is the liberty and empire 8 changing teams?
Can you enlighten us on what you mean?
Quote from: coachohno on May 02, 2006, 01:13:58 PM
is the liberty and empire 8 changing teams?
(cough)
are (cough, cough) :D ;)
I like that April is policing grammar on off-season board that haven't seen a post in over a week. Good show, but very close to the line of sanity.
lol... it's more like this: in the off-season, I actually have time to read other boards besides just the cciw, mwc, miaa, wiac, sciac and a few multiregional boards... so I'm just being me, only over more territory :P
Who ever said a Wheaton student wasn't close to the line of sanity. Assuredly I say unto you, any school that has a library packed to the gills on Saturday morning is full of students who are very close to the line of sanity. :D :D :-[
Quote from: diehardfan on May 15, 2006, 07:21:35 PM
lol... it's more like this: in the off-season, I actually have time to read other boards besides just the cciw, mwc, miaa, wiac, sciac and a few multiregional boards... so I'm just being me, only over more territory :P
Who ever said a Wheaton student wasn't close to the line of sanity. Assuredly I say unto you, any school that has a library packed to the gills on Saturday morning is full of students who are very close to the line of sanity. :D :D :-[
The obvious question - WHICH side of the line are you close to? ;)
Well, I think after that explanation, we all know. I was purposely setting myself up for that joke, but Ypsi beat me to it. I guess April did a good job of that herself first anyway.
diehard: In 1961 during my freshman year in Michigan Law School I dropped into the law library momentarily about an hour before kickoff in Ann Arbor of the Michigan- Michigan State football game (both teams were top 10 ranked) on a beautiful early October day. The place was full of law students, studying away and showing no evidence that they were going to the game. At that point I came to understand that I had to follow a different path than a typical one.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 15, 2006, 09:11:44 PM
The obvious question - WHICH side of the line are you close to? ;)
This one:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.madmyshele.com%2Fartdesign%2Fceltic%2Fimages%2F15_border_03.jpg&hash=36ec7c115ae8456785b00e74f962a60b62cebb3e)
or at the very least, this one:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Ftrikkievic%2Fline-formation-in-stellar-atmospheres%2Fsinwave1.gif&hash=dc02e07b1be32f8440e776ad9887945922684420)
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 16, 2006, 08:37:20 AM
I guess April did a good job of that herself first anyway.
After years and years of being made fun of, I find the best way to steal the thunder away from a punchline is to dish it out yourself. :) :P
Quote from: frank uible on May 16, 2006, 12:56:34 PM
At that point I came to understand that I had to follow a different path than a typical one.
Amen! ;) I wouldn't take back a single 5+ hours car ride to my brother's games. Not even for that 4.0 GPA.
Quote from: diehardfan on May 16, 2006, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 15, 2006, 09:11:44 PM
The obvious question - WHICH side of the line are you close to? ;)
This one:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.madmyshele.com%2Fartdesign%2Fceltic%2Fimages%2F15_border_03.jpg&hash=36ec7c115ae8456785b00e74f962a60b62cebb3e)
Yes, but there are four lines in that picture, by my count. So again, I ask, which line is it?
it's really supposed to be two, the lines are just outlines... ::)
and they're interconnected, so.... :P
Well, there is definately four. Nevermind, I don't want to understand your crazy ideas anyway.
Has anyone ever brought up the possibility that the Wheaton library is just too small and thus looks full all the time?
April,
You should have put up a Moebius strip (don't know how to post that fully correctly); then there would only be one line.
But you've evaded the original question: are you marginally above or below the line? Those of us WELL below the line are anxious to know!
[Of course, I have now evaded the question of just what is above or below the line.]
As the sixties slogan went, reality is just a crutch for those who can't handle drugs! ;D
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 16, 2006, 02:41:47 PMYes, but there are four lines in that picture, by my count. So again, I ask, which line is it?
HF, if I were you I'd just give up and applaud April for her use of some very clever visual aids. The jokes around here tend to be strictly word-oriented, and she nicely circumvented that trend.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 16, 2006, 03:57:18 PMHas anyone ever brought up the possibility that the Wheaton library is just too small and thus looks full all the time?
I'm frightened by the fact that the Wheaton library has gills.
HoopsFan, you have so thoroughly confused me, that I haven't the slightest idea what I meant by anything. :D
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 16, 2006, 10:00:45 PM
You should have put up a Moebius strip (don't know how to post that fully correctly); then there would only be one line.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fplus.maths.org%2Fissue18%2Fpuzzle%2FmobiusII.jpg&hash=4495348076b4ccc0e3852b3f9aa267af09bdfd19)
Not one line either, but I love Escher waay too much to pass up the opportunity to post a mobius strip by him.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 17, 2006, 02:17:54 AM
HF, if I were you I'd just give up and applaud April for her use of some very clever visual aids. The jokes around here tend to be strictly word-oriented, and she nicely circumvented that trend.
It's actually pretty common on the LL PU board... but we don't want to talk about the pictures they post there. :-\
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 17, 2006, 02:17:54 AM
I'm frightened by the fact that the Wheaton library has gills.
What, these?
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wheaton.edu%2Ftour%2Fonline_map%2FImages%2Fbuswell.jpg&hash=0e4c3d7bdf45a348b06d7010d321376dad629eb1)
I did check out the LL Board and noticed they were talking about the Northwestern Women's Soccer team. Their hazing was exposed by this anti-hazing website. I thought an anti-hazing website was a pretty good idea, especially if it gets the attention of a school in the Big-10, so I went to check it out. Low and behold, the top story was pictures from the Catholic Women's LAX team and their male stripper. I'm sure our Guru is very proud.
Why did the chicken cross the Moebius Strip?
To get to the same side.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2006, 02:22:40 PM
Why did the chicken cross the Moebius Strip?
To get to the same side.
Nothing to say; just standing and applauding slowly.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 17, 2006, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2006, 02:22:40 PM
Why did the chicken cross the Moebius Strip?
To get to the same side.
Nothing to say; just standing and applauding slowly.
Me too... and an add to your already copious karma. :)
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 17, 2006, 01:51:17 PM
I did check out the LL Board and noticed they were talking about the Northwestern Women's Soccer team. Their hazing was exposed by this anti-hazing website. I thought an anti-hazing website was a pretty good idea, especially if it gets the attention of a school in the Big-10, so I went to check it out. Low and behold, the top story was pictures from the Catholic Women's LAX team and their male stripper. I'm sure our Guru is very proud.
