.
Surprise, surprise. I didn't see that one coming. :D
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 11, 2014, 06:00:56 PM
Surprise, surprise. I didn't see that one coming. :D
A Whitewater fan complaining about a lack of parity???? :o
17 straight Predicting the Saints to win their conference tournament is as difficult as predicting that the sun will rise in the east.
I wasn't complaining about anything, AO. I put the laughing icon after the comment to indicate that I was making a joke. Not a very good one perhaps but my intention none the less. Having interacted with the Saint players and staff on several occasions my perception of them is that they're a class act.
It will be interesting to see if Superior can compete with them on the diamond once they join the league.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 13, 2014, 09:36:47 AM
17 straight Predicting the Saints to win their conference tournament is as difficult as predicting that the sun will rise in the east.
I wasn't complaining about anything, AO. I put the laughing icon after the comment to indicate that I was making a joke. Not a very good one perhaps but my intention none the less. Having interacted with the Saint players and staff on several occasions my perception of them is that they're a class act.
It will be interesting to see if Superior can compete with them on the diamond once they join the league.
I got the joke, just throwing it right back at you ;D
If you want to be more serious, I will say parity is overrated. The people that "take their ball and go home" if their team is at any disadvantage and doesn't win 50% of their games is missing out on a lot of compelling underdog stories.
Any idea how UWS will fit in the grand scheme of things moving forward? Is their program strong enough to compete with the top teams in this conference?
Quote from: NuckBall on May 08, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
Any idea how UWS will fit in the grand scheme of things moving forward? Is their program strong enough to compete with the top teams in this conference?
I am guessing they will be the 2nd best team in the conference next year. But, that is just my opinion. They will add three more competitive games to the Saints' conference schedule, which I think CSS will look forward to.
Quote from: therocket21 on May 08, 2015, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: NuckBall on May 08, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
Any idea how UWS will fit in the grand scheme of things moving forward? Is their program strong enough to compete with the top teams in this conference?
I am guessing they will be the 2nd best team in the conference next year. But, that is just my opinion. They will add three more competitive games to the Saints' conference schedule, which I think CSS will look forward to.
Two games actually, the conference is switching to 2 game series instead of 3 with the addition of another team. Not only will UWS compete but they will be contenders for the conference and tournament championships in my opinion.
Is UWS going to have Baseball next year?
Quote from: biggio34 on May 09, 2015, 12:43:51 AM
Quote from: therocket21 on May 08, 2015, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: NuckBall on May 08, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
Any idea how UWS will fit in the grand scheme of things moving forward? Is their program strong enough to compete with the top teams in this conference?
I am guessing they will be the 2nd best team in the conference next year. But, that is just my opinion. They will add three more competitive games to the Saints' conference schedule, which I think CSS will look forward to.
Wow, I didn't know they were dropping the conference games to 2 per series.
I'm sure CSS is going to be loving the fact that they will only have 18 conference games as opposed to 21. With their strength of non-conference games, this will probably lead to another 3 games against ranked teams on next years schedule.
Two games actually, the conference is switching to 2 game series instead of 3 with the addition of another team. Not only will UWS compete but they will be contenders for the conference and tournament championships in my opinion.
Quote from: MIACLUV on May 10, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Is UWS going to have Baseball next year?
I don't know why they wouldn't. There hasn't been any rumors I've heard suggesting that they would discontinue their baseball program. They just don't feel the WIAC is a good fit for them any longer for multiple reasons, primarily travel.
CSS wins the UMAC tourney again for 19th straight
Why do they even bother holding it? ;)