You don't have to be an ass and drag me into it.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2006, 02:22:40 PM
Why did the chicken cross the Moebius Strip?
To get to the same side.
I'm filing this one under: SAVE AND USE AT NEXT OPPORTUNITY.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2006, 01:19:03 AM
You don't have to be an ass and drag me into it.
I apologize. I wasn't aware it was that big of a deal. I'll delete the post, if you want.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 18, 2006, 08:44:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2006, 01:19:03 AM
You don't have to be an ass and drag me into it.
I apologize. I wasn't aware it was that big of a deal. I'll delete the post, if you want.
The truth is the truth but there is no reason to tie my name to it, is there? I'm pretty sure I'm not part of the program or the department.
Yeah, I hope I didn't imply that. It didn't seem like the Catholic thing was hazing at all, rather just a team being a bit naughty. I was fishing for an opinion, but I could have done it a different way. Again, I apologize.
It could be, but I don't know enough of the facts to judge and I expect that my day job employer would not want me expressing an opinion on a story that is likely to be in their pages tomorrow. :-\
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 17, 2006, 01:51:17 PM
Low and behold, the top story was pictures from the Catholic Women's LAX team and their male stripper.
The best part of those pictures is the hand painted sign on the wall: Boys are stupid...throw rocks at them.
Then I viewed the NY state law and Union College hazing
policy. Did you know that walking around campus or a city carrying a sign with a ridiculous slogan or wearing strange clothing or singing lewd songs are activities that could lead to mental or physical injury???? All those might explain why I'm demented--maybe not. But the best one is: building up initiate expectations and then letting them down abruptly...and all I could think of was d3 football posters who have been innocently guilty of hazing/being hazed before they played MUC in football.
OOPs, this post isn't PC; here come the word police.
It's obviously an unhealthy sign of my D3 sports obsession, but when I found out a couple of days ago that astronomers had decreed that the solar system was officially increasing from nine to twelve planets, my first thought was, "Are they going to split them into two divisions?"
Right on.
Would we then have the Lunar and the Solar divisions? The teams in each division will exert gravitational pull on the other planets in their division twice per year and the other planetary division once per year.
I assume Mars would be Earth's travel partner. Or would it be Venus?
This "new planets debate" actually goes back to 1930 when the National Cosmological and Astronomical Association admitted Pluto as the ninth planet.
Over the next few decades, the National Cosmological Accreditation Commission began to object to Pluto's behavior. They cited the fact that Pluto's orbit was elliptical, which sometimes brought the planet inside Neptune's orbit. To you football fans, this is an infraction that is worse than "red-shirting". Basically, the NCAC is trying to restrict the definition of a planet to such criteria that effectively places a moratorium on admitting new planets to the Planetoid Division of the NCAA.
The opposite side of the argument comes from those astronomical bodies that are in the Kuiper Belt, and a few major asteroids between Mars and Jupiter. These have been identified by the National Astronomical Investigative Association. The current debate has been prompted by the desire to call 2003 UB313 a planet. 2003 UB313, affectionately known as Xena, has stronger criteria to be defined as a planet in the NCAA than Pluto. Xena has a bigger, rounder shape than Pluto and has more gravity and a really neat orbit.
I guess that the real issue is emotional. If the NCAA lets in bodies such as Xena, then the NCAA just won't be the same as what the NCAC and other factions would like it to be. :)
Is there a way somehow for Pat to add like 50 karma points for that one? Just an absolutely ingenious, incredible waste of time, yet totally entertaining.
I went +10 on it. :)
Because I really appreciate a good satire.
Haha... this is why we love you Greg.
Venus and Mars are alreadly travelling partners... there's a book about it. :D I guess that leaves Earth with Mercury.
Quote from: diehardfan on August 18, 2006, 02:12:35 PM
Haha... this is why we love you Greg.
Is there some awesome post farther back that I missed or are you giving Ralph's credit to Sager? (Not that I would ever mix anyone up on here).
Quote from: diehardfan on August 18, 2006, 02:12:35 PM
Haha... this is why we love you Greg.
Venus and Mars are alreadly travelling partners... there's a book about it. :D I guess that leaves Earth with Mercury.
Actually, diehardfan's innocent eyes probably should not read any further, but the classic little diddy from the Renaissance went...
"A nighttime with Venus, a lifetime with Mercury."
Thanks for the karma, Pat! :)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2006, 03:43:42 PM
the classic little diddy from the Renaissance
And he knows, he was there.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2006, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on August 18, 2006, 02:12:35 PM
Haha... this is why we love you Greg.
Venus and Mars are alreadly travelling partners... there's a book about it. :D I guess that leaves Earth with Mercury.
Actually, diehardfan's innocent eyes probably should not read any further, but the classic little diddy from the Renaissance went...
"A nighttime with Venus, a lifetime with Mercury."
Actually, I've totally been blinded by my occasional peak at the LLPU board. :-\
I'm not sure if I understand this quote... cause Venus was female, and mercury was m... oh wow... :-X
As a physician who knows his medical history, Ralph is merely pointing out that mercury was at one time accepted as a curative for ... er, um ... what one might refer to as a "social disease" transmitted by close --very, very close -- socializing with the "wrong" sort of people, usually, though not always, of the opposite gender.
Considering that we're talking about an element that's under tight restrictions due to birth defects and other craziness... that's really... sad. :(
Very, very, close socializing... lol... what a great phrase. :D :-[
Quote from: diehardfan on August 18, 2006, 06:06:23 PM
Very, very, close socializing... lol... what a great phrase. :D :-[
Well, that was the nicest way I could put it .... :o
The Brits claimed the Frogs had it, and the Frogs claimed the Brits had it. Kind of like the OAC and the NCAC.
Quote from: frank uible on August 18, 2006, 07:26:58 PM
The Brits claimed the Frogs had it, and the Frogs claimed the Brits had it. Kind of like the OAC and the NCAC.
While the Brits called it the "French disease", I believe the French called it the "Italian disease" (and, if I recall correctly, the Germans called it the "Slavik disease"). Who gets blamed for which maladies could be quite a history lesson on international relations at various times!
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 20, 2006, 12:17:03 AM
Quote from: frank uible on August 18, 2006, 07:26:58 PM
The Brits claimed the Frogs had it, and the Frogs claimed the Brits had it. Kind of like the OAC and the NCAC.
While the Brits called it the "French disease", I believe the French called it the "Italian disease" (and, if I recall correctly, the Germans called it the "Slavik disease"). Who gets blamed for which maladies could be quite a history lesson on international relations at various times!
Around here we call it "the D1 disease". ;)
I'm not sure exactly which disease you're talking about, but I just read 1491, which, claiming some recent scholarship, reports that this disease may have been the price paid for the plundering of the "new world." Apparently some of Columbus' men had some not so fun results from their pillaging related activities. Although it in now way comes close to making up for all the attrocities, you'd think it gives the occasional native american pause for a wry smile now and then.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 21, 2006, 09:35:56 AM
I'm not sure exactly which disease you're talking about, but I just read 1491, which, claiming some recent scholarship, reports that this disease may have been the price paid for the plundering of the "new world." Apparently some of Columbus' men had some not so fun results from their pillaging related activities. Although it in now way comes close to making up for all the attrocities, you'd think it gives the occasional native american pause for a wry smile now and then.
I suppose ... but then the American Indian's kid gets measles or chicken pox, and he's reminded all over again that the Atlantic Ocean was a viral two-way street -- and his side of the street was the one where people got run over the most.
Well yes, but until I read this book, I was never aware that there was a two-way street. I was just glad that something got sent back across the Atlantic.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 22, 2006, 01:05:18 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 21, 2006, 09:35:56 AM
Although it in now way comes close to making up for all the attrocities, you'd think it gives the occasional native american pause for a wry smile now and then.
I suppose ... but then the American Indian's kid gets measles or chicken pox, and he's reminded all over again that the Atlantic Ocean was a viral two-way street -- and his side of the street was the one where people got run over the most.
And there's the fact that the white people weren't given intentionally infected blankets. >:(
Although it's not really my place to say this, I really don't think it's very likely that the average Native American would find any enjoyment out of something that vindictive. And though the individual stories of the relatively unknown, smaller tribes I work with out here in Cali constantly make me weep, I don't feel any pleasure in knowing that either. Let's face it, diseases know no boundaries... and they almost always affect innocent people! It doesn't make me happy that people in Europe were infected with a disease! The only things that make me smile in this genre of conversation is when I run across the occasional stories of white people who actually did something good.
Incidentally, regarding Columbus and Native Americans, my mom recently asked if she could come out to visit me for Columbus Day weekend... my response... uhm, I work for Native American tribes, I'm pretty sure we WE DON'T CELEBRATE THAT HOLIDAY! :D
Quote from: diehardfan on August 22, 2006, 11:17:48 PMAnd there's the fact that the white people weren't given intentionally infected blankets. >:(
A lot more heat than light has been spread by that infected-blankets story. There is documented evidence that it happened
once -- in 1763, during the French & Indian War. The infamous Lord Jeffrey Amherst, military commander in Britain's American colonies, openly contemplated using the tactic against France's American Indian allies, but never actually implemented it. However, infected blankets were apparently distributed at Fort Pitt (modern-day Pittsburgh) by his subordinate, Captain Ecuyer (the fort's commander) without Amherst's knowledge. Amherst was a pretty disreputable character, but in this case he's usually accused of something that he never actually did.
Most people focus their accusation of whites infecting American Indians with smallpox via blankets upon the epidemic of 1837 that all but wiped out the Mandan tribe in present-day North Dakota. That genocidal charge has largely been the work of the notorious Ward Churchill. But scholars have thoroughly debunked the story that the spread of the smallpox epidemic among the Mandans was a deliberate attempt by whites to wipe them out. In fact, the opposite is true; the white traders in Mandan country (contra Churchill's assertion, there were no U.S. Army forces in the area at the time), all of whom had American Indian wives and children, did their best to quarantine the trading post and halt the spread of the epidemic. Furthermore, Congress had passed a law five years earlier that called for the inoculation of American Indians along the Mississippi and Missouri River trading routes -- hardly the act of a government that was supposedly seeking to wipe out the Plains tribes through viral warfare.
Whites did some pretty brutal things to the American Indians on the frontier -- and were in turn the victims of a lot of brutality at the hands of the border tribes -- but employing infected blankets as a means of genocide, aside from that one incident at Fort Pitt in 1763, wasn't one of them.
Wow, you make one little joke about Siphilis and it errupts into an all out debate on the history of genocide (intentional or otherwise) in North America. You won't find that on the SEC football message boards, that's for sure.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 23, 2006, 09:14:51 AM
Wow, you make one little joke about Siphilis and it errupts into an all out debate on the history of genocide (intentional or otherwise) in North America. You won't find that on the SEC football message boards, that's for sure.
That's simply because some posters herein are the intellectual equivalents of Robin Williams (who can go off on a lengthy comic riff when given, say, a rock or a toothbrush). They pick up a thread, follow it, and add more threads ... until a virtual
scholarly mini-monograph results.
Per the SEC, and most D1, posters: they're likely more concerned with speculating on how many athletes will end up in police lineups .... ;)
Quote from: Warren Thompson on August 23, 2006, 09:34:12 AM
Per the SEC, and most D1, posters: they're likely more concerned with speculating on how many athletes will end up in police lineups ....
No, I said, SEC, not Cincinnati Bengals.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on August 23, 2006, 10:05:51 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on August 23, 2006, 09:34:12 AM
Per the SEC, and most D1, posters: they're likely more concerned with speculating on how many athletes will end up in police lineups ....
No, I said, SEC, not Cincinnati Bengals.
Or, for those of us more into bball, the Portland Jailblazers. ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2006, 12:53:48 AM
The infamous Lord Jeffrey Amherst, military commander in Britain's American colonies, openly contemplated using the tactic against France's American Indian allies, but never actually implemented it.
Defector.
Pat, a sophisticated d3 comment!
I was waiting for someone to pick up on that D3 connection. Gold star for Pat ... or should that be a purple star?
A star with purple and white on one side and purple and gold on the other.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2006, 10:52:40 AM
This "new planets debate" actually goes back to 1930 when the National Cosmological and Astronomical Association admitted Pluto as the ninth planet.
Over the next few decades, the National Cosmological Accreditation Commission began to object to Pluto's behavior. They cited the fact that Pluto's orbit was elliptical, which sometimes brought the planet inside Neptune's orbit. To you football fans, this is an infraction that is worse than "red-shirting". Basically, the NCAC is trying to restrict the definition of a planet to such criteria that effectively places a moratorium on admitting new planets to the Planetoid Division of the NCAA.
The opposite side of the argument comes from those astronomical bodies that are in the Kuiper Belt, and a few major asteroids between Mars and Jupiter. These have been identified by the National Astronomical Investigative Association. The current debate has been prompted by the desire to call 2003 UB313 a planet. 2003 UB313, affectionately known as Xena, has stronger criteria to be defined as a planet in the NCAA than Pluto. Xena has a bigger, rounder shape than Pluto and has more gravity and a really neat orbit.
I guess that the real issue is emotional. If the NCAA lets in bodies such as Xena, then the NCAA just won't be the same as what the NCAC and other factions would like it to be. :)
Pluto Demoted to "Dwarf Planet" Status (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14489259/?GT1=8404)
This action by the International Astronomical Union, in which only 5% of the world's astronomers voted, will be quite contentious. Pluto is currently getting its own unmanned probe, but whether Pluto will continue to recieve its own full share of research monies is uncertain at this time.
The advocates of the Big 8, (Mercury thru Neptune), say that Pluto had not fulfilled numerous requirements to be a planet of equal standing. They have relegated Pluto, Ceres and 2003UB313 to another classification that some observers say is pejorative as well as inaccurate in its appellation, i.e., "Dwarf Planet". There are already numerous other "dwarf planets" that have been assigned to this classification and hundreds more may be discovered.
The contentious vote was deplored because so few voted and the issue was not settled by using the option of electronic voting. The results of the balloting have not been released, but since the vote occurred in Prague, Czech Republic, it is not certain that a case will be appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States.
The issue whether this will impact "global warming" was not discussed.
The additional fallout from the vote on Pluto hits Cal Tech. The SCIAC member was the home to the team of scientists that discovered 2003UB313.
It was thought that the discovery of a real planet would have helped Cal Tech win something really big this year. The action by the fans of the "Big 8" seemingly excludes any future bodies in this solar system from being considered "real planets".
Nevertheless, Cal Tech team captain Mike Brown demonstrated the finest in "D3 sportmanship" when he "called the result scientifically a good decision".
In reading about the 'Big 8' booting out the 'dwarf', why did BCS pop into mind? ;)
Memo to all:
New official teminoology for someone booted out of a conference, division, whatever: they were "given a Pluto" (or "Plutoized"?) ;D
Barring a miracle sales campaign (now that their fraudulent attendance numbers have been uncovered), Eastern Michigan will be "given a Pluto" from d1A (their 'real' attendance last year was 2,706 behind St. John's).
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2006, 01:34:34 PMThe contentious vote was deplored because so few voted and the issue was not settled by using the option of electronic voting.
I had no idea that Rep. Cynthia McKinney was an astronomer.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 25, 2006, 12:35:19 AM
Memo to all:
New official teminoology for someone booted out of a conference, division, whatever: they were "given a Pluto" (or "Plutoized"?) ;D
Chuck, that's just plain Goofy. :D
If your girlfriend breaks up with you and just wants to be friends is it a Plutonic relationship?
Do these developments give new nuance to the word, "plutocrat"?
Quote from: frank uible on August 25, 2006, 07:12:10 AM
Do these developments give new nuance to the word, "plutocrat"?
This is one time when a Plutocrat couldn't buy his way into the big game.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 25, 2006, 04:55:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 25, 2006, 12:35:19 AM
Memo to all:
New official teminoology for someone booted out of a conference, division, whatever: they were "given a Pluto" (or "Plutoized"?) ;D
Chuck, that's just plain Goofy. :D
Beware the wrath of the Disney Corp - they once sued a Florida childcare facility for having stencils of Disney characters on their walls. You didn't attach the TM symbol to Goofy! ;D
Now that there are only 8 planets, it may be time for pairings (much like Santa's reindeer), though that may be too easy. Since Pluto is now a dwarf, what are the pairings with Snow White's other seven?! Pluto (as god of the underworld) would seem best fitted with Grumpy, but Pluto (as Disney character) seems more attuned to Happy. This ain't as easy as it looked! :(
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 27, 2006, 11:40:58 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 25, 2006, 04:55:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 25, 2006, 12:35:19 AM
Memo to all:
New official teminoology for someone booted out of a conference, division, whatever: they were "given a Pluto" (or "Plutoized"?) ;D
Chuck, that's just plain Goofy. :D
Beware the wrath of the Disney Corp - they once sued a Florida childcare facility for having stencils of Disney characters on their walls. You didn't attach the TM symbol to Goofy! ;D
Now that there are only 8 planets, it may be time for pairings (much like Santa's reindeer), though that may be too easy. Since Pluto is now a dwarf, what are the pairings with Snow White's other seven?! Pluto (as god of the underworld) would seem best fitted with Grumpy, but Pluto (as Disney character) seems more attuned to Happy. This ain't as easy as it looked! :(
Actually we are coming along nicely towards the full complement of Seven Dwarves...
Wikipedia "Dwarf Planets" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet#List_of_dwarf_planets)
Santa? Easterbunny? Xena?
Yeah, Ralph, you nailed me - by the decision there are AT LEAST 3 more dwarfs besides Pluto (perhaps MANY more), but humor me! ;D
If it was just Snow White, and she had to line up the 8 dwarfs for her Santa sleigh (hoo-boy, I can see why this is getting off-the-wall real early!), what are the pairings?
I'd think Doc better go with Sneezy (unless his specialty is better attuned to Sleepy or Grumpy - or, for that matter, Happy [is he actually bi-polar, formerly known as manic-depressive?]! Geez, this a lot more complicated than I thought!
And I haven't even gotten to Sleazy, Slimey, and Ratty (oh, wait! those are only Snow White's dwarves in certain R-rated dimensions).
http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070510/SPORTS/705100389/1007/SPORTS
Hyperlink to the Daily Dose Archives on the Mid-Atlantic Shuffle (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/category/mid-atlantic-shuffle/).
Maybe with the Empire eight opening up the shuffle will begin anew???
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 05, 2008, 05:27:19 PM
Maybe with the Empire eight opening up the shuffle will begin anew???
Empire 8 (http://www.empire8.com/News/20080305-1.shtml)
+1! Thanks for prompting me to check for news releases. I missed it this morning.
My first impression is that this allows Norwich to move to the NAC without consequences to the E8.
The Empire 8 maintains its AQ with the logical D-III opponents to maintain its appeal to the fans. They saw how a quality conference champion, Whitworth, got aced out of Pool C bid as a Pool B team. (Did the E8 get that bid over Whitworth? Others may disagree, but I think so.)
How many random posts do we have from upstate New York fans longing for the creation of a New York Super-conference?
The E8 is down to 6 teams. They need one for the AQ. They can add up to 5 teams if they wanted, but opening the affiliate status to a Cortland State, a Brockport State, a Buffalo State and even a Morrisville State allows the conference to achieve the goals mentioned below. Accepting these four schools takes the pressure off the SUNYAC to consider going for the AQ (and finding affiliates for its four member schools).
Here is the pull quote.
Quote"The Empire 8 is one of the premier Division III athletic conferences in America," said Dr. Charles Edmondson, Empire 8 and Alfred University President. "By potentially expanding our football affiliates, we will be able to sustain that status, enhance the quality of competition, and contain the costs of long-distance travel."
The shuffle is amenable to the NJAC schools who now can accept the ACFC schools who apply. The NJAC can preserve its AQ. Wesley DE gets a home! I expect that Wesley, FSU and Salisbury will be admitted into the NJAC. Western Connecticut may be freed to move back to a New England conference now, if budgetary considerations warrant the move. This also takes some of the pressure off the Capital AC to become a football conference, if Wesley and Salisbury join the NJAC.
Norwich's movement from the E8 into the NAC for football is covered. Norwich may be more successful in that conference, altho' the NAC is a long, long way from an AQ!!! Pool B just got smaller.
This Texan now applauds the improvement in East Region football!!! :D ;D
Please accept the facetious braggadocio, because I think that this really strengthens D3 football!
It is all about financial considerations! AQ's around!
Hooray for the E8!!!
I look forward to Pat Coleman's or K-Mack's analysis, too.
Comments are greatly appreciated!
Certainly makes sense, but how quickly will BPort, Morrisville etal jump conferences again? And how willing are C of N.J. and Rowan to bring Wesley into their recruiting areas? Wesley does recruit fairly well in S Jersey already but it could also open up some areas because of Welsey's success of late due to more press coverage in N.J.
These are just out of the box ideas.
+ 1 Ralph
Good thoughts as usual
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 05, 2008, 06:27:40 PM
Certainly makes sense, but how quickly will BPort, Morrisville etal jump conferences again? And how willing are C of N.J. and Rowan to bring Wesley into their recruiting areas? Wesley does recruit fairly well in S Jersey already but it could also open up some areas because of Welsey's success of late due to more press coverage in N.J.
These are just out of the box ideas.
The ACFC needs to hold together and go in as a four-team block.
A six-team NJAC has five non-conference dates to fill. Two to three of those dates are when the other conferences are playing conference games!
In terms of the "Future of D-III issues" there was very little difference between the two conferences* in terms of the issues as interpreted by the authors of the May 31, 2007 working (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/governance/division_III/Working_Group_Membership_Issues/May_31/agenda.htm) document. (Please see page 159 and 160.)
*Clarification -- E8 and SUNYAC
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 06:11:17 PMThe E8 is down to 6 teams. They need one for the AQ. They can add up to 5 teams if they wanted, but opening the affiliate status to a Cortland State, a Brockport State, a Buffalo State and even a Morrisville State allows the conference to achieve the goals mentioned below.
Adding Cortland State to the E8 would also turn the annual Cortaca Cup game (Cortland State vs. Ithaca) into a conference game, making that long-standing rivalry of Southern Tier neighbors even better. I've always said that the one thing missing from the Monon Bell rivalry is the fact that Wabash and DePauw are not in the same league.
Wabash and DePauw were in the same conference for many years - first with the old ICC and then with the ICAC.
But yeah, now Wittenberg is almost (almost) public enemy 1A in the eyes of Wabash.
If the NY teams left the NJAC for the E-8 and the ACFC teams were accepted into the NJAC I could see some good new rivalries . I really don't think Wesley would hurt Rowans or TCNJ's recruiting much. TCNJ pulls from most of the state as does Rowan. I believe that the longest road trip for a conference game in the NJAC would not be more than 3.5 to 4 hours and that would be for William Paterson, Montclair and Kean travelling to Salisbury or Frostburg.
Possibly the E-8 and NJAC could enter an agreement with each other for OOC games.
Quote from: Knightstalker on March 06, 2008, 10:12:23 AM
... I believe that the longest road trip for a conference game in the NJAC would not be more than 3.5 to 4 hours and that would be for William Paterson, Montclair and Kean travelling to Salisbury or Frostburg.
Possibly the E-8 and NJAC could enter an agreement with each other for OOC games.
I am curious as to whom else those three teams would get to schedule for the 9th and 10th games of the season that was within 4 hours away?
Thanks.
Ralph, those times were my worst case times. There are several MAC teams that are within a much shorter drive time.
Quote from: Knightstalker on March 06, 2008, 12:30:36 PM
Ralph, those times were my worst case times. There are several MAC teams that are within a much shorter drive time.
Then that may work out great! All of the conferences around the NJAC have 8 and 9 members. When those conference start conference play, all of their dates are scheduled with conference games. It is hard to fill the 15 open dates that arise in week #3, 4 or 5 because you are not starting your conference play until week #6.
The WIAC has this trouble. The ASC has this trouble. The west coast teams have this trouble, and the SCIAC only plays a 9- game schedule!
William Paterson and Kean usually don't have problems with OOC games. Rowan, TCNJ and Montclair tend to have problems because many teams do not want to play them, why play a potential NCAA playoff caliber team when you can schedule a cupcake.
Wm Pat and Kean would have to haul some serious butt to make it the 300+ miles to Frostburg in four hours.
Quote from: sunny on March 06, 2008, 09:21:02 PM
Wm Pat and Kean would have to haul some serious butt to make it the 300+ miles to Frostburg in four hours.
Willy Pat to Frostburg is about 5:15 and 314 miles.
Willy Pat to Salisbury is about 4:20 and 220 miles.
Ralph
They just dropped the speed limit on the Jersey pike to 55. May have to add that into the equation :D
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 06, 2008, 10:00:46 PM
They just dropped the speed limit on the Jersey pike to 55. May have to add that into the equation
Since when has anyone between Boston and DC cared about the speed limit?
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 06, 2008, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 06, 2008, 10:00:46 PM
They just dropped the speed limit on the Jersey pike to 55. May have to add that into the equation
Since when has anyone between Boston and DC cared about the speed limit?
I have seen some nasty speed traps in Jersey in my day.. ;D
I grew up less than an hour from both schools, it used to take me about 2 to 2.5 hours to get to Salisbury from my parents house on my drive back to Norfolk VA. That is what I was basing my driving times on. For Kean it would be smart to take the turnpike to the Del Mem bridge. From WPU it would be better to take 23 to 287 to 295 down to the Del Mem bridge. If they took the turnpike it would add about 45 minutes.
Frostburg St. is a long drive. I would estimate close to at least 6 hrfs from North Jersey
Not much worse than Bport or Buff State for Rowan or TCNJ.
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 06, 2008, 10:00:46 PM
They just dropped the speed limit on the Jersey pike to 55. May have to add that into the equation :D
And will give you a $100.00 fine in caught talking or typing messages on your cell phone.. That could erase the above negative speed equations and make it a wash.
Quote from: old ends on March 06, 2008, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 06, 2008, 10:00:46 PM
They just dropped the speed limit on the Jersey pike to 55. May have to add that into the equation :D
And will give you a $100.00 fine in caught talking or typing messages on your cell phone.. That could erase the above negative speed equations and make it a wash.
Where the Speed limit is 55 it just means everyone goes 75 instead of 85.
NCAA story on the UMAC (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/newsdetail?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2008/Division+III/Borchardt+picked+to+lead+UMAC+into+active+membership+-+04-09-08+NCAA+News) as a full member new conference.
Anticipate AQ in Fall 2010 in soccer, volleyball and hoops.
Iowa Conference Expansion (http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=5B87A1C5-5056-B82A-3711FC44EB0D970A)
Thanks to Alfredeneumann on the IIAC Football board for this note.
No names mentioned, just the desire to expand to an even number of schools. Here is the content of the URL above just in case the URL is deleted. :-\
QuoteRadio Iowa Sports
Iowa Conference exploring expansion
Monday, February 9, 2009, 8:53 AM
By Todd Kimm
The commissioner of the Iowa Conference says the league is looking at the possibility of expanding. The conference has had nine members since Upper Iowa announced in 2003 that is was leaving to join the division two ranks.
Commissioner Chuck Yrigoyen says they'd like to be at an even number for scheduling purposes, and he says they've been discussing the issue to see what they can do.
Yrigoyen says any new member to the conference would need to be the right fit. He says they are fortunate to be a strong group academically, and they want to be sure that any new addition to the league would also have to be strong academically.
Waldorf, maybe? It only has 500-something students, but it has D3's requisite ten sports already (which is fairly unusual for a small NAIA school), plus it has football -- a mandatory sport as far as the IIAC is concerned.
It's also located in the north-central part of the state, which makes it a reasonable drive for the Luther/Coe/Wartburg triad to the east, Buena Vista to the west, and Central and Simpson to the south.
William Jewell (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=45268) to D-II.
I'm pretty sure Grinnell would join the IIAC at the drop of a hat if invited, but the IIAC has spurned them so many times I don't think that will happen.
Quote from: Just Bill on February 10, 2009, 01:14:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Grinnell would join the IIAC at the drop of a hat if invited, but the IIAC has spurned them so many times I don't think that will happen.
Why has Grinnell been "spurned" by the IIAC?
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2009, 12:42:41 PM
Waldorf, maybe? It only has 500-something students, but it has D3's requisite ten sports already (which is fairly unusual for a small NAIA school), plus it has football -- a mandatory sport as far as the IIAC is concerned.
It's also located in the north-central part of the state, which makes it a reasonable drive for the Luther/Coe/Wartburg triad to the east, Buena Vista to the west, and Central and Simpson to the south.
Waldorf is another Lutheran venue that in recent years became a four-year institution, along with all those Missouri Synod Concordias. (QUESTION: are there
any Lutheran two-year colleges still in operation?)
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 10, 2009, 05:18:57 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 10, 2009, 01:14:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Grinnell would join the IIAC at the drop of a hat if invited, but the IIAC has spurned them so many times I don't think that will happen.
Why has Grinnell been "spurned" by the IIAC?
You'd have to ask the IIAC, but Grinnell has applied for admission at least twice in the last 8 years and been turned down. One time the official reason was they had an even number of teams and didn't want to make an odd number. I don't kow the reason on the other one. The only thing I've ever heard from anyone from the IIAC is that Grinnell "doesn't fit" with the other IIAC teams, whatever that means.
Quote from: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 10, 2009, 05:18:57 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 10, 2009, 01:14:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Grinnell would join the IIAC at the drop of a hat if invited, but the IIAC has spurned them so many times I don't think that will happen.
Why has Grinnell been "spurned" by the IIAC?
You'd have to ask the IIAC, but Grinnell has applied for admission at least twice in the last 8 years and been turned down. One time the official reason was they had an even number of teams and didn't want to make an odd number. I don't kow the reason on the other one. The only thing I've ever heard from anyone from the IIAC is that Grinnell "doesn't fit" with the other IIAC teams, whatever that means.
Wow!!! That surprises me. Does the IIAC sponsor a sport or two that Grinnnell does not wish to add?
My guess would be wrestling. Every school in the IIAC has it and Grinnell doesn't.
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on February 11, 2009, 12:54:42 PM
My guess would be wrestling. Every school in the IIAC has it and Grinnell doesn't.
Then that could be the deal-breaker.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2009, 02:08:59 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on February 11, 2009, 12:54:42 PM
My guess would be wrestling. Every school in the IIAC has it and Grinnell doesn't.
Then that could be the deal-breaker.
Wouldn't surprise me. After all, it's Iowa.
Quote from: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 10, 2009, 05:18:57 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 10, 2009, 01:14:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Grinnell would join the IIAC at the drop of a hat if invited, but the IIAC has spurned them so many times I don't think that will happen.
Why has Grinnell been "spurned" by the IIAC?
The only thing I've ever heard from anyone from the IIAC is that Grinnell "doesn't fit" with the other IIAC teams, whatever that means.
"Grinnell 'doesn't fit'"? Sufferin' Pete, then it's just gotta be because of their men's basketball high-scoring proclivities. Or is this venue seen as some sort of "diploma mill"?
Actually, I think having all 18 IIAC sports is a requirement for IIAC membership.
I just looked up the IIAC's Constitution. Pat's pretty close to being right. You don't need to sponsor swimming but you have to sponsor the other 19 sports (M&W Basketball, Baseball, Softball, Football, Volleyball, M&W Soccer, M&W Golf, M&W Tennis, M&W Cross Country, M&W Indoor Track, M&W Outdoor Track, and Wrestling). Grinnell would have to add wrestling to be considered.
Interestingly, this conversation has also been occurring on the IIAC football board (with no overlap of postings). They quibbled over whether IIAC spurned Grinnell or vice versa, but finally agreed that Grinnell refusing to add wrestling was the deal-breaker.
Since even after the financial meltdown, Grinnell probably has an endowment several times as large as any other IIAC school, wrestling (with virtually no costs beyond coaching and transportation; and I'd bet the transportation savings of IIAC vs. MWC would more than cover that) seems a strange place for a deal-breaker - I wonder if we'll ever know the real story. ???
[My hunch is that Grinnell feels set apart from Iowa schools, and would rather affiliate with Lawrence, etc., but just a hunch.]
The Midwest Conference in general is at a crossroads. I know St. Norbert is not happy and has quietly explored other options. Lawrence, Beloit and Ripon are in some tough financial situations. LU just suspended the wrestling program for a year, and there's talk other sports could be on the block. BC had to lay off 35 staff members in mid-year.
If the MWC is too geographically dispersed, are the mission/vision issues considerations of the respective institutions compatible with the SLIAC or the NATHC or the IIAC?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 07:59:06 PM
If the MWC is too geographically dispersed, are the mission/vision issues considerations of the respective institutions compatible with the SLIAC or the NATHC or the IIAC?
None of the four MWC schools mentioned are within easy reach of the SLIAC schools, and that conference is generally thought of as much more downmarket in terms of financial, academic, and athletic status for the likes of St. Norbert, Lawrence, Grinnell, and Beloit. So is the NAthCon, but at least that conference is geographically proximate for three of those four schools (excepting Grinnell), and Beloit wouldn't stand out athletically in the NAthCon (Lawrence might, and St. Norbert definitely would). One of the "other options" Bill mentioned that St. Norbert is exploring is the CCIW, but that conference isn't looking to expand. St. Norbert is one of the top across-the-board MWC schools in athletics every year, and my guess is that SNC would like to enhance its athletic profile by joining a less regulationally-restrictive league.
I tend to agree with Chuck about Grinnell. It can't be a simple refusal to establish a wrestling program that's holding Grinnell back from IIAC membership. Given the ridiculous travel distances that Grinnell has to endure for MWC membership, and how much that would be reduced by moving to the IIAC, it has to be a matter of institutional affinity that's keeping Grinnell in the MWC.
You hit it on the head Greg. SNC is tired of the MWC's tired old "we can prove our schools are better academically by restricting athletics" policies.
I believe that both Carroll and SNC have talked to the CCIW, but as Greg said, the CCIW isn't interested. I believe Knox and Monmouth would seriously look at the SLIAC if that option was on the table, but that won't exactly trim their travel times much.
Beloit, Ripon and Lawrence would all be viable NathCon candidates, but the league already has 13/12 schools. You could say maybe they should take the extras and split into two, but the NathCon is just getting it's feet under it. With all the work of merging two leagues together just barely in the rear view, it doesn't seem likely those schools will be interested in splitting it all up again.
Well, the NATHC has that (euphemistically) "unique" manner of rotating the schools that shall be in the north and the south divisions.
I don't think that all of the kinks are worked out the new NATHC.
Talking about new conferences, how about this one! (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=45462)
::)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 11:48:15 PM
Talking about new conferences, how about this one! (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=45462)
::)
Compared to them, the UAA teams are all next-door neighbors!
It's the "we don't have a conference" conference!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 11:48:15 PM
Talking about new conferences, how about this one! (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=45462)
::)
Interesting concept, but it does raise one question that may be relevant only to me.
I just read the linked article and have done no further research (and presumably the NCAA proofs their own releases), but isn't it likely that it's South Carolina State that is joining the Great West. Like Delaware State and Howard they're a predominantly African-American school and a member of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, but the MEAC doesn't have women's soccer so those schools would need a home if they offer the sport.
As I said, I haven't done any research but I can't believe that the SEC, to which the University of South Carolina belongs, doesn't contest soccer for women.
It has to be South Carolina State.
South Carolina is bloody serious about soccer. They have spring women's soccer like spring football.
South Carolina State's team has a roster of 12.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 11:48:15 PM
Talking about new conferences, how about this one! (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=45462)
::)
Here's another one that the University of Dallas has a relationship with.
Quote5 UD Sports Become Associate Members of NEAC
Starting this fall men's soccer, men's golf, and men's and women's cross country will become associate members of the North Eastern Athletic Conference for a two year period. Men's and women's basketball will also become associate members this year. Volleyball will become an associate member next season. Although these University of Dallas sports will not compete against NEAC member schools during the regular season, UD athletic teams will participate in NEAC conference tournaments and be in a position to secure an automatic NCAA tournament bid. All conference tournaments will be hosted at predetermined locations to help minimize travel problems, and to reduce missed class.
The NEAC "was re-formed in 2004 by 12 formerly independent schools who wanted to belong to a conference joined forces." Since then the membership has fluctuated and now contains the University of Dallas on an associate basis. The conference is very diverse in its membership and contains 2 public schools, 9 private schools, several of whom have religious affiliations.
Other NEAC members include: Cazenovia College, D'Youville College, Keuka College, Penn State University-Berks, Penn State University-Harrisburg, Wells College, Wilson College, SUNY Cobleskill, and SUNY Tech.
SUNY-Morrisville to the NEAC (http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,16513/ThisWeekinSUNYAC.html)
From the USCHO website...
Pull quotes...
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"We were not formally in the SUNYAC until we were full NCAA members," Morrisville Athletic Director Greg Carroll said. "We went to them three years ago to allow us to be a scheduling partner during the [NCAA] provisional period. We were moving towards membership.
"It was a great opportunity and experience for us. Over the course of the last three years, the landscape of the conferences changed. It afforded us an opportunity to assess where we wanted to be. It allowed us to look at other conferences. We decided to apply to the NEAC [North Eastern Athletic Conference] ."
Thus, Morrisville notified the SUNYAC a few months ago they were going to follow the path taken by SUNYIT the year before. The Mustangs, like SUNYIT, were struggling to compete with the more established, larger, and better funded SUNYAC schools. ...
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There's just one problem. Well four problems. What about the sports that the NEAC does not sponsor — football, wrestling, field hockey, and ice hockey?
Football and wrestling are not sponsored by the SUNYAC either, so they already were in other conferences, the New Jersey Athletic Conference and an independent, respectively.
So, where does that leave field and ice hockey? Especially since the SUNYAC by-laws have always stated it's all or nothing when it comes to SUNYAC membership?
"We're in the process to allow specific sports as associate members," SUNYAC commissioner Dr. Patrick R. Damore said. "They must be part of the SUNY system. The decision to allow this has been passed, just not the specifics. I think it's good. Where they can help the conference, it will receive consideration."
And therein lies an interesting motivation. Morrisville represents the magical seventh member in field hockey, providing the SUNYAC an automatic bid into the NCAA playoffs. The other field hockey playing schools didn't want to lose Morrisville.
As for ice hockey, they had no place to go. They could have considered the ECAC West, which ironically would have given that league the all important seventh member. However, Morrisville could have found itself in the situation Lebanon Valley is struggling with.
"Coach Grady and I did have that conversation whether we wanted to explore the ECAC instead of the SUNYAC," Carroll said. "We're a better fit in the SUNYAC. We're a state school. Geographically, it works better. The competition has been good for us. And they've been very good to us."
"I was hired under the assumption we are going to be a SUNYAC team, and that's what I tell our recruits," Grady said. "We haven't wavered from that. We're proud we can compete in the SUNYAC. We're excited about becoming an auxiliary member and representing our school in the SUNYAC."
"In hockey, they are good members and all the coaches get along, so they welcome it," Damore said.
"Hockey is very unique [in the SUNYAC] ," Plattsburgh coach Bob Emery said. "They're a welcomed addition by all hockey coaches in the league. Their coach is working hard, and they will be improving."
Thus, Morrisville will be applying for associate member status in the SUNYAC for field and ice hockey as soon as the specific wording is worked out in the by-laws. ...
Sounds like a win-win-win.
Does Morrisville "stay" in the NJAC for football?
We're in the process to allow specific sports as associate members?
Football in the SUNYAC...
1) Brockport
2) Buffalo
3) Cortland
4) Maritime
5) Morrisville...
One shy of the Core-4 members and two shy of the AQ, if those two newer programs wanted to join.
Since several of us have posted conference re-alignments on this board, I will post this news release here.
Buffalo State (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2010/division+iii/buffalo+state+football+moving+to+empire+8+in+2012+-+01-11-10+ncaa+news) is going to the Empire 8 as a football affiliate in 2012.
Dropping from 10 to 9 gives some flexiblility to the NJAC, and it saves on travel budgets.
Will Brockport State follow?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2010, 04:10:32 PM
Since several of us have posted conference re-alignments on this board, I will post this news release here.
Buffalo State (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2010/division+iii/buffalo+state+football+moving+to+empire+8+in+2012+-+01-11-10+ncaa+news) is going to the Empire 8 as a football affiliate in 2012.
Dropping from 10 to 9 gives some flexiblility to the NJAC, and it saves on travel budgets.
But doesn't it create scheduling headaches? The odd-team-out every week might have a hard time finding an opponent if there's no indies available.
I guess that rules out Wesley getting an invite the E8 and if the E8 gets any larger I wonder how that will effect the CAC teams ie. Salisbury St. and Frostburg St. commitment to play the CAC schools Wesley and Stevenson.
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on January 11, 2010, 04:43:43 PM
I guess that rules out Wesley getting an invite the E8 and if the E8 gets any larger I wonder how that will effect the CAC teams ie. Salisbury St. and Frostburg St. commitment to play the CAC schools Wesley and Stevenson.
The good thing about the odd-number of teams in the E8 is that it gives mid-season open dates.
Now the question is whether whether a team would rather play Stevenson or Wesley with that open date.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 11, 2010, 04:27:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2010, 04:10:32 PM
Since several of us have posted conference re-alignments on this board, I will post this news release here.
Buffalo State (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2010/division+iii/buffalo+state+football+moving+to+empire+8+in+2012+-+01-11-10+ncaa+news) is going to the Empire 8 as a football affiliate in 2012.
Dropping from 10 to 9 gives some flexiblility to the NJAC, and it saves on travel budgets.
But doesn't it create scheduling headaches? The odd-team-out every week might have a hard time finding an opponent if there's no indies available.
It does provide an open date to be filled by either Stevenson or Wesley. :)
Chapman serves the same function for the 7-member SCIAC.
They wouldn't be in region games for Wesley and it would be a bit awkward to play teams who are keeping you out of a conference
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on January 13, 2010, 05:19:31 PM
They wouldn't be in region games for Wesley and it would be a bit awkward to play teams who are keeping you out of a conference
New Jersey and Connecticut games, and non-South Region teams within a 200-mile radius are in-region.
As for keeping you out of their conference, I would not consider the fact that Wesley wants the unlimited rosters and the NJAC has a 100-athlete rule as "keeping them out". That just seems to be a legitimate difference of opinion, agreeing to disagree.
If there are reasons such as recruiting issues, then I can see your point.
A nine-team conference will have open-dates from the third week onward. Just look at the open dates for 2010 and 2011. I am sure that something will be worked out. :)
Copy and pasted from the Commonwealth Coast Conference board...
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2010, 11:04:25 PM
Sports sponsored by the current members of TCCC. Football is not sponsored by the TCCC. Seven (7) members, including 4 full members, must offer a sport to earn the AQ. The conference must have 7 full members offering 5 men's and 5 women's sports including 3 team sports, and one sport in each season.
| New Conf School | WBB | WXC | FH | WLax | WSoc | SB | WTen | WVB | BB | MBB | MXC | MLax | MSoc | MTen | MGolf | FB |
| Curry | + | No | No | + | + | + | + | 2010 | + | + | No | + | + | + | No | + |
| Endicott | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + |
| Gordon | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | No | No |
| Nichols | + | No | + | + | + | + | + | No | + | + | No | + | + | + | + | + |
| Roger Wms | + | + | No | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | No | No |
| Salve Regina | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | No | + |
| UNE | + | + | + | + | + | + | No | + | No | + | + | + | + | No | + | No |
| Wentworth | + | No | No | No | + | + | + | + | + | + | No | + | + | + | + | No |
| WNE | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + |
| New Conf | 9 | 6 | 6 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 9 | 6 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 5 | 5 |
| TCCC School | WBB | WXC | FH | WLax | WSoc | SB | WTen | WVB | BB | MBB | MXC | MLax | MSoc | MTen | MGolf | FB |
| Anna Marie | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | + |
| Colby-Sawyer | + | + | 2010 | + | + | No | + | + | + | + | No | No | + | + | No | No |
| E. Naz | + | + | No | No | + | + | + | + | + | + | + | No | + | + | No | No |
| NEC | + | No | + | + | + | + | No | No | + | + | + | + | + | No | No | No |
| Regis | + | No | + | + | + | + | + | + | No | + | No | + | + | + | No | No |
| TCCC | 5 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 1 |
Corrections are appreciated.
Thanks to Hoops Fan for proofreading the table, and thanks to Bill Gorman for the information.